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Which one of these two-similar looking gentlemen who are both big deals in New York looks gay?

Not Mousse, who has straight-face.

 
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  1. 1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Cleve Meteen

    So you admit you're gay ?

    , @Mulegino1
    @Cleve Meteen

    @discrimtaoryhousgin

    21. Progressives may even learn how to spell.

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Cleve Meteen

    Sorry, Tiny, but 19 is US-Russia nuclear war.

    , @Cato
    @Cleve Meteen

    You forgot #21: A dossier has been created for everyone who posts on Unz (except Tiny Duck, who is on the side of the winners).

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Cleve Meteen

    Okay. I give up. Are you TD or Corvinus?

    Replies: @anon, @Bard of Bumperstickers

    , @Alfa158
    @Cleve Meteen

    I wonder why Duck takes the trouble to keep changing his pseudonym. It doesn’t make him any funnier. And, he still inserts his trademark irony, misspellings and typos so you can always tell it’s the same commenter anyway.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Anon 2
    @Cleve Meteen

    Being “progressive” is not going to help you when Americans
    like you are becoming a target of ridicule around the world. People
    always laugh at countries or individuals that fail. Cruelty is
    one of the defining characteristics of the predatory primates
    (“smart chimps”), sometimes referred to as human beings

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Cleve Meteen


    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished
     
    Discrimtaory?

    Isn't that the kind of artwork that sailors made out of whalebone?

    Housgin?

    You mean like Aristocrat - which you apparently drink for breakfast?

    By all means, it should be abolished. Vile stuff. Beefeater or Gordons are the only proper gins.
    , @Colin Wright
    @Cleve Meteen

    '11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table..'

    We're talking 1880, right?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    , @kaganovitch
    @Cleve Meteen

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    As long as bathtub gin is still permitted....

    , @tyrone
    @Cleve Meteen

    "18. russia will be dealt with"…..Ya think any day now China might tell their boy Biden they have a secret mutual defense treaty with Russia……..prolly not. Tsar bomba is what is known as a finishing move.

    , @Richard B
    @Cleve Meteen

    Actually, I like this list.

    Tells you everything you need to know. It makes clear as day the kind of thinking involved. Though, perhaps a better word than thinking would be clueless. After all, you can't get more clueless than gloating over a Pyrrhic Victory.

    The habit of mind used to acquire power through infiltration and subversion has nothing to do with the habit of mind necessary for managing the social institutions that power controls.

    The more complex and unpredictable a civilization is the easier to infiltrate and subvert, but the harder it is to control.

    Dang! It's a bad time to be in power!

    , @MEH 0910
    @Cleve Meteen

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1331325866224340995

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    , @Cloudbuster
    @Cleve Meteen

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    That will be a sad day for house gin. At least, I'm going to assume that's what you meant, and that Discrimtaory is some off brand gin I haven't heard of.

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    Dude, they *own* the table.

    , @Adam Smith
    @Cleve Meteen

    21. Men of Colour always nail the hottest white chicks

    22. white “men” will be held acountable for their actions

    23. white christians will be outlawed

    24. ALL PEOPLE OF COLOR AGREEE

    They wouldnt do this unless the reseach and acadmic ctudy has notbeenn duly and thoruoiogoy investignated

    These white tears are delicious!

    https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/tiny-duck-valerie-reeves.jpg

  2. In other news, the Deep State elite consolidates their grip on power as Trump gives up.

    But, continue to notice important things.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @James O'Meara

    Trump gave up around the middle of 2017, at the latest. Everything since has just been part of the show.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Not Raul, @S. Anonyia

    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @James O'Meara

    If we stop snickering about sissies naming their cats "Mousse", the election stealers win.
    ~ Pres. George Dubya Bush, September 2001 (paraphrased)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oseqh7SMIvo

  3. @Cleve Meteen
    1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mulegino1, @Redneck farmer, @Cato, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Alfa158, @Anon 2, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @tyrone, @Richard B, @MEH 0910, @Cloudbuster, @Adam Smith

    So you admit you’re gay ?

  4. I need to see them with their masks on, Steve. Only then, will I be able to tell for sure.

  5. That cat looks like it’s being held hostage.

    Just look at its eyes. It’s saying, “Help me!”

    • Agree: Bubba, The Alarmist
    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @CorkyAgain
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Like Kunta Kinte in "Roots" the cat is probably thinking "I can learn to run!"

    No real cat tolerates captivity once they've experienced the freedom on the other side of the door.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @AndrewR

    , @AndrewR
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "I can't stand another round of Loose Mousse!"

  6. @James O'Meara
    In other news, the Deep State elite consolidates their grip on power as Trump gives up.

    But, continue to notice important things.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Bard of Bumperstickers

    Trump gave up around the middle of 2017, at the latest. Everything since has just been part of the show.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Thomas


    Trump gave up around the middle of 2017, at the latest. Everything since has just been part of the show.
     
    That why he shut the government down for two months in 2019 to try to get Congress to fund his wall?

    Replies: @Thomas

    , @Not Raul
    @Thomas

    Trump never “gave up”. He’s always been loud, lazy, impulsive, entitled, and a legend in his own mind.

    I had hoped that his presidency would educate the American people about the stupidity and laziness of business big shots, and that they would finally realize that the wealthy didn’t get that way by being better than working class people; but they’re already too brainwashed to get past their confirmation bias.

    Replies: @WJ, @Thomas, @Art Deco

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Thomas

    Actually he did better post-2017. He was still listening to neocons at that point. Foreign policy was great the past 2 years, very pragmatic. Economy was also good.

    If you're some kind of one-issue voter obsessed with a wall, maybe he "gave up."

    Replies: @Thomas, @ATBOTL

  7. This might be over.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You do know that Luntz was specifically mentioned in the Biden tapes as a friend of the Biden team, right?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Justvisiting

    , @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I put a bit of money on Trump’s victory using a JPMorgan “Trump basket” and went to bed around 11pm. Sure enough, at 7am I was winning, at 9am a bit more. I’ve worked in government. I sold at 10:26 when I started to see the level of spin and outright falsification of events and lack of public support from republicans. Doubled the money, which is really a poor consolation. The worst is not even Trump’s defeat. It’s the fact that the world is so full of zombies and enough evil people who know perfectly well what happened but will calmly repeat the party line, knowing the other side cannot “prove” anything to the zombies. Somebody who searches for truth in dialogue is defeated a priori by the Fourth Estate.

    The only thing that’s opened a few eyes is sending Biden fans the Breitbart video of him fondling little girls.

    Replies: @jon, @DCThrowback

  8. @JohnnyWalker123
    This might be over.

    https://twitter.com/jeffzeleny/status/1331010544040603661

    https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1331074811754233857

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Anon

    You do know that Luntz was specifically mentioned in the Biden tapes as a friend of the Biden team, right?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Justvisiting

    Yeah, but he was quoting Laura Ingraham.

    , @Justvisiting
    @Justvisiting

    Laura Ingraham is a red herring.

    Luntz is specifically mentioned in the Biden tapes because he was corresponding with Hunter and explaining that he really was a "friend of the Bidens".

  9. They are both gay, and so is anyone who takes this subject seriously.

    • Agree: Charon
  10. The guy with a cat looks gayer than a flaming six dollar bill.

  11. The gay one is also more attractive and less fat

  12. Gay face must perforce belong to the guy whose cat isn’t named Mousse.

  13. Anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    This might be over.

    https://twitter.com/jeffzeleny/status/1331010544040603661

    https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1331074811754233857

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Anon

    I put a bit of money on Trump’s victory using a JPMorgan “Trump basket” and went to bed around 11pm. Sure enough, at 7am I was winning, at 9am a bit more. I’ve worked in government. I sold at 10:26 when I started to see the level of spin and outright falsification of events and lack of public support from republicans. Doubled the money, which is really a poor consolation. The worst is not even Trump’s defeat. It’s the fact that the world is so full of zombies and enough evil people who know perfectly well what happened but will calmly repeat the party line, knowing the other side cannot “prove” anything to the zombies. Somebody who searches for truth in dialogue is defeated a priori by the Fourth Estate.

    The only thing that’s opened a few eyes is sending Biden fans the Breitbart video of him fondling little girls.

    • Replies: @jon
    @Anon


    It’s the fact that the world is so full of zombies
     
    I believe we were discussing 'gay face' - please stay on topic.
    , @DCThrowback
    @Anon

    which is why the hunter biden laptop HAD to be suppressed so ruthlessly

    there's an argument that it came out too late as some folks had already early voted when it was very clearly a "needle-moving" reveal

    Replies: @MBlanc46

  14. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    The best facial expression of Corey Johnson was on the day that Amazon said “Well maybe we’re not the best fit for Queens, bye-bye.” He was sure that he could ride Amazon to the New York City mayor’s office, that it was too late for them to pull out, and that he could stay in the headlines making incessant demands of Amazon forever.

    The final city council meeting where Johnson allowed a bunch of obnoxious semi-professional protesters to disrupt the proceedings was the final straw. You could see it on the faces of the Amazon executives. They did not want to be there. Johnson was so smug the whole time.

    He was touted as a favorite in the upcoming mayoral campaign. I was kind of looking forward to a guy like him as a de Blasio followup to well and fully bury the city.

    Johnson is HIV positive, which requires constant monitoring and treatment. He’s an attention whore and the lockdown has hit extroverts really hard; he apparently fell into depression.

    “I just started to feel – less joy, disconnected, isolated, the inability to sleep, loss of appetite,” he said.

    “I got the help that I needed,” he said of therapy and the support of loved ones.

    “I’m not out of the woods yet, but I’m feeling a lot better than I did in May, June and July. It’s a process — it’s a non-linear process,” he said.

    Depression “plays tricks on you,” he said.

    Maybe the vaccines will make it possible for this guy to return to the joyous asshole he was before the pandemic.

  15. @Cleve Meteen
    1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mulegino1, @Redneck farmer, @Cato, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Alfa158, @Anon 2, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @tyrone, @Richard B, @MEH 0910, @Cloudbuster, @Adam Smith

    @discrimtaoryhousgin

    21. Progressives may even learn how to spell.

  16. @Thomas
    @James O'Meara

    Trump gave up around the middle of 2017, at the latest. Everything since has just been part of the show.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Not Raul, @S. Anonyia

    Trump gave up around the middle of 2017, at the latest. Everything since has just been part of the show.

    That why he shut the government down for two months in 2019 to try to get Congress to fund his wall?

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Anonymous

    One month. And that was after he had just lost the House, so it was hopeless anyway. Like I said, just part of the show. If he had been really serious, shelving the Republicans' tax cut until they passed the wall would've been how to do it.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  17. The second guy, Speaker Corey Johnson, bears a resemblance to Andrew Sullivan.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Anonymous

    "Bears" a resemblance to Andrew Sullivan?

    Very good. Very, very good. A mere LOL is inadequate to the task.

  18. @Cleve Meteen
    1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mulegino1, @Redneck farmer, @Cato, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Alfa158, @Anon 2, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @tyrone, @Richard B, @MEH 0910, @Cloudbuster, @Adam Smith

    Sorry, Tiny, but 19 is US-Russia nuclear war.

  19. They both look really gay, but I think when a guy names his cat after a hair product he takes the lead in that department.

    BTW, Mousse has eunuch face. Not his fault, of course, but real toms look a lot more butch than that.

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @Charon
    @Bill P


    I think when a guy names his cat after a hair product he takes the lead in that department.
     
    You just outed yourself. I assumed that 'mousse' was a reference to a dessert. And the guy is fat after all.

    Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    , @Alden
    @Bill P

    We had an intact Tom named Tyler. He’d disappear for mating season and come home a month later bigger than ever proud of his wounds. The rest of the year he spent hunting weasels and proudly bringing them home. Even got the best of a raccoon once. We kids were so proud of him.

    , @XRay Manzarek
    @Bill P

    https://cat-world.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/stud-jowls-on-entire-male-cats.jpg

    Replies: @Bill P

  20. To be fair, Johnson is one quarter Korean. East Asian ancestry gives some guys an effeminate appearance.

    • Agree: Charon
  21. @Cleve Meteen
    1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mulegino1, @Redneck farmer, @Cato, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Alfa158, @Anon 2, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @tyrone, @Richard B, @MEH 0910, @Cloudbuster, @Adam Smith

    You forgot #21: A dossier has been created for everyone who posts on Unz (except Tiny Duck, who is on the side of the winners).

  22. @Cleve Meteen
    1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mulegino1, @Redneck farmer, @Cato, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Alfa158, @Anon 2, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @tyrone, @Richard B, @MEH 0910, @Cloudbuster, @Adam Smith

    Okay. I give up. Are you TD or Corvinus?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    https://media.tenor.com/images/ba7065a9c37ba6148c94a0ba9c856e71/tenor.gif

    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Corvinus is literate and humorless. Ducky is post-Western Civ textspeak illiterate and daffy: Cleave-Me-Teen-[insert sexual parts reference here].

  23. Obviously the cat guy. It’s interesting that you can look at a lot of guys and get a sense of whether they’re gay or not.

    Often it’s more about their facial expressions. Not exactly the face itself.

    Andrew Sullivan talks and moves in a dramatic, effeminate manner. Would he look gay just from a picture? Hard to say. If he held a normal masculine countenance, probably not.

    • Replies: @NickG
    @RichardTaylor

    Andrew Sullivan is a pain in the ass.

    Replies: @Charon

    , @XRay Manzarek
    @RichardTaylor

    Some Americans would think that Roger Daltrey looks and moves in an effeminate manner.

    Roger still had kids coming out of the woodwork. I think he's up to four extra offspring at this point, and I wouldn't say he's down for the count yet.

  24. They both look like they could be gay “bear” types.

  25. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Cleve Meteen

    Okay. I give up. Are you TD or Corvinus?

    Replies: @anon, @Bard of Bumperstickers

  26. Both dudes look gay.

  27. @Thomas
    @James O'Meara

    Trump gave up around the middle of 2017, at the latest. Everything since has just been part of the show.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Not Raul, @S. Anonyia

    Trump never “gave up”. He’s always been loud, lazy, impulsive, entitled, and a legend in his own mind.

    I had hoped that his presidency would educate the American people about the stupidity and laziness of business big shots, and that they would finally realize that the wealthy didn’t get that way by being better than working class people; but they’re already too brainwashed to get past their confirmation bias.

    • Replies: @WJ
    @Not Raul

    We are much better off with those government types ruling us than those dirty businessmen. Parasitic perpetual government workers who have mooched off the tax payer their entire working lives know better.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    , @Thomas
    @Not Raul

    Not that I have any great love for business big shots, but it's a mistake to think of Trump as primarily a businessman. I've said this before. Trump is a showman, part of whose shtick is occasionally playing as a businessman (or, for 4 years, a President). That's what he's been most of this century, and that's the key to understanding him and what he does. Think of him as a professional wrestling heel playing on a much bigger stage with a bigger audience. What he does is not about actually accomplishing what he says it is. It's all just to keep people watching and talking about him.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Art Deco
    @Not Raul

    He’s always been loud, lazy, impulsive,

    That lazy man keeps up a schedule which would exhaust an ordinary man half his age.

    Replies: @Not Raul

  28. @RichardTaylor
    Obviously the cat guy. It's interesting that you can look at a lot of guys and get a sense of whether they're gay or not.

    Often it's more about their facial expressions. Not exactly the face itself.

    Andrew Sullivan talks and moves in a dramatic, effeminate manner. Would he look gay just from a picture? Hard to say. If he held a normal masculine countenance, probably not.

    Replies: @NickG, @XRay Manzarek

    Andrew Sullivan is a pain in the ass.

    • LOL: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @Charon
    @NickG

    You just need to loosen up a little bit, pardner.

  29. Corey Johnson announced two months ago that he is not running for mayor so not sure he is that important anymore. He would have been a disaster as mayor, but the current state of City likely scared him off.

  30. Cool, I just had a comment censored using the same language.

  31. @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I put a bit of money on Trump’s victory using a JPMorgan “Trump basket” and went to bed around 11pm. Sure enough, at 7am I was winning, at 9am a bit more. I’ve worked in government. I sold at 10:26 when I started to see the level of spin and outright falsification of events and lack of public support from republicans. Doubled the money, which is really a poor consolation. The worst is not even Trump’s defeat. It’s the fact that the world is so full of zombies and enough evil people who know perfectly well what happened but will calmly repeat the party line, knowing the other side cannot “prove” anything to the zombies. Somebody who searches for truth in dialogue is defeated a priori by the Fourth Estate.

    The only thing that’s opened a few eyes is sending Biden fans the Breitbart video of him fondling little girls.

    Replies: @jon, @DCThrowback

    It’s the fact that the world is so full of zombies

    I believe we were discussing ‘gay face’ – please stay on topic.

  32. @Cleve Meteen
    1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mulegino1, @Redneck farmer, @Cato, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Alfa158, @Anon 2, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @tyrone, @Richard B, @MEH 0910, @Cloudbuster, @Adam Smith

    I wonder why Duck takes the trouble to keep changing his pseudonym. It doesn’t make him any funnier. And, he still inserts his trademark irony, misspellings and typos so you can always tell it’s the same commenter anyway.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Alfa158

    His new namesake, a rapist b-ball star, he used to live four doors down from me. Small world.

  33. @Cleve Meteen
    1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mulegino1, @Redneck farmer, @Cato, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Alfa158, @Anon 2, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @tyrone, @Richard B, @MEH 0910, @Cloudbuster, @Adam Smith

    Being “progressive” is not going to help you when Americans
    like you are becoming a target of ridicule around the world. People
    always laugh at countries or individuals that fail. Cruelty is
    one of the defining characteristics of the predatory primates
    (“smart chimps”), sometimes referred to as human beings

  34. @Justvisiting
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You do know that Luntz was specifically mentioned in the Biden tapes as a friend of the Biden team, right?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Justvisiting

    Yeah, but he was quoting Laura Ingraham.

  35. the tricky part of the Jets rebuild is getting Trevor Lawrence to not notice that his career is doomed if he is drafted by the Jets.

    a Joe Burrow style knee smashing is only one of the many huge downsides to not getting out of the 2021 draft or pulling a John Elway on all NFL GMs.

    repeat after me. I will not play for the New York Jets. sit out the 2021 NFL draft. threaten to play baseball if drafted. demand a trade on draft day. return to FBS for 1 more season. do whatever it takes.

    Joe Burrow gulped, accepted his luck, and look where that got him. don’t be Joe Burrow. the Jets are a terrible team and will NEVER be good while you are there wasting your career and probably getting injured, just like Sam Darnold.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @prime noticer

    I'd like to see an iSteve article about the building of the Clemson football program. They've stumbled a bit with Lawrence and Skalski out, but earlier this season, it was like watching an NFL franchise steamroll a D-1 school. They also seem not to have had a lot of the crime-related problems that plague a program like University of Georgia.

    Dabo Swinney is probably a bit too openly Christian for a lot of Steve's readers, but he's always been a great recruiter and is probably smarter than many people would assume. He spent a couple of years out of football and working in real estate, at which he did quite well.

    He also has an unusual background for someone in his shoes. His family went through a period of homelessness after his dad left the family, and he, his mom, and his siblings lived in a car. During this period, he continued to attend his middle-class high school and coped with whatever embarrassment he must have felt pretty admirably.

    Anyway, just a gentle suggestion.

    Replies: @anon

  36. @Cleve Meteen
    1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mulegino1, @Redneck farmer, @Cato, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Alfa158, @Anon 2, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @tyrone, @Richard B, @MEH 0910, @Cloudbuster, @Adam Smith

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    Discrimtaory?

    Isn’t that the kind of artwork that sailors made out of whalebone?

    Housgin?

    You mean like Aristocrat – which you apparently drink for breakfast?

    By all means, it should be abolished. Vile stuff. Beefeater or Gordons are the only proper gins.

  37. @Cleve Meteen
    1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mulegino1, @Redneck farmer, @Cato, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Alfa158, @Anon 2, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @tyrone, @Richard B, @MEH 0910, @Cloudbuster, @Adam Smith

    ’11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table..’

    We’re talking 1880, right?

    • LOL: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Colin Wright

    More like 1780.

  38. Joe Douglas is the kind of man gays are looking for in the gay community. Corey Johnson is the kind of man the can get (and have to be content with).

  39. @Cleve Meteen
    1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mulegino1, @Redneck farmer, @Cato, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Alfa158, @Anon 2, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @tyrone, @Richard B, @MEH 0910, @Cloudbuster, @Adam Smith

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    As long as bathtub gin is still permitted….

  40. @Anonymous
    The second guy, Speaker Corey Johnson, bears a resemblance to Andrew Sullivan.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    “Bears” a resemblance to Andrew Sullivan?

    Very good. Very, very good. A mere LOL is inadequate to the task.

  41. “Reply to Whiskey before Turok, Turok before Corvinus. But NEVER reply to Tiny Duck.”
    – Unzitarian Proverb

    The only thing more annoying than TD posts making it through moderation is people actually replying to it.

    • Replies: @photondancer
    @BenKenobi

    Oh I dunno, they have fun and the replies are making me laugh, especially the ones riffing on 'housgin'.

  42. Mousse has a facial expression that begs, “Help me ! Please !”

    BTW, what is the male opposite of a Lipstick Lesbian, because that would apply here.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @The Alarmist

    If Mousse could talk (or blink in Morse code), he'd say, "My owner doesn't know how to eat pussy."

    , @SFG
    @The Alarmist

    Doesn't really fit--a lipstick lesbian is a lesbian who dresses in a traditionally feminine way, rather than looking 'butch'.

    Lots of gay men act straight, though. There are certain aesthetics no straight man would adopt (the buff-shaved body, colored nail polish), but lots of gay men will look like average guys.

    There was a discussion on Slate or one of these lefty mags about 'gaybros' who were into stuff like hunting and football that were traditionally masculine, but it never caught on. My guess is masculinity is too much about doing and not enough about looking good for the concept to transfer.

    But I'm a nerdy ex-West Sider, so what do I know. ;)

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @No0biE

  43. Walkin’ my cat named Mousse
    Meeting my friend named Bruce
    He’s wearing chartreuse
    He’s wearing chartreuse

    [MORE]

  44. @prime noticer
    the tricky part of the Jets rebuild is getting Trevor Lawrence to not notice that his career is doomed if he is drafted by the Jets.

    a Joe Burrow style knee smashing is only one of the many huge downsides to not getting out of the 2021 draft or pulling a John Elway on all NFL GMs.

    repeat after me. I will not play for the New York Jets. sit out the 2021 NFL draft. threaten to play baseball if drafted. demand a trade on draft day. return to FBS for 1 more season. do whatever it takes.

    Joe Burrow gulped, accepted his luck, and look where that got him. don't be Joe Burrow. the Jets are a terrible team and will NEVER be good while you are there wasting your career and probably getting injured, just like Sam Darnold.

    Replies: @black sea

    I’d like to see an iSteve article about the building of the Clemson football program. They’ve stumbled a bit with Lawrence and Skalski out, but earlier this season, it was like watching an NFL franchise steamroll a D-1 school. They also seem not to have had a lot of the crime-related problems that plague a program like University of Georgia.

    Dabo Swinney is probably a bit too openly Christian for a lot of Steve’s readers, but he’s always been a great recruiter and is probably smarter than many people would assume. He spent a couple of years out of football and working in real estate, at which he did quite well.

    He also has an unusual background for someone in his shoes. His family went through a period of homelessness after his dad left the family, and he, his mom, and his siblings lived in a car. During this period, he continued to attend his middle-class high school and coped with whatever embarrassment he must have felt pretty admirably.

    Anyway, just a gentle suggestion.

    • Replies: @anon
    @black sea

    ESPN just put out a nice longform piece on FSU's fall from grace.

    Jimbo Fisher and crew were apparently acutely aware of Clemson's rising. Also sheds some light on all the discipline/criminality problems-- that seems to be the corner that gets cut when, institutionally, everything else is falling apart behind the scenes.

  45. @The Alarmist
    Mousse has a facial expression that begs, “Help me ! Please !”

    BTW, what is the male opposite of a Lipstick Lesbian, because that would apply here.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @SFG

    If Mousse could talk (or blink in Morse code), he’d say, “My owner doesn’t know how to eat pussy.”

  46. @BenKenobi
    “Reply to Whiskey before Turok, Turok before Corvinus. But NEVER reply to Tiny Duck.”
    - Unzitarian Proverb

    The only thing more annoying than TD posts making it through moderation is people actually replying to it.

    Replies: @photondancer

    Oh I dunno, they have fun and the replies are making me laugh, especially the ones riffing on ‘housgin’.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Disagree: BenKenobi
  47. @Colin Wright
    @Cleve Meteen

    '11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table..'

    We're talking 1880, right?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    More like 1780.

    • Agree: Charon
  48. @Alfa158
    @Cleve Meteen

    I wonder why Duck takes the trouble to keep changing his pseudonym. It doesn’t make him any funnier. And, he still inserts his trademark irony, misspellings and typos so you can always tell it’s the same commenter anyway.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    His new namesake, a rapist b-ball star, he used to live four doors down from me. Small world.

  49. Neither looks gay.

    That’s a handsome cat.

  50. @The Alarmist
    Mousse has a facial expression that begs, “Help me ! Please !”

    BTW, what is the male opposite of a Lipstick Lesbian, because that would apply here.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @SFG

    Doesn’t really fit–a lipstick lesbian is a lesbian who dresses in a traditionally feminine way, rather than looking ‘butch’.

    Lots of gay men act straight, though. There are certain aesthetics no straight man would adopt (the buff-shaved body, colored nail polish), but lots of gay men will look like average guys.

    There was a discussion on Slate or one of these lefty mags about ‘gaybros’ who were into stuff like hunting and football that were traditionally masculine, but it never caught on. My guess is masculinity is too much about doing and not enough about looking good for the concept to transfer.

    But I’m a nerdy ex-West Sider, so what do I know. 😉

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @SFG

    The question is that masculine types don't have a gay identity. The association between homosexuality and effeminacy is very entrenched in the popular mind, because effeminate men are more exposed, creating associations between homosexuality and their behavior.
    The gayness of masculine homosexuals is only sexual, in effeminte types is also behavioral.

    Replies: @No0biE

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @SFG


    There was a discussion on Slate or one of these lefty mags about ‘gaybros’ who were into stuff like hunting and football that were traditionally masculine, but it never caught on.

     

    SF Weekly: The Regular Guys.


    https://1ryzas42x65e2oosia40bgli-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/127890.0.jpeg

    , @No0biE
    @SFG

    Are you gay? I've never once met an openly gay man who "acts straight". Even closeted gays are strikingly obvious in their "softness" and are figured out by their coworkers long before they ever "come out".

  51. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Fat guys with baseball type caps and similar week old facial hair tend to look alike. The fat obscures whatever facial features they have, making it all look like some undifferentiated round mass. At least they are not wearing their caps backwards which makes the wearers look like graduates of Special Ed.

  52. @Not Raul
    @Thomas

    Trump never “gave up”. He’s always been loud, lazy, impulsive, entitled, and a legend in his own mind.

    I had hoped that his presidency would educate the American people about the stupidity and laziness of business big shots, and that they would finally realize that the wealthy didn’t get that way by being better than working class people; but they’re already too brainwashed to get past their confirmation bias.

    Replies: @WJ, @Thomas, @Art Deco

    We are much better off with those government types ruling us than those dirty businessmen. Parasitic perpetual government workers who have mooched off the tax payer their entire working lives know better.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @WJ


    We are much better off with those government types ruling us than those dirty businessmen. Parasitic perpetual government workers who have mooched off the tax payer their entire working lives know better.
     
    Trump “mooched off the tax payer” quite a bit.

    Here’s just one example:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-businesses-charged-taxpayers-1-1m-for-secret-service-stays-some-when-the-club-was-closed

    Replies: @Muggles

  53. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    @The Alarmist

    Doesn't really fit--a lipstick lesbian is a lesbian who dresses in a traditionally feminine way, rather than looking 'butch'.

    Lots of gay men act straight, though. There are certain aesthetics no straight man would adopt (the buff-shaved body, colored nail polish), but lots of gay men will look like average guys.

    There was a discussion on Slate or one of these lefty mags about 'gaybros' who were into stuff like hunting and football that were traditionally masculine, but it never caught on. My guess is masculinity is too much about doing and not enough about looking good for the concept to transfer.

    But I'm a nerdy ex-West Sider, so what do I know. ;)

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @No0biE

    The question is that masculine types don’t have a gay identity. The association between homosexuality and effeminacy is very entrenched in the popular mind, because effeminate men are more exposed, creating associations between homosexuality and their behavior.
    The gayness of masculine homosexuals is only sexual, in effeminte types is also behavioral.

    • Replies: @No0biE
    @Anonymous

    What is a good example of a "masculine homosexual"?

    Replies: @Art Deco

  54. Mousse is not a happy kitty. He/she seems not to be wriggling, so the bulging eyes don’t seem to be out fear. It breaks my cat loving heart to see this real life hostage situation.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Old and Grumpy

    May have been startled by the camera. It looks like scrabbling is imminent. At that point, whats-his-name will put him down and then pet him to make amends. They likely go through that dance several times a week.

  55. anon[956] • Disclaimer says:
    @black sea
    @prime noticer

    I'd like to see an iSteve article about the building of the Clemson football program. They've stumbled a bit with Lawrence and Skalski out, but earlier this season, it was like watching an NFL franchise steamroll a D-1 school. They also seem not to have had a lot of the crime-related problems that plague a program like University of Georgia.

    Dabo Swinney is probably a bit too openly Christian for a lot of Steve's readers, but he's always been a great recruiter and is probably smarter than many people would assume. He spent a couple of years out of football and working in real estate, at which he did quite well.

    He also has an unusual background for someone in his shoes. His family went through a period of homelessness after his dad left the family, and he, his mom, and his siblings lived in a car. During this period, he continued to attend his middle-class high school and coped with whatever embarrassment he must have felt pretty admirably.

    Anyway, just a gentle suggestion.

    Replies: @anon

    ESPN just put out a nice longform piece on FSU’s fall from grace.

    Jimbo Fisher and crew were apparently acutely aware of Clemson’s rising. Also sheds some light on all the discipline/criminality problems– that seems to be the corner that gets cut when, institutionally, everything else is falling apart behind the scenes.

  56. @Bill P
    They both look really gay, but I think when a guy names his cat after a hair product he takes the lead in that department.

    BTW, Mousse has eunuch face. Not his fault, of course, but real toms look a lot more butch than that.

    Replies: @Charon, @Alden, @XRay Manzarek

    I think when a guy names his cat after a hair product he takes the lead in that department.

    You just outed yourself. I assumed that ‘mousse’ was a reference to a dessert. And the guy is fat after all.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • LOL: DCThrowback
    • Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race
    @Charon

    I thought it was chocolate mousse too, but that too is plenty faggy.

    I had a patron on Park Avenue when in my 20s who lived across from to two rich gays. One of them was Peruvian, started Dean & DeLuca and came over and made this wonderful cheese souffle, speaking of mousses. Mrs. De Rahm was real "Old New York", and told me privately that she didn't believe what she'd heard about Felipe and 'Timmy', that she found that offensive. Like many of those bored loaded socialites, she also had, at age 75, a gay lover who was 35. I don't know whether he 'put out' or not, but he wrote godawful music. Looking back, I'm embarassed at my hickish 'oohs and ahhs' at the couple's shoe room--at least 400 pair between the two of them. 'Timmy' looked at me condescendingly.

    But main thing is they had two Schnauzers named Artichoke and Anchovy.

  57. @Cleve Meteen
    1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mulegino1, @Redneck farmer, @Cato, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Alfa158, @Anon 2, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @tyrone, @Richard B, @MEH 0910, @Cloudbuster, @Adam Smith

    “18. russia will be dealt with”…..Ya think any day now China might tell their boy Biden they have a secret mutual defense treaty with Russia……..prolly not. Tsar bomba is what is known as a finishing move.

  58. @NickG
    @RichardTaylor

    Andrew Sullivan is a pain in the ass.

    Replies: @Charon

    You just need to loosen up a little bit, pardner.

  59. @Bill P
    They both look really gay, but I think when a guy names his cat after a hair product he takes the lead in that department.

    BTW, Mousse has eunuch face. Not his fault, of course, but real toms look a lot more butch than that.

    Replies: @Charon, @Alden, @XRay Manzarek

    We had an intact Tom named Tyler. He’d disappear for mating season and come home a month later bigger than ever proud of his wounds. The rest of the year he spent hunting weasels and proudly bringing them home. Even got the best of a raccoon once. We kids were so proud of him.

  60. What happened to the AI that could distinguish gay from straight male faces? Or was that discussion banned? Maybe they’re now working to tell the right wingers apart.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous Jew

    I remember having heard of facial recognition software that could make a pretty good guess as to whether you're liberal or conservative. I feel like I can do that too, not always, but probably about as well as I can tell gay from straight.

  61. @Anonymous
    @Thomas


    Trump gave up around the middle of 2017, at the latest. Everything since has just been part of the show.
     
    That why he shut the government down for two months in 2019 to try to get Congress to fund his wall?

    Replies: @Thomas

    One month. And that was after he had just lost the House, so it was hopeless anyway. Like I said, just part of the show. If he had been really serious, shelving the Republicans’ tax cut until they passed the wall would’ve been how to do it.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Thomas


    One month. And that was after he had just lost the House, so it was hopeless anyway. Like I said, just part of the show. If he had been really serious, shelving the Republicans’ tax cut until they passed the wall would’ve been how to do it.
     
    Did not have to "shelve" the tax cut, just insisted that his core promises--including the Wall--was part of the deal. And really he needed mandatory E-verify and H1-B and refugee clamp down as well.

    Also he needed to just *do* his executive orders on day one. End DACA, end all the TPS nonsense, etc. etc.

    I disagree that Trump was all show. He actually seemed to want to build the Wall and got around to getting it going. I saw a bunch of the new wall visiting friends in San Diego a couple years ago--it's good.

    But Trump just was not organized, was easily rolled by "experienced" politicos, was easily distracted, made terrible appointments, was disloyal to the few true Trumpists in his administration and nepotistically appointed a non-Trumpist Jewish Democrat as his political advisor. Very disappointing performance from a guy who claims to understand "The Art of the Deal" and to be a "businessman".

    And then his inability to coherently communicate critical ideas ...

    Replies: @dfordoom, @bomag

  62. @Not Raul
    @Thomas

    Trump never “gave up”. He’s always been loud, lazy, impulsive, entitled, and a legend in his own mind.

    I had hoped that his presidency would educate the American people about the stupidity and laziness of business big shots, and that they would finally realize that the wealthy didn’t get that way by being better than working class people; but they’re already too brainwashed to get past their confirmation bias.

    Replies: @WJ, @Thomas, @Art Deco

    Not that I have any great love for business big shots, but it’s a mistake to think of Trump as primarily a businessman. I’ve said this before. Trump is a showman, part of whose shtick is occasionally playing as a businessman (or, for 4 years, a President). That’s what he’s been most of this century, and that’s the key to understanding him and what he does. Think of him as a professional wrestling heel playing on a much bigger stage with a bigger audience. What he does is not about actually accomplishing what he says it is. It’s all just to keep people watching and talking about him.

    • Agree: Not Raul, Dissident
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Thomas

    Blah blah blah.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Thomas


    Think of him as a professional wrestling heel playing on a much bigger stage with a bigger audience.
     
    What are the odds that the greatest kayfabe of all time leads to a Constitutional Crisis? Civil War v 2.0?
  63. @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I put a bit of money on Trump’s victory using a JPMorgan “Trump basket” and went to bed around 11pm. Sure enough, at 7am I was winning, at 9am a bit more. I’ve worked in government. I sold at 10:26 when I started to see the level of spin and outright falsification of events and lack of public support from republicans. Doubled the money, which is really a poor consolation. The worst is not even Trump’s defeat. It’s the fact that the world is so full of zombies and enough evil people who know perfectly well what happened but will calmly repeat the party line, knowing the other side cannot “prove” anything to the zombies. Somebody who searches for truth in dialogue is defeated a priori by the Fourth Estate.

    The only thing that’s opened a few eyes is sending Biden fans the Breitbart video of him fondling little girls.

    Replies: @jon, @DCThrowback

    which is why the hunter biden laptop HAD to be suppressed so ruthlessly

    there’s an argument that it came out too late as some folks had already early voted when it was very clearly a “needle-moving” reveal

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @DCThrowback

    Victor Davis Hanson says that Bannon and Giuliani erred badly in waiting so long to reveal it.

  64. @WJ
    @Not Raul

    We are much better off with those government types ruling us than those dirty businessmen. Parasitic perpetual government workers who have mooched off the tax payer their entire working lives know better.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    We are much better off with those government types ruling us than those dirty businessmen. Parasitic perpetual government workers who have mooched off the tax payer their entire working lives know better.

    Trump “mooched off the tax payer” quite a bit.

    Here’s just one example:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-businesses-charged-taxpayers-1-1m-for-secret-service-stays-some-when-the-club-was-closed

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Not Raul


    Trump “mooched off the tax payer” quite a bit.
     
    "Mooching" is in the eye of the beholder. Obama and others had plenty of tax funded golf vacations or travels to Hawaii, etc.

    Carter was likely the only recent president who didn't. They also nickel-and-dime the president for personal stuff and some family related things.

    I have read that many SS protectees have charged the government for "rent" for their guards quarters when staying on premises. Often in guest houses, etc. These details are rarely discussed but it has leaked out.

    Now staying at a Trump hotel/club is probably more legit, since the fed employees might displace actual paying guests.

    Squawking about "Trump greed" and arguing that he is "really" broke, while ignoring St. Obama and the other Big Wheels faithfully is a sure sign of Trump Derangement Syndrome. That fever is slowing leveling off but is probably never going to be totally cured.

    TDS is an odd disease that while painful and annoying for everyone else near the sufferer, it makes the victim feel better about themselves. A self-medicating brain disease.

    Biden, on the other hand, is a visual reminder of real brain disease.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @AndrewR

  65. @Cleve Meteen
    1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mulegino1, @Redneck farmer, @Cato, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Alfa158, @Anon 2, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @tyrone, @Richard B, @MEH 0910, @Cloudbuster, @Adam Smith

    Actually, I like this list.

    Tells you everything you need to know. It makes clear as day the kind of thinking involved. Though, perhaps a better word than thinking would be clueless. After all, you can’t get more clueless than gloating over a Pyrrhic Victory.

    The habit of mind used to acquire power through infiltration and subversion has nothing to do with the habit of mind necessary for managing the social institutions that power controls.

    The more complex and unpredictable a civilization is the easier to infiltrate and subvert, but the harder it is to control.

    Dang! It’s a bad time to be in power!

  66. @Old and Grumpy
    Mousse is not a happy kitty. He/she seems not to be wriggling, so the bulging eyes don't seem to be out fear. It breaks my cat loving heart to see this real life hostage situation.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    May have been startled by the camera. It looks like scrabbling is imminent. At that point, whats-his-name will put him down and then pet him to make amends. They likely go through that dance several times a week.

  67. @Thomas
    @Not Raul

    Not that I have any great love for business big shots, but it's a mistake to think of Trump as primarily a businessman. I've said this before. Trump is a showman, part of whose shtick is occasionally playing as a businessman (or, for 4 years, a President). That's what he's been most of this century, and that's the key to understanding him and what he does. Think of him as a professional wrestling heel playing on a much bigger stage with a bigger audience. What he does is not about actually accomplishing what he says it is. It's all just to keep people watching and talking about him.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Blah blah blah.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  68. A healthy civilization does not let queers run the joint. Prance and dance around in their own little world–ok. Actually lead anything, much less be political leaders–no.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    A healthy civilization does not let queers run the joint. Prance and dance around in their own little world–ok. Actually lead anything, much less be political leaders–no.

     

    https://pridesource.com/article/49690/


    https://cdn.historycollection.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/James-Buchanan-and-King.jpg
    , @Muggles
    @AnotherDad


    A healthy civilization does not let queers run the joint. Prance and dance around in their own little world–ok. Actually lead anything, much less be political leaders–no.
     
    Alexander the Great, Roman emperors Hadrian and Trajan and likely others are refutations of that.

    Wasn't German king Frederick the Great also gay?

    While this isn't likely an asset for political leadership, there are many known (and larger numbers of unknown) gay political and military leaders. Past and present. G. Washington's German general Von Steuben, who drilled the ragtag Continental Army into an effective field army, was gay.

    It is a serious flaw in thinking to denigrate those who fit in different boxes than you do. It is a common human failing. Seen too often here on Unz comments.

    Hitler, Stalin and Mao weren't gay. They led not-so-"healthy" civilizations, no?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @John Up North, @Art Deco, @Eric Novak, @Cloudbuster

  69. Corey Johnson has been openly gay since he was in high school.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @prosa123

    What hits you is that being a homosexual is his profession. He seems to have little employment history other than public office and working for NGOs which have something to do with homosexuality. He's also had no vocational training of any kind. His education ended 20 years ago after one semester in college. In his mundane life, he's been sufficiently careless over the years that he's ended up HIV+. HIV is a great deal less prevalent among homosexual and bisexual men than it was a generation ago and perhaps 15% of that set are infected nowadays.

    Replies: @Dissident

  70. A fair number of gay guys twinkle a lot. They’re also prone to expressing their feelings, taking very good care of their skin, flirting with the camera, and treating their clothes as costumes.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Paleo Retiree

    Best of the Worst: Ben and Arthur
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xto-7_xWb9g


    Mike, Jay, Rich Evans, and a special guest star talk about the gay cult classic "Ben and Arthur"!
     
  71. @Thomas
    @James O'Meara

    Trump gave up around the middle of 2017, at the latest. Everything since has just been part of the show.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Not Raul, @S. Anonyia

    Actually he did better post-2017. He was still listening to neocons at that point. Foreign policy was great the past 2 years, very pragmatic. Economy was also good.

    If you’re some kind of one-issue voter obsessed with a wall, maybe he “gave up.”

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @S. Anonyia


    Actually he did better post-2017. He was still listening to neocons at that point. Foreign policy was great the past 2 years, very pragmatic. Economy was also good.
     
    John Bolton was National Security Advisor until last September. That's a pretty big neocon.

    Incidentally, speaking of neocons, I don't know if anyone has noticed yet, but every Cabinet nominee Biden has named so far plus his Chief of Staff are members of the Tribe. And they called Trump "ZOGnald."

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/biden-cabinet-nominees/

    , @ATBOTL
    @S. Anonyia

    blump's foreign policy was so great that we still have troops in Syria and Iraq.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  72. @SFG
    @The Alarmist

    Doesn't really fit--a lipstick lesbian is a lesbian who dresses in a traditionally feminine way, rather than looking 'butch'.

    Lots of gay men act straight, though. There are certain aesthetics no straight man would adopt (the buff-shaved body, colored nail polish), but lots of gay men will look like average guys.

    There was a discussion on Slate or one of these lefty mags about 'gaybros' who were into stuff like hunting and football that were traditionally masculine, but it never caught on. My guess is masculinity is too much about doing and not enough about looking good for the concept to transfer.

    But I'm a nerdy ex-West Sider, so what do I know. ;)

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @No0biE

    There was a discussion on Slate or one of these lefty mags about ‘gaybros’ who were into stuff like hunting and football that were traditionally masculine, but it never caught on.

    SF Weekly: The Regular Guys.

  73. @Not Raul
    @WJ


    We are much better off with those government types ruling us than those dirty businessmen. Parasitic perpetual government workers who have mooched off the tax payer their entire working lives know better.
     
    Trump “mooched off the tax payer” quite a bit.

    Here’s just one example:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trumps-businesses-charged-taxpayers-1-1m-for-secret-service-stays-some-when-the-club-was-closed

    Replies: @Muggles

    Trump “mooched off the tax payer” quite a bit.

    “Mooching” is in the eye of the beholder. Obama and others had plenty of tax funded golf vacations or travels to Hawaii, etc.

    Carter was likely the only recent president who didn’t. They also nickel-and-dime the president for personal stuff and some family related things.

    I have read that many SS protectees have charged the government for “rent” for their guards quarters when staying on premises. Often in guest houses, etc. These details are rarely discussed but it has leaked out.

    Now staying at a Trump hotel/club is probably more legit, since the fed employees might displace actual paying guests.

    Squawking about “Trump greed” and arguing that he is “really” broke, while ignoring St. Obama and the other Big Wheels faithfully is a sure sign of Trump Derangement Syndrome. That fever is slowing leveling off but is probably never going to be totally cured.

    TDS is an odd disease that while painful and annoying for everyone else near the sufferer, it makes the victim feel better about themselves. A self-medicating brain disease.

    Biden, on the other hand, is a visual reminder of real brain disease.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Muggles


    Now staying at a Trump hotel/club is probably more legit, since the fed employees might displace actual paying guests.
     
    Not when the Secret Service is charged much more than regular guests.

    Replies: @Muggles

    , @AndrewR
    @Muggles

    Trump, like Obama, doesn't like to actually work. Playing golf, watching TV, tweeting, and holding his bizarre cult rallies with his low IQ fans are far more preferable to Trump. It's hardly a secret that he has little patience for anything resembling work. He requires his lackeys to dumb down briefings to the point where a moderately dull kindergartener could fully understand them. Clinton was the last bright president this country will have ever elected.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Art Deco

  74. @AnotherDad
    A healthy civilization does not let queers run the joint. Prance and dance around in their own little world--ok. Actually lead anything, much less be political leaders--no.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Muggles

    A healthy civilization does not let queers run the joint. Prance and dance around in their own little world–ok. Actually lead anything, much less be political leaders–no.

    https://pridesource.com/article/49690/

  75. @AnotherDad
    A healthy civilization does not let queers run the joint. Prance and dance around in their own little world--ok. Actually lead anything, much less be political leaders--no.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Muggles

    A healthy civilization does not let queers run the joint. Prance and dance around in their own little world–ok. Actually lead anything, much less be political leaders–no.

    Alexander the Great, Roman emperors Hadrian and Trajan and likely others are refutations of that.

    Wasn’t German king Frederick the Great also gay?

    While this isn’t likely an asset for political leadership, there are many known (and larger numbers of unknown) gay political and military leaders. Past and present. G. Washington’s German general Von Steuben, who drilled the ragtag Continental Army into an effective field army, was gay.

    It is a serious flaw in thinking to denigrate those who fit in different boxes than you do. It is a common human failing. Seen too often here on Unz comments.

    Hitler, Stalin and Mao weren’t gay. They led not-so-“healthy” civilizations, no?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Muggles

    Frederick the Great was a patriot who happened to be gay and what everyone understands to be meant in the modern context by "gay" are lunatic extreme left-wing activists who want to destroy society and the economy out of rage at their fathers.

    Replies: @Muggles, @RSDB

    , @AnotherDad
    @Muggles


    Alexander the Great, Roman emperors Hadrian and Trajan and likely others are refutations of that.
     
    No they are not, but you'd have to read what i wrote and understand why i wrote it.

    Replies: @Muggles

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Muggles


    Hitler, Stalin and Mao weren’t gay.
     
    https://www.worldlifestyle.com/content/111266/88d51fefe7adbba1347018f0dc0efec2.jpg

    Replies: @John Up North, @duncsbaby

    , @John Up North
    @Muggles

    Richard the Lionheart was supposed to have been gay.

    , @Art Deco
    @Muggles

    Ernst Roehm was an admitted homosexual. Hitler himself was a childless bachelor and physically repulsive.

    Replies: @fnn

    , @Eric Novak
    @Muggles

    Let’s not forget Ernst Rohm...

    , @Cloudbuster
    @Muggles

    I'm of the opinion that a lot of the identification of historical figures, especially ancient historical figures, as gay is simply revisionism combined with an enthusiasm to push people into 20th and 21st century boxes they simply don't fit within.

    Replies: @Muggles

  76. @Muggles
    @AnotherDad


    A healthy civilization does not let queers run the joint. Prance and dance around in their own little world–ok. Actually lead anything, much less be political leaders–no.
     
    Alexander the Great, Roman emperors Hadrian and Trajan and likely others are refutations of that.

    Wasn't German king Frederick the Great also gay?

    While this isn't likely an asset for political leadership, there are many known (and larger numbers of unknown) gay political and military leaders. Past and present. G. Washington's German general Von Steuben, who drilled the ragtag Continental Army into an effective field army, was gay.

    It is a serious flaw in thinking to denigrate those who fit in different boxes than you do. It is a common human failing. Seen too often here on Unz comments.

    Hitler, Stalin and Mao weren't gay. They led not-so-"healthy" civilizations, no?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @John Up North, @Art Deco, @Eric Novak, @Cloudbuster

    Frederick the Great was a patriot who happened to be gay and what everyone understands to be meant in the modern context by “gay” are lunatic extreme left-wing activists who want to destroy society and the economy out of rage at their fathers.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @J.Ross


    what everyone understands to be meant in the modern context by “gay” are lunatic extreme left-wing activists who want to destroy society and the economy out of rage at their fathers
     
    I guess I'm not part of the "what everyone understands to be meant..." crowd.

    When someone writes a sweeping, vague generalization I expect it to be more than a horror movie cliché. If you actually knew some gay people, you might understand this better.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @RSDB
    @J.Ross


    Frederick the Great was a patriot

     

    Frederick the Great despised Germans; he was pro-Frederick and that was about as far as his patriotism went.

    He was also prone to pathetic whining whenever things looked like they weren't going his way.

    Destiny, or a demon, has resolved upon the downfall of Prussia; alliances contrary to nature, hatreds for which no cause has been given, secondary influences and real bad luck

     


    I have no further resources, and we must expect from day to day an increase of our misfortunes. Heaven is witness that it is not my fault, but I have been badly served. There has been in addition much ill luck, and I have had the whole of Europe against me

     

    He whined about committing suicide to Voltaire, who replied, sensibly for once: Nobody will regard you as the martyr of liberty.

    When he is winning, it is the opposite:

    I have to do with such stupid people that it naturally follows that I shall get the best of them in the end.

     

    In other words, "he laughs when he hurts you, and howls when you hurt him".

    Given his horrific childhood, though, it is hard to hold any peculiarities of disposition against him.

    He was also certainly one of the great military men of history; no one can take that away from him.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Rob McX

  77. @Thomas
    @Anonymous

    One month. And that was after he had just lost the House, so it was hopeless anyway. Like I said, just part of the show. If he had been really serious, shelving the Republicans' tax cut until they passed the wall would've been how to do it.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    One month. And that was after he had just lost the House, so it was hopeless anyway. Like I said, just part of the show. If he had been really serious, shelving the Republicans’ tax cut until they passed the wall would’ve been how to do it.

    Did not have to “shelve” the tax cut, just insisted that his core promises–including the Wall–was part of the deal. And really he needed mandatory E-verify and H1-B and refugee clamp down as well.

    Also he needed to just *do* his executive orders on day one. End DACA, end all the TPS nonsense, etc. etc.

    I disagree that Trump was all show. He actually seemed to want to build the Wall and got around to getting it going. I saw a bunch of the new wall visiting friends in San Diego a couple years ago–it’s good.

    But Trump just was not organized, was easily rolled by “experienced” politicos, was easily distracted, made terrible appointments, was disloyal to the few true Trumpists in his administration and nepotistically appointed a non-Trumpist Jewish Democrat as his political advisor. Very disappointing performance from a guy who claims to understand “The Art of the Deal” and to be a “businessman”.

    And then his inability to coherently communicate critical ideas …

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @AnotherDad


    I disagree that Trump was all show. He actually seemed to want to build the Wall and got around to getting it going. I saw a bunch of the new wall visiting friends in San Diego a couple years ago–it’s good.
     
    How long do you think it will be before the wall gets demolished?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @bomag
    @AnotherDad


    And then his inability to coherently communicate critical ideas …
     
    I thought he was an exceptional communicator; Twitter and his rallies, etc.

    But Trump just was not organized
     
    He's more of a strategic thinker; a big idea man who has others fill in the details. But in DC there was no infrastructure for him, no "bench"; the media, courts, and permanent bureaucracy worked against him in a turbocharged way.

    I suppose he should have seen this and adjusted, but one goes to war with the army you have.
  78. @Muggles
    @AnotherDad


    A healthy civilization does not let queers run the joint. Prance and dance around in their own little world–ok. Actually lead anything, much less be political leaders–no.
     
    Alexander the Great, Roman emperors Hadrian and Trajan and likely others are refutations of that.

    Wasn't German king Frederick the Great also gay?

    While this isn't likely an asset for political leadership, there are many known (and larger numbers of unknown) gay political and military leaders. Past and present. G. Washington's German general Von Steuben, who drilled the ragtag Continental Army into an effective field army, was gay.

    It is a serious flaw in thinking to denigrate those who fit in different boxes than you do. It is a common human failing. Seen too often here on Unz comments.

    Hitler, Stalin and Mao weren't gay. They led not-so-"healthy" civilizations, no?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @John Up North, @Art Deco, @Eric Novak, @Cloudbuster

    Alexander the Great, Roman emperors Hadrian and Trajan and likely others are refutations of that.

    No they are not, but you’d have to read what i wrote and understand why i wrote it.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @AnotherDad

    I try not to be argumentative here.

    But I read what you wrote (a generic slam about being gay is bad for political leaders) and saw a couple of very old photos of some obscure politicians which I think you are trying to use instead of words, to make an argument.

    So I did read what few words you wrote. I looked at some old and unexplained photos.

    As to "understanding why you wrote it" I'm at a loss. I'm not a mind reader.

    If you can't bother to explain yourself, we are done.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  79. @JohnnyWalker123
    That cat looks like it's being held hostage.

    Just look at its eyes. It's saying, "Help me!"

    Replies: @CorkyAgain, @AndrewR

    Like Kunta Kinte in “Roots” the cat is probably thinking “I can learn to run!”

    No real cat tolerates captivity once they’ve experienced the freedom on the other side of the door.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @CorkyAgain

    Yup. My farm cats are all free cats. They live inside precisely as much as they want to and no more.

    , @AndrewR
    @CorkyAgain

    It depends on the climate. My cat lives outside in the summer but she hibernates in my bed during the colder months. What good is freedom if it means freezing?

  80. @Thomas
    @Not Raul

    Not that I have any great love for business big shots, but it's a mistake to think of Trump as primarily a businessman. I've said this before. Trump is a showman, part of whose shtick is occasionally playing as a businessman (or, for 4 years, a President). That's what he's been most of this century, and that's the key to understanding him and what he does. Think of him as a professional wrestling heel playing on a much bigger stage with a bigger audience. What he does is not about actually accomplishing what he says it is. It's all just to keep people watching and talking about him.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Think of him as a professional wrestling heel playing on a much bigger stage with a bigger audience.

    What are the odds that the greatest kayfabe of all time leads to a Constitutional Crisis? Civil War v 2.0?

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  81. @AnotherDad
    @Muggles


    Alexander the Great, Roman emperors Hadrian and Trajan and likely others are refutations of that.
     
    No they are not, but you'd have to read what i wrote and understand why i wrote it.

    Replies: @Muggles

    I try not to be argumentative here.

    But I read what you wrote (a generic slam about being gay is bad for political leaders) and saw a couple of very old photos of some obscure politicians which I think you are trying to use instead of words, to make an argument.

    So I did read what few words you wrote. I looked at some old and unexplained photos.

    As to “understanding why you wrote it” I’m at a loss. I’m not a mind reader.

    If you can’t bother to explain yourself, we are done.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Muggles

    Fair enough:

    -- Dubious Alexander the Great was a homosexual as we understand that today. But who knows. Don't know enough about the Romans. There's a whole revisionist histography now to run around and say prominent historical figures X, Y, Z gay, gay, gay. Maybe.

    -- My point is certainly not that there have never been homosexual leaders who love their people, culture and have been effective leaders.

    Such leaders have usually come about through some sort of hereditary/dynastic claim, not because the civilization "chose" them--either elected kingship or republican governance. And, of course, it's straightforward to name a bunch of homosexuals who were poor leaders, up to outright disasters.

    ~~

    Here's the point--without wasting time going book length:

    Homosexuals are inherently broken. Broken in the core area of reproduction. They are dead ends--empty twigs off the tree of life.

    And ... the question of reproduction is the core of what leadership of a civilization is about.

    The core mission of a leader to insure the successful propagation of the civilization, its people and culture ... into the future. The reproduction of the civilization.

    Being dead twigs--and how their orientation manifests mentally--the homosexual orientation is very much not future oriented. They are the "live now" and "all about me" people. Lacking that organic connection--and perhaps realizing their brokenness?--they tend toward the hedonistic, the fey, the dissolute. The generic homosexual mentality is the exact opposite of what you want in your leaders.

    I don't think it's some historic accident that we have homosexuality jammed in our face all the time now, while the West is failing to reproduce its people and culture and being invaded. Lack of concern for and connection to future generations, general fecklessness are common to both.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Anonymous, @AndrewR

  82. I’m surprised that no one has guessed Corey has done the Sullivan method: testosterone, to look more masculine.

    If you look up earlier pictures, he looks a lot gayer.

  83. @Bill P
    They both look really gay, but I think when a guy names his cat after a hair product he takes the lead in that department.

    BTW, Mousse has eunuch face. Not his fault, of course, but real toms look a lot more butch than that.

    Replies: @Charon, @Alden, @XRay Manzarek

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @XRay Manzarek

    Toms are the most laid-back, friendliest cats. Just make sure you turn the hose on them if they try pissing on your property. Other than that habit, they are good company for some smoked sprats on rye with lard.

    If you want a good hunter, get a queen, but don't expect a reasonable temperament.

    Replies: @XRay Manzarek

  84. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Cleve Meteen

    Okay. I give up. Are you TD or Corvinus?

    Replies: @anon, @Bard of Bumperstickers

    Corvinus is literate and humorless. Ducky is post-Western Civ textspeak illiterate and daffy: Cleave-Me-Teen-[insert sexual parts reference here].

  85. @James O'Meara
    In other news, the Deep State elite consolidates their grip on power as Trump gives up.

    But, continue to notice important things.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Bard of Bumperstickers

    If we stop snickering about sissies naming their cats “Mousse”, the election stealers win.
    ~ Pres. George Dubya Bush, September 2001 (paraphrased)

  86. @Charon
    @Bill P


    I think when a guy names his cat after a hair product he takes the lead in that department.
     
    You just outed yourself. I assumed that 'mousse' was a reference to a dessert. And the guy is fat after all.

    Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    I thought it was chocolate mousse too, but that too is plenty faggy.

    I had a patron on Park Avenue when in my 20s who lived across from to two rich gays. One of them was Peruvian, started Dean & DeLuca and came over and made this wonderful cheese souffle, speaking of mousses. Mrs. De Rahm was real “Old New York”, and told me privately that she didn’t believe what she’d heard about Felipe and ‘Timmy’, that she found that offensive. Like many of those bored loaded socialites, she also had, at age 75, a gay lover who was 35. I don’t know whether he ‘put out’ or not, but he wrote godawful music. Looking back, I’m embarassed at my hickish ‘oohs and ahhs’ at the couple’s shoe room–at least 400 pair between the two of them. ‘Timmy’ looked at me condescendingly.

    But main thing is they had two Schnauzers named Artichoke and Anchovy.

  87. @J.Ross
    @Muggles

    Frederick the Great was a patriot who happened to be gay and what everyone understands to be meant in the modern context by "gay" are lunatic extreme left-wing activists who want to destroy society and the economy out of rage at their fathers.

    Replies: @Muggles, @RSDB

    what everyone understands to be meant in the modern context by “gay” are lunatic extreme left-wing activists who want to destroy society and the economy out of rage at their fathers

    I guess I’m not part of the “what everyone understands to be meant…” crowd.

    When someone writes a sweeping, vague generalization I expect it to be more than a horror movie cliché. If you actually knew some gay people, you might understand this better.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Muggles

    No, there's a very important dynamic at work, illustrated by a passage in an old book I keep promised to type up. I will do this later tonight. It argues, and its argument is ugly but logical, that the pressures of being in a disdained extreme minority force one into government office and thus influence (even if atomic). So there's gays (who do not necessarily have a political character) and then there's the homosexual takeover of the lower offices of government (which inherently does). There's a "healthy gay," like Frederick or various body building enthusiasts (worryingly, most examples seem to be historical), who cannot be accused of the familiar gay tendency to self-destruction, but obviously we are worried about the latter tendencies.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  88. @S. Anonyia
    @Thomas

    Actually he did better post-2017. He was still listening to neocons at that point. Foreign policy was great the past 2 years, very pragmatic. Economy was also good.

    If you're some kind of one-issue voter obsessed with a wall, maybe he "gave up."

    Replies: @Thomas, @ATBOTL

    Actually he did better post-2017. He was still listening to neocons at that point. Foreign policy was great the past 2 years, very pragmatic. Economy was also good.

    John Bolton was National Security Advisor until last September. That’s a pretty big neocon.

    Incidentally, speaking of neocons, I don’t know if anyone has noticed yet, but every Cabinet nominee Biden has named so far plus his Chief of Staff are members of the Tribe. And they called Trump “ZOGnald.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/biden-cabinet-nominees/

    • Agree: Not Raul
  89. @Muggles
    @AnotherDad


    A healthy civilization does not let queers run the joint. Prance and dance around in their own little world–ok. Actually lead anything, much less be political leaders–no.
     
    Alexander the Great, Roman emperors Hadrian and Trajan and likely others are refutations of that.

    Wasn't German king Frederick the Great also gay?

    While this isn't likely an asset for political leadership, there are many known (and larger numbers of unknown) gay political and military leaders. Past and present. G. Washington's German general Von Steuben, who drilled the ragtag Continental Army into an effective field army, was gay.

    It is a serious flaw in thinking to denigrate those who fit in different boxes than you do. It is a common human failing. Seen too often here on Unz comments.

    Hitler, Stalin and Mao weren't gay. They led not-so-"healthy" civilizations, no?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @John Up North, @Art Deco, @Eric Novak, @Cloudbuster

    Hitler, Stalin and Mao weren’t gay.

    • Replies: @John Up North
    @Reg Cæsar

    Lederhosen and kilts make any guy look gay.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    , @duncsbaby
    @Reg Cæsar

    "The bath house is just to my right."

  90. @Muggles
    @J.Ross


    what everyone understands to be meant in the modern context by “gay” are lunatic extreme left-wing activists who want to destroy society and the economy out of rage at their fathers
     
    I guess I'm not part of the "what everyone understands to be meant..." crowd.

    When someone writes a sweeping, vague generalization I expect it to be more than a horror movie cliché. If you actually knew some gay people, you might understand this better.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    No, there’s a very important dynamic at work, illustrated by a passage in an old book I keep promised to type up. I will do this later tonight. It argues, and its argument is ugly but logical, that the pressures of being in a disdained extreme minority force one into government office and thus influence (even if atomic). So there’s gays (who do not necessarily have a political character) and then there’s the homosexual takeover of the lower offices of government (which inherently does). There’s a “healthy gay,” like Frederick or various body building enthusiasts (worryingly, most examples seem to be historical), who cannot be accused of the familiar gay tendency to self-destruction, but obviously we are worried about the latter tendencies.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @J.Ross

    Follow-up to this: I have misspoken and will type it up later. The book is Washington Confidential if you want to look into it separately.

  91. @AnotherDad
    @Thomas


    One month. And that was after he had just lost the House, so it was hopeless anyway. Like I said, just part of the show. If he had been really serious, shelving the Republicans’ tax cut until they passed the wall would’ve been how to do it.
     
    Did not have to "shelve" the tax cut, just insisted that his core promises--including the Wall--was part of the deal. And really he needed mandatory E-verify and H1-B and refugee clamp down as well.

    Also he needed to just *do* his executive orders on day one. End DACA, end all the TPS nonsense, etc. etc.

    I disagree that Trump was all show. He actually seemed to want to build the Wall and got around to getting it going. I saw a bunch of the new wall visiting friends in San Diego a couple years ago--it's good.

    But Trump just was not organized, was easily rolled by "experienced" politicos, was easily distracted, made terrible appointments, was disloyal to the few true Trumpists in his administration and nepotistically appointed a non-Trumpist Jewish Democrat as his political advisor. Very disappointing performance from a guy who claims to understand "The Art of the Deal" and to be a "businessman".

    And then his inability to coherently communicate critical ideas ...

    Replies: @dfordoom, @bomag

    I disagree that Trump was all show. He actually seemed to want to build the Wall and got around to getting it going. I saw a bunch of the new wall visiting friends in San Diego a couple years ago–it’s good.

    How long do you think it will be before the wall gets demolished?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @dfordoom

    Speaking to Hispanic journalists during the campaign, Bernie Sanders said he "would certainly consider" tearing down those sections of wall that currently exist.

  92. The cat ran away. Mousse?
    The mice just wouldn’t let that go.

    Maybe it’s “Moose” and Twitter spellchecked it up.

  93. @Muggles
    @AnotherDad


    A healthy civilization does not let queers run the joint. Prance and dance around in their own little world–ok. Actually lead anything, much less be political leaders–no.
     
    Alexander the Great, Roman emperors Hadrian and Trajan and likely others are refutations of that.

    Wasn't German king Frederick the Great also gay?

    While this isn't likely an asset for political leadership, there are many known (and larger numbers of unknown) gay political and military leaders. Past and present. G. Washington's German general Von Steuben, who drilled the ragtag Continental Army into an effective field army, was gay.

    It is a serious flaw in thinking to denigrate those who fit in different boxes than you do. It is a common human failing. Seen too often here on Unz comments.

    Hitler, Stalin and Mao weren't gay. They led not-so-"healthy" civilizations, no?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @John Up North, @Art Deco, @Eric Novak, @Cloudbuster

    Richard the Lionheart was supposed to have been gay.

  94. I’m convinced both of my wife’s cats are closeted…..

  95. @Muggles
    @AnotherDad


    A healthy civilization does not let queers run the joint. Prance and dance around in their own little world–ok. Actually lead anything, much less be political leaders–no.
     
    Alexander the Great, Roman emperors Hadrian and Trajan and likely others are refutations of that.

    Wasn't German king Frederick the Great also gay?

    While this isn't likely an asset for political leadership, there are many known (and larger numbers of unknown) gay political and military leaders. Past and present. G. Washington's German general Von Steuben, who drilled the ragtag Continental Army into an effective field army, was gay.

    It is a serious flaw in thinking to denigrate those who fit in different boxes than you do. It is a common human failing. Seen too often here on Unz comments.

    Hitler, Stalin and Mao weren't gay. They led not-so-"healthy" civilizations, no?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @John Up North, @Art Deco, @Eric Novak, @Cloudbuster

    Ernst Roehm was an admitted homosexual. Hitler himself was a childless bachelor and physically repulsive.

    • Replies: @fnn
    @Art Deco

    Based on her Desert Island Discs interview, Diana, Lady Mosley didn't find him physically repulsive. Are you more representative of womanhood than she was? Maybe so.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  96. @Reg Cæsar
    @Muggles


    Hitler, Stalin and Mao weren’t gay.
     
    https://www.worldlifestyle.com/content/111266/88d51fefe7adbba1347018f0dc0efec2.jpg

    Replies: @John Up North, @duncsbaby

    Lederhosen and kilts make any guy look gay.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @John Up North


    Lederhosen and kilts make any guy look gay.
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/09/b7/31/09b7317fa031b78a71760e90bfb08d98.jpg

    Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    , @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race
    @John Up North

    No they don't. You should see NYC's St. Patrick's Day Parade, all these red-faced guys half out of breath from having to march and blow tubas with a Guinness hangover...they do NOT look gay in their green kilts.

    I wouldn't ever wear a kilt myself though, I don't think they look gay but it would feel like wearing a skirt and I wouldn't like that. I definitely would wear lederhosen and they look German-butch, not gay. What's the matter with you? Hitler looks like absolute shit in his unclean lederhosen, and I bet his stupid moustache would always be full of...mucus membrane....

  97. @prosa123
    Corey Johnson has been openly gay since he was in high school.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    What hits you is that being a homosexual is his profession. He seems to have little employment history other than public office and working for NGOs which have something to do with homosexuality. He’s also had no vocational training of any kind. His education ended 20 years ago after one semester in college. In his mundane life, he’s been sufficiently careless over the years that he’s ended up HIV+. HIV is a great deal less prevalent among homosexual and bisexual men than it was a generation ago and perhaps 15% of that set are infected nowadays.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Art Deco


    HIV is a great deal less prevalent among homosexual and bisexual men than it was a generation ago and perhaps 15% of that set are infected nowadays.
     
    How much of this reduction in HIV is the result of prophylactic drugs, such as "PrEP"/Truvada, that have achieved widespread usage among the demographic-in-question* in recent years? And how much of the exorbitant cost of these drugs is, in one or more ways, born by the overwhelming majority of the population who do not engage in the extremely high-risk, voluntary behaviors that account for the staggeringly disproportionately high rates of HIV (as well as other sexually-transmitted diseases and infections) among said subset* of the general population?

    *i.e. buggering-Americans; individuals, organizations and communities who assert an inalienable right to act as if an anatomical structure that is exclusively purposed and suited for fecal elimination is suitable for use as a substitute for the female copulatory orifice.

    There is a simple means of preventing HIV (as well as a whole host of other serious, often lethal diseases) that is FAR more effective than any pharmaceutical, with none of the risks, adverse-effects, or costs: Simply avoiding inordinately high-risk behaviors such as anal penetration and anal-oral contact.

    For the interested reader, the latest summation of my proposal for a comprehensive, practical, compassionate, multi-pronged response to individuals afflicted with exclusive same-sex attraction can be found in this comment of mine from last month.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  98. @Not Raul
    @Thomas

    Trump never “gave up”. He’s always been loud, lazy, impulsive, entitled, and a legend in his own mind.

    I had hoped that his presidency would educate the American people about the stupidity and laziness of business big shots, and that they would finally realize that the wealthy didn’t get that way by being better than working class people; but they’re already too brainwashed to get past their confirmation bias.

    Replies: @WJ, @Thomas, @Art Deco

    He’s always been loud, lazy, impulsive,

    That lazy man keeps up a schedule which would exhaust an ordinary man half his age.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Art Deco


    That lazy man keeps up a schedule which would exhaust an ordinary man half his age.
     
    I guess it would be exhausting to play so much golf, and spend so much time on Twitter. How does he find time to sleep?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Art Deco

  99. Anyone remember what Carleton Conn had to say about the round-headed Alpines”

  100. @Art Deco
    @Muggles

    Ernst Roehm was an admitted homosexual. Hitler himself was a childless bachelor and physically repulsive.

    Replies: @fnn

    Based on her Desert Island Discs interview, Diana, Lady Mosley didn’t find him physically repulsive. Are you more representative of womanhood than she was? Maybe so.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @fnn

    See articles on his tooth decay and the implications thereof, as well as how his diet affected his digestion.

  101. @DCThrowback
    @Anon

    which is why the hunter biden laptop HAD to be suppressed so ruthlessly

    there's an argument that it came out too late as some folks had already early voted when it was very clearly a "needle-moving" reveal

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    Victor Davis Hanson says that Bannon and Giuliani erred badly in waiting so long to reveal it.

  102. How did Daragh O’Malley keep a straight face in this?:

  103. @J.Ross
    @Muggles

    No, there's a very important dynamic at work, illustrated by a passage in an old book I keep promised to type up. I will do this later tonight. It argues, and its argument is ugly but logical, that the pressures of being in a disdained extreme minority force one into government office and thus influence (even if atomic). So there's gays (who do not necessarily have a political character) and then there's the homosexual takeover of the lower offices of government (which inherently does). There's a "healthy gay," like Frederick or various body building enthusiasts (worryingly, most examples seem to be historical), who cannot be accused of the familiar gay tendency to self-destruction, but obviously we are worried about the latter tendencies.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Follow-up to this: I have misspoken and will type it up later. The book is Washington Confidential if you want to look into it separately.

  104. @John Up North
    @Reg Cæsar

    Lederhosen and kilts make any guy look gay.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    Lederhosen and kilts make any guy look gay.

    • Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't think they look gay at all. They're just handsome, look like aristocrats. I don't much like the look of kilts, including on Prince Charles, but the lederhosen this guy has on look really good. But the other guy's jacket and vest are better. I don't think of lederhosen as 'dressing up', but then I don't know much about it. Some kind of embroidered but outdoorsy shirt without buttons would look better. Could be very Wagnerian, with those great tough-looking boots on the right --but I bet Louis XIV would have worn those too-frilly boots on the left--they look like something somebody from Lichtgenstein or Luxembourg would wear, maybe Vienna, but I don't think a kilt is for Viennese balls-the men have to be magnificently formal, and the women in long white dresses and long gloves, all of them blonde and discreetly busty.

  105. @John Up North
    @Reg Cæsar

    Lederhosen and kilts make any guy look gay.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    No they don’t. You should see NYC’s St. Patrick’s Day Parade, all these red-faced guys half out of breath from having to march and blow tubas with a Guinness hangover…they do NOT look gay in their green kilts.

    I wouldn’t ever wear a kilt myself though, I don’t think they look gay but it would feel like wearing a skirt and I wouldn’t like that. I definitely would wear lederhosen and they look German-butch, not gay. What’s the matter with you? Hitler looks like absolute shit in his unclean lederhosen, and I bet his stupid moustache would always be full of…mucus membrane….

  106. @Reg Cæsar
    @John Up North


    Lederhosen and kilts make any guy look gay.
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/09/b7/31/09b7317fa031b78a71760e90bfb08d98.jpg

    Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    I don’t think they look gay at all. They’re just handsome, look like aristocrats. I don’t much like the look of kilts, including on Prince Charles, but the lederhosen this guy has on look really good. But the other guy’s jacket and vest are better. I don’t think of lederhosen as ‘dressing up’, but then I don’t know much about it. Some kind of embroidered but outdoorsy shirt without buttons would look better. Could be very Wagnerian, with those great tough-looking boots on the right –but I bet Louis XIV would have worn those too-frilly boots on the left–they look like something somebody from Lichtgenstein or Luxembourg would wear, maybe Vienna, but I don’t think a kilt is for Viennese balls-the men have to be magnificently formal, and the women in long white dresses and long gloves, all of them blonde and discreetly busty.

  107. @XRay Manzarek
    @Bill P

    https://cat-world.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/stud-jowls-on-entire-male-cats.jpg

    Replies: @Bill P

    Toms are the most laid-back, friendliest cats. Just make sure you turn the hose on them if they try pissing on your property. Other than that habit, they are good company for some smoked sprats on rye with lard.

    If you want a good hunter, get a queen, but don’t expect a reasonable temperament.

    • Replies: @XRay Manzarek
    @Bill P

    But if they piss on your property, it means you and he are buds for life.

    Anyway, there's nothing more masculine than an intact tom.

  108. @Muggles
    @AnotherDad


    A healthy civilization does not let queers run the joint. Prance and dance around in their own little world–ok. Actually lead anything, much less be political leaders–no.
     
    Alexander the Great, Roman emperors Hadrian and Trajan and likely others are refutations of that.

    Wasn't German king Frederick the Great also gay?

    While this isn't likely an asset for political leadership, there are many known (and larger numbers of unknown) gay political and military leaders. Past and present. G. Washington's German general Von Steuben, who drilled the ragtag Continental Army into an effective field army, was gay.

    It is a serious flaw in thinking to denigrate those who fit in different boxes than you do. It is a common human failing. Seen too often here on Unz comments.

    Hitler, Stalin and Mao weren't gay. They led not-so-"healthy" civilizations, no?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @John Up North, @Art Deco, @Eric Novak, @Cloudbuster

    Let’s not forget Ernst Rohm…

  109. @Anonymous Jew
    What happened to the AI that could distinguish gay from straight male faces? Or was that discussion banned? Maybe they’re now working to tell the right wingers apart.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    I remember having heard of facial recognition software that could make a pretty good guess as to whether you’re liberal or conservative. I feel like I can do that too, not always, but probably about as well as I can tell gay from straight.

  110. @dfordoom
    @AnotherDad


    I disagree that Trump was all show. He actually seemed to want to build the Wall and got around to getting it going. I saw a bunch of the new wall visiting friends in San Diego a couple years ago–it’s good.
     
    How long do you think it will be before the wall gets demolished?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Speaking to Hispanic journalists during the campaign, Bernie Sanders said he “would certainly consider” tearing down those sections of wall that currently exist.

  111. @AnotherDad
    @Thomas


    One month. And that was after he had just lost the House, so it was hopeless anyway. Like I said, just part of the show. If he had been really serious, shelving the Republicans’ tax cut until they passed the wall would’ve been how to do it.
     
    Did not have to "shelve" the tax cut, just insisted that his core promises--including the Wall--was part of the deal. And really he needed mandatory E-verify and H1-B and refugee clamp down as well.

    Also he needed to just *do* his executive orders on day one. End DACA, end all the TPS nonsense, etc. etc.

    I disagree that Trump was all show. He actually seemed to want to build the Wall and got around to getting it going. I saw a bunch of the new wall visiting friends in San Diego a couple years ago--it's good.

    But Trump just was not organized, was easily rolled by "experienced" politicos, was easily distracted, made terrible appointments, was disloyal to the few true Trumpists in his administration and nepotistically appointed a non-Trumpist Jewish Democrat as his political advisor. Very disappointing performance from a guy who claims to understand "The Art of the Deal" and to be a "businessman".

    And then his inability to coherently communicate critical ideas ...

    Replies: @dfordoom, @bomag

    And then his inability to coherently communicate critical ideas …

    I thought he was an exceptional communicator; Twitter and his rallies, etc.

    But Trump just was not organized

    He’s more of a strategic thinker; a big idea man who has others fill in the details. But in DC there was no infrastructure for him, no “bench”; the media, courts, and permanent bureaucracy worked against him in a turbocharged way.

    I suppose he should have seen this and adjusted, but one goes to war with the army you have.

  112. @Cleve Meteen
    1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mulegino1, @Redneck farmer, @Cato, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Alfa158, @Anon 2, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @tyrone, @Richard B, @MEH 0910, @Cloudbuster, @Adam Smith

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @MEH 0910

    Wow, where does Scotland get the money for that? and what's to keep enterprising merchants from grabbing up the products and selling them elsewhere? It's not like you'll need to be an actual woman of the right age to claim you need this stuff.

  113. @MEH 0910
    @Cleve Meteen

    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1331325866224340995

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    Wow, where does Scotland get the money for that? and what’s to keep enterprising merchants from grabbing up the products and selling them elsewhere? It’s not like you’ll need to be an actual woman of the right age to claim you need this stuff.

  114. @Bill P
    @XRay Manzarek

    Toms are the most laid-back, friendliest cats. Just make sure you turn the hose on them if they try pissing on your property. Other than that habit, they are good company for some smoked sprats on rye with lard.

    If you want a good hunter, get a queen, but don't expect a reasonable temperament.

    Replies: @XRay Manzarek

    But if they piss on your property, it means you and he are buds for life.

    Anyway, there’s nothing more masculine than an intact tom.

  115. @RichardTaylor
    Obviously the cat guy. It's interesting that you can look at a lot of guys and get a sense of whether they're gay or not.

    Often it's more about their facial expressions. Not exactly the face itself.

    Andrew Sullivan talks and moves in a dramatic, effeminate manner. Would he look gay just from a picture? Hard to say. If he held a normal masculine countenance, probably not.

    Replies: @NickG, @XRay Manzarek

    Some Americans would think that Roger Daltrey looks and moves in an effeminate manner.

    Roger still had kids coming out of the woodwork. I think he’s up to four extra offspring at this point, and I wouldn’t say he’s down for the count yet.

  116. @Cleve Meteen
    1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mulegino1, @Redneck farmer, @Cato, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Alfa158, @Anon 2, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @tyrone, @Richard B, @MEH 0910, @Cloudbuster, @Adam Smith

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    That will be a sad day for house gin. At least, I’m going to assume that’s what you meant, and that Discrimtaory is some off brand gin I haven’t heard of.

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    Dude, they *own* the table.

  117. @CorkyAgain
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Like Kunta Kinte in "Roots" the cat is probably thinking "I can learn to run!"

    No real cat tolerates captivity once they've experienced the freedom on the other side of the door.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @AndrewR

    Yup. My farm cats are all free cats. They live inside precisely as much as they want to and no more.

  118. @Muggles
    @AnotherDad


    A healthy civilization does not let queers run the joint. Prance and dance around in their own little world–ok. Actually lead anything, much less be political leaders–no.
     
    Alexander the Great, Roman emperors Hadrian and Trajan and likely others are refutations of that.

    Wasn't German king Frederick the Great also gay?

    While this isn't likely an asset for political leadership, there are many known (and larger numbers of unknown) gay political and military leaders. Past and present. G. Washington's German general Von Steuben, who drilled the ragtag Continental Army into an effective field army, was gay.

    It is a serious flaw in thinking to denigrate those who fit in different boxes than you do. It is a common human failing. Seen too often here on Unz comments.

    Hitler, Stalin and Mao weren't gay. They led not-so-"healthy" civilizations, no?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Reg Cæsar, @John Up North, @Art Deco, @Eric Novak, @Cloudbuster

    I’m of the opinion that a lot of the identification of historical figures, especially ancient historical figures, as gay is simply revisionism combined with an enthusiasm to push people into 20th and 21st century boxes they simply don’t fit within.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Cloudbuster

    You are entitled to your opinion of course.

    But my historical references were not based on some agenda as you seem to think. If you bother to read well researched biographies of the ancient Roman emperors (Trajan, Hadrian, several others including one who seemed to be legitimately transgender) based on contemporary or near contemporary sources you will find what I suggested well documented. These are scholars and most of the work on this appeared well before the current Gay Rights crusades.

    Homosexuality was not illegal or even (necessarily) opposed by the general cultural/religious views in ancient Rome, Greece and other places. That came with the spread of Christianity which was opposed to that practice, which in Christian cultures eventually became illegal.

    I have also read more recent military histories re: Frederick the Great and Von Steuben (two others I mentioned) and their sexuality was pretty well documented by contemporaries. Military History magazine also runs many bios and when relevant does address this. There was an entire elite band of warriors from Greek city state Thebes (the Sacred Band) made up of gay warrior couples. They eventually all were wiped out in a major battle defeat. This arrangement seems to be historically unique.

    None of this should surprise you. Homosexuality isn't new. Cultural/religious views on homosexuality vary differently over time and place. It isn't usually seen as an asset for leadership but in many past situations didn't appear to create any special problems.

    Replies: @Dissident

  119. @Cleve Meteen
    1. conservatives are gettiing doxed and run out of the public sphere daily

    2. AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scared

    3. liberals are finding out where conservatives live and holding them accoiuntable for what they say

    4. the media is all in for liberalism

    5. Biden will open the borders

    6. white privilege and white supremacy will be taught in public schools

    7. statues will come down

    8. hate speech laws will be passed

    9. guns will be confiscated

    10. new laws will eliminate wealth disapairty

    11. Jewish people will finally have a seat at the table

    12. white terrorists will be persecuted

    13. Kyle Rittenhouse will be jailed for life

    14. Kamala Harris will put the kibosh on hate speech and hate thoughts

    15. the supremne court will be packed

    16. white supremacy will be outlawed

    17. racism will be outlawed

    18. russia will be dealt with

    19. discrimtaory housgin will be abolished

    20. we will end covid through science and lockdowns

    Dang its a good day to be progressive!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mulegino1, @Redneck farmer, @Cato, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Alfa158, @Anon 2, @Mr. Anon, @Colin Wright, @kaganovitch, @tyrone, @Richard B, @MEH 0910, @Cloudbuster, @Adam Smith

    21. Men of Colour always nail the hottest white chicks

    22. white “men” will be held acountable for their actions

    23. white christians will be outlawed

    24. ALL PEOPLE OF COLOR AGREEE

    They wouldnt do this unless the reseach and acadmic ctudy has notbeenn duly and thoruoiogoy investignated

    These white tears are delicious!

    • LOL: MEH 0910
  120. @Muggles
    @AnotherDad

    I try not to be argumentative here.

    But I read what you wrote (a generic slam about being gay is bad for political leaders) and saw a couple of very old photos of some obscure politicians which I think you are trying to use instead of words, to make an argument.

    So I did read what few words you wrote. I looked at some old and unexplained photos.

    As to "understanding why you wrote it" I'm at a loss. I'm not a mind reader.

    If you can't bother to explain yourself, we are done.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Fair enough:

    — Dubious Alexander the Great was a homosexual as we understand that today. But who knows. Don’t know enough about the Romans. There’s a whole revisionist histography now to run around and say prominent historical figures X, Y, Z gay, gay, gay. Maybe.

    — My point is certainly not that there have never been homosexual leaders who love their people, culture and have been effective leaders.

    Such leaders have usually come about through some sort of hereditary/dynastic claim, not because the civilization “chose” them–either elected kingship or republican governance. And, of course, it’s straightforward to name a bunch of homosexuals who were poor leaders, up to outright disasters.

    ~~

    Here’s the point–without wasting time going book length:

    Homosexuals are inherently broken. Broken in the core area of reproduction. They are dead ends–empty twigs off the tree of life.

    And … the question of reproduction is the core of what leadership of a civilization is about.

    The core mission of a leader to insure the successful propagation of the civilization, its people and culture … into the future. The reproduction of the civilization.

    Being dead twigs–and how their orientation manifests mentally–the homosexual orientation is very much not future oriented. They are the “live now” and “all about me” people. Lacking that organic connection–and perhaps realizing their brokenness?–they tend toward the hedonistic, the fey, the dissolute. The generic homosexual mentality is the exact opposite of what you want in your leaders.

    I don’t think it’s some historic accident that we have homosexuality jammed in our face all the time now, while the West is failing to reproduce its people and culture and being invaded. Lack of concern for and connection to future generations, general fecklessness are common to both.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @AnotherDad


    Homosexuals are inherently broken. Broken in the core area of reproduction. They are dead ends–empty twigs off the tree of life.

    And … the question of reproduction is the core of what leadership of a civilization is about.
     
    You appear to have an elaborate quasi biological basis for your homophobia.

    "Leadership" isn't about biological reproduction by leaders. Many great leaders were childless for various reasons (e.g. G. Washington). And hereditary rulers/leaders of the past would often "marry" into other leadership families or ruling elites for political reasons. The ones who were gay usually adopted nephews or cousins, or children from family friends.

    Until very modern times biological child survival was hit and miss. Even those who had children often had no (male) survivors. Rarely were women able to follow in leadership like the male offspring.

    If your general point is that if a "civilization" as you call it becomes predominately homosexual then it may fail to reproduce in adequate numbers. That has never occurred (being gay remains a small percentage). Some gay men also marry and father children, or become gay later in life.

    In the case of the Roman emperors, there were elaborate laws and customs regarding family life of Roman citizens and regardless of the personal imperial proclivities, families and children were protected and cherished. Today gay couples adopt or have surrogates for biological children.

    Yes, certain aspects of contemporary American "gay culture" are in-your-face and promote promiscuity. This is mainly a phase for the very young. RuPaul & Co. are entertainers and media promoters. I don't support special "rights" or privileges for any sub group, gays included.

    But you seem to be fearful of largely imaginary problems. Deranged left feminism (male hating) seems more a threat to reproduction than homosexuality. Mankind has managed to reproduce to now billions of people, despite constant warfare and governmental genocides. Those are things to worry about, for real.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    — Dubious Alexander the Great was a homosexual as we understand that today. But who knows. Don’t know enough about the Romans. There’s a whole revisionist histography now to run around and say prominent historical figures X, Y, Z gay, gay, gay. Maybe.

     

    Alexander and the others were homosexuals in the same way there are homosexuals nowadays. They we people that felt sexual desires for their own sex. Simply that.
    From Athenaeus's The Deipnosophists :

    “King Alexander also was madly devoted to boys. Dicaearchus, at any rate, in his book On the Sacrifice at Ilium says d that he was so overcome with love for the eunuch Bagoas that, in full view of the entire theatre, he, bending over, caressed Bagoas fondly, and when the audience clapped and shouted in applause, he, nothing loath, again bent over and kissed him. But Carystius in Historical Notes says " Charon of Chalcis had a beautiful boy who was dear to him. But when Alexander, at a drinking-party in the house of Craterus, praised the boy, Charon bade him kiss Alexander; and Alexander said, ' Not so ! For that will not delight me so much as it will pain you.' For, passionate as this king was, he was in like measure self-controlled when it came to the observance of decency and the best form.”
    https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/pwh/athenaeus13.asp

    There aren’t so clear historical evidences of homosexuality for people like Edward II. But he was so incompetent, that no one challenges how gay he was.

    Being dead twigs–and how their orientation manifests mentally–the homosexual orientation is very much not future oriented. They are the “live now” and “all about me” people. Lacking that organic connection–and perhaps realizing their brokenness?–they tend toward the hedonistic, the fey, the dissolute. The generic homosexual mentality is the exact opposite of what you want in your leaders.

     

    Reproduction was a duty in the past which doesn’t exist anymore. Something that men and women needed to do, being heterosexual or homosexual. In your posts about the matter, there are a clear negative animus against homosexuals. It’s obvious that careerist and selfisih heterosexual couples are much more responsible for the future decline of the white race. And I don't see any effort from you about their bad behavior, which have overwhelming larger negative consequences than 2% of the population that is homosexual.

    Replies: @Marty, @Dissident

    , @AndrewR
    @AnotherDad

    Why did Hitler never have kids?

    The lack of concern for future generations is not exclusive to homosexuals, and it's related to the lack of connection to past generations, and to one's living kin. Industrialization and liberalism atomize us.

    But I will point out that the often-hysterical obsession over climate change among leftists does suggest some sort of concern for future generations.

    Replies: @Muggles

  121. @Cloudbuster
    @Muggles

    I'm of the opinion that a lot of the identification of historical figures, especially ancient historical figures, as gay is simply revisionism combined with an enthusiasm to push people into 20th and 21st century boxes they simply don't fit within.

    Replies: @Muggles

    You are entitled to your opinion of course.

    But my historical references were not based on some agenda as you seem to think. If you bother to read well researched biographies of the ancient Roman emperors (Trajan, Hadrian, several others including one who seemed to be legitimately transgender) based on contemporary or near contemporary sources you will find what I suggested well documented. These are scholars and most of the work on this appeared well before the current Gay Rights crusades.

    Homosexuality was not illegal or even (necessarily) opposed by the general cultural/religious views in ancient Rome, Greece and other places. That came with the spread of Christianity which was opposed to that practice, which in Christian cultures eventually became illegal.

    I have also read more recent military histories re: Frederick the Great and Von Steuben (two others I mentioned) and their sexuality was pretty well documented by contemporaries. Military History magazine also runs many bios and when relevant does address this. There was an entire elite band of warriors from Greek city state Thebes (the Sacred Band) made up of gay warrior couples. They eventually all were wiped out in a major battle defeat. This arrangement seems to be historically unique.

    None of this should surprise you. Homosexuality isn’t new. Cultural/religious views on homosexuality vary differently over time and place. It isn’t usually seen as an asset for leadership but in many past situations didn’t appear to create any special problems.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Muggles


    Homosexuality was not illegal or even (necessarily) opposed by the general cultural/religious views in ancient Rome, Greece and other places.
     
    Assuming what you assert concerning the societies-in-question is true in so far as homosexuality, per se is concerned, we are still left with a number of critical questions concerning them, including the following.

    1.) Were no specific acts (such as anal penetration) or behaviors ever subject-to restriction?

    2.) To what extent was homosexuality, in any form, normalized, promoted, or extolled? Was any form of homosexuality ever dogmatically or officially declared to be fully-equivalent to and in no way less wholesome than heterosexuality? As superior?

    3.) How much, if any, historical precedent exists for the modern phenomenon of an individual defining himself/ basing his primary identity upon his sexual proclivities? Of homosexual or an equivalent term having wide usage not just as an adjective or adverb, but also as a noun?

  122. @AnotherDad
    @Muggles

    Fair enough:

    -- Dubious Alexander the Great was a homosexual as we understand that today. But who knows. Don't know enough about the Romans. There's a whole revisionist histography now to run around and say prominent historical figures X, Y, Z gay, gay, gay. Maybe.

    -- My point is certainly not that there have never been homosexual leaders who love their people, culture and have been effective leaders.

    Such leaders have usually come about through some sort of hereditary/dynastic claim, not because the civilization "chose" them--either elected kingship or republican governance. And, of course, it's straightforward to name a bunch of homosexuals who were poor leaders, up to outright disasters.

    ~~

    Here's the point--without wasting time going book length:

    Homosexuals are inherently broken. Broken in the core area of reproduction. They are dead ends--empty twigs off the tree of life.

    And ... the question of reproduction is the core of what leadership of a civilization is about.

    The core mission of a leader to insure the successful propagation of the civilization, its people and culture ... into the future. The reproduction of the civilization.

    Being dead twigs--and how their orientation manifests mentally--the homosexual orientation is very much not future oriented. They are the "live now" and "all about me" people. Lacking that organic connection--and perhaps realizing their brokenness?--they tend toward the hedonistic, the fey, the dissolute. The generic homosexual mentality is the exact opposite of what you want in your leaders.

    I don't think it's some historic accident that we have homosexuality jammed in our face all the time now, while the West is failing to reproduce its people and culture and being invaded. Lack of concern for and connection to future generations, general fecklessness are common to both.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Anonymous, @AndrewR

    Homosexuals are inherently broken. Broken in the core area of reproduction. They are dead ends–empty twigs off the tree of life.

    And … the question of reproduction is the core of what leadership of a civilization is about.

    You appear to have an elaborate quasi biological basis for your homophobia.

    “Leadership” isn’t about biological reproduction by leaders. Many great leaders were childless for various reasons (e.g. G. Washington). And hereditary rulers/leaders of the past would often “marry” into other leadership families or ruling elites for political reasons. The ones who were gay usually adopted nephews or cousins, or children from family friends.

    Until very modern times biological child survival was hit and miss. Even those who had children often had no (male) survivors. Rarely were women able to follow in leadership like the male offspring.

    If your general point is that if a “civilization” as you call it becomes predominately homosexual then it may fail to reproduce in adequate numbers. That has never occurred (being gay remains a small percentage). Some gay men also marry and father children, or become gay later in life.

    In the case of the Roman emperors, there were elaborate laws and customs regarding family life of Roman citizens and regardless of the personal imperial proclivities, families and children were protected and cherished. Today gay couples adopt or have surrogates for biological children.

    Yes, certain aspects of contemporary American “gay culture” are in-your-face and promote promiscuity. This is mainly a phase for the very young. RuPaul & Co. are entertainers and media promoters. I don’t support special “rights” or privileges for any sub group, gays included.

    But you seem to be fearful of largely imaginary problems. Deranged left feminism (male hating) seems more a threat to reproduction than homosexuality. Mankind has managed to reproduce to now billions of people, despite constant warfare and governmental genocides. Those are things to worry about, for real.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Muggles

    Yet more pilpul.

    "The problem isn't the one you discuss, it is your need to discuss it. Let us go into your shortcomings at length".

    Boring, man.

  123. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Muggles

    Fair enough:

    -- Dubious Alexander the Great was a homosexual as we understand that today. But who knows. Don't know enough about the Romans. There's a whole revisionist histography now to run around and say prominent historical figures X, Y, Z gay, gay, gay. Maybe.

    -- My point is certainly not that there have never been homosexual leaders who love their people, culture and have been effective leaders.

    Such leaders have usually come about through some sort of hereditary/dynastic claim, not because the civilization "chose" them--either elected kingship or republican governance. And, of course, it's straightforward to name a bunch of homosexuals who were poor leaders, up to outright disasters.

    ~~

    Here's the point--without wasting time going book length:

    Homosexuals are inherently broken. Broken in the core area of reproduction. They are dead ends--empty twigs off the tree of life.

    And ... the question of reproduction is the core of what leadership of a civilization is about.

    The core mission of a leader to insure the successful propagation of the civilization, its people and culture ... into the future. The reproduction of the civilization.

    Being dead twigs--and how their orientation manifests mentally--the homosexual orientation is very much not future oriented. They are the "live now" and "all about me" people. Lacking that organic connection--and perhaps realizing their brokenness?--they tend toward the hedonistic, the fey, the dissolute. The generic homosexual mentality is the exact opposite of what you want in your leaders.

    I don't think it's some historic accident that we have homosexuality jammed in our face all the time now, while the West is failing to reproduce its people and culture and being invaded. Lack of concern for and connection to future generations, general fecklessness are common to both.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Anonymous, @AndrewR

    — Dubious Alexander the Great was a homosexual as we understand that today. But who knows. Don’t know enough about the Romans. There’s a whole revisionist histography now to run around and say prominent historical figures X, Y, Z gay, gay, gay. Maybe.

    Alexander and the others were homosexuals in the same way there are homosexuals nowadays. They we people that felt sexual desires for their own sex. Simply that.
    From Athenaeus’s The Deipnosophists :

    “King Alexander also was madly devoted to boys. Dicaearchus, at any rate, in his book On the Sacrifice at Ilium says d that he was so overcome with love for the eunuch Bagoas that, in full view of the entire theatre, he, bending over, caressed Bagoas fondly, and when the audience clapped and shouted in applause, he, nothing loath, again bent over and kissed him. But Carystius in Historical Notes says ” Charon of Chalcis had a beautiful boy who was dear to him. But when Alexander, at a drinking-party in the house of Craterus, praised the boy, Charon bade him kiss Alexander; and Alexander said, ‘ Not so ! For that will not delight me so much as it will pain you.’ For, passionate as this king was, he was in like measure self-controlled when it came to the observance of decency and the best form.”
    https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/pwh/athenaeus13.asp

    There aren’t so clear historical evidences of homosexuality for people like Edward II. But he was so incompetent, that no one challenges how gay he was.

    Being dead twigs–and how their orientation manifests mentally–the homosexual orientation is very much not future oriented. They are the “live now” and “all about me” people. Lacking that organic connection–and perhaps realizing their brokenness?–they tend toward the hedonistic, the fey, the dissolute. The generic homosexual mentality is the exact opposite of what you want in your leaders.

    Reproduction was a duty in the past which doesn’t exist anymore. Something that men and women needed to do, being heterosexual or homosexual. In your posts about the matter, there are a clear negative animus against homosexuals. It’s obvious that careerist and selfisih heterosexual couples are much more responsible for the future decline of the white race. And I don’t see any effort from you about their bad behavior, which have overwhelming larger negative consequences than 2% of the population that is homosexual.

    • Replies: @Marty
    @Anonymous

    You’re young. The worst “consequence” for the wider society since 1980 has been the elimination of freedom of conscience/freedom to speak one’s mind. The driver for that was AIDS - the need to avoid stigmatizing queers. No aspect of the “selfish heterosexual” life since that time even approaches said loss in importance.

    , @Dissident
    @Anonymous


    Alexander and the others were homosexuals in the same way there are homosexuals nowadays.
     
    Did Alexander The Great or any of the historical figures to whom you refer identify or define themselves based upon their sexuality (whether mere proclivities or actual behaviors)? See my previous comment, made in reply to "Muggles".

    They [were] people that felt sexual desires for their own sex. Simply that.
     
    Not so simple at all.

    First, what you describe above are involuntary feelings. They are deceptively, strategically conflated with voluntary behavior and ideology by Gay Rights (and now "LGBTQ") activists.

    Second, it could hardly be more clear that the passage you quote as well as all of the translated text found at the link you provide is referring, specifically, to pederasty, or at least some form of carnal intimacy between a fully-adult male and a male at some stage of physical/biological development prior to that of maturity. The terms boy and lad are used throughout the text in-question.

    Just how young were these boys? Was it even required that they, at a minim, had to at least be pubescent? And just what forms did the carnal intimacy alluded-to between the boys take? What were the parameters? (It has been argued, including by John Derbyshire citing sources, that anal penetration was emphatically not normative within ancient Greek pederasty.) These are among the many critical questions that must be addressed when discussing such matters.


    From Athenaeus’s The Deipnosophists :

    “King Alexander also was madly devoted to boys. Dicaearchus, at any rate, in his book On the Sacrifice at Ilium says d that he was so overcome with love for the eunuch Bagoas that, in full view of the entire theatre, he, bending over, caressed Bagoas fondly, and when the audience clapped and shouted in applause, he, nothing loath, again bent over and kissed him. But Carystius in Historical Notes says ” Charon of Chalcis had a beautiful boy who was dear to him. But when Alexander, at a drinking-party in the house of Craterus, praised the boy, Charon bade him kiss Alexander; and Alexander said, ‘ Not so ! For that will not delight me so much as it will pain you.’ For, passionate as this king was, he was in like measure self-controlled when it came to the observance of decency and the best form.”
    https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/pwh/athenaeus13.asphe
     

    Two points for now:
    1.) One who truly cared about a boy, let alone loved him, would never --could never-- bugger, sodomize, or otherwise desecrate or defile such a precious creature.

    2.) One who actually appreciated the unique, exquisite magic of a boy could only be uncomfortable at even the mere thought of a eunuch.

    Alas, the inexorable tyranny of the relentless march of time does not allow me to elaborate any further now. Let me conclude with what I had originally composed as a preface.

    Whoa! Whew! Wow! When confronted with a comment as fraught (in all three senses of that word), provocative, stimulating, controversial and open-ended as this one from Anonymous[129], one struggles with where to even begin in crafting response. One resorts, therefore to mere exclamations, which may be as good a place as any to begin. There is so much to address, unpack, explore, consider, discuss and debate-- even in just Anonymous[129]'s words themselves, let alone in the material that he quotes from, and the numerous layers of related topics and sub-topics.

    Even if one were to have the advantages of commenting early in the course of a thread expressly dedicated to one or more of said topics, one could hardly expect to penetrate the depths or fully cover any of them. How much more so when coming at the tail end of a thread that to begin with was based upon a highly trivial and even frivolous post, entering a discussion that arose largely tangentially. By such a point, the one at which I write these words, a more prudent individual would likely not even bother to so much as attempt any contribution. Why step into such a minefield? One who had no special interest in such topics, at least, would likely have moved on from this thread entirely long before now.

  124. @Muggles
    @AnotherDad


    Homosexuals are inherently broken. Broken in the core area of reproduction. They are dead ends–empty twigs off the tree of life.

    And … the question of reproduction is the core of what leadership of a civilization is about.
     
    You appear to have an elaborate quasi biological basis for your homophobia.

    "Leadership" isn't about biological reproduction by leaders. Many great leaders were childless for various reasons (e.g. G. Washington). And hereditary rulers/leaders of the past would often "marry" into other leadership families or ruling elites for political reasons. The ones who were gay usually adopted nephews or cousins, or children from family friends.

    Until very modern times biological child survival was hit and miss. Even those who had children often had no (male) survivors. Rarely were women able to follow in leadership like the male offspring.

    If your general point is that if a "civilization" as you call it becomes predominately homosexual then it may fail to reproduce in adequate numbers. That has never occurred (being gay remains a small percentage). Some gay men also marry and father children, or become gay later in life.

    In the case of the Roman emperors, there were elaborate laws and customs regarding family life of Roman citizens and regardless of the personal imperial proclivities, families and children were protected and cherished. Today gay couples adopt or have surrogates for biological children.

    Yes, certain aspects of contemporary American "gay culture" are in-your-face and promote promiscuity. This is mainly a phase for the very young. RuPaul & Co. are entertainers and media promoters. I don't support special "rights" or privileges for any sub group, gays included.

    But you seem to be fearful of largely imaginary problems. Deranged left feminism (male hating) seems more a threat to reproduction than homosexuality. Mankind has managed to reproduce to now billions of people, despite constant warfare and governmental genocides. Those are things to worry about, for real.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Yet more pilpul.

    “The problem isn’t the one you discuss, it is your need to discuss it. Let us go into your shortcomings at length”.

    Boring, man.


  125. [MORE]

    Matt Drudge, right, on Capitol Hill, October 1998, after the House of Representatives voted to proceed with the impeachment of President Bill Clinton
    STEPHEN JAFFE/AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES

  126. @fnn
    @Art Deco

    Based on her Desert Island Discs interview, Diana, Lady Mosley didn't find him physically repulsive. Are you more representative of womanhood than she was? Maybe so.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    See articles on his tooth decay and the implications thereof, as well as how his diet affected his digestion.

  127. @J.Ross
    @Muggles

    Frederick the Great was a patriot who happened to be gay and what everyone understands to be meant in the modern context by "gay" are lunatic extreme left-wing activists who want to destroy society and the economy out of rage at their fathers.

    Replies: @Muggles, @RSDB

    Frederick the Great was a patriot

    Frederick the Great despised Germans; he was pro-Frederick and that was about as far as his patriotism went.

    He was also prone to pathetic whining whenever things looked like they weren’t going his way.

    Destiny, or a demon, has resolved upon the downfall of Prussia; alliances contrary to nature, hatreds for which no cause has been given, secondary influences and real bad luck

    I have no further resources, and we must expect from day to day an increase of our misfortunes. Heaven is witness that it is not my fault, but I have been badly served. There has been in addition much ill luck, and I have had the whole of Europe against me

    He whined about committing suicide to Voltaire, who replied, sensibly for once: Nobody will regard you as the martyr of liberty.

    When he is winning, it is the opposite:

    I have to do with such stupid people that it naturally follows that I shall get the best of them in the end.

    In other words, “he laughs when he hurts you, and howls when you hurt him”.

    Given his horrific childhood, though, it is hard to hold any peculiarities of disposition against him.

    He was also certainly one of the great military men of history; no one can take that away from him.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @RSDB

    I don't see a contradiction in his being patriotic toward what his country could be and sick at what it had been. There's still a huge obvious difference between him championing largely healthy things and putative homeland security secretary Doctor ben-Evil or the Pennsylvania Health Tsarina.

    , @Rob McX
    @RSDB

    Voltaire was soured by a quarrel which ended his friendship with Frederick, and a lot of what he wrote about him (including intimations of homosexuality) needs to be taken with a grain of salt. He could be quite spiteful towards people when the patronage tap was turned off.

    Replies: @RSDB

  128. @RSDB
    @J.Ross


    Frederick the Great was a patriot

     

    Frederick the Great despised Germans; he was pro-Frederick and that was about as far as his patriotism went.

    He was also prone to pathetic whining whenever things looked like they weren't going his way.

    Destiny, or a demon, has resolved upon the downfall of Prussia; alliances contrary to nature, hatreds for which no cause has been given, secondary influences and real bad luck

     


    I have no further resources, and we must expect from day to day an increase of our misfortunes. Heaven is witness that it is not my fault, but I have been badly served. There has been in addition much ill luck, and I have had the whole of Europe against me

     

    He whined about committing suicide to Voltaire, who replied, sensibly for once: Nobody will regard you as the martyr of liberty.

    When he is winning, it is the opposite:

    I have to do with such stupid people that it naturally follows that I shall get the best of them in the end.

     

    In other words, "he laughs when he hurts you, and howls when you hurt him".

    Given his horrific childhood, though, it is hard to hold any peculiarities of disposition against him.

    He was also certainly one of the great military men of history; no one can take that away from him.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Rob McX

    I don’t see a contradiction in his being patriotic toward what his country could be and sick at what it had been. There’s still a huge obvious difference between him championing largely healthy things and putative homeland security secretary Doctor ben-Evil or the Pennsylvania Health Tsarina.

  129. @Art Deco
    @Not Raul

    He’s always been loud, lazy, impulsive,

    That lazy man keeps up a schedule which would exhaust an ordinary man half his age.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    That lazy man keeps up a schedule which would exhaust an ordinary man half his age.

    I guess it would be exhausting to play so much golf, and spend so much time on Twitter. How does he find time to sleep?

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Not Raul

    Thou shalt not criticize Good Orange Man on here

    , @Art Deco
    @Not Raul

    I guess it would be exhausting to play so much golf, and spend so much time on Twitter. How does he find time to sleep?

    I guess it would be exhausting to you to explain yourself rather than attempt a parry.

  130. @Muggles
    @Not Raul


    Trump “mooched off the tax payer” quite a bit.
     
    "Mooching" is in the eye of the beholder. Obama and others had plenty of tax funded golf vacations or travels to Hawaii, etc.

    Carter was likely the only recent president who didn't. They also nickel-and-dime the president for personal stuff and some family related things.

    I have read that many SS protectees have charged the government for "rent" for their guards quarters when staying on premises. Often in guest houses, etc. These details are rarely discussed but it has leaked out.

    Now staying at a Trump hotel/club is probably more legit, since the fed employees might displace actual paying guests.

    Squawking about "Trump greed" and arguing that he is "really" broke, while ignoring St. Obama and the other Big Wheels faithfully is a sure sign of Trump Derangement Syndrome. That fever is slowing leveling off but is probably never going to be totally cured.

    TDS is an odd disease that while painful and annoying for everyone else near the sufferer, it makes the victim feel better about themselves. A self-medicating brain disease.

    Biden, on the other hand, is a visual reminder of real brain disease.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @AndrewR

    Now staying at a Trump hotel/club is probably more legit, since the fed employees might displace actual paying guests.

    Not when the Secret Service is charged much more than regular guests.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Not Raul


    Not when the Secret Service is charged much more than regular guests.
     
    How do you know? Is this from some government audit report you read or are you parroting some typical media created baloney?

    Have you ever tried to audit a resort hotel bill? The Treas. Dept and GSA does have their auditors after all.

    The fed gov spends billions and wastes most of that. But you here are niggling me over this?

    I think instead that you are a Trump Derangement Syndrome carrier, trying to infect Unz readers.

    I'm sure your preoccupation with govt. fiscal responsibility will be put to good use in the upcoming Biden-Harris administration. I hear they have tons of new spending ideas. We will expect your travel audit reports, along with the Green New Deal and Manna From Heaven program audit reports at least quarterly. A govt. penny saved is after all, just going to be wasted somewhere else.
  131. @Reg Cæsar
    @Muggles


    Hitler, Stalin and Mao weren’t gay.
     
    https://www.worldlifestyle.com/content/111266/88d51fefe7adbba1347018f0dc0efec2.jpg

    Replies: @John Up North, @duncsbaby

    “The bath house is just to my right.”

  132. @CorkyAgain
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Like Kunta Kinte in "Roots" the cat is probably thinking "I can learn to run!"

    No real cat tolerates captivity once they've experienced the freedom on the other side of the door.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @AndrewR

    It depends on the climate. My cat lives outside in the summer but she hibernates in my bed during the colder months. What good is freedom if it means freezing?

  133. @RSDB
    @J.Ross


    Frederick the Great was a patriot

     

    Frederick the Great despised Germans; he was pro-Frederick and that was about as far as his patriotism went.

    He was also prone to pathetic whining whenever things looked like they weren't going his way.

    Destiny, or a demon, has resolved upon the downfall of Prussia; alliances contrary to nature, hatreds for which no cause has been given, secondary influences and real bad luck

     


    I have no further resources, and we must expect from day to day an increase of our misfortunes. Heaven is witness that it is not my fault, but I have been badly served. There has been in addition much ill luck, and I have had the whole of Europe against me

     

    He whined about committing suicide to Voltaire, who replied, sensibly for once: Nobody will regard you as the martyr of liberty.

    When he is winning, it is the opposite:

    I have to do with such stupid people that it naturally follows that I shall get the best of them in the end.

     

    In other words, "he laughs when he hurts you, and howls when you hurt him".

    Given his horrific childhood, though, it is hard to hold any peculiarities of disposition against him.

    He was also certainly one of the great military men of history; no one can take that away from him.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Rob McX

    Voltaire was soured by a quarrel which ended his friendship with Frederick, and a lot of what he wrote about him (including intimations of homosexuality) needs to be taken with a grain of salt. He could be quite spiteful towards people when the patronage tap was turned off.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    @Rob McX

    That's a very good point, and it should be kept in mind.

    In the case I quoted, though, it's not something Voltaire wrote about him, it's something Voltaire wrote to him, after Frederick had threatened to commit suicide because he was so unfortunate and the whole world was against him.

    I certainly don't think Frederick was anywhere near being the worst despot ever to rule a country, but to accuse him, of all people, possibly the most cosmopolitan and Francophile German who ever lived, of great patriotism seems somewhat odd.

  134. @AnotherDad
    @Muggles

    Fair enough:

    -- Dubious Alexander the Great was a homosexual as we understand that today. But who knows. Don't know enough about the Romans. There's a whole revisionist histography now to run around and say prominent historical figures X, Y, Z gay, gay, gay. Maybe.

    -- My point is certainly not that there have never been homosexual leaders who love their people, culture and have been effective leaders.

    Such leaders have usually come about through some sort of hereditary/dynastic claim, not because the civilization "chose" them--either elected kingship or republican governance. And, of course, it's straightforward to name a bunch of homosexuals who were poor leaders, up to outright disasters.

    ~~

    Here's the point--without wasting time going book length:

    Homosexuals are inherently broken. Broken in the core area of reproduction. They are dead ends--empty twigs off the tree of life.

    And ... the question of reproduction is the core of what leadership of a civilization is about.

    The core mission of a leader to insure the successful propagation of the civilization, its people and culture ... into the future. The reproduction of the civilization.

    Being dead twigs--and how their orientation manifests mentally--the homosexual orientation is very much not future oriented. They are the "live now" and "all about me" people. Lacking that organic connection--and perhaps realizing their brokenness?--they tend toward the hedonistic, the fey, the dissolute. The generic homosexual mentality is the exact opposite of what you want in your leaders.

    I don't think it's some historic accident that we have homosexuality jammed in our face all the time now, while the West is failing to reproduce its people and culture and being invaded. Lack of concern for and connection to future generations, general fecklessness are common to both.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Anonymous, @AndrewR

    Why did Hitler never have kids?

    The lack of concern for future generations is not exclusive to homosexuals, and it’s related to the lack of connection to past generations, and to one’s living kin. Industrialization and liberalism atomize us.

    But I will point out that the often-hysterical obsession over climate change among leftists does suggest some sort of concern for future generations.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @AndrewR


    But I will point out that the often-hysterical obsession over climate change among leftists does suggest some sort of concern for future generations
     
    Only if you believe their teary eyed self serving rationalizations.

    "Concern for future generations" is what Stalin and other vicious dictators used to justify their terror and oppression here and now. Hitler too (German people need more "land!")Likewise "climate change" statists.

    The climate is always changing and has and will always do so. These authoritarians want to use a natural phenomenon to scare the public into believing that giving more money and power to "experts" (the ones they choose to champion, ignoring others) is somehow going to "save" future generations from their dire predicted evil.

    So when socialist/fascist statists run out of other excuses, or those have proven to be total lies and failures, they trot out this pseudo scientific rationale. "The sky is falling, run and enact a carbon tax" on everything that feeds us or keeps us alive and moving. It is a scam.

    I have concern for future generations. I don't want them to live in a statist dystopia run by elites who brainwash the gullible into believe their self serving mythology. I have read history and know where that leads.

    If the climate starts cooling (again) they will come up with something else. My guess is the magnetic pole shift (that's actually happening). Things will eventually "change" with that, as it did in the past. So will we have to pay a "magnet" tax to stave this off. Electric devices using magnets (most of them) will be banned, since their "experts" will tell us that this is causing the poles to move. See how it works?

    No ruler has ever said, "give me your money and obedience now and to hell with future effects!" But most if not all of them are really selling snake oil to do just that.
  135. @Not Raul
    @Art Deco


    That lazy man keeps up a schedule which would exhaust an ordinary man half his age.
     
    I guess it would be exhausting to play so much golf, and spend so much time on Twitter. How does he find time to sleep?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Art Deco

    Thou shalt not criticize Good Orange Man on here

  136. @Muggles
    @Not Raul


    Trump “mooched off the tax payer” quite a bit.
     
    "Mooching" is in the eye of the beholder. Obama and others had plenty of tax funded golf vacations or travels to Hawaii, etc.

    Carter was likely the only recent president who didn't. They also nickel-and-dime the president for personal stuff and some family related things.

    I have read that many SS protectees have charged the government for "rent" for their guards quarters when staying on premises. Often in guest houses, etc. These details are rarely discussed but it has leaked out.

    Now staying at a Trump hotel/club is probably more legit, since the fed employees might displace actual paying guests.

    Squawking about "Trump greed" and arguing that he is "really" broke, while ignoring St. Obama and the other Big Wheels faithfully is a sure sign of Trump Derangement Syndrome. That fever is slowing leveling off but is probably never going to be totally cured.

    TDS is an odd disease that while painful and annoying for everyone else near the sufferer, it makes the victim feel better about themselves. A self-medicating brain disease.

    Biden, on the other hand, is a visual reminder of real brain disease.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @AndrewR

    Trump, like Obama, doesn’t like to actually work. Playing golf, watching TV, tweeting, and holding his bizarre cult rallies with his low IQ fans are far more preferable to Trump. It’s hardly a secret that he has little patience for anything resembling work. He requires his lackeys to dumb down briefings to the point where a moderately dull kindergartener could fully understand them. Clinton was the last bright president this country will have ever elected.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @AndrewR


    Clinton was the last bright president this country will have ever elected.
     
    Yes, the brilliant light of Bill Clinton's genius and toil still shines warmly on us all.

    Jesus!

    Aside from your confusing verb tenses ("will have ever elected"?) this is absurd.

    Your snarky account of "lazy Trump" comes from the uniformly Trump hating media or insiders later given the boot. The latter sell their footman's gossip to get media gigs or sinecures in the DC swamp octopus of Deep Statism. Why does the Swamp hate Trump anyway?

    Yes, we all know how important it is to read bureaucratic "briefings" cranked out daily, most of which are either lies or irrelevant. Trump learns more from TV (even with slanted reporting) then he would reading "intelligence briefings" by liars and opportunists. Start fewer wars too.

    Most good presidents in the past acted similarly. They just didn't get snitched out by weasels every month. Trump did more treaty and trade agreement renegotiations than any president in memory, in less than four years. Had to wangle hostile congress to do anything, and managed to do a lot of good. You don't go toe to toe with world leaders by being lazy. They respected him.

    He failed to start any new wars, which some here seem to lament. No, there are some military in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan despite Trump's wishes. Every president is hamstrung by bureaucrats and Trump's lack of experience in government has hurt him here. He failed to purge.

    Bill Clinton? Yes, he got Sec. 230 of the FCC act amended to let tech elites run private censorship monopolies. Started a few wars, was a sexist pig who let wifey try to take over after he left office.

    And who can forget "Fireball Barrack"? And all of his accomplishments. He managed to do more golfing than even Clinton, and let boot lickers get their fill.

    Ah, those days may be returning. Perhaps Biden's feeble candlelight will turn into Clinton's fiery sun of brilliance. You can only hope.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AndrewR

    , @Art Deco
    @AndrewR

    You've manufactured a fantasy Trump out of idiot memes even partisan Democrats do not believe. Here's a start. Come up with a document which would demonstrate "his lackeys dumb down briefings to the point where a moderately dull kindergartener could fully understand them. "


    Clinton was the last bright president this country will have ever elected.

    Ronald Reagan and Lyndon Johnson are the only occupants of the office in the last 90 years who showed any indication of intellectual deficits, and each of them had some compensating talents. The person you're insisting was 'the last truly bright president' devoted a grand total of three years of his adult life to some project other than electoral politics and grift derived from electoral politics.

  137. @Not Raul
    @Art Deco


    That lazy man keeps up a schedule which would exhaust an ordinary man half his age.
     
    I guess it would be exhausting to play so much golf, and spend so much time on Twitter. How does he find time to sleep?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Art Deco

    I guess it would be exhausting to play so much golf, and spend so much time on Twitter. How does he find time to sleep?

    I guess it would be exhausting to you to explain yourself rather than attempt a parry.

  138. @JohnnyWalker123
    That cat looks like it's being held hostage.

    Just look at its eyes. It's saying, "Help me!"

    Replies: @CorkyAgain, @AndrewR

    “I can’t stand another round of Loose Mousse!”

  139. @Rob McX
    @RSDB

    Voltaire was soured by a quarrel which ended his friendship with Frederick, and a lot of what he wrote about him (including intimations of homosexuality) needs to be taken with a grain of salt. He could be quite spiteful towards people when the patronage tap was turned off.

    Replies: @RSDB

    That’s a very good point, and it should be kept in mind.

    In the case I quoted, though, it’s not something Voltaire wrote about him, it’s something Voltaire wrote to him, after Frederick had threatened to commit suicide because he was so unfortunate and the whole world was against him.

    I certainly don’t think Frederick was anywhere near being the worst despot ever to rule a country, but to accuse him, of all people, possibly the most cosmopolitan and Francophile German who ever lived, of great patriotism seems somewhat odd.

  140. @Not Raul
    @Muggles


    Now staying at a Trump hotel/club is probably more legit, since the fed employees might displace actual paying guests.
     
    Not when the Secret Service is charged much more than regular guests.

    Replies: @Muggles

    Not when the Secret Service is charged much more than regular guests.

    How do you know? Is this from some government audit report you read or are you parroting some typical media created baloney?

    Have you ever tried to audit a resort hotel bill? The Treas. Dept and GSA does have their auditors after all.

    The fed gov spends billions and wastes most of that. But you here are niggling me over this?

    I think instead that you are a Trump Derangement Syndrome carrier, trying to infect Unz readers.

    I’m sure your preoccupation with govt. fiscal responsibility will be put to good use in the upcoming Biden-Harris administration. I hear they have tons of new spending ideas. We will expect your travel audit reports, along with the Green New Deal and Manna From Heaven program audit reports at least quarterly. A govt. penny saved is after all, just going to be wasted somewhere else.

  141. @S. Anonyia
    @Thomas

    Actually he did better post-2017. He was still listening to neocons at that point. Foreign policy was great the past 2 years, very pragmatic. Economy was also good.

    If you're some kind of one-issue voter obsessed with a wall, maybe he "gave up."

    Replies: @Thomas, @ATBOTL

    blump’s foreign policy was so great that we still have troops in Syria and Iraq.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @ATBOTL

    We have about 5,000 troops in Iraq and they're not engaged in any combat.

  142. @ATBOTL
    @S. Anonyia

    blump's foreign policy was so great that we still have troops in Syria and Iraq.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    We have about 5,000 troops in Iraq and they’re not engaged in any combat.

  143. @AndrewR
    @AnotherDad

    Why did Hitler never have kids?

    The lack of concern for future generations is not exclusive to homosexuals, and it's related to the lack of connection to past generations, and to one's living kin. Industrialization and liberalism atomize us.

    But I will point out that the often-hysterical obsession over climate change among leftists does suggest some sort of concern for future generations.

    Replies: @Muggles

    But I will point out that the often-hysterical obsession over climate change among leftists does suggest some sort of concern for future generations

    Only if you believe their teary eyed self serving rationalizations.

    “Concern for future generations” is what Stalin and other vicious dictators used to justify their terror and oppression here and now. Hitler too (German people need more “land!”)Likewise “climate change” statists.

    The climate is always changing and has and will always do so. These authoritarians want to use a natural phenomenon to scare the public into believing that giving more money and power to “experts” (the ones they choose to champion, ignoring others) is somehow going to “save” future generations from their dire predicted evil.

    So when socialist/fascist statists run out of other excuses, or those have proven to be total lies and failures, they trot out this pseudo scientific rationale. “The sky is falling, run and enact a carbon tax” on everything that feeds us or keeps us alive and moving. It is a scam.

    I have concern for future generations. I don’t want them to live in a statist dystopia run by elites who brainwash the gullible into believe their self serving mythology. I have read history and know where that leads.

    If the climate starts cooling (again) they will come up with something else. My guess is the magnetic pole shift (that’s actually happening). Things will eventually “change” with that, as it did in the past. So will we have to pay a “magnet” tax to stave this off. Electric devices using magnets (most of them) will be banned, since their “experts” will tell us that this is causing the poles to move. See how it works?

    No ruler has ever said, “give me your money and obedience now and to hell with future effects!” But most if not all of them are really selling snake oil to do just that.

  144. @AndrewR
    @Muggles

    Trump, like Obama, doesn't like to actually work. Playing golf, watching TV, tweeting, and holding his bizarre cult rallies with his low IQ fans are far more preferable to Trump. It's hardly a secret that he has little patience for anything resembling work. He requires his lackeys to dumb down briefings to the point where a moderately dull kindergartener could fully understand them. Clinton was the last bright president this country will have ever elected.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Art Deco

    Clinton was the last bright president this country will have ever elected.

    Yes, the brilliant light of Bill Clinton’s genius and toil still shines warmly on us all.

    Jesus!

    Aside from your confusing verb tenses (“will have ever elected”?) this is absurd.

    Your snarky account of “lazy Trump” comes from the uniformly Trump hating media or insiders later given the boot. The latter sell their footman’s gossip to get media gigs or sinecures in the DC swamp octopus of Deep Statism. Why does the Swamp hate Trump anyway?

    Yes, we all know how important it is to read bureaucratic “briefings” cranked out daily, most of which are either lies or irrelevant. Trump learns more from TV (even with slanted reporting) then he would reading “intelligence briefings” by liars and opportunists. Start fewer wars too.

    Most good presidents in the past acted similarly. They just didn’t get snitched out by weasels every month. Trump did more treaty and trade agreement renegotiations than any president in memory, in less than four years. Had to wangle hostile congress to do anything, and managed to do a lot of good. You don’t go toe to toe with world leaders by being lazy. They respected him.

    He failed to start any new wars, which some here seem to lament. No, there are some military in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan despite Trump’s wishes. Every president is hamstrung by bureaucrats and Trump’s lack of experience in government has hurt him here. He failed to purge.

    Bill Clinton? Yes, he got Sec. 230 of the FCC act amended to let tech elites run private censorship monopolies. Started a few wars, was a sexist pig who let wifey try to take over after he left office.

    And who can forget “Fireball Barrack”? And all of his accomplishments. He managed to do more golfing than even Clinton, and let boot lickers get their fill.

    Ah, those days may be returning. Perhaps Biden’s feeble candlelight will turn into Clinton’s fiery sun of brilliance. You can only hope.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Muggles


    Bill Clinton? Yes, he got Sec. 230 of the FCC act amended to let tech elites run private censorship monopolies. Started a few wars, was a sexist pig who let wifey try to take over after he left office.

     

    https://myquestdotblog.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/steve-sack-minneapolis-star-tribune.jpg?w=900&h=650
    , @AndrewR
    @Muggles

    Nothing was confusing. I'm saying we haven't had a bright president since and we never will elect another one.

    I don't need to trust the media to know he's dumb. It's obvious from his tweets and public appearances.

    And apparently you were in a coma in January.

    Imagine someone shooting into a house but only wounding a baby. Would you give them credit for "not killing anyone"?

    That analogy falls short because Trump did have a man killed, and the retaliation caused brain damage in many US troops.

  145. @SFG
    @The Alarmist

    Doesn't really fit--a lipstick lesbian is a lesbian who dresses in a traditionally feminine way, rather than looking 'butch'.

    Lots of gay men act straight, though. There are certain aesthetics no straight man would adopt (the buff-shaved body, colored nail polish), but lots of gay men will look like average guys.

    There was a discussion on Slate or one of these lefty mags about 'gaybros' who were into stuff like hunting and football that were traditionally masculine, but it never caught on. My guess is masculinity is too much about doing and not enough about looking good for the concept to transfer.

    But I'm a nerdy ex-West Sider, so what do I know. ;)

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @No0biE

    Are you gay? I’ve never once met an openly gay man who “acts straight”. Even closeted gays are strikingly obvious in their “softness” and are figured out by their coworkers long before they ever “come out”.

  146. @Anonymous
    @SFG

    The question is that masculine types don't have a gay identity. The association between homosexuality and effeminacy is very entrenched in the popular mind, because effeminate men are more exposed, creating associations between homosexuality and their behavior.
    The gayness of masculine homosexuals is only sexual, in effeminte types is also behavioral.

    Replies: @No0biE

    What is a good example of a “masculine homosexual”?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @No0biE

    See GJM van den Aardweg. It tends to be a parody masculinity whose accoutrements are a fondness for leather and physical culture.

  147. @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    — Dubious Alexander the Great was a homosexual as we understand that today. But who knows. Don’t know enough about the Romans. There’s a whole revisionist histography now to run around and say prominent historical figures X, Y, Z gay, gay, gay. Maybe.

     

    Alexander and the others were homosexuals in the same way there are homosexuals nowadays. They we people that felt sexual desires for their own sex. Simply that.
    From Athenaeus's The Deipnosophists :

    “King Alexander also was madly devoted to boys. Dicaearchus, at any rate, in his book On the Sacrifice at Ilium says d that he was so overcome with love for the eunuch Bagoas that, in full view of the entire theatre, he, bending over, caressed Bagoas fondly, and when the audience clapped and shouted in applause, he, nothing loath, again bent over and kissed him. But Carystius in Historical Notes says " Charon of Chalcis had a beautiful boy who was dear to him. But when Alexander, at a drinking-party in the house of Craterus, praised the boy, Charon bade him kiss Alexander; and Alexander said, ' Not so ! For that will not delight me so much as it will pain you.' For, passionate as this king was, he was in like measure self-controlled when it came to the observance of decency and the best form.”
    https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/pwh/athenaeus13.asp

    There aren’t so clear historical evidences of homosexuality for people like Edward II. But he was so incompetent, that no one challenges how gay he was.

    Being dead twigs–and how their orientation manifests mentally–the homosexual orientation is very much not future oriented. They are the “live now” and “all about me” people. Lacking that organic connection–and perhaps realizing their brokenness?–they tend toward the hedonistic, the fey, the dissolute. The generic homosexual mentality is the exact opposite of what you want in your leaders.

     

    Reproduction was a duty in the past which doesn’t exist anymore. Something that men and women needed to do, being heterosexual or homosexual. In your posts about the matter, there are a clear negative animus against homosexuals. It’s obvious that careerist and selfisih heterosexual couples are much more responsible for the future decline of the white race. And I don't see any effort from you about their bad behavior, which have overwhelming larger negative consequences than 2% of the population that is homosexual.

    Replies: @Marty, @Dissident

    You’re young. The worst “consequence” for the wider society since 1980 has been the elimination of freedom of conscience/freedom to speak one’s mind. The driver for that was AIDS – the need to avoid stigmatizing queers. No aspect of the “selfish heterosexual” life since that time even approaches said loss in importance.

  148. @Art Deco
    @prosa123

    What hits you is that being a homosexual is his profession. He seems to have little employment history other than public office and working for NGOs which have something to do with homosexuality. He's also had no vocational training of any kind. His education ended 20 years ago after one semester in college. In his mundane life, he's been sufficiently careless over the years that he's ended up HIV+. HIV is a great deal less prevalent among homosexual and bisexual men than it was a generation ago and perhaps 15% of that set are infected nowadays.

    Replies: @Dissident

    HIV is a great deal less prevalent among homosexual and bisexual men than it was a generation ago and perhaps 15% of that set are infected nowadays.

    How much of this reduction in HIV is the result of prophylactic drugs, such as “PrEP”/Truvada, that have achieved widespread usage among the demographic-in-question* in recent years? And how much of the exorbitant cost of these drugs is, in one or more ways, born by the overwhelming majority of the population who do not engage in the extremely high-risk, voluntary behaviors that account for the staggeringly disproportionately high rates of HIV (as well as other sexually-transmitted diseases and infections) among said subset* of the general population?

    *i.e. buggering-Americans; individuals, organizations and communities who assert an inalienable right to act as if an anatomical structure that is exclusively purposed and suited for fecal elimination is suitable for use as a substitute for the female copulatory orifice.

    There is a simple means of preventing HIV (as well as a whole host of other serious, often lethal diseases) that is FAR more effective than any pharmaceutical, with none of the risks, adverse-effects, or costs: Simply avoiding inordinately high-risk behaviors such as anal penetration and anal-oral contact.

    For the interested reader, the latest summation of my proposal for a comprehensive, practical, compassionate, multi-pronged response to individuals afflicted with exclusive same-sex attraction can be found in this comment of mine from last month.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Dissident

    No clue. Didn't know there were prophylactic drugs. I knew there were expensive treatment regimens that keep the opportunistic infections at bay for a while. Not forever, though. Roughly 15% of the male homosexual / bisexual population who shuffle off each year die of HIV related illness. I was acquainted with a chap who was under treatment from 1987 to 2011. He died at age 51.

  149. @Muggles
    @AndrewR


    Clinton was the last bright president this country will have ever elected.
     
    Yes, the brilliant light of Bill Clinton's genius and toil still shines warmly on us all.

    Jesus!

    Aside from your confusing verb tenses ("will have ever elected"?) this is absurd.

    Your snarky account of "lazy Trump" comes from the uniformly Trump hating media or insiders later given the boot. The latter sell their footman's gossip to get media gigs or sinecures in the DC swamp octopus of Deep Statism. Why does the Swamp hate Trump anyway?

    Yes, we all know how important it is to read bureaucratic "briefings" cranked out daily, most of which are either lies or irrelevant. Trump learns more from TV (even with slanted reporting) then he would reading "intelligence briefings" by liars and opportunists. Start fewer wars too.

    Most good presidents in the past acted similarly. They just didn't get snitched out by weasels every month. Trump did more treaty and trade agreement renegotiations than any president in memory, in less than four years. Had to wangle hostile congress to do anything, and managed to do a lot of good. You don't go toe to toe with world leaders by being lazy. They respected him.

    He failed to start any new wars, which some here seem to lament. No, there are some military in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan despite Trump's wishes. Every president is hamstrung by bureaucrats and Trump's lack of experience in government has hurt him here. He failed to purge.

    Bill Clinton? Yes, he got Sec. 230 of the FCC act amended to let tech elites run private censorship monopolies. Started a few wars, was a sexist pig who let wifey try to take over after he left office.

    And who can forget "Fireball Barrack"? And all of his accomplishments. He managed to do more golfing than even Clinton, and let boot lickers get their fill.

    Ah, those days may be returning. Perhaps Biden's feeble candlelight will turn into Clinton's fiery sun of brilliance. You can only hope.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AndrewR

    Bill Clinton? Yes, he got Sec. 230 of the FCC act amended to let tech elites run private censorship monopolies. Started a few wars, was a sexist pig who let wifey try to take over after he left office.

  150. @AndrewR
    @Muggles

    Trump, like Obama, doesn't like to actually work. Playing golf, watching TV, tweeting, and holding his bizarre cult rallies with his low IQ fans are far more preferable to Trump. It's hardly a secret that he has little patience for anything resembling work. He requires his lackeys to dumb down briefings to the point where a moderately dull kindergartener could fully understand them. Clinton was the last bright president this country will have ever elected.

    Replies: @Muggles, @Art Deco

    You’ve manufactured a fantasy Trump out of idiot memes even partisan Democrats do not believe. Here’s a start. Come up with a document which would demonstrate “his lackeys dumb down briefings to the point where a moderately dull kindergartener could fully understand them. ”

    Clinton was the last bright president this country will have ever elected.

    Ronald Reagan and Lyndon Johnson are the only occupants of the office in the last 90 years who showed any indication of intellectual deficits, and each of them had some compensating talents. The person you’re insisting was ‘the last truly bright president’ devoted a grand total of three years of his adult life to some project other than electoral politics and grift derived from electoral politics.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  151. @Muggles
    @Cloudbuster

    You are entitled to your opinion of course.

    But my historical references were not based on some agenda as you seem to think. If you bother to read well researched biographies of the ancient Roman emperors (Trajan, Hadrian, several others including one who seemed to be legitimately transgender) based on contemporary or near contemporary sources you will find what I suggested well documented. These are scholars and most of the work on this appeared well before the current Gay Rights crusades.

    Homosexuality was not illegal or even (necessarily) opposed by the general cultural/religious views in ancient Rome, Greece and other places. That came with the spread of Christianity which was opposed to that practice, which in Christian cultures eventually became illegal.

    I have also read more recent military histories re: Frederick the Great and Von Steuben (two others I mentioned) and their sexuality was pretty well documented by contemporaries. Military History magazine also runs many bios and when relevant does address this. There was an entire elite band of warriors from Greek city state Thebes (the Sacred Band) made up of gay warrior couples. They eventually all were wiped out in a major battle defeat. This arrangement seems to be historically unique.

    None of this should surprise you. Homosexuality isn't new. Cultural/religious views on homosexuality vary differently over time and place. It isn't usually seen as an asset for leadership but in many past situations didn't appear to create any special problems.

    Replies: @Dissident

    Homosexuality was not illegal or even (necessarily) opposed by the general cultural/religious views in ancient Rome, Greece and other places.

    Assuming what you assert concerning the societies-in-question is true in so far as homosexuality, per se is concerned, we are still left with a number of critical questions concerning them, including the following.

    1.) Were no specific acts (such as anal penetration) or behaviors ever subject-to restriction?

    2.) To what extent was homosexuality, in any form, normalized, promoted, or extolled? Was any form of homosexuality ever dogmatically or officially declared to be fully-equivalent to and in no way less wholesome than heterosexuality? As superior?

    3.) How much, if any, historical precedent exists for the modern phenomenon of an individual defining himself/ basing his primary identity upon his sexual proclivities? Of homosexual or an equivalent term having wide usage not just as an adjective or adverb, but also as a noun?

  152. @Muggles
    @AndrewR


    Clinton was the last bright president this country will have ever elected.
     
    Yes, the brilliant light of Bill Clinton's genius and toil still shines warmly on us all.

    Jesus!

    Aside from your confusing verb tenses ("will have ever elected"?) this is absurd.

    Your snarky account of "lazy Trump" comes from the uniformly Trump hating media or insiders later given the boot. The latter sell their footman's gossip to get media gigs or sinecures in the DC swamp octopus of Deep Statism. Why does the Swamp hate Trump anyway?

    Yes, we all know how important it is to read bureaucratic "briefings" cranked out daily, most of which are either lies or irrelevant. Trump learns more from TV (even with slanted reporting) then he would reading "intelligence briefings" by liars and opportunists. Start fewer wars too.

    Most good presidents in the past acted similarly. They just didn't get snitched out by weasels every month. Trump did more treaty and trade agreement renegotiations than any president in memory, in less than four years. Had to wangle hostile congress to do anything, and managed to do a lot of good. You don't go toe to toe with world leaders by being lazy. They respected him.

    He failed to start any new wars, which some here seem to lament. No, there are some military in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan despite Trump's wishes. Every president is hamstrung by bureaucrats and Trump's lack of experience in government has hurt him here. He failed to purge.

    Bill Clinton? Yes, he got Sec. 230 of the FCC act amended to let tech elites run private censorship monopolies. Started a few wars, was a sexist pig who let wifey try to take over after he left office.

    And who can forget "Fireball Barrack"? And all of his accomplishments. He managed to do more golfing than even Clinton, and let boot lickers get their fill.

    Ah, those days may be returning. Perhaps Biden's feeble candlelight will turn into Clinton's fiery sun of brilliance. You can only hope.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AndrewR

    Nothing was confusing. I’m saying we haven’t had a bright president since and we never will elect another one.

    I don’t need to trust the media to know he’s dumb. It’s obvious from his tweets and public appearances.

    And apparently you were in a coma in January.

    Imagine someone shooting into a house but only wounding a baby. Would you give them credit for “not killing anyone”?

    That analogy falls short because Trump did have a man killed, and the retaliation caused brain damage in many US troops.

  153. @Paleo Retiree
    A fair number of gay guys twinkle a lot. They’re also prone to expressing their feelings, taking very good care of their skin, flirting with the camera, and treating their clothes as costumes.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    Best of the Worst: Ben and Arthur

    Mike, Jay, Rich Evans, and a special guest star talk about the gay cult classic “Ben and Arthur”!

  154. @Justvisiting
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You do know that Luntz was specifically mentioned in the Biden tapes as a friend of the Biden team, right?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Justvisiting

    Laura Ingraham is a red herring.

    Luntz is specifically mentioned in the Biden tapes because he was corresponding with Hunter and explaining that he really was a “friend of the Bidens”.

  155. @Dissident
    @Art Deco


    HIV is a great deal less prevalent among homosexual and bisexual men than it was a generation ago and perhaps 15% of that set are infected nowadays.
     
    How much of this reduction in HIV is the result of prophylactic drugs, such as "PrEP"/Truvada, that have achieved widespread usage among the demographic-in-question* in recent years? And how much of the exorbitant cost of these drugs is, in one or more ways, born by the overwhelming majority of the population who do not engage in the extremely high-risk, voluntary behaviors that account for the staggeringly disproportionately high rates of HIV (as well as other sexually-transmitted diseases and infections) among said subset* of the general population?

    *i.e. buggering-Americans; individuals, organizations and communities who assert an inalienable right to act as if an anatomical structure that is exclusively purposed and suited for fecal elimination is suitable for use as a substitute for the female copulatory orifice.

    There is a simple means of preventing HIV (as well as a whole host of other serious, often lethal diseases) that is FAR more effective than any pharmaceutical, with none of the risks, adverse-effects, or costs: Simply avoiding inordinately high-risk behaviors such as anal penetration and anal-oral contact.

    For the interested reader, the latest summation of my proposal for a comprehensive, practical, compassionate, multi-pronged response to individuals afflicted with exclusive same-sex attraction can be found in this comment of mine from last month.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    No clue. Didn’t know there were prophylactic drugs. I knew there were expensive treatment regimens that keep the opportunistic infections at bay for a while. Not forever, though. Roughly 15% of the male homosexual / bisexual population who shuffle off each year die of HIV related illness. I was acquainted with a chap who was under treatment from 1987 to 2011. He died at age 51.

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  156. @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    — Dubious Alexander the Great was a homosexual as we understand that today. But who knows. Don’t know enough about the Romans. There’s a whole revisionist histography now to run around and say prominent historical figures X, Y, Z gay, gay, gay. Maybe.

     

    Alexander and the others were homosexuals in the same way there are homosexuals nowadays. They we people that felt sexual desires for their own sex. Simply that.
    From Athenaeus's The Deipnosophists :

    “King Alexander also was madly devoted to boys. Dicaearchus, at any rate, in his book On the Sacrifice at Ilium says d that he was so overcome with love for the eunuch Bagoas that, in full view of the entire theatre, he, bending over, caressed Bagoas fondly, and when the audience clapped and shouted in applause, he, nothing loath, again bent over and kissed him. But Carystius in Historical Notes says " Charon of Chalcis had a beautiful boy who was dear to him. But when Alexander, at a drinking-party in the house of Craterus, praised the boy, Charon bade him kiss Alexander; and Alexander said, ' Not so ! For that will not delight me so much as it will pain you.' For, passionate as this king was, he was in like measure self-controlled when it came to the observance of decency and the best form.”
    https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/pwh/athenaeus13.asp

    There aren’t so clear historical evidences of homosexuality for people like Edward II. But he was so incompetent, that no one challenges how gay he was.

    Being dead twigs–and how their orientation manifests mentally–the homosexual orientation is very much not future oriented. They are the “live now” and “all about me” people. Lacking that organic connection–and perhaps realizing their brokenness?–they tend toward the hedonistic, the fey, the dissolute. The generic homosexual mentality is the exact opposite of what you want in your leaders.

     

    Reproduction was a duty in the past which doesn’t exist anymore. Something that men and women needed to do, being heterosexual or homosexual. In your posts about the matter, there are a clear negative animus against homosexuals. It’s obvious that careerist and selfisih heterosexual couples are much more responsible for the future decline of the white race. And I don't see any effort from you about their bad behavior, which have overwhelming larger negative consequences than 2% of the population that is homosexual.

    Replies: @Marty, @Dissident

    Alexander and the others were homosexuals in the same way there are homosexuals nowadays.

    Did Alexander The Great or any of the historical figures to whom you refer identify or define themselves based upon their sexuality (whether mere proclivities or actual behaviors)? See my previous comment, made in reply to “Muggles”.

    They [were] people that felt sexual desires for their own sex. Simply that.

    Not so simple at all.

    First, what you describe above are involuntary feelings. They are deceptively, strategically conflated with voluntary behavior and ideology by Gay Rights (and now “LGBTQ”) activists.

    Second, it could hardly be more clear that the passage you quote as well as all of the translated text found at the link you provide is referring, specifically, to pederasty, or at least some form of carnal intimacy between a fully-adult male and a male at some stage of physical/biological development prior to that of maturity. The terms boy and lad are used throughout the text in-question.

    Just how young were these boys? Was it even required that they, at a minim, had to at least be pubescent? And just what forms did the carnal intimacy alluded-to between the boys take? What were the parameters? (It has been argued, including by John Derbyshire citing sources, that anal penetration was emphatically not normative within ancient Greek pederasty.) These are among the many critical questions that must be addressed when discussing such matters.

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    From Athenaeus’s The Deipnosophists :

    “King Alexander also was madly devoted to boys. Dicaearchus, at any rate, in his book On the Sacrifice at Ilium says d that he was so overcome with love for the eunuch Bagoas that, in full view of the entire theatre, he, bending over, caressed Bagoas fondly, and when the audience clapped and shouted in applause, he, nothing loath, again bent over and kissed him. But Carystius in Historical Notes says ” Charon of Chalcis had a beautiful boy who was dear to him. But when Alexander, at a drinking-party in the house of Craterus, praised the boy, Charon bade him kiss Alexander; and Alexander said, ‘ Not so ! For that will not delight me so much as it will pain you.’ For, passionate as this king was, he was in like measure self-controlled when it came to the observance of decency and the best form.”
    https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/pwh/athenaeus13.asphe

    Two points for now:
    1.) One who truly cared about a boy, let alone loved him, would never —could never– bugger, sodomize, or otherwise desecrate or defile such a precious creature.

    2.) One who actually appreciated the unique, exquisite magic of a boy could only be uncomfortable at even the mere thought of a eunuch.

    Alas, the inexorable tyranny of the relentless march of time does not allow me to elaborate any further now. Let me conclude with what I had originally composed as a preface.

    Whoa! Whew! Wow! When confronted with a comment as fraught (in all three senses of that word), provocative, stimulating, controversial and open-ended as this one from Anonymous[129], one struggles with where to even begin in crafting response. One resorts, therefore to mere exclamations, which may be as good a place as any to begin. There is so much to address, unpack, explore, consider, discuss and debate– even in just Anonymous[129]‘s words themselves, let alone in the material that he quotes from, and the numerous layers of related topics and sub-topics.

    Even if one were to have the advantages of commenting early in the course of a thread expressly dedicated to one or more of said topics, one could hardly expect to penetrate the depths or fully cover any of them. How much more so when coming at the tail end of a thread that to begin with was based upon a highly trivial and even frivolous post, entering a discussion that arose largely tangentially. By such a point, the one at which I write these words, a more prudent individual would likely not even bother to so much as attempt any contribution. Why step into such a minefield? One who had no special interest in such topics, at least, would likely have moved on from this thread entirely long before now.

  157. @No0biE
    @Anonymous

    What is a good example of a "masculine homosexual"?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    See GJM van den Aardweg. It tends to be a parody masculinity whose accoutrements are a fondness for leather and physical culture.

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