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From Slate:

The Problem With That Catcalling Video

By Hanna Rosin

On Tuesday, Slate and everyone else posted a video of a woman who is harassed more than 100 times by men as she walks around New York City for ten hours. More specifically, it’s a video of a young white woman who is harassed by mostly black and Latino men as she walks around New York City for ten hours. The one dude who turns around and says, “Nice,” is white, but the guys who do the most egregious things—like the one who harangues her, “Somebody’s acknowledging you for being beautiful! You should say thank you more,” or the one who follows her down the street too closely for five whole minutes—are not.

Hanna Rosin is the founder of DoubleX and a writer for the Atlantic. She is also the author of The End of Men. Follow her on Twitter.

This doesn’t mean that the video doesn’t still effectively make its point, that a woman can’t walk down the street lost in her own thoughts, that men feel totally free to demand her attention and get annoyed when she doesn’t respond, that women can’t be at ease in a public space in the same way men can. But the video also unintentionally makes another point, that harassers are mostly black and Latino, and hanging out on the streets in midday in clothes that suggest they are not on their lunch break. As Roxane Gay tweeted, “The racial politics of the video are f****** up. Like, she didn’t walk through any white neighborhoods?”

The video is a collaboration between Hollaback!, an anti-street harassment organization, and the marketing agency Rob Bliss Creative. At the end they claim the woman experienced 100 plus incidents of harassment “involving people of all backgrounds.” Since that obviously doesn’t show up in the video, Bliss addressed it in a post. He wrote, “we got a fair amount of white guys, but for whatever reason, a lot of what they said was in passing, or off camera” or was ruined by a siren or other noise. The final product, he writes, “is not a perfect representation of everything that happened.”

Sure they did.

That may be true but if you find yourself editing out all the catcalling white guys, maybe you should try another take. …

Yes, but at a secret conclave of The Elders of Zion National Park, head patriarchalist Mitt Romney put a ban on that, so you’ll never see the footage of the black woman being sexually harassed by cleancut young white men in short sleeve shirts and ties while she strolls the streets of Provo, Utah.

We can just conclude that they caught a small slice of catcallers and lots of other men do it too. But if the point of this video is to teach men about the day-to-day reality of women, then this video doesn’t hit its target. The men who are sitting in their offices or in cafes watching this video will instead be able to comfortably assure themselves that they don’t have time to sit on hydrants in the middle of the day and can’t properly pronounce “mami.” They might do things to women that are worse than catcalling, but this is not their sin.

They might. After all, they are straight white men, who as we all know are the most hateful hate-filled creatures on Earth. Just because somebody put a huge amount of effort into recording men behaving badly and came up with a whole bunch of blacks and Latinos doesn’t mean straight white men aren’t the real problem. Straight white men are like beavers, active only on the darkest of nights when we can’t see their nefariousness.

 
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  1. I’m amazed that anyone at Slate et al. even “noticed” (there’s that word again) the racial disparity. I figured it’d be just us and /pol/ picking up on it.

    • Replies: @dumpstersquirrel
    "I’m amazed that anyone at Slate et al. even “noticed” (there’s that word again) the racial disparity."

    Yes, wow just wow. My local gaystream media outlets made absolutely no mention of the very obvious fact that 99% of the "harassers" were black. This video definitely qualifies as Hatefact, and I'm sure media editors everywhere are now working feverishly to figure out a way to whiten or otherwise make the race of the "harassers" impossible to determine. Wow just wow.
    , @seth
    Are you kidding? Racial disparity is what they are keyed-up to notice in every situation.


    They just see it from the other side.
  2. I shudder to think what would’ve happened to a blond girl.

  3. At the end they claim the woman experienced 100 plus incidents of harassment “involving people of all backgrounds.”

    Trivially true. Sure a vastly disproportionate amount came from non-whites, but since 1 or 2 were white males we can accurately say street harassers come from any demographic group. Another woman made a short documentary about street harassment in Belgium that was a bit more intellectually honest:

    http://www.mrctv.org/videos/sexual-harassment-women-brussels-whole-video

    “In nine out of ten cases, such remarks are made by men of foreign origin.”

  4. “A lot of white guys were harassing her, too, but unfortunately my dog ate those parts of the video.”

  5. Do these guys just make a habit of catcalling any woman who looks halfway decent, in hopes that the shotgun approach will result in at least a few phone numbers? I ask this because the woman in the video is reasonably attractive, but couldn’t remotely be described as “gorgeous” or a “knockout”- she’s just slightly on the good-looking side of average, by the standards of healthy young women. Goodness, what if she had been underwear-model pretty?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That ethnic Nuyorican-ish look tends to be very popular among NYC blacks and Latins, more than among other demographics.

    But yes, catcalling and approaching as many women as possible is the general strategy. And it's mainly what the whole "Game" scene and advice boils down to.
    , @Anonymous

    Do these guys just make a habit of catcalling any woman who looks halfway decent, in hopes that the shotgun approach will result in at least a few phone numbers?

     

    I think so, yes. My wife has been approached several times on public transportation by black men who ask flat out "do you want to have sex?" They don't even get mad when she says no. Can't blame a *cough* *cough* for trying, right? Apparently the shotgun approach works for them. Sooner or later, someone must say yes.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    A corespondent of Heartiste's on Twitter suggested a more attractive woman might have gotten less attention due to the perception that she would be less amenable to NAM charms.
    , @dumpstersquirrel
    "I ask this because the woman in the video is reasonably attractive, but couldn’t remotely be described as “gorgeous” or a “knockout”"

    Because she got much junk in da trunk, and a white girl with big bootay drives black men almost literally insane with desire. They won't react that way to a skinny white girl or to a sista.
    , @Anonymous
    @conan,

    you took the words right out of my mouth...she's nice, but hot?? come on.

    WTF!
    , @RickyVaughn
    This is actually the body type that drives black men crazy. If that girl was skinny she probably would have received less harassment. I see this everyday - black men's heads turning as a big old land whale walks by - the fatter the ass the better.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Do these guys just make a habit of catcalling any woman who looks halfway decent, in hopes that the shotgun approach will result in at least a few phone numbers? I ask this because the woman in the video is reasonably attractive, but couldn’t remotely be described as “gorgeous” or a “knockout”- she’s just slightly on the good-looking side of average, by the standards of healthy young women. Goodness, what if she had been underwear-model pretty?"

    Not everyone regards bone-thin-with-yellow-hair as the apex of female beauty. Most of the right-wing knucklehads I associate with, share in my opinion that this is one sultry Jewess. Its great that you don't agree, but its amusing the way you seem to conflate your personal tastes with some kind of objective standard of beauty. Lots of men like women who look like this...as demonstrated by the video.
  6. She looks like the Nuyorican type that NYC blacks and Latinos are into.

    • Replies: @JerryC
    "She looks like the Nuyorican type that NYC blacks and Latinos are into."

    Jenny from the block?
  7. WhatEvvs [AKA "Cookies"] says:

    So you are expecting, like, street smarts from Hanna Rosin?

    The funniest thing about this notorious video is that it shows real guys appreciating a woman who is 20 pounds fatter than the show-biz ideal, which is decried by feminists. She have a big booty and black/brown guys love it. What’s their problem? Oh, everything.

  8. @Rapparee
    Do these guys just make a habit of catcalling any woman who looks halfway decent, in hopes that the shotgun approach will result in at least a few phone numbers? I ask this because the woman in the video is reasonably attractive, but couldn't remotely be described as "gorgeous" or a "knockout"- she's just slightly on the good-looking side of average, by the standards of healthy young women. Goodness, what if she had been underwear-model pretty?

    That ethnic Nuyorican-ish look tends to be very popular among NYC blacks and Latins, more than among other demographics.

    But yes, catcalling and approaching as many women as possible is the general strategy. And it’s mainly what the whole “Game” scene and advice boils down to.

    • Replies: @Sean
    "approaching as many women as possible is the general strategy. And it’s mainly what the whole “Game” scene and advice boils down to."

    I think most white men have an algorithm that tends to read the runes of a female's behaviour as 'she wants me' even if they don't follow though on the feeling. Blacks are by nature primed to make the approach.

  9. Shorter Rosin:

    “DON’T THINK WHAT YOU NOTICE, THINK THIS OTHER THING”.

    Holy crap what a load of shit.

  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rapparee
    Do these guys just make a habit of catcalling any woman who looks halfway decent, in hopes that the shotgun approach will result in at least a few phone numbers? I ask this because the woman in the video is reasonably attractive, but couldn't remotely be described as "gorgeous" or a "knockout"- she's just slightly on the good-looking side of average, by the standards of healthy young women. Goodness, what if she had been underwear-model pretty?

    Do these guys just make a habit of catcalling any woman who looks halfway decent, in hopes that the shotgun approach will result in at least a few phone numbers?

    I think so, yes. My wife has been approached several times on public transportation by black men who ask flat out “do you want to have sex?” They don’t even get mad when she says no. Can’t blame a *cough* *cough* for trying, right? Apparently the shotgun approach works for them. Sooner or later, someone must say yes.

  11. Until I see that booty myself I don’t feel qualified to opine.

  12. Goodness, showing the raw data might give people the wrong idea….

  13. @Rapparee
    Do these guys just make a habit of catcalling any woman who looks halfway decent, in hopes that the shotgun approach will result in at least a few phone numbers? I ask this because the woman in the video is reasonably attractive, but couldn't remotely be described as "gorgeous" or a "knockout"- she's just slightly on the good-looking side of average, by the standards of healthy young women. Goodness, what if she had been underwear-model pretty?

    A corespondent of Heartiste’s on Twitter suggested a more attractive woman might have gotten less attention due to the perception that she would be less amenable to NAM charms.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Many NYC blacks and Latins prefer Puerto Rican looking girls with large backsides over more svelte types that whites might find more attractive.

    Also she looks like she could be a Puerto Rican girl from NYC who normally dates NYC black and Latins.
  14. Slate, Salon and their ilk seem to focus way too much on what happens in NYC, as if that is the be-all and end-all for anything relevant anywhere.
    They seem to live out that New Yorker cover where Manhattan has an exaggerated size relative to the rest of the country.
    Advice to butt-hurt SJWs at those rags: get out of town once in a while to see how other Americans live (that is, if you can stand someone asking that), instead of just trolling for a loose change click-bait story and throwing that at the world.
    With over 300 million people in our fair country, you may be surprised to learn a few things, although that would likely involve changing your narrative somewhat.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    Women really need to get over themselves. We are looking at a lot of cat-ladies in our future.

    BTW, is Rob Bliss the "Bliss" who's been commenting here?

  15. @Anonymous
    She looks like the Nuyorican type that NYC blacks and Latinos are into.

    “She looks like the Nuyorican type that NYC blacks and Latinos are into.”

    Jenny from the block?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    What are you on about? That's a nice jewish girl if I ever saw one.
  16. I’m white and I cat call. After all, it’s my first amendment right. If you don’t want to be cat called, don’t dress sexy.

  17. This post was a homerun for iSteve fans, all the way down to do the beaver reference.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    Beaver reference in a story about catcalls? Where? I missed it.

    A wide-open beaver was a photograph of a woman not wearing underpants, and with her legs far apart, so that the mouth of her vagina could be seen. The expression was first used by news photographers, who often got to see up women’s skirts at accidents and sporting events and from underneath fire escapes and so on. They needed a code word to yell to other newsmen and friendly policemen and firemen and so on, to let them know what could be seen, in case they wanted to see it. The word was this: “Beaver!”

    A beaver was actually a large rodent. It loved water, so it built dams.

    -- Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions

  18. @Ivy
    Slate, Salon and their ilk seem to focus way too much on what happens in NYC, as if that is the be-all and end-all for anything relevant anywhere.
    They seem to live out that New Yorker cover where Manhattan has an exaggerated size relative to the rest of the country.
    Advice to butt-hurt SJWs at those rags: get out of town once in a while to see how other Americans live (that is, if you can stand someone asking that), instead of just trolling for a loose change click-bait story and throwing that at the world.
    With over 300 million people in our fair country, you may be surprised to learn a few things, although that would likely involve changing your narrative somewhat.

    Women really need to get over themselves. We are looking at a lot of cat-ladies in our future.

    BTW, is Rob Bliss the “Bliss” who’s been commenting here?

  19. I don’t think Hanna gets many catcalls, or ever did:

    Something’s fishy about this. That woman is not particularly attractive. She supposedly was ‘catcalled’ 10x an hour. Do you overhear anything approaching that going about your daily business?

  20. lol, I saw Fox talk about this today. They were defending the cat callers, and made the obvious point that initial approaches are often awkward, but they’re a small price to pay for meeting a spouse. But they didn’t even notice the racial angle.

  21. Pretty average looking, I’d say. She wouldn’t turn heads in Italy.

  22. Keep in mind that this might have been faked. Any time you see a video purporting to prove the liberal case on social issues, just remember that it’s been done before.

    For instance:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2802266/youtube-pranksters-muslim-racial-profiling-video-hoax-designed-smear-nypd-cash-creating-viral-content.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Walking around the block twice is a tried and true method for upping the hubba-hubba level. Another way is to walk down streets with lots of bars or restaurants or other establishments that the employ men as touts to try to get passerbys to come in.

    Also, women have a lot of control over self-presentation. Jean Strassberg told a story about walking around New York with Marilyn Monroe without anybody noticing. Then Norma Jean giggled, "Watch this," and transformed herself into Marilyn! and was suddenly besieged by fans.

    Back in the early 2000s, when Tom Hanks was the top star in Hollywood, I watched Hanks walk around the densely crowded Los Angeles Auto Show with barely anybody noticing that the guy who passed six inches from them was a huge star. He's a talented actor and he had set his body language and facial expression to "I'm Too Boring to Look At" so he could have a normal person's evening out without being hassled by fans.

  23. Did the guy in the purple pimp suit offer her a thousand dollars?

    • Replies: @CJ
    Did the guy in the purple pimp suit offer her a thousand dollars?

    Nah, he offered her $20.
  24. 9,00,000 views?

    In the clip, the camera does a good job of tracking her. It could have been a hidden cam in a backpack, but I wonder if they knew they were being photographed and if that played a part.

    She look pretty good, but she also has a bit of a harsh manner so to speak.

    I’d like to see part two, featuring BabaYugo, aka @LenaDunham.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "but I wonder if they knew they were being photographed and if that played a part."

    Quite possible. It's not as if New Yorkers have never seen a camera before. They know the cameraman generally wants them to act New Yorkerish.

  25. @Anonymous
    I'm amazed that anyone at Slate et al. even "noticed" (there's that word again) the racial disparity. I figured it'd be just us and /pol/ picking up on it.

    “I’m amazed that anyone at Slate et al. even “noticed” (there’s that word again) the racial disparity.”

    Yes, wow just wow. My local gaystream media outlets made absolutely no mention of the very obvious fact that 99% of the “harassers” were black. This video definitely qualifies as Hatefact, and I’m sure media editors everywhere are now working feverishly to figure out a way to whiten or otherwise make the race of the “harassers” impossible to determine. Wow just wow.

  26. @Rapparee
    Do these guys just make a habit of catcalling any woman who looks halfway decent, in hopes that the shotgun approach will result in at least a few phone numbers? I ask this because the woman in the video is reasonably attractive, but couldn't remotely be described as "gorgeous" or a "knockout"- she's just slightly on the good-looking side of average, by the standards of healthy young women. Goodness, what if she had been underwear-model pretty?

    “I ask this because the woman in the video is reasonably attractive, but couldn’t remotely be described as “gorgeous” or a “knockout””

    Because she got much junk in da trunk, and a white girl with big bootay drives black men almost literally insane with desire. They won’t react that way to a skinny white girl or to a sista.

  27. @Stealth
    Keep in mind that this might have been faked. Any time you see a video purporting to prove the liberal case on social issues, just remember that it's been done before.

    For instance:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2802266/youtube-pranksters-muslim-racial-profiling-video-hoax-designed-smear-nypd-cash-creating-viral-content.html

    Walking around the block twice is a tried and true method for upping the hubba-hubba level. Another way is to walk down streets with lots of bars or restaurants or other establishments that the employ men as touts to try to get passerbys to come in.

    Also, women have a lot of control over self-presentation. Jean Strassberg told a story about walking around New York with Marilyn Monroe without anybody noticing. Then Norma Jean giggled, “Watch this,” and transformed herself into Marilyn! and was suddenly besieged by fans.

    Back in the early 2000s, when Tom Hanks was the top star in Hollywood, I watched Hanks walk around the densely crowded Los Angeles Auto Show with barely anybody noticing that the guy who passed six inches from them was a huge star. He’s a talented actor and he had set his body language and facial expression to “I’m Too Boring to Look At” so he could have a normal person’s evening out without being hassled by fans.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yeah, but....Jean Strassberg wasn't exactly all that. Unfortunately, there does exist a stereotype among NY/East coast types of folks "I was out with her/him famous person of...and they're not all that, no one even noticed them." Type of thing.

    Yeah, like Jean Strassberg was really the one who was turning heads in Flatbush instead of Marilyn.

    Sure she was.

    Reminds one of the old one about a married couple sitting in a bar. Man is ignoring his wife watching a game on TV.

    "Morrie, are you noticing me?"

    "Wha'd you say, Sadie? The Mets are playing right now!"

    A blonde blue eyed woman walks in the bar. Immediately man turns around to notice the woman walking though the bar.

    "Oh, NOW you're all at attention. What does she got that I don't have?"

    Man turns back to his wife in total amazement.

    "You're blind, right?"

    "Go back to the Mets, Morrie."

    Jean Strassberg was blind.

    And also, it's the natural competitive nature of women to compete for men.
    , @WhatEvvs
    " corespondent of Heartiste’s on Twitter suggested a more attractive woman might have gotten less attention due to the perception that she would be less amenable to NAM charms."

    My sentiments exactly.

    "Jean Strassberg" -- you mean Susan?

    “but I wonder if they knew they were being photographed and if that played a part.”

    The BF had a GoPro on. He was supposedly not detectable. But I do think that she was behaving in such a way as to invite attention.

    "act New Yorkerish."

    Except when it comes to movie stars. Then we try to be all cool and pretend that a real movie star doesn't faze them. There are several Youtube videos of Keanu Reeves on the subway & no one makes a big deal over him (except the photographer). I think that Brad Pitt would cause a stir.

    Anyway, the point is that the woman was trolling for attention, and she got it. I don't believe they just walked around for 10 hours. Show me the GoPro video time stamps.
  28. Anonymous [AKA "vipltd."] says:

    A few years ago I was on a BART train and across from me was a very attractive octoroon who was obviously 4 months pregnant. Onto the train came an oakie/wigger, with drooping pants, tattoos and sideways hat. He says to her, “do you party?” But she wasn’t sullen like that video chick. She just smiled and said, “I have a boyfriend.”

  29. @24AheadDotCom
    9,00,000 views?

    In the clip, the camera does a good job of tracking her. It could have been a hidden cam in a backpack, but I wonder if they knew they were being photographed and if that played a part.

    She look pretty good, but she also has a bit of a harsh manner so to speak.

    I'd like to see part two, featuring BabaYugo, aka @LenaDunham.

    “but I wonder if they knew they were being photographed and if that played a part.”

    Quite possible. It’s not as if New Yorkers have never seen a camera before. They know the cameraman generally wants them to act New Yorkerish.

    • Replies: @Stealth
    It has to be something like that. Over a hundred times in ten hours? I've been to plenty of cities, and I live in a VERY black area of the country, but I've never seen anything like this.
  30. Yeah, no surprise here. My Boston-born-and-raised wife tells me she regularly got approached by strange men on the street growing up in Boston, and the attention came almost exclusively from lower-class black guys.

    By contrast, she said white men never bothered her, but her Irish and Italian male relatives WERE extremely keen to make sure that the harassment wasn’t occurring in “their” neighborhoods — often saying that they were quite ready to round up a bunch of their friends and go have a “talk” with anybody in “their” neighborhoods who behaved that way.

    • Replies: @Rapparee
    "By contrast, she said white men never bothered her, but her Irish and Italian male relatives WERE extremely keen to make sure that the harassment wasn’t occurring in 'their' neighborhoods — often saying that they were quite ready to round up a bunch of their friends and go have a 'talk' with anybody in 'their' neighborhoods who behaved that way."

    I know a Bostonian woman who said she used to get a lot of catcalls from Italian-American Tony Manero types in the '70s, but it was always near Faneuil Hall, which is the city's #1 tourist trap. Presumably tourist women were considered "fair game", not having any dour Bostonian menfolk to take revenge. Other than that, she said most catcalling in the city was from Hispanics, who were even more aggressive than blacks in that regard.

    I can scarcely imagine catcalling in an Irish neighborhood. Amongst the Sons of Mil, whether Irish-born or Gael-Mheiriceánach, it seems like most men need several shots of whiskey just to work up the courage to smile at a woman from halfway across the room. Hence the saying, "An Irishman is the only man in the world who will step over the bodies of a dozen naked women to get at a bottle of stout". It's funny, too, because white women seem to stereotype Irish guys as quite attractive (doubly so if he's got that dreamy accent).

  31. “Straight White Men Still Exist; Women and Minorities Remain Hardest Hit.”

  32. Too bad she didn’t stroll through Williamsburg or Kiryas Joel.

  33. In part 2, she will travel to Ferguson, Missouri and walk around and see what happens.

  34. First, I noticed there was a decent amount of footage shot on 125th street. By my experience black men will tend to be extra bold up there, especially with a fat-azzed Newyorican looking gal, so she kind of rigged the experiment to make “men” look bad. If she headed up Amsterdam north of 96th street, she’d have Puerto Ricans galore filling her every harassment need.

    On the other hand, if she started at the MET, and headed south down 5th avenue, she’d find dramatically less catcalls and offers. Wonder why that might be…

    Second, Hanna directed her readers to another video made by the Daily Show, which she purports to be a better sampling of men that included white people… the video showed minorities doing the cat calling, and only showed pickup shots of white people sitting around doing nothing. I might have missed a white guy catcalling, but whites were certainly in the minority compared to the… minorities.

    Is that how statistics work in your shitteous world, Hanna? If you don’t have the qualified number, you just insert unqualified numbers you like and call it good?

    Don’t they have any competent editors at Slate that might alert her when she’s looking like an idiot?

    This goes for the Daily Show too. Patting themselves on the back while their black “reporter” shows a hot mess of minorities catcalling her, while making no mention that a hot mess of minorities were cat calling her.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "First, I noticed there was a decent amount of footage shot on 125th street. By my experience black men will tend to be extra bold up there,"

    125th St. in the middle of Harlem is the single most famous black street in America, so it's asking a little much of extroverted black guys to act like introverted white guys on what is very much their home turf.
  35. “Straight white men are like beavers, active only on the darkest of nights when we can’t see their nefariousness.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynoT189JwJE

  36. I haven’t watched the video, but I take it it’s all just Democrat voters interacting with each other? Just like in DC, it’s only a matter of time before the “myopic little twits” are at war with the ghetto.

  37. @Dave Pinsen
    A corespondent of Heartiste's on Twitter suggested a more attractive woman might have gotten less attention due to the perception that she would be less amenable to NAM charms.

    Many NYC blacks and Latins prefer Puerto Rican looking girls with large backsides over more svelte types that whites might find more attractive.

    Also she looks like she could be a Puerto Rican girl from NYC who normally dates NYC black and Latins.

  38. By the way, I seem to remember some german tourist women who were stripped naked outside their hotel by Central Park because they decided to walk outside during Puerto Rican Day (or whatever it’s called). The issue died down very quickly in my opinion, considering the women were STRIPPED NAKED ON 59TH STREET SURROUNDED BY PUERTO RICAN MEN.

    BTW, when I lived in NYC, it was common for white folks to either leave town for the weekend, or stay inside during Puerto Rican Day. And if you did go out, you sure as fuck stayed away from the epicenter of their activities in Manhattan. It was the only day the police allowed Puerto Ricans to go collectively insane, and short of public rape, all women were/are fair game. I think there’s an old Seinfeld episode that gently touched upon the subject.

    I wonder when Slate, the Daily Show, or some feminist might grow some balls and give America a taste of that.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "STRIPPED NAKED ON 59TH STREET SURROUNDED BY PUERTO RICAN MEN."

    59th Street is Central Park South, where the famous Plaza Hotel, FAO Schwarz, and the Apple store are located. It's pretty much the summit of Whit Stillman's America.

  39. I swear. There’s just no pleasing women. Germaine Greer (a hot Australian feminist many decades ago) on getting old and wrinkled:

    The change hurts. Like a person newly released from leg irons the freed woman staggers at first. Though her excessive visibility was anguish, her present invisibility is disorienting. She had not realized how much she depended upon her physical presence, at shop counters, at the garage, on the bus. For the first time in her life she finds that she has to raise her voice or wait endlessly while other people push in front of her.

    She does not remember how bitterly she resented being hunted and harried through the world as a desirable female, does not remember having to take in the most spectacular monuments while walking briskly and keeping her eyes trained purposefully ahead, to avoid being accosted by the men who prowled on either side, does not remember being groped in cathedrals and frightened out of cinemas. She learns to avoid the heavy swing doors that are no longer held open for her, and to avoid places where her new invisibility means she will be trampled and jostled.

    The woman who retains the viewpoint of the young, to whom older people are not only invisible but uninteresting, will manage this transition badly. [Germaine Greer, “The Change”, 1991]

    Give the chubster in the video ten more years, and she will be wondering why she is invisible to men as well. She will find herself forced to “embrace her inner crone” as Miss Greer was compelled to do.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    She learns to avoid the heavy swing doors that are no longer held open for her
     
    Ah yes, feminists have certainly been at the forefront of demands that men hold doors open for them.
  40. I learned about this story on a Russian news site. The gist of the Russian comments was “how bad must New York women look if THIS is whom the men there harass?”

  41. YES, a resounding YES to all that you said, Sailer.

    But why is that so?

    Oh, that’s right–you have only one answer for that question–it’s them dirty dirty Democrats behind it.

    Keep things simple, right? Yes, but why?

  42. @V Vega
    By the way, I seem to remember some german tourist women who were stripped naked outside their hotel by Central Park because they decided to walk outside during Puerto Rican Day (or whatever it's called). The issue died down very quickly in my opinion, considering the women were STRIPPED NAKED ON 59TH STREET SURROUNDED BY PUERTO RICAN MEN.

    BTW, when I lived in NYC, it was common for white folks to either leave town for the weekend, or stay inside during Puerto Rican Day. And if you did go out, you sure as fuck stayed away from the epicenter of their activities in Manhattan. It was the only day the police allowed Puerto Ricans to go collectively insane, and short of public rape, all women were/are fair game. I think there's an old Seinfeld episode that gently touched upon the subject.

    I wonder when Slate, the Daily Show, or some feminist might grow some balls and give America a taste of that.

    “STRIPPED NAKED ON 59TH STREET SURROUNDED BY PUERTO RICAN MEN.”

    59th Street is Central Park South, where the famous Plaza Hotel, FAO Schwarz, and the Apple store are located. It’s pretty much the summit of Whit Stillman’s America.

  43. @Steve Sailer
    "but I wonder if they knew they were being photographed and if that played a part."

    Quite possible. It's not as if New Yorkers have never seen a camera before. They know the cameraman generally wants them to act New Yorkerish.

    It has to be something like that. Over a hundred times in ten hours? I’ve been to plenty of cities, and I live in a VERY black area of the country, but I’ve never seen anything like this.

  44. @Steve Sailer
    Walking around the block twice is a tried and true method for upping the hubba-hubba level. Another way is to walk down streets with lots of bars or restaurants or other establishments that the employ men as touts to try to get passerbys to come in.

    Also, women have a lot of control over self-presentation. Jean Strassberg told a story about walking around New York with Marilyn Monroe without anybody noticing. Then Norma Jean giggled, "Watch this," and transformed herself into Marilyn! and was suddenly besieged by fans.

    Back in the early 2000s, when Tom Hanks was the top star in Hollywood, I watched Hanks walk around the densely crowded Los Angeles Auto Show with barely anybody noticing that the guy who passed six inches from them was a huge star. He's a talented actor and he had set his body language and facial expression to "I'm Too Boring to Look At" so he could have a normal person's evening out without being hassled by fans.

    Yeah, but….Jean Strassberg wasn’t exactly all that. Unfortunately, there does exist a stereotype among NY/East coast types of folks “I was out with her/him famous person of…and they’re not all that, no one even noticed them.” Type of thing.

    Yeah, like Jean Strassberg was really the one who was turning heads in Flatbush instead of Marilyn.

    Sure she was.

    Reminds one of the old one about a married couple sitting in a bar. Man is ignoring his wife watching a game on TV.

    “Morrie, are you noticing me?”

    “Wha’d you say, Sadie? The Mets are playing right now!”

    A blonde blue eyed woman walks in the bar. Immediately man turns around to notice the woman walking though the bar.

    “Oh, NOW you’re all at attention. What does she got that I don’t have?”

    Man turns back to his wife in total amazement.

    “You’re blind, right?”

    “Go back to the Mets, Morrie.”

    Jean Strassberg was blind.

    And also, it’s the natural competitive nature of women to compete for men.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "Yeah, like Jean Strassberg was really the one who was turning heads in Flatbush instead of Marilyn."

    Please read more carefully before replying: Marilyn and Jean were out running errands, and neither was getting any attention, because Marilyn wanted to avoid distractions. Eventually, however, Marilyn had the time, so standing on a street corner she quickly changed her body language and affect into being the most famous woman in the world and within a couple of minutes had caused a traffic jam.

  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Hanna Rosin takes a different approach. A few days after Palin was announced as the VP candidate, Hanna remarked (a bit testily) on Slate that her husband admitted having dreams about Palin. The secret dread of the blond shiksa. I’ll bet she did what she had to do to get his attention back.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Thank you. The point is made. Like Hosin, like Strassberg.

    If this were Ann Coulter instead of Hannah Rosin we'd hear a humorous little story or something on the sly amounting to, 'Well, men will be men, after all. If you can't lick 'em join em, right girls?"

    Coulter would probably join them. Rosin just attempts to shame the men for noticing.

    Because if Brad Pitt or George Clooney came over to Rosin and started chatting her up or smiled at her from a distance, I'm sure she'd be so insulted and just have to write a column about it.

  46. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yeah, but....Jean Strassberg wasn't exactly all that. Unfortunately, there does exist a stereotype among NY/East coast types of folks "I was out with her/him famous person of...and they're not all that, no one even noticed them." Type of thing.

    Yeah, like Jean Strassberg was really the one who was turning heads in Flatbush instead of Marilyn.

    Sure she was.

    Reminds one of the old one about a married couple sitting in a bar. Man is ignoring his wife watching a game on TV.

    "Morrie, are you noticing me?"

    "Wha'd you say, Sadie? The Mets are playing right now!"

    A blonde blue eyed woman walks in the bar. Immediately man turns around to notice the woman walking though the bar.

    "Oh, NOW you're all at attention. What does she got that I don't have?"

    Man turns back to his wife in total amazement.

    "You're blind, right?"

    "Go back to the Mets, Morrie."

    Jean Strassberg was blind.

    And also, it's the natural competitive nature of women to compete for men.

    “Yeah, like Jean Strassberg was really the one who was turning heads in Flatbush instead of Marilyn.”

    Please read more carefully before replying: Marilyn and Jean were out running errands, and neither was getting any attention, because Marilyn wanted to avoid distractions. Eventually, however, Marilyn had the time, so standing on a street corner she quickly changed her body language and affect into being the most famous woman in the world and within a couple of minutes had caused a traffic jam.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    No, this time I did actually read it carefully. Since Marilyn's not around, and frankly, we only have Jean Strassberg's version. I....have to take it with a large grain of kosher salt.

    Like it or not the best looking women of their era never have a problem turning heads. Its the same way for Hilton and Kim Kardashian right now. She can't go anywhere in public in the US and not be instantly recognized and certainly will turn heads. But, I'm sure there are some who will rely the same type of story about Kim K as they did about Marilyn.

    I do agree that she probably wasn't getting the amount of attention that "Marilyn Monroe! GASP, ogle ogle ogle" was used to getting, but she was most likely turning heads. It certainly wasn't Jean Strassberg, that was turning heads. Never read any place where Jean Strassberg was a great sexual icon. Jean Seaberg, however, wasn't too bad.

    Actually, this is kind of similar to: During WW2 War Bond drive, Groucho Marx was in a crowd with other actors but wasn't wearing his usual props of glasses and mustache. He insulted random people and nearly got the cops called on him. He quickly ran into a bathroom, I think it was, changed into his usual disguise, came back out again into the crowd and insulted the same people that he had before. This time, everyone roared with laughter.

    But, since it was after all, Groucho Marx, I could well understand why he wouldn't have been noticed without wearing his disguise. With or without his props on, he didn't exactly have close up looks so to speak.

    At the height of her popularity, Marilyn Monroe, the Beatles, Elvis, etc could not go anywhere in public without being instantly recognized. Too much has been writtten on this. Jean Strassberg clearly exaggerated by an Nth degree. Unlike Jean, Marilyn's livelihood depended on being recognized.

    One story, some yrs ago Richard Gere was in PA for location for some film. First he was getting recognized so he started to wear dark glasses so he wouldn't attract attention. It worked so well when he went out in public that he got ticked off and went back into movie star mode and was more or less recognized. By that time Gere wasn't on the Alist. And he was never as big as Marilyn Monroe as a cultural icon.

  47. “They might do things to women that are worse than catcalling, but this is not their sin.”

    She means like the NFL’s ongoing Domestic Violence problem (e.g. Ray Rice, Ray MacDonald, Gregg Hardy, etc.) where all those white athletes are beating up women. Oh wait a minute, that’s not what Hosin probably meant to say that.

    For the most part, straight white men also tend to be the ones who hire women in the white collar professions. She probably didn’t mean to say that either.

    Notice the Bliss advertising agency who was hired to put the ad together. Wonder if its owned by minorities or if its workers are all non-white?

    Still waiting for the day when the Narrative finally catches on and discovers the “hidden” racism behind the term WHITE collar jobs. Because that clearly implies that only professions of status, high salary, etc are inherently white based.

  48. I learned about this story on a Russian news site. The gist of the Russian comments was “how bad must New York women look if THIS is whom the men there harass?”

    I was working a festival this summer, and this fellow from NYC I was selling a beer to exclaimed to me, “I can’t get over all the beautiful women you have down here!” I agreed- I don’t find women up there very attractive. Too many leztrolls and Williamsburgfrumps. The South has it good here on that score.

  49. Definitely not faked. If it were, they would’ve had more white guys making catcalls.

    However, the woman’s body type definitely plays more to black/Hispanic preferences, so there’s a bias there. If she had been of a type more attractive to white guys…she still would’ve gotten more catcalls from black men.

    Everyone’s noticing the racial angle, but I’m noticing the partisan one: left-wing Democrats in a left-wing city are pigs. Of all the complaints I hear from women in my red state neck of the woods, annoying catcalls aren’t among them.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    However, the woman’s body type definitely plays more to black/Hispanic preferences, so there’s a bias there
     
    Even to entertain the idea that there might be a type that certain groups might be attracted to is, in itself, a form of hatecrime.
  50. @Rapparee
    Do these guys just make a habit of catcalling any woman who looks halfway decent, in hopes that the shotgun approach will result in at least a few phone numbers? I ask this because the woman in the video is reasonably attractive, but couldn't remotely be described as "gorgeous" or a "knockout"- she's just slightly on the good-looking side of average, by the standards of healthy young women. Goodness, what if she had been underwear-model pretty?

    @conan,

    you took the words right out of my mouth…she’s nice, but hot?? come on.

    WTF!

  51. Hey beautiful”…”Good evening”…”Nice!”…”How you doing

    Oh, the humanity!

  52. @Steve Sailer
    "Yeah, like Jean Strassberg was really the one who was turning heads in Flatbush instead of Marilyn."

    Please read more carefully before replying: Marilyn and Jean were out running errands, and neither was getting any attention, because Marilyn wanted to avoid distractions. Eventually, however, Marilyn had the time, so standing on a street corner she quickly changed her body language and affect into being the most famous woman in the world and within a couple of minutes had caused a traffic jam.

    No, this time I did actually read it carefully. Since Marilyn’s not around, and frankly, we only have Jean Strassberg’s version. I….have to take it with a large grain of kosher salt.

    Like it or not the best looking women of their era never have a problem turning heads. Its the same way for Hilton and Kim Kardashian right now. She can’t go anywhere in public in the US and not be instantly recognized and certainly will turn heads. But, I’m sure there are some who will rely the same type of story about Kim K as they did about Marilyn.

    I do agree that she probably wasn’t getting the amount of attention that “Marilyn Monroe! GASP, ogle ogle ogle” was used to getting, but she was most likely turning heads. It certainly wasn’t Jean Strassberg, that was turning heads. Never read any place where Jean Strassberg was a great sexual icon. Jean Seaberg, however, wasn’t too bad.

    Actually, this is kind of similar to: During WW2 War Bond drive, Groucho Marx was in a crowd with other actors but wasn’t wearing his usual props of glasses and mustache. He insulted random people and nearly got the cops called on him. He quickly ran into a bathroom, I think it was, changed into his usual disguise, came back out again into the crowd and insulted the same people that he had before. This time, everyone roared with laughter.

    But, since it was after all, Groucho Marx, I could well understand why he wouldn’t have been noticed without wearing his disguise. With or without his props on, he didn’t exactly have close up looks so to speak.

    At the height of her popularity, Marilyn Monroe, the Beatles, Elvis, etc could not go anywhere in public without being instantly recognized. Too much has been writtten on this. Jean Strassberg clearly exaggerated by an Nth degree. Unlike Jean, Marilyn’s livelihood depended on being recognized.

    One story, some yrs ago Richard Gere was in PA for location for some film. First he was getting recognized so he started to wear dark glasses so he wouldn’t attract attention. It worked so well when he went out in public that he got ticked off and went back into movie star mode and was more or less recognized. By that time Gere wasn’t on the Alist. And he was never as big as Marilyn Monroe as a cultural icon.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    "It certainly wasn’t Jean Strassberg, that was turning heads. Never read any place where Jean Strassberg was a great sexual icon"

    There was no Jean Strassberg. You're referring I think to Susan Strasberg, Lee's daughter. Her success was due largely to nepotism but she was very pretty when young.

    http://static.cinemagia.ro/img/db/actor/05/66/25/susan-strasberg-472243l.jpg

    I believe the story.
  53. @Anonymous
    Hanna Rosin takes a different approach. A few days after Palin was announced as the VP candidate, Hanna remarked (a bit testily) on Slate that her husband admitted having dreams about Palin. The secret dread of the blond shiksa. I'll bet she did what she had to do to get his attention back.

    Thank you. The point is made. Like Hosin, like Strassberg.

    If this were Ann Coulter instead of Hannah Rosin we’d hear a humorous little story or something on the sly amounting to, ‘Well, men will be men, after all. If you can’t lick ’em join em, right girls?”

    Coulter would probably join them. Rosin just attempts to shame the men for noticing.

    Because if Brad Pitt or George Clooney came over to Rosin and started chatting her up or smiled at her from a distance, I’m sure she’d be so insulted and just have to write a column about it.

  54. “Straight white men are like beavers, active only on the darkest of nights when we can’t see their nefariousness.”

    Too freaking funny! Steve, you crack me up.

  55. Oh, that reminds me.

    Last yr a friend did some extra work for a detective TV show based in PA. I think its on A&E. It stars Chloe Sevigny. For those few days he wasn’t impressed and said she didn’t turn heads at all. Then I saw what she looked like. If there was a way to avoid attention and not turn heads without even trying then Chloe Sevigny mastered that art. And she was wearing normal clothing. Not sure, but she probably was never on the A list either. Unfortunately, I can understand why.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    In movies, the extra babes who walk by in the background of scenes tend to be much more spectacular looking than the female stars in the foreground. (This is pointed out in Shane Black's "Last Action Hero.) Successful actresses tend to be maybe 98th percentile on up in looks, but they don't need to be 99.99th percentile.

    But they also tend to be in amazing shape. I used to know one of the baseball team moms who was a distinguished television and stage comic character actress who was consistently typecast as a Plain Jane. But, in her mid-40s, she looked like a 25 year old without kids who worked out two hours per day.

  56. @GW
    This post was a homerun for iSteve fans, all the way down to do the beaver reference.

    Beaver reference in a story about catcalls? Where? I missed it.

    A wide-open beaver was a photograph of a woman not wearing underpants, and with her legs far apart, so that the mouth of her vagina could be seen. The expression was first used by news photographers, who often got to see up women’s skirts at accidents and sporting events and from underneath fire escapes and so on. They needed a code word to yell to other newsmen and friendly policemen and firemen and so on, to let them know what could be seen, in case they wanted to see it. The word was this: “Beaver!”

    A beaver was actually a large rodent. It loved water, so it built dams.

    — Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions

  57. We shouldn’t have to put up with this in 2014. It’s time for right-thinking people to demand that the redacted footage be released, so that Rosin, or a commission of her choosing, can re-edit it into a more truthful video.

  58. @Big Bill
    I swear. There's just no pleasing women. Germaine Greer (a hot Australian feminist many decades ago) on getting old and wrinkled:

    The change hurts. Like a person newly released from leg irons the freed woman staggers at first. Though her excessive visibility was anguish, her present invisibility is disorienting. She had not realized how much she depended upon her physical presence, at shop counters, at the garage, on the bus. For the first time in her life she finds that she has to raise her voice or wait endlessly while other people push in front of her.

    She does not remember how bitterly she resented being hunted and harried through the world as a desirable female, does not remember having to take in the most spectacular monuments while walking briskly and keeping her eyes trained purposefully ahead, to avoid being accosted by the men who prowled on either side, does not remember being groped in cathedrals and frightened out of cinemas. She learns to avoid the heavy swing doors that are no longer held open for her, and to avoid places where her new invisibility means she will be trampled and jostled.

    The woman who retains the viewpoint of the young, to whom older people are not only invisible but uninteresting, will manage this transition badly. [Germaine Greer, "The Change", 1991]
     
    Give the chubster in the video ten more years, and she will be wondering why she is invisible to men as well. She will find herself forced to "embrace her inner crone" as Miss Greer was compelled to do.

    She learns to avoid the heavy swing doors that are no longer held open for her

    Ah yes, feminists have certainly been at the forefront of demands that men hold doors open for them.

  59. Check out this hilarious line from Rosin’s article:

    “This is not the first time Bliss has been called out for race blindness.”

    Called out for race blindness! As in, it’s officially evil to be race blind in America today. Sadly, 15 years ago I would have assumed that was a typo, but now I know better. We need to redo all the statues of Lady Justice so that she’s peeking out from under the blindfold.

    • Replies: @Oswald Spengler
    "This is not the first time Bliss has been called out for race blindness.”

    Damned if you do notice race, damned if you don't notice race.

    Under the cultural Marxist dispensation, if you're a straight white male, you are assumed to be an irredeemably vile racist until proven otherwise.
  60. @Wilkey
    Definitely not faked. If it were, they would've had more white guys making catcalls.

    However, the woman's body type definitely plays more to black/Hispanic preferences, so there's a bias there. If she had been of a type more attractive to white guys...she still would've gotten more catcalls from black men.

    Everyone's noticing the racial angle, but I'm noticing the partisan one: left-wing Democrats in a left-wing city are pigs. Of all the complaints I hear from women in my red state neck of the woods, annoying catcalls aren't among them.

    However, the woman’s body type definitely plays more to black/Hispanic preferences, so there’s a bias there

    Even to entertain the idea that there might be a type that certain groups might be attracted to is, in itself, a form of hatecrime.

  61. WhatEvvs [AKA "Cookies"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Walking around the block twice is a tried and true method for upping the hubba-hubba level. Another way is to walk down streets with lots of bars or restaurants or other establishments that the employ men as touts to try to get passerbys to come in.

    Also, women have a lot of control over self-presentation. Jean Strassberg told a story about walking around New York with Marilyn Monroe without anybody noticing. Then Norma Jean giggled, "Watch this," and transformed herself into Marilyn! and was suddenly besieged by fans.

    Back in the early 2000s, when Tom Hanks was the top star in Hollywood, I watched Hanks walk around the densely crowded Los Angeles Auto Show with barely anybody noticing that the guy who passed six inches from them was a huge star. He's a talented actor and he had set his body language and facial expression to "I'm Too Boring to Look At" so he could have a normal person's evening out without being hassled by fans.

    ” corespondent of Heartiste’s on Twitter suggested a more attractive woman might have gotten less attention due to the perception that she would be less amenable to NAM charms.”

    My sentiments exactly.

    “Jean Strassberg” — you mean Susan?

    “but I wonder if they knew they were being photographed and if that played a part.”

    The BF had a GoPro on. He was supposedly not detectable. But I do think that she was behaving in such a way as to invite attention.

    “act New Yorkerish.”

    Except when it comes to movie stars. Then we try to be all cool and pretend that a real movie star doesn’t faze them. There are several Youtube videos of Keanu Reeves on the subway & no one makes a big deal over him (except the photographer). I think that Brad Pitt would cause a stir.

    Anyway, the point is that the woman was trolling for attention, and she got it. I don’t believe they just walked around for 10 hours. Show me the GoPro video time stamps.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It's awkward to pretend to not notice some world famous person who randomly happens to be in your vicinity, but you also want to indicate you are not going to waste their time by fawning all over them. (After all, you want to show some self-respect: this isn't your first rodeo.) My rule for walking past celebrities is a respectful nod and calling them by a formal name, e.g., "Mr. Downey," and then go on about your business.

    Of course, this didn't apply when I ran into Joey Ramone with his mom standing on the corner of 14th Street in 1982, eating ice cream cones: "Wow, oh, man, Joey, I'm your BIGGEST fan!"

  62. WhatEvvs [AKA "Cookies"] says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    No, this time I did actually read it carefully. Since Marilyn's not around, and frankly, we only have Jean Strassberg's version. I....have to take it with a large grain of kosher salt.

    Like it or not the best looking women of their era never have a problem turning heads. Its the same way for Hilton and Kim Kardashian right now. She can't go anywhere in public in the US and not be instantly recognized and certainly will turn heads. But, I'm sure there are some who will rely the same type of story about Kim K as they did about Marilyn.

    I do agree that she probably wasn't getting the amount of attention that "Marilyn Monroe! GASP, ogle ogle ogle" was used to getting, but she was most likely turning heads. It certainly wasn't Jean Strassberg, that was turning heads. Never read any place where Jean Strassberg was a great sexual icon. Jean Seaberg, however, wasn't too bad.

    Actually, this is kind of similar to: During WW2 War Bond drive, Groucho Marx was in a crowd with other actors but wasn't wearing his usual props of glasses and mustache. He insulted random people and nearly got the cops called on him. He quickly ran into a bathroom, I think it was, changed into his usual disguise, came back out again into the crowd and insulted the same people that he had before. This time, everyone roared with laughter.

    But, since it was after all, Groucho Marx, I could well understand why he wouldn't have been noticed without wearing his disguise. With or without his props on, he didn't exactly have close up looks so to speak.

    At the height of her popularity, Marilyn Monroe, the Beatles, Elvis, etc could not go anywhere in public without being instantly recognized. Too much has been writtten on this. Jean Strassberg clearly exaggerated by an Nth degree. Unlike Jean, Marilyn's livelihood depended on being recognized.

    One story, some yrs ago Richard Gere was in PA for location for some film. First he was getting recognized so he started to wear dark glasses so he wouldn't attract attention. It worked so well when he went out in public that he got ticked off and went back into movie star mode and was more or less recognized. By that time Gere wasn't on the Alist. And he was never as big as Marilyn Monroe as a cultural icon.

    “It certainly wasn’t Jean Strassberg, that was turning heads. Never read any place where Jean Strassberg was a great sexual icon”

    There was no Jean Strassberg. You’re referring I think to Susan Strasberg, Lee’s daughter. Her success was due largely to nepotism but she was very pretty when young.

    I believe the story.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Well, I don't. This tends to be typical of NYers and East Coasters in general. Its related after Marilyn's death and no way to confirm it. Also, it tends to put the younger Strassberg in a better light by default. Also, it's Hollywood, home to the million or so tall tales, exaggerations, etc. It makes for a good story, nothing more and it can't be verified either way.

    Yeah, Susan Strassberg. And she was no Christie Brinkley and certainly not in Marilyn's league, come on. Few were in Marilyn's league during her life and certainly not Susan Strassberg, else she'd be remembered today the way Marilyn is.

    It would be as if you suggested that no one would tend to notice Jayne Mansfield out in public. She was one of Marilyn's main competitors for turning heads in late 50's early 60's. Funny how we don't tend to rate Mansfield as highly as Marilyn today because Jayne was just as pretty if not better stacked. Maybe cause Jayne didn't have as good an agent to get her the right kind of publicity that Marilyn got. Jayne was just as pretty but nowhere near as iconically recalled today as Marilyn Monroe.

    Instead of hooking up with icon Joe DiMaggio, Jayne hooked up with Mickey Hargitay. That was her problem. She should've tried for Mickey Mantle instead.

  63. [Fox News] didn’t even notice the racial angle.

    They notice it, no doubt, it’s just that they won’t acknowledge it. The same way Lou Dobbs would show a video of blacks rampaging through a mall and afterward shake his head and say, “What is it with these kids today?”

    Because if Brad Pitt or George Clooney came over to Rosin and started chatting her up or smiled at her from a distance, I’m sure she’d be so insulted and just have to write a column about it.

    Sure she would. Don’t you remember the feminist who wrote a column a few years ago about how Ryan Gosling put his arm out to keep her from stepping in front of an approaching cab in NYC? She decided she had been patronized.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    Don’t you remember the feminist who wrote a column a few years ago about how Ryan Gosling put his arm out to keep her from stepping in front of an approaching cab in NYC? She decided she had been patronized.
     
    Laurie Penny

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Penny

    Arrogant, entitled SJW (and Tribe as well!)
  64. @MC
    Check out this hilarious line from Rosin's article:

    "This is not the first time Bliss has been called out for race blindness."

    Called out for race blindness! As in, it's officially evil to be race blind in America today. Sadly, 15 years ago I would have assumed that was a typo, but now I know better. We need to redo all the statues of Lady Justice so that she's peeking out from under the blindfold.

    “This is not the first time Bliss has been called out for race blindness.”

    Damned if you do notice race, damned if you don’t notice race.

    Under the cultural Marxist dispensation, if you’re a straight white male, you are assumed to be an irredeemably vile racist until proven otherwise.

  65. I am looking forward to the self justifying yoga pose struck by the Slate fembot who posted the original video (usually Slate fembots are named Amanda for some reason). Bet it goes something like this:

    “I am simply committed to the truth that American men treat women horribly. Since most American men are Caucasian, it is necessary to infer that White Americans Men are the worst people on the planet. Anyone who thinks there is a hole in that logic must be a racist. Anyone who thinks ‘evidence’ would be helpful to support this logic is a racist and a sexist.”

  66. I saw this posted on Facebook and my first reaction was, “wow, that’s about 90% black guys or dark-skinned Hispanics.” Funny that it ended up on iSteve.

    The two white guys in the video are at night around the Times Square area. One says “Have a nice night” and the other says “Nice,” both without stopping. This is also where the Port Authority is, so those guys may very well be headed home to NJ after a few beers.

    A plurality, if not a majority, of the shots are on 125th st, the main thoroughfare of Harlem. I agree with some of the other commenters that her body type would attract blacks/Hispanics more than white men. However, I had a girlfriend who was a blonde distance runner (so obviously slender) whose runs used to take her near dodgier minority neighborhoods. She said she would get catcalled constantly. One particular story I remember: a guy said “Mmm, I love white girls,” as she passed. She normally didn’t reply, but this time – without slowing down her stride – she called back, “Too bad they don’t like you.” Gotta love those conservative, small town girls.

    One of my friends is a black girl who’s probably in the 98th – 99th percentile for attractiveness in black girls (her college boyfriend was drafted into the NFL.) She says if she’s walking alone, more than half of black guys will attempt something, usually a noise of some sort rather than an out and out statement – think of the noise someone makes after they take a bite of something really tasty or after a masseuse hits just the right spot. They truly have no shame.

    White guys, in her experience, on the relatively rare occasions that they try something, will usually do so by trying something nice (Roissy would call it “white knighting”.) Holding the door, offering to help carry something, telling a douchebag to leave her alone, etc.

  67. @WhatEvvs
    " corespondent of Heartiste’s on Twitter suggested a more attractive woman might have gotten less attention due to the perception that she would be less amenable to NAM charms."

    My sentiments exactly.

    "Jean Strassberg" -- you mean Susan?

    “but I wonder if they knew they were being photographed and if that played a part.”

    The BF had a GoPro on. He was supposedly not detectable. But I do think that she was behaving in such a way as to invite attention.

    "act New Yorkerish."

    Except when it comes to movie stars. Then we try to be all cool and pretend that a real movie star doesn't faze them. There are several Youtube videos of Keanu Reeves on the subway & no one makes a big deal over him (except the photographer). I think that Brad Pitt would cause a stir.

    Anyway, the point is that the woman was trolling for attention, and she got it. I don't believe they just walked around for 10 hours. Show me the GoPro video time stamps.

    It’s awkward to pretend to not notice some world famous person who randomly happens to be in your vicinity, but you also want to indicate you are not going to waste their time by fawning all over them. (After all, you want to show some self-respect: this isn’t your first rodeo.) My rule for walking past celebrities is a respectful nod and calling them by a formal name, e.g., “Mr. Downey,” and then go on about your business.

    Of course, this didn’t apply when I ran into Joey Ramone with his mom standing on the corner of 14th Street in 1982, eating ice cream cones: “Wow, oh, man, Joey, I’m your BIGGEST fan!”

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce

    Of course, this didn’t apply when I ran into Joey Ramone with his mom standing on the corner of 14th Street in 1982, eating ice cream cones: “Wow, oh, man, Joey, I’m your BIGGEST fan!”
     
    I ran into Andre Braugher at a gas station just off the JFX in Baltimore on a Saturday in 1995 or '96. I was a huge fan of Homicide: LOTS at the time. I ran into the convenience store grabbed a piece of paper from the newstand and got an autograph. I fawned quite a bit--referring to Homicide and Glory.

    Don't know where that autograph went to.

  68. @Harry Baldwin
    [Fox News] didn’t even notice the racial angle.

    They notice it, no doubt, it's just that they won't acknowledge it. The same way Lou Dobbs would show a video of blacks rampaging through a mall and afterward shake his head and say, "What is it with these kids today?"

    Because if Brad Pitt or George Clooney came over to Rosin and started chatting her up or smiled at her from a distance, I’m sure she’d be so insulted and just have to write a column about it.

    Sure she would. Don't you remember the feminist who wrote a column a few years ago about how Ryan Gosling put his arm out to keep her from stepping in front of an approaching cab in NYC? She decided she had been patronized.

    Don’t you remember the feminist who wrote a column a few years ago about how Ryan Gosling put his arm out to keep her from stepping in front of an approaching cab in NYC? She decided she had been patronized.

    Laurie Penny

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Penny

    Arrogant, entitled SJW (and Tribe as well!)

  69. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Most of these non-white guys have self-esteem that’s way out of line with the reality that they’re a huge amount of nothing. That’s why whites don’t want to live around this multicultural garbage. The humor gets deflated when a white man has to worry about their wife, sister or daughter being confronted with this nonwhite human garbage loitering around on the streets day and night. Safety issues start coming to mind which has a sobering effect. Really, does anyone want to expose their female family members to this crud?

    • Replies: @Oswald Spengler
    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/023101.html

    "Black culture’s fatal flaw: toxic levels of self-esteem combined with manifest incompetence."

  70. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Oh, that reminds me.

    Last yr a friend did some extra work for a detective TV show based in PA. I think its on A&E. It stars Chloe Sevigny. For those few days he wasn't impressed and said she didn't turn heads at all. Then I saw what she looked like. If there was a way to avoid attention and not turn heads without even trying then Chloe Sevigny mastered that art. And she was wearing normal clothing. Not sure, but she probably was never on the A list either. Unfortunately, I can understand why.

    In movies, the extra babes who walk by in the background of scenes tend to be much more spectacular looking than the female stars in the foreground. (This is pointed out in Shane Black’s “Last Action Hero.) Successful actresses tend to be maybe 98th percentile on up in looks, but they don’t need to be 99.99th percentile.

    But they also tend to be in amazing shape. I used to know one of the baseball team moms who was a distinguished television and stage comic character actress who was consistently typecast as a Plain Jane. But, in her mid-40s, she looked like a 25 year old without kids who worked out two hours per day.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Right. But you would tend to hope that an actress is in the top 98 percentile who has her own show on cable TV. This Chloe Sevigny whom I'm not familiar with certainly wouldn't be ranked that high up the scale. Maybe top 90 percentile. And for Hollywood, "only" being in the top 90 percentile is probably akin to the bottom 50 percentile in everyday land.

    Well, it is southern LA, home to the modern fitness and looks craze. In that, the US could take some valuable lessons on how to pay more attention to their overall appearance. As she had steady work for a long while she had an extra incentive to maintain her overall appearance.

    I like that, actually. Someone like Marilyn Monroe probably wouldn't turn as many heads today because she'd be considered too voluptuous and not in great shape by today's standards.

    Raquel Welch, however, is an entirely different matter.

    , @The Snitch
    "In movies, the extra babes who walk by in the background of scenes tend to be much more spectacular looking than the female stars in the foreground. "

    The extra babes don't have to do anything but look good, but female stars must have some semblance of acting ability. They don't have to be at the Olivier level, but they have to be able to recite dialogue without sounding like a 3rd grader struggling to read aloud in front of the class. Many people can't even do that much.

    Really, really good-looking women tend not to be especially competent people, and they often can't be trusted to carry off any task more complex than putting on a bikini. My experience with the MAW (Model/Actress/Whatever) types tells me that they're not terribly driven people, either. Going to acting class? That sounds too much like work.

    I once had an actress neighbor who was amazingly cute, but also so amazingly stupid that there's no wonder why she never did much more than just stand around in the background.
  71. @WhatEvvs
    "It certainly wasn’t Jean Strassberg, that was turning heads. Never read any place where Jean Strassberg was a great sexual icon"

    There was no Jean Strassberg. You're referring I think to Susan Strasberg, Lee's daughter. Her success was due largely to nepotism but she was very pretty when young.

    http://static.cinemagia.ro/img/db/actor/05/66/25/susan-strasberg-472243l.jpg

    I believe the story.

    Well, I don’t. This tends to be typical of NYers and East Coasters in general. Its related after Marilyn’s death and no way to confirm it. Also, it tends to put the younger Strassberg in a better light by default. Also, it’s Hollywood, home to the million or so tall tales, exaggerations, etc. It makes for a good story, nothing more and it can’t be verified either way.

    Yeah, Susan Strassberg. And she was no Christie Brinkley and certainly not in Marilyn’s league, come on. Few were in Marilyn’s league during her life and certainly not Susan Strassberg, else she’d be remembered today the way Marilyn is.

    It would be as if you suggested that no one would tend to notice Jayne Mansfield out in public. She was one of Marilyn’s main competitors for turning heads in late 50’s early 60’s. Funny how we don’t tend to rate Mansfield as highly as Marilyn today because Jayne was just as pretty if not better stacked. Maybe cause Jayne didn’t have as good an agent to get her the right kind of publicity that Marilyn got. Jayne was just as pretty but nowhere near as iconically recalled today as Marilyn Monroe.

    Instead of hooking up with icon Joe DiMaggio, Jayne hooked up with Mickey Hargitay. That was her problem. She should’ve tried for Mickey Mantle instead.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    "Also, it tends to put the younger Strassberg in a better light by default. Also, it’s Hollywood, home to the million or so tall tales, exaggerations, etc. It makes for a good story, nothing more and it can’t be verified either way.

    Yeah, Susan Strassberg. And she was no Christie Brinkley and certainly not in Marilyn’s league, come on. Few were in Marilyn’s league during her life and certainly not Susan Strassberg, else she’d be remembered today the way Marilyn is"

    I just hope we'll get several thousand more words on whether you do or don't believe the Marilyn Monroe/Strassberg, Steven Strasburg story.
  72. @Steve Sailer
    In movies, the extra babes who walk by in the background of scenes tend to be much more spectacular looking than the female stars in the foreground. (This is pointed out in Shane Black's "Last Action Hero.) Successful actresses tend to be maybe 98th percentile on up in looks, but they don't need to be 99.99th percentile.

    But they also tend to be in amazing shape. I used to know one of the baseball team moms who was a distinguished television and stage comic character actress who was consistently typecast as a Plain Jane. But, in her mid-40s, she looked like a 25 year old without kids who worked out two hours per day.

    Right. But you would tend to hope that an actress is in the top 98 percentile who has her own show on cable TV. This Chloe Sevigny whom I’m not familiar with certainly wouldn’t be ranked that high up the scale. Maybe top 90 percentile. And for Hollywood, “only” being in the top 90 percentile is probably akin to the bottom 50 percentile in everyday land.

    Well, it is southern LA, home to the modern fitness and looks craze. In that, the US could take some valuable lessons on how to pay more attention to their overall appearance. As she had steady work for a long while she had an extra incentive to maintain her overall appearance.

    I like that, actually. Someone like Marilyn Monroe probably wouldn’t turn as many heads today because she’d be considered too voluptuous and not in great shape by today’s standards.

    Raquel Welch, however, is an entirely different matter.

  73. Typical NYC, feminazi agit-prop written by a ugly and bitter import and of course NYC is the center of the world for these people. What a joke.

    Fred Reed in his numerous columns have exposed these brittle and mentally rickety creatures as something to be avoided the same way one avoids a pit viper or rabid pit bull.

    The closet they will ever get to a relationship will be with certain vegetables and their pet cat.

  74. @JerryC
    "She looks like the Nuyorican type that NYC blacks and Latinos are into."

    Jenny from the block?

    What are you on about? That’s a nice jewish girl if I ever saw one.

  75. “Someone like Marilyn Monroe probably wouldn’t turn as many heads today because she’d be considered too voluptuous and not in great shape by today’s standards.”

    Can I go live where you live? Because this is insanity. Even slate has pointed out how small Monroe was.

    • Replies: @map
    Marilyn Monroe had a 22-24 inch waist.
  76. @anonymous
    Most of these non-white guys have self-esteem that's way out of line with the reality that they're a huge amount of nothing. That's why whites don't want to live around this multicultural garbage. The humor gets deflated when a white man has to worry about their wife, sister or daughter being confronted with this nonwhite human garbage loitering around on the streets day and night. Safety issues start coming to mind which has a sobering effect. Really, does anyone want to expose their female family members to this crud?

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/023101.html

    “Black culture’s fatal flaw: toxic levels of self-esteem combined with manifest incompetence.”

  77. #39- Jason D.

    I remember the event you’re talking about. It happened circa 1999- 2001. It wasn’t German tourists though, it was a French woman on her honeymoon in NYC who was grabbed, stripped, and digitally penetrated after the Puerto Rico Day parade.

    As for catcalling itself, not to sound naive, but it actually happens? I live in and was raised in the rural Midwest. Sure if you watch movies set in NYC or Chicago they’ll show construction workers/male passers-by catcalling attractive women, but for real?

    • Replies: @Officious intermeddler
    I imagine this is what you are both referring to:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_Day_Parade_attacks

    Actually, the article conflates two completely separate groups of events that happened during that parade:

    1. A few attacks on women by thugs, many of whom were arrested and convicted.

    2. A lot of instances where rich white women party poopers made a big fuss about "groups of men using water guns and other vessels to splash attendants indiscriminately as well as men shouting lewd insults at passing women," which is the whole point of the parade for many men and women who attend it. Skimpy dress for women, shirtless for men, water guns and wet t-shirts, lewd remarks, dirty dancing and fondling, maybe getting laid. The news stories always talk about "showing pride" and the pictures in the newspapers and on TV always show lots of flags and politicians giving speeches. But most people go to the parade to have fun, including lewd sexual fun for young people. White women who are too oblivious to understand what they're seeing, who consider lewd compliments to be insults, or who otherwise don't want to participate -- these women shouldn't go.

    A picture of young PR women at the parade enjoying lewd comments and hoping to get wet:

    http://www.ericamcdonaldphoto.com/#/along-the-way/singles-in-color/prcar

    , @V Vega

    I remember the event you’re talking about. It happened circa 1999- 2001. It wasn’t German tourists though, it was a French woman on her honeymoon in NYC who was grabbed, stripped, and digitally penetrated after the Puerto Rico Day parade.
     
    Here's how it went down...

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_Day_Parade_attacks

    On a side note, when I worked in NYC, a blonde girl worked with me, she was 17, and her body was absolutely smokin'! She occasionally wore skin tight miniskirts. I've never seen anybody who could wear a miniskirt like her. Flawless. we'd go walking to the subway after work, and she got plenty of attention, and she just took it in stride. Guys would yell "hi, baby," or whatever, and she'd just smile and wave, like she was running for office or something. She wasn't vain at all. Just a happygolucky kinda gal. Everyone on the street was her friend, as far as she was concerned, unless you did something obnoxious. Then she might tell you to go fuck yourself. Anyway, she did this for years, took the subway by herself to Brooklyn, and nothing bad ever happened to her. Never complained about guys calling out to her. Couldn't care less one way or the other.
    I think the gal in the video transmits weakness. That just doesn't work in NYC. You gotta roll with it. Acting scared or dismissive invites challenges, whether you're male or female.
  78. Has it gotten so bad that the only “power structure” left for a Manhattan Jewish woman to distinguish herself by fighting is a group of NAM vagrants with the tiniest peppering of white proles? I guess once you’ve dominated finance, academics, politics, the professions and every other position of status, the pickings are slim.

  79. What about the Asian harassers?

  80. PC teaches people to expect worst from whites and best from blacks.

    Social dissonance is difficult to handle for the PC enforcers. Reality won’t conform to their projections.

  81. This type of behavior is very common for black males.

    Down here in Atlanta my girlfriend has been “accosted” on several occasions by carloads of males who pull up next to her so close that she can’t even open the driver’s side door to get back in her vehicle. Black males every time.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "Black males every time."

    Especially because they know white guys are too afraid to do anything about it.

    Gran Torino.
  82. It’s only “harassment” when the woman doesn’t find the guy attractive.

  83. Aren’t the only white men left in Manhattan either

    a) rich and powerful, and have someone(s) more attractive to go home to, or

    b) aiming their catcalls at targets decidedly less female?

  84. @gig
    Did the guy in the purple pimp suit offer her a thousand dollars?

    Did the guy in the purple pimp suit offer her a thousand dollars?

    Nah, he offered her $20.

  85. @A concerned citizen
    https://www.change.org/p/hollaback-release-the-redacted-video-footage-of-white-men-harassing-shoshana-roberts

    edit: “redacted” -> “suppressed”

  86. This woman, a lady who shares Shoshana’s historically aggrieved, oppressed ethnicity doesn’t seem to find her secondary sexual characteristics so burdensome.

  87. I have noticed that black men seem to do this far more to black women/girls. I have also noticed that black women are much more likely to smile back or engage the male in conversation.

    In other words, to turn things around in a semi-serious PC way, the real insensitivity is criticizing these black men for behaving in what is an appropriate manner in their culture.

    Aren’t we supposed to celebrate our differences?

  88. Pretty average looking, I’d say. She wouldn’t turn heads in Italy.

    Nor in DC.

    NYNY has got to get over itself.

    DC simply owns the government/military/industrial space. (What else is there?)

    The rest of you Masters of the Universe just drool.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    DC simply owns the government/military/industrial space. (What else is there?)

     

    The Montréal Expos!

    Oh, wait… DC owns them, too…
  89. @Paul Mendez

    Pretty average looking, I’d say. She wouldn’t turn heads in Italy.
     
    Nor in DC.

    NYNY has got to get over itself.

    DC simply owns the government/military/industrial space. (What else is there?)

    The rest of you Masters of the Universe just drool.

    DC simply owns the government/military/industrial space. (What else is there?)

    The Montréal Expos!

    Oh, wait… DC owns them, too…

  90. @Camlost
    This type of behavior is very common for black males.

    Down here in Atlanta my girlfriend has been "accosted" on several occasions by carloads of males who pull up next to her so close that she can't even open the driver's side door to get back in her vehicle. Black males every time.

    “Black males every time.”

    Especially because they know white guys are too afraid to do anything about it.

    Gran Torino.

  91. Everybody here keeps saying the woman looks “Puerto Rican”, but according to the article the woman is suppose to be White. Obviously by her appearance she is not an Anglo Saxon Protestant, I am betting she is either an exotic looking Southern European or MENA so I guess technically she would be “White” according to the U.S. census.

    She would have her Whiteness questioned in a flyover state like Iowa or Minnesota which is full of Scandinavian and German descendent blondes. But in New York City she looks White enough by Big Apple standards. I have seen New York Jewish broads with dark curly hair like hers as well as New York Italian/Sicilian broads with dark curly hair like hers. And of course New York Arab broads with dark curly hair like hers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Dude, she's clearly jewish in looks. Isn't the name Shoshana a dead giveaway as well?
  92. @Steve Sailer
    In movies, the extra babes who walk by in the background of scenes tend to be much more spectacular looking than the female stars in the foreground. (This is pointed out in Shane Black's "Last Action Hero.) Successful actresses tend to be maybe 98th percentile on up in looks, but they don't need to be 99.99th percentile.

    But they also tend to be in amazing shape. I used to know one of the baseball team moms who was a distinguished television and stage comic character actress who was consistently typecast as a Plain Jane. But, in her mid-40s, she looked like a 25 year old without kids who worked out two hours per day.

    “In movies, the extra babes who walk by in the background of scenes tend to be much more spectacular looking than the female stars in the foreground. ”

    The extra babes don’t have to do anything but look good, but female stars must have some semblance of acting ability. They don’t have to be at the Olivier level, but they have to be able to recite dialogue without sounding like a 3rd grader struggling to read aloud in front of the class. Many people can’t even do that much.

    Really, really good-looking women tend not to be especially competent people, and they often can’t be trusted to carry off any task more complex than putting on a bikini. My experience with the MAW (Model/Actress/Whatever) types tells me that they’re not terribly driven people, either. Going to acting class? That sounds too much like work.

    I once had an actress neighbor who was amazingly cute, but also so amazingly stupid that there’s no wonder why she never did much more than just stand around in the background.

  93. @Steve Sailer
    It's awkward to pretend to not notice some world famous person who randomly happens to be in your vicinity, but you also want to indicate you are not going to waste their time by fawning all over them. (After all, you want to show some self-respect: this isn't your first rodeo.) My rule for walking past celebrities is a respectful nod and calling them by a formal name, e.g., "Mr. Downey," and then go on about your business.

    Of course, this didn't apply when I ran into Joey Ramone with his mom standing on the corner of 14th Street in 1982, eating ice cream cones: "Wow, oh, man, Joey, I'm your BIGGEST fan!"

    Of course, this didn’t apply when I ran into Joey Ramone with his mom standing on the corner of 14th Street in 1982, eating ice cream cones: “Wow, oh, man, Joey, I’m your BIGGEST fan!”

    I ran into Andre Braugher at a gas station just off the JFX in Baltimore on a Saturday in 1995 or ’96. I was a huge fan of Homicide: LOTS at the time. I ran into the convenience store grabbed a piece of paper from the newstand and got an autograph. I fawned quite a bit–referring to Homicide and Glory.

    Don’t know where that autograph went to.

  94. “It’s only “harassment” when the woman doesn’t find the guy attractive.”

    It is also “only harassment” if the guy is seen as a financial loser in the eyes of the woman. The same woman who would be creeped out by a construction worker touching her ass, might respond more positively to a Wall Street stockbroker touching her ass.

  95. I have been to my fare share of night clubs and I have noticed that the group who is least likely to aggressively pursue women are Indian males. A lot of Indian males at night clubs here in the Bay Area just stand in the corner with their drinks or just text all night. Many times they will eye a woman they find attractive, but they hesitate to approach. Indian males at night clubs here in the Bay Area have a reputation for being quite Beta and not going after what they want.

    Their skin color maybe similar to African American males, but they lack the African American male swag. Italian males got way more swag than Indian males despite having much less melanin in our skin compared to theirs.

  96. Don’t worry, ladies. When you hit your 30’s, nobody will be cat-calling you.

  97. @vinny
    "Someone like Marilyn Monroe probably wouldn’t turn as many heads today because she’d be considered too voluptuous and not in great shape by today’s standards."

    Can I go live where you live? Because this is insanity. Even slate has pointed out how small Monroe was.

    Marilyn Monroe had a 22-24 inch waist.

  98. I used to date a Colombian women and I asked her once what she missed the most about her country. Her answer: She missed having men whistle at her and give her compliments in the street the way that men in Colombia would have done. Men in America just ignored her. There’s a word in Spanish, “piropo,” which refers to flirtatious compliments and flattering remarks made by a man to a woman; and the corresponding verb, “piropear,” which means to make such compliments and remarks. She considered American men to be no fun at all, unfriendly and cold, because they didn’t pay any attention to her when she walked by.

    Black men in America do something similar with black women, to the mutual enjoyment of both. Believe it or not, there was briefly a time when white men and women (like the American woman in the famous photograph) did the same. Watch a few old romantic comedies to see for yourself.

    If you pay attention, almost every man in this video is either saying something perfectly polite and innocuous (“good morning”) or complimenting her appearance (“hey beautiful”). They receive in return only grim looks and stony silence. A few of the men then make additional comments to try to move her to a friendlier response, although few of them do so in a particularly hostile way.

    Look at the first incident on the tape. She walks past a group of black men. One says, “How you doing today?” He is expecting to receive a smile and a pleasant word in response. She ignores him. The other men then react: “Smile.” “I guess not good.” “Smile” again. These are not the responses of men who are aggressively harassing a woman. They are the responses of men who think they are faced with a woman in a bad mood who has received a courteous pleasantry without giving a smile or hello in return.

    The next few comments that this woman is angry about: “What’s up beautiful?” “Have a nice day.” “What’s up girl?” “How are you doing?” Again, she ignores them all. Listen to the offended response that she gets from one of the men: “Somebody is acknowledging you for being beautiful. You should say thank you more.” Again, this is not something that a harasser says. He is a man who thinks he has said something nice and is expecting the response that a woman of his own culture would give. He thinks he has been treated rudely.

    The next string of ostensibly harassing remarks: “God bless you mami.” “Damn!” (Meaning she looks good.) “Hey baby.” “Hey beautiful.” “How are you this morning?” “Have a nice evening.” “Nice!” (Again complimenting her appearance.)

    The video goes on and on like that. Nobody is saying, “Let’s fuck” or “Suck my cock, bitch,” although you might think so from the hysteria with which this video has been received. Instead, cheerful men are making remarks that would be welcomed by women in their own culture. They are puzzled and sometimes offended by the nasty white woman.

    Look at the only two instances that the video shows of behavior that goes beyond that. First, let’s break down the scene where the guy walked silently alongside her. He begins by saying, “Hello.” She ignores him. He then says, “Good morning,” because he thinks she did not hear him. She ignores him again and keeps walking. Now it’s dawning on him that she’s deliberately ignoring him. He says, “God bless you,” a remark that he thinks cannot fail to evoke a polite thank you. Followed by a resigned-sounding, “Have a good day, alright.” There is a cut — the video is edited to delete what happened next — and then we see him walking beside her. What was he thinking? My guess is that he got pissed off that she had completely ignored his four perfectly polite greetings and that he was determined to walk with her until she acknowledged his existence. There’s also a non-zero chance that the deleted part of the video would have shown us some additional rudeness on her part that further provoked him. Of course, he shouldn’t have done what he did. To explain his conduct is not to excuse it. But she was never in any danger from him on the busy streets where she was walking with her cameraman. She was actually rejoicing that she had finally found some good material for her video.

    Second is the young guy who kept talking while he walked beside her. Obnoxious if she doesn’t like that kind of thing. But again, she’s in no danger, and unlike the silent guy, this guy’s behavior isn’t hard to understand. He’s trying to get a rise out of her because she’s ignoring him. She could have gotten rid of him, if she had wanted to, by telling him to go away.

    But in ten hours, those two men are the only ones whose behavior would be considered out of bounds in their own culture. Actually, maybe only the first guy, because his behavior was weird and a little creepy. Some women would consider the second guy a pest (they would tell him to go away) and some would think he was funny and charming (they might joke with him, stop and talk to him or even give him their number). Only if the woman told him to go away and he persisted would his behavior be considered out of bounds.

    The conclusions we can draw from all of this:

    1. The woman in the video doesn’t understand any culture outside her circle of resentful, white, college women and their yes men. She’s never noticed that some women enjoy being complimented by men. Or maybe she has noticed but is contemptuous of women who feel that way.

    2. Even though the white American women of today have a worldwide reputation as shrews and harpies, men outside white America seldom grasp how angry and unpleasant many of them truly are.

    3. If this video is supposed to represent the worst of her 10-hour ordeal, then it’s pretty weak stuff. One annoying borderline stalker. One young chatterbox. (Both of whom she could have gotten rid of with a word.) A few guys who are offended by her rudeness and remark on it. And dozens of guys who say hello and suffer her rudeness in silence.

    • Replies: @casey
    Hilarious parody, intermeddler! at least I hope this comment is not meant to be taken seriously.

    re frequency of incidents, what is shown here is nothing. PG-rated quality of comments is puzzling, I wonder if those were edited to get exposure of the video? Should be a lot more "I'd like to suck your pussy" etc.

    You don't notice it because you are not walking around all day with an attractive woman. And it escalates greatly when a woman is alone.

    It is not pleasant to experience if you are an introvert, can be quite overwhelming or nightmarish at times (walking the gauntlet), and is not analogous to attention at a party, club etc.

    No cat calling on Wall Street.
    , @HandsomeWhiteDevil
    "Black men in America do something similar with black women, to the mutual enjoyment of both. Believe it or not, there was briefly a time when white men and women (like the American woman in the famous photograph) did the same. Watch a few old romantic comedies to see for yourself."

    During WWII Eleanor Roosevelt contrasted the reticence & reserve of British troops with the exuberance & enthusiasm of American soldiers in trying to attract the attentions of the opposite sex.

    She used "Hi angel, what heaven did you drop out of" as a example of a pick-up line that would never, ever occur to a British soldier, but would come freely to an American.

    Times change...
  99. @V Vega
    First, I noticed there was a decent amount of footage shot on 125th street. By my experience black men will tend to be extra bold up there, especially with a fat-azzed Newyorican looking gal, so she kind of rigged the experiment to make "men" look bad. If she headed up Amsterdam north of 96th street, she'd have Puerto Ricans galore filling her every harassment need.

    On the other hand, if she started at the MET, and headed south down 5th avenue, she'd find dramatically less catcalls and offers. Wonder why that might be...

    Second, Hanna directed her readers to another video made by the Daily Show, which she purports to be a better sampling of men that included white people... the video showed minorities doing the cat calling, and only showed pickup shots of white people sitting around doing nothing. I might have missed a white guy catcalling, but whites were certainly in the minority compared to the... minorities.

    Is that how statistics work in your shitteous world, Hanna? If you don't have the qualified number, you just insert unqualified numbers you like and call it good?

    Don't they have any competent editors at Slate that might alert her when she's looking like an idiot?

    This goes for the Daily Show too. Patting themselves on the back while their black "reporter" shows a hot mess of minorities catcalling her, while making no mention that a hot mess of minorities were cat calling her.

    “First, I noticed there was a decent amount of footage shot on 125th street. By my experience black men will tend to be extra bold up there,”

    125th St. in the middle of Harlem is the single most famous black street in America, so it’s asking a little much of extroverted black guys to act like introverted white guys on what is very much their home turf.

  100. @Corn
    #39- Jason D.

    I remember the event you're talking about. It happened circa 1999- 2001. It wasn't German tourists though, it was a French woman on her honeymoon in NYC who was grabbed, stripped, and digitally penetrated after the Puerto Rico Day parade.

    As for catcalling itself, not to sound naive, but it actually happens? I live in and was raised in the rural Midwest. Sure if you watch movies set in NYC or Chicago they'll show construction workers/male passers-by catcalling attractive women, but for real?

    I imagine this is what you are both referring to:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_Day_Parade_attacks

    Actually, the article conflates two completely separate groups of events that happened during that parade:

    1. A few attacks on women by thugs, many of whom were arrested and convicted.

    2. A lot of instances where rich white women party poopers made a big fuss about “groups of men using water guns and other vessels to splash attendants indiscriminately as well as men shouting lewd insults at passing women,” which is the whole point of the parade for many men and women who attend it. Skimpy dress for women, shirtless for men, water guns and wet t-shirts, lewd remarks, dirty dancing and fondling, maybe getting laid. The news stories always talk about “showing pride” and the pictures in the newspapers and on TV always show lots of flags and politicians giving speeches. But most people go to the parade to have fun, including lewd sexual fun for young people. White women who are too oblivious to understand what they’re seeing, who consider lewd compliments to be insults, or who otherwise don’t want to participate — these women shouldn’t go.

    A picture of young PR women at the parade enjoying lewd comments and hoping to get wet:

    http://www.ericamcdonaldphoto.com/#/along-the-way/singles-in-color/prcar

  101. If she would have gone to New York City’s Chinatown, she would not have to worry about getting catcalls from Chinese males on the street because Chinese culture does not promote male swag and male aggressiveness when it comes to pursuing women. Plus she is a White female so most the vast majority of Chinese males would think they have no chance in hell with her so why bother even trying to holla at her.

  102. “A picture of young PR women at the parade enjoying lewd comments and hoping to get wet:

    Puerto Rican Pride parades are full of Hooahs. If as a Heterosexual guy you can not get laid from meeting a woman there, you might as well throw in the towel and give up.

    • Replies: @Officious intermeddler

    If as a Heterosexual guy you can not get laid from meeting a woman there, you might as well throw in the towel and give up
     
    It's not quite that easy. Being good-looking or having a BMW helps a lot.
  103. @Officious intermeddler
    I used to date a Colombian women and I asked her once what she missed the most about her country. Her answer: She missed having men whistle at her and give her compliments in the street the way that men in Colombia would have done. Men in America just ignored her. There's a word in Spanish, "piropo," which refers to flirtatious compliments and flattering remarks made by a man to a woman; and the corresponding verb, "piropear," which means to make such compliments and remarks. She considered American men to be no fun at all, unfriendly and cold, because they didn't pay any attention to her when she walked by.

    Black men in America do something similar with black women, to the mutual enjoyment of both. Believe it or not, there was briefly a time when white men and women (like the American woman in the famous photograph) did the same. Watch a few old romantic comedies to see for yourself.

    If you pay attention, almost every man in this video is either saying something perfectly polite and innocuous ("good morning") or complimenting her appearance ("hey beautiful"). They receive in return only grim looks and stony silence. A few of the men then make additional comments to try to move her to a friendlier response, although few of them do so in a particularly hostile way.

    Look at the first incident on the tape. She walks past a group of black men. One says, "How you doing today?" He is expecting to receive a smile and a pleasant word in response. She ignores him. The other men then react: "Smile." "I guess not good." "Smile" again. These are not the responses of men who are aggressively harassing a woman. They are the responses of men who think they are faced with a woman in a bad mood who has received a courteous pleasantry without giving a smile or hello in return.

    The next few comments that this woman is angry about: "What's up beautiful?" "Have a nice day." "What's up girl?" "How are you doing?" Again, she ignores them all. Listen to the offended response that she gets from one of the men: "Somebody is acknowledging you for being beautiful. You should say thank you more." Again, this is not something that a harasser says. He is a man who thinks he has said something nice and is expecting the response that a woman of his own culture would give. He thinks he has been treated rudely.

    The next string of ostensibly harassing remarks: "God bless you mami." "Damn!" (Meaning she looks good.) "Hey baby." "Hey beautiful." "How are you this morning?" "Have a nice evening." "Nice!" (Again complimenting her appearance.)

    The video goes on and on like that. Nobody is saying, "Let's fuck" or "Suck my cock, bitch," although you might think so from the hysteria with which this video has been received. Instead, cheerful men are making remarks that would be welcomed by women in their own culture. They are puzzled and sometimes offended by the nasty white woman.

    Look at the only two instances that the video shows of behavior that goes beyond that. First, let's break down the scene where the guy walked silently alongside her. He begins by saying, "Hello." She ignores him. He then says, "Good morning," because he thinks she did not hear him. She ignores him again and keeps walking. Now it's dawning on him that she's deliberately ignoring him. He says, "God bless you," a remark that he thinks cannot fail to evoke a polite thank you. Followed by a resigned-sounding, "Have a good day, alright." There is a cut -- the video is edited to delete what happened next -- and then we see him walking beside her. What was he thinking? My guess is that he got pissed off that she had completely ignored his four perfectly polite greetings and that he was determined to walk with her until she acknowledged his existence. There's also a non-zero chance that the deleted part of the video would have shown us some additional rudeness on her part that further provoked him. Of course, he shouldn't have done what he did. To explain his conduct is not to excuse it. But she was never in any danger from him on the busy streets where she was walking with her cameraman. She was actually rejoicing that she had finally found some good material for her video.

    Second is the young guy who kept talking while he walked beside her. Obnoxious if she doesn't like that kind of thing. But again, she's in no danger, and unlike the silent guy, this guy's behavior isn't hard to understand. He's trying to get a rise out of her because she's ignoring him. She could have gotten rid of him, if she had wanted to, by telling him to go away.

    But in ten hours, those two men are the only ones whose behavior would be considered out of bounds in their own culture. Actually, maybe only the first guy, because his behavior was weird and a little creepy. Some women would consider the second guy a pest (they would tell him to go away) and some would think he was funny and charming (they might joke with him, stop and talk to him or even give him their number). Only if the woman told him to go away and he persisted would his behavior be considered out of bounds.

    The conclusions we can draw from all of this:

    1. The woman in the video doesn't understand any culture outside her circle of resentful, white, college women and their yes men. She's never noticed that some women enjoy being complimented by men. Or maybe she has noticed but is contemptuous of women who feel that way.

    2. Even though the white American women of today have a worldwide reputation as shrews and harpies, men outside white America seldom grasp how angry and unpleasant many of them truly are.

    3. If this video is supposed to represent the worst of her 10-hour ordeal, then it's pretty weak stuff. One annoying borderline stalker. One young chatterbox. (Both of whom she could have gotten rid of with a word.) A few guys who are offended by her rudeness and remark on it. And dozens of guys who say hello and suffer her rudeness in silence.

    Hilarious parody, intermeddler! at least I hope this comment is not meant to be taken seriously.

    re frequency of incidents, what is shown here is nothing. PG-rated quality of comments is puzzling, I wonder if those were edited to get exposure of the video? Should be a lot more “I’d like to suck your pussy” etc.

    You don’t notice it because you are not walking around all day with an attractive woman. And it escalates greatly when a woman is alone.

    It is not pleasant to experience if you are an introvert, can be quite overwhelming or nightmarish at times (walking the gauntlet), and is not analogous to attention at a party, club etc.

    No cat calling on Wall Street.

    • Replies: @Officious intermeddler
    I thought I was walking around with an attractive woman all day. I'll tell her that you don't share my opinion.

    She's a little introverted but overall a happy person, so she mostly smiles and keeps walking when strangers say things to her.
  104. @casey
    Hilarious parody, intermeddler! at least I hope this comment is not meant to be taken seriously.

    re frequency of incidents, what is shown here is nothing. PG-rated quality of comments is puzzling, I wonder if those were edited to get exposure of the video? Should be a lot more "I'd like to suck your pussy" etc.

    You don't notice it because you are not walking around all day with an attractive woman. And it escalates greatly when a woman is alone.

    It is not pleasant to experience if you are an introvert, can be quite overwhelming or nightmarish at times (walking the gauntlet), and is not analogous to attention at a party, club etc.

    No cat calling on Wall Street.

    I thought I was walking around with an attractive woman all day. I’ll tell her that you don’t share my opinion.

    She’s a little introverted but overall a happy person, so she mostly smiles and keeps walking when strangers say things to her.

    • Replies: @Officious intermeddler
    Clarification from the attractive, happy woman. She informs me that she has in fact developed an impressive array of sallies for dealing with harassers like those in the video. Here are a few that she recommends to the walking woman:

    "Hi."
    "Hello."
    "Hey there."
    "Thanks."
    "Thank you."
    "God bless you, too."
    "It's a beautiful morning/afternoon/evening/night."
    "It's been great so far. Hope you're having a good day, too."
    "That's sweet of you."
    "You're pretty good looking yourself."
    (smiling)
    (waving)
    (giggling)
    "Sorry, I don't have time to talk today."
    "I have a boyfriend."
    "No."
    These last three may be combined with:
    (looking serious)

  105. @Officious intermeddler
    I used to date a Colombian women and I asked her once what she missed the most about her country. Her answer: She missed having men whistle at her and give her compliments in the street the way that men in Colombia would have done. Men in America just ignored her. There's a word in Spanish, "piropo," which refers to flirtatious compliments and flattering remarks made by a man to a woman; and the corresponding verb, "piropear," which means to make such compliments and remarks. She considered American men to be no fun at all, unfriendly and cold, because they didn't pay any attention to her when she walked by.

    Black men in America do something similar with black women, to the mutual enjoyment of both. Believe it or not, there was briefly a time when white men and women (like the American woman in the famous photograph) did the same. Watch a few old romantic comedies to see for yourself.

    If you pay attention, almost every man in this video is either saying something perfectly polite and innocuous ("good morning") or complimenting her appearance ("hey beautiful"). They receive in return only grim looks and stony silence. A few of the men then make additional comments to try to move her to a friendlier response, although few of them do so in a particularly hostile way.

    Look at the first incident on the tape. She walks past a group of black men. One says, "How you doing today?" He is expecting to receive a smile and a pleasant word in response. She ignores him. The other men then react: "Smile." "I guess not good." "Smile" again. These are not the responses of men who are aggressively harassing a woman. They are the responses of men who think they are faced with a woman in a bad mood who has received a courteous pleasantry without giving a smile or hello in return.

    The next few comments that this woman is angry about: "What's up beautiful?" "Have a nice day." "What's up girl?" "How are you doing?" Again, she ignores them all. Listen to the offended response that she gets from one of the men: "Somebody is acknowledging you for being beautiful. You should say thank you more." Again, this is not something that a harasser says. He is a man who thinks he has said something nice and is expecting the response that a woman of his own culture would give. He thinks he has been treated rudely.

    The next string of ostensibly harassing remarks: "God bless you mami." "Damn!" (Meaning she looks good.) "Hey baby." "Hey beautiful." "How are you this morning?" "Have a nice evening." "Nice!" (Again complimenting her appearance.)

    The video goes on and on like that. Nobody is saying, "Let's fuck" or "Suck my cock, bitch," although you might think so from the hysteria with which this video has been received. Instead, cheerful men are making remarks that would be welcomed by women in their own culture. They are puzzled and sometimes offended by the nasty white woman.

    Look at the only two instances that the video shows of behavior that goes beyond that. First, let's break down the scene where the guy walked silently alongside her. He begins by saying, "Hello." She ignores him. He then says, "Good morning," because he thinks she did not hear him. She ignores him again and keeps walking. Now it's dawning on him that she's deliberately ignoring him. He says, "God bless you," a remark that he thinks cannot fail to evoke a polite thank you. Followed by a resigned-sounding, "Have a good day, alright." There is a cut -- the video is edited to delete what happened next -- and then we see him walking beside her. What was he thinking? My guess is that he got pissed off that she had completely ignored his four perfectly polite greetings and that he was determined to walk with her until she acknowledged his existence. There's also a non-zero chance that the deleted part of the video would have shown us some additional rudeness on her part that further provoked him. Of course, he shouldn't have done what he did. To explain his conduct is not to excuse it. But she was never in any danger from him on the busy streets where she was walking with her cameraman. She was actually rejoicing that she had finally found some good material for her video.

    Second is the young guy who kept talking while he walked beside her. Obnoxious if she doesn't like that kind of thing. But again, she's in no danger, and unlike the silent guy, this guy's behavior isn't hard to understand. He's trying to get a rise out of her because she's ignoring him. She could have gotten rid of him, if she had wanted to, by telling him to go away.

    But in ten hours, those two men are the only ones whose behavior would be considered out of bounds in their own culture. Actually, maybe only the first guy, because his behavior was weird and a little creepy. Some women would consider the second guy a pest (they would tell him to go away) and some would think he was funny and charming (they might joke with him, stop and talk to him or even give him their number). Only if the woman told him to go away and he persisted would his behavior be considered out of bounds.

    The conclusions we can draw from all of this:

    1. The woman in the video doesn't understand any culture outside her circle of resentful, white, college women and their yes men. She's never noticed that some women enjoy being complimented by men. Or maybe she has noticed but is contemptuous of women who feel that way.

    2. Even though the white American women of today have a worldwide reputation as shrews and harpies, men outside white America seldom grasp how angry and unpleasant many of them truly are.

    3. If this video is supposed to represent the worst of her 10-hour ordeal, then it's pretty weak stuff. One annoying borderline stalker. One young chatterbox. (Both of whom she could have gotten rid of with a word.) A few guys who are offended by her rudeness and remark on it. And dozens of guys who say hello and suffer her rudeness in silence.

    “Black men in America do something similar with black women, to the mutual enjoyment of both. Believe it or not, there was briefly a time when white men and women (like the American woman in the famous photograph) did the same. Watch a few old romantic comedies to see for yourself.”

    During WWII Eleanor Roosevelt contrasted the reticence & reserve of British troops with the exuberance & enthusiasm of American soldiers in trying to attract the attentions of the opposite sex.

    She used “Hi angel, what heaven did you drop out of” as a example of a pick-up line that would never, ever occur to a British soldier, but would come freely to an American.

    Times change…

  106. @Jefferson
    "A picture of young PR women at the parade enjoying lewd comments and hoping to get wet:

    Puerto Rican Pride parades are full of Hooahs. If as a Heterosexual guy you can not get laid from meeting a woman there, you might as well throw in the towel and give up.

    If as a Heterosexual guy you can not get laid from meeting a woman there, you might as well throw in the towel and give up

    It’s not quite that easy. Being good-looking or having a BMW helps a lot.

  107. “It’s not quite that easy. Being good-looking or having a BMW helps a lot.”

    Puerto Rican women on average are quite easy. Especially lower working class Puerto Rican women which is the class bracket that most Puerto Rican women in NYC belong to. Most of them care more about how much swag you have than how fat your bank account is. That is why so many Puerto Rican women date broke men and get impregnated by broke men.

    Most Puerto Rican families are not like Jewish families for example which encourage their daughters to date and marry financially successful men.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Jewish families don't have to do much direct encouraging of their daughters. It's in the DNA. Lets be honest. Most cat calls and whistles are largely reserved for WASP women. Christie Brinkley today can still turn heads and she's 60.

    Jennifer Lopez is a prominent exception. She's not from lower working class Puerto Ricans and she appears to very much want a nice fat bank account to go with the total package.

  108. @Corn
    #39- Jason D.

    I remember the event you're talking about. It happened circa 1999- 2001. It wasn't German tourists though, it was a French woman on her honeymoon in NYC who was grabbed, stripped, and digitally penetrated after the Puerto Rico Day parade.

    As for catcalling itself, not to sound naive, but it actually happens? I live in and was raised in the rural Midwest. Sure if you watch movies set in NYC or Chicago they'll show construction workers/male passers-by catcalling attractive women, but for real?

    I remember the event you’re talking about. It happened circa 1999- 2001. It wasn’t German tourists though, it was a French woman on her honeymoon in NYC who was grabbed, stripped, and digitally penetrated after the Puerto Rico Day parade.

    Here’s how it went down…

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_Day_Parade_attacks

    On a side note, when I worked in NYC, a blonde girl worked with me, she was 17, and her body was absolutely smokin’! She occasionally wore skin tight miniskirts. I’ve never seen anybody who could wear a miniskirt like her. Flawless. we’d go walking to the subway after work, and she got plenty of attention, and she just took it in stride. Guys would yell “hi, baby,” or whatever, and she’d just smile and wave, like she was running for office or something. She wasn’t vain at all. Just a happygolucky kinda gal. Everyone on the street was her friend, as far as she was concerned, unless you did something obnoxious. Then she might tell you to go fuck yourself. Anyway, she did this for years, took the subway by herself to Brooklyn, and nothing bad ever happened to her. Never complained about guys calling out to her. Couldn’t care less one way or the other.
    I think the gal in the video transmits weakness. That just doesn’t work in NYC. You gotta roll with it. Acting scared or dismissive invites challenges, whether you’re male or female.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "I think the gal in the video transmits weakness. That just doesn’t work in NYC."

    I spent about 4 weeks in total in Manhattan in 1979-1986 on about 8 trips, and the place just wore me down back then. Now that most of Manhattan looks like one giant set for a romantic comedy, it's a lot easier to spend time in, except that I feel like I'm handing a $20 bill to somebody every 15 minutes.

    , @Sean
    "Flawless. we’d go walking to the subway after work, and she got plenty of attention"

    She wasn't a woman alone and she had a hired gun, you. Rush hour subway for a pretty girl meant there were always too many and varied a crowd for anything bad . It is a very different thing for girls getting into a carriage and finding themselves alone with a black male.

    " French woman on her honeymoon in NYC who was grabbed, stripped, and digitally penetrated after the Puerto Rico Day parade."

    What got that into the news wasn't the French woman, it was some noisy Jewish feminists who were outraged at the lesser things done to them.

    Female tourists are always and everywhere the main victims of sexual assault especially gang sexual assault by nonwhites (is there any other kind). The tourists get caught alone.
  109. @V Vega

    I remember the event you’re talking about. It happened circa 1999- 2001. It wasn’t German tourists though, it was a French woman on her honeymoon in NYC who was grabbed, stripped, and digitally penetrated after the Puerto Rico Day parade.
     
    Here's how it went down...

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_Day_Parade_attacks

    On a side note, when I worked in NYC, a blonde girl worked with me, she was 17, and her body was absolutely smokin'! She occasionally wore skin tight miniskirts. I've never seen anybody who could wear a miniskirt like her. Flawless. we'd go walking to the subway after work, and she got plenty of attention, and she just took it in stride. Guys would yell "hi, baby," or whatever, and she'd just smile and wave, like she was running for office or something. She wasn't vain at all. Just a happygolucky kinda gal. Everyone on the street was her friend, as far as she was concerned, unless you did something obnoxious. Then she might tell you to go fuck yourself. Anyway, she did this for years, took the subway by herself to Brooklyn, and nothing bad ever happened to her. Never complained about guys calling out to her. Couldn't care less one way or the other.
    I think the gal in the video transmits weakness. That just doesn't work in NYC. You gotta roll with it. Acting scared or dismissive invites challenges, whether you're male or female.

    “I think the gal in the video transmits weakness. That just doesn’t work in NYC.”

    I spent about 4 weeks in total in Manhattan in 1979-1986 on about 8 trips, and the place just wore me down back then. Now that most of Manhattan looks like one giant set for a romantic comedy, it’s a lot easier to spend time in, except that I feel like I’m handing a $20 bill to somebody every 15 minutes.

  110. @V Vega

    I remember the event you’re talking about. It happened circa 1999- 2001. It wasn’t German tourists though, it was a French woman on her honeymoon in NYC who was grabbed, stripped, and digitally penetrated after the Puerto Rico Day parade.
     
    Here's how it went down...

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_Day_Parade_attacks

    On a side note, when I worked in NYC, a blonde girl worked with me, she was 17, and her body was absolutely smokin'! She occasionally wore skin tight miniskirts. I've never seen anybody who could wear a miniskirt like her. Flawless. we'd go walking to the subway after work, and she got plenty of attention, and she just took it in stride. Guys would yell "hi, baby," or whatever, and she'd just smile and wave, like she was running for office or something. She wasn't vain at all. Just a happygolucky kinda gal. Everyone on the street was her friend, as far as she was concerned, unless you did something obnoxious. Then she might tell you to go fuck yourself. Anyway, she did this for years, took the subway by herself to Brooklyn, and nothing bad ever happened to her. Never complained about guys calling out to her. Couldn't care less one way or the other.
    I think the gal in the video transmits weakness. That just doesn't work in NYC. You gotta roll with it. Acting scared or dismissive invites challenges, whether you're male or female.

    “Flawless. we’d go walking to the subway after work, and she got plenty of attention”

    She wasn’t a woman alone and she had a hired gun, you. Rush hour subway for a pretty girl meant there were always too many and varied a crowd for anything bad . It is a very different thing for girls getting into a carriage and finding themselves alone with a black male.

    ” French woman on her honeymoon in NYC who was grabbed, stripped, and digitally penetrated after the Puerto Rico Day parade.”

    What got that into the news wasn’t the French woman, it was some noisy Jewish feminists who were outraged at the lesser things done to them.

    Female tourists are always and everywhere the main victims of sexual assault especially gang sexual assault by nonwhites (is there any other kind). The tourists get caught alone.

  111. Thick woman of indeterminate race gets catcalled by minority men in NYC! In other news, water is wet…

    Oswald Spengler, my girlfriend will tell you some stories about working with Jamaican and Haitian nurses and their delusions of competence.

  112. @Rapparee
    Do these guys just make a habit of catcalling any woman who looks halfway decent, in hopes that the shotgun approach will result in at least a few phone numbers? I ask this because the woman in the video is reasonably attractive, but couldn't remotely be described as "gorgeous" or a "knockout"- she's just slightly on the good-looking side of average, by the standards of healthy young women. Goodness, what if she had been underwear-model pretty?

    This is actually the body type that drives black men crazy. If that girl was skinny she probably would have received less harassment. I see this everyday – black men’s heads turning as a big old land whale walks by – the fatter the ass the better.

  113. The only “white” men you will see harassing women on the street in NYC are actually light-skinned Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, some other mystery Hispanic, and maybe a ginzo here and there.

  114. @Mr. Blank
    Yeah, no surprise here. My Boston-born-and-raised wife tells me she regularly got approached by strange men on the street growing up in Boston, and the attention came almost exclusively from lower-class black guys.

    By contrast, she said white men never bothered her, but her Irish and Italian male relatives WERE extremely keen to make sure that the harassment wasn't occurring in "their" neighborhoods — often saying that they were quite ready to round up a bunch of their friends and go have a "talk" with anybody in "their" neighborhoods who behaved that way.

    By contrast, she said white men never bothered her, but her Irish and Italian male relatives WERE extremely keen to make sure that the harassment wasn’t occurring in ‘their’ neighborhoods — often saying that they were quite ready to round up a bunch of their friends and go have a ‘talk’ with anybody in ‘their’ neighborhoods who behaved that way.

    I know a Bostonian woman who said she used to get a lot of catcalls from Italian-American Tony Manero types in the ’70s, but it was always near Faneuil Hall, which is the city’s #1 tourist trap. Presumably tourist women were considered “fair game”, not having any dour Bostonian menfolk to take revenge. Other than that, she said most catcalling in the city was from Hispanics, who were even more aggressive than blacks in that regard.

    I can scarcely imagine catcalling in an Irish neighborhood. Amongst the Sons of Mil, whether Irish-born or Gael-Mheiriceánach, it seems like most men need several shots of whiskey just to work up the courage to smile at a woman from halfway across the room. Hence the saying, “An Irishman is the only man in the world who will step over the bodies of a dozen naked women to get at a bottle of stout“. It’s funny, too, because white women seem to stereotype Irish guys as quite attractive (doubly so if he’s got that dreamy accent).

  115. I’ve taken some long walks, but none ever lasted ten hours. My scout troop hiked the Grand Canyon rim-to-rim. We were on the trail crossing the Colorado River before dawn and came out on the south rim with our packs nine hours later and 4400 feet higher, covering 9-1/2 miles of the Bright Angel Trail. I once walked barefoot from the Santa Monica Pier and the Manhattan Beach Pier, ten miles in the sand plus three miles in sandals detouring around Marina del Rey. That was seven hours on foot, ending with a swim at sunset, and aching feet and thighs. A ten-hour walk though Manhattan would cover at least a dozen miles and would wipe me out.

    So, the video makers may have been on the job ten hours, from start to finish of their working day, but they weren’t walking ten hours, and they don’t have ten hours of footage.

  116. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I actually commend Slate on their identifying the men as black and Latino. Many others in the media have framed them as “men of color”. This particular terminology is used because it casts a much wider net for the coveted victim status. This means you can be Latino or black or the child of upper middle class Asian immigrants and still fall under the “person of color” catchall. Once there, ogling women on the streets or making unwanted advances towards them will be secondary to how you may have been cast in a poor light in a viral YouTube video.

    • Replies: @Lefty Lawyer
    Someday, someone will explain why saying "colored people" is bad, and "people of color" is good.

    In fact, although few may be old enough to remember - the phrase "colored people" to refer to black people went out of vogue because it was considered racist to say that black people are "colored" and that white people were not. The theory was that white is a color, black is a color, and to say that black people are colored and white people are not was viewing things from a white perspective.
  117. Here’s the other thing about that video. By nature, wouldn’t the girl have had to deliberately go slumming, so to speak, in order to “prove” her preconceived theory that most men are verbal cat calling pigs in heat?

    In other words, she probably knew that if she walked down Wall Street or Park Avenue, places where tons of professionally successful white males work and reside she most likely wouldn’t have gotten the desired responses. Therefore, she deliberately had to go slumming into (for her) lower class prole hoods to get the desired responses. Did she really think that Bernie and Morrie were going to be the ones cat calling and whistling at her? Even she knows better.

    Wonder if a minor point of the video was to simply show white males in a bad light aka ‘See? What’d you expect from white privilege. Just a bunch of pigs in heat!’

    Of course, maybe if she’d have walked by Donald Trump she’d have gotten the desired response for the video. But then most viewers would think it was staged.

    David Letterman has a skit with Ruppert, the Asian convenience store owner. Dave could’ve helped out by having Ruppert whistle/cat call at the girl walking down the street.

  118. @Jefferson
    "It’s not quite that easy. Being good-looking or having a BMW helps a lot."

    Puerto Rican women on average are quite easy. Especially lower working class Puerto Rican women which is the class bracket that most Puerto Rican women in NYC belong to. Most of them care more about how much swag you have than how fat your bank account is. That is why so many Puerto Rican women date broke men and get impregnated by broke men.

    Most Puerto Rican families are not like Jewish families for example which encourage their daughters to date and marry financially successful men.

    Jewish families don’t have to do much direct encouraging of their daughters. It’s in the DNA. Lets be honest. Most cat calls and whistles are largely reserved for WASP women. Christie Brinkley today can still turn heads and she’s 60.

    Jennifer Lopez is a prominent exception. She’s not from lower working class Puerto Ricans and she appears to very much want a nice fat bank account to go with the total package.

  119. A liberal SJW organization (Hollaback) makes a video intended to demonize men but instead they are being called “racist” but other liberals.

  120. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The people who are commenting about how she’s not attractive are missing a point. It’s perceived value inside a community. She’s got long hair (that’s a big deal), white skin, and she looks tall for a woman and isn’t obese. That’s the magic combination. It’s good genes calling out and saying she’s a high quality breeder. Woman with that combination of attractive traits are RARE in poor neighborhoods. Poor women are frequently shorter and obese, and their dark skin carries the message: 1) Low IQ, 2) Poor family, thus no money for the boyfriend to play with when she inherits, 3) No job prospects which can improve the boyfriend’s social and financial standing.

    A white women of the lower class, if she has a beat-up but driveable car, a job, a high school diploma, and enough of a work ethic to keep the house clean and cook meals every day, is like gold to black men. This is because the average black woman is on welfare, has no car–often, not even a bicycle–no job prospects and is likely a high school dropout, has no strong work ethic, and is usually hauling around another male’s offpring. Black women have no perceived value in the market as a mate. They’re good for brief sex, but that’s it.

    Black men are notorious for being loose–but some of them can manage to stay faithful in one particular situation, namely if their girlfriend is white. If their girlfriend is black they’ll cheat on her without a second thought because they don’t worry much about losing her.

    If the woman in the video were walking through a white neighborhood, she wouldn’t get much more than a second glance. Her physical traits are more common there, so they don’t stand out as anything unusual.

  121. @Anonymous
    I'm amazed that anyone at Slate et al. even "noticed" (there's that word again) the racial disparity. I figured it'd be just us and /pol/ picking up on it.

    Are you kidding? Racial disparity is what they are keyed-up to notice in every situation.

    They just see it from the other side.

  122. @Officious intermeddler
    I thought I was walking around with an attractive woman all day. I'll tell her that you don't share my opinion.

    She's a little introverted but overall a happy person, so she mostly smiles and keeps walking when strangers say things to her.

    Clarification from the attractive, happy woman. She informs me that she has in fact developed an impressive array of sallies for dealing with harassers like those in the video. Here are a few that she recommends to the walking woman:

    “Hi.”
    “Hello.”
    “Hey there.”
    “Thanks.”
    “Thank you.”
    “God bless you, too.”
    “It’s a beautiful morning/afternoon/evening/night.”
    “It’s been great so far. Hope you’re having a good day, too.”
    “That’s sweet of you.”
    “You’re pretty good looking yourself.”
    (smiling)
    (waving)
    (giggling)
    “Sorry, I don’t have time to talk today.”
    “I have a boyfriend.”
    “No.”
    These last three may be combined with:
    (looking serious)

  123. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Well, I don't. This tends to be typical of NYers and East Coasters in general. Its related after Marilyn's death and no way to confirm it. Also, it tends to put the younger Strassberg in a better light by default. Also, it's Hollywood, home to the million or so tall tales, exaggerations, etc. It makes for a good story, nothing more and it can't be verified either way.

    Yeah, Susan Strassberg. And she was no Christie Brinkley and certainly not in Marilyn's league, come on. Few were in Marilyn's league during her life and certainly not Susan Strassberg, else she'd be remembered today the way Marilyn is.

    It would be as if you suggested that no one would tend to notice Jayne Mansfield out in public. She was one of Marilyn's main competitors for turning heads in late 50's early 60's. Funny how we don't tend to rate Mansfield as highly as Marilyn today because Jayne was just as pretty if not better stacked. Maybe cause Jayne didn't have as good an agent to get her the right kind of publicity that Marilyn got. Jayne was just as pretty but nowhere near as iconically recalled today as Marilyn Monroe.

    Instead of hooking up with icon Joe DiMaggio, Jayne hooked up with Mickey Hargitay. That was her problem. She should've tried for Mickey Mantle instead.

    “Also, it tends to put the younger Strassberg in a better light by default. Also, it’s Hollywood, home to the million or so tall tales, exaggerations, etc. It makes for a good story, nothing more and it can’t be verified either way.

    Yeah, Susan Strassberg. And she was no Christie Brinkley and certainly not in Marilyn’s league, come on. Few were in Marilyn’s league during her life and certainly not Susan Strassberg, else she’d be remembered today the way Marilyn is”

    I just hope we’ll get several thousand more words on whether you do or don’t believe the Marilyn Monroe/Strassberg, Steven Strasburg story.

  124. @Anonymous
    I actually commend Slate on their identifying the men as black and Latino. Many others in the media have framed them as "men of color". This particular terminology is used because it casts a much wider net for the coveted victim status. This means you can be Latino or black or the child of upper middle class Asian immigrants and still fall under the "person of color" catchall. Once there, ogling women on the streets or making unwanted advances towards them will be secondary to how you may have been cast in a poor light in a viral YouTube video.

    Someday, someone will explain why saying “colored people” is bad, and “people of color” is good.

    In fact, although few may be old enough to remember – the phrase “colored people” to refer to black people went out of vogue because it was considered racist to say that black people are “colored” and that white people were not. The theory was that white is a color, black is a color, and to say that black people are colored and white people are not was viewing things from a white perspective.

  125. @Rapparee
    Do these guys just make a habit of catcalling any woman who looks halfway decent, in hopes that the shotgun approach will result in at least a few phone numbers? I ask this because the woman in the video is reasonably attractive, but couldn't remotely be described as "gorgeous" or a "knockout"- she's just slightly on the good-looking side of average, by the standards of healthy young women. Goodness, what if she had been underwear-model pretty?

    “Do these guys just make a habit of catcalling any woman who looks halfway decent, in hopes that the shotgun approach will result in at least a few phone numbers? I ask this because the woman in the video is reasonably attractive, but couldn’t remotely be described as “gorgeous” or a “knockout”- she’s just slightly on the good-looking side of average, by the standards of healthy young women. Goodness, what if she had been underwear-model pretty?”

    Not everyone regards bone-thin-with-yellow-hair as the apex of female beauty. Most of the right-wing knucklehads I associate with, share in my opinion that this is one sultry Jewess. Its great that you don’t agree, but its amusing the way you seem to conflate your personal tastes with some kind of objective standard of beauty. Lots of men like women who look like this…as demonstrated by the video.

  126. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Unintentional fact the liberals messed this one up the truth hurts but now its turning on them now they are the racists. Maybe she should have crossed the street when she saw a black man? Oh no then she would be considered a racist. Liberals wake up you are on the wrong path .

  127. @Anonymous
    That ethnic Nuyorican-ish look tends to be very popular among NYC blacks and Latins, more than among other demographics.

    But yes, catcalling and approaching as many women as possible is the general strategy. And it's mainly what the whole "Game" scene and advice boils down to.

    “approaching as many women as possible is the general strategy. And it’s mainly what the whole “Game” scene and advice boils down to.”

    I think most white men have an algorithm that tends to read the runes of a female’s behaviour as ‘she wants me’ even if they don’t follow though on the feeling. Blacks are by nature primed to make the approach.

  128. @Jefferson
    Everybody here keeps saying the woman looks "Puerto Rican", but according to the article the woman is suppose to be White. Obviously by her appearance she is not an Anglo Saxon Protestant, I am betting she is either an exotic looking Southern European or MENA so I guess technically she would be "White" according to the U.S. census.

    She would have her Whiteness questioned in a flyover state like Iowa or Minnesota which is full of Scandinavian and German descendent blondes. But in New York City she looks White enough by Big Apple standards. I have seen New York Jewish broads with dark curly hair like hers as well as New York Italian/Sicilian broads with dark curly hair like hers. And of course New York Arab broads with dark curly hair like hers.

    Dude, she’s clearly jewish in looks. Isn’t the name Shoshana a dead giveaway as well?

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