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The Supreme Court decided this afternoon not to consider the Texas lawsuit against the results in Pennsylvania. The vote was 7-2, with Alito and Thomas dissenting on procedural grounds, but without implying they’d uphold the Texas lawsuit (i.e., it wasn’t close).

With more careful planning ahead of the election, the Trump Administration might have put together a stronger legal and empirical case (although, frankly, forethought was never their thing). But it was never very likely that the 6-3 GOP majority on the Supreme Court would open themselves up to certain vengeance down the road by Democratic court-packers merely to give Donald Trump another term.

What happens next?

As I wrote several weeks ago:

Trump is an extraordinarily resilient personality, so I’m sure he’ll think of some next step in his remarkable career.

For those talking about secession, I listed the practical problems that make that highly unlikely last February in “Secession Studies.”

 
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  1. “ For those talking about secession”

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Lot

    OTOH, Americans haven't been cowed into submission.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMfpyixvuTo

    Break the restraints of "Compliance" drummed into people's heads and then who knows?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdONydDX44I

    https://www.popcornflix.com/watch/channel/actionthrillers/movie/18-ycdnx8omr6nl-compliance?t=0

    , @JimB
    @Lot


    The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.
     
    Especially now that the meritorious people are a powerful oppressor class with all the money and power and no concern for the common good. Their main issue is that they are few and the oppressed are many.
    , @Redman
    @Lot

    It’s unlikely that there will be a revolutionary crackup. We’ve seen how docile Americans are with the Wuflu fiasco. That was a big test. And we as a nation failed.

    But there’s a whole other level of economic misery we haven’t seen that our grandparents (or at least mine) did. What happens when that hurricane hits is anyone’s guess.

    I tend to think that Steve’s observation that Biden is our Von Hindenburg might be pretty spot on. If anything, there’s now an opening for a true populist to try to seize the throne from a hobbled and demented king in a few years.

    Replies: @MBlanc46, @Just another serf, @colm, @Known Fact

    , @SimpleSong
    @Lot

    I agree that's why the U.S. has been stable in the past--they essentially co-opted potential revolutionaries into the system. The talented did better working inside the system than against it.

    I'm not sure if that will hold going forward. Affirmative action moves us away from that in two ways. Most obviously, it destroys opportunities for talented whites and Asians to join powerful institutions as those slots get filled by AA hires. More insidiously, even the people who make it into the power structures end up spending a lot of their time on babysitting the incompetent AAs, planning more diversity training, etc., A lot of people just don't want that to be what their life is, and they leave.

    We think of affirmative action as an old program but in reality we haven't felt the full effect yet: the people in leadership positions now are from the relatively early days of AA, when it had a smaller effect as the country was more white. And AA would help you get into a college that was over your head, but afterward not much--however now it seems to apply over pretty much a person's entire career. So the incompetence is just going to get worse.

    I think we're approaching a tipping point where there is a lot of very good human capital outside the traditional centers of power, which tends to make the system unstable.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    , @fnn
    @Lot

    One of the many problems the Empire has is the type of people who volunteer for the US military.

    https://twitter.com/Americas_Crimes/status/1329552069217243136


    https://twitter.com/Americas_Crimes/status/1329550818782097410

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Desiderius
    @Lot

    Yeah I don’t think cake eating is going to be real popular going forward, especially when the first thing the GOP Senate did post-election was unanimously open the doors for an unlimited flood of Asian “merit,” but thx for the concern all the same.

    You think 80% of the GOP and 87% of Trump supporters considering the election illegitimate followed by all the processes within our system put there to shore up legitimacy summarily ignored is just going to go down smooth I don’t know what to tell you.

    You read history and wonder how the fat and happy could grow so blind and decadent and here we get to live right through it. Interesting times.

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer

    , @RSDB
    @Lot


    The Russian ... revolutionaries were ... better in their human capital than the hereditary government they deposed.
     
    And your evidence for this is ... ?

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Verymuchalive, @utu, @J.Ross, @Bill

    , @BB753
    @Lot

    The US is only as stable as the dollar. When the Federal Reserve will no longer be able to print money at will, all bets are off.
    That day, the "meritorious" will be in trouble. My theory is that we're reaching that point and that the whole BLM/covid charade was meant as a cover-up for a soft coup, called the Great Reset, planned to keep the elites in power and disenfrachise the uppity American people with real talent but no connections or lacking in melanine.

    Replies: @Aardvark

    , @lavoisier
    @Lot

    Totally Disagree.

    We are about as far away today from a meritocracy as one can get. A better description would be a corruptocracy.

    The rich get richer, and the very rich get extraordinarily rich. The seamless connection between the very rich and the government is obvious.

    And what is meritocratic about vulture capitalists and hedge fund managers making billions of dollars? Wall Street bankers as the cream of the crop?? I would think the key behavioral characteristic for this line of work is not high intelligence but psychopathy.

    No, there is a deep sense of anger and unease across the land, and this is not because people resent hard working and intelligent people making a lot of money. Rather, it is a sense that the game is rigged, and that the elite making off like bandits in the new world order are not just bandits but highly sophisticated and immoral criminals.

    The elite may well stay in power given their control of the government and the media, but it is not because the vast majority of Americans admire them and consider them worthy of elite status.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @MBlanc46

    , @bomag
    @Lot


    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.
     
    Seems like there are plenty of historical counter-examples.

    I'd say ancient Rome had that set up; some Chinese dynasties; apartheid South Africa; others.

    Stable ("stable") for a while; then not so much.
    , @S. Anonyia
    @Lot

    Don't think Russian or French revolutionaries were necessarily better "human capital" than the governments they deposed. Especially in the case of the Russian revolution. But even with the French Revolution, there is no evidence the aristocracy was full of idiots, only that they spent too much money. And the revolutionaries proved inept at running a government until Napoleon came around. A lot of good French capital was lost far earlier than the Revolution, with the expulsions of the industrious Huguenots.

    , @ben tillman
    @Lot


    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.
     
    It's a nightmare for the intelligent. There's no outlet for productive use of intelligence when the system is evil.

    And meritocracy? Not even close.
    , @ThreeCranes
    @Lot

    Contrary to what many believe and say here, I do not believe that "life is an intelligence test".

    Intelligence is but one aspect of a healthy personality. Can't do without it, for sure, but it is not the sole virtue. There is no one, sole, or essential virtue. All work together harmoniously. Fact is, Plato thought that harmony (temperance) was the cardinal virtue.

    Intelligence may be the keystone of the arch, but the arch stands upon foundation stones. Corner stones are laid first, with much ceremony, for a reason.

    Rule by an elite selected solely on the basis of intelligence would be a living nightmare--a nightmare the likes of which Bobby Fischer and Ted the Unabomber rejected. To be super intelligent does not confer humane values. As others have commented, those who rise to the top of the financial world may be smart but if they are sociopaths, then this is the worst of all possible worlds.

    Imagine if people who were as dominant physically as are some are mentally, gave free rein to their strength. Who wouldn't think that this wouldn't be an asinine way to organize society? Yet we hear people here saying that the strong (meaning the super intelligent) should rule. They would never think of saying that the strong (bodily) should rule--and with good reason. It's obvious when put in those terms. They know that rule by any group which was selected on the basis of one virtue would warp and cripple society.

    Meritocracy--and we're a far cry from that-- yes, but that's not the whole enchilada.

    , @Lurker
    @Lot


    The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.
     
    Until it isn't - a process that will be hastened by the black/brown/woke and their overlords.
  2. Eagerly awaiting the COPE.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Keypusher
    @Supply and Demand

    It was sadder than ever. What a pathetic thread.

    Hey, Trumpists, your guy LOST THE ELECTION. And then ran the sorriest legal campaign I’ve ever seen. Of course, it’s hard to write good briefs when you have no case.

    That 0-9 Supreme Court vote (Alito and Thomas would have ruled against Texas on the merits, so don’t kid yourselves that you got two votes) was just Trump running into reality. Something you all are going to have to get back in touch with. Don’t blame Roberts’ adopted children. That’s just more cope.

    This was an unexpectedly good election for Republicans. Even Trump outperformed his polls. It is something to build on, not something to cry over. The first step is holding those two Senate seats in Georgia. Not throwing them away in a temper tantrum. If you have money to give, give it to Perdue and Loeffler. Not some blogger who feeds your delusions.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @Morton's toes
    @Supply and Demand

    https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/82669.The_Life_of_the_Law

    We just need better lawyers and get to work. Nader's book is a tribute to the power of class-action lawsuits. This is how in real life the tobacco companies got taken down. Jack Off Joe and the Skank Ho are small beer compared to Marlboro Man.

    Replies: @Bill

  3. The Supreme Court’s plainly and rightly rejected the Texas Suit on the grounds that with voting software that was not “allowed” to be audited no provable assertion could be made that an election had even taken place.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Here is how elections happen in an advanced country - The Kingdom of Bhutan.

    The photo (still up at time of this posting) shows that to be allowed to vote, Bhutanese voters are required to present TWO forms of photo ID:

    1. "VOTER PHOTO IDENTITY CARD" - caption legible in photograph.

    2. A second form of photo ID - presumably the general purpose ID card.

    Sadly, in countries less advanced than Bhutan, it is simply not be feasible to mandate even ONE form of photo ID.

    https://thewire.in/south-asia/in-major-upset-bhutan-voters-defeat-ruling-pdp-in-first-round-of-national-elections

    Replies: @Anonymous

  4. The SC is scum.

    Trump’s lawsuits were legit.

    The election was NOT legit.

    The country is lost.

    For those who thought that voting matters…..now you know it does not matter.

    The left has free reign now to assume total authoritarian control to impose the most severe anti-white crap you can think of in your wildest dreams.

    But….when people are painted into a corner……

    • Thanks: cronkitsche
    • Replies: @Redman
    @Robert Dolan

    But are “we” a people anymore? I sadly think probably not.

    Here in NYC, COVID has demonstrated to me that we’re not a true nation. The workers (mostly minorities) take the trains and brave the Wuflu. The wealthy whites (mostly from Wall Street) cower and work from home. I want to think otherwise, but the evidence of our resilience is not there.

    Replies: @Kibernetika

  5. Trump is an extraordinarily resilient personality

    Well that’s a relief. But honestly I was more concerned about us non billionares. Trump had plenty of faults but at least he was a populist that loved the country. We won’t see that again in our lifetimes.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    @TestAcctforUnz

    Argh I think you’re right although I’m optimistic the Republicans will (eventually, not in ‘24) learn because the only path forward for a non-PMC party in our racially diverse future is a racially diverse anti-woke populist party a la Bolsonaro. The rump of Rockefeller/Romney/Ryan Republicans will eventually discover that or die trying. Trump, instructive as always about the contradictions and idiocies of our system, will show 8 or 12 or 20 years ahead of time that the Republicans will have no choice but to move towards a policy platform that would have been solidly centrist left wing a generation ago just minus the woke BS.

    Replies: @Ray Caruso

  6. The secession would be a legal matter initially; where would they send the divisions to stop it?

    • Replies: @cronkitsche
    @Billy Shears

    With Democrat-controlled cities surrounded by conservative-dominant rural areas, conventional warfare is not feasible. What's left? More biowarfare. It has worked wonderfully so far.

  7. Steve with all your statistical skills I’m surprised you haven’t weighed in on all the statistical anomalies in this election. You could have a field day

    • Replies: @Noticer of things
    @Johnny Bone

    Steve doesn't even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He's stated that.

    It's shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the "anomalies" and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying, e.g., https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/ (previous two posts on that site also lay out specific "anomalies" that, taken together, are essentially statistically impossible).

    Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind. I think there are some people who just can't bear to believe that the US has already become a banana republic--that includes a lot of his "respectable" readers/commenters here no doubt.

    I'll just say this. I have on occasion donated to Steve in the past, and I appreciate his courageous research on many subjects, but I'd like to focus my future contributions on those who are on the same page on really important issues. Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big. Hopefully he and others can continue to keep an open mind and review the data. I believe more and more people, when they really get a chance to look at the data, will come to understand that there was massive fraud at play.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Keypusher, @Dube, @Anonymous, @TTSSYF, @Corvinus, @TWS, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @ben tillman

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @Johnny Bone

    "Steve with all your statistical skills I’m surprised you haven’t weighed in on all the statistical anomalies in this election"

    Conan Doyle: the dog that didn't bark

    Jonathan Revulsky: High IQ Idiots.

    N. Taleb: Intellectuals yet idiots.

  8. There needs to be a truth and reconciliation commission so that we can come to terms with the white supremacy and misogyny that has dominated the USA the last 4 years (and frankly since the inception).

    This will necessitate a commitment to anti racism and equity.

    This will require sweeping changes to the way we govern, the way we teach our children, the way society is structured and what it means to be American.

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Rigoberto Nunez


    This will require sweeping changes to the way we govern, the way we teach our children, the way society is structured and what it means to be American.
     
    Indeed.
    , @Robert Dolan
    @Rigoberto Nunez

    You should return to the nation of your ancestors.

    By the way, in case you were not aware of it, you are scum.

    , @Hibernian
    @Rigoberto Nunez

    Rigoberto Nunez is Spanish for "Tiny Duck."

    , @Eric Novak
    @Rigoberto Nunez

    Most of us were thinking along the lines of a great repatriation, i.e. massive government incentives to repatriate the tens of millions of uninvited foreign affirmative action beneficiaries who have added themselves to the US population since 1990, who are also responsible for installing a senile pervert and a hostile mulatto grifter as President and Vice President, primarily in order to redistribute what remains of white wealth to themselves. What do you think of that as an alternative?

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @Rigoberto Nunez

    "Truth and reconciliation commission"

    Quack once if you want the standard burning tire filled with unleaded gasoline; quack twice if you want the deluxe whitewall tire, filled with premium petrol.

    , @MB
    @Rigoberto Nunez

    Not to pile on, but if you don't like a country that is predominantly European in ethnic/racial makeup, you are free to move to Nigeria, Pakistan or China for starters.

    Hey wait a minute. How come we got so many immigrants from the same countries? Could it be that the systemic racism patriarchy white supremacy blah blah blah not withstanding they got a better life here?

    Nah, they all must be coming over here at gunpoint.

  9. @Lot
    “ For those talking about secession”

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @JimB, @Redman, @SimpleSong, @fnn, @Desiderius, @RSDB, @BB753, @lavoisier, @bomag, @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman, @ThreeCranes, @Lurker

    OTOH, Americans haven’t been cowed into submission.

    Break the restraints of “Compliance” drummed into people’s heads and then who knows?

    https://www.popcornflix.com/watch/channel/actionthrillers/movie/18-ycdnx8omr6nl-compliance?t=0

  10. As I’ve been saying, don’t step in the kayfabe.

  11. You need to break it to your readers, Steve. There was no stronger empirical case to be made.

    • Troll: botazefa
  12. @Lot
    “ For those talking about secession”

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @JimB, @Redman, @SimpleSong, @fnn, @Desiderius, @RSDB, @BB753, @lavoisier, @bomag, @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman, @ThreeCranes, @Lurker

    The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Especially now that the meritorious people are a powerful oppressor class with all the money and power and no concern for the common good. Their main issue is that they are few and the oppressed are many.

  13. Say what you will a Trump memoir will be far more interesting than Volume VI of XX of Obama’s autobiography.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @415 reasons

    Trump's presidential library will be interesting. Who will staff it? Based on his time in office, I guess his library will be a permanent monument against him. I wish he would put it in Trump Tower and decorate it in brass and pink marble.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Harry Baldwin

    , @James Speaks
    @415 reasons

    At least it would have fewer "ands."

    , @Ian M.
    @415 reasons

    I think to inspire progress on racial justice and to further the cause, Obama should release a new volume of his memoirs every year or so, kinda like J.K. Rowing did with the Harry Potter series. White liberals could generate buzz and express solidarity with marginalized people of color by lining up outside of Barnes and Noble the night before the release date dressed up as their favorite characters from the book, e.g., in blackface for Obama, or with a hooknose for Chuck Schumer, or with football shoulder pads for Michelle Obama...

  14. @Rigoberto Nunez
    There needs to be a truth and reconciliation commission so that we can come to terms with the white supremacy and misogyny that has dominated the USA the last 4 years (and frankly since the inception).

    This will necessitate a commitment to anti racism and equity.

    This will require sweeping changes to the way we govern, the way we teach our children, the way society is structured and what it means to be American.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Robert Dolan, @Hibernian, @Eric Novak, @Gary in Gramercy, @MB

    This will require sweeping changes to the way we govern, the way we teach our children, the way society is structured and what it means to be American.

    Indeed.

  15. There’s always General Flynn’s plan as a backup. I notice the SC rejected the case on procedural grounds (lack of standing) rather than the legal merits. Obviously there were illegal maneuvers to facilitate vote fraud. Who might have had standing to challenge them post vote?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Dutch Boy

    Even if Trump is denied office, people should not stop. I wonder if massive class-action lawsuits could be brought against states. I don't know enough about the law to know if that's possible, but we want the cases to be examined in court so that the evidence can be aired. I don't think big tech would censor coverage of a court case like that.

    Replies: @Anon, @Dave Pinsen

    , @I, Libertine
    @Dutch Boy

    Voters in those four states.

    , @Eagle Eye
    @Dutch Boy


    Who might have had standing to challenge them post vote?
     
    WE HAVE NO INDEPENDENT JUDICIARY at this level. Never did.
  16. The corrupt, decrepit Biden and his Indian sex worker sidekick are going to have a rough time ahead of them. A very large portion of this nation will develop a white hot hatred of them. Probably quite a bit more hatred than the opposition held for Trump.

    Biden finally got his wish. And may it destroy him and every member of his family.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Just another serf

    Just another serf wrote:


    The corrupt, decrepit Biden and his Indian sex worker sidekick are going to have a rough time ahead of them.
     
    The breaking news today was that little Hunter is being investigated for money laundering: I always figured that the $3.5 million was not a gift to Hunter but just an oligarch who needed to launder her money.

    The next four years are going to be miserable for the country but fun for those who view politics as entertainment. My forecast for the next four years:

    The GOP takes one of the two seats in Georgia and narrowly holds the Senate.

    In early 2022, the stock market crashes.

    In mid-2022, Sleepy Joe pardons Hunter.

    In the midterms, the GOP blows the Dems away.

    At the end of 2022, Sleepy Joe admits that 80 years old is just too old to be President and resigns.

    Therefore, Horizontal Harris becomes the first retired sex worker to serve as Prez.

    The Dems realize that Kamala cannot actually get herself elected and a bitter civil war breaks out over the 2024 Dem nomination.

    Kamala gets the nomination and chooses AOC as VP to "heal the party."

    The Donald wins the GOP nomination and chooses Kristi Noem as VP.

    Trump-Noem get 360 electoral votes.

    And happy days are here again!
    -----------------
    My prediction on 11/1/2020 was closer to the mark than I usualy do:

    Trump takes everything he took in 2016 EXCEPT WI and MI for a 280/260 win, but the Dems end up obviously stealing PA, and Trump loses in the courts. So Biden is inaugurated on 1/20/2021.
     
    Of course, I did miss that the Dems would also manage to steal AZ and, of all places, GA! Having grown up "across the river" from Illinois, I should have remembered to never under-estimate the ability of the Dems to steal an election.

    The new Trump slogan: #RememberTheSteal.

    Replies: @gent, @AnotherDad, @Gapeseed

    , @Kylie
    @Just another serf

    "HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE."

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Sam Malone

    , @Flip
    @Just another serf

    Yes, especially since one of Biden's first acts is going to be to clamp down on gun ownership.

  17. @Lot
    “ For those talking about secession”

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @JimB, @Redman, @SimpleSong, @fnn, @Desiderius, @RSDB, @BB753, @lavoisier, @bomag, @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman, @ThreeCranes, @Lurker

    It’s unlikely that there will be a revolutionary crackup. We’ve seen how docile Americans are with the Wuflu fiasco. That was a big test. And we as a nation failed.

    But there’s a whole other level of economic misery we haven’t seen that our grandparents (or at least mine) did. What happens when that hurricane hits is anyone’s guess.

    I tend to think that Steve’s observation that Biden is our Von Hindenburg might be pretty spot on. If anything, there’s now an opening for a true populist to try to seize the throne from a hobbled and demented king in a few years.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @Redman

    Your first two points are spot on, Redman. Americans have demonstrated their large-scale submissiveness. And the economic price to be paid for our leaders’ jackassery will be huge, perhaps catastrophic. I’m skeptical about your third point. At some point, the fissures in the coalition of the fringes will bring it down, but by then it will very likely beyond nationalist/populist resurrection.

    , @Just another serf
    @Redman

    It’s unlikely that there will be a revolutionary crackup. We’ve seen how docile Americans are with the Wuflu fiasco. That was a big test. And we as a nation failed.

    You are ignoring the cumulative effect of this. One insulting, destructive indignity piled on another. Even the most complacent sheep will at some point start biting and kicking. I hope that we are approaching that state.

    Replies: @MB

    , @colm
    @Redman

    Nope. There will NEVER be another election. NEVER. There will be NO opportunity to seize the power back, sorry.

    , @Known Fact
    @Redman

    The brutal treatment Trump has received was in part meant as a warning against any other populist who might want to lead a conservative or white revolt.

  18. @TestAcctforUnz

    Trump is an extraordinarily resilient personality
     
    Well that's a relief. But honestly I was more concerned about us non billionares. Trump had plenty of faults but at least he was a populist that loved the country. We won't see that again in our lifetimes.

    Replies: @415 reasons

    Argh I think you’re right although I’m optimistic the Republicans will (eventually, not in ‘24) learn because the only path forward for a non-PMC party in our racially diverse future is a racially diverse anti-woke populist party a la Bolsonaro. The rump of Rockefeller/Romney/Ryan Republicans will eventually discover that or die trying. Trump, instructive as always about the contradictions and idiocies of our system, will show 8 or 12 or 20 years ahead of time that the Republicans will have no choice but to move towards a policy platform that would have been solidly centrist left wing a generation ago just minus the woke BS.

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
    @415 reasons

    I'm Brazilian and I would like to say that while I appreciate your awareness of my native country's politics, you're missing one crucial factor: although leftists are working diligently to create it, in Brazil there isn't the same kind of racial animus from non-Whites toward Whites that there is in the US. That's why Bolsonaro could be elected as a populist leader in a majority non-White country. That having been said, there was a significant correlation between being White and voting for him, which is a big reason why he failed to win a single state in the country's Northeast region, which has much fewer Whites than the Southeastern and Southern regions. I don't believe anything like Bolsonaro could be replicated in the US. The GOP could try an affirmative-action candidate, but I doubt that would have much appeal for either Whites or non-Whites. Bolsonaro, for all his shortcomings, is a true leader in the sense that he is a self-made man with his own ideas. Someone like Tim Scott or Marco Rubio would be rightly perceived as a mercenary careerist standing athwart the passionate intensity of the Demoncrap cockroaches. Last but not least, there will be the fraud. There was fraud this time. There will always be fraud going forward.

  19. Trump is an extraordinarily resilient personality, so I’m sure he’ll think of some next step in his remarkable career.

    Yeah, I’m sure he’ll have plenty of opportunities to do that from the dank cell that they plan to throw him in before they eventually Epstein him, a plan that they’ve been discussing openly for the past 3 months or so.

    Steve, when did you stop paying attention to reality and start believing what you read in the news? I never really thought of you as a boomer, despite your generational handicap, but this is definitely the most boomer post you’ve ever made. So congratulations, you’ve earned it:

    OK Boomer

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
    • Disagree: ben tillman
    • Troll: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @prek
    @Michael S

    Sad but true.

  20. @Rigoberto Nunez
    There needs to be a truth and reconciliation commission so that we can come to terms with the white supremacy and misogyny that has dominated the USA the last 4 years (and frankly since the inception).

    This will necessitate a commitment to anti racism and equity.

    This will require sweeping changes to the way we govern, the way we teach our children, the way society is structured and what it means to be American.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Robert Dolan, @Hibernian, @Eric Novak, @Gary in Gramercy, @MB

    You should return to the nation of your ancestors.

    By the way, in case you were not aware of it, you are scum.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  21. @Robert Dolan
    The SC is scum.

    Trump's lawsuits were legit.

    The election was NOT legit.

    The country is lost.

    For those who thought that voting matters.....now you know it does not matter.

    The left has free reign now to assume total authoritarian control to impose the most severe anti-white crap you can think of in your wildest dreams.

    But....when people are painted into a corner......

    Replies: @Redman

    But are “we” a people anymore? I sadly think probably not.

    Here in NYC, COVID has demonstrated to me that we’re not a true nation. The workers (mostly minorities) take the trains and brave the Wuflu. The wealthy whites (mostly from Wall Street) cower and work from home. I want to think otherwise, but the evidence of our resilience is not there.

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
    @Redman

    Here in NYC, COVID has demonstrated to me that we’re not a true nation. The workers (mostly minorities) take the trains and brave the Wuflu. The wealthy whites (mostly from Wall Street) cower and work from home. I want to think otherwise, but the evidence of our resilience is not there.

    Good luck to you. It hurts to remember old NYC during the Christmas season. The storefronts with their amazing displays; the bustle, the frenetic but happy shopping in the great stores.

    Remember what these bastiges have taken from us.

  22. anon[302] • Disclaimer says:

    Done Deal
    from NY Daily News

    FDA officials greenlighted the first COVID-19 vaccine on Friday night, allowing the government to put in motion a vaccination campaign to defeat the pandemic.
    Nursing home residents and health care workers are expected to be first in line for the shots of a vaccine produced by Pfizer and a German company, BioNTech.

    I expect Moderna next week. J&J and Astrazeneca in a month oe so. Lots of vaccine pretty soon.

    Meanwhile, the surge in reported cases mean another million + get immunity the hard way.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    @anon

    Meanwhile, the surge in reported cases mean another million + get immunity the hard way.

    I suppose you mean the surge in 'positive tests' via PCR, which isn't actually a test. These PCR results are being used to create the appearance of a pandemic where no such thing actually exists.

  23. @Lot
    “ For those talking about secession”

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @JimB, @Redman, @SimpleSong, @fnn, @Desiderius, @RSDB, @BB753, @lavoisier, @bomag, @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman, @ThreeCranes, @Lurker

    I agree that’s why the U.S. has been stable in the past–they essentially co-opted potential revolutionaries into the system. The talented did better working inside the system than against it.

    I’m not sure if that will hold going forward. Affirmative action moves us away from that in two ways. Most obviously, it destroys opportunities for talented whites and Asians to join powerful institutions as those slots get filled by AA hires. More insidiously, even the people who make it into the power structures end up spending a lot of their time on babysitting the incompetent AAs, planning more diversity training, etc., A lot of people just don’t want that to be what their life is, and they leave.

    We think of affirmative action as an old program but in reality we haven’t felt the full effect yet: the people in leadership positions now are from the relatively early days of AA, when it had a smaller effect as the country was more white. And AA would help you get into a college that was over your head, but afterward not much–however now it seems to apply over pretty much a person’s entire career. So the incompetence is just going to get worse.

    I think we’re approaching a tipping point where there is a lot of very good human capital outside the traditional centers of power, which tends to make the system unstable.

    • Thanks: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @SimpleSong


    I think we’re approaching a tipping point where there is a lot of very good human capital outside the traditional centers of power, which tends to make the system unstable.
     
    Agreed--this is gonna get weird--my crystal ball has only fog at this point.

    The young folks are gonna have to figure this out...

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @SimpleSong

    This. There are a lot of reasonably talented 25-year-old White guys who are waking up to the fact that they're staring down the barrel of 40 years of groveling at diversity training seminars, being trashed on by the media, being passed over for promotions while doing the work for incompetent POC co-workers, and watching other ethnic groups band together.

    What exactly are they giving up by not joining the system.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    , @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    @SimpleSong

    I think there’s an error in what you’re saying but I think it’s very subtle.

    AA and “diversity” aren’t the same thing. The goals of AA are both modest and codified in law and if embraced with the letter and spirit of the law in mind and in assertion, it’s implementation would harm Asians and Europeans little, especially because institutions can affirm publicly they are in compliance so no need to go overboard. This argument gets weaker with “disparate impact” but largely I think it’s defensible.

    “Diversity” is extralegal. It is not found in the law. It’s demands vastly exceed the law and are completely unreasonable and yet: successfully, through extralegal means, diversity and it’s ideology have become dejure convention and the harm is grave and if it isn’t stopped or at least isolated and amputated, it will be mortal.

    Replies: @Rooster10

  24. Grover Cleveland 2, electric boogaloo!

    • Agree: Abe
  25. @Dutch Boy
    There's always General Flynn's plan as a backup. I notice the SC rejected the case on procedural grounds (lack of standing) rather than the legal merits. Obviously there were illegal maneuvers to facilitate vote fraud. Who might have had standing to challenge them post vote?

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @I, Libertine, @Eagle Eye

    Even if Trump is denied office, people should not stop. I wonder if massive class-action lawsuits could be brought against states. I don’t know enough about the law to know if that’s possible, but we want the cases to be examined in court so that the evidence can be aired. I don’t think big tech would censor coverage of a court case like that.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Chrisnonymous

    Every state with a corrupt election process needs the living crap sued out of them. Go after them like a pitbull. We have to put everyone involved in prison.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Harry Baldwin

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous

    The courts aren't on your side. I wouldn't spend a dollar suing over this.

    None of the other powerful institutions in America are on your side either.

    Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions. Keep your opinions secret and apply for government jobs. The best time to start was years ago. The second best time is now.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Pericles, @stealth, @Authenticjazzman, @Corvinus, @Anonymous

  26. Nothing happens today other anger and loathing. Give it a few years. Puppet regimes are unstable when there are multiple factions vying for control. (Kamala is just as much of a puppet as Joe. She has no independent power base.) There will be a crisis, and TPTB will be unable to solve it using their typical tricks (that wouldn’t you know it, benefit themselves). Since they aren’t terribly bright, they will double-down causing further ruin. This crisis will spiral out of control, because for TPTB to change their approach means that they will cede power and influence. They will not feel confident enough to do that. At some point, they will be unable to pay their enforcers, and that’s when things get interesting. (Debasing currency never ends well, even when you have the reserve currency. See Rome during the Crisis of the Third Century. It was effectively the world.) Trump tries to make a return, but by that point history has passed him by. The anger and loathing finds a different, more effective vehicle.

    One more thing: Steve described America as a meritocracy in his piece on succession: Is that really how you would describe it? Do the people in charge really strike you as the best and brightest? Or do they strike you as people who grasped the greasy pole and just kept climbing? Do they strike you instead as someone who was selected because they checked the right boxes and were protected from on high? Isn’t a large part of this blog: a contemporary record of the corruptness and ineptitude of the ruling class? Quite seriously, would an honest, sane man with reasonable views who spoke his mind last more than a few days in the Swamp? (Trump is unreasonable and not quite sane. God bless him.) What we have today is, in the words of Moldbug, “an egalitarian, bureaucratic scientocracy.” It is not based on merit, though that is a useful fiction. It is also insane.

    The question is how do we return to sane government without bloodshed?

    • Agree: Redman, Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @LRFD

    Steve described America as a meritocracy in his piece on succession:

    I did?

    Replies: @LRFD

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @LRFD

    Great point, LFRD (minus the take on Steve Sailer's opinion - I couldn't remember that opinion from a previous post of his either).

    Anyway, that's what I disagree with when reading posts and comments about these big long-term conspiracy theories by the elites. I'm not saying there aren't concrete plans by the Soros' s and those types, such as his evil Secretary of State/AG project. However, lots of elites got there because their parents knew people or spent the big bucks to get them into Harvard, then they had helping hands into the elite ranks in politics and Big Biz, and yes, AA for the non-whites.

    These people aren't smarter than the average fast-food worker, but they are more worldly. This makes them think they know it all and know what's good for us, which is the problem. I don't think they make devious evil plans. They flair around screwing up the country with their stupidity.

    As for your question, we're not. They cannot let us secede for the same reason the Communists couldn't let countries secede for individual keep crossing into W. Berlin.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @LRFD


    One more thing: Steve described America as a meritocracy in his piece on succession: Is that really how you would describe it? Do the people in charge really strike you as the best and brightest? Or do they strike you as people who grasped the greasy pole and just kept climbing? Do they strike you instead as someone who was selected because they checked the right boxes and were protected from on high?
     
    US is a meritocracy, still, in matters that matter- science, technology, top finances, entrepreneurs, even entertainment industry etc.

    But its ceased to be a meritocracy in politics and political classes somewhere during the 60's or 70's. Say what you want, George C. Marshall or JFK, as different as they had been, were capable people & not clowns.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  27. Compromised John Roberts is the poison on the Supreme Court. The libs on the Court are going to do lib. But the three new conservative Trump appointees… John Roberts laid down the law to them. And these three are fool enough to be in awe of Chief Justice John Roberts. This Supreme Court will rule on minor stuff but no balls or courage to rule fairly on 2020 election fraud. “Why ruin my familiy’s Christmas holiday season for Trump, who everyone in DC hates anyway” “I will never get another invite to a prestigious lib cocktails party” Trump? F ‘im. I am not going let him ruin my life and my children’s lives. They will never be able to get into Brown or Harvard”

    With Roberts the SC is 5-4. It is not 6-3.
    And all those here who complain about Trump. You are going to miss him when he’s gone.
    What blackmail does Roberts have hanging over him? The dubious way he and wife adopted two Irish babies. The internet has more on this.

    • Agree: tyrone
    • Replies: @Keypusher
    @Clyde

    The ludicrous Texas lawsuit lost 0-9. Roberts is not your problem. Reality is.

    Replies: @Genrick Yagoda

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Clyde


    “Why ruin my familiy’s Christmas holiday season for Trump, who everyone in DC hates anyway” “I will never get another invite to a prestigious lib cocktails party”
     
    Exactly, Clyde, and the same for Congressmen, Senators and the higher-level bureaucrats - see The Cocktail Party theory of Political Stupidity.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Clyde

    , @Twodees Partain
    @Clyde

    What blackmail does Roberts have hanging over him?

    What would make anyone think that Roberts needs to be blackmailed to make him do this kind of thing? This is how he has behaved since his first day as Chief Justice. If they can get you to ask the wrong questions.....

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @Supply and Demand
    @Clyde

    I'm most certainly not going to miss Trump. I've relocated to China, and he was interrupting a very good grift for us here.

    You guys are jealous you didn't escape the sinking ship in time.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous

  28. Yo golf course boy, watch out for the water hazard:

    “It’s almost as if Trump has a multi-decade track record of playing hardball within the legal system, then accepting what the courts decide.”

  29. For some time I have thought that the US elite has modelled itself on this bunch:

  30. @415 reasons
    Say what you will a Trump memoir will be far more interesting than Volume VI of XX of Obama’s autobiography.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @James Speaks, @Ian M.

    Trump’s presidential library will be interesting. Who will staff it? Based on his time in office, I guess his library will be a permanent monument against him. I wish he would put it in Trump Tower and decorate it in brass and pink marble.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Chrisnonymous

    This is not a time for words, my friend. Not a time for books and ornaments. Rather a time for faith, and resolve.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Chrisnonymous

    Presidential libraries are another asinine aspect of the farce this nation has become. Trump should say he doesn't want a presidential library, as it is a waste of government resources and a shameless, self-aggrandizing institution intended to treat as great statesman the empty suits empty suits that the Deep Sate allows to play president. Trump should treat it like he treated the White House Correspondents' Dinner, as unworthy of participation. To hell with this sleazy whorehouse we call a government and the honors these whores bestow upon themselves.

  31. The Texas lawsuit came out of nowhere. Then suddenly 19 states were suing 4 other states and 126 members of Congress got involved. It was dramatic, and it all happened fast.

    These are not normal times.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Grumpy

    That tells me there are good people in lots of state legislatures, who could become our next populist president — like Trump, but perhaps more effective.

    , @Stebbing Heuer
    @Grumpy

    Exactly.

    And every time an institution pretends 'nothing to see here' or 'stop bothering us', or, as the seatwarmers at the court just did, 'you can't do that', something even less normal is going to happen.

    And very few are ready for what is coming.

  32. @LRFD
    Nothing happens today other anger and loathing. Give it a few years. Puppet regimes are unstable when there are multiple factions vying for control. (Kamala is just as much of a puppet as Joe. She has no independent power base.) There will be a crisis, and TPTB will be unable to solve it using their typical tricks (that wouldn’t you know it, benefit themselves). Since they aren’t terribly bright, they will double-down causing further ruin. This crisis will spiral out of control, because for TPTB to change their approach means that they will cede power and influence. They will not feel confident enough to do that. At some point, they will be unable to pay their enforcers, and that’s when things get interesting. (Debasing currency never ends well, even when you have the reserve currency. See Rome during the Crisis of the Third Century. It was effectively the world.) Trump tries to make a return, but by that point history has passed him by. The anger and loathing finds a different, more effective vehicle.

    One more thing: Steve described America as a meritocracy in his piece on succession: Is that really how you would describe it? Do the people in charge really strike you as the best and brightest? Or do they strike you as people who grasped the greasy pole and just kept climbing? Do they strike you instead as someone who was selected because they checked the right boxes and were protected from on high? Isn’t a large part of this blog: a contemporary record of the corruptness and ineptitude of the ruling class? Quite seriously, would an honest, sane man with reasonable views who spoke his mind last more than a few days in the Swamp? (Trump is unreasonable and not quite sane. God bless him.) What we have today is, in the words of Moldbug, “an egalitarian, bureaucratic scientocracy.” It is not based on merit, though that is a useful fiction. It is also insane.

    The question is how do we return to sane government without bloodshed?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Achmed E. Newman, @Bardon Kaldian

    Steve described America as a meritocracy in his piece on succession:

    I did?

    • Replies: @LRFD
    @Steve Sailer

    I’m wrong. Got it confused with Lot’s earlier comment in my head. Mea culpa, mea culpa. Apologies.

    Replies: @Dutch Boy

  33. @Lot
    “ For those talking about secession”

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @JimB, @Redman, @SimpleSong, @fnn, @Desiderius, @RSDB, @BB753, @lavoisier, @bomag, @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman, @ThreeCranes, @Lurker

    One of the many problems the Empire has is the type of people who volunteer for the US military.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @fnn


    ...the type of people who volunteer for the... military.
     
    There are always too few angels in any endeavor; and it's not like the military rewards angelic behavior.

    I'd say American military has been relatively well behaved overall, considering the numbers and mission.

  34. In other news, the laser dots on Roberts’ head blinked off.

  35. Well I think Trump was the Real Deal Then…A guy Not Controlled by the Globohomo

    However, I think, now We The People are f**ed

    And yeah, I think all the elections have been rigged. I’m even wondering about ethnic groups…maybe Hispanics really aren’t that hostile to Conservatives? Maybe California has been going more Republican than we think but cheating makes it Democrat. I’m not going to give it a lot of space in my brain, but such thoughts are on the table.

    I’m not sure where we go knowing that all big elections (governor and up) are rigged.

    How do we proceed?

    I’m not worried about Trump, I think he loves this s*** and it just makes it all more interesting. It adds to his story. Besides, after 4 years of Dems, a beach vacay sounds pretty good!

  36. @SimpleSong
    @Lot

    I agree that's why the U.S. has been stable in the past--they essentially co-opted potential revolutionaries into the system. The talented did better working inside the system than against it.

    I'm not sure if that will hold going forward. Affirmative action moves us away from that in two ways. Most obviously, it destroys opportunities for talented whites and Asians to join powerful institutions as those slots get filled by AA hires. More insidiously, even the people who make it into the power structures end up spending a lot of their time on babysitting the incompetent AAs, planning more diversity training, etc., A lot of people just don't want that to be what their life is, and they leave.

    We think of affirmative action as an old program but in reality we haven't felt the full effect yet: the people in leadership positions now are from the relatively early days of AA, when it had a smaller effect as the country was more white. And AA would help you get into a college that was over your head, but afterward not much--however now it seems to apply over pretty much a person's entire career. So the incompetence is just going to get worse.

    I think we're approaching a tipping point where there is a lot of very good human capital outside the traditional centers of power, which tends to make the system unstable.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    I think we’re approaching a tipping point where there is a lot of very good human capital outside the traditional centers of power, which tends to make the system unstable.

    Agreed–this is gonna get weird–my crystal ball has only fog at this point.

    The young folks are gonna have to figure this out…

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Justvisiting

    As I tell my daughters. This is your world now, choose wisely.

  37. @Redman
    @Lot

    It’s unlikely that there will be a revolutionary crackup. We’ve seen how docile Americans are with the Wuflu fiasco. That was a big test. And we as a nation failed.

    But there’s a whole other level of economic misery we haven’t seen that our grandparents (or at least mine) did. What happens when that hurricane hits is anyone’s guess.

    I tend to think that Steve’s observation that Biden is our Von Hindenburg might be pretty spot on. If anything, there’s now an opening for a true populist to try to seize the throne from a hobbled and demented king in a few years.

    Replies: @MBlanc46, @Just another serf, @colm, @Known Fact

    Your first two points are spot on, Redman. Americans have demonstrated their large-scale submissiveness. And the economic price to be paid for our leaders’ jackassery will be huge, perhaps catastrophic. I’m skeptical about your third point. At some point, the fissures in the coalition of the fringes will bring it down, but by then it will very likely beyond nationalist/populist resurrection.

  38. What will be interesting going forward is to see what happens to Biden. This week we’ve seen:

    1. Articles about Hunter Biden’s corruption.
    2. Articles about Democrats trying to intervene against a senile politician (Feinstein).
    3. Articles, from the left, criticizing a number of Biden cabinet appointments as being insufficiently Progressive or sensitive enough to minority issues.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if after January 20 there is a serious attempt by leftist democrats to get rid of Biden.

    • Agree: Dutch Boy
    • Replies: @Peterike
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    “ Wouldn’t be surprised if after January 20 there is a serious attempt by leftist democrats to get rid of Biden.”

    Biden won’t last a year.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong

    , @Thoughts
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    BlindGossip said months ago that the Dems were going to get rid of Biden and Kamala would take the presidency...they said Biden agreed to it, that was the only way he got the nomination

    , @Mr. Anon
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    Wouldn’t be surprised if after January 20 there is a serious attempt by leftist democrats to get rid of Biden.
     
    Biden was always just a placeholder. The Democratic Party bosses decided to run President Bait and Vice-President Switch.
    , @Pericles
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    The New Yorker just the other day exposed Dianne Feinstein as a drooling lump, which is presumably a sign of political things to come. Time for a new and more diverse leadership of your country.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/dianne-feinsteins-missteps-raise-a-painful-age-question-among-senate-democrats

  39. @Steve Sailer
    @LRFD

    Steve described America as a meritocracy in his piece on succession:

    I did?

    Replies: @LRFD

    I’m wrong. Got it confused with Lot’s earlier comment in my head. Mea culpa, mea culpa. Apologies.

    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
    @LRFD

    You forgot the last words: mea maxima culpa!

  40. Banana republic!!

    Or more like matzoh republic. 2021 is gonna be lit.

    Steve, you have at best two years until you and Unz are shut down by hate speech laws. Start saving money big time.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    @Peterike

    Money?

    Replies: @Bill

    , @Known Fact
    @Peterike


    Steve, you have at best two years until you and Unz are shut down by hate speech laws.
     
    Or maybe two months. That "website maintainance" here yesterday may have been a dry run
  41. @NJ Transit Commuter
    What will be interesting going forward is to see what happens to Biden. This week we’ve seen:

    1. Articles about Hunter Biden’s corruption.
    2. Articles about Democrats trying to intervene against a senile politician (Feinstein).
    3. Articles, from the left, criticizing a number of Biden cabinet appointments as being insufficiently Progressive or sensitive enough to minority issues.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if after January 20 there is a serious attempt by leftist democrats to get rid of Biden.

    Replies: @Peterike, @Thoughts, @Mr. Anon, @Pericles

    “ Wouldn’t be surprised if after January 20 there is a serious attempt by leftist democrats to get rid of Biden.”

    Biden won’t last a year.

    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
    @Peterike

    Then KH will have 11+ years to transform these United States!

  42. If a U.S. state’s executive authorities can subvert its own constitution, its own legislature AND the U.S. constitution, and have its own highest court support the subversion, how is it different from any third world dictatorship? And if that subversion saddles the other states of the nation with a regime that has promised to increase their taxes, open their borders and dilute their influence by increasing the number of states, how can they not have “standing” to seek redress?

    This is democracy? The world is laughing at us.

    • Replies: @brabantian
    @Joseph Doaks

    US courts have been known internationally for decades, to be of little value to anyone except the US oligarchy, the milestone of Supreme Court descent into total hell perhaps reached 27 years ago
    https://i.ibb.co/T0H1mss/Leonel-Torres-Herrera.jpg

    A legal scholar who is a Harvard classmate of US Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, was forced to go into exile in Europe after US federal judges took part in a criminal scheme threatening to murder him ... and he now provides US legal system victims with a FAQ on US Judicial and Legal Corruption -


    A Guide for the Perplexed victims of US legal corruption, particularly common working people, minorities, and the vulnerable, when mauled by sadistic lying judges and gangster lawyers.

    Legal injustice victims are often in agony, mystified by how no one seems willing to help, after betrayal and abuse by courts, counsel, prosecutors, politicians, media, and bent 'bar ethics' and 'civil liberties' groups.
     
  43. @NJ Transit Commuter
    What will be interesting going forward is to see what happens to Biden. This week we’ve seen:

    1. Articles about Hunter Biden’s corruption.
    2. Articles about Democrats trying to intervene against a senile politician (Feinstein).
    3. Articles, from the left, criticizing a number of Biden cabinet appointments as being insufficiently Progressive or sensitive enough to minority issues.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if after January 20 there is a serious attempt by leftist democrats to get rid of Biden.

    Replies: @Peterike, @Thoughts, @Mr. Anon, @Pericles

    BlindGossip said months ago that the Dems were going to get rid of Biden and Kamala would take the presidency…they said Biden agreed to it, that was the only way he got the nomination

  44. @Redman
    @Lot

    It’s unlikely that there will be a revolutionary crackup. We’ve seen how docile Americans are with the Wuflu fiasco. That was a big test. And we as a nation failed.

    But there’s a whole other level of economic misery we haven’t seen that our grandparents (or at least mine) did. What happens when that hurricane hits is anyone’s guess.

    I tend to think that Steve’s observation that Biden is our Von Hindenburg might be pretty spot on. If anything, there’s now an opening for a true populist to try to seize the throne from a hobbled and demented king in a few years.

    Replies: @MBlanc46, @Just another serf, @colm, @Known Fact

    It’s unlikely that there will be a revolutionary crackup. We’ve seen how docile Americans are with the Wuflu fiasco. That was a big test. And we as a nation failed.

    You are ignoring the cumulative effect of this. One insulting, destructive indignity piled on another. Even the most complacent sheep will at some point start biting and kicking. I hope that we are approaching that state.

    • Replies: @MB
    @Just another serf

    It's a crapshoot.
    There's no guarantee the sheep will react before the Revolution consolidates control.
    IIRC Solzhenitsyn said communism was a black hole and once a country fell in, it took a long time to climb out, if ever.

  45. Nothing’s going to happen. You want a “revolution” disrupting your life more than it is already?

    Revolution means we starve. More than we are already.

    To have a real revolution that doesn’t starve a lot of people, you need an enlightened cadre. Where you gonna find them?

    • Agree: Abe
    • Replies: @colm
    @obwandiyag

    Well, that's what happens in your native Africa

  46. @Johnny Bone
    Steve with all your statistical skills I’m surprised you haven’t weighed in on all the statistical anomalies in this election. You could have a field day

    Replies: @Noticer of things, @Peter D. Bredon

    Steve doesn’t even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He’s stated that.

    It’s shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the “anomalies” and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying, e.g., https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/ (previous two posts on that site also lay out specific “anomalies” that, taken together, are essentially statistically impossible).

    Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind. I think there are some people who just can’t bear to believe that the US has already become a banana republic–that includes a lot of his “respectable” readers/commenters here no doubt.

    I’ll just say this. I have on occasion donated to Steve in the past, and I appreciate his courageous research on many subjects, but I’d like to focus my future contributions on those who are on the same page on really important issues. Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big. Hopefully he and others can continue to keep an open mind and review the data. I believe more and more people, when they really get a chance to look at the data, will come to understand that there was massive fraud at play.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Noticer of things

    There likely was, but we can’t be sure. There are ways to make sure we can be sure, and those were wantonly abrogated, which is the real scandal, and was the heart of the very reasonable SCOTUS suit.

    This is the Roberts Court. This is what they do, and his malign influence has seeped down now throughout the judiciary and into the culture. Nonjudgmentalism is nihilism with plausible deniability.

    , @Keypusher
    @Noticer of things

    Suckers always find their swindlers.

    , @Dube
    @Noticer of things

    I've raised this point previously: according to repeated reports, the counts shut down for hours in key locations. This is unprecedented, and requires explanation.

    For whomever disregards or dismisses that question - well, as Diogenes put it while holding a lantern up to people's faces in broad daylight: I'm looking for an honest man.

    , @Anonymous
    @Noticer of things

    Nobody who isn't anonymous or living out in the middle of nowhere is free to publicly discuss this issue.

    , @TTSSYF
    @Noticer of things

    I was surprised to hear Mr. Sailer nonchalantly assert that he didn't think there was any election fraud sufficient to have allowed Biden to edge Trump out for the win. Personally, I find his whimming when it comes to posting comments and replies to be unnecessarily drawn-out and annoying. I often find the comments and the back-and-forth more entertaining than the blog, especially when some of you guys really slug it out.

    I donate to Judicial Watch and to animal protection organizations. I think I'll start regular donations to AmRen.

    , @Corvinus
    @Noticer of things

    "Steve doesn’t even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He’s stated that."

    Right, but he will tacitly endorse that narrative, because it is tin cup time.

    "It’s shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the “anomalies” and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying"

    I would say he did study them, and he NOTICED that the evidence simply does not support Trump's claim of massive, widespread voter fraud. Remember, Trump stated he was going to win no matter what. When he won, there was no/limited fraud. But when he lost, there was huge fraud. He claims he won CONVINCINGLY. That is insane.

    Is it not reasonable to believe that just enough voters had decided on their own accord to NOT support him in 2020, much in the same manner that just enough voters chose of their own volition to NOT support Shitlery in 2016, because of their own actions? Why?

    "Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind".

    You mean videos that show conclusive proof of individuals engaging in vote switching, ballot harvesting, vote dumping, etc.? Please provide links.

    As far as those eyewitnesses, they are claims. So why should we automatically believe them about what they saw, given how Trump lawyers do not make those accusations in court...

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

    and a number of those accusations have been debunked?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/business/media/voter-fraud-misinformation.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8938507/Donald-Trumps-234-pages-fraud-affidavits-include-unusual-claims.html

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/false-misleading-trump-team-claims-election-fraud/story?id=74179247

    So, perhaps you can keep an open mind and review the data.

    "Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big".

    Assuming there was this massive, widespread fraud as claimed by Trump. But perhaps you can demonstrate how:

    1) the U.S. Army seized servers for Dominion in Germany;

    2) his cyber team has in its possession a Dominion machine from Ware County, Georgia with clear proof that votes had been purposely switched for Biden;

    3) his cyber team has clear proof that Dominion machines in Antrim County, Michigan automatically switched votes from Biden to Trump -and-

    4) Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act and declare martial law by the end of December.

    Replies: @Noticer of things, @anon, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Reg Cæsar, @TomSchmidt

    , @TWS
    @Noticer of things

    Steve would be terrified if allowed himself to go down this road. None of his numbers analysts none of his population comparisons, nothing would matter except that the election was the most fraudulent ever in America.

    It means no election going forward will be remotely honest. Like all gray men he'll bow his head and if pushed he'll call the deer a horse. He'll raise his boys to keep their heads down and crawl. There'll be room for guys who understand numbers at least for a while.

    Unless Trump crosses the Rubicon which Steve is certain he won't, America as a nation is done.

    It'll be like Rome. They'll still call it America but it will bear no relation to the nation we lost.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @Noticer of things

    "Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind."

    A teachable moment, as the Left would say. The IQ nerds and HBD fetishists always get so frustrated with "dumb" normies who would rather agree with what their neighbors and class think, than "open their eyes" and "just look at the statistics" on race, IQ, crime etc.

    Maybe having one of their own, a leader in fact, turn out to be just another normie when it comes to the one most important issue of the day, will teach them some humility.

    "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

    , @James O'Meara
    @Noticer of things

    "Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big. Hopefully he and others can continue to keep an open mind and review the data. I believe more and more people, when they really get a chance to look at the data, will come to understand that there was massive fraud at play."

    Noam Chomsky used to mock those who said "After X (JFK, Watergate, 9/11, whatever) America lost its innocence"; he would point out that America had no innocence to lose.

    Well, this is another such moment. The Maine, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Tonkin Bay, Dallas, Watergate, 9/11. Some people "get it" and others don't; the latter don't even notice that their phrase "conspiracy theory" was coined by the CIA.

    Since so many millions participated in the fake "election" event, maybe this is the tipping point where a sizable number of people realize that things aren't true because the TV says so.

    , @ben tillman
    @Noticer of things


    Steve doesn’t even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He’s stated that.

    It’s shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the “anomalies” and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying, e.g., https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/ (previous two posts on that site also lay out specific “anomalies” that, taken together, are essentially statistically impossible).
     
    Funny how neither you nor anyone else posted any links to any numbers or anomalies on this blog over the last five weeks.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

  47. @Clyde
    Compromised John Roberts is the poison on the Supreme Court. The libs on the Court are going to do lib. But the three new conservative Trump appointees... John Roberts laid down the law to them. And these three are fool enough to be in awe of Chief Justice John Roberts. This Supreme Court will rule on minor stuff but no balls or courage to rule fairly on 2020 election fraud. "Why ruin my familiy's Christmas holiday season for Trump, who everyone in DC hates anyway" "I will never get another invite to a prestigious lib cocktails party" Trump? F 'im. I am not going let him ruin my life and my children's lives. They will never be able to get into Brown or Harvard"

    With Roberts the SC is 5-4. It is not 6-3.
    And all those here who complain about Trump. You are going to miss him when he's gone.
    What blackmail does Roberts have hanging over him? The dubious way he and wife adopted two Irish babies. The internet has more on this.

    Replies: @Keypusher, @Achmed E. Newman, @Twodees Partain, @Supply and Demand

    The ludicrous Texas lawsuit lost 0-9. Roberts is not your problem. Reality is.

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    @Keypusher

    Over a lack of standing, not on the merits. And it was 7-2 on that issue.

    How does that make the case "ludicrous"? Do you think all of the 19 AG's who joined their states are stupid?

    Replies: @keypusher

  48. Going forward, I’m interested in what the Left will succeed in putting into law or policy:

    – Green New Deal as our National Policy?
    – Defund police and prisons?
    – Every illegal given temporary papers, and placed on a path to citizenship?
    – Socialist control of the economy, particularly health care?
    – Big Tech censorship applied to the entire internet?
    – China back on track to become world’s sole superpower?
    – Reparations?
    – State-controlled public school mandated?
    – Gun confiscation?

    Or will Democrat leaders realize that many Trump policies actually worked, and they’ll keep them and take full credit, cheered by the main stream media and Big Tech?

    All of the above are actually on the table if Democrats win both seats in the Georgia runoff election on January 5th.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Anon7

    Who gives a rat's ass. can't you see that the candle is gone?

    Replies: @Anon7

    , @Dmon
    @Anon7

    Harris will head the Central Authority for Societal Transfer of Equity system. This program will implement executive-decreed reparations for all persons qualifying as National Wealth Ordained Recipient Designees.
    Once China gets ahold of Taiwan and TSM, they'll have all of Apple's IP plus one of the world's two 5nm foundries, so short Apple/long Huawei.
    This is how China deals with their Jack Dorsey's. It's far superior to our system - I don't remember seeing a single picture of Roger Stone being led away in chains. Note also that everyone is wearing a mask. A responsible government puts safety above all else - wouldn't want him to die from Covid before they can Epstein him in his cell. I was under the impression they had stopped the 'rona dead in it's tracks back in March, but you can't be too careful.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/12/hong-kongs-jimmy-lai-in-court-to-face-national-security-charges

    Replies: @clyde

  49. @Rigoberto Nunez
    There needs to be a truth and reconciliation commission so that we can come to terms with the white supremacy and misogyny that has dominated the USA the last 4 years (and frankly since the inception).

    This will necessitate a commitment to anti racism and equity.

    This will require sweeping changes to the way we govern, the way we teach our children, the way society is structured and what it means to be American.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Robert Dolan, @Hibernian, @Eric Novak, @Gary in Gramercy, @MB

    Rigoberto Nunez is Spanish for “Tiny Duck.”

    • LOL: Ron Mexico
  50. @LRFD
    @Steve Sailer

    I’m wrong. Got it confused with Lot’s earlier comment in my head. Mea culpa, mea culpa. Apologies.

    Replies: @Dutch Boy

    You forgot the last words: mea maxima culpa!

  51. @Lot
    “ For those talking about secession”

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @JimB, @Redman, @SimpleSong, @fnn, @Desiderius, @RSDB, @BB753, @lavoisier, @bomag, @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman, @ThreeCranes, @Lurker

    Yeah I don’t think cake eating is going to be real popular going forward, especially when the first thing the GOP Senate did post-election was unanimously open the doors for an unlimited flood of Asian “merit,” but thx for the concern all the same.

    You think 80% of the GOP and 87% of Trump supporters considering the election illegitimate followed by all the processes within our system put there to shore up legitimacy summarily ignored is just going to go down smooth I don’t know what to tell you.

    You read history and wonder how the fat and happy could grow so blind and decadent and here we get to live right through it. Interesting times.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
    @Desiderius

    This.

    For the past year while I've been prepping for what is now certain to come, I've been scratching my head thinking 'Why can't they see what is so obvious?'

    I realise now it's enough to know that they can't, and to prepare accordingly.

  52. @Noticer of things
    @Johnny Bone

    Steve doesn't even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He's stated that.

    It's shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the "anomalies" and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying, e.g., https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/ (previous two posts on that site also lay out specific "anomalies" that, taken together, are essentially statistically impossible).

    Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind. I think there are some people who just can't bear to believe that the US has already become a banana republic--that includes a lot of his "respectable" readers/commenters here no doubt.

    I'll just say this. I have on occasion donated to Steve in the past, and I appreciate his courageous research on many subjects, but I'd like to focus my future contributions on those who are on the same page on really important issues. Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big. Hopefully he and others can continue to keep an open mind and review the data. I believe more and more people, when they really get a chance to look at the data, will come to understand that there was massive fraud at play.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Keypusher, @Dube, @Anonymous, @TTSSYF, @Corvinus, @TWS, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @ben tillman

    There likely was, but we can’t be sure. There are ways to make sure we can be sure, and those were wantonly abrogated, which is the real scandal, and was the heart of the very reasonable SCOTUS suit.

    This is the Roberts Court. This is what they do, and his malign influence has seeped down now throughout the judiciary and into the culture. Nonjudgmentalism is nihilism with plausible deniability.

  53. This isn’t over. According to the Q Anon people, there’s lots of stuff going on behind the scenes:

    https://twitter.com/lebronsonroids/status/1337488077095366657

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anon


    According to the Q Anon people, there’s lots of stuff going on behind the scenes:
     
    Q-Anon is utter bulls**t. It was probably dreamt up by the CIA or some other set of government spooks to distract and pacify the 'Murica crowd and re-direct their energies into a fruitless waste of time and effort.
    , @semeonx
    @Anon

    Does posting such drivel amuse you so much you would bother.

    Seriously, the PLA can build an underground bunker in the US and staff it with at least 50 K troops.

    Or did they dig themselves a tunnel from China. ???

    Replies: @James O'Meara

  54. To be a banana republic we’d need to be a republic.

    At this point all we have is the banana.

  55. We live in a country where the oligarchs can invalidate the results of any election by pumping up fake votes in a handful of rotten boroughs.

    The fact that they did it in so many states shows that Trump would have had a hard time stopping it no matter what advance legal maneuvers he put in place.

    They had the election officials and courts bought and paid for/compromised in these key states. How could Trump have played defense against that.

    The scary part is that they can do it with such impugnity. If we don’t stop this we are nothing more than peasants.

  56. @NJ Transit Commuter
    What will be interesting going forward is to see what happens to Biden. This week we’ve seen:

    1. Articles about Hunter Biden’s corruption.
    2. Articles about Democrats trying to intervene against a senile politician (Feinstein).
    3. Articles, from the left, criticizing a number of Biden cabinet appointments as being insufficiently Progressive or sensitive enough to minority issues.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if after January 20 there is a serious attempt by leftist democrats to get rid of Biden.

    Replies: @Peterike, @Thoughts, @Mr. Anon, @Pericles

    Wouldn’t be surprised if after January 20 there is a serious attempt by leftist democrats to get rid of Biden.

    Biden was always just a placeholder. The Democratic Party bosses decided to run President Bait and Vice-President Switch.

  57. @Chrisnonymous
    @415 reasons

    Trump's presidential library will be interesting. Who will staff it? Based on his time in office, I guess his library will be a permanent monument against him. I wish he would put it in Trump Tower and decorate it in brass and pink marble.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Harry Baldwin

    This is not a time for words, my friend. Not a time for books and ornaments. Rather a time for faith, and resolve.

  58. “With more careful planning ahead of the election, the Trump Administration might have put together a stronger legal and empirical case ..”

    Or they could have taken actions to make fraud harder. If they were actually concerned about it.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @James B. Shearer

    If big tech and the deep state were more powerful, they could have pulled off the coup without any fingerprints or witnesses. But they were desperate and had to make their move. The silver lining is that this treachery will live on in infamy. It is literally the knife in the back which cannot be forgiven, only atoned by revenge and humiliation.

    This whole shit show will tease itself out one fact and one mathematical certainty at a time. drip, drip, drip. Somehow, I think that FB, twitter, and Google thought they would just wake up the next day and everyone would have forgotten about it; after all, they are not reporting on it, but no, it will be pulled out in exquisite granular detail to where even most willfully blind will know it, even if only in their dark hearts.

  59. The Supreme Court was never going to weigh in on this. They don’t want to be seen as taking sides.

    Still the Democrats cheated, perhaps on an unprecedented scale. Ramming through wide-scale mail-in voting enabled cheating, and they planned to do that even before COVID. Joe Biden’s campaign cheated, even though he might well have won without cheating. He should be treated as an illegitimate President just as they treated Trump. And his replacement, Kamala Harris too. And at least about a third of the country will view them as such.

    The Biden administration is already aligning themselves with the Davos-swine and pushing their “Great Reset”. Any notion that the government has legitimate authority anymore is foolish.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
    @Mr. Anon

    I doubt it. The Supreme Court has made it clear that they have taken the side of the political left for years and years. The fact is, the Supreme Court is controlled by the same left that controls the rest of the U.S. and has controlled it in every single way that matters ever since the end of the second world war. With the defeat of the authoritarian governments, the communist left had a free hand in every single Western Nation on earth, INCLUDING the good old U.S.A. There has never been an issue that the left has eventually prevailed with and there never will be. Americans don't have the stomach to stand up for their rights. Witness the bending of the knees, the bullying they allow themselves to suffer and all the rest.

  60. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    The USSC order states that Texas does not have a “cognizable interest” in the manner in which another state conducts its “elections.” I will cognize it. This was not any old election. This was a presidential election, the result of which would be to elect an open-borders President, and party, to assume control of immigration. Texas — USSC, get out a map — is a border state. The petitioning states were electing to tell Texas citizens to reduce their wages and social services by reason of increased immigration. In sum, the suit was about wages and social services, not the details of election procedures.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    @Anon

    I agree that the claim of lack of standing is wrong. If a state has no standing in this case, then the very idea of standing is voided. Roberts habitually makes statements in his opinions that are so wrong as to be farcical. That only two other justices wrote dissents is somewhat telling, as well.

    The state of Texas obviously has standing to bring suit, regardless of whether the Chief Justice disagrees with the merits of the case. Decision on the merits should be addressed at trial. The Chief Justice apparently believes that his views on the merits of a case determines the issue of standing to bring a suit. He's wrong.

    That Trump's 3 "conservative" appointees couldn't even be bothered to enter dissenting opinions shows that they are, like most Trump appointees, useless for the supposed purposes behind their appointments.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Hibernian

  61. Done with this idiot boomer blog. Lots of wasted time on here.

    The one message from 2020 is that political violence works.

    Have fun discussing baseball stats while others are fighting and dying for our culture.

    • Replies: @anon
    @anon

    Have fun discussing baseball stats while others are fighting and dying for our culture.

    Looks like you'll get your chance tomorrow.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Annakhait/status/1337600067352612864

    Supposedly, antifa have been crowdfunding to buy weapons to bring to the Stop The Steal rally tomorrow.

    Could be an interesting day.

    Of course, if we've learned anything over the past four years, it's that antifa gets to attack white people all they want, and you'll go to prison for fighting back, so I don't know if "interesting" is good, necessarily. But still.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @Anonymous
    @anon

    Fedposting is not wanted here.

    , @James Braxton
    @anon

    Steve is 4-P like Alvy Singer, in the event of civil war he is a hostage.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @TWS
    @anon

    Pretty hard to disagree with. Steve owes us nothing. But he does owe himself some honesty.

    A stoic would be honest. A Christian would proclaim the truth. Steve can't force himself to write what really happened.

    I've seen it with several guys. They are rightly terrified of civil war. And so they pretend it's not there.

    You can ignore a shadow in your closet when you're a kid. It's just a shadow. When you're a grown man and you hear glass break, your wife screaming for help, you don't ignore it and hope it goes away.

    , @Anonymous
    @anon

    The Founding Fathers said "Liberty or death." The Vikings spoke of Valhalla. The Romans accepted we're on a one-way Via Nothingness.

    To Steve and his ilk, these beliefs are bumper stickers or a classic rock theme. He and his generation are little more than the kid by the Christmas Tree, holding some gibs, unable to comprehend the system which created their prosperity or freedom.

    Once young men accept the Feds can only kill you once -- and they inevitably will, now or later -- the system will be righted.

    Replies: @Trinity

    , @ben tillman
    @anon


    Done with this idiot boomer blog. Lots of wasted time on here.

    The one message from 2020 is that political violence works.

    Have fun discussing baseball stats while others are fighting and dying for our culture.
     

    Dying for our "culture"? That's as "boomer" as it gets. I'm going to be dying for my PEOPLE.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  62. @Anon
    This isn't over. According to the Q Anon people, there's lots of stuff going on behind the scenes:

    https://twitter.com/lebronsonroids/status/1337488077095366657

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @semeonx

    According to the Q Anon people, there’s lots of stuff going on behind the scenes:

    Q-Anon is utter bulls**t. It was probably dreamt up by the CIA or some other set of government spooks to distract and pacify the ‘Murica crowd and re-direct their energies into a fruitless waste of time and effort.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  63. @Anon7
    Going forward, I’m interested in what the Left will succeed in putting into law or policy:

    - Green New Deal as our National Policy?
    - Defund police and prisons?
    - Every illegal given temporary papers, and placed on a path to citizenship?
    - Socialist control of the economy, particularly health care?
    - Big Tech censorship applied to the entire internet?
    - China back on track to become world’s sole superpower?
    - Reparations?
    - State-controlled public school mandated?
    - Gun confiscation?

    Or will Democrat leaders realize that many Trump policies actually worked, and they’ll keep them and take full credit, cheered by the main stream media and Big Tech?

    All of the above are actually on the table if Democrats win both seats in the Georgia runoff election on January 5th.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Dmon

    Who gives a rat’s ass. can’t you see that the candle is gone?

    • Replies: @Anon7
    @Neil Templeton

    Now that the Swamp has drained Trump, will America's real owners tolerate the extremes of Leftism? That's the big question that underlies my list of questions.

    The January 5th runoff election in Georgia will answer my big question. Since we now know that state elections are not under federal scrutiny (per SCOTUS), the election will be rigged. But rigged how?

    If Republicans retain control of the Senate, some of the worst impulses of the Left might be restrained. And if that's preferable to America's real owners, that is what will happen.

  64. @Noticer of things
    @Johnny Bone

    Steve doesn't even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He's stated that.

    It's shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the "anomalies" and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying, e.g., https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/ (previous two posts on that site also lay out specific "anomalies" that, taken together, are essentially statistically impossible).

    Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind. I think there are some people who just can't bear to believe that the US has already become a banana republic--that includes a lot of his "respectable" readers/commenters here no doubt.

    I'll just say this. I have on occasion donated to Steve in the past, and I appreciate his courageous research on many subjects, but I'd like to focus my future contributions on those who are on the same page on really important issues. Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big. Hopefully he and others can continue to keep an open mind and review the data. I believe more and more people, when they really get a chance to look at the data, will come to understand that there was massive fraud at play.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Keypusher, @Dube, @Anonymous, @TTSSYF, @Corvinus, @TWS, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @ben tillman

    Suckers always find their swindlers.

  65. The United States is already becoming a target of ridicule around
    the world, esp. in places like China and Russia. Here’s a term of
    endearment that might be fittingly applied to Americans – “granola-eating
    surrender monkeys.” “Third-World S***hole,” is not original, but due to
    the growing squalor of American cities, is becoming more and more apt
    with each passing year. White Americans will join the American
    Indians, and we’ll have two defeated peoples living in the U.S.
    territory

  66. I’ve got a bumper sticker idea:

    TRUMP 2024: NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!

    • Agree: Gary in Gramercy
    • Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    @Harry Baldwin

    I'm fond of:

    BUCK FIDEN

    , @colm
    @Harry Baldwin

    But the Trump would be Ivanka or some other Trump. The original one would be in Gitmo

  67. @415 reasons
    Say what you will a Trump memoir will be far more interesting than Volume VI of XX of Obama’s autobiography.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @James Speaks, @Ian M.

    At least it would have fewer “ands.”

  68. Oh nice news. I now get to keep the feather in my hat, since I have repeatedly predicted for years that if push comes to shove, the U.S. Supreme Court, will NEVER save this country from leftist and far leftist abominations. You see, the reason for my apparent arrogance, is that I concluded long ago that the left completely controls the U.S., all of its big Institutions IN EVERY WAY THAT MATTERS. The Republican party is simply a faux political entity and just around to make it seem as if the U.S. actually has democracy, or a two party system. It does not. In every single issue that matters during the last 70 plus years, the left has won out. Republican politicians are only good for blowing smoke out of their ..Bleep and useless to conservative Americans. What just happened with the “Supreme Court”, its utter disregard for voters, proved what Republican politicians are all about. All three of the GOONS president Trump appointed, BETRAYED HIM AND HIS SUPPORTERS…..

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    The role of the Republican party is the same role assigned to the Washington Generals, the team that plays against the Harlem Globetrotters.

    They're not supposed to win, but just give a pretense of opposition while Meadowlark Lemon does his schtick, gets his laughs from the crowd, then does another slam dunk.

    Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich, @Neil Templeton

  69. Americans are not used to being treated with contempt by the rest
    of the world, but they will be

  70. @Redman
    @Robert Dolan

    But are “we” a people anymore? I sadly think probably not.

    Here in NYC, COVID has demonstrated to me that we’re not a true nation. The workers (mostly minorities) take the trains and brave the Wuflu. The wealthy whites (mostly from Wall Street) cower and work from home. I want to think otherwise, but the evidence of our resilience is not there.

    Replies: @Kibernetika

    Here in NYC, COVID has demonstrated to me that we’re not a true nation. The workers (mostly minorities) take the trains and brave the Wuflu. The wealthy whites (mostly from Wall Street) cower and work from home. I want to think otherwise, but the evidence of our resilience is not there.

    Good luck to you. It hurts to remember old NYC during the Christmas season. The storefronts with their amazing displays; the bustle, the frenetic but happy shopping in the great stores.

    Remember what these bastiges have taken from us.

  71. @Mr. Anon
    The Supreme Court was never going to weigh in on this. They don't want to be seen as taking sides.

    Still the Democrats cheated, perhaps on an unprecedented scale. Ramming through wide-scale mail-in voting enabled cheating, and they planned to do that even before COVID. Joe Biden's campaign cheated, even though he might well have won without cheating. He should be treated as an illegitimate President just as they treated Trump. And his replacement, Kamala Harris too. And at least about a third of the country will view them as such.

    The Biden administration is already aligning themselves with the Davos-swine and pushing their "Great Reset". Any notion that the government has legitimate authority anymore is foolish.

    Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    I doubt it. The Supreme Court has made it clear that they have taken the side of the political left for years and years. The fact is, the Supreme Court is controlled by the same left that controls the rest of the U.S. and has controlled it in every single way that matters ever since the end of the second world war. With the defeat of the authoritarian governments, the communist left had a free hand in every single Western Nation on earth, INCLUDING the good old U.S.A. There has never been an issue that the left has eventually prevailed with and there never will be. Americans don’t have the stomach to stand up for their rights. Witness the bending of the knees, the bullying they allow themselves to suffer and all the rest.

  72. @Anon
    This isn't over. According to the Q Anon people, there's lots of stuff going on behind the scenes:

    https://twitter.com/lebronsonroids/status/1337488077095366657

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @semeonx

    Does posting such drivel amuse you so much you would bother.

    Seriously, the PLA can build an underground bunker in the US and staff it with at least 50 K troops.

    Or did they dig themselves a tunnel from China. ???

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @semeonx

    Old school stuff. Back when Al Smith was running for President, the KKK newspapers published a photo of him at the opening of the Holland Tunnel. The photo was real, but the caption informed the proto-MAGA voters that this was a tunnel from NYC to Holland, through which the Pope would travel to consult with Smith. On bicycle, I suppose.

  73. With more careful planning ahead of the election, the Trump Administration might have put together a stronger legal and empirical case

    I don’t know, the brief by the President’s counsel seemed pretty compelling: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163234/20201209155327055_No.%2022O155%20Original%20Motion%20to%20Intervene.pdf

    You’re on firmer ground here,

    But it was never very likely that the 6-3 GOP majority on the Supreme Court would open themselves up to certain vengeance down the road by Democratic court-packers merely to give Donald Trump another term.

    But all this kowtowing to the left raises the prospect of vengeance from the right:

    https://twitter.com/andyswan/status/1337621904396578818?s=21

  74. Anon[319] • Disclaimer says:

    The Supreme Court has just set a precedent that it’s now legal for every presidential election to be stolen. The Democrats will start trying to steal every presidential election forever, now that the Highest Court in the Land has decided it has no business making sure the USA has fair and honest elections, and that the system of democracy needs no protection. The Supreme Court just tore up the Constitution. There is no longer a Constitution based on democratic principles if there is no democracy anymore.

    This is a horrible precedent. We’ve begun the first step of forever leaving democracy behind and turning into a tyranny.

    We’re officially new Romans crying over the death of the old Roman Republic.

    The USA will never recover from this.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Right, everyone was assuming that the era of Democrat permanent government would begin when whites became a minority. This postal voting fraud thing has brought that date forward 20 years.

  75. No Steve, try not to be stuck in the 1980s. Any sane, sober appreciation of the system points toward violent civil war and nothing else. Nothing else is literally possible.

    Biden’s team stole the election. The stealing would not matter as much if it were Kennedy-Nixon, other than personalities and which gang of thieves steals more, and patronage, but here the stakes are much, much higher. Kennedy’s people did not talk of putting Nixon’s people in forced labor camps after public humiliation. They did not talk of seizing everything from White people to give to blacks. They did not talk of open borders and instant citizenship for any illegal with a third of the workforce now permanently unemployed and likely half after the next spate of lockdowns, nor packing the court, nor sending the last few jobs to China or Indian H1 B workers while instituting lockdowns that never ever end. With massive unemployment and nothing in the pipeline for good paying jobs. Oh and abolishing the police and opening prisons, but just for blacks. Who are now legally entitled to prey upon Whites for any reason at all.

    Worse, as illegitimate as he is, Biden was a public and known quantity who was Obama’s VP. Kamasutra is an incompetent whore who could not even manage simple competence as AG. She won not a single primary, and is seen rightly as:

    A. A Whore pure and simple.
    B. Incompetent with the charm of a rattlesnake and the disposition of a black widow spider.
    C. Militantly anti-White in her aims and disposition.
    D. Illegitimate in that no one voted for her and she’s the heir to the thief who stole the election.

    Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra’s camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for “war crimes” related to blowing up various Iranian generals etc. And that a great mass of soldiers will be extradited to the International Criminal Court. That’s competent meritocracy for you. Add in that there are series of new lockdowns in sight: the Kazakhstan plague whatever it is, more Beer Flu lockdowns, etc. and people are angry. Most Dem Governors just canceled Christmas. Meanwhile Kamasutra is proposing race-based health care rationing and lots of goodies for blacks, abolishing the police, and nothing for Whites. Or Latinos. Obviously Team Walking Dead is being elbowed aside for Team Whore of Babylon. Weekend at Biden’s is over, its now rule by grating Diversity HR manager.

    Restrictions on evictions and mortgage payment holidays will end this month. For Christmas Queen Harris has ordinary people moved from their house to a tent under a bridge. What do they have to lose now?

    And states like Texas, and Florida, and all the others that joined in can simply ignore Queen Harris and her decrees, take Trump as the legitimate President, and refuse to accept any order or edict they don’t like from Queen Harris. The pressure on them to do this will be irresistable by their voters and supporters, as will use of Federal Troops to remove Governors, Sheriffs, and other people and rule directly from DC. Remember oil, gas, retail that is not Amazon or Wal-Mart, agriculture, mining, and defense spending are all going to be made extinct by Queen Harris and her group. There are lot of people in boring non-Hollywood places making money that will be made poor forever by Queen Harris and the Silicon Valley oligarchs. She’s promised the Green New Deal, abolishing the internal combustion engine, flying for ordinary people, vacations, pets, eating meat, and lockdowns that never end. Meanwhile Kamasutra is likely to render a whole bunch of military people to Iran or the ICC to reopen the Iran Money Laundering machine for her backers, and rely on said military to repress states and officials and run things directly. She will likely have to use Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, the NFAC people, Anti-Fa, and the like to run things and those clowns are guaranteed to spark off the hot phase of a civil war via guaranteed atrocities. Since much of the military is likely to do a sitzkreig response to her orders after extraditing various Generals and Admirals (who are all connected) as well as Special Forces groups. Harris is too stupid to understand that. She’s a less competent black-adjacent Hillary without the charm.

    The Silicon Valley Oligarchs want the “Great Reset” and to use the media and Harris who is their tool to force the average American into drinking recycled sewage and eating bugs. Since your average person would happily commit genocide of every African on the planet to avoid a lifetime of eating bugs Civil War is inevitable. Particularly since Harris has zero legitimacy. None.

    Already in California of all places, the Orange County and LA County and Riverside County Sheriffs have said they will not enforce Gov. Newsom’s orders. Not the curfew, not the ban on outdoor dining, or indoor dining, or limits on congregating, or church worship. None of it.

    Ask yourself: is Kamala Harris a person who is viewed as legitimate? As even half-way liked? As someone who can even remotely make people’s lives better than they are now? And what of her backers? Are Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg people who inspire confidence? What about Susan Wojicki or Sundar Pinchai or that greasy Indian guy at Microsoft?

    Trump? He will die in prison like Jeffrey Epstein. Who did not kill himself. Along with his family. The Bidens will be pardoned by Harris. But while Harris can take office with insider moves, she can’t move people from being in their own homes, celebrating Christmas, with their own cars and trucks to being homeless under a bridge eating bugs and not have a violent response.

    Meritocracy? That’s boomer short bus talk. The US has not been a meritocracy since the first Bush Admin. Or arguably since the Civil Rights movement. The Lockheed Skunkworks did not employ empowered black women who screamed at White men all day and talked about their hair to create the SR-71. Almost all talented White, Asian males, and Latinos are locked out anything under crushing globalization and black black black black black blackety black black black.

    • LOL: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    @Whiskey

    Asians and Hispanics voted for Kamala Harris overwhelmingly. What’s your stupid angle? They’re really on our side?

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Johnny Smoggins
    @Whiskey

    Love how you try to insinuate that Iran is an enemy, yet there's no mention of Israel.

    , @Old Prude
    @Whiskey

    Whiskey, my man: Tell us how you really feel...

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Whiskey


    Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra’s camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for “war crimes” related to blowing up various Iranian generals etc. And that a great mass of soldiers will be extradited to the International Criminal Court. That’s competent meritocracy for you.
     
    Uh, if Da Kween issues those orders I have trouble seeing the SpecOps guys going quietly.

    Just sayin'....

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @Whiskey

    "Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra’s camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for “war crimes” related to blowing up various Iranian generals etc. And that a great mass of soldiers will be extradited to the International Criminal Court. That’s competent meritocracy for you."

    You say that likes it's a bad thing. I suppose you think the worst thing about the Nuremberg Trials was they were anti-meritocratic.

    I thought you Trumptards were all for "America First/No Wars for Israel" and were all butthurt when Bibi's boy carved out a little exception for Iran.

    Trumptards who think he was "our guy" until Kushner got hold of him forget Trump spent Obama's two terms hammering two and only two issues: Birtherism and trash the Iran nuke deal, both Zionist talking points.

    Oh, then there was this:

    https://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/gty_trump_jewish_voters_01_jc_160321_12x5_1600.jpg

    Replies: @Not Raul

    , @dfordoom
    @Whiskey


    Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra’s camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for “war crimes” related to blowing up various Iranian generals etc. And that a great mass of soldiers will be extradited to the International Criminal Court.
     
    I'm sorry but I don't see a downside to any of that.
    , @Mike Tre
    @Whiskey

    One of the funniest rants I've ever read, thanks.

  76. @Chrisnonymous
    @Dutch Boy

    Even if Trump is denied office, people should not stop. I wonder if massive class-action lawsuits could be brought against states. I don't know enough about the law to know if that's possible, but we want the cases to be examined in court so that the evidence can be aired. I don't think big tech would censor coverage of a court case like that.

    Replies: @Anon, @Dave Pinsen

    Every state with a corrupt election process needs the living crap sued out of them. Go after them like a pitbull. We have to put everyone involved in prison.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    Every state with a corrupt election process needs the living crap sued out of them. Go after them like a pitbull. We have to put everyone involved in prison.

     

    Every single electronic voting machine in the land should be ripped open, audited, taken to court if necessary, and then retired. Smarter, more honest countries than ours have outlawed them.

    The same for mail-in ballots.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Anon

    We've heard from Republican vote-counting watchers who were bullied out of being able to do their jobs. Next time we better tell the suburban soccer moms to stay home and send large working-class guys who won't let themselves be pushed around.

  77. Survive 4 years of Biden/Harris and hope the GOP hasn’t reverted to Ryanism in the interim.

  78. Love Steve, but quite the ignorant post. Trump had plenty of “forethought.” His campaign fought off multiple challenges in every swing state staying in the spring. Some more successful than others. Many reaching the SCOTUS. They were outmanned and out funded but still won the majority of their cases.

    It was simply the sentiment similar to the fear of covid perpetuated on blogs like this, that allowed some courts and many local officials to be complicit in the fraud. Fear of covid became the cover for every fraud imaginable.

    Quite ironic that the panic induced bloggers who helped create the environment where fraud could be allowed cast stones at those who tried to prevent it.

  79. @James B. Shearer
    "With more careful planning ahead of the election, the Trump Administration might have put together a stronger legal and empirical case .."


    Or they could have taken actions to make fraud harder. If they were actually concerned about it.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland

    If big tech and the deep state were more powerful, they could have pulled off the coup without any fingerprints or witnesses. But they were desperate and had to make their move. The silver lining is that this treachery will live on in infamy. It is literally the knife in the back which cannot be forgiven, only atoned by revenge and humiliation.

    This whole shit show will tease itself out one fact and one mathematical certainty at a time. drip, drip, drip. Somehow, I think that FB, twitter, and Google thought they would just wake up the next day and everyone would have forgotten about it; after all, they are not reporting on it, but no, it will be pulled out in exquisite granular detail to where even most willfully blind will know it, even if only in their dark hearts.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave, wren
  80. @Just another serf
    @Redman

    It’s unlikely that there will be a revolutionary crackup. We’ve seen how docile Americans are with the Wuflu fiasco. That was a big test. And we as a nation failed.

    You are ignoring the cumulative effect of this. One insulting, destructive indignity piled on another. Even the most complacent sheep will at some point start biting and kicking. I hope that we are approaching that state.

    Replies: @MB

    It’s a crapshoot.
    There’s no guarantee the sheep will react before the Revolution consolidates control.
    IIRC Solzhenitsyn said communism was a black hole and once a country fell in, it took a long time to climb out, if ever.

  81. @Chrisnonymous
    @415 reasons

    Trump's presidential library will be interesting. Who will staff it? Based on his time in office, I guess his library will be a permanent monument against him. I wish he would put it in Trump Tower and decorate it in brass and pink marble.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Harry Baldwin

    Presidential libraries are another asinine aspect of the farce this nation has become. Trump should say he doesn’t want a presidential library, as it is a waste of government resources and a shameless, self-aggrandizing institution intended to treat as great statesman the empty suits empty suits that the Deep Sate allows to play president. Trump should treat it like he treated the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, as unworthy of participation. To hell with this sleazy whorehouse we call a government and the honors these whores bestow upon themselves.

  82. anon[387] • Disclaimer says:

    Guliani confidant Bernie Kerik has stated Trump actually received 80 million votes. The Dominion software awarded Biden over 1.0 votes per vote (1.2 or something like that), and Trump less than 1.0 votes per vote.

    I now expect all national elections to be more-or-less rigged. I wish there was somewhere to flee to and start anew, but there isn’t. We are stuck here. SCOTUS is under Roberts and they have something on Roberts.

    BTW—–all the Chinese honeypot stuff is enabled because we dont warn our budding politicos about the CIA and Mossad doing the same thing. The Chinese noticed. No telling what kompromat they have on rising politicians that could be released on Tik Tok world-wide if need be in the upcoming decade.

    If Joe goes, we get Kamala.

  83. anon[927] • Disclaimer says:

    I think the Supreme Court ruling is just a useful reminder to folks here that you can no longer be on autopilot and depend on others to carry your interests forward for you.

    Witness what that complacency has wrought: we have people here hoping for the escape of death before the piper calls. And from what? A historical period that is really an aberration: probably the quietest and most stable period of human history, and one that has allowed all sorts of nonsense to flourish.

    I don’t blame those wistful for peace and quiet. I certainly don’t blame old men wanting to think about golf and baseball after a lifetime of b.s. in corporate. I’m glad we have things like that still around, and it sucks covid took that from people this year. But life is chance, and covid is just the reminder of that eternal truth.

    For the people that believe they have more years ahead than behind..I will tell you this: fix your spiritual bayonet for the years ahead and charge. You are an American in 1850 and you will live to shape and perhaps see the next era of this country and more importantly: the future circumstances of your progeny.

    Blogs like this will no longer prepare you for your future. These are books that are closing. Feel free to continue reading them like I do; there is valuable background. But life is writing itself ahead.

    Keep your eyes forward and up.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Thanks: wren, Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @anon

    Well said.

    That was Flynn’s message in the Spring and - to the great dishonor of both Trump and the rest of the GOP - his alone. Holder knew what he was doing keeping Flynn on the sidelines.

    We’ll see what he comes up with tomorrow.

    , @ben tillman
    @anon

    Good comment. Inspiring, in fact.

    , @Known Fact
    @anon


    You are an American in 1850 and you will live to shape and perhaps see the next era of this country and more importantly: the future circumstances of your progeny.
     
    This is a great point -- 1850 or as I like to think, 1900: You are going to fight in WWI, maybe survive the Spanish flu, endure the Great Depression and have to send your sons off to WWII. Our last 75 years of relative calm and prosperity? Looks like it's ovah.
  84. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump was a poisoned pawn meant to make American nationalists look bad while he was going to do favors for Israel that liberal Democrats couldn’t do. Basically every nationalist organization in America is now under the influence of Q (military intelligence – yes, disinfo – also) or has ceased to exist in any substantial form. Everyone bet the farm on Trump and fell into their trap.

    • Disagree: James Braxton, YetAnotherAnon
  85. @Anon7
    Going forward, I’m interested in what the Left will succeed in putting into law or policy:

    - Green New Deal as our National Policy?
    - Defund police and prisons?
    - Every illegal given temporary papers, and placed on a path to citizenship?
    - Socialist control of the economy, particularly health care?
    - Big Tech censorship applied to the entire internet?
    - China back on track to become world’s sole superpower?
    - Reparations?
    - State-controlled public school mandated?
    - Gun confiscation?

    Or will Democrat leaders realize that many Trump policies actually worked, and they’ll keep them and take full credit, cheered by the main stream media and Big Tech?

    All of the above are actually on the table if Democrats win both seats in the Georgia runoff election on January 5th.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Dmon

    Harris will head the Central Authority for Societal Transfer of Equity system. This program will implement executive-decreed reparations for all persons qualifying as National Wealth Ordained Recipient Designees.
    Once China gets ahold of Taiwan and TSM, they’ll have all of Apple’s IP plus one of the world’s two 5nm foundries, so short Apple/long Huawei.
    This is how China deals with their Jack Dorsey’s. It’s far superior to our system – I don’t remember seeing a single picture of Roger Stone being led away in chains. Note also that everyone is wearing a mask. A responsible government puts safety above all else – wouldn’t want him to die from Covid before they can Epstein him in his cell. I was under the impression they had stopped the ‘rona dead in it’s tracks back in March, but you can’t be too careful.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/12/hong-kongs-jimmy-lai-in-court-to-face-national-security-charges

    • Replies: @clyde
    @Dmon


    Once China gets ahold of Taiwan and TSM, they’ll have all of Apple’s IP plus one of the world’s two 5nm foundries, so short Apple/long Huawei.
    This is how China deals with their Jack Dorsey’s. It’s far superior to our system – I don’t remember seeing a single picture of Roger Stone being led away in chains.
     
    Right! Seizing Taiwan and TSM is a no brainer. Biden will not resist this move. It will instantly give CCP and China a 10% boost.
    Taiwan Semiconductor Mfg. Co. Ltd.
    NYSE: TSM

    As far as I know Samsung is TSM's only worthy competition. BTW just bought a refurb back up computer. The Intel inside is i5-8400 and is made via 14 nanometer process. This chip is very strong but runs at 65 watts. Funky but chic!

    Replies: @Dmon

  86. the likely outcome. SC did not want to get involved.

    the last month or so, SC activity has been pretty bad, this ruling aside. either they’re waiting for the right case on certain topics, or the court has already moved left in record time.

    Trump is not even out of office yet and evidence is already growing that SC will not be saving us. tentatively, looks like they’re gonna rule in favor of leftists most of the time.

    it’s about time to stop worrying or thinking about SC, swallowing hard and getting out the vote for some really bad Republican because “but the Supreme Court…” it’s a lost cause at this point.

  87. @Anon
    @Chrisnonymous

    Every state with a corrupt election process needs the living crap sued out of them. Go after them like a pitbull. We have to put everyone involved in prison.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Harry Baldwin

    Every state with a corrupt election process needs the living crap sued out of them. Go after them like a pitbull. We have to put everyone involved in prison.

    Every single electronic voting machine in the land should be ripped open, audited, taken to court if necessary, and then retired. Smarter, more honest countries than ours have outlawed them.

    The same for mail-in ballots.

  88. “For those talking about secession, I listed the practical problems that make that highly unlikely last February in “Secession Studies.”

    other than the fact that it probably won’t happen, and people will voluntarily surrender to a nightmare future, i wasn’t persuaded by any of those reasons.

    you’re just a Boomer who wants a comfortable final decade or so. of course you don’t want to fight against the leftists.

    Boomers inherited the greatest country in the world. they had to do NOTHING to attain it, and predictable were comfortable giving it away while they pursued worldly interests. of course Steve thinks nobody should fight for a homeland or self determination. most rich kids squander their father’s fortune.

    meanwhile, both California and Canada are pivoting towards China, the EXACT kind of thing that precedes some kind of conflict or paradigm shift. America was created in exactly the same circumstances. the colonists teamed up with France against Britain.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @prime noticer


    Boomers inherited the greatest country in the world. they had to do NOTHING to attain it, and predictable were comfortable giving it away while they pursued worldly interests.
     
    As opposed to, say, manipulating pixels with game consoles. Well, you can "console" yourself now that your wiser post-boomers have rejected a boomer from the White House for a pre-boomer. Critical race theory can run free on Joe's "watch".

    You can also celebrate the fact that our new overlords' languages-- Chinese, Arabic, Hebrew, Hindi, and, most importantly, Tamil (oops, she's a "boomer", just barely)-- don't bother to capitalize. You'll be right at home in post-america.
  89. @Grumpy
    The Texas lawsuit came out of nowhere. Then suddenly 19 states were suing 4 other states and 126 members of Congress got involved. It was dramatic, and it all happened fast.

    These are not normal times.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Stebbing Heuer

    That tells me there are good people in lots of state legislatures, who could become our next populist president — like Trump, but perhaps more effective.

  90. anon[709] • Disclaimer says:

    “But it was never very likely that the 6-3 GOP majority on the Supreme Court would open themselves up to certain vengeance down the road by Democratic court-packers merely to give Donald Trump another term.”

    This is both the most likely pretext Roberts used to convince Trump’s 3 nominees (recall Alito & Thomas dissented), and completely laughable.

    GOP are pretty much guaranteed to lose the senate at this point by their own design. Dems will pack the court anyway.

    A fitting end.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @anon

    Alito, Thomas and the Seven Dwarves.

  91. @Chrisnonymous
    @Dutch Boy

    Even if Trump is denied office, people should not stop. I wonder if massive class-action lawsuits could be brought against states. I don't know enough about the law to know if that's possible, but we want the cases to be examined in court so that the evidence can be aired. I don't think big tech would censor coverage of a court case like that.

    Replies: @Anon, @Dave Pinsen

    The courts aren’t on your side. I wouldn’t spend a dollar suing over this.

    None of the other powerful institutions in America are on your side either.

    Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions. Keep your opinions secret and apply for government jobs. The best time to start was years ago. The second best time is now.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Dave Pinsen

    Dave Pinsen wrote:


    Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions. Keep your opinions secret and apply for government jobs. The best time to start was years ago. The second best time is now.
     
    No: stay quiet long enough about your true beliefs, and you end up not believing in them any longer.

    Forty years ago, I was friends with a "radical libertarian" who hated the GOP so much that he advocated social ostracism against anyone who even spoke to a GOP group, including a mutual friend. In the end, he ended up working for the Bush II Administration in Iraq!

    Selling out is very, very easy to do.

    No, the "long march through the institutions" worked for the Left because the Left believes in coercive institutions. The fundamental problem is not that those institutions are controlled by the Left but that those institutions never should have existed in the first place --the Intelligence Community, the medical cartel, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, state-funded education, and all the rest.

    No, what we need to do is delegitimize those institutions, above all the Leviathan federal government that we still pretend is governed by the Constitution.

    The American revolutionaries did not find a better king: they dumped the King.

    We need to follow their example.

    All power to the people. Dismantle the elite.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Achmed E. Newman, @dfordoom

    , @Pericles
    @Dave Pinsen



    Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions. Keep your opinions secret and apply for government jobs.

     

    Make sure your skin color is the correct one.
    , @stealth
    @Dave Pinsen

    It is the only way forward. I have thought the same thing.

    , @Authenticjazzman
    @Dave Pinsen

    " Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions"

    There is no time for such slow-moving action, as the country will be lost to the leftist lunatics within weeks or days.

    Either something drastic occurs now to retain DT , or the Republicans can simply disband and turn the whole thing over to the deranged leftists.

    This is an emergency situation beyond the average person's comprehension.

    Myself I posted several days ago that the only ones who can be trusted are Alito and Thomas. I instinctively knew that that the judges he pushed through would betray him.

    AJM

    , @Corvinus
    @Dave Pinsen

    "The courts aren’t on your side. I wouldn’t spend a dollar suing over this."

    So are you inferring the courts are on your side only when they rule in your favor, and that the rule of law is what you personally make it out to be?

    Perhaps the decisions of the courts in the Trump cases challenging the legitimacy of the votes/election was based on the lack of standing and a lack of clear, convincing evidence? And that maybe Trump has been suing because he realizes his supporters will blindly give him boatloads of cash for his "defense fund"?

    "None of the other powerful institutions in America are on your side either".

    Let us assume your side gains control of them in the future. How do you respond when your "enemies" make this exact same claim?

    "Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions".

    LOL. Trump had four years to drain the swamp. He installed lackeys, Jews, and neo-cons, whom he ended up firing or letting go or they left on their own accord. Yet somehow, we are to believe he is this God Emperor (snicker snack) who despite his greatness ended up losing to the Deep State.

    "The second best time is now".

    So, what are YOU waiting for? Duty calls, right? I'm sure with your connections you can land in a job in gummint.

    , @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    The whole point of 'cancel culture' with its endless purity tests is to expose and remove any conservatives attempting a 'long march' of their own. This will go nowhere. It's naive to think the left will allow anyone else to use this tactic against them.

  92. @Lot
    “ For those talking about secession”

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @JimB, @Redman, @SimpleSong, @fnn, @Desiderius, @RSDB, @BB753, @lavoisier, @bomag, @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman, @ThreeCranes, @Lurker

    The Russian … revolutionaries were … better in their human capital than the hereditary government they deposed.

    And your evidence for this is … ?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @RSDB



    The Russian … revolutionaries were … better in their human capital than the hereditary government they deposed.
     
    And your evidence for this is … ?
     
    The fact that they won?

    Replies: @RSDB

    , @Verymuchalive
    @RSDB

    The Bolsheviks were an absolute disaster for Russia, as Anatoly Karlin repeatedly points out, and he's right. The 20th Century should have been the Russian Century. By now, the Russian Empire - at 2020 borders - would have over 250 million people, nearly all white. If Belarus and the Ukraine remained within the Empire, you would be looking at about 350 million people. Russia would be the greatest Power on earth and have a much higher standard of living.

    The Bolsheviks were a disaster right from the start. In 1917, Russia just had to wait: it would be on the winning side in WWI. By signing Brest-Litovsk, they ceded large amounts of territory and effectively were one of the losers. Industrialisation under Communism was slower than under the Tsar. Tens of millions died from famine, forced collectivisation, the Gulags and mass murder. As a result, the population of Russia is 147 million and falling.

    , @utu
    @RSDB

    Revolutionaries were unscrupulous and ruthless while the Russian state was trying to impress the West how progressive and respecting civil rights it was. By 1890 capital punishment for murder virtually was never carried out, but substituted with 10 to 15 years imprisonment with hard labor. There was no deaths squad and no extrajudicial killings while the revolutionaries carried out hundreds of assassinations of sate officials. It seems that Russian Okhrana had the revolutionary cells penetrated but there was no decision and no resolve to round them up and lock them up under some emergency security measures. WWI made Okhrana shift priorities from anti-revolutionary to counter intelligence.

    , @J.Ross
    @RSDB

    Notice how the superior human capitol in every case had to bring back purged generals and bureaucrats and cops to do the actual work.

    , @Bill
    @RSDB

    His tribe's intense desire to believe it?

  93. @anon
    I think the Supreme Court ruling is just a useful reminder to folks here that you can no longer be on autopilot and depend on others to carry your interests forward for you.

    Witness what that complacency has wrought: we have people here hoping for the escape of death before the piper calls. And from what? A historical period that is really an aberration: probably the quietest and most stable period of human history, and one that has allowed all sorts of nonsense to flourish.

    I don't blame those wistful for peace and quiet. I certainly don't blame old men wanting to think about golf and baseball after a lifetime of b.s. in corporate. I'm glad we have things like that still around, and it sucks covid took that from people this year. But life is chance, and covid is just the reminder of that eternal truth.

    For the people that believe they have more years ahead than behind..I will tell you this: fix your spiritual bayonet for the years ahead and charge. You are an American in 1850 and you will live to shape and perhaps see the next era of this country and more importantly: the future circumstances of your progeny.

    Blogs like this will no longer prepare you for your future. These are books that are closing. Feel free to continue reading them like I do; there is valuable background. But life is writing itself ahead.

    Keep your eyes forward and up.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @ben tillman, @Known Fact

    Well said.

    That was Flynn’s message in the Spring and – to the great dishonor of both Trump and the rest of the GOP – his alone. Holder knew what he was doing keeping Flynn on the sidelines.

    We’ll see what he comes up with tomorrow.

  94. I was thinking about what’s next for Donald J. Trump. It would be a good troll if he did a face turn and started philanthropy/non-profit projects with fairly unobjectionable goals. I don’t think he’ll do it, but it would be fun to see the NYT go hard against charity.

    What’s next for me is contributing to Steve, VDARE, and other people that are doing great work.

  95. The US legal system is the joke of the civilized world. Lawyer-judges will allow almost any case to proceed.

    [MORE]

    The practice of awarding a state’s electors to the political party of the figurehead, popular vote winner is just ridiculous.

    Presidential electors are supposed to be wheeler-dealers who will bargain their votes for for the betterment of the home state. For instance, PA electors should be won over by a candidate’s pledges about steel tariffs.

    These political hack electors only care about the interests of their big government, national political parties. The job of PA electors will be to affirm DEM environmental policies in CA.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Abolish_public_education

    This was the role of Senators when they were elected by state legislatures. The Founders had the right idea with that.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Abolish_public_education


    The practice of awarding a state’s electors to the political party of the figurehead, popular vote winner is just ridiculous.

     

    Pennsylvania is the only state that requires the candidate himself to appoint his electors. Some delegate the job anyway-- James Michener said his local chairman chose him; Hubert Humphrey had nothing to do with it. At the other extreme, one of Bill Clinton's childhood buddies now living in Pennsylvania served as his elector there.

    Biden grew up in the Commonwealth, and Trump got his degree there. It would be most interesting to inspect their elector slates for personal connections.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  96. (On-topic, eventually.) Other than a couple of PC speed bumps, this rabbi nails it:

    Why the cultural elite truly despises Hanukkah

    So, what is our anti-globalist “Hannukah”? Thanksgiving? Flag Day? What can’t be universalized?

    Unfortunately, Constitution Day already has been:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Day_(United_States)

    The rest of the Anglosphere has the Queen’s Birthday, albeit on the wrong date. Monarchy is a useful reminder of a nation’s roots.

    Some New England states have their Patriots’ Day. If you live in the East, you get an extra day to file your 1040, as the Boston office is closed. But it would be weird for Americans to celebrate April 15. (It’s easier in New England, which gave the most resistance to the Sixteenth Amendment.)

    Flag Day has the advantage of being Donald Trump’s birthday.

    • Troll: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @utu
    @Reg Cæsar

    You should have kept Judith decapitating Holofernes as a central figure of Hanukah narrative. Then the feminists and psychopathic dikes would love your holiday.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Judit_decapitando_a_Holofernes%2C_por_Artemisia_Gentileschi.jpg

    Instead you decided to roll out a sanitized version of Hanukah to offer children anti-Christmas tradition. You did not need to be concerned with Christmas when you lived in ghettos and shtetls. And globalization was not your problem either.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Ancient Briton
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Thanksgiving celebrated by the Plymouth Pilgrims in November of 1621 was an Elizabethan traditional holiday giving thanks for the defeat of the Spanish Armada (1588).

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    We will probably in future see a 'grand compromise' whereby Jews grudgingly agree to stop public celebrations of Hanukah in return for Christians agreeing to do the same with Christmas.

  97. But it was never very likely that the 6-3 GOP majority on the Supreme Court would open themselves up to certain vengeance down the road by Democratic court-packers merely to give Donald Trump another term.

    Is there anyone in the United States, apart from the military, who does what they’re paid to do rather than what is good for them personally?

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @Stebbing Heuer

    I recall a few years back someone, likely in a Leftist publication, pointed out how cheap it is to buy a politician. And it's not because Senators, for example, need to raise almost a billion to have a chance at winning. You could buy a guy's vote for as little as 1o or 15k. Someone like Bezos or Soros could buy the whole Congress with chump change, and likely has already.

    "For Wales? Why Richard, it profit a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world... but for Wales!" ― Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

    https://youtu.be/bLIsqYKDqY8

  98. @prime noticer
    "For those talking about secession, I listed the practical problems that make that highly unlikely last February in “Secession Studies.”

    other than the fact that it probably won't happen, and people will voluntarily surrender to a nightmare future, i wasn't persuaded by any of those reasons.

    you're just a Boomer who wants a comfortable final decade or so. of course you don't want to fight against the leftists.

    Boomers inherited the greatest country in the world. they had to do NOTHING to attain it, and predictable were comfortable giving it away while they pursued worldly interests. of course Steve thinks nobody should fight for a homeland or self determination. most rich kids squander their father's fortune.

    meanwhile, both California and Canada are pivoting towards China, the EXACT kind of thing that precedes some kind of conflict or paradigm shift. America was created in exactly the same circumstances. the colonists teamed up with France against Britain.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Boomers inherited the greatest country in the world. they had to do NOTHING to attain it, and predictable were comfortable giving it away while they pursued worldly interests.

    As opposed to, say, manipulating pixels with game consoles. Well, you can “console” yourself now that your wiser post-boomers have rejected a boomer from the White House for a pre-boomer. Critical race theory can run free on Joe’s “watch”.

    You can also celebrate the fact that our new overlords’ languages– Chinese, Arabic, Hebrew, Hindi, and, most importantly, Tamil (oops, she’s a “boomer”, just barely)– don’t bother to capitalize. You’ll be right at home in post-america.

  99. @Desiderius
    @Lot

    Yeah I don’t think cake eating is going to be real popular going forward, especially when the first thing the GOP Senate did post-election was unanimously open the doors for an unlimited flood of Asian “merit,” but thx for the concern all the same.

    You think 80% of the GOP and 87% of Trump supporters considering the election illegitimate followed by all the processes within our system put there to shore up legitimacy summarily ignored is just going to go down smooth I don’t know what to tell you.

    You read history and wonder how the fat and happy could grow so blind and decadent and here we get to live right through it. Interesting times.

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer

    This.

    For the past year while I’ve been prepping for what is now certain to come, I’ve been scratching my head thinking ‘Why can’t they see what is so obvious?’

    I realise now it’s enough to know that they can’t, and to prepare accordingly.

  100. @Abolish_public_education
    The US legal system is the joke of the civilized world. Lawyer-judges will allow almost any case to proceed.

    The practice of awarding a state’s electors to the political party of the figurehead, popular vote winner is just ridiculous.

    Presidential electors are supposed to be wheeler-dealers who will bargain their votes for for the betterment of the home state. For instance, PA electors should be won over by a candidate’s pledges about steel tariffs.

    These political hack electors only care about the interests of their big government, national political parties. The job of PA electors will be to affirm DEM environmental policies in CA.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar

    This was the role of Senators when they were elected by state legislatures. The Founders had the right idea with that.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Dave Pinsen


    This was the role of Senators when they were elected by state legislatures. The Founders had the right idea with that.

     

    Except the legislatures were totally bought. Whether or not the cure was worse than the disease, disease was there.
  101. @Grumpy
    The Texas lawsuit came out of nowhere. Then suddenly 19 states were suing 4 other states and 126 members of Congress got involved. It was dramatic, and it all happened fast.

    These are not normal times.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Stebbing Heuer

    Exactly.

    And every time an institution pretends ‘nothing to see here’ or ‘stop bothering us’, or, as the seatwarmers at the court just did, ‘you can’t do that’, something even less normal is going to happen.

    And very few are ready for what is coming.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  102. @Just another serf
    The corrupt, decrepit Biden and his Indian sex worker sidekick are going to have a rough time ahead of them. A very large portion of this nation will develop a white hot hatred of them. Probably quite a bit more hatred than the opposition held for Trump.

    Biden finally got his wish. And may it destroy him and every member of his family.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Kylie, @Flip

    Just another serf wrote:

    The corrupt, decrepit Biden and his Indian sex worker sidekick are going to have a rough time ahead of them.

    The breaking news today was that little Hunter is being investigated for money laundering: I always figured that the $3.5 million was not a gift to Hunter but just an oligarch who needed to launder her money.

    The next four years are going to be miserable for the country but fun for those who view politics as entertainment. My forecast for the next four years:

    The GOP takes one of the two seats in Georgia and narrowly holds the Senate.

    In early 2022, the stock market crashes.

    In mid-2022, Sleepy Joe pardons Hunter.

    In the midterms, the GOP blows the Dems away.

    At the end of 2022, Sleepy Joe admits that 80 years old is just too old to be President and resigns.

    Therefore, Horizontal Harris becomes the first retired sex worker to serve as Prez.

    The Dems realize that Kamala cannot actually get herself elected and a bitter civil war breaks out over the 2024 Dem nomination.

    Kamala gets the nomination and chooses AOC as VP to “heal the party.”

    The Donald wins the GOP nomination and chooses Kristi Noem as VP.

    Trump-Noem get 360 electoral votes.

    And happy days are here again!
    —————–
    My prediction on 11/1/2020 was closer to the mark than I usualy do:

    Trump takes everything he took in 2016 EXCEPT WI and MI for a 280/260 win, but the Dems end up obviously stealing PA, and Trump loses in the courts. So Biden is inaugurated on 1/20/2021.

    Of course, I did miss that the Dems would also manage to steal AZ and, of all places, GA! Having grown up “across the river” from Illinois, I should have remembered to never under-estimate the ability of the Dems to steal an election.

    The new Trump slogan: #RememberTheSteal.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @gent
    @PhysicistDave

    What sort of idiot would trust the integrity of future elections after this?

    , @AnotherDad
    @PhysicistDave

    Depressing prediction if we're trotting out the mediocre, elderly Trump yet again.

    If nationalists can't find a competent charismatic nationalist somewhere ... we're doomed. The charismatic (if you can even call Trump that) without the competent is a one legged stool. Let's at least try two legs.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @PhysicistDave, @dfordoom

    , @Gapeseed
    @PhysicistDave


    Trump-Noem get 360 electoral votes.
     
    Democrats have been stealing elections since (conservatively) 1960, when the mobbed-up JFK used the Chicago machine to tip Illinois and then the election. With that big steal left unpunished even when Nixon and company had the opportunity to raise the issue, they have perfected their craft, aided by a stranglehold on urban machines, partisan corporate media, and new election technology. They didn't stop then, and if Trump fades into history without taking further action, they won't stop in the future. So why do you think that we will ever again win an important election?
  103. @Noticer of things
    @Johnny Bone

    Steve doesn't even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He's stated that.

    It's shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the "anomalies" and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying, e.g., https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/ (previous two posts on that site also lay out specific "anomalies" that, taken together, are essentially statistically impossible).

    Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind. I think there are some people who just can't bear to believe that the US has already become a banana republic--that includes a lot of his "respectable" readers/commenters here no doubt.

    I'll just say this. I have on occasion donated to Steve in the past, and I appreciate his courageous research on many subjects, but I'd like to focus my future contributions on those who are on the same page on really important issues. Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big. Hopefully he and others can continue to keep an open mind and review the data. I believe more and more people, when they really get a chance to look at the data, will come to understand that there was massive fraud at play.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Keypusher, @Dube, @Anonymous, @TTSSYF, @Corvinus, @TWS, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @ben tillman

    I’ve raised this point previously: according to repeated reports, the counts shut down for hours in key locations. This is unprecedented, and requires explanation.

    For whomever disregards or dismisses that question – well, as Diogenes put it while holding a lantern up to people’s faces in broad daylight: I’m looking for an honest man.

  104. @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous

    The courts aren't on your side. I wouldn't spend a dollar suing over this.

    None of the other powerful institutions in America are on your side either.

    Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions. Keep your opinions secret and apply for government jobs. The best time to start was years ago. The second best time is now.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Pericles, @stealth, @Authenticjazzman, @Corvinus, @Anonymous

    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions. Keep your opinions secret and apply for government jobs. The best time to start was years ago. The second best time is now.

    No: stay quiet long enough about your true beliefs, and you end up not believing in them any longer.

    Forty years ago, I was friends with a “radical libertarian” who hated the GOP so much that he advocated social ostracism against anyone who even spoke to a GOP group, including a mutual friend. In the end, he ended up working for the Bush II Administration in Iraq!

    Selling out is very, very easy to do.

    No, the “long march through the institutions” worked for the Left because the Left believes in coercive institutions. The fundamental problem is not that those institutions are controlled by the Left but that those institutions never should have existed in the first place –the Intelligence Community, the medical cartel, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, state-funded education, and all the rest.

    No, what we need to do is delegitimize those institutions, above all the Leviathan federal government that we still pretend is governed by the Constitution.

    The American revolutionaries did not find a better king: they dumped the King.

    We need to follow their example.

    All power to the people. Dismantle the elite.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @PhysicistDave


    No, the “long march through the institutions” worked for the Left because the Left believes in coercive institutions.
     
    It worked because they bothered to actually do it, instead of just complaining about how unfair it was that they didn't control those institutions.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @PhysicistDave


    No, the “long march through the institutions” worked for the Left because the Left believes in coercive institutions. The fundamental problem is not that those institutions are controlled by the Left but that those institutions never should have existed in the first place –the Intelligence Community, the medical cartel, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, state-funded education, and all the rest.

    No, what we need to do is delegitimize those institutions, above all the Leviathan federal government that we still pretend is governed by the Constitution.

     
    Excellent point, Dave. However, I wanted to point out that there are other institutions that the left has marched through over the years (for almost a century). That'd be the mainstream press, the universities, and lower education (Big Ed, the Education-Industrial Complex including teachers, school boards, Ed schools).

    Then, I thought, wait, Physicist Dave is right. Those institutions have got to go too!
    , @dfordoom
    @PhysicistDave


    No, the “long march through the institutions” worked for the Left
     
    The irony is that the Left still lost. Capitalism still reigns supreme and any opposition to capitalism has been very effectively suppressed. It's the neo-liberals who now have total control, and there's nothing leftist about neo-liberalism. Leftism is much less significant as a political force today than it was before the Long March Through the Institutions.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @PhysicistDave

  105. @Abolish_public_education
    The US legal system is the joke of the civilized world. Lawyer-judges will allow almost any case to proceed.

    The practice of awarding a state’s electors to the political party of the figurehead, popular vote winner is just ridiculous.

    Presidential electors are supposed to be wheeler-dealers who will bargain their votes for for the betterment of the home state. For instance, PA electors should be won over by a candidate’s pledges about steel tariffs.

    These political hack electors only care about the interests of their big government, national political parties. The job of PA electors will be to affirm DEM environmental policies in CA.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Reg Cæsar

    The practice of awarding a state’s electors to the political party of the figurehead, popular vote winner is just ridiculous.

    Pennsylvania is the only state that requires the candidate himself to appoint his electors. Some delegate the job anyway– James Michener said his local chairman chose him; Hubert Humphrey had nothing to do with it. At the other extreme, one of Bill Clinton’s childhood buddies now living in Pennsylvania served as his elector there.

    Biden grew up in the Commonwealth, and Trump got his degree there. It would be most interesting to inspect their elector slates for personal connections.

    • Troll: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Reg Cæsar


    Pennsylvania is the only state that requires the candidate himself to appoint his electors.
     
    How can that not be required everywhere? Why would a candidate not insist on doing so?
  106. @NJ Transit Commuter
    What will be interesting going forward is to see what happens to Biden. This week we’ve seen:

    1. Articles about Hunter Biden’s corruption.
    2. Articles about Democrats trying to intervene against a senile politician (Feinstein).
    3. Articles, from the left, criticizing a number of Biden cabinet appointments as being insufficiently Progressive or sensitive enough to minority issues.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if after January 20 there is a serious attempt by leftist democrats to get rid of Biden.

    Replies: @Peterike, @Thoughts, @Mr. Anon, @Pericles

    The New Yorker just the other day exposed Dianne Feinstein as a drooling lump, which is presumably a sign of political things to come. Time for a new and more diverse leadership of your country.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/dianne-feinsteins-missteps-raise-a-painful-age-question-among-senate-democrats

  107. @Dave Pinsen
    @Abolish_public_education

    This was the role of Senators when they were elected by state legislatures. The Founders had the right idea with that.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    This was the role of Senators when they were elected by state legislatures. The Founders had the right idea with that.

    Except the legislatures were totally bought. Whether or not the cure was worse than the disease, disease was there.

  108. @Rigoberto Nunez
    There needs to be a truth and reconciliation commission so that we can come to terms with the white supremacy and misogyny that has dominated the USA the last 4 years (and frankly since the inception).

    This will necessitate a commitment to anti racism and equity.

    This will require sweeping changes to the way we govern, the way we teach our children, the way society is structured and what it means to be American.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Robert Dolan, @Hibernian, @Eric Novak, @Gary in Gramercy, @MB

    Most of us were thinking along the lines of a great repatriation, i.e. massive government incentives to repatriate the tens of millions of uninvited foreign affirmative action beneficiaries who have added themselves to the US population since 1990, who are also responsible for installing a senile pervert and a hostile mulatto grifter as President and Vice President, primarily in order to redistribute what remains of white wealth to themselves. What do you think of that as an alternative?

  109. @Just another serf
    The corrupt, decrepit Biden and his Indian sex worker sidekick are going to have a rough time ahead of them. A very large portion of this nation will develop a white hot hatred of them. Probably quite a bit more hatred than the opposition held for Trump.

    Biden finally got his wish. And may it destroy him and every member of his family.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Kylie, @Flip

    “HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I’VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.”

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Kylie


    A man may truly live in his dreams, his noblest dreams, but only, only if he is worthy of those dreams.
     
    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b1a0707fa083879dc67c4841440e3015b4123a03/c=0-374-3745-2490/local/-/media/2017/06/26/Wilmington/Wilmington/636340820833333076-062617-BidenPool-SP729.JPG

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Kylie

    , @Sam Malone
    @Kylie

    all caps, not reading it.

  110. @anon
    "But it was never very likely that the 6-3 GOP majority on the Supreme Court would open themselves up to certain vengeance down the road by Democratic court-packers merely to give Donald Trump another term."

    This is both the most likely pretext Roberts used to convince Trump's 3 nominees (recall Alito & Thomas dissented), and completely laughable.

    GOP are pretty much guaranteed to lose the senate at this point by their own design. Dems will pack the court anyway.

    A fitting end.

    Replies: @Pericles

    Alito, Thomas and the Seven Dwarves.

  111. @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous

    The courts aren't on your side. I wouldn't spend a dollar suing over this.

    None of the other powerful institutions in America are on your side either.

    Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions. Keep your opinions secret and apply for government jobs. The best time to start was years ago. The second best time is now.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Pericles, @stealth, @Authenticjazzman, @Corvinus, @Anonymous

    Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions. Keep your opinions secret and apply for government jobs.

    Make sure your skin color is the correct one.

  112. Most Americans, when they let themselves to think about it, believe that improprieties in the election process are common. Yet they believe in an unwritten law that the integrity of election should not be challenged and should not even be talked about. The myth of democracy should not be undermined. They also believe that the adversarial process between two parties will keep impropriates in check and will even them out over long time period. You won with a little help of stealing now but next time we will win by doing what you did but better. So neither party is interested in an honest election process and is doing nothing to improve the integrity of election. Instead they are engaged in self serving shenanigans like gerrymandering, fighting against mandatory ID… Stealing elections is as American as an apple pie. Trump supporters are not morally outraged that the election was stolen from Trump but they are angry with Trump that he let it happened, that he lost in the arm race of election stealing. The Supreme Court decision was expected and will not upset too many. The majority does not want anybody rocking the boat. The country, the corrupt, which is pretty much everybody, are is kept in balance by the doctrine of the mutually assured corruption.

    • Thanks: Cortes
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @utu


    The myth of democracy should not be undermined.
     
    The problem is that if you admit democracy is unworkable then it will have to be abandoned. That's inevitable if people actually accept that it doesn't work and can't work.

    So you'd better have an alternative system ready to go.

    A possible alternative would be monarchy but that would be un-American. So the other alternatives would be a one-party state or a military dictatorship. You pays your money and you takes your choice.

    Replies: @utu

    , @Dube
    @utu


    The country, the corrupt, which is pretty much everybody, are is kept in balance by the doctrine of the mutually assured corruption.
     
    Well coined.

    Whose image is on this coin?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @utu

  113. @PhysicistDave
    @Just another serf

    Just another serf wrote:


    The corrupt, decrepit Biden and his Indian sex worker sidekick are going to have a rough time ahead of them.
     
    The breaking news today was that little Hunter is being investigated for money laundering: I always figured that the $3.5 million was not a gift to Hunter but just an oligarch who needed to launder her money.

    The next four years are going to be miserable for the country but fun for those who view politics as entertainment. My forecast for the next four years:

    The GOP takes one of the two seats in Georgia and narrowly holds the Senate.

    In early 2022, the stock market crashes.

    In mid-2022, Sleepy Joe pardons Hunter.

    In the midterms, the GOP blows the Dems away.

    At the end of 2022, Sleepy Joe admits that 80 years old is just too old to be President and resigns.

    Therefore, Horizontal Harris becomes the first retired sex worker to serve as Prez.

    The Dems realize that Kamala cannot actually get herself elected and a bitter civil war breaks out over the 2024 Dem nomination.

    Kamala gets the nomination and chooses AOC as VP to "heal the party."

    The Donald wins the GOP nomination and chooses Kristi Noem as VP.

    Trump-Noem get 360 electoral votes.

    And happy days are here again!
    -----------------
    My prediction on 11/1/2020 was closer to the mark than I usualy do:

    Trump takes everything he took in 2016 EXCEPT WI and MI for a 280/260 win, but the Dems end up obviously stealing PA, and Trump loses in the courts. So Biden is inaugurated on 1/20/2021.
     
    Of course, I did miss that the Dems would also manage to steal AZ and, of all places, GA! Having grown up "across the river" from Illinois, I should have remembered to never under-estimate the ability of the Dems to steal an election.

    The new Trump slogan: #RememberTheSteal.

    Replies: @gent, @AnotherDad, @Gapeseed

    What sort of idiot would trust the integrity of future elections after this?

  114. @Whiskey
    No Steve, try not to be stuck in the 1980s. Any sane, sober appreciation of the system points toward violent civil war and nothing else. Nothing else is literally possible.

    Biden's team stole the election. The stealing would not matter as much if it were Kennedy-Nixon, other than personalities and which gang of thieves steals more, and patronage, but here the stakes are much, much higher. Kennedy's people did not talk of putting Nixon's people in forced labor camps after public humiliation. They did not talk of seizing everything from White people to give to blacks. They did not talk of open borders and instant citizenship for any illegal with a third of the workforce now permanently unemployed and likely half after the next spate of lockdowns, nor packing the court, nor sending the last few jobs to China or Indian H1 B workers while instituting lockdowns that never ever end. With massive unemployment and nothing in the pipeline for good paying jobs. Oh and abolishing the police and opening prisons, but just for blacks. Who are now legally entitled to prey upon Whites for any reason at all.

    Worse, as illegitimate as he is, Biden was a public and known quantity who was Obama's VP. Kamasutra is an incompetent whore who could not even manage simple competence as AG. She won not a single primary, and is seen rightly as:

    A. A Whore pure and simple.
    B. Incompetent with the charm of a rattlesnake and the disposition of a black widow spider.
    C. Militantly anti-White in her aims and disposition.
    D. Illegitimate in that no one voted for her and she's the heir to the thief who stole the election.

    Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra's camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for "war crimes" related to blowing up various Iranian generals etc. And that a great mass of soldiers will be extradited to the International Criminal Court. That's competent meritocracy for you. Add in that there are series of new lockdowns in sight: the Kazakhstan plague whatever it is, more Beer Flu lockdowns, etc. and people are angry. Most Dem Governors just canceled Christmas. Meanwhile Kamasutra is proposing race-based health care rationing and lots of goodies for blacks, abolishing the police, and nothing for Whites. Or Latinos. Obviously Team Walking Dead is being elbowed aside for Team Whore of Babylon. Weekend at Biden's is over, its now rule by grating Diversity HR manager.

    Restrictions on evictions and mortgage payment holidays will end this month. For Christmas Queen Harris has ordinary people moved from their house to a tent under a bridge. What do they have to lose now?

    And states like Texas, and Florida, and all the others that joined in can simply ignore Queen Harris and her decrees, take Trump as the legitimate President, and refuse to accept any order or edict they don't like from Queen Harris. The pressure on them to do this will be irresistable by their voters and supporters, as will use of Federal Troops to remove Governors, Sheriffs, and other people and rule directly from DC. Remember oil, gas, retail that is not Amazon or Wal-Mart, agriculture, mining, and defense spending are all going to be made extinct by Queen Harris and her group. There are lot of people in boring non-Hollywood places making money that will be made poor forever by Queen Harris and the Silicon Valley oligarchs. She's promised the Green New Deal, abolishing the internal combustion engine, flying for ordinary people, vacations, pets, eating meat, and lockdowns that never end. Meanwhile Kamasutra is likely to render a whole bunch of military people to Iran or the ICC to reopen the Iran Money Laundering machine for her backers, and rely on said military to repress states and officials and run things directly. She will likely have to use Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, the NFAC people, Anti-Fa, and the like to run things and those clowns are guaranteed to spark off the hot phase of a civil war via guaranteed atrocities. Since much of the military is likely to do a sitzkreig response to her orders after extraditing various Generals and Admirals (who are all connected) as well as Special Forces groups. Harris is too stupid to understand that. She's a less competent black-adjacent Hillary without the charm.

    The Silicon Valley Oligarchs want the "Great Reset" and to use the media and Harris who is their tool to force the average American into drinking recycled sewage and eating bugs. Since your average person would happily commit genocide of every African on the planet to avoid a lifetime of eating bugs Civil War is inevitable. Particularly since Harris has zero legitimacy. None.

    Already in California of all places, the Orange County and LA County and Riverside County Sheriffs have said they will not enforce Gov. Newsom's orders. Not the curfew, not the ban on outdoor dining, or indoor dining, or limits on congregating, or church worship. None of it.

    Ask yourself: is Kamala Harris a person who is viewed as legitimate? As even half-way liked? As someone who can even remotely make people's lives better than they are now? And what of her backers? Are Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg people who inspire confidence? What about Susan Wojicki or Sundar Pinchai or that greasy Indian guy at Microsoft?

    Trump? He will die in prison like Jeffrey Epstein. Who did not kill himself. Along with his family. The Bidens will be pardoned by Harris. But while Harris can take office with insider moves, she can't move people from being in their own homes, celebrating Christmas, with their own cars and trucks to being homeless under a bridge eating bugs and not have a violent response.

    Meritocracy? That's boomer short bus talk. The US has not been a meritocracy since the first Bush Admin. Or arguably since the Civil Rights movement. The Lockheed Skunkworks did not employ empowered black women who screamed at White men all day and talked about their hair to create the SR-71. Almost all talented White, Asian males, and Latinos are locked out anything under crushing globalization and black black black black black blackety black black black.

    Replies: @Eric Novak, @Johnny Smoggins, @Old Prude, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Peter D. Bredon, @dfordoom, @Mike Tre

    Asians and Hispanics voted for Kamala Harris overwhelmingly. What’s your stupid angle? They’re really on our side?

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Eric Novak

    Right up until Election Day, Whiskey the Fearless Prognosticator maintained that Biden would win in a landslide.

    Earth to Whiskey: Biden did not win in a landslide; he lost so badly that the leftist brigades had to manufacture truckloads of votes to get him past the finish line.

    The man has some weird gloom-and-doom mental-masturbation thing going on. I mean, I'm a cynical pessimist myself, but this is just ridiculous:


    Monday, November 2, 2020 (the day before the election)

    Biden will win in a landslide. At least, that’s what the networks will announce. You can trust Lubin Toobin, Lyin Brian Williams, and Cindy McCain of course. They will announce a stunning Biden win regardless of returns, and riots will commence until Trump concedes. If Trump does not concede, the FBI and Military will simply remove him. Likely to a Federal Penitentiary. Along with pretty much all his Administration. And most of his voters — Robert Reich’s words were no idle threat. No doubt the FBI has had for years plans for most of the Deplorables involving places like Manzanar and such.

    Tuesday, October 20, 2020

    Biden “landslide.” Its a Color Revolution. And just like those revolutions, the military will almost certainly remove Trump from the White House on Day 5 as riots and looting rage across the entire country and anti-fa and blm go wild.

    Saturday, October 17, 2020

    No it’s a Biden Landslide. White suburban women according to the FT favor Biden by 21 point. White men favor Trump by 20. Mostly over corona chan and especially BLM.

    Thursday, October 15, 2020

    No one will care. Biden is winning in a landslide, up in SC of all places. According to the FT.

    And it’s a referendum on BLM, lockdowns and no cops. So far a landslide. I see a ton of Biden signs in my neighborhood, enthusiasm through the roof. Almost no Hillary signs last time.

    Wednesday, October 14, 2020

    Biden wins in a landslide. He’s up 18 points. He literally cannot lose.

    Wednesday, October 7, 2020

    Biden at this rate is likely to sweep all fifty states. It’s Open Season on Whitey with no tag limit.
     

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  115. So they knew which way they would have to vote so have come up with a weak reason not to hear it at all. Andrew Jackson was cheated out of an election, organised the Democrat Party and came back in the next election. Trump still has plenty of energy, he can spend the next four years ensuring primaries and elections go his own way and then run when Biden has had to handle the economic fallout from the lockdowns. The majority of voters already accept the election was stolen, a powerful motivator. The issue with this is the damage the Democrats can do in the next four years on immigration etc. Still great to see another liberal institution trash their reputation.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @LondonBob

    "The issue with this is the damage the Democrats can do in the next four years on immigration"

    Like adding 20 million + formerly illegal Democrats to the voter roles. I don't see how the Republicans can ever overcome that.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  116. @Reg Cæsar
    (On-topic, eventually.) Other than a couple of PC speed bumps, this rabbi nails it:

    Why the cultural elite truly despises Hanukkah

    So, what is our anti-globalist "Hannukah"? Thanksgiving? Flag Day? What can't be universalized?

    Unfortunately, Constitution Day already has been:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Day_(United_States)

    The rest of the Anglosphere has the Queen's Birthday, albeit on the wrong date. Monarchy is a useful reminder of a nation's roots.

    Some New England states have their Patriots' Day. If you live in the East, you get an extra day to file your 1040, as the Boston office is closed. But it would be weird for Americans to celebrate April 15. (It's easier in New England, which gave the most resistance to the Sixteenth Amendment.)

    Flag Day has the advantage of being Donald Trump's birthday.

    Replies: @utu, @Ancient Briton, @Anonymous

    You should have kept Judith decapitating Holofernes as a central figure of Hanukah narrative. Then the feminists and psychopathic dikes would love your holiday.

    Instead you decided to roll out a sanitized version of Hanukah to offer children anti-Christmas tradition. You did not need to be concerned with Christmas when you lived in ghettos and shtetls. And globalization was not your problem either.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @utu


    Then the feminists and psychopathic dikes would love your holiday.

     

    My holiday is Easter. Christendom is pointless without it.

    Unfortunately, it is not a holiday in my country, as in Europe or the Empire.
  117. @Lot
    “ For those talking about secession”

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @JimB, @Redman, @SimpleSong, @fnn, @Desiderius, @RSDB, @BB753, @lavoisier, @bomag, @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman, @ThreeCranes, @Lurker

    The US is only as stable as the dollar. When the Federal Reserve will no longer be able to print money at will, all bets are off.
    That day, the “meritorious” will be in trouble. My theory is that we’re reaching that point and that the whole BLM/covid charade was meant as a cover-up for a soft coup, called the Great Reset, planned to keep the elites in power and disenfrachise the uppity American people with real talent but no connections or lacking in melanine.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Aardvark
    @BB753

    Increment digits in a computer and print banknotes to match?
    Have a look at http://www.milliondollarbabies.com. It hasn't been updated in a while but it documents the sad saga of hyper-inflation across assorted governments.
    The ability to inflate knows no bounds until the people get fed (no pun intended) up with it.
    If they succeed in eliminating cash and only using digital currencies, we will be royally phucked...
    Then it remains to be seen if a healthy barter system erupts or if precious metals mean anything.

    Replies: @BB753

  118. Trump was in the wrong. It is well-established that a state legislature’s right to choose its electoral college members is supreme. If a state legislature chooses to accept a flagrantly fraudulent election result, it has a right to do so. If a state legislature decides “fuck the election, we are just going to pick some people”, it has the right to do so.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Dave from Oz


    Trump was in the wrong. It is well-established that a state legislature’s right to choose its electoral college members is supreme. If a state legislature chooses to accept a flagrantly fraudulent election result, it has a right to do so. If a state legislature decides “fuck the election, we are just going to pick some people”, it has the right to do so.
     
    Trump is justified in doing everything in his power to prevent Biden from becoming president.

    Evidently you don't believe that life under perpetual Democratic rule will be all that bad.

    America is teetering on the edge of the abyss. Trump, for all of his faults, is not one-tenth as bad as Biden, and Biden will not be one-tenth as bad as Harris. If you think things are bad now, just wait.

    We don't have the luxury of saying, "Ah, well, all's fair in love and war. We'll try again in '24." God knows what this country will look like four years from now.

    Leftists play to win. They're happy to pull every nasty trick in the book. If we expect to be able to prevail against them, then we're going to have to start fighting dirty, as well.

    There comes a point when you have to ask yourself, "What incentive do I have to play fair and follow the rules of a game that's rigged against me? My opponents cheat openly and brazenly, and the referees let them get away with it. So why shouldn't I go after them with everything I've got?"
    , @MB
    @Dave from Oz

    Way to follow an argument, friend.
    The PA judges and governor overrode the legislature's rules for voting.
    Yeah, the legislature can pick its own electors and they can vote any way they want technically, but I don't think you want to go there, because that's what electors can do constitutionally.

  119. @Peterike
    Banana republic!!

    Or more like matzoh republic. 2021 is gonna be lit.

    Steve, you have at best two years until you and Unz are shut down by hate speech laws. Start saving money big time.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Known Fact

    Money?

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Father O'Hara

    He means the yellow kind you sew into your clothes or bury in your back yard.

  120. anon[157] • Disclaimer says:

    I just don’t want to look at Biden’s stupid grinning face for the next four years. If you go back to the 80s or so, you’ll see a lot of satirical depictions of brainless, glad-handing politicians who are just like Biden. Basically, if you look at how Reagan was portrayed by “edgy” comics, as a senile, doddering old fool, that’s how Biden actually is. Nowadays, that’s what all the hip, cool people want, I guess. Of course, at least the caricatures could talk, unlike Biden.

    Biden reminds me of Al Franken’s impression of Pat Robertson from SNL back in 1988. For example:

    I’m not looking forward to the next four years of him doing his “Look, the country is healing!” shtick, as everyone to the right of Sean Hannity gets thrown in prison, and everyone’s guns are taken away, and the country gets handed over to Asians and Central Americans. And if I have to hear any more about those guys from Charlottesville, with their veins eternally bulging, I’m going to vomit.

    And the media is going to be even more absolutely insufferable than it already is, of course.

    Fortunately, there’s around half the country that is simply not going to buy any of it this time. I realize that there’s not much that they’re actually going to be able to do about it, but at least they’re not going to be content to just watch the NFL and grill and pretend that everything is normal.

  121. @RSDB
    @Lot


    The Russian ... revolutionaries were ... better in their human capital than the hereditary government they deposed.
     
    And your evidence for this is ... ?

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Verymuchalive, @utu, @J.Ross, @Bill

    The Russian … revolutionaries were … better in their human capital than the hereditary government they deposed.

    And your evidence for this is … ?

    The fact that they won?

    • Replies: @RSDB
    @dfordoom

    Do you consider that sufficient evidence, or are you speaking rhetorically?

  122. @PhysicistDave
    @Dave Pinsen

    Dave Pinsen wrote:


    Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions. Keep your opinions secret and apply for government jobs. The best time to start was years ago. The second best time is now.
     
    No: stay quiet long enough about your true beliefs, and you end up not believing in them any longer.

    Forty years ago, I was friends with a "radical libertarian" who hated the GOP so much that he advocated social ostracism against anyone who even spoke to a GOP group, including a mutual friend. In the end, he ended up working for the Bush II Administration in Iraq!

    Selling out is very, very easy to do.

    No, the "long march through the institutions" worked for the Left because the Left believes in coercive institutions. The fundamental problem is not that those institutions are controlled by the Left but that those institutions never should have existed in the first place --the Intelligence Community, the medical cartel, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, state-funded education, and all the rest.

    No, what we need to do is delegitimize those institutions, above all the Leviathan federal government that we still pretend is governed by the Constitution.

    The American revolutionaries did not find a better king: they dumped the King.

    We need to follow their example.

    All power to the people. Dismantle the elite.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Achmed E. Newman, @dfordoom

    No, the “long march through the institutions” worked for the Left because the Left believes in coercive institutions.

    It worked because they bothered to actually do it, instead of just complaining about how unfair it was that they didn’t control those institutions.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @dfordoom

    dfordoom wrote to me:


    [The "long march through the institutions”] worked because [the Left] bothered to actually do it, instead of just complaining about how unfair it was that they didn’t control those institutions.
     
    No, it worked because those institutions were intrinsically corruptible and therefore would inevitably be corrupted.

    Create a legally protected cartel in any industry -- not just the medical industry -- and see what happens.

    Give a small group of people government-backed power over the entire monetary and financial system of the country (AKA the Fed) and see what happens.

    Make the educational system a tool of the ruling elite (any ruling elite) and see what happens.

    And similarly for a standing military, the "Intelligence Community," and all the rest.

    You have not read (or understood) your Tolkien, I see: "one ring of power to rule them all."

    Good men, even saintly men, are inevitably corrupted by being given coercive power over their fellow man.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  123. What happens next? The law suits against five or six states alleging fraud will continue winding their way toward SCOTUS, including, I presume, the one against Pennsylvania for which emergency injunctive relief was denied but not cert. Unless Trump’s lawyers — who include the most famous prosecutor in American history who is given props even by the mob for his work against them — have completely lost their minds, the evidence of fraud will be clearly demonstrated.

    The Texas suit was thrown out on a technicality of standing — states are not covered by the Equal Protection Clause. Bush v Gore, which found counties to be covered under the clause, was rejected as a precedent. There’s little dispute about the substantive argument in the Texas suit. The Constitution specifically sets out how electors are to be chosen by the states, and these four states went beyond the specified procedure.

    What happens if courts, including SCOTUS, continue to refuse to even look at evidence of fraud? Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act, and be supported by a coalition of military intelligence and special ops units. Biden will never be president.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @gsjackson

    Maybe ... But, like I've said, Trump has a long track record of playing hardball in the courts up until the time the courts rule, then accepting their judgments.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @gsjackson

    Can you spell out the precise next steps you envision after Trump invokes the Insurrection Act? Do you imagine he’ll have Biden arrested, the Supreme Court Justices arrested or what?

    Replies: @gsjackson

    , @Hibernian
    @gsjackson


    ...who include the most famous prosecutor in American history who is given props even by the mob for his work against them...
     
    Yes, when he was a much younger (by about 30-35 years) man.

    Replies: @gsjackson

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @gsjackson

    As Andrew McCarthy pointed out, if executive and judicial parties subvert legislative election rules, the legislatures in question can address those issues. If they don't, the implication is clear--they implicitly approve the actions. It's also true what he says about the precedent. We don't want to live in a country where states are constantly fighting to invalidate each others' results. Imagine if these were Soros-backed Attorneys General claiming that some purple state's results were invalid because of XYZ racist disenfranchisement reason.

    But the refusal of all institutions to give the fraud charges a hearing in some public venue is a serious problem just due to the widespread belief in the fraud and regardless of the merits of the charges. It's clear that there is an attempt to "enforce" legitimacy by simply silencing people and returning to business as usual, but that is the wrong strategy to actually built trust and buy-in from the public. Plus, it looks like they are going to have to keep engaging in more and more serious censorship in order to silence people.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    , @anon
    @gsjackson

    Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act, and be supported by a coalition of military intelligence and special ops units.

    Man. Imagine if the military or the intelligence services were on Trump's side. Wouldn't that be something!

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @gsjackson

    " Bush v Gore, which found counties to be covered under the clause, was rejected as a precedent. "

    So, they just make things up as they go along. Who/whom I guess.

    So, I guess states don't have "standing": so, who the fuck does? Apparently no one. Just move along.

    What a country.

  124. @gsjackson
    What happens next? The law suits against five or six states alleging fraud will continue winding their way toward SCOTUS, including, I presume, the one against Pennsylvania for which emergency injunctive relief was denied but not cert. Unless Trump's lawyers -- who include the most famous prosecutor in American history who is given props even by the mob for his work against them -- have completely lost their minds, the evidence of fraud will be clearly demonstrated.

    The Texas suit was thrown out on a technicality of standing -- states are not covered by the Equal Protection Clause. Bush v Gore, which found counties to be covered under the clause, was rejected as a precedent. There's little dispute about the substantive argument in the Texas suit. The Constitution specifically sets out how electors are to be chosen by the states, and these four states went beyond the specified procedure.

    What happens if courts, including SCOTUS, continue to refuse to even look at evidence of fraud? Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act, and be supported by a coalition of military intelligence and special ops units. Biden will never be president.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dave Pinsen, @Hibernian, @Chrisnonymous, @anon, @Peter D. Bredon

    Maybe … But, like I’ve said, Trump has a long track record of playing hardball in the courts up until the time the courts rule, then accepting their judgments.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    And his supporters end up, dumbfounded, with three crisp one dollar bills for their trouble.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

  125. @anon
    Done with this idiot boomer blog. Lots of wasted time on here.

    The one message from 2020 is that political violence works.

    Have fun discussing baseball stats while others are fighting and dying for our culture.

    Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @James Braxton, @TWS, @Anonymous, @ben tillman

    Have fun discussing baseball stats while others are fighting and dying for our culture.

    Looks like you’ll get your chance tomorrow.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Annakhait/status/1337600067352612864

    Supposedly, antifa have been crowdfunding to buy weapons to bring to the Stop The Steal rally tomorrow.

    Could be an interesting day.

    Of course, if we’ve learned anything over the past four years, it’s that antifa gets to attack white people all they want, and you’ll go to prison for fighting back, so I don’t know if “interesting” is good, necessarily. But still.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @anon

    Supposedly, antifa have been crowdfunding to buy weapons to bring to the Stop The Steal rally tomorrow.

    Uh, have you been to a gun store lately? It's a bit late to be buying weapons.

    "Well, sir, we still have this old Iver Johnson .32 caliber revolver at a reasonable price. It's a classic--President McKinley was assassinated with one, so it sounds like just what you want. Unfortunately, we haven't had any ammunition for the past six months."

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @J1234

  126. @Eric Novak
    @Whiskey

    Asians and Hispanics voted for Kamala Harris overwhelmingly. What’s your stupid angle? They’re really on our side?

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Right up until Election Day, Whiskey the Fearless Prognosticator maintained that Biden would win in a landslide.

    Earth to Whiskey: Biden did not win in a landslide; he lost so badly that the leftist brigades had to manufacture truckloads of votes to get him past the finish line.

    The man has some weird gloom-and-doom mental-masturbation thing going on. I mean, I’m a cynical pessimist myself, but this is just ridiculous:

    Monday, November 2, 2020 (the day before the election)

    Biden will win in a landslide. At least, that’s what the networks will announce. You can trust Lubin Toobin, Lyin Brian Williams, and Cindy McCain of course. They will announce a stunning Biden win regardless of returns, and riots will commence until Trump concedes. If Trump does not concede, the FBI and Military will simply remove him. Likely to a Federal Penitentiary. Along with pretty much all his Administration. And most of his voters — Robert Reich’s words were no idle threat. No doubt the FBI has had for years plans for most of the Deplorables involving places like Manzanar and such.

    Tuesday, October 20, 2020

    Biden “landslide.” Its a Color Revolution. And just like those revolutions, the military will almost certainly remove Trump from the White House on Day 5 as riots and looting rage across the entire country and anti-fa and blm go wild.

    Saturday, October 17, 2020

    No it’s a Biden Landslide. White suburban women according to the FT favor Biden by 21 point. White men favor Trump by 20. Mostly over corona chan and especially BLM.

    Thursday, October 15, 2020

    No one will care. Biden is winning in a landslide, up in SC of all places. According to the FT.

    And it’s a referendum on BLM, lockdowns and no cops. So far a landslide. I see a ton of Biden signs in my neighborhood, enthusiasm through the roof. Almost no Hillary signs last time.

    Wednesday, October 14, 2020

    Biden wins in a landslide. He’s up 18 points. He literally cannot lose.

    Wednesday, October 7, 2020

    Biden at this rate is likely to sweep all fifty states. It’s Open Season on Whitey with no tag limit.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Stan Adams

    Whiskey qualified for my "Commenters to Ignore" setting a long time ago.

  127. But it was never very likely that the 6-3 GOP majority on the Supreme Court would open themselves up to certain vengeance down the road by Democratic court-packers merely to give Donald Trump another term.

    Thus opening the door to a Harris-Biden administration and Dem Congress that have openly promised to pack the court at the first opportunity. Someone must have made the mother of back-room deals.

  128. @utu
    Most Americans, when they let themselves to think about it, believe that improprieties in the election process are common. Yet they believe in an unwritten law that the integrity of election should not be challenged and should not even be talked about. The myth of democracy should not be undermined. They also believe that the adversarial process between two parties will keep impropriates in check and will even them out over long time period. You won with a little help of stealing now but next time we will win by doing what you did but better. So neither party is interested in an honest election process and is doing nothing to improve the integrity of election. Instead they are engaged in self serving shenanigans like gerrymandering, fighting against mandatory ID... Stealing elections is as American as an apple pie. Trump supporters are not morally outraged that the election was stolen from Trump but they are angry with Trump that he let it happened, that he lost in the arm race of election stealing. The Supreme Court decision was expected and will not upset too many. The majority does not want anybody rocking the boat. The country, the corrupt, which is pretty much everybody, are is kept in balance by the doctrine of the mutually assured corruption.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Dube

    The myth of democracy should not be undermined.

    The problem is that if you admit democracy is unworkable then it will have to be abandoned. That’s inevitable if people actually accept that it doesn’t work and can’t work.

    So you’d better have an alternative system ready to go.

    A possible alternative would be monarchy but that would be un-American. So the other alternatives would be a one-party state or a military dictatorship. You pays your money and you takes your choice.

    • Disagree: utu
    • Replies: @utu
    @dfordoom

    No, I did not mean that democracy is unworkable. It can be better or worse. What I meant by the myth of democracy was the myth of pristine democracy. It is not pristine and probably never was. Americans are very pragmatic and they are willing to accept and overlook blemishes. What counts the most is stability and continuity. In that sense America has the oldest working political system.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  129. @Dave from Oz
    Trump was in the wrong. It is well-established that a state legislature's right to choose its electoral college members is supreme. If a state legislature chooses to accept a flagrantly fraudulent election result, it has a right to do so. If a state legislature decides "fuck the election, we are just going to pick some people", it has the right to do so.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @MB

    Trump was in the wrong. It is well-established that a state legislature’s right to choose its electoral college members is supreme. If a state legislature chooses to accept a flagrantly fraudulent election result, it has a right to do so. If a state legislature decides “fuck the election, we are just going to pick some people”, it has the right to do so.

    Trump is justified in doing everything in his power to prevent Biden from becoming president.

    Evidently you don’t believe that life under perpetual Democratic rule will be all that bad.

    America is teetering on the edge of the abyss. Trump, for all of his faults, is not one-tenth as bad as Biden, and Biden will not be one-tenth as bad as Harris. If you think things are bad now, just wait.

    We don’t have the luxury of saying, “Ah, well, all’s fair in love and war. We’ll try again in ’24.” God knows what this country will look like four years from now.

    Leftists play to win. They’re happy to pull every nasty trick in the book. If we expect to be able to prevail against them, then we’re going to have to start fighting dirty, as well.

    There comes a point when you have to ask yourself, “What incentive do I have to play fair and follow the rules of a game that’s rigged against me? My opponents cheat openly and brazenly, and the referees let them get away with it. So why shouldn’t I go after them with everything I’ve got?”

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks, TTSSYF, Kylie, BB753
    • Troll: Corvinus
  130. @gsjackson
    What happens next? The law suits against five or six states alleging fraud will continue winding their way toward SCOTUS, including, I presume, the one against Pennsylvania for which emergency injunctive relief was denied but not cert. Unless Trump's lawyers -- who include the most famous prosecutor in American history who is given props even by the mob for his work against them -- have completely lost their minds, the evidence of fraud will be clearly demonstrated.

    The Texas suit was thrown out on a technicality of standing -- states are not covered by the Equal Protection Clause. Bush v Gore, which found counties to be covered under the clause, was rejected as a precedent. There's little dispute about the substantive argument in the Texas suit. The Constitution specifically sets out how electors are to be chosen by the states, and these four states went beyond the specified procedure.

    What happens if courts, including SCOTUS, continue to refuse to even look at evidence of fraud? Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act, and be supported by a coalition of military intelligence and special ops units. Biden will never be president.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dave Pinsen, @Hibernian, @Chrisnonymous, @anon, @Peter D. Bredon

    Can you spell out the precise next steps you envision after Trump invokes the Insurrection Act? Do you imagine he’ll have Biden arrested, the Supreme Court Justices arrested or what?

    • Replies: @gsjackson
    @Dave Pinsen

    No, not really. The prediction is just speculative. Obviously if it happens we're in completely uncharted waters. Military tribunals would probably play a role.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  131. @LRFD
    Nothing happens today other anger and loathing. Give it a few years. Puppet regimes are unstable when there are multiple factions vying for control. (Kamala is just as much of a puppet as Joe. She has no independent power base.) There will be a crisis, and TPTB will be unable to solve it using their typical tricks (that wouldn’t you know it, benefit themselves). Since they aren’t terribly bright, they will double-down causing further ruin. This crisis will spiral out of control, because for TPTB to change their approach means that they will cede power and influence. They will not feel confident enough to do that. At some point, they will be unable to pay their enforcers, and that’s when things get interesting. (Debasing currency never ends well, even when you have the reserve currency. See Rome during the Crisis of the Third Century. It was effectively the world.) Trump tries to make a return, but by that point history has passed him by. The anger and loathing finds a different, more effective vehicle.

    One more thing: Steve described America as a meritocracy in his piece on succession: Is that really how you would describe it? Do the people in charge really strike you as the best and brightest? Or do they strike you as people who grasped the greasy pole and just kept climbing? Do they strike you instead as someone who was selected because they checked the right boxes and were protected from on high? Isn’t a large part of this blog: a contemporary record of the corruptness and ineptitude of the ruling class? Quite seriously, would an honest, sane man with reasonable views who spoke his mind last more than a few days in the Swamp? (Trump is unreasonable and not quite sane. God bless him.) What we have today is, in the words of Moldbug, “an egalitarian, bureaucratic scientocracy.” It is not based on merit, though that is a useful fiction. It is also insane.

    The question is how do we return to sane government without bloodshed?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Achmed E. Newman, @Bardon Kaldian

    Great point, LFRD (minus the take on Steve Sailer’s opinion – I couldn’t remember that opinion from a previous post of his either).

    Anyway, that’s what I disagree with when reading posts and comments about these big long-term conspiracy theories by the elites. I’m not saying there aren’t concrete plans by the Soros’ s and those types, such as his evil Secretary of State/AG project. However, lots of elites got there because their parents knew people or spent the big bucks to get them into Harvard, then they had helping hands into the elite ranks in politics and Big Biz, and yes, AA for the non-whites.

    These people aren’t smarter than the average fast-food worker, but they are more worldly. This makes them think they know it all and know what’s good for us, which is the problem. I don’t think they make devious evil plans. They flair around screwing up the country with their stupidity.

    As for your question, we’re not. They cannot let us secede for the same reason the Communists couldn’t let countries secede for individual keep crossing into W. Berlin.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Anyway, that’s what I disagree with when reading posts and comments about these big long-term conspiracy theories by the elites. I’m not saying there aren’t concrete plans by the Soros’ s and those types, such as his evil Secretary of State/AG project. However, lots of elites got there because their parents knew people or spent the big bucks to get them into Harvard, then they had helping hands into the elite ranks in politics and Big Biz, and yes, AA for the non-whites.

    These people aren’t smarter than the average fast-food worker, but they are more worldly. This makes them think they know it all and know what’s good for us, which is the problem. I don’t think they make devious evil plans. They flair around screwing up the country with their stupidity.
     
    Yep. The elites are not SPECTRE - diabolical criminal geniuses with a master plan for world domination. They're a bunch of people who have power and money but their motivations are all over the place. For some of the elites the motivation is just pure greed. For some it's power. For some it's status. For some the motivation is just to maintain their membership of the elite class. Some are motivated by good intentions. Sometimes the good intentions are hopelessly misguided are hopelessly incoherent.

    Some of the elites are motivated by hatred and fear of non-elites. Some are motivated by personal grudges - if they're homosexuals they have it in for heterosexuals or for Christianity. Some are Christians and they're motivated by Christian universalism. Some are atheists who hate Christianity. Some members of the elite are evil. Some are basically good but in a chaotic emotional way. Some are so self-centred that they can't be described as good or evil - they just want what is best for themselves.

    Some members of the elites are highly intelligent. Some are frighteningly mediocre. Some are clever at amassing power and/or money but as dumb as rocks when it comes to anything else.

    As for your question, we’re not. They cannot let us secede for the same reason the Communists couldn’t let countries secede for individual keep crossing into W. Berlin.
     
    Agreed, but it has to be remembered that any centralised state, regardless of its ruling ideology, will fight tooth and nail to prevent the state from being broken up. Spain won't let Catalonia secede. The Ottoman Empire did whatever it could to prevent subject peoples from breaking away from the Empire. The Austro-Hungarian Empire did the same. The English fought bitterly to prevent Irish independence. The British establishment waged a bitter (and successful) struggle to prevent Scottish independence. The United States fought a bloody war to prevent secession in the 1860s.

    If you have dreams of secession you have to accept that the centralised state apparatus will use every means at its disposal to oppose your plans, including the use of military force. If the use of military force results in millions of deaths they will still use military force against you.
  132. @Clyde
    Compromised John Roberts is the poison on the Supreme Court. The libs on the Court are going to do lib. But the three new conservative Trump appointees... John Roberts laid down the law to them. And these three are fool enough to be in awe of Chief Justice John Roberts. This Supreme Court will rule on minor stuff but no balls or courage to rule fairly on 2020 election fraud. "Why ruin my familiy's Christmas holiday season for Trump, who everyone in DC hates anyway" "I will never get another invite to a prestigious lib cocktails party" Trump? F 'im. I am not going let him ruin my life and my children's lives. They will never be able to get into Brown or Harvard"

    With Roberts the SC is 5-4. It is not 6-3.
    And all those here who complain about Trump. You are going to miss him when he's gone.
    What blackmail does Roberts have hanging over him? The dubious way he and wife adopted two Irish babies. The internet has more on this.

    Replies: @Keypusher, @Achmed E. Newman, @Twodees Partain, @Supply and Demand

    “Why ruin my familiy’s Christmas holiday season for Trump, who everyone in DC hates anyway” “I will never get another invite to a prestigious lib cocktails party”

    Exactly, Clyde, and the same for Congressmen, Senators and the higher-level bureaucrats – see The Cocktail Party theory of Political Stupidity.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Covid has cut down on the socializing in DC but this will come back. Because much of DC is run on who you know, who you worked with, who you are related to. The cocktail parties are part of this. The women and wives want to show off new dresses and hairdos etc. The men want to network to do deals ($$$)and to exchange notes on their screwing the average American skullduggery.
    I read your peak stupidity entry which elaborates on this.
    I won't mind if they drop the big one now on DC.

    , @Clyde
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Censored anti-lockdown song by Eric Clapton: ''Stand and Deliver''
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3LXBbSPbm0

  133. @Kylie
    @Just another serf

    "HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR HUMANS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE."

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Sam Malone

    A man may truly live in his dreams, his noblest dreams, but only, only if he is worthy of those dreams.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Stan Adams

    "I am a golden god. ... I love music!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCfFCFkVSss

    , @Kylie
    @Stan Adams

    Your juxtaposition of the Ellison quotation with that absurd image is equal parts hilarious and horrifying.

  134. @Dave Pinsen
    @gsjackson

    Can you spell out the precise next steps you envision after Trump invokes the Insurrection Act? Do you imagine he’ll have Biden arrested, the Supreme Court Justices arrested or what?

    Replies: @gsjackson

    No, not really. The prediction is just speculative. Obviously if it happens we’re in completely uncharted waters. Military tribunals would probably play a role.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @gsjackson

    Wait, you had just stated that "Trump WILL invoke the Insurrection Act", then backtrack and say you were speculating. Seriously, offer us a cogent response in what makes you believe that Trump has the chops to go down that road.

    I mean, is it not that obvious the fix was in? Breaking News...

    https://creativedestructionmedia.com/investigations/2020/12/12/breaking-antrim-county-mi-examination-results-dominion-machines-connected-to-internet-fake-ballots-thought-to-be-sent-to-europe-for-approval-cyber-teams-have-concrete-proof-of-election-fraud

    "CDMedia has been informed by sources close to the investigation that cyber teams which examined Dominion Voting Systems machines in Antrim County, Michigan last weekend have found concrete proof of massive cyber election fraud. There is more coming on this story but essentially fake ballots in massive amounts were counted and ‘approved’ in Europe, in either Spain or Germany".

    Did not Sidney Powell a week or two weeks ago claimed she had smoking gun evidence, and that the truth would come out? So, where is she now? Perhaps you can fill in the blanks here, since "Biden will never be president".

    Replies: @gsjackson

  135. @Stan Adams
    @Kylie


    A man may truly live in his dreams, his noblest dreams, but only, only if he is worthy of those dreams.
     
    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b1a0707fa083879dc67c4841440e3015b4123a03/c=0-374-3745-2490/local/-/media/2017/06/26/Wilmington/Wilmington/636340820833333076-062617-BidenPool-SP729.JPG

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Kylie

    “I am a golden god. … I love music!”

  136. @Noticer of things
    @Johnny Bone

    Steve doesn't even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He's stated that.

    It's shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the "anomalies" and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying, e.g., https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/ (previous two posts on that site also lay out specific "anomalies" that, taken together, are essentially statistically impossible).

    Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind. I think there are some people who just can't bear to believe that the US has already become a banana republic--that includes a lot of his "respectable" readers/commenters here no doubt.

    I'll just say this. I have on occasion donated to Steve in the past, and I appreciate his courageous research on many subjects, but I'd like to focus my future contributions on those who are on the same page on really important issues. Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big. Hopefully he and others can continue to keep an open mind and review the data. I believe more and more people, when they really get a chance to look at the data, will come to understand that there was massive fraud at play.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Keypusher, @Dube, @Anonymous, @TTSSYF, @Corvinus, @TWS, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @ben tillman

    Nobody who isn’t anonymous or living out in the middle of nowhere is free to publicly discuss this issue.

  137. @dfordoom
    @PhysicistDave


    No, the “long march through the institutions” worked for the Left because the Left believes in coercive institutions.
     
    It worked because they bothered to actually do it, instead of just complaining about how unfair it was that they didn't control those institutions.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    dfordoom wrote to me:

    [The “long march through the institutions”] worked because [the Left] bothered to actually do it, instead of just complaining about how unfair it was that they didn’t control those institutions.

    No, it worked because those institutions were intrinsically corruptible and therefore would inevitably be corrupted.

    Create a legally protected cartel in any industry — not just the medical industry — and see what happens.

    Give a small group of people government-backed power over the entire monetary and financial system of the country (AKA the Fed) and see what happens.

    Make the educational system a tool of the ruling elite (any ruling elite) and see what happens.

    And similarly for a standing military, the “Intelligence Community,” and all the rest.

    You have not read (or understood) your Tolkien, I see: “one ring of power to rule them all.”

    Good men, even saintly men, are inevitably corrupted by being given coercive power over their fellow man.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @PhysicistDave

    The left didn’t march through the institutions however much in their hubris they set out to do so.

    The institutions marched through the left.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  138. @anon
    Done with this idiot boomer blog. Lots of wasted time on here.

    The one message from 2020 is that political violence works.

    Have fun discussing baseball stats while others are fighting and dying for our culture.

    Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @James Braxton, @TWS, @Anonymous, @ben tillman

    Fedposting is not wanted here.

  139. @PhysicistDave
    @Dave Pinsen

    Dave Pinsen wrote:


    Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions. Keep your opinions secret and apply for government jobs. The best time to start was years ago. The second best time is now.
     
    No: stay quiet long enough about your true beliefs, and you end up not believing in them any longer.

    Forty years ago, I was friends with a "radical libertarian" who hated the GOP so much that he advocated social ostracism against anyone who even spoke to a GOP group, including a mutual friend. In the end, he ended up working for the Bush II Administration in Iraq!

    Selling out is very, very easy to do.

    No, the "long march through the institutions" worked for the Left because the Left believes in coercive institutions. The fundamental problem is not that those institutions are controlled by the Left but that those institutions never should have existed in the first place --the Intelligence Community, the medical cartel, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, state-funded education, and all the rest.

    No, what we need to do is delegitimize those institutions, above all the Leviathan federal government that we still pretend is governed by the Constitution.

    The American revolutionaries did not find a better king: they dumped the King.

    We need to follow their example.

    All power to the people. Dismantle the elite.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Achmed E. Newman, @dfordoom

    No, the “long march through the institutions” worked for the Left because the Left believes in coercive institutions. The fundamental problem is not that those institutions are controlled by the Left but that those institutions never should have existed in the first place –the Intelligence Community, the medical cartel, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, state-funded education, and all the rest.

    No, what we need to do is delegitimize those institutions, above all the Leviathan federal government that we still pretend is governed by the Constitution.

    Excellent point, Dave. However, I wanted to point out that there are other institutions that the left has marched through over the years (for almost a century). That’d be the mainstream press, the universities, and lower education (Big Ed, the Education-Industrial Complex including teachers, school boards, Ed schools).

    Then, I thought, wait, Physicist Dave is right. Those institutions have got to go too!

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  140. @gsjackson
    What happens next? The law suits against five or six states alleging fraud will continue winding their way toward SCOTUS, including, I presume, the one against Pennsylvania for which emergency injunctive relief was denied but not cert. Unless Trump's lawyers -- who include the most famous prosecutor in American history who is given props even by the mob for his work against them -- have completely lost their minds, the evidence of fraud will be clearly demonstrated.

    The Texas suit was thrown out on a technicality of standing -- states are not covered by the Equal Protection Clause. Bush v Gore, which found counties to be covered under the clause, was rejected as a precedent. There's little dispute about the substantive argument in the Texas suit. The Constitution specifically sets out how electors are to be chosen by the states, and these four states went beyond the specified procedure.

    What happens if courts, including SCOTUS, continue to refuse to even look at evidence of fraud? Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act, and be supported by a coalition of military intelligence and special ops units. Biden will never be president.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dave Pinsen, @Hibernian, @Chrisnonymous, @anon, @Peter D. Bredon

    …who include the most famous prosecutor in American history who is given props even by the mob for his work against them…

    Yes, when he was a much younger (by about 30-35 years) man.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
    @Hibernian

    I'd imagine he can still evaluate evidence. There's no reason to think he would be impeded there, no Bidenesque moments of obvious mental incompetence. He would probably do well with a division of labor in court -- if any court ever actually agrees to look at the merits of the cases.

  141. @Joseph Doaks
    If a U.S. state's executive authorities can subvert its own constitution, its own legislature AND the U.S. constitution, and have its own highest court support the subversion, how is it different from any third world dictatorship? And if that subversion saddles the other states of the nation with a regime that has promised to increase their taxes, open their borders and dilute their influence by increasing the number of states, how can they not have "standing" to seek redress?

    This is democracy? The world is laughing at us.

    Replies: @brabantian

    US courts have been known internationally for decades, to be of little value to anyone except the US oligarchy, the milestone of Supreme Court descent into total hell perhaps reached 27 years ago

    A legal scholar who is a Harvard classmate of US Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, was forced to go into exile in Europe after US federal judges took part in a criminal scheme threatening to murder him … and he now provides US legal system victims with a FAQ on US Judicial and Legal Corruption

    A Guide for the Perplexed victims of US legal corruption, particularly common working people, minorities, and the vulnerable, when mauled by sadistic lying judges and gangster lawyers.

    Legal injustice victims are often in agony, mystified by how no one seems willing to help, after betrayal and abuse by courts, counsel, prosecutors, politicians, media, and bent ‘bar ethics’ and ‘civil liberties’ groups.

  142. @Dmon
    @Anon7

    Harris will head the Central Authority for Societal Transfer of Equity system. This program will implement executive-decreed reparations for all persons qualifying as National Wealth Ordained Recipient Designees.
    Once China gets ahold of Taiwan and TSM, they'll have all of Apple's IP plus one of the world's two 5nm foundries, so short Apple/long Huawei.
    This is how China deals with their Jack Dorsey's. It's far superior to our system - I don't remember seeing a single picture of Roger Stone being led away in chains. Note also that everyone is wearing a mask. A responsible government puts safety above all else - wouldn't want him to die from Covid before they can Epstein him in his cell. I was under the impression they had stopped the 'rona dead in it's tracks back in March, but you can't be too careful.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/12/hong-kongs-jimmy-lai-in-court-to-face-national-security-charges

    Replies: @clyde

    Once China gets ahold of Taiwan and TSM, they’ll have all of Apple’s IP plus one of the world’s two 5nm foundries, so short Apple/long Huawei.
    This is how China deals with their Jack Dorsey’s. It’s far superior to our system – I don’t remember seeing a single picture of Roger Stone being led away in chains.

    Right! Seizing Taiwan and TSM is a no brainer. Biden will not resist this move. It will instantly give CCP and China a 10% boost.
    Taiwan Semiconductor Mfg. Co. Ltd.
    NYSE: TSM

    As far as I know Samsung is TSM’s only worthy competition. BTW just bought a refurb back up computer. The Intel inside is i5-8400 and is made via 14 nanometer process. This chip is very strong but runs at 65 watts. Funky but chic!

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @clyde

    Yeah, Samsung has the only other 5nm foundry that I know of. That TSM fab in Arizona will probably be pulled off the table too, so even Intel will be totally dependent on the PLA for any cutting edge chips. Basically, all of the processing power of the US Military will be purchased from its' main competition. Steve's analogies to the 7 Years War (passing of the long-term World Economic Domination Torch from France to England) is very apropos here. This is truly an epochal event, with the U.S. unfortunately playing the part of pre-revolutionary France.

    Replies: @Clyde

  143. @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous

    The courts aren't on your side. I wouldn't spend a dollar suing over this.

    None of the other powerful institutions in America are on your side either.

    Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions. Keep your opinions secret and apply for government jobs. The best time to start was years ago. The second best time is now.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Pericles, @stealth, @Authenticjazzman, @Corvinus, @Anonymous

    It is the only way forward. I have thought the same thing.

  144. ‘Lukewarm take: It’s fairly hard to infer how people would have behaved if the election were closer. (Close enough that Trump’s efforts to overturn the result would stand a chance.) I mean we know how Trump would have behaved, but everyone else—courts, state officials, etc.’

    ! Sheer hypocrisy. Given the infinitesimal winning margins in the critical states and the suspect manner in which those margins appeared, it’s hard to see how the election could have been closer.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Colin Wright

    He's rubbing your nose in it. He's a con(fidence) man. It's his job.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  145. Trump is an extraordinarily resilient personality, so I’m sure he’ll think of some next step in his remarkable career.

    Trump is a fatally flawed and fatally failed change agent.

    America needs an authentic change agent with genuine intelligence and genuine integrity. If toxic, stupid, narcissistic Trump remains the totem for change, then America is cooked for sure.

    The sooner the people fed up with the sclerotic Status Quo shove Trump off the stage and dump the incoherent, half-baked ideology defined by “Trumpism” the better.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Neutral Observer

    I'm sure it was satisfying to get that off your chest, but don't hold your breath waiting for "an authentic change agent with genuine intelligence and genuine integrity" to get elected president. It will never be allowed to happen. In its open assault on Trump, the system has revealed itself.

    , @Anon
    @Neutral Observer

    The left hated Reagan with a passion and the media waged a propaganda war against him. Unlike Trump, Reagan was a slick guy who knew what to say without ruffling feathers. It didn't help him at all. He was demonized by the left during his entire presidency.

  146. @Anon
    The Supreme Court has just set a precedent that it's now legal for every presidential election to be stolen. The Democrats will start trying to steal every presidential election forever, now that the Highest Court in the Land has decided it has no business making sure the USA has fair and honest elections, and that the system of democracy needs no protection. The Supreme Court just tore up the Constitution. There is no longer a Constitution based on democratic principles if there is no democracy anymore.

    This is a horrible precedent. We've begun the first step of forever leaving democracy behind and turning into a tyranny.

    We're officially new Romans crying over the death of the old Roman Republic.

    The USA will never recover from this.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Right, everyone was assuming that the era of Democrat permanent government would begin when whites became a minority. This postal voting fraud thing has brought that date forward 20 years.

  147. @Steve Sailer
    @gsjackson

    Maybe ... But, like I've said, Trump has a long track record of playing hardball in the courts up until the time the courts rule, then accepting their judgments.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    And his supporters end up, dumbfounded, with three crisp one dollar bills for their trouble.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Desiderius

    I liked the USFL. The only pro football championship Detroit has had in my lifetime. Not counting Arena ball.

  148. @PhysicistDave
    @dfordoom

    dfordoom wrote to me:


    [The "long march through the institutions”] worked because [the Left] bothered to actually do it, instead of just complaining about how unfair it was that they didn’t control those institutions.
     
    No, it worked because those institutions were intrinsically corruptible and therefore would inevitably be corrupted.

    Create a legally protected cartel in any industry -- not just the medical industry -- and see what happens.

    Give a small group of people government-backed power over the entire monetary and financial system of the country (AKA the Fed) and see what happens.

    Make the educational system a tool of the ruling elite (any ruling elite) and see what happens.

    And similarly for a standing military, the "Intelligence Community," and all the rest.

    You have not read (or understood) your Tolkien, I see: "one ring of power to rule them all."

    Good men, even saintly men, are inevitably corrupted by being given coercive power over their fellow man.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The left didn’t march through the institutions however much in their hubris they set out to do so.

    The institutions marched through the left.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Desiderius


    The left didn’t march through the institutions however much in their hubris they set out to do so.

    The institutions marched through the left.
     
    Yep. That's a very pithy and very accurate assessment.

    The Long March Through the Institutions led the Left to total defeat.
  149. It wasn’t the left who did this lol.

    The Fed Soc isn’t left.

  150. @Lot
    “ For those talking about secession”

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @JimB, @Redman, @SimpleSong, @fnn, @Desiderius, @RSDB, @BB753, @lavoisier, @bomag, @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman, @ThreeCranes, @Lurker

    Totally Disagree.

    We are about as far away today from a meritocracy as one can get. A better description would be a corruptocracy.

    The rich get richer, and the very rich get extraordinarily rich. The seamless connection between the very rich and the government is obvious.

    And what is meritocratic about vulture capitalists and hedge fund managers making billions of dollars? Wall Street bankers as the cream of the crop?? I would think the key behavioral characteristic for this line of work is not high intelligence but psychopathy.

    No, there is a deep sense of anger and unease across the land, and this is not because people resent hard working and intelligent people making a lot of money. Rather, it is a sense that the game is rigged, and that the elite making off like bandits in the new world order are not just bandits but highly sophisticated and immoral criminals.

    The elite may well stay in power given their control of the government and the media, but it is not because the vast majority of Americans admire them and consider them worthy of elite status.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @lavoisier

    I believe kleptocracy is the noun you're looking for. As in 1990's Russia, the nation we used to joke about. Chickens, chickens, why so many, and why are they roosting here...

    , @MBlanc46
    @lavoisier

    Well said, antoine!

  151. @Harry Baldwin
    I've got a bumper sticker idea:

    TRUMP 2024: NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!

    Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @colm

    I’m fond of:

    BUCK FIDEN

  152. @Dutch Boy
    There's always General Flynn's plan as a backup. I notice the SC rejected the case on procedural grounds (lack of standing) rather than the legal merits. Obviously there were illegal maneuvers to facilitate vote fraud. Who might have had standing to challenge them post vote?

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @I, Libertine, @Eagle Eye

    Voters in those four states.

  153. @Noticer of things
    @Johnny Bone

    Steve doesn't even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He's stated that.

    It's shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the "anomalies" and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying, e.g., https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/ (previous two posts on that site also lay out specific "anomalies" that, taken together, are essentially statistically impossible).

    Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind. I think there are some people who just can't bear to believe that the US has already become a banana republic--that includes a lot of his "respectable" readers/commenters here no doubt.

    I'll just say this. I have on occasion donated to Steve in the past, and I appreciate his courageous research on many subjects, but I'd like to focus my future contributions on those who are on the same page on really important issues. Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big. Hopefully he and others can continue to keep an open mind and review the data. I believe more and more people, when they really get a chance to look at the data, will come to understand that there was massive fraud at play.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Keypusher, @Dube, @Anonymous, @TTSSYF, @Corvinus, @TWS, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @ben tillman

    I was surprised to hear Mr. Sailer nonchalantly assert that he didn’t think there was any election fraud sufficient to have allowed Biden to edge Trump out for the win. Personally, I find his whimming when it comes to posting comments and replies to be unnecessarily drawn-out and annoying. I often find the comments and the back-and-forth more entertaining than the blog, especially when some of you guys really slug it out.

    I donate to Judicial Watch and to animal protection organizations. I think I’ll start regular donations to AmRen.

  154. @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    And his supporters end up, dumbfounded, with three crisp one dollar bills for their trouble.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    I liked the USFL. The only pro football championship Detroit has had in my lifetime. Not counting Arena ball.

  155. 1. The SC’s choice to weasel on “standing” grounds is just what it seems: a cowardly cuck.

    The SC long history of blinking in the face of political pressure; the justices are weak creatures. Roberts cucked on Obamacare, and back when FDR was threatening court packing–which made him very unpopular politically—the SC suddenly cowed and reversed itself on all the things that were pissing FDR off (invalidating New Deal programs). So this isn’t new or unexpected.

    The SC’s cowardice is also in vague hope that there is no SC packing in exchange, so the 9 can keep their vaunted positions unwatered down.

    2. Get ready for targeted domestic terrorism from the right. The right just had the election stolen from them without redress by people talking about camps and recriminations. Separatists will now be emboldened, and moderates are being radicalized. And after a summer of the left’s open violent terrorism, the terms have been set.

    The Deep State thinks it will be able to clamp down on that, but they have kneecapped themselves by their own cronyism and tokenism diversity. The FBI they will count on are now failed-upward types (think Comey), affirmative action minority/female clods, or worse—mentally unstable homosexuals and trannies. These aren’t the G men of the 50s who could’ve been competent.

    The white men whom they will seek to destroy will run rings around them, but the white guy’s weakness will be thinking they can rouse the American people to join them, and will make them do stupid things like exposing themselves too early.

    3. Related to #2, I would really, really be worried if I worked at a corporate media company moving forward. The Deep State couldn’t have stolen it without the gaslighting by their collaborators in the corporate media, and everyone knows it.

    4. Steve;s faith in the “impracticality” of secession is adorable.

  156. @anon
    Done with this idiot boomer blog. Lots of wasted time on here.

    The one message from 2020 is that political violence works.

    Have fun discussing baseball stats while others are fighting and dying for our culture.

    Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @James Braxton, @TWS, @Anonymous, @ben tillman

    Steve is 4-P like Alvy Singer, in the event of civil war he is a hostage.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @James Braxton

    So many great lines from that movie.

    I hadn't thought of that one in a while.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

  157. @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous

    The courts aren't on your side. I wouldn't spend a dollar suing over this.

    None of the other powerful institutions in America are on your side either.

    Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions. Keep your opinions secret and apply for government jobs. The best time to start was years ago. The second best time is now.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Pericles, @stealth, @Authenticjazzman, @Corvinus, @Anonymous

    ” Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions”

    There is no time for such slow-moving action, as the country will be lost to the leftist lunatics within weeks or days.

    Either something drastic occurs now to retain DT , or the Republicans can simply disband and turn the whole thing over to the deranged leftists.

    This is an emergency situation beyond the average person’s comprehension.

    Myself I posted several days ago that the only ones who can be trusted are Alito and Thomas. I instinctively knew that that the judges he pushed through would betray him.

    AJM

  158. @RSDB
    @Lot


    The Russian ... revolutionaries were ... better in their human capital than the hereditary government they deposed.
     
    And your evidence for this is ... ?

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Verymuchalive, @utu, @J.Ross, @Bill

    The Bolsheviks were an absolute disaster for Russia, as Anatoly Karlin repeatedly points out, and he’s right. The 20th Century should have been the Russian Century. By now, the Russian Empire – at 2020 borders – would have over 250 million people, nearly all white. If Belarus and the Ukraine remained within the Empire, you would be looking at about 350 million people. Russia would be the greatest Power on earth and have a much higher standard of living.

    The Bolsheviks were a disaster right from the start. In 1917, Russia just had to wait: it would be on the winning side in WWI. By signing Brest-Litovsk, they ceded large amounts of territory and effectively were one of the losers. Industrialisation under Communism was slower than under the Tsar. Tens of millions died from famine, forced collectivisation, the Gulags and mass murder. As a result, the population of Russia is 147 million and falling.

  159. @gsjackson
    What happens next? The law suits against five or six states alleging fraud will continue winding their way toward SCOTUS, including, I presume, the one against Pennsylvania for which emergency injunctive relief was denied but not cert. Unless Trump's lawyers -- who include the most famous prosecutor in American history who is given props even by the mob for his work against them -- have completely lost their minds, the evidence of fraud will be clearly demonstrated.

    The Texas suit was thrown out on a technicality of standing -- states are not covered by the Equal Protection Clause. Bush v Gore, which found counties to be covered under the clause, was rejected as a precedent. There's little dispute about the substantive argument in the Texas suit. The Constitution specifically sets out how electors are to be chosen by the states, and these four states went beyond the specified procedure.

    What happens if courts, including SCOTUS, continue to refuse to even look at evidence of fraud? Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act, and be supported by a coalition of military intelligence and special ops units. Biden will never be president.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dave Pinsen, @Hibernian, @Chrisnonymous, @anon, @Peter D. Bredon

    As Andrew McCarthy pointed out, if executive and judicial parties subvert legislative election rules, the legislatures in question can address those issues. If they don’t, the implication is clear–they implicitly approve the actions. It’s also true what he says about the precedent. We don’t want to live in a country where states are constantly fighting to invalidate each others’ results. Imagine if these were Soros-backed Attorneys General claiming that some purple state’s results were invalid because of XYZ racist disenfranchisement reason.

    But the refusal of all institutions to give the fraud charges a hearing in some public venue is a serious problem just due to the widespread belief in the fraud and regardless of the merits of the charges. It’s clear that there is an attempt to “enforce” legitimacy by simply silencing people and returning to business as usual, but that is the wrong strategy to actually built trust and buy-in from the public. Plus, it looks like they are going to have to keep engaging in more and more serious censorship in order to silence people.

    • Agree: Desiderius, gsjackson, ic1000
    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Chrisnonymous

    As much as I loathe the federal courts, I’d like to see a deluge of multi-state vs. multi-state cases at SC, related to issues of federalism.

    For instance, a bloc of States Rights states (CSA-ish) suing the the State of California et al for being institutionally enmeshed with the USG.

    CSC Article III §9:

    The State of California is an inseparable part of the United States of America, and the United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

    Invidious.

    , @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Chrisnonymous


    As Andrew McCarthy pointed out, if executive and judicial parties subvert legislative election rules, the legislatures in question can address those issues. If they don’t, the implication is clear–they implicitly approve the actions.
     
    Right, and it's due to a combination of factors in this instance -- they were arguably concerned about the Wuhan AND a lot of them are Never Trumpers.

    My state Pennsylvania is now lost to Republican presidential candidates for the foreseeable future. The stupid legislation that they did pass about voting rules will be on the books forever, because if they try to go back to the way it was, there is no veto proof majority, and there is no Republican William Scranton on the horizon to be a future governor.

    And since our Secy of State cum Social Justice Warrior Kathy Boockvar got away with doing stuff even beyond that legislation, and the legislature acquiesced -- well, it's katy bar the proverbial door.

    The Republicans in PA have made a bargain with the Devil, and the Devil is going to get his due.

    PA will be a banana state inside a banana nation.

  160. @PhysicistDave
    @Just another serf

    Just another serf wrote:


    The corrupt, decrepit Biden and his Indian sex worker sidekick are going to have a rough time ahead of them.
     
    The breaking news today was that little Hunter is being investigated for money laundering: I always figured that the $3.5 million was not a gift to Hunter but just an oligarch who needed to launder her money.

    The next four years are going to be miserable for the country but fun for those who view politics as entertainment. My forecast for the next four years:

    The GOP takes one of the two seats in Georgia and narrowly holds the Senate.

    In early 2022, the stock market crashes.

    In mid-2022, Sleepy Joe pardons Hunter.

    In the midterms, the GOP blows the Dems away.

    At the end of 2022, Sleepy Joe admits that 80 years old is just too old to be President and resigns.

    Therefore, Horizontal Harris becomes the first retired sex worker to serve as Prez.

    The Dems realize that Kamala cannot actually get herself elected and a bitter civil war breaks out over the 2024 Dem nomination.

    Kamala gets the nomination and chooses AOC as VP to "heal the party."

    The Donald wins the GOP nomination and chooses Kristi Noem as VP.

    Trump-Noem get 360 electoral votes.

    And happy days are here again!
    -----------------
    My prediction on 11/1/2020 was closer to the mark than I usualy do:

    Trump takes everything he took in 2016 EXCEPT WI and MI for a 280/260 win, but the Dems end up obviously stealing PA, and Trump loses in the courts. So Biden is inaugurated on 1/20/2021.
     
    Of course, I did miss that the Dems would also manage to steal AZ and, of all places, GA! Having grown up "across the river" from Illinois, I should have remembered to never under-estimate the ability of the Dems to steal an election.

    The new Trump slogan: #RememberTheSteal.

    Replies: @gent, @AnotherDad, @Gapeseed

    Depressing prediction if we’re trotting out the mediocre, elderly Trump yet again.

    If nationalists can’t find a competent charismatic nationalist somewhere … we’re doomed. The charismatic (if you can even call Trump that) without the competent is a one legged stool. Let’s at least try two legs.

    • Agree: Anonymous Jew
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @AnotherDad

    If Steve's right and this is just an unusual flavor of normalcy DeSantis would be the chosen one for that job.

    , @PhysicistDave
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad swrote to me:


    Depressing prediction if we’re trotting out the mediocre, elderly Trump yet again.

    If nationalists can’t find a competent charismatic nationalist somewhere … we’re doomed.
     
    Well, I voted against Trump in the 2016 primary, and I think he was a mediocre President. I'm more of a Ron-Paul guy than a Trumpian.

    But Trump did accomplish one thing: he rallied the ordinary Americans who thought they had no choice but to tolerate the hatred, corruption, and contempt of the ruling elite, the parasitic verbalist overclass.

    Who else can rally the productive class in American society? I'm happy to vote for Kristi Noem or Josh Hawley or Ron DeSantis if they can get the nomination and show they can rally the people.

    So who is it who can rally the productive class among the American people besides Trump?
    , @dfordoom
    @AnotherDad


    Depressing prediction if we’re trotting out the mediocre, elderly Trump yet again.

    If nationalists can’t find a competent charismatic nationalist somewhere … we’re doomed.
     
    There's a good chance that Trump will run in 2024. But it won't be Donald Trump. It will be Ivanka Trump.

    And the MAGA hat brigade will vote for her. God help us all.
  161. @gsjackson
    What happens next? The law suits against five or six states alleging fraud will continue winding their way toward SCOTUS, including, I presume, the one against Pennsylvania for which emergency injunctive relief was denied but not cert. Unless Trump's lawyers -- who include the most famous prosecutor in American history who is given props even by the mob for his work against them -- have completely lost their minds, the evidence of fraud will be clearly demonstrated.

    The Texas suit was thrown out on a technicality of standing -- states are not covered by the Equal Protection Clause. Bush v Gore, which found counties to be covered under the clause, was rejected as a precedent. There's little dispute about the substantive argument in the Texas suit. The Constitution specifically sets out how electors are to be chosen by the states, and these four states went beyond the specified procedure.

    What happens if courts, including SCOTUS, continue to refuse to even look at evidence of fraud? Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act, and be supported by a coalition of military intelligence and special ops units. Biden will never be president.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dave Pinsen, @Hibernian, @Chrisnonymous, @anon, @Peter D. Bredon

    Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act, and be supported by a coalition of military intelligence and special ops units.

    Man. Imagine if the military or the intelligence services were on Trump’s side. Wouldn’t that be something!

  162. @LRFD
    Nothing happens today other anger and loathing. Give it a few years. Puppet regimes are unstable when there are multiple factions vying for control. (Kamala is just as much of a puppet as Joe. She has no independent power base.) There will be a crisis, and TPTB will be unable to solve it using their typical tricks (that wouldn’t you know it, benefit themselves). Since they aren’t terribly bright, they will double-down causing further ruin. This crisis will spiral out of control, because for TPTB to change their approach means that they will cede power and influence. They will not feel confident enough to do that. At some point, they will be unable to pay their enforcers, and that’s when things get interesting. (Debasing currency never ends well, even when you have the reserve currency. See Rome during the Crisis of the Third Century. It was effectively the world.) Trump tries to make a return, but by that point history has passed him by. The anger and loathing finds a different, more effective vehicle.

    One more thing: Steve described America as a meritocracy in his piece on succession: Is that really how you would describe it? Do the people in charge really strike you as the best and brightest? Or do they strike you as people who grasped the greasy pole and just kept climbing? Do they strike you instead as someone who was selected because they checked the right boxes and were protected from on high? Isn’t a large part of this blog: a contemporary record of the corruptness and ineptitude of the ruling class? Quite seriously, would an honest, sane man with reasonable views who spoke his mind last more than a few days in the Swamp? (Trump is unreasonable and not quite sane. God bless him.) What we have today is, in the words of Moldbug, “an egalitarian, bureaucratic scientocracy.” It is not based on merit, though that is a useful fiction. It is also insane.

    The question is how do we return to sane government without bloodshed?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Achmed E. Newman, @Bardon Kaldian

    One more thing: Steve described America as a meritocracy in his piece on succession: Is that really how you would describe it? Do the people in charge really strike you as the best and brightest? Or do they strike you as people who grasped the greasy pole and just kept climbing? Do they strike you instead as someone who was selected because they checked the right boxes and were protected from on high?

    US is a meritocracy, still, in matters that matter- science, technology, top finances, entrepreneurs, even entertainment industry etc.

    But its ceased to be a meritocracy in politics and political classes somewhere during the 60’s or 70’s. Say what you want, George C. Marshall or JFK, as different as they had been, were capable people & not clowns.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Bardon Kaldian

    No. It isn't.

    My new General Theory of Why Everything Sucks:

    https://twitter.com/primalpoly/status/1337060689542832128?s=20

    Allergic reaction

  163. @Clyde
    Compromised John Roberts is the poison on the Supreme Court. The libs on the Court are going to do lib. But the three new conservative Trump appointees... John Roberts laid down the law to them. And these three are fool enough to be in awe of Chief Justice John Roberts. This Supreme Court will rule on minor stuff but no balls or courage to rule fairly on 2020 election fraud. "Why ruin my familiy's Christmas holiday season for Trump, who everyone in DC hates anyway" "I will never get another invite to a prestigious lib cocktails party" Trump? F 'im. I am not going let him ruin my life and my children's lives. They will never be able to get into Brown or Harvard"

    With Roberts the SC is 5-4. It is not 6-3.
    And all those here who complain about Trump. You are going to miss him when he's gone.
    What blackmail does Roberts have hanging over him? The dubious way he and wife adopted two Irish babies. The internet has more on this.

    Replies: @Keypusher, @Achmed E. Newman, @Twodees Partain, @Supply and Demand

    What blackmail does Roberts have hanging over him?

    What would make anyone think that Roberts needs to be blackmailed to make him do this kind of thing? This is how he has behaved since his first day as Chief Justice. If they can get you to ask the wrong questions…..

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Twodees Partain


    What blackmail does Roberts have hanging over him?

    What would make anyone think that Roberts needs to be blackmailed to make him do this kind of thing? This is how he has behaved since his first day as Chief Justice.
     
    That fact doesn't undermine the blackmail hypothesis.
  164. @Neil Templeton
    @Anon7

    Who gives a rat's ass. can't you see that the candle is gone?

    Replies: @Anon7

    Now that the Swamp has drained Trump, will America’s real owners tolerate the extremes of Leftism? That’s the big question that underlies my list of questions.

    The January 5th runoff election in Georgia will answer my big question. Since we now know that state elections are not under federal scrutiny (per SCOTUS), the election will be rigged. But rigged how?

    If Republicans retain control of the Senate, some of the worst impulses of the Left might be restrained. And if that’s preferable to America’s real owners, that is what will happen.

  165. @dfordoom
    @utu


    The myth of democracy should not be undermined.
     
    The problem is that if you admit democracy is unworkable then it will have to be abandoned. That's inevitable if people actually accept that it doesn't work and can't work.

    So you'd better have an alternative system ready to go.

    A possible alternative would be monarchy but that would be un-American. So the other alternatives would be a one-party state or a military dictatorship. You pays your money and you takes your choice.

    Replies: @utu

    No, I did not mean that democracy is unworkable. It can be better or worse. What I meant by the myth of democracy was the myth of pristine democracy. It is not pristine and probably never was. Americans are very pragmatic and they are willing to accept and overlook blemishes. What counts the most is stability and continuity. In that sense America has the oldest working political system.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh, S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @utu


    No, I did not mean that democracy is unworkable. It can be better or worse. What I meant by the myth of democracy was the myth of pristine democracy.
     
    But what if it is unworkable? What if democracy is a system with such huge inherent flaws that it will always become corrupted? Look around the West. Do you see anything that would lead you to believe that democracy actually works? Are you inspired by Macron, or Merkel, or Boris Johnson? Because if you have democracy you end up with people like Macron, Merkel, Boris Johnson, Joe Biden.

    The West started to go down the toilet when it started to become democratic.

    Democracy is like prostitution. You can have a stable regulated system of prostitution but it's still prostitution. A whore is still a whore. Politicians in a democracy will always be whores. And democracy turns the people into whores as well.

    You can tinker with the system as much as you like but all you'll end up with is a shinier model of political prostitution and pretty soon the shine will wear off and it will be just as sleazy as it ever was.

    Democracy appeared to work because it was introduced at a time when rapid scientific and technological progress was transforming life in the West, and (on the whole) transforming it for the better. But things were not improving because of democracy, but rather in spite of democracy. Democracy got a lot of the credit for the improvements but that credit was not deserved.

    Replies: @utu, @Thoughts

  166. Someone said it takes 10% of a population actively resisting to make a nation ungovernable.

    Is there an equivalent percentage for passive, legal resistance?

  167. @Supply and Demand
    Eagerly awaiting the COPE.

    Replies: @Keypusher, @Morton's toes

    It was sadder than ever. What a pathetic thread.

    Hey, Trumpists, your guy LOST THE ELECTION. And then ran the sorriest legal campaign I’ve ever seen. Of course, it’s hard to write good briefs when you have no case.

    That 0-9 Supreme Court vote (Alito and Thomas would have ruled against Texas on the merits, so don’t kid yourselves that you got two votes) was just Trump running into reality. Something you all are going to have to get back in touch with. Don’t blame Roberts’ adopted children. That’s just more cope.

    This was an unexpectedly good election for Republicans. Even Trump outperformed his polls. It is something to build on, not something to cry over. The first step is holding those two Senate seats in Georgia. Not throwing them away in a temper tantrum. If you have money to give, give it to Perdue and Loeffler. Not some blogger who feeds your delusions.

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Keypusher

    Stoolpusher speaks.

    Replies: @keypusher

  168. @Hibernian
    @gsjackson


    ...who include the most famous prosecutor in American history who is given props even by the mob for his work against them...
     
    Yes, when he was a much younger (by about 30-35 years) man.

    Replies: @gsjackson

    I’d imagine he can still evaluate evidence. There’s no reason to think he would be impeded there, no Bidenesque moments of obvious mental incompetence. He would probably do well with a division of labor in court — if any court ever actually agrees to look at the merits of the cases.

  169. @Whiskey
    No Steve, try not to be stuck in the 1980s. Any sane, sober appreciation of the system points toward violent civil war and nothing else. Nothing else is literally possible.

    Biden's team stole the election. The stealing would not matter as much if it were Kennedy-Nixon, other than personalities and which gang of thieves steals more, and patronage, but here the stakes are much, much higher. Kennedy's people did not talk of putting Nixon's people in forced labor camps after public humiliation. They did not talk of seizing everything from White people to give to blacks. They did not talk of open borders and instant citizenship for any illegal with a third of the workforce now permanently unemployed and likely half after the next spate of lockdowns, nor packing the court, nor sending the last few jobs to China or Indian H1 B workers while instituting lockdowns that never ever end. With massive unemployment and nothing in the pipeline for good paying jobs. Oh and abolishing the police and opening prisons, but just for blacks. Who are now legally entitled to prey upon Whites for any reason at all.

    Worse, as illegitimate as he is, Biden was a public and known quantity who was Obama's VP. Kamasutra is an incompetent whore who could not even manage simple competence as AG. She won not a single primary, and is seen rightly as:

    A. A Whore pure and simple.
    B. Incompetent with the charm of a rattlesnake and the disposition of a black widow spider.
    C. Militantly anti-White in her aims and disposition.
    D. Illegitimate in that no one voted for her and she's the heir to the thief who stole the election.

    Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra's camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for "war crimes" related to blowing up various Iranian generals etc. And that a great mass of soldiers will be extradited to the International Criminal Court. That's competent meritocracy for you. Add in that there are series of new lockdowns in sight: the Kazakhstan plague whatever it is, more Beer Flu lockdowns, etc. and people are angry. Most Dem Governors just canceled Christmas. Meanwhile Kamasutra is proposing race-based health care rationing and lots of goodies for blacks, abolishing the police, and nothing for Whites. Or Latinos. Obviously Team Walking Dead is being elbowed aside for Team Whore of Babylon. Weekend at Biden's is over, its now rule by grating Diversity HR manager.

    Restrictions on evictions and mortgage payment holidays will end this month. For Christmas Queen Harris has ordinary people moved from their house to a tent under a bridge. What do they have to lose now?

    And states like Texas, and Florida, and all the others that joined in can simply ignore Queen Harris and her decrees, take Trump as the legitimate President, and refuse to accept any order or edict they don't like from Queen Harris. The pressure on them to do this will be irresistable by their voters and supporters, as will use of Federal Troops to remove Governors, Sheriffs, and other people and rule directly from DC. Remember oil, gas, retail that is not Amazon or Wal-Mart, agriculture, mining, and defense spending are all going to be made extinct by Queen Harris and her group. There are lot of people in boring non-Hollywood places making money that will be made poor forever by Queen Harris and the Silicon Valley oligarchs. She's promised the Green New Deal, abolishing the internal combustion engine, flying for ordinary people, vacations, pets, eating meat, and lockdowns that never end. Meanwhile Kamasutra is likely to render a whole bunch of military people to Iran or the ICC to reopen the Iran Money Laundering machine for her backers, and rely on said military to repress states and officials and run things directly. She will likely have to use Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, the NFAC people, Anti-Fa, and the like to run things and those clowns are guaranteed to spark off the hot phase of a civil war via guaranteed atrocities. Since much of the military is likely to do a sitzkreig response to her orders after extraditing various Generals and Admirals (who are all connected) as well as Special Forces groups. Harris is too stupid to understand that. She's a less competent black-adjacent Hillary without the charm.

    The Silicon Valley Oligarchs want the "Great Reset" and to use the media and Harris who is their tool to force the average American into drinking recycled sewage and eating bugs. Since your average person would happily commit genocide of every African on the planet to avoid a lifetime of eating bugs Civil War is inevitable. Particularly since Harris has zero legitimacy. None.

    Already in California of all places, the Orange County and LA County and Riverside County Sheriffs have said they will not enforce Gov. Newsom's orders. Not the curfew, not the ban on outdoor dining, or indoor dining, or limits on congregating, or church worship. None of it.

    Ask yourself: is Kamala Harris a person who is viewed as legitimate? As even half-way liked? As someone who can even remotely make people's lives better than they are now? And what of her backers? Are Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg people who inspire confidence? What about Susan Wojicki or Sundar Pinchai or that greasy Indian guy at Microsoft?

    Trump? He will die in prison like Jeffrey Epstein. Who did not kill himself. Along with his family. The Bidens will be pardoned by Harris. But while Harris can take office with insider moves, she can't move people from being in their own homes, celebrating Christmas, with their own cars and trucks to being homeless under a bridge eating bugs and not have a violent response.

    Meritocracy? That's boomer short bus talk. The US has not been a meritocracy since the first Bush Admin. Or arguably since the Civil Rights movement. The Lockheed Skunkworks did not employ empowered black women who screamed at White men all day and talked about their hair to create the SR-71. Almost all talented White, Asian males, and Latinos are locked out anything under crushing globalization and black black black black black blackety black black black.

    Replies: @Eric Novak, @Johnny Smoggins, @Old Prude, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Peter D. Bredon, @dfordoom, @Mike Tre

    Love how you try to insinuate that Iran is an enemy, yet there’s no mention of Israel.

  170. @Anon
    @Chrisnonymous

    Every state with a corrupt election process needs the living crap sued out of them. Go after them like a pitbull. We have to put everyone involved in prison.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Harry Baldwin

    We’ve heard from Republican vote-counting watchers who were bullied out of being able to do their jobs. Next time we better tell the suburban soccer moms to stay home and send large working-class guys who won’t let themselves be pushed around.

  171. @Rigoberto Nunez
    There needs to be a truth and reconciliation commission so that we can come to terms with the white supremacy and misogyny that has dominated the USA the last 4 years (and frankly since the inception).

    This will necessitate a commitment to anti racism and equity.

    This will require sweeping changes to the way we govern, the way we teach our children, the way society is structured and what it means to be American.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Robert Dolan, @Hibernian, @Eric Novak, @Gary in Gramercy, @MB

    “Truth and reconciliation commission”

    Quack once if you want the standard burning tire filled with unleaded gasoline; quack twice if you want the deluxe whitewall tire, filled with premium petrol.

  172. The Supreme Court is a fundamentally lazy branch of government. They are also the most elitist. I have listen for years about the need for judges, and thought it was absurd to think any justice would overturn a previous SC decision. Can you imagine the case load these clerk served snoots would eventually have to take on? Dream on.

    Succession like civil war won’t work. Crafty revenge is doable. The left is ideologically diverse. Take the common enemy of MAGA or GOP out of the equation, they’ll start eating at themselves. Yes it is risky, but it isn’t worse then shooting at a neighbor who might be closet MAGA. As for court packing, can you imagine the gridlock of all those lazy ass judges wanting their 2 minute fame? Didn’t they do away with the electoral college with the cheat? The master plan is to move blacks and illegals into fly over country day one of the Biden administration. Do any of you have a plan for that ? All those fleeing urban liberals might turn out to be a blessing. Don’t vote for the GOP federally, and egg on Antifa and BLM in suburbs and cities. Biden and Harris will start shooting sooner rather than later. Make it their ilk, not ours.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Old and Grumpy

    The left wasn't quarrelling with itself much during 8 years of Obama. They spent the whole time cooperating with each other to enrich themselves. The left has a goal--get rich. The left consists of the rich--who want to get richer, and the poor who want to get rich. They intend to take the money away from the earnings of the white working and middle classes.

  173. @AnotherDad
    @PhysicistDave

    Depressing prediction if we're trotting out the mediocre, elderly Trump yet again.

    If nationalists can't find a competent charismatic nationalist somewhere ... we're doomed. The charismatic (if you can even call Trump that) without the competent is a one legged stool. Let's at least try two legs.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @PhysicistDave, @dfordoom

    If Steve’s right and this is just an unusual flavor of normalcy DeSantis would be the chosen one for that job.

  174. @SimpleSong
    @Lot

    I agree that's why the U.S. has been stable in the past--they essentially co-opted potential revolutionaries into the system. The talented did better working inside the system than against it.

    I'm not sure if that will hold going forward. Affirmative action moves us away from that in two ways. Most obviously, it destroys opportunities for talented whites and Asians to join powerful institutions as those slots get filled by AA hires. More insidiously, even the people who make it into the power structures end up spending a lot of their time on babysitting the incompetent AAs, planning more diversity training, etc., A lot of people just don't want that to be what their life is, and they leave.

    We think of affirmative action as an old program but in reality we haven't felt the full effect yet: the people in leadership positions now are from the relatively early days of AA, when it had a smaller effect as the country was more white. And AA would help you get into a college that was over your head, but afterward not much--however now it seems to apply over pretty much a person's entire career. So the incompetence is just going to get worse.

    I think we're approaching a tipping point where there is a lot of very good human capital outside the traditional centers of power, which tends to make the system unstable.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    This. There are a lot of reasonably talented 25-year-old White guys who are waking up to the fact that they’re staring down the barrel of 40 years of groveling at diversity training seminars, being trashed on by the media, being passed over for promotions while doing the work for incompetent POC co-workers, and watching other ethnic groups band together.

    What exactly are they giving up by not joining the system.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Well, a decent salary for one...

    It isn't that hard to hide your political beliefs. Just don't live in one of the major metros and don't seek employment in the federal government or education.

  175. @Whiskey
    No Steve, try not to be stuck in the 1980s. Any sane, sober appreciation of the system points toward violent civil war and nothing else. Nothing else is literally possible.

    Biden's team stole the election. The stealing would not matter as much if it were Kennedy-Nixon, other than personalities and which gang of thieves steals more, and patronage, but here the stakes are much, much higher. Kennedy's people did not talk of putting Nixon's people in forced labor camps after public humiliation. They did not talk of seizing everything from White people to give to blacks. They did not talk of open borders and instant citizenship for any illegal with a third of the workforce now permanently unemployed and likely half after the next spate of lockdowns, nor packing the court, nor sending the last few jobs to China or Indian H1 B workers while instituting lockdowns that never ever end. With massive unemployment and nothing in the pipeline for good paying jobs. Oh and abolishing the police and opening prisons, but just for blacks. Who are now legally entitled to prey upon Whites for any reason at all.

    Worse, as illegitimate as he is, Biden was a public and known quantity who was Obama's VP. Kamasutra is an incompetent whore who could not even manage simple competence as AG. She won not a single primary, and is seen rightly as:

    A. A Whore pure and simple.
    B. Incompetent with the charm of a rattlesnake and the disposition of a black widow spider.
    C. Militantly anti-White in her aims and disposition.
    D. Illegitimate in that no one voted for her and she's the heir to the thief who stole the election.

    Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra's camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for "war crimes" related to blowing up various Iranian generals etc. And that a great mass of soldiers will be extradited to the International Criminal Court. That's competent meritocracy for you. Add in that there are series of new lockdowns in sight: the Kazakhstan plague whatever it is, more Beer Flu lockdowns, etc. and people are angry. Most Dem Governors just canceled Christmas. Meanwhile Kamasutra is proposing race-based health care rationing and lots of goodies for blacks, abolishing the police, and nothing for Whites. Or Latinos. Obviously Team Walking Dead is being elbowed aside for Team Whore of Babylon. Weekend at Biden's is over, its now rule by grating Diversity HR manager.

    Restrictions on evictions and mortgage payment holidays will end this month. For Christmas Queen Harris has ordinary people moved from their house to a tent under a bridge. What do they have to lose now?

    And states like Texas, and Florida, and all the others that joined in can simply ignore Queen Harris and her decrees, take Trump as the legitimate President, and refuse to accept any order or edict they don't like from Queen Harris. The pressure on them to do this will be irresistable by their voters and supporters, as will use of Federal Troops to remove Governors, Sheriffs, and other people and rule directly from DC. Remember oil, gas, retail that is not Amazon or Wal-Mart, agriculture, mining, and defense spending are all going to be made extinct by Queen Harris and her group. There are lot of people in boring non-Hollywood places making money that will be made poor forever by Queen Harris and the Silicon Valley oligarchs. She's promised the Green New Deal, abolishing the internal combustion engine, flying for ordinary people, vacations, pets, eating meat, and lockdowns that never end. Meanwhile Kamasutra is likely to render a whole bunch of military people to Iran or the ICC to reopen the Iran Money Laundering machine for her backers, and rely on said military to repress states and officials and run things directly. She will likely have to use Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, the NFAC people, Anti-Fa, and the like to run things and those clowns are guaranteed to spark off the hot phase of a civil war via guaranteed atrocities. Since much of the military is likely to do a sitzkreig response to her orders after extraditing various Generals and Admirals (who are all connected) as well as Special Forces groups. Harris is too stupid to understand that. She's a less competent black-adjacent Hillary without the charm.

    The Silicon Valley Oligarchs want the "Great Reset" and to use the media and Harris who is their tool to force the average American into drinking recycled sewage and eating bugs. Since your average person would happily commit genocide of every African on the planet to avoid a lifetime of eating bugs Civil War is inevitable. Particularly since Harris has zero legitimacy. None.

    Already in California of all places, the Orange County and LA County and Riverside County Sheriffs have said they will not enforce Gov. Newsom's orders. Not the curfew, not the ban on outdoor dining, or indoor dining, or limits on congregating, or church worship. None of it.

    Ask yourself: is Kamala Harris a person who is viewed as legitimate? As even half-way liked? As someone who can even remotely make people's lives better than they are now? And what of her backers? Are Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg people who inspire confidence? What about Susan Wojicki or Sundar Pinchai or that greasy Indian guy at Microsoft?

    Trump? He will die in prison like Jeffrey Epstein. Who did not kill himself. Along with his family. The Bidens will be pardoned by Harris. But while Harris can take office with insider moves, she can't move people from being in their own homes, celebrating Christmas, with their own cars and trucks to being homeless under a bridge eating bugs and not have a violent response.

    Meritocracy? That's boomer short bus talk. The US has not been a meritocracy since the first Bush Admin. Or arguably since the Civil Rights movement. The Lockheed Skunkworks did not employ empowered black women who screamed at White men all day and talked about their hair to create the SR-71. Almost all talented White, Asian males, and Latinos are locked out anything under crushing globalization and black black black black black blackety black black black.

    Replies: @Eric Novak, @Johnny Smoggins, @Old Prude, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Peter D. Bredon, @dfordoom, @Mike Tre

    Whiskey, my man: Tell us how you really feel…

  176. @anon
    @anon

    Have fun discussing baseball stats while others are fighting and dying for our culture.

    Looks like you'll get your chance tomorrow.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Annakhait/status/1337600067352612864

    Supposedly, antifa have been crowdfunding to buy weapons to bring to the Stop The Steal rally tomorrow.

    Could be an interesting day.

    Of course, if we've learned anything over the past four years, it's that antifa gets to attack white people all they want, and you'll go to prison for fighting back, so I don't know if "interesting" is good, necessarily. But still.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Supposedly, antifa have been crowdfunding to buy weapons to bring to the Stop The Steal rally tomorrow.

    Uh, have you been to a gun store lately? It’s a bit late to be buying weapons.

    “Well, sir, we still have this old Iver Johnson .32 caliber revolver at a reasonable price. It’s a classic–President McKinley was assassinated with one, so it sounds like just what you want. Unfortunately, we haven’t had any ammunition for the past six months.”

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Harry Baldwin

    Civil strife might be just around the corner; remember when Colt said FU to mere civilians purchasing ARs a year back?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt3DCqdnn8w

    Guess what? They are back in the market again.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf43zByGu9U

    Don't forget ammo, spare parts and proven magazines.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUnvNj8-j0k

    , @J1234
    @Harry Baldwin

    LOL. Pretty true. And all you need for that .32 to be lethal is an incompetent surgeon to stick his dirty finger in the wound.

    Anyway, "crowdfunding to buy weapons"? I thought Soros paid for everything.

  177. @Stan Adams
    @Eric Novak

    Right up until Election Day, Whiskey the Fearless Prognosticator maintained that Biden would win in a landslide.

    Earth to Whiskey: Biden did not win in a landslide; he lost so badly that the leftist brigades had to manufacture truckloads of votes to get him past the finish line.

    The man has some weird gloom-and-doom mental-masturbation thing going on. I mean, I'm a cynical pessimist myself, but this is just ridiculous:


    Monday, November 2, 2020 (the day before the election)

    Biden will win in a landslide. At least, that’s what the networks will announce. You can trust Lubin Toobin, Lyin Brian Williams, and Cindy McCain of course. They will announce a stunning Biden win regardless of returns, and riots will commence until Trump concedes. If Trump does not concede, the FBI and Military will simply remove him. Likely to a Federal Penitentiary. Along with pretty much all his Administration. And most of his voters — Robert Reich’s words were no idle threat. No doubt the FBI has had for years plans for most of the Deplorables involving places like Manzanar and such.

    Tuesday, October 20, 2020

    Biden “landslide.” Its a Color Revolution. And just like those revolutions, the military will almost certainly remove Trump from the White House on Day 5 as riots and looting rage across the entire country and anti-fa and blm go wild.

    Saturday, October 17, 2020

    No it’s a Biden Landslide. White suburban women according to the FT favor Biden by 21 point. White men favor Trump by 20. Mostly over corona chan and especially BLM.

    Thursday, October 15, 2020

    No one will care. Biden is winning in a landslide, up in SC of all places. According to the FT.

    And it’s a referendum on BLM, lockdowns and no cops. So far a landslide. I see a ton of Biden signs in my neighborhood, enthusiasm through the roof. Almost no Hillary signs last time.

    Wednesday, October 14, 2020

    Biden wins in a landslide. He’s up 18 points. He literally cannot lose.

    Wednesday, October 7, 2020

    Biden at this rate is likely to sweep all fifty states. It’s Open Season on Whitey with no tag limit.
     

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Whiskey qualified for my “Commenters to Ignore” setting a long time ago.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
    • Disagree: Jack Armstrong
  178. @PhysicistDave
    @Just another serf

    Just another serf wrote:


    The corrupt, decrepit Biden and his Indian sex worker sidekick are going to have a rough time ahead of them.
     
    The breaking news today was that little Hunter is being investigated for money laundering: I always figured that the $3.5 million was not a gift to Hunter but just an oligarch who needed to launder her money.

    The next four years are going to be miserable for the country but fun for those who view politics as entertainment. My forecast for the next four years:

    The GOP takes one of the two seats in Georgia and narrowly holds the Senate.

    In early 2022, the stock market crashes.

    In mid-2022, Sleepy Joe pardons Hunter.

    In the midterms, the GOP blows the Dems away.

    At the end of 2022, Sleepy Joe admits that 80 years old is just too old to be President and resigns.

    Therefore, Horizontal Harris becomes the first retired sex worker to serve as Prez.

    The Dems realize that Kamala cannot actually get herself elected and a bitter civil war breaks out over the 2024 Dem nomination.

    Kamala gets the nomination and chooses AOC as VP to "heal the party."

    The Donald wins the GOP nomination and chooses Kristi Noem as VP.

    Trump-Noem get 360 electoral votes.

    And happy days are here again!
    -----------------
    My prediction on 11/1/2020 was closer to the mark than I usualy do:

    Trump takes everything he took in 2016 EXCEPT WI and MI for a 280/260 win, but the Dems end up obviously stealing PA, and Trump loses in the courts. So Biden is inaugurated on 1/20/2021.
     
    Of course, I did miss that the Dems would also manage to steal AZ and, of all places, GA! Having grown up "across the river" from Illinois, I should have remembered to never under-estimate the ability of the Dems to steal an election.

    The new Trump slogan: #RememberTheSteal.

    Replies: @gent, @AnotherDad, @Gapeseed

    Trump-Noem get 360 electoral votes.

    Democrats have been stealing elections since (conservatively) 1960, when the mobbed-up JFK used the Chicago machine to tip Illinois and then the election. With that big steal left unpunished even when Nixon and company had the opportunity to raise the issue, they have perfected their craft, aided by a stranglehold on urban machines, partisan corporate media, and new election technology. They didn’t stop then, and if Trump fades into history without taking further action, they won’t stop in the future. So why do you think that we will ever again win an important election?

  179. @Michael S

    Trump is an extraordinarily resilient personality, so I’m sure he’ll think of some next step in his remarkable career.
     
    Yeah, I'm sure he'll have plenty of opportunities to do that from the dank cell that they plan to throw him in before they eventually Epstein him, a plan that they've been discussing openly for the past 3 months or so.

    Steve, when did you stop paying attention to reality and start believing what you read in the news? I never really thought of you as a boomer, despite your generational handicap, but this is definitely the most boomer post you've ever made. So congratulations, you've earned it:

    OK Boomer

    Replies: @prek

    Sad but true.

  180. @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous

    The courts aren't on your side. I wouldn't spend a dollar suing over this.

    None of the other powerful institutions in America are on your side either.

    Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions. Keep your opinions secret and apply for government jobs. The best time to start was years ago. The second best time is now.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Pericles, @stealth, @Authenticjazzman, @Corvinus, @Anonymous

    “The courts aren’t on your side. I wouldn’t spend a dollar suing over this.”

    So are you inferring the courts are on your side only when they rule in your favor, and that the rule of law is what you personally make it out to be?

    Perhaps the decisions of the courts in the Trump cases challenging the legitimacy of the votes/election was based on the lack of standing and a lack of clear, convincing evidence? And that maybe Trump has been suing because he realizes his supporters will blindly give him boatloads of cash for his “defense fund”?

    “None of the other powerful institutions in America are on your side either”.

    Let us assume your side gains control of them in the future. How do you respond when your “enemies” make this exact same claim?

    “Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions”.

    LOL. Trump had four years to drain the swamp. He installed lackeys, Jews, and neo-cons, whom he ended up firing or letting go or they left on their own accord. Yet somehow, we are to believe he is this God Emperor (snicker snack) who despite his greatness ended up losing to the Deep State.

    “The second best time is now”.

    So, what are YOU waiting for? Duty calls, right? I’m sure with your connections you can land in a job in gummint.

  181. @gsjackson
    @Dave Pinsen

    No, not really. The prediction is just speculative. Obviously if it happens we're in completely uncharted waters. Military tribunals would probably play a role.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Wait, you had just stated that “Trump WILL invoke the Insurrection Act”, then backtrack and say you were speculating. Seriously, offer us a cogent response in what makes you believe that Trump has the chops to go down that road.

    I mean, is it not that obvious the fix was in? Breaking News…

    https://creativedestructionmedia.com/investigations/2020/12/12/breaking-antrim-county-mi-examination-results-dominion-machines-connected-to-internet-fake-ballots-thought-to-be-sent-to-europe-for-approval-cyber-teams-have-concrete-proof-of-election-fraud

    “CDMedia has been informed by sources close to the investigation that cyber teams which examined Dominion Voting Systems machines in Antrim County, Michigan last weekend have found concrete proof of massive cyber election fraud. There is more coming on this story but essentially fake ballots in massive amounts were counted and ‘approved’ in Europe, in either Spain or Germany”.

    Did not Sidney Powell a week or two weeks ago claimed she had smoking gun evidence, and that the truth would come out? So, where is she now? Perhaps you can fill in the blanks here, since “Biden will never be president”.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
    @Corvinus

    Obviously I don't know for a fact what will happen. Steve asked for predictions, I made one. I do know there are a lot of people out there in internet land -- a completely different mental universe from that spoken into being by the corporate media -- who believe that will happen.

    Sidney Powell is saying exactly the same things, as of yesterday. Maybe at some point a court will actually look at her evidence. As far as I'm aware, no court has decided anything on the merits yet.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Corvinus

  182. @Whiskey
    No Steve, try not to be stuck in the 1980s. Any sane, sober appreciation of the system points toward violent civil war and nothing else. Nothing else is literally possible.

    Biden's team stole the election. The stealing would not matter as much if it were Kennedy-Nixon, other than personalities and which gang of thieves steals more, and patronage, but here the stakes are much, much higher. Kennedy's people did not talk of putting Nixon's people in forced labor camps after public humiliation. They did not talk of seizing everything from White people to give to blacks. They did not talk of open borders and instant citizenship for any illegal with a third of the workforce now permanently unemployed and likely half after the next spate of lockdowns, nor packing the court, nor sending the last few jobs to China or Indian H1 B workers while instituting lockdowns that never ever end. With massive unemployment and nothing in the pipeline for good paying jobs. Oh and abolishing the police and opening prisons, but just for blacks. Who are now legally entitled to prey upon Whites for any reason at all.

    Worse, as illegitimate as he is, Biden was a public and known quantity who was Obama's VP. Kamasutra is an incompetent whore who could not even manage simple competence as AG. She won not a single primary, and is seen rightly as:

    A. A Whore pure and simple.
    B. Incompetent with the charm of a rattlesnake and the disposition of a black widow spider.
    C. Militantly anti-White in her aims and disposition.
    D. Illegitimate in that no one voted for her and she's the heir to the thief who stole the election.

    Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra's camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for "war crimes" related to blowing up various Iranian generals etc. And that a great mass of soldiers will be extradited to the International Criminal Court. That's competent meritocracy for you. Add in that there are series of new lockdowns in sight: the Kazakhstan plague whatever it is, more Beer Flu lockdowns, etc. and people are angry. Most Dem Governors just canceled Christmas. Meanwhile Kamasutra is proposing race-based health care rationing and lots of goodies for blacks, abolishing the police, and nothing for Whites. Or Latinos. Obviously Team Walking Dead is being elbowed aside for Team Whore of Babylon. Weekend at Biden's is over, its now rule by grating Diversity HR manager.

    Restrictions on evictions and mortgage payment holidays will end this month. For Christmas Queen Harris has ordinary people moved from their house to a tent under a bridge. What do they have to lose now?

    And states like Texas, and Florida, and all the others that joined in can simply ignore Queen Harris and her decrees, take Trump as the legitimate President, and refuse to accept any order or edict they don't like from Queen Harris. The pressure on them to do this will be irresistable by their voters and supporters, as will use of Federal Troops to remove Governors, Sheriffs, and other people and rule directly from DC. Remember oil, gas, retail that is not Amazon or Wal-Mart, agriculture, mining, and defense spending are all going to be made extinct by Queen Harris and her group. There are lot of people in boring non-Hollywood places making money that will be made poor forever by Queen Harris and the Silicon Valley oligarchs. She's promised the Green New Deal, abolishing the internal combustion engine, flying for ordinary people, vacations, pets, eating meat, and lockdowns that never end. Meanwhile Kamasutra is likely to render a whole bunch of military people to Iran or the ICC to reopen the Iran Money Laundering machine for her backers, and rely on said military to repress states and officials and run things directly. She will likely have to use Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, the NFAC people, Anti-Fa, and the like to run things and those clowns are guaranteed to spark off the hot phase of a civil war via guaranteed atrocities. Since much of the military is likely to do a sitzkreig response to her orders after extraditing various Generals and Admirals (who are all connected) as well as Special Forces groups. Harris is too stupid to understand that. She's a less competent black-adjacent Hillary without the charm.

    The Silicon Valley Oligarchs want the "Great Reset" and to use the media and Harris who is their tool to force the average American into drinking recycled sewage and eating bugs. Since your average person would happily commit genocide of every African on the planet to avoid a lifetime of eating bugs Civil War is inevitable. Particularly since Harris has zero legitimacy. None.

    Already in California of all places, the Orange County and LA County and Riverside County Sheriffs have said they will not enforce Gov. Newsom's orders. Not the curfew, not the ban on outdoor dining, or indoor dining, or limits on congregating, or church worship. None of it.

    Ask yourself: is Kamala Harris a person who is viewed as legitimate? As even half-way liked? As someone who can even remotely make people's lives better than they are now? And what of her backers? Are Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg people who inspire confidence? What about Susan Wojicki or Sundar Pinchai or that greasy Indian guy at Microsoft?

    Trump? He will die in prison like Jeffrey Epstein. Who did not kill himself. Along with his family. The Bidens will be pardoned by Harris. But while Harris can take office with insider moves, she can't move people from being in their own homes, celebrating Christmas, with their own cars and trucks to being homeless under a bridge eating bugs and not have a violent response.

    Meritocracy? That's boomer short bus talk. The US has not been a meritocracy since the first Bush Admin. Or arguably since the Civil Rights movement. The Lockheed Skunkworks did not employ empowered black women who screamed at White men all day and talked about their hair to create the SR-71. Almost all talented White, Asian males, and Latinos are locked out anything under crushing globalization and black black black black black blackety black black black.

    Replies: @Eric Novak, @Johnny Smoggins, @Old Prude, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Peter D. Bredon, @dfordoom, @Mike Tre

    Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra’s camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for “war crimes” related to blowing up various Iranian generals etc. And that a great mass of soldiers will be extradited to the International Criminal Court. That’s competent meritocracy for you.

    Uh, if Da Kween issues those orders I have trouble seeing the SpecOps guys going quietly.

    Just sayin’….

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    Uh, if Da Kween issues those orders I have trouble seeing the SpecOps guys going quietly.
     
    They used to send SEAL teams to SERE school as a unit, until one time as legend has it, one SEAL team escaped and took over the school.
  183. It’s fairly embarrassing that you treat Silver as a serious person with legitimate takes.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  184. @LondonBob
    So they knew which way they would have to vote so have come up with a weak reason not to hear it at all. Andrew Jackson was cheated out of an election, organised the Democrat Party and came back in the next election. Trump still has plenty of energy, he can spend the next four years ensuring primaries and elections go his own way and then run when Biden has had to handle the economic fallout from the lockdowns. The majority of voters already accept the election was stolen, a powerful motivator. The issue with this is the damage the Democrats can do in the next four years on immigration etc. Still great to see another liberal institution trash their reputation.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

    “The issue with this is the damage the Democrats can do in the next four years on immigration”

    Like adding 20 million + formerly illegal Democrats to the voter roles. I don’t see how the Republicans can ever overcome that.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Joseph Doaks

    Ask Ron DeSantis.

    Doable, but unlikely to be done.

  185. @Noticer of things
    @Johnny Bone

    Steve doesn't even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He's stated that.

    It's shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the "anomalies" and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying, e.g., https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/ (previous two posts on that site also lay out specific "anomalies" that, taken together, are essentially statistically impossible).

    Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind. I think there are some people who just can't bear to believe that the US has already become a banana republic--that includes a lot of his "respectable" readers/commenters here no doubt.

    I'll just say this. I have on occasion donated to Steve in the past, and I appreciate his courageous research on many subjects, but I'd like to focus my future contributions on those who are on the same page on really important issues. Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big. Hopefully he and others can continue to keep an open mind and review the data. I believe more and more people, when they really get a chance to look at the data, will come to understand that there was massive fraud at play.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Keypusher, @Dube, @Anonymous, @TTSSYF, @Corvinus, @TWS, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @ben tillman

    “Steve doesn’t even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He’s stated that.”

    Right, but he will tacitly endorse that narrative, because it is tin cup time.

    “It’s shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the “anomalies” and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying”

    I would say he did study them, and he NOTICED that the evidence simply does not support Trump’s claim of massive, widespread voter fraud. Remember, Trump stated he was going to win no matter what. When he won, there was no/limited fraud. But when he lost, there was huge fraud. He claims he won CONVINCINGLY. That is insane.

    Is it not reasonable to believe that just enough voters had decided on their own accord to NOT support him in 2020, much in the same manner that just enough voters chose of their own volition to NOT support Shitlery in 2016, because of their own actions? Why?

    “Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind”.

    You mean videos that show conclusive proof of individuals engaging in vote switching, ballot harvesting, vote dumping, etc.? Please provide links.

    As far as those eyewitnesses, they are claims. So why should we automatically believe them about what they saw, given how Trump lawyers do not make those accusations in court…

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

    and a number of those accusations have been debunked?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/business/media/voter-fraud-misinformation.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8938507/Donald-Trumps-234-pages-fraud-affidavits-include-unusual-claims.html

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/false-misleading-trump-team-claims-election-fraud/story?id=74179247

    So, perhaps you can keep an open mind and review the data.

    “Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big”.

    Assuming there was this massive, widespread fraud as claimed by Trump. But perhaps you can demonstrate how:

    1) the U.S. Army seized servers for Dominion in Germany;

    2) his cyber team has in its possession a Dominion machine from Ware County, Georgia with clear proof that votes had been purposely switched for Biden;

    3) his cyber team has clear proof that Dominion machines in Antrim County, Michigan automatically switched votes from Biden to Trump -and-

    4) Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act and declare martial law by the end of December.

    • Thanks: keypusher
    • Troll: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @Noticer of things
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus,

    Of course the media is going to say "debunked" "debunked" "debunked". If you believe they have any integrity and credibility with respect to things that clearly go against the partisan interests of their owners then you have had your head buried in the sand for the last 4+ years. In particular, you may have missed the fact that there was concrete evidence that Biden was a traitor (e-mails the authenticity of which was never specifically denied--other recipients verifying the e-mails were real, etc.) and videos/pics showing family incest, and the media simply pretended the evidence didn't exist to try to get their candidate elected.

    Re: numbers 1-4 you cited, we'll see what comes to light in the future. I'm not denying that some of the many fraud claims may not pan out. Some may even be intentional disinformation. There are allegations that fraud took place on multiple levels--(i) massive computer based fraud using Dominion and probably other voting systems; and (ii) targeted manual fraud in several Dem strongholds (including Detroit, Minneapolis, Philidelphia and Atlanta). Most of the evidence found thus far, including 1000+ witnesses, relates to (ii). Importantly, (i) wouldn't need to be true at all for (ii) to be true and to have altered the election result.

    What I'm saying is that for anyone who digs into the data from election night (and the following days) the evidence that there was significant fraud is overwhelming. I know you are just a troll here and what I say won't matter to you, but it may matter to others. If you have no time, you can look at the graphs in the attached and see if you can explain how they make sense: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1325592112428163072.html

    I haven't seen a lot of Ivy league statistician types come forward and say they are willing to publicly debate anyone re: these numbers and that there's nothing strange to see here. Now that doesn't show exactly how all the fraud happened (and to work out the details is likely to take months), but if you understand that the election was fundamentally fraudulent and Biden is illegitimate you will understand that this is of keen importance to half of the country (and probably a majority of the readers here), and you'll understand why they may have less interest (at least for the time being) in yet another Covid story.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @anon
    @Corvinus

    and a number of those accusations have been debunked?

    Remember when the allegations of Hunter Biden's crimes were debunked? By those same media outlets, if I recall.

    It was Russian disinformation!

    , @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Corvinus


    I would say he did study them, and he NOTICED that the evidence simply does not support Trump’s claim of massive, widespread voter fraud
     
    Jeez, you really know how to spout the narrative, don't you? But then again you trot out the New York Times and ABC News to support your arguments. THEY'RE objective and dispassionate, yessiree.

    "massive, widespread voter fraud." Nice. Does that mean you might concede that there is "limited, targeted voter fraud?' What adjectives would you be "comfortable" with? I bet you wouldn't say "none," but somehow I don't think you would go there.

    See, here's the problem. Yahoos like you spout these canned phrases, but no one taking your position, as far as I can tell, has come up with a "standard" of evidence that would satisfy.

    The facts -- and they are indeed facts -- marshalled by the other side are very very troubling.

    The numbers alone are squirrely. Sizable discrepancies between voter roles and votes. Sizable swaths of ballots that had only single votes. The lack of signature verification on "mail-in ballots." The timing of vote counting, particularly in Georgia, especially when the watchers were told to go home and that vote counting was done, and then, voila, they started counting again with no one to observe. Huge vote dumps that somehow late in the evening or early in the morning went 90 plus percent for Biden in Michigan and Wisconsin.

    And all these crazy results just HAPPENED to occur in Democrat areas well know for their corruption and cheating. I know. I live in one.

    And then there are the statistical anomalies. The sheer number of ballots cast versus what would be expected, even four years after the last election. The county by county analysis that would normally lead one to think that Trump won handily but somehow, someway, just a few counties in a few states tipped the scales with large numbers of pig in a python counts.

    The whole enterprise stinks, and anyone with half a brain would be desperately holding their nose.

    And then on top of that, as the Texas suit noted, we had secretaries of state blatantly violating the Electors clause of the Constitution by dramatically changing the rules of the game -- executive "authorities" who, oddly enough, were either rabid Democrats (Kathy Boockvar poses as a lawyer but is actually a Social Justice Warrior) or never Trumpers.

    Now the Supreme Court ruling -- hey can one blame them? Since if they actually ruled on the law they risked having their houses firebombed by AntiFa. And, gee, isn't it funny now that the riots have stopped? Oh, well, I guess we have no "widespread evidence of coordinated mostly peaceful demonstrations."

    We have now officially entered Banana Republic territory.

    And no New York Times stories, or canned phraseology spouted by the likes of you, will change that.

    Replies: @Dube, @Corvinus

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Corvinus

    Reagan: "Trust, but verify."

    Corvinus: "Suspect Russia. Trust China."


    This is the street on which the purveyor of the voting machines our corvine friend wants us to trust whole-heartedly is headquartered. It's conveniently outside US jurisdiction.


    https://torontoist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/20130514streetsign.jpg

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Corvinus

    "Is it not reasonable to believe that just enough voters had decided on their own accord to NOT support him in 2020."

    I think that that is a reasonable assumption. I'd like to see an analysis of New Hampshire, where the Republicans swept to power in both chambers of the statehouse but Trump performed worse than 2016. Assuming no fraud, that's a genuinely interesting result: they liked the Republican message and hated Trump.

    What kind of fraud proof are you looking for? Proof of any fraud, proof of fraud sufficient to overturn the election, proof of secret server raids in Germany and Dominion switching votes? I think the first is already established; you need only check the records on dead people who voted, a long-standing American tradition. How many states does it have to happen in before you would consider it widespread?

    I think the third idea is fantasy. As Steve has pointed out, it imagines Trump is more organized and proactive than he has demonstrated evidence of. I could see Bill Clinton being that cunning. HW Bush, too. not Trump.

    The second is interesting, however; I am greatly appreciating the arguments on both sides about data.

    Question: if there is acceptable proof to you that more ballots than the margin of victory were cast either fraudulently (by dead or ineligible people) or illegally (by ballots not following the law of the state where cast), what will you recommend?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  186. @Corvinus
    @gsjackson

    Wait, you had just stated that "Trump WILL invoke the Insurrection Act", then backtrack and say you were speculating. Seriously, offer us a cogent response in what makes you believe that Trump has the chops to go down that road.

    I mean, is it not that obvious the fix was in? Breaking News...

    https://creativedestructionmedia.com/investigations/2020/12/12/breaking-antrim-county-mi-examination-results-dominion-machines-connected-to-internet-fake-ballots-thought-to-be-sent-to-europe-for-approval-cyber-teams-have-concrete-proof-of-election-fraud

    "CDMedia has been informed by sources close to the investigation that cyber teams which examined Dominion Voting Systems machines in Antrim County, Michigan last weekend have found concrete proof of massive cyber election fraud. There is more coming on this story but essentially fake ballots in massive amounts were counted and ‘approved’ in Europe, in either Spain or Germany".

    Did not Sidney Powell a week or two weeks ago claimed she had smoking gun evidence, and that the truth would come out? So, where is she now? Perhaps you can fill in the blanks here, since "Biden will never be president".

    Replies: @gsjackson

    Obviously I don’t know for a fact what will happen. Steve asked for predictions, I made one. I do know there are a lot of people out there in internet land — a completely different mental universe from that spoken into being by the corporate media — who believe that will happen.

    Sidney Powell is saying exactly the same things, as of yesterday. Maybe at some point a court will actually look at her evidence. As far as I’m aware, no court has decided anything on the merits yet.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @gsjackson

    Corvinus' schtick is wasting people's time. He doesn't debate in good faith, so it's pointless trying (I tried until I caught on).

    The 'Troll' button is your friend here, that and 'Ignore'.

    Replies: @gsjackson

    , @Corvinus
    @gsjackson

    "Obviously I don’t know for a fact what will happen. Steve asked for predictions, I made one."

    Saying "this WILL happen" is not a prediction. Try using "I THINK this will happen". The more you know...

    "I do know there are a lot of people out there in internet land — a completely different mental universe from that spoken into being by the corporate media — who believe that will happen."

    You mean a different alternate reality.

    "Sidney Powell is saying exactly the same things, as of yesterday. Maybe at some point a court will actually look at her evidence."

    Claims are not evidence.

    "As far as I’m aware, no court has decided anything on the merits yet."

    The Trump lawsuits that have been dismissed by the judges says otherwise.

  187. @anon
    Done Deal
    from NY Daily News

    FDA officials greenlighted the first COVID-19 vaccine on Friday night, allowing the government to put in motion a vaccination campaign to defeat the pandemic.
    Nursing home residents and health care workers are expected to be first in line for the shots of a vaccine produced by Pfizer and a German company, BioNTech.

     

    I expect Moderna next week. J&J and Astrazeneca in a month oe so. Lots of vaccine pretty soon.

    Meanwhile, the surge in reported cases mean another million + get immunity the hard way.

    Replies: @Twodees Partain

    Meanwhile, the surge in reported cases mean another million + get immunity the hard way.

    I suppose you mean the surge in ‘positive tests’ via PCR, which isn’t actually a test. These PCR results are being used to create the appearance of a pandemic where no such thing actually exists.

  188. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump has the same choices he has always had:
    a) Win
    b) Be destroyed along with his family, staff, and supporters.

    At this point, President Trump is down to:
    a1) Invoke the Insurrection Act, then call for a Constitutional Convention.
    b1) Be destroyed along with his family, staff, and supporters.

    I’d imagine that both look about equally undesirable to Pres. Trump.

    Note that (a1) is legal and probably feasible. As I understand things, the count of States that have a standing call for a Constitutional Convention is just 3 States short of the number required to invoke a Constitutional Convention.

    Texas Republicans have issued the following Tweet:

    “Perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by the constitution.” pic.twitter.com/4bB3gk88t4
    — Adam Kelsey (@adamkelsey) December 12, 2020

    and presumably would support Trump’s move (a’).

    The overall US situation remains unchanged. Western cities are visibly dying, and cannot be revived. Urban populations are unable to work productively in an industrialized society and are consuming so much that that Western capital base is inadequately supported and is eroding in both labor quality and equipment. This is the same situation that destroyed the USSR by 1990. It is also the situation that drives the attempt by Western urban areas to impose absolute government that would enforce increased flow of funds to immediate construction by non-productive urban populations.

    See: https://www.theepochtimes.com/former-special-forces-officer-warns-of-color-revolution-tactics-used-against-trump_3612952.html for a professional view of the election. I can vouch for the SF officer’s statements about the 2020 Federal Elections being right out of 1960-1970 conventional counterinsurgency doctrine.

    Note that erosion of US and Western productivity, which precluded productive response to the COVID-19 infection, is projected to starve some quarter billion people in 2021 (UN figures).

    As for my advice — same as that supposedly given to Alexander the Great by one of his father’s generals while the two were immersed in a flood of Greek refugees: “This is defeat. Avoid it.”

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous

    Choice c) would be to gracefully accept his defeat in the election, wish his successor well and facilitate a smooth transition, and leave the country together with the rest of his family and go and live in Brazil or some other country that has no extradition treaty with the US, quietly in private life, stay off Twitter, watch TV, play golf, and write his memoirs.

    Choice (d) would be to play the Pinochet card and claim that he suffers from senile dementia and is no longer capable of understanding any legal charges against him, which would probably be perfectly true.

    Choice (e) would be the same as choice d) except that he would negotiate a non-prosecution agreement, and settle up any taxes that he owes.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @colm
    @Anonymous

    Admitting Hawaii was the big mistake. It was one of Eisenhower's shit for the future; Hawaii should never have been given the statehood, since it is not part of North America.

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous[290] wrote:


    The overall US situation remains unchanged. Western cities are visibly dying, and cannot be revived. Urban populations are unable to work productively in an industrialized society and are consuming so much that that Western capital base is inadequately supported and is eroding in both labor quality and equipment. This is the same situation that destroyed the USSR by 1990.
     
    Yeah, the West comes up with ideas, so-called "Intellectual Property"and then implements those ideas in other countries.

    And tries to bully other countries into not just using the ideas for themselves. Which never works over the long run.

    "Our wealth is based on 'Intellectual Property'" is another way of saying that we are dying.

    And then there is the little matter that our whole monetary and financial system is based on the illusion that the entire world will continue using the dollar as the "international reserve currency" forever. 'Cause suckers never, ever realize they are being conned.

    Oh, we are indeed doomed unless we make a radical change of direction.

    Anonymous[290] also wrote:


    At this point, President Trump is down to:
    a1) Invoke the Insurrection Act, then call for a Constitutional Convention.
     
    He won't do it. That is not who he is, not how he has lived his life. He has thrived by figuring out how to work the angles within the existing system.

    The Donald lacks the imagination to think outside the box.

    No, the one thing Trump has accomplished is that a substantial number of US citizens now, for the first time, are able to articulate the fact that the people who run this country hate most of their fellow citizens.

    That clarity is good. I wish I believed it would be enough.

  189. Scotus did not deny standing to the states when they sued over “climate change”, and then, using their well known expertise in climatology, ruled that carbon dioxide was a polutent.

  190. @Harry Baldwin
    @anon

    Supposedly, antifa have been crowdfunding to buy weapons to bring to the Stop The Steal rally tomorrow.

    Uh, have you been to a gun store lately? It's a bit late to be buying weapons.

    "Well, sir, we still have this old Iver Johnson .32 caliber revolver at a reasonable price. It's a classic--President McKinley was assassinated with one, so it sounds like just what you want. Unfortunately, we haven't had any ammunition for the past six months."

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @J1234

    Civil strife might be just around the corner; remember when Colt said FU to mere civilians purchasing ARs a year back?

    Guess what? They are back in the market again.

    Don’t forget ammo, spare parts and proven magazines.

  191. @utu
    @Reg Cæsar

    You should have kept Judith decapitating Holofernes as a central figure of Hanukah narrative. Then the feminists and psychopathic dikes would love your holiday.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Judit_decapitando_a_Holofernes%2C_por_Artemisia_Gentileschi.jpg

    Instead you decided to roll out a sanitized version of Hanukah to offer children anti-Christmas tradition. You did not need to be concerned with Christmas when you lived in ghettos and shtetls. And globalization was not your problem either.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Then the feminists and psychopathic dikes would love your holiday.

    My holiday is Easter. Christendom is pointless without it.

    Unfortunately, it is not a holiday in my country, as in Europe or the Empire.

    • Thanks: utu
  192. @Anon
    The USSC order states that Texas does not have a “cognizable interest” in the manner in which another state conducts its “elections.” I will cognize it. This was not any old election. This was a presidential election, the result of which would be to elect an open-borders President, and party, to assume control of immigration. Texas — USSC, get out a map — is a border state. The petitioning states were electing to tell Texas citizens to reduce their wages and social services by reason of increased immigration. In sum, the suit was about wages and social services, not the details of election procedures.

    Replies: @Twodees Partain

    I agree that the claim of lack of standing is wrong. If a state has no standing in this case, then the very idea of standing is voided. Roberts habitually makes statements in his opinions that are so wrong as to be farcical. That only two other justices wrote dissents is somewhat telling, as well.

    The state of Texas obviously has standing to bring suit, regardless of whether the Chief Justice disagrees with the merits of the case. Decision on the merits should be addressed at trial. The Chief Justice apparently believes that his views on the merits of a case determines the issue of standing to bring a suit. He’s wrong.

    That Trump’s 3 “conservative” appointees couldn’t even be bothered to enter dissenting opinions shows that they are, like most Trump appointees, useless for the supposed purposes behind their appointments.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Twodees Partain

    The running of elections is delegated to the individual states. The Supreme Court has no standing.

    The state of Texas should only be allowed to order a rerun of its own election, not that of other states.

    The states of Texas should stand by its principles and rerun its own election. And then if it comes up with a different winner, they should rerun the election yet again, and set a precedent that elections should be based on the best of three.

    Or alternatively the whole election should be voided, and the US elections rerun under the supervision of the UN, as the US has shown that it is incapable of conducting democratic elections properly.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong, @Gary in Gramercy, @Twodees Partain

    , @Hibernian
    @Twodees Partain

    I can't bring a taxpayer suit against any wasteful appropriation I disapprove of, saying I'm harmed as a taxpayer. Without some limits on standing the courts would be working 23 hours a day, 7 days a week, with 1 hour sleep per night.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

  193. @dfordoom
    @RSDB



    The Russian … revolutionaries were … better in their human capital than the hereditary government they deposed.
     
    And your evidence for this is … ?
     
    The fact that they won?

    Replies: @RSDB

    Do you consider that sufficient evidence, or are you speaking rhetorically?

  194. @Lot
    “ For those talking about secession”

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @JimB, @Redman, @SimpleSong, @fnn, @Desiderius, @RSDB, @BB753, @lavoisier, @bomag, @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman, @ThreeCranes, @Lurker

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    Seems like there are plenty of historical counter-examples.

    I’d say ancient Rome had that set up; some Chinese dynasties; apartheid South Africa; others.

    Stable (“stable”) for a while; then not so much.

  195. @Corvinus
    @Noticer of things

    "Steve doesn’t even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He’s stated that."

    Right, but he will tacitly endorse that narrative, because it is tin cup time.

    "It’s shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the “anomalies” and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying"

    I would say he did study them, and he NOTICED that the evidence simply does not support Trump's claim of massive, widespread voter fraud. Remember, Trump stated he was going to win no matter what. When he won, there was no/limited fraud. But when he lost, there was huge fraud. He claims he won CONVINCINGLY. That is insane.

    Is it not reasonable to believe that just enough voters had decided on their own accord to NOT support him in 2020, much in the same manner that just enough voters chose of their own volition to NOT support Shitlery in 2016, because of their own actions? Why?

    "Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind".

    You mean videos that show conclusive proof of individuals engaging in vote switching, ballot harvesting, vote dumping, etc.? Please provide links.

    As far as those eyewitnesses, they are claims. So why should we automatically believe them about what they saw, given how Trump lawyers do not make those accusations in court...

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

    and a number of those accusations have been debunked?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/business/media/voter-fraud-misinformation.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8938507/Donald-Trumps-234-pages-fraud-affidavits-include-unusual-claims.html

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/false-misleading-trump-team-claims-election-fraud/story?id=74179247

    So, perhaps you can keep an open mind and review the data.

    "Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big".

    Assuming there was this massive, widespread fraud as claimed by Trump. But perhaps you can demonstrate how:

    1) the U.S. Army seized servers for Dominion in Germany;

    2) his cyber team has in its possession a Dominion machine from Ware County, Georgia with clear proof that votes had been purposely switched for Biden;

    3) his cyber team has clear proof that Dominion machines in Antrim County, Michigan automatically switched votes from Biden to Trump -and-

    4) Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act and declare martial law by the end of December.

    Replies: @Noticer of things, @anon, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Reg Cæsar, @TomSchmidt

    Corvinus,

    Of course the media is going to say “debunked” “debunked” “debunked”. If you believe they have any integrity and credibility with respect to things that clearly go against the partisan interests of their owners then you have had your head buried in the sand for the last 4+ years. In particular, you may have missed the fact that there was concrete evidence that Biden was a traitor (e-mails the authenticity of which was never specifically denied–other recipients verifying the e-mails were real, etc.) and videos/pics showing family incest, and the media simply pretended the evidence didn’t exist to try to get their candidate elected.

    Re: numbers 1-4 you cited, we’ll see what comes to light in the future. I’m not denying that some of the many fraud claims may not pan out. Some may even be intentional disinformation. There are allegations that fraud took place on multiple levels–(i) massive computer based fraud using Dominion and probably other voting systems; and (ii) targeted manual fraud in several Dem strongholds (including Detroit, Minneapolis, Philidelphia and Atlanta). Most of the evidence found thus far, including 1000+ witnesses, relates to (ii). Importantly, (i) wouldn’t need to be true at all for (ii) to be true and to have altered the election result.

    What I’m saying is that for anyone who digs into the data from election night (and the following days) the evidence that there was significant fraud is overwhelming. I know you are just a troll here and what I say won’t matter to you, but it may matter to others. If you have no time, you can look at the graphs in the attached and see if you can explain how they make sense: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1325592112428163072.html

    I haven’t seen a lot of Ivy league statistician types come forward and say they are willing to publicly debate anyone re: these numbers and that there’s nothing strange to see here. Now that doesn’t show exactly how all the fraud happened (and to work out the details is likely to take months), but if you understand that the election was fundamentally fraudulent and Biden is illegitimate you will understand that this is of keen importance to half of the country (and probably a majority of the readers here), and you’ll understand why they may have less interest (at least for the time being) in yet another Covid story.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Noticer of things

    "Of course the media is going to say “debunked” “debunked” “debunked”."

    Because it is--you simply do not want to believe it.

    "If you believe they have any integrity and credibility with respect to things that clearly go against the partisan interests of their owners then you have had your head buried in the sand for the last 4+ years.

    I would say it is plausible that people who consume alternative media is also having baseless conspiracies shoved at them routinely when they do not further investigate on their own accord. Why should we unequivocally kow tow to the sites you listed, along with Weasel Zippers, Brietbart, PJ Media, and Alex Jones?

    More importantly, read carefully the advice of Ron Unz…

    I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions…On a more serious note, many of my articles very heavily cite various MSM sources, so why would I do that if I believed they were always lying?”

     

    In a similar vein, the work of historians, then and now, involves collecting evidence and weaving a narrative that employs that evidence. If a person disagrees with the interpretation, then he/she has to offer counter evidence rather than automatically assume the overall work are “lies”.

    Does not this process keep “the flame of free thought alive”?

    "In particular, you may have missed the fact that there was concrete evidence that Biden was a traitor (e-mails the authenticity of which was never specifically denied–other recipients verifying the e-mails were real, etc.) and videos/pics showing family incest, and the media simply pretended the evidence didn’t exist to try to get their candidate elected".

    Allegedly. It may or may not be true. We shall see in the coming months. Of course, on a related note, you may have missed the fact that there was concrete evidence that Trump was a traitor--read the Proof series--and his team and supporters simply pretended the evidence doesn't exist to try to get their candidate re-elected.

    "Re: numbers 1-4 you cited, we’ll see what comes to light in the future. I’m not denying that some of the many fraud claims may not pan out."

    A number of the claims have not panned out. So why should we believe future claims?

    "Some may even be intentional disinformation."

    I am afraid is IS intentional disinformation.

    "Most of the evidence found thus far, including 1000+ witnesses, relates to (ii)."

    Why should we simply believe the eyewitness claims without verification?

    "What I’m saying is that for anyone who digs into the data from election night (and the following days) the evidence that there was significant fraud is overwhelming."

    Allegedly.

    "but if you understand that the election was fundamentally fraudulent and Biden is illegitimate you will understand"

    It's not a lie, if you believe it--George Constanza

  196. @Justvisiting
    @SimpleSong


    I think we’re approaching a tipping point where there is a lot of very good human capital outside the traditional centers of power, which tends to make the system unstable.
     
    Agreed--this is gonna get weird--my crystal ball has only fog at this point.

    The young folks are gonna have to figure this out...

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    As I tell my daughters. This is your world now, choose wisely.

  197. @Colin Wright
    'Lukewarm take: It's fairly hard to infer how people would have behaved if the election were closer. (Close enough that Trump's efforts to overturn the result would stand a chance.) I mean we know how Trump would have behaved, but everyone else—courts, state officials, etc.'

    ! Sheer hypocrisy. Given the infinitesimal winning margins in the critical states and the suspect manner in which those margins appeared, it's hard to see how the election could have been closer.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    He’s rubbing your nose in it. He’s a con(fidence) man. It’s his job.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Desiderius

    'He’s rubbing your nose in it. He’s a con(fidence) man. It’s his job.'

    This is actually one of the things that makes me even more suspicious.

    If this all wasn't orchestrated, we'd have at least one mainstream media outlet picking up at least one of the incidents and going 'looks like there's something here.' I mean, that's part of what the media does, in theory. It turns over the leaf mold behind the shed and sees what's growing underneath.

    ...even if it's actually not much. They find it, they make of it what they can, we are or are not impressed. That's the idea.

    ...but it didn't happen at all this time. It was all 'nothing happened -- move along' -- from everybody. This from the same folks who were seriously pretending Russia had interfered in the 2016 election. I mean, it apparently doesn't take much to make them cry wolf.

    I dunno if the conspiracy was explicit. I'd guess not. But even if was tacit, it was still a conspiracy. Trump was to be defeated -- by any means necessary. Obviously, that would have to include asserting that his defeat was completely legitimate. They were all in on the fix.

    ...now, the fun bit is facing up to who 'they' are: Jews, I'm reluctantly forced to admit.

    Awkward -- but that is what I see. Lots and lots of Jews.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Justvisiting

  198. @Just another serf
    The corrupt, decrepit Biden and his Indian sex worker sidekick are going to have a rough time ahead of them. A very large portion of this nation will develop a white hot hatred of them. Probably quite a bit more hatred than the opposition held for Trump.

    Biden finally got his wish. And may it destroy him and every member of his family.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Kylie, @Flip

    Yes, especially since one of Biden’s first acts is going to be to clamp down on gun ownership.

  199. @Joseph Doaks
    @LondonBob

    "The issue with this is the damage the Democrats can do in the next four years on immigration"

    Like adding 20 million + formerly illegal Democrats to the voter roles. I don't see how the Republicans can ever overcome that.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Ask Ron DeSantis.

    Doable, but unlikely to be done.

  200. Anon[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old and Grumpy
    The Supreme Court is a fundamentally lazy branch of government. They are also the most elitist. I have listen for years about the need for judges, and thought it was absurd to think any justice would overturn a previous SC decision. Can you imagine the case load these clerk served snoots would eventually have to take on? Dream on.

    Succession like civil war won't work. Crafty revenge is doable. The left is ideologically diverse. Take the common enemy of MAGA or GOP out of the equation, they'll start eating at themselves. Yes it is risky, but it isn't worse then shooting at a neighbor who might be closet MAGA. As for court packing, can you imagine the gridlock of all those lazy ass judges wanting their 2 minute fame? Didn't they do away with the electoral college with the cheat? The master plan is to move blacks and illegals into fly over country day one of the Biden administration. Do any of you have a plan for that ? All those fleeing urban liberals might turn out to be a blessing. Don't vote for the GOP federally, and egg on Antifa and BLM in suburbs and cities. Biden and Harris will start shooting sooner rather than later. Make it their ilk, not ours.

    Replies: @Anon

    The left wasn’t quarrelling with itself much during 8 years of Obama. They spent the whole time cooperating with each other to enrich themselves. The left has a goal–get rich. The left consists of the rich–who want to get richer, and the poor who want to get rich. They intend to take the money away from the earnings of the white working and middle classes.

  201. @Bardon Kaldian
    @LRFD


    One more thing: Steve described America as a meritocracy in his piece on succession: Is that really how you would describe it? Do the people in charge really strike you as the best and brightest? Or do they strike you as people who grasped the greasy pole and just kept climbing? Do they strike you instead as someone who was selected because they checked the right boxes and were protected from on high?
     
    US is a meritocracy, still, in matters that matter- science, technology, top finances, entrepreneurs, even entertainment industry etc.

    But its ceased to be a meritocracy in politics and political classes somewhere during the 60's or 70's. Say what you want, George C. Marshall or JFK, as different as they had been, were capable people & not clowns.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    No. It isn’t.

    My new General Theory of Why Everything Sucks:

    Allergic reaction

  202. @Neutral Observer

    Trump is an extraordinarily resilient personality, so I’m sure he’ll think of some next step in his remarkable career.
     
    Trump is a fatally flawed and fatally failed change agent.

    America needs an authentic change agent with genuine intelligence and genuine integrity. If toxic, stupid, narcissistic Trump remains the totem for change, then America is cooked for sure.

    The sooner the people fed up with the sclerotic Status Quo shove Trump off the stage and dump the incoherent, half-baked ideology defined by "Trumpism" the better.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Anon

    I’m sure it was satisfying to get that off your chest, but don’t hold your breath waiting for “an authentic change agent with genuine intelligence and genuine integrity” to get elected president. It will never be allowed to happen. In its open assault on Trump, the system has revealed itself.

  203. @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
    Oh nice news. I now get to keep the feather in my hat, since I have repeatedly predicted for years that if push comes to shove, the U.S. Supreme Court, will NEVER save this country from leftist and far leftist abominations. You see, the reason for my apparent arrogance, is that I concluded long ago that the left completely controls the U.S., all of its big Institutions IN EVERY WAY THAT MATTERS. The Republican party is simply a faux political entity and just around to make it seem as if the U.S. actually has democracy, or a two party system. It does not. In every single issue that matters during the last 70 plus years, the left has won out. Republican politicians are only good for blowing smoke out of their ..Bleep and useless to conservative Americans. What just happened with the "Supreme Court", its utter disregard for voters, proved what Republican politicians are all about. All three of the GOONS president Trump appointed, BETRAYED HIM AND HIS SUPPORTERS.....

    Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost

    The role of the Republican party is the same role assigned to the Washington Generals, the team that plays against the Harlem Globetrotters.

    They’re not supposed to win, but just give a pretense of opposition while Meadowlark Lemon does his schtick, gets his laughs from the crowd, then does another slam dunk.

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    Good enough explanation for me.

    , @Neil Templeton
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    Except in those days [as a kid] you went home to a home that was heated with natural gas and with parents who weren't afraid of being called racist.

  204. @Corvinus
    @Noticer of things

    "Steve doesn’t even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He’s stated that."

    Right, but he will tacitly endorse that narrative, because it is tin cup time.

    "It’s shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the “anomalies” and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying"

    I would say he did study them, and he NOTICED that the evidence simply does not support Trump's claim of massive, widespread voter fraud. Remember, Trump stated he was going to win no matter what. When he won, there was no/limited fraud. But when he lost, there was huge fraud. He claims he won CONVINCINGLY. That is insane.

    Is it not reasonable to believe that just enough voters had decided on their own accord to NOT support him in 2020, much in the same manner that just enough voters chose of their own volition to NOT support Shitlery in 2016, because of their own actions? Why?

    "Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind".

    You mean videos that show conclusive proof of individuals engaging in vote switching, ballot harvesting, vote dumping, etc.? Please provide links.

    As far as those eyewitnesses, they are claims. So why should we automatically believe them about what they saw, given how Trump lawyers do not make those accusations in court...

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

    and a number of those accusations have been debunked?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/business/media/voter-fraud-misinformation.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8938507/Donald-Trumps-234-pages-fraud-affidavits-include-unusual-claims.html

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/false-misleading-trump-team-claims-election-fraud/story?id=74179247

    So, perhaps you can keep an open mind and review the data.

    "Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big".

    Assuming there was this massive, widespread fraud as claimed by Trump. But perhaps you can demonstrate how:

    1) the U.S. Army seized servers for Dominion in Germany;

    2) his cyber team has in its possession a Dominion machine from Ware County, Georgia with clear proof that votes had been purposely switched for Biden;

    3) his cyber team has clear proof that Dominion machines in Antrim County, Michigan automatically switched votes from Biden to Trump -and-

    4) Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act and declare martial law by the end of December.

    Replies: @Noticer of things, @anon, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Reg Cæsar, @TomSchmidt

    and a number of those accusations have been debunked?

    Remember when the allegations of Hunter Biden’s crimes were debunked? By those same media outlets, if I recall.

    It was Russian disinformation!

  205. @Neutral Observer

    Trump is an extraordinarily resilient personality, so I’m sure he’ll think of some next step in his remarkable career.
     
    Trump is a fatally flawed and fatally failed change agent.

    America needs an authentic change agent with genuine intelligence and genuine integrity. If toxic, stupid, narcissistic Trump remains the totem for change, then America is cooked for sure.

    The sooner the people fed up with the sclerotic Status Quo shove Trump off the stage and dump the incoherent, half-baked ideology defined by "Trumpism" the better.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Anon

    The left hated Reagan with a passion and the media waged a propaganda war against him. Unlike Trump, Reagan was a slick guy who knew what to say without ruffling feathers. It didn’t help him at all. He was demonized by the left during his entire presidency.

  206. Looks like BATF is getting a head start with the Herr Biden regime of more gun control.

  207. The USA is dead.

    Long live the USA.

    Hello JUSA. We are now a nation of Jews, or at least run by Jews, from top to bottom, coast to coast. With all that that entails – unscrupulous, greedy, selfish, mass deception, narcissistic, oversensitive, vengeful, punitive, pleasure seeking, corrupt and decadent.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
    @anon

    In short, sociopathic.

  208. @Noticer of things
    @Johnny Bone

    Steve doesn't even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He's stated that.

    It's shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the "anomalies" and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying, e.g., https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/ (previous two posts on that site also lay out specific "anomalies" that, taken together, are essentially statistically impossible).

    Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind. I think there are some people who just can't bear to believe that the US has already become a banana republic--that includes a lot of his "respectable" readers/commenters here no doubt.

    I'll just say this. I have on occasion donated to Steve in the past, and I appreciate his courageous research on many subjects, but I'd like to focus my future contributions on those who are on the same page on really important issues. Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big. Hopefully he and others can continue to keep an open mind and review the data. I believe more and more people, when they really get a chance to look at the data, will come to understand that there was massive fraud at play.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Keypusher, @Dube, @Anonymous, @TTSSYF, @Corvinus, @TWS, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @ben tillman

    Steve would be terrified if allowed himself to go down this road. None of his numbers analysts none of his population comparisons, nothing would matter except that the election was the most fraudulent ever in America.

    It means no election going forward will be remotely honest. Like all gray men he’ll bow his head and if pushed he’ll call the deer a horse. He’ll raise his boys to keep their heads down and crawl. There’ll be room for guys who understand numbers at least for a while.

    Unless Trump crosses the Rubicon which Steve is certain he won’t, America as a nation is done.

    It’ll be like Rome. They’ll still call it America but it will bear no relation to the nation we lost.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @TWS

    Wow. I don’t agree with many of Mr Sailer’s views, specially the IQer view of life, but what makes you think you think you can look down on him from any height of bravery or decency or patriotism? At least the man signs his name under his writings. And has kids to raise. Can you say the same?

  209. @Corvinus
    @Noticer of things

    "Steve doesn’t even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He’s stated that."

    Right, but he will tacitly endorse that narrative, because it is tin cup time.

    "It’s shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the “anomalies” and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying"

    I would say he did study them, and he NOTICED that the evidence simply does not support Trump's claim of massive, widespread voter fraud. Remember, Trump stated he was going to win no matter what. When he won, there was no/limited fraud. But when he lost, there was huge fraud. He claims he won CONVINCINGLY. That is insane.

    Is it not reasonable to believe that just enough voters had decided on their own accord to NOT support him in 2020, much in the same manner that just enough voters chose of their own volition to NOT support Shitlery in 2016, because of their own actions? Why?

    "Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind".

    You mean videos that show conclusive proof of individuals engaging in vote switching, ballot harvesting, vote dumping, etc.? Please provide links.

    As far as those eyewitnesses, they are claims. So why should we automatically believe them about what they saw, given how Trump lawyers do not make those accusations in court...

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

    and a number of those accusations have been debunked?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/business/media/voter-fraud-misinformation.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8938507/Donald-Trumps-234-pages-fraud-affidavits-include-unusual-claims.html

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/false-misleading-trump-team-claims-election-fraud/story?id=74179247

    So, perhaps you can keep an open mind and review the data.

    "Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big".

    Assuming there was this massive, widespread fraud as claimed by Trump. But perhaps you can demonstrate how:

    1) the U.S. Army seized servers for Dominion in Germany;

    2) his cyber team has in its possession a Dominion machine from Ware County, Georgia with clear proof that votes had been purposely switched for Biden;

    3) his cyber team has clear proof that Dominion machines in Antrim County, Michigan automatically switched votes from Biden to Trump -and-

    4) Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act and declare martial law by the end of December.

    Replies: @Noticer of things, @anon, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Reg Cæsar, @TomSchmidt

    I would say he did study them, and he NOTICED that the evidence simply does not support Trump’s claim of massive, widespread voter fraud

    Jeez, you really know how to spout the narrative, don’t you? But then again you trot out the New York Times and ABC News to support your arguments. THEY’RE objective and dispassionate, yessiree.

    “massive, widespread voter fraud.” Nice. Does that mean you might concede that there is “limited, targeted voter fraud?’ What adjectives would you be “comfortable” with? I bet you wouldn’t say “none,” but somehow I don’t think you would go there.

    See, here’s the problem. Yahoos like you spout these canned phrases, but no one taking your position, as far as I can tell, has come up with a “standard” of evidence that would satisfy.

    The facts — and they are indeed facts — marshalled by the other side are very very troubling.

    The numbers alone are squirrely. Sizable discrepancies between voter roles and votes. Sizable swaths of ballots that had only single votes. The lack of signature verification on “mail-in ballots.” The timing of vote counting, particularly in Georgia, especially when the watchers were told to go home and that vote counting was done, and then, voila, they started counting again with no one to observe. Huge vote dumps that somehow late in the evening or early in the morning went 90 plus percent for Biden in Michigan and Wisconsin.

    And all these crazy results just HAPPENED to occur in Democrat areas well know for their corruption and cheating. I know. I live in one.

    And then there are the statistical anomalies. The sheer number of ballots cast versus what would be expected, even four years after the last election. The county by county analysis that would normally lead one to think that Trump won handily but somehow, someway, just a few counties in a few states tipped the scales with large numbers of pig in a python counts.

    The whole enterprise stinks, and anyone with half a brain would be desperately holding their nose.

    And then on top of that, as the Texas suit noted, we had secretaries of state blatantly violating the Electors clause of the Constitution by dramatically changing the rules of the game — executive “authorities” who, oddly enough, were either rabid Democrats (Kathy Boockvar poses as a lawyer but is actually a Social Justice Warrior) or never Trumpers.

    Now the Supreme Court ruling — hey can one blame them? Since if they actually ruled on the law they risked having their houses firebombed by AntiFa. And, gee, isn’t it funny now that the riots have stopped? Oh, well, I guess we have no “widespread evidence of coordinated mostly peaceful demonstrations.”

    We have now officially entered Banana Republic territory.

    And no New York Times stories, or canned phraseology spouted by the likes of you, will change that.

    • Replies: @Dube
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    [No] “massive, widespread voter fraud.” Nice. Does that mean you might concede that there is “limited, targeted voter fraud?’

    “Limited, targeted voter fraud." A necessary refinement in defining the issue. Thanks.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

    , @Corvinus
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    "Jeez, you really know how to spout the narrative, don’t you?'

    No, it's rather countering assertions, ones of which you passionately disagree with.

    "Does that mean you might concede that there is “limited, targeted voter fraud?"

    Not concede, but acknowledge there have been past cases, but not as widespread or perpetual as you believe, by which individuals have been arrested and convicted.

    "Yahoos like you spout these canned phrases, but no one taking your position, as far as I can tell, has come up with a “standard” of evidence that would satisfy."

    Actually, the "canned phrases" have come from Trump and his cadre of lawyers, and are relying on eyewitnesses who claim to have seen vote fraud in action. But then when they go to court...

    https://time.com/5914377/donald-trump-no-evidence-fraud/

    "The facts — and they are indeed facts — marshalled by the other side are very very troubling."

    Alternative facts, you mean.

    "The numbers alone are squirrely. Sizable discrepancies between voter roles and votes. Sizable swaths of ballots that had only single votes. The lack of signature verification on “mail-in ballots.” The timing of vote counting, particularly in Georgia, especially when the watchers were told to go home and that vote counting was done, and then, voila, they started counting again with no one to observe."

    Which have been addressed, but not in the manner by which you prefer a particular outcome.

    "Huge vote dumps that somehow late in the evening or early in the morning went 90 plus percent for Biden in Michigan and Wisconsin."

    That is what happened when mail in votes were counted last--the expectation was that they would heavily skew Democrat.

    "And all these crazy results just HAPPENED to occur in Democrat areas well know for their corruption and cheating. I know. I live in one."

    Certainly there has been corruption and cheating in those areas, but as far as massive, perpetual vote as you believe, past or present, well, no.

    https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression/myth-voter-fraud

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/494189-lets-put-the-vote-by-mail-fraud-myth-to-rest

    "The sheer number of ballots cast versus what would be expected, even four years after the last election."

    What was expected, and happened, is extraordinary large turnout for both sides, which is other than surprising given how Trump acted during his presidency.

    "The county by county analysis that would normally lead one to think that Trump won handily but somehow, someway, just a few counties in a few states tipped the scales with large numbers of pig in a python counts."

    I think what you cannot wrap your head around is the fact that many voters who voted for Trump switched on their own accord for Biden, similar to what happened in 2016 with Shitlery when they willingly chose Trump. You assume Trump was THAT popular.

    "And then on top of that, as the Texas suit noted, we had secretaries of state blatantly violating the Electors clause of the Constitution by dramatically changing the rules of the game..."

    You mean they made legal changes which were temporary according to the rules of their own constitutions and legislatures by statute. Do you not believe in observing the Tenth Amendment?

    https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/absentee-and-mail-voting-policies-in-effect-for-the-2020-election.aspx

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/states-changed-rules-voting-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/story?id=72309089

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/mail-voting-what-has-changed-2020

    "Since if they actually ruled on the law they risked having their houses firebombed by AntiFa. And, gee, isn’t it funny now that the riots have stopped?"

    Except they did rule on the law.

    "We have now officially entered Banana Republic territory."

    Management appreciates your opinion.

    "And no New York Times stories, or canned phraseology spouted by the likes of you, will change that."

    Enjoy your confirmation bias bubble.

  210. @Supply and Demand
    Eagerly awaiting the COPE.

    Replies: @Keypusher, @Morton's toes

    https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/82669.The_Life_of_the_Law

    We just need better lawyers and get to work. Nader’s book is a tribute to the power of class-action lawsuits. This is how in real life the tobacco companies got taken down. Jack Off Joe and the Skank Ho are small beer compared to Marlboro Man.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Morton's toes

    Except that tobacco companies didn't actually get taken down.

  211. @Keypusher
    @Clyde

    The ludicrous Texas lawsuit lost 0-9. Roberts is not your problem. Reality is.

    Replies: @Genrick Yagoda

    Over a lack of standing, not on the merits. And it was 7-2 on that issue.

    How does that make the case “ludicrous”? Do you think all of the 19 AG’s who joined their states are stupid?

    • Replies: @keypusher
    @Genrick Yagoda

    Over a lack of standing, not on the merits. And it was 7-2 on that issue.

    The two who dissented on standing would have thrown the case out on the merits. And the seven who found no standing would have done the same. Do you really think Supreme Court justices who actually believed the election had been stolen would have found that Texas had no standing? Standing was just an easy way to get rid of this idiotic case.

    Do you think all of the 19 AG’s who joined their states are stupid?

    No, I think they're shameless opportunists.

  212. “…merely to give Trump a second term.”

    Holy Jesus.

  213. @anon
    Done with this idiot boomer blog. Lots of wasted time on here.

    The one message from 2020 is that political violence works.

    Have fun discussing baseball stats while others are fighting and dying for our culture.

    Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @James Braxton, @TWS, @Anonymous, @ben tillman

    Pretty hard to disagree with. Steve owes us nothing. But he does owe himself some honesty.

    A stoic would be honest. A Christian would proclaim the truth. Steve can’t force himself to write what really happened.

    I’ve seen it with several guys. They are rightly terrified of civil war. And so they pretend it’s not there.

    You can ignore a shadow in your closet when you’re a kid. It’s just a shadow. When you’re a grown man and you hear glass break, your wife screaming for help, you don’t ignore it and hope it goes away.

  214. @Chrisnonymous
    @gsjackson

    As Andrew McCarthy pointed out, if executive and judicial parties subvert legislative election rules, the legislatures in question can address those issues. If they don't, the implication is clear--they implicitly approve the actions. It's also true what he says about the precedent. We don't want to live in a country where states are constantly fighting to invalidate each others' results. Imagine if these were Soros-backed Attorneys General claiming that some purple state's results were invalid because of XYZ racist disenfranchisement reason.

    But the refusal of all institutions to give the fraud charges a hearing in some public venue is a serious problem just due to the widespread belief in the fraud and regardless of the merits of the charges. It's clear that there is an attempt to "enforce" legitimacy by simply silencing people and returning to business as usual, but that is the wrong strategy to actually built trust and buy-in from the public. Plus, it looks like they are going to have to keep engaging in more and more serious censorship in order to silence people.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    As much as I loathe the federal courts, I’d like to see a deluge of multi-state vs. multi-state cases at SC, related to issues of federalism.

    For instance, a bloc of States Rights states (CSA-ish) suing the the State of California et al for being institutionally enmeshed with the USG.

    CSC Article III §9:

    The State of California is an inseparable part of the United States of America, and the United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

    Invidious.

  215. @Chrisnonymous
    @gsjackson

    As Andrew McCarthy pointed out, if executive and judicial parties subvert legislative election rules, the legislatures in question can address those issues. If they don't, the implication is clear--they implicitly approve the actions. It's also true what he says about the precedent. We don't want to live in a country where states are constantly fighting to invalidate each others' results. Imagine if these were Soros-backed Attorneys General claiming that some purple state's results were invalid because of XYZ racist disenfranchisement reason.

    But the refusal of all institutions to give the fraud charges a hearing in some public venue is a serious problem just due to the widespread belief in the fraud and regardless of the merits of the charges. It's clear that there is an attempt to "enforce" legitimacy by simply silencing people and returning to business as usual, but that is the wrong strategy to actually built trust and buy-in from the public. Plus, it looks like they are going to have to keep engaging in more and more serious censorship in order to silence people.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    As Andrew McCarthy pointed out, if executive and judicial parties subvert legislative election rules, the legislatures in question can address those issues. If they don’t, the implication is clear–they implicitly approve the actions.

    Right, and it’s due to a combination of factors in this instance — they were arguably concerned about the Wuhan AND a lot of them are Never Trumpers.

    My state Pennsylvania is now lost to Republican presidential candidates for the foreseeable future. The stupid legislation that they did pass about voting rules will be on the books forever, because if they try to go back to the way it was, there is no veto proof majority, and there is no Republican William Scranton on the horizon to be a future governor.

    And since our Secy of State cum Social Justice Warrior Kathy Boockvar got away with doing stuff even beyond that legislation, and the legislature acquiesced — well, it’s katy bar the proverbial door.

    The Republicans in PA have made a bargain with the Devil, and the Devil is going to get his due.

    PA will be a banana state inside a banana nation.

  216. @Clyde
    Compromised John Roberts is the poison on the Supreme Court. The libs on the Court are going to do lib. But the three new conservative Trump appointees... John Roberts laid down the law to them. And these three are fool enough to be in awe of Chief Justice John Roberts. This Supreme Court will rule on minor stuff but no balls or courage to rule fairly on 2020 election fraud. "Why ruin my familiy's Christmas holiday season for Trump, who everyone in DC hates anyway" "I will never get another invite to a prestigious lib cocktails party" Trump? F 'im. I am not going let him ruin my life and my children's lives. They will never be able to get into Brown or Harvard"

    With Roberts the SC is 5-4. It is not 6-3.
    And all those here who complain about Trump. You are going to miss him when he's gone.
    What blackmail does Roberts have hanging over him? The dubious way he and wife adopted two Irish babies. The internet has more on this.

    Replies: @Keypusher, @Achmed E. Newman, @Twodees Partain, @Supply and Demand

    I’m most certainly not going to miss Trump. I’ve relocated to China, and he was interrupting a very good grift for us here.

    You guys are jealous you didn’t escape the sinking ship in time.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Supply and Demand

    China may have seemed like a great bug-out place 10 years ago. You really fucked up picking that place to jump ship to, at this point in history. You absolutely deserve it.

    , @Anonymous
    @Supply and Demand

    I wonder what the supply and demand for foreign body parts is in China.

    I've read that foreigners can get various organs moist and fresh and at a very good price with no waiting time like they have at home.

    I'd guess that there is still an oversupply of Uighur and falun gong and Hong Kong university student parts, but if there is a demand for what you've got, i'd bet the ccp knows exactly where the supply is.

    Watch your back!

  217. @Billy Shears
    The secession would be a legal matter initially; where would they send the divisions to stop it?

    Replies: @cronkitsche

    With Democrat-controlled cities surrounded by conservative-dominant rural areas, conventional warfare is not feasible. What’s left? More biowarfare. It has worked wonderfully so far.

  218. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Whiskey


    Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra’s camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for “war crimes” related to blowing up various Iranian generals etc. And that a great mass of soldiers will be extradited to the International Criminal Court. That’s competent meritocracy for you.
     
    Uh, if Da Kween issues those orders I have trouble seeing the SpecOps guys going quietly.

    Just sayin'....

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Uh, if Da Kween issues those orders I have trouble seeing the SpecOps guys going quietly.

    They used to send SEAL teams to SERE school as a unit, until one time as legend has it, one SEAL team escaped and took over the school.

  219. Texas GOP Chair:

    ….. This decision will have far-reaching ramifications for the future of our constitutional republic. Perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a Union of states ….

    https://www.texasgop.org/chairman-allen-wests-response-to-scotus-decision/

    State Rep. Kyle Biedermann:

    Representative to file bill to allow Texas to secede
    https://www.fox7austin.com/video/879541

  220. @gsjackson
    @Corvinus

    Obviously I don't know for a fact what will happen. Steve asked for predictions, I made one. I do know there are a lot of people out there in internet land -- a completely different mental universe from that spoken into being by the corporate media -- who believe that will happen.

    Sidney Powell is saying exactly the same things, as of yesterday. Maybe at some point a court will actually look at her evidence. As far as I'm aware, no court has decided anything on the merits yet.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Corvinus

    Corvinus’ schtick is wasting people’s time. He doesn’t debate in good faith, so it’s pointless trying (I tried until I caught on).

    The ‘Troll’ button is your friend here, that and ‘Ignore’.

    • Agree: Justvisiting
    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @gsjackson
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Thanks. Actually I've gone a round with Corvy before, so I knew the M.O. and have no one but myself to blame for lost time. He jumped me through hoops for well over half an hour.

  221. @RSDB
    @Lot


    The Russian ... revolutionaries were ... better in their human capital than the hereditary government they deposed.
     
    And your evidence for this is ... ?

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Verymuchalive, @utu, @J.Ross, @Bill

    Revolutionaries were unscrupulous and ruthless while the Russian state was trying to impress the West how progressive and respecting civil rights it was. By 1890 capital punishment for murder virtually was never carried out, but substituted with 10 to 15 years imprisonment with hard labor. There was no deaths squad and no extrajudicial killings while the revolutionaries carried out hundreds of assassinations of sate officials. It seems that Russian Okhrana had the revolutionary cells penetrated but there was no decision and no resolve to round them up and lock them up under some emergency security measures. WWI made Okhrana shift priorities from anti-revolutionary to counter intelligence.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Thanks: RSDB
  222. @Desiderius
    @Colin Wright

    He's rubbing your nose in it. He's a con(fidence) man. It's his job.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘He’s rubbing your nose in it. He’s a con(fidence) man. It’s his job.’

    This is actually one of the things that makes me even more suspicious.

    If this all wasn’t orchestrated, we’d have at least one mainstream media outlet picking up at least one of the incidents and going ‘looks like there’s something here.’ I mean, that’s part of what the media does, in theory. It turns over the leaf mold behind the shed and sees what’s growing underneath.

    …even if it’s actually not much. They find it, they make of it what they can, we are or are not impressed. That’s the idea.

    …but it didn’t happen at all this time. It was all ‘nothing happened — move along’ — from everybody. This from the same folks who were seriously pretending Russia had interfered in the 2016 election. I mean, it apparently doesn’t take much to make them cry wolf.

    I dunno if the conspiracy was explicit. I’d guess not. But even if was tacit, it was still a conspiracy. Trump was to be defeated — by any means necessary. Obviously, that would have to include asserting that his defeat was completely legitimate. They were all in on the fix.

    …now, the fun bit is facing up to who ‘they’ are: Jews, I’m reluctantly forced to admit.

    Awkward — but that is what I see. Lots and lots of Jews.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Colin Wright

    Post-Jews, and the post-Christians they’re frantically trying to impress and vice versa.

    Deracination is the key to the ruling class.

    Rich Baris has the lowdown on Silver.

    , @Justvisiting
    @Colin Wright


    I dunno if the conspiracy was explicit. I’d guess not.
     
    This election reminds me of the Mafia skim off of the casinos that went on for many years.

    Everybody knew it was happening.

    Some of the "big names" were well known.

    There were also some lesser-known folks who became known years later.

    It was considered "normal" at the casinos, so honest folks who worked there didn't think anything of it.

    The "normals" also realized there was no legal authority they could trust, so whistleblowing would be very hazardous to your health.

    Lots of criminals wanted their "cut" including local and national politicians.

    There were even some criminals courageous enough or greedy enough or stupid enough to skim the skim.

    Mass media knew to keep their mouths shut--or else...

    It was the rule of the jungle--for _decades_.

    So--now it has just gone national--the political parties and organized crime have become indistinguishable--late stage kleptocracy.
  223. @RSDB
    @Lot


    The Russian ... revolutionaries were ... better in their human capital than the hereditary government they deposed.
     
    And your evidence for this is ... ?

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Verymuchalive, @utu, @J.Ross, @Bill

    Notice how the superior human capitol in every case had to bring back purged generals and bureaucrats and cops to do the actual work.

  224. Anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:

    Haven’t read Buckley’s book but your review didn’t mention what happens with imperial territories like Alaska and Hawaii. I think the Right is waking up to — as opposed to angrily blaming anything specifically for — the fact that like the extra-Denver middle region, Alaska is a rotten borough at this point. Don Young just got re-elected, to his 24th or 25th term, I’m not sure. They are “conservatives” up there in the same way Gibraltarians or Ulster Protestants can be called “conservative.” It’s not possible to reconcile the way of life and particular agenda of Alaskans, Idahoans, San Diegans, etc. with this inaccurate but entrenched beaux ideal of Red States.

    Also, for rightists, whether in the military or not, the Hawaii/Puerto Rico/Guam thing is less fashionable these days.

    I think in my lifetime an east-west split of the U.S. is likely, if the military industrial complex breaks down below a certain threshold, which itself seems like a fiscal inevitability. The line would begin somewhere around Albuquerque.

  225. @utu
    Most Americans, when they let themselves to think about it, believe that improprieties in the election process are common. Yet they believe in an unwritten law that the integrity of election should not be challenged and should not even be talked about. The myth of democracy should not be undermined. They also believe that the adversarial process between two parties will keep impropriates in check and will even them out over long time period. You won with a little help of stealing now but next time we will win by doing what you did but better. So neither party is interested in an honest election process and is doing nothing to improve the integrity of election. Instead they are engaged in self serving shenanigans like gerrymandering, fighting against mandatory ID... Stealing elections is as American as an apple pie. Trump supporters are not morally outraged that the election was stolen from Trump but they are angry with Trump that he let it happened, that he lost in the arm race of election stealing. The Supreme Court decision was expected and will not upset too many. The majority does not want anybody rocking the boat. The country, the corrupt, which is pretty much everybody, are is kept in balance by the doctrine of the mutually assured corruption.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Dube

    The country, the corrupt, which is pretty much everybody, are is kept in balance by the doctrine of the mutually assured corruption.

    Well coined.

    Whose image is on this coin?

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Dube

    Jim Wright.
    Tony Coelho.
    Robert Strauss.
    Dennis Hastert.

    Pick one. Any one will do.

    , @utu
    @Dube

    "Whose image is on this coin?" - I am not aware of seeing it anywhere until I wrote it, so unless I am unconsciously channeling somebody I take a credit for it.

  226. Obviously the Supreme Court has been bribed by the Democrats. Someone should check their PayPal accounts for smoking guns.

    Without a doubt they must realize that the election we just had was an abortion expelling Donald Trump from the comfortable womb-like Oval office.

    Some might find this far-fetched, but you don’t get to be a Justice on the Supreme Court without having a superhuman ability to ignore reality.

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
    @Jonathan Mason


    the election we just had was an abortion
     
    No, it was the TrumpacaustSIX MILLION stolen votes!

    Never again!
  227. @Twodees Partain
    @Anon

    I agree that the claim of lack of standing is wrong. If a state has no standing in this case, then the very idea of standing is voided. Roberts habitually makes statements in his opinions that are so wrong as to be farcical. That only two other justices wrote dissents is somewhat telling, as well.

    The state of Texas obviously has standing to bring suit, regardless of whether the Chief Justice disagrees with the merits of the case. Decision on the merits should be addressed at trial. The Chief Justice apparently believes that his views on the merits of a case determines the issue of standing to bring a suit. He's wrong.

    That Trump's 3 "conservative" appointees couldn't even be bothered to enter dissenting opinions shows that they are, like most Trump appointees, useless for the supposed purposes behind their appointments.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Hibernian

    The running of elections is delegated to the individual states. The Supreme Court has no standing.

    The state of Texas should only be allowed to order a rerun of its own election, not that of other states.

    The states of Texas should stand by its principles and rerun its own election. And then if it comes up with a different winner, they should rerun the election yet again, and set a precedent that elections should be based on the best of three.

    Or alternatively the whole election should be voided, and the US elections rerun under the supervision of the UN, as the US has shown that it is incapable of conducting democratic elections properly.

    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
    @Jonathan Mason

    The running of elections is delegated to the individual states.
    Agreed — so the federal so-called “voting rights” legislation is unconstitutional. I wish. :(

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @Jonathan Mason

    They must be having a sale on balderdash at your local Walmart, and you decided to stock up for the winter. Do I weigh in on the sovereignty of Parliament? No. As an Englishman, you should be more circumspect when opining on constitutional matters of which you know little or nothing. (Example: "The Supreme Court has no standing." Under the Constitution, the Supreme Court has original jurisdiction over matters to which a state is a party.)

    The issue of standing is a thicket, mostly because the courts enforce strict requirements for litigants to press their cases in court -- except when they don't, because "compelling issues" are at stake. For example, the Supreme Court has held that plaintiffs lack standing to assert claims for injury by having to pay taxes to support illegal government programs, because such injury is a "generalized grievance," and should be resolved by the political branches of government. However, the Court has made an exception for taxpayers challenging legislative subsidies to religion under the First Amendment's Establishment Clause.

    Here, the High Court might well have ruled against Texas, et al. on the merits of the claims presented. But to refuse to hear the case at all, on grounds of standing, when a Presidential election is at stake? If that's not compelling, what is? One can only imagine what Chief Justice Roberts must have told his colleagues when they discussed this case at Conference: "One Bush v. Gore is enough."

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @Twodees Partain
    @Jonathan Mason

    The US Constitution set standards for states to conduct their elections. Ignoring those standards have an effect on a federal level election, causing an improper result in the election that causes an effect on other states.

    "The Supreme Court has no standing."

    What a bizarre statement. The rest of your comment is just silly, so I won't engage you on those points.

  228. @Lot
    “ For those talking about secession”

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @JimB, @Redman, @SimpleSong, @fnn, @Desiderius, @RSDB, @BB753, @lavoisier, @bomag, @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman, @ThreeCranes, @Lurker

    Don’t think Russian or French revolutionaries were necessarily better “human capital” than the governments they deposed. Especially in the case of the Russian revolution. But even with the French Revolution, there is no evidence the aristocracy was full of idiots, only that they spent too much money. And the revolutionaries proved inept at running a government until Napoleon came around. A lot of good French capital was lost far earlier than the Revolution, with the expulsions of the industrious Huguenots.

  229. Can you imagine what would have happened if the court’s Newbies had been chosen by Hillary?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Odin

    I guess they would have overturned the election in favor of Trump and ordered a rerun. Am I right?

  230. @fnn
    @Lot

    One of the many problems the Empire has is the type of people who volunteer for the US military.

    https://twitter.com/Americas_Crimes/status/1329552069217243136


    https://twitter.com/Americas_Crimes/status/1329550818782097410

    Replies: @bomag

    …the type of people who volunteer for the… military.

    There are always too few angels in any endeavor; and it’s not like the military rewards angelic behavior.

    I’d say American military has been relatively well behaved overall, considering the numbers and mission.

  231. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @SimpleSong

    This. There are a lot of reasonably talented 25-year-old White guys who are waking up to the fact that they're staring down the barrel of 40 years of groveling at diversity training seminars, being trashed on by the media, being passed over for promotions while doing the work for incompetent POC co-workers, and watching other ethnic groups band together.

    What exactly are they giving up by not joining the system.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    Well, a decent salary for one…

    It isn’t that hard to hide your political beliefs. Just don’t live in one of the major metros and don’t seek employment in the federal government or education.

  232. @Peterike
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    “ Wouldn’t be surprised if after January 20 there is a serious attempt by leftist democrats to get rid of Biden.”

    Biden won’t last a year.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong

    Then KH will have 11+ years to transform these United States!

  233. @Jonathan Mason
    @Twodees Partain

    The running of elections is delegated to the individual states. The Supreme Court has no standing.

    The state of Texas should only be allowed to order a rerun of its own election, not that of other states.

    The states of Texas should stand by its principles and rerun its own election. And then if it comes up with a different winner, they should rerun the election yet again, and set a precedent that elections should be based on the best of three.

    Or alternatively the whole election should be voided, and the US elections rerun under the supervision of the UN, as the US has shown that it is incapable of conducting democratic elections properly.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong, @Gary in Gramercy, @Twodees Partain

    The running of elections is delegated to the individual states.
    Agreed — so the federal so-called “voting rights” legislation is unconstitutional. I wish. 🙁

  234. @Harry Baldwin
    @anon

    Supposedly, antifa have been crowdfunding to buy weapons to bring to the Stop The Steal rally tomorrow.

    Uh, have you been to a gun store lately? It's a bit late to be buying weapons.

    "Well, sir, we still have this old Iver Johnson .32 caliber revolver at a reasonable price. It's a classic--President McKinley was assassinated with one, so it sounds like just what you want. Unfortunately, we haven't had any ammunition for the past six months."

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @J1234

    LOL. Pretty true. And all you need for that .32 to be lethal is an incompetent surgeon to stick his dirty finger in the wound.

    Anyway, “crowdfunding to buy weapons”? I thought Soros paid for everything.

  235. @Jonathan Mason
    @Twodees Partain

    The running of elections is delegated to the individual states. The Supreme Court has no standing.

    The state of Texas should only be allowed to order a rerun of its own election, not that of other states.

    The states of Texas should stand by its principles and rerun its own election. And then if it comes up with a different winner, they should rerun the election yet again, and set a precedent that elections should be based on the best of three.

    Or alternatively the whole election should be voided, and the US elections rerun under the supervision of the UN, as the US has shown that it is incapable of conducting democratic elections properly.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong, @Gary in Gramercy, @Twodees Partain

    They must be having a sale on balderdash at your local Walmart, and you decided to stock up for the winter. Do I weigh in on the sovereignty of Parliament? No. As an Englishman, you should be more circumspect when opining on constitutional matters of which you know little or nothing. (Example: “The Supreme Court has no standing.” Under the Constitution, the Supreme Court has original jurisdiction over matters to which a state is a party.)

    The issue of standing is a thicket, mostly because the courts enforce strict requirements for litigants to press their cases in court — except when they don’t, because “compelling issues” are at stake. For example, the Supreme Court has held that plaintiffs lack standing to assert claims for injury by having to pay taxes to support illegal government programs, because such injury is a “generalized grievance,” and should be resolved by the political branches of government. However, the Court has made an exception for taxpayers challenging legislative subsidies to religion under the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause.

    Here, the High Court might well have ruled against Texas, et al. on the merits of the claims presented. But to refuse to hear the case at all, on grounds of standing, when a Presidential election is at stake? If that’s not compelling, what is? One can only imagine what Chief Justice Roberts must have told his colleagues when they discussed this case at Conference: “One Bush v. Gore is enough.”

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Gary in Gramercy

    If Florida had voted to invade Texas, then Texas might have a reasonable case in appealing to the Supreme Court. But in this case there's no legitimate issue between the states. The fact that the ruling majority in Texas believes that it would be better overall if there was a republican in the White House it is not a legitimate issue to rule on.

    The Supreme Court can only rule on whether matters are constitutional or not. To rule that four States had elections that were unconstitutional would effectively be a coup d'etat worthy of Venezuela, and very unlikely to be ruled on by a supreme Court which is consisting of people mostly chosen for their views on abortion who have a well paid sinecure for life, as long as they don't mess up by breaking up the United States, or some other connstitutional faux pas.

    By the way I am a citizen of the United States, so I have standing in this discussion.

    Replies: @gsjackson, @Gary in Gramercy

  236. @Jonathan Mason
    Obviously the Supreme Court has been bribed by the Democrats. Someone should check their PayPal accounts for smoking guns.

    Without a doubt they must realize that the election we just had was an abortion expelling Donald Trump from the comfortable womb-like Oval office.

    Some might find this far-fetched, but you don't get to be a Justice on the Supreme Court without having a superhuman ability to ignore reality.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong

    the election we just had was an abortion

    No, it was the TrumpacaustSIX MILLION stolen votes!

    Never again!

  237. America is run by a bunch of chickenshit suits, Zionists, pedophiles, whoremongers and sexual perverts, liars, cheats, lazy good for nothings, sociopaths, Black racists, effeminate feckless White “men” and/or feckless White women with tons of baggage and who are just as shady as their male counterparts, etc. So much for Trump’s wonderful appointees. haha. These were 5-star picks, folks. THEY PROVED TO BE AS FECKLESS as a gelding on a stud farm.

    Did I leave any group of “our” leaders out? This is the “elite”, people. The cream of the crop that has ran poor old America into the ground. America will go out with a whimper. People talk about an American Civil War? Hell, nothing in America is worth fighting for at this point. Disgusting is too kind of a word for what has happened to this country. I guess nothing last forever though. America had their run as king of the mountain. Cue: God Bless America by Kate Smith or more appropriately “Born In The USA” by Springsteen or “American Pie” by one hit wonder, Don McClean while you drive your Chevy to the levy.

    America is the laughingstock of the whole world right now. How in the hell can anyone in America talk about how some dictator ruling a country or how America is a free country, a “democratic society” for the people, anymore. My gawd, America has become just as criminal as the third world dictatorships “our” media is always condemning.

  238. @Johnny Bone
    Steve with all your statistical skills I’m surprised you haven’t weighed in on all the statistical anomalies in this election. You could have a field day

    Replies: @Noticer of things, @Peter D. Bredon

    “Steve with all your statistical skills I’m surprised you haven’t weighed in on all the statistical anomalies in this election”

    Conan Doyle: the dog that didn’t bark

    Jonathan Revulsky: High IQ Idiots.

    N. Taleb: Intellectuals yet idiots.

  239. @lavoisier
    @Lot

    Totally Disagree.

    We are about as far away today from a meritocracy as one can get. A better description would be a corruptocracy.

    The rich get richer, and the very rich get extraordinarily rich. The seamless connection between the very rich and the government is obvious.

    And what is meritocratic about vulture capitalists and hedge fund managers making billions of dollars? Wall Street bankers as the cream of the crop?? I would think the key behavioral characteristic for this line of work is not high intelligence but psychopathy.

    No, there is a deep sense of anger and unease across the land, and this is not because people resent hard working and intelligent people making a lot of money. Rather, it is a sense that the game is rigged, and that the elite making off like bandits in the new world order are not just bandits but highly sophisticated and immoral criminals.

    The elite may well stay in power given their control of the government and the media, but it is not because the vast majority of Americans admire them and consider them worthy of elite status.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @MBlanc46

    I believe kleptocracy is the noun you’re looking for. As in 1990’s Russia, the nation we used to joke about. Chickens, chickens, why so many, and why are they roosting here…

  240. Steve is correct, secession isn’t going to happen. I agree with Frank Buckley (from Steve’s Taki’s article) that life is too comfortable for the slighted to secede. It’s human nature. Fat people have a problem going and staying on a diet for a reason: crappy food tastes too good.

    It’s bad that Biden will be president, but I sure hope he stays healthy for at least the next four years with Kamala waiting in the wings. It actually might be very entertaining to be on the sidelines witnessing a 25th amendment coup attempt with Biden as an unwilling deposed.

    Also, it’s probably time for the populist right to replace Trump with a leader who’ll be less of a personality cult (and more politically adept.) So there is a silver lining.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @J1234


    Steve is correct, secession isn’t going to happen. I agree with Frank Buckley (from Steve’s Taki’s article) that life is too comfortable for the slighted to secede.
     
    What the secessionists overlook is that for most people very little will change under a Biden presidency. There's still be shiny consumer goods on the shelves. There'll still be plenty of porn on the internet. There'll still be comic-book movies. There'll still be celebrity gossip. People who are doing well financially now will continue do well. People who are struggling now will still be struggling.

    White people are not going to be put into cattle trucks and shipped off to death camps.

    Freedom of speech will be more and more restricted but that's already happening under Trump and most people don't really care. It's mostly only Boomers who worry about freedom of speech. More right-wing websites will be squeezed out of existence but most people are not going to care.

    And drugs will be more and more freely available. If you have enough to eat, and you have comic-book movies and porn and drugs, then really you have all you need.

    The Cultural Revolution will continue but that's been happening anyway under Trump.

    Things are just not going to be bad enough for enough people to make them interested in giving up what they have to become resistance fighters which means risking everything and ending up in a cell in Guantanomo Bay. And things are just not going to be bad enough for enough people to make them interested in paying the huge costs and taking the immense risks that secession would entail.

    So the short version: very little will happen when Biden becomes president. And there won't be any secession.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

  241. @Noticer of things
    @Johnny Bone

    Steve doesn't even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He's stated that.

    It's shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the "anomalies" and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying, e.g., https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/ (previous two posts on that site also lay out specific "anomalies" that, taken together, are essentially statistically impossible).

    Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind. I think there are some people who just can't bear to believe that the US has already become a banana republic--that includes a lot of his "respectable" readers/commenters here no doubt.

    I'll just say this. I have on occasion donated to Steve in the past, and I appreciate his courageous research on many subjects, but I'd like to focus my future contributions on those who are on the same page on really important issues. Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big. Hopefully he and others can continue to keep an open mind and review the data. I believe more and more people, when they really get a chance to look at the data, will come to understand that there was massive fraud at play.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Keypusher, @Dube, @Anonymous, @TTSSYF, @Corvinus, @TWS, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @ben tillman

    “Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind.”

    A teachable moment, as the Left would say. The IQ nerds and HBD fetishists always get so frustrated with “dumb” normies who would rather agree with what their neighbors and class think, than “open their eyes” and “just look at the statistics” on race, IQ, crime etc.

    Maybe having one of their own, a leader in fact, turn out to be just another normie when it comes to the one most important issue of the day, will teach them some humility.

    “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.”

  242. @Gary in Gramercy
    @Jonathan Mason

    They must be having a sale on balderdash at your local Walmart, and you decided to stock up for the winter. Do I weigh in on the sovereignty of Parliament? No. As an Englishman, you should be more circumspect when opining on constitutional matters of which you know little or nothing. (Example: "The Supreme Court has no standing." Under the Constitution, the Supreme Court has original jurisdiction over matters to which a state is a party.)

    The issue of standing is a thicket, mostly because the courts enforce strict requirements for litigants to press their cases in court -- except when they don't, because "compelling issues" are at stake. For example, the Supreme Court has held that plaintiffs lack standing to assert claims for injury by having to pay taxes to support illegal government programs, because such injury is a "generalized grievance," and should be resolved by the political branches of government. However, the Court has made an exception for taxpayers challenging legislative subsidies to religion under the First Amendment's Establishment Clause.

    Here, the High Court might well have ruled against Texas, et al. on the merits of the claims presented. But to refuse to hear the case at all, on grounds of standing, when a Presidential election is at stake? If that's not compelling, what is? One can only imagine what Chief Justice Roberts must have told his colleagues when they discussed this case at Conference: "One Bush v. Gore is enough."

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    If Florida had voted to invade Texas, then Texas might have a reasonable case in appealing to the Supreme Court. But in this case there’s no legitimate issue between the states. The fact that the ruling majority in Texas believes that it would be better overall if there was a republican in the White House it is not a legitimate issue to rule on.

    The Supreme Court can only rule on whether matters are constitutional or not. To rule that four States had elections that were unconstitutional would effectively be a coup d’etat worthy of Venezuela, and very unlikely to be ruled on by a supreme Court which is consisting of people mostly chosen for their views on abortion who have a well paid sinecure for life, as long as they don’t mess up by breaking up the United States, or some other connstitutional faux pas.

    By the way I am a citizen of the United States, so I have standing in this discussion.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
    @Jonathan Mason

    The "legitimate issue between the states" is that the constitutionally obtained votes of Texas are negated by the unconstitutionally (i.e., illegally) obtained votes in the four defendant states. As the suit made clear, the U.S, Constitution spells out explicitly how state electors are to be chosen, so there's very much a constitutional issue to be resolved. How do you think it should be resolved if not by SCOTUS?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Desiderius

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @Jonathan Mason

    "If Florida had voted to invade Texas, then Texas might have a reasonable case in appealing to the Supreme Court."

    If Florida ever invades Texas, I don't think Texas will respond with litigation.

  243. @Noticer of things
    @Johnny Bone

    Steve doesn't even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He's stated that.

    It's shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the "anomalies" and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying, e.g., https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/ (previous two posts on that site also lay out specific "anomalies" that, taken together, are essentially statistically impossible).

    Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind. I think there are some people who just can't bear to believe that the US has already become a banana republic--that includes a lot of his "respectable" readers/commenters here no doubt.

    I'll just say this. I have on occasion donated to Steve in the past, and I appreciate his courageous research on many subjects, but I'd like to focus my future contributions on those who are on the same page on really important issues. Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big. Hopefully he and others can continue to keep an open mind and review the data. I believe more and more people, when they really get a chance to look at the data, will come to understand that there was massive fraud at play.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Keypusher, @Dube, @Anonymous, @TTSSYF, @Corvinus, @TWS, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @ben tillman

    “Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big. Hopefully he and others can continue to keep an open mind and review the data. I believe more and more people, when they really get a chance to look at the data, will come to understand that there was massive fraud at play.”

    Noam Chomsky used to mock those who said “After X (JFK, Watergate, 9/11, whatever) America lost its innocence”; he would point out that America had no innocence to lose.

    Well, this is another such moment. The Maine, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Tonkin Bay, Dallas, Watergate, 9/11. Some people “get it” and others don’t; the latter don’t even notice that their phrase “conspiracy theory” was coined by the CIA.

    Since so many millions participated in the fake “election” event, maybe this is the tipping point where a sizable number of people realize that things aren’t true because the TV says so.

  244. @Lot
    “ For those talking about secession”

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @JimB, @Redman, @SimpleSong, @fnn, @Desiderius, @RSDB, @BB753, @lavoisier, @bomag, @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman, @ThreeCranes, @Lurker

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    It’s a nightmare for the intelligent. There’s no outlet for productive use of intelligence when the system is evil.

    And meritocracy? Not even close.

  245. @Odin
    Can you imagine what would have happened if the court's Newbies had been chosen by Hillary?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    I guess they would have overturned the election in favor of Trump and ordered a rerun. Am I right?

  246. @semeonx
    @Anon

    Does posting such drivel amuse you so much you would bother.

    Seriously, the PLA can build an underground bunker in the US and staff it with at least 50 K troops.

    Or did they dig themselves a tunnel from China. ???

    Replies: @James O'Meara

    Old school stuff. Back when Al Smith was running for President, the KKK newspapers published a photo of him at the opening of the Holland Tunnel. The photo was real, but the caption informed the proto-MAGA voters that this was a tunnel from NYC to Holland, through which the Pope would travel to consult with Smith. On bicycle, I suppose.

    • LOL: utu
  247. @Anonymous
    Trump has the same choices he has always had:
    a) Win
    b) Be destroyed along with his family, staff, and supporters.

    At this point, President Trump is down to:
    a1) Invoke the Insurrection Act, then call for a Constitutional Convention.
    b1) Be destroyed along with his family, staff, and supporters.

    I'd imagine that both look about equally undesirable to Pres. Trump.

    Note that (a1) is legal and probably feasible. As I understand things, the count of States that have a standing call for a Constitutional Convention is just 3 States short of the number required to invoke a Constitutional Convention.

    Texas Republicans have issued the following Tweet:

    “Perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by the constitution.” pic.twitter.com/4bB3gk88t4
    — Adam Kelsey (@adamkelsey) December 12, 2020

    and presumably would support Trump's move (a').

    The overall US situation remains unchanged. Western cities are visibly dying, and cannot be revived. Urban populations are unable to work productively in an industrialized society and are consuming so much that that Western capital base is inadequately supported and is eroding in both labor quality and equipment. This is the same situation that destroyed the USSR by 1990. It is also the situation that drives the attempt by Western urban areas to impose absolute government that would enforce increased flow of funds to immediate construction by non-productive urban populations.

    See: https://www.theepochtimes.com/former-special-forces-officer-warns-of-color-revolution-tactics-used-against-trump_3612952.html for a professional view of the election. I can vouch for the SF officer's statements about the 2020 Federal Elections being right out of 1960-1970 conventional counterinsurgency doctrine.

    Note that erosion of US and Western productivity, which precluded productive response to the COVID-19 infection, is projected to starve some quarter billion people in 2021 (UN figures).


    As for my advice -- same as that supposedly given to Alexander the Great by one of his father's generals while the two were immersed in a flood of Greek refugees: "This is defeat. Avoid it."

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @colm, @PhysicistDave

    Choice c) would be to gracefully accept his defeat in the election, wish his successor well and facilitate a smooth transition, and leave the country together with the rest of his family and go and live in Brazil or some other country that has no extradition treaty with the US, quietly in private life, stay off Twitter, watch TV, play golf, and write his memoirs.

    Choice (d) would be to play the Pinochet card and claim that he suffers from senile dementia and is no longer capable of understanding any legal charges against him, which would probably be perfectly true.

    Choice (e) would be the same as choice d) except that he would negotiate a non-prosecution agreement, and settle up any taxes that he owes.

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    John, for your own sake don't try to be a deal maker with the Left, or any part of it. If you were lucky you'd only get skinned.

    Each one of the courses of action you gave amounts to an agreement with the Left to not prosecute later if Trump does something now. The Left is not capable of agreements over time.

    Here is how it works: The Left is organizationally divided into many groups. Each group is constantly looking for something to distinguish itself, some cause that will divert attention and money to it. No group considers itself bound by promises made by another group. If Trump does such and such, to the approval of every existing Left group, then at least one, probably several, future Left group will use prosecution of Trump and his family, staff, and supporters as a means of gaining money and attention.

    And Trump would not have the approval of every Left group. See: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/unhinged-dem-rep-urges-pelosi-block-126-republicans-congress-supporting-insurrection-for for an example.

    Pinochet tried something like your choice (c). He left when requested, was awarded a permanent government position and immunity from prosecution, and was arrested during a trip to Europe by a foreign organization - Left organization - that considered him guilty when Chile did not. (d) and (e) would have the same effect.

    Trump surely knows this, and so do his dependents, his staff, and his supporters.

  248. @SimpleSong
    @Lot

    I agree that's why the U.S. has been stable in the past--they essentially co-opted potential revolutionaries into the system. The talented did better working inside the system than against it.

    I'm not sure if that will hold going forward. Affirmative action moves us away from that in two ways. Most obviously, it destroys opportunities for talented whites and Asians to join powerful institutions as those slots get filled by AA hires. More insidiously, even the people who make it into the power structures end up spending a lot of their time on babysitting the incompetent AAs, planning more diversity training, etc., A lot of people just don't want that to be what their life is, and they leave.

    We think of affirmative action as an old program but in reality we haven't felt the full effect yet: the people in leadership positions now are from the relatively early days of AA, when it had a smaller effect as the country was more white. And AA would help you get into a college that was over your head, but afterward not much--however now it seems to apply over pretty much a person's entire career. So the incompetence is just going to get worse.

    I think we're approaching a tipping point where there is a lot of very good human capital outside the traditional centers of power, which tends to make the system unstable.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    I think there’s an error in what you’re saying but I think it’s very subtle.

    AA and “diversity” aren’t the same thing. The goals of AA are both modest and codified in law and if embraced with the letter and spirit of the law in mind and in assertion, it’s implementation would harm Asians and Europeans little, especially because institutions can affirm publicly they are in compliance so no need to go overboard. This argument gets weaker with “disparate impact” but largely I think it’s defensible.

    “Diversity” is extralegal. It is not found in the law. It’s demands vastly exceed the law and are completely unreasonable and yet: successfully, through extralegal means, diversity and it’s ideology have become dejure convention and the harm is grave and if it isn’t stopped or at least isolated and amputated, it will be mortal.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Rooster10
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    I would argue that AA was just a path to “Diversity”, much like Socialism is just a path to Communism. The goal is to get people to agree to something somewhat logical, within the legal realm, and adheres to an overall a feel-good narrative. Then, after the program has become normalized, you push the goal post even further.

    AA was not the end goal they had in mind, nor even is diversity. Past this diversity push will come their final solution; which means the elimination of Whitey.

  249. @Stebbing Heuer

    But it was never very likely that the 6-3 GOP majority on the Supreme Court would open themselves up to certain vengeance down the road by Democratic court-packers merely to give Donald Trump another term.
     
    Is there anyone in the United States, apart from the military, who does what they're paid to do rather than what is good for them personally?

    https://twitter.com/bygeorgist/status/1336375861650599940

    Replies: @James O'Meara

    I recall a few years back someone, likely in a Leftist publication, pointed out how cheap it is to buy a politician. And it’s not because Senators, for example, need to raise almost a billion to have a chance at winning. You could buy a guy’s vote for as little as 1o or 15k. Someone like Bezos or Soros could buy the whole Congress with chump change, and likely has already.

    “For Wales? Why Richard, it profit a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world… but for Wales!” ― Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

  250. Supreme Court = WORTHLESS
    Governors of Georgia and Arizona = WORTHLESS
    Senate ( Repukes and Demsheviks) = WORTHLESS
    House Of Representatives ONLY REPRESENT THEIR WALLETS.

    President Trump? Too much of an Israel Firster like all the rest but definitely the best of a sorry lot that have been President since FDR. When Trump, Nixon and a Hollywood ACTOR named Ronald Reagan represent the best that a country has to offer, that just about says it all about “our” representation in Washington. NAME ME THE LAST POTUS who was a TRUE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE? Look at this clown that is more than likely to be sworn into office now? My God, is this some kind of joke. This senile, wrinkly, career politician isn’t capable of going to the bathroom without getting lost, and he is supposed to be running a nation the size of America???? Look at the creepo that this guy has for a son? Genetics anyone?

  251. @Corvinus
    @Noticer of things

    "Steve doesn’t even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He’s stated that."

    Right, but he will tacitly endorse that narrative, because it is tin cup time.

    "It’s shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the “anomalies” and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying"

    I would say he did study them, and he NOTICED that the evidence simply does not support Trump's claim of massive, widespread voter fraud. Remember, Trump stated he was going to win no matter what. When he won, there was no/limited fraud. But when he lost, there was huge fraud. He claims he won CONVINCINGLY. That is insane.

    Is it not reasonable to believe that just enough voters had decided on their own accord to NOT support him in 2020, much in the same manner that just enough voters chose of their own volition to NOT support Shitlery in 2016, because of their own actions? Why?

    "Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind".

    You mean videos that show conclusive proof of individuals engaging in vote switching, ballot harvesting, vote dumping, etc.? Please provide links.

    As far as those eyewitnesses, they are claims. So why should we automatically believe them about what they saw, given how Trump lawyers do not make those accusations in court...

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

    and a number of those accusations have been debunked?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/business/media/voter-fraud-misinformation.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8938507/Donald-Trumps-234-pages-fraud-affidavits-include-unusual-claims.html

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/false-misleading-trump-team-claims-election-fraud/story?id=74179247

    So, perhaps you can keep an open mind and review the data.

    "Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big".

    Assuming there was this massive, widespread fraud as claimed by Trump. But perhaps you can demonstrate how:

    1) the U.S. Army seized servers for Dominion in Germany;

    2) his cyber team has in its possession a Dominion machine from Ware County, Georgia with clear proof that votes had been purposely switched for Biden;

    3) his cyber team has clear proof that Dominion machines in Antrim County, Michigan automatically switched votes from Biden to Trump -and-

    4) Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act and declare martial law by the end of December.

    Replies: @Noticer of things, @anon, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Reg Cæsar, @TomSchmidt

    Reagan: “Trust, but verify.”

    Corvinus: “Suspect Russia. Trust China.”

    This is the street on which the purveyor of the voting machines our corvine friend wants us to trust whole-heartedly is headquartered. It’s conveniently outside US jurisdiction.

  252. @gsjackson
    What happens next? The law suits against five or six states alleging fraud will continue winding their way toward SCOTUS, including, I presume, the one against Pennsylvania for which emergency injunctive relief was denied but not cert. Unless Trump's lawyers -- who include the most famous prosecutor in American history who is given props even by the mob for his work against them -- have completely lost their minds, the evidence of fraud will be clearly demonstrated.

    The Texas suit was thrown out on a technicality of standing -- states are not covered by the Equal Protection Clause. Bush v Gore, which found counties to be covered under the clause, was rejected as a precedent. There's little dispute about the substantive argument in the Texas suit. The Constitution specifically sets out how electors are to be chosen by the states, and these four states went beyond the specified procedure.

    What happens if courts, including SCOTUS, continue to refuse to even look at evidence of fraud? Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act, and be supported by a coalition of military intelligence and special ops units. Biden will never be president.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dave Pinsen, @Hibernian, @Chrisnonymous, @anon, @Peter D. Bredon

    ” Bush v Gore, which found counties to be covered under the clause, was rejected as a precedent. ”

    So, they just make things up as they go along. Who/whom I guess.

    So, I guess states don’t have “standing”: so, who the fuck does? Apparently no one. Just move along.

    What a country.

  253. @Twodees Partain
    @Clyde

    What blackmail does Roberts have hanging over him?

    What would make anyone think that Roberts needs to be blackmailed to make him do this kind of thing? This is how he has behaved since his first day as Chief Justice. If they can get you to ask the wrong questions.....

    Replies: @ben tillman

    What blackmail does Roberts have hanging over him?

    What would make anyone think that Roberts needs to be blackmailed to make him do this kind of thing? This is how he has behaved since his first day as Chief Justice.

    That fact doesn’t undermine the blackmail hypothesis.

  254. @Dube
    @utu


    The country, the corrupt, which is pretty much everybody, are is kept in balance by the doctrine of the mutually assured corruption.
     
    Well coined.

    Whose image is on this coin?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @utu

    Jim Wright.
    Tony Coelho.
    Robert Strauss.
    Dennis Hastert.

    Pick one. Any one will do.

  255. @Noticer of things
    @Johnny Bone

    Steve doesn't even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He's stated that.

    It's shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the "anomalies" and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying, e.g., https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/ (previous two posts on that site also lay out specific "anomalies" that, taken together, are essentially statistically impossible).

    Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind. I think there are some people who just can't bear to believe that the US has already become a banana republic--that includes a lot of his "respectable" readers/commenters here no doubt.

    I'll just say this. I have on occasion donated to Steve in the past, and I appreciate his courageous research on many subjects, but I'd like to focus my future contributions on those who are on the same page on really important issues. Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big. Hopefully he and others can continue to keep an open mind and review the data. I believe more and more people, when they really get a chance to look at the data, will come to understand that there was massive fraud at play.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Keypusher, @Dube, @Anonymous, @TTSSYF, @Corvinus, @TWS, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @ben tillman

    Steve doesn’t even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He’s stated that.

    It’s shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the “anomalies” and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying, e.g., https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/ (previous two posts on that site also lay out specific “anomalies” that, taken together, are essentially statistically impossible).

    Funny how neither you nor anyone else posted any links to any numbers or anomalies on this blog over the last five weeks.

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @ben tillman

    "Funny how neither you nor anyone else posted any links to any numbers or anomalies on this blog over the last five weeks."

    So, therefore they don't exist. Because his job and mine is to compile links you are too lazy to find yourself, since no one has ever mentioned this topic anywhere but here.

    Kinda like the MSM tactic of switching the discussion from the subject matter (Podesta emails, Biden laptop) to the messenger (leaks, Russians, etc.)

    Classic Hasbara. Mazel tov, comrade!

    Replies: @ben tillman

  256. @BB753
    @Lot

    The US is only as stable as the dollar. When the Federal Reserve will no longer be able to print money at will, all bets are off.
    That day, the "meritorious" will be in trouble. My theory is that we're reaching that point and that the whole BLM/covid charade was meant as a cover-up for a soft coup, called the Great Reset, planned to keep the elites in power and disenfrachise the uppity American people with real talent but no connections or lacking in melanine.

    Replies: @Aardvark

    Increment digits in a computer and print banknotes to match?
    Have a look at http://www.milliondollarbabies.com. It hasn’t been updated in a while but it documents the sad saga of hyper-inflation across assorted governments.
    The ability to inflate knows no bounds until the people get fed (no pun intended) up with it.
    If they succeed in eliminating cash and only using digital currencies, we will be royally phucked…
    Then it remains to be seen if a healthy barter system erupts or if precious metals mean anything.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @BB753
    @Aardvark

    Do you think Bitcoin will endure?

  257. @Reg Cæsar
    (On-topic, eventually.) Other than a couple of PC speed bumps, this rabbi nails it:

    Why the cultural elite truly despises Hanukkah

    So, what is our anti-globalist "Hannukah"? Thanksgiving? Flag Day? What can't be universalized?

    Unfortunately, Constitution Day already has been:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Day_(United_States)

    The rest of the Anglosphere has the Queen's Birthday, albeit on the wrong date. Monarchy is a useful reminder of a nation's roots.

    Some New England states have their Patriots' Day. If you live in the East, you get an extra day to file your 1040, as the Boston office is closed. But it would be weird for Americans to celebrate April 15. (It's easier in New England, which gave the most resistance to the Sixteenth Amendment.)

    Flag Day has the advantage of being Donald Trump's birthday.

    Replies: @utu, @Ancient Briton, @Anonymous

    The Thanksgiving celebrated by the Plymouth Pilgrims in November of 1621 was an Elizabethan traditional holiday giving thanks for the defeat of the Spanish Armada (1588).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Ancient Briton


    The Thanksgiving celebrated by the Plymouth Pilgrims in November of 1621 was an Elizabethan traditional holiday giving thanks for the defeat of the Spanish Armada (1588).

     

    As with the right to keep and bear arms, we're keeping it warm for you, in case you should ever want it back!
  258. @Jonathan Mason
    @Gary in Gramercy

    If Florida had voted to invade Texas, then Texas might have a reasonable case in appealing to the Supreme Court. But in this case there's no legitimate issue between the states. The fact that the ruling majority in Texas believes that it would be better overall if there was a republican in the White House it is not a legitimate issue to rule on.

    The Supreme Court can only rule on whether matters are constitutional or not. To rule that four States had elections that were unconstitutional would effectively be a coup d'etat worthy of Venezuela, and very unlikely to be ruled on by a supreme Court which is consisting of people mostly chosen for their views on abortion who have a well paid sinecure for life, as long as they don't mess up by breaking up the United States, or some other connstitutional faux pas.

    By the way I am a citizen of the United States, so I have standing in this discussion.

    Replies: @gsjackson, @Gary in Gramercy

    The “legitimate issue between the states” is that the constitutionally obtained votes of Texas are negated by the unconstitutionally (i.e., illegally) obtained votes in the four defendant states. As the suit made clear, the U.S, Constitution spells out explicitly how state electors are to be chosen, so there’s very much a constitutional issue to be resolved. How do you think it should be resolved if not by SCOTUS?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @gsjackson

    Texas can secede.

    , @Desiderius
    @gsjackson

    The State Legislatures of those states, as the Constitution prescribes. If Texas doesn’t like it they should call a Constitutional Convention to amend it.

  259. @Redman
    @Lot

    It’s unlikely that there will be a revolutionary crackup. We’ve seen how docile Americans are with the Wuflu fiasco. That was a big test. And we as a nation failed.

    But there’s a whole other level of economic misery we haven’t seen that our grandparents (or at least mine) did. What happens when that hurricane hits is anyone’s guess.

    I tend to think that Steve’s observation that Biden is our Von Hindenburg might be pretty spot on. If anything, there’s now an opening for a true populist to try to seize the throne from a hobbled and demented king in a few years.

    Replies: @MBlanc46, @Just another serf, @colm, @Known Fact

    Nope. There will NEVER be another election. NEVER. There will be NO opportunity to seize the power back, sorry.

  260. @Jonathan Mason
    @Gary in Gramercy

    If Florida had voted to invade Texas, then Texas might have a reasonable case in appealing to the Supreme Court. But in this case there's no legitimate issue between the states. The fact that the ruling majority in Texas believes that it would be better overall if there was a republican in the White House it is not a legitimate issue to rule on.

    The Supreme Court can only rule on whether matters are constitutional or not. To rule that four States had elections that were unconstitutional would effectively be a coup d'etat worthy of Venezuela, and very unlikely to be ruled on by a supreme Court which is consisting of people mostly chosen for their views on abortion who have a well paid sinecure for life, as long as they don't mess up by breaking up the United States, or some other connstitutional faux pas.

    By the way I am a citizen of the United States, so I have standing in this discussion.

    Replies: @gsjackson, @Gary in Gramercy

    “If Florida had voted to invade Texas, then Texas might have a reasonable case in appealing to the Supreme Court.”

    If Florida ever invades Texas, I don’t think Texas will respond with litigation.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  261. @obwandiyag
    Nothing's going to happen. You want a "revolution" disrupting your life more than it is already?

    Revolution means we starve. More than we are already.

    To have a real revolution that doesn't starve a lot of people, you need an enlightened cadre. Where you gonna find them?

    Replies: @colm

    Well, that’s what happens in your native Africa

  262. @Harry Baldwin
    I've got a bumper sticker idea:

    TRUMP 2024: NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!

    Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @colm

    But the Trump would be Ivanka or some other Trump. The original one would be in Gitmo

  263. @anon
    The USA is dead.

    Long live the USA.

    Hello JUSA. We are now a nation of Jews, or at least run by Jews, from top to bottom, coast to coast. With all that that entails - unscrupulous, greedy, selfish, mass deception, narcissistic, oversensitive, vengeful, punitive, pleasure seeking, corrupt and decadent.

    Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost

    In short, sociopathic.

  264. Is there anyone in America that truly believes that Biden won this election? I mean, really and truly believes Biden won LEGITIMATELY?

    I guess the powers that be have lied to America about so much over the years that they decided to not even try and make this at least seem believable. They truly feel that why even bother making the lie at least seem somewhat believable.

    Hey America, remember this line from another guy that quite possibly stole the election in 2000, “They hate our freedoms.” smdh. Speaking of lies, how about the official 9-11 narrative. Anyhow, you have the freedom to vote or just pretend like your vote matters for now, how long before they decide that you don’t need to vote anymore and just bend over and take one for the team. At least for a century you have been fed one lie after another, America, I guess this last one was an in your face slam dunk, like it or lump it. America, land of the free and home of the brave. Yeah right.

    What a “Huuuge” disappointment the Trumper’s Supreme Court picks turned out to be. Totally inept, useless, good for nothings as usual. I bet Trump really feels betrayed sticking his neck out for those creeps. And Trump campaigned for the worthless Governor of Georgia as well. That scared little twit has went into hiding.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Trinity

    You live in a bubble. Trump is the most unpopular President in American history, he has never had a favorability rating over 50 peecent his entire term. Out my college graduating class of 1200 people maybe 10 percent voted for him. My New Hampshire high school traditionally was very Republican but all the women I am still in touch with loathe Trump, and these are women who have voted Republican for 30 years. The men from my class who are outspoken Trump supporters were certainly not the brightest kids.

    The real question in my mind is how did Trump get 74 million votes. That’s where the fraud probably is. Outside the hardcore fanbase who goes to rallies and bitter middle aged failures I never meet Trump supporters in real life.

    Replies: @Moses, @James Braxton, @Authenticjazzman, @Trinity, @AP

  265. @Dube
    @utu


    The country, the corrupt, which is pretty much everybody, are is kept in balance by the doctrine of the mutually assured corruption.
     
    Well coined.

    Whose image is on this coin?

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @utu

    “Whose image is on this coin?” – I am not aware of seeing it anywhere until I wrote it, so unless I am unconsciously channeling somebody I take a credit for it.

  266. @Colin Wright
    @Desiderius

    'He’s rubbing your nose in it. He’s a con(fidence) man. It’s his job.'

    This is actually one of the things that makes me even more suspicious.

    If this all wasn't orchestrated, we'd have at least one mainstream media outlet picking up at least one of the incidents and going 'looks like there's something here.' I mean, that's part of what the media does, in theory. It turns over the leaf mold behind the shed and sees what's growing underneath.

    ...even if it's actually not much. They find it, they make of it what they can, we are or are not impressed. That's the idea.

    ...but it didn't happen at all this time. It was all 'nothing happened -- move along' -- from everybody. This from the same folks who were seriously pretending Russia had interfered in the 2016 election. I mean, it apparently doesn't take much to make them cry wolf.

    I dunno if the conspiracy was explicit. I'd guess not. But even if was tacit, it was still a conspiracy. Trump was to be defeated -- by any means necessary. Obviously, that would have to include asserting that his defeat was completely legitimate. They were all in on the fix.

    ...now, the fun bit is facing up to who 'they' are: Jews, I'm reluctantly forced to admit.

    Awkward -- but that is what I see. Lots and lots of Jews.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Justvisiting

    Post-Jews, and the post-Christians they’re frantically trying to impress and vice versa.

    Deracination is the key to the ruling class.

    Rich Baris has the lowdown on Silver.

  267. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Clyde


    “Why ruin my familiy’s Christmas holiday season for Trump, who everyone in DC hates anyway” “I will never get another invite to a prestigious lib cocktails party”
     
    Exactly, Clyde, and the same for Congressmen, Senators and the higher-level bureaucrats - see The Cocktail Party theory of Political Stupidity.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Clyde

    Covid has cut down on the socializing in DC but this will come back. Because much of DC is run on who you know, who you worked with, who you are related to. The cocktail parties are part of this. The women and wives want to show off new dresses and hairdos etc. The men want to network to do deals ($$$)and to exchange notes on their screwing the average American skullduggery.
    I read your peak stupidity entry which elaborates on this.
    I won’t mind if they drop the big one now on DC.

  268. @Achmed E. Newman
    @LRFD

    Great point, LFRD (minus the take on Steve Sailer's opinion - I couldn't remember that opinion from a previous post of his either).

    Anyway, that's what I disagree with when reading posts and comments about these big long-term conspiracy theories by the elites. I'm not saying there aren't concrete plans by the Soros' s and those types, such as his evil Secretary of State/AG project. However, lots of elites got there because their parents knew people or spent the big bucks to get them into Harvard, then they had helping hands into the elite ranks in politics and Big Biz, and yes, AA for the non-whites.

    These people aren't smarter than the average fast-food worker, but they are more worldly. This makes them think they know it all and know what's good for us, which is the problem. I don't think they make devious evil plans. They flair around screwing up the country with their stupidity.

    As for your question, we're not. They cannot let us secede for the same reason the Communists couldn't let countries secede for individual keep crossing into W. Berlin.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Anyway, that’s what I disagree with when reading posts and comments about these big long-term conspiracy theories by the elites. I’m not saying there aren’t concrete plans by the Soros’ s and those types, such as his evil Secretary of State/AG project. However, lots of elites got there because their parents knew people or spent the big bucks to get them into Harvard, then they had helping hands into the elite ranks in politics and Big Biz, and yes, AA for the non-whites.

    These people aren’t smarter than the average fast-food worker, but they are more worldly. This makes them think they know it all and know what’s good for us, which is the problem. I don’t think they make devious evil plans. They flair around screwing up the country with their stupidity.

    Yep. The elites are not SPECTRE – diabolical criminal geniuses with a master plan for world domination. They’re a bunch of people who have power and money but their motivations are all over the place. For some of the elites the motivation is just pure greed. For some it’s power. For some it’s status. For some the motivation is just to maintain their membership of the elite class. Some are motivated by good intentions. Sometimes the good intentions are hopelessly misguided are hopelessly incoherent.

    Some of the elites are motivated by hatred and fear of non-elites. Some are motivated by personal grudges – if they’re homosexuals they have it in for heterosexuals or for Christianity. Some are Christians and they’re motivated by Christian universalism. Some are atheists who hate Christianity. Some members of the elite are evil. Some are basically good but in a chaotic emotional way. Some are so self-centred that they can’t be described as good or evil – they just want what is best for themselves.

    Some members of the elites are highly intelligent. Some are frighteningly mediocre. Some are clever at amassing power and/or money but as dumb as rocks when it comes to anything else.

    As for your question, we’re not. They cannot let us secede for the same reason the Communists couldn’t let countries secede for individual keep crossing into W. Berlin.

    Agreed, but it has to be remembered that any centralised state, regardless of its ruling ideology, will fight tooth and nail to prevent the state from being broken up. Spain won’t let Catalonia secede. The Ottoman Empire did whatever it could to prevent subject peoples from breaking away from the Empire. The Austro-Hungarian Empire did the same. The English fought bitterly to prevent Irish independence. The British establishment waged a bitter (and successful) struggle to prevent Scottish independence. The United States fought a bloody war to prevent secession in the 1860s.

    If you have dreams of secession you have to accept that the centralised state apparatus will use every means at its disposal to oppose your plans, including the use of military force. If the use of military force results in millions of deaths they will still use military force against you.

  269. @Lot
    “ For those talking about secession”

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @JimB, @Redman, @SimpleSong, @fnn, @Desiderius, @RSDB, @BB753, @lavoisier, @bomag, @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman, @ThreeCranes, @Lurker

    Contrary to what many believe and say here, I do not believe that “life is an intelligence test”.

    Intelligence is but one aspect of a healthy personality. Can’t do without it, for sure, but it is not the sole virtue. There is no one, sole, or essential virtue. All work together harmoniously. Fact is, Plato thought that harmony (temperance) was the cardinal virtue.

    Intelligence may be the keystone of the arch, but the arch stands upon foundation stones. Corner stones are laid first, with much ceremony, for a reason.

    Rule by an elite selected solely on the basis of intelligence would be a living nightmare–a nightmare the likes of which Bobby Fischer and Ted the Unabomber rejected. To be super intelligent does not confer humane values. As others have commented, those who rise to the top of the financial world may be smart but if they are sociopaths, then this is the worst of all possible worlds.

    Imagine if people who were as dominant physically as are some are mentally, gave free rein to their strength. Who wouldn’t think that this wouldn’t be an asinine way to organize society? Yet we hear people here saying that the strong (meaning the super intelligent) should rule. They would never think of saying that the strong (bodily) should rule–and with good reason. It’s obvious when put in those terms. They know that rule by any group which was selected on the basis of one virtue would warp and cripple society.

    Meritocracy–and we’re a far cry from that– yes, but that’s not the whole enchilada.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  270. @PhysicistDave
    @Dave Pinsen

    Dave Pinsen wrote:


    Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions. Keep your opinions secret and apply for government jobs. The best time to start was years ago. The second best time is now.
     
    No: stay quiet long enough about your true beliefs, and you end up not believing in them any longer.

    Forty years ago, I was friends with a "radical libertarian" who hated the GOP so much that he advocated social ostracism against anyone who even spoke to a GOP group, including a mutual friend. In the end, he ended up working for the Bush II Administration in Iraq!

    Selling out is very, very easy to do.

    No, the "long march through the institutions" worked for the Left because the Left believes in coercive institutions. The fundamental problem is not that those institutions are controlled by the Left but that those institutions never should have existed in the first place --the Intelligence Community, the medical cartel, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, state-funded education, and all the rest.

    No, what we need to do is delegitimize those institutions, above all the Leviathan federal government that we still pretend is governed by the Constitution.

    The American revolutionaries did not find a better king: they dumped the King.

    We need to follow their example.

    All power to the people. Dismantle the elite.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Achmed E. Newman, @dfordoom

    No, the “long march through the institutions” worked for the Left

    The irony is that the Left still lost. Capitalism still reigns supreme and any opposition to capitalism has been very effectively suppressed. It’s the neo-liberals who now have total control, and there’s nothing leftist about neo-liberalism. Leftism is much less significant as a political force today than it was before the Long March Through the Institutions.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @dfordoom


    ...there’s nothing leftist about neo-liberalism.
     
    There is nothing liberal about it. It shares with leftism the desire for absolute power, as we saw in the last election.

    The irony is that the Left still lost.
     
    That's like the false trope that the Democratic Party "changed". The only thing they ever changed was sides.

    The Left is barreling towards its goal all along: unquestioned and permanent power. Doesn't sound like much of a loss.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @PhysicistDave
    @dfordoom

    dfordoom wrote to me:


    The irony is that the Left still lost. Capitalism still reigns supreme and any opposition to capitalism has been very effectively suppressed.
     
    Well, it depends on what you mean by "capitalism," doesn't it?

    "Crony capitalism" has certainly won: vide the likely next First Family.

    Actual free-market capitalism? Not so much.

    The WTO, NAFTA, etc. are not really "free trade," for example: they are "managed trade," managed in the interests of various powerful interest groups and corporations.

    And the whole hiring and training system for labor in the US (and the West in general) has been dramatically distorted from what would prevail in a free market society by Griggs v. Duke Power, by government subsidies to Higher Ed, by Affirmative Action, and by a host of other constraints.

    Yeah, what I call "righteous Leftists" -- the people who really wanted to improve the lives of the working class, like Glenn Greenwald or the late Dave Graeber or the late Stephen F. Cohen -- have certainly lost: "crony capitalism" was what they were fighting.

    But I am doubtful that any significant fraction of Leftist intellectuals or politicians were ever "righteous Leftists." I strongly suspect that most of them were always sociopaths who hated most of their fellow human beings and, in revenge, wanted power over them, really nasty power. As Orwell put it:

    If you want a picture of the [Leftist] future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever.
     

    Replies: @dfordoom

  271. @Anonymous
    Trump has the same choices he has always had:
    a) Win
    b) Be destroyed along with his family, staff, and supporters.

    At this point, President Trump is down to:
    a1) Invoke the Insurrection Act, then call for a Constitutional Convention.
    b1) Be destroyed along with his family, staff, and supporters.

    I'd imagine that both look about equally undesirable to Pres. Trump.

    Note that (a1) is legal and probably feasible. As I understand things, the count of States that have a standing call for a Constitutional Convention is just 3 States short of the number required to invoke a Constitutional Convention.

    Texas Republicans have issued the following Tweet:

    “Perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by the constitution.” pic.twitter.com/4bB3gk88t4
    — Adam Kelsey (@adamkelsey) December 12, 2020

    and presumably would support Trump's move (a').

    The overall US situation remains unchanged. Western cities are visibly dying, and cannot be revived. Urban populations are unable to work productively in an industrialized society and are consuming so much that that Western capital base is inadequately supported and is eroding in both labor quality and equipment. This is the same situation that destroyed the USSR by 1990. It is also the situation that drives the attempt by Western urban areas to impose absolute government that would enforce increased flow of funds to immediate construction by non-productive urban populations.

    See: https://www.theepochtimes.com/former-special-forces-officer-warns-of-color-revolution-tactics-used-against-trump_3612952.html for a professional view of the election. I can vouch for the SF officer's statements about the 2020 Federal Elections being right out of 1960-1970 conventional counterinsurgency doctrine.

    Note that erosion of US and Western productivity, which precluded productive response to the COVID-19 infection, is projected to starve some quarter billion people in 2021 (UN figures).


    As for my advice -- same as that supposedly given to Alexander the Great by one of his father's generals while the two were immersed in a flood of Greek refugees: "This is defeat. Avoid it."

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @colm, @PhysicistDave

    Admitting Hawaii was the big mistake. It was one of Eisenhower’s shit for the future; Hawaii should never have been given the statehood, since it is not part of North America.

  272. @Hamlet's Ghost
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    The role of the Republican party is the same role assigned to the Washington Generals, the team that plays against the Harlem Globetrotters.

    They're not supposed to win, but just give a pretense of opposition while Meadowlark Lemon does his schtick, gets his laughs from the crowd, then does another slam dunk.

    Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich, @Neil Templeton

    Good enough explanation for me.

  273. Anon[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @TWS
    @Noticer of things

    Steve would be terrified if allowed himself to go down this road. None of his numbers analysts none of his population comparisons, nothing would matter except that the election was the most fraudulent ever in America.

    It means no election going forward will be remotely honest. Like all gray men he'll bow his head and if pushed he'll call the deer a horse. He'll raise his boys to keep their heads down and crawl. There'll be room for guys who understand numbers at least for a while.

    Unless Trump crosses the Rubicon which Steve is certain he won't, America as a nation is done.

    It'll be like Rome. They'll still call it America but it will bear no relation to the nation we lost.

    Replies: @Anon

    Wow. I don’t agree with many of Mr Sailer’s views, specially the IQer view of life, but what makes you think you think you can look down on him from any height of bravery or decency or patriotism? At least the man signs his name under his writings. And has kids to raise. Can you say the same?

  274. @Ancient Briton
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Thanksgiving celebrated by the Plymouth Pilgrims in November of 1621 was an Elizabethan traditional holiday giving thanks for the defeat of the Spanish Armada (1588).

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The Thanksgiving celebrated by the Plymouth Pilgrims in November of 1621 was an Elizabethan traditional holiday giving thanks for the defeat of the Spanish Armada (1588).

    As with the right to keep and bear arms, we’re keeping it warm for you, in case you should ever want it back!

  275. @dfordoom
    @PhysicistDave


    No, the “long march through the institutions” worked for the Left
     
    The irony is that the Left still lost. Capitalism still reigns supreme and any opposition to capitalism has been very effectively suppressed. It's the neo-liberals who now have total control, and there's nothing leftist about neo-liberalism. Leftism is much less significant as a political force today than it was before the Long March Through the Institutions.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @PhysicistDave

    …there’s nothing leftist about neo-liberalism.

    There is nothing liberal about it. It shares with leftism the desire for absolute power, as we saw in the last election.

    The irony is that the Left still lost.

    That’s like the false trope that the Democratic Party “changed”. The only thing they ever changed was sides.

    The Left is barreling towards its goal all along: unquestioned and permanent power. Doesn’t sound like much of a loss.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Reg Cæsar


    That’s like the false trope that the Democratic Party “changed”. The only thing they ever changed was sides.
     
    The Left changed from being economically leftist to being economically rightist. You don't think that's a significant change?

    It would be like the Pope converting to Buddhism and people arguing that nothing has changed.


    …there’s nothing leftist about neo-liberalism.
     
    There is nothing liberal about it. It shares with leftism the desire for absolute power, as we saw in the last election.
     
    Actually it's very liberal. Liberalism is a very nasty ideology. And leftism and liberalism are pretty much polar opposites.

    Of course political actors are motivated by the desire for power. But what they want to do with that power when they get it does matter.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  276. @Whiskey
    No Steve, try not to be stuck in the 1980s. Any sane, sober appreciation of the system points toward violent civil war and nothing else. Nothing else is literally possible.

    Biden's team stole the election. The stealing would not matter as much if it were Kennedy-Nixon, other than personalities and which gang of thieves steals more, and patronage, but here the stakes are much, much higher. Kennedy's people did not talk of putting Nixon's people in forced labor camps after public humiliation. They did not talk of seizing everything from White people to give to blacks. They did not talk of open borders and instant citizenship for any illegal with a third of the workforce now permanently unemployed and likely half after the next spate of lockdowns, nor packing the court, nor sending the last few jobs to China or Indian H1 B workers while instituting lockdowns that never ever end. With massive unemployment and nothing in the pipeline for good paying jobs. Oh and abolishing the police and opening prisons, but just for blacks. Who are now legally entitled to prey upon Whites for any reason at all.

    Worse, as illegitimate as he is, Biden was a public and known quantity who was Obama's VP. Kamasutra is an incompetent whore who could not even manage simple competence as AG. She won not a single primary, and is seen rightly as:

    A. A Whore pure and simple.
    B. Incompetent with the charm of a rattlesnake and the disposition of a black widow spider.
    C. Militantly anti-White in her aims and disposition.
    D. Illegitimate in that no one voted for her and she's the heir to the thief who stole the election.

    Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra's camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for "war crimes" related to blowing up various Iranian generals etc. And that a great mass of soldiers will be extradited to the International Criminal Court. That's competent meritocracy for you. Add in that there are series of new lockdowns in sight: the Kazakhstan plague whatever it is, more Beer Flu lockdowns, etc. and people are angry. Most Dem Governors just canceled Christmas. Meanwhile Kamasutra is proposing race-based health care rationing and lots of goodies for blacks, abolishing the police, and nothing for Whites. Or Latinos. Obviously Team Walking Dead is being elbowed aside for Team Whore of Babylon. Weekend at Biden's is over, its now rule by grating Diversity HR manager.

    Restrictions on evictions and mortgage payment holidays will end this month. For Christmas Queen Harris has ordinary people moved from their house to a tent under a bridge. What do they have to lose now?

    And states like Texas, and Florida, and all the others that joined in can simply ignore Queen Harris and her decrees, take Trump as the legitimate President, and refuse to accept any order or edict they don't like from Queen Harris. The pressure on them to do this will be irresistable by their voters and supporters, as will use of Federal Troops to remove Governors, Sheriffs, and other people and rule directly from DC. Remember oil, gas, retail that is not Amazon or Wal-Mart, agriculture, mining, and defense spending are all going to be made extinct by Queen Harris and her group. There are lot of people in boring non-Hollywood places making money that will be made poor forever by Queen Harris and the Silicon Valley oligarchs. She's promised the Green New Deal, abolishing the internal combustion engine, flying for ordinary people, vacations, pets, eating meat, and lockdowns that never end. Meanwhile Kamasutra is likely to render a whole bunch of military people to Iran or the ICC to reopen the Iran Money Laundering machine for her backers, and rely on said military to repress states and officials and run things directly. She will likely have to use Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, the NFAC people, Anti-Fa, and the like to run things and those clowns are guaranteed to spark off the hot phase of a civil war via guaranteed atrocities. Since much of the military is likely to do a sitzkreig response to her orders after extraditing various Generals and Admirals (who are all connected) as well as Special Forces groups. Harris is too stupid to understand that. She's a less competent black-adjacent Hillary without the charm.

    The Silicon Valley Oligarchs want the "Great Reset" and to use the media and Harris who is their tool to force the average American into drinking recycled sewage and eating bugs. Since your average person would happily commit genocide of every African on the planet to avoid a lifetime of eating bugs Civil War is inevitable. Particularly since Harris has zero legitimacy. None.

    Already in California of all places, the Orange County and LA County and Riverside County Sheriffs have said they will not enforce Gov. Newsom's orders. Not the curfew, not the ban on outdoor dining, or indoor dining, or limits on congregating, or church worship. None of it.

    Ask yourself: is Kamala Harris a person who is viewed as legitimate? As even half-way liked? As someone who can even remotely make people's lives better than they are now? And what of her backers? Are Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg people who inspire confidence? What about Susan Wojicki or Sundar Pinchai or that greasy Indian guy at Microsoft?

    Trump? He will die in prison like Jeffrey Epstein. Who did not kill himself. Along with his family. The Bidens will be pardoned by Harris. But while Harris can take office with insider moves, she can't move people from being in their own homes, celebrating Christmas, with their own cars and trucks to being homeless under a bridge eating bugs and not have a violent response.

    Meritocracy? That's boomer short bus talk. The US has not been a meritocracy since the first Bush Admin. Or arguably since the Civil Rights movement. The Lockheed Skunkworks did not employ empowered black women who screamed at White men all day and talked about their hair to create the SR-71. Almost all talented White, Asian males, and Latinos are locked out anything under crushing globalization and black black black black black blackety black black black.

    Replies: @Eric Novak, @Johnny Smoggins, @Old Prude, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Peter D. Bredon, @dfordoom, @Mike Tre

    “Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra’s camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for “war crimes” related to blowing up various Iranian generals etc. And that a great mass of soldiers will be extradited to the International Criminal Court. That’s competent meritocracy for you.”

    You say that likes it’s a bad thing. I suppose you think the worst thing about the Nuremberg Trials was they were anti-meritocratic.

    I thought you Trumptards were all for “America First/No Wars for Israel” and were all butthurt when Bibi’s boy carved out a little exception for Iran.

    Trumptards who think he was “our guy” until Kushner got hold of him forget Trump spent Obama’s two terms hammering two and only two issues: Birtherism and trash the Iran nuke deal, both Zionist talking points.

    Oh, then there was this:

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Whiskey should register as a foreign agent.

  277. @ben tillman
    @Noticer of things


    Steve doesn’t even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He’s stated that.

    It’s shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the “anomalies” and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying, e.g., https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/12/i-asked-one-simple-question-to-people-who-work-with-fraud/ (previous two posts on that site also lay out specific “anomalies” that, taken together, are essentially statistically impossible).
     
    Funny how neither you nor anyone else posted any links to any numbers or anomalies on this blog over the last five weeks.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    “Funny how neither you nor anyone else posted any links to any numbers or anomalies on this blog over the last five weeks.”

    So, therefore they don’t exist. Because his job and mine is to compile links you are too lazy to find yourself, since no one has ever mentioned this topic anywhere but here.

    Kinda like the MSM tactic of switching the discussion from the subject matter (Podesta emails, Biden laptop) to the messenger (leaks, Russians, etc.)

    Classic Hasbara. Mazel tov, comrade!

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Peter D. Bredon

    That last line marks you as the stupidest commenter ever to comment here. The second sentence of the second paragraph is profoundly stupid as well. Have you ever been to this blog before?

  278. @Desiderius
    @PhysicistDave

    The left didn’t march through the institutions however much in their hubris they set out to do so.

    The institutions marched through the left.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The left didn’t march through the institutions however much in their hubris they set out to do so.

    The institutions marched through the left.

    Yep. That’s a very pithy and very accurate assessment.

    The Long March Through the Institutions led the Left to total defeat.

  279. @Stan Adams
    @Kylie


    A man may truly live in his dreams, his noblest dreams, but only, only if he is worthy of those dreams.
     
    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/b1a0707fa083879dc67c4841440e3015b4123a03/c=0-374-3745-2490/local/-/media/2017/06/26/Wilmington/Wilmington/636340820833333076-062617-BidenPool-SP729.JPG

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Kylie

    Your juxtaposition of the Ellison quotation with that absurd image is equal parts hilarious and horrifying.

  280. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    @SimpleSong

    I think there’s an error in what you’re saying but I think it’s very subtle.

    AA and “diversity” aren’t the same thing. The goals of AA are both modest and codified in law and if embraced with the letter and spirit of the law in mind and in assertion, it’s implementation would harm Asians and Europeans little, especially because institutions can affirm publicly they are in compliance so no need to go overboard. This argument gets weaker with “disparate impact” but largely I think it’s defensible.

    “Diversity” is extralegal. It is not found in the law. It’s demands vastly exceed the law and are completely unreasonable and yet: successfully, through extralegal means, diversity and it’s ideology have become dejure convention and the harm is grave and if it isn’t stopped or at least isolated and amputated, it will be mortal.

    Replies: @Rooster10

    I would argue that AA was just a path to “Diversity”, much like Socialism is just a path to Communism. The goal is to get people to agree to something somewhat logical, within the legal realm, and adheres to an overall a feel-good narrative. Then, after the program has become normalized, you push the goal post even further.

    AA was not the end goal they had in mind, nor even is diversity. Past this diversity push will come their final solution; which means the elimination of Whitey.

    • Agree: Etruscan Film Star
  281. Anonymous[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Done with this idiot boomer blog. Lots of wasted time on here.

    The one message from 2020 is that political violence works.

    Have fun discussing baseball stats while others are fighting and dying for our culture.

    Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @James Braxton, @TWS, @Anonymous, @ben tillman

    The Founding Fathers said “Liberty or death.” The Vikings spoke of Valhalla. The Romans accepted we’re on a one-way Via Nothingness.

    To Steve and his ilk, these beliefs are bumper stickers or a classic rock theme. He and his generation are little more than the kid by the Christmas Tree, holding some gibs, unable to comprehend the system which created their prosperity or freedom.

    Once young men accept the Feds can only kill you once — and they inevitably will, now or later — the system will be righted.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    @Anonymous

    And what generation are you from, oh mighty internet warrior? Oh, don't tell me, you are a Gen Xer, Millennial or Zoomer super warrior who weighs all of 135lbs soaking wet. IF you are a member of the aforementioned generations, than spare me, I have never seen more pathetic generations in my life. Life is not like a video game, Tiger, and talk is cheap. Please don't tell me you are some old geezer from the "greatest cuckold generation ever" or the "silent generation" who really turned this country to shit.

    Remember fellow baby boomers, it is all our fault that America fell and couldn't get back up, because, well damn it, a bunch of (((anonymous))) posters aka jerkoffs say so.

  282. @utu
    @dfordoom

    No, I did not mean that democracy is unworkable. It can be better or worse. What I meant by the myth of democracy was the myth of pristine democracy. It is not pristine and probably never was. Americans are very pragmatic and they are willing to accept and overlook blemishes. What counts the most is stability and continuity. In that sense America has the oldest working political system.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    No, I did not mean that democracy is unworkable. It can be better or worse. What I meant by the myth of democracy was the myth of pristine democracy.

    But what if it is unworkable? What if democracy is a system with such huge inherent flaws that it will always become corrupted? Look around the West. Do you see anything that would lead you to believe that democracy actually works? Are you inspired by Macron, or Merkel, or Boris Johnson? Because if you have democracy you end up with people like Macron, Merkel, Boris Johnson, Joe Biden.

    The West started to go down the toilet when it started to become democratic.

    Democracy is like prostitution. You can have a stable regulated system of prostitution but it’s still prostitution. A whore is still a whore. Politicians in a democracy will always be whores. And democracy turns the people into whores as well.

    You can tinker with the system as much as you like but all you’ll end up with is a shinier model of political prostitution and pretty soon the shine will wear off and it will be just as sleazy as it ever was.

    Democracy appeared to work because it was introduced at a time when rapid scientific and technological progress was transforming life in the West, and (on the whole) transforming it for the better. But things were not improving because of democracy, but rather in spite of democracy. Democracy got a lot of the credit for the improvements but that credit was not deserved.

    • Replies: @utu
    @dfordoom

    Muammar Gaddafi in his Green Book believed in the direct democracy only like the town hall meetings in Vermont. No place for politicians as intermediaries.

    But you are right it is possible that at some point the level of corruption is so high that the pipes of democracy get plugged completely and the only way to get it back on track seems to be by calling Mr. Roto-Rooter. But the risk that Mr. Roto-Rooter won't leave after doing his job is very high. There was only one Cincinnatus.

    There is a problem of scale. Gaddafi would agree that in smaller countries participatory democracy can work better. And then even better when the small country is a confederacy like Switzerland where the central government is weak and collects much lower amount of revenue than the sum of all cantons. Though this may lead to local corruptions on canton level and putting up with quirkiness of local traditions like denying women vote in Appenzell or virtual servitude by children of poor families in villages still happening in 1950s.

    Your Australia having only 24 mil population and being split into provinces with some autonomy has a much higher chance for reforming itself than 13 times larger US. So perhaps you should concentrate on Australia. Do what is possible. And I do not think that inviting the CCP to rule over Australia is a good idea. Hate America less and love your own country more.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Thoughts
    @dfordoom

    Democracy is a fine system of government when everyone is homogenous

    The moment you get one little tribe hell bent on destroying the majority, it goes out the window

    It can even be something like Protestant versus Catholic etc etc....Calvinists versus Quakers....

    Democracy requires Perfect Homogeneity....Does that exist? Nope or not for long. So...

    Replies: @dfordoom

  283. @gsjackson
    @Jonathan Mason

    The "legitimate issue between the states" is that the constitutionally obtained votes of Texas are negated by the unconstitutionally (i.e., illegally) obtained votes in the four defendant states. As the suit made clear, the U.S, Constitution spells out explicitly how state electors are to be chosen, so there's very much a constitutional issue to be resolved. How do you think it should be resolved if not by SCOTUS?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Desiderius

    Texas can secede.

  284. SCOTUS has just slammed the door in the face of 19 states wanting to be heard on the election fraud evidence and you think a class-action suit will change the outcome? Try again.

  285. @Anonymous
    @anon

    The Founding Fathers said "Liberty or death." The Vikings spoke of Valhalla. The Romans accepted we're on a one-way Via Nothingness.

    To Steve and his ilk, these beliefs are bumper stickers or a classic rock theme. He and his generation are little more than the kid by the Christmas Tree, holding some gibs, unable to comprehend the system which created their prosperity or freedom.

    Once young men accept the Feds can only kill you once -- and they inevitably will, now or later -- the system will be righted.

    Replies: @Trinity

    And what generation are you from, oh mighty internet warrior? Oh, don’t tell me, you are a Gen Xer, Millennial or Zoomer super warrior who weighs all of 135lbs soaking wet. IF you are a member of the aforementioned generations, than spare me, I have never seen more pathetic generations in my life. Life is not like a video game, Tiger, and talk is cheap. Please don’t tell me you are some old geezer from the “greatest cuckold generation ever” or the “silent generation” who really turned this country to shit.

    Remember fellow baby boomers, it is all our fault that America fell and couldn’t get back up, because, well damn it, a bunch of (((anonymous))) posters aka jerkoffs say so.

  286. @clyde
    @Dmon


    Once China gets ahold of Taiwan and TSM, they’ll have all of Apple’s IP plus one of the world’s two 5nm foundries, so short Apple/long Huawei.
    This is how China deals with their Jack Dorsey’s. It’s far superior to our system – I don’t remember seeing a single picture of Roger Stone being led away in chains.
     
    Right! Seizing Taiwan and TSM is a no brainer. Biden will not resist this move. It will instantly give CCP and China a 10% boost.
    Taiwan Semiconductor Mfg. Co. Ltd.
    NYSE: TSM

    As far as I know Samsung is TSM's only worthy competition. BTW just bought a refurb back up computer. The Intel inside is i5-8400 and is made via 14 nanometer process. This chip is very strong but runs at 65 watts. Funky but chic!

    Replies: @Dmon

    Yeah, Samsung has the only other 5nm foundry that I know of. That TSM fab in Arizona will probably be pulled off the table too, so even Intel will be totally dependent on the PLA for any cutting edge chips. Basically, all of the processing power of the US Military will be purchased from its’ main competition. Steve’s analogies to the 7 Years War (passing of the long-term World Economic Domination Torch from France to England) is very apropos here. This is truly an epochal event, with the U.S. unfortunately playing the part of pre-revolutionary France.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Dmon


    Yeah, Samsung has the only other 5nm foundry that I know of. That TSM fab in Arizona will probably be pulled off the table too, so even Intel will be totally dependent on the PLA for any cutting edge chips.
     
    I am sure TSM wants that Arizona fab to geographically diversify far away from China's sphere of influence. I think Fab will be built unless CCP exerts enough pressure not to
  287. Sailer doesn’t have an IQer view of life – that’s why he’s able to handle the truth about IQ distributions.

    Also disclaimers are superfluous.

  288. @gsjackson
    @Jonathan Mason

    The "legitimate issue between the states" is that the constitutionally obtained votes of Texas are negated by the unconstitutionally (i.e., illegally) obtained votes in the four defendant states. As the suit made clear, the U.S, Constitution spells out explicitly how state electors are to be chosen, so there's very much a constitutional issue to be resolved. How do you think it should be resolved if not by SCOTUS?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Desiderius

    The State Legislatures of those states, as the Constitution prescribes. If Texas doesn’t like it they should call a Constitutional Convention to amend it.

  289. @J1234
    Steve is correct, secession isn't going to happen. I agree with Frank Buckley (from Steve's Taki's article) that life is too comfortable for the slighted to secede. It's human nature. Fat people have a problem going and staying on a diet for a reason: crappy food tastes too good.

    It's bad that Biden will be president, but I sure hope he stays healthy for at least the next four years with Kamala waiting in the wings. It actually might be very entertaining to be on the sidelines witnessing a 25th amendment coup attempt with Biden as an unwilling deposed.

    Also, it's probably time for the populist right to replace Trump with a leader who'll be less of a personality cult (and more politically adept.) So there is a silver lining.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Steve is correct, secession isn’t going to happen. I agree with Frank Buckley (from Steve’s Taki’s article) that life is too comfortable for the slighted to secede.

    What the secessionists overlook is that for most people very little will change under a Biden presidency. There’s still be shiny consumer goods on the shelves. There’ll still be plenty of porn on the internet. There’ll still be comic-book movies. There’ll still be celebrity gossip. People who are doing well financially now will continue do well. People who are struggling now will still be struggling.

    White people are not going to be put into cattle trucks and shipped off to death camps.

    Freedom of speech will be more and more restricted but that’s already happening under Trump and most people don’t really care. It’s mostly only Boomers who worry about freedom of speech. More right-wing websites will be squeezed out of existence but most people are not going to care.

    And drugs will be more and more freely available. If you have enough to eat, and you have comic-book movies and porn and drugs, then really you have all you need.

    The Cultural Revolution will continue but that’s been happening anyway under Trump.

    Things are just not going to be bad enough for enough people to make them interested in giving up what they have to become resistance fighters which means risking everything and ending up in a cell in Guantanomo Bay. And things are just not going to be bad enough for enough people to make them interested in paying the huge costs and taking the immense risks that secession would entail.

    So the short version: very little will happen when Biden becomes president. And there won’t be any secession.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @dfordoom

    Gasoline, natural gas and electricity will be Made Expensive Again?

    All of the deregulating and red-tape cutting will be rolled back.

    All of those Help Wanted signs for manufacturing jobs on billboards along I-41/US-41 in Wisconsin's Fox Valley will come down?

  290. @Twodees Partain
    @Anon

    I agree that the claim of lack of standing is wrong. If a state has no standing in this case, then the very idea of standing is voided. Roberts habitually makes statements in his opinions that are so wrong as to be farcical. That only two other justices wrote dissents is somewhat telling, as well.

    The state of Texas obviously has standing to bring suit, regardless of whether the Chief Justice disagrees with the merits of the case. Decision on the merits should be addressed at trial. The Chief Justice apparently believes that his views on the merits of a case determines the issue of standing to bring a suit. He's wrong.

    That Trump's 3 "conservative" appointees couldn't even be bothered to enter dissenting opinions shows that they are, like most Trump appointees, useless for the supposed purposes behind their appointments.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Hibernian

    I can’t bring a taxpayer suit against any wasteful appropriation I disapprove of, saying I’m harmed as a taxpayer. Without some limits on standing the courts would be working 23 hours a day, 7 days a week, with 1 hour sleep per night.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Hibernian

    Correct. The truth is 95 percent of Americans, if not more, see politics as a sports match and the stakes are about the same. I may hate the New England Patriots but I won’t risk my life to stop Belichick from cheating because as much as I like to vent on a forum in real life it doesn’t matter. It is the same for most people with Trump and Biden.

  291. @Reg Cæsar
    @dfordoom


    ...there’s nothing leftist about neo-liberalism.
     
    There is nothing liberal about it. It shares with leftism the desire for absolute power, as we saw in the last election.

    The irony is that the Left still lost.
     
    That's like the false trope that the Democratic Party "changed". The only thing they ever changed was sides.

    The Left is barreling towards its goal all along: unquestioned and permanent power. Doesn't sound like much of a loss.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    That’s like the false trope that the Democratic Party “changed”. The only thing they ever changed was sides.

    The Left changed from being economically leftist to being economically rightist. You don’t think that’s a significant change?

    It would be like the Pope converting to Buddhism and people arguing that nothing has changed.

    …there’s nothing leftist about neo-liberalism.

    There is nothing liberal about it. It shares with leftism the desire for absolute power, as we saw in the last election.

    Actually it’s very liberal. Liberalism is a very nasty ideology. And leftism and liberalism are pretty much polar opposites.

    Of course political actors are motivated by the desire for power. But what they want to do with that power when they get it does matter.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @dfordoom


    The Left changed from being economically leftist to being economically rightist. You don’t think that’s a significant change?

     

    Cosmetic.

    And what is "economically rightist"? Theocratic? Monarchic? Corporativism? "Distributism"? Anarcho-capitalism? Sowell has it right: "rightist" is whatever stands in the way of the Left.

    Of course political actors are motivated by the desire for power.

     

    You are missing the distinction between everyday power and unanswered power. The so-called absolute monarchs had to share theirs with the church. The Left is both church and state.

    But what they want to do with that power when they get it does matter.

     

    Exactly. And "keep it forever" should not be an option.
  292. @Whiskey
    No Steve, try not to be stuck in the 1980s. Any sane, sober appreciation of the system points toward violent civil war and nothing else. Nothing else is literally possible.

    Biden's team stole the election. The stealing would not matter as much if it were Kennedy-Nixon, other than personalities and which gang of thieves steals more, and patronage, but here the stakes are much, much higher. Kennedy's people did not talk of putting Nixon's people in forced labor camps after public humiliation. They did not talk of seizing everything from White people to give to blacks. They did not talk of open borders and instant citizenship for any illegal with a third of the workforce now permanently unemployed and likely half after the next spate of lockdowns, nor packing the court, nor sending the last few jobs to China or Indian H1 B workers while instituting lockdowns that never ever end. With massive unemployment and nothing in the pipeline for good paying jobs. Oh and abolishing the police and opening prisons, but just for blacks. Who are now legally entitled to prey upon Whites for any reason at all.

    Worse, as illegitimate as he is, Biden was a public and known quantity who was Obama's VP. Kamasutra is an incompetent whore who could not even manage simple competence as AG. She won not a single primary, and is seen rightly as:

    A. A Whore pure and simple.
    B. Incompetent with the charm of a rattlesnake and the disposition of a black widow spider.
    C. Militantly anti-White in her aims and disposition.
    D. Illegitimate in that no one voted for her and she's the heir to the thief who stole the election.

    Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra's camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for "war crimes" related to blowing up various Iranian generals etc. And that a great mass of soldiers will be extradited to the International Criminal Court. That's competent meritocracy for you. Add in that there are series of new lockdowns in sight: the Kazakhstan plague whatever it is, more Beer Flu lockdowns, etc. and people are angry. Most Dem Governors just canceled Christmas. Meanwhile Kamasutra is proposing race-based health care rationing and lots of goodies for blacks, abolishing the police, and nothing for Whites. Or Latinos. Obviously Team Walking Dead is being elbowed aside for Team Whore of Babylon. Weekend at Biden's is over, its now rule by grating Diversity HR manager.

    Restrictions on evictions and mortgage payment holidays will end this month. For Christmas Queen Harris has ordinary people moved from their house to a tent under a bridge. What do they have to lose now?

    And states like Texas, and Florida, and all the others that joined in can simply ignore Queen Harris and her decrees, take Trump as the legitimate President, and refuse to accept any order or edict they don't like from Queen Harris. The pressure on them to do this will be irresistable by their voters and supporters, as will use of Federal Troops to remove Governors, Sheriffs, and other people and rule directly from DC. Remember oil, gas, retail that is not Amazon or Wal-Mart, agriculture, mining, and defense spending are all going to be made extinct by Queen Harris and her group. There are lot of people in boring non-Hollywood places making money that will be made poor forever by Queen Harris and the Silicon Valley oligarchs. She's promised the Green New Deal, abolishing the internal combustion engine, flying for ordinary people, vacations, pets, eating meat, and lockdowns that never end. Meanwhile Kamasutra is likely to render a whole bunch of military people to Iran or the ICC to reopen the Iran Money Laundering machine for her backers, and rely on said military to repress states and officials and run things directly. She will likely have to use Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, the NFAC people, Anti-Fa, and the like to run things and those clowns are guaranteed to spark off the hot phase of a civil war via guaranteed atrocities. Since much of the military is likely to do a sitzkreig response to her orders after extraditing various Generals and Admirals (who are all connected) as well as Special Forces groups. Harris is too stupid to understand that. She's a less competent black-adjacent Hillary without the charm.

    The Silicon Valley Oligarchs want the "Great Reset" and to use the media and Harris who is their tool to force the average American into drinking recycled sewage and eating bugs. Since your average person would happily commit genocide of every African on the planet to avoid a lifetime of eating bugs Civil War is inevitable. Particularly since Harris has zero legitimacy. None.

    Already in California of all places, the Orange County and LA County and Riverside County Sheriffs have said they will not enforce Gov. Newsom's orders. Not the curfew, not the ban on outdoor dining, or indoor dining, or limits on congregating, or church worship. None of it.

    Ask yourself: is Kamala Harris a person who is viewed as legitimate? As even half-way liked? As someone who can even remotely make people's lives better than they are now? And what of her backers? Are Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg people who inspire confidence? What about Susan Wojicki or Sundar Pinchai or that greasy Indian guy at Microsoft?

    Trump? He will die in prison like Jeffrey Epstein. Who did not kill himself. Along with his family. The Bidens will be pardoned by Harris. But while Harris can take office with insider moves, she can't move people from being in their own homes, celebrating Christmas, with their own cars and trucks to being homeless under a bridge eating bugs and not have a violent response.

    Meritocracy? That's boomer short bus talk. The US has not been a meritocracy since the first Bush Admin. Or arguably since the Civil Rights movement. The Lockheed Skunkworks did not employ empowered black women who screamed at White men all day and talked about their hair to create the SR-71. Almost all talented White, Asian males, and Latinos are locked out anything under crushing globalization and black black black black black blackety black black black.

    Replies: @Eric Novak, @Johnny Smoggins, @Old Prude, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Peter D. Bredon, @dfordoom, @Mike Tre

    Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra’s camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for “war crimes” related to blowing up various Iranian generals etc. And that a great mass of soldiers will be extradited to the International Criminal Court.

    I’m sorry but I don’t see a downside to any of that.

  293. Hate to be a downer but if they pull off this fraud, I have a better chance at hitting the Powerball jackpot than America ever haves of regaining its past glory. Unless a miracle happens, the fat lady has already sung for America. The world is watching, and EVERYONE knows that this election was a FRAUD, and if Biden swears in, the world will know that America is a HUGE JOKE.

    • Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race
    @Trinity


    The world is watching, and EVERYONE knows that this election was a FRAUD, and if Biden swears in, the world will know that America is a HUGE JOKE.
     
    Unbelievable to hear this said over and over, because so blatantly untrue. Why did all the important world leaders congratulate Biden on his victory except Putin (that I know of.)

    The world is always watching America. That's all it does. Bloggers living in China don't talk about China, Australians don't have any local news that interests anybody--and they know all minutiae of U.S. politics, and did so during the Dem primaries. I know who the President of China is, but not the one of Australia. Of of Austria for that matter. I know France and Britain, but can't right off remember Ireland, Italy or Greece (and those are even places I'm interested in.) All other countries are given short shrift. I can't think of a one that gets 5% the publicity the U.S. does.

    All the people screaming that it's FRAUD are just doing it because Trump says it, and you want Trump. That doesn't make it true (even if it is.) In fact, it is logical to assume that most do NOT think it is fraud.

    Of course, the extreme rightist blogs are insisting Trump *SEIZE POWER TOMORROW OR IT WILL BE TOO LATE*, so that would be an interesting diversion to wake up to.

    Replies: @Dube

  294. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Corvinus


    I would say he did study them, and he NOTICED that the evidence simply does not support Trump’s claim of massive, widespread voter fraud
     
    Jeez, you really know how to spout the narrative, don't you? But then again you trot out the New York Times and ABC News to support your arguments. THEY'RE objective and dispassionate, yessiree.

    "massive, widespread voter fraud." Nice. Does that mean you might concede that there is "limited, targeted voter fraud?' What adjectives would you be "comfortable" with? I bet you wouldn't say "none," but somehow I don't think you would go there.

    See, here's the problem. Yahoos like you spout these canned phrases, but no one taking your position, as far as I can tell, has come up with a "standard" of evidence that would satisfy.

    The facts -- and they are indeed facts -- marshalled by the other side are very very troubling.

    The numbers alone are squirrely. Sizable discrepancies between voter roles and votes. Sizable swaths of ballots that had only single votes. The lack of signature verification on "mail-in ballots." The timing of vote counting, particularly in Georgia, especially when the watchers were told to go home and that vote counting was done, and then, voila, they started counting again with no one to observe. Huge vote dumps that somehow late in the evening or early in the morning went 90 plus percent for Biden in Michigan and Wisconsin.

    And all these crazy results just HAPPENED to occur in Democrat areas well know for their corruption and cheating. I know. I live in one.

    And then there are the statistical anomalies. The sheer number of ballots cast versus what would be expected, even four years after the last election. The county by county analysis that would normally lead one to think that Trump won handily but somehow, someway, just a few counties in a few states tipped the scales with large numbers of pig in a python counts.

    The whole enterprise stinks, and anyone with half a brain would be desperately holding their nose.

    And then on top of that, as the Texas suit noted, we had secretaries of state blatantly violating the Electors clause of the Constitution by dramatically changing the rules of the game -- executive "authorities" who, oddly enough, were either rabid Democrats (Kathy Boockvar poses as a lawyer but is actually a Social Justice Warrior) or never Trumpers.

    Now the Supreme Court ruling -- hey can one blame them? Since if they actually ruled on the law they risked having their houses firebombed by AntiFa. And, gee, isn't it funny now that the riots have stopped? Oh, well, I guess we have no "widespread evidence of coordinated mostly peaceful demonstrations."

    We have now officially entered Banana Republic territory.

    And no New York Times stories, or canned phraseology spouted by the likes of you, will change that.

    Replies: @Dube, @Corvinus

    [No] “massive, widespread voter fraud.” Nice. Does that mean you might concede that there is “limited, targeted voter fraud?’

    “Limited, targeted voter fraud.” A necessary refinement in defining the issue. Thanks.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    @Dube

    93% peaceful

  295. People fighting in Georgia.

  296. @Hamlet's Ghost
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    The role of the Republican party is the same role assigned to the Washington Generals, the team that plays against the Harlem Globetrotters.

    They're not supposed to win, but just give a pretense of opposition while Meadowlark Lemon does his schtick, gets his laughs from the crowd, then does another slam dunk.

    Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich, @Neil Templeton

    Except in those days [as a kid] you went home to a home that was heated with natural gas and with parents who weren’t afraid of being called racist.

    • Agree: Inquiring Mind
  297. @YetAnotherAnon
    @gsjackson

    Corvinus' schtick is wasting people's time. He doesn't debate in good faith, so it's pointless trying (I tried until I caught on).

    The 'Troll' button is your friend here, that and 'Ignore'.

    Replies: @gsjackson

    Thanks. Actually I’ve gone a round with Corvy before, so I knew the M.O. and have no one but myself to blame for lost time. He jumped me through hoops for well over half an hour.

  298. @lavoisier
    @Lot

    Totally Disagree.

    We are about as far away today from a meritocracy as one can get. A better description would be a corruptocracy.

    The rich get richer, and the very rich get extraordinarily rich. The seamless connection between the very rich and the government is obvious.

    And what is meritocratic about vulture capitalists and hedge fund managers making billions of dollars? Wall Street bankers as the cream of the crop?? I would think the key behavioral characteristic for this line of work is not high intelligence but psychopathy.

    No, there is a deep sense of anger and unease across the land, and this is not because people resent hard working and intelligent people making a lot of money. Rather, it is a sense that the game is rigged, and that the elite making off like bandits in the new world order are not just bandits but highly sophisticated and immoral criminals.

    The elite may well stay in power given their control of the government and the media, but it is not because the vast majority of Americans admire them and consider them worthy of elite status.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @MBlanc46

    Well said, antoine!

  299. @dfordoom
    @Reg Cæsar


    That’s like the false trope that the Democratic Party “changed”. The only thing they ever changed was sides.
     
    The Left changed from being economically leftist to being economically rightist. You don't think that's a significant change?

    It would be like the Pope converting to Buddhism and people arguing that nothing has changed.


    …there’s nothing leftist about neo-liberalism.
     
    There is nothing liberal about it. It shares with leftism the desire for absolute power, as we saw in the last election.
     
    Actually it's very liberal. Liberalism is a very nasty ideology. And leftism and liberalism are pretty much polar opposites.

    Of course political actors are motivated by the desire for power. But what they want to do with that power when they get it does matter.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The Left changed from being economically leftist to being economically rightist. You don’t think that’s a significant change?

    Cosmetic.

    And what is “economically rightist”? Theocratic? Monarchic? Corporativism? “Distributism”? Anarcho-capitalism? Sowell has it right: “rightist” is whatever stands in the way of the Left.

    Of course political actors are motivated by the desire for power.

    You are missing the distinction between everyday power and unanswered power. The so-called absolute monarchs had to share theirs with the church. The Left is both church and state.

    But what they want to do with that power when they get it does matter.

    Exactly. And “keep it forever” should not be an option.

  300. @Supply and Demand
    @Clyde

    I'm most certainly not going to miss Trump. I've relocated to China, and he was interrupting a very good grift for us here.

    You guys are jealous you didn't escape the sinking ship in time.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous

    China may have seemed like a great bug-out place 10 years ago. You really fucked up picking that place to jump ship to, at this point in history. You absolutely deserve it.

  301. @dfordoom
    @J1234


    Steve is correct, secession isn’t going to happen. I agree with Frank Buckley (from Steve’s Taki’s article) that life is too comfortable for the slighted to secede.
     
    What the secessionists overlook is that for most people very little will change under a Biden presidency. There's still be shiny consumer goods on the shelves. There'll still be plenty of porn on the internet. There'll still be comic-book movies. There'll still be celebrity gossip. People who are doing well financially now will continue do well. People who are struggling now will still be struggling.

    White people are not going to be put into cattle trucks and shipped off to death camps.

    Freedom of speech will be more and more restricted but that's already happening under Trump and most people don't really care. It's mostly only Boomers who worry about freedom of speech. More right-wing websites will be squeezed out of existence but most people are not going to care.

    And drugs will be more and more freely available. If you have enough to eat, and you have comic-book movies and porn and drugs, then really you have all you need.

    The Cultural Revolution will continue but that's been happening anyway under Trump.

    Things are just not going to be bad enough for enough people to make them interested in giving up what they have to become resistance fighters which means risking everything and ending up in a cell in Guantanomo Bay. And things are just not going to be bad enough for enough people to make them interested in paying the huge costs and taking the immense risks that secession would entail.

    So the short version: very little will happen when Biden becomes president. And there won't be any secession.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    Gasoline, natural gas and electricity will be Made Expensive Again?

    All of the deregulating and red-tape cutting will be rolled back.

    All of those Help Wanted signs for manufacturing jobs on billboards along I-41/US-41 in Wisconsin’s Fox Valley will come down?

  302. • Replies: @danand
    @Mike Zwick

    "...a patch of Austin has been nicknamed "Silicon Hills" because of its cluster of tech companies in the metro Austin area."

    Mike Zwick, every week recently there’s been a local evening news announcement of yet another large silicon valley company pulling up stakes for Texas. HPE's departure was quickly followed by Musk's, and then Oracle's. I would guess now that the "damn has broke" the anti-gold rush may well start in earnest.

    If nothing else, relocation may be seen as a corporations fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders. A relatively easy way to increase the bottom line. High taxes, untold compliance/restrictions, along with the elevated/distorted wages make it hard to avoid making relocation necessary.

    Or perhaps this presidential election was just too close for their liking. Now that California is permanently “safe”, the time may have come to cement the blue in Texas. Wonder where they’ll head out to once Texas has been conquered?

  303. @Whiskey
    No Steve, try not to be stuck in the 1980s. Any sane, sober appreciation of the system points toward violent civil war and nothing else. Nothing else is literally possible.

    Biden's team stole the election. The stealing would not matter as much if it were Kennedy-Nixon, other than personalities and which gang of thieves steals more, and patronage, but here the stakes are much, much higher. Kennedy's people did not talk of putting Nixon's people in forced labor camps after public humiliation. They did not talk of seizing everything from White people to give to blacks. They did not talk of open borders and instant citizenship for any illegal with a third of the workforce now permanently unemployed and likely half after the next spate of lockdowns, nor packing the court, nor sending the last few jobs to China or Indian H1 B workers while instituting lockdowns that never ever end. With massive unemployment and nothing in the pipeline for good paying jobs. Oh and abolishing the police and opening prisons, but just for blacks. Who are now legally entitled to prey upon Whites for any reason at all.

    Worse, as illegitimate as he is, Biden was a public and known quantity who was Obama's VP. Kamasutra is an incompetent whore who could not even manage simple competence as AG. She won not a single primary, and is seen rightly as:

    A. A Whore pure and simple.
    B. Incompetent with the charm of a rattlesnake and the disposition of a black widow spider.
    C. Militantly anti-White in her aims and disposition.
    D. Illegitimate in that no one voted for her and she's the heir to the thief who stole the election.

    Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra's camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for "war crimes" related to blowing up various Iranian generals etc. And that a great mass of soldiers will be extradited to the International Criminal Court. That's competent meritocracy for you. Add in that there are series of new lockdowns in sight: the Kazakhstan plague whatever it is, more Beer Flu lockdowns, etc. and people are angry. Most Dem Governors just canceled Christmas. Meanwhile Kamasutra is proposing race-based health care rationing and lots of goodies for blacks, abolishing the police, and nothing for Whites. Or Latinos. Obviously Team Walking Dead is being elbowed aside for Team Whore of Babylon. Weekend at Biden's is over, its now rule by grating Diversity HR manager.

    Restrictions on evictions and mortgage payment holidays will end this month. For Christmas Queen Harris has ordinary people moved from their house to a tent under a bridge. What do they have to lose now?

    And states like Texas, and Florida, and all the others that joined in can simply ignore Queen Harris and her decrees, take Trump as the legitimate President, and refuse to accept any order or edict they don't like from Queen Harris. The pressure on them to do this will be irresistable by their voters and supporters, as will use of Federal Troops to remove Governors, Sheriffs, and other people and rule directly from DC. Remember oil, gas, retail that is not Amazon or Wal-Mart, agriculture, mining, and defense spending are all going to be made extinct by Queen Harris and her group. There are lot of people in boring non-Hollywood places making money that will be made poor forever by Queen Harris and the Silicon Valley oligarchs. She's promised the Green New Deal, abolishing the internal combustion engine, flying for ordinary people, vacations, pets, eating meat, and lockdowns that never end. Meanwhile Kamasutra is likely to render a whole bunch of military people to Iran or the ICC to reopen the Iran Money Laundering machine for her backers, and rely on said military to repress states and officials and run things directly. She will likely have to use Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, the NFAC people, Anti-Fa, and the like to run things and those clowns are guaranteed to spark off the hot phase of a civil war via guaranteed atrocities. Since much of the military is likely to do a sitzkreig response to her orders after extraditing various Generals and Admirals (who are all connected) as well as Special Forces groups. Harris is too stupid to understand that. She's a less competent black-adjacent Hillary without the charm.

    The Silicon Valley Oligarchs want the "Great Reset" and to use the media and Harris who is their tool to force the average American into drinking recycled sewage and eating bugs. Since your average person would happily commit genocide of every African on the planet to avoid a lifetime of eating bugs Civil War is inevitable. Particularly since Harris has zero legitimacy. None.

    Already in California of all places, the Orange County and LA County and Riverside County Sheriffs have said they will not enforce Gov. Newsom's orders. Not the curfew, not the ban on outdoor dining, or indoor dining, or limits on congregating, or church worship. None of it.

    Ask yourself: is Kamala Harris a person who is viewed as legitimate? As even half-way liked? As someone who can even remotely make people's lives better than they are now? And what of her backers? Are Jack Dorsey or Mark Zuckerberg people who inspire confidence? What about Susan Wojicki or Sundar Pinchai or that greasy Indian guy at Microsoft?

    Trump? He will die in prison like Jeffrey Epstein. Who did not kill himself. Along with his family. The Bidens will be pardoned by Harris. But while Harris can take office with insider moves, she can't move people from being in their own homes, celebrating Christmas, with their own cars and trucks to being homeless under a bridge eating bugs and not have a violent response.

    Meritocracy? That's boomer short bus talk. The US has not been a meritocracy since the first Bush Admin. Or arguably since the Civil Rights movement. The Lockheed Skunkworks did not employ empowered black women who screamed at White men all day and talked about their hair to create the SR-71. Almost all talented White, Asian males, and Latinos are locked out anything under crushing globalization and black black black black black blackety black black black.

    Replies: @Eric Novak, @Johnny Smoggins, @Old Prude, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Peter D. Bredon, @dfordoom, @Mike Tre

    One of the funniest rants I’ve ever read, thanks.

  304. @anon
    Done with this idiot boomer blog. Lots of wasted time on here.

    The one message from 2020 is that political violence works.

    Have fun discussing baseball stats while others are fighting and dying for our culture.

    Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @James Braxton, @TWS, @Anonymous, @ben tillman

    Done with this idiot boomer blog. Lots of wasted time on here.

    The one message from 2020 is that political violence works.

    Have fun discussing baseball stats while others are fighting and dying for our culture.

    Dying for our “culture”? That’s as “boomer” as it gets. I’m going to be dying for my PEOPLE.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @ben tillman


    Dying for our “culture”? That’s as “boomer” as it gets. I’m going to be dying for my PEOPLE.
     
    Most of your people don't give a damn for you and don't give a damn if you live or die. You're living in a fantasy world.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  305. @ben tillman
    @anon


    Done with this idiot boomer blog. Lots of wasted time on here.

    The one message from 2020 is that political violence works.

    Have fun discussing baseball stats while others are fighting and dying for our culture.
     

    Dying for our "culture"? That's as "boomer" as it gets. I'm going to be dying for my PEOPLE.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Dying for our “culture”? That’s as “boomer” as it gets. I’m going to be dying for my PEOPLE.

    Most of your people don’t give a damn for you and don’t give a damn if you live or die. You’re living in a fantasy world.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @dfordoom


    Most of your people don’t give a damn for you and don’t give a damn if you live or die. You’re living in a fantasy world.
     
    I'm *living* and my people are living, and I intend to keep it that way.

    Now go fuck yourself.

  306. @James Braxton
    @anon

    Steve is 4-P like Alvy Singer, in the event of civil war he is a hostage.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    So many great lines from that movie.

    I hadn’t thought of that one in a while.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @ben tillman

    "Lyndon Johnson is a politician. You know the ethics those guys have? It's like a notch underneath child molester."

    "Then everybody's in on the conspiracy? The FBI, the CIA, J. Edgar Hoover, and oil companies and the Pentagon and the men's room attendant at the White House?"

    "I would leave out the men's room attendant."

  307. Love Steve, but for the last few months when I read his post I can’t help but think of this:

  308. @anon
    I think the Supreme Court ruling is just a useful reminder to folks here that you can no longer be on autopilot and depend on others to carry your interests forward for you.

    Witness what that complacency has wrought: we have people here hoping for the escape of death before the piper calls. And from what? A historical period that is really an aberration: probably the quietest and most stable period of human history, and one that has allowed all sorts of nonsense to flourish.

    I don't blame those wistful for peace and quiet. I certainly don't blame old men wanting to think about golf and baseball after a lifetime of b.s. in corporate. I'm glad we have things like that still around, and it sucks covid took that from people this year. But life is chance, and covid is just the reminder of that eternal truth.

    For the people that believe they have more years ahead than behind..I will tell you this: fix your spiritual bayonet for the years ahead and charge. You are an American in 1850 and you will live to shape and perhaps see the next era of this country and more importantly: the future circumstances of your progeny.

    Blogs like this will no longer prepare you for your future. These are books that are closing. Feel free to continue reading them like I do; there is valuable background. But life is writing itself ahead.

    Keep your eyes forward and up.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @ben tillman, @Known Fact

    Good comment. Inspiring, in fact.

  309. @dfordoom
    @ben tillman


    Dying for our “culture”? That’s as “boomer” as it gets. I’m going to be dying for my PEOPLE.
     
    Most of your people don't give a damn for you and don't give a damn if you live or die. You're living in a fantasy world.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Most of your people don’t give a damn for you and don’t give a damn if you live or die. You’re living in a fantasy world.

    I’m *living* and my people are living, and I intend to keep it that way.

    Now go fuck yourself.

  310. @Rigoberto Nunez
    There needs to be a truth and reconciliation commission so that we can come to terms with the white supremacy and misogyny that has dominated the USA the last 4 years (and frankly since the inception).

    This will necessitate a commitment to anti racism and equity.

    This will require sweeping changes to the way we govern, the way we teach our children, the way society is structured and what it means to be American.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Robert Dolan, @Hibernian, @Eric Novak, @Gary in Gramercy, @MB

    Not to pile on, but if you don’t like a country that is predominantly European in ethnic/racial makeup, you are free to move to Nigeria, Pakistan or China for starters.

    Hey wait a minute. How come we got so many immigrants from the same countries? Could it be that the systemic racism patriarchy white supremacy blah blah blah not withstanding they got a better life here?

    Nah, they all must be coming over here at gunpoint.

  311. @Dave from Oz
    Trump was in the wrong. It is well-established that a state legislature's right to choose its electoral college members is supreme. If a state legislature chooses to accept a flagrantly fraudulent election result, it has a right to do so. If a state legislature decides "fuck the election, we are just going to pick some people", it has the right to do so.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @MB

    Way to follow an argument, friend.
    The PA judges and governor overrode the legislature’s rules for voting.
    Yeah, the legislature can pick its own electors and they can vote any way they want technically, but I don’t think you want to go there, because that’s what electors can do constitutionally.

  312. @Peter D. Bredon
    @ben tillman

    "Funny how neither you nor anyone else posted any links to any numbers or anomalies on this blog over the last five weeks."

    So, therefore they don't exist. Because his job and mine is to compile links you are too lazy to find yourself, since no one has ever mentioned this topic anywhere but here.

    Kinda like the MSM tactic of switching the discussion from the subject matter (Podesta emails, Biden laptop) to the messenger (leaks, Russians, etc.)

    Classic Hasbara. Mazel tov, comrade!

    Replies: @ben tillman

    That last line marks you as the stupidest commenter ever to comment here. The second sentence of the second paragraph is profoundly stupid as well. Have you ever been to this blog before?

    • Agree: Lurker, keypusher
  313. @Lot
    “ For those talking about secession”

    The USA is highly stable because it’s a great setup for the powerful, wealthy, intelligent, and resourceful.

    The Russian, American, Puritan, and French revolutionaries were all better in their human capital than the hereditary governments they deposed. The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @JimB, @Redman, @SimpleSong, @fnn, @Desiderius, @RSDB, @BB753, @lavoisier, @bomag, @S. Anonyia, @ben tillman, @ThreeCranes, @Lurker

    The USA is close enough to a meritocracy that meritorious people won’t risk their lives and status to overthrow it.

    Until it isn’t – a process that will be hastened by the black/brown/woke and their overlords.

  314. @Keypusher
    @Supply and Demand

    It was sadder than ever. What a pathetic thread.

    Hey, Trumpists, your guy LOST THE ELECTION. And then ran the sorriest legal campaign I’ve ever seen. Of course, it’s hard to write good briefs when you have no case.

    That 0-9 Supreme Court vote (Alito and Thomas would have ruled against Texas on the merits, so don’t kid yourselves that you got two votes) was just Trump running into reality. Something you all are going to have to get back in touch with. Don’t blame Roberts’ adopted children. That’s just more cope.

    This was an unexpectedly good election for Republicans. Even Trump outperformed his polls. It is something to build on, not something to cry over. The first step is holding those two Senate seats in Georgia. Not throwing them away in a temper tantrum. If you have money to give, give it to Perdue and Loeffler. Not some blogger who feeds your delusions.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Stoolpusher speaks.

    • Replies: @keypusher
    @Lurker

    Congratulations, that puts you in the top tier of posters in this thread. Sad!

  315. @Trinity
    Is there anyone in America that truly believes that Biden won this election? I mean, really and truly believes Biden won LEGITIMATELY?

    I guess the powers that be have lied to America about so much over the years that they decided to not even try and make this at least seem believable. They truly feel that why even bother making the lie at least seem somewhat believable.

    Hey America, remember this line from another guy that quite possibly stole the election in 2000, "They hate our freedoms." smdh. Speaking of lies, how about the official 9-11 narrative. Anyhow, you have the freedom to vote or just pretend like your vote matters for now, how long before they decide that you don't need to vote anymore and just bend over and take one for the team. At least for a century you have been fed one lie after another, America, I guess this last one was an in your face slam dunk, like it or lump it. America, land of the free and home of the brave. Yeah right.

    What a "Huuuge" disappointment the Trumper's Supreme Court picks turned out to be. Totally inept, useless, good for nothings as usual. I bet Trump really feels betrayed sticking his neck out for those creeps. And Trump campaigned for the worthless Governor of Georgia as well. That scared little twit has went into hiding.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    You live in a bubble. Trump is the most unpopular President in American history, he has never had a favorability rating over 50 peecent his entire term. Out my college graduating class of 1200 people maybe 10 percent voted for him. My New Hampshire high school traditionally was very Republican but all the women I am still in touch with loathe Trump, and these are women who have voted Republican for 30 years. The men from my class who are outspoken Trump supporters were certainly not the brightest kids.

    The real question in my mind is how did Trump get 74 million votes. That’s where the fraud probably is. Outside the hardcore fanbase who goes to rallies and bitter middle aged failures I never meet Trump supporters in real life.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Peter Akuleyev


    Out my college graduating class of 1200 people maybe 10 percent voted for him.
     
    Lol who lives in a bubble?

    You satirize yourself.
    , @James Braxton
    @Peter Akuleyev

    You must not get out much.

    , @Authenticjazzman
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "Trump supporters were certainly not the brightest kids"

    Myself Mensa qualified with testing results in the 150-160 range, and a creative artist ( jazz performer) am a fervent DT supporter, so your cliche' of stupid DT trump supporters has a hole in it.

    " Out of my college graduating class of 1200 people maybe 10 percent voted for him"

    Not hard to explain seeing as the leftist Frankfurter Schule has done a perfect job of subverting the US edumacation system.

    You best understand that we are enemies and you leftist lunatics will no longer get away with the underhandedness which we have tolerated for the last six decades.

    You lefttist scumbags will lose this war, which you started.

    AJM

    , @Trinity
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Nope, you are the one that lives in a bubble called New Hampshire. ROTFLMMFWAO.

    Dude, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, and even that most asshat of all states Massachusetts and the tiniest state of all Rhode Island, all collectively known as Shitsville, New England, ( is Connecticut a New England state?) is about as out of touch with the rest of the nation as it can be. NH, Vermont and Maine all together have how many people living among the maple trees? I am glad that the government has been importing some Black and Brown diversity to these whiter than snow two face states that always identify as "liberal." I hear tell you people in that neck of the woods are almost entirely White, yet with your pompous New England snobbery want to tell everyone else how we should stop being so racist to the "colored folk" down South. LMAO.

    I am not a HUGE Trump supporter as I keep mentioning but did you see how many people attended Trump's rallies in places like Penn., Michigan, Georgia, Wisconsin, Florida, etc., etc.? Just because people in your neck of the woods, or at least the few people you spoke to at "collage" didn't like Trump doesn't mean squat. I mean isn't Vermont the most least populated state next to Wyoming? And the only state in that whole region with any significant amount of people living there is everyone's favorite state to rag one, Massholechusets.

    Whatever your opinion of Trump and mine is he kissed up to Israel and Jews too much, kissed too much Black ass and took his White base for granted, he was the most popular President in my lifetime. You have obviously let you tremendous IQ and "collage" edjumucation let you overthink what your eyes saw and watched too much CNN or lived in woods of New Hampshire too long. Trump is the one who probably received 80 million total votes and Biden more than likely received 45-50 million votes, tops. You can bet you New England ass that Trump took this election in a landslide.

    The demsheviks stole the election from Mittens Romney in 2012, the repukes stole the election from Gore in 200 and the demsheviks stole the election from Nixon in 1960. And I wouldn't be surprised that their was something shady going on when Huey Long was assassinated and George Wallace was shot. Both were major threats to win the presidency from the incumbents FDR and Nixon at the time.

    Not only did Trump beat Pathetic Joe, he beat him in a landslide and everyone smarter than a second grader knows it. America is being mocked and the whole world is looking at the most inept President-Elect and Vice President-Elect in the history of this nation. My gawd, Joe makes George McGovern look great.

    , @AP
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Bubbles vary. 100% of the Eastern European immigrants I know in the Northeast (people with backgrounds that do not necessarily imply getting along, such as ethnic Russians who support Putin, anti-Putin Jews from the USSR, Ukrainians, a Pole) voted for Trump. A Turkish classmate voted for Trump because Trump hasn’t been bombing Muslims and has kept out refugees, which have been troublesome for Turkey. Majority of these people are highly educated people with graduate degrees (MDs, PhDs). One had voted for Clinton in the previous election. Almost all of my family from the Midwest voted for Trump, only exception was a “black sheep” liberal aunt. Among my non-immigrant colleagues in the Northeast most voted for Clinton, but not all.

    I don’t know anyone who switched from Trump to Biden but know a handful of people who changed from Clinton to Trump. So based on the people I know I am mildly surprised that Trump lost.

  316. Anonymous[598] • Disclaimer says:
    @Supply and Demand
    @Clyde

    I'm most certainly not going to miss Trump. I've relocated to China, and he was interrupting a very good grift for us here.

    You guys are jealous you didn't escape the sinking ship in time.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Anonymous

    I wonder what the supply and demand for foreign body parts is in China.

    I’ve read that foreigners can get various organs moist and fresh and at a very good price with no waiting time like they have at home.

    I’d guess that there is still an oversupply of Uighur and falun gong and Hong Kong university student parts, but if there is a demand for what you’ve got, i’d bet the ccp knows exactly where the supply is.

    Watch your back!

  317. @Reg Cæsar
    @Abolish_public_education


    The practice of awarding a state’s electors to the political party of the figurehead, popular vote winner is just ridiculous.

     

    Pennsylvania is the only state that requires the candidate himself to appoint his electors. Some delegate the job anyway-- James Michener said his local chairman chose him; Hubert Humphrey had nothing to do with it. At the other extreme, one of Bill Clinton's childhood buddies now living in Pennsylvania served as his elector there.

    Biden grew up in the Commonwealth, and Trump got his degree there. It would be most interesting to inspect their elector slates for personal connections.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Pennsylvania is the only state that requires the candidate himself to appoint his electors.

    How can that not be required everywhere? Why would a candidate not insist on doing so?

  318. @Hibernian
    @Twodees Partain

    I can't bring a taxpayer suit against any wasteful appropriation I disapprove of, saying I'm harmed as a taxpayer. Without some limits on standing the courts would be working 23 hours a day, 7 days a week, with 1 hour sleep per night.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Correct. The truth is 95 percent of Americans, if not more, see politics as a sports match and the stakes are about the same. I may hate the New England Patriots but I won’t risk my life to stop Belichick from cheating because as much as I like to vent on a forum in real life it doesn’t matter. It is the same for most people with Trump and Biden.

  319. @ben tillman
    @James Braxton

    So many great lines from that movie.

    I hadn't thought of that one in a while.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    “Lyndon Johnson is a politician. You know the ethics those guys have? It’s like a notch underneath child molester.”

    “Then everybody’s in on the conspiracy? The FBI, the CIA, J. Edgar Hoover, and oil companies and the Pentagon and the men’s room attendant at the White House?”

    “I would leave out the men’s room attendant.”

  320. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Trinity

    You live in a bubble. Trump is the most unpopular President in American history, he has never had a favorability rating over 50 peecent his entire term. Out my college graduating class of 1200 people maybe 10 percent voted for him. My New Hampshire high school traditionally was very Republican but all the women I am still in touch with loathe Trump, and these are women who have voted Republican for 30 years. The men from my class who are outspoken Trump supporters were certainly not the brightest kids.

    The real question in my mind is how did Trump get 74 million votes. That’s where the fraud probably is. Outside the hardcore fanbase who goes to rallies and bitter middle aged failures I never meet Trump supporters in real life.

    Replies: @Moses, @James Braxton, @Authenticjazzman, @Trinity, @AP

    Out my college graduating class of 1200 people maybe 10 percent voted for him.

    Lol who lives in a bubble?

    You satirize yourself.

  321. @Mike Zwick
    Silicon Valley seems to be moving to Texas: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/tech/oracle-headquarters-austin-texas-california/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_content=2020-12-12T04%3A01%3A00&utm_term=link&utm_source=fbCNN&fbclid=IwAR3kZ-NyP2G9bnjvUgX-8L0BiUWKecjCZ_0XL94nCmnKb7u5q3trT3paTUo

    Replies: @danand

    “…a patch of Austin has been nicknamed “Silicon Hills” because of its cluster of tech companies in the metro Austin area.”

    Mike Zwick, every week recently there’s been a local evening news announcement of yet another large silicon valley company pulling up stakes for Texas. HPE’s departure was quickly followed by Musk’s, and then Oracle’s. I would guess now that the “damn has broke” the anti-gold rush may well start in earnest.

    If nothing else, relocation may be seen as a corporations fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders. A relatively easy way to increase the bottom line. High taxes, untold compliance/restrictions, along with the elevated/distorted wages make it hard to avoid making relocation necessary.

    Or perhaps this presidential election was just too close for their liking. Now that California is permanently “safe”, the time may have come to cement the blue in Texas. Wonder where they’ll head out to once Texas has been conquered?

  322. @Dutch Boy
    There's always General Flynn's plan as a backup. I notice the SC rejected the case on procedural grounds (lack of standing) rather than the legal merits. Obviously there were illegal maneuvers to facilitate vote fraud. Who might have had standing to challenge them post vote?

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @I, Libertine, @Eagle Eye

    Who might have had standing to challenge them post vote?

    WE HAVE NO INDEPENDENT JUDICIARY at this level. Never did.

  323. @Lurker
    @Keypusher

    Stoolpusher speaks.

    Replies: @keypusher

    Congratulations, that puts you in the top tier of posters in this thread. Sad!

  324. @Genrick Yagoda
    @Keypusher

    Over a lack of standing, not on the merits. And it was 7-2 on that issue.

    How does that make the case "ludicrous"? Do you think all of the 19 AG's who joined their states are stupid?

    Replies: @keypusher

    Over a lack of standing, not on the merits. And it was 7-2 on that issue.

    The two who dissented on standing would have thrown the case out on the merits. And the seven who found no standing would have done the same. Do you really think Supreme Court justices who actually believed the election had been stolen would have found that Texas had no standing? Standing was just an easy way to get rid of this idiotic case.

    Do you think all of the 19 AG’s who joined their states are stupid?

    No, I think they’re shameless opportunists.

  325. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous

    Choice c) would be to gracefully accept his defeat in the election, wish his successor well and facilitate a smooth transition, and leave the country together with the rest of his family and go and live in Brazil or some other country that has no extradition treaty with the US, quietly in private life, stay off Twitter, watch TV, play golf, and write his memoirs.

    Choice (d) would be to play the Pinochet card and claim that he suffers from senile dementia and is no longer capable of understanding any legal charges against him, which would probably be perfectly true.

    Choice (e) would be the same as choice d) except that he would negotiate a non-prosecution agreement, and settle up any taxes that he owes.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    John, for your own sake don’t try to be a deal maker with the Left, or any part of it. If you were lucky you’d only get skinned.

    Each one of the courses of action you gave amounts to an agreement with the Left to not prosecute later if Trump does something now. The Left is not capable of agreements over time.

    Here is how it works: The Left is organizationally divided into many groups. Each group is constantly looking for something to distinguish itself, some cause that will divert attention and money to it. No group considers itself bound by promises made by another group. If Trump does such and such, to the approval of every existing Left group, then at least one, probably several, future Left group will use prosecution of Trump and his family, staff, and supporters as a means of gaining money and attention.

    And Trump would not have the approval of every Left group. See: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/unhinged-dem-rep-urges-pelosi-block-126-republicans-congress-supporting-insurrection-for for an example.

    Pinochet tried something like your choice (c). He left when requested, was awarded a permanent government position and immunity from prosecution, and was arrested during a trip to Europe by a foreign organization – Left organization – that considered him guilty when Chile did not. (d) and (e) would have the same effect.

    Trump surely knows this, and so do his dependents, his staff, and his supporters.

  326. @dfordoom
    @PhysicistDave


    No, the “long march through the institutions” worked for the Left
     
    The irony is that the Left still lost. Capitalism still reigns supreme and any opposition to capitalism has been very effectively suppressed. It's the neo-liberals who now have total control, and there's nothing leftist about neo-liberalism. Leftism is much less significant as a political force today than it was before the Long March Through the Institutions.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @PhysicistDave

    dfordoom wrote to me:

    The irony is that the Left still lost. Capitalism still reigns supreme and any opposition to capitalism has been very effectively suppressed.

    Well, it depends on what you mean by “capitalism,” doesn’t it?

    “Crony capitalism” has certainly won: vide the likely next First Family.

    Actual free-market capitalism? Not so much.

    The WTO, NAFTA, etc. are not really “free trade,” for example: they are “managed trade,” managed in the interests of various powerful interest groups and corporations.

    And the whole hiring and training system for labor in the US (and the West in general) has been dramatically distorted from what would prevail in a free market society by Griggs v. Duke Power, by government subsidies to Higher Ed, by Affirmative Action, and by a host of other constraints.

    Yeah, what I call “righteous Leftists” — the people who really wanted to improve the lives of the working class, like Glenn Greenwald or the late Dave Graeber or the late Stephen F. Cohen — have certainly lost: “crony capitalism” was what they were fighting.

    But I am doubtful that any significant fraction of Leftist intellectuals or politicians were ever “righteous Leftists.” I strongly suspect that most of them were always sociopaths who hated most of their fellow human beings and, in revenge, wanted power over them, really nasty power. As Orwell put it:

    If you want a picture of the [Leftist] future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @PhysicistDave


    As Orwell put it:

    If you want a picture of the [Leftist] future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever.
     
    Orwell was a leftist. He was so far to the left that he was for all practical purposes a communist.

    Orwell was not warning against the dangers of leftism. He was warning against the dangers of totalitarianism. And we're heading towards totalitarianism right now, but it's not going to be leftist totalitarianism. The future is more likely to be described thus: imagine a corporate boot stamping on a human face - forever.

    Well, it depends on what you mean by “capitalism,” doesn’t it?

    “Crony capitalism” has certainly won: vide the likely next First Family.

    Actual free-market capitalism? Not so much.
     
    Crony capitalism is the kind of capitalism that exists in the real world. Actual free-market capitalism is the kind of capitalism that exists in the dream-world of libertarians.
  327. @Anonymous
    Trump has the same choices he has always had:
    a) Win
    b) Be destroyed along with his family, staff, and supporters.

    At this point, President Trump is down to:
    a1) Invoke the Insurrection Act, then call for a Constitutional Convention.
    b1) Be destroyed along with his family, staff, and supporters.

    I'd imagine that both look about equally undesirable to Pres. Trump.

    Note that (a1) is legal and probably feasible. As I understand things, the count of States that have a standing call for a Constitutional Convention is just 3 States short of the number required to invoke a Constitutional Convention.

    Texas Republicans have issued the following Tweet:

    “Perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a Union of states that will abide by the constitution.” pic.twitter.com/4bB3gk88t4
    — Adam Kelsey (@adamkelsey) December 12, 2020

    and presumably would support Trump's move (a').

    The overall US situation remains unchanged. Western cities are visibly dying, and cannot be revived. Urban populations are unable to work productively in an industrialized society and are consuming so much that that Western capital base is inadequately supported and is eroding in both labor quality and equipment. This is the same situation that destroyed the USSR by 1990. It is also the situation that drives the attempt by Western urban areas to impose absolute government that would enforce increased flow of funds to immediate construction by non-productive urban populations.

    See: https://www.theepochtimes.com/former-special-forces-officer-warns-of-color-revolution-tactics-used-against-trump_3612952.html for a professional view of the election. I can vouch for the SF officer's statements about the 2020 Federal Elections being right out of 1960-1970 conventional counterinsurgency doctrine.

    Note that erosion of US and Western productivity, which precluded productive response to the COVID-19 infection, is projected to starve some quarter billion people in 2021 (UN figures).


    As for my advice -- same as that supposedly given to Alexander the Great by one of his father's generals while the two were immersed in a flood of Greek refugees: "This is defeat. Avoid it."

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @colm, @PhysicistDave

    Anonymous[290] wrote:

    The overall US situation remains unchanged. Western cities are visibly dying, and cannot be revived. Urban populations are unable to work productively in an industrialized society and are consuming so much that that Western capital base is inadequately supported and is eroding in both labor quality and equipment. This is the same situation that destroyed the USSR by 1990.

    Yeah, the West comes up with ideas, so-called “Intellectual Property”and then implements those ideas in other countries.

    And tries to bully other countries into not just using the ideas for themselves. Which never works over the long run.

    “Our wealth is based on ‘Intellectual Property’” is another way of saying that we are dying.

    And then there is the little matter that our whole monetary and financial system is based on the illusion that the entire world will continue using the dollar as the “international reserve currency” forever. ‘Cause suckers never, ever realize they are being conned.

    Oh, we are indeed doomed unless we make a radical change of direction.

    Anonymous[290] also wrote:

    At this point, President Trump is down to:
    a1) Invoke the Insurrection Act, then call for a Constitutional Convention.

    He won’t do it. That is not who he is, not how he has lived his life. He has thrived by figuring out how to work the angles within the existing system.

    The Donald lacks the imagination to think outside the box.

    No, the one thing Trump has accomplished is that a substantial number of US citizens now, for the first time, are able to articulate the fact that the people who run this country hate most of their fellow citizens.

    That clarity is good. I wish I believed it would be enough.

  328. @AnotherDad
    @PhysicistDave

    Depressing prediction if we're trotting out the mediocre, elderly Trump yet again.

    If nationalists can't find a competent charismatic nationalist somewhere ... we're doomed. The charismatic (if you can even call Trump that) without the competent is a one legged stool. Let's at least try two legs.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @PhysicistDave, @dfordoom

    AnotherDad swrote to me:

    Depressing prediction if we’re trotting out the mediocre, elderly Trump yet again.

    If nationalists can’t find a competent charismatic nationalist somewhere … we’re doomed.

    Well, I voted against Trump in the 2016 primary, and I think he was a mediocre President. I’m more of a Ron-Paul guy than a Trumpian.

    But Trump did accomplish one thing: he rallied the ordinary Americans who thought they had no choice but to tolerate the hatred, corruption, and contempt of the ruling elite, the parasitic verbalist overclass.

    Who else can rally the productive class in American society? I’m happy to vote for Kristi Noem or Josh Hawley or Ron DeSantis if they can get the nomination and show they can rally the people.

    So who is it who can rally the productive class among the American people besides Trump?

  329. @PhysicistDave
    @dfordoom

    dfordoom wrote to me:


    The irony is that the Left still lost. Capitalism still reigns supreme and any opposition to capitalism has been very effectively suppressed.
     
    Well, it depends on what you mean by "capitalism," doesn't it?

    "Crony capitalism" has certainly won: vide the likely next First Family.

    Actual free-market capitalism? Not so much.

    The WTO, NAFTA, etc. are not really "free trade," for example: they are "managed trade," managed in the interests of various powerful interest groups and corporations.

    And the whole hiring and training system for labor in the US (and the West in general) has been dramatically distorted from what would prevail in a free market society by Griggs v. Duke Power, by government subsidies to Higher Ed, by Affirmative Action, and by a host of other constraints.

    Yeah, what I call "righteous Leftists" -- the people who really wanted to improve the lives of the working class, like Glenn Greenwald or the late Dave Graeber or the late Stephen F. Cohen -- have certainly lost: "crony capitalism" was what they were fighting.

    But I am doubtful that any significant fraction of Leftist intellectuals or politicians were ever "righteous Leftists." I strongly suspect that most of them were always sociopaths who hated most of their fellow human beings and, in revenge, wanted power over them, really nasty power. As Orwell put it:

    If you want a picture of the [Leftist] future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever.
     

    Replies: @dfordoom

    As Orwell put it:

    If you want a picture of the [Leftist] future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever.

    Orwell was a leftist. He was so far to the left that he was for all practical purposes a communist.

    Orwell was not warning against the dangers of leftism. He was warning against the dangers of totalitarianism. And we’re heading towards totalitarianism right now, but it’s not going to be leftist totalitarianism. The future is more likely to be described thus: imagine a corporate boot stamping on a human face – forever.

    Well, it depends on what you mean by “capitalism,” doesn’t it?

    “Crony capitalism” has certainly won: vide the likely next First Family.

    Actual free-market capitalism? Not so much.

    Crony capitalism is the kind of capitalism that exists in the real world. Actual free-market capitalism is the kind of capitalism that exists in the dream-world of libertarians.

  330. @dfordoom
    @utu


    No, I did not mean that democracy is unworkable. It can be better or worse. What I meant by the myth of democracy was the myth of pristine democracy.
     
    But what if it is unworkable? What if democracy is a system with such huge inherent flaws that it will always become corrupted? Look around the West. Do you see anything that would lead you to believe that democracy actually works? Are you inspired by Macron, or Merkel, or Boris Johnson? Because if you have democracy you end up with people like Macron, Merkel, Boris Johnson, Joe Biden.

    The West started to go down the toilet when it started to become democratic.

    Democracy is like prostitution. You can have a stable regulated system of prostitution but it's still prostitution. A whore is still a whore. Politicians in a democracy will always be whores. And democracy turns the people into whores as well.

    You can tinker with the system as much as you like but all you'll end up with is a shinier model of political prostitution and pretty soon the shine will wear off and it will be just as sleazy as it ever was.

    Democracy appeared to work because it was introduced at a time when rapid scientific and technological progress was transforming life in the West, and (on the whole) transforming it for the better. But things were not improving because of democracy, but rather in spite of democracy. Democracy got a lot of the credit for the improvements but that credit was not deserved.

    Replies: @utu, @Thoughts

    Muammar Gaddafi in his Green Book believed in the direct democracy only like the town hall meetings in Vermont. No place for politicians as intermediaries.

    But you are right it is possible that at some point the level of corruption is so high that the pipes of democracy get plugged completely and the only way to get it back on track seems to be by calling Mr. Roto-Rooter. But the risk that Mr. Roto-Rooter won’t leave after doing his job is very high. There was only one Cincinnatus.

    There is a problem of scale. Gaddafi would agree that in smaller countries participatory democracy can work better. And then even better when the small country is a confederacy like Switzerland where the central government is weak and collects much lower amount of revenue than the sum of all cantons. Though this may lead to local corruptions on canton level and putting up with quirkiness of local traditions like denying women vote in Appenzell or virtual servitude by children of poor families in villages still happening in 1950s.

    Your Australia having only 24 mil population and being split into provinces with some autonomy has a much higher chance for reforming itself than 13 times larger US. So perhaps you should concentrate on Australia. Do what is possible. And I do not think that inviting the CCP to rule over Australia is a good idea. Hate America less and love your own country more.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @utu


    Muammar Gaddafi in his Green Book believed in the direct democracy only like the town hall meetings in Vermont. No place for politicians as intermediaries.
     
    Vox Day believes that as well, which leads me to think that it must be crazy.

    Seriously though the problem with direct democracy is that most people won't bother voting on every single issue that comes up so power will end up being concentrated in the hands of a very small highly motivated activist minority who will make sure they vote on every issue no matter how apparently trivial.

    There's also the problem that most people don't have a clue how the real world works and have zero understanding of even simple issues, much less complex issues. So it would be like turning the running of a poultry farm over to the chickens.

    It's an idea that would have been workable in the 18th century but it cannot work in complex modern societies.

    Your Australia having only 24 mil population and being split into provinces with some autonomy has a much higher chance for reforming itself than 13 times larger US.
     
    Maybe. But the major parties in Australia are actively working to make our electoral system worse rather than better. Their objective is to give themselves a complete monopoly on political power by undermining our (excellent) preferential voting system.

    There's still the basic problem with any form of democracy that it requires citizens capable of understanding and thinking. Where the hell are we (or any other country) going to find such citizens? We wouldn't need to replace our population with people from other countries. We'd need to replace our population with a whole new species.

    As Churchill said, the best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

    So the alternative to democracy that are most likely to happen are still a one-party state or a military dictatorship. And you're correct of course - it's unlikely that a one-party state or a military dictatorship would ever voluntarily relinquish power.

    Monarchy remains the least worst system.
  331. @AnotherDad
    @PhysicistDave

    Depressing prediction if we're trotting out the mediocre, elderly Trump yet again.

    If nationalists can't find a competent charismatic nationalist somewhere ... we're doomed. The charismatic (if you can even call Trump that) without the competent is a one legged stool. Let's at least try two legs.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @PhysicistDave, @dfordoom

    Depressing prediction if we’re trotting out the mediocre, elderly Trump yet again.

    If nationalists can’t find a competent charismatic nationalist somewhere … we’re doomed.

    There’s a good chance that Trump will run in 2024. But it won’t be Donald Trump. It will be Ivanka Trump.

    And the MAGA hat brigade will vote for her. God help us all.

  332. @utu
    @dfordoom

    Muammar Gaddafi in his Green Book believed in the direct democracy only like the town hall meetings in Vermont. No place for politicians as intermediaries.

    But you are right it is possible that at some point the level of corruption is so high that the pipes of democracy get plugged completely and the only way to get it back on track seems to be by calling Mr. Roto-Rooter. But the risk that Mr. Roto-Rooter won't leave after doing his job is very high. There was only one Cincinnatus.

    There is a problem of scale. Gaddafi would agree that in smaller countries participatory democracy can work better. And then even better when the small country is a confederacy like Switzerland where the central government is weak and collects much lower amount of revenue than the sum of all cantons. Though this may lead to local corruptions on canton level and putting up with quirkiness of local traditions like denying women vote in Appenzell or virtual servitude by children of poor families in villages still happening in 1950s.

    Your Australia having only 24 mil population and being split into provinces with some autonomy has a much higher chance for reforming itself than 13 times larger US. So perhaps you should concentrate on Australia. Do what is possible. And I do not think that inviting the CCP to rule over Australia is a good idea. Hate America less and love your own country more.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Muammar Gaddafi in his Green Book believed in the direct democracy only like the town hall meetings in Vermont. No place for politicians as intermediaries.

    Vox Day believes that as well, which leads me to think that it must be crazy.

    Seriously though the problem with direct democracy is that most people won’t bother voting on every single issue that comes up so power will end up being concentrated in the hands of a very small highly motivated activist minority who will make sure they vote on every issue no matter how apparently trivial.

    There’s also the problem that most people don’t have a clue how the real world works and have zero understanding of even simple issues, much less complex issues. So it would be like turning the running of a poultry farm over to the chickens.

    It’s an idea that would have been workable in the 18th century but it cannot work in complex modern societies.

    Your Australia having only 24 mil population and being split into provinces with some autonomy has a much higher chance for reforming itself than 13 times larger US.

    Maybe. But the major parties in Australia are actively working to make our electoral system worse rather than better. Their objective is to give themselves a complete monopoly on political power by undermining our (excellent) preferential voting system.

    There’s still the basic problem with any form of democracy that it requires citizens capable of understanding and thinking. Where the hell are we (or any other country) going to find such citizens? We wouldn’t need to replace our population with people from other countries. We’d need to replace our population with a whole new species.

    As Churchill said, the best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

    So the alternative to democracy that are most likely to happen are still a one-party state or a military dictatorship. And you’re correct of course – it’s unlikely that a one-party state or a military dictatorship would ever voluntarily relinquish power.

    Monarchy remains the least worst system.

  333. @415 reasons
    @TestAcctforUnz

    Argh I think you’re right although I’m optimistic the Republicans will (eventually, not in ‘24) learn because the only path forward for a non-PMC party in our racially diverse future is a racially diverse anti-woke populist party a la Bolsonaro. The rump of Rockefeller/Romney/Ryan Republicans will eventually discover that or die trying. Trump, instructive as always about the contradictions and idiocies of our system, will show 8 or 12 or 20 years ahead of time that the Republicans will have no choice but to move towards a policy platform that would have been solidly centrist left wing a generation ago just minus the woke BS.

    Replies: @Ray Caruso

    I’m Brazilian and I would like to say that while I appreciate your awareness of my native country’s politics, you’re missing one crucial factor: although leftists are working diligently to create it, in Brazil there isn’t the same kind of racial animus from non-Whites toward Whites that there is in the US. That’s why Bolsonaro could be elected as a populist leader in a majority non-White country. That having been said, there was a significant correlation between being White and voting for him, which is a big reason why he failed to win a single state in the country’s Northeast region, which has much fewer Whites than the Southeastern and Southern regions. I don’t believe anything like Bolsonaro could be replicated in the US. The GOP could try an affirmative-action candidate, but I doubt that would have much appeal for either Whites or non-Whites. Bolsonaro, for all his shortcomings, is a true leader in the sense that he is a self-made man with his own ideas. Someone like Tim Scott or Marco Rubio would be rightly perceived as a mercenary careerist standing athwart the passionate intensity of the Demoncrap cockroaches. Last but not least, there will be the fraud. There was fraud this time. There will always be fraud going forward.

  334. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Trinity

    You live in a bubble. Trump is the most unpopular President in American history, he has never had a favorability rating over 50 peecent his entire term. Out my college graduating class of 1200 people maybe 10 percent voted for him. My New Hampshire high school traditionally was very Republican but all the women I am still in touch with loathe Trump, and these are women who have voted Republican for 30 years. The men from my class who are outspoken Trump supporters were certainly not the brightest kids.

    The real question in my mind is how did Trump get 74 million votes. That’s where the fraud probably is. Outside the hardcore fanbase who goes to rallies and bitter middle aged failures I never meet Trump supporters in real life.

    Replies: @Moses, @James Braxton, @Authenticjazzman, @Trinity, @AP

    You must not get out much.

  335. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Trinity

    You live in a bubble. Trump is the most unpopular President in American history, he has never had a favorability rating over 50 peecent his entire term. Out my college graduating class of 1200 people maybe 10 percent voted for him. My New Hampshire high school traditionally was very Republican but all the women I am still in touch with loathe Trump, and these are women who have voted Republican for 30 years. The men from my class who are outspoken Trump supporters were certainly not the brightest kids.

    The real question in my mind is how did Trump get 74 million votes. That’s where the fraud probably is. Outside the hardcore fanbase who goes to rallies and bitter middle aged failures I never meet Trump supporters in real life.

    Replies: @Moses, @James Braxton, @Authenticjazzman, @Trinity, @AP

    “Trump supporters were certainly not the brightest kids”

    Myself Mensa qualified with testing results in the 150-160 range, and a creative artist ( jazz performer) am a fervent DT supporter, so your cliche’ of stupid DT trump supporters has a hole in it.

    ” Out of my college graduating class of 1200 people maybe 10 percent voted for him”

    Not hard to explain seeing as the leftist Frankfurter Schule has done a perfect job of subverting the US edumacation system.

    You best understand that we are enemies and you leftist lunatics will no longer get away with the underhandedness which we have tolerated for the last six decades.

    You lefttist scumbags will lose this war, which you started.

    AJM

  336. @gsjackson
    @Corvinus

    Obviously I don't know for a fact what will happen. Steve asked for predictions, I made one. I do know there are a lot of people out there in internet land -- a completely different mental universe from that spoken into being by the corporate media -- who believe that will happen.

    Sidney Powell is saying exactly the same things, as of yesterday. Maybe at some point a court will actually look at her evidence. As far as I'm aware, no court has decided anything on the merits yet.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Corvinus

    “Obviously I don’t know for a fact what will happen. Steve asked for predictions, I made one.”

    Saying “this WILL happen” is not a prediction. Try using “I THINK this will happen”. The more you know…

    “I do know there are a lot of people out there in internet land — a completely different mental universe from that spoken into being by the corporate media — who believe that will happen.”

    You mean a different alternate reality.

    “Sidney Powell is saying exactly the same things, as of yesterday. Maybe at some point a court will actually look at her evidence.”

    Claims are not evidence.

    “As far as I’m aware, no court has decided anything on the merits yet.”

    The Trump lawsuits that have been dismissed by the judges says otherwise.

  337. @Noticer of things
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus,

    Of course the media is going to say "debunked" "debunked" "debunked". If you believe they have any integrity and credibility with respect to things that clearly go against the partisan interests of their owners then you have had your head buried in the sand for the last 4+ years. In particular, you may have missed the fact that there was concrete evidence that Biden was a traitor (e-mails the authenticity of which was never specifically denied--other recipients verifying the e-mails were real, etc.) and videos/pics showing family incest, and the media simply pretended the evidence didn't exist to try to get their candidate elected.

    Re: numbers 1-4 you cited, we'll see what comes to light in the future. I'm not denying that some of the many fraud claims may not pan out. Some may even be intentional disinformation. There are allegations that fraud took place on multiple levels--(i) massive computer based fraud using Dominion and probably other voting systems; and (ii) targeted manual fraud in several Dem strongholds (including Detroit, Minneapolis, Philidelphia and Atlanta). Most of the evidence found thus far, including 1000+ witnesses, relates to (ii). Importantly, (i) wouldn't need to be true at all for (ii) to be true and to have altered the election result.

    What I'm saying is that for anyone who digs into the data from election night (and the following days) the evidence that there was significant fraud is overwhelming. I know you are just a troll here and what I say won't matter to you, but it may matter to others. If you have no time, you can look at the graphs in the attached and see if you can explain how they make sense: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1325592112428163072.html

    I haven't seen a lot of Ivy league statistician types come forward and say they are willing to publicly debate anyone re: these numbers and that there's nothing strange to see here. Now that doesn't show exactly how all the fraud happened (and to work out the details is likely to take months), but if you understand that the election was fundamentally fraudulent and Biden is illegitimate you will understand that this is of keen importance to half of the country (and probably a majority of the readers here), and you'll understand why they may have less interest (at least for the time being) in yet another Covid story.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Of course the media is going to say “debunked” “debunked” “debunked”.”

    Because it is–you simply do not want to believe it.

    “If you believe they have any integrity and credibility with respect to things that clearly go against the partisan interests of their owners then you have had your head buried in the sand for the last 4+ years.

    I would say it is plausible that people who consume alternative media is also having baseless conspiracies shoved at them routinely when they do not further investigate on their own accord. Why should we unequivocally kow tow to the sites you listed, along with Weasel Zippers, Brietbart, PJ Media, and Alex Jones?

    More importantly, read carefully the advice of Ron Unz…

    I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions…On a more serious note, many of my articles very heavily cite various MSM sources, so why would I do that if I believed they were always lying?”

    In a similar vein, the work of historians, then and now, involves collecting evidence and weaving a narrative that employs that evidence. If a person disagrees with the interpretation, then he/she has to offer counter evidence rather than automatically assume the overall work are “lies”.

    Does not this process keep “the flame of free thought alive”?

    “In particular, you may have missed the fact that there was concrete evidence that Biden was a traitor (e-mails the authenticity of which was never specifically denied–other recipients verifying the e-mails were real, etc.) and videos/pics showing family incest, and the media simply pretended the evidence didn’t exist to try to get their candidate elected”.

    Allegedly. It may or may not be true. We shall see in the coming months. Of course, on a related note, you may have missed the fact that there was concrete evidence that Trump was a traitor–read the Proof series–and his team and supporters simply pretended the evidence doesn’t exist to try to get their candidate re-elected.

    “Re: numbers 1-4 you cited, we’ll see what comes to light in the future. I’m not denying that some of the many fraud claims may not pan out.”

    A number of the claims have not panned out. So why should we believe future claims?

    “Some may even be intentional disinformation.”

    I am afraid is IS intentional disinformation.

    “Most of the evidence found thus far, including 1000+ witnesses, relates to (ii).”

    Why should we simply believe the eyewitness claims without verification?

    “What I’m saying is that for anyone who digs into the data from election night (and the following days) the evidence that there was significant fraud is overwhelming.”

    Allegedly.

    “but if you understand that the election was fundamentally fraudulent and Biden is illegitimate you will understand”

    It’s not a lie, if you believe it–George Constanza

  338. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Trinity

    You live in a bubble. Trump is the most unpopular President in American history, he has never had a favorability rating over 50 peecent his entire term. Out my college graduating class of 1200 people maybe 10 percent voted for him. My New Hampshire high school traditionally was very Republican but all the women I am still in touch with loathe Trump, and these are women who have voted Republican for 30 years. The men from my class who are outspoken Trump supporters were certainly not the brightest kids.

    The real question in my mind is how did Trump get 74 million votes. That’s where the fraud probably is. Outside the hardcore fanbase who goes to rallies and bitter middle aged failures I never meet Trump supporters in real life.

    Replies: @Moses, @James Braxton, @Authenticjazzman, @Trinity, @AP

    Nope, you are the one that lives in a bubble called New Hampshire. ROTFLMMFWAO.

    Dude, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, and even that most asshat of all states Massachusetts and the tiniest state of all Rhode Island, all collectively known as Shitsville, New England, ( is Connecticut a New England state?) is about as out of touch with the rest of the nation as it can be. NH, Vermont and Maine all together have how many people living among the maple trees? I am glad that the government has been importing some Black and Brown diversity to these whiter than snow two face states that always identify as “liberal.” I hear tell you people in that neck of the woods are almost entirely White, yet with your pompous New England snobbery want to tell everyone else how we should stop being so racist to the “colored folk” down South. LMAO.

    I am not a HUGE Trump supporter as I keep mentioning but did you see how many people attended Trump’s rallies in places like Penn., Michigan, Georgia, Wisconsin, Florida, etc., etc.? Just because people in your neck of the woods, or at least the few people you spoke to at “collage” didn’t like Trump doesn’t mean squat. I mean isn’t Vermont the most least populated state next to Wyoming? And the only state in that whole region with any significant amount of people living there is everyone’s favorite state to rag one, Massholechusets.

    Whatever your opinion of Trump and mine is he kissed up to Israel and Jews too much, kissed too much Black ass and took his White base for granted, he was the most popular President in my lifetime. You have obviously let you tremendous IQ and “collage” edjumucation let you overthink what your eyes saw and watched too much CNN or lived in woods of New Hampshire too long. Trump is the one who probably received 80 million total votes and Biden more than likely received 45-50 million votes, tops. You can bet you New England ass that Trump took this election in a landslide.

    The demsheviks stole the election from Mittens Romney in 2012, the repukes stole the election from Gore in 200 and the demsheviks stole the election from Nixon in 1960. And I wouldn’t be surprised that their was something shady going on when Huey Long was assassinated and George Wallace was shot. Both were major threats to win the presidency from the incumbents FDR and Nixon at the time.

    Not only did Trump beat Pathetic Joe, he beat him in a landslide and everyone smarter than a second grader knows it. America is being mocked and the whole world is looking at the most inept President-Elect and Vice President-Elect in the history of this nation. My gawd, Joe makes George McGovern look great.

  339. @Aardvark
    @BB753

    Increment digits in a computer and print banknotes to match?
    Have a look at http://www.milliondollarbabies.com. It hasn't been updated in a while but it documents the sad saga of hyper-inflation across assorted governments.
    The ability to inflate knows no bounds until the people get fed (no pun intended) up with it.
    If they succeed in eliminating cash and only using digital currencies, we will be royally phucked...
    Then it remains to be seen if a healthy barter system erupts or if precious metals mean anything.

    Replies: @BB753

    Do you think Bitcoin will endure?

  340. @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous

    The courts aren't on your side. I wouldn't spend a dollar suing over this.

    None of the other powerful institutions in America are on your side either.

    Trumpists need to start a march through the institutions. Keep your opinions secret and apply for government jobs. The best time to start was years ago. The second best time is now.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Pericles, @stealth, @Authenticjazzman, @Corvinus, @Anonymous

    The whole point of ‘cancel culture’ with its endless purity tests is to expose and remove any conservatives attempting a ‘long march’ of their own. This will go nowhere. It’s naive to think the left will allow anyone else to use this tactic against them.

  341. We know the election was hijacked.

    1. If the people running the election in the swing states had clean hands, they would be eager to prove it: welcome procedural safeguards—poll inspectors, machine audits, signature matching—to show their innocence. Instead, they act with guilty knowledge, throwing up one roadblock after another.

    2. Fractional voting through algorithms resulted in Trump votes actually decreasing (captured on vote feeds and totals shown on TV). Biden’s votes could have increased, but it is impossible that Trump’s votes decreased. It just doesn’t work that way.

  342. @Reg Cæsar
    (On-topic, eventually.) Other than a couple of PC speed bumps, this rabbi nails it:

    Why the cultural elite truly despises Hanukkah

    So, what is our anti-globalist "Hannukah"? Thanksgiving? Flag Day? What can't be universalized?

    Unfortunately, Constitution Day already has been:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Day_(United_States)

    The rest of the Anglosphere has the Queen's Birthday, albeit on the wrong date. Monarchy is a useful reminder of a nation's roots.

    Some New England states have their Patriots' Day. If you live in the East, you get an extra day to file your 1040, as the Boston office is closed. But it would be weird for Americans to celebrate April 15. (It's easier in New England, which gave the most resistance to the Sixteenth Amendment.)

    Flag Day has the advantage of being Donald Trump's birthday.

    Replies: @utu, @Ancient Briton, @Anonymous

    We will probably in future see a ‘grand compromise’ whereby Jews grudgingly agree to stop public celebrations of Hanukah in return for Christians agreeing to do the same with Christmas.

  343. @Colin Wright
    @Desiderius

    'He’s rubbing your nose in it. He’s a con(fidence) man. It’s his job.'

    This is actually one of the things that makes me even more suspicious.

    If this all wasn't orchestrated, we'd have at least one mainstream media outlet picking up at least one of the incidents and going 'looks like there's something here.' I mean, that's part of what the media does, in theory. It turns over the leaf mold behind the shed and sees what's growing underneath.

    ...even if it's actually not much. They find it, they make of it what they can, we are or are not impressed. That's the idea.

    ...but it didn't happen at all this time. It was all 'nothing happened -- move along' -- from everybody. This from the same folks who were seriously pretending Russia had interfered in the 2016 election. I mean, it apparently doesn't take much to make them cry wolf.

    I dunno if the conspiracy was explicit. I'd guess not. But even if was tacit, it was still a conspiracy. Trump was to be defeated -- by any means necessary. Obviously, that would have to include asserting that his defeat was completely legitimate. They were all in on the fix.

    ...now, the fun bit is facing up to who 'they' are: Jews, I'm reluctantly forced to admit.

    Awkward -- but that is what I see. Lots and lots of Jews.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Justvisiting

    I dunno if the conspiracy was explicit. I’d guess not.

    This election reminds me of the Mafia skim off of the casinos that went on for many years.

    Everybody knew it was happening.

    Some of the “big names” were well known.

    There were also some lesser-known folks who became known years later.

    It was considered “normal” at the casinos, so honest folks who worked there didn’t think anything of it.

    The “normals” also realized there was no legal authority they could trust, so whistleblowing would be very hazardous to your health.

    Lots of criminals wanted their “cut” including local and national politicians.

    There were even some criminals courageous enough or greedy enough or stupid enough to skim the skim.

    Mass media knew to keep their mouths shut–or else…

    It was the rule of the jungle–for _decades_.

    So–now it has just gone national–the political parties and organized crime have become indistinguishable–late stage kleptocracy.

  344. @Redman
    @Lot

    It’s unlikely that there will be a revolutionary crackup. We’ve seen how docile Americans are with the Wuflu fiasco. That was a big test. And we as a nation failed.

    But there’s a whole other level of economic misery we haven’t seen that our grandparents (or at least mine) did. What happens when that hurricane hits is anyone’s guess.

    I tend to think that Steve’s observation that Biden is our Von Hindenburg might be pretty spot on. If anything, there’s now an opening for a true populist to try to seize the throne from a hobbled and demented king in a few years.

    Replies: @MBlanc46, @Just another serf, @colm, @Known Fact

    The brutal treatment Trump has received was in part meant as a warning against any other populist who might want to lead a conservative or white revolt.

  345. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Corvinus


    I would say he did study them, and he NOTICED that the evidence simply does not support Trump’s claim of massive, widespread voter fraud
     
    Jeez, you really know how to spout the narrative, don't you? But then again you trot out the New York Times and ABC News to support your arguments. THEY'RE objective and dispassionate, yessiree.

    "massive, widespread voter fraud." Nice. Does that mean you might concede that there is "limited, targeted voter fraud?' What adjectives would you be "comfortable" with? I bet you wouldn't say "none," but somehow I don't think you would go there.

    See, here's the problem. Yahoos like you spout these canned phrases, but no one taking your position, as far as I can tell, has come up with a "standard" of evidence that would satisfy.

    The facts -- and they are indeed facts -- marshalled by the other side are very very troubling.

    The numbers alone are squirrely. Sizable discrepancies between voter roles and votes. Sizable swaths of ballots that had only single votes. The lack of signature verification on "mail-in ballots." The timing of vote counting, particularly in Georgia, especially when the watchers were told to go home and that vote counting was done, and then, voila, they started counting again with no one to observe. Huge vote dumps that somehow late in the evening or early in the morning went 90 plus percent for Biden in Michigan and Wisconsin.

    And all these crazy results just HAPPENED to occur in Democrat areas well know for their corruption and cheating. I know. I live in one.

    And then there are the statistical anomalies. The sheer number of ballots cast versus what would be expected, even four years after the last election. The county by county analysis that would normally lead one to think that Trump won handily but somehow, someway, just a few counties in a few states tipped the scales with large numbers of pig in a python counts.

    The whole enterprise stinks, and anyone with half a brain would be desperately holding their nose.

    And then on top of that, as the Texas suit noted, we had secretaries of state blatantly violating the Electors clause of the Constitution by dramatically changing the rules of the game -- executive "authorities" who, oddly enough, were either rabid Democrats (Kathy Boockvar poses as a lawyer but is actually a Social Justice Warrior) or never Trumpers.

    Now the Supreme Court ruling -- hey can one blame them? Since if they actually ruled on the law they risked having their houses firebombed by AntiFa. And, gee, isn't it funny now that the riots have stopped? Oh, well, I guess we have no "widespread evidence of coordinated mostly peaceful demonstrations."

    We have now officially entered Banana Republic territory.

    And no New York Times stories, or canned phraseology spouted by the likes of you, will change that.

    Replies: @Dube, @Corvinus

    “Jeez, you really know how to spout the narrative, don’t you?’

    No, it’s rather countering assertions, ones of which you passionately disagree with.

    “Does that mean you might concede that there is “limited, targeted voter fraud?”

    Not concede, but acknowledge there have been past cases, but not as widespread or perpetual as you believe, by which individuals have been arrested and convicted.

    “Yahoos like you spout these canned phrases, but no one taking your position, as far as I can tell, has come up with a “standard” of evidence that would satisfy.”

    Actually, the “canned phrases” have come from Trump and his cadre of lawyers, and are relying on eyewitnesses who claim to have seen vote fraud in action. But then when they go to court…

    https://time.com/5914377/donald-trump-no-evidence-fraud/

    “The facts — and they are indeed facts — marshalled by the other side are very very troubling.”

    Alternative facts, you mean.

    “The numbers alone are squirrely. Sizable discrepancies between voter roles and votes. Sizable swaths of ballots that had only single votes. The lack of signature verification on “mail-in ballots.” The timing of vote counting, particularly in Georgia, especially when the watchers were told to go home and that vote counting was done, and then, voila, they started counting again with no one to observe.”

    Which have been addressed, but not in the manner by which you prefer a particular outcome.

    “Huge vote dumps that somehow late in the evening or early in the morning went 90 plus percent for Biden in Michigan and Wisconsin.”

    That is what happened when mail in votes were counted last–the expectation was that they would heavily skew Democrat.

    “And all these crazy results just HAPPENED to occur in Democrat areas well know for their corruption and cheating. I know. I live in one.”

    Certainly there has been corruption and cheating in those areas, but as far as massive, perpetual vote as you believe, past or present, well, no.

    https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression/myth-voter-fraud

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/494189-lets-put-the-vote-by-mail-fraud-myth-to-rest

    “The sheer number of ballots cast versus what would be expected, even four years after the last election.”

    What was expected, and happened, is extraordinary large turnout for both sides, which is other than surprising given how Trump acted during his presidency.

    “The county by county analysis that would normally lead one to think that Trump won handily but somehow, someway, just a few counties in a few states tipped the scales with large numbers of pig in a python counts.”

    I think what you cannot wrap your head around is the fact that many voters who voted for Trump switched on their own accord for Biden, similar to what happened in 2016 with Shitlery when they willingly chose Trump. You assume Trump was THAT popular.

    “And then on top of that, as the Texas suit noted, we had secretaries of state blatantly violating the Electors clause of the Constitution by dramatically changing the rules of the game…”

    You mean they made legal changes which were temporary according to the rules of their own constitutions and legislatures by statute. Do you not believe in observing the Tenth Amendment?

    https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/absentee-and-mail-voting-policies-in-effect-for-the-2020-election.aspx

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/states-changed-rules-voting-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/story?id=72309089

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/mail-voting-what-has-changed-2020

    “Since if they actually ruled on the law they risked having their houses firebombed by AntiFa. And, gee, isn’t it funny now that the riots have stopped?”

    Except they did rule on the law.

    “We have now officially entered Banana Republic territory.”

    Management appreciates your opinion.

    “And no New York Times stories, or canned phraseology spouted by the likes of you, will change that.”

    Enjoy your confirmation bias bubble.

  346. @Peterike
    Banana republic!!

    Or more like matzoh republic. 2021 is gonna be lit.

    Steve, you have at best two years until you and Unz are shut down by hate speech laws. Start saving money big time.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Known Fact

    Steve, you have at best two years until you and Unz are shut down by hate speech laws.

    Or maybe two months. That “website maintainance” here yesterday may have been a dry run

  347. @Corvinus
    @Noticer of things

    "Steve doesn’t even believe the election was seriously rigged (enough to change the outcome). He’s stated that."

    Right, but he will tacitly endorse that narrative, because it is tin cup time.

    "It’s shocking because he has had plenty of opportunity to study the “anomalies” and to see what others with a numbers background and an open mind are saying"

    I would say he did study them, and he NOTICED that the evidence simply does not support Trump's claim of massive, widespread voter fraud. Remember, Trump stated he was going to win no matter what. When he won, there was no/limited fraud. But when he lost, there was huge fraud. He claims he won CONVINCINGLY. That is insane.

    Is it not reasonable to believe that just enough voters had decided on their own accord to NOT support him in 2020, much in the same manner that just enough voters chose of their own volition to NOT support Shitlery in 2016, because of their own actions? Why?

    "Even the videos and 1000+ eye witnesses to fraud seem not to have changed his mind".

    You mean videos that show conclusive proof of individuals engaging in vote switching, ballot harvesting, vote dumping, etc.? Please provide links.

    As far as those eyewitnesses, they are claims. So why should we automatically believe them about what they saw, given how Trump lawyers do not make those accusations in court...

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

    and a number of those accusations have been debunked?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/business/media/voter-fraud-misinformation.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8938507/Donald-Trumps-234-pages-fraud-affidavits-include-unusual-claims.html

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/false-misleading-trump-team-claims-election-fraud/story?id=74179247

    So, perhaps you can keep an open mind and review the data.

    "Not getting that this election was fraudulent is big".

    Assuming there was this massive, widespread fraud as claimed by Trump. But perhaps you can demonstrate how:

    1) the U.S. Army seized servers for Dominion in Germany;

    2) his cyber team has in its possession a Dominion machine from Ware County, Georgia with clear proof that votes had been purposely switched for Biden;

    3) his cyber team has clear proof that Dominion machines in Antrim County, Michigan automatically switched votes from Biden to Trump -and-

    4) Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act and declare martial law by the end of December.

    Replies: @Noticer of things, @anon, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @Reg Cæsar, @TomSchmidt

    “Is it not reasonable to believe that just enough voters had decided on their own accord to NOT support him in 2020.”

    I think that that is a reasonable assumption. I’d like to see an analysis of New Hampshire, where the Republicans swept to power in both chambers of the statehouse but Trump performed worse than 2016. Assuming no fraud, that’s a genuinely interesting result: they liked the Republican message and hated Trump.

    What kind of fraud proof are you looking for? Proof of any fraud, proof of fraud sufficient to overturn the election, proof of secret server raids in Germany and Dominion switching votes? I think the first is already established; you need only check the records on dead people who voted, a long-standing American tradition. How many states does it have to happen in before you would consider it widespread?

    I think the third idea is fantasy. As Steve has pointed out, it imagines Trump is more organized and proactive than he has demonstrated evidence of. I could see Bill Clinton being that cunning. HW Bush, too. not Trump.

    The second is interesting, however; I am greatly appreciating the arguments on both sides about data.

    Question: if there is acceptable proof to you that more ballots than the margin of victory were cast either fraudulently (by dead or ineligible people) or illegally (by ballots not following the law of the state where cast), what will you recommend?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @TomSchmidt

    "What kind of fraud proof are you looking for?"

    I do think the better question is "How has certain states responded to Trump's accusations?"

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/weve-found-systemic-fraud-overturn-election-georgia-secretary/story?id=74560956

    "Proof of any fraud"

    Yes, there has been fraud. What type? On what level? To what extent? By whom? What evidence is there besides eye witness claims?

    "proof of fraud sufficient to overturn the election"

    Has it even reached that level?

    "proof of secret server raids in Germany and Dominion switching votes?"

    Trump's lawyers say they have that type of evidence. Where is it?

    "How many states does it have to happen in before you would consider it widespread?"

    That is a tough one to answer. Is it in just the battleground states as alleged by Trump? Is it reserved to only major cities in several states?

    "Question: if there is acceptable proof to you that more ballots than the margin of victory were cast either fraudulently (by dead or ineligible people) or illegally (by ballots not following the law of the state where cast), what will you recommend?"

    Another election. But that requires a constitutional amendment.

    To me, the presidential election should have one universal voting ballot conducted by a non-partisan company, with strict protocols and procedures, which includes mail-in voting to one central location. The mail-in address envelope is also standard. The ballot is a simple pen and paper--check who you want to vote for. Both R's and D's would be able to observe the process in Washington, D.C. at 50 locations, one for each state. Hand count the vote twice.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  348. @anon
    I think the Supreme Court ruling is just a useful reminder to folks here that you can no longer be on autopilot and depend on others to carry your interests forward for you.

    Witness what that complacency has wrought: we have people here hoping for the escape of death before the piper calls. And from what? A historical period that is really an aberration: probably the quietest and most stable period of human history, and one that has allowed all sorts of nonsense to flourish.

    I don't blame those wistful for peace and quiet. I certainly don't blame old men wanting to think about golf and baseball after a lifetime of b.s. in corporate. I'm glad we have things like that still around, and it sucks covid took that from people this year. But life is chance, and covid is just the reminder of that eternal truth.

    For the people that believe they have more years ahead than behind..I will tell you this: fix your spiritual bayonet for the years ahead and charge. You are an American in 1850 and you will live to shape and perhaps see the next era of this country and more importantly: the future circumstances of your progeny.

    Blogs like this will no longer prepare you for your future. These are books that are closing. Feel free to continue reading them like I do; there is valuable background. But life is writing itself ahead.

    Keep your eyes forward and up.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @ben tillman, @Known Fact

    You are an American in 1850 and you will live to shape and perhaps see the next era of this country and more importantly: the future circumstances of your progeny.

    This is a great point — 1850 or as I like to think, 1900: You are going to fight in WWI, maybe survive the Spanish flu, endure the Great Depression and have to send your sons off to WWII. Our last 75 years of relative calm and prosperity? Looks like it’s ovah.

  349. @Dube
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    [No] “massive, widespread voter fraud.” Nice. Does that mean you might concede that there is “limited, targeted voter fraud?’

    “Limited, targeted voter fraud." A necessary refinement in defining the issue. Thanks.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

    93% peaceful

  350. @RSDB
    @Lot


    The Russian ... revolutionaries were ... better in their human capital than the hereditary government they deposed.
     
    And your evidence for this is ... ?

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Verymuchalive, @utu, @J.Ross, @Bill

    His tribe’s intense desire to believe it?

  351. @Morton's toes
    @Supply and Demand

    https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/82669.The_Life_of_the_Law

    We just need better lawyers and get to work. Nader's book is a tribute to the power of class-action lawsuits. This is how in real life the tobacco companies got taken down. Jack Off Joe and the Skank Ho are small beer compared to Marlboro Man.

    Replies: @Bill

    Except that tobacco companies didn’t actually get taken down.

  352. @Father O'Hara
    @Peterike

    Money?

    Replies: @Bill

    He means the yellow kind you sew into your clothes or bury in your back yard.

  353. @TomSchmidt
    @Corvinus

    "Is it not reasonable to believe that just enough voters had decided on their own accord to NOT support him in 2020."

    I think that that is a reasonable assumption. I'd like to see an analysis of New Hampshire, where the Republicans swept to power in both chambers of the statehouse but Trump performed worse than 2016. Assuming no fraud, that's a genuinely interesting result: they liked the Republican message and hated Trump.

    What kind of fraud proof are you looking for? Proof of any fraud, proof of fraud sufficient to overturn the election, proof of secret server raids in Germany and Dominion switching votes? I think the first is already established; you need only check the records on dead people who voted, a long-standing American tradition. How many states does it have to happen in before you would consider it widespread?

    I think the third idea is fantasy. As Steve has pointed out, it imagines Trump is more organized and proactive than he has demonstrated evidence of. I could see Bill Clinton being that cunning. HW Bush, too. not Trump.

    The second is interesting, however; I am greatly appreciating the arguments on both sides about data.

    Question: if there is acceptable proof to you that more ballots than the margin of victory were cast either fraudulently (by dead or ineligible people) or illegally (by ballots not following the law of the state where cast), what will you recommend?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “What kind of fraud proof are you looking for?”

    I do think the better question is “How has certain states responded to Trump’s accusations?”

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/weve-found-systemic-fraud-overturn-election-georgia-secretary/story?id=74560956

    “Proof of any fraud”

    Yes, there has been fraud. What type? On what level? To what extent? By whom? What evidence is there besides eye witness claims?

    “proof of fraud sufficient to overturn the election”

    Has it even reached that level?

    “proof of secret server raids in Germany and Dominion switching votes?”

    Trump’s lawyers say they have that type of evidence. Where is it?

    “How many states does it have to happen in before you would consider it widespread?”

    That is a tough one to answer. Is it in just the battleground states as alleged by Trump? Is it reserved to only major cities in several states?

    “Question: if there is acceptable proof to you that more ballots than the margin of victory were cast either fraudulently (by dead or ineligible people) or illegally (by ballots not following the law of the state where cast), what will you recommend?”

    Another election. But that requires a constitutional amendment.

    To me, the presidential election should have one universal voting ballot conducted by a non-partisan company, with strict protocols and procedures, which includes mail-in voting to one central location. The mail-in address envelope is also standard. The ballot is a simple pen and paper–check who you want to vote for. Both R’s and D’s would be able to observe the process in Washington, D.C. at 50 locations, one for each state. Hand count the vote twice.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Corvinus

    That is a tough one to answer. Is it in just the battleground states as alleged by Trump? Is it reserved to only major cities in several states?

    I suspect it is everywhere, and not just D's are so engaged. I suspect that people profiting from the arrangement do not want it disturbed.

    “proof of fraud sufficient to overturn the election”

    Has it even reached that level?


    Dunno on fraud. I suspect that Wisconsin had more illegal ballots (though perhaps not fraudulent; people voting in good faith but not legally) than the margin of victory. Trump won a court victory on that Monday. It's clear that Pennsylvania's Constitution did not allow for the voting law change in 2019, meaning that all mail-in ballots, or almost all, were cast illegally, though perhaps not fraudulently. Georgia? Given the small number between Trump and Biden, there are plenty of illegally issued absentee ballots. I have not verified all but I did very a few, and the people identified as having moved out of state but still voting is over 17k. I checked some and found that accurate, though the persons may have moved back in state after filing a change of address.

    The mail-in address envelope is also standard. The ballot is a simple pen and paper–check who you want to vote for. Both R’s and D’s would be able to observe the process in Washington, D.C. at 50 locations, one for each state. Hand count the vote twice.

    Mail-in ballots are always subject to a "man in the middle" attack. As our best cryptographers have no answer for this, neither will our election officials. Pen and paper is best, and very close to how Canada votes. I'd be happier to see that system.

  354. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Clyde


    “Why ruin my familiy’s Christmas holiday season for Trump, who everyone in DC hates anyway” “I will never get another invite to a prestigious lib cocktails party”
     
    Exactly, Clyde, and the same for Congressmen, Senators and the higher-level bureaucrats - see The Cocktail Party theory of Political Stupidity.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Clyde

    Censored anti-lockdown song by Eric Clapton: ”Stand and Deliver”

  355. @Trinity
    Hate to be a downer but if they pull off this fraud, I have a better chance at hitting the Powerball jackpot than America ever haves of regaining its past glory. Unless a miracle happens, the fat lady has already sung for America. The world is watching, and EVERYONE knows that this election was a FRAUD, and if Biden swears in, the world will know that America is a HUGE JOKE.

    Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    The world is watching, and EVERYONE knows that this election was a FRAUD, and if Biden swears in, the world will know that America is a HUGE JOKE.

    Unbelievable to hear this said over and over, because so blatantly untrue. Why did all the important world leaders congratulate Biden on his victory except Putin (that I know of.)

    The world is always watching America. That’s all it does. Bloggers living in China don’t talk about China, Australians don’t have any local news that interests anybody–and they know all minutiae of U.S. politics, and did so during the Dem primaries. I know who the President of China is, but not the one of Australia. Of of Austria for that matter. I know France and Britain, but can’t right off remember Ireland, Italy or Greece (and those are even places I’m interested in.) All other countries are given short shrift. I can’t think of a one that gets 5% the publicity the U.S. does.

    All the people screaming that it’s FRAUD are just doing it because Trump says it, and you want Trump. That doesn’t make it true (even if it is.) In fact, it is logical to assume that most do NOT think it is fraud.

    Of course, the extreme rightist blogs are insisting Trump *SEIZE POWER TOMORROW OR IT WILL BE TOO LATE*, so that would be an interesting diversion to wake up to.

    • Replies: @Dube
    @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    You forgot "baseless."

    Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

  356. @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race
    @Trinity


    The world is watching, and EVERYONE knows that this election was a FRAUD, and if Biden swears in, the world will know that America is a HUGE JOKE.
     
    Unbelievable to hear this said over and over, because so blatantly untrue. Why did all the important world leaders congratulate Biden on his victory except Putin (that I know of.)

    The world is always watching America. That's all it does. Bloggers living in China don't talk about China, Australians don't have any local news that interests anybody--and they know all minutiae of U.S. politics, and did so during the Dem primaries. I know who the President of China is, but not the one of Australia. Of of Austria for that matter. I know France and Britain, but can't right off remember Ireland, Italy or Greece (and those are even places I'm interested in.) All other countries are given short shrift. I can't think of a one that gets 5% the publicity the U.S. does.

    All the people screaming that it's FRAUD are just doing it because Trump says it, and you want Trump. That doesn't make it true (even if it is.) In fact, it is logical to assume that most do NOT think it is fraud.

    Of course, the extreme rightist blogs are insisting Trump *SEIZE POWER TOMORROW OR IT WILL BE TOO LATE*, so that would be an interesting diversion to wake up to.

    Replies: @Dube

    You forgot “baseless.”

    • Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race
    @Dube

    So I did. Thanks. I want at this point to never leave out any of the words in this implacably ignorant denouement. Loathe her as I still do, such threads as this make me know that Hillary was spot on with 'Deplorables'. At the time, I thought it was just her Goldman Sachs snobbism, now I see that anyone who would give her the benefit of adopting such nomenclature truly is deplorable.

    Anything else you can save me lifting a finger for? I wouldn't want to omit any of the all-lying msm media cliches.

  357. Anonymous[443] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    The Supreme Court's plainly and rightly rejected the Texas Suit on the grounds that with voting software that was not "allowed" to be audited no provable assertion could be made that an election had even taken place.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Here is how elections happen in an advanced country – The Kingdom of Bhutan.

    The photo (still up at time of this posting) shows that to be allowed to vote, Bhutanese voters are required to present TWO forms of photo ID:

    1. “VOTER PHOTO IDENTITY CARD” – caption legible in photograph.

    2. A second form of photo ID – presumably the general purpose ID card.

    Sadly, in countries less advanced than Bhutan, it is simply not be feasible to mandate even ONE form of photo ID.

    https://thewire.in/south-asia/in-major-upset-bhutan-voters-defeat-ruling-pdp-in-first-round-of-national-elections

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Voters in the Kingdom of Bhutan:

    https://cdn.thewire.in/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/21190213/bhutan-polls_twitter.jpg

  358. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Here is how elections happen in an advanced country - The Kingdom of Bhutan.

    The photo (still up at time of this posting) shows that to be allowed to vote, Bhutanese voters are required to present TWO forms of photo ID:

    1. "VOTER PHOTO IDENTITY CARD" - caption legible in photograph.

    2. A second form of photo ID - presumably the general purpose ID card.

    Sadly, in countries less advanced than Bhutan, it is simply not be feasible to mandate even ONE form of photo ID.

    https://thewire.in/south-asia/in-major-upset-bhutan-voters-defeat-ruling-pdp-in-first-round-of-national-elections

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Voters in the Kingdom of Bhutan:

  359. Here’s Rod Dreher’s account of yesterday’s totally lunatic ‘Jericho March’. Hate Hillary as I might, she had something with ‘Deplorables’. These fucking ‘Christian’ assholes are all totally and truly lower than deplorable. So stupid also they even thanked her by using her nomenclature.https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/what-i-saw-at-the-jericho-march/

    Dreher is even a very religious man, so it’s best to read his account of this horrifying spectacle. He’s a good writer; I had no idea yesterday in D.C. was this bad.

    That will be my Evangelical literature for a lifetime. Although this is documentation, Dreher is Catholic and not some freak like Alex Jones, who was a surprise Performer.

    Trump hates them too, and would never associate with them. Couldn’t get into high society no matter what, so pretends he’s above Park Avenue. I’d love to hear some of that ‘Contemporary Christian Music’ at Carnegie Hall–some nuclear blast that would be.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race


    Here’s Rod Dreher’s account of yesterday’s totally lunatic ‘Jericho March’.
     
    I just read it too and it's pretty terrifying stuff. This quote is the key: "I began to think that all of this is the right-wing Christian version of Critical Race Theory, and various doctrines held by the woke Left."

    This is a point I've made before. The mindsets of the Wokeists/SJWs on the one hand and the dissident right and the MAGA brigade on the other are identical. In both cases it's a mixture of religious zealotry, emotion and paranoia.

    The belief that the election was stolen is, as Dreher points out, exactly the same as the belief that systemic racism is everywhere.

    It's another example of both sides resorting to conspiracy theories with no regard whatsoever for any evidence.

    MAGA has now become a full-blown cult.
  360. @Dube
    @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    You forgot "baseless."

    Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    So I did. Thanks. I want at this point to never leave out any of the words in this implacably ignorant denouement. Loathe her as I still do, such threads as this make me know that Hillary was spot on with ‘Deplorables’. At the time, I thought it was just her Goldman Sachs snobbism, now I see that anyone who would give her the benefit of adopting such nomenclature truly is deplorable.

    Anything else you can save me lifting a finger for? I wouldn’t want to omit any of the all-lying msm media cliches.

  361. @Peter D. Bredon
    @Whiskey

    "Moreover, there are now predictably rumblings from Kamasutra’s camp that Generals, Admirals, and Sepcial Forces will be extradited to Iran for “war cr