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Nah, actually, this a graph from a survey by Emil Kirkegaard, Bryan J. Pesta, and Joseph Bronski.
The specific prompt was: “Of the following questions, please indicate how taboo you think the question is”, with 5 options from “not at all taboo” to “extremely taboo”. We tried to include a wide variety of questions, some taboo, and some not taboo.
Everybody knows some topics or questions are taboo, but which ones? Do people agree? Decided to find out. We asked 500 Americans online to rate the tabooness of 29 questions, and this was the result.
Race and IQ was the winner, even beating incest, pedophilia, gay germs etc. pic.twitter.com/17MTj6wyfn
— Emil Kirkegaard (@KirkegaardEmil) April 17, 2024
By the way, I haven’t been promoting my book Noticing that hard online lately because it’s still sold well enough without an intense push from me lately that shipping is still lagging a few weeks behind new orders. The publishers promise that they will be over the hump by next week. We’ll see.
The good news is that the $29.95 paperback Plebian Edition is an aesthetically worthy adjunct to the superb but extremely expensive $395.00 leatherbound Patrician Edition. (There are several dozen copies still left of the 500 hardcovers printed, which you can order here.) I signed several dozen copies of the paperback in Austin and everybody, both the customers and I, were very pleased by how it turned out.
If you are in no hurry at present to get the book, please order the $29.95 paperback directly from Passage Press. The promo cheat code for free shipping (within the US) remains STANCIL.
The Amazon page for Noticing is finally taking shape, but … logistically, the Amazon connection is not really ready to do business yet, so I’m not going to link to it yet. (Also, while I have nothing against Jeff Bezos — I think he’s a great businessman who has made my life better over the last three decades — I also think that my publishers and I need money from my book more than Jeff does, so at present I’d rather promote direct sales from Passage than through Amazon, where Jeff takes his not-insubstantial cut.)
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“Gay germs”? Lol! Are we talking about Monkeypox and AIDS which homosexual men created out of nothing, which is both impressive and disgusting all at the same time.
Any word on an audiobook version of Noticing?
One pertinent question was not
on the list, and yet I think it ought
to be fraught with tabooness:
it’s, “Do you think Jewness
is hereditary or taught?”
Does it have 18 chapters like golf has 18 holes?
18 holes of truth.
Yes, for those currently in your fan base, it makes more sense for them to buy directly from your publisher.
In any event, I do appreciate that you haven’t been rattling the tin cup this month, instead concentrating on writing your blog and promoting your book. Perhaps one rattle at the end of the month for those who aren’t inclined to buy your book would be in order.
Nah, by definition, the most taboo subject is the thing that people like Kirkegaard and others (like Steve) don’t even think to ask about or are afraid to ask about.
How is a question about pedophilia taboo? There is basically 100% agreement that it’s bad.
I.e. for most people the answer is obvious, and asking as if there is some real question there outs you as a creep.
All the other questions seem like legitimate ought-to-be-non-taboo questions that people should have no problem entertaining even if I think the answer to several of them is pretty clear.Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
Obviously, most people in the survey misunderstood what they were being asked. Instead of carefully thinking through whether the question itself should be taboo, they just proleptically reacted to their feelings that the subject was somehow immoral or icky. If the idiots understood how the hell they were actually supposed to answer, they would realize that some of the ickiest subjects are actually the least taboo questions to ask.
People are stupid. People do this very thing all the time, and the more intelligent you are, the more you realize that they're doing it and the more it frustrates you. It's like being a Catholic and having to put up with all the dipshits who think "the Immaculate Conception" means "the Virgin Birth."
On the other hand, there is one caveat to all this. The stupid people may have an inarticulable but reliable instinct, born of experience, telling them that when a social scientist says "I want to ask you about X," what he really means is, "I want to demolish your traditional opinions about X and concoct sciency rationalizations for holding the contrary view." In this, the stupid people are right, so they may be answering that those questions are taboo as a means of defending whatever remains of their healthy and normal morality from subversive politics masquerading as science. If you were to hindcast this interpretation over the last 30 years of "social science," you would find it to be eerily accurate.
Coincidently, my sister is coming over tomorrow.
I’m having trouble parsing the poll results for the reason you give. I suppose some questions can be taboo, but it’s far more likely to be the answers that are controversial.
I see your point, but arguably historical Sailer and current Sailer are different things, and so both deserve to be rattled. I already made the April donation, remembering to do so, even at my age. I will vicariously rattle, if I may. The tuition and drink price here at what I call “Sailer University and Pub” is very reasonable. Thank you. -SafeNow.
“Whether democracy leads to better countries than other forms of government”
It would be nice to have an “a la carte democracy” where the populace voted directly, by referendum, on each issue individually rather than being forced into the artificial strait-jacket of the “Republican vs. Democrat” or “Labour vs. Tory” two party system, where each party represents a semi-random grab bag of policies and where both parties form a bipartisan consensus which is contrary to the public’s actual wants on the most important issues – giving them no choice at all. E.g., (1) forced mass immigration (demography) and (2) endless wars for Israel. If there were a referendum on each individual issue spelled out in clear language then, at least, there would be no debate about “why” a given party or politician was elected. “Was Trump really elected to build the wall” (as he promised at every campaign rally for two years, but didn’t do) or was he elected to move the embassy to Jerusalem and cut taxes for his billionaire donors like Sheldon Adelson? (As he actually did.) “I guess we’ll never know why they voted for him – better cut those taxes.”
“Trump was just a protest vote, goy. His voters didn’t really want the border wall. It was symbolic. Better not do anything about the border but just send more money to Israel instead.” Unfortunately, without a referendum in clear language on each issue, the corrupt political class easily gets away with this dishonesty.
Of course, even when the public has a referendum on something that the J-mafia ruling class is opposed to, like closing the borders, the J-mafia trashes the vote anyway. This occurred perhaps most infamously when (((Mariana Pfaelzer))), one unelected judge, struck down Prop 187 after it won with five million votes and a substantial margin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_Pfaelzer
Brexit was effectively a referendum for less immigration and yet Britain has never had more immigration than it has now. It’s almost as if the much vaunted “democracy” isn’t that democratic or something.
In any event, what’s more important than these process issues (how voting is conducted and implemented) is how the public has its views shaped in the first place. It’s not what happens during or after the vote which matters so much as how the public has its thoughts and opinions formed for it by the media in the first place – how “consent is manufactured” (in Chomsky’s language) or how the public is conditioned into a “false consciousness” where “a subordinate class willfully embodies the ideology of the ruling class” as Engels described. (Marx and Engels got a lot wrong, but they didn’t get everything wrong.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consciousness
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What’s more important: Democracy or freedom of speech?
With freedom of speech but no democracy the public will have little to no (direct) say in how their government is run – but at least the populace will have an accurate understanding of reality – or, to be more precise, they will at lesat have the scientific means by which they can arrive at such an understanding. Freedom of speech is foundational to (if not synonymous with) the scientific method as it applies to politics and philosophy.
On the other hand, if you have democracy without freedom of speech then the public has a say in government policy but an inaccurate understanding of not only reality but also what policy should be (and even what their own interests actually are – and, thus what they should vote for. (Is it in my interest to be turned into a hated minority in my own land? Jeez? Well the Jewish-cartelized media tells me it’s my “strength” so that must be so.) Consequently, you still get bad policy which represents the media owners’ interests and not the public’s interests. Furthermore, the public doesn’t even have the consolation of knowing what that policy ought to have been.
(Actually, to be fair, is that a consolation or does it just make it all more infuriating to know? I.e., knowing what should be done but having no power to make it happen.)
Obviously, freedom of speech is far more important than democracy. Democracy without freedom of speech is just rule by the censors, propagandists and opinion-makers (media oligarchs). It’s a hidden tyranny where the slaves falsely believe themselves free and falsely believe “their” opinions to be, not only correct, but “their own” opinions at all. This is what Americans are living in right now.
More thoughts on democracy:
https://www.unz.com/article/democracy-is-an-ideal-government-for-jewish-influence/#comment-6489006
I like the phrasing.
If you’re honest, you admit to the genetic inequality between whites, NE Asians, and blacks.
Yes, race and IQ is the most taboo. My federal government work computer blocks all websites dealing with that. Blacks are the sacred cow of modern day America. Low IQ Blacks also are the group most likely to vote Democrat, the party that enforces their sacred cow status.
It is funny to see the health benefits of organic food on the list. I am your typical health food nut with twenty bottles of supplements and a kitchen full of organic food plus being an anti-vaxxer with a doctor phobia. My family and friends just find my nuttiness amusing and laugh at me.
George Orwell spoke of the same group in 1937:They seem to be attracted to (and wind up discrediting) anti-establishment politics, which is a shame because the establishment is wrong about a lot of stuff.Replies: @Mark G.
It's a form of enforced politeness, like not pointing out that someone is fat, or ugly, or walks funny.
But we've gotten rather cultish about this taboo, with demands that public policy bow down before it.
Should You Spank On the First Date? That is the taboo question I answered in an article that I wrote and was published by my girlfriend in the early 1990s.
(She and I got the idea from our own first date: I discovered that she wasn’t wearing panties under her summer dress, so I told her she was a naughty girl, and I spanked her. That was the beginning of a beautiful relationhip.)
We met when I interviewed her for a local PBS special about pornography. She was a well-known pornographer in our region at the time. After the interview, she took me out to dinner.
So, sometime during our dating relationship, she published my story. My thesis was, yes, you can spank on the first date, just like kissing, if you determine that your date is ready.
While Zoomer girls don’t actually date or screw much, they have no compunctions about one night pump n dumps. They probably would think you gay if you stopped at a first-date spank, though that too is far from a dealbreaker anymore.
https://zakhor-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Benny-Hill.jpg
There’s a hypothesis that homosexuality is triggered by a pathogen (n.b. not necessarily as a transmission strategy, looks more like an occasional side effect.) There are some good reasons to suspect this especially of male homosexuality–low/no homosexuality in isolated groups, low heritability of homosexuality, high rate of exclusive homosexuality in humans vs other animals. Greg Cochran has been advocating for looking for such a pathogen for quite a while but I don’t know what the state of research is currently.
Not quite 100% but close. There have been sporadic attempts by pedos to normalize it but so far no luck.
You think 100% of men deep down disagree with the saying “eight thru eighty”? Got a bridge in Baltimore to sell you
Look again at the survey results. “Whether Jews favor other Jews to increase their social power” was rated lower than several other issues. (That fits with my real-life impressions as well–I have left-leaning friends, including a small-time local pol, who will openly talk negatively about Jewish money, media bias, etc. but clam up about genetic racial differences.) It only feels more controversial to you because you spend so much time on RW forums where everyone mostly agrees on race and IQ but opinions of Jews vary.
Purchased the special edition when first announced several months ago. I enjoy every “noticing “ piece in it, having forgotten many over the years. Why do people lack common sense? Is it really because our news generating media is so dumb? Very distressing for a grandfather.
I still consider the Reptilian Overlord hypothesis to be the ultimate tabboo:
OT: Twitter thread about a guy who firebombed an abortion clinic:
He’s a tradcath who was part of the atheism club in high school. Have you ever noticed that these tradcaths are ALWAYS converts from secular or protestant backgrounds? These people clearly have little to no contact with actual Catholicism practiced in actual churches. All they know is a “based” internet fantasy.
In the other direction, rather than atheists getting religion, we have religious girls who turn into literal whores of various sorts, as a rule atheist whores. (Catholic whores donate generously to their churches because of guilt, while protestant whores mercilessly drain their churches because strong independent women oppressed by patriarchy.)
I believe 'Aella' is a particularly curious example of this, starts out some sort of prairie protestant, then San Francisco + prostitution + statistics(?!) + getting gang banged by a few dozen punters for her birthday. And no doubt lots more in between. But there are others, another dead end example is the one who spends her days in San Francisco taking very important LSD and documenting it. The degenerate's dream diary if you will. We also had that FTX 'polycule' which morphed into boyfriend/girlfriend once the more serious journalists had to get out their 10-ft poles and touch it.
Dad: "I told you not to marry a non-Jewish girl!"There's also a sort of rebellion aspect--an awful lot of porn stars from conservative religious backgrounds. So...if you're rebelling against atheist progressivism, well, you're going to find the most extreme form of Christianity you can, as opposed to an actual cradle Catholic for whom church is also about confirmations and gossip and that weird deacon and the annoying old lady who raises money for the church and fish fries, i.e. a source of community, good and bad. But if it's a way of sticking it to Mom? Well, you're going to get into sedevacantism and Pius X and that guy who blames the decline of the Western on Blazing Saddles.
I admit I’m surprised that a regional pornographer chick would consent to spanking. The regional pornographer gals around here are pretty strait-laced and only go in for light choking (or so I’ve heard).
If you read the comments you could even see a few guys pointing out the ladies literally asked for it some of the time.
I never agreed to it. No way to carry it off safely and if something goes wrong you're criminally liable. Even kinksters consider it 'edge play', i.e. dangerous.Replies: @JimDandy
I lol’d
LOL. You have to be a handsome, charming fellow with an accompanying reputation. I didn’t just walk into her life, and I wasn’t just hired to interview her on television for no reason. BTW, she had a very toned bottom; she worked out. Nice spanking material.
It doesn’t sound like you got consent before you proceeded with the spanking Buzz. I hope that you won’t get Me Tooed.
The most controversial topic is clearly the veracity of the Holocaust narrative.
That struck me as the only question on the list that I consider legitimately taboo.
I.e. for most people the answer is obvious, and asking as if there is some real question there outs you as a creep.
All the other questions seem like legitimate ought-to-be-non-taboo questions that people should have no problem entertaining even if I think the answer to several of them is pretty clear.
Yes, you’re right.
Obviously, most people in the survey misunderstood what they were being asked. Instead of carefully thinking through whether the question itself should be taboo, they just proleptically reacted to their feelings that the subject was somehow immoral or icky. If the idiots understood how the hell they were actually supposed to answer, they would realize that some of the ickiest subjects are actually the least taboo questions to ask.
People are stupid. People do this very thing all the time, and the more intelligent you are, the more you realize that they’re doing it and the more it frustrates you. It’s like being a Catholic and having to put up with all the dipshits who think “the Immaculate Conception” means “the Virgin Birth.”
On the other hand, there is one caveat to all this. The stupid people may have an inarticulable but reliable instinct, born of experience, telling them that when a social scientist says “I want to ask you about X,” what he really means is, “I want to demolish your traditional opinions about X and concoct sciency rationalizations for holding the contrary view.” In this, the stupid people are right, so they may be answering that those questions are taboo as a means of defending whatever remains of their healthy and normal morality from subversive politics masquerading as science. If you were to hindcast this interpretation over the last 30 years of “social science,” you would find it to be eerily accurate.
I.e. for most people the answer is obvious, and asking as if there is some real question there outs you as a creep.
All the other questions seem like legitimate ought-to-be-non-taboo questions that people should have no problem entertaining even if I think the answer to several of them is pretty clear.Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
From the other thread I can’t seem to respond to:
That case was made decades ago. That “debate” is over and serves no purpose now.
Who is “us”? Most people posting on this site are anti-White. Almost all are indifferent to the fate of White people. Steve Sailer himself has never claimed to be on the side of Whites or care what happens to them. Let’s not pretend like this blog is full of people who are on the side of White people. Quite the opposite.
Speaking of trotting things out repeatedly. I have no clue what this concept means in the current context. It seems designed to be non-racial which is what the Usual Suspects on this site want (at least for Whites). Whites were a minority in South Africa. Is is better now that we forced them to give power to the majority? Beyond that, Whites are a minority under the age of 15 in America. The White majority is dead.
It is funny to see the health benefits of organic food on the list. I am your typical health food nut with twenty bottles of supplements and a kitchen full of organic food plus being an anti-vaxxer with a doctor phobia. My family and friends just find my nuttiness amusing and laugh at me.Replies: @Anon, @bomag
Sure has been wonderful all these paranoid, neurotic, anal-retentive people moving from left-wing to right-wing over the years. Really has improved the quality of discussion on places like iSteve.
George Orwell spoke of the same group in 1937:
They seem to be attracted to (and wind up discrediting) anti-establishment politics, which is a shame because the establishment is wrong about a lot of stuff.
The original question, whether I consider the questions as taboo, is ambiguous.
Am I being asked if I consider the question taboo? Or that I am aware that the society around me considers the question taboo (regardless of how I feel about it)?
Is it a question of whether the question should be allowed, or is the question a question of whether I am for or against the subject of the question, or that I consider the answer to the question to be beyond question?
https://twitter.com/JpLawrence3/status/1780323160992178477
He's a tradcath who was part of the atheism club in high school. Have you ever noticed that these tradcaths are ALWAYS converts from secular or protestant backgrounds? These people clearly have little to no contact with actual Catholicism practiced in actual churches. All they know is a "based" internet fantasy.Replies: @Frau Katze, @J.Ross, @DenverGregg, @Anon, @SFG
Re: Trad Catholics
I thought they were Latin Mass Catholics. I admit I don’t know a lot about it, but I thought it was a liturgical difference mostly, not a difference in beliefs.
They and the one other giant family in my extended family are both nordic Christians. But more typically 8+ child families in the US are Jewish or Mennonite. The Jews of Rockland County NY have more 8+ births than Italy Spain and Portugal put together!
https://twitter.com/BirthGauge/status/1775491712099508340Replies: @Frau Katze
For instance, the Tridentine catechism is not compatible with the current catechism.Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Frau Katze
https://twitter.com/JpLawrence3/status/1780323160992178477
He's a tradcath who was part of the atheism club in high school. Have you ever noticed that these tradcaths are ALWAYS converts from secular or protestant backgrounds? These people clearly have little to no contact with actual Catholicism practiced in actual churches. All they know is a "based" internet fantasy.Replies: @Frau Katze, @J.Ross, @DenverGregg, @Anon, @SFG
E. Michael Jones smells the Macallan, which is to say that he smells the egg creme, on you, sir.
Clearly, you do not folk-wrestle.
There’s at least one of them commenting here, Spiritual Works of Mercy I believe it is. I followed his website link.
18 holes of truth.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Donald Westlake wrote a novel with a loser protagonist whose occupation was writing those cheap pornographic novels which predated the Internet, the videocassette, and cable television, and were available at questionable drugstores, depots, and newsstands. His employer had a rigid stylebook: each novel had to consist of fifteen chapters, each with fifteen pages and a single sex scene.
It was left to the reader himself to discover that Adios, Scheherazade itself consisted of fifteen chapters, each with fifteen pages and a single sex scene. Westlake, you son of a bitch…
Come to think of it, it probably wasn’t technology that did this genre in, but its replacement by racier and racier “mainstream” fiction.
The late great Florence King did that early in her career.
I will quibble with the framing of this survey because it’s not necessarily “questions” which are taboo, but the answers. For example, it wasn’t taboo for science-denier fraud Stephen J. Gould to discuss why genetic race differences are supposedly “debunked.” Likewise, Steve’s dodge that half the IQ difference is due to black environments is maybe 50% taboo. But the people who rated genetic race differences as most taboo presumably rank it that way because they know what the real answer is.
The big deal is birth control, not language of mass. The TC couple in my extended family goes to a normal parish but has 10 kids, though if you ask them they say 12 to include the stillborns.
They and the one other giant family in my extended family are both nordic Christians. But more typically 8+ child families in the US are Jewish or Mennonite. The Jews of Rockland County NY have more 8+ births than Italy Spain and Portugal put together!
a loser protagonist whose occupation was writing those cheap pornographic novels
The late great Florence King did that early in her career.
https://twitter.com/JpLawrence3/status/1780323160992178477
He's a tradcath who was part of the atheism club in high school. Have you ever noticed that these tradcaths are ALWAYS converts from secular or protestant backgrounds? These people clearly have little to no contact with actual Catholicism practiced in actual churches. All they know is a "based" internet fantasy.Replies: @Frau Katze, @J.Ross, @DenverGregg, @Anon, @SFG
i know an internationally prominent tradcath. he was raised progcath. i also know many of his parents’ friends, though not his (now deceased) parents. yes, anecdote is not the singular of data, but this dude abides. and he shall for a good while. i expect the state government will assassinate him for his faith. probably before it does the same to me, but not necessarily by many days.
Spanking on the first date seems kind of retro-wholesome, like a Benny Hill skit.
While Zoomer girls don’t actually date or screw much, they have no compunctions about one night pump n dumps. They probably would think you gay if you stopped at a first-date spank, though that too is far from a dealbreaker anymore.
I’ll say. It’s brutal. Their fees have gone up, up, up.
Having just–unfortunately procrastinating–done our taxes last weekend watching the Masters, and looked at AnotherMom’s Amazon 1099-K and her expenses … damn. Basically. her business–while solidly profitable–serves mostly to make Bezos money.
Amazon is a great thing. AnotherMom would never have launched her invention as a real product in the before time. Amazon enabled that. And it enables all of us to search widely for what we want, no longer constrained by what some local chooses to stock. But they’ve got scale and heft–they serve as “the market”–and can really squeeze producers and rake in monopoly profits.
Unfortunately I have no idea what that comment means. I was responding to someone making a sweeping statement about “trad Catholics.”
There’s at least one of them commenting here, Spiritual Works of Mercy I believe it is. I followed his website link.
They and the one other giant family in my extended family are both nordic Christians. But more typically 8+ child families in the US are Jewish or Mennonite. The Jews of Rockland County NY have more 8+ births than Italy Spain and Portugal put together!
https://twitter.com/BirthGauge/status/1775491712099508340Replies: @Frau Katze
Thanks for the inside scoop. Even regular Catholics aren’t supposed to use birth control, although it appears most of them do.
I’m pretty sure I read that. And I was kind of offended by the question, frankly. Of course you should spank on the first date. Jesus.
In England the biggest taboo is pointing out what a stupid runt that fat, bumbling, retarded, anti-White idiot that upper class twit, kosher puppet, alcoholic Churchill was.
Questions about race are taboo. So is anything about IQ. So hitting both is especially unsettling.
People agree that incest and pedophilia are bad, but people do not want to talk about them anyway.
George Orwell spoke of the same group in 1937:They seem to be attracted to (and wind up discrediting) anti-establishment politics, which is a shame because the establishment is wrong about a lot of stuff.Replies: @Mark G.
There has been a reversal in recent years. The Democrats used to be the party of the working class guy, small business owners, small family farms, and the antiwar movement while the Republicans were the party of the wealthy elites, big corporations like Pfizer, big agriculture, the military-industrial complex with its promotion of endless wars, and Wall Street banks. Now it has flipped.
It takes a man of the Left to get done the major leaps to the Right.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
E. Michael Jones is anti-White to the core.
Most Holy Rollers are. Same with Ideology Uber Alles types.
Someone once said that trying to calm-down one’s wife or girlfriend by telling her to calm-down is like trying to baptize a cat. There are many supposedly taboo utterances and questions in the spheres of courting and marital relationships. “Experts” have published lists, many of which are interesting in the armchair-shrink sense, or worthwhile in the cat-baptizing sense.
https://twitter.com/JpLawrence3/status/1780323160992178477
He's a tradcath who was part of the atheism club in high school. Have you ever noticed that these tradcaths are ALWAYS converts from secular or protestant backgrounds? These people clearly have little to no contact with actual Catholicism practiced in actual churches. All they know is a "based" internet fantasy.Replies: @Frau Katze, @J.Ross, @DenverGregg, @Anon, @SFG
You want to tell us the guy who firebombed the baby murder house is not your average catholic? Thanks, duly noted.
In the other direction, rather than atheists getting religion, we have religious girls who turn into literal whores of various sorts, as a rule atheist whores. (Catholic whores donate generously to their churches because of guilt, while protestant whores mercilessly drain their churches because strong independent women oppressed by patriarchy.)
I believe ‘Aella’ is a particularly curious example of this, starts out some sort of prairie protestant, then San Francisco + prostitution + statistics(?!) + getting gang banged by a few dozen punters for her birthday. And no doubt lots more in between. But there are others, another dead end example is the one who spends her days in San Francisco taking very important LSD and documenting it. The degenerate’s dream diary if you will. We also had that FTX ‘polycule’ which morphed into boyfriend/girlfriend once the more serious journalists had to get out their 10-ft poles and touch it.
Someone Is noticing things I hadn’t really noticed they were noticing: Your car.
From the Mozilla Foundation:
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/
That would be your car, not mine, My faithful 12 year old Camry 3k shy of 250k miles, focuses on getting me from A to B .
Which aria, speaking of Sirius (as the article does), that service recently broadcast on our main street's PA system, long before kids' bedtime. Perhaps the paucity of interest in sex among today's young can be attributed to having heard and absorbed Mr Loaf's plaint "I'm praying for the end of time so I can end my time with you" in the background at the convenience store so many times.
Clinton destroyed the Democrat-Labor axis with approval of NAFTA, something Bush the Wrinkled couldn’t get done.
It takes a man of the Left to get done the major leaps to the Right.
Anyway, just because there's a Left doesn't mean there is a "Right", any more than the existence of a South means there is a "North". (And there is neither a "Black" nor a "White".)
The main difference is disapproval of the vast changes in dogma and liturgy introduced by the second Vatican council un 1965. If the Latin mass was translated in English, it would still be different. Traditional Roman Catholics do not agree with the modernist and ecumenical trends of said council, though some attend “novus ordo” mass and not necessarily Latin mass. For those not familiar with RC history and dogmas, many off the new dogmas were rejected by the pre-Conciliar church.
For instance, the Tridentine catechism is not compatible with the current catechism.
You’re right there’s a lot of disagreement with the second Vatican council.
And a whole array of different groups that spun off.
Arguably the Second Vatican Council was a big mistake.Replies: @SFG, @DenverGregg, @BB753
For instance, the Tridentine catechism is not compatible with the current catechism.Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Frau Katze
Well, I know all of these things do have their importance in their own particular rather complicated way, but the Holy Spirit for whatever reason did not see fit to grant me the gift of spiritual or doctrinal wisdom or understanding (the Spirit did indeed grant me other gifts, for which I am grateful — but wisdom just ain’t one of them.)
So I’m sort of more of a Sermon on the Mount kind of fella. I’ll go with the peacemakers, and those who give to drink to those who are thirsty, and let the smart guys figure out the rest.
I was lame and did the PC thing and talked about it first. Of course, messages had been exchanged on OkC establishing this was a point of mutual interest. (There’s more than one reason to wear a necktie to a date…) But that was 20 years later.
There was an unintentionally funny article in the NYT about the popularity of choking among young people.
If you read the comments you could even see a few guys pointing out the ladies literally asked for it some of the time.
I never agreed to it. No way to carry it off safely and if something goes wrong you’re criminally liable. Even kinksters consider it ‘edge play’, i.e. dangerous.
https://twitter.com/JpLawrence3/status/1780323160992178477
He's a tradcath who was part of the atheism club in high school. Have you ever noticed that these tradcaths are ALWAYS converts from secular or protestant backgrounds? These people clearly have little to no contact with actual Catholicism practiced in actual churches. All they know is a "based" internet fantasy.Replies: @Frau Katze, @J.Ross, @DenverGregg, @Anon, @SFG
I mean, there are sayings about the enthusiasm of the convert. You’ve got something to prove after all. This applies to converts to progressivism as well, of course.
I remember seeing a Jewish joke about a guy whose dad tells him not to marry a non-Jewish girl. He does anyway, and then on Saturday his dad expects him to go over the receipts at the garment factory, but he says he can’t, because he has to go to temple.
Dad: “I told you not to marry a non-Jewish girl!”
There’s also a sort of rebellion aspect–an awful lot of porn stars from conservative religious backgrounds. So…if you’re rebelling against atheist progressivism, well, you’re going to find the most extreme form of Christianity you can, as opposed to an actual cradle Catholic for whom church is also about confirmations and gossip and that weird deacon and the annoying old lady who raises money for the church and fish fries, i.e. a source of community, good and bad.
But if it’s a way of sticking it to Mom? Well, you’re going to get into sedevacantism and Pius X and that guy who blames the decline of the Western on Blazing Saddles.
” shipping is still lagging a few weeks behind new orders”
I want my book and I want it now!
It is funny to see the health benefits of organic food on the list. I am your typical health food nut with twenty bottles of supplements and a kitchen full of organic food plus being an anti-vaxxer with a doctor phobia. My family and friends just find my nuttiness amusing and laugh at me.Replies: @Anon, @bomag
Agree.
It’s a form of enforced politeness, like not pointing out that someone is fat, or ugly, or walks funny.
But we’ve gotten rather cultish about this taboo, with demands that public policy bow down before it.
It takes a man of the Left to get done the major leaps to the Right.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
And vice versa, e.g., Nixon and China, Anthony Kennedy’s Hallmark card from SCOTUS… One side is already there, all it takes is a few renegades from the other.
Anyway, just because there’s a Left doesn’t mean there is a “Right”, any more than the existence of a South means there is a “North”. (And there is neither a “Black” nor a “White”.)
From the Mozilla Foundation:https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/its-official-cars-are-the-worst-product-category-we-have-ever-reviewed-for-privacy/
That would be your car, not mine, My faithful 12 year old Camry 3k shy of 250k miles, focuses on getting me from A to B .Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Just imagine a rewrite of “Paradise By the Dashboard Light”.
Which aria, speaking of Sirius (as the article does), that service recently broadcast on our main street’s PA system, long before kids’ bedtime. Perhaps the paucity of interest in sex among today’s young can be attributed to having heard and absorbed Mr Loaf’s plaint “I’m praying for the end of time so I can end my time with you” in the background at the convenience store so many times.
For instance, the Tridentine catechism is not compatible with the current catechism.Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Frau Katze
Wikipedia has a lengthy entry on trad Catholics.
You’re right there’s a lot of disagreement with the second Vatican council.
And a whole array of different groups that spun off.
Arguably the Second Vatican Council was a big mistake.
a good brief description of what went wrong during VII is at https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/02/vatican-ii-at-50-history-of-preparatory.html
two good longer discussions are the books The Rhine Flows into the Tiber by Ralph Wittgen (who was there) and Work of Human Hands by Fr. Anthony Cekada (who was not)Replies: @BB753, @Frau Katze
What's left of Rome? Not much. It has turned into a globalist NGO, doubling as a gigantic money-laundering bank hiding behind a phony pseudo-Christian religious façade.Replies: @Frau Katze
I can’t help noticing that in the UK, the book costs £25 plus £24 shipping. In contrast, if I order The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn from the (US) amazon.com, shipping is £6.45.
You’re right there’s a lot of disagreement with the second Vatican council.
And a whole array of different groups that spun off.
Arguably the Second Vatican Council was a big mistake.Replies: @SFG, @DenverGregg, @BB753
It certainly was a major jump to the left.
Put your hands on your hips....
This is half-true. Republicans are still the party of cutting Pfizer’s taxes.
And then a step to the right.
Put your hands on your hips….
You’re right there’s a lot of disagreement with the second Vatican council.
And a whole array of different groups that spun off.
Arguably the Second Vatican Council was a big mistake.Replies: @SFG, @DenverGregg, @BB753
i think that some sort of conclusion of Vatican I (interrupted by war) was necessary. given the explosive growth of the Church throughout much of the world in the mid century, TPTB likely figured that the sixties would be the last chance to gather the majority of the world’s bishops in one place.
a good brief description of what went wrong during VII is at https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/02/vatican-ii-at-50-history-of-preparatory.html
two good longer discussions are the books The Rhine Flows into the Tiber by Ralph Wittgen (who was there) and Work of Human Hands by Fr. Anthony Cekada (who was not)
If you read the comments you could even see a few guys pointing out the ladies literally asked for it some of the time.
I never agreed to it. No way to carry it off safely and if something goes wrong you're criminally liable. Even kinksters consider it 'edge play', i.e. dangerous.Replies: @JimDandy
It’s such nonsense–the phenomenon is young women having to ask the emasculated wimps of their generation to choke them, etc. “Kinksters” are fucking retard dorks who want to write the rulebook for what should be an organic act.
You’re right there’s a lot of disagreement with the second Vatican council.
And a whole array of different groups that spun off.
Arguably the Second Vatican Council was a big mistake.Replies: @SFG, @DenverGregg, @BB753
In the fifties, the RC church was captured as an institution by the State department, the CIA and big finance. That is what led to Vatican II. Which explains why the Vatican now parrots the green agenda, the great reset, 2030 Agenda, blesses same-sex couples, etc.
What’s left of Rome? Not much. It has turned into a globalist NGO, doubling as a gigantic money-laundering bank hiding behind a phony pseudo-Christian religious façade.
I’m not sure what caused the big shift. There was a lot of social ferment around the world in the 1960s.Replies: @BB753
The promo cheat code for free shipping (within the US*) remains STANCIL.
ha ha ha!
I’m in no hurry, have to read some other books still ahead of this one – but summer is coming soon.
I’m outraged that average group IQ differences are so taboo to be discussed. It avoids the tough work of policy that will reduce the problems of that truth, rather than arguments about censoring the truth.
We need far more help for low IQ folk who are willing to work and avoid crime — they deserve $10k -$50k more than dumb college grads who paid colleges to party for 4 years.
I was wondering what happened to my copy. I ordered it about a month ago and it still hasn’t arrived yet. But I just checked the tracking number and it’s currently in transit.
Greg Cochran had a series of a dozen or so blog posts spelling out the case for a “pathogen” cause of male homosexuality. It’s not at all a crazy idea, but Cochran has mostly concluded that it is unlikely, the last I heard.
Steve: Amazon says the book is a “perfect paperback.” Does this mean it’s perfectbound, not Smyth sewn in signatures? If so, the spine is going to crack when the glue dries and pages will fall out. There’s a place for perfectbinding, e.g. disposable novels and the like, but nowadays even dictionaries are perfectbound and fall apart with any sort of use. I assume the hard cover version was Smyth sewn, given the price.
In the old days a new book always meant the ritual of breaking in the spine by folding back pages from the outside to the inside on a flat table. Then you could open the book flat and there would be no damage or “memory” of a certain place in the book. With a perfectbound book this ritual will immediately crack the spine.
Lately I’m going ebook mostly. No delivery fees, no pages falling out.
I did order Steve’s luxury edition since it seems he’s not going to do an electronic version.
a good brief description of what went wrong during VII is at https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/02/vatican-ii-at-50-history-of-preparatory.html
two good longer discussions are the books The Rhine Flows into the Tiber by Ralph Wittgen (who was there) and Work of Human Hands by Fr. Anthony Cekada (who was not)Replies: @BB753, @Frau Katze
Vatican I took place in 1870. Since Vatican I and Vatican II are hardly compatible, I do not see the continuity. What’s more, the majority of Vatican II innovations were explicitly condemned during Vatican I.
a good brief description of what went wrong during VII is at https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/02/vatican-ii-at-50-history-of-preparatory.html
two good longer discussions are the books The Rhine Flows into the Tiber by Ralph Wittgen (who was there) and Work of Human Hands by Fr. Anthony Cekada (who was not)Replies: @BB753, @Frau Katze
Thanks for further reading tips. I’m out of response buttons.
Non-existent because prohibited.
Donald Westlake wrote a lot of good books. So did Lawrence Block.
Having just--unfortunately procrastinating--done our taxes last weekend watching the Masters, and looked at AnotherMom's Amazon 1099-K and her expenses ... damn. Basically. her business--while solidly profitable--serves mostly to make Bezos money.
Amazon is a great thing. AnotherMom would never have launched her invention as a real product in the before time. Amazon enabled that. And it enables all of us to search widely for what we want, no longer constrained by what some local chooses to stock. But they've got scale and heft--they serve as "the market"--and can really squeeze producers and rake in monopoly profits.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
How bad are Amazon’s fees? Worse than Apple’s 30%?
Block is a huge fan of Somerset Maugham. His fiction-writing manual held him up as a model.
What's left of Rome? Not much. It has turned into a globalist NGO, doubling as a gigantic money-laundering bank hiding behind a phony pseudo-Christian religious façade.Replies: @Frau Katze
The RC Church has a big presence outside the US. Do you have any hard information that they were captured by US organizations?
I’m not sure what caused the big shift. There was a lot of social ferment around the world in the 1960s.
https://books.google.nl/books/about/John_Courtney_Murray.html?id=iMzBsgEACAAJ&redir_esc=y( This book has been reprinted in two cheaper volumes) .Then there's the whole Operation Gladio which illustrates how the RC Church was just a cog in covert NATO operations.
https://archive.org/details/OperationGladioTheUnholyAllianceBetweenTheVaticanTheCIAAndTheMafiaReplies: @Frau Katze, @Pierre de Craon
It’s interesting to see what’s happened in the decades since.
I’m glad I have some readers out there! Thanks.
I agree about paperback book problems.
Lately I’m going ebook mostly. No delivery fees, no pages falling out.
I did order Steve’s luxury edition since it seems he’s not going to do an electronic version.
The changes over time, with technology, are interesting…
In “my day,” we all had to sort of find each other, but, as you know, we are so common that it wasn’t really that hard.
Part of the writing that I did back then was aimed at this very dilemma. My biggest principle was that all of this was more common than what the public illusions pretended. You know, now it seems like the very same phenomenon is happening with regard to all the stuff we concern ourselves with here.
Human populations sure do seem to like fooling themselves. I mean, they write books, set up government programs, write NYTimes articles, and manage entire networks to further what they would like to be true but isn’t. A big part of Steve’s schtick is showing this.
Well, you and I and most readers here know all of this.
I think the number is currently further from 100% than it has been in a long time.
I’m not sure what caused the big shift. There was a lot of social ferment around the world in the 1960s.Replies: @BB753
Hard evidence? Apart from our lying eyes, there’s quite a few scholarly writings on the subject.
David Wemhoff, a traditional Catholic, wrote this book which explains in detail how the CIA infiltrated the RC church during the Cold War as part of their policy to control religious institutions.
https://books.google.nl/books/about/John_Courtney_Murray.html?id=iMzBsgEACAAJ&redir_esc=y
( This book has been reprinted in two cheaper volumes) .
Then there’s the whole Operation Gladio which illustrates how the RC Church was just a cog in covert NATO operations.
https://archive.org/details/OperationGladioTheUnholyAllianceBetweenTheVaticanTheCIAAndTheMafia
https://books.google.nl/books/about/John_Courtney_Murray.html?id=iMzBsgEACAAJ&redir_esc=y( This book has been reprinted in two cheaper volumes) .Then there's the whole Operation Gladio which illustrates how the RC Church was just a cog in covert NATO operations.
https://archive.org/details/OperationGladioTheUnholyAllianceBetweenTheVaticanTheCIAAndTheMafiaReplies: @Frau Katze, @Pierre de Craon
I’ll check it out. I admit I’m not very familiar with the subject. Thanks for the references.
Can’t believe I’m asking, but what is a regional pornography girl? What is regional pornography?
I won’t name her publication. She owned it and edited it, and it was distributed in the Rocky Mountain region. She was Jewish, BTW. Every single time, right? LOL. She was a sweetheart to me and very tough in business. I saw that.
She sometimes appeared as a guest in media. When I was dating her, she appeared one day on a nationally syndicated TV talk show: Jenny Jones. The topic was women’s sexual fantasies. She described her favorite: Having sex in a window and being seen. I was familiar with that one, because she had previously checked us into a high-rise hotel in Denver where we had sex in the window with the curtains open — her idea, not mine.
This was way pre-internet, and there existed a variety of publications. Hers was a bit odd, and I knew it long before I met her. She laughed when I told her that I had masturbated to it. Dating her was a thrill.
Can’t believe I’m answering.
Spanking on the first date is less of a challenge than telling your wife of more than 20 years that she has crossed the line, and is getting a spanking after the kids are in bed.
I can tell you’re not Catholic, lol ( probably not even Christian)! But you don’t need to be Catholic to be interested in Rome. You can’t understand European history and geopolitics without a basic knowledge of the history of the Roman Catholic Church, a state in itself and a major player in power politics since the late XI th century to early XIXbth century.
I was raised atheist from a Protestant background and later converted to Eastern Orthodoxy.
I don’t want to hear your sob story–you do what you have to do, soldier!!!
Jones may roll pretty holy, but he is decidedly not a Traditionalist Catholic. Indeed, he has for almost sixty years been twisting himself into apologetic knots as he tries to sustain the pretense that the absurd and frequently abominable proclamations of the post–Vatican II popes, Frank the Fraud preeminently, can be reconciled with the content of the Faith handed down by the Apostles.
https://books.google.nl/books/about/John_Courtney_Murray.html?id=iMzBsgEACAAJ&redir_esc=y( This book has been reprinted in two cheaper volumes) .Then there's the whole Operation Gladio which illustrates how the RC Church was just a cog in covert NATO operations.
https://archive.org/details/OperationGladioTheUnholyAllianceBetweenTheVaticanTheCIAAndTheMafiaReplies: @Frau Katze, @Pierre de Craon
Yes, indeed: the place where genuine “noticing” begins.
With respect, I suggest that the invaluable writings of Léon de Poncins on the topic at hand constitute an even better place to start one’s reading. The most pertinent of them, Judaism and the Vatican, can now be read online for free at the Internet Archive.
I’ve ordered the book on Operation Gladio. I agree I should learn more about Roman Catholicism.
I was raised atheist from a Protestant background and later converted to Eastern Orthodoxy.
Pornographer? Ew … I hope you used protection (a glove)?