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So all three political persuasions of whites–liberals, moderates, & conservative– see Jews as being considerably more “privileged” than the average?

Jews (olive green in the graph above) are seen as the most privileged identity by white moderates and white conservatives and as tied for second (with whites and behind only men) by white liberals.

That quite amazing considering that the term “Jewish privilege” is almost completely blockaded from the prestige press. The New York Times has allowed the phrase “Jewish privilege” to appear in its page three times in its history, in 1982, 2010 and last year in a piece about Philip Roth. Note, however, that the question didn’t use the word “privilege,” it used “advantage.”

Is today’s incessant media discourse about “privilege” really as good for the Jews as many Jewish media personalities tend to assume? Maybe it would be tactically prudent to tone down the “White Privilege” rhetoric because it leads a lot of people to think about “Jewish Privilege” as well?

Update: nonwhites see a lot of Jewish Privilege too:

 
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  1. Jews are very smart people except when it comes to one subject: themselves. again and again the vast majority of jews seem incapable of objectively evaluating how they appear to others.

    • Agree: Ibound1
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @BigDickNick

    Theya aren't interested. Its the diaspora strategy. Weaken the host to extract resources, heat gets to hot, resources exhausted, move on, change name bla bla.

    , @Svigor
    @BigDickNick

    What's really amazing is when you've observed Jewish culture long enough that the flowchart* starts to come into view. You realize that their entire culture is set up to relieve Jews of the burden of self-evaluation.

    *You know, the Jewish playbook on deflecting blame. "Did the goy imply Jews are a race?" -arrow- "pretend Jewry is a religion." "Did the goy criticize a devoted Jew who had a non-Jewish mother" -arrow- "No True Scotsman." Etc. I should draw that up some day. I know an awful lot of the arrows ultimately lead to "You have proven the goy an antisemite. You must now dismiss everything he said and walk away."

    Replies: @Anonymouse

    , @notanon
    @BigDickNick

    if a population lives as a minority without a homeland imo the only two long term options are:

    1) assimilate and disappear

    or

    2) develop genetic or cultural traits which prevent assimilation.

    provoking anti-semitism prevents assimilation.

    evolution innit - reminds me of plants growing barbs to stop themselves being eaten.

    stepping back and looking at it objectively just as a hbd phenomenon it's pretty fascinating.

    , @Anonymouse
    @BigDickNick

    >the vast majority of jews seem incapable of objectively evaluating how they appear to others.

    How would you know? you're not a jew. Apparently, you are able to jump into the heads of people who are not you and see how they view themselves in the world. You either are gifted with supernatural powers or you're just another Unz.com bigot.

    Replies: @BigDickNick

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @BigDickNick


    Jews are very smart people except when it comes to one subject: themselves. again and again the vast majority of jews seem incapable of objectively evaluating how they appear to others.
     
    It's pretty wild if you're ever on the "inside" with Jews for a while - not fitting in so much as being a fixture like a chair or table. They can be quite apt at describing the behavior of other kinds of Jews.

    I've had liberal-ish Reform Jews tell me to watch out for the Black Hats, describing them as clannish, avaricious, dishonest towards outsiders and sharp in their business practices without any sense of self-awareness.

    Replies: @Anonymouse

  2. Lot says:

    “Is today’s incessant media discourse about “privilege” really as good for the Jews as many Jewish media personalities tend to assume? ”

    What’s the evidence that Jews who talk about “white privilege” think doing so is good for Jews?

    As best as I can tell, the American SJW party line is Jews are awful white people, just not as bad as Anglo-Saxons or Germans. And the Euroweenie version is Israel is as bad as apartheid South Africa and maybe a little better than Nazi Germany, and certainly worse than China which is never a target of their boycott campaigns.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Lot

    How big do you imagine the Jewish Megaphone is these days? Is your theory that those people don’t care what is good for the Jews?

    Because they sure as hell like to talk about white privilege.

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Svigor
    @Lot

    The fact that "Is It Good For The Jews" obviously informs everything that the preponderance of prominent Jews do. Why would this be an exception?

    Then there's all the evidence that Jews think keeping Whitey under their boots and empowering multicult is how to combat "anti-semitism" and huwhite nationalism.

    Replies: @Lot, @Michael S

    , @neutral
    @Lot


    What’s the evidence
     
    Look at the ownership of the mass media, look at senior level jobs in academia, that is plenty and indisputable evidence right there.
    , @reiner Tor
    @Lot


    What’s the evidence that Jews who talk about “white privilege” think doing so is good for Jews?
     
    Some of them explicitly say so, when arguing how "as Jews" they remember the Holocaust, which they cannot let happen again, and as a consequence they have to support refugees etc. Then the same people will talk about white privilege. Most people here assume that if someone explicitly uses the argument that "it's good because it's good for the Jews," then the same person probably accepts the rest of the leftist package for much the same reasons. At least, it's very likely that if someone uses the explicit argument in some cases, he must consider the issue to be important. So, Steve's proposal that they might think about it for other issues, too, makes sense.

    the Euroweenie version is Israel is as bad as apartheid South Africa and maybe a little better than Nazi Germany, and certainly worse than China
     
    Because Europeans consider Israeli Jews to be just like them. Therefore, they apply all the leftist analysis on Israel. Since Israel is more nationalistic (healthier) than basically any other white countries (even compared to Russia, certainly more nationalistic than Hungary or Poland, not to mention any Western European or North American nation), the verdict is obvious.

    The big question is why this verdict is not applied by all leftists: why is Chuck Schumer supporting Israel? Does he not consider Israeli Jews to be white? Someone who identifies as Jewish and also supports the interests of the (explicitly) Jewish state would surely think about Jewish interests in general, wouldn't he? He's, basically, a Jewish nationalist. Nothing wrong with it: just don't lie about it. Also, it's pretty interesting that he's a leftist, i.e. opposed to the nationalism of all whites except Jews.

    Do you think such people like Schumer are a minuscule minority among Jews?
    , @notanon
    @Lot


    What’s the evidence that Jews who talk about “white privilege” think doing so is good for Jews?
     
    i don't think they necessarily do think that - i think it's more a kind of allergic reaction to the majority population.

    in Japan the same people would be attacking Japanese privilege.
    , @SFG
    @Lot

    The sense I get is that SJW American Jews (which is most of them outside this comment board) see themselves as having a special mission to fight prejudice because they were the targets of it in the past, and benefit from privilege because they are seen as white people, so they have the obligation to fight white privilege.

    Again, I'm not in the inner circle and never went to Hillel, so it's entirely possible they're self-aware and actually planning to divide the white majority as a conscious strategy. I did meet *one* guy who, when I argued Jews should vote Republican, said they were doing better with the Democrats and had no reason to change. So I guess I knew one guy who fit that. That said I have all the schmooze of a used carburetor and this stuff may well all be going on in circles I didn't get invited to.

    My few weak attempts at playing the Jewish card were back in college, when I went to a few meals in the kosher dining hall (and yes, I was trying to pick up a dorky Jewish girl I had a crush on.) Quite a few were Republicans, but back then none of this alt-right stuff existed, though so I have no idea what they'd think of Trump.

    The few guys I kept in touch with like him, but they're from more blue-collar backgrounds (Russian/Sephardic).

  3. White liberals in 2001 were nearly as patriotic as conservatives, but not anymore.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Lot

    Unclear my ass.

    President Soetoro happened.

    Replies: @Escher

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Lot


    White liberals in 2001 were nearly as patriotic as conservatives, but not anymore.
     
    A lot of them seems quite patriotic in the traditional Sean-Hannity-patriotard fashion of praising functionaries of the state - the FBI, the CIA, the military, etc.
  4. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @BigDickNick
    Jews are very smart people except when it comes to one subject: themselves. again and again the vast majority of jews seem incapable of objectively evaluating how they appear to others.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Svigor, @notanon, @Anonymouse, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Theya aren’t interested. Its the diaspora strategy. Weaken the host to extract resources, heat gets to hot, resources exhausted, move on, change name bla bla.

  5. @Lot
    “Is today’s incessant media discourse about “privilege” really as good for the Jews as many Jewish media personalities tend to assume? ”

    What’s the evidence that Jews who talk about “white privilege” think doing so is good for Jews?

    As best as I can tell, the American SJW party line is Jews are awful white people, just not as bad as Anglo-Saxons or Germans. And the Euroweenie version is Israel is as bad as apartheid South Africa and maybe a little better than Nazi Germany, and certainly worse than China which is never a target of their boycott campaigns.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Svigor, @neutral, @reiner Tor, @notanon, @SFG

    How big do you imagine the Jewish Megaphone is these days? Is your theory that those people don’t care what is good for the Jews?

    Because they sure as hell like to talk about white privilege.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Desiderius

    “How big do you imagine the Jewish Megaphone is these days?”

    I don’t think there is a single unified Jewish view on American race issues. Rather, they fall into the same basic four camps that probably 99% of other Americans do which I’d label hard left, center left, center right, hard right.

    Hard left is what you see in academia and race activists, center left is a what you see in most older white democrats and coastal elites, center right is mushy Republicans, most older independents, and most middle American elites, hard right are the views of activist conservatives and the small slice of HBD aware elites.

    Jews are disproportionately visible in every single group.

    “Is your theory that those people don’t care what is good for the Jews?”

    Conservatives and moderates care, the hard left Jews in general see Jews as a slightly less bad type of white.

    I don’t know if the ones who advocate for “right of return” meaning massive Arab migration to Israel think it will be good or bad for the Jews there. Same for the advocates of obviously Jew-hating Muslim hordes.

    I find trying to put myself into the head of people who think the Africanization/Islamification of the Europe and America to be a good thing impossible. Likewise, I can’t comprehend the race/IQ egalitarians. It is tempting to think they are all acting in bad faith and don’t really believe it, but I don’t see much evidence of this.

    Replies: @Svigor, @megabar, @Desiderius, @Mr. Anon

  6. @Lot
    White liberals in 2001 were nearly as patriotic as conservatives, but not anymore.

    https://twitter.com/ZachG932/status/1126240499805949952

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Mr. Anon

    Unclear my ass.

    President Soetoro happened.

    • Replies: @Escher
    @Desiderius

    Why leave out GWB, who set the middle east on fire, and laid the foundation for the Great Financial crisis.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  7. Maybe the smart thing to do would be to stop talking about privilege so much and change the subject entirely. Let’s have a conversation about [insert some unrelated identity] instead.

  8. Lot says:
    @Desiderius
    @Lot

    How big do you imagine the Jewish Megaphone is these days? Is your theory that those people don’t care what is good for the Jews?

    Because they sure as hell like to talk about white privilege.

    Replies: @Lot

    “How big do you imagine the Jewish Megaphone is these days?”

    I don’t think there is a single unified Jewish view on American race issues. Rather, they fall into the same basic four camps that probably 99% of other Americans do which I’d label hard left, center left, center right, hard right.

    Hard left is what you see in academia and race activists, center left is a what you see in most older white democrats and coastal elites, center right is mushy Republicans, most older independents, and most middle American elites, hard right are the views of activist conservatives and the small slice of HBD aware elites.

    Jews are disproportionately visible in every single group.

    “Is your theory that those people don’t care what is good for the Jews?”

    Conservatives and moderates care, the hard left Jews in general see Jews as a slightly less bad type of white.

    I don’t know if the ones who advocate for “right of return” meaning massive Arab migration to Israel think it will be good or bad for the Jews there. Same for the advocates of obviously Jew-hating Muslim hordes.

    I find trying to put myself into the head of people who think the Africanization/Islamification of the Europe and America to be a good thing impossible. Likewise, I can’t comprehend the race/IQ egalitarians. It is tempting to think they are all acting in bad faith and don’t really believe it, but I don’t see much evidence of this.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @Lot

    What a crock of shit. Anybody pays attention knows better than this. I suppose you might be shoring up squishy types who really don't want to pull their heads from the sand..


    It is tempting to think they are all acting in bad faith and don’t really believe it, but I don’t see much evidence of this.
     
    Tons of them don't. They don't act like they believe it. How often do they accidentally move into black neighborhoods? Put their kids into black schools? Walk down alleys in black neighborhoods after dark? Assume blacks are competent? Feel no fear when approached by blacks late night at the gas pump? Etc., etc., etc.?

    There wasn't much evidence that hatred of the Soviet regime was widespread. Because it could get you gulaged. Yet it was pretty obvious, except to those holding up spergy fig-leaves...

    , @megabar
    @Lot

    > Likewise, I can’t comprehend the race/IQ egalitarians.

    I was a race/IQ egalitarian a few years ago. I don't claim that my story is the same as others', but for me it was a combination of (a) uncritically accepting the mainstream position because I had no need to do otherwise; (b) not being exposed to hard data that raises questions, (c) observing that people who publicly admitted to not being egalitarians were typically pretty unsavory, (d) assuming, as most people do, that ultimately other people, including those of other races, are basically like myself.

    There was no self-delusion, or bad-faith virtue signaling. The incredible focus on inequality is what finally got me to consider the topic, because what I heard the progressives say was simply not congruent with the world that I observed. And once I looked into it with an open mind, it seemed that the evidence was pretty one-sided.

    Replies: @Lot, @notanon

    , @Desiderius
    @Lot

    People don’t figure it out until they have a reason to figure it out, which is a nicer way of saying that their behavior is a lot more self-interested than you’re giving them discredit for.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Lot


    I don’t think there is a single unified Jewish view on American race issues. Rather, they fall into the same basic four camps that probably 99% of other Americans do which I’d label hard left, center left, center right, hard right.

    Hard left is what you see in academia and race activists, center left is a what you see in most older white democrats and coastal elites, center right is mushy Republicans, most older independents, and most middle American elites, hard right are the views of activist conservatives and the small slice of HBD aware elites.

    Jews are disproportionately visible in every single group.
     
    But they disproportionately gravitate to the two left groups, don't they? 70% of them vote for the Democratic Party - the Party with the left position on immigration, and getting harder left by the day. And among those who are, for want of a better term, "opinion leaders" - pundits, politicians, government officials, etc., - even right leaning Jews seem to favor immigration. There are exceptions to that certainly, but relatively few, and even those seem to have little influence.

    The numbers argue against your contention.

    Replies: @Lot

  9. Usually the loudest finger pointers are hoping it means the mob overlooks themselves.

  10. That’s what censorship is for, goy!

    Seriously, “Jewish Privilege” is a knockout counterpunch here. So, a great example of why (((control of the narrative))) is an existential issue.

  11. @Lot
    “Is today’s incessant media discourse about “privilege” really as good for the Jews as many Jewish media personalities tend to assume? ”

    What’s the evidence that Jews who talk about “white privilege” think doing so is good for Jews?

    As best as I can tell, the American SJW party line is Jews are awful white people, just not as bad as Anglo-Saxons or Germans. And the Euroweenie version is Israel is as bad as apartheid South Africa and maybe a little better than Nazi Germany, and certainly worse than China which is never a target of their boycott campaigns.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Svigor, @neutral, @reiner Tor, @notanon, @SFG

    The fact that “Is It Good For The Jews” obviously informs everything that the preponderance of prominent Jews do. Why would this be an exception?

    Then there’s all the evidence that Jews think keeping Whitey under their boots and empowering multicult is how to combat “anti-semitism” and huwhite nationalism.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Svigor

    “The fact that “Is It Good For The Jews” obviously informs everything that the preponderance of prominent Jews do.”

    Do a “preponderance of Jews” push the idea of “white privilege”? Doesn’t seem to be the case to me.

    Replies: @Svigor

    , @Michael S
    @Svigor

    Liberal Jews care about liberalism, not Judaism. It's actually the Jewish neoconservatives, like Ben Shapiro and Bill Kristol, who appear to agitate for what's best for Jews at the expense of everyone else. And they're pathetic and have no real influence anymore.

    The liberals and leftists will use their Jewish ancestry as a kind of race card when it's convenient, but we all know that leftists are opportunistic by nature and don't actually have any real principles. So why assume that the reprehensible Jewish leftists in the media and universities, who almost invariably agitate in favor of BDS and against Israeli sovereignty, are doing any differently when they play that card?

    When progressive WASPs go on endlessly about white privilege and whatnot, are they doing it because it's good for whites... or good for progressives?

    This is such a bizarre blind spot for so many supposed rightists to have. It's essentially Marxism. Yes, it's absolutely true that Jews tilt heavily left as a democratic and are the most extreme group on some specific issues like abortion and porn. But aside from those specific issues, they behave like basically every other market dominant minority including the Chinese and Tamil Brahmins.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Digital Samizdat

  12. @Lot
    @Desiderius

    “How big do you imagine the Jewish Megaphone is these days?”

    I don’t think there is a single unified Jewish view on American race issues. Rather, they fall into the same basic four camps that probably 99% of other Americans do which I’d label hard left, center left, center right, hard right.

    Hard left is what you see in academia and race activists, center left is a what you see in most older white democrats and coastal elites, center right is mushy Republicans, most older independents, and most middle American elites, hard right are the views of activist conservatives and the small slice of HBD aware elites.

    Jews are disproportionately visible in every single group.

    “Is your theory that those people don’t care what is good for the Jews?”

    Conservatives and moderates care, the hard left Jews in general see Jews as a slightly less bad type of white.

    I don’t know if the ones who advocate for “right of return” meaning massive Arab migration to Israel think it will be good or bad for the Jews there. Same for the advocates of obviously Jew-hating Muslim hordes.

    I find trying to put myself into the head of people who think the Africanization/Islamification of the Europe and America to be a good thing impossible. Likewise, I can’t comprehend the race/IQ egalitarians. It is tempting to think they are all acting in bad faith and don’t really believe it, but I don’t see much evidence of this.

    Replies: @Svigor, @megabar, @Desiderius, @Mr. Anon

    What a crock of shit. Anybody pays attention knows better than this. I suppose you might be shoring up squishy types who really don’t want to pull their heads from the sand..

    It is tempting to think they are all acting in bad faith and don’t really believe it, but I don’t see much evidence of this.

    Tons of them don’t. They don’t act like they believe it. How often do they accidentally move into black neighborhoods? Put their kids into black schools? Walk down alleys in black neighborhoods after dark? Assume blacks are competent? Feel no fear when approached by blacks late night at the gas pump? Etc., etc., etc.?

    There wasn’t much evidence that hatred of the Soviet regime was widespread. Because it could get you gulaged. Yet it was pretty obvious, except to those holding up spergy fig-leaves…

  13. There are literally no whites with extensive experience with blacks who genuinely believe in racial cognitive equality. They have been just as well-taught not to talk honestly about the matter.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Svigor

    OK champ, you tell me what is going through the minds of the 80% of Swedes who, in the privacy of the voting booth, vote for pro-Somali-migration parties when there is a perfectly tame anti-migration alternative.

    Or the vast majority of French who voted for Macron over Le Pen, who were both basically squishy centrists on economic issues? That was especially depressing because she did a good job of breaking the “nationalism + globocapitalism” package deal we are mostly stuck with in the USA that I can understand rejecting given the awfulness of the latter.

    I learned and accepted a long time ago that my basically statistical way of seeing the world isn’t that common, and it is hard to get into the heads of people who think differently. My type is a lot smarter on average, but the other types include plenty of smart people too, and they are just as morally good in their intentions.

    I am not much of an optimist but your world seemingly full of malevolent Jews and allied elites with nearly complete control over the blind and dumb masses is a whole lot worse.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @HammerJack, @Marty T

  14. On a more philosophical level, there is literally no one who believes in racial cognitive equality, period. Some stupid people with experience with blacks do, but they’re too stupid to think critically, so their belief isn’t genuine. They’re just regurgitating orders. Some smart people without experience with blacks do, but they’re ignorant of the subject matter, so their belief isn’t genuine. They’re just regurgitating orders. Then there are the scads of people who are just dishonest.

    Some of you guys should try spending time outside a blue state. Get pretty much any southern white guy to trust you, have a few drinks, and bam, out it comes.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @Svigor

    And a lot of blacks don't believe it either (cognitive equality of the races). W.E.B. duBois didn't believe it - that's why he invented the phrase "the talented tenth" (that is of black folks) to designate the percentage of blacks whose IQ was north of 100.

    , @jbwilson24
    @Svigor

    "On a more philosophical level, there is literally no one who believes in racial cognitive equality, period.... Get pretty much any southern white guy to trust you, have a few drinks, and bam, out it comes."

    Better yet, get to know Chinese people really well and you'll find out what they think of blacks, Indians, whites, etc. Asians definitely do not believe in the whole 'we are all equal' business.

  15. @Svigor
    @Lot

    The fact that "Is It Good For The Jews" obviously informs everything that the preponderance of prominent Jews do. Why would this be an exception?

    Then there's all the evidence that Jews think keeping Whitey under their boots and empowering multicult is how to combat "anti-semitism" and huwhite nationalism.

    Replies: @Lot, @Michael S

    “The fact that “Is It Good For The Jews” obviously informs everything that the preponderance of prominent Jews do.”

    Do a “preponderance of Jews” push the idea of “white privilege”? Doesn’t seem to be the case to me.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @Lot

    A preponderance of the idea-pushing Jews do, yes. The next Jew who countersignals them might be the first. Maybe the second. Put another way, the ratio of Jews who push the "White Privilege" narrative to Jews who push against it is roughly infinity.

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2wevqtj&s=9#.XJ2lqZhKg_k

  16. @Lot
    @Desiderius

    “How big do you imagine the Jewish Megaphone is these days?”

    I don’t think there is a single unified Jewish view on American race issues. Rather, they fall into the same basic four camps that probably 99% of other Americans do which I’d label hard left, center left, center right, hard right.

    Hard left is what you see in academia and race activists, center left is a what you see in most older white democrats and coastal elites, center right is mushy Republicans, most older independents, and most middle American elites, hard right are the views of activist conservatives and the small slice of HBD aware elites.

    Jews are disproportionately visible in every single group.

    “Is your theory that those people don’t care what is good for the Jews?”

    Conservatives and moderates care, the hard left Jews in general see Jews as a slightly less bad type of white.

    I don’t know if the ones who advocate for “right of return” meaning massive Arab migration to Israel think it will be good or bad for the Jews there. Same for the advocates of obviously Jew-hating Muslim hordes.

    I find trying to put myself into the head of people who think the Africanization/Islamification of the Europe and America to be a good thing impossible. Likewise, I can’t comprehend the race/IQ egalitarians. It is tempting to think they are all acting in bad faith and don’t really believe it, but I don’t see much evidence of this.

    Replies: @Svigor, @megabar, @Desiderius, @Mr. Anon

    > Likewise, I can’t comprehend the race/IQ egalitarians.

    I was a race/IQ egalitarian a few years ago. I don’t claim that my story is the same as others’, but for me it was a combination of (a) uncritically accepting the mainstream position because I had no need to do otherwise; (b) not being exposed to hard data that raises questions, (c) observing that people who publicly admitted to not being egalitarians were typically pretty unsavory, (d) assuming, as most people do, that ultimately other people, including those of other races, are basically like myself.

    There was no self-delusion, or bad-faith virtue signaling. The incredible focus on inequality is what finally got me to consider the topic, because what I heard the progressives say was simply not congruent with the world that I observed. And once I looked into it with an open mind, it seemed that the evidence was pretty one-sided.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @megabar

    Thank you, well said. I think this is basically it for most people.

    Wishful thinking can be stronger than a whole lot of empirical evidence.

    , @notanon
    @megabar


    (d) assuming, as most people do, that ultimately other people, including those of other races, are basically like myself.
     
    huge part of it imo

    (hence the absolute necessity for the media to filter the news to keep people gas-lighted till it's too late)
  17. @BigDickNick
    Jews are very smart people except when it comes to one subject: themselves. again and again the vast majority of jews seem incapable of objectively evaluating how they appear to others.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Svigor, @notanon, @Anonymouse, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    What’s really amazing is when you’ve observed Jewish culture long enough that the flowchart* starts to come into view. You realize that their entire culture is set up to relieve Jews of the burden of self-evaluation.

    *You know, the Jewish playbook on deflecting blame. “Did the goy imply Jews are a race?” -arrow- “pretend Jewry is a religion.” “Did the goy criticize a devoted Jew who had a non-Jewish mother” -arrow- “No True Scotsman.” Etc. I should draw that up some day. I know an awful lot of the arrows ultimately lead to “You have proven the goy an antisemite. You must now dismiss everything he said and walk away.”

    • Agree: utu
    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @Svigor

    >You realize that their entire culture is set up to relieve Jews of the burden of self-evaluation.

    You should write a book explaining that proposition or at least an extended think-piece. Imagine the curriculum that would convey that message. Hey, Hymie, stop thinking about how you look in the mirror, how you look to Becky the blonde, how you look in the world. How you fail to far bella figura. It says so in the Talmud: do not evaluate yourself, ever! And you, goy Svigor, you sussed that out. Apparently, you are a god-gifted seer (of the impossible) or just another Unz.com bigot.

  18. @Lot
    @Svigor

    “The fact that “Is It Good For The Jews” obviously informs everything that the preponderance of prominent Jews do.”

    Do a “preponderance of Jews” push the idea of “white privilege”? Doesn’t seem to be the case to me.

    Replies: @Svigor

    A preponderance of the idea-pushing Jews do, yes. The next Jew who countersignals them might be the first. Maybe the second. Put another way, the ratio of Jews who push the “White Privilege” narrative to Jews who push against it is roughly infinity.

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2wevqtj&s=9#.XJ2lqZhKg_k

  19. Lot says:
    @Svigor
    There are literally no whites with extensive experience with blacks who genuinely believe in racial cognitive equality. They have been just as well-taught not to talk honestly about the matter.

    Replies: @Lot

    OK champ, you tell me what is going through the minds of the 80% of Swedes who, in the privacy of the voting booth, vote for pro-Somali-migration parties when there is a perfectly tame anti-migration alternative.

    Or the vast majority of French who voted for Macron over Le Pen, who were both basically squishy centrists on economic issues? That was especially depressing because she did a good job of breaking the “nationalism + globocapitalism” package deal we are mostly stuck with in the USA that I can understand rejecting given the awfulness of the latter.

    I learned and accepted a long time ago that my basically statistical way of seeing the world isn’t that common, and it is hard to get into the heads of people who think differently. My type is a lot smarter on average, but the other types include plenty of smart people too, and they are just as morally good in their intentions.

    I am not much of an optimist but your world seemingly full of malevolent Jews and allied elites with nearly complete control over the blind and dumb masses is a whole lot worse.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Lot

    >Sweden is not an example of a malevolent overclass brainwashing the populace at large
    Okay. Very Karl Rove, Sweden's probably the clearest example, it's literally one (1) family.
    >there are non-Jews who support globalism
    There's Mexicans who love the SS, one was my roommate once. If nobody needed to be deceived, our mass media landscape would look completely different. Maybe part of the reason you're so unique is it is literally illegal to try to talk about these things in most of these places.

    Replies: @jbwilson24

    , @HammerJack
    @Lot

    Sweden and France are both great examples of societies afflicted with pernicious mass-media influences, whose overarching goal appears to be the destruction of those societies and their replacement with polyglot third-world tribes forever at one another's throats. All ruled over by a tiny tribal elite. What was your point again?

    , @Marty T
    @Lot

    Yeah I mean this is where the "Jews are the root of all evil" crowd has no argument. Sweden has almost no Jews and it's just about the most anti white, leftist country there is.

  20. @megabar
    @Lot

    > Likewise, I can’t comprehend the race/IQ egalitarians.

    I was a race/IQ egalitarian a few years ago. I don't claim that my story is the same as others', but for me it was a combination of (a) uncritically accepting the mainstream position because I had no need to do otherwise; (b) not being exposed to hard data that raises questions, (c) observing that people who publicly admitted to not being egalitarians were typically pretty unsavory, (d) assuming, as most people do, that ultimately other people, including those of other races, are basically like myself.

    There was no self-delusion, or bad-faith virtue signaling. The incredible focus on inequality is what finally got me to consider the topic, because what I heard the progressives say was simply not congruent with the world that I observed. And once I looked into it with an open mind, it seemed that the evidence was pretty one-sided.

    Replies: @Lot, @notanon

    Thank you, well said. I think this is basically it for most people.

    Wishful thinking can be stronger than a whole lot of empirical evidence.

  21. it might be the other way round – constantly screeching about white privilege might be the only thing holding it back.

  22. @megabar
    @Lot

    > Likewise, I can’t comprehend the race/IQ egalitarians.

    I was a race/IQ egalitarian a few years ago. I don't claim that my story is the same as others', but for me it was a combination of (a) uncritically accepting the mainstream position because I had no need to do otherwise; (b) not being exposed to hard data that raises questions, (c) observing that people who publicly admitted to not being egalitarians were typically pretty unsavory, (d) assuming, as most people do, that ultimately other people, including those of other races, are basically like myself.

    There was no self-delusion, or bad-faith virtue signaling. The incredible focus on inequality is what finally got me to consider the topic, because what I heard the progressives say was simply not congruent with the world that I observed. And once I looked into it with an open mind, it seemed that the evidence was pretty one-sided.

    Replies: @Lot, @notanon

    (d) assuming, as most people do, that ultimately other people, including those of other races, are basically like myself.

    huge part of it imo

    (hence the absolute necessity for the media to filter the news to keep people gas-lighted till it’s too late)

  23. J.Ross says: • Website

    Nonwhite people do hate Jews, but never in the bizarre Byzantine ways Jews ritually pretend to be an essential part of it, and they either keep their mouths shut or stick to a less commonly taught language. Surrounded by jealous enemies waiting for the right moment, Jews have decided that all focus should be put on the one group of people who could be accused of worshipping them. The future is the Island of Dr Moreau.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @J.Ross

    "You all ate [the White man's] flesh, you all became Gods. But who is God number one?"

    Replies: @SFG

  24. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot
    @Svigor

    OK champ, you tell me what is going through the minds of the 80% of Swedes who, in the privacy of the voting booth, vote for pro-Somali-migration parties when there is a perfectly tame anti-migration alternative.

    Or the vast majority of French who voted for Macron over Le Pen, who were both basically squishy centrists on economic issues? That was especially depressing because she did a good job of breaking the “nationalism + globocapitalism” package deal we are mostly stuck with in the USA that I can understand rejecting given the awfulness of the latter.

    I learned and accepted a long time ago that my basically statistical way of seeing the world isn’t that common, and it is hard to get into the heads of people who think differently. My type is a lot smarter on average, but the other types include plenty of smart people too, and they are just as morally good in their intentions.

    I am not much of an optimist but your world seemingly full of malevolent Jews and allied elites with nearly complete control over the blind and dumb masses is a whole lot worse.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @HammerJack, @Marty T

    >Sweden is not an example of a malevolent overclass brainwashing the populace at large
    Okay. Very Karl Rove, Sweden’s probably the clearest example, it’s literally one (1) family.
    >there are non-Jews who support globalism
    There’s Mexicans who love the SS, one was my roommate once. If nobody needed to be deceived, our mass media landscape would look completely different. Maybe part of the reason you’re so unique is it is literally illegal to try to talk about these things in most of these places.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
    @J.Ross

    Agreed. Sweden is a particularly bad counter-example to propose, given that 95% of the Swedish media is in Jewish hands. The Bonniers, Aschbergs and others have a lock on funding to an extent that there are almost no opposing viewpoints.

    Have we forgotten this incident?

    https://www.thelocal.se/20161006/swedish-nationalist-accused-of-anti-semitism-bonnier

    All it took was a lady pointing out that one ethnic group controls much of the media, and the cries of 'anti-semitism' were raised. Rather odd that her critics confirmed who really owns the media, yet managed to paint her as a conspiracy theorist whose facts were wrong.

    Replies: @Lot

  25. @BigDickNick
    Jews are very smart people except when it comes to one subject: themselves. again and again the vast majority of jews seem incapable of objectively evaluating how they appear to others.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Svigor, @notanon, @Anonymouse, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    if a population lives as a minority without a homeland imo the only two long term options are:

    1) assimilate and disappear

    or

    2) develop genetic or cultural traits which prevent assimilation.

    provoking anti-semitism prevents assimilation.

    evolution innit – reminds me of plants growing barbs to stop themselves being eaten.

    stepping back and looking at it objectively just as a hbd phenomenon it’s pretty fascinating.

  26. Interesting color scheme.

    Jews are olive– as in military? Or Mediterranean cuisine?

    Whites are Burgundy; women, menstrual; Hispanics tortilla-colored; Christians gold; Mohammedans turquoise, i.e, “Turkish”; and LGBT, dirty Sanchez brown.

    • Replies: @bored identity
    @Reg Cæsar

    bored identity strongly believes that olive green is just another freshly OKeyed White Paper.

    More Kalamata-American calamities to be expected.

  27. @Svigor
    @Lot

    The fact that "Is It Good For The Jews" obviously informs everything that the preponderance of prominent Jews do. Why would this be an exception?

    Then there's all the evidence that Jews think keeping Whitey under their boots and empowering multicult is how to combat "anti-semitism" and huwhite nationalism.

    Replies: @Lot, @Michael S

    Liberal Jews care about liberalism, not Judaism. It’s actually the Jewish neoconservatives, like Ben Shapiro and Bill Kristol, who appear to agitate for what’s best for Jews at the expense of everyone else. And they’re pathetic and have no real influence anymore.

    The liberals and leftists will use their Jewish ancestry as a kind of race card when it’s convenient, but we all know that leftists are opportunistic by nature and don’t actually have any real principles. So why assume that the reprehensible Jewish leftists in the media and universities, who almost invariably agitate in favor of BDS and against Israeli sovereignty, are doing any differently when they play that card?

    When progressive WASPs go on endlessly about white privilege and whatnot, are they doing it because it’s good for whites… or good for progressives?

    This is such a bizarre blind spot for so many supposed rightists to have. It’s essentially Marxism. Yes, it’s absolutely true that Jews tilt heavily left as a democratic and are the most extreme group on some specific issues like abortion and porn. But aside from those specific issues, they behave like basically every other market dominant minority including the Chinese and Tamil Brahmins.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Michael S


    Liberal Jews care about liberalism, not Judaism. It’s actually the Jewish neoconservatives, like Ben Shapiro and Bill Kristol, who appear to agitate for what’s best for Jews at the expense of everyone else. And they’re pathetic and have no real influence anymore.
     
    Liberalism? So they're for free trade? Is it possible that the effective goals of this "liberalism" are still stuff kaffeeklatsches decided would be good for me whether I agree or not? Is it possible that these "alternatives" are really just different evolutionary stages (and opinions) of WGFTJ?
    , @Digital Samizdat
    @Michael S


    Liberal Jews care about liberalism, not Judaism.
     
    Modern, Western 'liberalism' basically is a Jewish construct anyway. And please don't make the mistake of confusing Jewishness with Judaism; the former can now exist apart from the latter (and has for a long time now).

    It’s actually the Jewish neoconservatives, like Ben Shapiro and Bill Kristol, who appear to agitate for what’s best for Jews at the expense of everyone else.
     
    Well no, not overtly. Bill Kristol--like most of the neocons--would claim that all his wars in the ME were for the purpose of 'democracy promotion'. He would become quite indignant if you were to publicly suggest to him that maybe--must maybe!--they were for the benefit of Israel. And isn't Kristol--like so many of his neocon brethren--in favor of open borders? According to him and his kind, isn't America just some 'propositional nation' with no right to exclude anybody anywhere who wants in the club?

    Replies: @Anonymouse

  28. Obviously, many of the people polled know little about how welfare and progressive tax policies add hundreds of dollars per month and up to $6,431 per year to the earned income of many single and womb-privileged mommas who don’t work hard, thereby staying under the earned-income limits for the programs.

    They also don’t seem to know that women with ample spousal income often use their gender to land a job while using their womb productivity to retain that job despite frequent and protracted absenteeism, holding onto that voted-best-for-moms job where moms watch each other’s backs while taking off a ton of time beyond PTO and preggie leave.

    The red bar should be the highest of all.

  29. What’s surprising (for me, at least) is that “Muslims” are rated the lowest on the privilege hierarchy. Despite that being being a Muslim isn’t a racial/ethnic category at all. It’s almost absurd— there are muslims of Mediterranean heritage, “Aryan” (i.e., Iranian) heritage, and Southeast Asian heritage. And yet… people think these are all the same ethnic group?

    The ignorance of liberals and the MSM at large never fails to astound me. Do they not realize that Islam is an evangelical religion, or do they want that fact buried? How absurdist would it be to lump all Christians together as an ethnic/racial category? Religion isn’t some magical glue that erases pre-existing animuses.

    I’ll add that Jews and Arabs share more common heritage than anyone is willing to admit. Not to go OT, but the Israeli and Palestinian fight is just a modern version of ancient tribal warfare.

    I find this to be highly amusing.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @al-Gharaniq

    Your conclusion in the third paragraph is correct. I have had several Maghrebi Muslims admit as much to me.

    The saddest fact is how the rest of the world has been dragged into their endless tribal conflict.

    , @Travis
    @al-Gharaniq

    it is strange that leftists seem to support muslims when muslims are extreme conservatives on important social issues for the left, like feminism and gay rights.

    leftists seem to have a real fear of conservative Christians obtaining power, and attack and mock christians for their beliefs. Yet these same people never mock muslims or fear what will occur when muslims become a majority in Germany and France.

    I recall talking to a leftist friend and telling him I supported Trump's ban on muslims and he thought it was a bad idea because a muslim friend of ours was a doctor. This muslim friend of ours was not a practicing muslim, his parents were immigrants and strict muslims but he was very Americanized. Thus leftists often point to the exceptions to justify why we should allow muslims into America. When I pointed out that most muslims strongly oppose jews, feminism, gay rights, he actually agreed, but thinks their children will become more like typical Americans like our friend. Our muslim friend was strongly opposed to Israel , which was one thing he had in common with my leftist friend.

    another interesting conversation I had with the same friend..he moved after having his first child back in 2015. When I asked him why he moved he said it was because the schools had gotten bad because so many hispanics had moved into his town, thus he moved to a town which is 95% white. Yet he opposes building a wall. Interesting that he admitted the reason he moved, but this was before the Trump campaign and I suspect he would not have been as honest about his move today. But it demonstrates that leftists spend significant resources to avoid exposure hispanics and Blacks but avoid seeing the potential problems we will face when only the wealthy can escape bad school districts. Recently he complained that his town was too white, because just 1% of the students at his daughters school is black. very hard to understand his logic. They pretend they want to live in a diverse town , but flee towns which are less than 60% white. Yet the demographics of American school children is currently just 50% white. So a truly representative school district is too "diverse" yet they do not oppose allowing millions of diverse people to migrate into our nation each year.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @dfordoom

  30. @Desiderius
    @Lot

    Unclear my ass.

    President Soetoro happened.

    Replies: @Escher

    Why leave out GWB, who set the middle east on fire, and laid the foundation for the Great Financial crisis.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Escher

    Because he wasn’t ashamed to be American.

  31. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Michael S
    @Svigor

    Liberal Jews care about liberalism, not Judaism. It's actually the Jewish neoconservatives, like Ben Shapiro and Bill Kristol, who appear to agitate for what's best for Jews at the expense of everyone else. And they're pathetic and have no real influence anymore.

    The liberals and leftists will use their Jewish ancestry as a kind of race card when it's convenient, but we all know that leftists are opportunistic by nature and don't actually have any real principles. So why assume that the reprehensible Jewish leftists in the media and universities, who almost invariably agitate in favor of BDS and against Israeli sovereignty, are doing any differently when they play that card?

    When progressive WASPs go on endlessly about white privilege and whatnot, are they doing it because it's good for whites... or good for progressives?

    This is such a bizarre blind spot for so many supposed rightists to have. It's essentially Marxism. Yes, it's absolutely true that Jews tilt heavily left as a democratic and are the most extreme group on some specific issues like abortion and porn. But aside from those specific issues, they behave like basically every other market dominant minority including the Chinese and Tamil Brahmins.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Digital Samizdat

    Liberal Jews care about liberalism, not Judaism. It’s actually the Jewish neoconservatives, like Ben Shapiro and Bill Kristol, who appear to agitate for what’s best for Jews at the expense of everyone else. And they’re pathetic and have no real influence anymore.

    Liberalism? So they’re for free trade? Is it possible that the effective goals of this “liberalism” are still stuff kaffeeklatsches decided would be good for me whether I agree or not? Is it possible that these “alternatives” are really just different evolutionary stages (and opinions) of WGFTJ?

  32. @Michael S
    @Svigor

    Liberal Jews care about liberalism, not Judaism. It's actually the Jewish neoconservatives, like Ben Shapiro and Bill Kristol, who appear to agitate for what's best for Jews at the expense of everyone else. And they're pathetic and have no real influence anymore.

    The liberals and leftists will use their Jewish ancestry as a kind of race card when it's convenient, but we all know that leftists are opportunistic by nature and don't actually have any real principles. So why assume that the reprehensible Jewish leftists in the media and universities, who almost invariably agitate in favor of BDS and against Israeli sovereignty, are doing any differently when they play that card?

    When progressive WASPs go on endlessly about white privilege and whatnot, are they doing it because it's good for whites... or good for progressives?

    This is such a bizarre blind spot for so many supposed rightists to have. It's essentially Marxism. Yes, it's absolutely true that Jews tilt heavily left as a democratic and are the most extreme group on some specific issues like abortion and porn. But aside from those specific issues, they behave like basically every other market dominant minority including the Chinese and Tamil Brahmins.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Digital Samizdat

    Liberal Jews care about liberalism, not Judaism.

    Modern, Western ‘liberalism’ basically is a Jewish construct anyway. And please don’t make the mistake of confusing Jewishness with Judaism; the former can now exist apart from the latter (and has for a long time now).

    It’s actually the Jewish neoconservatives, like Ben Shapiro and Bill Kristol, who appear to agitate for what’s best for Jews at the expense of everyone else.

    Well no, not overtly. Bill Kristol–like most of the neocons–would claim that all his wars in the ME were for the purpose of ‘democracy promotion’. He would become quite indignant if you were to publicly suggest to him that maybe–must maybe!–they were for the benefit of Israel. And isn’t Kristol–like so many of his neocon brethren–in favor of open borders? According to him and his kind, isn’t America just some ‘propositional nation’ with no right to exclude anybody anywhere who wants in the club?

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @Digital Samizdat

    >Modern, Western ‘liberalism’ basically is a Jewish construct anyway.

    Constructs are structures of thought. They don't possess nationality.

  33. @Lot
    “Is today’s incessant media discourse about “privilege” really as good for the Jews as many Jewish media personalities tend to assume? ”

    What’s the evidence that Jews who talk about “white privilege” think doing so is good for Jews?

    As best as I can tell, the American SJW party line is Jews are awful white people, just not as bad as Anglo-Saxons or Germans. And the Euroweenie version is Israel is as bad as apartheid South Africa and maybe a little better than Nazi Germany, and certainly worse than China which is never a target of their boycott campaigns.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Svigor, @neutral, @reiner Tor, @notanon, @SFG

    What’s the evidence

    Look at the ownership of the mass media, look at senior level jobs in academia, that is plenty and indisputable evidence right there.

  34. @Escher
    @Desiderius

    Why leave out GWB, who set the middle east on fire, and laid the foundation for the Great Financial crisis.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Because he wasn’t ashamed to be American.

  35. @Lot
    @Desiderius

    “How big do you imagine the Jewish Megaphone is these days?”

    I don’t think there is a single unified Jewish view on American race issues. Rather, they fall into the same basic four camps that probably 99% of other Americans do which I’d label hard left, center left, center right, hard right.

    Hard left is what you see in academia and race activists, center left is a what you see in most older white democrats and coastal elites, center right is mushy Republicans, most older independents, and most middle American elites, hard right are the views of activist conservatives and the small slice of HBD aware elites.

    Jews are disproportionately visible in every single group.

    “Is your theory that those people don’t care what is good for the Jews?”

    Conservatives and moderates care, the hard left Jews in general see Jews as a slightly less bad type of white.

    I don’t know if the ones who advocate for “right of return” meaning massive Arab migration to Israel think it will be good or bad for the Jews there. Same for the advocates of obviously Jew-hating Muslim hordes.

    I find trying to put myself into the head of people who think the Africanization/Islamification of the Europe and America to be a good thing impossible. Likewise, I can’t comprehend the race/IQ egalitarians. It is tempting to think they are all acting in bad faith and don’t really believe it, but I don’t see much evidence of this.

    Replies: @Svigor, @megabar, @Desiderius, @Mr. Anon

    People don’t figure it out until they have a reason to figure it out, which is a nicer way of saying that their behavior is a lot more self-interested than you’re giving them discredit for.

  36. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    At this point it seems appropriate bring up a recent item in Tablet, the online Jewish magazine:

    Why Canada’s Jews Are Better

    The story summarizes a recent study of Canadian Jews that was the brainchild of (respectively), an endowed professor of sociology at Canada’s largest university, president of Canada’s second largest university, and a former executive of one of Canada’s largest polling companies(they all belong to the same reconstructionist!? synagogue).

    What’s interesting is the collection of things that the writer and study authors seem to think indicates better Jews/healthier Judaism. They include:

    -Lower rates in intermarriage(~80% of Canadian Jews marry other Jews, the vast majority of whom are Jewish in the religious sense)
    -80% of Canadian Jews have donated to specifically Jewish causes.
    -79% described themselves as very attached or somewhat attached to Israel(48% and 38% respectively vs 39 and 31% for their American cousins)
    -79% had been to Israel at least once(almost twice the percentage of American Jews). Over a third had been at least three times.
    -43% had attended a full time Jewish day school vs 23% for American Jews
    -57% of Canadian Jews say that all or most(9%, 48%) of their friends are Jewish(vs 32% of American Jews). Keep in mind that no Canadian municipality is over 16% Jewish by population.

    I can’t help but wonder what the reaction would be if a goyish writer in a mainstream newspaper were to enumerate these facts for general consumption and imply that these were manifestation of stronger Judaism.

    It also raises certain questions about the long-term viability of multiculturalism. After a 70+ year absence of much institutional anti-semitism, a worryingly large chunk of Jews(of whom 71% speak are second generation or later) want to isolate themselves socially, donate to causes that benefit their particular ethnic/religious group, and keep their children from having too much contact with outsiders during their formative years(well except maybe their Filipina nannies).

    If western societies at large are supposed to be totally cool with this, then how can they criticize Mexicans, Indians and Chinese for doing the same thing? Especially when they cry bloody murder whenever a white gentile shows a small fraction of that ethnocentricity?

    Interestingly this most recent survey indicates that slightly more Canadian Jews support Trudeau’s Liberals than the Conservatives(36% vs 32%). No wonder Jason Kenney left federal politics.

    That being said, I do have some concerns about the survey’s methodology. One question directed at Winnipeg Jews found that only a third had considered moving away from the Manitoba capital, which is clearly wrong. The correct number is 100%.

  37. @Lot
    “Is today’s incessant media discourse about “privilege” really as good for the Jews as many Jewish media personalities tend to assume? ”

    What’s the evidence that Jews who talk about “white privilege” think doing so is good for Jews?

    As best as I can tell, the American SJW party line is Jews are awful white people, just not as bad as Anglo-Saxons or Germans. And the Euroweenie version is Israel is as bad as apartheid South Africa and maybe a little better than Nazi Germany, and certainly worse than China which is never a target of their boycott campaigns.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Svigor, @neutral, @reiner Tor, @notanon, @SFG

    What’s the evidence that Jews who talk about “white privilege” think doing so is good for Jews?

    Some of them explicitly say so, when arguing how “as Jews” they remember the Holocaust, which they cannot let happen again, and as a consequence they have to support refugees etc. Then the same people will talk about white privilege. Most people here assume that if someone explicitly uses the argument that “it’s good because it’s good for the Jews,” then the same person probably accepts the rest of the leftist package for much the same reasons. At least, it’s very likely that if someone uses the explicit argument in some cases, he must consider the issue to be important. So, Steve’s proposal that they might think about it for other issues, too, makes sense.

    the Euroweenie version is Israel is as bad as apartheid South Africa and maybe a little better than Nazi Germany, and certainly worse than China

    Because Europeans consider Israeli Jews to be just like them. Therefore, they apply all the leftist analysis on Israel. Since Israel is more nationalistic (healthier) than basically any other white countries (even compared to Russia, certainly more nationalistic than Hungary or Poland, not to mention any Western European or North American nation), the verdict is obvious.

    The big question is why this verdict is not applied by all leftists: why is Chuck Schumer supporting Israel? Does he not consider Israeli Jews to be white? Someone who identifies as Jewish and also supports the interests of the (explicitly) Jewish state would surely think about Jewish interests in general, wouldn’t he? He’s, basically, a Jewish nationalist. Nothing wrong with it: just don’t lie about it. Also, it’s pretty interesting that he’s a leftist, i.e. opposed to the nationalism of all whites except Jews.

    Do you think such people like Schumer are a minuscule minority among Jews?

  38. @Lot
    @Svigor

    OK champ, you tell me what is going through the minds of the 80% of Swedes who, in the privacy of the voting booth, vote for pro-Somali-migration parties when there is a perfectly tame anti-migration alternative.

    Or the vast majority of French who voted for Macron over Le Pen, who were both basically squishy centrists on economic issues? That was especially depressing because she did a good job of breaking the “nationalism + globocapitalism” package deal we are mostly stuck with in the USA that I can understand rejecting given the awfulness of the latter.

    I learned and accepted a long time ago that my basically statistical way of seeing the world isn’t that common, and it is hard to get into the heads of people who think differently. My type is a lot smarter on average, but the other types include plenty of smart people too, and they are just as morally good in their intentions.

    I am not much of an optimist but your world seemingly full of malevolent Jews and allied elites with nearly complete control over the blind and dumb masses is a whole lot worse.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @HammerJack, @Marty T

    Sweden and France are both great examples of societies afflicted with pernicious mass-media influences, whose overarching goal appears to be the destruction of those societies and their replacement with polyglot third-world tribes forever at one another’s throats. All ruled over by a tiny tribal elite. What was your point again?

  39. @al-Gharaniq
    What's surprising (for me, at least) is that "Muslims" are rated the lowest on the privilege hierarchy. Despite that being being a Muslim isn't a racial/ethnic category at all. It's almost absurd— there are muslims of Mediterranean heritage, "Aryan" (i.e., Iranian) heritage, and Southeast Asian heritage. And yet... people think these are all the same ethnic group?

    The ignorance of liberals and the MSM at large never fails to astound me. Do they not realize that Islam is an evangelical religion, or do they want that fact buried? How absurdist would it be to lump all Christians together as an ethnic/racial category? Religion isn't some magical glue that erases pre-existing animuses.

    I'll add that Jews and Arabs share more common heritage than anyone is willing to admit. Not to go OT, but the Israeli and Palestinian fight is just a modern version of ancient tribal warfare.

    I find this to be highly amusing.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Travis

    Your conclusion in the third paragraph is correct. I have had several Maghrebi Muslims admit as much to me.

    The saddest fact is how the rest of the world has been dragged into their endless tribal conflict.

  40. @Reg Cæsar
    Interesting color scheme.

    Jews are olive-- as in military? Or Mediterranean cuisine?

    Whites are Burgundy; women, menstrual; Hispanics tortilla-colored; Christians gold; Mohammedans turquoise, i.e, "Turkish"; and LGBT, dirty Sanchez brown.

    Replies: @bored identity

    bored identity strongly believes that olive green is just another freshly OKeyed White Paper.

    More Kalamata-American calamities to be expected.

  41. @al-Gharaniq
    What's surprising (for me, at least) is that "Muslims" are rated the lowest on the privilege hierarchy. Despite that being being a Muslim isn't a racial/ethnic category at all. It's almost absurd— there are muslims of Mediterranean heritage, "Aryan" (i.e., Iranian) heritage, and Southeast Asian heritage. And yet... people think these are all the same ethnic group?

    The ignorance of liberals and the MSM at large never fails to astound me. Do they not realize that Islam is an evangelical religion, or do they want that fact buried? How absurdist would it be to lump all Christians together as an ethnic/racial category? Religion isn't some magical glue that erases pre-existing animuses.

    I'll add that Jews and Arabs share more common heritage than anyone is willing to admit. Not to go OT, but the Israeli and Palestinian fight is just a modern version of ancient tribal warfare.

    I find this to be highly amusing.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Travis

    it is strange that leftists seem to support muslims when muslims are extreme conservatives on important social issues for the left, like feminism and gay rights.

    leftists seem to have a real fear of conservative Christians obtaining power, and attack and mock christians for their beliefs. Yet these same people never mock muslims or fear what will occur when muslims become a majority in Germany and France.

    I recall talking to a leftist friend and telling him I supported Trump’s ban on muslims and he thought it was a bad idea because a muslim friend of ours was a doctor. This muslim friend of ours was not a practicing muslim, his parents were immigrants and strict muslims but he was very Americanized. Thus leftists often point to the exceptions to justify why we should allow muslims into America. When I pointed out that most muslims strongly oppose jews, feminism, gay rights, he actually agreed, but thinks their children will become more like typical Americans like our friend. Our muslim friend was strongly opposed to Israel , which was one thing he had in common with my leftist friend.

    another interesting conversation I had with the same friend..he moved after having his first child back in 2015. When I asked him why he moved he said it was because the schools had gotten bad because so many hispanics had moved into his town, thus he moved to a town which is 95% white. Yet he opposes building a wall. Interesting that he admitted the reason he moved, but this was before the Trump campaign and I suspect he would not have been as honest about his move today. But it demonstrates that leftists spend significant resources to avoid exposure hispanics and Blacks but avoid seeing the potential problems we will face when only the wealthy can escape bad school districts. Recently he complained that his town was too white, because just 1% of the students at his daughters school is black. very hard to understand his logic. They pretend they want to live in a diverse town , but flee towns which are less than 60% white. Yet the demographics of American school children is currently just 50% white. So a truly representative school district is too “diverse” yet they do not oppose allowing millions of diverse people to migrate into our nation each year.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Travis


    another interesting conversation I had with the same friend..he moved after having his first child back in 2015. When I asked him why he moved he said it was because the schools had gotten bad because so many hispanics had moved into his town, thus he moved to a town which is 95% white.
     
    This jibes with my experiences that adult Leftists seem to love die-versity, yet they want their juicy, nubile teen daughters as far from its 'benefits' as possible.
    , @dfordoom
    @Travis


    When I pointed out that most muslims strongly oppose jews, feminism, gay rights, he actually agreed, but thinks their children will become more like typical Americans like our friend.
     
    Liberals believe that liberalism is unstoppable because liberalism is righteous and inevitable and on the right side of history. They believe that Muslims will all become good liberals. They honestly believe that all Muslims will end up supporting feminism and the entire LGBTwhatever agenda.

    If they don't, then liberalism will simply destroy Islam the way it destroyed Christianity. Liberals have no doubt that they will be able to do this as easily as they destroyed Christianity.

    They believe that importing Muslims (and importing non-whites) is basically importing future liberals.

    The survival of Islam is not part of the liberal plan.

    Liberals do not merely intend to undermine and destroy Islam in the West. They intend to do the same thing in the Islamic world. Liberalism is the most extreme evangelical religion that has ever existed. No competing religion will be permitted to survive.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon

  42. All I know is that the IFCJ desperately needs your help:

  43. @Lot
    White liberals in 2001 were nearly as patriotic as conservatives, but not anymore.

    https://twitter.com/ZachG932/status/1126240499805949952

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Mr. Anon

    White liberals in 2001 were nearly as patriotic as conservatives, but not anymore.

    A lot of them seems quite patriotic in the traditional Sean-Hannity-patriotard fashion of praising functionaries of the state – the FBI, the CIA, the military, etc.

  44. 2 things.

    1. I am surprised Native Americans aren’t included in the list of unprivileged peoples. I visited the Navajo nation a few years back and it shocked me how much worse off currently living native americans are than prctically any other disadvantaged group I’ve ever come in contact with. If you look at any measure of social non-wellbeing i.e. rates of divorce, obesity, diabetes, domestic abuse, suicide, teen pregnancy, unemployment, alcoholism and poverty, their numbers dwarf those of any other group. Therefore, it’s interesting that they only get press on Thanksgiving, when in reality this group of people that numbers between 500,000 and 1,000,000 are truly getting the shortest end of the stick possible.

    2. I found a reference to the term anti-gentile in the Jewish Encyclopedia from 1906. I remember Steve mentioned the lack of terms to describe Jewish antipathy towards non-Jews, yet this term existed in 1906. http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/6585-gentile

  45. @Lot
    @Desiderius

    “How big do you imagine the Jewish Megaphone is these days?”

    I don’t think there is a single unified Jewish view on American race issues. Rather, they fall into the same basic four camps that probably 99% of other Americans do which I’d label hard left, center left, center right, hard right.

    Hard left is what you see in academia and race activists, center left is a what you see in most older white democrats and coastal elites, center right is mushy Republicans, most older independents, and most middle American elites, hard right are the views of activist conservatives and the small slice of HBD aware elites.

    Jews are disproportionately visible in every single group.

    “Is your theory that those people don’t care what is good for the Jews?”

    Conservatives and moderates care, the hard left Jews in general see Jews as a slightly less bad type of white.

    I don’t know if the ones who advocate for “right of return” meaning massive Arab migration to Israel think it will be good or bad for the Jews there. Same for the advocates of obviously Jew-hating Muslim hordes.

    I find trying to put myself into the head of people who think the Africanization/Islamification of the Europe and America to be a good thing impossible. Likewise, I can’t comprehend the race/IQ egalitarians. It is tempting to think they are all acting in bad faith and don’t really believe it, but I don’t see much evidence of this.

    Replies: @Svigor, @megabar, @Desiderius, @Mr. Anon

    I don’t think there is a single unified Jewish view on American race issues. Rather, they fall into the same basic four camps that probably 99% of other Americans do which I’d label hard left, center left, center right, hard right.

    Hard left is what you see in academia and race activists, center left is a what you see in most older white democrats and coastal elites, center right is mushy Republicans, most older independents, and most middle American elites, hard right are the views of activist conservatives and the small slice of HBD aware elites.

    Jews are disproportionately visible in every single group.

    But they disproportionately gravitate to the two left groups, don’t they? 70% of them vote for the Democratic Party – the Party with the left position on immigration, and getting harder left by the day. And among those who are, for want of a better term, “opinion leaders” – pundits, politicians, government officials, etc., – even right leaning Jews seem to favor immigration. There are exceptions to that certainly, but relatively few, and even those seem to have little influence.

    The numbers argue against your contention.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Mr. Anon

    “even right leaning Jews seem to favor immigration”

    So do right-leaning wealthy people of all stripes, as it means more customers and cheaper labor.

    Sheldon Anderson wants migration because he’s genetically programmed to destroy his “host culture” so he can... well he’s worth $30 billion and already can do want he wants.

    But when the Koch Brothers spend money lobbying for open borders, it is for some other less bad reason.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Mr. Anon

  46. @BigDickNick
    Jews are very smart people except when it comes to one subject: themselves. again and again the vast majority of jews seem incapable of objectively evaluating how they appear to others.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Svigor, @notanon, @Anonymouse, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    >the vast majority of jews seem incapable of objectively evaluating how they appear to others.

    How would you know? you’re not a jew. Apparently, you are able to jump into the heads of people who are not you and see how they view themselves in the world. You either are gifted with supernatural powers or you’re just another Unz.com bigot.

    • Replies: @BigDickNick
    @Anonymouse

    actually, I have substantial jewish heritage and learned jewish history "facts" growing up such as:

    1. jews were poor relative to their neighbors in europe (outside of a few periods and places this was generally not true)

    2. palestinians voluntarily left palestine during 1948 war.

    3. jews didn't participate in colonialism and regular white people are morally inferior etc.


    etc.

  47. @Svigor
    On a more philosophical level, there is literally no one who believes in racial cognitive equality, period. Some stupid people with experience with blacks do, but they're too stupid to think critically, so their belief isn't genuine. They're just regurgitating orders. Some smart people without experience with blacks do, but they're ignorant of the subject matter, so their belief isn't genuine. They're just regurgitating orders. Then there are the scads of people who are just dishonest.

    Some of you guys should try spending time outside a blue state. Get pretty much any southern white guy to trust you, have a few drinks, and bam, out it comes.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @jbwilson24

    And a lot of blacks don’t believe it either (cognitive equality of the races). W.E.B. duBois didn’t believe it – that’s why he invented the phrase “the talented tenth” (that is of black folks) to designate the percentage of blacks whose IQ was north of 100.

  48. @Digital Samizdat
    @Michael S


    Liberal Jews care about liberalism, not Judaism.
     
    Modern, Western 'liberalism' basically is a Jewish construct anyway. And please don't make the mistake of confusing Jewishness with Judaism; the former can now exist apart from the latter (and has for a long time now).

    It’s actually the Jewish neoconservatives, like Ben Shapiro and Bill Kristol, who appear to agitate for what’s best for Jews at the expense of everyone else.
     
    Well no, not overtly. Bill Kristol--like most of the neocons--would claim that all his wars in the ME were for the purpose of 'democracy promotion'. He would become quite indignant if you were to publicly suggest to him that maybe--must maybe!--they were for the benefit of Israel. And isn't Kristol--like so many of his neocon brethren--in favor of open borders? According to him and his kind, isn't America just some 'propositional nation' with no right to exclude anybody anywhere who wants in the club?

    Replies: @Anonymouse

    >Modern, Western ‘liberalism’ basically is a Jewish construct anyway.

    Constructs are structures of thought. They don’t possess nationality.

  49. White privilege us just an anti-semitic dog whistle – kind of like saying urban when you really mean black.

  50. @Svigor
    @BigDickNick

    What's really amazing is when you've observed Jewish culture long enough that the flowchart* starts to come into view. You realize that their entire culture is set up to relieve Jews of the burden of self-evaluation.

    *You know, the Jewish playbook on deflecting blame. "Did the goy imply Jews are a race?" -arrow- "pretend Jewry is a religion." "Did the goy criticize a devoted Jew who had a non-Jewish mother" -arrow- "No True Scotsman." Etc. I should draw that up some day. I know an awful lot of the arrows ultimately lead to "You have proven the goy an antisemite. You must now dismiss everything he said and walk away."

    Replies: @Anonymouse

    >You realize that their entire culture is set up to relieve Jews of the burden of self-evaluation.

    You should write a book explaining that proposition or at least an extended think-piece. Imagine the curriculum that would convey that message. Hey, Hymie, stop thinking about how you look in the mirror, how you look to Becky the blonde, how you look in the world. How you fail to far bella figura. It says so in the Talmud: do not evaluate yourself, ever! And you, goy Svigor, you sussed that out. Apparently, you are a god-gifted seer (of the impossible) or just another Unz.com bigot.

  51. As one might say, “[Their] main point is valid but chances are [they] heard some incomplete version of the story.” Haven’t they heard about the Shoah, and haven’t they heard the other innumerable stories of persecution that define Jews and have been continuously added to the holy books?

    Somehow, that terrible anger toward Jews keeps on mysteriously reoccurring, as if it is just an idle hobby enjoyed by every other people around the world for no reason.

    The reason we goyishe köpfe can somehow dimly perceive their privilege, even though it “is almost completely blockaded from the prestige press,” is because it is so goddamned obvious.

  52. @J.Ross
    Nonwhite people do hate Jews, but never in the bizarre Byzantine ways Jews ritually pretend to be an essential part of it, and they either keep their mouths shut or stick to a less commonly taught language. Surrounded by jealous enemies waiting for the right moment, Jews have decided that all focus should be put on the one group of people who could be accused of worshipping them. The future is the Island of Dr Moreau.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    “You all ate [the White man’s] flesh, you all became Gods. But who is God number one?”

    • Replies: @SFG
    @BenKenobi

    Since you brought it up, technically, Christians eat Jewish flesh on Sundays. ;)

  53. @BigDickNick
    Jews are very smart people except when it comes to one subject: themselves. again and again the vast majority of jews seem incapable of objectively evaluating how they appear to others.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Svigor, @notanon, @Anonymouse, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Jews are very smart people except when it comes to one subject: themselves. again and again the vast majority of jews seem incapable of objectively evaluating how they appear to others.

    It’s pretty wild if you’re ever on the “inside” with Jews for a while – not fitting in so much as being a fixture like a chair or table. They can be quite apt at describing the behavior of other kinds of Jews.

    I’ve had liberal-ish Reform Jews tell me to watch out for the Black Hats, describing them as clannish, avaricious, dishonest towards outsiders and sharp in their business practices without any sense of self-awareness.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    >I’ve had liberal-ish Reform Jews tell me to watch out for the Black Hats, describing them as clannish, avaricious, dishonest towards outsiders and sharp in their business practices without any sense of self-awareness.

    I can think of a number of counter-examples to that accusation. Primo, B&HCamera&Video in NYC. Perhaps the largest supplier of professional cameras, camcorders and related gear in the world, their reputation is solid gold. They are black hats, ultra-religious, they close down their website to purchases on the Jewish Sabbath, for buying and selling is forbidden on the Sabbath. Secundo, my mother in very old age, living alone in Brooklyn, was befriended by a young black hat who offered to do her shopping for her which he did until her death. She was not religious, quite the contrary, but the black hat never pestered her about praying, etc. He just did it as a mikva, a good deed, to make himself more righteous in the eyes of his god. He phoned once after she died and I spoke to him briefly. I now wish I had asked to meet him but it didn't occur to me then in the whirling aftermath of her dying. Tertio, strolling about in Riverdale some years ago, an upscale NYC neighborhood, a very young black hat approached me, asked if I was a jew, and asked if I would mount a pickup truck which was gotten up as a temporary hut to celebrate the Jewish holiday of Succah which references the agriculture harvest in the fall. If I said a prayer with him, he would give me a cookie. He was of the Chabad sect, one of the largest of the black hat sects, and notoriously uncrooked. I repeated the prayer in the holy language and I got and ate my cookie.

    For the most part, the Black Hats are simple people, somewhat like the Amish I imagine. There is a sprinkling of bad apples among them sure. As a temporary secretary at a Wall Street firm while I was clearing out my mother's apartment, I had the pleasure of typing up the recorded memoranda of the lawyer for the options department in which I worked. There was a rabbi named Prushinowski living in a jewish suburb of Montreal with confederates sprinkled all over the world, from Israel to Johannesberg to Hong Kong and elsewhere. He was able to churn his account with the brokerage with checks flying in and out of his account from many parts of the world with the result that some millions of dollars went missing. Actually he had suborned one of the firm's brokers who had skillfully covered his/their tracks, as I overheard the accountant explain to the lawyer as they went over the record of the transactions. In fact he had pulled this caper with quite a number of stock market brokerages. He had gone to ground in Israel and the brokerage firm was getting messages offering to sell them the location of the perp. My lawyer contacted the Israeli police to get them to arrest Prushinowski. The cops counter-advised the lawyer that if they wanted Prushinowski, they should pay the informers. It was quite an insight into the level of public morality in Israel. There is a long article about Reb Prushinowski in Wikipedia. He was finally arrested and sent to jail.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  54. @Lot
    “Is today’s incessant media discourse about “privilege” really as good for the Jews as many Jewish media personalities tend to assume? ”

    What’s the evidence that Jews who talk about “white privilege” think doing so is good for Jews?

    As best as I can tell, the American SJW party line is Jews are awful white people, just not as bad as Anglo-Saxons or Germans. And the Euroweenie version is Israel is as bad as apartheid South Africa and maybe a little better than Nazi Germany, and certainly worse than China which is never a target of their boycott campaigns.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Svigor, @neutral, @reiner Tor, @notanon, @SFG

    What’s the evidence that Jews who talk about “white privilege” think doing so is good for Jews?

    i don’t think they necessarily do think that – i think it’s more a kind of allergic reaction to the majority population.

    in Japan the same people would be attacking Japanese privilege.

  55. @Svigor
    On a more philosophical level, there is literally no one who believes in racial cognitive equality, period. Some stupid people with experience with blacks do, but they're too stupid to think critically, so their belief isn't genuine. They're just regurgitating orders. Some smart people without experience with blacks do, but they're ignorant of the subject matter, so their belief isn't genuine. They're just regurgitating orders. Then there are the scads of people who are just dishonest.

    Some of you guys should try spending time outside a blue state. Get pretty much any southern white guy to trust you, have a few drinks, and bam, out it comes.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @jbwilson24

    “On a more philosophical level, there is literally no one who believes in racial cognitive equality, period…. Get pretty much any southern white guy to trust you, have a few drinks, and bam, out it comes.”

    Better yet, get to know Chinese people really well and you’ll find out what they think of blacks, Indians, whites, etc. Asians definitely do not believe in the whole ‘we are all equal’ business.

  56. @J.Ross
    @Lot

    >Sweden is not an example of a malevolent overclass brainwashing the populace at large
    Okay. Very Karl Rove, Sweden's probably the clearest example, it's literally one (1) family.
    >there are non-Jews who support globalism
    There's Mexicans who love the SS, one was my roommate once. If nobody needed to be deceived, our mass media landscape would look completely different. Maybe part of the reason you're so unique is it is literally illegal to try to talk about these things in most of these places.

    Replies: @jbwilson24

    Agreed. Sweden is a particularly bad counter-example to propose, given that 95% of the Swedish media is in Jewish hands. The Bonniers, Aschbergs and others have a lock on funding to an extent that there are almost no opposing viewpoints.

    Have we forgotten this incident?

    https://www.thelocal.se/20161006/swedish-nationalist-accused-of-anti-semitism-bonnier

    All it took was a lady pointing out that one ethnic group controls much of the media, and the cries of ‘anti-semitism’ were raised. Rather odd that her critics confirmed who really owns the media, yet managed to paint her as a conspiracy theorist whose facts were wrong.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @jbwilson24

    I present for you the leading two members of the Bonnier family.

    Yeah they really look like super-duper Jewish nationalists.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Biskop_%C3%85ke_Bonnier_2014-03-13_001.jpg/220px-Biskop_%C3%85ke_Bonnier_2014-03-13_001.jpg

    https://www.resume.se/globalassets/resume/nyheter/2008/05/28/jonas-bonnier-ar-maktigast/jonasbonnier3_72dpi.jpg

  57. Lot says:
    @Mr. Anon
    @Lot


    I don’t think there is a single unified Jewish view on American race issues. Rather, they fall into the same basic four camps that probably 99% of other Americans do which I’d label hard left, center left, center right, hard right.

    Hard left is what you see in academia and race activists, center left is a what you see in most older white democrats and coastal elites, center right is mushy Republicans, most older independents, and most middle American elites, hard right are the views of activist conservatives and the small slice of HBD aware elites.

    Jews are disproportionately visible in every single group.
     
    But they disproportionately gravitate to the two left groups, don't they? 70% of them vote for the Democratic Party - the Party with the left position on immigration, and getting harder left by the day. And among those who are, for want of a better term, "opinion leaders" - pundits, politicians, government officials, etc., - even right leaning Jews seem to favor immigration. There are exceptions to that certainly, but relatively few, and even those seem to have little influence.

    The numbers argue against your contention.

    Replies: @Lot

    “even right leaning Jews seem to favor immigration”

    So do right-leaning wealthy people of all stripes, as it means more customers and cheaper labor.

    Sheldon Anderson wants migration because he’s genetically programmed to destroy his “host culture” so he can… well he’s worth $30 billion and already can do want he wants.

    But when the Koch Brothers spend money lobbying for open borders, it is for some other less bad reason.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Lot


    “even right leaning Jews seem to favor immigration”

    So do right-leaning wealthy people of all stripes, as it means more customers and cheaper labor.
     
    Open borders is a right-wing thing. Cheap labour, a docile workforce, more consumers. Lower wages for all workers. Weaker unions. A more demoralised and atomised population that exists only to consume. What's not to love if you're a right-winger?

    Open borders would never have gained any traction without a lot of money being spent by bankers and billionaires and corporations. It is entirely a right-wing conspiracy.

    The idea that the Left supports open borders is ludicrous. There is no Left today. Those who claim to be Left today are cheerleaders for corporate interests. They have been bought body and soul by the corporate sector. They are owned by the people who provide their funding. You think the Democrats are a left-wing party? If you do I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Lot


    But when the Koch Brothers spend money lobbying for open borders, it is for some other less bad reason.
     
    No, they're reasons are every bit as bad, and not particularly tied to their ethnic group.

    The fact that you have to resort to a few choice examples is proof that you can't really support your contention.

    70%

    70% who are happy to vote for Pelosi, Schumer, Gutierrez - who vote for the Party of Omar and Tlaib.

    70% who vote for essentially unrestricted immigration.

    Year in, year out, every year.

    As I said, the numbers do not agree with you. No matter how much you shuck and jive about it.
  58. Lot says:
    @jbwilson24
    @J.Ross

    Agreed. Sweden is a particularly bad counter-example to propose, given that 95% of the Swedish media is in Jewish hands. The Bonniers, Aschbergs and others have a lock on funding to an extent that there are almost no opposing viewpoints.

    Have we forgotten this incident?

    https://www.thelocal.se/20161006/swedish-nationalist-accused-of-anti-semitism-bonnier

    All it took was a lady pointing out that one ethnic group controls much of the media, and the cries of 'anti-semitism' were raised. Rather odd that her critics confirmed who really owns the media, yet managed to paint her as a conspiracy theorist whose facts were wrong.

    Replies: @Lot

    I present for you the leading two members of the Bonnier family.

    Yeah they really look like super-duper Jewish nationalists.

  59. Blacks dropped from most disadvantage to 5th behind Hispanic, LBGT, immigrants and the winner Muslims. It’s actually blacks who are the most screwed.

  60. @Travis
    @al-Gharaniq

    it is strange that leftists seem to support muslims when muslims are extreme conservatives on important social issues for the left, like feminism and gay rights.

    leftists seem to have a real fear of conservative Christians obtaining power, and attack and mock christians for their beliefs. Yet these same people never mock muslims or fear what will occur when muslims become a majority in Germany and France.

    I recall talking to a leftist friend and telling him I supported Trump's ban on muslims and he thought it was a bad idea because a muslim friend of ours was a doctor. This muslim friend of ours was not a practicing muslim, his parents were immigrants and strict muslims but he was very Americanized. Thus leftists often point to the exceptions to justify why we should allow muslims into America. When I pointed out that most muslims strongly oppose jews, feminism, gay rights, he actually agreed, but thinks their children will become more like typical Americans like our friend. Our muslim friend was strongly opposed to Israel , which was one thing he had in common with my leftist friend.

    another interesting conversation I had with the same friend..he moved after having his first child back in 2015. When I asked him why he moved he said it was because the schools had gotten bad because so many hispanics had moved into his town, thus he moved to a town which is 95% white. Yet he opposes building a wall. Interesting that he admitted the reason he moved, but this was before the Trump campaign and I suspect he would not have been as honest about his move today. But it demonstrates that leftists spend significant resources to avoid exposure hispanics and Blacks but avoid seeing the potential problems we will face when only the wealthy can escape bad school districts. Recently he complained that his town was too white, because just 1% of the students at his daughters school is black. very hard to understand his logic. They pretend they want to live in a diverse town , but flee towns which are less than 60% white. Yet the demographics of American school children is currently just 50% white. So a truly representative school district is too "diverse" yet they do not oppose allowing millions of diverse people to migrate into our nation each year.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @dfordoom

    another interesting conversation I had with the same friend..he moved after having his first child back in 2015. When I asked him why he moved he said it was because the schools had gotten bad because so many hispanics had moved into his town, thus he moved to a town which is 95% white.

    This jibes with my experiences that adult Leftists seem to love die-versity, yet they want their juicy, nubile teen daughters as far from its ‘benefits’ as possible.

  61. SFG says:
    @Lot
    “Is today’s incessant media discourse about “privilege” really as good for the Jews as many Jewish media personalities tend to assume? ”

    What’s the evidence that Jews who talk about “white privilege” think doing so is good for Jews?

    As best as I can tell, the American SJW party line is Jews are awful white people, just not as bad as Anglo-Saxons or Germans. And the Euroweenie version is Israel is as bad as apartheid South Africa and maybe a little better than Nazi Germany, and certainly worse than China which is never a target of their boycott campaigns.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Svigor, @neutral, @reiner Tor, @notanon, @SFG

    The sense I get is that SJW American Jews (which is most of them outside this comment board) see themselves as having a special mission to fight prejudice because they were the targets of it in the past, and benefit from privilege because they are seen as white people, so they have the obligation to fight white privilege.

    Again, I’m not in the inner circle and never went to Hillel, so it’s entirely possible they’re self-aware and actually planning to divide the white majority as a conscious strategy. I did meet *one* guy who, when I argued Jews should vote Republican, said they were doing better with the Democrats and had no reason to change. So I guess I knew one guy who fit that. That said I have all the schmooze of a used carburetor and this stuff may well all be going on in circles I didn’t get invited to.

    My few weak attempts at playing the Jewish card were back in college, when I went to a few meals in the kosher dining hall (and yes, I was trying to pick up a dorky Jewish girl I had a crush on.) Quite a few were Republicans, but back then none of this alt-right stuff existed, though so I have no idea what they’d think of Trump.

    The few guys I kept in touch with like him, but they’re from more blue-collar backgrounds (Russian/Sephardic).

  62. @BenKenobi
    @J.Ross

    "You all ate [the White man's] flesh, you all became Gods. But who is God number one?"

    Replies: @SFG

    Since you brought it up, technically, Christians eat Jewish flesh on Sundays. 😉

  63. @Travis
    @al-Gharaniq

    it is strange that leftists seem to support muslims when muslims are extreme conservatives on important social issues for the left, like feminism and gay rights.

    leftists seem to have a real fear of conservative Christians obtaining power, and attack and mock christians for their beliefs. Yet these same people never mock muslims or fear what will occur when muslims become a majority in Germany and France.

    I recall talking to a leftist friend and telling him I supported Trump's ban on muslims and he thought it was a bad idea because a muslim friend of ours was a doctor. This muslim friend of ours was not a practicing muslim, his parents were immigrants and strict muslims but he was very Americanized. Thus leftists often point to the exceptions to justify why we should allow muslims into America. When I pointed out that most muslims strongly oppose jews, feminism, gay rights, he actually agreed, but thinks their children will become more like typical Americans like our friend. Our muslim friend was strongly opposed to Israel , which was one thing he had in common with my leftist friend.

    another interesting conversation I had with the same friend..he moved after having his first child back in 2015. When I asked him why he moved he said it was because the schools had gotten bad because so many hispanics had moved into his town, thus he moved to a town which is 95% white. Yet he opposes building a wall. Interesting that he admitted the reason he moved, but this was before the Trump campaign and I suspect he would not have been as honest about his move today. But it demonstrates that leftists spend significant resources to avoid exposure hispanics and Blacks but avoid seeing the potential problems we will face when only the wealthy can escape bad school districts. Recently he complained that his town was too white, because just 1% of the students at his daughters school is black. very hard to understand his logic. They pretend they want to live in a diverse town , but flee towns which are less than 60% white. Yet the demographics of American school children is currently just 50% white. So a truly representative school district is too "diverse" yet they do not oppose allowing millions of diverse people to migrate into our nation each year.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @dfordoom

    When I pointed out that most muslims strongly oppose jews, feminism, gay rights, he actually agreed, but thinks their children will become more like typical Americans like our friend.

    Liberals believe that liberalism is unstoppable because liberalism is righteous and inevitable and on the right side of history. They believe that Muslims will all become good liberals. They honestly believe that all Muslims will end up supporting feminism and the entire LGBTwhatever agenda.

    If they don’t, then liberalism will simply destroy Islam the way it destroyed Christianity. Liberals have no doubt that they will be able to do this as easily as they destroyed Christianity.

    They believe that importing Muslims (and importing non-whites) is basically importing future liberals.

    The survival of Islam is not part of the liberal plan.

    Liberals do not merely intend to undermine and destroy Islam in the West. They intend to do the same thing in the Islamic world. Liberalism is the most extreme evangelical religion that has ever existed. No competing religion will be permitted to survive.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @dfordoom


    Liberals believe that liberalism is unstoppable because liberalism is righteous and inevitable and on the right side of history. They believe that Muslims will all become good liberals. They honestly believe that all Muslims will end up supporting feminism and the entire LGBTwhatever agenda.

    If they don’t, then liberalism will simply destroy Islam the way it destroyed Christianity. Liberals have no doubt that they will be able to do this as easily as they destroyed Christianity.
     
    Well, pride goeth before a fall.... The Muzzies will tear them a new one in short order. The Muzzies are generally not smart, not verbally facile, but tough and ruthless.
    , @Anon
    @dfordoom

    No, leftists don't like Islam. And back when Reagan was arming the Mujahadeen they weren't secretive about it either. But since then - and particularly since 9/11 - they've learned to bite their tongues whenever Muslims act like Muslims. There's a lot of repressed hostility just under the surface though.

  64. @Lot
    @Mr. Anon

    “even right leaning Jews seem to favor immigration”

    So do right-leaning wealthy people of all stripes, as it means more customers and cheaper labor.

    Sheldon Anderson wants migration because he’s genetically programmed to destroy his “host culture” so he can... well he’s worth $30 billion and already can do want he wants.

    But when the Koch Brothers spend money lobbying for open borders, it is for some other less bad reason.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Mr. Anon

    “even right leaning Jews seem to favor immigration”

    So do right-leaning wealthy people of all stripes, as it means more customers and cheaper labor.

    Open borders is a right-wing thing. Cheap labour, a docile workforce, more consumers. Lower wages for all workers. Weaker unions. A more demoralised and atomised population that exists only to consume. What’s not to love if you’re a right-winger?

    Open borders would never have gained any traction without a lot of money being spent by bankers and billionaires and corporations. It is entirely a right-wing conspiracy.

    The idea that the Left supports open borders is ludicrous. There is no Left today. Those who claim to be Left today are cheerleaders for corporate interests. They have been bought body and soul by the corporate sector. They are owned by the people who provide their funding. You think the Democrats are a left-wing party? If you do I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @dfordoom


    Open borders is a right-wing thing.
     
    Utter nonsense. It's a rich thing. Not a right-wing thing.

    "Rich" and "right-wing"........not at all the same thing.
  65. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom
    @Travis


    When I pointed out that most muslims strongly oppose jews, feminism, gay rights, he actually agreed, but thinks their children will become more like typical Americans like our friend.
     
    Liberals believe that liberalism is unstoppable because liberalism is righteous and inevitable and on the right side of history. They believe that Muslims will all become good liberals. They honestly believe that all Muslims will end up supporting feminism and the entire LGBTwhatever agenda.

    If they don't, then liberalism will simply destroy Islam the way it destroyed Christianity. Liberals have no doubt that they will be able to do this as easily as they destroyed Christianity.

    They believe that importing Muslims (and importing non-whites) is basically importing future liberals.

    The survival of Islam is not part of the liberal plan.

    Liberals do not merely intend to undermine and destroy Islam in the West. They intend to do the same thing in the Islamic world. Liberalism is the most extreme evangelical religion that has ever existed. No competing religion will be permitted to survive.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon

    Liberals believe that liberalism is unstoppable because liberalism is righteous and inevitable and on the right side of history. They believe that Muslims will all become good liberals. They honestly believe that all Muslims will end up supporting feminism and the entire LGBTwhatever agenda.

    If they don’t, then liberalism will simply destroy Islam the way it destroyed Christianity. Liberals have no doubt that they will be able to do this as easily as they destroyed Christianity.

    Well, pride goeth before a fall…. The Muzzies will tear them a new one in short order. The Muzzies are generally not smart, not verbally facile, but tough and ruthless.

  66. @Lot
    @Mr. Anon

    “even right leaning Jews seem to favor immigration”

    So do right-leaning wealthy people of all stripes, as it means more customers and cheaper labor.

    Sheldon Anderson wants migration because he’s genetically programmed to destroy his “host culture” so he can... well he’s worth $30 billion and already can do want he wants.

    But when the Koch Brothers spend money lobbying for open borders, it is for some other less bad reason.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Mr. Anon

    But when the Koch Brothers spend money lobbying for open borders, it is for some other less bad reason.

    No, they’re reasons are every bit as bad, and not particularly tied to their ethnic group.

    The fact that you have to resort to a few choice examples is proof that you can’t really support your contention.

    70%

    70% who are happy to vote for Pelosi, Schumer, Gutierrez – who vote for the Party of Omar and Tlaib.

    70% who vote for essentially unrestricted immigration.

    Year in, year out, every year.

    As I said, the numbers do not agree with you. No matter how much you shuck and jive about it.

  67. @dfordoom
    @Lot


    “even right leaning Jews seem to favor immigration”

    So do right-leaning wealthy people of all stripes, as it means more customers and cheaper labor.
     
    Open borders is a right-wing thing. Cheap labour, a docile workforce, more consumers. Lower wages for all workers. Weaker unions. A more demoralised and atomised population that exists only to consume. What's not to love if you're a right-winger?

    Open borders would never have gained any traction without a lot of money being spent by bankers and billionaires and corporations. It is entirely a right-wing conspiracy.

    The idea that the Left supports open borders is ludicrous. There is no Left today. Those who claim to be Left today are cheerleaders for corporate interests. They have been bought body and soul by the corporate sector. They are owned by the people who provide their funding. You think the Democrats are a left-wing party? If you do I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Open borders is a right-wing thing.

    Utter nonsense. It’s a rich thing. Not a right-wing thing.

    “Rich” and “right-wing”……..not at all the same thing.

  68. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @BigDickNick


    Jews are very smart people except when it comes to one subject: themselves. again and again the vast majority of jews seem incapable of objectively evaluating how they appear to others.
     
    It's pretty wild if you're ever on the "inside" with Jews for a while - not fitting in so much as being a fixture like a chair or table. They can be quite apt at describing the behavior of other kinds of Jews.

    I've had liberal-ish Reform Jews tell me to watch out for the Black Hats, describing them as clannish, avaricious, dishonest towards outsiders and sharp in their business practices without any sense of self-awareness.

    Replies: @Anonymouse

    >I’ve had liberal-ish Reform Jews tell me to watch out for the Black Hats, describing them as clannish, avaricious, dishonest towards outsiders and sharp in their business practices without any sense of self-awareness.

    I can think of a number of counter-examples to that accusation. Primo, B&HCamera&Video in NYC. Perhaps the largest supplier of professional cameras, camcorders and related gear in the world, their reputation is solid gold. They are black hats, ultra-religious, they close down their website to purchases on the Jewish Sabbath, for buying and selling is forbidden on the Sabbath. Secundo, my mother in very old age, living alone in Brooklyn, was befriended by a young black hat who offered to do her shopping for her which he did until her death. She was not religious, quite the contrary, but the black hat never pestered her about praying, etc. He just did it as a mikva, a good deed, to make himself more righteous in the eyes of his god. He phoned once after she died and I spoke to him briefly. I now wish I had asked to meet him but it didn’t occur to me then in the whirling aftermath of her dying. Tertio, strolling about in Riverdale some years ago, an upscale NYC neighborhood, a very young black hat approached me, asked if I was a jew, and asked if I would mount a pickup truck which was gotten up as a temporary hut to celebrate the Jewish holiday of Succah which references the agriculture harvest in the fall. If I said a prayer with him, he would give me a cookie. He was of the Chabad sect, one of the largest of the black hat sects, and notoriously uncrooked. I repeated the prayer in the holy language and I got and ate my cookie.

    For the most part, the Black Hats are simple people, somewhat like the Amish I imagine. There is a sprinkling of bad apples among them sure. As a temporary secretary at a Wall Street firm while I was clearing out my mother’s apartment, I had the pleasure of typing up the recorded memoranda of the lawyer for the options department in which I worked. There was a rabbi named Prushinowski living in a jewish suburb of Montreal with confederates sprinkled all over the world, from Israel to Johannesberg to Hong Kong and elsewhere. He was able to churn his account with the brokerage with checks flying in and out of his account from many parts of the world with the result that some millions of dollars went missing. Actually he had suborned one of the firm’s brokers who had skillfully covered his/their tracks, as I overheard the accountant explain to the lawyer as they went over the record of the transactions. In fact he had pulled this caper with quite a number of stock market brokerages. He had gone to ground in Israel and the brokerage firm was getting messages offering to sell them the location of the perp. My lawyer contacted the Israeli police to get them to arrest Prushinowski. The cops counter-advised the lawyer that if they wanted Prushinowski, they should pay the informers. It was quite an insight into the level of public morality in Israel. There is a long article about Reb Prushinowski in Wikipedia. He was finally arrested and sent to jail.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymouse

    People who live around the Amish don't necessarily like them very much.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @Lot

  69. @Anonymouse
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    >I’ve had liberal-ish Reform Jews tell me to watch out for the Black Hats, describing them as clannish, avaricious, dishonest towards outsiders and sharp in their business practices without any sense of self-awareness.

    I can think of a number of counter-examples to that accusation. Primo, B&HCamera&Video in NYC. Perhaps the largest supplier of professional cameras, camcorders and related gear in the world, their reputation is solid gold. They are black hats, ultra-religious, they close down their website to purchases on the Jewish Sabbath, for buying and selling is forbidden on the Sabbath. Secundo, my mother in very old age, living alone in Brooklyn, was befriended by a young black hat who offered to do her shopping for her which he did until her death. She was not religious, quite the contrary, but the black hat never pestered her about praying, etc. He just did it as a mikva, a good deed, to make himself more righteous in the eyes of his god. He phoned once after she died and I spoke to him briefly. I now wish I had asked to meet him but it didn't occur to me then in the whirling aftermath of her dying. Tertio, strolling about in Riverdale some years ago, an upscale NYC neighborhood, a very young black hat approached me, asked if I was a jew, and asked if I would mount a pickup truck which was gotten up as a temporary hut to celebrate the Jewish holiday of Succah which references the agriculture harvest in the fall. If I said a prayer with him, he would give me a cookie. He was of the Chabad sect, one of the largest of the black hat sects, and notoriously uncrooked. I repeated the prayer in the holy language and I got and ate my cookie.

    For the most part, the Black Hats are simple people, somewhat like the Amish I imagine. There is a sprinkling of bad apples among them sure. As a temporary secretary at a Wall Street firm while I was clearing out my mother's apartment, I had the pleasure of typing up the recorded memoranda of the lawyer for the options department in which I worked. There was a rabbi named Prushinowski living in a jewish suburb of Montreal with confederates sprinkled all over the world, from Israel to Johannesberg to Hong Kong and elsewhere. He was able to churn his account with the brokerage with checks flying in and out of his account from many parts of the world with the result that some millions of dollars went missing. Actually he had suborned one of the firm's brokers who had skillfully covered his/their tracks, as I overheard the accountant explain to the lawyer as they went over the record of the transactions. In fact he had pulled this caper with quite a number of stock market brokerages. He had gone to ground in Israel and the brokerage firm was getting messages offering to sell them the location of the perp. My lawyer contacted the Israeli police to get them to arrest Prushinowski. The cops counter-advised the lawyer that if they wanted Prushinowski, they should pay the informers. It was quite an insight into the level of public morality in Israel. There is a long article about Reb Prushinowski in Wikipedia. He was finally arrested and sent to jail.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    People who live around the Amish don’t necessarily like them very much.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @Steve Sailer

    >People who live around the Amish don’t necessarily like them very much.

    Interesting. I didn't know that. Perhaps the roiling tide of jew hate in this forum and elsewhere might/should be explained as a normal hatred of difference. Of course, some are attracted by difference. If I may be permitted one more anecdote on the subject. My secular (=unreligious) childless uncle and his wife, after his retirement, developed a fascination with the Amish and took vacations in the Pennsylvania Amish countryside as often as they could afford to. I wondered at the time why they might not have developed a fascination with the local Brooklyn black hats and saved the cost of travel and lodging. I do remember their expressed admiration for the Amish people's unique personal quality. For a peep into the strange world of the Hasidim, the so-called black hats, I recommend the Canadian movie Felix and Meira.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    , @Lot
    @Steve Sailer

    When I visited some second cousins in an area with many Amish and Mennonites they didn’t say anything negative about them and encouraged me to visit their market. The central american migrants were another story.

  70. @Anonymouse
    @BigDickNick

    >the vast majority of jews seem incapable of objectively evaluating how they appear to others.

    How would you know? you're not a jew. Apparently, you are able to jump into the heads of people who are not you and see how they view themselves in the world. You either are gifted with supernatural powers or you're just another Unz.com bigot.

    Replies: @BigDickNick

    actually, I have substantial jewish heritage and learned jewish history “facts” growing up such as:

    1. jews were poor relative to their neighbors in europe (outside of a few periods and places this was generally not true)

    2. palestinians voluntarily left palestine during 1948 war.

    3. jews didn’t participate in colonialism and regular white people are morally inferior etc.

    etc.

  71. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymouse

    People who live around the Amish don't necessarily like them very much.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @Lot

    >People who live around the Amish don’t necessarily like them very much.

    Interesting. I didn’t know that. Perhaps the roiling tide of jew hate in this forum and elsewhere might/should be explained as a normal hatred of difference. Of course, some are attracted by difference. If I may be permitted one more anecdote on the subject. My secular (=unreligious) childless uncle and his wife, after his retirement, developed a fascination with the Amish and took vacations in the Pennsylvania Amish countryside as often as they could afford to. I wondered at the time why they might not have developed a fascination with the local Brooklyn black hats and saved the cost of travel and lodging. I do remember their expressed admiration for the Amish people’s unique personal quality. For a peep into the strange world of the Hasidim, the so-called black hats, I recommend the Canadian movie Felix and Meira.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Anonymouse


    Perhaps the roiling tide of jew hate in this forum and elsewhere might/should be explained as a normal hatred of difference.
     
    Disagreeing with people or finding aspects of their behavior disagreeable is not "hate". The persistent use of the word "hate" when the more accurate words "disagree with " or "object to" should be used is another form of yelling "shutup". Using "hate" when "disagree with" fits is an attempt to label the argument irrational and is thus cowardly as well as dishonest.

    Webster defines "hate" as: "intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury". This definition does not apply in the vast majority of instances in which one side states the other side is motivated by "hate". You should know better.
  72. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymouse

    People who live around the Amish don't necessarily like them very much.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @Lot

    When I visited some second cousins in an area with many Amish and Mennonites they didn’t say anything negative about them and encouraged me to visit their market. The central american migrants were another story.

  73. @Lot
    @Svigor

    OK champ, you tell me what is going through the minds of the 80% of Swedes who, in the privacy of the voting booth, vote for pro-Somali-migration parties when there is a perfectly tame anti-migration alternative.

    Or the vast majority of French who voted for Macron over Le Pen, who were both basically squishy centrists on economic issues? That was especially depressing because she did a good job of breaking the “nationalism + globocapitalism” package deal we are mostly stuck with in the USA that I can understand rejecting given the awfulness of the latter.

    I learned and accepted a long time ago that my basically statistical way of seeing the world isn’t that common, and it is hard to get into the heads of people who think differently. My type is a lot smarter on average, but the other types include plenty of smart people too, and they are just as morally good in their intentions.

    I am not much of an optimist but your world seemingly full of malevolent Jews and allied elites with nearly complete control over the blind and dumb masses is a whole lot worse.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @HammerJack, @Marty T

    Yeah I mean this is where the “Jews are the root of all evil” crowd has no argument. Sweden has almost no Jews and it’s just about the most anti white, leftist country there is.

  74. @Anonymouse
    @Steve Sailer

    >People who live around the Amish don’t necessarily like them very much.

    Interesting. I didn't know that. Perhaps the roiling tide of jew hate in this forum and elsewhere might/should be explained as a normal hatred of difference. Of course, some are attracted by difference. If I may be permitted one more anecdote on the subject. My secular (=unreligious) childless uncle and his wife, after his retirement, developed a fascination with the Amish and took vacations in the Pennsylvania Amish countryside as often as they could afford to. I wondered at the time why they might not have developed a fascination with the local Brooklyn black hats and saved the cost of travel and lodging. I do remember their expressed admiration for the Amish people's unique personal quality. For a peep into the strange world of the Hasidim, the so-called black hats, I recommend the Canadian movie Felix and Meira.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    Perhaps the roiling tide of jew hate in this forum and elsewhere might/should be explained as a normal hatred of difference.

    Disagreeing with people or finding aspects of their behavior disagreeable is not “hate”. The persistent use of the word “hate” when the more accurate words “disagree with ” or “object to” should be used is another form of yelling “shutup”. Using “hate” when “disagree with” fits is an attempt to label the argument irrational and is thus cowardly as well as dishonest.

    Webster defines “hate” as: “intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury”. This definition does not apply in the vast majority of instances in which one side states the other side is motivated by “hate”. You should know better.

  75. @dfordoom
    @Travis


    When I pointed out that most muslims strongly oppose jews, feminism, gay rights, he actually agreed, but thinks their children will become more like typical Americans like our friend.
     
    Liberals believe that liberalism is unstoppable because liberalism is righteous and inevitable and on the right side of history. They believe that Muslims will all become good liberals. They honestly believe that all Muslims will end up supporting feminism and the entire LGBTwhatever agenda.

    If they don't, then liberalism will simply destroy Islam the way it destroyed Christianity. Liberals have no doubt that they will be able to do this as easily as they destroyed Christianity.

    They believe that importing Muslims (and importing non-whites) is basically importing future liberals.

    The survival of Islam is not part of the liberal plan.

    Liberals do not merely intend to undermine and destroy Islam in the West. They intend to do the same thing in the Islamic world. Liberalism is the most extreme evangelical religion that has ever existed. No competing religion will be permitted to survive.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon

    No, leftists don’t like Islam. And back when Reagan was arming the Mujahadeen they weren’t secretive about it either. But since then – and particularly since 9/11 – they’ve learned to bite their tongues whenever Muslims act like Muslims. There’s a lot of repressed hostility just under the surface though.

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