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The NYT has a lot of New York City statistics on coronavirus cases, hospital admissions, deaths, and so forth by zip code.

A Month of Coronavirus in New York City: See the Hardest Hit Areas
By Larry Buchanan, Jugal K. Patel, Brian M. Rosenthal and Anjali Singhvi April 1, 2020

The coronavirus has ravaged all of New York City, closing schools, emptying streets and turning stadiums into makeshift hospitals. But data made public by city health officials on Wednesday suggests it is hitting low-income neighborhoods the hardest.

At the the moment, lowest case rates are seen in 10280 Lower Manhattan (Battery Park City), which I’m guessing tend to be populated by affluent young Wall Street workers, students, fashionistas, and the like.

The hardest hit neighborhood in the city is zip code 11370 West Queens adjacent to La Guardia airport. Residents tend to commute by public transportation for considerable amounts of time. Maybe a lot of them who work locally work at La Guardia?

Manhattan’s Chinatown zip codes (10002 and 10013) are in the middle range at 4 and 5 respectively.

ZIP code Neighborhood Total cases Cases per 1,000 people
10280 Lower Manhattan 17 2
10006 Lower Manhattan 6 2
11220 Sunset Park 264 3
10025 Upper West Side 252 3
11214 Southwest Brooklyn 251 3
11233 Central Brooklyn 225 3
11355 North Queens 213 3
11215 Northwest Brooklyn 178 3
10027 Central Harlem 170 3
11216 Central Brooklyn 162 3
10003 Lower East Side 161 3
11354 North Queens 134 3
11224 Southern Brooklyn 133 3
10034 Inwood and Washington Heights 108 3
11105 Northwest Queens 104 3
11103 Northwest Queens 104 3
10010 Gramercy Park and Murray Hill 101 3
11228 Southwest Brooklyn 101 3
11222 Greenpoint 96 3
10012 Greenwich Village and Soho 68 3
10017 Gramercy Park and Murray Hill 45 3
10005 Lower Manhattan 25 3
11385 West Central Queens 425 4
11234 Canarsie and Flatlands 364 4
10456 High Bridge and Morrisania 355 4
11208 East New York and New Lots 350 4
11226 Flatbush 344 4
10458 Bronx Park and Fordham 332 4
11207 East New York and New Lots 332 4
11206 Bushwick and Williamsburg 329 4
11229 Southern Brooklyn 316 4
10029 East Harlem 290 4
11221 Bushwick and Williamsburg 260 4
11212 Central Brooklyn 254 4
10463 Kingsbridge and Riverdale 253 4
10002 Lower East Side 250 4
10031 Inwood and Washington Heights 217 4
10128 Upper East Side 212 4
11209 Southwest Brooklyn 209 4
10024 Upper West Side 204 4
11201 Northwest Brooklyn 204 4
10023 Upper West Side 190 4
10028 Upper East Side 189 4
11237 Bushwick and Williamsburg 184 4
11238 Central Brooklyn 183 4
11419 Southwest Queens 182 4
11205 Northwest Brooklyn 182 4
10009 Lower East Side 181 4
11365 Central Queens 166 4
11106 Northwest Queens 144 4
11217 Northwest Brooklyn 130 4
11231 Northwest Brooklyn 127 4
10026 Central Harlem 126 4
10022 Gramercy Park and Murray Hill 123 4
11358 North Queens 119 4
11364 Northeast Queens 113 4
10030 Central Harlem 106 4
11102 Northwest Queens 105 4
11361 Northeast Queens 85 4
11104 Northwest Queens 85 4
11232 Sunset Park 85 4
10038 Lower Manhattan 76 4
11362 Northeast Queens 64 4
10302 Port Richmond 61 4
11360 North Queens 59 4
11363 Northeast Queens 27 4
10007 Lower Manhattan 26 4
10314 Mid-Island 452 5
11236 Canarsie and Flatlands 416 5
10453 Central Bronx 386 5
10462 Southeast Bronx 377 5
10452 High Bridge and Morrisania 367 5
11377 West Queens 364 5
10466 Northeast Bronx 362 5
11218 Borough Park 350 5
11235 Southern Brooklyn 348 5
11223 Southern Brooklyn 346 5
11203 Flatbush 343 5
10032 Inwood and Washington Heights 308 5
10457 Central Bronx 306 5
10472 Southeast Bronx 302 5
11435 Jamaica 293 5
11225 Flatbush 267 5
10033 Inwood and Washington Heights 264 5
10460 Central Bronx 255 5
10459 Hunts Point and Mott Haven 227 5
11420 Southwest Queens 223 5
10011 Chelsea and Clinton 222 5
10021 Upper East Side 211 5
10040 Inwood and Washington Heights 208 5
11421 Southwest Queens 202 5
10019 Chelsea and Clinton 187 5
10305 Stapleton and St. George 178 5
10455 Hunts Point and Mott Haven 176 5
10301 Stapleton and St. George 175 5
10454 Hunts Point and Mott Haven 174 5
11357 North Queens 162 5
11378 West Queens 156 5
11433 Jamaica 155 5
11101 Northwest Queens 148 5
10035 East Harlem 147 5
10308 South Shore 146 5
10014 Greenwich Village and Soho 140 5
10013 Greenwich Village and Soho 122 5
10065 Upper East Side 121 5
11416 Southwest Queens 117 5
10036 Chelsea and Clinton 116 5
10039 Central Harlem 116 5
10001 Chelsea and Clinton 113 5
11356 North Queens 110 5
10303 Port Richmond 106 5
10471 Kingsbridge and Riverdale 104 5
11426 Southeast Queens 101 5
11436 Jamaica 100 5
10310 Port Richmond 97 5
10307 South Shore 67 5
10474 Hunts Point and Mott Haven 55 5
10044 Upper East Side 49 5
11211 Greenpoint 601 6
11375 West Central Queens 418 6
10468 Bronx Park and Fordham 397 6
11213 Central Brooklyn 394 6
11210 Flatbush 386 6
11434 Jamaica 358 6
10312 South Shore 336 6
10473 Southeast Bronx 304 6
10016 Gramercy Park and Murray Hill 288 6
10306 South Shore 278 6
10475 Northeast Bronx 255 6
11418 Southwest Queens 216 6
11379 West Central Queens 195 6
11417 Southwest Queens 173 6
10309 South Shore 170 6
11423 Jamaica 164 6
11429 Southeast Queens 163 6
11414 Southwest Queens 162 6
11428 Southeast Queens 112 6
11692 Rockaways 110 6
10037 Central Harlem 109 6
10470 Northeast Bronx 83 6
10464 Southeast Bronx 25 6
10004 Lower Manhattan 16 6
10467 Bronx Park and Fordham 638 7
11204 Borough Park 534 7
10469 Northeast Bronx 470 7
11691 Rockaways 436 7
11432 Jamaica 405 7
10465 Southeast Bronx 267 7
11413 Southeast Queens 261 7
11412 Jamaica 245 7
11422 Southeast Queens 211 7
11694 Rockaways 143 7
11693 Rockaways 86 7
11239 Canarsie and Flatlands 85 7
10018 Chelsea and Clinton 66 7
11230 Borough Park 631 8
11372 West Queens 492 8
10461 Southeast Bronx 376 8
10451 High Bridge and Morrisania 337 8
11374 West Central Queens 319 8
11367 Central Queens 318 8
10304 Stapleton and St. George 289 8
11427 Southeast Queens 181 8
10075 Upper East Side 160 8
11411 Southeast Queens 151 8
11415 Southwest Queens 149 8
11004 Southeast Queens 121 8
11366 Central Queens 106 8
11697 Rockaways 25 8
11368 West Queens 947 9
11373 West Queens 831 9
11219 Borough Park 771 9
11369 West Queens 331 10
11370 West Queens 378 12

Any patterns?

 
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  1. I’m in Greenwich Village . Everyone here has it from
    Bars and gyms , no one is sick or shows symptoms because we eat well and take care of ourselves (exercise) and don’t allow media to penetrate our minds because we know all about it because we went to gookd schools and work in finance and media. We are healthy . Virus is Bull Shit. Excuse to take away freedoms and Civil Society . DUH. Love you Steve and most of your ideas but you have been wrong as hell on this whether intentionally or to provoke .

    • Agree: Alden
    • Troll: Chris Mallory, guest007
    • Replies: @anonymous

    I’m in Greenwich Village . Everyone here has it from
    Bars and gyms
     
    The topic is Coronavirus. Not AIDs. But thank you for your input.
    , @Dissident

    I’m in Greenwich Village . Everyone here has it from
    Bars and gyms
     
    What about bathhouses?

    , no one is sick or shows symptoms because we eat well and take care of ourselves (exercise) and don’t allow media to penetrate our minds
     
    That last part about media, at least, I would have to challenge. But even if correct, such a statement just begs for the rejoinder:
    If only the same could be said for a different, very visceral form of penetration... The epidemiological profile for Greenwich Village would be vastly better.
    (Some elaboration:
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/coronavirus-delays-reopening-of-san-franciscos-gay-bathhouses/#comment-3769362 )
    , @Ano4
    Are you aware that the asymptomatic phase of the infection might be around two weeks and even longer in certain people?

    That in some individuals the asymptomatic phase is immediately followed by the pulmonary infection?

    That even perfectly healthy young people have been among those who ended in the ICU?

    That even asymptomatic carriers (who might easily be more than 50% of the infected population according to the Islandic report) are still infectious, although with a lower R?

    That asymptomatic, healthy people might easily infect the people in the different risk groups?

    That these risk group people, infected by the asymptomatic carriers, contribute to the health system being overwhelmed?

    Now, are you still going to bars and gyms?

    Think before you answer...

    , @Lagertha
    See my response to Ano4 around the 150's. I hearya, loud and clear. I agree with you. Steve, however, has personal reasons for being as well-informed as possible about what he needs to be aware of as far as the "how does this infection spread?" or, point of contraction. Plus, he lives in a state that is surrounded by hostiles, rich and poor - he has no escape cabin for his family to just drive into the mountains.
  2. The Ramones would have made a good song about this.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    It would have been their first.
    , @Anon

    The Ramones would have made a good song about this.
     
    The Ramones are all dead. Presumably, had they been alive during a pandemic, they would have been the first to go.

    There's a sort of weird Curse of King Tut surrounding the Ramones, with all sorts of associates, hangers on, and the like dying youngish.
    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Twenty twenty twenty-four more weeks to go, oh
    Don't wanna be secluded
    Nothin' to do, nowhere to go, oh
    I hate bein' secluded

    Call constitutional lawyers
    Get me a referendum
    DeBlasio's prohibitions,
    Ya know I wanna end 'em

    , @OscarWildeLoveChild
    My girlfriend's sick and I don't care...
    (power chords)
    My roommate Chad just shaved his hair...
    (power chords)

    [Bridge]
    Oh there's a virus outside in the hall...
    But I don't care, cuz I'm not on call...
    The cops are knocking but I don't dare...
    ...Because my girlfriend's sick and I. don't. care...

    (oh she's)
    Sick, sick, ain't that a scare...
    Drone out the window up in the air...
    Cupboard's bare aint that a scare...

    Well, my girlfriend's sick and I .... don't..care...
    (power chords to confusing solo)
  3. I was listening to Laura Ingraham tonight interview a cardiologist with 80 CV patients.

    30% pre-diabetic
    40% diabetic
    30.3 average BMI
    70 y.o. average age

    Younger victims were all very high BMI.
    Hydrochloroquin works. Doctors who deal with a lot of CV are taking it prophylatically.

    Sounds to me like the population who is in danger of a serious cases is easy to identify.
    The young and healthy are not at substantial risk.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    I saw that too and was not surprised.

    Also, Tucker Carlson did a good piece on how bogus the information coming out of China is, and I was not surprised by that information either.

    Some of us have been nicely mentioning our suspicions about both of these aspects for a while now, and it is starting to look like we have been right. Let's be careful, though, because just like an exponential curve, it can be hard to see the big picture and future trend from our little place at the moment.

    Re China, the propaganda aspect of this is obvious. As the Soviets did during the Space Race, the communist government, with an iron fist around the information that gets out, is trying to convince a gullible world that its methods are superior.

    Yes, we are a mess here, and yes, they are organized and hard-working, but the comparison apples to oranges. We have our own problems, like government doctors at news conferences who lie about masks and who seem to want to steer us away from a harmless possible cure and into big pharma and elaborate, expensive solutions. And Democrat governors who want to turn this crisis into an opportunity to grab power.

    Another unfortunate thing is that we have far too many obese people with unhealthy habits who are the most likely to die from this. No wonder our numbers are climbing as they are.

    , @Lagertha
    One of my friend who has Lupus is having a terrible time getting her usual Paquienine (?), otherwise known as Hydroxycholoroquine. She says doctors are hoarding it and keeping it for themselves and their families - just awful. SO, some doctors are assholes.
  4. The more people there are around you that voted for Hillary, the more likely you are to catch Chinese Flu.

    • Agree: Kronos
    • Replies: @Currier House
    Correct 100% obviously . Corona math (corona panic ) = global warming math (global warming panic) as many greater minds than I have pointed out and why Steve has been so misguided on this one topic (again, possibly just to provoke, it seems.)
    , @Kronos
    The Chinese aren’t the only ones to enjoy “exotic” cooking.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZkAVgsOgaw0/maxresdefault.jpg
    , @Haole
    Another Dem disease.
    , @Jack D
    Not quite. Manhattan voted for Hillary even more than Queens but Queens has more Wuhan Virus.

    This disease came in thru the jet set but the jet set gave it to their cab drivers and cleaning ladies and these guys gave it to their many roommates and large multigenerational families.
    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    This also probably happens more in Hillary-flavored areas:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eight-registered-sex-offenders-released-ny-jail-due-gov-cuomos-statewide-covid-19-orders
    Commit rape, leave lockdown. Hey, whatever it takes! Gotta protect rapists.

    Murderers, too:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=murderers+released+coronavirus&oq=murderers+released+coronavirus&aqs=chrome..69i57.13520j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    , @Clyde

    The more people there are around you that voted for Hillary, the more likely you are to catch Chinese Flu.
     
    California is doing very well per capita. Quite a feat given Cali has the highest state Chinese/Chinese-American population. Highest per capita too. With the Chinese loving to flit-fly-zoom back and forth, ideal for bring the Kung Flu back to California early and often. Some say they this has induced a rough justice herd immunity to Cali-Land.
  5. anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:

    Cripes. There’s been such unprecedented demographic shifts in the last ten years, and it’s created such a racial/cultueral mish-mash, it’s hard to figure. Racially speaking, it looks like everyone’s taking a lick, in one place or another. Last time I was in the Bronx, it was like Beirut, so their shitty numbers are to be expected. Aside from a few old-timey neighborhoods, there’s not a lot of big brains up there.

    Lower Manhattan is where the big brains are, so lower numbers are to be expected. But west Queens? What the hell?

    One could spend days going neighborhood by neighborhood trying to justify the numbers in accordance to the demographic hits.

    Instead, I declare New York City… a shitshow.

    That said… good luck, New York. We’re all counting on you. 👍🏻

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Lower Manhattan is where the big brains are, so lower numbers are to be expected. But west Queens? What the hell?
     
    That would include Astoria, where Samuel P Huntington grew up.
    , @anon

    Instead, I declare New York City… a shitshow
     
    Yes, NYC is babel, a crap-hole of people with no common language or culture - an economic zone unrelated to the rest of America.
    Seal it off and may the best Snake Pliskin win.
    , @Alden
    Isn’t Queens full of recent FOB Chinese immigrants? San Francisco, San Mateo and Santa Clara counties Ca are full of Chinese and international travelers, poor homeless and rich skiers and travelers and we got nuttin.

    5 deaths about 340 cases in 40% Asian San Francisco. 44 deaths about 2,500 cases about 300 hospitalized in LA county Ca with about 8 million people

    37K alleged Chinese virus deaths or all flue and pneumonia deaths this year. Half the 80K flu deaths in 2018.

    It’s another global warming hoax. Who knows what the the global elites plans after this is over. Mass unemployment for sure.
    , @Alden
    All of Queens has about 2 million 300K population according to the census. But it has more deaths and more cases than Los Angeles County Ca with 8 million population according to the census.

    I smell a rat. The same rats who claimed in the mid 1980s that every heterosexual in the world would die of AIDS because AIDS was not caused by sodomizing , rimming and fisting 200 strangers a year. The same rats who wrote books about The Coming Ice Age in the late 1970s and the same rats who’ve been screeching about global warming climate change since the late 1990s.

    The same rats who made it illegal to hire White American men.
  6. anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @Currier House
    I’m in Greenwich Village . Everyone here has it from
    Bars and gyms , no one is sick or shows symptoms because we eat well and take care of ourselves (exercise) and don’t allow media to penetrate our minds because we know all about it because we went to gookd schools and work in finance and media. We are healthy . Virus is Bull Shit. Excuse to take away freedoms and Civil Society . DUH. Love you Steve and most of your ideas but you have been wrong as hell on this whether intentionally or to provoke .

    I’m in Greenwich Village . Everyone here has it from
    Bars and gyms

    The topic is Coronavirus. Not AIDs. But thank you for your input.

    • Replies: @Currier House
    I’m straight , never had sex with men , don’t have Aids, and am talking about Coronavirus , bro.

    Again - we all have it , but no one here is sick , because we take care of ourselves by eating well, exercising , and not allowing the media to penetrate our psycho-physiological defenses . Those who get sick from the virus are suffering from diseases-of-suggestion. I’m trying to help inoculate you , my dear friends and ideological allies , actually , by making you less suggestible to this mind-virus of immuno-respiro-frailty . For real

  7. Anonymous[176] • Disclaimer says:

    Data shows critical corona patients are vast majority morbidly obese and pre-diabetic/diabetic so says expert on Ingraham show tonight.

    Avg BMI is 30-33%!

    So part of the profile is a disgusting fatbody. Come on. 33%?

    You should start taping the Ingraham show Steve. She has assembled a collection of real thought criminals on the Covid issue. The management of foxnews is burying her content on the website.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    BMI is not measured in percent.

    Another piece of evidence why Unz shouldn't allow anonymous commenting on his site.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Yeah, I floated this a while back as a possible reason Japan is doing well --lowest average BMI among developed nations.

    My guess is that the virus is widespread here but undetected due to lack of testing and without high death rates for lack of severe cases for reasons like Lack of obesity
    , @SF
    20-25BMI is healthy. 25-29 is overweight. 30 and above is obese.
  8. @Ozymandias
    The more people there are around you that voted for Hillary, the more likely you are to catch Chinese Flu.

    Correct 100% obviously . Corona math (corona panic ) = global warming math (global warming panic) as many greater minds than I have pointed out and why Steve has been so misguided on this one topic (again, possibly just to provoke, it seems.)

  9. @Ozymandias
    The more people there are around you that voted for Hillary, the more likely you are to catch Chinese Flu.

    The Chinese aren’t the only ones to enjoy “exotic” cooking.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wnSovuEZiXA/Xn-NkjpvqFI/AAAAAAAAb8c/setAZZwuGUQkZgHropaNKSbKbPP0OC8YgCK8BGAsYHg/s0/2020-03-28.png
  10. @Ozymandias
    The more people there are around you that voted for Hillary, the more likely you are to catch Chinese Flu.

    Another Dem disease.

  11. Dr. Deborah Birx repeatedly mentions that New York is following Italy curve almost exactly. If so, In about a week, there may be 10K+ deaths. If that happens, it points to some fundamental invariant in the way the disease spreads and we should expect the pattern to repeat in other urban areas with different time lags. Also, NY is nearly running out of ICU beds and may be forced to make some Italy style difficult decisions on whom to provide scarce resources.

    • Replies: @Alden
    1.000 to 10K next week. Must be some new kind of higher math used for the Chinese virus.

    I wonder how many actually, really died of the Chinese virus and not pneumonia heart problems etc at age 80-90?

    Interesting the obesity rates involved with alleged Chinese virus deaths.
    , @botazefa

    Dr. Deborah Birx repeatedly mentions that New York is following Italy curve almost exactly. If so, In about a week, there may be 10K+ deaths almost exactly. If so, In about a week, there may be 10K+ deaths
     
    Actually, new york death count is currently doubling every 2 1/2 days'ish now. So, in a week the NYC deaths should be approaching 25k
  12. @Sideshow Bob
    I was listening to Laura Ingraham tonight interview a cardiologist with 80 CV patients.

    30% pre-diabetic
    40% diabetic
    30.3 average BMI
    70 y.o. average age

    Younger victims were all very high BMI.
    Hydrochloroquin works. Doctors who deal with a lot of CV are taking it prophylatically.

    Sounds to me like the population who is in danger of a serious cases is easy to identify.
    The young and healthy are not at substantial risk.

    I saw that too and was not surprised.

    Also, Tucker Carlson did a good piece on how bogus the information coming out of China is, and I was not surprised by that information either.

    Some of us have been nicely mentioning our suspicions about both of these aspects for a while now, and it is starting to look like we have been right. Let’s be careful, though, because just like an exponential curve, it can be hard to see the big picture and future trend from our little place at the moment.

    Re China, the propaganda aspect of this is obvious. As the Soviets did during the Space Race, the communist government, with an iron fist around the information that gets out, is trying to convince a gullible world that its methods are superior.

    Yes, we are a mess here, and yes, they are organized and hard-working, but the comparison apples to oranges. We have our own problems, like government doctors at news conferences who lie about masks and who seem to want to steer us away from a harmless possible cure and into big pharma and elaborate, expensive solutions. And Democrat governors who want to turn this crisis into an opportunity to grab power.

    Another unfortunate thing is that we have far too many obese people with unhealthy habits who are the most likely to die from this. No wonder our numbers are climbing as they are.

    • Agree: Lagertha
    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Hey Buzz, let's just go fishin' and forget about all this.
    , @J.Ross
    I was one of the idiots who doubted that the Chinese would lie about this, given that they were unavoidably about to get globally spot-checked, and it's so important. I had forgotten the lesson of Ways That Are Dark (and every single roundeye anecdote about China): Chinese consider the most blatant and lazy lying to be appropriate in all situations, and at times it is even culturally mandated. The obviousness of the lie cannot be a reason to not lie because the reason for lying is to do with politeness or government command, not information.
    , @International Jew
    I don't get it, are those BMI numbers supposed to impress me? 29 is the average BMI in the US:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_body_mass_index
    And those are WHO numbers published in 2014. Our national average BMI is surely higher now by a few points.
    , @Hail

    Tucker Carlson
     
    I have been disappointed in Tucker Carlson's role in this. He has seemingly stopped asking critical questions. He has joined in the media frenzy of inflating the CoronaPanic balloon even when all the data emerging is more and more against the initial kneejerk panic reaction. From what I've seen, Tucker's distinguishing feature from this evil beast I call CoronaPanic is that he simply redirects somewhat more blame onto China than the usual hysterical media people wish to.

    Where is Tucker's skeptical instinct? Tucker has normally been one of the few standing alone for the position of a form of sensible nationalist, for truth, justice, and the American way. A joiner-of-the-mob he has not been. a joiner of the mob who simply tries to slightly redirect the addled townsfolk and the wielded pitchforks in a slightly different direction. To mix metaphors, "China R Real Racists."

    Tucker has really let us down.

    We know Tucker producers read Steve Sailer, so if any of you are reading this, There's still time for Tucker to come back on the side of sanity against the CoronaPanic and for rational thinking; against the destructive, misanthropic shutdown mob; against the cynical pro-shutdown keystone-cop governors (almost all the ringleaders of which are from big-blue states, as it happens).

    , @Anonymous
    The Chinese know they can't beat this disease, and are going to lose a huge number of people regardless of what they do, so the government's priority now is blame-shifting rather than mitigation.

    Expect them any moment now to declare that, yes the disease was beaten - but now it's back - worse than ever - because foreigners have brought it back into the country.

    This is very dangerous for any Westerners still in China. They need to get out, even from 'liberal' places like HK.
  13. I noticed West Queens has a total of 3499 cases, 58 deaths, if you add up its zip codes. They seem to have higher numbers than the other zips. West Queens is very ethnically diverse, and half its population are immigrants.

  14. The relevant data I would like to see about the fatalities is: age, BMI, underlying conditions / contributing factors.

    And most importantly, how many people (per week or day): 1.) died of COVID-19 in NYC, 2.) died, period in NYC, 3.) died last year this time of year in NYC, died this year in January/February in NYC.

    That would tell us something.

  15. t says:

    Brooklyn and Queens Chinatown 11220 and 11355 are both much lower than the adjoining ZIP codes I suspect due to mask wearing. Genetic studies of the virus show that it mostly came to New York from Europe, not China.

    If anyone want they can get the demographics of any zip code from statisticalatlas.com

    Teh area with the most cases is Corona

    • Replies: @t
    https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/corona-nycs-epicenter-coronavirus-outbreak
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Another weird coincidence.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1236427775667572736?s=20
  16. I blame slavery.

    • Agree: Jack Armstrong
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Can pretty much guarantee you that one upshot from this will be even more billions shoveled into these third-world 'hoods which--incredibly enough--are full of third-worlders who--incredibly enough--act like third-worlders even when they're in the USA. Which--incredibly enough--is becoming more and more like the places they came from.

    Anyway, World-Famous Dr Mark Levine knows what's up.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/02/01/26532680-8178159-image-a-45_1585787393538.jpg
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/02/01/26532664-8178159-image-a-47_1585787396630.jpg

    Unlike this racist alt-right type for instance:

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/02/02/26532670-8178159-image-a-7_1585789661414.jpg

  17. @t
    Brooklyn and Queens Chinatown 11220 and 11355 are both much lower than the adjoining ZIP codes I suspect due to mask wearing. Genetic studies of the virus show that it mostly came to New York from Europe, not China.

    If anyone want they can get the demographics of any zip code from statisticalatlas.com

    Teh area with the most cases is Corona

  18. O. T.

    I’ve mentioned before the mountain halls, in Norway, filled with everything a U.S. Marine Expeditionary Division would need (thanks to Trump!).

    Now our government are contemplating robbing the stores for the field hospitals that’s there. (https://www.nrk.no/tromsogfinnmark/norske-fjell-skjuler-amerikansk-krise-sykehus-1.14960638).

    We’ll see.

  19. @Buzz Mohawk
    I saw that too and was not surprised.

    Also, Tucker Carlson did a good piece on how bogus the information coming out of China is, and I was not surprised by that information either.

    Some of us have been nicely mentioning our suspicions about both of these aspects for a while now, and it is starting to look like we have been right. Let's be careful, though, because just like an exponential curve, it can be hard to see the big picture and future trend from our little place at the moment.

    Re China, the propaganda aspect of this is obvious. As the Soviets did during the Space Race, the communist government, with an iron fist around the information that gets out, is trying to convince a gullible world that its methods are superior.

    Yes, we are a mess here, and yes, they are organized and hard-working, but the comparison apples to oranges. We have our own problems, like government doctors at news conferences who lie about masks and who seem to want to steer us away from a harmless possible cure and into big pharma and elaborate, expensive solutions. And Democrat governors who want to turn this crisis into an opportunity to grab power.

    Another unfortunate thing is that we have far too many obese people with unhealthy habits who are the most likely to die from this. No wonder our numbers are climbing as they are.

    Hey Buzz, let’s just go fishin’ and forget about all this.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
  20. @nebulafox
    The Ramones would have made a good song about this.

    It would have been their first.

  21. nsa says:

    Only 150 total dead from CV in South Korea. US deaths already top 4000 with the Bullshitter-in-Chief projecting 200,000 by the end of the year. Have read that NYers still commute on their filthy subways, coughing all over each other the whole way. They can’t figure out what causes an airborne virus to spread…….cough, cough.

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Bugg
    Looking at the map of NYC, if you are dependent on the subway for transportation, or live in a high rise, or are elderly, your odds of being infected appear to be greatly increased. Diblasio so far has inexplicably refused to remove "the homeless" from to subway. If you are going to keep the subway running, this amounts to criminally negligent homicide.His idiot PC schools chancellor in a just world would now be under indictment for that, but sadly not yet. In regular times, you have the subway train pull in, one car is packed , the next is practically empty, and despite KNOWING that the empty car has a bum in it, you try to get into the empty rather than the crowded car in hopes you get a seat, until the Bum Stink fills your nostrils. In a fit of unending PC stupidity, the sainted homeless cannot be removed and deloused nor confined.

    Unreported long term story is going to be how urban density and public transportation are not good things and in fact are very likely bad things for public health. That is as true if you live in luxury Manhattan Trump building, or in JPod's PreWar West Side walk up or a housing project in East New York, or a Queens Boulevard 11 story coop monstrosity filled with well off elderly Jews. Living in an apartment building with recirculated air and sealed windows, followed by going into an elevator to get to street level, followed by boarding a crowded subway car are all not healthful. The places in NYC that are not dependent on the subway and have low rise 1-2 family dwellings are not experiencing levels on infection as those that do. In fact, suspect many of those infected are people who are either first responders and medical people or those who find themselves on the subway to get around. Good luck selling high end NYC luxury apartments.

  22. @Anonymous
    Data shows critical corona patients are vast majority morbidly obese and pre-diabetic/diabetic so says expert on Ingraham show tonight.

    Avg BMI is 30-33%!

    So part of the profile is a disgusting fatbody. Come on. 33%?

    You should start taping the Ingraham show Steve. She has assembled a collection of real thought criminals on the Covid issue. The management of foxnews is burying her content on the website.

    BMI is not measured in percent.

    Another piece of evidence why Unz shouldn’t allow anonymous commenting on his site.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Are you referring to Anonymous's statement?

    "Avg BMI is 30-33%!"

    I took it to mean that 33% of critical corona patients had an avg BMI of 30.

    Maybe Anonymous will clarify it for us.
  23. @t
    Brooklyn and Queens Chinatown 11220 and 11355 are both much lower than the adjoining ZIP codes I suspect due to mask wearing. Genetic studies of the virus show that it mostly came to New York from Europe, not China.

    If anyone want they can get the demographics of any zip code from statisticalatlas.com

    Teh area with the most cases is Corona

    Another weird coincidence.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Dave, that’s *highly suspicious*

    Race in 11368, the worst hit zip code in NYC per one source and likely the USA:

    http://pics4.city-data.com/sgraphs/zips/races-11368.png

    5.8% non-hispanic white.

    Steve’s chart shows this nearby smaller zip has it worse per capita:

    http://pics4.city-data.com/sgraphs/zips/races-11370.png
  24. Anon[195] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    The Ramones would have made a good song about this.

    The Ramones would have made a good song about this.

    The Ramones are all dead. Presumably, had they been alive during a pandemic, they would have been the first to go.

    There’s a sort of weird Curse of King Tut surrounding the Ramones, with all sorts of associates, hangers on, and the like dying youngish.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The Ramones are all dead.
     
    Who are the deadest bands of the rock era, other than these guys? The Bee Gees (2/3) come to mind, as well as the Dave Clark Five (3/5) and Badfinger (3/4). (Let's not count plane crashes.)

    The Seekers are at the other extreme. Their original lineup performed together for 50 or so years, until the singer had to retire for health.
    , @nebulafox
    They had a nice gallows humor that is exceedingly lacking in The Current Year. Perhaps that's what we need.
    , @prosa123
    Marky Ramone is still alive.
  25. Anon[195] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s a NYC Open Data website, which had various demographic and other data by zip code that could be downloaded and added to the spreadsheet:

    https://data.cityofnewyork.us/City-Government/Demographic-Statistics-By-Zip-Code/kku6-nxdu

    Here are the fields for this particular data set (click MORE):

    [MORE]

    — Participant Any individual residing in NYC who is enrolled/participates in a DYCD-funded program. As there are no age, or gender restrictions for individuals to enroll for these programs, DYCD uses the word ‘participant’ to refer to these individuals generically.
    — BOROUGH One of the 5 boroughs of NYC
    — CD NUMBER “Community District Number. Each borough
    — contains its own CD numbers.”
    — CD NAME “The corresponding name of the
    — Community District associated with
    — the CD NUMBER.”
    — ZIP CODE The Zip Code of any of the cities/towns in the five NYC boroughs.
    — COUNT PARTICIPANTS Total Number of DYCD participants in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — COUNT FEMALE Total Number of DYCD female participants in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — PERCENT FEMALE Percent of DYCD female participants in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — COUNT MALE Total Number of DYCD male participants in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — PERCENT MALE Percent of DYCD male participants in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — COUNT GENDER UNKNOWN Total Number of DYCD participants of unknown gender in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — PERCENT GENDER UNKNOWN Percent of DYCD participants of unknown gender in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — COUNT PACIFIC ISLANDER Total Number of DYCD participants whose race is ‘PACIFIC ISLANDER’ in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — PERCENT PACIFIC ISLANDER % of DYCD participants whose race is ‘PACIFIC ISLANDER’ in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — COUNT HISPANIC LATINO Total Number of DYCD participants whose ethnicity is ‘HISPANIC LATINO’ in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — PERCENT HISPANIC LATINO % of DYCD participants whose ethnicity is ‘HISPANIC LATINO’ in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — COUNT AMERICAN INDIAN Total Number of DYCD participants whose race is ‘PACIFIC ISLANDER’ in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — PERCENT AMERICAN INDIAN % of DYCD participants whose race is ‘AMERICAN INDIAN’ in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — COUNT ASIAN Total Number of DYCD participants whose race is ‘ASIAN’ in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — PERCENT ASIAN % of DYCD participants whose race is ‘ASIAN’ in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — COUNT WHITE Total Number of DYCD participants whose race is ‘WHITE’ in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — PERCENT WHITE % of DYCD participants whose race is WHITE in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — “COUNT BLACK or
    — AFRICAN AMERICAN” Total Number of DYCD participants whose race is ‘BLACK or AFRICAN AMERICAN’ in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — “PERCENT BLACK or
    — AFRICAN AMERICAN ” % of DYCD participants whose race is ”BLACK or AFRICAN AMERICAN” in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — COUNT MULTI-RACE Total Number of DYCD participants whose race is ‘MULTI-RACE’ in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — PERCENTAGE MULTI-RACE % of DYCD participants whose race is ”BLACK or AFRICAN AMERICAN” in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — COUNT OTHER RACE Total Number of DYCD participants whose race falls into ‘OTHER RACE’ in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — PERCENT OTHER RACE % of DYCD participants whose race falls into ‘OTHER RACE’ in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — COUNT RACE ‘UNKNOWN ‘ Total Number of DYCD participants whose race is ‘PACIFIC ISLANDER’ in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code
    — PERCENT ETHNICITY UNKNOWN % of DYCD participants whose race is ‘UNKNOWN’ in that Borough, Community District, or Zip Code

    • Thanks: keypusher
  26. anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:

    Biggest Chinese neighborhood in city is Flushing, Queens. 11354 (#12), 11355 (#7), and 11358 (#55). This is some evidence that masks not only protect others if you are sick but are effective in protecting the wearer. Also there probably aren’t many immigrants with ties to Hubei province in Flushing.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Lot of Dongbeiers in Flushing. In the words of the good Derb:

    "Hailing from Dongbei, the frigid bit of China stuck between North Korea and Siberia, Northeasterners generally describe themselves as 豪爽 (háoshuăng; "extroverted," "direct," "fun-loving") while people from elsewhere in the country typically describe them as "alcoholics prone to violent outbursts" and assume them to be affiliated with organized crime. This is unfair. Dongbei guys make great drinking buddies, if you're a guy (if you're a girl, you may want to carry pepper spray), and they're good to have on your side in a fight. And with their big hair, heavy war-paint, piercing accents, negotiable virtue and square-headed boyfriends, Dongbei chicks are like the Jersey girls of China."

    Dongbei girls are a lot-and I mean a *lot*-more fun to hang around than any other group of women in the region, if you don't care for girly-girl behavior.

  27. Anon[249] • Disclaimer says:

    The one thing that stands out for me is that the Chinese have lifted quarantine in many places around China, including Wuhan. Their government is full of liars and face-savers, but they’re not dumb. Okay, so why did they decide to go ahead and lift quarantine?

    The only thing that makes sense is that they have crunched their secret case fatality rate numbers, and calculated the actual death rate from those they now think were infected, and said, “Oh, crud. It’s just a bad flu season. No point in wrecking the economy over this. Everyone back to work.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Xi Jinping visited Wuhan 22 days ago. I figured that said something about how much things had improved there.
    , @Lot
    “ The one thing that stands out for me is that the Chinese have lifted quarantine in many places around China, including Wuhan. ”

    Not really. The new, less restrictive rules still have guards stopping people from visiting apartments of friends and relatives and require government permission and an exam to go to work.

    In other words urban China is still more locked down than NYC.

    https://mb.ntd.com/as-lockdown-measures-in-china-ease-travelers-without-symptoms-spread-virus-further_451167.html

    Most flights still cancelled, restaurants and theaters still closed, most small businesses can’t obtain permission to reopen.

    High profile things like Apple’s stores and factories have reopened.
    , @Anonymous

    The only thing that makes sense is that they have crunched their secret case fatality rate numbers, and calculated the actual death rate from those they now think were infected, and said, “Oh, crud. It’s just a bad flu season. No point in wrecking the economy over this. Everyone back to work.”
     
    And would that be true?
  28. Not enough information to establish a pattern reliably, in my opinion. My godmother has every symptom but can’t be/won’t be tested unless they decide to admit her, and she’s not that ill. Her doctor thinks she has it. If Doctor is correct, then I have it too; we’ve been in isolation together for a week.

    So around here if you’re presenting with symptoms that are not critical, you won’t be tested. We’re in northern Manhattan.

    • Replies: @unit472
    Florida's DOH "Dashboard"

    https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429


    Gives you the number of tests administered as well as the results. That seems to be the most important 'pattern'. The more tests the more cases discovered. Right now only about 1 out of 300 residents have been tested and the positive rate ( statewide) is 10.9%. Of course who presents themselves for testing is not random but, for example, Miami/Dade has done 12,212 tests and has 2,165 positive. Broward 12,170 with 1348 positive.

    The infection vector seems to flow out of Miami north up I-95 and west along Alligator Alley to Naples and Ft. Myers ( Miami residents looking for toilet paper ?) with another vector along I-4 from Orlando into Tampa.

  29. Anonymous[176] • Disclaimer says:

    Love you Steve and most of your ideas but you have been wrong as hell on this whether intentionally or to provoke

    Actually this comment is wrong as hell. Steve has asked questions and sought solutions w/o becoming a doomer. It is the doomerz who have been wrong as hell.

    • Replies: @anon

    Steve has asked questions and sought solutions
     
    Steve's been very positive and level headed through this.
    Can't say the same for Unz and Cochrane - they're the guys you would frag if you were in the front line trenches.
  30. @Anon
    The one thing that stands out for me is that the Chinese have lifted quarantine in many places around China, including Wuhan. Their government is full of liars and face-savers, but they're not dumb. Okay, so why did they decide to go ahead and lift quarantine?

    The only thing that makes sense is that they have crunched their secret case fatality rate numbers, and calculated the actual death rate from those they now think were infected, and said, "Oh, crud. It's just a bad flu season. No point in wrecking the economy over this. Everyone back to work."

    Xi Jinping visited Wuhan 22 days ago. I figured that said something about how much things had improved there.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Improved? Or (to the point suggested by the commenter) just weren't that bad to begin with, and the Chinese figured it out?
    , @Sean
    China still has not supplied data about the Wuhan epidemic that Western epidemiologists are desperate for and need to save lives. If we are reduced to looking at where Xi was standing for hints as if we were Cold War Sovietologists, it indicates that China (the same country that was trusted enough by the UK to be given an enormous 5G contract) is very much remiss in discharging its responsibilities to the rest of the world. Are the Chinese leadership hiding something, seeing this panic in the West as some kind of an opportunity, or simply in the grip of suspicion and resentment?

    Whatever the explanation, this is a watershed for the system in which bankers and hedge funds bet the farm on Chinese growth continuing and get upset with Trump for not assisting the Chinese in pulling the world economy into a putative promised land. Everyone’s pensions are dependant on shareholder value and that is predicated on offshoring to and repatriation of profits from the same country that covered up and then put the blame on America for an outbreak whose origins are still being obscured by Xi . There has to be a better way!


    Escape from Rome: The Failure of Empire and the Road to Prosperity

    In an absorbing narrative that begins with ancient Rome but stretches far beyond it, from Byzantium to China and from Genghis Khan to Napoleon, Scheidel shows how the demise of Rome and the enduring failure of empire-building on European soil ensured competitive fragmentation between and within states. This rich diversity encouraged political, economic, scientific, and technological breakthroughs that allowed Europe to surge ahead while other parts of the world lagged behind, burdened as they were by traditional empires and predatory regimes that lived by conquest. It wasn’t until Europe “escaped” from Rome that it launched an economic transformation that changed the continent and ultimately the world.
     

    Sure they supply cheap goods, but Xi's Imperial Han Emporium are recalescent, as evidenced by their 'disgusting' wet food markets again selling an animal that folklore and and countless horror films have portrayed as a plague vector.

    John Stuart Mill on China
    The modern régime of public opinion is, in an unorganized form, what the Chinese educational and political systems are in an organized; and unless individuality shall be able successfully to assert itself against this yoke, Europe, notwithstanding its noble antecedents and its professed Christianity, will tend to become another China.
     
    Escape from empire indeed.
  31. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Another weird coincidence.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1236427775667572736?s=20

    Dave, that’s *highly suspicious*

    Race in 11368, the worst hit zip code in NYC per one source and likely the USA:

    5.8% non-hispanic white.

    Steve’s chart shows this nearby smaller zip has it worse per capita:

  32. @anonymous
    Cripes. There's been such unprecedented demographic shifts in the last ten years, and it's created such a racial/cultueral mish-mash, it's hard to figure. Racially speaking, it looks like everyone's taking a lick, in one place or another. Last time I was in the Bronx, it was like Beirut, so their shitty numbers are to be expected. Aside from a few old-timey neighborhoods, there's not a lot of big brains up there.

    Lower Manhattan is where the big brains are, so lower numbers are to be expected. But west Queens? What the hell?

    One could spend days going neighborhood by neighborhood trying to justify the numbers in accordance to the demographic hits.

    Instead, I declare New York City... a shitshow.

    That said... good luck, New York. We're all counting on you. 👍🏻

    Lower Manhattan is where the big brains are, so lower numbers are to be expected. But west Queens? What the hell?

    That would include Astoria, where Samuel P Huntington grew up.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    I take that back. Astoria is "Northwest Queens", Zips 11101-6. They're in the middle range, 3 to 5 per thousand.
  33. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    I blame slavery.

    Can pretty much guarantee you that one upshot from this will be even more billions shoveled into these third-world ‘hoods which–incredibly enough–are full of third-worlders who–incredibly enough–act like third-worlders even when they’re in the USA. Which–incredibly enough–is becoming more and more like the places they came from.

    Anyway, World-Famous Dr Mark Levine knows what’s up.
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/02/01/26532664-8178159-image-a-47_1585787396630.jpg

    Unlike this racist alt-right type for instance:

    • Replies: @Forbes
    News flash: People with low socio-economic status have always suffered worse health outcomes than middle class peoples because they have poor behavioral habits and traits. They smoke, They drink excessively. They take illicit drugs. They have poor diets. They engage in risky behaviors. They have poor impulse control. They're overweight. Et cetera, etc. (On average.)

    Yup. That's some inequality!

    But all this inequality is a result of personal behavior and responsibility, i.e. agency. Equality can't be deemed as a right, or legislated. It's a result of individual conduct.

    So Mark D. Levine's picture should accompany the dictionary definition of "pinhead."

  34. @Anon

    The Ramones would have made a good song about this.
     
    The Ramones are all dead. Presumably, had they been alive during a pandemic, they would have been the first to go.

    There's a sort of weird Curse of King Tut surrounding the Ramones, with all sorts of associates, hangers on, and the like dying youngish.

    The Ramones are all dead.

    Who are the deadest bands of the rock era, other than these guys? The Bee Gees (2/3) come to mind, as well as the Dave Clark Five (3/5) and Badfinger (3/4). (Let’s not count plane crashes.)

    The Seekers are at the other extreme. Their original lineup performed together for 50 or so years, until the singer had to retire for health.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    The Mamas and Papas have lost three of four. Only the once lovely Jezebel,Michelle Phillips,lives on.
  35. @anonymous
    Cripes. There's been such unprecedented demographic shifts in the last ten years, and it's created such a racial/cultueral mish-mash, it's hard to figure. Racially speaking, it looks like everyone's taking a lick, in one place or another. Last time I was in the Bronx, it was like Beirut, so their shitty numbers are to be expected. Aside from a few old-timey neighborhoods, there's not a lot of big brains up there.

    Lower Manhattan is where the big brains are, so lower numbers are to be expected. But west Queens? What the hell?

    One could spend days going neighborhood by neighborhood trying to justify the numbers in accordance to the demographic hits.

    Instead, I declare New York City... a shitshow.

    That said... good luck, New York. We're all counting on you. 👍🏻

    Instead, I declare New York City… a shitshow

    Yes, NYC is babel, a crap-hole of people with no common language or culture – an economic zone unrelated to the rest of America.
    Seal it off and may the best Snake Pliskin win.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  36. @Reg Cæsar

    Lower Manhattan is where the big brains are, so lower numbers are to be expected. But west Queens? What the hell?
     
    That would include Astoria, where Samuel P Huntington grew up.

    I take that back. Astoria is “Northwest Queens”, Zips 11101-6. They’re in the middle range, 3 to 5 per thousand.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Yup. I was gonna point you to the 111 zip codes, but you found it.

    They could've reported Queens by neighborhood address. Unlike the other boroughs which the USPS uses the borough name (New York, Brooklyn, etc.) for the address, Queens uses neighborhoods, like Long Island City that everyone knows from the AOC debacle over Amazon jobs.
  37. @Steve Sailer
    Xi Jinping visited Wuhan 22 days ago. I figured that said something about how much things had improved there.

    Improved? Or (to the point suggested by the commenter) just weren’t that bad to begin with, and the Chinese figured it out?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Gotta pick one. In this context can't both claim China is massively lying about number of deaths and continued spreading of the virus.
  38. Lot says:
    @Anon
    The one thing that stands out for me is that the Chinese have lifted quarantine in many places around China, including Wuhan. Their government is full of liars and face-savers, but they're not dumb. Okay, so why did they decide to go ahead and lift quarantine?

    The only thing that makes sense is that they have crunched their secret case fatality rate numbers, and calculated the actual death rate from those they now think were infected, and said, "Oh, crud. It's just a bad flu season. No point in wrecking the economy over this. Everyone back to work."

    “ The one thing that stands out for me is that the Chinese have lifted quarantine in many places around China, including Wuhan. ”

    Not really. The new, less restrictive rules still have guards stopping people from visiting apartments of friends and relatives and require government permission and an exam to go to work.

    In other words urban China is still more locked down than NYC.

    https://mb.ntd.com/as-lockdown-measures-in-china-ease-travelers-without-symptoms-spread-virus-further_451167.html

    Most flights still cancelled, restaurants and theaters still closed, most small businesses can’t obtain permission to reopen.

    High profile things like Apple’s stores and factories have reopened.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    What do you predict is going to happen in the United States in respect of cases, deaths, and impact on the economy, Lot?
  39. @Anonymous
    Love you Steve and most of your ideas but you have been wrong as hell on this whether intentionally or to provoke

    Actually this comment is wrong as hell. Steve has asked questions and sought solutions w/o becoming a doomer. It is the doomerz who have been wrong as hell.

    Steve has asked questions and sought solutions

    Steve’s been very positive and level headed through this.
    Can’t say the same for Unz and Cochrane – they’re the guys you would frag if you were in the front line trenches.

  40. @anonymous
    Cripes. There's been such unprecedented demographic shifts in the last ten years, and it's created such a racial/cultueral mish-mash, it's hard to figure. Racially speaking, it looks like everyone's taking a lick, in one place or another. Last time I was in the Bronx, it was like Beirut, so their shitty numbers are to be expected. Aside from a few old-timey neighborhoods, there's not a lot of big brains up there.

    Lower Manhattan is where the big brains are, so lower numbers are to be expected. But west Queens? What the hell?

    One could spend days going neighborhood by neighborhood trying to justify the numbers in accordance to the demographic hits.

    Instead, I declare New York City... a shitshow.

    That said... good luck, New York. We're all counting on you. 👍🏻

    Isn’t Queens full of recent FOB Chinese immigrants? San Francisco, San Mateo and Santa Clara counties Ca are full of Chinese and international travelers, poor homeless and rich skiers and travelers and we got nuttin.

    5 deaths about 340 cases in 40% Asian San Francisco. 44 deaths about 2,500 cases about 300 hospitalized in LA county Ca with about 8 million people

    37K alleged Chinese virus deaths or all flue and pneumonia deaths this year. Half the 80K flu deaths in 2018.

    It’s another global warming hoax. Who knows what the the global elites plans after this is over. Mass unemployment for sure.

  41. @Buzz Mohawk
    I saw that too and was not surprised.

    Also, Tucker Carlson did a good piece on how bogus the information coming out of China is, and I was not surprised by that information either.

    Some of us have been nicely mentioning our suspicions about both of these aspects for a while now, and it is starting to look like we have been right. Let's be careful, though, because just like an exponential curve, it can be hard to see the big picture and future trend from our little place at the moment.

    Re China, the propaganda aspect of this is obvious. As the Soviets did during the Space Race, the communist government, with an iron fist around the information that gets out, is trying to convince a gullible world that its methods are superior.

    Yes, we are a mess here, and yes, they are organized and hard-working, but the comparison apples to oranges. We have our own problems, like government doctors at news conferences who lie about masks and who seem to want to steer us away from a harmless possible cure and into big pharma and elaborate, expensive solutions. And Democrat governors who want to turn this crisis into an opportunity to grab power.

    Another unfortunate thing is that we have far too many obese people with unhealthy habits who are the most likely to die from this. No wonder our numbers are climbing as they are.

    I was one of the idiots who doubted that the Chinese would lie about this, given that they were unavoidably about to get globally spot-checked, and it’s so important. I had forgotten the lesson of Ways That Are Dark (and every single roundeye anecdote about China): Chinese consider the most blatant and lazy lying to be appropriate in all situations, and at times it is even culturally mandated. The obviousness of the lie cannot be a reason to not lie because the reason for lying is to do with politeness or government command, not information.

    • Replies: @Change that Matters
    Chinese culture, particularly on the mainland, is a culture of avoiding responsibility. If you understand that, everything else slots into place.
    , @Jack D
    Calling it "politeness" puts too nice a spin on it. It's true that the Chinese will sometimes tell face saving lies to spare YOU embarrassment, but 9 times out of 10 it is to spare THEMSELVES embarrassment. They lie a lot more than Westerners because everyone lies and expects others to lie - to them it's strange when Westerners tell the truth when not forced to. Does someone put truth serum in their coffee? Are they children who are not clever enough to lie? Naturally in any situation you should say what is most advantageous to yourself. Whether it is true or false is not really important.
    , @nebulafox
    I'm under few illusions that the CPC lied early and often about the pandemic, like they do about much else (and I think the way the WHO treated Taiwan was nothing short of disgraceful considering Taiwanese acumen in combating the virus), but considering we've had Senators openly profit from a pandemic, maybe Americans should think about what we can control first and foremost: i.e, our own government.

    Over the past 30 years: multiple failed wars, surpluses blown, the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression coinciding with mass elite enrichment, increasingly neo-feudal trends... and this is just a start to the list of complaints I can rattle off. If this isn't a record of incompetence and venality that shouldn't discredit a ruling class and bar them from power in the future, I'm not sure what is. Other nations have had revolutions over less, yet our venal parasitic elites-media, economic, military, and cultural-and their hanger-ons remain firmly in the saddle.

    This needs to change if things are to get better.

  42. @epebble
    Dr. Deborah Birx repeatedly mentions that New York is following Italy curve almost exactly. If so, In about a week, there may be 10K+ deaths. If that happens, it points to some fundamental invariant in the way the disease spreads and we should expect the pattern to repeat in other urban areas with different time lags. Also, NY is nearly running out of ICU beds and may be forced to make some Italy style difficult decisions on whom to provide scarce resources.

    1.000 to 10K next week. Must be some new kind of higher math used for the Chinese virus.

    I wonder how many actually, really died of the Chinese virus and not pneumonia heart problems etc at age 80-90?

    Interesting the obesity rates involved with alleged Chinese virus deaths.

    • Replies: @nymom
    It is the same in NYC.

    They are now classifying all deaths of heart attacks and pneumonia as Corona virus related. It is considered too dangerous to handle the bodies to verify whether or not they have the virus so these deaths are just being lumped in with actual Corona virus deaths.

    Also it is rumored that NYC is not allowing actual burials anymore, everyone has to be cremated. Maybe they are treating it like cholera now which can contaminate the soil if the bodies are not burned.

    So whether through fact or fiction, NYC is becoming the epicenter of the whole thing. We have a field hospital in Central Park and a floating hospital ship in the harbor and rumored fines of up to $500. if you are outside without a valid reason. Anyway I guess we just have to stay indoors now and "ride out the wave".
  43. @Anonymous
    Data shows critical corona patients are vast majority morbidly obese and pre-diabetic/diabetic so says expert on Ingraham show tonight.

    Avg BMI is 30-33%!

    So part of the profile is a disgusting fatbody. Come on. 33%?

    You should start taping the Ingraham show Steve. She has assembled a collection of real thought criminals on the Covid issue. The management of foxnews is burying her content on the website.

    Yeah, I floated this a while back as a possible reason Japan is doing well –lowest average BMI among developed nations.

    My guess is that the virus is widespread here but undetected due to lack of testing and without high death rates for lack of severe cases for reasons like Lack of obesity

    • Replies: @Anon
    The thing that drives me crazy about Japan is the total lack of building of new hospital beds, whether tents, requisitioned arenas, or the Olympic housing or anything. There's less urgency than there should be about things that require a ramp-up time.

    The Yomiuri reported that government-owned hospitals are adding beds, and that the government is trying to convince private hospitals to do so also. Huh?!

    I think we can blame this on MacArthur. The U.S. in its racist anti-Jap frenzy wrote the laws to remove the ability of the central government to compel anything. Even if Abe invokes emergency powers, and that's dragging on forever, he can really only urge prefectures governors to take real action.
  44. @sayless
    Not enough information to establish a pattern reliably, in my opinion. My godmother has every symptom but can't be/won't be tested unless they decide to admit her, and she's not that ill. Her doctor thinks she has it. If Doctor is correct, then I have it too; we've been in isolation together for a week.

    So around here if you're presenting with symptoms that are not critical, you won't be tested. We're in northern Manhattan.

    Florida’s DOH “Dashboard”

    https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429

    Gives you the number of tests administered as well as the results. That seems to be the most important ‘pattern’. The more tests the more cases discovered. Right now only about 1 out of 300 residents have been tested and the positive rate ( statewide) is 10.9%. Of course who presents themselves for testing is not random but, for example, Miami/Dade has done 12,212 tests and has 2,165 positive. Broward 12,170 with 1348 positive.

    The infection vector seems to flow out of Miami north up I-95 and west along Alligator Alley to Naples and Ft. Myers ( Miami residents looking for toilet paper ?) with another vector along I-4 from Orlando into Tampa.

    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    That's the fly in from NYC then drive to your second home infection vector.
  45. @Anonymous
    Data shows critical corona patients are vast majority morbidly obese and pre-diabetic/diabetic so says expert on Ingraham show tonight.

    Avg BMI is 30-33%!

    So part of the profile is a disgusting fatbody. Come on. 33%?

    You should start taping the Ingraham show Steve. She has assembled a collection of real thought criminals on the Covid issue. The management of foxnews is burying her content on the website.

    20-25BMI is healthy. 25-29 is overweight. 30 and above is obese.

  46. @Anon

    The Ramones would have made a good song about this.
     
    The Ramones are all dead. Presumably, had they been alive during a pandemic, they would have been the first to go.

    There's a sort of weird Curse of King Tut surrounding the Ramones, with all sorts of associates, hangers on, and the like dying youngish.

    They had a nice gallows humor that is exceedingly lacking in The Current Year. Perhaps that’s what we need.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    For some of us, gallows humor is just about all we have left.
    , @Anon

    They had a nice gallows humor that is exceedingly lacking in The Current Year. Perhaps that’s what we need.
     
    And they pioneered extreme tribal political polarization, what with Joey and Johnny. Before their time!
    , @BenKenobi
    I'd just like to say this blog SUCKS!

    Eh, up yours, Unz Review.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlmfUXQkIgY
  47. @anonymous
    Cripes. There's been such unprecedented demographic shifts in the last ten years, and it's created such a racial/cultueral mish-mash, it's hard to figure. Racially speaking, it looks like everyone's taking a lick, in one place or another. Last time I was in the Bronx, it was like Beirut, so their shitty numbers are to be expected. Aside from a few old-timey neighborhoods, there's not a lot of big brains up there.

    Lower Manhattan is where the big brains are, so lower numbers are to be expected. But west Queens? What the hell?

    One could spend days going neighborhood by neighborhood trying to justify the numbers in accordance to the demographic hits.

    Instead, I declare New York City... a shitshow.

    That said... good luck, New York. We're all counting on you. 👍🏻

    All of Queens has about 2 million 300K population according to the census. But it has more deaths and more cases than Los Angeles County Ca with 8 million population according to the census.

    I smell a rat. The same rats who claimed in the mid 1980s that every heterosexual in the world would die of AIDS because AIDS was not caused by sodomizing , rimming and fisting 200 strangers a year. The same rats who wrote books about The Coming Ice Age in the late 1970s and the same rats who’ve been screeching about global warming climate change since the late 1990s.

    The same rats who made it illegal to hire White American men.

    • Replies: @justdafacts
    @Alden

    Sorry, if you don't know the details of NYC, then you are just generalizing and making racist assumptions. NYC's chinese FOBs are heavily populated in Flushing and Sunset Park. You can see those zip codes, 11355/11354 and 11220, are like islands of tranquility in a sea of infection, when viewed as cases per 100k people:

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1C2fJFnWQ1A39k3t9n3lDrB-ZP9HeV0S3&ll=40.7345101217781%2C-73.86700278613296&z=11

    And if you look up income per household for those 3 zip codes, they are much lower than the surrounding areas that have extremely high population normalized cases.
  48. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:

    The main cluster in Queens: proximity to La Guardia. Airport employees (9,000 people) catch it early and live nearby, kickstarting community spread in a major way. The first Covid-19 death in Indiana was a lady whose job was driving airport rental cars. At this stage, the timing– how long exponential community spread has been ongoing– ought to easily trump any demographic differences in susceptibility.

    For Borough Park– religious services/practices of devout Orthodox Jews? The Coronavirus church clusters in South Korea were pretty spectacular.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. Yes, airport workers seem like they've been hit hard.
    , @hhsiii
    Yes Borough Park was pretty obvious. They also had a measles outbreak last year. Low vaccination rate.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/khn.org/news/why-measles-hits-so-hard-within-n-y-orthodox-jewish-community/amp/
    , @Mr. Anon

    The main cluster in Queens: proximity to La Guardia. Airport employees (9,000 people) catch it early and live nearby, kickstarting community spread in a major way.
     
    Wouldn't proximity to JFK or Newark be more likely? They are bigger international hubs.
  49. @nebulafox
    They had a nice gallows humor that is exceedingly lacking in The Current Year. Perhaps that's what we need.

    For some of us, gallows humor is just about all we have left.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    “Death smiles at us all, but all a man can do is smile back."
  50. Willis Eschenbach, the compiler off the log-scale graphs that I’ve been posting the last week or so, has a new article up in which he discusses how the smorgasbord of different social distancing measures undertaken by different countries do not seem to be affecting the infection rate. No one measure or combination of measures seems obviously superior to “let her rip,” so it may be time to get serious about pushing back against the lockdown.

    Do Lockdowns Work?
    Willis Eschenback via WattsUpWithThat

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    Backs up what we’ve anecdotally observed in Europe, no? S. Korea seems to be the one exception, but I wonder if their narrative doesn’t fall apart a little under closer examination.
  51. Not exactly a zip code map but there is some data from Washington, DC on location and age.

    https://www.popville.com/2020/04/coronavirus-data-update-washington-dc-4/

    Not exactly all old and male.

  52. @nebulafox
    They had a nice gallows humor that is exceedingly lacking in The Current Year. Perhaps that's what we need.

    They had a nice gallows humor that is exceedingly lacking in The Current Year. Perhaps that’s what we need.

    And they pioneered extreme tribal political polarization, what with Joey and Johnny. Before their time!

  53. @J.Ross
    I was one of the idiots who doubted that the Chinese would lie about this, given that they were unavoidably about to get globally spot-checked, and it's so important. I had forgotten the lesson of Ways That Are Dark (and every single roundeye anecdote about China): Chinese consider the most blatant and lazy lying to be appropriate in all situations, and at times it is even culturally mandated. The obviousness of the lie cannot be a reason to not lie because the reason for lying is to do with politeness or government command, not information.

    Chinese culture, particularly on the mainland, is a culture of avoiding responsibility. If you understand that, everything else slots into place.

  54. Isn’t it possible that New York is overcounting COVID-19 deaths (i.e. chalking up deaths by other causes to COVID-19) because 1.) They’re prima donnas, 2.) They want to better position themselves to argue for a large share of emergency aid, and perhaps even 3.) They want to maximize the body count they will eventually lay at Donald Trump’s feet come November. Again, what we really need to know is how many people are dying now compared to 1.) how many people were dying in January / February of this year, and 2.) how many people were dying in March/April of 2019, 2018, etc. What is the absolute mortality, and has it changed?

    I also wonder how much of the chaos in impacted hospitals, both in New York City and in Italy, is due to the panic itself.

    The government (both federal and state) stokes this great big panic. Lots of people with cold/flu/alergy/corona symptoms stream into the hospitals. Before they would have just stayed home. But now they’re afraid of dying, so they go to the ER. They have to be seen. They have to be tested or triaged.

    Then there is short-staffing. Nurses often go to work sick. A of lot places, being a nurse is a crappy job with low pay and few sick days. And if you call in sick too much you get the chop. That’s what happens in hospitals under normal circumstances. A lot of patients get treated by a nurse who is sicker than they are. But now, if you test positive with corona, you have to quarantine yourself at home for 14 days. So the hospitals are short on nurses just as a bunch of patients start streaming in. Care suffers. How many ventilators can a single nurse tend?

    Plus there might be an effect that when you get a critical mass of patients that cleanliness and infection control go to Hell. The janitor spends half his day wiping down door handles, so how often is he cleaning the toilets? That guy in the waiting room who used the restroom just before you – turns out he has the corona and dropped a load in the john. Then when you flush it, it aerosolizes and you breathe it in. Or you breathe in the usual stew of assorted other viruses and anti-biotic resistant bacteria.

    In recent days there have been photos of reefer trucks outside hospitals used as temporary morgues. I read one story where they interviewed a mortician. It turns out that they have to test all the corpses for corona before releasing them to the mortuary. How long does it take to get test results? A few days – probably longer when there’s a big rush on testing. So – yeah – I can see where the hospital might need some temporary storage. And the City and State are happy to provide some scary looking morgue trucks to goose up the fear and panic level. The Daily Mail story said that they were forking in pallets of bodies into the trucks. But they weren’t. They were lifting up individual gurneys. Again – how many people are dying now compared to how many were dying last January or last year? Why aren’t any journalists asking this? Why are these numbers not made public?

    I don’t know that all of this is happening, or even if any of it is happening. But they seem like questions that would be worth asking. And answering.

    • Agree: hhsiii, Dissident, Federalist
    • Replies: @keypusher
    The government (both federal and state) stokes this great big panic. Lots of people with cold/flu/alergy/corona symptoms stream into the hospitals. Before they would have just stayed home. But now they’re afraid of dying, so they go to the ER. They have to be seen. They have to be tested or triaged.

    What's happening is huge numbers of people are being admitted to ICUs, in New York and elsewhere, not because they have allergy attacks or are prima donnas, but because they are very sick. From a discussion of ICU admissions in France (noting that ICU admissions for covid for the last three weeks are at least three times higher than flu admissions for the entire flu season over the past 10 years):

    Of course, as I noted in my previous blog post, the numbers are probably not entirely comparable. It’s plausible that people with flu-like symptoms are more likely to go to the hospital than during a traditional flu epidemics, but it’s not clear they’re more likely to be admitted to ICU conditional on the severity of their symptoms (I even suspect the opposite is true, since doctors fear ICUs will soon be overwhelmed, which is already the case in some cases), so I doubt this has a substantial effect. Moreover, the French government has been very clear that unless you have serious difficulties breathing, you should just stay at home and wait for the illness to pass. People who don’t have acute symptoms are not even tested.
     
    https://necpluribusimpar.net/intellectual-honesty-in-the-time-of-covid-19/

    Similarly, here in NYC, people are instructed not to go to the hospital unless and until they are short of breath. I have a couple of friends who had the full panoply of symptoms (loss of taste and smell; severe headaches; intestinal distress; persistent high fever and dry cough). But neither ever got desperately ill and both recovered (though one is still pretty weak). Neither went to the hospital and neither was tested. I’m sure that not everyone here is following instructions, but I’m equally sure that the hospitals are not putting people in intensive care unless they’re quite sick.
    , @Currier House
    "Isn’t it possible that New York is overcounting COVID-19 deaths (i.e. chalking up deaths by other causes to COVID-19) because 1.) They’re prima donnas, 2.) They want to better position themselves to argue for a large share of emergency aid, and perhaps even 3.) They want to maximize the body count they will eventually lay at Donald Trump’s feet come November

    The government (both federal and state) stokes this great big panic. Lots of people with cold/flu/alergy/corona symptoms stream into the hospitals. Before they would have just stayed home. But now they’re afraid of dying, so they go to the ER. They have to be seen. They have to be tested or triaged."

    Sir - YOU ARE completely and entirely correct. I am a Government graduate of Harvard. I have lived in New York for 13 years. My father is a big time pulmonologist. I am a Ashkenazi Jew and even by their standards have 8 standard deviation E.Q. You are correct. It's a fugazi. A mild-meld. A psy-op. The people lining up to be tested are the lowest IQ people and or hypos wasting medical resources. Anyone changing their life one iota over this is retarded. RE-OPEN THE GYMS NOW OR ELSE FACE MY CONTINUED EXPOSURE AND WRATH. I WANT BARBELLS TO DEADLIFT & SQUAT. Jerks. Steve is right about every other thing but on Corona, he's pandering and clickbaiting. I'm sorry but again, I'm the smartest and I have decided to "chime in". Thanks kids.

    ps i also have bank and fund experience and media friends and this kind of thing is done to juice vol for 2 sigma, goldman, fidelity, and their despicable diversity equity inclusion batfaced obese lesbo ilk.

    , @Art Deco
    A of lot places, being a nurse is a crappy job with low pay and few sick days. And if you call in sick too much you get the chop.

    Registered nurses whose compensation is at the 10th percentile of their kind are paid about $25 an hour or $4,300 a month plus benefits. LPN's at the 10th percentile are paid about $16 an hour plus benefits. There are 4x as many RNs as there are LPNs. CNA's at the 10th percentile earn about $10.50 an hour plus benefits. There are about 2x as many RNs as CNAs. I believe CNA's are more likely to be found in nursing homes than hospitals.

    NB, the 10th percentile for wages and salaries among registered nurses is equivalent to the 25th percentile among the ordinary run of high school teachers. (To be sure, retirement benefits for high school teachers are more generous). It's somewhere between the 10th and 25th percentile for town planners; just shy of the 25th percentile for insurance underwriters; above the 25th percentile for loan officers; somewhere between the 10th and 25th percentile for occupational health and safety specialists; between the 10th and 25th percentile for technical writers; between the 10th and 25th percentile for epidemiologists; and between the 10th and 25th percentile for accountants.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    An [AGREE] was not good enough for this one, Mr. Anon.

    GREAT COMMENT!
    , @Bugg
    Big nonstory in NY is that politicians of all stripes have allowed real estate developers to take over numerous hospitals for luxury housing without replacing those hospital beds. We have lost Long Island College, St. Vincent's, St. Clare's Victory, Peninsula General, Caledonian to name but a few. NY might not need field hospitals in Central park or Navy ships had it simply kept those hospitals in place.
  55. @Ozymandias
    The more people there are around you that voted for Hillary, the more likely you are to catch Chinese Flu.

    Not quite. Manhattan voted for Hillary even more than Queens but Queens has more Wuhan Virus.

    This disease came in thru the jet set but the jet set gave it to their cab drivers and cleaning ladies and these guys gave it to their many roommates and large multigenerational families.

    • Replies: @Rich
    75.5% of Queens voted for Hilary. No matter how you slice it, that's Clinton country. There aren't too many counties in the US that voted for Hilary at a higher rate.
  56. Anonymous[254] • Disclaimer says:

    Are patients admitted to hospitals counted as cases in the zip code in which the hospital is located?

    If so, we should expect higher numbers in zips with significant hospital presence.

  57. @J.Ross
    I was one of the idiots who doubted that the Chinese would lie about this, given that they were unavoidably about to get globally spot-checked, and it's so important. I had forgotten the lesson of Ways That Are Dark (and every single roundeye anecdote about China): Chinese consider the most blatant and lazy lying to be appropriate in all situations, and at times it is even culturally mandated. The obviousness of the lie cannot be a reason to not lie because the reason for lying is to do with politeness or government command, not information.

    Calling it “politeness” puts too nice a spin on it. It’s true that the Chinese will sometimes tell face saving lies to spare YOU embarrassment, but 9 times out of 10 it is to spare THEMSELVES embarrassment. They lie a lot more than Westerners because everyone lies and expects others to lie – to them it’s strange when Westerners tell the truth when not forced to. Does someone put truth serum in their coffee? Are they children who are not clever enough to lie? Naturally in any situation you should say what is most advantageous to yourself. Whether it is true or false is not really important.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke, Coemgen
  58. Anonymous[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    “ The one thing that stands out for me is that the Chinese have lifted quarantine in many places around China, including Wuhan. ”

    Not really. The new, less restrictive rules still have guards stopping people from visiting apartments of friends and relatives and require government permission and an exam to go to work.

    In other words urban China is still more locked down than NYC.

    https://mb.ntd.com/as-lockdown-measures-in-china-ease-travelers-without-symptoms-spread-virus-further_451167.html

    Most flights still cancelled, restaurants and theaters still closed, most small businesses can’t obtain permission to reopen.

    High profile things like Apple’s stores and factories have reopened.

    What do you predict is going to happen in the United States in respect of cases, deaths, and impact on the economy, Lot?

    • Replies: @Lot
    Check my comment history for details.

    Basically: I am in the low camp on deaths, in the high camp on economic impact.
  59. Anon[969] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    Yeah, I floated this a while back as a possible reason Japan is doing well --lowest average BMI among developed nations.

    My guess is that the virus is widespread here but undetected due to lack of testing and without high death rates for lack of severe cases for reasons like Lack of obesity

    The thing that drives me crazy about Japan is the total lack of building of new hospital beds, whether tents, requisitioned arenas, or the Olympic housing or anything. There’s less urgency than there should be about things that require a ramp-up time.

    The Yomiuri reported that government-owned hospitals are adding beds, and that the government is trying to convince private hospitals to do so also. Huh?!

    I think we can blame this on MacArthur. The U.S. in its racist anti-Jap frenzy wrote the laws to remove the ability of the central government to compel anything. Even if Abe invokes emergency powers, and that’s dragging on forever, he can really only urge prefectures governors to take real action.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    There’s less urgency than there should be about things that require a ramp-up time....I think we can blame this on MacArthur.
     
    Or maybe we can blame it on Curtis LeMay and Fat Man and Little Boy. After being on the receiving end of those, a mere epidemic must seem like a mere philosophical trifle.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_LeMay#World_War_II

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Man_and_Little_Boy


    https://i.imgur.com/JzTBlPU.jpg

    , @Louis Renault
    I wonder what the Chinese are doing in Nanking and the Philippines doing in Bataan.
  60. anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Improved? Or (to the point suggested by the commenter) just weren't that bad to begin with, and the Chinese figured it out?

    Gotta pick one. In this context can’t both claim China is massively lying about number of deaths and continued spreading of the virus.

  61. @anonymous
    Biggest Chinese neighborhood in city is Flushing, Queens. 11354 (#12), 11355 (#7), and 11358 (#55). This is some evidence that masks not only protect others if you are sick but are effective in protecting the wearer. Also there probably aren't many immigrants with ties to Hubei province in Flushing.

    Lot of Dongbeiers in Flushing. In the words of the good Derb:

    “Hailing from Dongbei, the frigid bit of China stuck between North Korea and Siberia, Northeasterners generally describe themselves as 豪爽 (háoshuăng; “extroverted,” “direct,” “fun-loving”) while people from elsewhere in the country typically describe them as “alcoholics prone to violent outbursts” and assume them to be affiliated with organized crime. This is unfair. Dongbei guys make great drinking buddies, if you’re a guy (if you’re a girl, you may want to carry pepper spray), and they’re good to have on your side in a fight. And with their big hair, heavy war-paint, piercing accents, negotiable virtue and square-headed boyfriends, Dongbei chicks are like the Jersey girls of China.”

    Dongbei girls are a lot-and I mean a *lot*-more fun to hang around than any other group of women in the region, if you don’t care for girly-girl behavior.

  62. @J.Ross
    I was one of the idiots who doubted that the Chinese would lie about this, given that they were unavoidably about to get globally spot-checked, and it's so important. I had forgotten the lesson of Ways That Are Dark (and every single roundeye anecdote about China): Chinese consider the most blatant and lazy lying to be appropriate in all situations, and at times it is even culturally mandated. The obviousness of the lie cannot be a reason to not lie because the reason for lying is to do with politeness or government command, not information.

    I’m under few illusions that the CPC lied early and often about the pandemic, like they do about much else (and I think the way the WHO treated Taiwan was nothing short of disgraceful considering Taiwanese acumen in combating the virus), but considering we’ve had Senators openly profit from a pandemic, maybe Americans should think about what we can control first and foremost: i.e, our own government.

    Over the past 30 years: multiple failed wars, surpluses blown, the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression coinciding with mass elite enrichment, increasingly neo-feudal trends… and this is just a start to the list of complaints I can rattle off. If this isn’t a record of incompetence and venality that shouldn’t discredit a ruling class and bar them from power in the future, I’m not sure what is. Other nations have had revolutions over less, yet our venal parasitic elites-media, economic, military, and cultural-and their hanger-ons remain firmly in the saddle.

    This needs to change if things are to get better.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The WHO? Is that the group which was violently wrong about everything each step of the way and which is headed by a medically illiterate African terrorist? The group which would be outperformed by the dead members of the rock band of the same name?
  63. @anon
    The main cluster in Queens: proximity to La Guardia. Airport employees (9,000 people) catch it early and live nearby, kickstarting community spread in a major way. The first Covid-19 death in Indiana was a lady whose job was driving airport rental cars. At this stage, the timing-- how long exponential community spread has been ongoing-- ought to easily trump any demographic differences in susceptibility.

    For Borough Park-- religious services/practices of devout Orthodox Jews? The Coronavirus church clusters in South Korea were pretty spectacular.

    Thanks. Yes, airport workers seem like they’ve been hit hard.

  64. Hmm, my neighborhood is 10075, Upper East Side. That’s a high rate, 8 per thousand. Maybe because Lenox Hill Hospital is across the street from me. I am mostly remote working from my sister’s summer home in East Quogue. Out here with my wife and three kids. They are 11, 6 and 4, the older 2 doing on line schooling.

    I went back Monday to take groceries to my mother-in-law, stop by the office for a bit, and pick up our cat, which we’d left alone for 4 days. I was pretty safe, but got in an elevator with an older couple in my building sans mask.

    I’m not in great shape. Had low blood platelets and in hospital for that two years ago, pretty much resolved. Then a brain hemorrhage last year, also pretty much resolved. No lingering effects. Was gonna have a follow up angio in April but my neurosurgeon agreed with me non-emergent so postponed.

    No heart or lung issues. Don’t smoke. Drink maybe a bit much, couple of beers and glass of wine a night. Probably should cut back on that. 6’1” 185. 55 years old.

    Hmm, guess I should take better care of myself. I’ll do some sit-ups and push-ups tomorrow and go for a walk on the beach after work. Take care all. Try not to stress. Gotta get back to sleep. Too much waking up and checking on iSteve. 😉

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    This article suggests Queens May be harder hit because more service workers and city employees who have to keep taking subway to work. I haven’t been on the subway in two weeks. They were sparse then but they have cut trains so now more tightly packed.

    https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/04/02/why-queens-may-have-emerged-as-new-york-city-s-coronavirus-epicenter

    I took some buses too, but those were sparse. That may have been a bit risky.

    Glad I had a flu shot but that seems silly. Mostly wearing a mask now when I go to grocery store, but not everyone out East is.

    Ok, now back to sleep.
    , @Charon
    Curious: what were the circumstances of the brain hemorrhage? That sounds pretty serious. And how was it decided that the platelet condition justified a hospital stay? What was the treatment for that? Were these two events related? Seems like scary stuff for someone of middle age. Congrats on prevailing.
  65. @anon
    The main cluster in Queens: proximity to La Guardia. Airport employees (9,000 people) catch it early and live nearby, kickstarting community spread in a major way. The first Covid-19 death in Indiana was a lady whose job was driving airport rental cars. At this stage, the timing-- how long exponential community spread has been ongoing-- ought to easily trump any demographic differences in susceptibility.

    For Borough Park-- religious services/practices of devout Orthodox Jews? The Coronavirus church clusters in South Korea were pretty spectacular.

    Yes Borough Park was pretty obvious. They also had a measles outbreak last year. Low vaccination rate.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/khn.org/news/why-measles-hits-so-hard-within-n-y-orthodox-jewish-community/amp/

  66. Lot of Dongbeiers in Flushing.

    Yeah, those Dongbeers have their own country, a fantastic place where they can frolic, cavort and eat civet penises to their hearts content.

  67. @hhsiii
    Hmm, my neighborhood is 10075, Upper East Side. That’s a high rate, 8 per thousand. Maybe because Lenox Hill Hospital is across the street from me. I am mostly remote working from my sister’s summer home in East Quogue. Out here with my wife and three kids. They are 11, 6 and 4, the older 2 doing on line schooling.

    I went back Monday to take groceries to my mother-in-law, stop by the office for a bit, and pick up our cat, which we’d left alone for 4 days. I was pretty safe, but got in an elevator with an older couple in my building sans mask.

    I’m not in great shape. Had low blood platelets and in hospital for that two years ago, pretty much resolved. Then a brain hemorrhage last year, also pretty much resolved. No lingering effects. Was gonna have a follow up angio in April but my neurosurgeon agreed with me non-emergent so postponed.

    No heart or lung issues. Don’t smoke. Drink maybe a bit much, couple of beers and glass of wine a night. Probably should cut back on that. 6’1” 185. 55 years old.

    Hmm, guess I should take better care of myself. I’ll do some sit-ups and push-ups tomorrow and go for a walk on the beach after work. Take care all. Try not to stress. Gotta get back to sleep. Too much waking up and checking on iSteve. 😉

    This article suggests Queens May be harder hit because more service workers and city employees who have to keep taking subway to work. I haven’t been on the subway in two weeks. They were sparse then but they have cut trains so now more tightly packed.

    https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/04/02/why-queens-may-have-emerged-as-new-york-city-s-coronavirus-epicenter

    I took some buses too, but those were sparse. That may have been a bit risky.

    Glad I had a flu shot but that seems silly. Mostly wearing a mask now when I go to grocery store, but not everyone out East is.

    Ok, now back to sleep.

  68. @nebulafox
    The Ramones would have made a good song about this.

    Twenty twenty twenty-four more weeks to go, oh
    Don’t wanna be secluded
    Nothin’ to do, nowhere to go, oh
    I hate bein’ secluded

    Call constitutional lawyers
    Get me a referendum
    DeBlasio’s prohibitions,
    Ya know I wanna end ’em

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm51ihfi1p4
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Oh, the Four Great Guys From Queens are all over this situation....

    Hey DeBlasio
    I don't wanna go
    Down to the basement
    There's something down there
    I don't wanna go
    Down to the basement

    or,

    I don't wanna walk around with you,
    I don't wanna go out with you,
    I don't wanna walk around with you!
    So why you wanna walk around with me?
    I DONT WANNA WALK AROUND WITH YOU!

    or,

    First rule is: The Laws of Germany!
    Second rule is: Be nice to Mommy!
    Third rule is: Don't talk to commies!
    Fourth rule is: Eat kosher salamis!

    Look out below.....
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Thanks!
  69. @Mr McKenna
    For some of us, gallows humor is just about all we have left.

    “Death smiles at us all, but all a man can do is smile back.”

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Funny you should mention, because I just came across a famous bit from Horace:

    Omnes una manet nox
    For all of us, awaits one night

  70. What jumps out at me is that Staten Island seems to have left New York City, which has long been the dream of many Italian-Americans who live (no one ‘lives’there) reside there.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    Staten Island north of the Staten Island Expressway (I-278) is a lot more urban and a lot less affluent than most other parts of the borough.
  71. @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Twenty twenty twenty-four more weeks to go, oh
    Don't wanna be secluded
    Nothin' to do, nowhere to go, oh
    I hate bein' secluded

    Call constitutional lawyers
    Get me a referendum
    DeBlasio's prohibitions,
    Ya know I wanna end 'em

    • Thanks: hhsiii
    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Nearly included that, old boy - sorry - plus, I botched the last line of the first verse. There were several seconds too little time left to emend "I hate being secluded" to "Don't wanna be secluded" or "I hate to be secluded". Timing's off a bit there . . .
  72. @Intelligent Dasein
    Willis Eschenbach, the compiler off the log-scale graphs that I've been posting the last week or so, has a new article up in which he discusses how the smorgasbord of different social distancing measures undertaken by different countries do not seem to be affecting the infection rate. No one measure or combination of measures seems obviously superior to "let her rip," so it may be time to get serious about pushing back against the lockdown.

    Do Lockdowns Work?
    Willis Eschenback via WattsUpWithThat

    Backs up what we’ve anecdotally observed in Europe, no? S. Korea seems to be the one exception, but I wonder if their narrative doesn’t fall apart a little under closer examination.

  73. @Steve Sailer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm51ihfi1p4

    Nearly included that, old boy – sorry – plus, I botched the last line of the first verse. There were several seconds too little time left to emend “I hate being secluded” to “Don’t wanna be secluded” or “I hate to be secluded”. Timing’s off a bit there . . .

  74. @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Twenty twenty twenty-four more weeks to go, oh
    Don't wanna be secluded
    Nothin' to do, nowhere to go, oh
    I hate bein' secluded

    Call constitutional lawyers
    Get me a referendum
    DeBlasio's prohibitions,
    Ya know I wanna end 'em

    Oh, the Four Great Guys From Queens are all over this situation….

    Hey DeBlasio
    I don’t wanna go
    Down to the basement
    There’s something down there
    I don’t wanna go
    Down to the basement

    or,

    I don’t wanna walk around with you,
    I don’t wanna go out with you,
    I don’t wanna walk around with you!
    So why you wanna walk around with me?
    I DONT WANNA WALK AROUND WITH YOU!

    or,

    First rule is: The Laws of Germany!
    Second rule is: Be nice to Mommy!
    Third rule is: Don’t talk to commies!
    Fourth rule is: Eat kosher salamis!

    Look out below…..

  75. @Ozymandias
    The more people there are around you that voted for Hillary, the more likely you are to catch Chinese Flu.

    This also probably happens more in Hillary-flavored areas:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eight-registered-sex-offenders-released-ny-jail-due-gov-cuomos-statewide-covid-19-orders
    Commit rape, leave lockdown. Hey, whatever it takes! Gotta protect rapists.

    Murderers, too:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=murderers+released+coronavirus&oq=murderers+released+coronavirus&aqs=chrome..69i57.13520j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

  76. The wealthier Manhattan residents fled to their second homes in the past few weeks, for Long Island, Florida, or upstate. This is an obvious factor.

  77. @Currier House
    I’m in Greenwich Village . Everyone here has it from
    Bars and gyms , no one is sick or shows symptoms because we eat well and take care of ourselves (exercise) and don’t allow media to penetrate our minds because we know all about it because we went to gookd schools and work in finance and media. We are healthy . Virus is Bull Shit. Excuse to take away freedoms and Civil Society . DUH. Love you Steve and most of your ideas but you have been wrong as hell on this whether intentionally or to provoke .

    I’m in Greenwich Village . Everyone here has it from
    Bars and gyms

    What about bathhouses?

    , no one is sick or shows symptoms because we eat well and take care of ourselves (exercise) and don’t allow media to penetrate our minds

    That last part about media, at least, I would have to challenge. But even if correct, such a statement just begs for the rejoinder:
    If only the same could be said for a different, very visceral form of penetration… The epidemiological profile for Greenwich Village would be vastly better.
    (Some elaboration:
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/coronavirus-delays-reopening-of-san-franciscos-gay-bathhouses/#comment-3769362 )

    • Replies: @Currier House
    I’m straight , thank you very much , and I don’t have AIDS, thank God . I was specifically referring to Corona-Virus . Again, we all have it, but no one is sick, no one shows symptoms , because our bodies , immune systems , and minds are strong .

    Greenwich Village happens to also have a lot of traditional high culture . While there are some homosexuals , it’s really not all about that . It happens to be a very livable, relatively leafy , less dense / crowded / polluted , yet still centrally located part of Manhattan . Some stuff that gays like, smart straight people also like - art galleries , good restaurants and gyms , architecture . I don’t go to “bathhouses,” I like women (intelligent Asian girls in their 20s ideally) , and am speaking directly to Coronavirus . You guys project too much sometimes.

    I’m trying to help you understand what is really going on with the virus because I’m in a unique position to actually perceive the real dynamics at play and understand it. I’m trying to illuminate y’all and by extension , the world . No one actually knows anyone who is sick from this deadly virus. K?
  78. @Mr. Anon
    Isn't it possible that New York is overcounting COVID-19 deaths (i.e. chalking up deaths by other causes to COVID-19) because 1.) They're prima donnas, 2.) They want to better position themselves to argue for a large share of emergency aid, and perhaps even 3.) They want to maximize the body count they will eventually lay at Donald Trump's feet come November. Again, what we really need to know is how many people are dying now compared to 1.) how many people were dying in January / February of this year, and 2.) how many people were dying in March/April of 2019, 2018, etc. What is the absolute mortality, and has it changed?

    I also wonder how much of the chaos in impacted hospitals, both in New York City and in Italy, is due to the panic itself.

    The government (both federal and state) stokes this great big panic. Lots of people with cold/flu/alergy/corona symptoms stream into the hospitals. Before they would have just stayed home. But now they're afraid of dying, so they go to the ER. They have to be seen. They have to be tested or triaged.

    Then there is short-staffing. Nurses often go to work sick. A of lot places, being a nurse is a crappy job with low pay and few sick days. And if you call in sick too much you get the chop. That's what happens in hospitals under normal circumstances. A lot of patients get treated by a nurse who is sicker than they are. But now, if you test positive with corona, you have to quarantine yourself at home for 14 days. So the hospitals are short on nurses just as a bunch of patients start streaming in. Care suffers. How many ventilators can a single nurse tend?

    Plus there might be an effect that when you get a critical mass of patients that cleanliness and infection control go to Hell. The janitor spends half his day wiping down door handles, so how often is he cleaning the toilets? That guy in the waiting room who used the restroom just before you - turns out he has the corona and dropped a load in the john. Then when you flush it, it aerosolizes and you breathe it in. Or you breathe in the usual stew of assorted other viruses and anti-biotic resistant bacteria.

    In recent days there have been photos of reefer trucks outside hospitals used as temporary morgues. I read one story where they interviewed a mortician. It turns out that they have to test all the corpses for corona before releasing them to the mortuary. How long does it take to get test results? A few days - probably longer when there's a big rush on testing. So - yeah - I can see where the hospital might need some temporary storage. And the City and State are happy to provide some scary looking morgue trucks to goose up the fear and panic level. The Daily Mail story said that they were forking in pallets of bodies into the trucks. But they weren't. They were lifting up individual gurneys. Again - how many people are dying now compared to how many were dying last January or last year? Why aren't any journalists asking this? Why are these numbers not made public?

    I don't know that all of this is happening, or even if any of it is happening. But they seem like questions that would be worth asking. And answering.

    The government (both federal and state) stokes this great big panic. Lots of people with cold/flu/alergy/corona symptoms stream into the hospitals. Before they would have just stayed home. But now they’re afraid of dying, so they go to the ER. They have to be seen. They have to be tested or triaged.

    What’s happening is huge numbers of people are being admitted to ICUs, in New York and elsewhere, not because they have allergy attacks or are prima donnas, but because they are very sick. From a discussion of ICU admissions in France (noting that ICU admissions for covid for the last three weeks are at least three times higher than flu admissions for the entire flu season over the past 10 years):

    Of course, as I noted in my previous blog post, the numbers are probably not entirely comparable. It’s plausible that people with flu-like symptoms are more likely to go to the hospital than during a traditional flu epidemics, but it’s not clear they’re more likely to be admitted to ICU conditional on the severity of their symptoms (I even suspect the opposite is true, since doctors fear ICUs will soon be overwhelmed, which is already the case in some cases), so I doubt this has a substantial effect. Moreover, the French government has been very clear that unless you have serious difficulties breathing, you should just stay at home and wait for the illness to pass. People who don’t have acute symptoms are not even tested.

    https://necpluribusimpar.net/intellectual-honesty-in-the-time-of-covid-19/

    Similarly, here in NYC, people are instructed not to go to the hospital unless and until they are short of breath. I have a couple of friends who had the full panoply of symptoms (loss of taste and smell; severe headaches; intestinal distress; persistent high fever and dry cough). But neither ever got desperately ill and both recovered (though one is still pretty weak). Neither went to the hospital and neither was tested. I’m sure that not everyone here is following instructions, but I’m equally sure that the hospitals are not putting people in intensive care unless they’re quite sick.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    I recall some assigned reading from James Kurth that included a discussion of government structures in north amd south Europe. My recollection is that it was undecided whether to group France in with Spain and Italy or in with Germany and the low countries. I guess now we know...
    , @Mr. Anon

    Similarly, here in NYC, people are instructed not to go to the hospital unless and until they are short of breath. I have a couple of friends who had the full panoply of symptoms (loss of taste and smell; severe headaches; intestinal distress; persistent high fever and dry cough). Neither went to the hospital and neither was tested.
     
    A lot of people are short of breath all the time. My guess is that there are lot of people in New York who are not your friends, so the pool of unhealthy maybe panicked people who never-the-less don't have COVID-19 is possibly quite large.

    I’m sure that not everyone here is following instructions, but I’m equally sure that the hospitals are not putting people in intensive care unless they’re quite sick.
     
    I'm sure they're not, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that a lot of these people are actually contracting the virus (or some other pathogen) in the hospital. A common trajectory (at least according to the mostly useless media reports) is this: person goes to the hospital, is seen, sent home, comes back a few days or a week later, much worse, and is put into the ICU. It's possible that people are going into hospitals when they only have colds, because they've been scared s**tless by the media, and then end up acquiring a much more serious illness in the hospital.
  79. @nebulafox
    I'm under few illusions that the CPC lied early and often about the pandemic, like they do about much else (and I think the way the WHO treated Taiwan was nothing short of disgraceful considering Taiwanese acumen in combating the virus), but considering we've had Senators openly profit from a pandemic, maybe Americans should think about what we can control first and foremost: i.e, our own government.

    Over the past 30 years: multiple failed wars, surpluses blown, the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression coinciding with mass elite enrichment, increasingly neo-feudal trends... and this is just a start to the list of complaints I can rattle off. If this isn't a record of incompetence and venality that shouldn't discredit a ruling class and bar them from power in the future, I'm not sure what is. Other nations have had revolutions over less, yet our venal parasitic elites-media, economic, military, and cultural-and their hanger-ons remain firmly in the saddle.

    This needs to change if things are to get better.

    The WHO? Is that the group which was violently wrong about everything each step of the way and which is headed by a medically illiterate African terrorist? The group which would be outperformed by the dead members of the rock band of the same name?

    • Replies: @Pontius
    See, there's your problem. As Toronto found out with SARS, you don't involve the WHO, you involve the Rolling Stones.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcWWloBGpH0
  80. @hhsiii
    Hmm, my neighborhood is 10075, Upper East Side. That’s a high rate, 8 per thousand. Maybe because Lenox Hill Hospital is across the street from me. I am mostly remote working from my sister’s summer home in East Quogue. Out here with my wife and three kids. They are 11, 6 and 4, the older 2 doing on line schooling.

    I went back Monday to take groceries to my mother-in-law, stop by the office for a bit, and pick up our cat, which we’d left alone for 4 days. I was pretty safe, but got in an elevator with an older couple in my building sans mask.

    I’m not in great shape. Had low blood platelets and in hospital for that two years ago, pretty much resolved. Then a brain hemorrhage last year, also pretty much resolved. No lingering effects. Was gonna have a follow up angio in April but my neurosurgeon agreed with me non-emergent so postponed.

    No heart or lung issues. Don’t smoke. Drink maybe a bit much, couple of beers and glass of wine a night. Probably should cut back on that. 6’1” 185. 55 years old.

    Hmm, guess I should take better care of myself. I’ll do some sit-ups and push-ups tomorrow and go for a walk on the beach after work. Take care all. Try not to stress. Gotta get back to sleep. Too much waking up and checking on iSteve. 😉

    Curious: what were the circumstances of the brain hemorrhage? That sounds pretty serious. And how was it decided that the platelet condition justified a hospital stay? What was the treatment for that? Were these two events related? Seems like scary stuff for someone of middle age. Congrats on prevailing.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    The platelets got down to 17k. Huge bruise on my back around the kidney like hit by a 2 by 4. But no idea why. Still below normal but 120s now. They don’t freak out until below50 and more like 30.

    Hemorrhage right after Thanksgiving almost a year later. You’d think related but idiopathic, both. Post coital (thanks, honey). But no other symptoms, no slurred speech or face numbness. Fine now. Very weird. Must be something but they haven’t found anything. Not an aneurysm. Subarachnoid bleed.

    BTW the Upper East Side stats per 1000 likely way off. Half of us are on Long Island, Catskills, Lake George, etc. it’s getting bad out here now.
  81. @Dissident

    I’m in Greenwich Village . Everyone here has it from
    Bars and gyms
     
    What about bathhouses?

    , no one is sick or shows symptoms because we eat well and take care of ourselves (exercise) and don’t allow media to penetrate our minds
     
    That last part about media, at least, I would have to challenge. But even if correct, such a statement just begs for the rejoinder:
    If only the same could be said for a different, very visceral form of penetration... The epidemiological profile for Greenwich Village would be vastly better.
    (Some elaboration:
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/coronavirus-delays-reopening-of-san-franciscos-gay-bathhouses/#comment-3769362 )

    I’m straight , thank you very much , and I don’t have AIDS, thank God . I was specifically referring to Corona-Virus . Again, we all have it, but no one is sick, no one shows symptoms , because our bodies , immune systems , and minds are strong .

    Greenwich Village happens to also have a lot of traditional high culture . While there are some homosexuals , it’s really not all about that . It happens to be a very livable, relatively leafy , less dense / crowded / polluted , yet still centrally located part of Manhattan . Some stuff that gays like, smart straight people also like – art galleries , good restaurants and gyms , architecture . I don’t go to “bathhouses,” I like women (intelligent Asian girls in their 20s ideally) , and am speaking directly to Coronavirus . You guys project too much sometimes.

    I’m trying to help you understand what is really going on with the virus because I’m in a unique position to actually perceive the real dynamics at play and understand it. I’m trying to illuminate y’all and by extension , the world . No one actually knows anyone who is sick from this deadly virus. K?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Sorry man, I have a rule to disregard anything said by people who put spaces on both sides of their punctuation. G0 away and speak directly to Coronavirus. You might want to sacrifice some bats to it, too.
  82. @anonymous

    I’m in Greenwich Village . Everyone here has it from
    Bars and gyms
     
    The topic is Coronavirus. Not AIDs. But thank you for your input.

    I’m straight , never had sex with men , don’t have Aids, and am talking about Coronavirus , bro.

    Again – we all have it , but no one here is sick , because we take care of ourselves by eating well, exercising , and not allowing the media to penetrate our psycho-physiological defenses . Those who get sick from the virus are suffering from diseases-of-suggestion. I’m trying to help inoculate you , my dear friends and ideological allies , actually , by making you less suggestible to this mind-virus of immuno-respiro-frailty . For real

  83. @Anon
    The thing that drives me crazy about Japan is the total lack of building of new hospital beds, whether tents, requisitioned arenas, or the Olympic housing or anything. There's less urgency than there should be about things that require a ramp-up time.

    The Yomiuri reported that government-owned hospitals are adding beds, and that the government is trying to convince private hospitals to do so also. Huh?!

    I think we can blame this on MacArthur. The U.S. in its racist anti-Jap frenzy wrote the laws to remove the ability of the central government to compel anything. Even if Abe invokes emergency powers, and that's dragging on forever, he can really only urge prefectures governors to take real action.

    There’s less urgency than there should be about things that require a ramp-up time….I think we can blame this on MacArthur.

    Or maybe we can blame it on Curtis LeMay and Fat Man and Little Boy. After being on the receiving end of those, a mere epidemic must seem like a mere philosophical trifle.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_LeMay#World_War_II

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Man_and_Little_Boy

    • Replies: @Anon
    The big three war crimes ... fortunately the U.S. won, so it could try the Japanese instead.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Pilt, I watched, over the past three nights, the TV series 'Pacific War in Color.' Curtis LeMay's quote:"If we hadn't won the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal." Fire bombed 67 cities, estimated death toll 500,000 civilians. My dad was in the Pacific with the Navy. His ship was at Okinawa, 12,500 US dead, 100,000 Japanese troops dead and 100,000 plus Okinawans dead. Next step was invading mainland Japan. So, from my personal perspective, thank you General.
  84. a huge percentage of people who reside in lower Manhattan have homes elsewhere and probably went home before or right after the covid lockdown. This might be why their rate of cases is lower even though they tend to resemble the jet set demographic who initially was contracting this virus more.

  85. @Kronos
    The Chinese aren’t the only ones to enjoy “exotic” cooking.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZkAVgsOgaw0/maxresdefault.jpg

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    That's awesome.

    Chick-fil-A really ought to run with that. Howl's of outrage ... but great advertising.
  86. Kind of interesting that the Upper West Side zips (10023-10025) have similar per capita as much of Harlem. Off topic but related, I’ve been wondering why fatalities have been so much lower in East Asia than Europe/US. Masks and BMI may be reasons. Maybe China is lying about the data. But I wonder if the underlying reason is that Asians have built up some kind of resistance to these types of diseases. Going through the historical list of pandemics, it seems like a lot of them originated in Asia. This could be similar to thd introduction of small pox by Europeans to the Americas.

  87. One thing that has always stood out to me about the Chinese death numbers is the ridiculously high number of Chinese men who smoke. I think there is no doubt that smokers are at more risk from the effects of other Coronavirus, and I’m surprised the media hasn’t emphasized this more, what with them being on a decades-long anti-smoking crusade. A former pack a day smoker myself, I still light up occasionally, usually when I’m under stress. And while this has been a stressful time, there’s no way I’m putting myself at more risk.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    When it comes to smoking (actually when it comes to a lot of things safety and pollution related), China is like America circa 1960. It's just sort of assumed that adult men smoke (and drink) - that's what normal adult men do. Some smoke (and drink) a lot and some smoke (and drink) less. People will offer you a cigarette and even if you don't smoke back home in America, you take one just to be polite. One cigarette never killed anyone. They don't have this American style "one drop rule" absolutist notion when it comes to being "a smoker".

    When I was a little kid it used to be normal to have a container of cigarettes on the table (together with engraved souvenir matches) at a wedding or other catered affair just to show your hospitality. No one thought anything of it.
  88. @PiltdownMan

    There’s less urgency than there should be about things that require a ramp-up time....I think we can blame this on MacArthur.
     
    Or maybe we can blame it on Curtis LeMay and Fat Man and Little Boy. After being on the receiving end of those, a mere epidemic must seem like a mere philosophical trifle.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_LeMay#World_War_II

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Man_and_Little_Boy


    https://i.imgur.com/JzTBlPU.jpg

    The big three war crimes … fortunately the U.S. won, so it could try the Japanese instead.

  89. @Buzz Mohawk
    I saw that too and was not surprised.

    Also, Tucker Carlson did a good piece on how bogus the information coming out of China is, and I was not surprised by that information either.

    Some of us have been nicely mentioning our suspicions about both of these aspects for a while now, and it is starting to look like we have been right. Let's be careful, though, because just like an exponential curve, it can be hard to see the big picture and future trend from our little place at the moment.

    Re China, the propaganda aspect of this is obvious. As the Soviets did during the Space Race, the communist government, with an iron fist around the information that gets out, is trying to convince a gullible world that its methods are superior.

    Yes, we are a mess here, and yes, they are organized and hard-working, but the comparison apples to oranges. We have our own problems, like government doctors at news conferences who lie about masks and who seem to want to steer us away from a harmless possible cure and into big pharma and elaborate, expensive solutions. And Democrat governors who want to turn this crisis into an opportunity to grab power.

    Another unfortunate thing is that we have far too many obese people with unhealthy habits who are the most likely to die from this. No wonder our numbers are climbing as they are.

    I don’t get it, are those BMI numbers supposed to impress me? 29 is the average BMI in the US:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_body_mass_index
    And those are WHO numbers published in 2014. Our national average BMI is surely higher now by a few points.

    • Agree: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Indeed, as we all know, we are an increasingly fat country, ranking #16 on your list of 190. This contributes to the American mortality rate of Corona-chan, and it is one reason why comparisons to slimmer nations could end up being somewhat misleading. Remember too that obesity contributes to diabetes, which 40% to 70% of those patients have. There are so many confounding variables in this whole event that I laugh to myself whenever anyone, including myself, appears too certain.
  90. Borough Park is the Orthodox Jewish area, while West Queens includes Elmhurst — which I’ve been noting is highly Chinese — as well as parts of heavily Asian Flushing. 11369 abuts LaGuardia, so maybe a lot of residents work at the airport, an obvious vector of infection.

    Kinda funny that there’s a “Chelsea and Clinton.” Great chart — with Queens and Brooklyn being a patchwork of ethnic neighborhoods, this might be as close as you can get to a racial breakdown they seem to want to keep under wraps. Wonder how the middle-eastern and Indo/Pak nabes are faring but it’s hard to filter out all the Hispanics.

    These zip codes bring back fond memories — for 10 years I mystery-shopped almost all of these post offices, except for Staten Island and a few of the most notoriously ghettoish. There also are assignments where you spend all day at the airport, evaluating about 15 shops and eateries

  91. @unit472
    Florida's DOH "Dashboard"

    https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429


    Gives you the number of tests administered as well as the results. That seems to be the most important 'pattern'. The more tests the more cases discovered. Right now only about 1 out of 300 residents have been tested and the positive rate ( statewide) is 10.9%. Of course who presents themselves for testing is not random but, for example, Miami/Dade has done 12,212 tests and has 2,165 positive. Broward 12,170 with 1348 positive.

    The infection vector seems to flow out of Miami north up I-95 and west along Alligator Alley to Naples and Ft. Myers ( Miami residents looking for toilet paper ?) with another vector along I-4 from Orlando into Tampa.

    That’s the fly in from NYC then drive to your second home infection vector.

  92. @Mr. Anon
    Isn't it possible that New York is overcounting COVID-19 deaths (i.e. chalking up deaths by other causes to COVID-19) because 1.) They're prima donnas, 2.) They want to better position themselves to argue for a large share of emergency aid, and perhaps even 3.) They want to maximize the body count they will eventually lay at Donald Trump's feet come November. Again, what we really need to know is how many people are dying now compared to 1.) how many people were dying in January / February of this year, and 2.) how many people were dying in March/April of 2019, 2018, etc. What is the absolute mortality, and has it changed?

    I also wonder how much of the chaos in impacted hospitals, both in New York City and in Italy, is due to the panic itself.

    The government (both federal and state) stokes this great big panic. Lots of people with cold/flu/alergy/corona symptoms stream into the hospitals. Before they would have just stayed home. But now they're afraid of dying, so they go to the ER. They have to be seen. They have to be tested or triaged.

    Then there is short-staffing. Nurses often go to work sick. A of lot places, being a nurse is a crappy job with low pay and few sick days. And if you call in sick too much you get the chop. That's what happens in hospitals under normal circumstances. A lot of patients get treated by a nurse who is sicker than they are. But now, if you test positive with corona, you have to quarantine yourself at home for 14 days. So the hospitals are short on nurses just as a bunch of patients start streaming in. Care suffers. How many ventilators can a single nurse tend?

    Plus there might be an effect that when you get a critical mass of patients that cleanliness and infection control go to Hell. The janitor spends half his day wiping down door handles, so how often is he cleaning the toilets? That guy in the waiting room who used the restroom just before you - turns out he has the corona and dropped a load in the john. Then when you flush it, it aerosolizes and you breathe it in. Or you breathe in the usual stew of assorted other viruses and anti-biotic resistant bacteria.

    In recent days there have been photos of reefer trucks outside hospitals used as temporary morgues. I read one story where they interviewed a mortician. It turns out that they have to test all the corpses for corona before releasing them to the mortuary. How long does it take to get test results? A few days - probably longer when there's a big rush on testing. So - yeah - I can see where the hospital might need some temporary storage. And the City and State are happy to provide some scary looking morgue trucks to goose up the fear and panic level. The Daily Mail story said that they were forking in pallets of bodies into the trucks. But they weren't. They were lifting up individual gurneys. Again - how many people are dying now compared to how many were dying last January or last year? Why aren't any journalists asking this? Why are these numbers not made public?

    I don't know that all of this is happening, or even if any of it is happening. But they seem like questions that would be worth asking. And answering.

    “Isn’t it possible that New York is overcounting COVID-19 deaths (i.e. chalking up deaths by other causes to COVID-19) because 1.) They’re prima donnas, 2.) They want to better position themselves to argue for a large share of emergency aid, and perhaps even 3.) They want to maximize the body count they will eventually lay at Donald Trump’s feet come November

    The government (both federal and state) stokes this great big panic. Lots of people with cold/flu/alergy/corona symptoms stream into the hospitals. Before they would have just stayed home. But now they’re afraid of dying, so they go to the ER. They have to be seen. They have to be tested or triaged.”

    Sir – YOU ARE completely and entirely correct. I am a Government graduate of Harvard. I have lived in New York for 13 years. My father is a big time pulmonologist. I am a Ashkenazi Jew and even by their standards have 8 standard deviation E.Q. You are correct. It’s a fugazi. A mild-meld. A psy-op. The people lining up to be tested are the lowest IQ people and or hypos wasting medical resources. Anyone changing their life one iota over this is retarded. RE-OPEN THE GYMS NOW OR ELSE FACE MY CONTINUED EXPOSURE AND WRATH. I WANT BARBELLS TO DEADLIFT & SQUAT. Jerks. Steve is right about every other thing but on Corona, he’s pandering and clickbaiting. I’m sorry but again, I’m the smartest and I have decided to “chime in”. Thanks kids.

    ps i also have bank and fund experience and media friends and this kind of thing is done to juice vol for 2 sigma, goldman, fidelity, and their despicable diversity equity inclusion batfaced obese lesbo ilk.

  93. @Anon
    The thing that drives me crazy about Japan is the total lack of building of new hospital beds, whether tents, requisitioned arenas, or the Olympic housing or anything. There's less urgency than there should be about things that require a ramp-up time.

    The Yomiuri reported that government-owned hospitals are adding beds, and that the government is trying to convince private hospitals to do so also. Huh?!

    I think we can blame this on MacArthur. The U.S. in its racist anti-Jap frenzy wrote the laws to remove the ability of the central government to compel anything. Even if Abe invokes emergency powers, and that's dragging on forever, he can really only urge prefectures governors to take real action.

    I wonder what the Chinese are doing in Nanking and the Philippines doing in Bataan.

  94. @Mr. Anon
    Isn't it possible that New York is overcounting COVID-19 deaths (i.e. chalking up deaths by other causes to COVID-19) because 1.) They're prima donnas, 2.) They want to better position themselves to argue for a large share of emergency aid, and perhaps even 3.) They want to maximize the body count they will eventually lay at Donald Trump's feet come November. Again, what we really need to know is how many people are dying now compared to 1.) how many people were dying in January / February of this year, and 2.) how many people were dying in March/April of 2019, 2018, etc. What is the absolute mortality, and has it changed?

    I also wonder how much of the chaos in impacted hospitals, both in New York City and in Italy, is due to the panic itself.

    The government (both federal and state) stokes this great big panic. Lots of people with cold/flu/alergy/corona symptoms stream into the hospitals. Before they would have just stayed home. But now they're afraid of dying, so they go to the ER. They have to be seen. They have to be tested or triaged.

    Then there is short-staffing. Nurses often go to work sick. A of lot places, being a nurse is a crappy job with low pay and few sick days. And if you call in sick too much you get the chop. That's what happens in hospitals under normal circumstances. A lot of patients get treated by a nurse who is sicker than they are. But now, if you test positive with corona, you have to quarantine yourself at home for 14 days. So the hospitals are short on nurses just as a bunch of patients start streaming in. Care suffers. How many ventilators can a single nurse tend?

    Plus there might be an effect that when you get a critical mass of patients that cleanliness and infection control go to Hell. The janitor spends half his day wiping down door handles, so how often is he cleaning the toilets? That guy in the waiting room who used the restroom just before you - turns out he has the corona and dropped a load in the john. Then when you flush it, it aerosolizes and you breathe it in. Or you breathe in the usual stew of assorted other viruses and anti-biotic resistant bacteria.

    In recent days there have been photos of reefer trucks outside hospitals used as temporary morgues. I read one story where they interviewed a mortician. It turns out that they have to test all the corpses for corona before releasing them to the mortuary. How long does it take to get test results? A few days - probably longer when there's a big rush on testing. So - yeah - I can see where the hospital might need some temporary storage. And the City and State are happy to provide some scary looking morgue trucks to goose up the fear and panic level. The Daily Mail story said that they were forking in pallets of bodies into the trucks. But they weren't. They were lifting up individual gurneys. Again - how many people are dying now compared to how many were dying last January or last year? Why aren't any journalists asking this? Why are these numbers not made public?

    I don't know that all of this is happening, or even if any of it is happening. But they seem like questions that would be worth asking. And answering.

    A of lot places, being a nurse is a crappy job with low pay and few sick days. And if you call in sick too much you get the chop.

    Registered nurses whose compensation is at the 10th percentile of their kind are paid about $25 an hour or $4,300 a month plus benefits. LPN’s at the 10th percentile are paid about $16 an hour plus benefits. There are 4x as many RNs as there are LPNs. CNA’s at the 10th percentile earn about $10.50 an hour plus benefits. There are about 2x as many RNs as CNAs. I believe CNA’s are more likely to be found in nursing homes than hospitals.

    NB, the 10th percentile for wages and salaries among registered nurses is equivalent to the 25th percentile among the ordinary run of high school teachers. (To be sure, retirement benefits for high school teachers are more generous). It’s somewhere between the 10th and 25th percentile for town planners; just shy of the 25th percentile for insurance underwriters; above the 25th percentile for loan officers; somewhere between the 10th and 25th percentile for occupational health and safety specialists; between the 10th and 25th percentile for technical writers; between the 10th and 25th percentile for epidemiologists; and between the 10th and 25th percentile for accountants.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Art Deco said: Wah, wah, wah.

    Like I said, in a lot of places, being a nurse is a crappy job. I have relatives who are nurses, and I've seen it.

    Ask a nurse. If, that is, you even know any actual human beings, you prating, supercilious jerk.
    , @obwandiyag
    Oh bullshit. Go be a nurse, bonehead. Bathe and provide medicine to 60 patients a day. Go for it. You're arrogant.
  95. Queens’ problem is high residential density — much of Brooklyn (aside from downtown and some housing projects) is surprisingly low-rise, although the big subway hub at Atlantic Ave near Barclay Center may create problems. Bronx is somewhere in the middle on density, I’d guess from my own work there. Of course the rush-hour subways were crammed coming and going from all these outer boroughs

  96. @Jack D
    Not quite. Manhattan voted for Hillary even more than Queens but Queens has more Wuhan Virus.

    This disease came in thru the jet set but the jet set gave it to their cab drivers and cleaning ladies and these guys gave it to their many roommates and large multigenerational families.

    75.5% of Queens voted for Hilary. No matter how you slice it, that’s Clinton country. There aren’t too many counties in the US that voted for Hilary at a higher rate.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    75% sounds high but it's not in relation to Manhattan's 86% or the Bronx's 88% or Washington DC's 91%.

    https://cdns.abclocal.go.com/content/wabc/images/cms/110916-wabc-chart-borough-breakdown-overall-img.jpg
  97. Build the Wall!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Build the Wall ... out of Corona-victims!

    Let's see - 2,000,000 per some nutters people, so the math is easy. 1000 per mile. Rats, that's only 1 high. OK, China, send us the best you got, bitchez!
  98. @nebulafox
    They had a nice gallows humor that is exceedingly lacking in The Current Year. Perhaps that's what we need.

    I’d just like to say this blog SUCKS!

    Eh, up yours, Unz Review.

  99. @Alden
    1.000 to 10K next week. Must be some new kind of higher math used for the Chinese virus.

    I wonder how many actually, really died of the Chinese virus and not pneumonia heart problems etc at age 80-90?

    Interesting the obesity rates involved with alleged Chinese virus deaths.

    It is the same in NYC.

    They are now classifying all deaths of heart attacks and pneumonia as Corona virus related. It is considered too dangerous to handle the bodies to verify whether or not they have the virus so these deaths are just being lumped in with actual Corona virus deaths.

    Also it is rumored that NYC is not allowing actual burials anymore, everyone has to be cremated. Maybe they are treating it like cholera now which can contaminate the soil if the bodies are not burned.

    So whether through fact or fiction, NYC is becoming the epicenter of the whole thing. We have a field hospital in Central Park and a floating hospital ship in the harbor and rumored fines of up to $500. if you are outside without a valid reason. Anyway I guess we just have to stay indoors now and “ride out the wave”.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    Also it is rumored that NYC is not allowing actual burials anymore, everyone has to be cremated.
     
    I highly doubt this. Jewish law forbids cremation and the Orthodox (and many non-Orthodox - people are very conservative when it comes to burial customs) would go nuts if they were burning their rebbes and relatives. This sounds exactly like the kind of unsourced, unfounded rumor that is found around any disaster type situation.
  100. @keypusher
    The government (both federal and state) stokes this great big panic. Lots of people with cold/flu/alergy/corona symptoms stream into the hospitals. Before they would have just stayed home. But now they’re afraid of dying, so they go to the ER. They have to be seen. They have to be tested or triaged.

    What's happening is huge numbers of people are being admitted to ICUs, in New York and elsewhere, not because they have allergy attacks or are prima donnas, but because they are very sick. From a discussion of ICU admissions in France (noting that ICU admissions for covid for the last three weeks are at least three times higher than flu admissions for the entire flu season over the past 10 years):

    Of course, as I noted in my previous blog post, the numbers are probably not entirely comparable. It’s plausible that people with flu-like symptoms are more likely to go to the hospital than during a traditional flu epidemics, but it’s not clear they’re more likely to be admitted to ICU conditional on the severity of their symptoms (I even suspect the opposite is true, since doctors fear ICUs will soon be overwhelmed, which is already the case in some cases), so I doubt this has a substantial effect. Moreover, the French government has been very clear that unless you have serious difficulties breathing, you should just stay at home and wait for the illness to pass. People who don’t have acute symptoms are not even tested.
     
    https://necpluribusimpar.net/intellectual-honesty-in-the-time-of-covid-19/

    Similarly, here in NYC, people are instructed not to go to the hospital unless and until they are short of breath. I have a couple of friends who had the full panoply of symptoms (loss of taste and smell; severe headaches; intestinal distress; persistent high fever and dry cough). But neither ever got desperately ill and both recovered (though one is still pretty weak). Neither went to the hospital and neither was tested. I’m sure that not everyone here is following instructions, but I’m equally sure that the hospitals are not putting people in intensive care unless they’re quite sick.

    I recall some assigned reading from James Kurth that included a discussion of government structures in north amd south Europe. My recollection is that it was undecided whether to group France in with Spain and Italy or in with Germany and the low countries. I guess now we know…

  101. @nebulafox
    The Ramones would have made a good song about this.

    My girlfriend’s sick and I don’t care…
    (power chords)
    My roommate Chad just shaved his hair…
    (power chords)

    [Bridge]
    Oh there’s a virus outside in the hall…
    But I don’t care, cuz I’m not on call…
    The cops are knocking but I don’t dare…
    …Because my girlfriend’s sick and I. don’t. care…

    (oh she’s)
    Sick, sick, ain’t that a scare…
    Drone out the window up in the air…
    Cupboard’s bare aint that a scare…

    Well, my girlfriend’s sick and I …. don’t..care…
    (power chords to confusing solo)

  102. Now that the bulk of the damage is done – figure every two weeks of shutdown equals one year of cratered economy (whether you wish to call it recession or depression is up to you)…..now you can expect to hear from dissident scientists/researchers like Stanford’s Dr. Jay Bhattacharya:

    Now, add six million unemployed to last week’s three-plus and it becomes obvious there will be no economic “roaring back to health”. The question….given the still-relevant media response to the Obama govt’s do-nothing policies towards swine flu….is why all this insane overreaction? And why now?

    Well, after trying everything in their power to destroy Trump for three years, only to watch their bullets harmlessly bouncing off Trump’s strong and robust economy – could it be that this is the Deep State’s fail safe plan? He’s protected by the strong economy….so let’s take that economy away from him – now let’s see how ‘invulnerable’ he is!

    Would such a thing be possible? Could even a entrenched political/media class (they’re pretty much one and the same now, let’s face it) be so callously evil as to mire tens of millions of people in abject economic misery just to ensure no outsiders allowed into our Swamp? (And if it were true, why would they even allow dissident voices in the sciences to be heard at all?)

    When you consider that such long-range economic catastrophe almost certainly guarantees extended/permanent expansion of government power…..and we’re now well into the in for a penny/in for a pound stage…..dissenting voices mean nothing once there’s no turning back. And if they only create more confusion and chaos, so much the better! More ‘justification’ for newly-empowered government to step in and ‘restore order’.

    What could another four or six weeks of shutdown augur for the Free World? Well, besides another three or four years of economic ruin, you can finally paint over that ‘free’; even if it was mostly cosmetic for all intents and purposes, it’s just a sick Orwellian joke now.

  103. Elmhurst Hospital was dubbed the center of the pandemic in the US by the Guardian. A famous video was made of the place by an emergency doctor there. The congresswoman from the area was on one of the MSNBC shows yesterday (via Skype or some such). She is ethnic Chinese. The Elmhurst area is one of three “new Chinatowns’ in Queens.

    • Replies: @justdafacts
    A new chinatown doesnt mean it is even close to being majority chinese, so any data in there relating to chinese are marred by other ethnicities. If you want to check on vast majority east asian zip codes, check out 11355/11354 or 11220, which has one of the lowest rates of infection.
  104. @ScarletNumber
    BMI is not measured in percent.

    Another piece of evidence why Unz shouldn't allow anonymous commenting on his site.

    Are you referring to Anonymous’s statement?

    “Avg BMI is 30-33%!”

    I took it to mean that 33% of critical corona patients had an avg BMI of 30.

    Maybe Anonymous will clarify it for us.

  105. @International Jew
    I don't get it, are those BMI numbers supposed to impress me? 29 is the average BMI in the US:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_body_mass_index
    And those are WHO numbers published in 2014. Our national average BMI is surely higher now by a few points.

    Indeed, as we all know, we are an increasingly fat country, ranking #16 on your list of 190. This contributes to the American mortality rate of Corona-chan, and it is one reason why comparisons to slimmer nations could end up being somewhat misleading. Remember too that obesity contributes to diabetes, which 40% to 70% of those patients have. There are so many confounding variables in this whole event that I laugh to myself whenever anyone, including myself, appears too certain.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Buzz, we rank sixteenth? Come on America. We gave the world McDonalds, Burger King, Buffalo Wings,Popeye's Fried Chicken. We can do better. NUMBER ONE, top step of the podium... USA USA USA.
  106. @Art Deco
    A of lot places, being a nurse is a crappy job with low pay and few sick days. And if you call in sick too much you get the chop.

    Registered nurses whose compensation is at the 10th percentile of their kind are paid about $25 an hour or $4,300 a month plus benefits. LPN's at the 10th percentile are paid about $16 an hour plus benefits. There are 4x as many RNs as there are LPNs. CNA's at the 10th percentile earn about $10.50 an hour plus benefits. There are about 2x as many RNs as CNAs. I believe CNA's are more likely to be found in nursing homes than hospitals.

    NB, the 10th percentile for wages and salaries among registered nurses is equivalent to the 25th percentile among the ordinary run of high school teachers. (To be sure, retirement benefits for high school teachers are more generous). It's somewhere between the 10th and 25th percentile for town planners; just shy of the 25th percentile for insurance underwriters; above the 25th percentile for loan officers; somewhere between the 10th and 25th percentile for occupational health and safety specialists; between the 10th and 25th percentile for technical writers; between the 10th and 25th percentile for epidemiologists; and between the 10th and 25th percentile for accountants.

    Art Deco said: Wah, wah, wah.

    Like I said, in a lot of places, being a nurse is a crappy job. I have relatives who are nurses, and I’ve seen it.

    Ask a nurse. If, that is, you even know any actual human beings, you prating, supercilious jerk.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    1. You made categorical statements about their compensation which are demonstrably false to an ordinary person. They're true to you because you fancy ordinary life is 'crappy'.

    2. She's on the verge of retirement. She's had the same complaint as the physicians in her family: too little time to treat patients, too much time doing paperwork, daily routines designed to please bean counters (or the IT goombas who designed the impossible electronic medical records).

    3. Yes, I've been employed in hospital settings. No, the nurses did not complain in my hearing that they had crappy jobs. A great many of the clientele were exasperating, as you'd expect in an emergency department.

    4. Like seeks like, so it doesn't surprise me the nurses you know have a bad attitude and the sort of work history which leaves them with the dregs of available jobs.
  107. @anon
    The main cluster in Queens: proximity to La Guardia. Airport employees (9,000 people) catch it early and live nearby, kickstarting community spread in a major way. The first Covid-19 death in Indiana was a lady whose job was driving airport rental cars. At this stage, the timing-- how long exponential community spread has been ongoing-- ought to easily trump any demographic differences in susceptibility.

    For Borough Park-- religious services/practices of devout Orthodox Jews? The Coronavirus church clusters in South Korea were pretty spectacular.

    The main cluster in Queens: proximity to La Guardia. Airport employees (9,000 people) catch it early and live nearby, kickstarting community spread in a major way.

    Wouldn’t proximity to JFK or Newark be more likely? They are bigger international hubs.

  108. Where is the stat for Ellis Island. Aren’t you supposed to seek refuge there?

  109. @keypusher
    The government (both federal and state) stokes this great big panic. Lots of people with cold/flu/alergy/corona symptoms stream into the hospitals. Before they would have just stayed home. But now they’re afraid of dying, so they go to the ER. They have to be seen. They have to be tested or triaged.

    What's happening is huge numbers of people are being admitted to ICUs, in New York and elsewhere, not because they have allergy attacks or are prima donnas, but because they are very sick. From a discussion of ICU admissions in France (noting that ICU admissions for covid for the last three weeks are at least three times higher than flu admissions for the entire flu season over the past 10 years):

    Of course, as I noted in my previous blog post, the numbers are probably not entirely comparable. It’s plausible that people with flu-like symptoms are more likely to go to the hospital than during a traditional flu epidemics, but it’s not clear they’re more likely to be admitted to ICU conditional on the severity of their symptoms (I even suspect the opposite is true, since doctors fear ICUs will soon be overwhelmed, which is already the case in some cases), so I doubt this has a substantial effect. Moreover, the French government has been very clear that unless you have serious difficulties breathing, you should just stay at home and wait for the illness to pass. People who don’t have acute symptoms are not even tested.
     
    https://necpluribusimpar.net/intellectual-honesty-in-the-time-of-covid-19/

    Similarly, here in NYC, people are instructed not to go to the hospital unless and until they are short of breath. I have a couple of friends who had the full panoply of symptoms (loss of taste and smell; severe headaches; intestinal distress; persistent high fever and dry cough). But neither ever got desperately ill and both recovered (though one is still pretty weak). Neither went to the hospital and neither was tested. I’m sure that not everyone here is following instructions, but I’m equally sure that the hospitals are not putting people in intensive care unless they’re quite sick.

    Similarly, here in NYC, people are instructed not to go to the hospital unless and until they are short of breath. I have a couple of friends who had the full panoply of symptoms (loss of taste and smell; severe headaches; intestinal distress; persistent high fever and dry cough). Neither went to the hospital and neither was tested.

    A lot of people are short of breath all the time. My guess is that there are lot of people in New York who are not your friends, so the pool of unhealthy maybe panicked people who never-the-less don’t have COVID-19 is possibly quite large.

    I’m sure that not everyone here is following instructions, but I’m equally sure that the hospitals are not putting people in intensive care unless they’re quite sick.

    I’m sure they’re not, but that doesn’t rule out the possibility that a lot of these people are actually contracting the virus (or some other pathogen) in the hospital. A common trajectory (at least according to the mostly useless media reports) is this: person goes to the hospital, is seen, sent home, comes back a few days or a week later, much worse, and is put into the ICU. It’s possible that people are going into hospitals when they only have colds, because they’ve been scared s**tless by the media, and then end up acquiring a much more serious illness in the hospital.

    • Replies: @keypusher
    A lot of people are short of breath all the time. My guess is that there are lot of people in New York who are not your friends, so the pool of unhealthy maybe panicked people who never-the-less don’t have COVID-19 is possibly quite large.

    Until they're short of breath and have the other symptoms. You apparently think lots of asymtomatic people are showing up in NY hospitals and getting put in intensive care. My guess is that you are living in fantasy land. Except it isn't a guess.
  110. @Mr. Anon
    Isn't it possible that New York is overcounting COVID-19 deaths (i.e. chalking up deaths by other causes to COVID-19) because 1.) They're prima donnas, 2.) They want to better position themselves to argue for a large share of emergency aid, and perhaps even 3.) They want to maximize the body count they will eventually lay at Donald Trump's feet come November. Again, what we really need to know is how many people are dying now compared to 1.) how many people were dying in January / February of this year, and 2.) how many people were dying in March/April of 2019, 2018, etc. What is the absolute mortality, and has it changed?

    I also wonder how much of the chaos in impacted hospitals, both in New York City and in Italy, is due to the panic itself.

    The government (both federal and state) stokes this great big panic. Lots of people with cold/flu/alergy/corona symptoms stream into the hospitals. Before they would have just stayed home. But now they're afraid of dying, so they go to the ER. They have to be seen. They have to be tested or triaged.

    Then there is short-staffing. Nurses often go to work sick. A of lot places, being a nurse is a crappy job with low pay and few sick days. And if you call in sick too much you get the chop. That's what happens in hospitals under normal circumstances. A lot of patients get treated by a nurse who is sicker than they are. But now, if you test positive with corona, you have to quarantine yourself at home for 14 days. So the hospitals are short on nurses just as a bunch of patients start streaming in. Care suffers. How many ventilators can a single nurse tend?

    Plus there might be an effect that when you get a critical mass of patients that cleanliness and infection control go to Hell. The janitor spends half his day wiping down door handles, so how often is he cleaning the toilets? That guy in the waiting room who used the restroom just before you - turns out he has the corona and dropped a load in the john. Then when you flush it, it aerosolizes and you breathe it in. Or you breathe in the usual stew of assorted other viruses and anti-biotic resistant bacteria.

    In recent days there have been photos of reefer trucks outside hospitals used as temporary morgues. I read one story where they interviewed a mortician. It turns out that they have to test all the corpses for corona before releasing them to the mortuary. How long does it take to get test results? A few days - probably longer when there's a big rush on testing. So - yeah - I can see where the hospital might need some temporary storage. And the City and State are happy to provide some scary looking morgue trucks to goose up the fear and panic level. The Daily Mail story said that they were forking in pallets of bodies into the trucks. But they weren't. They were lifting up individual gurneys. Again - how many people are dying now compared to how many were dying last January or last year? Why aren't any journalists asking this? Why are these numbers not made public?

    I don't know that all of this is happening, or even if any of it is happening. But they seem like questions that would be worth asking. And answering.

    An [AGREE] was not good enough for this one, Mr. Anon.

    GREAT COMMENT!

  111. @AnotherDad
    Build the Wall!

    Build the Wall … out of Corona-victims!

    Let’s see – 2,000,000 per some nutters people, so the math is easy. 1000 per mile. Rats, that’s only 1 high. OK, China, send us the best you got, bitchez!

  112. @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Twenty twenty twenty-four more weeks to go, oh
    Don't wanna be secluded
    Nothin' to do, nowhere to go, oh
    I hate bein' secluded

    Call constitutional lawyers
    Get me a referendum
    DeBlasio's prohibitions,
    Ya know I wanna end 'em

    Thanks!

  113. @Currier House
    I’m in Greenwich Village . Everyone here has it from
    Bars and gyms , no one is sick or shows symptoms because we eat well and take care of ourselves (exercise) and don’t allow media to penetrate our minds because we know all about it because we went to gookd schools and work in finance and media. We are healthy . Virus is Bull Shit. Excuse to take away freedoms and Civil Society . DUH. Love you Steve and most of your ideas but you have been wrong as hell on this whether intentionally or to provoke .

    Are you aware that the asymptomatic phase of the infection might be around two weeks and even longer in certain people?

    That in some individuals the asymptomatic phase is immediately followed by the pulmonary infection?

    That even perfectly healthy young people have been among those who ended in the ICU?

    That even asymptomatic carriers (who might easily be more than 50% of the infected population according to the Islandic report) are still infectious, although with a lower R?

    That asymptomatic, healthy people might easily infect the people in the different risk groups?

    That these risk group people, infected by the asymptomatic carriers, contribute to the health system being overwhelmed?

    Now, are you still going to bars and gyms?

    Think before you answer…

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    Maybe he is Swedish. I tend to agree with him; and, with Sweden's decision to just go on about life. I mean, as all of you know - I've said it many times, the month of April is the month of death in the Nordic countries....it's just reality. Weaker people die from flu...and the Corona family is a very big flu family.

    I understand the idea of non-symptomatic people passing Corona to those who have no resistance (for whatever reason), but I also understand his comment: taking care of our health is up to us. However, gyms and bars have closed, so if I was Currier House stuck in NYC, I would be fed-up by now. But, this Corona virus has an agenda that is not about saving people or keeping people safe...which he alludes to, so, I get his point and frustration - my sons would be so angry by now if they were stuck in NYC.

    , @Currier House
    Chill bro. Don't drink that Main Stream Media Kool-Aid. Believe in yourself. Adhere to health as a virtue, man. It's better that way.

    I just want the gyms to open. It's ok if people like you are scared and don't want to work out. All I'm saying is, let me work out. I'm ok with the risks. Hell, you can even come too, even if you want to wear a dorky ass Asian-style face mask, latex gloves like a orthodonist, and a mini-bottle of Purell dangling from your belt-loop with a Carabiner.

    Again bro, I live in Greenwich Village and am a Harvard grad, aight? Ashkenazi Jew. I tell you the facts.

    2-week asymptomatic incubation period during which it's contagious? ROFLMAO. Medicine much, bruh? Take it easy, in general, on the CNN, and on them there drugs.

    If Quarantine is getting you down so much, honestly, if there was some way for us to do it, I'd livestream/facetime/whatsapp with your HypoCon Eeyore ass.

    Fool. Choose healthy thinking kid.

    My motivation is health and success, for myself and others. What's yours?

    Shalom
    , @Telemachos
    I think he's joking. Bars and gyms were among the businesses ordered to close on March 15th.
  114. @Ozymandias
    The more people there are around you that voted for Hillary, the more likely you are to catch Chinese Flu.

    The more people there are around you that voted for Hillary, the more likely you are to catch Chinese Flu.

    California is doing very well per capita. Quite a feat given Cali has the highest state Chinese/Chinese-American population. Highest per capita too. With the Chinese loving to flit-fly-zoom back and forth, ideal for bring the Kung Flu back to California early and often. Some say they this has induced a rough justice herd immunity to Cali-Land.

  115. @Anonymous
    What do you predict is going to happen in the United States in respect of cases, deaths, and impact on the economy, Lot?

    Check my comment history for details.

    Basically: I am in the low camp on deaths, in the high camp on economic impact.

  116. @epebble
    Dr. Deborah Birx repeatedly mentions that New York is following Italy curve almost exactly. If so, In about a week, there may be 10K+ deaths. If that happens, it points to some fundamental invariant in the way the disease spreads and we should expect the pattern to repeat in other urban areas with different time lags. Also, NY is nearly running out of ICU beds and may be forced to make some Italy style difficult decisions on whom to provide scarce resources.

    Dr. Deborah Birx repeatedly mentions that New York is following Italy curve almost exactly. If so, In about a week, there may be 10K+ deaths almost exactly. If so, In about a week, there may be 10K+ deaths

    Actually, new york death count is currently doubling every 2 1/2 days’ish now. So, in a week the NYC deaths should be approaching 25k

  117. A little off-topic, but I haven’t heard yet if acceptances to colleges for high school seniors are going out today. Wonder if Harvard will be changing the number of Chinese accepted for next year’s freshman class–enlarging or shrinking? Maybe they’ll establish a “virtual” university in Wuhan Province;-)

    It will be interesting to see how the Ivy League acceptances play out — as if we will ever know the real truth. Seems like an unimportant topic during a pandemic but I do think it’s a bell-weather to check our relationship with places like China or the Middle East. American parents may bag little Megan’s going to Williams until the family bank account recovers. It may take a while, so luxury items like Ivy League schools may be “short” a few students in the fall. Also, the kids who were kicked out of their dorms a couple of weeks ago may reconsider returning to these same institutions when they re-open. A gap year where they take a job may seem more appealing.

    With no — and I mean NO — college commencements or class reunions scheduled for May/June 2020, fund-raising will be in the dumpster and impossible to recover $$ from the lost opportunity — sort of like an unoccupied hotel room or cruise ship cabin. This will be huge. You only have ONE Fiftieth Reunion in your life;-) This is where the big bucks are for the private universities. Let’s see how creative their administrative geniuses will be in keeping their institutions alive!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Doc, U of California, the whole system, is eliminating SAT and ACTs and some letter grades for admittance to their campuses. That is their response to the closure of HSs.
  118. Hail says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk
    I saw that too and was not surprised.

    Also, Tucker Carlson did a good piece on how bogus the information coming out of China is, and I was not surprised by that information either.

    Some of us have been nicely mentioning our suspicions about both of these aspects for a while now, and it is starting to look like we have been right. Let's be careful, though, because just like an exponential curve, it can be hard to see the big picture and future trend from our little place at the moment.

    Re China, the propaganda aspect of this is obvious. As the Soviets did during the Space Race, the communist government, with an iron fist around the information that gets out, is trying to convince a gullible world that its methods are superior.

    Yes, we are a mess here, and yes, they are organized and hard-working, but the comparison apples to oranges. We have our own problems, like government doctors at news conferences who lie about masks and who seem to want to steer us away from a harmless possible cure and into big pharma and elaborate, expensive solutions. And Democrat governors who want to turn this crisis into an opportunity to grab power.

    Another unfortunate thing is that we have far too many obese people with unhealthy habits who are the most likely to die from this. No wonder our numbers are climbing as they are.

    Tucker Carlson

    I have been disappointed in Tucker Carlson’s role in this. He has seemingly stopped asking critical questions. He has joined in the media frenzy of inflating the CoronaPanic balloon even when all the data emerging is more and more against the initial kneejerk panic reaction. From what I’ve seen, Tucker’s distinguishing feature from this evil beast I call CoronaPanic is that he simply redirects somewhat more blame onto China than the usual hysterical media people wish to.

    Where is Tucker’s skeptical instinct? Tucker has normally been one of the few standing alone for the position of a form of sensible nationalist, for truth, justice, and the American way. A joiner-of-the-mob he has not been. a joiner of the mob who simply tries to slightly redirect the addled townsfolk and the wielded pitchforks in a slightly different direction. To mix metaphors, “China R Real Racists.”

    Tucker has really let us down.

    We know Tucker producers read Steve Sailer, so if any of you are reading this, There’s still time for Tucker to come back on the side of sanity against the CoronaPanic and for rational thinking; against the destructive, misanthropic shutdown mob; against the cynical pro-shutdown keystone-cop governors (almost all the ringleaders of which are from big-blue states, as it happens).

    • Disagree: Thea
    • Replies: @Ragno
    Panic notwithstanding, the economic damage....long and short-term...is very real.

    Tucker is mostly focusing on this - hell, somebody has to - and less with what Fauci said or didn't say this afternoon.

    , @Charon
    Dear Tucker producers: stay strong. Hail is just one person ranting on the internet.
    , @Lagertha
    Oh, Tucker knows. He needs to slo-mo it; that's effective.

    He is perfectly aware what the true agenda is. You can't pull all your weapons out at once.

    In the mean time, his lack of hysteria and doom is effective. We are at war.
  119. @Art Deco
    A of lot places, being a nurse is a crappy job with low pay and few sick days. And if you call in sick too much you get the chop.

    Registered nurses whose compensation is at the 10th percentile of their kind are paid about $25 an hour or $4,300 a month plus benefits. LPN's at the 10th percentile are paid about $16 an hour plus benefits. There are 4x as many RNs as there are LPNs. CNA's at the 10th percentile earn about $10.50 an hour plus benefits. There are about 2x as many RNs as CNAs. I believe CNA's are more likely to be found in nursing homes than hospitals.

    NB, the 10th percentile for wages and salaries among registered nurses is equivalent to the 25th percentile among the ordinary run of high school teachers. (To be sure, retirement benefits for high school teachers are more generous). It's somewhere between the 10th and 25th percentile for town planners; just shy of the 25th percentile for insurance underwriters; above the 25th percentile for loan officers; somewhere between the 10th and 25th percentile for occupational health and safety specialists; between the 10th and 25th percentile for technical writers; between the 10th and 25th percentile for epidemiologists; and between the 10th and 25th percentile for accountants.

    Oh bullshit. Go be a nurse, bonehead. Bathe and provide medicine to 60 patients a day. Go for it. You’re arrogant.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Oh bullshit. Go be a nurse, bonehead. Bathe and provide medicine to 60 patients a day. Go for it. You’re arrogant.

    That you don't wish to do this sort of work is immaterial. Other people do, they go to considerable trouble to obtain a license to do this sort of work, and they aren't badly paid for it. Somehow in the static-infested space between your ears, acknowledging that makes me 'arrogant'.

  120. @nsa
    Only 150 total dead from CV in South Korea. US deaths already top 4000 with the Bullshitter-in-Chief projecting 200,000 by the end of the year. Have read that NYers still commute on their filthy subways, coughing all over each other the whole way. They can't figure out what causes an airborne virus to spread.......cough, cough.

    Looking at the map of NYC, if you are dependent on the subway for transportation, or live in a high rise, or are elderly, your odds of being infected appear to be greatly increased. Diblasio so far has inexplicably refused to remove “the homeless” from to subway. If you are going to keep the subway running, this amounts to criminally negligent homicide.His idiot PC schools chancellor in a just world would now be under indictment for that, but sadly not yet. In regular times, you have the subway train pull in, one car is packed , the next is practically empty, and despite KNOWING that the empty car has a bum in it, you try to get into the empty rather than the crowded car in hopes you get a seat, until the Bum Stink fills your nostrils. In a fit of unending PC stupidity, the sainted homeless cannot be removed and deloused nor confined.

    Unreported long term story is going to be how urban density and public transportation are not good things and in fact are very likely bad things for public health. That is as true if you live in luxury Manhattan Trump building, or in JPod’s PreWar West Side walk up or a housing project in East New York, or a Queens Boulevard 11 story coop monstrosity filled with well off elderly Jews. Living in an apartment building with recirculated air and sealed windows, followed by going into an elevator to get to street level, followed by boarding a crowded subway car are all not healthful. The places in NYC that are not dependent on the subway and have low rise 1-2 family dwellings are not experiencing levels on infection as those that do. In fact, suspect many of those infected are people who are either first responders and medical people or those who find themselves on the subway to get around. Good luck selling high end NYC luxury apartments.

    • Replies: @danand

    "Looking at the map of NYC, if you are dependent on the subway for transportation, or live in a high rise, or are elderly, your odds of being infected appear to be greatly increased."
     
    Bugg, makes one wonder what will happen to real estate prices as a result of all this. More specifically, will suburban homes fair better that "elevatored" residences? Common sense would say yes, but who knows. I don't recall that SARS-1 made high-rise living less attractive in China. 9-11 didn't have that much of an impact here did it? Some have to be thinking this may just be inning one in modern world(wide) Bio-Disasters.

    In any event, seems almost a given property values, not just real estate, are in for a substantial hit, at least in the near term. There used to a few "devaluation insurance" REITs traded on the NYSE. You could buy/trade them to protect against falling property value; but I don't know if any are still live (they were somewhat popular after the 2008/9 debacle).

    In the past I spoke with quite a few Millennials who hoped for a real estate crash; giving them an opportunity to purchase a home. Unfortunately this does not feel like it has the makings to be that opportunity: for their sakes, I wish it did.


    That reminds me, while out a couple days back, I noticed all the local ongoing, seemingly never ending, construction projects were "building" at full activity. There are roughly a dozen of these large-scale projects within 3 miles of my home; all housing/retail. While waiting for a green, I glanced over and saw several workers huddled eating. A community police officer rolled up next to me, and began to converse with the diners.

    I have to image when/if those local projects complete, it's going to like Dubai 2010: a tenant/owner or two with the building to themselves. Or perhaps Governor Newson will have the state take them; for conversion to homeless shelters?

    At my destination, the local Home Depot, the parking lot was still packed with hombres offering their labor. Only indication of the times was the ubiquitous donning of masks in the store itself.
  121. Some of the more affluent Asian areas in northeastern Queens, such as Bayside and Little Neck, are relatively untouched.

    Just from a quick look at the map, it seems to me that the hardest-hit areas are relatively low income Hispanic neighborhoods in central Queens and Orthodox/Hasidic neighborhoods in Brooklyn.

    • Replies: @justdafacts
    I woudn't say the affluent asian areas in NE queens are untouched. Those are relatively low density areas.

    If you want to see untouched, look at the extremely crowded downtown Flushing (zip 11355/11354), you can easily see it is completely different color than the surrounding areas. They have much lower rate than affluent NE queens.

    map of cases per 100k
    , @Known Fact
    Bayside and Little Neck are low-density, nice, almost suburban -- no subway lines is the key. Those central Queens neighborhoods are packed and have plenty of Asians in with the Hispanics.

    Meanwhile I just saw an ad for a baseball cap with a full clear face shield.

  122. @The Alarmist
    What jumps out at me is that Staten Island seems to have left New York City, which has long been the dream of many Italian-Americans who live (no one 'lives'there) reside there.

    Staten Island north of the Staten Island Expressway (I-278) is a lot more urban and a lot less affluent than most other parts of the borough.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    The most urban parts of S.I. are about as urban as Milwaukee.
    , @The Alarmist
    St. George is perhaps the most urban. The rest may as well be Jersey.
  123. @Hail

    Tucker Carlson
     
    I have been disappointed in Tucker Carlson's role in this. He has seemingly stopped asking critical questions. He has joined in the media frenzy of inflating the CoronaPanic balloon even when all the data emerging is more and more against the initial kneejerk panic reaction. From what I've seen, Tucker's distinguishing feature from this evil beast I call CoronaPanic is that he simply redirects somewhat more blame onto China than the usual hysterical media people wish to.

    Where is Tucker's skeptical instinct? Tucker has normally been one of the few standing alone for the position of a form of sensible nationalist, for truth, justice, and the American way. A joiner-of-the-mob he has not been. a joiner of the mob who simply tries to slightly redirect the addled townsfolk and the wielded pitchforks in a slightly different direction. To mix metaphors, "China R Real Racists."

    Tucker has really let us down.

    We know Tucker producers read Steve Sailer, so if any of you are reading this, There's still time for Tucker to come back on the side of sanity against the CoronaPanic and for rational thinking; against the destructive, misanthropic shutdown mob; against the cynical pro-shutdown keystone-cop governors (almost all the ringleaders of which are from big-blue states, as it happens).

    Panic notwithstanding, the economic damage….long and short-term…is very real.

    Tucker is mostly focusing on this – hell, somebody has to – and less with what Fauci said or didn’t say this afternoon.

  124. @Hail

    Tucker Carlson
     
    I have been disappointed in Tucker Carlson's role in this. He has seemingly stopped asking critical questions. He has joined in the media frenzy of inflating the CoronaPanic balloon even when all the data emerging is more and more against the initial kneejerk panic reaction. From what I've seen, Tucker's distinguishing feature from this evil beast I call CoronaPanic is that he simply redirects somewhat more blame onto China than the usual hysterical media people wish to.

    Where is Tucker's skeptical instinct? Tucker has normally been one of the few standing alone for the position of a form of sensible nationalist, for truth, justice, and the American way. A joiner-of-the-mob he has not been. a joiner of the mob who simply tries to slightly redirect the addled townsfolk and the wielded pitchforks in a slightly different direction. To mix metaphors, "China R Real Racists."

    Tucker has really let us down.

    We know Tucker producers read Steve Sailer, so if any of you are reading this, There's still time for Tucker to come back on the side of sanity against the CoronaPanic and for rational thinking; against the destructive, misanthropic shutdown mob; against the cynical pro-shutdown keystone-cop governors (almost all the ringleaders of which are from big-blue states, as it happens).

    Dear Tucker producers: stay strong. Hail is just one person ranting on the internet.

  125. @Mr. Anon
    Isn't it possible that New York is overcounting COVID-19 deaths (i.e. chalking up deaths by other causes to COVID-19) because 1.) They're prima donnas, 2.) They want to better position themselves to argue for a large share of emergency aid, and perhaps even 3.) They want to maximize the body count they will eventually lay at Donald Trump's feet come November. Again, what we really need to know is how many people are dying now compared to 1.) how many people were dying in January / February of this year, and 2.) how many people were dying in March/April of 2019, 2018, etc. What is the absolute mortality, and has it changed?

    I also wonder how much of the chaos in impacted hospitals, both in New York City and in Italy, is due to the panic itself.

    The government (both federal and state) stokes this great big panic. Lots of people with cold/flu/alergy/corona symptoms stream into the hospitals. Before they would have just stayed home. But now they're afraid of dying, so they go to the ER. They have to be seen. They have to be tested or triaged.

    Then there is short-staffing. Nurses often go to work sick. A of lot places, being a nurse is a crappy job with low pay and few sick days. And if you call in sick too much you get the chop. That's what happens in hospitals under normal circumstances. A lot of patients get treated by a nurse who is sicker than they are. But now, if you test positive with corona, you have to quarantine yourself at home for 14 days. So the hospitals are short on nurses just as a bunch of patients start streaming in. Care suffers. How many ventilators can a single nurse tend?

    Plus there might be an effect that when you get a critical mass of patients that cleanliness and infection control go to Hell. The janitor spends half his day wiping down door handles, so how often is he cleaning the toilets? That guy in the waiting room who used the restroom just before you - turns out he has the corona and dropped a load in the john. Then when you flush it, it aerosolizes and you breathe it in. Or you breathe in the usual stew of assorted other viruses and anti-biotic resistant bacteria.

    In recent days there have been photos of reefer trucks outside hospitals used as temporary morgues. I read one story where they interviewed a mortician. It turns out that they have to test all the corpses for corona before releasing them to the mortuary. How long does it take to get test results? A few days - probably longer when there's a big rush on testing. So - yeah - I can see where the hospital might need some temporary storage. And the City and State are happy to provide some scary looking morgue trucks to goose up the fear and panic level. The Daily Mail story said that they were forking in pallets of bodies into the trucks. But they weren't. They were lifting up individual gurneys. Again - how many people are dying now compared to how many were dying last January or last year? Why aren't any journalists asking this? Why are these numbers not made public?

    I don't know that all of this is happening, or even if any of it is happening. But they seem like questions that would be worth asking. And answering.

    Big nonstory in NY is that politicians of all stripes have allowed real estate developers to take over numerous hospitals for luxury housing without replacing those hospital beds. We have lost Long Island College, St. Vincent’s, St. Clare’s Victory, Peninsula General, Caledonian to name but a few. NY might not need field hospitals in Central park or Navy ships had it simply kept those hospitals in place.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    In Chicago, Guard and Reserve military engineers are surveying recently closed hospitals for possible rehab. Seems like the most extreme last resort since these places were closed because they're obsolete and crumbling. McCormack Place, a relatively modern exhibition hall, is being readied for field hospital use; this seems more promising.
    , @Art Deco
    That may be, but the number of hospital beds per person in New York State is about 12% above the national mean.

    https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/beds-by-ownership/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Total%22,%22sort%22:%22desc%22%7D
  126. @Anon

    The Ramones would have made a good song about this.
     
    The Ramones are all dead. Presumably, had they been alive during a pandemic, they would have been the first to go.

    There's a sort of weird Curse of King Tut surrounding the Ramones, with all sorts of associates, hangers on, and the like dying youngish.

    Marky Ramone is still alive.

  127. Stats for New York City: Any Patterns Leap Out at You?

    Giuliani and Bloomberg took care of the city’s “leaping-out” problem, but it seems to be returning under DeBlasé.

  128. “Any Patterns Leap Out at You?”

    thousands of Democrats are dying.

  129. @Steve Sailer
    Xi Jinping visited Wuhan 22 days ago. I figured that said something about how much things had improved there.

    China still has not supplied data about the Wuhan epidemic that Western epidemiologists are desperate for and need to save lives. If we are reduced to looking at where Xi was standing for hints as if we were Cold War Sovietologists, it indicates that China (the same country that was trusted enough by the UK to be given an enormous 5G contract) is very much remiss in discharging its responsibilities to the rest of the world. Are the Chinese leadership hiding something, seeing this panic in the West as some kind of an opportunity, or simply in the grip of suspicion and resentment?

    Whatever the explanation, this is a watershed for the system in which bankers and hedge funds bet the farm on Chinese growth continuing and get upset with Trump for not assisting the Chinese in pulling the world economy into a putative promised land. Everyone’s pensions are dependant on shareholder value and that is predicated on offshoring to and repatriation of profits from the same country that covered up and then put the blame on America for an outbreak whose origins are still being obscured by Xi . There has to be a better way!

    Escape from Rome: The Failure of Empire and the Road to Prosperity

    In an absorbing narrative that begins with ancient Rome but stretches far beyond it, from Byzantium to China and from Genghis Khan to Napoleon, Scheidel shows how the demise of Rome and the enduring failure of empire-building on European soil ensured competitive fragmentation between and within states. This rich diversity encouraged political, economic, scientific, and technological breakthroughs that allowed Europe to surge ahead while other parts of the world lagged behind, burdened as they were by traditional empires and predatory regimes that lived by conquest. It wasn’t until Europe “escaped” from Rome that it launched an economic transformation that changed the continent and ultimately the world.

    Sure they supply cheap goods, but Xi’s Imperial Han Emporium are recalescent, as evidenced by their ‘disgusting’ wet food markets again selling an animal that folklore and and countless horror films have portrayed as a plague vector.

    John Stuart Mill on China
    The modern régime of public opinion is, in an unorganized form, what the Chinese educational and political systems are in an organized; and unless individuality shall be able successfully to assert itself against this yoke, Europe, notwithstanding its noble antecedents and its professed Christianity, will tend to become another China.

    Escape from empire indeed.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Sure they supply cheap goods, but Xi’s Imperial Han Emporium are recalescent, as evidenced by their ‘disgusting’ wet food markets again selling an animal that folklore and and countless horror films have portrayed as a plague vector.
     
    Bat is not a traditional Chinese dish. It is in Palau, a former US colony and current US protectorate, and in Indonesia, a US ally. The US and UK press are currently circulating photos from Indonesia to and claiming that they're from China:

    https://twitter.com/shaunrein/status/1245616520794746880

    https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1243351601823154177
    , @Anonymous

    China is very much remiss in discharging its responsibilities to the rest of the world.
     
    China's primary responsibility is to run China.

    China engages in international relations for the primary benefit of China.

    The "rest of the world" is responsible for itself, including obtaining reliable information to guide each country's actions.

    Cooperation among governments - much touted by the MSM - mostly amounts to a conspiracy of the respective ruling elites against the ruled.

  130. @Dr. Dre
    A little off-topic, but I haven't heard yet if acceptances to colleges for high school seniors are going out today. Wonder if Harvard will be changing the number of Chinese accepted for next year's freshman class--enlarging or shrinking? Maybe they'll establish a "virtual" university in Wuhan Province;-)

    It will be interesting to see how the Ivy League acceptances play out -- as if we will ever know the real truth. Seems like an unimportant topic during a pandemic but I do think it's a bell-weather to check our relationship with places like China or the Middle East. American parents may bag little Megan's going to Williams until the family bank account recovers. It may take a while, so luxury items like Ivy League schools may be "short" a few students in the fall. Also, the kids who were kicked out of their dorms a couple of weeks ago may reconsider returning to these same institutions when they re-open. A gap year where they take a job may seem more appealing.

    With no -- and I mean NO -- college commencements or class reunions scheduled for May/June 2020, fund-raising will be in the dumpster and impossible to recover $$ from the lost opportunity -- sort of like an unoccupied hotel room or cruise ship cabin. This will be huge. You only have ONE Fiftieth Reunion in your life;-) This is where the big bucks are for the private universities. Let's see how creative their administrative geniuses will be in keeping their institutions alive!

    Doc, U of California, the whole system, is eliminating SAT and ACTs and some letter grades for admittance to their campuses. That is their response to the closure of HSs.

    • Replies: @danand

    "U of California, the whole system, is eliminating SAT and ACTs and some letter grades for admittance to their campuses."
     
    Buffalo Joe, you're right, no more standardized testing. Taken aback a little when that rolled across the news ticker yesterday evening.

    Who could have predicted SARS-CoV-2 would provide so much potential "opportunity" for the oppressed?

    From Forbes:

    "The University of California (UC) took a historic step today to suspend SAT and ACT standardized tests as part of the Fall 2020 admissions process. The announcement comes in response to the Coronavirus public health emergency, which has also caused some SAT and ACT testing to be cancelled, including in the Golden State. This policy decision will mostly impact current high school juniors who, in addition to having testing and school cancelled, plan to begin college in Fall 2021. With nine campuses including UCLA and UC Berkeley, the University of California is not permanently ending SAT and ACT testing requirements, however. UC officials are continuing to debate whether SAT and ACT testing should be required for admission for future years. The UC Regents also said they will suspend the letter grade requirement for A-G courses completed in Winter , Spring and Summer 2020."
     
  131. @Alden
    All of Queens has about 2 million 300K population according to the census. But it has more deaths and more cases than Los Angeles County Ca with 8 million population according to the census.

    I smell a rat. The same rats who claimed in the mid 1980s that every heterosexual in the world would die of AIDS because AIDS was not caused by sodomizing , rimming and fisting 200 strangers a year. The same rats who wrote books about The Coming Ice Age in the late 1970s and the same rats who’ve been screeching about global warming climate change since the late 1990s.

    The same rats who made it illegal to hire White American men.

    Sorry, if you don’t know the details of NYC, then you are just generalizing and making racist assumptions. NYC’s chinese FOBs are heavily populated in Flushing and Sunset Park. You can see those zip codes, 11355/11354 and 11220, are like islands of tranquility in a sea of infection, when viewed as cases per 100k people:

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1C2fJFnWQ1A39k3t9n3lDrB-ZP9HeV0S3&ll=40.7345101217781%2C-73.86700278613296&z=11

    And if you look up income per household for those 3 zip codes, they are much lower than the surrounding areas that have extremely high population normalized cases.

  132. @Mr. Anon
    Art Deco said: Wah, wah, wah.

    Like I said, in a lot of places, being a nurse is a crappy job. I have relatives who are nurses, and I've seen it.

    Ask a nurse. If, that is, you even know any actual human beings, you prating, supercilious jerk.

    1. You made categorical statements about their compensation which are demonstrably false to an ordinary person. They’re true to you because you fancy ordinary life is ‘crappy’.

    2. She’s on the verge of retirement. She’s had the same complaint as the physicians in her family: too little time to treat patients, too much time doing paperwork, daily routines designed to please bean counters (or the IT goombas who designed the impossible electronic medical records).

    3. Yes, I’ve been employed in hospital settings. No, the nurses did not complain in my hearing that they had crappy jobs. A great many of the clientele were exasperating, as you’d expect in an emergency department.

    4. Like seeks like, so it doesn’t surprise me the nurses you know have a bad attitude and the sort of work history which leaves them with the dregs of available jobs.

    • Replies: @Rich
    Registered Nurses in NY make pretty good money, but I've never met one who didn't complain about her job constantly. I've got some close relatives, friends of the wife and wives of acquaintances that are nurses and they all, every last one, say don't let your babies grow up to be nurses. It's a tough, thankless job and it only gets tougher the older you get. And that's in NY, where we probably have the best paid in the country.
    , @Mr. Anon

    She’s on the verge of retirement.
     
    Who the devil are you talking about? She. She who? The nurses I know are young, some of them at the very beginning of their career.

    Yes, I’ve been employed in hospital settings. No, the nurses did not complain in my hearing that they had crappy jobs.
     
    Like they'd confide in you. You're a tiresome, pedantic, fake-know-it-all.

    Idiot.
  133. @obwandiyag
    Oh bullshit. Go be a nurse, bonehead. Bathe and provide medicine to 60 patients a day. Go for it. You're arrogant.

    Oh bullshit. Go be a nurse, bonehead. Bathe and provide medicine to 60 patients a day. Go for it. You’re arrogant.

    That you don’t wish to do this sort of work is immaterial. Other people do, they go to considerable trouble to obtain a license to do this sort of work, and they aren’t badly paid for it. Somehow in the static-infested space between your ears, acknowledging that makes me ‘arrogant’.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    So you're exactly, and I mean exactly, like that closeted queen Lindsay Graham. Congratulations.
  134. @Bill Jones
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wnSovuEZiXA/Xn-NkjpvqFI/AAAAAAAAb8c/setAZZwuGUQkZgHropaNKSbKbPP0OC8YgCK8BGAsYHg/s0/2020-03-28.png

    That’s awesome.

    Chick-fil-A really ought to run with that. Howl’s of outrage … but great advertising.

  135. @M_Young
    Elmhurst Hospital was dubbed the center of the pandemic in the US by the Guardian. A famous video was made of the place by an emergency doctor there. The congresswoman from the area was on one of the MSNBC shows yesterday (via Skype or some such). She is ethnic Chinese. The Elmhurst area is one of three "new Chinatowns' in Queens.

    A new chinatown doesnt mean it is even close to being majority chinese, so any data in there relating to chinese are marred by other ethnicities. If you want to check on vast majority east asian zip codes, check out 11355/11354 or 11220, which has one of the lowest rates of infection.

  136. @prosa123
    Some of the more affluent Asian areas in northeastern Queens, such as Bayside and Little Neck, are relatively untouched.

    Just from a quick look at the map, it seems to me that the hardest-hit areas are relatively low income Hispanic neighborhoods in central Queens and Orthodox/Hasidic neighborhoods in Brooklyn.

    I woudn’t say the affluent asian areas in NE queens are untouched. Those are relatively low density areas.

    If you want to see untouched, look at the extremely crowded downtown Flushing (zip 11355/11354), you can easily see it is completely different color than the surrounding areas. They have much lower rate than affluent NE queens.

    map of cases per 100k

  137. @Rich
    75.5% of Queens voted for Hilary. No matter how you slice it, that's Clinton country. There aren't too many counties in the US that voted for Hilary at a higher rate.

    75% sounds high but it’s not in relation to Manhattan’s 86% or the Bronx’s 88% or Washington DC’s 91%.

  138. @nymom
    It is the same in NYC.

    They are now classifying all deaths of heart attacks and pneumonia as Corona virus related. It is considered too dangerous to handle the bodies to verify whether or not they have the virus so these deaths are just being lumped in with actual Corona virus deaths.

    Also it is rumored that NYC is not allowing actual burials anymore, everyone has to be cremated. Maybe they are treating it like cholera now which can contaminate the soil if the bodies are not burned.

    So whether through fact or fiction, NYC is becoming the epicenter of the whole thing. We have a field hospital in Central Park and a floating hospital ship in the harbor and rumored fines of up to $500. if you are outside without a valid reason. Anyway I guess we just have to stay indoors now and "ride out the wave".

    Also it is rumored that NYC is not allowing actual burials anymore, everyone has to be cremated.

    I highly doubt this. Jewish law forbids cremation and the Orthodox (and many non-Orthodox – people are very conservative when it comes to burial customs) would go nuts if they were burning their rebbes and relatives. This sounds exactly like the kind of unsourced, unfounded rumor that is found around any disaster type situation.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Viruses degrade within about three days on inorganic surfaces. This advisory indicates they do so as well in the human body, with some exceptions.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/science/story/coronavirus-do-dead-bodies-pose-risk-epidemics-what-who-says-1655592-2020-03-14


    Just delaying the funeral three days would protect the undertakers.
  139. @Hapalong Cassidy
    One thing that has always stood out to me about the Chinese death numbers is the ridiculously high number of Chinese men who smoke. I think there is no doubt that smokers are at more risk from the effects of other Coronavirus, and I’m surprised the media hasn’t emphasized this more, what with them being on a decades-long anti-smoking crusade. A former pack a day smoker myself, I still light up occasionally, usually when I’m under stress. And while this has been a stressful time, there’s no way I’m putting myself at more risk.

    When it comes to smoking (actually when it comes to a lot of things safety and pollution related), China is like America circa 1960. It’s just sort of assumed that adult men smoke (and drink) – that’s what normal adult men do. Some smoke (and drink) a lot and some smoke (and drink) less. People will offer you a cigarette and even if you don’t smoke back home in America, you take one just to be polite. One cigarette never killed anyone. They don’t have this American style “one drop rule” absolutist notion when it comes to being “a smoker”.

    When I was a little kid it used to be normal to have a container of cigarettes on the table (together with engraved souvenir matches) at a wedding or other catered affair just to show your hospitality. No one thought anything of it.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    Yup, I recall my parents throwing cocktail parties, or going to christmas parties at family friends, and there'd be a tray on the coffee table with cigarettes, one with matches or lighter. Kinda Mad Men era.
  140. @prosa123
    Some of the more affluent Asian areas in northeastern Queens, such as Bayside and Little Neck, are relatively untouched.

    Just from a quick look at the map, it seems to me that the hardest-hit areas are relatively low income Hispanic neighborhoods in central Queens and Orthodox/Hasidic neighborhoods in Brooklyn.

    Bayside and Little Neck are low-density, nice, almost suburban — no subway lines is the key. Those central Queens neighborhoods are packed and have plenty of Asians in with the Hispanics.

    Meanwhile I just saw an ad for a baseball cap with a full clear face shield.

  141. @Buffalo Joe
    Doc, U of California, the whole system, is eliminating SAT and ACTs and some letter grades for admittance to their campuses. That is their response to the closure of HSs.

    “U of California, the whole system, is eliminating SAT and ACTs and some letter grades for admittance to their campuses.”

    Buffalo Joe, you’re right, no more standardized testing. Taken aback a little when that rolled across the news ticker yesterday evening.

    Who could have predicted SARS-CoV-2 would provide so much potential “opportunity” for the oppressed?

    From Forbes:

    “The University of California (UC) took a historic step today to suspend SAT and ACT standardized tests as part of the Fall 2020 admissions process. The announcement comes in response to the Coronavirus public health emergency, which has also caused some SAT and ACT testing to be cancelled, including in the Golden State. This policy decision will mostly impact current high school juniors who, in addition to having testing and school cancelled, plan to begin college in Fall 2021. With nine campuses including UCLA and UC Berkeley, the University of California is not permanently ending SAT and ACT testing requirements, however. UC officials are continuing to debate whether SAT and ACT testing should be required for admission for future years. The UC Regents also said they will suspend the letter grade requirement for A-G courses completed in Winter , Spring and Summer 2020.”

  142. @PiltdownMan

    There’s less urgency than there should be about things that require a ramp-up time....I think we can blame this on MacArthur.
     
    Or maybe we can blame it on Curtis LeMay and Fat Man and Little Boy. After being on the receiving end of those, a mere epidemic must seem like a mere philosophical trifle.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_LeMay#World_War_II

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Man_and_Little_Boy


    https://i.imgur.com/JzTBlPU.jpg

    Pilt, I watched, over the past three nights, the TV series ‘Pacific War in Color.’ Curtis LeMay’s quote:”If we hadn’t won the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.” Fire bombed 67 cities, estimated death toll 500,000 civilians. My dad was in the Pacific with the Navy. His ship was at Okinawa, 12,500 US dead, 100,000 Japanese troops dead and 100,000 plus Okinawans dead. Next step was invading mainland Japan. So, from my personal perspective, thank you General.

  143. @prosa123
    Staten Island north of the Staten Island Expressway (I-278) is a lot more urban and a lot less affluent than most other parts of the borough.

    The most urban parts of S.I. are about as urban as Milwaukee.

  144. @Buzz Mohawk
    Indeed, as we all know, we are an increasingly fat country, ranking #16 on your list of 190. This contributes to the American mortality rate of Corona-chan, and it is one reason why comparisons to slimmer nations could end up being somewhat misleading. Remember too that obesity contributes to diabetes, which 40% to 70% of those patients have. There are so many confounding variables in this whole event that I laugh to myself whenever anyone, including myself, appears too certain.

    Buzz, we rank sixteenth? Come on America. We gave the world McDonalds, Burger King, Buffalo Wings,Popeye’s Fried Chicken. We can do better. NUMBER ONE, top step of the podium… USA USA USA.

  145. @Jack D

    Also it is rumored that NYC is not allowing actual burials anymore, everyone has to be cremated.
     
    I highly doubt this. Jewish law forbids cremation and the Orthodox (and many non-Orthodox - people are very conservative when it comes to burial customs) would go nuts if they were burning their rebbes and relatives. This sounds exactly like the kind of unsourced, unfounded rumor that is found around any disaster type situation.

    Viruses degrade within about three days on inorganic surfaces. This advisory indicates they do so as well in the human body, with some exceptions.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/science/story/coronavirus-do-dead-bodies-pose-risk-epidemics-what-who-says-1655592-2020-03-14

    Just delaying the funeral three days would protect the undertakers.

  146. @Bugg
    Big nonstory in NY is that politicians of all stripes have allowed real estate developers to take over numerous hospitals for luxury housing without replacing those hospital beds. We have lost Long Island College, St. Vincent's, St. Clare's Victory, Peninsula General, Caledonian to name but a few. NY might not need field hospitals in Central park or Navy ships had it simply kept those hospitals in place.

    In Chicago, Guard and Reserve military engineers are surveying recently closed hospitals for possible rehab. Seems like the most extreme last resort since these places were closed because they’re obsolete and crumbling. McCormack Place, a relatively modern exhibition hall, is being readied for field hospital use; this seems more promising.

  147. @Bugg
    Big nonstory in NY is that politicians of all stripes have allowed real estate developers to take over numerous hospitals for luxury housing without replacing those hospital beds. We have lost Long Island College, St. Vincent's, St. Clare's Victory, Peninsula General, Caledonian to name but a few. NY might not need field hospitals in Central park or Navy ships had it simply kept those hospitals in place.

    That may be, but the number of hospital beds per person in New York State is about 12% above the national mean.

    https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/beds-by-ownership/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Total%22,%22sort%22:%22desc%22%7D

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    That may be, but the number of hospital beds per person in New York State is about 12% above the national mean.
     
    What's that got to do with New York City where the problem is concentrated?
  148. @Bugg
    Looking at the map of NYC, if you are dependent on the subway for transportation, or live in a high rise, or are elderly, your odds of being infected appear to be greatly increased. Diblasio so far has inexplicably refused to remove "the homeless" from to subway. If you are going to keep the subway running, this amounts to criminally negligent homicide.His idiot PC schools chancellor in a just world would now be under indictment for that, but sadly not yet. In regular times, you have the subway train pull in, one car is packed , the next is practically empty, and despite KNOWING that the empty car has a bum in it, you try to get into the empty rather than the crowded car in hopes you get a seat, until the Bum Stink fills your nostrils. In a fit of unending PC stupidity, the sainted homeless cannot be removed and deloused nor confined.

    Unreported long term story is going to be how urban density and public transportation are not good things and in fact are very likely bad things for public health. That is as true if you live in luxury Manhattan Trump building, or in JPod's PreWar West Side walk up or a housing project in East New York, or a Queens Boulevard 11 story coop monstrosity filled with well off elderly Jews. Living in an apartment building with recirculated air and sealed windows, followed by going into an elevator to get to street level, followed by boarding a crowded subway car are all not healthful. The places in NYC that are not dependent on the subway and have low rise 1-2 family dwellings are not experiencing levels on infection as those that do. In fact, suspect many of those infected are people who are either first responders and medical people or those who find themselves on the subway to get around. Good luck selling high end NYC luxury apartments.

    “Looking at the map of NYC, if you are dependent on the subway for transportation, or live in a high rise, or are elderly, your odds of being infected appear to be greatly increased.”

    Bugg, makes one wonder what will happen to real estate prices as a result of all this. More specifically, will suburban homes fair better that “elevatored” residences? Common sense would say yes, but who knows. I don’t recall that SARS-1 made high-rise living less attractive in China. 9-11 didn’t have that much of an impact here did it? Some have to be thinking this may just be inning one in modern world(wide) Bio-Disasters.

    In any event, seems almost a given property values, not just real estate, are in for a substantial hit, at least in the near term. There used to a few “devaluation insurance” REITs traded on the NYSE. You could buy/trade them to protect against falling property value; but I don’t know if any are still live (they were somewhat popular after the 2008/9 debacle).

    In the past I spoke with quite a few Millennials who hoped for a real estate crash; giving them an opportunity to purchase a home. Unfortunately this does not feel like it has the makings to be that opportunity: for their sakes, I wish it did.

    That reminds me, while out a couple days back, I noticed all the local ongoing, seemingly never ending, construction projects were “building” at full activity. There are roughly a dozen of these large-scale projects within 3 miles of my home; all housing/retail. While waiting for a green, I glanced over and saw several workers huddled eating. A community police officer rolled up next to me, and began to converse with the diners.

    I have to image when/if those local projects complete, it’s going to like Dubai 2010: a tenant/owner or two with the building to themselves. Or perhaps Governor Newson will have the state take them; for conversion to homeless shelters?

    At my destination, the local Home Depot, the parking lot was still packed with hombres offering their labor. Only indication of the times was the ubiquitous donning of masks in the store itself.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    Simply at a loss why anyone would chose to live in a dense urban place. Further we are seeing emphatically that technology is at the point you do not need a midtown office to run your business at great expense.

    As it happens, have a relative employed by a developer . Will only say the developer is well known(not Trump), these buildings are in an outer borough, and they are brand new, and very beautiful. Location is near a subway line for easy access to Manhattan. Wonderful gyms, nice community rooms, outdoor heated pool with a wonderful view, every amenity imaginable. They began showing to potential occupants around Thanksgiving. And as of right now, they almost completely vacant. And said developer is considering converting them to 50 plus/assisted living units rather than a luxury market. This has certainly not helped things.

  149. @Mr. Anon

    Similarly, here in NYC, people are instructed not to go to the hospital unless and until they are short of breath. I have a couple of friends who had the full panoply of symptoms (loss of taste and smell; severe headaches; intestinal distress; persistent high fever and dry cough). Neither went to the hospital and neither was tested.
     
    A lot of people are short of breath all the time. My guess is that there are lot of people in New York who are not your friends, so the pool of unhealthy maybe panicked people who never-the-less don't have COVID-19 is possibly quite large.

    I’m sure that not everyone here is following instructions, but I’m equally sure that the hospitals are not putting people in intensive care unless they’re quite sick.
     
    I'm sure they're not, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that a lot of these people are actually contracting the virus (or some other pathogen) in the hospital. A common trajectory (at least according to the mostly useless media reports) is this: person goes to the hospital, is seen, sent home, comes back a few days or a week later, much worse, and is put into the ICU. It's possible that people are going into hospitals when they only have colds, because they've been scared s**tless by the media, and then end up acquiring a much more serious illness in the hospital.

    A lot of people are short of breath all the time. My guess is that there are lot of people in New York who are not your friends, so the pool of unhealthy maybe panicked people who never-the-less don’t have COVID-19 is possibly quite large.

    Until they’re short of breath and have the other symptoms. You apparently think lots of asymtomatic people are showing up in NY hospitals and getting put in intensive care. My guess is that you are living in fantasy land. Except it isn’t a guess.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Until they’re short of breath and have the other symptoms. You apparently think lots of asymtomatic people are showing up in NY hospitals and getting put in intensive care.
     
    No, I most definitely did not say that. You didn't read what I wrote, or you didn't understand it.
  150. @Ano4
    Are you aware that the asymptomatic phase of the infection might be around two weeks and even longer in certain people?

    That in some individuals the asymptomatic phase is immediately followed by the pulmonary infection?

    That even perfectly healthy young people have been among those who ended in the ICU?

    That even asymptomatic carriers (who might easily be more than 50% of the infected population according to the Islandic report) are still infectious, although with a lower R?

    That asymptomatic, healthy people might easily infect the people in the different risk groups?

    That these risk group people, infected by the asymptomatic carriers, contribute to the health system being overwhelmed?

    Now, are you still going to bars and gyms?

    Think before you answer...

    Maybe he is Swedish. I tend to agree with him; and, with Sweden’s decision to just go on about life. I mean, as all of you know – I’ve said it many times, the month of April is the month of death in the Nordic countries….it’s just reality. Weaker people die from flu…and the Corona family is a very big flu family.

    I understand the idea of non-symptomatic people passing Corona to those who have no resistance (for whatever reason), but I also understand his comment: taking care of our health is up to us. However, gyms and bars have closed, so if I was Currier House stuck in NYC, I would be fed-up by now. But, this Corona virus has an agenda that is not about saving people or keeping people safe…which he alludes to, so, I get his point and frustration – my sons would be so angry by now if they were stuck in NYC.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Currier House
    Thanks man. As a long-time reader of the comments on this site but brand spanking new commenter, it is an honor to be replied to by such an esteemed personage of intellectualism and policy-recommendations as yourself. And I truly mean it. I'm not Swedish, I'm from the Democratic People's Republic of Florida.

    And yeah, listen, the way virology works is as follows. The body fights off viruses by producing white blood cells - T Killer Cells and Lymphocytes -- in the bone marrow. Gym exercise - deadies, squatting -- stimulates the bone marrow to produce more of these White Blood Cells to fight off and contain the virus like Riot Cops cordoning off and beating hordes of rioting criminals. If there are more Cops, the cops win. If there are more rioting criminals, lawlessness reigns and society (the body) sickens and/or dies. SO, ERGO - IF the government wanted our bodies to fight the virus off, they'd keep the gyms open and mandate we go.

    Instead, they closed the gyms. Ergo, they know nothing of virology, OR, more likely, they, the government, want us to DIE , which is the more probably explanation. I know this because my grandfather's entire family was killed by the government. So i know that death and genocidal megalomania is in its inherent nature.

    QED ISteve Fam. Bless you all. You're welcome.
  151. @Currier House
    I’m in Greenwich Village . Everyone here has it from
    Bars and gyms , no one is sick or shows symptoms because we eat well and take care of ourselves (exercise) and don’t allow media to penetrate our minds because we know all about it because we went to gookd schools and work in finance and media. We are healthy . Virus is Bull Shit. Excuse to take away freedoms and Civil Society . DUH. Love you Steve and most of your ideas but you have been wrong as hell on this whether intentionally or to provoke .

    See my response to Ano4 around the 150’s. I hearya, loud and clear. I agree with you. Steve, however, has personal reasons for being as well-informed as possible about what he needs to be aware of as far as the “how does this infection spread?” or, point of contraction. Plus, he lives in a state that is surrounded by hostiles, rich and poor – he has no escape cabin for his family to just drive into the mountains.

    • Replies: @Currier House
    Thanks good sir.

    Steve is right about so many things and has been such a lifeline and house of refuge for us clear thinkers that I truly love him and bless his soul.

    But, on the virus, he's been hyping it. I think he just doesn't really get virology, honestly. To be fair, most people fear the unknown. I grew up in a medical household and community though, so the more I mature and get context, the more I realize how much more I grok this shit than most other people. You seem to get it though. As do Alden, Je Suis Omar Mateen, and some others.
  152. @Reg Cæsar
    I take that back. Astoria is "Northwest Queens", Zips 11101-6. They're in the middle range, 3 to 5 per thousand.

    Yup. I was gonna point you to the 111 zip codes, but you found it.

    They could’ve reported Queens by neighborhood address. Unlike the other boroughs which the USPS uses the borough name (New York, Brooklyn, etc.) for the address, Queens uses neighborhoods, like Long Island City that everyone knows from the AOC debacle over Amazon jobs.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Unlike the other boroughs which the USPS uses the borough name (New York, Brooklyn, etc.) for the address, Queens uses neighborhoods, like Long Island City that everyone knows from the AOC debacle over Amazon jobs.
     
    That's because Brooklyn is a city, and Queens is a county. When the City, which was Manhattan and pieces of the Bronx, swallowed the neighboring counties in 1898, Brooklyn was about 9/10 of Kings County, both by population and area. It was already natural to call all of Kings "Brooklyn".

    Queens, which included what's now Nassau County, was still rural in the east, and held on to her town(ship) and village identities.

    When my mother passed on a few years ago, I made sure the obituary upstate reported her birthplace as Queens Village, not merely as "Queens". Big difference.

    Doesn't Staten Island operate the same way? Are things mailed to "Tottenville"?
  153. @Ano4
    Are you aware that the asymptomatic phase of the infection might be around two weeks and even longer in certain people?

    That in some individuals the asymptomatic phase is immediately followed by the pulmonary infection?

    That even perfectly healthy young people have been among those who ended in the ICU?

    That even asymptomatic carriers (who might easily be more than 50% of the infected population according to the Islandic report) are still infectious, although with a lower R?

    That asymptomatic, healthy people might easily infect the people in the different risk groups?

    That these risk group people, infected by the asymptomatic carriers, contribute to the health system being overwhelmed?

    Now, are you still going to bars and gyms?

    Think before you answer...

    Chill bro. Don’t drink that Main Stream Media Kool-Aid. Believe in yourself. Adhere to health as a virtue, man. It’s better that way.

    I just want the gyms to open. It’s ok if people like you are scared and don’t want to work out. All I’m saying is, let me work out. I’m ok with the risks. Hell, you can even come too, even if you want to wear a dorky ass Asian-style face mask, latex gloves like a orthodonist, and a mini-bottle of Purell dangling from your belt-loop with a Carabiner.

    Again bro, I live in Greenwich Village and am a Harvard grad, aight? Ashkenazi Jew. I tell you the facts.

    2-week asymptomatic incubation period during which it’s contagious? ROFLMAO. Medicine much, bruh? Take it easy, in general, on the CNN, and on them there drugs.

    If Quarantine is getting you down so much, honestly, if there was some way for us to do it, I’d livestream/facetime/whatsapp with your HypoCon Eeyore ass.

    Fool. Choose healthy thinking kid.

    My motivation is health and success, for myself and others. What’s yours?

    Shalom

    • Replies: @black sea
    The skinny from Rabbi Feelgood.
  154. @Sideshow Bob
    I was listening to Laura Ingraham tonight interview a cardiologist with 80 CV patients.

    30% pre-diabetic
    40% diabetic
    30.3 average BMI
    70 y.o. average age

    Younger victims were all very high BMI.
    Hydrochloroquin works. Doctors who deal with a lot of CV are taking it prophylatically.

    Sounds to me like the population who is in danger of a serious cases is easy to identify.
    The young and healthy are not at substantial risk.

    One of my friend who has Lupus is having a terrible time getting her usual Paquienine (?), otherwise known as Hydroxycholoroquine. She says doctors are hoarding it and keeping it for themselves and their families – just awful. SO, some doctors are assholes.

  155. @danand

    "Looking at the map of NYC, if you are dependent on the subway for transportation, or live in a high rise, or are elderly, your odds of being infected appear to be greatly increased."
     
    Bugg, makes one wonder what will happen to real estate prices as a result of all this. More specifically, will suburban homes fair better that "elevatored" residences? Common sense would say yes, but who knows. I don't recall that SARS-1 made high-rise living less attractive in China. 9-11 didn't have that much of an impact here did it? Some have to be thinking this may just be inning one in modern world(wide) Bio-Disasters.

    In any event, seems almost a given property values, not just real estate, are in for a substantial hit, at least in the near term. There used to a few "devaluation insurance" REITs traded on the NYSE. You could buy/trade them to protect against falling property value; but I don't know if any are still live (they were somewhat popular after the 2008/9 debacle).

    In the past I spoke with quite a few Millennials who hoped for a real estate crash; giving them an opportunity to purchase a home. Unfortunately this does not feel like it has the makings to be that opportunity: for their sakes, I wish it did.


    That reminds me, while out a couple days back, I noticed all the local ongoing, seemingly never ending, construction projects were "building" at full activity. There are roughly a dozen of these large-scale projects within 3 miles of my home; all housing/retail. While waiting for a green, I glanced over and saw several workers huddled eating. A community police officer rolled up next to me, and began to converse with the diners.

    I have to image when/if those local projects complete, it's going to like Dubai 2010: a tenant/owner or two with the building to themselves. Or perhaps Governor Newson will have the state take them; for conversion to homeless shelters?

    At my destination, the local Home Depot, the parking lot was still packed with hombres offering their labor. Only indication of the times was the ubiquitous donning of masks in the store itself.

    Simply at a loss why anyone would chose to live in a dense urban place. Further we are seeing emphatically that technology is at the point you do not need a midtown office to run your business at great expense.

    As it happens, have a relative employed by a developer . Will only say the developer is well known(not Trump), these buildings are in an outer borough, and they are brand new, and very beautiful. Location is near a subway line for easy access to Manhattan. Wonderful gyms, nice community rooms, outdoor heated pool with a wonderful view, every amenity imaginable. They began showing to potential occupants around Thanksgiving. And as of right now, they almost completely vacant. And said developer is considering converting them to 50 plus/assisted living units rather than a luxury market. This has certainly not helped things.

  156. @Mr McKenna
    Can pretty much guarantee you that one upshot from this will be even more billions shoveled into these third-world 'hoods which--incredibly enough--are full of third-worlders who--incredibly enough--act like third-worlders even when they're in the USA. Which--incredibly enough--is becoming more and more like the places they came from.

    Anyway, World-Famous Dr Mark Levine knows what's up.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/02/01/26532680-8178159-image-a-45_1585787393538.jpg
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/02/01/26532664-8178159-image-a-47_1585787396630.jpg

    Unlike this racist alt-right type for instance:

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/04/02/02/26532670-8178159-image-a-7_1585789661414.jpg

    News flash: People with low socio-economic status have always suffered worse health outcomes than middle class peoples because they have poor behavioral habits and traits. They smoke, They drink excessively. They take illicit drugs. They have poor diets. They engage in risky behaviors. They have poor impulse control. They’re overweight. Et cetera, etc. (On average.)

    Yup. That’s some inequality!

    But all this inequality is a result of personal behavior and responsibility, i.e. agency. Equality can’t be deemed as a right, or legislated. It’s a result of individual conduct.

    So Mark D. Levine’s picture should accompany the dictionary definition of “pinhead.”

  157. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    China still has not supplied data about the Wuhan epidemic that Western epidemiologists are desperate for and need to save lives. If we are reduced to looking at where Xi was standing for hints as if we were Cold War Sovietologists, it indicates that China (the same country that was trusted enough by the UK to be given an enormous 5G contract) is very much remiss in discharging its responsibilities to the rest of the world. Are the Chinese leadership hiding something, seeing this panic in the West as some kind of an opportunity, or simply in the grip of suspicion and resentment?

    Whatever the explanation, this is a watershed for the system in which bankers and hedge funds bet the farm on Chinese growth continuing and get upset with Trump for not assisting the Chinese in pulling the world economy into a putative promised land. Everyone’s pensions are dependant on shareholder value and that is predicated on offshoring to and repatriation of profits from the same country that covered up and then put the blame on America for an outbreak whose origins are still being obscured by Xi . There has to be a better way!


    Escape from Rome: The Failure of Empire and the Road to Prosperity

    In an absorbing narrative that begins with ancient Rome but stretches far beyond it, from Byzantium to China and from Genghis Khan to Napoleon, Scheidel shows how the demise of Rome and the enduring failure of empire-building on European soil ensured competitive fragmentation between and within states. This rich diversity encouraged political, economic, scientific, and technological breakthroughs that allowed Europe to surge ahead while other parts of the world lagged behind, burdened as they were by traditional empires and predatory regimes that lived by conquest. It wasn’t until Europe “escaped” from Rome that it launched an economic transformation that changed the continent and ultimately the world.
     

    Sure they supply cheap goods, but Xi's Imperial Han Emporium are recalescent, as evidenced by their 'disgusting' wet food markets again selling an animal that folklore and and countless horror films have portrayed as a plague vector.

    John Stuart Mill on China
    The modern régime of public opinion is, in an unorganized form, what the Chinese educational and political systems are in an organized; and unless individuality shall be able successfully to assert itself against this yoke, Europe, notwithstanding its noble antecedents and its professed Christianity, will tend to become another China.
     
    Escape from empire indeed.

    Sure they supply cheap goods, but Xi’s Imperial Han Emporium are recalescent, as evidenced by their ‘disgusting’ wet food markets again selling an animal that folklore and and countless horror films have portrayed as a plague vector.

    Bat is not a traditional Chinese dish. It is in Palau, a former US colony and current US protectorate, and in Indonesia, a US ally. The US and UK press are currently circulating photos from Indonesia to and claiming that they’re from China:

    • Thanks: vhrm
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    So all the self-shot phone videos of Chinese people eating scorpions, worms, centipedes, live mice, etc, plus all the anecdotes about how "South Chinese will eat anything," that was all just a Brian Williams flub? Okay. This is like insisting that Romanian is not a Romance language. Chinese people objectively have an extremely flexible concept of hygeine, they have a uniquely and deliberately inclusive cuisine, and the task you gave voluntarily set yourself is not to "debunk" one photograph from one Pacific island, it is to remove the letter "L" from the alphabet. Looks like Lem laughed last.
    , @Sean
    There are wet markets in China and there are detention centres in China. Both are a bio-threat. Thanks to something that we will never get to the bottom of, in China a bat virus recombined with another animal virus, which made a chimera that spread like wildfire. The other animal was a pangolin and we all know what that is about.
    , @Anonymous

    Bat is not a traditional Chinese dish.
     
    Bats have long been eaten in Southern China as a special dish (usually soup) to bring luck.

    Bats are called 蝙蝠 bian-fu in Chinese. The second syllable is homophonous with 福 fu meaning "good fortune." Note that the right-hand portions of the two fu characters are identical.

  158. @Charon
    Curious: what were the circumstances of the brain hemorrhage? That sounds pretty serious. And how was it decided that the platelet condition justified a hospital stay? What was the treatment for that? Were these two events related? Seems like scary stuff for someone of middle age. Congrats on prevailing.

    The platelets got down to 17k. Huge bruise on my back around the kidney like hit by a 2 by 4. But no idea why. Still below normal but 120s now. They don’t freak out until below50 and more like 30.

    Hemorrhage right after Thanksgiving almost a year later. You’d think related but idiopathic, both. Post coital (thanks, honey). But no other symptoms, no slurred speech or face numbness. Fine now. Very weird. Must be something but they haven’t found anything. Not an aneurysm. Subarachnoid bleed.

    BTW the Upper East Side stats per 1000 likely way off. Half of us are on Long Island, Catskills, Lake George, etc. it’s getting bad out here now.

    • Thanks: Charon
  159. @Anonymous

    Sure they supply cheap goods, but Xi’s Imperial Han Emporium are recalescent, as evidenced by their ‘disgusting’ wet food markets again selling an animal that folklore and and countless horror films have portrayed as a plague vector.
     
    Bat is not a traditional Chinese dish. It is in Palau, a former US colony and current US protectorate, and in Indonesia, a US ally. The US and UK press are currently circulating photos from Indonesia to and claiming that they're from China:

    https://twitter.com/shaunrein/status/1245616520794746880

    https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1243351601823154177

    So all the self-shot phone videos of Chinese people eating scorpions, worms, centipedes, live mice, etc, plus all the anecdotes about how “South Chinese will eat anything,” that was all just a Brian Williams flub? Okay. This is like insisting that Romanian is not a Romance language. Chinese people objectively have an extremely flexible concept of hygeine, they have a uniquely and deliberately inclusive cuisine, and the task you gave voluntarily set yourself is not to “debunk” one photograph from one Pacific island, it is to remove the letter “L” from the alphabet. Looks like Lem laughed last.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    I don't have any opinion on whether the Chinese ate reading bats today or not, but that whole line of arginine seems excessively provincial to me.

    Thing is we eat snakes, alligators,frogs and crickets, and snails (well, the French anyway), not to mention shrimp and lobster.

    There's this NPR "gameshow" called Says You about language topics. A segment on the show that asked last weekend was to guess what animal was being described by the recipe for it in the Larousse Gastronomique.

    I don't remember most of them but rat, bear and some sort of badger were in there.

    So western people eat, or have eaten most things that move too.
  160. @Forbes
    Yup. I was gonna point you to the 111 zip codes, but you found it.

    They could've reported Queens by neighborhood address. Unlike the other boroughs which the USPS uses the borough name (New York, Brooklyn, etc.) for the address, Queens uses neighborhoods, like Long Island City that everyone knows from the AOC debacle over Amazon jobs.

    Unlike the other boroughs which the USPS uses the borough name (New York, Brooklyn, etc.) for the address, Queens uses neighborhoods, like Long Island City that everyone knows from the AOC debacle over Amazon jobs.

    That’s because Brooklyn is a city, and Queens is a county. When the City, which was Manhattan and pieces of the Bronx, swallowed the neighboring counties in 1898, Brooklyn was about 9/10 of Kings County, both by population and area. It was already natural to call all of Kings “Brooklyn”.

    Queens, which included what’s now Nassau County, was still rural in the east, and held on to her town(ship) and village identities.

    When my mother passed on a few years ago, I made sure the obituary upstate reported her birthplace as Queens Village, not merely as “Queens”. Big difference.

    Doesn’t Staten Island operate the same way? Are things mailed to “Tottenville”?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    That's funny you mention Tottenville--I once had a girlfriend from Tottenville. As best I can tell, they all use Staten Island as USPS address.

    The USPS is one of the funniest (funny-strange) organizations about--they don't regularly conform to any geographic areas or names.

    I grew up in a town (upstate) adjacent to a city--our mailing address was the city, not the town. Our high school was in the town, but the mailing address was a village in the next town over. Your mailing address wasn't where you lived, but what post office the USPS assigned your delivery. The examples are endless.
  161. @Art Deco
    That may be, but the number of hospital beds per person in New York State is about 12% above the national mean.

    https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/beds-by-ownership/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Total%22,%22sort%22:%22desc%22%7D

    That may be, but the number of hospital beds per person in New York State is about 12% above the national mean.

    What’s that got to do with New York City where the problem is concentrated?

  162. @keypusher
    A lot of people are short of breath all the time. My guess is that there are lot of people in New York who are not your friends, so the pool of unhealthy maybe panicked people who never-the-less don’t have COVID-19 is possibly quite large.

    Until they're short of breath and have the other symptoms. You apparently think lots of asymtomatic people are showing up in NY hospitals and getting put in intensive care. My guess is that you are living in fantasy land. Except it isn't a guess.

    Until they’re short of breath and have the other symptoms. You apparently think lots of asymtomatic people are showing up in NY hospitals and getting put in intensive care.

    No, I most definitely did not say that. You didn’t read what I wrote, or you didn’t understand it.

  163. @Art Deco
    1. You made categorical statements about their compensation which are demonstrably false to an ordinary person. They're true to you because you fancy ordinary life is 'crappy'.

    2. She's on the verge of retirement. She's had the same complaint as the physicians in her family: too little time to treat patients, too much time doing paperwork, daily routines designed to please bean counters (or the IT goombas who designed the impossible electronic medical records).

    3. Yes, I've been employed in hospital settings. No, the nurses did not complain in my hearing that they had crappy jobs. A great many of the clientele were exasperating, as you'd expect in an emergency department.

    4. Like seeks like, so it doesn't surprise me the nurses you know have a bad attitude and the sort of work history which leaves them with the dregs of available jobs.

    Registered Nurses in NY make pretty good money, but I’ve never met one who didn’t complain about her job constantly. I’ve got some close relatives, friends of the wife and wives of acquaintances that are nurses and they all, every last one, say don’t let your babies grow up to be nurses. It’s a tough, thankless job and it only gets tougher the older you get. And that’s in NY, where we probably have the best paid in the country.

  164. @Lagertha
    Maybe he is Swedish. I tend to agree with him; and, with Sweden's decision to just go on about life. I mean, as all of you know - I've said it many times, the month of April is the month of death in the Nordic countries....it's just reality. Weaker people die from flu...and the Corona family is a very big flu family.

    I understand the idea of non-symptomatic people passing Corona to those who have no resistance (for whatever reason), but I also understand his comment: taking care of our health is up to us. However, gyms and bars have closed, so if I was Currier House stuck in NYC, I would be fed-up by now. But, this Corona virus has an agenda that is not about saving people or keeping people safe...which he alludes to, so, I get his point and frustration - my sons would be so angry by now if they were stuck in NYC.

    Thanks man. As a long-time reader of the comments on this site but brand spanking new commenter, it is an honor to be replied to by such an esteemed personage of intellectualism and policy-recommendations as yourself. And I truly mean it. I’m not Swedish, I’m from the Democratic People’s Republic of Florida.

    And yeah, listen, the way virology works is as follows. The body fights off viruses by producing white blood cells – T Killer Cells and Lymphocytes — in the bone marrow. Gym exercise – deadies, squatting — stimulates the bone marrow to produce more of these White Blood Cells to fight off and contain the virus like Riot Cops cordoning off and beating hordes of rioting criminals. If there are more Cops, the cops win. If there are more rioting criminals, lawlessness reigns and society (the body) sickens and/or dies. SO, ERGO – IF the government wanted our bodies to fight the virus off, they’d keep the gyms open and mandate we go.

    Instead, they closed the gyms. Ergo, they know nothing of virology, OR, more likely, they, the government, want us to DIE , which is the more probably explanation. I know this because my grandfather’s entire family was killed by the government. So i know that death and genocidal megalomania is in its inherent nature.

    QED ISteve Fam. Bless you all. You’re welcome.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    You can’t lift weights at home? What’s healthier, better equipment at the gym but with someone with the virus next to you, or lifting at home, no one else around? That’s assuming what you say about lifting stimulating your natural defenses is true.
  165. @Art Deco
    1. You made categorical statements about their compensation which are demonstrably false to an ordinary person. They're true to you because you fancy ordinary life is 'crappy'.

    2. She's on the verge of retirement. She's had the same complaint as the physicians in her family: too little time to treat patients, too much time doing paperwork, daily routines designed to please bean counters (or the IT goombas who designed the impossible electronic medical records).

    3. Yes, I've been employed in hospital settings. No, the nurses did not complain in my hearing that they had crappy jobs. A great many of the clientele were exasperating, as you'd expect in an emergency department.

    4. Like seeks like, so it doesn't surprise me the nurses you know have a bad attitude and the sort of work history which leaves them with the dregs of available jobs.

    She’s on the verge of retirement.

    Who the devil are you talking about? She. She who? The nurses I know are young, some of them at the very beginning of their career.

    Yes, I’ve been employed in hospital settings. No, the nurses did not complain in my hearing that they had crappy jobs.

    Like they’d confide in you. You’re a tiresome, pedantic, fake-know-it-all.

    Idiot.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Like they’d confide in you. You’re a tiresome, pedantic, fake-know-it-all.

    They chuffered about anything and everything as they filled out paperwork or had downtime between patients. This was true in the emergency department and on the wards. I saw it both as an employee and as a family member of patients.
    , @Johann Ricke

    Like they’d confide in you. You’re a tiresome, pedantic, fake-know-it-all.

    Idiot.
     
    I know you're set in your ways and don't really want to process new information that might contradict your deeply-held beliefs. But the fact is there are things we all know that aren't actually true.
  166. @Lagertha
    See my response to Ano4 around the 150's. I hearya, loud and clear. I agree with you. Steve, however, has personal reasons for being as well-informed as possible about what he needs to be aware of as far as the "how does this infection spread?" or, point of contraction. Plus, he lives in a state that is surrounded by hostiles, rich and poor - he has no escape cabin for his family to just drive into the mountains.

    Thanks good sir.

    Steve is right about so many things and has been such a lifeline and house of refuge for us clear thinkers that I truly love him and bless his soul.

    But, on the virus, he’s been hyping it. I think he just doesn’t really get virology, honestly. To be fair, most people fear the unknown. I grew up in a medical household and community though, so the more I mature and get context, the more I realize how much more I grok this shit than most other people. You seem to get it though. As do Alden, Je Suis Omar Mateen, and some others.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Thanks good sir.
     
    https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.627132551.0915/flat,750x1000,075,f.u4.jpg
  167. @J.Ross
    The WHO? Is that the group which was violently wrong about everything each step of the way and which is headed by a medically illiterate African terrorist? The group which would be outperformed by the dead members of the rock band of the same name?

    See, there’s your problem. As Toronto found out with SARS, you don’t involve the WHO, you involve the Rolling Stones.

  168. @Anonymous

    Sure they supply cheap goods, but Xi’s Imperial Han Emporium are recalescent, as evidenced by their ‘disgusting’ wet food markets again selling an animal that folklore and and countless horror films have portrayed as a plague vector.
     
    Bat is not a traditional Chinese dish. It is in Palau, a former US colony and current US protectorate, and in Indonesia, a US ally. The US and UK press are currently circulating photos from Indonesia to and claiming that they're from China:

    https://twitter.com/shaunrein/status/1245616520794746880

    https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1243351601823154177

    There are wet markets in China and there are detention centres in China. Both are a bio-threat. Thanks to something that we will never get to the bottom of, in China a bat virus recombined with another animal virus, which made a chimera that spread like wildfire. The other animal was a pangolin and we all know what that is about.

  169. Anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    The one thing that stands out for me is that the Chinese have lifted quarantine in many places around China, including Wuhan. Their government is full of liars and face-savers, but they're not dumb. Okay, so why did they decide to go ahead and lift quarantine?

    The only thing that makes sense is that they have crunched their secret case fatality rate numbers, and calculated the actual death rate from those they now think were infected, and said, "Oh, crud. It's just a bad flu season. No point in wrecking the economy over this. Everyone back to work."

    The only thing that makes sense is that they have crunched their secret case fatality rate numbers, and calculated the actual death rate from those they now think were infected, and said, “Oh, crud. It’s just a bad flu season. No point in wrecking the economy over this. Everyone back to work.”

    And would that be true?

  170. @Currier House
    Chill bro. Don't drink that Main Stream Media Kool-Aid. Believe in yourself. Adhere to health as a virtue, man. It's better that way.

    I just want the gyms to open. It's ok if people like you are scared and don't want to work out. All I'm saying is, let me work out. I'm ok with the risks. Hell, you can even come too, even if you want to wear a dorky ass Asian-style face mask, latex gloves like a orthodonist, and a mini-bottle of Purell dangling from your belt-loop with a Carabiner.

    Again bro, I live in Greenwich Village and am a Harvard grad, aight? Ashkenazi Jew. I tell you the facts.

    2-week asymptomatic incubation period during which it's contagious? ROFLMAO. Medicine much, bruh? Take it easy, in general, on the CNN, and on them there drugs.

    If Quarantine is getting you down so much, honestly, if there was some way for us to do it, I'd livestream/facetime/whatsapp with your HypoCon Eeyore ass.

    Fool. Choose healthy thinking kid.

    My motivation is health and success, for myself and others. What's yours?

    Shalom

    The skinny from Rabbi Feelgood.

    • LOL: Currier House
  171. @Reg Cæsar

    The Ramones are all dead.
     
    Who are the deadest bands of the rock era, other than these guys? The Bee Gees (2/3) come to mind, as well as the Dave Clark Five (3/5) and Badfinger (3/4). (Let's not count plane crashes.)

    The Seekers are at the other extreme. Their original lineup performed together for 50 or so years, until the singer had to retire for health.

    The Mamas and Papas have lost three of four. Only the once lovely Jezebel,Michelle Phillips,lives on.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The Mamas and Papas have lost three of four. Only the once lovely Jezebel,Michelle Phillips,lives on.
     
    I saw the reconstituted M&Ps perform live on our state capitol lawn. Instead of John's wife, it was John's daughter for eye candy. Instead of Cass, who was unavailable, they invited Elaine "Spanky" McFarlane, who had the most Cass-like voice of anyone else in the late Sixties.

    She certainly would have been my pick, had anyone asked. They even included her Our Gang hits. You couldn't ask for a better revival.
  172. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    China still has not supplied data about the Wuhan epidemic that Western epidemiologists are desperate for and need to save lives. If we are reduced to looking at where Xi was standing for hints as if we were Cold War Sovietologists, it indicates that China (the same country that was trusted enough by the UK to be given an enormous 5G contract) is very much remiss in discharging its responsibilities to the rest of the world. Are the Chinese leadership hiding something, seeing this panic in the West as some kind of an opportunity, or simply in the grip of suspicion and resentment?

    Whatever the explanation, this is a watershed for the system in which bankers and hedge funds bet the farm on Chinese growth continuing and get upset with Trump for not assisting the Chinese in pulling the world economy into a putative promised land. Everyone’s pensions are dependant on shareholder value and that is predicated on offshoring to and repatriation of profits from the same country that covered up and then put the blame on America for an outbreak whose origins are still being obscured by Xi . There has to be a better way!


    Escape from Rome: The Failure of Empire and the Road to Prosperity

    In an absorbing narrative that begins with ancient Rome but stretches far beyond it, from Byzantium to China and from Genghis Khan to Napoleon, Scheidel shows how the demise of Rome and the enduring failure of empire-building on European soil ensured competitive fragmentation between and within states. This rich diversity encouraged political, economic, scientific, and technological breakthroughs that allowed Europe to surge ahead while other parts of the world lagged behind, burdened as they were by traditional empires and predatory regimes that lived by conquest. It wasn’t until Europe “escaped” from Rome that it launched an economic transformation that changed the continent and ultimately the world.
     

    Sure they supply cheap goods, but Xi's Imperial Han Emporium are recalescent, as evidenced by their 'disgusting' wet food markets again selling an animal that folklore and and countless horror films have portrayed as a plague vector.

    John Stuart Mill on China
    The modern régime of public opinion is, in an unorganized form, what the Chinese educational and political systems are in an organized; and unless individuality shall be able successfully to assert itself against this yoke, Europe, notwithstanding its noble antecedents and its professed Christianity, will tend to become another China.
     
    Escape from empire indeed.

    China is very much remiss in discharging its responsibilities to the rest of the world.

    China’s primary responsibility is to run China.

    China engages in international relations for the primary benefit of China.

    The “rest of the world” is responsible for itself, including obtaining reliable information to guide each country’s actions.

    Cooperation among governments – much touted by the MSM – mostly amounts to a conspiracy of the respective ruling elites against the ruled.

  173. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Sure they supply cheap goods, but Xi’s Imperial Han Emporium are recalescent, as evidenced by their ‘disgusting’ wet food markets again selling an animal that folklore and and countless horror films have portrayed as a plague vector.
     
    Bat is not a traditional Chinese dish. It is in Palau, a former US colony and current US protectorate, and in Indonesia, a US ally. The US and UK press are currently circulating photos from Indonesia to and claiming that they're from China:

    https://twitter.com/shaunrein/status/1245616520794746880

    https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1243351601823154177

    Bat is not a traditional Chinese dish.

    Bats have long been eaten in Southern China as a special dish (usually soup) to bring luck.

    Bats are called 蝙蝠 bian-fu in Chinese. The second syllable is homophonous with 福 fu meaning “good fortune.” Note that the right-hand portions of the two fu characters are identical.

  174. @prosa123
    Staten Island north of the Staten Island Expressway (I-278) is a lot more urban and a lot less affluent than most other parts of the borough.

    St. George is perhaps the most urban. The rest may as well be Jersey.

  175. @nebulafox
    “Death smiles at us all, but all a man can do is smile back."

    Funny you should mention, because I just came across a famous bit from Horace:

    Omnes una manet nox
    For all of us, awaits one night

  176. @J.Ross
    So all the self-shot phone videos of Chinese people eating scorpions, worms, centipedes, live mice, etc, plus all the anecdotes about how "South Chinese will eat anything," that was all just a Brian Williams flub? Okay. This is like insisting that Romanian is not a Romance language. Chinese people objectively have an extremely flexible concept of hygeine, they have a uniquely and deliberately inclusive cuisine, and the task you gave voluntarily set yourself is not to "debunk" one photograph from one Pacific island, it is to remove the letter "L" from the alphabet. Looks like Lem laughed last.

    I don’t have any opinion on whether the Chinese ate reading bats today or not, but that whole line of arginine seems excessively provincial to me.

    Thing is we eat snakes, alligators,frogs and crickets, and snails (well, the French anyway), not to mention shrimp and lobster.

    There’s this NPR “gameshow” called Says You about language topics. A segment on the show that asked last weekend was to guess what animal was being described by the recipe for it in the Larousse Gastronomique.

    I don’t remember most of them but rat, bear and some sort of badger were in there.

    So western people eat, or have eaten most things that move too.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >Westerners eat wierd things
    Do we eat them live? Do we eat them at wet markets? Do we slaughter them as cruelly as possible? There's no arguing possible here.
  177. @Father O'Hara
    The Mamas and Papas have lost three of four. Only the once lovely Jezebel,Michelle Phillips,lives on.

    The Mamas and Papas have lost three of four. Only the once lovely Jezebel,Michelle Phillips,lives on.

    I saw the reconstituted M&Ps perform live on our state capitol lawn. Instead of John’s wife, it was John’s daughter for eye candy. Instead of Cass, who was unavailable, they invited Elaine “Spanky” McFarlane, who had the most Cass-like voice of anyone else in the late Sixties.

    She certainly would have been my pick, had anyone asked. They even included her Our Gang hits. You couldn’t ask for a better revival.

  178. @Currier House
    Thanks good sir.

    Steve is right about so many things and has been such a lifeline and house of refuge for us clear thinkers that I truly love him and bless his soul.

    But, on the virus, he's been hyping it. I think he just doesn't really get virology, honestly. To be fair, most people fear the unknown. I grew up in a medical household and community though, so the more I mature and get context, the more I realize how much more I grok this shit than most other people. You seem to get it though. As do Alden, Je Suis Omar Mateen, and some others.

    Thanks good sir.

    • Thanks: Currier House
    • Replies: @Lagertha
    Thanks, Reg! Lagertha lives! I do feel a little bit vain using her name...but, Lagertha Lothbruk was the best female character I have seen in a long, long time....and, she's a blonde (and the polar opposite of a Becky in more than one way), so it was a must. Thanks for making me laugh, once again.
  179. @Currier House
    Thanks man. As a long-time reader of the comments on this site but brand spanking new commenter, it is an honor to be replied to by such an esteemed personage of intellectualism and policy-recommendations as yourself. And I truly mean it. I'm not Swedish, I'm from the Democratic People's Republic of Florida.

    And yeah, listen, the way virology works is as follows. The body fights off viruses by producing white blood cells - T Killer Cells and Lymphocytes -- in the bone marrow. Gym exercise - deadies, squatting -- stimulates the bone marrow to produce more of these White Blood Cells to fight off and contain the virus like Riot Cops cordoning off and beating hordes of rioting criminals. If there are more Cops, the cops win. If there are more rioting criminals, lawlessness reigns and society (the body) sickens and/or dies. SO, ERGO - IF the government wanted our bodies to fight the virus off, they'd keep the gyms open and mandate we go.

    Instead, they closed the gyms. Ergo, they know nothing of virology, OR, more likely, they, the government, want us to DIE , which is the more probably explanation. I know this because my grandfather's entire family was killed by the government. So i know that death and genocidal megalomania is in its inherent nature.

    QED ISteve Fam. Bless you all. You're welcome.

    You can’t lift weights at home? What’s healthier, better equipment at the gym but with someone with the virus next to you, or lifting at home, no one else around? That’s assuming what you say about lifting stimulating your natural defenses is true.

    • Replies: @Telemachos
    I suspect maybe 0.01% of New Yorkers have space for a home gym.
  180. @Mr. Anon

    She’s on the verge of retirement.
     
    Who the devil are you talking about? She. She who? The nurses I know are young, some of them at the very beginning of their career.

    Yes, I’ve been employed in hospital settings. No, the nurses did not complain in my hearing that they had crappy jobs.
     
    Like they'd confide in you. You're a tiresome, pedantic, fake-know-it-all.

    Idiot.

    Like they’d confide in you. You’re a tiresome, pedantic, fake-know-it-all.

    They chuffered about anything and everything as they filled out paperwork or had downtime between patients. This was true in the emergency department and on the wards. I saw it both as an employee and as a family member of patients.

  181. @Reg Cæsar

    Unlike the other boroughs which the USPS uses the borough name (New York, Brooklyn, etc.) for the address, Queens uses neighborhoods, like Long Island City that everyone knows from the AOC debacle over Amazon jobs.
     
    That's because Brooklyn is a city, and Queens is a county. When the City, which was Manhattan and pieces of the Bronx, swallowed the neighboring counties in 1898, Brooklyn was about 9/10 of Kings County, both by population and area. It was already natural to call all of Kings "Brooklyn".

    Queens, which included what's now Nassau County, was still rural in the east, and held on to her town(ship) and village identities.

    When my mother passed on a few years ago, I made sure the obituary upstate reported her birthplace as Queens Village, not merely as "Queens". Big difference.

    Doesn't Staten Island operate the same way? Are things mailed to "Tottenville"?

    That’s funny you mention Tottenville–I once had a girlfriend from Tottenville. As best I can tell, they all use Staten Island as USPS address.

    The USPS is one of the funniest (funny-strange) organizations about–they don’t regularly conform to any geographic areas or names.

    I grew up in a town (upstate) adjacent to a city–our mailing address was the city, not the town. Our high school was in the town, but the mailing address was a village in the next town over. Your mailing address wasn’t where you lived, but what post office the USPS assigned your delivery. The examples are endless.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    You are correct, all Staten Island addresses use "Staten Island" as their mailing address, similar to the practice in the Bronx and Brooklyn. Only Manhattan addresses use "New York," while Queens is divided into Long Island City, Flushing and Jamaica.
    , @prosa123
    That’s funny you mention Tottenville–I once had a girlfriend from Tottenville

    According to rumor at least, years ago cops in the NYPD who annoyed their commanding officers would get reassigned to the 123rd Precinct in Tottenville. It's a very long drive from most of the rest of the city and especially from the Westchester and Long Island suburbs where many cops live.
    , @Jack D

    The USPS is one of the funniest (funny-strange) organizations about–they don’t regularly conform to any geographic areas or names.

    ....

    Your mailing address wasn’t where you lived, but what post office the USPS assigned your delivery.
     
    That's pretty much the whole explanation. In order to be delivered to you, your mail has to first be sent to your local post office and from there it gets distributed to each mail carrier who then brings it to your house. Each post office has a certain territory which is defined for the convenience of the postal service and (largely) without respect to municipal boundaries. If your mail said Podunk Post Office instead of Podunk (when you live over the boundary in Nowheresville) then it would make perfect sense.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The USPS is one of the funniest (funny-strange) organizations about–they don’t regularly conform to any geographic areas or names.
     
    There are so many local quirks that it would be well-nigh impossible. The one USPS requirement that sticks is that should a state have multiple municipalities using the same name, only one will be recognized.

    It was Post Office pressure that caused Wisconsin to have three official heterographic homophones for the same name-- Menominee, Menomonie, and Menomonee Falls. Interestingly, there are two Menominees just over the state line in Michigan and Illinois. That solves the problem for the USPS.
    , @Anonymous
    In Kansas, there is a Mission, city of, and a Shawnee, city of, in Johnson County. But there is no “Shawnee Mission”-except to the Post Office. People in other cities who have shipped stuff to “Shawnee Mission,KS” can get belligerent when it is explained that there is really no such place.

    There is also a Shawnee County in Kansas, which is where Topeka and the Westboro Baptist gang are located. It’s the state capital and the butt of jokes and subject of old time country songs.
  182. @Mr. Anon

    She’s on the verge of retirement.
     
    Who the devil are you talking about? She. She who? The nurses I know are young, some of them at the very beginning of their career.

    Yes, I’ve been employed in hospital settings. No, the nurses did not complain in my hearing that they had crappy jobs.
     
    Like they'd confide in you. You're a tiresome, pedantic, fake-know-it-all.

    Idiot.

    Like they’d confide in you. You’re a tiresome, pedantic, fake-know-it-all.

    Idiot.

    I know you’re set in your ways and don’t really want to process new information that might contradict your deeply-held beliefs. But the fact is there are things we all know that aren’t actually true.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    You think Art Deco isn't set in his ways? I'm not especially set in my ways. He is claiming that his experience is somehow authoritative, whereas mine is just anecdotal. He's a smug, prating, pedantic bore.

    Based on your posting history, you only know things that are known by Art Deco. You might as well be his echo.

  183. Everyone is rude to Art Deco. I wonder why.

  184. @Johann Ricke

    Like they’d confide in you. You’re a tiresome, pedantic, fake-know-it-all.

    Idiot.
     
    I know you're set in your ways and don't really want to process new information that might contradict your deeply-held beliefs. But the fact is there are things we all know that aren't actually true.

    You think Art Deco isn’t set in his ways? I’m not especially set in my ways. He is claiming that his experience is somehow authoritative, whereas mine is just anecdotal. He’s a smug, prating, pedantic bore.

    Based on your posting history, you only know things that are known by Art Deco. You might as well be his echo.

  185. @Forbes
    That's funny you mention Tottenville--I once had a girlfriend from Tottenville. As best I can tell, they all use Staten Island as USPS address.

    The USPS is one of the funniest (funny-strange) organizations about--they don't regularly conform to any geographic areas or names.

    I grew up in a town (upstate) adjacent to a city--our mailing address was the city, not the town. Our high school was in the town, but the mailing address was a village in the next town over. Your mailing address wasn't where you lived, but what post office the USPS assigned your delivery. The examples are endless.

    You are correct, all Staten Island addresses use “Staten Island” as their mailing address, similar to the practice in the Bronx and Brooklyn. Only Manhattan addresses use “New York,” while Queens is divided into Long Island City, Flushing and Jamaica.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ...while Queens is divided into Long Island City, Flushing and Jamaica.
     
    These were the old towns (i.e, civil townships) of Queens County which remain.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_municipalities_in_New_York_City#Queens_County


    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/P_dMv3gnLnhRi6XVwxA-tbrNMPU=/0x0:500x375/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:500x375):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4405631/queens-county-1896-thumb.0.png
  186. @Forbes
    That's funny you mention Tottenville--I once had a girlfriend from Tottenville. As best I can tell, they all use Staten Island as USPS address.

    The USPS is one of the funniest (funny-strange) organizations about--they don't regularly conform to any geographic areas or names.

    I grew up in a town (upstate) adjacent to a city--our mailing address was the city, not the town. Our high school was in the town, but the mailing address was a village in the next town over. Your mailing address wasn't where you lived, but what post office the USPS assigned your delivery. The examples are endless.

    That’s funny you mention Tottenville–I once had a girlfriend from Tottenville

    According to rumor at least, years ago cops in the NYPD who annoyed their commanding officers would get reassigned to the 123rd Precinct in Tottenville. It’s a very long drive from most of the rest of the city and especially from the Westchester and Long Island suburbs where many cops live.

  187. Anonymous[940] • Disclaimer says:
    @Currier House
    I’m straight , thank you very much , and I don’t have AIDS, thank God . I was specifically referring to Corona-Virus . Again, we all have it, but no one is sick, no one shows symptoms , because our bodies , immune systems , and minds are strong .

    Greenwich Village happens to also have a lot of traditional high culture . While there are some homosexuals , it’s really not all about that . It happens to be a very livable, relatively leafy , less dense / crowded / polluted , yet still centrally located part of Manhattan . Some stuff that gays like, smart straight people also like - art galleries , good restaurants and gyms , architecture . I don’t go to “bathhouses,” I like women (intelligent Asian girls in their 20s ideally) , and am speaking directly to Coronavirus . You guys project too much sometimes.

    I’m trying to help you understand what is really going on with the virus because I’m in a unique position to actually perceive the real dynamics at play and understand it. I’m trying to illuminate y’all and by extension , the world . No one actually knows anyone who is sick from this deadly virus. K?

    Sorry man, I have a rule to disregard anything said by people who put spaces on both sides of their punctuation. G0 away and speak directly to Coronavirus. You might want to sacrifice some bats to it, too.

  188. It is so hard to tell what’s going on. I saw data on the 5 boroughs, and kind of not surprising Staten Island was the healthiest, and overall men seem to be hit harder.

    But now data is coming out showing NYC might be overinflating their numbers, which may have some credence compared to other large cities having much lower numbers. Who honestly thought the literal open sewer of San Fran would be better off than NYC? It would trend with NYCs general oversized opinion of itself. Or maybe it really is just a shithole.

  189. @Forbes
    That's funny you mention Tottenville--I once had a girlfriend from Tottenville. As best I can tell, they all use Staten Island as USPS address.

    The USPS is one of the funniest (funny-strange) organizations about--they don't regularly conform to any geographic areas or names.

    I grew up in a town (upstate) adjacent to a city--our mailing address was the city, not the town. Our high school was in the town, but the mailing address was a village in the next town over. Your mailing address wasn't where you lived, but what post office the USPS assigned your delivery. The examples are endless.

    The USPS is one of the funniest (funny-strange) organizations about–they don’t regularly conform to any geographic areas or names.

    ….

    Your mailing address wasn’t where you lived, but what post office the USPS assigned your delivery.

    That’s pretty much the whole explanation. In order to be delivered to you, your mail has to first be sent to your local post office and from there it gets distributed to each mail carrier who then brings it to your house. Each post office has a certain territory which is defined for the convenience of the postal service and (largely) without respect to municipal boundaries. If your mail said Podunk Post Office instead of Podunk (when you live over the boundary in Nowheresville) then it would make perfect sense.

  190. @Forbes
    That's funny you mention Tottenville--I once had a girlfriend from Tottenville. As best I can tell, they all use Staten Island as USPS address.

    The USPS is one of the funniest (funny-strange) organizations about--they don't regularly conform to any geographic areas or names.

    I grew up in a town (upstate) adjacent to a city--our mailing address was the city, not the town. Our high school was in the town, but the mailing address was a village in the next town over. Your mailing address wasn't where you lived, but what post office the USPS assigned your delivery. The examples are endless.

    The USPS is one of the funniest (funny-strange) organizations about–they don’t regularly conform to any geographic areas or names.

    There are so many local quirks that it would be well-nigh impossible. The one USPS requirement that sticks is that should a state have multiple municipalities using the same name, only one will be recognized.

    It was Post Office pressure that caused Wisconsin to have three official heterographic homophones for the same name– Menominee, Menomonie, and Menomonee Falls. Interestingly, there are two Menominees just over the state line in Michigan and Illinois. That solves the problem for the USPS.

  191. I grew up in a town (upstate) adjacent to a city–our mailing address was the city, not the town.

    My mother was in a similar position — living in the Town of X, over the line from the Town of Y, which is separate from the city of Y where the post office was. The Village of X in the eponymous Town had its own PO, which was closer, but it was the city’s far-flung route she was on.

    In contrast, Long Island has dozens of unincorporated hamlets with their own nominal post offices. Brentwood has 60,000 people. Cheektowaga outside Buffalo has 75,000.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_municipalities_on_Long_Island

  192. @prosa123
    You are correct, all Staten Island addresses use "Staten Island" as their mailing address, similar to the practice in the Bronx and Brooklyn. Only Manhattan addresses use "New York," while Queens is divided into Long Island City, Flushing and Jamaica.

    …while Queens is divided into Long Island City, Flushing and Jamaica.

    These were the old towns (i.e, civil townships) of Queens County which remain.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_municipalities_in_New_York_City#Queens_County

  193. @Jack D
    When it comes to smoking (actually when it comes to a lot of things safety and pollution related), China is like America circa 1960. It's just sort of assumed that adult men smoke (and drink) - that's what normal adult men do. Some smoke (and drink) a lot and some smoke (and drink) less. People will offer you a cigarette and even if you don't smoke back home in America, you take one just to be polite. One cigarette never killed anyone. They don't have this American style "one drop rule" absolutist notion when it comes to being "a smoker".

    When I was a little kid it used to be normal to have a container of cigarettes on the table (together with engraved souvenir matches) at a wedding or other catered affair just to show your hospitality. No one thought anything of it.

    Yup, I recall my parents throwing cocktail parties, or going to christmas parties at family friends, and there’d be a tray on the coffee table with cigarettes, one with matches or lighter. Kinda Mad Men era.

  194. @Ano4
    Are you aware that the asymptomatic phase of the infection might be around two weeks and even longer in certain people?

    That in some individuals the asymptomatic phase is immediately followed by the pulmonary infection?

    That even perfectly healthy young people have been among those who ended in the ICU?

    That even asymptomatic carriers (who might easily be more than 50% of the infected population according to the Islandic report) are still infectious, although with a lower R?

    That asymptomatic, healthy people might easily infect the people in the different risk groups?

    That these risk group people, infected by the asymptomatic carriers, contribute to the health system being overwhelmed?

    Now, are you still going to bars and gyms?

    Think before you answer...

    I think he’s joking. Bars and gyms were among the businesses ordered to close on March 15th.

  195. @hhsiii
    You can’t lift weights at home? What’s healthier, better equipment at the gym but with someone with the virus next to you, or lifting at home, no one else around? That’s assuming what you say about lifting stimulating your natural defenses is true.

    I suspect maybe 0.01% of New Yorkers have space for a home gym.

    • Thanks: Currier House
    • Replies: @hhsiii
    But this guy is a Harvard grad in Finance in Greenwich Village. All you need are some weights. According to him. Dead lifts and squats. Hell, DeNiro had some weights in Taxi Driver. That apartment was pretty tight. :)

    Hell, do some isomatrics, like Charles Atlas. I get the arguments about letting people go out and the healthy are less at risk, but if the point is exercise makes you healthy, I think you can do it just fine without a gym membership.
  196. @Telemachos
    I suspect maybe 0.01% of New Yorkers have space for a home gym.

    But this guy is a Harvard grad in Finance in Greenwich Village. All you need are some weights. According to him. Dead lifts and squats. Hell, DeNiro had some weights in Taxi Driver. That apartment was pretty tight. 🙂

    Hell, do some isomatrics, like Charles Atlas. I get the arguments about letting people go out and the healthy are less at risk, but if the point is exercise makes you healthy, I think you can do it just fine without a gym membership.

    • Replies: @Currier House
    Hi,

    My building is renovated classic vintage. I am used to squatting 360, deadlifting 400+, benching 225 every day.

    No way can my building support that level of repetitive pummeling and vibration.

    Also, my gym was 2 blocks from me, and I made my decisions around where to live (how much space) based on my predicted view about what my lifestyle would be, e.g. amenities and what I like to do and how much time I would spend at home and doing what. If I'd have known the government would shut down gyms, I'd have gotten a bigger space. Civilization means adhering to rules of the game so smart people can make rational plans and decisions.

    I'm not talking about curling 25 pound dumbbells. What I need are barbells, 400-800 pounds of weights, a vibration deadening platform, and a rack. Like I used to have around the corner. It was working out REALLY well for me. I was feeling great. Yes I can still walk by the river, but as you know, it's really cold and rainy out most days here, a few nice days notwithstanding. The kind of exercises I was doing was allowing me to bulk up and radiate an aura of vitality. You learn a lot from that kind of experience.

    Also, to stimulate immune response and health, you want to sweat a lot. That's great in a warm dry gym, but not smart to do out in the cold and rain, even with tech fabrics.

    Side note related to HHSII's message: Unfortunately due to diversity and associated politico-psychological complexes that have been empowered and magnified in recent years (a main theme of this blog obviously), not all Harvard grads in Greenwich Village are super wealthy right now. It's all relative, but I feel very behind in terms of my expectations for myself. I was on a good roll with momentum towards correcting this relative temporary underperformance before this whole biologically- and mathematically-illiterate coronapanic started. Yes, the gym was really helping me get my mojo back, because no HR folks or liberals could stand between me and my goals there - it was just me, my mind, my body and the weights - and that's a big reason I'm so damn pissed off right now.

    I do appreciate y'all's being so understanding, though. Empathizing.

    Finally, again, from a practical and political philosophy perspective, again, kind sirs, if you guys don't WANT to go to a public gym, you don't HAVE to. But what you're saying is I should be prohibited from doing so, just because YALL are scared. Hell, again, you can come but wear yall' "PPE." Cuz there never were any viruses in NYC's subways before all this started, right.

    Whether you adhere to the utilitarian Benthamite "greatest good for greatest number" paradigm, or Kant's "veil of ignorance" categorical imperative, using government's monopoly on the sanctioned use of force to come between my gym's willingness to serve me and my willingness and desire to assume risks and go there and life like the beast that I am, the government policy response to this crisis, real or manufactured, is WRONG, a travesty, and all of our founding fathers and patriots are spinning in their graves like centrifuges.

    Let the people exercise if they desire.

    There will always be sickness and death out there, somewhere. Nothing we do to isolate ourselves can eliminate this fact from life on earth. It's a truism. We can't be governed by fear. By this logic, no one should ever leave their houses ever again. Because God forbid, someone out there might get sick and have to go on a ventilator. It's truly absurd, guys.

  197. @hhsiii
    But this guy is a Harvard grad in Finance in Greenwich Village. All you need are some weights. According to him. Dead lifts and squats. Hell, DeNiro had some weights in Taxi Driver. That apartment was pretty tight. :)

    Hell, do some isomatrics, like Charles Atlas. I get the arguments about letting people go out and the healthy are less at risk, but if the point is exercise makes you healthy, I think you can do it just fine without a gym membership.

    Hi,

    My building is renovated classic vintage. I am used to squatting 360, deadlifting 400+, benching 225 every day.

    No way can my building support that level of repetitive pummeling and vibration.

    Also, my gym was 2 blocks from me, and I made my decisions around where to live (how much space) based on my predicted view about what my lifestyle would be, e.g. amenities and what I like to do and how much time I would spend at home and doing what. If I’d have known the government would shut down gyms, I’d have gotten a bigger space. Civilization means adhering to rules of the game so smart people can make rational plans and decisions.

    I’m not talking about curling 25 pound dumbbells. What I need are barbells, 400-800 pounds of weights, a vibration deadening platform, and a rack. Like I used to have around the corner. It was working out REALLY well for me. I was feeling great. Yes I can still walk by the river, but as you know, it’s really cold and rainy out most days here, a few nice days notwithstanding. The kind of exercises I was doing was allowing me to bulk up and radiate an aura of vitality. You learn a lot from that kind of experience.

    Also, to stimulate immune response and health, you want to sweat a lot. That’s great in a warm dry gym, but not smart to do out in the cold and rain, even with tech fabrics.

    Side note related to HHSII’s message: Unfortunately due to diversity and associated politico-psychological complexes that have been empowered and magnified in recent years (a main theme of this blog obviously), not all Harvard grads in Greenwich Village are super wealthy right now. It’s all relative, but I feel very behind in terms of my expectations for myself. I was on a good roll with momentum towards correcting this relative temporary underperformance before this whole biologically- and mathematically-illiterate coronapanic started. Yes, the gym was really helping me get my mojo back, because no HR folks or liberals could stand between me and my goals there – it was just me, my mind, my body and the weights – and that’s a big reason I’m so damn pissed off right now.

    I do appreciate y’all’s being so understanding, though. Empathizing.

    Finally, again, from a practical and political philosophy perspective, again, kind sirs, if you guys don’t WANT to go to a public gym, you don’t HAVE to. But what you’re saying is I should be prohibited from doing so, just because YALL are scared. Hell, again, you can come but wear yall’ “PPE.” Cuz there never were any viruses in NYC’s subways before all this started, right.

    Whether you adhere to the utilitarian Benthamite “greatest good for greatest number” paradigm, or Kant’s “veil of ignorance” categorical imperative, using government’s monopoly on the sanctioned use of force to come between my gym’s willingness to serve me and my willingness and desire to assume risks and go there and life like the beast that I am, the government policy response to this crisis, real or manufactured, is WRONG, a travesty, and all of our founding fathers and patriots are spinning in their graves like centrifuges.

    Let the people exercise if they desire.

    There will always be sickness and death out there, somewhere. Nothing we do to isolate ourselves can eliminate this fact from life on earth. It’s a truism. We can’t be governed by fear. By this logic, no one should ever leave their houses ever again. Because God forbid, someone out there might get sick and have to go on a ventilator. It’s truly absurd, guys.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    Ok. Yeah clearly that’s not going on in a pre-war townhouse. Some serious lifting.

    I question the virology, but you could be right. And you did inspire me to do some squats, push ups, sit ups. 😉

    As for the other stuff, I get both points. You may be spreading it to more vulnerable people. But let them wear the mask. Always a tough balancing act. Not to be blithe about it. Frankly you did come off like maybe a parody or troll at first. But I think I get your perspective.

    In any event, we weren’t prepared for this and screwed it up royally. My mom is 83, exercising on line via Zoom. She was telling me today about the polio epidemics when she was a kid, and her grandfather having to leave school during Spanish Influenza. We bounced back from that, WWI. Then the roaring twenties. Then crash, Great Depression, WWII. Then a boom. Then stagnation. Another boom, a crash, boom resumes, another crash9/11. Then another boom. Another crash. Another boom. Now this.

    Almost like it cycles. But maybe we used to be made of sterner stuff? Not to go all boomer.

    Hopefully in a few months we start to get past this. At least the first wave. There’ll be lingering after effects of course. Including from the response.

    Take care dude. I hope you can be in your gym as soon as possible.
  198. Anonymous[399] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    I saw that too and was not surprised.

    Also, Tucker Carlson did a good piece on how bogus the information coming out of China is, and I was not surprised by that information either.

    Some of us have been nicely mentioning our suspicions about both of these aspects for a while now, and it is starting to look like we have been right. Let's be careful, though, because just like an exponential curve, it can be hard to see the big picture and future trend from our little place at the moment.

    Re China, the propaganda aspect of this is obvious. As the Soviets did during the Space Race, the communist government, with an iron fist around the information that gets out, is trying to convince a gullible world that its methods are superior.

    Yes, we are a mess here, and yes, they are organized and hard-working, but the comparison apples to oranges. We have our own problems, like government doctors at news conferences who lie about masks and who seem to want to steer us away from a harmless possible cure and into big pharma and elaborate, expensive solutions. And Democrat governors who want to turn this crisis into an opportunity to grab power.

    Another unfortunate thing is that we have far too many obese people with unhealthy habits who are the most likely to die from this. No wonder our numbers are climbing as they are.

    The Chinese know they can’t beat this disease, and are going to lose a huge number of people regardless of what they do, so the government’s priority now is blame-shifting rather than mitigation.

    Expect them any moment now to declare that, yes the disease was beaten – but now it’s back – worse than ever – because foreigners have brought it back into the country.

    This is very dangerous for any Westerners still in China. They need to get out, even from ‘liberal’ places like HK.

  199. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @Forbes
    That's funny you mention Tottenville--I once had a girlfriend from Tottenville. As best I can tell, they all use Staten Island as USPS address.

    The USPS is one of the funniest (funny-strange) organizations about--they don't regularly conform to any geographic areas or names.

    I grew up in a town (upstate) adjacent to a city--our mailing address was the city, not the town. Our high school was in the town, but the mailing address was a village in the next town over. Your mailing address wasn't where you lived, but what post office the USPS assigned your delivery. The examples are endless.

    In Kansas, there is a Mission, city of, and a Shawnee, city of, in Johnson County. But there is no “Shawnee Mission”-except to the Post Office. People in other cities who have shipped stuff to “Shawnee Mission,KS” can get belligerent when it is explained that there is really no such place.

    There is also a Shawnee County in Kansas, which is where Topeka and the Westboro Baptist gang are located. It’s the state capital and the butt of jokes and subject of old time country songs.

  200. @Reg Cæsar

    Thanks good sir.
     
    https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.627132551.0915/flat,750x1000,075,f.u4.jpg

    Thanks, Reg! Lagertha lives! I do feel a little bit vain using her name…but, Lagertha Lothbruk was the best female character I have seen in a long, long time….and, she’s a blonde (and the polar opposite of a Becky in more than one way), so it was a must. Thanks for making me laugh, once again.

  201. @Hail

    Tucker Carlson
     
    I have been disappointed in Tucker Carlson's role in this. He has seemingly stopped asking critical questions. He has joined in the media frenzy of inflating the CoronaPanic balloon even when all the data emerging is more and more against the initial kneejerk panic reaction. From what I've seen, Tucker's distinguishing feature from this evil beast I call CoronaPanic is that he simply redirects somewhat more blame onto China than the usual hysterical media people wish to.

    Where is Tucker's skeptical instinct? Tucker has normally been one of the few standing alone for the position of a form of sensible nationalist, for truth, justice, and the American way. A joiner-of-the-mob he has not been. a joiner of the mob who simply tries to slightly redirect the addled townsfolk and the wielded pitchforks in a slightly different direction. To mix metaphors, "China R Real Racists."

    Tucker has really let us down.

    We know Tucker producers read Steve Sailer, so if any of you are reading this, There's still time for Tucker to come back on the side of sanity against the CoronaPanic and for rational thinking; against the destructive, misanthropic shutdown mob; against the cynical pro-shutdown keystone-cop governors (almost all the ringleaders of which are from big-blue states, as it happens).

    Oh, Tucker knows. He needs to slo-mo it; that’s effective.

    He is perfectly aware what the true agenda is. You can’t pull all your weapons out at once.

    In the mean time, his lack of hysteria and doom is effective. We are at war.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    Will come a point all the crisis and panic will no longer be any justification to keep the economy shut down. You have the NY met area, New Orleans, Detroit and Washington state where this is lockdown is really justified now. You cannot at that point it's no longer justified even in those places allow panicky petes to keep the crisis going. And that is when and where The Left is going to try to crush Bad Orange Man by making him look reckless and careless about the nation's very health.
  202. @Lagertha
    Oh, Tucker knows. He needs to slo-mo it; that's effective.

    He is perfectly aware what the true agenda is. You can't pull all your weapons out at once.

    In the mean time, his lack of hysteria and doom is effective. We are at war.

    Will come a point all the crisis and panic will no longer be any justification to keep the economy shut down. You have the NY met area, New Orleans, Detroit and Washington state where this is lockdown is really justified now. You cannot at that point it’s no longer justified even in those places allow panicky petes to keep the crisis going. And that is when and where The Left is going to try to crush Bad Orange Man by making him look reckless and careless about the nation’s very health.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    eh, nuthin' don't get worked up - be happy that you have been isolating alone (which is quite wonderful - I love, love being alone) or with friends/family/neighbors. Good things come when people sacrifice their time and privilege. God things are coming. It will all work out.

    Ok, so Watching !0 Commandments....it upset me more that the horses died during 'the parting of the seas'. I kinda' still care only about animals, hahhaaaaa!

  203. @vhrm
    I don't have any opinion on whether the Chinese ate reading bats today or not, but that whole line of arginine seems excessively provincial to me.

    Thing is we eat snakes, alligators,frogs and crickets, and snails (well, the French anyway), not to mention shrimp and lobster.

    There's this NPR "gameshow" called Says You about language topics. A segment on the show that asked last weekend was to guess what animal was being described by the recipe for it in the Larousse Gastronomique.

    I don't remember most of them but rat, bear and some sort of badger were in there.

    So western people eat, or have eaten most things that move too.

    >Westerners eat wierd things
    Do we eat them live? Do we eat them at wet markets? Do we slaughter them as cruelly as possible? There’s no arguing possible here.

  204. @Bugg
    Will come a point all the crisis and panic will no longer be any justification to keep the economy shut down. You have the NY met area, New Orleans, Detroit and Washington state where this is lockdown is really justified now. You cannot at that point it's no longer justified even in those places allow panicky petes to keep the crisis going. And that is when and where The Left is going to try to crush Bad Orange Man by making him look reckless and careless about the nation's very health.

    eh, nuthin’ don’t get worked up – be happy that you have been isolating alone (which is quite wonderful – I love, love being alone) or with friends/family/neighbors. Good things come when people sacrifice their time and privilege. God things are coming. It will all work out.

    Ok, so Watching !0 Commandments….it upset me more that the horses died during ‘the parting of the seas’. I kinda’ still care only about animals, hahhaaaaa!

  205. @Currier House
    Hi,

    My building is renovated classic vintage. I am used to squatting 360, deadlifting 400+, benching 225 every day.

    No way can my building support that level of repetitive pummeling and vibration.

    Also, my gym was 2 blocks from me, and I made my decisions around where to live (how much space) based on my predicted view about what my lifestyle would be, e.g. amenities and what I like to do and how much time I would spend at home and doing what. If I'd have known the government would shut down gyms, I'd have gotten a bigger space. Civilization means adhering to rules of the game so smart people can make rational plans and decisions.

    I'm not talking about curling 25 pound dumbbells. What I need are barbells, 400-800 pounds of weights, a vibration deadening platform, and a rack. Like I used to have around the corner. It was working out REALLY well for me. I was feeling great. Yes I can still walk by the river, but as you know, it's really cold and rainy out most days here, a few nice days notwithstanding. The kind of exercises I was doing was allowing me to bulk up and radiate an aura of vitality. You learn a lot from that kind of experience.

    Also, to stimulate immune response and health, you want to sweat a lot. That's great in a warm dry gym, but not smart to do out in the cold and rain, even with tech fabrics.

    Side note related to HHSII's message: Unfortunately due to diversity and associated politico-psychological complexes that have been empowered and magnified in recent years (a main theme of this blog obviously), not all Harvard grads in Greenwich Village are super wealthy right now. It's all relative, but I feel very behind in terms of my expectations for myself. I was on a good roll with momentum towards correcting this relative temporary underperformance before this whole biologically- and mathematically-illiterate coronapanic started. Yes, the gym was really helping me get my mojo back, because no HR folks or liberals could stand between me and my goals there - it was just me, my mind, my body and the weights - and that's a big reason I'm so damn pissed off right now.

    I do appreciate y'all's being so understanding, though. Empathizing.

    Finally, again, from a practical and political philosophy perspective, again, kind sirs, if you guys don't WANT to go to a public gym, you don't HAVE to. But what you're saying is I should be prohibited from doing so, just because YALL are scared. Hell, again, you can come but wear yall' "PPE." Cuz there never were any viruses in NYC's subways before all this started, right.

    Whether you adhere to the utilitarian Benthamite "greatest good for greatest number" paradigm, or Kant's "veil of ignorance" categorical imperative, using government's monopoly on the sanctioned use of force to come between my gym's willingness to serve me and my willingness and desire to assume risks and go there and life like the beast that I am, the government policy response to this crisis, real or manufactured, is WRONG, a travesty, and all of our founding fathers and patriots are spinning in their graves like centrifuges.

    Let the people exercise if they desire.

    There will always be sickness and death out there, somewhere. Nothing we do to isolate ourselves can eliminate this fact from life on earth. It's a truism. We can't be governed by fear. By this logic, no one should ever leave their houses ever again. Because God forbid, someone out there might get sick and have to go on a ventilator. It's truly absurd, guys.

    Ok. Yeah clearly that’s not going on in a pre-war townhouse. Some serious lifting.

    I question the virology, but you could be right. And you did inspire me to do some squats, push ups, sit ups. 😉

    As for the other stuff, I get both points. You may be spreading it to more vulnerable people. But let them wear the mask. Always a tough balancing act. Not to be blithe about it. Frankly you did come off like maybe a parody or troll at first. But I think I get your perspective.

    In any event, we weren’t prepared for this and screwed it up royally. My mom is 83, exercising on line via Zoom. She was telling me today about the polio epidemics when she was a kid, and her grandfather having to leave school during Spanish Influenza. We bounced back from that, WWI. Then the roaring twenties. Then crash, Great Depression, WWII. Then a boom. Then stagnation. Another boom, a crash, boom resumes, another crash9/11. Then another boom. Another crash. Another boom. Now this.

    Almost like it cycles. But maybe we used to be made of sterner stuff? Not to go all boomer.

    Hopefully in a few months we start to get past this. At least the first wave. There’ll be lingering after effects of course. Including from the response.

    Take care dude. I hope you can be in your gym as soon as possible.

  206. @Art Deco
    Oh bullshit. Go be a nurse, bonehead. Bathe and provide medicine to 60 patients a day. Go for it. You’re arrogant.

    That you don't wish to do this sort of work is immaterial. Other people do, they go to considerable trouble to obtain a license to do this sort of work, and they aren't badly paid for it. Somehow in the static-infested space between your ears, acknowledging that makes me 'arrogant'.

    So you’re exactly, and I mean exactly, like that closeted queen Lindsay Graham. Congratulations.

  207. The Chinese dance group Shen Yun performed at Lincoln Center in NYC from March 5 -11. The rest of the performances were cancelled. I wonder if this had anything to do with how bad it got in NYC.

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