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  1. No need to cry for the poisonous dwarf.

    No need to cry for the old bolsheviks either, mass murderers to a man.

    • Agree: Liza, Escher
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @byrresheim

    Indeed. He got a taste of his own medicine.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Yezhov

    , @Not Raul
    @byrresheim

    Some of the charges in the Case of the Anti-Soviet "Bloc of Rightists and Trotskyites" were absurd.

    At the very least, Bukharin, and Pletnyov should never have been charged.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  2. Well, you can be sure his interjections weren’t some wussy “Uh-Oh” and “Gott Im Himmel”. They were more like “Gulag” and “To the Lubyanka”.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @kaganovitch

    Richard Overy

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/600045.Russia_s_War

    provides a spicy rant in the reaction to the launch of Barbarossa.

    Replies: @Cortes

  3. Who – the Vaxxed
    Whom- the unvaxxed

    The Unvaxxed are being banned and Blacklisted today because they fail to comply which indicates they may oppose the new woke order. These are the people the establishment fears most, those that refuse to submit.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco


    ... those that refuse to submit.
     
    That should be “those who refuse to submit.”

    After the vaxx die-off we’ll have the numbers and vivid memories of who tried to other us.

    Interestingly, the rush to make boosters a very visible recurring thing might be enough to turn the middle 40%, who are go-along get-along types, away from the 30% who are hard-core Vaxxis and align the middle 40% with the 30% unvaxxed in putting a stop to this reign of terror.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    they may oppose the new woke order

    So will the American right now turn against Orbán, since Hungary introduced vaccination mandates in the work place a month ago? Who knew that Viktor Orbán was woke. Putin is getting close to becoming woke as well.

    Otoh, German leftists like Wagenknecht are apparently not woke. Funny world we live in these days.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @scrivener3
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    The one positive, uplifting, wonderful thing about Covid is that it has shut up the collectivists who have pined and agitated for "single payer" health care, or "national health insurance."

    One used to walk too and fro up and down the Internets and had to read their crap as if it was an unmitigated good that health care be made a collective product, financed collectively and of course delivered by collective will.

    Those who have lamented that the United States is the only civilized country where a poor individual has to pay out of pocket for the necessary life saving care the need for witch was visited on them through no fault of their own.

    Then, about one year ago, it dawned on the feeble intellect of the collectivists:

    He who pays the piper calls the tune.

    Single payer, national health insurance, free (government financed) health care is paid for by government bureaucrats. They decide what you get and under what conditions. Having to pay for your own doctor, the horror! Free health care, bring your 4 year old daughter in for the experimental RNA vaccination, and if you refuse grandpa's dialysis is hereby cancelled.

    Remember in collectively financed goods there is no way for the majority to express their will, an elite controls the spending. Under individual directed health care, you pay the doctor, the doctor listens to you.

    Think of that when you notice the silence on national health care or single payer.

  4. This is gold.

    • Replies: @Franz
    @Boomthorkell


    This is gold.
     
    More fun if your library carries the whole book:

    https://www.amazon.com/Commissar-Vanishes-Falsification-Photographs-Stalins/dp/1849762511/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+commissar+vanishes&qid=1638850668&s=books&sr=1-1
  5. @byrresheim
    No need to cry for the poisonous dwarf.

    No need to cry for the old bolsheviks either, mass murderers to a man.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Not Raul

    Indeed. He got a taste of his own medicine.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Yezhov

  6. Stalin is reaching for his piece in that pic.

  7. @Boomthorkell
    This is gold.

    Replies: @Franz

    This is gold.

    More fun if your library carries the whole book:

  8. As if Americans don’t get disappeared.

    • Agree: JackOH
    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    @obwandiyag

    Absolutely.

    Still, it's endless fun pointing out how "Soviet" America has become to people, especially people who came from the USSR or former Warsaw Pact.

    Even though America's sordid history is long, unique and impressively bad on its own terms, the imagery of the "Evil Empire" is quite powerful to use here, especially amongst a milieu who either

    1. Are slowly recognizing the inherent issues of their own system, but formerly only thought in terms of evil socialists.
    2. Are hilarious cultists worshiping a bastard variant of Marxism

  9. @byrresheim
    No need to cry for the poisonous dwarf.

    No need to cry for the old bolsheviks either, mass murderers to a man.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Not Raul

    Some of the charges in the Case of the Anti-Soviet “Bloc of Rightists and Trotskyites” were absurd.

    At the very least, Bukharin, and Pletnyov should never have been charged.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Not Raul

    Not Raul wrote:


    At the very least, Bukharin, and Pletnyov should never have been charged.
     
    Bukharin was one of the least evil of the Bolsheviks. And he actually knew some economics.

    But did he ever speak up against all the mass murders committed from the October Revolution up until his own death?

    Replies: @Not Raul

  10. @kaganovitch
    Well, you can be sure his interjections weren't some wussy "Uh-Oh" and "Gott Im Himmel". They were more like "Gulag" and "To the Lubyanka".

    Replies: @Cortes

    Richard Overy

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/600045.Russia_s_War

    provides a spicy rant in the reaction to the launch of Barbarossa.

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Cortes

    There may be some useful links in

    https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com/2021/11/14/was-stalin-a-good-war-chief-part-v/

    I only skimmed it (it also refers to Overy) and the comments. If time permits I’d like to follow up on the crazy sounding origin of the “Little Red Riding Hood” story mentioned.

  11. @Not Raul
    @byrresheim

    Some of the charges in the Case of the Anti-Soviet "Bloc of Rightists and Trotskyites" were absurd.

    At the very least, Bukharin, and Pletnyov should never have been charged.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Not Raul wrote:

    At the very least, Bukharin, and Pletnyov should never have been charged.

    Bukharin was one of the least evil of the Bolsheviks. And he actually knew some economics.

    But did he ever speak up against all the mass murders committed from the October Revolution up until his own death?

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @PhysicistDave


    Bukharin was one of the least evil of the Bolsheviks. And he actually knew some economics.

    But did he ever speak up against all the mass murders committed from the October Revolution up until his own death?
     
    I don’t know; but given how dangerous speaking up would be, a vast majority of people would have kept silent.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  12. They were all utter garbage.

    I sometimes wonder what would have been had moderate- “moderate” in the 1920s Russian sense- socialists like Mensheviks, Bundists & Social Revolutionaries had prevailed.

    It was too late for Constitutional Democrats like Struve & Nabokov sr.

    • Replies: @IronCurtain
    @Bardon Kaldian

    What would happen is the following- Russia would be torn apart and disintegrate further than it is now with Poland grabbing more of land in Ukraine and Belorussia, there would be a permanent war in Caucuses between all those tiny tribes, Central Asia would become a bunch of khanates - just like now - with no modernization that Soviets brought in, and Far East would be dominated by Japan. Those moderate SDs were good in debates while in Zurich and shit when it came to fighting the civil war and re-establishing the state after the disaster of February Coup.

  13. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    Who - the Vaxxed
    Whom- the unvaxxed

    The Unvaxxed are being banned and Blacklisted today because they fail to comply which indicates they may oppose the new woke order. These are the people the establishment fears most, those that refuse to submit.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Peter Akuleyev, @scrivener3

    … those that refuse to submit.

    That should be “those who refuse to submit.”

    After the vaxx die-off we’ll have the numbers and vivid memories of who tried to other us.

    Interestingly, the rush to make boosters a very visible recurring thing might be enough to turn the middle 40%, who are go-along get-along types, away from the 30% who are hard-core Vaxxis and align the middle 40% with the 30% unvaxxed in putting a stop to this reign of terror.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @The Alarmist


    Interestingly, the rush to make boosters a very visible recurring thing might be enough to turn the middle 40%, who are go-along get-along types, away from the 30% who are hard-core Vaxxis and align the middle 40% with the 30% unvaxxed in putting a stop to this reign of terror.
     
    Of course if you are an anti-vaxxer then even 1 shot is 1 too many but people in the West have been getting annual flu shots for decades. It doesn't personally bother me in the slightest if I have to get an annual covid booster along with my annual flu shot (maybe they could even be combined, the way the MMR is a combined vaccine against 3 viruses). I suppose there might be some people who would say "I'm ok with 2 or 3 shots, but not more" but I can't imagine it would be all or even most of the middle 40%.

    I do think that the "you have to be [re]vaccinated or else you lose your job" thing is going too far, especially for people whose jobs are not facing the public such that they are going to be spreading the virus. At some point the authorities are going to have to give up and realize that this is now an endemic disease, especially with animal reservoirs and that we are just going to have to live with it from now on so there's no point in lock downs, etc.

    The fact that (at least based on early reports) that Omicron is more contagious but less deadly (which is a common pattern for virus mutations - if you want to be widely successful in the virus market then killing your customers is not a good idea) is a hopeful sign. Hopefully someday Covid-19 will assume its place among the other common cold viruses in its family.

    Replies: @Moses, @I. Racist

    , @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @The Alarmist

    True, many of the vaxxed oppose mandating the boosters. Many have noticed that the boosters do not protect people from the new variants and the vaccines fail to prevent infections and fail to stop the spread of COVID. many are refusing another worthless dose of these non-sterilizing vaccine because the efficacy data is lacking on the boosters. Pfizer already admitted the vaccines efficacy approaches 0% after 6 months, so the only way to get people to submit is via force and mandates.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @The Alarmist

    "After the vaxx die-off we'll have the numbers and vivid memories of who tried to other us."

    I have the flu vaccine circulating in me; the mRNA immune system destroyer? Nein! I guess that makes me half-vaxx, which fits because I'm known for half-assing everything. Those who resisted the tremendous societal pressure and followed the data regarding the Fauci-Gates vaccine inability to stop infection and transmission thus downgrading the F&G jab to a dangerous therapeutic, need to keep up our situational awareness. The evil regime responsible for this mayhem is still in power and is prepared to burn all of Western civilization down to the ground.

    But let's be optimistic for saner days ahead. Opportunities on the horizon. One such opportunity is a growing market for spermatozoon from those male members whose testes test negative for the F&G therapeutic. For those like me for whom masturbation is a vocation a Golden Age awaits.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  14. At first I thought you were referring to the fact that the Georgian language does not distinguish for gender, so the third person pronoun is means “he,”she”, or “it”.

    Georgians, like Turks or Iranians (who also have no grammatical gender), are clearly very progressive, and their genderless language clearly has influenced the way that women are viewed as absolute equals with the men in Georgia, and Georgian men are famed throughout the ex-USSR for the respectful and enlightened views they hold about women…just like Stalin.

    • Thanks: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Peter Akuleyev


    Georgian men are famed throughout the ex-USSR for the respectful and enlightened views they hold about women…just like Stalin.
     
    In the bios of Stalin I have read, the one person he was afraid of even after becoming dictator was his mother.

    He put her up in a nice house that she complained to him was "too big." She had a staff but never visited him in Moscow. I think he maybe visited her once.

    Some things never go away.
  15. Very good, Steve.

    Here’s another idea:

    Stalin: Who
    The other guy: Who?

  16. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    Who - the Vaxxed
    Whom- the unvaxxed

    The Unvaxxed are being banned and Blacklisted today because they fail to comply which indicates they may oppose the new woke order. These are the people the establishment fears most, those that refuse to submit.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Peter Akuleyev, @scrivener3

    they may oppose the new woke order

    So will the American right now turn against Orbán, since Hungary introduced vaccination mandates in the work place a month ago? Who knew that Viktor Orbán was woke. Putin is getting close to becoming woke as well.

    Otoh, German leftists like Wagenknecht are apparently not woke. Funny world we live in these days.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Peter Akuleyev asked:


    So will the American right now turn against Orbán, since Hungary introduced vaccination mandates in the work place a month ago? Who knew that Viktor Orbán was woke. Putin is getting close to becoming woke as well.
     
    Ah, Peter! No sensible person ever thought that either Orbán or Putin was a saint.

    But some of us have felt impelled to point out that they are not Satan, either.

    Peter also wrote:

    Funny world we live in these days.
     
    It's always been a funny world. Stalin fought Hitler, but they both murdered millions. Japan attacked Pearl, and so FDR and Truman murdered millions of innocents in retaliation.

    "Funny" is one word for it.

    As Lord Acton said:

    Great men are almost always bad men...
     
    And as the dean of world history studies, William H. McNeill, pointed out, government is "macroparasitism," the means by which some people manage to live by openly stealing from the productive members of society.

    As the saying goes:

    Governments do in broad daylight what ordinary criminals do under cover of darkness.
     
  17. • LOL: Moses
    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
    @Mike Tre

    There once was a website named Twitter
    Where anti-Whites whined and were bitter
    A bozo name Jack
    While smoking some crack
    Made the new CEO a street shi**er

    , @Muggles
    @Mike Tre

    There are are Tweeters and Tweetees.

    Then their Tweets are "removed."

    Ole Elon has quite a sense of humor.

    Of course if you try and steal a Tesla, I hear bad things can happen to you...

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Mike Tre

    , @res
    @Mike Tre

    The added splash is a nice touch.

  18. Another old Commie: “We will bury y’all.”

    “Don’t bury me, cause I ain’t dead yet”- David Bethany of the old Killer Whales

    .

    You are on a roll, Steve! Keep it up.

  19. The thing about that photo for me is that Yezhov always looks spliced into the first one. So I guess it worked.

    • Replies: @Sparkylyle92
    @slumber_j

    Of course the first is as fake as the second. Most obviously, the exposure of the faces is different, and the angle of the shadow from cap brims is different. This was probably the CIA just having fun.

  20. While amusing, captions are not correct.

    When the 1st photo was published, Yezhov and Stalin were both part of the “Who” and the countless “Whom” are unseen in this photo.

    When the 2nd photo was published, Stalin was the “Who” and the disappeared Yezhov was the “Whom” .

    Incidentally, the USSR had the world’s worst photo retouchers. I guess that the air brush was one Western technology that they never bothered stealing – no military application. So Soviet retouchers must have worked with crude bristle brushes. I’ve seen paintings by 12 year olds where water was more convincingly rendered than photo #2.

  21. @The Alarmist
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco


    ... those that refuse to submit.
     
    That should be “those who refuse to submit.”

    After the vaxx die-off we’ll have the numbers and vivid memories of who tried to other us.

    Interestingly, the rush to make boosters a very visible recurring thing might be enough to turn the middle 40%, who are go-along get-along types, away from the 30% who are hard-core Vaxxis and align the middle 40% with the 30% unvaxxed in putting a stop to this reign of terror.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @SunBakedSuburb

    Interestingly, the rush to make boosters a very visible recurring thing might be enough to turn the middle 40%, who are go-along get-along types, away from the 30% who are hard-core Vaxxis and align the middle 40% with the 30% unvaxxed in putting a stop to this reign of terror.

    Of course if you are an anti-vaxxer then even 1 shot is 1 too many but people in the West have been getting annual flu shots for decades. It doesn’t personally bother me in the slightest if I have to get an annual covid booster along with my annual flu shot (maybe they could even be combined, the way the MMR is a combined vaccine against 3 viruses). I suppose there might be some people who would say “I’m ok with 2 or 3 shots, but not more” but I can’t imagine it would be all or even most of the middle 40%.

    I do think that the “you have to be [re]vaccinated or else you lose your job” thing is going too far, especially for people whose jobs are not facing the public such that they are going to be spreading the virus. At some point the authorities are going to have to give up and realize that this is now an endemic disease, especially with animal reservoirs and that we are just going to have to live with it from now on so there’s no point in lock downs, etc.

    The fact that (at least based on early reports) that Omicron is more contagious but less deadly (which is a common pattern for virus mutations – if you want to be widely successful in the virus market then killing your customers is not a good idea) is a hopeful sign. Hopefully someday Covid-19 will assume its place among the other common cold viruses in its family.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Jack D


    It doesn’t personally bother me in the slightest if I have to get an annual covid booster along with my annual flu shot
     
    Sure getting a shot is no biggie. But getting THIS shot...I dunno. I've got the FUD.

    I'm a bit concerned by the reports of 20- and 30-something footballers dropping dead on the field of heart attacks, anecdotal evidence of increased heart and vascular problem rates and that recent report that the vax seems to increase markers that show 5 year risk of future heart attack (sure the study is not published yet but doesn't need to be to seed doubt.)

    Absent from all the media reports on myocarditis etc is the *mechanism* of causation from the vax. It could be that lots of coronary blood vessel damage is being done under the radar that will accelerate heart disease over years. Some have suggested this but have been shut down immediately.

    And yeah, I did get 2 jabs. I wasn't crazy about it, but after extensive research I reasoned that the clear and present benefit slightly outweighed the unclear and uncertain cost given what I knew at the time.

    The "experts" have been wrong about everything in this pandemic. Every. Single. Thing.

    There is a helluva lot riding on the vaccines selling and not doing damage -- insane amounts of money not to mention careers and political fortunes. If it turned out that the vax was really killing people do you think our betters would come clean, or just cover it up? My money's on the latter.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Jack D, @HA

    , @I. Racist
    @Jack D

    The distinction to be made is that only a tiny fraction of people taking the flu shot are harmed by it. There was a study released before anyone got the jab (subsequently replicated) showing that the spike protein was toxic and damaged the endothelium. Dismissing this problem is like saying you've been smoking for twenty years and it hasn't done you any harm.

    Given that not everyone is equally likely to be severely affected by the virus, one could make some sort of educated guess based on ones own risk factors whether it's a good idea or not.

  22. @Jack D
    @The Alarmist


    Interestingly, the rush to make boosters a very visible recurring thing might be enough to turn the middle 40%, who are go-along get-along types, away from the 30% who are hard-core Vaxxis and align the middle 40% with the 30% unvaxxed in putting a stop to this reign of terror.
     
    Of course if you are an anti-vaxxer then even 1 shot is 1 too many but people in the West have been getting annual flu shots for decades. It doesn't personally bother me in the slightest if I have to get an annual covid booster along with my annual flu shot (maybe they could even be combined, the way the MMR is a combined vaccine against 3 viruses). I suppose there might be some people who would say "I'm ok with 2 or 3 shots, but not more" but I can't imagine it would be all or even most of the middle 40%.

    I do think that the "you have to be [re]vaccinated or else you lose your job" thing is going too far, especially for people whose jobs are not facing the public such that they are going to be spreading the virus. At some point the authorities are going to have to give up and realize that this is now an endemic disease, especially with animal reservoirs and that we are just going to have to live with it from now on so there's no point in lock downs, etc.

    The fact that (at least based on early reports) that Omicron is more contagious but less deadly (which is a common pattern for virus mutations - if you want to be widely successful in the virus market then killing your customers is not a good idea) is a hopeful sign. Hopefully someday Covid-19 will assume its place among the other common cold viruses in its family.

    Replies: @Moses, @I. Racist

    It doesn’t personally bother me in the slightest if I have to get an annual covid booster along with my annual flu shot

    Sure getting a shot is no biggie. But getting THIS shot…I dunno. I’ve got the FUD.

    I’m a bit concerned by the reports of 20- and 30-something footballers dropping dead on the field of heart attacks, anecdotal evidence of increased heart and vascular problem rates and that recent report that the vax seems to increase markers that show 5 year risk of future heart attack (sure the study is not published yet but doesn’t need to be to seed doubt.)

    Absent from all the media reports on myocarditis etc is the *mechanism* of causation from the vax. It could be that lots of coronary blood vessel damage is being done under the radar that will accelerate heart disease over years. Some have suggested this but have been shut down immediately.

    And yeah, I did get 2 jabs. I wasn’t crazy about it, but after extensive research I reasoned that the clear and present benefit slightly outweighed the unclear and uncertain cost given what I knew at the time.

    The “experts” have been wrong about everything in this pandemic. Every. Single. Thing.

    There is a helluva lot riding on the vaccines selling and not doing damage — insane amounts of money not to mention careers and political fortunes. If it turned out that the vax was really killing people do you think our betters would come clean, or just cover it up? My money’s on the latter.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Moses


    The “experts” have been wrong about everything in this pandemic. Every. Single. Thing.
     
    Whoa, that's almost anti-semitic.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Jack D
    @Moses

    The nature of this vaccine (of pretty much any drug or vaccine) is that it tends to get cleared from your bloodstream pretty quickly so that most side effects are seen early on and then they diminish exponentially over time. People (like you) keep talking about mysterious side effects that will somehow manifest themselves months or years or decades later but generally speaking that's not how it tends to work. Maybe this vaccine is unique in that the side effects increase over time rather than diminish like every other vaccine but I doubt it. The nature of these vague objections (which seem to keep changing over time - once you disprove one, there is another - first it was genetic damage , then it was heart inflammation, etc. ) is always such that they can never (or at least not for many years) be disproved because you can't disprove a negative.

    As you admit, the benefits of the vaccine are immediate and real (90+% reductions in hospitalizations and deaths due to Covid) while the risks of these supposed side effects seem to be quite rare and illusory, so they do not persuade me at all. We have now had the largest vaccine "trial" in history with over 4 BILLION people vaccinated. If there were any side effects, even rare ones and ones that begin to creep up later, we would have already seen a large # of early cases over this vast sample. As far as I can tell, this is one of the safest vaccines ever developed.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @HA, @Moses

    , @HA
    @Moses

    "The “experts” have been wrong about everything in this pandemic. Every. Single. Thing."

    They did a lot better than the alternatives that the truthers relied on, like Knut Wittkowski, who assured us that deaths would top out at 10,000. Or Richard Epstein who revised his initial death toll estimate of 500 to 5,000 because of a "math error". Ioannidis hasn't done his career any favors, either. You don't have to admire Fauci in order to realize these people are even more clueless, which is saying something.

    "If it turned out that the vax was really killing people do you think our betters would come clean,..."

    If Pfizer/Moderna was killing Americans en masse, I'd certainly expect the Chinese and Russians to try and present legitimate science stating such. Since they're relying on troll farms and Facebook conspiracy memes, I'm less convinced. And if there was a cover-up, the first objective of it would be to shut up people like you. The very fact that you and Whitney and Berenson are allowed to go on living and publishing (with nothing but the occasional Twitter expulsion or so-called "fact-check" to stand in your way), and the VAERS database is allowed to grow, tells me that you and they are either in on the con, or else you're just loons.

    Same goes with the 911-truthers. If the government was willing to go through all the effort of installing super-unobtanium-grade thermite in the towers, they surely wouldn't let a bunch of conspiracy nuts spill the beans on it with some Youtube video, unless those conspiracy nuts were paid infiltrators, or exactly the useful dupes that were needed to discredit any such conspiracy.

  23. @The Alarmist
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco


    ... those that refuse to submit.
     
    That should be “those who refuse to submit.”

    After the vaxx die-off we’ll have the numbers and vivid memories of who tried to other us.

    Interestingly, the rush to make boosters a very visible recurring thing might be enough to turn the middle 40%, who are go-along get-along types, away from the 30% who are hard-core Vaxxis and align the middle 40% with the 30% unvaxxed in putting a stop to this reign of terror.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @SunBakedSuburb

    True, many of the vaxxed oppose mandating the boosters. Many have noticed that the boosters do not protect people from the new variants and the vaccines fail to prevent infections and fail to stop the spread of COVID. many are refusing another worthless dose of these non-sterilizing vaccine because the efficacy data is lacking on the boosters. Pfizer already admitted the vaccines efficacy approaches 0% after 6 months, so the only way to get people to submit is via force and mandates.

  24. Give credit where credit is due: they were actually Lenin’s pronouns.

  25. @Moses
    @Jack D


    It doesn’t personally bother me in the slightest if I have to get an annual covid booster along with my annual flu shot
     
    Sure getting a shot is no biggie. But getting THIS shot...I dunno. I've got the FUD.

    I'm a bit concerned by the reports of 20- and 30-something footballers dropping dead on the field of heart attacks, anecdotal evidence of increased heart and vascular problem rates and that recent report that the vax seems to increase markers that show 5 year risk of future heart attack (sure the study is not published yet but doesn't need to be to seed doubt.)

    Absent from all the media reports on myocarditis etc is the *mechanism* of causation from the vax. It could be that lots of coronary blood vessel damage is being done under the radar that will accelerate heart disease over years. Some have suggested this but have been shut down immediately.

    And yeah, I did get 2 jabs. I wasn't crazy about it, but after extensive research I reasoned that the clear and present benefit slightly outweighed the unclear and uncertain cost given what I knew at the time.

    The "experts" have been wrong about everything in this pandemic. Every. Single. Thing.

    There is a helluva lot riding on the vaccines selling and not doing damage -- insane amounts of money not to mention careers and political fortunes. If it turned out that the vax was really killing people do you think our betters would come clean, or just cover it up? My money's on the latter.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Jack D, @HA

    The “experts” have been wrong about everything in this pandemic. Every. Single. Thing.

    Whoa, that’s almost anti-semitic.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hangnail Hans

    Fauci is Jewish? Who knew?

  26. @Cortes
    @kaganovitch

    Richard Overy

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/600045.Russia_s_War

    provides a spicy rant in the reaction to the launch of Barbarossa.

    Replies: @Cortes

    There may be some useful links in

    https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com/2021/11/14/was-stalin-a-good-war-chief-part-v/

    I only skimmed it (it also refers to Overy) and the comments. If time permits I’d like to follow up on the crazy sounding origin of the “Little Red Riding Hood” story mentioned.

  27. @Moses
    @Jack D


    It doesn’t personally bother me in the slightest if I have to get an annual covid booster along with my annual flu shot
     
    Sure getting a shot is no biggie. But getting THIS shot...I dunno. I've got the FUD.

    I'm a bit concerned by the reports of 20- and 30-something footballers dropping dead on the field of heart attacks, anecdotal evidence of increased heart and vascular problem rates and that recent report that the vax seems to increase markers that show 5 year risk of future heart attack (sure the study is not published yet but doesn't need to be to seed doubt.)

    Absent from all the media reports on myocarditis etc is the *mechanism* of causation from the vax. It could be that lots of coronary blood vessel damage is being done under the radar that will accelerate heart disease over years. Some have suggested this but have been shut down immediately.

    And yeah, I did get 2 jabs. I wasn't crazy about it, but after extensive research I reasoned that the clear and present benefit slightly outweighed the unclear and uncertain cost given what I knew at the time.

    The "experts" have been wrong about everything in this pandemic. Every. Single. Thing.

    There is a helluva lot riding on the vaccines selling and not doing damage -- insane amounts of money not to mention careers and political fortunes. If it turned out that the vax was really killing people do you think our betters would come clean, or just cover it up? My money's on the latter.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Jack D, @HA

    The nature of this vaccine (of pretty much any drug or vaccine) is that it tends to get cleared from your bloodstream pretty quickly so that most side effects are seen early on and then they diminish exponentially over time. People (like you) keep talking about mysterious side effects that will somehow manifest themselves months or years or decades later but generally speaking that’s not how it tends to work. Maybe this vaccine is unique in that the side effects increase over time rather than diminish like every other vaccine but I doubt it. The nature of these vague objections (which seem to keep changing over time – once you disprove one, there is another – first it was genetic damage , then it was heart inflammation, etc. ) is always such that they can never (or at least not for many years) be disproved because you can’t disprove a negative.

    As you admit, the benefits of the vaccine are immediate and real (90+% reductions in hospitalizations and deaths due to Covid) while the risks of these supposed side effects seem to be quite rare and illusory, so they do not persuade me at all. We have now had the largest vaccine “trial” in history with over 4 BILLION people vaccinated. If there were any side effects, even rare ones and ones that begin to creep up later, we would have already seen a large # of early cases over this vast sample. As far as I can tell, this is one of the safest vaccines ever developed.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Jack D


    As far as I can tell, this is one of the safest vaccines ever developed.
     
    I do like satire.
    , @HA
    @Jack D

    "People (like you) keep talking about mysterious side effects that will somehow manifest themselves months or years or decades later..."

    No, for some strange reason I have yet to understand, the truthers are of the opinion that the massive die-off will happen "in the winter". Not sure why. Maybe Bill Gates decided to at least give people a few summer months before liquidating them by the billions as part of some sort of 4-d chess move. Maybe the myocarditis is especially treacherous when shoveling snow. Or maybe it's a Game of Thrones tie-in.

    Eventually, all those snow-shoveling deaths by 11-year-old left-handed male gingers in the UK (as I recall, that's a cohort that their 100% bias-free cherry-picking has determined is especially hard hit by vaccine complications) will somehow make up for the fact that (if Texas is any guide) the unvaxxed are 40 times more likely to die of COVID. and they're more likely to die of other causes as well. Evidently, that daredevil "I'm too cool to die from anything that isn't myocarditis" attitude that leads people to believe that they don't need a vaccine has its own deadly side-effects.

    , @Moses
    @Jack D

    Hi Jack - The issues you raise are all beside my points. You are rebutting your own imagination. To wit:


    The nature of this vaccine (of pretty much any drug or vaccine) is that it tends to get cleared from your bloodstream pretty quickly so that most side effects are seen early on and then they diminish exponentially over time.
     
    I think you mean "the spike proteins the vax instructs your cells to make get cleared pretty quickly."

    This may be true, although I've been unable to find any data on the half-life of the spike protein. Anyway it's irrelevant. The hypothesis is the spike protein may damage the heart muscle and/or coronary arteries.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

    Something is causing myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining of the heart) after vax. My understanding is the vax floods your body with more spike protein than Wuflu does, although I may have got that wrong. "Science" suggests the culprit may be the spike protein.

    If the spike protein is behind this heart damage, it seems unlikely that the damage occurs only in footballers dropping to the ground clutching their chests. The same damage mechanism may be operating at a lower, undetected level in others and has "aged" their hearts considerably through damage to the heart muscle and/or coronary vessels.


    Maybe this vaccine is unique in that the side effects increase over time rather than diminish like every other vaccine but I doubt it...

    As you admit, the benefits of the vaccine are immediate and real (90+% reductions in hospitalizations and deaths due to Covid) while the risks of these supposed side effects seem to be quite rare and illusory, so they do not persuade me at all.
     

    See above.

    We have now had the largest vaccine “trial” in history with over 4 BILLION people vaccinated. If there were any side effects, even rare ones and ones that begin to creep up later, we would have already seen a large # of early cases over this vast sample. As far as I can tell, this is one of the safest vaccines ever developed.
     
    Oh dear. You are so certain. Because "Science" I suppose. I do no think that word means what you think it means lol.

    Hundreds of millions of people smoked for decades before dangers of smoking became clear and accepted by medical establishment. Doctors used to tell anxious patients to start smoking to calm their nerves for Pete's sake. Heck, until recently doctors prescribed Oxycontin to "help" their patients.

    If the vax spike protein is damaging hearts and if people are dying even now, it will not be clear that it's due to the vax for some time even with a smoking gun study. The deaths will be chalked up to another cause.

    If the vax is aging hearts prematurely, only carefully constructed studies are gonna catch that.

    Look -- I'm not claiming the vax is a secret death weapon. That is silly caricature on both sides.

    I'm making the narrow claim that empirical evidence shows something happening here that warrants further investigation. Until "Science" (true "Science" in terms of hypothesis and test, not "Believe us because we say so" science) provides more evidence here, I will remain skeptical of the vax. In my view there is real risk. You may have a different opinion, which is fine. Take the vax every 6 months if you like.

    Heart disease runs in my family. Still undecided about the 3rd shot given what I know now. That could change with further evidence one way or another.

    Replies: @Jack D

  28. @Bardon Kaldian
    They were all utter garbage.

    I sometimes wonder what would have been had moderate- "moderate" in the 1920s Russian sense- socialists like Mensheviks, Bundists & Social Revolutionaries had prevailed.

    It was too late for Constitutional Democrats like Struve & Nabokov sr.

    Replies: @IronCurtain

    What would happen is the following- Russia would be torn apart and disintegrate further than it is now with Poland grabbing more of land in Ukraine and Belorussia, there would be a permanent war in Caucuses between all those tiny tribes, Central Asia would become a bunch of khanates – just like now – with no modernization that Soviets brought in, and Far East would be dominated by Japan. Those moderate SDs were good in debates while in Zurich and shit when it came to fighting the civil war and re-establishing the state after the disaster of February Coup.

  29. @Mike Tre
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1466074646240014340?s=20

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Muggles, @res

    There once was a website named Twitter
    Where anti-Whites whined and were bitter
    A bozo name Jack
    While smoking some crack
    Made the new CEO a street shi**er

  30. @Jack D
    @Moses

    The nature of this vaccine (of pretty much any drug or vaccine) is that it tends to get cleared from your bloodstream pretty quickly so that most side effects are seen early on and then they diminish exponentially over time. People (like you) keep talking about mysterious side effects that will somehow manifest themselves months or years or decades later but generally speaking that's not how it tends to work. Maybe this vaccine is unique in that the side effects increase over time rather than diminish like every other vaccine but I doubt it. The nature of these vague objections (which seem to keep changing over time - once you disprove one, there is another - first it was genetic damage , then it was heart inflammation, etc. ) is always such that they can never (or at least not for many years) be disproved because you can't disprove a negative.

    As you admit, the benefits of the vaccine are immediate and real (90+% reductions in hospitalizations and deaths due to Covid) while the risks of these supposed side effects seem to be quite rare and illusory, so they do not persuade me at all. We have now had the largest vaccine "trial" in history with over 4 BILLION people vaccinated. If there were any side effects, even rare ones and ones that begin to creep up later, we would have already seen a large # of early cases over this vast sample. As far as I can tell, this is one of the safest vaccines ever developed.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @HA, @Moses

    As far as I can tell, this is one of the safest vaccines ever developed.

    I do like satire.

  31. In Soviet Union, pronouns choose you.

  32. @PhysicistDave
    @Not Raul

    Not Raul wrote:


    At the very least, Bukharin, and Pletnyov should never have been charged.
     
    Bukharin was one of the least evil of the Bolsheviks. And he actually knew some economics.

    But did he ever speak up against all the mass murders committed from the October Revolution up until his own death?

    Replies: @Not Raul

    Bukharin was one of the least evil of the Bolsheviks. And he actually knew some economics.

    But did he ever speak up against all the mass murders committed from the October Revolution up until his own death?

    I don’t know; but given how dangerous speaking up would be, a vast majority of people would have kept silent.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Not Raul

    Not Raul wrote to me:


    I don’t know; but given how dangerous speaking up would be, a vast majority of people would have kept silent.
     
    It was not that dangerous in the early 1920s, before Stalin took control, to dissent from the Party line. And yet the Bolsheviks had already committed a lot of murders by that time that Bukharin mus have known about.

    If nothing else, Bukharin could have simply left the Party and retired into private life. Or left the country.

    But he didn't. He continued to actively support a murderous regi9me.

    From Bukharin's final letter to his wife:

    "Don't feel malice about anything. Remember that the great cause of the USSR lives on, and this is the most important thing. Personal fates are transitory and wretched by comparison. A great ordeal awaits you. I beg you, my dearest, muster all your strength, tighten all the strings of your heart, but don't allow them to break."
     
    Bukharin deserved to die: that heartfelt passage illustrated his willingness to sacrifice human lives for the sake of the oh-so-important Revolution. It is good that his own life was added to the funeral pyre. The one good thing Stalin did was kill all the Old Bolsheviks.

    If only Stalin had followed up by killing himself.

    Murderers and apologists for murder do deserve to die.

    #ExtraditeBidenToAfghanistan

    Replies: @S, @Not Raul

  33. @The Alarmist
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco


    ... those that refuse to submit.
     
    That should be “those who refuse to submit.”

    After the vaxx die-off we’ll have the numbers and vivid memories of who tried to other us.

    Interestingly, the rush to make boosters a very visible recurring thing might be enough to turn the middle 40%, who are go-along get-along types, away from the 30% who are hard-core Vaxxis and align the middle 40% with the 30% unvaxxed in putting a stop to this reign of terror.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @SunBakedSuburb

    “After the vaxx die-off we’ll have the numbers and vivid memories of who tried to other us.”

    I have the flu vaccine circulating in me; the mRNA immune system destroyer? Nein! I guess that makes me half-vaxx, which fits because I’m known for half-assing everything. Those who resisted the tremendous societal pressure and followed the data regarding the Fauci-Gates vaccine inability to stop infection and transmission thus downgrading the F&G jab to a dangerous therapeutic, need to keep up our situational awareness. The evil regime responsible for this mayhem is still in power and is prepared to burn all of Western civilization down to the ground.

    But let’s be optimistic for saner days ahead. Opportunities on the horizon. One such opportunity is a growing market for spermatozoon from those male members whose testes test negative for the F&G therapeutic. For those like me for whom masturbation is a vocation a Golden Age awaits.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @SunBakedSuburb

    POE.

    Purity of Essence.
    Peace on Earth.

    Hang tough, brother.

  34. @Jack D
    @Moses

    The nature of this vaccine (of pretty much any drug or vaccine) is that it tends to get cleared from your bloodstream pretty quickly so that most side effects are seen early on and then they diminish exponentially over time. People (like you) keep talking about mysterious side effects that will somehow manifest themselves months or years or decades later but generally speaking that's not how it tends to work. Maybe this vaccine is unique in that the side effects increase over time rather than diminish like every other vaccine but I doubt it. The nature of these vague objections (which seem to keep changing over time - once you disprove one, there is another - first it was genetic damage , then it was heart inflammation, etc. ) is always such that they can never (or at least not for many years) be disproved because you can't disprove a negative.

    As you admit, the benefits of the vaccine are immediate and real (90+% reductions in hospitalizations and deaths due to Covid) while the risks of these supposed side effects seem to be quite rare and illusory, so they do not persuade me at all. We have now had the largest vaccine "trial" in history with over 4 BILLION people vaccinated. If there were any side effects, even rare ones and ones that begin to creep up later, we would have already seen a large # of early cases over this vast sample. As far as I can tell, this is one of the safest vaccines ever developed.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @HA, @Moses

    “People (like you) keep talking about mysterious side effects that will somehow manifest themselves months or years or decades later…”

    No, for some strange reason I have yet to understand, the truthers are of the opinion that the massive die-off will happen “in the winter”. Not sure why. Maybe Bill Gates decided to at least give people a few summer months before liquidating them by the billions as part of some sort of 4-d chess move. Maybe the myocarditis is especially treacherous when shoveling snow. Or maybe it’s a Game of Thrones tie-in.

    Eventually, all those snow-shoveling deaths by 11-year-old left-handed male gingers in the UK (as I recall, that’s a cohort that their 100% bias-free cherry-picking has determined is especially hard hit by vaccine complications) will somehow make up for the fact that (if Texas is any guide) the unvaxxed are 40 times more likely to die of COVID. and they’re more likely to die of other causes as well. Evidently, that daredevil “I’m too cool to die from anything that isn’t myocarditis” attitude that leads people to believe that they don’t need a vaccine has its own deadly side-effects.

    • Thanks: Jack D
  35. @Peter Akuleyev
    At first I thought you were referring to the fact that the Georgian language does not distinguish for gender, so the third person pronoun is means "he,"she", or "it".

    Georgians, like Turks or Iranians (who also have no grammatical gender), are clearly very progressive, and their genderless language clearly has influenced the way that women are viewed as absolute equals with the men in Georgia, and Georgian men are famed throughout the ex-USSR for the respectful and enlightened views they hold about women...just like Stalin.

    Replies: @Muggles

    Georgian men are famed throughout the ex-USSR for the respectful and enlightened views they hold about women…just like Stalin.

    In the bios of Stalin I have read, the one person he was afraid of even after becoming dictator was his mother.

    He put her up in a nice house that she complained to him was “too big.” She had a staff but never visited him in Moscow. I think he maybe visited her once.

    Some things never go away.

  36. @Mike Tre
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1466074646240014340?s=20

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Muggles, @res

    There are are Tweeters and Tweetees.

    Then their Tweets are “removed.”

    Ole Elon has quite a sense of humor.

    Of course if you try and steal a Tesla, I hear bad things can happen to you…

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Muggles

    Good 'ol Papa Elon Musk, proof you can go high without selling out... you are spawning a new generation in 3D printing and crypto.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Muggles

    Fortunately for me I don't tweet or tes.

  37. @Muggles
    @Mike Tre

    There are are Tweeters and Tweetees.

    Then their Tweets are "removed."

    Ole Elon has quite a sense of humor.

    Of course if you try and steal a Tesla, I hear bad things can happen to you...

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Mike Tre

    Good ‘ol Papa Elon Musk, proof you can go high without selling out… you are spawning a new generation in 3D printing and crypto.

  38. @Jack D
    @The Alarmist


    Interestingly, the rush to make boosters a very visible recurring thing might be enough to turn the middle 40%, who are go-along get-along types, away from the 30% who are hard-core Vaxxis and align the middle 40% with the 30% unvaxxed in putting a stop to this reign of terror.
     
    Of course if you are an anti-vaxxer then even 1 shot is 1 too many but people in the West have been getting annual flu shots for decades. It doesn't personally bother me in the slightest if I have to get an annual covid booster along with my annual flu shot (maybe they could even be combined, the way the MMR is a combined vaccine against 3 viruses). I suppose there might be some people who would say "I'm ok with 2 or 3 shots, but not more" but I can't imagine it would be all or even most of the middle 40%.

    I do think that the "you have to be [re]vaccinated or else you lose your job" thing is going too far, especially for people whose jobs are not facing the public such that they are going to be spreading the virus. At some point the authorities are going to have to give up and realize that this is now an endemic disease, especially with animal reservoirs and that we are just going to have to live with it from now on so there's no point in lock downs, etc.

    The fact that (at least based on early reports) that Omicron is more contagious but less deadly (which is a common pattern for virus mutations - if you want to be widely successful in the virus market then killing your customers is not a good idea) is a hopeful sign. Hopefully someday Covid-19 will assume its place among the other common cold viruses in its family.

    Replies: @Moses, @I. Racist

    The distinction to be made is that only a tiny fraction of people taking the flu shot are harmed by it. There was a study released before anyone got the jab (subsequently replicated) showing that the spike protein was toxic and damaged the endothelium. Dismissing this problem is like saying you’ve been smoking for twenty years and it hasn’t done you any harm.

    Given that not everyone is equally likely to be severely affected by the virus, one could make some sort of educated guess based on ones own risk factors whether it’s a good idea or not.

  39. @Muggles
    @Mike Tre

    There are are Tweeters and Tweetees.

    Then their Tweets are "removed."

    Ole Elon has quite a sense of humor.

    Of course if you try and steal a Tesla, I hear bad things can happen to you...

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Mike Tre

    Fortunately for me I don’t tweet or tes.

  40. @slumber_j
    The thing about that photo for me is that Yezhov always looks spliced into the first one. So I guess it worked.

    Replies: @Sparkylyle92

    Of course the first is as fake as the second. Most obviously, the exposure of the faces is different, and the angle of the shadow from cap brims is different. This was probably the CIA just having fun.

  41. You could do a Gina Carano version with her suggested personal pronouns.

    “They’re mad cuz I won’t put pronouns in my bio to show my support for trans lives,” replied Carano, who then informed Pagliarulo that their “months of harassing me in every way” had led her to “put 3 VERY controversial words in my bio.. beep/bop/boop.”:

    https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/09/14/the-mandalorian-star-gina-carano-accused-of-transphobia-for-refusal-to-list-pronouns-in-twitter-bio/

  42. @Moses
    @Jack D


    It doesn’t personally bother me in the slightest if I have to get an annual covid booster along with my annual flu shot
     
    Sure getting a shot is no biggie. But getting THIS shot...I dunno. I've got the FUD.

    I'm a bit concerned by the reports of 20- and 30-something footballers dropping dead on the field of heart attacks, anecdotal evidence of increased heart and vascular problem rates and that recent report that the vax seems to increase markers that show 5 year risk of future heart attack (sure the study is not published yet but doesn't need to be to seed doubt.)

    Absent from all the media reports on myocarditis etc is the *mechanism* of causation from the vax. It could be that lots of coronary blood vessel damage is being done under the radar that will accelerate heart disease over years. Some have suggested this but have been shut down immediately.

    And yeah, I did get 2 jabs. I wasn't crazy about it, but after extensive research I reasoned that the clear and present benefit slightly outweighed the unclear and uncertain cost given what I knew at the time.

    The "experts" have been wrong about everything in this pandemic. Every. Single. Thing.

    There is a helluva lot riding on the vaccines selling and not doing damage -- insane amounts of money not to mention careers and political fortunes. If it turned out that the vax was really killing people do you think our betters would come clean, or just cover it up? My money's on the latter.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Jack D, @HA

    “The “experts” have been wrong about everything in this pandemic. Every. Single. Thing.”

    They did a lot better than the alternatives that the truthers relied on, like Knut Wittkowski, who assured us that deaths would top out at 10,000. Or Richard Epstein who revised his initial death toll estimate of 500 to 5,000 because of a “math error”. Ioannidis hasn’t done his career any favors, either. You don’t have to admire Fauci in order to realize these people are even more clueless, which is saying something.

    “If it turned out that the vax was really killing people do you think our betters would come clean,…”

    If Pfizer/Moderna was killing Americans en masse, I’d certainly expect the Chinese and Russians to try and present legitimate science stating such. Since they’re relying on troll farms and Facebook conspiracy memes, I’m less convinced. And if there was a cover-up, the first objective of it would be to shut up people like you. The very fact that you and Whitney and Berenson are allowed to go on living and publishing (with nothing but the occasional Twitter expulsion or so-called “fact-check” to stand in your way), and the VAERS database is allowed to grow, tells me that you and they are either in on the con, or else you’re just loons.

    Same goes with the 911-truthers. If the government was willing to go through all the effort of installing super-unobtanium-grade thermite in the towers, they surely wouldn’t let a bunch of conspiracy nuts spill the beans on it with some Youtube video, unless those conspiracy nuts were paid infiltrators, or exactly the useful dupes that were needed to discredit any such conspiracy.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
  43. @Mike Tre
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1466074646240014340?s=20

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Muggles, @res

    The added splash is a nice touch.

  44. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    Who - the Vaxxed
    Whom- the unvaxxed

    The Unvaxxed are being banned and Blacklisted today because they fail to comply which indicates they may oppose the new woke order. These are the people the establishment fears most, those that refuse to submit.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Peter Akuleyev, @scrivener3

    The one positive, uplifting, wonderful thing about Covid is that it has shut up the collectivists who have pined and agitated for “single payer” health care, or “national health insurance.”

    One used to walk too and fro up and down the Internets and had to read their crap as if it was an unmitigated good that health care be made a collective product, financed collectively and of course delivered by collective will.

    Those who have lamented that the United States is the only civilized country where a poor individual has to pay out of pocket for the necessary life saving care the need for witch was visited on them through no fault of their own.

    Then, about one year ago, it dawned on the feeble intellect of the collectivists:

    He who pays the piper calls the tune.

    Single payer, national health insurance, free (government financed) health care is paid for by government bureaucrats. They decide what you get and under what conditions. Having to pay for your own doctor, the horror! Free health care, bring your 4 year old daughter in for the experimental RNA vaccination, and if you refuse grandpa’s dialysis is hereby cancelled.

    Remember in collectively financed goods there is no way for the majority to express their will, an elite controls the spending. Under individual directed health care, you pay the doctor, the doctor listens to you.

    Think of that when you notice the silence on national health care or single payer.

  45. @Jack D
    @Moses

    The nature of this vaccine (of pretty much any drug or vaccine) is that it tends to get cleared from your bloodstream pretty quickly so that most side effects are seen early on and then they diminish exponentially over time. People (like you) keep talking about mysterious side effects that will somehow manifest themselves months or years or decades later but generally speaking that's not how it tends to work. Maybe this vaccine is unique in that the side effects increase over time rather than diminish like every other vaccine but I doubt it. The nature of these vague objections (which seem to keep changing over time - once you disprove one, there is another - first it was genetic damage , then it was heart inflammation, etc. ) is always such that they can never (or at least not for many years) be disproved because you can't disprove a negative.

    As you admit, the benefits of the vaccine are immediate and real (90+% reductions in hospitalizations and deaths due to Covid) while the risks of these supposed side effects seem to be quite rare and illusory, so they do not persuade me at all. We have now had the largest vaccine "trial" in history with over 4 BILLION people vaccinated. If there were any side effects, even rare ones and ones that begin to creep up later, we would have already seen a large # of early cases over this vast sample. As far as I can tell, this is one of the safest vaccines ever developed.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @HA, @Moses

    Hi Jack – The issues you raise are all beside my points. You are rebutting your own imagination. To wit:

    The nature of this vaccine (of pretty much any drug or vaccine) is that it tends to get cleared from your bloodstream pretty quickly so that most side effects are seen early on and then they diminish exponentially over time.

    I think you mean “the spike proteins the vax instructs your cells to make get cleared pretty quickly.”

    This may be true, although I’ve been unable to find any data on the half-life of the spike protein. Anyway it’s irrelevant. The hypothesis is the spike protein may damage the heart muscle and/or coronary arteries.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

    Something is causing myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining of the heart) after vax. My understanding is the vax floods your body with more spike protein than Wuflu does, although I may have got that wrong. “Science” suggests the culprit may be the spike protein.

    If the spike protein is behind this heart damage, it seems unlikely that the damage occurs only in footballers dropping to the ground clutching their chests. The same damage mechanism may be operating at a lower, undetected level in others and has “aged” their hearts considerably through damage to the heart muscle and/or coronary vessels.

    Maybe this vaccine is unique in that the side effects increase over time rather than diminish like every other vaccine but I doubt it…

    As you admit, the benefits of the vaccine are immediate and real (90+% reductions in hospitalizations and deaths due to Covid) while the risks of these supposed side effects seem to be quite rare and illusory, so they do not persuade me at all.

    See above.

    We have now had the largest vaccine “trial” in history with over 4 BILLION people vaccinated. If there were any side effects, even rare ones and ones that begin to creep up later, we would have already seen a large # of early cases over this vast sample. As far as I can tell, this is one of the safest vaccines ever developed.

    Oh dear. You are so certain. Because “Science” I suppose. I do no think that word means what you think it means lol.

    Hundreds of millions of people smoked for decades before dangers of smoking became clear and accepted by medical establishment. Doctors used to tell anxious patients to start smoking to calm their nerves for Pete’s sake. Heck, until recently doctors prescribed Oxycontin to “help” their patients.

    If the vax spike protein is damaging hearts and if people are dying even now, it will not be clear that it’s due to the vax for some time even with a smoking gun study. The deaths will be chalked up to another cause.

    If the vax is aging hearts prematurely, only carefully constructed studies are gonna catch that.

    Look — I’m not claiming the vax is a secret death weapon. That is silly caricature on both sides.

    I’m making the narrow claim that empirical evidence shows something happening here that warrants further investigation. Until “Science” (true “Science” in terms of hypothesis and test, not “Believe us because we say so” science) provides more evidence here, I will remain skeptical of the vax. In my view there is real risk. You may have a different opinion, which is fine. Take the vax every 6 months if you like.

    Heart disease runs in my family. Still undecided about the 3rd shot given what I know now. That could change with further evidence one way or another.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Moses

    I had virtually the identical discussion with someone here a while ago - he claimed not to be an anti-vaxxer but he was afraid that the vaccine would damage his DNA or ability to have children or something. Tomorrow someone might posit that the vaccine gives you brain tumors.

    I get that there is fear of the unknown but these mysterious mechanisms that you are talking about just don't exist. The vaccines have been put thru all sorts of animal trials and human trials and so on. There is no such thing as a heart inflammation that OTOH is undetectable but on the other hand takes years off your life later on.

    There is never going to be enough proof to satisfy people like you, at least not for decades, because you can't disprove a negative. Maybe this secret life shortening/ DNA damaging mechanism not only doesn't appear right away, it doesn't appear in 5 years or in 10 years. Maybe you have to wait 10 or 20 or 50 years for its nefarious effects to manifest themselves? How will we know unless we wait 50 years, right?

    This is not to say that the vaccines are risk free but the risk has to be balanced against the very clear and large (for older people especially) risk that the virus will kill you in the short run. You won't have to worry about future heart damage if you die from Covid 6 months from now because you didn't get your booster. Not getting the booster is especially silly . You already have this "poison" in your system. In for a dime, in for a dollar.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Moses

  46. @obwandiyag
    As if Americans don't get disappeared.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

    Absolutely.

    Still, it’s endless fun pointing out how “Soviet” America has become to people, especially people who came from the USSR or former Warsaw Pact.

    Even though America’s sordid history is long, unique and impressively bad on its own terms, the imagery of the “Evil Empire” is quite powerful to use here, especially amongst a milieu who either

    1. Are slowly recognizing the inherent issues of their own system, but formerly only thought in terms of evil socialists.
    2. Are hilarious cultists worshiping a bastard variant of Marxism

  47. @Not Raul
    @PhysicistDave


    Bukharin was one of the least evil of the Bolsheviks. And he actually knew some economics.

    But did he ever speak up against all the mass murders committed from the October Revolution up until his own death?
     
    I don’t know; but given how dangerous speaking up would be, a vast majority of people would have kept silent.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Not Raul wrote to me:

    I don’t know; but given how dangerous speaking up would be, a vast majority of people would have kept silent.

    It was not that dangerous in the early 1920s, before Stalin took control, to dissent from the Party line. And yet the Bolsheviks had already committed a lot of murders by that time that Bukharin mus have known about.

    If nothing else, Bukharin could have simply left the Party and retired into private life. Or left the country.

    But he didn’t. He continued to actively support a murderous regi9me.

    From Bukharin’s final letter to his wife:

    “Don’t feel malice about anything. Remember that the great cause of the USSR lives on, and this is the most important thing. Personal fates are transitory and wretched by comparison. A great ordeal awaits you. I beg you, my dearest, muster all your strength, tighten all the strings of your heart, but don’t allow them to break.”

    Bukharin deserved to die: that heartfelt passage illustrated his willingness to sacrifice human lives for the sake of the oh-so-important Revolution. It is good that his own life was added to the funeral pyre. The one good thing Stalin did was kill all the Old Bolsheviks.

    If only Stalin had followed up by killing himself.

    Murderers and apologists for murder do deserve to die.

    #ExtraditeBidenToAfghanistan

    • Agree: Liza
    • Replies: @S
    @PhysicistDave


    If nothing else, Bukharin could have simply left the Party and retired into private life. Or left the country.
     
    IIRC, after Bukharin was arrested, he expressed the seemingly bizarre small hope to his Soviet jailers that he simply be allowed to go retire in the United States ('go fishing in Montana' or somesuch) and that Stalin should simply forget that he ever existed.

    Too late.
    , @Not Raul
    @PhysicistDave


    It was not that dangerous in the early 1920s, before Stalin took control, to dissent from the Party line. And yet the Bolsheviks had already committed a lot of murders by that time that Bukharin mus have known about.

    If nothing else, Bukharin could have simply left the Party and retired into private life. Or left the country.

    But he didn’t. He continued to actively support a murderous regi9me.
     
    Lots of regimes have committed murder.

    Merely supporting them in some fashion doesn’t automatically make one a murderer.

    Have you heard of Wounded Knee?

    #ExtraditeBidenToAfghanistan
     
    On what charge? Bad optics?

    Do you think that we should still be in Afghanistan? How was leaving a bigger crime than staying for so long?

    Trump was right when he decided that the US would pull out of Afghanistan. It’s too bad that he was too much of a coward to pull out earlier, when he was still President.

    If Trump had some brilliant plan to pull out without bad optics, he should have done it. He didn’t.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  48. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    they may oppose the new woke order

    So will the American right now turn against Orbán, since Hungary introduced vaccination mandates in the work place a month ago? Who knew that Viktor Orbán was woke. Putin is getting close to becoming woke as well.

    Otoh, German leftists like Wagenknecht are apparently not woke. Funny world we live in these days.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Peter Akuleyev asked:

    So will the American right now turn against Orbán, since Hungary introduced vaccination mandates in the work place a month ago? Who knew that Viktor Orbán was woke. Putin is getting close to becoming woke as well.

    Ah, Peter! No sensible person ever thought that either Orbán or Putin was a saint.

    But some of us have felt impelled to point out that they are not Satan, either.

    Peter also wrote:

    Funny world we live in these days.

    It’s always been a funny world. Stalin fought Hitler, but they both murdered millions. Japan attacked Pearl, and so FDR and Truman murdered millions of innocents in retaliation.

    “Funny” is one word for it.

    As Lord Acton said:

    Great men are almost always bad men…

    And as the dean of world history studies, William H. McNeill, pointed out, government is “macroparasitism,” the means by which some people manage to live by openly stealing from the productive members of society.

    As the saying goes:

    Governments do in broad daylight what ordinary criminals do under cover of darkness.

    • Agree: Bumpkin
  49. @SunBakedSuburb
    @The Alarmist

    "After the vaxx die-off we'll have the numbers and vivid memories of who tried to other us."

    I have the flu vaccine circulating in me; the mRNA immune system destroyer? Nein! I guess that makes me half-vaxx, which fits because I'm known for half-assing everything. Those who resisted the tremendous societal pressure and followed the data regarding the Fauci-Gates vaccine inability to stop infection and transmission thus downgrading the F&G jab to a dangerous therapeutic, need to keep up our situational awareness. The evil regime responsible for this mayhem is still in power and is prepared to burn all of Western civilization down to the ground.

    But let's be optimistic for saner days ahead. Opportunities on the horizon. One such opportunity is a growing market for spermatozoon from those male members whose testes test negative for the F&G therapeutic. For those like me for whom masturbation is a vocation a Golden Age awaits.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    POE.

    Purity of Essence.
    Peace on Earth.

    Hang tough, brother.

  50. The point is that these types of mass murderers got off the historical hook easily.

    And it all boils down to the cultural climate of the West, which can be summed up thus: racial-ethnic democide (Hitler) is something fundamentally worse than class-ideological democide (Stalin, Pol Pot).

    Personally, I disagree with this, but that’s how legal procedures, school system, general cultural climate … work. At least now.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Bardon, I think you're on to something.

    I tried to imagine myself on a jury hearing a murder defendant saying in mitigation of his killing Mr. Billionaire that "all rich people are bad".

    Then I tried to imagine myself on a jury hearing a murder defendant saying in mitigation of his killing Mr. African-American that "all American Blacks are bad".

    Both mitigation statements are garbage, of course, but--God help me--I can imagine myself for a micro-second being slightly more sympathetic to the idea that "all rich people are bad".

    If my memory's okay, Stalin and company in their heyday got a pass on their atrocities from many Western observers because Comrade Joe was fighting for downtrodden workingmen, and those Western observers could easily see and feel sympathy for downtrodden workingmen in Liverpool, Cleveland, Paris, and Madrid.

    It was difficult, if not impossible, to see a downtrodden German under the yoke of Versailles in those same places.

  51. @Bardon Kaldian
    The point is that these types of mass murderers got off the historical hook easily.

    And it all boils down to the cultural climate of the West, which can be summed up thus: racial-ethnic democide (Hitler) is something fundamentally worse than class-ideological democide (Stalin, Pol Pot).

    Personally, I disagree with this, but that's how legal procedures, school system, general cultural climate ... work. At least now.

    Replies: @JackOH

    Bardon, I think you’re on to something.

    I tried to imagine myself on a jury hearing a murder defendant saying in mitigation of his killing Mr. Billionaire that “all rich people are bad”.

    Then I tried to imagine myself on a jury hearing a murder defendant saying in mitigation of his killing Mr. African-American that “all American Blacks are bad”.

    Both mitigation statements are garbage, of course, but–God help me–I can imagine myself for a micro-second being slightly more sympathetic to the idea that “all rich people are bad”.

    If my memory’s okay, Stalin and company in their heyday got a pass on their atrocities from many Western observers because Comrade Joe was fighting for downtrodden workingmen, and those Western observers could easily see and feel sympathy for downtrodden workingmen in Liverpool, Cleveland, Paris, and Madrid.

    It was difficult, if not impossible, to see a downtrodden German under the yoke of Versailles in those same places.

  52. @Hangnail Hans
    @Moses


    The “experts” have been wrong about everything in this pandemic. Every. Single. Thing.
     
    Whoa, that's almost anti-semitic.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Fauci is Jewish? Who knew?

  53. @Moses
    @Jack D

    Hi Jack - The issues you raise are all beside my points. You are rebutting your own imagination. To wit:


    The nature of this vaccine (of pretty much any drug or vaccine) is that it tends to get cleared from your bloodstream pretty quickly so that most side effects are seen early on and then they diminish exponentially over time.
     
    I think you mean "the spike proteins the vax instructs your cells to make get cleared pretty quickly."

    This may be true, although I've been unable to find any data on the half-life of the spike protein. Anyway it's irrelevant. The hypothesis is the spike protein may damage the heart muscle and/or coronary arteries.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

    Something is causing myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining of the heart) after vax. My understanding is the vax floods your body with more spike protein than Wuflu does, although I may have got that wrong. "Science" suggests the culprit may be the spike protein.

    If the spike protein is behind this heart damage, it seems unlikely that the damage occurs only in footballers dropping to the ground clutching their chests. The same damage mechanism may be operating at a lower, undetected level in others and has "aged" their hearts considerably through damage to the heart muscle and/or coronary vessels.


    Maybe this vaccine is unique in that the side effects increase over time rather than diminish like every other vaccine but I doubt it...

    As you admit, the benefits of the vaccine are immediate and real (90+% reductions in hospitalizations and deaths due to Covid) while the risks of these supposed side effects seem to be quite rare and illusory, so they do not persuade me at all.
     

    See above.

    We have now had the largest vaccine “trial” in history with over 4 BILLION people vaccinated. If there were any side effects, even rare ones and ones that begin to creep up later, we would have already seen a large # of early cases over this vast sample. As far as I can tell, this is one of the safest vaccines ever developed.
     
    Oh dear. You are so certain. Because "Science" I suppose. I do no think that word means what you think it means lol.

    Hundreds of millions of people smoked for decades before dangers of smoking became clear and accepted by medical establishment. Doctors used to tell anxious patients to start smoking to calm their nerves for Pete's sake. Heck, until recently doctors prescribed Oxycontin to "help" their patients.

    If the vax spike protein is damaging hearts and if people are dying even now, it will not be clear that it's due to the vax for some time even with a smoking gun study. The deaths will be chalked up to another cause.

    If the vax is aging hearts prematurely, only carefully constructed studies are gonna catch that.

    Look -- I'm not claiming the vax is a secret death weapon. That is silly caricature on both sides.

    I'm making the narrow claim that empirical evidence shows something happening here that warrants further investigation. Until "Science" (true "Science" in terms of hypothesis and test, not "Believe us because we say so" science) provides more evidence here, I will remain skeptical of the vax. In my view there is real risk. You may have a different opinion, which is fine. Take the vax every 6 months if you like.

    Heart disease runs in my family. Still undecided about the 3rd shot given what I know now. That could change with further evidence one way or another.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I had virtually the identical discussion with someone here a while ago – he claimed not to be an anti-vaxxer but he was afraid that the vaccine would damage his DNA or ability to have children or something. Tomorrow someone might posit that the vaccine gives you brain tumors.

    I get that there is fear of the unknown but these mysterious mechanisms that you are talking about just don’t exist. The vaccines have been put thru all sorts of animal trials and human trials and so on. There is no such thing as a heart inflammation that OTOH is undetectable but on the other hand takes years off your life later on.

    There is never going to be enough proof to satisfy people like you, at least not for decades, because you can’t disprove a negative. Maybe this secret life shortening/ DNA damaging mechanism not only doesn’t appear right away, it doesn’t appear in 5 years or in 10 years. Maybe you have to wait 10 or 20 or 50 years for its nefarious effects to manifest themselves? How will we know unless we wait 50 years, right?

    This is not to say that the vaccines are risk free but the risk has to be balanced against the very clear and large (for older people especially) risk that the virus will kill you in the short run. You won’t have to worry about future heart damage if you die from Covid 6 months from now because you didn’t get your booster. Not getting the booster is especially silly . You already have this “poison” in your system. In for a dime, in for a dollar.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    Quite so.

    Every medication known to man has some side effects, for example I am sure that some people don't want to take statins to lower cholesterol for various reasons, or don't want to take metformin for blood sugar because it gives them a metallic taste in the mouth, or don't want to take Tylenol for a headache, because they cannot swallow pills.

    These days, there are millions of people who claim that being obese is perfectly healthy, that choosing your sex is an individual choice, or that having homosexual orgies with strangers in bathhouses is perfectly normal and acceptable--isn't that what the Romans did?. (Never mind that being an obese woman means you are likely to suffer from gestational diabetes, which may harm the health of your unborn child.)

    As they say in my native Yorkshire, "there's nowt so queer as folk" (which means 'there is nothing as strange as people').

    What the internet has done is give a voice to every possible eccentricity and looney-tune so that there is hardly ever a consensus on anything, unless possibly you are a Muslim and subject to a high level of group approval on pain of stoning to death.

    Everything is a question of risk-reward, but it is not a bad idea to consider what is best for your family, for your community, for your nation, and so on.

    As John F. Kennedy once said, in a speech, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

    As John M. Keynes said, "In the long run, we are all dead."

    What will history show? Will the radio six, the half dozen "right-wing" radio commentators who have died of Covid-19 after refusing vaccines be seen as martyrs who gave their lives for their beliefs? I don't think so, but who knows what the children of today will believe in when they are middle-aged?

    , @Moses
    @Jack D


    I had virtually the identical discussion with someone here a while ago – he claimed not to be an anti-vaxxer but he was afraid that the vaccine would damage his DNA or ability to have children or something. Tomorrow someone might posit that the vaccine gives you brain tumors.

     

    Yeah, ok. "Virtually identical discussion" except for the fact I made none of those claims lol.

    I get that there is fear of the unknown but these mysterious mechanisms that you are talking about just don’t exist. The vaccines have been put thru all sorts of animal trials and human trials and so on. There is no such thing as a heart inflammation that OTOH is undetectable but on the other hand takes years off your life later on.

     

    Something is causing myocarditis and pericarditis after vax. The most obvious suspect is the spike protein the vax prompts your cells to make.

    You seem uncurious about the mechanism involved that begins with free spike proteins and ends with myocarditis and pericarditis. I am intensely interested in understanding it before I put another dose in my body.


    There is never going to be enough proof to satisfy people like you, at least not for decades, because you can’t disprove a negative. Maybe this secret life shortening/ DNA damaging mechanism not only doesn’t appear right away, it doesn’t appear in 5 years or in 10 years.

     

    I'm not interested in disproving a negative. I'm interested in understanding more clearly the precise connection between heart issues and the spike protein. Then I can make a more informed choice.

    I shared my concerns with my kids' Israeli pediatrician a few weeks ago. I was surprised to learn she felt exactly the same as me. She took the vax reluctantly because she judged the immediate benefits probably outweighed the unknown, longer term costs (if any). But she was adamant about not vaxing her early teen sons.

    Replies: @Moses

  54. @Jack D
    @Moses

    I had virtually the identical discussion with someone here a while ago - he claimed not to be an anti-vaxxer but he was afraid that the vaccine would damage his DNA or ability to have children or something. Tomorrow someone might posit that the vaccine gives you brain tumors.

    I get that there is fear of the unknown but these mysterious mechanisms that you are talking about just don't exist. The vaccines have been put thru all sorts of animal trials and human trials and so on. There is no such thing as a heart inflammation that OTOH is undetectable but on the other hand takes years off your life later on.

    There is never going to be enough proof to satisfy people like you, at least not for decades, because you can't disprove a negative. Maybe this secret life shortening/ DNA damaging mechanism not only doesn't appear right away, it doesn't appear in 5 years or in 10 years. Maybe you have to wait 10 or 20 or 50 years for its nefarious effects to manifest themselves? How will we know unless we wait 50 years, right?

    This is not to say that the vaccines are risk free but the risk has to be balanced against the very clear and large (for older people especially) risk that the virus will kill you in the short run. You won't have to worry about future heart damage if you die from Covid 6 months from now because you didn't get your booster. Not getting the booster is especially silly . You already have this "poison" in your system. In for a dime, in for a dollar.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Moses

    Quite so.

    Every medication known to man has some side effects, for example I am sure that some people don’t want to take statins to lower cholesterol for various reasons, or don’t want to take metformin for blood sugar because it gives them a metallic taste in the mouth, or don’t want to take Tylenol for a headache, because they cannot swallow pills.

    These days, there are millions of people who claim that being obese is perfectly healthy, that choosing your sex is an individual choice, or that having homosexual orgies with strangers in bathhouses is perfectly normal and acceptable–isn’t that what the Romans did?. (Never mind that being an obese woman means you are likely to suffer from gestational diabetes, which may harm the health of your unborn child.)

    As they say in my native Yorkshire, “there’s nowt so queer as folk” (which means ‘there is nothing as strange as people’).

    What the internet has done is give a voice to every possible eccentricity and looney-tune so that there is hardly ever a consensus on anything, unless possibly you are a Muslim and subject to a high level of group approval on pain of stoning to death.

    Everything is a question of risk-reward, but it is not a bad idea to consider what is best for your family, for your community, for your nation, and so on.

    As John F. Kennedy once said, in a speech, “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.”

    As John M. Keynes said, “In the long run, we are all dead.”

    What will history show? Will the radio six, the half dozen “right-wing” radio commentators who have died of Covid-19 after refusing vaccines be seen as martyrs who gave their lives for their beliefs? I don’t think so, but who knows what the children of today will believe in when they are middle-aged?

  55. @PhysicistDave
    @Not Raul

    Not Raul wrote to me:


    I don’t know; but given how dangerous speaking up would be, a vast majority of people would have kept silent.
     
    It was not that dangerous in the early 1920s, before Stalin took control, to dissent from the Party line. And yet the Bolsheviks had already committed a lot of murders by that time that Bukharin mus have known about.

    If nothing else, Bukharin could have simply left the Party and retired into private life. Or left the country.

    But he didn't. He continued to actively support a murderous regi9me.

    From Bukharin's final letter to his wife:

    "Don't feel malice about anything. Remember that the great cause of the USSR lives on, and this is the most important thing. Personal fates are transitory and wretched by comparison. A great ordeal awaits you. I beg you, my dearest, muster all your strength, tighten all the strings of your heart, but don't allow them to break."
     
    Bukharin deserved to die: that heartfelt passage illustrated his willingness to sacrifice human lives for the sake of the oh-so-important Revolution. It is good that his own life was added to the funeral pyre. The one good thing Stalin did was kill all the Old Bolsheviks.

    If only Stalin had followed up by killing himself.

    Murderers and apologists for murder do deserve to die.

    #ExtraditeBidenToAfghanistan

    Replies: @S, @Not Raul

    If nothing else, Bukharin could have simply left the Party and retired into private life. Or left the country.

    IIRC, after Bukharin was arrested, he expressed the seemingly bizarre small hope to his Soviet jailers that he simply be allowed to go retire in the United States (‘go fishing in Montana’ or somesuch) and that Stalin should simply forget that he ever existed.

    Too late.

  56. Will the radio six, the half dozen “right-wing” radio commentators who have died of Covid-19 after refusing vaccines be seen as martyrs who gave their lives for their beliefs?

    “COVID” is not caused by lack of vaccination. I am not vaccinated. If I should get very sick with this cluster of symptoms called Acute Respiratory Syndrome, Corona Version, I will not blame someone for having gotten too close to me and breathed in my face. I will not blame anyone or anything but myself, for not having looked after my own health. I know that my family will not blame my illness and/or death on not receiving this useless, vain, stupid poison.

  57. @PhysicistDave
    @Not Raul

    Not Raul wrote to me:


    I don’t know; but given how dangerous speaking up would be, a vast majority of people would have kept silent.
     
    It was not that dangerous in the early 1920s, before Stalin took control, to dissent from the Party line. And yet the Bolsheviks had already committed a lot of murders by that time that Bukharin mus have known about.

    If nothing else, Bukharin could have simply left the Party and retired into private life. Or left the country.

    But he didn't. He continued to actively support a murderous regi9me.

    From Bukharin's final letter to his wife:

    "Don't feel malice about anything. Remember that the great cause of the USSR lives on, and this is the most important thing. Personal fates are transitory and wretched by comparison. A great ordeal awaits you. I beg you, my dearest, muster all your strength, tighten all the strings of your heart, but don't allow them to break."
     
    Bukharin deserved to die: that heartfelt passage illustrated his willingness to sacrifice human lives for the sake of the oh-so-important Revolution. It is good that his own life was added to the funeral pyre. The one good thing Stalin did was kill all the Old Bolsheviks.

    If only Stalin had followed up by killing himself.

    Murderers and apologists for murder do deserve to die.

    #ExtraditeBidenToAfghanistan

    Replies: @S, @Not Raul

    It was not that dangerous in the early 1920s, before Stalin took control, to dissent from the Party line. And yet the Bolsheviks had already committed a lot of murders by that time that Bukharin mus have known about.

    If nothing else, Bukharin could have simply left the Party and retired into private life. Or left the country.

    But he didn’t. He continued to actively support a murderous regi9me.

    Lots of regimes have committed murder.

    Merely supporting them in some fashion doesn’t automatically make one a murderer.

    Have you heard of Wounded Knee?

    #ExtraditeBidenToAfghanistan

    On what charge? Bad optics?

    Do you think that we should still be in Afghanistan? How was leaving a bigger crime than staying for so long?

    Trump was right when he decided that the US would pull out of Afghanistan. It’s too bad that he was too much of a coward to pull out earlier, when he was still President.

    If Trump had some brilliant plan to pull out without bad optics, he should have done it. He didn’t.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Not Raul

    Not Raul wrote to me:



    [Dave] #ExtraditeBidenToAfghanistan

    [NR] On what charge? Bad optics?
     
    Murder.

    You haven't heard about the drone strike that Senile Joe ordered that killed ten innocent civilians?

    If you or I had done that, they would put us on trial for murder.

    Call me eccentric, but I have never been able to grasp why an agent of the state should be held any less guilty than a private citizen who carries out the same act.

    Yes, I know, that would result in a radical change in our concept of government.

    A change called "justice."

    #ExtraditeBidenToAfghanistan

    Replies: @Not Raul

  58. @Jack D
    @Moses

    I had virtually the identical discussion with someone here a while ago - he claimed not to be an anti-vaxxer but he was afraid that the vaccine would damage his DNA or ability to have children or something. Tomorrow someone might posit that the vaccine gives you brain tumors.

    I get that there is fear of the unknown but these mysterious mechanisms that you are talking about just don't exist. The vaccines have been put thru all sorts of animal trials and human trials and so on. There is no such thing as a heart inflammation that OTOH is undetectable but on the other hand takes years off your life later on.

    There is never going to be enough proof to satisfy people like you, at least not for decades, because you can't disprove a negative. Maybe this secret life shortening/ DNA damaging mechanism not only doesn't appear right away, it doesn't appear in 5 years or in 10 years. Maybe you have to wait 10 or 20 or 50 years for its nefarious effects to manifest themselves? How will we know unless we wait 50 years, right?

    This is not to say that the vaccines are risk free but the risk has to be balanced against the very clear and large (for older people especially) risk that the virus will kill you in the short run. You won't have to worry about future heart damage if you die from Covid 6 months from now because you didn't get your booster. Not getting the booster is especially silly . You already have this "poison" in your system. In for a dime, in for a dollar.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Moses

    I had virtually the identical discussion with someone here a while ago – he claimed not to be an anti-vaxxer but he was afraid that the vaccine would damage his DNA or ability to have children or something. Tomorrow someone might posit that the vaccine gives you brain tumors.

    Yeah, ok. “Virtually identical discussion” except for the fact I made none of those claims lol.

    I get that there is fear of the unknown but these mysterious mechanisms that you are talking about just don’t exist. The vaccines have been put thru all sorts of animal trials and human trials and so on. There is no such thing as a heart inflammation that OTOH is undetectable but on the other hand takes years off your life later on.

    Something is causing myocarditis and pericarditis after vax. The most obvious suspect is the spike protein the vax prompts your cells to make.

    You seem uncurious about the mechanism involved that begins with free spike proteins and ends with myocarditis and pericarditis. I am intensely interested in understanding it before I put another dose in my body.

    There is never going to be enough proof to satisfy people like you, at least not for decades, because you can’t disprove a negative. Maybe this secret life shortening/ DNA damaging mechanism not only doesn’t appear right away, it doesn’t appear in 5 years or in 10 years.

    I’m not interested in disproving a negative. I’m interested in understanding more clearly the precise connection between heart issues and the spike protein. Then I can make a more informed choice.

    I shared my concerns with my kids’ Israeli pediatrician a few weeks ago. I was surprised to learn she felt exactly the same as me. She took the vax reluctantly because she judged the immediate benefits probably outweighed the unknown, longer term costs (if any). But she was adamant about not vaxing her early teen sons.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Moses

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBGl8MVE-c

  59. @Moses
    @Jack D


    I had virtually the identical discussion with someone here a while ago – he claimed not to be an anti-vaxxer but he was afraid that the vaccine would damage his DNA or ability to have children or something. Tomorrow someone might posit that the vaccine gives you brain tumors.

     

    Yeah, ok. "Virtually identical discussion" except for the fact I made none of those claims lol.

    I get that there is fear of the unknown but these mysterious mechanisms that you are talking about just don’t exist. The vaccines have been put thru all sorts of animal trials and human trials and so on. There is no such thing as a heart inflammation that OTOH is undetectable but on the other hand takes years off your life later on.

     

    Something is causing myocarditis and pericarditis after vax. The most obvious suspect is the spike protein the vax prompts your cells to make.

    You seem uncurious about the mechanism involved that begins with free spike proteins and ends with myocarditis and pericarditis. I am intensely interested in understanding it before I put another dose in my body.


    There is never going to be enough proof to satisfy people like you, at least not for decades, because you can’t disprove a negative. Maybe this secret life shortening/ DNA damaging mechanism not only doesn’t appear right away, it doesn’t appear in 5 years or in 10 years.

     

    I'm not interested in disproving a negative. I'm interested in understanding more clearly the precise connection between heart issues and the spike protein. Then I can make a more informed choice.

    I shared my concerns with my kids' Israeli pediatrician a few weeks ago. I was surprised to learn she felt exactly the same as me. She took the vax reluctantly because she judged the immediate benefits probably outweighed the unknown, longer term costs (if any). But she was adamant about not vaxing her early teen sons.

    Replies: @Moses

  60. @Not Raul
    @PhysicistDave


    It was not that dangerous in the early 1920s, before Stalin took control, to dissent from the Party line. And yet the Bolsheviks had already committed a lot of murders by that time that Bukharin mus have known about.

    If nothing else, Bukharin could have simply left the Party and retired into private life. Or left the country.

    But he didn’t. He continued to actively support a murderous regi9me.
     
    Lots of regimes have committed murder.

    Merely supporting them in some fashion doesn’t automatically make one a murderer.

    Have you heard of Wounded Knee?

    #ExtraditeBidenToAfghanistan
     
    On what charge? Bad optics?

    Do you think that we should still be in Afghanistan? How was leaving a bigger crime than staying for so long?

    Trump was right when he decided that the US would pull out of Afghanistan. It’s too bad that he was too much of a coward to pull out earlier, when he was still President.

    If Trump had some brilliant plan to pull out without bad optics, he should have done it. He didn’t.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Not Raul wrote to me:

    [Dave] #ExtraditeBidenToAfghanistan

    [NR] On what charge? Bad optics?

    Murder.

    You haven’t heard about the drone strike that Senile Joe ordered that killed ten innocent civilians?

    If you or I had done that, they would put us on trial for murder.

    Call me eccentric, but I have never been able to grasp why an agent of the state should be held any less guilty than a private citizen who carries out the same act.

    Yes, I know, that would result in a radical change in our concept of government.

    A change called “justice.”

    #ExtraditeBidenToAfghanistan

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @PhysicistDave


    Murder.

    You haven’t heard about the drone strike that Senile Joe ordered that killed ten innocent civilians?

    If you or I had done that, they would put us on trial for murder.
     
    If you put Biden in jail for murder over a drone strike, you’d have to put Trump, and Obama, in jail, too.

    The drone strike was horrible, and there should be consequences; but if the President was personally on the hook every time someone in the military made a ghastly mistake, we’d run out of Presidents pretty quickly.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  61. @PhysicistDave
    @Not Raul

    Not Raul wrote to me:



    [Dave] #ExtraditeBidenToAfghanistan

    [NR] On what charge? Bad optics?
     
    Murder.

    You haven't heard about the drone strike that Senile Joe ordered that killed ten innocent civilians?

    If you or I had done that, they would put us on trial for murder.

    Call me eccentric, but I have never been able to grasp why an agent of the state should be held any less guilty than a private citizen who carries out the same act.

    Yes, I know, that would result in a radical change in our concept of government.

    A change called "justice."

    #ExtraditeBidenToAfghanistan

    Replies: @Not Raul

    Murder.

    You haven’t heard about the drone strike that Senile Joe ordered that killed ten innocent civilians?

    If you or I had done that, they would put us on trial for murder.

    If you put Biden in jail for murder over a drone strike, you’d have to put Trump, and Obama, in jail, too.

    The drone strike was horrible, and there should be consequences; but if the President was personally on the hook every time someone in the military made a ghastly mistake, we’d run out of Presidents pretty quickly.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Not Raul

    Not Raul wrote to me:


    The drone strike was horrible, and there should be consequences; but if the President was personally on the hook every time someone in the military made a ghastly mistake, we’d run out of Presidents pretty quickly.
     
    Good. Let's do it.

    I do not think Presidents are a good thing, at least not if they are not held to the same standards of criminal prosecution as everyone else.

  62. @Not Raul
    @PhysicistDave


    Murder.

    You haven’t heard about the drone strike that Senile Joe ordered that killed ten innocent civilians?

    If you or I had done that, they would put us on trial for murder.
     
    If you put Biden in jail for murder over a drone strike, you’d have to put Trump, and Obama, in jail, too.

    The drone strike was horrible, and there should be consequences; but if the President was personally on the hook every time someone in the military made a ghastly mistake, we’d run out of Presidents pretty quickly.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Not Raul wrote to me:

    The drone strike was horrible, and there should be consequences; but if the President was personally on the hook every time someone in the military made a ghastly mistake, we’d run out of Presidents pretty quickly.

    Good. Let’s do it.

    I do not think Presidents are a good thing, at least not if they are not held to the same standards of criminal prosecution as everyone else.

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