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A writer named Calley Means recounts an eye-opening lesson:

Early in my career, I consulted for Coke to ensure sugar taxes failed and soda was included in food stamp funding.

I say Coke’s policies are evil because I saw inside the room.

The first step in playbook was paying the NAACP + other civil rights groups to call opponents racist.

Coke gave millions to the NAACP and the Hispanic Federation – both directly and through front groups like the American Beverage Association.

This picked up in 2011-2013 – when the Farm Bill and soda taxes were under consideration.

The conversations inside these rooms was depressingly transactional:

“We (Coke) will give you money. You need to paint opponents of us as racist.”

 
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  1. The first step in playbook was paying the NAACP + other civil rights groups to call opponents racist.

    Practically all mainstream black leaders are whores.

    A black Atlantan businessman once said that his neighbors all drank Pepsi. Unless they were “strivers”.

    • Replies: @reactionry
    @Reg Cæsar

    "strivers"

    Reg Caesar might have been relieved to learn that in spite of the apparent striving of Deborah Anderson of the Harvard School of Medicine for an "Ig Nobel" Prize in Chemistry in the 1980s, evidence is lacking for contraceptive efficacy of Coca Cola Douches.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14864-coca-cola-douches-scoop-ig-nobel-prize/

    A vinyl of the below is lurking around here somewhere. Clicking on Play is not advised.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YJmUZXGxD0

    Also see: Coca Cola, obesity, Fatty Arbuckle

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Achmed E. Newman

  2. PepsiCo’s Mountain Dew might be the GOAT, but one of its ads was said to have been the most racist of all time:

    • LOL: Jim Christian, TWS, Dmon
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @reactionry

    I'm confused. Was the goat supposed to be black?

    Replies: @Dmon

    , @Ben tillman
    @reactionry

    It looks like something Key and Peele would do.

  3. “We (Coke) will give you money. You need to paint opponents of us as racist.”

    Well, did Coke’s plan work? Let’s have a list of Coke’s opponents who are considered racist. Pepsi? Big Milk (the dairy industry)? RC Cola? Fanta?

    • Replies: @Larry, San Francisco
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Wasn't against other sugar producers, the contributions were to protect it from regulators who wanted to limit sugar intake.

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Coke was mostly targeting health and wellness professionals, nutritionists and doctors who were trying to get the government to reduce consumption of sugary sodas. Most of those professionals were naturally white liberals, for whom accusations of “racism” are like a body blow.

    , @Ben Kurtz
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Whole Milk is Racist.

    Coke's scheme worked.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/milk-white-supremacy-racism_n_5bffad35e4b0864f4f6a3e28

  4. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    “We (Coke) will give you money. You need to paint opponents of us as racist.”

    Well, did Coke's plan work? Let's have a list of Coke's opponents who are considered racist. Pepsi? Big Milk (the dairy industry)? RC Cola? Fanta?

    Replies: @Larry, San Francisco, @Peter Akuleyev, @Ben Kurtz

    Wasn’t against other sugar producers, the contributions were to protect it from regulators who wanted to limit sugar intake.

  5. As usual you buried the lede. By not even getting to it.

    “Sugary drinks are one of the top causes of obesity and diabetes.”

    But let us express our freedom and drink a hundred thousand big gulps and then charge up the taxpayer for all your hospitalizations.

    It’s freedom! FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @obwandiyag

    Bingo. Selling these drinks at all is evil. So why would anyone be surprised that they'd pay race hustlers to cry racism?

  6. @Reg Cæsar

    The first step in playbook was paying the NAACP + other civil rights groups to call opponents racist.
     
    Practically all mainstream black leaders are whores.

    A black Atlantan businessman once said that his neighbors all drank Pepsi. Unless they were "strivers".

    Replies: @reactionry

    “strivers”

    Reg Caesar might have been relieved to learn that in spite of the apparent striving of Deborah Anderson of the Harvard School of Medicine for an “Ig Nobel” Prize in Chemistry in the 1980s, evidence is lacking for contraceptive efficacy of Coca Cola Douches.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14864-coca-cola-douches-scoop-ig-nobel-prize/

    A vinyl of the below is lurking around here somewhere. Clicking on Play is not advised.

    Also see: Coca Cola, obesity, Fatty Arbuckle

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @reactionry

    NatLamp’s 1964 High School Yearbook suggests that “Buckeye Cola” will do the trick.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @reactionry

    Between this and the goat commercial video, you guys made my day. I'm still smiling! Thanks.

  7. This guy is telling the truth. I actually remember hearing about this back around a decade ago.

    It’s unfortunate to see how easy it is to bribe leading authority figures in the USA. I wonder why bribery and corruption are so pervasive at the top. Is it because American society has become so comically greedy that the mentality is to make money at any cost? Is it because the competition for elite jobs is so extreme that typically only the unscrupulous get to the top? Is it because individuals from relatively less ethical groups (Jews, Blacks, Asians, Indians, Muslims, Eastern Euros, Cubans, Armenians, Ellis Islanders, etc.) are well-represented in elite occupations?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://www.businessinsider.com/naacp-joins-soda-ban-lawsuit-2013-1

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/nyregion/fight-over-bloombergs-soda-ban-reaches-courtroom.html

    Check out the above links.

    "Civil Rights" groups are increasingly becoming grift operations.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Barnard, @Ben Kurtz

    , @PhysicistDave
    @JohnnyWalker123

    JohnnyWalker123 asked:


    It’s unfortunate to see how easy it is to bribe leading authority figures in the USA. I wonder why bribery and corruption are so pervasive at the top. Is it because American society has become so comically greedy that the mentality is to make money at any cost? Is it because the competition for elite jobs is so extreme that typically only the unscrupulous get to the top?
     
    Both of those.

    But the biggest reason is even more obvious: if the government has an enormous amount of power, enough power to easily make or break your business, then you have a fiduciary obligation to influence the government by any means necessary to protect your stockholders.

    Or in simpler language:

    Big government is inevitably corrupt government.

    Because it is really worth bribing big government.

    Replies: @Dr. DoomNGloom, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123


    soda is one of the cheapest ways to get calories
     
    This actually has some resonance in 3rd world countries - if you look at a place like India, people who are poor tend to be very scrawny and if they could afford to drink a 6 oz. bottle of soda every day it might help them to be less underweight (btw 6 fluid oz. was the volume of the traditional bottle of Coke).

    But in America it's ridiculous. However it goes with the whole crazy "hunger in America" nonsense. If you visit the ghettoes of America there are a lot of problems but lack of calories isn't one of them. There is a huge government and non-profit structure that is pushing MORE food into American ghettos but hardly anyone that is invested in people consuming LESS food.

    Replies: @Corn

  8. Probably nutrition/ health advocates who argued that soda is not food and maybe also that poor food stamp recipients, particularly blacks, have a higher than average obesity rate and shouldn’t be drinking government subsidized sugar water.

  9. If it wasn’t for sugar, those NAACP leaders would be likely living in Africa. Contrary to the popular saying, sugar (and tobacco) are what really got slavery established.

    • Replies: @Kim
    @Redneck farmer

    Yes, sugar was a plantation crop requiring slavery before the Europeans even arrived in West in Africa.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  10. If you ask actual black people though they would largely be okay with this. This is like the corporate equivalent of Freeway Rick’s case about the CIA selling heroin to people who are already addicted to heroin. The bad guy here is government un-Constitutionally declaring itself tsar of all health and food, not white people or Coca-Cola. As far as I know there are no food stamp programs which can be called truly “healthy” or abuse-proof.
    However, it stumbles across a potential major unifying issue, which is that in Joe Biden’s America, completely unprecedented levels of corruption are totally out of control, to the point that normies are starting to talk about it.

  11. So did they actually do this, did they push the propaganda that being anti sugary drinks was racist?

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @neutral


    So did they actually do this, did they push the propaganda that being anti sugary drinks was racist?
     
    I'm guessing they used disparate impact, like more blacks like menthol cigarettes so banning them is rayceeest.

    Replies: @Jack D

  12. Off-topic.

    Elimination of Harmful Language #1

    The Supreme Court in 1942 unanimously agreed on an exception to otherwise widely protected free speech. It’s quite odd that almost no one today knows what epithet was shouted that led the Court to declare that exceptions to free speech include,

    “fighting” words — those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality. “Resort to epithets or personal abuse is not in any proper sense communication of information or opinion safeguarded by the Constitution, and its punishment as a criminal act would raise no question under that instrument.”

    What did Chaplinsky shout that the Supreme Court deemed unprotected speech? I urge you to look below the fold:

    [MORE]

    “You are a God damned racketeer [and] a damned Fascist and the whole government of Rochester are Fascists or agents of Fascists!

    That’s right, abusing someone by falsely calling them a fascist (or, presumably, a Nazi, or, probably, a racist) is fighting words not protected by the First Amendment.

    If I could afford it I’d offer a $100,000 prize to anyone who can find in recent years among the numerous pro-censorship groups (DNC, DHS, FBI, CIA, Atlantic Council, NGOs, Broken Society Foundation, other woke foundations, international organizations, university disinformation oracles, MSM editorialists, DIE commissars, libel leagues, direct-mail enrichment centers, grievance coalitions) a single expression of concern about the millions of individuals falsely accused in social media and other public settings of being a fascist or Nazi.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlLpciGaUAEEJ0M?format=jpg&name=medium

    Ugly video of U. North Texas Antifa, lily-white and black-clad, using blackshirt methods to shut down a political speech:

    (The precise boundaries of the exception are unresolved. Exhaustive nuance can be found here: https://www.freedomforuminstitute.org/first-amendment-center/topics/freedom-of-speech-2/personal-public-expression-overview/fighting-words/)

    (The f-word and the extremism industry – https://www.firstthings.com/article/2022/12/the-f-word )

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @New Dealer

    Fighting words are spoken words, not written.

    Replies: @New Dealer

  13. @JohnnyWalker123
    This guy is telling the truth. I actually remember hearing about this back around a decade ago.

    https://twitter.com/calleymeans/status/1609929033399283712

    It's unfortunate to see how easy it is to bribe leading authority figures in the USA. I wonder why bribery and corruption are so pervasive at the top. Is it because American society has become so comically greedy that the mentality is to make money at any cost? Is it because the competition for elite jobs is so extreme that typically only the unscrupulous get to the top? Is it because individuals from relatively less ethical groups (Jews, Blacks, Asians, Indians, Muslims, Eastern Euros, Cubans, Armenians, Ellis Islanders, etc.) are well-represented in elite occupations?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @PhysicistDave, @Jack D

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @JohnnyWalker123

    “Civil Rights” groups are increasingly becoming grift operations.

    Jesse Jackson's outfit was exposed as a shakedown operation nearly 40 years ago.

    As for the NAACP, Bruce Gordon during his time as director attempted to re-orient its efforts in the direction of social work and was slapped down by the board. He figured that he, as an accomplished business executive (retired) shouldn't have to take orders from a no-account like Julian Bond and resigned. After Mr. Gordon heads off into the sunset, the board announces its top priority will be a 'federal hate crimes bill'.

    I can think of two black politicians who made a positive difference where they were at work: Anthony Williams and Robert Bowser. Williams has not been a particularly honored figure in the black population and Bowser ended up being voted out of office.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Arclight

    , @Barnard
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Civil Rights groups have been shakedown and grift operations since their inception. The problems they are having is that this has become more obvious and the rhetoric is having to get more ridiculous to keep the grift going. Convincing blacks to embrace eternal victimhood is the only thing keeping them going.

    , @Ben Kurtz
    @JohnnyWalker123


    “Civil Rights” groups are increasingly becoming grift operations.
     
    "Becoming," kemosabe?

    [Cue up the"always has been" meme.]
  14. “That’s right, abusing someone by falsely calling them a fascist (or, presumably, a Nazi, or, probably, a racist) is fighting words not protected by the First Amendment.”

    I dunno, being demonstrably any of those things just makes it a statement of fact.

  15. The new government in Israel just cancelled a tax on soft drinks instituted by the previous administration because Ultra-Orthodox Jews with large families drink them a lot. They also complained that it was bigoted.

  16. In a similar fashion:

    The Japanese company that makes MSG runs a worldwide campaign to label anyone who deems MSG to be harmful “racist”. They even got a couple of Z-list “stars “ in the US, Eddie Huang and Jennie Mai, to scream “Way-cist” at anyone criticizing their sacred MSG. It got to the point where scientists in the US stopped studying its effects

    Meanwhile, researchers in China have found that MSG is harmful for kids at least. How way-cist

  17. @JohnnyWalker123
    This guy is telling the truth. I actually remember hearing about this back around a decade ago.

    https://twitter.com/calleymeans/status/1609929033399283712

    It's unfortunate to see how easy it is to bribe leading authority figures in the USA. I wonder why bribery and corruption are so pervasive at the top. Is it because American society has become so comically greedy that the mentality is to make money at any cost? Is it because the competition for elite jobs is so extreme that typically only the unscrupulous get to the top? Is it because individuals from relatively less ethical groups (Jews, Blacks, Asians, Indians, Muslims, Eastern Euros, Cubans, Armenians, Ellis Islanders, etc.) are well-represented in elite occupations?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @PhysicistDave, @Jack D

    JohnnyWalker123 asked:

    It’s unfortunate to see how easy it is to bribe leading authority figures in the USA. I wonder why bribery and corruption are so pervasive at the top. Is it because American society has become so comically greedy that the mentality is to make money at any cost? Is it because the competition for elite jobs is so extreme that typically only the unscrupulous get to the top?

    Both of those.

    But the biggest reason is even more obvious: if the government has an enormous amount of power, enough power to easily make or break your business, then you have a fiduciary obligation to influence the government by any means necessary to protect your stockholders.

    Or in simpler language:

    Big government is inevitably corrupt government.

    Because it is really worth bribing big government.

    • Replies: @Dr. DoomNGloom
    @PhysicistDave


    Big government is inevitably corrupt government.
    Because it is really worth bribing big government.
     
    True and concise.
    But I think the problem you describe is not only real, but also deeper than bribing government. When survival is at stake, nothing is off the table.

    Therefore, when government wields great power over your life or business, this leads to widespread corruption because the cost of failure is existential . The corruption includes not only government, but politics, and social norms.

    As we have seen, it's not just bribing the government, but bribing, corrupting, or perverting every conceivable institution and brainwashing every possible person. Republican government doesn't require Marquis of Queensbury rules, but there need to be some norms and limits on how the battles are fought.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @PhysicistDave

    I am clean out of [Agree]s right now, but that is the essence of all of this. You are a true Libertarian, Dave. Whether you want to admit that around here or not is another story ...

  18. @reactionry
    PepsiCo's Mountain Dew might be the GOAT, but one of its ads was said to have been the most racist of all time:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFRWf-CNC8

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Ben tillman

    I’m confused. Was the goat supposed to be black?

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @Hypnotoad666

    Yes - it's a Nubian.

  19. The soft bigotry of low expectations at work again. Calling sugar addictive is false however.

  20. For a glimpse inside Corporate Woke in America, have a look at Disney.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2022-12-28/disneys-midnight-ceo-ouster-tale-corruption-esg-politics-possible-ftx-contagion

    Voting Harder isn’t going to fix this for the Right.

  21. OT: Tonight a player on the 100% vaccinated Buffalo Bill’s suffered a heart attack after a routine tackle and either died suddenly or is fighting for his life.

    But the really important thing is that we don’t allow people to exploit this event to cast doubt on the safety and effectiveness of the vaxx. If Hamlin hadn’t been vaccinated his eventual case of covid could have been slightly worse. So let’s keep things in perspective.

    • Thanks: ThreeCranes, TWS
    • Replies: @Kim
    @Hypnotoad666

    In 2022, Shane Warne, the most famous cricketer of the last 30 years, suddenly dropped dead at age 52. Triple jabbed.

    The jab was not mentioned as a cause of death.

    Meanwhile, Rod Stewart was very angry with people who would not get jabbed.

    https://media.communities.win/post/95qOTvW8JAiB.jpeg

    , @HammerJack
    @Hypnotoad666

    Relevant to that: A WSJ op-ed that takes no prisoners. What was last week's evil conspiracy theory is this week's angry editorial. (Incidentally I'm sort of agnostic about the whole business.)

    Are Vaccines Fueling New Covid Variants?
    The virus appears to be evolving in ways that evade immunity...

    Notably, workers who had received more doses were at higher risk of getting sick. Those who received three more doses were 3.4 times as likely to get infected as the unvaccinated, while those who received two were only 2.6 times as likely.
    https://archive.ph/Y3kCX

     

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Hypnotoad666

    RIP, but he was ranting about people who didn't get vaccinated as being evil and causing the pandemic to continue.

    , @TWS
    @Hypnotoad666

    We'll see more of suddenly but you know it's normal. Beneficial even and it's caused by electrical impulses getting crossed not clots.

    In fact, climate change causes a whole host of problems including heart, birth defects and miscarriage.

    Definitely not the clot shot.

    , @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    If the vaccine causes heart attacks and the Bills are 100% vaccinated, why didn't all of them drop dead of heart attacks?

    There are now 263 million people or 79% of the US population that have received at least one dose of the Covid vaccine. Many of these 263 million people are going to drop dead from various causes from now on. (Hamlin BTW is still alive). The fact that any given vaccinated individual drops dead neither proves nor disproves that the vaccine kills you. In fact it doesn't prove anything at all and the fact that you think that it does only shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics.

    Replies: @PeterIke, @Hypnotoad666

    , @Veteran Aryan
    @Hypnotoad666

    The prestige media is rushing to get doctors on TV to explain to the rubes that what actually happened is a case of the exceedingly rare commotio cordis. Don't know if having an inflamed heart makes the condition more likely. The reality is that we'll never know for sure unless he dies and has an autopsy. Even then, it would be covered up. But that's pretty unlikely since he was young and healthy and got immediate medical attention.

    I died once for a few minutes, but I was in intensive care at the time so doctors were right in the room with me when it happened. Pulmonary embolism. Gotta say, even with immediate medical attention it was a pretty rough go. Felt like I had a few dozen fishhooks in my right lung, and someone was standing on my shoulders trying to yank them out. Do not recommend.

    , @International Jew
    @Hypnotoad666

    A lot of Football players are hopped up on amphetamines. Seems to me that's a more likely culprit for his heart failure, than any Covid vaccine.

  22. @Redneck farmer
    If it wasn't for sugar, those NAACP leaders would be likely living in Africa. Contrary to the popular saying, sugar (and tobacco) are what really got slavery established.

    Replies: @Kim

    Yes, sugar was a plantation crop requiring slavery before the Europeans even arrived in West in Africa.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Kim

    Slavery was introduced to America from Africa.
    It was unknown in England since the 1100's. Even the Church forbade it in about 1205.

  23. @Hypnotoad666
    OT: Tonight a player on the 100% vaccinated Buffalo Bill's suffered a heart attack after a routine tackle and either died suddenly or is fighting for his life. https://youtu.be/fbAIR9faV3o

    But the really important thing is that we don't allow people to exploit this event to cast doubt on the safety and effectiveness of the vaxx. If Hamlin hadn't been vaccinated his eventual case of covid could have been slightly worse. So let's keep things in perspective.

    Replies: @Kim, @HammerJack, @R.G. Camara, @TWS, @Jack D, @Veteran Aryan, @International Jew

    In 2022, Shane Warne, the most famous cricketer of the last 30 years, suddenly dropped dead at age 52. Triple jabbed.

    The jab was not mentioned as a cause of death.

    Meanwhile, Rod Stewart was very angry with people who would not get jabbed.

  24. Hi again Steve. I’ll post this a second time just in case you have a change of heart, or perhaps deleted it by accident. Or was the “negro” thing a problem? Sorry I didn’t include any goats.

  25. @Hypnotoad666
    OT: Tonight a player on the 100% vaccinated Buffalo Bill's suffered a heart attack after a routine tackle and either died suddenly or is fighting for his life. https://youtu.be/fbAIR9faV3o

    But the really important thing is that we don't allow people to exploit this event to cast doubt on the safety and effectiveness of the vaxx. If Hamlin hadn't been vaccinated his eventual case of covid could have been slightly worse. So let's keep things in perspective.

    Replies: @Kim, @HammerJack, @R.G. Camara, @TWS, @Jack D, @Veteran Aryan, @International Jew

    Relevant to that: A WSJ op-ed that takes no prisoners. What was last week’s evil conspiracy theory is this week’s angry editorial. (Incidentally I’m sort of agnostic about the whole business.)

    Are Vaccines Fueling New Covid Variants?
    The virus appears to be evolving in ways that evade immunity…

    Notably, workers who had received more doses were at higher risk of getting sick. Those who received three more doses were 3.4 times as likely to get infected as the unvaccinated, while those who received two were only 2.6 times as likely.
    https://archive.ph/Y3kCX

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
  26. Previous comment (with no links) marked as spam. What’s going on around here?

    Are Vaccines Fueling New Covid Variants?
    The virus appears to be evolving in ways that evade immunity…

    Notably, workers who had received more doses were at higher risk of getting sick. Those who received three more doses were 3.4 times as likely to get infected as the unvaccinated, while those who received two were only 2.6 times as likely…

    It might not be a coincidence that XBB surged this fall in Singapore, which has among the highest vaccination and booster rates in the world. Over the past several weeks a XBB strain has become predominant in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts, making up about three-quarters of virus samples that have been genetically sequenced. The variant has been slower to take off in other regions, making up only 6% of the Midwest and about 20% in the South. The Northeast is also the most vaccinated and boosted region in the country.

    https://archive.ph/Y3kCX

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @HammerJack

    Marek's Disease all over again.

    If only someone had foreseen this...

    smdh

  27. @Hypnotoad666
    OT: Tonight a player on the 100% vaccinated Buffalo Bill's suffered a heart attack after a routine tackle and either died suddenly or is fighting for his life. https://youtu.be/fbAIR9faV3o

    But the really important thing is that we don't allow people to exploit this event to cast doubt on the safety and effectiveness of the vaxx. If Hamlin hadn't been vaccinated his eventual case of covid could have been slightly worse. So let's keep things in perspective.

    Replies: @Kim, @HammerJack, @R.G. Camara, @TWS, @Jack D, @Veteran Aryan, @International Jew

    RIP, but he was ranting about people who didn’t get vaccinated as being evil and causing the pandemic to continue.

  28. @PhysicistDave
    @JohnnyWalker123

    JohnnyWalker123 asked:


    It’s unfortunate to see how easy it is to bribe leading authority figures in the USA. I wonder why bribery and corruption are so pervasive at the top. Is it because American society has become so comically greedy that the mentality is to make money at any cost? Is it because the competition for elite jobs is so extreme that typically only the unscrupulous get to the top?
     
    Both of those.

    But the biggest reason is even more obvious: if the government has an enormous amount of power, enough power to easily make or break your business, then you have a fiduciary obligation to influence the government by any means necessary to protect your stockholders.

    Or in simpler language:

    Big government is inevitably corrupt government.

    Because it is really worth bribing big government.

    Replies: @Dr. DoomNGloom, @Achmed E. Newman

    Big government is inevitably corrupt government.
    Because it is really worth bribing big government.

    True and concise.
    But I think the problem you describe is not only real, but also deeper than bribing government. When survival is at stake, nothing is off the table.

    Therefore, when government wields great power over your life or business, this leads to widespread corruption because the cost of failure is existential . The corruption includes not only government, but politics, and social norms.

    As we have seen, it’s not just bribing the government, but bribing, corrupting, or perverting every conceivable institution and brainwashing every possible person. Republican government doesn’t require Marquis of Queensbury rules, but there need to be some norms and limits on how the battles are fought.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Dr. DoomNGloom

    Dr. DoomNGloom wrote to me:


    Therefore, when government wields great power over your life or business, this leads to widespread corruption because the cost of failure is existential . The corruption includes not only government, but politics, and social norms.
     
    Yeah.

    A broader issue that I have been thinking about is that we have created a largely "zero-sum" society in which people's goals -- especially the goals of upper-middle-class young people -- is to make it into a fixed number of positions.

    Bright, ambitious kids have to shape their high-school experience to give them a shot at getting into one of the HYPS or at least one of the "public Ivies." We have a fixed number of slots in law or med schools. And not everyone can become a DIE officer or a green consultant, or whatever.

    It didn't use to be this way. My great-grandmother, whom I knew quite well, was born on a farm. If you worked hard, and had good luck with the weather and with pests, you would have a good harvest. If your neighbor also had a good harvest, this did not diminish your harvest.

    And being a skilled, manipulative bullshitter improved your harvest not a whit.

    It's not like that anymore.

    Of course, there are still people who deal with physical reality: farmers, truck drivers, airplane mechanics, engineers, etc.

    But, with the exception of some medical specialties, those are not the prestige occupations.

    Those are the "Dirt People."

    Middle-class people aspire to their kids becoming "Cloud People," people who make a living by using words to control and manipulate other people, guys like our friends Jack D., Corvinus, HA, et al.

    And you become one of the successful "Cloud People" by showing your ability to play politics and manipulate other people, and, more often then not, by outright lying and cheating and engaging in illegal behavior (all of this is more common even among physicians than most people realize).

    This ultimately goes back to governmental policies that create these positions or artificially limit access to these positions.

    We have willfully created a situation in which the dominant class of our population is a "parasitic verbalist overvlass" that despises the ordinary people who make our material lives possible.

    And all this horrifically warps people's character and their lives, especially for young people.

    It is no wonder that so many young people are engaging in self-harm, such as "cutting."

    This cannot go on forever.

    And what cannot go on forever, won't.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  29. Can’t find the article, but read that two liter sodas were used as currency in depressed parts of Kentucky and West Virginia. Get them with food stamps, trade for cigarettes, meth, prostitutes.

    I keep thinking packaged beef jerky would make a more convenient specie, but they must have their reasons.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Elli

    It was Kevin Williamson at NRO describing a trip through Appalachia.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Elli

    Soda = Appalachian reserve currency

    Big Meat signs treaty with meth cartel to trade only in jerky, thereby unseating Big Soda from its exorbitant privilege

    , @JR Ewing
    @Elli


    Can’t find the article, but read that two liter sodas were used as currency in depressed parts of Kentucky and West Virginia.
     
    This is a great story. Entirely hearsay on my part, but I'm pretty sure it can be verified with some internet searching. I'm too lazy to go look for references.

    Nonetheless...

    It used to be twelve packs and cases of soda that were used to launder food stamps into pseudo-currency, presumably because they keep forever and are rectangular and modular and easy to stack and store. Kevin D Williamson wrote a very good piece about this ~10-15 (or more) years ago as part of a larger investigation into poor Appalachian whites.

    So, as the word got out, some government genius somewhere declared that something must be done, so they put pressure on the soda companies to reduce the number of cans being sold and to switch over to bottles.

    The effect of which was that a black market then developed for the molded plastic pallets and crates that hold 2 liter bottles and allow those to be easily stacked and carried.

    One of the most "government-y" stories ever, and totally believable, imo.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Elli


    ... two liter sodas were used as currency in depressed parts of Kentucky and West Virginia. Get them with food stamps, trade for cigarettes, meth, prostitutes.
     
    Perhaps that can be explained quite simply by Reactionary's comment above.
  30. Sugar is one of the worst good ideas people ever had. We love sweets because they are so rich in calories and rare in nature. But cultivating cane in the West Indies essentially began the African slave trade in the western hemisphere, with all the residual ill effects we suffer to this day. Not the least of which was Parliament’s Sugar Act of 1764, which first caused wealthy men further north to agitate for abandoning their loyalty to king and country. Now the stuff is so cheap it’s used as filler in most processed foods, its excessive use a large factor in our present epidemic rates of obesity, heart disease, and diabetes. Its effects on our physical health are now as unfortunate as its earlier moral and political consequences.

    • Agree: Ben tillman, HammerJack
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Observator


    But cultivating cane in the West Indies essentially began the African slave trade in the western hemisphere, with all the residual ill effects we suffer to this day.
     
    Very true, and also pertinent is that the destructive effects are actually getting worse in recent years.

    In 1960, I believe, there was good reason for hope. Not so much now, unless of course you like the idea of whites being enslaved and/or exterminated.

    Many of us here recognize that this deterioration is essentially deliberate policy from TPTB. What a time to be alive.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Observator

    not to mention sugar is the cause of the majority of all dental issues.

    , @Jack D
    @Observator

    In the 19th century, Abolitionists used to advocate for maple sugar because it was made without slave labor, but it was never cost competitive vs. cane sugar.

    Slavery is no longer a factor but the US is not cost competitive in sugar production. If we had stayed just with cane sugar, eventually the trade barriers would have been lowered and we would have come to rely on imported sugar. Overseas industries don't have political clout and restricting sugar imports would have been a political winner.

    However, modern chemists figured out a way to convert the starch in corn to a form of sugar ("high fructose corn syrup") which is particularly well suited for use in soft drinks because it is already in liquid form. The corn that we consume is 100% US grown. The US is a world leader in corn production and bring corn to America is like coals to Newcastle. The sugar lobby is nothing compared to the corn lobby.

    , @tyrone
    @Observator


    Now the stuff is so cheap it’s used as filler in most processed foods,
     
    .....and high fructose corn syrup is even worse (and cheaper)......better read labels, it's in everything ........one could get the feeling someone want's us sick and dieing.
  31. Sugar? You mean high fructose corn syrup.

    • Agree: Peterike
  32. @HammerJack
    Previous comment (with no links) marked as spam. What's going on around here?


    Are Vaccines Fueling New Covid Variants?
    The virus appears to be evolving in ways that evade immunity...

    Notably, workers who had received more doses were at higher risk of getting sick. Those who received three more doses were 3.4 times as likely to get infected as the unvaccinated, while those who received two were only 2.6 times as likely...

    It might not be a coincidence that XBB surged this fall in Singapore, which has among the highest vaccination and booster rates in the world. Over the past several weeks a XBB strain has become predominant in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts, making up about three-quarters of virus samples that have been genetically sequenced. The variant has been slower to take off in other regions, making up only 6% of the Midwest and about 20% in the South. The Northeast is also the most vaccinated and boosted region in the country.


    https://archive.ph/Y3kCX

     

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Marek’s Disease all over again.

    If only someone had foreseen this…

    smdh

  33. @Elli
    Can't find the article, but read that two liter sodas were used as currency in depressed parts of Kentucky and West Virginia. Get them with food stamps, trade for cigarettes, meth, prostitutes.

    I keep thinking packaged beef jerky would make a more convenient specie, but they must have their reasons.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Almost Missouri, @JR Ewing, @Achmed E. Newman

    It was Kevin Williamson at NRO describing a trip through Appalachia.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Jim Don Bob

    If it was Kevin Williamson writing about "bad whites", then you can be pretty sure i'ts a lie.

    I recall his description of a Trump rally in 2016: It was nothing like the Trump rally I went to. He described a bunch of gap-tooth hillbilly racists. All I saw was nice middle-class whites, most probably college educated, like myself. The anti-Trump protestors were shaggy noisy scum. No word from Williamson about them.

    After that, I began to notice all kinds of whoppers in his writings. Fraud. Phony. Bum.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  34. It’s actually refreshing to hear that, behind the scenes, no one really believes this woke b.s. and its all a cover story for shakedowns and political pressure.

    If the story is true, of course.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @R.G. Camara


    It’s actually refreshing to hear that, behind the scenes, no one really believes this woke b.s.
     
    I have a very close friend from college - white guy from the south, way more than 2.1 kids, Trump voter, married to the same woman f0r more than 20 years now - who went to work at a series of startups that kept getting acquired until he finally ended up employed at one of the MAJOR tech companies. He has never struck me as someone who would have lasted long there, especially considering the amount of money he has made along the way, but he is a senior manager there and fairly high up at this point.

    We were talking recently and he was telling me a similar story, that a very large portion of the rank and file workers at his tech company don't believe in the woke BS at all and just endure it and find ways to avoid it as much as possible. He said it even goes so far that during the mandatory struggle sessions "sensitivity training", all of his coworkers only pretend to participate when the Angry Black Lady is watching them and the rest of the time they are laughing about it and talking about other topics.

    I really do think our culture is controlled by a tiny minority of ideological people who have power because more normal people are too polite or scared of losing their jobs to tell them to shut up.

    I'm not sure if my friend is in the first group or the latter, or maybe it's both.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Corn

  35. @Elli
    Can't find the article, but read that two liter sodas were used as currency in depressed parts of Kentucky and West Virginia. Get them with food stamps, trade for cigarettes, meth, prostitutes.

    I keep thinking packaged beef jerky would make a more convenient specie, but they must have their reasons.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Almost Missouri, @JR Ewing, @Achmed E. Newman

    Soda = Appalachian reserve currency

    Big Meat signs treaty with meth cartel to trade only in jerky, thereby unseating Big Soda from its exorbitant privilege

  36. @Elli
    Can't find the article, but read that two liter sodas were used as currency in depressed parts of Kentucky and West Virginia. Get them with food stamps, trade for cigarettes, meth, prostitutes.

    I keep thinking packaged beef jerky would make a more convenient specie, but they must have their reasons.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Almost Missouri, @JR Ewing, @Achmed E. Newman

    Can’t find the article, but read that two liter sodas were used as currency in depressed parts of Kentucky and West Virginia.

    This is a great story. Entirely hearsay on my part, but I’m pretty sure it can be verified with some internet searching. I’m too lazy to go look for references.

    Nonetheless…

    It used to be twelve packs and cases of soda that were used to launder food stamps into pseudo-currency, presumably because they keep forever and are rectangular and modular and easy to stack and store. Kevin D Williamson wrote a very good piece about this ~10-15 (or more) years ago as part of a larger investigation into poor Appalachian whites.

    So, as the word got out, some government genius somewhere declared that something must be done, so they put pressure on the soda companies to reduce the number of cans being sold and to switch over to bottles.

    The effect of which was that a black market then developed for the molded plastic pallets and crates that hold 2 liter bottles and allow those to be easily stacked and carried.

    One of the most “government-y” stories ever, and totally believable, imo.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @JR Ewing

    Local government here decided giving away free milk to the "homeless" was a good idea. The bums poured out the milk in the parking lot to redeem the bottles for cash.

    My friend ran the local dairy, When the supermarket called in a panic "They're dumping the milk in the parking lot!", he replied "My God! I'll send some more over, RIGHT AWAY!"

    Replies: @Known Fact

  37. @reactionry
    PepsiCo's Mountain Dew might be the GOAT, but one of its ads was said to have been the most racist of all time:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFRWf-CNC8

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Ben tillman

    It looks like something Key and Peele would do.

  38. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    “We (Coke) will give you money. You need to paint opponents of us as racist.”

    Well, did Coke's plan work? Let's have a list of Coke's opponents who are considered racist. Pepsi? Big Milk (the dairy industry)? RC Cola? Fanta?

    Replies: @Larry, San Francisco, @Peter Akuleyev, @Ben Kurtz

    Coke was mostly targeting health and wellness professionals, nutritionists and doctors who were trying to get the government to reduce consumption of sugary sodas. Most of those professionals were naturally white liberals, for whom accusations of “racism” are like a body blow.

  39. @New Dealer
    Off-topic.


    Elimination of Harmful Language #1

    The Supreme Court in 1942 unanimously agreed on an exception to otherwise widely protected free speech. It’s quite odd that almost no one today knows what epithet was shouted that led the Court to declare that exceptions to free speech include,

    “fighting” words — those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality. “Resort to epithets or personal abuse is not in any proper sense communication of information or opinion safeguarded by the Constitution, and its punishment as a criminal act would raise no question under that instrument.”
     
    What did Chaplinsky shout that the Supreme Court deemed unprotected speech? I urge you to look below the fold:

    “You are a God damned racketeer [and] a damned Fascist and the whole government of Rochester are Fascists or agents of Fascists!
     
    That’s right, abusing someone by falsely calling them a fascist (or, presumably, a Nazi, or, probably, a racist) is fighting words not protected by the First Amendment.

    If I could afford it I’d offer a $100,000 prize to anyone who can find in recent years among the numerous pro-censorship groups (DNC, DHS, FBI, CIA, Atlantic Council, NGOs, Broken Society Foundation, other woke foundations, international organizations, university disinformation oracles, MSM editorialists, DIE commissars, libel leagues, direct-mail enrichment centers, grievance coalitions) a single expression of concern about the millions of individuals falsely accused in social media and other public settings of being a fascist or Nazi.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlLpciGaUAEEJ0M?format=jpg&name=medium

    Ugly video of U. North Texas Antifa, lily-white and black-clad, using blackshirt methods to shut down a political speech:
    https://youtu.be/HWF4RFdfQwM


    (The precise boundaries of the exception are unresolved. Exhaustive nuance can be found here: https://www.freedomforuminstitute.org/first-amendment-center/topics/freedom-of-speech-2/personal-public-expression-overview/fighting-words/)

    (The f-word and the extremism industry - https://www.firstthings.com/article/2022/12/the-f-word )

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    Fighting words are spoken words, not written.

    • Replies: @New Dealer
    @Ben tillman

    Ben tillman wrote:


    Fighting words are spoken, not written.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words

    Fighting words are written or spoken words intended to incite hatred or violence from their target.
     
    https://freespeech.fandom.com/wiki/Fighting_words

    Fighting words are written or spoken words, generally expressed to incite hatred or violence and to place the targets of the words in danger of harm.
     
    etc.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ben tillman

  40. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://www.businessinsider.com/naacp-joins-soda-ban-lawsuit-2013-1

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/nyregion/fight-over-bloombergs-soda-ban-reaches-courtroom.html

    Check out the above links.

    "Civil Rights" groups are increasingly becoming grift operations.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Barnard, @Ben Kurtz

    “Civil Rights” groups are increasingly becoming grift operations.

    Jesse Jackson’s outfit was exposed as a shakedown operation nearly 40 years ago.

    As for the NAACP, Bruce Gordon during his time as director attempted to re-orient its efforts in the direction of social work and was slapped down by the board. He figured that he, as an accomplished business executive (retired) shouldn’t have to take orders from a no-account like Julian Bond and resigned. After Mr. Gordon heads off into the sunset, the board announces its top priority will be a ‘federal hate crimes bill’.

    I can think of two black politicians who made a positive difference where they were at work: Anthony Williams and Robert Bowser. Williams has not been a particularly honored figure in the black population and Bowser ended up being voted out of office.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Art Deco

    Didn’t the good Reverend Jackson get a Budweiser distributorship for one of his kids?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @Arclight
    @Art Deco

    I wouldn't even agree with the "increasingly" in the quote - they ARE grift operations and that is the entire point of their existence for at least the last 50 years. Add to that a huge share of black churches (yes, I know there are white religious hucksters too) but every major city has a least a handful of black preacher who are known for their flashy dress and cars while preaching to poor congregations. Jesse Jackson got his son control of distribution of Budweiser outside of Chicago as just one example of graft where black 'leaders' get rich off of poisoning the people they claim to care about most.

    Anyway Tony Williams was never totally trusted because he was a light skinned, from California, Ivy League-educated and sounded whiter in normal speech than I do. He maintained but did not expand the vast city workforce that Marion Barry created and welcomed development/gentrification. His successor, a mixed race DC native tried to keep economic development going while bringing in Michelle Rhee to reform the city's awful public schools and that was his undoing (aside from being an enthusiast in the extremely white sport of cycling) - no matter that a huge share of DC public school teachers lived in Maryland, the fact that he brought in an Asian who promised to fire a bunch of black ladies became a racial mess and that was that.

    The thing that was driven home time and time again living in a black DC neighborhood is that they will put up with massive levels of violence, featherbedding, disorder, and corruption so long as it's their own people doing it. This is why every city or organization that becomes controlled by the black political machine is absolutely doomed.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

  41. @Observator
    Sugar is one of the worst good ideas people ever had. We love sweets because they are so rich in calories and rare in nature. But cultivating cane in the West Indies essentially began the African slave trade in the western hemisphere, with all the residual ill effects we suffer to this day. Not the least of which was Parliament’s Sugar Act of 1764, which first caused wealthy men further north to agitate for abandoning their loyalty to king and country. Now the stuff is so cheap it’s used as filler in most processed foods, its excessive use a large factor in our present epidemic rates of obesity, heart disease, and diabetes. Its effects on our physical health are now as unfortunate as its earlier moral and political consequences.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Mike Tre, @Jack D, @tyrone

    But cultivating cane in the West Indies essentially began the African slave trade in the western hemisphere, with all the residual ill effects we suffer to this day.

    Very true, and also pertinent is that the destructive effects are actually getting worse in recent years.

    In 1960, I believe, there was good reason for hope. Not so much now, unless of course you like the idea of whites being enslaved and/or exterminated.

    Many of us here recognize that this deterioration is essentially deliberate policy from TPTB. What a time to be alive.

  42. @reactionry
    @Reg Cæsar

    "strivers"

    Reg Caesar might have been relieved to learn that in spite of the apparent striving of Deborah Anderson of the Harvard School of Medicine for an "Ig Nobel" Prize in Chemistry in the 1980s, evidence is lacking for contraceptive efficacy of Coca Cola Douches.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14864-coca-cola-douches-scoop-ig-nobel-prize/

    A vinyl of the below is lurking around here somewhere. Clicking on Play is not advised.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YJmUZXGxD0

    Also see: Coca Cola, obesity, Fatty Arbuckle

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Achmed E. Newman

    NatLamp’s 1964 High School Yearbook suggests that “Buckeye Cola” will do the trick.

  43. @Art Deco
    @JohnnyWalker123

    “Civil Rights” groups are increasingly becoming grift operations.

    Jesse Jackson's outfit was exposed as a shakedown operation nearly 40 years ago.

    As for the NAACP, Bruce Gordon during his time as director attempted to re-orient its efforts in the direction of social work and was slapped down by the board. He figured that he, as an accomplished business executive (retired) shouldn't have to take orders from a no-account like Julian Bond and resigned. After Mr. Gordon heads off into the sunset, the board announces its top priority will be a 'federal hate crimes bill'.

    I can think of two black politicians who made a positive difference where they were at work: Anthony Williams and Robert Bowser. Williams has not been a particularly honored figure in the black population and Bowser ended up being voted out of office.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Arclight

    Didn’t the good Reverend Jackson get a Budweiser distributorship for one of his kids?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Ganderson


    Didn’t the good Reverend Jackson get a Budweiser distributorship for one of his kids?
     
    Yes. JJ Jr. who was a congressman for a while until he got busted for some fairly brazen corruption and is/was doing some federal time.

    Too stupid to realize that a Bud distributorship is a license to print money and all he needed was a white guy to run it. Dad had some fake charity (Operation Push, IIRC) that got lots of federal grants to help the brothers blah blah blah.

    My favorite piece of hypocrisy from JJ was him "preaching" with BJC at the height of the Monica mess. Soon thereafter it was revealed that JJ had a love child.
  44. @Art Deco
    @JohnnyWalker123

    “Civil Rights” groups are increasingly becoming grift operations.

    Jesse Jackson's outfit was exposed as a shakedown operation nearly 40 years ago.

    As for the NAACP, Bruce Gordon during his time as director attempted to re-orient its efforts in the direction of social work and was slapped down by the board. He figured that he, as an accomplished business executive (retired) shouldn't have to take orders from a no-account like Julian Bond and resigned. After Mr. Gordon heads off into the sunset, the board announces its top priority will be a 'federal hate crimes bill'.

    I can think of two black politicians who made a positive difference where they were at work: Anthony Williams and Robert Bowser. Williams has not been a particularly honored figure in the black population and Bowser ended up being voted out of office.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Arclight

    I wouldn’t even agree with the “increasingly” in the quote – they ARE grift operations and that is the entire point of their existence for at least the last 50 years. Add to that a huge share of black churches (yes, I know there are white religious hucksters too) but every major city has a least a handful of black preacher who are known for their flashy dress and cars while preaching to poor congregations. Jesse Jackson got his son control of distribution of Budweiser outside of Chicago as just one example of graft where black ‘leaders’ get rich off of poisoning the people they claim to care about most.

    Anyway Tony Williams was never totally trusted because he was a light skinned, from California, Ivy League-educated and sounded whiter in normal speech than I do. He maintained but did not expand the vast city workforce that Marion Barry created and welcomed development/gentrification. His successor, a mixed race DC native tried to keep economic development going while bringing in Michelle Rhee to reform the city’s awful public schools and that was his undoing (aside from being an enthusiast in the extremely white sport of cycling) – no matter that a huge share of DC public school teachers lived in Maryland, the fact that he brought in an Asian who promised to fire a bunch of black ladies became a racial mess and that was that.

    The thing that was driven home time and time again living in a black DC neighborhood is that they will put up with massive levels of violence, featherbedding, disorder, and corruption so long as it’s their own people doing it. This is why every city or organization that becomes controlled by the black political machine is absolutely doomed.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Arclight

    Michelle Rhee-I remember her. She was useless-and, as you mention, was frozen out of the loop since negroes won't listen to any non-negro who dares to criticize them.

    Funny, she wound up hanging off the schlong of that black NBA player turned scandal-prone mayor (of Sacramento), Kevin Johnson.

    Replies: @Arclight

  45. • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Known Fact

    The new plastic bottle is nearly four feet tall, and weighs 274 pounds when filled with Coke. In development tests, it took an average of three men to lift the new bottle. The product will fit in an average refrigerator, but only when all other products and shelving have been removed.

    Thanks for the laugh, man.

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @Known Fact

    Not only is The Onion no longer funny, their writers are no longer numerate.

    30 litres of what is mainly water weighs 30 kilograms, which works out to 66 pounds. This is an amount an able-bodied male should be able to lift, maybe at the risk of injuring their back trying reach forward to place it on a refrigerator shelf.

    30 litres is a bit under 8 gallons, which works out to a bit more than a cubic foot. A refrigerator with 18 cubic foot capacity (I looked up a model at Best Buy but don't see the breakdown with the freezer compartment) is not unusual. A 30 litre bottle of soda would easily fit in the fridge, but you may need to move a shelf depending on how tall the bottle, and placing a 66 pound load should go where it doesn't overload a shelf.

    That said, it doesn't weigh anything close to the 274 lbs mentioned in the article.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666

  46. OT – Nothing to see here:

    Monday Night Football Postponed After Bills’ Hamlin Collapses, Receives CPR On Field

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/monday-night-football-postponed-after-bills-hamlin-collapses-receives-cpr-field

    Happens all the time.

    You’d have to go back to 1971 for an NFL player who had a heart attack on the field:

    https://richmond.com/sports/professional/5-other-on-field-medical-emergencies-in-nfl-history/article_8982154f-4053-53ec-bfe9-615b3e90f2e7.html

    Monday Night Football ……………………………… brought to you by Pfizer

    https://endpts.com/pfizer-sacks-pharma-competition-in-early-nfl-tv-advertising-season/

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Mr. Anon

    Tbh, I was at first more concerned that they stopped the actual game just 'cause the guy had to be rushed to the hospital. I then thought, nah, it's not my NFL anymore, they have can their concern-frown shit-show for all I care.

  47. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://www.businessinsider.com/naacp-joins-soda-ban-lawsuit-2013-1

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/nyregion/fight-over-bloombergs-soda-ban-reaches-courtroom.html

    Check out the above links.

    "Civil Rights" groups are increasingly becoming grift operations.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Barnard, @Ben Kurtz

    Civil Rights groups have been shakedown and grift operations since their inception. The problems they are having is that this has become more obvious and the rhetoric is having to get more ridiculous to keep the grift going. Convincing blacks to embrace eternal victimhood is the only thing keeping them going.

    • Agree: Rich
  48. Whatever the (mostly negative) merits of the two products, soft drinks have managed to avoid the fate of cigarettes, which were yanked with shocking speed from TV and other media in the early 70s after that one Surgeon General’s Report led to an uproar. Big Cola may have decided right then that that’s not gonna happen to us.

    Not just the ads, but up until that point many TV characters smoked regularly (except on Star Trek, of course). Then all of a sudden Phelps would no longer light up as he selected that week’s Impossible Missions Force, and Mannix actually tells Peggy he’s trying to quit. It was amazing how the media distanced themselves from one of their biggest revenue streams

  49. @R.G. Camara
    It's actually refreshing to hear that, behind the scenes, no one really believes this woke b.s. and its all a cover story for shakedowns and political pressure.

    If the story is true, of course.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    It’s actually refreshing to hear that, behind the scenes, no one really believes this woke b.s.

    I have a very close friend from college – white guy from the south, way more than 2.1 kids, Trump voter, married to the same woman f0r more than 20 years now – who went to work at a series of startups that kept getting acquired until he finally ended up employed at one of the MAJOR tech companies. He has never struck me as someone who would have lasted long there, especially considering the amount of money he has made along the way, but he is a senior manager there and fairly high up at this point.

    We were talking recently and he was telling me a similar story, that a very large portion of the rank and file workers at his tech company don’t believe in the woke BS at all and just endure it and find ways to avoid it as much as possible. He said it even goes so far that during the mandatory struggle sessions “sensitivity training”, all of his coworkers only pretend to participate when the Angry Black Lady is watching them and the rest of the time they are laughing about it and talking about other topics.

    I really do think our culture is controlled by a tiny minority of ideological people who have power because more normal people are too polite or scared of losing their jobs to tell them to shut up.

    I’m not sure if my friend is in the first group or the latter, or maybe it’s both.

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @JR Ewing

    Your buddy is an asshole and not your friend. He tells you what you need to hear and tells them what they need to hear.

    He's rich and powerful enough to speak out and stop this, or at least leave under protest, but he dutifully nods his head, repeats the Marxist nonsense, and collects his check.

    Cowards like your friend are exactly how we got here.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    , @Corn
    @JR Ewing

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_paradox

    Sounds like the majority at your friend’s company is indifferent or opposed to the woke stuff but don’t want to rock the boat.

    Unfortunately, a passionate minority will beat a majority that just wants to be left alone.

  50. @Observator
    Sugar is one of the worst good ideas people ever had. We love sweets because they are so rich in calories and rare in nature. But cultivating cane in the West Indies essentially began the African slave trade in the western hemisphere, with all the residual ill effects we suffer to this day. Not the least of which was Parliament’s Sugar Act of 1764, which first caused wealthy men further north to agitate for abandoning their loyalty to king and country. Now the stuff is so cheap it’s used as filler in most processed foods, its excessive use a large factor in our present epidemic rates of obesity, heart disease, and diabetes. Its effects on our physical health are now as unfortunate as its earlier moral and political consequences.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Mike Tre, @Jack D, @tyrone

    not to mention sugar is the cause of the majority of all dental issues.

  51. @Jim Don Bob
    @Elli

    It was Kevin Williamson at NRO describing a trip through Appalachia.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    If it was Kevin Williamson writing about “bad whites”, then you can be pretty sure i’ts a lie.

    I recall his description of a Trump rally in 2016: It was nothing like the Trump rally I went to. He described a bunch of gap-tooth hillbilly racists. All I saw was nice middle-class whites, most probably college educated, like myself. The anti-Trump protestors were shaggy noisy scum. No word from Williamson about them.

    After that, I began to notice all kinds of whoppers in his writings. Fraud. Phony. Bum.

    • Agree: David In TN, HammerJack
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Old Prude

    Here is KW's story from 2013.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/12/white-ghetto-kevin-d-williamson/

    Replies: @Old Prude

  52. @JohnnyWalker123
    This guy is telling the truth. I actually remember hearing about this back around a decade ago.

    https://twitter.com/calleymeans/status/1609929033399283712

    It's unfortunate to see how easy it is to bribe leading authority figures in the USA. I wonder why bribery and corruption are so pervasive at the top. Is it because American society has become so comically greedy that the mentality is to make money at any cost? Is it because the competition for elite jobs is so extreme that typically only the unscrupulous get to the top? Is it because individuals from relatively less ethical groups (Jews, Blacks, Asians, Indians, Muslims, Eastern Euros, Cubans, Armenians, Ellis Islanders, etc.) are well-represented in elite occupations?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @PhysicistDave, @Jack D

    soda is one of the cheapest ways to get calories

    This actually has some resonance in 3rd world countries – if you look at a place like India, people who are poor tend to be very scrawny and if they could afford to drink a 6 oz. bottle of soda every day it might help them to be less underweight (btw 6 fluid oz. was the volume of the traditional bottle of Coke).

    But in America it’s ridiculous. However it goes with the whole crazy “hunger in America” nonsense. If you visit the ghettoes of America there are a lot of problems but lack of calories isn’t one of them. There is a huge government and non-profit structure that is pushing MORE food into American ghettos but hardly anyone that is invested in people consuming LESS food.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Jack D


    But in America it’s ridiculous. However it goes with the whole crazy “hunger in America” nonsense.
     
    I would almost argue that in this era of EBT cards hunger in America is mostly confined to children neglected by abusive parents and perhaps the homeless. Yet judging by Reddit and liberal Twitter, hunger—ahem, food insecurity is rife in America.

    Do these people ever look at their fellow citizens?
  53. @JR Ewing
    @Elli


    Can’t find the article, but read that two liter sodas were used as currency in depressed parts of Kentucky and West Virginia.
     
    This is a great story. Entirely hearsay on my part, but I'm pretty sure it can be verified with some internet searching. I'm too lazy to go look for references.

    Nonetheless...

    It used to be twelve packs and cases of soda that were used to launder food stamps into pseudo-currency, presumably because they keep forever and are rectangular and modular and easy to stack and store. Kevin D Williamson wrote a very good piece about this ~10-15 (or more) years ago as part of a larger investigation into poor Appalachian whites.

    So, as the word got out, some government genius somewhere declared that something must be done, so they put pressure on the soda companies to reduce the number of cans being sold and to switch over to bottles.

    The effect of which was that a black market then developed for the molded plastic pallets and crates that hold 2 liter bottles and allow those to be easily stacked and carried.

    One of the most "government-y" stories ever, and totally believable, imo.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    Local government here decided giving away free milk to the “homeless” was a good idea. The bums poured out the milk in the parking lot to redeem the bottles for cash.

    My friend ran the local dairy, When the supermarket called in a panic “They’re dumping the milk in the parking lot!”, he replied “My God! I’ll send some more over, RIGHT AWAY!”

    • LOL: JR Ewing, HammerJack
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Old Prude

    I walked past a NY methadone clinic once when that was being doled out as "treatment" for junkies. A dozen of them were out on the street, offering to sell their dose to raise money -- for real drugs, I'd guess.

  54. @Observator
    Sugar is one of the worst good ideas people ever had. We love sweets because they are so rich in calories and rare in nature. But cultivating cane in the West Indies essentially began the African slave trade in the western hemisphere, with all the residual ill effects we suffer to this day. Not the least of which was Parliament’s Sugar Act of 1764, which first caused wealthy men further north to agitate for abandoning their loyalty to king and country. Now the stuff is so cheap it’s used as filler in most processed foods, its excessive use a large factor in our present epidemic rates of obesity, heart disease, and diabetes. Its effects on our physical health are now as unfortunate as its earlier moral and political consequences.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Mike Tre, @Jack D, @tyrone

    In the 19th century, Abolitionists used to advocate for maple sugar because it was made without slave labor, but it was never cost competitive vs. cane sugar.

    Slavery is no longer a factor but the US is not cost competitive in sugar production. If we had stayed just with cane sugar, eventually the trade barriers would have been lowered and we would have come to rely on imported sugar. Overseas industries don’t have political clout and restricting sugar imports would have been a political winner.

    However, modern chemists figured out a way to convert the starch in corn to a form of sugar (“high fructose corn syrup”) which is particularly well suited for use in soft drinks because it is already in liquid form. The corn that we consume is 100% US grown. The US is a world leader in corn production and bring corn to America is like coals to Newcastle. The sugar lobby is nothing compared to the corn lobby.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
  55. @Hypnotoad666
    OT: Tonight a player on the 100% vaccinated Buffalo Bill's suffered a heart attack after a routine tackle and either died suddenly or is fighting for his life. https://youtu.be/fbAIR9faV3o

    But the really important thing is that we don't allow people to exploit this event to cast doubt on the safety and effectiveness of the vaxx. If Hamlin hadn't been vaccinated his eventual case of covid could have been slightly worse. So let's keep things in perspective.

    Replies: @Kim, @HammerJack, @R.G. Camara, @TWS, @Jack D, @Veteran Aryan, @International Jew

    We’ll see more of suddenly but you know it’s normal. Beneficial even and it’s caused by electrical impulses getting crossed not clots.

    In fact, climate change causes a whole host of problems including heart, birth defects and miscarriage.

    Definitely not the clot shot.

    • LOL: Peterike
  56. @Arclight
    @Art Deco

    I wouldn't even agree with the "increasingly" in the quote - they ARE grift operations and that is the entire point of their existence for at least the last 50 years. Add to that a huge share of black churches (yes, I know there are white religious hucksters too) but every major city has a least a handful of black preacher who are known for their flashy dress and cars while preaching to poor congregations. Jesse Jackson got his son control of distribution of Budweiser outside of Chicago as just one example of graft where black 'leaders' get rich off of poisoning the people they claim to care about most.

    Anyway Tony Williams was never totally trusted because he was a light skinned, from California, Ivy League-educated and sounded whiter in normal speech than I do. He maintained but did not expand the vast city workforce that Marion Barry created and welcomed development/gentrification. His successor, a mixed race DC native tried to keep economic development going while bringing in Michelle Rhee to reform the city's awful public schools and that was his undoing (aside from being an enthusiast in the extremely white sport of cycling) - no matter that a huge share of DC public school teachers lived in Maryland, the fact that he brought in an Asian who promised to fire a bunch of black ladies became a racial mess and that was that.

    The thing that was driven home time and time again living in a black DC neighborhood is that they will put up with massive levels of violence, featherbedding, disorder, and corruption so long as it's their own people doing it. This is why every city or organization that becomes controlled by the black political machine is absolutely doomed.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Michelle Rhee-I remember her. She was useless-and, as you mention, was frozen out of the loop since negroes won’t listen to any non-negro who dares to criticize them.

    Funny, she wound up hanging off the schlong of that black NBA player turned scandal-prone mayor (of Sacramento), Kevin Johnson.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @AceDeuce

    While I appreciated her hatred of teachers unions and mediocrity, she was a bad fit from a personality and approach standpoint. The problem with cities like DC is that the point of the government is to provide loads of make-work jobs, which is a mechanism to redistribute wealth away from the white minority to the black majority. The idea that public employees have a duty to actually accomplish things and should be held accountable to the stated goals of their departments is totally alien.

    In contrast, Rhee was all about accountability and bluntly stated that a huge share of the school system's employees were incompetents that needed to be fired. Threatening the easy livelihoods of thousands of blacks in a black-dominated city was intolerable and absolutely doomed to failure because many would never find employment again and also would be replaced by people of a different racial background.

    Ironically, a lot of this fear of a Great Replacement was totally accurate with the black share of the population being nearly cut in half over the last 50 years. Unlike white concerns about demographic change and loss of political clout this is treated as an awful tragedy and efforts have been made to ameliorate it.

    Replies: @PeterIke

  57. Def Leppard definitely racist, but an early pioneer in not being ableist. One handed drummers of the world unite.

  58. The conversations inside these rooms was depressingly transactional:

    “We (Coke) will give you money. You need to paint opponents of us as racist.”

    This is supposed to be “news” in 2023?

    The sort of news as in “the sun continues to rise in the East”?

  59. @neutral
    So did they actually do this, did they push the propaganda that being anti sugary drinks was racist?

    Replies: @Gordo

    So did they actually do this, did they push the propaganda that being anti sugary drinks was racist?

    I’m guessing they used disparate impact, like more blacks like menthol cigarettes so banning them is rayceeest.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Gordo

    You have this backwards. BECAUSE blacks like menthol cigarettes and cigarettes kill people. menthol cigarettes MUST be banned because they especially kill black people. If white people especially liked menthol cigarettes, then there would be no reason to ban them.

    https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2022/fda-proposes-rule-prohibiting-menthol-cigarettes

  60. @Observator
    Sugar is one of the worst good ideas people ever had. We love sweets because they are so rich in calories and rare in nature. But cultivating cane in the West Indies essentially began the African slave trade in the western hemisphere, with all the residual ill effects we suffer to this day. Not the least of which was Parliament’s Sugar Act of 1764, which first caused wealthy men further north to agitate for abandoning their loyalty to king and country. Now the stuff is so cheap it’s used as filler in most processed foods, its excessive use a large factor in our present epidemic rates of obesity, heart disease, and diabetes. Its effects on our physical health are now as unfortunate as its earlier moral and political consequences.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Mike Tre, @Jack D, @tyrone

    Now the stuff is so cheap it’s used as filler in most processed foods,

    …..and high fructose corn syrup is even worse (and cheaper)……better read labels, it’s in everything ……..one could get the feeling someone want’s us sick and dieing.

  61. @Old Prude
    @JR Ewing

    Local government here decided giving away free milk to the "homeless" was a good idea. The bums poured out the milk in the parking lot to redeem the bottles for cash.

    My friend ran the local dairy, When the supermarket called in a panic "They're dumping the milk in the parking lot!", he replied "My God! I'll send some more over, RIGHT AWAY!"

    Replies: @Known Fact

    I walked past a NY methadone clinic once when that was being doled out as “treatment” for junkies. A dozen of them were out on the street, offering to sell their dose to raise money — for real drugs, I’d guess.

  62. @AceDeuce
    @Arclight

    Michelle Rhee-I remember her. She was useless-and, as you mention, was frozen out of the loop since negroes won't listen to any non-negro who dares to criticize them.

    Funny, she wound up hanging off the schlong of that black NBA player turned scandal-prone mayor (of Sacramento), Kevin Johnson.

    Replies: @Arclight

    While I appreciated her hatred of teachers unions and mediocrity, she was a bad fit from a personality and approach standpoint. The problem with cities like DC is that the point of the government is to provide loads of make-work jobs, which is a mechanism to redistribute wealth away from the white minority to the black majority. The idea that public employees have a duty to actually accomplish things and should be held accountable to the stated goals of their departments is totally alien.

    In contrast, Rhee was all about accountability and bluntly stated that a huge share of the school system’s employees were incompetents that needed to be fired. Threatening the easy livelihoods of thousands of blacks in a black-dominated city was intolerable and absolutely doomed to failure because many would never find employment again and also would be replaced by people of a different racial background.

    Ironically, a lot of this fear of a Great Replacement was totally accurate with the black share of the population being nearly cut in half over the last 50 years. Unlike white concerns about demographic change and loss of political clout this is treated as an awful tragedy and efforts have been made to ameliorate it.

    • Replies: @PeterIke
    @Arclight


    the black share of the population being nearly cut in half over the last 50 years.

     

    Yes, but a meaningless statistic. The fact is there are more total blacks in America than ever before. To quote Pew:

    In 2019, there were 46.8 million people who self-identified as Black, making up roughly 14% of the country’s population. This marks a 29% increase since 2000, when there were roughly 36.2 million Black Americans.

     

    10 million more blacks in nine years.

    So when you get that feeling "why does it seem like there are blacks everywhere I go?" the answer is "because there are." But because our immigration policies are insane and we let in millions on non-black non-whites every year, blacks stay around the same percentage. Saying "blacks are still 14% of the population and have been for years" makes it sound like their numbers are stable. They are not.

    Replies: @Arclight

  63. I have said it before, and I will say it again.

    America is a poorly run fascist country with a fantastic PR machine that spreads its bullshitvabout how wonderful it is all over the world.

    Almost all charities are scams, and almost all do-gooder organizations are frauds. The SPLC comes to mind right off the bat.

    How much longer we’re going to be allowed to discuss this on a semi-public forum is questionable.

    Steve, do you scrape this site regularly and backup everything, including comments?

    And can I get a full archive of your original Steve site? I’ll gladly pay well for it. It will be nice to have that after we’re all shut down.

  64. Strivers, part of the updated boosters vs. wise guys pairing.

    The missing word in the sugar story is Fanjul. You’ve all consumed their product over the decades. Many pols have taken their packets and those of their lobbyists. Look them up.

  65. @Hypnotoad666
    OT: Tonight a player on the 100% vaccinated Buffalo Bill's suffered a heart attack after a routine tackle and either died suddenly or is fighting for his life. https://youtu.be/fbAIR9faV3o

    But the really important thing is that we don't allow people to exploit this event to cast doubt on the safety and effectiveness of the vaxx. If Hamlin hadn't been vaccinated his eventual case of covid could have been slightly worse. So let's keep things in perspective.

    Replies: @Kim, @HammerJack, @R.G. Camara, @TWS, @Jack D, @Veteran Aryan, @International Jew

    If the vaccine causes heart attacks and the Bills are 100% vaccinated, why didn’t all of them drop dead of heart attacks?

    There are now 263 million people or 79% of the US population that have received at least one dose of the Covid vaccine. Many of these 263 million people are going to drop dead from various causes from now on. (Hamlin BTW is still alive). The fact that any given vaccinated individual drops dead neither proves nor disproves that the vaccine kills you. In fact it doesn’t prove anything at all and the fact that you think that it does only shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics.

    • LOL: Veteran Aryan
    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @PeterIke
    @Jack D


    The fact that any given vaccinated individual drops dead neither proves nor disproves that the vaccine kills you.

     

    Yet strangely, more young people are dying from heart disease than ever before, and heart damage rates are off the charts. Hmmmm. Climate change I guess. Must be also why we're seeing so many cases of highly accelerated cancers.

    In fact it doesn’t prove anything at all and the fact that you think that it does only shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics.
     
    Lol! Anything to protect the Jew Jabs, right Jack?

    By the way, not only have the harms of the vaccines been categorically proven by statistical evidence, we are now also beginning to understand the mechanisms of action that cause the harm. But keep saying "safe and effective" while "unexpected" deaths skyrocket.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Johann Ricke

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    If the vaccine causes heart attacks and the Bills are 100% vaccinated, why didn’t all of them drop dead of heart attacks?
     
    No NFL player ever died of covid, so I guess by your logic means covid has a 0% fatality rate and should have been ignored. This is pretty lame, Jack.

    The fact that any given vaccinated individual drops dead neither proves nor disproves that the vaccine kills you.

     

    That's interesting, because the covid hysterics counted every individual who dropped dead after (maybe) getting covid as proof that covid killed them. But you know about statistics, so I guess that was really smart then.

    In fact it doesn’t prove anything at all and the fact that you think that it does only shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics.
     
    Well, the rate of heart attacks in non-mrna dosed players has been 0/50,000 or so, the rate of heart attacks in vaxxed players is now approximately 1/1000. A guy named Bayes thinks that should affect your estimates of how healthy it is to have a vaxxed heart while engaging in athletics. (Incidentally, that's a much bigger outcome difference than they found in the Pfizer clinical trials -- which showed zero actual health outcome benefits).

    Part of the reason may be numbers, says Doshi. Because most people with symptomatic covid-19 infections experience only mild symptoms, even trials involving 30,000 or more patients would turn up relatively few cases of severe disease.

    “Hospitalisations and deaths from covid-19 are simply too uncommon in the population being studied for an effective vaccine to demonstrate statistically significant differences in a trial of 30,000 people,” he adds. “The same is true regarding whether it can save lives or prevent transmission: the trials are not designed to find out.” https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/covid-19-vaccine-trials-cannot-tell-us-if-they-will-save-lives/
     
    On the other hand, more recently:

    The analysis included 11 studies with 58,620,611 subjects in which COVID-19 vaccination correlated with an increased risk of myocarditis or pericarditis. The study showed a greater risk of myocarditis or pericarditis in individuals who received the second dose of COVID-19 vaccine compared with those who only received the first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine.

    Compared to unvaccinated individuals , myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccines were 2.13-fold higher (95% CI=1.55, 2.94; I2= 92.5%; p<0.001). https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/higher-incidence-of-myocarditis-pericarditis-found-after-covid-19-vaccination
     
    The fact that people like you are pushing dangerous sh*t into the bodies of healthy children and young adults with a statistical 0% risk of covid death "shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics."

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mike Tre

  66. @Hypnotoad666
    @reactionry

    I'm confused. Was the goat supposed to be black?

    Replies: @Dmon

    Yes – it’s a Nubian.

  67. @Gordo
    @neutral


    So did they actually do this, did they push the propaganda that being anti sugary drinks was racist?
     
    I'm guessing they used disparate impact, like more blacks like menthol cigarettes so banning them is rayceeest.

    Replies: @Jack D

    You have this backwards. BECAUSE blacks like menthol cigarettes and cigarettes kill people. menthol cigarettes MUST be banned because they especially kill black people. If white people especially liked menthol cigarettes, then there would be no reason to ban them.

    https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2022/fda-proposes-rule-prohibiting-menthol-cigarettes

  68. Are you kidding me? It’s the TAX on imbibibles from the modern Democrats that’s the REALY grift operation here in America. A way to raise money so that the Lefties can give money to their buddies so they can claim “We are for the People!” FU kiddies we got your money.

    Don’t believe me? Purchased some pop this week. In addition to the AMAZING 10.25% Chicago sales tax, there’s a 3% soft drink tax, so we pay 13.25% on pop. And you can’t even escape that 10% tax if you order from China!

    And then there’s the plastic shopping bag tax for bags that were previously FREE to shoppers. 7 cents for a bag: 2 cents for the store that covers the cost of the bag and 5 cents for the City of Chicago to give to their Democrat riff-raff.

    And then there’s the special 1% restaurant Chicago Loop tax allegedly for picking up fast food litter… ha ha, how many years since you’ve seen a city employee Downtown picking up the fast food litter?

  69. @JR Ewing
    @R.G. Camara


    It’s actually refreshing to hear that, behind the scenes, no one really believes this woke b.s.
     
    I have a very close friend from college - white guy from the south, way more than 2.1 kids, Trump voter, married to the same woman f0r more than 20 years now - who went to work at a series of startups that kept getting acquired until he finally ended up employed at one of the MAJOR tech companies. He has never struck me as someone who would have lasted long there, especially considering the amount of money he has made along the way, but he is a senior manager there and fairly high up at this point.

    We were talking recently and he was telling me a similar story, that a very large portion of the rank and file workers at his tech company don't believe in the woke BS at all and just endure it and find ways to avoid it as much as possible. He said it even goes so far that during the mandatory struggle sessions "sensitivity training", all of his coworkers only pretend to participate when the Angry Black Lady is watching them and the rest of the time they are laughing about it and talking about other topics.

    I really do think our culture is controlled by a tiny minority of ideological people who have power because more normal people are too polite or scared of losing their jobs to tell them to shut up.

    I'm not sure if my friend is in the first group or the latter, or maybe it's both.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Corn

    Your buddy is an asshole and not your friend. He tells you what you need to hear and tells them what they need to hear.

    He’s rich and powerful enough to speak out and stop this, or at least leave under protest, but he dutifully nods his head, repeats the Marxist nonsense, and collects his check.

    Cowards like your friend are exactly how we got here.

    • Thanks: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @R.G. Camara

    I wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s not my friend, but I do agree with the cowardly label.

  70. @Arclight
    @AceDeuce

    While I appreciated her hatred of teachers unions and mediocrity, she was a bad fit from a personality and approach standpoint. The problem with cities like DC is that the point of the government is to provide loads of make-work jobs, which is a mechanism to redistribute wealth away from the white minority to the black majority. The idea that public employees have a duty to actually accomplish things and should be held accountable to the stated goals of their departments is totally alien.

    In contrast, Rhee was all about accountability and bluntly stated that a huge share of the school system's employees were incompetents that needed to be fired. Threatening the easy livelihoods of thousands of blacks in a black-dominated city was intolerable and absolutely doomed to failure because many would never find employment again and also would be replaced by people of a different racial background.

    Ironically, a lot of this fear of a Great Replacement was totally accurate with the black share of the population being nearly cut in half over the last 50 years. Unlike white concerns about demographic change and loss of political clout this is treated as an awful tragedy and efforts have been made to ameliorate it.

    Replies: @PeterIke

    the black share of the population being nearly cut in half over the last 50 years.

    Yes, but a meaningless statistic. The fact is there are more total blacks in America than ever before. To quote Pew:

    In 2019, there were 46.8 million people who self-identified as Black, making up roughly 14% of the country’s population. This marks a 29% increase since 2000, when there were roughly 36.2 million Black Americans.

    10 million more blacks in nine years.

    So when you get that feeling “why does it seem like there are blacks everywhere I go?” the answer is “because there are.” But because our immigration policies are insane and we let in millions on non-black non-whites every year, blacks stay around the same percentage. Saying “blacks are still 14% of the population and have been for years” makes it sound like their numbers are stable. They are not.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Arclight
    @PeterIke

    I was actually referring to DC's black population - when I first lived in DC they made up well over 60% of the population and are now down to about 40%. Many blacks used to speak of "The Plan" which was a conspiracy to move them out so whites would once again control the city...and although they still have substantial political clout their numbers continue to decline while other groups grow so it kind of actually happened with about 100K blacks moving out over 30 years or so.

    As Steve has noted, one of the big effects of urban renewal over the last 20-25 years has been to shove blacks out of a lot of desirable real estate. The flipside is close in suburbs have gotten a lot more diverse and have big city problems that largely didn't exist for them a generation ago. A small suburban community near my city that was very white even 10 years ago had a fatal bus stop shooting this fall - you can guess the demo of the perpetrator and victim.

  71. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    If the vaccine causes heart attacks and the Bills are 100% vaccinated, why didn't all of them drop dead of heart attacks?

    There are now 263 million people or 79% of the US population that have received at least one dose of the Covid vaccine. Many of these 263 million people are going to drop dead from various causes from now on. (Hamlin BTW is still alive). The fact that any given vaccinated individual drops dead neither proves nor disproves that the vaccine kills you. In fact it doesn't prove anything at all and the fact that you think that it does only shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics.

    Replies: @PeterIke, @Hypnotoad666

    The fact that any given vaccinated individual drops dead neither proves nor disproves that the vaccine kills you.

    Yet strangely, more young people are dying from heart disease than ever before, and heart damage rates are off the charts. Hmmmm. Climate change I guess. Must be also why we’re seeing so many cases of highly accelerated cancers.

    In fact it doesn’t prove anything at all and the fact that you think that it does only shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics.

    Lol! Anything to protect the Jew Jabs, right Jack?

    By the way, not only have the harms of the vaccines been categorically proven by statistical evidence, we are now also beginning to understand the mechanisms of action that cause the harm. But keep saying “safe and effective” while “unexpected” deaths skyrocket.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @PeterIke


    Jew Jabs
     
    That's a new one. You should trademark that, maybe even get a shirt printed - "No Jew Jabs in Me!"

    Yes, Mr. P, that's right. All God fearing, Jew hating white Christians should avoid the Jew Jab. Especially if you are elderly. Also make sure you never wear a mask.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @AnotherDad
    @PeterIke


    By the way, not only have the harms of the vaccines been categorically proven by statistical evidence, we are now also beginning to understand the mechanisms of action that cause the harm.
     
    Links? Good ones, not internet nonsense.

    One of the obviously useless/bogus deals is the "more of the vaxxed are dying" kind of thing. That's a given. That simplistic stuff is the anti-vax version of BLM style nonsense. Just like blacks are way way more involved in violent crime than other folks, the vaxxed will skew heavily old, and in any given age bracket will skew to the people who are less healthy (obese, diabetes, cancer survivors, immuno-compromised, etc.). So relative to the whole population the vaxxed should be dying more, just like the cops should be killing blacks more.

    The other necessary thing it has to be "compared to what?" Specifically, the real comparison is getting Covid without the vax. In simple terms you want to compare like to like. Given me say "healthy 50 year olds" and then the buckets "got the vax in the spring '21" and "remained un-vaxxed". See those death rates. Then those need to be split into "got Covid" and "didn't get Covid".

    My general take here is that the Fauci virus definitely attacks vascular tissues and seems to cause some serious problems--even beyond the immediate infection--in some small minority of the population. I'm quite willing to believe that turning people's cells into little spike protein factories for a day or two is indeed quite negative and knocking a bunch of people over the edge. However, getting a Covid infection is the same thing--only more so, because your cells are hijacked to create a self-replicating virus (not just the spike) which goes on hijacking your cells turning out copies of itself until your immune system can kill it off. So billions more copies and running on for much longer.

    In the absence of Covid being endemic getting the vax would be nuts. But if--as I do--one assumes that eventually everyone is going to get it (be exposed have the body's immune system fight it off)--like the flu--then the question is getting it vaxxed or unvaxxed? And look at total health return--immediate in wake of vax and/or infection and long term.

    So far, the only credible thing I've seen is the myocarditis in young men. That seems to be a few times worse with the vax then it is getting Covid cold (unvaxxed). It is--my understanding--mostly recovered from. But it's a good argument for young men not getting vaxxed, especially if they've had Covid already. (My son and prospectively son-in-law--both fit young men--already had the Fauci, before the vax was out, so I think unwise for them to get vaxxed.)

    ~~

    The final thing is mechanism? Why would the vax be worse than Covid infection itself? That's would seemingly have to be either quantity or quality issue. Quantity would seem to be off the table. And actual Covid infection would hijack way way more of your cells for much much longer as it is self-replicating. So the culprit seemingly would have to be something about either having the spike "unmoored" from the virus? Or the nature of the spike stabilization itself? (And would suggest the benefit of a whole--killed or disabled--virus vax as preferred.)


    This sort of stuff--full epidemiological data so we can really look break this down and easily compare like to like and figure out "what works" and "is there a problem here", is of course what the CDC should be doing. Unfortunately ... that's not our CDC.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Mike Tre

    , @AnotherDad
    @PeterIke


    Lol! Anything to protect the Jew Jabs, right Jack?
     
    BTW, I'm with Jack on your "Jew Jabs" thing--lame.

    I'll hold up Jews for criticism on their evil ideological pathologies--minoritarianism in general and their "must have immigration!" insanity. Especially since the American Jewish establishment proudly embraces precisely this toxic, genocidal, anti-white crap as "Jewish values".

    But vaccines ... I'm claiming them for my people. People--I think pretty much all over the civilized world--have tried primitive "exposure" vaccination for centuries. But the ball really got rolling with Jenner, cowpox and vaccina.

    A couple of Jewish guys--Salk (the hustler) and Sabin (the good-neighbor) were huge on the polio thing when I was kid. Thanks guys!

    But the #1 vaccine inventor in human history is Hilleman--a Germanic background, flyover Montana gentile (Lutheran) farm boy.

    Vaccines--however flawed the Covid ones may be or not be--are a huge win for humanity and I'm claiming them as yet another W for team white-gentile.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Johann Ricke
    @PeterIke


    Lol! Anything to protect the Jew Jabs, right Jack?
     
    Technically-speaking, the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is a Turk Jab, given that the scientists responsible are a Turkish couple.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/business/biontech-covid-vaccine.html

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Veteran Aryan

  72. @JR Ewing
    @R.G. Camara


    It’s actually refreshing to hear that, behind the scenes, no one really believes this woke b.s.
     
    I have a very close friend from college - white guy from the south, way more than 2.1 kids, Trump voter, married to the same woman f0r more than 20 years now - who went to work at a series of startups that kept getting acquired until he finally ended up employed at one of the MAJOR tech companies. He has never struck me as someone who would have lasted long there, especially considering the amount of money he has made along the way, but he is a senior manager there and fairly high up at this point.

    We were talking recently and he was telling me a similar story, that a very large portion of the rank and file workers at his tech company don't believe in the woke BS at all and just endure it and find ways to avoid it as much as possible. He said it even goes so far that during the mandatory struggle sessions "sensitivity training", all of his coworkers only pretend to participate when the Angry Black Lady is watching them and the rest of the time they are laughing about it and talking about other topics.

    I really do think our culture is controlled by a tiny minority of ideological people who have power because more normal people are too polite or scared of losing their jobs to tell them to shut up.

    I'm not sure if my friend is in the first group or the latter, or maybe it's both.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Corn

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_paradox

    Sounds like the majority at your friend’s company is indifferent or opposed to the woke stuff but don’t want to rock the boat.

    Unfortunately, a passionate minority will beat a majority that just wants to be left alone.

  73. @Hypnotoad666
    OT: Tonight a player on the 100% vaccinated Buffalo Bill's suffered a heart attack after a routine tackle and either died suddenly or is fighting for his life. https://youtu.be/fbAIR9faV3o

    But the really important thing is that we don't allow people to exploit this event to cast doubt on the safety and effectiveness of the vaxx. If Hamlin hadn't been vaccinated his eventual case of covid could have been slightly worse. So let's keep things in perspective.

    Replies: @Kim, @HammerJack, @R.G. Camara, @TWS, @Jack D, @Veteran Aryan, @International Jew

    The prestige media is rushing to get doctors on TV to explain to the rubes that what actually happened is a case of the exceedingly rare commotio cordis. Don’t know if having an inflamed heart makes the condition more likely. The reality is that we’ll never know for sure unless he dies and has an autopsy. Even then, it would be covered up. But that’s pretty unlikely since he was young and healthy and got immediate medical attention.

    I died once for a few minutes, but I was in intensive care at the time so doctors were right in the room with me when it happened. Pulmonary embolism. Gotta say, even with immediate medical attention it was a pretty rough go. Felt like I had a few dozen fishhooks in my right lung, and someone was standing on my shoulders trying to yank them out. Do not recommend.

  74. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123


    soda is one of the cheapest ways to get calories
     
    This actually has some resonance in 3rd world countries - if you look at a place like India, people who are poor tend to be very scrawny and if they could afford to drink a 6 oz. bottle of soda every day it might help them to be less underweight (btw 6 fluid oz. was the volume of the traditional bottle of Coke).

    But in America it's ridiculous. However it goes with the whole crazy "hunger in America" nonsense. If you visit the ghettoes of America there are a lot of problems but lack of calories isn't one of them. There is a huge government and non-profit structure that is pushing MORE food into American ghettos but hardly anyone that is invested in people consuming LESS food.

    Replies: @Corn

    But in America it’s ridiculous. However it goes with the whole crazy “hunger in America” nonsense.

    I would almost argue that in this era of EBT cards hunger in America is mostly confined to children neglected by abusive parents and perhaps the homeless. Yet judging by Reddit and liberal Twitter, hunger—ahem, food insecurity is rife in America.

    Do these people ever look at their fellow citizens?

  75. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    If the vaccine causes heart attacks and the Bills are 100% vaccinated, why didn't all of them drop dead of heart attacks?

    There are now 263 million people or 79% of the US population that have received at least one dose of the Covid vaccine. Many of these 263 million people are going to drop dead from various causes from now on. (Hamlin BTW is still alive). The fact that any given vaccinated individual drops dead neither proves nor disproves that the vaccine kills you. In fact it doesn't prove anything at all and the fact that you think that it does only shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics.

    Replies: @PeterIke, @Hypnotoad666

    If the vaccine causes heart attacks and the Bills are 100% vaccinated, why didn’t all of them drop dead of heart attacks?

    No NFL player ever died of covid, so I guess by your logic means covid has a 0% fatality rate and should have been ignored. This is pretty lame, Jack.

    The fact that any given vaccinated individual drops dead neither proves nor disproves that the vaccine kills you.

    That’s interesting, because the covid hysterics counted every individual who dropped dead after (maybe) getting covid as proof that covid killed them. But you know about statistics, so I guess that was really smart then.

    In fact it doesn’t prove anything at all and the fact that you think that it does only shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics.

    Well, the rate of heart attacks in non-mrna dosed players has been 0/50,000 or so, the rate of heart attacks in vaxxed players is now approximately 1/1000. A guy named Bayes thinks that should affect your estimates of how healthy it is to have a vaxxed heart while engaging in athletics. (Incidentally, that’s a much bigger outcome difference than they found in the Pfizer clinical trials — which showed zero actual health outcome benefits).

    Part of the reason may be numbers, says Doshi. Because most people with symptomatic covid-19 infections experience only mild symptoms, even trials involving 30,000 or more patients would turn up relatively few cases of severe disease.

    “Hospitalisations and deaths from covid-19 are simply too uncommon in the population being studied for an effective vaccine to demonstrate statistically significant differences in a trial of 30,000 people,” he adds. “The same is true regarding whether it can save lives or prevent transmission: the trials are not designed to find out.” https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/covid-19-vaccine-trials-cannot-tell-us-if-they-will-save-lives/

    On the other hand, more recently:

    The analysis included 11 studies with 58,620,611 subjects in which COVID-19 vaccination correlated with an increased risk of myocarditis or pericarditis. The study showed a greater risk of myocarditis or pericarditis in individuals who received the second dose of COVID-19 vaccine compared with those who only received the first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine.

    Compared to unvaccinated individuals , myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccines were 2.13-fold higher (95% CI=1.55, 2.94; I2= 92.5%; p<0.001). https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/higher-incidence-of-myocarditis-pericarditis-found-after-covid-19-vaccination

    The fact that people like you are pushing dangerous sh*t into the bodies of healthy children and young adults with a statistical 0% risk of covid death “shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics.”

    • Thanks: Veteran Aryan
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    Well now you are moving the goal posts. You are still wrong, but at least you are talking about statistical evidence and not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill of a single anecdote.

    Do you know what Damar Hamlin got hit with a lot more recently than the vax? He got hit with a blow to his chest during a collision with a receiver on the opposing team shortly before he collapsed. This, and not a tiny little shot that was excreted from his body months ago, is probably what caused him to collapse according to doctors. But pinning it on a hit to the chest wouldn't suit your agenda.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/health/damar-hamlin-cardiac-arrest-arrhythmia.html

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @AnotherDad, @Bonny, @Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    , @Mike Tre
    @Hypnotoad666

    snippy D still thinks that mutilating the genitals of infant boys is backed by science.

  76. @Ben tillman
    @New Dealer

    Fighting words are spoken words, not written.

    Replies: @New Dealer

    Ben tillman wrote:

    Fighting words are spoken, not written.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words

    Fighting words are written or spoken words intended to incite hatred or violence from their target.

    https://freespeech.fandom.com/wiki/Fighting_words

    Fighting words are written or spoken words, generally expressed to incite hatred or violence and to place the targets of the words in danger of harm.

    etc.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @New Dealer

    Fighting words are spoken words. Your sources are ridiculous.


    Fighting words are written or spoken words intended to incite hatred or violence from their target.
     
    No. They are intended to insult the person to whom they are spoken, but by their nature they can be expected to result in a passionate, violent response.

    Fighting words are written or spoken words, generally expressed to incite hatred or violence and to place the targets of the words in danger of harm.
     

    No. That is completely unrelated to the concept of fighting words. Fighting words are insults that involve no one other than the speaker and the person to whom they are spoken. They do not put anyone in danger of harm. By their very nature hey cause harm to the person to whom they are spoken.
    , @ben tillman
    @New Dealer

    It is exactly as I recall from law school. From Black's Law Dictionary (5th edition) (emphasis added):

    Fighting words, which may constitutionally be prohibited, are words directed to the person of the HEARER which would have a tendency to cause acts of violence by the person to whom, individually, the remark is addressed.

    Conchito v. City of Tulsa, 521 P. 2d 1384, 1388.

    Fighting words, by their very utterance, inflict injury or tend to cite an immediate breach of the peace. Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568.

  77. @PeterIke
    @Arclight


    the black share of the population being nearly cut in half over the last 50 years.

     

    Yes, but a meaningless statistic. The fact is there are more total blacks in America than ever before. To quote Pew:

    In 2019, there were 46.8 million people who self-identified as Black, making up roughly 14% of the country’s population. This marks a 29% increase since 2000, when there were roughly 36.2 million Black Americans.

     

    10 million more blacks in nine years.

    So when you get that feeling "why does it seem like there are blacks everywhere I go?" the answer is "because there are." But because our immigration policies are insane and we let in millions on non-black non-whites every year, blacks stay around the same percentage. Saying "blacks are still 14% of the population and have been for years" makes it sound like their numbers are stable. They are not.

    Replies: @Arclight

    I was actually referring to DC’s black population – when I first lived in DC they made up well over 60% of the population and are now down to about 40%. Many blacks used to speak of “The Plan” which was a conspiracy to move them out so whites would once again control the city…and although they still have substantial political clout their numbers continue to decline while other groups grow so it kind of actually happened with about 100K blacks moving out over 30 years or so.

    As Steve has noted, one of the big effects of urban renewal over the last 20-25 years has been to shove blacks out of a lot of desirable real estate. The flipside is close in suburbs have gotten a lot more diverse and have big city problems that largely didn’t exist for them a generation ago. A small suburban community near my city that was very white even 10 years ago had a fatal bus stop shooting this fall – you can guess the demo of the perpetrator and victim.

  78. @PeterIke
    @Jack D


    The fact that any given vaccinated individual drops dead neither proves nor disproves that the vaccine kills you.

     

    Yet strangely, more young people are dying from heart disease than ever before, and heart damage rates are off the charts. Hmmmm. Climate change I guess. Must be also why we're seeing so many cases of highly accelerated cancers.

    In fact it doesn’t prove anything at all and the fact that you think that it does only shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics.
     
    Lol! Anything to protect the Jew Jabs, right Jack?

    By the way, not only have the harms of the vaccines been categorically proven by statistical evidence, we are now also beginning to understand the mechanisms of action that cause the harm. But keep saying "safe and effective" while "unexpected" deaths skyrocket.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Johann Ricke

    Jew Jabs

    That’s a new one. You should trademark that, maybe even get a shirt printed – “No Jew Jabs in Me!”

    Yes, Mr. P, that’s right. All God fearing, Jew hating white Christians should avoid the Jew Jab. Especially if you are elderly. Also make sure you never wear a mask.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    "Jew Jab" is a favorite phrase of former Unz columnist Linh Dinh. I don't know if he coined it, but he uses it all the time. He has a Substack blog and a Blogger blog, the latter mostly photos of his travels. PeterIke may have picked up the phrase from reading him.
    He says he doesn't dislike Jews, only "Jewish thinking," however he defines that.

  79. @PeterIke
    @Jack D


    The fact that any given vaccinated individual drops dead neither proves nor disproves that the vaccine kills you.

     

    Yet strangely, more young people are dying from heart disease than ever before, and heart damage rates are off the charts. Hmmmm. Climate change I guess. Must be also why we're seeing so many cases of highly accelerated cancers.

    In fact it doesn’t prove anything at all and the fact that you think that it does only shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics.
     
    Lol! Anything to protect the Jew Jabs, right Jack?

    By the way, not only have the harms of the vaccines been categorically proven by statistical evidence, we are now also beginning to understand the mechanisms of action that cause the harm. But keep saying "safe and effective" while "unexpected" deaths skyrocket.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Johann Ricke

    By the way, not only have the harms of the vaccines been categorically proven by statistical evidence, we are now also beginning to understand the mechanisms of action that cause the harm.

    Links? Good ones, not internet nonsense.

    One of the obviously useless/bogus deals is the “more of the vaxxed are dying” kind of thing. That’s a given. That simplistic stuff is the anti-vax version of BLM style nonsense. Just like blacks are way way more involved in violent crime than other folks, the vaxxed will skew heavily old, and in any given age bracket will skew to the people who are less healthy (obese, diabetes, cancer survivors, immuno-compromised, etc.). So relative to the whole population the vaxxed should be dying more, just like the cops should be killing blacks more.

    The other necessary thing it has to be “compared to what?” Specifically, the real comparison is getting Covid without the vax. In simple terms you want to compare like to like. Given me say “healthy 50 year olds” and then the buckets “got the vax in the spring ’21” and “remained un-vaxxed”. See those death rates. Then those need to be split into “got Covid” and “didn’t get Covid”.

    My general take here is that the Fauci virus definitely attacks vascular tissues and seems to cause some serious problems–even beyond the immediate infection–in some small minority of the population. I’m quite willing to believe that turning people’s cells into little spike protein factories for a day or two is indeed quite negative and knocking a bunch of people over the edge. However, getting a Covid infection is the same thing–only more so, because your cells are hijacked to create a self-replicating virus (not just the spike) which goes on hijacking your cells turning out copies of itself until your immune system can kill it off. So billions more copies and running on for much longer.

    In the absence of Covid being endemic getting the vax would be nuts. But if–as I do–one assumes that eventually everyone is going to get it (be exposed have the body’s immune system fight it off)–like the flu–then the question is getting it vaxxed or unvaxxed? And look at total health return–immediate in wake of vax and/or infection and long term.

    So far, the only credible thing I’ve seen is the myocarditis in young men. That seems to be a few times worse with the vax then it is getting Covid cold (unvaxxed). It is–my understanding–mostly recovered from. But it’s a good argument for young men not getting vaxxed, especially if they’ve had Covid already. (My son and prospectively son-in-law–both fit young men–already had the Fauci, before the vax was out, so I think unwise for them to get vaxxed.)

    ~~

    The final thing is mechanism? Why would the vax be worse than Covid infection itself? That’s would seemingly have to be either quantity or quality issue. Quantity would seem to be off the table. And actual Covid infection would hijack way way more of your cells for much much longer as it is self-replicating. So the culprit seemingly would have to be something about either having the spike “unmoored” from the virus? Or the nature of the spike stabilization itself? (And would suggest the benefit of a whole–killed or disabled–virus vax as preferred.)

    This sort of stuff–full epidemiological data so we can really look break this down and easily compare like to like and figure out “what works” and “is there a problem here”, is of course what the CDC should be doing. Unfortunately … that’s not our CDC.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @AnotherDad


    Why would the vax be worse than Covid infection itself?
     
    Why the question? The vax is not a vax, it is unrelated to Covid, it is totally new "gene therapy" it is not an attenuated version of the virus which is what the definition of a vaccination was before it was "redefined".
    It's impact is in no way limited or related to that of covid.

    It is not efficacious, it is not safe, it does not prevent transmission and it is not a vaccine.

    Here's a clue, if you have to redefine a word, you're lying.
    Talk to any "Liberal".

    Replies: @Nico

    , @Mike Tre
    @AnotherDad

    sometimes i think you should change your handle to anotherjackd

  80. @Kim
    @Redneck farmer

    Yes, sugar was a plantation crop requiring slavery before the Europeans even arrived in West in Africa.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Slavery was introduced to America from Africa.
    It was unknown in England since the 1100’s. Even the Church forbade it in about 1205.

  81. @Old Prude
    @Jim Don Bob

    If it was Kevin Williamson writing about "bad whites", then you can be pretty sure i'ts a lie.

    I recall his description of a Trump rally in 2016: It was nothing like the Trump rally I went to. He described a bunch of gap-tooth hillbilly racists. All I saw was nice middle-class whites, most probably college educated, like myself. The anti-Trump protestors were shaggy noisy scum. No word from Williamson about them.

    After that, I began to notice all kinds of whoppers in his writings. Fraud. Phony. Bum.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Jim Don Bob

    Thanks. I am sure I read it at the time. I was a long time subscriber to NR, thinking they were on my side. Then along came Trump and blew their cover. They really had me fooled.

  82. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    If the vaccine causes heart attacks and the Bills are 100% vaccinated, why didn’t all of them drop dead of heart attacks?
     
    No NFL player ever died of covid, so I guess by your logic means covid has a 0% fatality rate and should have been ignored. This is pretty lame, Jack.

    The fact that any given vaccinated individual drops dead neither proves nor disproves that the vaccine kills you.

     

    That's interesting, because the covid hysterics counted every individual who dropped dead after (maybe) getting covid as proof that covid killed them. But you know about statistics, so I guess that was really smart then.

    In fact it doesn’t prove anything at all and the fact that you think that it does only shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics.
     
    Well, the rate of heart attacks in non-mrna dosed players has been 0/50,000 or so, the rate of heart attacks in vaxxed players is now approximately 1/1000. A guy named Bayes thinks that should affect your estimates of how healthy it is to have a vaxxed heart while engaging in athletics. (Incidentally, that's a much bigger outcome difference than they found in the Pfizer clinical trials -- which showed zero actual health outcome benefits).

    Part of the reason may be numbers, says Doshi. Because most people with symptomatic covid-19 infections experience only mild symptoms, even trials involving 30,000 or more patients would turn up relatively few cases of severe disease.

    “Hospitalisations and deaths from covid-19 are simply too uncommon in the population being studied for an effective vaccine to demonstrate statistically significant differences in a trial of 30,000 people,” he adds. “The same is true regarding whether it can save lives or prevent transmission: the trials are not designed to find out.” https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/covid-19-vaccine-trials-cannot-tell-us-if-they-will-save-lives/
     
    On the other hand, more recently:

    The analysis included 11 studies with 58,620,611 subjects in which COVID-19 vaccination correlated with an increased risk of myocarditis or pericarditis. The study showed a greater risk of myocarditis or pericarditis in individuals who received the second dose of COVID-19 vaccine compared with those who only received the first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine.

    Compared to unvaccinated individuals , myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccines were 2.13-fold higher (95% CI=1.55, 2.94; I2= 92.5%; p<0.001). https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/higher-incidence-of-myocarditis-pericarditis-found-after-covid-19-vaccination
     
    The fact that people like you are pushing dangerous sh*t into the bodies of healthy children and young adults with a statistical 0% risk of covid death "shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics."

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mike Tre

    Well now you are moving the goal posts. You are still wrong, but at least you are talking about statistical evidence and not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill of a single anecdote.

    Do you know what Damar Hamlin got hit with a lot more recently than the vax? He got hit with a blow to his chest during a collision with a receiver on the opposing team shortly before he collapsed. This, and not a tiny little shot that was excreted from his body months ago, is probably what caused him to collapse according to doctors. But pinning it on a hit to the chest wouldn’t suit your agenda.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/health/damar-hamlin-cardiac-arrest-arrhythmia.html

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Jack D

    Alex Berenson demolishes the "hit in the chest" argument here.

    On Damar Hamlin, mRNA shots, and spin.

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/on-damar-hamlin-mrna-shots-and-spin

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Well now you are moving the goal posts. You are still wrong, but at least you are talking about statistical evidence and not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill of a single anecdote.
     
    A big problem here is that we don't actually have the statistical evidence. Because the CDC--our establishment--just hasn't done its job--for which thousands of bureaucrats are well paid.

    There absolutely no reason we shouldn't have a public searchable database that containing the data for everyone dying, hospitalized, having some non-hospitalized reaction, testing positive for covid (or for that matter the flu, etc.).

    Researchers should be able to just zip through this thing and see the effect of the vaccine on deaths, hospitalizations, or any particular pathology (myocarditis) for any particular demographic slice. As well as other questions like heart attacks and cancer and obesity. Or breast cancer and childbirth vs. abortion. Etc. etc. etc. Instead, researchers have to try and find ways to pull together a sample and find ways to get proper controls and make it representative--with very mixed success and confidence.

    This is the basic stuff that is one of the few advantages of having a hulking 4 trillion dollar/year government. Hey, it can collect data and from that data you can answer questions that you can't answer from anecdote. Whether it's cops shooting people, or blacks shooting people, or people getting fat, or covid vaccines.

    But we pay our 4 trillion and diddly.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Bonny
    @Jack D

    Hello Jack,

    It may surprise you to learn that in American football hundreds of collisions occur every game! It can be a very entertaining game, although I admit there are quite a few ads. Check it out some time!

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Anon
    @Jack D

    There’s a Wikipedia article about athletes who drop dead on the field, complete with a table of cases going back a couple of decades, and another table of a dozen kinds of cardiac problems that were implicated. To blame the vaccine you’d have a nontrivial bit of statistical and medical work to do to surface vax deaths from all these other deaths. By the way, one line of research is why a disproportionate number of the victims are blacks.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D

    New York Times says its "probably" not Vaxx related. Never saw that coming. LOL.

    But I love how it's wrong to jump to medical conclusions . . . except when our nation's leading purveyor of disinformation and propaganda does it.

    Replies: @Jack D

  83. @PeterIke
    @Jack D


    The fact that any given vaccinated individual drops dead neither proves nor disproves that the vaccine kills you.

     

    Yet strangely, more young people are dying from heart disease than ever before, and heart damage rates are off the charts. Hmmmm. Climate change I guess. Must be also why we're seeing so many cases of highly accelerated cancers.

    In fact it doesn’t prove anything at all and the fact that you think that it does only shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics.
     
    Lol! Anything to protect the Jew Jabs, right Jack?

    By the way, not only have the harms of the vaccines been categorically proven by statistical evidence, we are now also beginning to understand the mechanisms of action that cause the harm. But keep saying "safe and effective" while "unexpected" deaths skyrocket.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Johann Ricke

    Lol! Anything to protect the Jew Jabs, right Jack?

    BTW, I’m with Jack on your “Jew Jabs” thing–lame.

    I’ll hold up Jews for criticism on their evil ideological pathologies–minoritarianism in general and their “must have immigration!” insanity. Especially since the American Jewish establishment proudly embraces precisely this toxic, genocidal, anti-white crap as “Jewish values”.

    But vaccines … I’m claiming them for my people. People–I think pretty much all over the civilized world–have tried primitive “exposure” vaccination for centuries. But the ball really got rolling with Jenner, cowpox and vaccina.

    A couple of Jewish guys–Salk (the hustler) and Sabin (the good-neighbor) were huge on the polio thing when I was kid. Thanks guys!

    But the #1 vaccine inventor in human history is Hilleman–a Germanic background, flyover Montana gentile (Lutheran) farm boy.

    Vaccines–however flawed the Covid ones may be or not be–are a huge win for humanity and I’m claiming them as yet another W for team white-gentile.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Nope, nope. I gotta agree with Peter on this. All vaccines, not just the Covid vax, are a Jew conspiracy ( did you know that vaxes turn you gay, BTW?) so all proper Jew haters should stay away from all vaccines. Make sure your kids don't get them either. Just tell them that vaccines are against your religion.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  84. @AnotherDad
    @PeterIke


    By the way, not only have the harms of the vaccines been categorically proven by statistical evidence, we are now also beginning to understand the mechanisms of action that cause the harm.
     
    Links? Good ones, not internet nonsense.

    One of the obviously useless/bogus deals is the "more of the vaxxed are dying" kind of thing. That's a given. That simplistic stuff is the anti-vax version of BLM style nonsense. Just like blacks are way way more involved in violent crime than other folks, the vaxxed will skew heavily old, and in any given age bracket will skew to the people who are less healthy (obese, diabetes, cancer survivors, immuno-compromised, etc.). So relative to the whole population the vaxxed should be dying more, just like the cops should be killing blacks more.

    The other necessary thing it has to be "compared to what?" Specifically, the real comparison is getting Covid without the vax. In simple terms you want to compare like to like. Given me say "healthy 50 year olds" and then the buckets "got the vax in the spring '21" and "remained un-vaxxed". See those death rates. Then those need to be split into "got Covid" and "didn't get Covid".

    My general take here is that the Fauci virus definitely attacks vascular tissues and seems to cause some serious problems--even beyond the immediate infection--in some small minority of the population. I'm quite willing to believe that turning people's cells into little spike protein factories for a day or two is indeed quite negative and knocking a bunch of people over the edge. However, getting a Covid infection is the same thing--only more so, because your cells are hijacked to create a self-replicating virus (not just the spike) which goes on hijacking your cells turning out copies of itself until your immune system can kill it off. So billions more copies and running on for much longer.

    In the absence of Covid being endemic getting the vax would be nuts. But if--as I do--one assumes that eventually everyone is going to get it (be exposed have the body's immune system fight it off)--like the flu--then the question is getting it vaxxed or unvaxxed? And look at total health return--immediate in wake of vax and/or infection and long term.

    So far, the only credible thing I've seen is the myocarditis in young men. That seems to be a few times worse with the vax then it is getting Covid cold (unvaxxed). It is--my understanding--mostly recovered from. But it's a good argument for young men not getting vaxxed, especially if they've had Covid already. (My son and prospectively son-in-law--both fit young men--already had the Fauci, before the vax was out, so I think unwise for them to get vaxxed.)

    ~~

    The final thing is mechanism? Why would the vax be worse than Covid infection itself? That's would seemingly have to be either quantity or quality issue. Quantity would seem to be off the table. And actual Covid infection would hijack way way more of your cells for much much longer as it is self-replicating. So the culprit seemingly would have to be something about either having the spike "unmoored" from the virus? Or the nature of the spike stabilization itself? (And would suggest the benefit of a whole--killed or disabled--virus vax as preferred.)


    This sort of stuff--full epidemiological data so we can really look break this down and easily compare like to like and figure out "what works" and "is there a problem here", is of course what the CDC should be doing. Unfortunately ... that's not our CDC.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Mike Tre

    Why would the vax be worse than Covid infection itself?

    Why the question? The vax is not a vax, it is unrelated to Covid, it is totally new “gene therapy” it is not an attenuated version of the virus which is what the definition of a vaccination was before it was “redefined”.
    It’s impact is in no way limited or related to that of covid.

    It is not efficacious, it is not safe, it does not prevent transmission and it is not a vaccine.

    Here’s a clue, if you have to redefine a word, you’re lying.
    Talk to any “Liberal”.

    • Replies: @Nico
    @Bill Jones


    The vax is not a vax, it is unrelated to Covid, it is totally new “gene therapy” it is not an attenuated version of the virus which is what the definition of a vaccination was before it was “redefined”… Here’s a clue, if you have to redefine a word, you’re lying.
     
    Unrelated to COVID… that’s debatable. The mRNA is generated from an engineered plasmid DNA, yes, but if the sequencing were knowingly derived from COVID could it really be said to be “unrelated”?

    And if you’re going to get technical you could say that nothing without a live cowpox virus should ever be called a “vaccine.” Early methods of smallpox inoculation included live smallpox viruses and the practice was aptly called “variolation.”

    That said I will grant that COVID mRNA inoculations (if you don’t like the term “vaccine”) are new technology encapsulated in new technology and that this alone should have been enough to shut down the blackmail (“vaccine” mandates). Even so, I’ve yet to hear a full-on, blanket “HARMFUL!” argument that sounded biochemically literate.
  85. @AnotherDad
    @PeterIke


    Lol! Anything to protect the Jew Jabs, right Jack?
     
    BTW, I'm with Jack on your "Jew Jabs" thing--lame.

    I'll hold up Jews for criticism on their evil ideological pathologies--minoritarianism in general and their "must have immigration!" insanity. Especially since the American Jewish establishment proudly embraces precisely this toxic, genocidal, anti-white crap as "Jewish values".

    But vaccines ... I'm claiming them for my people. People--I think pretty much all over the civilized world--have tried primitive "exposure" vaccination for centuries. But the ball really got rolling with Jenner, cowpox and vaccina.

    A couple of Jewish guys--Salk (the hustler) and Sabin (the good-neighbor) were huge on the polio thing when I was kid. Thanks guys!

    But the #1 vaccine inventor in human history is Hilleman--a Germanic background, flyover Montana gentile (Lutheran) farm boy.

    Vaccines--however flawed the Covid ones may be or not be--are a huge win for humanity and I'm claiming them as yet another W for team white-gentile.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Nope, nope. I gotta agree with Peter on this. All vaccines, not just the Covid vax, are a Jew conspiracy ( did you know that vaxes turn you gay, BTW?) so all proper Jew haters should stay away from all vaccines. Make sure your kids don’t get them either. Just tell them that vaccines are against your religion.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    The Nazis were indeed anti-Vaxxers. It went hand in hand with their enthusiasm for all kinds of alternative/new age medicines/diets/treatments. Hippies with guns.

    (I think Jello Biafra wrote a song about this.)

  86. @Ganderson
    @Art Deco

    Didn’t the good Reverend Jackson get a Budweiser distributorship for one of his kids?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Didn’t the good Reverend Jackson get a Budweiser distributorship for one of his kids?

    Yes. JJ Jr. who was a congressman for a while until he got busted for some fairly brazen corruption and is/was doing some federal time.

    Too stupid to realize that a Bud distributorship is a license to print money and all he needed was a white guy to run it. Dad had some fake charity (Operation Push, IIRC) that got lots of federal grants to help the brothers blah blah blah.

    My favorite piece of hypocrisy from JJ was him “preaching” with BJC at the height of the Monica mess. Soon thereafter it was revealed that JJ had a love child.

  87. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    If the vaccine causes heart attacks and the Bills are 100% vaccinated, why didn’t all of them drop dead of heart attacks?
     
    No NFL player ever died of covid, so I guess by your logic means covid has a 0% fatality rate and should have been ignored. This is pretty lame, Jack.

    The fact that any given vaccinated individual drops dead neither proves nor disproves that the vaccine kills you.

     

    That's interesting, because the covid hysterics counted every individual who dropped dead after (maybe) getting covid as proof that covid killed them. But you know about statistics, so I guess that was really smart then.

    In fact it doesn’t prove anything at all and the fact that you think that it does only shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics.
     
    Well, the rate of heart attacks in non-mrna dosed players has been 0/50,000 or so, the rate of heart attacks in vaxxed players is now approximately 1/1000. A guy named Bayes thinks that should affect your estimates of how healthy it is to have a vaxxed heart while engaging in athletics. (Incidentally, that's a much bigger outcome difference than they found in the Pfizer clinical trials -- which showed zero actual health outcome benefits).

    Part of the reason may be numbers, says Doshi. Because most people with symptomatic covid-19 infections experience only mild symptoms, even trials involving 30,000 or more patients would turn up relatively few cases of severe disease.

    “Hospitalisations and deaths from covid-19 are simply too uncommon in the population being studied for an effective vaccine to demonstrate statistically significant differences in a trial of 30,000 people,” he adds. “The same is true regarding whether it can save lives or prevent transmission: the trials are not designed to find out.” https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/covid-19-vaccine-trials-cannot-tell-us-if-they-will-save-lives/
     
    On the other hand, more recently:

    The analysis included 11 studies with 58,620,611 subjects in which COVID-19 vaccination correlated with an increased risk of myocarditis or pericarditis. The study showed a greater risk of myocarditis or pericarditis in individuals who received the second dose of COVID-19 vaccine compared with those who only received the first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine.

    Compared to unvaccinated individuals , myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccines were 2.13-fold higher (95% CI=1.55, 2.94; I2= 92.5%; p<0.001). https://www.pharmacytimes.com/view/higher-incidence-of-myocarditis-pericarditis-found-after-covid-19-vaccination
     
    The fact that people like you are pushing dangerous sh*t into the bodies of healthy children and young adults with a statistical 0% risk of covid death "shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics."

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mike Tre

    snippy D still thinks that mutilating the genitals of infant boys is backed by science.

  88. @AnotherDad
    @PeterIke


    By the way, not only have the harms of the vaccines been categorically proven by statistical evidence, we are now also beginning to understand the mechanisms of action that cause the harm.
     
    Links? Good ones, not internet nonsense.

    One of the obviously useless/bogus deals is the "more of the vaxxed are dying" kind of thing. That's a given. That simplistic stuff is the anti-vax version of BLM style nonsense. Just like blacks are way way more involved in violent crime than other folks, the vaxxed will skew heavily old, and in any given age bracket will skew to the people who are less healthy (obese, diabetes, cancer survivors, immuno-compromised, etc.). So relative to the whole population the vaxxed should be dying more, just like the cops should be killing blacks more.

    The other necessary thing it has to be "compared to what?" Specifically, the real comparison is getting Covid without the vax. In simple terms you want to compare like to like. Given me say "healthy 50 year olds" and then the buckets "got the vax in the spring '21" and "remained un-vaxxed". See those death rates. Then those need to be split into "got Covid" and "didn't get Covid".

    My general take here is that the Fauci virus definitely attacks vascular tissues and seems to cause some serious problems--even beyond the immediate infection--in some small minority of the population. I'm quite willing to believe that turning people's cells into little spike protein factories for a day or two is indeed quite negative and knocking a bunch of people over the edge. However, getting a Covid infection is the same thing--only more so, because your cells are hijacked to create a self-replicating virus (not just the spike) which goes on hijacking your cells turning out copies of itself until your immune system can kill it off. So billions more copies and running on for much longer.

    In the absence of Covid being endemic getting the vax would be nuts. But if--as I do--one assumes that eventually everyone is going to get it (be exposed have the body's immune system fight it off)--like the flu--then the question is getting it vaxxed or unvaxxed? And look at total health return--immediate in wake of vax and/or infection and long term.

    So far, the only credible thing I've seen is the myocarditis in young men. That seems to be a few times worse with the vax then it is getting Covid cold (unvaxxed). It is--my understanding--mostly recovered from. But it's a good argument for young men not getting vaxxed, especially if they've had Covid already. (My son and prospectively son-in-law--both fit young men--already had the Fauci, before the vax was out, so I think unwise for them to get vaxxed.)

    ~~

    The final thing is mechanism? Why would the vax be worse than Covid infection itself? That's would seemingly have to be either quantity or quality issue. Quantity would seem to be off the table. And actual Covid infection would hijack way way more of your cells for much much longer as it is self-replicating. So the culprit seemingly would have to be something about either having the spike "unmoored" from the virus? Or the nature of the spike stabilization itself? (And would suggest the benefit of a whole--killed or disabled--virus vax as preferred.)


    This sort of stuff--full epidemiological data so we can really look break this down and easily compare like to like and figure out "what works" and "is there a problem here", is of course what the CDC should be doing. Unfortunately ... that's not our CDC.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Mike Tre

    sometimes i think you should change your handle to anotherjackd

  89. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    “We (Coke) will give you money. You need to paint opponents of us as racist.”

    Well, did Coke's plan work? Let's have a list of Coke's opponents who are considered racist. Pepsi? Big Milk (the dairy industry)? RC Cola? Fanta?

    Replies: @Larry, San Francisco, @Peter Akuleyev, @Ben Kurtz

  90. @obwandiyag
    As usual you buried the lede. By not even getting to it.

    "Sugary drinks are one of the top causes of obesity and diabetes."

    But let us express our freedom and drink a hundred thousand big gulps and then charge up the taxpayer for all your hospitalizations.

    It's freedom! FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Bingo. Selling these drinks at all is evil. So why would anyone be surprised that they’d pay race hustlers to cry racism?

  91. @JohnnyWalker123
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://www.businessinsider.com/naacp-joins-soda-ban-lawsuit-2013-1

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/nyregion/fight-over-bloombergs-soda-ban-reaches-courtroom.html

    Check out the above links.

    "Civil Rights" groups are increasingly becoming grift operations.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Barnard, @Ben Kurtz

    “Civil Rights” groups are increasingly becoming grift operations.

    “Becoming,” kemosabe?

    [Cue up the”always has been” meme.]

  92. @R.G. Camara
    @JR Ewing

    Your buddy is an asshole and not your friend. He tells you what you need to hear and tells them what they need to hear.

    He's rich and powerful enough to speak out and stop this, or at least leave under protest, but he dutifully nods his head, repeats the Marxist nonsense, and collects his check.

    Cowards like your friend are exactly how we got here.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    I wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s not my friend, but I do agree with the cowardly label.

  93. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    Well now you are moving the goal posts. You are still wrong, but at least you are talking about statistical evidence and not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill of a single anecdote.

    Do you know what Damar Hamlin got hit with a lot more recently than the vax? He got hit with a blow to his chest during a collision with a receiver on the opposing team shortly before he collapsed. This, and not a tiny little shot that was excreted from his body months ago, is probably what caused him to collapse according to doctors. But pinning it on a hit to the chest wouldn't suit your agenda.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/health/damar-hamlin-cardiac-arrest-arrhythmia.html

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @AnotherDad, @Bonny, @Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    Alex Berenson demolishes the “hit in the chest” argument here.

    On Damar Hamlin, mRNA shots, and spin.

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/on-damar-hamlin-mrna-shots-and-spin

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jim Don Bob

    Please, the first rule of holes is to stop digging. This young man's life hangs in the balance and you are trying to make hay out of his tragedy for your stupid pet cause. Have you no shame?

    , @Jack D
    @Jim Don Bob

    BTW, do you take us for idiots? Here is the video, judge for yourself. A seemingly healthy man (#3 in white) collides with another man, then 3 seconds later he collapses:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1Z9Vd53yhI

    Is the cause of his collapse the hit he received 3 seconds ago or the vaccine he received 6 months ago?

    The next time you slug someone in a barroom brawl, try telling the cop that the guy was knocked out because of the vax, not because you slugged him. Let us know how it turns out once you make bail.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  94. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    Well now you are moving the goal posts. You are still wrong, but at least you are talking about statistical evidence and not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill of a single anecdote.

    Do you know what Damar Hamlin got hit with a lot more recently than the vax? He got hit with a blow to his chest during a collision with a receiver on the opposing team shortly before he collapsed. This, and not a tiny little shot that was excreted from his body months ago, is probably what caused him to collapse according to doctors. But pinning it on a hit to the chest wouldn't suit your agenda.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/health/damar-hamlin-cardiac-arrest-arrhythmia.html

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @AnotherDad, @Bonny, @Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    Well now you are moving the goal posts. You are still wrong, but at least you are talking about statistical evidence and not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill of a single anecdote.

    A big problem here is that we don’t actually have the statistical evidence. Because the CDC–our establishment–just hasn’t done its job–for which thousands of bureaucrats are well paid.

    There absolutely no reason we shouldn’t have a public searchable database that containing the data for everyone dying, hospitalized, having some non-hospitalized reaction, testing positive for covid (or for that matter the flu, etc.).

    Researchers should be able to just zip through this thing and see the effect of the vaccine on deaths, hospitalizations, or any particular pathology (myocarditis) for any particular demographic slice. As well as other questions like heart attacks and cancer and obesity. Or breast cancer and childbirth vs. abortion. Etc. etc. etc. Instead, researchers have to try and find ways to pull together a sample and find ways to get proper controls and make it representative–with very mixed success and confidence.

    This is the basic stuff that is one of the few advantages of having a hulking 4 trillion dollar/year government. Hey, it can collect data and from that data you can answer questions that you can’t answer from anecdote. Whether it’s cops shooting people, or blacks shooting people, or people getting fat, or covid vaccines.

    But we pay our 4 trillion and diddly.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad wrote to Jack D:


    A big problem here is that we don’t actually have the statistical evidence. Because the CDC–our establishment–just hasn’t done its job–for which thousands of bureaucrats are well paid.

    There absolutely no reason we shouldn’t have a public searchable database that containing the data for everyone dying, hospitalized, having some non-hospitalized reaction, testing positive for covid (or for that matter the flu, etc.).
     
    Well, there is a reporting system -- "VAERS."

    But it does not work.

    I do not think I have mentioned this before, but I had a stroke 27 hours after getting the first Covid shot.

    I have a close family member who is a physician who tried to report this on the VAERS system. It took this family member hours to get the system to accept the report. We are still not sure that my case was actually counted.

    And this family member is a physician with nearly three decades in private practice.

    Most people would not have been able to figure out how to make the report at all.

    Please note: I am not claiming that I have proof that my stroke was caused by the Covid shot.

    But my case should be part of the data taken into account. And the government makes it exceedingly difficult to make the report.

    Jack D will claim that my case is just an "anecdote."

    Yes, but the plural of "anecdote" is "data."

    And the VAERS system makes it very difficult to acquire the needed data.
  95. @Jim Don Bob
    @Jack D

    Alex Berenson demolishes the "hit in the chest" argument here.

    On Damar Hamlin, mRNA shots, and spin.

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/on-damar-hamlin-mrna-shots-and-spin

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D

    Please, the first rule of holes is to stop digging. This young man’s life hangs in the balance and you are trying to make hay out of his tragedy for your stupid pet cause. Have you no shame?

  96. @Dr. DoomNGloom
    @PhysicistDave


    Big government is inevitably corrupt government.
    Because it is really worth bribing big government.
     
    True and concise.
    But I think the problem you describe is not only real, but also deeper than bribing government. When survival is at stake, nothing is off the table.

    Therefore, when government wields great power over your life or business, this leads to widespread corruption because the cost of failure is existential . The corruption includes not only government, but politics, and social norms.

    As we have seen, it's not just bribing the government, but bribing, corrupting, or perverting every conceivable institution and brainwashing every possible person. Republican government doesn't require Marquis of Queensbury rules, but there need to be some norms and limits on how the battles are fought.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Dr. DoomNGloom wrote to me:

    Therefore, when government wields great power over your life or business, this leads to widespread corruption because the cost of failure is existential . The corruption includes not only government, but politics, and social norms.

    Yeah.

    A broader issue that I have been thinking about is that we have created a largely “zero-sum” society in which people’s goals — especially the goals of upper-middle-class young people — is to make it into a fixed number of positions.

    Bright, ambitious kids have to shape their high-school experience to give them a shot at getting into one of the HYPS or at least one of the “public Ivies.” We have a fixed number of slots in law or med schools. And not everyone can become a DIE officer or a green consultant, or whatever.

    It didn’t use to be this way. My great-grandmother, whom I knew quite well, was born on a farm. If you worked hard, and had good luck with the weather and with pests, you would have a good harvest. If your neighbor also had a good harvest, this did not diminish your harvest.

    And being a skilled, manipulative bullshitter improved your harvest not a whit.

    It’s not like that anymore.

    Of course, there are still people who deal with physical reality: farmers, truck drivers, airplane mechanics, engineers, etc.

    But, with the exception of some medical specialties, those are not the prestige occupations.

    Those are the “Dirt People.”

    Middle-class people aspire to their kids becoming “Cloud People,” people who make a living by using words to control and manipulate other people, guys like our friends Jack D., Corvinus, HA, et al.

    And you become one of the successful “Cloud People” by showing your ability to play politics and manipulate other people, and, more often then not, by outright lying and cheating and engaging in illegal behavior (all of this is more common even among physicians than most people realize).

    This ultimately goes back to governmental policies that create these positions or artificially limit access to these positions.

    We have willfully created a situation in which the dominant class of our population is a “parasitic verbalist overvlass” that despises the ordinary people who make our material lives possible.

    And all this horrifically warps people’s character and their lives, especially for young people.

    It is no wonder that so many young people are engaging in self-harm, such as “cutting.”

    This cannot go on forever.

    And what cannot go on forever, won’t.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @PhysicistDave


    "Middle-class people aspire to their kids becoming “Cloud People,” people who make a living by using words to control and manipulate other people, guys like our friends Jack D., Corvinus"
     
    Be fair. I can imagine Jack making money as a lawyer, he's obviously pretty bright even if he has his ethnic hangups.

    But the online persona presenting as Coronavirus is a moronic timewaster. If he's like that in real life, I doubt he's making much. And if he's paid to clog up the threads, they're not getting much for their money.

    Your main point is spot-on though. Maybe 15 years ago we sat in our financial office and said "why aren't we working for people who make things - like maybe a car company?".

    Then we all laughed - because we knew there was more money in the UK working on shuffling money and financial instruments around rather than physical objects.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  97. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Well now you are moving the goal posts. You are still wrong, but at least you are talking about statistical evidence and not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill of a single anecdote.
     
    A big problem here is that we don't actually have the statistical evidence. Because the CDC--our establishment--just hasn't done its job--for which thousands of bureaucrats are well paid.

    There absolutely no reason we shouldn't have a public searchable database that containing the data for everyone dying, hospitalized, having some non-hospitalized reaction, testing positive for covid (or for that matter the flu, etc.).

    Researchers should be able to just zip through this thing and see the effect of the vaccine on deaths, hospitalizations, or any particular pathology (myocarditis) for any particular demographic slice. As well as other questions like heart attacks and cancer and obesity. Or breast cancer and childbirth vs. abortion. Etc. etc. etc. Instead, researchers have to try and find ways to pull together a sample and find ways to get proper controls and make it representative--with very mixed success and confidence.

    This is the basic stuff that is one of the few advantages of having a hulking 4 trillion dollar/year government. Hey, it can collect data and from that data you can answer questions that you can't answer from anecdote. Whether it's cops shooting people, or blacks shooting people, or people getting fat, or covid vaccines.

    But we pay our 4 trillion and diddly.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    AnotherDad wrote to Jack D:

    A big problem here is that we don’t actually have the statistical evidence. Because the CDC–our establishment–just hasn’t done its job–for which thousands of bureaucrats are well paid.

    There absolutely no reason we shouldn’t have a public searchable database that containing the data for everyone dying, hospitalized, having some non-hospitalized reaction, testing positive for covid (or for that matter the flu, etc.).

    Well, there is a reporting system — “VAERS.”

    But it does not work.

    I do not think I have mentioned this before, but I had a stroke 27 hours after getting the first Covid shot.

    I have a close family member who is a physician who tried to report this on the VAERS system. It took this family member hours to get the system to accept the report. We are still not sure that my case was actually counted.

    And this family member is a physician with nearly three decades in private practice.

    Most people would not have been able to figure out how to make the report at all.

    Please note: I am not claiming that I have proof that my stroke was caused by the Covid shot.

    But my case should be part of the data taken into account. And the government makes it exceedingly difficult to make the report.

    Jack D will claim that my case is just an “anecdote.”

    Yes, but the plural of “anecdote” is “data.”

    And the VAERS system makes it very difficult to acquire the needed data.

  98. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    Well now you are moving the goal posts. You are still wrong, but at least you are talking about statistical evidence and not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill of a single anecdote.

    Do you know what Damar Hamlin got hit with a lot more recently than the vax? He got hit with a blow to his chest during a collision with a receiver on the opposing team shortly before he collapsed. This, and not a tiny little shot that was excreted from his body months ago, is probably what caused him to collapse according to doctors. But pinning it on a hit to the chest wouldn't suit your agenda.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/health/damar-hamlin-cardiac-arrest-arrhythmia.html

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @AnotherDad, @Bonny, @Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    Hello Jack,

    It may surprise you to learn that in American football hundreds of collisions occur every game! It can be a very entertaining game, although I admit there are quite a few ads. Check it out some time!

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Bonny

    I understand this. I also understand that 95% of NFL players have received the Covid vaccine and this guy was the only one who collapsed so far.

    It was obviously a freak accident. According to medical authorities, if you get hit in the right spot at the exact right moment in your heartbeat, it can knock you into atrial fibrillation.

    Does it make any sense at all to think that it's a coincidence that the guy collapsed 3 seconds after getting hit but the Covid vaccine just happened to stop his heart at that moment even though he was vaccinated months ago? Look, I am used to people around here believing really stupid things, but that is especially stupid.

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan

  99. Sugar May be White, But It’s Not Racist

    Does that mean fortunes descendant from sugar plantations are exempt from reparations?

  100. @Hypnotoad666
    OT: Tonight a player on the 100% vaccinated Buffalo Bill's suffered a heart attack after a routine tackle and either died suddenly or is fighting for his life. https://youtu.be/fbAIR9faV3o

    But the really important thing is that we don't allow people to exploit this event to cast doubt on the safety and effectiveness of the vaxx. If Hamlin hadn't been vaccinated his eventual case of covid could have been slightly worse. So let's keep things in perspective.

    Replies: @Kim, @HammerJack, @R.G. Camara, @TWS, @Jack D, @Veteran Aryan, @International Jew

    A lot of Football players are hopped up on amphetamines. Seems to me that’s a more likely culprit for his heart failure, than any Covid vaccine.

  101. What, Coca-Cola isn’t black enough?

  102. @Jim Don Bob
    @Jack D

    Alex Berenson demolishes the "hit in the chest" argument here.

    On Damar Hamlin, mRNA shots, and spin.

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/on-damar-hamlin-mrna-shots-and-spin

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D

    BTW, do you take us for idiots? Here is the video, judge for yourself. A seemingly healthy man (#3 in white) collides with another man, then 3 seconds later he collapses:

    Is the cause of his collapse the hit he received 3 seconds ago or the vaccine he received 6 months ago?

    The next time you slug someone in a barroom brawl, try telling the cop that the guy was knocked out because of the vax, not because you slugged him. Let us know how it turns out once you make bail.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Jack D

    there are literally hundreds of collisions like this or even more violent per game. find one other instance where this type of thing happened, precovid.

    there really is no limit to the depths of your dishonesty, or stupidity, or both.

  103. @Jack D
    @Jim Don Bob

    BTW, do you take us for idiots? Here is the video, judge for yourself. A seemingly healthy man (#3 in white) collides with another man, then 3 seconds later he collapses:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1Z9Vd53yhI

    Is the cause of his collapse the hit he received 3 seconds ago or the vaccine he received 6 months ago?

    The next time you slug someone in a barroom brawl, try telling the cop that the guy was knocked out because of the vax, not because you slugged him. Let us know how it turns out once you make bail.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    there are literally hundreds of collisions like this or even more violent per game. find one other instance where this type of thing happened, precovid.

    there really is no limit to the depths of your dishonesty, or stupidity, or both.

  104. Anon[322] • Disclaimer says:

    The conversations inside these rooms was depressingly transactional:

    “We (Coke) will give you money. You need to paint opponents of us as racist.”

    Was this when the NAACP was still mostly run by its Jewish founders?

    I find it hard to believe that a nonprofit run by whites, even Jewish whites, would go along with such an overtly stated quod pro quo. It would be a major faux pas to state it so bluntly. You’d have to present it with a straight face with some sort of bullshit “research” about how blacks enjoy soda at their gatherings, so they’d have suitable ass covering and guilt assuaging.

    Blacks on the other hand I can completely buy that you could just bribe them.

  105. @Bonny
    @Jack D

    Hello Jack,

    It may surprise you to learn that in American football hundreds of collisions occur every game! It can be a very entertaining game, although I admit there are quite a few ads. Check it out some time!

    Replies: @Jack D

    I understand this. I also understand that 95% of NFL players have received the Covid vaccine and this guy was the only one who collapsed so far.

    It was obviously a freak accident. According to medical authorities, if you get hit in the right spot at the exact right moment in your heartbeat, it can knock you into atrial fibrillation.

    Does it make any sense at all to think that it’s a coincidence that the guy collapsed 3 seconds after getting hit but the Covid vaccine just happened to stop his heart at that moment even though he was vaccinated months ago? Look, I am used to people around here believing really stupid things, but that is especially stupid.

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
    @Jack D


    Does it make any sense at all to think that it’s a coincidence that the guy collapsed 3 seconds after getting hit but the Covid vaccine just happened to stop his heart at that moment even though he was vaccinated months ago?
     
    Since you're obviously claiming that myocarditis can't be a contributing factor to commotio cordis, can you show us a link to support that? Or do you have the same level of evidence as the antivaxxers?
  106. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Nope, nope. I gotta agree with Peter on this. All vaccines, not just the Covid vax, are a Jew conspiracy ( did you know that vaxes turn you gay, BTW?) so all proper Jew haters should stay away from all vaccines. Make sure your kids don't get them either. Just tell them that vaccines are against your religion.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The Nazis were indeed anti-Vaxxers. It went hand in hand with their enthusiasm for all kinds of alternative/new age medicines/diets/treatments. Hippies with guns.

    (I think Jello Biafra wrote a song about this.)

  107. Anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    Well now you are moving the goal posts. You are still wrong, but at least you are talking about statistical evidence and not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill of a single anecdote.

    Do you know what Damar Hamlin got hit with a lot more recently than the vax? He got hit with a blow to his chest during a collision with a receiver on the opposing team shortly before he collapsed. This, and not a tiny little shot that was excreted from his body months ago, is probably what caused him to collapse according to doctors. But pinning it on a hit to the chest wouldn't suit your agenda.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/health/damar-hamlin-cardiac-arrest-arrhythmia.html

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @AnotherDad, @Bonny, @Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    There’s a Wikipedia article about athletes who drop dead on the field, complete with a table of cases going back a couple of decades, and another table of a dozen kinds of cardiac problems that were implicated. To blame the vaccine you’d have a nontrivial bit of statistical and medical work to do to surface vax deaths from all these other deaths. By the way, one line of research is why a disproportionate number of the victims are blacks.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anon


    To blame the vaccine you’d have a nontrivial bit of statistical and medical work to do to surface vax deaths from all these other deaths.
     
    Or you could just go straight to blaming the vaccine like the anti-vaxxers did. That way you can instantly hijack a shocking tragedy for the benefit of your cause. No hard work needed.
  108. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @PeterIke


    Jew Jabs
     
    That's a new one. You should trademark that, maybe even get a shirt printed - "No Jew Jabs in Me!"

    Yes, Mr. P, that's right. All God fearing, Jew hating white Christians should avoid the Jew Jab. Especially if you are elderly. Also make sure you never wear a mask.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “Jew Jab” is a favorite phrase of former Unz columnist Linh Dinh. I don’t know if he coined it, but he uses it all the time. He has a Substack blog and a Blogger blog, the latter mostly photos of his travels. PeterIke may have picked up the phrase from reading him.
    He says he doesn’t dislike Jews, only “Jewish thinking,” however he defines that.

  109. @Known Fact
    https://www.theonion.com/coca-cola-introduces-new-30-liter-size-1819564066

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @Inquiring Mind

    The new plastic bottle is nearly four feet tall, and weighs 274 pounds when filled with Coke. In development tests, it took an average of three men to lift the new bottle. The product will fit in an average refrigerator, but only when all other products and shelving have been removed.

    Thanks for the laugh, man.

  110. @Mr. Anon
    OT - Nothing to see here:

    Monday Night Football Postponed After Bills' Hamlin Collapses, Receives CPR On Field

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/monday-night-football-postponed-after-bills-hamlin-collapses-receives-cpr-field
     
    Happens all the time.

    You'd have to go back to 1971 for an NFL player who had a heart attack on the field:

    https://richmond.com/sports/professional/5-other-on-field-medical-emergencies-in-nfl-history/article_8982154f-4053-53ec-bfe9-615b3e90f2e7.html

    Monday Night Football .................................... brought to you by Pfizer

    https://endpts.com/pfizer-sacks-pharma-competition-in-early-nfl-tv-advertising-season/

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    Tbh, I was at first more concerned that they stopped the actual game just ’cause the guy had to be rushed to the hospital. I then thought, nah, it’s not my NFL anymore, they have can their concern-frown shit-show for all I care.

  111. @PeterIke
    @Jack D


    The fact that any given vaccinated individual drops dead neither proves nor disproves that the vaccine kills you.

     

    Yet strangely, more young people are dying from heart disease than ever before, and heart damage rates are off the charts. Hmmmm. Climate change I guess. Must be also why we're seeing so many cases of highly accelerated cancers.

    In fact it doesn’t prove anything at all and the fact that you think that it does only shows the depth of your ignorance and total lack of understanding of science and statistics.
     
    Lol! Anything to protect the Jew Jabs, right Jack?

    By the way, not only have the harms of the vaccines been categorically proven by statistical evidence, we are now also beginning to understand the mechanisms of action that cause the harm. But keep saying "safe and effective" while "unexpected" deaths skyrocket.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad, @Johann Ricke

    Lol! Anything to protect the Jew Jabs, right Jack?

    Technically-speaking, the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is a Turk Jab, given that the scientists responsible are a Turkish couple.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/business/biontech-covid-vaccine.html

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Johann Ricke


    the scientists responsible are a Turkish couple.
     
    Correction: The (mostly German) scientists responsible worked for the Turkish couple.

    The NYT won't tell you this because it gets in the way of their Narrative.
    , @Veteran Aryan
    @Johann Ricke

    I'm waiting for Mr. T's vaccine to come out, the Jibba Jab.

  112. @Anon
    @Jack D

    There’s a Wikipedia article about athletes who drop dead on the field, complete with a table of cases going back a couple of decades, and another table of a dozen kinds of cardiac problems that were implicated. To blame the vaccine you’d have a nontrivial bit of statistical and medical work to do to surface vax deaths from all these other deaths. By the way, one line of research is why a disproportionate number of the victims are blacks.

    Replies: @Jack D

    To blame the vaccine you’d have a nontrivial bit of statistical and medical work to do to surface vax deaths from all these other deaths.

    Or you could just go straight to blaming the vaccine like the anti-vaxxers did. That way you can instantly hijack a shocking tragedy for the benefit of your cause. No hard work needed.

  113. @Bill Jones
    @AnotherDad


    Why would the vax be worse than Covid infection itself?
     
    Why the question? The vax is not a vax, it is unrelated to Covid, it is totally new "gene therapy" it is not an attenuated version of the virus which is what the definition of a vaccination was before it was "redefined".
    It's impact is in no way limited or related to that of covid.

    It is not efficacious, it is not safe, it does not prevent transmission and it is not a vaccine.

    Here's a clue, if you have to redefine a word, you're lying.
    Talk to any "Liberal".

    Replies: @Nico

    The vax is not a vax, it is unrelated to Covid, it is totally new “gene therapy” it is not an attenuated version of the virus which is what the definition of a vaccination was before it was “redefined”… Here’s a clue, if you have to redefine a word, you’re lying.

    Unrelated to COVID… that’s debatable. The mRNA is generated from an engineered plasmid DNA, yes, but if the sequencing were knowingly derived from COVID could it really be said to be “unrelated”?

    And if you’re going to get technical you could say that nothing without a live cowpox virus should ever be called a “vaccine.” Early methods of smallpox inoculation included live smallpox viruses and the practice was aptly called “variolation.”

    That said I will grant that COVID mRNA inoculations (if you don’t like the term “vaccine”) are new technology encapsulated in new technology and that this alone should have been enough to shut down the blackmail (“vaccine” mandates). Even so, I’ve yet to hear a full-on, blanket “HARMFUL!” argument that sounded biochemically literate.

  114. @Jim Don Bob
    @Old Prude

    Here is KW's story from 2013.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/12/white-ghetto-kevin-d-williamson/

    Replies: @Old Prude

    Thanks. I am sure I read it at the time. I was a long time subscriber to NR, thinking they were on my side. Then along came Trump and blew their cover. They really had me fooled.

  115. @Jack D
    @Bonny

    I understand this. I also understand that 95% of NFL players have received the Covid vaccine and this guy was the only one who collapsed so far.

    It was obviously a freak accident. According to medical authorities, if you get hit in the right spot at the exact right moment in your heartbeat, it can knock you into atrial fibrillation.

    Does it make any sense at all to think that it's a coincidence that the guy collapsed 3 seconds after getting hit but the Covid vaccine just happened to stop his heart at that moment even though he was vaccinated months ago? Look, I am used to people around here believing really stupid things, but that is especially stupid.

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan

    Does it make any sense at all to think that it’s a coincidence that the guy collapsed 3 seconds after getting hit but the Covid vaccine just happened to stop his heart at that moment even though he was vaccinated months ago?

    Since you’re obviously claiming that myocarditis can’t be a contributing factor to commotio cordis, can you show us a link to support that? Or do you have the same level of evidence as the antivaxxers?

  116. @PhysicistDave
    @Dr. DoomNGloom

    Dr. DoomNGloom wrote to me:


    Therefore, when government wields great power over your life or business, this leads to widespread corruption because the cost of failure is existential . The corruption includes not only government, but politics, and social norms.
     
    Yeah.

    A broader issue that I have been thinking about is that we have created a largely "zero-sum" society in which people's goals -- especially the goals of upper-middle-class young people -- is to make it into a fixed number of positions.

    Bright, ambitious kids have to shape their high-school experience to give them a shot at getting into one of the HYPS or at least one of the "public Ivies." We have a fixed number of slots in law or med schools. And not everyone can become a DIE officer or a green consultant, or whatever.

    It didn't use to be this way. My great-grandmother, whom I knew quite well, was born on a farm. If you worked hard, and had good luck with the weather and with pests, you would have a good harvest. If your neighbor also had a good harvest, this did not diminish your harvest.

    And being a skilled, manipulative bullshitter improved your harvest not a whit.

    It's not like that anymore.

    Of course, there are still people who deal with physical reality: farmers, truck drivers, airplane mechanics, engineers, etc.

    But, with the exception of some medical specialties, those are not the prestige occupations.

    Those are the "Dirt People."

    Middle-class people aspire to their kids becoming "Cloud People," people who make a living by using words to control and manipulate other people, guys like our friends Jack D., Corvinus, HA, et al.

    And you become one of the successful "Cloud People" by showing your ability to play politics and manipulate other people, and, more often then not, by outright lying and cheating and engaging in illegal behavior (all of this is more common even among physicians than most people realize).

    This ultimately goes back to governmental policies that create these positions or artificially limit access to these positions.

    We have willfully created a situation in which the dominant class of our population is a "parasitic verbalist overvlass" that despises the ordinary people who make our material lives possible.

    And all this horrifically warps people's character and their lives, especially for young people.

    It is no wonder that so many young people are engaging in self-harm, such as "cutting."

    This cannot go on forever.

    And what cannot go on forever, won't.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “Middle-class people aspire to their kids becoming “Cloud People,” people who make a living by using words to control and manipulate other people, guys like our friends Jack D., Corvinus”

    Be fair. I can imagine Jack making money as a lawyer, he’s obviously pretty bright even if he has his ethnic hangups.

    But the online persona presenting as Coronavirus is a moronic timewaster. If he’s like that in real life, I doubt he’s making much. And if he’s paid to clog up the threads, they’re not getting much for their money.

    Your main point is spot-on though. Maybe 15 years ago we sat in our financial office and said “why aren’t we working for people who make things – like maybe a car company?”.

    Then we all laughed – because we knew there was more money in the UK working on shuffling money and financial instruments around rather than physical objects.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @YetAnotherAnon

    YetAnotherAnon wrote to me:


    But the online persona presenting as Coronavirus is a moronic timewaster. If he’s like that in real life, I doubt he’s making much. And if he’s paid to clog up the threads, they’re not getting much for their money.
     
    Well, yeah.

    But he is making a living somehow, and pretty clearly not as a farmer or auto mechanic. Farmers and mechanics don't -- can't! -- talk the way he does.

    He has implied that he is an educrat of some sort -- perhaps a public-school bureaucrat, perhaps some sinecure in the testing industry.

    Anyway, I am not claiming that parasites like these guys make more than they could make as plumbers but simply that they are indeed making a living as parasites.

    At the expense of plumbers and other productive people.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  117. @reactionry
    @Reg Cæsar

    "strivers"

    Reg Caesar might have been relieved to learn that in spite of the apparent striving of Deborah Anderson of the Harvard School of Medicine for an "Ig Nobel" Prize in Chemistry in the 1980s, evidence is lacking for contraceptive efficacy of Coca Cola Douches.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14864-coca-cola-douches-scoop-ig-nobel-prize/

    A vinyl of the below is lurking around here somewhere. Clicking on Play is not advised.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YJmUZXGxD0

    Also see: Coca Cola, obesity, Fatty Arbuckle

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Achmed E. Newman

    Between this and the goat commercial video, you guys made my day. I’m still smiling! Thanks.

  118. @Elli
    Can't find the article, but read that two liter sodas were used as currency in depressed parts of Kentucky and West Virginia. Get them with food stamps, trade for cigarettes, meth, prostitutes.

    I keep thinking packaged beef jerky would make a more convenient specie, but they must have their reasons.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Almost Missouri, @JR Ewing, @Achmed E. Newman

    two liter sodas were used as currency in depressed parts of Kentucky and West Virginia. Get them with food stamps, trade for cigarettes, meth, prostitutes.

    Perhaps that can be explained quite simply by Reactionary’s comment above.

  119. @PhysicistDave
    @JohnnyWalker123

    JohnnyWalker123 asked:


    It’s unfortunate to see how easy it is to bribe leading authority figures in the USA. I wonder why bribery and corruption are so pervasive at the top. Is it because American society has become so comically greedy that the mentality is to make money at any cost? Is it because the competition for elite jobs is so extreme that typically only the unscrupulous get to the top?
     
    Both of those.

    But the biggest reason is even more obvious: if the government has an enormous amount of power, enough power to easily make or break your business, then you have a fiduciary obligation to influence the government by any means necessary to protect your stockholders.

    Or in simpler language:

    Big government is inevitably corrupt government.

    Because it is really worth bribing big government.

    Replies: @Dr. DoomNGloom, @Achmed E. Newman

    I am clean out of [Agree]s right now, but that is the essence of all of this. You are a true Libertarian, Dave. Whether you want to admit that around here or not is another story …

  120. NBA HoFer John Stockton on vaccines:



    Video Link

  121. @Johann Ricke
    @PeterIke


    Lol! Anything to protect the Jew Jabs, right Jack?
     
    Technically-speaking, the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is a Turk Jab, given that the scientists responsible are a Turkish couple.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/business/biontech-covid-vaccine.html

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Veteran Aryan

    the scientists responsible are a Turkish couple.

    Correction: The (mostly German) scientists responsible worked for the Turkish couple.

    The NYT won’t tell you this because it gets in the way of their Narrative.

  122. @New Dealer
    @Ben tillman

    Ben tillman wrote:


    Fighting words are spoken, not written.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words

    Fighting words are written or spoken words intended to incite hatred or violence from their target.
     
    https://freespeech.fandom.com/wiki/Fighting_words

    Fighting words are written or spoken words, generally expressed to incite hatred or violence and to place the targets of the words in danger of harm.
     
    etc.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ben tillman

    Fighting words are spoken words. Your sources are ridiculous.

    Fighting words are written or spoken words intended to incite hatred or violence from their target.

    No. They are intended to insult the person to whom they are spoken, but by their nature they can be expected to result in a passionate, violent response.

    Fighting words are written or spoken words, generally expressed to incite hatred or violence and to place the targets of the words in danger of harm.

    No. That is completely unrelated to the concept of fighting words. Fighting words are insults that involve no one other than the speaker and the person to whom they are spoken. They do not put anyone in danger of harm. By their very nature hey cause harm to the person to whom they are spoken.

  123. @New Dealer
    @Ben tillman

    Ben tillman wrote:


    Fighting words are spoken, not written.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words

    Fighting words are written or spoken words intended to incite hatred or violence from their target.
     
    https://freespeech.fandom.com/wiki/Fighting_words

    Fighting words are written or spoken words, generally expressed to incite hatred or violence and to place the targets of the words in danger of harm.
     
    etc.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ben tillman

    It is exactly as I recall from law school. From Black’s Law Dictionary (5th edition) (emphasis added):

    Fighting words, which may constitutionally be prohibited, are words directed to the person of the HEARER which would have a tendency to cause acts of violence by the person to whom, individually, the remark is addressed.

    Conchito v. City of Tulsa, 521 P. 2d 1384, 1388.

    Fighting words, by their very utterance, inflict injury or tend to cite an immediate breach of the peace. Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568.

  124. @Johann Ricke
    @PeterIke


    Lol! Anything to protect the Jew Jabs, right Jack?
     
    Technically-speaking, the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is a Turk Jab, given that the scientists responsible are a Turkish couple.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/business/biontech-covid-vaccine.html

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Veteran Aryan

    I’m waiting for Mr. T’s vaccine to come out, the Jibba Jab.

    • LOL: cool daddy jimbo
  125. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    Well now you are moving the goal posts. You are still wrong, but at least you are talking about statistical evidence and not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill of a single anecdote.

    Do you know what Damar Hamlin got hit with a lot more recently than the vax? He got hit with a blow to his chest during a collision with a receiver on the opposing team shortly before he collapsed. This, and not a tiny little shot that was excreted from his body months ago, is probably what caused him to collapse according to doctors. But pinning it on a hit to the chest wouldn't suit your agenda.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/health/damar-hamlin-cardiac-arrest-arrhythmia.html

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @AnotherDad, @Bonny, @Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    New York Times says its “probably” not Vaxx related. Never saw that coming. LOL.

    But I love how it’s wrong to jump to medical conclusions . . . except when our nation’s leading purveyor of disinformation and propaganda does it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    "But what about-ism" is always the wrong approach, whether your are talking about vaccines or Ukraine or anything. If someone is doing something wrong, the correct approach is to condemn their wrongdoing, not to emulate it yourself. This is something that is taught to every six year old.

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @Inquiring Mind, @Hypnotoad666

  126. @YetAnotherAnon
    @PhysicistDave


    "Middle-class people aspire to their kids becoming “Cloud People,” people who make a living by using words to control and manipulate other people, guys like our friends Jack D., Corvinus"
     
    Be fair. I can imagine Jack making money as a lawyer, he's obviously pretty bright even if he has his ethnic hangups.

    But the online persona presenting as Coronavirus is a moronic timewaster. If he's like that in real life, I doubt he's making much. And if he's paid to clog up the threads, they're not getting much for their money.

    Your main point is spot-on though. Maybe 15 years ago we sat in our financial office and said "why aren't we working for people who make things - like maybe a car company?".

    Then we all laughed - because we knew there was more money in the UK working on shuffling money and financial instruments around rather than physical objects.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    YetAnotherAnon wrote to me:

    But the online persona presenting as Coronavirus is a moronic timewaster. If he’s like that in real life, I doubt he’s making much. And if he’s paid to clog up the threads, they’re not getting much for their money.

    Well, yeah.

    But he is making a living somehow, and pretty clearly not as a farmer or auto mechanic. Farmers and mechanics don’t — can’t! — talk the way he does.

    He has implied that he is an educrat of some sort — perhaps a public-school bureaucrat, perhaps some sinecure in the testing industry.

    Anyway, I am not claiming that parasites like these guys make more than they could make as plumbers but simply that they are indeed making a living as parasites.

    At the expense of plumbers and other productive people.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @PhysicistDave

    I suppose it's possible... just...


    (A daughter had a politics A-level* teacher who would make a big thing about how unintelligent George W Bush was. I said to her - just think, if he'd been more intelligent he could have been a sixth form politics teacher!)

    * in UK, A-levels are the last leg of the school journey, taken aged 17-18. "O-levels", aged 15-16, determine whether you get an interview or offer from university, A-levels determine whether you in fact get in. Grade inflation has been massive over the years, both in schools and universities, so if a kid gets a first it's hard to know just how good that is. When I was at uni some courses would only award a first every couple of years.

  127. @PhysicistDave
    @YetAnotherAnon

    YetAnotherAnon wrote to me:


    But the online persona presenting as Coronavirus is a moronic timewaster. If he’s like that in real life, I doubt he’s making much. And if he’s paid to clog up the threads, they’re not getting much for their money.
     
    Well, yeah.

    But he is making a living somehow, and pretty clearly not as a farmer or auto mechanic. Farmers and mechanics don't -- can't! -- talk the way he does.

    He has implied that he is an educrat of some sort -- perhaps a public-school bureaucrat, perhaps some sinecure in the testing industry.

    Anyway, I am not claiming that parasites like these guys make more than they could make as plumbers but simply that they are indeed making a living as parasites.

    At the expense of plumbers and other productive people.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    I suppose it’s possible… just…

    (A daughter had a politics A-level* teacher who would make a big thing about how unintelligent George W Bush was. I said to her – just think, if he’d been more intelligent he could have been a sixth form politics teacher!)

    * in UK, A-levels are the last leg of the school journey, taken aged 17-18. “O-levels”, aged 15-16, determine whether you get an interview or offer from university, A-levels determine whether you in fact get in. Grade inflation has been massive over the years, both in schools and universities, so if a kid gets a first it’s hard to know just how good that is. When I was at uni some courses would only award a first every couple of years.

  128. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D

    New York Times says its "probably" not Vaxx related. Never saw that coming. LOL.

    But I love how it's wrong to jump to medical conclusions . . . except when our nation's leading purveyor of disinformation and propaganda does it.

    Replies: @Jack D

    “But what about-ism” is always the wrong approach, whether your are talking about vaccines or Ukraine or anything. If someone is doing something wrong, the correct approach is to condemn their wrongdoing, not to emulate it yourself. This is something that is taught to every six year old.

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
    @Jack D


    But what about-ism” is always the wrong approach
     
    That's not a nice thing to say about your go-to.
    , @Inquiring Mind
    @Jack D

    What-about-ism is the correct response to the election of Mr. George Santos to Congress, the real-life version of George Costanza ("It isn't a lie, if you believe it to be true") from the old Seinfeld TV program.

    His but-hurt opponent who lost what he thought was a "safe seat" to Mr. Santos, I guess, was so sure in his reelection that he didn't bother to do any "oppo" research?

    The loser of that seat is as much as admitting that President Biden's administration has been such a Dumpster fire, that the down-ballot effect was losing the seat to a man who ran the table with everything about his credentials and background that he could possibly lie about?

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D

    Very cute how you changed the subject to what about-sim. Meta-sophistry.

  129. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    "But what about-ism" is always the wrong approach, whether your are talking about vaccines or Ukraine or anything. If someone is doing something wrong, the correct approach is to condemn their wrongdoing, not to emulate it yourself. This is something that is taught to every six year old.

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @Inquiring Mind, @Hypnotoad666

    But what about-ism” is always the wrong approach

    That’s not a nice thing to say about your go-to.

  130. @Known Fact
    https://www.theonion.com/coca-cola-introduces-new-30-liter-size-1819564066

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @Inquiring Mind

    Not only is The Onion no longer funny, their writers are no longer numerate.

    30 litres of what is mainly water weighs 30 kilograms, which works out to 66 pounds. This is an amount an able-bodied male should be able to lift, maybe at the risk of injuring their back trying reach forward to place it on a refrigerator shelf.

    30 litres is a bit under 8 gallons, which works out to a bit more than a cubic foot. A refrigerator with 18 cubic foot capacity (I looked up a model at Best Buy but don’t see the breakdown with the freezer compartment) is not unusual. A 30 litre bottle of soda would easily fit in the fridge, but you may need to move a shelf depending on how tall the bottle, and placing a 66 pound load should go where it doesn’t overload a shelf.

    That said, it doesn’t weigh anything close to the 274 lbs mentioned in the article.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Inquiring Mind

    Of course as soon as you attempt to analyze humor it's not funny anymore.

    But you're right that they could have used numbers that make more sense. Going with their number of a bottle that is 4 feet tall, it would have to be really skinny (like 15 inches in diameter - like the proportions of a wine bottle) to contain only 274 lbs. of liquid (conservatively assuming that the cylindrical portion is only 1 meter high) - nothing like the proportions shown in the fake photo. If you make the diameter a more realistic 2 ft then the liquid weighs 620 lbs. and has a volume of 74 gallons or 280 liters - a little bigger than your hot water heater tank. (BTW, your hot water tank which is 40 or 50 gals. is really heavy when it is full).

    But these guys were all English majors. Math is hard.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Inquiring Mind

    274 lbs would be close to the weight of 30 gallons of Coke (assuming it weighs the same 8.4 lbs per gallon as water). So I think they initially got lost in the metric conversion.

    But the joke only works if the new jumbo-size is denominated in liters because it's supposed to be a massive scale-up of the standard two-liter bottle. So they had to decide on what was the funniest-sounding number of liters and the funniest sounding weight. 66 lbs isn't funny. But neither is 113 liters (274-ish lbs of Coke), because it's not a round number. They probably talked through all these issues in their version of the "writer's room."

    They could also have gone really big with 200 liters (440 lbs) or 300 liters (660 lbs). Personally, I think the 300 liter/660 lb. joke would have been funniest. But they wimped out.

    Furthermore, since they brought it up, this allegedly preposterous idea is actually pretty good. It's basically like having a big keg of Coke on tap. You'd need a pressure release tap and hand pump like on a beer keg (ah, the memories). But the economies of scale would be great (sounds like something they would carry at Costco). And they are 100% correct that the marketing attention of the monster bottle would be terrific.

  131. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    "But what about-ism" is always the wrong approach, whether your are talking about vaccines or Ukraine or anything. If someone is doing something wrong, the correct approach is to condemn their wrongdoing, not to emulate it yourself. This is something that is taught to every six year old.

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @Inquiring Mind, @Hypnotoad666

    What-about-ism is the correct response to the election of Mr. George Santos to Congress, the real-life version of George Costanza (“It isn’t a lie, if you believe it to be true”) from the old Seinfeld TV program.

    His but-hurt opponent who lost what he thought was a “safe seat” to Mr. Santos, I guess, was so sure in his reelection that he didn’t bother to do any “oppo” research?

    The loser of that seat is as much as admitting that President Biden’s administration has been such a Dumpster fire, that the down-ballot effect was losing the seat to a man who ran the table with everything about his credentials and background that he could possibly lie about?

  132. @Inquiring Mind
    @Known Fact

    Not only is The Onion no longer funny, their writers are no longer numerate.

    30 litres of what is mainly water weighs 30 kilograms, which works out to 66 pounds. This is an amount an able-bodied male should be able to lift, maybe at the risk of injuring their back trying reach forward to place it on a refrigerator shelf.

    30 litres is a bit under 8 gallons, which works out to a bit more than a cubic foot. A refrigerator with 18 cubic foot capacity (I looked up a model at Best Buy but don't see the breakdown with the freezer compartment) is not unusual. A 30 litre bottle of soda would easily fit in the fridge, but you may need to move a shelf depending on how tall the bottle, and placing a 66 pound load should go where it doesn't overload a shelf.

    That said, it doesn't weigh anything close to the 274 lbs mentioned in the article.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666

    Of course as soon as you attempt to analyze humor it’s not funny anymore.

    But you’re right that they could have used numbers that make more sense. Going with their number of a bottle that is 4 feet tall, it would have to be really skinny (like 15 inches in diameter – like the proportions of a wine bottle) to contain only 274 lbs. of liquid (conservatively assuming that the cylindrical portion is only 1 meter high) – nothing like the proportions shown in the fake photo. If you make the diameter a more realistic 2 ft then the liquid weighs 620 lbs. and has a volume of 74 gallons or 280 liters – a little bigger than your hot water heater tank. (BTW, your hot water tank which is 40 or 50 gals. is really heavy when it is full).

    But these guys were all English majors. Math is hard.

  133. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    "But what about-ism" is always the wrong approach, whether your are talking about vaccines or Ukraine or anything. If someone is doing something wrong, the correct approach is to condemn their wrongdoing, not to emulate it yourself. This is something that is taught to every six year old.

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan, @Inquiring Mind, @Hypnotoad666

    Very cute how you changed the subject to what about-sim. Meta-sophistry.

  134. @Inquiring Mind
    @Known Fact

    Not only is The Onion no longer funny, their writers are no longer numerate.

    30 litres of what is mainly water weighs 30 kilograms, which works out to 66 pounds. This is an amount an able-bodied male should be able to lift, maybe at the risk of injuring their back trying reach forward to place it on a refrigerator shelf.

    30 litres is a bit under 8 gallons, which works out to a bit more than a cubic foot. A refrigerator with 18 cubic foot capacity (I looked up a model at Best Buy but don't see the breakdown with the freezer compartment) is not unusual. A 30 litre bottle of soda would easily fit in the fridge, but you may need to move a shelf depending on how tall the bottle, and placing a 66 pound load should go where it doesn't overload a shelf.

    That said, it doesn't weigh anything close to the 274 lbs mentioned in the article.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666

    274 lbs would be close to the weight of 30 gallons of Coke (assuming it weighs the same 8.4 lbs per gallon as water). So I think they initially got lost in the metric conversion.

    But the joke only works if the new jumbo-size is denominated in liters because it’s supposed to be a massive scale-up of the standard two-liter bottle. So they had to decide on what was the funniest-sounding number of liters and the funniest sounding weight. 66 lbs isn’t funny. But neither is 113 liters (274-ish lbs of Coke), because it’s not a round number. They probably talked through all these issues in their version of the “writer’s room.”

    They could also have gone really big with 200 liters (440 lbs) or 300 liters (660 lbs). Personally, I think the 300 liter/660 lb. joke would have been funniest. But they wimped out.

    Furthermore, since they brought it up, this allegedly preposterous idea is actually pretty good. It’s basically like having a big keg of Coke on tap. You’d need a pressure release tap and hand pump like on a beer keg (ah, the memories). But the economies of scale would be great (sounds like something they would carry at Costco). And they are 100% correct that the marketing attention of the monster bottle would be terrific.

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