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I can recall reading a few decades ago that St. Cloud, Minnesota, a small city 66 miles northwest of Minneapolis, then had the lowest crime rate in the U.S.. But St. Cloud is putting its hateful white-bread, plain vanilla past behind it.

From CNN:

ISIS wing claims responsibility for Minnesota mall attack
By Chandrika Narayan and Steve Visser, CNN
Updated 9:11 PM ET, Sun September 18, 2016

The man who stabbed nine people at a Minnesota mall Saturday before being shot dead by an off-duty police officer was a “soldier of the Islamic state,” according to an ISIS-linked news agency….

Fortunately, the Frontlash has gone into action:

Community leaders fear anti-Muslim backlash, call for unity

In response to local reports identifying the attacker as being of Somali descent, members of the Muslim and Somali communities held a news conference Sunday expressing their grief for the victims and calling for unity.

“We are also concerned about the potential backlash,” said Jaylani Hussein, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) chapter in Minnesota. “We understand in St. Cloud there is more anti-Muslim organizing and we hope they do not use this incident to divide … our community.”

 
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  1. The guy wants to be an Islamic terrorist and yet cannot get a gun ?

    Forced to use a knife for a mass killing ?

    Argument for gun control. Or am I missing something. I thought that if you lived in the US getting a gun would be no problem.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @AKAHorace


    The guy wants to be an Islamic terrorist and yet cannot get a gun ?

    Forced to use a knife for a mass killing ?
     
    It's a Stone Age culture. Don't know how to use a toilet . . . or a gun.
  2. The front lash was so far out ahead of the backlash that it gave me whiplash.

  3. >“We understand in St. Cloud there is more anti-Muslim organizing and we hope they do not use this incident to divide <

    tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock………. !

  4. As Steve has pointed out, frontlashing is a particularly invidious form of blaming the victim.

    It also occurs to me that it is an index of the strength of the Narrative/Megaphone. A healthy media culture would not be so quick to worry so much about the perpetrators of crimes of mass violence or the communities from which they come–particularly while the blood of victims is still flowing or the fires are still hot.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Percy Gryce


    It also occurs to me that it is an index of the strength of the Narrative/Megaphone.
     
    Indeed. Who has immunity tells you who has the power.

    After such events, the Goodthinkers can cut and paste a paraphrase of General Casey's comments after the Fort Hood shootings:

    "Citizens thinking bad thoughts could potentially heighten backlash against some of our protected groups. And what happened here was a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here. And it's not just about this protected group. We have a very diverse army. We have a very diverse society. And that gives us all strength."

  5. “We understand in St. Cloud there is more anti-Muslim organizing and we hope they do not use this incident to divide … our community.”

    A Muslim stabs a bunch of White people and it’s White people that are dividing the community, not Muslims This is some Onion shit.

    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @415 reasons
    @Jefferson

    Dividing people's skin and organs, I suppose.

    I propose we keep the Somali community of St. Cloud intact, first on a series of buses to MSP and then on chartered 747s heading for Mogadishu.

  6. Frontlash is confusing. Even Google doesn’t know what to make of the term.

    What is frontlash? The victimized retaliate unjustly against their presumed (but innocent) victimizer?

    I can detect “frontlash” in news articles that present the victimizer group as the “victim” . But what is the concise definition?

    • Replies: @the cruncher
    @Trelane

    It's getting out ahead of the presumed /backlash/. Eg a muslim blows stuff up, and the politicians first words are about how we must not blame Islam, must not be less welcoming to refugees, or as in this case, must not let it divide us. Ie it's to squelch the natural reaction of the victims.

    , @guest
    @Trelane

    Frontlash is preemption of backlash.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Trelane

    incident-backlash = consequences for perp
    incident-frontlash = consequences for victim

    As Sailer imparted his anti-viral influence on the term, it will take a decade or so before it catches on. Around the time the US is imploding...

  7. A Somali. Who would have ever guessed that?

  8. “Community leaders fear anti-Muslim backlash.” If they fear a backlash, maybe they could ease up on the terrorism. The Methodists never fear a backlash.

  9. Sure with these Somalis we have to put up with an occasional terror attack but we get an unproductive population on welfare.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    @Cwhatfuture

    They're also petty criminals, too! Truly a blessing.

    I've long proposed that those Lutheran church moms who wanted to bring them to Minneapolis should have to first sign up to house a Somali family in their rumpus room in Edina. Somehow I feel like there would be a lot less Somalis in Minnesota if they avoided that precondition.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @bomag

  10. Part-time police officer Jason Falconer was very well prepared for the event at the mall. In fact, he may have been over-qualified. Here is his profile, from the website of the training facility he runs:

    Jason Falconer is the President and Owner of Tactical Advantage and has also been operating Tactical Advantage Firearms Training, Inc., since 2003. Tactical Advantage currently concentrates on firearms training for individuals in a group or private setting, including permit to carry training classes in Minnesota. Jason has also created advanced and customized classes for individuals who desire more advanced safety training. As a consulting member of SMEAC, Jason specializes in reality-based firearms, law enforcement and personal security training. His business has grown primarily through student referrals, and he takes great pride in providing the best training options available in Central MN.

    Jason believes everyone can always learn something new, no matter what their expertise or discipline. That is why continued education and training has been a strong personal interest of his. As a result, he has attended some of the best firearms training schools in the United States. His goal is to teach individuals the mindset, knowledge and skills needed to be successful with firearms in order to secure their personal safety or that of their family; at home or in public. As a firearm training professional, he continuously researches and develops new curriculum and training methods to make the experience for his students the best they can get.

    Since 2008, Jason has been assisting Ted Boran with St. Cloud State University Law Enforcement Skills Training in the disciplines of decision shooting and dynamic entry. He intends to use this experience to further develop the curriculum to help law enforcement professionals and responsible citizens the benefits of reality-based training. Jason believes that although civilian and law enforcement students can obtain great firearms training from various sources, they are missing a key component in their personal safety training if that training is not reality-based.

    Jason has a law enforcement background and is the former Police Chief of the Albany Police Department where he continues to serve as a part-time officer. Jason also serves as the department’s firearms instructor, and has created POST Board approved firearms training curriculum.

    Jason has been a member of the United States Practical Shooters Association (USPSA) as well as a local club, St. Cloud Area Practical Shooters Association (SCAPSA) for many years. He competes at the SCAPSA outdoor range in matches and league competitions year-round, and has attained several league championships in various divisions. Jason is an avid three-gun competitor and has been privileged to participate on shooting squads at various 3-gun and tactical shotgun matches with professional shooters such as James Casanova, Rob Romero, Mark Harnish, Janson Jensen, Mark Miller, and Dave Neth. In June 2012, St. Cloud hosted the CAN-AM Games for Law Enforcement and Firefighters from around the world. Jason was fortunate to compete in various Can-Am events including two of his passions, shooting sports and ice hockey. For his efforts, as well as his team members, Jason earned six Can-Am medals, five for shooting events, and one for hockey. This was a tremendous experience to be treasured.

    Incidentally, the sign at the entrance of the mall reads:

    Code of Conduct

    While visiting this mall, the following general activities will not be accepted:

    Violations of the law
    Any activity that threatens the safety of our guests, tenants and/or employees
    Any activity that threatens the well-being of the property
    Any activity that disrupts our pleasant, family-oriented shopping environment
    Any activity inconsistent with the general purpose of the property, which is shopping, dining, visiting theaters or offices for business purposes
    Any activity that would disrupt the legitimate business of the property and its tenants

    Examples of specific activities that are prohibited include but are not limited to:

    Disruptive profanity, vulgar or threatening language
    Unnecessarily blocking walkways, roadways or storefronts
    Running, horseplay or disorderly conduct of any nature
    Excessive loitering
    Operating unauthorized recreational and/or personal transportation devices in the shopping center
    No firearms or illegal weapons

    It’s shocking how many of these rules the mall stabber violated.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Harry Baldwin

    "It’s shocking how many of these rules the mall stabber violated."

    Diversity/Islam trumps the rule of law. The rule of law should never trump Islam/diversity, that's not who we are as Americans. What are you a basket of deplorables?

    Replies: @AKAHorace

    , @Anonym
    @Harry Baldwin

    It would be nice to see an actual backlash. Especially an official, Israeli style backlash of the bulldozer variety. Mosque, home, relative's homes. The only problem with this is that it will just inhibit Muslims from being themselves until they increase their demographic some more. How to best get the will of the average voter to want to repatriate them? That is a good question.

    , @Anonymous
    @Harry Baldwin

    Did Jason violate the no firearms rule?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Twinkie

    , @International Jew
    @Harry Baldwin

    Oh man, that dirtbag sure picked the wrong mall to attack.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Harry Baldwin

    I hope the "shooter" gets a big bump to his business from this. Talk about proof of concept!!

  11. I knew he was Somali before his knife hit the ground. Somalis are the world’s worst immigrants but they somehow magically get entree into the US, Canada, England, Australia. All have large Somali populations. I don’t get it. You would think that “Black Hawk Down” would have killed their chances. Instead it increased them.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Clyde

    I don't get it either. Yet they never seem to go to Israel, although that country is much closer to them then any of the other places. Hmmm....

    Replies: @International Jew, @Karl

    , @415 reasons
    @Clyde

    Since the purpose of refugees seems to be virtue signaling by wicked elite morons, Somalis are actually perfect immigrants. Extremely low IQ, unassimilatable, don't work, commit petty property crime, violent crime AND are predisposed to domestic terrorism, going abroad for terrorism, and terror funding. If you can turn the other cheek to a Somali community that harasses your women, mugs your old folks, fights with your local African American community, sends money to Al Shabab, goes to Syria to fight for ISIS, and now brings terror to your own backyard, you've proved you are truly a clueless idiot. In other words, you will have proved you are not a racist(tm) and a good person.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @Harold
    @Clyde

    A corollary of Auster’s First Law?

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @Anonymous Nephew
    @Clyde

    The UK presence is in part down to EU freedom of movement. Holland (and Denmark) gave asylum to large numbers, but to aid integration and prevent the formation of ghettoes spread them out over the country. When they realised that in the UK they could all cluster together and make no attempt at integration, then naturally "frustrated Somalis flee Holland for the freedom of Britain" .

    "It's not that the British are more friendly than the Dutch, it is just that they let us stay as we are."

    The author, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, is the son of a famous anthropologist specialising in Africa, but he doesn't seem to have learned much from his dad.

    "Academic studies estimate that there are now 70,000 to 100,000 Somalis in Britain. Officially the figure is 20,000."

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @Brutusale
    @Clyde

    Kahneman and Tversky would say you're not rational.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Clyde


    I knew he was Somali before his knife hit the ground. Somalis are the world’s worst immigrants but they somehow magically get entree into the US, Canada, England, Australia. All have large Somali populations. I don’t get it. You would think that “Black Hawk Down” would have killed their chances. Instead it increased them.
     
    Exactly--combine black and muslim and tribal. They have the magic elixir of traits to take nice whitopias--like Maine and Minnesota--and make them primitive tribal dystopias.

    You would think that “Black Hawk Down” would have killed their chances. Instead it increased them.
     
    It's the reigning ideology: blank slatism, "rub their noses in diversity" and save-the-worldism. In response to 911, we ... radically increased muslim immigration to the US! To prove we weren't raciss. Or to show muslims that our culture was really wonderful. Or ... something.

    If you want your ethnic group to have entree to the US, you merely need to screw up your own place, impoverish yourselves and create violent conflict--and we'll prove our superior virtue by waving you in!
  12. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

  13. “We are also concerned about the potential backlash,” said Jaylani Hussein, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) chapter in Minnesota. “We understand in St. Cloud there is more anti-Muslim organizing and we hope they do not use this incident to divide … our community.”
    No need to worry about that. Doesn’t Mr. Hussein watch the news? This is all Trumps fault. Blame him.

  14. Anonymous [AKA "MinMan"] says:

    Other Minnesota news of interest, Somali activist, Ilhan Omar won the primary for the State House in a Minneapolis district. However it appears that she married her brother to get him into the country illegally, while also being married to another man. Its Minneapolis, so she will be elected. The history of Phyllis Khan the 44 year incumbent who she upset in the primary might also be of interest.

    http://www.startribune.com/marriage-discrepancy-clouds-ilhan-omar-s-historic-primary-victory/390247381/

    In other Minnesota news, it looks like California just passed Minnesota and Virginia as the Female Genital Mutilation capital of the US. I’m sure feminists will address this as soon as Haven is finally behind bars.

    http://www.newsweek.com/fgm-rates-have-doubled-us-2004-304773

  15. @Harry Baldwin
    Part-time police officer Jason Falconer was very well prepared for the event at the mall. In fact, he may have been over-qualified. Here is his profile, from the website of the training facility he runs:

    Jason Falconer is the President and Owner of Tactical Advantage and has also been operating Tactical Advantage Firearms Training, Inc., since 2003. Tactical Advantage currently concentrates on firearms training for individuals in a group or private setting, including permit to carry training classes in Minnesota. Jason has also created advanced and customized classes for individuals who desire more advanced safety training. As a consulting member of SMEAC, Jason specializes in reality-based firearms, law enforcement and personal security training. His business has grown primarily through student referrals, and he takes great pride in providing the best training options available in Central MN.

    Jason believes everyone can always learn something new, no matter what their expertise or discipline. That is why continued education and training has been a strong personal interest of his. As a result, he has attended some of the best firearms training schools in the United States. His goal is to teach individuals the mindset, knowledge and skills needed to be successful with firearms in order to secure their personal safety or that of their family; at home or in public. As a firearm training professional, he continuously researches and develops new curriculum and training methods to make the experience for his students the best they can get.

    Since 2008, Jason has been assisting Ted Boran with St. Cloud State University Law Enforcement Skills Training in the disciplines of decision shooting and dynamic entry. He intends to use this experience to further develop the curriculum to help law enforcement professionals and responsible citizens the benefits of reality-based training. Jason believes that although civilian and law enforcement students can obtain great firearms training from various sources, they are missing a key component in their personal safety training if that training is not reality-based.

    Jason has a law enforcement background and is the former Police Chief of the Albany Police Department where he continues to serve as a part-time officer. Jason also serves as the department’s firearms instructor, and has created POST Board approved firearms training curriculum.

    Jason has been a member of the United States Practical Shooters Association (USPSA) as well as a local club, St. Cloud Area Practical Shooters Association (SCAPSA) for many years. He competes at the SCAPSA outdoor range in matches and league competitions year-round, and has attained several league championships in various divisions. Jason is an avid three-gun competitor and has been privileged to participate on shooting squads at various 3-gun and tactical shotgun matches with professional shooters such as James Casanova, Rob Romero, Mark Harnish, Janson Jensen, Mark Miller, and Dave Neth. In June 2012, St. Cloud hosted the CAN-AM Games for Law Enforcement and Firefighters from around the world. Jason was fortunate to compete in various Can-Am events including two of his passions, shooting sports and ice hockey. For his efforts, as well as his team members, Jason earned six Can-Am medals, five for shooting events, and one for hockey. This was a tremendous experience to be treasured.
     

    Incidentally, the sign at the entrance of the mall reads:

    Code of Conduct

    While visiting this mall, the following general activities will not be accepted:

    Violations of the law
    Any activity that threatens the safety of our guests, tenants and/or employees
    Any activity that threatens the well-being of the property
    Any activity that disrupts our pleasant, family-oriented shopping environment
    Any activity inconsistent with the general purpose of the property, which is shopping, dining, visiting theaters or offices for business purposes
    Any activity that would disrupt the legitimate business of the property and its tenants

    Examples of specific activities that are prohibited include but are not limited to:

    Disruptive profanity, vulgar or threatening language
    Unnecessarily blocking walkways, roadways or storefronts
    Running, horseplay or disorderly conduct of any nature
    Excessive loitering
    Operating unauthorized recreational and/or personal transportation devices in the shopping center
    No firearms or illegal weapons

     

    It's shocking how many of these rules the mall stabber violated.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Anonym, @Anonymous, @International Jew, @Chrisnonymous

    “It’s shocking how many of these rules the mall stabber violated.”

    Diversity/Islam trumps the rule of law. The rule of law should never trump Islam/diversity, that’s not who we are as Americans. What are you a basket of deplorables?

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
    @Jefferson

    Muslim terrorist respects gun free zone. Tries to kill people with a knife.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  16. St. Cloud is a part of Michelle Bachmann’s old congressional district, a basically conservative place home to an extraordinary number of German Catholics. The rarity of Protestants there has somehow not stopped Lutheran Social Services (not really Lutheran, 90% government funded) from dumping thousands of sullen Somalis there in the past 10 years to the extreme disapproval of the locals.

    On a similar, weirder note there is a tiny town in western Minnesota that has inexplicably become majority Micronesian (“Micros”, the kids call them) in the last 5 years. They add vibrancy, a insightful local writer believes:
    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2013/08/16/ground-level-american-countryside-milan

    I am really starting to think Minnesotans do not understand that Trump’s Muslim or refugee ban would keep Somalis out. Someone needs to sit them down and work out explicitly that Somali=Muslim=banned under Trump’s immigration plan.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Halvorson

    "I am really starting to think Minnesotans do not understand that Trump’s Muslim or refugee ban would keep Somalis out. Someone needs to sit them down and work out explicitly that Somali=Muslim=banned under Trump’s immigration plan."

    Do most Whites in Minnesota think Somalis are Christians or some other variety of Non Muslim like Atheists?

    Do Somali women in Minnesota dress like Western women? Maybe that's where the confusion comes from.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Harry Baldwin, @Reg Cæsar

    , @guest
    @Halvorson

    Yeah, I went to college in St. Cloud. I can't tell you how much misery it caused the professors to live in the land of Bachmann. It was especially bad in 2002, when Paul Wellstone died and Republicans won both houses of Congress. That was some sweet schadenfreude.

    , @(((Owen)))
    @Halvorson

    The Minnesotans appear to like the Somalis and want more of them. I think they especially like seeing their children beaten, robbed, raped, and killed.

    They're voting for Hillary and preferred Rubio in the primary. Trump came in third.

    I say, send them all the Moslems from my local community and the rest of the country. That's what they want. Then fence off the whole state and give the frozen waste to Canada.

    , @Hibernian
    @Halvorson

    Martin Luther's revenge, 500 years later.

  17. The way the initial news reports made it sound last night was that Muslims were being attacked. I’m sure this predictable result is a disappointment to the local press.

    My impression from talking to people from Minnesota is that a majority of the Minnesota nice proles are ready for the refugee racket to end, but their elites will have none of that. I don’t get the impression that voting in Minnesota Republicans would help much either.

  18. @Harry Baldwin
    Part-time police officer Jason Falconer was very well prepared for the event at the mall. In fact, he may have been over-qualified. Here is his profile, from the website of the training facility he runs:

    Jason Falconer is the President and Owner of Tactical Advantage and has also been operating Tactical Advantage Firearms Training, Inc., since 2003. Tactical Advantage currently concentrates on firearms training for individuals in a group or private setting, including permit to carry training classes in Minnesota. Jason has also created advanced and customized classes for individuals who desire more advanced safety training. As a consulting member of SMEAC, Jason specializes in reality-based firearms, law enforcement and personal security training. His business has grown primarily through student referrals, and he takes great pride in providing the best training options available in Central MN.

    Jason believes everyone can always learn something new, no matter what their expertise or discipline. That is why continued education and training has been a strong personal interest of his. As a result, he has attended some of the best firearms training schools in the United States. His goal is to teach individuals the mindset, knowledge and skills needed to be successful with firearms in order to secure their personal safety or that of their family; at home or in public. As a firearm training professional, he continuously researches and develops new curriculum and training methods to make the experience for his students the best they can get.

    Since 2008, Jason has been assisting Ted Boran with St. Cloud State University Law Enforcement Skills Training in the disciplines of decision shooting and dynamic entry. He intends to use this experience to further develop the curriculum to help law enforcement professionals and responsible citizens the benefits of reality-based training. Jason believes that although civilian and law enforcement students can obtain great firearms training from various sources, they are missing a key component in their personal safety training if that training is not reality-based.

    Jason has a law enforcement background and is the former Police Chief of the Albany Police Department where he continues to serve as a part-time officer. Jason also serves as the department’s firearms instructor, and has created POST Board approved firearms training curriculum.

    Jason has been a member of the United States Practical Shooters Association (USPSA) as well as a local club, St. Cloud Area Practical Shooters Association (SCAPSA) for many years. He competes at the SCAPSA outdoor range in matches and league competitions year-round, and has attained several league championships in various divisions. Jason is an avid three-gun competitor and has been privileged to participate on shooting squads at various 3-gun and tactical shotgun matches with professional shooters such as James Casanova, Rob Romero, Mark Harnish, Janson Jensen, Mark Miller, and Dave Neth. In June 2012, St. Cloud hosted the CAN-AM Games for Law Enforcement and Firefighters from around the world. Jason was fortunate to compete in various Can-Am events including two of his passions, shooting sports and ice hockey. For his efforts, as well as his team members, Jason earned six Can-Am medals, five for shooting events, and one for hockey. This was a tremendous experience to be treasured.
     

    Incidentally, the sign at the entrance of the mall reads:

    Code of Conduct

    While visiting this mall, the following general activities will not be accepted:

    Violations of the law
    Any activity that threatens the safety of our guests, tenants and/or employees
    Any activity that threatens the well-being of the property
    Any activity that disrupts our pleasant, family-oriented shopping environment
    Any activity inconsistent with the general purpose of the property, which is shopping, dining, visiting theaters or offices for business purposes
    Any activity that would disrupt the legitimate business of the property and its tenants

    Examples of specific activities that are prohibited include but are not limited to:

    Disruptive profanity, vulgar or threatening language
    Unnecessarily blocking walkways, roadways or storefronts
    Running, horseplay or disorderly conduct of any nature
    Excessive loitering
    Operating unauthorized recreational and/or personal transportation devices in the shopping center
    No firearms or illegal weapons

     

    It's shocking how many of these rules the mall stabber violated.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Anonym, @Anonymous, @International Jew, @Chrisnonymous

    It would be nice to see an actual backlash. Especially an official, Israeli style backlash of the bulldozer variety. Mosque, home, relative’s homes. The only problem with this is that it will just inhibit Muslims from being themselves until they increase their demographic some more. How to best get the will of the average voter to want to repatriate them? That is a good question.

  19. The political tensions and polarizations of 2016 remind me all too much of 1968 and 1969, which were hell to live through. I was a college kid at the time, decidedly to the left, but even I didn’t like the choices I was given. “You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem,” was repeated ad nauseam — a false choice I thought, especially when the “solution” being touted was a revolution led by Marxist-Leninists.

    Five decades later, we are presented with either hugging Muslims or hating them. I consider this a false choice as well. Here’s the thing: I’ve hung with a good number of Muslims over the past 25 years. All of them were what I would describe as moderate everyday Muslims, some of them American converts and some of them born into Islam overseas. I think it accurate to say that none of them sympathize with ISIS or Islamism and all of them are repelled by terrorism in the name of Islam.

    However, they’ve not explicitly spoken out against terrorism because their instinct is to keep their heads down and not draw attention to themselves, either from other Muslims or non-Muslims. I think this is a mistake, because it cedes the public’s image of Muslims to the extremist maniacs.

    All that said, I do not think that Trump’s proposal to halt the immigration of more Muslims to the U.S. (until we really know where we stand) is particularly “deplorable” or “hateful”. It strikes me as simply practical and sensible. And that goes for a general moratorium on immigration as well.

    This latest outrage in St. Cloud is certainly vile, no question about that. But I do not think that it need lead to a +/- false dichotomy regarding the Muslims who are already here. In my experience, the majority of them are just everyday folks trying to fit in as best they can. The murderous crazies are the exceptions. But I have to admit that I am much less positively disposed towards Islam than I once was. And that is the biggest irony of the rabid Islamists. They are making those of us who were previously most tolerant toward Muslims have second thoughts.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Laugh Track

    All of them were what I would describe as moderate everyday Muslims, some of them American converts and some of them born into Islam overseas. I think it accurate to say that none of them sympathize with ISIS or Islamism and all of them are repelled by terrorism in the name of Islam.

    Do they acknowledge that people have a reason for not liking them, though? That's what always bugs me. That bizarre pretense that they just don't understand why ordinary citizens just don't want them around. It's nauseating.

    If you ever want to see some totally slimy behavior, try getting a Muslim to acknowledge that Muhammad did something wrong.

    , @Anon
    @Laugh Track

    The reason why most Islamic countries are run by strongmen is because all those nice Moslems insist on keeping their heads down. And on the rare occasions when they do stick their heads up, they're usually knifing or blowing people up.

    Moslems have to change.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon

    , @Anonym
    @Laugh Track

    Have you ever taken the time to read the Koran, and learn how it works? That really makes a difference. Islam is fundamentally different from Christianity. Religions share a lot of mechanisms, but the tenets are different, and have real world consequences.

    I have known a few Muslims, and they can be nice. I am very civil in the real world too, but how I would like the country run is another matter entirely, and I think few people would guess it just by talking to me. If I'm like that, Muslims can be like that too.

    A 90% Muslim country is going to be a really nasty place to be one of the 10% non-Muslims, and we are just kidding ourselves if we think the magic dirt we have is going to make it any different. It's a lot better to take some action when we are 90% or 95%.

  20. anon • Disclaimer says:

    native minnesota nice types are cucks for islam. probably already bending backwards to explain it has nothing to do with islam, religion of peace etc. the monster he created will destroy the good doctor and i will watch in a spectator capacity. enjoy your precious ethnic restaurants , weaklings !!!!

  21. Muslims seem incapable of having any empathy at all for members of any group but theirs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ben h

    How so?

    How much empathy do Americans feel toward Muslims for the millions of Muslims killed in U.S.- and Israeli-instigated wars in the past hundred years? For bombing them to smithereens?

    The empathy problem is ours, not theirs. You seem to think their blood is worth nothing.

    Replies: @anon, @Ben H, @anon, @Cwhatfuture, @iSteveFan, @Mr. Anon, @Karl

    , @Twinkie
    @Ben h


    Muslims seem incapable of having any empathy at all for members of any group but theirs.
     
    In all likelihood Islamist terrorists have killed more Muslims than non-Muslims. But that is consistent with the idea that the wider Islamic world is undergoing a civil war, something akin to the Thirty Years' War.

    Civil wars and "wars of national liberation" tend to be particularly vicious and kill more in-group members than foreign enemies (e.g. the Irish wars of independence).

    Replies: @Anonymous

  22. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “We are also concerned about the potential backlash,” said Jaylani Hussein, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) chapter in Minnesota. “We understand in St. Cloud there is more anti-Muslim organizing and we hope they do not use this incident to divide … our community.”

    Yeah, I wonder if they have any concern for how their presence in St. Cloud might be dividing and disrupting the St. Cloud community?

  23. Vulgar language, loitering and horseplay. That’s three racist micro-aggressions in the sign, right there.

  24. Whenever I start to think to myself that maybe I should think more nicely about Muslims, one of them comes along and instructs me as to how I should react to their terror attacks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    How many Muslims has the United States killed or maimed in the past 20 years? You can't see past your own nose can you?

    Replies: @anon, @Antonymous

  25. @Harry Baldwin
    Part-time police officer Jason Falconer was very well prepared for the event at the mall. In fact, he may have been over-qualified. Here is his profile, from the website of the training facility he runs:

    Jason Falconer is the President and Owner of Tactical Advantage and has also been operating Tactical Advantage Firearms Training, Inc., since 2003. Tactical Advantage currently concentrates on firearms training for individuals in a group or private setting, including permit to carry training classes in Minnesota. Jason has also created advanced and customized classes for individuals who desire more advanced safety training. As a consulting member of SMEAC, Jason specializes in reality-based firearms, law enforcement and personal security training. His business has grown primarily through student referrals, and he takes great pride in providing the best training options available in Central MN.

    Jason believes everyone can always learn something new, no matter what their expertise or discipline. That is why continued education and training has been a strong personal interest of his. As a result, he has attended some of the best firearms training schools in the United States. His goal is to teach individuals the mindset, knowledge and skills needed to be successful with firearms in order to secure their personal safety or that of their family; at home or in public. As a firearm training professional, he continuously researches and develops new curriculum and training methods to make the experience for his students the best they can get.

    Since 2008, Jason has been assisting Ted Boran with St. Cloud State University Law Enforcement Skills Training in the disciplines of decision shooting and dynamic entry. He intends to use this experience to further develop the curriculum to help law enforcement professionals and responsible citizens the benefits of reality-based training. Jason believes that although civilian and law enforcement students can obtain great firearms training from various sources, they are missing a key component in their personal safety training if that training is not reality-based.

    Jason has a law enforcement background and is the former Police Chief of the Albany Police Department where he continues to serve as a part-time officer. Jason also serves as the department’s firearms instructor, and has created POST Board approved firearms training curriculum.

    Jason has been a member of the United States Practical Shooters Association (USPSA) as well as a local club, St. Cloud Area Practical Shooters Association (SCAPSA) for many years. He competes at the SCAPSA outdoor range in matches and league competitions year-round, and has attained several league championships in various divisions. Jason is an avid three-gun competitor and has been privileged to participate on shooting squads at various 3-gun and tactical shotgun matches with professional shooters such as James Casanova, Rob Romero, Mark Harnish, Janson Jensen, Mark Miller, and Dave Neth. In June 2012, St. Cloud hosted the CAN-AM Games for Law Enforcement and Firefighters from around the world. Jason was fortunate to compete in various Can-Am events including two of his passions, shooting sports and ice hockey. For his efforts, as well as his team members, Jason earned six Can-Am medals, five for shooting events, and one for hockey. This was a tremendous experience to be treasured.
     

    Incidentally, the sign at the entrance of the mall reads:

    Code of Conduct

    While visiting this mall, the following general activities will not be accepted:

    Violations of the law
    Any activity that threatens the safety of our guests, tenants and/or employees
    Any activity that threatens the well-being of the property
    Any activity that disrupts our pleasant, family-oriented shopping environment
    Any activity inconsistent with the general purpose of the property, which is shopping, dining, visiting theaters or offices for business purposes
    Any activity that would disrupt the legitimate business of the property and its tenants

    Examples of specific activities that are prohibited include but are not limited to:

    Disruptive profanity, vulgar or threatening language
    Unnecessarily blocking walkways, roadways or storefronts
    Running, horseplay or disorderly conduct of any nature
    Excessive loitering
    Operating unauthorized recreational and/or personal transportation devices in the shopping center
    No firearms or illegal weapons

     

    It's shocking how many of these rules the mall stabber violated.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Anonym, @Anonymous, @International Jew, @Chrisnonymous

    Did Jason violate the no firearms rule?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    I wondered about that too. I doubt anyone will want to make an issue of it now, of course.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    , @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Did Jason violate the no firearms rule?
     
    In most "reasonable" jurisdictions, violating (privately) posted signs does not result in any charge... so long as the violator leaves when discovered and asked. And even if police were called it'd likely be a minor trespass charge. Obviously this does not apply to federal government buildings, courts, schools, DC/NYC/MD/IL, etc.
  26. Do Muslims ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist backlashes?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    Do Muslims ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist backlashes?

    Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don't have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?

    Replies: @anon, @anon, @Perplexed, @Antonymous, @AnotherDad

    , @Twinkie
    @anon


    Do Muslims ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist backlashes?
     
    This is Western hippie talk. Although Buddhists are not nearly as violent as Muslims today, there have been Buddhist sects and ethnies/polities that have been quiet violent. Buddhist state/mob violence in places Myanmar and Sri Lanka come to mind as well as sectarian strife in Thailand, South Korea, and Japan at various times in recent history.

    Replies: @anon, @Twinkie

  27. @Ben h
    Muslims seem incapable of having any empathy at all for members of any group but theirs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    How so?

    How much empathy do Americans feel toward Muslims for the millions of Muslims killed in U.S.- and Israeli-instigated wars in the past hundred years? For bombing them to smithereens?

    The empathy problem is ours, not theirs. You seem to think their blood is worth nothing.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    You seem to think their blood is worth nothing.

    In fairness, they seem to think that too.

    And they have a point, don't they?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Ben H
    @Anonymous

    I'm talking about the Muslim-Americans who play the victim whenever a member of their group goes on a rampage.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @anon
    @Anonymous

    And yet Muslims cannot invite themselves to America and the west fast enough, can they sport?

    , @Cwhatfuture
    @Anonymous

    I was under the impression America was a nation and Islam a religion. Good to know that they are on another side from us, no matter their nationality. And no Muslim can be an American. First thing we should kick them out, if they in America believe that we are attacking them when we attack a foreign nation. You have convinced me, they must go. The sooner the better.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @iSteveFan
    @Anonymous

    How much empathy do muslims feel for enslaving nearly 3 million Europeans? How much empathy do muslims feel for colonizing and occupying large swathes of European lands for up to 4 to 7 centuries?

    muslims have given Europeans far worse than they have received.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    "How much empathy do Americans feel toward Muslims for the millions of Muslims killed in U.S.- and Israeli-instigated wars in the past hundred years?"

    The past hundred years? I wasn't aware that Israel existed in 1916. And I wasn't aware that General Black Jack Pershing was leading a punitive expedition in the fertile crescent at the time. I thought he was in Mexico to chastise Pancho Villa.

    Not much empathy for muslims? Damned right. So why do they come here where they are not wanted? Why do they take our SBA loans to buy up our gas-stations, mini-marts, and subway franchises if they feel so unwelcome here? Peddle your BS elsewhere.

    , @Karl
    @Anonymous

    > for the millions of Muslims killed in U.S.- and Israeli-instigated wars in the past hundred years? For bombing them to smithereens? The empathy problem is ours, not theirs

    So, you agree with me that those poor oppressed Somalis should leave America as soon as possible, so that their tax dollars never go towards bombing a "Muslim country"?

  28. @anon
    Do Muslims ever wonder why Buddhists don't have to worry about anti-Buddhist backlashes?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    Do Muslims ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist backlashes?

    Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?

    Because they don't cause as many problems?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @anon
    @Anonymous

    sure they do. there were 2 anti buddhist bombings in central java ,indonesia earlier this year targeting buddhist temples. of course islamists were behind the bombings.

    several terrorist attacks in thailand every year perpetrated by muslims against buddhists.

    several terrorist attacks in myanmar targeting buddhists every year. of course all carried out by muslim kalars.

    there are enough examples to prove you wrong. but do continue cucking for islam if it makes you happy.

    , @Perplexed
    @Anonymous

    "people who believe they are Jewish"? Does this come from T. Coates?

    , @Antonymous
    @Anonymous

    "Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?"

    Oh but they do. One of the anons mentioned Indonesia and Myanmar, but let's bring up Thailand as well. The following bombings were Muslim jihadis against Buddhist Thailanders:

    2006 Bangkok bombings
    2012 Bangkok bombings
    South Thailand insurgency
    December 2009 Narathiwat bombing
    2005 Songkhla bombings
    2006 Hat Yai bombings
    2007 South Thailand bombings
    2007 Songkhla bombings
    2012 Southern Thailand bombings
    2015 Bangkok bombing
    August 2016 Thailand bombings

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Thailand

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous


    Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?
     
    Anonymous, this is just plain wrong, as several replies point out. Wherever Islam is in contact with another civilization there is violent conflict. Islam+diversity=>violence.

    However it is true that muslims have a particular stiffy with regard to attacking the West. The West\Christendom was the civilization in most direct contact\conflict with Islam and that most directly stood against its cancerous expansion, fought against it and eventually--mostly expelled--it from its traditional territory. Islam is still smarting from being shown up as inferior and beaten by the West.

    So the actual take-home from your comment would be that we in the West should be *particularly* careful not to let Muslims into our nations.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  29. @Anonymous
    @Harry Baldwin

    Did Jason violate the no firearms rule?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Twinkie

    I wondered about that too. I doubt anyone will want to make an issue of it now, of course.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Harry Baldwin

    As a police officer (even part time, even from a different county) he is probably exempt from that provision.

  30. @anon
    Whenever I start to think to myself that maybe I should think more nicely about Muslims, one of them comes along and instructs me as to how I should react to their terror attacks.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    How many Muslims has the United States killed or maimed in the past 20 years? You can’t see past your own nose can you?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    Not enough.

    , @Antonymous
    @Anonymous

    In case you haven't noticed, the vast majority of this board disagrees with Bush's Iraq invasion AND Hillary Clinton's destabilization of Libya and Syria. We effectively have a rogue State Department with neo-cons at the helm, lying the country into invasions. I can assure you no one relishes the blood loss as a result of US intervention.

    Meanwhile you contrast an unwilling, betrayed population (ours) with willing, allahu-akbaring jihadis? Jihadis maim and kill neighbors, while the US population looks with horror at their war machine. You tell me who can't see past their own nose.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  31. @Ben h
    Muslims seem incapable of having any empathy at all for members of any group but theirs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    Muslims seem incapable of having any empathy at all for members of any group but theirs.

    In all likelihood Islamist terrorists have killed more Muslims than non-Muslims. But that is consistent with the idea that the wider Islamic world is undergoing a civil war, something akin to the Thirty Years’ War.

    Civil wars and “wars of national liberation” tend to be particularly vicious and kill more in-group members than foreign enemies (e.g. the Irish wars of independence).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    In all likelihood Islamist terrorists have killed more Muslims than non-Muslims. But that is consistent with the idea that the wider Islamic world is undergoing a civil war, something akin to the Thirty Years’ War

    What is the U.S.-caused body count in the Middle East. Dang you all are narcissistic.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Antonymous, @Antonymous

  32. We are bombing and killing the people of the Middle East. Are they not entitled to defend themselves?

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Anonymous

    You seems to be confused about where Somalia is.

    Does Africa give you a clue?

    , @anon
    @Anonymous

    Not by stabbing people in a mall, troll.

    , @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    We are bombing and killing the people of the Middle East. Are they not entitled to defend themselves?
     
    So if your kid punched another kid, are you okay with that kid's father shooting your wife?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Half canadian
    @Anonymous

    This is a good argument to stop allowing Muslims into the US. If we've made ourselves their enemy, best not to let them in.
    The fact that we've allowed Muslim refugees to settle in the US obviously doesn't buy us brownie points.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @guest
    @Anonymous

    Somalis aren't from the Middle East, you boob. They're not fleeing our bombs; they're fleeing other Somalis.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Joe Schmoe

    , @Johnny Smoggins
    @Anonymous

    You raise a very valid point; the U.S. and Israel have oceans of Arab and Muslim blood on their hands. That doesn't mean, however that Muslims should be allowed to settle in the west to settle their vendettas.

    If the U.S. wants to make amends a good place to start would be forcing Israel to accept full right of return for Palestinians to their homeland.

    Replies: @bomag

  33. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Ben h


    Muslims seem incapable of having any empathy at all for members of any group but theirs.
     
    In all likelihood Islamist terrorists have killed more Muslims than non-Muslims. But that is consistent with the idea that the wider Islamic world is undergoing a civil war, something akin to the Thirty Years' War.

    Civil wars and "wars of national liberation" tend to be particularly vicious and kill more in-group members than foreign enemies (e.g. the Irish wars of independence).

    Replies: @Anonymous

    In all likelihood Islamist terrorists have killed more Muslims than non-Muslims. But that is consistent with the idea that the wider Islamic world is undergoing a civil war, something akin to the Thirty Years’ War

    What is the U.S.-caused body count in the Middle East. Dang you all are narcissistic.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    What is the U.S.-caused body count in the Middle East. Dang you all are narcissistic.
     
    Are you suggesting, without our participation in Middle Eastern conflicts, it would have been all peaches and cream there?

    This sounds suspiciously like "[American] Indians were all peace-loving people in tune with nature until the white men arrived" type of a talk. What's really narcissistic is to think that the United States is the causal agent of violence and suffering around the world. We are a kind of a hegemonic power, to be sure, but we have our limits.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Antonymous
    @Anonymous

    "What is the U.S.-caused body count in the Middle East. Dang you all are narcissistic."

    Far too high. But presuming you're also an American, how does one stop the war profiteers from enrolling us in yet more interventions? You would assign our names to the deaths (but not your own) -- how would you stop Depts of State and Defense from their foolhardy, tragic policies? Writing to congressmen doesn't do much does it.

    You seem to think terrorism is the due for average people, rather than leaders. This is ... unfortunate. Just more blame white men.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Antonymous
    @Anonymous

    Just to add.. This is why many of us are voting to remove this damnable neo-con cabal from power. We tried in 2008 with Obama, but he was just as compromised as Bush (except with respect to Iran, which he inexplicably funds). Now we're trying Trump, who has no financial ties to former policy makers.

    But you I suspect would vote for the perpetrator of war crimes herself, Ms Clinton, because someone insinuated you'd be racist otherwise.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  34. @Anonymous
    @Harry Baldwin

    Did Jason violate the no firearms rule?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Twinkie

    Did Jason violate the no firearms rule?

    In most “reasonable” jurisdictions, violating (privately) posted signs does not result in any charge… so long as the violator leaves when discovered and asked. And even if police were called it’d likely be a minor trespass charge. Obviously this does not apply to federal government buildings, courts, schools, DC/NYC/MD/IL, etc.

  35. @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    I wondered about that too. I doubt anyone will want to make an issue of it now, of course.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    As a police officer (even part time, even from a different county) he is probably exempt from that provision.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  36. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Laugh Track
    The political tensions and polarizations of 2016 remind me all too much of 1968 and 1969, which were hell to live through. I was a college kid at the time, decidedly to the left, but even I didn't like the choices I was given. "You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem," was repeated ad nauseam -- a false choice I thought, especially when the "solution" being touted was a revolution led by Marxist-Leninists.

    Five decades later, we are presented with either hugging Muslims or hating them. I consider this a false choice as well. Here's the thing: I've hung with a good number of Muslims over the past 25 years. All of them were what I would describe as moderate everyday Muslims, some of them American converts and some of them born into Islam overseas. I think it accurate to say that none of them sympathize with ISIS or Islamism and all of them are repelled by terrorism in the name of Islam.

    However, they've not explicitly spoken out against terrorism because their instinct is to keep their heads down and not draw attention to themselves, either from other Muslims or non-Muslims. I think this is a mistake, because it cedes the public's image of Muslims to the extremist maniacs.

    All that said, I do not think that Trump's proposal to halt the immigration of more Muslims to the U.S. (until we really know where we stand) is particularly "deplorable" or "hateful". It strikes me as simply practical and sensible. And that goes for a general moratorium on immigration as well.

    This latest outrage in St. Cloud is certainly vile, no question about that. But I do not think that it need lead to a +/- false dichotomy regarding the Muslims who are already here. In my experience, the majority of them are just everyday folks trying to fit in as best they can. The murderous crazies are the exceptions. But I have to admit that I am much less positively disposed towards Islam than I once was. And that is the biggest irony of the rabid Islamists. They are making those of us who were previously most tolerant toward Muslims have second thoughts.

    Replies: @anon, @Anon, @Anonym

    All of them were what I would describe as moderate everyday Muslims, some of them American converts and some of them born into Islam overseas. I think it accurate to say that none of them sympathize with ISIS or Islamism and all of them are repelled by terrorism in the name of Islam.

    Do they acknowledge that people have a reason for not liking them, though? That’s what always bugs me. That bizarre pretense that they just don’t understand why ordinary citizens just don’t want them around. It’s nauseating.

    If you ever want to see some totally slimy behavior, try getting a Muslim to acknowledge that Muhammad did something wrong.

  37. @Anonymous
    We are bombing and killing the people of the Middle East. Are they not entitled to defend themselves?

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @anon, @Twinkie, @Half canadian, @guest, @Johnny Smoggins

    You seems to be confused about where Somalia is.

    Does Africa give you a clue?

  38. @Anonymous
    We are bombing and killing the people of the Middle East. Are they not entitled to defend themselves?

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @anon, @Twinkie, @Half canadian, @guest, @Johnny Smoggins

    Not by stabbing people in a mall, troll.

  39. @anon
    Do Muslims ever wonder why Buddhists don't have to worry about anti-Buddhist backlashes?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    Do Muslims ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist backlashes?

    This is Western hippie talk. Although Buddhists are not nearly as violent as Muslims today, there have been Buddhist sects and ethnies/polities that have been quiet violent. Buddhist state/mob violence in places Myanmar and Sri Lanka come to mind as well as sectarian strife in Thailand, South Korea, and Japan at various times in recent history.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Twinkie

    Buddhist sects and ethnies/polities that have been quiet violent. Buddhist state/mob violence in places Myanmar and Sri Lanka come to mind as well as sectarian strife in Thailand, South Korea, and Japan at various times in recent history.

    Right. But not particularly likely to trigger an anti-Buddhist backlash if it would typically be coming from other Buddhists. Do Buddhists in non-Buddhist countries typically cause this much trouble for their hosts?

    I have a feeling you knew what I meant, didn't you?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Twinkie
    @Twinkie


    quiet violent
     
    Sorry, meant "quite violent."

    ... although I guess Buddhists are more "quiet violent" than Muslims' "loud violent," judging from popular Western imagination of Buddhists as peaceniks.
  40. Leftists trying to exploit the interval before they arrest the NY bomber and he turns out to be the usual Muslim. Here is the #1 comment in the NYTimes on the bomb story with 600+ upvotes:

    It is hard to tell who was responsible for this bombing. It could be a member of ISIS, a member of white supremacist group, or anybody who is deranged. We cannot stop everybody who is deranged. But we can refuse to cast our ballots for politicians who are flaming this type of hatred or inciting violence, e.g. Donald Trump.

    In other words, it’s Donald Trump’s fault, either way. Speaking of deranged.

    I guess once they arrest the Muslim guy this comment will be “no longer operative”, like the Hillary overheating story. At least the white supremacist part. But it will still be Trump’s fault.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    In other words, it’s Donald Trump’s fault, either way.
     
    Being a leftist means one always has the right answer.

    E.g. 1) CDC says that assault weapon ban is effective. Leftist: See! Gun control works! We need more stringent gun control!

    *2) CDC says that assault weapon ban has little effect. Leftist: See! There wasn't enough gun control. We need more stringent gun control!

    *In real life, 2) actually occurred though the various gun control groups expected and were prepared for 1).

    For leftists, heads they win, tails we lose.
    , @Jefferson
    @Jack D

    "We cannot stop everybody who is deranged. But we can refuse to cast our ballots for politicians who are flaming this type of hatred or inciting violence, e.g. Donald Trump."

    If Donald Trump is to blame for the existence of ISIS and Islamic terrorism in general, can we blame Barack Hussein Obama for the existence of Black thugs who murder White police officers and murder White civilians.

  41. @Anonymous
    @anon

    How many Muslims has the United States killed or maimed in the past 20 years? You can't see past your own nose can you?

    Replies: @anon, @Antonymous

    Not enough.

  42. Only slightly OT: THe poloice have arrested five suspects in the NYC bombings. Pardon my prejudices but that this happened so quickly suggests to me a Somali-level of inept stupidity on the part of the perps: http://abc7ny.com/news/multiple-people-taken-into-custody-in-connection-with-chelsea-explosion/1517053/

    • Replies: @TangoMan
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    It might be incompetence on the part of bombers but is I suspect it has more to do with the prevalence of video recorders everywhere combined with facial recognition technology. Cameras don't prevent much crime but what they record makes finding perps after the fact a much easier project.

    Try to navigate in NYC without being recorded on camera.

    , @Wilkey
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Use of bombs. Targeting people at random. Two or more perps.

    Those are the three sure signs of Islamic terrorism. Anytime you hear speculation that "right-wing terrorists" may have been responsible (the one incident we get every five years or so), just remember that the more of those boxes it checks the more likely it is to be Islamic terrorism instead of any other.

    That "right-wing terrorist" who shot up the Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs used a gun, was a lone wolf, and was targeting specific people (or a specific type of person).

    Indeed, the key distinction of Islamic terrorism that proves that it's an inherently violent ideology is not only that there is so much violence in its name, but that those perpetrating violence in its name seem to have no problem finding other Muslims willing to work with them, or at least not report them.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  43. @Anonymous
    We are bombing and killing the people of the Middle East. Are they not entitled to defend themselves?

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @anon, @Twinkie, @Half canadian, @guest, @Johnny Smoggins

    We are bombing and killing the people of the Middle East. Are they not entitled to defend themselves?

    So if your kid punched another kid, are you okay with that kid’s father shooting your wife?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    We have been bombing and killing and displacing them by the tens of millions. Your analogy is backwards.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @ben tillman, @biz, @biz

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Twinkie

    Good point. Your logic also applies to using Pearl Harbor to justify Hiroshima, which "progressives" and their cuck defenders do all the time.

  44. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    We are bombing and killing the people of the Middle East. Are they not entitled to defend themselves?
     
    So if your kid punched another kid, are you okay with that kid's father shooting your wife?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

    We have been bombing and killing and displacing them by the tens of millions. Your analogy is backwards.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    We have been bombing and killing and displacing them by the tens of millions. Your analogy is backwards.
     
    Collateral deaths of civilians in legally sanctioned wars (whether waged for a good or bad reason) are not the same as explicit targeting of (only) civilians in illegal forms of warfare (terrorism).

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @ben tillman
    @Anonymous


    We have been bombing and killing and displacing them by the tens of millions. Your analogy is backwards.
     
    No, "we" haven't. Our rulers have.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    , @biz
    @Anonymous

    Tens of millions? I'd like to see an accounting for that tally.

    Oh right, you pulled it out of your ass.

    , @biz
    @Anonymous

    Ah yes, the old 'compare the body counts' fallacy - the last refuge of people who are both illogical idiots and moral monsters.

    All you have to do is compare the body counts to see who are the good guys and who are the bad guys, right? Whoever has killed more is the bad guy. America killed far more people in Nazi Germany and Fascist Japan than those people killed Americans (by a factor of 10 at least) so clearly the Nazis were the good guys and the Americans the bad guys. Yep.

  45. Anonymous [AKA "Harambe\'s Last Words"] says:

    “… we hope they do not use this incident to divide … our community”

    Muz, you are not part of our community. You will never be part of our community. You are an invader.

  46. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @anon


    Do Muslims ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist backlashes?
     
    This is Western hippie talk. Although Buddhists are not nearly as violent as Muslims today, there have been Buddhist sects and ethnies/polities that have been quiet violent. Buddhist state/mob violence in places Myanmar and Sri Lanka come to mind as well as sectarian strife in Thailand, South Korea, and Japan at various times in recent history.

    Replies: @anon, @Twinkie

    Buddhist sects and ethnies/polities that have been quiet violent. Buddhist state/mob violence in places Myanmar and Sri Lanka come to mind as well as sectarian strife in Thailand, South Korea, and Japan at various times in recent history.

    Right. But not particularly likely to trigger an anti-Buddhist backlash if it would typically be coming from other Buddhists. Do Buddhists in non-Buddhist countries typically cause this much trouble for their hosts?

    I have a feeling you knew what I meant, didn’t you?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @anon


    Do Buddhists in non-Buddhist countries typically cause this much trouble for their hosts?
     
    1. Islamists are typically much more violent than Buddhists, for a host of historical, doctrinal, and other reasons. Even so, that violence is concentrated along very specific sectarian lines.

    2. Buddhists are fewer than a third of the population of Muslims, and half of those Buddhists live in a politically authoritarian country (China) where religion-tinged violence is stridently suppressed.

    3. Muslims tend to live in civilizational fault lines with greater propensity for inter-communal conflict. Where Buddhists do also, they become rather violent as well (e.g. Myanmar).

    4. None of the above should lead one to assume that Buddhists are intrinsically non-violent. History argues against that assumption (China, Japan, Mongolia, etc.).

    Replies: @anon, @Jefferson, @Mr. Anon, @Joe Schmoe, @Marcus

  47. @Jack D
    Leftists trying to exploit the interval before they arrest the NY bomber and he turns out to be the usual Muslim. Here is the #1 comment in the NYTimes on the bomb story with 600+ upvotes:

    It is hard to tell who was responsible for this bombing. It could be a member of ISIS, a member of white supremacist group, or anybody who is deranged. We cannot stop everybody who is deranged. But we can refuse to cast our ballots for politicians who are flaming this type of hatred or inciting violence, e.g. Donald Trump.
     
    In other words, it's Donald Trump's fault, either way. Speaking of deranged.

    I guess once they arrest the Muslim guy this comment will be "no longer operative", like the Hillary overheating story. At least the white supremacist part. But it will still be Trump's fault.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Jefferson

    In other words, it’s Donald Trump’s fault, either way.

    Being a leftist means one always has the right answer.

    E.g. 1) CDC says that assault weapon ban is effective. Leftist: See! Gun control works! We need more stringent gun control!

    *2) CDC says that assault weapon ban has little effect. Leftist: See! There wasn’t enough gun control. We need more stringent gun control!

    *In real life, 2) actually occurred though the various gun control groups expected and were prepared for 1).

    For leftists, heads they win, tails we lose.

  48. @Anonymous
    @anon

    Do Muslims ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist backlashes?

    Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don't have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?

    Replies: @anon, @anon, @Perplexed, @Antonymous, @AnotherDad

    Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?

    Because they don’t cause as many problems?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    Yes, Buddhists don't seem to cause as many problems as Americans and Israelis. But Americans and Israelis ignore their own actions as causal factors when they are retaliated against.

  49. @Anonymous
    @Ben h

    How so?

    How much empathy do Americans feel toward Muslims for the millions of Muslims killed in U.S.- and Israeli-instigated wars in the past hundred years? For bombing them to smithereens?

    The empathy problem is ours, not theirs. You seem to think their blood is worth nothing.

    Replies: @anon, @Ben H, @anon, @Cwhatfuture, @iSteveFan, @Mr. Anon, @Karl

    You seem to think their blood is worth nothing.

    In fairness, they seem to think that too.

    And they have a point, don’t they?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    No, if they thought that, they would be taking our aggression lying down.

    Though admittedly their reaction has been rather mild compared to what it could be, considering the slaughter and dislocation we've caused over there.

  50. I believe Juno was set in St. Cloud.

    Perhaps the sequel to Juno could feature the cute lead couple strolling in a mall to twee indie music when suddenly someone shouts “Allah Akbar!” and a Somali Muslim machete attack ensues.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @el topo


    “Allah Akbar!”
     
    To knit pick a little, I believe the expression is "Allahu Akbar," not "Allah Akbar" ("God IS great," as opposed to "God Great").

    Replies: @el topo, @ben tillman, @Mr. Anon, @Perplexed

  51. @Twinkie
    @anon


    Do Muslims ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist backlashes?
     
    This is Western hippie talk. Although Buddhists are not nearly as violent as Muslims today, there have been Buddhist sects and ethnies/polities that have been quiet violent. Buddhist state/mob violence in places Myanmar and Sri Lanka come to mind as well as sectarian strife in Thailand, South Korea, and Japan at various times in recent history.

    Replies: @anon, @Twinkie

    quiet violent

    Sorry, meant “quite violent.”

    … although I guess Buddhists are more “quiet violent” than Muslims’ “loud violent,” judging from popular Western imagination of Buddhists as peaceniks.

  52. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @anon

    Do Muslims ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist backlashes?

    Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don't have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?

    Replies: @anon, @anon, @Perplexed, @Antonymous, @AnotherDad

    sure they do. there were 2 anti buddhist bombings in central java ,indonesia earlier this year targeting buddhist temples. of course islamists were behind the bombings.

    several terrorist attacks in thailand every year perpetrated by muslims against buddhists.

    several terrorist attacks in myanmar targeting buddhists every year. of course all carried out by muslim kalars.

    there are enough examples to prove you wrong. but do continue cucking for islam if it makes you happy.

  53. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    We have been bombing and killing and displacing them by the tens of millions. Your analogy is backwards.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @ben tillman, @biz, @biz

    We have been bombing and killing and displacing them by the tens of millions. Your analogy is backwards.

    Collateral deaths of civilians in legally sanctioned wars (whether waged for a good or bad reason) are not the same as explicit targeting of (only) civilians in illegal forms of warfare (terrorism).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    Collateral deaths of civilians in legally sanctioned wars (whether waged for a good or bad reason) are not the same as explicit targeting of (only) civilians in illegal forms of warfare (terrorism).

    Why not?

    But in any case, your premises is false.

    --Not only "collateral" deaths of "civilians"
    --Our and Israel's violence is not legally sanctioned
    --They don't only target civilians

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Karl

  54. @anon
    @Anonymous

    Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?

    Because they don't cause as many problems?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Yes, Buddhists don’t seem to cause as many problems as Americans and Israelis. But Americans and Israelis ignore their own actions as causal factors when they are retaliated against.

  55. @anon
    @Twinkie

    Buddhist sects and ethnies/polities that have been quiet violent. Buddhist state/mob violence in places Myanmar and Sri Lanka come to mind as well as sectarian strife in Thailand, South Korea, and Japan at various times in recent history.

    Right. But not particularly likely to trigger an anti-Buddhist backlash if it would typically be coming from other Buddhists. Do Buddhists in non-Buddhist countries typically cause this much trouble for their hosts?

    I have a feeling you knew what I meant, didn't you?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Do Buddhists in non-Buddhist countries typically cause this much trouble for their hosts?

    1. Islamists are typically much more violent than Buddhists, for a host of historical, doctrinal, and other reasons. Even so, that violence is concentrated along very specific sectarian lines.

    2. Buddhists are fewer than a third of the population of Muslims, and half of those Buddhists live in a politically authoritarian country (China) where religion-tinged violence is stridently suppressed.

    3. Muslims tend to live in civilizational fault lines with greater propensity for inter-communal conflict. Where Buddhists do also, they become rather violent as well (e.g. Myanmar).

    4. None of the above should lead one to assume that Buddhists are intrinsically non-violent. History argues against that assumption (China, Japan, Mongolia, etc.).

    • Replies: @anon
    @Twinkie

    1. Islamists are typically much more violent than Buddhists, for a host of historical, doctrinal, and other reasons. Even so, that violence is concentrated along very specific sectarian lines.

    A simple "No, they are not. You are correct." would have sufficed.

    4. None of the above should lead one to assume that Buddhists are intrinsically non-violent. History argues against that assumption (China, Japan, Mongolia, etc.).

    I never said anything about their intrinsic level of violence. Just pointing out that, for whatever reason, they don't commit as much terror, so don't have to worry about backlash as much.

    Jeez.

    , @Jefferson
    @Twinkie

    "3. Muslims tend to live in civilizational fault lines with greater propensity for inter-communal conflict. Where Buddhists do also, they become rather violent as well (e.g. Myanmar)."

    Buddhist violence in Myanmar/Burma is directed towards Muslims behaving badly. That's not a bad thing.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Twinkie

    "Muslims tend to live in civilizational fault lines with greater propensity for inter-communal conflict."

    That's because where ever muslims live, they create such fault-lines with greater propensity for violence. Even amongst themselves.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Joe Schmoe
    @Twinkie


    Buddhists are fewer than a third of the population of Muslims, and half of those Buddhists live in a politically authoritarian country (China) where religion-tinged violence is stridently suppressed.
     
    Hmmm...

    Shouldn't all violence be stridently suppressed?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Marcus
    @Twinkie

    That was a roundabout way of not an answer, but I think we all know what the correct one is.

  56. @Trelane
    Frontlash is confusing. Even Google doesn't know what to make of the term.

    What is frontlash? The victimized retaliate unjustly against their presumed (but innocent) victimizer?

    I can detect "frontlash" in news articles that present the victimizer group as the "victim" . But what is the concise definition?

    Replies: @the cruncher, @guest, @Chrisnonymous

    It’s getting out ahead of the presumed /backlash/. Eg a muslim blows stuff up, and the politicians first words are about how we must not blame Islam, must not be less welcoming to refugees, or as in this case, must not let it divide us. Ie it’s to squelch the natural reaction of the victims.

  57. @el topo
    I believe Juno was set in St. Cloud.

    Perhaps the sequel to Juno could feature the cute lead couple strolling in a mall to twee indie music when suddenly someone shouts "Allah Akbar!" and a Somali Muslim machete attack ensues.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    “Allah Akbar!”

    To knit pick a little, I believe the expression is “Allahu Akbar,” not “Allah Akbar” (“God IS great,” as opposed to “God Great”).

    • Replies: @el topo
    @Twinkie

    I actually considered that but went with the basic version. Spend a lot of time on Twitter and you tend to dumb things down a bit.

    And to nitpick back - this is how nitpick is spelled ;)

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @ben tillman
    @Twinkie


    To knit pick a little, I believe the expression is “Allahu Akbar,” not “Allah Akbar” (“God IS great,” as opposed to “God Great”).
     
    And to nitpick a little more . . . .
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Twinkie

    "To knit pick a little, I believe the expression is “Allahu Akbar,” not “Allah Akbar” "

    Other acceptable forms:

    Aloha Snackbar

    Admiral Akbar

    Allstate Nascar

    Replies: @dr kill, @Joe Schmoe

    , @Perplexed
    @Twinkie

    Doesn't it mean "[Our] God is greater?" Supremacism.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  58. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    We have been bombing and killing and displacing them by the tens of millions. Your analogy is backwards.
     
    Collateral deaths of civilians in legally sanctioned wars (whether waged for a good or bad reason) are not the same as explicit targeting of (only) civilians in illegal forms of warfare (terrorism).

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Collateral deaths of civilians in legally sanctioned wars (whether waged for a good or bad reason) are not the same as explicit targeting of (only) civilians in illegal forms of warfare (terrorism).

    Why not?

    But in any case, your premises is false.

    –Not only “collateral” deaths of “civilians”
    –Our and Israel’s violence is not legally sanctioned
    –They don’t only target civilians

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Collateral deaths of civilians in legally sanctioned wars (whether waged for a good or bad reason) are not the same as explicit targeting of (only) civilians in illegal forms of warfare (terrorism).

    Why not?
     
    There are internationally-agreed conventions of warfare for good reasons.

    –Not only “collateral” deaths of “civilians”
     
    Are you suggesting the U.S. Armed Forces deliberately target civilians?

    –Our and Israel’s violence is not legally sanctioned
     
    I won't speak for Israel, but our military has legions of lawyers to make sure our forces abide by international and our own rules of conduct in warfare.

    –They don’t only target civilians
     
    By and large, terrorists target civilians because it is easier. Indeed the whole point of terrorism is to *terrorize* the civilian population rather than confront armed forces of the opposing side.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Karl
    @Anonymous

    > Our and Israel’s violence is not legally sanctioned

    The Sharia courts don't get to tell Israel Border Police girls that they cannot shoot men who are rushing them with drawn knives while screaming "Allahu Akhbar"


    there's quite a few areas where Sharia law operates un-constrained. You are perfectly free to migrate to one of them.

  59. Just heard about it on the news here in Canada. As usual there was no description of the attacker but I knew immediately he was a Muslim. And this being Minnesota I immediately concluded he was a Somali. I was right on both counts.

  60. @anon
    @Anonymous

    You seem to think their blood is worth nothing.

    In fairness, they seem to think that too.

    And they have a point, don't they?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    No, if they thought that, they would be taking our aggression lying down.

    Though admittedly their reaction has been rather mild compared to what it could be, considering the slaughter and dislocation we’ve caused over there.

  61. @Anonymous
    @Ben h

    How so?

    How much empathy do Americans feel toward Muslims for the millions of Muslims killed in U.S.- and Israeli-instigated wars in the past hundred years? For bombing them to smithereens?

    The empathy problem is ours, not theirs. You seem to think their blood is worth nothing.

    Replies: @anon, @Ben H, @anon, @Cwhatfuture, @iSteveFan, @Mr. Anon, @Karl

    I’m talking about the Muslim-Americans who play the victim whenever a member of their group goes on a rampage.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ben H

    We Americans and Isrealis play the victim whenever faced with the inevitable consequences of our aggression in the Middle East.

    Grow up.

  62. We really should stay out of their religious, civil and ethnic wars in the Middle East.

    But since we can’t help ourselves, for fuck sake quit importing them.

  63. @Laugh Track
    The political tensions and polarizations of 2016 remind me all too much of 1968 and 1969, which were hell to live through. I was a college kid at the time, decidedly to the left, but even I didn't like the choices I was given. "You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem," was repeated ad nauseam -- a false choice I thought, especially when the "solution" being touted was a revolution led by Marxist-Leninists.

    Five decades later, we are presented with either hugging Muslims or hating them. I consider this a false choice as well. Here's the thing: I've hung with a good number of Muslims over the past 25 years. All of them were what I would describe as moderate everyday Muslims, some of them American converts and some of them born into Islam overseas. I think it accurate to say that none of them sympathize with ISIS or Islamism and all of them are repelled by terrorism in the name of Islam.

    However, they've not explicitly spoken out against terrorism because their instinct is to keep their heads down and not draw attention to themselves, either from other Muslims or non-Muslims. I think this is a mistake, because it cedes the public's image of Muslims to the extremist maniacs.

    All that said, I do not think that Trump's proposal to halt the immigration of more Muslims to the U.S. (until we really know where we stand) is particularly "deplorable" or "hateful". It strikes me as simply practical and sensible. And that goes for a general moratorium on immigration as well.

    This latest outrage in St. Cloud is certainly vile, no question about that. But I do not think that it need lead to a +/- false dichotomy regarding the Muslims who are already here. In my experience, the majority of them are just everyday folks trying to fit in as best they can. The murderous crazies are the exceptions. But I have to admit that I am much less positively disposed towards Islam than I once was. And that is the biggest irony of the rabid Islamists. They are making those of us who were previously most tolerant toward Muslims have second thoughts.

    Replies: @anon, @Anon, @Anonym

    The reason why most Islamic countries are run by strongmen is because all those nice Moslems insist on keeping their heads down. And on the rare occasions when they do stick their heads up, they’re usually knifing or blowing people up.

    Moslems have to change.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Moslems have to change.

    Americans and Israelis need to change. We are the ones bombing them, pushing them off their homelands.

    Replies: @Anoni, @Karl

    , @anon
    @Anon

    The only way to reform Islam would result in dissolving it. It is totalitarian in its structure.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  64. @Halvorson
    St. Cloud is a part of Michelle Bachmann's old congressional district, a basically conservative place home to an extraordinary number of German Catholics. The rarity of Protestants there has somehow not stopped Lutheran Social Services (not really Lutheran, 90% government funded) from dumping thousands of sullen Somalis there in the past 10 years to the extreme disapproval of the locals.

    On a similar, weirder note there is a tiny town in western Minnesota that has inexplicably become majority Micronesian ("Micros", the kids call them) in the last 5 years. They add vibrancy, a insightful local writer believes:
    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2013/08/16/ground-level-american-countryside-milan

    I am really starting to think Minnesotans do not understand that Trump's Muslim or refugee ban would keep Somalis out. Someone needs to sit them down and work out explicitly that Somali=Muslim=banned under Trump's immigration plan.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @guest, @(((Owen))), @Hibernian

    “I am really starting to think Minnesotans do not understand that Trump’s Muslim or refugee ban would keep Somalis out. Someone needs to sit them down and work out explicitly that Somali=Muslim=banned under Trump’s immigration plan.”

    Do most Whites in Minnesota think Somalis are Christians or some other variety of Non Muslim like Atheists?

    Do Somali women in Minnesota dress like Western women? Maybe that’s where the confusion comes from.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Jefferson

    Never underestimate the ignorance of the average American. Most Americans aren't aware that there are Muslims who aren't Arab. Burqas just say "foreign" or "Arab" (you can't exactly tell the ethnicity, after all).

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Jefferson

    When I was in Minneapolis a few years ago, the Somali women I saw working as baggers in the supermarket wore head scarves and traditional dress.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jefferson


    Do Somali women in Minnesota dress like Western women?
     
    Sad to say, my grandmothers would approve of their dress before they'd approve of what Western women's has become.

    The fundamental problem is not them, it's us. The Africans are just opportunists. If we'd concentrated our fire on the proper targets, lily-white Catholic Charities and Lutheran Social Services, there would never have been oddball Nilotics or Cushitics or whatever in German Catholic St Cloud.

    But, to paraphrase (crudely) Lawrence Auster's argument, a culture that imagines buggery consummates a marriage (Somalis don't!) isn't likely to think right about immigration, either.
  65. @Clyde
    I knew he was Somali before his knife hit the ground. Somalis are the world's worst immigrants but they somehow magically get entree into the US, Canada, England, Australia. All have large Somali populations. I don't get it. You would think that "Black Hawk Down" would have killed their chances. Instead it increased them.

    Replies: @anon, @415 reasons, @Harold, @Anonymous Nephew, @Brutusale, @AnotherDad

    I don’t get it either. Yet they never seem to go to Israel, although that country is much closer to them then any of the other places. Hmmm….

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @anon

    Israel has a few thousand Somalis, and many more Eritreans and Sudanese, who snuck in before the Sinai border fence was erected. It's been hard to get rid of them because of pressure from the UN and EU, and from Israel's own population of left-wing moonbats.

    , @Karl
    @anon

    > Yet they never seem to go to Israel, although that country is much closer to them then any of the other place

    Israel doesn't let the Lutherans decide who gets dropped into Israel.

  66. @Twinkie
    @anon


    Do Buddhists in non-Buddhist countries typically cause this much trouble for their hosts?
     
    1. Islamists are typically much more violent than Buddhists, for a host of historical, doctrinal, and other reasons. Even so, that violence is concentrated along very specific sectarian lines.

    2. Buddhists are fewer than a third of the population of Muslims, and half of those Buddhists live in a politically authoritarian country (China) where religion-tinged violence is stridently suppressed.

    3. Muslims tend to live in civilizational fault lines with greater propensity for inter-communal conflict. Where Buddhists do also, they become rather violent as well (e.g. Myanmar).

    4. None of the above should lead one to assume that Buddhists are intrinsically non-violent. History argues against that assumption (China, Japan, Mongolia, etc.).

    Replies: @anon, @Jefferson, @Mr. Anon, @Joe Schmoe, @Marcus

    1. Islamists are typically much more violent than Buddhists, for a host of historical, doctrinal, and other reasons. Even so, that violence is concentrated along very specific sectarian lines.

    A simple “No, they are not. You are correct.” would have sufficed.

    4. None of the above should lead one to assume that Buddhists are intrinsically non-violent. History argues against that assumption (China, Japan, Mongolia, etc.).

    I never said anything about their intrinsic level of violence. Just pointing out that, for whatever reason, they don’t commit as much terror, so don’t have to worry about backlash as much.

    Jeez.

  67. @Twinkie
    @el topo


    “Allah Akbar!”
     
    To knit pick a little, I believe the expression is "Allahu Akbar," not "Allah Akbar" ("God IS great," as opposed to "God Great").

    Replies: @el topo, @ben tillman, @Mr. Anon, @Perplexed

    I actually considered that but went with the basic version. Spend a lot of time on Twitter and you tend to dumb things down a bit.

    And to nitpick back – this is how nitpick is spelled 😉

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @el topo


    And to nitpick back – this is how nitpick is spelled ;)
     
    Touche!
  68. @Anonymous
    @Ben h

    How so?

    How much empathy do Americans feel toward Muslims for the millions of Muslims killed in U.S.- and Israeli-instigated wars in the past hundred years? For bombing them to smithereens?

    The empathy problem is ours, not theirs. You seem to think their blood is worth nothing.

    Replies: @anon, @Ben H, @anon, @Cwhatfuture, @iSteveFan, @Mr. Anon, @Karl

    And yet Muslims cannot invite themselves to America and the west fast enough, can they sport?

  69. @Anonymous
    @Ben h

    How so?

    How much empathy do Americans feel toward Muslims for the millions of Muslims killed in U.S.- and Israeli-instigated wars in the past hundred years? For bombing them to smithereens?

    The empathy problem is ours, not theirs. You seem to think their blood is worth nothing.

    Replies: @anon, @Ben H, @anon, @Cwhatfuture, @iSteveFan, @Mr. Anon, @Karl

    I was under the impression America was a nation and Islam a religion. Good to know that they are on another side from us, no matter their nationality. And no Muslim can be an American. First thing we should kick them out, if they in America believe that we are attacking them when we attack a foreign nation. You have convinced me, they must go. The sooner the better.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Cwhatfuture

    First thing we should kick them out, if they in America believe that we are attacking them when we attack a foreign nation.

    Do you also find it odd that Americans who believe they are jewish feel under attack when there is retaliation in Israel or France against other people who think they are jewish? Or what about all the attention given by jewish-Americans in the United States to jews in Germany during WWII? Weird, huh?

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture

  70. @Trelane
    Frontlash is confusing. Even Google doesn't know what to make of the term.

    What is frontlash? The victimized retaliate unjustly against their presumed (but innocent) victimizer?

    I can detect "frontlash" in news articles that present the victimizer group as the "victim" . But what is the concise definition?

    Replies: @the cruncher, @guest, @Chrisnonymous

    Frontlash is preemption of backlash.

  71. @Anon
    @Laugh Track

    The reason why most Islamic countries are run by strongmen is because all those nice Moslems insist on keeping their heads down. And on the rare occasions when they do stick their heads up, they're usually knifing or blowing people up.

    Moslems have to change.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon

    Moslems have to change.

    Americans and Israelis need to change. We are the ones bombing them, pushing them off their homelands.

    • Replies: @Anoni
    @Anonymous

    This the anti-invade, anti-invite section of the internet. All of us want to get out of the middle east as fast as possible. Our policy in the middle east should be:

    " "

    nothing. Buy oil if they choose to sell it, otherwise drill our own or buy from Canada.

    But Somalis are a serious problem that just an immigration ban won't solve. I bet most of them are short term enough thinkers so that if we (1) cut all the welfare (2) tell them we don't like them and they should go away (3) pay them to go. We could get off pretty cheap by getting them out.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon

    , @Karl
    @Anonymous

    > Israelis need to change. We are the ones bombing them, pushing them off their homelands

    so in your opinion, what is the correct homeland ( = indigenous place) of Hebrew ethnic people?

    Or do you just want to push them all into the sea?

    Replies: @Perplexed, @Anonymous

  72. @Twinkie
    @anon


    Do Buddhists in non-Buddhist countries typically cause this much trouble for their hosts?
     
    1. Islamists are typically much more violent than Buddhists, for a host of historical, doctrinal, and other reasons. Even so, that violence is concentrated along very specific sectarian lines.

    2. Buddhists are fewer than a third of the population of Muslims, and half of those Buddhists live in a politically authoritarian country (China) where religion-tinged violence is stridently suppressed.

    3. Muslims tend to live in civilizational fault lines with greater propensity for inter-communal conflict. Where Buddhists do also, they become rather violent as well (e.g. Myanmar).

    4. None of the above should lead one to assume that Buddhists are intrinsically non-violent. History argues against that assumption (China, Japan, Mongolia, etc.).

    Replies: @anon, @Jefferson, @Mr. Anon, @Joe Schmoe, @Marcus

    “3. Muslims tend to live in civilizational fault lines with greater propensity for inter-communal conflict. Where Buddhists do also, they become rather violent as well (e.g. Myanmar).”

    Buddhist violence in Myanmar/Burma is directed towards Muslims behaving badly. That’s not a bad thing.

    • Agree: Marcus
  73. I lived in St. Cloud for 5 years. There was a neighborhood consisting of a few blocks we called Little Mogadishu, and you saw them sprinkled here, there, and everywhere. But it wasn’t overwhelming. I don’t remember ever speaking to a Somali, though I did know an Ethiopian.

    That was 8 or 9 years ago, and I assume it’s gotten much worse. Minnesota is crazy for refugees. In the governor’s case literally crazy. Or drunk, I can’t tell. He will explicitly order anyone who doesn’t agree with his immigration policies to leave the state.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @guest

    "I don’t remember ever speaking to a Somali, though I did know an Ethiopian."

    I remember Lot said Ethiopians are more tolerable than Somalis.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    , @Alfa158
    @guest

    He's not drunk. Mark Dayton has been treated for psychiatric problems, but he has enormous amounts of money to spend on campaigns, lots of time on his hands since he never had to work for a living, and the correct cultural Marxist politics to win in Minnesota.

    Replies: @guest

  74. @Anonymous
    We are bombing and killing the people of the Middle East. Are they not entitled to defend themselves?

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @anon, @Twinkie, @Half canadian, @guest, @Johnny Smoggins

    This is a good argument to stop allowing Muslims into the US. If we’ve made ourselves their enemy, best not to let them in.
    The fact that we’ve allowed Muslim refugees to settle in the US obviously doesn’t buy us brownie points.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Half canadian

    We need to put a stop to immigration. I don't disagree.

  75. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    In a prior era, there would have been discussions about seditious activity among the politicians and media for their active undermining of the US, particularly with regard to the willful disregard for the voice of the electorate.

    Separately, given the apparent coordination of efforts among the politicians and media, how are those acts being initiated? Someone, somewhere must have information, photos, recordings or other evidence about what is manifestly, but unpopularly, a conspiracy.

  76. @Ben H
    @Anonymous

    I'm talking about the Muslim-Americans who play the victim whenever a member of their group goes on a rampage.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    We Americans and Isrealis play the victim whenever faced with the inevitable consequences of our aggression in the Middle East.

    Grow up.

  77. @Halvorson
    St. Cloud is a part of Michelle Bachmann's old congressional district, a basically conservative place home to an extraordinary number of German Catholics. The rarity of Protestants there has somehow not stopped Lutheran Social Services (not really Lutheran, 90% government funded) from dumping thousands of sullen Somalis there in the past 10 years to the extreme disapproval of the locals.

    On a similar, weirder note there is a tiny town in western Minnesota that has inexplicably become majority Micronesian ("Micros", the kids call them) in the last 5 years. They add vibrancy, a insightful local writer believes:
    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2013/08/16/ground-level-american-countryside-milan

    I am really starting to think Minnesotans do not understand that Trump's Muslim or refugee ban would keep Somalis out. Someone needs to sit them down and work out explicitly that Somali=Muslim=banned under Trump's immigration plan.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @guest, @(((Owen))), @Hibernian

    Yeah, I went to college in St. Cloud. I can’t tell you how much misery it caused the professors to live in the land of Bachmann. It was especially bad in 2002, when Paul Wellstone died and Republicans won both houses of Congress. That was some sweet schadenfreude.

  78. @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Moslems have to change.

    Americans and Israelis need to change. We are the ones bombing them, pushing them off their homelands.

    Replies: @Anoni, @Karl

    This the anti-invade, anti-invite section of the internet. All of us want to get out of the middle east as fast as possible. Our policy in the middle east should be:

    ” ”

    nothing. Buy oil if they choose to sell it, otherwise drill our own or buy from Canada.

    But Somalis are a serious problem that just an immigration ban won’t solve. I bet most of them are short term enough thinkers so that if we (1) cut all the welfare (2) tell them we don’t like them and they should go away (3) pay them to go. We could get off pretty cheap by getting them out.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anoni

    This the anti-invade, anti-invite section of the internet. All of us want to get out of the middle east as fast as possible.

    The sooner we understand that the violence against us in the United States is reasonable retaliation for our own actions, the sooner we can get out of this problem.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    , @anon
    @Anoni

    America gets very little of its oil from the middle east. Oil is NOT the reason the Mideast is so prominent in American policy-making. Its the Jewish lobby.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Clyde

  79. @Half canadian
    @Anonymous

    This is a good argument to stop allowing Muslims into the US. If we've made ourselves their enemy, best not to let them in.
    The fact that we've allowed Muslim refugees to settle in the US obviously doesn't buy us brownie points.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    We need to put a stop to immigration. I don’t disagree.

  80. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Cwhatfuture
    @Anonymous

    I was under the impression America was a nation and Islam a religion. Good to know that they are on another side from us, no matter their nationality. And no Muslim can be an American. First thing we should kick them out, if they in America believe that we are attacking them when we attack a foreign nation. You have convinced me, they must go. The sooner the better.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    First thing we should kick them out, if they in America believe that we are attacking them when we attack a foreign nation.

    Do you also find it odd that Americans who believe they are jewish feel under attack when there is retaliation in Israel or France against other people who think they are jewish? Or what about all the attention given by jewish-Americans in the United States to jews in Germany during WWII? Weird, huh?

    • Replies: @Cwhatfuture
    @Anonymous

    What I find odd is your sentence structure and grammar and your bizarre analogies.

    Anyway, thanks for pointing out that Muslims in America take the side of Muslim foreign nations, when America is at war with those foreign nations.

    We must remove these Muslims immediately.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  81. @Jack D
    Leftists trying to exploit the interval before they arrest the NY bomber and he turns out to be the usual Muslim. Here is the #1 comment in the NYTimes on the bomb story with 600+ upvotes:

    It is hard to tell who was responsible for this bombing. It could be a member of ISIS, a member of white supremacist group, or anybody who is deranged. We cannot stop everybody who is deranged. But we can refuse to cast our ballots for politicians who are flaming this type of hatred or inciting violence, e.g. Donald Trump.
     
    In other words, it's Donald Trump's fault, either way. Speaking of deranged.

    I guess once they arrest the Muslim guy this comment will be "no longer operative", like the Hillary overheating story. At least the white supremacist part. But it will still be Trump's fault.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Jefferson

    “We cannot stop everybody who is deranged. But we can refuse to cast our ballots for politicians who are flaming this type of hatred or inciting violence, e.g. Donald Trump.”

    If Donald Trump is to blame for the existence of ISIS and Islamic terrorism in general, can we blame Barack Hussein Obama for the existence of Black thugs who murder White police officers and murder White civilians.

  82. @Anonymous
    We are bombing and killing the people of the Middle East. Are they not entitled to defend themselves?

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @anon, @Twinkie, @Half canadian, @guest, @Johnny Smoggins

    Somalis aren’t from the Middle East, you boob. They’re not fleeing our bombs; they’re fleeing other Somalis.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @guest

    First thing we should kick them out, if they in America believe that we are attacking them when we attack a foreign nation.

    They are Muslims. Part of the Umma.

    Are Jews not entitled to identify with other Jews?

    Replies: @guest

    , @Joe Schmoe
    @guest


    Somalis aren’t from the Middle East, you boob. They’re not fleeing our bombs; they’re fleeing other Somalis.
     
    snicker
  83. @Anonymous
    @Ben h

    How so?

    How much empathy do Americans feel toward Muslims for the millions of Muslims killed in U.S.- and Israeli-instigated wars in the past hundred years? For bombing them to smithereens?

    The empathy problem is ours, not theirs. You seem to think their blood is worth nothing.

    Replies: @anon, @Ben H, @anon, @Cwhatfuture, @iSteveFan, @Mr. Anon, @Karl

    How much empathy do muslims feel for enslaving nearly 3 million Europeans? How much empathy do muslims feel for colonizing and occupying large swathes of European lands for up to 4 to 7 centuries?

    muslims have given Europeans far worse than they have received.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    Ha, you have to go back half a millennia to try to come up with misdeeds by Muslims remotely comparable to American and Jewish ongoing atrocities.

    Replies: @anon, @Anoni, @iSteveFan, @Mr. Anon

  84. @guest
    I lived in St. Cloud for 5 years. There was a neighborhood consisting of a few blocks we called Little Mogadishu, and you saw them sprinkled here, there, and everywhere. But it wasn't overwhelming. I don't remember ever speaking to a Somali, though I did know an Ethiopian.

    That was 8 or 9 years ago, and I assume it's gotten much worse. Minnesota is crazy for refugees. In the governor's case literally crazy. Or drunk, I can't tell. He will explicitly order anyone who doesn't agree with his immigration policies to leave the state.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Alfa158

    “I don’t remember ever speaking to a Somali, though I did know an Ethiopian.”

    I remember Lot said Ethiopians are more tolerable than Somalis.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Jefferson


    I remember Lot said Ethiopians are more tolerable than Somalis.
     
    Most Ethiopians are Coptic Christians. The Church in Ethiopia goes way back to St. Matthew and they are rather proud that they were the first nation to officially embrace Christianity, in the 4th century AD.
  85. @guest
    @Anonymous

    Somalis aren't from the Middle East, you boob. They're not fleeing our bombs; they're fleeing other Somalis.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Joe Schmoe

    First thing we should kick them out, if they in America believe that we are attacking them when we attack a foreign nation.

    They are Muslims. Part of the Umma.

    Are Jews not entitled to identify with other Jews?

    • Replies: @guest
    @Anonymous

    I don't think you responded to the proper poster.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  86. “I can recall reading a few decades ago that St. Cloud, Minnesota, a small city 66 miles northwest of Minneapolis, then had the lowest crime rate in the U.S..”

    The Villages, Florida is now the community with the lowest crime rate in America and it is a whopping 98 percent White.

    The Villages is evidence that diversity is overrated. They are a thriving safe community and they are White as hell.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Jefferson

    The Villages median age is 66. Retirement communities are not apt comparisons to the real world.

  87. @Jefferson
    @Halvorson

    "I am really starting to think Minnesotans do not understand that Trump’s Muslim or refugee ban would keep Somalis out. Someone needs to sit them down and work out explicitly that Somali=Muslim=banned under Trump’s immigration plan."

    Do most Whites in Minnesota think Somalis are Christians or some other variety of Non Muslim like Atheists?

    Do Somali women in Minnesota dress like Western women? Maybe that's where the confusion comes from.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Harry Baldwin, @Reg Cæsar

    Never underestimate the ignorance of the average American. Most Americans aren’t aware that there are Muslims who aren’t Arab. Burqas just say “foreign” or “Arab” (you can’t exactly tell the ethnicity, after all).

  88. @guest
    I lived in St. Cloud for 5 years. There was a neighborhood consisting of a few blocks we called Little Mogadishu, and you saw them sprinkled here, there, and everywhere. But it wasn't overwhelming. I don't remember ever speaking to a Somali, though I did know an Ethiopian.

    That was 8 or 9 years ago, and I assume it's gotten much worse. Minnesota is crazy for refugees. In the governor's case literally crazy. Or drunk, I can't tell. He will explicitly order anyone who doesn't agree with his immigration policies to leave the state.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Alfa158

    He’s not drunk. Mark Dayton has been treated for psychiatric problems, but he has enormous amounts of money to spend on campaigns, lots of time on his hands since he never had to work for a living, and the correct cultural Marxist politics to win in Minnesota.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Alfa158

    If he's not drunk he must be medicated, because he just doesn't sound right. Everyone I know, including libs, comments on it whenever they hear him speak. Goes to show how far you can go on money, name-recognition, and virtue-signalling alone.

    Or MN likes drama. We did elect Jesse the Body and Al Franken.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  89. @iSteveFan
    @Anonymous

    How much empathy do muslims feel for enslaving nearly 3 million Europeans? How much empathy do muslims feel for colonizing and occupying large swathes of European lands for up to 4 to 7 centuries?

    muslims have given Europeans far worse than they have received.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Ha, you have to go back half a millennia to try to come up with misdeeds by Muslims remotely comparable to American and Jewish ongoing atrocities.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    islamic rep of sudan genocide of christian south sudan -2 million killed ,2.7 million displaced.

    islamic rep of sudan genocide in darfur-600,000 killed 1.7 million displaced.

    islamic indonesia occupation and genocide of christian papua -550,000 killed.

    assad dynasty in syria 300,000 killed.

    all ongoing with an arrow pointing up for future body counts.

    , @Anoni
    @Anonymous

    2 million dead Armenians would like to disagree with you. But Muslims raped, tortured, burned and killed them.

    Not much longer ago than the Holocaust.

    Also everybody in the Balkans has historical memories of the permanent atrocity that was Ottoman Rule.

    Then there are the millions (tens of millions of slaves, according to some) muslims took from the Slavs and Africa. Boys for your second favorite pleasure (goats first, of course) might make a million alone.

    Your atrocity account is bigger than anybody. Hope you like it hot. It will be blazing where your kind is going to end up.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @iSteveFan
    @Anonymous

    Well at least you are not denying their misdeeds. However, one doesn't need to go back that far. As others have pointed out, muslim misdeeds have never really ended.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    "Ha, you have to go back half a millennia to try to come up with misdeeds by Muslims remotely comparable to American and Jewish ongoing atrocities."

    You think that Hafez al Assad and Saddam Hussein were great humanitarians? How many Syrians did Assad kill? How many Iraqis and Iranians did Hussein kill?

    Your religion (based on your tone, I am assuming that you are muslim) is - at best - oppressive, deceitful, and backward. At worst, it is a depraved death-cult. You don't like that we think that? You don't have to stay here. Leave. These are our lands. Not yours.

    Replies: @Hunsdon

  90. @Anonymous
    @guest

    First thing we should kick them out, if they in America believe that we are attacking them when we attack a foreign nation.

    They are Muslims. Part of the Umma.

    Are Jews not entitled to identify with other Jews?

    Replies: @guest

    I don’t think you responded to the proper poster.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @guest

    That was properly addressed to you, who wrote: "Somalis aren’t from the Middle East, you boob. They’re not fleeing our bombs."

    Replies: @guest

  91. @Jefferson
    @Harry Baldwin

    "It’s shocking how many of these rules the mall stabber violated."

    Diversity/Islam trumps the rule of law. The rule of law should never trump Islam/diversity, that's not who we are as Americans. What are you a basket of deplorables?

    Replies: @AKAHorace

    Muslim terrorist respects gun free zone. Tries to kill people with a knife.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @AKAHorace

    "Muslim terrorist respects gun free zone. Tries to kill people with a knife."

    The only reason he didn't use a gun is because he most likely could not financially afford one.

    Somalis in America are as poor as Natives on reservations.

  92. @Alfa158
    @guest

    He's not drunk. Mark Dayton has been treated for psychiatric problems, but he has enormous amounts of money to spend on campaigns, lots of time on his hands since he never had to work for a living, and the correct cultural Marxist politics to win in Minnesota.

    Replies: @guest

    If he’s not drunk he must be medicated, because he just doesn’t sound right. Everyone I know, including libs, comments on it whenever they hear him speak. Goes to show how far you can go on money, name-recognition, and virtue-signalling alone.

    Or MN likes drama. We did elect Jesse the Body and Al Franken.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @guest

    Dayton was picked, by Time if I remember right, as one of the five worst US Senators at the time.

  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anoni
    @Anonymous

    This the anti-invade, anti-invite section of the internet. All of us want to get out of the middle east as fast as possible. Our policy in the middle east should be:

    " "

    nothing. Buy oil if they choose to sell it, otherwise drill our own or buy from Canada.

    But Somalis are a serious problem that just an immigration ban won't solve. I bet most of them are short term enough thinkers so that if we (1) cut all the welfare (2) tell them we don't like them and they should go away (3) pay them to go. We could get off pretty cheap by getting them out.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon

    This the anti-invade, anti-invite section of the internet. All of us want to get out of the middle east as fast as possible.

    The sooner we understand that the violence against us in the United States is reasonable retaliation for our own actions, the sooner we can get out of this problem.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Anonymous

    "The sooner we understand that the violence against us in the United States is reasonable retaliation for our own actions, the sooner we can get out of this problem."

    So explain Brussels. Explain Paris and Marseilles. Remember how massively opposed to the Iraq War the French were? Remember "freedom fries"? Explain hundreds of Muslim men gathering in Cologne Square on New Year's Eve and sexually assaulting the women of a country which had literally just welcomed them as "refugees"?

    Screw you people and all your excuses for why these attacks are justified.

  94. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    Ha, you have to go back half a millennia to try to come up with misdeeds by Muslims remotely comparable to American and Jewish ongoing atrocities.

    Replies: @anon, @Anoni, @iSteveFan, @Mr. Anon

    islamic rep of sudan genocide of christian south sudan -2 million killed ,2.7 million displaced.

    islamic rep of sudan genocide in darfur-600,000 killed 1.7 million displaced.

    islamic indonesia occupation and genocide of christian papua -550,000 killed.

    assad dynasty in syria 300,000 killed.

    all ongoing with an arrow pointing up for future body counts.

  95. @Jefferson
    @Halvorson

    "I am really starting to think Minnesotans do not understand that Trump’s Muslim or refugee ban would keep Somalis out. Someone needs to sit them down and work out explicitly that Somali=Muslim=banned under Trump’s immigration plan."

    Do most Whites in Minnesota think Somalis are Christians or some other variety of Non Muslim like Atheists?

    Do Somali women in Minnesota dress like Western women? Maybe that's where the confusion comes from.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Harry Baldwin, @Reg Cæsar

    When I was in Minneapolis a few years ago, the Somali women I saw working as baggers in the supermarket wore head scarves and traditional dress.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Harry Baldwin

    "When I was in Minneapolis a few years ago, the Somali women I saw working as baggers in the supermarket wore head scarves and traditional dress."

    Than who are the Horn Of Africa facial featured women who dress like Western women? Is it Ethiopian women? Eritrean women?

  96. @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    Ha, you have to go back half a millennia to try to come up with misdeeds by Muslims remotely comparable to American and Jewish ongoing atrocities.

    Replies: @anon, @Anoni, @iSteveFan, @Mr. Anon

    2 million dead Armenians would like to disagree with you. But Muslims raped, tortured, burned and killed them.

    Not much longer ago than the Holocaust.

    Also everybody in the Balkans has historical memories of the permanent atrocity that was Ottoman Rule.

    Then there are the millions (tens of millions of slaves, according to some) muslims took from the Slavs and Africa. Boys for your second favorite pleasure (goats first, of course) might make a million alone.

    Your atrocity account is bigger than anybody. Hope you like it hot. It will be blazing where your kind is going to end up.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anoni

    You are talking about completely unrelated conflicts. America is bombing the Middle East. It is also assisting Israel in cleansing Palestine and other areas of the Levant of Muslims who have lived there for centuries. That is the source of this conflict. Muslims are only retaliating. In fact, their acts of retaliation have been--so far--much milder than our crime.

    Replies: @anon

  97. @guest
    @Anonymous

    I don't think you responded to the proper poster.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That was properly addressed to you, who wrote: “Somalis aren’t from the Middle East, you boob. They’re not fleeing our bombs.”

    • Replies: @guest
    @Anonymous

    What was with the italicized part, then? I didn't say that.

  98. @Jefferson
    "We understand in St. Cloud there is more anti-Muslim organizing and we hope they do not use this incident to divide … our community.”

    A Muslim stabs a bunch of White people and it's White people that are dividing the community, not Muslims This is some Onion shit.

    Replies: @415 reasons

    Dividing people’s skin and organs, I suppose.

    I propose we keep the Somali community of St. Cloud intact, first on a series of buses to MSP and then on chartered 747s heading for Mogadishu.

  99. @anon
    @Clyde

    I don't get it either. Yet they never seem to go to Israel, although that country is much closer to them then any of the other places. Hmmm....

    Replies: @International Jew, @Karl

    Israel has a few thousand Somalis, and many more Eritreans and Sudanese, who snuck in before the Sinai border fence was erected. It’s been hard to get rid of them because of pressure from the UN and EU, and from Israel’s own population of left-wing moonbats.

  100. @Cwhatfuture
    Sure with these Somalis we have to put up with an occasional terror attack but we get an unproductive population on welfare.

    Replies: @415 reasons

    They’re also petty criminals, too! Truly a blessing.

    I’ve long proposed that those Lutheran church moms who wanted to bring them to Minneapolis should have to first sign up to house a Somali family in their rumpus room in Edina. Somehow I feel like there would be a lot less Somalis in Minnesota if they avoided that precondition.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @415 reasons

    But Somali's make good meatpacking plant workers, ostensibly work regular Americans won't do anymore. The training and desensitisation one receives on the job that makes it easy to go after other human beings with a blade is just an added perk.

    A real American would have used a gun, and we all know how dangerous and bad guns are, so we should be grateful the elites are bringing in Somalis, as it helps reduce gun violene, albeit as a share of total violence.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    , @bomag
    @415 reasons


    have to first sign up to house a Somali family in their rumpus room
     
    Indeed.

    The logic here is just abysmal: "These Somalis are so dysfunctional that they are in danger of going extinct, so let us import a bunch of them and keep them alive... for awhile, anyway, until we go extinct, in part from importing such as them who crowd out the functional natives."
  101. @Harry Baldwin
    @Jefferson

    When I was in Minneapolis a few years ago, the Somali women I saw working as baggers in the supermarket wore head scarves and traditional dress.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “When I was in Minneapolis a few years ago, the Somali women I saw working as baggers in the supermarket wore head scarves and traditional dress.”

    Than who are the Horn Of Africa facial featured women who dress like Western women? Is it Ethiopian women? Eritrean women?

  102. @Clyde
    I knew he was Somali before his knife hit the ground. Somalis are the world's worst immigrants but they somehow magically get entree into the US, Canada, England, Australia. All have large Somali populations. I don't get it. You would think that "Black Hawk Down" would have killed their chances. Instead it increased them.

    Replies: @anon, @415 reasons, @Harold, @Anonymous Nephew, @Brutusale, @AnotherDad

    Since the purpose of refugees seems to be virtue signaling by wicked elite morons, Somalis are actually perfect immigrants. Extremely low IQ, unassimilatable, don’t work, commit petty property crime, violent crime AND are predisposed to domestic terrorism, going abroad for terrorism, and terror funding. If you can turn the other cheek to a Somali community that harasses your women, mugs your old folks, fights with your local African American community, sends money to Al Shabab, goes to Syria to fight for ISIS, and now brings terror to your own backyard, you’ve proved you are truly a clueless idiot. In other words, you will have proved you are not a racist(tm) and a good person.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @415 reasons

    It has become clear that the purpose of immigration is to punish us.

  103. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anoni
    @Anonymous

    2 million dead Armenians would like to disagree with you. But Muslims raped, tortured, burned and killed them.

    Not much longer ago than the Holocaust.

    Also everybody in the Balkans has historical memories of the permanent atrocity that was Ottoman Rule.

    Then there are the millions (tens of millions of slaves, according to some) muslims took from the Slavs and Africa. Boys for your second favorite pleasure (goats first, of course) might make a million alone.

    Your atrocity account is bigger than anybody. Hope you like it hot. It will be blazing where your kind is going to end up.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    You are talking about completely unrelated conflicts. America is bombing the Middle East. It is also assisting Israel in cleansing Palestine and other areas of the Levant of Muslims who have lived there for centuries. That is the source of this conflict. Muslims are only retaliating. In fact, their acts of retaliation have been–so far–much milder than our crime.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    so thats why somalis are stabbing people in minnesota , boko haram is kidnappin christian girls in nigeria , afghani men are raping 10 year old bacha bazzi boys and mauritania is trading slaves and sudan is comitting genocide on christians and indonesia is commiting genocide on christians.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  104. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    We have been bombing and killing and displacing them by the tens of millions. Your analogy is backwards.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @ben tillman, @biz, @biz

    We have been bombing and killing and displacing them by the tens of millions. Your analogy is backwards.

    No, “we” haven’t. Our rulers have.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @ben tillman

    No, not entirely true. Our rulers have had the support of a large percentage of the Anerican population in the murder and dispossession of the Middle East. And many Americans--decidedly non-rulers--have been on the ground, on the seas, and in the skies, carrying out those crimes. Besides, we all finance the government.

    It's time we grew up and took some responsibility for the actions of our elected representatives.

    Replies: @Karl, @ben tillman

    , @Anonymous
    @ben tillman

    And we are best positioned to stop these rulers. We are the least cost avoiders.

  105. @Twinkie
    @el topo


    “Allah Akbar!”
     
    To knit pick a little, I believe the expression is "Allahu Akbar," not "Allah Akbar" ("God IS great," as opposed to "God Great").

    Replies: @el topo, @ben tillman, @Mr. Anon, @Perplexed

    To knit pick a little, I believe the expression is “Allahu Akbar,” not “Allah Akbar” (“God IS great,” as opposed to “God Great”).

    And to nitpick a little more . . . .

  106. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman
    @Anonymous


    We have been bombing and killing and displacing them by the tens of millions. Your analogy is backwards.
     
    No, "we" haven't. Our rulers have.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    No, not entirely true. Our rulers have had the support of a large percentage of the Anerican population in the murder and dispossession of the Middle East. And many Americans–decidedly non-rulers–have been on the ground, on the seas, and in the skies, carrying out those crimes. Besides, we all finance the government.

    It’s time we grew up and took some responsibility for the actions of our elected representatives.

    • Replies: @Karl
    @Anonymous

    > in the murder and dispossession of the Middle East


    you're talking about the dispossession from their homeland, of the indigenous Coptic Christians from Egypt by invading Arabic-speakers, correct?

    The Berbers of North Africa also have some opinions about the Arabic-speakers.

    I understand that you couldn't believe your eyes when Hebrew was revived and made the ruling language in Jerusalem...... but actually, you haven't seen nothing yet. Wait till we restore Coptic-Christian sovereignty in Gaza.

    And wait till we flood Bethlehem and Nazareth with Pakistani Christians.

    , @ben tillman
    @Anonymous


    No, not entirely true. Our rulers have had the support of a large percentage of the Anerican population in the murder and dispossession of the Middle East.
     
    The government lies to the people, and most of the people trust the government and believe the lie. That's not support; the will of the people is in no way a cause of the phenomenon of aggression. It's a result.

    Replies: @Perplexed

  107. @Anonymous
    @Cwhatfuture

    First thing we should kick them out, if they in America believe that we are attacking them when we attack a foreign nation.

    Do you also find it odd that Americans who believe they are jewish feel under attack when there is retaliation in Israel or France against other people who think they are jewish? Or what about all the attention given by jewish-Americans in the United States to jews in Germany during WWII? Weird, huh?

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture

    What I find odd is your sentence structure and grammar and your bizarre analogies.

    Anyway, thanks for pointing out that Muslims in America take the side of Muslim foreign nations, when America is at war with those foreign nations.

    We must remove these Muslims immediately.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Cwhatfuture

    What I find odd is your sentence structure and grammar

    The analogies are sound. What specifically is odd about the sentence structure and grammar?

  108. @Anonymous
    @Anoni

    You are talking about completely unrelated conflicts. America is bombing the Middle East. It is also assisting Israel in cleansing Palestine and other areas of the Levant of Muslims who have lived there for centuries. That is the source of this conflict. Muslims are only retaliating. In fact, their acts of retaliation have been--so far--much milder than our crime.

    Replies: @anon

    so thats why somalis are stabbing people in minnesota , boko haram is kidnappin christian girls in nigeria , afghani men are raping 10 year old bacha bazzi boys and mauritania is trading slaves and sudan is comitting genocide on christians and indonesia is commiting genocide on christians.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    so thats why somalis are stabbing people in minnesota

    Our concern is with the American people and Somalis are stabbing people in Minn because of American atrocities in the Middle East and in Somalia.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  109. @AKAHorace
    @Jefferson

    Muslim terrorist respects gun free zone. Tries to kill people with a knife.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Muslim terrorist respects gun free zone. Tries to kill people with a knife.”

    The only reason he didn’t use a gun is because he most likely could not financially afford one.

    Somalis in America are as poor as Natives on reservations.

  110. @Cwhatfuture
    @Anonymous

    What I find odd is your sentence structure and grammar and your bizarre analogies.

    Anyway, thanks for pointing out that Muslims in America take the side of Muslim foreign nations, when America is at war with those foreign nations.

    We must remove these Muslims immediately.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    What I find odd is your sentence structure and grammar

    The analogies are sound. What specifically is odd about the sentence structure and grammar?

  111. @Halvorson
    St. Cloud is a part of Michelle Bachmann's old congressional district, a basically conservative place home to an extraordinary number of German Catholics. The rarity of Protestants there has somehow not stopped Lutheran Social Services (not really Lutheran, 90% government funded) from dumping thousands of sullen Somalis there in the past 10 years to the extreme disapproval of the locals.

    On a similar, weirder note there is a tiny town in western Minnesota that has inexplicably become majority Micronesian ("Micros", the kids call them) in the last 5 years. They add vibrancy, a insightful local writer believes:
    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2013/08/16/ground-level-american-countryside-milan

    I am really starting to think Minnesotans do not understand that Trump's Muslim or refugee ban would keep Somalis out. Someone needs to sit them down and work out explicitly that Somali=Muslim=banned under Trump's immigration plan.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @guest, @(((Owen))), @Hibernian

    The Minnesotans appear to like the Somalis and want more of them. I think they especially like seeing their children beaten, robbed, raped, and killed.

    They’re voting for Hillary and preferred Rubio in the primary. Trump came in third.

    I say, send them all the Moslems from my local community and the rest of the country. That’s what they want. Then fence off the whole state and give the frozen waste to Canada.

  112. @anon
    @Anonymous

    so thats why somalis are stabbing people in minnesota , boko haram is kidnappin christian girls in nigeria , afghani men are raping 10 year old bacha bazzi boys and mauritania is trading slaves and sudan is comitting genocide on christians and indonesia is commiting genocide on christians.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    so thats why somalis are stabbing people in minnesota

    Our concern is with the American people and Somalis are stabbing people in Minn because of American atrocities in the Middle East and in Somalia.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    "Our concern is with the American people....."

    No, that doesn't appear to be your concern at all.

  113. I’ve lived in St Cloud for the past thirty years.

    Starting about fifteen years ago Catholic Charities and Lutheran Social Services started importing Somalis by the hundreds until now, this metro area of about 100,000 has about 7,000 Somalis.

    The local SJWs and CAIR are the real stinkers in this story. Because some local residents started questioning the costs of sustaining this immigrant population and invited out of state speakers to discuss the issue, the SJWs and even Governor Mark Dayton regularly slanders the area as a hotbed of anti-Muslim bigotry. No Somali has ever been shot, stabbed or even assaulted in the area based on racial or ethnic animus. The anti-Muslim slander upon the area is solely based on status seeking by CAIR and other SJWs.

    Our mentally fragile governor who suffers from unresolved daddy issues because his father was rich from starting Dayton’s and Target stores, feels righteous when he slanders Central Minnesota whites. He will be coming here tomorrow to remind us that the most important lesson is to not generalize about local Muslims based on one of them being an actual terrorist, but to feel free to stereotype the local whites as racist hillbillies without the need for actual evidence.

    I can tolerate one local jihadi going nuts and stabbing people without declaring war on the local Somalis. The Somalis themselves are not a problem. They are shy, distant and stick to themselves, kind of like the original Germans and Norwegians that settled this area. They rarely speak English when in public.

    The Somali kids are not troublemakers which I attribute to them generally having two parents. They love playing soccer in the parks until dusk, just like American kids and pick-up baseball a couple generations ago.

    No, the problem is our PC government and local institutions that demand that we genuflect at the alter of “diversity”. They pucker up and plant a nice wet sloppy kiss on Somali/Muslim asses. And if we don’t applaud, we are branded racists.

    CAIR and other SJWs are constantly extorting special privileges for the local Somalis. A high school kid makes a terrorist joke about a classmate and the Somali students get indignant and go on strike. The SJWs then extort more and more.

    In the last half-dozen years the racial extortion meant rigging the hiring of a black police chief, a black head of transit, and a black school superintendent. And all they had to do was rob white people of their civil rights. In the name of securing the ephemeral “benefits” of diversity, whites have become second class citizens.

    When I moved to St Cloud from the urban Twin Cities thirty years ago, I was stunned by the friendliness and cordiality of the people of “White Cloud”. Now the PC mafia have turned the local whites into second class citizens who must be broken on the wheel to understand the benefits of diversity.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Eddy Wobegon

    As I said above, I lived in St. Cloud for 5 years. I literally never heard the phrase "White Cloud" before the attack yesterday. What a ridiculous nickname. Every city in that region is majority white.

    Must come from the bubble-dwellers of the metro area, where I have lived in most of my life. Which is of course infested with every ethnicity under the sun, though we mostly keep to ourselves. There was plenty of vibrancy in St. Cloud, too. I imagine you can't go to any U.S. city with a population of 50,000 or more without it.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  114. @ben tillman
    @Anonymous


    We have been bombing and killing and displacing them by the tens of millions. Your analogy is backwards.
     
    No, "we" haven't. Our rulers have.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    And we are best positioned to stop these rulers. We are the least cost avoiders.

  115. @Laugh Track
    The political tensions and polarizations of 2016 remind me all too much of 1968 and 1969, which were hell to live through. I was a college kid at the time, decidedly to the left, but even I didn't like the choices I was given. "You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem," was repeated ad nauseam -- a false choice I thought, especially when the "solution" being touted was a revolution led by Marxist-Leninists.

    Five decades later, we are presented with either hugging Muslims or hating them. I consider this a false choice as well. Here's the thing: I've hung with a good number of Muslims over the past 25 years. All of them were what I would describe as moderate everyday Muslims, some of them American converts and some of them born into Islam overseas. I think it accurate to say that none of them sympathize with ISIS or Islamism and all of them are repelled by terrorism in the name of Islam.

    However, they've not explicitly spoken out against terrorism because their instinct is to keep their heads down and not draw attention to themselves, either from other Muslims or non-Muslims. I think this is a mistake, because it cedes the public's image of Muslims to the extremist maniacs.

    All that said, I do not think that Trump's proposal to halt the immigration of more Muslims to the U.S. (until we really know where we stand) is particularly "deplorable" or "hateful". It strikes me as simply practical and sensible. And that goes for a general moratorium on immigration as well.

    This latest outrage in St. Cloud is certainly vile, no question about that. But I do not think that it need lead to a +/- false dichotomy regarding the Muslims who are already here. In my experience, the majority of them are just everyday folks trying to fit in as best they can. The murderous crazies are the exceptions. But I have to admit that I am much less positively disposed towards Islam than I once was. And that is the biggest irony of the rabid Islamists. They are making those of us who were previously most tolerant toward Muslims have second thoughts.

    Replies: @anon, @Anon, @Anonym

    Have you ever taken the time to read the Koran, and learn how it works? That really makes a difference. Islam is fundamentally different from Christianity. Religions share a lot of mechanisms, but the tenets are different, and have real world consequences.

    I have known a few Muslims, and they can be nice. I am very civil in the real world too, but how I would like the country run is another matter entirely, and I think few people would guess it just by talking to me. If I’m like that, Muslims can be like that too.

    A 90% Muslim country is going to be a really nasty place to be one of the 10% non-Muslims, and we are just kidding ourselves if we think the magic dirt we have is going to make it any different. It’s a lot better to take some action when we are 90% or 95%.

  116. @Harry Baldwin
    Part-time police officer Jason Falconer was very well prepared for the event at the mall. In fact, he may have been over-qualified. Here is his profile, from the website of the training facility he runs:

    Jason Falconer is the President and Owner of Tactical Advantage and has also been operating Tactical Advantage Firearms Training, Inc., since 2003. Tactical Advantage currently concentrates on firearms training for individuals in a group or private setting, including permit to carry training classes in Minnesota. Jason has also created advanced and customized classes for individuals who desire more advanced safety training. As a consulting member of SMEAC, Jason specializes in reality-based firearms, law enforcement and personal security training. His business has grown primarily through student referrals, and he takes great pride in providing the best training options available in Central MN.

    Jason believes everyone can always learn something new, no matter what their expertise or discipline. That is why continued education and training has been a strong personal interest of his. As a result, he has attended some of the best firearms training schools in the United States. His goal is to teach individuals the mindset, knowledge and skills needed to be successful with firearms in order to secure their personal safety or that of their family; at home or in public. As a firearm training professional, he continuously researches and develops new curriculum and training methods to make the experience for his students the best they can get.

    Since 2008, Jason has been assisting Ted Boran with St. Cloud State University Law Enforcement Skills Training in the disciplines of decision shooting and dynamic entry. He intends to use this experience to further develop the curriculum to help law enforcement professionals and responsible citizens the benefits of reality-based training. Jason believes that although civilian and law enforcement students can obtain great firearms training from various sources, they are missing a key component in their personal safety training if that training is not reality-based.

    Jason has a law enforcement background and is the former Police Chief of the Albany Police Department where he continues to serve as a part-time officer. Jason also serves as the department’s firearms instructor, and has created POST Board approved firearms training curriculum.

    Jason has been a member of the United States Practical Shooters Association (USPSA) as well as a local club, St. Cloud Area Practical Shooters Association (SCAPSA) for many years. He competes at the SCAPSA outdoor range in matches and league competitions year-round, and has attained several league championships in various divisions. Jason is an avid three-gun competitor and has been privileged to participate on shooting squads at various 3-gun and tactical shotgun matches with professional shooters such as James Casanova, Rob Romero, Mark Harnish, Janson Jensen, Mark Miller, and Dave Neth. In June 2012, St. Cloud hosted the CAN-AM Games for Law Enforcement and Firefighters from around the world. Jason was fortunate to compete in various Can-Am events including two of his passions, shooting sports and ice hockey. For his efforts, as well as his team members, Jason earned six Can-Am medals, five for shooting events, and one for hockey. This was a tremendous experience to be treasured.
     

    Incidentally, the sign at the entrance of the mall reads:

    Code of Conduct

    While visiting this mall, the following general activities will not be accepted:

    Violations of the law
    Any activity that threatens the safety of our guests, tenants and/or employees
    Any activity that threatens the well-being of the property
    Any activity that disrupts our pleasant, family-oriented shopping environment
    Any activity inconsistent with the general purpose of the property, which is shopping, dining, visiting theaters or offices for business purposes
    Any activity that would disrupt the legitimate business of the property and its tenants

    Examples of specific activities that are prohibited include but are not limited to:

    Disruptive profanity, vulgar or threatening language
    Unnecessarily blocking walkways, roadways or storefronts
    Running, horseplay or disorderly conduct of any nature
    Excessive loitering
    Operating unauthorized recreational and/or personal transportation devices in the shopping center
    No firearms or illegal weapons

     

    It's shocking how many of these rules the mall stabber violated.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Anonym, @Anonymous, @International Jew, @Chrisnonymous

    Oh man, that dirtbag sure picked the wrong mall to attack.

  117. @Jefferson
    @guest

    "I don’t remember ever speaking to a Somali, though I did know an Ethiopian."

    I remember Lot said Ethiopians are more tolerable than Somalis.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    I remember Lot said Ethiopians are more tolerable than Somalis.

    Most Ethiopians are Coptic Christians. The Church in Ethiopia goes way back to St. Matthew and they are rather proud that they were the first nation to officially embrace Christianity, in the 4th century AD.

  118. @Clyde
    I knew he was Somali before his knife hit the ground. Somalis are the world's worst immigrants but they somehow magically get entree into the US, Canada, England, Australia. All have large Somali populations. I don't get it. You would think that "Black Hawk Down" would have killed their chances. Instead it increased them.

    Replies: @anon, @415 reasons, @Harold, @Anonymous Nephew, @Brutusale, @AnotherDad

    A corollary of Auster’s First Law?

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Harold

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/009226.html I had to read it again. I had forgotten, but its as true now as it was in 2007. This also applies to the self mutilating trans people with their bathrooms. The liberals and Apple CEO, other Silicon Valley CEOs lionized them. The bleeding edge of societal change. Who are we to judge?

  119. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Only slightly OT: THe poloice have arrested five suspects in the NYC bombings. Pardon my prejudices but that this happened so quickly suggests to me a Somali-level of inept stupidity on the part of the perps: http://abc7ny.com/news/multiple-people-taken-into-custody-in-connection-with-chelsea-explosion/1517053/

    Replies: @TangoMan, @Wilkey

    It might be incompetence on the part of bombers but is I suspect it has more to do with the prevalence of video recorders everywhere combined with facial recognition technology. Cameras don’t prevent much crime but what they record makes finding perps after the fact a much easier project.

    Try to navigate in NYC without being recorded on camera.

  120. Come on folks, it’s obvious this is a false-flag operation planned by The Deplorables against Hillary’s presidential bid.

  121. @Eddy Wobegon
    I've lived in St Cloud for the past thirty years.

    Starting about fifteen years ago Catholic Charities and Lutheran Social Services started importing Somalis by the hundreds until now, this metro area of about 100,000 has about 7,000 Somalis.

    The local SJWs and CAIR are the real stinkers in this story. Because some local residents started questioning the costs of sustaining this immigrant population and invited out of state speakers to discuss the issue, the SJWs and even Governor Mark Dayton regularly slanders the area as a hotbed of anti-Muslim bigotry. No Somali has ever been shot, stabbed or even assaulted in the area based on racial or ethnic animus. The anti-Muslim slander upon the area is solely based on status seeking by CAIR and other SJWs.

    Our mentally fragile governor who suffers from unresolved daddy issues because his father was rich from starting Dayton's and Target stores, feels righteous when he slanders Central Minnesota whites. He will be coming here tomorrow to remind us that the most important lesson is to not generalize about local Muslims based on one of them being an actual terrorist, but to feel free to stereotype the local whites as racist hillbillies without the need for actual evidence.

    I can tolerate one local jihadi going nuts and stabbing people without declaring war on the local Somalis. The Somalis themselves are not a problem. They are shy, distant and stick to themselves, kind of like the original Germans and Norwegians that settled this area. They rarely speak English when in public.

    The Somali kids are not troublemakers which I attribute to them generally having two parents. They love playing soccer in the parks until dusk, just like American kids and pick-up baseball a couple generations ago.

    No, the problem is our PC government and local institutions that demand that we genuflect at the alter of "diversity". They pucker up and plant a nice wet sloppy kiss on Somali/Muslim asses. And if we don't applaud, we are branded racists.

    CAIR and other SJWs are constantly extorting special privileges for the local Somalis. A high school kid makes a terrorist joke about a classmate and the Somali students get indignant and go on strike. The SJWs then extort more and more.

    In the last half-dozen years the racial extortion meant rigging the hiring of a black police chief, a black head of transit, and a black school superintendent. And all they had to do was rob white people of their civil rights. In the name of securing the ephemeral "benefits" of diversity, whites have become second class citizens.

    When I moved to St Cloud from the urban Twin Cities thirty years ago, I was stunned by the friendliness and cordiality of the people of "White Cloud". Now the PC mafia have turned the local whites into second class citizens who must be broken on the wheel to understand the benefits of diversity.

    Replies: @guest

    As I said above, I lived in St. Cloud for 5 years. I literally never heard the phrase “White Cloud” before the attack yesterday. What a ridiculous nickname. Every city in that region is majority white.

    Must come from the bubble-dwellers of the metro area, where I have lived in most of my life. Which is of course infested with every ethnicity under the sun, though we mostly keep to ourselves. There was plenty of vibrancy in St. Cloud, too. I imagine you can’t go to any U.S. city with a population of 50,000 or more without it.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @guest

    "There was plenty of vibrancy in St. Cloud, too. I imagine you can’t go to any U.S. city with a population of 50,000 or more without it."

    You can still find some very White cities with a population of over 50,000 people in states like Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Idaho, Utah, Iowa, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Oregon, Kansas, etc.

    Replies: @Barnard

  122. @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    Ha, you have to go back half a millennia to try to come up with misdeeds by Muslims remotely comparable to American and Jewish ongoing atrocities.

    Replies: @anon, @Anoni, @iSteveFan, @Mr. Anon

    Well at least you are not denying their misdeeds. However, one doesn’t need to go back that far. As others have pointed out, muslim misdeeds have never really ended.

  123. @Anonymous
    @guest

    That was properly addressed to you, who wrote: "Somalis aren’t from the Middle East, you boob. They’re not fleeing our bombs."

    Replies: @guest

    What was with the italicized part, then? I didn’t say that.

  124. @el topo
    @Twinkie

    I actually considered that but went with the basic version. Spend a lot of time on Twitter and you tend to dumb things down a bit.

    And to nitpick back - this is how nitpick is spelled ;)

    Replies: @Twinkie

    And to nitpick back – this is how nitpick is spelled 😉

    Touche!

  125. @Anonymous
    @Ben h

    How so?

    How much empathy do Americans feel toward Muslims for the millions of Muslims killed in U.S.- and Israeli-instigated wars in the past hundred years? For bombing them to smithereens?

    The empathy problem is ours, not theirs. You seem to think their blood is worth nothing.

    Replies: @anon, @Ben H, @anon, @Cwhatfuture, @iSteveFan, @Mr. Anon, @Karl

    “How much empathy do Americans feel toward Muslims for the millions of Muslims killed in U.S.- and Israeli-instigated wars in the past hundred years?”

    The past hundred years? I wasn’t aware that Israel existed in 1916. And I wasn’t aware that General Black Jack Pershing was leading a punitive expedition in the fertile crescent at the time. I thought he was in Mexico to chastise Pancho Villa.

    Not much empathy for muslims? Damned right. So why do they come here where they are not wanted? Why do they take our SBA loans to buy up our gas-stations, mini-marts, and subway franchises if they feel so unwelcome here? Peddle your BS elsewhere.

  126. @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    Ha, you have to go back half a millennia to try to come up with misdeeds by Muslims remotely comparable to American and Jewish ongoing atrocities.

    Replies: @anon, @Anoni, @iSteveFan, @Mr. Anon

    “Ha, you have to go back half a millennia to try to come up with misdeeds by Muslims remotely comparable to American and Jewish ongoing atrocities.”

    You think that Hafez al Assad and Saddam Hussein were great humanitarians? How many Syrians did Assad kill? How many Iraqis and Iranians did Hussein kill?

    Your religion (based on your tone, I am assuming that you are muslim) is – at best – oppressive, deceitful, and backward. At worst, it is a depraved death-cult. You don’t like that we think that? You don’t have to stay here. Leave. These are our lands. Not yours.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    @Mr. Anon

    Not the best of examples, as both al Assad and Hussein were secular Baathists.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  127. @Anonymous
    @anon

    so thats why somalis are stabbing people in minnesota

    Our concern is with the American people and Somalis are stabbing people in Minn because of American atrocities in the Middle East and in Somalia.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “Our concern is with the American people…..”

    No, that doesn’t appear to be your concern at all.

  128. @Twinkie
    @el topo


    “Allah Akbar!”
     
    To knit pick a little, I believe the expression is "Allahu Akbar," not "Allah Akbar" ("God IS great," as opposed to "God Great").

    Replies: @el topo, @ben tillman, @Mr. Anon, @Perplexed

    “To knit pick a little, I believe the expression is “Allahu Akbar,” not “Allah Akbar” ”

    Other acceptable forms:

    Aloha Snackbar

    Admiral Akbar

    Allstate Nascar

    • Replies: @dr kill
    @Mr. Anon

    Don't forget the popular Proggie greeting, Obama Alaikum

    Proper response - Alaikum Obama

    , @Joe Schmoe
    @Mr. Anon




    Aloha Snackbar

    Admiral Akbar

    Allstate Nascar

     

    Okay, you have got to be great at Scrabble.
  129. @guest
    @Eddy Wobegon

    As I said above, I lived in St. Cloud for 5 years. I literally never heard the phrase "White Cloud" before the attack yesterday. What a ridiculous nickname. Every city in that region is majority white.

    Must come from the bubble-dwellers of the metro area, where I have lived in most of my life. Which is of course infested with every ethnicity under the sun, though we mostly keep to ourselves. There was plenty of vibrancy in St. Cloud, too. I imagine you can't go to any U.S. city with a population of 50,000 or more without it.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “There was plenty of vibrancy in St. Cloud, too. I imagine you can’t go to any U.S. city with a population of 50,000 or more without it.”

    You can still find some very White cities with a population of over 50,000 people in states like Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Idaho, Utah, Iowa, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Oregon, Kansas, etc.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Jefferson

    It depends on what you mean by very white. You are going to be hard pressed to find over 90% white in any of those places anymore and you can forget about over 95%.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  130. @Twinkie
    @anon


    Do Buddhists in non-Buddhist countries typically cause this much trouble for their hosts?
     
    1. Islamists are typically much more violent than Buddhists, for a host of historical, doctrinal, and other reasons. Even so, that violence is concentrated along very specific sectarian lines.

    2. Buddhists are fewer than a third of the population of Muslims, and half of those Buddhists live in a politically authoritarian country (China) where religion-tinged violence is stridently suppressed.

    3. Muslims tend to live in civilizational fault lines with greater propensity for inter-communal conflict. Where Buddhists do also, they become rather violent as well (e.g. Myanmar).

    4. None of the above should lead one to assume that Buddhists are intrinsically non-violent. History argues against that assumption (China, Japan, Mongolia, etc.).

    Replies: @anon, @Jefferson, @Mr. Anon, @Joe Schmoe, @Marcus

    “Muslims tend to live in civilizational fault lines with greater propensity for inter-communal conflict.”

    That’s because where ever muslims live, they create such fault-lines with greater propensity for violence. Even amongst themselves.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Mr. Anon


    That’s because where ever muslims live, they create such fault-lines with greater propensity for violence. Even amongst themselves.
     
    There is some truth to this, of course, but it is not entirely the case. Islam, as a civilization, has been always a *border* civilization. In times of martial superiority, this meant Islamic polities had the benefits of interior lines. But in times of weakness, it would be beset by enemies - or at least competitors and rivals - in every direction. Furthermore, borders - or marches, to use an older English expression - tend to breed fractious people, regardless of religion.
  131. @Clyde
    I knew he was Somali before his knife hit the ground. Somalis are the world's worst immigrants but they somehow magically get entree into the US, Canada, England, Australia. All have large Somali populations. I don't get it. You would think that "Black Hawk Down" would have killed their chances. Instead it increased them.

    Replies: @anon, @415 reasons, @Harold, @Anonymous Nephew, @Brutusale, @AnotherDad

    The UK presence is in part down to EU freedom of movement. Holland (and Denmark) gave asylum to large numbers, but to aid integration and prevent the formation of ghettoes spread them out over the country. When they realised that in the UK they could all cluster together and make no attempt at integration, then naturally “frustrated Somalis flee Holland for the freedom of Britain” .

    “It’s not that the British are more friendly than the Dutch, it is just that they let us stay as we are.”

    The author, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, is the son of a famous anthropologist specialising in Africa, but he doesn’t seem to have learned much from his dad.

    “Academic studies estimate that there are now 70,000 to 100,000 Somalis in Britain. Officially the figure is 20,000.”

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Anonymous Nephew


    The UK presence is in part down to EU freedom of movement. Holland (and Denmark) gave asylum to large numbers, but to aid integration and prevent the formation of ghettoes spread them out over the country. When they realised that in the UK they could all cluster together and make no attempt at integration, then naturally “frustrated Somalis flee Holland for the freedom of Britain” .
     
    Thanks! That explains a lot. Why UK has accepted so many Somalis. Seems they got to the UK indirectly via Holland and other EU nations. They can go "welfare benefits shopping" and UK was/is the best deal

    Replies: @5371

  132. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    Collateral deaths of civilians in legally sanctioned wars (whether waged for a good or bad reason) are not the same as explicit targeting of (only) civilians in illegal forms of warfare (terrorism).

    Why not?

    But in any case, your premises is false.

    --Not only "collateral" deaths of "civilians"
    --Our and Israel's violence is not legally sanctioned
    --They don't only target civilians

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Karl

    Collateral deaths of civilians in legally sanctioned wars (whether waged for a good or bad reason) are not the same as explicit targeting of (only) civilians in illegal forms of warfare (terrorism).

    Why not?

    There are internationally-agreed conventions of warfare for good reasons.

    –Not only “collateral” deaths of “civilians”

    Are you suggesting the U.S. Armed Forces deliberately target civilians?

    –Our and Israel’s violence is not legally sanctioned

    I won’t speak for Israel, but our military has legions of lawyers to make sure our forces abide by international and our own rules of conduct in warfare.

    –They don’t only target civilians

    By and large, terrorists target civilians because it is easier. Indeed the whole point of terrorism is to *terrorize* the civilian population rather than confront armed forces of the opposing side.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    The Iraq invasion was illegal.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  133. @Mr. Anon
    @Twinkie

    "Muslims tend to live in civilizational fault lines with greater propensity for inter-communal conflict."

    That's because where ever muslims live, they create such fault-lines with greater propensity for violence. Even amongst themselves.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    That’s because where ever muslims live, they create such fault-lines with greater propensity for violence. Even amongst themselves.

    There is some truth to this, of course, but it is not entirely the case. Islam, as a civilization, has been always a *border* civilization. In times of martial superiority, this meant Islamic polities had the benefits of interior lines. But in times of weakness, it would be beset by enemies – or at least competitors and rivals – in every direction. Furthermore, borders – or marches, to use an older English expression – tend to breed fractious people, regardless of religion.

  134. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    In all likelihood Islamist terrorists have killed more Muslims than non-Muslims. But that is consistent with the idea that the wider Islamic world is undergoing a civil war, something akin to the Thirty Years’ War

    What is the U.S.-caused body count in the Middle East. Dang you all are narcissistic.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Antonymous, @Antonymous

    What is the U.S.-caused body count in the Middle East. Dang you all are narcissistic.

    Are you suggesting, without our participation in Middle Eastern conflicts, it would have been all peaches and cream there?

    This sounds suspiciously like “[American] Indians were all peace-loving people in tune with nature until the white men arrived” type of a talk. What’s really narcissistic is to think that the United States is the causal agent of violence and suffering around the world. We are a kind of a hegemonic power, to be sure, but we have our limits.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    I'm suggesting that the United Stated is bombing the Middle East and Somalia. And the people of the Middle East and Somalia have a right to defend themselves from our violence and interventions.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  135. @Anonymous
    @Ben h

    How so?

    How much empathy do Americans feel toward Muslims for the millions of Muslims killed in U.S.- and Israeli-instigated wars in the past hundred years? For bombing them to smithereens?

    The empathy problem is ours, not theirs. You seem to think their blood is worth nothing.

    Replies: @anon, @Ben H, @anon, @Cwhatfuture, @iSteveFan, @Mr. Anon, @Karl

    > for the millions of Muslims killed in U.S.- and Israeli-instigated wars in the past hundred years? For bombing them to smithereens? The empathy problem is ours, not theirs

    So, you agree with me that those poor oppressed Somalis should leave America as soon as possible, so that their tax dollars never go towards bombing a “Muslim country”?

  136. @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Moslems have to change.

    Americans and Israelis need to change. We are the ones bombing them, pushing them off their homelands.

    Replies: @Anoni, @Karl

    > Israelis need to change. We are the ones bombing them, pushing them off their homelands

    so in your opinion, what is the correct homeland ( = indigenous place) of Hebrew ethnic people?

    Or do you just want to push them all into the sea?

    • Replies: @Perplexed
    @Karl

    This is a question I can never get an answer to. Another is about immigration to the U.S.: Is there any upper limit, and what would that number be?

    , @Anonymous
    @Karl

    so in your opinion, what is the correct homeland ( = indigenous place) of Hebrew ethnic people?

    Not Palestine. The United States, for U.S. citizens who believe they are jewish.

    Replies: @Karl, @Karl

  137. @Mr. Anon
    @Twinkie

    "To knit pick a little, I believe the expression is “Allahu Akbar,” not “Allah Akbar” "

    Other acceptable forms:

    Aloha Snackbar

    Admiral Akbar

    Allstate Nascar

    Replies: @dr kill, @Joe Schmoe

    Don’t forget the popular Proggie greeting, Obama Alaikum

    Proper response – Alaikum Obama

  138. @Anonymous
    @ben tillman

    No, not entirely true. Our rulers have had the support of a large percentage of the Anerican population in the murder and dispossession of the Middle East. And many Americans--decidedly non-rulers--have been on the ground, on the seas, and in the skies, carrying out those crimes. Besides, we all finance the government.

    It's time we grew up and took some responsibility for the actions of our elected representatives.

    Replies: @Karl, @ben tillman

    > in the murder and dispossession of the Middle East

    you’re talking about the dispossession from their homeland, of the indigenous Coptic Christians from Egypt by invading Arabic-speakers, correct?

    The Berbers of North Africa also have some opinions about the Arabic-speakers.

    I understand that you couldn’t believe your eyes when Hebrew was revived and made the ruling language in Jerusalem…… but actually, you haven’t seen nothing yet. Wait till we restore Coptic-Christian sovereignty in Gaza.

    And wait till we flood Bethlehem and Nazareth with Pakistani Christians.

  139. @anon
    @Clyde

    I don't get it either. Yet they never seem to go to Israel, although that country is much closer to them then any of the other places. Hmmm....

    Replies: @International Jew, @Karl

    > Yet they never seem to go to Israel, although that country is much closer to them then any of the other place

    Israel doesn’t let the Lutherans decide who gets dropped into Israel.

  140. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    Collateral deaths of civilians in legally sanctioned wars (whether waged for a good or bad reason) are not the same as explicit targeting of (only) civilians in illegal forms of warfare (terrorism).

    Why not?

    But in any case, your premises is false.

    --Not only "collateral" deaths of "civilians"
    --Our and Israel's violence is not legally sanctioned
    --They don't only target civilians

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Karl

    > Our and Israel’s violence is not legally sanctioned

    The Sharia courts don’t get to tell Israel Border Police girls that they cannot shoot men who are rushing them with drawn knives while screaming “Allahu Akhbar”

    there’s quite a few areas where Sharia law operates un-constrained. You are perfectly free to migrate to one of them.

  141. Anonymous [AKA "DoyGurr"] says:

    Are there any accurate statistics about crime in St Cloud, before and after Somali immigration?

    Plenty of arguing here: http://irregulartimes.com/2015/01/31/after-somali-immigrants-arrived-in-minneapolis-did-crime-change-differently-than-in-other-minnesota-cities-fact-check/

    And a snapshot of 2009-2014 Minneapolis here: http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/www/groups/public/@mpd/documents/webcontent/wcms1p-138611.pdf

    .. which shows violent crime is very much a black thing in Minneapolis.

    • Replies: @Eddy Wobegon
    @Anonymous

    The crime rate for Somalis in St Cloud seems about the same rate as whites. Somalis do not commit crime at the rate of American blacks. However in Minneapolis where the Somali population is closer to 40,000 and more densely packed in, they are starting to form gangs, rob, and commit crimes at a higher level than whites.

    Being a more insular community, Somalis don't always report crime to the public authorities so it is hard to tell the actual crime rate of Somalis.

    It is easy to distinguish the East African Somali blacks from the West African American blacks. The men are rail thin and don't cop an attitude when strolling the neighborhood. Somali men exhibit a strongly patriarchal society. They don't respect female authority. Their children are more deferential.

    All in all, I'll take a random Somali over a random American black any day. You'd just have to remind the Somali that they can't drop a load of dirt in their apartment to raise produce.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    Right, because all Somalis imported from Somalia are religious nut jobs hell bent on destroying America. (rolling of eyes)

    "..... which shows violent crime is very much a black thing in Minneapolis."

    Actually, violent crime is very much a poor immigrant thing by people who just happen to be black, no different any European group who came to America with similar financial problems of their own (e.g. the Irish of the 1850's, the Italians of the 1890's).

    Replies: @5371, @guest

  142. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    We have been bombing and killing and displacing them by the tens of millions. Your analogy is backwards.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @ben tillman, @biz, @biz

    Tens of millions? I’d like to see an accounting for that tally.

    Oh right, you pulled it out of your ass.

  143. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    We have been bombing and killing and displacing them by the tens of millions. Your analogy is backwards.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @ben tillman, @biz, @biz

    Ah yes, the old ‘compare the body counts’ fallacy – the last refuge of people who are both illogical idiots and moral monsters.

    All you have to do is compare the body counts to see who are the good guys and who are the bad guys, right? Whoever has killed more is the bad guy. America killed far more people in Nazi Germany and Fascist Japan than those people killed Americans (by a factor of 10 at least) so clearly the Nazis were the good guys and the Americans the bad guys. Yep.

  144. @415 reasons
    @Cwhatfuture

    They're also petty criminals, too! Truly a blessing.

    I've long proposed that those Lutheran church moms who wanted to bring them to Minneapolis should have to first sign up to house a Somali family in their rumpus room in Edina. Somehow I feel like there would be a lot less Somalis in Minnesota if they avoided that precondition.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @bomag

    But Somali’s make good meatpacking plant workers, ostensibly work regular Americans won’t do anymore. The training and desensitisation one receives on the job that makes it easy to go after other human beings with a blade is just an added perk.

    A real American would have used a gun, and we all know how dangerous and bad guns are, so we should be grateful the elites are bringing in Somalis, as it helps reduce gun violene, albeit as a share of total violence.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @The Alarmist


    "But Somali’s make good meatpacking plant workers, ostensibly work regular Americans won’t do anymore. The training and desensitisation one receives on the job that makes it easy to go after other human beings with a blade is just an added perk.
     
    Uh, 100 years ago they used to import Norwegians to be meat packers, cuz my forbears came to Omaha and worked there. Yet for some reason those young disposessed poor Norwegians didn't go berserk in the shopping emporiums. Hmmm... I wonder what the difference could be? Well Omaha is farther south than Norway, while Minnesota is further north than Mogadishu. So..., all that moving north caused something in the brain... I wonder if I could get a grant to research this at the University of Minnesota. A few years and a couple of million dollars and I think I could come up with a "study" of the topic...
  145. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Clyde

    The UK presence is in part down to EU freedom of movement. Holland (and Denmark) gave asylum to large numbers, but to aid integration and prevent the formation of ghettoes spread them out over the country. When they realised that in the UK they could all cluster together and make no attempt at integration, then naturally "frustrated Somalis flee Holland for the freedom of Britain" .

    "It's not that the British are more friendly than the Dutch, it is just that they let us stay as we are."

    The author, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, is the son of a famous anthropologist specialising in Africa, but he doesn't seem to have learned much from his dad.

    "Academic studies estimate that there are now 70,000 to 100,000 Somalis in Britain. Officially the figure is 20,000."

    Replies: @Clyde

    The UK presence is in part down to EU freedom of movement. Holland (and Denmark) gave asylum to large numbers, but to aid integration and prevent the formation of ghettoes spread them out over the country. When they realised that in the UK they could all cluster together and make no attempt at integration, then naturally “frustrated Somalis flee Holland for the freedom of Britain” .

    Thanks! That explains a lot. Why UK has accepted so many Somalis. Seems they got to the UK indirectly via Holland and other EU nations. They can go “welfare benefits shopping” and UK was/is the best deal

    • Replies: @5371
    @Clyde

    Actually, AnonNep's explanation makes more sense than "welfare benefits shopping". Welfare benefits are plenty generous in the Netherlands or Denmark.

    Replies: @Clyde

  146. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Only slightly OT: THe poloice have arrested five suspects in the NYC bombings. Pardon my prejudices but that this happened so quickly suggests to me a Somali-level of inept stupidity on the part of the perps: http://abc7ny.com/news/multiple-people-taken-into-custody-in-connection-with-chelsea-explosion/1517053/

    Replies: @TangoMan, @Wilkey

    Use of bombs. Targeting people at random. Two or more perps.

    Those are the three sure signs of Islamic terrorism. Anytime you hear speculation that “right-wing terrorists” may have been responsible (the one incident we get every five years or so), just remember that the more of those boxes it checks the more likely it is to be Islamic terrorism instead of any other.

    That “right-wing terrorist” who shot up the Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs used a gun, was a lone wolf, and was targeting specific people (or a specific type of person).

    Indeed, the key distinction of Islamic terrorism that proves that it’s an inherently violent ideology is not only that there is so much violence in its name, but that those perpetrating violence in its name seem to have no problem finding other Muslims willing to work with them, or at least not report them.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Wilkey


    Use of bombs. Targeting people at random. Two or more perps.

    Those are the three sure signs of Islamic terrorism.
     
    Not so. The so-called Virtual Ummah that radicalizes Muslims in the West and urges them to engage in personal terrorist attacks doesn't limit its recommended methodology to improvised explosives (though they are featured prominently at times), nor does it suggest "two or more perps."

    As the number of conspirators increases, the chance of detection rises dramatically.

    Its modus operandi has been shifting from that of a centralized core leadership of Arab "Afghanis" (those non-Afghans, mostly Arabs, who fought in the Afghan Jihad against the Soviet Union) directing attacks on the West, to the "franchise" model of delegated regional leaders loosely following the core leadership, to now the highly decentralized model of providing ideological guidance and indoctrination to "self-radicalized" Muslims in the West to launch "lone wolf" attacks that are exceedingly difficult to prevent.

    Indeed, the key distinction of Islamic terrorism that proves that it’s an inherently violent ideology is not only that there is so much violence in its name, but that those perpetrating violence in its name seem to have no problem finding other Muslims willing to work with them, or at least not report them.
     
    That's not a "key distinction of Islamic terrorism" at all. Mao in his "On Guerilla Warfare," urged his cadres to move like a fish in the sea.
  147. @Anonymous
    @Anoni

    This the anti-invade, anti-invite section of the internet. All of us want to get out of the middle east as fast as possible.

    The sooner we understand that the violence against us in the United States is reasonable retaliation for our own actions, the sooner we can get out of this problem.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    “The sooner we understand that the violence against us in the United States is reasonable retaliation for our own actions, the sooner we can get out of this problem.”

    So explain Brussels. Explain Paris and Marseilles. Remember how massively opposed to the Iraq War the French were? Remember “freedom fries”? Explain hundreds of Muslim men gathering in Cologne Square on New Year’s Eve and sexually assaulting the women of a country which had literally just welcomed them as “refugees”?

    Screw you people and all your excuses for why these attacks are justified.

  148. @Percy Gryce
    As Steve has pointed out, frontlashing is a particularly invidious form of blaming the victim.

    It also occurs to me that it is an index of the strength of the Narrative/Megaphone. A healthy media culture would not be so quick to worry so much about the perpetrators of crimes of mass violence or the communities from which they come--particularly while the blood of victims is still flowing or the fires are still hot.

    Replies: @bomag

    It also occurs to me that it is an index of the strength of the Narrative/Megaphone.

    Indeed. Who has immunity tells you who has the power.

    After such events, the Goodthinkers can cut and paste a paraphrase of General Casey’s comments after the Fort Hood shootings:

    “Citizens thinking bad thoughts could potentially heighten backlash against some of our protected groups. And what happened here was a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here. And it’s not just about this protected group. We have a very diverse army. We have a very diverse society. And that gives us all strength.”

  149. @Trelane
    Frontlash is confusing. Even Google doesn't know what to make of the term.

    What is frontlash? The victimized retaliate unjustly against their presumed (but innocent) victimizer?

    I can detect "frontlash" in news articles that present the victimizer group as the "victim" . But what is the concise definition?

    Replies: @the cruncher, @guest, @Chrisnonymous

    incident-backlash = consequences for perp
    incident-frontlash = consequences for victim

    As Sailer imparted his anti-viral influence on the term, it will take a decade or so before it catches on. Around the time the US is imploding…

  150. @Anonymous
    We are bombing and killing the people of the Middle East. Are they not entitled to defend themselves?

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @anon, @Twinkie, @Half canadian, @guest, @Johnny Smoggins

    You raise a very valid point; the U.S. and Israel have oceans of Arab and Muslim blood on their hands. That doesn’t mean, however that Muslims should be allowed to settle in the west to settle their vendettas.

    If the U.S. wants to make amends a good place to start would be forcing Israel to accept full right of return for Palestinians to their homeland.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Johnny Smoggins


    If the U.S. wants to make amends a good place to start would be forcing Israel to accept full right of return for Palestinians to their homeland.
     
    That buys you nothing but sneering disdain and further demands to replace "bad" people with "good" people in other hot spots.
  151. @Harry Baldwin
    Part-time police officer Jason Falconer was very well prepared for the event at the mall. In fact, he may have been over-qualified. Here is his profile, from the website of the training facility he runs:

    Jason Falconer is the President and Owner of Tactical Advantage and has also been operating Tactical Advantage Firearms Training, Inc., since 2003. Tactical Advantage currently concentrates on firearms training for individuals in a group or private setting, including permit to carry training classes in Minnesota. Jason has also created advanced and customized classes for individuals who desire more advanced safety training. As a consulting member of SMEAC, Jason specializes in reality-based firearms, law enforcement and personal security training. His business has grown primarily through student referrals, and he takes great pride in providing the best training options available in Central MN.

    Jason believes everyone can always learn something new, no matter what their expertise or discipline. That is why continued education and training has been a strong personal interest of his. As a result, he has attended some of the best firearms training schools in the United States. His goal is to teach individuals the mindset, knowledge and skills needed to be successful with firearms in order to secure their personal safety or that of their family; at home or in public. As a firearm training professional, he continuously researches and develops new curriculum and training methods to make the experience for his students the best they can get.

    Since 2008, Jason has been assisting Ted Boran with St. Cloud State University Law Enforcement Skills Training in the disciplines of decision shooting and dynamic entry. He intends to use this experience to further develop the curriculum to help law enforcement professionals and responsible citizens the benefits of reality-based training. Jason believes that although civilian and law enforcement students can obtain great firearms training from various sources, they are missing a key component in their personal safety training if that training is not reality-based.

    Jason has a law enforcement background and is the former Police Chief of the Albany Police Department where he continues to serve as a part-time officer. Jason also serves as the department’s firearms instructor, and has created POST Board approved firearms training curriculum.

    Jason has been a member of the United States Practical Shooters Association (USPSA) as well as a local club, St. Cloud Area Practical Shooters Association (SCAPSA) for many years. He competes at the SCAPSA outdoor range in matches and league competitions year-round, and has attained several league championships in various divisions. Jason is an avid three-gun competitor and has been privileged to participate on shooting squads at various 3-gun and tactical shotgun matches with professional shooters such as James Casanova, Rob Romero, Mark Harnish, Janson Jensen, Mark Miller, and Dave Neth. In June 2012, St. Cloud hosted the CAN-AM Games for Law Enforcement and Firefighters from around the world. Jason was fortunate to compete in various Can-Am events including two of his passions, shooting sports and ice hockey. For his efforts, as well as his team members, Jason earned six Can-Am medals, five for shooting events, and one for hockey. This was a tremendous experience to be treasured.
     

    Incidentally, the sign at the entrance of the mall reads:

    Code of Conduct

    While visiting this mall, the following general activities will not be accepted:

    Violations of the law
    Any activity that threatens the safety of our guests, tenants and/or employees
    Any activity that threatens the well-being of the property
    Any activity that disrupts our pleasant, family-oriented shopping environment
    Any activity inconsistent with the general purpose of the property, which is shopping, dining, visiting theaters or offices for business purposes
    Any activity that would disrupt the legitimate business of the property and its tenants

    Examples of specific activities that are prohibited include but are not limited to:

    Disruptive profanity, vulgar or threatening language
    Unnecessarily blocking walkways, roadways or storefronts
    Running, horseplay or disorderly conduct of any nature
    Excessive loitering
    Operating unauthorized recreational and/or personal transportation devices in the shopping center
    No firearms or illegal weapons

     

    It's shocking how many of these rules the mall stabber violated.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Anonym, @Anonymous, @International Jew, @Chrisnonymous

    I hope the “shooter” gets a big bump to his business from this. Talk about proof of concept!!

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
  152. @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    "Ha, you have to go back half a millennia to try to come up with misdeeds by Muslims remotely comparable to American and Jewish ongoing atrocities."

    You think that Hafez al Assad and Saddam Hussein were great humanitarians? How many Syrians did Assad kill? How many Iraqis and Iranians did Hussein kill?

    Your religion (based on your tone, I am assuming that you are muslim) is - at best - oppressive, deceitful, and backward. At worst, it is a depraved death-cult. You don't like that we think that? You don't have to stay here. Leave. These are our lands. Not yours.

    Replies: @Hunsdon

    Not the best of examples, as both al Assad and Hussein were secular Baathists.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Hunsdon

    Hussein had no problem playing the pious muslim after his shellacking in 1991. Evidently, he sometimes found it expedient in winning over the crowd.

  153. @415 reasons
    @Cwhatfuture

    They're also petty criminals, too! Truly a blessing.

    I've long proposed that those Lutheran church moms who wanted to bring them to Minneapolis should have to first sign up to house a Somali family in their rumpus room in Edina. Somehow I feel like there would be a lot less Somalis in Minnesota if they avoided that precondition.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @bomag

    have to first sign up to house a Somali family in their rumpus room

    Indeed.

    The logic here is just abysmal: “These Somalis are so dysfunctional that they are in danger of going extinct, so let us import a bunch of them and keep them alive… for awhile, anyway, until we go extinct, in part from importing such as them who crowd out the functional natives.”

  154. @Johnny Smoggins
    @Anonymous

    You raise a very valid point; the U.S. and Israel have oceans of Arab and Muslim blood on their hands. That doesn't mean, however that Muslims should be allowed to settle in the west to settle their vendettas.

    If the U.S. wants to make amends a good place to start would be forcing Israel to accept full right of return for Palestinians to their homeland.

    Replies: @bomag

    If the U.S. wants to make amends a good place to start would be forcing Israel to accept full right of return for Palestinians to their homeland.

    That buys you nothing but sneering disdain and further demands to replace “bad” people with “good” people in other hot spots.

  155. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What I really cannot understand is why that Somalis are sent to Minnesota – the coldest state in the continental USA – and not to the torrid and arid states of Arizona and New Mexico, where, surely they would be fully acclimatized.
    Somalia, lest we forget is just about the damned hottest spot on planet earth. Never mind the PC bullshit, hard north USA winters must be very hard on them.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Anonymous


    What I really cannot understand is why that Somalis are sent to Minnesota – the coldest state in the continental USA
     
    Because Minnesotans are chumps. At least when it comes to primitive third world refugees being pushed into their state. Hmong too. By and large they want this kind of diversity.
    , @Alden
    @Anonymous

    Somalis are sent to Minnesota because it is a stronghold of the Lutheran religion.
    The Lutherans are the greatest scam artists since Bernie Madoff. They scrounge tens of millions a year from the taxpayers for their refugee resettlement services.
    Essentially our government pays the Lutherans to bring them here. The refugee resettlement service consists of bringing them to the local welfare office and coercing local government to build housing projects for them

    Taxpayers pay for it and Lutherans think they will go to heaven for their good deeds

    Lutherans are t the only religion who does this Catholic charities, Baptists Methodists Hebrew immigration society the Episcopals they are all doing it

    And they all seem to be resettled where a new food processing plant is, non Union low pay and dangerous of course. But the 5th world dreck doesn't complain because they are breaking the law by being on welfare and working

    Some Somalis were settled in Atlanta but the local blacks took care of them. So some religion sent them all off to Maine because they knew the Whites could not resist Somalia crime without ACLU SPLC DOJ et all coming down on them

    , @Dylan
    @Anonymous

    The cold Minnesota winters don't bother the Somalis at all. Welfare pays for their 85 degree heated homes all winter long. Plus since they don't work, they don't have to go out much. They get the elderly and disabled van service when they have to go to the market to use their food stamps

    There are many varieties of disability. Plus the Lutherans will supply a social worker to help them shop

  156. @Jefferson
    @guest

    "There was plenty of vibrancy in St. Cloud, too. I imagine you can’t go to any U.S. city with a population of 50,000 or more without it."

    You can still find some very White cities with a population of over 50,000 people in states like Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Idaho, Utah, Iowa, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Oregon, Kansas, etc.

    Replies: @Barnard

    It depends on what you mean by very white. You are going to be hard pressed to find over 90% white in any of those places anymore and you can forget about over 95%.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Barnard

    "It depends on what you mean by very white. You are going to be hard pressed to find over 90% white in any of those places anymore and you can forget about over 95%."

    Nonsense. Bismarck, North Dakota for example is 92 percent White and has a population of over 68,000 people.

    Replies: @Barnard

  157. @AKAHorace
    The guy wants to be an Islamic terrorist and yet cannot get a gun ?

    Forced to use a knife for a mass killing ?

    Argument for gun control. Or am I missing something. I thought that if you lived in the US getting a gun would be no problem.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    The guy wants to be an Islamic terrorist and yet cannot get a gun ?

    Forced to use a knife for a mass killing ?

    It’s a Stone Age culture. Don’t know how to use a toilet . . . or a gun.

  158. @415 reasons
    @Clyde

    Since the purpose of refugees seems to be virtue signaling by wicked elite morons, Somalis are actually perfect immigrants. Extremely low IQ, unassimilatable, don't work, commit petty property crime, violent crime AND are predisposed to domestic terrorism, going abroad for terrorism, and terror funding. If you can turn the other cheek to a Somali community that harasses your women, mugs your old folks, fights with your local African American community, sends money to Al Shabab, goes to Syria to fight for ISIS, and now brings terror to your own backyard, you've proved you are truly a clueless idiot. In other words, you will have proved you are not a racist(tm) and a good person.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    It has become clear that the purpose of immigration is to punish us.

  159. @Anonymous
    @ben tillman

    No, not entirely true. Our rulers have had the support of a large percentage of the Anerican population in the murder and dispossession of the Middle East. And many Americans--decidedly non-rulers--have been on the ground, on the seas, and in the skies, carrying out those crimes. Besides, we all finance the government.

    It's time we grew up and took some responsibility for the actions of our elected representatives.

    Replies: @Karl, @ben tillman

    No, not entirely true. Our rulers have had the support of a large percentage of the Anerican population in the murder and dispossession of the Middle East.

    The government lies to the people, and most of the people trust the government and believe the lie. That’s not support; the will of the people is in no way a cause of the phenomenon of aggression. It’s a result.

    • Replies: @Perplexed
    @ben tillman

    The will of the people was overwhelmingly clear when TARP was proposed--better than 99 to 1 against in communication to our elected representatives. So they tried again, and got it passed on the second go-round. "Who cares what you think?," as Bush the younger allegedly said to a citizen in an airport encounter.

  160. @Halvorson
    St. Cloud is a part of Michelle Bachmann's old congressional district, a basically conservative place home to an extraordinary number of German Catholics. The rarity of Protestants there has somehow not stopped Lutheran Social Services (not really Lutheran, 90% government funded) from dumping thousands of sullen Somalis there in the past 10 years to the extreme disapproval of the locals.

    On a similar, weirder note there is a tiny town in western Minnesota that has inexplicably become majority Micronesian ("Micros", the kids call them) in the last 5 years. They add vibrancy, a insightful local writer believes:
    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2013/08/16/ground-level-american-countryside-milan

    I am really starting to think Minnesotans do not understand that Trump's Muslim or refugee ban would keep Somalis out. Someone needs to sit them down and work out explicitly that Somali=Muslim=banned under Trump's immigration plan.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @guest, @(((Owen))), @Hibernian

    Martin Luther’s revenge, 500 years later.

  161. @Jefferson
    @Halvorson

    "I am really starting to think Minnesotans do not understand that Trump’s Muslim or refugee ban would keep Somalis out. Someone needs to sit them down and work out explicitly that Somali=Muslim=banned under Trump’s immigration plan."

    Do most Whites in Minnesota think Somalis are Christians or some other variety of Non Muslim like Atheists?

    Do Somali women in Minnesota dress like Western women? Maybe that's where the confusion comes from.

    Replies: @snorlax, @Harry Baldwin, @Reg Cæsar

    Do Somali women in Minnesota dress like Western women?

    Sad to say, my grandmothers would approve of their dress before they’d approve of what Western women’s has become.

    The fundamental problem is not them, it’s us. The Africans are just opportunists. If we’d concentrated our fire on the proper targets, lily-white Catholic Charities and Lutheran Social Services, there would never have been oddball Nilotics or Cushitics or whatever in German Catholic St Cloud.

    But, to paraphrase (crudely) Lawrence Auster’s argument, a culture that imagines buggery consummates a marriage (Somalis don’t!) isn’t likely to think right about immigration, either.

  162. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    We are bombing and killing the people of the Middle East. Are they not entitled to defend themselves?
     
    So if your kid punched another kid, are you okay with that kid's father shooting your wife?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

    Good point. Your logic also applies to using Pearl Harbor to justify Hiroshima, which “progressives” and their cuck defenders do all the time.

  163. @guest
    @Alfa158

    If he's not drunk he must be medicated, because he just doesn't sound right. Everyone I know, including libs, comments on it whenever they hear him speak. Goes to show how far you can go on money, name-recognition, and virtue-signalling alone.

    Or MN likes drama. We did elect Jesse the Body and Al Franken.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Dayton was picked, by Time if I remember right, as one of the five worst US Senators at the time.

  164. @Anonymous
    @anon

    Do Muslims ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist backlashes?

    Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don't have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?

    Replies: @anon, @anon, @Perplexed, @Antonymous, @AnotherDad

    “people who believe they are Jewish”? Does this come from T. Coates?

  165. @Jefferson
    "I can recall reading a few decades ago that St. Cloud, Minnesota, a small city 66 miles northwest of Minneapolis, then had the lowest crime rate in the U.S.."

    The Villages, Florida is now the community with the lowest crime rate in America and it is a whopping 98 percent White.

    The Villages is evidence that diversity is overrated. They are a thriving safe community and they are White as hell.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    The Villages median age is 66. Retirement communities are not apt comparisons to the real world.

  166. @Clyde
    @Anonymous Nephew


    The UK presence is in part down to EU freedom of movement. Holland (and Denmark) gave asylum to large numbers, but to aid integration and prevent the formation of ghettoes spread them out over the country. When they realised that in the UK they could all cluster together and make no attempt at integration, then naturally “frustrated Somalis flee Holland for the freedom of Britain” .
     
    Thanks! That explains a lot. Why UK has accepted so many Somalis. Seems they got to the UK indirectly via Holland and other EU nations. They can go "welfare benefits shopping" and UK was/is the best deal

    Replies: @5371

    Actually, AnonNep’s explanation makes more sense than “welfare benefits shopping”. Welfare benefits are plenty generous in the Netherlands or Denmark.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @5371


    “welfare benefits shopping”. Welfare benefits are plenty generous in the Netherlands or Denmark.
     
    The Somalis were benefits shopping, it just was not welfare benefits. UK offered Somalis the "benefit" of being able to live near each other, to cluster together and not be pushed to integrate while the Dutch were treating Somali scroungers the opposite way.
  167. @Twinkie
    @el topo


    “Allah Akbar!”
     
    To knit pick a little, I believe the expression is "Allahu Akbar," not "Allah Akbar" ("God IS great," as opposed to "God Great").

    Replies: @el topo, @ben tillman, @Mr. Anon, @Perplexed

    Doesn’t it mean “[Our] God is greater?” Supremacism.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Perplexed


    Doesn’t it mean “[Our] God is greater?” Supremacism.
     
    I do not think there is the connotation of "our" there. Muslims believe there is only one God (and that Muhammad is His Messenger), so the distinction is between that of the House of Islam and the House of War (or unbelievers), not "our god vs. their god."

    "Akbar" means "greater" or "greatest." See Takbir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takbir
  168. @Karl
    @Anonymous

    > Israelis need to change. We are the ones bombing them, pushing them off their homelands

    so in your opinion, what is the correct homeland ( = indigenous place) of Hebrew ethnic people?

    Or do you just want to push them all into the sea?

    Replies: @Perplexed, @Anonymous

    This is a question I can never get an answer to. Another is about immigration to the U.S.: Is there any upper limit, and what would that number be?

  169. @Clyde
    I knew he was Somali before his knife hit the ground. Somalis are the world's worst immigrants but they somehow magically get entree into the US, Canada, England, Australia. All have large Somali populations. I don't get it. You would think that "Black Hawk Down" would have killed their chances. Instead it increased them.

    Replies: @anon, @415 reasons, @Harold, @Anonymous Nephew, @Brutusale, @AnotherDad

    Kahneman and Tversky would say you’re not rational.

  170. @Anonymous
    Are there any accurate statistics about crime in St Cloud, before and after Somali immigration?

    Plenty of arguing here: http://irregulartimes.com/2015/01/31/after-somali-immigrants-arrived-in-minneapolis-did-crime-change-differently-than-in-other-minnesota-cities-fact-check/

    And a snapshot of 2009-2014 Minneapolis here: http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/www/groups/public/@mpd/documents/webcontent/wcms1p-138611.pdf

    .. which shows violent crime is very much a black thing in Minneapolis.

    Replies: @Eddy Wobegon, @Corvinus

    The crime rate for Somalis in St Cloud seems about the same rate as whites. Somalis do not commit crime at the rate of American blacks. However in Minneapolis where the Somali population is closer to 40,000 and more densely packed in, they are starting to form gangs, rob, and commit crimes at a higher level than whites.

    Being a more insular community, Somalis don’t always report crime to the public authorities so it is hard to tell the actual crime rate of Somalis.

    It is easy to distinguish the East African Somali blacks from the West African American blacks. The men are rail thin and don’t cop an attitude when strolling the neighborhood. Somali men exhibit a strongly patriarchal society. They don’t respect female authority. Their children are more deferential.

    All in all, I’ll take a random Somali over a random American black any day. You’d just have to remind the Somali that they can’t drop a load of dirt in their apartment to raise produce.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Eddy Wobegon


    The crime rate for Somalis in St Cloud seems about the same rate as whites... All in all, I’ll take a random Somali over a random American black any day.
     
    We have such a low bar for immigrants.
  171. @ben tillman
    @Anonymous


    No, not entirely true. Our rulers have had the support of a large percentage of the Anerican population in the murder and dispossession of the Middle East.
     
    The government lies to the people, and most of the people trust the government and believe the lie. That's not support; the will of the people is in no way a cause of the phenomenon of aggression. It's a result.

    Replies: @Perplexed

    The will of the people was overwhelmingly clear when TARP was proposed–better than 99 to 1 against in communication to our elected representatives. So they tried again, and got it passed on the second go-round. “Who cares what you think?,” as Bush the younger allegedly said to a citizen in an airport encounter.

  172. Has there ever been another society in history more concerned with not hurting feelings than retaliating?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Marcus

    Has another society in history more concerned with not hurting feelings than retaliating?

    The aggressor (the United States) does not get to claim"retaliation."

    Replies: @Marcus

  173. @Anonymous
    Are there any accurate statistics about crime in St Cloud, before and after Somali immigration?

    Plenty of arguing here: http://irregulartimes.com/2015/01/31/after-somali-immigrants-arrived-in-minneapolis-did-crime-change-differently-than-in-other-minnesota-cities-fact-check/

    And a snapshot of 2009-2014 Minneapolis here: http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/www/groups/public/@mpd/documents/webcontent/wcms1p-138611.pdf

    .. which shows violent crime is very much a black thing in Minneapolis.

    Replies: @Eddy Wobegon, @Corvinus

    Right, because all Somalis imported from Somalia are religious nut jobs hell bent on destroying America. (rolling of eyes)

    “….. which shows violent crime is very much a black thing in Minneapolis.”

    Actually, violent crime is very much a poor immigrant thing by people who just happen to be black, no different any European group who came to America with similar financial problems of their own (e.g. the Irish of the 1850’s, the Italians of the 1890’s).

    • Replies: @5371
    @Corvinus

    [(rolling of eyes)]

    Corvy's razor-sharp intellect has enabled him to come up with this ground-breaking new version of "wow, just wow".

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @guest
    @Corvinus

    The blacks in question are not an immigrant group. Pay attention.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  174. @Harold
    @Clyde

    A corollary of Auster’s First Law?

    Replies: @Clyde

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/009226.html I had to read it again. I had forgotten, but its as true now as it was in 2007. This also applies to the self mutilating trans people with their bathrooms. The liberals and Apple CEO, other Silicon Valley CEOs lionized them. The bleeding edge of societal change. Who are we to judge?

  175. How much empathy do Americans feel toward Muslims for the millions of Muslims killed in U.S.- and Israeli-instigated wars in the past hundred years? For bombing them to smithereens?

    Well, most of the Muslims killed in “U.S.-instigated wars” were either Muslims we killed ourselves, and thus wanted dead (in which case, huzzah!), or they were killed by fellow Muslims. While I do think the USG bears some responsibility for helping stir crazy, violent Muslim populations up in the first place, let’s not forget that it’s the crazy, violent Muslims who bear primary responsibility.

    We invaded Germany, and occupied Germany and Japan, but no crazy, violent Germans or Japanese used the situation to kill one another by the “millions,” as you put it.

    The empathy problem is ours, not theirs. You seem to think their blood is worth nothing.

    Wrong. Muslims seem to think their blood is worth nothing. You seem to think them sub-human, lacking agency. Then there’s the fact that we didn’t do anything to the Somalis, for example, yet, we still get Somali lunatics.

    Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?

    All the more reason to bar them from America, I suppose.

    How many Muslims has the United States killed or maimed in the past 20 years? You can’t see past your own nose can you?

    You mean, that didn’t deserve it? I dunno, you tell me.

    We are bombing and killing the people of the Middle East. Are they not entitled to defend themselves?

    For the record, I was vocally opposed to Iraq Attaq II from the moment the rumors started. As were most White Nationalists. I still am against the constant USG military action in west Asia and North Africa, as are most White Nationalists. Of course, Muslims in the west show their gratitude by hating our guts and siding with our enemies (the people who bomb them).

    We have been bombing and killing and displacing them by the tens of millions.

    Gonna need a cite on that one.

    I think one basic thing to keep in mind here is that Muslims and Americans have opposite approaches to the deaths of civilians. Americans avoid them, apologize for them, and punish the transgressors, where possible. Muslims seek them, glorify them, and reward the perpetrators as heroes.

    We Americans and Isrealis play the victim whenever faced with the inevitable consequences of our aggression in the Middle East.

    Grow up.

    Again, your equivalency is a false one (this is to be expected; lying is what leftists do, it’s like their national sport).

    When a surrender-monkey & traitor like you appears in the west, he is lauded as a good leftist. When the Muslim equivalent arises in their territory, the opposite reaction is seen; he is condemned for a traitor, shunned, attacked, perhaps put up against a wall and shot.

    And yet Muslims cannot invite themselves to America and the west fast enough, can they sport?

    This.

    Yeah, I went to college in St. Cloud. I can’t tell you how much misery it caused the professors to live in the land of Bachmann. It was especially bad in 2002, when Paul Wellstone died and Republicans won both houses of Congress. That was some sweet schadenfreude.

    I don’t think “schadenfreude” works here. It’s supposed to involve misfortune.

    Do you also find it odd that Americans who believe they are jewish feel under attack when there is retaliation in Israel or France against other people who think they are jewish? Or what about all the attention given by jewish-Americans in the United States to jews in Germany during WWII? Weird, huh?

    And yet, Germans didn’t use it as an excuse to start killing one another (so quislings could blame it all on America).

    Ha, you have to go back half a millennia to try to come up with misdeeds by Muslims remotely comparable to American and Jewish ongoing atrocities.

    Nonsense. 95% of the deaths you’ve been laying at the feet of America are actually perpetrated by Muslims against other Muslims. They live to bump each other off.

    The sooner we understand that the violence against us in the United States is reasonable retaliation for our own actions, the sooner we can get out of this problem.

    I think this is wrong. I think it’s a recipe for further capitulation to Muslim immigration. It fits in nicely with the rest of the “poor huddled masses” bullshit.

    “Our concern is with the American people…..”

    No, that doesn’t appear to be your concern at all.

    Thread-winner.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Svigor

    Yes, it was their misfortune, not necessarily the country's.

  176. @Anonymous
    @anon

    Do Muslims ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist backlashes?

    Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don't have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?

    Replies: @anon, @anon, @Perplexed, @Antonymous, @AnotherDad

    “Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?”

    Oh but they do. One of the anons mentioned Indonesia and Myanmar, but let’s bring up Thailand as well. The following bombings were Muslim jihadis against Buddhist Thailanders:

    2006 Bangkok bombings
    2012 Bangkok bombings
    South Thailand insurgency
    December 2009 Narathiwat bombing
    2005 Songkhla bombings
    2006 Hat Yai bombings
    2007 South Thailand bombings
    2007 Songkhla bombings
    2012 Southern Thailand bombings
    2015 Bangkok bombing
    August 2016 Thailand bombings

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Thailand

  177. @Anon
    @Laugh Track

    The reason why most Islamic countries are run by strongmen is because all those nice Moslems insist on keeping their heads down. And on the rare occasions when they do stick their heads up, they're usually knifing or blowing people up.

    Moslems have to change.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon

    The only way to reform Islam would result in dissolving it. It is totalitarian in its structure.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    Islam needs no reform. America needs to look in the mirror and check itself. What children we are.

  178. @Anoni
    @Anonymous

    This the anti-invade, anti-invite section of the internet. All of us want to get out of the middle east as fast as possible. Our policy in the middle east should be:

    " "

    nothing. Buy oil if they choose to sell it, otherwise drill our own or buy from Canada.

    But Somalis are a serious problem that just an immigration ban won't solve. I bet most of them are short term enough thinkers so that if we (1) cut all the welfare (2) tell them we don't like them and they should go away (3) pay them to go. We could get off pretty cheap by getting them out.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon

    America gets very little of its oil from the middle east. Oil is NOT the reason the Mideast is so prominent in American policy-making. Its the Jewish lobby.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    Even if we did want to consume more of it, we've never had a problem buying it from them at reasonable prices. They need to sell as badly as we need to buy.

    , @Clyde
    @anon


    America gets very little of its oil from the middle east. Oil is NOT the reason the Mideast is so prominent in American policy-making. Its the Jewish lobby.
     
    I read this a while ago, that the US spends 10-20 billion a year for the US Navy to patrol middle east sea lanes so that Sunni Arab oil producers can ship out their oil without hindrance. We do this even though we historically get little oil from "Arabia" but Europe, Japan and others do. We do this to keep the world oil price stable and has nothing to do with Israel.
  179. @Anonymous
    @anon

    How many Muslims has the United States killed or maimed in the past 20 years? You can't see past your own nose can you?

    Replies: @anon, @Antonymous

    In case you haven’t noticed, the vast majority of this board disagrees with Bush’s Iraq invasion AND Hillary Clinton’s destabilization of Libya and Syria. We effectively have a rogue State Department with neo-cons at the helm, lying the country into invasions. I can assure you no one relishes the blood loss as a result of US intervention.

    Meanwhile you contrast an unwilling, betrayed population (ours) with willing, allahu-akbaring jihadis? Jihadis maim and kill neighbors, while the US population looks with horror at their war machine. You tell me who can’t see past their own nose.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Antonymous

    Meanwhile you contrast an unwilling, betrayed population (ours) with willing, allahu-akbaring jihadis? Jihadis maim and kill neighbors, while the US population looks with horror at their war machine. You tell me who can’t see past their own nose.

    Oh, cut the "jihadi" crap already. What we are doing in the Middle East would provoke a violent response, as night follows day. This is it.

  180. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    In all likelihood Islamist terrorists have killed more Muslims than non-Muslims. But that is consistent with the idea that the wider Islamic world is undergoing a civil war, something akin to the Thirty Years’ War

    What is the U.S.-caused body count in the Middle East. Dang you all are narcissistic.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Antonymous, @Antonymous

    “What is the U.S.-caused body count in the Middle East. Dang you all are narcissistic.”

    Far too high. But presuming you’re also an American, how does one stop the war profiteers from enrolling us in yet more interventions? You would assign our names to the deaths (but not your own) — how would you stop Depts of State and Defense from their foolhardy, tragic policies? Writing to congressmen doesn’t do much does it.

    You seem to think terrorism is the due for average people, rather than leaders. This is … unfortunate. Just more blame white men.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Antonymous

    But presuming you’re also an American, how does one stop the war profiteers from enrolling us in yet more interventions? You would assign our names to the deaths (but not your own) — how would you stop Depts of State and Defense from their foolhardy, tragic policies? Writing to congressmen doesn’t do much does it.

    Speaking out, actively educating family, friends, and neighbors. Nonviolent resistance. And if we cannot stop ourselves from murdering people in the Middle East then the people of the Middle East have every right to do so themselves.

    You seem to think terrorism is the due for average people, rather than leaders. This is … unfortunate. Just more blame white men.

    Not so much "due", but logical, reciprocal, practically necessary it we refuse to restrain ourselves. I blame white men only for their stupidity in falling for Zionist propaganda or in lacking the integrity to recognize the injustice they are doing to the people of the Middle East. We are behaving like children.

  181. @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    Right, because all Somalis imported from Somalia are religious nut jobs hell bent on destroying America. (rolling of eyes)

    "..... which shows violent crime is very much a black thing in Minneapolis."

    Actually, violent crime is very much a poor immigrant thing by people who just happen to be black, no different any European group who came to America with similar financial problems of their own (e.g. the Irish of the 1850's, the Italians of the 1890's).

    Replies: @5371, @guest

    [(rolling of eyes)]

    Corvy’s razor-sharp intellect has enabled him to come up with this ground-breaking new version of “wow, just wow”.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @5371

    Pay close attention. The same argument today against immigrants was used by nativists against those groups whom they believed constituted a threat to the American way of life. So if you have Irish or eastern European blood, chances are your ancestors faced the exact same scrutiny, that they lacked the intellect to comprehend constitutional principles and the rule of law. Yet, these groups insisted they were assets rather than liabilities, and proved over time to just as American as the next person. Just because a few Somalis are criminals does not mean the entire lot of them are criminals or prone to criminals.

  182. @Eddy Wobegon
    @Anonymous

    The crime rate for Somalis in St Cloud seems about the same rate as whites. Somalis do not commit crime at the rate of American blacks. However in Minneapolis where the Somali population is closer to 40,000 and more densely packed in, they are starting to form gangs, rob, and commit crimes at a higher level than whites.

    Being a more insular community, Somalis don't always report crime to the public authorities so it is hard to tell the actual crime rate of Somalis.

    It is easy to distinguish the East African Somali blacks from the West African American blacks. The men are rail thin and don't cop an attitude when strolling the neighborhood. Somali men exhibit a strongly patriarchal society. They don't respect female authority. Their children are more deferential.

    All in all, I'll take a random Somali over a random American black any day. You'd just have to remind the Somali that they can't drop a load of dirt in their apartment to raise produce.

    Replies: @bomag

    The crime rate for Somalis in St Cloud seems about the same rate as whites… All in all, I’ll take a random Somali over a random American black any day.

    We have such a low bar for immigrants.

  183. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    In all likelihood Islamist terrorists have killed more Muslims than non-Muslims. But that is consistent with the idea that the wider Islamic world is undergoing a civil war, something akin to the Thirty Years’ War

    What is the U.S.-caused body count in the Middle East. Dang you all are narcissistic.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Antonymous, @Antonymous

    Just to add.. This is why many of us are voting to remove this damnable neo-con cabal from power. We tried in 2008 with Obama, but he was just as compromised as Bush (except with respect to Iran, which he inexplicably funds). Now we’re trying Trump, who has no financial ties to former policy makers.

    But you I suspect would vote for the perpetrator of war crimes herself, Ms Clinton, because someone insinuated you’d be racist otherwise.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Antonymous

    From from it. You have interesting hallucinations of me.

  184. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Antonymous
    @Anonymous

    "What is the U.S.-caused body count in the Middle East. Dang you all are narcissistic."

    Far too high. But presuming you're also an American, how does one stop the war profiteers from enrolling us in yet more interventions? You would assign our names to the deaths (but not your own) -- how would you stop Depts of State and Defense from their foolhardy, tragic policies? Writing to congressmen doesn't do much does it.

    You seem to think terrorism is the due for average people, rather than leaders. This is ... unfortunate. Just more blame white men.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    But presuming you’re also an American, how does one stop the war profiteers from enrolling us in yet more interventions? You would assign our names to the deaths (but not your own) — how would you stop Depts of State and Defense from their foolhardy, tragic policies? Writing to congressmen doesn’t do much does it.

    Speaking out, actively educating family, friends, and neighbors. Nonviolent resistance. And if we cannot stop ourselves from murdering people in the Middle East then the people of the Middle East have every right to do so themselves.

    You seem to think terrorism is the due for average people, rather than leaders. This is … unfortunate. Just more blame white men.

    Not so much “due”, but logical, reciprocal, practically necessary it we refuse to restrain ourselves. I blame white men only for their stupidity in falling for Zionist propaganda or in lacking the integrity to recognize the injustice they are doing to the people of the Middle East. We are behaving like children.

  185. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Antonymous
    @Anonymous

    In case you haven't noticed, the vast majority of this board disagrees with Bush's Iraq invasion AND Hillary Clinton's destabilization of Libya and Syria. We effectively have a rogue State Department with neo-cons at the helm, lying the country into invasions. I can assure you no one relishes the blood loss as a result of US intervention.

    Meanwhile you contrast an unwilling, betrayed population (ours) with willing, allahu-akbaring jihadis? Jihadis maim and kill neighbors, while the US population looks with horror at their war machine. You tell me who can't see past their own nose.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Meanwhile you contrast an unwilling, betrayed population (ours) with willing, allahu-akbaring jihadis? Jihadis maim and kill neighbors, while the US population looks with horror at their war machine. You tell me who can’t see past their own nose.

    Oh, cut the “jihadi” crap already. What we are doing in the Middle East would provoke a violent response, as night follows day. This is it.

  186. @anon
    @Anoni

    America gets very little of its oil from the middle east. Oil is NOT the reason the Mideast is so prominent in American policy-making. Its the Jewish lobby.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Clyde

    Even if we did want to consume more of it, we’ve never had a problem buying it from them at reasonable prices. They need to sell as badly as we need to buy.

  187. @anon
    @Anon

    The only way to reform Islam would result in dissolving it. It is totalitarian in its structure.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Islam needs no reform. America needs to look in the mirror and check itself. What children we are.

  188. @Clyde
    I knew he was Somali before his knife hit the ground. Somalis are the world's worst immigrants but they somehow magically get entree into the US, Canada, England, Australia. All have large Somali populations. I don't get it. You would think that "Black Hawk Down" would have killed their chances. Instead it increased them.

    Replies: @anon, @415 reasons, @Harold, @Anonymous Nephew, @Brutusale, @AnotherDad

    I knew he was Somali before his knife hit the ground. Somalis are the world’s worst immigrants but they somehow magically get entree into the US, Canada, England, Australia. All have large Somali populations. I don’t get it. You would think that “Black Hawk Down” would have killed their chances. Instead it increased them.

    Exactly–combine black and muslim and tribal. They have the magic elixir of traits to take nice whitopias–like Maine and Minnesota–and make them primitive tribal dystopias.

    You would think that “Black Hawk Down” would have killed their chances. Instead it increased them.

    It’s the reigning ideology: blank slatism, “rub their noses in diversity” and save-the-worldism. In response to 911, we … radically increased muslim immigration to the US! To prove we weren’t raciss. Or to show muslims that our culture was really wonderful. Or … something.

    If you want your ethnic group to have entree to the US, you merely need to screw up your own place, impoverish yourselves and create violent conflict–and we’ll prove our superior virtue by waving you in!

  189. @Marcus
    Has there ever been another society in history more concerned with not hurting feelings than retaliating?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Has another society in history more concerned with not hurting feelings than retaliating?

    The aggressor (the United States) does not get to claim”retaliation.”

    • Replies: @Marcus
    @Anonymous

    I'm not just talking about the US, but in any case you miss the point: most peoples retaliate if minorities act up, white/Western societies worry about not hurting their feelings.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  190. @Karl
    @Anonymous

    > Israelis need to change. We are the ones bombing them, pushing them off their homelands

    so in your opinion, what is the correct homeland ( = indigenous place) of Hebrew ethnic people?

    Or do you just want to push them all into the sea?

    Replies: @Perplexed, @Anonymous

    so in your opinion, what is the correct homeland ( = indigenous place) of Hebrew ethnic people?

    Not Palestine. The United States, for U.S. citizens who believe they are jewish.

    • Replies: @Karl
    @Anonymous

    > Not Palestine. The United States, for U.S. citizens who believe they are jewish.



    ...and here I was, thinking that the indigenous language of the Land of Israel, is Hebrew. The Canaanites spokew prot-Hebrew.

    Dig straight down 10 meters in Jericho, you start finding tax-receipts IN HEBREW showing that some peasant paid his taxes to Jerusalem.

    Arabic only arrived on the heels of a colonialist invasion in the AD 690's.

    When the indigenous Spaniards grew strong enough, you lost al-Andalus forever..... when the indigenous Hebrews grow strong enough, you will lose Palestine forever.

    , @Karl
    @Anonymous

    > Not Palestine. The United States, for U.S. citizens who believe they are jewish.



    ...and here I was, thinking that the indigenous language of the Land of Israel, is Hebrew. The Canaanites spoke (what we NOW call) ancient Hebrew. As did the Phoenicians

    Dig straight down 10 meters in Jericho, you start finding tax-receipts IN HEBREW showing that some peasant paid his taxes to Jerusalem.

    Arabic only arrived on the heels of a colonialist invasion in the AD 690's.

    When the indigenous Spaniards grew strong enough, you lost al-Andalus forever..... when the indigenous Hebrews grow strong enough, you will lose Palestine forever.

  191. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    What is the U.S.-caused body count in the Middle East. Dang you all are narcissistic.
     
    Are you suggesting, without our participation in Middle Eastern conflicts, it would have been all peaches and cream there?

    This sounds suspiciously like "[American] Indians were all peace-loving people in tune with nature until the white men arrived" type of a talk. What's really narcissistic is to think that the United States is the causal agent of violence and suffering around the world. We are a kind of a hegemonic power, to be sure, but we have our limits.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I’m suggesting that the United Stated is bombing the Middle East and Somalia. And the people of the Middle East and Somalia have a right to defend themselves from our violence and interventions.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    the people of the Middle East and Somalia have a right to defend themselves
     
    By attacking civilians while dressed as non-combatants?

    I am afraid that is not how legally sanctioned war is supposed to work, and it has been so since the Treaties of Westphalia.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  192. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Collateral deaths of civilians in legally sanctioned wars (whether waged for a good or bad reason) are not the same as explicit targeting of (only) civilians in illegal forms of warfare (terrorism).

    Why not?
     
    There are internationally-agreed conventions of warfare for good reasons.

    –Not only “collateral” deaths of “civilians”
     
    Are you suggesting the U.S. Armed Forces deliberately target civilians?

    –Our and Israel’s violence is not legally sanctioned
     
    I won't speak for Israel, but our military has legions of lawyers to make sure our forces abide by international and our own rules of conduct in warfare.

    –They don’t only target civilians
     
    By and large, terrorists target civilians because it is easier. Indeed the whole point of terrorism is to *terrorize* the civilian population rather than confront armed forces of the opposing side.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The Iraq invasion was illegal.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    The Iraq invasion was illegal.
     
    Says who? While one can certainly argue whether it was wise or not (and the evidence weighs toward the latter), it was not illegal under the various international conventions of warfare to which both the United States and Iraq are party.

    However, what WAS illegal under the rules of war was various Saddamist, Ba'athist, and Jihadi groups engaging in attacks on the occupying powers and civilians, all the while dressed as civilians and (when defeated) melting into the civilian population. All such actions ARE illegal under the international rules of warfare.

    Mind you, I am not saying I agree necessarily with such international rules, but there they are.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  193. @Anonymous
    @anon

    Do Muslims ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist backlashes?

    Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don't have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?

    Replies: @anon, @anon, @Perplexed, @Antonymous, @AnotherDad

    Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?

    Anonymous, this is just plain wrong, as several replies point out. Wherever Islam is in contact with another civilization there is violent conflict. Islam+diversity=>violence.

    However it is true that muslims have a particular stiffy with regard to attacking the West. The West\Christendom was the civilization in most direct contact\conflict with Islam and that most directly stood against its cancerous expansion, fought against it and eventually–mostly expelled–it from its traditional territory. Islam is still smarting from being shown up as inferior and beaten by the West.

    So the actual take-home from your comment would be that we in the West should be *particularly* careful not to let Muslims into our nations.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Wherever Islam is in contact with another civilization there is violent conflict. Islam+diversity=>violence.

    Not true, and not any more so than other human identity groups.

    Islam's peaceful coexistence with jews and Christians for centuries contradicts your empirical claim.

    You also omit the fact that, but for the unifying power of Islam across multitudes of people, they would atomize into warring tribes. This is another part of the calculation that Islam is relatively pacifying.

    Why are you censoring my comments here, Steve?

    Replies: @Antonymous, @Mr. Anon

  194. @5371
    @Clyde

    Actually, AnonNep's explanation makes more sense than "welfare benefits shopping". Welfare benefits are plenty generous in the Netherlands or Denmark.

    Replies: @Clyde

    “welfare benefits shopping”. Welfare benefits are plenty generous in the Netherlands or Denmark.

    The Somalis were benefits shopping, it just was not welfare benefits. UK offered Somalis the “benefit” of being able to live near each other, to cluster together and not be pushed to integrate while the Dutch were treating Somali scroungers the opposite way.

  195. @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    Right, because all Somalis imported from Somalia are religious nut jobs hell bent on destroying America. (rolling of eyes)

    "..... which shows violent crime is very much a black thing in Minneapolis."

    Actually, violent crime is very much a poor immigrant thing by people who just happen to be black, no different any European group who came to America with similar financial problems of their own (e.g. the Irish of the 1850's, the Italians of the 1890's).

    Replies: @5371, @guest

    The blacks in question are not an immigrant group. Pay attention.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @guest

    "The blacks in question are not an immigrant group. Pay attention."

    The article noted that the attacker was of Somali descent. Are not Somalis immigrants to the United States?

    Replies: @guest

  196. @anon
    @Anoni

    America gets very little of its oil from the middle east. Oil is NOT the reason the Mideast is so prominent in American policy-making. Its the Jewish lobby.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Clyde

    America gets very little of its oil from the middle east. Oil is NOT the reason the Mideast is so prominent in American policy-making. Its the Jewish lobby.

    I read this a while ago, that the US spends 10-20 billion a year for the US Navy to patrol middle east sea lanes so that Sunni Arab oil producers can ship out their oil without hindrance. We do this even though we historically get little oil from “Arabia” but Europe, Japan and others do. We do this to keep the world oil price stable and has nothing to do with Israel.

  197. @Anonymous
    What I really cannot understand is why that Somalis are sent to Minnesota - the coldest state in the continental USA - and not to the torrid and arid states of Arizona and New Mexico, where, surely they would be fully acclimatized.
    Somalia, lest we forget is just about the damned hottest spot on planet earth. Never mind the PC bullshit, hard north USA winters must be very hard on them.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Alden, @Dylan

    What I really cannot understand is why that Somalis are sent to Minnesota – the coldest state in the continental USA

    Because Minnesotans are chumps. At least when it comes to primitive third world refugees being pushed into their state. Hmong too. By and large they want this kind of diversity.

  198. @Svigor

    How much empathy do Americans feel toward Muslims for the millions of Muslims killed in U.S.- and Israeli-instigated wars in the past hundred years? For bombing them to smithereens?
     
    Well, most of the Muslims killed in "U.S.-instigated wars" were either Muslims we killed ourselves, and thus wanted dead (in which case, huzzah!), or they were killed by fellow Muslims. While I do think the USG bears some responsibility for helping stir crazy, violent Muslim populations up in the first place, let's not forget that it's the crazy, violent Muslims who bear primary responsibility.

    We invaded Germany, and occupied Germany and Japan, but no crazy, violent Germans or Japanese used the situation to kill one another by the "millions," as you put it.

    The empathy problem is ours, not theirs. You seem to think their blood is worth nothing.
     
    Wrong. Muslims seem to think their blood is worth nothing. You seem to think them sub-human, lacking agency. Then there's the fact that we didn't do anything to the Somalis, for example, yet, we still get Somali lunatics.

    Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?
     
    All the more reason to bar them from America, I suppose.

    How many Muslims has the United States killed or maimed in the past 20 years? You can’t see past your own nose can you?
     
    You mean, that didn't deserve it? I dunno, you tell me.

    We are bombing and killing the people of the Middle East. Are they not entitled to defend themselves?
     
    For the record, I was vocally opposed to Iraq Attaq II from the moment the rumors started. As were most White Nationalists. I still am against the constant USG military action in west Asia and North Africa, as are most White Nationalists. Of course, Muslims in the west show their gratitude by hating our guts and siding with our enemies (the people who bomb them).

    We have been bombing and killing and displacing them by the tens of millions.
     
    Gonna need a cite on that one.

    I think one basic thing to keep in mind here is that Muslims and Americans have opposite approaches to the deaths of civilians. Americans avoid them, apologize for them, and punish the transgressors, where possible. Muslims seek them, glorify them, and reward the perpetrators as heroes.

    We Americans and Isrealis play the victim whenever faced with the inevitable consequences of our aggression in the Middle East.

    Grow up.
     
    Again, your equivalency is a false one (this is to be expected; lying is what leftists do, it's like their national sport).

    When a surrender-monkey & traitor like you appears in the west, he is lauded as a good leftist. When the Muslim equivalent arises in their territory, the opposite reaction is seen; he is condemned for a traitor, shunned, attacked, perhaps put up against a wall and shot.

    And yet Muslims cannot invite themselves to America and the west fast enough, can they sport?
     
    This.

    Yeah, I went to college in St. Cloud. I can’t tell you how much misery it caused the professors to live in the land of Bachmann. It was especially bad in 2002, when Paul Wellstone died and Republicans won both houses of Congress. That was some sweet schadenfreude.
     
    I don't think "schadenfreude" works here. It's supposed to involve misfortune.

    Do you also find it odd that Americans who believe they are jewish feel under attack when there is retaliation in Israel or France against other people who think they are jewish? Or what about all the attention given by jewish-Americans in the United States to jews in Germany during WWII? Weird, huh?
     
    And yet, Germans didn't use it as an excuse to start killing one another (so quislings could blame it all on America).

    Ha, you have to go back half a millennia to try to come up with misdeeds by Muslims remotely comparable to American and Jewish ongoing atrocities.
     
    Nonsense. 95% of the deaths you've been laying at the feet of America are actually perpetrated by Muslims against other Muslims. They live to bump each other off.

    The sooner we understand that the violence against us in the United States is reasonable retaliation for our own actions, the sooner we can get out of this problem.
     
    I think this is wrong. I think it's a recipe for further capitulation to Muslim immigration. It fits in nicely with the rest of the "poor huddled masses" bullshit.

    “Our concern is with the American people…..”

    No, that doesn’t appear to be your concern at all.
     
    Thread-winner.

    Replies: @guest

    Yes, it was their misfortune, not necessarily the country’s.

  199. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous


    Do Americans and people who believe they are Jewish ever wonder why Buddhists don’t have to worry about anti-Buddhist terror attacks?
     
    Anonymous, this is just plain wrong, as several replies point out. Wherever Islam is in contact with another civilization there is violent conflict. Islam+diversity=>violence.

    However it is true that muslims have a particular stiffy with regard to attacking the West. The West\Christendom was the civilization in most direct contact\conflict with Islam and that most directly stood against its cancerous expansion, fought against it and eventually--mostly expelled--it from its traditional territory. Islam is still smarting from being shown up as inferior and beaten by the West.

    So the actual take-home from your comment would be that we in the West should be *particularly* careful not to let Muslims into our nations.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Wherever Islam is in contact with another civilization there is violent conflict. Islam+diversity=>violence.

    Not true, and not any more so than other human identity groups.

    Islam’s peaceful coexistence with jews and Christians for centuries contradicts your empirical claim.

    You also omit the fact that, but for the unifying power of Islam across multitudes of people, they would atomize into warring tribes. This is another part of the calculation that Islam is relatively pacifying.

    Why are you censoring my comments here, Steve?

    • Replies: @Antonymous
    @Anonymous


    Islam’s peaceful coexistence with jews and Christians for centuries contradicts your empirical claim.
     
    Here are questions to ask yourself: how did Islam spread so far and wide in the Dark Ages? How did conquered peoples fare? I think someone needs to see this presentation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AhLlYNGxFE&feature=share
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    "Islam’s peaceful coexistence with jews and Christians for centuries contradicts your empirical claim."

    That's just a lie. Islams' "peaceful coexistence" consisted of submission to muslim rule. It was the peace of the tyrant - knuckle under or die.

  200. @Anonymous
    What I really cannot understand is why that Somalis are sent to Minnesota - the coldest state in the continental USA - and not to the torrid and arid states of Arizona and New Mexico, where, surely they would be fully acclimatized.
    Somalia, lest we forget is just about the damned hottest spot on planet earth. Never mind the PC bullshit, hard north USA winters must be very hard on them.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Alden, @Dylan

    Somalis are sent to Minnesota because it is a stronghold of the Lutheran religion.
    The Lutherans are the greatest scam artists since Bernie Madoff. They scrounge tens of millions a year from the taxpayers for their refugee resettlement services.
    Essentially our government pays the Lutherans to bring them here. The refugee resettlement service consists of bringing them to the local welfare office and coercing local government to build housing projects for them

    Taxpayers pay for it and Lutherans think they will go to heaven for their good deeds

    Lutherans are t the only religion who does this Catholic charities, Baptists Methodists Hebrew immigration society the Episcopals they are all doing it

    And they all seem to be resettled where a new food processing plant is, non Union low pay and dangerous of course. But the 5th world dreck doesn’t complain because they are breaking the law by being on welfare and working

    Some Somalis were settled in Atlanta but the local blacks took care of them. So some religion sent them all off to Maine because they knew the Whites could not resist Somalia crime without ACLU SPLC DOJ et all coming down on them

  201. @Anonymous
    What I really cannot understand is why that Somalis are sent to Minnesota - the coldest state in the continental USA - and not to the torrid and arid states of Arizona and New Mexico, where, surely they would be fully acclimatized.
    Somalia, lest we forget is just about the damned hottest spot on planet earth. Never mind the PC bullshit, hard north USA winters must be very hard on them.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Alden, @Dylan

    The cold Minnesota winters don’t bother the Somalis at all. Welfare pays for their 85 degree heated homes all winter long. Plus since they don’t work, they don’t have to go out much. They get the elderly and disabled van service when they have to go to the market to use their food stamps

    There are many varieties of disability. Plus the Lutherans will supply a social worker to help them shop

  202. @Anonymous
    @Marcus

    Has another society in history more concerned with not hurting feelings than retaliating?

    The aggressor (the United States) does not get to claim"retaliation."

    Replies: @Marcus

    I’m not just talking about the US, but in any case you miss the point: most peoples retaliate if minorities act up, white/Western societies worry about not hurting their feelings.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Marcus

    And my point is that US action does not qualify as "retaliation" because we are the initial aggressor.

    Replies: @Marcus

  203. @Antonymous
    @Anonymous

    Just to add.. This is why many of us are voting to remove this damnable neo-con cabal from power. We tried in 2008 with Obama, but he was just as compromised as Bush (except with respect to Iran, which he inexplicably funds). Now we're trying Trump, who has no financial ties to former policy makers.

    But you I suspect would vote for the perpetrator of war crimes herself, Ms Clinton, because someone insinuated you'd be racist otherwise.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    From from it. You have interesting hallucinations of me.

  204. @Marcus
    @Anonymous

    I'm not just talking about the US, but in any case you miss the point: most peoples retaliate if minorities act up, white/Western societies worry about not hurting their feelings.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    And my point is that US action does not qualify as “retaliation” because we are the initial aggressor.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    @Anonymous

    You need to look up the definition of retaliation, and I wouldn't want nor expect it from the US government, which doesn't represent majority interests and hasn't in a long time. Also the idea that they're fighting a war is laughable, they wouldn't have moved here and tried to leech off white American generosity if that was the case.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  205. @Anonymous
    @Marcus

    And my point is that US action does not qualify as "retaliation" because we are the initial aggressor.

    Replies: @Marcus

    You need to look up the definition of retaliation, and I wouldn’t want nor expect it from the US government, which doesn’t represent majority interests and hasn’t in a long time. Also the idea that they’re fighting a war is laughable, they wouldn’t have moved here and tried to leech off white American generosity if that was the case.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Marcus

    You need to look up the definition of "fighting a war". Of course we are fighting a war against them.

    The term retaliation has a defensive connotation to it. The US cannot claim self defense because it was the initial aggressor.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Marcus

  206. @Marcus
    @Anonymous

    You need to look up the definition of retaliation, and I wouldn't want nor expect it from the US government, which doesn't represent majority interests and hasn't in a long time. Also the idea that they're fighting a war is laughable, they wouldn't have moved here and tried to leech off white American generosity if that was the case.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    You need to look up the definition of “fighting a war”. Of course we are fighting a war against them.

    The term retaliation has a defensive connotation to it. The US cannot claim self defense because it was the initial aggressor.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    Good to know. So I can walk up to swarthy types, ask where they hail from, and kill them if they answer with the right country? Because we're at war, right?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Marcus
    @Anonymous

    You don't immigrate to a country you're fighting. Really, you are dim even by Somali standards.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  207. @Twinkie
    @anon


    Do Buddhists in non-Buddhist countries typically cause this much trouble for their hosts?
     
    1. Islamists are typically much more violent than Buddhists, for a host of historical, doctrinal, and other reasons. Even so, that violence is concentrated along very specific sectarian lines.

    2. Buddhists are fewer than a third of the population of Muslims, and half of those Buddhists live in a politically authoritarian country (China) where religion-tinged violence is stridently suppressed.

    3. Muslims tend to live in civilizational fault lines with greater propensity for inter-communal conflict. Where Buddhists do also, they become rather violent as well (e.g. Myanmar).

    4. None of the above should lead one to assume that Buddhists are intrinsically non-violent. History argues against that assumption (China, Japan, Mongolia, etc.).

    Replies: @anon, @Jefferson, @Mr. Anon, @Joe Schmoe, @Marcus

    Buddhists are fewer than a third of the population of Muslims, and half of those Buddhists live in a politically authoritarian country (China) where religion-tinged violence is stridently suppressed.

    Hmmm…

    Shouldn’t all violence be stridently suppressed?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Joe Schmoe


    Shouldn’t all violence be stridently suppressed?
     
    The Chinese government view is, unsurprisingly, very Westphalian - that only the state has the right to organized violence.
  208. @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Wherever Islam is in contact with another civilization there is violent conflict. Islam+diversity=>violence.

    Not true, and not any more so than other human identity groups.

    Islam's peaceful coexistence with jews and Christians for centuries contradicts your empirical claim.

    You also omit the fact that, but for the unifying power of Islam across multitudes of people, they would atomize into warring tribes. This is another part of the calculation that Islam is relatively pacifying.

    Why are you censoring my comments here, Steve?

    Replies: @Antonymous, @Mr. Anon

    Islam’s peaceful coexistence with jews and Christians for centuries contradicts your empirical claim.

    Here are questions to ask yourself: how did Islam spread so far and wide in the Dark Ages? How did conquered peoples fare? I think someone needs to see this presentation:

  209. @guest
    @Anonymous

    Somalis aren't from the Middle East, you boob. They're not fleeing our bombs; they're fleeing other Somalis.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Joe Schmoe

    Somalis aren’t from the Middle East, you boob. They’re not fleeing our bombs; they’re fleeing other Somalis.

    snicker

  210. @Anonymous
    @Karl

    so in your opinion, what is the correct homeland ( = indigenous place) of Hebrew ethnic people?

    Not Palestine. The United States, for U.S. citizens who believe they are jewish.

    Replies: @Karl, @Karl

    > Not Palestine. The United States, for U.S. citizens who believe they are jewish.

    …and here I was, thinking that the indigenous language of the Land of Israel, is Hebrew. The Canaanites spokew prot-Hebrew.

    Dig straight down 10 meters in Jericho, you start finding tax-receipts IN HEBREW showing that some peasant paid his taxes to Jerusalem.

    Arabic only arrived on the heels of a colonialist invasion in the AD 690’s.

    When the indigenous Spaniards grew strong enough, you lost al-Andalus forever….. when the indigenous Hebrews grow strong enough, you will lose Palestine forever.

  211. @Anonymous
    @Karl

    so in your opinion, what is the correct homeland ( = indigenous place) of Hebrew ethnic people?

    Not Palestine. The United States, for U.S. citizens who believe they are jewish.

    Replies: @Karl, @Karl

    > Not Palestine. The United States, for U.S. citizens who believe they are jewish.

    …and here I was, thinking that the indigenous language of the Land of Israel, is Hebrew. The Canaanites spoke (what we NOW call) ancient Hebrew. As did the Phoenicians

    Dig straight down 10 meters in Jericho, you start finding tax-receipts IN HEBREW showing that some peasant paid his taxes to Jerusalem.

    Arabic only arrived on the heels of a colonialist invasion in the AD 690’s.

    When the indigenous Spaniards grew strong enough, you lost al-Andalus forever….. when the indigenous Hebrews grow strong enough, you will lose Palestine forever.

  212. @Mr. Anon
    @Twinkie

    "To knit pick a little, I believe the expression is “Allahu Akbar,” not “Allah Akbar” "

    Other acceptable forms:

    Aloha Snackbar

    Admiral Akbar

    Allstate Nascar

    Replies: @dr kill, @Joe Schmoe

    Aloha Snackbar

    Admiral Akbar

    Allstate Nascar

    Okay, you have got to be great at Scrabble.

  213. @The Alarmist
    @415 reasons

    But Somali's make good meatpacking plant workers, ostensibly work regular Americans won't do anymore. The training and desensitisation one receives on the job that makes it easy to go after other human beings with a blade is just an added perk.

    A real American would have used a gun, and we all know how dangerous and bad guns are, so we should be grateful the elites are bringing in Somalis, as it helps reduce gun violene, albeit as a share of total violence.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    “But Somali’s make good meatpacking plant workers, ostensibly work regular Americans won’t do anymore. The training and desensitisation one receives on the job that makes it easy to go after other human beings with a blade is just an added perk.

    Uh, 100 years ago they used to import Norwegians to be meat packers, cuz my forbears came to Omaha and worked there. Yet for some reason those young disposessed poor Norwegians didn’t go berserk in the shopping emporiums. Hmmm… I wonder what the difference could be? Well Omaha is farther south than Norway, while Minnesota is further north than Mogadishu. So…, all that moving north caused something in the brain… I wonder if I could get a grant to research this at the University of Minnesota. A few years and a couple of million dollars and I think I could come up with a “study” of the topic…

  214. @Hunsdon
    @Mr. Anon

    Not the best of examples, as both al Assad and Hussein were secular Baathists.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Hussein had no problem playing the pious muslim after his shellacking in 1991. Evidently, he sometimes found it expedient in winning over the crowd.

  215. @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Wherever Islam is in contact with another civilization there is violent conflict. Islam+diversity=>violence.

    Not true, and not any more so than other human identity groups.

    Islam's peaceful coexistence with jews and Christians for centuries contradicts your empirical claim.

    You also omit the fact that, but for the unifying power of Islam across multitudes of people, they would atomize into warring tribes. This is another part of the calculation that Islam is relatively pacifying.

    Why are you censoring my comments here, Steve?

    Replies: @Antonymous, @Mr. Anon

    “Islam’s peaceful coexistence with jews and Christians for centuries contradicts your empirical claim.”

    That’s just a lie. Islams’ “peaceful coexistence” consisted of submission to muslim rule. It was the peace of the tyrant – knuckle under or die.

  216. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    I'm suggesting that the United Stated is bombing the Middle East and Somalia. And the people of the Middle East and Somalia have a right to defend themselves from our violence and interventions.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    the people of the Middle East and Somalia have a right to defend themselves

    By attacking civilians while dressed as non-combatants?

    I am afraid that is not how legally sanctioned war is supposed to work, and it has been so since the Treaties of Westphalia.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    By attacking civilians while dressed as non-combatants?

    I am afraid that is not how legally sanctioned war is supposed to work, and it has been so since the Treaties of Westphalia.


    Was the legitimacy of targeting civilians not established during World War 2 in at Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki?

    Replies: @Twinkie

  217. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    The Iraq invasion was illegal.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    The Iraq invasion was illegal.

    Says who? While one can certainly argue whether it was wise or not (and the evidence weighs toward the latter), it was not illegal under the various international conventions of warfare to which both the United States and Iraq are party.

    However, what WAS illegal under the rules of war was various Saddamist, Ba’athist, and Jihadi groups engaging in attacks on the occupying powers and civilians, all the while dressed as civilians and (when defeated) melting into the civilian population. All such actions ARE illegal under the international rules of warfare.

    Mind you, I am not saying I agree necessarily with such international rules, but there they are.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Twinkie


    Says who? While one can certainly argue whether it was wise or not (and the evidence weighs toward the latter), it was not illegal under the various international conventions of warfare to which both the United States and Iraq are party.
     
    Say the vast majority of countries and international law scholars.

    Can you show me the UN Security Council Resolution authorizing the Iraq War?

    Replies: @Twinkie

  218. @Perplexed
    @Twinkie

    Doesn't it mean "[Our] God is greater?" Supremacism.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Doesn’t it mean “[Our] God is greater?” Supremacism.

    I do not think there is the connotation of “our” there. Muslims believe there is only one God (and that Muhammad is His Messenger), so the distinction is between that of the House of Islam and the House of War (or unbelievers), not “our god vs. their god.”

    “Akbar” means “greater” or “greatest.” See Takbir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takbir

  219. @Joe Schmoe
    @Twinkie


    Buddhists are fewer than a third of the population of Muslims, and half of those Buddhists live in a politically authoritarian country (China) where religion-tinged violence is stridently suppressed.
     
    Hmmm...

    Shouldn't all violence be stridently suppressed?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Shouldn’t all violence be stridently suppressed?

    The Chinese government view is, unsurprisingly, very Westphalian – that only the state has the right to organized violence.

  220. @Wilkey
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Use of bombs. Targeting people at random. Two or more perps.

    Those are the three sure signs of Islamic terrorism. Anytime you hear speculation that "right-wing terrorists" may have been responsible (the one incident we get every five years or so), just remember that the more of those boxes it checks the more likely it is to be Islamic terrorism instead of any other.

    That "right-wing terrorist" who shot up the Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs used a gun, was a lone wolf, and was targeting specific people (or a specific type of person).

    Indeed, the key distinction of Islamic terrorism that proves that it's an inherently violent ideology is not only that there is so much violence in its name, but that those perpetrating violence in its name seem to have no problem finding other Muslims willing to work with them, or at least not report them.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Use of bombs. Targeting people at random. Two or more perps.

    Those are the three sure signs of Islamic terrorism.

    Not so. The so-called Virtual Ummah that radicalizes Muslims in the West and urges them to engage in personal terrorist attacks doesn’t limit its recommended methodology to improvised explosives (though they are featured prominently at times), nor does it suggest “two or more perps.”

    As the number of conspirators increases, the chance of detection rises dramatically.

    Its modus operandi has been shifting from that of a centralized core leadership of Arab “Afghanis” (those non-Afghans, mostly Arabs, who fought in the Afghan Jihad against the Soviet Union) directing attacks on the West, to the “franchise” model of delegated regional leaders loosely following the core leadership, to now the highly decentralized model of providing ideological guidance and indoctrination to “self-radicalized” Muslims in the West to launch “lone wolf” attacks that are exceedingly difficult to prevent.

    Indeed, the key distinction of Islamic terrorism that proves that it’s an inherently violent ideology is not only that there is so much violence in its name, but that those perpetrating violence in its name seem to have no problem finding other Muslims willing to work with them, or at least not report them.

    That’s not a “key distinction of Islamic terrorism” at all. Mao in his “On Guerilla Warfare,” urged his cadres to move like a fish in the sea.

  221. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    The Iraq invasion was illegal.
     
    Says who? While one can certainly argue whether it was wise or not (and the evidence weighs toward the latter), it was not illegal under the various international conventions of warfare to which both the United States and Iraq are party.

    However, what WAS illegal under the rules of war was various Saddamist, Ba'athist, and Jihadi groups engaging in attacks on the occupying powers and civilians, all the while dressed as civilians and (when defeated) melting into the civilian population. All such actions ARE illegal under the international rules of warfare.

    Mind you, I am not saying I agree necessarily with such international rules, but there they are.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Says who? While one can certainly argue whether it was wise or not (and the evidence weighs toward the latter), it was not illegal under the various international conventions of warfare to which both the United States and Iraq are party.

    Say the vast majority of countries and international law scholars.

    Can you show me the UN Security Council Resolution authorizing the Iraq War?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Say the vast majority of countries and international law scholars.
     
    That fuzzy statement means nothing.

    Can you show me the UN Security Council Resolution authorizing the Iraq War?
     
    Sovereign states with casus belli can wage war on each other without permission from the UN Security Council though the conduct of any war is subject to international convention.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

  222. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    the people of the Middle East and Somalia have a right to defend themselves
     
    By attacking civilians while dressed as non-combatants?

    I am afraid that is not how legally sanctioned war is supposed to work, and it has been so since the Treaties of Westphalia.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    By attacking civilians while dressed as non-combatants?

    I am afraid that is not how legally sanctioned war is supposed to work, and it has been so since the Treaties of Westphalia.

    Was the legitimacy of targeting civilians not established during World War 2 in at Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Was the legitimacy of targeting civilians not established during World War 2 in at Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki?
     
    My original statement/question "attacking civilians while dressed as non-combatants" has two issues.

    First, legitimate combatants in war are to be dressed so they can be identified as combatants. The Allied bombers that attacked the Axis cities clearly met this definition.

    Second, combatants must attack military targets (though collateral damages are impossible to prevent).

    Here the case of Allied bombings gets a bit fuzzy. Attacking industrial centers (ball bearing factories and such) meets the definition even if such attacks cause significant damages. Firebombing entire cities is much more questionable. At the time the attacks occurred, their legality was murky because the Hague Convention did not address air attacks (it only governed acts of war on land and sea). By today's standards, they would be war crimes.

    In the case of lone wolf Jihadis, they meet neither of the definitions of legitimate combatant attacking military targets. Continuing to insist that such actions are some form of self-defense in response to military activities in the Middle East is either ignorant of actual laws of war today, intentionally obtuse or, worse, propaganda for the Jihadis.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

  223. @Anonymous
    @Marcus

    You need to look up the definition of "fighting a war". Of course we are fighting a war against them.

    The term retaliation has a defensive connotation to it. The US cannot claim self defense because it was the initial aggressor.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Marcus

    Good to know. So I can walk up to swarthy types, ask where they hail from, and kill them if they answer with the right country? Because we’re at war, right?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Brutusale

    No, because the war you are waging against them is unjustified.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  224. @Anonymous
    @Marcus

    You need to look up the definition of "fighting a war". Of course we are fighting a war against them.

    The term retaliation has a defensive connotation to it. The US cannot claim self defense because it was the initial aggressor.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Marcus

    You don’t immigrate to a country you’re fighting. Really, you are dim even by Somali standards.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Marcus

    Sure you do. If the United States has destroyed your country, why not move to theirs? Seems very fair.

    Replies: @Marcus

  225. @Twinkie
    @anon


    Do Buddhists in non-Buddhist countries typically cause this much trouble for their hosts?
     
    1. Islamists are typically much more violent than Buddhists, for a host of historical, doctrinal, and other reasons. Even so, that violence is concentrated along very specific sectarian lines.

    2. Buddhists are fewer than a third of the population of Muslims, and half of those Buddhists live in a politically authoritarian country (China) where religion-tinged violence is stridently suppressed.

    3. Muslims tend to live in civilizational fault lines with greater propensity for inter-communal conflict. Where Buddhists do also, they become rather violent as well (e.g. Myanmar).

    4. None of the above should lead one to assume that Buddhists are intrinsically non-violent. History argues against that assumption (China, Japan, Mongolia, etc.).

    Replies: @anon, @Jefferson, @Mr. Anon, @Joe Schmoe, @Marcus

    That was a roundabout way of not an answer, but I think we all know what the correct one is.

  226. @5371
    @Corvinus

    [(rolling of eyes)]

    Corvy's razor-sharp intellect has enabled him to come up with this ground-breaking new version of "wow, just wow".

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Pay close attention. The same argument today against immigrants was used by nativists against those groups whom they believed constituted a threat to the American way of life. So if you have Irish or eastern European blood, chances are your ancestors faced the exact same scrutiny, that they lacked the intellect to comprehend constitutional principles and the rule of law. Yet, these groups insisted they were assets rather than liabilities, and proved over time to just as American as the next person. Just because a few Somalis are criminals does not mean the entire lot of them are criminals or prone to criminals.

  227. @guest
    @Corvinus

    The blacks in question are not an immigrant group. Pay attention.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The blacks in question are not an immigrant group. Pay attention.”

    The article noted that the attacker was of Somali descent. Are not Somalis immigrants to the United States?

    • Replies: @guest
    @Corvinus

    Which article? The quote you pulled was in reference to a study the above poster linked to, which showed that violent crime is a black thing in Minneapolis. Most of the black people in Minneapolis aren't Africans, in case you didn't know.

    This is why I said pay attention.

  228. @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    Good to know. So I can walk up to swarthy types, ask where they hail from, and kill them if they answer with the right country? Because we're at war, right?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    No, because the war you are waging against them is unjustified.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    Lat I checked, we weren't at war with Somalia.

    But you're proving the point that you can't seem to wrap your head around. If we're "at war" with what's essentially the entirety of the Ummah, I should be proactively killing every Muslim I come across.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  229. @Marcus
    @Anonymous

    You don't immigrate to a country you're fighting. Really, you are dim even by Somali standards.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Sure you do. If the United States has destroyed your country, why not move to theirs? Seems very fair.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    @Anonymous

    Life, and especially war, is unfair but that's besides the point: one doesn't move peaceably to a country he's at war with. They're moving to escape each other and to enjoy the fruits of white American generosity. Even whitey's patience is finite though, as they and other parasites will find out.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  230. @Anonymous
    @Marcus

    Sure you do. If the United States has destroyed your country, why not move to theirs? Seems very fair.

    Replies: @Marcus

    Life, and especially war, is unfair but that’s besides the point: one doesn’t move peaceably to a country he’s at war with. They’re moving to escape each other and to enjoy the fruits of white American generosity. Even whitey’s patience is finite though, as they and other parasites will find out.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Marcus

    Life, and especially war, is unfair but that’s besides the point: one doesn’t move peaceably to a country he’s at war with. They’re moving to escape each other and to enjoy the fruits of white American generosity.

    Of course one does. The 9/11 hijackers moved to the United States, as have others. Palestinians, Afghans, and Iraqis move to the United States, even though the United States is responsible for their dispossession.

    Moreover, if a country is attacking your homeland, and is stupid enough to let you move inside its own borders, it is smart for the victims to do so, whether they intend to oppose the attacking country in the conflict or simply as a means of territorial acquisition.

    Replies: @Marcus

  231. @Corvinus
    @guest

    "The blacks in question are not an immigrant group. Pay attention."

    The article noted that the attacker was of Somali descent. Are not Somalis immigrants to the United States?

    Replies: @guest

    Which article? The quote you pulled was in reference to a study the above poster linked to, which showed that violent crime is a black thing in Minneapolis. Most of the black people in Minneapolis aren’t Africans, in case you didn’t know.

    This is why I said pay attention.

  232. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    By attacking civilians while dressed as non-combatants?

    I am afraid that is not how legally sanctioned war is supposed to work, and it has been so since the Treaties of Westphalia.


    Was the legitimacy of targeting civilians not established during World War 2 in at Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Was the legitimacy of targeting civilians not established during World War 2 in at Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki?

    My original statement/question “attacking civilians while dressed as non-combatants” has two issues.

    First, legitimate combatants in war are to be dressed so they can be identified as combatants. The Allied bombers that attacked the Axis cities clearly met this definition.

    Second, combatants must attack military targets (though collateral damages are impossible to prevent).

    Here the case of Allied bombings gets a bit fuzzy. Attacking industrial centers (ball bearing factories and such) meets the definition even if such attacks cause significant damages. Firebombing entire cities is much more questionable. At the time the attacks occurred, their legality was murky because the Hague Convention did not address air attacks (it only governed acts of war on land and sea). By today’s standards, they would be war crimes.

    In the case of lone wolf Jihadis, they meet neither of the definitions of legitimate combatant attacking military targets. Continuing to insist that such actions are some form of self-defense in response to military activities in the Middle East is either ignorant of actual laws of war today, intentionally obtuse or, worse, propaganda for the Jihadis.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    A group that are violently attacked and is not the initial aggressor has a right to respond proportionately with violence. There is no more fundamental principle of justice. And the United States has established that killing civilians is legitimate.

    , @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    Allied bombers that attacked the Axis cities clearly met this definition.

    Not so. They sprung their attacks on civilians under cover of darkness.

  233. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie


    Says who? While one can certainly argue whether it was wise or not (and the evidence weighs toward the latter), it was not illegal under the various international conventions of warfare to which both the United States and Iraq are party.
     
    Say the vast majority of countries and international law scholars.

    Can you show me the UN Security Council Resolution authorizing the Iraq War?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Say the vast majority of countries and international law scholars.

    That fuzzy statement means nothing.

    Can you show me the UN Security Council Resolution authorizing the Iraq War?

    Sovereign states with casus belli can wage war on each other without permission from the UN Security Council though the conduct of any war is subject to international convention.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    Sovereign states with casus belli can wage war on each other without permission from the UN Security Council though the conduct of any war is subject to international convention.

    The Iraq War was a violation of the UN Charter that the United States is a signatory of.

    Sovereign states with casus belli can wage war on each other without permission from the UN Security Council though the conduct of any war is subject to international convention.

    And oppressed groups can defend themselves with violence against the violence of "states".

    , @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    That fuzzy statement means nothing.

    It is hardly fuzzy and in fact quite equivocal: It means the invasion of Iraq was a war crime.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  234. @Barnard
    @Jefferson

    It depends on what you mean by very white. You are going to be hard pressed to find over 90% white in any of those places anymore and you can forget about over 95%.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “It depends on what you mean by very white. You are going to be hard pressed to find over 90% white in any of those places anymore and you can forget about over 95%.”

    Nonsense. Bismarck, North Dakota for example is 92 percent White and has a population of over 68,000 people.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Jefferson

    That was my point. You came up with one example that is barely 90% white out of ten states you listed. I said you would be hard pressed to find examples and you were, that isn't nonsense.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  235. @Anonymous
    @Brutusale

    No, because the war you are waging against them is unjustified.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Lat I checked, we weren’t at war with Somalia.

    But you’re proving the point that you can’t seem to wrap your head around. If we’re “at war” with what’s essentially the entirety of the Ummah, I should be proactively killing every Muslim I come across.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Brutusale

    We are bombing and intervening in Somalia, and funding other states to violently intervene in Somalia. Call it "war", or whatever you like. It is violent intervention and aggression.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  236. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Say the vast majority of countries and international law scholars.
     
    That fuzzy statement means nothing.

    Can you show me the UN Security Council Resolution authorizing the Iraq War?
     
    Sovereign states with casus belli can wage war on each other without permission from the UN Security Council though the conduct of any war is subject to international convention.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Sovereign states with casus belli can wage war on each other without permission from the UN Security Council though the conduct of any war is subject to international convention.

    The Iraq War was a violation of the UN Charter that the United States is a signatory of.

    Sovereign states with casus belli can wage war on each other without permission from the UN Security Council though the conduct of any war is subject to international convention.

    And oppressed groups can defend themselves with violence against the violence of “states”.

  237. @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    Lat I checked, we weren't at war with Somalia.

    But you're proving the point that you can't seem to wrap your head around. If we're "at war" with what's essentially the entirety of the Ummah, I should be proactively killing every Muslim I come across.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    We are bombing and intervening in Somalia, and funding other states to violently intervene in Somalia. Call it “war”, or whatever you like. It is violent intervention and aggression.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    No matter the "aggressor", my point still stands: by your lights, I'm within my rights to do the Stabby Al-Stab on any Somali I come across, right? Because we're "at war", right?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  238. @Jefferson
    @Barnard

    "It depends on what you mean by very white. You are going to be hard pressed to find over 90% white in any of those places anymore and you can forget about over 95%."

    Nonsense. Bismarck, North Dakota for example is 92 percent White and has a population of over 68,000 people.

    Replies: @Barnard

    That was my point. You came up with one example that is barely 90% white out of ten states you listed. I said you would be hard pressed to find examples and you were, that isn’t nonsense.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Barnard

    "That was my point. You came up with one example that is barely 90% white out of ten states you listed. I said you would be hard pressed to find examples and you were, that isn’t nonsense"

    92 percent White is not barely 90 percent White, it's over 90 percent White. Another example is Missoula, Montana which has over 71,000 people and is also 92 percent White.

    And when you factor in that Whites are nowhere near 92 percent of The U.S population as a whole, 92 percent is pretty damn White for any small town let alone a city of over 50,000 people.

    And 92 percent White is definitely super White by global international standards where Whites are a Minority.

  239. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Marcus
    @Anonymous

    Life, and especially war, is unfair but that's besides the point: one doesn't move peaceably to a country he's at war with. They're moving to escape each other and to enjoy the fruits of white American generosity. Even whitey's patience is finite though, as they and other parasites will find out.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Life, and especially war, is unfair but that’s besides the point: one doesn’t move peaceably to a country he’s at war with. They’re moving to escape each other and to enjoy the fruits of white American generosity.

    Of course one does. The 9/11 hijackers moved to the United States, as have others. Palestinians, Afghans, and Iraqis move to the United States, even though the United States is responsible for their dispossession.

    Moreover, if a country is attacking your homeland, and is stupid enough to let you move inside its own borders, it is smart for the victims to do so, whether they intend to oppose the attacking country in the conflict or simply as a means of territorial acquisition.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    @Anonymous

    9/11 hijackers were from Egypt and Saudi Arabia, two "allies" of the US. Iraq and Afghanistan are also "allies" with military forces equipped and trained by the US.


    Moreover, if a country is attacking your homeland, and is stupid enough to let you move inside its own borders
     
    I agree with this, white Americans (not the US government, which is responsible for the immigrants' presence) should view recent immigrants as enemy combatants and treat them accordingly.
  240. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Was the legitimacy of targeting civilians not established during World War 2 in at Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki?
     
    My original statement/question "attacking civilians while dressed as non-combatants" has two issues.

    First, legitimate combatants in war are to be dressed so they can be identified as combatants. The Allied bombers that attacked the Axis cities clearly met this definition.

    Second, combatants must attack military targets (though collateral damages are impossible to prevent).

    Here the case of Allied bombings gets a bit fuzzy. Attacking industrial centers (ball bearing factories and such) meets the definition even if such attacks cause significant damages. Firebombing entire cities is much more questionable. At the time the attacks occurred, their legality was murky because the Hague Convention did not address air attacks (it only governed acts of war on land and sea). By today's standards, they would be war crimes.

    In the case of lone wolf Jihadis, they meet neither of the definitions of legitimate combatant attacking military targets. Continuing to insist that such actions are some form of self-defense in response to military activities in the Middle East is either ignorant of actual laws of war today, intentionally obtuse or, worse, propaganda for the Jihadis.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    A group that are violently attacked and is not the initial aggressor has a right to respond proportionately with violence. There is no more fundamental principle of justice. And the United States has established that killing civilians is legitimate.

  241. Iraq War Was Illegal and Breached UN Charter – UN Secretary General

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq

  242. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Was the legitimacy of targeting civilians not established during World War 2 in at Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki?
     
    My original statement/question "attacking civilians while dressed as non-combatants" has two issues.

    First, legitimate combatants in war are to be dressed so they can be identified as combatants. The Allied bombers that attacked the Axis cities clearly met this definition.

    Second, combatants must attack military targets (though collateral damages are impossible to prevent).

    Here the case of Allied bombings gets a bit fuzzy. Attacking industrial centers (ball bearing factories and such) meets the definition even if such attacks cause significant damages. Firebombing entire cities is much more questionable. At the time the attacks occurred, their legality was murky because the Hague Convention did not address air attacks (it only governed acts of war on land and sea). By today's standards, they would be war crimes.

    In the case of lone wolf Jihadis, they meet neither of the definitions of legitimate combatant attacking military targets. Continuing to insist that such actions are some form of self-defense in response to military activities in the Middle East is either ignorant of actual laws of war today, intentionally obtuse or, worse, propaganda for the Jihadis.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Allied bombers that attacked the Axis cities clearly met this definition.

    Not so. They sprung their attacks on civilians under cover of darkness.

  243. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Say the vast majority of countries and international law scholars.
     
    That fuzzy statement means nothing.

    Can you show me the UN Security Council Resolution authorizing the Iraq War?
     
    Sovereign states with casus belli can wage war on each other without permission from the UN Security Council though the conduct of any war is subject to international convention.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    That fuzzy statement means nothing.

    It is hardly fuzzy and in fact quite equivocal: It means the invasion of Iraq was a war crime.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    That fuzzy statement means nothing

    It is hardly fuzzy and in fact quite UNEQUIVOCAL: It means the invasion of Iraq was a war crime.

  244. @Anonymous
    @Marcus

    Life, and especially war, is unfair but that’s besides the point: one doesn’t move peaceably to a country he’s at war with. They’re moving to escape each other and to enjoy the fruits of white American generosity.

    Of course one does. The 9/11 hijackers moved to the United States, as have others. Palestinians, Afghans, and Iraqis move to the United States, even though the United States is responsible for their dispossession.

    Moreover, if a country is attacking your homeland, and is stupid enough to let you move inside its own borders, it is smart for the victims to do so, whether they intend to oppose the attacking country in the conflict or simply as a means of territorial acquisition.

    Replies: @Marcus

    9/11 hijackers were from Egypt and Saudi Arabia, two “allies” of the US. Iraq and Afghanistan are also “allies” with military forces equipped and trained by the US.

    Moreover, if a country is attacking your homeland, and is stupid enough to let you move inside its own borders

    I agree with this, white Americans (not the US government, which is responsible for the immigrants’ presence) should view recent immigrants as enemy combatants and treat them accordingly.

  245. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    That fuzzy statement means nothing.

    It is hardly fuzzy and in fact quite equivocal: It means the invasion of Iraq was a war crime.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That fuzzy statement means nothing

    It is hardly fuzzy and in fact quite UNEQUIVOCAL: It means the invasion of Iraq was a war crime.

  246. @Barnard
    @Jefferson

    That was my point. You came up with one example that is barely 90% white out of ten states you listed. I said you would be hard pressed to find examples and you were, that isn't nonsense.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “That was my point. You came up with one example that is barely 90% white out of ten states you listed. I said you would be hard pressed to find examples and you were, that isn’t nonsense”

    92 percent White is not barely 90 percent White, it’s over 90 percent White. Another example is Missoula, Montana which has over 71,000 people and is also 92 percent White.

    And when you factor in that Whites are nowhere near 92 percent of The U.S population as a whole, 92 percent is pretty damn White for any small town let alone a city of over 50,000 people.

    And 92 percent White is definitely super White by global international standards where Whites are a Minority.

  247. @Anonymous
    @Brutusale

    We are bombing and intervening in Somalia, and funding other states to violently intervene in Somalia. Call it "war", or whatever you like. It is violent intervention and aggression.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    No matter the “aggressor”, my point still stands: by your lights, I’m within my rights to do the Stabby Al-Stab on any Somali I come across, right? Because we’re “at war”, right?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Brutusale

    No, because you are fighting an unjust war against people and you therefore don't have such a right. It would not be in self defense. By your logic, one would merely need to "declare war" on another people in order to be justified in killing them. No.

  248. @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    No matter the "aggressor", my point still stands: by your lights, I'm within my rights to do the Stabby Al-Stab on any Somali I come across, right? Because we're "at war", right?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    No, because you are fighting an unjust war against people and you therefore don’t have such a right. It would not be in self defense. By your logic, one would merely need to “declare war” on another people in order to be justified in killing them. No.

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