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Taiwan, which has largely avoided Chinese virus troubles by not trusting the Chinese, has one of the world’s few pro sports leagues in operation.

Five basketball teams are playing for the TV cameras in one rec center with no fans.

A rule appears to be that only one African-American player is allowed to jump at a time, and nobody else is allowed to leave the floor.

 
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  1. They are jumping. You just can’t tell.

  2. The NBA is *huge* in the PRC. Don’t ask me why.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Jimmer Fredette dominates the CBA, leading the league with almost 40 ppg for the Shanghai Sharks. He scored 75 pts. in one game.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5ya7xV4VEA
    , @Erik Sieven
    People like to play basketball in their free time, so they like to watch professional basketball, too.
    , @Clyde

    The NBA is *huge* in the PRC. Don’t ask me why.
     
    Because blacks and their b-ball prowess are still exotic to the Chinese. Boring to you and me. Exciting to the Joe Six Pack Chinaman.
    , @eastkekiisawhiteguy
    who the hell wants to watch a bunch of unathletic stifss that are popular in the states Football, baseball, hockey , soccer ,gay white UFC I really hope UFC tanks In China.Basketball players are the best athletes and blacks respect the the chinese a lot so I'm not surprised us Chinese love bball.
  3. Ha!

    There are two people in the stands.

  4. So does Sweden. I don’t know if they’re playing though.

    • Replies: @danand

    "So does Sweden. I don’t know if they’re playing though."
     
    Redneck farmer, what's amazing is some of the players actually look like legacy Swedes:

    https://flic.kr/p/2iPgu1d


    BTW in Sweden a reported ~850 have died, so far, of the virus, ~10,000 have tested infected. Sweden's population is ~10,200,000. So to date 0.0083% of Swedes have passed as a result of the virus infection.

    In the USA a reported ~20,000 have died of the virus, ~510,000 have tested infected. The US population is ~ 330,000,000. To date 0.0066% of our people have succumbed in the US.

    Will a higher percentage of Swedes succumb in the end? Doesn't really much matter: this is only round one, Covid-19, the real fight will likely start when the world has to deal with SARS-CoV-3, SARS-CoV-4, SARS-CoV-5......
  5. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:

    This looks about the same as Japanese pro basketball. I once went to a Saitama Broncos game. The venue was about the size of a high school gym, not many spectator seats, but it did have a second floor gallery. There was one black guy per team. There were very few spectators, and everyone seemed to know one another. I wondered how the league stayed solvent.

  6. Sacramento County has GOLF, baby!

    Link:

    The William Land Park golf course in Sacramento is deemed “essential.”

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Justice, we had golf here in WNY but Cuomo modified his Executive Order and closed golf courses and boat launching ramps. Some guys are still going to hit the links as one owner said he is not chasing golfers off his course but the "course" is closed. The rules were simple, incuding no shared carts, leave the flag in the hole and a round still counted for your handicap. I read that Bethpage is still open and that is a State Course. So, two guys with a few clubs in a Sunday bag and a lone fisherman in his 14 foot aluminum boat, out catching perch, are as big a hazard as 200 people in a Walmart. And if you don't know, freshwater fishing in WNY is world class. Stay safe.
  7. In billion population China, the Chinese Basketball Association told foreign players to return last month in anticipation of resuming games this month in empty arenas. The foreign players had to undergo 14 days quarantine, but one or more may have tested positive for Covid-19 because the CBA season has now been postponed indefinitely.

    Stephan Marbury is now a coach in Beijing and has tested negative twice for the virus. His cousin, Daniel Turner, died from Covid-19. His cousin was the brother of former NBA player Sebastian Telfair. The cousins’ mother, also infected, has been placed into an induced coma. Instead of blaming China for killing his cousin, Marbury is going to purchase 10 million N95 face masks for New Yorkers for $2.75 each from Chinese suppliers.

    • Replies: @Kyle
    Stephon Marbury has learned not to bite the hand that feeds you. That’s interesting as far as I was aware he was still playing in china and dominating the league.
  8. @nebulafox
    The NBA is *huge* in the PRC. Don't ask me why.

    Jimmer Fredette dominates the CBA, leading the league with almost 40 ppg for the Shanghai Sharks. He scored 75 pts. in one game.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Jimmer is a real talent, but his talents don't fit well with the NBA. It's nice that he has another venue in which to show off.
    , @eastkekiisawhiteguy
    I hope fredeette messes up his achiles .
    , @Known Fact
    Sharks vs. Wu-Bats tonite baby and I've got a pair of ducats courtside!
  9. Judging from the pic, the one African doesn’t have to jump.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    He's 6'10 but the Indian who is, flat-footedly, defending him is 7'5".
  10. @Anon
    Jimmer Fredette dominates the CBA, leading the league with almost 40 ppg for the Shanghai Sharks. He scored 75 pts. in one game.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5ya7xV4VEA

    Jimmer is a real talent, but his talents don’t fit well with the NBA. It’s nice that he has another venue in which to show off.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yeah he was great in college. Great scorer. Real fun to watch.
    , @Morris Applebaum IV
    I've always felt that basketball would be way more exciting and skillful if there were height limits, perhaps 6'3" or 6'4", which is the 99th percentile. Why not at least create a "minor" league with this limitation?

    The median height in the NBA is about 6'7", which is the 99.955th percentile. Basketball fans are basically selecting for height + some mostly non-exceptional level of skill & athleticism.

  11. @nebulafox
    The NBA is *huge* in the PRC. Don't ask me why.

    People like to play basketball in their free time, so they like to watch professional basketball, too.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Basketball is a fine game.
  12. @Steve Sailer
    Jimmer is a real talent, but his talents don't fit well with the NBA. It's nice that he has another venue in which to show off.

    Yeah he was great in college. Great scorer. Real fun to watch.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Jimmer apparently can't play defense at the NBA level, but, heck, James Harden doesn't play defense at the NBA level and he is an MVP. It's nice that the Chinese get to see an offensive genius play.
  13. @Steve Sailer
    Jimmer is a real talent, but his talents don't fit well with the NBA. It's nice that he has another venue in which to show off.

    I’ve always felt that basketball would be way more exciting and skillful if there were height limits, perhaps 6’3″ or 6’4″, which is the 99th percentile. Why not at least create a “minor” league with this limitation?

    The median height in the NBA is about 6’7″, which is the 99.955th percentile. Basketball fans are basically selecting for height + some mostly non-exceptional level of skill & athleticism.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    But the Jordans and LeBrons and Wilts are pretty awesome one in a hundred million figures.
    , @Trinity
    That wouldn't sell. A professional basketball league that had height limits would be a bust the same way when inferior leagues like the WFL and USFL tried to compete with the NFL. A 6'4" and under league might be a bigger draw than the WNBA which last time I checked couldn't draw flies. Not a big fan of basketball, always preferred football and baseball but you would have to have guys with the skills of 6'4" Walt Frazier and 6'3" Earl Monroe for a league of 6'4" and under to compete with the NBA, and those kind of players would opt to play in the BIG league because they could still dominate and make more money while proving the big boys don't bother them. Plenty of talent in the past were under 6'4", one guy was Calvin Murphy, all 5'9" of him, granted he played in the Seventies but still he was pretty damn short even by 1970's NBA standards. I mean where would it stop? A Kentucky Derby for jockeys who weigh between 130-140lbs? An NFL league for players who weigh under 250lbs? Weight classes for the Boston Marathon? Gazelle Weight Class would be limited to all runners under 130lbs, Quarter Horse Weight Class for all runners under 175lbs, and the Clydesdale Weight Class for all runners above 175lbs. Olympic Swimming? 6' 2" and over and 6' and under. It wouldn't stop.
    , @Muggles
    >>The median height in the NBA is about 6’7″, which is the 99.955th percentile. Basketball fans are basically selecting for height + some mostly non-exceptional level of skill & athleticism.<<

    Yes, nearly all players are exceptionally tall but you seem to be stuck in a pre 2020 mindset. As a Houston Rockets fan (and others, like pioneering Golden State) teams now are not reliant on giants who stand around the baseline to dunk or swat or box out the less giant guys. Or mid court stop and pop guys. Very old school.

    Centers as a role are becoming obsolete. Sure the forwards are normally larger, but the future is with three point sharpshootesr who can also penetrate like Jordan, or better. James Harden and Russell Westbrook on the Rockets are prime examples. The Rockets were playing nothing but "small ball" and traded away their tallish center Clint Capella because analytics showed they did better without the tall guy. Just three pointer forwards on the outside edges and 3 point shooters who are also fast penetraters hanging around the three point line. The new rules favor that.

    Most teams won't follow that of course, and the season was truncated this year so we won't know how well nothing but Small Ball actually works to the end. Golden State proved that taking a 3 is always better than a 2. The big guys are now needing to also be very fast and very accurate at distances. So ultimately Asian BB will prove even better than before. Not many Yao Mings there, but plenty of guys, given the populations, who can and will shoot and run like Harden.

    My prediction: half court violation rules will be changed and eventually, there will be a four point shot behind the half court line. It's a logical extension. That's the game by say, 2035

    , @anon
    The pro basketball league in the Philippines did or still does have a 6'5" height limit for foreign players (not much need for a limit for the locals). Basketball is wildly popular there, despite games being played in stifling hot, 105F arenas without aircon. Despite everyone being nuts about basketball there, their national team is not every competitive. You can't teach height. Several small (in population) European countries with 1/30th of the population of the Philippines, but plenty of athletic dudes 6'9" and up, could beat them by 50. It's the same reason there are no NFL linemen under 6' and 250 lbs, and no linebackers under 200 lbs.

    There was a height-limited minor pro league in the U.S. for a time as well. As someone has said, the NBA is chockful of stars 6'5" and under: Curry, Lillard, Irving, Kemba Walker, Paul, Harden, Westbrook, Trae Young, Ja Morant, Donovan Mitchell (Covid survivor, btw) and many others - who would never join such a league, because they can still dominate in a league of giants and make $30M/year. Obviously, to even make it to the NBA when you are tall-normal height (6' to 6'5"), you have to be unbelievably good.
  14. @nebulafox
    The NBA is *huge* in the PRC. Don't ask me why.

    The NBA is *huge* in the PRC. Don’t ask me why.

    Because blacks and their b-ball prowess are still exotic to the Chinese. Boring to you and me. Exciting to the Joe Six Pack Chinaman.

    • Replies: @B36
    Black basketball players may be "exotic" in China, but on the street black people are hated. Currently the rumor is that Africans brought coronavirus to China and black people are being expelled from hotels, apartments, restaurants, etc. For example see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nxNbQBaLow .
  15. Many of the smaller East Asian countries save money on basketball costs by cutting out the middleman: rather than fielding expensive pro teams, they simply import a quota of African immigrants to rape the local women and cause crime and social chaos wholesale.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  16. @Morris Applebaum IV
    I've always felt that basketball would be way more exciting and skillful if there were height limits, perhaps 6'3" or 6'4", which is the 99th percentile. Why not at least create a "minor" league with this limitation?

    The median height in the NBA is about 6'7", which is the 99.955th percentile. Basketball fans are basically selecting for height + some mostly non-exceptional level of skill & athleticism.

    But the Jordans and LeBrons and Wilts are pretty awesome one in a hundred million figures.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    But the Jordans and LeBrons and Wilts are pretty awesome one in a hundred million figures.
     
    Until you foul them. Wilt lived up to his name:


    https://www.noahbasketball.com/blog/the-worst-free-throw-shooters-in-nba-history
  17. @Anonymous
    Yeah he was great in college. Great scorer. Real fun to watch.

    Jimmer apparently can’t play defense at the NBA level, but, heck, James Harden doesn’t play defense at the NBA level and he is an MVP. It’s nice that the Chinese get to see an offensive genius play.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I hate to “well, actually,” but, well, actually the numbers say Harden is a slightly above-replacement (if below-average) defender. A comparison I find fitting is JJ Redick. He is probably the best player ever for Duke (in terms of his time there) and has built a decade+ long NBA career on nothing but spot-up 3pt shooting. He doesn’t drive, he doesn’t dish, he doesn’t defend. He just catches and shoots. Fredette (more athletic than Redick) could’ve had at least that good a career in my opinion. No one was willing to take a chance on him.
  18. @Erik Sieven
    People like to play basketball in their free time, so they like to watch professional basketball, too.

    Basketball is a fine game.

  19. @The Alarmist
    Judging from the pic, the one African doesn't have to jump.

    He’s 6’10 but the Indian who is, flat-footedly, defending him is 7’5″.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    I thought he was African, but in any case, he is slam-dunk tall.
  20. @Steve Sailer
    He's 6'10 but the Indian who is, flat-footedly, defending him is 7'5".

    I thought he was African, but in any case, he is slam-dunk tall.

  21. @Clyde

    The NBA is *huge* in the PRC. Don’t ask me why.
     
    Because blacks and their b-ball prowess are still exotic to the Chinese. Boring to you and me. Exciting to the Joe Six Pack Chinaman.

    Black basketball players may be “exotic” in China, but on the street black people are hated. Currently the rumor is that Africans brought coronavirus to China and black people are being expelled from hotels, apartments, restaurants, etc. For example see

    .

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Kim
    Also hated in Indonesia. I know a woman who went to Jakarta Imigrasi regarding visa issues for her husband, a US citizen. She was point blank asked if he was white American or black American. "white". Oh, that's alright then, so she got the paperwork that she wanted.
    , @eastkekiisawhiteguy
    Chinese like blacks better than whites, british descended small brains are despised the most so keep trying to make yourself beleive we like whites , nope
  22. @Justice Duvall

    Justice, we had golf here in WNY but Cuomo modified his Executive Order and closed golf courses and boat launching ramps. Some guys are still going to hit the links as one owner said he is not chasing golfers off his course but the “course” is closed. The rules were simple, incuding no shared carts, leave the flag in the hole and a round still counted for your handicap. I read that Bethpage is still open and that is a State Course. So, two guys with a few clubs in a Sunday bag and a lone fisherman in his 14 foot aluminum boat, out catching perch, are as big a hazard as 200 people in a Walmart. And if you don’t know, freshwater fishing in WNY is world class. Stay safe.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Some guys are still going to hit the links as one owner said he is not chasing golfers off his course but the “course” is closed.
     
    Oh, I bet there are plenty of newly-minted snitches inhabiting the condos lining the fairways.

    If not, I'm sure some bored NY State Police troopers will show up with drones and such. Highway patrols appear to be way down in response to the lower traffic volume. I guess there's not enough revenue to be made.
  23. This league in Taiwan is not attracting many foreign players, which may be part of the reason they were comfortable restarting games. There are only 8 Americans and a handful of players from other countries. It would be surprising if this drew big crowds in normal times.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Taiwan's Super Basketball League only has five teams. Asian countries want their native sons to be the majority of players.

    The Chinese Basketball Association has quotas on non-Asians, not foreigners, so Jeremy Lin's playing time is not limited.


    The Chinese Basketball Association (CBA) comprises of 20 teams from all over mainland China. From Xinjiang in the far North West, to Shenzhen in the South East. Each team is allowed a maximum of 2 non-Asian players in their squad, unless they finished in the bottom 5 the previous season, in which case they are allowed a third.

    To add further confusion to the rules regarding non- Asian players, teams are only allowed to play non- Asian players for a total of 6 quarters, and only one non- Asian player at a time in the 4th quarter. This means that if a player checks in at all in a quarter that counts as 1 quarter of playing time. Whilst these rules can get confusing, it means that the Chinese players are not crowded out of the league!
     

    https://pagodaprojects.com/chinese-basketball-association/
  24. @Buffalo Joe
    Justice, we had golf here in WNY but Cuomo modified his Executive Order and closed golf courses and boat launching ramps. Some guys are still going to hit the links as one owner said he is not chasing golfers off his course but the "course" is closed. The rules were simple, incuding no shared carts, leave the flag in the hole and a round still counted for your handicap. I read that Bethpage is still open and that is a State Course. So, two guys with a few clubs in a Sunday bag and a lone fisherman in his 14 foot aluminum boat, out catching perch, are as big a hazard as 200 people in a Walmart. And if you don't know, freshwater fishing in WNY is world class. Stay safe.

    Some guys are still going to hit the links as one owner said he is not chasing golfers off his course but the “course” is closed.

    Oh, I bet there are plenty of newly-minted snitches inhabiting the condos lining the fairways.

    If not, I’m sure some bored NY State Police troopers will show up with drones and such. Highway patrols appear to be way down in response to the lower traffic volume. I guess there’s not enough revenue to be made.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Howard, not too many courses in WNY are lined with condos, that is a vacation destination thing. But, yes it was snitches that ended the golfing. Too many duffers standing and sitting around in the parking lots downing beers. That's why we can't have nice things. Now, if you manage to launch your 14 foot aluminum skiff, with a 10 horse outboard, and you just want to catch some perch outside the Buffalo breakwall, does the Coast Guard stop you? And, a short tale. I was golfing on Myrtle Beach. The course was lined with nice houses. I sliced into a yard, just beyond the split rail fence. Leaning over, but not on the fence, I tried to drag the ball back to me. An irate man charged out of the house yelling...."Leave the ball there, just leave the effing ball there. I am so tired of you guys hitting golf balls into my yard!" I backed up, looked at the guy and said..."You know you built your house on a golf course. What did you think was going to land in your yard, footballs? Keep the ball you effing jerkoff!" Stay safe.
  25. @nebulafox
    The NBA is *huge* in the PRC. Don't ask me why.

    who the hell wants to watch a bunch of unathletic stifss that are popular in the states Football, baseball, hockey , soccer ,gay white UFC I really hope UFC tanks In China.Basketball players are the best athletes and blacks respect the the chinese a lot so I’m not surprised us Chinese love bball.

  26. @Anon
    Jimmer Fredette dominates the CBA, leading the league with almost 40 ppg for the Shanghai Sharks. He scored 75 pts. in one game.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5ya7xV4VEA

    I hope fredeette messes up his achiles .

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    east, Glad to see you posting here. There is an edit button, read what you wrote, correct your grammar and so glad you are visiting here, from where ever.
  27. @B36
    Black basketball players may be "exotic" in China, but on the street black people are hated. Currently the rumor is that Africans brought coronavirus to China and black people are being expelled from hotels, apartments, restaurants, etc. For example see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nxNbQBaLow .

    Also hated in Indonesia. I know a woman who went to Jakarta Imigrasi regarding visa issues for her husband, a US citizen. She was point blank asked if he was white American or black American. “white”. Oh, that’s alright then, so she got the paperwork that she wanted.

    • Thanks: Triumph104
  28. @Morris Applebaum IV
    I've always felt that basketball would be way more exciting and skillful if there were height limits, perhaps 6'3" or 6'4", which is the 99th percentile. Why not at least create a "minor" league with this limitation?

    The median height in the NBA is about 6'7", which is the 99.955th percentile. Basketball fans are basically selecting for height + some mostly non-exceptional level of skill & athleticism.

    That wouldn’t sell. A professional basketball league that had height limits would be a bust the same way when inferior leagues like the WFL and USFL tried to compete with the NFL. A 6’4″ and under league might be a bigger draw than the WNBA which last time I checked couldn’t draw flies. Not a big fan of basketball, always preferred football and baseball but you would have to have guys with the skills of 6’4″ Walt Frazier and 6’3″ Earl Monroe for a league of 6’4″ and under to compete with the NBA, and those kind of players would opt to play in the BIG league because they could still dominate and make more money while proving the big boys don’t bother them. Plenty of talent in the past were under 6’4″, one guy was Calvin Murphy, all 5’9″ of him, granted he played in the Seventies but still he was pretty damn short even by 1970’s NBA standards. I mean where would it stop? A Kentucky Derby for jockeys who weigh between 130-140lbs? An NFL league for players who weigh under 250lbs? Weight classes for the Boston Marathon? Gazelle Weight Class would be limited to all runners under 130lbs, Quarter Horse Weight Class for all runners under 175lbs, and the Clydesdale Weight Class for all runners above 175lbs. Olympic Swimming? 6′ 2″ and over and 6′ and under. It wouldn’t stop.

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
    Someone even might come up with the crazy idea of weight classes for boxers. Who would watch that?

    The point isn't to make things equal for 99.9+% of below NBA-average height, but to create a way more interesting game. I would rather watch the best shooters, passers, dribblers, and overall athletes. Others would like to look at super tall guys. To each his own.
  29. Anon[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Jimmer apparently can't play defense at the NBA level, but, heck, James Harden doesn't play defense at the NBA level and he is an MVP. It's nice that the Chinese get to see an offensive genius play.

    I hate to “well, actually,” but, well, actually the numbers say Harden is a slightly above-replacement (if below-average) defender. A comparison I find fitting is JJ Redick. He is probably the best player ever for Duke (in terms of his time there) and has built a decade+ long NBA career on nothing but spot-up 3pt shooting. He doesn’t drive, he doesn’t dish, he doesn’t defend. He just catches and shoots. Fredette (more athletic than Redick) could’ve had at least that good a career in my opinion. No one was willing to take a chance on him.

  30. @B36
    Black basketball players may be "exotic" in China, but on the street black people are hated. Currently the rumor is that Africans brought coronavirus to China and black people are being expelled from hotels, apartments, restaurants, etc. For example see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nxNbQBaLow .

    Chinese like blacks better than whites, british descended small brains are despised the most so keep trying to make yourself beleive we like whites , nope

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Tiny! you too fucking funny. I admire your trolling, you are the best.
  31. @Steve Sailer
    But the Jordans and LeBrons and Wilts are pretty awesome one in a hundred million figures.

    But the Jordans and LeBrons and Wilts are pretty awesome one in a hundred million figures.

    Until you foul them. Wilt lived up to his name:

    https://www.noahbasketball.com/blog/the-worst-free-throw-shooters-in-nba-history

  32. Last I checked the football league of Belarus is still going with fans still attending. They recently sold TV rights to a dozen or so European countries.

  33. I notice the panels of the basketballs they use are of the design that the NBA tried in 2006 then quickly abandoned.

  34. @Morris Applebaum IV
    I've always felt that basketball would be way more exciting and skillful if there were height limits, perhaps 6'3" or 6'4", which is the 99th percentile. Why not at least create a "minor" league with this limitation?

    The median height in the NBA is about 6'7", which is the 99.955th percentile. Basketball fans are basically selecting for height + some mostly non-exceptional level of skill & athleticism.

    >>The median height in the NBA is about 6’7″, which is the 99.955th percentile. Basketball fans are basically selecting for height + some mostly non-exceptional level of skill & athleticism.<<

    Yes, nearly all players are exceptionally tall but you seem to be stuck in a pre 2020 mindset. As a Houston Rockets fan (and others, like pioneering Golden State) teams now are not reliant on giants who stand around the baseline to dunk or swat or box out the less giant guys. Or mid court stop and pop guys. Very old school.

    Centers as a role are becoming obsolete. Sure the forwards are normally larger, but the future is with three point sharpshootesr who can also penetrate like Jordan, or better. James Harden and Russell Westbrook on the Rockets are prime examples. The Rockets were playing nothing but "small ball" and traded away their tallish center Clint Capella because analytics showed they did better without the tall guy. Just three pointer forwards on the outside edges and 3 point shooters who are also fast penetraters hanging around the three point line. The new rules favor that.

    Most teams won't follow that of course, and the season was truncated this year so we won't know how well nothing but Small Ball actually works to the end. Golden State proved that taking a 3 is always better than a 2. The big guys are now needing to also be very fast and very accurate at distances. So ultimately Asian BB will prove even better than before. Not many Yao Mings there, but plenty of guys, given the populations, who can and will shoot and run like Harden.

    My prediction: half court violation rules will be changed and eventually, there will be a four point shot behind the half court line. It's a logical extension. That's the game by say, 2035

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ...there will be a four point shot behind the half court line. It's a logical extension. That's the game by say, 2035
     
    Jerry West will be 97.



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fzWGnA4Ll-0
  35. @Redneck farmer
    So does Sweden. I don't know if they're playing though.

    “So does Sweden. I don’t know if they’re playing though.”

    Redneck farmer, what’s amazing is some of the players actually look like legacy Swedes:

    Swedes

    BTW in Sweden a reported ~850 have died, so far, of the virus, ~10,000 have tested infected. Sweden’s population is ~10,200,000. So to date 0.0083% of Swedes have passed as a result of the virus infection.

    In the USA a reported ~20,000 have died of the virus, ~510,000 have tested infected. The US population is ~ 330,000,000. To date 0.0066% of our people have succumbed in the US.

    Will a higher percentage of Swedes succumb in the end? Doesn’t really much matter: this is only round one, Covid-19, the real fight will likely start when the world has to deal with SARS-CoV-3, SARS-CoV-4, SARS-CoV-5……

  36. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Some guys are still going to hit the links as one owner said he is not chasing golfers off his course but the “course” is closed.
     
    Oh, I bet there are plenty of newly-minted snitches inhabiting the condos lining the fairways.

    If not, I'm sure some bored NY State Police troopers will show up with drones and such. Highway patrols appear to be way down in response to the lower traffic volume. I guess there's not enough revenue to be made.

    Howard, not too many courses in WNY are lined with condos, that is a vacation destination thing. But, yes it was snitches that ended the golfing. Too many duffers standing and sitting around in the parking lots downing beers. That’s why we can’t have nice things. Now, if you manage to launch your 14 foot aluminum skiff, with a 10 horse outboard, and you just want to catch some perch outside the Buffalo breakwall, does the Coast Guard stop you? And, a short tale. I was golfing on Myrtle Beach. The course was lined with nice houses. I sliced into a yard, just beyond the split rail fence. Leaning over, but not on the fence, I tried to drag the ball back to me. An irate man charged out of the house yelling….”Leave the ball there, just leave the effing ball there. I am so tired of you guys hitting golf balls into my yard!” I backed up, looked at the guy and said…”You know you built your house on a golf course. What did you think was going to land in your yard, footballs? Keep the ball you effing jerkoff!” Stay safe.

  37. @eastkekiisawhiteguy
    I hope fredeette messes up his achiles .

    east, Glad to see you posting here. There is an edit button, read what you wrote, correct your grammar and so glad you are visiting here, from where ever.

  38. @eastkekiisawhiteguy
    Chinese like blacks better than whites, british descended small brains are despised the most so keep trying to make yourself beleive we like whites , nope

    Tiny! you too fucking funny. I admire your trolling, you are the best.

  39. “A rule appears to be that only one African-American player is allowed to jump at a time,”

    I was unaware that Taiwan had any African-American players. I suspect they have some black ones though. The AA word is bad enough in a US context, where it involves extra syllables and gives potential offense to immigrants from Africa. I’ve heard some are baffled/offended by the AA term, as they see little of Africa in US black culture.

  40. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:

    Yes, he is a master baiter, for sure.

  41. @Anon
    Jimmer Fredette dominates the CBA, leading the league with almost 40 ppg for the Shanghai Sharks. He scored 75 pts. in one game.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5ya7xV4VEA

    Sharks vs. Wu-Bats tonite baby and I’ve got a pair of ducats courtside!

  42. @Triumph104
    In billion population China, the Chinese Basketball Association told foreign players to return last month in anticipation of resuming games this month in empty arenas. The foreign players had to undergo 14 days quarantine, but one or more may have tested positive for Covid-19 because the CBA season has now been postponed indefinitely.

    Stephan Marbury is now a coach in Beijing and has tested negative twice for the virus. His cousin, Daniel Turner, died from Covid-19. His cousin was the brother of former NBA player Sebastian Telfair. The cousins' mother, also infected, has been placed into an induced coma. Instead of blaming China for killing his cousin, Marbury is going to purchase 10 million N95 face masks for New Yorkers for $2.75 each from Chinese suppliers.

    Stephon Marbury has learned not to bite the hand that feeds you. That’s interesting as far as I was aware he was still playing in china and dominating the league.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    Agree. Stephon Marbury stopped playing in 2018. The 2019-2020 season is his first as a coach.
  43. anon[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Morris Applebaum IV
    I've always felt that basketball would be way more exciting and skillful if there were height limits, perhaps 6'3" or 6'4", which is the 99th percentile. Why not at least create a "minor" league with this limitation?

    The median height in the NBA is about 6'7", which is the 99.955th percentile. Basketball fans are basically selecting for height + some mostly non-exceptional level of skill & athleticism.

    The pro basketball league in the Philippines did or still does have a 6’5″ height limit for foreign players (not much need for a limit for the locals). Basketball is wildly popular there, despite games being played in stifling hot, 105F arenas without aircon. Despite everyone being nuts about basketball there, their national team is not every competitive. You can’t teach height. Several small (in population) European countries with 1/30th of the population of the Philippines, but plenty of athletic dudes 6’9″ and up, could beat them by 50. It’s the same reason there are no NFL linemen under 6′ and 250 lbs, and no linebackers under 200 lbs.

    There was a height-limited minor pro league in the U.S. for a time as well. As someone has said, the NBA is chockful of stars 6’5″ and under: Curry, Lillard, Irving, Kemba Walker, Paul, Harden, Westbrook, Trae Young, Ja Morant, Donovan Mitchell (Covid survivor, btw) and many others – who would never join such a league, because they can still dominate in a league of giants and make $30M/year. Obviously, to even make it to the NBA when you are tall-normal height (6′ to 6’5″), you have to be unbelievably good.

    • Replies: @Sparkon

    The pro basketball league in the Philippines did or still does have a 6’5″ height limit for foreign players.
     
    If they have that rule, it must be a new one. I'll check in a minute, but I'm pretty sure 6'7" former Bradley Univ. star, drafted by the Phoenix Suns and on the '86 NBA champion Boston Celtics, forward David Thirdkill -- "The Sheriff" -- played in the Philippine pro league for a time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Kt8j44OX4


    Memory serves...


    In 1987, Thirdkill played in a tournament (Open Conference) for the Tanduay Rhum Masters team in the Philippine Basketball Association and won the championship aside from being named "Best Import" of the conference. He returned for another conference in 1988, this time for the newly formed Purefoods team, which he led to another finals appearance.
     
    In the 1987 PBA open conference elimination round, Thirdkill averaged, wait for it ... 51.9 ppg over 12 games to lead all scorers. In 1988, he again led all scorers, averaging 50.6 ppg.

    http://www.celticslife.com/2016/08/what-hell-happened-todavid-thirdkill.html

    , @Marty
    I didn’t know PI had gone to a 6’5” limit. I used to know 6’8” guy who played pro there. Byron “Snake” Jones, a power forward for USF in the early ‘70’s. In a pickup game in the ‘80’s, he mentioned the loss to UCLA in the ‘73 regional. He said, “I hayeld Wilkes to thurdinahn.”
    , @Morris Applebaum IV
    The difference is that the ridiculous height advantage in basketball is arguably more of a bug than a feature. The game wasn't invented with the idea of being dominated by extraordinarily rare giants, but by people who had tremendous athletic and basketball skills. Being able to physically dominate people with tremendous physical power is a key part of American football.

    Another alternative would be to try to change the rules to reduce the value of (mostly non-exceptionally skilled in every other aspect of the game) giants.

  44. @Muggles
    >>The median height in the NBA is about 6’7″, which is the 99.955th percentile. Basketball fans are basically selecting for height + some mostly non-exceptional level of skill & athleticism.<<

    Yes, nearly all players are exceptionally tall but you seem to be stuck in a pre 2020 mindset. As a Houston Rockets fan (and others, like pioneering Golden State) teams now are not reliant on giants who stand around the baseline to dunk or swat or box out the less giant guys. Or mid court stop and pop guys. Very old school.

    Centers as a role are becoming obsolete. Sure the forwards are normally larger, but the future is with three point sharpshootesr who can also penetrate like Jordan, or better. James Harden and Russell Westbrook on the Rockets are prime examples. The Rockets were playing nothing but "small ball" and traded away their tallish center Clint Capella because analytics showed they did better without the tall guy. Just three pointer forwards on the outside edges and 3 point shooters who are also fast penetraters hanging around the three point line. The new rules favor that.

    Most teams won't follow that of course, and the season was truncated this year so we won't know how well nothing but Small Ball actually works to the end. Golden State proved that taking a 3 is always better than a 2. The big guys are now needing to also be very fast and very accurate at distances. So ultimately Asian BB will prove even better than before. Not many Yao Mings there, but plenty of guys, given the populations, who can and will shoot and run like Harden.

    My prediction: half court violation rules will be changed and eventually, there will be a four point shot behind the half court line. It's a logical extension. That's the game by say, 2035

    …there will be a four point shot behind the half court line. It’s a logical extension. That’s the game by say, 2035

    Jerry West will be 97.

  45. @anon
    The pro basketball league in the Philippines did or still does have a 6'5" height limit for foreign players (not much need for a limit for the locals). Basketball is wildly popular there, despite games being played in stifling hot, 105F arenas without aircon. Despite everyone being nuts about basketball there, their national team is not every competitive. You can't teach height. Several small (in population) European countries with 1/30th of the population of the Philippines, but plenty of athletic dudes 6'9" and up, could beat them by 50. It's the same reason there are no NFL linemen under 6' and 250 lbs, and no linebackers under 200 lbs.

    There was a height-limited minor pro league in the U.S. for a time as well. As someone has said, the NBA is chockful of stars 6'5" and under: Curry, Lillard, Irving, Kemba Walker, Paul, Harden, Westbrook, Trae Young, Ja Morant, Donovan Mitchell (Covid survivor, btw) and many others - who would never join such a league, because they can still dominate in a league of giants and make $30M/year. Obviously, to even make it to the NBA when you are tall-normal height (6' to 6'5"), you have to be unbelievably good.

    The pro basketball league in the Philippines did or still does have a 6’5″ height limit for foreign players.

    If they have that rule, it must be a new one. I’ll check in a minute, but I’m pretty sure 6’7″ former Bradley Univ. star, drafted by the Phoenix Suns and on the ’86 NBA champion Boston Celtics, forward David Thirdkill — “The Sheriff” — played in the Philippine pro league for a time.

    Memory serves…

    In 1987, Thirdkill played in a tournament (Open Conference) for the Tanduay Rhum Masters team in the Philippine Basketball Association and won the championship aside from being named “Best Import” of the conference. He returned for another conference in 1988, this time for the newly formed Purefoods team, which he led to another finals appearance.

    In the 1987 PBA open conference elimination round, Thirdkill averaged, wait for it … 51.9 ppg over 12 games to lead all scorers. In 1988, he again led all scorers, averaging 50.6 ppg.

    http://www.celticslife.com/2016/08/what-hell-happened-todavid-thirdkill.html

  46. @anon
    The pro basketball league in the Philippines did or still does have a 6'5" height limit for foreign players (not much need for a limit for the locals). Basketball is wildly popular there, despite games being played in stifling hot, 105F arenas without aircon. Despite everyone being nuts about basketball there, their national team is not every competitive. You can't teach height. Several small (in population) European countries with 1/30th of the population of the Philippines, but plenty of athletic dudes 6'9" and up, could beat them by 50. It's the same reason there are no NFL linemen under 6' and 250 lbs, and no linebackers under 200 lbs.

    There was a height-limited minor pro league in the U.S. for a time as well. As someone has said, the NBA is chockful of stars 6'5" and under: Curry, Lillard, Irving, Kemba Walker, Paul, Harden, Westbrook, Trae Young, Ja Morant, Donovan Mitchell (Covid survivor, btw) and many others - who would never join such a league, because they can still dominate in a league of giants and make $30M/year. Obviously, to even make it to the NBA when you are tall-normal height (6' to 6'5"), you have to be unbelievably good.

    I didn’t know PI had gone to a 6’5” limit. I used to know 6’8” guy who played pro there. Byron “Snake” Jones, a power forward for USF in the early ‘70’s. In a pickup game in the ‘80’s, he mentioned the loss to UCLA in the ‘73 regional. He said, “I hayeld Wilkes to thurdinahn.”

    • Replies: @anon
    They got shorter once they got to the Philippines:
    https://slate.com/culture/2007/05/the-philippines-incredible-shrinking-basketball-players.html
  47. @Kyle
    Stephon Marbury has learned not to bite the hand that feeds you. That’s interesting as far as I was aware he was still playing in china and dominating the league.

    Agree. Stephon Marbury stopped playing in 2018. The 2019-2020 season is his first as a coach.

  48. @Barnard
    This league in Taiwan is not attracting many foreign players, which may be part of the reason they were comfortable restarting games. There are only 8 Americans and a handful of players from other countries. It would be surprising if this drew big crowds in normal times.

    Taiwan’s Super Basketball League only has five teams. Asian countries want their native sons to be the majority of players.

    The Chinese Basketball Association has quotas on non-Asians, not foreigners, so Jeremy Lin’s playing time is not limited.

    The Chinese Basketball Association (CBA) comprises of 20 teams from all over mainland China. From Xinjiang in the far North West, to Shenzhen in the South East. Each team is allowed a maximum of 2 non-Asian players in their squad, unless they finished in the bottom 5 the previous season, in which case they are allowed a third.

    To add further confusion to the rules regarding non- Asian players, teams are only allowed to play non- Asian players for a total of 6 quarters, and only one non- Asian player at a time in the 4th quarter. This means that if a player checks in at all in a quarter that counts as 1 quarter of playing time. Whilst these rules can get confusing, it means that the Chinese players are not crowded out of the league!

    https://pagodaprojects.com/chinese-basketball-association/

  49. @Marty
    I didn’t know PI had gone to a 6’5” limit. I used to know 6’8” guy who played pro there. Byron “Snake” Jones, a power forward for USF in the early ‘70’s. In a pickup game in the ‘80’s, he mentioned the loss to UCLA in the ‘73 regional. He said, “I hayeld Wilkes to thurdinahn.”
  50. Taiwan, which has largely avoided Chinese virus troubles by not trusting the Chinese

    They’re not Taiwanese, You know.

  51. @Trinity
    That wouldn't sell. A professional basketball league that had height limits would be a bust the same way when inferior leagues like the WFL and USFL tried to compete with the NFL. A 6'4" and under league might be a bigger draw than the WNBA which last time I checked couldn't draw flies. Not a big fan of basketball, always preferred football and baseball but you would have to have guys with the skills of 6'4" Walt Frazier and 6'3" Earl Monroe for a league of 6'4" and under to compete with the NBA, and those kind of players would opt to play in the BIG league because they could still dominate and make more money while proving the big boys don't bother them. Plenty of talent in the past were under 6'4", one guy was Calvin Murphy, all 5'9" of him, granted he played in the Seventies but still he was pretty damn short even by 1970's NBA standards. I mean where would it stop? A Kentucky Derby for jockeys who weigh between 130-140lbs? An NFL league for players who weigh under 250lbs? Weight classes for the Boston Marathon? Gazelle Weight Class would be limited to all runners under 130lbs, Quarter Horse Weight Class for all runners under 175lbs, and the Clydesdale Weight Class for all runners above 175lbs. Olympic Swimming? 6' 2" and over and 6' and under. It wouldn't stop.

    Someone even might come up with the crazy idea of weight classes for boxers. Who would watch that?

    The point isn’t to make things equal for 99.9+% of below NBA-average height, but to create a way more interesting game. I would rather watch the best shooters, passers, dribblers, and overall athletes. Others would like to look at super tall guys. To each his own.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    I WAS a huge boxing fan from the 1970's through the early 2000's and my guess is that the reason boxing went from a top tier sport in America to a third tier sport had a lot to do with too many weight divisions and too many "world champions." There used to be 8 weight divisions in boxing. Now you have weight divisions separated by as little as 3-4lbs, what the hell is that all about. FAR MORE PEOPLE WATCHED BOXING WHEN THERE WERE ONLY 8 WEIGHT DIVISIONS. Look at some of the divisions now? Between 112lbs and 135lbs there are 7 divisions each separated by 3-5lbs with at least 3 "world champions" per division. The ONLY division that should have been added to the original 8 divisions in boxing was the cruiserweight division because heavyweights under 200lbs would be at an extreme disadvantage, hell, 220lb heavyweights are small nowadays. Muhammad Ali wold be a small heavyweight in 2020. The cruiserweight division was born in 1979 when the average heavyweight probably weighed between 210-225lbs, now with day before weigh ins, the average cruiserweight who has to weigh below 200lbs come in the ring probably weighing about 220lbs the night of the fight. So basically boxing heavyweight legends like Joe Frazier, Joe Louis, would have fought at cruiserweight and Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano could have probably even made the light heavyweight limit of 175lbs with today's weigh ins taking place a day before the fight. Most light heavies are fighting at about 190lbs the night of the fight.
  52. @anon
    The pro basketball league in the Philippines did or still does have a 6'5" height limit for foreign players (not much need for a limit for the locals). Basketball is wildly popular there, despite games being played in stifling hot, 105F arenas without aircon. Despite everyone being nuts about basketball there, their national team is not every competitive. You can't teach height. Several small (in population) European countries with 1/30th of the population of the Philippines, but plenty of athletic dudes 6'9" and up, could beat them by 50. It's the same reason there are no NFL linemen under 6' and 250 lbs, and no linebackers under 200 lbs.

    There was a height-limited minor pro league in the U.S. for a time as well. As someone has said, the NBA is chockful of stars 6'5" and under: Curry, Lillard, Irving, Kemba Walker, Paul, Harden, Westbrook, Trae Young, Ja Morant, Donovan Mitchell (Covid survivor, btw) and many others - who would never join such a league, because they can still dominate in a league of giants and make $30M/year. Obviously, to even make it to the NBA when you are tall-normal height (6' to 6'5"), you have to be unbelievably good.

    The difference is that the ridiculous height advantage in basketball is arguably more of a bug than a feature. The game wasn’t invented with the idea of being dominated by extraordinarily rare giants, but by people who had tremendous athletic and basketball skills. Being able to physically dominate people with tremendous physical power is a key part of American football.

    Another alternative would be to try to change the rules to reduce the value of (mostly non-exceptionally skilled in every other aspect of the game) giants.

    • Replies: @anon
    As I said before, many of the best players in the NBA are not giants, but rather tall-normal (6' to 6'5") Therefore, they ARE able to exhibit their athletic and basketball skills just fine. These days lumbering giants are certainly not dominating the game. The bigs that are dominating these days are extremely skilled, like Antetokounpo, Davis, Towns, Sabonis, and Jokic.

    The NBA has changed its rules over the decades to favor skill over size - not allowing hand-checking anymore, the offensive 3-second rule, wider lane, and the 3-point line are just some of the examples. The evolution of 3-point shooting in particular has been astounding over the past few years. Most folks don't realize just how difficult it is to make a shot beyond the longer NBA 3-point arc, even in an empty gym, because the only places where you find it are NBA arenas and practice facilities. Most regular folks would hit 0 out 10 shots from the NBA 3-pt-line. Yet most NBA players, even 7-footers, shoot it with amazing consistency, to the point where it's rare to see someone miss an open 3-pointer. The best shooters make shots even from 27-30 feet look easy, while being tightly guarded.

    Some of the newest trends are playing 5 smaller, highly skilled players for long stretches, with none over 6-6 (e.g. the Rockets, the Warriors).

    You can dislike the NBA for many reasons, but favoring size over skill is not one of them. The vast majority of rule changes in the NBA have been made to counter size. Size is of course advantageous, but it's the case for most sports. The vast majority of ball sports favor tall, long-limbed, strong people, from basketball to volleyball, tennis, team handball, and many positions in American football and baseball. I used to play basketball against a retired World Series pitcher (who'd also played college basketball in the Ivy league). He was 6-6, long, and strong as an ox.

    The notable exception is soccer, which favors "normal" sized, extremely fit people, and where both short (Maradona at 5-5, Messi & Modric at 5-7) and tall (Ibrahimovic at 6-5) men can be superstars.
  53. @Morris Applebaum IV
    Someone even might come up with the crazy idea of weight classes for boxers. Who would watch that?

    The point isn't to make things equal for 99.9+% of below NBA-average height, but to create a way more interesting game. I would rather watch the best shooters, passers, dribblers, and overall athletes. Others would like to look at super tall guys. To each his own.

    I WAS a huge boxing fan from the 1970’s through the early 2000’s and my guess is that the reason boxing went from a top tier sport in America to a third tier sport had a lot to do with too many weight divisions and too many “world champions.” There used to be 8 weight divisions in boxing. Now you have weight divisions separated by as little as 3-4lbs, what the hell is that all about. FAR MORE PEOPLE WATCHED BOXING WHEN THERE WERE ONLY 8 WEIGHT DIVISIONS. Look at some of the divisions now? Between 112lbs and 135lbs there are 7 divisions each separated by 3-5lbs with at least 3 “world champions” per division. The ONLY division that should have been added to the original 8 divisions in boxing was the cruiserweight division because heavyweights under 200lbs would be at an extreme disadvantage, hell, 220lb heavyweights are small nowadays. Muhammad Ali wold be a small heavyweight in 2020. The cruiserweight division was born in 1979 when the average heavyweight probably weighed between 210-225lbs, now with day before weigh ins, the average cruiserweight who has to weigh below 200lbs come in the ring probably weighing about 220lbs the night of the fight. So basically boxing heavyweight legends like Joe Frazier, Joe Louis, would have fought at cruiserweight and Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano could have probably even made the light heavyweight limit of 175lbs with today’s weigh ins taking place a day before the fight. Most light heavies are fighting at about 190lbs the night of the fight.

  54. anon[275] • Disclaimer says:
    @Morris Applebaum IV
    The difference is that the ridiculous height advantage in basketball is arguably more of a bug than a feature. The game wasn't invented with the idea of being dominated by extraordinarily rare giants, but by people who had tremendous athletic and basketball skills. Being able to physically dominate people with tremendous physical power is a key part of American football.

    Another alternative would be to try to change the rules to reduce the value of (mostly non-exceptionally skilled in every other aspect of the game) giants.

    As I said before, many of the best players in the NBA are not giants, but rather tall-normal (6′ to 6’5″) Therefore, they ARE able to exhibit their athletic and basketball skills just fine. These days lumbering giants are certainly not dominating the game. The bigs that are dominating these days are extremely skilled, like Antetokounpo, Davis, Towns, Sabonis, and Jokic.

    The NBA has changed its rules over the decades to favor skill over size – not allowing hand-checking anymore, the offensive 3-second rule, wider lane, and the 3-point line are just some of the examples. The evolution of 3-point shooting in particular has been astounding over the past few years. Most folks don’t realize just how difficult it is to make a shot beyond the longer NBA 3-point arc, even in an empty gym, because the only places where you find it are NBA arenas and practice facilities. Most regular folks would hit 0 out 10 shots from the NBA 3-pt-line. Yet most NBA players, even 7-footers, shoot it with amazing consistency, to the point where it’s rare to see someone miss an open 3-pointer. The best shooters make shots even from 27-30 feet look easy, while being tightly guarded.

    Some of the newest trends are playing 5 smaller, highly skilled players for long stretches, with none over 6-6 (e.g. the Rockets, the Warriors).

    You can dislike the NBA for many reasons, but favoring size over skill is not one of them. The vast majority of rule changes in the NBA have been made to counter size. Size is of course advantageous, but it’s the case for most sports. The vast majority of ball sports favor tall, long-limbed, strong people, from basketball to volleyball, tennis, team handball, and many positions in American football and baseball. I used to play basketball against a retired World Series pitcher (who’d also played college basketball in the Ivy league). He was 6-6, long, and strong as an ox.

    The notable exception is soccer, which favors “normal” sized, extremely fit people, and where both short (Maradona at 5-5, Messi & Modric at 5-7) and tall (Ibrahimovic at 6-5) men can be superstars.

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