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My wife has decided to watch classic movie musicals that have gotten even more entertaining over the decades because they are now so sexist that they’d make most Current Year people’s heads explode. So far, she has watched Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, in which an 1850s Oregon mountain man reads Plutarch’s chapter The Rape of the Sabine Women and gets a great idea for where his six little brothers can get wives: they should just kidnap them like the Romans did.

And then she watched Gigi, about the training of an adolescent girl to be a rich man’s mistress:

What can follow up on those?

 
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  1. Clyde says:

    Everyone returns to, or at least revisits, what worked for them in their younger years, up to age 26. I know I do. Just bite off a chunk of the younger you, and see.

  2. How about “My Fair Lady”? Heavily sexist, great songs, what’s not to like?

  3. On the other hand, South Pacific romanticizes inter-relational relationships, which makes it seem more Woke than other musicals from that era:

  4. Suggestions Needed

  5. The 19th Century mountain could read well enough to read and understand an English translation of Plutarch’s writings, despite the scarcity of books in his home (I think his family had a Bible, and the wife brought along the Plutarch.) He would seem like a prodigy of intellect compared to most of today’s college graduates.

  6. @advancedatheist

    Back in 2014, I pointed out that Hawaiian-born Obama becoming President is the fulfillment of Hammerstein & Michener’s campaign to strengthen America’s influence in the Third World by creating more mixed-race American elites, such as the Hawaiian-born “Golden Man” at the end of Michener’s “Hawaii” who represents America abroad in the future.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/obama_the_musical_steve_sailer/

  7. Nachum says:

    My theater company just finished its run of Hello Dolly. Naturally there was some complaint about how misogynist it supposedly is.

  8. Carousel. The hero, Billy Bigelow, hits his wife, Julie, and thinks about deserting her. Also gets involved in a robbery. But Julie sings anyway:

    Oh, whats the use of wond’rin’
    If hes good or if hes bad?
    He’s your fella and you love him
    That’s all there is to that
    Common sense may tell you
    That the ending will be sad
    And now’s the time to break and run away
    But whats the use of wond’rin’
    If the ending will be sad?
    Hes your fella and you love him
    There’s nothing more to say
    Something made him the way that he is
    Whether hes false or true
    And something gave him the things that are his
    One of those things is you
    So when he wants your kisses
    You will give them to the lad
    And anywhere he leads you, you will walk
    And any time he needs you
    You’ll go running there like mad….

    Moral: Bad boys have girls falling all over them. See Ted Bundy. And every high-school graduation is a memorial to Carousel.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @mc23
  9. Lady and The Tramp?

    • Thanks: HammerJack, mc23, Director95
    • LOL: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  10. notsaying says:

    Nothing was coming to mind so I thought, what about English musicals? They have a film industry that produced some magnificent work.

    I saw a list of over 150 at Wikipedia and didn’t recognize any of them. There must be some real hoots on many levels in there and a few good ones too. My guess is a lot of them just have singing but not dancing.

    So make if it what you will. Here is the link:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:British_musical_films

    If they did any adaptations of Gilbert and Sullivan works, that could certainly make Woke heads explode!

    • Replies: @Renard
    , @Dmon
  11. Flower Drum Song. Japanese actors playing Chinese people. Ethnic stereotypes. And, of course, “I Enjoy Being a Girl”:

    When I hear a complementary whistle
    That greets my bikini by the sea
    I turn and I glower and I gristle
    But I’m happy to know the whistles meant for me

    I’m strictly a female female
    And my future I hope will be
    In the home of a brave and free male
    Who’ll enjoy being a guy, having a girl like me

    • Agree: jinkforp
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @AceDeuce
    , @Joe Stalin
  12. My Fair Lady:

    Why can’t a woman be more like a man?
    Men are so honest, so thoroughly square;
    Eternally noble, historically fair.
    Who, when you win, will always give your back a pat.
    Why can’t a woman be like that?

    Why does every one do what the others do?
    Can’t a woman learn to use her head?
    Why do they do everything their mothers do?
    Why don’t they grow up, well, like their father instead?…

    If I were hours late for dinner would you bellow?

    Of course not.

    If I forgot your silly birthday, would you fuss?

    Nonsense.

    Would you complain if I took out another fellow?

    Never.

    Why can’t a woman be like us?…

    Why is thinking something women never do?
    And why is logic never even tried?
    Straightening up their hair is all they ever do.
    Why don’t they straighten up the mess that’s inside?

    ‘Nuff said.

  13. Clyde says:
    @Steve Sailer

    James A. Michener Returns to the South Pacific
    1.5K views
    2 years ago
    Donna Esposito WWII
    Diane Swayer accompanies author James A. Michener on a trip back to the island of Espiritu Santo in Vanuatu (New Hebride….

  14. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:

    The Sound of Music NJ. Christopher Plummer was a definite plus.

  15. OT: Scott Adams says anti-vaxxers are the winners.

  16. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:

    Annie Get Your Gun

    “Anything You Can Do I Can Do Better”

    Silk Stockings

    A song about the joys of wearing sexy lingerie…um, if you’re female….

  17. I am beginning to think that Steve’s “wife” only exists in his imagination. I am no feminist but even I find the topic of those movies to be offensive.

  18. “Song of the South”

    A two for one, Disney won’t release it on DVD, BR or digitally , because of the supposed racist depiction of blacks. Also, women are portrayed in very traditional roles. I believe it’s only available for import. It’s never been remastered nor has the video been cleaned up.
    A real shame because it’s a wonderful classic Disney film with great animation and music.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    , @JimB
    , @Prester John
  19. Holiday Inn with Bing Crosby singing I am Dreaming of a White Christmas.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Slim
    , @Woodsie
  20. “Sound of Music.”

    “A few of my favorite things.”

  21. @Steve Sailer

    That was before we discovered the new version of the one-drop rule, where everyone wants to be black if they can possibly get away with it. Because not only reasons, but endless benefits, plus enjoying the upper hand in the Great Genocide of 2028. If our Ruling Class manages to engineer it properly.

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @Renard
  22. Anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:

    Either outdated or ahead of its time

  23. My Fair Lady entertains a large number of themes that would drive current year devotees to distraction.

  24. neutral says:

    America is going through some kind of cultural singularity, this means that the rate of things becoming ‘problematic’ increases at an ever faster rate, so you can suggest a movie from 2015 and it will be called sexist already. Probably by 2025, everything before 2023 will be considered bigoted.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
  25. So it is about time when men were men and women were women.

    I think that disqualifies Tootsie …

    Anyway, suggestions are good, even great.

  26. @clifford brown

    https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-last-days-of-disco-1998
    ……………………………………………………
    If Scott Fitzgerald were to return to life, he would feel at home in a Whit Stillman movie. Stillman listens to how people talk, and knows what it reveals about them. His characters have been supplied by their Ivy League schools with the techniques but not the subjects of intelligent conversation, and so they discuss “The Lady and the Tramp” with the kind of self-congratulatory earnestness that French students would reserve for Marx and Freud. (Their analysis of the movie is at least as funny as the Quentin Tarantino character’s famous deconstruction of “Top Gun” in the movie “Sleep With Me.”)

    • Replies: @clifford brown
  27. Pretty much anything by Doris Mary Kappelhoff… how about this?

  28. ‘Thoroughly Modern Millie’ with Julie Andrews and Mary Tyler Moore from 1967 is surprisingly funny. It’s semi-cancelled today due to supposed anti-Asian racism.

  29. Shamu says:
    @Steve Sailer

    And then there’s Springtime for Hitler within The Producers.

  30. Dumbo says:

    I never liked musicals much, so I have no suggestions. Singin’ in the rain and Fred Astaire stuff, I guess. The Cole Porter ones. “Kiss Me Kate”? (1953) It’s a version of Taming of the Shrew, after all, and at least the songs are catchy.

    I thought musicals were in general more loved by gay men than by heterosexual women, but on the other hand, in our gay-oriented world, we should be having a lot more musicals, but we hardly have any. (We do have Drag Queen Story Hour, though.)

    Except for me, many people appear to have really enjoyed musicals back then, so it’s not clear what changed.

  31. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:

    Disney’s 1963 “Summer Magic.”

    And it’s still great advice for the young ladies!

  32. Is “I’m just a girl who cain’t say no” a despicable slut-shaming or a valiantly feminist proclamation?

  33. Renard says:
    @Sir Didymus

    Right, because a real wife would keep him in line and tell him what he could and could not do.

  34. Renard says:
    @notsaying

    Are you sure you didn’t recognize any of them? I was surprised at how few I did know, but it was around 20.

    There’s a really wide range there, from Puccini to Pink Floyd.

  35. Slim says:
    @Peter Johnson

    The February production number is the one that really makes the wokies rage.

  36. Woodsie says:
    @Peter Johnson

    ABRAHAM is sung in blackface. But… it’s part of the plot (Bing disguising his partner so rival Fred Astaire doesn’t recognize her). For my money, the greatest holiday film of them all. Screw political correctness. So many great songs (Irving Berlin wrote one for each holiday), Fred Astaire’s firecracker dance, and one of the great movie in a movie reveals in the finale when Bing goes to hollywood and the camera pulls back to show Holiday Inn is just a set, fake snow and all.

    • Replies: @Renard
  37. @CalCooledge

    “With a little bit of luck!” An inspiration to men everywhere.

  38. Mike Tre says:

    Not a musical, but Eastwood’s High Plains Drifter kicks off with the protagonist forcibly raping a town floozy who appears to end up enjoying the experience.

  39. Thoroughly Modern Millie

  40. AceDeuce says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Back in 2014, I pointed out that Hawaiian-born Obama becoming President is the fulfillment of Hammerstein & Michener’s campaign to strengthen America’s influence in the Third World by creating more mixed-race American elites, such as the Hawaiian-born “Golden Man” at the end of Michener’s “Hawaii” who represents America abroad in the future.

    Interesting that both Oscar Hammerstein and James Michener both opted to live in the oh-so-non-diverse Doylestown, PA area, which, even now, is 95% White. (Richard Rodgers, FWIW, had a Connecticut estate in all-White Westport, CT.) Of course, both Oscar and Dick also had NYC pieds-a-terre–both in the East 50s just off of Park Avenue (Rodgers in a penthouse)–all the better to feed the muse and churn out utopian “Diversity Uber Alles” type songs.

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @Renard
  41. mc23 says:

    I would think almost any musical starring Elvis Presley would be offensive but I have to say I don’t think anything can top Gigi

    • Agree: Houston 1992
  42. mc23 says:
    @CalCooledge

    Rex Harrison can even make the Pope offensive

    • Replies: @Joe S.Walker
  43. J.Ross says:
    @Charlotte Allen

    Was going to post this. At the time it was made, it was considered anti-racist, because it was giving the Chinese community visibility.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
  44. I don’t know what to think….

    Steve’s wife supposedly watches musicals.

    Supposedly. It could be Steve, and not Mrs Sailer.

    Steve gives an interview from the closet.

    I think that there are too many red flags here …..

  45. @Hypnotoad666

    He likes to be wrong. Tension = clicks.
    (First he was wrong saying there’d be no problems witht the vaccines, now he’s wrong on the anti-vaxx side. He is circeling too muxh around himself). Countries which did very well Covid-wise: The Nordics for example: All highly vaccinated.

  46. Carol says:

    Almost every Fred Astaire movie features his character as a tireless stalker. I mean he pops up everywhere until she finally gives in.

    Also those old Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney movies that include a blackface routine.

    Because who doesn’t love a minstrel show? Lol

  47. There ain’t nothing like a dame.

  48. @Anonymous

    The intro before the band kicks in is very well made.

  49. Art Deco says:
    @Charlotte Allen

    Moral: Bad boys have girls falling all over them. See Ted Bundy.

    Don’t know about the mail he got in prison, but IIRC, Ted Bundy’s approach was smooth-talking can-I-help-you-with-that? alternating with the occasional home invasion.

  50. After consuming all of those gooey, sweet, sexist musicals, the cherry on top ought to be Kiss Me Kate. “Kate” artfully, ah, overlays modern ideas of femininity with the, mmm, full-bore sexism of the past.
    Spoiler alert: feminism proves to be unworkable.

  51. @Steve Sailer

    Back in 2014, I pointed out that Hawaiian-born Obama becoming President is the fulfillment of Hammerstein & Michener’s campaign to strengthen America’s influence in the Third World by creating more mixed-race American elites, such as the Hawaiian-born “Golden Man” at the end of Michener’s “Hawaii” who represents America abroad in the future.

    Which begs the question, Is it possible for inhabitants of the affirmative action class to be truly elite? I guess the best answer is that Obama is an elite black.

  52. Always loved Oliver. Wonderful songs….and Fagin would send Jonathan Greenblatt over the edge.

  53. Anon[428] • Disclaimer says:

    The Disney movie Summer Magic starring Hayley Mills features a Sherman Bros. (?) song called “Femininity,” with instructions to “hide the real you” by behaving in the traditional way men like:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=i454XXFHeBM&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.jp%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjYsMTY0OTksMjg2NjQsMTY0OTk&feature=emb_logo

  54. ‘Guys and Dolls’ fits the bill–one of my favorite musicals too

  55. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Is Stein trying to make an argument to give more money to Ukraine?

  56. jb says:

    I’ve never seen Gigi. I just watched the trailer. My head exploded.

    (I got better…)

  57. J.Ross says:

    OT — “Tech” firings.

  58. AceDeuce says:
    @Charlotte Allen

    Flower Drum Song. Japanese actors playing Chinese people. Ethnic stereotypes.

    REEEEEEEEEEE! Cats and dogs living together!

    “Echk-tually, the Nicaraguan was played by a Guatemalan. I couldn’t even. Ruined the whole picture.”

    Mother of Christ, give it a rest already.

    Nancy Kwan, the star of Flower Drum Song, was Chinese.

    In Wikipedia, 12 main cast members are listed for the film. Six were Chinese in real life, four were Japs, one a Filipino, and one a negress (What, no White people?)

    Does it bother you that Marlon Brando played Don Corleone when he wasn’t Italian? Or that “Southerners” Rhett and Scarlett were played by a guy from Ohio and an Englishwoman with Indian and Armenian blood? Or that “ladies man” Rock Hudson wasn’t so much a Pillow Talk-er as a Pillow Bite-r in real life?

    You want a bang-up excellent Asian film character from a 1960s movie? May I suggest Mr Yunioshi from Breakfast at Tiffany’s–Mickey Rooney knocked it out of the park. That’s the same film where a thirtysomething Dutchwoman played a 19 year old named Lula Mae from Tulip,Texas, and where Patricia Neal, who was from the coal mining town of Packard, Kentucky, played a chic Upper East Side matron.

    Glad that you didn’t interfere with any of that.

    • Replies: @Renard
  59. mc23 says:
    @Charlotte Allen

    I’ve heard IT nerds expressing admiration that Edward Snowden’s pole dancing girl friend followed him to Russia and became Mrs. Snowden

  60. Alfa158 says:
    @Anonymous

    I vote for ahead of its time because today you could still get away with filming the exact same clip, you would just have to make the hookers all drag queens.

  61. Take her to the opera, or sign up for a subscription to view some of the 700+ performances the Met has taped over the years. Free trial. $150 a year.

    • Replies: @DenverGregg
  62. The Music Man with Robert Preston still entertains. The story of a conman salesman coming to a sleepy little town that represents the best of what America was in the past.

    • Replies: @keypusher
  63. @Steve Sailer

    Back in 2014, I pointed out that Hawaiian-born Obama becoming President is the fulfillment of Hammerstein & Michener’s campaign to strengthen America’s influence in the Third World by creating more mixed-race American elites, such as the Hawaiian-born “Golden Man” at the end of Michener’s “Hawaii” who represents America abroad in the future.

    The great story of Obama is how Americans by electing a black man President, brought on a new era of racial healing and peace.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  64. @Anonymous

    The problem is that romance is hopeful and uplifting, but prostitution is just fundamentally vile, boring and depressing.

    • Agree: Meretricious
  65. AceDeuce says:
    @AnotherDad

    The great story of Obama is how Americans by electing a black man President, brought on a new era of racial healing and peace.

    Anybody who was so weak and retarded to have thought that would be the case-whether they thought this in 2008, now, or ever– is someone who is to stupid to live. Voting for that skidmark-for any reason-was the mark of an idiot, but to do so as an appeasing cuck, thinking it would “heal” the racial divide, is truly ridiculous beyond comprehension.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @jimbo
  66. Lurker says:
    @Sir Didymus

    No feminist?

    You’re not even a real person.

  67. @Anonymous

    A fun movie depiction of La Grange, Texas before and during the Martin Zimmler crusade.
    The movie was actually very sanitized, and is neither outdate nor ahead of time. There is a timeless quality about Transactional Sex; it has slowly evolved to embrace the internet, with the hookers having apps like – Sugar Baby, etc.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  68. Gotta be “The Band Wagon” with Astaire and Cyd Charisse from 1953. As fun as “Seven Brides” and none of the creepiness inherent in “Gigi.”

    • Replies: @Liza
  69. Can’t leave out The Three Stooges in “Woman Haters”. Nyuk! Nyuk! Nyuk!

  70. Anon[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “You’ve got to be carefully taught” in South Pacific reads like a mantra for teaching CRT, a.k.a. anti-white racial hatred, in schools. Just change “your relatives” at the end to “the Democrats.”

    You’ve got to be taught
    To hate and fear,
    You’ve got to be taught
    From year to year,
    It’s got to be drummed
    In your dear little ear
    You’ve got to be carefully taught.

    You’ve got to be taught to be afraid
    Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
    And people whose skin is a diff’rent shade,
    You’ve got to be carefully taught.

    You’ve got to be taught before it’s too late,
    Before you are six or seven or eight,
    To hate all the people your relatives hate,
    You’ve got to be carefully taught!

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    , @Pierre de Craon
  71. Pablo S says:

    It’s been a few years since I saw it, so I don’t know how overtly sexist it may have been, but the 1953 musical “The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T” (cowritten by Dr. Seuss) had only one female character, the boy-protagonist’s mom. This was psychologically realistic, IMO, because he was supposed to be young enough for women and girls to barely exist to him.

  72. ‘A Girl Who Cain’t Say No’ sung by Gloria Grahame(!)

    • Replies: @Kylie
  73. @Charlotte Allen

    US immigration law being obeyed – imagine that!

  74. Seven Brides for Seven Brothers (1954) was called “repulsively misogynistic” — even by a reviewer who liked it.

  75. @Dieter Kief

    Countries which did very well Covid-wise: The Nordics for example: All highly vaccinated.

    As Ron’s featured article today reveals (perhaps unintentionally), the Nordics were doing very well Covid-wise before the vaccine and the vaccine made no discernable difference.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  76. Gordo says:

    What can follow up on those?

    Nothing in the world
    There is nothing you can name

  77. Hey, Doris Day singing “The Geiger Counter Song” in the movies!

  78. Mikey says:

    Try:

    Daddy Long Legs
    Funny Face
    Anything with Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers
    Singing in the Rain

    And more obscure – April Love – which is a total chick flick in addition to being and example of how Pat Boone got his reputation as a milquetoast. It looks at first like an escape to 1957, but as you watch, you see it was intended as an escape from 1957, with it’s urban degeneracy. No plot to speak of, but beautifully filmed in the Kentucky horse country. For the guys, one quick drag race on country roads between an Austin Healy 100 and a 1946 Merc convertible.

  79. Anonymous[505] • Disclaimer says:

    A couple months ago,
    I was pleasantly surprised that the youth theater group in my very very blue town did a production of Guys and Dolls. They did have some gender-bending with girls playing male characters, which seems to have been more a result of the greater number of girls than boys in the troupe.

    It is indeed fairly sexist by todays standards.

  80. Mike Tre says:
    @Sir Didymus

    At this moment you have a total of 12 comments and managed to get instant moderation, just so you can spew risible nonsense.

    Are you a sock puppet trying to generate more comments? Mysteries abound.

  81. J.Ross says:

    OT — AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA
    HAAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAA
    HAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHA
    [catches breath]
    HAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  82. @Dieter Kief

    Countries which did very well Covid-wise: The Nordics for example: All highly vaccinated.

    Maybe. But all these circumstantial correlation arguments (on both sides) are pretty useless because there are far too many uncontrolled variables. It actually isn’t rocket science to design the cost/benefit study that will settle the issue — You just hold all the variables (mainly age) constant and compare all cause mortality between the vaxxed and non-vaxxed.

    The first clue that the Vax is not a winner is that none of the official agencies will do the research and/or release the data to do this actual scientific comparison. And when the actual data slips out accidentally (as it did in the UK until they stopped reporting it) it’s pretty ugly for the Vax.

    What the data shows
    Here’s the result of the analysis comparing unvaxxed vs. 2 doses given at least 6 months ago. I believe this analysis is conservative and the actual numbers are worse than this due to the seasonal variation of the all-cause mortality.

    Figure 1. Risk/benefit determination from the UK data shows that for all ages, the vaccines kill more people than they save. A value of 15 means we kill 15 people from the vaccine to save 1 life from COVID. This is from the Exec Summary tab of the spreadsheet.
    The data showed that for most age ranges, the vaccine reduced your chance of dying from COVID, but it increased your chances of dying from other causes. The former effect was smaller than the latter effect so the vaccines are nonsensical.

    For example, if you are 25 years old, the vaccine kills 15 people for every person it saves from dying from COVID. Below 80, the younger you are, the more nonsensical vaccination is.
    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/i/53602264/what-the-data-shows

    If anyone wants to double-check this the article has a link to the data spreadsheet.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    , @AnotherDad
  83. theMann says:

    Follow the Fleet
    All that Jazz
    A funny thing happened on the way to the Forum
    Kiss me Kate
    Carousel
    Bye Bye Birdie

    And if 4 musical song and or dance numbers make it a musical:

    Zulu

    Btw, I think giving everybody until 25 to get married, then,if still single, marching them in big circles until the music stops and that is who you just got hitched to, a la the Zulus is a truly great idea.

  84. Outside defined scope, but Shakespeare’s Taming of the Shrew can no longer be performed. There is the old Burton-Taylor movie though.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061407/

  85. Steve,
    You should ask ChatGPT to make up a plot for a musical that is more sexist than SBfSB and Gigi. I was going to do it, but the servers are busy right now.

    My best ideas are:

    1- Chad Dad: a re-telling of the wives of Henry VIII from a perspective sympathetic to the monarch…

    Don’t mean a thing
    without that male offsping.
    You don’t mean a thing
    Unless the stork’s taken wing.

    Makes no difference
    If you’re rich or hot.
    Just stop that rhythm
    method. Get ya belly like a pot.

    You don’t mean a thing
    If I ain’t got my heirling.

    2- Look Who’s Baby Daddy: a musical about life at Montecello.

    There’s nothing you could pay
    To buy me away from T.J.
    There’s nowhere I would flee
    ‘Cause I found my destiny with T.J.

    I’m stickin’ to my guy like a tramp to her better
    Like I’m on a tether
    I’m his whenever.
    I came with the estate
    And he won’t emancipate me from it.

    I think T.J. is into mullata.
    It’s fine with me ’cause I get a lot of
    Maternity leave and on the job perks.
    Basically, our relationship works.

    When we’re gettin’ jiggy wit it, he usually tops.
    I even kinda like it when he uses the crop.
    As a matter of taste to be exact,
    He’s my ideal of a Master, in fact.

    And no muscle bound field hand could spill his seed in my womb.
    No swarthy face could get to fourth base in my womb.
    He may not be an abolishonist,
    But when he comes to knock me up, I can’t resist.
    There’s not a man today
    Whose DNA I’d prefer in my womb.

    There’s not a man today
    Whose DNA I’d prefer in my womb.
    There’s not a man today
    Whose DNA I’d prefer in my womb.
    There’s not a man today

    3- De Sade of Music: the less known story of marital discipline in the von Trapp household.

    My buns are alive with the sting of his hand…

    • Thanks: Colin Wright, AnotherDad
    • Replies: @HammerJack
  86. Kylie says:

    “Funny Face” with Fred Astaire and Audrey Hepburn. I have no problem generally with older men/younger women pairings in movies–or real life, for that matter. But the Fred/Audrey pairing creeps me out. He was 58, she was 28. Even worse, she looked younger than her real age and he looked older. Much older.

    “Sweet Charity” which includes the delightfully mercenary “Big Spender”. It’s a cleaned-up version of Fellini’s “Nights of Cabiria”, a wonderful film, well worth watching or rewatching.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  87. Bill B. says:

    What about FIDLER ON THE ROOF?

    Patriarchy, gender stereotypes AND a lesson in why the NEOCONS hate Russia so much they will risk nuclear war.

  88. Bill B. says:
    @advancedatheist

    On the other hand South Pacific is a great drinking musical.

    I don’t know how much Mr Sailer’s wife drinks during a musical but at my rugby club most of us managed at least six pints as we sang along. (This was a while back.)

  89. Renard says:
    @Woodsie

    Oh, that reminds me:

    Cabin in the Sky (1943)

    All-black cast, and positively enchanting.

    • Agree: Meretricious, HammerJack
    • Replies: @DenverGregg
  90. Renard says:
    @AceDeuce

    Very true, and as an aside: Westport used to be just this side of heaven but has been ruined by nasty NYC expats.

  91. Renard says:
    @AceDeuce

    Charitable soul that I am, I’m going to assume that you’re being sarcastic about the Mickey Rooney thing. Nothing short of horrifying—and I generally enjoy cheap ethnic stereotypes.

    I wish there were a way to excise his performance from the movie without damaging the narrative flow too much. It’s way beyond painful.

    • Agree: Meretricious
    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  92. @Hypnotoad666

    OT: Scott Adams says anti-vaxxers are the winners.

    Except for the ones that died like Meat Loaf and Marc Bernier.

    Coughing to death while surrounded by hospital workers in space suits isn’t much of a win.

    Self declared “Mr. Anti-Vax” gets COVID and dies
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/29/conservative-radio-host-anti-vaxxer-dies-covid-marc-bernier

    Have to admit that God has a sense of humor.

  93. OT :

    Steve, ESPN has its final recruiting rankings out and says, “For Pac-12 fans out there, this is the first time ever that USC and UCLA have secured the top two players in the country.”

    Both are quarterbacks.

    USC is already back but I guess we’ll see if UCLA is getting serious. Complete domination by Georgia and the states it borders is getting old

  94. Bill B. says:

    Obviously Oliver! 1968 is great but with a certain controversial character:

    Dickens, who had extensive knowledge of London street life, wrote that he had made Fagin Jewish because: “it unfortunately was true, of the time to which the story refers, that the class of criminal almost invariably was a Jew”.

  95. keypusher says:

    Seven Brides for Seven Brothers is based on a Stephen Vincent Benet short story, The Sobbin’ Women (geddit?). You can read it here. http://gutenbergcanada.ca/ebooks/benetsv-thirteen07-sobbinwomen/benetsv-thirteen07-sobbinwomen-00-h-dir/benetsv-thirteen07-sobbinwomen-00-h.html Well worth the few minutes it would take.

    Rather than Milly being horrified by kidnapping brides for rest of the brothers, in the story it’s her idea, based on her extensive reading in the classics. She devises and executes the kidnapping scheme, with the brothers following her orders. After the kidnapping, she manipulates the kidnapped women into accepting the brothers as their husbands, and it’s not too hard for her to do it, the women all being eager to be married.

    By the time they made Seven Brides, a character and a plot like that were just too much for the sensitive moderns of 1954. And so Milly became a proto-feminist sticking up for her sisters.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  96. Jmaie says:

    Does Madame Butterfly count? And not a musical, but Donovan’s Reef seems to fit.

    Orthogonal to this, there’s apparently a real non-parody organization based out of Norway called the Trans Cultural Mindful Alliance that is demanding Aretha Franklin‘s song “Natural Woman“ be removed from Spotify. Perpetuates harmful stereotypes, no such thing as a natural woman, you don’t have to bleed to have a period. As the king of Siam said, etc. etc. etc.

  97. Anon[103] • Disclaimer says:

    Not musicals but some stuff you can’t do anymore. Will movie companies have to change lines like Disney is doing to some stuff?

    Mrs Doubtfire: When Robin Williams is impersonating a potential female aide on the phone and he wants his wife not to want her, Robin Williams says “I don’t work well with the boys, cause I used to be one”.

    Trading Places: When Eddie Murray is trying to figure out why the brothers are being nice to him he says to the chauffer: “They’s fags, right”? Towards the end one of the brothers says to the other “I wouldn’t want an N running our company either”

    Animal House: In the Black bar one of the frat boys asks the college girl what she’s studying and she says “Primitive Cultures” just before a cut to the black band on stage with the singer singing gibberish. One of the frat guys tells the others all their answers on a test are wrong and he found out by asking someone in the Jewish house for the correct answers.

    Some Like It Hot: Straight men dressed as women? Maybe I’m wrong on this one and this is exactly what they the powers that be now do want to show.

    • Replies: @Post-Postmodernist
  98. keypusher says:
    @ArthurinCali

    Agree, but it’s so un-sexist that there’s a successful revival on Broadway right now.

  99. George says:
    @John Johnson

    “Except for the ones that died like Meat Loaf and Marc Bernier.”

    Meat Loaf (74) and Marc Bernier (65) were old and fat. You are likely correct on their vax status, but I am guessing many people lied about both being vaxxed and not vaxxed.

    Why COVID-19 is more deadly in people with obesity—even if they’re young
    https://www.science.org/content/article/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  100. keypusher says:

    Not a musical, but there’s a 1964 Gomer Pyle episode in which Gomer advises an uptight female Marine Corps captain, dubbed “Captain Ironpants,” to feminize herself so that she can start dating and eventually marry her superior officer, who’s clearly crazy about her. I’m curious when something like that would have become impossible to air. 1968?

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0589929/

  101. JR Ewing says:
    @John Johnson

    Because no one who got the shot died, right?

    Unless your answer that question is, “Correct. No one who got the shot died from Covid.” then you are missing the point entirely.

    At least Scott Adams has the integrity to understand and admit that point.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  102. mc23 says:
    @Sir Didymus

    Well matched, a lid for every pot.

  103. Post-1990, the stats leveled out.

    • Replies: @DenverGregg
  104. Consider adding Chitty Chitty Bang Bang to your list.
    I can’t recommend it enthusiastically enough. It’s a tour de force. No expense was spared by the Broccoli Bros– no doubt riding high off the success of the early Bond films. The music, sets, costumes, lavish song and dance numbers and action sequences are over the top. The re-creation of a vintage formula one race that rolls behind the opening credits while the overture plays is worth the price of admission alone. Dick Van Dyke is at the top of his game (and mercifully doesn’t attempt an English accent a la Mary Poppins).

    No blatant “sexism” beyond the depiction of Victorian era sex roles. But we are treated to a naughtily named leading lady, Truly Scrumptious, by the story’s author Ian Fleming.

    Most interesting, in light of all we’ve learned recently about our depraved ruling elite, is that the plot revolves around the trafficking and subterranean enslavement of children at the behest of the local royalty.

    Well worth it, even if you’re not looking for something to entertain kids.

  105. Muggles says:
    @John Johnson

    Have to admit that God has a sense of humor.

    So Mr. Johnson, who gets the credit for all those masked up vaxxed up ‘fraidy cats who also died from COVID?

    (I am myself vaxed and boosted, once, but find it despicable for someone to gloat over the deaths of those killed by Dr. Fauci’s Chinese created virus. I’m sure you delight in the theological implications of the many people killed in plane crashes and earthquakes too…)

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  106. @Kylie

    But the Fred/Audrey pairing creeps me out. He was 58, she was 28. Even worse, she looked younger than her real age and he looked older. Much older.

    Well, in real life, he married Robyn Smith: “She is 5’7″, standing on long, lovely legs, the kind so fine that women envy them; not just the things that men whistle at when a skirt rides high.”

    On January 1, 1973, a friend introduced Smith to Fred Astaire at Santa Anita. She went on to marry Astaire on June 24, 1980, at the Astaire home in Beverly Hills, California. At the time of their marriage, Astaire was 81 and Smith was 35.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robyn_Smith

    Good for him.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    , @Director95
    , @BB753
  107. Anon[195] • Disclaimer says:

    One of the absolute craziest movies of all time is Breakfast at Tiffany’s.

    Visually it is a delight, peak NYC, great casting — Moon River is great too. The entire thing is the non plus ultra of young female in the big city romance.

    But if you actually follow the plot — Holly Golightly is simply a whore, and Paul Varjak is a gigolo.

    Maybe it is just me — but I just can’t suspend disbelief and fall in love with Holly Golightly or Julia Robert’s Pretty Woman prostitute either.

    But something in the female psyche glosses right over this…

    • Replies: @Etruscan Film Star
  108. @advancedatheist

    inter-relational relationships

    I can’t figure out if that is redundant or polygynous.

    Oscar Hammerstein II, like Ethel Merman, Donald Trump, and Jay Leno, had a Scottish mother to go along with a mildly ethnic father. So the subplots of Show Boat and South Pacific would have been close to his heart.

    Richard Rodgers’s first musical after the death of Hammerstein, and the only one for which he served as his own lyricist, was No Strings. While the script is not explicitly racial, Rodgers arranged for the lead roles to go to Diahann Carroll and Richard Kiley. It premiered in Toronto. Hmmm…

  109. It may be all downhill from here. My Fair Lady? Certainly not The King and I. South Pacific has some song that goes ‘Going to wash that man right out of my hair.’

    No…that won’t do at all.

  110. @Renard

    We’re finally making progress toward a more equitable society.

    I’ll buy that when we start seeing instances of the Black Bear game.

  111. Art Deco says:

    Dunno. Is Finnegan’s Rainbow transgressive enough?

  112. @John Johnson

    As the old meme goes,

    The difference between you and I is that when anti-vaxxed I got COVID, you laughed and hoped I would die. When vaxxed you got COVID, I hoped and prayed you’d get better.

    In reality, I’m so tired of the smug vaxxers wishing me and other anti-vaxxers ill for actually making an informed choice… Go die in a fire, please.

  113. Art Deco says:

    On a Clear Day You Can See Forever is ambivalent I think.

  114. @Kylie

    But the Fred/Audrey pairing creeps me out. He was 58, she was 28…

    Sweet Charity which includes the delightfully mercenary “Big Spender”.

    Cy Coleman (b. 1929) met Dorothy Fields (b. 1904) at a cocktail party. He was just starting out and, awe-struck, he asked what she was working on at the moment. She said nothing; no one wanted to work with her anymore. He said he would be more than happy to. Thus, Sweet Charity.

    (Did anyone else see the Christina Applegate production, which toured shortly after Coleman’s death? In Minneapolis, she sang “I’m a modern jazz quartet” rather than “I’m the Modern Jazz Quartet“. I always wondered if she made a mistake that night, or whether it was written into the score. As if no one would recognize the MJQ in 2005.)

    There were three great female Broadway lyricists, Dorothy Fields, Carolyn Leigh, and Betty Comden. Coleman pulled off the hat trick of working with all three, as well as with Hollywood maven and ASCAP president Marilyn Bergman. He wrote standards with the first two, but nothing he did with male lyricists amounted to much.

    • Thanks: Kylie, Etruscan Film Star
    • Replies: @Kylie
  115. @Bardon Kaldian

    The conversation about “The Lady and the Tramp” and the accompanying editing reveals the underlying plot of “The Last Days of Disco” where The Lady dumps The Tramp and gets with Scotty. The film is fundamentally a critique of the post sexual revolution dating culture which benefits the Tramps to the detriment of The Ladies and the overall society.

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @HammerJack
  116. Anonymous[181] • Disclaimer says:

    Fassbinder’s Querelle. Visually it looks like a stage play. Lotta colors, lotta gels, lotta spots. mmm Brilliant. Now dead Brad Davis in the title role.

    “I had six inches of shit on my dick, I don’t mind telling you.” Do not play dice with that guy.

    Seconds with Rock Hudson.

    And if Blue Velvet, best date movie ever, doesn’t get you laid, well, sorry about your tragic life.

    “Fuck that shit! Pabst Blue Ribbon!” – Frank Booth.

  117. Move Fan says:

    An American in Paris
    The Wizard of Oz
    Singing in the Rain
    Swing Time
    Top Hat
    Shall We Dance
    That’s Entertainment Part 1 and 2 (Must see if you love Hollywood movies)
    Guys and Dolls (Sorry but I love hearing Marlon Brando sing and Jean Simmons is dreamy)
    Cabaret
    All That Jazz
    Hair
    Godspell
    A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum
    My Fair Lady
    The Sound of Music
    Les Miserable (I enjoyed it)
    Funny Girl
    Sweet Charity: The Adventures of a Girl Who Wanted to Be Loved
    Grease
    Music Man
    Carousel (Be a Shirley Jones groupey/take me home after the concert ma partridge we can take the kids out for brunch in the morning)
    Shirley Temple musicals
    On the Town
    Kiss Me Kate
    Oklahoma (anti 2nd amendment / cuz you can’t get a man with a gun)
    There are so many wonderful musicals good luck

  118. @Sir Didymus

    I am beginning to think that Steve’s “wife” only exists in his imagination.

    She is mentioned in father’s obituary, which appeared in the Chicago Tribune in the ’90s. Everything checks out. Mrs Sailer has a good job; Steve doesn’t live where he does on what we toss his way!

    Your assertion tells us something about you, however.

    I am no feminist

    Just someone at their level.

    …but even I find the topic of those movies to be offensive.

    They, especially the stage versions, were particularly popular with women.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  119. Wilkey says:
    @Anon

    Overall South Pacific was probably some of their better music, apart from that one song. That particular number is awful – perhaps one of their worst. The performance (in the movie version) was terrible. And of course it was logically inaccurate, as well. People actually don’t need to be taught all that well to hate others. Young children tend to learn how to hate other children all on their own, without much outside help. They learn to hate from experience, not instruction.

  120. @Reg Cæsar

    ‘…but even I find the topic of those movies to be offensive.

    They, especially the stage versions, were particularly popular with women.’

    There’s a certain mind set that just finds anything to do with actual relationships — and in particular, actual sex — unsettling.

    It all has to be sanitized and made to conform to some artificial ethical framework somehow. That people could just run around and do whatever works is intolerable.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  121. @Muggles

    Have to admit that God has a sense of humor.

    So Mr. Johnson, who gets the credit for all those masked up vaxxed up ‘fraidy cats who also died from COVID?

    Satan I guess.

    (I am myself vaxed and boosted, once, but find it despicable for someone to gloat over the deaths of those killed by Dr. Fauci’s Chinese created virus. I’m sure you delight in the theological implications of the many people killed in plane crashes and earthquakes too…)

    Oh is it against the rules to laugh about the macabre?

    I’ll laugh at whatever I feel like. I don’t think God cares and probably finds some of his own devout followers to be stuffy. He dedicated followers that don’t have a simple explanation of Neanderthals but are certain that their interpretation of the Bible is absolutely correct.

    • Troll: duncsbaby
  122. OT – the great Steve Hsu and the great Dominic Cummings in conversation. And a transcript too!

    https://infoproc.blogspot.com/2023/01/dominic-cummings-vote-leave-brexit.html

    Covers Russia, Brexit, Trump, Covid and Boris among much else.

    Although on inspection the transcript seems to have been computer-generated, and very very badly. It’s interesting to hear Dom and Steve discussing AI and why governments aren’t using it to, say, evaluate the vast amount of intelligence it gets – then the transcription sounds like it was done on a Sinclair Spectrum with a 10k vocabulary.

    At the time Dom was in #10 and I heard Steve Hsu was a guest there I still had hope that a Boris admin would get something done. But once Boris got his majority (or Dom’s focus groups got it for him) he was on the way out.

    Fascinating inside view of Covid, original Civil Service advice was “herd immunity” – until it was pointed out that IF the projections were correct, Covid would overwhelm the hospitals and there’d be no healthcare available for anyone else, the mortuaries would be full and we’d have to use frozen food storage warehouses.

    My understanding is that Boris is bloviating in Ukraine partly because he believes he can still get back into #10.

  123. @Director95

    Rumours spreading round, in that Texas town
    ’bout that shack outside La Grange

    Just let me know if you wanna go
    to that home out on the range…

    Billy Gibbons is one of the few rock guitarists who can let rip without seemingly any blues influence in his playing (although he can and does play blues) – the only others that come to mind are Richard Thompson and the late Jorma Kaukonen.

    • Replies: @Curle
    , @Reg Cæsar
  124. @J.Ross

    Bezos spent $250 million on the WaPo which is not even a down payment on the Redskins which is expected to fetch 5 – 6 Bi$$ion.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @clifford brown
  125. Art Deco says:
    @Sir Didymus

    The obituary in the Chicago Tribune dated 21 July 1996 for the past president of the Chicago Federation of Musicians (and one time performer with the Chicago Lyric Opera) lists four children as survivors, one with the married name ‘Sailer’. A young lady with this woman’s maiden name appears repeatedly in the Wilmington (Ill) High School yearbook, digitized copies of which are now available. Almond eyes, apple cheeks, prominent nose. In the undertaker’s memorial gallery of a Mr. Sailer of Burbank, California, posted in July 2012 is a picture of an elderly couple holding a baby in a christening gown with a young women in the frame as well. The young woman sure looks similar to the girl in the Wilmington yearbook (bar that she’s had a perm). There are also a number of old (color) photographs of the late Mr. Sailer with a solitary boy in the frame. There is only one old photo with a child in it other than this solitary boy (the boy’s in the frame too; the other child is a girl a few years older).

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    , @HammerJack
  126. No movies but this 3 minute short is sure to become a classic.

    Why not share it with the wife?

    Two women try to fill a Tesla with gas.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    , @Jmaie
  127. Luke Lea says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    I’d like to see astralcodex guy (Scott Alexander) do a deep dive on this data. Too much for me.

  128. Kylie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Here’s Christina Applegate singing “Big Spender” in 2006.*

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=rWsi5jJs12k&feature=shares

    I was very familiar with Edie Adams’ clever send-up of that song while hawking Muriel Cigars due to my father’s infatuation with her. Never even knew it was from a musical till adulthood.

    *Seriously how many people in 2005 knew about the MJQ?

  129. Jason says:

    Your wife might enjoy “King Creole,” based on a Harold Robbins novel set in the big Dixie and probably Elvis’ best film. The King portrays a good-hearted juvenile delinquent who falls for the girlfriend (a “bad girl” as my Oma would describe her) of a local mafioso (a terrific Walter Matthau in one of his earlier roles).

  130. vinteuil says:
    @Art Deco

    Obviously, this is not the real Art Deco.

  131. Tim says:

    WOW! didn’t see anyone mention Poggy and Bess

  132. Tim says:

    I remember a couple years ago, I asked my older brother why they don’t don’t make good musicals anymore.

    He looked at me and said, “Because they don’t have to. Musicals are all code, it’s THEM speaking to each other in code. And now it’s all out in the open and they don’t need the code anymore.”

    “What do you mean, they?”

    “The Homos, duh.”

  133. Move Fan says:

    Just wanted to add:
    Camelot
    Busby musicals
    Saturday Night Fever

  134. @Hypnotoad666

    You just hold all the variables (mainly age) constant and compare all cause mortality between the vaxxed and non-vaxxed.

    Correct. But it most certainly isn’t just age. Health status–immunocompromised, cancer treatment, asthma, obesity, etc.–are all highly relevant in prompting people to get the vax and highly relevant in who dies.

    The first clue that the Vax is not a winner is that none of the official agencies will do the research and/or release the data to do this actual scientific comparison.

    That’s a solid argument. Except that these “public health” people are a complete joke, and we’ve gotten no good data on much of anything from the beginning.

    And when the actual data slips out accidentally (as it did in the UK until they stopped reporting it) it’s pretty ugly for the Vax.

    But I looked at your pull from this Steve Kirsch guy and immediately had a question “why the >6 months comparison?” That’s relevant for the long term, but not so relevant in terms of dodging covid.

    And then I started reading his link. His generated “woe is vax!” table, of course, obscuring the most obvious thing “how many people we talking about” … and it was all of couple minutes and I find the obvious fraud once he presents a snippet of the actual UK data for 45-49 year olds:

    This is 2021’s data. The first year any significant number of people got the vax. And the two big buckets are–unsurprisingly–unvaxed and vaxed between 21 days and 6 months. Those buckets overwhelm all the other case, each with about 1 million people-years.

    Here’s the vax — for the needed 21 days, but before 6 months (i.e. within the claimed effectiveness):
    people years — 1,038,243
    covid deaths — 62
    non-covid — 1378
    total deaths — 1440

    Here’s the unvaxed —
    people years — 922,486
    covid deaths — 580
    non-covid — 1742
    all deaths — 2322

    (Note: you’d actually have to reduce the vaxed death numbers by another 8% to square up equal people-years.)

    Sorry, I’m not getting a “the vax is killing you!” vibe here. In fact, from these numbers the vax clearly saved a whole bunch of lives in the UK in 2021–at least in this age range.

    Which is what we saw in the US during the delta wave. The vax immediately failed in being sterilizing but did a reasonable job of keeping people out of the hospital and an even better job of keeping them from dying during the fall’s Delta wave.

    Now what Kirsch wants you to do is ignore this giant group of vaxed, with far superior death rates to the unvaxed and instead focus on is the much smaller group (100k people years) who were vaxed more than 6 months prior. Deaths in that group will be have happened in the fall of 2021 and will be from people who were among the first to get vaccinated. I.e. among the most health compromised. And–sure ‘nough–they being a sickly group they have more total deaths. (Interesting, despite being a sicklier group, even 6 months out, they do do marginally better on Covid.) Furthermore, the months covered in this group will predominately be November and December–gloomy months when there is higher all cause mortality anyway.

    Now, there is a very legit “down the road” issue. Most people are eventually going to get/be exposed to Covid (most already have) quite possibly several times in their lives. And the question is are you better off–long term health and life expectancy–if you go through your covid bout(s) naked or having been vaxed months/years earlier (and/or boosted).

    I don’t know. 2022 data–where we’ll have lots of normies who have been vaxed a year earlier, and do through a whole year cycle–will start to tell the tale. (From all macro stuff I’ve seen, the whole thing smells like a nothing burger either way. Omicron covid doesn’t amount to much and neither does the vax. Both may create some lingering issues, but it’s all pretty ho-hum.)

    But Kirsch’s 2021 data analysis is a fraud. Cherry pick the worst cohort of the vax, skewed toward a couple of winter (naturally high-death) months, and strip out the huge win vaxing was–staring you in the face in the UK data–for Covid deaths. A fraud.

    • Thanks: mc23, Post-Postmodernist
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Dieter Kief
  135. @Almost Missouri

    Subject is tricky. I’ve read and commented on Ron’s article. His main aim is to show that the vaccines did no harm – and he achieves this goal perfectly well.
    What the vaccines did and what not is hard to tell. My favourite vaccine-effect researcher Prof Chrstine Stabell-Benn/Denmark says the Adenovector vaccines did safe lives indeed – and it could be, that this is true for the mRNA vaccines also, but most likely to a lesser degee and: This is not yet decently researched.

    [MORE]

    Remember the latest IFR data: the VAST majority of Covid cases were and are mild to moderate, requiring no hospitalization.

    Yep – that’s because Omicron was a game changer.
    Before, there are quite a number of cases.
    Btw.: Substackers eugyppius & Orwell2024 and Michael Levitt (twitter) would agree. As Orwell2024 one of the three Corona-Knights found out: The mRNA vaccines don’t do much with regard to deaths – neither way: They neither increase them nor decrease them much. As a matter of fact, it is clear, that it does not decrease the number of ovid-deaths. The Norwegians did research these questions quite thoroughly in 2021 and found the same thing.
    Here is the Norway-Paper

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.05.21265958v1

    Here is a short quote from this paper::
    We included 2,361 patients, including 70 (3%) partially vaccinated and 183 (8%) fully vaccinated. Fully vaccinated patients 18–79 years had a shorter LoS in hospital overall (adjusted hazard ratio for discharge: 1.35, 95%CI: 1.07–1.72), and lower odds of ICU admission (adjusted odds ratio: 0.57, 95%CI: 0.33–0.96). Similar estimates were observed when collectively analysing partially and fully vaccinated patients. We observed no difference in the LoS for patients not admitted to ICU, nor odds of in-hospital death between vaccinated and unvaccinated patients (my italics, dk).And here is

    Orwell2024:

    https://orwell2024.substack.com/p/age-adjusted-all-cause-mortality?r=zp558&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

    “High Quality Analysis of Exces Deaths” (Micheal Levitt about this Blogpost by Orwell2024 – Biggest Surprise: Covid-Vaccinations Did NOT Influence Excess Deaths in Europe AT ALL!
    Quote from Orwell2024’s post: “The observed excess mortality in Austria and Netherlands, is entirely dominated by mortality in the elderly age bins. Those are 95 % vaccinated. The same vaccination level is also the case in Sweden, Spain and France. The vaccine doesn’t reduce nor increase mortality. It isn’t the underlying root cause.
    So – relax, please ye Apocalyptics. – Dr. Angelique Cotzee said the same thing, btw., about Omikron in South Africa: Get your vaccine – and relax!
    Eric Topol too has numbers that show the beneficiality of the Covid vaccines as does Francois Balloux (both on twitter).

    • Thanks: Post-Postmodernist
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  136. ChrisZ says:
    @J.Ross

    Good observation. So many examples of this come to mind, JR.

    For example, Olivier’s black-faced, bellowing Othello is sneered at today. But Olivier in interviews made it clear he felt it was a moral duty to do justice to the character as a black African, and worked hard to change his normal vocal range for the role. His makeup—dark black skin tone with a kinky wig and Negroid facial appliances—was considered daring and brave, a departure from the coffee-colored Othellos of the past.

    It’s an example of how the “progressive” inclinations of a given era are deemed their opposite, in this case racist, over time. It’s a passion that can never be satisfied.

    • Agree: Post-Postmodernist
  137. ChrisZ says:

    A lot of great recommendations here for Mrs. iSteve. I would suggest “She Loves Me”: there’s never been a Hollywood movie, but there are couple of splendid productions for TV—a 1980s version with Robin Ellis, and a very recent one with Zachary Levi.

    Delightful music; a witty, charming plot and subplots, all revolving around heterosexual love; a climactic resolution at Christmas; and it’s all set in a quaint, old Hungary that would warm Victor Orban’s heart.

    BTW, I think it’s interesting that Lerner and Lowe musicals (My Fair Lady, Gigi, Brigadoon) figure prominently among these comments. L&L are the absolute masters of the musical, in my estimation, with MFL being the perfection of the form. All their works are sturdily “bourgeois” in their morality, where social outliers (a misogynistic bachelor, a girl raised to be a courtesan) somehow discover the “natural” superiority of love and marriage. Lerner himself was married seven times, I believe, so he must have been a devotee of that blessed estate.

  138. Gold Diggers musicals of the 1930s? Worth watching in any event.

  139. hhsiii says:

    Prehistoric Man from On The Town. Jules Munshin drags Ann Miller (smiling) by her hair across the stage. With Sinatra, Gene Kelly and Betty Garrett:

  140. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:

    Who can resist these old Judy Garland fan favorites…

  141. @clifford brown

    A grievously underrated flick imho. Even better than Metropolitan, not to mention the lackluster Barcelona.

    Aside from one incongruous and painful speech about, uh, Disco, it fires on all cylinders throughout.

    • Replies: @Recently Based
  142. hhsiii says:

    Happy to Keep His Dinner Warm fromHow to Succeed In Business(this from a high school production):

    • Agree: Father Coughlin
  143. @Art Deco

    Some of you people are seriously creepy.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  144. @Chrisnonymous

    You’re very talented, despite playing off the TJ slander!

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  145. @mc23

    No collection of films that offend today’s moralists is complete without Staircase (1969):

    But I really like the song at the start.

  146. Speaking from a position of ignorance…( I either didn’t see these movies at all or I was four when I did).

    Gigi seems like the winner for ‘most politically incorrect.’ After all, Seven Brides uses the sexism as evidence of the uncouthness of the protagonists, and Song of the South? Really? That’s Morgan Freeman with a few extra pounds.

  147. jcd1974 says:

    Meet Me in St. Louis.

    Judy Garland at her loveliest.

  148. @ThreeCranes

    ‘There ain’t nothing like a dame.’

    Well, there isn’t.

  149. Stage musicals were always aimed at a mostly female audience, as were the film adaptations. A segue to a Kotkin piece with Affordable Family Formation all over it. E.g.:

    Between 2020 and 2021, Manhattan saw a whopping 9.5 percent decline in the number of children under 5 — and many families are not returning.

    The rise of the single woke (and young, Democratic) female: Single women are reshaping American society, education and public policy

    Hold your nose:

    …Bella DePaulo, a University of California, Santa Barbara professor and singles advocate, are all in favour. As she told Nautilus magazine:

    “[It’s] a tremendously positive thing! Once upon a time, just about everyone in the United States thought that they needed to squeeze themselves into the heterosexual nuclear family box, even if they weren’t heterosexual or weren’t interested in getting married or had no interest in raising kids.

    “Now, people can create the lives and the families that allow them to live their best, most authentic, and most meaningful lives.”

    In other words, it’s all about me, Me, Me. Obligation to those who have produced you doesn’t seem to have entered their minds, except in regard to paying taxes and regulating the environment.

    “Gender” degrees have ballooned fourfold:

    According to the  National Center for Education Statistics, the number of women’s and gender studies degrees in the United States has increased by more than 300 percent since 1990…

    The sooner these people are out of the gene pool, the better. But how long will it take the natalist remnant to make up the difference?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @AnotherDad
  150. Ivy Guy says:

    Seven Brides for Seven Brothers has some incredibly acrobatic dance numbers. It’s surprising that it’s not better known.

    Not necessarily sexist but wonderfully patriarchal: The Happiest Millionaire (1967). Set in pre-WWI Philadelphia, the message is basically: the old-money WASP elite are great!

  151. J.Ross says:
    @Dieter Kief

    The new German data does not indicate neutrality, and, if the experiments were neutral, then it would be criminal to force people to take it.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  152. Mr. Anon says:

    What can follow up on those?

    Me and Mrs. Anon have recently started watching old musicals too. I would recommend the following:

    Kismet:

    Also stars Howard Keel. And the music is based on melodies of Alexander Borodin. In addition to the 1950s sexism it has the added sin of orientalism.

    And, of course, Singing in the Rain:

    You probably didn’t know that Donald O’Connor invented break dancing.

    And Paint Your Wagon

    Gold miners buying surplus women off of Mormon travelers. Plus it features the singing talents, not just of Clint Eastwood, but of Lee Marvin too!

    • Replies: @p38ace
    , @Kylie
  153. Mr. Anon says:

    What can follow up on those?

    And of course, for nostalgic feel-good entertainment, nothing beats John Adams’ Nixon in China:

    (Actually, I just posted this clip to make fun of it, but strangely found myself kind of liking it).

    • Agree: p38ace
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  154. Dmon says:
    @notsaying

    There’s a fair amount of G&S on youtube. Well worth a look, as it is still among the most cutting political satire ever written in English (doesn’t hurt to have the lyrics handy, as whoever is singing may or may not be comprehensible in real time to a first time listener).
    Here’s a snippet from The Gondoliers, sung by Christopher Lee with very clear enunciation. This is the ultimate takedown of the “Mostly Peaceful” school of reporting, in which the story you get is absolutely trustworthy, except for possibly one minor detail. Pretty much any political phenomenon you see today was definitively skewered by G&S 140 or so years ago.

    • Thanks: Liza
    • Replies: @keypusher
  155. How about “The Producers” with it’s smash hit Springtime for Emmett Till?

  156. Mr. Anon says:

    If you’re interested in one of the older musicals, Golddiggers of 1933 is pretty good:

    It has a couple famous tunes and some Bonus Army social commentary (as in the clip below):

    • Thanks: Meretricious
  157. Why limit yourself to theatrical releases? Watch Buffy, the Musical

  158. Better singing than The Sopranos? The Valachi Papers.

    • LOL: Nicholas Stix
  159. @ThreeCranes

    As good as it gets for a musical. I was force-fed this soundtrack by my parents and learned to like some of the songs!

  160. Liza says:

    In The Music Man, Marion the Librarian is complaining to her mother that the ladies of River City “keep ignoring all [her] counsel and advice”. This duet is known as “If You Don’t Mind Me Saying So”.

    Mrs Paroo, Marion’s mother, replies to her daughter, “When a woman has a husband and you’ve got none, why should she take advice from you…that stranger might be your very last chance!”

    Ha ha ha.

  161. @Mr. Anon

    I like the “Nixon in China” opera too. I’m not sure why, but I do.

  162. JimB says:
    @Snootybaronet

    Disney won’t release it on DVD, BR or digitally , because of the supposed racist depiction of blacks.

    I ordered an excellent digital copy from a Taiwanese web site.

  163. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I never will marry
    I’ll be no man’s wife
    I expect to live single
    All the days of my life.

    Although I don’t think Miss DePaulo’s reason for remaining single is because of a broken heart.

    • Replies: @Joe S.Walker
  164. JimB says:

    Wow, nobody mentioned the King and I. That was sexist, racist, and colonialist.

  165. @HammerJack

    I remember seeing that scene in Last Days and wanting to jump out of my chair yelling “Finally, somebody gets it!” Also, extremely hot women.

    Stillman’s work as a whole is grievously underrated, IMHO.

  166. Kylie says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Yes, when Fred married the second time, he got himself a gorgeous thoroughbred and I saw no problem with that.

    But Audrey Hepburn was so waif like with that stick figure and huge doe eyes that she automatically made her male costars look older. George Peppard was only eight months her elder but easily looked five years older than her in Breakfast at Tiffany’s.

    Funny Face just creeps me out for some reason.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
  167. J.Ross says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    The Bezos Blog was already a joke by the standards of anyone aware of alternative press and investigative/real journalism, but, in his brief fling thinking it would be fun to run a newspaper, Bezos reduced it to a joke by normie standards. And now that he’s ruined it, someone else can have it. He likes to play with things awhile, before annihilation.

  168. J.Ross says:
    @Joe Stalin

    A fantastically good movie for the use of color alone.

    • Agree: p38ace
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  169. @Kylie

    IMO George Peppard was ridiculously miscast in Breakfast at Tiffany’s: he was unconvincing as a New Yorker writer and I thot he had no chemistry with Hepburn.

    • Replies: @Kylie
  170. Curle says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Maybe it’s because he started out in psychedelia.

  171. SF says:

    How about “Jefferson in Paris” A pretty slave girl gets the hots for the master. I loved Thandie Newton in that film but she felt she needed to apologize for it. I see she is calling herself Thandiwe now. I suppose it would have been worse if the film had mentioned that Sally was his late wife’s half sister.

  172. Curle says:
    @Steve Sailer

    David Kawananakoa, Hawaiian Prince:

    His descendant:

  173. Liza says:
    @San Fernando Curt

    I never get tired of the barn raising dance in 7 Brides for 7 Brothers.

  174. @Anonymous

    Alternatively…

    Incidentally Joan Baez married a guy who went to prison for refusing to be drafted.

  175. @Jim Don Bob

    There is likely some change under seat cushions. Would Bezos buy the Commanders? I guess DC (Northern Virginia and its government contracting) is Amazon’s second home, but I assumed he would buy the Seahawks from the Paul Allen Trust or maybe the LA Chargers.

  176. @Steve Sailer

    Michener rep sure has taken a dive since he kicked it. Time was there was a new Michener mini-series on the tube every sixth months.

  177. My Fair Lady. Classism, sexism…MGTOW.

    Oliver! for obvious reasons.

    Fiddler on the Roof is surprisingly frank about Jewish ethnocentrism, anti-miscegenationism, and Jewish communities’ relationships with their host societies.

  178. @Kylie

    Fred Astaire, who was never handsome, had an ugly chin, which got much uglier with age. Funny Face (1957) had many wonderful qualities (e.g., Donen’s sense of color, Avedon’s stills, the Gershwin songs), but when I saw it about 12 years ago, I was shocked at how badly Astaire had aged.

    • Thanks: Kylie
    • Replies: @Houston 1992
  179. Karl D says:

    Pal Joey (1957) starring Sinatra, Hayworth, and Novak is an outrageously great musical and is offensive to modern sensibilities. Just the way Frank talks to women…. oh my gawd I can’t even

  180. @Anon

    Maybe it is just me — but I just can’t suspend disbelief and fall in love with Holly Golightly or Julia Robert’s Pretty Woman prostitute either.

    That so many find Pretty Woman‘s story, of Richard Gere (ugh) as a millionaire pretty man wooing Julia Roberts as a glamorous sex worker, to be romantic and charming says a lot about the values of today’s audiences. A lot that I wish I didn’t know.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Joe S.Walker
  181. @Steve Sailer

    “Nixon” has probably the best closing line in modern opera: after all the other characters have gone to sleep, a morose Chou En-lai stays up late to watch the sunrise, and muses,

    I wonder how much of what we did
    Was good?

    One of the few really fine examples of Minimalism, along with “Einstein” and “In C” (and “Another Green World” gets honorary membership). I could have done without the ludicrous Madame Mao Revolutionary Opera parody, though.

  182. Coemgen says:

    “Suggestions needed” or “Asking for a friend?”

    Kidding aside: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange_(film)
    “Just singin’ in the rain…”

    • Replies: @Coemgen
  183. Coemgen says:
    @Coemgen

    RE “A Clockwork Orange,” this never gets old (for me):

  184. hhsiii says:

    How to Succeed in Business has:

    A Secretary is Not a Toy and Happy to Keep His Dinner Warm

  185. @Etruscan Film Star

    Pretty Woman started out as a serious, gloomy story called $3000 in which the Richard Gere character picked up the Julia Roberts character, kept her as company for a week, then casually dropped her back into her life on the street. The script had been around for a while when it came up at a meeting. Someone said “It’s about a billionaire who picks up a whore for a week then dumps her.” Someone else asked “Does he have to dump her?” And from there the story was rewritten, and no doubt the person who asked that had a long career in Hollywood.

    I think you can still see traces of the original story in the film – Richard Gere’s character borders on the creepy. And it wouldn’t have been a hit without Julia Roberts. She sells the whole movie.

  186. @AnotherDad

    Thanks for the laugh.

    What sort of clown believes the States “died from Covid” bullshit?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  187. jimbo says:
    @AceDeuce

    Hey, I didn’t vote FOR him (the first time): I voted AGAINST McCain, who was much more vile. I held my nose and voted against him the second time, and for the Mormon cuck.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  188. @Dumbo

    I thought musicals were in general more loved by gay men than by heterosexual women, but on the other hand, in our gay-oriented world, we should be having a lot more musicals, but we hardly have any. (We do have Drag Queen Story Hour, though.)

    Except for me, many people appear to have really enjoyed musicals back then, so it’s not clear what changed.

    My guess is that gay men were important behind the scenes in putting musicals together – but energy needs to be directed and constrained by form in order to constitute some kind of art, and gays no longer have to tone down their self expression and to redirect it into a form fit for broad public consumption so you don’t get musical theater anymore. There’s no honing friction between their creative energy and cultural expectations. What you get now is material that isn’t just overtly gay, but more or less solely about being gay. Being gay, apart from the ordinary disgust reflex, just isn’t all that interesting.

    • Agree: Muggles
  189. @J.Ross

    I was always against the forced vaccination – on board with Martin Kulldorff/ The Great Barrington Declaration.
    Btw. Kulldorff, Ioannidis, Bhattacharia/Gupte: All pro vacciantion – as is Anders Tegnell and his predecessor Johan Giesecke.

    For the latest German/Durch, Swe. data-analyses:Have a look at Orwell2024’s and Robert Peezers twitter threats!

  190. @Bill B.

    Perhaps but isn’t the moral – whether intended or not – fundamentally conservative? Some modest, considered change is inevitable and necessary, but rapid and broad change is catastrophic. Tevye first fails to observe tradition in a rather small way with little ill effects other than that his first daughter is happier but poorer than she otherwise would have been. But then in the aftermath he embraces a sort of revolutionary fervor, acquiescing to Perchik’s demand that the sexes mix to dance at his first daughter’s wedding. Later Perchik comes off as a pied piper character, seducing and then leading Tevye’s most beautiful daughter to certain ruin in Siberia. Tevye’s third daughter is also swept up in the chaos, and ceases to be a Jew at all. The villagers of Anatevka are then abruptly cast to the four winds, which ensures that there will be no reuniting with his second and third eldest daughters.

  191. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    The stage version of Fiddler on the Roof was a popular hit but disliked by the critics. The movie version strikes me as very good on almost all dimensions.

    • Agree: Corn
  192. @Joe Stalin

    Robyn really knew her horses and men. She could ride both a horse in its prime, and a man with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.
    A classic Gold digger move, or true love?

  193. MEH 0910 says:

    Oscar nominations list:
    https://www.oscars.org/oscars/ceremonies/2023

    [MORE]

  194. @neutral

    America is going through some kind of cultural singularity, this means that the rate of things becoming ‘problematic’ increases at an ever faster rate

    Wait till we pass the threshold: progressives will cower in fear of the dawn as each day breaks more racist than the one before it, taking us asymptotically toward a state of Total Racism, with objects, ideas, and people doing racisms before they appear in the universe.

  195. AceDeuce says:
    @Renard

    No, I meant it. It was a comic parody. Done very well.

    “Horrified” ? By that? Dude, grow a d**k, mmmkay?

    • Agree: Forbes
  196. Anonymous[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @keypusher

    That would make more sense. Milly couldn’t cook and clean for 7 mountain men by herself. She needed some sister wives. Or sisters-in-law

  197. @Colin Wright

    It all has to be sanitized and made to conform to some artificial ethical framework somehow. That people could just run around and do whatever works is intolerable.

    “Whatever works” often doesn’t.

    some artificial ethical framework

    Any “ethical framework” is artificial by definition. As is any civilization their restraints allow us to create. In Sowellist terms, your “tolerance” is unconstrained.

  198. @Bill Jones

    What sort of clown believes the States “died from Covid” bullshit?

    Clowns who can do math.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Bill Jones
  199. @George

    “Except for the ones that died like Meat Loaf and Marc Bernier.”

    Meat Loaf (74) and Marc Bernier (65) were old and fat. You are likely correct on their vax status, but I am guessing many people lied about both being vaxxed and not vaxxed.

    What do you mean likely correct? Marc Bernier was an outspoken anti-vaxx talk show host who said that the vaccines aren’t needed. He called himself “Mr. Antivax” in an interview:
    https://nypost.com/2021/08/30/conservative-radio-host-marc-bernier-dies-of-covid-19/

    Meal Loaf was on record as being against the vaccines.

    Why COVID-19 is more deadly in people with obesity—even if they’re young

    Well yes everyone knows that except for the subset of anti-vaxxers that don’t believe COVID exists or that it isn’t deadly. What is your point? Marc Bernier and Meat Loaf should have gotten the vaccine? Yes and they didn’t win by avoiding it.

    Winning would have been beating COVID without the vaccine which is what Marc advocated.

    The Dilbert dork is ignoring the anti-vaxxers that lost. COVID is a horrible way to go and especially if you look like a total idiot for refusing the vaccine. There are videos of former anti-vaxxers on oxygen telling people to get the vaccine. Doesn’t sound like winning.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  200. @Reg Cæsar

    In other words, it’s all about me, Me, Me. Obligation to those who have produced you doesn’t seem to have entered their minds, except in regard to paying taxes and regulating the environment.

    And again, we must insist on our right to live sanely, normally. Separation if necessary.

    The sooner these people are out of the gene pool, the better. But how long will it take the natalist remnant to make up the difference?

    The recovery can actually be quite fast. (The people who think you can not recover fertility are weirdo autistics who can do one derivative … and think that’s it, the world ends! Trust me they’ll be plenty of people around in the future, just not the same people.)

    But–the key “but”–we must stop the immigration madness. The “must have immigration!”, “immigration is our core value” people–we know who they are–are genocidal fanatics. They want to and will destroy us we don’t stop them. We either remove them from power, or exile them or separate from them.

    ~~

    Japan will be an interesting test case. So far–fingers crossed–they’ve resisted the Western “you must have immigration!” loons. (We’ll see if they can keep that up.) Japan’s population will plunge, but everything–jobs, housing, etc.–should ease up for the next generation. And their population should be much more comfortable for a not super large nation. (Japan is smaller than California and 3x its population–and California is now densely populated. Japan’s not quite a gigantic New Jersey … but close.)

    But the Japanese are kind of weird, so we’ll see. I think white people are actually more “lusty” and naturally fertile. This weirdo ideology has–sadly–been imposed on us, but most white folks are naturally far more normal. Girls and boys like each other, like being together, like making babies and having families together.

    I don’t think turning around the fertility collapse in the West is all that hard. Normie “breeders” will win out. Rather the crisis is stopping the immigration madness so that has a chance to happen.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  201. @J.Ross

    A fantastically good movie for the use of color alone.

    Umbrellas was the second of the Demy trilogy, the first one was Lola (1961) that was filmed in Black & White and actually has one of the characters from Cherbourg in it.

    https://m4uhd.tv/watch-movie-lola-1961-262380.html

    Third in the trilogy was Young Girls of Rochefort (1967), a conventional musical with Gene Kelly, Catherine Deneuve and her sister (RIP).

    https://theflixer.tv/watch-movie/watch-the-young-girls-of-rochefort-full-12488.5357086

  202. p38ace says:
    @Mr. Anon

    An unappreciated masterpiece! I wish Steven Spielberg had remade this instead of West Side Story.

  203. @AnotherDad

    Have a listen to this when next driving.

    https://www.corbettreport.com/coronastats/

    Or read these: Links @ Corbetts footnotes.

    Knut Wittkoski on The HighWire with Del Bigtree

    Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg- The TRUTH about Corona (Audio Translation)

    Dr John Ioannidis on coronavirus data

    Dr Joel Kettner questions the coronavirus narrative on CBC Radio

    Dr Scott Jensen on the ridiculous CDC guidelines

    12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic

    10 MORE Experts Criticising the Coronavirus Panic

    Perspectives on the Pandemic: Alternative views on the coronavirus crisis

    Imperial College Covid-19 Model

    Epidemic suppression is the only strategy

    Extreme measures based on scientific paper

    2.2 million would have died ‘if we did nothing’: Trump

    Ferguson walks back 500,000

    Key coronavirus model revised downward, predicts 60K deaths in US by August

    The National for Friday, April 3 —Ontario releases COVID-19 projections; Isolation PTSD

    Imperial College gets $79 million from Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

    Dr. Fauci on criticism of coronavirus modeling

    “This is for real”

    NY Post cover image: mass graves in NYC!

    NYC may temporarily bury coronavirus victims on Hart Island

    Drone video may show inmates burying coffins on NYC’s infamous Hart Island

    De Blasio admits coronavirus victims have been buried on Hart Island

    Workers in full Hazmat suits bury rows of coffins in Hart Island mass grave as NYC officials confirm coronavirus victims WILL be buried there if their bodies aren’t claimed within two weeks after death toll rises to 4,778

    No, NYC Is Not Running Out of Burial Space Due to COVID-19

    New York City coronavirus death toll jumps past 10,000 in revised count

    New ICD code introduced for COVID-19 deaths

    Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease 2019

    Deborah Birx: If Someone Dies w/ COVID-19, We Are Counting That As a COVID-19 Death

    What’s Up With The Italian Mortality Rate? – Questions For Corbett #058

    Covid19 Death Figures “A Substantial Over-Estimate”

    Has COVID-19 Testing Made the Problem Worse?

    US unemployment surges by 22 million in a month

    Coronavirus Death Predictions Bring New Meaning to Hysteria

  204. @AnotherDad

    I do hope your breeding days are over.
    Because if you’re vaxxed, they probably are.
    But you’re done Dadding. right?

    https://behindthefdacurtain.substack.com/p/pfizer-fda-cdc-hid-proven-harms-to?utm_campaign=post_embed

  205. @JR Ewing

    Because no one who got the shot died, right?

    Unless your answer that question is, “Correct. No one who got the shot died from Covid.” then you are missing the point entirely.

    At least Scott Adams has the integrity to understand and admit that point.

    There is probably someone that died from the vaccine. Some 1 in 100 million case where they had a reaction. Someone dies every year from a peanut allergy. Doesn’t mean that we should pull peanuts from shelves.

    That unlucky case doesn’t justify the over 100k fatalities in people that refused the vaccine. It certainly isn’t a win for anti-vaxxers. That doesn’t make any sense. Anti-vaxxers that recanted upon getting COVID certainly don’t feel like winners. Their bereaved families don’t view them as winning.

    If the anti-vaxx side argued that only 60+ should get the vaccine then I would have less of a problem with them. But before the vaccines were even released they were declaring them to be ineffective and to this day they can’t agree on if they work or not. The anti-vaxx side takes about a dozen competing and contradictory positions.

    It’s not just fatalities. There are billions in outstanding hospital bills from anti-vaxxers that ended up in the ER.

    Scott is not making a valid point because he is depicting anti-vaxxers as alive and healthy. Anti-vaxxers that have organ damage from being on a ventilator do not feel like they won. There will actually be billions in long term care bills for these anti-vaxxers that didn’t want to get a simple shot at their local Ralphs. Conservative boomers that watch Fox while smoking cigarettes and deciding to not get the vaccine because Tucker scared them out of it.

    But the fact that the anti-vaxx side so commonly cites a liberal lawyer and a cartoonist speaks volumes. Neither have any background in biology and both create individualized media instead of engaging in public debate. The liberal lawyer has millions and yet the anti-vaxx side seems to think nothing of him charging $15 for an e-book. If he is really concerned with public health then why does he charge so much?

  206. @John Johnson

    “It’s not just fatalities. There are billions in outstanding hospital bills from anti-vaxxers that ended up in the ER.”

    Lawd do I hate this horsesh!t argument.

    I worked for a long time in hospitals, clinics, and emergency rooms. Do you know what is the real cause of billions upon billions in outstanding hospital bills? Do you know what causes hospitals to go bankrupt?

    LATINOS! Illegal Latinos, and all their ninos!

    Compared to the tsunami of illegal ninos, the anti-vaxxers are a rounding error.

    • Agree: AceDeuce, Mark G.
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  207. @AnotherDad

    I don’t think turning around the fertility collapse in the West is all that hard. Normie “breeders” will win out. Rather the crisis is stopping the immigration madness so that has a chance to happen.

    Liberal policies may in fact ironically reverse the fertility collapse at some point.

    They deny genetics and don’t think there will be any ramifications to encouraging the most liberal Whites to have the fewest children.

    Of course the counter-argument is that they will simply indoctrinate new recruits.

    But I think they are going to desecrate their own gene pool. By discouraging gays from being closeted and by encouraging intelligent women to “serve the cause” they are going to limit their leadership cadre.

    I saw this at a micro level when I had to work with liberals. The more determined activists were much less likely to have children. The women that had a lot more (cough) male options were much more likely to lose the faith. A liberal woman can change overnight if the right man comes along. They will ditch their friends and politics without second thought. Most women aren’t actually friends with each other and especially in their 20s. If an in shape conservative White guy with a decent income comes along then forget everything. The BLM sticker will be off the car the next day. The genes of such a couple will be less likely to be liberal than if the activist had children.

    I’ve actually talked to liberals about this phenomenon. They didn’t deny this happens and I haven’t had a single liberal deny this aspect of female nature. But they maintained they would win anyways through immigration.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  208. Kylie says:
    @Meretricious

    Yes, not only was George Peppard unconvincing in Breakfast at Tiffany’s, apparently he was very difficult on set, being a student of the Method and quite sure of his own talent.

    • Agree: Meretricious
  209. @HammerJack

    Ah, a little cyberstalking never hurt anyone.

    Now, if we examine this picture, we can see a) Steve pointing a gun at the camera; b) a dog; c) the packaging for a Fess Parker Daniel Boone Trail Blazer Jacket; d) a pinball machine; and e) various other things.

    The fact that Steve has a gun and is a white male is extremely troubling, given the pernicious persistence of systemic racism throughout American history.

    The Fess Parker Daniel Boone Trail Blazer jacket was released in 1964. It is possible, then, that this picture was taken on Friday, December 25, 1964. At that time, the United States was preparing to increase dramatically the breadth and depth of its involvement in Vietnam. (The Marines landed at Da Nang in March 1965.)

    Presumably, by brandishing a gun, Steve is signaling his willingness to go over to ‘Nam and kill some Commie gooks.

    It is unclear whether Steve is aiming at the person taking the picture or the dog. (It is possible that he intends to shoot both.)

    For purposes of comparison, here is a picture of me holding a gun. It was taken on Monday, December 25, 1989 – the day that Nicolai Ceaușescu was executed, and the day after Manuel Noriega took refuge in the Vatican embassy in Panama City:

    I have a strange smile on my face. Perhaps I am fantasizing about issuing a coup de grace to Ceaușescu, or mowing down the dastardly Noriega.

    The gun appears to be a Radio Shack Electronic Space Pistol, model number 60-1072:

    Several months after this picture was taken, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, and the United States launched Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm to expel him from Kuwait. Desert Storm was heralded as a major success and ushered in a new era of American military adventurism, culminating in the disastrous “Operation Iraqi Freedom” (sic), whose main result was to free a large number of Iraqi souls from their human containers.

    So the fact that I was packing heat at this particular time is extremely significant. Even then I was being drawn into the neocons’ diabolical schemes.

    I invite further analysis.

  210. Not an entire musical but “Let it Snow” is one classic number that has aroused massive feminist rage. They just can’t bear to think that two people somewhere might be having a little fun.

    (Certainly not a musical but the final original Star Trek episode is a hilarious test of how much abuse a female viewer can take. Insane with jealousy and ambition, lady scientist takes over Kirk’s body so she can be a starship captain — and does such a horrible job the crew finally mutinies.)

  211. Ah, presentism.

    Astaire does Robinson:

  212. Kylie says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    “‘A Girl Who Cain’t Say No’ sung by Gloria Grahame(!)”

    Also known as “The Stepmom’s Song”.

  213. And, just for comparison, the Man himself — also featuring the supernatural Jeni Le Gon and, at the piano, a BIG surprise:

  214. Late to this thread, but I’d nominate A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum.

  215. @Snootybaronet

    Between “Song of The South” and “Old Yeller” I must’ve shed a bucket of tears as an impressionable seven year-old.

  216. @ThreeCranes

    My favorite musical–bugger the Woke horseshit. The movie version was ok, but no one could replace the great basso cantate, Ezio Pinza.

  217. Muggles says:
    @Bill Jones

    Yes, very funny and worth watching. Especially for the Men of Unz.

    But a sharp eyed (and more skeptical) friend of mine replied to my sending him this that it was obviously a fake, a set up.

    But very funny.

    Elon should use this as an ad. But of course Tesla doesn’t advertise…

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  218. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Alec —

    Just because our cause is legitimate doesn’t mean we can afford to be less ruthless than the opposition. We want you to stay out a little bit longer. Out in the cold.

  219. AceDeuce says:
    @jimbo

    Hey, I didn’t vote FOR him (the first time): I voted AGAINST McCain, who was much more vile. I held my nose and voted against him the second time, and for the Mormon cuck.

    The Schoolmarm deleted my first reply.

    I’ll keep this one simple:

    Sorry. No excuses for you and your kind. Folks like you allowed eight years (once he was in, he was going to steal 2012-and he did) of Colored Boy Magic to drag this country down more than McCain ever would have. Plus you indirectly have given us Biden since so many mouthbreathers thought he was “good” as Obunghole’s VP.

    Thanks for nothing.

    The worst White Man is better ( or at least less harmful) than the best negro.

  220. @Reg Cæsar

    Whatever works” often doesn’t.

    Actually, unconsciously evolved, intuitively practiced patterns of behavior seem to work better than what we dream up. Witness Communism versus…everything else.

    Name an artificial, formally laid out system that actually works. Those you might cite all have pretty extensive appendices of unstated and tacitly understood qualifications.

    Any “ethical framework” is artificial by definition. As is any civilization their restraints allow us to create. In Sowellist terms, your “tolerance” is unconstrained.Whatever works” often doesn’t.

    I disagree. Most ethical frameworks — particularly the ones that work — are more or less inherited, and evolve unconsciously. Again, see the Workers’ Paradise. See various Christian attempts at utopian communities. It’s precisely those that are not artificial that work…and indeed, sometimes I just know something is wrong, or I know that it’s okay — whatever artificial rules I may subscribe to.

    Take the Covid hysteria. Well, I have something of a fetish about not lying. But when Costco started in with making one wear a mask unless one claimed to be immunized, I promptly lied and said I was immunized.

    At least given me and what I believe, it was the right thing to do — whatever my rules. Ethics — and ethical frameworks — are ultimately unconscious, intuitive, and not necessary subject to logical analysis.

    That kind of rules out the twenty page handbook for always being right — but that’s life in the big city.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  221. Stormy Weather. Perpetuates stereotypes about black people being better dancers than whites.

  222. Coemgen says:

    Current Year peoples’ head explode?

    Maybe this?
    https://archive.org/details/jazzsinger_Title_1

  223. @Muggles

    Isn’t the point that you’re never quite sure?

  224. An American in Paris. Selah.

  225. @John Johnson

    You certainly don’t hear a lot about the antivax martyrs these days who laid down their lives to save others.

    President Trump, who used to be quite popular, considered his greatest achievement to be the acceleration of approval of certain Covid-19 vaccines.

    Here in Ecuador, as of January 23rd, 219 vaccines have been distributed for every hundred people, and 36,000 out of a population of 17 million have died with Covid.

    On January 23rd there were zero active cases of Covid-19 in Ecuador, and the 7-day running average was also zero.

    A few weeks ago we were finally allowed to ride on the bus without masks, but a lot of people are still wearing masks voluntarily in public places like supermarkets and banks. I would estimate 60%, but the percentage is higher for employees.

    No figures on how many people have died from vaccination side effects, but I suspect that vaccinations reduced the overall death rate.

    I suspect the US has had a bad time of it because it has a large number of elderly people, and a large number of obese people. Fundamentally this has been a problem for Medicare, although you don’t hear Medicare officials talking much about it.

    (Personally I have had five vaccinations, and I am still alive at the time of posting this.)

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Dmon
  226. @John Johnson

    Anyone inclined to take this Fed John Johnson seriously needs to look at this post in which he falsely and maliciously quoted me as having said something I simply did not say at all.

    What this lying bastard did was cut-and-pasted a statement posted by a White racist and falsely claimed that I had posted it.

    I pointed this out at the time.

    He did not retract it or admit what he did.

    John Johnson is a pathologically lying bastard.

    A typical Fed.

    Legally, the Fed committed libel. Open and shut.

    Does anyone think it is worth suing the bastard?

    I am going to start going back and attaching a version of this note to every post John Johnson has made.

  227. @John Johnson

    Anyone inclined to take this Fed John Johnson seriously needs to look at this post in which he falsely and maliciously quoted me as having said something I simply did not say at all.

    What this lying bastard did was cut-and-pasted a statement posted by a White racist and falsely claimed that I had posted it.

    I pointed this out at the time.

    He did not retract it or admit what he did.

    John Johnson is a pathologically lying bastard.

    A typical Fed.

    Legally, the Fed committed libel. Open and shut.

    Does anyone think it is worth suing the bastard?

    I am going to start going back and attaching a version of this note to every post John Johnson has made.

  228. Coemgen says:

    Is there a movie that’s a roman á clef which features an unflattering and thinly veiled portrayal of Hillary Clinton?

    That would be interesting – even if it was a musical. It would cause certain heads to explode
    spectacularly.

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  229. @Anon

    “Carefully Taught” is undoubtedly one of the preachiest songs ever composed for a Broadway musical. It is a timeless specimen of virtue-signaling avant la lettre.

    Back in the seventies at Lincoln Center, I worked closely with someone who was about a dozen years older than I. He had been a Broadway and off-Broadway dancer in the fifties, as well as a corps de ballet part-timer with ABT, and he had some very interesting stories to tell. He was himself just a bit too young to have worked in the original production of South Pacific (1949), but a few of his fellow corps dancers in West Side Story (1957) had also danced in the earlier show.

    One of these dancers had witnessed an exchange between South Pacific’s producer, Joshua Logan, and Oscar Hammerstein. Logan was being very politic with Hammerstein—who, with Rodgers, had created two of the biggest moneymakers in Broadway history in the preceding seven years, Oklahoma! and Carousel—but it was plain that he didn’t like the song “Carefully Taught,” and he was doing his damnedest to persuade Hammerstein to drop it. The money quote was “Oscar, don’t you think your lyric is a bit heavy-handed? I’m worried that the audience will feel it’s being preached to and might take offense. Think about it overnight, will you?” Hammerstein came back to Logan the next day and said, “I’ve thought about it, Josh, and it doesn’t sound preachy to me. I want to leave it in.”

  230. @AnotherDad

    What you write aligns well with what RonUnz wrote (and a few others – substacker & Twitterer Orwell2024 writes that since Summer 2021).

    Ron Unz tells us in his latest Covid-article, that he debated these numbers with – Steve Kirsch. And that Steve Kirsch told him, that they’d be quite a surprise for him and that he’d have to think ’em through and: That he’ll reply to Ron Unz in written form. So: That will beinteresting – hehe – it is already quite interesting!
    Not sure, but Mr. Kirsch put one million Dollar on the table saying he’d bet them in this context somehow. I wish he had not done this, because that will make it much harder for him to come to grips with his mistakes. But then… – Let’s see!

  231. Odyssey says:

    The Sa(r)bini were one of the four tribes that founded the city of Rome. Three tribes were Serbian-speaking – the Dardani, the Raseni (Etruscans) and the Sabines. They gave the city of Rome its name (=place/space for living). We have already spoken before about the genocide of the Etruscan culture. ‘Another Polish’ unz commenter is currently studying the deciphering of the Etruscan alphabet and language, which was done back in 1984, but it is known only to a narrow scientific community and is still hidden from the general public.

  232. Farenheit says:

    Coming in a little late, but “Paint your Wagon” needs to be in your top 10.

    Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood singing solo, and of course the glorious scene where the blind drunk Lee Marvin out bids the rest of the mining camp for a Mormon’s spare, truculent, yet wonderfully endowed spare wife.

  233. @Reg Cæsar

    Any “ethical framework” is artificial by definition. As is any civilization their restraints allow us to create.

    Yes and no, I would suggest. Man is a unique creature. What would be entirely unnatural biologically for any other species (e.g., many of our hygienic and aesthetic practices; the entire concept of privacy surrounding excretory and copulatory activity; voluntary restraints and regulations concerning the latter, etc.) is necessary and, socially natural for us.

    • Replies: @Liza
  234. Corvinus says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Here’s a suggestion—recognize the illegitimacy of certain terms.

    —In 2021, the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association cosigned a statement with 120 other medical organizations in the evidence-based Coalition for the Advancement & Application of Psychological Science, calling for ROGD and other “anti-trans theories” not to be used in diagnostic or clinical settings, due to their lack of reputable scientific evidence. The statement also criticized the proliferation of misinformation supporting the concept of ROGD targeted at parents and clinicians and the concept’s use to justify laws limiting the rights of transgender youth in the United States.—

  235. (Here it is with a possibly more reliable link):

    Just for comparison, the Man himself, also featuring the supernatural Jeni Le Gon and, at the piano, the BIGGEST surprise guest star of them all:

    • Thanks: Meretricious
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  236. @Jonathan Mason

    ‘Here in Ecuador, as of January 23rd, 219 vaccines have been distributed for every hundred people, and 36,000 out of a population of 17 million have died with Covid.’

    Fuck. Look up the name. It’s Ecuador…because it’s on the equator.

    Now look up where and when the virus spikes. In winter…in countries with pronounced winters.

    …you might as well claim you weren’t ravaged by the disease on account of your cute bunny hats.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  237. @Steve Sailer

    ‘The stage version of Fiddler on the Roof was a popular hit but disliked by the critics. The movie version strikes me as very good on almost all dimensions.’

    ? I tried rewatching that — had to give up after half an hour.

    Unbelievably awful. Best argument for anti-semitism ever. Not even fair, really…make a movie like that about any people and they would look like shit.

  238. @YetAnotherAnon

    …the late Jorma Kaukonen.

    If you mean Jorma Sr, he was a diplomat, not a guitarist:

    https://prabook.com/web/jorma_l.kaukonen/420149

    Jorma Jr, the musician, is still alive.

    https://jormakaukonen.com/

  239. @Anon

    Some Like It Hot: Straight men dressed as women?

    Surprised no one else has mentioned this one. Would those below a certain age even get the humor in the ending line?

    (Similarly, how old would one have to be today to not think that the Jane Austen classic Pride and Prejudice must be the story of a heroic battle against homophobic bigotry?)

    Maybe I’m wrong on this one and this is exactly what they the powers that be now do want to show.

    Well, what do you know…
    Review: In ‘Some Like It Hot,’ an Invitation to Liberation

    A Broadway musical version of the Billy Wilder film finds exhilarating new ways to make the gender comedy sing.

    Would that headline alone, plus the mere fact that the NYT critics rate it favorably, not serve as sufficient notice to any anti-woke, traditionalist-inclined individual to stay clear?

  240. @Coemgen

    Is there a movie that’s a roman à clef which features an unflattering and thinly veiled portrayal of Hillary Clinton?

    Disney’s Snow White; the wicked stepmother. The fact that the film preceded the reality by sixty years is further evidence of Disney’s genius.

  241. we can’t forget this Bollywood classic:

  242. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    Here’s a suggestion—recognize the illegitimacy of certain terms.

    —In 2021, the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association cosigned a statement with 120 other medical organizations in the evidence-based Coalition for the Advancement & Application of Psychological Science, calling for ROGD and other “anti-trans theories” not to be used in diagnostic or clinical settings, due to their lack of reputable scientific evidence.

    Right – like all this tranny-insanity is backed by scientific evidence.

    I think I saw you once in a video game. You are literally an NPC. A mindless drone.

    Here’s a suggestion – F**k off, dips**t.

    • Agree: Art Deco
  243. Mr. Anon says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The stage version of Fiddler on the Roof was a popular hit but disliked by the critics. The movie version strikes me as very good on almost all dimensions.

    Other than in The Producers, I couldn’t stand Zero Mostel. I once heard a recording of him in the stage version of Fiddler on the Roof and didn’t care for his delivery at all.

    Topol was much better all round and gave a much more sympathetic portrayal of the lead character.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
  244. @Nicholas Stix

    Strauss -Howe 1990 book claimed that 1969’s films rarely paired a Silent era -born (1925-1942) man with a Silent era actress.
    All of Hepburn ‘s love interests are GI generation – Holden, Gary Cooper, Cary Grant or Lost eg Astaire , Bogart in Sabrina.

    The age gap between Astaire was startling when I rewatched the film this century as did most of her other films. The gap with Holden seemed normal.

    • Replies: @Houston 1992
    , @AceDeuce
  245. @Mr. Anon

    Mostel was excellent in The Front.

    Wiki: The Front is a 1976 drama film set against the Hollywood blacklist in the 1950s, when artists, writers, directors, and others were rendered unemployable, having been accused of subversive political activities in support of Communism or of being Communists themselves. It was written by Walter Bernstein, directed by Martin Ritt, and stars Woody Allen, Zero Mostel and Michael Murphy.

    Several people involved in the making of the film—including screenwriter Bernstein, director Ritt, and actors Mostel, Herschel Bernardi, and Lloyd Gough—had been blacklisted. (The name of each in the closing credits is followed by “Blacklisted 19–” and the relevant year.) Bernstein was listed after being named in the Red Channels journal that identified alleged Communists and Communist sympathizers.[1]

    • Replies: @Kylie
  246. Ralph L says:

    The complete Magic Flute is pretty sexist, but you’d probably have to find a version in German with subtitles. Branagh’s was entertaining but edited.

    When you’ve had your fill of white people, Carmen Jones was worth seeing if only to experience Belafonte’s humiliation for having to be dubbed.

  247. Dmon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “Here in Ecuador, as of January 23rd, 219 vaccines have been distributed for every hundred people, and 36,000 out of a population of 17 million have died with Covid.”

    From Worldometer and Statista.com
    Ecuador : 219 doses/100 people, 1984 deaths/1 million people
    South Africa : 63 doses/100 people, 1689 deaths/1 million people

    That vax is just kicking ass.

  248. Kylie says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Oh, the memories! My dad was a huge fan of “And This Is My Beloved” (but not the whole movie, for some reason).

    He was also a huge fan of “Singin’ in the Rain” (the whole movie) and “Wandrin’ Star”.

    Our favorite, though, was “The Producers”.

  249. @Houston 1992

    Typo correction from my smart phone :

    I meant to enter 1950’s films which had GI leading men with 1925-1942 “Silent” generation women such as Hepburn.

    It is remarkable to think that in 1956 Hollywood rated as commercially viable a pairing of the aging Astaire with Hepburn.

  250. Odyssey says:

    Something ‘diverse’?

    Maybe Doctor Zhivago and Lara’s song (with Julie Christie, Omar Sharif, Geraldine Chaplin, Rod Steiger, Alec Guinness)?

  251. Odyssey says:

    What about War and Peace:

  252. Kylie says:
    @Meretricious

    “Mostel was excellent in The Front.”

    He was also excellent in Panic in the Streets.

    • Thanks: Meretricious
  253. dee nile says:

    I can’t believe no one’s recommended Li’l Abner yet.

    With the volcel bodybuilders, and Julie Newmar — one of the Seven Brides — as Stupefyin’ Jones.

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Li%27l+Abner+&&view=detail&mid=48FF98613D98D57E296D48FF98613D98D57E296D&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DLi%2527l%2BAbner%2B%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

  254. @HammerJack

    I’ve never looked into the issue, claims and counterclaims, etc. I tend to assume Jefferson did father the children because if my wife were dead and I had an even moderately attractive 16 year old girl who lived with me and was literally my slave, I would certainly sleep with her. It may make me a bad man, but that’s the reality. Plus, Sally Hemings was Jefferson’s wife’s half-sister, so it’s plausible that she reminded him of his late wife, and if he loved his wife, it’s also plausible that she had similar characteristics to his wife that might have made him love her too. Plus, you know, she was only 1/4 black, so she probably looked fairly white. Prima facie, it’s plausible that TJ did the deed.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  255. @Colin Wright

    There is some evidence of less community outbreaks in locations that have hot temperatures and high humidity, but Ecuador has a mostly cool climate due to cold currents from the Pacific affecting coastal areas and high altitude affecting the Sierra, and mostly low humidity except in the northern coastal province of Esmeraldas.

    There is not really any direct relationship to latitude per se.

    Also, I suspect that there is not a huge difference between Hawaii and Florida on the one hand, and Alaska on the other.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  256. Jmaie says:
    @Bill Jones

    Who here remembers Candid Camera? They had a hilarious episode where they replaced the quarter panel on a car so that there was no access to fill the tank. Then they had a ditzy blonde pull up at full service and they filmed the gasoline jockeys.

    For that matter, who here remembers full service gas stations?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  257. @Jonathan Mason

    ‘There is some evidence of less community outbreaks in locations that have hot temperatures and high humidity, but Ecuador has a mostly cool climate due to cold currents from the Pacific affecting coastal areas and high altitude affecting the Sierra, and mostly low humidity except in the northern coastal province of Esmeraldas….’

    It would seem to be the change — when it gets cold and everyone goes inside. Just look at the graphs of the disease. Everyone’s gotten bored of it, so we ignored this winter’s wave — but three years running, it spikes very sharply in December-January.

    Ecuador wouldn’t have such an annual change in living patterns — so of course the disease wouldn’t have had the impact (such as it was) in areas with more marked seasons.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  258. @Jmaie

    For that matter, who here remembers full service gas stations?

    They still exist in many parts of the world. It prevents people from driving off without paying.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  259. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    It’s not just fatalities. There are billions in outstanding hospital bills from anti-vaxxers that ended up in the ER.

    Lawd do I hate this horsesh!t argument.

    Well you may take emotional offense but you can’t escape the math.

    Even at a conservative 2k per night in a hospital that would still mean billions from the unvaccinated. They made up the majority of the hospital patients during the peak.

    But it’s actually much more than a few billion because their care is expensive:
    https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/average-cost-hospital-care-covid-19-ranges-51000-78000-based-age

    I worked for a long time in hospitals, clinics, and emergency rooms. Do you know what is the real cause of billions upon billions in outstanding hospital bills? Do you know what causes hospitals to go bankrupt?

    LATINOS! Illegal Latinos, and all their ninos!

    Illegals have bankrupted some hospitals. So what? That doesn’t somehow negate the fact that anti-vaxxers ran up billions in health care bills.

    Reality doesn’t exist for one side as if everything is binary. It isn’t a sport where you just pick a side and cheer. It’s actually possible that both the unvaccinated and illegals have been a burden on ER rooms.

  260. Jack D says:
    @John Johnson

    Germ Theory is right and wrong at the same time.

    OTOH, it’s true that if you go into any emergency room in America you will see a bunch of sullen looking Indio women with their coughing infants on their knees. They use the emergency room as primary care. When they get to the ER they get triaged so they sit there all day while the serious cases get wheeled right past them. Eventually when they have time, some nurse practioner will see them and write Juanito a scrip for antibiotics for his earache. The hospital will issue a bill for several thousand $ for what should have been a $30 office visit, which will never get paid.

    Meanwhile, old white anti-vaxxer dude with Covid gets sent right up to the ICU where he lingers for days on the ventilator before expiring. His bill is not thousands but hundreds of thousands. One dude like that absorbs more medical care than 100 Juanitas with nasty coughs.

    But if you walk into the ER, all you see are Latinxs from wall to wall.

    America has an effed up immigration system AND and effed up system of medical care AND an effed up system where plebes have been so pissed on by elites that if an elite tells them that the sun rises in the east, they assume that the elite is lying to them and it really rises in the west. A hospital is the place where all of these fuckups intersect and it’s not pretty.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @John Johnson
  261. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    It has nothing to do with that. In fact it’s EASIER to drive off without paying in a full service station. In most self-service stations it’s either pay at the pump with a credit card or pay the attendant inside IN ADVANCE with cash.

    There is no self service gas in NJ because there is a law against it. Interestingly gas is not especially expensive in NJ (although this has more to do with state taxes on gas) which may indicate that the burden of paying for attendants is borne more by the station owner than the customer.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  262. @Wendy K. Kroy

    I remember seeing some of this when I was a kid. I didn’t find it offensive; I thought it was stupid, then and now.

    • Replies: @Wendy K. Kroy
  263. Art Deco says:
    @Colin Wright

    Didn’t spike in January this year in the U.S. Since mid-May, there have been mild undulations in death counts, with peaks the 2d week of August and the last week of December. The range of values for the seven-day moving average has been between 280 and 530 per day, with a mean of about 390 per day. In Britain and in France, the seasonal pattern evaporated in June of 2021 to be replaced with something like a sine wave with peaks every three or four months. The peak value has been declining in a haphazard way in both countries, more rapidly in France. In India, South Africa, Argentina, and the Netherlands, it’s beginning to look like COVID is over. Got a ways to go in most occidental countries.

  264. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    OTOH, it’s true that if you go into any emergency room in America you will see a bunch of sullen looking Indio women with their coughing infants on their knees. They use the emergency room as primary care.

    With the advent of commercial prompt care like MedStar, you should be seeing less of that.

  265. @Chrisnonymous

    Prima facie, it’s plausible that TJ did the deed.

    Perhaps. But I like to believe that TJ had too much honor to do it.

  266. @Jack D

    Interesting about New Jersey. I imagine that the law provides a lot of employment for gas station attendants. Also interesting that the gas is not notably high priced and yet the gas stations don’t go out of business. Maybe they jack up the prices on the sandwiches.

    Whether it is easier to drive away without paying at a full service gas station depends on whether you have to pay before they pump.

    When I lived in Florida driving off without paying was quite common, however they may have fixed all the pumps now so that they have to be turned on from inside. If they know you they will let you pump first and then pay.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  267. keypusher says:
    @Dmon

    I remember a very clever essay explaining Aristophanes to moderns. The author said the best possible introduction to Aristophanes is Gilbert & Sullivan.

  268. Mark G. says:
    @John Johnson

    Their care could have been made less expensive if early treatment programs had been developed and implemented. Some doctors did this and had a good success rate. These programs were not widely adopted, though, because many doctors trying to do so were threatened with the loss of their licenses.

    Every choice that the government allowed during the epidemic was one that maximized profits for big pharma and the medical cartel due to regulatory capture of the big federal health agencies and political donations to corrupt politicians. So, of course, treatments were expensive.

    I believe in personal responsibility but to have personal responsibility you need freedom of choice. My freedom of choice, along with the freedom of choice of others, was taken away from us in what medical treatments we could pick. The kind of heavy-handed authoritarianism that took place during the Covid epidemic ended up backfiring, though. Anyone who has the truth on their side can use persuasion and doesn’t need to engage in censorship and the use of force and the public eventually became aware of the nature of those who did engage in such tactics.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Jonathan Mason
  269. AceDeuce says:
    @Houston 1992

    Off the top of my head, Holden was only about 10 years older than Hepburn, which isn’t too bad. The others that you mention were all 25-30 years older than her.

    • Agree: houston 1992
  270. @Colin Wright

    I disagree. Most ethical frameworks — particularly the ones that work — are more or less inherited, and evolve unconsciously.

    Then we don’t disagree. The West’s framework derives from natural law, albeit not solely. It’s those like the French who get in trouble by thinking everything has to be thought out in advance. Analogous to civil vs. common law, or metric vs. human-scale units of measurement.

  271. @Jack D

    America has an effed up immigration system AND and effed up system of medical care AND an effed up system where plebes have been so pissed on by elites that if an elite tells them that the sun rises in the east, they assume that the elite is lying to them and it really rises in the west. A hospital is the place where all of these fuckups intersect and it’s not pretty.

    Agree with all of that and to be clear I don’t look at an overcrowded ER and think if only we could get rid of the Mexicans.

    The whole system is messed up and the ER system would still have huge problems even without illegals.

    In rural White areas there are middle class Whites that only go to a doctor if they absolutely have to in order to save money while someone poor enough for Medicaid can show up to the ER for a headache. The extremes in these cases can be so depressing that I won’t even share them.

    In Black areas the hospitals will tax middle class Whites by basically adding fees to private insurance. Some White guy walks in with a broken finger and they charge him 150% the normal cost to make up for Shawntre’s unpaid bill. This happens all the time. They will in fact charge the uninsured White guy even more because he won’t have an insurance rep to bring the charge down. The glorious private market at work.

    It’s all very messed up and I don’t support any of it. I describe these problems to conservatives and their response is to cut Medicaid. That isn’t politically viable and would only make things worse. But in their minds the private system must somehow need cutting somewhere. Years of Fox and AM Radio has them convinced that the private market must always be better for everyone. There must be some government tape or something that needs to be cut. They are in denial that both hospitals and insurance companies can be completely amoral and not at all concerned with public health.

    If it isn’t clear I knew someone that worked a hospital. I know about all of these problems and more.

    • Agree: houston 1992
  272. @Jonathan Mason

    Also interesting that the gas is not notably high priced and yet the gas stations don’t go out of business. Maybe they jack up the prices on the sandwiches.

    Have you ever been to New Jersey? And smelled the place? There are refineries all over. Elizabeth near the turnpike, if I remember right, was a place in which you’d fear to light a match.

    Wherever you find a thicket of refineries, the price at the pump will be significantly lower than in neighboring regions. That explains the Jerseyman’s discount.

    Yes, the sandwiches are overpriced, but not that different from the rest of the Northeast. Definitely cheaper than high-tax New York.

  273. @John Johnson

    Gawd, forget about 5-D underwater chess, you types can’t even play 1D with your underpants on. Fancy a game of tic-tac-toe?

    One of the only New Yorker cartoons I ever thought was funny, besides Charles Addams….

    Elvis is playing checkers with a dog. ELVIS: “King me.”

    I think that might have been the late great Danny Shanahan.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  274. Jack D says:
    @Mark G.

    Some doctors did this and had a good success rate. These programs were not widely adopted, though, because many doctors trying to do so were threatened with the loss of their licenses.

    I assume you are referring to ivermectin and hydroxyquinone and other quack remedies. These things don’t work. The “bugs” that they work against are not viruses. They have no anti-viral action. There was no “good success rate” in scientific trials. You’ll notice that not even anti-vaxxers talk about them any more because they don’t work.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  275. @Jim Don Bob

    well . . . they are queering a prominent upcoming presentation. Rosencavalier in April will be a same-sex love triangle. makes me reconsider supporting any of their other productions

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  276. @JohnnyWalker123

    bastardy is the most prevalent form of child abuse in this damned society

  277. @Renard

    Cabin in the Sky is awesome!

  278. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    blah blah blah meaningless dribble

    Even 50,000 hospitalizations of anti-vaxxers would result in billions in health care bills.

    If some fat Tucker Carlson fan actually paid his $75k bill I wouldn’t care.

    Anti-vaxx libertarians like this guy ran up massive bills and expected someone else to pay for them.

    They stomp their feet at the idea of socialized medicine but have no problem showing up when they can’t breathe and don’t care about who pays for it. Send it to the government or something. Who cares just treat me.

    Maybe Scott Adams can explain how this guy won.

  279. Liza says:
    @Post-Postmodernist

    e.g., many of our hygienic and aesthetic practices; the entire concept of privacy surrounding excretory and copulatory activity; voluntary restraints and regulations concerning the latter, etc.) is necessary and, socially natural for us.

    Could’ve fooled me. Most people don’t want to be seen copulating, but judging by the popularity of porn, millions of folks apparently have no qualms watching others “do it”.

    • Replies: @Post-Postmodernist
  280. @Liza

    Most people don’t want to be seen copulating,

    And how many (non-human) animals can the same be said for?

    but judging by the popularity of porn, millions of folks apparently have no qualms watching others “do it”.

    When the performers are at a safe enough distance…How comfortable would most viewers be if they recognized one or more of the performers as someone they knew and interacted with in real life? How comfortable would most performers remain if they became aware that their audience included someone whom they knew personally?

    Also, of the many millions who watch pornography, how many do so with no qualms; with no feelings of shame or guilt?

  281. Mark G. says:
    @Jack D

    You’ll notice that not even anti-vaxxers talk about them any more because they don’t work.

    You just aren’t paying attention. About to be published:

    https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/War-on-Ivermectin/Pierre-Kory/9781510773868

    “The War on Ivermectin is the personal and professional narrative of Dr. Pierre Kory, the co-founder of an expert group of physicians’, and his plight to alert the world of his group’s identification of ivermectin as a highly-effective, life-saving, widely available generic medicine with an obvious ability to end the global pandemic. In this book, Dr. Kory details all the personal attacks, professional setbacks, and concerted, corrupt, and highly effective actions which influenced the world’s major health agencies and medical journals to dismiss and deny it’s efficacy. Dr. Kory also relates firsthand the catastrophic impacts of mass media censorship and relentless mass media propaganda that he witnessed against ivermectin and his organization’s ability to help save lives.

    Despite these barriers, Dr. Kory and his colleagues’ efforts led to what is now twenty-three countries containing 25 percent of the world’s population to have partially or fully adopted ivermectin into their COVID-19 treatment guidelines. Although numerous studies and epidemiologic data have shown that many millions of lives were saved globally with the systematic use of ivermectin, many more millions perished as the result of what he eventually discovered to be the deep, long-standing, pervasive, and corruptive power of the pharmaceutical industry in its decades long-wars on generic medicines. They can’t make money on ivermectin like they can on so many other drugs and vaccines, so why would they promote it? Due to Big Pharma’s consistent lies and gaslighting about this incredibly effective drug, the war on ivermectin has led to one of the greatest human death tolls in history.”

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  282. @Mark G.

    However Dr. Kory has figured out how to make money from ivermectin by selling courses of tablets for about 100x their true retail value.

  283. @Mark G.

    Every choice that the government allowed during the epidemic was one that maximized profits for big pharma and the medical cartel.

    Actually a common steroid (dexamethasone) that is practically free was widely used ( as I predicted right at the onset of the pandemic).

    https://www.medintensiva.org/es-dexametasona-covid-19-un-medicamento-todos-articulo-S021056912100067X

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  284. Mark G. says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Actually a common steroid (dexamethasone) that is practically free was widely used ( as I predicted right at the onset of the pandemic).

    Yes, I used that and it was helpful. However, me and many others had to wait until we were gasping for breath and were put into a hospital before we were treated. As I said previously, doctors trying to develop and implement early treatment programs were largely blocked from doing so by being threatened with the loss of their medical licenses. This seriously raised the price of treatment since hospital treatments for patients in an advanced stage of the disease are much more expensive than home treatments for early-stage patients. Dexamethasone in itself might not be expensive but becomes so as part of a package deal that includes an expensive hospital stay.

    I was also given the expensive Remdesivir. I later learned that, while this drug reduces the length of the disease slightly, it doesn’t reduce death rates. It also can have nasty side effects, which are bad in themselves, but are also bad because patients have to be monitored for these side effects in a hospital setting. It’s not usually given at home. My doctor actually told me three days into my hospital stay that I didn’t look sick, but I had to stay another two days so they could monitor me while I was being given Remdesivir. I just wished I had easy access to a doctor offering less expensive early home treatments. I spent two weeks at home slowly getting sicker and might not have progressed to an advanced stage of the disease if I had that access. I refused the vaccine because the people offering it were evil by blocking an alternative. If you go along with evil, you encourage it. This I refuse to do.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Liza
  285. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @keypusher

    Women are afraid by nature, this fear shows up as high “Neuroticism” in the OCEAN personality traits. Women are above all afraid of admitting to be afraid; they think it makes them look weak and an inviting target. Women want to a protector to care for them, but are also afraid of the protector.

    Feminism has amplified this fear by applying Marxist theory: any man offering to protect a woman is actually trying to “exploit” her, and is too dangerous to accept.
    Only men who obviously insult other men and show little interest in the woman might be able to protect the woman and not be interested in “exploiting” her, so she attaches herself to such a man and tolerates “the devil she knows”. Presumably the woman would prefer a protector who was not obnoxious, but it’s the steady obnoxiousness that shows the man is an able protector. Catch-22.

    You have to remember that English feminism, ancestral to present feminism, was the creation of semi-insane English nobility spinsters who had lost out in the husband market. Their idea was more revenge than equity, a variant on the Media “woman scorned” architype. They thought to destroy a society that had destroyed their lives, turnabout being fair play. Marxists simply took that and used it to generate fanatical opponents of the social order.

    And so you get a society in which women supposedly don’t want to get married or “be dominated” in marriage, and so destroy everything around them.

    Fortunately, not all women are like that. Unfortunately, many are.

  286. Liza says:
    @Mark G.

    How about looking after your overall health so that you don’t get such serious acute syndromes?

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  287. Mark G. says:
    @Liza

    How about looking after your overall health so that you don’t get such serious acute syndromes?

    I do look after my health. In my case I was 64 years old. People my age were likely to get that. Some that age died from it. My good health habits are why I’m still here. My doctor looked at my lung x-rays two weeks after my sickness and said he was surprised he saw absolutely no lung damage and that I must really take care of myself.

    How about having a medical system that allows freedom of choice and puts the health of the patient first rather than a medical system that uses coercion and censorship in order to maximize profits for big pharma and the medical cartel? How about people engaging in evasiveness and obfuscation stopping that and admitting such a system is in place?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  288. @DenverGregg

    You may be right. OTOH, from the description:

    A dream cast assembles for Strauss’s grand Viennese comedy. Soprano Lise Davidsen is the aging Marschallin, opposite mezzo-soprano Isabel Leonard as her lover Octavian and soprano Erin Morley as Sophie, the beautiful younger woman who steals his heart.

    It is true that Octavian is usually played by a man, but mezzo-soprano Isabel Leonard frequently plays trouser roles and Erin Morley as Sophie steals his (Octavian’s) heart. So maybe it’s not that gay after all.

    I will probably go see it anyway. These three woman are really good.

    • Replies: @Liza
    , @Jim Don Bob
  289. BB753 says:
    @Joe Stalin

    No babies, though. It seems she was raised in foster homes and abandoned as a baby ( sold, she said).

  290. @Mark G.

    How about having a medical system that allows freedom of choice and puts the health of the patient first rather than a medical system that uses coercion and censorship in order to maximize profits for big pharma and the medical cartel?

    To find that you have to move away from the USA. Every country has its pluses and minuses. The way in which the health system is financed is one of the minuses of the USA.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  291. Liza says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    So maybe it’s not that gay after all.

    I hope that you’re right.

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