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I don’t actually know how how to pronounce the name of the founder of the science of ancient DNA, Svante Pääbo, but I’ve always enjoyed saying his extremely metal name anyway:

Svante Pääbo, Svante Pääbo, Svante Pääbo

From the New York Times news section:

Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine Is Awarded to Svante Pääbo

The Swedish geneticist was honored for his work in sequencing the genome of the Neanderthal, an extinct relative of present-day humans.

By Cora Engelbrecht and Isabella Kwai
Oct. 3, 2022

The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded to Svante Pääbo on Monday for his discoveries concerning the genomes of extinct hominids and human evolution. …

Nil-Göran Larsson, a professor in medical biochemistry for the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, said that Dr. Pääbo had used existing technology and his own methods to extract and analyze the ancient DNA. “It was certainly considered to be impossible to recover DNA from 40,000-year-old bones,” Mr. Larsson said.

… This is a developing story. Check back for further details.

A huge finding by Pääbo is that the Neanderthal isn’t wholly extinct: most non-African living humans have inherited a couple of percent or so of our genome from Neanderthals. That modern humans would have some Neanderthal genes had previously been predicted by Gregory Cochran and Henry Harpending.

He also sequenced the Denisovan genome and found it was a previously unknown relative of the modern human and many living humans have inherited a few percent of their genome from Denisovans.

By the way, Pääbo was not a long-shot underdog choice for the Nobel. He’s clearly one of the giants of 21st Century science and the only question was how long he’d have to wait while more elderly 20th Century scientists got their belated Nobels.

From the Nobel organization’s press release:

He also made the sensational discovery of a previously unknown hominin, Denisova. Importantly, Pääbo also found that gene transfer had occurred from these now extinct hominins to Homo sapiens following the migration out of Africa around 70,000 years ago. This ancient flow of genes to present-day humans has physiological relevance today, for example affecting how our immune system reacts to infections.

Pääbo’s seminal research gave rise to an entirely new scientific discipline; paleogenomics. …

Early in his career, Svante Pääbo became fascinated by the possibility of utilizing modern genetic methods to study the DNA of Neanderthals. However, he soon realized the extreme technical challenges, because with time DNA becomes chemically modified and degrades into short fragments. After thousands of years, only trace amounts of DNA are left, and what remains is massively contaminated with DNA from bacteria and contemporary humans (Figure 1). As a postdoctoral student with Allan Wilson, a pioneer in the field of evolutionary biology, Pääbo started to develop methods to study DNA from Neanderthals, an endeavor that lasted several decades. …

New powerful methods for sequence analysis indicate that archaic hominins may also have mixed with Homo sapiens in Africa. However, no genomes from extinct hominins in Africa have yet been sequenced due to accelerated degradation of archaic DNA in tropical climates. …

Thanks to Svante Pääbo’s discoveries, we now understand that archaic gene sequences from our extinct relatives influence the physiology of present-day humans. One such example is the Denisovan version of the gene EPAS1, which confers an advantage for survival at high altitude and is common among present-day Tibetans. Other examples are Neanderthal genes that affect our immune response to different types of infections.

Speaking of heredity, Pääbo is the son of another Nobel Laureate in Physiology, Sune “Single Umlaut” Bergström. Wikipedia reports:

Pääbo was born in Stockholm and grew up with his mother, Estonian chemist Karin Pääbo. His father was biochemist Sune Bergström, who shared the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine with Bengt I. Samuelsson and John R. Vane in 1982.

Pääbo was his Nobel Laureate’s father’s secret son. He had a legitimate half-brother born the same year as him to his father’s wife. The two half-brothers didn’t meet until this century.

 
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  1. The NYT seems to imply sub-Saharan Africans are not humans…..

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    @Redneck farmer

    There's a new white exec editor, so there's that. To be fair, sub-Saharans are indeed human BUT they are inferior humans, on average, compared with Europeans and Asians.

    Here's Lawrence Auster on issue:

    Why do I focus so relentlessly on these endlessly repeated stories of the massive cover-up, followed by the massive exposure, of black criminality and black failure—which is, we should point out, failure by white standards? Beyond its immediate interest and obvious importance, the truthful communication about black dysfunction and violence also serves the larger purpose of this website, which is nothing less than to save the American nation.

    In my view, the greatest single factor driving whites to national suicide is their false guilt over black inferiority. Because whites believe—as modern liberalism has taught them to believe—that all groups have equal inherent abilities, they also believe that the actual inferiority of blacks in almost every area of accomplishment and behavior must be caused by something bad that the whites are invidiously doing to blacks, or by something good that whites are selfishly refusing to do for blacks. However expressed, it all comes down to the idea that black failure is caused by white racism—the transcendent sin of the modern world. And because black inferiority continues, and is even getting worse, the conclusion is that white racism is continuing, and is even getting worse.

    The final result of this woefully mistaken thought process is the paralyzing racial guilt which makes whites feel that they have no right to defend and preserve their civilization, no right to defend and preserve themselves, but that they must instead self-sacrificially open themselves to and empower, not only blacks, but all nonwhites. This self-sacrifice takes numerous forms, including denial of the truth of black anti-white violence, denial of the tyrannical and murderous reality of Islam, and unquestioning acceptance of the mass Third-World immigration that is steadily turning America into a non-European country in which whites and their civilization will be steadily weakened, dispossessed, and destroyed. Therefore, as I began saying in the mid 1990s, if whites could see the truth that blacks’ lesser intelligence and other lesser civilizational abilities are not whites’ fault but are inherent in blacks themselves, it could literally save the country, by freeing whites from their suicidal guilt.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @BosTex, @Erik Sieven

  2. It seems that the spelling is more difficult than its pronunciation: https://forvo.com/search/Svante%20P%C3%A4%C3%A4bo/

    • Replies: @Foreign Expert
    @Urengir

    Japanese tv is pronouncing his name Paybo.

  3. https://www.ft.com/content/cc6ac1a7-5c3b-4e81-97c6-7ce586953d8c

    Brazil election goes to second round after Bolsonaro closes gap on Lula

    Brazil’s far-right president Jair Bolsonaro will face leftwing former leader Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva in a polarising run-off vote after performing better than expected in elections which underlined the strength of the country’s conservative movement.

    Lula won 48.4 per cent of valid ballots, according to official results, failing to pass the 50 per cent threshold needed for victory in the first round of Sunday’s elections. Bolsonaro secured 43.2 per cent, confounding pollsters who had pegged his support in the high thirties. A second vote will take place on October 30.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Brazil’s far-right president Jair Bolsonaro will face leftwing former leader Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva . . .
     
    Interesting that it's "far-right" vs "leftwing." Why not "far-left" vs. "right-wing?" Also, it seems like understating "far-right" voters is now a systemic feature of all pre-election polling. That's certainly the case in the U.S., as the upcoming midterm results will show, IMHO.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka, @Curmudgeon

    , @pyrrhus
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Maximum vote fraud for Lula, wonder what Bolsonaro can do about that in the next round...Lula of course wrecked the country the last time around..

  4. Doubled vowels are an example of ‘decorative spelling’ in Swedish (dekorativ stavning) or Finnish personal names. You can ignore the doubling and pronounce his name as if it was Päbo. The first vowel is like the British English ‘air’ (i.e, without final r) and the second as in ‘boo’. Both vowels are long.

    • Disagree: Badger Down
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Graham

    A Japanese linguist of some repute commenting the the Haagen-Dazs ice cream brand, remarked that there is no language with a-umlaut followed by an a.

    This person spoke Estonian, by the way, but he remarked that in Estonia, no one could understand what he was saying.

    Good thing the Swedish-Estonian man uses a double a-umlaut.

  5. @Graham
    Doubled vowels are an example of 'decorative spelling' in Swedish (dekorativ stavning) or Finnish personal names. You can ignore the doubling and pronounce his name as if it was Päbo. The first vowel is like the British English 'air' (i.e, without final r) and the second as in 'boo'. Both vowels are long.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    A Japanese linguist of some repute commenting the the Haagen-Dazs ice cream brand, remarked that there is no language with a-umlaut followed by an a.

    This person spoke Estonian, by the way, but he remarked that in Estonia, no one could understand what he was saying.

    Good thing the Swedish-Estonian man uses a double a-umlaut.

  6. “Doubled vowels are an example of ‘decorative spelling’ in Swedish” – correction – I see now that the name comes from Estonian, which has three vowel lengths and needs to mark them in some way.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Graham

    I’d assume since he grew up and lives in Sweden his name would be pronounced in the Swedish fashion, unless he works for svenska NPR!

    No one here in North America pronounces my surname “ahndairshon”, not even on public radio, but everyone I know in Sweden says it that way.

    Not so much with vowels, but one of the things that gives Swedish its sing-songy lilt is that double consonants (now that I think of it, except for the double s in Swedish patronymics) , are both pronounced.

    Replies: @Anon 2

  7. Hopefully this Nobel Prize indirectly raises the profile of David Reich’s superb paleogenetics lab at Harvard Medical School. It also might provide a nudge to HBD awareness.

    • Agree: Carol
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Peter Johnson

    That may not be a desirable outcome.

    It may only be a matter of time before we see tut-tutting opinion pieces from sundry wokeists casting doubt on paleogenomics as being "problematic."

    I'd much prefer it if the good cheer about this Nobel award were to be confined, for now, to the hard science community and HBD enthusiasts such as Mr. Sailer and his readers.

  8. OT — Sobering, although not completely new. Michael Hudson sees the end of Europe.
    https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/09/michael-hudson-on-the-euro-without-germany.html

    They have long had a plan for countries that are unable to their foreign debts. The IMF will lend them the money, conditional upon the debtor country raising the foreign exchange to repay the (increasingly expensive) dollar loans by privatizing what remains of their public domain, natural-resource patrimony and other assets, mainly to U.S. financial investors and their allies.

  9. Based on the cold logical “purpose” of natural selection — i.e. maximizing the copies of a species’ genes — Neanderthal genes are actually a huge success story. I mean, they went from a 100% market share of the few hundred thousand Neanderthal genotypes circa 40K years ago, to a 2% market share of the six billion non-African genotypes extant today. That’s actually a pretty good return on investment.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Hypnotoad666

    Their genes suck though, so are much more likely to be non-coding. Archaic human genes that are functional are mostly negative, in particular decreased hybrid fertility, and have been removed over time in a purifying evolution.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @kaganovitch
    @Hypnotoad666

    That’s actually a pretty good return on investment.

    Don't give Larry Fink any ideas or everyone is going to have to get a Soylent Green implant as the condition for renting an apartment.

  10. Virtually all science Nobels are well deserved. This one, too.

    Estonians are like Finns and Hungarians, our semi-exotic- faux-Asian relatives.

    Absurd: In Pääbo’s 2014 book Neanderthal Man: In Search of Lost Genomes, he stated that he is openly bisexual – he assumed he was gay until he met Linda Vigilant, an American primatologist and geneticist whose “boyish charms” attracted him. They have co-authored many papers. They are married and raising a son and a daughter together in Leipzig.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan, TWS
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I am in favor of the Bergstrom-Paabo line carrying on reproducing, even if they do it rather oddly.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @George o' da Jungle, @Dumbo

    , @AnotherDad
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Absurd: In Pääbo’s 2014 book Neanderthal Man: In Search of Lost Genomes, he stated that he is openly bisexual – he assumed he was gay until he met Linda Vigilant, an American primatologist and geneticist whose “boyish charms” attracted him.
     
    Don't know about her "boyish charms". Pulled up a pic and she looks like a decidedly normal woman. (At least the ones where she has normal gal hair.)

    Pääbo on the other hand is a decidedly weird looking bird who definitely doesn't radiate "manly".

    Replies: @Jack D

  11. Lol, another Swede, umlauts nothwithstanding..

  12. @Bardon Kaldian
    Virtually all science Nobels are well deserved. This one, too.

    Estonians are like Finns and Hungarians, our semi-exotic- faux-Asian relatives.

    Absurd: In Pääbo's 2014 book Neanderthal Man: In Search of Lost Genomes, he stated that he is openly bisexual – he assumed he was gay until he met Linda Vigilant, an American primatologist and geneticist whose "boyish charms" attracted him. They have co-authored many papers. They are married and raising a son and a daughter together in Leipzig.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad

    I am in favor of the Bergstrom-Paabo line carrying on reproducing, even if they do it rather oddly.

    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Steve Sailer

    "I am in favor of the Bergstrom-Paabo line carrying on reproducing, even if they do it rather oddly."

    Wiki:



    In Pääbo's 2014 book Neanderthal Man: In Search of Lost Genomes, he stated that he is openly bisexual – he assumed he was gay until he met Linda Vigilant, an American primatologist and geneticist whose "boyish charms" attracted him. They have co-authored many papers. They are married and raising a son and a daughter together in Leipzig.
     
    Linda Vigilant? What a name for a Grrll Power superheroine.

    While Pääbo was living in California, he sometimes went to Germany to visit a woman who was attending graduate school at the University of Munich. “I had many relationships with men, but I also had girlfriends now and again,” he told me. The relationship ended; shortly afterward, the University of Munich offered Pääbo an assistant professorship. With no pressing reason to move to Germany, he demurred. The offer was increased to a full professorship: “So then I said, ‘Germany isn’t that bad after all. I’ll go there for a few years.’ ”
     
    Not that many women are prepared to share their chap with a large number of random others, I imagine because of the disease risk. I knew one Dutch girl at uni who lived with her chap and his chap.
    , @George o' da Jungle
    @Steve Sailer

    Possibly, in light of this, Ikea can start a line of marital aids with the brand name "Pääbo."

    , @Dumbo
    @Steve Sailer


    I am in favor of the Bergstrom-Paabo line carrying on reproducing,
     
    Me, not so much. I saw an interview with him and he seems odd.
    He gives a Harari vibe, which is also gay, by the way.
    (I don't think real bisexuals exist.)
    I doubt even his supposed discoveries are that important, perhaps overhyped for some reason or other. It figures that HBD is some sort of IQ idolizing cult, but there are more important things in life.

    Then again, both Svante and Vigil are pretty ugly, so let's hope that those poor children at least have high IQ going for them...
  13. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.ft.com/content/cc6ac1a7-5c3b-4e81-97c6-7ce586953d8c

    Brazil election goes to second round after Bolsonaro closes gap on Lula

     

    Brazil’s far-right president Jair Bolsonaro will face leftwing former leader Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva in a polarising run-off vote after performing better than expected in elections which underlined the strength of the country’s conservative movement.

    Lula won 48.4 per cent of valid ballots, according to official results, failing to pass the 50 per cent threshold needed for victory in the first round of Sunday’s elections. Bolsonaro secured 43.2 per cent, confounding pollsters who had pegged his support in the high thirties. A second vote will take place on October 30.

     

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @pyrrhus

    Brazil’s far-right president Jair Bolsonaro will face leftwing former leader Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva . . .

    Interesting that it’s “far-right” vs “leftwing.” Why not “far-left” vs. “right-wing?” Also, it seems like understating “far-right” voters is now a systemic feature of all pre-election polling. That’s certainly the case in the U.S., as the upcoming midterm results will show, IMHO.

    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
    @Hypnotoad666

    The trash media call any individual, or group "extreme right wing" that don't mesh with their world view to instill paroxysms of fear in the general public that Hitler has been cloned by the Russians and is back in a new fuhrenbunker in Moscow.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Curmudgeon
    @Hypnotoad666

    The fact that they are using "right" or "left" at all, tells you its a steaming pile of male bovine excrement.

  14. Here is a fantastic video of a presentation on archaic genomics by Janet Kelso.

    Richard Dawkins tweeted this video a couple years ago, with the comment, “Watch it twice.”

    Moderate detail about the sequencing process, including the logic of how they determined the percentages of Neanderthal DNA in different populations. At the time of the video, the only evidence for Denisovans was the sequencing of a single knucklebone.

    Some very uncomfortable graphs, with chimpanzees on one end. But of course, the archaic genes that some modern humans have only affect digestion.

    • Thanks: res
  15. An interesting side story about the sequencing of the Neanderthal and Denivosian genomes is that they discocred a similar sequence in modern humans defined by a single nucleotide polymorphism rs6873545, located in locus 5 of the GHR(growth hormone receptor) at Chr5:42,631,162. It codes for the deletion of the exon-3 of the receptor, a pair deletion of 2,700 nucleotide bases.

    This deletion appeared around 1.5 million years ago as the ancestors of Neanderthals, Denisovians and anatomically modern Humans left Africa. It seems to be geared towards metabolism, a switch that allows humans, especially males, to survive extreme famine

    How this deletion changes physiology is extremely interesting. The deletion, paradoxically, makes the receptor more sensitive to Human growth hormone. As a result, the liver produces more IGF-1(somatostatin C). This in turns, results in IGF-1 suppressing growth hormone release through feedback inhbition. This imrpoves insulon sensitivity and glucose utilization, since growth hormone is insulinogenic. It also decreases cellular division and activates a process called authophagy, which is a type of house cleaning where cells rid themselves of intracellular junk rather than wasting resources on useless growth(you obviously need growth, especially as a child, but it becomes pathogenic at one point and causes cancer)

    Nir Barzilai, from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, discovered that this ancient deletion is strongly associated with longevity and avoidance of diabetes, especially in males. Only 15% of Caucasians are heterozygote for the deletion, and only 4% of homozygonous. Having one of the 3rd exon deleted increases by 2 X your chances of living to 100, and being homozygonous for it increases your odds of living to 100 by 8 X. I happen to be one of those rare 4% that are homozygonous for it. I tried to copy a still of my DNA sequence deletion, but it didn’t go through. I don’t know why.

    Here is the one on Denisovians:https://www.researchgate.net/figure/A-GHRd3-in-modern-and-ancient-hominin-genomes-These-browser-snapshots-show-the-genome_fig1_336212467

    Anyweys, these ancient genes that result in superior health are disappearing from the gene pool as they are no longer needed in a World where pizza is easily available and the only exercise the average citizen does is walking to the fridge. Nietzsche used to say:

    “What doesn’t kill me makes me stronger.”

    Well, it is the weaknesas that is killing us. Individuals with mutations loads that would result in certain death as little as 100 yeara ago are coming through due to vaccines, I.C.Us and medication for chronic diseases like statins for arteriosclerosis and beta blockers for high blood pressure. But these crutches are taking away the *real* solution to these problems, which are genes for superior metabolims, as well as for superior will-power that makes one not eat 12,000 calorties a day unnecessarily.

    • Thanks: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Zero Philosopher


    But these crutches are taking away the *real* solution to these problems, which are genes for superior metabolims, as well as for superior will-power that makes one not eat 12,000 calorties a day unnecessarily.</blockquote

    I think I almost understood most of your post. Interesting nevertheless.

    However you seem to be discounting CRISPER gene editing in your gloomy outlook.

    In the near future human genetics will be easily altered, we are told.

    Of course this may not work out as planned. But if there are supposedly useful genes which no longer have survival benefits, they can be added or conserved.

    Just imagine what the Trans Community will do with that.... (shudder...)
     

     

    Replies: @Muggles

    , @acementhead
    @Zero Philosopher


    "...activates a process called authophagy.."
     
    I've always liked the idea of eating authors; nice to know that it's a natural thing determined by genes. I was worried that it was just me and that I might be a bit different in some way.

    Replies: @Zero Philosopher

    , @Marquis
    @Zero Philosopher

    Basically you’ve laid out the scientific explanation—on a genetic level—for the meme of “bad times make strong men, strong men make good times, good times make….etc…”

    , @kpkinsunnyphiladelohia
    @Zero Philosopher

    Great description.

    You can trigger the effect of autophagy via intermittent and multi day water fasting, though having the genetic predisposition is way better.

    There is a lot of scientists work these days in ant aging and researchers are working hard I discovering senolytics.

    Barzilai is doing this gigantic trial right now to see if the old diabetes drug metformin is a life extender.

    The other drug that hold a lot of promise is low dose rapamycin taken intermittently. It suppresses mTor1 complex which in turn induces autophagy, lowers inflammation and enhances glucose disposal.

    Doctors are wary of using it since it is used in suppressing the immune systems in organ transplant patients but there the doses are large and chronic.

  16. With the Neanderthal I see a very puzzling development.
    Technically, if Neanderthals could interbreed and leave their genes with Homo sapiens, that means that the two were no different species, but different races. Different species don’t have common offspring.
    So the media are technically admitting that there were different races, but as the word “race” never must mentioned, zhey now frame it as “Oh look! Species CAN interbreed!”
    Firstly this undermines the scientific terminology estanblished since Darwin.
    Secondly, if Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens were different species, why shouldn’t anyone call Whites and Blacks different species, too?

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Stogumber

    To add to your dilemma: most white people (in North America and Europe anyway) have a smaller percentage of subsaharan genes than they have of Neanderthal genes.

    Replies: @Truth, @Henry's Cat, @epebble

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Stogumber


    Technically, if Neanderthals could interbreed and leave their genes with Homo sapiens, that means that the two were no different species, but different races.
     
    Species ends up being a pretty ambiguous term, even among scientists. Lions and Tigers, Polar Bears and Grizzlie Bears, and lots of other different "species" can interbreed. It's basically just the old lumper/splitter thing as to whether you see a new species or just a variant subspecies.

    Replies: @Jack D, @epebble, @Eustace Tilley (not)

    , @kaganovitch
    @Stogumber

    Different species don’t have common offspring.

    That's where the invaluable 'Yakub' hypothesis comes in handy.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Stogumber


    Technically, if Neanderthals could interbreed and leave their genes with Homo sapiens, that means that the two were no different species, but different races. Different species don’t have common offspring.
     
    Species is more like "naturally interbreeds in the wild".

    Plenty of species can interbreed and produce at least some fertile offspring.


    As far as I know we don't really have any idea how interfertile Neanderthals and Humans were. I'd suggest--not necessarily all that much. Our 'thal DNA is all autosomal isn't it? Nothing shows up in mtDNA nor on the (small) Y-chromosome.

    So, you could have some scenario where a neanderthal caveman captures a human girl. Her male offspring aren't particularly impressive or even necessarily fertile, but her female offspring are good enough. And some of her female 1/2-n-1/2 offspring are captured by humans and their offspring--or at least some of them--are fertile. The battle went on thousands of years so there were probably a good number of these scenarios.

    You can concoct your own scenario but something like that seems to me to be the likely path. General inter-fertility doesn't seem as likely given that our mitochondrial and Y-chromosome DNA seems to be all human.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @Stogumber

    Only male homo sapiens could mate with female Neanderthals, male Neanderthals could not mate with homo sapiens and this is why neanderthal Y-chromosomes are extinct. This is also one of reasons why we have feminism... de facto it celebrates neanderthal legacy, so to say.

    Also note normalization of all things neanderthal, not just getting drunk (which is now a "disease"), but recently of cannibalism with movies like "Bonnes and All" with ubiquitous Chalamet. Previously movies like "Shame" normalized sex addiction (sex drive being also behind homosexualism), and the main character was a descendant of Neanderthals (there is an explicit statement about this there).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shame_(2011_film)

    Our lords are covert Neanderthals.... the famous Habsburg jaw .... aka mandibular prognathism.... is a legacy of Neanderthals. And they are obsessed with genes, the ideology of "selfish gene" is their religion.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Anon

    , @Happy Tapir
    @Stogumber

    Different Animal species can interbreed and produce fertile offspring in many cases. 30% of bobcats have lynx Dna, for example. What differentiates species? Simply that taxonomists can distinguish them. Martians after they conquer us will probably classify the different human races as separate species. It’s somantics basically.

    However, when Homo sapiens and Neanderthal allegedly interbred, this was an early stage of cromagnon Homo sapiens that was not as far removed from Neanderthal as modern humans are. The two were closer together in dna and iq at that time.

  17. Swedes are just too good.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
  18. Please excuse me for not writing about the spelling of Svante’s name, or the Brazil election.

    Except for the part about the current awarding of the Nobel, this seems like old news. I suspect his work is what “23andMe” used for their factoid add-on of ones percentage of Neanderthal DNA. Which they’ve been doing for quite some time.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @John Henry


    Except for the part about the current awarding of the Nobel, this seems like old news.
     
    Awarding of a Nobel is news in itself. By their nature, Nobel Prizes acknowledge old and widely accepted to be important research. They are often awarded decades after the work in question.


    Pääbo himself is proof of the importance of DNA. He is the 8th parent-child Nobelist:

    Arthur Kornberg (awarded the 1959 Medicine Prize)
    Roger D. Kornberg (awarded the 2006 Chemistry Prize).

    Marie Skłodowska (Chemistry 1911, Physics 1903) and Pierre Curie (Physics 1903)
    Irène Joliot-Curie (Chemistry 1935)

    William Bragg (Physics 1915)
    Lawrence Bragg (Physics 1915)

    Niels Bohr (Physics 1922)
    Aage N. Bohr (Physics 1975)

    Hans von Euler-Chelpin (Chemistry 1929)
    Ulf von Euler (Medicine 1970)

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Brás Cubas, @John Henry, @PiltdownMan, @PiltdownMan

  19. Pääbo was his Nobel Laureate’s father’s secret son.

    Helluva way to get even with your dad!

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @International Jew

    And even more- you get a far more interesting & a world-view changing Nobel.

  20. @Stogumber
    With the Neanderthal I see a very puzzling development.
    Technically, if Neanderthals could interbreed and leave their genes with Homo sapiens, that means that the two were no different species, but different races. Different species don't have common offspring.
    So the media are technically admitting that there were different races, but as the word "race" never must mentioned, zhey now frame it as "Oh look! Species CAN interbreed!"
    Firstly this undermines the scientific terminology estanblished since Darwin.
    Secondly, if Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens were different species, why shouldn't anyone call Whites and Blacks different species, too?

    Replies: @International Jew, @Hypnotoad666, @kaganovitch, @AnotherDad, @Another Polish Perspective, @Happy Tapir

    To add to your dilemma: most white people (in North America and Europe anyway) have a smaller percentage of subsaharan genes than they have of Neanderthal genes.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @International Jew

    LOL.

    Every time I think you've hit peak foolishness, you exceed yourself, Sir.

    , @Henry's Cat
    @International Jew

    What are subsaharan genes?

    Replies: @Truth

    , @epebble
    @International Jew

    All Homo Sapiens have "African" genes, if one goes back 50,000 years. Most DNS tests measure recent admixture (about 300 years). Obviously, relatively little mixing of Sub-Saharan people with Whites has happened in Europe. Much more so in North America.

    See https://www.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/sub-saharan-african-dna

  21. @International Jew

    Pääbo was his Nobel Laureate’s father’s secret son.
     
    Helluva way to get even with your dad!

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    And even more- you get a far more interesting & a world-view changing Nobel.

  22. @Hypnotoad666
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Brazil’s far-right president Jair Bolsonaro will face leftwing former leader Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva . . .
     
    Interesting that it's "far-right" vs "leftwing." Why not "far-left" vs. "right-wing?" Also, it seems like understating "far-right" voters is now a systemic feature of all pre-election polling. That's certainly the case in the U.S., as the upcoming midterm results will show, IMHO.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka, @Curmudgeon

    The trash media call any individual, or group “extreme right wing” that don’t mesh with their world view to instill paroxysms of fear in the general public that Hitler has been cloned by the Russians and is back in a new fuhrenbunker in Moscow.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Paluka


    The trash media call any individual, or group “extreme right wing” that don’t mesh with their world view to instill paroxysms of fear in the general public that Hitler has been cloned...
     
    Wherever you put the mustachioed poofter on the political spectrum, be sure to place almost every US Republican to his right.
  23. Jean Auel made the same “prediction” in her novel “The Clan of the Cave Bear” et seq.

    She also did the same kind of historical research that Robert Howard did for his Conan series. Auel set much of the action in known Cro-Magnon sites.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  24. All of this simple-minded propaganda is pure Anti-Christian brainwashing. I would estimate 40% truth, 60% intentional misdirection away from the bible.

  25. Kölsch, the local dialect in the city where I currently live, uses a lot of double vowels and frequent double umlauts and sometimes even double eszetts.

    In Kölsch, the name of the German federal state that Cologne is in, North Rhine-Westphalia in English, Nordrhein-Westfalen in High German, is Noodrhing-Wäßßfaale. “Vayshg-fail” is the best way I can alliterate the second part.

  26. @International Jew
    @Stogumber

    To add to your dilemma: most white people (in North America and Europe anyway) have a smaller percentage of subsaharan genes than they have of Neanderthal genes.

    Replies: @Truth, @Henry's Cat, @epebble

    LOL.

    Every time I think you’ve hit peak foolishness, you exceed yourself, Sir.

  27. I should add that the way that cookie cutter broadcast standard High German anchors and presenters pronounce Pääbo sounds almost like “paybo,” except the “a” doesn’t sound as “long” as a true long A in English. Sounds more like a stereotypical Canadian “Eh.”

  28. @Stogumber
    With the Neanderthal I see a very puzzling development.
    Technically, if Neanderthals could interbreed and leave their genes with Homo sapiens, that means that the two were no different species, but different races. Different species don't have common offspring.
    So the media are technically admitting that there were different races, but as the word "race" never must mentioned, zhey now frame it as "Oh look! Species CAN interbreed!"
    Firstly this undermines the scientific terminology estanblished since Darwin.
    Secondly, if Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens were different species, why shouldn't anyone call Whites and Blacks different species, too?

    Replies: @International Jew, @Hypnotoad666, @kaganovitch, @AnotherDad, @Another Polish Perspective, @Happy Tapir

    Technically, if Neanderthals could interbreed and leave their genes with Homo sapiens, that means that the two were no different species, but different races.

    Species ends up being a pretty ambiguous term, even among scientists. Lions and Tigers, Polar Bears and Grizzlie Bears, and lots of other different “species” can interbreed. It’s basically just the old lumper/splitter thing as to whether you see a new species or just a variant subspecies.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    In the modern context, species gets overused for political purposes. If a dam will cause a certain "species" of minnow to become endangered you can stop the building of the dam. Never mind that this "species" of minnow is pretty much the same as the "species" of minnow found in the next stream over except for some slight difference in coloration or whatever.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Ian Smith, @Reg Cæsar

    , @epebble
    @Hypnotoad666

    Generally, Species can freely interbreed and produce fertile offspring, thus propagating the species. In case of Lions and Tigers, Horses and Donkeys, etc., the offspring are sterile.

    Replies: @Peter Frost, @Che Guava, @Hypnotoad666

    , @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @Hypnotoad666

    The point is that, although lions and tigers can indeed produce offspring, the offspring cannot produce offspring. In other words, "ligers" can't have kids, just as mules can't have kids. Ergo, lions and tigers do not share a common "gene pool". One cannot mate a "she-mule" with a "he-mule" and get a mule; it has to be a horse and an ass ("donkey" for the more delicate of sensibility). I suppose that's the reason that, although we have English words for "stallion", "mare", "jackass", and "jenny ass", we have no words for "she-mule" or "he-mule". Our agriculturalist ancestors were realistic and practical people and did not coin useless words.

    Governor Hochul of New York accused those opposed to her quasi-infanticidal policy of being "Neanderthals", but no one had the wit to accuse her of "racism". Perhaps we can be grateful that they only still exist as ghostly fragments subsumed within our DNA threads rather than as an angry part of the Coalition of the Fringes, complete with a Neanderthal Caucus in the House of Representatives.

    If "Joe Biden" wishes to increase the national debt, perhaps he can set the CIA to work trying to sequence a complete Neanderthal genome. Maybe Mia Farrow will do the honors of being surrogate mother.

    "There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamed of in your philosophies." Is it at least conceivable, oh ye learned Sailer-heads, that his lack of Magick Neanderthal DNA is what's "wrong" with Homo africanus barbarus idioticus?

    It amuses me that Svante Double Umlaut has won the Nobel for Physiology or Medicine, when his work is not really physiology and not really medicine. He has actually won the Prize in Physiology nor Medicine.

    Replies: @epebble

  29. He has co-authored some papers on Covid-19. First this one:

    The major genetic risk factor for severe COVID-19 is inherited from Neanderthals
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2818-3

    Then this one which reverses the former’s conclusions:

    A genomic region associated with protection against severe COVID-19 is inherited from Neandertals
    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2026309118

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Brás Cubas

    The second paper doesn't contradict the first. These studies are complimentary.

  30. OT — Why did social media companies cover up the Hunter Biden laptop story? Because they had been promised, and later received, millions of taxpayer dollars.
    We do not have a legal system.

    A consortium of four private groups worked with the departments of Homeland Security (DHS) and State to censor massive numbers of social media posts they considered misinformation during the 2020 election, and its members then got rewarded with millions of federal dollars from the Biden administration afterwards, according to interviews and documents obtained by Just the News.

    https://archive.is/mdWd5

    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/biden-administration-rewarded-private-entities-got-2020-election

    • Thanks: Polistra
  31. @Graham
    "Doubled vowels are an example of ‘decorative spelling’ in Swedish" - correction - I see now that the name comes from Estonian, which has three vowel lengths and needs to mark them in some way.

    Replies: @Ganderson

    I’d assume since he grew up and lives in Sweden his name would be pronounced in the Swedish fashion, unless he works for svenska NPR!

    No one here in North America pronounces my surname “ahndairshon”, not even on public radio, but everyone I know in Sweden says it that way.

    Not so much with vowels, but one of the things that gives Swedish its sing-songy lilt is that double consonants (now that I think of it, except for the double s in Swedish patronymics) , are both pronounced.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Ganderson

    Re: He lives in Sweden

    He’s been associated with the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary
    Anthropology in Leipzig since 1997. Hence apparently he and his American
    wife live in Germany. He is also a professor in Japan, so like most
    top level researchers he travels a lot.

  32. Yes, my first thought was that this guy needs to go front a metal band, like Motörhead but with twice the umlauts! Or just call the band Ümläüt.

    From Wiki: A metal umlaut is a diacritic that is sometimes used gratuitously or decoratively over letters in the names of bands—for example, Blue Öyster Cult, Queensrÿche, Motörhead, Mötley Crüe and the parody band Spınal Tap. (Their umlaut was over the n)

    I saw one movie where the kids had a band called Löded Diper, which looked pretty cool on the side of their van

  33. @Peter Johnson
    Hopefully this Nobel Prize indirectly raises the profile of David Reich's superb paleogenetics lab at Harvard Medical School. It also might provide a nudge to HBD awareness.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    That may not be a desirable outcome.

    It may only be a matter of time before we see tut-tutting opinion pieces from sundry wokeists casting doubt on paleogenomics as being “problematic.”

    I’d much prefer it if the good cheer about this Nobel award were to be confined, for now, to the hard science community and HBD enthusiasts such as Mr. Sailer and his readers.

  34. @International Jew
    @Stogumber

    To add to your dilemma: most white people (in North America and Europe anyway) have a smaller percentage of subsaharan genes than they have of Neanderthal genes.

    Replies: @Truth, @Henry's Cat, @epebble

    What are subsaharan genes?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Henry's Cat

    ...They are Genes comprised of Deoxyribonucleic Acid. I believe that I.J believes that white people's genes are comprised of something else.

  35. Anonymous[350] • Disclaimer says:

    had previously been predicted by Gregory Cochran

    Yeah, if you make enough predictions, a few come true. By the way, is he still reading 10,000 words per minute or whatever his crazy claim was?

    I’m pretty sure he came out against the concept of free speech too. I wonder if he would have executed people who disagreed with him on Covid in the early days.

    I get deranged megalomaniac vibes off that guy.

  36. @John Henry
    Please excuse me for not writing about the spelling of Svante's name, or the Brazil election.

    Except for the part about the current awarding of the Nobel, this seems like old news. I suspect his work is what "23andMe" used for their factoid add-on of ones percentage of Neanderthal DNA. Which they've been doing for quite some time.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Except for the part about the current awarding of the Nobel, this seems like old news.

    Awarding of a Nobel is news in itself. By their nature, Nobel Prizes acknowledge old and widely accepted to be important research. They are often awarded decades after the work in question.

    Pääbo himself is proof of the importance of DNA. He is the 8th parent-child Nobelist:

    Arthur Kornberg (awarded the 1959 Medicine Prize)
    Roger D. Kornberg (awarded the 2006 Chemistry Prize).

    Marie Skłodowska (Chemistry 1911, Physics 1903) and Pierre Curie (Physics 1903)
    Irène Joliot-Curie (Chemistry 1935)

    William Bragg (Physics 1915)
    Lawrence Bragg (Physics 1915)

    Niels Bohr (Physics 1922)
    Aage N. Bohr (Physics 1975)

    Hans von Euler-Chelpin (Chemistry 1929)
    Ulf von Euler (Medicine 1970)

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D

    Joseph John Thomson (Physics 1906)

    George Paget Thomson (Physics 1937)

    It's often said that J.J. Thomson got the Nobel Prize for proving that electrons are particles, and his son G.P. Thomson got the Nobel Prize for proving that electrons are waves.

    , @Brás Cubas
    @Jack D


    Pääbo himself is proof of the importance of DNA.
     
    You clearly have very low standards as to what constitutes proof of something. Here's a study which purports to show that heredity is not that important:
    Family Background and Genius II: Nobel Laureates in Science
    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/070674370505001406

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @John Henry
    @Jack D

    A bit overblown. But thank you. I understand the delay between work and reward. Just remarking that his work is already being used in what I think is a practical sense.

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Jack D

    Manne Siegbahn won the Nobel Prize in physics in 1924 for his work on X-ray spectroscopy.

    His son, Kai Siegbahn, was awarded the physics prize in 1981, for his work on X-ray photoelectron spectroscopy.

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Jack D


    Hans von Euler-Chelpin (Chemistry 1929)
    Ulf von Euler (Medicine 1970)
     
    Both of them were related by descent to the 18th century Swiss mathematician Leonhard Euler, one of the four or five greatest mathematicians who ever lived.
  37. @Hypnotoad666
    @Stogumber


    Technically, if Neanderthals could interbreed and leave their genes with Homo sapiens, that means that the two were no different species, but different races.
     
    Species ends up being a pretty ambiguous term, even among scientists. Lions and Tigers, Polar Bears and Grizzlie Bears, and lots of other different "species" can interbreed. It's basically just the old lumper/splitter thing as to whether you see a new species or just a variant subspecies.

    Replies: @Jack D, @epebble, @Eustace Tilley (not)

    In the modern context, species gets overused for political purposes. If a dam will cause a certain “species” of minnow to become endangered you can stop the building of the dam. Never mind that this “species” of minnow is pretty much the same as the “species” of minnow found in the next stream over except for some slight difference in coloration or whatever.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D

    Fun fish fact: The Golden Trout which lives in little isolated Eastern Sierra lakes above 7,000 ft., is actually a subspecies of Rainbow Trout evolved to that environment. I recently learned that these trout got naturally planted in isolated mountain lakes by birds that carry fish eggs in their poop. The "Golden Trout" is definitely worth protecting, but it's confusing because even this subspecies has its own set of subspecies:


    California's official state fish is the California golden trout. California has three distinct subspecies of rainbow trout commonly grouped as golden trout: Kern River rainbow trout, Little Kern golden trout, and California golden trout. https://calfish.ucdavis.edu/species/?uid=117&ds=241
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @Brutusale, @Catdompanj

    , @Ian Smith
    @Jack D

    Hey hey hey, there’ll be none of that hippie dippie “there’s only one species…the minnow species” cuckoldry around here!

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Never mind that this “species” of minnow is pretty much the same as the “species” of minnow found in the next stream over except for some slight difference in coloration or whatever.
     
    If these are what is termed a "landrace", then, by distinguishing them, aren't we guilty of landracism?
  38. @International Jew
    @Stogumber

    To add to your dilemma: most white people (in North America and Europe anyway) have a smaller percentage of subsaharan genes than they have of Neanderthal genes.

    Replies: @Truth, @Henry's Cat, @epebble

    All Homo Sapiens have “African” genes, if one goes back 50,000 years. Most DNS tests measure recent admixture (about 300 years). Obviously, relatively little mixing of Sub-Saharan people with Whites has happened in Europe. Much more so in North America.

    See https://www.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/sub-saharan-african-dna

  39. @Hypnotoad666
    @Stogumber


    Technically, if Neanderthals could interbreed and leave their genes with Homo sapiens, that means that the two were no different species, but different races.
     
    Species ends up being a pretty ambiguous term, even among scientists. Lions and Tigers, Polar Bears and Grizzlie Bears, and lots of other different "species" can interbreed. It's basically just the old lumper/splitter thing as to whether you see a new species or just a variant subspecies.

    Replies: @Jack D, @epebble, @Eustace Tilley (not)

    Generally, Species can freely interbreed and produce fertile offspring, thus propagating the species. In case of Lions and Tigers, Horses and Donkeys, etc., the offspring are sterile.

    • Agree: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Peter Frost
    @epebble

    Mules occasionally have offspring.


    A few mare mules have produced offspring when mated with a horse or donkey stallion. Herodotus gives an account of such an event as an ill omen of Xerxes' invasion of Greece in 480 BC: "There happened also a portent of another kind while he was still at Sardis—a mule brought forth young and gave birth to a mule" (Herodotus The Histories 7:57), and a mule's giving birth was a frequently recorded portent in antiquity, although scientific writers also doubted whether it was really possible (see e.g. Aristotle, Historia animalium, 6.24; Varro, De re rustica, 2.1.28). Between 1527 and 2002 approximately sixty such births were reported. In Morocco in early 2002 and Colorado in 2007, mare mules produced colts. Blood and hair samples from the Colorado birth verified that the mother was indeed a mule and the foal was indeed her offspring.

    A 1939 article in the Journal of Heredity describes two offspring of a fertile mare mule named "Old Bec", which was owned at the time by Texas A&M University in the late 1920s. One of the foals was a female, sired by a jack. Unlike her mother, she was sterile. The other, sired by a five-gaited Saddlebred stallion, exhibited no characteristics of any donkey. That horse, a stallion, was bred to several mares, which gave birth to live foals that showed no characteristics of the donkey. In a more recent instance, a group from the Federal University of Minas Gerais in 1995 described a female mule that was pregnant for a seventh time, having previously produced two donkey sires, two foals with the typical 63 chromosomes of mules, and several horse stallions that had produced four foals. The three of the latter available for testing each bore 64 horse-like chromosomes. These foals phenotypically resembled horses, though they bore markings absent from the sire’s known lineages, and one had ears noticeably longer than those typical of her sire's breed. The elder two horse-like foals had proved fertile at the time of publication, with their progeny being typical of horses.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule

    There is no fine line between fertile and infertile interbreeding. There is only a continuum of decreasing fertility. In humans, fertility is optimal when you marry your third or fourth cousin. The farther out you marry, the lower will be your chances of having children.

    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-costs-of-outbreeding-few-more-points.html

    Replies: @epebble, @Hypnotoad666, @Jack D

    , @Che Guava
    @epebble

    It's a great shame that the genetic distance with certain human sub-species never quite became wide enough to have the same effect.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @epebble

    I thought this was a good discussion, from an educational site aimed at kids. The part about "introgression" and "backcrosses" would be what happened between Sapiens and Neanderthals.
    https://kids.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/frym.2019.00113


    Can Hybrids Have Babies?
    Mules and bananas are examples of hybrids that are infertile, so they cannot have their own babies. But surprisingly, there are many examples of hybrids that actually can have babies. This happens when the hybrid mates with another hybrid, or with the same species as one of its parents. For example, when lions and tigers hybridize they produce a liger. Ligers are fertile able to reproduce and have babies. Infertile is the opposite, meaning the inability to have babies. and can mate with other ligers, lions, or tigers. Fertile hybrids create a very complex problem in science, because this breaks a rule from the Biological Species Concept—that two separate species should not be able to breed and have fertile offspring. Does this mean the parents of these fertile hybrids are not separate species? No, it just means that the Biological Species Concept is not suitable for every species. Thanks to the discovery that some hybrids are fertile, scientists continue to debate what a species is and probably will do so for many years. This is what makes hybridization is so interesting—it challenges some of our basic scientific ideas [1].

    When hybrids mate with either of their parent species, their offspring are known as backcrossed hybrids [1]. In Figures 2A,B, we see a liger, a hybrid between a lion and tiger that has mated with a tiger. The baby from this mix, the backcrossed hybrid, still has some lion genes. If backcrossing continues for many generations (the backcrossed hybrid mates with a tiger, then its offspring does the same) the percentage of lion genes will get smaller and smaller, but they are not lost completely. This means that lion genes can eventually become part of the tiger species’ gene pool. When one species contains some of the genes of another species, it is known as introgression. When the genes from one species are transferred into another species through hybridization and backcrosses.. This is a powerful evolutionary force, because these new genes may code for new traits or behaviors that could help the parent species [5].

     

  40. @Hypnotoad666
    Based on the cold logical "purpose" of natural selection -- i.e. maximizing the copies of a species' genes -- Neanderthal genes are actually a huge success story. I mean, they went from a 100% market share of the few hundred thousand Neanderthal genotypes circa 40K years ago, to a 2% market share of the six billion non-African genotypes extant today. That's actually a pretty good return on investment.

    Replies: @Pixo, @kaganovitch

    Their genes suck though, so are much more likely to be non-coding. Archaic human genes that are functional are mostly negative, in particular decreased hybrid fertility, and have been removed over time in a purifying evolution.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Pixo

    A common misconception. Most Neanderthal coding genes are harmless and more are positive than negative. Zero Philosopher outlines the benefit of one such gene in this post: https://www.unz.com/isteve/svante-double-umlauts-paabo-wins-nobel-for-sequencing-neanderthal-genome/#comment-5580437

    Neanderthals dominated this planet and t3chnogical innovation for over 100,000 years, and their admixed descendants do, too. The Thal DNA really punches above its weight.

  41. Anonymous[130] • Disclaimer says:

    ØFF TÖPÏK: speaking of wild and crazy Scandinavians, this just in from the Floridian tundra:

    PINELLAS COUNTY – On October 2, 2022 at approximately 3:20 a.m., deputies responded to the area of 2998 58th Avenue North in unincorporated St. Petersburg in reference to a vehicle burglary in progress. The Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office K9 Unit, Flight Unit and patrol deputies responded to the area to locate the suspect. Deputies took one subject into custody.

    According to deputies, as the flight unit was still in the area, three more unrelated suspects were seen by the helicopter attempting to break into vehicles. The Flight Unit maintained visual on the suspects and witnessed them approach a 2016 Silver Maserati that was parked in a driveway near 62nd Avenue North and 28th Street North.

    Deputies say one of the suspects, later identified as 15-year-old Këondrîck Lang, used his t-shirt to open the vehicle door of the Maserati, which was unlocked and the keys were inside. The other two suspects, later identified as 16-year-old Målächï Daniels and 15-year-old Märïø Bonilla, also got into the vehicle and headed eastbound on 62nd Street North with no headlights on.

  42. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pixo
    @Hypnotoad666

    Their genes suck though, so are much more likely to be non-coding. Archaic human genes that are functional are mostly negative, in particular decreased hybrid fertility, and have been removed over time in a purifying evolution.

    Replies: @Anon

    A common misconception. Most Neanderthal coding genes are harmless and more are positive than negative. Zero Philosopher outlines the benefit of one such gene in this post: https://www.unz.com/isteve/svante-double-umlauts-paabo-wins-nobel-for-sequencing-neanderthal-genome/#comment-5580437

    Neanderthals dominated this planet and t3chnogical innovation for over 100,000 years, and their admixed descendants do, too. The Thal DNA really punches above its weight.

  43. @Jack D
    @John Henry


    Except for the part about the current awarding of the Nobel, this seems like old news.
     
    Awarding of a Nobel is news in itself. By their nature, Nobel Prizes acknowledge old and widely accepted to be important research. They are often awarded decades after the work in question.


    Pääbo himself is proof of the importance of DNA. He is the 8th parent-child Nobelist:

    Arthur Kornberg (awarded the 1959 Medicine Prize)
    Roger D. Kornberg (awarded the 2006 Chemistry Prize).

    Marie Skłodowska (Chemistry 1911, Physics 1903) and Pierre Curie (Physics 1903)
    Irène Joliot-Curie (Chemistry 1935)

    William Bragg (Physics 1915)
    Lawrence Bragg (Physics 1915)

    Niels Bohr (Physics 1922)
    Aage N. Bohr (Physics 1975)

    Hans von Euler-Chelpin (Chemistry 1929)
    Ulf von Euler (Medicine 1970)

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Brás Cubas, @John Henry, @PiltdownMan, @PiltdownMan

    Joseph John Thomson (Physics 1906)

    George Paget Thomson (Physics 1937)

    It’s often said that J.J. Thomson got the Nobel Prize for proving that electrons are particles, and his son G.P. Thomson got the Nobel Prize for proving that electrons are waves.

  44. @Redneck farmer
    The NYT seems to imply sub-Saharan Africans are not humans.....

    Replies: @Meretricious

    There’s a new white exec editor, so there’s that. To be fair, sub-Saharans are indeed human BUT they are inferior humans, on average, compared with Europeans and Asians.

    Here’s Lawrence Auster on issue:

    Why do I focus so relentlessly on these endlessly repeated stories of the massive cover-up, followed by the massive exposure, of black criminality and black failure—which is, we should point out, failure by white standards? Beyond its immediate interest and obvious importance, the truthful communication about black dysfunction and violence also serves the larger purpose of this website, which is nothing less than to save the American nation.

    In my view, the greatest single factor driving whites to national suicide is their false guilt over black inferiority. Because whites believe—as modern liberalism has taught them to believe—that all groups have equal inherent abilities, they also believe that the actual inferiority of blacks in almost every area of accomplishment and behavior must be caused by something bad that the whites are invidiously doing to blacks, or by something good that whites are selfishly refusing to do for blacks. However expressed, it all comes down to the idea that black failure is caused by white racism—the transcendent sin of the modern world. And because black inferiority continues, and is even getting worse, the conclusion is that white racism is continuing, and is even getting worse.

    The final result of this woefully mistaken thought process is the paralyzing racial guilt which makes whites feel that they have no right to defend and preserve their civilization, no right to defend and preserve themselves, but that they must instead self-sacrificially open themselves to and empower, not only blacks, but all nonwhites. This self-sacrifice takes numerous forms, including denial of the truth of black anti-white violence, denial of the tyrannical and murderous reality of Islam, and unquestioning acceptance of the mass Third-World immigration that is steadily turning America into a non-European country in which whites and their civilization will be steadily weakened, dispossessed, and destroyed. Therefore, as I began saying in the mid 1990s, if whites could see the truth that blacks’ lesser intelligence and other lesser civilizational abilities are not whites’ fault but are inherent in blacks themselves, it could literally save the country, by freeing whites from their suicidal guilt.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Meretricious

    '...denial of the tyrannical and murderous reality of Islam...'

    This is where I part ways with this sort of thing. I have no particular problem with Islam at all, and while I object to immigrants, I couldn't care less what religion they're practicing. I don't want them, Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, or animist.

    Islam's mighty fine. Iran, Palestine, Egypt, etc, etc -- they can all be as Islamist as they please. Hope it works well. Great -- go for it. But whatever they decide, they can't move here.

    , @BosTex
    @Meretricious

    Man, I really miss Lawrence Auster. What a powerful and thoughtful brain.

    Thanks for sharing.

    , @Erik Sieven
    @Meretricious

    different is not inferior. It is like the differences between gender: males are more likely to attack you, but they are also more likely to protect you. Are they inferior or superior because of that? No just different.

  45. most non-African living humans have inherited a couple of percent or so of our genome from Neanderthals.

    That’s not very inclusive. I’m sure lots of pure black people read iSteve and the rest of UNZ.

  46. @Hypnotoad666
    Based on the cold logical "purpose" of natural selection -- i.e. maximizing the copies of a species' genes -- Neanderthal genes are actually a huge success story. I mean, they went from a 100% market share of the few hundred thousand Neanderthal genotypes circa 40K years ago, to a 2% market share of the six billion non-African genotypes extant today. That's actually a pretty good return on investment.

    Replies: @Pixo, @kaganovitch

    That’s actually a pretty good return on investment.

    Don’t give Larry Fink any ideas or everyone is going to have to get a Soylent Green implant as the condition for renting an apartment.

  47. @Stogumber
    With the Neanderthal I see a very puzzling development.
    Technically, if Neanderthals could interbreed and leave their genes with Homo sapiens, that means that the two were no different species, but different races. Different species don't have common offspring.
    So the media are technically admitting that there were different races, but as the word "race" never must mentioned, zhey now frame it as "Oh look! Species CAN interbreed!"
    Firstly this undermines the scientific terminology estanblished since Darwin.
    Secondly, if Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens were different species, why shouldn't anyone call Whites and Blacks different species, too?

    Replies: @International Jew, @Hypnotoad666, @kaganovitch, @AnotherDad, @Another Polish Perspective, @Happy Tapir

    Different species don’t have common offspring.

    That’s where the invaluable ‘Yakub’ hypothesis comes in handy.

  48. • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Meretricious

    Trump is the gift that keeps giving. This whole hysteria was prompted by Trump Derangement Syndrome and the Leftist controlled art world used his election as a pretext to purge its ranks of (white) liberals in favor of extreme (black) leftists. I (almost) feel sorry for the liberals like Spector but they should never have let dangerous foul mouthed black radicals like Chaédria LaBouvier anywhere near their collections. It's like inviting a wolf to your little Upper West Side dog park to play with the shih tzus and then you are supposed to be surprised when the wolf tears little Fluffy's head off.

    Replies: @Meretricious, @Art Deco

    , @AnotherDad
    @Meretricious


    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/11/guggenheim-racism-controversy-curator-nancy-spector/671529/
     
    LOL, she hypes some garbage whiny "oppressed by whitey" black "art" that looks like something my kids would have a shat out at 3 or 4 ... and ... minoritarian gear grinding ... she's fired.

    Just desserts.

    The only unfortunate thing here is there actually is a bunch of great art--almost all done by white guys--that these goons are nominally in charge of. But that's small beer compared to the actual destruction of the West by this toxic "minorities über alles" ideology.
    , @MEH 0910
    @Meretricious

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/11/guggenheim-racism-controversy-curator-nancy-spector/671529/
    https://archive.ph/qGzPH
    https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1577090220528476161

    Previously:
    https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/09/12/auto-draft-61-n496046
    https://twitter.com/hotairblog/status/1569507946450534400
    H/T: Meretricious

    https://twitter.com/helenlewis/status/1576896418840969216
    https://twitter.com/helenlewis/status/1576897371811721216

    Replies: @Anon

  49. @Jack D
    @John Henry


    Except for the part about the current awarding of the Nobel, this seems like old news.
     
    Awarding of a Nobel is news in itself. By their nature, Nobel Prizes acknowledge old and widely accepted to be important research. They are often awarded decades after the work in question.


    Pääbo himself is proof of the importance of DNA. He is the 8th parent-child Nobelist:

    Arthur Kornberg (awarded the 1959 Medicine Prize)
    Roger D. Kornberg (awarded the 2006 Chemistry Prize).

    Marie Skłodowska (Chemistry 1911, Physics 1903) and Pierre Curie (Physics 1903)
    Irène Joliot-Curie (Chemistry 1935)

    William Bragg (Physics 1915)
    Lawrence Bragg (Physics 1915)

    Niels Bohr (Physics 1922)
    Aage N. Bohr (Physics 1975)

    Hans von Euler-Chelpin (Chemistry 1929)
    Ulf von Euler (Medicine 1970)

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Brás Cubas, @John Henry, @PiltdownMan, @PiltdownMan

    Pääbo himself is proof of the importance of DNA.

    You clearly have very low standards as to what constitutes proof of something. Here’s a study which purports to show that heredity is not that important:
    Family Background and Genius II: Nobel Laureates in Science
    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/070674370505001406

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Brás Cubas

    I think the reasoning in that paper is backward. Rather than comparing the chances of your SON being a Nobel Prize winner (for Nobelists vs. the general population) they ask what are the chances that your FATHER was a Nobelist?

    Of course, given the upward educational mobility of modern society, most Nobelists had fathers who had very modest blue collar backgrounds. Often they describe the fathers as having curious minds and so on but given their lack of formal education they could never have carried out Nobel eligible work.

    But suppose you compare the chances of a Nobel FATHER giving birth to a Nobel prize winning son vs. that of the average blue collar worker. Doesn't the Nobelist father have a much greater chance? And note that in Pääbo's case the influence was purely genetic since he didn't grow up in his father's household.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

  50. Steve, Svante was in Beverly Hills recently to present all of his research and to accept the Masry prize. Many of the giants of genetic research pass through the Los Angeles area

  51. @Steve Sailer
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I am in favor of the Bergstrom-Paabo line carrying on reproducing, even if they do it rather oddly.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @George o' da Jungle, @Dumbo

    “I am in favor of the Bergstrom-Paabo line carrying on reproducing, even if they do it rather oddly.”

    Wiki:

    In Pääbo’s 2014 book Neanderthal Man: In Search of Lost Genomes, he stated that he is openly bisexual – he assumed he was gay until he met Linda Vigilant, an American primatologist and geneticist whose “boyish charms” attracted him. They have co-authored many papers. They are married and raising a son and a daughter together in Leipzig.

    Linda Vigilant? What a name for a Grrll Power superheroine.

    While Pääbo was living in California, he sometimes went to Germany to visit a woman who was attending graduate school at the University of Munich. “I had many relationships with men, but I also had girlfriends now and again,” he told me. The relationship ended; shortly afterward, the University of Munich offered Pääbo an assistant professorship. With no pressing reason to move to Germany, he demurred. The offer was increased to a full professorship: “So then I said, ‘Germany isn’t that bad after all. I’ll go there for a few years.’ ”

    Not that many women are prepared to share their chap with a large number of random others, I imagine because of the disease risk. I knew one Dutch girl at uni who lived with her chap and his chap.

  52. Pää means “head” in Finnish, so probably something close in Estonian as well. Bo usually means a place to live, in Swedish; the Finnish equivalent would be -la, but I don’t see any Estonian surnames ending in that. Wikipedia has a page for Svante’s name, but does not define it:

    https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A4%C3%A4bo

    Estonian Wikipedia lists only Peebo, Pääbo. and Uibo as surnames ending in -bo, defining one of them.

    Maybe I should ask Zimbax, the young Estonian YouTuber who posts fascinating videos of data-driven maps. Unfortunately, YouTube forced him to add his voice or be demonetized. Before that, the channel’s background music and subject were perfect for lulling one to sleep.

  53. Isn’t it wonderful that a white male can still win a Nobel?

    …ahh. He’s homosexual…well, sort of. Still. It must have helped.

  54. @Joe Paluka
    @Hypnotoad666

    The trash media call any individual, or group "extreme right wing" that don't mesh with their world view to instill paroxysms of fear in the general public that Hitler has been cloned by the Russians and is back in a new fuhrenbunker in Moscow.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The trash media call any individual, or group “extreme right wing” that don’t mesh with their world view to instill paroxysms of fear in the general public that Hitler has been cloned…

    Wherever you put the mustachioed poofter on the political spectrum, be sure to place almost every US Republican to his right.

    • Agree: bomag
  55. @Zero Philosopher
    An interesting side story about the sequencing of the Neanderthal and Denivosian genomes is that they discocred a similar sequence in modern humans defined by a single nucleotide polymorphism rs6873545, located in locus 5 of the GHR(growth hormone receptor) at Chr5:42,631,162. It codes for the deletion of the exon-3 of the receptor, a pair deletion of 2,700 nucleotide bases.

    This deletion appeared around 1.5 million years ago as the ancestors of Neanderthals, Denisovians and anatomically modern Humans left Africa. It seems to be geared towards metabolism, a switch that allows humans, especially males, to survive extreme famine

    How this deletion changes physiology is extremely interesting. The deletion, paradoxically, makes the receptor more sensitive to Human growth hormone. As a result, the liver produces more IGF-1(somatostatin C). This in turns, results in IGF-1 suppressing growth hormone release through feedback inhbition. This imrpoves insulon sensitivity and glucose utilization, since growth hormone is insulinogenic. It also decreases cellular division and activates a process called authophagy, which is a type of house cleaning where cells rid themselves of intracellular junk rather than wasting resources on useless growth(you obviously need growth, especially as a child, but it becomes pathogenic at one point and causes cancer)

    Nir Barzilai, from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, discovered that this ancient deletion is strongly associated with longevity and avoidance of diabetes, especially in males. Only 15% of Caucasians are heterozygote for the deletion, and only 4% of homozygonous. Having one of the 3rd exon deleted increases by 2 X your chances of living to 100, and being homozygonous for it increases your odds of living to 100 by 8 X. I happen to be one of those rare 4% that are homozygonous for it. I tried to copy a still of my DNA sequence deletion, but it didn't go through. I don't know why.

    Here is the one on Denisovians:https://www.researchgate.net/figure/A-GHRd3-in-modern-and-ancient-hominin-genomes-These-browser-snapshots-show-the-genome_fig1_336212467

    Anyweys, these ancient genes that result in superior health are disappearing from the gene pool as they are no longer needed in a World where pizza is easily available and the only exercise the average citizen does is walking to the fridge. Nietzsche used to say:

    "What doesn't kill me makes me stronger."

    Well, it is the weaknesas that is killing us. Individuals with mutations loads that would result in certain death as little as 100 yeara ago are coming through due to vaccines, I.C.Us and medication for chronic diseases like statins for arteriosclerosis and beta blockers for high blood pressure. But these crutches are taking away the *real* solution to these problems, which are genes for superior metabolims, as well as for superior will-power that makes one not eat 12,000 calorties a day unnecessarily.

    Replies: @Muggles, @acementhead, @Marquis, @kpkinsunnyphiladelohia

    But these crutches are taking away the *real* solution to these problems, which are genes for superior metabolims, as well as for superior will-power that makes one not eat 12,000 calorties a day unnecessarily.</blockquote

    I think I almost understood most of your post. Interesting nevertheless.

    However you seem to be discounting CRISPER gene editing in your gloomy outlook.

    In the near future human genetics will be easily altered, we are told.

    Of course this may not work out as planned. But if there are supposedly useful genes which no longer have survival benefits, they can be added or conserved.

    Just imagine what the Trans Community will do with that…. (shudder…)

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Muggles

    Ack!

    I block quoted my entire post.

    My own commentary obviously starts with "I think I almost..."

    Sorry for that.

  56. “Pääbo was his Nobel Laureate’s father’s secret son”

    WOW! what are the odds of that! up those numbers for heritability of intelligence to 80% or higher!

    environmentalists OWNED.

    strangely they never argue the sports version of the question.

    it seems to me the entire genes versus environment argument over intelligence is just a subset of the neural net field. for biological nets the initial architecture is set by genes, then altered slightly by training. so of course the 20% environment factor matters, but you’re never turning a honda civic into a lambo. you might mod the civic far beyond factory specs but it will always be a civic. time to see the HeadStart program as a K&N air filter for the dumber kids. added a couple horsepower, let more dirt into the intake, didn’t get them into MIT.

  57. @Muggles
    @Zero Philosopher


    But these crutches are taking away the *real* solution to these problems, which are genes for superior metabolims, as well as for superior will-power that makes one not eat 12,000 calorties a day unnecessarily.</blockquote

    I think I almost understood most of your post. Interesting nevertheless.

    However you seem to be discounting CRISPER gene editing in your gloomy outlook.

    In the near future human genetics will be easily altered, we are told.

    Of course this may not work out as planned. But if there are supposedly useful genes which no longer have survival benefits, they can be added or conserved.

    Just imagine what the Trans Community will do with that.... (shudder...)
     

     

    Replies: @Muggles

    Ack!

    I block quoted my entire post.

    My own commentary obviously starts with “I think I almost…”

    Sorry for that.

  58. @Meretricious
    @Redneck farmer

    There's a new white exec editor, so there's that. To be fair, sub-Saharans are indeed human BUT they are inferior humans, on average, compared with Europeans and Asians.

    Here's Lawrence Auster on issue:

    Why do I focus so relentlessly on these endlessly repeated stories of the massive cover-up, followed by the massive exposure, of black criminality and black failure—which is, we should point out, failure by white standards? Beyond its immediate interest and obvious importance, the truthful communication about black dysfunction and violence also serves the larger purpose of this website, which is nothing less than to save the American nation.

    In my view, the greatest single factor driving whites to national suicide is their false guilt over black inferiority. Because whites believe—as modern liberalism has taught them to believe—that all groups have equal inherent abilities, they also believe that the actual inferiority of blacks in almost every area of accomplishment and behavior must be caused by something bad that the whites are invidiously doing to blacks, or by something good that whites are selfishly refusing to do for blacks. However expressed, it all comes down to the idea that black failure is caused by white racism—the transcendent sin of the modern world. And because black inferiority continues, and is even getting worse, the conclusion is that white racism is continuing, and is even getting worse.

    The final result of this woefully mistaken thought process is the paralyzing racial guilt which makes whites feel that they have no right to defend and preserve their civilization, no right to defend and preserve themselves, but that they must instead self-sacrificially open themselves to and empower, not only blacks, but all nonwhites. This self-sacrifice takes numerous forms, including denial of the truth of black anti-white violence, denial of the tyrannical and murderous reality of Islam, and unquestioning acceptance of the mass Third-World immigration that is steadily turning America into a non-European country in which whites and their civilization will be steadily weakened, dispossessed, and destroyed. Therefore, as I began saying in the mid 1990s, if whites could see the truth that blacks’ lesser intelligence and other lesser civilizational abilities are not whites’ fault but are inherent in blacks themselves, it could literally save the country, by freeing whites from their suicidal guilt.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @BosTex, @Erik Sieven

    ‘…denial of the tyrannical and murderous reality of Islam…’

    This is where I part ways with this sort of thing. I have no particular problem with Islam at all, and while I object to immigrants, I couldn’t care less what religion they’re practicing. I don’t want them, Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, or animist.

    Islam’s mighty fine. Iran, Palestine, Egypt, etc, etc — they can all be as Islamist as they please. Hope it works well. Great — go for it. But whatever they decide, they can’t move here.

  59. @Brás Cubas
    @Jack D


    Pääbo himself is proof of the importance of DNA.
     
    You clearly have very low standards as to what constitutes proof of something. Here's a study which purports to show that heredity is not that important:
    Family Background and Genius II: Nobel Laureates in Science
    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/070674370505001406

    Replies: @Jack D

    I think the reasoning in that paper is backward. Rather than comparing the chances of your SON being a Nobel Prize winner (for Nobelists vs. the general population) they ask what are the chances that your FATHER was a Nobelist?

    Of course, given the upward educational mobility of modern society, most Nobelists had fathers who had very modest blue collar backgrounds. Often they describe the fathers as having curious minds and so on but given their lack of formal education they could never have carried out Nobel eligible work.

    But suppose you compare the chances of a Nobel FATHER giving birth to a Nobel prize winning son vs. that of the average blue collar worker. Doesn’t the Nobelist father have a much greater chance? And note that in Pääbo’s case the influence was purely genetic since he didn’t grow up in his father’s household.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @Jack D

    I concede that your reasoning is sound, but of course what I was saying is that "proof" is just rhetorical excess on your part.


    And note that in Pääbo’s case the influence was purely genetic since he didn’t grow up in his father’s household.
     
    Again, not solid evidence, because his mother's household was very conducive to this outcome, what with his mother being a chemist and all that. Not to mention that he knew who his father was, and that may have influenced him as motivation.
  60. @Steve Sailer
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I am in favor of the Bergstrom-Paabo line carrying on reproducing, even if they do it rather oddly.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @George o' da Jungle, @Dumbo

    Possibly, in light of this, Ikea can start a line of marital aids with the brand name “Pääbo.”

  61. @Meretricious
    Steve, like to see you post on this--might be good for Taki's.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/11/guggenheim-racism-controversy-curator-nancy-spector/671529/

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @MEH 0910

    Trump is the gift that keeps giving. This whole hysteria was prompted by Trump Derangement Syndrome and the Leftist controlled art world used his election as a pretext to purge its ranks of (white) liberals in favor of extreme (black) leftists. I (almost) feel sorry for the liberals like Spector but they should never have let dangerous foul mouthed black radicals like Chaédria LaBouvier anywhere near their collections. It’s like inviting a wolf to your little Upper West Side dog park to play with the shih tzus and then you are supposed to be surprised when the wolf tears little Fluffy’s head off.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Meretricious
    @Jack D

    LOL--couldn't agree with you more, Jack. This Chaédria LaBouvier kerfuffle would make a SPECTACULARLY FUNNY comedy/satire. One funny thing is that the Basquiat "opus" at bar is a real piece of shit--I mean, it's even crappy for Basquiat. Do read the story--it's a hoot. The good news is--and I'm pretty sure about this--Chaédria LaBouvier has been run out of the business, and The Atlantic hit piece is the nail in the coffin. Good riddance, Sistah Chaédria!

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/the-white-house-wanted-a-van-gogh-the-guggenheim-offered-a-used-solid-gold-toilet/2018/01/25/38d574fc-0154-11e8-bb03-722769454f82_story.html


    This was one of Nancy Spector's past maneuvers.


    Again, behind all of these imbroglios is a board failing in its fiduciary duty.

    Replies: @Jack D

  62. @Jack D
    @John Henry


    Except for the part about the current awarding of the Nobel, this seems like old news.
     
    Awarding of a Nobel is news in itself. By their nature, Nobel Prizes acknowledge old and widely accepted to be important research. They are often awarded decades after the work in question.


    Pääbo himself is proof of the importance of DNA. He is the 8th parent-child Nobelist:

    Arthur Kornberg (awarded the 1959 Medicine Prize)
    Roger D. Kornberg (awarded the 2006 Chemistry Prize).

    Marie Skłodowska (Chemistry 1911, Physics 1903) and Pierre Curie (Physics 1903)
    Irène Joliot-Curie (Chemistry 1935)

    William Bragg (Physics 1915)
    Lawrence Bragg (Physics 1915)

    Niels Bohr (Physics 1922)
    Aage N. Bohr (Physics 1975)

    Hans von Euler-Chelpin (Chemistry 1929)
    Ulf von Euler (Medicine 1970)

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Brás Cubas, @John Henry, @PiltdownMan, @PiltdownMan

    A bit overblown. But thank you. I understand the delay between work and reward. Just remarking that his work is already being used in what I think is a practical sense.

  63. @Henry's Cat
    @International Jew

    What are subsaharan genes?

    Replies: @Truth

    …They are Genes comprised of Deoxyribonucleic Acid. I believe that I.J believes that white people’s genes are comprised of something else.

  64. @Jack D
    @Meretricious

    Trump is the gift that keeps giving. This whole hysteria was prompted by Trump Derangement Syndrome and the Leftist controlled art world used his election as a pretext to purge its ranks of (white) liberals in favor of extreme (black) leftists. I (almost) feel sorry for the liberals like Spector but they should never have let dangerous foul mouthed black radicals like Chaédria LaBouvier anywhere near their collections. It's like inviting a wolf to your little Upper West Side dog park to play with the shih tzus and then you are supposed to be surprised when the wolf tears little Fluffy's head off.

    Replies: @Meretricious, @Art Deco

    LOL–couldn’t agree with you more, Jack. This Chaédria LaBouvier kerfuffle would make a SPECTACULARLY FUNNY comedy/satire. One funny thing is that the Basquiat “opus” at bar is a real piece of shit–I mean, it’s even crappy for Basquiat. Do read the story–it’s a hoot. The good news is–and I’m pretty sure about this–Chaédria LaBouvier has been run out of the business, and The Atlantic hit piece is the nail in the coffin. Good riddance, Sistah Chaédria!

  65. @epebble
    @Hypnotoad666

    Generally, Species can freely interbreed and produce fertile offspring, thus propagating the species. In case of Lions and Tigers, Horses and Donkeys, etc., the offspring are sterile.

    Replies: @Peter Frost, @Che Guava, @Hypnotoad666

    Mules occasionally have offspring.

    A few mare mules have produced offspring when mated with a horse or donkey stallion. Herodotus gives an account of such an event as an ill omen of Xerxes’ invasion of Greece in 480 BC: “There happened also a portent of another kind while he was still at Sardis—a mule brought forth young and gave birth to a mule” (Herodotus The Histories 7:57), and a mule’s giving birth was a frequently recorded portent in antiquity, although scientific writers also doubted whether it was really possible (see e.g. Aristotle, Historia animalium, 6.24; Varro, De re rustica, 2.1.28). Between 1527 and 2002 approximately sixty such births were reported. In Morocco in early 2002 and Colorado in 2007, mare mules produced colts. Blood and hair samples from the Colorado birth verified that the mother was indeed a mule and the foal was indeed her offspring.

    A 1939 article in the Journal of Heredity describes two offspring of a fertile mare mule named “Old Bec”, which was owned at the time by Texas A&M University in the late 1920s. One of the foals was a female, sired by a jack. Unlike her mother, she was sterile. The other, sired by a five-gaited Saddlebred stallion, exhibited no characteristics of any donkey. That horse, a stallion, was bred to several mares, which gave birth to live foals that showed no characteristics of the donkey. In a more recent instance, a group from the Federal University of Minas Gerais in 1995 described a female mule that was pregnant for a seventh time, having previously produced two donkey sires, two foals with the typical 63 chromosomes of mules, and several horse stallions that had produced four foals. The three of the latter available for testing each bore 64 horse-like chromosomes. These foals phenotypically resembled horses, though they bore markings absent from the sire’s known lineages, and one had ears noticeably longer than those typical of her sire’s breed. The elder two horse-like foals had proved fertile at the time of publication, with their progeny being typical of horses.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule

    There is no fine line between fertile and infertile interbreeding. There is only a continuum of decreasing fertility. In humans, fertility is optimal when you marry your third or fourth cousin. The farther out you marry, the lower will be your chances of having children.

    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-costs-of-outbreeding-few-more-points.html

    • Thanks: Hypnotoad666, TWS
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Peter Frost

    The farther out you marry, the lower will be your chances of having children.

    At least in melting pot countries like Americas, Australia, NZ etc., this has not been true. Per 2020 Census, U.S. has 34 million people who are multiracial.

    https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Peter Frost


    A few mare mules have produced offspring when mated with a horse or donkey stallion.
     
    Interesting. I suppose if you mated these fertile mule offspring together you could eventually get a line of fertile mules that bred true. But then again, there are plenty of horses and donkeys around, so why bother.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Jack D
    @Peter Frost

    This is not like humans marrying their cousins. Because horses and donkeys have different #'s of chromosomes, mules are almost always infertile.

    Hybrids are often infertile - the bananas that we eat are an infertile (therefore seedless) cross of two wild banana species. Their wild banana parents have hard seeds mixed with the soft banana flesh.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Inside_a_wild-type_banana.jpg

    This makes them useful for doing what fruits are supposed to do, which is to produce banana trees (often the strategy is to get some creature to eat the fruit and spread the seeds in their poop) but not very good eating. We enjoy eating seedless infertile hybrid bananas because we can eat the whole fruit and don't have to pick out the crunchy seeds out of the flesh. (The bananas that we eat propagate from root cuttings but since this is an asexual form of reproduction, there is no genetic diversity in bananas - they are all clones of each other. If one banana tree in a plantation gets a disease they all get it. Potatoes propagate in a similar way which led to the potato famine in Ireland)

    Male mules are 100% infertile AFAIK. There are a handful of known cases of female mules being fertile as you mention above, out of the millions of mules that have existed. And when they produce offspring the offspring is unstable - some revert back to being either horses or donkeys. So it's not a continuum at all.

  66. @Jack D
    @Brás Cubas

    I think the reasoning in that paper is backward. Rather than comparing the chances of your SON being a Nobel Prize winner (for Nobelists vs. the general population) they ask what are the chances that your FATHER was a Nobelist?

    Of course, given the upward educational mobility of modern society, most Nobelists had fathers who had very modest blue collar backgrounds. Often they describe the fathers as having curious minds and so on but given their lack of formal education they could never have carried out Nobel eligible work.

    But suppose you compare the chances of a Nobel FATHER giving birth to a Nobel prize winning son vs. that of the average blue collar worker. Doesn't the Nobelist father have a much greater chance? And note that in Pääbo's case the influence was purely genetic since he didn't grow up in his father's household.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    I concede that your reasoning is sound, but of course what I was saying is that “proof” is just rhetorical excess on your part.

    And note that in Pääbo’s case the influence was purely genetic since he didn’t grow up in his father’s household.

    Again, not solid evidence, because his mother’s household was very conducive to this outcome, what with his mother being a chemist and all that. Not to mention that he knew who his father was, and that may have influenced him as motivation.

  67. “ has physiological relevance today, for example affecting how our immune system reacts to infections.”
    And that’s the only thing that genes can affect. We know who you people are who think otherwise, you Crimethinkers you.

    • LOL: acementhead
  68. And the winner is……..Not COVID vaccines.

  69. So how many Nobel prizes have gone to the children of Nobel prize winner?

    I once heard it was 6, so Paabo would be the 7th. Is there a precise count anywhere?

    The NY Times once had an editorial saying that intelligence is obviously not hereditary, or else the children of Nobel prize winners would be winning Nobel prizes.

    And how many LGBTQIA winners have we had?

  70. Pääbo is also a flaming fag. Read his book.

  71. Iranian missiles with honest-to-god KEY LOCKS on them.

  72. @epebble
    @Hypnotoad666

    Generally, Species can freely interbreed and produce fertile offspring, thus propagating the species. In case of Lions and Tigers, Horses and Donkeys, etc., the offspring are sterile.

    Replies: @Peter Frost, @Che Guava, @Hypnotoad666

    It’s a great shame that the genetic distance with certain human sub-species never quite became wide enough to have the same effect.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Che Guava

    LOL, all of the Unzistas with Asian wives would be happy their daughters couldn't reproduce.

  73. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    In the modern context, species gets overused for political purposes. If a dam will cause a certain "species" of minnow to become endangered you can stop the building of the dam. Never mind that this "species" of minnow is pretty much the same as the "species" of minnow found in the next stream over except for some slight difference in coloration or whatever.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Ian Smith, @Reg Cæsar

    Fun fish fact: The Golden Trout which lives in little isolated Eastern Sierra lakes above 7,000 ft., is actually a subspecies of Rainbow Trout evolved to that environment. I recently learned that these trout got naturally planted in isolated mountain lakes by birds that carry fish eggs in their poop. The “Golden Trout” is definitely worth protecting, but it’s confusing because even this subspecies has its own set of subspecies:

    California’s official state fish is the California golden trout. California has three distinct subspecies of rainbow trout commonly grouped as golden trout: Kern River rainbow trout, Little Kern golden trout, and California golden trout. https://calfish.ucdavis.edu/species/?uid=117&ds=241

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    A lot of fish species are just fish populations that somehow got isolated by some natural event and then evolved slightly to fit their isolated environment (or sometimes just randomly - a species will go thru a bottleneck event and ma and pa just happened to be a couple of weird specimens). The end of the last Ice Age left N. America dotted with isolated lakes and ponds and kettles galore. Land creatures can travel but fish are (more or less) stuck where they are.

    , @Anonymous
    @Hypnotoad666

    That's interesting. There are lakes high up in the Andes that are full of fish. This would explain how they got there.

    , @Colin Wright
    @Hypnotoad666

    My understanding is that the Golden Trout was actually originally native only to Firestone Creek, a tributary of the Kern River. It's largely a Rainbow that evolved to match the rocks in its native environment. Invariably, if Rainbows are planted alongside Golden Trout, the Goldens will get bred out. It only persista in other locations by virtue of being the only subspecies planted there.

    Perhaps irrelevantly, I was once backpacking around Mineral King and coming downhill alongside a stream on a rainy afternoon. There was a large, pale granite boulder in the stream -- and alongside it was a virtually albino trout. It must have been one of the few places where such a specimen stood any chance at all.

    , @Brutusale
    @Hypnotoad666

    Chuck Yeager and the golden trout:

    http://www.owensvalleyhistory.com/stories/yeager_operation%20golden%20trout.pdf

    , @Catdompanj
    @Hypnotoad666

    Completely intact fish eggs that have been swallowed, digested, then pooped out, hundreds of miles later.. sounds logical. Orrrrr....there was a worldwide flood?

    Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)

  74. OT: California Gov. Gavin Newsom Signs Bill Blocking Rap Lyrics as Evidence in Criminal Cases

    Gavin Newsom is annoyed that his dumb black constituents keep bragging about their crimes and getting themselves into trouble.

    https://urbanhollywood411.com/newsom-signs-rap-lyrics-bill/

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
  75. @Peter Frost
    @epebble

    Mules occasionally have offspring.


    A few mare mules have produced offspring when mated with a horse or donkey stallion. Herodotus gives an account of such an event as an ill omen of Xerxes' invasion of Greece in 480 BC: "There happened also a portent of another kind while he was still at Sardis—a mule brought forth young and gave birth to a mule" (Herodotus The Histories 7:57), and a mule's giving birth was a frequently recorded portent in antiquity, although scientific writers also doubted whether it was really possible (see e.g. Aristotle, Historia animalium, 6.24; Varro, De re rustica, 2.1.28). Between 1527 and 2002 approximately sixty such births were reported. In Morocco in early 2002 and Colorado in 2007, mare mules produced colts. Blood and hair samples from the Colorado birth verified that the mother was indeed a mule and the foal was indeed her offspring.

    A 1939 article in the Journal of Heredity describes two offspring of a fertile mare mule named "Old Bec", which was owned at the time by Texas A&M University in the late 1920s. One of the foals was a female, sired by a jack. Unlike her mother, she was sterile. The other, sired by a five-gaited Saddlebred stallion, exhibited no characteristics of any donkey. That horse, a stallion, was bred to several mares, which gave birth to live foals that showed no characteristics of the donkey. In a more recent instance, a group from the Federal University of Minas Gerais in 1995 described a female mule that was pregnant for a seventh time, having previously produced two donkey sires, two foals with the typical 63 chromosomes of mules, and several horse stallions that had produced four foals. The three of the latter available for testing each bore 64 horse-like chromosomes. These foals phenotypically resembled horses, though they bore markings absent from the sire’s known lineages, and one had ears noticeably longer than those typical of her sire's breed. The elder two horse-like foals had proved fertile at the time of publication, with their progeny being typical of horses.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule

    There is no fine line between fertile and infertile interbreeding. There is only a continuum of decreasing fertility. In humans, fertility is optimal when you marry your third or fourth cousin. The farther out you marry, the lower will be your chances of having children.

    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-costs-of-outbreeding-few-more-points.html

    Replies: @epebble, @Hypnotoad666, @Jack D

    The farther out you marry, the lower will be your chances of having children.

    At least in melting pot countries like Americas, Australia, NZ etc., this has not been true. Per 2020 Census, U.S. has 34 million people who are multiracial.

    https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measures-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html

  76. @epebble
    @Hypnotoad666

    Generally, Species can freely interbreed and produce fertile offspring, thus propagating the species. In case of Lions and Tigers, Horses and Donkeys, etc., the offspring are sterile.

    Replies: @Peter Frost, @Che Guava, @Hypnotoad666

    I thought this was a good discussion, from an educational site aimed at kids. The part about “introgression” and “backcrosses” would be what happened between Sapiens and Neanderthals.
    https://kids.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/frym.2019.00113

    Can Hybrids Have Babies?
    Mules and bananas are examples of hybrids that are infertile, so they cannot have their own babies. But surprisingly, there are many examples of hybrids that actually can have babies. This happens when the hybrid mates with another hybrid, or with the same species as one of its parents. For example, when lions and tigers hybridize they produce a liger. Ligers are fertile able to reproduce and have babies. Infertile is the opposite, meaning the inability to have babies. and can mate with other ligers, lions, or tigers. Fertile hybrids create a very complex problem in science, because this breaks a rule from the Biological Species Concept—that two separate species should not be able to breed and have fertile offspring. Does this mean the parents of these fertile hybrids are not separate species? No, it just means that the Biological Species Concept is not suitable for every species. Thanks to the discovery that some hybrids are fertile, scientists continue to debate what a species is and probably will do so for many years. This is what makes hybridization is so interesting—it challenges some of our basic scientific ideas [1].

    When hybrids mate with either of their parent species, their offspring are known as backcrossed hybrids [1]. In Figures 2A,B, we see a liger, a hybrid between a lion and tiger that has mated with a tiger. The baby from this mix, the backcrossed hybrid, still has some lion genes. If backcrossing continues for many generations (the backcrossed hybrid mates with a tiger, then its offspring does the same) the percentage of lion genes will get smaller and smaller, but they are not lost completely. This means that lion genes can eventually become part of the tiger species’ gene pool. When one species contains some of the genes of another species, it is known as introgression. When the genes from one species are transferred into another species through hybridization and backcrosses.. This is a powerful evolutionary force, because these new genes may code for new traits or behaviors that could help the parent species [5].

  77. @Peter Frost
    @epebble

    Mules occasionally have offspring.


    A few mare mules have produced offspring when mated with a horse or donkey stallion. Herodotus gives an account of such an event as an ill omen of Xerxes' invasion of Greece in 480 BC: "There happened also a portent of another kind while he was still at Sardis—a mule brought forth young and gave birth to a mule" (Herodotus The Histories 7:57), and a mule's giving birth was a frequently recorded portent in antiquity, although scientific writers also doubted whether it was really possible (see e.g. Aristotle, Historia animalium, 6.24; Varro, De re rustica, 2.1.28). Between 1527 and 2002 approximately sixty such births were reported. In Morocco in early 2002 and Colorado in 2007, mare mules produced colts. Blood and hair samples from the Colorado birth verified that the mother was indeed a mule and the foal was indeed her offspring.

    A 1939 article in the Journal of Heredity describes two offspring of a fertile mare mule named "Old Bec", which was owned at the time by Texas A&M University in the late 1920s. One of the foals was a female, sired by a jack. Unlike her mother, she was sterile. The other, sired by a five-gaited Saddlebred stallion, exhibited no characteristics of any donkey. That horse, a stallion, was bred to several mares, which gave birth to live foals that showed no characteristics of the donkey. In a more recent instance, a group from the Federal University of Minas Gerais in 1995 described a female mule that was pregnant for a seventh time, having previously produced two donkey sires, two foals with the typical 63 chromosomes of mules, and several horse stallions that had produced four foals. The three of the latter available for testing each bore 64 horse-like chromosomes. These foals phenotypically resembled horses, though they bore markings absent from the sire’s known lineages, and one had ears noticeably longer than those typical of her sire's breed. The elder two horse-like foals had proved fertile at the time of publication, with their progeny being typical of horses.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule

    There is no fine line between fertile and infertile interbreeding. There is only a continuum of decreasing fertility. In humans, fertility is optimal when you marry your third or fourth cousin. The farther out you marry, the lower will be your chances of having children.

    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-costs-of-outbreeding-few-more-points.html

    Replies: @epebble, @Hypnotoad666, @Jack D

    A few mare mules have produced offspring when mated with a horse or donkey stallion.

    Interesting. I suppose if you mated these fertile mule offspring together you could eventually get a line of fertile mules that bred true. But then again, there are plenty of horses and donkeys around, so why bother.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    No. This is not like breeding dogs (who are all a type of wolf).

    A mule has 63 chromosomes, intermediate between the 64 of the horse and the 62 of the donkey. This is not a stable #. Male mules are totally sterile. Some of the offspring from mating a female mule with a donkey or a horse (in the even the female mule is fertile at all, which it usually isn't) will be 63 chromosome mules, some will have 64 and be horses and others will have 62 and be donkeys. You could repeat this for 100 generations and they would still not breed true.

    Since mules have certain advantages as work animals, if it had been possible to breed a self reproducing line of mules, someone would have done it long ago but it wasn't.

    Replies: @epebble, @HA

  78. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D

    Fun fish fact: The Golden Trout which lives in little isolated Eastern Sierra lakes above 7,000 ft., is actually a subspecies of Rainbow Trout evolved to that environment. I recently learned that these trout got naturally planted in isolated mountain lakes by birds that carry fish eggs in their poop. The "Golden Trout" is definitely worth protecting, but it's confusing because even this subspecies has its own set of subspecies:


    California's official state fish is the California golden trout. California has three distinct subspecies of rainbow trout commonly grouped as golden trout: Kern River rainbow trout, Little Kern golden trout, and California golden trout. https://calfish.ucdavis.edu/species/?uid=117&ds=241
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @Brutusale, @Catdompanj

    A lot of fish species are just fish populations that somehow got isolated by some natural event and then evolved slightly to fit their isolated environment (or sometimes just randomly – a species will go thru a bottleneck event and ma and pa just happened to be a couple of weird specimens). The end of the last Ice Age left N. America dotted with isolated lakes and ponds and kettles galore. Land creatures can travel but fish are (more or less) stuck where they are.

  79. What!

    You’re telling me ((Bourla)) and Pfizer didn’t get the Nobel in Medicine for Safe and Effective™ ???

    shockedbaby.jpg

  80. @Hypnotoad666
    @Peter Frost


    A few mare mules have produced offspring when mated with a horse or donkey stallion.
     
    Interesting. I suppose if you mated these fertile mule offspring together you could eventually get a line of fertile mules that bred true. But then again, there are plenty of horses and donkeys around, so why bother.

    Replies: @Jack D

    No. This is not like breeding dogs (who are all a type of wolf).

    A mule has 63 chromosomes, intermediate between the 64 of the horse and the 62 of the donkey. This is not a stable #. Male mules are totally sterile. Some of the offspring from mating a female mule with a donkey or a horse (in the even the female mule is fertile at all, which it usually isn’t) will be 63 chromosome mules, some will have 64 and be horses and others will have 62 and be donkeys. You could repeat this for 100 generations and they would still not breed true.

    Since mules have certain advantages as work animals, if it had been possible to breed a self reproducing line of mules, someone would have done it long ago but it wasn’t.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Jack D

    This is similar (but not the same) as Mendel's experiments. However much he bred them, he never got light, purple-colored flowers on his pea plants. It was always 3 purples to 1 white (plants producing a particular color flowers).

    https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/resources/1999-mendel-s-experiments

    , @HA
    @Jack D

    "mules have certain advantages as work animals..."


    Another interesting thing about mules:


    Mules have outperformed both parents, and even dogs, on cognition tests [11,12], showing that hybrid vigor may even enhance cognitive function [13].
     
    Smarter doesn't always mean easier to train -- in some cases, it can make that more difficult, in the sense that one has to demonstrate more clearly why doing a given task is actually to the animals advantage.

    Replies: @Anstay Ithsmay

  81. @Zero Philosopher
    An interesting side story about the sequencing of the Neanderthal and Denivosian genomes is that they discocred a similar sequence in modern humans defined by a single nucleotide polymorphism rs6873545, located in locus 5 of the GHR(growth hormone receptor) at Chr5:42,631,162. It codes for the deletion of the exon-3 of the receptor, a pair deletion of 2,700 nucleotide bases.

    This deletion appeared around 1.5 million years ago as the ancestors of Neanderthals, Denisovians and anatomically modern Humans left Africa. It seems to be geared towards metabolism, a switch that allows humans, especially males, to survive extreme famine

    How this deletion changes physiology is extremely interesting. The deletion, paradoxically, makes the receptor more sensitive to Human growth hormone. As a result, the liver produces more IGF-1(somatostatin C). This in turns, results in IGF-1 suppressing growth hormone release through feedback inhbition. This imrpoves insulon sensitivity and glucose utilization, since growth hormone is insulinogenic. It also decreases cellular division and activates a process called authophagy, which is a type of house cleaning where cells rid themselves of intracellular junk rather than wasting resources on useless growth(you obviously need growth, especially as a child, but it becomes pathogenic at one point and causes cancer)

    Nir Barzilai, from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, discovered that this ancient deletion is strongly associated with longevity and avoidance of diabetes, especially in males. Only 15% of Caucasians are heterozygote for the deletion, and only 4% of homozygonous. Having one of the 3rd exon deleted increases by 2 X your chances of living to 100, and being homozygonous for it increases your odds of living to 100 by 8 X. I happen to be one of those rare 4% that are homozygonous for it. I tried to copy a still of my DNA sequence deletion, but it didn't go through. I don't know why.

    Here is the one on Denisovians:https://www.researchgate.net/figure/A-GHRd3-in-modern-and-ancient-hominin-genomes-These-browser-snapshots-show-the-genome_fig1_336212467

    Anyweys, these ancient genes that result in superior health are disappearing from the gene pool as they are no longer needed in a World where pizza is easily available and the only exercise the average citizen does is walking to the fridge. Nietzsche used to say:

    "What doesn't kill me makes me stronger."

    Well, it is the weaknesas that is killing us. Individuals with mutations loads that would result in certain death as little as 100 yeara ago are coming through due to vaccines, I.C.Us and medication for chronic diseases like statins for arteriosclerosis and beta blockers for high blood pressure. But these crutches are taking away the *real* solution to these problems, which are genes for superior metabolims, as well as for superior will-power that makes one not eat 12,000 calorties a day unnecessarily.

    Replies: @Muggles, @acementhead, @Marquis, @kpkinsunnyphiladelohia

    “…activates a process called authophagy..”

    I’ve always liked the idea of eating authors; nice to know that it’s a natural thing determined by genes. I was worried that it was just me and that I might be a bit different in some way.

    • Replies: @Zero Philosopher
    @acementhead

    You are twisting your panties over a simplle mispelling. I meant autophagy. From the Greek:"self eating".

    Replies: @acementhead

  82. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, a group of apparent Batman Villains nicknamed “The Mean Green Negresses” attacked and robbed random subway riders in the ultra bizarre third-world shithole formerly known as “New York City.”

    This wasn’t the Bronx! This was in Times Square, no less! Where the tourists go!

    The question begged is what sane working person, or rational tourist, would actually choose to live in or visit this dark pointless madhouse of a city?

  83. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D

    Fun fish fact: The Golden Trout which lives in little isolated Eastern Sierra lakes above 7,000 ft., is actually a subspecies of Rainbow Trout evolved to that environment. I recently learned that these trout got naturally planted in isolated mountain lakes by birds that carry fish eggs in their poop. The "Golden Trout" is definitely worth protecting, but it's confusing because even this subspecies has its own set of subspecies:


    California's official state fish is the California golden trout. California has three distinct subspecies of rainbow trout commonly grouped as golden trout: Kern River rainbow trout, Little Kern golden trout, and California golden trout. https://calfish.ucdavis.edu/species/?uid=117&ds=241
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @Brutusale, @Catdompanj

    That’s interesting. There are lakes high up in the Andes that are full of fish. This would explain how they got there.

  84. @Brás Cubas
    He has co-authored some papers on Covid-19. First this one:

    The major genetic risk factor for severe COVID-19 is inherited from Neanderthals
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2818-3

    Then this one which reverses the former's conclusions:

    A genomic region associated with protection against severe COVID-19 is inherited from Neandertals
    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2026309118

    Replies: @Anon

    The second paper doesn’t contradict the first. These studies are complimentary.

  85. @Stogumber
    With the Neanderthal I see a very puzzling development.
    Technically, if Neanderthals could interbreed and leave their genes with Homo sapiens, that means that the two were no different species, but different races. Different species don't have common offspring.
    So the media are technically admitting that there were different races, but as the word "race" never must mentioned, zhey now frame it as "Oh look! Species CAN interbreed!"
    Firstly this undermines the scientific terminology estanblished since Darwin.
    Secondly, if Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens were different species, why shouldn't anyone call Whites and Blacks different species, too?

    Replies: @International Jew, @Hypnotoad666, @kaganovitch, @AnotherDad, @Another Polish Perspective, @Happy Tapir

    Technically, if Neanderthals could interbreed and leave their genes with Homo sapiens, that means that the two were no different species, but different races. Different species don’t have common offspring.

    Species is more like “naturally interbreeds in the wild”.

    Plenty of species can interbreed and produce at least some fertile offspring.

    As far as I know we don’t really have any idea how interfertile Neanderthals and Humans were. I’d suggest–not necessarily all that much. Our ‘thal DNA is all autosomal isn’t it? Nothing shows up in mtDNA nor on the (small) Y-chromosome.

    So, you could have some scenario where a neanderthal caveman captures a human girl. Her male offspring aren’t particularly impressive or even necessarily fertile, but her female offspring are good enough. And some of her female 1/2-n-1/2 offspring are captured by humans and their offspring–or at least some of them–are fertile. The battle went on thousands of years so there were probably a good number of these scenarios.

    You can concoct your own scenario but something like that seems to me to be the likely path. General inter-fertility doesn’t seem as likely given that our mitochondrial and Y-chromosome DNA seems to be all human.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Anon
    @AnotherDad

    1.) Neandertals were human.

    2.) There was no "battles".

    3.) Most Neandertals were already partially Sapiens by 200,000 years ago. All Neandertal mtDNA lineages in Europe and Asia are replaced by Sapiens lineages from Africa by 200k years ago, after an earlier "out of Africa" wave that involved a lineage distantly related to ours. A link describing this event is found below.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms16046

    All pre-50k year old Neanderthal remains from southwest Asia, where the interbreeding actually took place, are anatomically intermediate between Sapiens and Neandertals, suggesting additional geneflow that hasn't been uncovered yet (none of the southwest Asian Neanderthals have yielded a DNA profile due to the shitty weather).
    The intermixing in the Levant and central Asia probably involved super-hybridized Neandertals who are likely to have been genetically compatible with h.s.S.


    4.) Small amounts of Neanderthal ancestry is present on the X chromosome and the variation between ethnicities is extreme. The highest Neanderthal X DNA is found in the Balochi, the lowest is observed in Eskimo (see Table S2 at the bottom of the PDF file: https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdfExtended/S0960-9822(16)30247-0)

    Replies: @Truth

  86. @Bardon Kaldian
    Virtually all science Nobels are well deserved. This one, too.

    Estonians are like Finns and Hungarians, our semi-exotic- faux-Asian relatives.

    Absurd: In Pääbo's 2014 book Neanderthal Man: In Search of Lost Genomes, he stated that he is openly bisexual – he assumed he was gay until he met Linda Vigilant, an American primatologist and geneticist whose "boyish charms" attracted him. They have co-authored many papers. They are married and raising a son and a daughter together in Leipzig.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad

    Absurd: In Pääbo’s 2014 book Neanderthal Man: In Search of Lost Genomes, he stated that he is openly bisexual – he assumed he was gay until he met Linda Vigilant, an American primatologist and geneticist whose “boyish charms” attracted him.

    Don’t know about her “boyish charms”. Pulled up a pic and she looks like a decidedly normal woman. (At least the ones where she has normal gal hair.)

    Pääbo on the other hand is a decidedly weird looking bird who definitely doesn’t radiate “manly”.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Look, I could see that if dudes were your thing and for some reason there were no dudes around, if you turned the lights down low and squinted a bit, you could pretend that Linda was a dude.

    https://www.pri.kyoto-u.ac.jp/research/meetings/2002/saga5/abstract/oral/kinda.24.jpg

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @John Johnson

  87. OT — It’s a little complicated to follow the Darrell Brooks trial because it is not yet streaming, but it’s pretty much going as you would expect. Jury selection is trudging along without Mr Brooks, who is spending a lot of time outside of the courtroom because of his behavior. After Castro-worthy cascades of continuous babble, Brooks settled for pretending to nap, and waving away bailiffs who nudged him. Out of 41 possible jurors, only one had not heard of the supremacist mass murderer.
    A possible clue to why Mr Brooks decided to waive his right to counsel: in his few non-outburst reactions to Judge Dorow, he made a point of replying with the wrong wording; likewise on his attorney waiver form he put “I am informed” instead of “I understand.” So maybe he thinks he can spike the legitimacy of the trial with Sovereign Citizen crap.
    Early on he demanded to know the judge’s name (she pointed to her name plate and reminded Brooks that her name is on all the documents) and to see the oath of office papers which symbolically make her a judge.
    Once the jurors are selected the trial will be streamed.

  88. @Hypnotoad666
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Brazil’s far-right president Jair Bolsonaro will face leftwing former leader Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva . . .
     
    Interesting that it's "far-right" vs "leftwing." Why not "far-left" vs. "right-wing?" Also, it seems like understating "far-right" voters is now a systemic feature of all pre-election polling. That's certainly the case in the U.S., as the upcoming midterm results will show, IMHO.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka, @Curmudgeon

    The fact that they are using “right” or “left” at all, tells you its a steaming pile of male bovine excrement.

  89. @Meretricious
    Steve, like to see you post on this--might be good for Taki's.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/11/guggenheim-racism-controversy-curator-nancy-spector/671529/

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @MEH 0910

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/11/guggenheim-racism-controversy-curator-nancy-spector/671529/

    LOL, she hypes some garbage whiny “oppressed by whitey” black “art” that looks like something my kids would have a shat out at 3 or 4 … and … minoritarian gear grinding … she’s fired.

    Just desserts.

    The only unfortunate thing here is there actually is a bunch of great art–almost all done by white guys–that these goons are nominally in charge of. But that’s small beer compared to the actual destruction of the West by this toxic “minorities über alles” ideology.

  90. @Hypnotoad666
    @Stogumber


    Technically, if Neanderthals could interbreed and leave their genes with Homo sapiens, that means that the two were no different species, but different races.
     
    Species ends up being a pretty ambiguous term, even among scientists. Lions and Tigers, Polar Bears and Grizzlie Bears, and lots of other different "species" can interbreed. It's basically just the old lumper/splitter thing as to whether you see a new species or just a variant subspecies.

    Replies: @Jack D, @epebble, @Eustace Tilley (not)

    The point is that, although lions and tigers can indeed produce offspring, the offspring cannot produce offspring. In other words, “ligers” can’t have kids, just as mules can’t have kids. Ergo, lions and tigers do not share a common “gene pool”. One cannot mate a “she-mule” with a “he-mule” and get a mule; it has to be a horse and an ass (“donkey” for the more delicate of sensibility). I suppose that’s the reason that, although we have English words for “stallion”, “mare”, “jackass”, and “jenny ass”, we have no words for “she-mule” or “he-mule”. Our agriculturalist ancestors were realistic and practical people and did not coin useless words.

    Governor Hochul of New York accused those opposed to her quasi-infanticidal policy of being “Neanderthals”, but no one had the wit to accuse her of “racism”. Perhaps we can be grateful that they only still exist as ghostly fragments subsumed within our DNA threads rather than as an angry part of the Coalition of the Fringes, complete with a Neanderthal Caucus in the House of Representatives.

    If “Joe Biden” wishes to increase the national debt, perhaps he can set the CIA to work trying to sequence a complete Neanderthal genome. Maybe Mia Farrow will do the honors of being surrogate mother.

    “There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamed of in your philosophies.” Is it at least conceivable, oh ye learned Sailer-heads, that his lack of Magick Neanderthal DNA is what’s “wrong” with Homo africanus barbarus idioticus?

    It amuses me that Svante Double Umlaut has won the Nobel for Physiology or Medicine, when his work is not really physiology and not really medicine. He has actually won the Prize in Physiology nor Medicine.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    his work is not really physiology and not really medicine

    It may not be medicine now, but the science will be used in 30 years to do a lot of interesting things. The most prestigious award in Computer Science is named after A.M. Turing, though Turing never touched a transistor, let alone a silicon chip.

  91. any smarter people out there buy my theory–totally unsubstantiated, like all the best theories–that it’s the neandrathal/denisovan genetic material tha afforded western man the enhanced conceptual ability to create civilization while sub-saharn afriques, to this day, remain way behind? Dunno, sounds pretty good to me.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    @anonymous

    I have long ceased to believe the 'recent out of Africa' theories.

    Even the ancestors of populations like Dravidian in India and somewhat related to them, Aborigines in Australia must have left Africa well over 50,000 years ago.

    I once read a claim that people in the U.S.S.R. were trying to cross-breed other great apes with humans to create a slave-race to serve the great new state.

    I always suspected that it was just loonie propaganda.

    However, it always made me wonder if such was possible.

    Have never seen any answer in either way.

    If it was possible, even only in the distant past, the populations that had early left Africa had no effect from it, the later departures only a little. but in parts of Africa itself, why not? AI programs make that selection.

    Europeans made some links with Neanderthal, east Asians more with Denisovian, many other distinctive groups outside Africa.

    Replies: @exnay on, @Anonymous

  92. Winners Of The 2023 Breakthrough Prizes In Life Sciences, Mathematics And Fundamental Physics Announced
    https://breakthroughprize.org/News/73

    September 22, 2022 – San Francisco – The Breakthrough Prize Foundation and its founding sponsors – Sergey Brin, Priscilla Chan and Mark Zuckerberg, Julia and Yuri Milner, and Anne Wojcicki – today announced the 2023 Breakthrough Prize laureates, recognized for their game-changing discoveries in Fundamental Physics, Life Sciences and Mathematics, along with early-career scientists who have made significant contributions to their fields.

    Three Breakthrough Prizes in Life Sciences are awarded to: Clifford P. Brangwynne and Anthony A. Hyman for discovering a new mechanism of cellular organization; Demis Hassabis and John Jumper for developing AlphaFold, which accurately predicts the structure of proteins; and to Emmanuel Mignot and Masashi Yanagisawa for discovering the causes of narcolepsy. The Breakthrough Prize in Mathematics goes to Daniel A. Spielman, for multiple discoveries in theoretical computer science and mathematics. The Breakthrough Prize in Fundamental Physics is shared by Charles H. Bennett, Gilles Brassard, David Deutsch and Peter Shor for their foundational work in quantum information.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Voltarde

    These are some heavyweight smart rich people funding this perfectly reasonable set of prizes. But it's hard to start a new prize that gets 1/100th of the publicity of the Nobel. It just is.

    But the scientists appreciate the generous prizes.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  93. Anon[768] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Stogumber


    Technically, if Neanderthals could interbreed and leave their genes with Homo sapiens, that means that the two were no different species, but different races. Different species don’t have common offspring.
     
    Species is more like "naturally interbreeds in the wild".

    Plenty of species can interbreed and produce at least some fertile offspring.


    As far as I know we don't really have any idea how interfertile Neanderthals and Humans were. I'd suggest--not necessarily all that much. Our 'thal DNA is all autosomal isn't it? Nothing shows up in mtDNA nor on the (small) Y-chromosome.

    So, you could have some scenario where a neanderthal caveman captures a human girl. Her male offspring aren't particularly impressive or even necessarily fertile, but her female offspring are good enough. And some of her female 1/2-n-1/2 offspring are captured by humans and their offspring--or at least some of them--are fertile. The battle went on thousands of years so there were probably a good number of these scenarios.

    You can concoct your own scenario but something like that seems to me to be the likely path. General inter-fertility doesn't seem as likely given that our mitochondrial and Y-chromosome DNA seems to be all human.

    Replies: @Anon

    1.) Neandertals were human.

    2.) There was no “battles”.

    3.) Most Neandertals were already partially Sapiens by 200,000 years ago. All Neandertal mtDNA lineages in Europe and Asia are replaced by Sapiens lineages from Africa by 200k years ago, after an earlier “out of Africa” wave that involved a lineage distantly related to ours. A link describing this event is found below.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms16046

    All pre-50k year old Neanderthal remains from southwest Asia, where the interbreeding actually took place, are anatomically intermediate between Sapiens and Neandertals, suggesting additional geneflow that hasn’t been uncovered yet (none of the southwest Asian Neanderthals have yielded a DNA profile due to the shitty weather).
    The intermixing in the Levant and central Asia probably involved super-hybridized Neandertals who are likely to have been genetically compatible with h.s.S.

    4.) Small amounts of Neanderthal ancestry is present on the X chromosome and the variation between ethnicities is extreme. The highest Neanderthal X DNA is found in the Balochi, the lowest is observed in Eskimo (see Table S2 at the bottom of the PDF file: https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdfExtended/S0960-9822(16)30247-0)

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Anon


    2.) There was no “battles”.
     
    Why wouldn't there have been?

    The French and the Germans battled, the Angles and the Celts, etc.
  94. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    No. This is not like breeding dogs (who are all a type of wolf).

    A mule has 63 chromosomes, intermediate between the 64 of the horse and the 62 of the donkey. This is not a stable #. Male mules are totally sterile. Some of the offspring from mating a female mule with a donkey or a horse (in the even the female mule is fertile at all, which it usually isn't) will be 63 chromosome mules, some will have 64 and be horses and others will have 62 and be donkeys. You could repeat this for 100 generations and they would still not breed true.

    Since mules have certain advantages as work animals, if it had been possible to breed a self reproducing line of mules, someone would have done it long ago but it wasn't.

    Replies: @epebble, @HA

    This is similar (but not the same) as Mendel’s experiments. However much he bred them, he never got light, purple-colored flowers on his pea plants. It was always 3 purples to 1 white (plants producing a particular color flowers).

    https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/resources/1999-mendel-s-experiments

  95. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @Hypnotoad666

    The point is that, although lions and tigers can indeed produce offspring, the offspring cannot produce offspring. In other words, "ligers" can't have kids, just as mules can't have kids. Ergo, lions and tigers do not share a common "gene pool". One cannot mate a "she-mule" with a "he-mule" and get a mule; it has to be a horse and an ass ("donkey" for the more delicate of sensibility). I suppose that's the reason that, although we have English words for "stallion", "mare", "jackass", and "jenny ass", we have no words for "she-mule" or "he-mule". Our agriculturalist ancestors were realistic and practical people and did not coin useless words.

    Governor Hochul of New York accused those opposed to her quasi-infanticidal policy of being "Neanderthals", but no one had the wit to accuse her of "racism". Perhaps we can be grateful that they only still exist as ghostly fragments subsumed within our DNA threads rather than as an angry part of the Coalition of the Fringes, complete with a Neanderthal Caucus in the House of Representatives.

    If "Joe Biden" wishes to increase the national debt, perhaps he can set the CIA to work trying to sequence a complete Neanderthal genome. Maybe Mia Farrow will do the honors of being surrogate mother.

    "There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamed of in your philosophies." Is it at least conceivable, oh ye learned Sailer-heads, that his lack of Magick Neanderthal DNA is what's "wrong" with Homo africanus barbarus idioticus?

    It amuses me that Svante Double Umlaut has won the Nobel for Physiology or Medicine, when his work is not really physiology and not really medicine. He has actually won the Prize in Physiology nor Medicine.

    Replies: @epebble

    his work is not really physiology and not really medicine

    It may not be medicine now, but the science will be used in 30 years to do a lot of interesting things. The most prestigious award in Computer Science is named after A.M. Turing, though Turing never touched a transistor, let alone a silicon chip.

  96. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://www.ft.com/content/cc6ac1a7-5c3b-4e81-97c6-7ce586953d8c

    Brazil election goes to second round after Bolsonaro closes gap on Lula

     

    Brazil’s far-right president Jair Bolsonaro will face leftwing former leader Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva in a polarising run-off vote after performing better than expected in elections which underlined the strength of the country’s conservative movement.

    Lula won 48.4 per cent of valid ballots, according to official results, failing to pass the 50 per cent threshold needed for victory in the first round of Sunday’s elections. Bolsonaro secured 43.2 per cent, confounding pollsters who had pegged his support in the high thirties. A second vote will take place on October 30.

     

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @pyrrhus

    Maximum vote fraud for Lula, wonder what Bolsonaro can do about that in the next round…Lula of course wrecked the country the last time around..

  97. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D

    Fun fish fact: The Golden Trout which lives in little isolated Eastern Sierra lakes above 7,000 ft., is actually a subspecies of Rainbow Trout evolved to that environment. I recently learned that these trout got naturally planted in isolated mountain lakes by birds that carry fish eggs in their poop. The "Golden Trout" is definitely worth protecting, but it's confusing because even this subspecies has its own set of subspecies:


    California's official state fish is the California golden trout. California has three distinct subspecies of rainbow trout commonly grouped as golden trout: Kern River rainbow trout, Little Kern golden trout, and California golden trout. https://calfish.ucdavis.edu/species/?uid=117&ds=241
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @Brutusale, @Catdompanj

    My understanding is that the Golden Trout was actually originally native only to Firestone Creek, a tributary of the Kern River. It’s largely a Rainbow that evolved to match the rocks in its native environment. Invariably, if Rainbows are planted alongside Golden Trout, the Goldens will get bred out. It only persista in other locations by virtue of being the only subspecies planted there.

    Perhaps irrelevantly, I was once backpacking around Mineral King and coming downhill alongside a stream on a rainy afternoon. There was a large, pale granite boulder in the stream — and alongside it was a virtually albino trout. It must have been one of the few places where such a specimen stood any chance at all.

  98. @Zero Philosopher
    An interesting side story about the sequencing of the Neanderthal and Denivosian genomes is that they discocred a similar sequence in modern humans defined by a single nucleotide polymorphism rs6873545, located in locus 5 of the GHR(growth hormone receptor) at Chr5:42,631,162. It codes for the deletion of the exon-3 of the receptor, a pair deletion of 2,700 nucleotide bases.

    This deletion appeared around 1.5 million years ago as the ancestors of Neanderthals, Denisovians and anatomically modern Humans left Africa. It seems to be geared towards metabolism, a switch that allows humans, especially males, to survive extreme famine

    How this deletion changes physiology is extremely interesting. The deletion, paradoxically, makes the receptor more sensitive to Human growth hormone. As a result, the liver produces more IGF-1(somatostatin C). This in turns, results in IGF-1 suppressing growth hormone release through feedback inhbition. This imrpoves insulon sensitivity and glucose utilization, since growth hormone is insulinogenic. It also decreases cellular division and activates a process called authophagy, which is a type of house cleaning where cells rid themselves of intracellular junk rather than wasting resources on useless growth(you obviously need growth, especially as a child, but it becomes pathogenic at one point and causes cancer)

    Nir Barzilai, from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, discovered that this ancient deletion is strongly associated with longevity and avoidance of diabetes, especially in males. Only 15% of Caucasians are heterozygote for the deletion, and only 4% of homozygonous. Having one of the 3rd exon deleted increases by 2 X your chances of living to 100, and being homozygonous for it increases your odds of living to 100 by 8 X. I happen to be one of those rare 4% that are homozygonous for it. I tried to copy a still of my DNA sequence deletion, but it didn't go through. I don't know why.

    Here is the one on Denisovians:https://www.researchgate.net/figure/A-GHRd3-in-modern-and-ancient-hominin-genomes-These-browser-snapshots-show-the-genome_fig1_336212467

    Anyweys, these ancient genes that result in superior health are disappearing from the gene pool as they are no longer needed in a World where pizza is easily available and the only exercise the average citizen does is walking to the fridge. Nietzsche used to say:

    "What doesn't kill me makes me stronger."

    Well, it is the weaknesas that is killing us. Individuals with mutations loads that would result in certain death as little as 100 yeara ago are coming through due to vaccines, I.C.Us and medication for chronic diseases like statins for arteriosclerosis and beta blockers for high blood pressure. But these crutches are taking away the *real* solution to these problems, which are genes for superior metabolims, as well as for superior will-power that makes one not eat 12,000 calorties a day unnecessarily.

    Replies: @Muggles, @acementhead, @Marquis, @kpkinsunnyphiladelohia

    Basically you’ve laid out the scientific explanation—on a genetic level—for the meme of “bad times make strong men, strong men make good times, good times make….etc…”

  99. @Jack D
    @Meretricious

    Trump is the gift that keeps giving. This whole hysteria was prompted by Trump Derangement Syndrome and the Leftist controlled art world used his election as a pretext to purge its ranks of (white) liberals in favor of extreme (black) leftists. I (almost) feel sorry for the liberals like Spector but they should never have let dangerous foul mouthed black radicals like Chaédria LaBouvier anywhere near their collections. It's like inviting a wolf to your little Upper West Side dog park to play with the shih tzus and then you are supposed to be surprised when the wolf tears little Fluffy's head off.

    Replies: @Meretricious, @Art Deco

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/the-white-house-wanted-a-van-gogh-the-guggenheim-offered-a-used-solid-gold-toilet/2018/01/25/38d574fc-0154-11e8-bb03-722769454f82_story.html

    This was one of Nancy Spector’s past maneuvers.

    Again, behind all of these imbroglios is a board failing in its fiduciary duty.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Read the Atlantic piece, which mentions this. So Leftists were eternally grateful to Spector for sticking it to Trump like this, right? Nah, they shivved the old white Jewish bitch at the first opportunity so that a young sista could get her cushy job. Spector was fired for no actual offense but now she is in her early '60s and has no chance of ever getting a job in her field again. You almost feel sorry for her. Almost.

  100. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/the-white-house-wanted-a-van-gogh-the-guggenheim-offered-a-used-solid-gold-toilet/2018/01/25/38d574fc-0154-11e8-bb03-722769454f82_story.html


    This was one of Nancy Spector's past maneuvers.


    Again, behind all of these imbroglios is a board failing in its fiduciary duty.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Read the Atlantic piece, which mentions this. So Leftists were eternally grateful to Spector for sticking it to Trump like this, right? Nah, they shivved the old white Jewish bitch at the first opportunity so that a young sista could get her cushy job. Spector was fired for no actual offense but now she is in her early ’60s and has no chance of ever getting a job in her field again. You almost feel sorry for her. Almost.

  101. Anon[265] • Disclaimer says:

    “How to Pronounce Dr. Svante Pääbo”

    PAY-boh, or so it says, but I think that’s wrong, in Swedish. Maybe like “Ikea” or “Moskeline” he allows different pronunciations by country to conform to the local language’s phonology, mapping Swedish sounds to English sounds and not expecting people to do a Ted Koppel and try to match native accents.

    A Swedish pronunciation tutorial website says:

    Umlaut A in Swedish: “You can think of this letter as the English ‘ai’ in ‘pair’, or ‘hair’. The only thing to remember is that the mouth is actually quite wide, a bit more of a smile than when saying ‘pair’.”

    https://swedishmadeeasy.com/swedish-vowels-a-a-o.html

    This Swedish guy’s vowel pronunciation tutorial (Swedish has nine vowels, with up to four pronunciations each) makes it sound more … nuanced … and complicated:

    I’m hearing the long versions of umlaut A as a as in “hat,” not as in “hate,” so the laureate’s name would be PAE-boh, where AE is a as in hat.

    This Swedish guy with excellent British English lapsed back into a Swedish accent at 1:30 introducing Paabo in a way that sounds closer to the PAY-boh pronunciation of the first video.

    On the whole I’d stick with PAY-boh

  102. @Jack D
    @John Henry


    Except for the part about the current awarding of the Nobel, this seems like old news.
     
    Awarding of a Nobel is news in itself. By their nature, Nobel Prizes acknowledge old and widely accepted to be important research. They are often awarded decades after the work in question.


    Pääbo himself is proof of the importance of DNA. He is the 8th parent-child Nobelist:

    Arthur Kornberg (awarded the 1959 Medicine Prize)
    Roger D. Kornberg (awarded the 2006 Chemistry Prize).

    Marie Skłodowska (Chemistry 1911, Physics 1903) and Pierre Curie (Physics 1903)
    Irène Joliot-Curie (Chemistry 1935)

    William Bragg (Physics 1915)
    Lawrence Bragg (Physics 1915)

    Niels Bohr (Physics 1922)
    Aage N. Bohr (Physics 1975)

    Hans von Euler-Chelpin (Chemistry 1929)
    Ulf von Euler (Medicine 1970)

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Brás Cubas, @John Henry, @PiltdownMan, @PiltdownMan

    Manne Siegbahn won the Nobel Prize in physics in 1924 for his work on X-ray spectroscopy.

    His son, Kai Siegbahn, was awarded the physics prize in 1981, for his work on X-ray photoelectron spectroscopy.

  103. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    In the modern context, species gets overused for political purposes. If a dam will cause a certain "species" of minnow to become endangered you can stop the building of the dam. Never mind that this "species" of minnow is pretty much the same as the "species" of minnow found in the next stream over except for some slight difference in coloration or whatever.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Ian Smith, @Reg Cæsar

    Hey hey hey, there’ll be none of that hippie dippie “there’s only one species…the minnow species” cuckoldry around here!

  104. Anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Respected NYU chemistry professor had a bunch of students who failed his class. But when he flunked them, they got him fired.

    “Students were misreading exam questions at an astonishing rate,” Jones wrote in a grievance to the university, protesting his termination. Grades fell even as he reduced the difficulty of his exams. The problem was exacerbated by the pandemic, he said. “In the last two years, they fell off a cliff,” he wrote. “We now see single digit scores and even zeros.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/03/us/nyu-organic-chemistry-petition.html

  105. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:

    Isn’t the Nobel committee opening up a lot of issues that Swedes generally want to obfuscate?

    — Genetic mathematical clustering algorithms are a real thing uncovering real ancestral race information. This is the underlying assumption of 23 & Me, but after Nicholas Wade’s book a couple of academics published a whole book, blurbed by Jonathan Marks, trying to claim that clustering was bullshit pseudoscience:

    — Indigenous populations may not be First Nations at all, but rather colonizers and environmental plunderers, conquering dumber predecessors, and they in turn were conquered by smarter interlopers, bringing karma to its full circle.

  106. @Ganderson
    @Graham

    I’d assume since he grew up and lives in Sweden his name would be pronounced in the Swedish fashion, unless he works for svenska NPR!

    No one here in North America pronounces my surname “ahndairshon”, not even on public radio, but everyone I know in Sweden says it that way.

    Not so much with vowels, but one of the things that gives Swedish its sing-songy lilt is that double consonants (now that I think of it, except for the double s in Swedish patronymics) , are both pronounced.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    Re: He lives in Sweden

    He’s been associated with the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary
    Anthropology in Leipzig since 1997. Hence apparently he and his American
    wife live in Germany. He is also a professor in Japan, so like most
    top level researchers he travels a lot.

  107. @Peter Frost
    @epebble

    Mules occasionally have offspring.


    A few mare mules have produced offspring when mated with a horse or donkey stallion. Herodotus gives an account of such an event as an ill omen of Xerxes' invasion of Greece in 480 BC: "There happened also a portent of another kind while he was still at Sardis—a mule brought forth young and gave birth to a mule" (Herodotus The Histories 7:57), and a mule's giving birth was a frequently recorded portent in antiquity, although scientific writers also doubted whether it was really possible (see e.g. Aristotle, Historia animalium, 6.24; Varro, De re rustica, 2.1.28). Between 1527 and 2002 approximately sixty such births were reported. In Morocco in early 2002 and Colorado in 2007, mare mules produced colts. Blood and hair samples from the Colorado birth verified that the mother was indeed a mule and the foal was indeed her offspring.

    A 1939 article in the Journal of Heredity describes two offspring of a fertile mare mule named "Old Bec", which was owned at the time by Texas A&M University in the late 1920s. One of the foals was a female, sired by a jack. Unlike her mother, she was sterile. The other, sired by a five-gaited Saddlebred stallion, exhibited no characteristics of any donkey. That horse, a stallion, was bred to several mares, which gave birth to live foals that showed no characteristics of the donkey. In a more recent instance, a group from the Federal University of Minas Gerais in 1995 described a female mule that was pregnant for a seventh time, having previously produced two donkey sires, two foals with the typical 63 chromosomes of mules, and several horse stallions that had produced four foals. The three of the latter available for testing each bore 64 horse-like chromosomes. These foals phenotypically resembled horses, though they bore markings absent from the sire’s known lineages, and one had ears noticeably longer than those typical of her sire's breed. The elder two horse-like foals had proved fertile at the time of publication, with their progeny being typical of horses.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule

    There is no fine line between fertile and infertile interbreeding. There is only a continuum of decreasing fertility. In humans, fertility is optimal when you marry your third or fourth cousin. The farther out you marry, the lower will be your chances of having children.

    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-costs-of-outbreeding-few-more-points.html

    Replies: @epebble, @Hypnotoad666, @Jack D

    This is not like humans marrying their cousins. Because horses and donkeys have different #’s of chromosomes, mules are almost always infertile.

    Hybrids are often infertile – the bananas that we eat are an infertile (therefore seedless) cross of two wild banana species. Their wild banana parents have hard seeds mixed with the soft banana flesh.

    This makes them useful for doing what fruits are supposed to do, which is to produce banana trees (often the strategy is to get some creature to eat the fruit and spread the seeds in their poop) but not very good eating. We enjoy eating seedless infertile hybrid bananas because we can eat the whole fruit and don’t have to pick out the crunchy seeds out of the flesh. (The bananas that we eat propagate from root cuttings but since this is an asexual form of reproduction, there is no genetic diversity in bananas – they are all clones of each other. If one banana tree in a plantation gets a disease they all get it. Potatoes propagate in a similar way which led to the potato famine in Ireland)

    Male mules are 100% infertile AFAIK. There are a handful of known cases of female mules being fertile as you mention above, out of the millions of mules that have existed. And when they produce offspring the offspring is unstable – some revert back to being either horses or donkeys. So it’s not a continuum at all.

  108. @AnotherDad
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Absurd: In Pääbo’s 2014 book Neanderthal Man: In Search of Lost Genomes, he stated that he is openly bisexual – he assumed he was gay until he met Linda Vigilant, an American primatologist and geneticist whose “boyish charms” attracted him.
     
    Don't know about her "boyish charms". Pulled up a pic and she looks like a decidedly normal woman. (At least the ones where she has normal gal hair.)

    Pääbo on the other hand is a decidedly weird looking bird who definitely doesn't radiate "manly".

    Replies: @Jack D

    Look, I could see that if dudes were your thing and for some reason there were no dudes around, if you turned the lights down low and squinted a bit, you could pretend that Linda was a dude.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.0b06b641774025ed5af3f3c518a7804c?rik=77QBsn2%2ff1Jueg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.thecord.ca%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2013%2f01%2fQuirke.jpg&ehk=4iyubl8%2bo%2fLzKp1mLmrv6PV%2b9p02%2f1ipsigTs%2bgKONs%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

    That's the best one I saw doing a quick bing. Most she looks very normal average. (Excepting not having packed on zillions of pounds.)

    But yeah, her face is long enough and her chin pointy enough, she should really stay away from short hair. Truth is most women should. Gals have to be quite attractive for the counterpoint to actually work. And still those girls look even more feminine and cuter with long hair.

    But in her case--at least as far as her hubby is concerned ... looks like a boy is fine.

    , @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    Look, I could see that if dudes were your thing and for some reason there were no dudes around, if you turned the lights down low and squinted a bit, you could pretend that Linda was a dude.

    It really doesn't work that way for actual gays. Gay men are terrified of vaginas and they really don't like women even if they look like men.

    I knew a closet case for a bit and he couldn't fake even joking about them.

    It is actually a tell-tale sign of a closet case. You make some offhand remark about sex or vaginas and they sit and pause to think about the reaction they should make. It could be totally absurd like "I'm gonna bang some black sliz in the applebee's parking lot later" and they will pause and think about what to say. Straight guys will laugh or say shut up / whatever / etc. Gay guys will respond like women in that they are shocked that you brought doing stuff with vaginas into the conversation. It doesn't matter if it is true or not.

    Paabo was probably just confused from facing constant rejection. But even constant rejection can't make you gay. In fact I remember a bio about a guy who actually tried to go gay because he hated women. He went as far as having sex with men but still couldn't switch over.

    Replies: @Truth, @YetAnotherAnon, @BosTex

  109. Pääbo’s the guy responsible for every reasonably well informed person on earth today understanding that they’re a little (quite a) bit Neanderthal.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Trëlanë

    That's definitely a Nobel-level discovery. Then he did it again with the Denisovans.

  110. A few examples of animals that are considered separate species but which can interbreed and produce fertile offspring:

    Dogs, wolves, coyotes, jackals
    Domestic cattle & bison (many people raise beefalo for their meat)
    Polar & brown (grizzly) bears
    Domestic cattle & yaks (apparently the female offspring are fertile, the males are not)
    Dromedary and Bactrian camels
    Multiple cat species (the Bengal cat breed, for example, is a cross between domestic cats and Asian Leopard cats)

    • Replies: @Indiana Jack
    @Indiana Jack

    As Peter Frost noted above, there is a continuum of decreasing fertility. Breeders sought for two centuries to produce a viable cross between cattle and North American Bison before the beefalo was developed in the early 1970's. Apparently crossing bison bulls with domestic cows rarely produce offspring. Domestic bulls can be crossed with bison cows but while the female offspring are fertile, the males generally are not. It was not until the 1970's that the beefalo was developed (5/8 domestic cattle, 3/8 bison) with the ability to reproduce without difficulty.

  111. @Indiana Jack
    A few examples of animals that are considered separate species but which can interbreed and produce fertile offspring:

    Dogs, wolves, coyotes, jackals
    Domestic cattle & bison (many people raise beefalo for their meat)
    Polar & brown (grizzly) bears
    Domestic cattle & yaks (apparently the female offspring are fertile, the males are not)
    Dromedary and Bactrian camels
    Multiple cat species (the Bengal cat breed, for example, is a cross between domestic cats and Asian Leopard cats)

    Replies: @Indiana Jack

    As Peter Frost noted above, there is a continuum of decreasing fertility. Breeders sought for two centuries to produce a viable cross between cattle and North American Bison before the beefalo was developed in the early 1970’s. Apparently crossing bison bulls with domestic cows rarely produce offspring. Domestic bulls can be crossed with bison cows but while the female offspring are fertile, the males generally are not. It was not until the 1970’s that the beefalo was developed (5/8 domestic cattle, 3/8 bison) with the ability to reproduce without difficulty.

  112. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Look, I could see that if dudes were your thing and for some reason there were no dudes around, if you turned the lights down low and squinted a bit, you could pretend that Linda was a dude.

    https://www.pri.kyoto-u.ac.jp/research/meetings/2002/saga5/abstract/oral/kinda.24.jpg

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @John Johnson

    https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.0b06b641774025ed5af3f3c518a7804c?rik=77QBsn2%2ff1Jueg&riu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.thecord.ca%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2013%2f01%2fQuirke.jpg&ehk=4iyubl8%2bo%2fLzKp1mLmrv6PV%2b9p02%2f1ipsigTs%2bgKONs%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

    That’s the best one I saw doing a quick bing. Most she looks very normal average. (Excepting not having packed on zillions of pounds.)

    But yeah, her face is long enough and her chin pointy enough, she should really stay away from short hair. Truth is most women should. Gals have to be quite attractive for the counterpoint to actually work. And still those girls look even more feminine and cuter with long hair.

    But in her case–at least as far as her hubby is concerned … looks like a boy is fine.

  113. @Trëlanë
    Pääbo's the guy responsible for every reasonably well informed person on earth today understanding that they're a little (quite a) bit Neanderthal.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    That’s definitely a Nobel-level discovery. Then he did it again with the Denisovans.

    • Thanks: James Speaks
    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  114. @Jack D
    @John Henry


    Except for the part about the current awarding of the Nobel, this seems like old news.
     
    Awarding of a Nobel is news in itself. By their nature, Nobel Prizes acknowledge old and widely accepted to be important research. They are often awarded decades after the work in question.


    Pääbo himself is proof of the importance of DNA. He is the 8th parent-child Nobelist:

    Arthur Kornberg (awarded the 1959 Medicine Prize)
    Roger D. Kornberg (awarded the 2006 Chemistry Prize).

    Marie Skłodowska (Chemistry 1911, Physics 1903) and Pierre Curie (Physics 1903)
    Irène Joliot-Curie (Chemistry 1935)

    William Bragg (Physics 1915)
    Lawrence Bragg (Physics 1915)

    Niels Bohr (Physics 1922)
    Aage N. Bohr (Physics 1975)

    Hans von Euler-Chelpin (Chemistry 1929)
    Ulf von Euler (Medicine 1970)

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Brás Cubas, @John Henry, @PiltdownMan, @PiltdownMan

    Hans von Euler-Chelpin (Chemistry 1929)
    Ulf von Euler (Medicine 1970)

    Both of them were related by descent to the 18th century Swiss mathematician Leonhard Euler, one of the four or five greatest mathematicians who ever lived.

  115. “Double Umlauts”

    I made the mistake of using the term umlaut in a conversation with an old Swede. He quickly corrected me that Swedish does not employ umlauts at all; the vowels with dots are letters distinct from those without.

    Due to German and Swedish influence, the Estonian alphabet (Estonian: eesti tähestik) has the letters Ä, Ö, and Ü (A, O, and U with diaeresis), which represent the vowel sounds [æ], [ø] and [y], respectively. Unlike German umlauts, they are considered, and alphabetised as, separate letters.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_orthography#Alphabet

    Anyone who’s studied Spanish knows that in that language, digraphs are considered single, and distinct, letters, e.g., CH, LL. The same is true of Welsh. Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch has 58 letters in English, but only 54 in Welsh. Yet it looks exactly the same.

    However, the Swede was only half-right– Swedish does indeed have umlauts, as does English. Not in the sense of diacritics above standard letters, but in the other sense, of audible vowel changes with changes in meaning. Many English plurals and verbs employ this kind of umlaut– men, mice, geese, feet…

  116. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    In the modern context, species gets overused for political purposes. If a dam will cause a certain "species" of minnow to become endangered you can stop the building of the dam. Never mind that this "species" of minnow is pretty much the same as the "species" of minnow found in the next stream over except for some slight difference in coloration or whatever.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Ian Smith, @Reg Cæsar

    Never mind that this “species” of minnow is pretty much the same as the “species” of minnow found in the next stream over except for some slight difference in coloration or whatever.

    If these are what is termed a “landrace”, then, by distinguishing them, aren’t we guilty of landracism?

  117. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Look, I could see that if dudes were your thing and for some reason there were no dudes around, if you turned the lights down low and squinted a bit, you could pretend that Linda was a dude.

    https://www.pri.kyoto-u.ac.jp/research/meetings/2002/saga5/abstract/oral/kinda.24.jpg

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @John Johnson

    Look, I could see that if dudes were your thing and for some reason there were no dudes around, if you turned the lights down low and squinted a bit, you could pretend that Linda was a dude.

    It really doesn’t work that way for actual gays. Gay men are terrified of vaginas and they really don’t like women even if they look like men.

    I knew a closet case for a bit and he couldn’t fake even joking about them.

    It is actually a tell-tale sign of a closet case. You make some offhand remark about sex or vaginas and they sit and pause to think about the reaction they should make. It could be totally absurd like “I’m gonna bang some black sliz in the applebee’s parking lot later” and they will pause and think about what to say. Straight guys will laugh or say shut up / whatever / etc. Gay guys will respond like women in that they are shocked that you brought doing stuff with vaginas into the conversation. It doesn’t matter if it is true or not.

    Paabo was probably just confused from facing constant rejection. But even constant rejection can’t make you gay. In fact I remember a bio about a guy who actually tried to go gay because he hated women. He went as far as having sex with men but still couldn’t switch over.

    • LOL: BosTex
    • Replies: @Truth
    @John Johnson

    I would seriously doubt that a nerdy nobel-prize winning scientist faced "constant rejection from women, because I would doubt that he made any effort with more than a handful of them. First of all, he was... kinda busy, getting PhDs and all.

    Secondly there aren't a lot of women in his inner circle,

    And thirdly, he is probably ridiculously introverted, as are most people who stare into microscopes 11 hours a day.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @John Johnson

    "Gay men are terrified of vaginas and they really don’t like women even if they look like men."

    And yet in the past, a lot of "gay men" seem to have stepped up to the marital plate and produced at least "an heir and a spare".

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @BosTex
    @John Johnson

    Thanks for posting this.

    Vaginaphobia sounds like a really terrible condition.

  118. @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    Look, I could see that if dudes were your thing and for some reason there were no dudes around, if you turned the lights down low and squinted a bit, you could pretend that Linda was a dude.

    It really doesn't work that way for actual gays. Gay men are terrified of vaginas and they really don't like women even if they look like men.

    I knew a closet case for a bit and he couldn't fake even joking about them.

    It is actually a tell-tale sign of a closet case. You make some offhand remark about sex or vaginas and they sit and pause to think about the reaction they should make. It could be totally absurd like "I'm gonna bang some black sliz in the applebee's parking lot later" and they will pause and think about what to say. Straight guys will laugh or say shut up / whatever / etc. Gay guys will respond like women in that they are shocked that you brought doing stuff with vaginas into the conversation. It doesn't matter if it is true or not.

    Paabo was probably just confused from facing constant rejection. But even constant rejection can't make you gay. In fact I remember a bio about a guy who actually tried to go gay because he hated women. He went as far as having sex with men but still couldn't switch over.

    Replies: @Truth, @YetAnotherAnon, @BosTex

    I would seriously doubt that a nerdy nobel-prize winning scientist faced “constant rejection from women, because I would doubt that he made any effort with more than a handful of them. First of all, he was… kinda busy, getting PhDs and all.

    Secondly there aren’t a lot of women in his inner circle,

    And thirdly, he is probably ridiculously introverted, as are most people who stare into microscopes 11 hours a day.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon, Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Truth

    I would seriously doubt that a nerdy nobel-prize winning scientist faced “constant rejection from women, because I would doubt that he made any effort with more than a handful of them.

    Yes but he was a high school student and undergrad before then.

    Those years can really affect a person unfortunately.

  119. Pääbo’s mother is Estonian, and yet she lives in Sweden. Estonia
    wants to be regarded as a Nordic country (actually more a city-state
    than a country), along with Sweden and Finland. Russians are seen as
    so incompetent and corrupt that nobody wants to be associated with
    them, certainly not Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania.

    Ukrainians are fighting so fiercely because they also don’t want to be
    associated with Russia. They want Ukraine to be like Poland, not
    like Russia. Western Ukraine was for centuries part of the Polish
    civilization – hence Ukrainian is in many ways a heavily polonized
    Russian. Several million Ukrainians live in Poland and several
    million in Russia. Ukrainians know both countries well, and they
    strongly prefer Poland.

  120. @Meretricious
    @Redneck farmer

    There's a new white exec editor, so there's that. To be fair, sub-Saharans are indeed human BUT they are inferior humans, on average, compared with Europeans and Asians.

    Here's Lawrence Auster on issue:

    Why do I focus so relentlessly on these endlessly repeated stories of the massive cover-up, followed by the massive exposure, of black criminality and black failure—which is, we should point out, failure by white standards? Beyond its immediate interest and obvious importance, the truthful communication about black dysfunction and violence also serves the larger purpose of this website, which is nothing less than to save the American nation.

    In my view, the greatest single factor driving whites to national suicide is their false guilt over black inferiority. Because whites believe—as modern liberalism has taught them to believe—that all groups have equal inherent abilities, they also believe that the actual inferiority of blacks in almost every area of accomplishment and behavior must be caused by something bad that the whites are invidiously doing to blacks, or by something good that whites are selfishly refusing to do for blacks. However expressed, it all comes down to the idea that black failure is caused by white racism—the transcendent sin of the modern world. And because black inferiority continues, and is even getting worse, the conclusion is that white racism is continuing, and is even getting worse.

    The final result of this woefully mistaken thought process is the paralyzing racial guilt which makes whites feel that they have no right to defend and preserve their civilization, no right to defend and preserve themselves, but that they must instead self-sacrificially open themselves to and empower, not only blacks, but all nonwhites. This self-sacrifice takes numerous forms, including denial of the truth of black anti-white violence, denial of the tyrannical and murderous reality of Islam, and unquestioning acceptance of the mass Third-World immigration that is steadily turning America into a non-European country in which whites and their civilization will be steadily weakened, dispossessed, and destroyed. Therefore, as I began saying in the mid 1990s, if whites could see the truth that blacks’ lesser intelligence and other lesser civilizational abilities are not whites’ fault but are inherent in blacks themselves, it could literally save the country, by freeing whites from their suicidal guilt.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @BosTex, @Erik Sieven

    Man, I really miss Lawrence Auster. What a powerful and thoughtful brain.

    Thanks for sharing.

  121. 23 and me gives you your “Neanderthal score” and I scored really high compared to my “relatives” (I have 1564 people related to me, but only know a few of the matches.)

    My only “cousin” (I put cousin in quotes because he’s a fourth cousin twice removed—-in other words.
    a total stranger) that scored higher did actually look like a Neanderthal.

    That’s pretty funny :-).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @BosTex

    Biologist William D. Hamilton's rugby teammates referred to him as Apeman and Caveman due to his rugged browridge. Darwin looked like a bruiser too in his younger days.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Truth

  122. “Pääbo was his Nobel Laureate’s father’s secret son. He had a legitimate half-brother born the same year as him to his father’s wife. The two half-brothers didn’t meet until this century.”

    On the one hand, this is grossly immoral. On the other hand, it’s a eugenicist’s wet dream, the type of thing William Shockley would approve of, what with his donations to the sperm bank.

    Because it’s not like transgenderism is the only type of perversion there is. We could have elite colleges take nude photos of incoming freshmen to see how body type corresponds to something something . . . oh wait, we already did that.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @For what it's worth

    Gayface can be detected by machines. My natural detector would indicate that Svante is one. Half right, I suppose?

    He is unusual in swinging (back?) to heterosexuality. Most stories one encounters are that bisexual is just a rest stop, if you will, on the path to full gay.

    Replies: @BosTex

  123. Steve, you must be close to 85 by now, judging by your Crimean war positions on everything, from the Ukraine through to the King George’s hold over the Commonwealth. We pretty much expect you to break out in Lord Tennyson’s The Charge of the Light Brigade at any second, such is the fever for King and England you bring to every post. (The wonder is which side you would have fought in the Revolutionary War)

    As you slide into decrepitude, and I’m wary of treading softly here, on account I’m speaking to a brain addled sufferer of much bombardment of drugs, pre-marital sex, gay orgies, blokes pairing off at sorority house parties, declarations of oaths in pre-school general all round love of Israel declaring your allegiance to their flag.

    Look, we understand where you’re coming from, here in the Commonwealth. We understand that you’ve grown fat and bloated in front of you free-to-air TV and expect that whatever president it’s all the same face, like that face morphing technology in the Godley & Creme Cry video.

    You assume that what’s right is covered in the stars and bars and damn the rest!

    Ok, sure old timer. Hang in there cowboy.

    But the thing is, see, we don’t want to die.

    We don’t want to be the proxy to your John Wayne Hollywood dreams.

    We aren’t aspiring to world hegemony to see our flag atop some gay mountain full of aids, druga addiction, suicide, mass unemployment and homlesessness and all that is rotten about your empire.

    We simply care about our people knowing that your flag brought our destitution.

    We won’t be fighting for your old time movie channel and we won’t be fulfilling your dreams.

    We’ll still probably have to change your pants as you get older and hopefully, if you’re lucky, those who change your pants won’t be non-White. Otherwise you’ll be the star of a “dementia patients fight!” Tik Tok video.

    Choose wisely.

    Ukraine…or old school USA.

    The choice is yours.

    • LOL: BB753, acementhead
    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @Pat Hannagan

    Congratulations!

    I hereby award you the 2022 Ig-Noble Prize for Literature. The Citation from the Academy reads: "To Pat Hannagan, for pioneering the post-Dadaist post-post-Modernist post-Expressionist new writing form of Unintentional Utter Nonsense. Sillier than Silly Putty, madder than the Mad Hatter, it almost seems to start to make sense until one realizes it doesn't."

    The Award comes with a one-pint can of Foster's Lager to replace the one you drank just before writing your comment.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Pat Hannagan


    Choose wisely.

    Ukraine…or old school USA.

    The choice is yours.
     
    I was hoping after all that it would be a youtube of "The Charge of the Light Brigade." But no, more 70's crap .
  124. @Meretricious
    Steve, like to see you post on this--might be good for Taki's.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/11/guggenheim-racism-controversy-curator-nancy-spector/671529/

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @MEH 0910

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/11/guggenheim-racism-controversy-curator-nancy-spector/671529/
    https://archive.ph/qGzPH

    Previously:
    https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/09/12/auto-draft-61-n496046


    H/T: Meretricious

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Anon
    @MEH 0910

    Since it involves the usual super-promoted not-so-competent paranoid black* chimping out in a cultural institution, it's not a new scenario but still a bit funny. The stupid details of the eeking and ooking are also of some interest to the connoisseur. Bonus: the chimping is against the Atlantic and Guggenheim.

    * Inevitable consequence of the coddled journey into, through, and out of the university system, btw. Why erryone be crizisin me in ways I don quite unnerstan? They be white supreamacizin me! Gimme dat corna office!

  125. Anon[355] • Disclaimer says:

    There is an interbreeding human subspecies currently, psychopaths, imo. The evolutionary ‘hook’ that enables their success is the green beard trait, they favor fellow Ps over their own non-P relatives (this is why the FBI couldn’t prosecute Abagnale and had to protect Hunter B. They had to obey the P prime directive.).

    Actually I’m posting here looking for advice. Anyone know, or have knowledge based guesses, of which genes are sine qua non for psychopathy? Candidate genes: DRD2 A1, DRD4 7-repeat, 5HTTLPR/rs25531, COMPT (or COMT), Met108/158, MAOA-L, short AR, AVPR1a, etc. (corrections welcomed). https://pathwhisperer.info/2018/04/06/2-more-for-the-mix-the-ruthlessness-gene-and-the-wanderer-gene-that-genetic-psychopathy-cocktail/

    I’m not suggesting asking Paaaabo, the odds are higher than normal that he could be a P himself. One, his being the result of a transient pairing (presumably). Two, his being bisexual. Does he mean pansexual? All psychopaths lack gender identity (https://pathwhisperer.info/2022/06/24/nutters-in-charge-post-redux-a-hidden-fact-of-psychopaths-they-have-no-gender/).

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anon


    There is an interbreeding human subspecies currently, psychopaths, imo.
     
    There is a theory that most of humanity's woes are caused by that fraction of the human population (perhaps only 1%) who are psychopaths. The more I learn about human society, the more I am persuaded that this theory is true.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPf5i84BqcA
  126. @BosTex
    23 and me gives you your “Neanderthal score” and I scored really high compared to my “relatives” (I have 1564 people related to me, but only know a few of the matches.)

    My only “cousin” (I put cousin in quotes because he’s a fourth cousin twice removed—-in other words.
    a total stranger) that scored higher did actually look like a Neanderthal.

    That’s pretty funny :-).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Biologist William D. Hamilton’s rugby teammates referred to him as Apeman and Caveman due to his rugged browridge. Darwin looked like a bruiser too in his younger days.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    Biologist William D. Hamilton’s rugby teammates referred to him as Apeman and Caveman due to his rugged browridge. Darwin looked like a bruiser too in his younger days.
     
    Reportedly, Darwin was an avid small-game hunter in his youth, slaughtering anything that moved, much to the disapproval of his father.
    , @Truth
    @Steve Sailer

    Really like an Albino Simian.

    https://alchetron.com/cdn/w-d-hamilton-a44e8f61-ab0e-407f-b162-19775eb0a4f-resize-750.jpeg

  127. @Steve Sailer
    @BosTex

    Biologist William D. Hamilton's rugby teammates referred to him as Apeman and Caveman due to his rugged browridge. Darwin looked like a bruiser too in his younger days.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Truth

    Biologist William D. Hamilton’s rugby teammates referred to him as Apeman and Caveman due to his rugged browridge. Darwin looked like a bruiser too in his younger days.

    Reportedly, Darwin was an avid small-game hunter in his youth, slaughtering anything that moved, much to the disapproval of his father.

  128. @Anon
    There is an interbreeding human subspecies currently, psychopaths, imo. The evolutionary 'hook' that enables their success is the green beard trait, they favor fellow Ps over their own non-P relatives (this is why the FBI couldn't prosecute Abagnale and had to protect Hunter B. They had to obey the P prime directive.).

    Actually I'm posting here looking for advice. Anyone know, or have knowledge based guesses, of which genes are sine qua non for psychopathy? Candidate genes: DRD2 A1, DRD4 7-repeat, 5HTTLPR/rs25531, COMPT (or COMT), Met108/158, MAOA-L, short AR, AVPR1a, etc. (corrections welcomed). https://pathwhisperer.info/2018/04/06/2-more-for-the-mix-the-ruthlessness-gene-and-the-wanderer-gene-that-genetic-psychopathy-cocktail/

    I'm not suggesting asking Paaaabo, the odds are higher than normal that he could be a P himself. One, his being the result of a transient pairing (presumably). Two, his being bisexual. Does he mean pansexual? All psychopaths lack gender identity (https://pathwhisperer.info/2022/06/24/nutters-in-charge-post-redux-a-hidden-fact-of-psychopaths-they-have-no-gender/).

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    There is an interbreeding human subspecies currently, psychopaths, imo.

    There is a theory that most of humanity’s woes are caused by that fraction of the human population (perhaps only 1%) who are psychopaths. The more I learn about human society, the more I am persuaded that this theory is true.

  129. Anon[313] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910
    @Meretricious

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/11/guggenheim-racism-controversy-curator-nancy-spector/671529/
    https://archive.ph/qGzPH
    https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1577090220528476161

    Previously:
    https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/09/12/auto-draft-61-n496046
    https://twitter.com/hotairblog/status/1569507946450534400
    H/T: Meretricious

    https://twitter.com/helenlewis/status/1576896418840969216
    https://twitter.com/helenlewis/status/1576897371811721216

    Replies: @Anon

    Since it involves the usual super-promoted not-so-competent paranoid black* chimping out in a cultural institution, it’s not a new scenario but still a bit funny. The stupid details of the eeking and ooking are also of some interest to the connoisseur. Bonus: the chimping is against the Atlantic and Guggenheim.

    * Inevitable consequence of the coddled journey into, through, and out of the university system, btw. Why erryone be crizisin me in ways I don quite unnerstan? They be white supreamacizin me! Gimme dat corna office!

  130. @For what it's worth
    "Pääbo was his Nobel Laureate’s father’s secret son. He had a legitimate half-brother born the same year as him to his father’s wife. The two half-brothers didn’t meet until this century."

    On the one hand, this is grossly immoral. On the other hand, it's a eugenicist's wet dream, the type of thing William Shockley would approve of, what with his donations to the sperm bank.

    Because it's not like transgenderism is the only type of perversion there is. We could have elite colleges take nude photos of incoming freshmen to see how body type corresponds to something something . . . oh wait, we already did that.

    Replies: @Anon

    Gayface can be detected by machines. My natural detector would indicate that Svante is one. Half right, I suppose?

    He is unusual in swinging (back?) to heterosexuality. Most stories one encounters are that bisexual is just a rest stop, if you will, on the path to full gay.

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @Anon

    Thanks.

    I think Ken Burns has a serious case of gay pedo face.

    As does Tom Hanks (I know, everyone likes the guy…)

    Steven Spielberg as well.

  131. OT: at least someone famous is standing up for Jesus and white people.

    Kanye’s back on the menu, kids!

    https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/3672606-ye-candace-owens-wear-white-lives-matter-shirts-at-paris-fashion-week/

    • Replies: @Whereismyhandle
    @Whereismyhandle

    https://i.redd.it/fnfejsurjrr91.png

    thanks, bro.

    Replies: @Prester John

  132. @Voltarde
    Winners Of The 2023 Breakthrough Prizes In Life Sciences, Mathematics And Fundamental Physics Announced
    https://breakthroughprize.org/News/73

    September 22, 2022 – San Francisco – The Breakthrough Prize Foundation and its founding sponsors – Sergey Brin, Priscilla Chan and Mark Zuckerberg, Julia and Yuri Milner, and Anne Wojcicki – today announced the 2023 Breakthrough Prize laureates, recognized for their game-changing discoveries in Fundamental Physics, Life Sciences and Mathematics, along with early-career scientists who have made significant contributions to their fields.

    Three Breakthrough Prizes in Life Sciences are awarded to: Clifford P. Brangwynne and Anthony A. Hyman for discovering a new mechanism of cellular organization; Demis Hassabis and John Jumper for developing AlphaFold, which accurately predicts the structure of proteins; and to Emmanuel Mignot and Masashi Yanagisawa for discovering the causes of narcolepsy. The Breakthrough Prize in Mathematics goes to Daniel A. Spielman, for multiple discoveries in theoretical computer science and mathematics. The Breakthrough Prize in Fundamental Physics is shared by Charles H. Bennett, Gilles Brassard, David Deutsch and Peter Shor for their foundational work in quantum information.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    These are some heavyweight smart rich people funding this perfectly reasonable set of prizes. But it’s hard to start a new prize that gets 1/100th of the publicity of the Nobel. It just is.

    But the scientists appreciate the generous prizes.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    I’ve been told by a number of the Unz commentariat that we can’t trust the New York Times at all for anything since it lies, especially about science. Yet here you are linking to this publication. How do you respond to those who insist it is just fake news?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Mr. Anon

  133. Steve, you know alot about dna and ancient deviations but you’re clearly not aware that entire governments are way ahead of influencing you and how you think!

    For instance, are you aware that your opinion on Ukraine has a 95% chance of not being thought through and is more than likely the result of responses to mainstreammedia you’ve consumed?

    (Google, nudge departments)

    That’s ok, you’re not alone!

    More than 99% of our population have not examined the evidence of the USA war on Russia using Ukraine as proxy and even less would even understand it in those terms. Pretty much everyone, like you, relies on media for information and that’s in the face of overwhelming distrust of media in the first place!

    Just like you the vast majority of people rationally distrust mainstream media on any subject but when it comes to war, instinctively gather round that very self same media and regard it like their own forefathers were speaking through clothed icons moving about in their temples, speaking from left hemisphere through right in their bicameral minds, as if God Himself were instructing them on what to do and think, demanding they attack at dawn!

    Through this spit flecked response we rely on a sober commentariat, fully in command of history and fully on our side.

    Instead we have the likes of you, hysterical, accusing, completely subdued by jews, urging us on to death by proxy for a people who hate us.

    • Agree: acementhead
  134. Thëë question is, would Pääbo win the MVP award if he were on a lousy team, and can he both hit and pitch?

  135. @Meretricious
    @Redneck farmer

    There's a new white exec editor, so there's that. To be fair, sub-Saharans are indeed human BUT they are inferior humans, on average, compared with Europeans and Asians.

    Here's Lawrence Auster on issue:

    Why do I focus so relentlessly on these endlessly repeated stories of the massive cover-up, followed by the massive exposure, of black criminality and black failure—which is, we should point out, failure by white standards? Beyond its immediate interest and obvious importance, the truthful communication about black dysfunction and violence also serves the larger purpose of this website, which is nothing less than to save the American nation.

    In my view, the greatest single factor driving whites to national suicide is their false guilt over black inferiority. Because whites believe—as modern liberalism has taught them to believe—that all groups have equal inherent abilities, they also believe that the actual inferiority of blacks in almost every area of accomplishment and behavior must be caused by something bad that the whites are invidiously doing to blacks, or by something good that whites are selfishly refusing to do for blacks. However expressed, it all comes down to the idea that black failure is caused by white racism—the transcendent sin of the modern world. And because black inferiority continues, and is even getting worse, the conclusion is that white racism is continuing, and is even getting worse.

    The final result of this woefully mistaken thought process is the paralyzing racial guilt which makes whites feel that they have no right to defend and preserve their civilization, no right to defend and preserve themselves, but that they must instead self-sacrificially open themselves to and empower, not only blacks, but all nonwhites. This self-sacrifice takes numerous forms, including denial of the truth of black anti-white violence, denial of the tyrannical and murderous reality of Islam, and unquestioning acceptance of the mass Third-World immigration that is steadily turning America into a non-European country in which whites and their civilization will be steadily weakened, dispossessed, and destroyed. Therefore, as I began saying in the mid 1990s, if whites could see the truth that blacks’ lesser intelligence and other lesser civilizational abilities are not whites’ fault but are inherent in blacks themselves, it could literally save the country, by freeing whites from their suicidal guilt.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @BosTex, @Erik Sieven

    different is not inferior. It is like the differences between gender: males are more likely to attack you, but they are also more likely to protect you. Are they inferior or superior because of that? No just different.

  136. @Pat Hannagan
    Steve, you must be close to 85 by now, judging by your Crimean war positions on everything, from the Ukraine through to the King George's hold over the Commonwealth. We pretty much expect you to break out in Lord Tennyson's The Charge of the Light Brigade at any second, such is the fever for King and England you bring to every post. (The wonder is which side you would have fought in the Revolutionary War)

    As you slide into decrepitude, and I'm wary of treading softly here, on account I'm speaking to a brain addled sufferer of much bombardment of drugs, pre-marital sex, gay orgies, blokes pairing off at sorority house parties, declarations of oaths in pre-school general all round love of Israel declaring your allegiance to their flag.

    Look, we understand where you're coming from, here in the Commonwealth. We understand that you've grown fat and bloated in front of you free-to-air TV and expect that whatever president it's all the same face, like that face morphing technology in the Godley & Creme Cry video.

    You assume that what's right is covered in the stars and bars and damn the rest!

    Ok, sure old timer. Hang in there cowboy.

    But the thing is, see, we don't want to die.

    We don't want to be the proxy to your John Wayne Hollywood dreams.

    We aren't aspiring to world hegemony to see our flag atop some gay mountain full of aids, druga addiction, suicide, mass unemployment and homlesessness and all that is rotten about your empire.

    We simply care about our people knowing that your flag brought our destitution.

    We won't be fighting for your old time movie channel and we won't be fulfilling your dreams.

    We'll still probably have to change your pants as you get older and hopefully, if you're lucky, those who change your pants won't be non-White. Otherwise you'll be the star of a "dementia patients fight!" Tik Tok video.

    Choose wisely.

    Ukraine...or old school USA.

    The choice is yours.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dTnvhGHDGA

    Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not), @kaganovitch

    Congratulations!

    I hereby award you the 2022 Ig-Noble Prize for Literature. The Citation from the Academy reads: “To Pat Hannagan, for pioneering the post-Dadaist post-post-Modernist post-Expressionist new writing form of Unintentional Utter Nonsense. Sillier than Silly Putty, madder than the Mad Hatter, it almost seems to start to make sense until one realizes it doesn’t.”

    The Award comes with a one-pint can of Foster’s Lager to replace the one you drank just before writing your comment.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  137. @Stogumber
    With the Neanderthal I see a very puzzling development.
    Technically, if Neanderthals could interbreed and leave their genes with Homo sapiens, that means that the two were no different species, but different races. Different species don't have common offspring.
    So the media are technically admitting that there were different races, but as the word "race" never must mentioned, zhey now frame it as "Oh look! Species CAN interbreed!"
    Firstly this undermines the scientific terminology estanblished since Darwin.
    Secondly, if Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens were different species, why shouldn't anyone call Whites and Blacks different species, too?

    Replies: @International Jew, @Hypnotoad666, @kaganovitch, @AnotherDad, @Another Polish Perspective, @Happy Tapir

    Only male homo sapiens could mate with female Neanderthals, male Neanderthals could not mate with homo sapiens and this is why neanderthal Y-chromosomes are extinct. This is also one of reasons why we have feminism… de facto it celebrates neanderthal legacy, so to say.

    Also note normalization of all things neanderthal, not just getting drunk (which is now a “disease”), but recently of cannibalism with movies like “Bonnes and All” with ubiquitous Chalamet. Previously movies like “Shame” normalized sex addiction (sex drive being also behind homosexualism), and the main character was a descendant of Neanderthals (there is an explicit statement about this there).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shame_(2011_film)

    Our lords are covert Neanderthals…. the famous Habsburg jaw …. aka mandibular prognathism…. is a legacy of Neanderthals. And they are obsessed with genes, the ideology of “selfish gene” is their religion.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective

    They did survive not by some magical "selfish genes" but by careful reproductive strategies, like cousin marriages which conserve - to some extent - female line. Ever wondered why Jews suddenly shifted from Torah-mandated patrilineality to patrilineality after being taken over by Phoenicians and Canaanites? Why Jews shifted from fighting for their faith to preserving a single Jewish life at any cost (if possible)? Well, here lies the answer: preservation of X chromosome, following all this stories about heroic Canaanite women, like Tamar, Ruth, Rahab, Bethsheba marrying into Jews. First marry into, then take over and transform: this is selfish, but is this really a genetic program...? Does the benefit of reproduction really outweigh the sin of prostitution as the story of Tamar suggests?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Anon
    @Another Polish Perspective

    You're incorrect.

    Most of the interbreeding was between male Neanderthals snd female sapiens. That's why we have no Neanderthal mitochondrial DNA, very little X chromosomal DNA, but comparatively much more on the autosomes. X chromosomal Neanderthal ancestry is around 0.050%, but autosomal is around 1% in non-Africans.


    This is also observable in Neanderthald themselves. Most Neanderthals had a modern human mtDNA lineage from Africa that was distantly related to, but not the same as, the mtDNA lineage of contemporary moderns. So Neanderthals were breeding with Sapiens females.

    The Y-DNA pedigree of Neanderthals does not appear to exist anymore, but that doesn't mean anything as the mtDNA is gone, as well. What matters is the staggering difference in ancestry between the autosomes and x-chromosomes.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  138. @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    Look, I could see that if dudes were your thing and for some reason there were no dudes around, if you turned the lights down low and squinted a bit, you could pretend that Linda was a dude.

    It really doesn't work that way for actual gays. Gay men are terrified of vaginas and they really don't like women even if they look like men.

    I knew a closet case for a bit and he couldn't fake even joking about them.

    It is actually a tell-tale sign of a closet case. You make some offhand remark about sex or vaginas and they sit and pause to think about the reaction they should make. It could be totally absurd like "I'm gonna bang some black sliz in the applebee's parking lot later" and they will pause and think about what to say. Straight guys will laugh or say shut up / whatever / etc. Gay guys will respond like women in that they are shocked that you brought doing stuff with vaginas into the conversation. It doesn't matter if it is true or not.

    Paabo was probably just confused from facing constant rejection. But even constant rejection can't make you gay. In fact I remember a bio about a guy who actually tried to go gay because he hated women. He went as far as having sex with men but still couldn't switch over.

    Replies: @Truth, @YetAnotherAnon, @BosTex

    “Gay men are terrified of vaginas and they really don’t like women even if they look like men.”

    And yet in the past, a lot of “gay men” seem to have stepped up to the marital plate and produced at least “an heir and a spare”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @YetAnotherAnon


    And yet in the past, a lot of “gay men” seem to have stepped up to the marital plate and produced at least “an heir and a spare”.
     
    https://leonardbernstein.com/uploads/BernsteinFamily01_REDUCED-1489181229-960x480.jpg


    I suspect homoeroticism is more common in populations in which all members are expected to breed (Jewish, Protestant, black) than in those in which celibacy is a respected option (Catholic, Orthodox, Buddhist). The genetic component (whatever it may be) is more likely to get passed on.

    Also, pregnancy and the resulting infancy is an effective way of getting out of the sex act for long periods.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon, @Truth, @John Johnson

  139. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Stogumber

    Only male homo sapiens could mate with female Neanderthals, male Neanderthals could not mate with homo sapiens and this is why neanderthal Y-chromosomes are extinct. This is also one of reasons why we have feminism... de facto it celebrates neanderthal legacy, so to say.

    Also note normalization of all things neanderthal, not just getting drunk (which is now a "disease"), but recently of cannibalism with movies like "Bonnes and All" with ubiquitous Chalamet. Previously movies like "Shame" normalized sex addiction (sex drive being also behind homosexualism), and the main character was a descendant of Neanderthals (there is an explicit statement about this there).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shame_(2011_film)

    Our lords are covert Neanderthals.... the famous Habsburg jaw .... aka mandibular prognathism.... is a legacy of Neanderthals. And they are obsessed with genes, the ideology of "selfish gene" is their religion.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Anon

    They did survive not by some magical “selfish genes” but by careful reproductive strategies, like cousin marriages which conserve – to some extent – female line. Ever wondered why Jews suddenly shifted from Torah-mandated patrilineality to patrilineality after being taken over by Phoenicians and Canaanites? Why Jews shifted from fighting for their faith to preserving a single Jewish life at any cost (if possible)? Well, here lies the answer: preservation of X chromosome, following all this stories about heroic Canaanite women, like Tamar, Ruth, Rahab, Bethsheba marrying into Jews. First marry into, then take over and transform: this is selfish, but is this really a genetic program…? Does the benefit of reproduction really outweigh the sin of prostitution as the story of Tamar suggests?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Another Polish Perspective

    preservation of X chromosome, following all this stories about heroic Canaanite women, like Tamar, Ruth, Rahab, Bethsheba marrying into Jews.

    Where does the idea that Batsheba was non-Jewish come from?

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  140. 100% OT but perhaps of interest – Rump Ukraine is going to get the treatment Russia got in the 1990s.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/ukraine-must-revamp-labour-laws-and-step-up-privatisation-to-fix-economy

    Ukraine needs to revamp its labour laws and redouble efforts to privatise thousands of companies to repair its economy, its president’s economic adviser has said.

    Alexander Rodnyansky, an adviser to the president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said the war-torn country needed to speed up efforts to reform industries as it looked to rebuild after Russia’s invasion.

    Rodnyansky told the Guardian that the Ukrainian government needed to “create the foundations for rapid economic growth” while also financing the conflict.

    “We’re going to try to emulate a more liberal approach, like Denmark, with a flexible labour market because we need to catch up.”

    Rodnyansky said there were “peculiarities with our post-Soviet system” that had fuelled red tape. “If you want to let someone off on holiday, there is four pages of bureaucracy you need to go through.

    “There are also more conventional things to reform: ease of hiring, ease of firing, severance pay, flexible hours and contracts and fixed-term contracts.”

    Labour organisations have expressed concerns over workers’ rights amid the Ukrainian government’s labour liberalisation, which has included a vote in favour of legalising zero-hours contracts earlier this year.

    Rodnyansky said he was also in favour of reviewing minimum wages to scrap them in some industries where it did not increase employment.

    Rodnyansky was promoted to become chief economic adviser earlier this year after two years with the government. His father is a film producer who helped Zelenskiy become a household name as an actor.

    Below is Dad’s wiki, not the son’s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Rodnyansky

    • Thanks: BosTex
    • Replies: @BosTex
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Thanks for sharing this. Ukraine sounds totally screwed.

    -wrecked by the Russians.

    -about to be saddled by a lot of bad economic direction designed to take advantage of an impoverished population.

    -however: I think it will all just end up looking like a chilly Denmark, as mentioned in the article.

    -countries that look like Russia or Ukraine look that was cause there are a lot of Russians and Ukrainians there.

    -Denmark looks like Denmark cause it has a lot of
    Danes.

  141. @acementhead
    @Zero Philosopher


    "...activates a process called authophagy.."
     
    I've always liked the idea of eating authors; nice to know that it's a natural thing determined by genes. I was worried that it was just me and that I might be a bit different in some way.

    Replies: @Zero Philosopher

    You are twisting your panties over a simplle mispelling. I meant autophagy. From the Greek:”self eating”.

    • Replies: @acementhead
    @Zero Philosopher


    "You are twisting your panties over a simplle mispelling. "
     
    No not twisting my panties, playing with words. Your comment was full of simple(and complex) spelling errors. Typos happen, almost everywhere, except in Kratoklastes' comments.

    " I meant autophagy. "
     
    Obviously; had I not known that I wouldn't have been able to construct my 'joke'.

    From the Greek:”self eating”.
     
    Yeah I knew that too. Had I not I wouldn't have seen a 'joke' opportunity.

    Sorry to cause offence, none intended. I promise not to reply to your comments in future.

    PS The 'joke' that I submitted was the mild one. The one that I decided against included Camille Paglia.

    Replies: @Che Guava

  142. @Steve Sailer
    @Voltarde

    These are some heavyweight smart rich people funding this perfectly reasonable set of prizes. But it's hard to start a new prize that gets 1/100th of the publicity of the Nobel. It just is.

    But the scientists appreciate the generous prizes.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    I’ve been told by a number of the Unz commentariat that we can’t trust the New York Times at all for anything since it lies, especially about science. Yet here you are linking to this publication. How do you respond to those who insist it is just fake news?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Corvinus

    ? "Breakthrough" is, in some respects, for those scientists whose work is such they'll never get Nobel (Witten; the prototype of such people is John Stewart Bell).

    And -it' great for your family budget ...

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus

    Your act is wearing thin, you stupid idiot. Especially as you were a stupid idiot right from the start. Nobody here thinks you are anything but a stupid idiot.

  143. @Urengir
    It seems that the spelling is more difficult than its pronunciation: https://forvo.com/search/Svante%20P%C3%A4%C3%A4bo/

    Replies: @Foreign Expert

    Japanese tv is pronouncing his name Paybo.

  144. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D

    Fun fish fact: The Golden Trout which lives in little isolated Eastern Sierra lakes above 7,000 ft., is actually a subspecies of Rainbow Trout evolved to that environment. I recently learned that these trout got naturally planted in isolated mountain lakes by birds that carry fish eggs in their poop. The "Golden Trout" is definitely worth protecting, but it's confusing because even this subspecies has its own set of subspecies:


    California's official state fish is the California golden trout. California has three distinct subspecies of rainbow trout commonly grouped as golden trout: Kern River rainbow trout, Little Kern golden trout, and California golden trout. https://calfish.ucdavis.edu/species/?uid=117&ds=241
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @Brutusale, @Catdompanj

  145. @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    I’ve been told by a number of the Unz commentariat that we can’t trust the New York Times at all for anything since it lies, especially about science. Yet here you are linking to this publication. How do you respond to those who insist it is just fake news?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Mr. Anon

    ? “Breakthrough” is, in some respects, for those scientists whose work is such they’ll never get Nobel (Witten; the prototype of such people is John Stewart Bell).

    And -it’ great for your family budget …

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Bell did not get it because he died young. Rumor has it he was nominated the precise year he died.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stewart_Bell

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  146. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Stogumber

    Only male homo sapiens could mate with female Neanderthals, male Neanderthals could not mate with homo sapiens and this is why neanderthal Y-chromosomes are extinct. This is also one of reasons why we have feminism... de facto it celebrates neanderthal legacy, so to say.

    Also note normalization of all things neanderthal, not just getting drunk (which is now a "disease"), but recently of cannibalism with movies like "Bonnes and All" with ubiquitous Chalamet. Previously movies like "Shame" normalized sex addiction (sex drive being also behind homosexualism), and the main character was a descendant of Neanderthals (there is an explicit statement about this there).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shame_(2011_film)

    Our lords are covert Neanderthals.... the famous Habsburg jaw .... aka mandibular prognathism.... is a legacy of Neanderthals. And they are obsessed with genes, the ideology of "selfish gene" is their religion.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Anon

    You’re incorrect.

    Most of the interbreeding was between male Neanderthals snd female sapiens. That’s why we have no Neanderthal mitochondrial DNA, very little X chromosomal DNA, but comparatively much more on the autosomes. X chromosomal Neanderthal ancestry is around 0.050%, but autosomal is around 1% in non-Africans.

    This is also observable in Neanderthald themselves. Most Neanderthals had a modern human mtDNA lineage from Africa that was distantly related to, but not the same as, the mtDNA lineage of contemporary moderns. So Neanderthals were breeding with Sapiens females.

    The Y-DNA pedigree of Neanderthals does not appear to exist anymore, but that doesn’t mean anything as the mtDNA is gone, as well. What matters is the staggering difference in ancestry between the autosomes and x-chromosomes.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Anon

    So you infer male Neanderthal/female sapiens pairing from this staggering difference between the autosomes and X-chromosomes... it could be, but maybe we simply haven't recovered enough X-chromosome ancestry of Neanderthals. The huge disproportion quoted by you (o,050% X chromosomal vs 1% autosomal) far exceeds the standard autosomal shares provided by both sexes, which again means that either there was a mass pairing of sapiens female by Neanderthals men (when autosomal is proxy for Y-Neanderthal) or simply that we haven't recovered enough X-chromosomal ancestry.

    Still, the complete lack of Y-chromosomal Neanderthal lack is concerning, especially if we consider the possibility of mass pairings of Neanderthal men with sapiens females. What has happened with all their sons? Did some Y-Neanderthal focused-disease kill them all? What could that be (there are only few, rather rare, male-only diseases)? As an alternative, sometimes proposed holocaust by sapiens doesn't seem technically possible. The nature of this disappearance-event seems to be the greatest riddle here.

    In the end, the female Neanderthals/male sapiens dominant pairings must only explain why we have comparatively small amount of their X-chromosomal ancestry (and mtDNA mutates more easily than Y-DNA), whereas the alternative hypothesis of dominant male Neanderthals/female sapiens pairings must account for the complete dearth of Neanderthal Y-DNA, which is so much more concerning if - as you claim - the mtDNA detected in Neanderthals is of some unknown subgroup of sapiens, and such pairing really did take place.

    Replies: @Anon

  147. @Zero Philosopher
    An interesting side story about the sequencing of the Neanderthal and Denivosian genomes is that they discocred a similar sequence in modern humans defined by a single nucleotide polymorphism rs6873545, located in locus 5 of the GHR(growth hormone receptor) at Chr5:42,631,162. It codes for the deletion of the exon-3 of the receptor, a pair deletion of 2,700 nucleotide bases.

    This deletion appeared around 1.5 million years ago as the ancestors of Neanderthals, Denisovians and anatomically modern Humans left Africa. It seems to be geared towards metabolism, a switch that allows humans, especially males, to survive extreme famine

    How this deletion changes physiology is extremely interesting. The deletion, paradoxically, makes the receptor more sensitive to Human growth hormone. As a result, the liver produces more IGF-1(somatostatin C). This in turns, results in IGF-1 suppressing growth hormone release through feedback inhbition. This imrpoves insulon sensitivity and glucose utilization, since growth hormone is insulinogenic. It also decreases cellular division and activates a process called authophagy, which is a type of house cleaning where cells rid themselves of intracellular junk rather than wasting resources on useless growth(you obviously need growth, especially as a child, but it becomes pathogenic at one point and causes cancer)

    Nir Barzilai, from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, discovered that this ancient deletion is strongly associated with longevity and avoidance of diabetes, especially in males. Only 15% of Caucasians are heterozygote for the deletion, and only 4% of homozygonous. Having one of the 3rd exon deleted increases by 2 X your chances of living to 100, and being homozygonous for it increases your odds of living to 100 by 8 X. I happen to be one of those rare 4% that are homozygonous for it. I tried to copy a still of my DNA sequence deletion, but it didn't go through. I don't know why.

    Here is the one on Denisovians:https://www.researchgate.net/figure/A-GHRd3-in-modern-and-ancient-hominin-genomes-These-browser-snapshots-show-the-genome_fig1_336212467

    Anyweys, these ancient genes that result in superior health are disappearing from the gene pool as they are no longer needed in a World where pizza is easily available and the only exercise the average citizen does is walking to the fridge. Nietzsche used to say:

    "What doesn't kill me makes me stronger."

    Well, it is the weaknesas that is killing us. Individuals with mutations loads that would result in certain death as little as 100 yeara ago are coming through due to vaccines, I.C.Us and medication for chronic diseases like statins for arteriosclerosis and beta blockers for high blood pressure. But these crutches are taking away the *real* solution to these problems, which are genes for superior metabolims, as well as for superior will-power that makes one not eat 12,000 calorties a day unnecessarily.

    Replies: @Muggles, @acementhead, @Marquis, @kpkinsunnyphiladelohia

    Great description.

    You can trigger the effect of autophagy via intermittent and multi day water fasting, though having the genetic predisposition is way better.

    There is a lot of scientists work these days in ant aging and researchers are working hard I discovering senolytics.

    Barzilai is doing this gigantic trial right now to see if the old diabetes drug metformin is a life extender.

    The other drug that hold a lot of promise is low dose rapamycin taken intermittently. It suppresses mTor1 complex which in turn induces autophagy, lowers inflammation and enhances glucose disposal.

    Doctors are wary of using it since it is used in suppressing the immune systems in organ transplant patients but there the doses are large and chronic.

  148. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/04/science/nobel-prize-physics-winner.html
    https://archive.ph/1NHlt

    Congratulations!

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/NobelPrize/status/1577234275350740993

    https://twitter.com/NobelPrize/status/1577234862930505729
    https://twitter.com/NobelPrize/status/1577234875492417538

    Replies: @Romanian

  149. @MEH 0910
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/04/science/nobel-prize-physics-winner.html
    https://archive.ph/1NHlt
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1577237671222599685

    Congratulations!

    Replies: @MEH 0910


    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @MEH 0910

    Those drawings are hideous! Why can't they do some classical style portraits?

  150. Don’t know Swedish but I do know German and their umlauts are pronounced in identical fashion so am going to guess that the surname is pronounced “pay-ay-bo.”

  151. @Pat Hannagan
    Steve, you must be close to 85 by now, judging by your Crimean war positions on everything, from the Ukraine through to the King George's hold over the Commonwealth. We pretty much expect you to break out in Lord Tennyson's The Charge of the Light Brigade at any second, such is the fever for King and England you bring to every post. (The wonder is which side you would have fought in the Revolutionary War)

    As you slide into decrepitude, and I'm wary of treading softly here, on account I'm speaking to a brain addled sufferer of much bombardment of drugs, pre-marital sex, gay orgies, blokes pairing off at sorority house parties, declarations of oaths in pre-school general all round love of Israel declaring your allegiance to their flag.

    Look, we understand where you're coming from, here in the Commonwealth. We understand that you've grown fat and bloated in front of you free-to-air TV and expect that whatever president it's all the same face, like that face morphing technology in the Godley & Creme Cry video.

    You assume that what's right is covered in the stars and bars and damn the rest!

    Ok, sure old timer. Hang in there cowboy.

    But the thing is, see, we don't want to die.

    We don't want to be the proxy to your John Wayne Hollywood dreams.

    We aren't aspiring to world hegemony to see our flag atop some gay mountain full of aids, druga addiction, suicide, mass unemployment and homlesessness and all that is rotten about your empire.

    We simply care about our people knowing that your flag brought our destitution.

    We won't be fighting for your old time movie channel and we won't be fulfilling your dreams.

    We'll still probably have to change your pants as you get older and hopefully, if you're lucky, those who change your pants won't be non-White. Otherwise you'll be the star of a "dementia patients fight!" Tik Tok video.

    Choose wisely.

    Ukraine...or old school USA.

    The choice is yours.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dTnvhGHDGA

    Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not), @kaganovitch

    Choose wisely.

    Ukraine…or old school USA.

    The choice is yours.

    I was hoping after all that it would be a youtube of “The Charge of the Light Brigade.” But no, more 70’s crap .

  152. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective

    They did survive not by some magical "selfish genes" but by careful reproductive strategies, like cousin marriages which conserve - to some extent - female line. Ever wondered why Jews suddenly shifted from Torah-mandated patrilineality to patrilineality after being taken over by Phoenicians and Canaanites? Why Jews shifted from fighting for their faith to preserving a single Jewish life at any cost (if possible)? Well, here lies the answer: preservation of X chromosome, following all this stories about heroic Canaanite women, like Tamar, Ruth, Rahab, Bethsheba marrying into Jews. First marry into, then take over and transform: this is selfish, but is this really a genetic program...? Does the benefit of reproduction really outweigh the sin of prostitution as the story of Tamar suggests?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    preservation of X chromosome, following all this stories about heroic Canaanite women, like Tamar, Ruth, Rahab, Bethsheba marrying into Jews.

    Where does the idea that Batsheba was non-Jewish come from?

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @kaganovitch

    From the genealogy of Jesus. Only non-Jewish women (sans Mary) are mentioned in it. Also, her husband, Uriah, was non-Jewish, which makes it highly likely that she was non-Jewish, as there was no custom of Jewish maids marrying non-Jewish (the story of Dinah). This habit started when Jews became matrilineal, and the archetype of Jewish prostitute was born.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  153. @Corvinus
    @Steve Sailer

    I’ve been told by a number of the Unz commentariat that we can’t trust the New York Times at all for anything since it lies, especially about science. Yet here you are linking to this publication. How do you respond to those who insist it is just fake news?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Mr. Anon

    Your act is wearing thin, you stupid idiot. Especially as you were a stupid idiot right from the start. Nobody here thinks you are anything but a stupid idiot.

  154. @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/NobelPrize/status/1577234275350740993

    https://twitter.com/NobelPrize/status/1577234862930505729
    https://twitter.com/NobelPrize/status/1577234875492417538

    Replies: @Romanian

    Those drawings are hideous! Why can’t they do some classical style portraits?

  155. @YetAnotherAnon
    @John Johnson

    "Gay men are terrified of vaginas and they really don’t like women even if they look like men."

    And yet in the past, a lot of "gay men" seem to have stepped up to the marital plate and produced at least "an heir and a spare".

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    And yet in the past, a lot of “gay men” seem to have stepped up to the marital plate and produced at least “an heir and a spare”.

    I suspect homoeroticism is more common in populations in which all members are expected to breed (Jewish, Protestant, black) than in those in which celibacy is a respected option (Catholic, Orthodox, Buddhist). The genetic component (whatever it may be) is more likely to get passed on.

    Also, pregnancy and the resulting infancy is an effective way of getting out of the sex act for long periods.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Reg Cæsar

    "pregnancy and the resulting infancy is an effective way of getting out of the sex act for long periods"

    Without too much detail, that's not always the case. Some men find pregnancy attractive (indeed for some it's a fetish), some women have increased sex drive in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters, and it's amazing what babies will sleep through.

    But I guess if you're looking for a way out ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwpz3-St7EQ

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    You must be joking. Caothlic and Buddhist countries are the epicenter of homoeroticism and transsexuality. Orthodox countries are extremely homoerotic in the military ajd sporting worlds. Protestants are pretty much the only people who have their heads sewn on straight.

    Then again, you are a joke.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Truth
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah very little homosexuality in Catholicism.

    , @John Johnson
    @Reg Cæsar

    I suspect homoeroticism is more common in populations in which all members are expected to breed (Jewish, Protestant, black) than in those in which celibacy is a respected option (Catholic, Orthodox, Buddhist). The genetic component (whatever it may be) is more likely to get passed on.

    An interesting theory but I don't think the numbers would work. More gays than priests.

    Also, pregnancy and the resulting infancy is an effective way of getting out of the sex act for long periods.

    This is actually a really good point. If they don't want to do the deed then pregnancy at least gives them a break. The larger the family the less time there is for night activities.

    It is in fact the downside of suppressing gays. They are more likely to get married and fake certain roles to hide their homosexual nature.

    There has to be a balance between letting them run around as disease vectors and pretending they don't exist. It is extremely cruel to women to encourage gay men to get married and especially in the hook up app culture where they can break and come back with a disease.

  156. @kaganovitch
    @Another Polish Perspective

    preservation of X chromosome, following all this stories about heroic Canaanite women, like Tamar, Ruth, Rahab, Bethsheba marrying into Jews.

    Where does the idea that Batsheba was non-Jewish come from?

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    From the genealogy of Jesus. Only non-Jewish women (sans Mary) are mentioned in it. Also, her husband, Uriah, was non-Jewish, which makes it highly likely that she was non-Jewish, as there was no custom of Jewish maids marrying non-Jewish (the story of Dinah). This habit started when Jews became matrilineal, and the archetype of Jewish prostitute was born.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Jesus' genealogy shows us that it is really the story about prodigal son: of murderers, harlots, sex-addicts and maybe gays (see how the relationship between Saul and David is usually depicted in iconography) shall the Redeemer be born.

    Already as a child I was perplexed with this obsession with Davidic line... why so much stress on incorrigible sinners (generation by generation)? Does it mean that there has been complete lack of righteous men and David's line were the least sinners to be found? Why was Moses punished for relatively small transgressions and David's line big ones were simply written off?

    Later I read the Scripture and realized that the Old Testament verses allegedly talking about Jesus are as vague as the Deuteronomy verses allegedly bestowing matrilineal lineage. It is all interpretation.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  157. @Another Polish Perspective
    @kaganovitch

    From the genealogy of Jesus. Only non-Jewish women (sans Mary) are mentioned in it. Also, her husband, Uriah, was non-Jewish, which makes it highly likely that she was non-Jewish, as there was no custom of Jewish maids marrying non-Jewish (the story of Dinah). This habit started when Jews became matrilineal, and the archetype of Jewish prostitute was born.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    Jesus’ genealogy shows us that it is really the story about prodigal son: of murderers, harlots, sex-addicts and maybe gays (see how the relationship between Saul and David is usually depicted in iconography) shall the Redeemer be born.

    Already as a child I was perplexed with this obsession with Davidic line… why so much stress on incorrigible sinners (generation by generation)? Does it mean that there has been complete lack of righteous men and David’s line were the least sinners to be found? Why was Moses punished for relatively small transgressions and David’s line big ones were simply written off?

    Later I read the Scripture and realized that the Old Testament verses allegedly talking about Jesus are as vague as the Deuteronomy verses allegedly bestowing matrilineal lineage. It is all interpretation.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Funny that her name can be split between Bath (her way of seduction) and Sheba, the semi-mythical queen of Ethiopia, and an alleged wife of Solomon.... in this way Salomon would marry his own mother, in a sense, which is basically a wet dream of all fans of matrilineality. Which raises question how real Bathsheba name is... Or maybe "bath" comes from Bath/sheba?

  158. @anonymous
    any smarter people out there buy my theory--totally unsubstantiated, like all the best theories--that it's the neandrathal/denisovan genetic material tha afforded western man the enhanced conceptual ability to create civilization while sub-saharn afriques, to this day, remain way behind? Dunno, sounds pretty good to me.

    Replies: @Che Guava

    I have long ceased to believe the ‘recent out of Africa’ theories.

    Even the ancestors of populations like Dravidian in India and somewhat related to them, Aborigines in Australia must have left Africa well over 50,000 years ago.

    I once read a claim that people in the U.S.S.R. were trying to cross-breed other great apes with humans to create a slave-race to serve the great new state.

    I always suspected that it was just loonie propaganda.

    However, it always made me wonder if such was possible.

    Have never seen any answer in either way.

    If it was possible, even only in the distant past, the populations that had early left Africa had no effect from it, the later departures only a little. but in parts of Africa itself, why not? AI programs make that selection.

    Europeans made some links with Neanderthal, east Asians more with Denisovian, many other distinctive groups outside Africa.

    • Replies: @exnay on
    @Che Guava

    "I once read a claim that people in the U.S.S.R. were trying to cross-breed other great apes with humans to create a slave-race to serve the great new state."

    IF it is even possible, it would be a mule due to humans having 46 chromosomes and great apes having 48.

    On the other hand - 1 million+ year old archaic humans like Homo Erectus are believed to have had 46 chromosomes so they most likely could mix with a modern human...in the same way that a pygmy from the jungles of Africa could mate with a Chinese.

    , @Anonymous
    @Che Guava


    I have long ceased to believe the ‘recent out of Africa’ theories.
     
    Indeed. The press release cited above resorts to misleading wording to make it look as if the claimed "migration out of Africa around 70,000 years ago" is one of Pääbo's own research finding.

    Pääbo also found that gene transfer had occurred from these now extinct hominins to Homo sapiens following the migration out of Africa around 70,000 years ago.
     
    In fact, Pääbo's DNA-based techniques are not able to elucidate this point because no high-quality DNA has been recovered from sub-Saharan Africa to date.

    The relentless drumbeat seeking to cement "recent out-of-Africa" in the popular mind indicates that its supporters are NOT convinced of the truth of their assertion but regard it as ideologically useful and necessary.

    Measuring the genetic distance e.g. between Europeans or Asians and sub-Saharan African populations is complicated because the former - as Pääbo has shown - carry substantial genetic material from Neanderthals and Denisovans. Some sub-Saharan West Africans (e.g. Yoruba) also appear to carry a considerable load of introgressed DNA from a hitherto unknown "ghost" species of archaic hominins.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Che Guava

  159. @Reg Cæsar
    @YetAnotherAnon


    And yet in the past, a lot of “gay men” seem to have stepped up to the marital plate and produced at least “an heir and a spare”.
     
    https://leonardbernstein.com/uploads/BernsteinFamily01_REDUCED-1489181229-960x480.jpg


    I suspect homoeroticism is more common in populations in which all members are expected to breed (Jewish, Protestant, black) than in those in which celibacy is a respected option (Catholic, Orthodox, Buddhist). The genetic component (whatever it may be) is more likely to get passed on.

    Also, pregnancy and the resulting infancy is an effective way of getting out of the sex act for long periods.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon, @Truth, @John Johnson

    “pregnancy and the resulting infancy is an effective way of getting out of the sex act for long periods”

    Without too much detail, that’s not always the case. Some men find pregnancy attractive (indeed for some it’s a fetish), some women have increased sex drive in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters, and it’s amazing what babies will sleep through.

    But I guess if you’re looking for a way out …

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Without too much detail, that’s not always the case. Some men find pregnancy attractive (indeed for some it’s a fetish), some women have increased sex drive in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters, and it’s amazing what babies will sleep through.

    But I guess if you’re looking for a way out …

    He is talking about gay men coming up with excuses to not have sex with the wife.

    It really wouldn't be a bad strategy. When women are nursing and watching kids they are often worn out even if they are in the mood.

    But from what I have read the woman basically ends up raping the man in these relationships. The man is always making excuses and the woman has to take charge. I read about quite a few "pray the gay away" type programs in an effort to see if there was any hope for a closeted friend of mine in college. It seems that most programs not only failed but there was the risk of gays using the program to meet each other. Women that had married these men were devastated.

    Allowing gay men to marry is extremely cruel because the woman is not only deprived of sex but also attention. Women do need some male attention to feel attractive and wanted. The women go crazy trying to figure out what they are doing wrong.

    I suspect a lot of these gays are hiding in religious households. They can act like they find sex to be uncomfortable and always claim that they need to pray or take part in service. Women in strict denominations are taught they aren't supposed to desire sex in the first place.

    And let's face it, a lot of the uber-religious White guys seem kind of gay. Sure most probably aren't gay but not a bad place to hide. I tried going to one such service with a relative and wanted to say ... I respect religion and everything but do you guys have to be so gay about it?

    As I said this is a downside to keeping gays in the closet. They marry women that they aren't at all attracted to which can only have negative consequences.

  160. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Jesus' genealogy shows us that it is really the story about prodigal son: of murderers, harlots, sex-addicts and maybe gays (see how the relationship between Saul and David is usually depicted in iconography) shall the Redeemer be born.

    Already as a child I was perplexed with this obsession with Davidic line... why so much stress on incorrigible sinners (generation by generation)? Does it mean that there has been complete lack of righteous men and David's line were the least sinners to be found? Why was Moses punished for relatively small transgressions and David's line big ones were simply written off?

    Later I read the Scripture and realized that the Old Testament verses allegedly talking about Jesus are as vague as the Deuteronomy verses allegedly bestowing matrilineal lineage. It is all interpretation.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    Funny that her name can be split between Bath (her way of seduction) and Sheba, the semi-mythical queen of Ethiopia, and an alleged wife of Solomon…. in this way Salomon would marry his own mother, in a sense, which is basically a wet dream of all fans of matrilineality. Which raises question how real Bathsheba name is… Or maybe “bath” comes from Bath/sheba?

  161. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    No. This is not like breeding dogs (who are all a type of wolf).

    A mule has 63 chromosomes, intermediate between the 64 of the horse and the 62 of the donkey. This is not a stable #. Male mules are totally sterile. Some of the offspring from mating a female mule with a donkey or a horse (in the even the female mule is fertile at all, which it usually isn't) will be 63 chromosome mules, some will have 64 and be horses and others will have 62 and be donkeys. You could repeat this for 100 generations and they would still not breed true.

    Since mules have certain advantages as work animals, if it had been possible to breed a self reproducing line of mules, someone would have done it long ago but it wasn't.

    Replies: @epebble, @HA

    “mules have certain advantages as work animals…”

    Another interesting thing about mules:

    Mules have outperformed both parents, and even dogs, on cognition tests [11,12], showing that hybrid vigor may even enhance cognitive function [13].

    Smarter doesn’t always mean easier to train — in some cases, it can make that more difficult, in the sense that one has to demonstrate more clearly why doing a given task is actually to the animals advantage.

    • Replies: @Anstay Ithsmay
    @HA

    I've read that many are faster than horses too. If you can believe Louis L'Amour.

  162. I was lonely and had no friends. Then I turned gay. Now I have friends up the ass.

    • LOL: BosTex
  163. I just wanna know how those archaic hominins got to Africa.

  164. @HA
    @Jack D

    "mules have certain advantages as work animals..."


    Another interesting thing about mules:


    Mules have outperformed both parents, and even dogs, on cognition tests [11,12], showing that hybrid vigor may even enhance cognitive function [13].
     
    Smarter doesn't always mean easier to train -- in some cases, it can make that more difficult, in the sense that one has to demonstrate more clearly why doing a given task is actually to the animals advantage.

    Replies: @Anstay Ithsmay

    I’ve read that many are faster than horses too. If you can believe Louis L’Amour.

  165. @Reg Cæsar
    @YetAnotherAnon


    And yet in the past, a lot of “gay men” seem to have stepped up to the marital plate and produced at least “an heir and a spare”.
     
    https://leonardbernstein.com/uploads/BernsteinFamily01_REDUCED-1489181229-960x480.jpg


    I suspect homoeroticism is more common in populations in which all members are expected to breed (Jewish, Protestant, black) than in those in which celibacy is a respected option (Catholic, Orthodox, Buddhist). The genetic component (whatever it may be) is more likely to get passed on.

    Also, pregnancy and the resulting infancy is an effective way of getting out of the sex act for long periods.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon, @Truth, @John Johnson

    You must be joking. Caothlic and Buddhist countries are the epicenter of homoeroticism and transsexuality. Orthodox countries are extremely homoerotic in the military ajd sporting worlds. Protestants are pretty much the only people who have their heads sewn on straight.

    Then again, you are a joke.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    Protestants are pretty much the only people who have their heads sewn on straight.
     
    Protestants are the ones who sacralized gay marriage-- after desacralizing marriage itself. Once-Catholic countries followed suit when they were run by socialists, i.e., ex-Catholics.


    https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/collegian.psu.edu/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/dc/8dcdc12c-60a6-11e5-bf9e-0f121cff49f1/560074b96ef4d.image.jpg

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5788afd615d5db91c69f8879/1655195883133-7CH0PB2LZ5YINE53PMRD/ParishNoticeboard.jpg?format=1000w

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5ecd8094f51b0459bf86c4e6/9805f670-c9ee-4f00-a138-e1314f3edd2f/Pride+Flag+Sale+Flyer+w+volume+discount.jpg?format=2500w

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/522f9a6de4b074ba6870745f/1557453065532-ZSNN16P3141KBC0GMF1L/IMG_6275.JPG


    https://hannahmcknightorg.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/10-9-18-rainbow-flag-1024x768.jpg

    Then again, you are a joke.
     

    Then again again, you are "anon".

    Replies: @Anon

  166. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Corvinus

    ? "Breakthrough" is, in some respects, for those scientists whose work is such they'll never get Nobel (Witten; the prototype of such people is John Stewart Bell).

    And -it' great for your family budget ...

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    Bell did not get it because he died young. Rumor has it he was nominated the precise year he died.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stewart_Bell

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Brás Cubas

    Rumor.

  167. What’s not ever mentioned is that the humans who left Eastern Africa 60 to 100 thousand years ago were not the “Bantu” blacks that occupy most of the continent south of the Sahara today.

    The so called Bantu expansion happened only in the last 3000 years and they expanded from the jungles of Nigeria in Western Africa. They arrived as recently as 900AD in Zimbabwe and were still not at the southern tip of Africa when the Dutch landed there in 1652AD…the Dutch only encountered them when they explored 500+ miles north of where they landed.

    The eastern part of Africa had no Bantus until the early ADs either.

    The Bantus wiped out most of the original inhabitants during their expansion. Before they expanded though – they mixed with archaic hominids – about 20% of the Bantu genome is from “ghost” hominids [called ghost because the exact hominid is unknown at the moment] and unlike the Neanderthal, these were unlikely to have large brains, which would explain a lot.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @exnay on

    The Bantus wiped out most of the original inhabitants during their expansion. Before they expanded though – they mixed with archaic hominids – about 20% of the Bantu genome is from “ghost” hominids [called ghost because the exact hominid is unknown at the moment] and unlike the Neanderthal, these were unlikely to have large brains, which would explain a lot.

    The Bantu have larger brains than the San bushmen (the real natives) that they mostly wiped out in the last four to seven thousand years.

    Too many here seem to think that brain power leads to peace or civility. San are actually quite peaceful which the Bantu undoubtedly exploited.

    The Bantu had polygamous societies where excess men were sent out to conquer.

    In modern South Africa the Bantu view the bushmen as lower order humans. Amusingly many of the Bantu believe in White egalitarian fairy tales (Whitey holds them back) but not for bushmen. So Whitey is to blame for their condition but the bushmen are out in the desert because they deserve it.

    In other parts of Africa the Bantu still eat the bushmen at times. Yes eat them.

    Replies: @Anon

  168. @Che Guava
    @epebble

    It's a great shame that the genetic distance with certain human sub-species never quite became wide enough to have the same effect.

    Replies: @Truth

    LOL, all of the Unzistas with Asian wives would be happy their daughters couldn’t reproduce.

  169. “Pääbo was his Nobel Laureate’s father’s secret son.”

    They used to be called bastards. No offense meant.

  170. @Anon
    @AnotherDad

    1.) Neandertals were human.

    2.) There was no "battles".

    3.) Most Neandertals were already partially Sapiens by 200,000 years ago. All Neandertal mtDNA lineages in Europe and Asia are replaced by Sapiens lineages from Africa by 200k years ago, after an earlier "out of Africa" wave that involved a lineage distantly related to ours. A link describing this event is found below.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms16046

    All pre-50k year old Neanderthal remains from southwest Asia, where the interbreeding actually took place, are anatomically intermediate between Sapiens and Neandertals, suggesting additional geneflow that hasn't been uncovered yet (none of the southwest Asian Neanderthals have yielded a DNA profile due to the shitty weather).
    The intermixing in the Levant and central Asia probably involved super-hybridized Neandertals who are likely to have been genetically compatible with h.s.S.


    4.) Small amounts of Neanderthal ancestry is present on the X chromosome and the variation between ethnicities is extreme. The highest Neanderthal X DNA is found in the Balochi, the lowest is observed in Eskimo (see Table S2 at the bottom of the PDF file: https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdfExtended/S0960-9822(16)30247-0)

    Replies: @Truth

    2.) There was no “battles”.

    Why wouldn’t there have been?

    The French and the Germans battled, the Angles and the Celts, etc.

  171. @Steve Sailer
    @BosTex

    Biologist William D. Hamilton's rugby teammates referred to him as Apeman and Caveman due to his rugged browridge. Darwin looked like a bruiser too in his younger days.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Truth

    Really like an Albino Simian.

  172. @Che Guava
    @anonymous

    I have long ceased to believe the 'recent out of Africa' theories.

    Even the ancestors of populations like Dravidian in India and somewhat related to them, Aborigines in Australia must have left Africa well over 50,000 years ago.

    I once read a claim that people in the U.S.S.R. were trying to cross-breed other great apes with humans to create a slave-race to serve the great new state.

    I always suspected that it was just loonie propaganda.

    However, it always made me wonder if such was possible.

    Have never seen any answer in either way.

    If it was possible, even only in the distant past, the populations that had early left Africa had no effect from it, the later departures only a little. but in parts of Africa itself, why not? AI programs make that selection.

    Europeans made some links with Neanderthal, east Asians more with Denisovian, many other distinctive groups outside Africa.

    Replies: @exnay on, @Anonymous

    “I once read a claim that people in the U.S.S.R. were trying to cross-breed other great apes with humans to create a slave-race to serve the great new state.”

    IF it is even possible, it would be a mule due to humans having 46 chromosomes and great apes having 48.

    On the other hand – 1 million+ year old archaic humans like Homo Erectus are believed to have had 46 chromosomes so they most likely could mix with a modern human…in the same way that a pygmy from the jungles of Africa could mate with a Chinese.

    • Thanks: Che Guava
  173. @Stogumber
    With the Neanderthal I see a very puzzling development.
    Technically, if Neanderthals could interbreed and leave their genes with Homo sapiens, that means that the two were no different species, but different races. Different species don't have common offspring.
    So the media are technically admitting that there were different races, but as the word "race" never must mentioned, zhey now frame it as "Oh look! Species CAN interbreed!"
    Firstly this undermines the scientific terminology estanblished since Darwin.
    Secondly, if Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens were different species, why shouldn't anyone call Whites and Blacks different species, too?

    Replies: @International Jew, @Hypnotoad666, @kaganovitch, @AnotherDad, @Another Polish Perspective, @Happy Tapir

    Different Animal species can interbreed and produce fertile offspring in many cases. 30% of bobcats have lynx Dna, for example. What differentiates species? Simply that taxonomists can distinguish them. Martians after they conquer us will probably classify the different human races as separate species. It’s somantics basically.

    However, when Homo sapiens and Neanderthal allegedly interbred, this was an early stage of cromagnon Homo sapiens that was not as far removed from Neanderthal as modern humans are. The two were closer together in dna and iq at that time.

  174. @Brás Cubas
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Bell did not get it because he died young. Rumor has it he was nominated the precise year he died.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stewart_Bell

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Rumor.

  175. @Reg Cæsar
    @YetAnotherAnon


    And yet in the past, a lot of “gay men” seem to have stepped up to the marital plate and produced at least “an heir and a spare”.
     
    https://leonardbernstein.com/uploads/BernsteinFamily01_REDUCED-1489181229-960x480.jpg


    I suspect homoeroticism is more common in populations in which all members are expected to breed (Jewish, Protestant, black) than in those in which celibacy is a respected option (Catholic, Orthodox, Buddhist). The genetic component (whatever it may be) is more likely to get passed on.

    Also, pregnancy and the resulting infancy is an effective way of getting out of the sex act for long periods.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon, @Truth, @John Johnson

    Yeah very little homosexuality in Catholicism.

  176. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    You must be joking. Caothlic and Buddhist countries are the epicenter of homoeroticism and transsexuality. Orthodox countries are extremely homoerotic in the military ajd sporting worlds. Protestants are pretty much the only people who have their heads sewn on straight.

    Then again, you are a joke.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Protestants are pretty much the only people who have their heads sewn on straight.

    Protestants are the ones who sacralized gay marriage– after desacralizing marriage itself. Once-Catholic countries followed suit when they were run by socialists, i.e., ex-Catholics.


    Then again, you are a joke.

    Then again again, you are “anon”.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Support for gay marriage or gay rights has nothing to do with propensity for gay acts. It is already shown by numerous studies that countries like Japan, Thailand, or ethnic groups like Mexican Americans or Italians have higher rates of faggotry/transsexuality, despite being less politically active for LGBT. These groups are ashamed that they have LGBT tendencies and prefer to keep it under wraps.


    Protestants merely want to legalize and promote the natural proclivities of Catholics, Orthodox, Buddhists, etc. This is why some groups fear LGBT so much: they know that their ethnic group is the gayest and they know their communities will be devastated by it if it is legalized, and it conjures up ancestral memories of eunuchs and other ancient gender bending traditions, some of which were imposed by outsiders...

    Replies: @BB753, @Another Polish Perspective

  177. @Whereismyhandle
    OT: at least someone famous is standing up for Jesus and white people.

    Kanye's back on the menu, kids!

    https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/3672606-ye-candace-owens-wear-white-lives-matter-shirts-at-paris-fashion-week/

    Replies: @Whereismyhandle

    thanks, bro.

    • Agree: Prester John
    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Whereismyhandle

    In the meantime, one can only guess how many whites have been scammed by this outfit.

  178. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D

    Fun fish fact: The Golden Trout which lives in little isolated Eastern Sierra lakes above 7,000 ft., is actually a subspecies of Rainbow Trout evolved to that environment. I recently learned that these trout got naturally planted in isolated mountain lakes by birds that carry fish eggs in their poop. The "Golden Trout" is definitely worth protecting, but it's confusing because even this subspecies has its own set of subspecies:


    California's official state fish is the California golden trout. California has three distinct subspecies of rainbow trout commonly grouped as golden trout: Kern River rainbow trout, Little Kern golden trout, and California golden trout. https://calfish.ucdavis.edu/species/?uid=117&ds=241
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @Brutusale, @Catdompanj

    Completely intact fish eggs that have been swallowed, digested, then pooped out, hundreds of miles later.. sounds logical. Orrrrr….there was a worldwide flood?

    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @Catdompanj

    If the eggs were "digested", they would not be intact and hence not viable. What did the birds eat the fish eggs for if not to break them down inside their gut and absorb the proteins therefrom? The theory has a problem there.

    Replies: @HA

  179. @YetAnotherAnon
    100% OT but perhaps of interest - Rump Ukraine is going to get the treatment Russia got in the 1990s.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/ukraine-must-revamp-labour-laws-and-step-up-privatisation-to-fix-economy


    Ukraine needs to revamp its labour laws and redouble efforts to privatise thousands of companies to repair its economy, its president’s economic adviser has said.

    Alexander Rodnyansky, an adviser to the president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said the war-torn country needed to speed up efforts to reform industries as it looked to rebuild after Russia’s invasion.

    Rodnyansky told the Guardian that the Ukrainian government needed to “create the foundations for rapid economic growth” while also financing the conflict.

    “We’re going to try to emulate a more liberal approach, like Denmark, with a flexible labour market because we need to catch up.”

    Rodnyansky said there were “peculiarities with our post-Soviet system” that had fuelled red tape. “If you want to let someone off on holiday, there is four pages of bureaucracy you need to go through.

    “There are also more conventional things to reform: ease of hiring, ease of firing, severance pay, flexible hours and contracts and fixed-term contracts.”

    Labour organisations have expressed concerns over workers’ rights amid the Ukrainian government’s labour liberalisation, which has included a vote in favour of legalising zero-hours contracts earlier this year.

    Rodnyansky said he was also in favour of reviewing minimum wages to scrap them in some industries where it did not increase employment.

    Rodnyansky was promoted to become chief economic adviser earlier this year after two years with the government. His father is a film producer who helped Zelenskiy become a household name as an actor.
     

    Below is Dad's wiki, not the son's.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Rodnyansky

    https://static3.coolconnections.ru/people/1704/square/default/233d75930f978310e97a7b0f0c0d6ce30157abc1.png

    Replies: @BosTex

    Thanks for sharing this. Ukraine sounds totally screwed.

    -wrecked by the Russians.

    -about to be saddled by a lot of bad economic direction designed to take advantage of an impoverished population.

    -however: I think it will all just end up looking like a chilly Denmark, as mentioned in the article.

    -countries that look like Russia or Ukraine look that was cause there are a lot of Russians and Ukrainians there.

    -Denmark looks like Denmark cause it has a lot of
    Danes.

  180. @Anon
    @For what it's worth

    Gayface can be detected by machines. My natural detector would indicate that Svante is one. Half right, I suppose?

    He is unusual in swinging (back?) to heterosexuality. Most stories one encounters are that bisexual is just a rest stop, if you will, on the path to full gay.

    Replies: @BosTex

    Thanks.

    I think Ken Burns has a serious case of gay pedo face.

    As does Tom Hanks (I know, everyone likes the guy…)

    Steven Spielberg as well.

  181. @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    Look, I could see that if dudes were your thing and for some reason there were no dudes around, if you turned the lights down low and squinted a bit, you could pretend that Linda was a dude.

    It really doesn't work that way for actual gays. Gay men are terrified of vaginas and they really don't like women even if they look like men.

    I knew a closet case for a bit and he couldn't fake even joking about them.

    It is actually a tell-tale sign of a closet case. You make some offhand remark about sex or vaginas and they sit and pause to think about the reaction they should make. It could be totally absurd like "I'm gonna bang some black sliz in the applebee's parking lot later" and they will pause and think about what to say. Straight guys will laugh or say shut up / whatever / etc. Gay guys will respond like women in that they are shocked that you brought doing stuff with vaginas into the conversation. It doesn't matter if it is true or not.

    Paabo was probably just confused from facing constant rejection. But even constant rejection can't make you gay. In fact I remember a bio about a guy who actually tried to go gay because he hated women. He went as far as having sex with men but still couldn't switch over.

    Replies: @Truth, @YetAnotherAnon, @BosTex

    Thanks for posting this.

    Vaginaphobia sounds like a really terrible condition.

  182. @Truth
    @John Johnson

    I would seriously doubt that a nerdy nobel-prize winning scientist faced "constant rejection from women, because I would doubt that he made any effort with more than a handful of them. First of all, he was... kinda busy, getting PhDs and all.

    Secondly there aren't a lot of women in his inner circle,

    And thirdly, he is probably ridiculously introverted, as are most people who stare into microscopes 11 hours a day.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I would seriously doubt that a nerdy nobel-prize winning scientist faced “constant rejection from women, because I would doubt that he made any effort with more than a handful of them.

    Yes but he was a high school student and undergrad before then.

    Those years can really affect a person unfortunately.

  183. @Catdompanj
    @Hypnotoad666

    Completely intact fish eggs that have been swallowed, digested, then pooped out, hundreds of miles later.. sounds logical. Orrrrr....there was a worldwide flood?

    Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)

    If the eggs were “digested”, they would not be intact and hence not viable. What did the birds eat the fish eggs for if not to break them down inside their gut and absorb the proteins therefrom? The theory has a problem there.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    "If the eggs were “digested”, they would not be intact and hence not viable."

    There's all sorts of ways to get around that -- many or most animals who are panicked or agitated respond by emptying their bowels and stomach contents before everything along the tract is fully digested. Also, if the eggs were in the stomach of a fish or frog or smaller bird that the bigger bird had eaten, i.e. encased in a protective barrier, or if the bird had eaten something alongside the eggs that it later had to vomit up before digestion was complete -- or even if the bird itself had been killed and disemboweled by a bigger bird or carnivore or else had suffered some other mishap before digestion was complete -- a few eggs could survive. Also, an egg encased in mud or fecal matter could also just get splattered onto a bird's feathers or legs for all or part of the journey and not get digested at all.

    All sorts of freak occurrences can happen if one waits long enough, and we're talking about formations that have been around for thousands or tens of thousands of years.

  184. @Reg Cæsar
    @YetAnotherAnon


    And yet in the past, a lot of “gay men” seem to have stepped up to the marital plate and produced at least “an heir and a spare”.
     
    https://leonardbernstein.com/uploads/BernsteinFamily01_REDUCED-1489181229-960x480.jpg


    I suspect homoeroticism is more common in populations in which all members are expected to breed (Jewish, Protestant, black) than in those in which celibacy is a respected option (Catholic, Orthodox, Buddhist). The genetic component (whatever it may be) is more likely to get passed on.

    Also, pregnancy and the resulting infancy is an effective way of getting out of the sex act for long periods.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anon, @Truth, @John Johnson

    I suspect homoeroticism is more common in populations in which all members are expected to breed (Jewish, Protestant, black) than in those in which celibacy is a respected option (Catholic, Orthodox, Buddhist). The genetic component (whatever it may be) is more likely to get passed on.

    An interesting theory but I don’t think the numbers would work. More gays than priests.

    Also, pregnancy and the resulting infancy is an effective way of getting out of the sex act for long periods.

    This is actually a really good point. If they don’t want to do the deed then pregnancy at least gives them a break. The larger the family the less time there is for night activities.

    It is in fact the downside of suppressing gays. They are more likely to get married and fake certain roles to hide their homosexual nature.

    There has to be a balance between letting them run around as disease vectors and pretending they don’t exist. It is extremely cruel to women to encourage gay men to get married and especially in the hook up app culture where they can break and come back with a disease.

  185. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Che Guava
    @anonymous

    I have long ceased to believe the 'recent out of Africa' theories.

    Even the ancestors of populations like Dravidian in India and somewhat related to them, Aborigines in Australia must have left Africa well over 50,000 years ago.

    I once read a claim that people in the U.S.S.R. were trying to cross-breed other great apes with humans to create a slave-race to serve the great new state.

    I always suspected that it was just loonie propaganda.

    However, it always made me wonder if such was possible.

    Have never seen any answer in either way.

    If it was possible, even only in the distant past, the populations that had early left Africa had no effect from it, the later departures only a little. but in parts of Africa itself, why not? AI programs make that selection.

    Europeans made some links with Neanderthal, east Asians more with Denisovian, many other distinctive groups outside Africa.

    Replies: @exnay on, @Anonymous

    I have long ceased to believe the ‘recent out of Africa’ theories.

    Indeed. The press release cited above resorts to misleading wording to make it look as if the claimed “migration out of Africa around 70,000 years ago” is one of Pääbo’s own research finding.

    Pääbo also found that gene transfer had occurred from these now extinct hominins to Homo sapiens following the migration out of Africa around 70,000 years ago.

    In fact, Pääbo’s DNA-based techniques are not able to elucidate this point because no high-quality DNA has been recovered from sub-Saharan Africa to date.

    The relentless drumbeat seeking to cement “recent out-of-Africa” in the popular mind indicates that its supporters are NOT convinced of the truth of their assertion but regard it as ideologically useful and necessary.

    Measuring the genetic distance e.g. between Europeans or Asians and sub-Saharan African populations is complicated because the former – as Pääbo has shown – carry substantial genetic material from Neanderthals and Denisovans. Some sub-Saharan West Africans (e.g. Yoruba) also appear to carry a considerable load of introgressed DNA from a hitherto unknown “ghost” species of archaic hominins.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Anonymous

    The relentless drumbeat seeking to cement “recent out-of-Africa” in the popular mind indicates that its supporters are NOT convinced of the truth of their assertion but regard it as ideologically useful and necessary.

    That is correct. Out of Africa theory has always had problems and they know it. I remember being taught that Aboriginals are the oldest humans and also that all humans are on the same evolutionary level because of Out of Africa. Sure, that makes sense.

    The establishment still teaches egalitarian evolution because they want it to be true. Has nothing to do with their false profession of valuing the science.

    There is too much secular egalitarian appeal in Out of Africa theory. It is based around the belief that race doesn't exist and everyone is African. White kids are taught that they are African and come from an evil superficial political group that has held back the real Africans.

    It really doesn't matter if a dozen people win Nobel awards debunking it. Modern race denial is easily debunked and yet it is still taught as "the science".

    , @Che Guava
    @Anonymous

    Yes, I had heard of the last point before.

    I was reading on it, no Denisovan relics, AFAIK, only DNA. such old DNA, but they say a divergence hundreds of thousands of years ago, no doubt, crossing with Neanderthal at times. If they were, in fact, truly distinct populations.

    Genetic evidence would appear to show they were not, at first.

    Also, the many very old hominid fossils found in many places in east Asia, from long ago.

    'recent out of Africa' (50,000 years ago at most) is just a lie.

  186. For this work of fiction, perhaps the Nobel for Literature would have been more appropriate.

  187. Anon[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    Protestants are pretty much the only people who have their heads sewn on straight.
     
    Protestants are the ones who sacralized gay marriage-- after desacralizing marriage itself. Once-Catholic countries followed suit when they were run by socialists, i.e., ex-Catholics.


    https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/collegian.psu.edu/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/dc/8dcdc12c-60a6-11e5-bf9e-0f121cff49f1/560074b96ef4d.image.jpg

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5788afd615d5db91c69f8879/1655195883133-7CH0PB2LZ5YINE53PMRD/ParishNoticeboard.jpg?format=1000w

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5ecd8094f51b0459bf86c4e6/9805f670-c9ee-4f00-a138-e1314f3edd2f/Pride+Flag+Sale+Flyer+w+volume+discount.jpg?format=2500w

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/522f9a6de4b074ba6870745f/1557453065532-ZSNN16P3141KBC0GMF1L/IMG_6275.JPG


    https://hannahmcknightorg.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/10-9-18-rainbow-flag-1024x768.jpg

    Then again, you are a joke.
     

    Then again again, you are "anon".

    Replies: @Anon

    Support for gay marriage or gay rights has nothing to do with propensity for gay acts. It is already shown by numerous studies that countries like Japan, Thailand, or ethnic groups like Mexican Americans or Italians have higher rates of faggotry/transsexuality, despite being less politically active for LGBT. These groups are ashamed that they have LGBT tendencies and prefer to keep it under wraps.

    Protestants merely want to legalize and promote the natural proclivities of Catholics, Orthodox, Buddhists, etc. This is why some groups fear LGBT so much: they know that their ethnic group is the gayest and they know their communities will be devastated by it if it is legalized, and it conjures up ancestral memories of eunuchs and other ancient gender bending traditions, some of which were imposed by outsiders…

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Anon

    I remember a post by Audacious Epigone proving with numbers that the ethnic group with the largest numbers of sexual deviants ( homosexuals, transexuals, pedophiles, etc) were Ashkenazi Jews. Yet Jews are all too eager to promote the LGBTQ agenda and industry. So, your theory is probably wrong.

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @Anon

    It is exactly their clandestine culture which allows them to reproduce, forcing them in the arms of women. In fact, if we want to get rid of them, it would be advisable to MANDATE gay marriages (paraphrasing Lenin on capitalists, they would be hang with their own rope), just with a parallel total ban of having/adopting children, even by surrogate mother, a way of proliferation which actually seem to be of note among richer gays at least.
    BTW, so much is said recently about this country, yet many do not know that Ukraine has been one of the world (and certainly Europe's) capitals of surrogacy business, which may rise the question how many gay genes there are hiding, since main surrogacy centers (East Asia etc) have usually relatively high rates of homosexuality/transsexuality.

  188. @Anon
    @Another Polish Perspective

    You're incorrect.

    Most of the interbreeding was between male Neanderthals snd female sapiens. That's why we have no Neanderthal mitochondrial DNA, very little X chromosomal DNA, but comparatively much more on the autosomes. X chromosomal Neanderthal ancestry is around 0.050%, but autosomal is around 1% in non-Africans.


    This is also observable in Neanderthald themselves. Most Neanderthals had a modern human mtDNA lineage from Africa that was distantly related to, but not the same as, the mtDNA lineage of contemporary moderns. So Neanderthals were breeding with Sapiens females.

    The Y-DNA pedigree of Neanderthals does not appear to exist anymore, but that doesn't mean anything as the mtDNA is gone, as well. What matters is the staggering difference in ancestry between the autosomes and x-chromosomes.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    So you infer male Neanderthal/female sapiens pairing from this staggering difference between the autosomes and X-chromosomes… it could be, but maybe we simply haven’t recovered enough X-chromosome ancestry of Neanderthals. The huge disproportion quoted by you (o,050% X chromosomal vs 1% autosomal) far exceeds the standard autosomal shares provided by both sexes, which again means that either there was a mass pairing of sapiens female by Neanderthals men (when autosomal is proxy for Y-Neanderthal) or simply that we haven’t recovered enough X-chromosomal ancestry.

    Still, the complete lack of Y-chromosomal Neanderthal lack is concerning, especially if we consider the possibility of mass pairings of Neanderthal men with sapiens females. What has happened with all their sons? Did some Y-Neanderthal focused-disease kill them all? What could that be (there are only few, rather rare, male-only diseases)? As an alternative, sometimes proposed holocaust by sapiens doesn’t seem technically possible. The nature of this disappearance-event seems to be the greatest riddle here.

    In the end, the female Neanderthals/male sapiens dominant pairings must only explain why we have comparatively small amount of their X-chromosomal ancestry (and mtDNA mutates more easily than Y-DNA), whereas the alternative hypothesis of dominant male Neanderthals/female sapiens pairings must account for the complete dearth of Neanderthal Y-DNA, which is so much more concerning if – as you claim – the mtDNA detected in Neanderthals is of some unknown subgroup of sapiens, and such pairing really did take place.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Another Polish Perspective


    explain why we have comparatively small amount of their X-chromosomal ancestry (and mtDNA mutates more easily than Y-DNA), whereas the alternative hypothesis of dominant male Neanderthals/female sapiens pairings must account for the complete dearth of Neanderthal Y-DNA,
     
    You are completely mistaken.

    Y-DNA mutates much faster than mtDNA.


    We don't have any Neanderthal Y-DNA, but we don't have any Neanderthal mtDNA DNA, either.

    So the complete lack of Neanderthal mtDNA + extremely low X-DNA implies that our comparatively hefty dose of Neanderthal autosomal ancestry was inherited mostly from Neanderthal males. The Neanderthal Y-DNA pedigree has simply died out, as many other Sapiens Y-lineages did. The evidence does however prove that the geneflow that happened was mostly between Thal males and Sapiens females.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Another Polish Perspective, @Anonymous

  189. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Support for gay marriage or gay rights has nothing to do with propensity for gay acts. It is already shown by numerous studies that countries like Japan, Thailand, or ethnic groups like Mexican Americans or Italians have higher rates of faggotry/transsexuality, despite being less politically active for LGBT. These groups are ashamed that they have LGBT tendencies and prefer to keep it under wraps.


    Protestants merely want to legalize and promote the natural proclivities of Catholics, Orthodox, Buddhists, etc. This is why some groups fear LGBT so much: they know that their ethnic group is the gayest and they know their communities will be devastated by it if it is legalized, and it conjures up ancestral memories of eunuchs and other ancient gender bending traditions, some of which were imposed by outsiders...

    Replies: @BB753, @Another Polish Perspective

    I remember a post by Audacious Epigone proving with numbers that the ethnic group with the largest numbers of sexual deviants ( homosexuals, transexuals, pedophiles, etc) were Ashkenazi Jews. Yet Jews are all too eager to promote the LGBTQ agenda and industry. So, your theory is probably wrong.

  190. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Support for gay marriage or gay rights has nothing to do with propensity for gay acts. It is already shown by numerous studies that countries like Japan, Thailand, or ethnic groups like Mexican Americans or Italians have higher rates of faggotry/transsexuality, despite being less politically active for LGBT. These groups are ashamed that they have LGBT tendencies and prefer to keep it under wraps.


    Protestants merely want to legalize and promote the natural proclivities of Catholics, Orthodox, Buddhists, etc. This is why some groups fear LGBT so much: they know that their ethnic group is the gayest and they know their communities will be devastated by it if it is legalized, and it conjures up ancestral memories of eunuchs and other ancient gender bending traditions, some of which were imposed by outsiders...

    Replies: @BB753, @Another Polish Perspective

    It is exactly their clandestine culture which allows them to reproduce, forcing them in the arms of women. In fact, if we want to get rid of them, it would be advisable to MANDATE gay marriages (paraphrasing Lenin on capitalists, they would be hang with their own rope), just with a parallel total ban of having/adopting children, even by surrogate mother, a way of proliferation which actually seem to be of note among richer gays at least.
    BTW, so much is said recently about this country, yet many do not know that Ukraine has been one of the world (and certainly Europe’s) capitals of surrogacy business, which may rise the question how many gay genes there are hiding, since main surrogacy centers (East Asia etc) have usually relatively high rates of homosexuality/transsexuality.

  191. @Whereismyhandle
    @Whereismyhandle

    https://i.redd.it/fnfejsurjrr91.png

    thanks, bro.

    Replies: @Prester John

    In the meantime, one can only guess how many whites have been scammed by this outfit.

  192. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @Catdompanj

    If the eggs were "digested", they would not be intact and hence not viable. What did the birds eat the fish eggs for if not to break them down inside their gut and absorb the proteins therefrom? The theory has a problem there.

    Replies: @HA

    “If the eggs were “digested”, they would not be intact and hence not viable.”

    There’s all sorts of ways to get around that — many or most animals who are panicked or agitated respond by emptying their bowels and stomach contents before everything along the tract is fully digested. Also, if the eggs were in the stomach of a fish or frog or smaller bird that the bigger bird had eaten, i.e. encased in a protective barrier, or if the bird had eaten something alongside the eggs that it later had to vomit up before digestion was complete — or even if the bird itself had been killed and disemboweled by a bigger bird or carnivore or else had suffered some other mishap before digestion was complete — a few eggs could survive. Also, an egg encased in mud or fecal matter could also just get splattered onto a bird’s feathers or legs for all or part of the journey and not get digested at all.

    All sorts of freak occurrences can happen if one waits long enough, and we’re talking about formations that have been around for thousands or tens of thousands of years.

  193. @Anonymous
    @Che Guava


    I have long ceased to believe the ‘recent out of Africa’ theories.
     
    Indeed. The press release cited above resorts to misleading wording to make it look as if the claimed "migration out of Africa around 70,000 years ago" is one of Pääbo's own research finding.

    Pääbo also found that gene transfer had occurred from these now extinct hominins to Homo sapiens following the migration out of Africa around 70,000 years ago.
     
    In fact, Pääbo's DNA-based techniques are not able to elucidate this point because no high-quality DNA has been recovered from sub-Saharan Africa to date.

    The relentless drumbeat seeking to cement "recent out-of-Africa" in the popular mind indicates that its supporters are NOT convinced of the truth of their assertion but regard it as ideologically useful and necessary.

    Measuring the genetic distance e.g. between Europeans or Asians and sub-Saharan African populations is complicated because the former - as Pääbo has shown - carry substantial genetic material from Neanderthals and Denisovans. Some sub-Saharan West Africans (e.g. Yoruba) also appear to carry a considerable load of introgressed DNA from a hitherto unknown "ghost" species of archaic hominins.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Che Guava

    The relentless drumbeat seeking to cement “recent out-of-Africa” in the popular mind indicates that its supporters are NOT convinced of the truth of their assertion but regard it as ideologically useful and necessary.

    That is correct. Out of Africa theory has always had problems and they know it. I remember being taught that Aboriginals are the oldest humans and also that all humans are on the same evolutionary level because of Out of Africa. Sure, that makes sense.

    The establishment still teaches egalitarian evolution because they want it to be true. Has nothing to do with their false profession of valuing the science.

    There is too much secular egalitarian appeal in Out of Africa theory. It is based around the belief that race doesn’t exist and everyone is African. White kids are taught that they are African and come from an evil superficial political group that has held back the real Africans.

    It really doesn’t matter if a dozen people win Nobel awards debunking it. Modern race denial is easily debunked and yet it is still taught as “the science”.

  194. @exnay on
    What's not ever mentioned is that the humans who left Eastern Africa 60 to 100 thousand years ago were not the "Bantu" blacks that occupy most of the continent south of the Sahara today.

    The so called Bantu expansion happened only in the last 3000 years and they expanded from the jungles of Nigeria in Western Africa. They arrived as recently as 900AD in Zimbabwe and were still not at the southern tip of Africa when the Dutch landed there in 1652AD...the Dutch only encountered them when they explored 500+ miles north of where they landed.

    The eastern part of Africa had no Bantus until the early ADs either.

    The Bantus wiped out most of the original inhabitants during their expansion. Before they expanded though - they mixed with archaic hominids - about 20% of the Bantu genome is from "ghost" hominids [called ghost because the exact hominid is unknown at the moment] and unlike the Neanderthal, these were unlikely to have large brains, which would explain a lot.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The Bantus wiped out most of the original inhabitants during their expansion. Before they expanded though – they mixed with archaic hominids – about 20% of the Bantu genome is from “ghost” hominids [called ghost because the exact hominid is unknown at the moment] and unlike the Neanderthal, these were unlikely to have large brains, which would explain a lot.

    The Bantu have larger brains than the San bushmen (the real natives) that they mostly wiped out in the last four to seven thousand years.

    Too many here seem to think that brain power leads to peace or civility. San are actually quite peaceful which the Bantu undoubtedly exploited.

    The Bantu had polygamous societies where excess men were sent out to conquer.

    In modern South Africa the Bantu view the bushmen as lower order humans. Amusingly many of the Bantu believe in White egalitarian fairy tales (Whitey holds them back) but not for bushmen. So Whitey is to blame for their condition but the bushmen are out in the desert because they deserve it.

    In other parts of Africa the Bantu still eat the bushmen at times. Yes eat them.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @John Johnson

    Her screename is "John Johnson" but she sounds like a "Jenny Jennifer" when she drops nothing but old wive's tales about the Bantu.

    #YouToo, honey.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  195. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Reg Cæsar

    "pregnancy and the resulting infancy is an effective way of getting out of the sex act for long periods"

    Without too much detail, that's not always the case. Some men find pregnancy attractive (indeed for some it's a fetish), some women have increased sex drive in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters, and it's amazing what babies will sleep through.

    But I guess if you're looking for a way out ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwpz3-St7EQ

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Without too much detail, that’s not always the case. Some men find pregnancy attractive (indeed for some it’s a fetish), some women have increased sex drive in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters, and it’s amazing what babies will sleep through.

    But I guess if you’re looking for a way out …

    He is talking about gay men coming up with excuses to not have sex with the wife.

    It really wouldn’t be a bad strategy. When women are nursing and watching kids they are often worn out even if they are in the mood.

    But from what I have read the woman basically ends up raping the man in these relationships. The man is always making excuses and the woman has to take charge. I read about quite a few “pray the gay away” type programs in an effort to see if there was any hope for a closeted friend of mine in college. It seems that most programs not only failed but there was the risk of gays using the program to meet each other. Women that had married these men were devastated.

    Allowing gay men to marry is extremely cruel because the woman is not only deprived of sex but also attention. Women do need some male attention to feel attractive and wanted. The women go crazy trying to figure out what they are doing wrong.

    I suspect a lot of these gays are hiding in religious households. They can act like they find sex to be uncomfortable and always claim that they need to pray or take part in service. Women in strict denominations are taught they aren’t supposed to desire sex in the first place.

    And let’s face it, a lot of the uber-religious White guys seem kind of gay. Sure most probably aren’t gay but not a bad place to hide. I tried going to one such service with a relative and wanted to say … I respect religion and everything but do you guys have to be so gay about it?

    As I said this is a downside to keeping gays in the closet. They marry women that they aren’t at all attracted to which can only have negative consequences.

  196. @John Johnson
    @exnay on

    The Bantus wiped out most of the original inhabitants during their expansion. Before they expanded though – they mixed with archaic hominids – about 20% of the Bantu genome is from “ghost” hominids [called ghost because the exact hominid is unknown at the moment] and unlike the Neanderthal, these were unlikely to have large brains, which would explain a lot.

    The Bantu have larger brains than the San bushmen (the real natives) that they mostly wiped out in the last four to seven thousand years.

    Too many here seem to think that brain power leads to peace or civility. San are actually quite peaceful which the Bantu undoubtedly exploited.

    The Bantu had polygamous societies where excess men were sent out to conquer.

    In modern South Africa the Bantu view the bushmen as lower order humans. Amusingly many of the Bantu believe in White egalitarian fairy tales (Whitey holds them back) but not for bushmen. So Whitey is to blame for their condition but the bushmen are out in the desert because they deserve it.

    In other parts of Africa the Bantu still eat the bushmen at times. Yes eat them.

    Replies: @Anon

    Her screename is “John Johnson” but she sounds like a “Jenny Jennifer” when she drops nothing but old wive’s tales about the Bantu.

    #YouToo, honey.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Anon

    Congo cannibalism is a reality and the UN is involved
    https://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/democratic-republic-congo-pygmies-demand-tribunal-hear-cannibalism-murder-charges

    Oh did you not learn that in your African Studies course?

    Congo is Bantu country.
    https://www.britannica.com/place/Democratic-Republic-of-the-Congo/People

    I can source anything I post here.

    This isn't the establishment where you can just make up feel good left-wing bullshit about Africa and no one says anything out of fear of being branded a racist.

    Now go watch Black Panther while the adults discuss reality. Enjoy the mainstream lie of "out of Africa theory" while it lasts.

    Replies: @Anon, @Che Guava

  197. @Anon
    @John Johnson

    Her screename is "John Johnson" but she sounds like a "Jenny Jennifer" when she drops nothing but old wive's tales about the Bantu.

    #YouToo, honey.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Congo cannibalism is a reality and the UN is involved
    https://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/democratic-republic-congo-pygmies-demand-tribunal-hear-cannibalism-murder-charges

    Oh did you not learn that in your African Studies course?

    Congo is Bantu country.
    https://www.britannica.com/place/Democratic-Republic-of-the-Congo/People

    I can source anything I post here.

    This isn’t the establishment where you can just make up feel good left-wing bullshit about Africa and no one says anything out of fear of being branded a racist.

    Now go watch Black Panther while the adults discuss reality. Enjoy the mainstream lie of “out of Africa theory” while it lasts.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @John Johnson

    Congo is in Bantu country... And far, far away from San Bushman country.

    Netflix is involved with a white cannibal reality, millions of people will see Dahmer but nobody will ever hear or care about this Congo stuff.

    It's a sad day to be to you... As always!!!

    , @Che Guava
    @John Johnson

    John,

    It seems you are out of date. The new thing is to watch The Woman King, I doubt you will either, I sure won't, but that is the new thang.

    It's the real Wakanda, of old, keen slave-trading Dahomey, and truly reflects historical facts. Although I doubt that the real crew were as thick-waisted as the Kwangs I've seen in stills from the film.

    Actually, I am wrong there, sub-Saharan west African women tend that way.

    BTW, you are relatively new here, of the many anonymous and anon who always post as such, they are all morons for always posting as that, because they are silly paranoiacs or just trolls.

    Site rules, they have to have registered a user name.

    Uncommon exceptions, when regular posters use it.

    I read 'anonymous' or 'anon' posts if interested in the topic, but generally worth ignoring.

  198. @Zero Philosopher
    @acementhead

    You are twisting your panties over a simplle mispelling. I meant autophagy. From the Greek:"self eating".

    Replies: @acementhead

    “You are twisting your panties over a simplle mispelling. ”

    No not twisting my panties, playing with words. Your comment was full of simple(and complex) spelling errors. Typos happen, almost everywhere, except in Kratoklastes’ comments.

    ” I meant autophagy. ”

    Obviously; had I not known that I wouldn’t have been able to construct my ‘joke’.

    From the Greek:”self eating”.

    Yeah I knew that too. Had I not I wouldn’t have seen a ‘joke’ opportunity.

    Sorry to cause offence, none intended. I promise not to reply to your comments in future.

    PS The ‘joke’ that I submitted was the mild one. The one that I decided against included Camille Paglia.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    @acementhead

    acementhead,

    I missed the joke you made that Zero Philosopher was irritated by, but you should also state the one you say you can make abt. Paglia. She deserves a little levity.

    Replies: @Che Guava, @Che Guava

  199. @Anonymous
    @Che Guava


    I have long ceased to believe the ‘recent out of Africa’ theories.
     
    Indeed. The press release cited above resorts to misleading wording to make it look as if the claimed "migration out of Africa around 70,000 years ago" is one of Pääbo's own research finding.

    Pääbo also found that gene transfer had occurred from these now extinct hominins to Homo sapiens following the migration out of Africa around 70,000 years ago.
     
    In fact, Pääbo's DNA-based techniques are not able to elucidate this point because no high-quality DNA has been recovered from sub-Saharan Africa to date.

    The relentless drumbeat seeking to cement "recent out-of-Africa" in the popular mind indicates that its supporters are NOT convinced of the truth of their assertion but regard it as ideologically useful and necessary.

    Measuring the genetic distance e.g. between Europeans or Asians and sub-Saharan African populations is complicated because the former - as Pääbo has shown - carry substantial genetic material from Neanderthals and Denisovans. Some sub-Saharan West Africans (e.g. Yoruba) also appear to carry a considerable load of introgressed DNA from a hitherto unknown "ghost" species of archaic hominins.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Che Guava

    Yes, I had heard of the last point before.

    I was reading on it, no Denisovan relics, AFAIK, only DNA. such old DNA, but they say a divergence hundreds of thousands of years ago, no doubt, crossing with Neanderthal at times. If they were, in fact, truly distinct populations.

    Genetic evidence would appear to show they were not, at first.

    Also, the many very old hominid fossils found in many places in east Asia, from long ago.

    ‘recent out of Africa’ (50,000 years ago at most) is just a lie.

  200. Anon[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Another Polish Perspective
    @Anon

    So you infer male Neanderthal/female sapiens pairing from this staggering difference between the autosomes and X-chromosomes... it could be, but maybe we simply haven't recovered enough X-chromosome ancestry of Neanderthals. The huge disproportion quoted by you (o,050% X chromosomal vs 1% autosomal) far exceeds the standard autosomal shares provided by both sexes, which again means that either there was a mass pairing of sapiens female by Neanderthals men (when autosomal is proxy for Y-Neanderthal) or simply that we haven't recovered enough X-chromosomal ancestry.

    Still, the complete lack of Y-chromosomal Neanderthal lack is concerning, especially if we consider the possibility of mass pairings of Neanderthal men with sapiens females. What has happened with all their sons? Did some Y-Neanderthal focused-disease kill them all? What could that be (there are only few, rather rare, male-only diseases)? As an alternative, sometimes proposed holocaust by sapiens doesn't seem technically possible. The nature of this disappearance-event seems to be the greatest riddle here.

    In the end, the female Neanderthals/male sapiens dominant pairings must only explain why we have comparatively small amount of their X-chromosomal ancestry (and mtDNA mutates more easily than Y-DNA), whereas the alternative hypothesis of dominant male Neanderthals/female sapiens pairings must account for the complete dearth of Neanderthal Y-DNA, which is so much more concerning if - as you claim - the mtDNA detected in Neanderthals is of some unknown subgroup of sapiens, and such pairing really did take place.

    Replies: @Anon

    explain why we have comparatively small amount of their X-chromosomal ancestry (and mtDNA mutates more easily than Y-DNA), whereas the alternative hypothesis of dominant male Neanderthals/female sapiens pairings must account for the complete dearth of Neanderthal Y-DNA,

    You are completely mistaken.

    Y-DNA mutates much faster than mtDNA.

    We don’t have any Neanderthal Y-DNA, but we don’t have any Neanderthal mtDNA DNA, either.

    So the complete lack of Neanderthal mtDNA + extremely low X-DNA implies that our comparatively hefty dose of Neanderthal autosomal ancestry was inherited mostly from Neanderthal males. The Neanderthal Y-DNA pedigree has simply died out, as many other Sapiens Y-lineages did. The evidence does however prove that the geneflow that happened was mostly between Thal males and Sapiens females.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Anon

    "So the complete lack of Neanderthal mtDNA + extremely low X-DNA implies that our comparatively hefty dose of Neanderthal autosomal ancestry was inherited mostly from Neanderthal males. "

    What??! How??!

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
    How can you have different rules for absence of mtDNA (and share of X-DNA) and for absence of Y-DNA ??!
    If anything, either (mostly male, mostly female) or both (+/- equal share) are still possible in this situation of absence of evidence.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @Anon

    Actually, what other human populations (1) expanded mainly by virtue of Y-DNA, and then (2) the Y-DNA of those populations completely disappeared...? These two things do not go very well together.

    In other words, which population would provide a propagation model for Neanderthal ancestry?

    , @Anonymous
    @Anon


    the complete lack of Neanderthal mtDNA + extremely low X-DNA implies that our comparatively hefty dose of Neanderthal autosomal ancestry was inherited mostly from Neanderthal males.
     
    Not necessarily. It could be, for example, that Neanderthal mtDNA in conjunction with Sapiens autosomal DNA posed a significant but not always fatal evolutionary disadvantage with the result that Neanderthal mtDNA ultimately dropped out.

    Consider this hypothetical sequence of events based on the opposite configuration (S male, N female):

    (1) Sapiens male abducts and mates with Neanderthal female. All children inherit the maternal Neanderthal mtDNA. Sons inherit Sapiens Y and Neanderthal X. Daughters have both Sapiens and Neanderthal X. Note that Neanderthal Y has already dropped out at this point.

    (2) The hybrid S-N sons naturally mate with Sapiens females in their group. Result: the quarter-N grandchildren inherit neither Neanderthal YDNA nor Neanderthal mtDNA. They do inherit and pass on some autosomal and X DNA from their Neanderthal grandmother. This is the basic configuration still found in modern non-SSA Sapiens.

    (3) S-N hybrid daughters similarly mate with Sapiens males in their group. Resulting quarter-N grandchildren retain the Neanderthal grandmother's mtDNA and also inherit some of her X chromosome mixed with X from the Neanderthal's Sapiens "mother-in-law." Granddaughters inherit the other X chromosome is copied essentially unchanged from the other grandmother, i.e. the Sapiens father's mother, since there is essentially no meiosis between the Sapiens father's X and Y.

    HYPOTHESIS: In offspring of S-N hybrid females, Neanderthal mtDNA retained by the first-generation Sapiens-Neanderthal hybrid daughters is either less efficient by itself and/or is not fully compatible with autosomal Sapiens DNA. As a result, Neanderthal mtDNA is gradually eliminated through evolutionary pressure. Ultimately, only offspring through an intervening Sapiens female (possibly many generations after the initial cross-breeding) remains in play.

  201. @John Johnson
    @Anon

    Congo cannibalism is a reality and the UN is involved
    https://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/democratic-republic-congo-pygmies-demand-tribunal-hear-cannibalism-murder-charges

    Oh did you not learn that in your African Studies course?

    Congo is Bantu country.
    https://www.britannica.com/place/Democratic-Republic-of-the-Congo/People

    I can source anything I post here.

    This isn't the establishment where you can just make up feel good left-wing bullshit about Africa and no one says anything out of fear of being branded a racist.

    Now go watch Black Panther while the adults discuss reality. Enjoy the mainstream lie of "out of Africa theory" while it lasts.

    Replies: @Anon, @Che Guava

    Congo is in Bantu country… And far, far away from San Bushman country.

    Netflix is involved with a white cannibal reality, millions of people will see Dahmer but nobody will ever hear or care about this Congo stuff.

    It’s a sad day to be to you… As always!!!

  202. @John Johnson
    @Anon

    Congo cannibalism is a reality and the UN is involved
    https://www.culturalsurvival.org/news/democratic-republic-congo-pygmies-demand-tribunal-hear-cannibalism-murder-charges

    Oh did you not learn that in your African Studies course?

    Congo is Bantu country.
    https://www.britannica.com/place/Democratic-Republic-of-the-Congo/People

    I can source anything I post here.

    This isn't the establishment where you can just make up feel good left-wing bullshit about Africa and no one says anything out of fear of being branded a racist.

    Now go watch Black Panther while the adults discuss reality. Enjoy the mainstream lie of "out of Africa theory" while it lasts.

    Replies: @Anon, @Che Guava

    John,

    It seems you are out of date. The new thing is to watch The Woman King, I doubt you will either, I sure won’t, but that is the new thang.

    It’s the real Wakanda, of old, keen slave-trading Dahomey, and truly reflects historical facts. Although I doubt that the real crew were as thick-waisted as the Kwangs I’ve seen in stills from the film.

    Actually, I am wrong there, sub-Saharan west African women tend that way.

    BTW, you are relatively new here, of the many anonymous and anon who always post as such, they are all morons for always posting as that, because they are silly paranoiacs or just trolls.

    Site rules, they have to have registered a user name.

    Uncommon exceptions, when regular posters use it.

    I read ‘anonymous’ or ‘anon’ posts if interested in the topic, but generally worth ignoring.

  203. @acementhead
    @Zero Philosopher


    "You are twisting your panties over a simplle mispelling. "
     
    No not twisting my panties, playing with words. Your comment was full of simple(and complex) spelling errors. Typos happen, almost everywhere, except in Kratoklastes' comments.

    " I meant autophagy. "
     
    Obviously; had I not known that I wouldn't have been able to construct my 'joke'.

    From the Greek:”self eating”.
     
    Yeah I knew that too. Had I not I wouldn't have seen a 'joke' opportunity.

    Sorry to cause offence, none intended. I promise not to reply to your comments in future.

    PS The 'joke' that I submitted was the mild one. The one that I decided against included Camille Paglia.

    Replies: @Che Guava

    acementhead,

    I missed the joke you made that Zero Philosopher was irritated by, but you should also state the one you say you can make abt. Paglia. She deserves a little levity.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    @Che Guava

    I had never heard her speaking voice before. Only read. So. a sample, where her antagonist seems to be a fat gay man.

    In any case, an (I think quite old) example of Camille Paglia speaking.

    I would appreciate Acementhead using this to repeat his joke, too.

    https://youtu.be/vvrxQ4M3EOo

    , @Che Guava
    @Che Guava

    https://youtu.be/vvrxQ4M3EOo

    I never heard her speaking voice before, just reading. The fat male homosexual posing as debate partner is fat-u-ous.

    I'd appreciate if you'd repeat your earlier paglia joke, I missed it at the time.

    Replies: @Che Guava

  204. @Steve Sailer
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I am in favor of the Bergstrom-Paabo line carrying on reproducing, even if they do it rather oddly.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @George o' da Jungle, @Dumbo

    I am in favor of the Bergstrom-Paabo line carrying on reproducing,

    Me, not so much. I saw an interview with him and he seems odd.
    He gives a Harari vibe, which is also gay, by the way.
    (I don’t think real bisexuals exist.)
    I doubt even his supposed discoveries are that important, perhaps overhyped for some reason or other. It figures that HBD is some sort of IQ idolizing cult, but there are more important things in life.

    Then again, both Svante and Vigil are pretty ugly, so let’s hope that those poor children at least have high IQ going for them…

  205. @Anon
    @Another Polish Perspective


    explain why we have comparatively small amount of their X-chromosomal ancestry (and mtDNA mutates more easily than Y-DNA), whereas the alternative hypothesis of dominant male Neanderthals/female sapiens pairings must account for the complete dearth of Neanderthal Y-DNA,
     
    You are completely mistaken.

    Y-DNA mutates much faster than mtDNA.


    We don't have any Neanderthal Y-DNA, but we don't have any Neanderthal mtDNA DNA, either.

    So the complete lack of Neanderthal mtDNA + extremely low X-DNA implies that our comparatively hefty dose of Neanderthal autosomal ancestry was inherited mostly from Neanderthal males. The Neanderthal Y-DNA pedigree has simply died out, as many other Sapiens Y-lineages did. The evidence does however prove that the geneflow that happened was mostly between Thal males and Sapiens females.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Another Polish Perspective, @Anonymous

    “So the complete lack of Neanderthal mtDNA + extremely low X-DNA implies that our comparatively hefty dose of Neanderthal autosomal ancestry was inherited mostly from Neanderthal males. ”

    What??! How??!

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
    How can you have different rules for absence of mtDNA (and share of X-DNA) and for absence of Y-DNA ??!
    If anything, either (mostly male, mostly female) or both (+/- equal share) are still possible in this situation of absence of evidence.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Another Polish Perspective


    If anything, either (mostly male, mostly female) or both (+/- equal share) are still possible in this situation of absence of evidence.
     
    We do have some pointers. For a start, no Neanderthal Y survives in current Sapiens populations as would be the case if males go back to a Neanderthal "ancestral Adam."

    Also, intriguingly, in the video linked upthread, Janet Kelso seems to say that at least in later Neanderthals, an archaic version of Sapiens mtDNA had replaced the original Neanderthal mtDNA. Presumably, the original Neanderthal mtDNA posed some kind of fitness problem and ultimately gave way to human mtDNA.

  206. @Anon
    @Another Polish Perspective


    explain why we have comparatively small amount of their X-chromosomal ancestry (and mtDNA mutates more easily than Y-DNA), whereas the alternative hypothesis of dominant male Neanderthals/female sapiens pairings must account for the complete dearth of Neanderthal Y-DNA,
     
    You are completely mistaken.

    Y-DNA mutates much faster than mtDNA.


    We don't have any Neanderthal Y-DNA, but we don't have any Neanderthal mtDNA DNA, either.

    So the complete lack of Neanderthal mtDNA + extremely low X-DNA implies that our comparatively hefty dose of Neanderthal autosomal ancestry was inherited mostly from Neanderthal males. The Neanderthal Y-DNA pedigree has simply died out, as many other Sapiens Y-lineages did. The evidence does however prove that the geneflow that happened was mostly between Thal males and Sapiens females.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Another Polish Perspective, @Anonymous

    Actually, what other human populations (1) expanded mainly by virtue of Y-DNA, and then (2) the Y-DNA of those populations completely disappeared…? These two things do not go very well together.

    In other words, which population would provide a propagation model for Neanderthal ancestry?

  207. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    @Another Polish Perspective


    explain why we have comparatively small amount of their X-chromosomal ancestry (and mtDNA mutates more easily than Y-DNA), whereas the alternative hypothesis of dominant male Neanderthals/female sapiens pairings must account for the complete dearth of Neanderthal Y-DNA,
     
    You are completely mistaken.

    Y-DNA mutates much faster than mtDNA.


    We don't have any Neanderthal Y-DNA, but we don't have any Neanderthal mtDNA DNA, either.

    So the complete lack of Neanderthal mtDNA + extremely low X-DNA implies that our comparatively hefty dose of Neanderthal autosomal ancestry was inherited mostly from Neanderthal males. The Neanderthal Y-DNA pedigree has simply died out, as many other Sapiens Y-lineages did. The evidence does however prove that the geneflow that happened was mostly between Thal males and Sapiens females.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Another Polish Perspective, @Anonymous

    the complete lack of Neanderthal mtDNA + extremely low X-DNA implies that our comparatively hefty dose of Neanderthal autosomal ancestry was inherited mostly from Neanderthal males.

    Not necessarily. It could be, for example, that Neanderthal mtDNA in conjunction with Sapiens autosomal DNA posed a significant but not always fatal evolutionary disadvantage with the result that Neanderthal mtDNA ultimately dropped out.

    Consider this hypothetical sequence of events based on the opposite configuration (S male, N female):

    (1) Sapiens male abducts and mates with Neanderthal female. All children inherit the maternal Neanderthal mtDNA. Sons inherit Sapiens Y and Neanderthal X. Daughters have both Sapiens and Neanderthal X. Note that Neanderthal Y has already dropped out at this point.

    (2) The hybrid S-N sons naturally mate with Sapiens females in their group. Result: the quarter-N grandchildren inherit neither Neanderthal YDNA nor Neanderthal mtDNA. They do inherit and pass on some autosomal and X DNA from their Neanderthal grandmother. This is the basic configuration still found in modern non-SSA Sapiens.

    (3) S-N hybrid daughters similarly mate with Sapiens males in their group. Resulting quarter-N grandchildren retain the Neanderthal grandmother’s mtDNA and also inherit some of her X chromosome mixed with X from the Neanderthal’s Sapiens “mother-in-law.” Granddaughters inherit the other X chromosome is copied essentially unchanged from the other grandmother, i.e. the Sapiens father’s mother, since there is essentially no meiosis between the Sapiens father’s X and Y.

    HYPOTHESIS: In offspring of S-N hybrid females, Neanderthal mtDNA retained by the first-generation Sapiens-Neanderthal hybrid daughters is either less efficient by itself and/or is not fully compatible with autosomal Sapiens DNA. As a result, Neanderthal mtDNA is gradually eliminated through evolutionary pressure. Ultimately, only offspring through an intervening Sapiens female (possibly many generations after the initial cross-breeding) remains in play.

  208. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Another Polish Perspective
    @Anon

    "So the complete lack of Neanderthal mtDNA + extremely low X-DNA implies that our comparatively hefty dose of Neanderthal autosomal ancestry was inherited mostly from Neanderthal males. "

    What??! How??!

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
    How can you have different rules for absence of mtDNA (and share of X-DNA) and for absence of Y-DNA ??!
    If anything, either (mostly male, mostly female) or both (+/- equal share) are still possible in this situation of absence of evidence.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    If anything, either (mostly male, mostly female) or both (+/- equal share) are still possible in this situation of absence of evidence.

    We do have some pointers. For a start, no Neanderthal Y survives in current Sapiens populations as would be the case if males go back to a Neanderthal “ancestral Adam.”

    Also, intriguingly, in the video linked upthread, Janet Kelso seems to say that at least in later Neanderthals, an archaic version of Sapiens mtDNA had replaced the original Neanderthal mtDNA. Presumably, the original Neanderthal mtDNA posed some kind of fitness problem and ultimately gave way to human mtDNA.

  209. @Che Guava
    @acementhead

    acementhead,

    I missed the joke you made that Zero Philosopher was irritated by, but you should also state the one you say you can make abt. Paglia. She deserves a little levity.

    Replies: @Che Guava, @Che Guava

    I had never heard her speaking voice before. Only read. So. a sample, where her antagonist seems to be a fat gay man.

    In any case, an (I think quite old) example of Camille Paglia speaking.

    I would appreciate Acementhead using this to repeat his joke, too.

  210. @Che Guava
    @acementhead

    acementhead,

    I missed the joke you made that Zero Philosopher was irritated by, but you should also state the one you say you can make abt. Paglia. She deserves a little levity.

    Replies: @Che Guava, @Che Guava

    I never heard her speaking voice before, just reading. The fat male homosexual posing as debate partner is fat-u-ous.

    I’d appreciate if you’d repeat your earlier paglia joke, I missed it at the time.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    @Che Guava

    Neither of the near-dual comments was actually posted to myself. Site timeout and poor moderation (deathly slow) produced that result.

    Same for the double-post, after well over half an hour, I could see no sign that I'd posted anything, so I tried again.

    The actual addressee, both times, was not me but fellow commentor Acementhead. Since this site's otherwise good software loses the link to the addressee after a certain time, replacing it with the originator of the post, and for some inexplicable reason the comment took hours even to reach 'awaiting moderation', I fell asleep for a few hours, sure enough, now I check, the addressee had become me.

    Sleeping again for a little from now, public hol.
    here, but work for me.

  211. @Che Guava
    @Che Guava

    https://youtu.be/vvrxQ4M3EOo

    I never heard her speaking voice before, just reading. The fat male homosexual posing as debate partner is fat-u-ous.

    I'd appreciate if you'd repeat your earlier paglia joke, I missed it at the time.

    Replies: @Che Guava

    Neither of the near-dual comments was actually posted to myself. Site timeout and poor moderation (deathly slow) produced that result.

    Same for the double-post, after well over half an hour, I could see no sign that I’d posted anything, so I tried again.

    The actual addressee, both times, was not me but fellow commentor Acementhead. Since this site’s otherwise good software loses the link to the addressee after a certain time, replacing it with the originator of the post, and for some inexplicable reason the comment took hours even to reach ‘awaiting moderation’, I fell asleep for a few hours, sure enough, now I check, the addressee had become me.

    Sleeping again for a little from now, public hol.
    here, but work for me.

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