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From The Atlantic:

Letter to My Son

“Here is what I would like for you to know: In America, it is traditional to destroy the black body—it is heritage.”

TA-NEHISI COATES JUL 4, 2015

And have brought humanity to the edge of oblivion: because they think they are white.
—James Baldwin

Son,

Last Sunday the host of a popular news show asked me what it meant to lose my body. … When the host asked me about my body, her face faded from the screen, and was replaced by a scroll of words, written by me earlier that week.

The host read these words for the audience, and when she finished she turned to the subject of my body, although she did not mention it specifically. But by now I am accustomed to intelligent people asking about the condition of my body without realizing the nature of their request.

Okay …

I dunno, the condition of TNC’s body looks kind of meh to me.

But if you share TNC’s obsession with his body, you can have his body come orate to your group for a speaker’s honorarium ranging from “$10,700 – $16,800 based on 3 fee reports.”

 
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  1. Sweet Christ, he’s currently pinching his nipples!

  2. It must be nice to be paid to think and write about yourself all the time. I’m in the wrong line of work. 🙁

  3. Who is Ta-Nehisi Coates and is there any reason I should care?

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @anonymous

    TNC is the most prominent public intellectual calling for slavery reparations.

    You should care, because if the Democrats ever get the Presidency and Congress, they will carry out that plan.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Curle, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @JohnnyWalker123

    , @J1234
    @anonymous

    My thoughts exactly.

  4. I worry that men who think obsessively about their bodies will end up mutilating their bodies. I speak from experience (sort of). When I was a teenager, I had an acne scar on one of my cheeks, and for a period of months it was the substance of intrusive thoughts. Eventually I went to see a plastics surgeon who talked me out of doing any procedures, and after that the intrusive thoughts disappeared. But I gained compassion for men who think a lot about their bodies. When men write about, talk about, or photograph their bodies to an abnormal degree, I think: I know what it feels like to be you, and it is terrible.

    I wouldn’t be too surprised if TNC becomes a transgender person years or becomes a plastic surgery addict. Though I dislike his public persona, for TNC’s sake I hope this doesn’t occur.

  5. Astronomy has a term for ultracollapsed stars called “black holes”. That’s racist! Astronomy’s also got a term “black body radiation.” That’s gotta be racist, too. (Referring to a particular odor, maybe?)

    • Replies: @Glossy
    @JSM

    To me black body radiation is hip hop radio. Even if the bodies aren't carrying a boom box, you can usually hear it through their headphones.

    Replies: @JSM

    , @Honorary Thief
    @JSM

    Racism is woven into the fabric of the universe!

  6. My google fu is weak. Can someone find and link to the interview in question?

  7. advancedatheist [AKA "RedneckCryonicist"] says:

    Blacks apparently keep emphasizing their bodies because their minds don’t have much going for them.

    • Replies: @H2
    @advancedatheist

    It's the Patriarchy treating them like objects instead of human beings!

    , @alcogito
    @advancedatheist

    You care? I caught a glimpse of him on one of the network political shows on Sunday morning, and he said nothing worth listening to.

  8. e says:

    We are looking at the US Women’s Soccer team celebrate. We didn’t watch the match. Earlier saw photograph of the team, two rows of players, front row kneeling.

    Observation: if the way a woman kneels, runs, shakes hands, walks, etc. is any indication, Team Lesbian. It’s the Dinah Shore all over again, yet national soccer advocates are hoping they draw a goodly number of girls, I am sure straight, attractive girls, to soccer with this win. Yes, they’ll draw some, but they won’t be Mia Hamms.

    • Replies: @e
    @e

    Sorry, meant to say waaaaay OT.

    , @AnotherDad
    @e

    I kinda think it's impossible for a straight male--perhaps any male?--to have any serious interest in a women's sporting event that your daughter is not in.

    Replies: @SFG, @Dave Pinsen, @Vendetta

    , @Curle
    @e

    Hope Solo shows no signs of being a lesbian.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @e

    Abby Wombat (sp?) is a bulldike, but there are a few pretty and feminine women on the squad.

  9. Surely 5 figures is a steal when the speaker is, according to Noah Smith, better than Tolstoy: https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/617800804477571072

    • Replies: @5371
    @FredR

    Everyone assumes this Noah Smith is intelligent because of his ethnicity, his education and because he gets photographed in profile, but he's actually stupider than a bag of rocks.

    , @Neoconned
    @FredR

    Wow. Better than Tolstoy? Why do these SJW types all appear to be cast members of Revenge of the Nerds?

  10. “…Dad did what every parent I knew would have done—he reached for his belt. I remember watching him in a kind of daze, awed at the distance between punishment and offense. Later, I would hear it in Dad’s voice—“Either I can beat him, or the police.”

    IT’S REALLY THE WHITE MAN DOING THIS TO YOU, SON! I’M SO SORRY BUT THERE’S NO OTHER WAY!

  11. @e
    We are looking at the US Women's Soccer team celebrate. We didn't watch the match. Earlier saw photograph of the team, two rows of players, front row kneeling.

    Observation: if the way a woman kneels, runs, shakes hands, walks, etc. is any indication, Team Lesbian. It's the Dinah Shore all over again, yet national soccer advocates are hoping they draw a goodly number of girls, I am sure straight, attractive girls, to soccer with this win. Yes, they'll draw some, but they won't be Mia Hamms.

    Replies: @e, @AnotherDad, @Curle, @Dave Pinsen

    Sorry, meant to say waaaaay OT.

  12. @anonymous
    Who is Ta-Nehisi Coates and is there any reason I should care?

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @J1234

    TNC is the most prominent public intellectual calling for slavery reparations.

    You should care, because if the Democrats ever get the Presidency and Congress, they will carry out that plan.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Maj. Kong


    You should care, because if the Democrats ever get the Presidency and Congress, they will carry out that plan.

     

    Uh, they did get the Presidency and the Congress, in 2009.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    , @Anonymous
    @Maj. Kong


    TNC is the most prominent public intellectual
     
    "Intellectual"? Nah. All indications are that the guy is not very smart. Quite the opposite, in fact.

    Replies: @Ed

    , @Curle
    @Maj. Kong


    TNC is the most prominent public intellectual
     
    He's a public figure. Nothing more.
    , @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    @Maj. Kong

    Reparations predicated on accepting repatriation = best goddamn deal in the history of the universe!

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Maj. Kong

    This is ridiculous.

    Not just because Democrats haven't tried to ever seriously push reparations at any point (even when they controlled both the Congress and the White House), but because you're implying that we should be less scared of Republicans.

    From what I remember, Republicans and "moderate" Democrats pushed this nonsensical war in Iraq. This war was started for absolutely insane reasons like "weapons of mass destruction" (which were never found) and Iraq-911 ties (which were outright lies). The consequence of this Iraq War is $5 trillion in long-term expenditure, 1 million injuries of veterans, and about 5000 soldier deaths. The Congressional Black Caucaus and the large majority of blacks opposed this war from the beginning.

    Ta Nehisi Coates wants reparations of $34 billion/yr for 20 years. The total cost of that ($680 billion), is about 1/7th the cost of the Iraq War. It'd also be less destructive, as it could be done without any casualties and would at least result in a high percentage of the money being pumped into the US economy.

    Does that mean I support reparations? No.

    ....but let's be realistic. The Iraq idiocy of White-Americans has bankrupted our country. In comparison to the type of policies that the typical white civilian or leader supports, the reparations idea is not as remotely stupid.

    If Ta Nehisi Coates had run the US govt from 2001 to 2015, this country 's budget would probably be in better shape than it is currently.

    We can sit here and mock Coates for his obsession with blacks and reparations, but it's still less nonsensical than what we've seen from mainstream politcal leadership over the past 14 years.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Truth

  13. I read TNC’s article at the link.

    I don’t know what his IQ is, but he is clearly my equal as a writer, if not superior. I believe he believes what he is writing to be the truth.

    Of course, the vast majority of the pain and misfortune he describes in having grown up black are the primary results of blackness, not whiteness. And of course, to any reasonable person, the consequences of their own behavior that Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner and Michael Brown experienced are just that, no less and no more. However, blacks usually view these circumstances quite differently.

    What this tells me is that there is an unbridgeable gulf, a chasm, between his worldview and mine, between his people and my people.

    For my part, I have no guilt over anything whatsoever White people have ever done. I don’t believe in collective guilt. I don’t believe in social justice. Guilt and justice are individual things. But that said, I don’t believe Whites were wrong to come into what is now the United States, that they were wrong to settle the land, to increase their kind, and to do in three hundred years what the “indigenous” “Indians” could have never done in three millennia, three geologic eons perhaps. Whites, we whites, made some bad decisions along the way, but to take the land as one “Indian” tribe took it from another and to hold it, to establish ownership over it, and to make it productive, mine it, farm it, build factories and homes and railroads on it, was not wrong.

    One of our bad decisions was to allow the purchase and importation of Black slaves into our newly taken land. White people did not enslave the Blacks: they were purchased from other Blacks, who had practiced slavery for millennia before and apparently in some cases still do. Most whites owned no slaves, and indeed some were indentured servants whose status and condition was worse than that of slaves. But it was a bad idea because otherwise there would never have been a sizable population of blacks in North America.

    I believe the only way to make that right is to offer Blacks reparations. I believe Blacks should be offered a generous lump sum and a first class ticket out of the United States, for those who want it, a first class airline ticket back to Africa, or to anywhere else on the earth which will receive them, subject only to the condition they never set foot in the US again on pain of mandatory death sentence.

    Those who decline the offer will be told they will henceforth be held to the same standards as everyone else, and that no further complaining about their condition will be brooked. We will not listen to anything Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton have to say. We will not permit disparate impact as a reason for any policy or procedure to be challenged or changed, ever. There will be no Affirmative Action. While government programs will not racially discriminate, private businesses and individuals will not be told who they can or cannot hire, patronize, or associate with. We will implement a test for literacy and knowledge of the United States Constitution and government, in the English language, at a level any white sixth grader in 1950 would have been expected to be competent at, as a condition for voting, and we won’t regard wildly disproportionate rates of success on a racial basis as a sign the test is too hard or that it is biased.

    Of course, my plan won’t be implemented, and the reason it won’t is not because Blacks won’t permit it, but because other groups of nonblacks won’t permit it. Against the united will of white people, no other group can really prevail. So in that regard, Blacks are not our primary problem.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Former Darfur


    Whites, we whites, made some bad decisions along the way, but to take the land as one “Indian” tribe took it from another and to hold it, to establish ownership over it, and to make it productive, mine it, farm it, build factories and homes and railroads on it, was not wrong.
     
    Here is what people never discuss. If whites had never taken the New World lands, someone else would have for sure. Let's assume whites had never encountered the Western Hemisphere or Australia. If humanity entered the twentieth century with no one yet encountering the New World, don't you think that the Japanese, Chinese or any number of Arabs would have immediately jumped at the chance to claim and settle such a rich chunk of land?

    And given the level of development of North American and Australian aborigines in the year 1500, do you honestly think they would have advanced much further by the start of the twentieth century to be able to fend off a modernizing Japan? Would they be able to fend off the dynamo that is China of today?

    If the whites had never found those lands, others would have and colonized them just the same. There is no way the people of this world were ever going to leave that much pristine real estate to a few million hunter gatherers. Heck the people of the world today are refusing to leave this pristine real estate to a few hundred million white settlers. If we can't hold them back today, what chance do you think the aborigines would have? Yet people continue to believe that if not for whites, the aborigines of the New World would still be living free and occupying these vast tracts of land. No way, no how.

    Replies: @H2, @Anonymous

    , @Crassus
    @Former Darfur


    on pain of mandatory death sentence.

     

    Dapper Dan: As you say, you write well. You are obviously bright. This multiplies the loathsomeness of your joke about killing blacks. You could have made all the same points without making my skin crawl.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    , @Anonymous
    @Former Darfur

    You're also a standard deviation below a mean of 100?

    , @MPC
    @Former Darfur

    Ta is a pretty terrible writer, and I suspect he is thoroughly edited to get as readable as he is. To get a sense of Ta's intellect, watch the bloggingheads he did with McWhorter. It's really funny to watch McWhorter brutalize him verbally while Ta has that dazed-in-the-ring look that apparently never leaves him.

  14. @JSM
    Astronomy has a term for ultracollapsed stars called "black holes". That's racist! Astronomy's also got a term "black body radiation." That's gotta be racist, too. (Referring to a particular odor, maybe?)

    Replies: @Glossy, @Honorary Thief

    To me black body radiation is hip hop radio. Even if the bodies aren’t carrying a boom box, you can usually hear it through their headphones.

    • Replies: @JSM
    @Glossy

    LOL! Yes, I see it now. You are exactly right!

  15. Ta-Nehisi, short for “Takin’ it easy”.

  16. @advancedatheist
    Blacks apparently keep emphasizing their bodies because their minds don't have much going for them.

    Replies: @H2, @alcogito

    It’s the Patriarchy treating them like objects instead of human beings!

  17. Boko Haram, the Crips, the Bloods, Gangsta Disciples, etc love destroying Black bodies. I bet they have murdered more Black lives in the last 12 months than the KKK has throughout it’s entire existence.

  18. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    White people go to church so they can be told how sinful they are but if they act correctly they’ve still got a chance. Whites hire this character so they can be told the same thing. Please, can we just stop with this self-flagellation now? How much longer do we have to watch people whip themselves as in some of the more extreme religious processions? I’m guessing most of his money comes from whites because blacks wouldn’t pay anything since they expect everything to be free. Listening to people talk endlessly about themselves is truly boring.

  19. I know one thing about black bodies…

    White girls will walk over burning coals to be with one!

    • Replies: @Calogero
    @Anonymous

    You forgot to mention that at least 75 percent of those white women will be obese hillbillies who couldn't get a white man if they tried. A good percentage of those couldn't even get a Mestizo if they tried. If you don't believe me, take a ride through any poor white area that is turning into a black or Mexican area. All of the nice looking white women will be around white men and the ones who belong on " My 600 Pound Life "will be pushing around a carriage with a mulatto child in it.

    , @Honorary Thief
    @Anonymous

    I "loled" at that.

    , @dcite
    @Anonymous

    Whiskey, I mean Looking, finding someone attractive objectively (especially when you're supposed to), and being attracted to them, is not the same thing. And I'm sure, in all fairness, the same is probably true from the black pov. From Jane Goodall's observations, in any primate troop , about 3% are attracted to go looking outside their group for a paramour. Usually it ends badly, apparently. 97% have no such pressing urge.

  20. @e
    We are looking at the US Women's Soccer team celebrate. We didn't watch the match. Earlier saw photograph of the team, two rows of players, front row kneeling.

    Observation: if the way a woman kneels, runs, shakes hands, walks, etc. is any indication, Team Lesbian. It's the Dinah Shore all over again, yet national soccer advocates are hoping they draw a goodly number of girls, I am sure straight, attractive girls, to soccer with this win. Yes, they'll draw some, but they won't be Mia Hamms.

    Replies: @e, @AnotherDad, @Curle, @Dave Pinsen

    I kinda think it’s impossible for a straight male–perhaps any male?–to have any serious interest in a women’s sporting event that your daughter is not in.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @AnotherDad

    Oh, BS. You've got relatively cute girls playing volleyball, I'm interested in that. ;)

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @AnotherDad

    Plenty of straight males beside their fathers watch Caroline Wozniacki, Rhonda Rousey, etc.

    , @Vendetta
    @AnotherDad

    Depends if the women playing are the kind who could be pinup models. Guys will watch it for the eye candy but they're not about to become serious fans.

    Women's gymnastics at the Olympics is about the only women's sport I'll watch for the merits of the performance.

  21. “Black black black blackity black black black. Reparations. Black blackity black black….black black” — Ta-Nahisi Coates

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @FozzieT

    "“Black black black blackity black black black. Reparations. Black blackity black black….black black” — Ta-Nahisi Coates"

    I bet Ta Nahisi Coates favorite song of all time is Fight The Power by Public Enemy.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnS53fNfpkE

    And I bet this is his favorite verse in that song.



    ELVIS WAS A HERO TO MOST
    BUT HE NEVER MEANT SHIT TO ME YOU SEE
    STRAIGHT UP RACIST THAT SUCKER WAS
    SIMPLE AND PLAIN
    MOTHER FUCK HIM AND JOHN WAYNE
    CAUSE I'M BLACK AND I'M PROUD

  22. anon • Disclaimer says:

    If you haven’t, click through to Coates’ Atlantic article. I made it through four or five paragraphs and couldn’t take anymore, so started scrolling to the end. And it just kept going and going.

    The modern SJW cocoon sure breeds a self-obsessed narcissism that has maybe never been equaled in human history.

  23. iSteveFan says:
    @Former Darfur
    I read TNC's article at the link.

    I don't know what his IQ is, but he is clearly my equal as a writer, if not superior. I believe he believes what he is writing to be the truth.

    Of course, the vast majority of the pain and misfortune he describes in having grown up black are the primary results of blackness, not whiteness. And of course, to any reasonable person, the consequences of their own behavior that Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner and Michael Brown experienced are just that, no less and no more. However, blacks usually view these circumstances quite differently.

    What this tells me is that there is an unbridgeable gulf, a chasm, between his worldview and mine, between his people and my people.

    For my part, I have no guilt over anything whatsoever White people have ever done. I don't believe in collective guilt. I don't believe in social justice. Guilt and justice are individual things. But that said, I don't believe Whites were wrong to come into what is now the United States, that they were wrong to settle the land, to increase their kind, and to do in three hundred years what the "indigenous" "Indians" could have never done in three millennia, three geologic eons perhaps. Whites, we whites, made some bad decisions along the way, but to take the land as one "Indian" tribe took it from another and to hold it, to establish ownership over it, and to make it productive, mine it, farm it, build factories and homes and railroads on it, was not wrong.

    One of our bad decisions was to allow the purchase and importation of Black slaves into our newly taken land. White people did not enslave the Blacks: they were purchased from other Blacks, who had practiced slavery for millennia before and apparently in some cases still do. Most whites owned no slaves, and indeed some were indentured servants whose status and condition was worse than that of slaves. But it was a bad idea because otherwise there would never have been a sizable population of blacks in North America.

    I believe the only way to make that right is to offer Blacks reparations. I believe Blacks should be offered a generous lump sum and a first class ticket out of the United States, for those who want it, a first class airline ticket back to Africa, or to anywhere else on the earth which will receive them, subject only to the condition they never set foot in the US again on pain of mandatory death sentence.

    Those who decline the offer will be told they will henceforth be held to the same standards as everyone else, and that no further complaining about their condition will be brooked. We will not listen to anything Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton have to say. We will not permit disparate impact as a reason for any policy or procedure to be challenged or changed, ever. There will be no Affirmative Action. While government programs will not racially discriminate, private businesses and individuals will not be told who they can or cannot hire, patronize, or associate with. We will implement a test for literacy and knowledge of the United States Constitution and government, in the English language, at a level any white sixth grader in 1950 would have been expected to be competent at, as a condition for voting, and we won't regard wildly disproportionate rates of success on a racial basis as a sign the test is too hard or that it is biased.

    Of course, my plan won't be implemented, and the reason it won't is not because Blacks won't permit it, but because other groups of nonblacks won't permit it. Against the united will of white people, no other group can really prevail. So in that regard, Blacks are not our primary problem.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Crassus, @Anonymous, @MPC

    Whites, we whites, made some bad decisions along the way, but to take the land as one “Indian” tribe took it from another and to hold it, to establish ownership over it, and to make it productive, mine it, farm it, build factories and homes and railroads on it, was not wrong.

    Here is what people never discuss. If whites had never taken the New World lands, someone else would have for sure. Let’s assume whites had never encountered the Western Hemisphere or Australia. If humanity entered the twentieth century with no one yet encountering the New World, don’t you think that the Japanese, Chinese or any number of Arabs would have immediately jumped at the chance to claim and settle such a rich chunk of land?

    And given the level of development of North American and Australian aborigines in the year 1500, do you honestly think they would have advanced much further by the start of the twentieth century to be able to fend off a modernizing Japan? Would they be able to fend off the dynamo that is China of today?

    If the whites had never found those lands, others would have and colonized them just the same. There is no way the people of this world were ever going to leave that much pristine real estate to a few million hunter gatherers. Heck the people of the world today are refusing to leave this pristine real estate to a few hundred million white settlers. If we can’t hold them back today, what chance do you think the aborigines would have? Yet people continue to believe that if not for whites, the aborigines of the New World would still be living free and occupying these vast tracts of land. No way, no how.

    • Replies: @H2
    @iSteveFan

    Adding on, countries and tribes have been conquering each other since the beginning of civilization. How many countries have apologized to the defeated? No one has to say that the early Americans were saints. The point is that they were the ancestors of the country and culture we're living in and that's why we honor them. One has to belong to some group, culture, or country; the globalist dream is not real.

    , @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide. It seems that many excuse colonization and genocide by pointing to the development, advancement, and accomplishments. Does it ever occur to anyone making this argument that regardless of how primitive a society is, their culture still permits most people to live a full life that strums every emotional chord?

    Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?

    Yes, war, invasions, disease, etc. all those bad things are real and they happen. And, there's nothing wrong with wanting redress. The level of callousness evident in your post is shared by those wanting white genocide.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @syonredux, @penntothal, @Hippopotamusdrome, @anon, @JSM, @Curle

  24. it is easier on my brain if i look at tnc and the whole bgi as an updated version of a minstrel show without the need for makeup. mammy vs reparations.

  25. Somewhat off-topic, but Noah Smith has written this nutty screed:
    http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-forsaken.html
    And has officially decided to ban any and all dissenting comments. So you can’t comment there anymore, Steve. And neither can any other iSteve commentator.
    I have written a story to counter his narrative here:
    http://againstjebelallawz.wordpress.com/2015/07/04/a-strange-utopia/

    • Replies: @C. Van Carter
    @E. Harding

    Noah is trying to profit off negro victimhood.

    , @MEH 0910
    @E. Harding


    Somewhat off-topic, but Noah Smith has written this nutty screed:

    http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-forsaken.html

    And has officially decided to ban any and all dissenting comments. So you can’t comment there anymore, Steve. And neither can any other iSteve commentator.

     

    Ron Unz has introduced a solution to the problem of banned dissenting comments:

    Open Forum: Crowdsourced Posts and Comment Threads

    Over the last year or so, the commenting technology I have developed has proven itself quite useful in facilitating discussions. But in most cases, these exchanges has been limited to the particular articles and topics selected by our various bloggers and other writers. At times, various commenters have complained about the lack of coverage afforded to particular issues.

    Meanwhile, other commenters have complained about the heavy censorship demonstrated at other media outlets and the growing tendency of many web publications to severely restrict comments or eliminate them altogether.

    Given these twin problems, an obvious and natural solution presented itself: adding an “Open Forum” section, in which readers themselves can provide suggested media stories for discussion and critique, utilizing the same commenting technology employed elsewhere on this website. Perhaps an article elsewhere may make foolish claims, defending those mistaken ideas by the censor’s pen, but once that article is provided as a post, in excerpt/link-back format, the buzz-saw of our regular commenters can quickly demolish the idea, providing a go-to location for individuals who wish to get the other side of the story. So if others restrict the commentary on their articles, we can easily fill that gap.
     
  26. Actually, I’ve always had the impression that these days the value of a typical adult human body was something like $1M when properly dissembled and sold off as liver, kidneys, thumbs, corneas, that sort of thing, just like Larry Niven has been writing about for the last half-century. So don’t let anyone tell you that some people are just totally worthless…

    Since that silly writer with a very weird name seems overwhelmingly African, perhaps some tissue incompatiblity issues might reduce his personal value, especially if he’s absorbed lots of illegal drugs over the years. But it’s difficult to believe that his prized “black body” isn’t worth at least $500,000 when sold on the open market…

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Ron Unz

    Oh, stop your sniping, Unz, and make a solid business decision; you'd have to pay him more than Derbyshire, Sailer, and Reed,(combined) but it would be worth it to add him to the site: Imagine the international publicity!

    Replies: @BurplesonAFB, @Dave Pinsen, @Eric Ruttencutter

    , @Anonymous
    @Ron Unz

    Ron....think you mean 'properly disassembled'. It's the MSM whose outpouring on black on white crime are 'properly dissembled'....

  27. @ Ron Unz
    -Doesn’t the removal of some body parts lead to a quicker deterioration of the others, though, preventing the body from ever reaching its full value? Also, aren’t some blood types (e.g., O-) worth more than others?

  28. @AnotherDad
    @e

    I kinda think it's impossible for a straight male--perhaps any male?--to have any serious interest in a women's sporting event that your daughter is not in.

    Replies: @SFG, @Dave Pinsen, @Vendetta

    Oh, BS. You’ve got relatively cute girls playing volleyball, I’m interested in that. 😉

  29. on the minstrel stuff see nytpbsmsnbc et al:

    >Minstrel shows were popular before slavery was abolished, sufficiently so that Frederick Douglass described blackface performers as “…the filthy scum of white society, who have stolen from us a complexion denied them by nature, in which to make money, and pander to the corrupt taste of their white fellow citizens.”<

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minstrel_show#Early_development

  30. SFG says:

    You know, the problem with his article is that it’s totally steeped in postmodernist jargon.

    What he’s really saying is that black people are victims of racism. I don’t even disagree, even as I also admit they do the same thing to whites they catch when they have the chance. But he puts it in the academic jargon of ‘black bodies being the object of attacks’, making some fairly effective descriptions of violence sound like some pomo seminar.

    Hey, ‘N-acetyl-p-aminophenol’ is a lot less snappy than ‘Tylenol’, but at least it tells you exactly what’s in the stuff. But pomo jargon?

    • Replies: @E. Harding
    @SFG

    I've noticed. Postmodernist lingo is rhetoric stripped from meaning.

    , @BurplesonAFB
    @SFG

    Gavin McInnes described PoMo humanities degrees as being like law degrees, except that people will actually pay you to use the weird jargon you learn in a law degree in courtrooms and contracts.

  31. @SFG
    You know, the problem with his article is that it's totally steeped in postmodernist jargon.


    What he's really saying is that black people are victims of racism. I don't even disagree, even as I also admit they do the same thing to whites they catch when they have the chance. But he puts it in the academic jargon of 'black bodies being the object of attacks', making some fairly effective descriptions of violence sound like some pomo seminar.

    Hey, 'N-acetyl-p-aminophenol' is a lot less snappy than 'Tylenol', but at least it tells you exactly what's in the stuff. But pomo jargon?

    Replies: @E. Harding, @BurplesonAFB

    I’ve noticed. Postmodernist lingo is rhetoric stripped from meaning.

  32. John Derbyshire said it best:

    For many American blacks, especially elite blacks like the Obamas, nothing exists outside their own blackness. Their blackness is endlessly interesting, endlessly fascinating to them. They can never get enough of thinking about it, talking about it, reading and writing about it.

    If they write a book, it’s about their blackness: Barack Obama’s Dreams from My Father, for example. If they write a college paper, it’s about their blackness: Mrs Obama’s Princeton thesis, for example, the seven words of whose title contain the word “black” twice. If they read a book, it’s about blackness. I’ve spent many, many hours riding the New York subway. Sitting next to a black person who’s reading a book, I take a peek: two times out of three it’s some black author writing about blackness.

    Black black blackety-blackety-black. It fills their consciousness and absorbs their attention. What on earth must it be like to so trapped like that, such a prisoner of your own skin? I can’t imagine. I guess, just as the T-shirt slogan says: It’s a black thing; I wouldn’t understand.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @The Z Blog

    Black gal at the office. No matter what the sport, she's only interested in the black athletes. Expressed interest in the US Open until Tiger dropped out. Cares only for women's tennis if it involves a Williams sister. Music stops and ends with blacks.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Laugh Track
    @The Z Blog

    Narcissism has many causes, and surely one (or more) of them is a visceral feeling of being disrespected (dissed, as they say), unappreciated, threatened, or dismissed. If that is assumed to be for racial reasons ("I'm black and therefore considered inferior"), you've got a person with severe self-esteem issues.

    It's not surprising then that the psychological defense against this feeling of perceived inferiority is to fixate on boosting one's self image, on paying special attention to one's body (or those in your category), or on drawing attention to one's self whenever possible.

    It is merely a hunch (I'm no qualified psychologist), but I think this is at the root of much of the narcissism of the "oppressed" out there, be they black, brown, gay, queer, female, or overweight. It comes from a feeling of being unloved (exacerbated perhaps by the absence of one or both parents when growing up). This may lead to the cliche of "looking for love in all the wrong places." Or it may lead to turning one's fears and anxieties into hostility towards those perceived as dissing one's self.

    I'm not sure what the solution to this may be, but I suspect it isn't reparations or bureaucratic maneuvers or having academic departments devoted to your social category. Perhaps, like many things in life, there is no solution. Or, more to the point, most proposed solutions only make it worse. This is where I think we find ourselves at present.

    , @Rob McX
    @The Z Blog

    The first step towards a solution would be for others to stop pandering to and encouraging this narcissism.

    , @Kylie
    @The Z Blog


    John Derbyshire said it best:

    For many American blacks, especially elite blacks like the Obamas, nothing exists outside their own blackness.
     
    It's not just American blacks. It's blacks, period. I watch movies from all over the world. Despite cultural differences between American movies and movies from Japan, China, S. Korea, Russia, Germany, Iran, etc. I can easily find things I identify with or recognize. It's fun to see how similar people are even when they come from very different cultures.

    Bearing that in mind, a few years ago I watched a movie from some African nation. What a mistake. It was about some rural woman who'd contracted AIDS from caring for her sick husband. Incredibly, it somehow managed to be all about being black. I simply could not identify with the characters or their predicament at all. I've been able to identify with a family of Kurdish orphans struggling to survive (Iranian: A Time for Drunken Horses), a victim of wartime rape (Russian: The Cranes are Flying), even a transgender man trying to win back his lover (S. Korea: Rainbow Eyes) But the African movie bored me stiff, probably because I'm not black.
  33. @E. Harding
    Somewhat off-topic, but Noah Smith has written this nutty screed:
    http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-forsaken.html
    And has officially decided to ban any and all dissenting comments. So you can't comment there anymore, Steve. And neither can any other iSteve commentator.
    I have written a story to counter his narrative here:
    http://againstjebelallawz.wordpress.com/2015/07/04/a-strange-utopia/

    Replies: @C. Van Carter, @MEH 0910

    Noah is trying to profit off negro victimhood.

  34. H2 says:
    @iSteveFan
    @Former Darfur


    Whites, we whites, made some bad decisions along the way, but to take the land as one “Indian” tribe took it from another and to hold it, to establish ownership over it, and to make it productive, mine it, farm it, build factories and homes and railroads on it, was not wrong.
     
    Here is what people never discuss. If whites had never taken the New World lands, someone else would have for sure. Let's assume whites had never encountered the Western Hemisphere or Australia. If humanity entered the twentieth century with no one yet encountering the New World, don't you think that the Japanese, Chinese or any number of Arabs would have immediately jumped at the chance to claim and settle such a rich chunk of land?

    And given the level of development of North American and Australian aborigines in the year 1500, do you honestly think they would have advanced much further by the start of the twentieth century to be able to fend off a modernizing Japan? Would they be able to fend off the dynamo that is China of today?

    If the whites had never found those lands, others would have and colonized them just the same. There is no way the people of this world were ever going to leave that much pristine real estate to a few million hunter gatherers. Heck the people of the world today are refusing to leave this pristine real estate to a few hundred million white settlers. If we can't hold them back today, what chance do you think the aborigines would have? Yet people continue to believe that if not for whites, the aborigines of the New World would still be living free and occupying these vast tracts of land. No way, no how.

    Replies: @H2, @Anonymous

    Adding on, countries and tribes have been conquering each other since the beginning of civilization. How many countries have apologized to the defeated? No one has to say that the early Americans were saints. The point is that they were the ancestors of the country and culture we’re living in and that’s why we honor them. One has to belong to some group, culture, or country; the globalist dream is not real.

  35. @Former Darfur
    I read TNC's article at the link.

    I don't know what his IQ is, but he is clearly my equal as a writer, if not superior. I believe he believes what he is writing to be the truth.

    Of course, the vast majority of the pain and misfortune he describes in having grown up black are the primary results of blackness, not whiteness. And of course, to any reasonable person, the consequences of their own behavior that Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner and Michael Brown experienced are just that, no less and no more. However, blacks usually view these circumstances quite differently.

    What this tells me is that there is an unbridgeable gulf, a chasm, between his worldview and mine, between his people and my people.

    For my part, I have no guilt over anything whatsoever White people have ever done. I don't believe in collective guilt. I don't believe in social justice. Guilt and justice are individual things. But that said, I don't believe Whites were wrong to come into what is now the United States, that they were wrong to settle the land, to increase their kind, and to do in three hundred years what the "indigenous" "Indians" could have never done in three millennia, three geologic eons perhaps. Whites, we whites, made some bad decisions along the way, but to take the land as one "Indian" tribe took it from another and to hold it, to establish ownership over it, and to make it productive, mine it, farm it, build factories and homes and railroads on it, was not wrong.

    One of our bad decisions was to allow the purchase and importation of Black slaves into our newly taken land. White people did not enslave the Blacks: they were purchased from other Blacks, who had practiced slavery for millennia before and apparently in some cases still do. Most whites owned no slaves, and indeed some were indentured servants whose status and condition was worse than that of slaves. But it was a bad idea because otherwise there would never have been a sizable population of blacks in North America.

    I believe the only way to make that right is to offer Blacks reparations. I believe Blacks should be offered a generous lump sum and a first class ticket out of the United States, for those who want it, a first class airline ticket back to Africa, or to anywhere else on the earth which will receive them, subject only to the condition they never set foot in the US again on pain of mandatory death sentence.

    Those who decline the offer will be told they will henceforth be held to the same standards as everyone else, and that no further complaining about their condition will be brooked. We will not listen to anything Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton have to say. We will not permit disparate impact as a reason for any policy or procedure to be challenged or changed, ever. There will be no Affirmative Action. While government programs will not racially discriminate, private businesses and individuals will not be told who they can or cannot hire, patronize, or associate with. We will implement a test for literacy and knowledge of the United States Constitution and government, in the English language, at a level any white sixth grader in 1950 would have been expected to be competent at, as a condition for voting, and we won't regard wildly disproportionate rates of success on a racial basis as a sign the test is too hard or that it is biased.

    Of course, my plan won't be implemented, and the reason it won't is not because Blacks won't permit it, but because other groups of nonblacks won't permit it. Against the united will of white people, no other group can really prevail. So in that regard, Blacks are not our primary problem.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Crassus, @Anonymous, @MPC

    on pain of mandatory death sentence.

    Dapper Dan: As you say, you write well. You are obviously bright. This multiplies the loathsomeness of your joke about killing blacks. You could have made all the same points without making my skin crawl.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Crassus

    It wasn't a joke. The black recipients would agree never to come back as a condition of receiving the money, and it would be clearly explained that it was a one way proposition. It would take a constitutional amendment to implement reparations, and such amendment could include the death sentence for breaking this agreement.....which is the only way it would work.

    Replies: @Crassus

  36. @FozzieT
    "Black black black blackity black black black. Reparations. Black blackity black black....black black" -- Ta-Nahisi Coates

    Replies: @Jefferson

    ““Black black black blackity black black black. Reparations. Black blackity black black….black black” — Ta-Nahisi Coates”

    I bet Ta Nahisi Coates favorite song of all time is Fight The Power by Public Enemy.

    And I bet this is his favorite verse in that song.

    ELVIS WAS A HERO TO MOST
    BUT HE NEVER MEANT SHIT TO ME YOU SEE
    STRAIGHT UP RACIST THAT SUCKER WAS
    SIMPLE AND PLAIN
    MOTHER FUCK HIM AND JOHN WAYNE
    CAUSE I’M BLACK AND I’M PROUD

  37. btw here’s the slatest from Pulitzer comedy authority & self-anointed Kardashian sister, Wesley Morris, who just penned the most predictable review since David Manning’s heyday
    http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/hump-day-the-utterly-omg-magic-mike-xxl/

  38. Now, the heirs of slaveholders could never directly acknowledge our beauty or reckon with its power. And so the beauty of the black body was never celebrated in movies, in television, or in the textbooks I’d seen as a child.

    I’d find this passage more tolerable if a woman wrote it; coming from a man, it seems oddly effeminate.

    Then again, ours is an effeminate age, so perhaps TNC’s desire for his beauty to be celebrated is entirely normative.

    • Replies: @anon
    @syonredux

    Yeah I'm sensing some lavender here: Caitlin Coates?

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @syonredux

    When Coates was a child, one of Hollywood's top leading men, universally considered handsome, was Denzel Washington. One of the world's most famous model/actresses was Iman.

    Maybe he just didn't see many movies? 30 years earlier, Obama's mother had no trouble finding filmic celebrations of black bodies in Black Orpheus.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  39. Blacks writing about themselves and their problems has a long history, so TNC can’t really be accused of being unusual in his focus on his body and its travails.Still, I can’t help but think that Frederick Douglas did it better.Of course, he had a much more interesting and eventful life to write about…..

  40. @syonredux

    Now, the heirs of slaveholders could never directly acknowledge our beauty or reckon with its power. And so the beauty of the black body was never celebrated in movies, in television, or in the textbooks I’d seen as a child.
     
    I'd find this passage more tolerable if a woman wrote it; coming from a man, it seems oddly effeminate.

    Then again, ours is an effeminate age, so perhaps TNC's desire for his beauty to be celebrated is entirely normative.

    Replies: @anon, @Dave Pinsen

    Yeah I’m sensing some lavender here: Caitlin Coates?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @anon

    "Yeah I’m sensing some lavender here: Caitlin Coates?"

    He is a down low Brotha.

  41. In search of gems I forced myself to read the whole thing, and found two I really enjoyed.

    “The fear lived on in their practiced bop, their slouching denim, their big T- shirts, the calculated angle of their baseball caps, a catalog of behaviors and garments enlisted to inspire the belief that these boys were in firm possession of everything they desired.”

    If a white person wrote that sentence it would indicate a mind gone horribly wrong.

    “And yet I knew that in 1859 we were enslaved and in 1865 we were not, and what happened to us in those years struck me as having some amount of import.”

    Do tell.

    • Replies: @anon
    @C. Van Carter


    The fear lived on...
     
    Urgh you made me read it to check the context.

    This is total BS.

    The fear is of gang bangers.

    While there's at least one white kid left the nerdy black kids are relatively safe because the gang bangers will target the white kids. As soon as the last white kid is gone all the nerdy black kids have to act gangsta or they become the next target.

    (It's yet another thing that shows everything the media says on this subject is a pack of lies. Nerdy black kids would much rather risk being hassled by cops for acting gangsta than they'd risk becoming the target of the local black gang for *not* acting gangsta.)

  42. @Crassus
    @Former Darfur


    on pain of mandatory death sentence.

     

    Dapper Dan: As you say, you write well. You are obviously bright. This multiplies the loathsomeness of your joke about killing blacks. You could have made all the same points without making my skin crawl.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    It wasn’t a joke. The black recipients would agree never to come back as a condition of receiving the money, and it would be clearly explained that it was a one way proposition. It would take a constitutional amendment to implement reparations, and such amendment could include the death sentence for breaking this agreement…..which is the only way it would work.

    • Replies: @Crassus
    @Former Darfur


    such amendment could include the death sentence for breaking this agreement.....which is really the only way it would work.

     

    Assuming we could get a bunch of guys like Hitler in office, which truly is the only way it would work…
    why not start by sending away convicted murderers and rapists whose prison terms are up? Then send away larcenists and arsonists. Next kick out all depressed males (regardless of race) between the ages of 15 and 25. Then eject everyone with a diagnosed personality disorder. After this, give the boot to anyone who has ever visited a rehab facility. Finally, we could work our way down to high school students with GPAs below 3.0 and people with a net worth of less than a million dollars. But if the goal is to create a more peaceful and prosperous society, the first people to deport would be guys like Hitler.

    Replies: @Dapper Dan, @Sparkling Wiggle

  43. Hepp says:

    You know, it’s funny. When you read what passed for intellectual thought 100+ years ago, it’s amazing to contrast with modern writers. At best, it’s just a series of opinions that could’ve been written by any blogger. At worst, it’s incoherent nonsense, like Foucault or Hagel.

    Today, if you’re white and you want to be an intellectual, you need to present statistical data or do some serious archival research. But if you’re black, you can still just navel gaze and be considered a great thinker. That’s the appeal of this identity politics stuff. People too lazy or stupid to make their mark on the world in other ways can still be considered profound if they’re part of a favored minority group.

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    @Hepp


    When you read what passed for intellectual thought 100+ years ago, it’s amazing to contrast with modern writers.
     
    Yeah, you may not have agreed with writers like H.G. Wells, William James or Bertrand Russell. But they did come across as well read, intelligent and thoughtful.

    Wells, especially, took human biodiversity seriously, and he wanted to intervene to improve the breed:

    And the ethical system of these men of the New Republic, the ethical system which will dominate the world state, will be shaped primarily to favour the procreation of what is fine and efficient and beautiful in humanity—beautiful and strong bodies, clear and powerful minds, and a growing body of knowledge—and to check the procreation of base and servile types, of fear-driven and cowardly souls, of all that is mean and ugly and bestial in the souls, bodies, or habits of men.
     
    And keep in mind that Wells considered himself a man of the left. It would probably disgust him to see how modern progressives have embraced the all the meanness, ugliness and bestiality in the left's preferred victim and client groups.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Hepp

    The quality of our white national opinion journalists is very low. The majority of them were supporters of the completely insane (and disastrous) Iraq War. They also have been huge supporters of free trade, immigration, financialization, ruinous levels of public spending, and other absurd policies.

    "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction."
    "Wall-Street bankers are job creators."
    "Immigrants do jobs Americans won't do."
    "We need a guest-worker program to alleviate worker shortages."
    "NAFTA created jobs."
    "Israel is our most loyal ally."
    "Obama threw Israel under the bust."

    When that constitutes the mainstream of American thinking, what does that say about our intelligentsia?

    Coates deserves all the criticism directed at him, but the quality of his thought is not particularly bad in comparison to his fellow writers. I don't want to sound like I'm defending him, but it's unfair to claim that he's much worse than the typical white writer.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

  44. @anon
    @syonredux

    Yeah I'm sensing some lavender here: Caitlin Coates?

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Yeah I’m sensing some lavender here: Caitlin Coates?”

    He is a down low Brotha.

  45. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @C. Van Carter
    In search of gems I forced myself to read the whole thing, and found two I really enjoyed.

    "The fear lived on in their practiced bop, their slouching denim, their big T- shirts, the calculated angle of their baseball caps, a catalog of behaviors and garments enlisted to inspire the belief that these boys were in firm possession of everything they desired."

    If a white person wrote that sentence it would indicate a mind gone horribly wrong.

    “And yet I knew that in 1859 we were enslaved and in 1865 we were not, and what happened to us in those years struck me as having some amount of import.”

    Do tell.

    Replies: @anon

    The fear lived on…

    Urgh you made me read it to check the context.

    This is total BS.

    The fear is of gang bangers.

    While there’s at least one white kid left the nerdy black kids are relatively safe because the gang bangers will target the white kids. As soon as the last white kid is gone all the nerdy black kids have to act gangsta or they become the next target.

    (It’s yet another thing that shows everything the media says on this subject is a pack of lies. Nerdy black kids would much rather risk being hassled by cops for acting gangsta than they’d risk becoming the target of the local black gang for *not* acting gangsta.)

  46. If a body meet a body going to the Spokane NAACP,
    If a body kiss a body, need a body endorse constrictive gender norms

  47. Other than Steve, who reads The Atlantic any longer?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @e

    Do you listen to tax-funded National Public Radio? Articles in the Atlantic provide fodder for a lot of their programming. They consider it an unimpeachable source, like the New Yorker. Also, if you have any contact with liberals through social media you'll know that they regard Ta-Nehisi Coates as a profound thinker, like Neil deGrasse Tyson.

    , @Lurker
    @e

    They've banned my latest Disqus ID so I don't bother.

  48. @Maj. Kong
    @anonymous

    TNC is the most prominent public intellectual calling for slavery reparations.

    You should care, because if the Democrats ever get the Presidency and Congress, they will carry out that plan.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Curle, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @JohnnyWalker123

    You should care, because if the Democrats ever get the Presidency and Congress, they will carry out that plan.

    Uh, they did get the Presidency and the Congress, in 2009.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @Reg Cæsar

    Obama decided to focus upon healthcare, and then took Michelle's advice rather than Rahm's.

    There were also a number of 'Blue Dogs' in that D caucus. By 2020, if the GOP still has Congress and hasn't caved on amnesty, a left-wing President's DOJ will order the states to redistrict in favor of the Democrats. That caucus will be almost entirely liberal.

  49. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I think there is a little too much attributing of or fruitless seeking after intrinsic gnosis in the realm of black culture going on here. It’s easier to understand as a symptom of a more broadly fad-driven or rather fashion-enslaved society, inside which nth gen descendants of slaves with varying “hybrid vigor” have an unexpected but demonstrable agility for quickly generating/prototyping & scaling out viral trends to mass audience. If the worst dregs of black society weren’t around, we’d just all be imitating some other body; if Middle America weren’t so ardently devoted to (not to say “in the grip of”) glamour, the status-combat mode of the entertainment biz, and its pervasive frivolity then the #BBHMM demimonde would be as harmless or at least non-consequential as the craft brew scene. It’s counterintuitive when people hear how much time/money they’d save by not participating in this trend-consumption hamster wheel, since now it’s infected the universities and corporate boardrooms too. Everybody suddenly bought into the parody of the Joe Isuzu pitchman that we used to be inoculated against; then again, the country’s become dumber for sure.

  50. @Maj. Kong
    @anonymous

    TNC is the most prominent public intellectual calling for slavery reparations.

    You should care, because if the Democrats ever get the Presidency and Congress, they will carry out that plan.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Curle, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @JohnnyWalker123

    TNC is the most prominent public intellectual

    “Intellectual”? Nah. All indications are that the guy is not very smart. Quite the opposite, in fact.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Anonymous

    I don't think you've come to grips with how this country has changed. Coates is widely read by the elite, in particular the increasingly identity centric Dems.

    Being up to snuff as an intellectual isn't really important. Celebrity is what matters today, not substance.

  51. Coates is typical of Black intellectuals. They actually believe Black athletes and rappers produce wealth and prop up America.

  52. @Former Darfur
    @Crassus

    It wasn't a joke. The black recipients would agree never to come back as a condition of receiving the money, and it would be clearly explained that it was a one way proposition. It would take a constitutional amendment to implement reparations, and such amendment could include the death sentence for breaking this agreement.....which is the only way it would work.

    Replies: @Crassus

    such amendment could include the death sentence for breaking this agreement…..which is really the only way it would work.

    Assuming we could get a bunch of guys like Hitler in office, which truly is the only way it would work…
    why not start by sending away convicted murderers and rapists whose prison terms are up? Then send away larcenists and arsonists. Next kick out all depressed males (regardless of race) between the ages of 15 and 25. Then eject everyone with a diagnosed personality disorder. After this, give the boot to anyone who has ever visited a rehab facility. Finally, we could work our way down to high school students with GPAs below 3.0 and people with a net worth of less than a million dollars. But if the goal is to create a more peaceful and prosperous society, the first people to deport would be guys like Hitler.

    • Replies: @Dapper Dan
    @Crassus

    Godwin in three posts. You're doing pretty well for an apprentice tempter, Slubgob....I mean Crassus.

    Most Blacks would not take the offer, because they are smarter than that. More Blacks than most people, racist or not, think have an understanding that their life is better in a White society than it would be in any other. (Actually many Black Africans know that and would like the Brits to come back and recolonize them.) But it would provide an important "safety valve", and if we paid each acceptee a quarter million dollars, if they put it into a managed money market or account they could live pretty well in any of several relatively high functioning third world countries on the interest. If they blow it on dope, bling and whores, that is their problem, though, not ours.

    No man or woman should have to live in a society they resent and despise, neither should any man or woman have to finance someone else's resentment and contempt. In the long run, sending the resentful remnant out, forever, for a quarter million a head would be a bargain.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @Sparkling Wiggle
    @Crassus

    It always comes back to Hitler, doesn't it? There's absolutely no middle ground between shit-eating ethnomasochism and all-out genocide.

    Peaceful separation needs to be considered, if for no other reason than that it will prevent genocide.

    Replies: @Crassus

  53. No, it’s just… Huey’s too black-sounding for me.

  54. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @iSteveFan
    @Former Darfur


    Whites, we whites, made some bad decisions along the way, but to take the land as one “Indian” tribe took it from another and to hold it, to establish ownership over it, and to make it productive, mine it, farm it, build factories and homes and railroads on it, was not wrong.
     
    Here is what people never discuss. If whites had never taken the New World lands, someone else would have for sure. Let's assume whites had never encountered the Western Hemisphere or Australia. If humanity entered the twentieth century with no one yet encountering the New World, don't you think that the Japanese, Chinese or any number of Arabs would have immediately jumped at the chance to claim and settle such a rich chunk of land?

    And given the level of development of North American and Australian aborigines in the year 1500, do you honestly think they would have advanced much further by the start of the twentieth century to be able to fend off a modernizing Japan? Would they be able to fend off the dynamo that is China of today?

    If the whites had never found those lands, others would have and colonized them just the same. There is no way the people of this world were ever going to leave that much pristine real estate to a few million hunter gatherers. Heck the people of the world today are refusing to leave this pristine real estate to a few hundred million white settlers. If we can't hold them back today, what chance do you think the aborigines would have? Yet people continue to believe that if not for whites, the aborigines of the New World would still be living free and occupying these vast tracts of land. No way, no how.

    Replies: @H2, @Anonymous

    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide. It seems that many excuse colonization and genocide by pointing to the development, advancement, and accomplishments. Does it ever occur to anyone making this argument that regardless of how primitive a society is, their culture still permits most people to live a full life that strums every emotional chord?

    Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?

    Yes, war, invasions, disease, etc. all those bad things are real and they happen. And, there’s nothing wrong with wanting redress. The level of callousness evident in your post is shared by those wanting white genocide.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Anonymous


    Does it ever occur to anyone making this argument that regardless of how primitive a society is, their culture still permits most people to live a full life that strums every emotional chord?
     
    Read my comment. My point is if it weren't the Europeans who took over those New World lands, it would have been someone else. And they would have been just as harsh if history is any judge. That is the nature of our world. People throughout history, and even today, covet the land and resources of others and will kill and take it if the opportunity arises. Primitive people, or any people are not going to be allowed to live on such vast tracts of precious land such as North America without a fight. The vast oceans could only protect them for so long. Eventually some people would cross the ocean, find them and take their land.

    The reason people know about the plight of the aborigines of North American and Australis is because their dispossession happened relatively recently, was well documented, and there are still aborigines alive today. Contrast this to the treatment handed to countless other peoples who no longer exist and were dispossessed without much fanfare or documentation.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide.
     
    And 90% of the killing was done by "invisible bullets": Old World diseases.That's why the Americas and the Antipodes were so different from Africa and Asia.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @penntothal
    @Anonymous

    "Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?"

    Comparing the intrinsic "value" of primitive and modern societies mostly fruitless, because the comparison is so very subjective.

    There is, however, one objective measure: the revealed preferences of primitive peoples when exposed to modern society. People vote with their feet. How many modern westerners are seeking to migrate to Africa? How many primitives, exposed to modern technology, food, cell-phones, etc, choose not to make use of them?

    The only counter-example I can think of: recent moral decadence of post-modern society has sparked a mini-trend in the opposite direction: children of the West seeking fulfillment in a primitive form of Islam. (Think of "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh and his "open-marriage" bisexual dad.)

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Anonymous

    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide.

     

    What about the colonisers of Europe?

    Ottoman Hungary
    1541 to 1699
    ...
    An estimated 3 million Hungarians were enslaved and dispersed into the Ottoman Empire.
    ...
    The Sublime Porte (Ottoman rulers) became the sole landowner and managed about 20 percent of the land for its own benefit, apportioning the rest among soldiers and civil servants. The Ottoman landlords were interested mainly in squeezing as much wealth from the land as quickly as possible.
    ...
    Wars, slave-taking, and the emigration of nobles who lost their land caused a depopulation of the countryside.
    ...
    There were approximately 80,000 Muslim settlers in Ottoman-controlled territory of present-day Hungary
    ...
    As a consequence of the 150 years of constant warfare between the Christian states and Ottomans, population growth was stunted, and the network of ethnic Hungarian medieval settlements, with their urbanized bourgeois inhabitants, perished. The ethnic composition of the territory that formerly was part of the medieval Kingdom of Hungary was fundamentally changed through deportations and massacres, so that the number of ethnic Hungarians in existence at the end of the Ottoman period was substantially diminished.
     

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @anon
    @Anonymous


    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide.
     
    Asia already had Eurasian diseases.

    Africa had worse diseases that killed off 90% of the non-African settlers.

    The key difference was that America was temperate (so no tropical diseases like Africa) and isolated (so no resistance to Eurasian diseases).
    , @JSM
    @Anonymous


    Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?
     
    Well, a cold-eyed look would indicate that the very Native Americans alive today who are the descendants of 16th century Native Americans who hunted and fished yada yada, those Native Americans alive today, themselves, don't think too much of that lifestyle.

    Because, take the Crow Indian reservation in southern Montana. That land is 3500 square miles of prime buffalo country. But there are no buffalo there. Instead, the Indians living there live in U.S. gov't-built housing, not tipis. They drive beat up old cars to Harden to get drunk rather than keep horses to ride to go fishing. They work in the casino. That's what they do.

    SO, answer me this: If hunting and fishing and living the primitive lifestyle is so great, how come the Indians living there never bothered to develop and nurture a buffalo herd that they could hunt?

    Instead, when the White man's Game and Fish department shoots a buffalo for leaving Yellowstone Park (a reserve the same size for buffalo, set up and maintained by the White man) the Indians demand it be GIVEN to their tribes.

    NOTE: the WHITE man made a reserve of 3500 square miles named Yellowstone and upon it he put a few buffalo and through natural increase now has a sizable herd that has to be culled, even, when there's so many that they start wandering out of the park.

    The INDIANS have a reserve of equal size, 3500 square miles, of country that's even BETTER for buffalo. Did they ever get around to starting a herd that through natural increase would give them animals to hunt? Nope.

    They show by their actions the lifestyle they like better: taking White man's welfare, driving old trucks instead of riding horses, and living in houses heated with piped-in natural gas (built by Whites) instead of tipis.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Curle
    @Anonymous


    Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?
     
    Justice Kennedy does. Now they can have a same-sex marriage. And they have the near stratospheric levels of pleasure that comes from living in a diverse culture. They have Rihanna.
  55. @Ron Unz
    Actually, I've always had the impression that these days the value of a typical adult human body was something like $1M when properly dissembled and sold off as liver, kidneys, thumbs, corneas, that sort of thing, just like Larry Niven has been writing about for the last half-century. So don't let anyone tell you that some people are just totally worthless...

    Since that silly writer with a very weird name seems overwhelmingly African, perhaps some tissue incompatiblity issues might reduce his personal value, especially if he's absorbed lots of illegal drugs over the years. But it's difficult to believe that his prized "black body" isn't worth at least $500,000 when sold on the open market...

    Replies: @Truth, @Anonymous

    Oh, stop your sniping, Unz, and make a solid business decision; you’d have to pay him more than Derbyshire, Sailer, and Reed,(combined) but it would be worth it to add him to the site: Imagine the international publicity!

    • Replies: @BurplesonAFB
    @Truth

    You've got it backwards, the only reason anyone cares about "Ta" is because he writes for the Atlantic. And the reason he writes for the Atlantic is that James Bennet wants him to write retarded black-navel gazing articles like this one.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Truth

    If Coates would agree to allow dissenting comments and to engage in round table video discussions/debates with Sailer, he'd be worth 1.5x whatever the Atlantic is paying him.

    , @Eric Ruttencutter
    @Truth

    Not Coates, please. Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, McWhorter, or Stanley Crouch would be fine. Or what about you? How much would Unz have to pay you for a regular column?

    Replies: @Truth

  56. advancedatheist [AKA "RedneckCryonicist"] says:
    @Hepp
    You know, it's funny. When you read what passed for intellectual thought 100+ years ago, it's amazing to contrast with modern writers. At best, it's just a series of opinions that could've been written by any blogger. At worst, it's incoherent nonsense, like Foucault or Hagel.

    Today, if you're white and you want to be an intellectual, you need to present statistical data or do some serious archival research. But if you're black, you can still just navel gaze and be considered a great thinker. That's the appeal of this identity politics stuff. People too lazy or stupid to make their mark on the world in other ways can still be considered profound if they're part of a favored minority group.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @JohnnyWalker123

    When you read what passed for intellectual thought 100+ years ago, it’s amazing to contrast with modern writers.

    Yeah, you may not have agreed with writers like H.G. Wells, William James or Bertrand Russell. But they did come across as well read, intelligent and thoughtful.

    Wells, especially, took human biodiversity seriously, and he wanted to intervene to improve the breed:

    And the ethical system of these men of the New Republic, the ethical system which will dominate the world state, will be shaped primarily to favour the procreation of what is fine and efficient and beautiful in humanity—beautiful and strong bodies, clear and powerful minds, and a growing body of knowledge—and to check the procreation of base and servile types, of fear-driven and cowardly souls, of all that is mean and ugly and bestial in the souls, bodies, or habits of men.

    And keep in mind that Wells considered himself a man of the left. It would probably disgust him to see how modern progressives have embraced the all the meanness, ugliness and bestiality in the left’s preferred victim and client groups.

  57. Total Putz . No too often you see someone rocket past full retard.

  58. @e
    We are looking at the US Women's Soccer team celebrate. We didn't watch the match. Earlier saw photograph of the team, two rows of players, front row kneeling.

    Observation: if the way a woman kneels, runs, shakes hands, walks, etc. is any indication, Team Lesbian. It's the Dinah Shore all over again, yet national soccer advocates are hoping they draw a goodly number of girls, I am sure straight, attractive girls, to soccer with this win. Yes, they'll draw some, but they won't be Mia Hamms.

    Replies: @e, @AnotherDad, @Curle, @Dave Pinsen

    Hope Solo shows no signs of being a lesbian.

  59. @Maj. Kong
    @anonymous

    TNC is the most prominent public intellectual calling for slavery reparations.

    You should care, because if the Democrats ever get the Presidency and Congress, they will carry out that plan.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Curle, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @JohnnyWalker123

    TNC is the most prominent public intellectual

    He’s a public figure. Nothing more.

  60. @Reg Cæsar
    @Maj. Kong


    You should care, because if the Democrats ever get the Presidency and Congress, they will carry out that plan.

     

    Uh, they did get the Presidency and the Congress, in 2009.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    Obama decided to focus upon healthcare, and then took Michelle’s advice rather than Rahm’s.

    There were also a number of ‘Blue Dogs’ in that D caucus. By 2020, if the GOP still has Congress and hasn’t caved on amnesty, a left-wing President’s DOJ will order the states to redistrict in favor of the Democrats. That caucus will be almost entirely liberal.

  61. @SFG
    You know, the problem with his article is that it's totally steeped in postmodernist jargon.


    What he's really saying is that black people are victims of racism. I don't even disagree, even as I also admit they do the same thing to whites they catch when they have the chance. But he puts it in the academic jargon of 'black bodies being the object of attacks', making some fairly effective descriptions of violence sound like some pomo seminar.

    Hey, 'N-acetyl-p-aminophenol' is a lot less snappy than 'Tylenol', but at least it tells you exactly what's in the stuff. But pomo jargon?

    Replies: @E. Harding, @BurplesonAFB

    Gavin McInnes described PoMo humanities degrees as being like law degrees, except that people will actually pay you to use the weird jargon you learn in a law degree in courtrooms and contracts.

  62. @The Z Blog
    John Derbyshire said it best:

    For many American blacks, especially elite blacks like the Obamas, nothing exists outside their own blackness. Their blackness is endlessly interesting, endlessly fascinating to them. They can never get enough of thinking about it, talking about it, reading and writing about it.

    If they write a book, it’s about their blackness: Barack Obama’s Dreams from My Father, for example. If they write a college paper, it’s about their blackness: Mrs Obama’s Princeton thesis, for example, the seven words of whose title contain the word “black” twice. If they read a book, it’s about blackness. I’ve spent many, many hours riding the New York subway. Sitting next to a black person who’s reading a book, I take a peek: two times out of three it’s some black author writing about blackness.

    Black black blackety-blackety-black. It fills their consciousness and absorbs their attention. What on earth must it be like to so trapped like that, such a prisoner of your own skin? I can’t imagine. I guess, just as the T-shirt slogan says: It’s a black thing; I wouldn’t understand.
     

    Replies: @Curle, @Laugh Track, @Rob McX, @Kylie

    Black gal at the office. No matter what the sport, she’s only interested in the black athletes. Expressed interest in the US Open until Tiger dropped out. Cares only for women’s tennis if it involves a Williams sister. Music stops and ends with blacks.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Curle

    "Black gal at the office. No matter what the sport, she’s only interested in the black athletes. Expressed interest in the US Open until Tiger dropped out. Cares only for women’s tennis if it involves a Williams sister. Music stops and ends with blacks."

    That would explain why I saw zero Sub Saharans at The Jersey Boys Musical I went to. The closest thing to a Black person in attendance that I saw was a nerdy looking dark skin Indian woman.

    Replies: @Truth

  63. iSteveFan says:
    @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide. It seems that many excuse colonization and genocide by pointing to the development, advancement, and accomplishments. Does it ever occur to anyone making this argument that regardless of how primitive a society is, their culture still permits most people to live a full life that strums every emotional chord?

    Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?

    Yes, war, invasions, disease, etc. all those bad things are real and they happen. And, there's nothing wrong with wanting redress. The level of callousness evident in your post is shared by those wanting white genocide.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @syonredux, @penntothal, @Hippopotamusdrome, @anon, @JSM, @Curle

    Does it ever occur to anyone making this argument that regardless of how primitive a society is, their culture still permits most people to live a full life that strums every emotional chord?

    Read my comment. My point is if it weren’t the Europeans who took over those New World lands, it would have been someone else. And they would have been just as harsh if history is any judge. That is the nature of our world. People throughout history, and even today, covet the land and resources of others and will kill and take it if the opportunity arises. Primitive people, or any people are not going to be allowed to live on such vast tracts of precious land such as North America without a fight. The vast oceans could only protect them for so long. Eventually some people would cross the ocean, find them and take their land.

    The reason people know about the plight of the aborigines of North American and Australis is because their dispossession happened relatively recently, was well documented, and there are still aborigines alive today. Contrast this to the treatment handed to countless other peoples who no longer exist and were dispossessed without much fanfare or documentation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    I agree, my point was there's nothing wrong with wanting redress. And since it's recent and well documented, what happened to countless peoples in history isn't a valid reason why a redress isn't in order.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  64. @The Z Blog
    John Derbyshire said it best:

    For many American blacks, especially elite blacks like the Obamas, nothing exists outside their own blackness. Their blackness is endlessly interesting, endlessly fascinating to them. They can never get enough of thinking about it, talking about it, reading and writing about it.

    If they write a book, it’s about their blackness: Barack Obama’s Dreams from My Father, for example. If they write a college paper, it’s about their blackness: Mrs Obama’s Princeton thesis, for example, the seven words of whose title contain the word “black” twice. If they read a book, it’s about blackness. I’ve spent many, many hours riding the New York subway. Sitting next to a black person who’s reading a book, I take a peek: two times out of three it’s some black author writing about blackness.

    Black black blackety-blackety-black. It fills their consciousness and absorbs their attention. What on earth must it be like to so trapped like that, such a prisoner of your own skin? I can’t imagine. I guess, just as the T-shirt slogan says: It’s a black thing; I wouldn’t understand.
     

    Replies: @Curle, @Laugh Track, @Rob McX, @Kylie

    Narcissism has many causes, and surely one (or more) of them is a visceral feeling of being disrespected (dissed, as they say), unappreciated, threatened, or dismissed. If that is assumed to be for racial reasons (“I’m black and therefore considered inferior”), you’ve got a person with severe self-esteem issues.

    It’s not surprising then that the psychological defense against this feeling of perceived inferiority is to fixate on boosting one’s self image, on paying special attention to one’s body (or those in your category), or on drawing attention to one’s self whenever possible.

    It is merely a hunch (I’m no qualified psychologist), but I think this is at the root of much of the narcissism of the “oppressed” out there, be they black, brown, gay, queer, female, or overweight. It comes from a feeling of being unloved (exacerbated perhaps by the absence of one or both parents when growing up). This may lead to the cliche of “looking for love in all the wrong places.” Or it may lead to turning one’s fears and anxieties into hostility towards those perceived as dissing one’s self.

    I’m not sure what the solution to this may be, but I suspect it isn’t reparations or bureaucratic maneuvers or having academic departments devoted to your social category. Perhaps, like many things in life, there is no solution. Or, more to the point, most proposed solutions only make it worse. This is where I think we find ourselves at present.

  65. @e
    We are looking at the US Women's Soccer team celebrate. We didn't watch the match. Earlier saw photograph of the team, two rows of players, front row kneeling.

    Observation: if the way a woman kneels, runs, shakes hands, walks, etc. is any indication, Team Lesbian. It's the Dinah Shore all over again, yet national soccer advocates are hoping they draw a goodly number of girls, I am sure straight, attractive girls, to soccer with this win. Yes, they'll draw some, but they won't be Mia Hamms.

    Replies: @e, @AnotherDad, @Curle, @Dave Pinsen

    Abby Wombat (sp?) is a bulldike, but there are a few pretty and feminine women on the squad.

  66. @Truth
    @Ron Unz

    Oh, stop your sniping, Unz, and make a solid business decision; you'd have to pay him more than Derbyshire, Sailer, and Reed,(combined) but it would be worth it to add him to the site: Imagine the international publicity!

    Replies: @BurplesonAFB, @Dave Pinsen, @Eric Ruttencutter

    You’ve got it backwards, the only reason anyone cares about “Ta” is because he writes for the Atlantic. And the reason he writes for the Atlantic is that James Bennet wants him to write retarded black-navel gazing articles like this one.

  67. @AnotherDad
    @e

    I kinda think it's impossible for a straight male--perhaps any male?--to have any serious interest in a women's sporting event that your daughter is not in.

    Replies: @SFG, @Dave Pinsen, @Vendetta

    Plenty of straight males beside their fathers watch Caroline Wozniacki, Rhonda Rousey, etc.

  68. @iSteveFan
    @Anonymous


    Does it ever occur to anyone making this argument that regardless of how primitive a society is, their culture still permits most people to live a full life that strums every emotional chord?
     
    Read my comment. My point is if it weren't the Europeans who took over those New World lands, it would have been someone else. And they would have been just as harsh if history is any judge. That is the nature of our world. People throughout history, and even today, covet the land and resources of others and will kill and take it if the opportunity arises. Primitive people, or any people are not going to be allowed to live on such vast tracts of precious land such as North America without a fight. The vast oceans could only protect them for so long. Eventually some people would cross the ocean, find them and take their land.

    The reason people know about the plight of the aborigines of North American and Australis is because their dispossession happened relatively recently, was well documented, and there are still aborigines alive today. Contrast this to the treatment handed to countless other peoples who no longer exist and were dispossessed without much fanfare or documentation.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I agree, my point was there’s nothing wrong with wanting redress. And since it’s recent and well documented, what happened to countless peoples in history isn’t a valid reason why a redress isn’t in order.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Anonymous


    I agree, my point was there’s nothing wrong with wanting redress. And since it’s recent and well documented, what happened to countless peoples in history isn’t a valid reason why a redress isn’t in order.
     
    Redress for what? They weren't part of the same moral community.
  69. @Ron Unz
    Actually, I've always had the impression that these days the value of a typical adult human body was something like $1M when properly dissembled and sold off as liver, kidneys, thumbs, corneas, that sort of thing, just like Larry Niven has been writing about for the last half-century. So don't let anyone tell you that some people are just totally worthless...

    Since that silly writer with a very weird name seems overwhelmingly African, perhaps some tissue incompatiblity issues might reduce his personal value, especially if he's absorbed lots of illegal drugs over the years. But it's difficult to believe that his prized "black body" isn't worth at least $500,000 when sold on the open market...

    Replies: @Truth, @Anonymous

    Ron….think you mean ‘properly disassembled’. It’s the MSM whose outpouring on black on white crime are ‘properly dissembled’….

  70. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    When I was growing up, the two most evil men of all time were Adolf Hitler and Joe McCarthy. (And maybe Nixon was third)

    McCarthy was invoked all the time as the most evil man in American history. McCarthyism was said to the DARKEST period in American history. McCarthy took away civil liberties. He was against freedom. He was paranoid. He was a bully. He was worse than Stalin or at least his equal.
    This was in the 70s and 80s when the ACLU was still for total free speech, even defending the rights of Neo-Nazis.

    Watch PBS documentaries back then, and it was bad ole McCarthy all the time. Everything bad and evil was associated with McCarthyism, just like ‘fascist’ came to be associated with everything dark and tyrannical.

    McCarthy is still a dark figure on the ‘left’, but we don’t hear about him as much as we used to.
    Why? Could it be because if people, young and old, are told of McCarthyism today, they will be reminded that it was rather like how Political Correctness operates in our world? And with college campuses now going after free speech and with homos destroying everyone who won’t bend over to ‘gay marriage’—and with millennials brainwashed on PC acting like characters in THE CRUCIBLE—, maybe the ‘left’ realizes that its folks are now acting like McCarthyites or PcCarthyites. After all, who is trying to curtail freedom of speech and ban symbols such as the Confederate Flag?
    And Sabrina Rubin Erderly’s style of journalism is even crazier than anything McCarthy pulled off. If McCarthy had said he was gang-homo-raped by a bunch of American communists in a dark cellar, that might have been on the level of what Rubin almost got away with.

    • Replies: @Dapper Dan
    @Anon

    Mention of McCarthy has been Dynamically Silenced for two reasons: access to Soviet archives in the Yeltin years byWestern researchers, and the declassification of VENONA in the US.

    McCarthy was largely, although to be fair not entirely, vindicated. Most-not all, but most-of those he denounced as Communists really were.

    As for "The Crucible", Miller knew full well that there really were communists and that at least many of those blacklisted were among them. Further, the blacklist was not a government edict against communist writers, but a voluntary agreement on the part of a still somewhat patriotic and decent entertainment business to not employ them. Everyone else did too.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @ben tillman

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Anon

    The reason the Left hates McCarthy so much as that he used their own tactics against them. That's not supposed to happen! As you say, the Left can finally put its outrage over McCarthy behind them now that it is in full control and applying the same tactics to its enemies.

    , @Truth
    @Anon


    McCarthy is still a dark figure on the ‘left’, but we don’t hear about him as much as we used to.
     
    Would anyone else care to opine as to why we don't hear about a man who died in 1957 anymore?

    Replies: @Anon, @Mr. Anon

  71. @Curle
    @The Z Blog

    Black gal at the office. No matter what the sport, she's only interested in the black athletes. Expressed interest in the US Open until Tiger dropped out. Cares only for women's tennis if it involves a Williams sister. Music stops and ends with blacks.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Black gal at the office. No matter what the sport, she’s only interested in the black athletes. Expressed interest in the US Open until Tiger dropped out. Cares only for women’s tennis if it involves a Williams sister. Music stops and ends with blacks.”

    That would explain why I saw zero Sub Saharans at The Jersey Boys Musical I went to. The closest thing to a Black person in attendance that I saw was a nerdy looking dark skin Indian woman.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Jefferson

    "That would explain why I saw zero Sub Saharans at The Jersey Boys Musical I went to."

    Well in all fairness, there were zero Hetero-dudes there either except you (I'm giving you the benefit, Bro).

  72. @Truth
    @Ron Unz

    Oh, stop your sniping, Unz, and make a solid business decision; you'd have to pay him more than Derbyshire, Sailer, and Reed,(combined) but it would be worth it to add him to the site: Imagine the international publicity!

    Replies: @BurplesonAFB, @Dave Pinsen, @Eric Ruttencutter

    If Coates would agree to allow dissenting comments and to engage in round table video discussions/debates with Sailer, he’d be worth 1.5x whatever the Atlantic is paying him.

  73. @Crassus
    @Former Darfur


    such amendment could include the death sentence for breaking this agreement.....which is really the only way it would work.

     

    Assuming we could get a bunch of guys like Hitler in office, which truly is the only way it would work…
    why not start by sending away convicted murderers and rapists whose prison terms are up? Then send away larcenists and arsonists. Next kick out all depressed males (regardless of race) between the ages of 15 and 25. Then eject everyone with a diagnosed personality disorder. After this, give the boot to anyone who has ever visited a rehab facility. Finally, we could work our way down to high school students with GPAs below 3.0 and people with a net worth of less than a million dollars. But if the goal is to create a more peaceful and prosperous society, the first people to deport would be guys like Hitler.

    Replies: @Dapper Dan, @Sparkling Wiggle

    Godwin in three posts. You’re doing pretty well for an apprentice tempter, Slubgob….I mean Crassus.

    Most Blacks would not take the offer, because they are smarter than that. More Blacks than most people, racist or not, think have an understanding that their life is better in a White society than it would be in any other. (Actually many Black Africans know that and would like the Brits to come back and recolonize them.) But it would provide an important “safety valve”, and if we paid each acceptee a quarter million dollars, if they put it into a managed money market or account they could live pretty well in any of several relatively high functioning third world countries on the interest. If they blow it on dope, bling and whores, that is their problem, though, not ours.

    No man or woman should have to live in a society they resent and despise, neither should any man or woman have to finance someone else’s resentment and contempt. In the long run, sending the resentful remnant out, forever, for a quarter million a head would be a bargain.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Dapper Dan

    No man or woman should have to live in a society they resent and despise,

    I'm beginning to resent and despise my society too, but I'm white. Can I get in on this $250,000 deal if I find another place to go?

    Replies: @Clyde

  74. @Anon
    When I was growing up, the two most evil men of all time were Adolf Hitler and Joe McCarthy. (And maybe Nixon was third)

    McCarthy was invoked all the time as the most evil man in American history. McCarthyism was said to the DARKEST period in American history. McCarthy took away civil liberties. He was against freedom. He was paranoid. He was a bully. He was worse than Stalin or at least his equal.
    This was in the 70s and 80s when the ACLU was still for total free speech, even defending the rights of Neo-Nazis.

    Watch PBS documentaries back then, and it was bad ole McCarthy all the time. Everything bad and evil was associated with McCarthyism, just like 'fascist' came to be associated with everything dark and tyrannical.

    McCarthy is still a dark figure on the 'left', but we don't hear about him as much as we used to.
    Why? Could it be because if people, young and old, are told of McCarthyism today, they will be reminded that it was rather like how Political Correctness operates in our world? And with college campuses now going after free speech and with homos destroying everyone who won't bend over to 'gay marriage'---and with millennials brainwashed on PC acting like characters in THE CRUCIBLE---, maybe the 'left' realizes that its folks are now acting like McCarthyites or PcCarthyites. After all, who is trying to curtail freedom of speech and ban symbols such as the Confederate Flag?
    And Sabrina Rubin Erderly's style of journalism is even crazier than anything McCarthy pulled off. If McCarthy had said he was gang-homo-raped by a bunch of American communists in a dark cellar, that might have been on the level of what Rubin almost got away with.

    Replies: @Dapper Dan, @Harry Baldwin, @Truth

    Mention of McCarthy has been Dynamically Silenced for two reasons: access to Soviet archives in the Yeltin years byWestern researchers, and the declassification of VENONA in the US.

    McCarthy was largely, although to be fair not entirely, vindicated. Most-not all, but most-of those he denounced as Communists really were.

    As for “The Crucible”, Miller knew full well that there really were communists and that at least many of those blacklisted were among them. Further, the blacklist was not a government edict against communist writers, but a voluntary agreement on the part of a still somewhat patriotic and decent entertainment business to not employ them. Everyone else did too.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Dapper Dan


    Further, the blacklist was not a government edict against communist writers, but a voluntary agreement on the part of a still somewhat patriotic and decent entertainment business to not employ them.
     
    And that's exactly what's happening today. Legally, there is freedom of speech. But there is an unofficial agreement not to hire anyone with the wrong opinions, nor advertise on race realist websites, etc. Say whatever you want, but you'll lose your livelihood if it doesn't fall within the range of approved opinions.

    The gatekeepers are doing the same thing as was done back then, but they are doing it far more effectively, and their power to ruin people is far greater.

    , @ben tillman
    @Dapper Dan


    McCarthy was largely, although to be fair not entirely, vindicated.
     
    Why would you feel the need "to be fair" to those who vilified him?
  75. @Former Darfur
    I read TNC's article at the link.

    I don't know what his IQ is, but he is clearly my equal as a writer, if not superior. I believe he believes what he is writing to be the truth.

    Of course, the vast majority of the pain and misfortune he describes in having grown up black are the primary results of blackness, not whiteness. And of course, to any reasonable person, the consequences of their own behavior that Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner and Michael Brown experienced are just that, no less and no more. However, blacks usually view these circumstances quite differently.

    What this tells me is that there is an unbridgeable gulf, a chasm, between his worldview and mine, between his people and my people.

    For my part, I have no guilt over anything whatsoever White people have ever done. I don't believe in collective guilt. I don't believe in social justice. Guilt and justice are individual things. But that said, I don't believe Whites were wrong to come into what is now the United States, that they were wrong to settle the land, to increase their kind, and to do in three hundred years what the "indigenous" "Indians" could have never done in three millennia, three geologic eons perhaps. Whites, we whites, made some bad decisions along the way, but to take the land as one "Indian" tribe took it from another and to hold it, to establish ownership over it, and to make it productive, mine it, farm it, build factories and homes and railroads on it, was not wrong.

    One of our bad decisions was to allow the purchase and importation of Black slaves into our newly taken land. White people did not enslave the Blacks: they were purchased from other Blacks, who had practiced slavery for millennia before and apparently in some cases still do. Most whites owned no slaves, and indeed some were indentured servants whose status and condition was worse than that of slaves. But it was a bad idea because otherwise there would never have been a sizable population of blacks in North America.

    I believe the only way to make that right is to offer Blacks reparations. I believe Blacks should be offered a generous lump sum and a first class ticket out of the United States, for those who want it, a first class airline ticket back to Africa, or to anywhere else on the earth which will receive them, subject only to the condition they never set foot in the US again on pain of mandatory death sentence.

    Those who decline the offer will be told they will henceforth be held to the same standards as everyone else, and that no further complaining about their condition will be brooked. We will not listen to anything Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton have to say. We will not permit disparate impact as a reason for any policy or procedure to be challenged or changed, ever. There will be no Affirmative Action. While government programs will not racially discriminate, private businesses and individuals will not be told who they can or cannot hire, patronize, or associate with. We will implement a test for literacy and knowledge of the United States Constitution and government, in the English language, at a level any white sixth grader in 1950 would have been expected to be competent at, as a condition for voting, and we won't regard wildly disproportionate rates of success on a racial basis as a sign the test is too hard or that it is biased.

    Of course, my plan won't be implemented, and the reason it won't is not because Blacks won't permit it, but because other groups of nonblacks won't permit it. Against the united will of white people, no other group can really prevail. So in that regard, Blacks are not our primary problem.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Crassus, @Anonymous, @MPC

    You’re also a standard deviation below a mean of 100?

  76. @Hepp
    You know, it's funny. When you read what passed for intellectual thought 100+ years ago, it's amazing to contrast with modern writers. At best, it's just a series of opinions that could've been written by any blogger. At worst, it's incoherent nonsense, like Foucault or Hagel.

    Today, if you're white and you want to be an intellectual, you need to present statistical data or do some serious archival research. But if you're black, you can still just navel gaze and be considered a great thinker. That's the appeal of this identity politics stuff. People too lazy or stupid to make their mark on the world in other ways can still be considered profound if they're part of a favored minority group.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @JohnnyWalker123

    The quality of our white national opinion journalists is very low. The majority of them were supporters of the completely insane (and disastrous) Iraq War. They also have been huge supporters of free trade, immigration, financialization, ruinous levels of public spending, and other absurd policies.

    “Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.”
    “Wall-Street bankers are job creators.”
    “Immigrants do jobs Americans won’t do.”
    “We need a guest-worker program to alleviate worker shortages.”
    “NAFTA created jobs.”
    “Israel is our most loyal ally.”
    “Obama threw Israel under the bust.”

    When that constitutes the mainstream of American thinking, what does that say about our intelligentsia?

    Coates deserves all the criticism directed at him, but the quality of his thought is not particularly bad in comparison to his fellow writers. I don’t want to sound like I’m defending him, but it’s unfair to claim that he’s much worse than the typical white writer.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The quality of our white national opinion journalists is very low. The majority of them were supporters of the completely insane (and disastrous) Iraq War. They also have been huge supporters of free trade, immigration, financialization, ruinous levels of public spending, and other absurd policies.

    All it takes is one Davos Conference, and you're on board with the whole program.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @ben tillman
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Coates deserves all the criticism directed at him, but the quality of his thought is not particularly bad in comparison to his fellow writers. I don’t want to sound like I’m defending him, but it’s unfair to claim that he’s much worse than the typical white writer.
     
    The claim isn't that he's worse; it's that he's stupider. And that is true.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  77. @FredR
    Surely 5 figures is a steal when the speaker is, according to Noah Smith, better than Tolstoy: https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/617800804477571072

    Replies: @5371, @Neoconned

    Everyone assumes this Noah Smith is intelligent because of his ethnicity, his education and because he gets photographed in profile, but he’s actually stupider than a bag of rocks.

  78. I tried reading the essay, and I thought, “does the Atlantic BOTHER to HIRE editors? Why is this so looong, repetitive, and convoluted beyond any reasonable measure of propriety in modern civilization? Why would he even bother to write an essay like that? Nobody in their right mind will finish it!” He was like an intern on Adderall.

    It should have been entitled, “The Essay of Insanity!”

    Anyway, I didn’t realize he is an up-and-coming “Professional Negro.” He has at least an hour to fill with his speaker’s fees, and most times it will be college kids, most suffering from ADD, jotting down occasional bon mots into their iPads. For that audience, I guess his psychotic rhetoric is effective.

    So, I think the mistake he made was believing that his method of preparing an essay for general consumption on the internets is the same as writing a speech for 20-something year old twits.

    Somebody in charge over at the Atlantic needs to grow a pair and let the guy know he’s a hot mess on the net.

  79. • Replies: @V Vega
    @Anon


    http://buzzpo.com/you-wont-believe-what-caitlyn-jenner-was-caught-wearing/

    What passes for ‘courage’ in new America.
     
    He's the millennial generation's answer to "Tiny Tim."

    Sleeker, more talented, less ethnic, and twice the crazy.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Anon

    It isn't weird enough that Jenner thinks he's a woman, he thinks he's a young woman. One who looks good in a mini-skirt. I wonder if some of these transgenders imagine that while they're changing their gender, they're also slicing off a few decades. That really underscores the extent of their delusion.

  80. MPC says: • Website
    @Former Darfur
    I read TNC's article at the link.

    I don't know what his IQ is, but he is clearly my equal as a writer, if not superior. I believe he believes what he is writing to be the truth.

    Of course, the vast majority of the pain and misfortune he describes in having grown up black are the primary results of blackness, not whiteness. And of course, to any reasonable person, the consequences of their own behavior that Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner and Michael Brown experienced are just that, no less and no more. However, blacks usually view these circumstances quite differently.

    What this tells me is that there is an unbridgeable gulf, a chasm, between his worldview and mine, between his people and my people.

    For my part, I have no guilt over anything whatsoever White people have ever done. I don't believe in collective guilt. I don't believe in social justice. Guilt and justice are individual things. But that said, I don't believe Whites were wrong to come into what is now the United States, that they were wrong to settle the land, to increase their kind, and to do in three hundred years what the "indigenous" "Indians" could have never done in three millennia, three geologic eons perhaps. Whites, we whites, made some bad decisions along the way, but to take the land as one "Indian" tribe took it from another and to hold it, to establish ownership over it, and to make it productive, mine it, farm it, build factories and homes and railroads on it, was not wrong.

    One of our bad decisions was to allow the purchase and importation of Black slaves into our newly taken land. White people did not enslave the Blacks: they were purchased from other Blacks, who had practiced slavery for millennia before and apparently in some cases still do. Most whites owned no slaves, and indeed some were indentured servants whose status and condition was worse than that of slaves. But it was a bad idea because otherwise there would never have been a sizable population of blacks in North America.

    I believe the only way to make that right is to offer Blacks reparations. I believe Blacks should be offered a generous lump sum and a first class ticket out of the United States, for those who want it, a first class airline ticket back to Africa, or to anywhere else on the earth which will receive them, subject only to the condition they never set foot in the US again on pain of mandatory death sentence.

    Those who decline the offer will be told they will henceforth be held to the same standards as everyone else, and that no further complaining about their condition will be brooked. We will not listen to anything Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton have to say. We will not permit disparate impact as a reason for any policy or procedure to be challenged or changed, ever. There will be no Affirmative Action. While government programs will not racially discriminate, private businesses and individuals will not be told who they can or cannot hire, patronize, or associate with. We will implement a test for literacy and knowledge of the United States Constitution and government, in the English language, at a level any white sixth grader in 1950 would have been expected to be competent at, as a condition for voting, and we won't regard wildly disproportionate rates of success on a racial basis as a sign the test is too hard or that it is biased.

    Of course, my plan won't be implemented, and the reason it won't is not because Blacks won't permit it, but because other groups of nonblacks won't permit it. Against the united will of white people, no other group can really prevail. So in that regard, Blacks are not our primary problem.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Crassus, @Anonymous, @MPC

    Ta is a pretty terrible writer, and I suspect he is thoroughly edited to get as readable as he is. To get a sense of Ta’s intellect, watch the bloggingheads he did with McWhorter. It’s really funny to watch McWhorter brutalize him verbally while Ta has that dazed-in-the-ring look that apparently never leaves him.

  81. @syonredux

    Now, the heirs of slaveholders could never directly acknowledge our beauty or reckon with its power. And so the beauty of the black body was never celebrated in movies, in television, or in the textbooks I’d seen as a child.
     
    I'd find this passage more tolerable if a woman wrote it; coming from a man, it seems oddly effeminate.

    Then again, ours is an effeminate age, so perhaps TNC's desire for his beauty to be celebrated is entirely normative.

    Replies: @anon, @Dave Pinsen

    When Coates was a child, one of Hollywood’s top leading men, universally considered handsome, was Denzel Washington. One of the world’s most famous model/actresses was Iman.

    Maybe he just didn’t see many movies? 30 years earlier, Obama’s mother had no trouble finding filmic celebrations of black bodies in Black Orpheus.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Dave Pinsen

    In 2015 you are encouraged to just make up stuff about the past that two minutes of Googling could disprove.

    The entire notion of a "reality check" has been lost.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rob

  82. @E. Harding
    Somewhat off-topic, but Noah Smith has written this nutty screed:
    http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-forsaken.html
    And has officially decided to ban any and all dissenting comments. So you can't comment there anymore, Steve. And neither can any other iSteve commentator.
    I have written a story to counter his narrative here:
    http://againstjebelallawz.wordpress.com/2015/07/04/a-strange-utopia/

    Replies: @C. Van Carter, @MEH 0910

    Somewhat off-topic, but Noah Smith has written this nutty screed:

    http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-forsaken.html

    And has officially decided to ban any and all dissenting comments. So you can’t comment there anymore, Steve. And neither can any other iSteve commentator.

    Ron Unz has introduced a solution to the problem of banned dissenting comments:

    Open Forum: Crowdsourced Posts and Comment Threads

    Over the last year or so, the commenting technology I have developed has proven itself quite useful in facilitating discussions. But in most cases, these exchanges has been limited to the particular articles and topics selected by our various bloggers and other writers. At times, various commenters have complained about the lack of coverage afforded to particular issues.

    Meanwhile, other commenters have complained about the heavy censorship demonstrated at other media outlets and the growing tendency of many web publications to severely restrict comments or eliminate them altogether.

    Given these twin problems, an obvious and natural solution presented itself: adding an “Open Forum” section, in which readers themselves can provide suggested media stories for discussion and critique, utilizing the same commenting technology employed elsewhere on this website. Perhaps an article elsewhere may make foolish claims, defending those mistaken ideas by the censor’s pen, but once that article is provided as a post, in excerpt/link-back format, the buzz-saw of our regular commenters can quickly demolish the idea, providing a go-to location for individuals who wish to get the other side of the story. So if others restrict the commentary on their articles, we can easily fill that gap.

  83. @The Z Blog
    John Derbyshire said it best:

    For many American blacks, especially elite blacks like the Obamas, nothing exists outside their own blackness. Their blackness is endlessly interesting, endlessly fascinating to them. They can never get enough of thinking about it, talking about it, reading and writing about it.

    If they write a book, it’s about their blackness: Barack Obama’s Dreams from My Father, for example. If they write a college paper, it’s about their blackness: Mrs Obama’s Princeton thesis, for example, the seven words of whose title contain the word “black” twice. If they read a book, it’s about blackness. I’ve spent many, many hours riding the New York subway. Sitting next to a black person who’s reading a book, I take a peek: two times out of three it’s some black author writing about blackness.

    Black black blackety-blackety-black. It fills their consciousness and absorbs their attention. What on earth must it be like to so trapped like that, such a prisoner of your own skin? I can’t imagine. I guess, just as the T-shirt slogan says: It’s a black thing; I wouldn’t understand.
     

    Replies: @Curle, @Laugh Track, @Rob McX, @Kylie

    The first step towards a solution would be for others to stop pandering to and encouraging this narcissism.

  84. @Dapper Dan
    @Anon

    Mention of McCarthy has been Dynamically Silenced for two reasons: access to Soviet archives in the Yeltin years byWestern researchers, and the declassification of VENONA in the US.

    McCarthy was largely, although to be fair not entirely, vindicated. Most-not all, but most-of those he denounced as Communists really were.

    As for "The Crucible", Miller knew full well that there really were communists and that at least many of those blacklisted were among them. Further, the blacklist was not a government edict against communist writers, but a voluntary agreement on the part of a still somewhat patriotic and decent entertainment business to not employ them. Everyone else did too.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @ben tillman

    Further, the blacklist was not a government edict against communist writers, but a voluntary agreement on the part of a still somewhat patriotic and decent entertainment business to not employ them.

    And that’s exactly what’s happening today. Legally, there is freedom of speech. But there is an unofficial agreement not to hire anyone with the wrong opinions, nor advertise on race realist websites, etc. Say whatever you want, but you’ll lose your livelihood if it doesn’t fall within the range of approved opinions.

    The gatekeepers are doing the same thing as was done back then, but they are doing it far more effectively, and their power to ruin people is far greater.

  85. @Jefferson
    @Curle

    "Black gal at the office. No matter what the sport, she’s only interested in the black athletes. Expressed interest in the US Open until Tiger dropped out. Cares only for women’s tennis if it involves a Williams sister. Music stops and ends with blacks."

    That would explain why I saw zero Sub Saharans at The Jersey Boys Musical I went to. The closest thing to a Black person in attendance that I saw was a nerdy looking dark skin Indian woman.

    Replies: @Truth

    “That would explain why I saw zero Sub Saharans at The Jersey Boys Musical I went to.”

    Well in all fairness, there were zero Hetero-dudes there either except you (I’m giving you the benefit, Bro).

  86. @Dave Pinsen
    @syonredux

    When Coates was a child, one of Hollywood's top leading men, universally considered handsome, was Denzel Washington. One of the world's most famous model/actresses was Iman.

    Maybe he just didn't see many movies? 30 years earlier, Obama's mother had no trouble finding filmic celebrations of black bodies in Black Orpheus.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    In 2015 you are encouraged to just make up stuff about the past that two minutes of Googling could disprove.

    The entire notion of a “reality check” has been lost.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    The documentary "20 Feet from Stardom" about black lady backup singers has a lot of clips of the memorable Ikettes of roughly 45 years ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Cm3cezU_0

    especially of Claudia Lennear,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNdFCKBlMk

    who was one of Jagger's two black girlfriends who inspired the lyrics to "Brown Sugar:"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmfi3UbDPnQ

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dave Pinsen

    , @Rob
    @Steve Sailer

    I'm put in mind of Oprah's "millions of black lynching victims."

  87. I recall he had a feud a while back with Andrew Sullivan, and was apparently so mad that he banned commenting on every article on the site.

    I’ll bet he hasn’t gotten over that.

    • Replies: @elmer
    @Bert

    He banned me for positing that he only pretended to like "rap" music because he thought it annoyed white people. No sense of humor that guy.

    Dude has a dog named "Kenyatta" for crying out loud.

  88. @Steve Sailer
    @Dave Pinsen

    In 2015 you are encouraged to just make up stuff about the past that two minutes of Googling could disprove.

    The entire notion of a "reality check" has been lost.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rob

    The documentary “20 Feet from Stardom” about black lady backup singers has a lot of clips of the memorable Ikettes of roughly 45 years ago:

    especially of Claudia Lennear,

    who was one of Jagger’s two black girlfriends who inspired the lyrics to “Brown Sugar:”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    Watching this clip of "Brown Sugar" from 43 years ago, it struck me that the 1970s were like the 2010s, only fun.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bill P

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    Sure. And let's not forget black minds have also been celebrated for decades too. Consider that the brilliant engineer who creates the chip that leads to Skynet in Terminator 2 was played by the well-spoken black actor Joe Morto (when he appeared, my son-of-a-machinist friend sitting next to me said, "now you know it's science fiction"). Was Coates the only American teen who missed T2?

    Did he miss the suave Philip Michael Thomas as Rico Tubbs in one of the most popular TV shows of the late '80s, Miami Vice?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Eric Ruttencutter, @Peter Meyer

  89. @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    The documentary "20 Feet from Stardom" about black lady backup singers has a lot of clips of the memorable Ikettes of roughly 45 years ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Cm3cezU_0

    especially of Claudia Lennear,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNdFCKBlMk

    who was one of Jagger's two black girlfriends who inspired the lyrics to "Brown Sugar:"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmfi3UbDPnQ

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dave Pinsen

    Watching this clip of “Brown Sugar” from 43 years ago, it struck me that the 1970s were like the 2010s, only fun.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    I suspect Sir Mick would agree ...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Bill P
    @Steve Sailer

    How could anything be like the 70s without the fun? After the 70s, my early-boomer dad stayed there culturally and behaviorally, and died in early 2010 because, well, he lived the lifestyle to the end. He would have hated how this decade has turned out.

    The 1970s were pretty bad in their own way, but the 2010s are a cultural nightmare with no redeeming artistic qualities to match. Also, the crime in the 70s was a lot worse. It was chaos on the streets. The 2010s don't even come close.

    Maybe, however, you could say the 2010s are like a geriatric 70s revival with all the responsible and ambitious survivors of that era currently in charge of everything and making the rest of us relive their sanitized version of Jim Jones' rainbow family dream.

  90. @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    Watching this clip of "Brown Sugar" from 43 years ago, it struck me that the 1970s were like the 2010s, only fun.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bill P

    I suspect Sir Mick would agree …

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    Here's the famous Ike & Tina & the Ikette's cover of Creedence's "Proud Mary" from 1970:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoD4MJtOz2A

    Prince covered Fogerty's/Turner's "Proud Mary" along with Dylan's/Hendrix's "All Along the Watchtower" in his tremendous Super Bowl halftime show in the purple rain about a decade ago as a reminder that American pop music is at its best when blacks and white work together without worrying too much about "appropriation."

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  91. @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    I suspect Sir Mick would agree ...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Here’s the famous Ike & Tina & the Ikette’s cover of Creedence’s “Proud Mary” from 1970:

    Prince covered Fogerty’s/Turner’s “Proud Mary” along with Dylan’s/Hendrix’s “All Along the Watchtower” in his tremendous Super Bowl halftime show in the purple rain about a decade ago as a reminder that American pop music is at its best when blacks and white work together without worrying too much about “appropriation.”

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    A much better form of whites and blacks working together musically than the cliched move of just bringing out a black church choir as backup. IIRC, Bruce did that in his otherwise excellent halftime show.

  92. I feel sorry for TN Coates as I believe he is suffering from PTSD after his childhood in a black neighborhood. PTSD explain his paranoia and distorted irrational world view such as his obsession with supposed “white violence” against “black bodies”.

    I try to understand him, and the only case he can make is that america’s tendency of racial segregation force sensitive non violent black boys like him to live with violent blacks. I see it here in NY with the children of African immigrants who have to live in the Bronx as their parents are poor and can’t afford any other neighborhood. They were endlessly bullied by their classmates to turn “ghetto” (and to the dismay of their parents they do). To be poor and black in america is to be violent or to invite black violence.

    Coates is bitter and angry because White people forced him to live with violent Blacks because they don’t want to live with Blacks.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Merema

    I think that's probably the genesis of it but he's also providing an evil service to the powers that be. Even SJWs can't fail to notice the macho behavior of black teens and he's giving them a false, PC reason for that behavior i.e. saying it is a direct legacy of race, whereas the true reason most of them act that way is so they don't become a target for the local gang bangers.

    Predators don't prey on the weak they prey on the weak-est so for kids in those kind of areas it's all about trying to signal you're not the weakest so the predators go after somebody else.

    Replies: @Merema

    , @Jefferson
    @Merema

    "I feel sorry for TN Coates as I believe he is suffering from PTSD after his childhood in a black neighborhood. PTSD explain his paranoia and distorted irrational world view such as his obsession with supposed “white violence” against “black bodies”."

    It makes non sense at all, did TN Coates witness a lot of White on Black body violence take place in the all Black neighborhood he grew up? Very unlikely.

    "I try to understand him, and the only case he can make is that america’s tendency of racial segregation force sensitive non violent black boys like him to live with violent blacks."

    Isn't residential racial segregation between Blacks and Whites bodies a good thing? Without it Black bodies would be murdered everyday by evil White racists. If Black bodies have White next door neighbors, there is a much higher chance they will be murdered by a racist White person.

    TN Coates would not be alive today if he had grown up in a racially mixed integrated neighborhood with a sizable White population. The only reason TN Coates is alive today is because he grew up in an neighborhood where everybody racially looks like him.

    , @ben tillman
    @Merema


    Coates is bitter and angry because White people forced him to live with violent Blacks because they don’t want to live with Blacks.
     
    You're confused about what "force" is. Blacks living with Blacks happens naturally without force. Blacks living with Whites happens only as the result of the use of force.
  93. @Anon
    http://buzzpo.com/you-wont-believe-what-caitlyn-jenner-was-caught-wearing/

    What passes for 'courage' in new America.

    Replies: @V Vega, @Harry Baldwin

    http://buzzpo.com/you-wont-believe-what-caitlyn-jenner-was-caught-wearing/

    What passes for ‘courage’ in new America.

    He’s the millennial generation’s answer to “Tiny Tim.”

    Sleeker, more talented, less ethnic, and twice the crazy.

  94. @Anonymous
    @Maj. Kong


    TNC is the most prominent public intellectual
     
    "Intellectual"? Nah. All indications are that the guy is not very smart. Quite the opposite, in fact.

    Replies: @Ed

    I don’t think you’ve come to grips with how this country has changed. Coates is widely read by the elite, in particular the increasingly identity centric Dems.

    Being up to snuff as an intellectual isn’t really important. Celebrity is what matters today, not substance.

  95. @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    The documentary "20 Feet from Stardom" about black lady backup singers has a lot of clips of the memorable Ikettes of roughly 45 years ago:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Cm3cezU_0

    especially of Claudia Lennear,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNdFCKBlMk

    who was one of Jagger's two black girlfriends who inspired the lyrics to "Brown Sugar:"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmfi3UbDPnQ

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dave Pinsen

    Sure. And let’s not forget black minds have also been celebrated for decades too. Consider that the brilliant engineer who creates the chip that leads to Skynet in Terminator 2 was played by the well-spoken black actor Joe Morto (when he appeared, my son-of-a-machinist friend sitting next to me said, “now you know it’s science fiction”). Was Coates the only American teen who missed T2?

    Did he miss the suave Philip Michael Thomas as Rico Tubbs in one of the most popular TV shows of the late ’80s, Miami Vice?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    One of the other examples not to bother bringing up was a modestly successful NBC series about these upper-middle-class blacks, the Huxtables. Even before the Cospocalypse, Ta had already adjudicated them white

    , @Eric Ruttencutter
    @Dave Pinsen

    Don't forget that Starfleet's top computer scientist in the original Star Trek, Dr. Daystrom, was black, too.

    , @Peter Meyer
    @Dave Pinsen

    J the Israeli Water Engineer put it nicely:

    http://h2oreuse.blogspot.com/2013/05/its-nice-to-meet-happy-people.html


    Yet the neighborhood youth feel no envy nor hostility because they know that the top lawyers, the most intelligent and powerful and wealthy are all Black (just look at the President) as well as all the computer geniuses (Matrix) and they save the world twice a day. Just watch the media: White men are pityful creatures always relying on Black leadership. The Black hero always gets the blonde. No White or Chinese they come across ever dares to insinuate anything that would contradict that obvious reality, They all say it is so, Black is the best. Why shouldnt they believe that it is so? Why shouldnt they be happy? Till the racist Richwines and the murderous White Hispanics of this world are persecuted and put in jail, as (we all agree that they) deserve, he can walk safely the poorest ghettos of America.
     
    Let the baby have his bottle, I guess.
  96. “You know, it’s funny. When you read what passed for intellectual thought 100+ years ago, it’s amazing to contrast with modern writers. At best, it’s just a series of opinions that could’ve been written by any blogger. At worst, it’s incoherent nonsense, like Foucault or Hagel.”

    Yes. I got a degree in political philosophy, which involved alot of time in the stacks of my university, reading/looking at books quite old. Not just top names (say, J.S. Mill), but other, forgotten writers of ideas/history.

    The Victorian Era writing is just good writing. It is the kind of writing you imagine when you imagine a well written (stylistically) and well argued (intellectually or logically) work. It is the written equivalent of a John Houseman (? The Paper Chase lawyer) lecture.

    That writing still exists, but it is rare. Oddly enough, blogs are a good way to find it-because there are so many blogs, you can easily compare styles and quality between them (faster than reading a bunch of books).

    I used to think the Volokh Conspiracy had good, well written entries (with a high quality commentariate). I stopped following him when he went to the Washington Post.

    Rod Dreher can approach it (though he is both too logically inconsistent and too feminine in his writing to quite reach it)

    As a counterexample: very early, when Matthew Ylgesias was first starting, he honestly showed signs of being an honest, rigorous writer. I rarely agreed with him, but he was trying. At some point, he clearly changed focus, style, and intent: its like a switch turned, and he ceased attempting to be intellectually consistent and just became a demagogue (I suspect, as a philosophy major, he was actually trying to philosophically defend liberalism, but just got beat up in his comments so much, he just gave up. Presumably it was the first time he actually encountered someone who disagreed with him, and he didn’t like it). That was a long time ago, and his ‘misguided but trying’ stage didn’t last long. But it was there, like the spark of a camp fire that eventually snuffed out…

    In any event, if you ever look at writing from the era 1860-1920 or so, and flip open a random book, the clear yet stylistically entertaining prose is immediately apparent. You can look at a book about which you have no knowledge or interest, and nevertheless follow and appreciate the argument.

    Joeyjoejoe

  97. @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    Here's the famous Ike & Tina & the Ikette's cover of Creedence's "Proud Mary" from 1970:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoD4MJtOz2A

    Prince covered Fogerty's/Turner's "Proud Mary" along with Dylan's/Hendrix's "All Along the Watchtower" in his tremendous Super Bowl halftime show in the purple rain about a decade ago as a reminder that American pop music is at its best when blacks and white work together without worrying too much about "appropriation."

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    A much better form of whites and blacks working together musically than the cliched move of just bringing out a black church choir as backup. IIRC, Bruce did that in his otherwise excellent halftime show.

  98. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    People should form their opinion about ‘black bodies’ not through television but in person. Watching a free to the public music event, ‘stepping’ music, it was staggering to see the level of morbid obesity rampant amongst blacks. They’re bigger than ever before; some of those people could barely walk. What was also amazing was that a lot of those 350-lb women apparently thought they were hot, wearing tight, garish clothing. That was something to see. Apparently a lot of black guys go for the super-double-plus sized women. There’s lots of fit athletic blacks, sure, especially when they’re young but look at the totality of it and not just a fraction of their population.

  99. @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide. It seems that many excuse colonization and genocide by pointing to the development, advancement, and accomplishments. Does it ever occur to anyone making this argument that regardless of how primitive a society is, their culture still permits most people to live a full life that strums every emotional chord?

    Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?

    Yes, war, invasions, disease, etc. all those bad things are real and they happen. And, there's nothing wrong with wanting redress. The level of callousness evident in your post is shared by those wanting white genocide.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @syonredux, @penntothal, @Hippopotamusdrome, @anon, @JSM, @Curle

    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide.

    And 90% of the killing was done by “invisible bullets”: Old World diseases.That’s why the Americas and the Antipodes were so different from Africa and Asia.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    Biological WMD

  100. Here’s stuff from an old profile on TN Coates.It’s quite revealing:

    “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”

    Once, Bennet recalls, Coates was engaged in a gun control debate on the Atlantic’s Web site with Jeffrey Goldberg, a well-known colleague at the magazine. Goldberg referred to the philosopher and theologian Saint Augustine. Coates confessed that he didn’t know who Saint Augustine was, then charged ahead with the debate.

    “I can’t think of another writer who wouldn’t have Googled it!” Bennet says.”

    I find it quite astounding that TNC can’t quite catch the aura of paternalistic condescension in such remarks. Bennet is basically saying that he hired an underqualified man to write for THE ATLANTIC. His reason: So that the good White folks who read the magazine can be edified by watching him learn and grow.

    As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.

    He basically just said that he is an inarticulate manchild.

    “You get here and people say, ‘Why can’t you do that for our community?’ ” Coates says one morning at a Capitol Hill coffee shop. He calls the reaction “disrespectful” but “not illogical.” Disrespectful because he believes the experience of blacks in America deserves its own, focused examination. Not illogical because he can empathize with the desire of people who feel wronged.

    Respect is a key word in TNC’s lexicon, another sign, perhaps, of his immaturity.

    You know, it’s pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC.

    coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html >http://m.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/with-atlantic-article-on-reparations-ta-nehisi-coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    @syonredux

    Ta-Nehisi Coates acts as a sort of talisman to deflect criticism of The Atlantic's oftentimes over the top support of Israel. With Ta-Nahisi Coates in the writing stable, The Atlantic's main political agenda can be pursued without an attack from The Left accusing The Atlantic of racism.

    Goldberg and Bennet will tolerate and promote Ta-Nahisi Coates for so long as his writing provides cover for their true passion, Israel. The day Ta-Nahisi Coates calls out Israel for its overtly racist policies will be the day he ceases to be the great public intellectual of our age.

    , @Stealth
    @syonredux

    His Atlantic piece was really kind of crazy sounding. He seems like the kind of person who repeats things in his head over and over again.

  101. @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide. It seems that many excuse colonization and genocide by pointing to the development, advancement, and accomplishments. Does it ever occur to anyone making this argument that regardless of how primitive a society is, their culture still permits most people to live a full life that strums every emotional chord?

    Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?

    Yes, war, invasions, disease, etc. all those bad things are real and they happen. And, there's nothing wrong with wanting redress. The level of callousness evident in your post is shared by those wanting white genocide.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @syonredux, @penntothal, @Hippopotamusdrome, @anon, @JSM, @Curle

    “Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?”

    Comparing the intrinsic “value” of primitive and modern societies mostly fruitless, because the comparison is so very subjective.

    There is, however, one objective measure: the revealed preferences of primitive peoples when exposed to modern society. People vote with their feet. How many modern westerners are seeking to migrate to Africa? How many primitives, exposed to modern technology, food, cell-phones, etc, choose not to make use of them?

    The only counter-example I can think of: recent moral decadence of post-modern society has sparked a mini-trend in the opposite direction: children of the West seeking fulfillment in a primitive form of Islam. (Think of “American Taliban” John Walker Lindh and his “open-marriage” bisexual dad.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @penntothal

    There is, however, one objective measure: the revealed preferences of primitive peoples when exposed to modern society. People vote with their feet. How many modern westerners are seeking to migrate to Africa? How many primitives, exposed to modern technology, food, cell-phones, etc, choose not to make use of them?

    Right, but that's no different than the modern world's desire for unhealthy food, dependence on consumer debt, or addiction to drugs. New and/or easy is always appealing. Pointing out the weakness in average human beings doesn't prove anything.

    Replies: @penntothal

  102. @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide. It seems that many excuse colonization and genocide by pointing to the development, advancement, and accomplishments. Does it ever occur to anyone making this argument that regardless of how primitive a society is, their culture still permits most people to live a full life that strums every emotional chord?

    Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?

    Yes, war, invasions, disease, etc. all those bad things are real and they happen. And, there's nothing wrong with wanting redress. The level of callousness evident in your post is shared by those wanting white genocide.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @syonredux, @penntothal, @Hippopotamusdrome, @anon, @JSM, @Curle

    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide.

    What about the colonisers of Europe?

    Ottoman Hungary
    1541 to 1699

    An estimated 3 million Hungarians were enslaved and dispersed into the Ottoman Empire.

    The Sublime Porte (Ottoman rulers) became the sole landowner and managed about 20 percent of the land for its own benefit, apportioning the rest among soldiers and civil servants. The Ottoman landlords were interested mainly in squeezing as much wealth from the land as quickly as possible.

    Wars, slave-taking, and the emigration of nobles who lost their land caused a depopulation of the countryside.

    There were approximately 80,000 Muslim settlers in Ottoman-controlled territory of present-day Hungary

    As a consequence of the 150 years of constant warfare between the Christian states and Ottomans, population growth was stunted, and the network of ethnic Hungarian medieval settlements, with their urbanized bourgeois inhabitants, perished. The ethnic composition of the territory that formerly was part of the medieval Kingdom of Hungary was fundamentally changed through deportations and massacres, so that the number of ethnic Hungarians in existence at the end of the Ottoman period was substantially diminished.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    No reason to make this a White/non-White issue. There were countless tragedies in history. The point is there is nothing wrong with wanting redress. And I alluded to in another post, just because some groups don't care for redress, doesn't mean other groups can't or shouldn't. Some reasons why New world colonization and slavery remain controversial are that they're fairly recent in history, both of their recognized direct descendents are still around, well documented, they happened here, and most importantly, the scars of the tragedies are not just visible to everyone, but felt by their descendents. Feelings are subjective, but they matter because we're human.

  103. Coates’ poor son is going to have a hard time staying awake if he ever does try to read this letter. I picture the poor kid pleading, “Come on Dad, can’t you just whip me with a belt like Grandpa, if you want to punish me?”

  104. @e
    Other than Steve, who reads The Atlantic any longer?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Lurker

    Do you listen to tax-funded National Public Radio? Articles in the Atlantic provide fodder for a lot of their programming. They consider it an unimpeachable source, like the New Yorker. Also, if you have any contact with liberals through social media you’ll know that they regard Ta-Nehisi Coates as a profound thinker, like Neil deGrasse Tyson.

  105. Is he a member of the prestigious National Association of Black Journalists?

    http://www.nabj.org

  106. Amidst the growing competitiveness for jobs in the New Media, many writers living in Brooklyn, NY are pushing their comfort zone in an effort to reach a wider digital audience.

  107. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide. It seems that many excuse colonization and genocide by pointing to the development, advancement, and accomplishments. Does it ever occur to anyone making this argument that regardless of how primitive a society is, their culture still permits most people to live a full life that strums every emotional chord?

    Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?

    Yes, war, invasions, disease, etc. all those bad things are real and they happen. And, there's nothing wrong with wanting redress. The level of callousness evident in your post is shared by those wanting white genocide.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @syonredux, @penntothal, @Hippopotamusdrome, @anon, @JSM, @Curle

    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide.

    Asia already had Eurasian diseases.

    Africa had worse diseases that killed off 90% of the non-African settlers.

    The key difference was that America was temperate (so no tropical diseases like Africa) and isolated (so no resistance to Eurasian diseases).

  108. @Bert
    I recall he had a feud a while back with Andrew Sullivan, and was apparently so mad that he banned commenting on every article on the site.

    I'll bet he hasn't gotten over that.

    Replies: @elmer

    He banned me for positing that he only pretended to like “rap” music because he thought it annoyed white people. No sense of humor that guy.

    Dude has a dog named “Kenyatta” for crying out loud.

  109. @Anon
    When I was growing up, the two most evil men of all time were Adolf Hitler and Joe McCarthy. (And maybe Nixon was third)

    McCarthy was invoked all the time as the most evil man in American history. McCarthyism was said to the DARKEST period in American history. McCarthy took away civil liberties. He was against freedom. He was paranoid. He was a bully. He was worse than Stalin or at least his equal.
    This was in the 70s and 80s when the ACLU was still for total free speech, even defending the rights of Neo-Nazis.

    Watch PBS documentaries back then, and it was bad ole McCarthy all the time. Everything bad and evil was associated with McCarthyism, just like 'fascist' came to be associated with everything dark and tyrannical.

    McCarthy is still a dark figure on the 'left', but we don't hear about him as much as we used to.
    Why? Could it be because if people, young and old, are told of McCarthyism today, they will be reminded that it was rather like how Political Correctness operates in our world? And with college campuses now going after free speech and with homos destroying everyone who won't bend over to 'gay marriage'---and with millennials brainwashed on PC acting like characters in THE CRUCIBLE---, maybe the 'left' realizes that its folks are now acting like McCarthyites or PcCarthyites. After all, who is trying to curtail freedom of speech and ban symbols such as the Confederate Flag?
    And Sabrina Rubin Erderly's style of journalism is even crazier than anything McCarthy pulled off. If McCarthy had said he was gang-homo-raped by a bunch of American communists in a dark cellar, that might have been on the level of what Rubin almost got away with.

    Replies: @Dapper Dan, @Harry Baldwin, @Truth

    The reason the Left hates McCarthy so much as that he used their own tactics against them. That’s not supposed to happen! As you say, the Left can finally put its outrage over McCarthy behind them now that it is in full control and applying the same tactics to its enemies.

  110. @Dapper Dan
    @Crassus

    Godwin in three posts. You're doing pretty well for an apprentice tempter, Slubgob....I mean Crassus.

    Most Blacks would not take the offer, because they are smarter than that. More Blacks than most people, racist or not, think have an understanding that their life is better in a White society than it would be in any other. (Actually many Black Africans know that and would like the Brits to come back and recolonize them.) But it would provide an important "safety valve", and if we paid each acceptee a quarter million dollars, if they put it into a managed money market or account they could live pretty well in any of several relatively high functioning third world countries on the interest. If they blow it on dope, bling and whores, that is their problem, though, not ours.

    No man or woman should have to live in a society they resent and despise, neither should any man or woman have to finance someone else's resentment and contempt. In the long run, sending the resentful remnant out, forever, for a quarter million a head would be a bargain.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    No man or woman should have to live in a society they resent and despise,

    I’m beginning to resent and despise my society too, but I’m white. Can I get in on this $250,000 deal if I find another place to go?

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Harry Baldwin


    I’m beginning to resent and despise my society too, but I’m white. Can I get in on this $250,000 deal if I find another place to go?
     
    You could live very well off the interest in Albania if want to live in a white country. Philippines if diverse is OK with you.
  111. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Hepp

    The quality of our white national opinion journalists is very low. The majority of them were supporters of the completely insane (and disastrous) Iraq War. They also have been huge supporters of free trade, immigration, financialization, ruinous levels of public spending, and other absurd policies.

    "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction."
    "Wall-Street bankers are job creators."
    "Immigrants do jobs Americans won't do."
    "We need a guest-worker program to alleviate worker shortages."
    "NAFTA created jobs."
    "Israel is our most loyal ally."
    "Obama threw Israel under the bust."

    When that constitutes the mainstream of American thinking, what does that say about our intelligentsia?

    Coates deserves all the criticism directed at him, but the quality of his thought is not particularly bad in comparison to his fellow writers. I don't want to sound like I'm defending him, but it's unfair to claim that he's much worse than the typical white writer.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

    The quality of our white national opinion journalists is very low. The majority of them were supporters of the completely insane (and disastrous) Iraq War. They also have been huge supporters of free trade, immigration, financialization, ruinous levels of public spending, and other absurd policies.

    All it takes is one Davos Conference, and you’re on board with the whole program.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Harry Baldwin

    I still think that blacks have one strength as a people.

    That strength is that they're mostly focused on bread-and-butter daily concerns, primarily economic issues. You seldomly hear blacks spout nonsense about "defending Israel" or "winning the War on Terror" or "protecting job creators from unions." Unfortunately, lots of whites embrace this ridiculous thinking. It's not just Davos Men, it's ordinary people who watch Fox News or listen to talk radio.

    A large percentage of white Americans are seriously dumb. They got on board with the whole Iraq War project. Blacks, on the other hand, sensibly never gave a damn about Saddam Hussein and his "weapons of mass destruction."

    One recent study found that 43% of White-Americans believe that WMDs were found in Iraq. For non-whites, only 40% believe this. http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2015/false/

    In a 2004 poll, 76% of blacks said the Iraq War was a mistake. Only 42% of whites believed the Iraq War was a mistake.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  112. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Merema
    I feel sorry for TN Coates as I believe he is suffering from PTSD after his childhood in a black neighborhood. PTSD explain his paranoia and distorted irrational world view such as his obsession with supposed "white violence" against "black bodies".


    I try to understand him, and the only case he can make is that america's tendency of racial segregation force sensitive non violent black boys like him to live with violent blacks. I see it here in NY with the children of African immigrants who have to live in the Bronx as their parents are poor and can't afford any other neighborhood. They were endlessly bullied by their classmates to turn "ghetto" (and to the dismay of their parents they do). To be poor and black in america is to be violent or to invite black violence.

    Coates is bitter and angry because White people forced him to live with violent Blacks because they don't want to live with Blacks.

    Replies: @anon, @Jefferson, @ben tillman

    I think that’s probably the genesis of it but he’s also providing an evil service to the powers that be. Even SJWs can’t fail to notice the macho behavior of black teens and he’s giving them a false, PC reason for that behavior i.e. saying it is a direct legacy of race, whereas the true reason most of them act that way is so they don’t become a target for the local gang bangers.

    Predators don’t prey on the weak they prey on the weak-est so for kids in those kind of areas it’s all about trying to signal you’re not the weakest so the predators go after somebody else.

    • Replies: @Merema
    @anon

    Oops missed your comment. You are absolutely right when you say that he is also providing an evil service to the powers to be, and he really is giving blacks a false PC reason for that behavior.

  113. As John Derbyshire wrote: blackity-black blackness – that’s all that seems to interest most black writers.

  114. “Dapper Dan says:

    I don’t know what his IQ is, but he is clearly my equal as a writer, if not superior.”

    Mental Note: Don’t read any thing “Dapper Dan” has written either.

    • Replies: @dcite
    @Mr. Anon

    Could be his literary agent.

  115. @Anon
    When I was growing up, the two most evil men of all time were Adolf Hitler and Joe McCarthy. (And maybe Nixon was third)

    McCarthy was invoked all the time as the most evil man in American history. McCarthyism was said to the DARKEST period in American history. McCarthy took away civil liberties. He was against freedom. He was paranoid. He was a bully. He was worse than Stalin or at least his equal.
    This was in the 70s and 80s when the ACLU was still for total free speech, even defending the rights of Neo-Nazis.

    Watch PBS documentaries back then, and it was bad ole McCarthy all the time. Everything bad and evil was associated with McCarthyism, just like 'fascist' came to be associated with everything dark and tyrannical.

    McCarthy is still a dark figure on the 'left', but we don't hear about him as much as we used to.
    Why? Could it be because if people, young and old, are told of McCarthyism today, they will be reminded that it was rather like how Political Correctness operates in our world? And with college campuses now going after free speech and with homos destroying everyone who won't bend over to 'gay marriage'---and with millennials brainwashed on PC acting like characters in THE CRUCIBLE---, maybe the 'left' realizes that its folks are now acting like McCarthyites or PcCarthyites. After all, who is trying to curtail freedom of speech and ban symbols such as the Confederate Flag?
    And Sabrina Rubin Erderly's style of journalism is even crazier than anything McCarthy pulled off. If McCarthy had said he was gang-homo-raped by a bunch of American communists in a dark cellar, that might have been on the level of what Rubin almost got away with.

    Replies: @Dapper Dan, @Harry Baldwin, @Truth

    McCarthy is still a dark figure on the ‘left’, but we don’t hear about him as much as we used to.

    Would anyone else care to opine as to why we don’t hear about a man who died in 1957 anymore?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Truth

    "Would anyone else care to opine as to why we don’t hear about a man who died in 1957 anymore?"

    Silly Negro...

    Back in 1980s on TV, it was McCarthy, McCarthy, McCarthy all the time. I mostly watched PBS, and mentioning bad ole McCarthy was equivalent to mentioning 'climate change' today. (Watch any show today on PBS and they somehow connect the subject matter to climate change.)

    And even in the 90s, it was McCarthy. In college, if you wanted to mention eeeeeeeeeevil, it was McCarthy followed by Hitler.

    So, McCarthy was very much kept alive. The reason why many people didn't applaud Kazan when he got the lifetime award was because of the 'McCarthy Era'.

    Even now, whenever discussion of 50s cinema come up, it's about the McCarthy era and the blacklist.

    So, I do take notice of the relative silence about McCarthy lately.
    Progs gotta admit they hate his politics but love his tactics. Indeed, they've taken it further to the point where even a weak joke like 'Caitlyn Something' is censored.

    And poor poor Rick Sanchez and Helen Thomas

    Btw, MLK died in 1968. When are we gonna stop hearing about him?

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Truth

    "Would anyone else care to opine as to why we don’t hear about a man who died in 1957 anymore?"

    You mean like Emmett Till (died, 1955)?

    Replies: @Sheila

  116. @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    Sure. And let's not forget black minds have also been celebrated for decades too. Consider that the brilliant engineer who creates the chip that leads to Skynet in Terminator 2 was played by the well-spoken black actor Joe Morto (when he appeared, my son-of-a-machinist friend sitting next to me said, "now you know it's science fiction"). Was Coates the only American teen who missed T2?

    Did he miss the suave Philip Michael Thomas as Rico Tubbs in one of the most popular TV shows of the late '80s, Miami Vice?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Eric Ruttencutter, @Peter Meyer

    One of the other examples not to bother bringing up was a modestly successful NBC series about these upper-middle-class blacks, the Huxtables. Even before the Cospocalypse, Ta had already adjudicated them white

  117. @The Z Blog
    John Derbyshire said it best:

    For many American blacks, especially elite blacks like the Obamas, nothing exists outside their own blackness. Their blackness is endlessly interesting, endlessly fascinating to them. They can never get enough of thinking about it, talking about it, reading and writing about it.

    If they write a book, it’s about their blackness: Barack Obama’s Dreams from My Father, for example. If they write a college paper, it’s about their blackness: Mrs Obama’s Princeton thesis, for example, the seven words of whose title contain the word “black” twice. If they read a book, it’s about blackness. I’ve spent many, many hours riding the New York subway. Sitting next to a black person who’s reading a book, I take a peek: two times out of three it’s some black author writing about blackness.

    Black black blackety-blackety-black. It fills their consciousness and absorbs their attention. What on earth must it be like to so trapped like that, such a prisoner of your own skin? I can’t imagine. I guess, just as the T-shirt slogan says: It’s a black thing; I wouldn’t understand.
     

    Replies: @Curle, @Laugh Track, @Rob McX, @Kylie

    John Derbyshire said it best:

    For many American blacks, especially elite blacks like the Obamas, nothing exists outside their own blackness.

    It’s not just American blacks. It’s blacks, period. I watch movies from all over the world. Despite cultural differences between American movies and movies from Japan, China, S. Korea, Russia, Germany, Iran, etc. I can easily find things I identify with or recognize. It’s fun to see how similar people are even when they come from very different cultures.

    Bearing that in mind, a few years ago I watched a movie from some African nation. What a mistake. It was about some rural woman who’d contracted AIDS from caring for her sick husband. Incredibly, it somehow managed to be all about being black. I simply could not identify with the characters or their predicament at all. I’ve been able to identify with a family of Kurdish orphans struggling to survive (Iranian: A Time for Drunken Horses), a victim of wartime rape (Russian: The Cranes are Flying), even a transgender man trying to win back his lover (S. Korea: Rainbow Eyes) But the African movie bored me stiff, probably because I’m not black.

  118. Tawny Coates is a talented writer in a lot of respects. His skill is in having learned how SWPL’s think and then selling the ghetto mentality to them. He is a translator more than anything else. He peppers his writing with just enough hood lingo to seem authentic but still retains a traditional enough voice that he doesn’t lose the college educated SWPL’s.

    His writing has a certain poetry that most sharp, analytic thinkers never develop. He is a prose talent though. He’s got a way with words as they say. He’s not a very sharp thinker though. I remember a post he once wrote about almost punching a guy at the DNC in 2004 (http://www.theatlantic.com/personal/archive/2010/10/a-culture-of-poverty/64854/).

    He learned the wrong lessons there. He came away convinced that the violent culture he grew up in made sense in its own context. But he refused to admit that in order to succeed he had to reject the pathologies of his ghetto upbringing, and embrace a white culture where intelligent people don’t lash out at each other violently for being disrespected. He refuses to see how embracing respectability allowed him to succeed even as he condemns respectability politics.

    Or take his famous essay calling for reparations. He lays out the historical record, but fails to see how it undermines his case. Literally going from government oppression to the government drumming up “racism” out of thin air from private entities. The proof that black people are still oppressed today? The Obama justice department manufactured a case against Bank of America out of thin air on the notion that predatory loans were targeted at blacks. The evidence uncovered? Someone told some racist jokes about “mud people” in an email. Lol.

    It all sounds convincing. He’s a talented writer in that regard. Throws in some portentious cliches about a national reckoning and eating hot dogs on the fourth of july. You really do feel the Chris Matthews tingle go up your leg. He’s just not a clear and logical thinker though.

  119. @syonredux
    Here's stuff from an old profile on TN Coates.It's quite revealing:

    “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”

    Once, Bennet recalls, Coates was engaged in a gun control debate on the Atlantic’s Web site with Jeffrey Goldberg, a well-known colleague at the magazine. Goldberg referred to the philosopher and theologian Saint Augustine. Coates confessed that he didn’t know who Saint Augustine was, then charged ahead with the debate.

    “I can’t think of another writer who wouldn’t have Googled it!” Bennet says.”
     
    I find it quite astounding that TNC can’t quite catch the aura of paternalistic condescension in such remarks. Bennet is basically saying that he hired an underqualified man to write for THE ATLANTIC. His reason: So that the good White folks who read the magazine can be edified by watching him learn and grow.

    As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.
     
    He basically just said that he is an inarticulate manchild.

    “You get here and people say, ‘Why can’t you do that for our community?’ ” Coates says one morning at a Capitol Hill coffee shop. He calls the reaction “disrespectful” but “not illogical.” Disrespectful because he believes the experience of blacks in America deserves its own, focused examination. Not illogical because he can empathize with the desire of people who feel wronged.
     
    Respect is a key word in TNC’s lexicon, another sign, perhaps, of his immaturity.

    You know, it’s pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC.




    coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html >http://m.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/with-atlantic-article-on-reparations-ta-nehisi-coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Stealth

    Ta-Nehisi Coates acts as a sort of talisman to deflect criticism of The Atlantic’s oftentimes over the top support of Israel. With Ta-Nahisi Coates in the writing stable, The Atlantic’s main political agenda can be pursued without an attack from The Left accusing The Atlantic of racism.

    Goldberg and Bennet will tolerate and promote Ta-Nahisi Coates for so long as his writing provides cover for their true passion, Israel. The day Ta-Nahisi Coates calls out Israel for its overtly racist policies will be the day he ceases to be the great public intellectual of our age.

  120. And still and all I knew that we were something, that we were a tribe—on one hand, invented, and on the other, no less real.

    Thank you Black Tolstoy Man, you are truly a literary genius.

  121. @Steve Sailer
    @Dave Pinsen

    In 2015 you are encouraged to just make up stuff about the past that two minutes of Googling could disprove.

    The entire notion of a "reality check" has been lost.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rob

    I’m put in mind of Oprah’s “millions of black lynching victims.”

  122. @Glossy
    @JSM

    To me black body radiation is hip hop radio. Even if the bodies aren't carrying a boom box, you can usually hear it through their headphones.

    Replies: @JSM

    LOL! Yes, I see it now. You are exactly right!

  123. http://video.lauraingraham.com/CNN-47-People-including-a-7yearold-killed-in-Chicago-Gang-Violence-29331222?utm

    Coates should tell his son to stay out of ‘racist’ white areas. Stick with black ones. Better chance of survival.

  124. JSM says:
    @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide. It seems that many excuse colonization and genocide by pointing to the development, advancement, and accomplishments. Does it ever occur to anyone making this argument that regardless of how primitive a society is, their culture still permits most people to live a full life that strums every emotional chord?

    Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?

    Yes, war, invasions, disease, etc. all those bad things are real and they happen. And, there's nothing wrong with wanting redress. The level of callousness evident in your post is shared by those wanting white genocide.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @syonredux, @penntothal, @Hippopotamusdrome, @anon, @JSM, @Curle

    Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?

    Well, a cold-eyed look would indicate that the very Native Americans alive today who are the descendants of 16th century Native Americans who hunted and fished yada yada, those Native Americans alive today, themselves, don’t think too much of that lifestyle.

    Because, take the Crow Indian reservation in southern Montana. That land is 3500 square miles of prime buffalo country. But there are no buffalo there. Instead, the Indians living there live in U.S. gov’t-built housing, not tipis. They drive beat up old cars to Harden to get drunk rather than keep horses to ride to go fishing. They work in the casino. That’s what they do.

    SO, answer me this: If hunting and fishing and living the primitive lifestyle is so great, how come the Indians living there never bothered to develop and nurture a buffalo herd that they could hunt?

    Instead, when the White man’s Game and Fish department shoots a buffalo for leaving Yellowstone Park (a reserve the same size for buffalo, set up and maintained by the White man) the Indians demand it be GIVEN to their tribes.

    NOTE: the WHITE man made a reserve of 3500 square miles named Yellowstone and upon it he put a few buffalo and through natural increase now has a sizable herd that has to be culled, even, when there’s so many that they start wandering out of the park.

    The INDIANS have a reserve of equal size, 3500 square miles, of country that’s even BETTER for buffalo. Did they ever get around to starting a herd that through natural increase would give them animals to hunt? Nope.

    They show by their actions the lifestyle they like better: taking White man’s welfare, driving old trucks instead of riding horses, and living in houses heated with piped-in natural gas (built by Whites) instead of tipis.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JSM

    I answered you, but it got censored. Imagine mixed chavs and their culture becoming the last things English, herded into N. Ireland.

  125. @Crassus
    @Former Darfur


    such amendment could include the death sentence for breaking this agreement.....which is really the only way it would work.

     

    Assuming we could get a bunch of guys like Hitler in office, which truly is the only way it would work…
    why not start by sending away convicted murderers and rapists whose prison terms are up? Then send away larcenists and arsonists. Next kick out all depressed males (regardless of race) between the ages of 15 and 25. Then eject everyone with a diagnosed personality disorder. After this, give the boot to anyone who has ever visited a rehab facility. Finally, we could work our way down to high school students with GPAs below 3.0 and people with a net worth of less than a million dollars. But if the goal is to create a more peaceful and prosperous society, the first people to deport would be guys like Hitler.

    Replies: @Dapper Dan, @Sparkling Wiggle

    It always comes back to Hitler, doesn’t it? There’s absolutely no middle ground between shit-eating ethnomasochism and all-out genocide.

    Peaceful separation needs to be considered, if for no other reason than that it will prevent genocide.

    • Replies: @Crassus
    @Sparkling Wiggle

    Dapper Dan casually suggested that he wants to see some ethnic cleansing in America. Then he clarified that he wasn't joking.

    When someone suggests ethnic cleansing, Hitler comes to mind because Hitler orchestrated the par excellence instance of ethnic cleansing.

  126. so the beauty of the black body was never celebrated in movies,

    Here’s a beautiful black body celebrated in movies:

  127. @Maj. Kong
    @anonymous

    TNC is the most prominent public intellectual calling for slavery reparations.

    You should care, because if the Democrats ever get the Presidency and Congress, they will carry out that plan.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Curle, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @JohnnyWalker123

    Reparations predicated on accepting repatriation = best goddamn deal in the history of the universe!

  128. @e
    Other than Steve, who reads The Atlantic any longer?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Lurker

    They’ve banned my latest Disqus ID so I don’t bother.

  129. Tawny Coates is a talented writer in a lot of respects. His skill is in having learned how SWPL’s think and then selling the ghetto mentality to them. He is a translator more than anything else. He peppers his writing with just enough hood lingo to seem authentic but still retains a traditional enough voice that he doesn’t lose the college educated SWPL’s.

    His writing has a certain poetry that most sharp, analytic thinkers never develop. He is a prose talent though. He’s got a way with words as they say. He’s not a very sharp thinker though. I remember a post he once wrote about almost punching a guy at the DNC in 2004.

    He learned the wrong lessons there. He came away convinced that the violent culture he grew up in made sense in its own context. But he refused to admit that in order to succeed he had to reject the pathologies of his ghetto upbringing, and embrace a white culture where intelligent people don’t lash out at each other violently for being disrespected. He refuses to see how embracing respectability allowed him to succeed even as he condemns respectability politics.

    Or take his famous essay calling for reparations. He lays out the historical record, but fails to see how it undermines his case. Literally going from government oppression to the government drumming up “racism” out of thin air from private entities. The proof that black people are still oppressed today? The Obama justice department manufactured a case against Bank of America out of thin air on the notion that predatory loans were targeted at blacks. The evidence uncovered? Someone told some racist jokes about “mud people” in an email. Lol.

    It all sounds convincing. He’s a talented writer in that regard. Throws in some portentious cliches about a national reckoning and eating hot dogs on the fourth of july. You really do feel the Chris Matthews tingle go up your leg. He’s just not a clear and logical thinker though.

  130. @anonymous
    Who is Ta-Nehisi Coates and is there any reason I should care?

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @J1234

    My thoughts exactly.

  131. @Merema
    I feel sorry for TN Coates as I believe he is suffering from PTSD after his childhood in a black neighborhood. PTSD explain his paranoia and distorted irrational world view such as his obsession with supposed "white violence" against "black bodies".


    I try to understand him, and the only case he can make is that america's tendency of racial segregation force sensitive non violent black boys like him to live with violent blacks. I see it here in NY with the children of African immigrants who have to live in the Bronx as their parents are poor and can't afford any other neighborhood. They were endlessly bullied by their classmates to turn "ghetto" (and to the dismay of their parents they do). To be poor and black in america is to be violent or to invite black violence.

    Coates is bitter and angry because White people forced him to live with violent Blacks because they don't want to live with Blacks.

    Replies: @anon, @Jefferson, @ben tillman

    “I feel sorry for TN Coates as I believe he is suffering from PTSD after his childhood in a black neighborhood. PTSD explain his paranoia and distorted irrational world view such as his obsession with supposed “white violence” against “black bodies”.”

    It makes non sense at all, did TN Coates witness a lot of White on Black body violence take place in the all Black neighborhood he grew up? Very unlikely.

    “I try to understand him, and the only case he can make is that america’s tendency of racial segregation force sensitive non violent black boys like him to live with violent blacks.”

    Isn’t residential racial segregation between Blacks and Whites bodies a good thing? Without it Black bodies would be murdered everyday by evil White racists. If Black bodies have White next door neighbors, there is a much higher chance they will be murdered by a racist White person.

    TN Coates would not be alive today if he had grown up in a racially mixed integrated neighborhood with a sizable White population. The only reason TN Coates is alive today is because he grew up in an neighborhood where everybody racially looks like him.

  132. I’ve read a few pieces by Coates, more specifically, the first couple of paragraphs of a few pieces written by Coates. Always reminds me of Oswald Bates, who I then Google and end up laughing for 1/4 hour to 1/2 hour. Thanks for the laughs Mr. Coates.

    “First of all, we must internalize the ‘flatulation’ of the matter by transmitting the effervescence of the ‘Indianisian’ proximity in order to further segregate the crux of my venereal infection. Now, if I may retain my liquids here for one moment. I’d like to continue the ‘redundance’ of my quote, unquote ‘intestinal tract’, you see because to preclude on the issue of world domination would only circumvent – excuse me, circumcise the revelation that reflects the ‘Afro-disiatic’ symptoms which now perpetrates the Jheri Curis activation. Allow me to expose my colon once again. The ramification inflicted on the incision placed within the Fallopian cavities serves to be holistic taken from the Latin word ‘jalapeno’.”
    — Oswald Bates, In Living Color season 1 ep 3

    • Replies: @Stealth
    @TWalsh2

    Oswald Bates: my favorite "In Living Color" character.

    , @Sheila
    @TWalsh2

    Finally I learn of the guru whose writing style all black high school/college graduates emulate.

  133. @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    Sure. And let's not forget black minds have also been celebrated for decades too. Consider that the brilliant engineer who creates the chip that leads to Skynet in Terminator 2 was played by the well-spoken black actor Joe Morto (when he appeared, my son-of-a-machinist friend sitting next to me said, "now you know it's science fiction"). Was Coates the only American teen who missed T2?

    Did he miss the suave Philip Michael Thomas as Rico Tubbs in one of the most popular TV shows of the late '80s, Miami Vice?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Eric Ruttencutter, @Peter Meyer

    Don’t forget that Starfleet’s top computer scientist in the original Star Trek, Dr. Daystrom, was black, too.

  134. I wonder, will Coates be summarily dismissed from whatever literary platforms he works for in the same way that John Derbyshire was dismissed from the National Review for writing a letter to his daughter (ironically enough, about being wary of NAM’s)?

    Somehow I think not…

    Shame too – Derbyshire’s letter was far shorter and much more cogent.

  135. @Truth
    @Ron Unz

    Oh, stop your sniping, Unz, and make a solid business decision; you'd have to pay him more than Derbyshire, Sailer, and Reed,(combined) but it would be worth it to add him to the site: Imagine the international publicity!

    Replies: @BurplesonAFB, @Dave Pinsen, @Eric Ruttencutter

    Not Coates, please. Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, McWhorter, or Stanley Crouch would be fine. Or what about you? How much would Unz have to pay you for a regular column?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Eric Ruttencutter


    How much would Unz have to pay you for a regular column?
     
    You'd have to ask the great one himself that question.
  136. “the” black body. Second-hand Foucault crap.

  137. @advancedatheist
    Blacks apparently keep emphasizing their bodies because their minds don't have much going for them.

    Replies: @H2, @alcogito

    You care? I caught a glimpse of him on one of the network political shows on Sunday morning, and he said nothing worth listening to.

  138. Peter Meyer [AKA "Peter Fagan"] says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    Sure. And let's not forget black minds have also been celebrated for decades too. Consider that the brilliant engineer who creates the chip that leads to Skynet in Terminator 2 was played by the well-spoken black actor Joe Morto (when he appeared, my son-of-a-machinist friend sitting next to me said, "now you know it's science fiction"). Was Coates the only American teen who missed T2?

    Did he miss the suave Philip Michael Thomas as Rico Tubbs in one of the most popular TV shows of the late '80s, Miami Vice?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Eric Ruttencutter, @Peter Meyer

    J the Israeli Water Engineer put it nicely:

    http://h2oreuse.blogspot.com/2013/05/its-nice-to-meet-happy-people.html

    Yet the neighborhood youth feel no envy nor hostility because they know that the top lawyers, the most intelligent and powerful and wealthy are all Black (just look at the President) as well as all the computer geniuses (Matrix) and they save the world twice a day. Just watch the media: White men are pityful creatures always relying on Black leadership. The Black hero always gets the blonde. No White or Chinese they come across ever dares to insinuate anything that would contradict that obvious reality, They all say it is so, Black is the best. Why shouldnt they believe that it is so? Why shouldnt they be happy? Till the racist Richwines and the murderous White Hispanics of this world are persecuted and put in jail, as (we all agree that they) deserve, he can walk safely the poorest ghettos of America.

    Let the baby have his bottle, I guess.

  139. @Eric Ruttencutter
    @Truth

    Not Coates, please. Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, McWhorter, or Stanley Crouch would be fine. Or what about you? How much would Unz have to pay you for a regular column?

    Replies: @Truth

    How much would Unz have to pay you for a regular column?

    You’d have to ask the great one himself that question.

  140. Don’t know about Coates’ black body, but his black mind is a black void, or should I say ” blank”?.

  141. @Anonymous
    I know one thing about black bodies...

    White girls will walk over burning coals to be with one!

    Replies: @Calogero, @Honorary Thief, @dcite

    You forgot to mention that at least 75 percent of those white women will be obese hillbillies who couldn’t get a white man if they tried. A good percentage of those couldn’t even get a Mestizo if they tried. If you don’t believe me, take a ride through any poor white area that is turning into a black or Mexican area. All of the nice looking white women will be around white men and the ones who belong on ” My 600 Pound Life “will be pushing around a carriage with a mulatto child in it.

  142. @AnotherDad
    @e

    I kinda think it's impossible for a straight male--perhaps any male?--to have any serious interest in a women's sporting event that your daughter is not in.

    Replies: @SFG, @Dave Pinsen, @Vendetta

    Depends if the women playing are the kind who could be pinup models. Guys will watch it for the eye candy but they’re not about to become serious fans.

    Women’s gymnastics at the Olympics is about the only women’s sport I’ll watch for the merits of the performance.

  143. Neoconned [AKA "Truth is treason"] says:
    @FredR
    Surely 5 figures is a steal when the speaker is, according to Noah Smith, better than Tolstoy: https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/617800804477571072

    Replies: @5371, @Neoconned

    Wow. Better than Tolstoy? Why do these SJW types all appear to be cast members of Revenge of the Nerds?

  144. @syonredux
    Here's stuff from an old profile on TN Coates.It's quite revealing:

    “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”

    Once, Bennet recalls, Coates was engaged in a gun control debate on the Atlantic’s Web site with Jeffrey Goldberg, a well-known colleague at the magazine. Goldberg referred to the philosopher and theologian Saint Augustine. Coates confessed that he didn’t know who Saint Augustine was, then charged ahead with the debate.

    “I can’t think of another writer who wouldn’t have Googled it!” Bennet says.”
     
    I find it quite astounding that TNC can’t quite catch the aura of paternalistic condescension in such remarks. Bennet is basically saying that he hired an underqualified man to write for THE ATLANTIC. His reason: So that the good White folks who read the magazine can be edified by watching him learn and grow.

    As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.
     
    He basically just said that he is an inarticulate manchild.

    “You get here and people say, ‘Why can’t you do that for our community?’ ” Coates says one morning at a Capitol Hill coffee shop. He calls the reaction “disrespectful” but “not illogical.” Disrespectful because he believes the experience of blacks in America deserves its own, focused examination. Not illogical because he can empathize with the desire of people who feel wronged.
     
    Respect is a key word in TNC’s lexicon, another sign, perhaps, of his immaturity.

    You know, it’s pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC.




    coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html >http://m.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/with-atlantic-article-on-reparations-ta-nehisi-coates-sees-payoff-for-years-of-struggle/2014/06/18/6a2bd10e-f636-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Stealth

    His Atlantic piece was really kind of crazy sounding. He seems like the kind of person who repeats things in his head over and over again.

  145. @Anonymous
    I know one thing about black bodies...

    White girls will walk over burning coals to be with one!

    Replies: @Calogero, @Honorary Thief, @dcite

    I “loled” at that.

  146. @JSM
    Astronomy has a term for ultracollapsed stars called "black holes". That's racist! Astronomy's also got a term "black body radiation." That's gotta be racist, too. (Referring to a particular odor, maybe?)

    Replies: @Glossy, @Honorary Thief

    Racism is woven into the fabric of the universe!

  147. @Harry Baldwin
    @Dapper Dan

    No man or woman should have to live in a society they resent and despise,

    I'm beginning to resent and despise my society too, but I'm white. Can I get in on this $250,000 deal if I find another place to go?

    Replies: @Clyde

    I’m beginning to resent and despise my society too, but I’m white. Can I get in on this $250,000 deal if I find another place to go?

    You could live very well off the interest in Albania if want to live in a white country. Philippines if diverse is OK with you.

  148. Sure. And let’s not forget black minds have also been celebrated for decades too. Consider that the brilliant engineer who creates the chip that leads to Skynet in Terminator 2 was played by the well-spoken black actor Joe Morto (when he appeared, my son-of-a-machinist friend sitting next to me said, “now you know it’s science fiction”). Was Coates the only American teen who missed T2?

    Did he miss the suave Philip Michael Thomas as Rico Tubbs in one of the most popular TV shows of the late ’80s, Miami Vice?

    The irony is that smart, hardworking, articulate blacks are rare enough that they can all make far more money playing scientists than being scientists.

  149. @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    Watching this clip of "Brown Sugar" from 43 years ago, it struck me that the 1970s were like the 2010s, only fun.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bill P

    How could anything be like the 70s without the fun? After the 70s, my early-boomer dad stayed there culturally and behaviorally, and died in early 2010 because, well, he lived the lifestyle to the end. He would have hated how this decade has turned out.

    The 1970s were pretty bad in their own way, but the 2010s are a cultural nightmare with no redeeming artistic qualities to match. Also, the crime in the 70s was a lot worse. It was chaos on the streets. The 2010s don’t even come close.

    Maybe, however, you could say the 2010s are like a geriatric 70s revival with all the responsible and ambitious survivors of that era currently in charge of everything and making the rest of us relive their sanitized version of Jim Jones’ rainbow family dream.

  150. @Harry Baldwin
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The quality of our white national opinion journalists is very low. The majority of them were supporters of the completely insane (and disastrous) Iraq War. They also have been huge supporters of free trade, immigration, financialization, ruinous levels of public spending, and other absurd policies.

    All it takes is one Davos Conference, and you're on board with the whole program.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    I still think that blacks have one strength as a people.

    That strength is that they’re mostly focused on bread-and-butter daily concerns, primarily economic issues. You seldomly hear blacks spout nonsense about “defending Israel” or “winning the War on Terror” or “protecting job creators from unions.” Unfortunately, lots of whites embrace this ridiculous thinking. It’s not just Davos Men, it’s ordinary people who watch Fox News or listen to talk radio.

    A large percentage of white Americans are seriously dumb. They got on board with the whole Iraq War project. Blacks, on the other hand, sensibly never gave a damn about Saddam Hussein and his “weapons of mass destruction.”

    One recent study found that 43% of White-Americans believe that WMDs were found in Iraq. For non-whites, only 40% believe this. http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2015/false/

    In a 2004 poll, 76% of blacks said the Iraq War was a mistake. Only 42% of whites believed the Iraq War was a mistake.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "JohnnyWalker123 says:

    @Harry Baldwin

    I still think that blacks have one strength as a people.

    That strength is that they’re mostly focused on bread-and-butter daily concerns, primarily economic issues. You seldomly hear blacks spout nonsense about “defending Israel” or “winning the War on Terror” or “protecting job creators from unions.” Unfortunately, lots of whites embrace this ridiculous thinking. It’s not just Davos Men, it’s ordinary people who watch Fox News or listen to talk radio."

    A good point. The things that do and do not motivate white voters in this country are mystifying.

  151. @Maj. Kong
    @anonymous

    TNC is the most prominent public intellectual calling for slavery reparations.

    You should care, because if the Democrats ever get the Presidency and Congress, they will carry out that plan.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Curle, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @JohnnyWalker123

    This is ridiculous.

    Not just because Democrats haven’t tried to ever seriously push reparations at any point (even when they controlled both the Congress and the White House), but because you’re implying that we should be less scared of Republicans.

    From what I remember, Republicans and “moderate” Democrats pushed this nonsensical war in Iraq. This war was started for absolutely insane reasons like “weapons of mass destruction” (which were never found) and Iraq-911 ties (which were outright lies). The consequence of this Iraq War is $5 trillion in long-term expenditure, 1 million injuries of veterans, and about 5000 soldier deaths. The Congressional Black Caucaus and the large majority of blacks opposed this war from the beginning.

    Ta Nehisi Coates wants reparations of $34 billion/yr for 20 years. The total cost of that ($680 billion), is about 1/7th the cost of the Iraq War. It’d also be less destructive, as it could be done without any casualties and would at least result in a high percentage of the money being pumped into the US economy.

    Does that mean I support reparations? No.

    ….but let’s be realistic. The Iraq idiocy of White-Americans has bankrupted our country. In comparison to the type of policies that the typical white civilian or leader supports, the reparations idea is not as remotely stupid.

    If Ta Nehisi Coates had run the US govt from 2001 to 2015, this country ‘s budget would probably be in better shape than it is currently.

    We can sit here and mock Coates for his obsession with blacks and reparations, but it’s still less nonsensical than what we’ve seen from mainstream politcal leadership over the past 14 years.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Ta Nehisi Coates wants reparations of $34 billion/yr for 20 years
     
    Reparations is redundant in a welfare state.

    $34,000m / 41m = $829 year received.
    That's a very trivial sum compared to other benefits.

    $34,000m / 198m = $172 year paid out.
    Also a trivial sum.

    We have records going back. We could trace genealogies of slave owners through primogeniture and bill living descendents pro-rated on number of slaves owned.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @Truth
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Another excellent post, Mr. Walker.

  152. @TWalsh2
    I've read a few pieces by Coates, more specifically, the first couple of paragraphs of a few pieces written by Coates. Always reminds me of Oswald Bates, who I then Google and end up laughing for 1/4 hour to 1/2 hour. Thanks for the laughs Mr. Coates.

    "First of all, we must internalize the 'flatulation' of the matter by transmitting the effervescence of the 'Indianisian' proximity in order to further segregate the crux of my venereal infection. Now, if I may retain my liquids here for one moment. I'd like to continue the 'redundance' of my quote, unquote 'intestinal tract', you see because to preclude on the issue of world domination would only circumvent - excuse me, circumcise the revelation that reflects the 'Afro-disiatic' symptoms which now perpetrates the Jheri Curis activation. Allow me to expose my colon once again. The ramification inflicted on the incision placed within the Fallopian cavities serves to be holistic taken from the Latin word 'jalapeno'."
    -- Oswald Bates, In Living Color season 1 ep 3

    Replies: @Stealth, @Sheila

    Oswald Bates: my favorite “In Living Color” character.

  153. @Anonymous
    I know one thing about black bodies...

    White girls will walk over burning coals to be with one!

    Replies: @Calogero, @Honorary Thief, @dcite

    Whiskey, I mean Looking, finding someone attractive objectively (especially when you’re supposed to), and being attracted to them, is not the same thing. And I’m sure, in all fairness, the same is probably true from the black pov. From Jane Goodall’s observations, in any primate troop , about 3% are attracted to go looking outside their group for a paramour. Usually it ends badly, apparently. 97% have no such pressing urge.

  154. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth
    @Anon


    McCarthy is still a dark figure on the ‘left’, but we don’t hear about him as much as we used to.
     
    Would anyone else care to opine as to why we don't hear about a man who died in 1957 anymore?

    Replies: @Anon, @Mr. Anon

    “Would anyone else care to opine as to why we don’t hear about a man who died in 1957 anymore?”

    Silly Negro…

    Back in 1980s on TV, it was McCarthy, McCarthy, McCarthy all the time. I mostly watched PBS, and mentioning bad ole McCarthy was equivalent to mentioning ‘climate change’ today. (Watch any show today on PBS and they somehow connect the subject matter to climate change.)

    And even in the 90s, it was McCarthy. In college, if you wanted to mention eeeeeeeeeevil, it was McCarthy followed by Hitler.

    So, McCarthy was very much kept alive. The reason why many people didn’t applaud Kazan when he got the lifetime award was because of the ‘McCarthy Era’.

    Even now, whenever discussion of 50s cinema come up, it’s about the McCarthy era and the blacklist.

    So, I do take notice of the relative silence about McCarthy lately.
    Progs gotta admit they hate his politics but love his tactics. Indeed, they’ve taken it further to the point where even a weak joke like ‘Caitlyn Something’ is censored.

    And poor poor Rick Sanchez and Helen Thomas

    Btw, MLK died in 1968. When are we gonna stop hearing about him?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Anon

    Back in 1980s on TV, it was McCarthy, McCarthy, McCarthy all the time. I mostly watched PBS,

    Even the 80's ended 25 years ago, Sport.

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @Anon

  155. @Mr. Anon
    "Dapper Dan says:

    I don’t know what his IQ is, but he is clearly my equal as a writer, if not superior."

    Mental Note: Don't read any thing "Dapper Dan" has written either.

    Replies: @dcite

    Could be his literary agent.

  156. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @penntothal
    @Anonymous

    "Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?"

    Comparing the intrinsic "value" of primitive and modern societies mostly fruitless, because the comparison is so very subjective.

    There is, however, one objective measure: the revealed preferences of primitive peoples when exposed to modern society. People vote with their feet. How many modern westerners are seeking to migrate to Africa? How many primitives, exposed to modern technology, food, cell-phones, etc, choose not to make use of them?

    The only counter-example I can think of: recent moral decadence of post-modern society has sparked a mini-trend in the opposite direction: children of the West seeking fulfillment in a primitive form of Islam. (Think of "American Taliban" John Walker Lindh and his "open-marriage" bisexual dad.)

    Replies: @Anonymous

    There is, however, one objective measure: the revealed preferences of primitive peoples when exposed to modern society. People vote with their feet. How many modern westerners are seeking to migrate to Africa? How many primitives, exposed to modern technology, food, cell-phones, etc, choose not to make use of them?

    Right, but that’s no different than the modern world’s desire for unhealthy food, dependence on consumer debt, or addiction to drugs. New and/or easy is always appealing. Pointing out the weakness in average human beings doesn’t prove anything.

    • Replies: @penntothal
    @Anonymous

    The modern world makes unhealthy food, consumer debt, and mind-altering drugs more readily available. That does not mean that the modern world collectively "prefers" these things. Some prefer them, some have the moral fiber and self-control to eschew them. Maybe the modern world calls for more discipline.

    But primitives were no less susceptible to these evils- they just didn't always have the access.

    Mind-altering drugs like coca leaf, khat, peyote, smoked opium and hashish have been used and abused by primitives worldwide for century. There is nothing intrinsically noble about the primitive, although there certainly were noble members of primitive society, just as there are noble members of modern society.

  157. What was also amazing was that a lot of those 350-lb women apparently thought they were hot, wearing tight, garish clothing.

    I’ve noticed that too, but in fairness, when you’re 350 pounds most of the clothes available are going to be tight.

  158. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Anonymous

    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide.

     

    What about the colonisers of Europe?

    Ottoman Hungary
    1541 to 1699
    ...
    An estimated 3 million Hungarians were enslaved and dispersed into the Ottoman Empire.
    ...
    The Sublime Porte (Ottoman rulers) became the sole landowner and managed about 20 percent of the land for its own benefit, apportioning the rest among soldiers and civil servants. The Ottoman landlords were interested mainly in squeezing as much wealth from the land as quickly as possible.
    ...
    Wars, slave-taking, and the emigration of nobles who lost their land caused a depopulation of the countryside.
    ...
    There were approximately 80,000 Muslim settlers in Ottoman-controlled territory of present-day Hungary
    ...
    As a consequence of the 150 years of constant warfare between the Christian states and Ottomans, population growth was stunted, and the network of ethnic Hungarian medieval settlements, with their urbanized bourgeois inhabitants, perished. The ethnic composition of the territory that formerly was part of the medieval Kingdom of Hungary was fundamentally changed through deportations and massacres, so that the number of ethnic Hungarians in existence at the end of the Ottoman period was substantially diminished.
     

    Replies: @Anonymous

    No reason to make this a White/non-White issue. There were countless tragedies in history. The point is there is nothing wrong with wanting redress. And I alluded to in another post, just because some groups don’t care for redress, doesn’t mean other groups can’t or shouldn’t. Some reasons why New world colonization and slavery remain controversial are that they’re fairly recent in history, both of their recognized direct descendents are still around, well documented, they happened here, and most importantly, the scars of the tragedies are not just visible to everyone, but felt by their descendents. Feelings are subjective, but they matter because we’re human.

  159. @Sparkling Wiggle
    @Crassus

    It always comes back to Hitler, doesn't it? There's absolutely no middle ground between shit-eating ethnomasochism and all-out genocide.

    Peaceful separation needs to be considered, if for no other reason than that it will prevent genocide.

    Replies: @Crassus

    Dapper Dan casually suggested that he wants to see some ethnic cleansing in America. Then he clarified that he wasn’t joking.

    When someone suggests ethnic cleansing, Hitler comes to mind because Hitler orchestrated the par excellence instance of ethnic cleansing.

  160. @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide.
     
    And 90% of the killing was done by "invisible bullets": Old World diseases.That's why the Americas and the Antipodes were so different from Africa and Asia.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Biological WMD

  161. @JSM
    @Anonymous


    Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?
     
    Well, a cold-eyed look would indicate that the very Native Americans alive today who are the descendants of 16th century Native Americans who hunted and fished yada yada, those Native Americans alive today, themselves, don't think too much of that lifestyle.

    Because, take the Crow Indian reservation in southern Montana. That land is 3500 square miles of prime buffalo country. But there are no buffalo there. Instead, the Indians living there live in U.S. gov't-built housing, not tipis. They drive beat up old cars to Harden to get drunk rather than keep horses to ride to go fishing. They work in the casino. That's what they do.

    SO, answer me this: If hunting and fishing and living the primitive lifestyle is so great, how come the Indians living there never bothered to develop and nurture a buffalo herd that they could hunt?

    Instead, when the White man's Game and Fish department shoots a buffalo for leaving Yellowstone Park (a reserve the same size for buffalo, set up and maintained by the White man) the Indians demand it be GIVEN to their tribes.

    NOTE: the WHITE man made a reserve of 3500 square miles named Yellowstone and upon it he put a few buffalo and through natural increase now has a sizable herd that has to be culled, even, when there's so many that they start wandering out of the park.

    The INDIANS have a reserve of equal size, 3500 square miles, of country that's even BETTER for buffalo. Did they ever get around to starting a herd that through natural increase would give them animals to hunt? Nope.

    They show by their actions the lifestyle they like better: taking White man's welfare, driving old trucks instead of riding horses, and living in houses heated with piped-in natural gas (built by Whites) instead of tipis.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I answered you, but it got censored. Imagine mixed chavs and their culture becoming the last things English, herded into N. Ireland.

  162. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Maj. Kong

    This is ridiculous.

    Not just because Democrats haven't tried to ever seriously push reparations at any point (even when they controlled both the Congress and the White House), but because you're implying that we should be less scared of Republicans.

    From what I remember, Republicans and "moderate" Democrats pushed this nonsensical war in Iraq. This war was started for absolutely insane reasons like "weapons of mass destruction" (which were never found) and Iraq-911 ties (which were outright lies). The consequence of this Iraq War is $5 trillion in long-term expenditure, 1 million injuries of veterans, and about 5000 soldier deaths. The Congressional Black Caucaus and the large majority of blacks opposed this war from the beginning.

    Ta Nehisi Coates wants reparations of $34 billion/yr for 20 years. The total cost of that ($680 billion), is about 1/7th the cost of the Iraq War. It'd also be less destructive, as it could be done without any casualties and would at least result in a high percentage of the money being pumped into the US economy.

    Does that mean I support reparations? No.

    ....but let's be realistic. The Iraq idiocy of White-Americans has bankrupted our country. In comparison to the type of policies that the typical white civilian or leader supports, the reparations idea is not as remotely stupid.

    If Ta Nehisi Coates had run the US govt from 2001 to 2015, this country 's budget would probably be in better shape than it is currently.

    We can sit here and mock Coates for his obsession with blacks and reparations, but it's still less nonsensical than what we've seen from mainstream politcal leadership over the past 14 years.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Truth

    Ta Nehisi Coates wants reparations of $34 billion/yr for 20 years

    Reparations is redundant in a welfare state.

    $34,000m / 41m = $829 year received.
    That’s a very trivial sum compared to other benefits.

    $34,000m / 198m = $172 year paid out.
    Also a trivial sum.

    We have records going back. We could trace genealogies of slave owners through primogeniture and bill living descendents pro-rated on number of slaves owned.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    I'd support the reparations idea as long as that money came from the "War on Terror" budget. If we scaled back the war on terror and spent the money on reparations, we'd get the benefit of domestic stimulus and fewer troop deaths/injuries. Also, since this war is creating more terrorists than it kills,
    my idea would have the benefit of making America safer.

    Replies: @Crassus

  163. @Truth
    @Anon


    McCarthy is still a dark figure on the ‘left’, but we don’t hear about him as much as we used to.
     
    Would anyone else care to opine as to why we don't hear about a man who died in 1957 anymore?

    Replies: @Anon, @Mr. Anon

    “Would anyone else care to opine as to why we don’t hear about a man who died in 1957 anymore?”

    You mean like Emmett Till (died, 1955)?

    • Replies: @Sheila
    @Mr. Anon

    No, no, you don't understand. That's not really "old." Old old is Emmett Till's dad, Louis the rapist and murderer. Now that's old and forgotten.

  164. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Ta Nehisi Coates wants reparations of $34 billion/yr for 20 years
     
    Reparations is redundant in a welfare state.

    $34,000m / 41m = $829 year received.
    That's a very trivial sum compared to other benefits.

    $34,000m / 198m = $172 year paid out.
    Also a trivial sum.

    We have records going back. We could trace genealogies of slave owners through primogeniture and bill living descendents pro-rated on number of slaves owned.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    I’d support the reparations idea as long as that money came from the “War on Terror” budget. If we scaled back the war on terror and spent the money on reparations, we’d get the benefit of domestic stimulus and fewer troop deaths/injuries. Also, since this war is creating more terrorists than it kills,
    my idea would have the benefit of making America safer.

    • Replies: @Crassus
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I like the idea of giving reparations to really charismatic people who will do interesting things with the money. I'd like to see tens of millions of dollars given to P. Diddy and Snoop Dogg and call it reparations, and stipulate that these rappers and their friends can only keep 5% of it, and they need to do something awesome with the rest.

  165. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    I'd support the reparations idea as long as that money came from the "War on Terror" budget. If we scaled back the war on terror and spent the money on reparations, we'd get the benefit of domestic stimulus and fewer troop deaths/injuries. Also, since this war is creating more terrorists than it kills,
    my idea would have the benefit of making America safer.

    Replies: @Crassus

    I like the idea of giving reparations to really charismatic people who will do interesting things with the money. I’d like to see tens of millions of dollars given to P. Diddy and Snoop Dogg and call it reparations, and stipulate that these rappers and their friends can only keep 5% of it, and they need to do something awesome with the rest.

  166. @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    What was done in the New World was vastly different from what colonizers did in Africa and Asia: Genocide. It seems that many excuse colonization and genocide by pointing to the development, advancement, and accomplishments. Does it ever occur to anyone making this argument that regardless of how primitive a society is, their culture still permits most people to live a full life that strums every emotional chord?

    Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?

    Yes, war, invasions, disease, etc. all those bad things are real and they happen. And, there's nothing wrong with wanting redress. The level of callousness evident in your post is shared by those wanting white genocide.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @syonredux, @penntothal, @Hippopotamusdrome, @anon, @JSM, @Curle

    Does anyone in post-modern times actually believe that their life is fuller, more rewarding, and thus more valuable than a 16th century Native American who hunted and fished, married, fought, raised children, etc?

    Justice Kennedy does. Now they can have a same-sex marriage. And they have the near stratospheric levels of pleasure that comes from living in a diverse culture. They have Rihanna.

  167. The whole idea of reparations is ludicruous. Is there any living Black in America who has suffered slavery? Yesterday a black granny of 112 years just died. She claimed her grand- parents had been slaves. That’s how far back in time you have to go to find actual slaves. You could make the case that the children of slaves deserve reparations. But no black American today deserves reparations of any kind. On the contrary they should be grateful they live in America, where most of them enjoy a high standard of living they do not deserve according to their merit or effort. Instead of whining and protesting and being obnoxious to other citizens of all hues, they should go down on their knees each morning and thank the Man for all the goodies they get: free food, accomodation, medical care, affirmative action and pocket money so they can support themselves.
    Sometimes I wonder if what they really resent is Jim Crow, not slavery. That’s still within living memory, and if there’s one thing Negroes dislike it’s being told what to do and their proper place in the world. They call it being dissed.Admitedly only black people over sixty can recall Jim Crow.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @BB753

    In the 1930s there were still a few former slaves alive and the folklore preserving people would sometimes interview them, sometimes even recording them like old blues singers on disk machines. Very few of them were particularly bitter, and more than one mentioned that the post-slavery years were materially worse for them. That's why much of this material has actually been destroyed or sequestered in restricted collections.

    My concept of reparations is to provide a clearly demarcated exit for those individuals of actual slave descent who believe they can't succeed because of this legacy. Since it is a voluntary program, comparisons to Hitlerism mean nothing to me except to prove the idiocy of those making them.

  168. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Harry Baldwin

    I still think that blacks have one strength as a people.

    That strength is that they're mostly focused on bread-and-butter daily concerns, primarily economic issues. You seldomly hear blacks spout nonsense about "defending Israel" or "winning the War on Terror" or "protecting job creators from unions." Unfortunately, lots of whites embrace this ridiculous thinking. It's not just Davos Men, it's ordinary people who watch Fox News or listen to talk radio.

    A large percentage of white Americans are seriously dumb. They got on board with the whole Iraq War project. Blacks, on the other hand, sensibly never gave a damn about Saddam Hussein and his "weapons of mass destruction."

    One recent study found that 43% of White-Americans believe that WMDs were found in Iraq. For non-whites, only 40% believe this. http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2015/false/

    In a 2004 poll, 76% of blacks said the Iraq War was a mistake. Only 42% of whites believed the Iraq War was a mistake.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “JohnnyWalker123 says:

    I still think that blacks have one strength as a people.

    That strength is that they’re mostly focused on bread-and-butter daily concerns, primarily economic issues. You seldomly hear blacks spout nonsense about “defending Israel” or “winning the War on Terror” or “protecting job creators from unions.” Unfortunately, lots of whites embrace this ridiculous thinking. It’s not just Davos Men, it’s ordinary people who watch Fox News or listen to talk radio.”

    A good point. The things that do and do not motivate white voters in this country are mystifying.

  169. @TWalsh2
    I've read a few pieces by Coates, more specifically, the first couple of paragraphs of a few pieces written by Coates. Always reminds me of Oswald Bates, who I then Google and end up laughing for 1/4 hour to 1/2 hour. Thanks for the laughs Mr. Coates.

    "First of all, we must internalize the 'flatulation' of the matter by transmitting the effervescence of the 'Indianisian' proximity in order to further segregate the crux of my venereal infection. Now, if I may retain my liquids here for one moment. I'd like to continue the 'redundance' of my quote, unquote 'intestinal tract', you see because to preclude on the issue of world domination would only circumvent - excuse me, circumcise the revelation that reflects the 'Afro-disiatic' symptoms which now perpetrates the Jheri Curis activation. Allow me to expose my colon once again. The ramification inflicted on the incision placed within the Fallopian cavities serves to be holistic taken from the Latin word 'jalapeno'."
    -- Oswald Bates, In Living Color season 1 ep 3

    Replies: @Stealth, @Sheila

    Finally I learn of the guru whose writing style all black high school/college graduates emulate.

  170. @Mr. Anon
    @Truth

    "Would anyone else care to opine as to why we don’t hear about a man who died in 1957 anymore?"

    You mean like Emmett Till (died, 1955)?

    Replies: @Sheila

    No, no, you don’t understand. That’s not really “old.” Old old is Emmett Till’s dad, Louis the rapist and murderer. Now that’s old and forgotten.

  171. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Maj. Kong

    This is ridiculous.

    Not just because Democrats haven't tried to ever seriously push reparations at any point (even when they controlled both the Congress and the White House), but because you're implying that we should be less scared of Republicans.

    From what I remember, Republicans and "moderate" Democrats pushed this nonsensical war in Iraq. This war was started for absolutely insane reasons like "weapons of mass destruction" (which were never found) and Iraq-911 ties (which were outright lies). The consequence of this Iraq War is $5 trillion in long-term expenditure, 1 million injuries of veterans, and about 5000 soldier deaths. The Congressional Black Caucaus and the large majority of blacks opposed this war from the beginning.

    Ta Nehisi Coates wants reparations of $34 billion/yr for 20 years. The total cost of that ($680 billion), is about 1/7th the cost of the Iraq War. It'd also be less destructive, as it could be done without any casualties and would at least result in a high percentage of the money being pumped into the US economy.

    Does that mean I support reparations? No.

    ....but let's be realistic. The Iraq idiocy of White-Americans has bankrupted our country. In comparison to the type of policies that the typical white civilian or leader supports, the reparations idea is not as remotely stupid.

    If Ta Nehisi Coates had run the US govt from 2001 to 2015, this country 's budget would probably be in better shape than it is currently.

    We can sit here and mock Coates for his obsession with blacks and reparations, but it's still less nonsensical than what we've seen from mainstream politcal leadership over the past 14 years.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Truth

    Another excellent post, Mr. Walker.

  172. @Anon
    @Truth

    "Would anyone else care to opine as to why we don’t hear about a man who died in 1957 anymore?"

    Silly Negro...

    Back in 1980s on TV, it was McCarthy, McCarthy, McCarthy all the time. I mostly watched PBS, and mentioning bad ole McCarthy was equivalent to mentioning 'climate change' today. (Watch any show today on PBS and they somehow connect the subject matter to climate change.)

    And even in the 90s, it was McCarthy. In college, if you wanted to mention eeeeeeeeeevil, it was McCarthy followed by Hitler.

    So, McCarthy was very much kept alive. The reason why many people didn't applaud Kazan when he got the lifetime award was because of the 'McCarthy Era'.

    Even now, whenever discussion of 50s cinema come up, it's about the McCarthy era and the blacklist.

    So, I do take notice of the relative silence about McCarthy lately.
    Progs gotta admit they hate his politics but love his tactics. Indeed, they've taken it further to the point where even a weak joke like 'Caitlyn Something' is censored.

    And poor poor Rick Sanchez and Helen Thomas

    Btw, MLK died in 1968. When are we gonna stop hearing about him?

    Replies: @Truth

    Back in 1980s on TV, it was McCarthy, McCarthy, McCarthy all the time. I mostly watched PBS,

    Even the 80’s ended 25 years ago, Sport.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Truth

    This coincides exactly with the release of Soviet archives and VENONA. Several of the liberal "martyrs" from the McCarthy era were proven to have been on the Soviet payroll or voluntarily providing information to the Soviet intelligence organs. Instantly it went to crickets and bird chirps from the Left. Their "opinions" are as carefully synchronized as the Blue Angels' formation aerobatics, which made the Right convinced for years there was a central leftism planning agency, in exactly the same way as the Soviets themselves were once convinced the American economy was really controlled by a huge and immensely efficient central planning agency, since the shortages and oversupplies of the Soviet system were almost nonexistent here.

    , @Anon
    @Truth

    "Even the 80′s ended 25 years ago, Sport."

    But the Jim Crow Era and To Kill a Mockingbird never seem to go away. Hmm.

    And 12 yrs a slave aka Passion of the Negro.

    Why is that?

    Replies: @Truth

  173. @Anon
    http://buzzpo.com/you-wont-believe-what-caitlyn-jenner-was-caught-wearing/

    What passes for 'courage' in new America.

    Replies: @V Vega, @Harry Baldwin

    It isn’t weird enough that Jenner thinks he’s a woman, he thinks he’s a young woman. One who looks good in a mini-skirt. I wonder if some of these transgenders imagine that while they’re changing their gender, they’re also slicing off a few decades. That really underscores the extent of their delusion.

  174. @Truth
    @Anon

    Back in 1980s on TV, it was McCarthy, McCarthy, McCarthy all the time. I mostly watched PBS,

    Even the 80's ended 25 years ago, Sport.

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @Anon

    This coincides exactly with the release of Soviet archives and VENONA. Several of the liberal “martyrs” from the McCarthy era were proven to have been on the Soviet payroll or voluntarily providing information to the Soviet intelligence organs. Instantly it went to crickets and bird chirps from the Left. Their “opinions” are as carefully synchronized as the Blue Angels’ formation aerobatics, which made the Right convinced for years there was a central leftism planning agency, in exactly the same way as the Soviets themselves were once convinced the American economy was really controlled by a huge and immensely efficient central planning agency, since the shortages and oversupplies of the Soviet system were almost nonexistent here.

  175. @BB753
    The whole idea of reparations is ludicruous. Is there any living Black in America who has suffered slavery? Yesterday a black granny of 112 years just died. She claimed her grand- parents had been slaves. That's how far back in time you have to go to find actual slaves. You could make the case that the children of slaves deserve reparations. But no black American today deserves reparations of any kind. On the contrary they should be grateful they live in America, where most of them enjoy a high standard of living they do not deserve according to their merit or effort. Instead of whining and protesting and being obnoxious to other citizens of all hues, they should go down on their knees each morning and thank the Man for all the goodies they get: free food, accomodation, medical care, affirmative action and pocket money so they can support themselves.
    Sometimes I wonder if what they really resent is Jim Crow, not slavery. That's still within living memory, and if there's one thing Negroes dislike it's being told what to do and their proper place in the world. They call it being dissed.Admitedly only black people over sixty can recall Jim Crow.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    In the 1930s there were still a few former slaves alive and the folklore preserving people would sometimes interview them, sometimes even recording them like old blues singers on disk machines. Very few of them were particularly bitter, and more than one mentioned that the post-slavery years were materially worse for them. That’s why much of this material has actually been destroyed or sequestered in restricted collections.

    My concept of reparations is to provide a clearly demarcated exit for those individuals of actual slave descent who believe they can’t succeed because of this legacy. Since it is a voluntary program, comparisons to Hitlerism mean nothing to me except to prove the idiocy of those making them.

  176. I question the accuracy of the Speakerpedia site that gives the figures for Coates’s speeches, though in his case they may be right. But according to it, Carla Bruni can command $150 000-300 000 more for a speech than Bill Clinton.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Rob McX

    Carla won't sexually assault the help.

  177. @Anonymous
    @penntothal

    There is, however, one objective measure: the revealed preferences of primitive peoples when exposed to modern society. People vote with their feet. How many modern westerners are seeking to migrate to Africa? How many primitives, exposed to modern technology, food, cell-phones, etc, choose not to make use of them?

    Right, but that's no different than the modern world's desire for unhealthy food, dependence on consumer debt, or addiction to drugs. New and/or easy is always appealing. Pointing out the weakness in average human beings doesn't prove anything.

    Replies: @penntothal

    The modern world makes unhealthy food, consumer debt, and mind-altering drugs more readily available. That does not mean that the modern world collectively “prefers” these things. Some prefer them, some have the moral fiber and self-control to eschew them. Maybe the modern world calls for more discipline.

    But primitives were no less susceptible to these evils- they just didn’t always have the access.

    Mind-altering drugs like coca leaf, khat, peyote, smoked opium and hashish have been used and abused by primitives worldwide for century. There is nothing intrinsically noble about the primitive, although there certainly were noble members of primitive society, just as there are noble members of modern society.

  178. @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    I agree, my point was there's nothing wrong with wanting redress. And since it's recent and well documented, what happened to countless peoples in history isn't a valid reason why a redress isn't in order.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    I agree, my point was there’s nothing wrong with wanting redress. And since it’s recent and well documented, what happened to countless peoples in history isn’t a valid reason why a redress isn’t in order.

    Redress for what? They weren’t part of the same moral community.

  179. @Dapper Dan
    @Anon

    Mention of McCarthy has been Dynamically Silenced for two reasons: access to Soviet archives in the Yeltin years byWestern researchers, and the declassification of VENONA in the US.

    McCarthy was largely, although to be fair not entirely, vindicated. Most-not all, but most-of those he denounced as Communists really were.

    As for "The Crucible", Miller knew full well that there really were communists and that at least many of those blacklisted were among them. Further, the blacklist was not a government edict against communist writers, but a voluntary agreement on the part of a still somewhat patriotic and decent entertainment business to not employ them. Everyone else did too.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @ben tillman

    McCarthy was largely, although to be fair not entirely, vindicated.

    Why would you feel the need “to be fair” to those who vilified him?

  180. Coates deserves all the criticism directed at him, but the quality of his thought is not particularly bad in comparison to his fellow writers. I don’t want to sound like I’m defending him, but it’s unfair to claim that he’s much worse than the typical white writer.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @ben tillman


    …but it’s unfair to claim that he’s much worse than the typical white writer.
     
    That's low expectations indeed, you soft bigot.
    , @Anon
    @ben tillman

    It's his sanctimonious tone that is most grating.

  181. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Hepp

    The quality of our white national opinion journalists is very low. The majority of them were supporters of the completely insane (and disastrous) Iraq War. They also have been huge supporters of free trade, immigration, financialization, ruinous levels of public spending, and other absurd policies.

    "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction."
    "Wall-Street bankers are job creators."
    "Immigrants do jobs Americans won't do."
    "We need a guest-worker program to alleviate worker shortages."
    "NAFTA created jobs."
    "Israel is our most loyal ally."
    "Obama threw Israel under the bust."

    When that constitutes the mainstream of American thinking, what does that say about our intelligentsia?

    Coates deserves all the criticism directed at him, but the quality of his thought is not particularly bad in comparison to his fellow writers. I don't want to sound like I'm defending him, but it's unfair to claim that he's much worse than the typical white writer.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @ben tillman

    Coates deserves all the criticism directed at him, but the quality of his thought is not particularly bad in comparison to his fellow writers. I don’t want to sound like I’m defending him, but it’s unfair to claim that he’s much worse than the typical white writer.

    The claim isn’t that he’s worse; it’s that he’s stupider. And that is true.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @ben tillman

    Except that if they weren't stupid, they wouldn't have gotten on board with the Iraq project. I recall Bush (and many other media sycophants) making the point that if we "didn't fight them over there [Iraq], we'll have to fight them here." Anybody that could make such a breathtakingly stupid point is worse than Coates.
    I guess you could argue that most of those reporters are smart people that lie for career reasons, but that's pretty bad too.

    Also, in Bush's case, I'm pretty sure he's dumber than Coates and really did believe his propaganda.

    The point is that Coates isn't that out of place.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  182. @ben tillman
    Coates deserves all the criticism directed at him, but the quality of his thought is not particularly bad in comparison to his fellow writers. I don’t want to sound like I’m defending him, but it’s unfair to claim that he’s much worse than the typical white writer.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    …but it’s unfair to claim that he’s much worse than the typical white writer.

    That’s low expectations indeed, you soft bigot.

  183. @Truth
    @Anon

    Back in 1980s on TV, it was McCarthy, McCarthy, McCarthy all the time. I mostly watched PBS,

    Even the 80's ended 25 years ago, Sport.

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @Anon

    “Even the 80′s ended 25 years ago, Sport.”

    But the Jim Crow Era and To Kill a Mockingbird never seem to go away. Hmm.

    And 12 yrs a slave aka Passion of the Negro.

    Why is that?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Anon

    So you're comparing a 100 year ERA in American History that affected a third of the American population to the life of a MAN who was significant for less than a decade, and died almost 60 years ago... and to a novel that was written 5 years after his death.... and a movie that came out in 2013?

    Well I've said this a lot this week, but when all you have is a hammer....

    Replies: @Anon

  184. @ben tillman
    Coates deserves all the criticism directed at him, but the quality of his thought is not particularly bad in comparison to his fellow writers. I don’t want to sound like I’m defending him, but it’s unfair to claim that he’s much worse than the typical white writer.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    It’s his sanctimonious tone that is most grating.

  185. @Anon
    @Truth

    "Even the 80′s ended 25 years ago, Sport."

    But the Jim Crow Era and To Kill a Mockingbird never seem to go away. Hmm.

    And 12 yrs a slave aka Passion of the Negro.

    Why is that?

    Replies: @Truth

    So you’re comparing a 100 year ERA in American History that affected a third of the American population to the life of a MAN who was significant for less than a decade, and died almost 60 years ago… and to a novel that was written 5 years after his death…. and a movie that came out in 2013?

    Well I’ve said this a lot this week, but when all you have is a hammer….

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Truth

    Then how come we don't hear much about Indians, the victims of 'genocide'?

    And how come 'victims of McCarthy' got far more press and coverage and sympathy than Japanese in 'intern camps'?

    Silly Negro, you can't be so naive.

  186. @Truth
    @Anon

    So you're comparing a 100 year ERA in American History that affected a third of the American population to the life of a MAN who was significant for less than a decade, and died almost 60 years ago... and to a novel that was written 5 years after his death.... and a movie that came out in 2013?

    Well I've said this a lot this week, but when all you have is a hammer....

    Replies: @Anon

    Then how come we don’t hear much about Indians, the victims of ‘genocide’?

    And how come ‘victims of McCarthy’ got far more press and coverage and sympathy than Japanese in ‘intern camps’?

    Silly Negro, you can’t be so naive.

  187. @ben tillman
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Coates deserves all the criticism directed at him, but the quality of his thought is not particularly bad in comparison to his fellow writers. I don’t want to sound like I’m defending him, but it’s unfair to claim that he’s much worse than the typical white writer.
     
    The claim isn't that he's worse; it's that he's stupider. And that is true.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Except that if they weren’t stupid, they wouldn’t have gotten on board with the Iraq project. I recall Bush (and many other media sycophants) making the point that if we “didn’t fight them over there [Iraq], we’ll have to fight them here.” Anybody that could make such a breathtakingly stupid point is worse than Coates.
    I guess you could argue that most of those reporters are smart people that lie for career reasons, but that’s pretty bad too.

    Also, in Bush’s case, I’m pretty sure he’s dumber than Coates and really did believe his propaganda.

    The point is that Coates isn’t that out of place.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Except that if they weren’t stupid, they wouldn’t have gotten on board with the Iraq project.
     
    That had nothing to do with stupidity. Support for the Iraq invasion probably correlated positively with intelligence. Support was based on self-interest for some and misplaced trust for others.

    Coates has a two-digit IQ. He is very out of place intellectually next to all the neocons who engineered the invasion of Iraq.
  188. Neoconned [AKA "Truth is treason"] says:

    I had never heard or seen Coates speak before the video link – wow! This is the intellectual hero of the social justice warriors? A guy who looks like Urkle’s fat and slightly retarded uncle? I am not even sure if he has a triple digit IQ. This is the guy who is a better writer than Tolstoy?

    So a college drop out who stammers with ums and uhhs and has not heard of St Augustine is the intellectual juggernaut of the modern cultural Marxist movement? I sure would love to see his work before it is submitted to an editor for major revision. I imagine it looks a lot like the African American studies papers from chapel hill that were leaked by a tutor.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Neoconned


    I am not even sure if he has a triple digit IQ
     



    Coates has a two-digit IQ.
     
    It has to suck for you gents to have a two-digit IQed, financial superior.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Kylie

  189. @Merema
    I feel sorry for TN Coates as I believe he is suffering from PTSD after his childhood in a black neighborhood. PTSD explain his paranoia and distorted irrational world view such as his obsession with supposed "white violence" against "black bodies".


    I try to understand him, and the only case he can make is that america's tendency of racial segregation force sensitive non violent black boys like him to live with violent blacks. I see it here in NY with the children of African immigrants who have to live in the Bronx as their parents are poor and can't afford any other neighborhood. They were endlessly bullied by their classmates to turn "ghetto" (and to the dismay of their parents they do). To be poor and black in america is to be violent or to invite black violence.

    Coates is bitter and angry because White people forced him to live with violent Blacks because they don't want to live with Blacks.

    Replies: @anon, @Jefferson, @ben tillman

    Coates is bitter and angry because White people forced him to live with violent Blacks because they don’t want to live with Blacks.

    You’re confused about what “force” is. Blacks living with Blacks happens naturally without force. Blacks living with Whites happens only as the result of the use of force.

  190. @JohnnyWalker123
    @ben tillman

    Except that if they weren't stupid, they wouldn't have gotten on board with the Iraq project. I recall Bush (and many other media sycophants) making the point that if we "didn't fight them over there [Iraq], we'll have to fight them here." Anybody that could make such a breathtakingly stupid point is worse than Coates.
    I guess you could argue that most of those reporters are smart people that lie for career reasons, but that's pretty bad too.

    Also, in Bush's case, I'm pretty sure he's dumber than Coates and really did believe his propaganda.

    The point is that Coates isn't that out of place.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Except that if they weren’t stupid, they wouldn’t have gotten on board with the Iraq project.

    That had nothing to do with stupidity. Support for the Iraq invasion probably correlated positively with intelligence. Support was based on self-interest for some and misplaced trust for others.

    Coates has a two-digit IQ. He is very out of place intellectually next to all the neocons who engineered the invasion of Iraq.

  191. That had nothing to do with stupidity. Support for the Iraq invasion probably correlated positively with intelligence.

    A 2015 survey found that Whites are more likely than non-Whites to believe that WMDs were found in Iraq.

    Support was based on self-interest for some and misplaced trust for others.

    You could argue that Coates is a secret genius who knows the black bodies stuff will endear him to blacks, Jews, and liberals. You got to admit, he’s done pretty well so far in advancing his career.

    By the way, the misplaced trust is an indicator of stupidity. When we consider that the Bush administration openly lied about the 9/11-Iraq link and fabricated the “Yellowcake” document, any intelligent person should’ve been willing to call BS on the Iraq War. Sailer did.

    I saw a lot of supposedly serious (almost all of whom were white) intellectuals argue that Saddam Hussein was the next Hitler. If that’s the quality of intellectual discourse in contemporary America, Coates doesn’t come across as especially dumb. The black bodies stuff is actually slightly more reasonable than the Saddam-Hitler comparison.

    Coates has a two-digit IQ. He is very out of place intellectually next to all the neocons who engineered the invasion of Iraq.

    Steve Sailer mocked neoconservative John Podhoretz for being stupid. JPod is definitely a two-digit IQ. http://www.vdare.com/articles/podhoretz-junior-vs-steve-sailer

    As for Bush and Palin…………

    The point is that our intelligentsia is filled with ridiculously stupid individuals. I don’t have a problem with criticizing Coates, but it’s wrong to think that somehow white intellectuals have to be smart to get heard. Whites can be blithering idiots and they can get a column as long as they parrot the ruling class talking points.

  192. @Neoconned
    I had never heard or seen Coates speak before the video link - wow! This is the intellectual hero of the social justice warriors? A guy who looks like Urkle's fat and slightly retarded uncle? I am not even sure if he has a triple digit IQ. This is the guy who is a better writer than Tolstoy?

    So a college drop out who stammers with ums and uhhs and has not heard of St Augustine is the intellectual juggernaut of the modern cultural Marxist movement? I sure would love to see his work before it is submitted to an editor for major revision. I imagine it looks a lot like the African American studies papers from chapel hill that were leaked by a tutor.

    Replies: @Truth

    I am not even sure if he has a triple digit IQ

    Coates has a two-digit IQ.

    It has to suck for you gents to have a two-digit IQed, financial superior.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Truth

    Yeah - the Kardashians being financially superior to Steve sailer or Ron unz must mean they can't sleep at night because it sucks so bad. Try harder in your next troll attempt because that was as pathetic as listening to Tanisha speak.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Kylie
    @Truth


    It has to suck for you gents to have a two-digit IQed, financial superior.
     
    I can't speak for the gents but it certainly doesn't suck for this lady to have a two-digit IQed financial superior. I don't conflate personal worth with personal wealth.
  193. Neoconned [AKA "truth is treason"] says:
    @Truth
    @Neoconned


    I am not even sure if he has a triple digit IQ
     



    Coates has a two-digit IQ.
     
    It has to suck for you gents to have a two-digit IQed, financial superior.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Kylie

    Yeah – the Kardashians being financially superior to Steve sailer or Ron unz must mean they can’t sleep at night because it sucks so bad. Try harder in your next troll attempt because that was as pathetic as listening to Tanisha speak.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Neoconned

    So you're fine with the Khardashians being by multitudes, not only financially, but culturally superior to yourself?

  194. @Neoconned
    @Truth

    Yeah - the Kardashians being financially superior to Steve sailer or Ron unz must mean they can't sleep at night because it sucks so bad. Try harder in your next troll attempt because that was as pathetic as listening to Tanisha speak.

    Replies: @Truth

    So you’re fine with the Khardashians being by multitudes, not only financially, but culturally superior to yourself?

  195. @Truth
    @Neoconned


    I am not even sure if he has a triple digit IQ
     



    Coates has a two-digit IQ.
     
    It has to suck for you gents to have a two-digit IQed, financial superior.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @Kylie

    It has to suck for you gents to have a two-digit IQed, financial superior.

    I can’t speak for the gents but it certainly doesn’t suck for this lady to have a two-digit IQed financial superior. I don’t conflate personal worth with personal wealth.

  196. @Rob McX
    I question the accuracy of the Speakerpedia site that gives the figures for Coates's speeches, though in his case they may be right. But according to it, Carla Bruni can command $150 000-300 000 more for a speech than Bill Clinton.

    Replies: @Curle

    Carla won’t sexually assault the help.

  197. I think I found a clip of TNC discussing his beautiful black body:

  198. @anon
    @Merema

    I think that's probably the genesis of it but he's also providing an evil service to the powers that be. Even SJWs can't fail to notice the macho behavior of black teens and he's giving them a false, PC reason for that behavior i.e. saying it is a direct legacy of race, whereas the true reason most of them act that way is so they don't become a target for the local gang bangers.

    Predators don't prey on the weak they prey on the weak-est so for kids in those kind of areas it's all about trying to signal you're not the weakest so the predators go after somebody else.

    Replies: @Merema

    Oops missed your comment. You are absolutely right when you say that he is also providing an evil service to the powers to be, and he really is giving blacks a false PC reason for that behavior.

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