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From The Atlantic website:
The Enduring Myth of Black Criminality
Sep 10, 2015 | 12-part series
Video by The AtlanticIn his upcoming October cover story, Ta-Nehisi Coates explores how mass incarceration has affected African American families. “There’s a long history in this country of dealing with problems in the African American community through the criminal justice system,” he says in this animated interview. “The enduring view of African Americans in this country is as a race of people who are prone to criminality.” You can read the full story on September 15, 2015.
Authors: Ta-Nehisi Coates, Jackie Lay
So you can’t yet read TNC’s blockbuster article about “The Enduring Myth of Black Criminality,” but you can salve your impatience by listening to TNC talk about his next effusion here.
Meanwhile, from The New Republic:
The New Black Intelligentsia Is Shaping American Thought Online
by MICHAEL ERIC DYSON
… A new generation had come onto the scene, with pedigrees that didn’t include terminal degrees, but who were driving the conversation nonetheless. Between the World and Me, which currently holds the second spot on the Times’ nonfiction best-seller list, was written not by a professor but a young black thinker who did not graduate from college: Ta-Nehisi Coates. Coates established his reputation not in scholarly publications but through popular blog posts and articles for The Atlantic.
Along with Coates, a cohort of what I would like to call the “black digital intelligentsia” has emerged. They wrestle with ideas, stake out political territory, and lead, very much in the same way that my generation did, only without needing, or necessarily wanting, a home in the Ivy League—and by making their name online.
The only problem for blacks with having TNC as the face of your New Black Intelligentsia, however, is that TNC obviously isn’t exceptionally intelligent.
A feature maybe, and not a bug? No one ever got cool points for reading John Hamilton McWhorter V.
Here's a question, though: Who, among black intellectuals, would still qualify as an intellectual if he were white? McWhorter is the only one I can think of, although I'm not the most well-informed so there may be others.
It seems like there used to be many more pre-1960s. Do highly intelligent blacks get roped into non-"intellectual" fields like engineering, or is it simply that they lack the opportunity to hone their reasoning skills because it's racist to argue with them?Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JohnnyWalker123, @Jacobite, @Jason Bayz, @anon, @AndrewR
Steve your blog is essential prose for me but occasionally you get an idea in your head and won’t let it out no matter how much it bangs on the door.
Coates is annoying and tedious and, most importantly, often or usually wrong. However, I don’t think he’s stupid. He’s actually quite bright. Just a product of environment and times.
Yes, he undoubtedly has an above-average IQ. But he's not being treated as if he's actually rather bright. He's being lauded as if he's one of the Great Minds of the 21st Century, if not the entire 3rd Millennium. And yet he's not even close to being in the top 100 intellects of the present decade.Replies: @Jefferson
I’ve noticed that TNC, among others, liked to use the word “grapple” in relation to thinking about things. Is this a common parlance with social critics? The piece you linked to uses it as well. Why not just use , “think about” or “deeply relfected”, etc.
Ta Coates didn’t graduate from college, yet his stuff is just as stupid as the black “intellectuals” who not only did but have tenure from a college.
Coates should maybe go to juvenile hall, and actually study what he’s teaching about, and ask the kids if white people made them commit their crimes, or if committing crimes is more like the cool thing to do, the thing that makes the girls know you’re worth it, and he should grapple with the paradox of not wanting to be there, but wanting to have been there.
Yes -- 'institutional racism' is to black criminality in the 21st century as the Luminiferous aether was to light in the 19th century. In fact, that could be an analogy question on the new SAT.
Excellent news! It is so much fun kicking this guy around, TNC is sort of an ideological hacky-sack except he is so easy to kick that it as challenging as using a toy balloon.
How can one sort out the low IQ from the foolish lying stupid-on-purpose of a leftist?
Sorta like Yale Law grad Hillary using the “stupid defense” to defend her homebrew server.
In Hillary's defense, she really isn't very bright, as she has demonstrated time and again since the 1970s or so.
“TNC obviously isn’t exceptionally intelligent.” I compliment you, Mr iSteve, on the kindness with which you phrased that point.
I have an old friend who once chatted with me about whether there could be institutions set up for people who want to be intellectuals but just aren’t up to it. Somewhere they could shelter from life’s buffeting and devote their time partly to ways of earning a modest living, and partly to discussions with like-minded chumps while living a frugal but decent life. We agreed that at one time monasteries probably served that function for many of the monks. But I can’t see TNC being a dab hand at producing illuminated manuscripts.
And of course, commenting on blogs ;)
I have an old friend who once chatted with me about whether there could be institutions set up for people who want to be intellectuals but just aren’t up to it."
Such institutions already exist. They're called university english departments.
Right. TNC has the advantage of not having an advanced degree in Theory. He just sucks anyway.
Interesting timing. I see the alt-right as beginning to pound the crap out of Traditional Republican organization and this is spewing into the mainstream. And they are really are getting a lot of traction over the Arab migrant thing. This is really one of those “We told you so” issues, the whole “Camp of Saints” prophecy. And given the growing support of Trump, mostly based on the single issue of immigration, and how Trump read the winds and shifted to refusal for any support of Syrian migrants from the US, this a massive problem for both, moderate Republicans and the left.
So now back to the well and an attempt to attack the other key issue of the alt-right, black criminality, and the debate will shift back to ground where they can hurl “Racist” accusations. And right now they are getting their butts whipped. The alt-right comes armed loaded for bear with data and stats, and the white “allies” are getting nervous. And the pesky black crminal class isn’t cooperting with the narrative. Murder went up with a police stand down. There have been hugely public violent actions by blacks against whites or law enforcement. Libs are wondering which “ally” will be the next Kevin Sutherland or Blonde reporter to be shot? And “White Women Are Getting Fed Up” (I sure you have seen it but I posted it anyway)
And we all when the white women leave and go home, we all know it’s not a party anymore.
So the issue has to reframed that black criminality is “Just my ‘magination, runnin’ away with me”
Coates is FOS, but he at least misdirects effort and eyes away from things that are truly damaging to the Narrative items that are most dear to the hearts of money and power, migrants and cheap labor.
White female support for Hillary Clinton is in the low 30s. Hillary Clinton is more popular among Black drug dealers than she is among White suburban soccer moms, LOL.
Bullshit! That's when the real party starts!
Coates is annoying and tedious and, most importantly, often or usually wrong. However, I don't think he's stupid. He's actually quite bright. Just a product of environment and times.Replies: @Alfa158, @27 year old, @josh, @Neoconned, @Anonymous, @Unladen Swallow, @Kevin O'Keeffe
I have read his material , and more tellingly, I’ve watched his Aspen Institute panel discussion where had to think on his feet, so I think Steve has it right. Even with his handler, Jeffrey Goldberg, propping him up and a fawning audience, he was out to sea. Now he may have been distracted by the way Goldberg was so fulsome in his praise that he looked like he might drop to his knees and lunge for TNC’s zipper at any moment. I suppose that would also have me looking ldesperately for an exit, instead of trying to follow the discussion thread.
“The only problem for blacks with having TNC as the face of your New Black Intelligentsia, however, is that TNC obviously isn’t exceptionally intelligent.”
Thing is the average Sub Saharan IQ is so low that Ta-Nehisi Coates is basically Stephen Hawking by Sub Saharan standards. By White standards he is average at best.
An endorsement from Michael Eric Dyson doesn’t really carry much weight.
Back from Paris where he was doing a James Baldwin and a Dexter Gordon all rolled into one?
"You know who's going to be waiting for you at the airfield in Paris, don't you?... You."
Attempted armed gibsmedat thwarted when Lavauntai (real name, no kidding, read the link) gets shot, tragically cutting short a life that no doubt would have lead to his joining the ranks of the black intelligentsia, or becoming a doctor or nuclear physicist or astronaut.
Wish I could say I’m sorry to hear it, but that would be a damned lie.
http://kstp.com/article/stories/s3871356.shtml
Right, but public intellectuals in general don’t put out very intelligent material. That doesn’t seem to be their primary function or the reason for why they attain public intellectual status.
What’s interesting is that blacks seem to be the only group that achieves this sort of significantly disproportionate influence as public intellectuals aside from Jews. The fact that Jews have the highest average intelligence, while blacks the lowest, and that their output while monopolizing the public intelligentsia is not especially intelligent, suggests that something else is at work.
Coates is annoying and tedious and, most importantly, often or usually wrong. However, I don't think he's stupid. He's actually quite bright. Just a product of environment and times.Replies: @Alfa158, @27 year old, @josh, @Neoconned, @Anonymous, @Unladen Swallow, @Kevin O'Keeffe
He’s not bright. There’s a difference between being smart/intelligent and bright.
Please illuminate us, with respect to the nature of this distinction.
I thought of McWhorter with that line as well.
Here’s a question, though: Who, among black intellectuals, would still qualify as an intellectual if he were white? McWhorter is the only one I can think of, although I’m not the most well-informed so there may be others.
It seems like there used to be many more pre-1960s. Do highly intelligent blacks get roped into non-“intellectual” fields like engineering, or is it simply that they lack the opportunity to hone their reasoning skills because it’s racist to argue with them?
Could be. Being a politically correct Black intellectual seems rather depressing. The stereotype of Blacks is of being happy people, but Black intellectuals don't seem happy at all. Why would an intelligent young Black want to do that,(which probably doesn't pay very well) when he could work in finance instead?Replies: @Chrisnonymous
So now back to the well and an attempt to attack the other key issue of the alt-right, black criminality, and the debate will shift back to ground where they can hurl "Racist" accusations. And right now they are getting their butts whipped. The alt-right comes armed loaded for bear with data and stats, and the white "allies" are getting nervous. And the pesky black crminal class isn't cooperting with the narrative. Murder went up with a police stand down. There have been hugely public violent actions by blacks against whites or law enforcement. Libs are wondering which "ally" will be the next Kevin Sutherland or Blonde reporter to be shot? And "White Women Are Getting Fed Up" (I sure you have seen it but I posted it anyway)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL1SZTYOSBo
And we all when the white women leave and go home, we all know it's not a party anymore.
So the issue has to reframed that black criminality is "Just my 'magination, runnin' away with me"
Coates is FOS, but he at least misdirects effort and eyes away from things that are truly damaging to the Narrative items that are most dear to the hearts of money and power, migrants and cheap labor.Replies: @Jefferson, @Neil Templeton
“And we all when the white women leave and go home, we all know it’s not a party anymore.”
White female support for Hillary Clinton is in the low 30s. Hillary Clinton is more popular among Black drug dealers than she is among White suburban soccer moms, LOL.
What's interesting is that blacks seem to be the only group that achieves this sort of significantly disproportionate influence as public intellectuals aside from Jews. The fact that Jews have the highest average intelligence, while blacks the lowest, and that their output while monopolizing the public intelligentsia is not especially intelligent, suggests that something else is at work.Replies: @Steve Sailer
“Right, but public intellectuals in general don’t put out very intelligent material.”
Pinker does.
Reading Coates is like watching ¡Heb! on Colbert. Three deeply shallow self congratulatory progs.
Does either of these intellectual giants have anything to say about Chicago's Labor Day weekend of the West Indian Day parade? Neither instance is a myth. And can't blame whitey for any of it.
The comments are a thing of beauty.
The right is finding that parody is the ultimate antidote.
Logic is pointless. It’s better to say how you moved your family from the violent Whitebread suburbs to the obviously safe vibrancy of the inner city
Right, but Pinker’s primary claim to fame is his blank slate book, which is a critique of how moronic the intelligentsia in general has been and still is. If Pinker’s work was taken to heart, the intelligentsia wouldn’t be populated by morons like TNC and people who push TNC’s work.
“The Enduring Myth of Black Criminality”
The myth of Black criminality? So is Ta-Nehisi Coates trying to say that Black crime does not exist at all or that Black crime makes an up extremely minuscule percentage of overall crime in The United States?
The myth of Black criminality is like saying the myth of Muslim terrorists or the myth of Gypsy pick pocketing or the myth of Homosexual pedophile priests.
I wonder how the public came to have this view, which is surely at odds with reality? I can’t wait to read Coates’s article, in which he will present persuasive evidence of how this widespread myth is completely false and is in no way backed by the actual crime statistics, but exists purely as a result of white hatred of black bodies. I hope that’s what it will prove, because it would really make him seem pretty stupid if he were unable to refute this view with facts and he just presented us with some sort of poorly reasoned emotional appeal instead.
His finagling of crime stats should prove entertaining. What could possibly go wrong when Coates installs a copy of R on his laptop?
It’s only a matter of time before he’s awarded an honorary degree (“doctor honoris causa”). After that he’ll be able to put his dicey academic past behind him and go around as “Dr. Coates”.
Intelligentsia or Dementsia?
Here's a question, though: Who, among black intellectuals, would still qualify as an intellectual if he were white? McWhorter is the only one I can think of, although I'm not the most well-informed so there may be others.
It seems like there used to be many more pre-1960s. Do highly intelligent blacks get roped into non-"intellectual" fields like engineering, or is it simply that they lack the opportunity to hone their reasoning skills because it's racist to argue with them?Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JohnnyWalker123, @Jacobite, @Jason Bayz, @anon, @AndrewR
It could be that there has been a decline in black high-end achievement in most fields outside of sports and entertainment.
Thinking of politics, who's left to follow in Obama's footsteps? Corey Booker? There doesn't seem to be a deep bench of black pols with crossover appeal.Replies: @AshTon, @Anonymous
During segregation men like Langston Hughes felt a duty not to minstrel it up for White entertainment. But the combined collapse of the Black family and thus Church, along with ending segregation ends the duty to avoid the riches being a minstrel buffoon.
Kanye West has a lot of money. Coates would like that money. Hence the minstrelsy.
Coates exists so liberal Whites can laugh at him. He is the intellectual Kanye West.
Bush and intelllgence? He obviously inherited his fathers dyslexia. Average intelligence but not bright.
Another real public intellectual that iSteve fans would like might be Jonathan Haidt, although he’s probably not as well known as Pinker.
I have an old friend who once chatted with me about whether there could be institutions set up for people who want to be intellectuals but just aren't up to it. Somewhere they could shelter from life's buffeting and devote their time partly to ways of earning a modest living, and partly to discussions with like-minded chumps while living a frugal but decent life. We agreed that at one time monasteries probably served that function for many of the monks. But I can't see TNC being a dab hand at producing illuminated manuscripts.Replies: @International Jew, @Jacobite, @Brutusale, @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon
Blogging! (Which is not to say that there aren’t *some* bloggers actually worth reading!)
And of course, commenting on blogs 😉
I’m going to predict a theme about blacks needing to soar, about proud, vast spirits, constantly being wounded by petty and often meaningless ‘norms’ of white society, leading to frustration, anger and noncompliance (what everyone one else in our society calls ‘criminality’). The answer, of course, is for the rest of society to tolerate even more black social pathology. I can also see educated and successful black people reading Coates’, reflecting on some of their own neighbors and relatives and saying to themselves, ‘Oh, hell no.’
“It could be that there has been a decline in black high-end achievement in most fields outside of sports and entertainment.”
It has gotten so bad that Blacks have to claim triple digit IQ people from other races and say they were actually really light skin “Blacks” who just happen to look White and were passing for White like Ludwig Van Beethoven and Abraham Lincoln for example.
There are simply not enough dark as midnight triple digit IQ Black intellectuals for them to look up to. That is why they have to falsely claim ancient Rome for example as a Black society, because real actual Black societies like The Congo and Kenya never accomplished crap.
At this point I’m pretty bored with HBD hatestats, but Five Thirty Eight managed to startle me all over again with this graphic:
As my annoying Millennial brethren like to say, “This One Chart Proves…”
One way to broach the uncomfortable subject of black criminality is to start by talking about how, even if you control for demographics, America is more violent than Europe. (Wilson would do this all the time.) And if you present the statistics in a certain way American whites do look remarkably violent. But it’s easy to convey that impression because the violent crime rate (especially the homicide rate) is so low in so many European countries. “The homicide rate of American whites is more than 3x greater than the Swiss rate!” Well, yes, but the Swiss rate is a virtually nonexistent 0.7 per 100k… In reality, white America might as well be Finland in regards to violent crime.
Steve, do you consider it a feature or a bug that your posts, articles, and insights are evergreen, because they axiomatically cannot get absorbed by the MSM? You get to recycle a lot of material, but it must get exasperatingly tedious.
Finns have one of these three strikes against them (binge drinking) so their rate of violence is a little higher than white Frenchmen or Spainairds, but lower than Russians and Albanians.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Jefferson
either
a) black relatively recent hunter gatherers
or
b) hispanic relatively recent hunter gatherers
or
c) white baltic relatively recent hunter gatherers
But Kay Hymowitz beat him to the punch:
http://www.city-journal.org/2015/25_3_incarceration.html
My guess is he’ll deny blackness exists. Once you eliminate the category all the statistics about the category are illegitimate.
His finagling of crime stats should prove entertaining. What could possibly go wrong when Coates installs a copy of R on his laptop?
Just like Samuel Johnson and James Murray!
I agree with the Coatimundi. There is no black crime problem. It is just a myth. Release all the blacks in prison, end stop and frisk and all forms of aggressive policing. Let blacks run wild in Liberal cities with smiley faces. And let the good times roll.
I can dig it.
I have an old friend who once chatted with me about whether there could be institutions set up for people who want to be intellectuals but just aren't up to it. Somewhere they could shelter from life's buffeting and devote their time partly to ways of earning a modest living, and partly to discussions with like-minded chumps while living a frugal but decent life. We agreed that at one time monasteries probably served that function for many of the monks. But I can't see TNC being a dab hand at producing illuminated manuscripts.Replies: @International Jew, @Jacobite, @Brutusale, @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon
I believe that the Daily Kos serves that function today.
We may be past the peak of post-Civil Rights black achievement. Think of corporate America, for example, which used to include prominent black CEOs such as Don Thompson (McDonald’s), Stan O’Neal (Merrill Lynch), Dick Parsons (Citigroup, Time Warner), and Ken Chenault (American Express). Of those, only Ken Chenault is still CEO of a major company (American Express). Dick Parsons is the interim chief exec of the LA Clippers, and who knows what the others are up to now.
Thinking of politics, who’s left to follow in Obama’s footsteps? Corey Booker? There doesn’t seem to be a deep bench of black pols with crossover appeal.
Per the graphic, that should be “death rate by homicide of American whites,” which actually bolsters the point.
Here's a question, though: Who, among black intellectuals, would still qualify as an intellectual if he were white? McWhorter is the only one I can think of, although I'm not the most well-informed so there may be others.
It seems like there used to be many more pre-1960s. Do highly intelligent blacks get roped into non-"intellectual" fields like engineering, or is it simply that they lack the opportunity to hone their reasoning skills because it's racist to argue with them?Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JohnnyWalker123, @Jacobite, @Jason Bayz, @anon, @AndrewR
Sowell.
Haidt’s article about micro aggressions was pretty good: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/
Parsons was actually non-executive chairman of Citigroup, not CEO.
The CEO of Xerox is also black (and female).
The ‘Round Midnight’ allusion should perhaps be to Lester Young, on whom Dexter Gordon’s character, Dale, is based. TNC should note the line where Hershell says to Dale:
“You know who’s going to be waiting for you at the airfield in Paris, don’t you?… You.”
Coates originally comes to peoples attention of a wider audience as a blogger who was very good at moderating his comments section. So it is too bad he stopped the thing he was best at, moderator.
This is the best written ‘black’ stuff.
BlackAgendaReport.com
Coates is annoying and tedious and, most importantly, often or usually wrong. However, I don't think he's stupid. He's actually quite bright. Just a product of environment and times.Replies: @Alfa158, @27 year old, @josh, @Neoconned, @Anonymous, @Unladen Swallow, @Kevin O'Keeffe
He seems a less gifted thinker than I am, and I’m just some guy.
Thinking of politics, who's left to follow in Obama's footsteps? Corey Booker? There doesn't seem to be a deep bench of black pols with crossover appeal.Replies: @AshTon, @Anonymous
In the corporate world, there is Ursala Burns of Xerox, who is known for firing people and freezing salaries. Except of course, the salaries of the top execs.
Hit “disagree” button by mistake.
There are no people on earth that want blacks to succeed more than American whites. Now these people of good will are getting lied to and insulted right to their face. Not a good way to treat your friends or to keep them as friends.
TNC’s argument about the “myth of black criminality” will probably center on drug busts, since it is true that drug laws tend to be enforced more in black hoods than white ones. He’s got a point there, even though drugs lead to other crimes, including homicides (e.g., Baltimore), and black people in black hoods want drug laws enforced, they don’t want to have to deal with druggies on every corner and park bench.
(I am actually in favor of leniency for many drug offenses, but that wouldn’t help the black community much, since it would remove a major sanction from drug use, and needless to say drug use is not positively correlated with success.)
I do not expect TNC to talk much about comparative statistics of black vs. white violent crime stats, including murder and rape, but what I do expect him to do is highlight white lynchings of blacks, and white sexual relations with black women, to offset those rates and to underscore the essental identity of criminality among races. In other words he will put for a “whatabout” argument contrasting 2015 rates of murder and rape and contrast those with ante bellum South narratives of the rape and murder of slaves.
Any lingering criminality in the black community will be ascribed to the systemic racism of Amerika that forces AA’s to live in impoverished ghettoes, and then there will be a saxophone riff about red lining, Chicago, and people who think they are white.
TNC is above average in intelligence. What he lacks, intellectually, is any real skill in associating ideas or synthesizing concepts or narrative structure. This is why he “grapples” with ideas, instead of “grasping” them. The other thing he lacks, and this is his biggest flaw, is that he is astonishingly ignorant. He really ought to get a serious syllabus from a serious group of profs and read books for 5 or 10 years. But of course he cannot do that, bills to pay, wife and son to focus on. I can’t blame him for that, but that pretty much ensures that his growth will remain stunted.
Is it really?
In my experience, White retail drug dealers conduct sales primarily in their homes (or they visit the homes of their customers, in effect providing a delivery service), and primarily sell to people with whom they have some ongoing social relationship, such as having been friends since high school, or whatnot. Whereas Black retail drug dealers sell to anyone, often strangers, and they generally do so in the street, or otherwise in public. If White retail drug dealers tried to sell to strangers on the streets of American suburbia, they'd be arrested within the hour.Replies: @Anonymous
Dry as flint. A perfectly absurd comparison. Hilarious.
Here's a question, though: Who, among black intellectuals, would still qualify as an intellectual if he were white? McWhorter is the only one I can think of, although I'm not the most well-informed so there may be others.
It seems like there used to be many more pre-1960s. Do highly intelligent blacks get roped into non-"intellectual" fields like engineering, or is it simply that they lack the opportunity to hone their reasoning skills because it's racist to argue with them?Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JohnnyWalker123, @Jacobite, @Jason Bayz, @anon, @AndrewR
Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas certainly fit that bill.
edit: JohnnyWalker beat me to it on Sowell.
http://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-America-History-Thomas-Sowell/dp/0465020755
Highly recommended.Replies: @Jacobite
Thinking of politics, who's left to follow in Obama's footsteps? Corey Booker? There doesn't seem to be a deep bench of black pols with crossover appeal.Replies: @AshTon, @Anonymous
The strategy has changed. Black achievement is no longer a goal. Foreigners are here and are pushing very hard against blacks. The new strategy is to direct and increase black anger, frustrations, hostility, and resentment toward whites to get a race war going. Coates has become a media personality solely to stir and churn up black emotions against whites. You don’t have to be a brain surgeon or even a high school graduate to see it.
In defense of Coates, he’s probably a little smarter than our former president George W. Bush. Remember, most whites supported Bush in 2000 and 2004.
I don't think Texas has many Indian reservations so Bush probably knew enough as Governor to know the smarmy editor dude was looking to trip him up, and just fillibustered for a while, albeit badly.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Reg Cæsar
Why does this site insist on downloading the entire Library of Congress whenever I click on it? I have a 1MBS download; I’m in the country, can’t get anything faster. Can the unctuous Unz clean it up and just download the important stuff and not all the other shit he feels is so important?
I have an old friend who once chatted with me about whether there could be institutions set up for people who want to be intellectuals but just aren't up to it. Somewhere they could shelter from life's buffeting and devote their time partly to ways of earning a modest living, and partly to discussions with like-minded chumps while living a frugal but decent life. We agreed that at one time monasteries probably served that function for many of the monks. But I can't see TNC being a dab hand at producing illuminated manuscripts.Replies: @International Jew, @Jacobite, @Brutusale, @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon
I doubt that the modern intelligentsia could produce the excellent beer that the monks make.
TNC bashathon! 100% OT
**** Prolly couldn’t dupe any high powered lawyer into taking her on, on a contingency basis. Her Reddit fiasco make her more dubious as a client. So no lawyer would lower his fees due to her having “fame” to enhance his legal career.
I can dig it.Replies: @Boomstick
Also, everyone is missing the boat on an arbitrage opportunity for black urban real estate with perfectly normal crime rates.
Whether or not one thinks of Coates as especially intelligent, the fact remains is that he has found his professional niche and as long as he gets paid and has slobbering adulation from the elites, its not in his interest to explore new ground or to consider other points of view. He’s found a good pasture (or hustle) and is going to keep grazing there as long as he can.
Coates is annoying and tedious and, most importantly, often or usually wrong. However, I don't think he's stupid. He's actually quite bright. Just a product of environment and times.Replies: @Alfa158, @27 year old, @josh, @Neoconned, @Anonymous, @Unladen Swallow, @Kevin O'Keeffe
I disagree. I have been around several high IQ blacks, and Tanisha would be lucky to break 100. This is based on seeing him speak and interact on youtube videos, and not just his heavily edited writing. Does someone with a high IQ publicly admit to not knowing who St Augustine is? No, because anyone above double digits realizes how stupid that admission makes them appear.
Since we're on the subject, I think we do have a serious social problem in high IQ people not owning up to their errors and voids of ignorance. What else is there to account for kicking the beehive in Libya after Iraq had shown the folly of lifting the lid off of secular Arab dictatorships, or continuing to meddle in Syria against both Assad and ISIS in favor of a chimerical "moderate" faction that's largely encamped in Germany now, to the extent it existed at all. If they never learn from anything because admitting you didn't already know something is a sign of stupidity, our high IQ leaders might as well be dumb.Replies: @SPMoore8
While in college I met a girl from the PRC who was taking a class with me. I got to know her because she had trouble with the language and would ask to see my notes after class to make sure she recorded the lecture correctly. Towards the end of the semester she told me that when she informed her friends that she was going to the US to attend school, they told her to find out where the whites lived and then to get an apartment in that area. I guess the myth of black criminality had even reached the PRC.
Here's a question, though: Who, among black intellectuals, would still qualify as an intellectual if he were white? McWhorter is the only one I can think of, although I'm not the most well-informed so there may be others.
It seems like there used to be many more pre-1960s. Do highly intelligent blacks get roped into non-"intellectual" fields like engineering, or is it simply that they lack the opportunity to hone their reasoning skills because it's racist to argue with them?Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JohnnyWalker123, @Jacobite, @Jason Bayz, @anon, @AndrewR
Do highly intelligent blacks get roped into non-”intellectual” fields like engineering, or is it simply that they lack the opportunity to hone their reasoning skills because it’s racist to argue with them?
Could be. Being a politically correct Black intellectual seems rather depressing. The stereotype of Blacks is of being happy people, but Black intellectuals don’t seem happy at all. Why would an intelligent young Black want to do that,(which probably doesn’t pay very well) when he could work in finance instead?
Thinking the Wayans brother prisoner on “In Living Color”using very big words badly.
Does either of these intellectual giants have anything to say about Chicago’s Labor Day weekend of the West Indian Day parade? Neither instance is a myth. And can’t blame whitey for any of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdimK1onR4oReplies: @Former Darfur, @ben tillman, @Boomstick
GWB’s problem is not that he cannot think but that he strongly prefers not to. TNC’s problem is that he would like to think, does think, but is not very good at it. Plus which, successful thinking would lead to answers that would be unpleasant for the side he’s on.
The reason that Bush prefers not to think is because thinking is hard for him. He's stupid. That's very evident in every aspect of his presidency - debates, interviews, being manipulated by advisors, lack of substantive understanding of any issue, chronic mismanagement, etc. Smart people like to think, dumb people don't. Especially when placed in a position like the presidency, any smart person would've risen to the occasion.
People here like to talk about the dumbing down of America and its link to low IQ. While Coates is an example of that, he's a minor figure. More than any major public individual I've seen in my lifetime, Bush is the ultimate personification of idiocracy.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Salty, @Former Darfur
A genuine black ‘intellectual’ would know that its all over. The Civil Rights Era has come and gone. That the past 50 years was the ‘Golden Age’ of the American negro and demographic change and economic decline will return the negro to his rightful place in American society and there is nothing to be done about it. This country is no longer rich enough to subsidize 40 million blacks with middle class lifestyles and a shrinking percentage of the population has any historical connection to black historical grievances.
The engine of black prosperity has been government spending and that engine is broken. At the local, state and federal level pension obligations and healthcare costs are going to eat away at a thousand line items in agency budgets that were the bread and butter of the negro middle class. LA is laying the ground work for a city where people walk, bicycle or take a bus to get where they are going. Its being sold as ‘people friendly’ but what it really means is LA is sliding back into the Third World. Daddy didn’t take the T-Bird away, daddy can’t afford a T-Bird for himself much less his kids! Chicago’s school district is on the verge of collapse. It has a budget hole of $500 million and there is no more money to be had anywhere. When the economy is growing ( if you believe) at two percent and state and local governments have to pay more than that to borrow money… its over! The United States is growing poorer and, what is worse, the Latino population is going to be demanding their fair share of the remaining black sinecures and the rules blacks made to carve these niches out for themselves will be ruthlessly applied to cull them from them.
if white people made them commit their crimes
Yes — ‘institutional racism’ is to black criminality in the 21st century as the Luminiferous aether was to light in the 19th century. In fact, that could be an analogy question on the new SAT.
Looks like TNC has penned another Onion article, good for him.
“Of the estimated 1,079,000 felons convicted in state courts in 2004, the vast majority (95%) of those sentenced for a felony pleaded guilty. ”
It’ll be interesting to see how Mr. Coates deals with that one.
Paul Harvey. Andy Rooney. Jimmy Carter. Anthony Kennedy. Colin Cowherd. Truman Capote. Jay Leno. David Letterman. George Clooney. Clint Eastwood. George Lucas. Ed Witten.
They all have something in common with every current person who is famous for espousing ideas that prove they are not “exceptionally intelligent.” If you are pro-choice, future generations will despise and contemn your pretensions to concern and intelligence: race and education and self-boosting numerical cleverness will be as trivial as the extra decks of cards legendarily stashed in the Titanic’s lifeboats to pass the time waiting for gentlemanly rescue on the big blue sea. Poor Mr Coates does not understand that Spike Lee has made bunches of movies allegorically decrying societal coldness to short people; an artist can get away with silence and tricks because we usually suspect they would have, if braver, said the right things in a brave way: non-artists like the guys I listed above, and like many other people, do not know that future generations will not cut them that slack, and will look at their “socially conscious” but clearly non-artistic silence on abortion and on the pro-white black/white abortion ratios and say they were cold fools, each and every one. At least Spike Lee gets warm and emotional about the slights to short people. That being said, getting emotional about slights to people one cares about can be an admirable trait, in proportion … but … sometimes you just show the cold-hearted limits on who you can be bothered to care about.
The myth of Black criminality? So is Ta-Nehisi Coates trying to say that Black crime does not exist at all or that Black crime makes an up extremely minuscule percentage of overall crime in The United States?
The myth of Black criminality is like saying the myth of Muslim terrorists or the myth of Gypsy pick pocketing or the myth of Homosexual pedophile priests.Replies: @Chrisnonymous
No. There is a difference between “black crime” and “black criminality.” It’s going to be an article about how white people think blacks are prone to committing crime by nature whereas in fact they driven to it by the white man. Yawn.
The single biggest victim group of black youth gangs are 13 year old black girls.
The second biggest are the black kids who want to learn something at school.
The Sharptons and the Jacksons and the Coates earn their 30 pieces of silver.
White violent crime rates are mostly a function of communism, propensity to binge drink, and Muslim religion.
Finns have one of these three strikes against them (binge drinking) so their rate of violence is a little higher than white Frenchmen or Spainairds, but lower than Russians and Albanians.
Finns have one of these three strikes against them (binge drinking) so their rate of violence is a little higher than white Frenchmen or Spainairds, but lower than Russians and Albanians."
So the blond haired Finns are more violent than the dark brown haired/black haired Spaniards.
That chart shows homicide “death rate,” which I take to mean that if a white person is killed by a black person, the “United States, white” ticker goes up. Which means that the whole chart is basically meaningless. What you want to compare to Switzerland, for example, is a chart showing white-on-white homicides.
“A genuine black ‘intellectual’ would know that its all over.”
Indeed it is all over for Black America. There are more Black kids in this country living in poverty than there are White kids. I am not just talking percentage wise, but also in pure raw numbers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/us/black-children-poverty-pew-research-center.html?_r=0
A higher poverty rate in pure raw numbers despite making up only 13 percent of the U.S population.
The poverty rate in Black America is high from both a quantity standpoint and a per capita standpoint. That is all bad.
Could be. Being a politically correct Black intellectual seems rather depressing. The stereotype of Blacks is of being happy people, but Black intellectuals don't seem happy at all. Why would an intelligent young Black want to do that,(which probably doesn't pay very well) when he could work in finance instead?Replies: @Chrisnonymous
I don’t think it’s a black thing. Being depressed or unhappy or pessimistic seems to come with the territory of public discourse. Socrates was pretty circumspect about offing himself.
Sorry, but the fact is that the majority of white voters selected a president candidate who was of subpar intellect. That reflects very badly on White-Americans.
The reason that Bush prefers not to think is because thinking is hard for him. He’s stupid. That’s very evident in every aspect of his presidency – debates, interviews, being manipulated by advisors, lack of substantive understanding of any issue, chronic mismanagement, etc. Smart people like to think, dumb people don’t. Especially when placed in a position like the presidency, any smart person would’ve risen to the occasion.
People here like to talk about the dumbing down of America and its link to low IQ. While Coates is an example of that, he’s a minor figure. More than any major public individual I’ve seen in my lifetime, Bush is the ultimate personification of idiocracy.
Indeed, listening to his speech patterns when being interviewed in an unscripted environment, one detects a remarkable similarity to those of a particular (female) pop singer of about the same age. I don't want to name her, but I've met her several time and had a couple of five to ten minute conversations with her, and so have a feel on how she thinks and then speaks. She isn't a genius, but she is pretty bright, when given a little time to think. She pauses a lot and searches, briefly for words that most of us don't. I hold that in both cases the cause is identical: a period of time, post-adolescence, of substantial substance abuse, now long ended. In Bush's case, cocaine and alcohol: in hers, cocaine and opoids, and I wouldn't rule out a little methamphetamine or LSD here and there. And certainly some pot in both cases.
A system that picks GW Bush as a presidential candidate is, of course, dysfunctional and in the long run doomed, but that does not in and of itself mean he is necessarily stupid.
Probably the dumbest President we have had in modern times was Gerald Ford, and he wasn't really all that dumb as compared to the general population: nor was he a specially bad President-nor was he specially good. Either way, he had the character and decency to pardon Nixon despite the consequences to him personally, which he well understood, because he (correctly or otherwise) believed it good for the nation.
Probably the dumbest "serious" candidate for President (i.e., discounting Cynthia McKinney and a couple of others of similar stature) we have had in modern times was Ted Kennedy. Ted was dumber than a post, clearly quite a bit dumber than his brothers Bobby and Jack. And had it not been for a certain incident involving water, alcohol, an Oldsmobile and a female campaign worker, Ted would almost certainly have been elected President. In fact, had he been a little less fat and less (otherwise) scandal-ridden he might well have dethroned Jiminy Carter, a sitting president, for the Democratic nomination in 1980.Replies: @Jefferson, @Boomstick, @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123
Mongoloids know all about the black crime rate, black personality. We left Africa and put the Caucasoids between us and them. The greatest real estate transaction of all time.
Finns have one of these three strikes against them (binge drinking) so their rate of violence is a little higher than white Frenchmen or Spainairds, but lower than Russians and Albanians.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Jefferson
Albanians are very bad news in general.
This is one reason that Germany is rejecting 99% of asylum applications from the Balkans. Another reason: Gypsies.
My experience of black people is in comparison with the lower end of the white demographic so in terms of being impulsively violent, criminally-minded meatheads (between mid-teens to mid-twenties) the gap wasn’t as big as other people have experienced.
The two big differences were
1) much lower monogamy – and this matters as a lot of random violence revolves around that
2) low but much higher frequency of “killers” i.e. people who are inclined to settle disputes with a lethal weapon i.e. white maybe 1-2%, black 4-8% – something like that – still a small percentage of the total population but critical in terms of how things play out on the ground.
I expect this is genetic (MAOA?) and could be figured out but unfortunately no-one will try.
Maryland is the richest state in the nation by median income. It has the 3rd highest murder rate in the nation. It's homicide rate of 7.3 per 100,000 ranks it alongside countries like Pakistan (7.7) and Chad (7.3). Maryland has 3rd highest percentage of blacks in the nation at 29.4%Replies: @anon
Ethnic America was quite good.
Highly recommended.
Here's a question, though: Who, among black intellectuals, would still qualify as an intellectual if he were white? McWhorter is the only one I can think of, although I'm not the most well-informed so there may be others.
It seems like there used to be many more pre-1960s. Do highly intelligent blacks get roped into non-"intellectual" fields like engineering, or is it simply that they lack the opportunity to hone their reasoning skills because it's racist to argue with them?Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JohnnyWalker123, @Jacobite, @Jason Bayz, @anon, @AndrewR
Sowell
Finns have one of these three strikes against them (binge drinking) so their rate of violence is a little higher than white Frenchmen or Spainairds, but lower than Russians and Albanians.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Jefferson
“White violent crime rates are mostly a function of communism, propensity to binge drink, and Muslim religion.
Finns have one of these three strikes against them (binge drinking) so their rate of violence is a little higher than white Frenchmen or Spainairds, but lower than Russians and Albanians.”
So the blond haired Finns are more violent than the dark brown haired/black haired Spaniards.
The reason that Bush prefers not to think is because thinking is hard for him. He's stupid. That's very evident in every aspect of his presidency - debates, interviews, being manipulated by advisors, lack of substantive understanding of any issue, chronic mismanagement, etc. Smart people like to think, dumb people don't. Especially when placed in a position like the presidency, any smart person would've risen to the occasion.
People here like to talk about the dumbing down of America and its link to low IQ. While Coates is an example of that, he's a minor figure. More than any major public individual I've seen in my lifetime, Bush is the ultimate personification of idiocracy.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Salty, @Former Darfur
My point is that American public life gets dumb down far too much, regardless of race. Dumb blacks get far too much attention, but so do dumb whites. It’s comical to act as if whites consistently have to clear high hurdles if they want to become public figures, especially after 8 years of W. Bush.
George W. Bush was the son of George H.W. Bush, which is the only reason he became Governor of Texas, let alone the President. Otherwise, he probably would've wound up the Assistant Manager of a muffler shop. The fact that being the son of the most powerful man in the word (from 1989-1993), and a scion of one of the most powerful families in 20th century America, does confer potentially enormous advantages upon a given individual, does not exactly negate the idea of a generalized tendency towards meritocracy in a single fell swoop. Frankly, your attempt to make that argument, makes you appear quite foolish.Replies: @Jefferson
I have an old friend who once chatted with me about whether there could be institutions set up for people who want to be intellectuals but just aren't up to it. Somewhere they could shelter from life's buffeting and devote their time partly to ways of earning a modest living, and partly to discussions with like-minded chumps while living a frugal but decent life. We agreed that at one time monasteries probably served that function for many of the monks. But I can't see TNC being a dab hand at producing illuminated manuscripts.Replies: @International Jew, @Jacobite, @Brutusale, @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon
You’ve just described my old college town, and many others I think.
That’s where you’ll find them, mixing lattes or waiting tables in between anti-anything rallies and discussions about “film.” Some have useless liberal arts degrees, some never finished, and some just wandered into town the last time the Grateful Dead came through.
They all think jokes like Coates are serious stuff.
They live a sheltered life and provide a constant flow of rent for the landlords, as generation after generation of smarter students pass through on their way to adulthood.
Haidt is good – he’s actually trying to explain the world.
Try different browsers, and add Ghostery to cut down on trackers, too.
Fernando Aguirre writes really vividly about crime in post collapse Argentina, but I hadn’t seen a real statistic to verify it until you posted this chart. http://www.themodernsurvivalist.com/
The thing about charts like that is they’re mostly proportional to
either
a) black relatively recent hunter gatherers
or
b) hispanic relatively recent hunter gatherers
or
c) white baltic relatively recent hunter gatherers
Kind of the opposite, actually. In a rich city, space is too valuable to use for car storage. New York had always been the richest US city and only a tiny percentage have ever been rich enough that storing their car is worth more to them than other people’s apartments or offices.
“No. There is a difference between “black crime” and “black criminality.” It’s going to be an article about how white people think blacks are prone to committing crime by nature whereas in fact they driven to it by the white man. Yawn.”
Why does the White man not drive Asians in the U.S to commit a disproportionate amount of crime? After all Chinese and Japanese immigrants who came to the U.S in the early 20th Century were treated like garbage second class citizens by the White majority. There were Japanese internment camps in the U.S and there used to be mom & pop Caucasian businesses that had signs like No Chinese Allowed.
It'll be interesting to see how Mr. Coates deals with that one.Replies: @Ivy
The conviction rate is significantly higher than the average television watcher would guess. In general, if defendants go to trial they are the odds-on favorite to lose. That simple fact has been demonstrated for generations in jurisdictions all over the country, but may have escaped the notice of high school Social Studies teachers or journalists, for example.
From what I’ve seen TNC’s popularity seems to come mainly from Millennial white liberals who desperately want a “smart” black who says all the right anti-white things but is otherwise like them. Someone who watched the same cartoons, played the same video games, and listened to the same music. The kind of person who will argue to the letter about how much the Michael Bay Transformers movies are a terrible insult to the cartoon.
I don’t think blacks care about the guy at all.
You just discussed this type of man.
The two big differences were
1) much lower monogamy - and this matters as a lot of random violence revolves around that
2) low but much higher frequency of "killers" i.e. people who are inclined to settle disputes with a lethal weapon i.e. white maybe 1-2%, black 4-8% - something like that - still a small percentage of the total population but critical in terms of how things play out on the ground.
I expect this is genetic (MAOA?) and could be figured out but unfortunately no-one will try.Replies: @Jefferson, @red pills yummy
“My experience of black people is in comparison with the lower end of the white demographic so in terms of being impulsively violent, criminally-minded meatheads (between mid-teens to mid-twenties) the gap wasn’t as big as other people have experienced.
The two big differences were
1) much lower monogamy – and this matters as a lot of random violence revolves around that
2) low but much higher frequency of “killers” i.e. people who are inclined to settle disputes with a lethal weapon i.e. white maybe 1-2%, black 4-8% – something like that – still a small percentage of the total population but critical in terms of how things play out on the ground.
I expect this is genetic (MAOA?) and could be figured out but unfortunately no-one will try.”
If there is no huge gap between the White underclass and the Black underclass in terms of violent crime rates, than White trash meth towns in states like West Virginia and Kentucky should have per capita homicide rates similar to that of Baltimore and Memphis for example. But they don’t.
What’s next are you going to say that there is no large gap between the Orthodox/Hasidic Jewish underclass who live on welfare and Blacks when it comes to committing violent crimes.
“Albanians are very bad news in general.”
Albanians dominate the hooker slave trade in Europe. The BBC are making a drama series about an undercover cop infiltrating it but changed them to Armenians cos PC somehow.
It’s the same with Roma always being Romanians when it’s anything bad – I wonder how PC types always know what a group’s relative rank is on the PC totem pole?
As far as I’m aware there’s no actual list so they must know instinctively somehow.
When did the New Republic go from being neoliberalism + Israel uber alles to neoliberalism + Salon-style identity politics?
On March 9, 2012 Chris Hughes, co-founder of Facebook, announced that he would become the majority owner of TNR and immediately act as the Editor-in-Chief.
Under Hughes, the magazine has become less focused on "The Beltway," with more cultural coverage and attention to visuals. It also stopped running an editorial in every issue. There has also been attention to what media observers have described as a less uniformly pro-Israel tone in its coverage (which was a hallmark of Marty Peretz's ownership).
On December 4, 2014, it was announced that Gabriel Snyder, previously of Gawker and Bloomberg, would replace Franklin Foer as editor, and that the print edition of TNR would be reduced to ten issues a year. At the same time, a letter of resignation was signed by ten contributing editors—Paul Berman, Jonathan Chait, William Deresiewicz, Ruth Franklin, Anthony Grafton, Enrique Krauze, Ryan Lizza, Sacha Z. Scoblic, Helen Vendler, Sean Wilentz, and sent to Chris Hughes. Longtime contributor and the current literary editor of TNR, Leon Wieseltier, also resigned in protest to the changes being made at the magazine by Hughes and CEO Guy Vidra. Vidra, formerly of Yahoo!, described the new direction of the magazine to be as a "vertically integrated digital media company."
Vox is an outlet for Ezra Klein to get his Salonista freak on, since he was constrained at WaPo.
Coates is annoying and tedious and, most importantly, often or usually wrong. However, I don't think he's stupid. He's actually quite bright. Just a product of environment and times.Replies: @Alfa158, @27 year old, @josh, @Neoconned, @Anonymous, @Unladen Swallow, @Kevin O'Keeffe
No, the guy is totally dumb. It is quite obvious that he is congenitally incapable of understanding relatively simple concepts like “standard deviation.”
There’s a definite link between testosterone and criminality. The other factor is IQ. A third factor would be what I’d call impulse control. Most criminals are low-IQ, high-testosterone, and impulsive.
http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada
Noah Smith. https://twitter.com/noahpinion/status/617806120455962624
On any given year the number of homicide victims in the U.S regardless of race who are murdered by a Black male perpetrator is significantly higher than the number of people who died on 9/11.
Americans regardless of race statistically have a higher chance of being murdered by a Black man on any given year than they do of being a victim of a terrorist attack.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-racial-reality-of-policing-1441390980rbing
I was struck by the similarities between events in Baltimore and those portrayed by the video about the lead up to the Spanish Civil War:
“The police stood by and did nothing during the riots” (loosely paraphrased.)
And she was plucked out of an engineering department to become assistant to the CEO. Must be nice. I’m not familiar with her career, but her big move, going into IT services by purchasing ACS, seems to have been a flop.
The CEO of Xerox is also black (and female).Replies: @Anonymous
Xerox peaked in 1973. It has been a downhill ride ever since.
Albanians dominate the hooker slave trade in Europe. The BBC are making a drama series about an undercover cop infiltrating it but changed them to Armenians cos PC somehow.It's the same with Roma always being Romanians when it's anything bad - I wonder how PC types always know what a group's relative rank is on the PC totem pole?As far as I'm aware there's no actual list so they must know instinctively somehow.Replies: @Jefferson
“Albanians dominate the hooker slave trade in Europe. The BBC are making a drama series about an undercover cop infiltrating it but changed them to Armenians cos PC somehow.”
Albanians are Muslims and the BBC does not want to portray Muslim men as being ruthless pimps who treat prostitutes like second class citizens. Armenians are Christians so it okay to portray them in a negative light.
I bet Hollywood would feel extremely uncomfortable disproportionately portraying my people the Italians as being criminals at a much higher rate than we actually are in real life, if we were a Muslim ethnic group and not a Catholic ethnic group, there would probably be no mafia films about Italians.
Read all of it not just the first paragraph.
Manhattan has about 23 square miles of land area and a population density of about 72,000 per square mile. Los Angeles has a population density of about 7800 per square mile. Taking a taxi to get around the 500 plus square miles of Los Angeles and its many other incorporated municipalities is just not feasible.San Francisco has about 15000 people per square mile but I wouldn’t want to have to walk or bike to get around its 49 square miles. To go from Montgomery St. to the top of Nob Hill is only a mile or so but its all uphill and a rather steep gradient at that.
The Enduring Myth of Black Intellectualism.
Judging from the video promo at the Atlantic site Coates will be arguing that the current black crime rate is artificially inflated by the inclusion of the arrest of Frederick Douglas for learning to read and fugitive slaves for escaping.
Oh No you’re far more than that
The reason that Bush prefers not to think is because thinking is hard for him. He's stupid. That's very evident in every aspect of his presidency - debates, interviews, being manipulated by advisors, lack of substantive understanding of any issue, chronic mismanagement, etc. Smart people like to think, dumb people don't. Especially when placed in a position like the presidency, any smart person would've risen to the occasion.
People here like to talk about the dumbing down of America and its link to low IQ. While Coates is an example of that, he's a minor figure. More than any major public individual I've seen in my lifetime, Bush is the ultimate personification of idiocracy.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Salty, @Former Darfur
His policies were deplorable, but his intellect was subpar in relation to what standard, exactly? Do you mean subnormal? Below 100?
Yeah, it’s just weird how they all seem to know the hierarchy without it being listed somewhere.
The two big differences were
1) much lower monogamy - and this matters as a lot of random violence revolves around that
2) low but much higher frequency of "killers" i.e. people who are inclined to settle disputes with a lethal weapon i.e. white maybe 1-2%, black 4-8% - something like that - still a small percentage of the total population but critical in terms of how things play out on the ground.
I expect this is genetic (MAOA?) and could be figured out but unfortunately no-one will try.Replies: @Jefferson, @red pills yummy
West Virginia is the 2nd poorest state in the nation by median income. It ranks 32nd in homicide rate (i.e. only 18 states are safer). It’s homicide rate of 3.0 per 100,000 is only barely above that of Norway (2.2). 3.5% of West Virginia’s population is black.
Maryland is the richest state in the nation by median income. It has the 3rd highest murder rate in the nation. It’s homicide rate of 7.3 per 100,000 ranks it alongside countries like Pakistan (7.7) and Chad (7.3). Maryland has 3rd highest percentage of blacks in the nation at 29.4%
"2) low but much higher frequency of “killers” i.e. people who are inclined to settle disputes with a lethal weapon i.e. white maybe 1-2%, black 4-8%"
The reason that Bush prefers not to think is because thinking is hard for him. He's stupid. That's very evident in every aspect of his presidency - debates, interviews, being manipulated by advisors, lack of substantive understanding of any issue, chronic mismanagement, etc. Smart people like to think, dumb people don't. Especially when placed in a position like the presidency, any smart person would've risen to the occasion.
People here like to talk about the dumbing down of America and its link to low IQ. While Coates is an example of that, he's a minor figure. More than any major public individual I've seen in my lifetime, Bush is the ultimate personification of idiocracy.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Salty, @Former Darfur
Sorry, as much as I dislike and disrespect GW Bush as a toady and virtual catamite of neoconsevatives and You-Know-Whooz’s of the supremacist variety, the fact that he did get even the grades he got at the rigorous institutions he attended and the fact he did legitimately succeed at UPT (although I hasten to point out would not have been a fighter candidate as a Regular USAF trainee-ANG selectees were outside the normal selection process and flew what their units had, just like foreign nationals and civilian ((e.g, scientist astronaut)) pupils) indicate someone of at least moderately higher than average IQ. Pilots don’t need to be extraordinarily intelligent: I’ve flown with people who were dumb as a rock but had good stick and rudder skills and followed the checklist and they did okay. But because the military has a huge surplus of wanna-be’s and prospects, as it were, they are very selective and UPT is designed to weed out anyone who isn’t fairly high-g and fairly high energy. No one, no matter how privileged or well sponsored (and the USAF is a ‘sponsorship’-ridden outfit in many other ways) gets a pass.
Indeed, listening to his speech patterns when being interviewed in an unscripted environment, one detects a remarkable similarity to those of a particular (female) pop singer of about the same age. I don’t want to name her, but I’ve met her several time and had a couple of five to ten minute conversations with her, and so have a feel on how she thinks and then speaks. She isn’t a genius, but she is pretty bright, when given a little time to think. She pauses a lot and searches, briefly for words that most of us don’t. I hold that in both cases the cause is identical: a period of time, post-adolescence, of substantial substance abuse, now long ended. In Bush’s case, cocaine and alcohol: in hers, cocaine and opoids, and I wouldn’t rule out a little methamphetamine or LSD here and there. And certainly some pot in both cases.
A system that picks GW Bush as a presidential candidate is, of course, dysfunctional and in the long run doomed, but that does not in and of itself mean he is necessarily stupid.
Probably the dumbest President we have had in modern times was Gerald Ford, and he wasn’t really all that dumb as compared to the general population: nor was he a specially bad President-nor was he specially good. Either way, he had the character and decency to pardon Nixon despite the consequences to him personally, which he well understood, because he (correctly or otherwise) believed it good for the nation.
Probably the dumbest “serious” candidate for President (i.e., discounting Cynthia McKinney and a couple of others of similar stature) we have had in modern times was Ted Kennedy. Ted was dumber than a post, clearly quite a bit dumber than his brothers Bobby and Jack. And had it not been for a certain incident involving water, alcohol, an Oldsmobile and a female campaign worker, Ted would almost certainly have been elected President. In fact, had he been a little less fat and less (otherwise) scandal-ridden he might well have dethroned Jiminy Carter, a sitting president, for the Democratic nomination in 1980.
It's not just that Bush is dumb, but he's not all there. It's like he checked out mentally and he's just going through the motions.
One reason that his advisors could manipulate him so easily is that he had no idea what was happening around him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lssbAwu-OtE
It's not just that Bush is dumb, but he's not all there. It's like he checked out mentally and he's just going through the motions.
One reason that his advisors could manipulate him so easily is that he had no idea what was happening around him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lssbAwu-OtE
So now back to the well and an attempt to attack the other key issue of the alt-right, black criminality, and the debate will shift back to ground where they can hurl "Racist" accusations. And right now they are getting their butts whipped. The alt-right comes armed loaded for bear with data and stats, and the white "allies" are getting nervous. And the pesky black crminal class isn't cooperting with the narrative. Murder went up with a police stand down. There have been hugely public violent actions by blacks against whites or law enforcement. Libs are wondering which "ally" will be the next Kevin Sutherland or Blonde reporter to be shot? And "White Women Are Getting Fed Up" (I sure you have seen it but I posted it anyway)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL1SZTYOSBo
And we all when the white women leave and go home, we all know it's not a party anymore.
So the issue has to reframed that black criminality is "Just my 'magination, runnin' away with me"
Coates is FOS, but he at least misdirects effort and eyes away from things that are truly damaging to the Narrative items that are most dear to the hearts of money and power, migrants and cheap labor.Replies: @Jefferson, @Neil Templeton
And we all when the white women leave and go home, we all know it’s not a party anymore.
Bullshit! That’s when the real party starts!
Wish I could say I'm sorry to hear it, but that would be a damned lie. http://kstp.com/article/stories/s3871356.shtmlReplies: @Danindc
One of the other kids arrested was Nautica Delshaun Cox. Nautica was a popular clothing company about 17 years ago…..either that or his dad and mom are seafaring adventurers. I don’t like the cut of his jib though
“Judging from the video promo at the Atlantic site Coates will be arguing that the current black crime rate is artificially inflated by the inclusion of the arrest of Frederick Douglas for learning to read and fugitive slaves for escaping.”
Counter that with the fact that Left Wingers control the racial megaphone in America, so why would they artificially inflate the Black crime rate in this country and portray Blacks as being more violent than they actually are.
The Left Wing megaphone wants White America to believe that all African Americans are like Japanese people who spend way too much time in the tanning salon. They are just Japanese people with much more abundance of melanin.
Xerox invented the precursors of most of the technology we use everyday-and did exactly nothing with it.
Before the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center and its people, computers were an extension of the punch card tabulating and sorting industry. There were CRT character terminals and before that Teletype machines, but they interacted with a computer in more or less the same way as a batch of punch cards for the most part. PARC invented or at least successfully utilized for the first time all the elements of “modern” personal computers-windows, mice, selectable focus, multitasking applied to a single user, programming environments designed for interactive operation graphically. It would have died there, or remained dormant for decades, had not the microcomputer people known of it and decided that’s where they wanted to go. (Steve Jobs being the most well known but not the only one.)
The seminal book for those interested is the first edition of Ted Nelson’s Computer Lib/Dream Machines , two books printed upside down from each other in one binding. It’s a thin, large volume and was the first computer book I ever read and it does a better job of explaining the “digital revolution” than any modern book. Microsoft “reprinted” it in an inferior smaller size, which is not nearly as good. Hopefully someone will reprint the original at some point.
In this book, much or most of what Jobs saw at PARC was illustrated and described. And the book was already pretty tattered when I read it in my high school library. At that time I hadn’t used a computer, but I had used a Lear Siegler ASCII terminal, salvaged from a defunct Hertz Rent-A Car airport kiosk and converted to nonproprietary configuration, as a RTTY terminal for ham radio use in conjunction with a surplus military “modem” and a KWM-2 Collins.
I wish White privilege really did exist in real life. I am talking about the kind of White privilege seen in the SNL parody video featuring Eddie Murphy in White face. I wish random White people on the streets and in banks would just come up to me to hand me free money and free stuff in general simply because we are of the same race. I wish random attractive White women on public buses would sit on my lap and flirt with me simply because I am White.
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/white-like-me/n9308
When Chris Hughes took it over three years ago. From a surprisingly reasonable writeup in Wikipedia:
On March 9, 2012 Chris Hughes, co-founder of Facebook, announced that he would become the majority owner of TNR and immediately act as the Editor-in-Chief.
Under Hughes, the magazine has become less focused on “The Beltway,” with more cultural coverage and attention to visuals. It also stopped running an editorial in every issue. There has also been attention to what media observers have described as a less uniformly pro-Israel tone in its coverage (which was a hallmark of Marty Peretz’s ownership).
On December 4, 2014, it was announced that Gabriel Snyder, previously of Gawker and Bloomberg, would replace Franklin Foer as editor, and that the print edition of TNR would be reduced to ten issues a year. At the same time, a letter of resignation was signed by ten contributing editors—Paul Berman, Jonathan Chait, William Deresiewicz, Ruth Franklin, Anthony Grafton, Enrique Krauze, Ryan Lizza, Sacha Z. Scoblic, Helen Vendler, Sean Wilentz, and sent to Chris Hughes. Longtime contributor and the current literary editor of TNR, Leon Wieseltier, also resigned in protest to the changes being made at the magazine by Hughes and CEO Guy Vidra. Vidra, formerly of Yahoo!, described the new direction of the magazine to be as a “vertically integrated digital media company.”
No kidding. I have no idea who that is.
"No kidding. I have no idea who that is."
I belive that Dyson was yesterday's Coates.
Indeed, listening to his speech patterns when being interviewed in an unscripted environment, one detects a remarkable similarity to those of a particular (female) pop singer of about the same age. I don't want to name her, but I've met her several time and had a couple of five to ten minute conversations with her, and so have a feel on how she thinks and then speaks. She isn't a genius, but she is pretty bright, when given a little time to think. She pauses a lot and searches, briefly for words that most of us don't. I hold that in both cases the cause is identical: a period of time, post-adolescence, of substantial substance abuse, now long ended. In Bush's case, cocaine and alcohol: in hers, cocaine and opoids, and I wouldn't rule out a little methamphetamine or LSD here and there. And certainly some pot in both cases.
A system that picks GW Bush as a presidential candidate is, of course, dysfunctional and in the long run doomed, but that does not in and of itself mean he is necessarily stupid.
Probably the dumbest President we have had in modern times was Gerald Ford, and he wasn't really all that dumb as compared to the general population: nor was he a specially bad President-nor was he specially good. Either way, he had the character and decency to pardon Nixon despite the consequences to him personally, which he well understood, because he (correctly or otherwise) believed it good for the nation.
Probably the dumbest "serious" candidate for President (i.e., discounting Cynthia McKinney and a couple of others of similar stature) we have had in modern times was Ted Kennedy. Ted was dumber than a post, clearly quite a bit dumber than his brothers Bobby and Jack. And had it not been for a certain incident involving water, alcohol, an Oldsmobile and a female campaign worker, Ted would almost certainly have been elected President. In fact, had he been a little less fat and less (otherwise) scandal-ridden he might well have dethroned Jiminy Carter, a sitting president, for the Democratic nomination in 1980.Replies: @Jefferson, @Boomstick, @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123
So you are saying heavy alcohol and cocaine use in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s shaved off a couple IQ points away from George W. Bush. His brain was fried.
I wonder how many IQ points Ozzy Osbourne, Russell Brand, Nick Nolte, and Keith Richards for example have lost in their lifetimes, with all of the drugs and alcohol they have consumed.
A number of Chinese students have been murdered in Los Angeles, I believe by blacks or black-hispanics. Since murders are so rare in China, I believe it was huge news.
Attacking TNC is like picking on a special needs kid. The real question is why did the Atlantic hire him and why do white Liberals love him so much. From a conservative perspective, his dumbness is actually useful. In fact, a bunch of racist liberals – resentful that they had to give a job to a afirmative action black – couldn’t have picked a worse black spokesman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdimK1onR4oReplies: @Former Darfur, @ben tillman, @Boomstick
It’s not even close. I heard Bush on the radio today, and he’s got 25 IQ points on Coates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aVZvQhVS8U
To be fair, Coates isn't very smart and probably is a beneficiary of AA. It's unfortunate that a man such as that is a public intellectual. It's even more unfortunate that Bush was in the White house for 2 terms. Bush is the most prominent example in modern times of American idiocracy.Replies: @Former Darfur, @Dave Pinsen, @ben tillman
Well, maybe the next time the “black digital intelligentsia” are using their Macs (which were obviously invented and created by smacking around some black bodies), they can do a Google search for the Justice Department’s statistics about interracial crime. They can also read the Justice Department’s report on Ferguson, which clearly exonerates Darren Wilson. But then again, we have TNC and Michael Eric Dyson, and other black whiz kids, to explain how reality is racist.
I have an old friend who once chatted with me about whether there could be institutions set up for people who want to be intellectuals but just aren't up to it. Somewhere they could shelter from life's buffeting and devote their time partly to ways of earning a modest living, and partly to discussions with like-minded chumps while living a frugal but decent life. We agreed that at one time monasteries probably served that function for many of the monks. But I can't see TNC being a dab hand at producing illuminated manuscripts.Replies: @International Jew, @Jacobite, @Brutusale, @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon
It doesn’t matter anymore. Intellectuals, sub-par wannabe intellectuals, etc. They all look equally ridiculous in this modern, constantly-shifting, overnight-changing world. Intellectuals and intellectual pursuits are for another era, a slower-paced era, when ideas were safe from quickly-changing intel and developments. We are now entering a period when even prognosticators are endangered. You will have an analyst attempt to predict why X will happen and then half-way through his or her sentence the host will read something off the wire– breaking news, a statement– which inevitably changes everything.
Can’t agree with you on that. Knowledge and intelligence are not the same thing.
And if you don’t know who Augustine was, you wouldn’t know “how stupid that admission makes [you] appear”. However, I agree that he’s not very smart.
The suits in Rochester had no idea of the value they held in their Palo Alto branch. IBM was better placed– they were already established as a computer company, and their plant in Johnson City was close enough to the Armonk HQ to keep tabs on it.
But it’s worse than “did exactly nothing with it.” They ignored it at first because in their minds, they were first and foremost a copier company. But once they finally realized the situation, they frantically tried to play catch-up, trying to persuade customers “Xerox means computers.”
But they were even more “first and foremost a copier company” in the customer’s mind. Al Ries and Jack Trout kept bringing this case and that particular point up in their popular marketing books. They thought Xerox should just have dropped computers altogether, but I think they might have made a go of it had they sold them under the PARC name.
Then again, maybe not. Mobile had the Mardi Gras 150 years before New Orleans, and still holds one, but who ever thinks of Mobile when February rolls around?
Then again, maybe not. Mobile had the Mardi Gras 150 years before New Orleans, and still holds one, but who ever thinks of Mobile when February rolls around?
I was completely ignorant of Mobile having a Mardi Gras myself.
Xerox, at that time, was a company almost completely centered on leasing equipment to business offices. For many years, you could not purchase a Xerox machine, you had to lease it.
Steve Jobs correctly figured out that the Apple II, the Mac, and any other Apple product would get into businesses, if at all, after an elite of creative people and hobbyists had established a beachhead. Apple's attempts at dedicated business computers-the Apple III and the Lisa- were disasters. Xerox was not going to sell to those markets.
Also, the Xerox machines-the Alto, the Star, and the D-series (Dorado/Dandylion/Dandytiger) LispM's-were very expensive to build. And they involved dozens of well paid experienced engineers to build them. The Macintosh's hardware primarily consisted of a logic board designed by a schizophrenic test technician with a high school education, built out of inexpensive parts.
Jobs and Apple took the ideas of Xerox PARC and improved them in key ways, and Apple had much less to lose than Xerox. Still, Xerox could have split off PARC (actually eventually they did) and leveraged what they had much more effectively, but there is no way they could have done what Woz and Jobs did.
Probably Xerox would have been better off ignoring the desktop computer itself and leveraging its technology in copiers to build a PostScript-type environment like the LaserWriter, and marketing that aggressively. Xerox already had a computer printer business, in the Diablo printwheel printers, and in fact the Diablo 630 was the best high quality printer in existence and the most widely desired throughout the computer industry until Canon engine laser printers by HP and Apple came along in the late 1980s. (I still have my Diablo printer/typewriter/terminal and it still works: I run it once a year at least, and to type envelopes and such when I do snail mail. ) Several books such as Harry Pellow's Porsche 356 repair manuals and Ed Romney's camera books were typeset on Diablos: they could do everything an IBM Composer could if you had the right wheels.Replies: @Jack D
Keef, for all his odd mannerisms, is clearly not stupid today. He is obviously somewhat artificially wizened, but he speaks well, ironically he reminds me of a latter day Dean Martin in a lot of ways. (Richards to this day despises Martin because Martin spoke derogatorily of the Rolling Stones and their music on his variety show, almost fifty years ago.) Unlike Jagger, who never had much of a drug problem and is a drag to interact with socially (I’ve met him, although never tried or wanted to say much to him), Richards is a very engaging man to listen to, a natural storyteller.
We all lose a few IQ points as we age, and I’m sure GWB, Keith, and the woman I referenced earlier would be a little brighter had they lived according to the Word of Wisdom, as Mormons call their abstention from most everything today, but none of them are dumb.
I’m guessing Ozzy was a bubble off even before he started the drugs and partying lifestyle, and I have no idea about Nolte or Brand: don’t really follow them.
Over the years I have in fact known people who still had excellent cognitive skills despite doing enough dope in their lives to fell a brachiosaur. And others who were quite destroyed by drug use which in some cases wasn’t seemingly that severe. Type of drugs and genetics are heavily involved, as are the depth of specific incidents where cell damage can take place. Certain “designer drugs” can be mis-concocted and have impurities or mutant forms that can inflict huge damage, in some cases with a single dosing.
James Lees-Milne thought he was a charmer ... but then JLM liked boys.
I always though Bush was dyslexic but smart enough.
An intelligent person would be more likely to pick up on clues that would cause him to at least perfunctorily research the matter, and also wouldn’t retell the story himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdimK1onR4oReplies: @Former Darfur, @ben tillman, @Boomstick
Native American tribal sovereignty is a tricky constitutional and legal subject. There’s quite a superstructure of constitutional mandates, federal law, and state law on the subject that’s been built up over the 18th, 19th, and 20th century. Some tribes recognize state courts, some in only a limited way or on a reservation-by-reservation basis, others have federal BIA law enforcement or tribal courts. It’s close to impossible to speak briefly about the subject and say anything meaningful.
I don’t think Texas has many Indian reservations so Bush probably knew enough as Governor to know the smarmy editor dude was looking to trip him up, and just fillibustered for a while, albeit badly.
Bush said nothing of value because he's dumb. Anyone who lived through 8 years of Bush is well aware that he seldomly had anything intelligent to say. The man is a buffoon. For our country to treat him seriously is even more astonishing than the seriousness granted to Coates, who I also think is not smart.
"You have now left New York State", long before the Penna. border.
Stanley Crouch has ripped rap music as a mdern minstrel show. To paraphrase him, no White person could listen to Snoop and find Snoop his intellectual equal. But minstrel shows pay very well. Look at buffoon Kanye West.
During segregation men like Langston Hughes felt a duty not to minstrel it up for White entertainment. But the combined collapse of the Black family and thus Church, along with ending segregation ends the duty to avoid the riches being a minstrel buffoon.
Kanye West has a lot of money. Coates would like that money. Hence the minstrelsy.
Coates exists so liberal Whites can laugh at him. He is the intellectual Kanye West.
Bush and intelllgence? He obviously inherited his fathers dyslexia. Average intelligence but not bright.
I almost read that as “dreadlocked debates”.
Indeed, listening to his speech patterns when being interviewed in an unscripted environment, one detects a remarkable similarity to those of a particular (female) pop singer of about the same age. I don't want to name her, but I've met her several time and had a couple of five to ten minute conversations with her, and so have a feel on how she thinks and then speaks. She isn't a genius, but she is pretty bright, when given a little time to think. She pauses a lot and searches, briefly for words that most of us don't. I hold that in both cases the cause is identical: a period of time, post-adolescence, of substantial substance abuse, now long ended. In Bush's case, cocaine and alcohol: in hers, cocaine and opoids, and I wouldn't rule out a little methamphetamine or LSD here and there. And certainly some pot in both cases.
A system that picks GW Bush as a presidential candidate is, of course, dysfunctional and in the long run doomed, but that does not in and of itself mean he is necessarily stupid.
Probably the dumbest President we have had in modern times was Gerald Ford, and he wasn't really all that dumb as compared to the general population: nor was he a specially bad President-nor was he specially good. Either way, he had the character and decency to pardon Nixon despite the consequences to him personally, which he well understood, because he (correctly or otherwise) believed it good for the nation.
Probably the dumbest "serious" candidate for President (i.e., discounting Cynthia McKinney and a couple of others of similar stature) we have had in modern times was Ted Kennedy. Ted was dumber than a post, clearly quite a bit dumber than his brothers Bobby and Jack. And had it not been for a certain incident involving water, alcohol, an Oldsmobile and a female campaign worker, Ted would almost certainly have been elected President. In fact, had he been a little less fat and less (otherwise) scandal-ridden he might well have dethroned Jiminy Carter, a sitting president, for the Democratic nomination in 1980.Replies: @Jefferson, @Boomstick, @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123
Ford? University of Michigan Law School and then Yale Law School, where he graduated in the top 25% of his class.
Someone passive-aggressive and anti-white might do it as an insult.
But they were even more “first and foremost a copier company” in the customer’s mind. Al Ries and Jack Trout kept bringing this case and that particular point up in their popular marketing books. They thought Xerox should just have dropped computers altogether, but I think they might have made a go of it had they sold them under the PARC name.
Then again, maybe not. Mobile had the Mardi Gras 150 years before New Orleans, and still holds one, but who ever thinks of Mobile when February rolls around?
I was completely ignorant of Mobile having a Mardi Gras myself.
Xerox, at that time, was a company almost completely centered on leasing equipment to business offices. For many years, you could not purchase a Xerox machine, you had to lease it.
Steve Jobs correctly figured out that the Apple II, the Mac, and any other Apple product would get into businesses, if at all, after an elite of creative people and hobbyists had established a beachhead. Apple’s attempts at dedicated business computers-the Apple III and the Lisa- were disasters. Xerox was not going to sell to those markets.
Also, the Xerox machines-the Alto, the Star, and the D-series (Dorado/Dandylion/Dandytiger) LispM’s-were very expensive to build. And they involved dozens of well paid experienced engineers to build them. The Macintosh’s hardware primarily consisted of a logic board designed by a schizophrenic test technician with a high school education, built out of inexpensive parts.
Jobs and Apple took the ideas of Xerox PARC and improved them in key ways, and Apple had much less to lose than Xerox. Still, Xerox could have split off PARC (actually eventually they did) and leveraged what they had much more effectively, but there is no way they could have done what Woz and Jobs did.
Probably Xerox would have been better off ignoring the desktop computer itself and leveraging its technology in copiers to build a PostScript-type environment like the LaserWriter, and marketing that aggressively. Xerox already had a computer printer business, in the Diablo printwheel printers, and in fact the Diablo 630 was the best high quality printer in existence and the most widely desired throughout the computer industry until Canon engine laser printers by HP and Apple came along in the late 1980s. (I still have my Diablo printer/typewriter/terminal and it still works: I run it once a year at least, and to type envelopes and such when I do snail mail. ) Several books such as Harry Pellow’s Porsche 356 repair manuals and Ed Romney’s camera books were typeset on Diablos: they could do everything an IBM Composer could if you had the right wheels.
I lived through 8 years of Bush. For you to claim that he has “25 IQ points of Coates” is just ridiculous. Coates is more articulate than Bush.
To be fair, Coates isn’t very smart and probably is a beneficiary of AA. It’s unfortunate that a man such as that is a public intellectual. It’s even more unfortunate that Bush was in the White house for 2 terms. Bush is the most prominent example in modern times of American idiocracy.
GWB had little to say on many occasions not because he was stupid but because he believed communication with the American electorate and the outside world in general was less necessary than others thought. He had his team, and they told him what to do, and he was going to do it. He didn't much care what others thought. He didn't care to explain very much because he didn't have to. If you didn't like it, he didn't care. Unless you had the power to stop him, he didn't need to.
However, he did generally at least technically follow the law and the Constitution as he saw it. Maybe you saw it differently. Unless you were five of nine on the Supreme Court or could organize enough of Congress to stymie him, he didn't care how you saw it.
Does this make him an arrogant son of a bitch? I thought it did at the time, and still do, but to a lesser degree. But does it make him stupid? No.
See Sailer's old post estimating W's IQ. He wasn't dumb. Remember, W. was born in Connecticut, and lost his first run for Congress in Texas to someone who mocked him as an Ivy League carpet bagger. After that, he made sure no one would out-Texas him again. Hence, the drawl, the body language, etc.
http://www.vdare.com/articles/this-just-in-kerrys-iq-likely-lower-than-bushs
The inferred IQ is consistent with what I heard yesterday. Incidentally, he didn't sound stupid in your video, either.
There was a case of two Chinese USC grad students murdered in 2012 by two black perpetrators, both of whom are currently serving “life without parole.” It was heavily publicized in China.
I don't think Texas has many Indian reservations so Bush probably knew enough as Governor to know the smarmy editor dude was looking to trip him up, and just fillibustered for a while, albeit badly.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Reg Cæsar
The problem with the response wasn’t that Bush couldn’t answer the question meaningfully. It’s that he had absolutely zero to say. At a minimum, an average politician would’ve said something about his administration’s efforts with the Native tribes.
Bush said nothing of value because he’s dumb. Anyone who lived through 8 years of Bush is well aware that he seldomly had anything intelligent to say. The man is a buffoon. For our country to treat him seriously is even more astonishing than the seriousness granted to Coates, who I also think is not smart.
Frankly, I don’t care very much about what the “premiere” American intellectual Ta-Nehisi Coates thinks about anything. Everyone knows he is a joke.
I do care very much what Jeffrey Goldberg and Yoni Appelbaum who “oversee” TNC think. Jeffrey and Yoni are extremely intelligent and have incredible political influence. TNC is just a sock puppet that will be tossed to the side once he utters the word “Palestine” in the presence of his financial benefactors.
This just might be OUR Theme Song.
Subpar in relation to what I’d expect from someone in a senior position in a large organization.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aVZvQhVS8U
To be fair, Coates isn't very smart and probably is a beneficiary of AA. It's unfortunate that a man such as that is a public intellectual. It's even more unfortunate that Bush was in the White house for 2 terms. Bush is the most prominent example in modern times of American idiocracy.Replies: @Former Darfur, @Dave Pinsen, @ben tillman
I lived through Bush I and Bush II, also, and while I didn’t like either of them overly much, I thought GHWB was somewhat better a President. I intensely disliked GWB by the end of his presidency.
GWB had little to say on many occasions not because he was stupid but because he believed communication with the American electorate and the outside world in general was less necessary than others thought. He had his team, and they told him what to do, and he was going to do it. He didn’t much care what others thought. He didn’t care to explain very much because he didn’t have to. If you didn’t like it, he didn’t care. Unless you had the power to stop him, he didn’t need to.
However, he did generally at least technically follow the law and the Constitution as he saw it. Maybe you saw it differently. Unless you were five of nine on the Supreme Court or could organize enough of Congress to stymie him, he didn’t care how you saw it.
Does this make him an arrogant son of a bitch? I thought it did at the time, and still do, but to a lesser degree. But does it make him stupid? No.
Indeed, listening to his speech patterns when being interviewed in an unscripted environment, one detects a remarkable similarity to those of a particular (female) pop singer of about the same age. I don't want to name her, but I've met her several time and had a couple of five to ten minute conversations with her, and so have a feel on how she thinks and then speaks. She isn't a genius, but she is pretty bright, when given a little time to think. She pauses a lot and searches, briefly for words that most of us don't. I hold that in both cases the cause is identical: a period of time, post-adolescence, of substantial substance abuse, now long ended. In Bush's case, cocaine and alcohol: in hers, cocaine and opoids, and I wouldn't rule out a little methamphetamine or LSD here and there. And certainly some pot in both cases.
A system that picks GW Bush as a presidential candidate is, of course, dysfunctional and in the long run doomed, but that does not in and of itself mean he is necessarily stupid.
Probably the dumbest President we have had in modern times was Gerald Ford, and he wasn't really all that dumb as compared to the general population: nor was he a specially bad President-nor was he specially good. Either way, he had the character and decency to pardon Nixon despite the consequences to him personally, which he well understood, because he (correctly or otherwise) believed it good for the nation.
Probably the dumbest "serious" candidate for President (i.e., discounting Cynthia McKinney and a couple of others of similar stature) we have had in modern times was Ted Kennedy. Ted was dumber than a post, clearly quite a bit dumber than his brothers Bobby and Jack. And had it not been for a certain incident involving water, alcohol, an Oldsmobile and a female campaign worker, Ted would almost certainly have been elected President. In fact, had he been a little less fat and less (otherwise) scandal-ridden he might well have dethroned Jiminy Carter, a sitting president, for the Democratic nomination in 1980.Replies: @Jefferson, @Boomstick, @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123
I personally think that cocaine, alcoholism, and perhaps other factors have contributed to lowering Bush’s IQ significantly. In most of his public appearances, Bush appears burned out. I’ve seen lots of older homeless people with that same burned out look and personality, which are a result of their years of substance abuse. My guess would be that perhaps Bush was a bright man in his youth (or perhaps he cheated), but that’s not the case anymore.
It’s not just that Bush is dumb, but he’s not all there. It’s like he checked out mentally and he’s just going through the motions.
One reason that his advisors could manipulate him so easily is that he had no idea what was happening around him.
Indeed, listening to his speech patterns when being interviewed in an unscripted environment, one detects a remarkable similarity to those of a particular (female) pop singer of about the same age. I don't want to name her, but I've met her several time and had a couple of five to ten minute conversations with her, and so have a feel on how she thinks and then speaks. She isn't a genius, but she is pretty bright, when given a little time to think. She pauses a lot and searches, briefly for words that most of us don't. I hold that in both cases the cause is identical: a period of time, post-adolescence, of substantial substance abuse, now long ended. In Bush's case, cocaine and alcohol: in hers, cocaine and opoids, and I wouldn't rule out a little methamphetamine or LSD here and there. And certainly some pot in both cases.
A system that picks GW Bush as a presidential candidate is, of course, dysfunctional and in the long run doomed, but that does not in and of itself mean he is necessarily stupid.
Probably the dumbest President we have had in modern times was Gerald Ford, and he wasn't really all that dumb as compared to the general population: nor was he a specially bad President-nor was he specially good. Either way, he had the character and decency to pardon Nixon despite the consequences to him personally, which he well understood, because he (correctly or otherwise) believed it good for the nation.
Probably the dumbest "serious" candidate for President (i.e., discounting Cynthia McKinney and a couple of others of similar stature) we have had in modern times was Ted Kennedy. Ted was dumber than a post, clearly quite a bit dumber than his brothers Bobby and Jack. And had it not been for a certain incident involving water, alcohol, an Oldsmobile and a female campaign worker, Ted would almost certainly have been elected President. In fact, had he been a little less fat and less (otherwise) scandal-ridden he might well have dethroned Jiminy Carter, a sitting president, for the Democratic nomination in 1980.Replies: @Jefferson, @Boomstick, @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123
I personally think that cocaine, alcoholism, and perhaps other factors have contributed to lowering Bush’s IQ significantly. In most of his public appearances, Bush appears burned out. I’ve seen lots of older homeless people with that same burned out look and personality, which are a result of their years of substance abuse. My guess would be that perhaps Bush was a bright man in his youth (or perhaps he cheated), but that’s not the case anymore.
It’s not just that Bush is dumb, but he’s not all there. It’s like he checked out mentally and he’s just going through the motions.
One reason that his advisors could manipulate him so easily is that he had no idea what was happening around him.
I don't think Texas has many Indian reservations so Bush probably knew enough as Governor to know the smarmy editor dude was looking to trip him up, and just fillibustered for a while, albeit badly.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Reg Cæsar
It certainly is weird to drive the Thruway south of Buffalo and see signs informing drivers that
“You have now left New York State“, long before the Penna. border.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aVZvQhVS8U
To be fair, Coates isn't very smart and probably is a beneficiary of AA. It's unfortunate that a man such as that is a public intellectual. It's even more unfortunate that Bush was in the White house for 2 terms. Bush is the most prominent example in modern times of American idiocracy.Replies: @Former Darfur, @Dave Pinsen, @ben tillman
W. became President in 2001. Everyone commenting here who is over the age of 15 (rounding up) lived through 8 years of it.
See Sailer’s old post estimating W’s IQ. He wasn’t dumb. Remember, W. was born in Connecticut, and lost his first run for Congress in Texas to someone who mocked him as an Ivy League carpet bagger. After that, he made sure no one would out-Texas him again. Hence, the drawl, the body language, etc.
The Ta video is pretty standard Ta stuff. The guy is a non-sequitur Gatling gun.
[Jagger, who never had much of a drug problem and is a drag to interact with socially]
James Lees-Milne thought he was a charmer … but then JLM liked boys.
I do care very much what Jeffrey Goldberg and Yoni Appelbaum who "oversee" TNC think. Jeffrey and Yoni are extremely intelligent and have incredible political influence. TNC is just a sock puppet that will be tossed to the side once he utters the word "Palestine" in the presence of his financial benefactors.
This just might be OUR Theme Song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7J4yKS9i6cReplies: @5371
He never will say that word. He knows which side his bread is buttered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZlkoVTZcEMReplies: @Anonymous
A quote from Vox Media’s SBNation:
This type of noticing usually gets people fired.
http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada
Ta-Nahesi Coates: America’s foremost black schlemiel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aVZvQhVS8U
To be fair, Coates isn't very smart and probably is a beneficiary of AA. It's unfortunate that a man such as that is a public intellectual. It's even more unfortunate that Bush was in the White house for 2 terms. Bush is the most prominent example in modern times of American idiocracy.Replies: @Former Darfur, @Dave Pinsen, @ben tillman
The rest of us have seen his SAT and AFTQ scores.
http://www.vdare.com/articles/this-just-in-kerrys-iq-likely-lower-than-bushs
The inferred IQ is consistent with what I heard yesterday. Incidentally, he didn’t sound stupid in your video, either.
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/tag/excuse-me-mr-coates/
Excuse Me, Mr Coates, Ctd
At the link above Andrew Sullivan rebuts TNC regarding the Bell Curve. TNC does not make a rational argument — he tries to end the discussion by defaming his opponents.
Sorta like Yale Law grad Hillary using the "stupid defense" to defend her homebrew server.Replies: @Mr. Anon
“Sorta like Yale Law grad Hillary using the “stupid defense” to defend her homebrew server.”
In Hillary’s defense, she really isn’t very bright, as she has demonstrated time and again since the 1970s or so.
Coates is annoying and tedious and, most importantly, often or usually wrong. However, I don't think he's stupid. He's actually quite bright. Just a product of environment and times.Replies: @Alfa158, @27 year old, @josh, @Neoconned, @Anonymous, @Unladen Swallow, @Kevin O'Keeffe
If he is often or usually wrong, how intelligent can he be? He seems rambling but not in good way, he rambles because he is confused about his own ideas, he hasn’t thought them through much like a cocksure college freshman who ends up talking in circles during class discussion. If he isn’t intellectually disciplined in his thinking by now, (he is 39) he will likely never figure it out. Plus, Steve said “exceptionally intelligent” that he isn’t even close to being
I have an old friend who once chatted with me about whether there could be institutions set up for people who want to be intellectuals but just aren't up to it. Somewhere they could shelter from life's buffeting and devote their time partly to ways of earning a modest living, and partly to discussions with like-minded chumps while living a frugal but decent life. We agreed that at one time monasteries probably served that function for many of the monks. But I can't see TNC being a dab hand at producing illuminated manuscripts.Replies: @International Jew, @Jacobite, @Brutusale, @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon
“dearieme says:
I have an old friend who once chatted with me about whether there could be institutions set up for people who want to be intellectuals but just aren’t up to it.”
Such institutions already exist. They’re called university english departments.
“”An endorsement from Michael Eric Dyson doesn’t really carry much weight.””
“No kidding. I have no idea who that is.”
I belive that Dyson was yesterday’s Coates.
Whoa, this is a bit wide of the mark . Thomson was charged with rape in his teens, and as a journalist hung out with Hells Angels, he intervened in an argument between an Angel and a girl which sounds like he someone not scared to take the predictable consequences of a major beating, which he did in fact get. You have set the bar for animal courage very high in calling him timorous. He was not an anonymous internet commenter!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Dick now that was an anxious man.
Coates is a sensitive and unhopeful atheist, and he has even less in common with Southern Christian blacks (who he criticised after the Roof massacre for participating in phoniness) than the black gang-stars he grew up with. He is married to a black woman, which is less common that one might think among black men who write about race. Give him a break.
Then again, maybe not. Mobile had the Mardi Gras 150 years before New Orleans, and still holds one, but who ever thinks of Mobile when February rolls around?
I was completely ignorant of Mobile having a Mardi Gras myself.
Xerox, at that time, was a company almost completely centered on leasing equipment to business offices. For many years, you could not purchase a Xerox machine, you had to lease it.
Steve Jobs correctly figured out that the Apple II, the Mac, and any other Apple product would get into businesses, if at all, after an elite of creative people and hobbyists had established a beachhead. Apple's attempts at dedicated business computers-the Apple III and the Lisa- were disasters. Xerox was not going to sell to those markets.
Also, the Xerox machines-the Alto, the Star, and the D-series (Dorado/Dandylion/Dandytiger) LispM's-were very expensive to build. And they involved dozens of well paid experienced engineers to build them. The Macintosh's hardware primarily consisted of a logic board designed by a schizophrenic test technician with a high school education, built out of inexpensive parts.
Jobs and Apple took the ideas of Xerox PARC and improved them in key ways, and Apple had much less to lose than Xerox. Still, Xerox could have split off PARC (actually eventually they did) and leveraged what they had much more effectively, but there is no way they could have done what Woz and Jobs did.
Probably Xerox would have been better off ignoring the desktop computer itself and leveraging its technology in copiers to build a PostScript-type environment like the LaserWriter, and marketing that aggressively. Xerox already had a computer printer business, in the Diablo printwheel printers, and in fact the Diablo 630 was the best high quality printer in existence and the most widely desired throughout the computer industry until Canon engine laser printers by HP and Apple came along in the late 1980s. (I still have my Diablo printer/typewriter/terminal and it still works: I run it once a year at least, and to type envelopes and such when I do snail mail. ) Several books such as Harry Pellow's Porsche 356 repair manuals and Ed Romney's camera books were typeset on Diablos: they could do everything an IBM Composer could if you had the right wheels.Replies: @Jack D
However you spin it, Xerox totally blew it. They had the capital and expertise to turn their PARC experiments into marketable products. They had a sales force with a strong presence in the office market and a reputation for quality products. A laser printer is really an offshoot of a xerographic photocopier and they were the undisputed leaders in photo copying – they should have been the leaders in laser printing as well. Offices at that time were dying to adopt word processing. Their real competitor at that stage was not Apple (which as you say went nowhere in offices – to this day they have a negligible share of the office computer market) but Wang word processors. If they had been able to offer a WYSIWYG word processing system outputting to a laser printer, they could have charged big bucks for such a system in the office market. They had the technology to do this but they just never put it together at the time.
It really is too precious a bit of sociopathy to give your articles titles like “The Enduring Myth of Black Criminality,” and hold forth on the “damage” done to blacks’ psyches by their far-better-than-deserved reputation.
Maybe liberals mean it in the same way they mean that Hussein Obama is a “genius”: “well, you know…for a ‘black’ guy.”
We live in a specialized age and there can be surprising gaps in people’s knowledge. I remember alluding to something in Augustine’s “Confessions” (which I’d just read on my own initiative) in an essay I wrote for an English class, and my professor — a very smart guy, who would have gone to college in the late ’60s — had no idea what Augustine’s “Confessions” were.
Since we’re on the subject, I think we do have a serious social problem in high IQ people not owning up to their errors and voids of ignorance. What else is there to account for kicking the beehive in Libya after Iraq had shown the folly of lifting the lid off of secular Arab dictatorships, or continuing to meddle in Syria against both Assad and ISIS in favor of a chimerical “moderate” faction that’s largely encamped in Germany now, to the extent it existed at all. If they never learn from anything because admitting you didn’t already know something is a sign of stupidity, our high IQ leaders might as well be dumb.
"Tonight, we'll be speaking to America's most foremost public intellectual, Ta Nehisi Coates, about #blacklivesmatter, the immigration crisis in Germany, the state of the economy, the latest discoveries in cold fusion, and whether the latest research indicates that white DNA is actually exploitative of DNA of color. Next ......"Replies: @peterike, @Boomstick
The right is finding that parody is the ultimate antidote.
Logic is pointless. It's better to say how you moved your family from the violent Whitebread suburbs to the obviously safe vibrancy of the inner cityReplies: @Stan D Mute
Parody, sarcasm, and ridicule. This is the language the young leftists understand anyway, so using it against them is infinitely more productive than using the logic (lectures!) their fathers used unsuccessfully.
Coates is annoying and tedious and, most importantly, often or usually wrong. However, I don't think he's stupid. He's actually quite bright. Just a product of environment and times.Replies: @Alfa158, @27 year old, @josh, @Neoconned, @Anonymous, @Unladen Swallow, @Kevin O'Keeffe
“Coates is annoying and tedious and, most importantly, often or usually wrong. However, I don’t think he’s stupid.”
Yes, he undoubtedly has an above-average IQ. But he’s not being treated as if he’s actually rather bright. He’s being lauded as if he’s one of the Great Minds of the 21st Century, if not the entire 3rd Millennium. And yet he’s not even close to being in the top 100 intellects of the present decade.
White liberals act like TNC is the Black Stephen Hawking or the Black Albert Einstein.Replies: @Kylie
“There’s a difference between being smart/intelligent and bright.”
Please illuminate us, with respect to the nature of this distinction.
(I am actually in favor of leniency for many drug offenses, but that wouldn't help the black community much, since it would remove a major sanction from drug use, and needless to say drug use is not positively correlated with success.)
I do not expect TNC to talk much about comparative statistics of black vs. white violent crime stats, including murder and rape, but what I do expect him to do is highlight white lynchings of blacks, and white sexual relations with black women, to offset those rates and to underscore the essental identity of criminality among races. In other words he will put for a "whatabout" argument contrasting 2015 rates of murder and rape and contrast those with ante bellum South narratives of the rape and murder of slaves.
Any lingering criminality in the black community will be ascribed to the systemic racism of Amerika that forces AA's to live in impoverished ghettoes, and then there will be a saxophone riff about red lining, Chicago, and people who think they are white.
TNC is above average in intelligence. What he lacks, intellectually, is any real skill in associating ideas or synthesizing concepts or narrative structure. This is why he "grapples" with ideas, instead of "grasping" them. The other thing he lacks, and this is his biggest flaw, is that he is astonishingly ignorant. He really ought to get a serious syllabus from a serious group of profs and read books for 5 or 10 years. But of course he cannot do that, bills to pay, wife and son to focus on. I can't blame him for that, but that pretty much ensures that his growth will remain stunted.Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
“…it is true that drug laws tend to be enforced more in black hoods than white ones.”
Is it really?
In my experience, White retail drug dealers conduct sales primarily in their homes (or they visit the homes of their customers, in effect providing a delivery service), and primarily sell to people with whom they have some ongoing social relationship, such as having been friends since high school, or whatnot. Whereas Black retail drug dealers sell to anyone, often strangers, and they generally do so in the street, or otherwise in public. If White retail drug dealers tried to sell to strangers on the streets of American suburbia, they’d be arrested within the hour.
It’s amazing how much of the media has gone down the Salon route. The Atlantic is one of the more awful declines, but to some degree you could add MSNBC, HuffPo, Slate, Nation, and, though it still couches it in their stodgy language, the NYT.
Vox is an outlet for Ezra Klein to get his Salonista freak on, since he was constrained at WaPo.
Since we're on the subject, I think we do have a serious social problem in high IQ people not owning up to their errors and voids of ignorance. What else is there to account for kicking the beehive in Libya after Iraq had shown the folly of lifting the lid off of secular Arab dictatorships, or continuing to meddle in Syria against both Assad and ISIS in favor of a chimerical "moderate" faction that's largely encamped in Germany now, to the extent it existed at all. If they never learn from anything because admitting you didn't already know something is a sign of stupidity, our high IQ leaders might as well be dumb.Replies: @SPMoore8
Good comment, three addons: #1 – The fact that a professor would not know who Augustine was is the reason the Great Books curriculum was invented and the reason why Hirsch talks about cultural literacy. It’s absurd that someone after a K-12 education would not know who Augustine was, even if all they knew was when he lived generally, and that he was an early Christian church father. I’d even give half credit if they thought he was a hippo. #2 – Intellectuals if they are serious students (which they often are not) will always instantly own up to what they don’t know and then work to fill the gaps if they are expected to have any competency in the field under discussion. #3 – What happens however is that a “public intellectual” becomes not only a Public Brainiac but also Public Soothsayer, not only supposedly “knowing everything” but also able to pontificate on the morality of everything. It’s an absurd position to be in and I have to wonder why anyone would willing adopt that mantle. Unless they have bills to pay.
“Tonight, we’ll be speaking to America’s most foremost public intellectual, Ta Nehisi Coates, about #blacklivesmatter, the immigration crisis in Germany, the state of the economy, the latest discoveries in cold fusion, and whether the latest research indicates that white DNA is actually exploitative of DNA of color. Next ……”
Sandbaggers can humblebrag their way into losing. "Well, there's Naguib Mahfouz. Still haven't gotten around to reading Midaq Alley."Replies: @SPMoore8
A friend of my brother’s had an advertising gig with Ozzy. Sharon walked him into the meeting and sat him in the corner as you would a small child whilst she got on with business, a smart lady Sharon who has managed her husband well.
I always though Bush was dyslexic but smart enough.
“It’s comical to act as if whites consistently have to clear high hurdles if they want to become public figures, especially after 8 years of W. Bush.”
George W. Bush was the son of George H.W. Bush, which is the only reason he became Governor of Texas, let alone the President. Otherwise, he probably would’ve wound up the Assistant Manager of a muffler shop. The fact that being the son of the most powerful man in the word (from 1989-1993), and a scion of one of the most powerful families in 20th century America, does confer potentially enormous advantages upon a given individual, does not exactly negate the idea of a generalized tendency towards meritocracy in a single fell swoop. Frankly, your attempt to make that argument, makes you appear quite foolish.
If he wasn't a Bush, George would be working at a Cinnabon in Lincoln, Nebraska with Saul Goodman/Jimmy McGill.
In FRWC, Sailer mocks Coates for, “the distractingly stupid formulation ‘people who believe they are white.’”
But in his pretend debate with pretend White nationalist Jared Taylor, Sailer pretended there was a problem with knowing ‘who is White, anyway?’ Coates provides the only reasonable answer if Sailer’s were in truth a reasonable question.
What a tangled web, etc. …
In FRWC, Sailer praises Coates for his racial loyalty when it’s objectively undeserved by any secular standard, “Despite all the violence Coates has suffered at the hands of other blacks, his racial loyalty remains admirably adamantine.”
But if this is an admirable trait, how come Sailer argued against much weaker, in fact phoney, but much more justified ‘White Nationalism’ in favour of race-blind ‘citizenism’ in the bogus Taylor debate?
Oh, what a tangled web he weaves [cut] Jewsmedia.
"Tonight, we'll be speaking to America's most foremost public intellectual, Ta Nehisi Coates, about #blacklivesmatter, the immigration crisis in Germany, the state of the economy, the latest discoveries in cold fusion, and whether the latest research indicates that white DNA is actually exploitative of DNA of color. Next ......"Replies: @peterike, @Boomstick
I agree it’s sad, but realistically I’d say about 10% of high school graduates could tell you even that much about Augustine. And in terms of BA/BS graduates, it might go to 12%. And I think I’m being wildly generous here.
http://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-America-History-Thomas-Sowell/dp/0465020755
Highly recommended.Replies: @Jacobite
Walter Williams is a first rate public intellectual too.
The Most Foremost Public Intellectual never left!
http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/7321-ta-nehisi-coates-thread/page__hl__coates
Coates reminds me not much of an intellectual, but another term popularized (and betides epitomized) by The New Republic: “buckraker”
Though that term was primarily applied in the sense of “carpetbagger” for a while, it clearly denotes: sell-out journalist/opinionator. There was a voracious demand among the goodwhites for a verbal black guru guy, and Coates grabbed for the ring, with great alacrity. Nothing he writes is really original or insightful. If it hadn’t been he, it would be someone else now. The audience was built in.
Dyson is a credentialed mediocrity who peaked before the cop-killing Obamamania era so he may actually stand somewhere above Coates’s distorted level of sagacity. Also Coates’s soft blubbery pout gets more play from the elderly gays who control the media
Is it really?
In my experience, White retail drug dealers conduct sales primarily in their homes (or they visit the homes of their customers, in effect providing a delivery service), and primarily sell to people with whom they have some ongoing social relationship, such as having been friends since high school, or whatnot. Whereas Black retail drug dealers sell to anyone, often strangers, and they generally do so in the street, or otherwise in public. If White retail drug dealers tried to sell to strangers on the streets of American suburbia, they'd be arrested within the hour.Replies: @Anonymous
That is partially correct. White big-margin dealers (I’m not talking weed or loosies) don’t try to compete on the corner w/ blacks and Latinos. Neither would be successful slanging rocks in a neighborhood of high property values. But since the latter are almost always supported on gang territory, and the white is more likely to own private storage i.e. a house, the risks go against urban vending trips by whites. They have to move the stuff slower. Not to say dealing out of your house is a practical option, excepting maybe for unsophisticated college kids or supplying your henchmen (to work parties, raves, motel drops). White or not it isn’t as if you can just run a store where the stash is.
George W. Bush was the son of George H.W. Bush, which is the only reason he became Governor of Texas, let alone the President. Otherwise, he probably would've wound up the Assistant Manager of a muffler shop. The fact that being the son of the most powerful man in the word (from 1989-1993), and a scion of one of the most powerful families in 20th century America, does confer potentially enormous advantages upon a given individual, does not exactly negate the idea of a generalized tendency towards meritocracy in a single fell swoop. Frankly, your attempt to make that argument, makes you appear quite foolish.Replies: @Jefferson
“George W. Bush was the son of George H.W. Bush, which is the only reason he became Governor of Texas, let alone the President. Otherwise, he probably would’ve wound up the Assistant Manager of a muffler shop. ”
If he wasn’t a Bush, George would be working at a Cinnabon in Lincoln, Nebraska with Saul Goodman/Jimmy McGill.
Yes, he undoubtedly has an above-average IQ. But he's not being treated as if he's actually rather bright. He's being lauded as if he's one of the Great Minds of the 21st Century, if not the entire 3rd Millennium. And yet he's not even close to being in the top 100 intellects of the present decade.Replies: @Jefferson
“Yes, he undoubtedly has an above-average IQ. But he’s not being treated as if he’s actually rather bright. He’s being lauded as if he’s one of the Great Minds of the 21st Century, if not the entire 3rd Millennium. And yet he’s not even close to being in the top 100 intellects of the present decade.”
White liberals act like TNC is the Black Stephen Hawking or the Black Albert Einstein.
He is.
Translation–TNC is either pretty dumb or pretty un-observant, or both. Definitely a feature….
"Tonight, we'll be speaking to America's most foremost public intellectual, Ta Nehisi Coates, about #blacklivesmatter, the immigration crisis in Germany, the state of the economy, the latest discoveries in cold fusion, and whether the latest research indicates that white DNA is actually exploitative of DNA of color. Next ......"Replies: @peterike, @Boomstick
There’s a literary parlor game called “Humiliation” in which the participants own up to the most famous books they haven’t read, with the winner being the most pathetic.
Sandbaggers can humblebrag their way into losing. “Well, there’s Naguib Mahfouz. Still haven’t gotten around to reading Midaq Alley.”
From a practical POV that's not possible for most of us. Nor, frankly, desirable. I mean there's only so much time, and people shouldn't have to spend their lives attempting to live up to someone else's standards of "what's important."
By the same token there is such a thing as being "educated." I'd be much more surprised that a person "had never heard of Augustine" than had never heard of say "Gunter Grass" or even "Sienkiewicz" (two other Nobelists.) I mean surely there must have been paragraph in whatever textbook on World History they were using. But, nowadays, maybe not.
Sandbaggers can humblebrag their way into losing. "Well, there's Naguib Mahfouz. Still haven't gotten around to reading Midaq Alley."Replies: @SPMoore8
I was late to college because of 4 years service so my peers at Berkeley were actually graduate students. One of my friends in that group was the sort of person who made sure that he read every single Nobelist, and not only read them, but read everything he could get his hands on. (His theory is you had to read everything to know the author.)
From a practical POV that’s not possible for most of us. Nor, frankly, desirable. I mean there’s only so much time, and people shouldn’t have to spend their lives attempting to live up to someone else’s standards of “what’s important.”
By the same token there is such a thing as being “educated.” I’d be much more surprised that a person “had never heard of Augustine” than had never heard of say “Gunter Grass” or even “Sienkiewicz” (two other Nobelists.) I mean surely there must have been paragraph in whatever textbook on World History they were using. But, nowadays, maybe not.
I forgot the moment when TNC became completely irrelevant:
Couple more quotes:
Read the whole thing:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/07/ta-nehisi-coates-between-the-world-and-me.html
Well if black crime is a "myth," why are there so many violent, gun criminals who need to be let out of prison?
Well, my guess is that this Coates fellow is about as much a “brilliant intellectual” as Bruce Jenner is a “woman”…and considered as such for roughly the same reasons…
It's not just that he doesn't understand statistics (not even well enough to misuse them, indeed). He also doesn't seem to understand fractions, and lacks even that sense of scale one would expect to find in a clever high school student.
Coates often makes arguments of the form "X causes Y" where X is some small thing that touched a few thousand people 50 years ago, and Y is some huge thing that can be observed anywhere on earth, across a population of billions.
Now, a Tim Wise type might play at such stupidity in order to confuse an audience of rubes. But anyone who's read Coates' blog quickly gets the impression he ain't playin'.
Ron, you sure nailed that one.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/07/ta-nehisi-coates-between-the-world-and-me.htmlReplies: @David In TN
“And by the way, I include violent criminals in that.” Goldberg asked what he meant by “violent.” Gun crime, too,” Coates said.”
Well if black crime is a “myth,” why are there so many violent, gun criminals who need to be let out of prison?
The best evidence of we have of TNC’s likely place on the curve is his staggering innumeracy.
It’s not just that he doesn’t understand statistics (not even well enough to misuse them, indeed). He also doesn’t seem to understand fractions, and lacks even that sense of scale one would expect to find in a clever high school student.
Coates often makes arguments of the form “X causes Y” where X is some small thing that touched a few thousand people 50 years ago, and Y is some huge thing that can be observed anywhere on earth, across a population of billions.
Now, a Tim Wise type might play at such stupidity in order to confuse an audience of rubes. But anyone who’s read Coates’ blog quickly gets the impression he ain’t playin’.
White liberals act like TNC is the Black Stephen Hawking or the Black Albert Einstein.Replies: @Kylie
“White liberals act like TNC is the Black Stephen Hawking or the Black Albert Einstein.”
He is.
Maryland is the richest state in the nation by median income. It has the 3rd highest murder rate in the nation. It's homicide rate of 7.3 per 100,000 ranks it alongside countries like Pakistan (7.7) and Chad (7.3). Maryland has 3rd highest percentage of blacks in the nation at 29.4%Replies: @anon
like i said
“2) low but much higher frequency of “killers” i.e. people who are inclined to settle disputes with a lethal weapon i.e. white maybe 1-2%, black 4-8%”
St. Augustine, Bishop of Hippo, was a North African Caucasoid. From previous discussions at this site, it seems likely that many iSteve commenters wouldn’t consider him to have been white.
Here's a question, though: Who, among black intellectuals, would still qualify as an intellectual if he were white? McWhorter is the only one I can think of, although I'm not the most well-informed so there may be others.
It seems like there used to be many more pre-1960s. Do highly intelligent blacks get roped into non-"intellectual" fields like engineering, or is it simply that they lack the opportunity to hone their reasoning skills because it's racist to argue with them?Replies: @Steve Sailer, @JohnnyWalker123, @Jacobite, @Jason Bayz, @anon, @AndrewR
Sowell
I hate to use leftist catchphrases but race is at least partially socially constructed. There is no objective, non arbitrary way to distinguish “whites” from “nonwhites”, at least within the Caucasian race.