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From the Washington Post:

With Atlantic article on reparations, Ta-Nehisi Coates sees payoff for years of struggle

By Manuel Roig-Franzia June 18, 2014

… “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”

Once, Bennet recalls, Coates was engaged in a gun control debate on the Atlantic’s Web site with Jeffrey Goldberg, a well-known colleague at the magazine. Goldberg referred to the philosopher and theologian Saint Augustine. Coates confessed that he didn’t know who Saint Augustine was, then charged ahead with the debate.

“I can’t think of another writer who wouldn’t have Googled it!” Bennet says.

 
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  1. I’m more surprised that Jeffery Goldberg used a Christian theologian to make his point.

  2. He is America’s greatest super genius. He wrote for Marvel Comics! Why the hell does he need to know who Saint Augustine was?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Zoodles

    Maybe Ta Nehisi Coates doesn't know who St. Augustine is, but I'll bet Jeffrey Goldberg doesn't know the name of the king of Wakanda.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    , @syonredux
    @Zoodles


    He is America’s greatest super genius. He wrote for Marvel Comics! Why the hell does he need to know who Saint Augustine was?
     
    Indeed. And just to prove how many issues of Penthouse he read as a teenager.....Uhm, that is to say.....to show how woke he is to the plight of the LGBTI community, he's even added Lesbians to the world of the Black Panther

    http://www.themarysue.com/black-panther-a-nation-under-our-feet/
  3. I reprinted the my comment below from your previous thread.

    Wow!
    What does that say about the folks who award MacArthur Fellowships to people?

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/22/the-2016-macarthur-genius-grants-are-some-sick-joke/

    • Replies: @wren
    @Langley

    Maybe they meet up with the Nobel Peace Prize guys at Davos and Bilderberg?

    Or those secret Hillary/Podesta child sacrifice orgies, or whatever.

    , @TheJester
    @Langley

    Are you sure that wasn't the Darwin Award?

  4. Here’s a reparations idea. Give all American citizens who can prove they are descended from American slaves ownership of $100,000 worth of Federal public lands. Exclude National Parks, designated wildernesses, fish & wildlife refuges and other sensitive areas. There is plenty of ordinary BLM & Forest Service land in the west that could be developed if it went into private hands.

    Split the Liberal coalition by pitting Blacks against the environmentalists.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Hank Archer

    $100,000 would buy many times more land in Africa. We cold confiscate it from the descendants of the original slave-sellers.

    , @dc.sunsets
    @Hank Archer

    Better idea : all unhappy descendants of slaves get one way tickets to Liberia.

  5. @Langley
    I reprinted the my comment below from your previous thread.

    Wow!
    What does that say about the folks who award MacArthur Fellowships to people?

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/22/the-2016-macarthur-genius-grants-are-some-sick-joke/

    Replies: @wren, @TheJester

    Maybe they meet up with the Nobel Peace Prize guys at Davos and Bilderberg?

    Or those secret Hillary/Podesta child sacrifice orgies, or whatever.

  6. As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.

    He basically just said that Coates is an inarticulate manchild….

    “You get here and people say, ‘Why can’t you do that for our community?’ ” Coates says one morning at a Capitol Hill coffee shop. He calls the reaction “disrespectful” but “not illogical.” Disrespectful because he believes the experience of blacks in America deserves its own, focused examination. Not illogical because he can empathize with the desire of people who feel wronged.

    Respect is a key word in TNC’s lexicon, another sign, perhaps, of his immaturity.

    All in all, it’s pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC. At least Baldwin could always fall back on the language of the King James Bible. TNC, in contrast, can only deploy the mind-numbing vocabulary of the post-modern academy….

    • Agree: George Taylor
    • Replies: @Bill
    @syonredux


    He basically just said that Coates is an inarticulate manchild….
     
    Yeah, exactly. There's a certain kind of parent who thinks they are clever because they can outsmart their small children, make fun of them in front of their faces, and wink at you without kiddo ever noticing. It's like that. Ta is never going to figure it out. Maybe he'll clue in on the body language of some of his colleagues. But, he'll never figure it out by reading what they write. And, once you think about it a bit, that's actually a commentary on the jerks making fun of the poor guy.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @syonredux

    Syon, your original 2014 breakdown (#22) of the WAPO article was (as TNC might say in another context) masterful.

    , @Anon
    @syonredux

    "All in all, it’s pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC. At least Baldwin could always fall back on the language of the King James Bible. TNC, in contrast, can only deploy the mind-numbing vocabulary of the post-modern academy…."

    True, but that's because they took your advice and got rid of all da fegz. Now you complain?

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Frau Katze
    @syonredux

    Intellectuals (of any colour) aren't what they used to be. PC has made everything sound ridiculous.

  7. As a guy who has been known to shoot from the hip and just hope I turn out to be right, it must be cool to have a chorus of dweeb followers to constantly make excuses for you after the fact like Coates and Obama

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  8. anon • Disclaimer says:

    As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.

    That’s because he’s not the kind of person who who sits down and works out the whole worldview in his head. He’s literally making it up as the interviewer asks him questions.

  9. The proclamation of low-IQ Ta-Nehehehesi Coates as an “intellectual” is hilarious, and seems a farcical combination of the Emperor’s New Clothes, the crowning of a Down syndrome man as “King of Fools” during Mardi Gras, an updating of Tom Wolfe’s Radical Chic for the 21st Century, and the Left doubling-down on the “I have a black friend!” mentality that led to 8 years of Obama destroying the Democrats.

    The only thing more hilarious is how the Left hasn’t realized a big, central truth from the election: that very few people are listening to or taking seriously their organs of propaganda, the Corporate Media, anymore. As a result, these folks will be in absolute shock when Coates’s books fail to sell as well as predicted, his writing doesn’t save The Atlantic from dropping sales, and how most Americans, including black Americans, will not know or have heard his nonsense when asked about them—and how little dent his “arguments” (to use the term loosely) will impact national opinions. (Similar to how the Left is always shocked how Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have actual little pull over most blacks, and can’t order them to stop rioting).

    And that’s before we get into the hilarity of Coates’s not-very-well-hidden massive insecurity at failing to become the violent, masculine black radical leader his father wanted, and instead becoming a mincing, weak, gentrified token black “thinker” for white lefties to coo over. Such a letdown for daddy.

    Seriously, if in a debate you wanted to upset Coates, throw him off his game, or just want to make him spazz out like a child, insinuating that Coates is a disappointment to his father or isn’t very masculine will set him off like a rocket ship, and probably not only have him spitting and sputtering and threatening you (without meaning it), but also launch two-three articles by him attacking you/defending his masculinity. It would be child’s play.

    Similar to how Ann Coulter and her fellow travelers on the right figured out that one of Keith Olbermann’s massive insecurities (among his many) was about where he went to college, and so gently mocked him. Olbermann went on a child-tantrum tear, actually physically bringing his diploma out on live TV to lecture people for a full segment about how he really did go to a real Ivy league school, you guys!

    Olbermann’s massive faux pas doing that –which in itself was mockable, and only highlighted his insecurity—was probably one of the final straws in pushing his psycho behavior into such a state that, later, not even MSNBC could tolerate his insecure psychosis.

    And so it should go with Coates.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @whorefinder

    Sounds like the main plot line in "Sing," the cartoon movie about animals in a singing show: the young Cockney-accented silverback out of a Guy Ritchie movie is a disappointment to his dad because he doesn't he want to be a bankrobber.

    Of course, Joe Strummer was disappointed his dad wasn't a bankrobber and didn't have a Cockney accent:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSl0w5Cqj-Y

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Lurker

    , @whorefinder
    @whorefinder

    Olbermann's meltdown, for reference:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51LJrnHtveo

    , @Mr. Anon
    @whorefinder

    "The proclamation of low-IQ Ta-Nehehehesi Coates as an “intellectual” is hilarious, and seems a farcical combination of the Emperor’s New Clothes, the crowning of a Down syndrome man as “King of Fools” during Mardi Gras, an updating of Tom Wolfe’s Radical Chic for the 21st Century, and the Left doubling-down on the “I have a black friend!” mentality that led to 8 years of Obama destroying the Democrats."

    Nowadays, it is not enough to have friends who are black, you must have friends who are black geniuses.

    Hey - some of my best friends are the most foremost public intellectual in the country.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @Clyde
    @whorefinder


    … “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”
     
    Emperor's New Clothes is right! There must be some way they can slot Ta-Nehisi into the next Star Wars, Rogue Three, whatever. Make him the philosopher king of a galaxy. Dark matter, matters!

    Replies: @syonredux, @whorefinder

    , @ic1000
    @whorefinder

    I recommend scanning Between the World and Me; TNC's a gifted writer. Although he's not particularly well-suited to living as a citizen of a multicultural United States -- his ill-will towards non-Africans is visceral. A few stray "some of my best friends and acquaintances are white" paragraphs are grafted to a narrative that is imbued with an Old Testament loathing of the majority (plurality, soon enough) of his countrymen, who he scorns with the moniker of "Dreamers."

    It's all catnip to white progressives. Virtue signalling and post-Christian guilt, I guess.

    , @ben tillman
    @whorefinder


    Seriously, if in a debate you wanted to upset Coates, throw him off his game, or just want to make him spazz out like a child, insinuating that Coates is a disappointment to his father or isn’t very masculine will set him off like a rocket ship, and probably not only have him spitting and sputtering and threatening you (without meaning it), but also launch two-three articles by him attacking you/defending his masculinity. It would be child’s play.
     
    I recently explained the concept of "pressing someone's buttons" to my five-year-old.

    I think he gets it.
    , @Ragno
    @whorefinder


    The proclamation of low-IQ Ta-Nehehehesi Coates as an “intellectual” is hilarious, and seems a farcical combination of the Emperor’s New Clothes, the crowning of a Down syndrome man as “King of Fools” during Mardi Gras, an updating of Tom Wolfe’s Radical Chic for the 21st Century, and the Left doubling-down on the “I have a black friend!” mentality that led to 8 years of Obama destroying the Democrats.
     
    Wow. That this graf *isn't* kicking off an Atlantic profile of America's, Uhm, You Know, Deffest Intellectual N' Shit will do nicely as an accidental indictment of modern American cultural life.

    He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is.
     
    Which at least explains why he's the go-to Deep Thinker for men with husbands - America's newest tastemakers!
    , @Jim Don Bob
    @whorefinder

    This. Well said.

    , @Old Palo Altan
    @whorefinder

    Having only the vaguest idea who Keith Olbermann might be, I naturally had even less of an idea where he might have gone to college.
    Wiki told me Cornell, and I laughed - well, of course he was embarrassed, surrounded as he must be by all of those New York Jews who have taken over Harvard and Yale.
    Then I saw that he didn't even go to the real Cornell, but to a state funded agricultural college only covered by the name of the university, where got a B.S (?) in communication.
    I know it is OT, but can anyone explain why Cornell University is considered Ivy League? Maybe New York used its size and wealth to bully the other states involved into giving it two such places, Columbia for the city, and Cornell for the rest of the state?
    I am happy to accept that the real Cornell had the academic excellence and even the selectivity (just) of a Harvard, a Yale or a Princeton, but the social elitism? Never in a million years.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  10. And, once Coates finds out that St. Augustine was born in North Africa, it’s a foregone conclusion to, “Aha! Augustine was a brother! Dang, I really should check this dude out.”

    I mean, everyone knows that the Bishop of Hippo was black. Wonder why Golderg didn’t bother to inform NC of this fact. It has to be on account of racism. It just has to be.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I'm sure the hit transracial Lin-Manuel Miranda musical is already in the works.

    Replies: @Cletus Rothschild

    , @Frau Katze
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Blacks have been known to claim Ancient Egypt as their own, because it's in Africa. They (or some of them) actually think that way.

    I can't be bothered to read Coates (I'm not even an American—that's my excuse). He may be smart enough not to draw the above conclusion. You don't exactly have to be a genius.

    , @FX Enderby
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    St. Augustine was Black! Anthony Burgess wrote about how he heard this claim during his time lecturing at colleges in the US in the early 1970's. But of course, T. Coates has never heard of Burgess - or of the period in history known as the early 1970's.

  11. “Coates confessed that he didn’t know who Saint Augustine was, then charged ahead with the debate.”

    And of course, Coates could always respond with, ‘Ok, Jeffrey, let’s see who’s paying attention. Name Biggie and Tupac’s backup members on their most famous raps. And also, name the top three beats on the Chronic Album. After all, the Chronic changed my whole world. What’d Bishop of Hippo ever do for me?’

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I used to lurk TNC’s erstwhile “Horde” comment section at the Atlantic. TNC was going to visit DC and asked the commenters where to get his hair cut. Some hapless goof didn’t get the bliggity-black hints and recommended the Hair Cuttery chain. Hilarity ensued.

    TNC had his own awkward Hair Cuttery moment in a later post when his usually fawning commenters expressed alarmed bewilderment when he revealed ignorance of Simon and Garfunkel and “The Sound of Silence.” (Tried to find the thread, to no avail.) IIRC he made a defense similar to your parodic quote.

    Replies: @Arclight

    , @Anonitron3
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Tupac and Biggie aren't known for their collaborations and I'm at a loss as to how you would name a beat.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @oh its just me too
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I wish I could laugh at this but it's happened in real life with me. A black woman didn't know who Dante was or what he wrote. Her reply was exactly like your post.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  12. “To ignore the fact that one of the oldest republics in the world was erected on a foundation of white supremacy, to pretend that the problems of a dual society are the same as the problems of unregulated capitalism, is to cover the sin of national plunder with the sin of national lying,” Coates writes.

    Multiculturalism!F*** that noise!In TNC-World, it’s always 1933 (the era of the tyrant, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, father of the heinous sin of redlining), and America is a Black-and-White country…

    But what also has been notable is the reaction of like-minded readers to the piece, which took two years to complete. Everywhere he goes, Coates hears versions of the same plea: What about my group? What about Native Americans? What about Latino immigrants? What about me?

    Yeesh, people, where have you been? People with black bodies only care about things that involve Blackness. Heck, if you deleted the word “Black” from TNC’s articles, they would be about 25% shorter….

    Coates’s accounting of his personal costs begins with the menace of West Baltimore, a place where young black men — such as himself — were ever at risk.

    Love the graceful elision there. At risk because of…..violent Black people? No, just at risk, you know, because of reasons……

    His father, Paul Coates, is a former Black Panther who chose a first name for him inspired by the ancient Egyptian word for Nubia. Its non-intuitive pronunciation—Ta-nuh-ha-see — and its unfamiliar spelling are the source of frequent errors. Coates delights in needling critics who misspell his name.

    OK……..

    The elder Coates fathered seven children with four women. Ta-Nehisi lived with both his parents throughout his childhood. His father wanted all his kids to know one another, and so Ta-Nehisi says he lived in “various iterations with my brothers and sisters” over the years. “It was usually whoever was causing trouble,” he says. “That’s who came to live with us.”

    That’s gotta be due to redlining……

    All the women in his father’s life played a role in raising him, Coates says, and he often spent time at his brothers’ and sisters’ homes. “I had a community, a village, as they say, around me,” he says.

    Asked whether there were tensions or jealousies among the women, Coates says, “maybe and probably,” but that wasn’t the sort of thing that he sensed as a child.

    MMMM, sounds very West African……

    What he did sense was a love of words. In the late 1970s, his father founded a small publishing house that he still runs, Black Classic Press. It specializes in republishing works of black authors that have gone out of print. “There were books everywhere,” Coates says. “There were books in our basement; there were books out in our garage. There were black books in our living room, black books in our bedroom, black books in the kitchen, black books. It was everywhere around me. . . . I was bathed in it. I couldn’t escape it.

    Nigel Tufnel:” It’s like, how much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black.”

    The world outside the family home came with its own inescapable realities. Tough guys “jumped me all the time,” Coates recalls. The worst was the time he was hit over the head with that metal trash can

    Years later, he learned that it was all because of redlining…..

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    @syonredux


    The elder Coates fathered seven children with four women.
     
    Underachiever!! Meanwhile, as ever with our august ghetto contingent, it needs pointing out that the number quoted is just the number Coates père is admitting to...

    Another magisterial contribution, Mr Syon.

    , @ussr andy
    @syonredux



    to pretend that the problems of a dual society are the same as the problems of unregulated capitalism,
     

     
    I think the alt.Right would also be thrilled to discuss "problems of a dual society" - but in the way the new (identity politics) leftists (who wanted to make it about race in the first place, and succeeded) probably wouldn't like.

    I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Manchester capitalism and people sleeping on the workshop floor s***d even though everyone was the same race. MultiKulti s***s even under social democracy (or especially under social democracy.)

    , @Amasius
    @syonredux

    It's simply offensive to have it spelled "Ta-Nehisi" and then make us say "Ta-NaHAsi." It's a crime against language and literacy. It makes no sense on any level. You pronounce "i" as "ah," like a Southern accent perhaps (it's already dumb but I'm being generous), but then you have another "i" in the same name that you say as "ee." And you already have an "a" in the first syllable which you pronounce as "ah." Why the hell isn't it spelled Ta-Nahasi? It's all just plain stupid, and we're forced to deal with it because they keep pushing this cretin on us.

    I thought Dwyane [sic] Wade and Isiah [sic] Thomas were bad...

    Replies: @415 reasons, @Jack D

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @syonredux

    "There were black books in our living room, black books in our bedroom, black books in the kitchen, black books. It was everywhere around me. . . . I was bathed in it. I couldn’t escape it.”

    All those books and he still doesn't hasn't heard of St. Augustine. You'd think that his father, a former Black Panther, would've latched on to the fact that the Bishop of Hippo resided in North Africa and that therefore, was probably a brother. What kind of father, a book publisher owner no less, doesn't take the time to properly inform his kid that St. Augustine was one of them?

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @syonredux


    Its non-intuitive pronunciation—Ta-nuh-ha-see — and its unfamiliar spelling are the source of frequent errors. Coates delights in needling critics who misspell his name.
     
    Got it half right, Coates. No one is sure of how the vowels in ancient Egyptian were pronounced. The convention among Egyptologists is to substitute an "e" for every suspected vowel and these are usually pronounced as a short "e" or eh sound. Thus the absurdly grandiloquent naming of this silly person should be pronounced Teh Neh Heh Seh.

    But Coates, senior and his son are continuing a long tradition. The phony erudition of many Negroes has been a butt of humor since they first hit these shores

    Replies: @Ivy

  13. Why would Ta-Nehisi Coates, who is, if my liberal friends are to be believed, the world’s greatest living expert on American race relations, Russian literature and theoretical physics, even need to be familiar with the works of a lowly mind like St. Augustine?

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Pandarus

    I predict at one point in the next decade a Leftist "intellectual" will declare---in all seriousness--- that s/he is smarter than St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Thomas Jefferson, or some other legendary Western traditional thinker---probably on Bill Maher's show, or on MSNBC/CNN/Fox during a talking heads segment. And then s/he will adamantly defend their declaration in articles in "serious" literature/newspapers---and other Leftist "intellectuals" will back them up (Dana Milbank, I'm looking at you for the toadying).

    In fact, much like goading Olbermann and Coates into their foolishness, we should be goading other Leftists intellectuals into doing this. It really wouldn't be hard at all; they already didain Western culture as well as anyone who can remotely be called a "dead white man" or who believes in traditional intellectualism. (Unless they start claiming the white man was secretly black, like blacks do with Jesus, Beethoven, and every Egyptian ruler).

    It's a hoot watching the Left prove everyday since Trump's emergence that it is the movement of the low-IQ but highly-credentialed and well-connected.

    Replies: @Bill B., @John Chard, @Ivy

  14. @whorefinder
    The proclamation of low-IQ Ta-Nehehehesi Coates as an "intellectual" is hilarious, and seems a farcical combination of the Emperor's New Clothes, the crowning of a Down syndrome man as "King of Fools" during Mardi Gras, an updating of Tom Wolfe's Radical Chic for the 21st Century, and the Left doubling-down on the "I have a black friend!" mentality that led to 8 years of Obama destroying the Democrats.

    The only thing more hilarious is how the Left hasn't realized a big, central truth from the election: that very few people are listening to or taking seriously their organs of propaganda, the Corporate Media, anymore. As a result, these folks will be in absolute shock when Coates's books fail to sell as well as predicted, his writing doesn't save The Atlantic from dropping sales, and how most Americans, including black Americans, will not know or have heard his nonsense when asked about them---and how little dent his "arguments" (to use the term loosely) will impact national opinions. (Similar to how the Left is always shocked how Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have actual little pull over most blacks, and can't order them to stop rioting).

    And that's before we get into the hilarity of Coates's not-very-well-hidden massive insecurity at failing to become the violent, masculine black radical leader his father wanted, and instead becoming a mincing, weak, gentrified token black "thinker" for white lefties to coo over. Such a letdown for daddy.

    Seriously, if in a debate you wanted to upset Coates, throw him off his game, or just want to make him spazz out like a child, insinuating that Coates is a disappointment to his father or isn't very masculine will set him off like a rocket ship, and probably not only have him spitting and sputtering and threatening you (without meaning it), but also launch two-three articles by him attacking you/defending his masculinity. It would be child's play.

    Similar to how Ann Coulter and her fellow travelers on the right figured out that one of Keith Olbermann's massive insecurities (among his many) was about where he went to college, and so gently mocked him. Olbermann went on a child-tantrum tear, actually physically bringing his diploma out on live TV to lecture people for a full segment about how he really did go to a real Ivy league school, you guys!

    Olbermann's massive faux pas doing that --which in itself was mockable, and only highlighted his insecurity---was probably one of the final straws in pushing his psycho behavior into such a state that, later, not even MSNBC could tolerate his insecure psychosis.

    And so it should go with Coates.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @whorefinder, @Mr. Anon, @Clyde, @ic1000, @ben tillman, @Ragno, @Jim Don Bob, @Old Palo Altan

    Sounds like the main plot line in “Sing,” the cartoon movie about animals in a singing show: the young Cockney-accented silverback out of a Guy Ritchie movie is a disappointment to his dad because he doesn’t he want to be a bankrobber.

    Of course, Joe Strummer was disappointed his dad wasn’t a bankrobber and didn’t have a Cockney accent:

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Steve Sailer

    Is "Sing" merely "High School Musical" a few years later with animals?

    , @Lurker
    @Steve Sailer

    Cockney accent - Joe affected a very strange accent. I don't know if anyone ever worked out what it was supposed to be. I wonder if there are any recordings anywhere of him talking in his own, original, voice?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @BB753

  15. @Steve Sailer
    @whorefinder

    Sounds like the main plot line in "Sing," the cartoon movie about animals in a singing show: the young Cockney-accented silverback out of a Guy Ritchie movie is a disappointment to his dad because he doesn't he want to be a bankrobber.

    Of course, Joe Strummer was disappointed his dad wasn't a bankrobber and didn't have a Cockney accent:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSl0w5Cqj-Y

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Lurker

    Is “Sing” merely “High School Musical” a few years later with animals?

  16. @Pandarus
    Why would Ta-Nehisi Coates, who is, if my liberal friends are to be believed, the world's greatest living expert on American race relations, Russian literature and theoretical physics, even need to be familiar with the works of a lowly mind like St. Augustine?

    Replies: @whorefinder

    I predict at one point in the next decade a Leftist “intellectual” will declare—in all seriousness— that s/he is smarter than St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Thomas Jefferson, or some other legendary Western traditional thinker—probably on Bill Maher’s show, or on MSNBC/CNN/Fox during a talking heads segment. And then s/he will adamantly defend their declaration in articles in “serious” literature/newspapers—and other Leftist “intellectuals” will back them up (Dana Milbank, I’m looking at you for the toadying).

    In fact, much like goading Olbermann and Coates into their foolishness, we should be goading other Leftists intellectuals into doing this. It really wouldn’t be hard at all; they already didain Western culture as well as anyone who can remotely be called a “dead white man” or who believes in traditional intellectualism. (Unless they start claiming the white man was secretly black, like blacks do with Jesus, Beethoven, and every Egyptian ruler).

    It’s a hoot watching the Left prove everyday since Trump’s emergence that it is the movement of the low-IQ but highly-credentialed and well-connected.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @whorefinder


    In fact, much like goading Olbermann and Coates into their foolishness, we should be goading other Leftists intellectuals into doing this.
     
    Yes.

    Whenever anyone remotely sensible complains that an obvious charlatan or dud like Genius T. Coates or Jeremy Corbyn must be corrected I feel uneasy. As Napoleon said "…when the enemy is making a false movement we must take good care not to interrupt him.”
    , @John Chard
    @whorefinder

    Noah Smith proclaimed Coates' writing superior to that of Tolstoy on Twitter once, I believe.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Ivy
    @whorefinder

    Finding the hidden and repressed intellectuals should become easy for The Atlantic and others in the media. After all, that fits with the ideas of, ahem, scholars who claimed that Hillary was the best-qualified US Presidential candidate ever.

    Meanwhile, Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Madison are being erased from history books, street signs, campuses and anywhere else that shows indications of conservative thinking.

  17. @whorefinder
    The proclamation of low-IQ Ta-Nehehehesi Coates as an "intellectual" is hilarious, and seems a farcical combination of the Emperor's New Clothes, the crowning of a Down syndrome man as "King of Fools" during Mardi Gras, an updating of Tom Wolfe's Radical Chic for the 21st Century, and the Left doubling-down on the "I have a black friend!" mentality that led to 8 years of Obama destroying the Democrats.

    The only thing more hilarious is how the Left hasn't realized a big, central truth from the election: that very few people are listening to or taking seriously their organs of propaganda, the Corporate Media, anymore. As a result, these folks will be in absolute shock when Coates's books fail to sell as well as predicted, his writing doesn't save The Atlantic from dropping sales, and how most Americans, including black Americans, will not know or have heard his nonsense when asked about them---and how little dent his "arguments" (to use the term loosely) will impact national opinions. (Similar to how the Left is always shocked how Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have actual little pull over most blacks, and can't order them to stop rioting).

    And that's before we get into the hilarity of Coates's not-very-well-hidden massive insecurity at failing to become the violent, masculine black radical leader his father wanted, and instead becoming a mincing, weak, gentrified token black "thinker" for white lefties to coo over. Such a letdown for daddy.

    Seriously, if in a debate you wanted to upset Coates, throw him off his game, or just want to make him spazz out like a child, insinuating that Coates is a disappointment to his father or isn't very masculine will set him off like a rocket ship, and probably not only have him spitting and sputtering and threatening you (without meaning it), but also launch two-three articles by him attacking you/defending his masculinity. It would be child's play.

    Similar to how Ann Coulter and her fellow travelers on the right figured out that one of Keith Olbermann's massive insecurities (among his many) was about where he went to college, and so gently mocked him. Olbermann went on a child-tantrum tear, actually physically bringing his diploma out on live TV to lecture people for a full segment about how he really did go to a real Ivy league school, you guys!

    Olbermann's massive faux pas doing that --which in itself was mockable, and only highlighted his insecurity---was probably one of the final straws in pushing his psycho behavior into such a state that, later, not even MSNBC could tolerate his insecure psychosis.

    And so it should go with Coates.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @whorefinder, @Mr. Anon, @Clyde, @ic1000, @ben tillman, @Ragno, @Jim Don Bob, @Old Palo Altan

    Olbermann’s meltdown, for reference:

  18. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Praise to a black is like free drinks to alcoholic.

    Non-blacks generally have internal mechanisms that deflect or reflect on flattery.
    They are suspicious of the praise or feel they don’t really deserve it as others are more worthy.

    Such inner-brakes don’t exist among a lot of blacks. Offer them praise, and they think they are the center of the universe.

    Whether Obama, Oprah, Morrison, Dyson, Degrassie Tyson, Cornel West, Blow(the one with ‘incandescent’ rage), or Coates, they just suck it all up.

    Magic Negro flattery by whites + pathological black self-esteem = Super Retard Social Culture and Intellectual Dementia.

    A nation that looks to Coates for ideas is a ridiculous one indeed.

    Black bodies! Black bodies!

    If white cucks fall for this nonsense, I suspect cleverer Jews just use him to manipulate ‘white guilt’ that paralyzes white power.

  19. @whorefinder
    The proclamation of low-IQ Ta-Nehehehesi Coates as an "intellectual" is hilarious, and seems a farcical combination of the Emperor's New Clothes, the crowning of a Down syndrome man as "King of Fools" during Mardi Gras, an updating of Tom Wolfe's Radical Chic for the 21st Century, and the Left doubling-down on the "I have a black friend!" mentality that led to 8 years of Obama destroying the Democrats.

    The only thing more hilarious is how the Left hasn't realized a big, central truth from the election: that very few people are listening to or taking seriously their organs of propaganda, the Corporate Media, anymore. As a result, these folks will be in absolute shock when Coates's books fail to sell as well as predicted, his writing doesn't save The Atlantic from dropping sales, and how most Americans, including black Americans, will not know or have heard his nonsense when asked about them---and how little dent his "arguments" (to use the term loosely) will impact national opinions. (Similar to how the Left is always shocked how Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have actual little pull over most blacks, and can't order them to stop rioting).

    And that's before we get into the hilarity of Coates's not-very-well-hidden massive insecurity at failing to become the violent, masculine black radical leader his father wanted, and instead becoming a mincing, weak, gentrified token black "thinker" for white lefties to coo over. Such a letdown for daddy.

    Seriously, if in a debate you wanted to upset Coates, throw him off his game, or just want to make him spazz out like a child, insinuating that Coates is a disappointment to his father or isn't very masculine will set him off like a rocket ship, and probably not only have him spitting and sputtering and threatening you (without meaning it), but also launch two-three articles by him attacking you/defending his masculinity. It would be child's play.

    Similar to how Ann Coulter and her fellow travelers on the right figured out that one of Keith Olbermann's massive insecurities (among his many) was about where he went to college, and so gently mocked him. Olbermann went on a child-tantrum tear, actually physically bringing his diploma out on live TV to lecture people for a full segment about how he really did go to a real Ivy league school, you guys!

    Olbermann's massive faux pas doing that --which in itself was mockable, and only highlighted his insecurity---was probably one of the final straws in pushing his psycho behavior into such a state that, later, not even MSNBC could tolerate his insecure psychosis.

    And so it should go with Coates.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @whorefinder, @Mr. Anon, @Clyde, @ic1000, @ben tillman, @Ragno, @Jim Don Bob, @Old Palo Altan

    “The proclamation of low-IQ Ta-Nehehehesi Coates as an “intellectual” is hilarious, and seems a farcical combination of the Emperor’s New Clothes, the crowning of a Down syndrome man as “King of Fools” during Mardi Gras, an updating of Tom Wolfe’s Radical Chic for the 21st Century, and the Left doubling-down on the “I have a black friend!” mentality that led to 8 years of Obama destroying the Democrats.”

    Nowadays, it is not enough to have friends who are black, you must have friends who are black geniuses.

    Hey – some of my best friends are the most foremost public intellectual in the country.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Mr. Anon

    Public schools
    Public housing
    Public toilets
    Public intellectuals


    Yup, all renowned for their excellence.

  20. @syonredux

    “To ignore the fact that one of the oldest republics in the world was erected on a foundation of white supremacy, to pretend that the problems of a dual society are the same as the problems of unregulated capitalism, is to cover the sin of national plunder with the sin of national lying,” Coates writes.
     
    Multiculturalism!F*** that noise!In TNC-World, it's always 1933 (the era of the tyrant, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, father of the heinous sin of redlining), and America is a Black-and-White country...

    But what also has been notable is the reaction of like-minded readers to the piece, which took two years to complete. Everywhere he goes, Coates hears versions of the same plea: What about my group? What about Native Americans? What about Latino immigrants? What about me?
     
    Yeesh, people, where have you been? People with black bodies only care about things that involve Blackness. Heck, if you deleted the word "Black" from TNC's articles, they would be about 25% shorter....

    Coates’s accounting of his personal costs begins with the menace of West Baltimore, a place where young black men — such as himself — were ever at risk.
     
    Love the graceful elision there. At risk because of.....violent Black people? No, just at risk, you know, because of reasons......

    His father, Paul Coates, is a former Black Panther who chose a first name for him inspired by the ancient Egyptian word for Nubia. Its non-intuitive pronunciation—Ta-nuh-ha-see — and its unfamiliar spelling are the source of frequent errors. Coates delights in needling critics who misspell his name.
     
    OK........

    The elder Coates fathered seven children with four women. Ta-Nehisi lived with both his parents throughout his childhood. His father wanted all his kids to know one another, and so Ta-Nehisi says he lived in “various iterations with my brothers and sisters” over the years. “It was usually whoever was causing trouble,” he says. “That’s who came to live with us.”
     
    That's gotta be due to redlining......

    All the women in his father’s life played a role in raising him, Coates says, and he often spent time at his brothers’ and sisters’ homes. “I had a community, a village, as they say, around me,” he says.

    Asked whether there were tensions or jealousies among the women, Coates says, “maybe and probably,” but that wasn’t the sort of thing that he sensed as a child.
     
    MMMM, sounds very West African......

    What he did sense was a love of words. In the late 1970s, his father founded a small publishing house that he still runs, Black Classic Press. It specializes in republishing works of black authors that have gone out of print. “There were books everywhere,” Coates says. “There were books in our basement; there were books out in our garage. There were black books in our living room, black books in our bedroom, black books in the kitchen, black books. It was everywhere around me. . . . I was bathed in it. I couldn’t escape it.
     
    Nigel Tufnel:" It's like, how much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black."

    The world outside the family home came with its own inescapable realities. Tough guys “jumped me all the time,” Coates recalls. The worst was the time he was hit over the head with that metal trash can

     

    Years later, he learned that it was all because of redlining.....

    Replies: @Kyle McKenna, @ussr andy, @Amasius, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jus' Sayin'...

    The elder Coates fathered seven children with four women.

    Underachiever!! Meanwhile, as ever with our august ghetto contingent, it needs pointing out that the number quoted is just the number Coates père is admitting to…

    Another magisterial contribution, Mr Syon.

  21. @Steve Sailer
    @whorefinder

    Sounds like the main plot line in "Sing," the cartoon movie about animals in a singing show: the young Cockney-accented silverback out of a Guy Ritchie movie is a disappointment to his dad because he doesn't he want to be a bankrobber.

    Of course, Joe Strummer was disappointed his dad wasn't a bankrobber and didn't have a Cockney accent:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSl0w5Cqj-Y

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Lurker

    Cockney accent – Joe affected a very strange accent. I don’t know if anyone ever worked out what it was supposed to be. I wonder if there are any recordings anywhere of him talking in his own, original, voice?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Lurker

    Strummer's underlying accent was probably similar to other students of his boarding school, the City of London Freemen's school in Surrey. Other old boys include Simon Cowell of "American Idol" and actor Andrew Garfield of the new Scorsese movie.

    , @BB753
    @Lurker

    Strummer sounds mildly working class, not Cockney. Maybe hanging out with working class Londoners over the years changed his manner of speaking. You can sometimes hear standard educated English (R. P.) underneath his popular accent. It's the other other way round with David Bowie, who wanted to sound posh but couldn't. If you want to listen to a genuine London accent, look up Paul Weller from The Jam. Truly jarring to the ears.

    https://youtu.be/UJuLa9-edG4

  22. What about reparations for descendants of all the white slaves brought to America against their will (as in kidnapped, sold as indentured, and so on) ?

    A lot of white slaves escaped their servitude (being white they could blend into the general population) and many more died from overwork, exposure to disease, and mistreatment, but may have had offspring — because their white masters raped them willy nilly. (White slaves were considered less valuable than the later black chattel slaves and set to more life sapping work.

    And, of course, New England was built by white slaves!!!! Blacks couldn’t survive there. White slaves built New England, because, as we all know, anywhere there are slaves, they did all the building and creating. Where’s the acknowledgement for them?

    • Replies: @Adar.
    @johnmark7

    "many more died from overwork, exposure to disease, and mistreatment,"

    MOST people from "that period" died from disease. Life was short. Indentured servitude was so exceptionally brutal that a major point in most of the contracts with the master it had to be decided how many TIMES PER WEEK an indentured servant could be fed Atlantic salmon!!

    In most places indentured servants got land and the right to vote when completing their period of servitude [7 years mostly].

  23. LOL. “Extraordinary intellectual development” indeed. Maybe the genius needs to attend a decent school somewhere?

  24. Ta’Nehisi is pronounced TEN-uh-see in the original ancient Egyptian.

    In fact, Ta’Nehisi is just an antique spelling of Tennessee, the state having been named in remembrance of ancient Egypt as was one of its most famous and crime ridden cities, Memphis.

    Tennessee Coates. Doesn’t that roll off the tongue more easily?

    • Replies: @dr kill
    @Steve in Greensboro

    Exactly, a point I have been making for four or five years about Teh Coates. His old man couldn't even spell c-o-a-t-s correctly. Daddy issues aren't just for white girls.

    O/T - I look forward to Teh Atlantic also hiring the Emilys (Bazelon and Yoffe) to join Coates and Ioffe, so that I may ignore four of my faves in one periodical.

    , @Bill B.
    @Steve in Greensboro

    A Streetcar named De-surly?

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Mike Zwick
    @Steve in Greensboro

    He could put on a tuxedo and partner up with the guy from Pawn Stars for a live action remake of the 60's cartoon.

  25. @Zoodles
    He is America's greatest super genius. He wrote for Marvel Comics! Why the hell does he need to know who Saint Augustine was?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @syonredux

    Maybe Ta Nehisi Coates doesn’t know who St. Augustine is, but I’ll bet Jeffrey Goldberg doesn’t know the name of the king of Wakanda.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Harry Baldwin

    I bet neither one knows the name of the Emperor of Azania. Well, at least TNC doesn't strike me as a Waugh partisan.

  26. @Lurker
    @Steve Sailer

    Cockney accent - Joe affected a very strange accent. I don't know if anyone ever worked out what it was supposed to be. I wonder if there are any recordings anywhere of him talking in his own, original, voice?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @BB753

    Strummer’s underlying accent was probably similar to other students of his boarding school, the City of London Freemen’s school in Surrey. Other old boys include Simon Cowell of “American Idol” and actor Andrew Garfield of the new Scorsese movie.

  27. @Zoodles
    He is America's greatest super genius. He wrote for Marvel Comics! Why the hell does he need to know who Saint Augustine was?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @syonredux

    He is America’s greatest super genius. He wrote for Marvel Comics! Why the hell does he need to know who Saint Augustine was?

    Indeed. And just to prove how many issues of Penthouse he read as a teenager…..Uhm, that is to say…..to show how woke he is to the plight of the LGBTI community, he’s even added Lesbians to the world of the Black Panther

    http://www.themarysue.com/black-panther-a-nation-under-our-feet/

  28. I’m opposed to reparations payments (to the extent that reparations payments haven’t been paid in disguise already) for all of the good and considered reasons I’d imagine the rest of the sane population is.

    But it would sort of be funny in a “dog that caught the car” sort of way if they ever got a substantial one time cash payment. In a few months blacks would be back where they were, while merchants would happily sell rims and grills and sundry ghetto status symbols and make obscene killings. Then MacArthur Genius grant recipients would have to go back to the drawing board and construct further apologies and arguments for the next round of reparations payments. You can probably already hear Coates reversing his former statements and claim that the reparations payment received was a mere “down payment” against a debt much larger than previously imagined.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Alec Leamas


    But it would sort of be funny in a “dog that caught the car” sort of way if they ever got a substantial one time cash payment. In a few months blacks would be back where they were, while merchants would happily sell rims and grills and sundry ghetto status symbols and make obscene killings.
     
    Chappelle's take on what would happen:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRZN7IzvCVs

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Desiderius
    @Alec Leamas


    I’m opposed to reparations payments
     
    If they insist on reparations for white male victims of affirmative action, I might be convinced.

    Replies: @Adar.

  29. @Alec Leamas
    I'm opposed to reparations payments (to the extent that reparations payments haven't been paid in disguise already) for all of the good and considered reasons I'd imagine the rest of the sane population is.

    But it would sort of be funny in a "dog that caught the car" sort of way if they ever got a substantial one time cash payment. In a few months blacks would be back where they were, while merchants would happily sell rims and grills and sundry ghetto status symbols and make obscene killings. Then MacArthur Genius grant recipients would have to go back to the drawing board and construct further apologies and arguments for the next round of reparations payments. You can probably already hear Coates reversing his former statements and claim that the reparations payment received was a mere "down payment" against a debt much larger than previously imagined.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Desiderius

    But it would sort of be funny in a “dog that caught the car” sort of way if they ever got a substantial one time cash payment. In a few months blacks would be back where they were, while merchants would happily sell rims and grills and sundry ghetto status symbols and make obscene killings.

    Chappelle’s take on what would happen:

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @syonredux

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtN8ZqHWn40

  30. @syonredux
    @Alec Leamas


    But it would sort of be funny in a “dog that caught the car” sort of way if they ever got a substantial one time cash payment. In a few months blacks would be back where they were, while merchants would happily sell rims and grills and sundry ghetto status symbols and make obscene killings.
     
    Chappelle's take on what would happen:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRZN7IzvCVs

    Replies: @syonredux

    • LOL: Kyle McKenna
  31. If Ta-Nehisi style reparations ever come about it will be in the form of yearly payments for 10-20 years. Blacks will become the largest tribe of Casino Indians. Membership will be exclusive and subject to DNA testing. Nigerians and other African immigrants need not apply.

    Reps will be doled out on a sliding scale, depending on how much African blood you have and it must be American slave blood. President Obama and Eric Holder will not qualify.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Clyde

    "If Ta-Nehisi style reparations ever come about it will be in the form of yearly payments for 10-20 years. Blacks will become the largest tribe of Casino Indians. Membership will be exclusive and subject to DNA testing."

    You say DNA testing, are we using a one drop rule here? Because if we are it's going to open up a can of worms because the percentage of people in The U.S who would be Black under the one drop rule is a lot higher than 13 percent. The average Mexican has 6 percent Sub Saharan African DNA.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mexicans&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Autosomal_studies

    And Caribbean Hispanics have even more Sub Saharan African DNA than Mexicans.

    We can't make the definition of Black as broad as the one drop rule when White taxpayers have to pick up the tab for this silly reparations. The definition of Black should be limited to people of PREDOMINANTLY Sub Saharan African ancestry when talking reparations. Your DNA can not be predominantly Nonblack and still get reparations. The one drop rule would make reparations even more expensive for White taxpayers, it would definitely reach well into the tens of trillions.

    Replies: @Clyde

  32. @Hank Archer
    Here's a reparations idea. Give all American citizens who can prove they are descended from American slaves ownership of $100,000 worth of Federal public lands. Exclude National Parks, designated wildernesses, fish & wildlife refuges and other sensitive areas. There is plenty of ordinary BLM & Forest Service land in the west that could be developed if it went into private hands.

    Split the Liberal coalition by pitting Blacks against the environmentalists.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @dc.sunsets

    $100,000 would buy many times more land in Africa. We cold confiscate it from the descendants of the original slave-sellers.

  33. @whorefinder
    The proclamation of low-IQ Ta-Nehehehesi Coates as an "intellectual" is hilarious, and seems a farcical combination of the Emperor's New Clothes, the crowning of a Down syndrome man as "King of Fools" during Mardi Gras, an updating of Tom Wolfe's Radical Chic for the 21st Century, and the Left doubling-down on the "I have a black friend!" mentality that led to 8 years of Obama destroying the Democrats.

    The only thing more hilarious is how the Left hasn't realized a big, central truth from the election: that very few people are listening to or taking seriously their organs of propaganda, the Corporate Media, anymore. As a result, these folks will be in absolute shock when Coates's books fail to sell as well as predicted, his writing doesn't save The Atlantic from dropping sales, and how most Americans, including black Americans, will not know or have heard his nonsense when asked about them---and how little dent his "arguments" (to use the term loosely) will impact national opinions. (Similar to how the Left is always shocked how Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have actual little pull over most blacks, and can't order them to stop rioting).

    And that's before we get into the hilarity of Coates's not-very-well-hidden massive insecurity at failing to become the violent, masculine black radical leader his father wanted, and instead becoming a mincing, weak, gentrified token black "thinker" for white lefties to coo over. Such a letdown for daddy.

    Seriously, if in a debate you wanted to upset Coates, throw him off his game, or just want to make him spazz out like a child, insinuating that Coates is a disappointment to his father or isn't very masculine will set him off like a rocket ship, and probably not only have him spitting and sputtering and threatening you (without meaning it), but also launch two-three articles by him attacking you/defending his masculinity. It would be child's play.

    Similar to how Ann Coulter and her fellow travelers on the right figured out that one of Keith Olbermann's massive insecurities (among his many) was about where he went to college, and so gently mocked him. Olbermann went on a child-tantrum tear, actually physically bringing his diploma out on live TV to lecture people for a full segment about how he really did go to a real Ivy league school, you guys!

    Olbermann's massive faux pas doing that --which in itself was mockable, and only highlighted his insecurity---was probably one of the final straws in pushing his psycho behavior into such a state that, later, not even MSNBC could tolerate his insecure psychosis.

    And so it should go with Coates.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @whorefinder, @Mr. Anon, @Clyde, @ic1000, @ben tillman, @Ragno, @Jim Don Bob, @Old Palo Altan

    … “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”

    Emperor’s New Clothes is right! There must be some way they can slot Ta-Nehisi into the next Star Wars, Rogue Three, whatever. Make him the philosopher king of a galaxy. Dark matter, matters!

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Clyde


    … “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”

    Emperor’s New Clothes is right! There must be some way they can slot Ta-Nehisi into the next Star Wars, Rogue Three, whatever. Make him the philosopher king of a galaxy. Dark matter, matters!
     
    Maybe he could do something with a Black Hole.......
    , @whorefinder
    @Clyde


    There must be some way they can slot Ta-Nehisi into the next Star Wars, Rogue Three, whatever. Make him the philosopher king of a galaxy. Dark matter, matters!
     
    You know what's sad? He'd do it as a homage to Cornell West's hilarious turn in The Matrix films, where West was one of the super-wise council of elders/leaders/whatevers. One low-IQ token "intellectual" to another there.

    Replies: @David

  34. Are the Jews laughing at him behind his back

  35. Anonymous [AKA "Blindjeremiah"] says:

    Since i dont watch tv or talk to anyone who knows, can someone help me with a pronunciation of mr coates full name? Thanks in advance

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Tana Hasi

    This is a black man's idea of showing the white people how stupid they are. He may not know who St. Augustine is but you don't know how to pronounce Ta-Nehisi. Or alternatively, if he tells yo his name verbally, you can't spell it correctly. So who's stupid now, white boy? In other words, Tana Hasi is the modern version of Rumpelstiltskin.

    , @Kylie
    @Anonymous

    "Since i dont watch tv or talk to anyone who knows, can someone help me with a pronunciation of mr coates full name? Thanks in advance"

    Jee-nee-us Tee Cotes

  36. @syonredux

    “To ignore the fact that one of the oldest republics in the world was erected on a foundation of white supremacy, to pretend that the problems of a dual society are the same as the problems of unregulated capitalism, is to cover the sin of national plunder with the sin of national lying,” Coates writes.
     
    Multiculturalism!F*** that noise!In TNC-World, it's always 1933 (the era of the tyrant, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, father of the heinous sin of redlining), and America is a Black-and-White country...

    But what also has been notable is the reaction of like-minded readers to the piece, which took two years to complete. Everywhere he goes, Coates hears versions of the same plea: What about my group? What about Native Americans? What about Latino immigrants? What about me?
     
    Yeesh, people, where have you been? People with black bodies only care about things that involve Blackness. Heck, if you deleted the word "Black" from TNC's articles, they would be about 25% shorter....

    Coates’s accounting of his personal costs begins with the menace of West Baltimore, a place where young black men — such as himself — were ever at risk.
     
    Love the graceful elision there. At risk because of.....violent Black people? No, just at risk, you know, because of reasons......

    His father, Paul Coates, is a former Black Panther who chose a first name for him inspired by the ancient Egyptian word for Nubia. Its non-intuitive pronunciation—Ta-nuh-ha-see — and its unfamiliar spelling are the source of frequent errors. Coates delights in needling critics who misspell his name.
     
    OK........

    The elder Coates fathered seven children with four women. Ta-Nehisi lived with both his parents throughout his childhood. His father wanted all his kids to know one another, and so Ta-Nehisi says he lived in “various iterations with my brothers and sisters” over the years. “It was usually whoever was causing trouble,” he says. “That’s who came to live with us.”
     
    That's gotta be due to redlining......

    All the women in his father’s life played a role in raising him, Coates says, and he often spent time at his brothers’ and sisters’ homes. “I had a community, a village, as they say, around me,” he says.

    Asked whether there were tensions or jealousies among the women, Coates says, “maybe and probably,” but that wasn’t the sort of thing that he sensed as a child.
     
    MMMM, sounds very West African......

    What he did sense was a love of words. In the late 1970s, his father founded a small publishing house that he still runs, Black Classic Press. It specializes in republishing works of black authors that have gone out of print. “There were books everywhere,” Coates says. “There were books in our basement; there were books out in our garage. There were black books in our living room, black books in our bedroom, black books in the kitchen, black books. It was everywhere around me. . . . I was bathed in it. I couldn’t escape it.
     
    Nigel Tufnel:" It's like, how much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black."

    The world outside the family home came with its own inescapable realities. Tough guys “jumped me all the time,” Coates recalls. The worst was the time he was hit over the head with that metal trash can

     

    Years later, he learned that it was all because of redlining.....

    Replies: @Kyle McKenna, @ussr andy, @Amasius, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jus' Sayin'...

    to pretend that the problems of a dual society are the same as the problems of unregulated capitalism,

    I think the alt.Right would also be thrilled to discuss “problems of a dual society” – but in the way the new (identity politics) leftists (who wanted to make it about race in the first place, and succeeded) probably wouldn’t like.

    I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Manchester capitalism and people sleeping on the workshop floor s***d even though everyone was the same race. MultiKulti s***s even under social democracy (or especially under social democracy.)

  37. If reparations put an end to disparate impact studies, false news reporting, hate crime legislation abuse, and affirmative action in government, I’d make a donation myself.

  38. @Clyde
    @whorefinder


    … “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”
     
    Emperor's New Clothes is right! There must be some way they can slot Ta-Nehisi into the next Star Wars, Rogue Three, whatever. Make him the philosopher king of a galaxy. Dark matter, matters!

    Replies: @syonredux, @whorefinder

    … “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”

    Emperor’s New Clothes is right! There must be some way they can slot Ta-Nehisi into the next Star Wars, Rogue Three, whatever. Make him the philosopher king of a galaxy. Dark matter, matters!

    Maybe he could do something with a Black Hole…….

  39. @Clyde
    @whorefinder


    … “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”
     
    Emperor's New Clothes is right! There must be some way they can slot Ta-Nehisi into the next Star Wars, Rogue Three, whatever. Make him the philosopher king of a galaxy. Dark matter, matters!

    Replies: @syonredux, @whorefinder

    There must be some way they can slot Ta-Nehisi into the next Star Wars, Rogue Three, whatever. Make him the philosopher king of a galaxy. Dark matter, matters!

    You know what’s sad? He’d do it as a homage to Cornell West’s hilarious turn in The Matrix films, where West was one of the super-wise council of elders/leaders/whatevers. One low-IQ token “intellectual” to another there.

    • Replies: @David
    @whorefinder

    I thought the Mick Tyson appearance in the last Ip Man movie was a good example of what Steve has called leap-frogging. Ip Man movies are rather anti-Western so presenting America's oppressed as the moral equal of Ip is similar to Vermont hating "flat-landers" but loving African child-soldiers and Syrians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmmCBP-bBWQ

  40. @Anonymous
    Since i dont watch tv or talk to anyone who knows, can someone help me with a pronunciation of mr coates full name? Thanks in advance

    Replies: @Jack D, @Kylie

    Tana Hasi

    This is a black man’s idea of showing the white people how stupid they are. He may not know who St. Augustine is but you don’t know how to pronounce Ta-Nehisi. Or alternatively, if he tells yo his name verbally, you can’t spell it correctly. So who’s stupid now, white boy? In other words, Tana Hasi is the modern version of Rumpelstiltskin.

  41. Anonymous [AKA "Harry Warren"] says:

    St Augustine probably doesn’t know who T-Nehisi Coates is, once again showing the endemic racism of America.

  42. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    And, once Coates finds out that St. Augustine was born in North Africa, it's a foregone conclusion to, "Aha! Augustine was a brother! Dang, I really should check this dude out."

    I mean, everyone knows that the Bishop of Hippo was black. Wonder why Golderg didn't bother to inform NC of this fact. It has to be on account of racism. It just has to be.

    Replies: @WowJustWow, @Frau Katze, @FX Enderby

    I’m sure the hit transracial Lin-Manuel Miranda musical is already in the works.

    • Replies: @Cletus Rothschild
    @WowJustWow

    "I’m sure the hit transracial Lin-Manuel Miranda musical is already in the works."

    It is. It will be based on a black and white mulatto character named Ta-Nehisi Tuxedo.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcSaTp8saiU

  43. Whenever I hear or see someone described as “amazing,” I immediately assume that they must be awful.

  44. @Harry Baldwin
    @Zoodles

    Maybe Ta Nehisi Coates doesn't know who St. Augustine is, but I'll bet Jeffrey Goldberg doesn't know the name of the king of Wakanda.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    I bet neither one knows the name of the Emperor of Azania. Well, at least TNC doesn’t strike me as a Waugh partisan.

  45. @syonredux

    “To ignore the fact that one of the oldest republics in the world was erected on a foundation of white supremacy, to pretend that the problems of a dual society are the same as the problems of unregulated capitalism, is to cover the sin of national plunder with the sin of national lying,” Coates writes.
     
    Multiculturalism!F*** that noise!In TNC-World, it's always 1933 (the era of the tyrant, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, father of the heinous sin of redlining), and America is a Black-and-White country...

    But what also has been notable is the reaction of like-minded readers to the piece, which took two years to complete. Everywhere he goes, Coates hears versions of the same plea: What about my group? What about Native Americans? What about Latino immigrants? What about me?
     
    Yeesh, people, where have you been? People with black bodies only care about things that involve Blackness. Heck, if you deleted the word "Black" from TNC's articles, they would be about 25% shorter....

    Coates’s accounting of his personal costs begins with the menace of West Baltimore, a place where young black men — such as himself — were ever at risk.
     
    Love the graceful elision there. At risk because of.....violent Black people? No, just at risk, you know, because of reasons......

    His father, Paul Coates, is a former Black Panther who chose a first name for him inspired by the ancient Egyptian word for Nubia. Its non-intuitive pronunciation—Ta-nuh-ha-see — and its unfamiliar spelling are the source of frequent errors. Coates delights in needling critics who misspell his name.
     
    OK........

    The elder Coates fathered seven children with four women. Ta-Nehisi lived with both his parents throughout his childhood. His father wanted all his kids to know one another, and so Ta-Nehisi says he lived in “various iterations with my brothers and sisters” over the years. “It was usually whoever was causing trouble,” he says. “That’s who came to live with us.”
     
    That's gotta be due to redlining......

    All the women in his father’s life played a role in raising him, Coates says, and he often spent time at his brothers’ and sisters’ homes. “I had a community, a village, as they say, around me,” he says.

    Asked whether there were tensions or jealousies among the women, Coates says, “maybe and probably,” but that wasn’t the sort of thing that he sensed as a child.
     
    MMMM, sounds very West African......

    What he did sense was a love of words. In the late 1970s, his father founded a small publishing house that he still runs, Black Classic Press. It specializes in republishing works of black authors that have gone out of print. “There were books everywhere,” Coates says. “There were books in our basement; there were books out in our garage. There were black books in our living room, black books in our bedroom, black books in the kitchen, black books. It was everywhere around me. . . . I was bathed in it. I couldn’t escape it.
     
    Nigel Tufnel:" It's like, how much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black."

    The world outside the family home came with its own inescapable realities. Tough guys “jumped me all the time,” Coates recalls. The worst was the time he was hit over the head with that metal trash can

     

    Years later, he learned that it was all because of redlining.....

    Replies: @Kyle McKenna, @ussr andy, @Amasius, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jus' Sayin'...

    It’s simply offensive to have it spelled “Ta-Nehisi” and then make us say “Ta-NaHAsi.” It’s a crime against language and literacy. It makes no sense on any level. You pronounce “i” as “ah,” like a Southern accent perhaps (it’s already dumb but I’m being generous), but then you have another “i” in the same name that you say as “ee.” And you already have an “a” in the first syllable which you pronounce as “ah.” Why the hell isn’t it spelled Ta-Nahasi? It’s all just plain stupid, and we’re forced to deal with it because they keep pushing this cretin on us.

    I thought Dwyane [sic] Wade and Isiah [sic] Thomas were bad…

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    @Amasius

    Jrue Holliday (pronounced "Drew") sends his regards

    , @Jack D
    @Amasius

    You also forgot to mention the meaningless hyphen in the wrong place. If you are offended then you've fallen for his father's shtick - it was meant to be offensive to white people. That was the whole point.

    Personally I think it is amusing. We take these things so seriously now. If you read 19th century coverage of black culture in the mainstream American press (even the Northern press) they took it all very tongue in cheek, as if they were writing about people who were putting on airs, pretending to be smarter and more civilized than they really were. But now we have to pretend to deeply RESPECT the phony invented black culture with phony made up names with nonsensical spellings and made up holidays like Kwanzaa (which BTW, seems to be fading, thank God). Don't read too deeply into Ta-Nehisi - it's a stupid made up name with stupid made up spelling made up by a stupid person so naturally it doesn't adhere to any internally consistent rules of spelling. Do you think Coates, Sr. is Noah Webster?

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @Peripatetic commenter

  46. As an engineer, I often “invite people in” when I don’t know what I am doing. Of course, it’s a good thing I am a software engineer and not a bridge designer.

  47. @whorefinder
    @Pandarus

    I predict at one point in the next decade a Leftist "intellectual" will declare---in all seriousness--- that s/he is smarter than St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Thomas Jefferson, or some other legendary Western traditional thinker---probably on Bill Maher's show, or on MSNBC/CNN/Fox during a talking heads segment. And then s/he will adamantly defend their declaration in articles in "serious" literature/newspapers---and other Leftist "intellectuals" will back them up (Dana Milbank, I'm looking at you for the toadying).

    In fact, much like goading Olbermann and Coates into their foolishness, we should be goading other Leftists intellectuals into doing this. It really wouldn't be hard at all; they already didain Western culture as well as anyone who can remotely be called a "dead white man" or who believes in traditional intellectualism. (Unless they start claiming the white man was secretly black, like blacks do with Jesus, Beethoven, and every Egyptian ruler).

    It's a hoot watching the Left prove everyday since Trump's emergence that it is the movement of the low-IQ but highly-credentialed and well-connected.

    Replies: @Bill B., @John Chard, @Ivy

    In fact, much like goading Olbermann and Coates into their foolishness, we should be goading other Leftists intellectuals into doing this.

    Yes.

    Whenever anyone remotely sensible complains that an obvious charlatan or dud like Genius T. Coates or Jeremy Corbyn must be corrected I feel uneasy. As Napoleon said “…when the enemy is making a false movement we must take good care not to interrupt him.”

  48. @WowJustWow
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I'm sure the hit transracial Lin-Manuel Miranda musical is already in the works.

    Replies: @Cletus Rothschild

    “I’m sure the hit transracial Lin-Manuel Miranda musical is already in the works.”

    It is. It will be based on a black and white mulatto character named Ta-Nehisi Tuxedo.

  49. @Steve in Greensboro
    Ta’Nehisi is pronounced TEN-uh-see in the original ancient Egyptian.

    In fact, Ta’Nehisi is just an antique spelling of Tennessee, the state having been named in remembrance of ancient Egypt as was one of its most famous and crime ridden cities, Memphis.

    Tennessee Coates. Doesn’t that roll off the tongue more easily?

    Replies: @dr kill, @Bill B., @Mike Zwick

    Exactly, a point I have been making for four or five years about Teh Coates. His old man couldn’t even spell c-o-a-t-s correctly. Daddy issues aren’t just for white girls.

    O/T – I look forward to Teh Atlantic also hiring the Emilys (Bazelon and Yoffe) to join Coates and Ioffe, so that I may ignore four of my faves in one periodical.

  50. @Steve in Greensboro
    Ta’Nehisi is pronounced TEN-uh-see in the original ancient Egyptian.

    In fact, Ta’Nehisi is just an antique spelling of Tennessee, the state having been named in remembrance of ancient Egypt as was one of its most famous and crime ridden cities, Memphis.

    Tennessee Coates. Doesn’t that roll off the tongue more easily?

    Replies: @dr kill, @Bill B., @Mike Zwick

    A Streetcar named De-surly?

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Bill B.

    A Street Cred Named Aspire

  51. Serious question: does Ta-Nehisi understand he is being used to play the role of ‘serious’ Black Intellectual in a similar way to how Neal Degrasse Tyson plays the role of ‘superstar’ Black Scientist?

    And that those frantically trying to convince the public that both are geniuses can’t possibly think either one is remotely above average?

    But are instead using both to accomplish other political goals?

    Nah.

    He’s from the Obama school, confusing affirmative action for accomplishment.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Kek Disciple

    American blacks may be lacking in many things but one thing they are not lacking in is self-esteem, of the "we wuz kangs" variety. So Coates probably thinks that he is UNDERrated as intellectual due to racism.

    It's interesting to contrast Coates types with Asians (especially Japanese) who are taught never to brag (the blade of grass that sticks its head up gets its head cut off). So if you see an interview with a Japanese Nobel Prize winner, they are always self-effacing to a fault. Someone who has achieved real scientific and intellectual breakthroughs will say, " I didn't really accomplish very much, I don't know why I am being honored", etc. It's not even false modesty or humblebragging - it is deeply engrained in their culture never to be satisfied with yourself so that you keep pushing to accomplish more.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  52. @whorefinder
    @Clyde


    There must be some way they can slot Ta-Nehisi into the next Star Wars, Rogue Three, whatever. Make him the philosopher king of a galaxy. Dark matter, matters!
     
    You know what's sad? He'd do it as a homage to Cornell West's hilarious turn in The Matrix films, where West was one of the super-wise council of elders/leaders/whatevers. One low-IQ token "intellectual" to another there.

    Replies: @David

    I thought the Mick Tyson appearance in the last Ip Man movie was a good example of what Steve has called leap-frogging. Ip Man movies are rather anti-Western so presenting America’s oppressed as the moral equal of Ip is similar to Vermont hating “flat-landers” but loving African child-soldiers and Syrians.

  53. @whorefinder
    The proclamation of low-IQ Ta-Nehehehesi Coates as an "intellectual" is hilarious, and seems a farcical combination of the Emperor's New Clothes, the crowning of a Down syndrome man as "King of Fools" during Mardi Gras, an updating of Tom Wolfe's Radical Chic for the 21st Century, and the Left doubling-down on the "I have a black friend!" mentality that led to 8 years of Obama destroying the Democrats.

    The only thing more hilarious is how the Left hasn't realized a big, central truth from the election: that very few people are listening to or taking seriously their organs of propaganda, the Corporate Media, anymore. As a result, these folks will be in absolute shock when Coates's books fail to sell as well as predicted, his writing doesn't save The Atlantic from dropping sales, and how most Americans, including black Americans, will not know or have heard his nonsense when asked about them---and how little dent his "arguments" (to use the term loosely) will impact national opinions. (Similar to how the Left is always shocked how Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have actual little pull over most blacks, and can't order them to stop rioting).

    And that's before we get into the hilarity of Coates's not-very-well-hidden massive insecurity at failing to become the violent, masculine black radical leader his father wanted, and instead becoming a mincing, weak, gentrified token black "thinker" for white lefties to coo over. Such a letdown for daddy.

    Seriously, if in a debate you wanted to upset Coates, throw him off his game, or just want to make him spazz out like a child, insinuating that Coates is a disappointment to his father or isn't very masculine will set him off like a rocket ship, and probably not only have him spitting and sputtering and threatening you (without meaning it), but also launch two-three articles by him attacking you/defending his masculinity. It would be child's play.

    Similar to how Ann Coulter and her fellow travelers on the right figured out that one of Keith Olbermann's massive insecurities (among his many) was about where he went to college, and so gently mocked him. Olbermann went on a child-tantrum tear, actually physically bringing his diploma out on live TV to lecture people for a full segment about how he really did go to a real Ivy league school, you guys!

    Olbermann's massive faux pas doing that --which in itself was mockable, and only highlighted his insecurity---was probably one of the final straws in pushing his psycho behavior into such a state that, later, not even MSNBC could tolerate his insecure psychosis.

    And so it should go with Coates.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @whorefinder, @Mr. Anon, @Clyde, @ic1000, @ben tillman, @Ragno, @Jim Don Bob, @Old Palo Altan

    I recommend scanning Between the World and Me; TNC’s a gifted writer. Although he’s not particularly well-suited to living as a citizen of a multicultural United States — his ill-will towards non-Africans is visceral. A few stray “some of my best friends and acquaintances are white” paragraphs are grafted to a narrative that is imbued with an Old Testament loathing of the majority (plurality, soon enough) of his countrymen, who he scorns with the moniker of “Dreamers.”

    It’s all catnip to white progressives. Virtue signalling and post-Christian guilt, I guess.

  54. @Steve in Greensboro
    Ta’Nehisi is pronounced TEN-uh-see in the original ancient Egyptian.

    In fact, Ta’Nehisi is just an antique spelling of Tennessee, the state having been named in remembrance of ancient Egypt as was one of its most famous and crime ridden cities, Memphis.

    Tennessee Coates. Doesn’t that roll off the tongue more easily?

    Replies: @dr kill, @Bill B., @Mike Zwick

    He could put on a tuxedo and partner up with the guy from Pawn Stars for a live action remake of the 60’s cartoon.

  55. https://www.yahoo.com/gma/police-eye-social-media-spate-post-christmas-mall-113852993–abc-news-topstories.html

    In other news involving black bodies. You won’t find that mentioned in any of the stories about the mall fights though.

  56. Coates came slowly to the side of advocating reparations. Four years ago, he wrote that he opposed them. But he says that his thinking shifted as he began to delve more deeply into history. The transformation, as with much of his intellectual evolution, took place in public, puzzled out in blog posts that can sometimes read like a glimpse into someone’s afternoon daydreaming or late-night studying.

    That’s called “flip flopping.” At least when you’re talking about Trump.

    Of course, I’ve flip flopped on reparations, too: Every descendant of black slaves should pay money to the descendants of Union soldiers who died in battle (white and black), because the cost of black emancipation in the US was unique to the US – a price not paid in any other slave holding country in the New World.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @J1234

    "Every descendant of black slaves should pay money to the descendants of Union soldiers who died in battle (white and black), because the cost of black emancipation in the US was unique to the US – a price not paid in any other slave holding country in the New World."

    Yes, unique because of our STUPID Constitution that "conservatives" still worship. Every other democracy in the world has taken the British systems as a model (even Iraq and Israel); the eliminated slavery in the whole Empire without firing a shot.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Stan Adams, @Bill Jones

  57. @syonredux

    As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.
     
    He basically just said that Coates is an inarticulate manchild....

    “You get here and people say, ‘Why can’t you do that for our community?’ ” Coates says one morning at a Capitol Hill coffee shop. He calls the reaction “disrespectful” but “not illogical.” Disrespectful because he believes the experience of blacks in America deserves its own, focused examination. Not illogical because he can empathize with the desire of people who feel wronged.
     
    Respect is a key word in TNC’s lexicon, another sign, perhaps, of his immaturity.

    All in all, it’s pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC. At least Baldwin could always fall back on the language of the King James Bible. TNC, in contrast, can only deploy the mind-numbing vocabulary of the post-modern academy....

    Replies: @Bill, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon, @Frau Katze

    He basically just said that Coates is an inarticulate manchild….

    Yeah, exactly. There’s a certain kind of parent who thinks they are clever because they can outsmart their small children, make fun of them in front of their faces, and wink at you without kiddo ever noticing. It’s like that. Ta is never going to figure it out. Maybe he’ll clue in on the body language of some of his colleagues. But, he’ll never figure it out by reading what they write. And, once you think about it a bit, that’s actually a commentary on the jerks making fun of the poor guy.

  58. Regarding his pc name: I thought everyone here just calls him Teh Genius Coattails.

  59. I predict at one point in the next decade a Leftist “intellectual” will declare—in all seriousness— that s/he is smarter than St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Thomas Jefferson, or some other legendary Western traditional thinker—probably on Bill Maher’s show, or on MSNBC/CNN/Fox during a talking heads segment. And then s/he will adamantly defend their declaration in articles in “serious” literature/newspapers—and other Leftist “intellectuals” will back them up (Dana Milbank, I’m looking at you for the toadying).

    “Who don’t like my dick in the butter tray?” is ebonics for, “behold, the emperor’s new clothes!”

    Tennessee Coates. Doesn’t that roll off the tongue more easily?

    I’ve tried pushing this one, but so far no dice.

    That’s called “flip flopping.” At least when you’re talking about Trump.

    Of course, I’ve flip flopped on reparations, too: Every descendant of black slaves should pay money to the descendants of Union soldiers who died in battle (white and black), because the cost of black emancipation in the US was unique to the US – a price not paid in any other slave holding country in the New World.

    Better yet, paid from Yankeeland to Dixie, for getting everything wrong.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Svigor


    Better yet, paid from Yankeeland to Dixie, for getting everything wrong.
     
    Dunno. The South did a lot of stupid stuff. For example, South Carolina alone imported approx 40,000 slaves during the period 1803-1807. In 1860, Slaves made up 57% of the total population of South Carolina:

    http://www.civil-war.net/pages/1860_census.html

    Talk about suicidal behavior.....
  60. @syonredux

    As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.
     
    He basically just said that Coates is an inarticulate manchild....

    “You get here and people say, ‘Why can’t you do that for our community?’ ” Coates says one morning at a Capitol Hill coffee shop. He calls the reaction “disrespectful” but “not illogical.” Disrespectful because he believes the experience of blacks in America deserves its own, focused examination. Not illogical because he can empathize with the desire of people who feel wronged.
     
    Respect is a key word in TNC’s lexicon, another sign, perhaps, of his immaturity.

    All in all, it’s pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC. At least Baldwin could always fall back on the language of the King James Bible. TNC, in contrast, can only deploy the mind-numbing vocabulary of the post-modern academy....

    Replies: @Bill, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon, @Frau Katze

    Syon, your original 2014 breakdown (#22) of the WAPO article was (as TNC might say in another context) masterful.

  61. … “Ta-Nehisi is amazing in the way he thinks out loud and invites people in,” says James Bennet, the Atlantic’s editor in chief. “He’s carrying out his extraordinary intellectual development in public. He’s very direct about what he doesn’t know.”

    This sort of reminds me of the way black quarterbacks used to be talked about in order to avoid their deficiencies in the quarterback position. I’m thinking specifically of Randall Cunningham, whose “raw athleticism” and “creativity” were purported to overcome his inability to read defenses and cycle through the progressions of a play. This sort of reached its zenith when it was said that “he didn’t know what he was doing, but the defenses sure as hell didn’t either!”

  62. As Chris Rock said, “[They] be proud to be ignorant”

  63. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Coates confessed that he didn’t know who Saint Augustine was, then charged ahead with the debate."

    And of course, Coates could always respond with, 'Ok, Jeffrey, let's see who's paying attention. Name Biggie and Tupac's backup members on their most famous raps. And also, name the top three beats on the Chronic Album. After all, the Chronic changed my whole world. What'd Bishop of Hippo ever do for me?'

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonitron3, @oh its just me too

    I used to lurk TNC’s erstwhile “Horde” comment section at the Atlantic. TNC was going to visit DC and asked the commenters where to get his hair cut. Some hapless goof didn’t get the bliggity-black hints and recommended the Hair Cuttery chain. Hilarity ensued.

    TNC had his own awkward Hair Cuttery moment in a later post when his usually fawning commenters expressed alarmed bewilderment when he revealed ignorance of Simon and Garfunkel and “The Sound of Silence.” (Tried to find the thread, to no avail.) IIRC he made a defense similar to your parodic quote.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I can sort of see how Mr. Coates has a somewhat elevated view of himself and his writing after having a loyal group of lickspittles like the "Horde" who did nothing but rhapsodize about his genius in the comments to everything he wrote. If any one is unclear as to what the term "epistemic closure" means, just read a Coates column and then all the responses from his followers.

    One of the reasons it must sort of suck to be a black person of above average ability is the obsequious way goodwhites fawn over your every move or utterance. I would think that's more insulting than just being ignored, although obviously there are people who enjoy the attention and ego stroking like Mr. Coates. It might be better to be a gifted athlete where black excellence is expected and people of all stripes feel free to offer constructive criticism of your play as opposed to trying to operate in the intellectual realm where your ripoff of James Baldwin is praised as "essential, like water or air" by the NYT.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  64. @Hank Archer
    Here's a reparations idea. Give all American citizens who can prove they are descended from American slaves ownership of $100,000 worth of Federal public lands. Exclude National Parks, designated wildernesses, fish & wildlife refuges and other sensitive areas. There is plenty of ordinary BLM & Forest Service land in the west that could be developed if it went into private hands.

    Split the Liberal coalition by pitting Blacks against the environmentalists.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @dc.sunsets

    Better idea : all unhappy descendants of slaves get one way tickets to Liberia.

  65. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.
     
    He basically just said that Coates is an inarticulate manchild....

    “You get here and people say, ‘Why can’t you do that for our community?’ ” Coates says one morning at a Capitol Hill coffee shop. He calls the reaction “disrespectful” but “not illogical.” Disrespectful because he believes the experience of blacks in America deserves its own, focused examination. Not illogical because he can empathize with the desire of people who feel wronged.
     
    Respect is a key word in TNC’s lexicon, another sign, perhaps, of his immaturity.

    All in all, it’s pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC. At least Baldwin could always fall back on the language of the King James Bible. TNC, in contrast, can only deploy the mind-numbing vocabulary of the post-modern academy....

    Replies: @Bill, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon, @Frau Katze

    “All in all, it’s pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC. At least Baldwin could always fall back on the language of the King James Bible. TNC, in contrast, can only deploy the mind-numbing vocabulary of the post-modern academy….”

    True, but that’s because they took your advice and got rid of all da fegz. Now you complain?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anon


    “All in all, it’s pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC. At least Baldwin could always fall back on the language of the King James Bible. TNC, in contrast, can only deploy the mind-numbing vocabulary of the post-modern academy….”

    True, but that’s because they took your advice and got rid of all da fegz. Now you complain?
     
    Far from it, dear fellow. I always try to encourage sodomitical practices among our Black brethren. If nothing else, it might at least lower their TFR.....

    Replies: @Kylie

  66. Coates isn’t unintelligent – it’s just that he’s in the “brighter than average” category of your typical college student range that probably puts him at around 75-80th percentile rather than the much more intelligent and truly intimidating 95th percentile occupied by actual intellectuals. John McWhorter is in that vicinity and has a much more well-reasoned and circumspect style of writing, which is why he is probably ignored while Coates is celebrated by elite whites who desperately want to show how “woke” they are.

    One of the most insulting things to blacks is to be described as articulate, since it implies you didn’t really expect that out of the person standing in front of you. Unfortunately for Coates, that’s basically the description his fans repeatedly use when discussing him, which is a backhanded compliment they probably aren’t even aware of.

  67. all those mall riots have 1 thing in common…it’s never mentioned in press coverage, but I bet T-N Coates would see it

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4067534/Chaos-reigns-malls-country-break-mass-brawls.html

    • Replies: @CCZ
    @eric

    I was very recently told by a 60 year old white female college educated, university employed, suburban living, pro-social justice and anti-white racism (self-described), liberal Unitarian-Universalist church congregant that young black male rap, guns, drug, violence “culture” was the product / result of “white supremacy” and “systematic racism.” And she was not alone in expressing that belief. That ended that “conversation” on the nature of contemporary race relations.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Paco Wové

  68. @Amasius
    @syonredux

    It's simply offensive to have it spelled "Ta-Nehisi" and then make us say "Ta-NaHAsi." It's a crime against language and literacy. It makes no sense on any level. You pronounce "i" as "ah," like a Southern accent perhaps (it's already dumb but I'm being generous), but then you have another "i" in the same name that you say as "ee." And you already have an "a" in the first syllable which you pronounce as "ah." Why the hell isn't it spelled Ta-Nahasi? It's all just plain stupid, and we're forced to deal with it because they keep pushing this cretin on us.

    I thought Dwyane [sic] Wade and Isiah [sic] Thomas were bad...

    Replies: @415 reasons, @Jack D

    Jrue Holliday (pronounced “Drew”) sends his regards

  69. @eric
    all those mall riots have 1 thing in common...it's never mentioned in press coverage, but I bet T-N Coates would see it


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4067534/Chaos-reigns-malls-country-break-mass-brawls.html

    Replies: @CCZ

    I was very recently told by a 60 year old white female college educated, university employed, suburban living, pro-social justice and anti-white racism (self-described), liberal Unitarian-Universalist church congregant that young black male rap, guns, drug, violence “culture” was the product / result of “white supremacy” and “systematic racism.” And she was not alone in expressing that belief. That ended that “conversation” on the nature of contemporary race relations.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @CCZ

    Funny, because as a Unitarian Universalist I'd imagine she'd find notions of the existence of the Devil ridiculous, but all she's done is swapped one for another. The blacks are embodied by Flip Wilson.

    , @Paco Wové
    @CCZ

    "Unitarian-Universalist church congregant"

    You could have started and ended the description of the speaker right there; all else is redundant.

  70. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @J1234

    Coates came slowly to the side of advocating reparations. Four years ago, he wrote that he opposed them. But he says that his thinking shifted as he began to delve more deeply into history. The transformation, as with much of his intellectual evolution, took place in public, puzzled out in blog posts that can sometimes read like a glimpse into someone’s afternoon daydreaming or late-night studying.
     
    That's called "flip flopping." At least when you're talking about Trump.

    Of course, I've flip flopped on reparations, too: Every descendant of black slaves should pay money to the descendants of Union soldiers who died in battle (white and black), because the cost of black emancipation in the US was unique to the US - a price not paid in any other slave holding country in the New World.

    Replies: @Anon

    “Every descendant of black slaves should pay money to the descendants of Union soldiers who died in battle (white and black), because the cost of black emancipation in the US was unique to the US – a price not paid in any other slave holding country in the New World.”

    Yes, unique because of our STUPID Constitution that “conservatives” still worship. Every other democracy in the world has taken the British systems as a model (even Iraq and Israel); the eliminated slavery in the whole Empire without firing a shot.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anon


    Yes, unique because of our STUPID Constitution that “conservatives” still worship. Every other democracy in the world has taken the British systems as a model (even Iraq and Israel); the eliminated slavery in the whole Empire without firing a shot.
     
    On the other hand, the slave-owners were very well compensated:

    The British government paid out £20m to compensate some 3,000 families that owned slaves for the loss of their "property" when slave-ownership was abolished in Britain's colonies in 1833. This figure represented a staggering 40 per cent of the Treasury's annual spending budget and, in today's terms, calculated as wage values, equates to around £16.5bn.

    A total of £10m went to slave-owning families in the Caribbean and Africa, while the other half went to absentee owners living in Britain. The biggest single payout went to James Blair (no relation to Orwell), an MP who had homes in Marylebone, central London, and Scotland. He was awarded £83,530, the equivalent of £65m today, for 1,598 slaves he owned on the plantation he had inherited in British Guyana.

    But this amount was dwarfed by the amount paid to John Gladstone, the father of 19th-century prime minister William Gladstone. He received £106,769 (modern equivalent £83m) for the 2,508 slaves he owned across nine plantations. His son, who served as prime minister four times during his 60-year career, was heavily involved in his father's claim.
     
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britains-colonial-shame-slave-owners-given-huge-payouts-after-abolition-8508358.html


    Really,in terms of ending slavery, the key difference between the USA and the British Empire involved the simple fact that Britain's slaves were concentrated in places like Jamaica and Barbados, not mainland Britain.
    , @Stan Adams
    @Anon

    How are the white folks in Commonwealth countries Zimbabwe (nee Rhodesia) and South Africa faring these days?

    (Okay, so Zimbabwe is no longer part of the Commonwealth.)

    Or, for that matter, in parts of Britain that are occupied by foreign invaders?

    Spit on our Constitution all you want, but if it weren't for the Electoral College, Hillary Clinton would be president-elect right now.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Bill Jones
    @Anon

    It really is time to end the nonsense that the Civil War was about slavery.
    It wasn't.
    Read Lincolns First Inaugural address, the one they don't teach you at school. He's happy with slavery and threatens violence only if the Feds taxes aren't collected.

    "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."

    "The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere."

    http://www.bartleby.com/124/pr...

    Lincoln tripled the tariffs on imports.

    The South, as an agrarian economy was an importer of manufactured goods. the North not so. The South was forced to buy at higher prices from the North.

    Many of the South's export markets raised their tariffs in response thus making the exports less competitive.

    Read Thomas DiLorenzo for an antidote to the usual hagiography's of Lincoln.

    Start here.

    https://mises.org/library/linc...

  71. @syonredux

    “To ignore the fact that one of the oldest republics in the world was erected on a foundation of white supremacy, to pretend that the problems of a dual society are the same as the problems of unregulated capitalism, is to cover the sin of national plunder with the sin of national lying,” Coates writes.
     
    Multiculturalism!F*** that noise!In TNC-World, it's always 1933 (the era of the tyrant, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, father of the heinous sin of redlining), and America is a Black-and-White country...

    But what also has been notable is the reaction of like-minded readers to the piece, which took two years to complete. Everywhere he goes, Coates hears versions of the same plea: What about my group? What about Native Americans? What about Latino immigrants? What about me?
     
    Yeesh, people, where have you been? People with black bodies only care about things that involve Blackness. Heck, if you deleted the word "Black" from TNC's articles, they would be about 25% shorter....

    Coates’s accounting of his personal costs begins with the menace of West Baltimore, a place where young black men — such as himself — were ever at risk.
     
    Love the graceful elision there. At risk because of.....violent Black people? No, just at risk, you know, because of reasons......

    His father, Paul Coates, is a former Black Panther who chose a first name for him inspired by the ancient Egyptian word for Nubia. Its non-intuitive pronunciation—Ta-nuh-ha-see — and its unfamiliar spelling are the source of frequent errors. Coates delights in needling critics who misspell his name.
     
    OK........

    The elder Coates fathered seven children with four women. Ta-Nehisi lived with both his parents throughout his childhood. His father wanted all his kids to know one another, and so Ta-Nehisi says he lived in “various iterations with my brothers and sisters” over the years. “It was usually whoever was causing trouble,” he says. “That’s who came to live with us.”
     
    That's gotta be due to redlining......

    All the women in his father’s life played a role in raising him, Coates says, and he often spent time at his brothers’ and sisters’ homes. “I had a community, a village, as they say, around me,” he says.

    Asked whether there were tensions or jealousies among the women, Coates says, “maybe and probably,” but that wasn’t the sort of thing that he sensed as a child.
     
    MMMM, sounds very West African......

    What he did sense was a love of words. In the late 1970s, his father founded a small publishing house that he still runs, Black Classic Press. It specializes in republishing works of black authors that have gone out of print. “There were books everywhere,” Coates says. “There were books in our basement; there were books out in our garage. There were black books in our living room, black books in our bedroom, black books in the kitchen, black books. It was everywhere around me. . . . I was bathed in it. I couldn’t escape it.
     
    Nigel Tufnel:" It's like, how much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black."

    The world outside the family home came with its own inescapable realities. Tough guys “jumped me all the time,” Coates recalls. The worst was the time he was hit over the head with that metal trash can

     

    Years later, he learned that it was all because of redlining.....

    Replies: @Kyle McKenna, @ussr andy, @Amasius, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jus' Sayin'...

    “There were black books in our living room, black books in our bedroom, black books in the kitchen, black books. It was everywhere around me. . . . I was bathed in it. I couldn’t escape it.”

    All those books and he still doesn’t hasn’t heard of St. Augustine. You’d think that his father, a former Black Panther, would’ve latched on to the fact that the Bishop of Hippo resided in North Africa and that therefore, was probably a brother. What kind of father, a book publisher owner no less, doesn’t take the time to properly inform his kid that St. Augustine was one of them?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    “There were black books in our living room, black books in our bedroom, black books in the kitchen, black books. It was everywhere around me. . . . I was bathed in it. I couldn’t escape it.”

    All those books and he still doesn’t hasn’t heard of St. Augustine. You’d think that his father, a former Black Panther, would’ve latched on to the fact that the Bishop of Hippo resided in North Africa and that therefore, was probably a brother.
     
    Waddya mean, "probably a brother?" If you are descended from Africans, you are, ipso facto, Black. After all, who could be Blacker than Zidane:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinedine_Zidane
  72. @whorefinder
    The proclamation of low-IQ Ta-Nehehehesi Coates as an "intellectual" is hilarious, and seems a farcical combination of the Emperor's New Clothes, the crowning of a Down syndrome man as "King of Fools" during Mardi Gras, an updating of Tom Wolfe's Radical Chic for the 21st Century, and the Left doubling-down on the "I have a black friend!" mentality that led to 8 years of Obama destroying the Democrats.

    The only thing more hilarious is how the Left hasn't realized a big, central truth from the election: that very few people are listening to or taking seriously their organs of propaganda, the Corporate Media, anymore. As a result, these folks will be in absolute shock when Coates's books fail to sell as well as predicted, his writing doesn't save The Atlantic from dropping sales, and how most Americans, including black Americans, will not know or have heard his nonsense when asked about them---and how little dent his "arguments" (to use the term loosely) will impact national opinions. (Similar to how the Left is always shocked how Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have actual little pull over most blacks, and can't order them to stop rioting).

    And that's before we get into the hilarity of Coates's not-very-well-hidden massive insecurity at failing to become the violent, masculine black radical leader his father wanted, and instead becoming a mincing, weak, gentrified token black "thinker" for white lefties to coo over. Such a letdown for daddy.

    Seriously, if in a debate you wanted to upset Coates, throw him off his game, or just want to make him spazz out like a child, insinuating that Coates is a disappointment to his father or isn't very masculine will set him off like a rocket ship, and probably not only have him spitting and sputtering and threatening you (without meaning it), but also launch two-three articles by him attacking you/defending his masculinity. It would be child's play.

    Similar to how Ann Coulter and her fellow travelers on the right figured out that one of Keith Olbermann's massive insecurities (among his many) was about where he went to college, and so gently mocked him. Olbermann went on a child-tantrum tear, actually physically bringing his diploma out on live TV to lecture people for a full segment about how he really did go to a real Ivy league school, you guys!

    Olbermann's massive faux pas doing that --which in itself was mockable, and only highlighted his insecurity---was probably one of the final straws in pushing his psycho behavior into such a state that, later, not even MSNBC could tolerate his insecure psychosis.

    And so it should go with Coates.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @whorefinder, @Mr. Anon, @Clyde, @ic1000, @ben tillman, @Ragno, @Jim Don Bob, @Old Palo Altan

    Seriously, if in a debate you wanted to upset Coates, throw him off his game, or just want to make him spazz out like a child, insinuating that Coates is a disappointment to his father or isn’t very masculine will set him off like a rocket ship, and probably not only have him spitting and sputtering and threatening you (without meaning it), but also launch two-three articles by him attacking you/defending his masculinity. It would be child’s play.

    I recently explained the concept of “pressing someone’s buttons” to my five-year-old.

    I think he gets it.

  73. @whorefinder
    @Pandarus

    I predict at one point in the next decade a Leftist "intellectual" will declare---in all seriousness--- that s/he is smarter than St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Thomas Jefferson, or some other legendary Western traditional thinker---probably on Bill Maher's show, or on MSNBC/CNN/Fox during a talking heads segment. And then s/he will adamantly defend their declaration in articles in "serious" literature/newspapers---and other Leftist "intellectuals" will back them up (Dana Milbank, I'm looking at you for the toadying).

    In fact, much like goading Olbermann and Coates into their foolishness, we should be goading other Leftists intellectuals into doing this. It really wouldn't be hard at all; they already didain Western culture as well as anyone who can remotely be called a "dead white man" or who believes in traditional intellectualism. (Unless they start claiming the white man was secretly black, like blacks do with Jesus, Beethoven, and every Egyptian ruler).

    It's a hoot watching the Left prove everyday since Trump's emergence that it is the movement of the low-IQ but highly-credentialed and well-connected.

    Replies: @Bill B., @John Chard, @Ivy

    Noah Smith proclaimed Coates’ writing superior to that of Tolstoy on Twitter once, I believe.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @John Chard

    Here's what A.O. Scott has to say about TNC:


    New York Times film reviewer A.O. Scott tweeted: “ ‘Must read’ doesn’t even come close. This from @tanehisicoates is essential, like water or air.”
     
    I can think of a handful of human intellectual achievements that merit something like that level of praise: Darwin’s On the Origin of Species, Newton’s Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica , Kant’s Critique of Pure Reason, etc

    TNC’s emotional outbursts are not in the same category
  74. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Coates confessed that he didn’t know who Saint Augustine was, then charged ahead with the debate."

    And of course, Coates could always respond with, 'Ok, Jeffrey, let's see who's paying attention. Name Biggie and Tupac's backup members on their most famous raps. And also, name the top three beats on the Chronic Album. After all, the Chronic changed my whole world. What'd Bishop of Hippo ever do for me?'

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonitron3, @oh its just me too

    Tupac and Biggie aren’t known for their collaborations and I’m at a loss as to how you would name a beat.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Anonitron3

    but the question remains, name and identify who was Augustine of Hippo, and what major works he is associated with.

  75. I initially read the headline as comparing Tennessee Coates to Jeff Beck, and I was a bit confused.

  76. @whorefinder
    The proclamation of low-IQ Ta-Nehehehesi Coates as an "intellectual" is hilarious, and seems a farcical combination of the Emperor's New Clothes, the crowning of a Down syndrome man as "King of Fools" during Mardi Gras, an updating of Tom Wolfe's Radical Chic for the 21st Century, and the Left doubling-down on the "I have a black friend!" mentality that led to 8 years of Obama destroying the Democrats.

    The only thing more hilarious is how the Left hasn't realized a big, central truth from the election: that very few people are listening to or taking seriously their organs of propaganda, the Corporate Media, anymore. As a result, these folks will be in absolute shock when Coates's books fail to sell as well as predicted, his writing doesn't save The Atlantic from dropping sales, and how most Americans, including black Americans, will not know or have heard his nonsense when asked about them---and how little dent his "arguments" (to use the term loosely) will impact national opinions. (Similar to how the Left is always shocked how Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have actual little pull over most blacks, and can't order them to stop rioting).

    And that's before we get into the hilarity of Coates's not-very-well-hidden massive insecurity at failing to become the violent, masculine black radical leader his father wanted, and instead becoming a mincing, weak, gentrified token black "thinker" for white lefties to coo over. Such a letdown for daddy.

    Seriously, if in a debate you wanted to upset Coates, throw him off his game, or just want to make him spazz out like a child, insinuating that Coates is a disappointment to his father or isn't very masculine will set him off like a rocket ship, and probably not only have him spitting and sputtering and threatening you (without meaning it), but also launch two-three articles by him attacking you/defending his masculinity. It would be child's play.

    Similar to how Ann Coulter and her fellow travelers on the right figured out that one of Keith Olbermann's massive insecurities (among his many) was about where he went to college, and so gently mocked him. Olbermann went on a child-tantrum tear, actually physically bringing his diploma out on live TV to lecture people for a full segment about how he really did go to a real Ivy league school, you guys!

    Olbermann's massive faux pas doing that --which in itself was mockable, and only highlighted his insecurity---was probably one of the final straws in pushing his psycho behavior into such a state that, later, not even MSNBC could tolerate his insecure psychosis.

    And so it should go with Coates.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @whorefinder, @Mr. Anon, @Clyde, @ic1000, @ben tillman, @Ragno, @Jim Don Bob, @Old Palo Altan

    The proclamation of low-IQ Ta-Nehehehesi Coates as an “intellectual” is hilarious, and seems a farcical combination of the Emperor’s New Clothes, the crowning of a Down syndrome man as “King of Fools” during Mardi Gras, an updating of Tom Wolfe’s Radical Chic for the 21st Century, and the Left doubling-down on the “I have a black friend!” mentality that led to 8 years of Obama destroying the Democrats.

    Wow. That this graf *isn’t* kicking off an Atlantic profile of America’s, Uhm, You Know, Deffest Intellectual N’ Shit will do nicely as an accidental indictment of modern American cultural life.

    He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is.

    Which at least explains why he’s the go-to Deep Thinker for men with husbands – America’s newest tastemakers!

  77. @Amasius
    @syonredux

    It's simply offensive to have it spelled "Ta-Nehisi" and then make us say "Ta-NaHAsi." It's a crime against language and literacy. It makes no sense on any level. You pronounce "i" as "ah," like a Southern accent perhaps (it's already dumb but I'm being generous), but then you have another "i" in the same name that you say as "ee." And you already have an "a" in the first syllable which you pronounce as "ah." Why the hell isn't it spelled Ta-Nahasi? It's all just plain stupid, and we're forced to deal with it because they keep pushing this cretin on us.

    I thought Dwyane [sic] Wade and Isiah [sic] Thomas were bad...

    Replies: @415 reasons, @Jack D

    You also forgot to mention the meaningless hyphen in the wrong place. If you are offended then you’ve fallen for his father’s shtick – it was meant to be offensive to white people. That was the whole point.

    Personally I think it is amusing. We take these things so seriously now. If you read 19th century coverage of black culture in the mainstream American press (even the Northern press) they took it all very tongue in cheek, as if they were writing about people who were putting on airs, pretending to be smarter and more civilized than they really were. But now we have to pretend to deeply RESPECT the phony invented black culture with phony made up names with nonsensical spellings and made up holidays like Kwanzaa (which BTW, seems to be fading, thank God). Don’t read too deeply into Ta-Nehisi – it’s a stupid made up name with stupid made up spelling made up by a stupid person so naturally it doesn’t adhere to any internally consistent rules of spelling. Do you think Coates, Sr. is Noah Webster?

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    @Jack D

    So right Jack D.
    I spend a lot of time using newspapers.com and similar sites, and one of the unexpected bonuses of my genealogical obsession is to read the articles on the same page as the obituary or wedding announcement or whatever of interest to me. The accounts of the doings of the Negro population (no "blacks" to be seen) are always written with either patient amusement at their stupidities, or enraged disgust at their crimes.
    You write "even the Northern press". In my experience the Southern papers are usually more respectful, particularly of their religious doings ("Negro Ministers meet in conclave in Tuscaloosa") than are those of the North, who write from a perspective of open-mouthed disbelief in the face of what for them was a new phenomenon.

    , @Peripatetic commenter
    @Jack D


    Do you think Coates, Sr. is Noah Webster?
     
    Speaking of Noah Webster, there are stupid people who author changes on Wikipedia who claim that Noah Websters Blue-Backed Speller gave Americans "a secular catechism to the nation-state."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster

    However, anyone who actually looked at the Blue-Backed Speller and compared it with what came before would realize that Webster was applying a very good pedagogic principle and he most definitely was not secular. He introduced biblically-derived words later in the Blue-Backed Speller when larger words were called for. (Indeed, the first line of the first table in the Blue-Backed Speller should have been a clue.)

    Perhaps Steve should write an article about it.

  78. @Langley
    I reprinted the my comment below from your previous thread.

    Wow!
    What does that say about the folks who award MacArthur Fellowships to people?

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/22/the-2016-macarthur-genius-grants-are-some-sick-joke/

    Replies: @wren, @TheJester

    Are you sure that wasn’t the Darwin Award?

  79. @Kek Disciple
    Serious question: does Ta-Nehisi understand he is being used to play the role of 'serious' Black Intellectual in a similar way to how Neal Degrasse Tyson plays the role of 'superstar' Black Scientist?

    And that those frantically trying to convince the public that both are geniuses can't possibly think either one is remotely above average?

    But are instead using both to accomplish other political goals?

    Nah.

    He's from the Obama school, confusing affirmative action for accomplishment.

    Replies: @Jack D

    American blacks may be lacking in many things but one thing they are not lacking in is self-esteem, of the “we wuz kangs” variety. So Coates probably thinks that he is UNDERrated as intellectual due to racism.

    It’s interesting to contrast Coates types with Asians (especially Japanese) who are taught never to brag (the blade of grass that sticks its head up gets its head cut off). So if you see an interview with a Japanese Nobel Prize winner, they are always self-effacing to a fault. Someone who has achieved real scientific and intellectual breakthroughs will say, ” I didn’t really accomplish very much, I don’t know why I am being honored”, etc. It’s not even false modesty or humblebragging – it is deeply engrained in their culture never to be satisfied with yourself so that you keep pushing to accomplish more.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Jack D

    "American blacks may be lacking in many things but one thing they are not lacking in is self-esteem,"

    Most Black Americans believe they are a perfect 10 in the looks department.

  80. @Alec Leamas
    I'm opposed to reparations payments (to the extent that reparations payments haven't been paid in disguise already) for all of the good and considered reasons I'd imagine the rest of the sane population is.

    But it would sort of be funny in a "dog that caught the car" sort of way if they ever got a substantial one time cash payment. In a few months blacks would be back where they were, while merchants would happily sell rims and grills and sundry ghetto status symbols and make obscene killings. Then MacArthur Genius grant recipients would have to go back to the drawing board and construct further apologies and arguments for the next round of reparations payments. You can probably already hear Coates reversing his former statements and claim that the reparations payment received was a mere "down payment" against a debt much larger than previously imagined.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Desiderius

    I’m opposed to reparations payments

    If they insist on reparations for white male victims of affirmative action, I might be convinced.

    • Replies: @Adar.
    @Desiderius

    "I’m opposed to reparations payments"

    "If they insist on reparations for white male victims of affirmative action, I might be convinced."

    Within one year 80 % of the money will be back in the hands of whitey again anyhow.

  81. Ta-Nehisi Coates has public visibility and a few solid affirmative action venues in academia for the same reason that Sonia Sotomayor in on the Supreme Court.

    By described in Sonia’s biographies, she was awarded an full AA scholarship to Princeton even though she did not do well on the SATs and struggled to get through the curriculum. Then, she got her AA admission to Yale law school where she was also not considered one of the brightest lights, followed by her AA selection for successive judicial appointments ending in her appointment to the Supreme Court. The best one could say about Sonia is that she was a hard worker … a very hard worker.

    Sonia’s intellectual and judicial deficit was made most clear when she bragged that, in her judicial decisions, her gender and ethnicity guided her.

    As I recall, Michelle Obama had a similar profile … being Black and available just as Sonia was Hispanic and available. However, there was a difference. Michelle’s failed attempts to function at top-name law firms proved incompatible with AA-level skills. Evidently, AA-level skills are acceptable for appointment to the Supreme Court.

    I’m reminded of Nixon’s failed 1970 nomination of G. Harrold Carswell to the Supreme Court. In his defense, U.S. Senator Roman Hruska, a Nebraska Republican, argued:

    “Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren’t they, and a little chance? We can’t have all Brandeises, Frankfurters and Cardozos.”

    Hruska finally got his wish with Justice Sonia Sotomayor … someone mediocre and not ashamed to brag about it. Look where affirmative action got her! What could possibly be wrong with that? Besides, she was the first Hispanic appointed to the Court. That’s all that mattered.

    Note: Benjamin Nathan Cardozo, appointed to the Supreme Court in 1932, was at the time considered a Sephardic Jew with Portuguese rather than Hispanic ethnicity. The latter term was not in vogue then, so, I guess, Sonia Sotomayor can still be acclaimed as the first Hispanic justice propelled to the top through a series of affirmative action appointments.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Sotomayor
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Harrold_Carswell
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_N._Cardozo

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @TheJester

    What is interesting is that you shouldn't need to be "brilliant" in any sense to exercise judicial review with a written Constitution such as ours and arrive at the correct conclusion. The gaps can be filled with State or Federal legislation and in more extraordinary cases the Amendments process. As a matter of fact a certain mediocrity could be helpful and useful on the high court insofar as it would be the source of humility and experience in reaching the limitations of one's intellect and resolving to demur to the democratic processes set forth in the Constitution. It's only when a Court arrogates to itself the role of Philosopher Kings that a justice would need or require significantly superior raw intelligence relative to the community of lawyers at large. Protagoras and Gorgias were nothing if not intelligent.

    The loss of Scalia is notable for the panache of his opinions, but this intelligence and verbal acuity wasn't required to arrive at the correct result.

    The problem with Wise Latina isn't necessarily that she's mediocre, it's that her inability to perform at the level of her peers in the institutions she's attended and judicial offices she's held causes dissonance that is resolved by her concluding that her peers' performance is the product of cultural differences rather than superior raw intelligence. As a result, she feels the need and the right to pepper her work with the extra "wisdom" arising from her life as a Latina.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @ben tillman

    , @Marat
    @TheJester

    Mentioning awareness of gender and ethnicity in the context of judicial decisions sounds quite distracting. Wouldn't it be difficult to concentrate on the facts at hand if images of racism and sexism dance in one's mind? In fact, it sounds like an unintentional admission of inability to do the job.

    My hairdo and choice of designer spectacles affect my mood and therefore my judgement on any given day. But at least I'm aware of it. Is that good enough?

    , @ben tillman
    @TheJester


    “Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren’t they, and a little chance? We can’t have all Brandeises, Frankfurters and Cardozos.”

    Hruska finally got his wish with Justice Sonia Sotomayor … someone mediocre and not ashamed to brag about it.
     

    Are you sure Hruska wasn't making an ethnically charged comment in response to an ethnic dimension present in the objections to Carswell?

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @whorefinder
    @TheJester

    A major problem with AA is that the vast majority of AA recipients aren't shamed and made to feel inferior for their free rides. In fact, most feel like they "earned" their spots and are even more brilliant than the whiteys who get there on merit. Despite Hollywood propaganda, no one walks around telling AA hires and AA students they only got there due to AA---because such a speech would be social and career suicide, and would likely cause a mass of Lefty thugs to attack you physically.

    It's illogical, but true: AA folks think they are more capable than those who earned it on merit.

    This is a Leftist psychological problem I note a lot: they mistake credentialization/position for capability. Many leftists will actually tout the honorary degrees a leftist has won as somehow proof that the degrees reflect accomplishment. Sounds crazy, but true. This also relates to Olbermann's obsession with his credentials: as a Leftist, he literally believes that having an Ivy-league degree means he's better than you, and thus when Coulter gently mocked his as not being real, he went ballistic, because, in his mind, it removed all his abilities and capabilities and accomplishments.

    These folks are sick.

    Replies: @Forbes

  82. @whorefinder
    The proclamation of low-IQ Ta-Nehehehesi Coates as an "intellectual" is hilarious, and seems a farcical combination of the Emperor's New Clothes, the crowning of a Down syndrome man as "King of Fools" during Mardi Gras, an updating of Tom Wolfe's Radical Chic for the 21st Century, and the Left doubling-down on the "I have a black friend!" mentality that led to 8 years of Obama destroying the Democrats.

    The only thing more hilarious is how the Left hasn't realized a big, central truth from the election: that very few people are listening to or taking seriously their organs of propaganda, the Corporate Media, anymore. As a result, these folks will be in absolute shock when Coates's books fail to sell as well as predicted, his writing doesn't save The Atlantic from dropping sales, and how most Americans, including black Americans, will not know or have heard his nonsense when asked about them---and how little dent his "arguments" (to use the term loosely) will impact national opinions. (Similar to how the Left is always shocked how Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have actual little pull over most blacks, and can't order them to stop rioting).

    And that's before we get into the hilarity of Coates's not-very-well-hidden massive insecurity at failing to become the violent, masculine black radical leader his father wanted, and instead becoming a mincing, weak, gentrified token black "thinker" for white lefties to coo over. Such a letdown for daddy.

    Seriously, if in a debate you wanted to upset Coates, throw him off his game, or just want to make him spazz out like a child, insinuating that Coates is a disappointment to his father or isn't very masculine will set him off like a rocket ship, and probably not only have him spitting and sputtering and threatening you (without meaning it), but also launch two-three articles by him attacking you/defending his masculinity. It would be child's play.

    Similar to how Ann Coulter and her fellow travelers on the right figured out that one of Keith Olbermann's massive insecurities (among his many) was about where he went to college, and so gently mocked him. Olbermann went on a child-tantrum tear, actually physically bringing his diploma out on live TV to lecture people for a full segment about how he really did go to a real Ivy league school, you guys!

    Olbermann's massive faux pas doing that --which in itself was mockable, and only highlighted his insecurity---was probably one of the final straws in pushing his psycho behavior into such a state that, later, not even MSNBC could tolerate his insecure psychosis.

    And so it should go with Coates.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @whorefinder, @Mr. Anon, @Clyde, @ic1000, @ben tillman, @Ragno, @Jim Don Bob, @Old Palo Altan

    This. Well said.

  83. @Bill B.
    @Steve in Greensboro

    A Streetcar named De-surly?

    Replies: @Kylie

    A Street Cred Named Aspire

    • LOL: Ivy
  84. When trans-racial Michael Jackson grabbed his crotch, was it a ‘black body’ or white body?

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1993-02-10/news/1993041236_1_astaire-crotch-peg-leg-bates

  85. @Anonymous
    Since i dont watch tv or talk to anyone who knows, can someone help me with a pronunciation of mr coates full name? Thanks in advance

    Replies: @Jack D, @Kylie

    “Since i dont watch tv or talk to anyone who knows, can someone help me with a pronunciation of mr coates full name? Thanks in advance”

    Jee-nee-us Tee Cotes

  86. Yes, unique because of our STUPID Constitution that “conservatives” still worship. Every other democracy in the world has taken the British systems as a model (even Iraq and Israel); the eliminated slavery in the whole Empire without firing a shot.

    I’m pretty sure the Constitution didn’t invade and burn Dixie.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Svigor


    I’m pretty sure the Constitution didn’t invade and burn Dixie.
     
    On the other hand, the Constitution didn't kill tens of thousands of people in defense of chattel slavery.....
    , @Opinionator
    @Svigor

    Lincoln's aggression against the South was in violation of the Constitution.

    Replies: @syonredux

  87. @CCZ
    @eric

    I was very recently told by a 60 year old white female college educated, university employed, suburban living, pro-social justice and anti-white racism (self-described), liberal Unitarian-Universalist church congregant that young black male rap, guns, drug, violence “culture” was the product / result of “white supremacy” and “systematic racism.” And she was not alone in expressing that belief. That ended that “conversation” on the nature of contemporary race relations.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Paco Wové

    Funny, because as a Unitarian Universalist I’d imagine she’d find notions of the existence of the Devil ridiculous, but all she’s done is swapped one for another. The blacks are embodied by Flip Wilson.

  88. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @syonredux

    "There were black books in our living room, black books in our bedroom, black books in the kitchen, black books. It was everywhere around me. . . . I was bathed in it. I couldn’t escape it.”

    All those books and he still doesn't hasn't heard of St. Augustine. You'd think that his father, a former Black Panther, would've latched on to the fact that the Bishop of Hippo resided in North Africa and that therefore, was probably a brother. What kind of father, a book publisher owner no less, doesn't take the time to properly inform his kid that St. Augustine was one of them?

    Replies: @syonredux

    “There were black books in our living room, black books in our bedroom, black books in the kitchen, black books. It was everywhere around me. . . . I was bathed in it. I couldn’t escape it.”

    All those books and he still doesn’t hasn’t heard of St. Augustine. You’d think that his father, a former Black Panther, would’ve latched on to the fact that the Bishop of Hippo resided in North Africa and that therefore, was probably a brother.

    Waddya mean, “probably a brother?” If you are descended from Africans, you are, ipso facto, Black. After all, who could be Blacker than Zidane:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinedine_Zidane

  89. @Svigor

    Yes, unique because of our STUPID Constitution that “conservatives” still worship. Every other democracy in the world has taken the British systems as a model (even Iraq and Israel); the eliminated slavery in the whole Empire without firing a shot.
     
    I'm pretty sure the Constitution didn't invade and burn Dixie.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Opinionator

    I’m pretty sure the Constitution didn’t invade and burn Dixie.

    On the other hand, the Constitution didn’t kill tens of thousands of people in defense of chattel slavery…..

  90. ‘God Made Me Bulletproof,’ Atlanta Rapper Tweets After He’s Shot Again

    The rapper claims he’s been shot multiple times during the course of his life, including once in the head. Mazi said in an interview with DJ Smallz Eyes posted to YouTube in June that he had been shot 10 previous times.

    Hours after the shooting Yung Mazi tweeted, “God made me bulletproof.”

    In a roundabout sort of way, maybe. See, God made White men, and White men made surgery (and firearms, and recording technology, and Twitter, and…)…

    Really won’t be surprised to discover that one of the brothas took this as a challenge, and proved him wrong.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @Svigor

    I think on the lower end of the IQ distribution in American blacks there is a disbelief in the eternity of bodily death together with vestigial paganism surviving to this day from the syncretism of African folk religions and Christianity (i.e. voodoo) that yields this sort of nonchalance about gunplay and deadly "beefs" about picayune offenses against one's respect. Christianity is a sort of form of particularly powerful magic that if practiced correctly can ward off flying lead bullets and/or make them less powerful.

    The other day I saw something or other in which blacks from Chicago were being interviewed about the gunplay and violence there and one said that people act like they're existing in a videogame and don't believe that when you're dead you stay dead. He's clearly if unwittingly drawing a conclusion that the ideation of a game like Grand Theft Auto makes it impossible for low IQ blacks to maintain a boundary between fantasy and reality. I imagine Gangsta Rap has had a similar effect.

  91. @TheJester
    Ta-Nehisi Coates has public visibility and a few solid affirmative action venues in academia for the same reason that Sonia Sotomayor in on the Supreme Court.

    By described in Sonia's biographies, she was awarded an full AA scholarship to Princeton even though she did not do well on the SATs and struggled to get through the curriculum. Then, she got her AA admission to Yale law school where she was also not considered one of the brightest lights, followed by her AA selection for successive judicial appointments ending in her appointment to the Supreme Court. The best one could say about Sonia is that she was a hard worker ... a very hard worker.

    Sonia's intellectual and judicial deficit was made most clear when she bragged that, in her judicial decisions, her gender and ethnicity guided her.

    As I recall, Michelle Obama had a similar profile ... being Black and available just as Sonia was Hispanic and available. However, there was a difference. Michelle's failed attempts to function at top-name law firms proved incompatible with AA-level skills. Evidently, AA-level skills are acceptable for appointment to the Supreme Court.

    I'm reminded of Nixon's failed 1970 nomination of G. Harrold Carswell to the Supreme Court. In his defense, U.S. Senator Roman Hruska, a Nebraska Republican, argued:


    "Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they, and a little chance? We can't have all Brandeises, Frankfurters and Cardozos."
     
    Hruska finally got his wish with Justice Sonia Sotomayor ... someone mediocre and not ashamed to brag about it. Look where affirmative action got her! What could possibly be wrong with that? Besides, she was the first Hispanic appointed to the Court. That's all that mattered.

    Note: Benjamin Nathan Cardozo, appointed to the Supreme Court in 1932, was at the time considered a Sephardic Jew with Portuguese rather than Hispanic ethnicity. The latter term was not in vogue then, so, I guess, Sonia Sotomayor can still be acclaimed as the first Hispanic justice propelled to the top through a series of affirmative action appointments.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Sotomayor
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Harrold_Carswell
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_N._Cardozo

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Marat, @ben tillman, @whorefinder

    What is interesting is that you shouldn’t need to be “brilliant” in any sense to exercise judicial review with a written Constitution such as ours and arrive at the correct conclusion. The gaps can be filled with State or Federal legislation and in more extraordinary cases the Amendments process. As a matter of fact a certain mediocrity could be helpful and useful on the high court insofar as it would be the source of humility and experience in reaching the limitations of one’s intellect and resolving to demur to the democratic processes set forth in the Constitution. It’s only when a Court arrogates to itself the role of Philosopher Kings that a justice would need or require significantly superior raw intelligence relative to the community of lawyers at large. Protagoras and Gorgias were nothing if not intelligent.

    The loss of Scalia is notable for the panache of his opinions, but this intelligence and verbal acuity wasn’t required to arrive at the correct result.

    The problem with Wise Latina isn’t necessarily that she’s mediocre, it’s that her inability to perform at the level of her peers in the institutions she’s attended and judicial offices she’s held causes dissonance that is resolved by her concluding that her peers’ performance is the product of cultural differences rather than superior raw intelligence. As a result, she feels the need and the right to pepper her work with the extra “wisdom” arising from her life as a Latina.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Alec Leamas

    I'm still surprised that the Wide Latina wasn't called on being a racist sexist pos.

    , @ben tillman
    @Alec Leamas


    What is interesting is that you shouldn’t need to be “brilliant” in any sense to exercise judicial review with a written Constitution such as ours and arrive at the correct conclusion. . . . It’s only when a Court arrogates to itself the role of Philosopher Kings that a justice would need or require significantly superior raw intelligence relative to the community of lawyers at large.
     
    Hardly. The Supreme Court usually gets non-ideological stuff like bankruptcy law correct, but even there one can see what happens when the Justices aren't all that smart. If four justices can get Ron Pair wrong, how bad would things be if our appellate courts were staffed with average lawyers? There is no law of diminishing returns when it comes to intelligence and judging; in fact the opposite is true.

    https://business-finance-restructuring.weil.com/throwback-thursday/u-s-v-ron-pair-enters/

    Although I have to say the list of dissenters suggests an ideological basis for the dissent even on the apparently non-ideological issue in Ron Pair

    Replies: @Opinionator

  92. @Anon
    @J1234

    "Every descendant of black slaves should pay money to the descendants of Union soldiers who died in battle (white and black), because the cost of black emancipation in the US was unique to the US – a price not paid in any other slave holding country in the New World."

    Yes, unique because of our STUPID Constitution that "conservatives" still worship. Every other democracy in the world has taken the British systems as a model (even Iraq and Israel); the eliminated slavery in the whole Empire without firing a shot.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Stan Adams, @Bill Jones

    Yes, unique because of our STUPID Constitution that “conservatives” still worship. Every other democracy in the world has taken the British systems as a model (even Iraq and Israel); the eliminated slavery in the whole Empire without firing a shot.

    On the other hand, the slave-owners were very well compensated:

    The British government paid out £20m to compensate some 3,000 families that owned slaves for the loss of their “property” when slave-ownership was abolished in Britain’s colonies in 1833. This figure represented a staggering 40 per cent of the Treasury’s annual spending budget and, in today’s terms, calculated as wage values, equates to around £16.5bn.

    A total of £10m went to slave-owning families in the Caribbean and Africa, while the other half went to absentee owners living in Britain. The biggest single payout went to James Blair (no relation to Orwell), an MP who had homes in Marylebone, central London, and Scotland. He was awarded £83,530, the equivalent of £65m today, for 1,598 slaves he owned on the plantation he had inherited in British Guyana.

    But this amount was dwarfed by the amount paid to John Gladstone, the father of 19th-century prime minister William Gladstone. He received £106,769 (modern equivalent £83m) for the 2,508 slaves he owned across nine plantations. His son, who served as prime minister four times during his 60-year career, was heavily involved in his father’s claim.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britains-colonial-shame-slave-owners-given-huge-payouts-after-abolition-8508358.html

    Really,in terms of ending slavery, the key difference between the USA and the British Empire involved the simple fact that Britain’s slaves were concentrated in places like Jamaica and Barbados, not mainland Britain.

  93. @John Chard
    @whorefinder

    Noah Smith proclaimed Coates' writing superior to that of Tolstoy on Twitter once, I believe.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Here’s what A.O. Scott has to say about TNC:

    New York Times film reviewer A.O. Scott tweeted: “ ‘Must read’ doesn’t even come close. This from @tanehisicoates is essential, like water or air.”

    I can think of a handful of human intellectual achievements that merit something like that level of praise: Darwin’s On the Origin of Species, Newton’s Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica , Kant’s Critique of Pure Reason, etc

    TNC’s emotional outbursts are not in the same category

  94. @Anon
    @J1234

    "Every descendant of black slaves should pay money to the descendants of Union soldiers who died in battle (white and black), because the cost of black emancipation in the US was unique to the US – a price not paid in any other slave holding country in the New World."

    Yes, unique because of our STUPID Constitution that "conservatives" still worship. Every other democracy in the world has taken the British systems as a model (even Iraq and Israel); the eliminated slavery in the whole Empire without firing a shot.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Stan Adams, @Bill Jones

    How are the white folks in Commonwealth countries Zimbabwe (nee Rhodesia) and South Africa faring these days?

    (Okay, so Zimbabwe is no longer part of the Commonwealth.)

    Or, for that matter, in parts of Britain that are occupied by foreign invaders?

    Spit on our Constitution all you want, but if it weren’t for the Electoral College, Hillary Clinton would be president-elect right now.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Stan Adams


    How are the white folks in Commonwealth countries Zimbabwe (nee Rhodesia) and South Africa faring these days?
     
    If I were Trump, I would allow unlimited immigration to the USA by White South Africans.
  95. @Anon
    @syonredux

    "All in all, it’s pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC. At least Baldwin could always fall back on the language of the King James Bible. TNC, in contrast, can only deploy the mind-numbing vocabulary of the post-modern academy…."

    True, but that's because they took your advice and got rid of all da fegz. Now you complain?

    Replies: @syonredux

    “All in all, it’s pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC. At least Baldwin could always fall back on the language of the King James Bible. TNC, in contrast, can only deploy the mind-numbing vocabulary of the post-modern academy….”

    True, but that’s because they took your advice and got rid of all da fegz. Now you complain?

    Far from it, dear fellow. I always try to encourage sodomitical practices among our Black brethren. If nothing else, it might at least lower their TFR…..

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @syonredux

    "I always try to encourage sodomitical practices among our Black brethren. If nothing else, it might at least lower their TFR….."

    So when their HIV becomes full-blown AIDS, we taxpayers can foot the bill for their treatment?

    No, thanks. More time at the range for black shooters might be a better option.

    Replies: @syonredux

  96. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I used to lurk TNC’s erstwhile “Horde” comment section at the Atlantic. TNC was going to visit DC and asked the commenters where to get his hair cut. Some hapless goof didn’t get the bliggity-black hints and recommended the Hair Cuttery chain. Hilarity ensued.

    TNC had his own awkward Hair Cuttery moment in a later post when his usually fawning commenters expressed alarmed bewilderment when he revealed ignorance of Simon and Garfunkel and “The Sound of Silence.” (Tried to find the thread, to no avail.) IIRC he made a defense similar to your parodic quote.

    Replies: @Arclight

    I can sort of see how Mr. Coates has a somewhat elevated view of himself and his writing after having a loyal group of lickspittles like the “Horde” who did nothing but rhapsodize about his genius in the comments to everything he wrote. If any one is unclear as to what the term “epistemic closure” means, just read a Coates column and then all the responses from his followers.

    One of the reasons it must sort of suck to be a black person of above average ability is the obsequious way goodwhites fawn over your every move or utterance. I would think that’s more insulting than just being ignored, although obviously there are people who enjoy the attention and ego stroking like Mr. Coates. It might be better to be a gifted athlete where black excellence is expected and people of all stripes feel free to offer constructive criticism of your play as opposed to trying to operate in the intellectual realm where your ripoff of James Baldwin is praised as “essential, like water or air” by the NYT.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Arclight

    "One of the reasons it must sort of suck to be a black person of above average ability is the obsequious way goodwhites fawn over your every move or utterance. I would think that’s more insulting than just being ignored, although obviously there are people who enjoy the attention and ego stroking like Mr. Coates."

    Don't tell me, let me guess. You're white or Asian.

    Blacks of above average ability (relative to other blacks) don't regard goodwhites fawning over their every move or utterances as obsequious. They see it as their just due. Blacks generally find being ignored very insulting and much prefer being fawned over.

    I continually marvel at the number of highly intelligent commenters here who attribute typically white attitudes and responses to blacks.

    Replies: @Arclight

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Arclight


    One of the reasons it must sort of suck to be a black person of above average ability is the obsequious way goodwhites fawn over your every move or utterance. I would think that’s more insulting than just being ignored, although obviously there are people who enjoy the attention and ego stroking like Mr. Coates.
     
    My personal theory is that TNC, intellectually and emotionally thin-skinned enough to ban (often through zealous surrogate mods) any race realist talk in his comment section, also began to rue the diminishing emotional returns of sermonizing to white liberal virtue-signaling suckups, and became angrier over time.

    He realized that amongst (liberal) whites, he would always be something of a fetish/totem, and he’s ‘woke’ enough to catch that condescending vibe wherever he goes. Perhaps book royalties and “genius” grants bring some lukewarm comfort.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Clyde

  97. Could someone please remind Mr. Coates that reparations for slavery were already paid with the lives of over 700,000 dead in the Civil War. Those dead, for the most part, have no descendants to clamor for payments for the wrong done to them.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Henry A


    Could someone please remind Mr. Coates that reparations for slavery were already paid with the lives of over 700,000 dead in the Civil War. Those dead, for the most part, have no descendants to clamor for payments for the wrong done to them.
     
    Reparations for slavery are old hat. TNC wants reparations for redlining.
  98. @Svigor

    I predict at one point in the next decade a Leftist “intellectual” will declare—in all seriousness— that s/he is smarter than St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Thomas Jefferson, or some other legendary Western traditional thinker—probably on Bill Maher’s show, or on MSNBC/CNN/Fox during a talking heads segment. And then s/he will adamantly defend their declaration in articles in “serious” literature/newspapers—and other Leftist “intellectuals” will back them up (Dana Milbank, I’m looking at you for the toadying).
     
    "Who don't like my dick in the butter tray?" is ebonics for, "behold, the emperor's new clothes!"

    Tennessee Coates. Doesn’t that roll off the tongue more easily?
     
    I've tried pushing this one, but so far no dice.

    That’s called “flip flopping.” At least when you’re talking about Trump.

    Of course, I’ve flip flopped on reparations, too: Every descendant of black slaves should pay money to the descendants of Union soldiers who died in battle (white and black), because the cost of black emancipation in the US was unique to the US – a price not paid in any other slave holding country in the New World.
     
    Better yet, paid from Yankeeland to Dixie, for getting everything wrong.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Better yet, paid from Yankeeland to Dixie, for getting everything wrong.

    Dunno. The South did a lot of stupid stuff. For example, South Carolina alone imported approx 40,000 slaves during the period 1803-1807. In 1860, Slaves made up 57% of the total population of South Carolina:

    http://www.civil-war.net/pages/1860_census.html

    Talk about suicidal behavior…..

  99. @Henry A
    Could someone please remind Mr. Coates that reparations for slavery were already paid with the lives of over 700,000 dead in the Civil War. Those dead, for the most part, have no descendants to clamor for payments for the wrong done to them.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Could someone please remind Mr. Coates that reparations for slavery were already paid with the lives of over 700,000 dead in the Civil War. Those dead, for the most part, have no descendants to clamor for payments for the wrong done to them.

    Reparations for slavery are old hat. TNC wants reparations for redlining.

  100. @Stan Adams
    @Anon

    How are the white folks in Commonwealth countries Zimbabwe (nee Rhodesia) and South Africa faring these days?

    (Okay, so Zimbabwe is no longer part of the Commonwealth.)

    Or, for that matter, in parts of Britain that are occupied by foreign invaders?

    Spit on our Constitution all you want, but if it weren't for the Electoral College, Hillary Clinton would be president-elect right now.

    Replies: @syonredux

    How are the white folks in Commonwealth countries Zimbabwe (nee Rhodesia) and South Africa faring these days?

    If I were Trump, I would allow unlimited immigration to the USA by White South Africans.

  101. @johnmark7
    What about reparations for descendants of all the white slaves brought to America against their will (as in kidnapped, sold as indentured, and so on) ?

    A lot of white slaves escaped their servitude (being white they could blend into the general population) and many more died from overwork, exposure to disease, and mistreatment, but may have had offspring -- because their white masters raped them willy nilly. (White slaves were considered less valuable than the later black chattel slaves and set to more life sapping work.

    And, of course, New England was built by white slaves!!!! Blacks couldn't survive there. White slaves built New England, because, as we all know, anywhere there are slaves, they did all the building and creating. Where's the acknowledgement for them?

    Replies: @Adar.

    “many more died from overwork, exposure to disease, and mistreatment,”

    MOST people from “that period” died from disease. Life was short. Indentured servitude was so exceptionally brutal that a major point in most of the contracts with the master it had to be decided how many TIMES PER WEEK an indentured servant could be fed Atlantic salmon!!

    In most places indentured servants got land and the right to vote when completing their period of servitude [7 years mostly].

  102. @Svigor
    ‘God Made Me Bulletproof,’ Atlanta Rapper Tweets After He’s Shot Again

    The rapper claims he’s been shot multiple times during the course of his life, including once in the head. Mazi said in an interview with DJ Smallz Eyes posted to YouTube in June that he had been shot 10 previous times.
     

    Hours after the shooting Yung Mazi tweeted, “God made me bulletproof.”
     
    In a roundabout sort of way, maybe. See, God made White men, and White men made surgery (and firearms, and recording technology, and Twitter, and...)...

    Really won't be surprised to discover that one of the brothas took this as a challenge, and proved him wrong.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas

    I think on the lower end of the IQ distribution in American blacks there is a disbelief in the eternity of bodily death together with vestigial paganism surviving to this day from the syncretism of African folk religions and Christianity (i.e. voodoo) that yields this sort of nonchalance about gunplay and deadly “beefs” about picayune offenses against one’s respect. Christianity is a sort of form of particularly powerful magic that if practiced correctly can ward off flying lead bullets and/or make them less powerful.

    The other day I saw something or other in which blacks from Chicago were being interviewed about the gunplay and violence there and one said that people act like they’re existing in a videogame and don’t believe that when you’re dead you stay dead. He’s clearly if unwittingly drawing a conclusion that the ideation of a game like Grand Theft Auto makes it impossible for low IQ blacks to maintain a boundary between fantasy and reality. I imagine Gangsta Rap has had a similar effect.

  103. @Desiderius
    @Alec Leamas


    I’m opposed to reparations payments
     
    If they insist on reparations for white male victims of affirmative action, I might be convinced.

    Replies: @Adar.

    “I’m opposed to reparations payments”

    “If they insist on reparations for white male victims of affirmative action, I might be convinced.”

    Within one year 80 % of the money will be back in the hands of whitey again anyhow.

  104. @Svigor

    Yes, unique because of our STUPID Constitution that “conservatives” still worship. Every other democracy in the world has taken the British systems as a model (even Iraq and Israel); the eliminated slavery in the whole Empire without firing a shot.
     
    I'm pretty sure the Constitution didn't invade and burn Dixie.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Opinionator

    Lincoln’s aggression against the South was in violation of the Constitution.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Lincoln’s aggression against the South was in violation of the Constitution.
     
    Dunno.James Madison held that revolution was an extra-constitutional right, one that could only be invoked in response to tyranny....and the South in 1860 could hardly argue that they were being oppressed.....


    That being the case, Lincoln was perfectly justified in putting down an attempted insurrection...


    After all, the Confederacy did the same thing in East Tennessee.....

    Replies: @Opinionator

  105. @whorefinder
    @Pandarus

    I predict at one point in the next decade a Leftist "intellectual" will declare---in all seriousness--- that s/he is smarter than St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Thomas Jefferson, or some other legendary Western traditional thinker---probably on Bill Maher's show, or on MSNBC/CNN/Fox during a talking heads segment. And then s/he will adamantly defend their declaration in articles in "serious" literature/newspapers---and other Leftist "intellectuals" will back them up (Dana Milbank, I'm looking at you for the toadying).

    In fact, much like goading Olbermann and Coates into their foolishness, we should be goading other Leftists intellectuals into doing this. It really wouldn't be hard at all; they already didain Western culture as well as anyone who can remotely be called a "dead white man" or who believes in traditional intellectualism. (Unless they start claiming the white man was secretly black, like blacks do with Jesus, Beethoven, and every Egyptian ruler).

    It's a hoot watching the Left prove everyday since Trump's emergence that it is the movement of the low-IQ but highly-credentialed and well-connected.

    Replies: @Bill B., @John Chard, @Ivy

    Finding the hidden and repressed intellectuals should become easy for The Atlantic and others in the media. After all, that fits with the ideas of, ahem, scholars who claimed that Hillary was the best-qualified US Presidential candidate ever.

    Meanwhile, Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Madison are being erased from history books, street signs, campuses and anywhere else that shows indications of conservative thinking.

  106. @syonredux
    @Anon


    “All in all, it’s pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC. At least Baldwin could always fall back on the language of the King James Bible. TNC, in contrast, can only deploy the mind-numbing vocabulary of the post-modern academy….”

    True, but that’s because they took your advice and got rid of all da fegz. Now you complain?
     
    Far from it, dear fellow. I always try to encourage sodomitical practices among our Black brethren. If nothing else, it might at least lower their TFR.....

    Replies: @Kylie

    “I always try to encourage sodomitical practices among our Black brethren. If nothing else, it might at least lower their TFR…..”

    So when their HIV becomes full-blown AIDS, we taxpayers can foot the bill for their treatment?

    No, thanks. More time at the range for black shooters might be a better option.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Kylie


    “I always try to encourage sodomitical practices among our Black brethren. If nothing else, it might at least lower their TFR…..”

    So when their HIV becomes full-blown AIDS, we taxpayers can foot the bill for their treatment?
     
    I'm all for denying treatment to Gays who contract HIV.....

    No, thanks. More time at the range for black shooters might be a better option.
     
    But then you have to worry about BLM "activists" going polar bear hunting:

    On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others. Two civilians were also wounded. Johnson was an Army Reserve Afghan War veteran who was reportedly angry over police shootings of black men and stated that he wanted to kill white people, especially white police officers.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

    Replies: @Kylie

  107. @Mr. Anon
    @whorefinder

    "The proclamation of low-IQ Ta-Nehehehesi Coates as an “intellectual” is hilarious, and seems a farcical combination of the Emperor’s New Clothes, the crowning of a Down syndrome man as “King of Fools” during Mardi Gras, an updating of Tom Wolfe’s Radical Chic for the 21st Century, and the Left doubling-down on the “I have a black friend!” mentality that led to 8 years of Obama destroying the Democrats."

    Nowadays, it is not enough to have friends who are black, you must have friends who are black geniuses.

    Hey - some of my best friends are the most foremost public intellectual in the country.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Public schools
    Public housing
    Public toilets
    Public intellectuals

    Yup, all renowned for their excellence.

  108. @Arclight
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I can sort of see how Mr. Coates has a somewhat elevated view of himself and his writing after having a loyal group of lickspittles like the "Horde" who did nothing but rhapsodize about his genius in the comments to everything he wrote. If any one is unclear as to what the term "epistemic closure" means, just read a Coates column and then all the responses from his followers.

    One of the reasons it must sort of suck to be a black person of above average ability is the obsequious way goodwhites fawn over your every move or utterance. I would think that's more insulting than just being ignored, although obviously there are people who enjoy the attention and ego stroking like Mr. Coates. It might be better to be a gifted athlete where black excellence is expected and people of all stripes feel free to offer constructive criticism of your play as opposed to trying to operate in the intellectual realm where your ripoff of James Baldwin is praised as "essential, like water or air" by the NYT.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “One of the reasons it must sort of suck to be a black person of above average ability is the obsequious way goodwhites fawn over your every move or utterance. I would think that’s more insulting than just being ignored, although obviously there are people who enjoy the attention and ego stroking like Mr. Coates.”

    Don’t tell me, let me guess. You’re white or Asian.

    Blacks of above average ability (relative to other blacks) don’t regard goodwhites fawning over their every move or utterances as obsequious. They see it as their just due. Blacks generally find being ignored very insulting and much prefer being fawned over.

    I continually marvel at the number of highly intelligent commenters here who attribute typically white attitudes and responses to blacks.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Kylie

    And just for clarity, you are a member of what racial group?

    Replies: @Kylie

  109. @Alec Leamas
    @TheJester

    What is interesting is that you shouldn't need to be "brilliant" in any sense to exercise judicial review with a written Constitution such as ours and arrive at the correct conclusion. The gaps can be filled with State or Federal legislation and in more extraordinary cases the Amendments process. As a matter of fact a certain mediocrity could be helpful and useful on the high court insofar as it would be the source of humility and experience in reaching the limitations of one's intellect and resolving to demur to the democratic processes set forth in the Constitution. It's only when a Court arrogates to itself the role of Philosopher Kings that a justice would need or require significantly superior raw intelligence relative to the community of lawyers at large. Protagoras and Gorgias were nothing if not intelligent.

    The loss of Scalia is notable for the panache of his opinions, but this intelligence and verbal acuity wasn't required to arrive at the correct result.

    The problem with Wise Latina isn't necessarily that she's mediocre, it's that her inability to perform at the level of her peers in the institutions she's attended and judicial offices she's held causes dissonance that is resolved by her concluding that her peers' performance is the product of cultural differences rather than superior raw intelligence. As a result, she feels the need and the right to pepper her work with the extra "wisdom" arising from her life as a Latina.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @ben tillman

    I’m still surprised that the Wide Latina wasn’t called on being a racist sexist pos.

  110. @Arclight
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I can sort of see how Mr. Coates has a somewhat elevated view of himself and his writing after having a loyal group of lickspittles like the "Horde" who did nothing but rhapsodize about his genius in the comments to everything he wrote. If any one is unclear as to what the term "epistemic closure" means, just read a Coates column and then all the responses from his followers.

    One of the reasons it must sort of suck to be a black person of above average ability is the obsequious way goodwhites fawn over your every move or utterance. I would think that's more insulting than just being ignored, although obviously there are people who enjoy the attention and ego stroking like Mr. Coates. It might be better to be a gifted athlete where black excellence is expected and people of all stripes feel free to offer constructive criticism of your play as opposed to trying to operate in the intellectual realm where your ripoff of James Baldwin is praised as "essential, like water or air" by the NYT.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    One of the reasons it must sort of suck to be a black person of above average ability is the obsequious way goodwhites fawn over your every move or utterance. I would think that’s more insulting than just being ignored, although obviously there are people who enjoy the attention and ego stroking like Mr. Coates.

    My personal theory is that TNC, intellectually and emotionally thin-skinned enough to ban (often through zealous surrogate mods) any race realist talk in his comment section, also began to rue the diminishing emotional returns of sermonizing to white liberal virtue-signaling suckups, and became angrier over time.

    He realized that amongst (liberal) whites, he would always be something of a fetish/totem, and he’s ‘woke’ enough to catch that condescending vibe wherever he goes. Perhaps book royalties and “genius” grants bring some lukewarm comfort.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Agree - when a guy who looks at white people as fundamentally problematic suddenly finds himself with tons of white people that want to be his buddy, it's got to cause some real internal conflict. He'll take the money, though - reminds me of that Eddie Murphy skit from SNL years ago where he's in a reggae band performing for a white USO audience. It has a line that goes something like "kill da white people - but buy our record first."

    , @Clyde
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Dittos on what you think that Ta-Nisi thinks of his liberal white suck ups.

  111. @Kylie
    @Arclight

    "One of the reasons it must sort of suck to be a black person of above average ability is the obsequious way goodwhites fawn over your every move or utterance. I would think that’s more insulting than just being ignored, although obviously there are people who enjoy the attention and ego stroking like Mr. Coates."

    Don't tell me, let me guess. You're white or Asian.

    Blacks of above average ability (relative to other blacks) don't regard goodwhites fawning over their every move or utterances as obsequious. They see it as their just due. Blacks generally find being ignored very insulting and much prefer being fawned over.

    I continually marvel at the number of highly intelligent commenters here who attribute typically white attitudes and responses to blacks.

    Replies: @Arclight

    And just for clarity, you are a member of what racial group?

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Arclight

    Why do you ask? My comment was based on years of first-hand observation and experience whereas yours was a hypothetical one.

  112. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Arclight


    One of the reasons it must sort of suck to be a black person of above average ability is the obsequious way goodwhites fawn over your every move or utterance. I would think that’s more insulting than just being ignored, although obviously there are people who enjoy the attention and ego stroking like Mr. Coates.
     
    My personal theory is that TNC, intellectually and emotionally thin-skinned enough to ban (often through zealous surrogate mods) any race realist talk in his comment section, also began to rue the diminishing emotional returns of sermonizing to white liberal virtue-signaling suckups, and became angrier over time.

    He realized that amongst (liberal) whites, he would always be something of a fetish/totem, and he’s ‘woke’ enough to catch that condescending vibe wherever he goes. Perhaps book royalties and “genius” grants bring some lukewarm comfort.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Clyde

    Agree – when a guy who looks at white people as fundamentally problematic suddenly finds himself with tons of white people that want to be his buddy, it’s got to cause some real internal conflict. He’ll take the money, though – reminds me of that Eddie Murphy skit from SNL years ago where he’s in a reggae band performing for a white USO audience. It has a line that goes something like “kill da white people – but buy our record first.”

  113. @syonredux

    “To ignore the fact that one of the oldest republics in the world was erected on a foundation of white supremacy, to pretend that the problems of a dual society are the same as the problems of unregulated capitalism, is to cover the sin of national plunder with the sin of national lying,” Coates writes.
     
    Multiculturalism!F*** that noise!In TNC-World, it's always 1933 (the era of the tyrant, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, father of the heinous sin of redlining), and America is a Black-and-White country...

    But what also has been notable is the reaction of like-minded readers to the piece, which took two years to complete. Everywhere he goes, Coates hears versions of the same plea: What about my group? What about Native Americans? What about Latino immigrants? What about me?
     
    Yeesh, people, where have you been? People with black bodies only care about things that involve Blackness. Heck, if you deleted the word "Black" from TNC's articles, they would be about 25% shorter....

    Coates’s accounting of his personal costs begins with the menace of West Baltimore, a place where young black men — such as himself — were ever at risk.
     
    Love the graceful elision there. At risk because of.....violent Black people? No, just at risk, you know, because of reasons......

    His father, Paul Coates, is a former Black Panther who chose a first name for him inspired by the ancient Egyptian word for Nubia. Its non-intuitive pronunciation—Ta-nuh-ha-see — and its unfamiliar spelling are the source of frequent errors. Coates delights in needling critics who misspell his name.
     
    OK........

    The elder Coates fathered seven children with four women. Ta-Nehisi lived with both his parents throughout his childhood. His father wanted all his kids to know one another, and so Ta-Nehisi says he lived in “various iterations with my brothers and sisters” over the years. “It was usually whoever was causing trouble,” he says. “That’s who came to live with us.”
     
    That's gotta be due to redlining......

    All the women in his father’s life played a role in raising him, Coates says, and he often spent time at his brothers’ and sisters’ homes. “I had a community, a village, as they say, around me,” he says.

    Asked whether there were tensions or jealousies among the women, Coates says, “maybe and probably,” but that wasn’t the sort of thing that he sensed as a child.
     
    MMMM, sounds very West African......

    What he did sense was a love of words. In the late 1970s, his father founded a small publishing house that he still runs, Black Classic Press. It specializes in republishing works of black authors that have gone out of print. “There were books everywhere,” Coates says. “There were books in our basement; there were books out in our garage. There were black books in our living room, black books in our bedroom, black books in the kitchen, black books. It was everywhere around me. . . . I was bathed in it. I couldn’t escape it.
     
    Nigel Tufnel:" It's like, how much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black."

    The world outside the family home came with its own inescapable realities. Tough guys “jumped me all the time,” Coates recalls. The worst was the time he was hit over the head with that metal trash can

     

    Years later, he learned that it was all because of redlining.....

    Replies: @Kyle McKenna, @ussr andy, @Amasius, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jus' Sayin'...

    Its non-intuitive pronunciation—Ta-nuh-ha-see — and its unfamiliar spelling are the source of frequent errors. Coates delights in needling critics who misspell his name.

    Got it half right, Coates. No one is sure of how the vowels in ancient Egyptian were pronounced. The convention among Egyptologists is to substitute an “e” for every suspected vowel and these are usually pronounced as a short “e” or eh sound. Thus the absurdly grandiloquent naming of this silly person should be pronounced Teh Neh Heh Seh.

    But Coates, senior and his son are continuing a long tradition. The phony erudition of many Negroes has been a butt of humor since they first hit these shores

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    TNC, the schwa of letters.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwa

  114. @TheJester
    Ta-Nehisi Coates has public visibility and a few solid affirmative action venues in academia for the same reason that Sonia Sotomayor in on the Supreme Court.

    By described in Sonia's biographies, she was awarded an full AA scholarship to Princeton even though she did not do well on the SATs and struggled to get through the curriculum. Then, she got her AA admission to Yale law school where she was also not considered one of the brightest lights, followed by her AA selection for successive judicial appointments ending in her appointment to the Supreme Court. The best one could say about Sonia is that she was a hard worker ... a very hard worker.

    Sonia's intellectual and judicial deficit was made most clear when she bragged that, in her judicial decisions, her gender and ethnicity guided her.

    As I recall, Michelle Obama had a similar profile ... being Black and available just as Sonia was Hispanic and available. However, there was a difference. Michelle's failed attempts to function at top-name law firms proved incompatible with AA-level skills. Evidently, AA-level skills are acceptable for appointment to the Supreme Court.

    I'm reminded of Nixon's failed 1970 nomination of G. Harrold Carswell to the Supreme Court. In his defense, U.S. Senator Roman Hruska, a Nebraska Republican, argued:


    "Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they, and a little chance? We can't have all Brandeises, Frankfurters and Cardozos."
     
    Hruska finally got his wish with Justice Sonia Sotomayor ... someone mediocre and not ashamed to brag about it. Look where affirmative action got her! What could possibly be wrong with that? Besides, she was the first Hispanic appointed to the Court. That's all that mattered.

    Note: Benjamin Nathan Cardozo, appointed to the Supreme Court in 1932, was at the time considered a Sephardic Jew with Portuguese rather than Hispanic ethnicity. The latter term was not in vogue then, so, I guess, Sonia Sotomayor can still be acclaimed as the first Hispanic justice propelled to the top through a series of affirmative action appointments.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Sotomayor
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Harrold_Carswell
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_N._Cardozo

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Marat, @ben tillman, @whorefinder

    Mentioning awareness of gender and ethnicity in the context of judicial decisions sounds quite distracting. Wouldn’t it be difficult to concentrate on the facts at hand if images of racism and sexism dance in one’s mind? In fact, it sounds like an unintentional admission of inability to do the job.

    My hairdo and choice of designer spectacles affect my mood and therefore my judgement on any given day. But at least I’m aware of it. Is that good enough?

  115. Talk about suicidal behavior…..

    Well, insisting they be freed en situ would certainly seem homicidal.

    On the other hand, the Constitution didn’t kill tens of thousands of people in defense of chattel slavery…..

    Kind of hard to distinguish between fighting off an invasion, and fighting for slavery, when Yankees invade. Makes the distinction immaterial. Invading Dixie and starting a war that led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, to put a stop to something that manifestly was not costing tens of thousands of lives, well, let’s just say it takes the cake in the “burning the village to save it” category. Nobody says “well, we would defend our homes from the invading army, but hey our neighbors own slaves (and certainly don’t kill them in the hundreds of thousands, as Yankees will soon be doing to us), so we deserve it.”

    Put another way, the invasion and its consequences were far worse than slavery.

    I console myself with the two sides’ casualty ratios. Many a psycho Yankee never made it home.

    620k dead Americans, but hey, at least we stopped blacks from working = Yankee-Judean mind at work.

    The South did a lot of stupid stuff.

    Yankee-Judea did a lot more. It would take a career to list it all, but the short form is: almost all of the bad stuff from 1860 onward.

  116. Yankee-Judean “logic”:

    1860: we wasted hundreds of thousands of American lives, and devastated half the country’s economy, but hey, they were into slavery, so it was all worth it.

    2016: we wasted trillions of dollars and thousands of lives on Iraq, but, they beat their women, they aren’t nice to homos, etc., so it was all worth it.

    Maybe we’ll get lucky, and they’ll apply their logic to Israel.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Svigor

    "2016: we wasted trillions of dollars and thousands of lives on Iraq, but, they beat their women, they aren’t nice to homos, etc., so it was all worth it.

    Maybe we’ll get lucky, and they’ll apply their logic to Israel."

    Jewish men in Israel beat their women and aren't nice to Homos?

  117. @Anonitron3
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Tupac and Biggie aren't known for their collaborations and I'm at a loss as to how you would name a beat.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    but the question remains, name and identify who was Augustine of Hippo, and what major works he is associated with.

  118. @whorefinder
    The proclamation of low-IQ Ta-Nehehehesi Coates as an "intellectual" is hilarious, and seems a farcical combination of the Emperor's New Clothes, the crowning of a Down syndrome man as "King of Fools" during Mardi Gras, an updating of Tom Wolfe's Radical Chic for the 21st Century, and the Left doubling-down on the "I have a black friend!" mentality that led to 8 years of Obama destroying the Democrats.

    The only thing more hilarious is how the Left hasn't realized a big, central truth from the election: that very few people are listening to or taking seriously their organs of propaganda, the Corporate Media, anymore. As a result, these folks will be in absolute shock when Coates's books fail to sell as well as predicted, his writing doesn't save The Atlantic from dropping sales, and how most Americans, including black Americans, will not know or have heard his nonsense when asked about them---and how little dent his "arguments" (to use the term loosely) will impact national opinions. (Similar to how the Left is always shocked how Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have actual little pull over most blacks, and can't order them to stop rioting).

    And that's before we get into the hilarity of Coates's not-very-well-hidden massive insecurity at failing to become the violent, masculine black radical leader his father wanted, and instead becoming a mincing, weak, gentrified token black "thinker" for white lefties to coo over. Such a letdown for daddy.

    Seriously, if in a debate you wanted to upset Coates, throw him off his game, or just want to make him spazz out like a child, insinuating that Coates is a disappointment to his father or isn't very masculine will set him off like a rocket ship, and probably not only have him spitting and sputtering and threatening you (without meaning it), but also launch two-three articles by him attacking you/defending his masculinity. It would be child's play.

    Similar to how Ann Coulter and her fellow travelers on the right figured out that one of Keith Olbermann's massive insecurities (among his many) was about where he went to college, and so gently mocked him. Olbermann went on a child-tantrum tear, actually physically bringing his diploma out on live TV to lecture people for a full segment about how he really did go to a real Ivy league school, you guys!

    Olbermann's massive faux pas doing that --which in itself was mockable, and only highlighted his insecurity---was probably one of the final straws in pushing his psycho behavior into such a state that, later, not even MSNBC could tolerate his insecure psychosis.

    And so it should go with Coates.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @whorefinder, @Mr. Anon, @Clyde, @ic1000, @ben tillman, @Ragno, @Jim Don Bob, @Old Palo Altan

    Having only the vaguest idea who Keith Olbermann might be, I naturally had even less of an idea where he might have gone to college.
    Wiki told me Cornell, and I laughed – well, of course he was embarrassed, surrounded as he must be by all of those New York Jews who have taken over Harvard and Yale.
    Then I saw that he didn’t even go to the real Cornell, but to a state funded agricultural college only covered by the name of the university, where got a B.S (?) in communication.
    I know it is OT, but can anyone explain why Cornell University is considered Ivy League? Maybe New York used its size and wealth to bully the other states involved into giving it two such places, Columbia for the city, and Cornell for the rest of the state?
    I am happy to accept that the real Cornell had the academic excellence and even the selectivity (just) of a Harvard, a Yale or a Princeton, but the social elitism? Never in a million years.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Old Palo Altan


    I know it is OT, but can anyone explain why Cornell University is considered Ivy League?
     
    The Ivy League is an athletic conference with a distinct membership. Cornell is one of the members.

    The Ivy League was founded as a football conference in 1945 by its eight member schools, including Cornell, to affirm the observance of common practices in academic standards and eligibility requirements and the administration of need-based financial aid, with no athletic scholarships.

    http://www.ivyleague.com/history/timeline/index

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Old Palo Altan

  119. @TheJester
    Ta-Nehisi Coates has public visibility and a few solid affirmative action venues in academia for the same reason that Sonia Sotomayor in on the Supreme Court.

    By described in Sonia's biographies, she was awarded an full AA scholarship to Princeton even though she did not do well on the SATs and struggled to get through the curriculum. Then, she got her AA admission to Yale law school where she was also not considered one of the brightest lights, followed by her AA selection for successive judicial appointments ending in her appointment to the Supreme Court. The best one could say about Sonia is that she was a hard worker ... a very hard worker.

    Sonia's intellectual and judicial deficit was made most clear when she bragged that, in her judicial decisions, her gender and ethnicity guided her.

    As I recall, Michelle Obama had a similar profile ... being Black and available just as Sonia was Hispanic and available. However, there was a difference. Michelle's failed attempts to function at top-name law firms proved incompatible with AA-level skills. Evidently, AA-level skills are acceptable for appointment to the Supreme Court.

    I'm reminded of Nixon's failed 1970 nomination of G. Harrold Carswell to the Supreme Court. In his defense, U.S. Senator Roman Hruska, a Nebraska Republican, argued:


    "Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they, and a little chance? We can't have all Brandeises, Frankfurters and Cardozos."
     
    Hruska finally got his wish with Justice Sonia Sotomayor ... someone mediocre and not ashamed to brag about it. Look where affirmative action got her! What could possibly be wrong with that? Besides, she was the first Hispanic appointed to the Court. That's all that mattered.

    Note: Benjamin Nathan Cardozo, appointed to the Supreme Court in 1932, was at the time considered a Sephardic Jew with Portuguese rather than Hispanic ethnicity. The latter term was not in vogue then, so, I guess, Sonia Sotomayor can still be acclaimed as the first Hispanic justice propelled to the top through a series of affirmative action appointments.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Sotomayor
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Harrold_Carswell
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_N._Cardozo

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Marat, @ben tillman, @whorefinder

    “Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren’t they, and a little chance? We can’t have all Brandeises, Frankfurters and Cardozos.”

    Hruska finally got his wish with Justice Sonia Sotomayor … someone mediocre and not ashamed to brag about it.

    Are you sure Hruska wasn’t making an ethnically charged comment in response to an ethnic dimension present in the objections to Carswell?

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @ben tillman

    Must have been.

  120. @Jack D
    @Amasius

    You also forgot to mention the meaningless hyphen in the wrong place. If you are offended then you've fallen for his father's shtick - it was meant to be offensive to white people. That was the whole point.

    Personally I think it is amusing. We take these things so seriously now. If you read 19th century coverage of black culture in the mainstream American press (even the Northern press) they took it all very tongue in cheek, as if they were writing about people who were putting on airs, pretending to be smarter and more civilized than they really were. But now we have to pretend to deeply RESPECT the phony invented black culture with phony made up names with nonsensical spellings and made up holidays like Kwanzaa (which BTW, seems to be fading, thank God). Don't read too deeply into Ta-Nehisi - it's a stupid made up name with stupid made up spelling made up by a stupid person so naturally it doesn't adhere to any internally consistent rules of spelling. Do you think Coates, Sr. is Noah Webster?

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @Peripatetic commenter

    So right Jack D.
    I spend a lot of time using newspapers.com and similar sites, and one of the unexpected bonuses of my genealogical obsession is to read the articles on the same page as the obituary or wedding announcement or whatever of interest to me. The accounts of the doings of the Negro population (no “blacks” to be seen) are always written with either patient amusement at their stupidities, or enraged disgust at their crimes.
    You write “even the Northern press”. In my experience the Southern papers are usually more respectful, particularly of their religious doings (“Negro Ministers meet in conclave in Tuscaloosa”) than are those of the North, who write from a perspective of open-mouthed disbelief in the face of what for them was a new phenomenon.

  121. @Anon
    @J1234

    "Every descendant of black slaves should pay money to the descendants of Union soldiers who died in battle (white and black), because the cost of black emancipation in the US was unique to the US – a price not paid in any other slave holding country in the New World."

    Yes, unique because of our STUPID Constitution that "conservatives" still worship. Every other democracy in the world has taken the British systems as a model (even Iraq and Israel); the eliminated slavery in the whole Empire without firing a shot.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Stan Adams, @Bill Jones

    It really is time to end the nonsense that the Civil War was about slavery.
    It wasn’t.
    Read Lincolns First Inaugural address, the one they don’t teach you at school. He’s happy with slavery and threatens violence only if the Feds taxes aren’t collected.

    “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”

    “The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere.”

    http://www.bartleby.com/124/pr…

    Lincoln tripled the tariffs on imports.

    The South, as an agrarian economy was an importer of manufactured goods. the North not so. The South was forced to buy at higher prices from the North.

    Many of the South’s export markets raised their tariffs in response thus making the exports less competitive.

    Read Thomas DiLorenzo for an antidote to the usual hagiography’s of Lincoln.

    Start here.

    https://mises.org/library/linc…

  122. @Alec Leamas
    @TheJester

    What is interesting is that you shouldn't need to be "brilliant" in any sense to exercise judicial review with a written Constitution such as ours and arrive at the correct conclusion. The gaps can be filled with State or Federal legislation and in more extraordinary cases the Amendments process. As a matter of fact a certain mediocrity could be helpful and useful on the high court insofar as it would be the source of humility and experience in reaching the limitations of one's intellect and resolving to demur to the democratic processes set forth in the Constitution. It's only when a Court arrogates to itself the role of Philosopher Kings that a justice would need or require significantly superior raw intelligence relative to the community of lawyers at large. Protagoras and Gorgias were nothing if not intelligent.

    The loss of Scalia is notable for the panache of his opinions, but this intelligence and verbal acuity wasn't required to arrive at the correct result.

    The problem with Wise Latina isn't necessarily that she's mediocre, it's that her inability to perform at the level of her peers in the institutions she's attended and judicial offices she's held causes dissonance that is resolved by her concluding that her peers' performance is the product of cultural differences rather than superior raw intelligence. As a result, she feels the need and the right to pepper her work with the extra "wisdom" arising from her life as a Latina.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @ben tillman

    What is interesting is that you shouldn’t need to be “brilliant” in any sense to exercise judicial review with a written Constitution such as ours and arrive at the correct conclusion. . . . It’s only when a Court arrogates to itself the role of Philosopher Kings that a justice would need or require significantly superior raw intelligence relative to the community of lawyers at large.

    Hardly. The Supreme Court usually gets non-ideological stuff like bankruptcy law correct, but even there one can see what happens when the Justices aren’t all that smart. If four justices can get Ron Pair wrong, how bad would things be if our appellate courts were staffed with average lawyers? There is no law of diminishing returns when it comes to intelligence and judging; in fact the opposite is true.

    https://business-finance-restructuring.weil.com/throwback-thursday/u-s-v-ron-pair-enters/

    Although I have to say the list of dissenters suggests an ideological basis for the dissent even on the apparently non-ideological issue in Ron Pair

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @ben tillman

    There is no law of diminishing returns when it comes to intelligence and judging; in fact the opposite is true.

    What do you mean by this?

  123. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Coates confessed that he didn’t know who Saint Augustine was, then charged ahead with the debate."

    And of course, Coates could always respond with, 'Ok, Jeffrey, let's see who's paying attention. Name Biggie and Tupac's backup members on their most famous raps. And also, name the top three beats on the Chronic Album. After all, the Chronic changed my whole world. What'd Bishop of Hippo ever do for me?'

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anonitron3, @oh its just me too

    I wish I could laugh at this but it’s happened in real life with me. A black woman didn’t know who Dante was or what he wrote. Her reply was exactly like your post.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @oh its just me too

    Yeah, but I'd bet that not 10 in 100 white college graduates know who Dante is either. Because he white or something?

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @oh its just me too

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @oh its just me too

    That's the point.

  124. @ben tillman
    @TheJester


    “Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren’t they, and a little chance? We can’t have all Brandeises, Frankfurters and Cardozos.”

    Hruska finally got his wish with Justice Sonia Sotomayor … someone mediocre and not ashamed to brag about it.
     

    Are you sure Hruska wasn't making an ethnically charged comment in response to an ethnic dimension present in the objections to Carswell?

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Must have been.

  125. @ben tillman
    @Alec Leamas


    What is interesting is that you shouldn’t need to be “brilliant” in any sense to exercise judicial review with a written Constitution such as ours and arrive at the correct conclusion. . . . It’s only when a Court arrogates to itself the role of Philosopher Kings that a justice would need or require significantly superior raw intelligence relative to the community of lawyers at large.
     
    Hardly. The Supreme Court usually gets non-ideological stuff like bankruptcy law correct, but even there one can see what happens when the Justices aren't all that smart. If four justices can get Ron Pair wrong, how bad would things be if our appellate courts were staffed with average lawyers? There is no law of diminishing returns when it comes to intelligence and judging; in fact the opposite is true.

    https://business-finance-restructuring.weil.com/throwback-thursday/u-s-v-ron-pair-enters/

    Although I have to say the list of dissenters suggests an ideological basis for the dissent even on the apparently non-ideological issue in Ron Pair

    Replies: @Opinionator

    There is no law of diminishing returns when it comes to intelligence and judging; in fact the opposite is true.

    What do you mean by this?

  126. @Jack D
    @Amasius

    You also forgot to mention the meaningless hyphen in the wrong place. If you are offended then you've fallen for his father's shtick - it was meant to be offensive to white people. That was the whole point.

    Personally I think it is amusing. We take these things so seriously now. If you read 19th century coverage of black culture in the mainstream American press (even the Northern press) they took it all very tongue in cheek, as if they were writing about people who were putting on airs, pretending to be smarter and more civilized than they really were. But now we have to pretend to deeply RESPECT the phony invented black culture with phony made up names with nonsensical spellings and made up holidays like Kwanzaa (which BTW, seems to be fading, thank God). Don't read too deeply into Ta-Nehisi - it's a stupid made up name with stupid made up spelling made up by a stupid person so naturally it doesn't adhere to any internally consistent rules of spelling. Do you think Coates, Sr. is Noah Webster?

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @Peripatetic commenter

    Do you think Coates, Sr. is Noah Webster?

    Speaking of Noah Webster, there are stupid people who author changes on Wikipedia who claim that Noah Websters Blue-Backed Speller gave Americans “a secular catechism to the nation-state.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster

    However, anyone who actually looked at the Blue-Backed Speller and compared it with what came before would realize that Webster was applying a very good pedagogic principle and he most definitely was not secular. He introduced biblically-derived words later in the Blue-Backed Speller when larger words were called for. (Indeed, the first line of the first table in the Blue-Backed Speller should have been a clue.)

    Perhaps Steve should write an article about it.

  127. @Old Palo Altan
    @whorefinder

    Having only the vaguest idea who Keith Olbermann might be, I naturally had even less of an idea where he might have gone to college.
    Wiki told me Cornell, and I laughed - well, of course he was embarrassed, surrounded as he must be by all of those New York Jews who have taken over Harvard and Yale.
    Then I saw that he didn't even go to the real Cornell, but to a state funded agricultural college only covered by the name of the university, where got a B.S (?) in communication.
    I know it is OT, but can anyone explain why Cornell University is considered Ivy League? Maybe New York used its size and wealth to bully the other states involved into giving it two such places, Columbia for the city, and Cornell for the rest of the state?
    I am happy to accept that the real Cornell had the academic excellence and even the selectivity (just) of a Harvard, a Yale or a Princeton, but the social elitism? Never in a million years.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    I know it is OT, but can anyone explain why Cornell University is considered Ivy League?

    The Ivy League is an athletic conference with a distinct membership. Cornell is one of the members.

    The Ivy League was founded as a football conference in 1945 by its eight member schools, including Cornell, to affirm the observance of common practices in academic standards and eligibility requirements and the administration of need-based financial aid, with no athletic scholarships.

    http://www.ivyleague.com/history/timeline/index

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @ben tillman

    "...and the administration of need-based financial aid, with no athletic scholarships...."

    Right! Many years ago, Harvard treated a student from my HS to a year of prep school and multiple shots at the SATs so he could obtain an academic record that allowed Harvard to admit him with a scholarship. That he was a standout HS football player obviously had nothing to do with this special treatment. BTW, he repaid Harvard's investment by making a game winning catch in the last seconds of a Harvard-Yale football game.

    , @Old Palo Altan
    @ben tillman

    Well, I did know that (and should probably have said so) but my point was the social exclusivity tingle which people get whenever the Ivy Leagues are mentioned. I just don't think that Cornell ever deserved that sort of a reputation, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if back in 1945 there wasn't some muttering about Cornell's inclusion, if not among the undergraduates at Harvard and Yale, then certainly among the older alumni in their clubs in New York and elsewhere.

  128. @oh its just me too
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I wish I could laugh at this but it's happened in real life with me. A black woman didn't know who Dante was or what he wrote. Her reply was exactly like your post.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Yeah, but I’d bet that not 10 in 100 white college graduates know who Dante is either. Because he white or something?

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Jim Don Bob

    Question: which group names their kids Dante, or Dantay, Shanaquay? Unanimously blacks win hands down, or hands up, to quote BLM. Speaking of which, wonder how many blacks and whites of all ages have heard of BLM?

    , @oh its just me too
    @Jim Don Bob

    and puts sodomites, bankers and Muhammad in hell...
    I have predicted for awhile that Dante will be banned in schools even in Italy....

  129. @TheJester
    Ta-Nehisi Coates has public visibility and a few solid affirmative action venues in academia for the same reason that Sonia Sotomayor in on the Supreme Court.

    By described in Sonia's biographies, she was awarded an full AA scholarship to Princeton even though she did not do well on the SATs and struggled to get through the curriculum. Then, she got her AA admission to Yale law school where she was also not considered one of the brightest lights, followed by her AA selection for successive judicial appointments ending in her appointment to the Supreme Court. The best one could say about Sonia is that she was a hard worker ... a very hard worker.

    Sonia's intellectual and judicial deficit was made most clear when she bragged that, in her judicial decisions, her gender and ethnicity guided her.

    As I recall, Michelle Obama had a similar profile ... being Black and available just as Sonia was Hispanic and available. However, there was a difference. Michelle's failed attempts to function at top-name law firms proved incompatible with AA-level skills. Evidently, AA-level skills are acceptable for appointment to the Supreme Court.

    I'm reminded of Nixon's failed 1970 nomination of G. Harrold Carswell to the Supreme Court. In his defense, U.S. Senator Roman Hruska, a Nebraska Republican, argued:


    "Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they, and a little chance? We can't have all Brandeises, Frankfurters and Cardozos."
     
    Hruska finally got his wish with Justice Sonia Sotomayor ... someone mediocre and not ashamed to brag about it. Look where affirmative action got her! What could possibly be wrong with that? Besides, she was the first Hispanic appointed to the Court. That's all that mattered.

    Note: Benjamin Nathan Cardozo, appointed to the Supreme Court in 1932, was at the time considered a Sephardic Jew with Portuguese rather than Hispanic ethnicity. The latter term was not in vogue then, so, I guess, Sonia Sotomayor can still be acclaimed as the first Hispanic justice propelled to the top through a series of affirmative action appointments.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Sotomayor
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Harrold_Carswell
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_N._Cardozo

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Marat, @ben tillman, @whorefinder

    A major problem with AA is that the vast majority of AA recipients aren’t shamed and made to feel inferior for their free rides. In fact, most feel like they “earned” their spots and are even more brilliant than the whiteys who get there on merit. Despite Hollywood propaganda, no one walks around telling AA hires and AA students they only got there due to AA—because such a speech would be social and career suicide, and would likely cause a mass of Lefty thugs to attack you physically.

    It’s illogical, but true: AA folks think they are more capable than those who earned it on merit.

    This is a Leftist psychological problem I note a lot: they mistake credentialization/position for capability. Many leftists will actually tout the honorary degrees a leftist has won as somehow proof that the degrees reflect accomplishment. Sounds crazy, but true. This also relates to Olbermann’s obsession with his credentials: as a Leftist, he literally believes that having an Ivy-league degree means he’s better than you, and thus when Coulter gently mocked his as not being real, he went ballistic, because, in his mind, it removed all his abilities and capabilities and accomplishments.

    These folks are sick.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @whorefinder


    In fact, most feel like they “earned” their spots...
     
    Actually, I'd say the perspective is worse--most feel they "deserve" their spot. Life is seen as akin to a lottery rather than to a meritocracy. Prizes, awards, benefits, lucre, booty, jobs, are handed out to the deserving--which means being present--showing up. Equal opportunity doesn't say anything about merit or previous accomplishment--opportunities equally available, like buying a lottery ticket.

    Having been told their entire lives that the white man has blocked them every step of the way (their lottery tickets were excluded from the drawing pool), these prizes, benefits, et al., are now deserved.
  130. @CCZ
    @eric

    I was very recently told by a 60 year old white female college educated, university employed, suburban living, pro-social justice and anti-white racism (self-described), liberal Unitarian-Universalist church congregant that young black male rap, guns, drug, violence “culture” was the product / result of “white supremacy” and “systematic racism.” And she was not alone in expressing that belief. That ended that “conversation” on the nature of contemporary race relations.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas, @Paco Wové

    “Unitarian-Universalist church congregant”

    You could have started and ended the description of the speaker right there; all else is redundant.

  131. @Jim Don Bob
    @oh its just me too

    Yeah, but I'd bet that not 10 in 100 white college graduates know who Dante is either. Because he white or something?

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @oh its just me too

    Question: which group names their kids Dante, or Dantay, Shanaquay? Unanimously blacks win hands down, or hands up, to quote BLM. Speaking of which, wonder how many blacks and whites of all ages have heard of BLM?

  132. @Jim Don Bob
    @oh its just me too

    Yeah, but I'd bet that not 10 in 100 white college graduates know who Dante is either. Because he white or something?

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @oh its just me too

    and puts sodomites, bankers and Muhammad in hell…
    I have predicted for awhile that Dante will be banned in schools even in Italy….

  133. @oh its just me too
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I wish I could laugh at this but it's happened in real life with me. A black woman didn't know who Dante was or what he wrote. Her reply was exactly like your post.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    That’s the point.

  134. @ben tillman
    @Old Palo Altan


    I know it is OT, but can anyone explain why Cornell University is considered Ivy League?
     
    The Ivy League is an athletic conference with a distinct membership. Cornell is one of the members.

    The Ivy League was founded as a football conference in 1945 by its eight member schools, including Cornell, to affirm the observance of common practices in academic standards and eligibility requirements and the administration of need-based financial aid, with no athletic scholarships.

    http://www.ivyleague.com/history/timeline/index

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Old Palo Altan

    “…and the administration of need-based financial aid, with no athletic scholarships….”

    Right! Many years ago, Harvard treated a student from my HS to a year of prep school and multiple shots at the SATs so he could obtain an academic record that allowed Harvard to admit him with a scholarship. That he was a standout HS football player obviously had nothing to do with this special treatment. BTW, he repaid Harvard’s investment by making a game winning catch in the last seconds of a Harvard-Yale football game.

  135. @Kylie
    @syonredux

    "I always try to encourage sodomitical practices among our Black brethren. If nothing else, it might at least lower their TFR….."

    So when their HIV becomes full-blown AIDS, we taxpayers can foot the bill for their treatment?

    No, thanks. More time at the range for black shooters might be a better option.

    Replies: @syonredux

    “I always try to encourage sodomitical practices among our Black brethren. If nothing else, it might at least lower their TFR…..”

    So when their HIV becomes full-blown AIDS, we taxpayers can foot the bill for their treatment?

    I’m all for denying treatment to Gays who contract HIV…..

    No, thanks. More time at the range for black shooters might be a better option.

    But then you have to worry about BLM “activists” going polar bear hunting:

    On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others. Two civilians were also wounded. Johnson was an Army Reserve Afghan War veteran who was reportedly angry over police shootings of black men and stated that he wanted to kill white people, especially white police officers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @syonredux

    "I’m all for denying treatment to Gays who contract HIV….."

    Same here. But I'm afraid that's a non-starter for the foreseeable future. When a business can't refuse to provide a gay wedding without serious financial repercussions, I don't see how denying free treatment to gays would be acceptable.

    "But then you have to worry about BLM 'activists' going polar bear hunting"

    We have that anyway. The dumb black shooters I had in mind wouldn't be politicized enough to engage in that kind of activism. As far as that goes, BLM has kind of fizzled at least for the time being anyway.

    Also polar bear hunting has never made any real inroads into suburban or rural areas. I have zero sympathy or concern for whites in urban areas who don't make every effort to avoid blacks.

  136. @Opinionator
    @Svigor

    Lincoln's aggression against the South was in violation of the Constitution.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Lincoln’s aggression against the South was in violation of the Constitution.

    Dunno.James Madison held that revolution was an extra-constitutional right, one that could only be invoked in response to tyranny….and the South in 1860 could hardly argue that they were being oppressed…..

    That being the case, Lincoln was perfectly justified in putting down an attempted insurrection…

    After all, the Confederacy did the same thing in East Tennessee…..

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @syonredux

    State secession is not "insurrection."

    Replies: @syonredux

  137. As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.

    Apparently everything I learned in my college Speech Communications class and Toastmasters is wrong, or perhaps avoiding “you knows” in your presentation or response is a White privilege thing.

  138. @Lurker
    @Steve Sailer

    Cockney accent - Joe affected a very strange accent. I don't know if anyone ever worked out what it was supposed to be. I wonder if there are any recordings anywhere of him talking in his own, original, voice?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @BB753

    Strummer sounds mildly working class, not Cockney. Maybe hanging out with working class Londoners over the years changed his manner of speaking. You can sometimes hear standard educated English (R. P.) underneath his popular accent. It’s the other other way round with David Bowie, who wanted to sound posh but couldn’t. If you want to listen to a genuine London accent, look up Paul Weller from The Jam. Truly jarring to the ears.

  139. I’m all for denying treatment to Gays who contract HIV…..

    Well, in Yankee-Judea, anyway. Anywhere else, and it’s a cause for bombings, invasion, etc., right?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Svigor


    I’m all for denying treatment to Gays who contract HIV…..

    Well, in Yankee-Judea, anyway. Anywhere else, and it’s a cause for bombings, invasion, etc., right?
     
    Hey, I'm all for denying treatment to Gays with HIV all over the globe....

    If we must have Gays, they should be celibate aesthetes......
  140. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @syonredux


    Its non-intuitive pronunciation—Ta-nuh-ha-see — and its unfamiliar spelling are the source of frequent errors. Coates delights in needling critics who misspell his name.
     
    Got it half right, Coates. No one is sure of how the vowels in ancient Egyptian were pronounced. The convention among Egyptologists is to substitute an "e" for every suspected vowel and these are usually pronounced as a short "e" or eh sound. Thus the absurdly grandiloquent naming of this silly person should be pronounced Teh Neh Heh Seh.

    But Coates, senior and his son are continuing a long tradition. The phony erudition of many Negroes has been a butt of humor since they first hit these shores

    Replies: @Ivy

    TNC, the schwa of letters.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwa

  141. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    And, once Coates finds out that St. Augustine was born in North Africa, it's a foregone conclusion to, "Aha! Augustine was a brother! Dang, I really should check this dude out."

    I mean, everyone knows that the Bishop of Hippo was black. Wonder why Golderg didn't bother to inform NC of this fact. It has to be on account of racism. It just has to be.

    Replies: @WowJustWow, @Frau Katze, @FX Enderby

    Blacks have been known to claim Ancient Egypt as their own, because it’s in Africa. They (or some of them) actually think that way.

    I can’t be bothered to read Coates (I’m not even an American—that’s my excuse). He may be smart enough not to draw the above conclusion. You don’t exactly have to be a genius.

  142. @syonredux

    As he speaks, Coates seems to be working out the logical string on the spot, circling back to the beginning and editing himself, refining the argument, then re-refining it. He is 6-foot-4 and has a round, soft-looking face that makes him appear younger than he is. When he’s groping for a word, and that is often, he tends to fill the gaps with “you knows” and bursts of laughter followed by bursts of ideas.
     
    He basically just said that Coates is an inarticulate manchild....

    “You get here and people say, ‘Why can’t you do that for our community?’ ” Coates says one morning at a Capitol Hill coffee shop. He calls the reaction “disrespectful” but “not illogical.” Disrespectful because he believes the experience of blacks in America deserves its own, focused examination. Not illogical because he can empathize with the desire of people who feel wronged.
     
    Respect is a key word in TNC’s lexicon, another sign, perhaps, of his immaturity.

    All in all, it’s pretty sad that the Black community has gone from James Baldwin to TNC. At least Baldwin could always fall back on the language of the King James Bible. TNC, in contrast, can only deploy the mind-numbing vocabulary of the post-modern academy....

    Replies: @Bill, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon, @Frau Katze

    Intellectuals (of any colour) aren’t what they used to be. PC has made everything sound ridiculous.

  143. Dunno.James Madison held that revolution was an extra-constitutional right, one that could only be invoked in response to tyranny….and the South in 1860 could hardly argue that they were being oppressed…..

    That being the case, Lincoln was perfectly justified in putting down an attempted insurrection…

    After all, the Confederacy did the same thing in East Tennessee…..

    Good for James Madison. It’s not for Yankee-Judeans to decide how or why others invoke their rights, though. Certainly not to invade and set off a war that killed 620,000 Americans over it. So no, Lincoln wasn’t justified. May he burn in Hell.

    As for tu quoque, well, it’s a fallacy for a reason. And if it isn’t, hey, Yankee-Judea had slavery throughout most of their history, up to that point, so who were they to judge? “Oh, I just quit beating my wife yesterday, after beating her every day since the wedding, but you beat your wife today, a full day after I quit beating my wife, so now I’m gonna burn your house down.” = Yankee-Judean “morality.”

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Svigor


    Good for James Madison. It’s not for Yankee-Judeans to decide how or why others invoke their rights, though.
     
    Of course, James Madison wasn't a Yankee....

    Certainly not to invade and set off a war that killed 620,000 Americans over it.
     
    Certainly not to commit treason and to start a war that killed over 620,000 Americans...And all in the name of owning people as property....

    So no, Lincoln wasn’t justified. May he burn in Hell.
     
    So, no, Jefferson Davis wasn't justified. May he burn in Hell.

    As for tu quoque, well, it’s a fallacy for a reason.
     
    Actually, it's most effective. It reveals hypocrisy.

    And if it isn’t, hey, Yankee-Judea had slavery throughout most of their history, up to that point, so who were they to judge?
     
    Well, to a much lesser degree, dear fellow. For example, slavery topped out in Massachusetts at 2% of the population. Just imagine what, say, South Carolina would have been like if slaves never amounted to more than 2% of that state's population....

    “Oh, I just quit beating my wife yesterday, after beating her every day since the wedding, but you beat your wife today, a full day after I quit beating my wife, so now
     
    Bit more than just yesterday, dear fellow. Check the abolition timeline.

    I’m gonna burn your house down.”
     
    Other way around, dear fellow. No attempt to secede, no war.

    = Yankee-Judean “morality.
     
    MMMM, secession in the name of owning people=Southern "morality."

    Here's Jefferson on what owning slaves does to a man's morals:


    There must doubtless be an unhappy influence on the manners of our people produced by the existence of slavery among us. The whole commerce between master and slave is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other. Our children see this, and learn to imitate it; for man is an imitative animal. This quality is the germ of all education in him. From his cradle to his grave he is learning to do what he sees others do. If a parent could find no motive either in his philanthropy or his self-love, for restraining the intemperance of passion towards his slave, it should always be a sufficient one that his child is present. But generally it is not sufficient. The parent storms, the child looks on, catches the lineaments of wrath, puts on the same airs in the circle of smaller slaves, gives a loose to his worst of passions, and thus nursed, educated, and daily exercised in tyranny, cannot but be stamped by it with odious peculiarities. The man must be a prodigy who can retain his manners and morals undepraved by such circumstances.

     

  144. Right of conquest is all Yankee-Judeans have.

    I could respect that argument. But it’s far too honest for Yankee-Judeans; the lies go all the way to the bone.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Svigor


    Right of conquest is all Yankee-Judeans have.
     
    Well, there was all that Constitutional Convention business...

    I could respect that argument. But it’s far too honest for Yankee-Judeans; the lies go all the way to the bone.

     

    Kind of like how Neo-Confederates aren't honest enough to talk about slavery as the basis for secession; Neo-Confederate lies go all the way to the marrow.....
  145. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    And, once Coates finds out that St. Augustine was born in North Africa, it's a foregone conclusion to, "Aha! Augustine was a brother! Dang, I really should check this dude out."

    I mean, everyone knows that the Bishop of Hippo was black. Wonder why Golderg didn't bother to inform NC of this fact. It has to be on account of racism. It just has to be.

    Replies: @WowJustWow, @Frau Katze, @FX Enderby

    St. Augustine was Black! Anthony Burgess wrote about how he heard this claim during his time lecturing at colleges in the US in the early 1970’s. But of course, T. Coates has never heard of Burgess – or of the period in history known as the early 1970’s.

  146. @Arclight
    @Kylie

    And just for clarity, you are a member of what racial group?

    Replies: @Kylie

    Why do you ask? My comment was based on years of first-hand observation and experience whereas yours was a hypothetical one.

  147. @ben tillman
    @Old Palo Altan


    I know it is OT, but can anyone explain why Cornell University is considered Ivy League?
     
    The Ivy League is an athletic conference with a distinct membership. Cornell is one of the members.

    The Ivy League was founded as a football conference in 1945 by its eight member schools, including Cornell, to affirm the observance of common practices in academic standards and eligibility requirements and the administration of need-based financial aid, with no athletic scholarships.

    http://www.ivyleague.com/history/timeline/index

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Old Palo Altan

    Well, I did know that (and should probably have said so) but my point was the social exclusivity tingle which people get whenever the Ivy Leagues are mentioned. I just don’t think that Cornell ever deserved that sort of a reputation, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if back in 1945 there wasn’t some muttering about Cornell’s inclusion, if not among the undergraduates at Harvard and Yale, then certainly among the older alumni in their clubs in New York and elsewhere.

  148. @syonredux
    @Kylie


    “I always try to encourage sodomitical practices among our Black brethren. If nothing else, it might at least lower their TFR…..”

    So when their HIV becomes full-blown AIDS, we taxpayers can foot the bill for their treatment?
     
    I'm all for denying treatment to Gays who contract HIV.....

    No, thanks. More time at the range for black shooters might be a better option.
     
    But then you have to worry about BLM "activists" going polar bear hunting:

    On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others. Two civilians were also wounded. Johnson was an Army Reserve Afghan War veteran who was reportedly angry over police shootings of black men and stated that he wanted to kill white people, especially white police officers.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

    Replies: @Kylie

    “I’m all for denying treatment to Gays who contract HIV…..”

    Same here. But I’m afraid that’s a non-starter for the foreseeable future. When a business can’t refuse to provide a gay wedding without serious financial repercussions, I don’t see how denying free treatment to gays would be acceptable.

    “But then you have to worry about BLM ‘activists’ going polar bear hunting”

    We have that anyway. The dumb black shooters I had in mind wouldn’t be politicized enough to engage in that kind of activism. As far as that goes, BLM has kind of fizzled at least for the time being anyway.

    Also polar bear hunting has never made any real inroads into suburban or rural areas. I have zero sympathy or concern for whites in urban areas who don’t make every effort to avoid blacks.

  149. @whorefinder
    @TheJester

    A major problem with AA is that the vast majority of AA recipients aren't shamed and made to feel inferior for their free rides. In fact, most feel like they "earned" their spots and are even more brilliant than the whiteys who get there on merit. Despite Hollywood propaganda, no one walks around telling AA hires and AA students they only got there due to AA---because such a speech would be social and career suicide, and would likely cause a mass of Lefty thugs to attack you physically.

    It's illogical, but true: AA folks think they are more capable than those who earned it on merit.

    This is a Leftist psychological problem I note a lot: they mistake credentialization/position for capability. Many leftists will actually tout the honorary degrees a leftist has won as somehow proof that the degrees reflect accomplishment. Sounds crazy, but true. This also relates to Olbermann's obsession with his credentials: as a Leftist, he literally believes that having an Ivy-league degree means he's better than you, and thus when Coulter gently mocked his as not being real, he went ballistic, because, in his mind, it removed all his abilities and capabilities and accomplishments.

    These folks are sick.

    Replies: @Forbes

    In fact, most feel like they “earned” their spots…

    Actually, I’d say the perspective is worse–most feel they “deserve” their spot. Life is seen as akin to a lottery rather than to a meritocracy. Prizes, awards, benefits, lucre, booty, jobs, are handed out to the deserving–which means being present–showing up. Equal opportunity doesn’t say anything about merit or previous accomplishment–opportunities equally available, like buying a lottery ticket.

    Having been told their entire lives that the white man has blocked them every step of the way (their lottery tickets were excluded from the drawing pool), these prizes, benefits, et al., are now deserved.

  150. @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    Lincoln’s aggression against the South was in violation of the Constitution.
     
    Dunno.James Madison held that revolution was an extra-constitutional right, one that could only be invoked in response to tyranny....and the South in 1860 could hardly argue that they were being oppressed.....


    That being the case, Lincoln was perfectly justified in putting down an attempted insurrection...


    After all, the Confederacy did the same thing in East Tennessee.....

    Replies: @Opinionator

    State secession is not “insurrection.”

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    State secession is not “insurrection.”
     
    James Madison thought otherwise....
  151. @Svigor
    Yankee-Judean "logic":

    1860: we wasted hundreds of thousands of American lives, and devastated half the country's economy, but hey, they were into slavery, so it was all worth it.

    2016: we wasted trillions of dollars and thousands of lives on Iraq, but, they beat their women, they aren't nice to homos, etc., so it was all worth it.

    Maybe we'll get lucky, and they'll apply their logic to Israel.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “2016: we wasted trillions of dollars and thousands of lives on Iraq, but, they beat their women, they aren’t nice to homos, etc., so it was all worth it.

    Maybe we’ll get lucky, and they’ll apply their logic to Israel.”

    Jewish men in Israel beat their women and aren’t nice to Homos?

  152. @Jack D
    @Kek Disciple

    American blacks may be lacking in many things but one thing they are not lacking in is self-esteem, of the "we wuz kangs" variety. So Coates probably thinks that he is UNDERrated as intellectual due to racism.

    It's interesting to contrast Coates types with Asians (especially Japanese) who are taught never to brag (the blade of grass that sticks its head up gets its head cut off). So if you see an interview with a Japanese Nobel Prize winner, they are always self-effacing to a fault. Someone who has achieved real scientific and intellectual breakthroughs will say, " I didn't really accomplish very much, I don't know why I am being honored", etc. It's not even false modesty or humblebragging - it is deeply engrained in their culture never to be satisfied with yourself so that you keep pushing to accomplish more.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “American blacks may be lacking in many things but one thing they are not lacking in is self-esteem,”

    Most Black Americans believe they are a perfect 10 in the looks department.

  153. @Clyde
    If Ta-Nehisi style reparations ever come about it will be in the form of yearly payments for 10-20 years. Blacks will become the largest tribe of Casino Indians. Membership will be exclusive and subject to DNA testing. Nigerians and other African immigrants need not apply.

    Reps will be doled out on a sliding scale, depending on how much African blood you have and it must be American slave blood. President Obama and Eric Holder will not qualify.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “If Ta-Nehisi style reparations ever come about it will be in the form of yearly payments for 10-20 years. Blacks will become the largest tribe of Casino Indians. Membership will be exclusive and subject to DNA testing.”

    You say DNA testing, are we using a one drop rule here? Because if we are it’s going to open up a can of worms because the percentage of people in The U.S who would be Black under the one drop rule is a lot higher than 13 percent. The average Mexican has 6 percent Sub Saharan African DNA.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mexicans&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Autosomal_studies

    And Caribbean Hispanics have even more Sub Saharan African DNA than Mexicans.

    We can’t make the definition of Black as broad as the one drop rule when White taxpayers have to pick up the tab for this silly reparations. The definition of Black should be limited to people of PREDOMINANTLY Sub Saharan African ancestry when talking reparations. Your DNA can not be predominantly Nonblack and still get reparations. The one drop rule would make reparations even more expensive for White taxpayers, it would definitely reach well into the tens of trillions.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Jefferson


    You say DNA testing, are we using a one drop rule here? Because if we are it’s going to open up a can of worms because the percentage of people in The U.S who would be Black under the one drop rule is a lot higher than 13 percent. The average Mexican has 6 percent Sub Saharan African DNA.
     
    Hopefully we never get stuck with Repartitions with a capital R. But if we do, only blacks as dark and darker than Obama should be eligible. Obama is a straight 50/50 because we know his mother was undiluted white and father undiluted black.
    So 50% genuine African-American slave ancestry or more and you will be in like Flynn for Reparations. The greater your American slave blooded ancestry, the greater your yearly Reparations payment.
    Thus, no immigrants from Africa and Caribbean are eligible. Same for their offspring.
  154. @Jefferson
    @Clyde

    "If Ta-Nehisi style reparations ever come about it will be in the form of yearly payments for 10-20 years. Blacks will become the largest tribe of Casino Indians. Membership will be exclusive and subject to DNA testing."

    You say DNA testing, are we using a one drop rule here? Because if we are it's going to open up a can of worms because the percentage of people in The U.S who would be Black under the one drop rule is a lot higher than 13 percent. The average Mexican has 6 percent Sub Saharan African DNA.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mexicans&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Autosomal_studies

    And Caribbean Hispanics have even more Sub Saharan African DNA than Mexicans.

    We can't make the definition of Black as broad as the one drop rule when White taxpayers have to pick up the tab for this silly reparations. The definition of Black should be limited to people of PREDOMINANTLY Sub Saharan African ancestry when talking reparations. Your DNA can not be predominantly Nonblack and still get reparations. The one drop rule would make reparations even more expensive for White taxpayers, it would definitely reach well into the tens of trillions.

    Replies: @Clyde

    You say DNA testing, are we using a one drop rule here? Because if we are it’s going to open up a can of worms because the percentage of people in The U.S who would be Black under the one drop rule is a lot higher than 13 percent. The average Mexican has 6 percent Sub Saharan African DNA.

    Hopefully we never get stuck with Repartitions with a capital R. But if we do, only blacks as dark and darker than Obama should be eligible. Obama is a straight 50/50 because we know his mother was undiluted white and father undiluted black.
    So 50% genuine African-American slave ancestry or more and you will be in like Flynn for Reparations. The greater your American slave blooded ancestry, the greater your yearly Reparations payment.
    Thus, no immigrants from Africa and Caribbean are eligible. Same for their offspring.

  155. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Arclight


    One of the reasons it must sort of suck to be a black person of above average ability is the obsequious way goodwhites fawn over your every move or utterance. I would think that’s more insulting than just being ignored, although obviously there are people who enjoy the attention and ego stroking like Mr. Coates.
     
    My personal theory is that TNC, intellectually and emotionally thin-skinned enough to ban (often through zealous surrogate mods) any race realist talk in his comment section, also began to rue the diminishing emotional returns of sermonizing to white liberal virtue-signaling suckups, and became angrier over time.

    He realized that amongst (liberal) whites, he would always be something of a fetish/totem, and he’s ‘woke’ enough to catch that condescending vibe wherever he goes. Perhaps book royalties and “genius” grants bring some lukewarm comfort.

    Replies: @Arclight, @Clyde

    Dittos on what you think that Ta-Nisi thinks of his liberal white suck ups.

  156. @Opinionator
    @syonredux

    State secession is not "insurrection."

    Replies: @syonredux

    State secession is not “insurrection.”

    James Madison thought otherwise….

  157. @Svigor
    Right of conquest is all Yankee-Judeans have.

    I could respect that argument. But it's far too honest for Yankee-Judeans; the lies go all the way to the bone.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Right of conquest is all Yankee-Judeans have.

    Well, there was all that Constitutional Convention business…

    I could respect that argument. But it’s far too honest for Yankee-Judeans; the lies go all the way to the bone.

    Kind of like how Neo-Confederates aren’t honest enough to talk about slavery as the basis for secession; Neo-Confederate lies go all the way to the marrow…..

  158. @Svigor

    Dunno.James Madison held that revolution was an extra-constitutional right, one that could only be invoked in response to tyranny….and the South in 1860 could hardly argue that they were being oppressed…..

    That being the case, Lincoln was perfectly justified in putting down an attempted insurrection…

    After all, the Confederacy did the same thing in East Tennessee…..
     
    Good for James Madison. It's not for Yankee-Judeans to decide how or why others invoke their rights, though. Certainly not to invade and set off a war that killed 620,000 Americans over it. So no, Lincoln wasn't justified. May he burn in Hell.

    As for tu quoque, well, it's a fallacy for a reason. And if it isn't, hey, Yankee-Judea had slavery throughout most of their history, up to that point, so who were they to judge? "Oh, I just quit beating my wife yesterday, after beating her every day since the wedding, but you beat your wife today, a full day after I quit beating my wife, so now I'm gonna burn your house down." = Yankee-Judean "morality."

    Replies: @syonredux

    Good for James Madison. It’s not for Yankee-Judeans to decide how or why others invoke their rights, though.

    Of course, James Madison wasn’t a Yankee….

    Certainly not to invade and set off a war that killed 620,000 Americans over it.

    Certainly not to commit treason and to start a war that killed over 620,000 Americans…And all in the name of owning people as property….

    So no, Lincoln wasn’t justified. May he burn in Hell.

    So, no, Jefferson Davis wasn’t justified. May he burn in Hell.

    As for tu quoque, well, it’s a fallacy for a reason.

    Actually, it’s most effective. It reveals hypocrisy.

    And if it isn’t, hey, Yankee-Judea had slavery throughout most of their history, up to that point, so who were they to judge?

    Well, to a much lesser degree, dear fellow. For example, slavery topped out in Massachusetts at 2% of the population. Just imagine what, say, South Carolina would have been like if slaves never amounted to more than 2% of that state’s population….

    “Oh, I just quit beating my wife yesterday, after beating her every day since the wedding, but you beat your wife today, a full day after I quit beating my wife, so now

    Bit more than just yesterday, dear fellow. Check the abolition timeline.

    I’m gonna burn your house down.”

    Other way around, dear fellow. No attempt to secede, no war.

    = Yankee-Judean “morality.

    MMMM, secession in the name of owning people=Southern “morality.”

    Here’s Jefferson on what owning slaves does to a man’s morals:

    There must doubtless be an unhappy influence on the manners of our people produced by the existence of slavery among us. The whole commerce between master and slave is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other. Our children see this, and learn to imitate it; for man is an imitative animal. This quality is the germ of all education in him. From his cradle to his grave he is learning to do what he sees others do. If a parent could find no motive either in his philanthropy or his self-love, for restraining the intemperance of passion towards his slave, it should always be a sufficient one that his child is present. But generally it is not sufficient. The parent storms, the child looks on, catches the lineaments of wrath, puts on the same airs in the circle of smaller slaves, gives a loose to his worst of passions, and thus nursed, educated, and daily exercised in tyranny, cannot but be stamped by it with odious peculiarities. The man must be a prodigy who can retain his manners and morals undepraved by such circumstances.

  159. @Svigor

    I’m all for denying treatment to Gays who contract HIV…..
     
    Well, in Yankee-Judea, anyway. Anywhere else, and it's a cause for bombings, invasion, etc., right?

    Replies: @syonredux

    I’m all for denying treatment to Gays who contract HIV…..

    Well, in Yankee-Judea, anyway. Anywhere else, and it’s a cause for bombings, invasion, etc., right?

    Hey, I’m all for denying treatment to Gays with HIV all over the globe….

    If we must have Gays, they should be celibate aesthetes……

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