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From the Social Science Genetic Association Consortium:

The SSGAC is a cooperative enterprise among medical researchers and social scientists that coordinates genetic association studies for social science outcomes and provides a platform for interdisciplinary collaboration and cross-fertilization of ideas. The SSGAC also tries to promote the collection of harmonized and well-measured phenotypes.

… The SSGAC is currently conducting:

​Large-scale GWAS meta-analysis of educational attainment (EA4)

Within-family GWAS of multiple phenotypes

Ongoing updates of the Polygenic Index Repository

But now:

… I have read the principles articulated by the ASHG with respect to “Advancing Diverse Participation in Research with Special Consideration for Vulnerable Populations”. I agree to adhere to the principles articulated in the final two sections of this statement, “In the Conduct of Research with Vulnerable Populations, Researchers Must Address Concerns that Participation May Lead to Group Harm” and “The Benefits of Research Participation Are Profound, Yet the Potential Danger that Unethical Application of Genetics Might Stigmatize, Discriminate against, or Persecute Vulnerable Populations Persists.”

And then …

… I agree that violating any of the Terms and Conditions may result in consequences including, but not limited to, any or all of the following:

Contacting my institution’s institutional review board (IRB) and/or scientific integrity office
Contacting my supervisor, department chair, dean, or similar institutional authority
Contacting any relevant funder (governmental or private)
Blocking the IP address I used to download data and/or blocking the public IP address associated with my institution(s)
Contacting the editor(s) of relevant journal(s)
Publicly describing my violations, in venues that include but are not limited to social media and letters to the editor
Seeking arbitration of any dispute arising under these Terms and Conditions.

According to Web Archive, SSGAC added this “I will not” stuff to its FAQ sometime after March 22, 2021 and before June 3.

 
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  1. This is nothing but an extension of the 60 year old media gag orders that require to hide the race/religion/ethicity of criminals, in order to avoid “prejudice”, as elaborated in
    sincerity.net

    Of course, this is shockingly anti-science and dishonest. Basically it decides that certain research and research results are not allowed

    James Watson comes to the mind, who was severely punished for hinting at black intellectual “inferiority”

    #TrueSpeech about #HateFacts is not allowed.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @TruthRevolution.net

    Science is a set of questions which may not be answered.
    Religion is a set of answers which may not be questioned.

    #TalibanInFullEffect

    , @bomag
    @TruthRevolution.net


    ...the 60 year old media gag orders that require to hide the race/religion/ethicity of criminals
     
    Only a select few get the hiding treatment. The others are blared from the rooftops.
  2. Daniel Benjamin
    University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA)

    David Cesarini
    New York University

    Philipp Koellinger
    Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam

    Steering Committee

    Daniel Benjamin
    University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA)

    David Cesarini

    New York University​

    Philipp Koellinger
    Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam

    Patrick Turley

    University of Southern California (USC)

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  3. Whoever wrote these terms and conditions is one part Red Guard, one part Grand Inquisitor, and one part tattle-tale school girl.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @rebel yell

    A veritable man-bear-pig .

  4. 2021? What took them so long?

  5. This will be as efficacious as not programming AI software to specifically look for differences between skeletons of and expecting the breakdown of the data to be incapable of identifying race.

  6. Females become dominant around the sixth grade. They’re taller, bigger, more developed and socially more mature than boys.

    But this doesn’t mean we should allow them to take over the social sciences.

    Do you really want to be ruled by a cabal of sixth grade girls?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Trelane

    But this doesn’t mean we should allow them to take over the social sciences.

    The bad news: Too late for that.
    The good news: They don't know what to do about the internet and find the subject too dry anyways.

  7. Researchers Must Address Concerns that Participation May Lead to Group Harm

    “It’s called group harm, we do a little group harm …”

    • Agree: Trelane
  8. I do have to give them some credit that they frame the issue neutrally rather than specifically attacking white people.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Anon

    Yeah, they're definitely behind the times with that one.

    , @El Dato
    @Anon

    Non-white people don't care about the stinking database. Nor about train tracks for that matter.

    Janjaweed be like "We need no database. We ride. We see. We remove vulnerable population from premise."

  9. Can anyone tell me who the “tech exec” is? I expect someone here knows.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-durham-cracks-the-russia-case-fbi-michael-sussmann-clinton-campaign-11631917159

    [MORE]

    Durham Cracks the Russia Case
    The special counsel’s indictment tells the real story of 2016 collusion.
    Sept. 17, 2021 6:38 pm ET
    Former U.S. Attorney John Durham, center, outside federal court in New Haven, Conn. in 2006
    Photo: TNS/Getty Images

    John Durham on Thursday indicted a Clinton campaign lawyer from 2016 for lying to the FBI, but this is no ho-hum case of deception. The special counsel’s 27-page indictment is full of new, and damning, details that underscore how the Russia collusion tale was concocted and peddled by the Clinton campaign.

    Mr. Durham charged Michael Sussmann, an attorney at the Perkins Coie law firm that represented the Clinton campaign. Mr. Sussmann is accused of making false statements to then-FBI general counsel James Baker in a Sept. 19, 2016 meeting when he presented documents purporting to show secret internet communications between the Trump Organization and Russia-based Alfa bank.

    The indictment says Mr. Sussmann assured Mr. Baker he was not doing this work “‘for any client,’ which led the FBI General Counsel to understand that SUSSMANN was acting as a good citizen merely passing along information, not as a paid advocate or political operative.” This was false, says the indictment, which documents how Mr. Sussmann was working with other Democrats (including fellow Perkins Coie lawyer Marc Elias ) and billing his time to the Clinton campaign.

    Mr. Sussmann’s lie “deprived the FBI” of crucial information, says the indictment, and led the agency to initiate an investigation into the Trump-Alfa claim, which was quickly leaked to the media. Mr. Sussmann didn’t lie to the FBI to protect himself. He is accused of lying to the FBI to trigger an investigation into a rival campaign based on a false claim of Russia-Trump collusion. He has pleaded not guilty.

    The indictment adds new details about the sweeping nature of the Clinton campaign’s effort to falsely tag Donald Trump as in bed with the Russians. The document alleges this extended far beyond the oppo-research firm Fusion GPS and the fake “dossier” produced by Christopher Steele —though both played a role in the broader effort.

    The indictment says the Alfa bank allegations came via an unidentified tech executive (“Tech Executive-1”), who according to one of his emails expected to get the “top [cybersecurity] job” in a Clinton Administration. The executive owned internet companies that had access to vast amounts of “public and nonpublic” data. The exec was tipped to purported traffic between Alfa bank and a Trump email domain and alerted Mr. Sussmann.

    The executive ordered his employees to “search and analyze their holdings of public and non public internet data for derogatory information on Trump. He also enlisted researchers at an unidentified U.S. university. The goal of the searches, says the indictment, was to “support an ‘inference’ and ‘narrative’ regarding Trump that would please certain ‘VIPs.’”

    These searches came up with little or nothing. But the executive handed the innuendo to Mr. Sussmann, who wrote white papers he handed to the FBI and worked with Fusion GPS and Mr. Elias to feed it to a credulous press corps. Mr. Sussmann’s meeting with the FBI’s Mr. Baker gave the media a hook to write that law enforcement was investigating the Trump-Russia ties. The FBI opened its probe into Mr. Trump, which cascaded into the collusion political frenzy that damaged the Trump Presidency for more than two years.

    The narrow Sussmann indictment opens another the window on a far greater offense, which was the Clinton team and the media’s dirty trick against U.S. democracy. The indictment alleges that Mr. Elias kept Clinton campaign officials informed about the scam, including the “campaign manager, communications director, and foreign policy advisor.”

    Mr. Durham was facing a five-year statute of limitations on the false statement case, but the details in his indictment suggest that the charge may not be the end of this sordid story.

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @HammerJack

    "The executive owned internet companies that had access to vast amounts of “public and nonpublic” data."

    What does "owned" mean here?

    Does that mean owned 100%? Or could that tech executive own, say, 1% of a tech giant?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @J.Ross

    , @Len
    @HammerJack

    https://twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1438986929324896256

  10. @TruthRevolution.net
    This is nothing but an extension of the 60 year old media gag orders that require to hide the race/religion/ethicity of criminals, in order to avoid "prejudice", as elaborated in
    sincerity.net



    Of course, this is shockingly anti-science and dishonest. Basically it decides that certain research and research results are not allowed

    James Watson comes to the mind, who was severely punished for hinting at black intellectual "inferiority"

    #TrueSpeech about #HateFacts is not allowed.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @bomag

    Science is a set of questions which may not be answered.
    Religion is a set of answers which may not be questioned.

    #TalibanInFullEffect

  11. Contacting my supervisor, department chair, dean, or similar institutional authority

    Contacting any relevant funder (governmental or private)

    Blocking the IP address I used to download data and/or blocking the public IP address associated with my institution(s)

    Can we please just go ahead and shut down the internet?

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @HammerJack

    No, this is AOL-of-the-90s level stupidity and highly amusing.

    , @Hangnail Hans
    @HammerJack


    Can we please just go ahead and shut down the internet?
     
    All things in time, mon petit.
  12. Why is everyone so paranoid about racial superiority, a.k.a. “white supremacy”? You’d think this map would have quashed any such claims for good:

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    The marriage equality issue has arisen in the current political jostling for prime minister in Japan. Japan may follow Taiwan here.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Reg Cæsar

    They spelled "travesty" as "equality" on that map legend.

  13. I wasn’t aware of the “ASHG Denounces Attempts to Link Genetics and Racial Supremacy” from 2018. It is actually breathtaking anti-science, coming from the Human Genetics society:
    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(18)30363-X

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Anonymous

    Yes, it is really stupid.

    , @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    "Gene X is found in both population Y and population Z therefore race doesn't exist. Checkmate bigots!"

  14. Blocking the IP address I used to download data and/or blocking the public IP address associated with my institution(s)

    You could have a lot of fun with this.

  15. @HammerJack
    Can anyone tell me who the "tech exec" is? I expect someone here knows.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-durham-cracks-the-russia-case-fbi-michael-sussmann-clinton-campaign-11631917159




    Durham Cracks the Russia Case
    The special counsel’s indictment tells the real story of 2016 collusion.
    Sept. 17, 2021 6:38 pm ET
    Former U.S. Attorney John Durham, center, outside federal court in New Haven, Conn. in 2006
    Photo: TNS/Getty Images

    John Durham on Thursday indicted a Clinton campaign lawyer from 2016 for lying to the FBI, but this is no ho-hum case of deception. The special counsel’s 27-page indictment is full of new, and damning, details that underscore how the Russia collusion tale was concocted and peddled by the Clinton campaign.

    Mr. Durham charged Michael Sussmann, an attorney at the Perkins Coie law firm that represented the Clinton campaign. Mr. Sussmann is accused of making false statements to then-FBI general counsel James Baker in a Sept. 19, 2016 meeting when he presented documents purporting to show secret internet communications between the Trump Organization and Russia-based Alfa bank.

    The indictment says Mr. Sussmann assured Mr. Baker he was not doing this work “‘for any client,’ which led the FBI General Counsel to understand that SUSSMANN was acting as a good citizen merely passing along information, not as a paid advocate or political operative.” This was false, says the indictment, which documents how Mr. Sussmann was working with other Democrats (including fellow Perkins Coie lawyer Marc Elias ) and billing his time to the Clinton campaign.

    Mr. Sussmann’s lie “deprived the FBI” of crucial information, says the indictment, and led the agency to initiate an investigation into the Trump-Alfa claim, which was quickly leaked to the media. Mr. Sussmann didn’t lie to the FBI to protect himself. He is accused of lying to the FBI to trigger an investigation into a rival campaign based on a false claim of Russia-Trump collusion. He has pleaded not guilty.

    The indictment adds new details about the sweeping nature of the Clinton campaign’s effort to falsely tag Donald Trump as in bed with the Russians. The document alleges this extended far beyond the oppo-research firm Fusion GPS and the fake “dossier” produced by Christopher Steele —though both played a role in the broader effort.

    The indictment says the Alfa bank allegations came via an unidentified tech executive (“Tech Executive-1”), who according to one of his emails expected to get the “top [cybersecurity] job” in a Clinton Administration. The executive owned internet companies that had access to vast amounts of “public and nonpublic” data. The exec was tipped to purported traffic between Alfa bank and a Trump email domain and alerted Mr. Sussmann.

    The executive ordered his employees to “search and analyze their holdings of public and non public internet data for derogatory information on Trump. He also enlisted researchers at an unidentified U.S. university. The goal of the searches, says the indictment, was to “support an ‘inference’ and ‘narrative’ regarding Trump that would please certain ‘VIPs.’”

    These searches came up with little or nothing. But the executive handed the innuendo to Mr. Sussmann, who wrote white papers he handed to the FBI and worked with Fusion GPS and Mr. Elias to feed it to a credulous press corps. Mr. Sussmann’s meeting with the FBI’s Mr. Baker gave the media a hook to write that law enforcement was investigating the Trump-Russia ties. The FBI opened its probe into Mr. Trump, which cascaded into the collusion political frenzy that damaged the Trump Presidency for more than two years.

    The narrow Sussmann indictment opens another the window on a far greater offense, which was the Clinton team and the media’s dirty trick against U.S. democracy. The indictment alleges that Mr. Elias kept Clinton campaign officials informed about the scam, including the “campaign manager, communications director, and foreign policy advisor.”

    Mr. Durham was facing a five-year statute of limitations on the false statement case, but the details in his indictment suggest that the charge may not be the end of this sordid story.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Len

    “The executive owned internet companies that had access to vast amounts of “public and nonpublic” data.”

    What does “owned” mean here?

    Does that mean owned 100%? Or could that tech executive own, say, 1% of a tech giant?

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Steve Sailer

    Somehow I have a feeling that it'll take more than five years for the truth about the 2020 election to come out. My best guess? Until the twelfth of never, and that's a long, long time.

    , @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    In the story it appears to hang everything on the guy telling his employees to use his collection tools to effect something like data. Doesn't sound like the guy is claiming to own Facebook because of a share. If he was talked about as a likely cabinet appointee, he was probably a real owner and not an arguable one.

  16. @Anon
    I do have to give them some credit that they frame the issue neutrally rather than specifically attacking white people.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @El Dato

    Yeah, they’re definitely behind the times with that one.

  17. @Steve Sailer
    @HammerJack

    "The executive owned internet companies that had access to vast amounts of “public and nonpublic” data."

    What does "owned" mean here?

    Does that mean owned 100%? Or could that tech executive own, say, 1% of a tech giant?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @J.Ross

    Somehow I have a feeling that it’ll take more than five years for the truth about the 2020 election to come out. My best guess? Until the twelfth of never, and that’s a long, long time.

  18. Somewhat off topic, but are there examples of scientists using these statistical techniques to then either engineer or select embryos in lab animals to change the trait they claim these genes are influencing? For instance growing super smart mice by analyzing a bunch of embryos and selecting for the highest polygenic smartness score.

    • Replies: @res
    @Guy De Champlagne

    The first human baby born from a polygenically screened embryo happened in 2020.
    https://infoproc.blogspot.com/2021/04/first-baby-born-from-polygenically.html
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-17/picking-embryos-with-best-health-odds-sparks-new-dna-debate

    Replies: @Guy De Champlagne

  19. Anon[323] • Disclaimer says:

    There are only so many companies that offer free email services, which I think is what is meant here. That would include Google gmail. There is also Microsoft Outlook, Yahoo Mail, AOL Mail, and … anything else from a major company? Facebook and Apple don’t currently offer email, do they? Netflix certainly doesn’t. Large ISPs also provide email accounts.

  20. @Reg Cæsar
    Why is everyone so paranoid about racial superiority, a.k.a. "white supremacy"? You'd think this map would have quashed any such claims for good:



    https://hrc-prod-requests.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/_1200x600_crop_center-center_none/Global_MarriageEquality_WebsiteImages_122120_1200x630.png?mtime=20201222095415&focal=none&tmtime=20210712233014

    Replies: @Anon, @YetAnotherAnon

    The marriage equality issue has arisen in the current political jostling for prime minister in Japan. Japan may follow Taiwan here.

  21. Interesting how much more open and honest–and scientific–social science was back when those evil, oppressive, racist (and empiricist) WASPs were in charge–and out and about observing humans.

    Minoritarianism is just a toxic brew that poisons everything, it touches.

    The minoritarians may well succeed in wrecking the ability of scientists in the West to use genetics to shed any light on the human condition. It just cedes the field to the Chinese, who will roll on. Just another piece of destruction of the West–and handing leadership to the Chinese–that minoritarianism has wrought.

    • Agree: res
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @AnotherDad

    What if the minority in question are Whites in South Africa? Or the old Aryans in ancient India?

    Then you want that minority in control, don't you?

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  22. For financial support, the SSGAC thanks the U.S. National Science Foundation, the U.S. National Institutes of Health (National Institute on Aging, and the Office for Behavioral and Social Science Research) ..

    Too much government. Political science.

  23. @Trelane
    Females become dominant around the sixth grade. They're taller, bigger, more developed and socially more mature than boys.

    But this doesn't mean we should allow them to take over the social sciences.

    Do you really want to be ruled by a cabal of sixth grade girls?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    But this doesn’t mean we should allow them to take over the social sciences.

    The bad news: Too late for that.
    The good news: They don’t know what to do about the internet and find the subject too dry anyways.

    • Agree: El Dato
  24. The left simply can’t collect data on race and genetics. No matter the intent there is too much risk of *cough* unwanted correlations.

    They are hoping that if you made it through a social science undergrad degree then you must buy into the system or more likely realized it is based on lies but fully support the cause. The rogue scientist that asks questions absolutely terrifies them. So I guess they created this racial nda as a last resort.

    The social sciences use a filtering system to get rid of “sticklers” (their inside term for White men that ask questions) before they cause any real problems. I used to have a link to some insider doc on how Sociology professors share tips on how to get rid of those pesky rational White men.

  25. @Anonymous
    I wasn't aware of the "ASHG Denounces Attempts to Link Genetics and Racial Supremacy" from 2018. It is actually breathtaking anti-science, coming from the Human Genetics society:
    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(18)30363-X

    Replies: @ben tillman, @AndrewR

    Yes, it is really stupid.

  26. @HammerJack
    Can anyone tell me who the "tech exec" is? I expect someone here knows.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-durham-cracks-the-russia-case-fbi-michael-sussmann-clinton-campaign-11631917159




    Durham Cracks the Russia Case
    The special counsel’s indictment tells the real story of 2016 collusion.
    Sept. 17, 2021 6:38 pm ET
    Former U.S. Attorney John Durham, center, outside federal court in New Haven, Conn. in 2006
    Photo: TNS/Getty Images

    John Durham on Thursday indicted a Clinton campaign lawyer from 2016 for lying to the FBI, but this is no ho-hum case of deception. The special counsel’s 27-page indictment is full of new, and damning, details that underscore how the Russia collusion tale was concocted and peddled by the Clinton campaign.

    Mr. Durham charged Michael Sussmann, an attorney at the Perkins Coie law firm that represented the Clinton campaign. Mr. Sussmann is accused of making false statements to then-FBI general counsel James Baker in a Sept. 19, 2016 meeting when he presented documents purporting to show secret internet communications between the Trump Organization and Russia-based Alfa bank.

    The indictment says Mr. Sussmann assured Mr. Baker he was not doing this work “‘for any client,’ which led the FBI General Counsel to understand that SUSSMANN was acting as a good citizen merely passing along information, not as a paid advocate or political operative.” This was false, says the indictment, which documents how Mr. Sussmann was working with other Democrats (including fellow Perkins Coie lawyer Marc Elias ) and billing his time to the Clinton campaign.

    Mr. Sussmann’s lie “deprived the FBI” of crucial information, says the indictment, and led the agency to initiate an investigation into the Trump-Alfa claim, which was quickly leaked to the media. Mr. Sussmann didn’t lie to the FBI to protect himself. He is accused of lying to the FBI to trigger an investigation into a rival campaign based on a false claim of Russia-Trump collusion. He has pleaded not guilty.

    The indictment adds new details about the sweeping nature of the Clinton campaign’s effort to falsely tag Donald Trump as in bed with the Russians. The document alleges this extended far beyond the oppo-research firm Fusion GPS and the fake “dossier” produced by Christopher Steele —though both played a role in the broader effort.

    The indictment says the Alfa bank allegations came via an unidentified tech executive (“Tech Executive-1”), who according to one of his emails expected to get the “top [cybersecurity] job” in a Clinton Administration. The executive owned internet companies that had access to vast amounts of “public and nonpublic” data. The exec was tipped to purported traffic between Alfa bank and a Trump email domain and alerted Mr. Sussmann.

    The executive ordered his employees to “search and analyze their holdings of public and non public internet data for derogatory information on Trump. He also enlisted researchers at an unidentified U.S. university. The goal of the searches, says the indictment, was to “support an ‘inference’ and ‘narrative’ regarding Trump that would please certain ‘VIPs.’”

    These searches came up with little or nothing. But the executive handed the innuendo to Mr. Sussmann, who wrote white papers he handed to the FBI and worked with Fusion GPS and Mr. Elias to feed it to a credulous press corps. Mr. Sussmann’s meeting with the FBI’s Mr. Baker gave the media a hook to write that law enforcement was investigating the Trump-Russia ties. The FBI opened its probe into Mr. Trump, which cascaded into the collusion political frenzy that damaged the Trump Presidency for more than two years.

    The narrow Sussmann indictment opens another the window on a far greater offense, which was the Clinton team and the media’s dirty trick against U.S. democracy. The indictment alleges that Mr. Elias kept Clinton campaign officials informed about the scam, including the “campaign manager, communications director, and foreign policy advisor.”

    Mr. Durham was facing a five-year statute of limitations on the false statement case, but the details in his indictment suggest that the charge may not be the end of this sordid story.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Len

  27. Progs have map/territory difficulties with “race science.” You know how if you change something on a map, like erase a mountain range, that nothing happens to the real mountain range. It’s still there, it’s just that people using your map get stuck in mountain snowstorms and die.

    The progs do not understand that. They think that if they pretend blacks are as smart and civilized as whites and cancel you for saying differently, then black people will be just as smart and civilized. They don’t realize that their edifice of lies changes neither blacks nor whites. Except for naive whites who get stuck in mountain snowstorms and die.

    [MORE]

    It’s a sad situation in several ways. Firstly, the more they lie and hide information, the more respect they lose from normies. Cons have already lost respect for them, thinking progs are either delusional or evil in racial matters. Lying about race is like trying to buy a stock you think is a good buy. The market moves against you, ie the price goes up. The racial information market works the same way. They lie, and the general public becomes ever less credulous. They stop believing you on other things. I’m sure more cons would move to the anthropogenic climate change side if libprogs managed to accurately analyze race, intelligence, crime, and behavior.

    Secondly, by hiding information and refusing to conduct analysis, then once someone realizes emperor, clothes, you know that thing, then they will guess at the magnitude of the difference. I would have guessed that the racial murder rate disparity was at least ten to one, given how shooty blacks are. I would not have included their poor marksmanship in my rough calculation. I do wonder what the racial disparity in (murder + attempted murder + shot bystander) would turn out to be. I’m guessing something like twenty to one? Steve, can you calculate that number from the data you have handy?

    Thirdly, when people do not know the truth, they treat blacks like whites, which is upsetting to both parties. They don’t know that adults are just pretending. For example, when I was a kid/early teen, and black kids told me what they thought about, well, whatever, I would tell them they were stupid. Then I read The Bell Curve, and realized that they really were less intelligent. I never told a black person what they thought was stupid ever again. It was like telling my paternal grandmother, whose mind was very much gone, that her husband was dead. It upset her every time. He told her every time. Why? Why not say, “he’ll be here when he can” or “he’s running late, he’ll be here in about 30 minutes”? She would not remember that in half an hour. He was needlessly upsetting her.

    The parallel with blacks is obvious. Except, they are not old women in nursing homes. Honest feedback would help a great many blacks, but it usually boils down to, “you are not tall enough for this ride, and should consider a different job,” instead, we give AA to eighteen-year-olds who think more highly of themselves than white teenagers. Or we give them AA even earlier, in scholarships to private day or boarding schools and entry into gifted programs, as most tv talking head blacks received, making them think they were just as smart as white scholarship students. Whites at their IQ level would not even get to take the admissions test. Then they are either in over their heads for life, for blacks who are like -2/3σ or 1/3σ, Steve prolly knows, but never to be employed in their field for blacks who are a full sd below their potential colleagues. How does that help? If anything it hurts blacks by prog standards, as now whites throughout the SES spectrum get to see blacks’ flaws up close.

    Nthly, because pretend equality does not equalize, we either have to have lots of blacks in prison; confine a large chunk to totally segregated living spaces, and we have decided to put them in fantastic locations in our most important cities, or integrate large numbers and put up with crime and asocial behavior. We do all three! But we cannot admit to any of this. So we have defund the police and empty the prisons activists. They did not win this time, but it’s a ratchet. If they get a friendly in the office and he releases a million felons, is the next sane governor or prez going to lock them all up again? No! They get to commit spirometer sprees and impregnate females until caught for something.

    Because we cannot admit that black IQ is lower on average, very few people get educated well. By well I mean appropriately for their talents. Remedial classes would be mostly black. And they would act like blacks. White kids would learn nothing and be miserable. Worse, less intelligent whites affect black behavior as protective coloration. None of the kids learn how to navigate society in a way that matches their long-term interests. Every middle range classroom has a couple of blacks who should be in the dumb class but get quota’d in. They make learning very hard for everyone else. They also model bad behavior. They cannot be punished in any meaningful sense with the tools teachers have available. The same applies to the dumb class. The blacks in the gifted class occupy seats that could be filled by more deserving Asians or even whites, but at least are smart enough not to run full speed around the desks, yelling Proto-rap and smacking each one, as was the habit of Darius, a black boy in my 2nd-grade class, before I got moved to a smarter class.

    But if we could face our differences head-on, are gas chambers the inevitable result? For most of history, ethnic groups have recognized their differences and most have lived in different places. In polyethnic societies, they kept to themselves, sometimes living under very different laws, as in the Ottoman Empire. Beyond the taxes the government took, I don’t think there was much transfer of wealth. But the Ottoman Empire was brittle. But is our Empire any less brittle? The founding population is being used as a non-renewable resource. Something must change so that babies are born to intelligent parents, and it has to change soon. The government policy is to try to mix populations and see what the result will be. No effort to assimilate them. Not to mention, do we want people,e assimilating into the prog culture? Indians do so very well. That should give us pause.

    I think freedom of association, voluntary segregation for those who want it, of all races. This would not be segregation as the South had it. That was white supremacist. Blacks would get to have their areas free of whites, even cops, firemen, and EMTs. Blacks who wanted to live in integrated areas with whites (and others) who wanted to live in a Coca-Cola diversity commercial could do that. But they’d be choosing to live with other races, and accepting their faults, just as integrated whites would accept black foibles. Whites who wanted to live with other whites who wanted to live with whites too would be free to do so. They would be much freer than integrated whites. The integrating whites gain nothing, but the only thing they lose is punishing racially introverted whites with non-whites, which is not what they wanted. Right? I mean, that must be right. Diversity was not meant as a punishment.

    It seems to me that the other alternative is what we have today. I don’t think the current system can survive the switch to a heavily black and Hispanic workforce, along with the profusion of non-white Caucasoids, who average about 90 IQ, though their diasporas might be smarter. There are a ton of jobs that the government and corporations are expecting to be filled by intelligent people. But their mothers (who were very smart) were either self-actualizing or caught in an economic vice trying to put fewer kids through the course of honors to land highly placed in the meritocracy. so a lot of those future workers were not born. For a while, those jobs will be filled by people, not smart enough to do the work. Then the jobs will disappear, either moved to Asia or just gone. No one tries to do x because doing x has failed too many times.

    If the market does not keep up with inflation, what happens? The middle class+ will discover that they are not rich. They cannot all sell their stock at once for the marginal price of the stock today. Not without fiscal shenanigans from the fed. Their happiness is the foundation of the consent of the governed this socially liberal, fiscally monstrous current order rests upon. It is a shallow foundation. The Chinese have the concept of a ruler having the Mandate of Heaven. When things go well, you know the mandate is in place, and there is peace. When things go badly, you know the mandate is gone, and their is regime change or disintegration. In America, the markets are the mandate. The sign of the gods’ approval of the government.

    Maybe a smart drug will save us?

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Thanks: El Dato, J.Ross
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Rob


    Maybe a smart drug will save us?
     
    Yes, this is the hope of the left. They're praying for science to save them from the dilemma.

    You see the same thinking with regard to energy generation. They don't want to burn coal or gas or go nuclear, but realize that more energy is needed. They're fervently hoping that any day now a scientific breakthrough will make solar/wind/wave power super-efficient and make everything OK.

    To be fair, these hopes aren't completely unrealistic. We've seen science do miracles in the past. For example, the 'green revolution' of the 1950s and 60s rendered the Malthusian concerns of the past irrelevant. The world is never going to run out of food.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Pepe the Frog, @John Johnson

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Rob

    "They think that if they pretend blacks are as smart and civilized as whites and cancel you for saying differently, then black people will be just as smart and civilized. They don’t realize that their edifice of lies changes neither blacks nor whites. "

    I disagree. At the elite end, they know what they are doing - you only have to see where they choose to live and who their friends are, they know it's all lies.

    At the lower end - well meaning middle class whites in areas where they see more black people on TV than in the street, young people with little life experience or those not thinking about raising kids - those are the true believers. It's interesting how most (not all - see Hannah Graham for details) middle class student girls in big cities know simultaneously that racism is evil - the evil - and that the black areas of town are best avoided alone or after dark.


    CRIMESTOP means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. CRIMESTOP, in short, means protective stupidity.
     
    At the bottom end you either mix in or avoid, but either way you have far fewer illusions, because the truth is with you every day.
    , @Pepe the Frog
    @Rob


    I think freedom of association, voluntary segregation for those who want it, of all races. This would not be segregation as the South had it.
     
    It can't be merely voluntary. What happens when some group of high-spirited Diverse Urban Yoots, who dindu nuffins, ignores that "Whites Only" sign and say "We gots a right to associate wif you?" There have to be rules and enforceable laws.

    The Nine Kings in Black Robes are very fond of consulting the entrails, I mean, the emanations and penumbras, and confabulating new rights into existence out of whole cloth. I think a far stronger argument can be made for a Constitutional right to freedom of association being implicit in the First, Third, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments than for any of the howlers they've come up with in the past eighty years. Read up on Skinner vs. Oklahoma for the Ur-example.

    Of course, we are living in a post-law, post-Constitution era. The concepts only exist when they are useful rhetorical cudgels with which Leftists beat anyone they suspect of being one millimeter to the right of Pol Pot. The rest of the time, it's a "living document." The rest of the time, it's "one of many narratives" and the laws of the land are "an unjust ideology of White supremacy" and anyway "we have to go beyond the law" and "this is an emergency" and "do it for the children."

    In the new era we need to ask Lenin's old question, "Kto, kogo?" "Who, whom?" Who is to have the power and against whom is that power to be used? The Left threw away the rulebook and made plain their intent to impose their will regardless of laws or rules generations ago.

    The Chinese have the concept of a ruler having the Mandate of Heaven.
     
    "An age of glory passed like a lightning flash.
    The Mandate of Heaven passed from you, but you didn't see.
    Times change and power passes.
    It is the pity of the world."

    Li Ch'ing Chao, Song Dynasty poet

    Replies: @Rob, @Rob

    , @Anonymous
    @Rob

    Excellent post. The map analogy is very apt.


    I think freedom of association, voluntary segregation for those who want it, of all races. This would not be segregation as the South had it. That was white supremacist. Blacks would get to have their areas free of whites, even cops, firemen, and EMTs. Blacks who wanted to live in integrated areas with whites (and others) who wanted to live in a Coca-Cola diversity commercial could do that.
     
    Sadly, I am afraid that, by and large, you are describing an Apartheid system in SA. There, the misery of blacks was still blamed on whites. I don't think that, even if somehow instituted here, it will be stable. No, the only real solution is a full legal separation into two states. Then everyone can decide for themselves whether to live in Whitopia or Blacktopia.

    I don’t think the current system can survive the switch to a heavily black and Hispanic workforce, along with the profusion of non-white Caucasoids, who average about 90 IQ, though their diasporas might be smarter.
     
    No, of course it won't survive. But a seriously less "democratic" and less prosperous society with a cognitive 10% elite with IQ > 105 might do OK for a long time. See India.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @John Johnson
    @Rob

    Because we cannot admit that black IQ is lower on average, very few people get educated well. By well I mean appropriately for their talents. Remedial classes would be mostly black. And they would act like blacks. White kids would learn nothing and be miserable.

    There is a corollary on the other end where otherwise average intellectuals become top level professors, journalists and researchers by embracing the lies of the establishment. Whether or not they truly believe (most do not) doesn't really matter because the outcome is practically the same. So the system favors the deceitful over the intellectually principled.

    What you end up with is domination by an alliance of mediocre deceivers. The colleges are dominated by liberal White women that discourage rational thinking and promote feelings-based conclusions. We don't know how many Whites signed up for a quarter of college and then dropped out after being hounded by a leftist in some Soc class. I saw White students that would get picked on by a prof the entire quarter for being too rational or asking too many questions. Students that mindlessly repeat what they are told are rewarded.

    , @res
    @Rob

    I mostly agree (and thanks for putting that together!), but Asians are a significant omission from your analysis.

    Replies: @Rob

  28. @Anonymous
    I wasn't aware of the "ASHG Denounces Attempts to Link Genetics and Racial Supremacy" from 2018. It is actually breathtaking anti-science, coming from the Human Genetics society:
    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(18)30363-X

    Replies: @ben tillman, @AndrewR

    “Gene X is found in both population Y and population Z therefore race doesn’t exist. Checkmate bigots!”

  29. @Anon
    I do have to give them some credit that they frame the issue neutrally rather than specifically attacking white people.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @El Dato

    Non-white people don’t care about the stinking database. Nor about train tracks for that matter.

    Janjaweed be like “We need no database. We ride. We see. We remove vulnerable population from premise.”

  30. They finally figured out how to implement the infamous ‘codes of conduct’ from conventions and open source software into the hard sciences. This won’t end well. They’ve opened a door to something here.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Altai

    It didn’t begin so hot either.

    We’re somewhere in the middle.

  31. @HammerJack

    Contacting my supervisor, department chair, dean, or similar institutional authority

    Contacting any relevant funder (governmental or private)

    Blocking the IP address I used to download data and/or blocking the public IP address associated with my institution(s)
     
    Can we please just go ahead and shut down the internet?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Hangnail Hans

    No, this is AOL-of-the-90s level stupidity and highly amusing.

  32. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    “In particular, I will not use these data to make comparisons across ancestral groups.”
    Umm… that’s literally what geneticists do, right?

    I do personally happen to find genetics somewhat overrated by some fetishists (culture and individual initiative… partially shaped by culture… but not entirely… trump biology… I think…), but hoist’em by their own pole.

  33. SSGAC added this “I will not” stuff to its FAQ sometimeafter March 22, 2021 and before June 3.

    sometime after April 23, 2021 . . .

    https://archive.is/yyj2R

    • Replies: @res
    @for-the-record

    Thanks. I wonder if the timing had anything to do with publishing their Polygenic Index (PGI) Repository?
    https://www.thessgac.org/pgi-repository

    That happened in the May-June time frame. Note the FAQ link in the June 17th announcement.

    https://twitter.com/thessgac/status/1405553983779921927

    PGI Repository link: https://www.thessgac.org/pgi-repository

    BTW, Emil offered his take on this at
    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2021/09/thou-shallt-not-look-at-the-polygenic-scores/

  34. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob
    Progs have map/territory difficulties with “race science.” You know how if you change something on a map, like erase a mountain range, that nothing happens to the real mountain range. It’s still there, it’s just that people using your map get stuck in mountain snowstorms and die.

    The progs do not understand that. They think that if they pretend blacks are as smart and civilized as whites and cancel you for saying differently, then black people will be just as smart and civilized. They don’t realize that their edifice of lies changes neither blacks nor whites. Except for naive whites who get stuck in mountain snowstorms and die.

    It’s a sad situation in several ways. Firstly, the more they lie and hide information, the more respect they lose from normies. Cons have already lost respect for them, thinking progs are either delusional or evil in racial matters. Lying about race is like trying to buy a stock you think is a good buy. The market moves against you, ie the price goes up. The racial information market works the same way. They lie, and the general public becomes ever less credulous. They stop believing you on other things. I’m sure more cons would move to the anthropogenic climate change side if libprogs managed to accurately analyze race, intelligence, crime, and behavior.

    Secondly, by hiding information and refusing to conduct analysis, then once someone realizes emperor, clothes, you know that thing, then they will guess at the magnitude of the difference. I would have guessed that the racial murder rate disparity was at least ten to one, given how shooty blacks are. I would not have included their poor marksmanship in my rough calculation. I do wonder what the racial disparity in (murder + attempted murder + shot bystander) would turn out to be. I’m guessing something like twenty to one? Steve, can you calculate that number from the data you have handy?

    Thirdly, when people do not know the truth, they treat blacks like whites, which is upsetting to both parties. They don’t know that adults are just pretending. For example, when I was a kid/early teen, and black kids told me what they thought about, well, whatever, I would tell them they were stupid. Then I read The Bell Curve, and realized that they really were less intelligent. I never told a black person what they thought was stupid ever again. It was like telling my paternal grandmother, whose mind was very much gone, that her husband was dead. It upset her every time. He told her every time. Why? Why not say, “he’ll be here when he can” or “he’s running late, he’ll be here in about 30 minutes”? She would not remember that in half an hour. He was needlessly upsetting her.

    The parallel with blacks is obvious. Except, they are not old women in nursing homes. Honest feedback would help a great many blacks, but it usually boils down to, “you are not tall enough for this ride, and should consider a different job,” instead, we give AA to eighteen-year-olds who think more highly of themselves than white teenagers. Or we give them AA even earlier, in scholarships to private day or boarding schools and entry into gifted programs, as most tv talking head blacks received, making them think they were just as smart as white scholarship students. Whites at their IQ level would not even get to take the admissions test. Then they are either in over their heads for life, for blacks who are like -2/3σ or 1/3σ, Steve prolly knows, but never to be employed in their field for blacks who are a full sd below their potential colleagues. How does that help? If anything it hurts blacks by prog standards, as now whites throughout the SES spectrum get to see blacks’ flaws up close.

    Nthly, because pretend equality does not equalize, we either have to have lots of blacks in prison; confine a large chunk to totally segregated living spaces, and we have decided to put them in fantastic locations in our most important cities, or integrate large numbers and put up with crime and asocial behavior. We do all three! But we cannot admit to any of this. So we have defund the police and empty the prisons activists. They did not win this time, but it’s a ratchet. If they get a friendly in the office and he releases a million felons, is the next sane governor or prez going to lock them all up again? No! They get to commit spirometer sprees and impregnate females until caught for something.

    Because we cannot admit that black IQ is lower on average, very few people get educated well. By well I mean appropriately for their talents. Remedial classes would be mostly black. And they would act like blacks. White kids would learn nothing and be miserable. Worse, less intelligent whites affect black behavior as protective coloration. None of the kids learn how to navigate society in a way that matches their long-term interests. Every middle range classroom has a couple of blacks who should be in the dumb class but get quota’d in. They make learning very hard for everyone else. They also model bad behavior. They cannot be punished in any meaningful sense with the tools teachers have available. The same applies to the dumb class. The blacks in the gifted class occupy seats that could be filled by more deserving Asians or even whites, but at least are smart enough not to run full speed around the desks, yelling Proto-rap and smacking each one, as was the habit of Darius, a black boy in my 2nd-grade class, before I got moved to a smarter class.

    But if we could face our differences head-on, are gas chambers the inevitable result? For most of history, ethnic groups have recognized their differences and most have lived in different places. In polyethnic societies, they kept to themselves, sometimes living under very different laws, as in the Ottoman Empire. Beyond the taxes the government took, I don’t think there was much transfer of wealth. But the Ottoman Empire was brittle. But is our Empire any less brittle? The founding population is being used as a non-renewable resource. Something must change so that babies are born to intelligent parents, and it has to change soon. The government policy is to try to mix populations and see what the result will be. No effort to assimilate them. Not to mention, do we want people,e assimilating into the prog culture? Indians do so very well. That should give us pause.

    I think freedom of association, voluntary segregation for those who want it, of all races. This would not be segregation as the South had it. That was white supremacist. Blacks would get to have their areas free of whites, even cops, firemen, and EMTs. Blacks who wanted to live in integrated areas with whites (and others) who wanted to live in a Coca-Cola diversity commercial could do that. But they’d be choosing to live with other races, and accepting their faults, just as integrated whites would accept black foibles. Whites who wanted to live with other whites who wanted to live with whites too would be free to do so. They would be much freer than integrated whites. The integrating whites gain nothing, but the only thing they lose is punishing racially introverted whites with non-whites, which is not what they wanted. Right? I mean, that must be right. Diversity was not meant as a punishment.

    It seems to me that the other alternative is what we have today. I don’t think the current system can survive the switch to a heavily black and Hispanic workforce, along with the profusion of non-white Caucasoids, who average about 90 IQ, though their diasporas might be smarter. There are a ton of jobs that the government and corporations are expecting to be filled by intelligent people. But their mothers (who were very smart) were either self-actualizing or caught in an economic vice trying to put fewer kids through the course of honors to land highly placed in the meritocracy. so a lot of those future workers were not born. For a while, those jobs will be filled by people, not smart enough to do the work. Then the jobs will disappear, either moved to Asia or just gone. No one tries to do x because doing x has failed too many times.

    If the market does not keep up with inflation, what happens? The middle class+ will discover that they are not rich. They cannot all sell their stock at once for the marginal price of the stock today. Not without fiscal shenanigans from the fed. Their happiness is the foundation of the consent of the governed this socially liberal, fiscally monstrous current order rests upon. It is a shallow foundation. The Chinese have the concept of a ruler having the Mandate of Heaven. When things go well, you know the mandate is in place, and there is peace. When things go badly, you know the mandate is gone, and their is regime change or disintegration. In America, the markets are the mandate. The sign of the gods’ approval of the government.

    Maybe a smart drug will save us?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @Pepe the Frog, @Anonymous, @John Johnson, @res

    Maybe a smart drug will save us?

    Yes, this is the hope of the left. They’re praying for science to save them from the dilemma.

    You see the same thinking with regard to energy generation. They don’t want to burn coal or gas or go nuclear, but realize that more energy is needed. They’re fervently hoping that any day now a scientific breakthrough will make solar/wind/wave power super-efficient and make everything OK.

    To be fair, these hopes aren’t completely unrealistic. We’ve seen science do miracles in the past. For example, the ‘green revolution’ of the 1950s and 60s rendered the Malthusian concerns of the past irrelevant. The world is never going to run out of food.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anonymous


    The world is never going to run out of food.
     
    LOL.
    , @Pepe the Frog
    @Anonymous

    You give the most important ones too much moral and insufficient intellectual credit. I think that the ones at the top of the Leftist food chain, the people funding and directing all of it, who hold the checkbooks and bark out the orders, the Bloombergs and Soroses, they have done the math.

    They know that there's a reason no solar panel factory has ever been built with solar panels on its roof to power it--because photoelectric cells are necessarily, unavoidably, by the iron laws of physics and mathematics, irrelevant toys that produce so little power that they require 30+ years of 12 hour/day exposure to tropical sunlight under cloudless tropical skies just to pay back the energy from oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear power that went into manufacturing them and cease to be a net loss. Windmill factories don't have windmills on top either for all the same reasons, and the ones at the top levels understand this. They know that there's no way the US power grid, or any other developed nation's power grid, could handle the load of all of the population and all of the commercial entities switching from internal combustion engines to electric vehicles, not without adding two zeroes onto its capacity, which isn't going to happen. They know. They're evil and insane, but they aren't stupid. It isn't about truth to them, or justice, or what is best for society, or how men should live. It's about the Will to Power. They have already decided that they are willing to burn civilization down in order to impose their will. Everyone and everything else is a minor detail, to them. They're nihilists.



    The true-believers, the envirowacko nihilists who demand that the Earth's population be reduced immediately by 95% but mysteriously decline to set the example by starting with themselves, the Antifa crazies, the sexual deviants, the grievance artists, the race hustlers, they're disposable, interchangeable, fungible, and replaceable. They doan do maffs, sheeeeeiiiiit. They believe uncritically and from time to time, at statistically predictable intervals, one of them re-reads "Soul on Ice" or re-watches "Roots" or a podcast from Vaush or The Young Turks, looks around, does a quick mental risk/reward calculation, picks up a gun, and shoots up a charity softball match. They're just brainwashed spear-carriers. They're rabble propped up by bankster money and emboldened by a sympathetic criminal justice system that sends the FBI to arrest teenagers for downloading a song, but gives Antifa terrorists a slap on the wrist when they throw molotov cocktails into federal courtrooms. If they survive capture by the police, the next time a Democrat is in the White House, they've got probation or pardons coming, then seven-figure book deals and cushy tenured positions in the English or History department at some Ivy League school.

    They've turned cognitive dissonance into a moral imperative among their group, yes, and they can say "some babies are born with the wrong gender brain" on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, and "gender is a social construct" on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays, and no longer have sufficient self-awareness, if they ever did, to grasp the contradiction. "Four legs good! Two legs bad!" They're idiot puppets dancing on someone else's strings. The puppetmasters are more important, in all senses of the word, than the puppets.


    The world is never going to run out of food.
     
    Whitey's Protestant work ethic and forbearance are the only things keeping it all tottering along. White people appear to have given up on reproduction and the future, at least when viewed in the aggregate. Long before the last honkeys are hunted through the burning streets by a brown tide of stunted IQ-55 goblins, the vast and intricate machine that is the economy will have halted with an enormous grinding noise and melted down into a puddle. The trillions of dollars extorted at the point of a bayonet from productive White taxpayers to be dumped endlessly down the bottomless gullets of the Third World will vanish when Whitey and White nations vanish, very likely long before.

    When that happens, the world is indeed going to run out of food. Sub-Saharan Africa has absorbed five trillion dollars of American taxpayer money just since 1960, fifty Marshall Plans worth, net result a twelvefold increase in population, all with their hands out saying "gibs us mo gibsmedats, B'wana" and demanding that we allow their surplus population to immigrate and replace us here. If Indian peasants could grow as much wheat per acre per year as Roman farmers did two thousand years ago without the benefit of three growing seasons every year and the modern era's agricultural science, perhaps India wouldn't be a basket case begging for aid from the UN and the US decade after decade after decade. The CCP has claimed for generations in the shrillest of tones that China is self-sufficient in food, even as their purchases of grain on the global markets set new records every year.

    What happens when nations with nuclear arsenals, their access to Uncle Sugar's magical infinite money faucet and infinite dirt-cheap subsidized wheat exports, experience famine unprecedented since the Middle Ages? Interesting times are coming, and we are likely to live to see them.
    , @John Johnson
    @Anonymous


    Maybe a smart drug will save us?
     
    Yes, this is the hope of the left. They’re praying for science to save them from the dilemma.

    Yea this scenario has been discussed here many times.

    Eventually the left will switch and say that we need to use genetic engineering or a pill to fix inequality. I have even had a liberal admit in a debate that genetic engineering could potentially fix what doesn't actually exist......??? There was also a liberal not long ago that argued we need to use science to make everyone a genius. That would actually be a very bad idea and I shudder at the fact that this was some New Yorker or Atlantic level writer.

    But this will also mean admitting that they have been lying since WW2 and have spent around a trillion on egalitarian fiction.

    I don't think it will work. Whites will be pissed and I don't see Blacks being excited to have these patronizing White egalitarians telling them to take Shot X to fix racism.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  35. @HammerJack

    Contacting my supervisor, department chair, dean, or similar institutional authority

    Contacting any relevant funder (governmental or private)

    Blocking the IP address I used to download data and/or blocking the public IP address associated with my institution(s)
     
    Can we please just go ahead and shut down the internet?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Hangnail Hans

    Can we please just go ahead and shut down the internet?

    All things in time, mon petit.

  36. @Reg Cæsar
    Why is everyone so paranoid about racial superiority, a.k.a. "white supremacy"? You'd think this map would have quashed any such claims for good:



    https://hrc-prod-requests.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/_1200x600_crop_center-center_none/Global_MarriageEquality_WebsiteImages_122120_1200x630.png?mtime=20201222095415&focal=none&tmtime=20210712233014

    Replies: @Anon, @YetAnotherAnon

    They spelled “travesty” as “equality” on that map legend.

  37. @Rob
    Progs have map/territory difficulties with “race science.” You know how if you change something on a map, like erase a mountain range, that nothing happens to the real mountain range. It’s still there, it’s just that people using your map get stuck in mountain snowstorms and die.

    The progs do not understand that. They think that if they pretend blacks are as smart and civilized as whites and cancel you for saying differently, then black people will be just as smart and civilized. They don’t realize that their edifice of lies changes neither blacks nor whites. Except for naive whites who get stuck in mountain snowstorms and die.

    It’s a sad situation in several ways. Firstly, the more they lie and hide information, the more respect they lose from normies. Cons have already lost respect for them, thinking progs are either delusional or evil in racial matters. Lying about race is like trying to buy a stock you think is a good buy. The market moves against you, ie the price goes up. The racial information market works the same way. They lie, and the general public becomes ever less credulous. They stop believing you on other things. I’m sure more cons would move to the anthropogenic climate change side if libprogs managed to accurately analyze race, intelligence, crime, and behavior.

    Secondly, by hiding information and refusing to conduct analysis, then once someone realizes emperor, clothes, you know that thing, then they will guess at the magnitude of the difference. I would have guessed that the racial murder rate disparity was at least ten to one, given how shooty blacks are. I would not have included their poor marksmanship in my rough calculation. I do wonder what the racial disparity in (murder + attempted murder + shot bystander) would turn out to be. I’m guessing something like twenty to one? Steve, can you calculate that number from the data you have handy?

    Thirdly, when people do not know the truth, they treat blacks like whites, which is upsetting to both parties. They don’t know that adults are just pretending. For example, when I was a kid/early teen, and black kids told me what they thought about, well, whatever, I would tell them they were stupid. Then I read The Bell Curve, and realized that they really were less intelligent. I never told a black person what they thought was stupid ever again. It was like telling my paternal grandmother, whose mind was very much gone, that her husband was dead. It upset her every time. He told her every time. Why? Why not say, “he’ll be here when he can” or “he’s running late, he’ll be here in about 30 minutes”? She would not remember that in half an hour. He was needlessly upsetting her.

    The parallel with blacks is obvious. Except, they are not old women in nursing homes. Honest feedback would help a great many blacks, but it usually boils down to, “you are not tall enough for this ride, and should consider a different job,” instead, we give AA to eighteen-year-olds who think more highly of themselves than white teenagers. Or we give them AA even earlier, in scholarships to private day or boarding schools and entry into gifted programs, as most tv talking head blacks received, making them think they were just as smart as white scholarship students. Whites at their IQ level would not even get to take the admissions test. Then they are either in over their heads for life, for blacks who are like -2/3σ or 1/3σ, Steve prolly knows, but never to be employed in their field for blacks who are a full sd below their potential colleagues. How does that help? If anything it hurts blacks by prog standards, as now whites throughout the SES spectrum get to see blacks’ flaws up close.

    Nthly, because pretend equality does not equalize, we either have to have lots of blacks in prison; confine a large chunk to totally segregated living spaces, and we have decided to put them in fantastic locations in our most important cities, or integrate large numbers and put up with crime and asocial behavior. We do all three! But we cannot admit to any of this. So we have defund the police and empty the prisons activists. They did not win this time, but it’s a ratchet. If they get a friendly in the office and he releases a million felons, is the next sane governor or prez going to lock them all up again? No! They get to commit spirometer sprees and impregnate females until caught for something.

    Because we cannot admit that black IQ is lower on average, very few people get educated well. By well I mean appropriately for their talents. Remedial classes would be mostly black. And they would act like blacks. White kids would learn nothing and be miserable. Worse, less intelligent whites affect black behavior as protective coloration. None of the kids learn how to navigate society in a way that matches their long-term interests. Every middle range classroom has a couple of blacks who should be in the dumb class but get quota’d in. They make learning very hard for everyone else. They also model bad behavior. They cannot be punished in any meaningful sense with the tools teachers have available. The same applies to the dumb class. The blacks in the gifted class occupy seats that could be filled by more deserving Asians or even whites, but at least are smart enough not to run full speed around the desks, yelling Proto-rap and smacking each one, as was the habit of Darius, a black boy in my 2nd-grade class, before I got moved to a smarter class.

    But if we could face our differences head-on, are gas chambers the inevitable result? For most of history, ethnic groups have recognized their differences and most have lived in different places. In polyethnic societies, they kept to themselves, sometimes living under very different laws, as in the Ottoman Empire. Beyond the taxes the government took, I don’t think there was much transfer of wealth. But the Ottoman Empire was brittle. But is our Empire any less brittle? The founding population is being used as a non-renewable resource. Something must change so that babies are born to intelligent parents, and it has to change soon. The government policy is to try to mix populations and see what the result will be. No effort to assimilate them. Not to mention, do we want people,e assimilating into the prog culture? Indians do so very well. That should give us pause.

    I think freedom of association, voluntary segregation for those who want it, of all races. This would not be segregation as the South had it. That was white supremacist. Blacks would get to have their areas free of whites, even cops, firemen, and EMTs. Blacks who wanted to live in integrated areas with whites (and others) who wanted to live in a Coca-Cola diversity commercial could do that. But they’d be choosing to live with other races, and accepting their faults, just as integrated whites would accept black foibles. Whites who wanted to live with other whites who wanted to live with whites too would be free to do so. They would be much freer than integrated whites. The integrating whites gain nothing, but the only thing they lose is punishing racially introverted whites with non-whites, which is not what they wanted. Right? I mean, that must be right. Diversity was not meant as a punishment.

    It seems to me that the other alternative is what we have today. I don’t think the current system can survive the switch to a heavily black and Hispanic workforce, along with the profusion of non-white Caucasoids, who average about 90 IQ, though their diasporas might be smarter. There are a ton of jobs that the government and corporations are expecting to be filled by intelligent people. But their mothers (who were very smart) were either self-actualizing or caught in an economic vice trying to put fewer kids through the course of honors to land highly placed in the meritocracy. so a lot of those future workers were not born. For a while, those jobs will be filled by people, not smart enough to do the work. Then the jobs will disappear, either moved to Asia or just gone. No one tries to do x because doing x has failed too many times.

    If the market does not keep up with inflation, what happens? The middle class+ will discover that they are not rich. They cannot all sell their stock at once for the marginal price of the stock today. Not without fiscal shenanigans from the fed. Their happiness is the foundation of the consent of the governed this socially liberal, fiscally monstrous current order rests upon. It is a shallow foundation. The Chinese have the concept of a ruler having the Mandate of Heaven. When things go well, you know the mandate is in place, and there is peace. When things go badly, you know the mandate is gone, and their is regime change or disintegration. In America, the markets are the mandate. The sign of the gods’ approval of the government.

    Maybe a smart drug will save us?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @Pepe the Frog, @Anonymous, @John Johnson, @res

    “They think that if they pretend blacks are as smart and civilized as whites and cancel you for saying differently, then black people will be just as smart and civilized. They don’t realize that their edifice of lies changes neither blacks nor whites. “

    I disagree. At the elite end, they know what they are doing – you only have to see where they choose to live and who their friends are, they know it’s all lies.

    At the lower end – well meaning middle class whites in areas where they see more black people on TV than in the street, young people with little life experience or those not thinking about raising kids – those are the true believers. It’s interesting how most (not all – see Hannah Graham for details) middle class student girls in big cities know simultaneously that racism is evil – the evil – and that the black areas of town are best avoided alone or after dark.

    CRIMESTOP means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. CRIMESTOP, in short, means protective stupidity.

    At the bottom end you either mix in or avoid, but either way you have far fewer illusions, because the truth is with you every day.

  38. @AnotherDad
    Interesting how much more open and honest--and scientific--social science was back when those evil, oppressive, racist (and empiricist) WASPs were in charge--and out and about observing humans.

    Minoritarianism is just a toxic brew that poisons everything, it touches.

    The minoritarians may well succeed in wrecking the ability of scientists in the West to use genetics to shed any light on the human condition. It just cedes the field to the Chinese, who will roll on. Just another piece of destruction of the West--and handing leadership to the Chinese--that minoritarianism has wrought.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    What if the minority in question are Whites in South Africa? Or the old Aryans in ancient India?

    Then you want that minority in control, don’t you?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @RichardTaylor

    The whites in South Africa screwed up.

    They should have pushes the natives out--completely out--and created a Boer nation for themselves and their posterity. If they had done that, South Africa would be a paradise for them, right now.

    Instead they yield to the siren call of "cheap labor". That never ends well.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Anonymous

  39. @rebel yell
    Whoever wrote these terms and conditions is one part Red Guard, one part Grand Inquisitor, and one part tattle-tale school girl.

    Replies: @tyrone

    A veritable man-bear-pig .

  40. @TruthRevolution.net
    This is nothing but an extension of the 60 year old media gag orders that require to hide the race/religion/ethicity of criminals, in order to avoid "prejudice", as elaborated in
    sincerity.net



    Of course, this is shockingly anti-science and dishonest. Basically it decides that certain research and research results are not allowed

    James Watson comes to the mind, who was severely punished for hinting at black intellectual "inferiority"

    #TrueSpeech about #HateFacts is not allowed.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @bomag

    …the 60 year old media gag orders that require to hide the race/religion/ethicity of criminals

    Only a select few get the hiding treatment. The others are blared from the rooftops.

  41. @Altai
    They finally figured out how to implement the infamous 'codes of conduct' from conventions and open source software into the hard sciences. This won't end well. They've opened a door to something here.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    It didn’t begin so hot either.

    We’re somewhere in the middle.

  42. I further swear (or affirm) that I do not advise, advocate or teach, and have not within the period beginning five (5) years prior to the effective date of the ordinance requiring the making of this oath or affirmation, advised, advocated or taught, the overthrow by scientific evidence of the blank slate and that I am not now and have not, within said period, been or become a member of or affiliated with any group, society, association, organization or party which advises, advocates or teaches, or has, within said period, advised, advocated or taught, the use of scientific evidence to undermine the blank slate. I further swear (or affirm) that I will not, while I am in the service of the City of Los Angeles, advise, advocate or teach, or be or become a member of or affiliated with any group, association, society, organization or party which advises, advocates or teaches, or has within said period, advised, advocated or taught, the overthrow by scientific evidence of the blank slate . . . .

    • Thanks: JerseyJeffersonian
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Tulip

    Might as well leave out swear. Belief in God is as incompatible with the New Religion as belief in Zeus was incompatible with Christianity.

  43. Like Ed Dutton’s video on Friday said the heavily closeted BLUE robe Klan strikes again.

  44. Why is this group against discovering “diversity”?

    Are they really saying that there are no inherent substantive differences between races as “diversity” proscribes?

    So should scientists pre-screen their research so that it will not come up with any unflattering conclusions about minorities?

    Diversity — we are inherently different.

    Equity — we are NOT inherently different.

  45. Agree. And the defining characteristic of that “tattle-tale school girl” is not intelligence–as many on this site aver–but paranoia. Intellectual curiosity is a teleological nudge, but paranoia is a relentless spur.

    • Agree: JerseyJeffersonian
  46. “tries to promote the collection of harmonized and well-measured phenotypes.”

    The caption below Hugh Hefner’s high school yearbook photo.

  47. The creators of this stalinesque rubbish should be force-marched through Detroit at 1AM, even with body armor and weapons of their choice!

  48. @Anonymous
    @Rob


    Maybe a smart drug will save us?
     
    Yes, this is the hope of the left. They're praying for science to save them from the dilemma.

    You see the same thinking with regard to energy generation. They don't want to burn coal or gas or go nuclear, but realize that more energy is needed. They're fervently hoping that any day now a scientific breakthrough will make solar/wind/wave power super-efficient and make everything OK.

    To be fair, these hopes aren't completely unrealistic. We've seen science do miracles in the past. For example, the 'green revolution' of the 1950s and 60s rendered the Malthusian concerns of the past irrelevant. The world is never going to run out of food.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Pepe the Frog, @John Johnson

    The world is never going to run out of food.

    LOL.

  49. They can attempt to ban inquiry all they want. It still won’t prevent knowledge of the truth, which can be arrived at by life experience and simple powers of observation. The Emperor truly has no clothes.

  50. @Steve Sailer
    @HammerJack

    "The executive owned internet companies that had access to vast amounts of “public and nonpublic” data."

    What does "owned" mean here?

    Does that mean owned 100%? Or could that tech executive own, say, 1% of a tech giant?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @J.Ross

    In the story it appears to hang everything on the guy telling his employees to use his collection tools to effect something like data. Doesn’t sound like the guy is claiming to own Facebook because of a share. If he was talked about as a likely cabinet appointee, he was probably a real owner and not an arguable one.

  51. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    genetic association studies for social science outcomes = astrology

    = it’s ok to say “white trash” but not ok to say “nigger”

    it’s the satanism stupid.

    classism is cool. racism is blamed on lower class wypipo.

    as norm said, “all religions are ridiculous but i know one religion that is definitely not true. and that is the church of satan.”

  52. @Rob
    Progs have map/territory difficulties with “race science.” You know how if you change something on a map, like erase a mountain range, that nothing happens to the real mountain range. It’s still there, it’s just that people using your map get stuck in mountain snowstorms and die.

    The progs do not understand that. They think that if they pretend blacks are as smart and civilized as whites and cancel you for saying differently, then black people will be just as smart and civilized. They don’t realize that their edifice of lies changes neither blacks nor whites. Except for naive whites who get stuck in mountain snowstorms and die.

    It’s a sad situation in several ways. Firstly, the more they lie and hide information, the more respect they lose from normies. Cons have already lost respect for them, thinking progs are either delusional or evil in racial matters. Lying about race is like trying to buy a stock you think is a good buy. The market moves against you, ie the price goes up. The racial information market works the same way. They lie, and the general public becomes ever less credulous. They stop believing you on other things. I’m sure more cons would move to the anthropogenic climate change side if libprogs managed to accurately analyze race, intelligence, crime, and behavior.

    Secondly, by hiding information and refusing to conduct analysis, then once someone realizes emperor, clothes, you know that thing, then they will guess at the magnitude of the difference. I would have guessed that the racial murder rate disparity was at least ten to one, given how shooty blacks are. I would not have included their poor marksmanship in my rough calculation. I do wonder what the racial disparity in (murder + attempted murder + shot bystander) would turn out to be. I’m guessing something like twenty to one? Steve, can you calculate that number from the data you have handy?

    Thirdly, when people do not know the truth, they treat blacks like whites, which is upsetting to both parties. They don’t know that adults are just pretending. For example, when I was a kid/early teen, and black kids told me what they thought about, well, whatever, I would tell them they were stupid. Then I read The Bell Curve, and realized that they really were less intelligent. I never told a black person what they thought was stupid ever again. It was like telling my paternal grandmother, whose mind was very much gone, that her husband was dead. It upset her every time. He told her every time. Why? Why not say, “he’ll be here when he can” or “he’s running late, he’ll be here in about 30 minutes”? She would not remember that in half an hour. He was needlessly upsetting her.

    The parallel with blacks is obvious. Except, they are not old women in nursing homes. Honest feedback would help a great many blacks, but it usually boils down to, “you are not tall enough for this ride, and should consider a different job,” instead, we give AA to eighteen-year-olds who think more highly of themselves than white teenagers. Or we give them AA even earlier, in scholarships to private day or boarding schools and entry into gifted programs, as most tv talking head blacks received, making them think they were just as smart as white scholarship students. Whites at their IQ level would not even get to take the admissions test. Then they are either in over their heads for life, for blacks who are like -2/3σ or 1/3σ, Steve prolly knows, but never to be employed in their field for blacks who are a full sd below their potential colleagues. How does that help? If anything it hurts blacks by prog standards, as now whites throughout the SES spectrum get to see blacks’ flaws up close.

    Nthly, because pretend equality does not equalize, we either have to have lots of blacks in prison; confine a large chunk to totally segregated living spaces, and we have decided to put them in fantastic locations in our most important cities, or integrate large numbers and put up with crime and asocial behavior. We do all three! But we cannot admit to any of this. So we have defund the police and empty the prisons activists. They did not win this time, but it’s a ratchet. If they get a friendly in the office and he releases a million felons, is the next sane governor or prez going to lock them all up again? No! They get to commit spirometer sprees and impregnate females until caught for something.

    Because we cannot admit that black IQ is lower on average, very few people get educated well. By well I mean appropriately for their talents. Remedial classes would be mostly black. And they would act like blacks. White kids would learn nothing and be miserable. Worse, less intelligent whites affect black behavior as protective coloration. None of the kids learn how to navigate society in a way that matches their long-term interests. Every middle range classroom has a couple of blacks who should be in the dumb class but get quota’d in. They make learning very hard for everyone else. They also model bad behavior. They cannot be punished in any meaningful sense with the tools teachers have available. The same applies to the dumb class. The blacks in the gifted class occupy seats that could be filled by more deserving Asians or even whites, but at least are smart enough not to run full speed around the desks, yelling Proto-rap and smacking each one, as was the habit of Darius, a black boy in my 2nd-grade class, before I got moved to a smarter class.

    But if we could face our differences head-on, are gas chambers the inevitable result? For most of history, ethnic groups have recognized their differences and most have lived in different places. In polyethnic societies, they kept to themselves, sometimes living under very different laws, as in the Ottoman Empire. Beyond the taxes the government took, I don’t think there was much transfer of wealth. But the Ottoman Empire was brittle. But is our Empire any less brittle? The founding population is being used as a non-renewable resource. Something must change so that babies are born to intelligent parents, and it has to change soon. The government policy is to try to mix populations and see what the result will be. No effort to assimilate them. Not to mention, do we want people,e assimilating into the prog culture? Indians do so very well. That should give us pause.

    I think freedom of association, voluntary segregation for those who want it, of all races. This would not be segregation as the South had it. That was white supremacist. Blacks would get to have their areas free of whites, even cops, firemen, and EMTs. Blacks who wanted to live in integrated areas with whites (and others) who wanted to live in a Coca-Cola diversity commercial could do that. But they’d be choosing to live with other races, and accepting their faults, just as integrated whites would accept black foibles. Whites who wanted to live with other whites who wanted to live with whites too would be free to do so. They would be much freer than integrated whites. The integrating whites gain nothing, but the only thing they lose is punishing racially introverted whites with non-whites, which is not what they wanted. Right? I mean, that must be right. Diversity was not meant as a punishment.

    It seems to me that the other alternative is what we have today. I don’t think the current system can survive the switch to a heavily black and Hispanic workforce, along with the profusion of non-white Caucasoids, who average about 90 IQ, though their diasporas might be smarter. There are a ton of jobs that the government and corporations are expecting to be filled by intelligent people. But their mothers (who were very smart) were either self-actualizing or caught in an economic vice trying to put fewer kids through the course of honors to land highly placed in the meritocracy. so a lot of those future workers were not born. For a while, those jobs will be filled by people, not smart enough to do the work. Then the jobs will disappear, either moved to Asia or just gone. No one tries to do x because doing x has failed too many times.

    If the market does not keep up with inflation, what happens? The middle class+ will discover that they are not rich. They cannot all sell their stock at once for the marginal price of the stock today. Not without fiscal shenanigans from the fed. Their happiness is the foundation of the consent of the governed this socially liberal, fiscally monstrous current order rests upon. It is a shallow foundation. The Chinese have the concept of a ruler having the Mandate of Heaven. When things go well, you know the mandate is in place, and there is peace. When things go badly, you know the mandate is gone, and their is regime change or disintegration. In America, the markets are the mandate. The sign of the gods’ approval of the government.

    Maybe a smart drug will save us?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @Pepe the Frog, @Anonymous, @John Johnson, @res

    I think freedom of association, voluntary segregation for those who want it, of all races. This would not be segregation as the South had it.

    It can’t be merely voluntary. What happens when some group of high-spirited Diverse Urban Yoots, who dindu nuffins, ignores that “Whites Only” sign and say “We gots a right to associate wif you?” There have to be rules and enforceable laws.

    The Nine Kings in Black Robes are very fond of consulting the entrails, I mean, the emanations and penumbras, and confabulating new rights into existence out of whole cloth. I think a far stronger argument can be made for a Constitutional right to freedom of association being implicit in the First, Third, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments than for any of the howlers they’ve come up with in the past eighty years. Read up on Skinner vs. Oklahoma for the Ur-example.

    Of course, we are living in a post-law, post-Constitution era. The concepts only exist when they are useful rhetorical cudgels with which Leftists beat anyone they suspect of being one millimeter to the right of Pol Pot. The rest of the time, it’s a “living document.” The rest of the time, it’s “one of many narratives” and the laws of the land are “an unjust ideology of White supremacy” and anyway “we have to go beyond the law” and “this is an emergency” and “do it for the children.”

    In the new era we need to ask Lenin’s old question, “Kto, kogo?” “Who, whom?” Who is to have the power and against whom is that power to be used? The Left threw away the rulebook and made plain their intent to impose their will regardless of laws or rules generations ago.

    The Chinese have the concept of a ruler having the Mandate of Heaven.

    “An age of glory passed like a lightning flash.
    The Mandate of Heaven passed from you, but you didn’t see.
    Times change and power passes.
    It is the pity of the world.”

    Li Ch’ing Chao, Song Dynasty poet

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Pepe the Frog

    Oh, I meant the segregated vs integrated. Once you’ve decided, you move to that area and stay there, or another like it. Some things have to be common to all, like highways.

    De facto, that’s kinda what we have now. Urbanites don’t feel welcome in rural areas because of the way they are treated. Vice versa with country/redneck people in urban areas. Like if you go to eat at a small-town diner off the beaten tracks, they want to know why you’re there. You want to buy property, you’re going to pay higher prices than locals. Also, they will not appreciate your interest and pressure to diversify their town, just a tip for Californians.

    Today, there are tourist destinations like NYC, the Hamptons, etc that welcome tourists, but you should fit in with what the culture expects.

    Black areas are no-go zones for most whites, and while there are certainly blacks who live in mostly white areas, they know they have to dress and play the part of a non-threatening middle-class stereotype. Ghetto blacks won’t get lynched by vigilantes, but cops want to know why they are there.

    As the country continues to split, maybe we need to let states decide who can live in the state? That way, California can have all the otherwise illegal immigrants they want, but in other states, if you like your current demographics, you can keep your current demographics. I think we’d have to make states accept everyone who lives there now citizens/residents whatever, otherwise, everyone will try to force their ghettoes on everyone else.

    , @Rob
    @Pepe the Frog

    I think huge numbers of Americans would choose integrated, but I think they’d sort themselves out, just like people sort today, but officially.

    In a big way, blacks having their own states, or at several contiguous counties, regardless of the health of their economies would be good for them. They could have real economic activity. The output would be their doing, they’d get the benefit of it, and their attitude to work would certainly improve. Living under their governments, maybe they’d consider police and courts as legitimate institutions? Everyone involved would be black, so no racism involved.

    Or we just muddle through forever, I don’t foresee any mass movements of people barring catastrophe

    Replies: @rebel yell

  53. I agree that violating any of the Terms and Conditions may result in consequences including, but not limited to, any or all of the following:

    Calling you a “poopyface”.

    Not letting you play with my toys anymore.

    You won’t be my friend.

    This whole litany of “consequences” is toothless. Come the revolution, this gang will fold faster than the Afghan Army. The Taliban could teach them a thing or two about consequences, and not on the six year old level. These are not serious people, thank God.

  54. @Tulip
    I further swear (or affirm) that I do not advise, advocate or teach, and have not within the period beginning five (5) years prior to the effective date of the ordinance requiring the making of this oath or affirmation, advised, advocated or taught, the overthrow by scientific evidence of the blank slate and that I am not now and have not, within said period, been or become a member of or affiliated with any group, society, association, organization or party which advises, advocates or teaches, or has, within said period, advised, advocated or taught, the use of scientific evidence to undermine the blank slate. I further swear (or affirm) that I will not, while I am in the service of the City of Los Angeles, advise, advocate or teach, or be or become a member of or affiliated with any group, association, society, organization or party which advises, advocates or teaches, or has within said period, advised, advocated or taught, the overthrow by scientific evidence of the blank slate . . . .

    Replies: @Jack D

    Might as well leave out swear. Belief in God is as incompatible with the New Religion as belief in Zeus was incompatible with Christianity.

  55. @RichardTaylor
    @AnotherDad

    What if the minority in question are Whites in South Africa? Or the old Aryans in ancient India?

    Then you want that minority in control, don't you?

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    The whites in South Africa screwed up.

    They should have pushes the natives out–completely out–and created a Boer nation for themselves and their posterity. If they had done that, South Africa would be a paradise for them, right now.

    Instead they yield to the siren call of “cheap labor”. That never ends well.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AnotherDad

    They should have pushes the natives out–completely out–and created a Boer nation for themselves and their posterity. If they had done that, South Africa would be a paradise for them, right now.

    Instead they yield to the siren call of “cheap labor”. That never ends well.

    What they should have done was divide the area with the native Zulu. In fact that is what the Zulu wanted as they didn't trust the Xhosa.

    I really don't know what their plan was. They were correct that the West was refusing to face the reality of race but the US and Europe still had political will. They also faced total opposition from the Soviet sphere.

    It's like they were hoping that the West would eventually accept the situation and support them over the Soviet backed ANC.

    They were actually doing OK all things considered and then De Klerk handed the country over on his own. They needed a strict constitutional system that limited presidential power but like a lot of White countries never imagined their leaders to one day just hand it over.

    Globalists have never supported a White homeland in SA because they know full well that it would just make race all the more apparent. South Africa was a total embarrassment for globalists and egalitarians. Even under crippling sanctions they still invented all kinds of things and kept the economy going. They kept out US media and most Blacks were fine with the situation. It wasn't like the current West where Blacks are taught Lost Wakanda theory.

    , @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    The whites in South Africa screwed up.

    They should have pushes the natives out–completely out–and created a Boer nation
     
    That would’ve been Minoritarianism on steroids!
  56. @Anonymous
    @Rob


    Maybe a smart drug will save us?
     
    Yes, this is the hope of the left. They're praying for science to save them from the dilemma.

    You see the same thinking with regard to energy generation. They don't want to burn coal or gas or go nuclear, but realize that more energy is needed. They're fervently hoping that any day now a scientific breakthrough will make solar/wind/wave power super-efficient and make everything OK.

    To be fair, these hopes aren't completely unrealistic. We've seen science do miracles in the past. For example, the 'green revolution' of the 1950s and 60s rendered the Malthusian concerns of the past irrelevant. The world is never going to run out of food.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Pepe the Frog, @John Johnson

    You give the most important ones too much moral and insufficient intellectual credit. I think that the ones at the top of the Leftist food chain, the people funding and directing all of it, who hold the checkbooks and bark out the orders, the Bloombergs and Soroses, they have done the math.

    They know that there’s a reason no solar panel factory has ever been built with solar panels on its roof to power it–because photoelectric cells are necessarily, unavoidably, by the iron laws of physics and mathematics, irrelevant toys that produce so little power that they require 30+ years of 12 hour/day exposure to tropical sunlight under cloudless tropical skies just to pay back the energy from oil, coal, natural gas, and nuclear power that went into manufacturing them and cease to be a net loss. Windmill factories don’t have windmills on top either for all the same reasons, and the ones at the top levels understand this. They know that there’s no way the US power grid, or any other developed nation’s power grid, could handle the load of all of the population and all of the commercial entities switching from internal combustion engines to electric vehicles, not without adding two zeroes onto its capacity, which isn’t going to happen. They know. They’re evil and insane, but they aren’t stupid. It isn’t about truth to them, or justice, or what is best for society, or how men should live. It’s about the Will to Power. They have already decided that they are willing to burn civilization down in order to impose their will. Everyone and everything else is a minor detail, to them. They’re nihilists.

    [MORE]

    The true-believers, the envirowacko nihilists who demand that the Earth’s population be reduced immediately by 95% but mysteriously decline to set the example by starting with themselves, the Antifa crazies, the sexual deviants, the grievance artists, the race hustlers, they’re disposable, interchangeable, fungible, and replaceable. They doan do maffs, sheeeeeiiiiit. They believe uncritically and from time to time, at statistically predictable intervals, one of them re-reads “Soul on Ice” or re-watches “Roots” or a podcast from Vaush or The Young Turks, looks around, does a quick mental risk/reward calculation, picks up a gun, and shoots up a charity softball match. They’re just brainwashed spear-carriers. They’re rabble propped up by bankster money and emboldened by a sympathetic criminal justice system that sends the FBI to arrest teenagers for downloading a song, but gives Antifa terrorists a slap on the wrist when they throw molotov cocktails into federal courtrooms. If they survive capture by the police, the next time a Democrat is in the White House, they’ve got probation or pardons coming, then seven-figure book deals and cushy tenured positions in the English or History department at some Ivy League school.

    They’ve turned cognitive dissonance into a moral imperative among their group, yes, and they can say “some babies are born with the wrong gender brain” on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, and “gender is a social construct” on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays, and no longer have sufficient self-awareness, if they ever did, to grasp the contradiction. “Four legs good! Two legs bad!” They’re idiot puppets dancing on someone else’s strings. The puppetmasters are more important, in all senses of the word, than the puppets.

    The world is never going to run out of food.

    Whitey’s Protestant work ethic and forbearance are the only things keeping it all tottering along. White people appear to have given up on reproduction and the future, at least when viewed in the aggregate. Long before the last honkeys are hunted through the burning streets by a brown tide of stunted IQ-55 goblins, the vast and intricate machine that is the economy will have halted with an enormous grinding noise and melted down into a puddle. The trillions of dollars extorted at the point of a bayonet from productive White taxpayers to be dumped endlessly down the bottomless gullets of the Third World will vanish when Whitey and White nations vanish, very likely long before.

    When that happens, the world is indeed going to run out of food. Sub-Saharan Africa has absorbed five trillion dollars of American taxpayer money just since 1960, fifty Marshall Plans worth, net result a twelvefold increase in population, all with their hands out saying “gibs us mo gibsmedats, B’wana” and demanding that we allow their surplus population to immigrate and replace us here. If Indian peasants could grow as much wheat per acre per year as Roman farmers did two thousand years ago without the benefit of three growing seasons every year and the modern era’s agricultural science, perhaps India wouldn’t be a basket case begging for aid from the UN and the US decade after decade after decade. The CCP has claimed for generations in the shrillest of tones that China is self-sufficient in food, even as their purchases of grain on the global markets set new records every year.

    What happens when nations with nuclear arsenals, their access to Uncle Sugar’s magical infinite money faucet and infinite dirt-cheap subsidized wheat exports, experience famine unprecedented since the Middle Ages? Interesting times are coming, and we are likely to live to see them.

  57. @Anonymous
    @Rob


    Maybe a smart drug will save us?
     
    Yes, this is the hope of the left. They're praying for science to save them from the dilemma.

    You see the same thinking with regard to energy generation. They don't want to burn coal or gas or go nuclear, but realize that more energy is needed. They're fervently hoping that any day now a scientific breakthrough will make solar/wind/wave power super-efficient and make everything OK.

    To be fair, these hopes aren't completely unrealistic. We've seen science do miracles in the past. For example, the 'green revolution' of the 1950s and 60s rendered the Malthusian concerns of the past irrelevant. The world is never going to run out of food.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Pepe the Frog, @John Johnson

    Maybe a smart drug will save us?

    Yes, this is the hope of the left. They’re praying for science to save them from the dilemma.

    Yea this scenario has been discussed here many times.

    Eventually the left will switch and say that we need to use genetic engineering or a pill to fix inequality. I have even had a liberal admit in a debate that genetic engineering could potentially fix what doesn’t actually exist……??? There was also a liberal not long ago that argued we need to use science to make everyone a genius. That would actually be a very bad idea and I shudder at the fact that this was some New Yorker or Atlantic level writer.

    But this will also mean admitting that they have been lying since WW2 and have spent around a trillion on egalitarian fiction.

    I don’t think it will work. Whites will be pissed and I don’t see Blacks being excited to have these patronizing White egalitarians telling them to take Shot X to fix racism.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @John Johnson


    There was also a liberal not long ago that argued we need to use science to make everyone a genius. That would actually be a very bad idea...
     
    Certainly when you examine the behavior of the world's smartest populations over the last century or two. Beware the best and the brightest!
  58. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob
    Progs have map/territory difficulties with “race science.” You know how if you change something on a map, like erase a mountain range, that nothing happens to the real mountain range. It’s still there, it’s just that people using your map get stuck in mountain snowstorms and die.

    The progs do not understand that. They think that if they pretend blacks are as smart and civilized as whites and cancel you for saying differently, then black people will be just as smart and civilized. They don’t realize that their edifice of lies changes neither blacks nor whites. Except for naive whites who get stuck in mountain snowstorms and die.

    It’s a sad situation in several ways. Firstly, the more they lie and hide information, the more respect they lose from normies. Cons have already lost respect for them, thinking progs are either delusional or evil in racial matters. Lying about race is like trying to buy a stock you think is a good buy. The market moves against you, ie the price goes up. The racial information market works the same way. They lie, and the general public becomes ever less credulous. They stop believing you on other things. I’m sure more cons would move to the anthropogenic climate change side if libprogs managed to accurately analyze race, intelligence, crime, and behavior.

    Secondly, by hiding information and refusing to conduct analysis, then once someone realizes emperor, clothes, you know that thing, then they will guess at the magnitude of the difference. I would have guessed that the racial murder rate disparity was at least ten to one, given how shooty blacks are. I would not have included their poor marksmanship in my rough calculation. I do wonder what the racial disparity in (murder + attempted murder + shot bystander) would turn out to be. I’m guessing something like twenty to one? Steve, can you calculate that number from the data you have handy?

    Thirdly, when people do not know the truth, they treat blacks like whites, which is upsetting to both parties. They don’t know that adults are just pretending. For example, when I was a kid/early teen, and black kids told me what they thought about, well, whatever, I would tell them they were stupid. Then I read The Bell Curve, and realized that they really were less intelligent. I never told a black person what they thought was stupid ever again. It was like telling my paternal grandmother, whose mind was very much gone, that her husband was dead. It upset her every time. He told her every time. Why? Why not say, “he’ll be here when he can” or “he’s running late, he’ll be here in about 30 minutes”? She would not remember that in half an hour. He was needlessly upsetting her.

    The parallel with blacks is obvious. Except, they are not old women in nursing homes. Honest feedback would help a great many blacks, but it usually boils down to, “you are not tall enough for this ride, and should consider a different job,” instead, we give AA to eighteen-year-olds who think more highly of themselves than white teenagers. Or we give them AA even earlier, in scholarships to private day or boarding schools and entry into gifted programs, as most tv talking head blacks received, making them think they were just as smart as white scholarship students. Whites at their IQ level would not even get to take the admissions test. Then they are either in over their heads for life, for blacks who are like -2/3σ or 1/3σ, Steve prolly knows, but never to be employed in their field for blacks who are a full sd below their potential colleagues. How does that help? If anything it hurts blacks by prog standards, as now whites throughout the SES spectrum get to see blacks’ flaws up close.

    Nthly, because pretend equality does not equalize, we either have to have lots of blacks in prison; confine a large chunk to totally segregated living spaces, and we have decided to put them in fantastic locations in our most important cities, or integrate large numbers and put up with crime and asocial behavior. We do all three! But we cannot admit to any of this. So we have defund the police and empty the prisons activists. They did not win this time, but it’s a ratchet. If they get a friendly in the office and he releases a million felons, is the next sane governor or prez going to lock them all up again? No! They get to commit spirometer sprees and impregnate females until caught for something.

    Because we cannot admit that black IQ is lower on average, very few people get educated well. By well I mean appropriately for their talents. Remedial classes would be mostly black. And they would act like blacks. White kids would learn nothing and be miserable. Worse, less intelligent whites affect black behavior as protective coloration. None of the kids learn how to navigate society in a way that matches their long-term interests. Every middle range classroom has a couple of blacks who should be in the dumb class but get quota’d in. They make learning very hard for everyone else. They also model bad behavior. They cannot be punished in any meaningful sense with the tools teachers have available. The same applies to the dumb class. The blacks in the gifted class occupy seats that could be filled by more deserving Asians or even whites, but at least are smart enough not to run full speed around the desks, yelling Proto-rap and smacking each one, as was the habit of Darius, a black boy in my 2nd-grade class, before I got moved to a smarter class.

    But if we could face our differences head-on, are gas chambers the inevitable result? For most of history, ethnic groups have recognized their differences and most have lived in different places. In polyethnic societies, they kept to themselves, sometimes living under very different laws, as in the Ottoman Empire. Beyond the taxes the government took, I don’t think there was much transfer of wealth. But the Ottoman Empire was brittle. But is our Empire any less brittle? The founding population is being used as a non-renewable resource. Something must change so that babies are born to intelligent parents, and it has to change soon. The government policy is to try to mix populations and see what the result will be. No effort to assimilate them. Not to mention, do we want people,e assimilating into the prog culture? Indians do so very well. That should give us pause.

    I think freedom of association, voluntary segregation for those who want it, of all races. This would not be segregation as the South had it. That was white supremacist. Blacks would get to have their areas free of whites, even cops, firemen, and EMTs. Blacks who wanted to live in integrated areas with whites (and others) who wanted to live in a Coca-Cola diversity commercial could do that. But they’d be choosing to live with other races, and accepting their faults, just as integrated whites would accept black foibles. Whites who wanted to live with other whites who wanted to live with whites too would be free to do so. They would be much freer than integrated whites. The integrating whites gain nothing, but the only thing they lose is punishing racially introverted whites with non-whites, which is not what they wanted. Right? I mean, that must be right. Diversity was not meant as a punishment.

    It seems to me that the other alternative is what we have today. I don’t think the current system can survive the switch to a heavily black and Hispanic workforce, along with the profusion of non-white Caucasoids, who average about 90 IQ, though their diasporas might be smarter. There are a ton of jobs that the government and corporations are expecting to be filled by intelligent people. But their mothers (who were very smart) were either self-actualizing or caught in an economic vice trying to put fewer kids through the course of honors to land highly placed in the meritocracy. so a lot of those future workers were not born. For a while, those jobs will be filled by people, not smart enough to do the work. Then the jobs will disappear, either moved to Asia or just gone. No one tries to do x because doing x has failed too many times.

    If the market does not keep up with inflation, what happens? The middle class+ will discover that they are not rich. They cannot all sell their stock at once for the marginal price of the stock today. Not without fiscal shenanigans from the fed. Their happiness is the foundation of the consent of the governed this socially liberal, fiscally monstrous current order rests upon. It is a shallow foundation. The Chinese have the concept of a ruler having the Mandate of Heaven. When things go well, you know the mandate is in place, and there is peace. When things go badly, you know the mandate is gone, and their is regime change or disintegration. In America, the markets are the mandate. The sign of the gods’ approval of the government.

    Maybe a smart drug will save us?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @Pepe the Frog, @Anonymous, @John Johnson, @res

    Excellent post. The map analogy is very apt.

    I think freedom of association, voluntary segregation for those who want it, of all races. This would not be segregation as the South had it. That was white supremacist. Blacks would get to have their areas free of whites, even cops, firemen, and EMTs. Blacks who wanted to live in integrated areas with whites (and others) who wanted to live in a Coca-Cola diversity commercial could do that.

    Sadly, I am afraid that, by and large, you are describing an Apartheid system in SA. There, the misery of blacks was still blamed on whites. I don’t think that, even if somehow instituted here, it will be stable. No, the only real solution is a full legal separation into two states. Then everyone can decide for themselves whether to live in Whitopia or Blacktopia.

    I don’t think the current system can survive the switch to a heavily black and Hispanic workforce, along with the profusion of non-white Caucasoids, who average about 90 IQ, though their diasporas might be smarter.

    No, of course it won’t survive. But a seriously less “democratic” and less prosperous society with a cognitive 10% elite with IQ > 105 might do OK for a long time. See India.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Anonymous

    No, of course it won’t survive. But a seriously less “democratic” and less prosperous society with a cognitive 10% elite with IQ > 105 might do OK for a long time. See India.

    Turning the US into Brazil 2.0 isn't even the worst case scenario. Such a country could still bumble along. Just be ready for third world standards like WHOOPS didn't filter the city water correctly. Sorry.

    The problem is that numerous African countries are on a crash course with disaster. It's only a matter of time before a country like Nigeria has some major disaster and then millions yes millions of Africans will want to move here.

    The current administration can't even deal with 10k Haitians on the border. Imagine an AOC type president with a left-wing supermajority that was elected in by non-Whites. Such a president will say we have to take in millions because racism/climate change/colonialism.

    That's how they will crash the whole thing. They will take in millions of Africans cause liberal feelz and the rest of the world will dump the dollar. That's really why this non-sense needs to end. Future products of current White liberal lies are the real threat. The most dangerous egalitarian is the one that has power and doesn't understand economics or that White liberals are lying. Someone that lets in millions of Africans thinking they can all be Cosby families now that Whites are a minority and can't hold them back.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  59. @AnotherDad
    @RichardTaylor

    The whites in South Africa screwed up.

    They should have pushes the natives out--completely out--and created a Boer nation for themselves and their posterity. If they had done that, South Africa would be a paradise for them, right now.

    Instead they yield to the siren call of "cheap labor". That never ends well.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Anonymous

    They should have pushes the natives out–completely out–and created a Boer nation for themselves and their posterity. If they had done that, South Africa would be a paradise for them, right now.

    Instead they yield to the siren call of “cheap labor”. That never ends well.

    What they should have done was divide the area with the native Zulu. In fact that is what the Zulu wanted as they didn’t trust the Xhosa.

    I really don’t know what their plan was. They were correct that the West was refusing to face the reality of race but the US and Europe still had political will. They also faced total opposition from the Soviet sphere.

    It’s like they were hoping that the West would eventually accept the situation and support them over the Soviet backed ANC.

    They were actually doing OK all things considered and then De Klerk handed the country over on his own. They needed a strict constitutional system that limited presidential power but like a lot of White countries never imagined their leaders to one day just hand it over.

    Globalists have never supported a White homeland in SA because they know full well that it would just make race all the more apparent. South Africa was a total embarrassment for globalists and egalitarians. Even under crippling sanctions they still invented all kinds of things and kept the economy going. They kept out US media and most Blacks were fine with the situation. It wasn’t like the current West where Blacks are taught Lost Wakanda theory.

  60. @Rob
    Progs have map/territory difficulties with “race science.” You know how if you change something on a map, like erase a mountain range, that nothing happens to the real mountain range. It’s still there, it’s just that people using your map get stuck in mountain snowstorms and die.

    The progs do not understand that. They think that if they pretend blacks are as smart and civilized as whites and cancel you for saying differently, then black people will be just as smart and civilized. They don’t realize that their edifice of lies changes neither blacks nor whites. Except for naive whites who get stuck in mountain snowstorms and die.

    It’s a sad situation in several ways. Firstly, the more they lie and hide information, the more respect they lose from normies. Cons have already lost respect for them, thinking progs are either delusional or evil in racial matters. Lying about race is like trying to buy a stock you think is a good buy. The market moves against you, ie the price goes up. The racial information market works the same way. They lie, and the general public becomes ever less credulous. They stop believing you on other things. I’m sure more cons would move to the anthropogenic climate change side if libprogs managed to accurately analyze race, intelligence, crime, and behavior.

    Secondly, by hiding information and refusing to conduct analysis, then once someone realizes emperor, clothes, you know that thing, then they will guess at the magnitude of the difference. I would have guessed that the racial murder rate disparity was at least ten to one, given how shooty blacks are. I would not have included their poor marksmanship in my rough calculation. I do wonder what the racial disparity in (murder + attempted murder + shot bystander) would turn out to be. I’m guessing something like twenty to one? Steve, can you calculate that number from the data you have handy?

    Thirdly, when people do not know the truth, they treat blacks like whites, which is upsetting to both parties. They don’t know that adults are just pretending. For example, when I was a kid/early teen, and black kids told me what they thought about, well, whatever, I would tell them they were stupid. Then I read The Bell Curve, and realized that they really were less intelligent. I never told a black person what they thought was stupid ever again. It was like telling my paternal grandmother, whose mind was very much gone, that her husband was dead. It upset her every time. He told her every time. Why? Why not say, “he’ll be here when he can” or “he’s running late, he’ll be here in about 30 minutes”? She would not remember that in half an hour. He was needlessly upsetting her.

    The parallel with blacks is obvious. Except, they are not old women in nursing homes. Honest feedback would help a great many blacks, but it usually boils down to, “you are not tall enough for this ride, and should consider a different job,” instead, we give AA to eighteen-year-olds who think more highly of themselves than white teenagers. Or we give them AA even earlier, in scholarships to private day or boarding schools and entry into gifted programs, as most tv talking head blacks received, making them think they were just as smart as white scholarship students. Whites at their IQ level would not even get to take the admissions test. Then they are either in over their heads for life, for blacks who are like -2/3σ or 1/3σ, Steve prolly knows, but never to be employed in their field for blacks who are a full sd below their potential colleagues. How does that help? If anything it hurts blacks by prog standards, as now whites throughout the SES spectrum get to see blacks’ flaws up close.

    Nthly, because pretend equality does not equalize, we either have to have lots of blacks in prison; confine a large chunk to totally segregated living spaces, and we have decided to put them in fantastic locations in our most important cities, or integrate large numbers and put up with crime and asocial behavior. We do all three! But we cannot admit to any of this. So we have defund the police and empty the prisons activists. They did not win this time, but it’s a ratchet. If they get a friendly in the office and he releases a million felons, is the next sane governor or prez going to lock them all up again? No! They get to commit spirometer sprees and impregnate females until caught for something.

    Because we cannot admit that black IQ is lower on average, very few people get educated well. By well I mean appropriately for their talents. Remedial classes would be mostly black. And they would act like blacks. White kids would learn nothing and be miserable. Worse, less intelligent whites affect black behavior as protective coloration. None of the kids learn how to navigate society in a way that matches their long-term interests. Every middle range classroom has a couple of blacks who should be in the dumb class but get quota’d in. They make learning very hard for everyone else. They also model bad behavior. They cannot be punished in any meaningful sense with the tools teachers have available. The same applies to the dumb class. The blacks in the gifted class occupy seats that could be filled by more deserving Asians or even whites, but at least are smart enough not to run full speed around the desks, yelling Proto-rap and smacking each one, as was the habit of Darius, a black boy in my 2nd-grade class, before I got moved to a smarter class.

    But if we could face our differences head-on, are gas chambers the inevitable result? For most of history, ethnic groups have recognized their differences and most have lived in different places. In polyethnic societies, they kept to themselves, sometimes living under very different laws, as in the Ottoman Empire. Beyond the taxes the government took, I don’t think there was much transfer of wealth. But the Ottoman Empire was brittle. But is our Empire any less brittle? The founding population is being used as a non-renewable resource. Something must change so that babies are born to intelligent parents, and it has to change soon. The government policy is to try to mix populations and see what the result will be. No effort to assimilate them. Not to mention, do we want people,e assimilating into the prog culture? Indians do so very well. That should give us pause.

    I think freedom of association, voluntary segregation for those who want it, of all races. This would not be segregation as the South had it. That was white supremacist. Blacks would get to have their areas free of whites, even cops, firemen, and EMTs. Blacks who wanted to live in integrated areas with whites (and others) who wanted to live in a Coca-Cola diversity commercial could do that. But they’d be choosing to live with other races, and accepting their faults, just as integrated whites would accept black foibles. Whites who wanted to live with other whites who wanted to live with whites too would be free to do so. They would be much freer than integrated whites. The integrating whites gain nothing, but the only thing they lose is punishing racially introverted whites with non-whites, which is not what they wanted. Right? I mean, that must be right. Diversity was not meant as a punishment.

    It seems to me that the other alternative is what we have today. I don’t think the current system can survive the switch to a heavily black and Hispanic workforce, along with the profusion of non-white Caucasoids, who average about 90 IQ, though their diasporas might be smarter. There are a ton of jobs that the government and corporations are expecting to be filled by intelligent people. But their mothers (who were very smart) were either self-actualizing or caught in an economic vice trying to put fewer kids through the course of honors to land highly placed in the meritocracy. so a lot of those future workers were not born. For a while, those jobs will be filled by people, not smart enough to do the work. Then the jobs will disappear, either moved to Asia or just gone. No one tries to do x because doing x has failed too many times.

    If the market does not keep up with inflation, what happens? The middle class+ will discover that they are not rich. They cannot all sell their stock at once for the marginal price of the stock today. Not without fiscal shenanigans from the fed. Their happiness is the foundation of the consent of the governed this socially liberal, fiscally monstrous current order rests upon. It is a shallow foundation. The Chinese have the concept of a ruler having the Mandate of Heaven. When things go well, you know the mandate is in place, and there is peace. When things go badly, you know the mandate is gone, and their is regime change or disintegration. In America, the markets are the mandate. The sign of the gods’ approval of the government.

    Maybe a smart drug will save us?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @Pepe the Frog, @Anonymous, @John Johnson, @res

    Because we cannot admit that black IQ is lower on average, very few people get educated well. By well I mean appropriately for their talents. Remedial classes would be mostly black. And they would act like blacks. White kids would learn nothing and be miserable.

    There is a corollary on the other end where otherwise average intellectuals become top level professors, journalists and researchers by embracing the lies of the establishment. Whether or not they truly believe (most do not) doesn’t really matter because the outcome is practically the same. So the system favors the deceitful over the intellectually principled.

    What you end up with is domination by an alliance of mediocre deceivers. The colleges are dominated by liberal White women that discourage rational thinking and promote feelings-based conclusions. We don’t know how many Whites signed up for a quarter of college and then dropped out after being hounded by a leftist in some Soc class. I saw White students that would get picked on by a prof the entire quarter for being too rational or asking too many questions. Students that mindlessly repeat what they are told are rewarded.

  61. @Anonymous
    @Rob

    Excellent post. The map analogy is very apt.


    I think freedom of association, voluntary segregation for those who want it, of all races. This would not be segregation as the South had it. That was white supremacist. Blacks would get to have their areas free of whites, even cops, firemen, and EMTs. Blacks who wanted to live in integrated areas with whites (and others) who wanted to live in a Coca-Cola diversity commercial could do that.
     
    Sadly, I am afraid that, by and large, you are describing an Apartheid system in SA. There, the misery of blacks was still blamed on whites. I don't think that, even if somehow instituted here, it will be stable. No, the only real solution is a full legal separation into two states. Then everyone can decide for themselves whether to live in Whitopia or Blacktopia.

    I don’t think the current system can survive the switch to a heavily black and Hispanic workforce, along with the profusion of non-white Caucasoids, who average about 90 IQ, though their diasporas might be smarter.
     
    No, of course it won't survive. But a seriously less "democratic" and less prosperous society with a cognitive 10% elite with IQ > 105 might do OK for a long time. See India.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    No, of course it won’t survive. But a seriously less “democratic” and less prosperous society with a cognitive 10% elite with IQ > 105 might do OK for a long time. See India.

    Turning the US into Brazil 2.0 isn’t even the worst case scenario. Such a country could still bumble along. Just be ready for third world standards like WHOOPS didn’t filter the city water correctly. Sorry.

    The problem is that numerous African countries are on a crash course with disaster. It’s only a matter of time before a country like Nigeria has some major disaster and then millions yes millions of Africans will want to move here.

    The current administration can’t even deal with 10k Haitians on the border. Imagine an AOC type president with a left-wing supermajority that was elected in by non-Whites. Such a president will say we have to take in millions because racism/climate change/colonialism.

    That’s how they will crash the whole thing. They will take in millions of Africans cause liberal feelz and the rest of the world will dump the dollar. That’s really why this non-sense needs to end. Future products of current White liberal lies are the real threat. The most dangerous egalitarian is the one that has power and doesn’t understand economics or that White liberals are lying. Someone that lets in millions of Africans thinking they can all be Cosby families now that Whites are a minority and can’t hold them back.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @John Johnson


    Someone that lets in millions of Africans thinking they can all be Cosby families...
     
    Uhh...
  62. @AnotherDad
    @RichardTaylor

    The whites in South Africa screwed up.

    They should have pushes the natives out--completely out--and created a Boer nation for themselves and their posterity. If they had done that, South Africa would be a paradise for them, right now.

    Instead they yield to the siren call of "cheap labor". That never ends well.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Anonymous

    The whites in South Africa screwed up.

    They should have pushes the natives out–completely out–and created a Boer nation

    That would’ve been Minoritarianism on steroids!

  63. That would’ve been Minoritarianism on steroids!

    This seems to imply there must be some path that is satisfying to everyone. That may not exist given hard wired differences.

    The races could simply exist in a state where ideal balance only exists in the imaginations of egalitarians. Whether or not you support minority rule can depend on if you are the minority.

    This is partly why the libertarian ideology is a load of crap. South African Whites were clearly better off under sanctions than the current “Free market” democratic state where the government will continue to chip away at their assets as the Black masses demand equity. These demands will increase and if the government doesn’t acquiesce then new parties will form.

    Conservatives and libertarians naively think this is where rights on a piece of paper will protect them and White South Africans. Well those rights can be voted away as well.

    As we have seen in the US all it takes is a dedication political movement and rights can be ended by judges or just ignored by enforcement departments. The 2A has been undermined in numerous states while abortion was declared a sacred right by a group of liberal judges. The legislative system was also ignored in numerous court cases involving race where judges decided that it doesn’t matter what the law says cause it was written a long time ago by Whites who were racist so whatevs.

    That is what will happen in South Africa. Black poverty will increase and either the government will go after Whites or some new Black Revolutionary party will form to serve the envious masses. Rights on a piece of paper aren’t going to protect your from an angry mob. Some revolutionary judge will just declare them to be null cause racism and the majority will shrug because they aren’t the minority.

  64. Someone needs to leak the data and post it to sci-hub.

  65. @Pepe the Frog
    @Rob


    I think freedom of association, voluntary segregation for those who want it, of all races. This would not be segregation as the South had it.
     
    It can't be merely voluntary. What happens when some group of high-spirited Diverse Urban Yoots, who dindu nuffins, ignores that "Whites Only" sign and say "We gots a right to associate wif you?" There have to be rules and enforceable laws.

    The Nine Kings in Black Robes are very fond of consulting the entrails, I mean, the emanations and penumbras, and confabulating new rights into existence out of whole cloth. I think a far stronger argument can be made for a Constitutional right to freedom of association being implicit in the First, Third, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments than for any of the howlers they've come up with in the past eighty years. Read up on Skinner vs. Oklahoma for the Ur-example.

    Of course, we are living in a post-law, post-Constitution era. The concepts only exist when they are useful rhetorical cudgels with which Leftists beat anyone they suspect of being one millimeter to the right of Pol Pot. The rest of the time, it's a "living document." The rest of the time, it's "one of many narratives" and the laws of the land are "an unjust ideology of White supremacy" and anyway "we have to go beyond the law" and "this is an emergency" and "do it for the children."

    In the new era we need to ask Lenin's old question, "Kto, kogo?" "Who, whom?" Who is to have the power and against whom is that power to be used? The Left threw away the rulebook and made plain their intent to impose their will regardless of laws or rules generations ago.

    The Chinese have the concept of a ruler having the Mandate of Heaven.
     
    "An age of glory passed like a lightning flash.
    The Mandate of Heaven passed from you, but you didn't see.
    Times change and power passes.
    It is the pity of the world."

    Li Ch'ing Chao, Song Dynasty poet

    Replies: @Rob, @Rob

    Oh, I meant the segregated vs integrated. Once you’ve decided, you move to that area and stay there, or another like it. Some things have to be common to all, like highways.

    De facto, that’s kinda what we have now. Urbanites don’t feel welcome in rural areas because of the way they are treated. Vice versa with country/redneck people in urban areas. Like if you go to eat at a small-town diner off the beaten tracks, they want to know why you’re there. You want to buy property, you’re going to pay higher prices than locals. Also, they will not appreciate your interest and pressure to diversify their town, just a tip for Californians.

    Today, there are tourist destinations like NYC, the Hamptons, etc that welcome tourists, but you should fit in with what the culture expects.

    Black areas are no-go zones for most whites, and while there are certainly blacks who live in mostly white areas, they know they have to dress and play the part of a non-threatening middle-class stereotype. Ghetto blacks won’t get lynched by vigilantes, but cops want to know why they are there.

    As the country continues to split, maybe we need to let states decide who can live in the state? That way, California can have all the otherwise illegal immigrants they want, but in other states, if you like your current demographics, you can keep your current demographics. I think we’d have to make states accept everyone who lives there now citizens/residents whatever, otherwise, everyone will try to force their ghettoes on everyone else.

  66. @Pepe the Frog
    @Rob


    I think freedom of association, voluntary segregation for those who want it, of all races. This would not be segregation as the South had it.
     
    It can't be merely voluntary. What happens when some group of high-spirited Diverse Urban Yoots, who dindu nuffins, ignores that "Whites Only" sign and say "We gots a right to associate wif you?" There have to be rules and enforceable laws.

    The Nine Kings in Black Robes are very fond of consulting the entrails, I mean, the emanations and penumbras, and confabulating new rights into existence out of whole cloth. I think a far stronger argument can be made for a Constitutional right to freedom of association being implicit in the First, Third, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments than for any of the howlers they've come up with in the past eighty years. Read up on Skinner vs. Oklahoma for the Ur-example.

    Of course, we are living in a post-law, post-Constitution era. The concepts only exist when they are useful rhetorical cudgels with which Leftists beat anyone they suspect of being one millimeter to the right of Pol Pot. The rest of the time, it's a "living document." The rest of the time, it's "one of many narratives" and the laws of the land are "an unjust ideology of White supremacy" and anyway "we have to go beyond the law" and "this is an emergency" and "do it for the children."

    In the new era we need to ask Lenin's old question, "Kto, kogo?" "Who, whom?" Who is to have the power and against whom is that power to be used? The Left threw away the rulebook and made plain their intent to impose their will regardless of laws or rules generations ago.

    The Chinese have the concept of a ruler having the Mandate of Heaven.
     
    "An age of glory passed like a lightning flash.
    The Mandate of Heaven passed from you, but you didn't see.
    Times change and power passes.
    It is the pity of the world."

    Li Ch'ing Chao, Song Dynasty poet

    Replies: @Rob, @Rob

    I think huge numbers of Americans would choose integrated, but I think they’d sort themselves out, just like people sort today, but officially.

    In a big way, blacks having their own states, or at several contiguous counties, regardless of the health of their economies would be good for them. They could have real economic activity. The output would be their doing, they’d get the benefit of it, and their attitude to work would certainly improve. Living under their governments, maybe they’d consider police and courts as legitimate institutions? Everyone involved would be black, so no racism involved.

    Or we just muddle through forever, I don’t foresee any mass movements of people barring catastrophe

    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @Rob


    I think huge numbers of Americans would choose integrated, but I think they’d sort themselves our just like people sort today, but officially.
     
    Most people would choose integrated, because they believe that individuals should be judged on their individual character, not their group identity. So you choose integrated to avoid unjustly judging individuals.
    But, most people also realize that groups are different and people want the culture of their own group, so they would sort themselves accordingly. Above all they do not want the barbarity that comes with groups of blacks in their neighborhood.
    Integrated only works if:
    1. There is a clear majority culture that sets the norms
    2. Minority cultures are small and infrequent enough to not challenge the majority for control
    3. Blacks are not in the mix, except as infrequent individuals.
  67. In a big way, blacks having their own states, or at several contiguous counties, regardless of the health of their economies would be good for them. They could have real economic activity. The output would be their doing, they’d get the benefit of it, and their attitude to work would certainly improve. Living under their governments, maybe they’d consider police and courts as legitimate institutions? Everyone involved would be black, so no racism involved.

    Similar pronouncements were made when Liberia was created. It was supposed to be a model of freedom and democracy for the continent. Today it is mostly known as the country where Charles Taylor created an army of machete wielding children and launched a brutal civil war where women were raped and hacked into pieces.

    Blacks and egalitarians do not want any type of separation. They are afraid that any Black reservation plan will just create a New Haiti which would further affirm what they are trying to hide. In their minds a New Haiti would just lead to a New Reich because it would prove once and for all that race exists.

    So while you imagine a system where Blacks feel ultimately responsible they shudder at the idea. Blaming Whites is a crutch for both Blacks and liberals.

    The other problem is that talented tenthers would be first in line to oppose such a plan. They can pretty much work anywhere thanks to government enforced artificial demand. Have you actually worked in a large business or corporation before? Talented tenthers are traded around like highly paid athletes. Why would someone give that up to live in Blacklandia? When tenthers start making money they move away from Blacks.

    Blacks and egalitarians desire the same society which is one where Whites pretend that race doesn’t exist and Blacks are worshipped. The last thing they want is another petri dish experiment to see if White racism really is indeed the great bugaboo. For this reason the MSM does not like talking about Haiti or Liberia in any context since it leads to uncomfortable questions. The Bantu have had their own country in the Americas since the time of Napoleon and we currently have Haitian refugees at the border that actually walked across a dangerous jungle to get here. Creating a New Haiti is not going to solve our problems and it would only be a matter of time before New Haitians try to escape.

  68. Once again some agency is demanding that the negro primate is equal . Obviously these left wing, mentally ill nuts have never had to associate with any negroes. Had they experienced real negroes, they would know better.

  69. @Guy De Champlagne
    Somewhat off topic, but are there examples of scientists using these statistical techniques to then either engineer or select embryos in lab animals to change the trait they claim these genes are influencing? For instance growing super smart mice by analyzing a bunch of embryos and selecting for the highest polygenic smartness score.

    Replies: @res

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
    @res

    So it's never been studied on animals? People think it will work on humans without it ever having worked on any test animal first?

  70. @Rob
    Progs have map/territory difficulties with “race science.” You know how if you change something on a map, like erase a mountain range, that nothing happens to the real mountain range. It’s still there, it’s just that people using your map get stuck in mountain snowstorms and die.

    The progs do not understand that. They think that if they pretend blacks are as smart and civilized as whites and cancel you for saying differently, then black people will be just as smart and civilized. They don’t realize that their edifice of lies changes neither blacks nor whites. Except for naive whites who get stuck in mountain snowstorms and die.

    It’s a sad situation in several ways. Firstly, the more they lie and hide information, the more respect they lose from normies. Cons have already lost respect for them, thinking progs are either delusional or evil in racial matters. Lying about race is like trying to buy a stock you think is a good buy. The market moves against you, ie the price goes up. The racial information market works the same way. They lie, and the general public becomes ever less credulous. They stop believing you on other things. I’m sure more cons would move to the anthropogenic climate change side if libprogs managed to accurately analyze race, intelligence, crime, and behavior.

    Secondly, by hiding information and refusing to conduct analysis, then once someone realizes emperor, clothes, you know that thing, then they will guess at the magnitude of the difference. I would have guessed that the racial murder rate disparity was at least ten to one, given how shooty blacks are. I would not have included their poor marksmanship in my rough calculation. I do wonder what the racial disparity in (murder + attempted murder + shot bystander) would turn out to be. I’m guessing something like twenty to one? Steve, can you calculate that number from the data you have handy?

    Thirdly, when people do not know the truth, they treat blacks like whites, which is upsetting to both parties. They don’t know that adults are just pretending. For example, when I was a kid/early teen, and black kids told me what they thought about, well, whatever, I would tell them they were stupid. Then I read The Bell Curve, and realized that they really were less intelligent. I never told a black person what they thought was stupid ever again. It was like telling my paternal grandmother, whose mind was very much gone, that her husband was dead. It upset her every time. He told her every time. Why? Why not say, “he’ll be here when he can” or “he’s running late, he’ll be here in about 30 minutes”? She would not remember that in half an hour. He was needlessly upsetting her.

    The parallel with blacks is obvious. Except, they are not old women in nursing homes. Honest feedback would help a great many blacks, but it usually boils down to, “you are not tall enough for this ride, and should consider a different job,” instead, we give AA to eighteen-year-olds who think more highly of themselves than white teenagers. Or we give them AA even earlier, in scholarships to private day or boarding schools and entry into gifted programs, as most tv talking head blacks received, making them think they were just as smart as white scholarship students. Whites at their IQ level would not even get to take the admissions test. Then they are either in over their heads for life, for blacks who are like -2/3σ or 1/3σ, Steve prolly knows, but never to be employed in their field for blacks who are a full sd below their potential colleagues. How does that help? If anything it hurts blacks by prog standards, as now whites throughout the SES spectrum get to see blacks’ flaws up close.

    Nthly, because pretend equality does not equalize, we either have to have lots of blacks in prison; confine a large chunk to totally segregated living spaces, and we have decided to put them in fantastic locations in our most important cities, or integrate large numbers and put up with crime and asocial behavior. We do all three! But we cannot admit to any of this. So we have defund the police and empty the prisons activists. They did not win this time, but it’s a ratchet. If they get a friendly in the office and he releases a million felons, is the next sane governor or prez going to lock them all up again? No! They get to commit spirometer sprees and impregnate females until caught for something.

    Because we cannot admit that black IQ is lower on average, very few people get educated well. By well I mean appropriately for their talents. Remedial classes would be mostly black. And they would act like blacks. White kids would learn nothing and be miserable. Worse, less intelligent whites affect black behavior as protective coloration. None of the kids learn how to navigate society in a way that matches their long-term interests. Every middle range classroom has a couple of blacks who should be in the dumb class but get quota’d in. They make learning very hard for everyone else. They also model bad behavior. They cannot be punished in any meaningful sense with the tools teachers have available. The same applies to the dumb class. The blacks in the gifted class occupy seats that could be filled by more deserving Asians or even whites, but at least are smart enough not to run full speed around the desks, yelling Proto-rap and smacking each one, as was the habit of Darius, a black boy in my 2nd-grade class, before I got moved to a smarter class.

    But if we could face our differences head-on, are gas chambers the inevitable result? For most of history, ethnic groups have recognized their differences and most have lived in different places. In polyethnic societies, they kept to themselves, sometimes living under very different laws, as in the Ottoman Empire. Beyond the taxes the government took, I don’t think there was much transfer of wealth. But the Ottoman Empire was brittle. But is our Empire any less brittle? The founding population is being used as a non-renewable resource. Something must change so that babies are born to intelligent parents, and it has to change soon. The government policy is to try to mix populations and see what the result will be. No effort to assimilate them. Not to mention, do we want people,e assimilating into the prog culture? Indians do so very well. That should give us pause.

    I think freedom of association, voluntary segregation for those who want it, of all races. This would not be segregation as the South had it. That was white supremacist. Blacks would get to have their areas free of whites, even cops, firemen, and EMTs. Blacks who wanted to live in integrated areas with whites (and others) who wanted to live in a Coca-Cola diversity commercial could do that. But they’d be choosing to live with other races, and accepting their faults, just as integrated whites would accept black foibles. Whites who wanted to live with other whites who wanted to live with whites too would be free to do so. They would be much freer than integrated whites. The integrating whites gain nothing, but the only thing they lose is punishing racially introverted whites with non-whites, which is not what they wanted. Right? I mean, that must be right. Diversity was not meant as a punishment.

    It seems to me that the other alternative is what we have today. I don’t think the current system can survive the switch to a heavily black and Hispanic workforce, along with the profusion of non-white Caucasoids, who average about 90 IQ, though their diasporas might be smarter. There are a ton of jobs that the government and corporations are expecting to be filled by intelligent people. But their mothers (who were very smart) were either self-actualizing or caught in an economic vice trying to put fewer kids through the course of honors to land highly placed in the meritocracy. so a lot of those future workers were not born. For a while, those jobs will be filled by people, not smart enough to do the work. Then the jobs will disappear, either moved to Asia or just gone. No one tries to do x because doing x has failed too many times.

    If the market does not keep up with inflation, what happens? The middle class+ will discover that they are not rich. They cannot all sell their stock at once for the marginal price of the stock today. Not without fiscal shenanigans from the fed. Their happiness is the foundation of the consent of the governed this socially liberal, fiscally monstrous current order rests upon. It is a shallow foundation. The Chinese have the concept of a ruler having the Mandate of Heaven. When things go well, you know the mandate is in place, and there is peace. When things go badly, you know the mandate is gone, and their is regime change or disintegration. In America, the markets are the mandate. The sign of the gods’ approval of the government.

    Maybe a smart drug will save us?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon, @Pepe the Frog, @Anonymous, @John Johnson, @res

    I mostly agree (and thanks for putting that together!), but Asians are a significant omission from your analysis.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @res

    Hey res, I did not notice you’re comment. I have only known two Asians at all well. A 3rd(?) Chinese fellow pothead in my dorm st Reed, and a girl I did an internship with. The girl was quite based on the IQ thing, referring to someone as ‘pretty smart for a black guy.” She was from Northern Virginia, her father was an exec at EDS, Perot’s old company. She was smart, but in a very paint by numbers way. She was plenty verbally adept, I think the verbal weakness hurts guys more, but come to think of it, Dormie was pretty talkative. He was from San Francisco, and we never talked race, so I don’t know what he thought. The chick was pretty shallow and materialistic, but she fit right into her peer group, so I don’t think that’s a black mark on Asians, or even her.

    I know something about Asians without knowing many Asians. That is, like Hispanics, they did not come here for blacks. Neither for them the way you’d go to a party for pretty girls nor them in the sense that if you saw someone pushing toddlers into a fire pit, you’d cross the street for them. Asians are here and Chinese presence in Africa is also rising, but I don’t think it’s the same thing at all. Asian immigration to the US is retail. Families spend money to get people here, their chain in. In America, Asian women marry whites. In Africa, Asian men marry blacks. Chinese presence in Africa is driven by the government and corporations and is a long-term resource and territory grab, Asians in America seem to integrate well.

    But, are Asians a long-term factor? Asia’s getting wealthy, fewer will come. The social-climbing of Asians here, coupled with upper-middle-class white norms, have led to very low TFR. That’s why so many Asians are immigrants, though they’ve been immigrating for generations. However, maybe once the Asian cream has risen where they’ll stay in SES, then the women will have larger families? Fisher’s theory of social promotion of the [relatively] infertile comes to mind.

    Honestly, from the assimilated kids of the upper-middle class, they seemed pretty much like white kids. Not everyone has schizo-creativity, nor should they. I think Asians have worked out well so far, excluding all the IP theft and driving Americans out of hard science grad schools, but I think the deluge will end on its own. I could see weighing the IP more heavily. Also the lost factories, but that was not Asian-Americans, by and large.

  71. @for-the-record
    SSGAC added this “I will not” stuff to its FAQ sometimeafter March 22, 2021 and before June 3.

    sometime after April 23, 2021 . . .

    https://archive.is/yyj2R

    Replies: @res

    Thanks. I wonder if the timing had anything to do with publishing their Polygenic Index (PGI) Repository?
    https://www.thessgac.org/pgi-repository

    That happened in the May-June time frame. Note the FAQ link in the June 17th announcement.

    PGI Repository link: https://www.thessgac.org/pgi-repository

    BTW, Emil offered his take on this at
    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2021/09/thou-shallt-not-look-at-the-polygenic-scores/

  72. @John Johnson
    @Anonymous


    Maybe a smart drug will save us?
     
    Yes, this is the hope of the left. They’re praying for science to save them from the dilemma.

    Yea this scenario has been discussed here many times.

    Eventually the left will switch and say that we need to use genetic engineering or a pill to fix inequality. I have even had a liberal admit in a debate that genetic engineering could potentially fix what doesn't actually exist......??? There was also a liberal not long ago that argued we need to use science to make everyone a genius. That would actually be a very bad idea and I shudder at the fact that this was some New Yorker or Atlantic level writer.

    But this will also mean admitting that they have been lying since WW2 and have spent around a trillion on egalitarian fiction.

    I don't think it will work. Whites will be pissed and I don't see Blacks being excited to have these patronizing White egalitarians telling them to take Shot X to fix racism.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There was also a liberal not long ago that argued we need to use science to make everyone a genius. That would actually be a very bad idea…

    Certainly when you examine the behavior of the world’s smartest populations over the last century or two. Beware the best and the brightest!

  73. @John Johnson
    @Anonymous

    No, of course it won’t survive. But a seriously less “democratic” and less prosperous society with a cognitive 10% elite with IQ > 105 might do OK for a long time. See India.

    Turning the US into Brazil 2.0 isn't even the worst case scenario. Such a country could still bumble along. Just be ready for third world standards like WHOOPS didn't filter the city water correctly. Sorry.

    The problem is that numerous African countries are on a crash course with disaster. It's only a matter of time before a country like Nigeria has some major disaster and then millions yes millions of Africans will want to move here.

    The current administration can't even deal with 10k Haitians on the border. Imagine an AOC type president with a left-wing supermajority that was elected in by non-Whites. Such a president will say we have to take in millions because racism/climate change/colonialism.

    That's how they will crash the whole thing. They will take in millions of Africans cause liberal feelz and the rest of the world will dump the dollar. That's really why this non-sense needs to end. Future products of current White liberal lies are the real threat. The most dangerous egalitarian is the one that has power and doesn't understand economics or that White liberals are lying. Someone that lets in millions of Africans thinking they can all be Cosby families now that Whites are a minority and can't hold them back.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Someone that lets in millions of Africans thinking they can all be Cosby families…

    Uhh…

  74. @Rob
    @Pepe the Frog

    I think huge numbers of Americans would choose integrated, but I think they’d sort themselves out, just like people sort today, but officially.

    In a big way, blacks having their own states, or at several contiguous counties, regardless of the health of their economies would be good for them. They could have real economic activity. The output would be their doing, they’d get the benefit of it, and their attitude to work would certainly improve. Living under their governments, maybe they’d consider police and courts as legitimate institutions? Everyone involved would be black, so no racism involved.

    Or we just muddle through forever, I don’t foresee any mass movements of people barring catastrophe

    Replies: @rebel yell

    I think huge numbers of Americans would choose integrated, but I think they’d sort themselves our just like people sort today, but officially.

    Most people would choose integrated, because they believe that individuals should be judged on their individual character, not their group identity. So you choose integrated to avoid unjustly judging individuals.
    But, most people also realize that groups are different and people want the culture of their own group, so they would sort themselves accordingly. Above all they do not want the barbarity that comes with groups of blacks in their neighborhood.
    Integrated only works if:
    1. There is a clear majority culture that sets the norms
    2. Minority cultures are small and infrequent enough to not challenge the majority for control
    3. Blacks are not in the mix, except as infrequent individuals.

  75. @res
    @Rob

    I mostly agree (and thanks for putting that together!), but Asians are a significant omission from your analysis.

    Replies: @Rob

    Hey res, I did not notice you’re comment. I have only known two Asians at all well. A 3rd(?) Chinese fellow pothead in my dorm st Reed, and a girl I did an internship with. The girl was quite based on the IQ thing, referring to someone as ‘pretty smart for a black guy.” She was from Northern Virginia, her father was an exec at EDS, Perot’s old company. She was smart, but in a very paint by numbers way. She was plenty verbally adept, I think the verbal weakness hurts guys more, but come to think of it, Dormie was pretty talkative. He was from San Francisco, and we never talked race, so I don’t know what he thought. The chick was pretty shallow and materialistic, but she fit right into her peer group, so I don’t think that’s a black mark on Asians, or even her.

    [MORE]

    I know something about Asians without knowing many Asians. That is, like Hispanics, they did not come here for blacks. Neither for them the way you’d go to a party for pretty girls nor them in the sense that if you saw someone pushing toddlers into a fire pit, you’d cross the street for them. Asians are here and Chinese presence in Africa is also rising, but I don’t think it’s the same thing at all. Asian immigration to the US is retail. Families spend money to get people here, their chain in. In America, Asian women marry whites. In Africa, Asian men marry blacks. Chinese presence in Africa is driven by the government and corporations and is a long-term resource and territory grab, Asians in America seem to integrate well.

    But, are Asians a long-term factor? Asia’s getting wealthy, fewer will come. The social-climbing of Asians here, coupled with upper-middle-class white norms, have led to very low TFR. That’s why so many Asians are immigrants, though they’ve been immigrating for generations. However, maybe once the Asian cream has risen where they’ll stay in SES, then the women will have larger families? Fisher’s theory of social promotion of the [relatively] infertile comes to mind.

    Honestly, from the assimilated kids of the upper-middle class, they seemed pretty much like white kids. Not everyone has schizo-creativity, nor should they. I think Asians have worked out well so far, excluding all the IP theft and driving Americans out of hard science grad schools, but I think the deluge will end on its own. I could see weighing the IP more heavily. Also the lost factories, but that was not Asian-Americans, by and large.

  76. @res
    @Guy De Champlagne

    The first human baby born from a polygenically screened embryo happened in 2020.
    https://infoproc.blogspot.com/2021/04/first-baby-born-from-polygenically.html
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-17/picking-embryos-with-best-health-odds-sparks-new-dna-debate

    Replies: @Guy De Champlagne

    So it’s never been studied on animals? People think it will work on humans without it ever having worked on any test animal first?

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