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Ferguson, Missouri, an inner suburb of St. Louis, had the misfortune of being the birthplace of the Black Lives Matter movement in August 2014, and thus St. Louis was also the birthplace of the Ferguson Effect. St. Louis was catapulted into the national lead for highest murder rate from 2014 through 2019.

Unlike its main rival for the title of Murder Capital of America, Baltimore, where killings were stable this year, St. Louis was hit with a second Ferguson Effect in 2020 due to the revival of Black Lives Matter by the media. From the St. Louis Post-Dispatch:

ST. LOUIS — On the last day of 2020, St. Louis leaders read 262 names aloud from a church podium — each name representing a person killed in the city over the previous 12 months. Their deaths brought the city’s homicide rate to a level 30% higher than any of the past 50 years, records show. …

Three years ago I wrote in Taki’s Magazine:

The impact of the Ferguson Effect is statistically vivid in Ferguson’s neighbor St. Louis, where the number of homicides ranged from 113 to 120 from 2011 to 2013. Then in 2014, when the Obama administration and the prestige press took the side of anti-police rioters in promoting the Michael Brown fake news, homicides jumped to 159. Killings numbered 188 the next two years, and in 2017 had reached 205 by Dec. 29.

So now, 2020 murders are up 262 in St. Louis (with New Year’s Eve gunplay yet to be tallied) compared to 113-120 before Black Lives Matter. Back to the Post-Dispatch:

St. Louis’ homicide rate hit 87 murders per 100,000 residents in 2020,

So, at this rate, if you set out to live 75 years of your life in St. Louis, you’d have a 6.5% chance of being murdered? I’m not sure that’s exactly how the statistics work (does anybody have a better way of calculating?), but it’s still an eye-opening figure.

the highest on record since 1970. The figure exceeds the previous top rate of 69 set in 1993, when the growing number of killings made headlines in local and national news.

That year registered the most total homicides in the city — at 267 — but St. Louis has about 87,000 fewer residents now. …

City leaders and criminologists said the economic, civic and interpersonal stress the coronavirus pandemic has created likely have driven a nationwide spike in crime in the nation’s large cities.

The Establishment Media declaring that George Floyd’s death justifies a Racial Reckoning had nothing to do with it!

But in St. Louis, by 2019 the homicide rate has already topped large U.S. cities for six years straight, making a spike particularly deadly here.

In other words, St. Louis started its current run as America’s Murder Capital in 2014, the Year of Ferguson.

Black Lives Matter has a lot of blood on its hands by now.

Why do I care? I guess I’m just some kind of weird extremist who is Anti-Murder.

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  1. So in other words…..if you spend most of your life in St Louis…..you have a 1 in 20 chance of getting wacked…..wow….

    • Replies: @Escher
    @Neoconned

    That is wack, as the Brown and Floyd families would say.

  2. “ So, at this rate, if you set out to live 75 years of your life in St. Louis, you’d have a 6.5% chance of being murdered?”

    Yes, if you lived there every year and the rate stayed the same.

    Homicide is the cause of 35% of black male deaths under 20 and 27% of deaths 20 to 44; for black females 15% and 7%.

    Among all ages of black males, 5.0% die from homicide nationwide. So you take a mostly black and especially violent city on its worst year, 6.5% is a reasonable estimate of lifetime risk.

    Given that blacks offend at an even higher rate, the lifetime incidence of committing homicide for black males is also well over 5%, higher still in St Louis.

    • LOL: Kronos
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Lot


    Given that blacks offend at an even higher rate, the lifetime incidence of committing homicide for black males is also well over 5%, higher still in St Louis.
     
    Blacks are also more likely to commit murders in groups. Most usually it's in the form of armed robbery that goes wrong, but there are also the gang shootouts and even gang rapes where they decide it's probably better if the victim (or victims) wasn't left to identify them to police. It could very well be the case that there are more black murderers than there are victims of black murderers.

    Whites seldom seem to commit such crimes in groups.

    Some of the most brutal and/or bizarre murders have involved gangs of black thugs. There's an old but still famous (and infamous) case in my state where a group of black Air Force enlistees (at least three, but perhaps as many as six) robbed a hifi stereo shop, took the employees and several of their family members hostage, tortured them, raped one of them (an attractive 18-year-old employee), forced them to swallow Liquid Drano, then shot them and left them to die. A 16-year-old boy who barely survived - a bright kid from a family of doctors - had to have his esophagus removed and replaced with a section of his intestine.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    , @donut
    @Lot

    Are the life insurance rates the same for a negro in St. Louis as for a White man all other factors being equal ?

  3. Anon[179] • Disclaimer says:

    There is a a simple thing that can be done to help correct the problem. Let blacks who have been shot bleed out. Emergency responders should take plenty of time, and hospitals should just give them a painkiller and stick ’em away in a room to die. Most blacks who have been shot have a history of previous felonies. They’re no loss.

    This way hospitals don’t ruin their finances on extremely expensive live-saving surgery and rehab, which blacks never pay for, and the black criminals never get the chance to commit another crime again, thus easing the burdening our legal system and jails. What’s more, we’ve very likely gotten rid of a welfare parasite who doesn’t deserve the money, thus lightening the load on the finances of our overstrained cities.

    Problem solved. It’s a win-win situation for our cities, legal system, jails, hospitals, and taxpayers who support these parasites. The whole country would benefit with the removal of these people. Crime in cities and even black areas would start dropping. Violent, criminal blacks would disappear from the gene pool.

    • LOL: clyde
    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Anon

    A bettor solution would be to make sure that only black doctors, nurses, paramedics etc deal with black gun shot victims.

    Replies: @clyde

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anon


    There is a a simple thing that can be done to help correct the problem.
     
    Separate nations.

    Jewish ideologues--who finance and run the super-state party--i.e. the Democrats--have propagated the minoritarian--majorities (white gentiles) oppressive/evil; minorities oppressed/virtuous--ideology. This has been done to break the cohesiveness of the white majority, end republican/majority-rule government in favor of elite control and impose a minoritarian ethos.

    Let those people live with and manage their black pets without the right to boss around and loot white (and other) people who aren't interested.

    I'm happy to live my life with the 100 million+ folks who still value an America rooted in Western Christian civilization with republican government and federalism and our traditional Anglo-Saxon liberties.

    Let everyone vote themselves as either a citizen of "Rainbow" or "America"--or for that matter "Wakanda", "Libertarianaria" whatever--and we separate out.
  4. Such truths as Steve writes, must not be spoken. Or one never can blaim neither “minorities” nor leftists for any spike in murder rates

    Thus the Leftists can never learn from disaster, be it Zimbabwe, South Africa, or St Luis.

    Scientific honestly, scientific logic are the basics for engaging in a dialogue and for solving problems.

    We must totally reject and shame anti-scientific theories and postmodernism’s cutesy feeling anti-science.

    We must shame policies that cause so many deaths. AntiRacism kills, by the thousands

  5. @Neoconned
    So in other words.....if you spend most of your life in St Louis.....you have a 1 in 20 chance of getting wacked.....wow....

    Replies: @Escher

    That is wack, as the Brown and Floyd families would say.

  6. OT: Has anyone noticed that an even more contagious strain of Covid appears right when the vaccine starts being rolled out?

    Thanks, China!

    The timing is not an accident. Someone is ticked off that his nasty little weapon is being sabotaged by the vaccine.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Anon

    You sure its not our parasite viral weapons specialists doing this?

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @Anon

    Has little to do with China, or a mystery virus.

    2019 Flu season numbers were normal.

    2020 Minimal numbers for Flu.

    What changed in 2020? Where did the Flu go in 2020? On vacation? Socially isolating at the North Pole?

    Check the CDC web site for symptoms of Flu and Covid.

    The symptoms are the same.

    They lie about everything.

  7. So, at this rate, if you set out to live 75 years of your life in St. Louis, you’d have a 6.5% chance of being murdered? I’m not sure that’s exactly how the statistics work (does anybody have a better way of calculating?)

    It’s actually 6.32%, to be very close to exact. Each year, your chance of surviving is 0.99913. Take that number to the 75th power to get your chance of surviving 75 years (assuming you don’t die of natural causes before then). The result (to the nearest ten-thousandth) is 0.9368. Subtract that from 1 to get the chance you’ll be murdered: 0.0632, or 6.32%.

    • Replies: @bruce county
    @Rex Little

    Murder is a natural cause of death in heavily black populated cities, counties and countries.

  8. How can anyone even think about something as trivial as homicide when there are Karens on the loose? Where are our priorities, people?

    Miya Ponsetto, 22, identified as accuser in Keyon Harrold Jr. case

    “A white woman from California is the suspect…”

    Look at those lips. How is Miss Ponsetto white?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    Miya Taylor Ponsetto is a Hispanic woman with a fiery Latino temper.

    https://conandaily.com/2020/12/31/miya-ponsetto-biography-13-things-about-simi-valley-california-woman/

    On February 28, 2020, she was arrested by the Beverly Hills Police Department in Beverly Hills, California for being intoxicated in public.

    On September 1, 2020, she was arrested by the West Los Angeles California Highway Patrol for driving with a suspended license and failure to obey traffic lane

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    , @Charon
    @Reg Cæsar


    How is Miss Ponsetto white?
     
    By her actions, of course. By their acts ye shall know them. Aren't we past the skin color thing by now? Anyone can be "white" if they're racist.
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Reg Cæsar

    I wonder is she's got a Hoover vacum cleaner in her chest.

    , @Sebastian Hawks
    @Reg Cæsar

    She's from "Sun Valley" CA. Youtube ran some video about Richard Ramirez crime spree in the 80s and that's where one of his Asian Victims lived so could be an Asian area, she does look mixed. One thing the media glossed over in the Ramirez case was a disproportionate number of his victims were Asians. His psycho cousin was special forces in Vietnam and showed Ramirez private polaroid photos of him raping and murdering Viet Cong women during the war when Ramirez was going through puberty probably putting these violent sexual fantasies in his head. I doubt it was random that Ramirez targeted Asians.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @Reg Cæsar

    She looks like a troll.

    , @Ed
    @Reg Cæsar

    It’s funny she’s handling this nonsense better than most people. She isn’t ducking from the cameras. There’s a clip of her being harassed by TMZ photographers as she’s getting out of a SUV. Can’t hear the question but as snaps back that “actually I’m Puerto Rican” and off edge goes.

    It’s funny the NY Post supposedly a conservative paper has chased her down from NY to California and has run daily front page articles. It’s a lead story on their site this AM.

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/02/soho-karen-miya-ponsetto-has-history-of-going-berserk-in-hotels/

  9. So for this year so far, the average american is slightly more likely to die of Covid-19 than the average St Loiusan (?) is to be murdered ?

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @AKAHorace

    More likely to die of an attack of thuggery, than an attack of super flu.

  10. Hi Stevie!

    Yes, another of my favourite holidays is Ferguson Effect Day!

    I well remember at our home in Montreal how we celebrated this sacred day on which the holy and angelic St Michael of Brown ascended to Heaven.

    Thanks for jogging my false memory!

    Hot kisses,

    Kamalya (rhymes with liar) Harris

  11. Today was at the outdoor range and shooting in the rain. Again, got to be happy that most of the inner-city killer kids of color don’t practice much.

  12. The chance of dying wouldn’t be *quite* that high, but pretty close.

    Probability of dying in a given year = 87/100,000 = 0.00087

    Therefore, probability of surviving a year = 1 – 0.00087 = 0.99913

    Probability of making it through a string of 75 years back to back = 0.99913^75 = 0.93681

    Therefore, probability of dying during that time = 1 – 0.93681 = 0.06319

    So, not quite 6.5%, but pretty close.

    (This assumes the homicide rate doesn’t change year to year – doubtful – and that your chance of being murdered is not a function of age – doubly doubtful.)

    • Agree: Alan Mercer
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @AMW

    In English money, one in 16 people who live their lives in St Louis will be murdered.

    Your calc doesn't account for the abbreviated life-span of the unfortunates, but that is partially offset by the irony that each death effects both the divisor and the dividend.

  13. @Reg Cæsar
    How can anyone even think about something as trivial as homicide when there are Karens on the loose? Where are our priorities, people?

    Miya Ponsetto, 22, identified as accuser in Keyon Harrold Jr. case


    "A white woman from California is the suspect..."


    Look at those lips. How is Miss Ponsetto white?


    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/digitally-enhanced-soho-karen.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1080

    Replies: @Jack D, @Charon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Sebastian Hawks, @SaneClownPosse, @Ed

    Miya Taylor Ponsetto is a Hispanic woman with a fiery Latino temper.

    https://conandaily.com/2020/12/31/miya-ponsetto-biography-13-things-about-simi-valley-california-woman/

    On February 28, 2020, she was arrested by the Beverly Hills Police Department in Beverly Hills, California for being intoxicated in public.

    On September 1, 2020, she was arrested by the West Los Angeles California Highway Patrol for driving with a suspended license and failure to obey traffic lane

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    On February 28, 2020, she was arrested by the Beverly Hills Police Department in Beverly Hills, California for being intoxicated in public.

     

    Hey, who can blame her? It was Leap Day Eve!

    Look at these impressive centennials to celebrate:


    1920: James Mitchell, actor estadounidense (f. 2010).
    1920: Howard Nemerov, poeta estadounidense (f. 1991).
    1920: Román Piña Chan, arqueólogo y antropólogo mexicano (f. 2001).
    1920: John Chaney, baloncestista estadounidense (f. 2004).
    1920: Michèle Morgan, actriz francesa (f. 2016).
    1920: Beltrán Urenda, político chileno (f. 2013).
    1920: Arthur Franz, actor estadounidense (f. 2006).

    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/29_de_febrero#Nacimientos

     

    Not to mention the 60th of these two notables, born on the same day:

    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez
    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Robbins

    My guess, though, is she would be more interested in this character, who turned 40:

    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A1lmata_(cantante)
    (Note that he is a native-born US citizen, but does not have a Wikipedia page in English. Not that we want him to!)

    https://www.semana.com/resizer/e26gftm56ZSenR959gy6BsBvcn4=/960x540/filters:format(jpg):quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/semana/TG2BDAZ3V5BB7F4NBAOOCTCS3M.jpg

    https://elgenero.com/images/subir/images/13375540185256211015.jpg

    , @Anon
    @Jack D

    They created a new category for George Zimmerman of White Hispanic, to denote Bad Hispanic. Will be used for this women, also.

  14. @Reg Cæsar
    How can anyone even think about something as trivial as homicide when there are Karens on the loose? Where are our priorities, people?

    Miya Ponsetto, 22, identified as accuser in Keyon Harrold Jr. case


    "A white woman from California is the suspect..."


    Look at those lips. How is Miss Ponsetto white?


    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/digitally-enhanced-soho-karen.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1080

    Replies: @Jack D, @Charon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Sebastian Hawks, @SaneClownPosse, @Ed

    How is Miss Ponsetto white?

    By her actions, of course. By their acts ye shall know them. Aren’t we past the skin color thing by now? Anyone can be “white” if they’re racist.

  15. Notice that Newark, one city that didn’t have any rioting, had the same number of murders as last year. Newark as a viscous a ghetto as anywhere in America, but is geographically and culturally an anomaly. For example, it has almost no gentrification.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @ATBOTL

    Newark has one insular section called the Ironbound which is mostly Portuguese and Brazilian. Probably under 10% of the population. And not sure how many left in the Italian section Tony Soprano was said to have grown up in. Apart from those areas it is pretty bad. Cory Booker as Mayor did not have notable success other than getting Mark Zuckerberg to pony up $100M towards its school system. There is some attempt at gentrifying near the city center with some new housing in. They even have a Whole Foods. And near the city center has been new commercial development and property values had been steadily rising pre-covid. But on the whole the city is pretty much as you think it is.

  16. @Rex Little

    So, at this rate, if you set out to live 75 years of your life in St. Louis, you’d have a 6.5% chance of being murdered? I’m not sure that’s exactly how the statistics work (does anybody have a better way of calculating?)
     
    It's actually 6.32%, to be very close to exact. Each year, your chance of surviving is 0.99913. Take that number to the 75th power to get your chance of surviving 75 years (assuming you don't die of natural causes before then). The result (to the nearest ten-thousandth) is 0.9368. Subtract that from 1 to get the chance you'll be murdered: 0.0632, or 6.32%.

    Replies: @bruce county

    Murder is a natural cause of death in heavily black populated cities, counties and countries.

  17. @Lot
    “ So, at this rate, if you set out to live 75 years of your life in St. Louis, you’d have a 6.5% chance of being murdered?”

    Yes, if you lived there every year and the rate stayed the same.

    Homicide is the cause of 35% of black male deaths under 20 and 27% of deaths 20 to 44; for black females 15% and 7%.

    Among all ages of black males, 5.0% die from homicide nationwide. So you take a mostly black and especially violent city on its worst year, 6.5% is a reasonable estimate of lifetime risk.

    Given that blacks offend at an even higher rate, the lifetime incidence of committing homicide for black males is also well over 5%, higher still in St Louis.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @donut

    Given that blacks offend at an even higher rate, the lifetime incidence of committing homicide for black males is also well over 5%, higher still in St Louis.

    Blacks are also more likely to commit murders in groups. Most usually it’s in the form of armed robbery that goes wrong, but there are also the gang shootouts and even gang rapes where they decide it’s probably better if the victim (or victims) wasn’t left to identify them to police. It could very well be the case that there are more black murderers than there are victims of black murderers.

    Whites seldom seem to commit such crimes in groups.

    Some of the most brutal and/or bizarre murders have involved gangs of black thugs. There’s an old but still famous (and infamous) case in my state where a group of black Air Force enlistees (at least three, but perhaps as many as six) robbed a hifi stereo shop, took the employees and several of their family members hostage, tortured them, raped one of them (an attractive 18-year-old employee), forced them to swallow Liquid Drano, then shot them and left them to die. A 16-year-old boy who barely survived – a bright kid from a family of doctors – had to have his esophagus removed and replaced with a section of his intestine.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Wilkey

    The Hi-Fi murders happened in 1974. Would you be surprised that I've never heard of this before? In the below description Orren Walker was one of the victims, Pierre and Andrews were the robbers/murderers/rapist. I wonder how many New York Times articles are written about this atrocity? Oh, I know, this was all just random. Nothing to do with race.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Fi_murders#Murder,_torture,_and_rape


    With five people now held hostage in the basement, Pierre told Andrews to get something from their van. Andrews returned with a bottle in a brown paper bag, from which Pierre poured a cup of blue liquid. Pierre ordered Orren to administer the liquid to the other hostages, but he refused, and was bound, gagged, and left face-down on the basement floor.

    Pierre and Andrews then propped each of the victims into sitting positions and forced them to drink the liquid, telling them it was vodka laced with sleeping pills. Rather, it was liquid Drano, that immediately caused blisters on the victims' lips, and began burning their tongues and throats, and peeled away the flesh around their mouths. Ansley, still begging for her life, was forced to drink the drain cleaner too, although she was reported (by Orren Walker) to have coughed less than the other victims. Pierre and Andrews tried to duct tape the hostages' mouths shut to hold quantities of drain cleaner in and to silence their screams, but the oozing blisters prevented the adhesive from sticking. Orren Walker was the last to be given the drain cleaner, but seeing what was happening to the other hostages, he allowed it to pour out of his mouth and then mimicked the convulsions and screams of his son and fellow hostages.

    Pierre became angry because the deaths were taking too long, and were too loud and messy, so he shot both Carol and Cortney Naisbitt in the backs of their heads, proving fatal for Carol but leaving Cortney alive. Pierre then shot at Orren Walker but missed. He then fatally shot Stanley before again shooting at Orren, this time grazing the back of his head.

    Pierre then took Ansley to the far corner of the basement, forced her at gunpoint to remove her clothes, then repeatedly and brutally raped her after telling Andrews to clear out for 30 minutes. When he was done, he allowed her to use the bathroom while he watched, then dragged her, still naked, back to the other hostages, threw her on her face, and fatally shot her in the back of the head. According to survivor Orren's testimony, her last words were, "I am too young to die."
     

    Replies: @Wilkey

  18. Steve- You note Obama’s impact on the first Ferguson effect in 2014.

    Who was President in 2020, for the second Ferguson effect?

    • Thanks: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Anonymous

    That would be the Deep State and MSM.

    , @Wilkey
    @Anonymous


    Steve- You note Obama’s impact on the first Ferguson effect in 2014. Who was President in 2020, for the second Ferguson effect?
     
    The question isn't who was president, but who was responsible.

    Two of the four cops in the George Floyd arrest were minorities - one black, one Asian. The Chief of Police in Minneapolis was/is black. The mayor is a Democrat. Every single member of the city council is either a Democrat or Green Party - not a single Republican among them. The Attorney General of Minnesota is black and Democrat. The governor of Minnesota is a Democrat. All of the politicians and even corporations - remember all those companies with "Black Lives Matter" banners on their websites, or in their advertising emails? - were the ones inciting and making excuses for protests and rioting in the middle of a pandemic, even after it was clear that many protests were going to turn violent. They were the ones telling blacks they were oppressed and routinely brutalized by police. They were the ones advocating defunding the police. They were the ones telling cops they would be thrown to the wolves if they had to shoot or kill a black perp in the line of duty.

    Barack Obama actively incited the BLM riots. He actively encouraged blacks to believe that most blacks killed by cops were killed unjustly. He encouraged it even after it was quite clear that it was driving up murder rates. He encouraged it and excused it even after two cops were killed in New York and five in Dallas at the hands of BLM thugs, who aren't nearly as well remembered as that one jackass in Charlottesville who killed one person.

    Donald Trump didn't encourage any of it. And what's more, if Obama hadn't several years encouraging BLM thuggery it's unlikely Trump would have ever been president. Trump won in 2016 by such a narrow margin that it's quite likely he would not have won it all without all the BLM anarchy taking place.

    Replies: @Sebastian Hawks, @AnotherDad

    , @tyrone
    @Anonymous

    Didn't you learn ANYTHING the last four years ….the "president" has a little power……you live in a sham democracy.

    , @Wade Hampton
    @Anonymous

    Of course the BLM/Antifa brownshirts got their 2020 marching orders from their Oberscharführers in DNC to ramp up the violence to scare the electorate enough to vote for Dementia Joe.

    But killing scores of inner cities blacks wasn't strictly speaking necessary, because as Dementia Joe pointed out since the DNC had the most diverse vote fraud organization in history.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Lurker

  19. OT – Superintendent of West Point suspends honor code policy because affected students were disproportionately from a minority group:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/30/west-point-cheating-scandal-football-players-athletes-liberty-bowl/4085075001/

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Mr. Anon

    Thank for posting this. The Superintendent, Lt. General Darryl Williams . . . anyway, you get the point.

  20. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    Miya Taylor Ponsetto is a Hispanic woman with a fiery Latino temper.

    https://conandaily.com/2020/12/31/miya-ponsetto-biography-13-things-about-simi-valley-california-woman/

    On February 28, 2020, she was arrested by the Beverly Hills Police Department in Beverly Hills, California for being intoxicated in public.

    On September 1, 2020, she was arrested by the West Los Angeles California Highway Patrol for driving with a suspended license and failure to obey traffic lane

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    On February 28, 2020, she was arrested by the Beverly Hills Police Department in Beverly Hills, California for being intoxicated in public.

    Hey, who can blame her? It was Leap Day Eve!

    Look at these impressive centennials to celebrate:

    1920: James Mitchell, actor estadounidense (f. 2010).
    1920: Howard Nemerov, poeta estadounidense (f. 1991).
    1920: Román Piña Chan, arqueólogo y antropólogo mexicano (f. 2001).
    1920: John Chaney, baloncestista estadounidense (f. 2004).
    1920: Michèle Morgan, actriz francesa (f. 2016).
    1920: Beltrán Urenda, político chileno (f. 2013).
    1920: Arthur Franz, actor estadounidense (f. 2006).

    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/29_de_febrero#Nacimientos

    Not to mention the 60th of these two notables, born on the same day:

    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez
    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Robbins

    My guess, though, is she would be more interested in this character, who turned 40:

    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A1lmata_(cantante)
    (Note that he is a native-born US citizen, but does not have a Wikipedia page in English. Not that we want him to!)

  21. Why do I care? I guess I’m just some kind of weird extremist who is Anti-Murder.

    It’s a fair interpretation of Black Lives Matter that the handful of blacks who die each year at the hands of police is a moral outrage and defilement to their community and to their goodwhite worshippers that outweighs the thousands of each other they kill every year who would otherwise live with aggressive policing. It’s not a rational, utilitarian choice. But it is a choice between policies and resulting outcomes, and perhaps it should be interpreted as such, and respected as such. It’s a lousy situation to be a formerly-enslaved minority living in a society built for and around the culture and biology of your former masters that you don’t and never will fit completely into, that you didn’t ask to live in, but that you can’t leave or completely disavow without admitting that it provides better material conditions for your people than you could ever do for yourselves.

    Just so long as we can point out that it is a choice, and that those thousands of additional murdered blacks every year are the blood sacrifice paid to maintain the sacredness of Black Bodies inviolate from the hands of white law and white cops.

    Of course, we can’t point that out, and those thousands of dead blacks will be our fault too.

  22. @Lot
    “ So, at this rate, if you set out to live 75 years of your life in St. Louis, you’d have a 6.5% chance of being murdered?”

    Yes, if you lived there every year and the rate stayed the same.

    Homicide is the cause of 35% of black male deaths under 20 and 27% of deaths 20 to 44; for black females 15% and 7%.

    Among all ages of black males, 5.0% die from homicide nationwide. So you take a mostly black and especially violent city on its worst year, 6.5% is a reasonable estimate of lifetime risk.

    Given that blacks offend at an even higher rate, the lifetime incidence of committing homicide for black males is also well over 5%, higher still in St Louis.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @donut

    Are the life insurance rates the same for a negro in St. Louis as for a White man all other factors being equal ?

  23. Same Old Lang Syne, 2021

    Saw my old lover at the grocery store;
    I snuck up on them from behind.
    They got so flustered that they spilled their purse;
    Just as flustered, I spilled mine.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  24. @Anonymous
    Steve- You note Obama's impact on the first Ferguson effect in 2014.

    Who was President in 2020, for the second Ferguson effect?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Wilkey, @tyrone, @Wade Hampton

    That would be the Deep State and MSM.

  25. @AMW
    The chance of dying wouldn’t be *quite* that high, but pretty close.

    Probability of dying in a given year = 87/100,000 = 0.00087

    Therefore, probability of surviving a year = 1 - 0.00087 = 0.99913

    Probability of making it through a string of 75 years back to back = 0.99913^75 = 0.93681

    Therefore, probability of dying during that time = 1 - 0.93681 = 0.06319

    So, not quite 6.5%, but pretty close.

    (This assumes the homicide rate doesn’t change year to year - doubtful - and that your chance of being murdered is not a function of age - doubly doubtful.)

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    In English money, one in 16 people who live their lives in St Louis will be murdered.

    Your calc doesn’t account for the abbreviated life-span of the unfortunates, but that is partially offset by the irony that each death effects both the divisor and the dividend.

  26. So, St. Louis is nearing 100 per 100,000 homicides, which is 1 per 1,000, which is the virus toll. Only these are not 80-year-olds. In life years lost, murder is now taking 7-8 times the toll of the virus.

  27. Anon[402] • Disclaimer says:
    @ATBOTL
    Notice that Newark, one city that didn't have any rioting, had the same number of murders as last year. Newark as a viscous a ghetto as anywhere in America, but is geographically and culturally an anomaly. For example, it has almost no gentrification.

    Replies: @Anon

    Newark has one insular section called the Ironbound which is mostly Portuguese and Brazilian. Probably under 10% of the population. And not sure how many left in the Italian section Tony Soprano was said to have grown up in. Apart from those areas it is pretty bad. Cory Booker as Mayor did not have notable success other than getting Mark Zuckerberg to pony up $100M towards its school system. There is some attempt at gentrifying near the city center with some new housing in. They even have a Whole Foods. And near the city center has been new commercial development and property values had been steadily rising pre-covid. But on the whole the city is pretty much as you think it is.

  28. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    Miya Taylor Ponsetto is a Hispanic woman with a fiery Latino temper.

    https://conandaily.com/2020/12/31/miya-ponsetto-biography-13-things-about-simi-valley-california-woman/

    On February 28, 2020, she was arrested by the Beverly Hills Police Department in Beverly Hills, California for being intoxicated in public.

    On September 1, 2020, she was arrested by the West Los Angeles California Highway Patrol for driving with a suspended license and failure to obey traffic lane

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    They created a new category for George Zimmerman of White Hispanic, to denote Bad Hispanic. Will be used for this women, also.

  29. @Mr. Anon
    OT - Superintendent of West Point suspends honor code policy because affected students were disproportionately from a minority group:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/30/west-point-cheating-scandal-football-players-athletes-liberty-bowl/4085075001/

    Replies: @black sea

    Thank for posting this. The Superintendent, Lt. General Darryl Williams . . . anyway, you get the point.

  30. If I’m reading the Missouri constitution correctly, it’s comparatively easy to amend.

    1. Step 1 would be a voter initiative to create multi-county authorities to provide police services in greater Kansas City and greater St. Louis.

    2. Step 2 would be a voter initiative to define tax remission zones in each of the 13 metropolitan counties in the state.

    3. Step 3 would be a voter initiative to dissolve the prosecutor’s office and the school board in any jurisdiction where the population of the tax remission zones reached a critical mass. In re the public prosecutor, the jurisdiction would be merged with a neighboring jurisdiction. In re the school board, the government schools would be turned over to philanthropic foundations and a voucher system created.

    • Replies: @countenance
    @Art Deco

    That kind effort was tried from 2006 to 2019, but quickly dropped, because blacks (i.e. black municipal employees who would have lost their jobs, and the reverends of the churches they go to, and they hook into the NAACP), threw a fit.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  31. The city of St. Louis is roughly evenly divided between blacks and whites, with others being a small percentage. Which means the official city-wide murder rate is deceptive, because, as you can rightly figure, blacks do nearly all of the murdering. Which means double the city-wide number then lob a little off the top for the few non-black murderers. Which means that St. Louis City’s black murder rate in 2020 was around 165-170 per 100k.

    And they wonder why I feel safer in my new city, one internationally famous for Muslim and Middle Eastern rape wildings and trucks of peace, than my native one. The good news is that this news, at least for now, has dissuaded my wife from lobbying me to visit St. Louis, which she had been doing for awhile, mainly to see where her husband comes from.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @countenance

    St. Louis proper is very small (300,000 out of a metro area of 2.8 million) and most of the economic activity takes place in the suburbs. Whites and blacks both continue to leave the city for the suburbs. There is some redevelopment going on but the outlying suburbs continue to grow. A lot of the suburbs in west St. Louis County are very nice and those people have no need to go into the city except for an occasional baseball or hockey game.

    , @Sebastian Hawks
    @countenance

    I went to some Rams Games a decade back and noticed upon entering the city the population is quite small, like 300,000 or something. So that is a pretty high murder rate for such a small population. I noticed St. Louis is sort of like Detroit with the real city being this ring of suburbs was out far enough that it's too tough to get there by bus. Blacks from Chicago were taking over Champaign ten years ago. I heard the current conservative white woman mayor there is a placeholder while they powers that be privately seek to "gentrify" and push out the blacks to Urbana, Danville, and Decatur with visions of Champaign becoming like Ann Arbor, a tiny expensive piece of the elite Eastern Seaboard in the middle of Michigan. There is a big pushback here about extending the "bus route" out to the new sprawling "Fields" area way out past the interstate in the cornfields where all the city's new development is occurring. Although most of the smart development is 10 miles away in Mahomet where they have their own school district so your kids don't have to go to school with the ghetto slugs from North Champaign.

  32. @Art Deco
    If I'm reading the Missouri constitution correctly, it's comparatively easy to amend.

    1. Step 1 would be a voter initiative to create multi-county authorities to provide police services in greater Kansas City and greater St. Louis.

    2. Step 2 would be a voter initiative to define tax remission zones in each of the 13 metropolitan counties in the state.

    3. Step 3 would be a voter initiative to dissolve the prosecutor's office and the school board in any jurisdiction where the population of the tax remission zones reached a critical mass. In re the public prosecutor, the jurisdiction would be merged with a neighboring jurisdiction. In re the school board, the government schools would be turned over to philanthropic foundations and a voucher system created.

    Replies: @countenance

    That kind effort was tried from 2006 to 2019, but quickly dropped, because blacks (i.e. black municipal employees who would have lost their jobs, and the reverends of the churches they go to, and they hook into the NAACP), threw a fit.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @countenance

    Blacks account for just shy of 12% of Missouri's population. Failure is a choice.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  33. @Reg Cæsar
    How can anyone even think about something as trivial as homicide when there are Karens on the loose? Where are our priorities, people?

    Miya Ponsetto, 22, identified as accuser in Keyon Harrold Jr. case


    "A white woman from California is the suspect..."


    Look at those lips. How is Miss Ponsetto white?


    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/digitally-enhanced-soho-karen.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1080

    Replies: @Jack D, @Charon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Sebastian Hawks, @SaneClownPosse, @Ed

    I wonder is she’s got a Hoover vacum cleaner in her chest.

  34. @countenance
    @Art Deco

    That kind effort was tried from 2006 to 2019, but quickly dropped, because blacks (i.e. black municipal employees who would have lost their jobs, and the reverends of the churches they go to, and they hook into the NAACP), threw a fit.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Blacks account for just shy of 12% of Missouri’s population. Failure is a choice.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    Run for mayor!

  35. I am sorry, but is the escalation of Blacks shooting each other a bad thing in the long run? These are overwhelmingly criminals shooting other criminals, and their families, so here is the reality check:

    The only thing that stops a criminal from being a criminal is death or lifetime Incarceration. Every Black thug popping another Black thug at the age of Twenty or so is a measurable decrease in Violent Crime long term – it is measurable in the dozens, to hundreds, of crimes that thug would have committed if he had lived a normal lifespan.

    Simple fact: the more Blacks shoot each other to smithereens, the more the rest of Society will be made safer in the long term. If TPTB want to all live out in Cloud Cuckoo Land over the nature of Black behavior, well, reality is going to assert itself one way or another.

    • Replies: @Odin
    @theMann


    These are overwhelmingly criminals shooting other criminals and their families
     
    Has anyone figured out the demographic effect of a shift to zero shootings and zero abortions?
  36. @Anonymous
    Steve- You note Obama's impact on the first Ferguson effect in 2014.

    Who was President in 2020, for the second Ferguson effect?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Wilkey, @tyrone, @Wade Hampton

    Steve- You note Obama’s impact on the first Ferguson effect in 2014. Who was President in 2020, for the second Ferguson effect?

    The question isn’t who was president, but who was responsible.

    Two of the four cops in the George Floyd arrest were minorities – one black, one Asian. The Chief of Police in Minneapolis was/is black. The mayor is a Democrat. Every single member of the city council is either a Democrat or Green Party – not a single Republican among them. The Attorney General of Minnesota is black and Democrat. The governor of Minnesota is a Democrat. All of the politicians and even corporations – remember all those companies with “Black Lives Matter” banners on their websites, or in their advertising emails? – were the ones inciting and making excuses for protests and rioting in the middle of a pandemic, even after it was clear that many protests were going to turn violent. They were the ones telling blacks they were oppressed and routinely brutalized by police. They were the ones advocating defunding the police. They were the ones telling cops they would be thrown to the wolves if they had to shoot or kill a black perp in the line of duty.

    Barack Obama actively incited the BLM riots. He actively encouraged blacks to believe that most blacks killed by cops were killed unjustly. He encouraged it even after it was quite clear that it was driving up murder rates. He encouraged it and excused it even after two cops were killed in New York and five in Dallas at the hands of BLM thugs, who aren’t nearly as well remembered as that one jackass in Charlottesville who killed one person.

    Donald Trump didn’t encourage any of it. And what’s more, if Obama hadn’t several years encouraging BLM thuggery it’s unlikely Trump would have ever been president. Trump won in 2016 by such a narrow margin that it’s quite likely he would not have won it all without all the BLM anarchy taking place.

    • Replies: @Sebastian Hawks
    @Wilkey


    "Donald Trump didn’t encourage any of it. And what’s more, if Obama hadn’t several years encouraging BLM thuggery it’s unlikely Trump would have ever been president. Trump won in 2016 by such a narrow margin that it’s quite likely he would not have won it all without all the BLM anarchy taking place"
     
    I wonder if we will eventually get a Hispanic Trump. The BLM crap is so pissing off everyone except blacks, queers, and liberal whites that a Hispanic Trump can pop up and sneak on by because the liberals will only see their hispanic resume and not realize until too late they have a new strongman type in with their own agenda like Duarte's crackdown on crime, etc.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Kronos

    , @AnotherDad
    @Wilkey


    The question isn’t who was president, but who was responsible.
     
    Exactly.

    The BLM big lie and all the violence, looting, destruction and murder that flow from it are the responsibility of the minoritarian spouting creeps in Big Media, Big Academia and Big Government--Democrats and, of course, secondarily their thug foot soldiers actually doing it--also Democrats.
  37. Imagine your disappointment. Last day of the year you turn up to church hoping just to grab some free wine and a couple of dollars from the plate, only to have to sit through listening to all of those names being read out. Labia lavaviousness. Junewona Africanous. Intravenous Lajonsin….

  38. On the last day of 2020, St. Louis leaders read 262 names aloud from a church podium — each name representing a person killed in the city over the previous 12 months.

    This is incredible. St Louis’s population is only about 320,000 people, perhaps less, and (as someone notes above) only about half that population is black.

    I live in Utah, which is almost 10-11 times larger than St. Louis. Utah just had a record number of 103 murders this year, though justified cop shootings and a few other questionable deaths get lumped in with that. The last record number was also roughly around the time of the Ferguson effect, in 2016, when we had 90.

    If Utah had the same murder rate as St. Louis we would have had 2,600-2,900 murders last year. That’s an insane number to wrap one’s head around. By comparison we’ve had less than 400 deaths from COVID.

    So the death rate from murder in many black cities is far higher than the death rate from a virus that has been used as an excuse for the government to literally shut much of the country down and take on trillions in new debt.

    Incredible.

    When someone ever again throws the words “white flight” or “segregation” in your face, point out to them that the death rate from black murderers is way higher than the death rate from COVID, and watch the look on their faces as it sinks in.

    • LOL: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Ed
    @Wilkey

    A good comparison is to compare black murder cities to Boston and El Paso.

    You really begin to see not only the difference in murder numbers but also policing costs.

    Baltimore and Boston are roughly the same size in population and in area.

    The Baltimore police budget is 20% highly than Boston’s police budget, 500M vs 400M. There are 2500 police officers in Baltimore vs 2100 in Boston.

    Boston has about 50-60 murders a year. Baltimore 300. Boston is about 25% black & Baltimore 70% black.

    Still even with only 50 some odd murders the vast majority are black with Hispanics, the blacker type, rounding out the total.

    https://www.universalhub.com/yir/2020/murders

  39. So, at this rate, if you set out to live 75 years of your life in St. Louis, you’d have a 6.5% chance of being murdered? I’m not sure that’s exactly how the statistics work (does anybody have a better way of calculating?), but it’s still an eye-opening figure.

    So what are the odds for the average guy living in East St. Louis? 25%?

  40. @Reg Cæsar
    How can anyone even think about something as trivial as homicide when there are Karens on the loose? Where are our priorities, people?

    Miya Ponsetto, 22, identified as accuser in Keyon Harrold Jr. case


    "A white woman from California is the suspect..."


    Look at those lips. How is Miss Ponsetto white?


    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/digitally-enhanced-soho-karen.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1080

    Replies: @Jack D, @Charon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Sebastian Hawks, @SaneClownPosse, @Ed

    She’s from “Sun Valley” CA. Youtube ran some video about Richard Ramirez crime spree in the 80s and that’s where one of his Asian Victims lived so could be an Asian area, she does look mixed. One thing the media glossed over in the Ramirez case was a disproportionate number of his victims were Asians. His psycho cousin was special forces in Vietnam and showed Ramirez private polaroid photos of him raping and murdering Viet Cong women during the war when Ramirez was going through puberty probably putting these violent sexual fantasies in his head. I doubt it was random that Ramirez targeted Asians.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Sebastian Hawks


    One thing the media glossed over in the Ramirez case was a disproportionate number of his victims were Asians. His psycho cousin was special forces in Vietnam and showed Ramirez private polaroid photos of him raping and murdering Viet Cong women during the war when Ramirez was going through puberty probably putting these violent sexual fantasies in his head. I doubt it was random that Ramirez targeted Asians.
     
    Serial fetishist killer. Interesting ....
  41. @countenance
    The city of St. Louis is roughly evenly divided between blacks and whites, with others being a small percentage. Which means the official city-wide murder rate is deceptive, because, as you can rightly figure, blacks do nearly all of the murdering. Which means double the city-wide number then lob a little off the top for the few non-black murderers. Which means that St. Louis City's black murder rate in 2020 was around 165-170 per 100k.

    And they wonder why I feel safer in my new city, one internationally famous for Muslim and Middle Eastern rape wildings and trucks of peace, than my native one. The good news is that this news, at least for now, has dissuaded my wife from lobbying me to visit St. Louis, which she had been doing for awhile, mainly to see where her husband comes from.

    Replies: @Flip, @Sebastian Hawks

    St. Louis proper is very small (300,000 out of a metro area of 2.8 million) and most of the economic activity takes place in the suburbs. Whites and blacks both continue to leave the city for the suburbs. There is some redevelopment going on but the outlying suburbs continue to grow. A lot of the suburbs in west St. Louis County are very nice and those people have no need to go into the city except for an occasional baseball or hockey game.

  42. @countenance
    The city of St. Louis is roughly evenly divided between blacks and whites, with others being a small percentage. Which means the official city-wide murder rate is deceptive, because, as you can rightly figure, blacks do nearly all of the murdering. Which means double the city-wide number then lob a little off the top for the few non-black murderers. Which means that St. Louis City's black murder rate in 2020 was around 165-170 per 100k.

    And they wonder why I feel safer in my new city, one internationally famous for Muslim and Middle Eastern rape wildings and trucks of peace, than my native one. The good news is that this news, at least for now, has dissuaded my wife from lobbying me to visit St. Louis, which she had been doing for awhile, mainly to see where her husband comes from.

    Replies: @Flip, @Sebastian Hawks

    I went to some Rams Games a decade back and noticed upon entering the city the population is quite small, like 300,000 or something. So that is a pretty high murder rate for such a small population. I noticed St. Louis is sort of like Detroit with the real city being this ring of suburbs was out far enough that it’s too tough to get there by bus. Blacks from Chicago were taking over Champaign ten years ago. I heard the current conservative white woman mayor there is a placeholder while they powers that be privately seek to “gentrify” and push out the blacks to Urbana, Danville, and Decatur with visions of Champaign becoming like Ann Arbor, a tiny expensive piece of the elite Eastern Seaboard in the middle of Michigan. There is a big pushback here about extending the “bus route” out to the new sprawling “Fields” area way out past the interstate in the cornfields where all the city’s new development is occurring. Although most of the smart development is 10 miles away in Mahomet where they have their own school district so your kids don’t have to go to school with the ghetto slugs from North Champaign.

  43. @Wilkey
    @Anonymous


    Steve- You note Obama’s impact on the first Ferguson effect in 2014. Who was President in 2020, for the second Ferguson effect?
     
    The question isn't who was president, but who was responsible.

    Two of the four cops in the George Floyd arrest were minorities - one black, one Asian. The Chief of Police in Minneapolis was/is black. The mayor is a Democrat. Every single member of the city council is either a Democrat or Green Party - not a single Republican among them. The Attorney General of Minnesota is black and Democrat. The governor of Minnesota is a Democrat. All of the politicians and even corporations - remember all those companies with "Black Lives Matter" banners on their websites, or in their advertising emails? - were the ones inciting and making excuses for protests and rioting in the middle of a pandemic, even after it was clear that many protests were going to turn violent. They were the ones telling blacks they were oppressed and routinely brutalized by police. They were the ones advocating defunding the police. They were the ones telling cops they would be thrown to the wolves if they had to shoot or kill a black perp in the line of duty.

    Barack Obama actively incited the BLM riots. He actively encouraged blacks to believe that most blacks killed by cops were killed unjustly. He encouraged it even after it was quite clear that it was driving up murder rates. He encouraged it and excused it even after two cops were killed in New York and five in Dallas at the hands of BLM thugs, who aren't nearly as well remembered as that one jackass in Charlottesville who killed one person.

    Donald Trump didn't encourage any of it. And what's more, if Obama hadn't several years encouraging BLM thuggery it's unlikely Trump would have ever been president. Trump won in 2016 by such a narrow margin that it's quite likely he would not have won it all without all the BLM anarchy taking place.

    Replies: @Sebastian Hawks, @AnotherDad

    “Donald Trump didn’t encourage any of it. And what’s more, if Obama hadn’t several years encouraging BLM thuggery it’s unlikely Trump would have ever been president. Trump won in 2016 by such a narrow margin that it’s quite likely he would not have won it all without all the BLM anarchy taking place”

    I wonder if we will eventually get a Hispanic Trump. The BLM crap is so pissing off everyone except blacks, queers, and liberal whites that a Hispanic Trump can pop up and sneak on by because the liberals will only see their hispanic resume and not realize until too late they have a new strongman type in with their own agenda like Duarte’s crackdown on crime, etc.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Sebastian Hawks

    We may have an Italian-American Trump, and one with impeccable Ivy credentials, plus some real street smarts. 50 points if you guess who he is. (I already told you that it's a man, so it's not Maria Bartiromo.)

    , @Kronos
    @Sebastian Hawks

    *Helicopter noises*

    http://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED917/5957a47d1084b.jpeg

  44. @Anonymous
    Steve- You note Obama's impact on the first Ferguson effect in 2014.

    Who was President in 2020, for the second Ferguson effect?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Wilkey, @tyrone, @Wade Hampton

    Didn’t you learn ANYTHING the last four years ….the “president” has a little power……you live in a sham democracy.

  45. @Art Deco
    @countenance

    Blacks account for just shy of 12% of Missouri's population. Failure is a choice.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Run for mayor!

  46. @Sebastian Hawks
    @Wilkey


    "Donald Trump didn’t encourage any of it. And what’s more, if Obama hadn’t several years encouraging BLM thuggery it’s unlikely Trump would have ever been president. Trump won in 2016 by such a narrow margin that it’s quite likely he would not have won it all without all the BLM anarchy taking place"
     
    I wonder if we will eventually get a Hispanic Trump. The BLM crap is so pissing off everyone except blacks, queers, and liberal whites that a Hispanic Trump can pop up and sneak on by because the liberals will only see their hispanic resume and not realize until too late they have a new strongman type in with their own agenda like Duarte's crackdown on crime, etc.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Kronos

    We may have an Italian-American Trump, and one with impeccable Ivy credentials, plus some real street smarts. 50 points if you guess who he is. (I already told you that it’s a man, so it’s not Maria Bartiromo.)

  47. Steve, your: “Pay in USD via bitcoin” link is dead.

  48. @Sebastian Hawks
    @Wilkey


    "Donald Trump didn’t encourage any of it. And what’s more, if Obama hadn’t several years encouraging BLM thuggery it’s unlikely Trump would have ever been president. Trump won in 2016 by such a narrow margin that it’s quite likely he would not have won it all without all the BLM anarchy taking place"
     
    I wonder if we will eventually get a Hispanic Trump. The BLM crap is so pissing off everyone except blacks, queers, and liberal whites that a Hispanic Trump can pop up and sneak on by because the liberals will only see their hispanic resume and not realize until too late they have a new strongman type in with their own agenda like Duarte's crackdown on crime, etc.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Kronos

    *Helicopter noises*

  49. @Sebastian Hawks
    @Reg Cæsar

    She's from "Sun Valley" CA. Youtube ran some video about Richard Ramirez crime spree in the 80s and that's where one of his Asian Victims lived so could be an Asian area, she does look mixed. One thing the media glossed over in the Ramirez case was a disproportionate number of his victims were Asians. His psycho cousin was special forces in Vietnam and showed Ramirez private polaroid photos of him raping and murdering Viet Cong women during the war when Ramirez was going through puberty probably putting these violent sexual fantasies in his head. I doubt it was random that Ramirez targeted Asians.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    One thing the media glossed over in the Ramirez case was a disproportionate number of his victims were Asians. His psycho cousin was special forces in Vietnam and showed Ramirez private polaroid photos of him raping and murdering Viet Cong women during the war when Ramirez was going through puberty probably putting these violent sexual fantasies in his head. I doubt it was random that Ramirez targeted Asians.

    Serial fetishist killer. Interesting ….

  50. @Anonymous
    Steve- You note Obama's impact on the first Ferguson effect in 2014.

    Who was President in 2020, for the second Ferguson effect?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Wilkey, @tyrone, @Wade Hampton

    Of course the BLM/Antifa brownshirts got their 2020 marching orders from their Oberscharführers in DNC to ramp up the violence to scare the electorate enough to vote for Dementia Joe.

    But killing scores of inner cities blacks wasn’t strictly speaking necessary, because as Dementia Joe pointed out since the DNC had the most diverse vote fraud organization in history.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Wade Hampton


    But killing scores of inner cities blacks wasn’t strictly speaking necessary, because as Dementia Joe pointed out since the DNC had the most diverse vote fraud organization in history.
     
    They certainly exploited the COVID pandemic. But unless the US is stuck in various lockdowns for the next few years it’s unlikely they could pull this off repeatedly at this scale.

    https://youtu.be/sKFPgd4j5k8
    , @Lurker
    @Wade Hampton


    Of course the BLM/Antifa brownshirts got their 2020 marching orders from their Oberscharführers in DNC
     
    Brownshirts?

    Why are you covering for commies and fellow travellers?

  51. @Anon
    OT: Has anyone noticed that an even more contagious strain of Covid appears right when the vaccine starts being rolled out?

    Thanks, China!

    The timing is not an accident. Someone is ticked off that his nasty little weapon is being sabotaged by the vaccine.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @SaneClownPosse

    You sure its not our parasite viral weapons specialists doing this?

  52. @Anon
    OT: Has anyone noticed that an even more contagious strain of Covid appears right when the vaccine starts being rolled out?

    Thanks, China!

    The timing is not an accident. Someone is ticked off that his nasty little weapon is being sabotaged by the vaccine.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @SaneClownPosse

    Has little to do with China, or a mystery virus.

    2019 Flu season numbers were normal.

    2020 Minimal numbers for Flu.

    What changed in 2020? Where did the Flu go in 2020? On vacation? Socially isolating at the North Pole?

    Check the CDC web site for symptoms of Flu and Covid.

    The symptoms are the same.

    They lie about everything.

  53. @Reg Cæsar
    How can anyone even think about something as trivial as homicide when there are Karens on the loose? Where are our priorities, people?

    Miya Ponsetto, 22, identified as accuser in Keyon Harrold Jr. case


    "A white woman from California is the suspect..."


    Look at those lips. How is Miss Ponsetto white?


    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/digitally-enhanced-soho-karen.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1080

    Replies: @Jack D, @Charon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Sebastian Hawks, @SaneClownPosse, @Ed

    She looks like a troll.

  54. @AKAHorace
    So for this year so far, the average american is slightly more likely to die of Covid-19 than the average St Loiusan (?) is to be murdered ?

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    More likely to die of an attack of thuggery, than an attack of super flu.

  55. @theMann
    I am sorry, but is the escalation of Blacks shooting each other a bad thing in the long run? These are overwhelmingly criminals shooting other criminals, and their families, so here is the reality check:


    The only thing that stops a criminal from being a criminal is death or lifetime Incarceration. Every Black thug popping another Black thug at the age of Twenty or so is a measurable decrease in Violent Crime long term - it is measurable in the dozens, to hundreds, of crimes that thug would have committed if he had lived a normal lifespan.

    Simple fact: the more Blacks shoot each other to smithereens, the more the rest of Society will be made safer in the long term. If TPTB want to all live out in Cloud Cuckoo Land over the nature of Black behavior, well, reality is going to assert itself one way or another.

    Replies: @Odin

    These are overwhelmingly criminals shooting other criminals and their families

    Has anyone figured out the demographic effect of a shift to zero shootings and zero abortions?

  56. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks so much Steve Sailer for being a great cutting edge exposer of the terrible fake news, cult marxist “Movement” BLM BlackLIESMatter

    I’d like to make a solid donation directly to Steve Sailer (I give to Vdare).

    I can make a Zelle network payment.

    I’d like to be able to e-mail or talk occasionally to Steve Sailer also David Cole – you know, as a donor. Steve Sailer do you ever contact, acknowledge your contributors/fans?

  57. @Wade Hampton
    @Anonymous

    Of course the BLM/Antifa brownshirts got their 2020 marching orders from their Oberscharführers in DNC to ramp up the violence to scare the electorate enough to vote for Dementia Joe.

    But killing scores of inner cities blacks wasn't strictly speaking necessary, because as Dementia Joe pointed out since the DNC had the most diverse vote fraud organization in history.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Lurker

    But killing scores of inner cities blacks wasn’t strictly speaking necessary, because as Dementia Joe pointed out since the DNC had the most diverse vote fraud organization in history.

    They certainly exploited the COVID pandemic. But unless the US is stuck in various lockdowns for the next few years it’s unlikely they could pull this off repeatedly at this scale.

  58. @Anon
    There is a a simple thing that can be done to help correct the problem. Let blacks who have been shot bleed out. Emergency responders should take plenty of time, and hospitals should just give them a painkiller and stick 'em away in a room to die. Most blacks who have been shot have a history of previous felonies. They're no loss.

    This way hospitals don't ruin their finances on extremely expensive live-saving surgery and rehab, which blacks never pay for, and the black criminals never get the chance to commit another crime again, thus easing the burdening our legal system and jails. What's more, we've very likely gotten rid of a welfare parasite who doesn't deserve the money, thus lightening the load on the finances of our overstrained cities.

    Problem solved. It's a win-win situation for our cities, legal system, jails, hospitals, and taxpayers who support these parasites. The whole country would benefit with the removal of these people. Crime in cities and even black areas would start dropping. Violent, criminal blacks would disappear from the gene pool.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @AnotherDad

    A bettor solution would be to make sure that only black doctors, nurses, paramedics etc deal with black gun shot victims.

    • LOL: duncsbaby
    • Replies: @clyde
    @James Speaks


    A bettor solution would be to make sure that only black doctors, nurses, paramedics etc deal with black gun shot victims.
     
    Better yet bring in the black and Hispanic janitors and mopping up crews to do the operations.
  59. @Wade Hampton
    @Anonymous

    Of course the BLM/Antifa brownshirts got their 2020 marching orders from their Oberscharführers in DNC to ramp up the violence to scare the electorate enough to vote for Dementia Joe.

    But killing scores of inner cities blacks wasn't strictly speaking necessary, because as Dementia Joe pointed out since the DNC had the most diverse vote fraud organization in history.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Lurker

    Of course the BLM/Antifa brownshirts got their 2020 marching orders from their Oberscharführers in DNC

    Brownshirts?

    Why are you covering for commies and fellow travellers?

  60. Has anyone studied how police departures lead to the “second wave” effect?

    I’d think that a wave of extreme anti-police hatred taking hold among 30% of the folks police come into contact with would dramatically increase departures among cops who are most beneficial in such environments…….while remaining police are more likely to think of potential new ways to profit in the new atmosphere.

  61. @Anon
    There is a a simple thing that can be done to help correct the problem. Let blacks who have been shot bleed out. Emergency responders should take plenty of time, and hospitals should just give them a painkiller and stick 'em away in a room to die. Most blacks who have been shot have a history of previous felonies. They're no loss.

    This way hospitals don't ruin their finances on extremely expensive live-saving surgery and rehab, which blacks never pay for, and the black criminals never get the chance to commit another crime again, thus easing the burdening our legal system and jails. What's more, we've very likely gotten rid of a welfare parasite who doesn't deserve the money, thus lightening the load on the finances of our overstrained cities.

    Problem solved. It's a win-win situation for our cities, legal system, jails, hospitals, and taxpayers who support these parasites. The whole country would benefit with the removal of these people. Crime in cities and even black areas would start dropping. Violent, criminal blacks would disappear from the gene pool.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @AnotherDad

    There is a a simple thing that can be done to help correct the problem.

    Separate nations.

    Jewish ideologues–who finance and run the super-state party–i.e. the Democrats–have propagated the minoritarian–majorities (white gentiles) oppressive/evil; minorities oppressed/virtuous–ideology. This has been done to break the cohesiveness of the white majority, end republican/majority-rule government in favor of elite control and impose a minoritarian ethos.

    Let those people live with and manage their black pets without the right to boss around and loot white (and other) people who aren’t interested.

    I’m happy to live my life with the 100 million+ folks who still value an America rooted in Western Christian civilization with republican government and federalism and our traditional Anglo-Saxon liberties.

    Let everyone vote themselves as either a citizen of “Rainbow” or “America”–or for that matter “Wakanda”, “Libertarianaria” whatever–and we separate out.

    • Thanks: James Speaks
  62. @Wilkey
    @Anonymous


    Steve- You note Obama’s impact on the first Ferguson effect in 2014. Who was President in 2020, for the second Ferguson effect?
     
    The question isn't who was president, but who was responsible.

    Two of the four cops in the George Floyd arrest were minorities - one black, one Asian. The Chief of Police in Minneapolis was/is black. The mayor is a Democrat. Every single member of the city council is either a Democrat or Green Party - not a single Republican among them. The Attorney General of Minnesota is black and Democrat. The governor of Minnesota is a Democrat. All of the politicians and even corporations - remember all those companies with "Black Lives Matter" banners on their websites, or in their advertising emails? - were the ones inciting and making excuses for protests and rioting in the middle of a pandemic, even after it was clear that many protests were going to turn violent. They were the ones telling blacks they were oppressed and routinely brutalized by police. They were the ones advocating defunding the police. They were the ones telling cops they would be thrown to the wolves if they had to shoot or kill a black perp in the line of duty.

    Barack Obama actively incited the BLM riots. He actively encouraged blacks to believe that most blacks killed by cops were killed unjustly. He encouraged it even after it was quite clear that it was driving up murder rates. He encouraged it and excused it even after two cops were killed in New York and five in Dallas at the hands of BLM thugs, who aren't nearly as well remembered as that one jackass in Charlottesville who killed one person.

    Donald Trump didn't encourage any of it. And what's more, if Obama hadn't several years encouraging BLM thuggery it's unlikely Trump would have ever been president. Trump won in 2016 by such a narrow margin that it's quite likely he would not have won it all without all the BLM anarchy taking place.

    Replies: @Sebastian Hawks, @AnotherDad

    The question isn’t who was president, but who was responsible.

    Exactly.

    The BLM big lie and all the violence, looting, destruction and murder that flow from it are the responsibility of the minoritarian spouting creeps in Big Media, Big Academia and Big Government–Democrats and, of course, secondarily their thug foot soldiers actually doing it–also Democrats.

  63. @Wilkey
    @Lot


    Given that blacks offend at an even higher rate, the lifetime incidence of committing homicide for black males is also well over 5%, higher still in St Louis.
     
    Blacks are also more likely to commit murders in groups. Most usually it's in the form of armed robbery that goes wrong, but there are also the gang shootouts and even gang rapes where they decide it's probably better if the victim (or victims) wasn't left to identify them to police. It could very well be the case that there are more black murderers than there are victims of black murderers.

    Whites seldom seem to commit such crimes in groups.

    Some of the most brutal and/or bizarre murders have involved gangs of black thugs. There's an old but still famous (and infamous) case in my state where a group of black Air Force enlistees (at least three, but perhaps as many as six) robbed a hifi stereo shop, took the employees and several of their family members hostage, tortured them, raped one of them (an attractive 18-year-old employee), forced them to swallow Liquid Drano, then shot them and left them to die. A 16-year-old boy who barely survived - a bright kid from a family of doctors - had to have his esophagus removed and replaced with a section of his intestine.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    The Hi-Fi murders happened in 1974. Would you be surprised that I’ve never heard of this before? In the below description Orren Walker was one of the victims, Pierre and Andrews were the robbers/murderers/rapist. I wonder how many New York Times articles are written about this atrocity? Oh, I know, this was all just random. Nothing to do with race.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Fi_murders#Murder,_torture,_and_rape

    With five people now held hostage in the basement, Pierre told Andrews to get something from their van. Andrews returned with a bottle in a brown paper bag, from which Pierre poured a cup of blue liquid. Pierre ordered Orren to administer the liquid to the other hostages, but he refused, and was bound, gagged, and left face-down on the basement floor.

    Pierre and Andrews then propped each of the victims into sitting positions and forced them to drink the liquid, telling them it was vodka laced with sleeping pills. Rather, it was liquid Drano, that immediately caused blisters on the victims’ lips, and began burning their tongues and throats, and peeled away the flesh around their mouths. Ansley, still begging for her life, was forced to drink the drain cleaner too, although she was reported (by Orren Walker) to have coughed less than the other victims. Pierre and Andrews tried to duct tape the hostages’ mouths shut to hold quantities of drain cleaner in and to silence their screams, but the oozing blisters prevented the adhesive from sticking. Orren Walker was the last to be given the drain cleaner, but seeing what was happening to the other hostages, he allowed it to pour out of his mouth and then mimicked the convulsions and screams of his son and fellow hostages.

    Pierre became angry because the deaths were taking too long, and were too loud and messy, so he shot both Carol and Cortney Naisbitt in the backs of their heads, proving fatal for Carol but leaving Cortney alive. Pierre then shot at Orren Walker but missed. He then fatally shot Stanley before again shooting at Orren, this time grazing the back of his head.

    Pierre then took Ansley to the far corner of the basement, forced her at gunpoint to remove her clothes, then repeatedly and brutally raped her after telling Andrews to clear out for 30 minutes. When he was done, he allowed her to use the bathroom while he watched, then dragged her, still naked, back to the other hostages, threw her on her face, and fatally shot her in the back of the head. According to survivor Orren’s testimony, her last words were, “I am too young to die.”

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @duncsbaby

    Yep. Read Gary Kinder’s book, Victim: The Other Side of Murder. It’s a great book, a quick read, and one of the the rare crime novels that focuses more on the victims than on the perpetrators - but still gives you lots of good information about the perps, the crime, and the investigation.

    Its principal focus is on Cortney Naisbitt, the 16-year-old who survived after watching his mother and two others murdered. Cortney was an extremely bright kid who probably would have made something of himself. His parents were both pillars of the community. His father just passed away in November 2020 at the age of 97, a retired Ob/Gyn who probably delivered a few thousand babies during his career. Cortney was effectively the fourth person murdered by Pierre and Andrews during the robbery. It just took him 28 years to die from his injuries.

    But the kicker is this: apparently the NAACP threw a huge shit fit when the State of Utah was preparing to execute Andrews. They called it racist. One of the most heinous crimes in Utah history, and the NAACP was saying that white racism was the problem.

  64. Ferguson, Missouri, an inner suburb of St. Louis, had the misfortune of being the birthplace of the Black Lives Matter movement in August 2014,

    Often repeated but completely untrue. BLM was active in Sanford, FL, before the incident in Ferguson occurred. Why they chose to retroactively associate their creation with Saint Brown as opposed to Saint Martin I can’t say.

  65. @duncsbaby
    @Wilkey

    The Hi-Fi murders happened in 1974. Would you be surprised that I've never heard of this before? In the below description Orren Walker was one of the victims, Pierre and Andrews were the robbers/murderers/rapist. I wonder how many New York Times articles are written about this atrocity? Oh, I know, this was all just random. Nothing to do with race.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Fi_murders#Murder,_torture,_and_rape


    With five people now held hostage in the basement, Pierre told Andrews to get something from their van. Andrews returned with a bottle in a brown paper bag, from which Pierre poured a cup of blue liquid. Pierre ordered Orren to administer the liquid to the other hostages, but he refused, and was bound, gagged, and left face-down on the basement floor.

    Pierre and Andrews then propped each of the victims into sitting positions and forced them to drink the liquid, telling them it was vodka laced with sleeping pills. Rather, it was liquid Drano, that immediately caused blisters on the victims' lips, and began burning their tongues and throats, and peeled away the flesh around their mouths. Ansley, still begging for her life, was forced to drink the drain cleaner too, although she was reported (by Orren Walker) to have coughed less than the other victims. Pierre and Andrews tried to duct tape the hostages' mouths shut to hold quantities of drain cleaner in and to silence their screams, but the oozing blisters prevented the adhesive from sticking. Orren Walker was the last to be given the drain cleaner, but seeing what was happening to the other hostages, he allowed it to pour out of his mouth and then mimicked the convulsions and screams of his son and fellow hostages.

    Pierre became angry because the deaths were taking too long, and were too loud and messy, so he shot both Carol and Cortney Naisbitt in the backs of their heads, proving fatal for Carol but leaving Cortney alive. Pierre then shot at Orren Walker but missed. He then fatally shot Stanley before again shooting at Orren, this time grazing the back of his head.

    Pierre then took Ansley to the far corner of the basement, forced her at gunpoint to remove her clothes, then repeatedly and brutally raped her after telling Andrews to clear out for 30 minutes. When he was done, he allowed her to use the bathroom while he watched, then dragged her, still naked, back to the other hostages, threw her on her face, and fatally shot her in the back of the head. According to survivor Orren's testimony, her last words were, "I am too young to die."
     

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Yep. Read Gary Kinder’s book, Victim: The Other Side of Murder. It’s a great book, a quick read, and one of the the rare crime novels that focuses more on the victims than on the perpetrators – but still gives you lots of good information about the perps, the crime, and the investigation.

    Its principal focus is on Cortney Naisbitt, the 16-year-old who survived after watching his mother and two others murdered. Cortney was an extremely bright kid who probably would have made something of himself. His parents were both pillars of the community. His father just passed away in November 2020 at the age of 97, a retired Ob/Gyn who probably delivered a few thousand babies during his career. Cortney was effectively the fourth person murdered by Pierre and Andrews during the robbery. It just took him 28 years to die from his injuries.

    But the kicker is this: apparently the NAACP threw a huge shit fit when the State of Utah was preparing to execute Andrews. They called it racist. One of the most heinous crimes in Utah history, and the NAACP was saying that white racism was the problem.

    • Thanks: duncsbaby
  66. @James Speaks
    @Anon

    A bettor solution would be to make sure that only black doctors, nurses, paramedics etc deal with black gun shot victims.

    Replies: @clyde

    A bettor solution would be to make sure that only black doctors, nurses, paramedics etc deal with black gun shot victims.

    Better yet bring in the black and Hispanic janitors and mopping up crews to do the operations.

  67. On the bright side…

    ‘On the last day of 2020, St. Louis leaders read 262 names aloud from a church podium — each name representing a person killed in the city over the previous 12 months…’

    Most of those would be young black males.

    I wonder how many? If the ratio was high enough, offering marksmanship classes and emphasizing the inviolability of the Second Amendment even in the inner city might serve to bring about an ultimate reduction in the crime rate.

    If we help Javontis Q HabitualCriminal to off himself more often and sooner, obviously the total volume of crime inflicted on the rest of us could fall, depending on the exact figures.

    …Of course, on the other hand, there is that warm fuzzy feeling that comes from knowing that in the ultimate confrontation, we’re the only side that can shoot straight.

    It’s a poser. Maybe withhold the marksmanship classes.

  68. I don’t get it. Blacks murder blacks. And this is caused by BLM? Now, if blacks were murdering whites, then that would make sense, and it would fit with BLM. But not blacks murdering blacks.

    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @obwandiyag


    I don’t get it. Blacks murder blacks. And this is caused by BLM?
     
    The argument is that BLM instigated anti-police riots and fanned the flames of hatred against the police. BLM browbeat city officials to order the police to basically stand down and stop enforcing the law against blacks.
    That, combined with high profile prosecutions of beat cops, has led the police to stay the hell out of black neighborhoods and to stop enforcing the law there. When the police withdraw you have a wild west situation and thugs take over the streets. The street thugs murder each other.
    This results in a large increase in black on black murder.
    The argument is true, and has been made here many times by Steve and others. If you disagree why don't you give specifics and try to make a real rebuttal instead of feigning ignorance?
    , @Too Long Didn't Read
    @obwandiyag

    I don’t get it.

    Thus summing up every comment you make.

  69. You never want to go second ferguson on the Sailer curve…

  70. @obwandiyag
    I don't get it. Blacks murder blacks. And this is caused by BLM? Now, if blacks were murdering whites, then that would make sense, and it would fit with BLM. But not blacks murdering blacks.

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Too Long Didn't Read

    I don’t get it. Blacks murder blacks. And this is caused by BLM?

    The argument is that BLM instigated anti-police riots and fanned the flames of hatred against the police. BLM browbeat city officials to order the police to basically stand down and stop enforcing the law against blacks.
    That, combined with high profile prosecutions of beat cops, has led the police to stay the hell out of black neighborhoods and to stop enforcing the law there. When the police withdraw you have a wild west situation and thugs take over the streets. The street thugs murder each other.
    This results in a large increase in black on black murder.
    The argument is true, and has been made here many times by Steve and others. If you disagree why don’t you give specifics and try to make a real rebuttal instead of feigning ignorance?

  71. @Reg Cæsar
    How can anyone even think about something as trivial as homicide when there are Karens on the loose? Where are our priorities, people?

    Miya Ponsetto, 22, identified as accuser in Keyon Harrold Jr. case


    "A white woman from California is the suspect..."


    Look at those lips. How is Miss Ponsetto white?


    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/12/digitally-enhanced-soho-karen.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1080

    Replies: @Jack D, @Charon, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Sebastian Hawks, @SaneClownPosse, @Ed

    It’s funny she’s handling this nonsense better than most people. She isn’t ducking from the cameras. There’s a clip of her being harassed by TMZ photographers as she’s getting out of a SUV. Can’t hear the question but as snaps back that “actually I’m Puerto Rican” and off edge goes.

    It’s funny the NY Post supposedly a conservative paper has chased her down from NY to California and has run daily front page articles. It’s a lead story on their site this AM.

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/02/soho-karen-miya-ponsetto-has-history-of-going-berserk-in-hotels/

  72. @Wilkey

    On the last day of 2020, St. Louis leaders read 262 names aloud from a church podium — each name representing a person killed in the city over the previous 12 months.
     
    This is incredible. St Louis's population is only about 320,000 people, perhaps less, and (as someone notes above) only about half that population is black.

    I live in Utah, which is almost 10-11 times larger than St. Louis. Utah just had a record number of 103 murders this year, though justified cop shootings and a few other questionable deaths get lumped in with that. The last record number was also roughly around the time of the Ferguson effect, in 2016, when we had 90.

    If Utah had the same murder rate as St. Louis we would have had 2,600-2,900 murders last year. That's an insane number to wrap one's head around. By comparison we've had less than 400 deaths from COVID.

    So the death rate from murder in many black cities is far higher than the death rate from a virus that has been used as an excuse for the government to literally shut much of the country down and take on trillions in new debt.

    Incredible.

    When someone ever again throws the words "white flight" or "segregation" in your face, point out to them that the death rate from black murderers is way higher than the death rate from COVID, and watch the look on their faces as it sinks in.

    Replies: @Ed

    A good comparison is to compare black murder cities to Boston and El Paso.

    You really begin to see not only the difference in murder numbers but also policing costs.

    Baltimore and Boston are roughly the same size in population and in area.

    The Baltimore police budget is 20% highly than Boston’s police budget, 500M vs 400M. There are 2500 police officers in Baltimore vs 2100 in Boston.

    Boston has about 50-60 murders a year. Baltimore 300. Boston is about 25% black & Baltimore 70% black.

    Still even with only 50 some odd murders the vast majority are black with Hispanics, the blacker type, rounding out the total.

    https://www.universalhub.com/yir/2020/murders

  73. @obwandiyag
    I don't get it. Blacks murder blacks. And this is caused by BLM? Now, if blacks were murdering whites, then that would make sense, and it would fit with BLM. But not blacks murdering blacks.

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Too Long Didn't Read

    I don’t get it.

    Thus summing up every comment you make.

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