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Accuser can’t remember what year it was, probably in early 1980s, when both were in high school, but says she told her marriage counselor about it in 2012.

According to The Megaphone, this is Incredibly Important.

One oddity of her account is that the accuser can’t remember the year, but is extremely certain of the identity of the boy she says she has never seen again in however many years it has been.

It’s worth pointing out Kavanaugh’s name was being Mentioned in the national press in 2012. Kavanaugh was being talked about as a potential supreme court nominee if a . The year 2012 is when professor Christine Blasey Ford apparently started accusing Kavanaugh by name, at a marriage counseling session, according to herself and her husband (but there’s no mention of Kavanaugh in the counselor’s notes).

Brett Kavanaugh’s name had been hurled into the national news in November 2011 as the dissenting vote in the biggest appeals court case of the year: Obamacare.

Appeals court backs Obama healthcare law
Jeremy Pelofsky, Lisa Lambert

NOVEMBER 8, 2011

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama’s signature healthcare law got a boost on Tuesday when an appeals court agreed with a lower court that dismissed a challenge and found the law’s minimum coverage requirement was constitutional.

… The dissenting judge was Brett Kavanaugh, appointed by President George W. Bush.

In early 2012, The New Yorker was sounding the alarm about Kavanaugh:

March 26, 2012 Issue
Holding Court

By Jeffrey Toobin

Brett M. Kavanaugh is a judge who sits on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, which is often described as the second most important court in the country. President George W. Bush nominated Kavanaugh to that post in 2003, when he was just thirty-eight years old, but the judge’s renown dates back to a few years before that. Kavanaugh was a protégé of the former Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, and a principal author of the Starr Report, the investigative bodice ripper that transfixed the reading public in the autumn of 1998. As a prosecutor, Kavanaugh set a bracing literary standard (“On all nine of those occasions, the President fondled and kissed her bare breasts . . .”), but his work as a judge may be even more startling.

Late last year, a three-judge panel of the D.C. Circuit voted, two to one, to uphold President Obama’s health-care reform, known as the Affordable Care Act (aca). Kavanaugh dissented, primarily on the ground that the lawsuit was premature. …

Kavanaugh’s bizarre opinion confirms that a contemporary analogue to the Clinton malady has taken hold: health-care derangement syndrome.

… If a Republican, any Republican, wins in November, his most likely first nominee to the Supreme Court will be Brett Kavanaugh. ♦

For example, Reuters suggested on April 19, 2012 that Kavanaugh was one of the two most most likely Romney nominees:

SUPREME COURT APRIL 19, 2012 / 11:29 AM / 6 YEARS AGO

Analysis: A Romney pick for top U.S. court? Frontrunners emerge
David Ingram

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Now that Mitt Romney is the presumptive Republican nominee for president, the names of people he might appoint to the U.S. Supreme Court are starting to roll off the tongues of conservative activists, lawyers and former Republican administration aides. …

Paul Clement, who served as U.S. solicitor general under President George W. Bush and is now a lawyer in private practice, is the favorite of many conservatives. …

Mentioned as often as Clement is Judge Brett Kavanaugh of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

Kavanaugh, 47, sits on a court that produced four sitting justices. He has deep roots in Washington, D.C., having worked in the Bush White House and assisted in the 1990s investigation that nearly led to President Bill Clinton’s ouster.

Kavanaugh is known for elaborate opinions such as a 65-page dissent he wrote in November exploring how an 1867 tax law barred courts from considering Obama’s healthcare law until 2015.

Is it a coincidence that Ms. Blasey Ford does not appear to have accused Kavanaugh until after Kavanaugh surfaced in the national news as a Republican legal hero?

 
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  1. There’s a 2012 New Yorker article that identifies Kav as most likely Romney nominee with the usual hysteria catnip for progtards like the accuser.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    @Desiderius

    Yep. A quick trip to the therapist for documentation, then sit on the accusation until it's convenient.

  2. Trump should have nominated Haven Monahan.

    • LOL: BB753
  3. Steve,

    According to the Megaphone: Ya Gotta Believe!

    Also, history repeats itself once again as Anita Hill’s allegations against Clarence Thomas likewise surfaced only after the confirmation hearings ended.

  4. A teenage boy apparently groped a teenage girl, or tried to, at a party a long time ago. Perhaps there was underage drinking there too.

    Many years later that boy was up for Supreme Court nomination. The girl, who was now a middle aged married woman with marital problems*, did not like his political views, insofar as she thought she knew what they were, so she came forward with this allegation in the hope that his nomination would be derailed and someone else appointed to the Supreme Court. Hell hath no fury…

    * I say this because she was in some kind of therapy in 2012 when this issue of involuntary groping came up.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @Jonathan Mason

    I wonder if Kavanaugh's real offense in her eyes was that he didn't try again.

    Replies: @JimB, @Lot

    , @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason


    The girl, who was now a middle aged married woman with marital problems*
     
    Does she have children?

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    Well we’ll, it all adds up now...she is a registered Democrat...too.
    Imagine that...wouldn’t be the first time a Democrat tried to gum up the system.
    It’s not that hard to see through the BS.

  5. How many eunuchs with law degrees does the US have at its disposal?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Rob McX

    We already tried David Souter. Didn't work out too well.

  6. Show me the (cis) man, I’ll show you the (sex) crime

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymous

    A much older friend of mine told me a similar quip , many years ago :

    Show me a perfect 10 , and Ill show you a guy who is sick of F*****g her.

  7. Trump should threaten to appoint Juanita Broaddrick should his first nomination not go through. She’d have to drop out in time, but, oh, how entertaining the hearings would be!

  8. What does it matter if it’s true? (Trump seems to have found America’s last Boy Scout.) Was Brett Kavanaugh a heterosexual high school teenager horsing around? Was there a charge of rape? Was there a charge of attempted murder? Was there any charge at all within the statute of limitations? Only recently has a permission slip with four signatures and two witnesses been required in advance to initiate conversation with the opposite sex, so there can’t have been a charge of papers not being in order.

    National death by feminism.

    • Agree: NickG, TTSSYF
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Marat


    National death by feminism.
     
    To be followed by Sharia law. Or some kind of tribal polygyny, where teen age girls are quickly assigned to a harem.

    Great grandpa was right.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Ed
    @Marat

    This is what is so maddening to me. You have “conservative” pundits like Dave French saying this is disqualifying. I’m like WTF?

    A teenage boy, that attends an all male school is horsing around with teenage girls at a co-ed party and 35 years later this can disqualify him from a job? I don’t even understand why people are even entertaining any of it. The Republicans run so scared of the press it’s pathetic. They have no inkling or care of what anyone outside the bubble thinks. Anyone hearing this outside of the beltway machine would think this is crazy. I dare say even most liberals.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist, @Nicholas Stix

  9. @Jonathan Mason
    A teenage boy apparently groped a teenage girl, or tried to, at a party a long time ago. Perhaps there was underage drinking there too.

    Many years later that boy was up for Supreme Court nomination. The girl, who was now a middle aged married woman with marital problems*, did not like his political views, insofar as she thought she knew what they were, so she came forward with this allegation in the hope that his nomination would be derailed and someone else appointed to the Supreme Court. Hell hath no fury...


    * I say this because she was in some kind of therapy in 2012 when this issue of involuntary groping came up.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    I wonder if Kavanaugh’s real offense in her eyes was that he didn’t try again.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @Diversity Heretic


    I wonder if Kavanaugh’s real offense in her eyes was that he didn’t try again.
     
    Kavanaugh’s pussyhat accuser is describing recovered memories dragged up in therapy. They are worthless. Therapists encourage their patients to tell tales. The object of therapy is to invent a narrative that makes you feel better about your sad sack life, not discover the truth - which can be devastating. And this woman must feel pathetic living in Palo Alto doing free lance research work for the last 20 years surrounded by tenured Stanford faculty and internet billionaires.

    Replies: @bomag, @Anonymous

    , @Lot
    @Diversity Heretic

    She's married with two kids to a rich pharma exec with a PhD and MS in Mechanical Engineering from Stanford.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Polynikes

  10. This is a dog whistle to Democrats and especially feminists. “Oh, can’t you see it… it’s Anita Hill and Justice Thomas all over again. Always the pure women pawed over and then ignored, always the filthy men prized and nominated.”

    It’s always echoes from the past…

    [Anita Hill:] “The reluctance of someone to come forward demonstrates that even in the #MeToo era, it remains incredibly difficult to report harassment, abuse or assault by people in power.”

    Last December, Hill received an apology from the Chairman of that infamous hearing in 1991 — former Vice President Joe Biden.

    “I wish I had been able to do more for Anita Hill. I owe her an apology,” he said.

    (Via Essence)

    Thankfully, it’s incredibly easy to report harassment, abuse and assault… anonymously.

    Anita Hill wants a process to investigate any and all such charges. Now wouldn’t that be living the dream – an endless Mueller-style investigation of every man in public life.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon7


    Anita Hill wants a process to investigate any and all such charges. Now wouldn’t that be living the dream – an endless Mueller-style investigation of every man in public life.

     

    Unless the name is Clinton. She defended him.
    , @U-Bahn
    @Anon7

    Anon7 writes


    Anita Hill wants a process to investigate any and all such charges. Now wouldn’t that
    be living the dream – an endless Mueller-style investigation of every man in public life.
     
    Hill is following the campus model. Gin up a problem and a sinecure.
  11. @Jonathan Mason
    A teenage boy apparently groped a teenage girl, or tried to, at a party a long time ago. Perhaps there was underage drinking there too.

    Many years later that boy was up for Supreme Court nomination. The girl, who was now a middle aged married woman with marital problems*, did not like his political views, insofar as she thought she knew what they were, so she came forward with this allegation in the hope that his nomination would be derailed and someone else appointed to the Supreme Court. Hell hath no fury...


    * I say this because she was in some kind of therapy in 2012 when this issue of involuntary groping came up.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    The girl, who was now a middle aged married woman with marital problems*

    Does she have children?

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Anonymous

    Two.

    https://i1.rgstatic.net/ii/profile.image/272432342761476-1441964340134_Q512/Christine_Blasey.jpg

    Replies: @Lurker

  12. It is more serious than a grope, and Kav seems to have told multiple senators, including Collins, the charge was completely false. In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy.

    She seems very credible to me, and this gives the red state Dems who voted for Gorsuch cover to vote no. That means he can only lose 2 GOP votes, which include Flake, Corker, Collins, and Murkowski.

    Before this I was betting on him getting all the GOP votes plus 4 dems. I just switched to no confirmation by Oct 31, which pays 3:2 at the moment.

    It is in Collins interest to not have to vote for him one way or another, so I expect she will push for nominating someone else.

    Too bad if I am right, as Kav seemed to be more of a restrictionist than the other frontrunners.

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @Lot

    She doesn't sound credible at all. Her statements seem wooden, cliche, contrived, even coached.

    , @newrouter
    @Lot

    "She seems very credible to me,"

    you be stuck on stupid sir!

    , @Anonymous
    @Lot


    She seems very credible to me,
     
    The evidence includes notes of her account from the therapist. The notes describe Kavanaugh's high school as "elitist." That suggests an agenda or animus beyond the scope of psychological trauma from attempted rape.

    Replies: @Olorin

    , @Noah172
    @Lot

    In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy

    Only if he had done something wrong. If he did nothing wrong at all, if he never touched or even met this woman, there is nothing for which to apologize.

    And don't be so laughably naive as to think apologizing gets anybody anything (at least, anybody who is a right-of-center white male).

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Lot

    Wow right on the heels of a random accusation of sexual assault against a prominent conservative that comes out of the blue we have Lot with his concern trolling bullshit yet again.

    , @Jack D
    @Lot


    In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy.
     
    Absolutely totally NOT in the current environment. You must be smoking crack. Thank God you are not K's advisor. The slightest admission that there is any truth to the accusation and his nomination is toast. This is how it works nowadays. His only hope is totally deny the allegation whether it is true or not. By completely denying the accusation, and given the lack of corroborating evidence (except for her bringing up a similar incident without actually naming K 30 years later) and details (she won't even say what year it was, making an alibi impossible) and together with the denial of the other man alleged to be present, it becomes he (or they) said/she said and the evidence is weak enough to at least give Republicans cover for their votes - "I evaluated the evidence and though I ALWAYS BELIEVE WOMEN, dear woman voters, in this case I didn't think there was enough evidence." But if he admits that it really happened, then it's curtains for him.


    The fact that his denial might be false is irrelevant. In a serious country, teenage hijinx should have zero relevance to a man's fitness for office 35 years later, but we no longer live in a serious country. So K is fully justified in fighting fire with fire. It's an HONOR to lie to Communists, who lie so freely themselves.

    Replies: @Federalist, @L Woods, @Dr. X, @Clyde

    , @Anonym
    @Lot

    Kav is deep state approved after his role with Vince Foster. They need a guy who knows which way the wind blows on the SC. For that reason I think he gets approved.

    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Lot

    Eunuch much? Geez. Lot. Really? There's a place I think it is called the Corner. You will be right at home there.

  13. Oh man, I was at that party!

    They way I remember it, she was stumbling drunk, the guys took her to the bedroom so she could lie down (after puking), and they all fell on the bed laughing. Then she hurled again, and somebody took her home.

    Yea, yea, 40 years ago, but I remember it like it was yesterday.

    • LOL: fish
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @theMann

    So, LOT, you "assume" she is telling the truth? After 36 years of the so-called happening, and six years re: her counseling, and the fact that she is not sure what year it happened, you tend to believe her. Sorry, it is just another ploy to deter the acceptance of Brett Kavanaugh. The Democrats are doing everything and pulling every stunt possible to avoid the acceptance of his being on the Supreme Court. What I do not understand with most of these accusations, particularly in the case of Kavanaugh, that nothing has been brought up about them all the years after. To be truthful, I would think that almost every woman has been accosted, as I also was. I was not raped but there were unwanted advances to which my answer was always "no". If there had been an incident of minor unwanted groping or touching, I certainly would not broadcast it against a man 36 years later. It could have been a one-time wrong sense of judgment and since it wasn't rape should have been forgotten. To have a vendetta against a family man who has an impeccable record is grossly unfair. In unfair cases such as this, my heart goes out to the wives and children of these men. These women have no regard for the embarrassment this causes the family. Shame on these women for disrupting lives so they can get a little exposure and possibly money. Shame on them, and shame on you, LOT, for defending this woman. But then again, that is your right; my apology.

  14. If I’m a Dem strategist, I’m lining up volunteers to complain on record, with witnesses, about the most powerful conservative men and women in Washington. How many is that? 1,000? 2,ooo?

    Then, you just pull out the record whenever you need to. Boom, destroyed.

    • Replies: @Buford
    @Anon

    I remember when the Judge tried to hold hands with a female that was in his class while in the third grade. The teacher made the girl go stand in the closet for refusing his advances. The teacher by the way was a male. When the girl did get out of the closet she admitted that she was a lesbian and that is why she refused his unwelcome advances.

  15. @Diversity Heretic
    @Jonathan Mason

    I wonder if Kavanaugh's real offense in her eyes was that he didn't try again.

    Replies: @JimB, @Lot

    I wonder if Kavanaugh’s real offense in her eyes was that he didn’t try again.

    Kavanaugh’s pussyhat accuser is describing recovered memories dragged up in therapy. They are worthless. Therapists encourage their patients to tell tales. The object of therapy is to invent a narrative that makes you feel better about your sad sack life, not discover the truth – which can be devastating. And this woman must feel pathetic living in Palo Alto doing free lance research work for the last 20 years surrounded by tenured Stanford faculty and internet billionaires.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @JimB


    ...recovered memories dragged up in therapy. They are worthless.
     
    And here we have a middle aged woman recalling teenage years in service to a narrative; about the sketchiest thing in the galaxy.
    , @Anonymous
    @JimB

    According to information from Lot, she has a very good life:


    She’s married with two kids to a rich pharma exec with a PhD and MS in Mechanical Engineering from Stanford.
     

    Replies: @Clyde, @JimB

  16. Not buying it.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @Anonymous

    Has anyone else picked up on the fact that she’s had a nose job?

    , @Olorin
    @Anonymous

    Is that her high school graduation portrait from Holton-Arms? (Jackie Bouvier's alma mater as well.)

    If so, it would appear that she took Inveniam viam aut faciam literally, eh?

    From her Wikipedia entry (my bold):


    Ford "specializes in designing statistical models for research projects in order to make sure they come to accurate conclusions," as summarized by Helena Chmura Kraemer, a Stanford professor emeritus in biostatistics who co-authored a book and several articles with Ford.
     
    http://archive.is/6T2Dg

    If you dig into her and Kraemer's work you find a mess of autistically geeky consideration of statistical methods in the social sciences (especially the Brave New World of biomedical). One of Kraemer's favorite topics is criticism of p-values on the grounds they usually are reported without confidence intervals (etc.), and the importance of sample size to research method chosen.

    What I'm finding interesting here is the massive chasm of Truth Test between two quant chicks who assert that "most research is inaccurate" because it fails various stats tests...and an assertion of teenage behavioral malfeasance some 40 years ago as possessing automatic, eternal, not-to-be-doubted veracity, with automatic, eternal, not-to-be-questioned effects...

    ...without any of the otherwise demanded quant tests like precision of estimation, consideration of confidence intervals, and such. Demanded, that is, where your and my and our families' medical care is in play.

    After all, these are the grounds upon which Kraemer advises Pharma on how to wring the most money out of treatments for various diseases...or minimize some treatments whose low statistical probability of success indicate "less efficient use of public health dollars." Or even define or redefine diagnostic categories in line with what is more or less lucrative or PC.

    Kraemer's also big into statistical methods for central database management in "health" "care." I.e., Big Mother knowing more about your own biology than you ever will, and monetarizing it as she sees fit, having first made sure her conclusions are accurate by her own definition.

    http://grantome.com/[email protected]%20%20Helena%20Kraemer

    Let none of this lead you to forget that these high-powered elite autists who demand such quanty precision when advising the DSM-V or helping Pharma build research programs or surveillance databases...

    ...are such fragile little Victorian flowers that any misunderstanding around teenage human mating or interaction behaviors is a major crisis whose only possible resolution is allowing them to ruin any career they see fit with epistolary drama peddled to the prurient MSM.

    Let that sink in. The same females who are irreversibly traumatized for life (we're told) over not having known/ been properly instructed in how to handle peer interaction at age 15 at or around their top-tier prep school...

    ...today have major responsibility for and power over the statistical methods and diagnostic categories by which your, your family's, and your friends' mental and physical health are defined, investigated, monetarized, and treatment allowed or denied.

    THAT is what is in play here. No matter how much power they get over the lives and deaths of you, me, and our families, it's never enough.

    Now shut up, and hang the white male. Of whom she is basically accusing of going partway with her and then not marrying her.

  17. @Diversity Heretic
    @Jonathan Mason

    I wonder if Kavanaugh's real offense in her eyes was that he didn't try again.

    Replies: @JimB, @Lot

    She’s married with two kids to a rich pharma exec with a PhD and MS in Mechanical Engineering from Stanford.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Lot

    I wonder why hubby didn't tell her to STFU and let bygone gropes let bygone gropes.

    Playing mentally challenged rape victim is stylish nowadays, but this is taking it up a level.

    Why doesn't hubby die of shame?

    , @Polynikes
    @Lot

    Pretty pedestrian compared to a Supreme Court Judge.

  18. @Lot
    It is more serious than a grope, and Kav seems to have told multiple senators, including Collins, the charge was completely false. In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy.

    She seems very credible to me, and this gives the red state Dems who voted for Gorsuch cover to vote no. That means he can only lose 2 GOP votes, which include Flake, Corker, Collins, and Murkowski.

    Before this I was betting on him getting all the GOP votes plus 4 dems. I just switched to no confirmation by Oct 31, which pays 3:2 at the moment.

    It is in Collins interest to not have to vote for him one way or another, so I expect she will push for nominating someone else.

    Too bad if I am right, as Kav seemed to be more of a restrictionist than the other frontrunners.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @newrouter, @Anonymous, @Noah172, @Jack Hanson, @Jack D, @Anonym, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    She doesn’t sound credible at all. Her statements seem wooden, cliche, contrived, even coached.

  19. @Anonymous
    Show me the (cis) man, I'll show you the (sex) crime

    Replies: @Anon

    A much older friend of mine told me a similar quip , many years ago :

    Show me a perfect 10 , and Ill show you a guy who is sick of F*****g her.

  20. She was snubbed by Kavanaugh, his booze hound buddy, or another kid who was friends with the two of them. The get-together was small, so she went to the alcohol-available party, violating her parents’ general prohibition, because the boy she liked would be accessible at this small party. Nervous suburban girls don’t like being snubbed, especially when the boy in a girl’s sights changed his mind about the girl’s attractiveness after beer #7.

  21. @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason


    The girl, who was now a middle aged married woman with marital problems*
     
    Does she have children?

    Replies: @Lot

    Two.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Lot

    Im sorry, I can't help but be reminded of this:

    https://goo.gl/images/EFMxC5

    Replies: @Lot

  22. Her story, told for the first time during couples therapy in 2012:

    She was at a party in a suburban house consisting of her and four high school boys (BK, MJ and two other names she gave to the Washington Post).

    She doesn’t remember exactly when or where it was, not even really sure of which year. It was a summer in the early 1980s. She was around 15 years old.

    Two of the boys were stumbling drunk. As she headed up some stairs to a bathroom, one of them (BK) pushed her into a bedroom and was accompanied by his friend (MJ).

    They locked the door. They turned the music up so no one could hear her screams. (Wait, wut? The music was playing in the bedroom, and not down where the party was?)

    BK jumped on top of her. Both BK and MJ were laughing. BK tried to disrobe her and put his hand over her mouth. MJ jumped on top of them on the bed, toppling the three of them.

    BK and MJ then started scrapping with each other, which provided her the opportunity to make her getaway. She fled to the bathroom, locking the door behind her. Then she made a run for it out of the house and back home.

    She never mentioned a thing about it to her friends. (As we know, 15-year old high school girls are notoriously taciturn and prone to keep secrets to themselves.)

    While she doesn’t remember when or where it happened, not even sure of which summer, nevertheless the event was so meaningful that she says it derailed her life for four or five years afterward.

    She does, however, remember the names of all four boys who were at this five-person party.

    Next revelation: the other two boys named will come forward and give their accounts.

    My guess: the other two boys at the party will be revealed as Congressman Adam Schiff and Media Matters founder David Brock, who will be called to give their testimony, conclusively settling the matter of exactly what happened.

    Question: Does any permanent good ever come of couples therapy? Or does it provide merely a temporary and apparent resolution, but in fact generating even more resentment and ammunition for eventual use in the future?

    • LOL: Daniel H
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Achilles


    While she doesn’t remember when or where it happened, not even sure of which summer, nevertheless the event was so meaningful that she says it derailed her life for four or five years afterward.

    She does, however, remember the names of all four boys who were at this five-person party.
     
    Suddenly Last Summer
    , @CAL2
    @Achilles

    She said the unsubstantiated therapist notes are incorrect and there were only two guys. Of course if there were only two guys why did they need to turn up the music? Unless the therapist notes meant four guys total and she meant only two guys in the room.

    We have a woman who remembered something in therapy, can't remember exactly when or where. No one has seen the notes except the WaPo.

    Replies: @Jack D

  23. Show me the police report or there’s nothing to talk about.

  24. So, this whole incident establishes the playbook for torpedoing ANY male nominee for high office in the future.

    Note that the woman did not name Kavanaugh when she told her therapist about this attack. So here is how you do a distributed denial of service on all future male (Republican) nominees for office: ideologically motivated women (ideally ones from relatively elite zip codes, since that is where most nominees for high office come from) go to their therapists and make claims of being assaulted in high school by “someone in elite Republican circles” (don’t get more specific than that). Ideally these claims would be made to the therapist when the woman is in her 40s or 50s…far enough away from the incident that she won’t be blamed for not pursuing legal satisfaction, but early enough that her contemporaries probably won’t be taking high office yet.

    Now, when someone from the “bad guys” team gets nominated for high office, you come forward with claims of assault, and offer as “proof” the 30-years-after-the-fact claim you made to your therapist that conveniently doesn’t name names.

    Seriously, why wouldn’t *every* ideologically motivated leftist woman go to their therapist *now* and get it on the record that they were assaulted by some unnamed Republican elite?

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @Space Ghost

    >>So, this whole incident establishes the playbook for torpedoing ANY male nominee for high office in the future.

    This incident establishes the playbook for torpedoing any REPUBLICAN male nominee for high office in the future.

    If the Republicans cuck out to this they are useless, write them off.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax

  25. @Marat
    What does it matter if it's true? (Trump seems to have found America's last Boy Scout.) Was Brett Kavanaugh a heterosexual high school teenager horsing around? Was there a charge of rape? Was there a charge of attempted murder? Was there any charge at all within the statute of limitations? Only recently has a permission slip with four signatures and two witnesses been required in advance to initiate conversation with the opposite sex, so there can't have been a charge of papers not being in order.

    National death by feminism.

    Replies: @bomag, @Ed

    National death by feminism.

    To be followed by Sharia law. Or some kind of tribal polygyny, where teen age girls are quickly assigned to a harem.

    Great grandpa was right.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @bomag

    Great grandpa was right.

    What did your great grandpa say?

    Replies: @moshe, @Diversity Heretic, @bomag

  26. @JimB
    @Diversity Heretic


    I wonder if Kavanaugh’s real offense in her eyes was that he didn’t try again.
     
    Kavanaugh’s pussyhat accuser is describing recovered memories dragged up in therapy. They are worthless. Therapists encourage their patients to tell tales. The object of therapy is to invent a narrative that makes you feel better about your sad sack life, not discover the truth - which can be devastating. And this woman must feel pathetic living in Palo Alto doing free lance research work for the last 20 years surrounded by tenured Stanford faculty and internet billionaires.

    Replies: @bomag, @Anonymous

    …recovered memories dragged up in therapy. They are worthless.

    And here we have a middle aged woman recalling teenage years in service to a narrative; about the sketchiest thing in the galaxy.

  27. There should be a glass table somewhere in this story.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    @Anonym

    And on the Extended iSteve Universe mural.

  28. istevefan says:

    Well, it worked against Roy Moore so why not try it again. I recall some of us were concerned last fall about the accusations against Moore. Though he may not have been a sympathetic figure to many people on this blog, you didn’t have to be a prophet to know the democrats and MSM would trot this stuff out again.

    My surprise so far is that it has been trotted out against a SC nominee which I had not anticipated. I figured it would happen to some GOP senate candidate. As a resident of Missouri I am still counting on Josh Hawley to be similarly accused some time in October. Claire is desperate.

    • Replies: @Noah172
    @istevefan

    Um, it happened to Clarence Thomas, in very much this way (hearings were over, Anita Hill communicated with Democrats but allegedly wanted to stay anonymous, a Democratic Senator leaked her name to the press, and you should remember the rest).

    And don't think the Democrats won't pull this dirty pool on Republican Senate candidates. The Roy Moore stuff came out five weeks before his election. We are seven weeks away from the midterms.

    Hawley, Braun, Cramer, Rick Scott, and especially Ted Cruz... watch your backs.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @Chief Seattle
    @istevefan

    I don't disagree that this is Dem / media playbook to tarnish someone they don't like. Or that the Republicans may cuck out. However, the accusation so far is significantly less damning than the Roy Moore business. In his case, the accusation was that a man in his early thirties was fairly systematically hitting up fairly young teen girls, using the power of his DA office to impress them. That's creepy if true, and something that would make him a bit of a freak. The accusation that BK got drunk in his teens and a bit pushy with a girl in his cohort and social circle is quite a bit different. Even if it was true, they were both minors, neither was in a position of power, and whatever did happen didn't come close to rape. Sure, the Dems and media can use the megaphone to make our imaginations fill in the worst, but the average person hears this, adjusts for bad memories and teen hormones, and likely shrugs it off.

    Replies: @istevefan, @Precious, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @L Woods

  29. @Achilles
    Her story, told for the first time during couples therapy in 2012:

    She was at a party in a suburban house consisting of her and four high school boys (BK, MJ and two other names she gave to the Washington Post).

    She doesn't remember exactly when or where it was, not even really sure of which year. It was a summer in the early 1980s. She was around 15 years old.

    Two of the boys were stumbling drunk. As she headed up some stairs to a bathroom, one of them (BK) pushed her into a bedroom and was accompanied by his friend (MJ).

    They locked the door. They turned the music up so no one could hear her screams. (Wait, wut? The music was playing in the bedroom, and not down where the party was?)

    BK jumped on top of her. Both BK and MJ were laughing. BK tried to disrobe her and put his hand over her mouth. MJ jumped on top of them on the bed, toppling the three of them.

    BK and MJ then started scrapping with each other, which provided her the opportunity to make her getaway. She fled to the bathroom, locking the door behind her. Then she made a run for it out of the house and back home.

    She never mentioned a thing about it to her friends. (As we know, 15-year old high school girls are notoriously taciturn and prone to keep secrets to themselves.)

    While she doesn't remember when or where it happened, not even sure of which summer, nevertheless the event was so meaningful that she says it derailed her life for four or five years afterward.

    She does, however, remember the names of all four boys who were at this five-person party.

    Next revelation: the other two boys named will come forward and give their accounts.

    My guess: the other two boys at the party will be revealed as Congressman Adam Schiff and Media Matters founder David Brock, who will be called to give their testimony, conclusively settling the matter of exactly what happened.

    Question: Does any permanent good ever come of couples therapy? Or does it provide merely a temporary and apparent resolution, but in fact generating even more resentment and ammunition for eventual use in the future?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @CAL2

    While she doesn’t remember when or where it happened, not even sure of which summer, nevertheless the event was so meaningful that she says it derailed her life for four or five years afterward.

    She does, however, remember the names of all four boys who were at this five-person party.

    Suddenly Last Summer

  30. @Lot
    It is more serious than a grope, and Kav seems to have told multiple senators, including Collins, the charge was completely false. In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy.

    She seems very credible to me, and this gives the red state Dems who voted for Gorsuch cover to vote no. That means he can only lose 2 GOP votes, which include Flake, Corker, Collins, and Murkowski.

    Before this I was betting on him getting all the GOP votes plus 4 dems. I just switched to no confirmation by Oct 31, which pays 3:2 at the moment.

    It is in Collins interest to not have to vote for him one way or another, so I expect she will push for nominating someone else.

    Too bad if I am right, as Kav seemed to be more of a restrictionist than the other frontrunners.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @newrouter, @Anonymous, @Noah172, @Jack Hanson, @Jack D, @Anonym, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    “She seems very credible to me,”

    you be stuck on stupid sir!

  31. @JimB
    @Diversity Heretic


    I wonder if Kavanaugh’s real offense in her eyes was that he didn’t try again.
     
    Kavanaugh’s pussyhat accuser is describing recovered memories dragged up in therapy. They are worthless. Therapists encourage their patients to tell tales. The object of therapy is to invent a narrative that makes you feel better about your sad sack life, not discover the truth - which can be devastating. And this woman must feel pathetic living in Palo Alto doing free lance research work for the last 20 years surrounded by tenured Stanford faculty and internet billionaires.

    Replies: @bomag, @Anonymous

    According to information from Lot, she has a very good life:

    She’s married with two kids to a rich pharma exec with a PhD and MS in Mechanical Engineering from Stanford.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Anonymous

    Zillow says she lives in a 3.5 million dollar house in Palo Alto. Someone posted her address and other info on Breitbart.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @JimB
    @Anonymous

    Do they rent or own?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  32. @Desiderius
    There’s a 2012 New Yorker article that identifies Kav as most likely Romney nominee with the usual hysteria catnip for progtards like the accuser.

    Replies: @Lugash

    Yep. A quick trip to the therapist for documentation, then sit on the accusation until it’s convenient.

  33. If the cucks, predictably, cuck to the revolutionary left, Trump’s response should be to nominate an even more reactionary, hardcore right winger with no bullshit Ivy League swamp trail. An absolute unknown not born to privilege with a law degree from Flyover State and 45 years old, and one giant chip on his shoulder.

    No surrender.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Shingas the Terrible

    Absolutely. Make the Democrats wish they had approved Kavanaugh.

    , @Anonymous
    @Shingas the Terrible

    After this rehashed high-tech lynching I say screw it, it's time for Trump to execute Order 66, i.e. announce the nomination of Amy Wax

  34. @Anonym
    There should be a glass table somewhere in this story.

    Replies: @Lugash

    And on the Extended iSteve Universe mural.

  35. If Kavanaugh really did this to Christine Blasey then who cares. This was drunken high school hi-jinx. All Kavanugh got out of it was some clumsy feels through her clothing. But libs are able to inflate this being as bad as real rape? Seems to me.
    The pussy hat brigades have ruined many liberal male careers in Hollyweird and beyond. Now they want a Republican scalp.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Clyde


    If Kavanaugh really did this to Christine Blasey then who cares. This was drunken high school hi-jinx. All Kavanugh got out of it was some clumsy feels through her clothing. But libs are able to inflate this being as bad as real rape?
     
    Blasey said the incident left her traumatized for 4-5 years.

    Replies: @Anthony Wayne, @El Dato

    , @istevefan
    @Clyde

    I wonder when we will get some guy to come forward who claims that Kavanaugh, or fill in the blank, beat them up in high school. Copping a feel at a party is definitely less harmful to someone's psyche than kicking their ass in public. Getting your butt thoroughly kicked by someone in front of your peers can cost you your social standing in high school.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Lot

  36. Her not being able to remember the year is suspicious, to say the least. It wouldn’t be suspicious if it had happened when she was in her thirties, but you have a clear chronological memory of your teenage years, especially when it comes to things that were unusual or disturbing. But I suppose next she’ll say she suppressed the memory. The accused can’t win in these cases.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @Rob McX


    Her not being able to remember the year is suspicious, to say the least.
     
    I had a bad event happen to me when I was under 8 years of age. I can't say for sure when it happened, though I can nail it down to one year, plus or minus one year. Even though this was a significant event, I just can't pin it down to the exact day, though I do know the place.

    However, when it comes to stuff that happened in high school, I can at least recall whether it was freshman, sophomore, etc. year. And for the most part I can recall whether an event happened in the fall or spring semester.
    , @Marat
    @Rob McX

    Can't be proven. Can't be disproved. The original "he said, she said" character assassination routine was laid out by the Rosa Parks of #MeToo, Anita. Hollywood codified it.

    Then: Coke cans, pubic hair, sad jokes, ruffled feathers, "I believe Anita" and no crime - and the best Justice on the Bench!

    Now: Still no crime.

  37. @Lot
    It is more serious than a grope, and Kav seems to have told multiple senators, including Collins, the charge was completely false. In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy.

    She seems very credible to me, and this gives the red state Dems who voted for Gorsuch cover to vote no. That means he can only lose 2 GOP votes, which include Flake, Corker, Collins, and Murkowski.

    Before this I was betting on him getting all the GOP votes plus 4 dems. I just switched to no confirmation by Oct 31, which pays 3:2 at the moment.

    It is in Collins interest to not have to vote for him one way or another, so I expect she will push for nominating someone else.

    Too bad if I am right, as Kav seemed to be more of a restrictionist than the other frontrunners.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @newrouter, @Anonymous, @Noah172, @Jack Hanson, @Jack D, @Anonym, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    She seems very credible to me,

    The evidence includes notes of her account from the therapist. The notes describe Kavanaugh’s high school as “elitist.” That suggests an agenda or animus beyond the scope of psychological trauma from attempted rape.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Anonymous

    Agree.

    For 2018-19, Holton-Arms (Ford's school) charges $42,975 for tuition. That includes meals, but nothing else.

    Their touted figure of "40% diversity" appears to be mainly Chinese.

    https://www.holton-arms.edu/about/diversity

    This girls' school sits on nearly 60 acres of wooded land in Bethesda, an already massively upscale burg/area that went 75% for Hillary.

    Holton-Arms's slice of Bethesda is the 20817 ZIP, 90% white and Asian, 3% black. Enjoy looking at various data points for this ZIP, like the "likely homosexual households" (.49%) and the heat map of housing values (over $1.5 m).

    http://www.city-data.com/city/Bethesda-Maryland.html

    Point being that from where I sit the school looks pretty elitist.

    But somehow girls who attend elitist schools and move into elitist jobs doing elitist work are always victims, while boys who travel in similarly elite circles are always aggressors.

    True fact: the waterway that runs just to the east of Holton-Arms's campus is called Booze Creek. I'm sure there were never any jokes about that among the high school-age girls who at age 15 located themselves in rooms with beds and multiple boys whom they recognized as tipsy.

  38. @bomag
    @Marat


    National death by feminism.
     
    To be followed by Sharia law. Or some kind of tribal polygyny, where teen age girls are quickly assigned to a harem.

    Great grandpa was right.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Great grandpa was right.

    What did your great grandpa say?

    • Replies: @moshe
    @Anonymous

    ...that your great grandma touched his wee wee

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Anonymous

    Don't know what bomag's great-grandfather said, but Otto von Bismarck summarized the best societal roles of women as Kueche, Kinder und Kirche, kitchen, children, and church. Letting women have substantial influence in politics, and letting them into the workplace have been societal disasters.

    Replies: @Simply Simon, @Corvinus

    , @bomag
    @Anonymous

    What did your great grandpa say?

    A general reference to the traditional values of his day; before the vote, feminism, etc.

  39. Anonymous[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde
    If Kavanaugh really did this to Christine Blasey then who cares. This was drunken high school hi-jinx. All Kavanugh got out of it was some clumsy feels through her clothing. But libs are able to inflate this being as bad as real rape? Seems to me.
    The pussy hat brigades have ruined many liberal male careers in Hollyweird and beyond. Now they want a Republican scalp.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @istevefan

    If Kavanaugh really did this to Christine Blasey then who cares. This was drunken high school hi-jinx. All Kavanugh got out of it was some clumsy feels through her clothing. But libs are able to inflate this being as bad as real rape?

    Blasey said the incident left her traumatized for 4-5 years.

    • Replies: @Anthony Wayne
    @Anonymous

    And you buy that, on top of the story?

    , @El Dato
  40. In a sane and non-clown world, this would be the premise of a SNL sketch starring Kevin Nelson- “Britt McTavish, Billboard Hot 100 Detective”:

    Accuser: “I remember it like it was yesterday. It was 1982 about 10pm, at a house party. Brett Kavanaugh turned up the TV so that Flock of Seagulls’ “I Ran” music video would drown out my screams-”

    Britt McTavish, Billboard Hot 100 Detective: “Wrong! It is true ”I Ran” was released in 1982, and yes it was in MTV music video rotation that year. But this hot-n-heavy teen house party would have had to have been after Thanksgiving break, as it was only then that MTV played the video before midnight, while you said the party was around Halloween as everyone was in costume. You are a liar!”

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Abe

    That's pretty good. I can hardly now recall that we had a time when things like the timing of I Ran might be forgotten. Time to go listen to Space Age Love Song.

  41. istevefan says:
    @Clyde
    If Kavanaugh really did this to Christine Blasey then who cares. This was drunken high school hi-jinx. All Kavanugh got out of it was some clumsy feels through her clothing. But libs are able to inflate this being as bad as real rape? Seems to me.
    The pussy hat brigades have ruined many liberal male careers in Hollyweird and beyond. Now they want a Republican scalp.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @istevefan

    I wonder when we will get some guy to come forward who claims that Kavanaugh, or fill in the blank, beat them up in high school. Copping a feel at a party is definitely less harmful to someone’s psyche than kicking their ass in public. Getting your butt thoroughly kicked by someone in front of your peers can cost you your social standing in high school.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @istevefan

    That’s not the party line in Anglo-American culture. Here, having your titty groped entitles you to greater victim points than surviving the gulag, or even being murdered. American attitudes towards female sexuality are raving insane.

    , @Lot
    @istevefan

    I think the exact question for the various Senators who voted for Gorsuch but are undecided here is not whether this type of incident is disqualifying, but whether Kav lied to them about it.

    They may see it differently, but it isn't just he said she said. Judge denies it, her husband and therapist corroborated that she told them of his 6 years ago. Finally, Judge wrote a book a while ago about being a drunk in high school and mentions Kav getting puke-in-car drunk with him.

    For others, especially the red state dems, the question is whether they now have a free pass on what was looking to be a no-win vote.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Jack Hanson, @Noah172, @istevefan

  42. @Anonymous
    @bomag

    Great grandpa was right.

    What did your great grandpa say?

    Replies: @moshe, @Diversity Heretic, @bomag

    …that your great grandma touched his wee wee

  43. @Lot
    It is more serious than a grope, and Kav seems to have told multiple senators, including Collins, the charge was completely false. In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy.

    She seems very credible to me, and this gives the red state Dems who voted for Gorsuch cover to vote no. That means he can only lose 2 GOP votes, which include Flake, Corker, Collins, and Murkowski.

    Before this I was betting on him getting all the GOP votes plus 4 dems. I just switched to no confirmation by Oct 31, which pays 3:2 at the moment.

    It is in Collins interest to not have to vote for him one way or another, so I expect she will push for nominating someone else.

    Too bad if I am right, as Kav seemed to be more of a restrictionist than the other frontrunners.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @newrouter, @Anonymous, @Noah172, @Jack Hanson, @Jack D, @Anonym, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy

    Only if he had done something wrong. If he did nothing wrong at all, if he never touched or even met this woman, there is nothing for which to apologize.

    And don’t be so laughably naive as to think apologizing gets anybody anything (at least, anybody who is a right-of-center white male).

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Noah172

    Under the current SJW order, an apology from a badwhite is a confession of guilt. The apology helps justify the punishment. It buys no forgiveness.

    Replies: @L Woods

  44. istevefan says:
    @Rob McX
    Her not being able to remember the year is suspicious, to say the least. It wouldn't be suspicious if it had happened when she was in her thirties, but you have a clear chronological memory of your teenage years, especially when it comes to things that were unusual or disturbing. But I suppose next she'll say she suppressed the memory. The accused can't win in these cases.

    Replies: @istevefan, @Marat

    Her not being able to remember the year is suspicious, to say the least.

    I had a bad event happen to me when I was under 8 years of age. I can’t say for sure when it happened, though I can nail it down to one year, plus or minus one year. Even though this was a significant event, I just can’t pin it down to the exact day, though I do know the place.

    However, when it comes to stuff that happened in high school, I can at least recall whether it was freshman, sophomore, etc. year. And for the most part I can recall whether an event happened in the fall or spring semester.

  45. @Space Ghost
    So, this whole incident establishes the playbook for torpedoing ANY male nominee for high office in the future.

    Note that the woman did not name Kavanaugh when she told her therapist about this attack. So here is how you do a distributed denial of service on all future male (Republican) nominees for office: ideologically motivated women (ideally ones from relatively elite zip codes, since that is where most nominees for high office come from) go to their therapists and make claims of being assaulted in high school by "someone in elite Republican circles" (don't get more specific than that). Ideally these claims would be made to the therapist when the woman is in her 40s or 50s...far enough away from the incident that she won't be blamed for not pursuing legal satisfaction, but early enough that her contemporaries probably won't be taking high office yet.

    Now, when someone from the "bad guys" team gets nominated for high office, you come forward with claims of assault, and offer as "proof" the 30-years-after-the-fact claim you made to your therapist that conveniently doesn't name names.

    Seriously, why wouldn't *every* ideologically motivated leftist woman go to their therapist *now* and get it on the record that they were assaulted by some unnamed Republican elite?

    Replies: @Daniel H

    >>So, this whole incident establishes the playbook for torpedoing ANY male nominee for high office in the future.

    This incident establishes the playbook for torpedoing any REPUBLICAN male nominee for high office in the future.

    If the Republicans cuck out to this they are useless, write them off.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Daniel H

    The media decides which torpedoes are deadly and which are duds.

  46. @istevefan
    Well, it worked against Roy Moore so why not try it again. I recall some of us were concerned last fall about the accusations against Moore. Though he may not have been a sympathetic figure to many people on this blog, you didn't have to be a prophet to know the democrats and MSM would trot this stuff out again.

    My surprise so far is that it has been trotted out against a SC nominee which I had not anticipated. I figured it would happen to some GOP senate candidate. As a resident of Missouri I am still counting on Josh Hawley to be similarly accused some time in October. Claire is desperate.

    Replies: @Noah172, @Chief Seattle

    Um, it happened to Clarence Thomas, in very much this way (hearings were over, Anita Hill communicated with Democrats but allegedly wanted to stay anonymous, a Democratic Senator leaked her name to the press, and you should remember the rest).

    And don’t think the Democrats won’t pull this dirty pool on Republican Senate candidates. The Roy Moore stuff came out five weeks before his election. We are seven weeks away from the midterms.

    Hawley, Braun, Cramer, Rick Scott, and especially Ted Cruz… watch your backs.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Noah172

    Hill communicated with Democrats but allegedly wanted to stay anonymous

    Hard to believe. She obviously revels in the celebrity she achieved in the hearings. What would she ever have amounted to without it? The Left looks after its own.

    Replies: @Noah172

  47. @istevefan
    @Clyde

    I wonder when we will get some guy to come forward who claims that Kavanaugh, or fill in the blank, beat them up in high school. Copping a feel at a party is definitely less harmful to someone's psyche than kicking their ass in public. Getting your butt thoroughly kicked by someone in front of your peers can cost you your social standing in high school.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Lot

    That’s not the party line in Anglo-American culture. Here, having your titty groped entitles you to greater victim points than surviving the gulag, or even being murdered. American attitudes towards female sexuality are raving insane.

  48. @Anonymous
    @Clyde


    If Kavanaugh really did this to Christine Blasey then who cares. This was drunken high school hi-jinx. All Kavanugh got out of it was some clumsy feels through her clothing. But libs are able to inflate this being as bad as real rape?
     
    Blasey said the incident left her traumatized for 4-5 years.

    Replies: @Anthony Wayne, @El Dato

    And you buy that, on top of the story?

  49. Somehow, Steve manages to have some of the best, AND, some of the worst commenters of all the internets. Amazing really.

    • Agree: ic1000
  50. @Rob McX
    Her not being able to remember the year is suspicious, to say the least. It wouldn't be suspicious if it had happened when she was in her thirties, but you have a clear chronological memory of your teenage years, especially when it comes to things that were unusual or disturbing. But I suppose next she'll say she suppressed the memory. The accused can't win in these cases.

    Replies: @istevefan, @Marat

    Can’t be proven. Can’t be disproved. The original “he said, she said” character assassination routine was laid out by the Rosa Parks of #MeToo, Anita. Hollywood codified it.

    Then: Coke cans, pubic hair, sad jokes, ruffled feathers, “I believe Anita” and no crime – and the best Justice on the Bench!

    Now: Still no crime.

  51. @Anonymous
    @JimB

    According to information from Lot, she has a very good life:


    She’s married with two kids to a rich pharma exec with a PhD and MS in Mechanical Engineering from Stanford.
     

    Replies: @Clyde, @JimB

    Zillow says she lives in a 3.5 million dollar house in Palo Alto. Someone posted her address and other info on Breitbart.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Clyde

    What does $3.5 million get you in Palo Alto: 2100 square feet?

    Replies: @Clyde

  52. @Noah172
    @Lot

    In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy

    Only if he had done something wrong. If he did nothing wrong at all, if he never touched or even met this woman, there is nothing for which to apologize.

    And don't be so laughably naive as to think apologizing gets anybody anything (at least, anybody who is a right-of-center white male).

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Under the current SJW order, an apology from a badwhite is a confession of guilt. The apology helps justify the punishment. It buys no forgiveness.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Harry Baldwin

    And yet, they keep apologizing. It’s amazing.

  53. I don’t get her claim she doesn’t remember the year.

    Kavanaugh was 17, she apparently claimed, and she was 15.

    How is figuring out the year anything more than arithmetic?

    Is she not even certain how old she was, or how old Kavanaugh was?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @candid_observer


    How is figuring out the year anything more than arithmetic?

     

    Hey, arithmetic is hard. Cf.Barbie.

    Franklin Roosevelt was famously confused by the number nine. Younger commenters here often damn "boomers" for policies enacted before they reached voting age. Which was generally 21, "back in the day".
  54. @Noah172
    @istevefan

    Um, it happened to Clarence Thomas, in very much this way (hearings were over, Anita Hill communicated with Democrats but allegedly wanted to stay anonymous, a Democratic Senator leaked her name to the press, and you should remember the rest).

    And don't think the Democrats won't pull this dirty pool on Republican Senate candidates. The Roy Moore stuff came out five weeks before his election. We are seven weeks away from the midterms.

    Hawley, Braun, Cramer, Rick Scott, and especially Ted Cruz... watch your backs.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Hill communicated with Democrats but allegedly wanted to stay anonymous

    Hard to believe. She obviously revels in the celebrity she achieved in the hearings. What would she ever have amounted to without it? The Left looks after its own.

    • Replies: @Noah172
    @Harry Baldwin

    I'm not saying Hill was honest. I'm just recounting how it went down -- just like this thing with Kav is going down. Hill was not known to the public until Democratic Senator Howard Metzenbaum disclosed her name.

    As for the benefits to this new accuser, I fully expect a GoFundMe to pop up, a book deal, job offers, maybe even a run for Congress when Congresslady Eshoo (in office since 1993) retires or dies.

  55. @Anonymous
    @JimB

    According to information from Lot, she has a very good life:


    She’s married with two kids to a rich pharma exec with a PhD and MS in Mechanical Engineering from Stanford.
     

    Replies: @Clyde, @JimB

    Do they rent or own?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JimB

    Doesn't matter. She has two kids, a college education, a career, and is married to a man who has a substantial income. That puts her in the 99th percentile of women. How many college educated women nowadays even have two kids and are married? Not a lot.

    Replies: @JimB

  56. It’s particularly hard to credit her poor memory for details such as the year of the assault when she claims to be by profession a statistician for Christ’s sake — with a Ph.D., I believe.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @candid_observer

    Could it be that Ford was drunk and made a fool out of herself, groping someone at the party, not necessarily Kavanaugh, and that she got rebuffed for being fat. So she flipped the narrative to make herself look like the object of desire? Catholic school boys were pretty picky back in the early eighties, because they could be. I don’t think Ol’ Thunder thighs had a chance with him. (I saw the photo: she’s a porker.)

    Replies: @Travis, @anonymous

  57. @Clyde
    @Anonymous

    Zillow says she lives in a 3.5 million dollar house in Palo Alto. Someone posted her address and other info on Breitbart.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    What does $3.5 million get you in Palo Alto: 2100 square feet?

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Steve Sailer

    You are on the money.
    Christine Blasey Ford's house is >>>>>
    xxxxxx is a single family home of 2,213 sqft on a lot of 7,000 sqft (or 0.16 acres).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @slumber_j

  58. CNN has the full letter to DiFi, with names redacted. (Although we know one of them, Judge, the alleged accomplice.)

    Letter says:

    I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see REDACTED once at the REDACTED where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me.

    So there is something perhaps verifiable that (presumably) well postdates the alleged incident. Accuser says she ran into someone else who was at the party (Judge?) at some later event. Another high school thing? A professional conference? If we can prove whether or not she ran into so-and-so at such-and-such place and time, that would give more context to her credibility. (Also, if we find some evidence she did meet Kav after the alleged incident, that would undermine her credibility.)

    We also now know her girls’ school in Bethesda. Guaranteed classmates are going to come out of the woodwork.

  59. Serious question: Is there any act or omission that would be unjustified if it served to prevent a Second Holocaust?

    • LOL: L Woods
  60. • Replies: @ben tillman
    @MEH 0910

    Point of fact: It was not an article in which "a woman claimed she had been raped". It was an article in which another woman was the author and made all the claims.

  61. @Harry Baldwin
    @Noah172

    Hill communicated with Democrats but allegedly wanted to stay anonymous

    Hard to believe. She obviously revels in the celebrity she achieved in the hearings. What would she ever have amounted to without it? The Left looks after its own.

    Replies: @Noah172

    I’m not saying Hill was honest. I’m just recounting how it went down — just like this thing with Kav is going down. Hill was not known to the public until Democratic Senator Howard Metzenbaum disclosed her name.

    As for the benefits to this new accuser, I fully expect a GoFundMe to pop up, a book deal, job offers, maybe even a run for Congress when Congresslady Eshoo (in office since 1993) retires or dies.

  62. @JimB
    @Anonymous

    Do they rent or own?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Doesn’t matter. She has two kids, a college education, a career, and is married to a man who has a substantial income. That puts her in the 99th percentile of women. How many college educated women nowadays even have two kids and are married? Not a lot.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @Anonymous

    You obviously don’t live anywhere near Palo Alto. A $350K household income feels like $35K in Madison, WI.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  63. If I got a quarter for every girl I locked in a closet ….

  64. @Steve Sailer
    @Clyde

    What does $3.5 million get you in Palo Alto: 2100 square feet?

    Replies: @Clyde

    You are on the money.
    Christine Blasey Ford’s house is >>>>>
    xxxxxx is a single family home of 2,213 sqft on a lot of 7,000 sqft (or 0.16 acres).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Clyde

    That's a nice, large yard.

    , @slumber_j
    @Clyde

    Wow: that's crazy. A good Upper East Side co-op apartment in Manhattan costs significantly less per square foot.

    No yard though, so there's that.

    Replies: @Jack D

  65. • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @MEH 0910

    She claimed in the letter that Kavanaugh and a classmate of his, both of whom had been drinking, turned up music that was playing in the room to conceal the sound of her protests, and that Kavanaugh covered her mouth with his hand.

    I would like to know what the music was. No self respecting teenager would ever forget that. Often teens will turn the volume up on a favorite song so that they can sing along.

    This was the biggest hit of 1982.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWz9VN40nCA

    Replies: @Anonymous

  66. @candid_observer
    It's particularly hard to credit her poor memory for details such as the year of the assault when she claims to be by profession a statistician for Christ's sake -- with a Ph.D., I believe.

    Replies: @JimB

    Could it be that Ford was drunk and made a fool out of herself, groping someone at the party, not necessarily Kavanaugh, and that she got rebuffed for being fat. So she flipped the narrative to make herself look like the object of desire? Catholic school boys were pretty picky back in the early eighties, because they could be. I don’t think Ol’ Thunder thighs had a chance with him. (I saw the photo: she’s a porker.)

    • Replies: @Travis
    @JimB

    True , we were picky. Would never let a friend see us with a fatty back in 1984. Kavanaugh would have been mocked endlessly at school if he tried to seduce the fat girl in front of his friends.

    She would never have been invited to one of our parties unless she had a decent looking girlfriend....maybe they told her the party was cancelled when she appeared at the party alone. Very strange that a teen girl would go to a party alone, to a strangers house where she did not know the boys. The entire story appears false. I do recall inviting girls we hardly knew to parties, less than 10% would attend and if they came they always came with several other friend. If the girl attended the party alone she would know who owned the house. I doubt any of her friends remember Kavanaugh or his friend, thus she has no friends from school to corroborate that she knew any boys from Georgetown Prep.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @anonymous
    @JimB

    A party with 4 guys and one 15 year old girl?

    Does she have parents?

    Replies: @Rxtek, @JimB

  67. @Lot
    It is more serious than a grope, and Kav seems to have told multiple senators, including Collins, the charge was completely false. In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy.

    She seems very credible to me, and this gives the red state Dems who voted for Gorsuch cover to vote no. That means he can only lose 2 GOP votes, which include Flake, Corker, Collins, and Murkowski.

    Before this I was betting on him getting all the GOP votes plus 4 dems. I just switched to no confirmation by Oct 31, which pays 3:2 at the moment.

    It is in Collins interest to not have to vote for him one way or another, so I expect she will push for nominating someone else.

    Too bad if I am right, as Kav seemed to be more of a restrictionist than the other frontrunners.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @newrouter, @Anonymous, @Noah172, @Jack Hanson, @Jack D, @Anonym, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Wow right on the heels of a random accusation of sexual assault against a prominent conservative that comes out of the blue we have Lot with his concern trolling bullshit yet again.

  68. @istevefan
    @Clyde

    I wonder when we will get some guy to come forward who claims that Kavanaugh, or fill in the blank, beat them up in high school. Copping a feel at a party is definitely less harmful to someone's psyche than kicking their ass in public. Getting your butt thoroughly kicked by someone in front of your peers can cost you your social standing in high school.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Lot

    I think the exact question for the various Senators who voted for Gorsuch but are undecided here is not whether this type of incident is disqualifying, but whether Kav lied to them about it.

    They may see it differently, but it isn’t just he said she said. Judge denies it, her husband and therapist corroborated that she told them of his 6 years ago. Finally, Judge wrote a book a while ago about being a drunk in high school and mentions Kav getting puke-in-car drunk with him.

    For others, especially the red state dems, the question is whether they now have a free pass on what was looking to be a no-win vote.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Lot

    http://www.bookwormroom.com/2018/09/16/accusation-kavanaugh-plan-2012/

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Lot

    How is this a "free pass"? You think this is going to resonate with anyone in W Va? Montana? Missouri?

    You're hitting whiskey levels of anti prophet here Lot.

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Noah172
    @Lot

    Therapist's notes were vague. No names, said there were four boys, not two, said boys were now “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington", which could be anybody. (Do Judge and the other two count as “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington"?)

    Did Judge's book ever mention Kav being violent, or even flirtatious with girls?

    Accuser didn't mention that Kav's mother was a judge in the foreclosure case on the accuser's parents' house in Maryland in 1997. The court record is circulating on Twitter. If I'm reading it correctly, the Blaseys were getting foreclosed, the property was then sold, and the plaintiff (the trustee) motioned to dismiss and get his bond back. I don't know if it means Judge Momma Kav ruled in favor or against the accuser's parents, or it was just a routine action, but it should looked into for possible motive. The accuser was in her early 30s by then, so she might have been aware her folks were getting foreclosed and of the legal process they were going through.

    Also, accuser is a pussyhat-wearing, climate change alarmist, open border leftist.

    , @istevefan
    @Lot


    I think the exact question for the various Senators who voted for Gorsuch but are undecided here is not whether this type of incident is disqualifying, but whether Kav lied to them about it.
     
    How can you conclude he lied about it? Let's say what the woman said did happen. If so it might have been a significant event in her life were she has some recollection about it. But to Kavanaugh he probably would have no recollection whatsoever because, a) he was drunk and b) he never even removed her clothing. To him there was nothing memorable and he has no reason to remember it.

    I am sure there are a many incidents in my past where I have no recollection about them, but someone might remember, because to that person what happened during that episode was significant.

    Likewise I can recall events about friends and family members that they have totally forgotten because something significant to me happened that day while to them it was just an ordinary day that was forgotten a couple weeks later.

    So I don't buy the fact Kavanaugh lied. More than likely the event did not happen, or if it did, it just wasn't a big enough event in his life to store.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D

  69. @Anonymous
    @JimB

    Doesn't matter. She has two kids, a college education, a career, and is married to a man who has a substantial income. That puts her in the 99th percentile of women. How many college educated women nowadays even have two kids and are married? Not a lot.

    Replies: @JimB

    You obviously don’t live anywhere near Palo Alto. A $350K household income feels like $35K in Madison, WI.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JimB

    Apparently you don’t know much about Madison, WI.

  70. Some of us tried telling you Eeyores during the Roy Moore debacle it was going to be yearbook suicide bombings from here until infinity if you cucked to the Dems but noooooo. It was somehow Trump’s fault all the same based off some ridiculous accusations.

    You ain’t voting your way out of where this is going boys. Buckle in.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Jack Hanson

    I hope you and I can share a pod during the historic first orbital combat drop.

    Preferably on top of wherever Bilderburger is being held that year.

    ROE? Everyone’s hostile.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

  71. If they GOP caves on this then they will lose the midterms and deserve to. It will send the perfect signal to their voters that their votes truly don’t matter.

    And FYI, this isn’t the same as the Anita Hill thing. Clarence Thomas ended up getting confirmed because southern Democratic senators were afraid of upsetting black voters (Thomas was polling fairly well among them) and despite the D’s holding a 58-42 majority he managed to squeak by. Kavanaugh doesn’t any any such luxury.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Berty

    Anita Hill is black, so I'm not sure why believing her would have upset more black voters than not believing her.

  72. @Anonymous
    Not buying it.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/09/16/23/5047008900000578-6173799-image-a-1_1537137366293.jpg

    Replies: @JimB, @Olorin

    Has anyone else picked up on the fact that she’s had a nose job?

  73. @Lot
    @istevefan

    I think the exact question for the various Senators who voted for Gorsuch but are undecided here is not whether this type of incident is disqualifying, but whether Kav lied to them about it.

    They may see it differently, but it isn't just he said she said. Judge denies it, her husband and therapist corroborated that she told them of his 6 years ago. Finally, Judge wrote a book a while ago about being a drunk in high school and mentions Kav getting puke-in-car drunk with him.

    For others, especially the red state dems, the question is whether they now have a free pass on what was looking to be a no-win vote.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Jack Hanson, @Noah172, @istevefan

    • Replies: @Lot
    @snorlax

    That seems very implausible. All this is going to do is result in another Fed Society nomination. I like Kav the best of the front runners, but they were all likely improvements on Kennedy.

  74. @Lot
    @istevefan

    I think the exact question for the various Senators who voted for Gorsuch but are undecided here is not whether this type of incident is disqualifying, but whether Kav lied to them about it.

    They may see it differently, but it isn't just he said she said. Judge denies it, her husband and therapist corroborated that she told them of his 6 years ago. Finally, Judge wrote a book a while ago about being a drunk in high school and mentions Kav getting puke-in-car drunk with him.

    For others, especially the red state dems, the question is whether they now have a free pass on what was looking to be a no-win vote.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Jack Hanson, @Noah172, @istevefan

    How is this a “free pass”? You think this is going to resonate with anyone in W Va? Montana? Missouri?

    You’re hitting whiskey levels of anti prophet here Lot.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Jack Hanson

    "You’re hitting whiskey levels of anti prophet here Lot."

    You are free to bet against me at predictit.org. I've done moderately well there.

    As for the red state dems and collins, it is a no-win vote.

  75. One thing that seems very strange to me given her account is her claim that she got somehow messed up psychologically for 4 or 5 years by the event, but, I can only assume by her account, didn’t get into any kind of psychotherapy to deal with it.

    Why do I assume she didn’t get into psychotherapy at this time? Because then she would have recounted that she told the therapist about it, who would, of course, have notes. (Those notes had better mention this traumatic event.)

    But is it really in any way plausible she wouldn’t have sought out treatment, given her (presumably) upper middle class background? Doesn’t she now work with clinical psychologists — or perhaps even is a clinical psychologist (presumably trained in statistics??). She wouldn’t have sought out a therapist much earlier, perhaps in her training?

    I’d like a few questions along these lines to be asked.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @candid_observer


    Why do I assume she didn’t get into psychotherapy at this time? Because then she would have recounted that she told the therapist about it, who would, of course, have notes. (Those notes had better mention this traumatic event.)
     
    Would a therapist's notes from 40 years ago still be around?

    Replies: @JimB, @candid_observer

    , @Johnny Smoggins
    @candid_observer

    If a woman says she's been "raped", then she's been raped. Period. End of Story. No questions need to be asked.

    You should know this by now.

    , @Anonymous
    @candid_observer

    Perhaps she did get into therapy during her college years but told a DIFFERENT story then.

  76. @Jack Hanson
    @Lot

    How is this a "free pass"? You think this is going to resonate with anyone in W Va? Montana? Missouri?

    You're hitting whiskey levels of anti prophet here Lot.

    Replies: @Lot

    “You’re hitting whiskey levels of anti prophet here Lot.”

    You are free to bet against me at predictit.org. I’ve done moderately well there.

    As for the red state dems and collins, it is a no-win vote.

  77. @Lot
    @istevefan

    I think the exact question for the various Senators who voted for Gorsuch but are undecided here is not whether this type of incident is disqualifying, but whether Kav lied to them about it.

    They may see it differently, but it isn't just he said she said. Judge denies it, her husband and therapist corroborated that she told them of his 6 years ago. Finally, Judge wrote a book a while ago about being a drunk in high school and mentions Kav getting puke-in-car drunk with him.

    For others, especially the red state dems, the question is whether they now have a free pass on what was looking to be a no-win vote.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Jack Hanson, @Noah172, @istevefan

    Therapist’s notes were vague. No names, said there were four boys, not two, said boys were now “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington”, which could be anybody. (Do Judge and the other two count as “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington”?)

    Did Judge’s book ever mention Kav being violent, or even flirtatious with girls?

    Accuser didn’t mention that Kav’s mother was a judge in the foreclosure case on the accuser’s parents’ house in Maryland in 1997. The court record is circulating on Twitter. If I’m reading it correctly, the Blaseys were getting foreclosed, the property was then sold, and the plaintiff (the trustee) motioned to dismiss and get his bond back. I don’t know if it means Judge Momma Kav ruled in favor or against the accuser’s parents, or it was just a routine action, but it should looked into for possible motive. The accuser was in her early 30s by then, so she might have been aware her folks were getting foreclosed and of the legal process they were going through.

    Also, accuser is a pussyhat-wearing, climate change alarmist, open border leftist.

  78. @snorlax
    @Lot

    http://www.bookwormroom.com/2018/09/16/accusation-kavanaugh-plan-2012/

    Replies: @Lot

    That seems very implausible. All this is going to do is result in another Fed Society nomination. I like Kav the best of the front runners, but they were all likely improvements on Kennedy.

  79. McConnell should take this directly to the floor with a threat to expel Flake from the Senate and denial of funding for any R that doesn’t play ball.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Jack Hanson

    Flake needs to go. I don’t care what his conservative voting record is he needs to go this week.

  80. @Anonymous
    Not buying it.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/09/16/23/5047008900000578-6173799-image-a-1_1537137366293.jpg

    Replies: @JimB, @Olorin

    Is that her high school graduation portrait from Holton-Arms? (Jackie Bouvier’s alma mater as well.)

    If so, it would appear that she took Inveniam viam aut faciam literally, eh?

    From her Wikipedia entry (my bold):

    Ford “specializes in designing statistical models for research projects in order to make sure they come to accurate conclusions,” as summarized by Helena Chmura Kraemer, a Stanford professor emeritus in biostatistics who co-authored a book and several articles with Ford.

    http://archive.is/6T2Dg

    If you dig into her and Kraemer’s work you find a mess of autistically geeky consideration of statistical methods in the social sciences (especially the Brave New World of biomedical). One of Kraemer’s favorite topics is criticism of p-values on the grounds they usually are reported without confidence intervals (etc.), and the importance of sample size to research method chosen.

    What I’m finding interesting here is the massive chasm of Truth Test between two quant chicks who assert that “most research is inaccurate” because it fails various stats tests…and an assertion of teenage behavioral malfeasance some 40 years ago as possessing automatic, eternal, not-to-be-doubted veracity, with automatic, eternal, not-to-be-questioned effects…

    …without any of the otherwise demanded quant tests like precision of estimation, consideration of confidence intervals, and such. Demanded, that is, where your and my and our families’ medical care is in play.

    After all, these are the grounds upon which Kraemer advises Pharma on how to wring the most money out of treatments for various diseases…or minimize some treatments whose low statistical probability of success indicate “less efficient use of public health dollars.” Or even define or redefine diagnostic categories in line with what is more or less lucrative or PC.

    Kraemer’s also big into statistical methods for central database management in “health” “care.” I.e., Big Mother knowing more about your own biology than you ever will, and monetarizing it as she sees fit, having first made sure her conclusions are accurate by her own definition.

    http://grantome.com/[email protected]%20%20Helena%20Kraemer

    Let none of this lead you to forget that these high-powered elite autists who demand such quanty precision when advising the DSM-V or helping Pharma build research programs or surveillance databases…

    …are such fragile little Victorian flowers that any misunderstanding around teenage human mating or interaction behaviors is a major crisis whose only possible resolution is allowing them to ruin any career they see fit with epistolary drama peddled to the prurient MSM.

    Let that sink in. The same females who are irreversibly traumatized for life (we’re told) over not having known/ been properly instructed in how to handle peer interaction at age 15 at or around their top-tier prep school…

    …today have major responsibility for and power over the statistical methods and diagnostic categories by which your, your family’s, and your friends’ mental and physical health are defined, investigated, monetarized, and treatment allowed or denied.

    THAT is what is in play here. No matter how much power they get over the lives and deaths of you, me, and our families, it’s never enough.

    Now shut up, and hang the white male. Of whom she is basically accusing of going partway with her and then not marrying her.

  81. @Clyde
    @Steve Sailer

    You are on the money.
    Christine Blasey Ford's house is >>>>>
    xxxxxx is a single family home of 2,213 sqft on a lot of 7,000 sqft (or 0.16 acres).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @slumber_j

    That’s a nice, large yard.

  82. Anonymous[452] • Disclaimer says:
    @candid_observer
    One thing that seems very strange to me given her account is her claim that she got somehow messed up psychologically for 4 or 5 years by the event, but, I can only assume by her account, didn't get into any kind of psychotherapy to deal with it.

    Why do I assume she didn't get into psychotherapy at this time? Because then she would have recounted that she told the therapist about it, who would, of course, have notes. (Those notes had better mention this traumatic event.)

    But is it really in any way plausible she wouldn't have sought out treatment, given her (presumably) upper middle class background? Doesn't she now work with clinical psychologists -- or perhaps even is a clinical psychologist (presumably trained in statistics??). She wouldn't have sought out a therapist much earlier, perhaps in her training?

    I'd like a few questions along these lines to be asked.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Johnny Smoggins, @Anonymous

    Why do I assume she didn’t get into psychotherapy at this time? Because then she would have recounted that she told the therapist about it, who would, of course, have notes. (Those notes had better mention this traumatic event.)

    Would a therapist’s notes from 40 years ago still be around?

    • Replies: @JimB
    @Anonymous


    Would a therapist’s notes from 40 years ago still be around?
     
    Not if the therapist is no longer around. The average psychotherapist is probably 30 years from the grave.
    , @candid_observer
    @Anonymous


    Would a therapist’s notes from 40 years ago still be around?
     
    Maybe or maybe not.

    But her therapy may well have been, say, 10 or 15 or 20 or 25 years ago. Most people with issues like that, and who also are comfortable with the idea of going to therapy, don't go just once to "solve" the problem -- the problem and related issues keep them going back to therapy periodically. This is especially true for women.

    If she has had therapy before 2012, I don't see how she would now know for a certainty that the notes no longer existed -- or perhaps a clear memory in her psychotherapist as to what they discussed in general. She would certainly fear that those notes or a memory would exist.

    For this reason, she should certainly be asked whether she ever went to therapy in those years. If she has, but lies about it, she'll very likely be caught lying. If she truthfully says she hasn't, the question is, why on earth didn't you go to therapy if the problem was so severe.

    The further point is that if she went to therapy before 2012, but didn't report it in her current letter, why not? Why not say immediately she also talked about the problem in previous therapy?

  83. I think it is time to bring back the ancient punishment of exile.

    This woman makes a false accusation to try and derail a Supreme Court nominee, so she has to leave the country and never return. Her husband can have the option to join her in exile or stay.

  84. @Anonymous
    @Lot


    She seems very credible to me,
     
    The evidence includes notes of her account from the therapist. The notes describe Kavanaugh's high school as "elitist." That suggests an agenda or animus beyond the scope of psychological trauma from attempted rape.

    Replies: @Olorin

    Agree.

    For 2018-19, Holton-Arms (Ford’s school) charges $42,975 for tuition. That includes meals, but nothing else.

    Their touted figure of “40% diversity” appears to be mainly Chinese.

    https://www.holton-arms.edu/about/diversity

    This girls’ school sits on nearly 60 acres of wooded land in Bethesda, an already massively upscale burg/area that went 75% for Hillary.

    Holton-Arms’s slice of Bethesda is the 20817 ZIP, 90% white and Asian, 3% black. Enjoy looking at various data points for this ZIP, like the “likely homosexual households” (.49%) and the heat map of housing values (over $1.5 m).

    http://www.city-data.com/city/Bethesda-Maryland.html

    Point being that from where I sit the school looks pretty elitist.

    But somehow girls who attend elitist schools and move into elitist jobs doing elitist work are always victims, while boys who travel in similarly elite circles are always aggressors.

    True fact: the waterway that runs just to the east of Holton-Arms’s campus is called Booze Creek. I’m sure there were never any jokes about that among the high school-age girls who at age 15 located themselves in rooms with beds and multiple boys whom they recognized as tipsy.

  85. @Lot
    @Diversity Heretic

    She's married with two kids to a rich pharma exec with a PhD and MS in Mechanical Engineering from Stanford.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Polynikes

    I wonder why hubby didn’t tell her to STFU and let bygone gropes let bygone gropes.

    Playing mentally challenged rape victim is stylish nowadays, but this is taking it up a level.

    Why doesn’t hubby die of shame?

  86. @Jack Hanson
    Some of us tried telling you Eeyores during the Roy Moore debacle it was going to be yearbook suicide bombings from here until infinity if you cucked to the Dems but noooooo. It was somehow Trump's fault all the same based off some ridiculous accusations.

    You ain't voting your way out of where this is going boys. Buckle in.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    I hope you and I can share a pod during the historic first orbital combat drop.

    Preferably on top of wherever Bilderburger is being held that year.

    ROE? Everyone’s hostile.

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @BenKenobi

    You and me buddy. Army of Two, making the NYT building look like the US Embassy during the fall of Saigon.

    Replies: @Simply Simon, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Brutusale

  87. @Anonymous
    @Clyde


    If Kavanaugh really did this to Christine Blasey then who cares. This was drunken high school hi-jinx. All Kavanugh got out of it was some clumsy feels through her clothing. But libs are able to inflate this being as bad as real rape?
     
    Blasey said the incident left her traumatized for 4-5 years.

    Replies: @Anthony Wayne, @El Dato

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @El Dato


    When I was young, only Alien Abductions left that kind of impact.
     
    She said that she thought she might die. Isn't a perceived near-death experience enough to cause enduring psychological trauma?
  88. @Anon7
    This is a dog whistle to Democrats and especially feminists. "Oh, can't you see it... it's Anita Hill and Justice Thomas all over again. Always the pure women pawed over and then ignored, always the filthy men prized and nominated."

    It's always echoes from the past...


    [Anita Hill:] “The reluctance of someone to come forward demonstrates that even in the #MeToo era, it remains incredibly difficult to report harassment, abuse or assault by people in power.”

    Last December, Hill received an apology from the Chairman of that infamous hearing in 1991 — former Vice President Joe Biden.

    “I wish I had been able to do more for Anita Hill. I owe her an apology,” he said.

    (Via Essence)

     

    Thankfully, it's incredibly easy to report harassment, abuse and assault... anonymously.

    Anita Hill wants a process to investigate any and all such charges. Now wouldn't that be living the dream - an endless Mueller-style investigation of every man in public life.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @U-Bahn

    Anita Hill wants a process to investigate any and all such charges. Now wouldn’t that be living the dream – an endless Mueller-style investigation of every man in public life.

    Unless the name is Clinton. She defended him.

  89. @Anonymous
    @candid_observer


    Why do I assume she didn’t get into psychotherapy at this time? Because then she would have recounted that she told the therapist about it, who would, of course, have notes. (Those notes had better mention this traumatic event.)
     
    Would a therapist's notes from 40 years ago still be around?

    Replies: @JimB, @candid_observer

    Would a therapist’s notes from 40 years ago still be around?

    Not if the therapist is no longer around. The average psychotherapist is probably 30 years from the grave.

  90. @Lot
    @Diversity Heretic

    She's married with two kids to a rich pharma exec with a PhD and MS in Mechanical Engineering from Stanford.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Polynikes

    Pretty pedestrian compared to a Supreme Court Judge.

  91. Kavanaugh is the rich asshole frat guy straight out of 1980s central casting. Part of his PR problem is that most of us who grew up in the 1980s were preconditioned by Hollywood to hate the guy on sight. Part of the reason Trump is so hated is that he is also a 1980s villain – Biff Tannen.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Peter Akuleyev

    It’s almost as if film writers have a tendancy to use their platform to villify their ethnic enemies. Imagine that.

  92. @candid_observer
    I don't get her claim she doesn't remember the year.

    Kavanaugh was 17, she apparently claimed, and she was 15.

    How is figuring out the year anything more than arithmetic?

    Is she not even certain how old she was, or how old Kavanaugh was?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    How is figuring out the year anything more than arithmetic?

    Hey, arithmetic is hard. Cf.Barbie.

    Franklin Roosevelt was famously confused by the number nine. Younger commenters here often damn “boomers” for policies enacted before they reached voting age. Which was generally 21, “back in the day”.

  93. @Berty
    If they GOP caves on this then they will lose the midterms and deserve to. It will send the perfect signal to their voters that their votes truly don't matter.

    And FYI, this isn't the same as the Anita Hill thing. Clarence Thomas ended up getting confirmed because southern Democratic senators were afraid of upsetting black voters (Thomas was polling fairly well among them) and despite the D's holding a 58-42 majority he managed to squeak by. Kavanaugh doesn't any any such luxury.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Anita Hill is black, so I’m not sure why believing her would have upset more black voters than not believing her.

  94. @JimB
    @Anonymous

    You obviously don’t live anywhere near Palo Alto. A $350K household income feels like $35K in Madison, WI.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Apparently you don’t know much about Madison, WI.

  95. @Lot
    @Anonymous

    Two.

    https://i1.rgstatic.net/ii/profile.image/272432342761476-1441964340134_Q512/Christine_Blasey.jpg

    Replies: @Lurker

    Im sorry, I can’t help but be reminded of this:

    https://goo.gl/images/EFMxC5

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Lurker

    That's quite a classic from the pancake on rabbit's head era.

    Embed your pics next time though so we don't have to click on a google link.

    Replies: @Lurker

  96. @Marat
    What does it matter if it's true? (Trump seems to have found America's last Boy Scout.) Was Brett Kavanaugh a heterosexual high school teenager horsing around? Was there a charge of rape? Was there a charge of attempted murder? Was there any charge at all within the statute of limitations? Only recently has a permission slip with four signatures and two witnesses been required in advance to initiate conversation with the opposite sex, so there can't have been a charge of papers not being in order.

    National death by feminism.

    Replies: @bomag, @Ed

    This is what is so maddening to me. You have “conservative” pundits like Dave French saying this is disqualifying. I’m like WTF?

    A teenage boy, that attends an all male school is horsing around with teenage girls at a co-ed party and 35 years later this can disqualify him from a job? I don’t even understand why people are even entertaining any of it. The Republicans run so scared of the press it’s pathetic. They have no inkling or care of what anyone outside the bubble thinks. Anyone hearing this outside of the beltway machine would think this is crazy. I dare say even most liberals.

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Ed

    Democrats throw the best parties, probably don't want their invites canned!

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Ed

    David French is a lost soul. He devoted 3,000 words in Commentary to an apologia for the Trayvon Martin Hoax. Sanctimony without morality. A deadly mix.

    http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2013/03/at-commentary-french-cheese-eating.html

  97. @Jack Hanson
    McConnell should take this directly to the floor with a threat to expel Flake from the Senate and denial of funding for any R that doesn't play ball.

    Replies: @Ed

    Flake needs to go. I don’t care what his conservative voting record is he needs to go this week.

  98. @Achilles
    Her story, told for the first time during couples therapy in 2012:

    She was at a party in a suburban house consisting of her and four high school boys (BK, MJ and two other names she gave to the Washington Post).

    She doesn't remember exactly when or where it was, not even really sure of which year. It was a summer in the early 1980s. She was around 15 years old.

    Two of the boys were stumbling drunk. As she headed up some stairs to a bathroom, one of them (BK) pushed her into a bedroom and was accompanied by his friend (MJ).

    They locked the door. They turned the music up so no one could hear her screams. (Wait, wut? The music was playing in the bedroom, and not down where the party was?)

    BK jumped on top of her. Both BK and MJ were laughing. BK tried to disrobe her and put his hand over her mouth. MJ jumped on top of them on the bed, toppling the three of them.

    BK and MJ then started scrapping with each other, which provided her the opportunity to make her getaway. She fled to the bathroom, locking the door behind her. Then she made a run for it out of the house and back home.

    She never mentioned a thing about it to her friends. (As we know, 15-year old high school girls are notoriously taciturn and prone to keep secrets to themselves.)

    While she doesn't remember when or where it happened, not even sure of which summer, nevertheless the event was so meaningful that she says it derailed her life for four or five years afterward.

    She does, however, remember the names of all four boys who were at this five-person party.

    Next revelation: the other two boys named will come forward and give their accounts.

    My guess: the other two boys at the party will be revealed as Congressman Adam Schiff and Media Matters founder David Brock, who will be called to give their testimony, conclusively settling the matter of exactly what happened.

    Question: Does any permanent good ever come of couples therapy? Or does it provide merely a temporary and apparent resolution, but in fact generating even more resentment and ammunition for eventual use in the future?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @CAL2

    She said the unsubstantiated therapist notes are incorrect and there were only two guys. Of course if there were only two guys why did they need to turn up the music? Unless the therapist notes meant four guys total and she meant only two guys in the room.

    We have a woman who remembered something in therapy, can’t remember exactly when or where. No one has seen the notes except the WaPo.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @CAL2

    The fact that she can't even remember what YEAR this happened is very telling. She then says that she was traumatized for the next 4 or 5 years (if not for the rest of her life) but she can't even say what year her trauma began. Most people who have experienced a significant trauma can remember the exact DAY that it happened because it divides their life into before and after. It's like their own personal 9/11.

    It's very convenient that the lack of specific dates makes it impossible for K to produce an alibi, but I think that's incidental. The real reason she can't remember is that if the incident (or something vaguely like it) took place at all, at the time, rather than being traumatic, she regarded it as what it was - harmless teenage horseplay and though nothing of it until 30 years (+/-) later when, with our new political understanding, it became clear that she had ALMOST been raped and as a "survivor" possessed desirable Victim Pokemon Points which in our society are even more valuable than Ph.D. degrees. Victim Pokemon Points can be wielded in all sort of situations - in couples therapy, in political debates - they are more valuable currency than an Amex Black Card. Usually rich and privileged white women are short on Victim Pokemon Points, which are one of they few things that money can't buy, but being a "rape survivor" is a good way to score this valuable good.

    Assuming the incident happened at all and that the boy involved was actually K (a big and unproven assumption) there is still zero evidence that the boy involved intended to actually rape her in the presence (and/or with the participation) of his friend. Fully accepting what she said as true, you have a teenage boy wrestling fully clothed with a teenage girl - this doesn't even count as 1st base, let alone a horrible crime. That she somehow "escaped" a terrible fate is purely in her head.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @L Woods, @Jim Don Bob

  99. @Abe
    In a sane and non-clown world, this would be the premise of a SNL sketch starring Kevin Nelson- “Britt McTavish, Billboard Hot 100 Detective”:

    Accuser: “I remember it like it was yesterday. It was 1982 about 10pm, at a house party. Brett Kavanaugh turned up the TV so that Flock of Seagulls’ “I Ran” music video would drown out my screams-”

    Britt McTavish, Billboard Hot 100 Detective: “Wrong! It is true ”I Ran” was released in 1982, and yes it was in MTV music video rotation that year. But this hot-n-heavy teen house party would have had to have been after Thanksgiving break, as it was only then that MTV played the video before midnight, while you said the party was around Halloween as everyone was in costume. You are a liar!”

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    That’s pretty good. I can hardly now recall that we had a time when things like the timing of I Ran might be forgotten. Time to go listen to Space Age Love Song.

  100. @Shingas the Terrible
    If the cucks, predictably, cuck to the revolutionary left, Trump’s response should be to nominate an even more reactionary, hardcore right winger with no bullshit Ivy League swamp trail. An absolute unknown not born to privilege with a law degree from Flyover State and 45 years old, and one giant chip on his shoulder.

    No surrender.

    Replies: @Flip, @Anonymous

    Absolutely. Make the Democrats wish they had approved Kavanaugh.

  101. @istevefan
    Well, it worked against Roy Moore so why not try it again. I recall some of us were concerned last fall about the accusations against Moore. Though he may not have been a sympathetic figure to many people on this blog, you didn't have to be a prophet to know the democrats and MSM would trot this stuff out again.

    My surprise so far is that it has been trotted out against a SC nominee which I had not anticipated. I figured it would happen to some GOP senate candidate. As a resident of Missouri I am still counting on Josh Hawley to be similarly accused some time in October. Claire is desperate.

    Replies: @Noah172, @Chief Seattle

    I don’t disagree that this is Dem / media playbook to tarnish someone they don’t like. Or that the Republicans may cuck out. However, the accusation so far is significantly less damning than the Roy Moore business. In his case, the accusation was that a man in his early thirties was fairly systematically hitting up fairly young teen girls, using the power of his DA office to impress them. That’s creepy if true, and something that would make him a bit of a freak. The accusation that BK got drunk in his teens and a bit pushy with a girl in his cohort and social circle is quite a bit different. Even if it was true, they were both minors, neither was in a position of power, and whatever did happen didn’t come close to rape. Sure, the Dems and media can use the megaphone to make our imaginations fill in the worst, but the average person hears this, adjusts for bad memories and teen hormones, and likely shrugs it off.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @istevefan
    @Chief Seattle


    That’s creepy if true, and something that would make him a bit of a freak.
     
    I still think the "evidence" they threw up with scrapbooks, yearbooks and the like were suspect at best. Too many fishy items in those pieces of evidence to destroy a man's career.

    For example, I turn your attention to this story from the Washington Post. In this article 54 year old Debbie Gibson claims she dated Roy Moore in 1981, when she would have been 17 or 18 years of age. The Post includes a photo of Debbie's "scrapbook" that includes movie ticket stubs from the summer of 1981 marking occasions she dated Moore and other guys. Note, that one of the tickets in this photo is a special orange ticket with "Child" written in the background. Hence, it was a child's ticket usually issued at a lower price to those under 12 years of age. There is no way an 18 year old woman would get a child's ticket.

    I am not saying this exonerates Moore. But come on, would you want to be convicted on evidence like this?
    , @Precious
    @Chief Seattle

    However, the accusation so far is significantly less damning than the Roy Moore business. In his case, the accusation was that a man in his early thirties was fairly systematically hitting up fairly young teen girls, using the power of his DA office to impress them. That’s creepy if true, and something that would make him a bit of a freak.

    It is creepy if the girl finds it creepy. It is not creepy if the girl finds him attractive. In other words, whether it was creepy or not completely depends on Roy Moore's socio-sexual status in the 1970s and the girl's perception of that status back in the 1970s. Which is impossible for us to know and thus completely irrelevant as an issue by 1985 at the latest.

    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Chief Seattle

    Wrong. It was a hit job from the Rinos and the Demoncats. The same people that excused a 50ish sitting President getting a BJ in the Oval Office from a 20 something intern.

    I am so sick of you Cucks willing to take it up the you know what so you can virtue signal. The Left wins because they fight to win. Cucks fight to lose.

    , @L Woods
    @Chief Seattle

    “Creepy” is an inane female shaming term and nothing else. If they weren’t getting with him, they’d be getting passed around by the high school football team.

    Replies: @Rosie

  102. Maybe her daddy/brother/uncle/cousin should have beat Kavanaugh’s ass back in the 80’s, if it happened. Since they didn’t, doubtful it happened.

  103. It is being (reliably) reported that Brett Kavanaugh’s mother was the judge who, in 1996, granted a foreclosure petition against Ralph and Paula Blasey, Christine Blasey Ford’s parents, FWIW.

    https://iotwreport.com/brett-kavanaughs-mother-a-judge-presided-over-a-foreclose-case-involving-christine-blasey-fords-parents/

    What I find curious about this is that Christine Blasey’s dad was a litigation partner at the time, with Baker & Hostetler, a large national law firm. Litigation partners at big firms pull in big bucks.

    Why would the Blaseys have defaulted on a mortgage, in the midst of the 1990s economic boom?

  104. @Anonymous
    @bomag

    Great grandpa was right.

    What did your great grandpa say?

    Replies: @moshe, @Diversity Heretic, @bomag

    Don’t know what bomag’s great-grandfather said, but Otto von Bismarck summarized the best societal roles of women as Kueche, Kinder und Kirche, kitchen, children, and church. Letting women have substantial influence in politics, and letting them into the workplace have been societal disasters.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    @Diversity Heretic

    Based on my ninety years life experience I would say that's the way it was until WWII came along. By necessity women were brought into the workplace and things have changed dramatically ever since.

    Replies: @L Woods

    , @Corvinus
    @Diversity Heretic

    "Letting women have substantial influence in politics, and letting them into the workplace have been societal disasters."

    Actually, white Europeans acquit themselves as being head of the class regarding societal disasters with their Invade The World, Invite The World mentality. And southern plantation owners should have picked their own damn cotton!

    Thankfully, we're not going back to those days where women were barefoot and pregnant, and get smacked around by their fella merely for speaking their mind.

  105. the allegations sound false. She would certainly recall the year this occurred and she would have told one of her friends about the incident. Also difficult to believe she was the only girl at the party. Teenage girls rarely go to parties alone. Who invited her to the party ? Did she go with a boy ? So her story has many unbelievable aspects.

    Christine Blasey is not trustworthy. She wanted this story to get out. First she contacted a lawyer to advise her on how to spread her narrative. She then sent a letter to the Washington Post in early July… she sent another letter to her congresswoman, then she sent a letter to Senator Feinstein. The claim that she wanted to remain anonymous is another lie. Blasey and her lawyer orchestrated this hit job.

    I suspect the lawyer told her not to specify the year or place of the alleged interaction to avoid being caught lying about it. She remembers his friend, a known conservative writer, yet fails to recall any of the other 2 boys at the house. She does not detail how she would attend a party without knowing any of the boys. It is highly unusual for a teenage girl to go to a house at night alone with 4 boys she does not know.

  106. @Clyde
    @Steve Sailer

    You are on the money.
    Christine Blasey Ford's house is >>>>>
    xxxxxx is a single family home of 2,213 sqft on a lot of 7,000 sqft (or 0.16 acres).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @slumber_j

    Wow: that’s crazy. A good Upper East Side co-op apartment in Manhattan costs significantly less per square foot.

    No yard though, so there’s that.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @slumber_j

    Because of the extremely low densities mandated by suburban single family zoning, there are a lot few units available than in Manhattan where there are literally (almost) a million apartments. Even if you drew a 50 mile radius around Palo Alto you still wouldn't find a million units. The population of entire suburban neighborhoods could fit in 1 Manhattan residential tower that has a footprint equal to 1 suburban lot.

  107. KnowStop everything! Time out. I’ve just found conclusive evidence the whole thing never happened:

    No way no how a rich, popular boy (which Kavanaugh seems to’ve been) went after this creature in high school, a time of life when such boys are surrounded by hot cheerleaders and such. It didn’t happen.

    (She looks like John Kerry in a wig!)

  108. @Harry Baldwin
    @Noah172

    Under the current SJW order, an apology from a badwhite is a confession of guilt. The apology helps justify the punishment. It buys no forgiveness.

    Replies: @L Woods

    And yet, they keep apologizing. It’s amazing.

  109. @Peter Akuleyev
    Kavanaugh is the rich asshole frat guy straight out of 1980s central casting. Part of his PR problem is that most of us who grew up in the 1980s were preconditioned by Hollywood to hate the guy on sight. Part of the reason Trump is so hated is that he is also a 1980s villain - Biff Tannen.

    Replies: @L Woods

    It’s almost as if film writers have a tendancy to use their platform to villify their ethnic enemies. Imagine that.

  110. @candid_observer
    One thing that seems very strange to me given her account is her claim that she got somehow messed up psychologically for 4 or 5 years by the event, but, I can only assume by her account, didn't get into any kind of psychotherapy to deal with it.

    Why do I assume she didn't get into psychotherapy at this time? Because then she would have recounted that she told the therapist about it, who would, of course, have notes. (Those notes had better mention this traumatic event.)

    But is it really in any way plausible she wouldn't have sought out treatment, given her (presumably) upper middle class background? Doesn't she now work with clinical psychologists -- or perhaps even is a clinical psychologist (presumably trained in statistics??). She wouldn't have sought out a therapist much earlier, perhaps in her training?

    I'd like a few questions along these lines to be asked.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Johnny Smoggins, @Anonymous

    If a woman says she’s been “raped”, then she’s been raped. Period. End of Story. No questions need to be asked.

    You should know this by now.

  111. @Anonymous
    @candid_observer


    Why do I assume she didn’t get into psychotherapy at this time? Because then she would have recounted that she told the therapist about it, who would, of course, have notes. (Those notes had better mention this traumatic event.)
     
    Would a therapist's notes from 40 years ago still be around?

    Replies: @JimB, @candid_observer

    Would a therapist’s notes from 40 years ago still be around?

    Maybe or maybe not.

    But her therapy may well have been, say, 10 or 15 or 20 or 25 years ago. Most people with issues like that, and who also are comfortable with the idea of going to therapy, don’t go just once to “solve” the problem — the problem and related issues keep them going back to therapy periodically. This is especially true for women.

    If she has had therapy before 2012, I don’t see how she would now know for a certainty that the notes no longer existed — or perhaps a clear memory in her psychotherapist as to what they discussed in general. She would certainly fear that those notes or a memory would exist.

    For this reason, she should certainly be asked whether she ever went to therapy in those years. If she has, but lies about it, she’ll very likely be caught lying. If she truthfully says she hasn’t, the question is, why on earth didn’t you go to therapy if the problem was so severe.

    The further point is that if she went to therapy before 2012, but didn’t report it in her current letter, why not? Why not say immediately she also talked about the problem in previous therapy?

  112. @El Dato

    When I was young, only Alien Abductions left that kind of impact.

    She said that she thought she might die. Isn’t a perceived near-death experience enough to cause enduring psychological trauma?

  113. @Lot
    It is more serious than a grope, and Kav seems to have told multiple senators, including Collins, the charge was completely false. In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy.

    She seems very credible to me, and this gives the red state Dems who voted for Gorsuch cover to vote no. That means he can only lose 2 GOP votes, which include Flake, Corker, Collins, and Murkowski.

    Before this I was betting on him getting all the GOP votes plus 4 dems. I just switched to no confirmation by Oct 31, which pays 3:2 at the moment.

    It is in Collins interest to not have to vote for him one way or another, so I expect she will push for nominating someone else.

    Too bad if I am right, as Kav seemed to be more of a restrictionist than the other frontrunners.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @newrouter, @Anonymous, @Noah172, @Jack Hanson, @Jack D, @Anonym, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy.

    Absolutely totally NOT in the current environment. You must be smoking crack. Thank God you are not K’s advisor. The slightest admission that there is any truth to the accusation and his nomination is toast. This is how it works nowadays. His only hope is totally deny the allegation whether it is true or not. By completely denying the accusation, and given the lack of corroborating evidence (except for her bringing up a similar incident without actually naming K 30 years later) and details (she won’t even say what year it was, making an alibi impossible) and together with the denial of the other man alleged to be present, it becomes he (or they) said/she said and the evidence is weak enough to at least give Republicans cover for their votes – “I evaluated the evidence and though I ALWAYS BELIEVE WOMEN, dear woman voters, in this case I didn’t think there was enough evidence.” But if he admits that it really happened, then it’s curtains for him.

    The fact that his denial might be false is irrelevant. In a serious country, teenage hijinx should have zero relevance to a man’s fitness for office 35 years later, but we no longer live in a serious country. So K is fully justified in fighting fire with fire. It’s an HONOR to lie to Communists, who lie so freely themselves.

    • Agree: L Woods, Johann Ricke, snorlax, Clyde
    • Replies: @Federalist
    @Jack D


    but we no longer live in a serious country.
     
    So true. Everything has to be viewed in light of the insane society that we live in. I think that part of the problem for people on "our side" is that we tend to be rational and so we assume that reason applies. Mostly, it doesn't.
    , @L Woods
    @Jack D

    This site needs a “super agree,” like Tinder’s superlike.

    , @Dr. X
    @Jack D


    In a serious country, teenage hijinx should have zero relevance to a man’s fitness for office 35 years later
     
    I wouldn't go that far. I think they MIGHT have some relevance 35 years later, particularly IF they were part of a demonstrable pattern of recklessness, perversion, or criminality.

    But that clearly is not the case here. Even if the allegations are true, a one-off incident of a drunken kid groping a girl means absolutely nothing. In fact, I'd argue that any drunken 17 year old boy who doesn't grope a girl at a party probably has something wrong with him.

    And that's all he's accused of -- groping. He's not being accused of actual rape, forcible sodomy or penetration, or any other perverse and deviant sexual behavior. She's making it sound like an attempted rape, but we have no idea what her own behavior was at the party, if she made any suggestive comments or come-ons to him, or how drunk she was also.

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Clyde
    @Jack D

    More than agree. Young "Lot" is naive here. Would you trust his flaky accuser as a lower court judge? A few years ago I voted against all perceivable as female judges who were on the ballot.

  114. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/Green_Footballs/status/1041473162326683649

    https://twitter.com/bliss501/status/1041470503297449985

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Point of fact: It was not an article in which “a woman claimed she had been raped”. It was an article in which another woman was the author and made all the claims.

  115. @MEH 0910
    Mother Jones piece on Mark Judge's heavy drinking prep school days:

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/brett-kavanaugh-mark-judge-high-school-drunk-allegation-alcohol/

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    She claimed in the letter that Kavanaugh and a classmate of his, both of whom had been drinking, turned up music that was playing in the room to conceal the sound of her protests, and that Kavanaugh covered her mouth with his hand.

    I would like to know what the music was. No self respecting teenager would ever forget that. Often teens will turn the volume up on a favorite song so that they can sing along.

    This was the biggest hit of 1982.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    I wonder if Kav asked if she wanted to hear his body talk. My wife loves that one.

  116. @CAL2
    @Achilles

    She said the unsubstantiated therapist notes are incorrect and there were only two guys. Of course if there were only two guys why did they need to turn up the music? Unless the therapist notes meant four guys total and she meant only two guys in the room.

    We have a woman who remembered something in therapy, can't remember exactly when or where. No one has seen the notes except the WaPo.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The fact that she can’t even remember what YEAR this happened is very telling. She then says that she was traumatized for the next 4 or 5 years (if not for the rest of her life) but she can’t even say what year her trauma began. Most people who have experienced a significant trauma can remember the exact DAY that it happened because it divides their life into before and after. It’s like their own personal 9/11.

    It’s very convenient that the lack of specific dates makes it impossible for K to produce an alibi, but I think that’s incidental. The real reason she can’t remember is that if the incident (or something vaguely like it) took place at all, at the time, rather than being traumatic, she regarded it as what it was – harmless teenage horseplay and though nothing of it until 30 years (+/-) later when, with our new political understanding, it became clear that she had ALMOST been raped and as a “survivor” possessed desirable Victim Pokemon Points which in our society are even more valuable than Ph.D. degrees. Victim Pokemon Points can be wielded in all sort of situations – in couples therapy, in political debates – they are more valuable currency than an Amex Black Card. Usually rich and privileged white women are short on Victim Pokemon Points, which are one of they few things that money can’t buy, but being a “rape survivor” is a good way to score this valuable good.

    Assuming the incident happened at all and that the boy involved was actually K (a big and unproven assumption) there is still zero evidence that the boy involved intended to actually rape her in the presence (and/or with the participation) of his friend. Fully accepting what she said as true, you have a teenage boy wrestling fully clothed with a teenage girl – this doesn’t even count as 1st base, let alone a horrible crime. That she somehow “escaped” a terrible fate is purely in her head.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @Jack D

    Yes, if the event was traumatic for her, it should be trivial for her to reconstruct the timeline in all kinds of ways.

    Even if she didn't directly remember the date or even the year, she should easily be able to remember all kinds of surrounding events which would allow her to date the event precisely. She should be able to remember, say, people remarking on how very quiet she was at Christmas dinner afterwards, or her grades plummeting in school, or a million other things. And most of these memories would be strong because they were seared into her at the time (emotional memory being particularly strong and durable).

    For Christ's sake, she's a statistician by training: how hard would any of this be to reconstruct if she experienced genuine trauma?

    , @L Woods
    @Jack D

    It sounds like typical female bodice ripper fantasizing and wish fulfillment to me, combined with the obvious elements of current year herd mentality and opportunism. Words cannot express my weariness at the power structure’s incessant demand that we take this corrosive frivolity seriously (or else). How much longer this 200 proof idiocy can go on, I struggle to imagine.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Jack D

    She also did not tell anyone else at the time. Almost all the #MeToo victims, of Weinstein, Spacey, Moonves, etc., almost immediately confided in someone else about how scared and upset they were, and how they were afraid to say anything for (completely justified) fear of retaliation.

    This woman said nothing to anyone at the time, and we all know how taciturn teenage girls are.

  117. @Jack D
    @Lot


    In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy.
     
    Absolutely totally NOT in the current environment. You must be smoking crack. Thank God you are not K's advisor. The slightest admission that there is any truth to the accusation and his nomination is toast. This is how it works nowadays. His only hope is totally deny the allegation whether it is true or not. By completely denying the accusation, and given the lack of corroborating evidence (except for her bringing up a similar incident without actually naming K 30 years later) and details (she won't even say what year it was, making an alibi impossible) and together with the denial of the other man alleged to be present, it becomes he (or they) said/she said and the evidence is weak enough to at least give Republicans cover for their votes - "I evaluated the evidence and though I ALWAYS BELIEVE WOMEN, dear woman voters, in this case I didn't think there was enough evidence." But if he admits that it really happened, then it's curtains for him.


    The fact that his denial might be false is irrelevant. In a serious country, teenage hijinx should have zero relevance to a man's fitness for office 35 years later, but we no longer live in a serious country. So K is fully justified in fighting fire with fire. It's an HONOR to lie to Communists, who lie so freely themselves.

    Replies: @Federalist, @L Woods, @Dr. X, @Clyde

    but we no longer live in a serious country.

    So true. Everything has to be viewed in light of the insane society that we live in. I think that part of the problem for people on “our side” is that we tend to be rational and so we assume that reason applies. Mostly, it doesn’t.

  118. @slumber_j
    @Clyde

    Wow: that's crazy. A good Upper East Side co-op apartment in Manhattan costs significantly less per square foot.

    No yard though, so there's that.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Because of the extremely low densities mandated by suburban single family zoning, there are a lot few units available than in Manhattan where there are literally (almost) a million apartments. Even if you drew a 50 mile radius around Palo Alto you still wouldn’t find a million units. The population of entire suburban neighborhoods could fit in 1 Manhattan residential tower that has a footprint equal to 1 suburban lot.

  119. @candid_observer
    One thing that seems very strange to me given her account is her claim that she got somehow messed up psychologically for 4 or 5 years by the event, but, I can only assume by her account, didn't get into any kind of psychotherapy to deal with it.

    Why do I assume she didn't get into psychotherapy at this time? Because then she would have recounted that she told the therapist about it, who would, of course, have notes. (Those notes had better mention this traumatic event.)

    But is it really in any way plausible she wouldn't have sought out treatment, given her (presumably) upper middle class background? Doesn't she now work with clinical psychologists -- or perhaps even is a clinical psychologist (presumably trained in statistics??). She wouldn't have sought out a therapist much earlier, perhaps in her training?

    I'd like a few questions along these lines to be asked.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Johnny Smoggins, @Anonymous

    Perhaps she did get into therapy during her college years but told a DIFFERENT story then.

  120. @Jack D
    @Lot


    In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy.
     
    Absolutely totally NOT in the current environment. You must be smoking crack. Thank God you are not K's advisor. The slightest admission that there is any truth to the accusation and his nomination is toast. This is how it works nowadays. His only hope is totally deny the allegation whether it is true or not. By completely denying the accusation, and given the lack of corroborating evidence (except for her bringing up a similar incident without actually naming K 30 years later) and details (she won't even say what year it was, making an alibi impossible) and together with the denial of the other man alleged to be present, it becomes he (or they) said/she said and the evidence is weak enough to at least give Republicans cover for their votes - "I evaluated the evidence and though I ALWAYS BELIEVE WOMEN, dear woman voters, in this case I didn't think there was enough evidence." But if he admits that it really happened, then it's curtains for him.


    The fact that his denial might be false is irrelevant. In a serious country, teenage hijinx should have zero relevance to a man's fitness for office 35 years later, but we no longer live in a serious country. So K is fully justified in fighting fire with fire. It's an HONOR to lie to Communists, who lie so freely themselves.

    Replies: @Federalist, @L Woods, @Dr. X, @Clyde

    This site needs a “super agree,” like Tinder’s superlike.

  121. @Jack D
    @CAL2

    The fact that she can't even remember what YEAR this happened is very telling. She then says that she was traumatized for the next 4 or 5 years (if not for the rest of her life) but she can't even say what year her trauma began. Most people who have experienced a significant trauma can remember the exact DAY that it happened because it divides their life into before and after. It's like their own personal 9/11.

    It's very convenient that the lack of specific dates makes it impossible for K to produce an alibi, but I think that's incidental. The real reason she can't remember is that if the incident (or something vaguely like it) took place at all, at the time, rather than being traumatic, she regarded it as what it was - harmless teenage horseplay and though nothing of it until 30 years (+/-) later when, with our new political understanding, it became clear that she had ALMOST been raped and as a "survivor" possessed desirable Victim Pokemon Points which in our society are even more valuable than Ph.D. degrees. Victim Pokemon Points can be wielded in all sort of situations - in couples therapy, in political debates - they are more valuable currency than an Amex Black Card. Usually rich and privileged white women are short on Victim Pokemon Points, which are one of they few things that money can't buy, but being a "rape survivor" is a good way to score this valuable good.

    Assuming the incident happened at all and that the boy involved was actually K (a big and unproven assumption) there is still zero evidence that the boy involved intended to actually rape her in the presence (and/or with the participation) of his friend. Fully accepting what she said as true, you have a teenage boy wrestling fully clothed with a teenage girl - this doesn't even count as 1st base, let alone a horrible crime. That she somehow "escaped" a terrible fate is purely in her head.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @L Woods, @Jim Don Bob

    Yes, if the event was traumatic for her, it should be trivial for her to reconstruct the timeline in all kinds of ways.

    Even if she didn’t directly remember the date or even the year, she should easily be able to remember all kinds of surrounding events which would allow her to date the event precisely. She should be able to remember, say, people remarking on how very quiet she was at Christmas dinner afterwards, or her grades plummeting in school, or a million other things. And most of these memories would be strong because they were seared into her at the time (emotional memory being particularly strong and durable).

    For Christ’s sake, she’s a statistician by training: how hard would any of this be to reconstruct if she experienced genuine trauma?

  122. Kavanaugh is toast. Flake, Collins, Murkowski, and MissLindsey all want a delay. So they can stage Anita Hill hearings and vote no to impress their new Den voted as they switch parties.

    Reps want to lose House and Senate so Dems can impeach and convict Trump and Pence, install Pelosi or Waters as a placebo for Harris and have the Open Borders no ice, anti White society of their dreams.The

    The West weakness is its women who hate hate hate their men. For not being do it enough.

  123. It’s endless dysfunction as far as the eye can see if this Madness isn’t stopped. Congress won’t have the balls to hold the line, especially given it is their legislation since 1964 allowing the federal government to dictate the queer terms of paranoid, apologetic, and groveling PC culture that’s developed over 6 decades. Its no random accident — it’s actually a rational response to insane laws and incentives.

    Feminism (and all Hillary’s pet -isms) would evaporate overnite without the force of the federal government behind it. Corporations, institutions, and individuals are subject to Civil Rights Division penalties and remedies at every turn, often with carrot/stick complications of federal funding (education in particular) and lawyers embedded at every level looking for infractions or advising on how to avoid pitfalls. Not to mention the newest wrinkle, disparate impact. The whole thing needs to be drastically pruned back to normal before it strangles us to all death, besides just Brett and Christine.

    Comfort pet peacocks and pigs at the airport, lawyers hunting for bathroom mirrors installed an inch too low, campus madness, and even tech resorting to censoring — these are all reasonable responses to fear of running afoul of federal legislation and penalties, or in soliciting federal incentives and funding.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Marat


    Feminism (and all Hillary’s pet -isms) would evaporate overnite without the force of the federal government behind it. Corporations, institutions, and individuals are subject to Civil Rights Division penalties and remedies at every turn, often with carrot/stick complications of federal funding (education in particular) and lawyers embedded at every level looking for infractions or advising on how to avoid pitfalls. Not to mention the newest wrinkle, disparate impact.
     
    This is correct.

    It is raining poz in the defense industry, and it all comes from the FedGov heights.

    Based on this, I recommend we avoid starting any major wars anytime soon.

    As another pundit, possibly the Saker, stated, "Chinese and Russian weapon systems are made to kill the enemy. US weapon systems are made to create profits."
  124. L Woods says:
    @Jack D
    @CAL2

    The fact that she can't even remember what YEAR this happened is very telling. She then says that she was traumatized for the next 4 or 5 years (if not for the rest of her life) but she can't even say what year her trauma began. Most people who have experienced a significant trauma can remember the exact DAY that it happened because it divides their life into before and after. It's like their own personal 9/11.

    It's very convenient that the lack of specific dates makes it impossible for K to produce an alibi, but I think that's incidental. The real reason she can't remember is that if the incident (or something vaguely like it) took place at all, at the time, rather than being traumatic, she regarded it as what it was - harmless teenage horseplay and though nothing of it until 30 years (+/-) later when, with our new political understanding, it became clear that she had ALMOST been raped and as a "survivor" possessed desirable Victim Pokemon Points which in our society are even more valuable than Ph.D. degrees. Victim Pokemon Points can be wielded in all sort of situations - in couples therapy, in political debates - they are more valuable currency than an Amex Black Card. Usually rich and privileged white women are short on Victim Pokemon Points, which are one of they few things that money can't buy, but being a "rape survivor" is a good way to score this valuable good.

    Assuming the incident happened at all and that the boy involved was actually K (a big and unproven assumption) there is still zero evidence that the boy involved intended to actually rape her in the presence (and/or with the participation) of his friend. Fully accepting what she said as true, you have a teenage boy wrestling fully clothed with a teenage girl - this doesn't even count as 1st base, let alone a horrible crime. That she somehow "escaped" a terrible fate is purely in her head.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @L Woods, @Jim Don Bob

    It sounds like typical female bodice ripper fantasizing and wish fulfillment to me, combined with the obvious elements of current year herd mentality and opportunism. Words cannot express my weariness at the power structure’s incessant demand that we take this corrosive frivolity seriously (or else). How much longer this 200 proof idiocy can go on, I struggle to imagine.

  125. istevefan says:
    @Chief Seattle
    @istevefan

    I don't disagree that this is Dem / media playbook to tarnish someone they don't like. Or that the Republicans may cuck out. However, the accusation so far is significantly less damning than the Roy Moore business. In his case, the accusation was that a man in his early thirties was fairly systematically hitting up fairly young teen girls, using the power of his DA office to impress them. That's creepy if true, and something that would make him a bit of a freak. The accusation that BK got drunk in his teens and a bit pushy with a girl in his cohort and social circle is quite a bit different. Even if it was true, they were both minors, neither was in a position of power, and whatever did happen didn't come close to rape. Sure, the Dems and media can use the megaphone to make our imaginations fill in the worst, but the average person hears this, adjusts for bad memories and teen hormones, and likely shrugs it off.

    Replies: @istevefan, @Precious, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @L Woods

    That’s creepy if true, and something that would make him a bit of a freak.

    I still think the “evidence” they threw up with scrapbooks, yearbooks and the like were suspect at best. Too many fishy items in those pieces of evidence to destroy a man’s career.

    For example, I turn your attention to this story from the Washington Post. In this article 54 year old Debbie Gibson claims she dated Roy Moore in 1981, when she would have been 17 or 18 years of age. The Post includes a photo of Debbie’s “scrapbook” that includes movie ticket stubs from the summer of 1981 marking occasions she dated Moore and other guys. Note, that one of the tickets in this photo is a special orange ticket with “Child” written in the background. Hence, it was a child’s ticket usually issued at a lower price to those under 12 years of age. There is no way an 18 year old woman would get a child’s ticket.

    I am not saying this exonerates Moore. But come on, would you want to be convicted on evidence like this?

  126. @Jack D
    @CAL2

    The fact that she can't even remember what YEAR this happened is very telling. She then says that she was traumatized for the next 4 or 5 years (if not for the rest of her life) but she can't even say what year her trauma began. Most people who have experienced a significant trauma can remember the exact DAY that it happened because it divides their life into before and after. It's like their own personal 9/11.

    It's very convenient that the lack of specific dates makes it impossible for K to produce an alibi, but I think that's incidental. The real reason she can't remember is that if the incident (or something vaguely like it) took place at all, at the time, rather than being traumatic, she regarded it as what it was - harmless teenage horseplay and though nothing of it until 30 years (+/-) later when, with our new political understanding, it became clear that she had ALMOST been raped and as a "survivor" possessed desirable Victim Pokemon Points which in our society are even more valuable than Ph.D. degrees. Victim Pokemon Points can be wielded in all sort of situations - in couples therapy, in political debates - they are more valuable currency than an Amex Black Card. Usually rich and privileged white women are short on Victim Pokemon Points, which are one of they few things that money can't buy, but being a "rape survivor" is a good way to score this valuable good.

    Assuming the incident happened at all and that the boy involved was actually K (a big and unproven assumption) there is still zero evidence that the boy involved intended to actually rape her in the presence (and/or with the participation) of his friend. Fully accepting what she said as true, you have a teenage boy wrestling fully clothed with a teenage girl - this doesn't even count as 1st base, let alone a horrible crime. That she somehow "escaped" a terrible fate is purely in her head.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @L Woods, @Jim Don Bob

    She also did not tell anyone else at the time. Almost all the #MeToo victims, of Weinstein, Spacey, Moonves, etc., almost immediately confided in someone else about how scared and upset they were, and how they were afraid to say anything for (completely justified) fear of retaliation.

    This woman said nothing to anyone at the time, and we all know how taciturn teenage girls are.

  127. istevefan says:
    @Lot
    @istevefan

    I think the exact question for the various Senators who voted for Gorsuch but are undecided here is not whether this type of incident is disqualifying, but whether Kav lied to them about it.

    They may see it differently, but it isn't just he said she said. Judge denies it, her husband and therapist corroborated that she told them of his 6 years ago. Finally, Judge wrote a book a while ago about being a drunk in high school and mentions Kav getting puke-in-car drunk with him.

    For others, especially the red state dems, the question is whether they now have a free pass on what was looking to be a no-win vote.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Jack Hanson, @Noah172, @istevefan

    I think the exact question for the various Senators who voted for Gorsuch but are undecided here is not whether this type of incident is disqualifying, but whether Kav lied to them about it.

    How can you conclude he lied about it? Let’s say what the woman said did happen. If so it might have been a significant event in her life were she has some recollection about it. But to Kavanaugh he probably would have no recollection whatsoever because, a) he was drunk and b) he never even removed her clothing. To him there was nothing memorable and he has no reason to remember it.

    I am sure there are a many incidents in my past where I have no recollection about them, but someone might remember, because to that person what happened during that episode was significant.

    Likewise I can recall events about friends and family members that they have totally forgotten because something significant to me happened that day while to them it was just an ordinary day that was forgotten a couple weeks later.

    So I don’t buy the fact Kavanaugh lied. More than likely the event did not happen, or if it did, it just wasn’t a big enough event in his life to store.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @istevefan

    https://www.twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1041691054720860160

    , @Jack D
    @istevefan

    There is no winning this battle on the path you have chosen. The fact that K does not remember this event shows his deep misogyny and contempt for women. Here is the single most traumatic, defining event of this poor woman's life and K cannot even be bothered to remember her existence - she is no more important to this devil than a discarded gum wrapper. Etc., etc. Not to mention that he would be admitting that he is (or was at one time) a blackout drunk.

    That is why it is important (and K, unlike the rest of you fools, seems to understand this) for K to categorically deny that this event happened at all. Of course it would be rude for him to say directly that the woman is lying, but he can say that the actions that he is accused of simply did not happen. Not that he was drunk and doesn't remember or that it might have happened but a quick grope meant nothing to him so he has long ago forgotten about it, but that he never has and never would do something like this at all, ever, under any circumstances, period.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Marat

  128. istevefan says:

    Let’s say the Senate concludes this incident disqualifies Kavanaugh. Doesn’t this also mean he needs to be removed from his circuit judge job? If not, why not?

    If the dems succeed in derailing this and then do not move to impeach him from his current post, then something is not right.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @istevefan

    Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it.

    The Supreme Ct. is an even more elevated office than a Circuit Ct. judgeship and the threshold for confirmation (none - whatever the Senate feels like) is much lower than the standard for impeachment. That being said, in the current MeToo environment if any of these allegations are confirmed beyond their current he said/she said level of proof, K will be put under a lot of pressure to resign as Kozinski did.

  129. @istevefan
    @Lot


    I think the exact question for the various Senators who voted for Gorsuch but are undecided here is not whether this type of incident is disqualifying, but whether Kav lied to them about it.
     
    How can you conclude he lied about it? Let's say what the woman said did happen. If so it might have been a significant event in her life were she has some recollection about it. But to Kavanaugh he probably would have no recollection whatsoever because, a) he was drunk and b) he never even removed her clothing. To him there was nothing memorable and he has no reason to remember it.

    I am sure there are a many incidents in my past where I have no recollection about them, but someone might remember, because to that person what happened during that episode was significant.

    Likewise I can recall events about friends and family members that they have totally forgotten because something significant to me happened that day while to them it was just an ordinary day that was forgotten a couple weeks later.

    So I don't buy the fact Kavanaugh lied. More than likely the event did not happen, or if it did, it just wasn't a big enough event in his life to store.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D

  130. @Lot
    It is more serious than a grope, and Kav seems to have told multiple senators, including Collins, the charge was completely false. In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy.

    She seems very credible to me, and this gives the red state Dems who voted for Gorsuch cover to vote no. That means he can only lose 2 GOP votes, which include Flake, Corker, Collins, and Murkowski.

    Before this I was betting on him getting all the GOP votes plus 4 dems. I just switched to no confirmation by Oct 31, which pays 3:2 at the moment.

    It is in Collins interest to not have to vote for him one way or another, so I expect she will push for nominating someone else.

    Too bad if I am right, as Kav seemed to be more of a restrictionist than the other frontrunners.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @newrouter, @Anonymous, @Noah172, @Jack Hanson, @Jack D, @Anonym, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Kav is deep state approved after his role with Vince Foster. They need a guy who knows which way the wind blows on the SC. For that reason I think he gets approved.

  131. @Chief Seattle
    @istevefan

    I don't disagree that this is Dem / media playbook to tarnish someone they don't like. Or that the Republicans may cuck out. However, the accusation so far is significantly less damning than the Roy Moore business. In his case, the accusation was that a man in his early thirties was fairly systematically hitting up fairly young teen girls, using the power of his DA office to impress them. That's creepy if true, and something that would make him a bit of a freak. The accusation that BK got drunk in his teens and a bit pushy with a girl in his cohort and social circle is quite a bit different. Even if it was true, they were both minors, neither was in a position of power, and whatever did happen didn't come close to rape. Sure, the Dems and media can use the megaphone to make our imaginations fill in the worst, but the average person hears this, adjusts for bad memories and teen hormones, and likely shrugs it off.

    Replies: @istevefan, @Precious, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @L Woods

    However, the accusation so far is significantly less damning than the Roy Moore business. In his case, the accusation was that a man in his early thirties was fairly systematically hitting up fairly young teen girls, using the power of his DA office to impress them. That’s creepy if true, and something that would make him a bit of a freak.

    It is creepy if the girl finds it creepy. It is not creepy if the girl finds him attractive. In other words, whether it was creepy or not completely depends on Roy Moore’s socio-sexual status in the 1970s and the girl’s perception of that status back in the 1970s. Which is impossible for us to know and thus completely irrelevant as an issue by 1985 at the latest.

  132. @Rob McX
    How many eunuchs with law degrees does the US have at its disposal?

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    We already tried David Souter. Didn’t work out too well.

  133. @Jonathan Mason
    @MEH 0910

    She claimed in the letter that Kavanaugh and a classmate of his, both of whom had been drinking, turned up music that was playing in the room to conceal the sound of her protests, and that Kavanaugh covered her mouth with his hand.

    I would like to know what the music was. No self respecting teenager would ever forget that. Often teens will turn the volume up on a favorite song so that they can sing along.

    This was the biggest hit of 1982.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWz9VN40nCA

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I wonder if Kav asked if she wanted to hear his body talk. My wife loves that one.

  134. @Jack D
    @Lot


    In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy.
     
    Absolutely totally NOT in the current environment. You must be smoking crack. Thank God you are not K's advisor. The slightest admission that there is any truth to the accusation and his nomination is toast. This is how it works nowadays. His only hope is totally deny the allegation whether it is true or not. By completely denying the accusation, and given the lack of corroborating evidence (except for her bringing up a similar incident without actually naming K 30 years later) and details (she won't even say what year it was, making an alibi impossible) and together with the denial of the other man alleged to be present, it becomes he (or they) said/she said and the evidence is weak enough to at least give Republicans cover for their votes - "I evaluated the evidence and though I ALWAYS BELIEVE WOMEN, dear woman voters, in this case I didn't think there was enough evidence." But if he admits that it really happened, then it's curtains for him.


    The fact that his denial might be false is irrelevant. In a serious country, teenage hijinx should have zero relevance to a man's fitness for office 35 years later, but we no longer live in a serious country. So K is fully justified in fighting fire with fire. It's an HONOR to lie to Communists, who lie so freely themselves.

    Replies: @Federalist, @L Woods, @Dr. X, @Clyde

    In a serious country, teenage hijinx should have zero relevance to a man’s fitness for office 35 years later

    I wouldn’t go that far. I think they MIGHT have some relevance 35 years later, particularly IF they were part of a demonstrable pattern of recklessness, perversion, or criminality.

    But that clearly is not the case here. Even if the allegations are true, a one-off incident of a drunken kid groping a girl means absolutely nothing. In fact, I’d argue that any drunken 17 year old boy who doesn’t grope a girl at a party probably has something wrong with him.

    And that’s all he’s accused of — groping. He’s not being accused of actual rape, forcible sodomy or penetration, or any other perverse and deviant sexual behavior. She’s making it sound like an attempted rape, but we have no idea what her own behavior was at the party, if she made any suggestive comments or come-ons to him, or how drunk she was also.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Dr. X

    That was my point too.

    His audience isn't SJWs, it is red state dems and red state Trump/Dem swing voters they need to get. They have a healthier and more moderate view of teenage hijinks, especially when they are 35 years in the past.

  135. @istevefan
    Let's say the Senate concludes this incident disqualifies Kavanaugh. Doesn't this also mean he needs to be removed from his circuit judge job? If not, why not?

    If the dems succeed in derailing this and then do not move to impeach him from his current post, then something is not right.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it.

    The Supreme Ct. is an even more elevated office than a Circuit Ct. judgeship and the threshold for confirmation (none – whatever the Senate feels like) is much lower than the standard for impeachment. That being said, in the current MeToo environment if any of these allegations are confirmed beyond their current he said/she said level of proof, K will be put under a lot of pressure to resign as Kozinski did.

  136. My thought on all this highly entertaining nonsense: Ted Kennedy, Lion of the Senate, Moral Benchmark for politicians of every persuasion.

  137. @istevefan
    @Lot


    I think the exact question for the various Senators who voted for Gorsuch but are undecided here is not whether this type of incident is disqualifying, but whether Kav lied to them about it.
     
    How can you conclude he lied about it? Let's say what the woman said did happen. If so it might have been a significant event in her life were she has some recollection about it. But to Kavanaugh he probably would have no recollection whatsoever because, a) he was drunk and b) he never even removed her clothing. To him there was nothing memorable and he has no reason to remember it.

    I am sure there are a many incidents in my past where I have no recollection about them, but someone might remember, because to that person what happened during that episode was significant.

    Likewise I can recall events about friends and family members that they have totally forgotten because something significant to me happened that day while to them it was just an ordinary day that was forgotten a couple weeks later.

    So I don't buy the fact Kavanaugh lied. More than likely the event did not happen, or if it did, it just wasn't a big enough event in his life to store.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D

    There is no winning this battle on the path you have chosen. The fact that K does not remember this event shows his deep misogyny and contempt for women. Here is the single most traumatic, defining event of this poor woman’s life and K cannot even be bothered to remember her existence – she is no more important to this devil than a discarded gum wrapper. Etc., etc. Not to mention that he would be admitting that he is (or was at one time) a blackout drunk.

    That is why it is important (and K, unlike the rest of you fools, seems to understand this) for K to categorically deny that this event happened at all. Of course it would be rude for him to say directly that the woman is lying, but he can say that the actions that he is accused of simply did not happen. Not that he was drunk and doesn’t remember or that it might have happened but a quick grope meant nothing to him so he has long ago forgotten about it, but that he never has and never would do something like this at all, ever, under any circumstances, period.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke, MEH 0910
    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Jack D

    Exactly.

    , @Marat
    @Jack D

    There may well be some hurt feelings here -- on one side only. Or there may have been a change of mind about what actually happened. And then it all got "fixed" in her mind, with some professional assistance, starting in 2012.

    The victim doesn't need the book deal and fabulous cash prizes. Virtue signalling at the highest level is its own reward to a totalitarian bureaucrat apparachik of that particular ecosystem. But Democrats are betting the farm on this - I suspect they've got something in reserve.

    We don't know if any or all of them were drunk - for all we know she was verbally daring him alone and they both were having fun. Could have started as a tickle horsing around prank and bumped up a notch for a short while.

    Not buying that Prof can't place the year. Just not possible. Women remember what they were wearing - especially in the case where there is any tussle over it. Long hard thought likely (and discussions with girlfriends) went into the decision of what to wear. 95% of the time they go to a party with a friend, going alone looks bad - girls arrive in pairs and they always coordinate outfits. That info dictates what year it was.

    What was the second guy doing while the two were on the bed? Who turned on the music and when? Radio, cassette, or hifi? How come there's no mention of kissing? Awkward teenage noodling starts with kissing - only an accomplished rapist would leave that stage out! Could he have been kidding her about covering her mouth? Did she have a crush on him? Is he the reason she went to the party? Or was she interested in his friend?

    What does, "Mark Judge, jumped on top of them, sending all three tumbling" mean exactly? Sounds like a carefully constructed ambiguous phrase. Was he "saving" her or merely joining the rough-housing?

  138. Lol, I wonder if her therapy happened at this place:

    https://www.yelp.com/biz/couples-resource-center-palo-alto

    The address, 3872 Duncan place is the address of their residence…

  139. To me, the real question here is the basic one: does Kavanaugh have enough votes in the Senate to win?

    Nothing else really matters. I don’t for a second believe that the reality of this supposed event, whatever it might be, could ever justify derailing Kavanaugh’s nomination. At worst, he was 17 and she was only groped through her clothes. Most voters would not have a problem with him being nominated under those facts.

    But does Kavanaugh have enough votes in the Senate on his side to win at this point? That’s not so clear.

    The important thing is to conduct the kabuki convincingly enough that Kavanaugh will get the votes he needs.

  140. @BenKenobi
    @Jack Hanson

    I hope you and I can share a pod during the historic first orbital combat drop.

    Preferably on top of wherever Bilderburger is being held that year.

    ROE? Everyone’s hostile.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    You and me buddy. Army of Two, making the NYT building look like the US Embassy during the fall of Saigon.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    @Jack Hanson

    The Us Embassy in Saigon, was that not the place when everyone was escaping the building like rats leaving a sinking ship? Another glorious episode in US history.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Jack Hanson

    Sheeeit, include me in. I was saying the same thing about the Moore lynching. That’s the playbook. You always be right Mr. Hanson.

    , @Brutusale
    @Jack Hanson

    Taking down the Old Gray Whore? Count me it.

    Myself, I haven't trusted the Other Side in the Gender Wars since I was 13 and discovered that the girl who invited me to play Strip Poker was wearing three pairs of panties!

  141. Anon[243] • Disclaimer says:

    I have seen it said, but have not verified it, that Blasey oversees the CIA Undergraduate Internship Program at Stanford University. If true, this is very strange indeed. Wiki says she has been a research psychologist for Stanford’s Department of Psychiatry, though she is now associated with Palo Alto.

    Stanford does have a program like this:

    https://haas.stanford.edu/students/cardinal-careers/fellowships/cia-undergraduate-internship-program

    She is someone who has participated in a pussy hat march, and who has expressed vocal criticism of Trump, and donated to the Democrats.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Anon

    The Ds are running a bunch of CIA women in Nov, so that would fit.

  142. Second sentence in fourth paregraph seems to have never received a detail that was to have been filled in later.

  143. Speaking of noticing things but to my recollection, every single politically motivated false rape, sexual assault, domestic violence accusation turns out to be made by a liberal / left leaning person. Some times the victim is a liberal too but I cannot think of a single episode of where a Republican or conservative uses this ruse to attack an opponent.

    As revolting as I find them, false accusations like what happened to Kavanaugh are red-pilling the country to the point where not only are they not working but are beginning to have side effects. Pretty soon, the Democrats will have to go back and start accusing Republicans of being racist again. Will the Dems run a female in 2020 or another Obama? Both Harris and Booker will work on that ticket.

  144. @JimB
    @candid_observer

    Could it be that Ford was drunk and made a fool out of herself, groping someone at the party, not necessarily Kavanaugh, and that she got rebuffed for being fat. So she flipped the narrative to make herself look like the object of desire? Catholic school boys were pretty picky back in the early eighties, because they could be. I don’t think Ol’ Thunder thighs had a chance with him. (I saw the photo: she’s a porker.)

    Replies: @Travis, @anonymous

    True , we were picky. Would never let a friend see us with a fatty back in 1984. Kavanaugh would have been mocked endlessly at school if he tried to seduce the fat girl in front of his friends.

    She would never have been invited to one of our parties unless she had a decent looking girlfriend….maybe they told her the party was cancelled when she appeared at the party alone. Very strange that a teen girl would go to a party alone, to a strangers house where she did not know the boys. The entire story appears false. I do recall inviting girls we hardly knew to parties, less than 10% would attend and if they came they always came with several other friend. If the girl attended the party alone she would know who owned the house. I doubt any of her friends remember Kavanaugh or his friend, thus she has no friends from school to corroborate that she knew any boys from Georgetown Prep.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Travis

    There is no evidence so far that they even know each other.

  145. If this was a sexual assault and almost a rape, then I was sexually assaulted and almost raped multiple times around age 20 by multiple unattractive (usually very fat) girls. Each of them probably traumatized me to the core. I’m a sexual assault and near-rape survivor.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @reiner Tor

    So brave of you to come forward as a survivor. So inspiring.

  146. @Jack D
    @Lot


    In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy.
     
    Absolutely totally NOT in the current environment. You must be smoking crack. Thank God you are not K's advisor. The slightest admission that there is any truth to the accusation and his nomination is toast. This is how it works nowadays. His only hope is totally deny the allegation whether it is true or not. By completely denying the accusation, and given the lack of corroborating evidence (except for her bringing up a similar incident without actually naming K 30 years later) and details (she won't even say what year it was, making an alibi impossible) and together with the denial of the other man alleged to be present, it becomes he (or they) said/she said and the evidence is weak enough to at least give Republicans cover for their votes - "I evaluated the evidence and though I ALWAYS BELIEVE WOMEN, dear woman voters, in this case I didn't think there was enough evidence." But if he admits that it really happened, then it's curtains for him.


    The fact that his denial might be false is irrelevant. In a serious country, teenage hijinx should have zero relevance to a man's fitness for office 35 years later, but we no longer live in a serious country. So K is fully justified in fighting fire with fire. It's an HONOR to lie to Communists, who lie so freely themselves.

    Replies: @Federalist, @L Woods, @Dr. X, @Clyde

    More than agree. Young “Lot” is naive here. Would you trust his flaky accuser as a lower court judge? A few years ago I voted against all perceivable as female judges who were on the ballot.

  147. @Lot
    It is more serious than a grope, and Kav seems to have told multiple senators, including Collins, the charge was completely false. In retrospect some sort of apology for boorish behavior when he was a minor and drunk would have been a better strategy.

    She seems very credible to me, and this gives the red state Dems who voted for Gorsuch cover to vote no. That means he can only lose 2 GOP votes, which include Flake, Corker, Collins, and Murkowski.

    Before this I was betting on him getting all the GOP votes plus 4 dems. I just switched to no confirmation by Oct 31, which pays 3:2 at the moment.

    It is in Collins interest to not have to vote for him one way or another, so I expect she will push for nominating someone else.

    Too bad if I am right, as Kav seemed to be more of a restrictionist than the other frontrunners.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @newrouter, @Anonymous, @Noah172, @Jack Hanson, @Jack D, @Anonym, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Eunuch much? Geez. Lot. Really? There’s a place I think it is called the Corner. You will be right at home there.

  148. @Diversity Heretic
    @Anonymous

    Don't know what bomag's great-grandfather said, but Otto von Bismarck summarized the best societal roles of women as Kueche, Kinder und Kirche, kitchen, children, and church. Letting women have substantial influence in politics, and letting them into the workplace have been societal disasters.

    Replies: @Simply Simon, @Corvinus

    Based on my ninety years life experience I would say that’s the way it was until WWII came along. By necessity women were brought into the workplace and things have changed dramatically ever since.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Simply Simon

    There seems to be almost no limit as to the extent to which the world wars ruined everything.

  149. @Chief Seattle
    @istevefan

    I don't disagree that this is Dem / media playbook to tarnish someone they don't like. Or that the Republicans may cuck out. However, the accusation so far is significantly less damning than the Roy Moore business. In his case, the accusation was that a man in his early thirties was fairly systematically hitting up fairly young teen girls, using the power of his DA office to impress them. That's creepy if true, and something that would make him a bit of a freak. The accusation that BK got drunk in his teens and a bit pushy with a girl in his cohort and social circle is quite a bit different. Even if it was true, they were both minors, neither was in a position of power, and whatever did happen didn't come close to rape. Sure, the Dems and media can use the megaphone to make our imaginations fill in the worst, but the average person hears this, adjusts for bad memories and teen hormones, and likely shrugs it off.

    Replies: @istevefan, @Precious, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @L Woods

    Wrong. It was a hit job from the Rinos and the Demoncats. The same people that excused a 50ish sitting President getting a BJ in the Oval Office from a 20 something intern.

    I am so sick of you Cucks willing to take it up the you know what so you can virtue signal. The Left wins because they fight to win. Cucks fight to lose.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  150. @Jack D
    @istevefan

    There is no winning this battle on the path you have chosen. The fact that K does not remember this event shows his deep misogyny and contempt for women. Here is the single most traumatic, defining event of this poor woman's life and K cannot even be bothered to remember her existence - she is no more important to this devil than a discarded gum wrapper. Etc., etc. Not to mention that he would be admitting that he is (or was at one time) a blackout drunk.

    That is why it is important (and K, unlike the rest of you fools, seems to understand this) for K to categorically deny that this event happened at all. Of course it would be rude for him to say directly that the woman is lying, but he can say that the actions that he is accused of simply did not happen. Not that he was drunk and doesn't remember or that it might have happened but a quick grope meant nothing to him so he has long ago forgotten about it, but that he never has and never would do something like this at all, ever, under any circumstances, period.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Marat

    Exactly.

  151. @Jack Hanson
    @BenKenobi

    You and me buddy. Army of Two, making the NYT building look like the US Embassy during the fall of Saigon.

    Replies: @Simply Simon, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Brutusale

    The Us Embassy in Saigon, was that not the place when everyone was escaping the building like rats leaving a sinking ship? Another glorious episode in US history.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Simply Simon

    The one and the same.

  152. @Lurker
    @Lot

    Im sorry, I can't help but be reminded of this:

    https://goo.gl/images/EFMxC5

    Replies: @Lot

    That’s quite a classic from the pancake on rabbit’s head era.

    Embed your pics next time though so we don’t have to click on a google link.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Lot

    Sorry about that, I thought I had. But by the time I noticed I hadn't, the edit deadline had passed.

  153. @Dr. X
    @Jack D


    In a serious country, teenage hijinx should have zero relevance to a man’s fitness for office 35 years later
     
    I wouldn't go that far. I think they MIGHT have some relevance 35 years later, particularly IF they were part of a demonstrable pattern of recklessness, perversion, or criminality.

    But that clearly is not the case here. Even if the allegations are true, a one-off incident of a drunken kid groping a girl means absolutely nothing. In fact, I'd argue that any drunken 17 year old boy who doesn't grope a girl at a party probably has something wrong with him.

    And that's all he's accused of -- groping. He's not being accused of actual rape, forcible sodomy or penetration, or any other perverse and deviant sexual behavior. She's making it sound like an attempted rape, but we have no idea what her own behavior was at the party, if she made any suggestive comments or come-ons to him, or how drunk she was also.

    Replies: @Lot

    That was my point too.

    His audience isn’t SJWs, it is red state dems and red state Trump/Dem swing voters they need to get. They have a healthier and more moderate view of teenage hijinks, especially when they are 35 years in the past.

  154. @Daniel H
    @Space Ghost

    >>So, this whole incident establishes the playbook for torpedoing ANY male nominee for high office in the future.

    This incident establishes the playbook for torpedoing any REPUBLICAN male nominee for high office in the future.

    If the Republicans cuck out to this they are useless, write them off.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax

    The media decides which torpedoes are deadly and which are duds.

  155. @Chief Seattle
    @istevefan

    I don't disagree that this is Dem / media playbook to tarnish someone they don't like. Or that the Republicans may cuck out. However, the accusation so far is significantly less damning than the Roy Moore business. In his case, the accusation was that a man in his early thirties was fairly systematically hitting up fairly young teen girls, using the power of his DA office to impress them. That's creepy if true, and something that would make him a bit of a freak. The accusation that BK got drunk in his teens and a bit pushy with a girl in his cohort and social circle is quite a bit different. Even if it was true, they were both minors, neither was in a position of power, and whatever did happen didn't come close to rape. Sure, the Dems and media can use the megaphone to make our imaginations fill in the worst, but the average person hears this, adjusts for bad memories and teen hormones, and likely shrugs it off.

    Replies: @istevefan, @Precious, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @L Woods

    “Creepy” is an inane female shaming term and nothing else. If they weren’t getting with him, they’d be getting passed around by the high school football team.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @L Woods


    “Creepy” is an inane female shaming term and nothing else. If they weren’t getting with him, they’d be getting passed around by the high school football team.
     
    WTF? Do you think we can't tell when someone is leering us?
  156. @Jack Hanson
    @BenKenobi

    You and me buddy. Army of Two, making the NYT building look like the US Embassy during the fall of Saigon.

    Replies: @Simply Simon, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Brutusale

    Sheeeit, include me in. I was saying the same thing about the Moore lynching. That’s the playbook. You always be right Mr. Hanson.

  157. @Simply Simon
    @Diversity Heretic

    Based on my ninety years life experience I would say that's the way it was until WWII came along. By necessity women were brought into the workplace and things have changed dramatically ever since.

    Replies: @L Woods

    There seems to be almost no limit as to the extent to which the world wars ruined everything.

  158. @reiner Tor
    If this was a sexual assault and almost a rape, then I was sexually assaulted and almost raped multiple times around age 20 by multiple unattractive (usually very fat) girls. Each of them probably traumatized me to the core. I'm a sexual assault and near-rape survivor.

    Replies: @L Woods

    So brave of you to come forward as a survivor. So inspiring.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  159. @Travis
    @JimB

    True , we were picky. Would never let a friend see us with a fatty back in 1984. Kavanaugh would have been mocked endlessly at school if he tried to seduce the fat girl in front of his friends.

    She would never have been invited to one of our parties unless she had a decent looking girlfriend....maybe they told her the party was cancelled when she appeared at the party alone. Very strange that a teen girl would go to a party alone, to a strangers house where she did not know the boys. The entire story appears false. I do recall inviting girls we hardly knew to parties, less than 10% would attend and if they came they always came with several other friend. If the girl attended the party alone she would know who owned the house. I doubt any of her friends remember Kavanaugh or his friend, thus she has no friends from school to corroborate that she knew any boys from Georgetown Prep.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    There is no evidence so far that they even know each other.

  160. @Marat
    It’s endless dysfunction as far as the eye can see if this Madness isn’t stopped. Congress won’t have the balls to hold the line, especially given it is their legislation since 1964 allowing the federal government to dictate the queer terms of paranoid, apologetic, and groveling PC culture that’s developed over 6 decades. Its no random accident — it’s actually a rational response to insane laws and incentives.

    Feminism (and all Hillary’s pet -isms) would evaporate overnite without the force of the federal government behind it. Corporations, institutions, and individuals are subject to Civil Rights Division penalties and remedies at every turn, often with carrot/stick complications of federal funding (education in particular) and lawyers embedded at every level looking for infractions or advising on how to avoid pitfalls. Not to mention the newest wrinkle, disparate impact. The whole thing needs to be drastically pruned back to normal before it strangles us to all death, besides just Brett and Christine.

    Comfort pet peacocks and pigs at the airport, lawyers hunting for bathroom mirrors installed an inch too low, campus madness, and even tech resorting to censoring — these are all reasonable responses to fear of running afoul of federal legislation and penalties, or in soliciting federal incentives and funding.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Feminism (and all Hillary’s pet -isms) would evaporate overnite without the force of the federal government behind it. Corporations, institutions, and individuals are subject to Civil Rights Division penalties and remedies at every turn, often with carrot/stick complications of federal funding (education in particular) and lawyers embedded at every level looking for infractions or advising on how to avoid pitfalls. Not to mention the newest wrinkle, disparate impact.

    This is correct.

    It is raining poz in the defense industry, and it all comes from the FedGov heights.

    Based on this, I recommend we avoid starting any major wars anytime soon.

    As another pundit, possibly the Saker, stated, “Chinese and Russian weapon systems are made to kill the enemy. US weapon systems are made to create profits.”

  161. @Simply Simon
    @Jack Hanson

    The Us Embassy in Saigon, was that not the place when everyone was escaping the building like rats leaving a sinking ship? Another glorious episode in US history.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    The one and the same.

  162. @Shingas the Terrible
    If the cucks, predictably, cuck to the revolutionary left, Trump’s response should be to nominate an even more reactionary, hardcore right winger with no bullshit Ivy League swamp trail. An absolute unknown not born to privilege with a law degree from Flyover State and 45 years old, and one giant chip on his shoulder.

    No surrender.

    Replies: @Flip, @Anonymous

    After this rehashed high-tech lynching I say screw it, it’s time for Trump to execute Order 66, i.e. announce the nomination of Amy Wax

    • Agree: Desiderius
  163. Even assuming he did it, Kavanaugh was an adolescent at the time, there was no sex or penetration – she supposedly ran out the door before any sex – so at most he might have committed a misdemeanor battery or assault or false imprisonment – and there is no evidence of a pattern of behavior. In my opinion, it shouldn’t matter what he did a long time ago as long as he hasn’t done it recently.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Alvin


    Even assuming he did it, Kavanaugh was an adolescent at the time, there was no sex or penetration – she supposedly ran out the door before any sex – so at most he might have committed a misdemeanor battery or assault or false imprisonment – and there is no evidence of a pattern of behavior. In my opinion, it shouldn’t matter what he did a long time ago as long as he hasn’t done it recently.
     
    I very much agree with you. Furthermore, this kind of thing does women a very grave disservice. Notice how many commenters here are blaming this on feminism. I don't see what this has to do with feminism. This is just a power struggle among men using feigned concern for women as cover. I'm not necessarily interested in defending feminism, except that the term is often understood to mean any concern for women's rights at all.
  164. @Ed
    @Marat

    This is what is so maddening to me. You have “conservative” pundits like Dave French saying this is disqualifying. I’m like WTF?

    A teenage boy, that attends an all male school is horsing around with teenage girls at a co-ed party and 35 years later this can disqualify him from a job? I don’t even understand why people are even entertaining any of it. The Republicans run so scared of the press it’s pathetic. They have no inkling or care of what anyone outside the bubble thinks. Anyone hearing this outside of the beltway machine would think this is crazy. I dare say even most liberals.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist, @Nicholas Stix

    Democrats throw the best parties, probably don’t want their invites canned!

  165. @Anon7
    This is a dog whistle to Democrats and especially feminists. "Oh, can't you see it... it's Anita Hill and Justice Thomas all over again. Always the pure women pawed over and then ignored, always the filthy men prized and nominated."

    It's always echoes from the past...


    [Anita Hill:] “The reluctance of someone to come forward demonstrates that even in the #MeToo era, it remains incredibly difficult to report harassment, abuse or assault by people in power.”

    Last December, Hill received an apology from the Chairman of that infamous hearing in 1991 — former Vice President Joe Biden.

    “I wish I had been able to do more for Anita Hill. I owe her an apology,” he said.

    (Via Essence)

     

    Thankfully, it's incredibly easy to report harassment, abuse and assault... anonymously.

    Anita Hill wants a process to investigate any and all such charges. Now wouldn't that be living the dream - an endless Mueller-style investigation of every man in public life.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @U-Bahn

    Anon7 writes

    Anita Hill wants a process to investigate any and all such charges. Now wouldn’t that
    be living the dream – an endless Mueller-style investigation of every man in public life.

    Hill is following the campus model. Gin up a problem and a sinecure.

  166. @Anon
    I have seen it said, but have not verified it, that Blasey oversees the CIA Undergraduate Internship Program at Stanford University. If true, this is very strange indeed. Wiki says she has been a research psychologist for Stanford’s Department of Psychiatry, though she is now associated with Palo Alto.

    Stanford does have a program like this:

    https://haas.stanford.edu/students/cardinal-careers/fellowships/cia-undergraduate-internship-program

    She is someone who has participated in a pussy hat march, and who has expressed vocal criticism of Trump, and donated to the Democrats.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The Ds are running a bunch of CIA women in Nov, so that would fit.

  167. @Jack Hanson
    @BenKenobi

    You and me buddy. Army of Two, making the NYT building look like the US Embassy during the fall of Saigon.

    Replies: @Simply Simon, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Brutusale

    Taking down the Old Gray Whore? Count me it.

    Myself, I haven’t trusted the Other Side in the Gender Wars since I was 13 and discovered that the girl who invited me to play Strip Poker was wearing three pairs of panties!

  168. @Jack D
    @istevefan

    There is no winning this battle on the path you have chosen. The fact that K does not remember this event shows his deep misogyny and contempt for women. Here is the single most traumatic, defining event of this poor woman's life and K cannot even be bothered to remember her existence - she is no more important to this devil than a discarded gum wrapper. Etc., etc. Not to mention that he would be admitting that he is (or was at one time) a blackout drunk.

    That is why it is important (and K, unlike the rest of you fools, seems to understand this) for K to categorically deny that this event happened at all. Of course it would be rude for him to say directly that the woman is lying, but he can say that the actions that he is accused of simply did not happen. Not that he was drunk and doesn't remember or that it might have happened but a quick grope meant nothing to him so he has long ago forgotten about it, but that he never has and never would do something like this at all, ever, under any circumstances, period.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Marat

    There may well be some hurt feelings here — on one side only. Or there may have been a change of mind about what actually happened. And then it all got “fixed” in her mind, with some professional assistance, starting in 2012.

    The victim doesn’t need the book deal and fabulous cash prizes. Virtue signalling at the highest level is its own reward to a totalitarian bureaucrat apparachik of that particular ecosystem. But Democrats are betting the farm on this – I suspect they’ve got something in reserve.

    We don’t know if any or all of them were drunk – for all we know she was verbally daring him alone and they both were having fun. Could have started as a tickle horsing around prank and bumped up a notch for a short while.

    Not buying that Prof can’t place the year. Just not possible. Women remember what they were wearing – especially in the case where there is any tussle over it. Long hard thought likely (and discussions with girlfriends) went into the decision of what to wear. 95% of the time they go to a party with a friend, going alone looks bad – girls arrive in pairs and they always coordinate outfits. That info dictates what year it was.

    What was the second guy doing while the two were on the bed? Who turned on the music and when? Radio, cassette, or hifi? How come there’s no mention of kissing? Awkward teenage noodling starts with kissing – only an accomplished rapist would leave that stage out! Could he have been kidding her about covering her mouth? Did she have a crush on him? Is he the reason she went to the party? Or was she interested in his friend?

    What does, “Mark Judge, jumped on top of them, sending all three tumbling” mean exactly? Sounds like a carefully constructed ambiguous phrase. Was he “saving” her or merely joining the rough-housing?

  169. This is actually Orwellian. They’re trying to control the government by having these random women accuse people of rape 40 years ago. This has gone too far. Enough is enough.

  170. I wonder if Mr Obama had any #metoo-style encounters in high school?

  171. @JimB
    @candid_observer

    Could it be that Ford was drunk and made a fool out of herself, groping someone at the party, not necessarily Kavanaugh, and that she got rebuffed for being fat. So she flipped the narrative to make herself look like the object of desire? Catholic school boys were pretty picky back in the early eighties, because they could be. I don’t think Ol’ Thunder thighs had a chance with him. (I saw the photo: she’s a porker.)

    Replies: @Travis, @anonymous

    A party with 4 guys and one 15 year old girl?

    Does she have parents?

    • Replies: @Rxtek
    @anonymous

    Of course she did, she lied about where she would be, like I did. She wanted to be noticed like I did. She recalls the "incident " like I did. It was a train wreck. No one benefited, no one got what they thought they would. Why blame the young teen. She had to defend her behavior to her husband. She played the part of the temptress. Quite the pathetic part as most teenagers would be.

    , @JimB
    @anonymous

    You bring up an EXCELLENT point. Bret Kavanaugh’s mother was a state judge who presided over a foreclosure case against the pussyhat professor’a parents. Obviously, Pussyhat grew up in a chaotic household with financially incompetent parents. She probably had a checkered sexual history resulting from putting herself in unwise situations, like attending unsupervised pool parties with senior boys. And her parents didn’t give a shit. This whole situation reminds me of Peter Gabriel’s intensely wussy song “Digging through the Dirt.”

    Pussyhat should leave Judge Kavanaugh out of her dumb psychodrama. He doesn’t deserve it. His family doesn’t deserve it. Her motive is revenge, plain and simple. She never could have the joy of a Catholic life well lived, so she’s gonna burn down Bret’s house.

  172. @Alvin
    Even assuming he did it, Kavanaugh was an adolescent at the time, there was no sex or penetration - she supposedly ran out the door before any sex - so at most he might have committed a misdemeanor battery or assault or false imprisonment - and there is no evidence of a pattern of behavior. In my opinion, it shouldn't matter what he did a long time ago as long as he hasn't done it recently.

    Replies: @Rosie

    Even assuming he did it, Kavanaugh was an adolescent at the time, there was no sex or penetration – she supposedly ran out the door before any sex – so at most he might have committed a misdemeanor battery or assault or false imprisonment – and there is no evidence of a pattern of behavior. In my opinion, it shouldn’t matter what he did a long time ago as long as he hasn’t done it recently.

    I very much agree with you. Furthermore, this kind of thing does women a very grave disservice. Notice how many commenters here are blaming this on feminism. I don’t see what this has to do with feminism. This is just a power struggle among men using feigned concern for women as cover. I’m not necessarily interested in defending feminism, except that the term is often understood to mean any concern for women’s rights at all.

  173. @L Woods
    @Chief Seattle

    “Creepy” is an inane female shaming term and nothing else. If they weren’t getting with him, they’d be getting passed around by the high school football team.

    Replies: @Rosie

    “Creepy” is an inane female shaming term and nothing else. If they weren’t getting with him, they’d be getting passed around by the high school football team.

    WTF? Do you think we can’t tell when someone is leering us?

  174. I would really love to see some polling on this. My guess is that your average American woman simply does not GAF about this, just like we didn’t GAF about the pussy-grabbing remark.

  175. @Lot
    @Lurker

    That's quite a classic from the pancake on rabbit's head era.

    Embed your pics next time though so we don't have to click on a google link.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Sorry about that, I thought I had. But by the time I noticed I hadn’t, the edit deadline had passed.

  176. @Ed
    @Marat

    This is what is so maddening to me. You have “conservative” pundits like Dave French saying this is disqualifying. I’m like WTF?

    A teenage boy, that attends an all male school is horsing around with teenage girls at a co-ed party and 35 years later this can disqualify him from a job? I don’t even understand why people are even entertaining any of it. The Republicans run so scared of the press it’s pathetic. They have no inkling or care of what anyone outside the bubble thinks. Anyone hearing this outside of the beltway machine would think this is crazy. I dare say even most liberals.

    Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist, @Nicholas Stix

    David French is a lost soul. He devoted 3,000 words in Commentary to an apologia for the Trayvon Martin Hoax. Sanctimony without morality. A deadly mix.

    http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2013/03/at-commentary-french-cheese-eating.html

  177. Just when it seems this country can’t reach any higher level of insanity, we seem to reach yet another new high (or low). Where does this end? This frenzied insanity cannot go on forever.

    Trump won because of eight years of Obama. If this nominee is derailed on nothing more than what this women says, with zero evidence, what is going to be the reaction of the deplorables?

    Be careful, Dems. It just might mean a huge Red wave in November.

  178. Anonymous [AKA "Waubens"] says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    A teenage boy apparently groped a teenage girl, or tried to, at a party a long time ago. Perhaps there was underage drinking there too.

    Many years later that boy was up for Supreme Court nomination. The girl, who was now a middle aged married woman with marital problems*, did not like his political views, insofar as she thought she knew what they were, so she came forward with this allegation in the hope that his nomination would be derailed and someone else appointed to the Supreme Court. Hell hath no fury...


    * I say this because she was in some kind of therapy in 2012 when this issue of involuntary groping came up.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Well we’ll, it all adds up now…she is a registered Democrat…too.
    Imagine that…wouldn’t be the first time a Democrat tried to gum up the system.
    It’s not that hard to see through the BS.

  179. Anonymous [AKA "Edward Brynes"] says:

    I don’t know what it means to decide even when there is a 50.01% “preponderance of evidence”, especially in a case like this. You may as well toss a coin. But that is the standard that Ilya Somin and others propose for Kavanagh.

  180. Anonymous [AKA "ElenaMar"] says:
    @theMann
    Oh man, I was at that party!


    They way I remember it, she was stumbling drunk, the guys took her to the bedroom so she could lie down (after puking), and they all fell on the bed laughing. Then she hurled again, and somebody took her home.


    Yea, yea, 40 years ago, but I remember it like it was yesterday.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    So, LOT, you “assume” she is telling the truth? After 36 years of the so-called happening, and six years re: her counseling, and the fact that she is not sure what year it happened, you tend to believe her. Sorry, it is just another ploy to deter the acceptance of Brett Kavanaugh. The Democrats are doing everything and pulling every stunt possible to avoid the acceptance of his being on the Supreme Court. What I do not understand with most of these accusations, particularly in the case of Kavanaugh, that nothing has been brought up about them all the years after. To be truthful, I would think that almost every woman has been accosted, as I also was. I was not raped but there were unwanted advances to which my answer was always “no”. If there had been an incident of minor unwanted groping or touching, I certainly would not broadcast it against a man 36 years later. It could have been a one-time wrong sense of judgment and since it wasn’t rape should have been forgotten. To have a vendetta against a family man who has an impeccable record is grossly unfair. In unfair cases such as this, my heart goes out to the wives and children of these men. These women have no regard for the embarrassment this causes the family. Shame on these women for disrupting lives so they can get a little exposure and possibly money. Shame on them, and shame on you, LOT, for defending this woman. But then again, that is your right; my apology.

  181. All of a sudden this “woman” crawls out of the woodwork. Why were there no accusations alleged at the time. How can she recall accurately an event ~ 40 years ago. Why were they not made earlier in his career. Many young men tried to engage me in my youth. That is why it is called youth. That is the time to make mistakes. Why are there not dozens of these kind of allegations being claimed throughout his career?

    • Replies: @JimB
    @Rxtek


    All of a sudden this “woman” crawls out of the woodwork. Why were there no accusations alleged at the time.
     
    Professor Pussyhat is motivated by green-eyed jealousy. She is a woman of a certain age whose husband lost sexual interest in her a decade ago. But with a 3.5 million dollar shack in Palo Alto, they ain't living like the Rockefellers. Obviously she and her husband would have to leave prestigious Palo Alto if they split their assets in a divorce. So they tried to work things out in couples counseling, which never works. A man loses interest for biological, not emotional reasons. Anyway, Prof. Pussyhat brews up in therapy a cock-and-bull story about being sexually assaulted at a party in high school to make herself out to be simultaneously a victim and an object of desire. Her assailant is "fill in the blank" until she saw the chance to be a Resistance Hero and screw a guy she knew about who had a storybook perfect life. So she wrote a letter to her congress-thing.

    It seems clear to me that Prof. Pussyhat is a sociopath, but not a lovable one like Hannibal Lecter. More like one he might eat with a nice Chianti and fava beans. Silicon Valley has obligingly scrubbed all her social media so we'll never see those Rate My Professor reviews.

  182. Anonymous[721] • Disclaimer says:

    She was probably groped at a teen party, but doesn’t know who! Story doesn’t pass the sniff test! Bretts mom was a judge who had to repo her parents property! Now was her time for revenge and Dems running with her song hoping to fill the Senate in 2018, great way to stall nominee!! Simple..since she is far left it is a win for Dems to run with story, for her it revenge.

  183. @anonymous
    @JimB

    A party with 4 guys and one 15 year old girl?

    Does she have parents?

    Replies: @Rxtek, @JimB

    Of course she did, she lied about where she would be, like I did. She wanted to be noticed like I did. She recalls the “incident ” like I did. It was a train wreck. No one benefited, no one got what they thought they would. Why blame the young teen. She had to defend her behavior to her husband. She played the part of the temptress. Quite the pathetic part as most teenagers would be.

  184. @Anonymous
    @bomag

    Great grandpa was right.

    What did your great grandpa say?

    Replies: @moshe, @Diversity Heretic, @bomag

    What did your great grandpa say?

    A general reference to the traditional values of his day; before the vote, feminism, etc.

  185. @anonymous
    @JimB

    A party with 4 guys and one 15 year old girl?

    Does she have parents?

    Replies: @Rxtek, @JimB

    You bring up an EXCELLENT point. Bret Kavanaugh’s mother was a state judge who presided over a foreclosure case against the pussyhat professor’a parents. Obviously, Pussyhat grew up in a chaotic household with financially incompetent parents. She probably had a checkered sexual history resulting from putting herself in unwise situations, like attending unsupervised pool parties with senior boys. And her parents didn’t give a shit. This whole situation reminds me of Peter Gabriel’s intensely wussy song “Digging through the Dirt.”

    Pussyhat should leave Judge Kavanaugh out of her dumb psychodrama. He doesn’t deserve it. His family doesn’t deserve it. Her motive is revenge, plain and simple. She never could have the joy of a Catholic life well lived, so she’s gonna burn down Bret’s house.

  186. @Anon
    If I'm a Dem strategist, I'm lining up volunteers to complain on record, with witnesses, about the most powerful conservative men and women in Washington. How many is that? 1,000? 2,ooo?

    Then, you just pull out the record whenever you need to. Boom, destroyed.

    Replies: @Buford

    I remember when the Judge tried to hold hands with a female that was in his class while in the third grade. The teacher made the girl go stand in the closet for refusing his advances. The teacher by the way was a male. When the girl did get out of the closet she admitted that she was a lesbian and that is why she refused his unwelcome advances.

  187. @Rxtek
    All of a sudden this "woman" crawls out of the woodwork. Why were there no accusations alleged at the time. How can she recall accurately an event ~ 40 years ago. Why were they not made earlier in his career. Many young men tried to engage me in my youth. That is why it is called youth. That is the time to make mistakes. Why are there not dozens of these kind of allegations being claimed throughout his career?

    Replies: @JimB

    All of a sudden this “woman” crawls out of the woodwork. Why were there no accusations alleged at the time.

    Professor Pussyhat is motivated by green-eyed jealousy. She is a woman of a certain age whose husband lost sexual interest in her a decade ago. But with a 3.5 million dollar shack in Palo Alto, they ain’t living like the Rockefellers. Obviously she and her husband would have to leave prestigious Palo Alto if they split their assets in a divorce. So they tried to work things out in couples counseling, which never works. A man loses interest for biological, not emotional reasons. Anyway, Prof. Pussyhat brews up in therapy a cock-and-bull story about being sexually assaulted at a party in high school to make herself out to be simultaneously a victim and an object of desire. Her assailant is “fill in the blank” until she saw the chance to be a Resistance Hero and screw a guy she knew about who had a storybook perfect life. So she wrote a letter to her congress-thing.

    It seems clear to me that Prof. Pussyhat is a sociopath, but not a lovable one like Hannibal Lecter. More like one he might eat with a nice Chianti and fava beans. Silicon Valley has obligingly scrubbed all her social media so we’ll never see those Rate My Professor reviews.

  188. @Diversity Heretic
    @Anonymous

    Don't know what bomag's great-grandfather said, but Otto von Bismarck summarized the best societal roles of women as Kueche, Kinder und Kirche, kitchen, children, and church. Letting women have substantial influence in politics, and letting them into the workplace have been societal disasters.

    Replies: @Simply Simon, @Corvinus

    “Letting women have substantial influence in politics, and letting them into the workplace have been societal disasters.”

    Actually, white Europeans acquit themselves as being head of the class regarding societal disasters with their Invade The World, Invite The World mentality. And southern plantation owners should have picked their own damn cotton!

    Thankfully, we’re not going back to those days where women were barefoot and pregnant, and get smacked around by their fella merely for speaking their mind.

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