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As I’ve been pointing out, the more often Muslim terrorists in Europe massacre Jews, the more the Overton Window shifts. From the New York Times:

A French Politician Who Has Helped Refine the National Front Party
MARCH 20, 2015

By SUZANNE DALEY

ST.-MACAIRE-EN-MAGUES, France — Florian Philippot was about to take the stage in this small western village in the hope of lifting the fortunes of the local candidates of the far-right National Front party.

But he was not using a last moment of quiet to collect his thoughts. Instead, he was testing his latest turn of phrase on a handful of local journalists who had come to interview him. France’s beleaguered president, François Hollande, had recently said that he wanted to “yank” voters away from Mr. Philippot’s party.

“As if our supporters were weeds,” he said with a huff. “Maybe he would do better to think more about how to yank voters off the unemployment rolls.”

The line is an example of why some in France have called Mr. Philippot, who at 33 is the National Front’s vice president in charge of communications and strategy, the “argument machine.” Experts give Mr. Philippot credit for much of the party’s success so far, saying he has been critical in its efforts to present a respectable face — and one that is ready to govern. …

These days, the French actually hear more from Mr. Philippot, who is a constant presence on television talk shows, than they do from Ms. Le Pen.

It is not hard to see why he is such a popular guest. He is a graduate of one of France’s elite business schools as well as its École Nationale d’Administration, known as ENA, which has trained most French politicians, including Mr. Hollande, and he appears indestructible on television.

Like the front-row student who always has his hand up, he sits, neatly groomed, on the edge of his chair, happily jousting with panels of gray-haired experts who mean to portray his party as dangerously extreme. But more often than not they are flummoxed by Mr. Philippot’s intellectual agility. …

He describes his first meeting with Ms. Le Pen in 2009 as a kind of political love at first sight. A friend had arranged a dinner party, knowing that Mr. Philippot was intrigued. By the end of the night, Ms. Le Pen has said, they were finishing each other’s sentences.

“From the beginning we connected both on a human and a political level,” Mr. Philippot said, adding, “I was attracted to her energy, her dynamism, her courage.” And, he said, the National Front was a party that would allow young people a place at the table.

By this point, I’m figuring the boy wonder is either sleeping with Ms. Le Pen or is gay.

He has repeatedly refused to discuss his private life. But in December, the gossip magazine Closer, which last year published photos of Mr. Hollande sneaking out of the Élysée Palace on a scooter to meet an actress, published photographs of Mr. Philippot on vacation with a boyfriend.

 
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  1. Ha, another gay rightist. There was a Huffington Post piece, maybe this one:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-strange-strange-story_b_136697.html

    pointing out that disproportionately many of the people who care about the cultural composition of their nations (fascists) are gay – Pim Fortuyn, Geert Wilders, Jörg Haider – the Le Pens are an exception. Somewhere else (maybe here) that it was speculated that, because they don’t have children themselves, their only genetic legacy is that of their race.

    • Replies: @kihowi
    Geert Wilders isn't gay. I guess it's his hair.
    , @SFG
    Here's another thing we forget because the GOP spends a lot of time going after gay people: lots of western Europeans tolerate gays. Muslims don't. So if you're gay, your country going Muslim is a very, very bad thing.

    I think it was the Dutch who had new Dutchmen going through the citizenship process watch a video talking about the fact that they would be expected to abide by European values, which showed two women kissing.

    Gays versus Muslims? Eh, I'll go with the gays. I never saw a gay guy cutting people's heads off, and what they do in their gay sex clubs is their business--AIDS practically never hit heterosexuals.
    , @inertial
    He is gay and activist but not gay activist. They had to spy on him to establish that he was gay.
    , @wren
    Perhaps the epitome of this particular archetype is Yukio Mishima.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukio_Mishima
    , @K.
    The Fascist Vice indeed!
  2. In fact, some Frenchmen are irritated by the “gay circle” around Marine Le Pen. The most influential of those gays, Steeve Briois, is a mayor and an important party manager. The there’s Sebastien Chenu, which began as a gay activist and now found his home in the “Rassemblement Bleu Marine” (a broader gathering beyond the borders of the FN party). Mathieu Chartraire, who had been elected “Mr.Gay”, outed himself as a FN voter.
    It’s partly like with the Jews: The more they are attacked by muslims, the more they tend to the FN. But partly they seem to be attracted to Marine personally.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist

    It’s partly like with the Jews: The more they are attacked by muslims, the more they tend to the FN. But partly they seem to be attracted to Marine personally.
     
    Good point.

    But is it also possible that young French gays feel less threatened by reduced employment prospects than your typical straight cisgendered white French male FN supporter? Does France have the same pokeman victimization point system as we do here in the states?
    , @Cagey Beast
    The more they are attacked by muslims, the more they tend to the FN. But partly they seem to be attracted to Marine personally.

    Yes, some people have said Marine Le Pen is a sort of iconic diva who draws gay men to her. Someone said she's "the Dalida of the far right"; Dalida being a tragic diva hugely popular with zee gayz:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulZD0D-JseA

    Tell me about him
    You know him so well
    He's everything to me
    Oh, I'm begging you
    Don't hide a thing from me
    etc....

    http://lyricstranslate.com/en/parlez-moi-de-lui-tell-me-about-him.html

    Dalida also did a duet with her friend Alain Delon, who is himself is mutual friends with Jean-Marie Le Pen and Brigitte Bardot. The last three photos at this page are of Jean-Marie Le Pen having fun with Alain Delon and Brigitte Bardot and meeting Algerian veterans who fought on the French side in that war:

    http://www.lesobservateurs.ch/2014/12/05/jan-jambon-jean-marie-le-pen-ronald-reagan-jean-paul-ii-et-les-autres/
  3. @Stogumber
    In fact, some Frenchmen are irritated by the "gay circle" around Marine Le Pen. The most influential of those gays, Steeve Briois, is a mayor and an important party manager. The there's Sebastien Chenu, which began as a gay activist and now found his home in the "Rassemblement Bleu Marine" (a broader gathering beyond the borders of the FN party). Mathieu Chartraire, who had been elected "Mr.Gay", outed himself as a FN voter.
    It's partly like with the Jews: The more they are attacked by muslims, the more they tend to the FN. But partly they seem to be attracted to Marine personally.

    It’s partly like with the Jews: The more they are attacked by muslims, the more they tend to the FN. But partly they seem to be attracted to Marine personally.

    Good point.

    But is it also possible that young French gays feel less threatened by reduced employment prospects than your typical straight cisgendered white French male FN supporter? Does France have the same pokeman victimization point system as we do here in the states?

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    Officially, France bars collecting statistics on race and religion, making an AA scheme hard. Unofficially, it probably exists at the ENA.
  4. If their MSM is giving this guy the floor, on TV talk shows, that’s huge. In America, the chance of you, or the Derb, or even Mark Steyn, getting onto “Meet the Press” to debate immigration grows ever smaller, as the official narrative grows ever more absurd (and thus fragile).

    As I’ve been pointing out, the more often Muslim terrorists in Europe massacre Jews, the more the Overton Window shifts. From the New York Times:

    You misunderstand the NYTimes. Just as Rosenthal’s grandfather didn’t lift a finger for Polish Jews during WW2, Rosenthal doesn’t give a crap for Jews today.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Sorry, I meant Sulzberger.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Florian Philippot took on the question of his private life in an interview with a well known Jewish journalist called Ruth Elkrief. It's at YouTube under the title: Florian Philippot dénonce "une américanisation de notre vie politique française" or "Florian Phillipot denounces the Americanization of our French political life". He says he thinks American identity politics have no place in the French republic and wouldn't want citizens judged by group identities such as gayness or Jewishness.

    It's worth mentioning too that another young star in the FN, Marion Maréchal-le Pen has come out strongly against gay marriage and adoption and marched in the monster demos against both.
    , @nglaer
    Yes, they are, Marine especially, all over the MSM. It makes a difference that there is a French "nation" which everyone acknowledges; it is not a "nation of immigrants" etc. That different narrative starting point, plus the fact that acknowledged heroes like De Gaulle stressed that point, makes a big difference. (I've been in Paris for 2 plus weeks).
    Plus, Marine is really, really attractive in the media, quick on her feet, a kind of raspy night-club singer voice, she's really cool. I love her even though she's not that pretty (and I'm not gay).
    , @Anonymous
    Is there even a forum in the MSM that would even allow such a discussion to take place?

    FOX is decidedly pro-immigration now (see Mickey Kaus' column being squashed on Tucker Carlson's "Daily Caller".) FOX is the only right-wing news organization with any broad penetration.

    The left-wing seems to have collectively decided that mass immigration forms the foundation of their "Maslow Pyramid" despite its impact on wages, housing, the environment, etc.; i.e., all the things you'd imagine the Left would otherwise care about and which are antagonized by it.
    , @Martin

    "If their MSM is giving this guy the floor, on TV talk shows, that’s huge. In America, the chance of you, or the Derb, or even Mark Steyn, getting onto “Meet the Press” to debate immigration..."
     
    The Front National has a 1st round support of about 25-30% and they already have people elected in the European Parliament, in many cities, etc.

    The last election a few weeks ago - a minor election - the FN candidate was 1st in the 1st round and she got 49% of the vote in the 2nd round after all the other parties got together and told people to vote for anyone but the FN. Everyone ganged up against them but they still managed to get half the vote - and they're still voting with paper ballots there are no voting machines in France so the system in place can't really organize electoral fraud to keep the FN out of power they have to rely on the media and their propaganda.

    So the difference is that Derbyshire, Mark Steyn, etc. aren't employees of a popular political party whose No.1 priority is to stop mass immigration and who is considered by all the other political parties THE enemy.

    But at this point the French media doesn't have a choice they can't keep on ignoring the Front National they have to invite some of them to speak in their pages/shows from time to time even though they're completely biased against them and they attempt to smear the FN every time they can.
  5. @International Jew
    If their MSM is giving this guy the floor, on TV talk shows, that's huge. In America, the chance of you, or the Derb, or even Mark Steyn, getting onto "Meet the Press" to debate immigration grows ever smaller, as the official narrative grows ever more absurd (and thus fragile).

    As I’ve been pointing out, the more often Muslim terrorists in Europe massacre Jews, the more the Overton Window shifts. From the New York Times:
     
    You misunderstand the NYTimes. Just as Rosenthal's grandfather didn't lift a finger for Polish Jews during WW2, Rosenthal doesn't give a crap for Jews today.

    Sorry, I meant Sulzberger.

  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    He is both gay (a powerful lobby) and member of the most powerful cast (ENA – Ecole Nationale D’Administration). By joining the Front National, he crossed the Rubicon, but he didn’t fully become an outcast.

    He is the only one at the Front National that is somewhat respected by the journalists during interviews –they let him speak without interrupting him too much, which they do a lot for the other FN members.

    (I’m from France. Thanks for reading and thanks for your blog and blog comments.)

    • Replies: @AlexT
    How powerful are the Enarques these days? Do they only work in Paris, or are they spread out in the provinces too? The ENA is a graduate school, correct? How long does it take to graduate from there? Sorry for all the questions, but i'm really fascinated with the French system and it's hard to find anything in English that goes into detail.
  7. Jews aren’t always worried about non-Jewish nationalism. In fact, it appears that they quite admire the Japanese for having it, at least according to an interesting article I found about how Japan keeps away the Islamic invasion:

    http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/the-land-without-muslims/2013/05/19/0/

    The closing paragraph really says it all:

    ‘Japan is teaching the whole world an interesting lesson: there is a direct correlation between national heritage and permission to immigrate: a people that has a solid and clear national heritage and identity will not allow the unemployed of the world to enter its country; and a people whose cultural heritage and national identity is weak and fragile, has no defense mechanisms to prevent a foreign culture from penetrating into its country and its land.’

    • Replies: @SFG
    Seems like a right-leaning site from what I can see.

    Couldn't find any articles on Mexican immigration, but it's not clear why they'd be required to have any--it's not the topic of their site.

    On the other hand, I have to laugh at this website ad they have. So much for stereotypes!

    http://www.shmulis.com/

    , @Batisto Nunca
    A single article that's heavy on dubious statements and light on any evidence seems a bit flimsy to hang that assertion on. Japanese are pretty skeptical of immigration in general but the idea that they are admired by Jews for it sounds like nonsense.

    More relevant to Jewish opinion about Japan is the NYT's pathological hostility to Japan and the Japanese establishment, going back at least a decade if not more. For an immigration example see this classic hit piece from 2011: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/world/asia/03japan.html

    It's all there: sob story about a poor Indonesian nurse who desperately wants to take jobs away from Japanese nurses (or maybe Japanese robots) but is oppressed by the cruel Japanese language proficiency exam; liberal quotes from immigration advocates with vested interests in undermining Japanese wages; finger wagging about the looming perils of a declining birthrate; laments over the inequity of an immigration policy that mysteriously seems to have no actual defenders.

    And of course there's also the one-sided pro-Chinese and pro-Korean coverage of anything to do with conflicts between either of those countries and Japan. One is tempted to wonder what makes them dislike Japan so much, is it the strait-laced and rule-bound culture that puts them off, or is it just that Japanese girls are less willing to put out for Jewish nerds than Chinese girls are?
    , @iSteveFan

    Jews aren’t always worried about non-Jewish nationalism. In fact, it appears that they quite admire the Japanese for having it, at least according to an interesting article I found about how Japan keeps away the Islamic invasion:
     
    Thanks for the link to this article. But I think one plausible explanation for Jews not worried about non-Jewish nationalism in Japan is that Japan doesn't really have a discernible population of Jews. Therefore, it won't affect them. It would be more eye opening for them to write a story like this about a nation with a more significant Jewish population.

    My guess is they are using Japan as an example for Israel to follow. And I don't begrudge them at all. I actually wish our side in the USA would use Japan as an example too. But the MSM has promoted the idea that the Japanese are going to go extinct without immigration. So it has effectively been taken off the table as an example to point to about sane immigration policies.

    Our side should work on counter arguments which disprove this notion that Japan will die off without immigration. Japan could be a good example for us to follow. Apparently there are people in Israel who feel that way about Japan.

  8. @Stogumber
    In fact, some Frenchmen are irritated by the "gay circle" around Marine Le Pen. The most influential of those gays, Steeve Briois, is a mayor and an important party manager. The there's Sebastien Chenu, which began as a gay activist and now found his home in the "Rassemblement Bleu Marine" (a broader gathering beyond the borders of the FN party). Mathieu Chartraire, who had been elected "Mr.Gay", outed himself as a FN voter.
    It's partly like with the Jews: The more they are attacked by muslims, the more they tend to the FN. But partly they seem to be attracted to Marine personally.

    The more they are attacked by muslims, the more they tend to the FN. But partly they seem to be attracted to Marine personally.

    Yes, some people have said Marine Le Pen is a sort of iconic diva who draws gay men to her. Someone said she’s “the Dalida of the far right”; Dalida being a tragic diva hugely popular with zee gayz:


    Tell me about him
    You know him so well
    He’s everything to me
    Oh, I’m begging you
    Don’t hide a thing from me
    etc….

    http://lyricstranslate.com/en/parlez-moi-de-lui-tell-me-about-him.html

    Dalida also did a duet with her friend Alain Delon, who is himself is mutual friends with Jean-Marie Le Pen and Brigitte Bardot. The last three photos at this page are of Jean-Marie Le Pen having fun with Alain Delon and Brigitte Bardot and meeting Algerian veterans who fought on the French side in that war:

    http://www.lesobservateurs.ch/2014/12/05/jan-jambon-jean-marie-le-pen-ronald-reagan-jean-paul-ii-et-les-autres/

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    Yes, some people have said Marine Le Pen is a sort of iconic diva who draws gay men to her. Someone said she’s “the Dalida of the far right”; Dalida being a tragic diva hugely popular with zee gayz:
     
    Are we getting a "Divine Miss M." vibe here?
  9. @pork pie hat
    Ha, another gay rightist. There was a Huffington Post piece, maybe this one:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-strange-strange-story_b_136697.html

    pointing out that disproportionately many of the people who care about the cultural composition of their nations (fascists) are gay - Pim Fortuyn, Geert Wilders, Jörg Haider - the Le Pens are an exception. Somewhere else (maybe here) that it was speculated that, because they don't have children themselves, their only genetic legacy is that of their race.

    Geert Wilders isn’t gay. I guess it’s his hair.

    • Replies: @pork pie hat
    Huh; went to wikipedia for evidence, but found:

    > He is married to Krisztina Wilders

    Maybe she's a beard, but, maybe you're right.

  10. “published photographs of Mr. Philippot on vacation with a boyfriend.”

    So the media was right all along, they really are like the Nazis.

  11. @International Jew
    If their MSM is giving this guy the floor, on TV talk shows, that's huge. In America, the chance of you, or the Derb, or even Mark Steyn, getting onto "Meet the Press" to debate immigration grows ever smaller, as the official narrative grows ever more absurd (and thus fragile).

    As I’ve been pointing out, the more often Muslim terrorists in Europe massacre Jews, the more the Overton Window shifts. From the New York Times:
     
    You misunderstand the NYTimes. Just as Rosenthal's grandfather didn't lift a finger for Polish Jews during WW2, Rosenthal doesn't give a crap for Jews today.

    Florian Philippot took on the question of his private life in an interview with a well known Jewish journalist called Ruth Elkrief. It’s at YouTube under the title: Florian Philippot dénonce “une américanisation de notre vie politique française” or “Florian Phillipot denounces the Americanization of our French political life”. He says he thinks American identity politics have no place in the French republic and wouldn’t want citizens judged by group identities such as gayness or Jewishness.

    It’s worth mentioning too that another young star in the FN, Marion Maréchal-le Pen has come out strongly against gay marriage and adoption and marched in the monster demos against both.

  12. @International Jew
    If their MSM is giving this guy the floor, on TV talk shows, that's huge. In America, the chance of you, or the Derb, or even Mark Steyn, getting onto "Meet the Press" to debate immigration grows ever smaller, as the official narrative grows ever more absurd (and thus fragile).

    As I’ve been pointing out, the more often Muslim terrorists in Europe massacre Jews, the more the Overton Window shifts. From the New York Times:
     
    You misunderstand the NYTimes. Just as Rosenthal's grandfather didn't lift a finger for Polish Jews during WW2, Rosenthal doesn't give a crap for Jews today.

    Yes, they are, Marine especially, all over the MSM. It makes a difference that there is a French “nation” which everyone acknowledges; it is not a “nation of immigrants” etc. That different narrative starting point, plus the fact that acknowledged heroes like De Gaulle stressed that point, makes a big difference. (I’ve been in Paris for 2 plus weeks).
    Plus, Marine is really, really attractive in the media, quick on her feet, a kind of raspy night-club singer voice, she’s really cool. I love her even though she’s not that pretty (and I’m not gay).

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Megyn Price could play her in a biopic: http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0697044/mediaindex?rmconst=rm719229440&ref_=m_nmmi_mi_nm_pbl_1
  13. I always wondered why parents weren’t more concerned about the the third world cesspool they are leaving to their children, seems right up there with wearing bike helmuts.

    • Replies: @george
    why parents weren’t more concerned about the the third world cesspool they are leaving to their children

    If the parents own real estate, work for the government, or certain protected professions like law and medicine they benefit greatly from immigration. Add the immigrants themselves and you have described most parents. The only time there was a true anti immigrant faction in the US was 1920 until WWII.

  14. @Blobby5
    I always wondered why parents weren't more concerned about the the third world cesspool they are leaving to their children, seems right up there with wearing bike helmuts.

    why parents weren’t more concerned about the the third world cesspool they are leaving to their children

    If the parents own real estate, work for the government, or certain protected professions like law and medicine they benefit greatly from immigration. Add the immigrants themselves and you have described most parents. The only time there was a true anti immigrant faction in the US was 1920 until WWII.

  15. why was sailer so homophobic.

  16. This is funny: I did a search for “Marine Le Pen Dalida” to see who had compared her to the diva and I found this:
    Marine Le Pen sings Dalida when faced with the promises of Nicolas Sarkozy

    Edit:
    I also just noticed one of the comments at YouTube has an avatar featuring Jean Moulin, a hero of the French resistance and a croix de lorraine. The comment starts with “Excellent!!!”. I need The Atlantic to explain this to me.

  17. It’s amazing to me how in the bastions of Republican (USA & France) dynastic politics are getting such a grip on the nation.

    I have to see the Brits (am I allowed to say “us Brits” as a new BritPak and therefore now belonging to one of the 12-17 genetic streams of the UK lol really got it right with our constitutional monarchy, parliamentary system & also with the corporate nature of British identity.

    However Britain’s probably also responsible for much of the contemporary “subtle” imperialism of the current Anglo-American global order, with its engrained Russophobia, marginalisation of Germany & extractive global elite with an “invade the world invite the world” mentality so guess it balances out.

  18. @pork pie hat
    Ha, another gay rightist. There was a Huffington Post piece, maybe this one:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-strange-strange-story_b_136697.html

    pointing out that disproportionately many of the people who care about the cultural composition of their nations (fascists) are gay - Pim Fortuyn, Geert Wilders, Jörg Haider - the Le Pens are an exception. Somewhere else (maybe here) that it was speculated that, because they don't have children themselves, their only genetic legacy is that of their race.

    Here’s another thing we forget because the GOP spends a lot of time going after gay people: lots of western Europeans tolerate gays. Muslims don’t. So if you’re gay, your country going Muslim is a very, very bad thing.

    I think it was the Dutch who had new Dutchmen going through the citizenship process watch a video talking about the fact that they would be expected to abide by European values, which showed two women kissing.

    Gays versus Muslims? Eh, I’ll go with the gays. I never saw a gay guy cutting people’s heads off, and what they do in their gay sex clubs is their business–AIDS practically never hit heterosexuals.

    • Replies: @The Z Blog

    Here’s another thing we forget because the GOP spends a lot of time going after gay people:
     
    Yeah, I don't know how the GOP can defend the enslavement of gays on those lavender farms in the South. And counting gays as 3/5's of a person? Outrageous.

    Of all the damage done by Cultural Marxism, the most long lasting will be the binary hive-mindedness of the culture. There's simply no gray areas and therefore no area for debate. Everyone is in fortified encampments slinging rocks at the other camps.
    , @stillCARealist
    no, I go with the Muslims. Many of them can actually be reasoned with.
    , @NOTA
    Republicans tolerate gays, too. Under bush, the party chairman was a pretty-much open gay man (Mehlman). The differences between the parties on gay rights is about marriage licenses and discrimination laws. Similarly, I imagine the moderate pro-Western factions in, say, Egypt and Iraq aren't too keen on gay rights.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Republicans (though you likely mean conservatives) don't "go after gay people". I know you likely think history began in 1962 and there was never a gay before that, but gays and the America that Steve is always remembering managed to get along. People just didn't want the stuff shoved under their nose.

    What you see now is conservative pushback against homos being used as a tool to try and disrupt the family and religion by classifying homosexuality as "genetic" via a 1994 twin study that has never been reproduced and fabricated papers by noted pedophile Dr. John Money. This is so they can get magical "protected class" status.
  19. @pork pie hat
    Ha, another gay rightist. There was a Huffington Post piece, maybe this one:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-strange-strange-story_b_136697.html

    pointing out that disproportionately many of the people who care about the cultural composition of their nations (fascists) are gay - Pim Fortuyn, Geert Wilders, Jörg Haider - the Le Pens are an exception. Somewhere else (maybe here) that it was speculated that, because they don't have children themselves, their only genetic legacy is that of their race.

    He is gay and activist but not gay activist. They had to spy on him to establish that he was gay.

  20. @ladague
    Jews aren't always worried about non-Jewish nationalism. In fact, it appears that they quite admire the Japanese for having it, at least according to an interesting article I found about how Japan keeps away the Islamic invasion:

    http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/the-land-without-muslims/2013/05/19/0/

    The closing paragraph really says it all:

    'Japan is teaching the whole world an interesting lesson: there is a direct correlation between national heritage and permission to immigrate: a people that has a solid and clear national heritage and identity will not allow the unemployed of the world to enter its country; and a people whose cultural heritage and national identity is weak and fragile, has no defense mechanisms to prevent a foreign culture from penetrating into its country and its land.'

    Seems like a right-leaning site from what I can see.

    Couldn’t find any articles on Mexican immigration, but it’s not clear why they’d be required to have any–it’s not the topic of their site.

    On the other hand, I have to laugh at this website ad they have. So much for stereotypes!

    http://www.shmulis.com/

  21. If P.G. Wodehouse created a character who was a French homosexual, he’d name him “Florian Philippot.”

  22. It’s funny how most men are fine with homosexuals being homosexuals as long as they agree to the unwritten rule that they keep it out of public life. This seems to be our natural and default position and it’s the claim that “the personal is political” that is new and alien. A look at the origin of the word “idiot” is instructive:

    Idiot is a word derived from the Greek ἰδιώτης, idiōtēs (“person lacking professional skill”, “a private citizen”, “individual”), from ἴδιος, idios (“private”, “one’s own”).[1] In Latin the word idiota (“ordinary person, layman”) preceded the Late Latin meaning “uneducated or ignorant person”.[2]
    [….]

    An idiot in Athenian democracy was someone who was characterized by self-centeredness and concerned almost exclusively with private—as opposed to public—affairs.[6] Idiocy was the natural state of ignorance into which all persons were born and its opposite, citizenship, was effected through formalized education.[6] In Athenian democracy, idiots were born and citizens were made through education…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

    “The personal is political” is a post-1960s concept that seems to be killing itself via Twitter as we speak. Give every silly girl the ability to broadcast her every passing thought via Twitter and the demand that we accept the personal as political drowns in its own waste.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Yeah, pretty much. I think sodomy should be legal, it just shouldn't be *encouraged*, particularly if accompanied by promiscuity. You're gay, not much you can do about it, just don't do it in the streets and scare the horses.

    To some degree, gay marriage might actually be a harm-reduction technique in that gay people who actually want monogamous or less-polygamous lifestyles can get them. But the jury's still out on that one.

  23. The Telegraph has a less enthusiastic article this morning.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11486372/Should-we-be-scared-of-Marine-Le-Pens-Front-National.html

    There is also the strange pro Putin tilt to these anti EU parties that maybe more than skin deep. In any event traditional political alliances and orders both in Europe and the US seem to be fracturing and these new amalgamations of anti immigrant/nationalist sentiment are all over the place in regards to economic policy with Le Pen’s FN leaning left and Farage’s UKIP more pro market, free trade. How any of them view NATO and European security isn’t really clear nor does it seem to be a priority to them

    • Replies: @AlexT
    This might help explain the pro-Russian stance at least partially:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaL5wCY99l8

    I would recommend everyone watched this video. It's not long but explains a lot.
    , @David R. Merridale
    Russia poses zero threat to Europe; US/NATO/EU pose an existential threat to Russia.
    , @Cagey Beast
    There is also the strange pro Putin tilt to these anti EU parties that maybe more than skin deep.

    Yes, the FN, the is quite sympathetic to Russia and Putin, as is the Catholic conservative Phillippe de Villiers, who met with Putin recently to sign a deal to build upmarket theme parks in Crimea and outside Moscow.

    Putin also has support at the more wild and wooly end of the French political spectrum with Alain Soral's site publishing articles like last week's "Why Putin Must Be Supported". Soral's publishing house also sells a flattering biography of Putin called Vladimir Bonaparte Poutine, which appears to currently be sold out. Soral uses his book, DVD and pay-per-view online videos to pay for his legal fees and fines and wears t-shirts for his court appearances that he then sells copies of online. His last two said "French without fear, Christian beyond reproach" and "Goy" on them. He and Dieudonné both have websites that are around the top 300s in France for visitors and have joined up to run candidates in the next local elections under the Equality and Reconciliation Party banner. They could potentially poach some of the vibrant vote from the Socialists.

    Here are the two of them out and about town: http://md1.libe.com/photo/616634-alain-soral-writer-and-former-far-right-national-front-political-party-adviser-and-french-humorist-d.jpg
    , @Lugash
    Russia is funding the National Front and the Syriza party in Greece.
  24. After ten paragraphs in this NYT article, the readers still don’t know what any of the issues are.

  25. @SFG
    Here's another thing we forget because the GOP spends a lot of time going after gay people: lots of western Europeans tolerate gays. Muslims don't. So if you're gay, your country going Muslim is a very, very bad thing.

    I think it was the Dutch who had new Dutchmen going through the citizenship process watch a video talking about the fact that they would be expected to abide by European values, which showed two women kissing.

    Gays versus Muslims? Eh, I'll go with the gays. I never saw a gay guy cutting people's heads off, and what they do in their gay sex clubs is their business--AIDS practically never hit heterosexuals.

    Here’s another thing we forget because the GOP spends a lot of time going after gay people:

    Yeah, I don’t know how the GOP can defend the enslavement of gays on those lavender farms in the South. And counting gays as 3/5’s of a person? Outrageous.

    Of all the damage done by Cultural Marxism, the most long lasting will be the binary hive-mindedness of the culture. There’s simply no gray areas and therefore no area for debate. Everyone is in fortified encampments slinging rocks at the other camps.

    • Replies: @SFG
    That may have been a bit of an exaggeration: my point is that we associate 'right-wing' with 'nationalist' and 'anti-gay', whereas a gay person in another country might be more afraid of an immigrant group that is viciously homophobic than of nationalists. I.E., the political categories aren't necessarily as clear-cut when you travel in space and time. It's hard to map the Democratic-Republican-Federalist disagreements onto modern left-vs-right axes, for example.

    It was more of a theoretical point about political spectra than an attempt to pick on conservatives for defending traditional values, sorry.
  26. Note that three of the four comments that are the ‘NYT picks’ for this article are more or less sympathetic to the FN.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/magazine/the-national-fronts-post-charlie-hebdo-moment.html

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    "Note that three of the four comments that are the ‘NYT picks’ for this article are more or less sympathetic to the FN."

    Make barbarians(white gentiles) fight barbarians(Muslims).

    Oldest trick in the book.
  27. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:

    Gay rights has a different meaning in Europe, it’s more based on privacy rights rather than American-style change the laws, change the culture. European gays don’t want to change the culture. They want their old, permissive cultures. They are the conservatives!

    In the US, gays got smart and realized that they weren’t going to win at the ballot box, so full steam ahead changing the laws and more important, get Corporate America (the real rulers of the US) behind you. Tim Cook now offers his female employees free egg-freezing. Ain’t it grand?

    Meanwhile The Netherlands, which is far more permissive about gay rights than the US, has outlawed commercial surrogacy. The next frontier in the US in the gay rights movement is to make commercial surrogacy legal in all 50 states so that gay men can have “their own” children. (Forget about the fact that there are two mothers involved: the egg donor and the gestational carrier.)

    The gay nationalist thing has a slight echo in the US. Madison Grant never married or had kids; neither did Lawrence Auster. A lot of white nats are people who have low birthrates themselves and are sensitive to the subject. This doesn’t invalidate their observations. Just saying.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Madison Grant never married or had kids; neither did Lawrence Auster.
     
    Auster's eloquent repugnance at anything homoerotic, or onanistic for that matter, seemed genuine to me. A classic case of Burton's "liveliest disgust".

    Near the end of his life, one of his few female fans offered to conceive a child with his seed. He was flattered, but horrified. How could you do that to your child? Nature without nurture!

    A lot of white nats are people who have low birthrates themselves and are sensitive to the subject. This doesn’t invalidate their observations.
     
    On the contrary, it may intensify them. Infertility concentrates the fertile mind.

    The Galtons, the Chestertons and the (Pat) Buchanans never had children, either, and I doubt it was from lack of trying. Galton was, and Buchanan is, obsessed with demography. (I don't know what Chesterton said about the subject, but I'm going to look it up.)

    Genealogy is essentially the same thing, in the opposite direction. I've met many unmarried genealogists over the years, and was one myself for a long time. It's a maiden-aunt, empty-nest kind of activity.
  28. Blood is thicker than water. When pressure is applied, the false constructed marxist identities of class, gender, sexuality all fall apart. What is left is the true identities of kin and blood.

  29. You misunderstand the NYTimes. Just as Rosenthal’s grandfather didn’t lift a finger for Polish Jews during WW2, Rosenthal doesn’t give a crap for Jews today.

    NYT just pulled a piece that was critical of Netanyahu’s racism and right-wing extremism, rewrote it to be much less critical, and then put it back up. Mondoweiss had commentary and a link to the original. Can’t recall them ever doing that for White Americans.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong

    Can’t recall them ever doing that for White Americans.
     
    I doubt any WCM worth their salt actually is an NYT subscriber.

    It's better off asking if Glenn "Futbol" Beck and the FNC crew would do something like that.
  30. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25142557

    I’m not sure where gays and immigrants stand in the PC hierarchy of oppression. Are pro-immigration folks simply homophobic?

  31. Strange new respect for the French from the American right (excluding the Sailer/Unz wing), and strange new hate for the French from the US Obama lovin’ left?

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/european-leaders-discuss-iran-nuclear-talks-1426845251

    Strange bedfellows indeed.

    • Replies: @Menschmaschine
    Nothing strange about that, simply greed for Petro Dollars. Hollande wants to suck up to the Saudis by being anti - iranian. There have already been the first results in the form of Saudi financed weapon deals for Egypt and Lebanon.
  32. @Anonymous
    He is both gay (a powerful lobby) and member of the most powerful cast (ENA - Ecole Nationale D'Administration). By joining the Front National, he crossed the Rubicon, but he didn't fully become an outcast.

    He is the only one at the Front National that is somewhat respected by the journalists during interviews --they let him speak without interrupting him too much, which they do a lot for the other FN members.

    (I'm from France. Thanks for reading and thanks for your blog and blog comments.)

    How powerful are the Enarques these days? Do they only work in Paris, or are they spread out in the provinces too? The ENA is a graduate school, correct? How long does it take to graduate from there? Sorry for all the questions, but i’m really fascinated with the French system and it’s hard to find anything in English that goes into detail.

  33. @SFG
    Here's another thing we forget because the GOP spends a lot of time going after gay people: lots of western Europeans tolerate gays. Muslims don't. So if you're gay, your country going Muslim is a very, very bad thing.

    I think it was the Dutch who had new Dutchmen going through the citizenship process watch a video talking about the fact that they would be expected to abide by European values, which showed two women kissing.

    Gays versus Muslims? Eh, I'll go with the gays. I never saw a gay guy cutting people's heads off, and what they do in their gay sex clubs is their business--AIDS practically never hit heterosexuals.

    no, I go with the Muslims. Many of them can actually be reasoned with.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    Dhimmi
  34. @anonymous-antimarxist

    It’s partly like with the Jews: The more they are attacked by muslims, the more they tend to the FN. But partly they seem to be attracted to Marine personally.
     
    Good point.

    But is it also possible that young French gays feel less threatened by reduced employment prospects than your typical straight cisgendered white French male FN supporter? Does France have the same pokeman victimization point system as we do here in the states?

    Officially, France bars collecting statistics on race and religion, making an AA scheme hard. Unofficially, it probably exists at the ENA.

  35. @stillCARealist
    no, I go with the Muslims. Many of them can actually be reasoned with.

    Dhimmi

  36. @Svigor

    You misunderstand the NYTimes. Just as Rosenthal’s grandfather didn’t lift a finger for Polish Jews during WW2, Rosenthal doesn’t give a crap for Jews today.
     
    NYT just pulled a piece that was critical of Netanyahu's racism and right-wing extremism, rewrote it to be much less critical, and then put it back up. Mondoweiss had commentary and a link to the original. Can't recall them ever doing that for White Americans.

    Can’t recall them ever doing that for White Americans.

    I doubt any WCM worth their salt actually is an NYT subscriber.

    It’s better off asking if Glenn “Futbol” Beck and the FNC crew would do something like that.

  37. @unit472
    The Telegraph has a less enthusiastic article this morning.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11486372/Should-we-be-scared-of-Marine-Le-Pens-Front-National.html

    There is also the strange pro Putin tilt to these anti EU parties that maybe more than skin deep. In any event traditional political alliances and orders both in Europe and the US seem to be fracturing and these new amalgamations of anti immigrant/nationalist sentiment are all over the place in regards to economic policy with Le Pen's FN leaning left and Farage's UKIP more pro market, free trade. How any of them view NATO and European security isn't really clear nor does it seem to be a priority to them

    This might help explain the pro-Russian stance at least partially:

    I would recommend everyone watched this video. It’s not long but explains a lot.

  38. The natural home for gay men is on the Right. Unfortunately, neither side has figured that out yet. Lesbians, however, are natural Leftists, except for Gertrude Stein, who was a gay man.

  39. Well, since sex came up, I can’t resist.

    A long time ago, I discovered that women on the political right were better lovers than those on the left. Also, the first gay friends I ever had were republicans.

    People on the political right are sexier, more highly and in more ways, than those on the left. On average in my experience anyway.

    These discoveries began in college and continued into young adulthood. At first I expected politically liberal women, democrats, to be better in bed. I thought they would be more open and free. Instead, most were rather vanilla. Nothing wrong with that, but they were surprisingly “conservative” about lovemaking.

    Young women who self-identified as republicans, or who had conservative views, were often very wild and fun. They liked a man to be a man, and they didn’t see the bedroom as a political arena. They enjoyed everything more. Some of them had spicy tastes.

    This is just one man’s sampling, but it all finally made sense, to me anyway. It goes along with something I keep returning to: current liberal ways are actually puritanical. Everyone is trying too hard to be “correct” in everything: what they eat, what they think, what they say, and how they f*ck.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    On Australian TV there is a good comedy called Rake about a libertine male lawyer, and this lawyer character says exactly what you're saying. Liberal women spend lots of time talking about sex and pointing out the supposed sexual hang ups of conservatives, but in practice they aren't particularly experienced or good at lovemaking.

    Having said that I think left liberals tend to come in two types - hedonists and purtians. The former tend to be lazier and more into drugs and having a wild time, while the later tend to be educated, hard working and self-righteous. In political, legal and academic circles, most liberal women will tend to be puritans.

    , @Anonym
    My experience is that most single women I've "known" have either been leftist (maybe left-libertarian), or apolitical. Including the best in the sack. Most conservative women I've known were more for saving themselves for marriage.

    I don't think it matters much. I tend to doubt that how good a woman is in the sack has much bearing on her ability to make good political decisions. But what do I know. Maybe I should just ask Jenna or KLK who to vote for.
    , @SFG
    There are a lot of kinky feminists but, of course, you have to date a feminist.

    There is a lot to what you say about the left carrying on the old Puritan tradition--they're even strong in New England--and a lot of the bits about abstaining from red meat and extreme eating and even sex (for men) would have been familiar to medieval ascetics. Still, encouraging sleeping around for women is entirely new.
  40. @kihowi
    Geert Wilders isn't gay. I guess it's his hair.

    Huh; went to wikipedia for evidence, but found:

    > He is married to Krisztina Wilders

    Maybe she’s a beard, but, maybe you’re right.

  41. How does the Marine Le Pen circle compare to that around Margaret Thatcher circa say, 1975?

  42. @SFG
    Here's another thing we forget because the GOP spends a lot of time going after gay people: lots of western Europeans tolerate gays. Muslims don't. So if you're gay, your country going Muslim is a very, very bad thing.

    I think it was the Dutch who had new Dutchmen going through the citizenship process watch a video talking about the fact that they would be expected to abide by European values, which showed two women kissing.

    Gays versus Muslims? Eh, I'll go with the gays. I never saw a gay guy cutting people's heads off, and what they do in their gay sex clubs is their business--AIDS practically never hit heterosexuals.

    Republicans tolerate gays, too. Under bush, the party chairman was a pretty-much open gay man (Mehlman). The differences between the parties on gay rights is about marriage licenses and discrimination laws. Similarly, I imagine the moderate pro-Western factions in, say, Egypt and Iraq aren’t too keen on gay rights.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    So it's not a gay v. straight cultural battle, but Dolce & Gabbana v. Elton John.
  43. @ladague
    Jews aren't always worried about non-Jewish nationalism. In fact, it appears that they quite admire the Japanese for having it, at least according to an interesting article I found about how Japan keeps away the Islamic invasion:

    http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/the-land-without-muslims/2013/05/19/0/

    The closing paragraph really says it all:

    'Japan is teaching the whole world an interesting lesson: there is a direct correlation between national heritage and permission to immigrate: a people that has a solid and clear national heritage and identity will not allow the unemployed of the world to enter its country; and a people whose cultural heritage and national identity is weak and fragile, has no defense mechanisms to prevent a foreign culture from penetrating into its country and its land.'

    A single article that’s heavy on dubious statements and light on any evidence seems a bit flimsy to hang that assertion on. Japanese are pretty skeptical of immigration in general but the idea that they are admired by Jews for it sounds like nonsense.

    More relevant to Jewish opinion about Japan is the NYT’s pathological hostility to Japan and the Japanese establishment, going back at least a decade if not more. For an immigration example see this classic hit piece from 2011: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/world/asia/03japan.html

    It’s all there: sob story about a poor Indonesian nurse who desperately wants to take jobs away from Japanese nurses (or maybe Japanese robots) but is oppressed by the cruel Japanese language proficiency exam; liberal quotes from immigration advocates with vested interests in undermining Japanese wages; finger wagging about the looming perils of a declining birthrate; laments over the inequity of an immigration policy that mysteriously seems to have no actual defenders.

    And of course there’s also the one-sided pro-Chinese and pro-Korean coverage of anything to do with conflicts between either of those countries and Japan. One is tempted to wonder what makes them dislike Japan so much, is it the strait-laced and rule-bound culture that puts them off, or is it just that Japanese girls are less willing to put out for Jewish nerds than Chinese girls are?

    • Replies: @Panopticon
    I don't know about Korea, but I almost never see a positive slant towards China in the mainstream media. Almost all the well regarded be it left or right news like Wall Street Journal, Tea leaf nation or the NYT (I'm sure that the chinese ban on NYT contributes to this) are heavily anti-China. But I agree that they tend to not like Japan either.
  44. Gay white nationalist Anerican here, signing in.

  45. @The Z Blog

    Here’s another thing we forget because the GOP spends a lot of time going after gay people:
     
    Yeah, I don't know how the GOP can defend the enslavement of gays on those lavender farms in the South. And counting gays as 3/5's of a person? Outrageous.

    Of all the damage done by Cultural Marxism, the most long lasting will be the binary hive-mindedness of the culture. There's simply no gray areas and therefore no area for debate. Everyone is in fortified encampments slinging rocks at the other camps.

    That may have been a bit of an exaggeration: my point is that we associate ‘right-wing’ with ‘nationalist’ and ‘anti-gay’, whereas a gay person in another country might be more afraid of an immigrant group that is viciously homophobic than of nationalists. I.E., the political categories aren’t necessarily as clear-cut when you travel in space and time. It’s hard to map the Democratic-Republican-Federalist disagreements onto modern left-vs-right axes, for example.

    It was more of a theoretical point about political spectra than an attempt to pick on conservatives for defending traditional values, sorry.

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    Oh, I agree with that. I did not read your post that way so maybe the fault is mine. I think the single axis political spectrum is useless. Steve Sailer and I probably agree on some things, but would disagree on most things. Putting us on the "right" just because neither of us are Progressives is rather silly. It really falls apart when you try to transport it to Europe or China.
  46. @Cagey Beast
    It's funny how most men are fine with homosexuals being homosexuals as long as they agree to the unwritten rule that they keep it out of public life. This seems to be our natural and default position and it's the claim that "the personal is political" that is new and alien. A look at the origin of the word "idiot" is instructive:

    Idiot is a word derived from the Greek ἰδιώτης, idiōtēs ("person lacking professional skill", "a private citizen", "individual"), from ἴδιος, idios ("private", "one's own").[1] In Latin the word idiota ("ordinary person, layman") preceded the Late Latin meaning "uneducated or ignorant person".[2]
    [....]

    An idiot in Athenian democracy was someone who was characterized by self-centeredness and concerned almost exclusively with private—as opposed to public—affairs.[6] Idiocy was the natural state of ignorance into which all persons were born and its opposite, citizenship, was effected through formalized education.[6] In Athenian democracy, idiots were born and citizens were made through education...
     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

    "The personal is political" is a post-1960s concept that seems to be killing itself via Twitter as we speak. Give every silly girl the ability to broadcast her every passing thought via Twitter and the demand that we accept the personal as political drowns in its own waste.

    Yeah, pretty much. I think sodomy should be legal, it just shouldn’t be *encouraged*, particularly if accompanied by promiscuity. You’re gay, not much you can do about it, just don’t do it in the streets and scare the horses.

    To some degree, gay marriage might actually be a harm-reduction technique in that gay people who actually want monogamous or less-polygamous lifestyles can get them. But the jury’s still out on that one.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    To some degree, gay marriage might actually be a harm-reduction technique in that gay people who actually want monogamous or less-polygamous lifestyles can get them. But the jury’s still out on that one
     
    If society actually debated whether same-sex marriage would reduce promiscuity among gays then you might be right. But to even mention the average number of partners among gays is generally verboten (and anyway, even the NYTimes has admitted sexual fidelity is unimportant to gay couples). So instead, there is at least one study that found gay men in steady relationships are actually *more* likely to be infected with HIV, etc., because they don't use protection with their main partner while still seeking out new notches. Meaning, gay marriage would not reduce harm.
  47. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Yep, Steve is on to the New York Times’ shtick: they’re always looking out for the interests of Jews, particularly religious working class Jews of North African origin, who are the ones who tend to suffer from Islamist violence in France. Jew of this kind in Israel tend to vote Netanyahu, who is the apple of Pinch Sulzberger’s eye. How come the rest of us never notice these things? I guess it takes a genius like Steve.

    I mean, you’d have to be clueless to believe that the point of the article was dumbfounded amazement about how a metrosexual gay man could be in cohoots with the French National Front. The Times is never interested in the gay angle on things. It must be some sort of ethnocentric Jewish angle. Right.

  48. Meanwhile back in the US (OT) the Chamber of Commerce shows gall by swinging after unions on behalf of immigrant business owners…http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/20/nlrb-benefits-unions-over-veterans-and-immigrants/

    “A panel of industry experts Friday warned that an upcoming labor board rule won’t just damage the franchise model, it will significantly hurt veteran and immigrant business owners.”

    At issue is the prosecuting arm of the National Labor Relations Board holding corporations responsible for violations committed by their franchisees. By the way, we are not talking punitive damages or anything here. Typically what is at stake here is backpay, reinstatement, notice postings and cease and desist orders.

    “There’s really no other reason to do this,” Puzder continued. “This is a great business model, people are protected, everyone understood the relationship when we entered into it. There is only one reason this would happen and that is to empower private sector labor unions [should read low wage American workers].”

    Actually there is a reason. The reason is that many franchisee business owners shirk labor laws and the parent companies benefit from these misdeeds. The parent companies control many aspects of the franchisee and could certainly have better systems for keeping them paying minimum wage and overtime and not retaliating against employees who band together to demand higher wages, better treatment, etc.

    We have a lot of very ambitious immigrants who come to this country from India and Pakistan and South and Central America and Europe who come to this country [with a deep respect for our workforce and labor laws], invest in franchises with our company and are now very, very successful [as evidenced by the number of relatives they are able to bring back from the old country],” Puzder also noted. “You can pull people from all walks of life and it creates incredible opportunities for people, particularly in a time like now when opportunities are so limited.”

    What is this country coming to when it favors labor unions (i.e. coalitions representing hourly American workers) over the interests of ambitious Pakistani business owners? If we let them do this, what’s next?

  49. @Cagey Beast
    The more they are attacked by muslims, the more they tend to the FN. But partly they seem to be attracted to Marine personally.

    Yes, some people have said Marine Le Pen is a sort of iconic diva who draws gay men to her. Someone said she's "the Dalida of the far right"; Dalida being a tragic diva hugely popular with zee gayz:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulZD0D-JseA

    Tell me about him
    You know him so well
    He's everything to me
    Oh, I'm begging you
    Don't hide a thing from me
    etc....

    http://lyricstranslate.com/en/parlez-moi-de-lui-tell-me-about-him.html

    Dalida also did a duet with her friend Alain Delon, who is himself is mutual friends with Jean-Marie Le Pen and Brigitte Bardot. The last three photos at this page are of Jean-Marie Le Pen having fun with Alain Delon and Brigitte Bardot and meeting Algerian veterans who fought on the French side in that war:

    http://www.lesobservateurs.ch/2014/12/05/jan-jambon-jean-marie-le-pen-ronald-reagan-jean-paul-ii-et-les-autres/

    Yes, some people have said Marine Le Pen is a sort of iconic diva who draws gay men to her. Someone said she’s “the Dalida of the far right”; Dalida being a tragic diva hugely popular with zee gayz:

    Are we getting a “Divine Miss M.” vibe here?

  50. iSteveFan says:
    @ladague
    Jews aren't always worried about non-Jewish nationalism. In fact, it appears that they quite admire the Japanese for having it, at least according to an interesting article I found about how Japan keeps away the Islamic invasion:

    http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/the-land-without-muslims/2013/05/19/0/

    The closing paragraph really says it all:

    'Japan is teaching the whole world an interesting lesson: there is a direct correlation between national heritage and permission to immigrate: a people that has a solid and clear national heritage and identity will not allow the unemployed of the world to enter its country; and a people whose cultural heritage and national identity is weak and fragile, has no defense mechanisms to prevent a foreign culture from penetrating into its country and its land.'

    Jews aren’t always worried about non-Jewish nationalism. In fact, it appears that they quite admire the Japanese for having it, at least according to an interesting article I found about how Japan keeps away the Islamic invasion:

    Thanks for the link to this article. But I think one plausible explanation for Jews not worried about non-Jewish nationalism in Japan is that Japan doesn’t really have a discernible population of Jews. Therefore, it won’t affect them. It would be more eye opening for them to write a story like this about a nation with a more significant Jewish population.

    My guess is they are using Japan as an example for Israel to follow. And I don’t begrudge them at all. I actually wish our side in the USA would use Japan as an example too. But the MSM has promoted the idea that the Japanese are going to go extinct without immigration. So it has effectively been taken off the table as an example to point to about sane immigration policies.

    Our side should work on counter arguments which disprove this notion that Japan will die off without immigration. Japan could be a good example for us to follow. Apparently there are people in Israel who feel that way about Japan.

    • Replies: @Batisto Nunca
    It's hard to take Ladague's article seriously since it seems to consist of a bunch of pretty dubious assertions ("negative attitude toward Islam and Muslims pervades every level of the population") without any evidence to support them. In any case speculating on Jewish attitudes to nationalism in a country with next-to-no Jews seems like a fool's errand. (As Steve has pointed out, the Jewish push to cozy up to China is far more interesting.)

    What lessons about immigration policy are we supposed to draw from Japan, exactly? Many of the obstacles to immigration in Japan are not the result of government policy: off the top of my head, a high-trust culture that's opaque to outsiders, a mountain of unwritten rules governing everyday life everybody is expected to follow, and a fiendishly difficult language that's spoken by no-one else. It also probably helps that the biggest non-Japanese ethnic group has historically strong ties to a country that is fanatically hostile to Japan (North Korea). I suppose that if we all could switch to speaking Finnish or Basque, we might be off to a good start?
  51. One of the interesting questions to which we will probably never get an honest answer is how much gay men incline toward different kinds of attitudes, professions, and subdisciplines, and how much over- and under-representation they exhibit in these domains.

    I rather have the impression that there are many more gay men in academe than in the larger population, and that in certain areas — say the classics and logic — they are quite disproportionately represented. Is that impression borne out by the data? God only knows, of course, because we can’t ask such questions today.

    But would it be surprising if more gay men than others are attracted to the many beauties of the now very conservative Western Canon, especially with its white male heroes?

  52. The core ideas of the FN were always cogent, and never needed ‘refinement’, although its erstwhile leader, Jean-Marie Le Pen, wasn’t exactly prepossessing. (His granddaughter, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, also involved in politics, is, on the other hand, exactly the opposite — she is very attractive.) It’s just that the French media viciously vilified the FN. Now, however, things have developed to the point where the core ideas of the FN appeal to a great many more people, and so that kind of blanket, irrational treatment by the media — which the personality of Jean-Marie Le Pen made easier — just does not have the same power anymore.

    • Replies: @Jo S'more

    (His granddaughter, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, also involved in politics, is, on the other hand, exactly the opposite — she is very attractive.)
     
    Now that, fellow readers, is a Frenchwoman. If the red-blooded Frenchmen aren't willing to defend their women against the immivasion of all manner of comers, they don't deserve their country and they won't have their women.
  53. Makes me wonder: did Margaret Thatcher attract a coterie of gays? I did find this:

    … it was Mrs T’s personality which attracted so many homosexual men to the party. In a profession dominated by men with dandruff and hair coming out of their noses or women who appear to have been dragged through a hedge backwards (a la Shirley Williams), the pure elegance, feminine perfection, perfect dress sense, and sheer determination to change society drew many gay men to the Iron Lady.

    Generic American nationalism needs one of those. Sarah Palin is too much of a nitwit, and her aesthetic, “grizzly mom” posturing aside, is pure yuppie striver.

    • Replies: @5371
    To think that there were no homos in the Tory Party till Mrs Thatcher put them there with her impression of the Angela Lansbury character from "Manchurian Candidate" is naive.
  54. @WhatEvvs
    Strange new respect for the French from the American right (excluding the Sailer/Unz wing), and strange new hate for the French from the US Obama lovin' left?

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/european-leaders-discuss-iran-nuclear-talks-1426845251

    Strange bedfellows indeed.

    Nothing strange about that, simply greed for Petro Dollars. Hollande wants to suck up to the Saudis by being anti – iranian. There have already been the first results in the form of Saudi financed weapon deals for Egypt and Lebanon.

  55. @unit472
    The Telegraph has a less enthusiastic article this morning.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11486372/Should-we-be-scared-of-Marine-Le-Pens-Front-National.html

    There is also the strange pro Putin tilt to these anti EU parties that maybe more than skin deep. In any event traditional political alliances and orders both in Europe and the US seem to be fracturing and these new amalgamations of anti immigrant/nationalist sentiment are all over the place in regards to economic policy with Le Pen's FN leaning left and Farage's UKIP more pro market, free trade. How any of them view NATO and European security isn't really clear nor does it seem to be a priority to them

    Russia poses zero threat to Europe; US/NATO/EU pose an existential threat to Russia.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Tell that to a Ukrainian, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian, or Pole.

    I agree in a game of Risk I'd rather be the USA than Russia right now, but it's never been too nice sharing a border with Russia. I think most Poles would rather put up with the occasional gay-rights march than be in Russia's sphere of influence again. Why do you think they love Reagan so much?

    I get that on some level to you guys Putin is 'good' because he's 'right' and the Communists were 'bad' because they were 'left', but from the point of view of an Eastern European they are both simply part of Russian power. Whatever the ideology, to some extent there is simply just power politics, and if I were Polish I'd be more afraid of Russia (which could occupy me, and has in the past, trying to wipe out my culture) than the USA (which, whatever its other sins, will never, ever try to annex Poland.)
  56. The NYT says someone is unstoppable as a way of stopping them. Some reality therapy; the FN have two MPs they would need 200 for power. Their strength is in the old French Communist party strongholds, and like the Communist party was they are completely isolated from the rest of the population. The FN will be judicially disrupted (like Vlaams Block was) if it gets anywhere near power. The French state would turn to a military strongman before handing over the state to the FN. The French applauded the massacre of the party that won elections in Algeria not that long ago. but that wouldn’t be necessary; nor will an Egypt style state clampdown. The FN will not be allowed to participate in elections that it might come close to winning. There is the nation and the state; they are not the same. See Raspail Fatherland Betrayed by the Republic It appeared in Le Figaro Magazine in 2004.

    When the Marianne [statue of Liberty] on our town halls takes the beautiful face of a young immigrant Frenchwoman, this day France will have crossed a line while bringing alive fully the values of the Republic…

    The man who said that in 2002 is Laurent Fabius

  57. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    If their MSM is giving this guy the floor, on TV talk shows, that's huge. In America, the chance of you, or the Derb, or even Mark Steyn, getting onto "Meet the Press" to debate immigration grows ever smaller, as the official narrative grows ever more absurd (and thus fragile).

    As I’ve been pointing out, the more often Muslim terrorists in Europe massacre Jews, the more the Overton Window shifts. From the New York Times:
     
    You misunderstand the NYTimes. Just as Rosenthal's grandfather didn't lift a finger for Polish Jews during WW2, Rosenthal doesn't give a crap for Jews today.

    Is there even a forum in the MSM that would even allow such a discussion to take place?

    FOX is decidedly pro-immigration now (see Mickey Kaus’ column being squashed on Tucker Carlson’s “Daily Caller”.) FOX is the only right-wing news organization with any broad penetration.

    The left-wing seems to have collectively decided that mass immigration forms the foundation of their “Maslow Pyramid” despite its impact on wages, housing, the environment, etc.; i.e., all the things you’d imagine the Left would otherwise care about and which are antagonized by it.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Courtesy of Yglesias, but everyone on the right ought to reference this map when discussing immigration. Most of the countries in the world don't have an advanced enough civilization to consistently produce clean drinking water: http://www.vox.com/2014/8/13/5998765/map-all-the-places-where-the-cdc-says-you-cant-drink-the-water

    So what happens when red swamps green?
    , @24AheadDotCom
    Memo: Kaus is absolutely worthless as anything other than an entertainer. In 2007 he had a marginally smart idea - have his readers make oppo ads to show amnesty supporters what they could face in future elections - but he hasn't come up with any action plans since then and he refuses to help with smarter plans that would stop amnesty.

    Regarding your claim about the "left-wing", I just asked them and they haven't made any such decision: http://24ahead.com/n/11005 It's only the idiocy and the corruption of "conservatives" that means that can't be used against Obama. For instance, instead of pointing out how high immigration impedes left-wing goals, leading conservatives present opposing high immigration as only a conservative thing and in effect tells liberals that they should support high immigration.

    Cagey Beast: MLP is way too Frankish-instead-of-kissed-by-the-south looking, but perhaps the attraction is because she can make an argument and go after her detractors and show them wrong? If Mittens had such a pair he'd be king of the free world.

  58. @David R. Merridale
    Russia poses zero threat to Europe; US/NATO/EU pose an existential threat to Russia.

    Tell that to a Ukrainian, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian, or Pole.

    I agree in a game of Risk I’d rather be the USA than Russia right now, but it’s never been too nice sharing a border with Russia. I think most Poles would rather put up with the occasional gay-rights march than be in Russia’s sphere of influence again. Why do you think they love Reagan so much?

    I get that on some level to you guys Putin is ‘good’ because he’s ‘right’ and the Communists were ‘bad’ because they were ‘left’, but from the point of view of an Eastern European they are both simply part of Russian power. Whatever the ideology, to some extent there is simply just power politics, and if I were Polish I’d be more afraid of Russia (which could occupy me, and has in the past, trying to wipe out my culture) than the USA (which, whatever its other sins, will never, ever try to annex Poland.)

    • Replies: @anon
    Russia did not try to wipe out Polish culture during its two occupations of Poland. The new world order will wipe it out through immigration within the lifetimes of the young Poles of today. There's not much third-world immigration in Poland yet, but there will be.
    , @David R. Merridale
    Poland and the Baltics are all members of both the EU and NATO. Barring a catastrophic East-West war (unlikely even given current Western fecklessness), those countries are absolutely secure against Russian aggression, and even influence except of the sort that is natural between neighbouring countries.

    Ukraine is a different matter. The Western Ukrainian revolutionaries are very likely f*cked. Russia made it clear long ago that they would go mental if the West tried to pull Ukraine into the Western camp. In 2013/14 we tried, and they did. That's not what I'd aggression. I'd call it a defensive reaction. If you want to argue it was paranoiac over-defensiveness, go ahead. My guess is that the Ukrainian revolution would have sent any Russian government into a fit, not just Putin.

    We focus on the external aspect of the Ukrainian crisis, with Russia "fomenting" unrest in Novorussia (lovely, stale fart of a word, "fomenting"; crappy bad-faith arguments seem draw out the dowdy, worn-out vocabulary). Russia has done its share of fomenting, of course, but the roots of the Ukrainian crisis are internal. Ukraine is unable to reform itself and unable to manage its linguistic and political tensions in a civilized way.

    If you doubt that last point, I highly recommend an article by Keith Gessen (Masha Gessen's sane brother) in the London Review of Books last September, "Why Not Kill Them All":

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n17/keith-gessen/why-not-kill-them-all

    In fact, I'd recommend it to anyone remotely interested in the crisis; it's a great article.

    , @Menschmaschine
    if I were Polish I’d be more afraid of Russia (which could occupy me, and has in the past, trying to wipe out my culture) than the USA (which, whatever its other sins, will never, ever try to annex Poland.)

    Of course, the last time Poland was annexed by the SU/Russia, they came in Lend & Lease Jeeps, with uniforms made of US-supplied cloth, feeding on corned beef rations from the choicest american cows. Roosevelt was only too eager to hand Poland (and the rest of eastern europe) over to his great buddy "Uncle Joe" Stalin.
  59. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:
    @Anon
    Note that three of the four comments that are the 'NYT picks' for this article are more or less sympathetic to the FN.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/magazine/the-national-fronts-post-charlie-hebdo-moment.html

    “Note that three of the four comments that are the ‘NYT picks’ for this article are more or less sympathetic to the FN.”

    Make barbarians(white gentiles) fight barbarians(Muslims).

    Oldest trick in the book.

  60. New Republic Writer: The Word ‘Taxpayer’ Tilts In Favor of Conservatives and Should Be Eliminated

    You don’t have to be Frank Luntz or George Lakoff to know that linguistic framing matters a great deal in politics. Sometimes, however, nuance is in the eye of the beholder. The New Republic’s Elizabeth Stoker Bruenig, for example, considers “taxpayer” an ideologically weighted term.

    In a Thursday article pegged to the just-released House Republican budget for fiscal 2016, Bruenig claimed that the use of “taxpayers” (rather than “people”) when discussing fiscal and economic issues benefits conservatives for reasons including that it “seems to subtly promote the idea that a person’s share in our democratic governance should depend upon their contribution in taxes” and bolsters the makers-vs.-takers argument that became associated with the GOP during the 2012 campaign.

    Libs are bashing themselves now. But that’s not the half of it. Whites are much more likely to be taxpayers, so the term also favors them over blacks. Taxpayers = racist dog whistle, lol.

  61. @NOTA
    Republicans tolerate gays, too. Under bush, the party chairman was a pretty-much open gay man (Mehlman). The differences between the parties on gay rights is about marriage licenses and discrimination laws. Similarly, I imagine the moderate pro-Western factions in, say, Egypt and Iraq aren't too keen on gay rights.

    So it’s not a gay v. straight cultural battle, but Dolce & Gabbana v. Elton John.

  62. @unit472
    The Telegraph has a less enthusiastic article this morning.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11486372/Should-we-be-scared-of-Marine-Le-Pens-Front-National.html

    There is also the strange pro Putin tilt to these anti EU parties that maybe more than skin deep. In any event traditional political alliances and orders both in Europe and the US seem to be fracturing and these new amalgamations of anti immigrant/nationalist sentiment are all over the place in regards to economic policy with Le Pen's FN leaning left and Farage's UKIP more pro market, free trade. How any of them view NATO and European security isn't really clear nor does it seem to be a priority to them

    There is also the strange pro Putin tilt to these anti EU parties that maybe more than skin deep.

    Yes, the FN, the is quite sympathetic to Russia and Putin, as is the Catholic conservative Phillippe de Villiers, who met with Putin recently to sign a deal to build upmarket theme parks in Crimea and outside Moscow.

    Putin also has support at the more wild and wooly end of the French political spectrum with Alain Soral’s site publishing articles like last week’s “Why Putin Must Be Supported”. Soral’s publishing house also sells a flattering biography of Putin called Vladimir Bonaparte Poutine, which appears to currently be sold out. Soral uses his book, DVD and pay-per-view online videos to pay for his legal fees and fines and wears t-shirts for his court appearances that he then sells copies of online. His last two said “French without fear, Christian beyond reproach” and “Goy” on them. He and Dieudonné both have websites that are around the top 300s in France for visitors and have joined up to run candidates in the next local elections under the Equality and Reconciliation Party banner. They could potentially poach some of the vibrant vote from the Socialists.

    Here are the two of them out and about town:

  63. @Anonymous
    Is there even a forum in the MSM that would even allow such a discussion to take place?

    FOX is decidedly pro-immigration now (see Mickey Kaus' column being squashed on Tucker Carlson's "Daily Caller".) FOX is the only right-wing news organization with any broad penetration.

    The left-wing seems to have collectively decided that mass immigration forms the foundation of their "Maslow Pyramid" despite its impact on wages, housing, the environment, etc.; i.e., all the things you'd imagine the Left would otherwise care about and which are antagonized by it.

    Courtesy of Yglesias, but everyone on the right ought to reference this map when discussing immigration. Most of the countries in the world don’t have an advanced enough civilization to consistently produce clean drinking water: http://www.vox.com/2014/8/13/5998765/map-all-the-places-where-the-cdc-says-you-cant-drink-the-water

    So what happens when red swamps green?

  64. @SFG
    That may have been a bit of an exaggeration: my point is that we associate 'right-wing' with 'nationalist' and 'anti-gay', whereas a gay person in another country might be more afraid of an immigrant group that is viciously homophobic than of nationalists. I.E., the political categories aren't necessarily as clear-cut when you travel in space and time. It's hard to map the Democratic-Republican-Federalist disagreements onto modern left-vs-right axes, for example.

    It was more of a theoretical point about political spectra than an attempt to pick on conservatives for defending traditional values, sorry.

    Oh, I agree with that. I did not read your post that way so maybe the fault is mine. I think the single axis political spectrum is useless. Steve Sailer and I probably agree on some things, but would disagree on most things. Putting us on the “right” just because neither of us are Progressives is rather silly. It really falls apart when you try to transport it to Europe or China.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    . I think the single axis political spectrum is useless
     
    It's not useless. Right is reactionary, i.e., retro, everywhere. It's just that nations differ, as does the past each nation's right wants to return to.

    Now, the Left… that's the same everywhere. It's all about power and nothing else.
  65. the GOP spends a lot of time going after gay people:

    The GOP spends no time going after gay people. Gay activists push for this or that special accommodation and the GOP just declines to join in the chorus of cheers. When the cheerleaders stick a microphone in their faces and demand to know why they dare not cheer, they just say they think that traditional family units contribute to society and deserve the support of society and gays can do what they wish but shouldn’t expect special favors.

  66. @eah
    The core ideas of the FN were always cogent, and never needed 'refinement', although its erstwhile leader, Jean-Marie Le Pen, wasn't exactly prepossessing. (His granddaughter, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, also involved in politics, is, on the other hand, exactly the opposite -- she is very attractive.) It's just that the French media viciously vilified the FN. Now, however, things have developed to the point where the core ideas of the FN appeal to a great many more people, and so that kind of blanket, irrational treatment by the media -- which the personality of Jean-Marie Le Pen made easier -- just does not have the same power anymore.

    (His granddaughter, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, also involved in politics, is, on the other hand, exactly the opposite — she is very attractive.)

    Now that, fellow readers, is a Frenchwoman. If the red-blooded Frenchmen aren’t willing to defend their women against the immivasion of all manner of comers, they don’t deserve their country and they won’t have their women.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast

    Marion Maréchal-Le Pen Describes Herself as "Old Stock French"
    March 16, 2015

    http://images.charentelibre.fr/images/2015/03/16/marion-marechal-le-pen-se-revendique-francaise-de-souche_478999_536x233p.jpg

    The FN Member of Parliament, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen described herself as "Française de souche" ["of French roots"] because she "has no immigrant origins"
    ....
    "This reference [to "Français de souche"] is despised by the political class because it reveals that an ancient French people really does exist had has barely changed over many centuries and from which a majority of our fellow citizens still descends. It is on this basis that we must assimilate our new arrivals" she added.
     

    http://www.charentelibre.fr/2015/03/16/marion-marechal-le-pen-se-revendique-francaise-de-souche,1944935.php
    , @syonredux
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Mar%C3%A9chal-Le_Pen#/media/File:Marion_Mar%C3%A9chal-Le_Pen_-_2012-04-22_-_Cropped.jpg

    It is now sixteen or seventeen years since I saw the queen of France, then the dauphiness, at Versailles; and surely never lighted on this orb, which she hardly seemed to touch, a more delightful vision. I saw her just above the horizon, decorating and cheering the elevated sphere she just began to move in,—glittering like the morning-star, full of life, and splendour, and joy. Oh! what a revolution! and what a heart must I have to contemplate without emotion that elevation and that fall! Little did I dream when she added titles of veneration to those of enthusiastic, distant, respectful love, that she should ever be obliged to carry the sharp antidote against disgrace concealed in that bosom; little did I dream that I should have lived to see such disasters fallen upon her in a nation of gallant men, in a nation of men of honour, and of cavaliers. I thought ten thousand swords must have leaped from their scabbards to avenge even a look that threatened her with insult. But the age of chivalry is gone. That of sophisters, economists, and calculators, has succeeded; and the glory of Europe is extinguished for ever. Never, never more shall we behold that generous loyalty to rank and sex, that proud submission, that dignified obedience, that subordination of the heart, which kept alive, even in servitude itself, the spirit of an exalted freedom. The unbought grace of life, the cheap defence of nations, the nurse of manly sentiment and heroic enterprise, is gone!
     
    Burke,

    Reflections on the Revolution in France
     
  67. @SFG
    Tell that to a Ukrainian, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian, or Pole.

    I agree in a game of Risk I'd rather be the USA than Russia right now, but it's never been too nice sharing a border with Russia. I think most Poles would rather put up with the occasional gay-rights march than be in Russia's sphere of influence again. Why do you think they love Reagan so much?

    I get that on some level to you guys Putin is 'good' because he's 'right' and the Communists were 'bad' because they were 'left', but from the point of view of an Eastern European they are both simply part of Russian power. Whatever the ideology, to some extent there is simply just power politics, and if I were Polish I'd be more afraid of Russia (which could occupy me, and has in the past, trying to wipe out my culture) than the USA (which, whatever its other sins, will never, ever try to annex Poland.)

    Russia did not try to wipe out Polish culture during its two occupations of Poland. The new world order will wipe it out through immigration within the lifetimes of the young Poles of today. There’s not much third-world immigration in Poland yet, but there will be.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    Only a partial truth. Consult the Wikipedia article on Russification, for example. The policy of Russification in the eastern half of Poland that was then under the Russian occupation reached its peak in the late 19th century after Russia had brutally suppressed the November Uprising of 1830-1 and the January Uprising of 1863. Chopin composed his Revolutionary Etude in anger over the Russian bombardment of Warsaw in 1831, and Jules Verne's Captain Nemo, a Byronic hero created in the wake of the January Uprising, was originally a Polish nobleman whose family was brutally butchered by the Russians. Polish language and literature were banned in schools, many schools and universities were closed, etc. Joseph Conrad left Poland after the January Uprising to avoid the Russian yoke. Maria Sklodowska-Curie left Poland for a similar reason.

    In the same way, Bismarck followed a brutal policy of Germanization in the western part of Poland that was occupied by the Prussians. No wonder that Nietzsche detested Prussia, and regarded Polish noblemen as his heroes. Albert Michelson, the first American Nobel laureate in Physics, was born in Prussian-occupied Polish territory to a Jewish father and Polish Catholic mother. Thousands of Germans emigrated to the U.S.
    to avoid Bismarck's Kulturkampf and military conscription.

    After WW II Polish children were required to study Russian (English was prohibited by Russia) until 1989, when the Talks of the Round Table in Poland precipitated the fall of Communism (months before the fall of the Berlin Wall) in the Soviet Block while Russian children studied were free to study English. Let's not forget that Communism ended so quickly once the talks began in Poland because the Russians knew the Polish were ready to fight, something that the East Germans or the Czechoslovaks would have never done. It takes a fighting spirit to retain a fairly large territory in the middle of Europe with 80 million Germans on one side and 145 million Russians on the other

    , @AP

    There’s not much third-world immigration in Poland yet, but there will be.
     
    Not in the short or medium term. Poland remains quite ethnically homogeneous (98% or so Polish) and although its economy has grown significantly since the fall of Communism and is now one of the EU's largest economies, Poland remains much poorer than next-door Germany.

    This means it will attract relatively few non-European immigrants moving to the EU: such immigrants have no established community to take care of them in Poland, and they will make much more money by moving to a country next door to Poland. Plus, I suspect they are much less likely to have learned the language in their native land. The only type of immigrants Poland is likely to get are people from next-door Ukraine, who by moving to Poland are close to their home, and who usually speak the Polish language or learn it quickly (the Polish and Ukrainian languages are quite similar). But why would a French-speaking Arab move to Poland where he probably has no family or community, will make much less money, and doesn't speak the language?

    Mass immigration from non-European countries Poland will only begin once Poland approaches Germany in per capita income - which may never happen.
  68. @unit472
    The Telegraph has a less enthusiastic article this morning.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11486372/Should-we-be-scared-of-Marine-Le-Pens-Front-National.html

    There is also the strange pro Putin tilt to these anti EU parties that maybe more than skin deep. In any event traditional political alliances and orders both in Europe and the US seem to be fracturing and these new amalgamations of anti immigrant/nationalist sentiment are all over the place in regards to economic policy with Le Pen's FN leaning left and Farage's UKIP more pro market, free trade. How any of them view NATO and European security isn't really clear nor does it seem to be a priority to them

    Russia is funding the National Front and the Syriza party in Greece.

  69. My favourite never-mentioned fact about the National Front is how the French Socialist Party put them on the map by changing the electoral system for the 1986 elections: they went from 0 out of 573 seats to 35 thanks to getting 9.65% of the vote under the new proportional system. Opinions seem to vary on whether this was another in the long line of Socialist idiocies or some kind of devious strategy to deprive the Right of a majority, but it’s worth keeping in mind any time Hollande and company start burbling about the extremist threat to the Republic.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_legislative_election,_1986

  70. As I predicted, Obama comes out in favor of mandatory voting:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2015/03/19/394051742/what-if-everyone-in-america-had-to-vote

    “In Australia and some other countries, there’s mandatory voting,” Obama said at an economic event in Cleveland. “It would be transformative if everybody voted — that would counteract money more than anything.”

  71. @iSteveFan

    Jews aren’t always worried about non-Jewish nationalism. In fact, it appears that they quite admire the Japanese for having it, at least according to an interesting article I found about how Japan keeps away the Islamic invasion:
     
    Thanks for the link to this article. But I think one plausible explanation for Jews not worried about non-Jewish nationalism in Japan is that Japan doesn't really have a discernible population of Jews. Therefore, it won't affect them. It would be more eye opening for them to write a story like this about a nation with a more significant Jewish population.

    My guess is they are using Japan as an example for Israel to follow. And I don't begrudge them at all. I actually wish our side in the USA would use Japan as an example too. But the MSM has promoted the idea that the Japanese are going to go extinct without immigration. So it has effectively been taken off the table as an example to point to about sane immigration policies.

    Our side should work on counter arguments which disprove this notion that Japan will die off without immigration. Japan could be a good example for us to follow. Apparently there are people in Israel who feel that way about Japan.

    It’s hard to take Ladague’s article seriously since it seems to consist of a bunch of pretty dubious assertions (“negative attitude toward Islam and Muslims pervades every level of the population”) without any evidence to support them. In any case speculating on Jewish attitudes to nationalism in a country with next-to-no Jews seems like a fool’s errand. (As Steve has pointed out, the Jewish push to cozy up to China is far more interesting.)

    What lessons about immigration policy are we supposed to draw from Japan, exactly? Many of the obstacles to immigration in Japan are not the result of government policy: off the top of my head, a high-trust culture that’s opaque to outsiders, a mountain of unwritten rules governing everyday life everybody is expected to follow, and a fiendishly difficult language that’s spoken by no-one else. It also probably helps that the biggest non-Japanese ethnic group has historically strong ties to a country that is fanatically hostile to Japan (North Korea). I suppose that if we all could switch to speaking Finnish or Basque, we might be off to a good start?

    • Replies: @Jim
    What is so fiendishly difficult about the Japanese language?
  72. @Buzz Mohawk
    Well, since sex came up, I can't resist.

    A long time ago, I discovered that women on the political right were better lovers than those on the left. Also, the first gay friends I ever had were republicans.

    People on the political right are sexier, more highly and in more ways, than those on the left. On average in my experience anyway.

    These discoveries began in college and continued into young adulthood. At first I expected politically liberal women, democrats, to be better in bed. I thought they would be more open and free. Instead, most were rather vanilla. Nothing wrong with that, but they were surprisingly "conservative" about lovemaking.

    Young women who self-identified as republicans, or who had conservative views, were often very wild and fun. They liked a man to be a man, and they didn't see the bedroom as a political arena. They enjoyed everything more. Some of them had spicy tastes.

    This is just one man's sampling, but it all finally made sense, to me anyway. It goes along with something I keep returning to: current liberal ways are actually puritanical. Everyone is trying too hard to be "correct" in everything: what they eat, what they think, what they say, and how they f*ck.

    On Australian TV there is a good comedy called Rake about a libertine male lawyer, and this lawyer character says exactly what you’re saying. Liberal women spend lots of time talking about sex and pointing out the supposed sexual hang ups of conservatives, but in practice they aren’t particularly experienced or good at lovemaking.

    Having said that I think left liberals tend to come in two types – hedonists and purtians. The former tend to be lazier and more into drugs and having a wild time, while the later tend to be educated, hard working and self-righteous. In political, legal and academic circles, most liberal women will tend to be puritans.

  73. @Batisto Nunca
    A single article that's heavy on dubious statements and light on any evidence seems a bit flimsy to hang that assertion on. Japanese are pretty skeptical of immigration in general but the idea that they are admired by Jews for it sounds like nonsense.

    More relevant to Jewish opinion about Japan is the NYT's pathological hostility to Japan and the Japanese establishment, going back at least a decade if not more. For an immigration example see this classic hit piece from 2011: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/world/asia/03japan.html

    It's all there: sob story about a poor Indonesian nurse who desperately wants to take jobs away from Japanese nurses (or maybe Japanese robots) but is oppressed by the cruel Japanese language proficiency exam; liberal quotes from immigration advocates with vested interests in undermining Japanese wages; finger wagging about the looming perils of a declining birthrate; laments over the inequity of an immigration policy that mysteriously seems to have no actual defenders.

    And of course there's also the one-sided pro-Chinese and pro-Korean coverage of anything to do with conflicts between either of those countries and Japan. One is tempted to wonder what makes them dislike Japan so much, is it the strait-laced and rule-bound culture that puts them off, or is it just that Japanese girls are less willing to put out for Jewish nerds than Chinese girls are?

    I don’t know about Korea, but I almost never see a positive slant towards China in the mainstream media. Almost all the well regarded be it left or right news like Wall Street Journal, Tea leaf nation or the NYT (I’m sure that the chinese ban on NYT contributes to this) are heavily anti-China. But I agree that they tend to not like Japan either.

    • Replies: @Batisto Nunca
    I brought up the anti-Japanese slant of the NYT and its bias in Japan-Korea and Japan-China disputes as a counterexample to Ladague's absurd assertion that Jews admire Japanese nationalism.

    The media may be anti-Chinese in some sense but somehow it never seems to rise to the level of seriously rethinking whether we should be letting them make our Nikes for us. They may be corrupt and oppressive (though not as much as those horrible Russkies!) but shackling our economy to China's is apparently A-OK.
  74. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    I can see how Muslims are a problem to Jews in France, but isn’t the bigger problem the black Africans, some of whom are Muslim, some of whom are not.

    In the long run, it will be tough/strong/aggressive black Africans(weaned on American rap culture)that will pose a bigger threat to the white race and Europe than Muslims will.

    But talking about blacks isn’t permissible so there is this constant fixation on Muslims.
    But suppose Muslims don’t hate Jews and aren’t attacking them.
    Isn’t there still the problem of black violence and crime in Europe?
    Isn’t there the problem of increasing interracism and mixing of genes and loss of European uniqueness?
    None of that seems to bother Jews. If anything, Jews seem to delight in the utter deracination of the white race and even call for more.

    So, who the hell cares what Muslims do to Jews?

    If Jews decide to go against blacks, maybe whites should help Jews against Muslims.
    Otherwise, forget it.

    I mean NYT is upset that they don’t have a story of a black guy lynched in Mississippi.

    White folks need to restore their moral authority, racial pride, and tribal unity.
    They must stop feeling morally/spiritually deficient, indeed as if unless they have holy Jews on their side, they ar a bunch of ‘racist’ shits. I say revel in the good race-ism of pride, unity, and power.

    This sense of white moral deficiency has reached such grotesque levels that white churches now believe they have to fly the ‘gay flag’ to score moral points.

    Jews as Jews feel justified. Blacks as blacks feel justified. Mexers as Mexers feel justified. Muslims as Muslims feel justified.
    But whites as whites feel incomplete, empty, and guilty. Only by associating themselves with holy Jews, magic Negroes, angelic homos, or etc, can straight white gentiles feel any kind of moral worth.

    Enough with this associative pride and worth. Whites should feel pride and worthy simply for being white. Whites need to restore independent pride and worth. Sweden was Swedish for many centuries, but it was full of pride. It’s only in recent times, due to PC cult of ‘diversity’ spread around the world by academia and Hollywood, that white nations began to feel deficient unless they this magic pill called ‘diversity’.

    A truly proud people feel worthy for what they are, not over whom they are associated with.

    Can you imagine Jews feeling unworthy unless they have Chinese or Eskimos by their side endorsing them?

  75. @Jo S'more

    (His granddaughter, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, also involved in politics, is, on the other hand, exactly the opposite — she is very attractive.)
     
    Now that, fellow readers, is a Frenchwoman. If the red-blooded Frenchmen aren't willing to defend their women against the immivasion of all manner of comers, they don't deserve their country and they won't have their women.

    Marion Maréchal-Le Pen Describes Herself as “Old Stock French”
    March 16, 2015

    The FN Member of Parliament, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen described herself as “Française de souche” [“of French roots”] because she “has no immigrant origins”
    ….
    “This reference [to “Français de souche”] is despised by the political class because it reveals that an ancient French people really does exist had has barely changed over many centuries and from which a majority of our fellow citizens still descends. It is on this basis that we must assimilate our new arrivals” she added.

    http://www.charentelibre.fr/2015/03/16/marion-marechal-le-pen-se-revendique-francaise-de-souche,1944935.php

  76. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    Do you suppose white political cravenness can be explained by the Titanic Factor?

    Maybe white politicians know the game is over for white politics and power. So, all they have left is to save and salvage themselves and their goodies.
    Suppose the ship is sinking for sure. What do you do? You can’t save the ship. And if you try to help others, you might die with them. So, all that’s left for you to do is get on the lifeboat with your own goodies.

    White folks took it for granted that white power would be permanent. But it’s sinking fast. And with Jews and homos in control, there is no effective white influence to speak of. So, white elites and politicians are in panic mode. Since the white ship is sinking and most whites are gonna go under the tide of color, what is there for the elites and politicians to do but save their own skins in fancy gentrified cities and institutions where they curry favors from oligarchs. It is their lifeboat.

    If the white ship weren’t sinking and could be saved, maybe more white politicians and elites might risk their necks for the good of the whole. But if the ship is gonna go down for sure, why bother?
    Same in war. If there’s still a chance of defending your nation, you might risk your neck for the good of the whole. But if your nation is sure to face defeat and if the enemy is sure to occupy your nation and do as it pleases, why risk your neck anymore? Why not try to save your own skin and curry favor with the enemy–like the Landa character in INGLORIOUS BASTERDS.
    If there’s some chance of winning, you might risk it. But if there is no chance, the only choice left is to play the whore and save yourself OR perish or face enslavement with the rest.

    Because white elites and politicos know it’s all lost, they are caving to every globo-oligarchic demands: amnesty, ‘gay marriage’, cult of diversity, hosannas to MLK and Mandela, eradication of Confederate symbols, calling for War on Russia and Iran, etc.
    It’s all about saving themselves since the white power ship is gone. All that is left is Jews and homos who get to decide to gets on the lifeboat and who doesn’t.
    And white elites and politicos wanna get on.

    When the game is lost, many elite types will just try to save themselves. When France lost to Germany, many French elites just collaborated. When Germany lost to USSR and US, many German elites(even virulent Nazi ones) switched loyalties to save themselves. Japanese elites acted the same way with the American occupiers. Few people have the will and courage to resist to the end. (In France, many in the Resistance were communists and Jews not necessarily because they were nobler but because they were two groups who were not offered a chance to whore themselves out to save their skins. They had no choice but to resist and risk their necks since the only other option was imprisonment or death.)

    Another reason for the sheer cravenness of the white elites and politicos is that American politics has become very much a zero sum game of winners and losers.
    In the past, there were gradations of rights and wrongs about everything.
    You didn’t have to totally agree with the prevailing orthodoxy or fashion to be allowed to stay in the game.

    On the race issue, one could have a position in society for being pro-MLk, neutral about MLK, anti-MLK, and etc. Even into the 1980s, the National Review had doubts about the lionization of MLK. Today, one has to be pro-MLK or else. If you mouth just the slightest criticism of the Bouncer of the Mall, you get in big big trouble.

    Same in regard to Jews. There was a time when you could be pro-Israel, neutral about Israel, or an ‘Arabist’. Today, you better be a philo-Semite or else. The recent criticism of Netanhayu is about personality, not about Jews. He’s excoriated for acting like a jerk… though it’s amusing how Liberals are conflicted in having to choose between Obama the black guy and Netanhayu the Jewish guy. After all, Libs are supposed to be so pro-black and pro-Jewish.
    And there’s the homo issue. There was a time when people in media, entertainment, and government could be pro-homo, neutral about homo, or anti-homo. Today, unless you’re pro-homo, you’re OUT.
    So, it’s all a zero sum game of WIN or LOSE ALL. This is the effect of PC that promoted a very Manichean rule of power and politics. “If you are not for THIS, then we are all against you and destroy you completely.” Under this kind of pressure, the craven white elites and politicos just go along with whatever happens to the new mantra or correctness because they are not offered a choice of pro-, neutral, or anti-. They can only be pro- on some things and only be anti- on other things.

    This shouldn’t be too surprising given the natural personalities of Jews, homos, and blacks. Jews are pushy and arrogant by nature. Homos are sneering, snotty, and whoopy-a-poo by nature. Negroes, as allies of Jews and homos, are loud, brash, and crazy like Al Sharpton or self-centered & unreflective like Charles Blow(hard). Or that Tessy Coates mofo.

    Once these people got the power, they don’t want anyone disagreeing with them on anything. If they say we can only be pro-something, we better be for pro-that-thing because the rule of zero sum game says all other options are FAIL.

    Even Razhid Khan the non-white got wiped out by zero-sum game or zero-sum-shame.

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/razib-khan-hired-and-fired-by-the-new-york-times-both-on-the-same-day/

  77. @SFG
    Here's another thing we forget because the GOP spends a lot of time going after gay people: lots of western Europeans tolerate gays. Muslims don't. So if you're gay, your country going Muslim is a very, very bad thing.

    I think it was the Dutch who had new Dutchmen going through the citizenship process watch a video talking about the fact that they would be expected to abide by European values, which showed two women kissing.

    Gays versus Muslims? Eh, I'll go with the gays. I never saw a gay guy cutting people's heads off, and what they do in their gay sex clubs is their business--AIDS practically never hit heterosexuals.

    Republicans (though you likely mean conservatives) don’t “go after gay people”. I know you likely think history began in 1962 and there was never a gay before that, but gays and the America that Steve is always remembering managed to get along. People just didn’t want the stuff shoved under their nose.

    What you see now is conservative pushback against homos being used as a tool to try and disrupt the family and religion by classifying homosexuality as “genetic” via a 1994 twin study that has never been reproduced and fabricated papers by noted pedophile Dr. John Money. This is so they can get magical “protected class” status.

    • Replies: @SFG
    There's been gay forever; societies deal with it in different ways. Romans and Greeks knew about it but expected them to raise families anyway, as the state needed soldiers. Medieval Europeans probably turned a lot of them into monks. Thailand has the kathoey (ladyboys). We had our 'confirmed bachelors' and so on.

    I'd actually say it's more severe than that--they're going to make it so you can't refuse to serve gay people even if it violates your beliefs (like the wedding cake people), and eventually might force churches to hire openly gay people, etc.

    My point was more that the signature issue of the GOP for a while was opposing gay domination, so it's hard for us to understand that in Europe gay people might feel more threatened by Muslims cutting their heads off, and might be less worried about the right.
  78. @nglaer
    Yes, they are, Marine especially, all over the MSM. It makes a difference that there is a French "nation" which everyone acknowledges; it is not a "nation of immigrants" etc. That different narrative starting point, plus the fact that acknowledged heroes like De Gaulle stressed that point, makes a big difference. (I've been in Paris for 2 plus weeks).
    Plus, Marine is really, really attractive in the media, quick on her feet, a kind of raspy night-club singer voice, she's really cool. I love her even though she's not that pretty (and I'm not gay).
  79. Many of the obstacles to immigration in Japan are not the result of government policy:

    We can learn from Japan that we don’t need large scale immigration. There is none because the Japanese government doesn’t allow large scale immigration. Hence, you sentence is nonsensical.

    • Replies: @Batisto Nunca
    Maybe you should re-read what I wrote again: "Many of the obstacles are not the result of government policy". I'm not sure how you managed to quote that and yet write "the Japanese government doesn’t allow large scale immigration". Just like in the US, the Usual Suspects in Japan call for immigration to alleviate a labour shortage, but the Japanese people are generally unenthusiastic about immigration (I gave some reasons) and so the Japanese government is able to easily please the voters by doing nothing. In the US it's not so simple, we have Diversity is Our Strength and A Nation of Immigrants for the mass media to bamboozle people with.

    Asserting that the US doesn't need large-scale immigration because Japan is getting along fine without it isn't going to fly. Rightly or wrongly, plenty of people are going to dispute that Japan is "getting along fine", and there's also the obvious objection that Japan isn't the US. If we're talking about an effective rhetorical strategy for opposing large-scale immigration, starting with one that isn't trivial to poke holes in is probably a good start.
  80. @Jo S'more

    (His granddaughter, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, also involved in politics, is, on the other hand, exactly the opposite — she is very attractive.)
     
    Now that, fellow readers, is a Frenchwoman. If the red-blooded Frenchmen aren't willing to defend their women against the immivasion of all manner of comers, they don't deserve their country and they won't have their women.

    It is now sixteen or seventeen years since I saw the queen of France, then the dauphiness, at Versailles; and surely never lighted on this orb, which she hardly seemed to touch, a more delightful vision. I saw her just above the horizon, decorating and cheering the elevated sphere she just began to move in,—glittering like the morning-star, full of life, and splendour, and joy. Oh! what a revolution! and what a heart must I have to contemplate without emotion that elevation and that fall! Little did I dream when she added titles of veneration to those of enthusiastic, distant, respectful love, that she should ever be obliged to carry the sharp antidote against disgrace concealed in that bosom; little did I dream that I should have lived to see such disasters fallen upon her in a nation of gallant men, in a nation of men of honour, and of cavaliers. I thought ten thousand swords must have leaped from their scabbards to avenge even a look that threatened her with insult. But the age of chivalry is gone. That of sophisters, economists, and calculators, has succeeded; and the glory of Europe is extinguished for ever. Never, never more shall we behold that generous loyalty to rank and sex, that proud submission, that dignified obedience, that subordination of the heart, which kept alive, even in servitude itself, the spirit of an exalted freedom. The unbought grace of life, the cheap defence of nations, the nurse of manly sentiment and heroic enterprise, is gone!

    Burke,

    Reflections on the Revolution in France

  81. @SFG
    Tell that to a Ukrainian, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian, or Pole.

    I agree in a game of Risk I'd rather be the USA than Russia right now, but it's never been too nice sharing a border with Russia. I think most Poles would rather put up with the occasional gay-rights march than be in Russia's sphere of influence again. Why do you think they love Reagan so much?

    I get that on some level to you guys Putin is 'good' because he's 'right' and the Communists were 'bad' because they were 'left', but from the point of view of an Eastern European they are both simply part of Russian power. Whatever the ideology, to some extent there is simply just power politics, and if I were Polish I'd be more afraid of Russia (which could occupy me, and has in the past, trying to wipe out my culture) than the USA (which, whatever its other sins, will never, ever try to annex Poland.)

    Poland and the Baltics are all members of both the EU and NATO. Barring a catastrophic East-West war (unlikely even given current Western fecklessness), those countries are absolutely secure against Russian aggression, and even influence except of the sort that is natural between neighbouring countries.

    Ukraine is a different matter. The Western Ukrainian revolutionaries are very likely f*cked. Russia made it clear long ago that they would go mental if the West tried to pull Ukraine into the Western camp. In 2013/14 we tried, and they did. That’s not what I’d aggression. I’d call it a defensive reaction. If you want to argue it was paranoiac over-defensiveness, go ahead. My guess is that the Ukrainian revolution would have sent any Russian government into a fit, not just Putin.

    We focus on the external aspect of the Ukrainian crisis, with Russia “fomenting” unrest in Novorussia (lovely, stale fart of a word, “fomenting”; crappy bad-faith arguments seem draw out the dowdy, worn-out vocabulary). Russia has done its share of fomenting, of course, but the roots of the Ukrainian crisis are internal. Ukraine is unable to reform itself and unable to manage its linguistic and political tensions in a civilized way.

    If you doubt that last point, I highly recommend an article by Keith Gessen (Masha Gessen’s sane brother) in the London Review of Books last September, “Why Not Kill Them All”:

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n17/keith-gessen/why-not-kill-them-all

    In fact, I’d recommend it to anyone remotely interested in the crisis; it’s a great article.

    • Replies: @SFG
    I actually agree that Russia feels threatened, and I don't really blame them--we have a hostile alliance (NATO) on their border. I'm just saying it's not true that Russia poses no threat to Europe; their border nations have the right to feel quite threatened indeed as well.

    Sometimes there are no clear good guys and bad guys, and international security relies on maintaining a balance of power that keeps everyone equally unhappy. Sometimes even that isn't possible, and everyone just has to muddle through as best they can.

    Thanks for the article, BTW.

    , @HA
    "Russia made it clear long ago that they would go mental if the West tried to pull Ukraine into the Western camp."

    Just to be clear, what you call "pulling Ukraine into the Western camp" is a trade agreement with the EU. That's it. It's worth noting that Ukraine's president Yanukovich, (i.e. Putin's puppet), had already made clear years earlier (in June of 2010) that Ukraine was no longer interested in NATO membership. (Say, do you remember the ensuing saber-rattling and amassing of tanks from the West that followed this devastating downturn in NATO's ancient ambitions to grab Ukraine for themselves? Me, neither.) Anyway, even then, it was made clear that this termination of NATO ambitions in no way precluded an EU trade agreement.


    President Yanukovych was elected earlier this year, vowing to end Ukraine's Nato membership ambitions and mend relations with Russia...

    "The main element of predictability and consistency in Ukraine's foreign policy is its non-aligned status," Prime Minister Mykola Azarov said as he submitted the bill...

    However, the new law will not affect Ukraine's political and economic integration with Europe.

    Joining the European Union remains a priority, Mr Azarov said.
     

    If Putin had a problem even with an EU trade agreement (which is itself a far cry from actually joining the EU), he might have done something about it earlier, instead of waiting until the agreement was signed and then hauling Yanukovich into the woodshed, whereupon the latter shamefacedly emerged and announced he was going to acquiesce to his master's wishes, thereby sparking the demonstrations that led to his downfall.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/10229626

  82. @Anonymous
    Is there even a forum in the MSM that would even allow such a discussion to take place?

    FOX is decidedly pro-immigration now (see Mickey Kaus' column being squashed on Tucker Carlson's "Daily Caller".) FOX is the only right-wing news organization with any broad penetration.

    The left-wing seems to have collectively decided that mass immigration forms the foundation of their "Maslow Pyramid" despite its impact on wages, housing, the environment, etc.; i.e., all the things you'd imagine the Left would otherwise care about and which are antagonized by it.

    Memo: Kaus is absolutely worthless as anything other than an entertainer. In 2007 he had a marginally smart idea – have his readers make oppo ads to show amnesty supporters what they could face in future elections – but he hasn’t come up with any action plans since then and he refuses to help with smarter plans that would stop amnesty.

    Regarding your claim about the “left-wing”, I just asked them and they haven’t made any such decision: http://24ahead.com/n/11005 It’s only the idiocy and the corruption of “conservatives” that means that can’t be used against Obama. For instance, instead of pointing out how high immigration impedes left-wing goals, leading conservatives present opposing high immigration as only a conservative thing and in effect tells liberals that they should support high immigration.

    Cagey Beast: MLP is way too Frankish-instead-of-kissed-by-the-south looking, but perhaps the attraction is because she can make an argument and go after her detractors and show them wrong? If Mittens had such a pair he’d be king of the free world.

    • Replies: @Glaivester
    What 24ahead is suggesting is a plan along these lines:

    Stop Amnesty Challenge

    (The original challenge was by 24 himself, I've updated it slightly).

    A good first step would be to start calling people out on Twitter, using pre-packaged links to relevant articles. I'm sure someone could add categories as well as more recent links.
  83. @David R. Merridale
    Poland and the Baltics are all members of both the EU and NATO. Barring a catastrophic East-West war (unlikely even given current Western fecklessness), those countries are absolutely secure against Russian aggression, and even influence except of the sort that is natural between neighbouring countries.

    Ukraine is a different matter. The Western Ukrainian revolutionaries are very likely f*cked. Russia made it clear long ago that they would go mental if the West tried to pull Ukraine into the Western camp. In 2013/14 we tried, and they did. That's not what I'd aggression. I'd call it a defensive reaction. If you want to argue it was paranoiac over-defensiveness, go ahead. My guess is that the Ukrainian revolution would have sent any Russian government into a fit, not just Putin.

    We focus on the external aspect of the Ukrainian crisis, with Russia "fomenting" unrest in Novorussia (lovely, stale fart of a word, "fomenting"; crappy bad-faith arguments seem draw out the dowdy, worn-out vocabulary). Russia has done its share of fomenting, of course, but the roots of the Ukrainian crisis are internal. Ukraine is unable to reform itself and unable to manage its linguistic and political tensions in a civilized way.

    If you doubt that last point, I highly recommend an article by Keith Gessen (Masha Gessen's sane brother) in the London Review of Books last September, "Why Not Kill Them All":

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n17/keith-gessen/why-not-kill-them-all

    In fact, I'd recommend it to anyone remotely interested in the crisis; it's a great article.

    I actually agree that Russia feels threatened, and I don’t really blame them–we have a hostile alliance (NATO) on their border. I’m just saying it’s not true that Russia poses no threat to Europe; their border nations have the right to feel quite threatened indeed as well.

    Sometimes there are no clear good guys and bad guys, and international security relies on maintaining a balance of power that keeps everyone equally unhappy. Sometimes even that isn’t possible, and everyone just has to muddle through as best they can.

    Thanks for the article, BTW.

  84. @Jack Hanson
    Republicans (though you likely mean conservatives) don't "go after gay people". I know you likely think history began in 1962 and there was never a gay before that, but gays and the America that Steve is always remembering managed to get along. People just didn't want the stuff shoved under their nose.

    What you see now is conservative pushback against homos being used as a tool to try and disrupt the family and religion by classifying homosexuality as "genetic" via a 1994 twin study that has never been reproduced and fabricated papers by noted pedophile Dr. John Money. This is so they can get magical "protected class" status.

    There’s been gay forever; societies deal with it in different ways. Romans and Greeks knew about it but expected them to raise families anyway, as the state needed soldiers. Medieval Europeans probably turned a lot of them into monks. Thailand has the kathoey (ladyboys). We had our ‘confirmed bachelors’ and so on.

    I’d actually say it’s more severe than that–they’re going to make it so you can’t refuse to serve gay people even if it violates your beliefs (like the wedding cake people), and eventually might force churches to hire openly gay people, etc.

    My point was more that the signature issue of the GOP for a while was opposing gay domination, so it’s hard for us to understand that in Europe gay people might feel more threatened by Muslims cutting their heads off, and might be less worried about the right.

  85. Gays seem to be drawn to tough cookie type women. One can speculate why.

  86. Japan recently tried allowing the immigration of ethnic Japanese from Brazil. It was a colossal failure. Never again.

  87. @pork pie hat
    Ha, another gay rightist. There was a Huffington Post piece, maybe this one:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-strange-strange-story_b_136697.html

    pointing out that disproportionately many of the people who care about the cultural composition of their nations (fascists) are gay - Pim Fortuyn, Geert Wilders, Jörg Haider - the Le Pens are an exception. Somewhere else (maybe here) that it was speculated that, because they don't have children themselves, their only genetic legacy is that of their race.

    Perhaps the epitome of this particular archetype is Yukio Mishima.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukio_Mishima

  88. It’s not only Marine Le Pen who has homosexual associations–her father did as well. In 1958 Jean-Marie Le Pen served as a second in one of France’s last sword duels, a flamboyant affair fought between two former lovers, Serge Lifar, a choreographer, and the Marquis de Cuevas, director of the International Ballet, who had staged one of Lifar’s dances without permission. During the intermission Lifar stalked up to Cuevas in the lobby and angrily flung a perfumed handkerchief at his feet. De Cuevas picked it up and threw it back in Lifar’s face. In the ensuing days, seconds were chosen and a duel arranged; Cuevas’ primary second was Le Pen.

    The principals granted numerous press interviews, and when they happened to run into each other at a TV studio, they exchanged harsh words: Lifar said, “I’ll make you dance a minuet to my épée,” to which Cuevas scornfully replied, “Your handkerchief was so starched it could almost have drawn blood.”

    According to a snarky TIME magazine account of the event titled “Gay Blades,” any hope of reconciliation was scotched by the blood-thirstiness of the seconds:

    The marquis’ principal second, an ex-paratrooper named Jean-Marie Le Pen, who is a far-right-wing Deputy in the National Assembly, reported to Cuevas that there were no grounds for a reconciliation, told him: “I’ve just come from a meeting with Lifar’s seconds. We’ve decided not to tell either you or Lifar where the duel will take place, because you’re sure to blab about it. We’ll take you there at the last moment.”

    At this news the marquis paled, objected feebly that the U.S. embassy (Chilean-born Cuevas is a U.S. citizen and married to a Rockefeller heiress) and the French police were both opposed to the duel. Le Pen, who habitually carries a revolver and a dagger to protect himself from Algerian terrorists and other menacing elements, replied icily: “Surely, you do not wish to engage a French officer and a Deputy in an affair of honor which will degenerate into a farce?”

    On March 29, the duelists were driven to a secret location followed by some 50 photographers and reporters. Lifar arrived bearing a Greek icon, a dagger, ballet slippers, and a small potted plant, explaining, “These are my symbols–faith, honor, art, and life.” In the last of four two-minute rounds, the Marquis nicked his opponent on the forearm. “Blood, blood, honor is saved!” cried Lifar exultantly.

    The Marquis burst into tears and the two embraced, declaring their mutual respect and admiration, all accusations of over-starched hankies forgiven.

    The duel can be watched on YouTube. Le Pen is the one with the cool eye patch.

  89. @Honesthughgrant

    Many of the obstacles to immigration in Japan are not the result of government policy:
     
    We can learn from Japan that we don't need large scale immigration. There is none because the Japanese government doesn't allow large scale immigration. Hence, you sentence is nonsensical.

    Maybe you should re-read what I wrote again: “Many of the obstacles are not the result of government policy”. I’m not sure how you managed to quote that and yet write “the Japanese government doesn’t allow large scale immigration”. Just like in the US, the Usual Suspects in Japan call for immigration to alleviate a labour shortage, but the Japanese people are generally unenthusiastic about immigration (I gave some reasons) and so the Japanese government is able to easily please the voters by doing nothing. In the US it’s not so simple, we have Diversity is Our Strength and A Nation of Immigrants for the mass media to bamboozle people with.

    Asserting that the US doesn’t need large-scale immigration because Japan is getting along fine without it isn’t going to fly. Rightly or wrongly, plenty of people are going to dispute that Japan is “getting along fine”, and there’s also the obvious objection that Japan isn’t the US. If we’re talking about an effective rhetorical strategy for opposing large-scale immigration, starting with one that isn’t trivial to poke holes in is probably a good start.

  90. Meanwhile, back in the courtroom, the judge rules that Ellen Pao gets to sue for punitive damages:

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150322/us-silicon-valley-sexual-discrimination-935c234550.html

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    I wonder if she had a prenup that said that her beard didn't get any of the loot?
  91. advancedatheist [AKA "RedneckCryonicist"] says:

    I don’t know if anyone else has posted this, but the New York Times has published more pseudoscience about the urgent need to push humanity together into one big fungible mass by cracking the neuroscience of not liking people from incompatible tribes:

    The Brain’s Empathy Gap:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/magazine/the-brains-empathy-gap.html?ref=magazine

  92. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    Yeah, pretty much. I think sodomy should be legal, it just shouldn't be *encouraged*, particularly if accompanied by promiscuity. You're gay, not much you can do about it, just don't do it in the streets and scare the horses.

    To some degree, gay marriage might actually be a harm-reduction technique in that gay people who actually want monogamous or less-polygamous lifestyles can get them. But the jury's still out on that one.

    To some degree, gay marriage might actually be a harm-reduction technique in that gay people who actually want monogamous or less-polygamous lifestyles can get them. But the jury’s still out on that one

    If society actually debated whether same-sex marriage would reduce promiscuity among gays then you might be right. But to even mention the average number of partners among gays is generally verboten (and anyway, even the NYTimes has admitted sexual fidelity is unimportant to gay couples). So instead, there is at least one study that found gay men in steady relationships are actually *more* likely to be infected with HIV, etc., because they don’t use protection with their main partner while still seeking out new notches. Meaning, gay marriage would not reduce harm.

  93. @Panopticon
    I don't know about Korea, but I almost never see a positive slant towards China in the mainstream media. Almost all the well regarded be it left or right news like Wall Street Journal, Tea leaf nation or the NYT (I'm sure that the chinese ban on NYT contributes to this) are heavily anti-China. But I agree that they tend to not like Japan either.

    I brought up the anti-Japanese slant of the NYT and its bias in Japan-Korea and Japan-China disputes as a counterexample to Ladague’s absurd assertion that Jews admire Japanese nationalism.

    The media may be anti-Chinese in some sense but somehow it never seems to rise to the level of seriously rethinking whether we should be letting them make our Nikes for us. They may be corrupt and oppressive (though not as much as those horrible Russkies!) but shackling our economy to China’s is apparently A-OK.

  94. HA says:
    @David R. Merridale
    Poland and the Baltics are all members of both the EU and NATO. Barring a catastrophic East-West war (unlikely even given current Western fecklessness), those countries are absolutely secure against Russian aggression, and even influence except of the sort that is natural between neighbouring countries.

    Ukraine is a different matter. The Western Ukrainian revolutionaries are very likely f*cked. Russia made it clear long ago that they would go mental if the West tried to pull Ukraine into the Western camp. In 2013/14 we tried, and they did. That's not what I'd aggression. I'd call it a defensive reaction. If you want to argue it was paranoiac over-defensiveness, go ahead. My guess is that the Ukrainian revolution would have sent any Russian government into a fit, not just Putin.

    We focus on the external aspect of the Ukrainian crisis, with Russia "fomenting" unrest in Novorussia (lovely, stale fart of a word, "fomenting"; crappy bad-faith arguments seem draw out the dowdy, worn-out vocabulary). Russia has done its share of fomenting, of course, but the roots of the Ukrainian crisis are internal. Ukraine is unable to reform itself and unable to manage its linguistic and political tensions in a civilized way.

    If you doubt that last point, I highly recommend an article by Keith Gessen (Masha Gessen's sane brother) in the London Review of Books last September, "Why Not Kill Them All":

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n17/keith-gessen/why-not-kill-them-all

    In fact, I'd recommend it to anyone remotely interested in the crisis; it's a great article.

    “Russia made it clear long ago that they would go mental if the West tried to pull Ukraine into the Western camp.”

    Just to be clear, what you call “pulling Ukraine into the Western camp” is a trade agreement with the EU. That’s it. It’s worth noting that Ukraine’s president Yanukovich, (i.e. Putin’s puppet), had already made clear years earlier (in June of 2010) that Ukraine was no longer interested in NATO membership. (Say, do you remember the ensuing saber-rattling and amassing of tanks from the West that followed this devastating downturn in NATO’s ancient ambitions to grab Ukraine for themselves? Me, neither.) Anyway, even then, it was made clear that this termination of NATO ambitions in no way precluded an EU trade agreement.

    President Yanukovych was elected earlier this year, vowing to end Ukraine’s Nato membership ambitions and mend relations with Russia…

    “The main element of predictability and consistency in Ukraine’s foreign policy is its non-aligned status,” Prime Minister Mykola Azarov said as he submitted the bill…

    However, the new law will not affect Ukraine’s political and economic integration with Europe.

    Joining the European Union remains a priority, Mr Azarov said.

    If Putin had a problem even with an EU trade agreement (which is itself a far cry from actually joining the EU), he might have done something about it earlier, instead of waiting until the agreement was signed and then hauling Yanukovich into the woodshed, whereupon the latter shamefacedly emerged and announced he was going to acquiesce to his master’s wishes, thereby sparking the demonstrations that led to his downfall.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/10229626

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The Russian foreign minister had been talking about federalism, under which the Donetsk basin is in a trade pact with Russia and Lvov can get in with the EU.
    , @5371
    If all record of the years from 2010 to 2014 had been miraculously erased, you might convince someone that the US never tried to overthrow the Yanukovich government, and that Russia never warned about the dangers of the arrogant western approach to the "association agreement". But even then, probably, it would have to be someone as clueless as you.
    , @David R. Merridale
    Of course, the proposed Association Agreement... a mere trade agreement, not full EU membership, and certainly nothing to do with NATO. Perhaps I was confusing those two very different organizations... so hard to keep track of all these acronyms!

    And yet, when I read the text of the proposed agreement, I see stuff like this:

    ARTICLE 10

    Conflict prevention, crisis management and military-technological cooperation

    1. The Parties shall enhance practical cooperation in conflict prevention and crisis management, in particular with a view to increasing the participation of Ukraine in EU-led civilian and military crisis management operations as well as relevant exercises and training activities, including those carried out in the framework of the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP).

    2. Cooperation in this field shall be based on modalities and arrangements between the EU and Ukraine on consultation and cooperation on crisis management.

    3. The Parties shall explore the potential of military-technological cooperation. Ukraine and the European Defence Agency (EDA) shall establish close contacts to discuss military capability improvement, including technological issues.

    Source: http://eeas.europa.eu/ukraine/pdf/3_ua_title_ii_pol_dialogue_reform_pol_assoc_coop_convergence_in_fsp_en.pdf

    This is your "trade agreement".

    Look HA, you're bright guy, you're well read on this issue, and some of your comments are interesting. But you're a bullshit artist, and I don't have time to deal with bullshit artists.

  95. @HA
    "Russia made it clear long ago that they would go mental if the West tried to pull Ukraine into the Western camp."

    Just to be clear, what you call "pulling Ukraine into the Western camp" is a trade agreement with the EU. That's it. It's worth noting that Ukraine's president Yanukovich, (i.e. Putin's puppet), had already made clear years earlier (in June of 2010) that Ukraine was no longer interested in NATO membership. (Say, do you remember the ensuing saber-rattling and amassing of tanks from the West that followed this devastating downturn in NATO's ancient ambitions to grab Ukraine for themselves? Me, neither.) Anyway, even then, it was made clear that this termination of NATO ambitions in no way precluded an EU trade agreement.


    President Yanukovych was elected earlier this year, vowing to end Ukraine's Nato membership ambitions and mend relations with Russia...

    "The main element of predictability and consistency in Ukraine's foreign policy is its non-aligned status," Prime Minister Mykola Azarov said as he submitted the bill...

    However, the new law will not affect Ukraine's political and economic integration with Europe.

    Joining the European Union remains a priority, Mr Azarov said.
     

    If Putin had a problem even with an EU trade agreement (which is itself a far cry from actually joining the EU), he might have done something about it earlier, instead of waiting until the agreement was signed and then hauling Yanukovich into the woodshed, whereupon the latter shamefacedly emerged and announced he was going to acquiesce to his master's wishes, thereby sparking the demonstrations that led to his downfall.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/10229626

    The Russian foreign minister had been talking about federalism, under which the Donetsk basin is in a trade pact with Russia and Lvov can get in with the EU.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    What Russia says and what Russia does are two different things. Remember that during the Soviet period Ukraine was also ostensibly an "independent" country with its own UN seat. This independence existed on paper only. The Donbas would be effectively ruled from Moscow and they might even drop the charade, hold a "referendum" and reincorporate it into Russia (or a new Union of which Putin would be the head) as they did in Crimea.

    Lavrov is a diplomat in the Soviet sense - a guy who pisses on your shoes and tell you its raining (and because of diplomatic nicety Kerry has to stand there and smile politely while Lavrov is wetting his shoes down real good).

    In Putin's Russia no one from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok issues so much as a parking ticket without getting Putin's approval, but he wants federalism for Ukraine. Federalism for thee, not for me.
    , @HA
    "The Russian foreign minister had been talking about federalism, under which the Donetsk basin is in a trade pact with Russia and Lvov can get in with the EU."

    True, and that was a good call on your part when you suggested that earlier. But the nixing of the EU agreement that Putin ham-fistedly forced through applied to the entire country, as did his counter-offer, though I forget the details of that apart from it involving further energy concessions.

    Anyway, if the cease-fire holds, that's still in the cards, though, within hours of its signing, another city fell to the separatists, so it remains to be seen whether both sides are exhausted enough to settle, or whether the separatists will push for the land bridge to Crimea or whatever else they're going for.

    , @AP

    The Russian foreign minister had been talking about federalism, under which the Donetsk basin is in a trade pact with Russia and Lvov can get in with the EU.
     
    Is there a precedent for this anywhere? Could, say, Quebec join the EU while the rest of Canada joins NAFTA? Could New England unite its economy with Canada's? Could particular American states have opted out of NAFTA? Etc.?

    It seems that, for Russia, if Ukraine pursues a pro-Russian course it is a unified state but once the country tilts westward "federalization"* becomes the preference. A federalization that is not like the (normal) American or German kind, but of a unique kind where one region can join a different trade bloc, or perhaps veto national policy. This is not really federalization, but totally weak and ineffective state.

    BTW - this policy was pursued by Russia before, towards Poland, in the 18th century. Russia made sure that Poland did not reform and centralize its government, instead promoting various regional magnates (oligarchs of the day), including in armed conflict. Read this, its eerily familiar:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targowica_Confederation
  96. @Steve Sailer
    The Russian foreign minister had been talking about federalism, under which the Donetsk basin is in a trade pact with Russia and Lvov can get in with the EU.

    What Russia says and what Russia does are two different things. Remember that during the Soviet period Ukraine was also ostensibly an “independent” country with its own UN seat. This independence existed on paper only. The Donbas would be effectively ruled from Moscow and they might even drop the charade, hold a “referendum” and reincorporate it into Russia (or a new Union of which Putin would be the head) as they did in Crimea.

    Lavrov is a diplomat in the Soviet sense – a guy who pisses on your shoes and tell you its raining (and because of diplomatic nicety Kerry has to stand there and smile politely while Lavrov is wetting his shoes down real good).

    In Putin’s Russia no one from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok issues so much as a parking ticket without getting Putin’s approval, but he wants federalism for Ukraine. Federalism for thee, not for me.

    • Replies: @5371
    A UN seat didn't imply that Ukraine or Byelorussia was an independent country, any more than a certain clause in the US constitution implied that slaves had three fifths of a head and six fifths of an arm each.
    In any case, that's all water under the bridge now. Ukrainian nationalists and their American puppet-masters tried to overpower the people of lands which were never part of any other state than Russia. Their affairs succeed accordingly, as the Spanish ambassador is supposed to have said to James II.
  97. HA says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The Russian foreign minister had been talking about federalism, under which the Donetsk basin is in a trade pact with Russia and Lvov can get in with the EU.

    “The Russian foreign minister had been talking about federalism, under which the Donetsk basin is in a trade pact with Russia and Lvov can get in with the EU.”

    True, and that was a good call on your part when you suggested that earlier. But the nixing of the EU agreement that Putin ham-fistedly forced through applied to the entire country, as did his counter-offer, though I forget the details of that apart from it involving further energy concessions.

    Anyway, if the cease-fire holds, that’s still in the cards, though, within hours of its signing, another city fell to the separatists, so it remains to be seen whether both sides are exhausted enough to settle, or whether the separatists will push for the land bridge to Crimea or whatever else they’re going for.

  98. @Dennis Dale
    Makes me wonder: did Margaret Thatcher attract a coterie of gays? I did find this:

    ... it was Mrs T's personality which attracted so many homosexual men to the party. In a profession dominated by men with dandruff and hair coming out of their noses or women who appear to have been dragged through a hedge backwards (a la Shirley Williams), the pure elegance, feminine perfection, perfect dress sense, and sheer determination to change society drew many gay men to the Iron Lady.

    Generic American nationalism needs one of those. Sarah Palin is too much of a nitwit, and her aesthetic, "grizzly mom" posturing aside, is pure yuppie striver.

    To think that there were no homos in the Tory Party till Mrs Thatcher put them there with her impression of the Angela Lansbury character from “Manchurian Candidate” is naive.

  99. @Buzz Mohawk
    Well, since sex came up, I can't resist.

    A long time ago, I discovered that women on the political right were better lovers than those on the left. Also, the first gay friends I ever had were republicans.

    People on the political right are sexier, more highly and in more ways, than those on the left. On average in my experience anyway.

    These discoveries began in college and continued into young adulthood. At first I expected politically liberal women, democrats, to be better in bed. I thought they would be more open and free. Instead, most were rather vanilla. Nothing wrong with that, but they were surprisingly "conservative" about lovemaking.

    Young women who self-identified as republicans, or who had conservative views, were often very wild and fun. They liked a man to be a man, and they didn't see the bedroom as a political arena. They enjoyed everything more. Some of them had spicy tastes.

    This is just one man's sampling, but it all finally made sense, to me anyway. It goes along with something I keep returning to: current liberal ways are actually puritanical. Everyone is trying too hard to be "correct" in everything: what they eat, what they think, what they say, and how they f*ck.

    My experience is that most single women I’ve “known” have either been leftist (maybe left-libertarian), or apolitical. Including the best in the sack. Most conservative women I’ve known were more for saving themselves for marriage.

    I don’t think it matters much. I tend to doubt that how good a woman is in the sack has much bearing on her ability to make good political decisions. But what do I know. Maybe I should just ask Jenna or KLK who to vote for.

  100. @HA
    "Russia made it clear long ago that they would go mental if the West tried to pull Ukraine into the Western camp."

    Just to be clear, what you call "pulling Ukraine into the Western camp" is a trade agreement with the EU. That's it. It's worth noting that Ukraine's president Yanukovich, (i.e. Putin's puppet), had already made clear years earlier (in June of 2010) that Ukraine was no longer interested in NATO membership. (Say, do you remember the ensuing saber-rattling and amassing of tanks from the West that followed this devastating downturn in NATO's ancient ambitions to grab Ukraine for themselves? Me, neither.) Anyway, even then, it was made clear that this termination of NATO ambitions in no way precluded an EU trade agreement.


    President Yanukovych was elected earlier this year, vowing to end Ukraine's Nato membership ambitions and mend relations with Russia...

    "The main element of predictability and consistency in Ukraine's foreign policy is its non-aligned status," Prime Minister Mykola Azarov said as he submitted the bill...

    However, the new law will not affect Ukraine's political and economic integration with Europe.

    Joining the European Union remains a priority, Mr Azarov said.
     

    If Putin had a problem even with an EU trade agreement (which is itself a far cry from actually joining the EU), he might have done something about it earlier, instead of waiting until the agreement was signed and then hauling Yanukovich into the woodshed, whereupon the latter shamefacedly emerged and announced he was going to acquiesce to his master's wishes, thereby sparking the demonstrations that led to his downfall.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/10229626

    If all record of the years from 2010 to 2014 had been miraculously erased, you might convince someone that the US never tried to overthrow the Yanukovich government, and that Russia never warned about the dangers of the arrogant western approach to the “association agreement”. But even then, probably, it would have to be someone as clueless as you.

    • Replies: @HA
    "Russia never warned about the dangers of the arrogant western approach to the “association agreement”.

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, that arrogant western approach of forcing every Latvian and Estonian and Lithuanian, with their faces ground into the dirt, to submit to NATO, or else, NATO was going to tear their countries into two and take a chunk for themselves. And yes, it was mean old Nuland that overthrew Yanukovich. Putin's ham-fisted string-pulling in the wake of a trade agreement with the EU had nothing whatsoever to do with it, or else, was perfectly understandable. We get it.

    But hey, thanks for not using "masturbating boy" as your go-to metaphor this time. It's good to know your brain occasionally makes room for other fixations.
  101. @Jack D
    What Russia says and what Russia does are two different things. Remember that during the Soviet period Ukraine was also ostensibly an "independent" country with its own UN seat. This independence existed on paper only. The Donbas would be effectively ruled from Moscow and they might even drop the charade, hold a "referendum" and reincorporate it into Russia (or a new Union of which Putin would be the head) as they did in Crimea.

    Lavrov is a diplomat in the Soviet sense - a guy who pisses on your shoes and tell you its raining (and because of diplomatic nicety Kerry has to stand there and smile politely while Lavrov is wetting his shoes down real good).

    In Putin's Russia no one from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok issues so much as a parking ticket without getting Putin's approval, but he wants federalism for Ukraine. Federalism for thee, not for me.

    A UN seat didn’t imply that Ukraine or Byelorussia was an independent country, any more than a certain clause in the US constitution implied that slaves had three fifths of a head and six fifths of an arm each.
    In any case, that’s all water under the bridge now. Ukrainian nationalists and their American puppet-masters tried to overpower the people of lands which were never part of any other state than Russia. Their affairs succeed accordingly, as the Spanish ambassador is supposed to have said to James II.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
    When the USSR insisted on Ukraine getting its own seat at the UN due to a brief period of independence, why didn't the US similarly insist on Texas getting its own UN seat, as Texas was independent longer than Ukraine was prior to the dissolution of the USSR.
  102. For those who would like to follow politics etc in France, the good blog GalliaWatch does that from a traditional French perspective.

    • Replies: @eah
    To continue the new tradition -- I started it not long ago -- of replying to one's own comment, on the blog I mentioned I found this comment by the blog author:

    In 2060 we will have a France of 108 million inhabitants, composed of 55 million persons belonging to black, Arab and Asiatic ethnicities. Yes, 2060 may seem far off, but long before this date Europeans under the age of 40 will be in the minority compared to Third Worlders of the same age group.

    So those under 40 will be outnumbered sometime between now and 2060.

    The problem, besides immigration, is the zero birth rate among whites. He believes the European population will be the same in 2060 as it is today!

    Sad data. As usual you would probably find very little honest discussion in the French media re why the native French are having so few children.

    See also this post on another blog: The Africanization of France: One in three newborns of non-European origin

    Perhaps more French are coming to realize: there is not much time left to save their country.

  103. @SFG
    Tell that to a Ukrainian, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian, or Pole.

    I agree in a game of Risk I'd rather be the USA than Russia right now, but it's never been too nice sharing a border with Russia. I think most Poles would rather put up with the occasional gay-rights march than be in Russia's sphere of influence again. Why do you think they love Reagan so much?

    I get that on some level to you guys Putin is 'good' because he's 'right' and the Communists were 'bad' because they were 'left', but from the point of view of an Eastern European they are both simply part of Russian power. Whatever the ideology, to some extent there is simply just power politics, and if I were Polish I'd be more afraid of Russia (which could occupy me, and has in the past, trying to wipe out my culture) than the USA (which, whatever its other sins, will never, ever try to annex Poland.)

    if I were Polish I’d be more afraid of Russia (which could occupy me, and has in the past, trying to wipe out my culture) than the USA (which, whatever its other sins, will never, ever try to annex Poland.)

    Of course, the last time Poland was annexed by the SU/Russia, they came in Lend & Lease Jeeps, with uniforms made of US-supplied cloth, feeding on corned beef rations from the choicest american cows. Roosevelt was only too eager to hand Poland (and the rest of eastern europe) over to his great buddy “Uncle Joe” Stalin.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Of course. FDR sold out the Poles, which is why they prefer Republicans. But the point is that even though America might not help Poland, it's still a lot less dangerous to Polish national interests than Russia for simple reasons of power politics. Russia might try to conquer Poland, but the USA will never try to make it more than an ally--it's just too far away.
  104. @eah
    For those who would like to follow politics etc in France, the good blog GalliaWatch does that from a traditional French perspective.

    To continue the new tradition — I started it not long ago — of replying to one’s own comment, on the blog I mentioned I found this comment by the blog author:

    In 2060 we will have a France of 108 million inhabitants, composed of 55 million persons belonging to black, Arab and Asiatic ethnicities. Yes, 2060 may seem far off, but long before this date Europeans under the age of 40 will be in the minority compared to Third Worlders of the same age group.

    So those under 40 will be outnumbered sometime between now and 2060.

    The problem, besides immigration, is the zero birth rate among whites. He believes the European population will be the same in 2060 as it is today!

    Sad data. As usual you would probably find very little honest discussion in the French media re why the native French are having so few children.

    See also this post on another blog: The Africanization of France: One in three newborns of non-European origin

    Perhaps more French are coming to realize: there is not much time left to save their country.

  105. @Buzz Mohawk
    Well, since sex came up, I can't resist.

    A long time ago, I discovered that women on the political right were better lovers than those on the left. Also, the first gay friends I ever had were republicans.

    People on the political right are sexier, more highly and in more ways, than those on the left. On average in my experience anyway.

    These discoveries began in college and continued into young adulthood. At first I expected politically liberal women, democrats, to be better in bed. I thought they would be more open and free. Instead, most were rather vanilla. Nothing wrong with that, but they were surprisingly "conservative" about lovemaking.

    Young women who self-identified as republicans, or who had conservative views, were often very wild and fun. They liked a man to be a man, and they didn't see the bedroom as a political arena. They enjoyed everything more. Some of them had spicy tastes.

    This is just one man's sampling, but it all finally made sense, to me anyway. It goes along with something I keep returning to: current liberal ways are actually puritanical. Everyone is trying too hard to be "correct" in everything: what they eat, what they think, what they say, and how they f*ck.

    There are a lot of kinky feminists but, of course, you have to date a feminist.

    There is a lot to what you say about the left carrying on the old Puritan tradition–they’re even strong in New England–and a lot of the bits about abstaining from red meat and extreme eating and even sex (for men) would have been familiar to medieval ascetics. Still, encouraging sleeping around for women is entirely new.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
    Progressivism = Puritanism - God
  106. @Menschmaschine
    if I were Polish I’d be more afraid of Russia (which could occupy me, and has in the past, trying to wipe out my culture) than the USA (which, whatever its other sins, will never, ever try to annex Poland.)

    Of course, the last time Poland was annexed by the SU/Russia, they came in Lend & Lease Jeeps, with uniforms made of US-supplied cloth, feeding on corned beef rations from the choicest american cows. Roosevelt was only too eager to hand Poland (and the rest of eastern europe) over to his great buddy "Uncle Joe" Stalin.

    Of course. FDR sold out the Poles, which is why they prefer Republicans. But the point is that even though America might not help Poland, it’s still a lot less dangerous to Polish national interests than Russia for simple reasons of power politics. Russia might try to conquer Poland, but the USA will never try to make it more than an ally–it’s just too far away.

  107. @anon
    Russia did not try to wipe out Polish culture during its two occupations of Poland. The new world order will wipe it out through immigration within the lifetimes of the young Poles of today. There's not much third-world immigration in Poland yet, but there will be.

    Only a partial truth. Consult the Wikipedia article on Russification, for example. The policy of Russification in the eastern half of Poland that was then under the Russian occupation reached its peak in the late 19th century after Russia had brutally suppressed the November Uprising of 1830-1 and the January Uprising of 1863. Chopin composed his Revolutionary Etude in anger over the Russian bombardment of Warsaw in 1831, and Jules Verne’s Captain Nemo, a Byronic hero created in the wake of the January Uprising, was originally a Polish nobleman whose family was brutally butchered by the Russians. Polish language and literature were banned in schools, many schools and universities were closed, etc. Joseph Conrad left Poland after the January Uprising to avoid the Russian yoke. Maria Sklodowska-Curie left Poland for a similar reason.

    In the same way, Bismarck followed a brutal policy of Germanization in the western part of Poland that was occupied by the Prussians. No wonder that Nietzsche detested Prussia, and regarded Polish noblemen as his heroes. Albert Michelson, the first American Nobel laureate in Physics, was born in Prussian-occupied Polish territory to a Jewish father and Polish Catholic mother. Thousands of Germans emigrated to the U.S.
    to avoid Bismarck’s Kulturkampf and military conscription.

    After WW II Polish children were required to study Russian (English was prohibited by Russia) until 1989, when the Talks of the Round Table in Poland precipitated the fall of Communism (months before the fall of the Berlin Wall) in the Soviet Block while Russian children studied were free to study English. Let’s not forget that Communism ended so quickly once the talks began in Poland because the Russians knew the Polish were ready to fight, something that the East Germans or the Czechoslovaks would have never done. It takes a fighting spirit to retain a fairly large territory in the middle of Europe with 80 million Germans on one side and 145 million Russians on the other

  108. Poland and the Baltics are all members of both the EU and NATO. Barring a catastrophic East-West war (unlikely even given current Western fecklessness), those countries are absolutely secure against Russian aggression, and even influence except of the sort that is natural between neighbouring countries

    Perhaps, but in just the past couple of days Russia has made nuclear threats against Denmark and announced plans to place Iskander missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads in Kaliningrad. Russia is also funding more than 100 NGOs in Latvia to destabilise the small country, is still holding a kidnapped Estonian border guard, and Putin has visited a monument in Hungary dedicated to Soviet soldiers who put down the 1956 uprising that reportedly (I don’t know this for sure) says “Eternal gratitude and glory to the Soviet heroes who sacrificed their lives for the liberty of the Hungarian people during the counter-revolution of 1956 October”. Nothing may come of all this and the increasing shrillness on the Russian side may just be tactical but I wouldn’t say Poland and the Baltic states “are absolutely secure against Russian aggression”.

  109. HA says:
    @5371
    If all record of the years from 2010 to 2014 had been miraculously erased, you might convince someone that the US never tried to overthrow the Yanukovich government, and that Russia never warned about the dangers of the arrogant western approach to the "association agreement". But even then, probably, it would have to be someone as clueless as you.

    “Russia never warned about the dangers of the arrogant western approach to the “association agreement”.

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, that arrogant western approach of forcing every Latvian and Estonian and Lithuanian, with their faces ground into the dirt, to submit to NATO, or else, NATO was going to tear their countries into two and take a chunk for themselves. And yes, it was mean old Nuland that overthrew Yanukovich. Putin’s ham-fisted string-pulling in the wake of a trade agreement with the EU had nothing whatsoever to do with it, or else, was perfectly understandable. We get it.

    But hey, thanks for not using “masturbating boy” as your go-to metaphor this time. It’s good to know your brain occasionally makes room for other fixations.

  110. @HA
    "Russia made it clear long ago that they would go mental if the West tried to pull Ukraine into the Western camp."

    Just to be clear, what you call "pulling Ukraine into the Western camp" is a trade agreement with the EU. That's it. It's worth noting that Ukraine's president Yanukovich, (i.e. Putin's puppet), had already made clear years earlier (in June of 2010) that Ukraine was no longer interested in NATO membership. (Say, do you remember the ensuing saber-rattling and amassing of tanks from the West that followed this devastating downturn in NATO's ancient ambitions to grab Ukraine for themselves? Me, neither.) Anyway, even then, it was made clear that this termination of NATO ambitions in no way precluded an EU trade agreement.


    President Yanukovych was elected earlier this year, vowing to end Ukraine's Nato membership ambitions and mend relations with Russia...

    "The main element of predictability and consistency in Ukraine's foreign policy is its non-aligned status," Prime Minister Mykola Azarov said as he submitted the bill...

    However, the new law will not affect Ukraine's political and economic integration with Europe.

    Joining the European Union remains a priority, Mr Azarov said.
     

    If Putin had a problem even with an EU trade agreement (which is itself a far cry from actually joining the EU), he might have done something about it earlier, instead of waiting until the agreement was signed and then hauling Yanukovich into the woodshed, whereupon the latter shamefacedly emerged and announced he was going to acquiesce to his master's wishes, thereby sparking the demonstrations that led to his downfall.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/10229626

    Of course, the proposed Association Agreement… a mere trade agreement, not full EU membership, and certainly nothing to do with NATO. Perhaps I was confusing those two very different organizations… so hard to keep track of all these acronyms!

    And yet, when I read the text of the proposed agreement, I see stuff like this:

    ARTICLE 10

    Conflict prevention, crisis management and military-technological cooperation

    1. The Parties shall enhance practical cooperation in conflict prevention and crisis management, in particular with a view to increasing the participation of Ukraine in EU-led civilian and military crisis management operations as well as relevant exercises and training activities, including those carried out in the framework of the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP).

    2. Cooperation in this field shall be based on modalities and arrangements between the EU and Ukraine on consultation and cooperation on crisis management.

    3. The Parties shall explore the potential of military-technological cooperation. Ukraine and the European Defence Agency (EDA) shall establish close contacts to discuss military capability improvement, including technological issues.

    Source: http://eeas.europa.eu/ukraine/pdf/3_ua_title_ii_pol_dialogue_reform_pol_assoc_coop_convergence_in_fsp_en.pdf

    This is your “trade agreement”.

    Look HA, you’re bright guy, you’re well read on this issue, and some of your comments are interesting. But you’re a bullshit artist, and I don’t have time to deal with bullshit artists.

    • Replies: @HA
    "The Parties shall explore the potential of military-technological cooperation. Ukraine and the European Defence Agency (EDA) shall establish close contacts to discuss military capability improvement, including technological issues."

    Oooh, the parties shall "explore". I'm getting tingly already. They will "establish close contacts". That's some kinky business right there -- like another episode of the 50-Shades franchise. Oh, and they'll also "discuss military capability". Yeah, feel the burn, Putin -- in your face. The EU is going to discuss military capability, with all those tanks and bombs and Chechen mercenaries they have at their disposal.

    And so, that is more than enough reason to facilitate the dismemberment of a neighboring state whose territorial sovereignty you had agreed to respect. There was absolutely no other way to address these grievances than the way Putin did. And you wonder why the Merkels of the world think that Putin is losing it and is not fit to be treated as a functioning adult?


    "But you’re a bullshit artist, and I don’t have time to deal with bullshit artists."

    Come on. When a Putinista starts barking that I'm "warmongering filth", or obvious Hasbara, or that old standby 'Neocon', we both know that's coded language for "I'm just gonna fume and spew a bit, because really, I got nothing else." You think "bullshit artist" is going to be parsed any differently?

    , @5371
    Do point me, DRM, to anything this creature has ever produced that might be interpreted as a sign of intelligence, knowledge (of any subject) or potential interest to anyone. Because I certainly have never seen such.
  111. @International Jew
    If their MSM is giving this guy the floor, on TV talk shows, that's huge. In America, the chance of you, or the Derb, or even Mark Steyn, getting onto "Meet the Press" to debate immigration grows ever smaller, as the official narrative grows ever more absurd (and thus fragile).

    As I’ve been pointing out, the more often Muslim terrorists in Europe massacre Jews, the more the Overton Window shifts. From the New York Times:
     
    You misunderstand the NYTimes. Just as Rosenthal's grandfather didn't lift a finger for Polish Jews during WW2, Rosenthal doesn't give a crap for Jews today.

    “If their MSM is giving this guy the floor, on TV talk shows, that’s huge. In America, the chance of you, or the Derb, or even Mark Steyn, getting onto “Meet the Press” to debate immigration…”

    The Front National has a 1st round support of about 25-30% and they already have people elected in the European Parliament, in many cities, etc.

    The last election a few weeks ago – a minor election – the FN candidate was 1st in the 1st round and she got 49% of the vote in the 2nd round after all the other parties got together and told people to vote for anyone but the FN. Everyone ganged up against them but they still managed to get half the vote – and they’re still voting with paper ballots there are no voting machines in France so the system in place can’t really organize electoral fraud to keep the FN out of power they have to rely on the media and their propaganda.

    So the difference is that Derbyshire, Mark Steyn, etc. aren’t employees of a popular political party whose No.1 priority is to stop mass immigration and who is considered by all the other political parties THE enemy.

    But at this point the French media doesn’t have a choice they can’t keep on ignoring the Front National they have to invite some of them to speak in their pages/shows from time to time even though they’re completely biased against them and they attempt to smear the FN every time they can.

  112. @Batisto Nunca
    It's hard to take Ladague's article seriously since it seems to consist of a bunch of pretty dubious assertions ("negative attitude toward Islam and Muslims pervades every level of the population") without any evidence to support them. In any case speculating on Jewish attitudes to nationalism in a country with next-to-no Jews seems like a fool's errand. (As Steve has pointed out, the Jewish push to cozy up to China is far more interesting.)

    What lessons about immigration policy are we supposed to draw from Japan, exactly? Many of the obstacles to immigration in Japan are not the result of government policy: off the top of my head, a high-trust culture that's opaque to outsiders, a mountain of unwritten rules governing everyday life everybody is expected to follow, and a fiendishly difficult language that's spoken by no-one else. It also probably helps that the biggest non-Japanese ethnic group has historically strong ties to a country that is fanatically hostile to Japan (North Korea). I suppose that if we all could switch to speaking Finnish or Basque, we might be off to a good start?

    What is so fiendishly difficult about the Japanese language?

    • Replies: @Batisto Nunca

    What is so fiendishly difficult about the Japanese language?
     
    Japanese people love to repeat that St. Francis Xavier reported their language was so difficult that it could only have been devised by the Devil.

    The grammar lends itself to being vague, it's not like any European language so for an English speaker the overlap in vocabulary is tiny, and it's mostly written with Chinese characters that don't fit the language very well, of which you need to know about 2000 to be able to read properly. Even then, not knowing how to read someone else's first name is pretty common, even for Japanese people.

    I'm hardly an expert, but it's complicated enough that expecting Indonesian nurses working full-time to learn enough of it in three years to pass a nursing exam is probably setting them up to fail.
  113. @5371
    A UN seat didn't imply that Ukraine or Byelorussia was an independent country, any more than a certain clause in the US constitution implied that slaves had three fifths of a head and six fifths of an arm each.
    In any case, that's all water under the bridge now. Ukrainian nationalists and their American puppet-masters tried to overpower the people of lands which were never part of any other state than Russia. Their affairs succeed accordingly, as the Spanish ambassador is supposed to have said to James II.

    When the USSR insisted on Ukraine getting its own seat at the UN due to a brief period of independence, why didn’t the US similarly insist on Texas getting its own UN seat, as Texas was independent longer than Ukraine was prior to the dissolution of the USSR.

    • Replies: @5371
    It was just an agreed stitch-up to give the USSR a number of members a bit more in agreement with its military weight.
  114. @SFG
    There are a lot of kinky feminists but, of course, you have to date a feminist.

    There is a lot to what you say about the left carrying on the old Puritan tradition--they're even strong in New England--and a lot of the bits about abstaining from red meat and extreme eating and even sex (for men) would have been familiar to medieval ascetics. Still, encouraging sleeping around for women is entirely new.

    Progressivism = Puritanism – God

  115. @Hare Krishna
    When the USSR insisted on Ukraine getting its own seat at the UN due to a brief period of independence, why didn't the US similarly insist on Texas getting its own UN seat, as Texas was independent longer than Ukraine was prior to the dissolution of the USSR.

    It was just an agreed stitch-up to give the USSR a number of members a bit more in agreement with its military weight.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Yes, from what I learned in school, it was that Stalin was annoyed Britain and the White Dominions of the British Empire all got seats at the UN while the vast USSR only got one.
  116. Who was the greatest Jewish conductor? Solti? Szell? Bernstein?

    No, Netanyahu. Watch him lead the orchestra of applause.

  117. American Jews seem upset with Netanyahu not because of what he stands for but because he is so brazen about it. Like Donald Sterling. ‘Shut up dummy! You’re spilling the lentils!’

    Netanyahu, the leader of the whorechestra of shabbos goyim.

  118. @5371
    It was just an agreed stitch-up to give the USSR a number of members a bit more in agreement with its military weight.

    Yes, from what I learned in school, it was that Stalin was annoyed Britain and the White Dominions of the British Empire all got seats at the UN while the vast USSR only got one.

    • Replies: @random observer
    In an ideal world Stalin should have been told to get stuffed for that cynical argument.

    The Dominions getting UN seats had all been wholly self governed at home since 1867, 1901, 1907 or earlier, and 1910. Although all had been at war automatically in 1914 as part of a united empire, Britain already had no means in law or policy to compel any particular military contribution from any, and all determined the scope and nature of their contributions at will in the context of their own politics.

    They had all been sovereign states in foreign policy [the usual last hurdle] since 1931 in law and earlier in practice. Canada had made a point of declaring war in 1939 in its own name.

    And if all had demonstrated that they would sign on with Britain in wars comparable to WW2 [South Africa almost didn't], they had all also demonstrated that they could not be counted on for automatic military or even diplomatic support in Britain's wars of choice and imperial interest. The key moment was the Chanak Crisis, when it became clear they would not back adventurism against nationalist Turks.

    Sorry for the length. I am Canadian and this bit of Soviet claptrap ticked me off when I first heard it in history classes and it still does. I refuse to have my country's foreign policy or military contributions of that era compared to the conditions of a Georgian slave driver, his Russian minions, or their hordes of conscripted unfortunate Ukrainian peasant troops driven into the German fields of fire like so many Egyptians before the Persian whip.

    Nothing personal. I don't even mean to imply a complete lack of sympathy with Russian interests. But their BS quotient is always fairly high, whether now or in 1945. One admires the brio with which it is delivered, but sometimes they need a smacking.

  119. A deal for Victoria Nuland.

    Russia gives back Crimea and Israel gives back Golan Heights.

  120. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Anon
    Meanwhile, back in the courtroom, the judge rules that Ellen Pao gets to sue for punitive damages:

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150322/us-silicon-valley-sexual-discrimination-935c234550.html

    I wonder if she had a prenup that said that her beard didn’t get any of the loot?

  121. HA says:
    @David R. Merridale
    Of course, the proposed Association Agreement... a mere trade agreement, not full EU membership, and certainly nothing to do with NATO. Perhaps I was confusing those two very different organizations... so hard to keep track of all these acronyms!

    And yet, when I read the text of the proposed agreement, I see stuff like this:

    ARTICLE 10

    Conflict prevention, crisis management and military-technological cooperation

    1. The Parties shall enhance practical cooperation in conflict prevention and crisis management, in particular with a view to increasing the participation of Ukraine in EU-led civilian and military crisis management operations as well as relevant exercises and training activities, including those carried out in the framework of the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP).

    2. Cooperation in this field shall be based on modalities and arrangements between the EU and Ukraine on consultation and cooperation on crisis management.

    3. The Parties shall explore the potential of military-technological cooperation. Ukraine and the European Defence Agency (EDA) shall establish close contacts to discuss military capability improvement, including technological issues.

    Source: http://eeas.europa.eu/ukraine/pdf/3_ua_title_ii_pol_dialogue_reform_pol_assoc_coop_convergence_in_fsp_en.pdf

    This is your "trade agreement".

    Look HA, you're bright guy, you're well read on this issue, and some of your comments are interesting. But you're a bullshit artist, and I don't have time to deal with bullshit artists.

    “The Parties shall explore the potential of military-technological cooperation. Ukraine and the European Defence Agency (EDA) shall establish close contacts to discuss military capability improvement, including technological issues.”

    Oooh, the parties shall “explore”. I’m getting tingly already. They will “establish close contacts”. That’s some kinky business right there — like another episode of the 50-Shades franchise. Oh, and they’ll also “discuss military capability”. Yeah, feel the burn, Putin — in your face. The EU is going to discuss military capability, with all those tanks and bombs and Chechen mercenaries they have at their disposal.

    And so, that is more than enough reason to facilitate the dismemberment of a neighboring state whose territorial sovereignty you had agreed to respect. There was absolutely no other way to address these grievances than the way Putin did. And you wonder why the Merkels of the world think that Putin is losing it and is not fit to be treated as a functioning adult?

    “But you’re a bullshit artist, and I don’t have time to deal with bullshit artists.”

    Come on. When a Putinista starts barking that I’m “warmongering filth”, or obvious Hasbara, or that old standby ‘Neocon’, we both know that’s coded language for “I’m just gonna fume and spew a bit, because really, I got nothing else.” You think “bullshit artist” is going to be parsed any differently?

  122. @David R. Merridale
    Of course, the proposed Association Agreement... a mere trade agreement, not full EU membership, and certainly nothing to do with NATO. Perhaps I was confusing those two very different organizations... so hard to keep track of all these acronyms!

    And yet, when I read the text of the proposed agreement, I see stuff like this:

    ARTICLE 10

    Conflict prevention, crisis management and military-technological cooperation

    1. The Parties shall enhance practical cooperation in conflict prevention and crisis management, in particular with a view to increasing the participation of Ukraine in EU-led civilian and military crisis management operations as well as relevant exercises and training activities, including those carried out in the framework of the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP).

    2. Cooperation in this field shall be based on modalities and arrangements between the EU and Ukraine on consultation and cooperation on crisis management.

    3. The Parties shall explore the potential of military-technological cooperation. Ukraine and the European Defence Agency (EDA) shall establish close contacts to discuss military capability improvement, including technological issues.

    Source: http://eeas.europa.eu/ukraine/pdf/3_ua_title_ii_pol_dialogue_reform_pol_assoc_coop_convergence_in_fsp_en.pdf

    This is your "trade agreement".

    Look HA, you're bright guy, you're well read on this issue, and some of your comments are interesting. But you're a bullshit artist, and I don't have time to deal with bullshit artists.

    Do point me, DRM, to anything this creature has ever produced that might be interpreted as a sign of intelligence, knowledge (of any subject) or potential interest to anyone. Because I certainly have never seen such.

    • Replies: @David R. Merridale
    I think HA's pretty bright. I assume his non sequiturs are deliberate derailments and not just confusion... but, hey, I'm not trying to psychoanalyze the guy.
  123. @5371
    Do point me, DRM, to anything this creature has ever produced that might be interpreted as a sign of intelligence, knowledge (of any subject) or potential interest to anyone. Because I certainly have never seen such.

    I think HA’s pretty bright. I assume his non sequiturs are deliberate derailments and not just confusion… but, hey, I’m not trying to psychoanalyze the guy.

  124. @24AheadDotCom
    Memo: Kaus is absolutely worthless as anything other than an entertainer. In 2007 he had a marginally smart idea - have his readers make oppo ads to show amnesty supporters what they could face in future elections - but he hasn't come up with any action plans since then and he refuses to help with smarter plans that would stop amnesty.

    Regarding your claim about the "left-wing", I just asked them and they haven't made any such decision: http://24ahead.com/n/11005 It's only the idiocy and the corruption of "conservatives" that means that can't be used against Obama. For instance, instead of pointing out how high immigration impedes left-wing goals, leading conservatives present opposing high immigration as only a conservative thing and in effect tells liberals that they should support high immigration.

    Cagey Beast: MLP is way too Frankish-instead-of-kissed-by-the-south looking, but perhaps the attraction is because she can make an argument and go after her detractors and show them wrong? If Mittens had such a pair he'd be king of the free world.

    What 24ahead is suggesting is a plan along these lines:

    Stop Amnesty Challenge

    (The original challenge was by 24 himself, I’ve updated it slightly).

    A good first step would be to start calling people out on Twitter, using pre-packaged links to relevant articles. I’m sure someone could add categories as well as more recent links.

  125. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:

    What do Jews fear most about the ‘far right’? Majority power and unity and pride.

    National Front stands for white French coming together. It has a nationalist wing and Catholic wing. It makes Jews worry.

    But hasn’t Marine been friendly toward Jews? Okay so far good.. but not good enough, not reassuring enough.

    Okay, how about Marine is pro-Jewish and pro-homo. Okay, much safer. She is for the power and protection of both Jews and homos, the two favored groups of elite minorities. And both groups feel hostility from Muslims. Maybe just maybe doable.

    But really, what kind of ‘far right’ sucks up to Jews who’ve spread something as grotesque as ‘gay marriage’?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    National Front stands for white French coming together. It has a nationalist wing and Catholic wing. It makes Jews worry.
    --
    Observant Catholics are about 3% of the population in France and the only Christian democratic element left in the electorate is incorporated into one of the subsidiaries of UPM. There has been no discretely Catholic organization on the French right with any electoral punch since the inter-war period. The Catholic political parties (MRP, CDS, &c) were all vaguely centrist and allied with the technocratic right.
  126. AP [AKA "Dr. Preobrazhensky"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    The Russian foreign minister had been talking about federalism, under which the Donetsk basin is in a trade pact with Russia and Lvov can get in with the EU.

    The Russian foreign minister had been talking about federalism, under which the Donetsk basin is in a trade pact with Russia and Lvov can get in with the EU.

    Is there a precedent for this anywhere? Could, say, Quebec join the EU while the rest of Canada joins NAFTA? Could New England unite its economy with Canada’s? Could particular American states have opted out of NAFTA? Etc.?

    It seems that, for Russia, if Ukraine pursues a pro-Russian course it is a unified state but once the country tilts westward “federalization”* becomes the preference. A federalization that is not like the (normal) American or German kind, but of a unique kind where one region can join a different trade bloc, or perhaps veto national policy. This is not really federalization, but totally weak and ineffective state.

    BTW – this policy was pursued by Russia before, towards Poland, in the 18th century. Russia made sure that Poland did not reform and centralize its government, instead promoting various regional magnates (oligarchs of the day), including in armed conflict. Read this, its eerily familiar:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targowica_Confederation

  127. AP [AKA "Dr. Preobrazhensky"] says:
    @anon
    Russia did not try to wipe out Polish culture during its two occupations of Poland. The new world order will wipe it out through immigration within the lifetimes of the young Poles of today. There's not much third-world immigration in Poland yet, but there will be.

    There’s not much third-world immigration in Poland yet, but there will be.

    Not in the short or medium term. Poland remains quite ethnically homogeneous (98% or so Polish) and although its economy has grown significantly since the fall of Communism and is now one of the EU’s largest economies, Poland remains much poorer than next-door Germany.

    This means it will attract relatively few non-European immigrants moving to the EU: such immigrants have no established community to take care of them in Poland, and they will make much more money by moving to a country next door to Poland. Plus, I suspect they are much less likely to have learned the language in their native land. The only type of immigrants Poland is likely to get are people from next-door Ukraine, who by moving to Poland are close to their home, and who usually speak the Polish language or learn it quickly (the Polish and Ukrainian languages are quite similar). But why would a French-speaking Arab move to Poland where he probably has no family or community, will make much less money, and doesn’t speak the language?

    Mass immigration from non-European countries Poland will only begin once Poland approaches Germany in per capita income – which may never happen.

  128. @The Z Blog
    Oh, I agree with that. I did not read your post that way so maybe the fault is mine. I think the single axis political spectrum is useless. Steve Sailer and I probably agree on some things, but would disagree on most things. Putting us on the "right" just because neither of us are Progressives is rather silly. It really falls apart when you try to transport it to Europe or China.

    . I think the single axis political spectrum is useless

    It’s not useless. Right is reactionary, i.e., retro, everywhere. It’s just that nations differ, as does the past each nation’s right wants to return to.

    Now, the Left… that’s the same everywhere. It’s all about power and nothing else.

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    Even assuming Right is always reactionary, something I don't concede, a bipolar political spectrum still leaves out just about everyone. This way of thinking is just the residue of the binary thinking popular with the Rousseau-ist cults that have run amok the last 250 years. Left means those inside and Right means those outside. That's a shabby way of looking at the world.

    As to Progressives, they are not the same everywhere. They borrow from one another, but the American version comes from a much different intellectual tradition than Europe. Therefore, we see many differences.
  129. Looks like neocons are starting to panic. They must be realizing that the Russia-nationalist alliance in Europe will inevitably pull in conservative white Americans.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    That seems pretty evitable.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Just this morning I see someone posted a YouTube video of an hour-long interview on Radio Courtoisie with the author of Vladimir Bonaparte Poutine. Russia and Putin are winning the lots of friends on the French right.

    People can find it at YouTube under the title: "Vladimir Poutine et la France – Yannick Jaffré invité de radio Courtoisie (06 mars 2015)"

  130. @Lackawanna
    Looks like neocons are starting to panic. They must be realizing that the Russia-nationalist alliance in Europe will inevitably pull in conservative white Americans.

    That seems pretty evitable.

    • Replies: @Lackawanna
    It's already happening. If the Huffington Post and Jeffrey Goldberg are giving a strange new respect to Marine Le Pen, how do you think grassroots conservatives feel?
  131. @Steve Sailer
    That seems pretty evitable.

    It’s already happening. If the Huffington Post and Jeffrey Goldberg are giving a strange new respect to Marine Le Pen, how do you think grassroots conservatives feel?

  132. The National Front came out in first in yesterday’s nationwide regional elections:
    and:
    http://elections.interieur.gouv.fr/departementales-2015/FE.html

    The mainstream English-language media is reporting the FN came in second; which I suppose all depends on how one reads the ever-shifting coalitions on the Right.

  133. @Lackawanna
    Looks like neocons are starting to panic. They must be realizing that the Russia-nationalist alliance in Europe will inevitably pull in conservative white Americans.

    Just this morning I see someone posted a YouTube video of an hour-long interview on Radio Courtoisie with the author of Vladimir Bonaparte Poutine. Russia and Putin are winning the lots of friends on the French right.

    People can find it at YouTube under the title: “Vladimir Poutine et la France – Yannick Jaffré invité de radio Courtoisie (06 mars 2015)”

  134. The system is designed to keep the third party out of power which means the Front can’t win.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    The National Front has maintained an abiding and gradually increasing electoral base in spite of that. The French electoral system was well adapted to correcting some of the pathologies of the 3d and 4th Republic, but it does have some defects. If they had ordinal balloting, UMP voters could select their second choice from all qualifying candidates and not be limited to those remaining in the 2d round consequent to 1st round performance stewed through political deal-making. The thing is, the mechanics of the French electoral system will work in favor of the FN should the electoral base of UMP fall below a certain threshhold (provided that the divers right favors FN over the Socialists). I cannot do the math, but I suspect that would be in a circumstance where FN commanded a quarter of the electorate and UMP only about 12%.
  135. @Reg Cæsar

    . I think the single axis political spectrum is useless
     
    It's not useless. Right is reactionary, i.e., retro, everywhere. It's just that nations differ, as does the past each nation's right wants to return to.

    Now, the Left… that's the same everywhere. It's all about power and nothing else.

    Even assuming Right is always reactionary, something I don’t concede, a bipolar political spectrum still leaves out just about everyone. This way of thinking is just the residue of the binary thinking popular with the Rousseau-ist cults that have run amok the last 250 years. Left means those inside and Right means those outside. That’s a shabby way of looking at the world.

    As to Progressives, they are not the same everywhere. They borrow from one another, but the American version comes from a much different intellectual tradition than Europe. Therefore, we see many differences.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Spectra are by definition "bipolar". You're looking for a matrix, or 3-D chess.
    , @Art Deco
    a bipolar political spectrum still leaves out just about everyone.

    It does not. You have a bipolar spectrum when the elements of what influence people's political attitudes are well correlated (as they are in the U.S., in contrast to Israel, which has lots of cross-cutting cleavages).
  136. @The Z Blog
    Even assuming Right is always reactionary, something I don't concede, a bipolar political spectrum still leaves out just about everyone. This way of thinking is just the residue of the binary thinking popular with the Rousseau-ist cults that have run amok the last 250 years. Left means those inside and Right means those outside. That's a shabby way of looking at the world.

    As to Progressives, they are not the same everywhere. They borrow from one another, but the American version comes from a much different intellectual tradition than Europe. Therefore, we see many differences.

    Spectra are by definition “bipolar”. You’re looking for a matrix, or 3-D chess.

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    Whatever. You know what I meant. But hey, maybe you and Art Deco can now have a thread pulling party.
  137. @Priss Factor
    What do Jews fear most about the 'far right'? Majority power and unity and pride.

    National Front stands for white French coming together. It has a nationalist wing and Catholic wing. It makes Jews worry.

    But hasn't Marine been friendly toward Jews? Okay so far good.. but not good enough, not reassuring enough.

    Okay, how about Marine is pro-Jewish and pro-homo. Okay, much safer. She is for the power and protection of both Jews and homos, the two favored groups of elite minorities. And both groups feel hostility from Muslims. Maybe just maybe doable.

    But really, what kind of 'far right' sucks up to Jews who've spread something as grotesque as 'gay marriage'?

    National Front stands for white French coming together. It has a nationalist wing and Catholic wing. It makes Jews worry.

    Observant Catholics are about 3% of the population in France and the only Christian democratic element left in the electorate is incorporated into one of the subsidiaries of UPM. There has been no discretely Catholic organization on the French right with any electoral punch since the inter-war period. The Catholic political parties (MRP, CDS, &c) were all vaguely centrist and allied with the technocratic right.

    • Replies: @Pugnacious Rightist

    Observant Catholics are about 3% of the population in France and the only Christian democratic element left in the electorate is incorporated into one of the subsidiaries of UPM.
     
    Strange straw man you're setting up here. How does it add up to the FN not having a Catholic or nationalist wing?
    , @Priss Factor
    "There has been no discretely Catholic organization on the French right with any electoral punch since the inter-war period."

    What matters is Jews don't see it that way. Jews worry about the latent power of things.
    After all, Russian nationalism was supposed to be gone after the Communist Revolution. But it made a comeback.
    And the Russian Orthodox Church was supposed to be finished for good. But Putin brought it back.

    True, all of Western Europe is pretty dry religiously. But Jews could not have been happy seeing a million Catholics march in France in opposition to 'gay marriage'.

    The thing is, if nationalism comes back in Europe, it can also revive Christianity, indeed not so much as a faith/credo but as a form of cultural identity. After all, many modern Jews are Jews not by faith(they don't believe in God) but Jews by identity.

    With all the problems of immigrants and Muslims, Christianity might revive itself as an identity movement. That's what they have in Russia. Russian Christianity is one with Russian nationalism.

    That is why Jews want the Western Christian churches to be 'gay'-ized. That way, the very soul of the Church will be corrupted and weakened via association with decadence and perversion.

    Indeed, imagine The Russian Orthodox Church serving as the symbol of the Russian soul and the motherland if it allowed the likes of Sam Smith to sing pro-'gay marriage' songs inside it. Imagine if the Russian Church were to be pussy-rioted. How could that kind of Church stand for identity, pride, and tradition? That is precisely why Jews want to 'gay'-ize the Churches. In the Russian Revolution, Jews sought to physically destroy all the Churches. But they couldn't destroy the heart and soul of Christianity. Today, Jews don't attack the physical Church but seek to corrupt the very soul of the Church. Jews work with homo-agents who've taken over theological departments and entered churches to turn them into temples of Sodom.
    When the soul of something is dead, it's dead.

    Physical destruction can be overcome. But the damage of spiritual corruption cannot be reversed.

    For example, suppose you're into work ethic and good honest work. Even if your house is destroyed, you will build another one.

    But even if your house remains intact, if you're turned into a decadent druggie without values or direction, your life will dissipate and decay. Your house may stand but you'll just be spiritually rotting puss inside it.
  138. @Sean
    The system is designed to keep the third party out of power which means the Front can't win.

    The National Front has maintained an abiding and gradually increasing electoral base in spite of that. The French electoral system was well adapted to correcting some of the pathologies of the 3d and 4th Republic, but it does have some defects. If they had ordinal balloting, UMP voters could select their second choice from all qualifying candidates and not be limited to those remaining in the 2d round consequent to 1st round performance stewed through political deal-making. The thing is, the mechanics of the French electoral system will work in favor of the FN should the electoral base of UMP fall below a certain threshhold (provided that the divers right favors FN over the Socialists). I cannot do the math, but I suspect that would be in a circumstance where FN commanded a quarter of the electorate and UMP only about 12%.

    • Replies: @Pugnacious Rightist

    The French electoral system was well adapted to correcting some of the pathologies of the 3d and 4th Republic ...
     
    Maybe you could rewrite this a bit less pompously, so that, you know, someone who has only a passing familiarity with French politics can make sense of what you're trying to say?

    I cannot do the math, but I suspect that would be in a circumstance where FN commanded a quarter of the electorate and UMP only about 12%.
     
    "I cannot do the math" sounds like a candidate for the iSteve Badge of Shame to me …
  139. @The Z Blog
    Even assuming Right is always reactionary, something I don't concede, a bipolar political spectrum still leaves out just about everyone. This way of thinking is just the residue of the binary thinking popular with the Rousseau-ist cults that have run amok the last 250 years. Left means those inside and Right means those outside. That's a shabby way of looking at the world.

    As to Progressives, they are not the same everywhere. They borrow from one another, but the American version comes from a much different intellectual tradition than Europe. Therefore, we see many differences.

    a bipolar political spectrum still leaves out just about everyone.

    It does not. You have a bipolar spectrum when the elements of what influence people’s political attitudes are well correlated (as they are in the U.S., in contrast to Israel, which has lots of cross-cutting cleavages).

  140. @WhatEvvs
    Gay rights has a different meaning in Europe, it's more based on privacy rights rather than American-style change the laws, change the culture. European gays don't want to change the culture. They want their old, permissive cultures. They are the conservatives!

    In the US, gays got smart and realized that they weren't going to win at the ballot box, so full steam ahead changing the laws and more important, get Corporate America (the real rulers of the US) behind you. Tim Cook now offers his female employees free egg-freezing. Ain't it grand?

    Meanwhile The Netherlands, which is far more permissive about gay rights than the US, has outlawed commercial surrogacy. The next frontier in the US in the gay rights movement is to make commercial surrogacy legal in all 50 states so that gay men can have "their own" children. (Forget about the fact that there are two mothers involved: the egg donor and the gestational carrier.)

    The gay nationalist thing has a slight echo in the US. Madison Grant never married or had kids; neither did Lawrence Auster. A lot of white nats are people who have low birthrates themselves and are sensitive to the subject. This doesn't invalidate their observations. Just saying.

    Madison Grant never married or had kids; neither did Lawrence Auster.

    Auster’s eloquent repugnance at anything homoerotic, or onanistic for that matter, seemed genuine to me. A classic case of Burton’s “liveliest disgust”.

    Near the end of his life, one of his few female fans offered to conceive a child with his seed. He was flattered, but horrified. How could you do that to your child? Nature without nurture!

    A lot of white nats are people who have low birthrates themselves and are sensitive to the subject. This doesn’t invalidate their observations.

    On the contrary, it may intensify them. Infertility concentrates the fertile mind.

    The Galtons, the Chestertons and the (Pat) Buchanans never had children, either, and I doubt it was from lack of trying. Galton was, and Buchanan is, obsessed with demography. (I don’t know what Chesterton said about the subject, but I’m going to look it up.)

    Genealogy is essentially the same thing, in the opposite direction. I’ve met many unmarried genealogists over the years, and was one myself for a long time. It’s a maiden-aunt, empty-nest kind of activity.

  141. @Jim
    What is so fiendishly difficult about the Japanese language?

    What is so fiendishly difficult about the Japanese language?

    Japanese people love to repeat that St. Francis Xavier reported their language was so difficult that it could only have been devised by the Devil.

    The grammar lends itself to being vague, it’s not like any European language so for an English speaker the overlap in vocabulary is tiny, and it’s mostly written with Chinese characters that don’t fit the language very well, of which you need to know about 2000 to be able to read properly. Even then, not knowing how to read someone else’s first name is pretty common, even for Japanese people.

    I’m hardly an expert, but it’s complicated enough that expecting Indonesian nurses working full-time to learn enough of it in three years to pass a nursing exam is probably setting them up to fail.

  142. @pork pie hat
    Ha, another gay rightist. There was a Huffington Post piece, maybe this one:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-strange-strange-story_b_136697.html

    pointing out that disproportionately many of the people who care about the cultural composition of their nations (fascists) are gay - Pim Fortuyn, Geert Wilders, Jörg Haider - the Le Pens are an exception. Somewhere else (maybe here) that it was speculated that, because they don't have children themselves, their only genetic legacy is that of their race.

    The Fascist Vice indeed!

  143. @Reg Cæsar
    Spectra are by definition "bipolar". You're looking for a matrix, or 3-D chess.

    Whatever. You know what I meant. But hey, maybe you and Art Deco can now have a thread pulling party.

  144. @Art Deco
    National Front stands for white French coming together. It has a nationalist wing and Catholic wing. It makes Jews worry.
    --
    Observant Catholics are about 3% of the population in France and the only Christian democratic element left in the electorate is incorporated into one of the subsidiaries of UPM. There has been no discretely Catholic organization on the French right with any electoral punch since the inter-war period. The Catholic political parties (MRP, CDS, &c) were all vaguely centrist and allied with the technocratic right.

    Observant Catholics are about 3% of the population in France and the only Christian democratic element left in the electorate is incorporated into one of the subsidiaries of UPM.

    Strange straw man you’re setting up here. How does it add up to the FN not having a Catholic or nationalist wing?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    1. Any kind of Catholic vote is a single-digit minority.

    2. The Catholic vote has little recent history of expression through anything but the centre parties (now absorbed into UMP).

    3. A 'Catholic" wing of FN cannot be that important. (As far as I am aware, neither Le Pen is an observant Catholic).
  145. @Art Deco
    The National Front has maintained an abiding and gradually increasing electoral base in spite of that. The French electoral system was well adapted to correcting some of the pathologies of the 3d and 4th Republic, but it does have some defects. If they had ordinal balloting, UMP voters could select their second choice from all qualifying candidates and not be limited to those remaining in the 2d round consequent to 1st round performance stewed through political deal-making. The thing is, the mechanics of the French electoral system will work in favor of the FN should the electoral base of UMP fall below a certain threshhold (provided that the divers right favors FN over the Socialists). I cannot do the math, but I suspect that would be in a circumstance where FN commanded a quarter of the electorate and UMP only about 12%.

    The French electoral system was well adapted to correcting some of the pathologies of the 3d and 4th Republic …

    Maybe you could rewrite this a bit less pompously, so that, you know, someone who has only a passing familiarity with French politics can make sense of what you’re trying to say?

    I cannot do the math, but I suspect that would be in a circumstance where FN commanded a quarter of the electorate and UMP only about 12%.

    “I cannot do the math” sounds like a candidate for the iSteve Badge of Shame to me …

  146. @Pugnacious Rightist

    Observant Catholics are about 3% of the population in France and the only Christian democratic element left in the electorate is incorporated into one of the subsidiaries of UPM.
     
    Strange straw man you're setting up here. How does it add up to the FN not having a Catholic or nationalist wing?

    1. Any kind of Catholic vote is a single-digit minority.

    2. The Catholic vote has little recent history of expression through anything but the centre parties (now absorbed into UMP).

    3. A ‘Catholic” wing of FN cannot be that important. (As far as I am aware, neither Le Pen is an observant Catholic).

    • Replies: @Pugnacious Rightist
    "I cannot do the math, but" said:

    1. Any kind of Catholic vote is a single-digit minority.

    2. The Catholic vote has little recent history of expression through anything but the centre parties (now absorbed into UMP).

     

    You seem to have a very legalistic interpretation of what "Catholic wing" could mean. A reasonable person might take it to mean "a wing proposing policies that appeal to Catholics".

    You're asserting that for an organization to have a Catholic wing, it has to be led by an observant Catholic (3% of the population, you said), it has to call itself Catholic, and anyway there aren't enough Catholics for it to exist (only the most Catholic Catholics get to apply, and also you have to have voted for a "Catholic" party to be counted). I'd say you're crazy, but a looser definition doesn't let you parade your knowledge of defunct French political parties ...
  147. @Art Deco
    1. Any kind of Catholic vote is a single-digit minority.

    2. The Catholic vote has little recent history of expression through anything but the centre parties (now absorbed into UMP).

    3. A 'Catholic" wing of FN cannot be that important. (As far as I am aware, neither Le Pen is an observant Catholic).

    “I cannot do the math, but” said:

    1. Any kind of Catholic vote is a single-digit minority.

    2. The Catholic vote has little recent history of expression through anything but the centre parties (now absorbed into UMP).

    You seem to have a very legalistic interpretation of what “Catholic wing” could mean. A reasonable person might take it to mean “a wing proposing policies that appeal to Catholics”.

    You’re asserting that for an organization to have a Catholic wing, it has to be led by an observant Catholic (3% of the population, you said), it has to call itself Catholic, and anyway there aren’t enough Catholics for it to exist (only the most Catholic Catholics get to apply, and also you have to have voted for a “Catholic” party to be counted). I’d say you’re crazy, but a looser definition doesn’t let you parade your knowledge of defunct French political parties …

  148. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factor"] says:
    @Art Deco
    National Front stands for white French coming together. It has a nationalist wing and Catholic wing. It makes Jews worry.
    --
    Observant Catholics are about 3% of the population in France and the only Christian democratic element left in the electorate is incorporated into one of the subsidiaries of UPM. There has been no discretely Catholic organization on the French right with any electoral punch since the inter-war period. The Catholic political parties (MRP, CDS, &c) were all vaguely centrist and allied with the technocratic right.

    “There has been no discretely Catholic organization on the French right with any electoral punch since the inter-war period.”

    What matters is Jews don’t see it that way. Jews worry about the latent power of things.
    After all, Russian nationalism was supposed to be gone after the Communist Revolution. But it made a comeback.
    And the Russian Orthodox Church was supposed to be finished for good. But Putin brought it back.

    True, all of Western Europe is pretty dry religiously. But Jews could not have been happy seeing a million Catholics march in France in opposition to ‘gay marriage’.

    The thing is, if nationalism comes back in Europe, it can also revive Christianity, indeed not so much as a faith/credo but as a form of cultural identity. After all, many modern Jews are Jews not by faith(they don’t believe in God) but Jews by identity.

    With all the problems of immigrants and Muslims, Christianity might revive itself as an identity movement. That’s what they have in Russia. Russian Christianity is one with Russian nationalism.

    That is why Jews want the Western Christian churches to be ‘gay’-ized. That way, the very soul of the Church will be corrupted and weakened via association with decadence and perversion.

    Indeed, imagine The Russian Orthodox Church serving as the symbol of the Russian soul and the motherland if it allowed the likes of Sam Smith to sing pro-‘gay marriage’ songs inside it. Imagine if the Russian Church were to be pussy-rioted. How could that kind of Church stand for identity, pride, and tradition? That is precisely why Jews want to ‘gay’-ize the Churches. In the Russian Revolution, Jews sought to physically destroy all the Churches. But they couldn’t destroy the heart and soul of Christianity. Today, Jews don’t attack the physical Church but seek to corrupt the very soul of the Church. Jews work with homo-agents who’ve taken over theological departments and entered churches to turn them into temples of Sodom.
    When the soul of something is dead, it’s dead.

    Physical destruction can be overcome. But the damage of spiritual corruption cannot be reversed.

    For example, suppose you’re into work ethic and good honest work. Even if your house is destroyed, you will build another one.

    But even if your house remains intact, if you’re turned into a decadent druggie without values or direction, your life will dissipate and decay. Your house may stand but you’ll just be spiritually rotting puss inside it.

  149. @Cagey Beast
    Yes, from what I learned in school, it was that Stalin was annoyed Britain and the White Dominions of the British Empire all got seats at the UN while the vast USSR only got one.

    In an ideal world Stalin should have been told to get stuffed for that cynical argument.

    The Dominions getting UN seats had all been wholly self governed at home since 1867, 1901, 1907 or earlier, and 1910. Although all had been at war automatically in 1914 as part of a united empire, Britain already had no means in law or policy to compel any particular military contribution from any, and all determined the scope and nature of their contributions at will in the context of their own politics.

    They had all been sovereign states in foreign policy [the usual last hurdle] since 1931 in law and earlier in practice. Canada had made a point of declaring war in 1939 in its own name.

    And if all had demonstrated that they would sign on with Britain in wars comparable to WW2 [South Africa almost didn’t], they had all also demonstrated that they could not be counted on for automatic military or even diplomatic support in Britain’s wars of choice and imperial interest. The key moment was the Chanak Crisis, when it became clear they would not back adventurism against nationalist Turks.

    Sorry for the length. I am Canadian and this bit of Soviet claptrap ticked me off when I first heard it in history classes and it still does. I refuse to have my country’s foreign policy or military contributions of that era compared to the conditions of a Georgian slave driver, his Russian minions, or their hordes of conscripted unfortunate Ukrainian peasant troops driven into the German fields of fire like so many Egyptians before the Persian whip.

    Nothing personal. I don’t even mean to imply a complete lack of sympathy with Russian interests. But their BS quotient is always fairly high, whether now or in 1945. One admires the brio with which it is delivered, but sometimes they need a smacking.

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