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Racial discrimination among Black mock jurors, from Rice et al. 2021 JOP
L.J Zigerell Posted on July 12, 2021 Posted in Race 2 Comments
Forthcoming at the Journal of Politics is Rice et al. 2021 “Same As It Ever Was? The Impact of Racial Resentment on White Juror Decision-Making“.
The study focuses on potential racist bias among white jurors, but, Zigerell implies, holy cow, are black jurors ever bigoted.
Rice et al. 2021 concerned a mock juror experiment regarding an 18-year-old starting point guard on his high school basketball team who was accused of criminal battery. Participants indicated whether the defendant was guilty or not guilty and suggested a prison sentence length from 0 to 60 months for the defendant. The experimental manipulation was that the target was randomly assigned to be named Bradley Schwartz or Jamal Gaines.
Methodologically, “Bradley Schwartz” is a bad choice of a white name since many Schwartzes are Jewish, which pointlessly adds a potentially complicating factor. “Bradley Schultz” or “Bradley Schmidt” are good can-only-be-white names that are generally not Jewish, but, being German, could be either Protestant or Catholic, while say “Bradley Kowalski” would read Catholic and “Bradley Huntington” would read Protestant: i.e., a non-Jewish German surname is pretty close to generic white.
… The experiment did not detect sufficient evidence of racial bias among White participants as a whole. But what about Black participants? Results indicated a relatively large favoring of Jamal over Bradley among Black participants, in unweighted data (N=41 per condition). For guilt, the bias was 29 percentage points in unweighted analyses, and 33 percentage points in weighted analyses. For sentence length, the bias was 8.7 months in unweighted analyses, and 9.4 months in weighted analyses, relative to a unweighted standard deviation of 16.1 months in sentence length among Black respondents.
The white mock jurors were slightly biased in favor of the black version of the defendant, but the black mock jurors were hugely biased:
If this pattern of black bigotry in the jury room replicates, it would seem like a rather major problem for the American criminal justice system. But don’t expect much attention to be paid: our mindsets these days are so dominated by presumptions about who are the Good Guys (blacks) and who are the Bad Guys (whites) that it’s increasingly difficult for Americans to even consider counter-evidence. The brain simply refuses to do the work of thinking through potentially cancellable thoughts.
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Please explain what mean sentence length addresses.
1 standard deviation indicating width of the distribution is indicated.Replies: @Anonymous
A lot of Polish names will have the same problem in terms as being read as Jewish. Generally an Anglo, Dutch, Nordic, Irish, Scottish or Italian surname would probably be better even if the mean white American has a German surname.
Though antipathy might change in terms of regional history. An Irish surname might raise more antipathy in say Boston where the ethnic conflict with busing and in general might be more in peoples minds, same with an Anglo or Scottish name in parts of the South.
It would also be interesting how they’d react to somebody with a white but in 2021 ‘immigrant’ coded name like a Balkan or non-Polish slavic name. Would they more or less lenient? I’d imagine less lenient as even if said person’s ancestors had nothing to do with American history, there is still they deep ingrained resentment of people we see as illegitimate in their presence. The white people who were already here is one thing, white people who are just showing up is another, people get more annoyed.
Russkies and Krauts: Moon Landing would be Cool!
Cosmic Journey (1936)
Woman in the Moon (1929)
Wernher von Braun: “Ve Can Do it!”
I Aim at the Stars (1960)
Trip to the Moon (1955)
Full Speed Ahead!
Moon Machines
July 16, 1969
Though antipathy might change in terms of regional history. An Irish surname might raise more antipathy in say Boston where the ethnic conflict with busing and in general might be more in peoples minds, same with an Anglo or Scottish name in parts of the South.
It would also be interesting how they'd react to somebody with a white but in 2021 'immigrant' coded name like a Balkan or non-Polish slavic name. Would they more or less lenient? I'd imagine less lenient as even if said person's ancestors had nothing to do with American history, there is still they deep ingrained resentment of people we see as illegitimate in their presence. The white people who were already here is one thing, white people who are just showing up is another, people get more annoyed.Replies: @Anonymous, @PaceLaw
Well, yes, those people are Johnny-come-lately competitors with Black people for the resources here. Whereas Black people owe their good fortune in existing at all, and in residing in the wealthiest country in the world, to people with Anglo and Scottish surnames (and to antebellum Jews, both those within America and those transoceanic merchants outside America).
Impartial justice is one of those WASP things people who can’t do are always bitching how they don’t have nice things.
Isn’t this what critical studies would predict? I.e., the employment of a supposedly objective and neutral process, the jury trial, to assert power and domination. When everyone believes that it’s all made up like The Matrix, then everyone will act that way and will assume that it’s what everyone else is doing too.
I expect the black jurors assume that what they are doing is precisely what the white jurors would do in the same circumstances.
So critical studies WOULD predict that both groups would favor the black version of the defendant?
Black jurors and white jurors DID DO the same thing but one by a larger amount.
So I'm unclear on what it is you're implying.Replies: @Giant Duck
Me, in the dock: “Your honor, it appears this is not a jury of my peers”, as I unflatten and don a smuggled Burger King crown …
Many black folks have a whole lot of “payback” in mind when it comes to criminal justice matters. The combination of the widely-held beliefs of racist cops and systemic oppression leads to trying to overcompensate by “helping a brotha out“ when it comes to crime and punishment. The most famous example is of course the OJ jury verdict back in 1995 that found him not guilty despite the overwhelming evidence the state presented. The majority of blacks rejoiced.
Black and white jurors gave near-identical sentences to blacks. It was sentencing whites where they diverged. Whites gave similar sentences to whites as to black, whereas blacks were much harsher on whites. So it's much more about retribution than helpfulness.Replies: @John Johnson, @Anon
our mindsets these days are so dominated by presumptions about who are the Good Guys (blacks) and who are the Bad Guys (whites)
‘Our’ mindsets aren’t. The mentality is common among blacks and common among a segment of the professional-managerial stratum (and is everywhere among people in gatekeeper positions).
I suspect what you’re looking at is the segment of the black population who fancy their feral youths are not properly subject to the authorities, because the authorities are people of lower status.
Honestly, I would have mistaken Schulz for Jewish and, at least on odd-numbered days of the month, Schmidt also. So there’d need to be more thought put into name selection to account for dummies like me.
Blacks are nice people. Don’t judge all Blacks based on the absolutely incomprehensible levels of violence, race hatred, ignorance and total dysfunction of a few.
Look at South Africa, only a tiny, tiny percentage of the Zulu African-Americans are burning, looting and destroying everything in sight. If you want to see normal Black behavior, please observe your advertisements on your TV, magazines and online. These are the overwhelming majority of Blacks.
Remember when President Trump was “racist” for preferring that a Hispanic American judge not be in charge of his Trump U case? I thought he was being reasonable, and there could certainly be bias against a defendant who the media was called racist for things like “They’re not sending their best.” But the balance in American jurisprudence is that you cannot force recusal over race or ethnicity. Bias in cases is bad, perceived bias against officers of the court is bad and reduces social cohesion, and the rule just ends up being the social cohesion is more important here.
But criminal cases involving biased jurors is another thing, especially since Soros DAs are not even bringing blacks to trial and whites are being hunted down for prosecution. Michael Levin’s book “Why Race Matters” offers a reasoned argument for statistical discrimination, like here where you couldn’t say a juror is biased, but you could say black jurors are on the whole very likely to be biased.
Though antipathy might change in terms of regional history. An Irish surname might raise more antipathy in say Boston where the ethnic conflict with busing and in general might be more in peoples minds, same with an Anglo or Scottish name in parts of the South.
It would also be interesting how they'd react to somebody with a white but in 2021 'immigrant' coded name like a Balkan or non-Polish slavic name. Would they more or less lenient? I'd imagine less lenient as even if said person's ancestors had nothing to do with American history, there is still they deep ingrained resentment of people we see as illegitimate in their presence. The white people who were already here is one thing, white people who are just showing up is another, people get more annoyed.Replies: @Anonymous, @PaceLaw
At the other end of the spectrum, isn’t the “randomly assigned“ name of Jamal Gaines the blackest ever? Has anyone met a white person named Jamal in these United States??? The people behind this study should’ve just used “black teenager” or “white teenager” as opposed to using such stereotypical and tendentious names.
It’d be interesting to see the resultsfor other permutatikns and combinations; Hispanics, Asian, clearly Jewish whites, et al.
Offhand, I’ll pick Hispanics to be not noticeably biased against whites, clearly biased against Asians, inclined to assume blacks are guilty, and unable to differentiate between gentile and Jewish whites.
So why are blacks allowed to serve on juries?
As I said to my Connecticut-native colleagues, after winning the pool with not-guilty on day one, when verdict in the OJ trial was announced, “Did you really expect something else from that jury?”
… FFS.
Why not Bradley Davies, or Bradley Baker, Bradley Greene, or Bradley Aspinall?
Schwarz was not chosen accidentally: there was no meeting in which study designers met and all agreed that ‘Schwartz’ would be a neutral name for the Great White Defendant.
Interesting that black pseudo-jurors think that a crime committed by a white (or potentially (((white))) ) defendant reflects greater moral culpability – as evidenced by the greater punishment selected.
If whites are biased against Jews - Publish and press release!
If whites are biased against blacks - Publish
If whites are not biased against blacks and Jews - publish in a less-prestigious journal. Hope no one reads
If Jews are biased against whites or blacks - leave them out of the paper entirely
It is also possible that no one in sociology ever studies Jewish people per se. What could possibly be interesting about such a tiny minority? Would you want to? Anything you say gets you cancelled.
I do have some sympathy for blacks serving on juries trying a white defendant. Blacks are fairly highly concentrated in places with not very many whites. If a white defendant has a few blacks on the jury, thei bias won’t much affect the others - at least it would not have pre-great awokening. If there are lots of blacks on the jury, then that means he came into their neighborhoods to commit crime. Inter-community violence is worse than in group violence. By making the defendant a point guard on a basketball team, and not saying whom he allegedly battered, the mock jurors, white and black may have thought this was an interracial crime, which would influence both groups, very possibly differently.
To be a fairer assessment of bias, perhaps the defendant should not have been an athlete in the blackest sport. Black jurors may have been defending their cultural turf. Plus, white point guard? Please. That looks like an obvious switch from what the (Lilly white? Sheltered? small college town?) researchers thought was a stereotypical black activity. It looks like a poorly thought out switch, like this.
Jamariquis, a 10-year old black boy who plays the violin in a girl#’ orchestra, is part of a Korean after school study group his parents started last year. Jamariquis still speaks English with a Korean accent…
Gee, do you think the sociologists took a typical Korean immigrant girl and switched race and gender? Would that fool anyone?
This sentence of the paper was very telling as to the authors’ mindsetsWhat do they mean by sufficient? If they had said, “…as a whole to show bias of x with statistical significance” Without something like that,it really sounds like they were disappointed with the result. It also seems that they did a bunch of statistical legerdemain to minimize the black subjects’ bias.Replies: @kaganovitch, @anonymous
While scary, we must also remember that 1) this has long been known by criminal attorneys, even if only whispered about in the halls and offices and not declared openly; 2) blacks comprise than 13% of the population; and 3) most blacks seldom get called or show up for jury duty; and 4) most unfair blacks will announce themselves at jury duties that they don’t trust cops or else they have a criminal record or else were victim of “hate” crimes or else dress inappropriately, leading to criminal attorneys to excise them from the jury.
have you considered a meta-plot, like one or more multi-episode themes? Sort of like soap opera, sort of like sci fi like the X Files. I’m thinking not just righting wrongs, but trying to avoid like a calamitous war. Woke War III, if we want it political, but it can just be a cypher for the audience the first (few’) seasons. Maybe they are trying to stop the Leaping Singularity, an accident(?) or last-ditch attack In the war n the year 2xxx or 3xxx that causes everyone on earth to become a Leaper until they die, only the supercomputers and Iggy-style holograms are left. To Terminator? Except the supercomputers are trying to stop the leaping.
The ‘bad guy’ quantum leader won’t be a villainous villain, but intentionally started leaping, knowing he (she) will never go home, maybe he can control when he leaps, because she’s from further in the future? He and his org thinks the Woke War III is inevitable, so they are trying to 1) make the war happen earlier, before super-weapon X is created. 2) set things up so an Elon-musk stand-in manages to set up a Mars, moon, or orbit colony, so some people survive.
Bad guy won’t appear in each episode, so episodes are mostly self-contained. If there are really popular episodes with fans, bad guy can come along and break stuff in that time and place the next season.
We can have them leaping both into the past and into our future, if we want a more sci-fi show, or make it a series of period pieces and costume-porn for the distaff audience.
I don’t want the metaplot to take over the show, because I want it to be accessible to new viewers, which was a strength of QL, and a weakness of most other sci-fi. The meta-plot is to raise the stakes of the show, I feel jaded millennials and Zers don’t have enough empathy to care if the good guy makes it home.
So those were just some thoughts. I’m sure you have it worked out differently and better in your head, but it got creative juices flowing.Replies: @R.G. Camara
I’m shocked. Shocked!
BTW
Biff Baxter
The highest court in NJ just this week had a ruling that will affect jury selection and likely allow more blacks on juries. After a potential juror said a lot of his friends “live that lifestyle,” which meant many of his friends are selling drugs, prosecutors ran a background check and found an open warrant. And yada yada.
https://www.rlsmedia.com/article/nj-supreme-court-selective-background-checks-jurors-are-discriminatory-after-black-newark
If anyone is interested the replication data is available at
https://dataverse.harvard.edu/dataset.xhtml?persistentId=doi:10.7910/DVN/LEV1RR
Had never actually seen this:
Anybody here know Mike Luttig?
“Methodologically, “Bradley Schwartz” is a bad choice of a white name . . .”
How about Haven Monahan?
I want to know why the authors of this paper weren't cancelled for mocking black intelligence. They named their obviously white juror "Schwartz"--ha, ha, let's name the white guy "Mr. Black"--the blacks won't know any German so it won't affect the outcome of the study anyway....
Not sufficient? Well then, we need to run another experiment, right? And another, and another, until we get the result we want.
Then you can think about publishing. That’s how science works.
What about them, racist much? It’s well known that blacks cannot be racist, and if you think they are, well racism is in the eye of the beholder. Especially if the eye is blue.
With regards to the mock jury study, they might take the approach that the phrase "Racially Bigoted Against" should be substituted with "distrustful towards." And who's ultimately responsible for that distrust, hmm?
The unintended logical place they end up, however, is with themselves making a case that it isn't racial bigotry or slavery itself that's bad, it's bigotry or slavery perpetrated by the wrong people against an intrinsically righteous people that's bad.
Crappy methodology.
The “researcher” might as well have tested blacks and whites for bias in calling a painted coin flip.
From the WSJ
Parents vs. the New Racism
An ugly example in Boston of bias against Asian-Americans
Here’s a sign of the progressive times. On Friday federal judge William Young withdrew an earlier opinion approving a temporary new admissions plan for three elite Boston public schools. The new plan substitutes grades and zip codes for a competitive entrance exam, which appears designed to reduce the number of white and Asian-American students.
Judge Young said he took this extraordinary step—the first in his 36-year judicial career—because the school system’s attorneys had misled him by excluding from the court racially charged text messages sent by two Boston School Committee members involved in the admissions decision.
The texts were sent during the virtual meeting when the admissions changes were approved, and they suggest there was racial animus behind the decision. Committee member Lorna Rivera, for example, sent a message to fellow member Alexandra Oliver-Dávila saying she was “sick of westie whites.”
“Me too,” Ms. Oliver-Dávila replied. “I really feel like saying that.” Committee chairman Michael Loconto mocked the Asian names of some of those who commented.
All three have since resigned, and the Boston Parent Coalition for Academic Excellence is hoping the judge will formally reopen the case. Though Judge Young makes clear he may not change his ultimate conclusion, he has also suggested that withholding these texts from the court record is “potentially fraud on the Court.”
Americans are awakening to the reality that, for all their talk about diversity and inclusion, today’s progressives want to discriminate by race. If black and Latino children are not scoring high enough on competitive exams to get into the best public high schools, the progressive answer isn’t to lift achievement or improve K-8 schools. Their answer is to suppress merit—and deny seats to Asian-Americans in particular. The main result is more bitterness, resentment and racial division.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/parents-vs-the-new-racism-11626302095
Like most college admissions bias, it disadvantages whites and asians, but only the Asians can be mentioned.
Well they tried improving the schools with billions upon billions of tax money and have decided that the best course is to blame Whites for everything while putting a cap on Asians.
I have never once heard a Frenchman complain about how his legal system is inferior to the Anglo’s. What a dumb yeoman’s cope.
As Vivian DARKbloom might observe, someone with a first name of "Blanche" could reasonably be suspected of partiality for the Code Napoléon, whereas association of the surname of "Schwarzmann" with preference for Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence is more uncertain. "Blanche Schwartzman" suggests a Jewish identity.
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/palmbeachpost/name/blanche-schwartzman-obituary?pid=193698519
Tags: blank slate of jurors, May the Schwartz be with you
Courtroom scenes in novels often have witnesses and accused dressed and even made-up artfully to hide gang tattoos and otherwise paint lipstick on the besuited Shitavious of the Crips to make him more attractive to jurors. Bradley’s attorney, having weighed the composition of the empaneled 12 peers, may be tempted to counsel him to channel his inner hood rat, darken his skin tone, grow his hair out and cultivate the demeanour and raiments typical of the aspiring rapper.
Especially for aficionados of pub rock.
It’s OK, but….we all know this without any study.
Almost all Washingtons in the U.S. are black (maybe 85% or so).
Concerning your comment, I thought that the most common surname for African-Americans was “Williams.” Are you saying, in fact, that it is “Washington” instead?Replies: @Steve Sailer
https://youtu.be/CvUCC9QUUfY
Lot of people assume Eric Emerson Schmidt (father’s name Wilson, mother’s name Eleanor) must be Jewish because he’s smart and rich.
German Jews seem to be literally a"colorful" bunch: Schwartz, Blau, Gelb, Roth, Grün, Weiss, ... Funny- no Braun .
Also, I don't mean to offend anyone, but their first names are a mixed bag. Not being too informed, just personal impressions:
Beautiful names: Elizabeth, Ariel, Daniel, Raphael, Amira, Illa, Axel, Delilah, Eitan...
Dreadful names: Sarah, Shmuel, Shlomo, Elijah, Abraham, Levi, Noah, Elisha, Tikvah, Chana..
Neutral, not bad names, so-so: David, Leah, Abigail, Deborah, Rebecca, Rachel, Seth,..Replies: @kaganovitch, @Known Fact
I thought all of the Schwartzes were black! 🤣🤣🤣
Bari WEISS, an anti-Trumper who has been a columnist for Die Welt might support your right not to be cancelled for the above.
Tags: D.I.E., SMOD, Die, World! Any portmanteau(?) in a Sturm,
Heute Donald, Morgen Die Welt!
So the name of Jamal Washington would’ve been more preferable? Lol!
Concerning your comment, I thought that the most common surname for African-Americans was “Williams.” Are you saying, in fact, that it is “Washington” instead?
From the data, I’m not seeing “help a brother out” so much as “screw whitey.”
Black and white jurors gave near-identical sentences to blacks. It was sentencing whites where they diverged. Whites gave similar sentences to whites as to black, whereas blacks were much harsher on whites. So it’s much more about retribution than helpfulness.
What if your name happens to be Orenthal James Simpson? Should the defense go for a jury of peers or a combination of maternal instinct and hybristophilia-driven awestruckness?
Why not both:
The racial breakdown of the O J Simpson jury : 9 African-American members, 1 Hispanic, 2 Whites. Breakdown by gender : 10 women, 2 men.
It is the mean value of the sentence length handed out?
1 standard deviation indicating width of the distribution is indicated.
I’ve seen the figure estimated as high as 90%.
In The Geography of Intellect (1963), Well and Possony used “Washington” as the most representative surname for blacks, i.e., with the least statistical interference from others with the name.
The few white Washingtons extant would descend from the Virginia clan, but there are exceptions. Songwriter Ned Washington (“Rawhide”) was the grandson of an Irish-born immigrant whose original name I’ve never been able to find. (Unless it really was Washington. In Ireland?)
Weyl and Possony worked six decades ago. Six days ago, English onomast Patrick Foote put up this video:
“I have never once heard a Frenchman complain about how his legal system is inferior to the Anglo’s.”
As Vivian DARKbloom might observe, someone with a first name of “Blanche” could reasonably be suspected of partiality for the Code Napoléon, whereas association of the surname of “Schwarzmann” with preference for Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence is more uncertain. “Blanche Schwartzman” suggests a Jewish identity.
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/palmbeachpost/name/blanche-schwartzman-obituary?pid=193698519
Tags: blank slate of jurors, May the Schwartz be with you
“I thought all of the Schwartzes were black!”
Bari WEISS, an anti-Trumper who has been a columnist for Die Welt might support your right not to be cancelled for the above.
Tags: D.I.E., SMOD, Die, World! Any portmanteau(?) in a Sturm,
Heute Donald, Morgen Die Welt!
How about Max Mustermann?
Concerning your comment, I thought that the most common surname for African-Americans was “Williams.” Are you saying, in fact, that it is “Washington” instead?Replies: @Steve Sailer
Washington is the old American name with the highest percentage of individuals who are black. There aren’t many Washingtons today, but a large majority of them are black.
Jeez, you people really don’t know anything about what is and isn’t a Jewish name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFf9zF9rVF4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_LMhCiwCLE
I would suggest a two-part study, the first part of which would involve running names through a process to determine what people assume about them. This could be as simple as asking people directly, or more subtle.
The idea that researchers just pluck names out of thin air, assuming that their assumptions are the same as those of their research subjects is completely irresponsible, and doesn’t speak well of their common sense or the assumptions underlying the rest of their study.
This might be relevant:
Another idea is to have a giant names study to create a huge corpus of names, tested against real people, representing different demographics and regions, for use in research with standard name associations listed with each name. This sort of thing is done with job-to-prestige association factors (used as part of determining socio-economic status computations) and calories burned in various occupations per hour for use in studies involving physical activity as part of a person’s life. Every few years the researchers revise their data and publish in a journal, and then other researchers plug the data into their own research.
I don’t care to much about names, but….
German Jews seem to be literally a”colorful” bunch: Schwartz, Blau, Gelb, Roth, Grün, Weiss, … Funny- no Braun .
Also, I don’t mean to offend anyone, but their first names are a mixed bag. Not being too informed, just personal impressions:
Beautiful names: Elizabeth, Ariel, Daniel, Raphael, Amira, Illa, Axel, Delilah, Eitan…
Dreadful names: Sarah, Shmuel, Shlomo, Elijah, Abraham, Levi, Noah, Elisha, Tikvah, Chana..
Neutral, not bad names, so-so: David, Leah, Abigail, Deborah, Rebecca, Rachel, Seth,..
Braun is actually a common Jewish name. I went to yeshiva with a couple of Brauns. There are an even dozen in the Lakewood Nj(wall to wall Jewish town) phone directory. Also 'Elizabeth' and 'Axel' are by no stretch of the imagination Jewish names.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @YetAnotherAnon
Bill James pointed out that most players named Black seem to be white, while most players named White seem to be black
A horse named Jaquavious ran Thursday at Delaware, to my knowledge the first thoroughbred to go postward with such a stereotypically black name. Should blacks be honored or outraged?
As far as the study, wouldn't it have been simpler and less confounding to just use first names -- e.g. Brad and Jamal, maybe test runs with Jose, Mohammed, Shlomo, Thor ...Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @anon
And here’s a telling line
“Sufficient” for what?
favor of the Black defendant over the White one, but Black subjects were far more biased.
“Sufficient evidence” meant that they hoped to find enough evidence to prove the conclusion they were hoping to reach, which would have been that Whites are more bigoted than Blacks. Instead they found the opposite, that both are biased in favor of Blacks but Blacks even more so.
The researchers now find themselves stuck to a study that could be catastrophic for their careers and are trying to spin themselves out of it by claiming they just need more evidence.Replies: @Bill Jones
Why not Bradley Davies, or Bradley Baker, Bradley Greene, or Bradley Aspinall?
Schwarz was not chosen accidentally: there was no meeting in which study designers met and all agreed that 'Schwartz' would be a neutral name for the Great White Defendant.
Interesting that black pseudo-jurors think that a crime committed by a white (or potentially (((white))) ) defendant reflects greater moral culpability - as evidenced by the greater punishment selected.Replies: @Bill Jones, @Triteleia Laxa, @Rob
Perhaps all the black jurors were fluent in German and were punishing the White man for culturally appropriating then name?
In the jury room: solidarity. Out on the street: kill each other over the slightest insult.
Has the Biden administration appointed a single heterosexual protestant white male?
Jewish husband of a close family friend – she’s jewish too – is named Schulz.
Any update on the Chauvin trial orc who admitted to lying to get on the jury?
“The brain simply refuses to do the work of thinking through potentially cancellable thoughts.”
Pattern recognition. Noticing things that the brain recognizes immediately. Where’s Malcolm Gladwell when we need him? He could let us know what all this means and what to do with the information that we’re thinking. Should we go with what our brains are telling us or should we continue to ignore the patterns?
Offhand, I'll pick Hispanics to be not noticeably biased against whites, clearly biased against Asians, inclined to assume blacks are guilty, and unable to differentiate between gentile and Jewish whites.Replies: @ic1000, @Jim Bob Lassiter
This study compared the judgements of White and Black mock-jurors on a charge of battery against a White or Black defendant. Thus, a 2×2 matrix (Wm-j/Wd Wm-j/Bd Bm-j/Wd Bm-j/Bd).
The psychologists could have included the racial identification of the victim.
I suspect this 2x2x2 design was considered and rejected. Did they anticipate that it would make the study’s results so toxic as to be unpublishable? (And some authors likely have upcoming tenure decisions to weigh.)
Also, it's good to have something to write in the future work section of your paper to make it easier to write your next grant proposal :-)
The error bars (84% CI) overlap the mean white , so numerically, this is the kind of result that often fails to replicate. And what does mean percentage mean? Why not just percentage?
I’d check the original data. The chars loses a lot of information, . I’d like to know how they computed the uncertainty.
Haven Monaghan is the perfect moniker for a White Defendant.
How many of the “whites” are jews
https://www.unz.com/runz/xxamerican-pravda-racial-discrimination-at-harvard/Replies: @Art Deco
The 1940 census returns found 125,000 Washingtons in the US. About 75,000 were coded ‘negro’, ‘colored’, or ‘black’. About 5,000 were coded ‘white’. Rest not remarked.
1 standard deviation indicating width of the distribution is indicated.Replies: @Anonymous
It’s the difference between mean values for blacks and whites. So while white jurors tend to prolong the sentence of blacks by a month, black jurors are inclined to sentence whites for 2/3 of the year longer than blacks.
The errors bars used in the paper are not SDs. They are 83.4% confidence intervals – the lengths of error bars that corresponds the p=0.05 of statistical significance level on a paired t-test.
Food for thought:
21 people charged for their roles in the 2017 J20 protests against Trump’s inauguration pleaded guilty. But prosecutors failed to get a single conviction for those cases that went in front of a jury.
The key factor is sympathy. If juries want to effect justice as they see it, they will act accordingly. The Chauvin lynching also comes to mind.
What exactly is the news here?
Another reason to move to Maine , which is still 95% white and just 1% Black.
We’re all racists so we might as well act in our own race’s best interest.
I’d need to see the details of the study, however (and I’m not going to). Who was accused of doing what to whom?
Perhaps black jurors are thinking, “This Jamal idiot needs to get off here so that he doesn’t get his life ruined by being in the legal system.” With the white kid they’re thinking, “This Brad idiot needs to get a whupping so that he doesn’t think he can push other people around in the future.”
We have a legal system, not a justice system, BTW. Justice only occurs in the next life, not here and now. Everyone is aware of this, yes?
An ugly example in Boston of bias against Asian-AmericansHere’s a sign of the progressive times. On Friday federal judge William Young withdrew an earlier opinion approving a temporary new admissions plan for three elite Boston public schools. The new plan substitutes grades and zip codes for a competitive entrance exam, which appears designed to reduce the number of white and Asian-American students.
Judge Young said he took this extraordinary step—the first in his 36-year judicial career—because the school system’s attorneys had misled him by excluding from the court racially charged text messages sent by two Boston School Committee members involved in the admissions decision.The texts were sent during the virtual meeting when the admissions changes were approved, and they suggest there was racial animus behind the decision. Committee member Lorna Rivera, for example, sent a message to fellow member Alexandra Oliver-Dávila saying she was “sick of westie whites.”“Me too,” Ms. Oliver-Dávila replied. “I really feel like saying that.” Committee chairman Michael Loconto mocked the Asian names of some of those who commented.All three have since resigned, and the Boston Parent Coalition for Academic Excellence is hoping the judge will formally reopen the case. Though Judge Young makes clear he may not change his ultimate conclusion, he has also suggested that withholding these texts from the court record is “potentially fraud on the Court.”Americans are awakening to the reality that, for all their talk about diversity and inclusion, today’s progressives want to discriminate by race. If black and Latino children are not scoring high enough on competitive exams to get into the best public high schools, the progressive answer isn’t to lift achievement or improve K-8 schools. Their answer is to suppress merit—and deny seats to Asian-Americans in particular. The main result is more bitterness, resentment and racial division.https://www.wsj.com/articles/parents-vs-the-new-racism-11626302095
Like most college admissions bias, it disadvantages whites and asians, but only the Asians can be mentioned.Replies: @John Johnson, @Hibernian
the progressive answer isn’t to lift achievement or improve K-8 schools. Their answer is to suppress merit—and deny seats to Asian-Americans in particular. The main result is more bitterness, resentment and racial division.
Well they tried improving the schools with billions upon billions of tax money and have decided that the best course is to blame Whites for everything while putting a cap on Asians.
Can I say some things about your Quantum Leap idea?
have you considered a meta-plot, like one or more multi-episode themes? Sort of like soap opera, sort of like sci fi like the X Files. I’m thinking not just righting wrongs, but trying to avoid like a calamitous war. Woke War III, if we want it political, but it can just be a cypher for the audience the first (few’) seasons. Maybe they are trying to stop the Leaping Singularity, an accident(?) or last-ditch attack In the war n the year 2xxx or 3xxx that causes everyone on earth to become a Leaper until they die, only the supercomputers and Iggy-style holograms are left. To Terminator? Except the supercomputers are trying to stop the leaping.
The ‘bad guy’ quantum leader won’t be a villainous villain, but intentionally started leaping, knowing he (she) will never go home, maybe he can control when he leaps, because she’s from further in the future? He and his org thinks the Woke War III is inevitable, so they are trying to 1) make the war happen earlier, before super-weapon X is created. 2) set things up so an Elon-musk stand-in manages to set up a Mars, moon, or orbit colony, so some people survive.
Bad guy won’t appear in each episode, so episodes are mostly self-contained. If there are really popular episodes with fans, bad guy can come along and break stuff in that time and place the next season.
We can have them leaping both into the past and into our future, if we want a more sci-fi show, or make it a series of period pieces and costume-porn for the distaff audience.
I don’t want the metaplot to take over the show, because I want it to be accessible to new viewers, which was a strength of QL, and a weakness of most other sci-fi. The meta-plot is to raise the stakes of the show, I feel jaded millennials and Zers don’t have enough empathy to care if the good guy makes it home.
So those were just some thoughts. I’m sure you have it worked out differently and better in your head, but it got creative juices flowing.
Why not Bradley Davies, or Bradley Baker, Bradley Greene, or Bradley Aspinall?
Schwarz was not chosen accidentally: there was no meeting in which study designers met and all agreed that 'Schwartz' would be a neutral name for the Great White Defendant.
Interesting that black pseudo-jurors think that a crime committed by a white (or potentially (((white))) ) defendant reflects greater moral culpability - as evidenced by the greater punishment selected.Replies: @Bill Jones, @Triteleia Laxa, @Rob
Picking black to mean white is funny. Maybe someone has a sense of humour.
Imagine a Untied States where black and white crimes statistics were in reverse. It would be the news story everyone would want to hear about every single day.
Black and white jurors gave near-identical sentences to blacks. It was sentencing whites where they diverged. Whites gave similar sentences to whites as to black, whereas blacks were much harsher on whites. So it's much more about retribution than helpfulness.Replies: @John Johnson, @Anon
The data itself is questionable because it is a mock trial.
Social simulations are faulty when the participants are aware of the conditions.
The subjects in this case know that they aren’t handing out a real sentence and may be more likely to respond with what they perceive to be the correct answer.
Would be useful to have a Jorge Hernandez variable. How much of this variable is anti-white vs pro-black?
That’s pretty ungrateful, with all that the Jews did for blacks last century.
Does anyone know the Swahili for “Ralph”?
Why not Bradley Davies, or Bradley Baker, Bradley Greene, or Bradley Aspinall?
Schwarz was not chosen accidentally: there was no meeting in which study designers met and all agreed that 'Schwartz' would be a neutral name for the Great White Defendant.
Interesting that black pseudo-jurors think that a crime committed by a white (or potentially (((white))) ) defendant reflects greater moral culpability - as evidenced by the greater punishment selected.Replies: @Bill Jones, @Triteleia Laxa, @Rob
Yeah. Researchers do not write up all their experiments. Was this one pre-registered? There easily could have been a gentile-sounding generic white name that they tested with as well as a Jewish test group.
If whites are biased against Jews – Publish and press release!
If whites are biased against blacks – Publish
If whites are not biased against blacks and Jews – publish in a less-prestigious journal. Hope no one reads
If Jews are biased against whites or blacks – leave them out of the paper entirely
It is also possible that no one in sociology ever studies Jewish people per se. What could possibly be interesting about such a tiny minority? Would you want to? Anything you say gets you cancelled.
I do have some sympathy for blacks serving on juries trying a white defendant. Blacks are fairly highly concentrated in places with not very many whites. If a white defendant has a few blacks on the jury, thei bias won’t much affect the others – at least it would not have pre-great awokening. If there are lots of blacks on the jury, then that means he came into their neighborhoods to commit crime. Inter-community violence is worse than in group violence. By making the defendant a point guard on a basketball team, and not saying whom he allegedly battered, the mock jurors, white and black may have thought this was an interracial crime, which would influence both groups, very possibly differently.
To be a fairer assessment of bias, perhaps the defendant should not have been an athlete in the blackest sport. Black jurors may have been defending their cultural turf. Plus, white point guard? Please. That looks like an obvious switch from what the (Lilly white? Sheltered? small college town?) researchers thought was a stereotypical black activity. It looks like a poorly thought out switch, like this.
Jamariquis, a 10-year old black boy who plays the violin in a girl#’ orchestra, is part of a Korean after school study group his parents started last year. Jamariquis still speaks English with a Korean accent…
Gee, do you think the sociologists took a typical Korean immigrant girl and switched race and gender? Would that fool anyone?
This sentence of the paper was very telling as to the authors’ mindsets
What do they mean by sufficient? If they had said, “…as a whole to show bias of x with statistical significance” Without something like that,it really sounds like they were disappointed with the result. It also seems that they did a bunch of statistical legerdemain to minimize the black subjects’ bias.
I remember reading (Perhaps by Frank Cioffi?) that when J. Edgar Hoover was investigating someone for subversion he had two files. If he turned up evidence of subversion it was filed under 'subversive', if he didn't find evidence of subversion it was filed under 'cunning subversive'. That seems to be what's going on here too.
Black and white jurors gave near-identical sentences to blacks. It was sentencing whites where they diverged. Whites gave similar sentences to whites as to black, whereas blacks were much harsher on whites. So it's much more about retribution than helpfulness.Replies: @John Johnson, @Anon
“Retribution”? For what?
Care to elaborate?
You’ll be waiting a long time for that brother. Some donor needs to endow a prestigious chair for Ted to retire to. Dork Senators were a bad idea. Need horse traders.
I think I’ve noted two white people named Washington in my lifetime. There was a white basketball player in the all white SEC of the mid-60s named Washington.
In the 1980s I knew a young white woman whose maiden name was Washington. Those are the only ones.
German Jews seem to be literally a"colorful" bunch: Schwartz, Blau, Gelb, Roth, Grün, Weiss, ... Funny- no Braun .
Also, I don't mean to offend anyone, but their first names are a mixed bag. Not being too informed, just personal impressions:
Beautiful names: Elizabeth, Ariel, Daniel, Raphael, Amira, Illa, Axel, Delilah, Eitan...
Dreadful names: Sarah, Shmuel, Shlomo, Elijah, Abraham, Levi, Noah, Elisha, Tikvah, Chana..
Neutral, not bad names, so-so: David, Leah, Abigail, Deborah, Rebecca, Rachel, Seth,..Replies: @kaganovitch, @Known Fact
German Jews seem to be literally a”colorful” bunch: Schwartz, Blau, Gelb, Roth, Grün, Weiss, … Funny- no Braun .
Braun is actually a common Jewish name. I went to yeshiva with a couple of Brauns. There are an even dozen in the Lakewood Nj(wall to wall Jewish town) phone directory. Also ‘Elizabeth’ and ‘Axel’ are by no stretch of the imagination Jewish names.
But not about Elizabeth, while you're mostly right about Axel, which is "explained" rather weirdly.
https://www.thebump.com/b/aksel-baby-name
Origin of Aksel
Aksel is a Nordic form of Axel, which derived from Alexander and Absalom.
Meaning of Aksel
Aksel means “my father is peace” (from Hebrew “ab/אָב” = father + “shalom/שָׁלוֹם” = peace) and “defending men” (from ancient Greek “aléxein/ἀλέξειν” = to defend/help + “anēr/ἀνήρ” = man)
https://www.name-doctor.com/name-aksel-meaning-of-aksel-8124.html
aksel
FORM OF:
axel
LANGUAGE FAMILY:
afro-asiatic > semitic > central semitic > hebrew
ORIGIN:
hebrew
NAME ROOT:
'ĂBı̂YSHÂLÔM / 'ABSHÂLÔM > AV SHALOM > 'AVSHALOM
NATIVE NAME ROOT:
AV SHALOM (אָב שָׁלוֹם) 'AVSHALOM (אַבְשָׁלוֹם)
MEANING:
This name derives from the Hebrew "'ăbı̂yshâlôm / 'abshâlôm > av shalom > “'avshalom”, meaning “my father is peace”. Absalom comes from the Old Testament Hebrew given name. It is common as a given name and a surname. 1) He was the father-in-law of Rehoboam. 2) He was the third son of David, killer of first-born son Amnon, also a leader of the revolt against his father “David”.
KEYWORDS:
BIBLICAL
https://www.verywellfamily.com/50-hebrew-baby-names-meanings-and-origins-5080046
Elizabeth
Origin: Hebrew
Meaning: My God is an oath, my God is abundance
Alternative Spellings & Variations: Elisabeth, Liz, Lizzie, Lizette, Lizbeth, Lizbet, Liza, Lise, Liezel, Liesl, Libby, Eliza, Alisa, Beth, Bethany
Famous Namesakes: Queen Elizabeth of England, Elizabeth Taylor, Liza Minelli, Elizabeth Arden
Peak Popularity: Elizabeth has yet to fall out of the top 50, and it reached peak popularity in 1990 when 20,723 were given the name.
Fun fact: Elizabeth is the feminine name derived from a form of the Hebrew name Elisheva.Replies: @kaganovitch
I have a Washington family tree that has 15 generations (George at 11), but it’s pretty sparse on the early ones. It shows 3 males (gen 8) emigrating to Virginia in 1656-8, 2 brothers and a 1st cousin (my ancestor), who came after 10 years in Barbados. Fewer than 20 Washington males in gen 15 (born ~CW to 1910) from George’s ancestor, mine only shows daughters. The other brother’s line petered out early (no records?).
If all the Washington family slaves took that as a surname, of course they’d be much more numerous. Then there were ex-slaves who may have chosen it over their ex-master’s name.
A couple of jurors from the Chauvin trial say “hi”.
If whites are biased against Jews - Publish and press release!
If whites are biased against blacks - Publish
If whites are not biased against blacks and Jews - publish in a less-prestigious journal. Hope no one reads
If Jews are biased against whites or blacks - leave them out of the paper entirely
It is also possible that no one in sociology ever studies Jewish people per se. What could possibly be interesting about such a tiny minority? Would you want to? Anything you say gets you cancelled.
I do have some sympathy for blacks serving on juries trying a white defendant. Blacks are fairly highly concentrated in places with not very many whites. If a white defendant has a few blacks on the jury, thei bias won’t much affect the others - at least it would not have pre-great awokening. If there are lots of blacks on the jury, then that means he came into their neighborhoods to commit crime. Inter-community violence is worse than in group violence. By making the defendant a point guard on a basketball team, and not saying whom he allegedly battered, the mock jurors, white and black may have thought this was an interracial crime, which would influence both groups, very possibly differently.
To be a fairer assessment of bias, perhaps the defendant should not have been an athlete in the blackest sport. Black jurors may have been defending their cultural turf. Plus, white point guard? Please. That looks like an obvious switch from what the (Lilly white? Sheltered? small college town?) researchers thought was a stereotypical black activity. It looks like a poorly thought out switch, like this.
Jamariquis, a 10-year old black boy who plays the violin in a girl#’ orchestra, is part of a Korean after school study group his parents started last year. Jamariquis still speaks English with a Korean accent…
Gee, do you think the sociologists took a typical Korean immigrant girl and switched race and gender? Would that fool anyone?
This sentence of the paper was very telling as to the authors’ mindsetsWhat do they mean by sufficient? If they had said, “…as a whole to show bias of x with statistical significance” Without something like that,it really sounds like they were disappointed with the result. It also seems that they did a bunch of statistical legerdemain to minimize the black subjects’ bias.Replies: @kaganovitch, @anonymous
What do they mean by sufficient? If they had said, “…as a whole to show bias of x with statistical significance” Without something like that,it really sounds like they were disappointed with the result. It also seems that they did a bunch of statistical legerdemain to minimize the black subjects’ bias.
I remember reading (Perhaps by Frank Cioffi?) that when J. Edgar Hoover was investigating someone for subversion he had two files. If he turned up evidence of subversion it was filed under ‘subversive’, if he didn’t find evidence of subversion it was filed under ‘cunning subversive’. That seems to be what’s going on here too.
Batting .500 here!
Get back to me when hung juries, in real criminal trials, become numerous and consistently divide along racial lines.
Otherwise, seat a group of diverse accuseds at the defense table. As though a trial were a game of To Tell The Truth.
Do you see your attacker in this courtroom?
Yes. He’s one of the three seated over there.
See whether juries would acquit #1 but convict #3.
How about a defendant by the name of Flaco Jimenez?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=flaco+jimenez&&view=detail&mid=42084D98271FD9D0C7BC42084D98271FD9D0C7BC&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dflaco%2Bjimenez%26FORM%3DHDRSC3
If whites are biased against Jews - Publish and press release!
If whites are biased against blacks - Publish
If whites are not biased against blacks and Jews - publish in a less-prestigious journal. Hope no one reads
If Jews are biased against whites or blacks - leave them out of the paper entirely
It is also possible that no one in sociology ever studies Jewish people per se. What could possibly be interesting about such a tiny minority? Would you want to? Anything you say gets you cancelled.
I do have some sympathy for blacks serving on juries trying a white defendant. Blacks are fairly highly concentrated in places with not very many whites. If a white defendant has a few blacks on the jury, thei bias won’t much affect the others - at least it would not have pre-great awokening. If there are lots of blacks on the jury, then that means he came into their neighborhoods to commit crime. Inter-community violence is worse than in group violence. By making the defendant a point guard on a basketball team, and not saying whom he allegedly battered, the mock jurors, white and black may have thought this was an interracial crime, which would influence both groups, very possibly differently.
To be a fairer assessment of bias, perhaps the defendant should not have been an athlete in the blackest sport. Black jurors may have been defending their cultural turf. Plus, white point guard? Please. That looks like an obvious switch from what the (Lilly white? Sheltered? small college town?) researchers thought was a stereotypical black activity. It looks like a poorly thought out switch, like this.
Jamariquis, a 10-year old black boy who plays the violin in a girl#’ orchestra, is part of a Korean after school study group his parents started last year. Jamariquis still speaks English with a Korean accent…
Gee, do you think the sociologists took a typical Korean immigrant girl and switched race and gender? Would that fool anyone?
This sentence of the paper was very telling as to the authors’ mindsetsWhat do they mean by sufficient? If they had said, “…as a whole to show bias of x with statistical significance” Without something like that,it really sounds like they were disappointed with the result. It also seems that they did a bunch of statistical legerdemain to minimize the black subjects’ bias.Replies: @kaganovitch, @anonymous
Why should it be? What makes it worse?
By phrasing it that way what they’ve done is imply that Whites are biased, or possibly biased, it’s just that the experiment wasn’t able to detect sufficient evidence of it. They could have instead simply said that no statistically significant evidence of bias in Whites was found.
Look at South Africa, only a tiny, tiny percentage of the Zulu African-Americans are burning, looting and destroying everything in sight. If you want to see normal Black behavior, please observe your advertisements on your TV, magazines and online. These are the overwhelming majority of Blacks.Replies: @Lurker, @mc23
Quite so. And it’s mostly peaceful burning, looting and destroying everything in sight.
Concerns about tenure are plausible. A more charitable explanation is statistical power. The error bars for blacks are quite large, suggesting a low sample size. Manipulating the race of the victim both cuts sample size in half (assuming a black/white distinction), and increases the variance in the data. Both of those effects would further increase the size of the error bars.
Also, it’s good to have something to write in the future work section of your paper to make it easier to write your next grant proposal 🙂
I don’t get the impression that Arabic names like Jamal are very common with black teenagers these days. If I were to guess, I’d say black male teenage names fall into three relatively equal categories: names that are indistinguishable from white names (Jacob, Aiden), less-popular Biblical names (Micah, Jeremiah), and undeniably black names (LaShawn, Trayvon). Jamal would be a 50 year old black man.
In terms of the popularity of names in the black community, instead of an equal 3-way split, I’d say it’s a 60-40 split with undeniably black names starting to pull ahead of traditional names.
https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/babyname.cgi
That is correct. One hundred years ago, a joke about a black man would use a name like Rastus or Sambo. Sixty years ago it would be Leroy or Tyrone. Now it's D'Antwon and DeShawn.Replies: @Detroit Refugee
German Jews seem to be literally a"colorful" bunch: Schwartz, Blau, Gelb, Roth, Grün, Weiss, ... Funny- no Braun .
Also, I don't mean to offend anyone, but their first names are a mixed bag. Not being too informed, just personal impressions:
Beautiful names: Elizabeth, Ariel, Daniel, Raphael, Amira, Illa, Axel, Delilah, Eitan...
Dreadful names: Sarah, Shmuel, Shlomo, Elijah, Abraham, Levi, Noah, Elisha, Tikvah, Chana..
Neutral, not bad names, so-so: David, Leah, Abigail, Deborah, Rebecca, Rachel, Seth,..Replies: @kaganovitch, @Known Fact
Former Brewers slugger Steve Braun is Jewish — nicknamed The Hebrew Hammer
Bill James pointed out that most players named Black seem to be white, while most players named White seem to be black
A horse named Jaquavious ran Thursday at Delaware, to my knowledge the first thoroughbred to go postward with such a stereotypically black name. Should blacks be honored or outraged?
As far as the study, wouldn’t it have been simpler and less confounding to just use first names — e.g. Brad and Jamal, maybe test runs with Jose, Mohammed, Shlomo, Thor …
There aren’t many Jewish athletes at the highest levels.Replies: @Known Fact
Along with two real juries I’ve served on numerous mock juries, and the black participants are a real X factor. The whites on either side of the issue still generally interpret the case along a reasonable continuum of reality, while the blacks range from attentive and even insightful to utter complete babbling idiocy or total withdrawal and non-comprehension.
They’re not the only ones.
https://humanevents.com/2021/07/16/scoop-biden-doj-presentation-teaches-that-inner-city-violence-caused-by-white-supremacist-ideology-racism-and-police/
Bigotry is just another word for recognizing abject weakness.
Don’t like it get less weak.
Someone mentioned giving SA back to Boers. I think this is the video in question:
Offhand, I'll pick Hispanics to be not noticeably biased against whites, clearly biased against Asians, inclined to assume blacks are guilty, and unable to differentiate between gentile and Jewish whites.Replies: @ic1000, @Jim Bob Lassiter
That squares up with my observations and experience, but when the conversation at the party turns towards justice and equality, the People of The Bean will invariably be the first to reflexively virtue signal their anti-racist credentials. They are almost as bad as a White Sociology graduate student in that respect.
On very remarkable exception is an elderly woman I know who is half Dominican and half Haitian. She openly loathes American Negros with a passion.
Then you can think about publishing. That's how science works.What about them, racist much? It's well known that blacks cannot be racist, and if you think they are, well racism is in the eye of the beholder. Especially if the eye is blue.Replies: @J1234
The question is: How can this be spun so that whites are at fault?
That’s definitely one effective approach. For the extreme left, however, it’s a highly regarded art form to corrupt what would appear to be fact or scientific evidence into something that’s a counterintuitive validation of their world view. It comes from their idea that facts and morality dovetail very well with each other (and that the extreme left is so righteous as to be incorruptible.) For example, the left has a preoccupation with the white enslavement of blacks from 150 years ago or more, but largely ignores the black enslavement of blacks in Africa just 20 years ago (and that still happens today) by spinning it this way: One is evil, the other is cultural.
With regards to the mock jury study, they might take the approach that the phrase “Racially Bigoted Against” should be substituted with “distrustful towards.” And who’s ultimately responsible for that distrust, hmm?
The unintended logical place they end up, however, is with themselves making a case that it isn’t racial bigotry or slavery itself that’s bad, it’s bigotry or slavery perpetrated by the wrong people against an intrinsically righteous people that’s bad.
The university is roughly 1/4 Jewish, according to Mr. Ron Unz.
https://www.unz.com/runz/xxamerican-pravda-racial-discrimination-at-harvard/
The experiment showed that both White and Black subjects were biased in
favor of the Black defendant over the White one, but Black subjects were far more biased.
“Sufficient evidence” meant that they hoped to find enough evidence to prove the conclusion they were hoping to reach, which would have been that Whites are more bigoted than Blacks. Instead they found the opposite, that both are biased in favor of Blacks but Blacks even more so.
The researchers now find themselves stuck to a study that could be catastrophic for their careers and are trying to spin themselves out of it by claiming they just need more evidence.
It implied an unrealized hope.
‘…On very remarkable exception is an elderly woman I know who is half Dominican and half Haitian. She openly loathes American Negros with a passion.’
I had a Tanzanian helper once (one of my more exotic recruits). He frankly regarded American blacks as crazy.
Strange days…he spoke this schoolbook English. His comprehension was fine — unless I forgot myself and started using colloquialisms. Then I’d promptly lose him.
Braun is actually a common Jewish name. I went to yeshiva with a couple of Brauns. There are an even dozen in the Lakewood Nj(wall to wall Jewish town) phone directory. Also 'Elizabeth' and 'Axel' are by no stretch of the imagination Jewish names.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @YetAnotherAnon
You’re right about Braun.
But not about Elizabeth, while you’re mostly right about Axel, which is “explained” rather weirdly.
https://www.thebump.com/b/aksel-baby-name
Origin of Aksel
Aksel is a Nordic form of Axel, which derived from Alexander and Absalom.
Meaning of Aksel
Aksel means “my father is peace” (from Hebrew “ab/אָב” = father + “shalom/שָׁלוֹם” = peace) and “defending men” (from ancient Greek “aléxein/ἀλέξειν” = to defend/help + “anēr/ἀνήρ” = man)
https://www.name-doctor.com/name-aksel-meaning-of-aksel-8124.html
aksel
FORM OF:
axel
LANGUAGE FAMILY:
afro-asiatic > semitic > central semitic > hebrew
ORIGIN:
hebrew
NAME ROOT:
‘ĂBı̂YSHÂLÔM / ‘ABSHÂLÔM > AV SHALOM > ‘AVSHALOM
NATIVE NAME ROOT:
AV SHALOM (אָב שָׁלוֹם) ‘AVSHALOM (אַבְשָׁלוֹם)
MEANING:
This name derives from the Hebrew “‘ăbı̂yshâlôm / ‘abshâlôm > av shalom > “’avshalom”, meaning “my father is peace”. Absalom comes from the Old Testament Hebrew given name. It is common as a given name and a surname. 1) He was the father-in-law of Rehoboam. 2) He was the third son of David, killer of first-born son Amnon, also a leader of the revolt against his father “David”.
KEYWORDS:
BIBLICAL
https://www.verywellfamily.com/50-hebrew-baby-names-meanings-and-origins-5080046
Elizabeth
Origin: Hebrew
Meaning: My God is an oath, my God is abundance
Alternative Spellings & Variations: Elisabeth, Liz, Lizzie, Lizette, Lizbeth, Lizbet, Liza, Lise, Liezel, Liesl, Libby, Eliza, Alisa, Beth, Bethany
Famous Namesakes: Queen Elizabeth of England, Elizabeth Taylor, Liza Minelli, Elizabeth Arden
Peak Popularity: Elizabeth has yet to fall out of the top 50, and it reached peak popularity in 1990 when 20,723 were given the name.
Fun fact: Elizabeth is the feminine name derived from a form of the Hebrew name Elisheva.
Bill James pointed out that most players named Black seem to be white, while most players named White seem to be black
A horse named Jaquavious ran Thursday at Delaware, to my knowledge the first thoroughbred to go postward with such a stereotypically black name. Should blacks be honored or outraged?
As far as the study, wouldn't it have been simpler and less confounding to just use first names -- e.g. Brad and Jamal, maybe test runs with Jose, Mohammed, Shlomo, Thor ...Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @anon
Sigh, just don’t try any blacks but make them stay in the hood. And, in the future, seeing how blacks still can’t figure out how to get ID or register to vote, just count how many blacks in in a voting district and give that number of votes to the dem in the race. Saves money.
If all the Washington family slaves took that as a surname, of course they'd be much more numerous. Then there were ex-slaves who may have chosen it over their ex-master's name.Replies: @Paul Mendez
I’m guessing this is the explanation for the majority of the black Washingtons.
favor of the Black defendant over the White one, but Black subjects were far more biased.
“Sufficient evidence” meant that they hoped to find enough evidence to prove the conclusion they were hoping to reach, which would have been that Whites are more bigoted than Blacks. Instead they found the opposite, that both are biased in favor of Blacks but Blacks even more so.
The researchers now find themselves stuck to a study that could be catastrophic for their careers and are trying to spin themselves out of it by claiming they just need more evidence.Replies: @Bill Jones
And that is why they were foolish to use the word “sufficient”.
It implied an unrealized hope.
https://www.unz.com/runz/xxamerican-pravda-racial-discrimination-at-harvard/Replies: @Art Deco
Mr. Unz gets rather shirty about the trio who demonstrated how he’d erred in that calculation.
Braun is actually a common Jewish name. I went to yeshiva with a couple of Brauns. There are an even dozen in the Lakewood Nj(wall to wall Jewish town) phone directory. Also 'Elizabeth' and 'Axel' are by no stretch of the imagination Jewish names.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @YetAnotherAnon
Elizabeth Berkley (Showgirls) is Jewish.
“The white mock jurors were slightly biased in favor of the black version of the defendant…..” this, right here, is just pathetic. White people are our own worst, damn enemies.
I think Irish/Scottish last names would be better examples of neutral American white, because there’s no way they can be read as Jewish, they don’t sound snobby and bring up associations with the dreaded country clubs, and outside of Boston most people cannot tell the subtle differences between Irish vs. Scottish surnames -so no religious associations will automatically come to mind. Plus they are more common than German surnames (which were often anglicized anyway).
Blacks–and other tribal minorities–simply don’t understand white people.
Whites–white gentiles–are a universal people. I.e. a people that made up the entire community, not a subset of it. If we whites think the law/infraction is legit and the guy did it, our sympathies are with protecting the community not some a*hole who might look like us. We want to punish the a*hole and protect the community.
My general orientation toward white criminals is “kill him”; toward black criminals–“kill him”‘; toward Mexican criminals–“kill him”, toward Chinese criminals–“kill him”, toward Indian criminals–“kill him” … Notice a pattern?
Of course, that also makes me a “racist”, “anti-Semite”, “xenophobe”, “homophobe”, “transphobe” … blah, blah, blah … because i do not think my community/nation has any obligation (logical or moral) to tolerate any minority’s non-compliance whatsoever.
I believe–i know–that everyone has a right to live with their own people, according to their own values, norms, culture. For example, Chinese people have no obligation to tolerate me plopping my
big fatskinny white ass down in their turf, nor i them.I expect the black jurors assume that what they are doing is precisely what the white jurors would do in the same circumstances.Replies: @interesting
“The white mock jurors were slightly biased in favor of the black version of the defendant, but the black mock jurors were hugely biased”
So critical studies WOULD predict that both groups would favor the black version of the defendant?
Black jurors and white jurors DID DO the same thing but one by a larger amount.
So I’m unclear on what it is you’re implying.
I seem to remember reading about a technique for doing quick-and-dirty “epidemiological” counting of Jewish people in large lists of names using a special corpus of names designed by some researcher for this purpose, presumably names that have been determined to Jewish enough in practice to be considered Jewish, and omitting names that, while sometimes Jewish, usually aren’t, such things even out in the end and the final “count” is roughly accurate.
Maybe Ron mentioned and used this in one of his projects? It’s kind of coming back to me now.
Googling, I’m finding stuff like:
o The Use and Misuse of Distinctive Jewish Names in Research on Jewish Populations
o Estimating the Jewish Student Population of a College Campus
http://rorotoko.com/interview/20190612_fermaglich_kirsten_on_book_rosenberg_any_other_name_history_jewish/?page=3
A guy named Kohs compiled a list in the 1940s?
https://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-yale-events-and-surname-analysis/
He often refers to Weyl Analysis which is one of the approaches he uses.
Look at South Africa, only a tiny, tiny percentage of the Zulu African-Americans are burning, looting and destroying everything in sight. If you want to see normal Black behavior, please observe your advertisements on your TV, magazines and online. These are the overwhelming majority of Blacks.Replies: @Lurker, @mc23
How else to explain the incredible number of mixed race marriages in TV shows and commercials.
I know there are Jewish women named Elizabeth. I just meant it wasn’t a Jewish name i.e. didn’t have Jewish origins. It seems I was mistaken about that, but that’s what I meant.
But not about Elizabeth, while you're mostly right about Axel, which is "explained" rather weirdly.
https://www.thebump.com/b/aksel-baby-name
Origin of Aksel
Aksel is a Nordic form of Axel, which derived from Alexander and Absalom.
Meaning of Aksel
Aksel means “my father is peace” (from Hebrew “ab/אָב” = father + “shalom/שָׁלוֹם” = peace) and “defending men” (from ancient Greek “aléxein/ἀλέξειν” = to defend/help + “anēr/ἀνήρ” = man)
https://www.name-doctor.com/name-aksel-meaning-of-aksel-8124.html
aksel
FORM OF:
axel
LANGUAGE FAMILY:
afro-asiatic > semitic > central semitic > hebrew
ORIGIN:
hebrew
NAME ROOT:
'ĂBı̂YSHÂLÔM / 'ABSHÂLÔM > AV SHALOM > 'AVSHALOM
NATIVE NAME ROOT:
AV SHALOM (אָב שָׁלוֹם) 'AVSHALOM (אַבְשָׁלוֹם)
MEANING:
This name derives from the Hebrew "'ăbı̂yshâlôm / 'abshâlôm > av shalom > “'avshalom”, meaning “my father is peace”. Absalom comes from the Old Testament Hebrew given name. It is common as a given name and a surname. 1) He was the father-in-law of Rehoboam. 2) He was the third son of David, killer of first-born son Amnon, also a leader of the revolt against his father “David”.
KEYWORDS:
BIBLICAL
https://www.verywellfamily.com/50-hebrew-baby-names-meanings-and-origins-5080046
Elizabeth
Origin: Hebrew
Meaning: My God is an oath, my God is abundance
Alternative Spellings & Variations: Elisabeth, Liz, Lizzie, Lizette, Lizbeth, Lizbet, Liza, Lise, Liezel, Liesl, Libby, Eliza, Alisa, Beth, Bethany
Famous Namesakes: Queen Elizabeth of England, Elizabeth Taylor, Liza Minelli, Elizabeth Arden
Peak Popularity: Elizabeth has yet to fall out of the top 50, and it reached peak popularity in 1990 when 20,723 were given the name.
Fun fact: Elizabeth is the feminine name derived from a form of the Hebrew name Elisheva.Replies: @kaganovitch
Didn’t know that, thanks.
https://www.rlsmedia.com/article/nj-supreme-court-selective-background-checks-jurors-are-discriminatory-after-black-newarkReplies: @Hibernian
So run at least a cursory background check on all jury candidates. I don’t think it would be prohibitively expensive in the current year.
An ugly example in Boston of bias against Asian-AmericansHere’s a sign of the progressive times. On Friday federal judge William Young withdrew an earlier opinion approving a temporary new admissions plan for three elite Boston public schools. The new plan substitutes grades and zip codes for a competitive entrance exam, which appears designed to reduce the number of white and Asian-American students.
Judge Young said he took this extraordinary step—the first in his 36-year judicial career—because the school system’s attorneys had misled him by excluding from the court racially charged text messages sent by two Boston School Committee members involved in the admissions decision.The texts were sent during the virtual meeting when the admissions changes were approved, and they suggest there was racial animus behind the decision. Committee member Lorna Rivera, for example, sent a message to fellow member Alexandra Oliver-Dávila saying she was “sick of westie whites.”“Me too,” Ms. Oliver-Dávila replied. “I really feel like saying that.” Committee chairman Michael Loconto mocked the Asian names of some of those who commented.All three have since resigned, and the Boston Parent Coalition for Academic Excellence is hoping the judge will formally reopen the case. Though Judge Young makes clear he may not change his ultimate conclusion, he has also suggested that withholding these texts from the court record is “potentially fraud on the Court.”Americans are awakening to the reality that, for all their talk about diversity and inclusion, today’s progressives want to discriminate by race. If black and Latino children are not scoring high enough on competitive exams to get into the best public high schools, the progressive answer isn’t to lift achievement or improve K-8 schools. Their answer is to suppress merit—and deny seats to Asian-Americans in particular. The main result is more bitterness, resentment and racial division.https://www.wsj.com/articles/parents-vs-the-new-racism-11626302095
Like most college admissions bias, it disadvantages whites and asians, but only the Asians can be mentioned.Replies: @John Johnson, @Hibernian
Westie whites? Aren’t, or weren’t, the Westies from Manhattan? Sure, they are/were Irish. Do some Bostonians watch too many Mob movies set in New York?
Same is true of Jefferson. There are a fair number of white Jacksons, but I think black Jacksons are more numerous, maybe a lot more numerous. Were President’s surnames an alternative to taking the master’s surname after the Civil War?
How about Haven Monahan?Replies: @Chrisnonymous
Everyone knows Irish used to be black, so could be confusing.
I want to know why the authors of this paper weren’t cancelled for mocking black intelligence. They named their obviously white juror “Schwartz”–ha, ha, let’s name the white guy “Mr. Black”–the blacks won’t know any German so it won’t affect the outcome of the study anyway….
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1416093174804713472?s=20
The more of this you do the more abuse you invite.
Blood in the water.
Elizabeth was the mother of John the Baptist, so I would call its origin Hebrew.
Bill James pointed out that most players named Black seem to be white, while most players named White seem to be black
A horse named Jaquavious ran Thursday at Delaware, to my knowledge the first thoroughbred to go postward with such a stereotypically black name. Should blacks be honored or outraged?
As far as the study, wouldn't it have been simpler and less confounding to just use first names -- e.g. Brad and Jamal, maybe test runs with Jose, Mohammed, Shlomo, Thor ...Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @anon
Braun isn’t Jewish. His mother is Catholic. (Although his father is Jewish.)
There aren’t many Jewish athletes at the highest levels.
There aren’t many Jewish athletes at the highest levels.Replies: @Known Fact
OK, then would you believe Ryan Braun? The original point was about the name Braun being Jewish or not, and it clearly can be
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_Major_League_Baseball_players
As far as few Jews playing at the “highest levels,” we have two just on the Pittsburgh Penguins alone. And former player Gabe Kapler could well be manager of the year with the Giants.
have you considered a meta-plot, like one or more multi-episode themes? Sort of like soap opera, sort of like sci fi like the X Files. I’m thinking not just righting wrongs, but trying to avoid like a calamitous war. Woke War III, if we want it political, but it can just be a cypher for the audience the first (few’) seasons. Maybe they are trying to stop the Leaping Singularity, an accident(?) or last-ditch attack In the war n the year 2xxx or 3xxx that causes everyone on earth to become a Leaper until they die, only the supercomputers and Iggy-style holograms are left. To Terminator? Except the supercomputers are trying to stop the leaping.
The ‘bad guy’ quantum leader won’t be a villainous villain, but intentionally started leaping, knowing he (she) will never go home, maybe he can control when he leaps, because she’s from further in the future? He and his org thinks the Woke War III is inevitable, so they are trying to 1) make the war happen earlier, before super-weapon X is created. 2) set things up so an Elon-musk stand-in manages to set up a Mars, moon, or orbit colony, so some people survive.
Bad guy won’t appear in each episode, so episodes are mostly self-contained. If there are really popular episodes with fans, bad guy can come along and break stuff in that time and place the next season.
We can have them leaping both into the past and into our future, if we want a more sci-fi show, or make it a series of period pieces and costume-porn for the distaff audience.
I don’t want the metaplot to take over the show, because I want it to be accessible to new viewers, which was a strength of QL, and a weakness of most other sci-fi. The meta-plot is to raise the stakes of the show, I feel jaded millennials and Zers don’t have enough empathy to care if the good guy makes it home.
So those were just some thoughts. I’m sure you have it worked out differently and better in your head, but it got creative juices flowing.Replies: @R.G. Camara
The problem with over-arching plots or themes is that they are way over done these days, to the point that you can’t just jump into a show. NCIS, for example, used to have a lot more stand-alone episodes, but then went into season-long and series-long enemies and arcs that make it quite difficult to just flip on an episode. I was actually a hardcore fan of NCIS at the start, but by season 6 or 8 I was bored with the constant soap opera, never ending dramas and storylines.
Quantum Leap was best when it was doing stand-alone episodes/adventures (or a special “two-part” episode), as is Superman and Batman.
Anyway, I have zero hope for any actual Quantum Leap reboot, unless personally helmed by Bellasario (who is retired) / controlled on ION television or some other right-wing force. Since the latter won’t happen, it would be all woke/black/tranny/feminism/anti-white, all the time, with long story arcs about evil white racists ruining everything.
Yawn. Pass.
Can someone with an in to American Jews clue them in on exactly how badly they’re shitting the bed here with this hysteria?
This calls to mind Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s last case before the Supreme Court, Duren v Missouri.
Nearly every state legislature by then had changed its laws to require women to be on juries. Louisiana’s and Missouri’s could not because it wasn’t statute law in those states, but constitutional provision. The voters would have to make the change, and were in no mind to.
Louisiana’s opt-in policy had been declared unconstitutional in Taylor v Louisiana shortly before, and it was Missouri’s turn to defend their opt-out status quo.
The only person in the room interested in an idealistic feminist argument was RBG. Her clients and backers were defense attorneys and criminal defendants– and their mothers– who wanted more women on the jury because they were soft-hearted and less likely to convict and recommend harsh sentences.
In other words, their aim was pragmatic.
You are partially correct. Jamal was not a popular name at all in 2020, but was quite popular as recently as 2004. Amazing how quickly things can change in terms of the popularity of certain names.
In terms of the popularity of names in the black community, instead of an equal 3-way split, I’d say it’s a 60-40 split with undeniably black names starting to pull ahead of traditional names.
https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/babyname.cgi
“Jeez, you people really don’t know anything about what is and isn’t a Jewish name.”
WTF???!!! What do you mean by “YOU PEOPLE”???!!!
Perhaps aspirational names were suggested by pastors? The names of prominent individuals of the country such as presidents would fall within such a category and may go some way to explain both the use of Roman names – Calpurnia for the negro housekeeper in “To Kill A Mockingbird”, the boxer Evander Holyfield for examples – and the sad, corrupt reliance on formulaic naming patterns evident today. As urbanisation progressed, the role of the pastor in advising on naming babies evaporated and what remains is a sort of folk memory of “Roman-sounding” names:
“if it ends in ‘ius/ious’ it’s fine and dandy”
seems to be the governing factor, with the results we all recognise.
In Brazil, poor people still use aspirational names. The great Pele (Edison) is an older generation but the current crop of footballers includes Emerson.
This is very bad news for the remaining White inhabitants of the United States.
Jamal would be a 50 year old black man.
That is correct. One hundred years ago, a joke about a black man would use a name like Rastus or Sambo. Sixty years ago it would be Leroy or Tyrone. Now it’s D’Antwon and DeShawn.
That is correct. One hundred years ago, a joke about a black man would use a name like Rastus or Sambo. Sixty years ago it would be Leroy or Tyrone. Now it's D'Antwon and DeShawn.Replies: @Detroit Refugee
Names I use when needed for a joke or to make a point are, De’Andre and Jamal.
And the race of her “love interest” was ?
Quite a few Jews and half-Jews in ML baseball these days.
Of course Scott Feldman is going to be hard to replace. I'd swell with ethnic pride as every year he'd go 8 and 9, 4.58
That wiki list needs updating (e.g. the Pirates have a useless little guy named Newman) but just look at the K’s alone — Koufax, Kapler, Ian Kinsler and Jason Kipnis.
Of course Scott Feldman is going to be hard to replace. I’d swell with ethnic pride as every year he’d go 8 and 9, 4.58
Here is Ron discussing his surname analysis
https://www.unz.com/runz/meritocracy-yale-events-and-surname-analysis/
He often refers to Weyl Analysis which is one of the approaches he uses.
So critical studies WOULD predict that both groups would favor the black version of the defendant?
Black jurors and white jurors DID DO the same thing but one by a larger amount.
So I'm unclear on what it is you're implying.Replies: @Giant Duck
Critical studies would predict that people would use supposedly objective processes and standards to assert power. In this case, it appears that the black jurors did this in favor of their racial group, and the white jurors did this in favor of the zeitgeist.