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From The Atlantic:

The Astonishing Greatness of Serena Williams

That reminds me of an op-ed by Professor Stephen Jay Gould that the great man published in the Wall Street Journal on September 10, 1998 towards the end of that famous baseball season:

How the New Sultan Of Swat Measures Up

by Stephen Jay Gould

… As a veteran and close student of the 1961 Mantle-Maris derby, I thrill to the detailed similarity of McGwire vs. Sosa. The two Yankees of 1961 embodied different primal myths about great accomplishments: Mantle the deserving hero, working all his life towards his year of destiny; Maris the talented journeyman, enjoying that one sweet interval in each man’s life when everything comes together in some oddly miraculous way. (Maris never hit more than 39 home runs in any other season.) That year, the miracle man won–and shame on his detractors. Fluke or destiny doesn’t matter; Roger Maris did the deed.

Sammy Sosa is this year’s Maris, rising from who-knows-where to challenge the man of destiny. Mark McGwire is this year’s Mantle. Few other players have been so destined, and no one has ever worked harder and more single-mindedly, to harness and fulfill his gifts of brawn. He is the real item, and this is his year. No one, not even Ruth, ever hit more than 50 homers in three successive seasons as McGwire has now done. (But will anyone ever exceed Ruth’s feat of hitting more than 40 home runs in all but two years between 1920 and 1932?)

Though we cheer both Sosa and McGwire–may they each hit at least 70–we nonetheless rightly focus on McGwire for the eerie and awesome quality of his particular excellence. …

McGwire belongs to this most select company of superhuman achievers. He may well hit 70, thus creating the same sweep of empty space that separates DiMaggio and Thorpe from their closest competitors. Moreover, the character of his blasts almost defies belief. Four hundred feet is a long home run; the vast majority of Major League dingers fall between 300 and 400. Well, only 19 of McGwire’s first 62 failed to reach 400 feet (including number 62, which was a mere 341 feet), and several have exceeded 500, a figure previously achieved only once every few years.

When faced with such an exceptional accomplishment, we long to discover particular reasons. But no special cause need be sought beyond the good fortune of many effectively random moments grafted upon the guaranteed achievements of the greatest home-run hitter in the history of baseball.

I don’t care if the thin air of Colorado encourages home runs. I don’t care if expansion has diluted pitching. I don’t care if the ball is livelier and the strike zone smaller. And I especially don’t care if McGwire helps himself train by taking an over-the-counter substance regarded as legal by Major League Baseball. (What cruel nonsense to hold McGwire in any way accountable, simply because we fear that kids may ape him as a role model for an issue entirely outside his call, and within the province of baseball’s rulemakers.)

Mark McGwire has prevailed by creating, in his own person, the ultimate combination of the two great natural forces of luck and effort: the gift of an extraordinary body, with the a steadfast dedication to training and study that can only merit the literal meaning of a wonderful word, enthusiasm, the intake of God.

Right after Stephen Jay Gould and Sports Illustrated and everybody went nuts about how Sosa and McGwire had returned the innocence to the game, etcetera etcetera, I watched a lot of pro wrestling in Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Rock era. It was even more entertaining, and I didn’t have to pretend and get mad like Dr. Gould did at skeptics.

Last year, Michael Steinberger ran a hilarious troll post in the New York Times with pictures of six women tennis players. I’ll run the photos below. This week, the New York Times takes a slightly more worldly look at why Serena doesn’t look like the other women tennis players, blaming it on societal prejudices about body image.

Tennis’s Top Women Balance Body Image With Ambition
By BEN ROTHENBERG JULY 10, 2015

WIMBLEDON, England — While most celebrities go incognito behind a hat and sunglasses, Serena Williams uses a different tactic to blend into a crowd: long sleeves.

During an appearance on Home Shopping Network for her clothing line, Williams said that one particular long-sleeved garment would help her go unnoticed in public.

“My arms are really fit, but I wanted to cover them, because when I do people don’t recognize me as much,” she said.

Williams, who will be vying for the Wimbledon title against Garbiñe Muguruza on Saturday, has large biceps and a mold-breaking muscular frame, which packs the power and athleticism that have dominated women’s tennis for years. Her rivals could try to emulate her physique, but most of them choose not to.

Well, I don’t think many of her European rivals could even try to emulate the lower half of Serena’s physique if they wanted to. But the reporter is getting across, wrapped in concern trolling for European women tennis stars as victims of cultural prejudice against Strong Women the insinuation that Serena is doing something to look like that …

Despite Williams’s success — a victory Saturday would give her 21 Grand Slam singles titles and her fourth in a row — body-image issues among female tennis players persist, compelling many players to avoid bulking up.

Radwanska, who struggled this year before a run to the Wimbledon semifinals, said that any gain in muscle could hurt her trademark speed and finesse, but she also acknowledged that how she looked mattered to her.

“Of course I care about that as well, because I’m a girl,” Radwanska said. “But I also have the genes where I don’t know what I have to do to get bigger, because it’s just not going anywhere.”

For many, perceived ideal feminine body type can seem at odds with the best physique for tennis success. Andrea Petkovic, a German ranked 14th, said she particularly loathed seeing pictures of herself hitting two-handed backhands, when her arm muscles appear the most bulging.

“I just feel unfeminine,” she said. “I don’t know — it’s probably that I’m self-conscious about what people might say. It’s stupid, but it’s insecurities that every woman has, I think. I definitely have them and I’m not ashamed to admit it. I would love to be a confident player that is proud of her body. Women, when we grow up we’ve been judged more, our physicality is judged more, and it makes us self-conscious.”

Petkovic said that people who meet her in person often remark that she is smaller than she looks in photographs and on television.

Which one isn’t like the others?

“People say, ‘Oh, you’re so skinny, I always thought you were huge,’ ” she said. “And then I feel like there are 80 million people in Germany who think I’m a bodybuilder. Then, when they see me in person, they think I’m O.K.”

Williams, 33, who has appeared on the cover of Vogue, is regarded as symbol of beauty by many women. But she has also been gawked at and mocked throughout her career, and she said growing confident and secure in her build was a long process.

“I don’t touch a weight, because I’m already super fit and super cut, and if I even look at weights, I get bigger,” she said. “For years I’ve only done Thera-Bands and things like that, because that’s kind of how I felt. But then I realized that you really have to learn to accept who you are and love who you are. I’m really happy with my body type, and I’m really proud of it. Obviously it works out for me. I talk about it all the time, how it was uncomfortable for someone like me to be in my body.”

Of course, Serena is so confident in her body than in 2011 when an official doping control agent showed up at her SoCal mansion to collect a sample as part of the out-of-competition testing, Serena locked herself in her panic room and refused to give a sample.

By the way, Barry Bonds is back to looking like he did in the 1990s, not like he looked from 2000 onwards.

 
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  1. Dirk Dagger [AKA "Chico Caldera"] says: • Website

    She’s just big boned.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Dirk Dagger


    She’s just big boned.
     
    Well yes, that's part of it, Ray Charles; as her mother, and not-getting-6-hours-of -exercise-a-day, but-still-has-2-" biceps, sister would attest:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=serena+williams+sisters&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=KwyiVcOlFYP2UM-Lj6gJ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1280&bih=606#imgdii=_pRIoSk8mfQH_M%3A%3B_pRIoSk8mfQH_M%3A%3BfEpbsLb1NJKknM%3A&imgrc=_pRIoSk8mfQH_M%3A
  2. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    This is all hard to accept after the MLB travesties. The fans, the players, the industry all know what is what across the sports world. No excuses.

    Besides the extra strength and power — the PEDs enable athletes to recover much quicker. Think about what an advantage that is during a long tournament.

    Drug use to enhance performance is egregious cheating. F them all.

    The same dopes who love to dump on Armstrong are Serena Williams lovers.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Anonymous

    Drug use to enhance performance is egregious cheating.

    I sympathize, but the only way you can do that is to determine what is a drug, which drugs are illegal, and then you have to test for them. Otherwise people will work around the rules to win. They always have.

    Back in the '60's it used to be said that players drank amphetamine spiced drinks. I'm sure that players have always used substances that they thought would give them an edge: including any drugs available, and including, BTW, putting stuff on baseballs.

    But first you have to have rules, testing, and enforcement. And MLB refused to do that until 10 years ago.

    Replies: @Nathan Wartooth

  3. “Williams, 33, who has appeared on the cover of Vogue, is regarded as symbol of beauty by many women.”

    Not necessarily of the human species.

    Btw, if Serena ever wants to be Samson Williams, it’d make more sense than Bruce wanting to be Caitlyn.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    @Anon

    So regarded by who? Did they do actual polling on such a preposterous statement?

  4. How the New Sultan Of Swat Measures Up

    by Stephen Jay Gould

    The Mismeasure of Man indeed…..

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonymous

    Haha. Good one.

  5. Could it be that Gould’s hagiography to McGwire/Sosa is one of generation? In other words, it simply wouldn’t have occurred to an intellectual as himself from the Silent Generation that something could be amiss? And after all, in 1998, PEDS in MLB were admittedly about a half decade from being publicly acknowledged so its quite possible that he wouldn’t have noticed something was amiss. Funny irony, someone whose field of discipline was evolutionary biology and not noticing the vast differences of McGwire/Sosa’s pysiches during their pre -’98 and…bulked up periods. Nothing to see here! Yay baseball! It’s been saved thru diversity (Sosa) and amazing “The Natural” a la Robert Redford good ‘ol small town know how winning out at the end thru hard work and perseverence (Big Mac).

    Regarding Barry Bonds, Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams’ Game of Shadows in their landmark book on BALCO and PEDS in general from the Epilogue, p.268:

    “During spring training of 2005,…in the monologue that followed, Bonds came as close as he ever came to publicly admitting his drug use:

    “All this stuff about supplements, protein shakes, whatever,” Bonds said. “Man, it’s not this is the Olympics. We don’t train four years for like, a ten second [event]. We go 162 games. You’ve got to come back day after day after day. We’re entertainers.

    “If I can’t go out there [to play], and somebody pays $60 for a ticket, and I’m not in the lineup, who’s getting cheated? Not me.

    “There are far worse things like cocaine, heroin, and those types of things.

    “So we all make mistakes. We all do things. We need to turn the page. We need to forget about the past and let us play the game. We’re entertainers. Let us entertain.”

    What about cheating? Bonds was asked.

    “You want to define cheating in America?” he replied. “When they make a shirt in Korea for a dollar fifty and then sell it here for 500 bucks? And you ask me what cheating means? I’ll tell you how I cheat. I cheat because I’m my daddy’s son. He taught me the game. He taught me things nobody else knows. So that’s how I cheat. I’m my daddy’s son.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    If Barry Bonds ever writes a frank autobiography, I'd read it.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Clyde

    , @Geschrei
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    “You want to define cheating in America?” he replied. “When they make a shirt in Korea for a dollar fifty and then sell it here for 500 bucks? And you ask me what cheating means? I’ll tell you how I cheat. I cheat because I’m my daddy’s son. He taught me the game. He taught me things nobody else knows. So that’s how I cheat. I’m my daddy’s son.”
     
    Never saw that particular Bonds quote before - but all of a sudden I have a new respect for the man.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @Marty
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I'm surprised at you Y/Z. What makes you ascribe any significance at all to Bonds's quote about his father? On the face of the record, what could Bobby have taught him? How not to strike out? There's a laugh. One of our Bay Area radio hosts is fond of speculating that Bobby passed on lessons about baseball's racism. But how racist coukd the Giants have been? They brought him up at 19, despite the fact he couldn't hit a curveball. (I'm told, by one of Ernie Broglio's minor league teammates, that the Giants hired the recently retired Broglio to throw Bobby curveballs). They only traded him because he was an alcoholic. Barry has always talked in meaningless riddles. As one writer once revealed, Darryl Strawberry and Eric Davis used to laugh at Bonds for claiming to have grown up rough (Los Altos Hills). The reference to what his father taught him should probably be viewed in the same spirit.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  6. The drooling adulation of people like Stephen Jay Gould — heck, the entire MSM — towards Mark McGwire had a lot to do with Barry Bonds using whatever it was that he used.

    The only thing people need to know is that Big Sports will tolerate anything as long as people keep paying for it. A common thread as it pertains to baseball is that, after the strike in 1994, they and the media just looked the other way for ten years.

    I’m sure that many if not most extraordinary athletes do things that are not completely healthy, and that violate the spirit if not the letter of the applicable laws. I’m not sure what to do about it, either. It seems that either you get athletes who are obviously sacrificing their bodies for short term gains (winning) or else you get an invasive regimen of urine tests.

  7. @Anonymous
    This is all hard to accept after the MLB travesties. The fans, the players, the industry all know what is what across the sports world. No excuses.

    Besides the extra strength and power -- the PEDs enable athletes to recover much quicker. Think about what an advantage that is during a long tournament.

    Drug use to enhance performance is egregious cheating. F them all.

    The same dopes who love to dump on Armstrong are Serena Williams lovers.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    Drug use to enhance performance is egregious cheating.

    I sympathize, but the only way you can do that is to determine what is a drug, which drugs are illegal, and then you have to test for them. Otherwise people will work around the rules to win. They always have.

    Back in the ’60’s it used to be said that players drank amphetamine spiced drinks. I’m sure that players have always used substances that they thought would give them an edge: including any drugs available, and including, BTW, putting stuff on baseballs.

    But first you have to have rules, testing, and enforcement. And MLB refused to do that until 10 years ago.

    • Replies: @Nathan Wartooth
    @SPMoore8

    Supposedly there has been Adderall abuse at video game tournies.

    Before anyone makes fun of eSports, there is a ton of money in some of those tournaments.

  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “‘Hollywood Exes’: Jose Canseco’s Ex-Wife Jessica Says Steroid Use Damaged His Testicles ”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/28/hollywood-exes-jose-canseco-steroids-testicles-video_n_1633315.html

    On “Hollywood Exes” (Wed., 10 p.m. ET on VH1) Jose Canseco’s ex-wife Jessica revealed some extremely intimate secrets about the former MLB star.

    First, Jessica told Nicole Murphy that Jose had fallen on hard times and she was was thinking about letting him move back in with her.

    “I would feel bad as a person if I turned my back on him,” Jessica said, “‘cuz he is family. And he’s the father of my kid.”

    However, after hearing what Jessica went on to say about his testicles, Jose may not want to move in with her.

    In his 2005 book, “Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant ‘Roids, Smash Hits, and How Baseball Got Big,” Jose admitted taking steroids and performance-enhancing drugs. Now, according to Jessica, the steroids caused permanent damage to his body.

    “Jose doesn’t have saggy balls,” Jessica said, “‘cuz he took steroids and it was like, shrinked ’em up. They were so tight!” As Nicole laughed, Jessica went on: “I was like, ‘your walnuts have turned into one peanut, okay?’”

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Anonymous


    “‘Hollywood Exes’: Jose Canseco’s Ex-Wife Jessica Says Steroid Use Damaged His Testicles ”
     
    Well, if his ex-wife says so, it's got to be true. I mean, if you can't believe a famous athlete's ex-wife who can you believe?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Nothing like the direct approach.
    No one can accuse her of modesty and decorum. To think, the Victorians used to put covers on table legs.

  9. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Could it be that Gould's hagiography to McGwire/Sosa is one of generation? In other words, it simply wouldn't have occurred to an intellectual as himself from the Silent Generation that something could be amiss? And after all, in 1998, PEDS in MLB were admittedly about a half decade from being publicly acknowledged so its quite possible that he wouldn't have noticed something was amiss. Funny irony, someone whose field of discipline was evolutionary biology and not noticing the vast differences of McGwire/Sosa's pysiches during their pre -'98 and...bulked up periods. Nothing to see here! Yay baseball! It's been saved thru diversity (Sosa) and amazing "The Natural" a la Robert Redford good 'ol small town know how winning out at the end thru hard work and perseverence (Big Mac).

    Regarding Barry Bonds, Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams' Game of Shadows in their landmark book on BALCO and PEDS in general from the Epilogue, p.268:

    "During spring training of 2005,...in the monologue that followed, Bonds came as close as he ever came to publicly admitting his drug use:

    "All this stuff about supplements, protein shakes, whatever," Bonds said. "Man, it's not this is the Olympics. We don't train four years for like, a ten second [event]. We go 162 games. You've got to come back day after day after day. We're entertainers.

    "If I can't go out there [to play], and somebody pays $60 for a ticket, and I'm not in the lineup, who's getting cheated? Not me.

    "There are far worse things like cocaine, heroin, and those types of things.

    "So we all make mistakes. We all do things. We need to turn the page. We need to forget about the past and let us play the game. We're entertainers. Let us entertain."

    What about cheating? Bonds was asked.

    "You want to define cheating in America?" he replied. "When they make a shirt in Korea for a dollar fifty and then sell it here for 500 bucks? And you ask me what cheating means? I'll tell you how I cheat. I cheat because I'm my daddy's son. He taught me the game. He taught me things nobody else knows. So that's how I cheat. I'm my daddy's son."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Geschrei, @Marty

    If Barry Bonds ever writes a frank autobiography, I’d read it.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    It would then be interesting to find out the identity of his ghost writer.

    By the way, NY Post has taken Nike to task over the WNT's World Cup uniforms: Black and White with neon yellow and green. NO USA colors like in the Olympics. A repeat of the '11 WC when the WNT didn't wear the American colors on their uniforms. Nike is the major Women's WC sponsor and so....

    What Nike wants, Nike gets. Yay USA! But no USA colors on the uniforms.

    , @Clyde
    @Steve Sailer


    If Barry Bonds ever writes a frank autobiography, I’d read it.
     
    As likely as Mick Jagger. As far as Serena Williams, I cannot bring myself to watch any tennis she is in. Dittos for her sister, though I give them credit for coming so far in a white sport.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  10. The summer McGuire and Sosa were chasing Maris my friends and I went to Cards games around the country. It was a good excuse to see baseball and hang out together, since we live in different cities. The funny thing about that summer is no one in the sporting press talked about steroids, even though fans assumed they were doing something. The jock sniffers in the press often argued that steroids were bad for baseball players, suggesting it was unlikely there was a problem.

    Luckily the sabermetrics caught the obvious anomalies.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @The Z Blog

    The leading sabermetricians were remarkably silent about steroids.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @The Z Blog, @Honesthughgrant

  11. GW says:

    The year following the great home run chase McGwire and Sosa were back at it again cranking out over 60 HRs each. I was in Colorado when the Cardinals were in town and saw McGwire hit balls off the left field scoreboard during pre-game batting practice–something I can safely say will never happen again.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @GW

    The shots hit during the 1999 Home RunDerby at Fenway were of a distance I hadn't seen before nor since, and I've been going to Red Sox games since the mid-Sixties.

  12. @The Z Blog
    The summer McGuire and Sosa were chasing Maris my friends and I went to Cards games around the country. It was a good excuse to see baseball and hang out together, since we live in different cities. The funny thing about that summer is no one in the sporting press talked about steroids, even though fans assumed they were doing something. The jock sniffers in the press often argued that steroids were bad for baseball players, suggesting it was unlikely there was a problem.

    Luckily the sabermetrics caught the obvious anomalies.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The leading sabermetricians were remarkably silent about steroids.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Looking at you, Bill James. And Nate Silver. And Grantland....

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    , @The Z Blog
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, I was being snarky. It's a similar story with economics. They have a habit of missing all of the important stuff.

    , @Honesthughgrant
    @Steve Sailer

    Any reason why James was so deliberately obtuse about the steroid use? I noticed the same thing with the local liberal sports talk guys. They didn't want to talk about steroids in the late 90s and even today they defend Bonds and want him in the Hall of Fame.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Boomstick

  13. prosa123 [AKA "Peter"] says: • Website

    Williams did not merely flee to her panic room when the drug testers showed up at her door. She also called 911 to report a home invasion in progress. The hapless testers were lucky they weren’t shot.
    Allegedly, the 911 call was a way of buying time so that Williams’ handlers could whisk her away into hiding. She didn’t reappear for several days, long enough for most drugs to leave her system.

    Note: Bonds still has an unusually large head.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @prosa123

    If you set your business on fire to collect the insurance money and one of the firemen falls through the roof and dies, you get charged with murder.

    If you falsely call the cops about an intruder and they shoot somebody innocent, is that illegal?

    Replies: @Nathan Wartooth, @Whiskey

    , @anon
    @prosa123

    Do you have any link about her not giving a sample for a few days? I've never heard that before. Though, to be honest, I don't really follow tennis.

    And, to this lay person, her locking herself in a panic room because she thought the drug tester was a possible intruder sounds like a halfway decent, plausible cover story.

    Replies: @5371

    , @silviosilver
    @prosa123

    Sheesh, to go to all that trouble when a simple accusation that the drug test was racist because white people couldn't stand to see a woman and Person of Color succeed in a white male dominated sport would have amply sufficed. Really, the fact that no one had informed of her right to make this accusation just proves how fundamentally racist and sexist America is.

    , @Alfa158
    @prosa123

    I saw a recent TV ad with Serena in it and I was struck by how massive her facial bones were. Large volumes of juice cause the facial bones to resume growing, this is why many people like Arnold who juice develop agap between their front teeth . The two side of your teeth are moved apart as the jaw grows and spreads.
    Most black people have larger facial bone structures than whites so it is harder to tell. The giveaway would be if a careful comparison between her face early in her adult career and now shows a visible change.

  14. I look at her and wonder if Tyson decided to go trans.

  15. @prosa123
    Williams did not merely flee to her panic room when the drug testers showed up at her door. She also called 911 to report a home invasion in progress. The hapless testers were lucky they weren't shot.
    Allegedly, the 911 call was a way of buying time so that Williams' handlers could whisk her away into hiding. She didn't reappear for several days, long enough for most drugs to leave her system.

    Note: Bonds still has an unusually large head.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon, @silviosilver, @Alfa158

    If you set your business on fire to collect the insurance money and one of the firemen falls through the roof and dies, you get charged with murder.

    If you falsely call the cops about an intruder and they shoot somebody innocent, is that illegal?

    • Replies: @Nathan Wartooth
    @Steve Sailer

    I'm not sure, but SWATing has become a big issue lately. Basically someone would report a hostage situation at a house by using an anonymous phone call and then the SWAT team bashes down their door and secures the house or apartment.

    People have gotten hurt, but I'm not sure how the justice system deals with that when the catch the guy.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @Whiskey
    @Steve Sailer

    No. There us a case in LA, a Hispanic food truck owner called in a robbery, asserting the robbers two Vibrant teens, were armed with guns. Police shot one, and as it turned out, the vibrants were not armed. Victim was charged with manslaughter, pled out. Black ALWAYS trumps Hispanic.
    ,.......
    Womens tennis featuring linebacker like Williams sisters has deteriorated in ratings and money since their rise. Women don't like watching them.

  16. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    If Barry Bonds ever writes a frank autobiography, I'd read it.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Clyde

    It would then be interesting to find out the identity of his ghost writer.

    By the way, NY Post has taken Nike to task over the WNT’s World Cup uniforms: Black and White with neon yellow and green. NO USA colors like in the Olympics. A repeat of the ’11 WC when the WNT didn’t wear the American colors on their uniforms. Nike is the major Women’s WC sponsor and so….

    What Nike wants, Nike gets. Yay USA! But no USA colors on the uniforms.

  17. @SPMoore8
    @Anonymous

    Drug use to enhance performance is egregious cheating.

    I sympathize, but the only way you can do that is to determine what is a drug, which drugs are illegal, and then you have to test for them. Otherwise people will work around the rules to win. They always have.

    Back in the '60's it used to be said that players drank amphetamine spiced drinks. I'm sure that players have always used substances that they thought would give them an edge: including any drugs available, and including, BTW, putting stuff on baseballs.

    But first you have to have rules, testing, and enforcement. And MLB refused to do that until 10 years ago.

    Replies: @Nathan Wartooth

    Supposedly there has been Adderall abuse at video game tournies.

    Before anyone makes fun of eSports, there is a ton of money in some of those tournaments.

  18. @Steve Sailer
    @prosa123

    If you set your business on fire to collect the insurance money and one of the firemen falls through the roof and dies, you get charged with murder.

    If you falsely call the cops about an intruder and they shoot somebody innocent, is that illegal?

    Replies: @Nathan Wartooth, @Whiskey

    I’m not sure, but SWATing has become a big issue lately. Basically someone would report a hostage situation at a house by using an anonymous phone call and then the SWAT team bashes down their door and secures the house or apartment.

    People have gotten hurt, but I’m not sure how the justice system deals with that when the catch the guy.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Nathan Wartooth

    There was a recent hoax-story about a SWATter getting a 25-year sentence. However, as far as I know the following story in which a SWATter got a five-year sentence is true:

    http://www.gamespot.com/articles/arrested-swatter-faces-maximum-five-year-prison-se/1100-6425220/

  19. @Steve Sailer
    @The Z Blog

    The leading sabermetricians were remarkably silent about steroids.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @The Z Blog, @Honesthughgrant

    Looking at you, Bill James. And Nate Silver. And Grantland….

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    And Michael Lewis.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    And Michael Lewis.

  20. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Looking at you, Bill James. And Nate Silver. And Grantland....

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    And Michael Lewis.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    And Michael Lewis.

    How about Keith Olbermann? Where did he come down on this issue before it all came crashing down?

  21. Apparently even black men think that the Williams sisters are a bit masculine.

  22. @Steve Sailer
    @The Z Blog

    The leading sabermetricians were remarkably silent about steroids.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @The Z Blog, @Honesthughgrant

    Yeah, I was being snarky. It’s a similar story with economics. They have a habit of missing all of the important stuff.

  23. • Replies: @5371
    @Anon

    The word "canard" is never used in modern English without "anti-semitic" immediately before it.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  24. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    If Barry Bonds ever writes a frank autobiography, I'd read it.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Clyde

    If Barry Bonds ever writes a frank autobiography, I’d read it.

    As likely as Mick Jagger. As far as Serena Williams, I cannot bring myself to watch any tennis she is in. Dittos for her sister, though I give them credit for coming so far in a white sport.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Clyde


    Dittos for her sister, though I give them credit for coming so far in a white sport.
     
    I can watch Venus, but not Serena. I cannot wait until her reign is over.

    But yeah, they deserve enormous credit for how far they've come in a white sport, what with all the racist white privilege barriers the tennis establishment and the sports media keep putting in black people's way.
  25. There are people who are just 1 in a million talents. Serena could be one. I have met black men who never worked out and yet they are just astonishingly powerful. You see a lot of big black women. Who is to say that Serena is not one. As for the drug test, maybe cocaine or weed.

    • Replies: @e
    @jeff

    Seriously? Women reach their full height and body type fairly early compared to men. Go back and look at the teen Serena, the early 20 Serena, the late 20 Serena, etc.

    Do you recall the young, tall, thin, but powerful Martina Navratilova before she began using?

    Replies: @jeff, @MarkinLA

    , @Unladen Swallow
    @jeff

    She looked washed up 9-10 years ago, she was overweight and visibly out of shape, so much so that during one of the Australian Opens she was mocked by Australian and British tabloids pretty strongly in a way that would be inconceivable by any American newspaper, even the supermarket tabloids.

    There is also her age to consider, it's rare for a male tennis player to still be competitive at her age, much less be dominant like the way she has been this year, for a woman it is unheard of, and has another poster pointed out, African women mature faster than European women and Asian women, meaning they hit their physical peak at a younger age on average. Steffi Graf was still very good at age 30, but she was not dominating the tour at 30 like she was between the ages of 19-25, Serena is, and Steffi retired at 30, Serena is now 33.

    Furthermore Graf was still good because she was incredibly fit and still had some of her legendary speed left, Serena doesn't move much, she just flat out overpowers her pixie like opponents from the baseline with massive upper body strength. Her cardiovascular stamina seems far less than in her younger days but her upper body strength is undiminished and may be even greater. Look at her sister, she last hasn't won a grand slam since 2007, and hasn't been competitive in a long time and is constantly beset with injuries, and yet at a time when most great male players are washed up, or at least noticeably less good than in their better days she has won the first 3 grand slams of year in dominating fashion.

    Recall last year she wasn't even competitive in the same first three slams of the year, and only salvaged her season with winning the last one, the US Open. This year she dominated the same tournaments at age where most even great female players are long since retired. Seems a bit suspicious don't you think?

    Replies: @Truth, @Jeff

    , @Deduction
    @jeff

    They are liars...and they are on steroids. I have met a few. It's like one massive lie - about the gym - is told in order to cover the small lie.

  26. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123
    Williams did not merely flee to her panic room when the drug testers showed up at her door. She also called 911 to report a home invasion in progress. The hapless testers were lucky they weren't shot.
    Allegedly, the 911 call was a way of buying time so that Williams' handlers could whisk her away into hiding. She didn't reappear for several days, long enough for most drugs to leave her system.

    Note: Bonds still has an unusually large head.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon, @silviosilver, @Alfa158

    Do you have any link about her not giving a sample for a few days? I’ve never heard that before. Though, to be honest, I don’t really follow tennis.

    And, to this lay person, her locking herself in a panic room because she thought the drug tester was a possible intruder sounds like a halfway decent, plausible cover story.

    • Replies: @5371
    @anon

    Mo Farah's "my house is so huge that I can't hear my doorbell" is another memorable excuse for not answering the drug tester's call.

  27. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Sailer and Heartiste should do a duo-HBD-column about the interesting phenomenon discussed in the NYT column above: most women athletes not wanting to bulk up too much because it, unlike for men, tends to diminish their overall sexual market value.

    There seems to be a real confusing balancing act many women athletes have to work through between increasing their SMV by getting strong enough to get rich and famous via sports but not so strong they become less feminine looking.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    @anon

    "There seems to be a real confusing balancing act many women athletes have to work through between increasing their SMV by getting strong enough to get rich and famous via sports but not so strong they become less feminine looking."

    I think it is a pocketbook issue too. Anna Kournikova did really well for herself even if she didn't have a hall of fame career.

    Seems to me that sex appeal really has more earnings power than being some kind of all time champion.

    I think this differs greatly for men. But in the end, most of the money from endorsement deals comes from women in this area. So whose fault is it exactly if it is unfair?

    I imagine having smashing good looks and enough talent to stay in tournaments relatively lately is a winning combo, even if you don't win. The camera will find you, trust me.

    Heck not winning might be a marketing tool. "Will So-and-So finally break through at blank this year?"

    Replies: @jack o'fire

    , @MarkinLA
    @anon

    Anna Kournikova made a ton more money from her looks than her tennis. Too bad she never did a Playboy spread it would have been worth a fortune by itself.

    Replies: @Forbes

  28. @Nathan Wartooth
    @Steve Sailer

    I'm not sure, but SWATing has become a big issue lately. Basically someone would report a hostage situation at a house by using an anonymous phone call and then the SWAT team bashes down their door and secures the house or apartment.

    People have gotten hurt, but I'm not sure how the justice system deals with that when the catch the guy.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    There was a recent hoax-story about a SWATter getting a 25-year sentence. However, as far as I know the following story in which a SWATter got a five-year sentence is true:

    http://www.gamespot.com/articles/arrested-swatter-faces-maximum-five-year-prison-se/1100-6425220/

  29. @Anonymous

    How the New Sultan Of Swat Measures Up

    by Stephen Jay Gould
     
    The Mismeasure of Man indeed.....

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Haha. Good one.

  30. >And, to this lay person, her locking herself in a panic room because she thought the drug tester was a possible intruder sounds like a halfway decent, plausible cover story.<

    i, too, like unicorn fables about professional athletes.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @newrouter

    Saddle up the unicorn:

    http://nypost.com/2011/11/02/serena-williams-locks-herself-in-panic-room-in-drug-test-mix-up/

    I like how it's delicately referred to as a "mix-up".

    , @Brutusale
    @newrouter

    More:

    http://www.sportsgrid.com/uncategorized/serena-williams-panic-room/

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/08/tennis-has-a-doping-problem.html

  31. anon • Disclaimer says:

    How much of Steven Jay Gould’s supposed great love of baseball is bona fide and how much was a PR move to increase his everyguy appeal and sell more books and increase his political/social sway?

    His very flabby, round-shouldered later-years appearance sure doesn’t look like he ever could have competed in athletic endeavor at any point in his life. Unless he just really flabbed up in his later years.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    In contrast, Bill James must have looked great in a uniform.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Anonymous
    @anon

    I'm assuming you're not American and have primarily heard about Gould through HBD and right-wing blogs? Because to an American, the fact that Gould was a huge baseball fan isn't remotely unusual. In fact, it'd be unusual if a guy from Queens born in the 40s wasn't a huge baseball fan. You'd have to be pretty out of touch with American culture to speculate that his baseball fandom was some sort of ploy.

  32. @Steve Sailer
    @The Z Blog

    The leading sabermetricians were remarkably silent about steroids.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @The Z Blog, @Honesthughgrant

    Any reason why James was so deliberately obtuse about the steroid use? I noticed the same thing with the local liberal sports talk guys. They didn’t want to talk about steroids in the late 90s and even today they defend Bonds and want him in the Hall of Fame.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Honesthughgrant

    Bill James got hired by the Boston Red Sox front office in 2003. Would he have been if he'd been writing about how stats show it's obvious that some funny business is going on?

    , @Boomstick
    @Honesthughgrant

    Much of the silence was for reasons of access and libel law. An athlete has a lot of control over who he will and won't grant interviews to. Say the wrong thing and you won't get many. Get too specific about speculations and you could wind up in court.

  33. @anon
    How much of Steven Jay Gould's supposed great love of baseball is bona fide and how much was a PR move to increase his everyguy appeal and sell more books and increase his political/social sway?

    His very flabby, round-shouldered later-years appearance sure doesn't look like he ever could have competed in athletic endeavor at any point in his life. Unless he just really flabbed up in his later years. http://static.newworldencyclopedia.org/d/d5/Stephen_Jay_Gould.png

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    In contrast, Bill James must have looked great in a uniform.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Steve Sailer

    It's true there are probably a lot of sports fans, especially baseball fans, who are not themselves very athletic, but I think I mostly asked because I think I saw in Ken Burns Baseball series on PBS interviews with elite media/cultural/political people like Doris Kearns Goodwin and maybe Gould himself declaring their everlasting love for baseball.

    And I remember Goodwin in particular telling a story about the epic choke of her 'beloved' Red Sox in the 6th game of the 86 Series and her not even watching the 7th game because she knew they were doomed or something like that. What kind of epic fan wouldn't watch their team in the 7th game, even if they suspected a loss. She probably just thought she had more important things to do with her time since she was a big muckedy-muck history writer.

    In other words, Burns used these big, important cultural people to sell his excruciatingly long baseball saga to PBS viewers on 'see, this isn't just a bunch of overgrown adolescents wasting their time watching some kids' game, this is culturally important" grounds, and the big political/cultural people used the Burns series and (other outlets like the Gould article above) to get their 'we're not stuffy, we're everyguys and girls' cred to, like I said, sell more books.

    (Bill James, I think, was just a security guard or something when he started his sabermetrics thing. So it isn't like he had any other readily available route to increase his societal sway at the time. So getting heavy into baseball wouldn't seem near the time waste it would to Goodwin, Gould.)

    But I guess, everybody, even science people, must have some kind of escapist diversion to use up some of their time. Maybe baseball really was Gould's

  34. @jeff
    There are people who are just 1 in a million talents. Serena could be one. I have met black men who never worked out and yet they are just astonishingly powerful. You see a lot of big black women. Who is to say that Serena is not one. As for the drug test, maybe cocaine or weed.

    Replies: @e, @Unladen Swallow, @Deduction

    Seriously? Women reach their full height and body type fairly early compared to men. Go back and look at the teen Serena, the early 20 Serena, the late 20 Serena, etc.

    Do you recall the young, tall, thin, but powerful Martina Navratilova before she began using?

    • Replies: @jeff
    @e

    Yeah, I just looked. Doesn't look like she is much bigger than one might expect from normal training plus the natural changes women experience as they get older. First, a ton of women go from tiny teens to bigger-boned at 31. So maybe consider that aspect as one reason for the body changes. Second she was pretty big by 2004, but not so big that we cannot rule out that natural training was the result. You have to consider that some people of West African descent can just put on the beef. They can pack-on in days/weeks, what others need a year or more to achieve. There are lots of black people that put on bulk quickly. Serena could be, and based on her comments (contra the German chick in the same article) is one such person. The drugs thing could easily be something besides steroids.

    Replies: @Deduction

    , @MarkinLA
    @e

    Gabriela Sabatini was super-hot in her teens and early twenties but couldn't win a major. She packed on some bulk but never won anyway. Probably lost a lot of money not being so sexy.

  35. PED’s are part of pro-sports. If you want top players to perform at their best as Bonds says for over hundred games a season, well, you gotta have some powerful methods of recovery and to keep at the top of your game.

    And like he said they are “entertainers” at heart that’s what pro sports is – entertainment for the masses and you gotta be at your best.

    As for the Williams sister(s) they are anything but feminine. They look like roided up female powerlifters. The only reason they haven’t been exposed like Armstrong is because they are black and female.

  36. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Looking at you, Bill James. And Nate Silver. And Grantland....

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    And Michael Lewis.

  37. @Honesthughgrant
    @Steve Sailer

    Any reason why James was so deliberately obtuse about the steroid use? I noticed the same thing with the local liberal sports talk guys. They didn't want to talk about steroids in the late 90s and even today they defend Bonds and want him in the Hall of Fame.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Boomstick

    Bill James got hired by the Boston Red Sox front office in 2003. Would he have been if he’d been writing about how stats show it’s obvious that some funny business is going on?

  38. @e
    @jeff

    Seriously? Women reach their full height and body type fairly early compared to men. Go back and look at the teen Serena, the early 20 Serena, the late 20 Serena, etc.

    Do you recall the young, tall, thin, but powerful Martina Navratilova before she began using?

    Replies: @jeff, @MarkinLA

    Yeah, I just looked. Doesn’t look like she is much bigger than one might expect from normal training plus the natural changes women experience as they get older. First, a ton of women go from tiny teens to bigger-boned at 31. So maybe consider that aspect as one reason for the body changes. Second she was pretty big by 2004, but not so big that we cannot rule out that natural training was the result. You have to consider that some people of West African descent can just put on the beef. They can pack-on in days/weeks, what others need a year or more to achieve. There are lots of black people that put on bulk quickly. Serena could be, and based on her comments (contra the German chick in the same article) is one such person. The drugs thing could easily be something besides steroids.

    • Replies: @Deduction
    @jeff

    You are painfully naive about the world around you. Serena is on steroids, anyone ever involved in decent level athletic pursuits could tell you.

    Nor do West Africans magically bulk up in weeks. I know this for the same reason as above.

  39. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Could it be that Gould's hagiography to McGwire/Sosa is one of generation? In other words, it simply wouldn't have occurred to an intellectual as himself from the Silent Generation that something could be amiss? And after all, in 1998, PEDS in MLB were admittedly about a half decade from being publicly acknowledged so its quite possible that he wouldn't have noticed something was amiss. Funny irony, someone whose field of discipline was evolutionary biology and not noticing the vast differences of McGwire/Sosa's pysiches during their pre -'98 and...bulked up periods. Nothing to see here! Yay baseball! It's been saved thru diversity (Sosa) and amazing "The Natural" a la Robert Redford good 'ol small town know how winning out at the end thru hard work and perseverence (Big Mac).

    Regarding Barry Bonds, Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams' Game of Shadows in their landmark book on BALCO and PEDS in general from the Epilogue, p.268:

    "During spring training of 2005,...in the monologue that followed, Bonds came as close as he ever came to publicly admitting his drug use:

    "All this stuff about supplements, protein shakes, whatever," Bonds said. "Man, it's not this is the Olympics. We don't train four years for like, a ten second [event]. We go 162 games. You've got to come back day after day after day. We're entertainers.

    "If I can't go out there [to play], and somebody pays $60 for a ticket, and I'm not in the lineup, who's getting cheated? Not me.

    "There are far worse things like cocaine, heroin, and those types of things.

    "So we all make mistakes. We all do things. We need to turn the page. We need to forget about the past and let us play the game. We're entertainers. Let us entertain."

    What about cheating? Bonds was asked.

    "You want to define cheating in America?" he replied. "When they make a shirt in Korea for a dollar fifty and then sell it here for 500 bucks? And you ask me what cheating means? I'll tell you how I cheat. I cheat because I'm my daddy's son. He taught me the game. He taught me things nobody else knows. So that's how I cheat. I'm my daddy's son."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Geschrei, @Marty

    “You want to define cheating in America?” he replied. “When they make a shirt in Korea for a dollar fifty and then sell it here for 500 bucks? And you ask me what cheating means? I’ll tell you how I cheat. I cheat because I’m my daddy’s son. He taught me the game. He taught me things nobody else knows. So that’s how I cheat. I’m my daddy’s son.”

    Never saw that particular Bonds quote before – but all of a sudden I have a new respect for the man.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Geschrei


    Never saw that particular Bonds quote before – but all of a sudden I have a new respect for the man.
     
    Why?
  40. Bonds in tight-fitting clothing recently:

    Drugs in bike racing has probably gotten a bit better in the last few years. Times on some climbs frequently used in the Tour de France have dropped back down to about those of the late 80’s after the patently absurd performances of the 90’s and oughts.

  41. I’m surprised no one has mentioned this yet:

    http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/11/serena-williams-jk-rowling-tweet

    “J.K. Rowling shuts down a Serena Williams hater with one perfect tweet”

    This one is right up your alley, Steve. Surprised you have not commented on it yet. The reader comments are priceless. SJW feeding frenzy.

  42. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    How much of Steven Jay Gould's supposed great love of baseball is bona fide and how much was a PR move to increase his everyguy appeal and sell more books and increase his political/social sway?

    His very flabby, round-shouldered later-years appearance sure doesn't look like he ever could have competed in athletic endeavor at any point in his life. Unless he just really flabbed up in his later years. http://static.newworldencyclopedia.org/d/d5/Stephen_Jay_Gould.png

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    I’m assuming you’re not American and have primarily heard about Gould through HBD and right-wing blogs? Because to an American, the fact that Gould was a huge baseball fan isn’t remotely unusual. In fact, it’d be unusual if a guy from Queens born in the 40s wasn’t a huge baseball fan. You’d have to be pretty out of touch with American culture to speculate that his baseball fandom was some sort of ploy.

  43. @Honesthughgrant
    @Steve Sailer

    Any reason why James was so deliberately obtuse about the steroid use? I noticed the same thing with the local liberal sports talk guys. They didn't want to talk about steroids in the late 90s and even today they defend Bonds and want him in the Hall of Fame.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Boomstick

    Much of the silence was for reasons of access and libel law. An athlete has a lot of control over who he will and won’t grant interviews to. Say the wrong thing and you won’t get many. Get too specific about speculations and you could wind up in court.

  44. @Steve Sailer
    @prosa123

    If you set your business on fire to collect the insurance money and one of the firemen falls through the roof and dies, you get charged with murder.

    If you falsely call the cops about an intruder and they shoot somebody innocent, is that illegal?

    Replies: @Nathan Wartooth, @Whiskey

    No. There us a case in LA, a Hispanic food truck owner called in a robbery, asserting the robbers two Vibrant teens, were armed with guns. Police shot one, and as it turned out, the vibrants were not armed. Victim was charged with manslaughter, pled out. Black ALWAYS trumps Hispanic.
    ,…….
    Womens tennis featuring linebacker like Williams sisters has deteriorated in ratings and money since their rise. Women don’t like watching them.

  45. Yes, but what difference at this point does it make? Serena may have won her last punch bowl at Wimbledon Downs. Now that Bruce Jenner has introduced the World of Sports to World War T, she’s yesterday’s news. Those desperate homos that need more recruits for their tiny and insignificant political movement have embraced fully those weirdo men who like wearing dresses. For Serena, its the end of her career. Even though she took Hulk Hogan’s advice and takes Vitamin S, she’s still gonna get trounced by the “women” who are transgendered. When she has to hit balls with guys on the other side of the net, she’s going to be the Women’s tennis version of Tiger Woods. The token dark skinned aflete that ESPN yammers about but gets tossed in the first round. If she was White, she could do what Chyna from The WWE did, and get plastic surgery and go into porn, but she doesn’t even look White does she? She can take solace that female black celebrities have their own special retirement plan involving drugs and a bathtub.

  46. I can’t watch Serena either. Every time I see her crushing some pale wan little white sprite, I think of Blake’s great painting of Cyclops devouring Odessa’s men. Gives me the hebie-jeebies!

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Otto the P


    I can’t watch Serena either. Every time I see her crushing some pale wan little white sprite, I think of Blake’s great painting of Cyclops devouring Odessa’s men. Gives me the hebie-jeebies!
     
    Yes, Truth is known for being cruel and heartless, but I too feel for these poor innocent Alabaster waifs:

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_r_b0tWS_OwQ/SaC7dzCFuGI/AAAAAAAAABE/MZoCezmbiZ4/s320/mauresmo.jpg

    http://iranian.com/Anyway/2004/May/Images/jen.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Samantha_Stosur_Roland_Garros_2013_cropped.jpg

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_r_b0tWS_OwQ/SaD82nZJCjI/AAAAAAAAACs/qPhNxXJUT-w/s320/marionbartoli.jpg

    http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--rM9roKnE--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/17oupwmxjt7aojpg.jpg

    http://www.tennisbetsite.com/uploaded_images/mattek01-765161.jpg

    Replies: @San Franciscan non-monk, @Big Bill, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...

  47. @anon
    Sailer and Heartiste should do a duo-HBD-column about the interesting phenomenon discussed in the NYT column above: most women athletes not wanting to bulk up too much because it, unlike for men, tends to diminish their overall sexual market value.

    There seems to be a real confusing balancing act many women athletes have to work through between increasing their SMV by getting strong enough to get rich and famous via sports but not so strong they become less feminine looking.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @MarkinLA

    “There seems to be a real confusing balancing act many women athletes have to work through between increasing their SMV by getting strong enough to get rich and famous via sports but not so strong they become less feminine looking.”

    I think it is a pocketbook issue too. Anna Kournikova did really well for herself even if she didn’t have a hall of fame career.

    Seems to me that sex appeal really has more earnings power than being some kind of all time champion.

    I think this differs greatly for men. But in the end, most of the money from endorsement deals comes from women in this area. So whose fault is it exactly if it is unfair?

    I imagine having smashing good looks and enough talent to stay in tournaments relatively lately is a winning combo, even if you don’t win. The camera will find you, trust me.

    Heck not winning might be a marketing tool. “Will So-and-So finally break through at blank this year?”

    • Replies: @jack o'fire
    @Sunbeam

    *CoughDanica  Patrick   *Cough*

  48. @Anonymous
    "'Hollywood Exes': Jose Canseco's Ex-Wife Jessica Says Steroid Use Damaged His Testicles "

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/28/hollywood-exes-jose-canseco-steroids-testicles-video_n_1633315.html

    On "Hollywood Exes" (Wed., 10 p.m. ET on VH1) Jose Canseco's ex-wife Jessica revealed some extremely intimate secrets about the former MLB star.

    First, Jessica told Nicole Murphy that Jose had fallen on hard times and she was was thinking about letting him move back in with her.

    "I would feel bad as a person if I turned my back on him," Jessica said, "'cuz he is family. And he's the father of my kid."

    However, after hearing what Jessica went on to say about his testicles, Jose may not want to move in with her.

    In his 2005 book, "Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits, and How Baseball Got Big," Jose admitted taking steroids and performance-enhancing drugs. Now, according to Jessica, the steroids caused permanent damage to his body.

    "Jose doesn’t have saggy balls," Jessica said, "'cuz he took steroids and it was like, shrinked 'em up. They were so tight!" As Nicole laughed, Jessica went on: "I was like, 'your walnuts have turned into one peanut, okay?'"
     

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Anonymous

    “‘Hollywood Exes’: Jose Canseco’s Ex-Wife Jessica Says Steroid Use Damaged His Testicles ”

    Well, if his ex-wife says so, it’s got to be true. I mean, if you can’t believe a famous athlete’s ex-wife who can you believe?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @silviosilver

    Well she was talking to a fellow celebrity-ex wife, and it was in the context of her implying that they were on good terms and that she was thinking of letting him move in to her house after he had fallen on hard times.

  49. I can’t watch Serena either. When she dismembers some poor wan frail white sprite it reminds me of Goya’s painting of Saturn Devouring his Sons. Hideous, Gives me the creeps.

  50. Any sports where a failure to take a drug test is booked as a positive sign of drug use?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Kent Gatewood

    Tennis is supposed to be like that.

  51. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    In contrast, Bill James must have looked great in a uniform.

    Replies: @anon

    It’s true there are probably a lot of sports fans, especially baseball fans, who are not themselves very athletic, but I think I mostly asked because I think I saw in Ken Burns Baseball series on PBS interviews with elite media/cultural/political people like Doris Kearns Goodwin and maybe Gould himself declaring their everlasting love for baseball.

    And I remember Goodwin in particular telling a story about the epic choke of her ‘beloved’ Red Sox in the 6th game of the 86 Series and her not even watching the 7th game because she knew they were doomed or something like that. What kind of epic fan wouldn’t watch their team in the 7th game, even if they suspected a loss. She probably just thought she had more important things to do with her time since she was a big muckedy-muck history writer.

    In other words, Burns used these big, important cultural people to sell his excruciatingly long baseball saga to PBS viewers on ‘see, this isn’t just a bunch of overgrown adolescents wasting their time watching some kids’ game, this is culturally important” grounds, and the big political/cultural people used the Burns series and (other outlets like the Gould article above) to get their ‘we’re not stuffy, we’re everyguys and girls’ cred to, like I said, sell more books.

    (Bill James, I think, was just a security guard or something when he started his sabermetrics thing. So it isn’t like he had any other readily available route to increase his societal sway at the time. So getting heavy into baseball wouldn’t seem near the time waste it would to Goodwin, Gould.)

    But I guess, everybody, even science people, must have some kind of escapist diversion to use up some of their time. Maybe baseball really was Gould’s

  52. Marty [AKA "Coot Veal or Cot Deal"] says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Could it be that Gould's hagiography to McGwire/Sosa is one of generation? In other words, it simply wouldn't have occurred to an intellectual as himself from the Silent Generation that something could be amiss? And after all, in 1998, PEDS in MLB were admittedly about a half decade from being publicly acknowledged so its quite possible that he wouldn't have noticed something was amiss. Funny irony, someone whose field of discipline was evolutionary biology and not noticing the vast differences of McGwire/Sosa's pysiches during their pre -'98 and...bulked up periods. Nothing to see here! Yay baseball! It's been saved thru diversity (Sosa) and amazing "The Natural" a la Robert Redford good 'ol small town know how winning out at the end thru hard work and perseverence (Big Mac).

    Regarding Barry Bonds, Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams' Game of Shadows in their landmark book on BALCO and PEDS in general from the Epilogue, p.268:

    "During spring training of 2005,...in the monologue that followed, Bonds came as close as he ever came to publicly admitting his drug use:

    "All this stuff about supplements, protein shakes, whatever," Bonds said. "Man, it's not this is the Olympics. We don't train four years for like, a ten second [event]. We go 162 games. You've got to come back day after day after day. We're entertainers.

    "If I can't go out there [to play], and somebody pays $60 for a ticket, and I'm not in the lineup, who's getting cheated? Not me.

    "There are far worse things like cocaine, heroin, and those types of things.

    "So we all make mistakes. We all do things. We need to turn the page. We need to forget about the past and let us play the game. We're entertainers. Let us entertain."

    What about cheating? Bonds was asked.

    "You want to define cheating in America?" he replied. "When they make a shirt in Korea for a dollar fifty and then sell it here for 500 bucks? And you ask me what cheating means? I'll tell you how I cheat. I cheat because I'm my daddy's son. He taught me the game. He taught me things nobody else knows. So that's how I cheat. I'm my daddy's son."

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Geschrei, @Marty

    I’m surprised at you Y/Z. What makes you ascribe any significance at all to Bonds’s quote about his father? On the face of the record, what could Bobby have taught him? How not to strike out? There’s a laugh. One of our Bay Area radio hosts is fond of speculating that Bobby passed on lessons about baseball’s racism. But how racist coukd the Giants have been? They brought him up at 19, despite the fact he couldn’t hit a curveball. (I’m told, by one of Ernie Broglio’s minor league teammates, that the Giants hired the recently retired Broglio to throw Bobby curveballs). They only traded him because he was an alcoholic. Barry has always talked in meaningless riddles. As one writer once revealed, Darryl Strawberry and Eric Davis used to laugh at Bonds for claiming to have grown up rough (Los Altos Hills). The reference to what his father taught him should probably be viewed in the same spirit.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Marty

    Barry learned from Bobby what not to do.

  53. @Kent Gatewood
    Any sports where a failure to take a drug test is booked as a positive sign of drug use?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Tennis is supposed to be like that.

  54. @Clyde
    @Steve Sailer


    If Barry Bonds ever writes a frank autobiography, I’d read it.
     
    As likely as Mick Jagger. As far as Serena Williams, I cannot bring myself to watch any tennis she is in. Dittos for her sister, though I give them credit for coming so far in a white sport.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Dittos for her sister, though I give them credit for coming so far in a white sport.

    I can watch Venus, but not Serena. I cannot wait until her reign is over.

    But yeah, they deserve enormous credit for how far they’ve come in a white sport, what with all the racist white privilege barriers the tennis establishment and the sports media keep putting in black people’s way.

  55. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    And Michael Lewis.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    And Michael Lewis.

    How about Keith Olbermann? Where did he come down on this issue before it all came crashing down?

  56. I remember Maguire’s last home runs of that season….. Totally unnatural line drives jumping out of the park…..

    And then he lifted his son over his head at home plate…..

    What a hero

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Anonymous

    I'm actually proud to say that I didn't follow Big Mac's epic chase to pass Maris in '98. I was more interested in seeing the other MLB story happen, namely, whether the Yankees could win over 100 games and get back to the WS after choking to the Indians in the ALDS in '97.

    NY set the AL 20th century mark with 114 regular season wins, and then went on to sweep the Padres in the WS. They followed that up with winning the WS in 99 and 00 and coming close in 01.

    That was very satisfying. If you look at the starters and bench players for that team, it can be fairly said that the Yanks didn't have many roided up players when compared to other teams. And yet they won the WS.

    But who knows for certain anymore. Scott Brosius? Not likely? Joe Girardi? Nah. Paul O'Neil? On the juice? No, come on. O'Neil's a distant cousin of Mark Twain, by the way. Mariano Rivera or David Wells? Are you kidding? David especially was never in great shape.

    So, while I hesitate to go down the Bill James route of didn't see nuttin' and there's nuttin' here to see, folks,.....the '98 Yankees team was a consistently great one in all aspects. They got it done, and that's what counts most in MLB.

  57. Part of the confusion wrt Serena boils down to race. Sure, no white woman could combine the cardio workout of tennis practise/matches, the rest and down time, the travel, the endorsements etc., with the workouts and rest time needed for what is essentially professional level body building. (I know, I know, but it is possible for most ordinary people to build up considerable muscle cleanly, as long as it’s all they’re devoting themselves to. They just probably won’t look like Henry Cavill – or, indeed, Serena Williams.) Maybe that’s just what really fit black women look like? It plants doubt in peoples’ minds.

    Also, there’s the idea that, in fairness, she might look much smaller in motion, and in real life, when her muscles aren’t flexing for a shot.

  58. @anon
    Sailer and Heartiste should do a duo-HBD-column about the interesting phenomenon discussed in the NYT column above: most women athletes not wanting to bulk up too much because it, unlike for men, tends to diminish their overall sexual market value.

    There seems to be a real confusing balancing act many women athletes have to work through between increasing their SMV by getting strong enough to get rich and famous via sports but not so strong they become less feminine looking.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @MarkinLA

    Anna Kournikova made a ton more money from her looks than her tennis. Too bad she never did a Playboy spread it would have been worth a fortune by itself.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @MarkinLA

    Had Kournikova done a Playboy spread, she'd have diluted her marketing/spokesmodel value to almost nothing. Luxury goods and apparel (where most tennis players appear) operate under the image of exclusivity, not the cheap commonality of a nude model. Worth a fortune in notoriety, perhaps, but not in income.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  59. @prosa123
    Williams did not merely flee to her panic room when the drug testers showed up at her door. She also called 911 to report a home invasion in progress. The hapless testers were lucky they weren't shot.
    Allegedly, the 911 call was a way of buying time so that Williams' handlers could whisk her away into hiding. She didn't reappear for several days, long enough for most drugs to leave her system.

    Note: Bonds still has an unusually large head.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon, @silviosilver, @Alfa158

    Sheesh, to go to all that trouble when a simple accusation that the drug test was racist because white people couldn’t stand to see a woman and Person of Color succeed in a white male dominated sport would have amply sufficed. Really, the fact that no one had informed of her right to make this accusation just proves how fundamentally racist and sexist America is.

  60. @e
    @jeff

    Seriously? Women reach their full height and body type fairly early compared to men. Go back and look at the teen Serena, the early 20 Serena, the late 20 Serena, etc.

    Do you recall the young, tall, thin, but powerful Martina Navratilova before she began using?

    Replies: @jeff, @MarkinLA

    Gabriela Sabatini was super-hot in her teens and early twenties but couldn’t win a major. She packed on some bulk but never won anyway. Probably lost a lot of money not being so sexy.

  61. @Geschrei
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    “You want to define cheating in America?” he replied. “When they make a shirt in Korea for a dollar fifty and then sell it here for 500 bucks? And you ask me what cheating means? I’ll tell you how I cheat. I cheat because I’m my daddy’s son. He taught me the game. He taught me things nobody else knows. So that’s how I cheat. I’m my daddy’s son.”
     
    Never saw that particular Bonds quote before - but all of a sudden I have a new respect for the man.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Never saw that particular Bonds quote before – but all of a sudden I have a new respect for the man.

    Why?

  62. • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    @Anon

    Make sure you read the article. Boorman says it couldn't be made due to work safety rules, not some PC objections.

  63. @Marty
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I'm surprised at you Y/Z. What makes you ascribe any significance at all to Bonds's quote about his father? On the face of the record, what could Bobby have taught him? How not to strike out? There's a laugh. One of our Bay Area radio hosts is fond of speculating that Bobby passed on lessons about baseball's racism. But how racist coukd the Giants have been? They brought him up at 19, despite the fact he couldn't hit a curveball. (I'm told, by one of Ernie Broglio's minor league teammates, that the Giants hired the recently retired Broglio to throw Bobby curveballs). They only traded him because he was an alcoholic. Barry has always talked in meaningless riddles. As one writer once revealed, Darryl Strawberry and Eric Davis used to laugh at Bonds for claiming to have grown up rough (Los Altos Hills). The reference to what his father taught him should probably be viewed in the same spirit.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Barry learned from Bobby what not to do.

  64. Lance Armstrong is dirt.

    But soccer goalie Hope “Man-Jaw-Roid-Rage-So-Bad-We-Gotta-Call-The-Cops” is a conquering hero.

    America is sick. American sports is sicker.

  65. @jeff
    There are people who are just 1 in a million talents. Serena could be one. I have met black men who never worked out and yet they are just astonishingly powerful. You see a lot of big black women. Who is to say that Serena is not one. As for the drug test, maybe cocaine or weed.

    Replies: @e, @Unladen Swallow, @Deduction

    She looked washed up 9-10 years ago, she was overweight and visibly out of shape, so much so that during one of the Australian Opens she was mocked by Australian and British tabloids pretty strongly in a way that would be inconceivable by any American newspaper, even the supermarket tabloids.

    There is also her age to consider, it’s rare for a male tennis player to still be competitive at her age, much less be dominant like the way she has been this year, for a woman it is unheard of, and has another poster pointed out, African women mature faster than European women and Asian women, meaning they hit their physical peak at a younger age on average. Steffi Graf was still very good at age 30, but she was not dominating the tour at 30 like she was between the ages of 19-25, Serena is, and Steffi retired at 30, Serena is now 33.

    Furthermore Graf was still good because she was incredibly fit and still had some of her legendary speed left, Serena doesn’t move much, she just flat out overpowers her pixie like opponents from the baseline with massive upper body strength. Her cardiovascular stamina seems far less than in her younger days but her upper body strength is undiminished and may be even greater. Look at her sister, she last hasn’t won a grand slam since 2007, and hasn’t been competitive in a long time and is constantly beset with injuries, and yet at a time when most great male players are washed up, or at least noticeably less good than in their better days she has won the first 3 grand slams of year in dominating fashion.

    Recall last year she wasn’t even competitive in the same first three slams of the year, and only salvaged her season with winning the last one, the US Open. This year she dominated the same tournaments at age where most even great female players are long since retired. Seems a bit suspicious don’t you think?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Unladen Swallow

    Excuse me, let me crack my knuckles before I start...


    ...OK, deconstruction time:


    She looked washed up 9-10 years ago, she was overweight and visibly out of shape, so much so that during one of the Australian Opens she was mocked by Australian and British tabloids pretty strongly in a way that would be inconceivable by any American newspaper, even the supermarket tabloids.
     
    Chis Everett retired at 39 and won her last major at 36.

    Billie Jean King retired at 40 and won her last major at 37.


    Martina Navratilova retired at 37 and won her last major at 34.

    Replies: @tomv, @Unladen Swallow, @Unladen Swallow, @CCR, @John R.

    , @Jeff
    @Unladen Swallow

    "Recall last year she wasn’t even competitive in the same first three slams of the year, and only salvaged her season with winning the last one, the US Open. This year she dominated the same tournaments at age where most even great female players are long since retired. Seems a bit suspicious don’t you think?"

    No I do not think it suspicious. The simple fact is that outliers are not normal people; they are not even 1/1,000. Someone like Serena could very well be 1/1,000,000 or 1/10,000,000. She does not appear to have a muscularity that cannot be achieved through training alone. Some people are just better. My youth was spent in Grand Prix racing. Michael Schumacher absolutely destroyed every teammate that he had. No steroids are required to drive a grand prix car; so what was his secret: maybe a freakish combination of touch, the ability to slow time, dedication, attitude and coolness. Some people are just freaks. In the NFL you have people like Ray Lewis, Barry Sanders, or Bruce Smith. When he went to the combine, Smith was 6' 4", 290 lbs and ran a 4.68 sec 40 yard dash. Do you have any idea how much of a freak of nature that guy was? Go run a 40 on your street. Then imagine a beast of man, clad in plastic running at you at 50% greater speed than you are capable, and with 5x the projecting force. How many people in the world right now have the combination of speed, strength, attitude, dedication that Smith had when he ran that time? 20? I submit that no white person in history has ever been that athletic. No white person, juiced or not, has ever had Barry Sanders freakish abilities. None. Trying to relate to God-gifted athletes is just not possible. Maybe Serena cheats, but I don't see much evidence. Some black people are just gifted and its a joy to watch.

    Replies: @5371, @Deduction

  66. @silviosilver
    @Anonymous


    “‘Hollywood Exes’: Jose Canseco’s Ex-Wife Jessica Says Steroid Use Damaged His Testicles ”
     
    Well, if his ex-wife says so, it's got to be true. I mean, if you can't believe a famous athlete's ex-wife who can you believe?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Well she was talking to a fellow celebrity-ex wife, and it was in the context of her implying that they were on good terms and that she was thinking of letting him move in to her house after he had fallen on hard times.

  67. Venus looks pretty normal, but Serena is quite grotesque.

  68. I’ve been noticing a lot more celebrities in attendance at Wimbledon and the US Open, and more of a circus-y, pop culture atmosphere at the events. Has tennis always been this crass, or is this a recent thing?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Anonymous

    More likely the circus-y atmosphere is due to the ESPNization of TV coverage. Tennis, like the rest of sports, are about entertainment--the competition is secondary. Sideline reporters, sideline interviews, sideline camera shots of 'celebrities' and other soft stories fill broadcasts--appealing to a female audience.

  69. Of all the factors affecting the likelihood of home runs, Gould didn’t bother to mention the lowering of the pitcher’s mound?

  70. @Unladen Swallow
    @jeff

    She looked washed up 9-10 years ago, she was overweight and visibly out of shape, so much so that during one of the Australian Opens she was mocked by Australian and British tabloids pretty strongly in a way that would be inconceivable by any American newspaper, even the supermarket tabloids.

    There is also her age to consider, it's rare for a male tennis player to still be competitive at her age, much less be dominant like the way she has been this year, for a woman it is unheard of, and has another poster pointed out, African women mature faster than European women and Asian women, meaning they hit their physical peak at a younger age on average. Steffi Graf was still very good at age 30, but she was not dominating the tour at 30 like she was between the ages of 19-25, Serena is, and Steffi retired at 30, Serena is now 33.

    Furthermore Graf was still good because she was incredibly fit and still had some of her legendary speed left, Serena doesn't move much, she just flat out overpowers her pixie like opponents from the baseline with massive upper body strength. Her cardiovascular stamina seems far less than in her younger days but her upper body strength is undiminished and may be even greater. Look at her sister, she last hasn't won a grand slam since 2007, and hasn't been competitive in a long time and is constantly beset with injuries, and yet at a time when most great male players are washed up, or at least noticeably less good than in their better days she has won the first 3 grand slams of year in dominating fashion.

    Recall last year she wasn't even competitive in the same first three slams of the year, and only salvaged her season with winning the last one, the US Open. This year she dominated the same tournaments at age where most even great female players are long since retired. Seems a bit suspicious don't you think?

    Replies: @Truth, @Jeff

    Excuse me, let me crack my knuckles before I start…

    …OK, deconstruction time:

    She looked washed up 9-10 years ago, she was overweight and visibly out of shape, so much so that during one of the Australian Opens she was mocked by Australian and British tabloids pretty strongly in a way that would be inconceivable by any American newspaper, even the supermarket tabloids.

    Chis Everett retired at 39 and won her last major at 36.

    Billie Jean King retired at 40 and won her last major at 37.

    Martina Navratilova retired at 37 and won her last major at 34.

    • Replies: @tomv
    @Truth

    What's your point, Truth? Are you saying Serena could be doing what she is now without juicing because those women did what they did then without juicing? Of course not, you're smarter than that.

    It seems you can't help flailing about every time a black person is cast in a negative light, even when the issue isn't race. If Serena were white, Steve would still be writing what he's writing (one of three athletes mentioned in this very post in Mark McGwire, and Rafael Nadal is Steve's favorite example in men's tennis), but your desperate defense would be nowhere to be found.

    Not that it's a surprise, but your race-man shtick is tiresome nonetheless.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Unladen Swallow
    @Truth

    Do I really have to point out the differences between tennis in the 1970's and today, which was King and Evert's heyday? I was talking about modern Tennis, post Navratilova looking like a guy. Evert and King were from a bygone era, when women daintily hit the ball over the net, no speed, no movement, no serves at anything like modern power, wooden rackets, camping on the baseline for much of the match, much less strain on the body. No one in today's tennis, post muscular Navratilova has been dominant well into their thirties, except Martina and now Serena. Navratilova was lifting weights like crazy and possibly doping when no one else was, that allowed a level of insane domination for a while and it extended her career quite a bit. Watch a women's tennis match from the 1970's, it's practically a different sport from today's or even the sport in the early 1990's.

    , @Unladen Swallow
    @Truth

    Also BTW, King won her last grand slam title at 31, not 37, Evert at 31, not 36, Navratilova at 33.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @CCR
    @Truth

    It seems tennis wasn't so intense as it is today. Pancho Gonzales was a factor into his '40s.

    I laughed when Venus said -- at age 22 -- that she didn't want to play tennis forever "like Steffi Graf".

    , @John R.
    @Truth

    Ok. Reconstruction time (with actual facts).

    Chris Evert (no relation to Chis Everett) retired at 34 and won her last major at 31.

    Billie Jean King retired at 40 and won her last major at 31.

    Martina Navratilova retired at 37 and won her last major at 33.

    Total majors won by Evert, Navratilova, King, Margaret Court and Steffi Graf after their 31st b'days COMBINED: 4 (1 each by each of the first four women)

    Total majors won by S. Williams after her 31st birthday: 6.

    Nothing to see here. Move along.

  71. @Dirk Dagger
    She's just big boned.

    Replies: @Truth

    She’s just big boned.

    Well yes, that’s part of it, Ray Charles; as her mother, and not-getting-6-hours-of -exercise-a-day, but-still-has-2-” biceps, sister would attest:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=serena+williams+sisters&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=KwyiVcOlFYP2UM-Lj6gJ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1280&bih=606#imgdii=_pRIoSk8mfQH_M%3A%3B_pRIoSk8mfQH_M%3A%3BfEpbsLb1NJKknM%3A&imgrc=_pRIoSk8mfQH_M%3A

  72. @Otto the P
    I can't watch Serena either. Every time I see her crushing some pale wan little white sprite, I think of Blake's great painting of Cyclops devouring Odessa's men. Gives me the hebie-jeebies!

    Replies: @Truth

    I can’t watch Serena either. Every time I see her crushing some pale wan little white sprite, I think of Blake’s great painting of Cyclops devouring Odessa’s men. Gives me the hebie-jeebies!

    Yes, Truth is known for being cruel and heartless, but I too feel for these poor innocent Alabaster waifs:

    • Replies: @San Franciscan non-monk
    @Truth

    Truth - glad to see you're back again. You've always been an excellent dissenting - nay, rebutting! - voice. This place needs it.

    Replies: @Truth, @Kylie

    , @Big Bill
    @Truth

    My God! They are ALL juicing

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    @Truth

    Here you go sport. Enjoy!
    http://www.tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.com.au/

  73. @prosa123
    Williams did not merely flee to her panic room when the drug testers showed up at her door. She also called 911 to report a home invasion in progress. The hapless testers were lucky they weren't shot.
    Allegedly, the 911 call was a way of buying time so that Williams' handlers could whisk her away into hiding. She didn't reappear for several days, long enough for most drugs to leave her system.

    Note: Bonds still has an unusually large head.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon, @silviosilver, @Alfa158

    I saw a recent TV ad with Serena in it and I was struck by how massive her facial bones were. Large volumes of juice cause the facial bones to resume growing, this is why many people like Arnold who juice develop agap between their front teeth . The two side of your teeth are moved apart as the jaw grows and spreads.
    Most black people have larger facial bone structures than whites so it is harder to tell. The giveaway would be if a careful comparison between her face early in her adult career and now shows a visible change.

  74. @Anon
    http://www.jta.org/2015/07/09/news-opinion/world/south-korea-media-repeat-anti-semitic-canards-ahead-of-merger-vote

    Canaries in a coal mine or canards in a gold mine?

    Replies: @5371

    The word “canard” is never used in modern English without “anti-semitic” immediately before it.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @5371


    The word “canard” is never used in modern English without “anti-semitic” immediately before it.
     
    That's not true. I've used the phrase "anti-white canard" on quite a number of occasions. Eg "The old anti-white canard that 'racism' is responsible for blacks' educational performance."
  75. @anon
    @prosa123

    Do you have any link about her not giving a sample for a few days? I've never heard that before. Though, to be honest, I don't really follow tennis.

    And, to this lay person, her locking herself in a panic room because she thought the drug tester was a possible intruder sounds like a halfway decent, plausible cover story.

    Replies: @5371

    Mo Farah’s “my house is so huge that I can’t hear my doorbell” is another memorable excuse for not answering the drug tester’s call.

  76. @Anonymous
    "'Hollywood Exes': Jose Canseco's Ex-Wife Jessica Says Steroid Use Damaged His Testicles "

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/28/hollywood-exes-jose-canseco-steroids-testicles-video_n_1633315.html

    On "Hollywood Exes" (Wed., 10 p.m. ET on VH1) Jose Canseco's ex-wife Jessica revealed some extremely intimate secrets about the former MLB star.

    First, Jessica told Nicole Murphy that Jose had fallen on hard times and she was was thinking about letting him move back in with her.

    "I would feel bad as a person if I turned my back on him," Jessica said, "'cuz he is family. And he's the father of my kid."

    However, after hearing what Jessica went on to say about his testicles, Jose may not want to move in with her.

    In his 2005 book, "Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits, and How Baseball Got Big," Jose admitted taking steroids and performance-enhancing drugs. Now, according to Jessica, the steroids caused permanent damage to his body.

    "Jose doesn’t have saggy balls," Jessica said, "'cuz he took steroids and it was like, shrinked 'em up. They were so tight!" As Nicole laughed, Jessica went on: "I was like, 'your walnuts have turned into one peanut, okay?'"
     

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Anonymous

    Nothing like the direct approach.
    No one can accuse her of modesty and decorum. To think, the Victorians used to put covers on table legs.

  77. @Truth
    @Otto the P


    I can’t watch Serena either. Every time I see her crushing some pale wan little white sprite, I think of Blake’s great painting of Cyclops devouring Odessa’s men. Gives me the hebie-jeebies!
     
    Yes, Truth is known for being cruel and heartless, but I too feel for these poor innocent Alabaster waifs:

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_r_b0tWS_OwQ/SaC7dzCFuGI/AAAAAAAAABE/MZoCezmbiZ4/s320/mauresmo.jpg

    http://iranian.com/Anyway/2004/May/Images/jen.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Samantha_Stosur_Roland_Garros_2013_cropped.jpg

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_r_b0tWS_OwQ/SaD82nZJCjI/AAAAAAAAACs/qPhNxXJUT-w/s320/marionbartoli.jpg

    http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--rM9roKnE--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/17oupwmxjt7aojpg.jpg

    http://www.tennisbetsite.com/uploaded_images/mattek01-765161.jpg

    Replies: @San Franciscan non-monk, @Big Bill, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...

    Truth – glad to see you’re back again. You’ve always been an excellent dissenting – nay, rebutting! – voice. This place needs it.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @San Franciscan non-monk

    I appreciate the kind words greatly, my friend.

    , @Kylie
    @San Franciscan non-monk

    I'm also glad to see Truth is back.

    And not just because he is literally the only person who has ever tempted me (albeit unwittingly) to take up role-playing.

    Replies: @Truth

  78. The media’s Serena adulation seems like an example of, to modify W’s phrase, the soft bigotry of high expectations (in this case, for musculature). It’s as if they expect all African American athletes, men or women, to be rippling with muscles. If Maria Sharpova showed up with arms like that, I’m sure they would speculate about whether she was using steroids.

  79. @Truth
    @Otto the P


    I can’t watch Serena either. Every time I see her crushing some pale wan little white sprite, I think of Blake’s great painting of Cyclops devouring Odessa’s men. Gives me the hebie-jeebies!
     
    Yes, Truth is known for being cruel and heartless, but I too feel for these poor innocent Alabaster waifs:

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_r_b0tWS_OwQ/SaC7dzCFuGI/AAAAAAAAABE/MZoCezmbiZ4/s320/mauresmo.jpg

    http://iranian.com/Anyway/2004/May/Images/jen.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Samantha_Stosur_Roland_Garros_2013_cropped.jpg

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_r_b0tWS_OwQ/SaD82nZJCjI/AAAAAAAAACs/qPhNxXJUT-w/s320/marionbartoli.jpg

    http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--rM9roKnE--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/17oupwmxjt7aojpg.jpg

    http://www.tennisbetsite.com/uploaded_images/mattek01-765161.jpg

    Replies: @San Franciscan non-monk, @Big Bill, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...

    My God! They are ALL juicing

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Big Bill

    Yes Bill, but aren't ALL black. Therein lies the backhand that your average sportsfan has so much trouble returning.

    Oh by the way, here's beautiful, blonde "sex symbol" Mary Pierce slightly before she retired:

    http://www.mary-pierce.org/US_Open_2005/l1540230.jpg

  80. @Truth
    @Otto the P


    I can’t watch Serena either. Every time I see her crushing some pale wan little white sprite, I think of Blake’s great painting of Cyclops devouring Odessa’s men. Gives me the hebie-jeebies!
     
    Yes, Truth is known for being cruel and heartless, but I too feel for these poor innocent Alabaster waifs:

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_r_b0tWS_OwQ/SaC7dzCFuGI/AAAAAAAAABE/MZoCezmbiZ4/s320/mauresmo.jpg

    http://iranian.com/Anyway/2004/May/Images/jen.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Samantha_Stosur_Roland_Garros_2013_cropped.jpg

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_r_b0tWS_OwQ/SaD82nZJCjI/AAAAAAAAACs/qPhNxXJUT-w/s320/marionbartoli.jpg

    http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--rM9roKnE--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/17oupwmxjt7aojpg.jpg

    http://www.tennisbetsite.com/uploaded_images/mattek01-765161.jpg

    Replies: @San Franciscan non-monk, @Big Bill, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...

  81. @Big Bill
    @Truth

    My God! They are ALL juicing

    Replies: @Truth

    Yes Bill, but aren’t ALL black. Therein lies the backhand that your average sportsfan has so much trouble returning.

    Oh by the way, here’s beautiful, blonde “sex symbol” Mary Pierce slightly before she retired:

  82. @San Franciscan non-monk
    @Truth

    Truth - glad to see you're back again. You've always been an excellent dissenting - nay, rebutting! - voice. This place needs it.

    Replies: @Truth, @Kylie

    I appreciate the kind words greatly, my friend.

  83. And here’s another “beautiful blonde sex-symbol” Simona Halep, who is best known for disappointing a legion of worldwide male fans by “reducing” some things and “increasing” others:

    before:

    after:

  84. Well, at least Serena looks like a woman – a strapping Amazonian one, but you couldn’t say that body shape was anything but female. There are precedents :

    “Pam, I adore you, Pam, you great big mountainous sports girl,
    Whizzing your volleys over the net, full of the strength of five:
    That Old Malvernian brother, you zephyr and khaki shorts girl,
    Although he’s playing for Woking,
    Can’t stand up
    To your wonderful backhand drive.

    See the strength of her arm, as firm and hairy as Hendren’s;
    See the size of her thighs, the pout of her lips as, cross,
    And full of pent-up strength, she swipes at the rhododendrons,
    Lucky the rhododendrons,
    And flings her arrogant love-lock
    Back with a petulant toss.”

  85. MQ says:

    I always respected Barry Bonds. I mean, how many mediocrities was he supposed to let out-perform him while baseball ignored the steroid problem? Regarding cheating, was he cheating his fans and the team that paid him tens of millions a year by refusing to do what every other slugger seemed to be doing? He waited some time before getting on the steroid bandwagon. Although he has a very irascible/irritable personality, he always seemed very intelligent to me. The quote above seems pretty sharp to me.

    Furthermore Graf was still good because she was incredibly fit and still had some of her legendary speed left, Serena doesn’t move much, she just flat out overpowers her pixie like opponents from the baseline with massive upper body strength. Her cardiovascular stamina seems far less than in her younger days but her upper body strength is undiminished and may be even greater.

    Ummm, well…this is exactly how normal aging works as you move from your 20s to your 30s. You get slower and more injury-prone but your physical strength doesn’t decline and may even increase. Haven’t you experienced this in your own life? If Serena’s dominance is based on pure physical strength as opposed to quickness/speed there’s no reason to expect her to decline in her early 30s.

  86. @5371
    @Anon

    The word "canard" is never used in modern English without "anti-semitic" immediately before it.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    The word “canard” is never used in modern English without “anti-semitic” immediately before it.

    That’s not true. I’ve used the phrase “anti-white canard” on quite a number of occasions. Eg “The old anti-white canard that ‘racism’ is responsible for blacks’ educational performance.”

  87. @Sunbeam
    @anon

    "There seems to be a real confusing balancing act many women athletes have to work through between increasing their SMV by getting strong enough to get rich and famous via sports but not so strong they become less feminine looking."

    I think it is a pocketbook issue too. Anna Kournikova did really well for herself even if she didn't have a hall of fame career.

    Seems to me that sex appeal really has more earnings power than being some kind of all time champion.

    I think this differs greatly for men. But in the end, most of the money from endorsement deals comes from women in this area. So whose fault is it exactly if it is unfair?

    I imagine having smashing good looks and enough talent to stay in tournaments relatively lately is a winning combo, even if you don't win. The camera will find you, trust me.

    Heck not winning might be a marketing tool. "Will So-and-So finally break through at blank this year?"

    Replies: @jack o'fire

    *CoughDanica  Patrick   *Cough*

  88. @Anon
    http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jun/04/john-boorman-deliverance-would-be-impossible-to-make-today

    Replies: @Chris Mallory

    Make sure you read the article. Boorman says it couldn’t be made due to work safety rules, not some PC objections.

  89. I’ve noticed with female body builder who roid up, that their voices get much lower, like a man. Serena’s voice hasn’t dropped. What’s that about?

  90. @jeff
    There are people who are just 1 in a million talents. Serena could be one. I have met black men who never worked out and yet they are just astonishingly powerful. You see a lot of big black women. Who is to say that Serena is not one. As for the drug test, maybe cocaine or weed.

    Replies: @e, @Unladen Swallow, @Deduction

    They are liars…and they are on steroids. I have met a few. It’s like one massive lie – about the gym – is told in order to cover the small lie.

  91. Random comments:

    Almost every tennis person I talk to (rec players, college, coaches, club pros) thinks Serena is juicing.

    Traditionally, upper body bulk works against you in tennis. Movement is just too important. The implications of this:
    a) look at the guys, they’re all rather slightly built, except in the legs. (Nadal is sorta the exception that proves the rule, though he’s weirdly asymmetrical)
    b) most of the women are the same way. Some exceptions: Sharapova in one way, Serena in the other
    c) This is why I find the suggestion that most women tennis players are avoiding roiding / bulking up to stay more feminine. If bulking up was a general advantage, you would expect to see the same pattern on the guys side.
    d) If the men are juicing, it’s not going to show up in the same way as in other sports. More likely to impact recovery time in tournaments.

    FWIW, I think Serena’s body looks more like their mother’s; Venus’s body more like their father’s. (and they have some *large* step sisters)

    Sloane Stephens is the daughter of an NFL running back, but she’s nowhere near as big as Serena. (http://theartmad.com/sloane-stephens/the-wta-pre-wimbledon-party-london-2/)

    Djokovic weighs about 175 pounds (and is 6’2″). The rest of the big 4 are in the 180s. Serena is supposedly 155 (and 5’9″)

    More on movement from personal history. Last Fall, I was playing 4.5 USTA singles Districts. At 210 pounds, I was the second heaviest guy in the 4.5s. Relatively heavy enough that in one of my matches, I had an opponent (who I think weighted about 145) think it would be a good idea to change his game to run me more (more drop / lob combos, less emphasis on pace up the middle, more slower paced angled balls). Didn’t work, but I understood, and I would’ve tried the same thing.

    The heaviest guy, however, beat me. I won every point where we both ended up running, but his strategy was to play offensive tennis – get ahead in the point with a few big swings and then you can generally dominate from the middle of the court without moving much.

    This is also what happens when I watch Serena play – she gets ahead in the point with her serve or return and then doesn’t have to move much. The top level guys are much better at redirecting and hitting corners on the run so this doesn’t happen as much with the men (e.g., Isner and the big servers can do it off their serve, but not on their returns). So as long as Serena can overpower the women and the women can’t redirect to hit the corners on the run, she’ll be able to keep winning, even as she ages.

    It’s not that odd for Serena to be winning at her age. Federer, for instance, is actually 7 weeks older than Serena. The stats are somewhat skewed for women because pregnancy is really bad for your game and tends to lead to retirement.

  92. @jeff
    @e

    Yeah, I just looked. Doesn't look like she is much bigger than one might expect from normal training plus the natural changes women experience as they get older. First, a ton of women go from tiny teens to bigger-boned at 31. So maybe consider that aspect as one reason for the body changes. Second she was pretty big by 2004, but not so big that we cannot rule out that natural training was the result. You have to consider that some people of West African descent can just put on the beef. They can pack-on in days/weeks, what others need a year or more to achieve. There are lots of black people that put on bulk quickly. Serena could be, and based on her comments (contra the German chick in the same article) is one such person. The drugs thing could easily be something besides steroids.

    Replies: @Deduction

    You are painfully naive about the world around you. Serena is on steroids, anyone ever involved in decent level athletic pursuits could tell you.

    Nor do West Africans magically bulk up in weeks. I know this for the same reason as above.

  93. I hate threads like this. They are full of naive, flabby sports nerds desperate to rationalise away the obvious.

    Professional athletes all use PEDs. They offer an incredible advantage. It is massive not marginal.

    A simple rule to remember is that no-one could win any of these sports without PEDs. The idea of it happening is as crazy as someone winning without training. Mental.

    The only reason why Serena is so much bigger than the little white girls is because you nerds can believe Serena is natural because she is black. A fact she takes advantage of. The problem is that anyone who has competed physically knows that you are clueless.

  94. Natural human variation exists but is in the tens of percentage points at most. When people take steroids they raise their androgen levels 30 times above normal. One might argue that certain groups have 10 percent higher androgen levels but compared to steroids it is entirely irrelevant.

    Nor are PEDS limited to steroids…

    • Replies: @Deduction
    @Deduction

    Also when I say 30 times above normal...I mean the male norm...it could be thousands of times above normal for women.

  95. @Deduction
    Natural human variation exists but is in the tens of percentage points at most. When people take steroids they raise their androgen levels 30 times above normal. One might argue that certain groups have 10 percent higher androgen levels but compared to steroids it is entirely irrelevant.

    Nor are PEDS limited to steroids...

    Replies: @Deduction

    Also when I say 30 times above normal…I mean the male norm…it could be thousands of times above normal for women.

  96. @San Franciscan non-monk
    @Truth

    Truth - glad to see you're back again. You've always been an excellent dissenting - nay, rebutting! - voice. This place needs it.

    Replies: @Truth, @Kylie

    I’m also glad to see Truth is back.

    And not just because he is literally the only person who has ever tempted me (albeit unwittingly) to take up role-playing.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Kylie

    You have no idea Kylie.

  97. @Unladen Swallow
    @jeff

    She looked washed up 9-10 years ago, she was overweight and visibly out of shape, so much so that during one of the Australian Opens she was mocked by Australian and British tabloids pretty strongly in a way that would be inconceivable by any American newspaper, even the supermarket tabloids.

    There is also her age to consider, it's rare for a male tennis player to still be competitive at her age, much less be dominant like the way she has been this year, for a woman it is unheard of, and has another poster pointed out, African women mature faster than European women and Asian women, meaning they hit their physical peak at a younger age on average. Steffi Graf was still very good at age 30, but she was not dominating the tour at 30 like she was between the ages of 19-25, Serena is, and Steffi retired at 30, Serena is now 33.

    Furthermore Graf was still good because she was incredibly fit and still had some of her legendary speed left, Serena doesn't move much, she just flat out overpowers her pixie like opponents from the baseline with massive upper body strength. Her cardiovascular stamina seems far less than in her younger days but her upper body strength is undiminished and may be even greater. Look at her sister, she last hasn't won a grand slam since 2007, and hasn't been competitive in a long time and is constantly beset with injuries, and yet at a time when most great male players are washed up, or at least noticeably less good than in their better days she has won the first 3 grand slams of year in dominating fashion.

    Recall last year she wasn't even competitive in the same first three slams of the year, and only salvaged her season with winning the last one, the US Open. This year she dominated the same tournaments at age where most even great female players are long since retired. Seems a bit suspicious don't you think?

    Replies: @Truth, @Jeff

    “Recall last year she wasn’t even competitive in the same first three slams of the year, and only salvaged her season with winning the last one, the US Open. This year she dominated the same tournaments at age where most even great female players are long since retired. Seems a bit suspicious don’t you think?”

    No I do not think it suspicious. The simple fact is that outliers are not normal people; they are not even 1/1,000. Someone like Serena could very well be 1/1,000,000 or 1/10,000,000. She does not appear to have a muscularity that cannot be achieved through training alone. Some people are just better. My youth was spent in Grand Prix racing. Michael Schumacher absolutely destroyed every teammate that he had. No steroids are required to drive a grand prix car; so what was his secret: maybe a freakish combination of touch, the ability to slow time, dedication, attitude and coolness. Some people are just freaks. In the NFL you have people like Ray Lewis, Barry Sanders, or Bruce Smith. When he went to the combine, Smith was 6′ 4″, 290 lbs and ran a 4.68 sec 40 yard dash. Do you have any idea how much of a freak of nature that guy was? Go run a 40 on your street. Then imagine a beast of man, clad in plastic running at you at 50% greater speed than you are capable, and with 5x the projecting force. How many people in the world right now have the combination of speed, strength, attitude, dedication that Smith had when he ran that time? 20? I submit that no white person in history has ever been that athletic. No white person, juiced or not, has ever had Barry Sanders freakish abilities. None. Trying to relate to God-gifted athletes is just not possible. Maybe Serena cheats, but I don’t see much evidence. Some black people are just gifted and its a joy to watch.

    • Replies: @5371
    @Jeff

    [Michael Schumacher absolutely destroyed every teammate that he had.]

    In 1999 he was only tied with Eddie Irvine when he broke his leg.

    , @Deduction
    @Jeff

    If Serena were just relying on her undoubted natural gifts, she would be handily beaten by someone willing to cheat.

    PEDs offer a tremendous advantage. You may as well be arguing that Serena doesn't train at tennis and yet wins through her natural gifts for all the sense that you are making.

  98. @Truth
    @Unladen Swallow

    Excuse me, let me crack my knuckles before I start...


    ...OK, deconstruction time:


    She looked washed up 9-10 years ago, she was overweight and visibly out of shape, so much so that during one of the Australian Opens she was mocked by Australian and British tabloids pretty strongly in a way that would be inconceivable by any American newspaper, even the supermarket tabloids.
     
    Chis Everett retired at 39 and won her last major at 36.

    Billie Jean King retired at 40 and won her last major at 37.


    Martina Navratilova retired at 37 and won her last major at 34.

    Replies: @tomv, @Unladen Swallow, @Unladen Swallow, @CCR, @John R.

    What’s your point, Truth? Are you saying Serena could be doing what she is now without juicing because those women did what they did then without juicing? Of course not, you’re smarter than that.

    It seems you can’t help flailing about every time a black person is cast in a negative light, even when the issue isn’t race. If Serena were white, Steve would still be writing what he’s writing (one of three athletes mentioned in this very post in Mark McGwire, and Rafael Nadal is Steve’s favorite example in men’s tennis), but your desperate defense would be nowhere to be found.

    Not that it’s a surprise, but your race-man shtick is tiresome nonetheless.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @tomv

    "It seems you can’t help flailing about every time a black person is cast in a negative light, even when the issue isn’t race."

    How is raising logical caveats "flailing about...".

    " ... your race-man shtick is tiresome nonetheless."

    Believe me, my friend, so is yours.

  99. @Truth
    @Unladen Swallow

    Excuse me, let me crack my knuckles before I start...


    ...OK, deconstruction time:


    She looked washed up 9-10 years ago, she was overweight and visibly out of shape, so much so that during one of the Australian Opens she was mocked by Australian and British tabloids pretty strongly in a way that would be inconceivable by any American newspaper, even the supermarket tabloids.
     
    Chis Everett retired at 39 and won her last major at 36.

    Billie Jean King retired at 40 and won her last major at 37.


    Martina Navratilova retired at 37 and won her last major at 34.

    Replies: @tomv, @Unladen Swallow, @Unladen Swallow, @CCR, @John R.

    Do I really have to point out the differences between tennis in the 1970’s and today, which was King and Evert’s heyday? I was talking about modern Tennis, post Navratilova looking like a guy. Evert and King were from a bygone era, when women daintily hit the ball over the net, no speed, no movement, no serves at anything like modern power, wooden rackets, camping on the baseline for much of the match, much less strain on the body. No one in today’s tennis, post muscular Navratilova has been dominant well into their thirties, except Martina and now Serena. Navratilova was lifting weights like crazy and possibly doping when no one else was, that allowed a level of insane domination for a while and it extended her career quite a bit. Watch a women’s tennis match from the 1970’s, it’s practically a different sport from today’s or even the sport in the early 1990’s.

  100. @GW
    The year following the great home run chase McGwire and Sosa were back at it again cranking out over 60 HRs each. I was in Colorado when the Cardinals were in town and saw McGwire hit balls off the left field scoreboard during pre-game batting practice--something I can safely say will never happen again.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    The shots hit during the 1999 Home RunDerby at Fenway were of a distance I hadn’t seen before nor since, and I’ve been going to Red Sox games since the mid-Sixties.

  101. @newrouter
    >And, to this lay person, her locking herself in a panic room because she thought the drug tester was a possible intruder sounds like a halfway decent, plausible cover story.<

    i, too, like unicorn fables about professional athletes.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Brutusale

    Saddle up the unicorn:

    http://nypost.com/2011/11/02/serena-williams-locks-herself-in-panic-room-in-drug-test-mix-up/

    I like how it’s delicately referred to as a “mix-up”.

  102. @Truth
    @Unladen Swallow

    Excuse me, let me crack my knuckles before I start...


    ...OK, deconstruction time:


    She looked washed up 9-10 years ago, she was overweight and visibly out of shape, so much so that during one of the Australian Opens she was mocked by Australian and British tabloids pretty strongly in a way that would be inconceivable by any American newspaper, even the supermarket tabloids.
     
    Chis Everett retired at 39 and won her last major at 36.

    Billie Jean King retired at 40 and won her last major at 37.


    Martina Navratilova retired at 37 and won her last major at 34.

    Replies: @tomv, @Unladen Swallow, @Unladen Swallow, @CCR, @John R.

    Also BTW, King won her last grand slam title at 31, not 37, Evert at 31, not 36, Navratilova at 33.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Unladen Swallow

    You're right, technically. Navratilova was runner-up at 35 and 36 (US and Wimbledon) but she last won at 33.

    Everett was runner-up at 33 and 34.

    King was runner up at 32, I was actually looking at doubles results, but they were all top 10 players until mid to late 30s.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Unladen Swallow

  103. At least the eagle-eyed NBA will start testing for HGH soon.

  104. @newrouter
    >And, to this lay person, her locking herself in a panic room because she thought the drug tester was a possible intruder sounds like a halfway decent, plausible cover story.<

    i, too, like unicorn fables about professional athletes.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Brutusale

  105. @Anonymous
    I remember Maguire's last home runs of that season..... Totally unnatural line drives jumping out of the park.....

    And then he lifted his son over his head at home plate.....

    What a hero

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I’m actually proud to say that I didn’t follow Big Mac’s epic chase to pass Maris in ’98. I was more interested in seeing the other MLB story happen, namely, whether the Yankees could win over 100 games and get back to the WS after choking to the Indians in the ALDS in ’97.

    NY set the AL 20th century mark with 114 regular season wins, and then went on to sweep the Padres in the WS. They followed that up with winning the WS in 99 and 00 and coming close in 01.

    That was very satisfying. If you look at the starters and bench players for that team, it can be fairly said that the Yanks didn’t have many roided up players when compared to other teams. And yet they won the WS.

    But who knows for certain anymore. Scott Brosius? Not likely? Joe Girardi? Nah. Paul O’Neil? On the juice? No, come on. O’Neil’s a distant cousin of Mark Twain, by the way. Mariano Rivera or David Wells? Are you kidding? David especially was never in great shape.

    So, while I hesitate to go down the Bill James route of didn’t see nuttin’ and there’s nuttin’ here to see, folks,…..the ’98 Yankees team was a consistently great one in all aspects. They got it done, and that’s what counts most in MLB.

  106. “I don’t touch a weight, because I’m already super fit and super cut, and if I even look at weights, I get bigger,”

    What was she thinking when she said that!

    Federer is probably the only top player not juiced to the gills. Skinny arms.

  107. @Anon
    "Williams, 33, who has appeared on the cover of Vogue, is regarded as symbol of beauty by many women."

    Not necessarily of the human species.

    Btw, if Serena ever wants to be Samson Williams, it'd make more sense than Bruce wanting to be Caitlyn.

    Replies: @Bugg

    So regarded by who? Did they do actual polling on such a preposterous statement?

  108. @Truth
    @Unladen Swallow

    Excuse me, let me crack my knuckles before I start...


    ...OK, deconstruction time:


    She looked washed up 9-10 years ago, she was overweight and visibly out of shape, so much so that during one of the Australian Opens she was mocked by Australian and British tabloids pretty strongly in a way that would be inconceivable by any American newspaper, even the supermarket tabloids.
     
    Chis Everett retired at 39 and won her last major at 36.

    Billie Jean King retired at 40 and won her last major at 37.


    Martina Navratilova retired at 37 and won her last major at 34.

    Replies: @tomv, @Unladen Swallow, @Unladen Swallow, @CCR, @John R.

    It seems tennis wasn’t so intense as it is today. Pancho Gonzales was a factor into his ’40s.

    I laughed when Venus said — at age 22 — that she didn’t want to play tennis forever “like Steffi Graf”.

  109. @Kylie
    @San Franciscan non-monk

    I'm also glad to see Truth is back.

    And not just because he is literally the only person who has ever tempted me (albeit unwittingly) to take up role-playing.

    Replies: @Truth

    You have no idea Kylie.

  110. @MarkinLA
    @anon

    Anna Kournikova made a ton more money from her looks than her tennis. Too bad she never did a Playboy spread it would have been worth a fortune by itself.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Had Kournikova done a Playboy spread, she’d have diluted her marketing/spokesmodel value to almost nothing. Luxury goods and apparel (where most tennis players appear) operate under the image of exclusivity, not the cheap commonality of a nude model. Worth a fortune in notoriety, perhaps, but not in income.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Forbes

    That was still true in the late 90s (an era not lacking for craziness), but I'm not at all sure it would be true today.

  111. @Unladen Swallow
    @Truth

    Also BTW, King won her last grand slam title at 31, not 37, Evert at 31, not 36, Navratilova at 33.

    Replies: @Truth

    You’re right, technically. Navratilova was runner-up at 35 and 36 (US and Wimbledon) but she last won at 33.

    Everett was runner-up at 33 and 34.

    King was runner up at 32, I was actually looking at doubles results, but they were all top 10 players until mid to late 30s.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @Truth

    People talk as if the Williams sisters were the first black women tennis stars. Has Althea Gibson been forgotten ?


    ""She is one of the greatest players who ever lived," said Robert Ryland, a tennis contemporary and former coach of Venus and Serena Williams. "Martina couldn't touch her. I think she'd beat the Williams sisters." In the early 1960s she also became the first black player to compete on the women's professional golf tour."
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Althea_Gibson
    , @Unladen Swallow
    @Truth

    You are missing the main point, if you had bothered to read it. They were still good in their 30's but they were not dominating like Serena is right now. None of them were, Graf who was even more dominating then Serena up until age 30, retired at that age precisely because she was no longer dominant. Serena looked over the hill at this point in the tennis season a year ago today at age 32. She got bounced before the quarterfinals in the Australian Open, French Open, and Wimbledon, and only her victory at the US Open salvaged her season. She then used that victory to rattle off four consecutive majors in dominant fashion, in fact more dominant than she has looked in years. You don't find that suspicious? Even though King, Evert, and Navratilova were still good they were still much less in their 30's than they were at their peak age performance wise, Serena after looking washed up a year ago, is completely dominating at 33.

    Replies: @Truth

  112. @Anonymous
    I've been noticing a lot more celebrities in attendance at Wimbledon and the US Open, and more of a circus-y, pop culture atmosphere at the events. Has tennis always been this crass, or is this a recent thing?

    Replies: @Forbes

    More likely the circus-y atmosphere is due to the ESPNization of TV coverage. Tennis, like the rest of sports, are about entertainment–the competition is secondary. Sideline reporters, sideline interviews, sideline camera shots of ‘celebrities’ and other soft stories fill broadcasts–appealing to a female audience.

  113. She never won big, but in the early ’90s, I was attracted to Mary Jo Fernandez. So much so, I thought about how I might meet her at some Florida matches.

    And this from Wikipedia, In 2003, Dr. Wade Exum, the United States Olympic Committee’s director of drug control administration from 1991 to 2000, gave copies of documents to Sports Illustrated which revealed that some 100 American athletes who failed drug tests and should have been prevented from competing in the Olympics were nevertheless cleared to compete. Among those athletes was [Mary Jo] Fernández.

    Since retiring from the tour, Mary Joe Fernández has served as a tennis commentator for ESPN and joined CBS Sports as an analyst for the 2005 U.S. Open. She also coaches the U.S. Fed Cup team and served as the woman’s coach for the 2012 U.S. Olympic tennis team in London.

  114. @Truth
    @Unladen Swallow

    You're right, technically. Navratilova was runner-up at 35 and 36 (US and Wimbledon) but she last won at 33.

    Everett was runner-up at 33 and 34.

    King was runner up at 32, I was actually looking at doubles results, but they were all top 10 players until mid to late 30s.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Unladen Swallow

    People talk as if the Williams sisters were the first black women tennis stars. Has Althea Gibson been forgotten ?

    “She is one of the greatest players who ever lived,” said Robert Ryland, a tennis contemporary and former coach of Venus and Serena Williams. “Martina couldn’t touch her. I think she’d beat the Williams sisters.” In the early 1960s she also became the first black player to compete on the women’s professional golf tour.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Althea_Gibson

  115. @Jeff
    @Unladen Swallow

    "Recall last year she wasn’t even competitive in the same first three slams of the year, and only salvaged her season with winning the last one, the US Open. This year she dominated the same tournaments at age where most even great female players are long since retired. Seems a bit suspicious don’t you think?"

    No I do not think it suspicious. The simple fact is that outliers are not normal people; they are not even 1/1,000. Someone like Serena could very well be 1/1,000,000 or 1/10,000,000. She does not appear to have a muscularity that cannot be achieved through training alone. Some people are just better. My youth was spent in Grand Prix racing. Michael Schumacher absolutely destroyed every teammate that he had. No steroids are required to drive a grand prix car; so what was his secret: maybe a freakish combination of touch, the ability to slow time, dedication, attitude and coolness. Some people are just freaks. In the NFL you have people like Ray Lewis, Barry Sanders, or Bruce Smith. When he went to the combine, Smith was 6' 4", 290 lbs and ran a 4.68 sec 40 yard dash. Do you have any idea how much of a freak of nature that guy was? Go run a 40 on your street. Then imagine a beast of man, clad in plastic running at you at 50% greater speed than you are capable, and with 5x the projecting force. How many people in the world right now have the combination of speed, strength, attitude, dedication that Smith had when he ran that time? 20? I submit that no white person in history has ever been that athletic. No white person, juiced or not, has ever had Barry Sanders freakish abilities. None. Trying to relate to God-gifted athletes is just not possible. Maybe Serena cheats, but I don't see much evidence. Some black people are just gifted and its a joy to watch.

    Replies: @5371, @Deduction

    [Michael Schumacher absolutely destroyed every teammate that he had.]

    In 1999 he was only tied with Eddie Irvine when he broke his leg.

  116. @Truth
    @Unladen Swallow

    You're right, technically. Navratilova was runner-up at 35 and 36 (US and Wimbledon) but she last won at 33.

    Everett was runner-up at 33 and 34.

    King was runner up at 32, I was actually looking at doubles results, but they were all top 10 players until mid to late 30s.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Unladen Swallow

    You are missing the main point, if you had bothered to read it. They were still good in their 30’s but they were not dominating like Serena is right now. None of them were, Graf who was even more dominating then Serena up until age 30, retired at that age precisely because she was no longer dominant. Serena looked over the hill at this point in the tennis season a year ago today at age 32. She got bounced before the quarterfinals in the Australian Open, French Open, and Wimbledon, and only her victory at the US Open salvaged her season. She then used that victory to rattle off four consecutive majors in dominant fashion, in fact more dominant than she has looked in years. You don’t find that suspicious? Even though King, Evert, and Navratilova were still good they were still much less in their 30’s than they were at their peak age performance wise, Serena after looking washed up a year ago, is completely dominating at 33.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Unladen Swallow

    "You don’t find that suspicious?"

    Find what suspicious? I believe that Serena Williams is on PEDs, I'd bet a month's paycheck on it. The point is that so are most of her contemporaries.

    Barry Bonds and roger Clemens were the best hitter and pitcher when they were skinny, and were the best hitter and pitcher when everyone was dirty. Mark Mcguire hit 49 home runs as a skinny-fat rookie. Steroids do not make you all-time great, they bring you up a level from great to all-time great.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

  117. @Forbes
    @MarkinLA

    Had Kournikova done a Playboy spread, she'd have diluted her marketing/spokesmodel value to almost nothing. Luxury goods and apparel (where most tennis players appear) operate under the image of exclusivity, not the cheap commonality of a nude model. Worth a fortune in notoriety, perhaps, but not in income.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    That was still true in the late 90s (an era not lacking for craziness), but I’m not at all sure it would be true today.

  118. @Jeff
    @Unladen Swallow

    "Recall last year she wasn’t even competitive in the same first three slams of the year, and only salvaged her season with winning the last one, the US Open. This year she dominated the same tournaments at age where most even great female players are long since retired. Seems a bit suspicious don’t you think?"

    No I do not think it suspicious. The simple fact is that outliers are not normal people; they are not even 1/1,000. Someone like Serena could very well be 1/1,000,000 or 1/10,000,000. She does not appear to have a muscularity that cannot be achieved through training alone. Some people are just better. My youth was spent in Grand Prix racing. Michael Schumacher absolutely destroyed every teammate that he had. No steroids are required to drive a grand prix car; so what was his secret: maybe a freakish combination of touch, the ability to slow time, dedication, attitude and coolness. Some people are just freaks. In the NFL you have people like Ray Lewis, Barry Sanders, or Bruce Smith. When he went to the combine, Smith was 6' 4", 290 lbs and ran a 4.68 sec 40 yard dash. Do you have any idea how much of a freak of nature that guy was? Go run a 40 on your street. Then imagine a beast of man, clad in plastic running at you at 50% greater speed than you are capable, and with 5x the projecting force. How many people in the world right now have the combination of speed, strength, attitude, dedication that Smith had when he ran that time? 20? I submit that no white person in history has ever been that athletic. No white person, juiced or not, has ever had Barry Sanders freakish abilities. None. Trying to relate to God-gifted athletes is just not possible. Maybe Serena cheats, but I don't see much evidence. Some black people are just gifted and its a joy to watch.

    Replies: @5371, @Deduction

    If Serena were just relying on her undoubted natural gifts, she would be handily beaten by someone willing to cheat.

    PEDs offer a tremendous advantage. You may as well be arguing that Serena doesn’t train at tennis and yet wins through her natural gifts for all the sense that you are making.

  119. @tomv
    @Truth

    What's your point, Truth? Are you saying Serena could be doing what she is now without juicing because those women did what they did then without juicing? Of course not, you're smarter than that.

    It seems you can't help flailing about every time a black person is cast in a negative light, even when the issue isn't race. If Serena were white, Steve would still be writing what he's writing (one of three athletes mentioned in this very post in Mark McGwire, and Rafael Nadal is Steve's favorite example in men's tennis), but your desperate defense would be nowhere to be found.

    Not that it's a surprise, but your race-man shtick is tiresome nonetheless.

    Replies: @Truth

    “It seems you can’t help flailing about every time a black person is cast in a negative light, even when the issue isn’t race.”

    How is raising logical caveats “flailing about…”.

    ” … your race-man shtick is tiresome nonetheless.”

    Believe me, my friend, so is yours.

  120. @Unladen Swallow
    @Truth

    You are missing the main point, if you had bothered to read it. They were still good in their 30's but they were not dominating like Serena is right now. None of them were, Graf who was even more dominating then Serena up until age 30, retired at that age precisely because she was no longer dominant. Serena looked over the hill at this point in the tennis season a year ago today at age 32. She got bounced before the quarterfinals in the Australian Open, French Open, and Wimbledon, and only her victory at the US Open salvaged her season. She then used that victory to rattle off four consecutive majors in dominant fashion, in fact more dominant than she has looked in years. You don't find that suspicious? Even though King, Evert, and Navratilova were still good they were still much less in their 30's than they were at their peak age performance wise, Serena after looking washed up a year ago, is completely dominating at 33.

    Replies: @Truth

    “You don’t find that suspicious?”

    Find what suspicious? I believe that Serena Williams is on PEDs, I’d bet a month’s paycheck on it. The point is that so are most of her contemporaries.

    Barry Bonds and roger Clemens were the best hitter and pitcher when they were skinny, and were the best hitter and pitcher when everyone was dirty. Mark Mcguire hit 49 home runs as a skinny-fat rookie. Steroids do not make you all-time great, they bring you up a level from great to all-time great.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Truth

    "Barry Bonds and roger Clemens were the best hitter and pitcher when they were skinny, and were the best hitter and pitcher when everyone was dirty"

    Yup.

    , @Brutusale
    @Truth

    "...and were the best hitter and pitcher when everyone was dirty."

    Only after a few years in the (for them) mediocrity wilderness, which made both decide that if they needed a few milligrams of the necessary, so be it. Clemens juiced partially to prove haters like Dan Duquette (Clemens is in the twilight of his career!) wrong, while Barry, like a lot of the greats, was internally driven to surpass the guys he considered inferiors who were putting up better numbers.

  121. @Truth
    @Unladen Swallow

    "You don’t find that suspicious?"

    Find what suspicious? I believe that Serena Williams is on PEDs, I'd bet a month's paycheck on it. The point is that so are most of her contemporaries.

    Barry Bonds and roger Clemens were the best hitter and pitcher when they were skinny, and were the best hitter and pitcher when everyone was dirty. Mark Mcguire hit 49 home runs as a skinny-fat rookie. Steroids do not make you all-time great, they bring you up a level from great to all-time great.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

    “Barry Bonds and roger Clemens were the best hitter and pitcher when they were skinny, and were the best hitter and pitcher when everyone was dirty”

    Yup.

  122. @Truth
    @Unladen Swallow

    "You don’t find that suspicious?"

    Find what suspicious? I believe that Serena Williams is on PEDs, I'd bet a month's paycheck on it. The point is that so are most of her contemporaries.

    Barry Bonds and roger Clemens were the best hitter and pitcher when they were skinny, and were the best hitter and pitcher when everyone was dirty. Mark Mcguire hit 49 home runs as a skinny-fat rookie. Steroids do not make you all-time great, they bring you up a level from great to all-time great.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

    “…and were the best hitter and pitcher when everyone was dirty.”

    Only after a few years in the (for them) mediocrity wilderness, which made both decide that if they needed a few milligrams of the necessary, so be it. Clemens juiced partially to prove haters like Dan Duquette (Clemens is in the twilight of his career!) wrong, while Barry, like a lot of the greats, was internally driven to surpass the guys he considered inferiors who were putting up better numbers.

  123. Slightly off topic, but did you know that Jeb Bush and his brother Marvin beat Chris Evert and Pam Shriver in a doubles match in the late 1980’s. (Jeb a pretty good player, #1 at Andover, a minor player at UT/ Marvin too apparently).

  124. I heard on TV the other day that Sharapova makes $20+ million a year from endorsements, while Serenca only makes about $10 mil. Maybe that’s why Serena wanted to beat her like a drum.

  125. @Truth
    @Unladen Swallow

    Excuse me, let me crack my knuckles before I start...


    ...OK, deconstruction time:


    She looked washed up 9-10 years ago, she was overweight and visibly out of shape, so much so that during one of the Australian Opens she was mocked by Australian and British tabloids pretty strongly in a way that would be inconceivable by any American newspaper, even the supermarket tabloids.
     
    Chis Everett retired at 39 and won her last major at 36.

    Billie Jean King retired at 40 and won her last major at 37.


    Martina Navratilova retired at 37 and won her last major at 34.

    Replies: @tomv, @Unladen Swallow, @Unladen Swallow, @CCR, @John R.

    Ok. Reconstruction time (with actual facts).

    Chris Evert (no relation to Chis Everett) retired at 34 and won her last major at 31.

    Billie Jean King retired at 40 and won her last major at 31.

    Martina Navratilova retired at 37 and won her last major at 33.

    Total majors won by Evert, Navratilova, King, Margaret Court and Steffi Graf after their 31st b’days COMBINED: 4 (1 each by each of the first four women)

    Total majors won by S. Williams after her 31st birthday: 6.

    Nothing to see here. Move along.

  126. “Ok. Reconstruction time”

    Hey guys you’re free, now move up north and get a job at a factory.

  127. Williams, 33, who has appeared on the cover of Vogue, is regarded as symbol of beauty by many women.

    Who are these “many” women, exactly? From the evidence presented, not even other female tennis players want to look like her, no less ordinary women. I call B.S. She looks like a gorilla. Women don’t want to look like her.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
    @Cloudbuster


    From the evidence presented, not even other female tennis players want to look like her, no less ordinary women. I call B.S. She looks like a gorilla. Women don’t want to look like her.
     
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Lots of people, including myself, find muscular female bodies beautiful. Some female body builders take it too far, presumably with wildly artificial chemicals, but Serena looks great, aesthetically.

    "Is she doping?" is the more relevant question than subjective judgements of beauty. She definitely looks much more muscular than all the other female tennis players. That isn't quite proof of doping. That could be completely within normal human figure variation. I'm not convinced she is or isn't doping. I don't have an objective measure of judgement and I'm not a personal expert.

    Accusing Serena of doping seems like a wildly risky thing for Sailer to claim. I'm used to Sailer outsmarting everyone else, and it's wildly entertaining when that happens, but he can be completely wrong too. It's hard to objectively prove that she hasn't been doping, but I'm eager to see some proof one way or the other.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  128. I keep my Yahoo account only because of my Flickr photos.

    But the amount of Serena worship [there is really no other word to use]
    published there is astounding!

    I can remember hearing racist insults like “n-word lover” growing up
    in the South, but I cannot think of a better description of how white liberals
    treat blacks.

  129. @Cloudbuster
    Williams, 33, who has appeared on the cover of Vogue, is regarded as symbol of beauty by many women.

    Who are these "many" women, exactly? From the evidence presented, not even other female tennis players want to look like her, no less ordinary women. I call B.S. She looks like a gorilla. Women don't want to look like her.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    From the evidence presented, not even other female tennis players want to look like her, no less ordinary women. I call B.S. She looks like a gorilla. Women don’t want to look like her.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Lots of people, including myself, find muscular female bodies beautiful. Some female body builders take it too far, presumably with wildly artificial chemicals, but Serena looks great, aesthetically.

    “Is she doping?” is the more relevant question than subjective judgements of beauty. She definitely looks much more muscular than all the other female tennis players. That isn’t quite proof of doping. That could be completely within normal human figure variation. I’m not convinced she is or isn’t doping. I don’t have an objective measure of judgement and I’m not a personal expert.

    Accusing Serena of doping seems like a wildly risky thing for Sailer to claim. I’m used to Sailer outsmarting everyone else, and it’s wildly entertaining when that happens, but he can be completely wrong too. It’s hard to objectively prove that she hasn’t been doping, but I’m eager to see some proof one way or the other.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Massimo Heitor

    I'm just saying this isn't most sports fans' first rodeo when it comes to an athlete's late career resurgence. Some recollection of history ought to temper our hero/heroine worship a mite.

  130. @Massimo Heitor
    @Cloudbuster


    From the evidence presented, not even other female tennis players want to look like her, no less ordinary women. I call B.S. She looks like a gorilla. Women don’t want to look like her.
     
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Lots of people, including myself, find muscular female bodies beautiful. Some female body builders take it too far, presumably with wildly artificial chemicals, but Serena looks great, aesthetically.

    "Is she doping?" is the more relevant question than subjective judgements of beauty. She definitely looks much more muscular than all the other female tennis players. That isn't quite proof of doping. That could be completely within normal human figure variation. I'm not convinced she is or isn't doping. I don't have an objective measure of judgement and I'm not a personal expert.

    Accusing Serena of doping seems like a wildly risky thing for Sailer to claim. I'm used to Sailer outsmarting everyone else, and it's wildly entertaining when that happens, but he can be completely wrong too. It's hard to objectively prove that she hasn't been doping, but I'm eager to see some proof one way or the other.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I’m just saying this isn’t most sports fans’ first rodeo when it comes to an athlete’s late career resurgence. Some recollection of history ought to temper our hero/heroine worship a mite.

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