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From the New York Post:
Attorney among 23 charged with domestic terrorism in Atlanta ‘Cop City’ attack
By Emily Crane
March 6, 2023 5:12pm UpdatedAn attorney with the Southern Poverty Law Center is among the 23 protesters who have been charged with domestic terrorism after they allegedly hurled Molotov cocktails and fireworks at a future Atlanta police training facility, cops said Monday.
Thomas Webb Jurgens, 28, was one of the nearly two dozen people detained on Sunday in what police have described as a “coordinated attack” on the still-under-construction Atlanta Public Safety Training Center — dubbed “Cop City.”
Jurgens is a staff attorney with SPLC — the left-leaning, anti-hate group, according to the State Bar of Georgia and his since-deleted LinkedIn page.
Of the 23 people slapped with domestic terrorism charges over the violent protest, Jurgens and only one other man, Jack Beaman, hail from the state of Georgia.
What we saw repeatedly during the George Floyd Memorial Mostly Peaceful Protests of 2020 is that the first night of rioting would be black kids looting local stores. But then on second night, white Antifa riot aficionados would pour in from around the country and do more serious damage, such as arson.
Police said the majority of those arrested are from other parts of the US — as well as France and Canada.
… The SPLC didn’t immediately respond to The Post’s request for comment in the wake of Jurgens’ arrest.
… The ordeal unfolded when the protesters started throwing Molotov cocktails, fireworks, rocks and bricks at officers during the demonstration.
Atlanta Police Chief Darin Schierbaum described the flare-up as “coordinated” and said multiple pieces of construction equipment were set on fire at the 85-acre site outside of the city.
I’ve been calling the SPLC “America’s most lucrative hate group” for decades.
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“Left-leaning”
Pretty funny.
The media uses every chance it gets to describe anyone to the right of the average Republican as “far right”, but they are extremely disinclined to use the phrase “far left” to describe anyone.
Surely in a society in which such a spectrum exists you’d expect to find people and organizations all the way along it, yet mysteriously the left side is overwhelmingly empty until you get to HuffPo and the SPLC an inch left of the centre, with almost everyone else populating the right side.
I’d thought it was almost impossible to face criminal charges if you were a member of Antifa–it seemed to enjoy semi-official status. New York City dropped criminal charges against 95% of the rioters arrested in the summer of 2020. According to the New York Times, the city recently agreed to pay $21,500 each to 320 demonstrators who were penned in by the police in the Bronx during “racial justice protests” in 2020.
Will the imprisoned J6 trespassers ever receive restitution?
Not a good look at a time when Buckhead is trying to secede from Atlanta. No federal charges yet, but I would expect that to change at some point so that Garland can show how balanced his DoJ is; although I wouldnt expect that the federal sentencing would do much more than get the antifa to a low security federal prison which is probably nicer than Georgia state pen.
Semi-OT
The withheld 1/6 video shows what we all knew — that the “insurrection” was a totally fake set up and that the media and the Jan 6 Committee are a bunch of liars. But what else is new.
Which reminds me, why haven't we been given an explanation as to why Pelosi's office evidently didn't lift a finger to augment security even though it is well settled that they had, at bare minimum, at least a week's notice (probably even more) that the 1/6 rally was going to be a big one and that there may be problems. And what gives with this guy Epps and those other "federal agents" who were sprinkled about the crowd?
Did the Dems in fact "want" this thing to happen?Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @ThreeCranes
"This video is private"
Big Brother doesn't even pretend, anymore.
He just kicks you in the teeth, and dares you to object.Replies: @Hrw-500
I love ‘the ordeal unfolded’. That’s a new one.
Can’t confirm (people can say anything on Twitter) but supposedly the state of Georgia is pursuing domestic terrorism charges against several arrestees. The Feds, to no one’s surprise, are not assisting or cooperating in that.
Look at that punkass Abbie Hoffman wannabe. Will he do ANY time?
The arrested lawyer will be writing domestic threat analysis for the FBI.
Question from neighboring Tennessee:
Is there a specific reason this police/fire/training headquarters is being targeted?
Can elections be held therein, stopping cheating with paper ballots because of all the badged-officers around? We have had early voting at fire-hall locations before.
The arrested antifis (plural of antifa is antifi?) were mostly out of state, very white, a couple of transfolk if the given names are to be believed.
Real terror/sabatoge acts against the United States could be carried out under the cover of white supremacist groups, antifa, BLM, some Muslim groups, Friends-of-the-Earth environmental groups, animal rights groups, et cetera. Those are many options to blend in for Russian, Iranian, or Chinese saboteurs. They could always pose as some of our legions of homeless drug addicts and schizophrenic also. These groups pose a threat if they attack the right things like electronic substations, medical warehouses, etc. I wish our FBI would do its job here.
Twenty-three arrested and only two from Georgia: a lawyer and some chick named Jack.
...........................................they crossed state lines!
Which, as we know from CNN and MSNBC, is some kind of grave offense in itself.
The founders of "Our Democracy" (trade mark) never intended that people should be free to travel from state to state. They envisioned an internal passport system like the Soviet Union had. At least, that's what I've learned from the dull-witted Nichole Wallace and her retinue of idiot MSNBC contributors.Replies: @Curle
Defund the police, defund antifa, defund the splc, defund blm!
Will the imprisoned J6 trespassers ever receive restitution?Replies: @couch scientist, @tyrone, @Corpse Tooth, @Recently Based
It is rare, but seems to be getting less rare since this form of terrorism deligitamizes the Biden regime.
Not a good look at a time when Buckhead is trying to secede from Atlanta. No federal charges yet, but I would expect that to change at some point so that Garland can show how balanced his DoJ is; although I wouldnt expect that the federal sentencing would do much more than get the antifa to a low security federal prison which is probably nicer than Georgia state pen.
Once it is a done deal, I could see feds coming in for statistics’ sakes.
Thomas Webb Jurgens = Jew babe thrums song.
Okay, he’s probably no more Jewish than Chief Schierbaum is, just another crazy Kraut like the Kenosha Three. But one might imagine an Ochs or a Dylan singing about him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnZevusb-hY
OT: I don’t necessarily want to start a thread arguing about Ukraine, but rather I think it is an interesting point that comparing the MSM/Deep State media coverage with independent alternative information is a perfect test case of how MSM-Americans and contrarians are in two separate universes as to what the facts are and what they think they know about reality.
German Military Blogger Bernhart (Moon of Alabama): The Ukrainians are effectively surrounded and getting slaughtered in their trenches by the Russians’ 10:1 firepower superiority. Their only chance to survive is to abandon their heavy weapons and make a run for it through the artillery gauntlet to safety. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/why-bakhmut-is-falling.html#more
CNN’s version: The Russians are incompetent losers whom the Ukrainians have lured to their destruction in the insignificant town of Bakhmut, where they are being destroyed at a ratio of 7:1 because (as mentioned) the Russians are incompetent losers. But the Ukrainians have grown so tired of winning that they intend to make a controlled tactical redeployment in the opposite direction, away from the city. When this happens, however, it is not to be interpreted as any kind of defeat, but rather as another very smart victory over the incompetent loser Russians. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/europe/russia-ukraine-bakhmut-analysis-intl/index.html
From CNN:
Moon of Alabama Report:
For a rational look at the bigger picture, You might find Big Serge's recent piece worth hopping over to
"Schrodinger's Offensive"
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-schrodingers
https://i.ibb.co/YpTycQ3/Screenshot-20230306-212444-Firefox.jpg
I fear that you may be right. I know we are in bad shape but if the above is true, then we are in worse shape than I even thought we were.
And pretty sure CNN doesn't know either. But why you--or anyone--would think this "Moon of Alabama" character knows either is beyond me. Commenters here have been breathlessly forwarding links from this blatherer and other war bozos explaining the imminent collapse of the Ukrainians for an entire year now. Wrong. Wrong. Oh, got this bit right. Wrong again.
Russia is a much bigger, richer nation with nukes (i.e. Ukraine was no "existential threat") so if it keeps banging away it should eventually "win"--i.e. blast its way through the rest of Ukraine. So these guys can eventually be "right". "Told you so!"
But why should anyone pay any attention to them now? I have this weird quirk toward empiricism. If you keep feeding me bullshit ... I conclude you are a bullshitter.Replies: @Anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @wj
This comment has been up for over 10 hours and we don't have a dozen JackD posts, repeating himself over and over. Bizarre.
Agree: Johann Ricke
To echo a recently retired political thinker, fighting russia serves no vital American interest.
I see five things going on in this war:
1. Permitting fake president/real gangster Joe Biden to further pauperize White Americans;
2. Permitting fake president/real gangster Joe Biden to stuff his pockets with tens of additional billions of American Whites’ tax dollars;
3. Permitting comedian/gangster Vladimir Zelensky to stuff his pockets with tens of billions of American Whites’ tax dollars;
4. Permitting American defense contractors to stuff their pockets with tens of additional billions of American Whites’ tax dollars; and
5. To bring us to the brink of nuclear war.Replies: @William Badwhite, @Veteran Aryan
OT: This transphobic troglodyte needs to be canceled, posthaste!
My recollection was anarchists first, black looters second. After the looting, the anarchists kept at it because they had a political grudge, but they were first, looters second.
Here’s the statement the SPLC released after a mob of entirely black Memphis cops kicked the shit out of Tyre Nichols:
Please let me know if you managed to read all the way through that statement without laughing your ass off.
The current head of the SPLC is a half-Chinese woman named Margaret Huang. We all know that Chinese attitudes towards blacks are far more enlightened than those of your average white Republican.
The legal profession is uniquely responsible for the Summer of Floyd, not just Soros DAs but all those rioters all had the number to the local legal aid type society. They had every kind of assistance and it was all gratis. This was in communities that bothered to arrest rioters. Without lawyers like that, the rioting would have been stopped.
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How is my post from this morning not done with moderation? It’s the most iStevey thing that has happened recently in the public consciousness and it’s absolutely enabling total normies to Notice. These past few years have been wierdly bad for transportation, for some reason, and now Biden’s pick to head the recently embarassed FAA cannot answer basic questions about the FAA despite having supposedly run an airport.
I recall the riots in Baltimore after Freddie Grey got shut down pretty quickly. Baltimore is black-run and they weren’t tolerating a challenge to their authority.
Atlanta is also black-run and does not need to put up with protestors.
This was the pattern during the various lesser demonstrations that plagued Oakland, California ten-fifteen years ago.
Blacks would show up to loot; but it was the whites who would concentrate on property damage.
At a minimum, one can wonder if the legal indulgence with which this behavior was treated led to it suddenly becoming so widespread in 2020. If those earlier rioters had been treated like the January 6th protestors, would they have been so widely emulated?
FTFY.
2020 was year zero. But much strategy and network building came before. The origins of our current dilemma can be found in the Bush-Cheney period wherein a still mysterious and quite dramatic death ritual birthed new security state infrastructures. The Obama-Holder era -- the dawn of globohomo America -- witnessed the 9/11 security state apparatus turned inward toward domestic enemies of globohomo. Globalist funding crosses partisan boundaries as does the malignant Zionist-neoconservative cult.
I forget–who are the good guys, and who are the bad guys?
Defund the police, defund antifa, defund the splc, defund blm!
This is consistent with the pattern going back before the Summer of Floyd to the statue toppling: when the police do arrest and identify the rioters, they’re never the local community, they’re always from out of state.
Pretty funny.
The media uses every chance it gets to describe anyone to the right of the average Republican as “far right”, but they are extremely disinclined to use the phrase “far left” to describe anyone.
Surely in a society in which such a spectrum exists you’d expect to find people and organizations all the way along it, yet mysteriously the left side is overwhelmingly empty until you get to HuffPo and the SPLC an inch left of the centre, with almost everyone else populating the right side.Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
Even funnier is “anti-hate”.
I’m genuinely perplexed. Atlanta is Blacktopia. If you keep to the typical black behavioral norms you are not going to be arrested.
Is this a civil war between the Dave Chapelle-negroes and the Stacey Abrams-esque negroes?
The organized political thug violence of Antifa seems particularly attractive to a certain stratum of German society. The same stratum that ended up heavily represented in the Oregon and Washington emigrations, it seems.
But not in the Amish / Mennonite waves of German emigration to the Mid-Atlantic, or the Kurt Vonnegut types who settled the Rust Belt and Midwest, or whoever it was who founded the New Braunfels Herald-Zeitung (herald-zeitung.com) in Texas. Also not the German Jews of upper Manhattan and Riverdale, NY (www.kajinc.org/about) or the gentile Germans of Yorkville (www.heidelberg-nyc.com/#about).
Oh, there's an Albion's Seed book to be written here, by someone fluent in German at least.Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
Talk about a distinction without a difference
The local black (and white) establishment doesn't want to turn into Seattle or Portland.
Atlanta is in Georgia, not California or Connecticut.
Southerners are not hospitable to "Yankees" from wherever, coming in to cause violence for the local powers that be. In this case, mostly black, as are much of the law enforcement there.
I think some of the recent anti Woke election results are sinking in. Lori Lightfoot, we hardly knew ye...
While the "there is no Antifa" FBI sits on their hands and investigates suspicious nooses, the local politicians are not so cowardly.
Despite their pretensions, very few Woke comrades are other than White. Though riots and vandalism does attract dusky opportunists eager for looting. In this case the acts were in a remote forested area with nothing to steal. So the Comrades had no BIPOC cover or excuses.
The odd side effect of this Democrat inspired gangsterism is that the local black run Democrat politicians gained a measure of respect for their intolerance of leftist attacks.
In this, they have shown more guts against domestic terrorism than any of Biden's police state puppets at the federal level.
German Military Blogger Bernhart (Moon of Alabama): The Ukrainians are effectively surrounded and getting slaughtered in their trenches by the Russians' 10:1 firepower superiority. Their only chance to survive is to abandon their heavy weapons and make a run for it through the artillery gauntlet to safety. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/why-bakhmut-is-falling.html#more
CNN's version: The Russians are incompetent losers whom the Ukrainians have lured to their destruction in the insignificant town of Bakhmut, where they are being destroyed at a ratio of 7:1 because (as mentioned) the Russians are incompetent losers. But the Ukrainians have grown so tired of winning that they intend to make a controlled tactical redeployment in the opposite direction, away from the city. When this happens, however, it is not to be interpreted as any kind of defeat, but rather as another very smart victory over the incompetent loser Russians. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/europe/russia-ukraine-bakhmut-analysis-intl/index.html
From CNN:Moon of Alabama Report:Replies: @Post-Postmodernist, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @HammerJack, @Prester John, @AnotherDad, @William Badwhite, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @Nicholas Stix, @Papi_vergudo
A good general rule concerning where actual reality more-often-than-not lies? Somewhere between each of the respective polarized narratives. As the old saw goes, at least three sides to every story…
Jack; "But which wire, PoMod? Which wire do I cut?'
PoMod; "The orange one. Cut the orange one. And don't make a mistake or this whole place blows."
Jack; "But there's three orange ones. One with a white stripe, one with a black stripe and one with no stripe at all."
PoMod; "The one that isn't tainted with black or white. Avoid extremes."
Jack; "Okay. Here goes...."
KABLOOOY.
Anyone who's worked with wires knows that you can't formulate some kind of general rule ahead of time. You've got to patiently follow the diagram, tracing each wire from source to destination. So too a good manager listens to each of his quarreling subordinate's "narratives" from start to finish and makes an impartial judgement.
I worked with a guy who once said to me much the same thing as you have. Here's from his personnel file:
"A mediocre careerist. Frustrated by how his career stagnates at mid-management. Don't expect anything exceptional from this person who has said right up front that he cleaves to the safe, inoffensive, middle. Formulaic approach to challenging situations. Will stand in the way of truly innovative, hard-driving peers who set a pace he cannot match."
Summary: Not recommend for promotion to gatekeeper position.
There is likely a memo circulating in the director’s office at the SPLC on getting America down to 40% white by 2050 to make the conditions for a nationwide hate movement impossible.
Nope. That might’ve been true when the left weren’t full communists. And it’s a stupid and excessive concession to make, totally inappropriate and unjustified by the facts. We are seeing this in real time with “refugees” and with depolicing, with the defeat of Lori Lightfoot.
This is a good example of when the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy. Whatever you think of antifa, the US police is most definitely NOT on your side. The typical policeman would never think twice to commit any act ordered by the regime.
So if a crime were committed against this lawyer or his property or his family, he wouldn’t call the police. He and his antifa buds would just throw some Molotov cocktails at the criminal[s]?
Not asking for a friend, just idly wondering. Because his home address seems to be readily available online. Also some journo seems to have gotten in touch with his dad. I’d be worried if I was him. Not wanting anything to happen to my dog or cat sure helps keep me on the straight and narrow.
Then again, that’s the point. These losers are pretty much invulnerable. The justice system won’t do jack to them. And no one else seems willing to explain things to them in a way they can understand. Must be nice to have choices without consequences.
Jurgens is a staff attorney with SPLC — the left-leaning hate group, according to the State Bar of Georgia and his since-deleted LinkedIn page.
There. ftfy.
German Military Blogger Bernhart (Moon of Alabama): The Ukrainians are effectively surrounded and getting slaughtered in their trenches by the Russians' 10:1 firepower superiority. Their only chance to survive is to abandon their heavy weapons and make a run for it through the artillery gauntlet to safety. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/why-bakhmut-is-falling.html#more
CNN's version: The Russians are incompetent losers whom the Ukrainians have lured to their destruction in the insignificant town of Bakhmut, where they are being destroyed at a ratio of 7:1 because (as mentioned) the Russians are incompetent losers. But the Ukrainians have grown so tired of winning that they intend to make a controlled tactical redeployment in the opposite direction, away from the city. When this happens, however, it is not to be interpreted as any kind of defeat, but rather as another very smart victory over the incompetent loser Russians. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/europe/russia-ukraine-bakhmut-analysis-intl/index.html
From CNN:Moon of Alabama Report:Replies: @Post-Postmodernist, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @HammerJack, @Prester John, @AnotherDad, @William Badwhite, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @Nicholas Stix, @Papi_vergudo
Bakhmut is such an unimportant town that the Uke’s have sacrificed at least 30,000 men to keep it.
For a rational look at the bigger picture, You might find Big Serge’s recent piece worth hopping over to
“Schrodinger’s Offensive”
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-schrodingers
Will the imprisoned J6 trespassers ever receive restitution?Replies: @couch scientist, @tyrone, @Corpse Tooth, @Recently Based
“the city recently agreed to pay $21,500 each to 320 demonstrators who were penned in by the police in the Bronx during “racial justice protests” in 2020″……….right ,that would be “kettling” ,an effective technique for controlling these violent animals ,democrats have to get money to their street thugs somehow…..always being on call to fly around the country to riot ain’t cheap.
……..If we get a MAGA /America first president with the same in congress , yes.
Personal grooming issues. The short back and sides is so 50s America.
“……..If we get a MAGA /America first president with the same in congress , yes.”
No. Never. You already had a MAGA President with both houses Republican, a solid conservative plurality on SCROTUM and a Republican majority of the State Houses and Governors’ Mansions.
And nothing happened. Not one single MAGA thing. Nothing. Happened.
People complain about the coming Democrat permanent one-party state, but we’ve already been living in a permanent one-party state for a very long time. It’s just going to become openly stated. And get worse.
We are reminded that throwing molotov cocktails is anti-hate.
….Both houses ? you mean Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell blocking Trump’s agenda …the Republican Party needs to be field stripped….
….Yes , that’s right , movements like the tea party ,MAGA and Trump have helped expose this and hopefully stop us sleepwalking into totalitarianism. Ask yourself why Trump is willing to endure another four year shit-storm , it’s certainly not for himself.
German Military Blogger Bernhart (Moon of Alabama): The Ukrainians are effectively surrounded and getting slaughtered in their trenches by the Russians' 10:1 firepower superiority. Their only chance to survive is to abandon their heavy weapons and make a run for it through the artillery gauntlet to safety. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/why-bakhmut-is-falling.html#more
CNN's version: The Russians are incompetent losers whom the Ukrainians have lured to their destruction in the insignificant town of Bakhmut, where they are being destroyed at a ratio of 7:1 because (as mentioned) the Russians are incompetent losers. But the Ukrainians have grown so tired of winning that they intend to make a controlled tactical redeployment in the opposite direction, away from the city. When this happens, however, it is not to be interpreted as any kind of defeat, but rather as another very smart victory over the incompetent loser Russians. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/europe/russia-ukraine-bakhmut-analysis-intl/index.html
From CNN:Moon of Alabama Report:Replies: @Post-Postmodernist, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @HammerJack, @Prester John, @AnotherDad, @William Badwhite, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @Nicholas Stix, @Papi_vergudo
Re: Ukraine — As has been discussed in prior threads, the war spells disaster for this nation, whether its armed forces ‘win’ or ‘lose’ on the battlefield.
The effectiveness of billions of dollars of unaccountable and untraceable aid in curbing corruption, in one of the world’s most corrupt and entrepreneurship-hostile countries.
Before the war, Ukraine’s TFR was 1.4 (2.1 children per woman means a stable population). The country is suffering Great War level casualties of young men. Millions of young women and children have fled; it seems inevitable that many or most will become emigres (see “opportunities for regular people in a corrupt, oligarch-dominated society awash in weapons,” supra).
Blinken, Nuland, Austin, Biden et al. take great comfort in the damage that the war is also inflicting on Russia. “Let’s you and him fight” driving Russia into China’s arms — what could possibly go wrong?
Russia's--the state--has a bit higher fertility than Ukraine. But that's because of Muslims. Chechnya has the highest fertility. Other heavily muzzie states follow. And then there are millions (supposedly 7 million) "temporary" workers and millions more illegals mostly from the 'stans. Actual "Russian" vs. actual "Ukrainian" fertility was probably pretty much a wash. The Ukranian population situation was much better, because fewer muslims and immigrants.
A nation can deal with a population decline. They've been common. Wars. The plague scythed through Europe, maybe killing a 1/3 of the people. (In some villages, towns, districts--90%!) But then life after--Mathusian pressure temporary lifted--was pretty good. And populations bounced back.
Breeder types--often religious, but also just people with pro-natal, pro-family, pro-child genotypes-will bring on population recovery in every nation.
But they have to be allowed to do so. That basically means preventing invaders coming in and stealing and quashing your nation's natural population recovery. It means beating down--if necessary defenestrating--the "must have immigration!" bleaters. (We know who they are.)
Western "elites" are genocidally destroying their nations. But the imperialist Putin is almost as bad. Making war to keep Chechnya in Russia. Millions of legal "temporary worker" invaders. Millions more illegals. Muzzies expanding across Russia. Asses in the air in Moscow. Basically Putin's pissed on Russia's--the actual Russian people's--future in order to be big swinging dick imperialist--Czar Vlad.
And yes, Putin now has even more to answer for. His sleazy imperialist war is a debacle for Ukraine--killing tens of thousands, including some of the best of its men and sending millions into exile. But it's a debacle for Russia as well. Thousands of young men killed. Hundreds of thousands running into exile. The economy and "affordable family formation" put into reverse.
Example: a neighbor of mine employs a squad of Russians to write the software for his product. He's got a couple of smart young hot-shots. He told 'em--don't worry about work, do what you gotta do. They've both fled Russia--one to one of the 'stans, the other to the Philippines--to avoid being Putin's cannon fodder. Precisely the sort of smart, go-getter young men you want impregnating Russian girls, fathering the next generation--gone, probably for good.
Imperialism and imperialists are bad for nations--often including their own. And Putin is a world class imperialist a*hole.Replies: @Jack D, @Cagey Beast
I think this is the key point for the US in this war. The super-geniuses who had us pour untold resources into the sands of Iraq and Afghanistan chasing the chimera of nation-building now think they are using Ukraine as a cat's paw against Russia. The reality is closer to China using Russia as a cat's paw against the US.Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
Don’t you just hate it when good things happen to bad people?
Oddly enough, it turns out I don't.
The SPLC promoted a novel legal theory at one point: that an organization could be held civilly and criminally liable for what it’s members did, even if it was not done under their auspices. I have discussed this huge legal stretch of liability law with top civil rights attorneys over the years. I said to him that I felt this was a dangerous precedent- should all members of the AAA be held jointly liable if one member of that group used an automobile to rob a bank? His response was that it was indeed an operation condoned by the group- they were using the group as a legal cover. Well, what just happened in Atlanta? And aided and abetted by an SPLC staff attorney, no less.
This is how the SPLC bankrupted and wound up owning the headquarters of a group that they claimed was responsible for what some of its members had done to a black man, which was basically scaring him, IIRC.
Shouldn’t this same logic, and the precedent set in court by the SPLC, be used to get a serious judgement against America’s Premier Anti-White Hate Group? Why shouldn’t their Poverty Palace be seized and owned by those harmed and/or frightened by the actions of this lawyer and his fellow travellers? Shouldn’t a lawyer know his actions were illegal? Shouldn’t he be held to a higher standard?
Wiki says that UKA was held responsible for the actions of "individual members". I would guess that the SPLC's strategy has something to do with showing a pattern where multiple of an org's members create the tortious act, the org in some way organizes or promotes the act, etc.
If so, that would seem to exclude getting a judgment against AAA for the unrelated misdeed of a member, but it would perhaps countenance the possibility of the SPLC being on the hook for the misdeeds of its Antifa-esque members.
The problem in the instance of Thomas Webb Jurgens' firebombing is that the plaintiff would have to be whatever government body owns "Cop City", and as we know, US and state governments tend to treat the SPLC and Antifa as friendly auxiliaries, so the chance of the government launching a civil suit against their de facto allies is about nil.Replies: @Charlesz Martel
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center
The strategy was first used to go after the killers of a black man, who was lynched. But if you keep reading, they used this strategy to continue to go get people who had done a lot less- harassment and frightening, not significantly different than what Antifa did hundreds of times
I’m not sure what the procedure should be when the Government refuses to prosecute a person or group for murder. But should private groups set themselves up as a parallel legal system to convict people whose views they disagree with? If you read the Wikipedia article, it’s fairly obvious that the SPLC used thus same strategy over and over, including using Antifa as a “private army’s to enforce their views.
They don’t seem to do that to Muslim groups who openly advocate the extermination of non-Muslims.
I wonder why?
I assumed an accidental highlight-and-cut eliminated a word that was there between anti– and hate. A word like democracy or freedom or white or rule-of-law.
The State Bar will decide that his actions lacked “moral turpitude” because he believed in his cause and thought he was doing the right thing. He will be suspended for a month or two while he does pro bono work. (At the SPLC, probably.). After that will come a lucrative career as a personal-injury lawyer; “the molotov-cocktail lawyer”; a PI lawyer can’t ask for a better reputation-enhancer than that; a real fighter. This reputation-burnishing argument is not satire; just listen to the lawyer ads on the radio – – We’ll fight for you.
But Chinese, like Jews, are expert at figuring out which way the wind blows in the societies they infiltrate. And if the wind isn’t blowing hard enough, they’re skilled at finding ways to increase the airflow. That whites are on the receiving end is just coincidental.
This guy, for instance, is definitely not J.
The Js themselves said so.
https://i.ibb.co/9tdWRfX/Screenshot-20230307-201834-Daily-Mail-Online.jpgReplies: @Jack D
German Military Blogger Bernhart (Moon of Alabama): The Ukrainians are effectively surrounded and getting slaughtered in their trenches by the Russians' 10:1 firepower superiority. Their only chance to survive is to abandon their heavy weapons and make a run for it through the artillery gauntlet to safety. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/why-bakhmut-is-falling.html#more
CNN's version: The Russians are incompetent losers whom the Ukrainians have lured to their destruction in the insignificant town of Bakhmut, where they are being destroyed at a ratio of 7:1 because (as mentioned) the Russians are incompetent losers. But the Ukrainians have grown so tired of winning that they intend to make a controlled tactical redeployment in the opposite direction, away from the city. When this happens, however, it is not to be interpreted as any kind of defeat, but rather as another very smart victory over the incompetent loser Russians. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/europe/russia-ukraine-bakhmut-analysis-intl/index.html
From CNN:Moon of Alabama Report:Replies: @Post-Postmodernist, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @HammerJack, @Prester John, @AnotherDad, @William Badwhite, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @Nicholas Stix, @Papi_vergudo
This is the WSJ, certain that with just enough more trannies and diversity, we’ll soon be able to whip
German Military Blogger Bernhart (Moon of Alabama): The Ukrainians are effectively surrounded and getting slaughtered in their trenches by the Russians' 10:1 firepower superiority. Their only chance to survive is to abandon their heavy weapons and make a run for it through the artillery gauntlet to safety. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/why-bakhmut-is-falling.html#more
CNN's version: The Russians are incompetent losers whom the Ukrainians have lured to their destruction in the insignificant town of Bakhmut, where they are being destroyed at a ratio of 7:1 because (as mentioned) the Russians are incompetent losers. But the Ukrainians have grown so tired of winning that they intend to make a controlled tactical redeployment in the opposite direction, away from the city. When this happens, however, it is not to be interpreted as any kind of defeat, but rather as another very smart victory over the incompetent loser Russians. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/europe/russia-ukraine-bakhmut-analysis-intl/index.html
From CNN:Moon of Alabama Report:Replies: @Post-Postmodernist, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @HammerJack, @Prester John, @AnotherDad, @William Badwhite, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @Nicholas Stix, @Papi_vergudo
“…MSM-Americans and contrarians are in two separate universes as to what the facts are and what they think they know about reality.”
I fear that you may be right. I know we are in bad shape but if the above is true, then we are in worse shape than I even thought we were.
This is how the SPLC bankrupted and wound up owning the headquarters of a group that they claimed was responsible for what some of its members had done to a black man, which was basically scaring him, IIRC.
Shouldn't this same logic, and the precedent set in court by the SPLC, be used to get a serious judgement against America's Premier Anti-White Hate Group? Why shouldn't their Poverty Palace be seized and owned by those harmed and/or frightened by the actions of this lawyer and his fellow travellers? Shouldn't a lawyer know his actions were illegal? Shouldn't he be held to a higher standard?Replies: @Almost Missouri
I presume you refer to this passage from the SPLC’s Wiki entry:
As far as I can tell, the SPLC’s targets haven’t appealed any adverse judgements, so the case law is not easy to find, and newspaper accounts are typically superficial.
Wiki says that UKA was held responsible for the actions of “individual members“. I would guess that the SPLC’s strategy has something to do with showing a pattern where multiple of an org’s members create the tortious act, the org in some way organizes or promotes the act, etc.
If so, that would seem to exclude getting a judgment against AAA for the unrelated misdeed of a member, but it would perhaps countenance the possibility of the SPLC being on the hook for the misdeeds of its Antifa-esque members.
The problem in the instance of Thomas Webb Jurgens’ firebombing is that the plaintiff would have to be whatever government body owns “Cop City”, and as we know, US and state governments tend to treat the SPLC and Antifa as friendly auxiliaries, so the chance of the government launching a civil suit against their de facto allies is about nil.
The withheld 1/6 video shows what we all knew -- that the "insurrection" was a totally fake set up and that the media and the Jan 6 Committee are a bunch of liars. But what else is new.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbQOF1bNqloReplies: @Prester John, @vinteuil, @Almost Missouri
Tucker went full Alt-Right last night—to be continued tonight.
Which reminds me, why haven’t we been given an explanation as to why Pelosi’s office evidently didn’t lift a finger to augment security even though it is well settled that they had, at bare minimum, at least a week’s notice (probably even more) that the 1/6 rally was going to be a big one and that there may be problems. And what gives with this guy Epps and those other “federal agents” who were sprinkled about the crowd?
Did the Dems in fact “want” this thing to happen?
I believe they did. They are Machiavellian--demonically so. There's a reason Sam Francis dubbed them the Evil Party and the Republicans the Stupid Party.
The Dems had already ordered the twelve foot chain link fencing and concertina wire that cordoned off the traditional parade route; the fencing which was to keep the surging crowd of maddened Trump protestors from ruining the inauguration. Problem was, the MAGA people weren't playing the part they were assigned. Instead of running amok and wreaking havoc at the capital two weeks before, they were, for the most part, well behaved and respectful. So, the riot had to be goosed by government thugs. It was all, ultimately, about making the inauguration look besieged and the Dems as the saviors of Democracy.
When all the mayhem failed to materialize, the Jewish dominated Dems doubled down, as they predictably do. They ran with the "insurrection" story even though there was no evidence of such. No problem, they told themselves, we'll not only spin it on our media, but even appoint a Congressional panel to invent--slash that--investigate it.
Again, the problem, from their perspective, is that MAGA people are good, well-intentioned citizens who just won't conform to the Dem's projected villainy.
OT: 4 Americans kidnapped in Mexico identified as South Carolina mother and friends traveling for a medical procedure
The four Americans who authorities say were kidnapped in Mexico on Friday were a tight-knit group of friends traveling from South Carolina so one of them — a mother of six — could undergo a medical procedure across the border, two family members told CNN.
Latavia “Tay” Washington McGee, 33, drove to Mexico with Shaeed Woodard, Zindell Brown and their friend Eric for the procedure, but she never made it to her doctor’s appointment on Friday, her mother Barbara Burgess told CNN.
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2023/03/07/4-americans-kidnapped-in-mexico-identified-as-south-carolina-mother-and-friends-traveling-for-a-medical-procedure/
I assume from the names that the unfortunate victims are black. And in fact:
Investigators believe the Americans were targeted by a Mexican cartel that likely mistook them for Haitian drug smugglers, a US official familiar with the ongoing investigation tells CNN.
That doesn’t help much. It only prolongs the day of reckoning.
Jack; “But which wire, PoMod? Which wire do I cut?’
PoMod; “The orange one. Cut the orange one. And don’t make a mistake or this whole place blows.”
Jack; “But there’s three orange ones. One with a white stripe, one with a black stripe and one with no stripe at all.”
PoMod; “The one that isn’t tainted with black or white. Avoid extremes.”
Jack; “Okay. Here goes….”
KABLOOOY.
Anyone who’s worked with wires knows that you can’t formulate some kind of general rule ahead of time. You’ve got to patiently follow the diagram, tracing each wire from source to destination. So too a good manager listens to each of his quarreling subordinate’s “narratives” from start to finish and makes an impartial judgement.
I worked with a guy who once said to me much the same thing as you have. Here’s from his personnel file:
“A mediocre careerist. Frustrated by how his career stagnates at mid-management. Don’t expect anything exceptional from this person who has said right up front that he cleaves to the safe, inoffensive, middle. Formulaic approach to challenging situations. Will stand in the way of truly innovative, hard-driving peers who set a pace he cannot match.”
Summary: Not recommend for promotion to gatekeeper position.
Agree, up till the personal injury lawyer part. Jurgens is probably too much of a true believer and not enough of an entrepreneur for that.
Blacks would show up to loot; but it was the whites who would concentrate on property damage.
At a minimum, one can wonder if the legal indulgence with which this behavior was treated led to it suddenly becoming so widespread in 2020. If those earlier rioters had been treated like the January 6th protestors, would they have been so widely emulated?Replies: @Prester John, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Corpse Tooth
The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. The neo-Marxists who abound within the rarefied air of High Academe (and who collectively serve as the engine, the “brains” as it were, which drives the demokrat party) despise the petit bourgeoisie as much if not more than their Marxist forebears.
German Military Blogger Bernhart (Moon of Alabama): The Ukrainians are effectively surrounded and getting slaughtered in their trenches by the Russians' 10:1 firepower superiority. Their only chance to survive is to abandon their heavy weapons and make a run for it through the artillery gauntlet to safety. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/why-bakhmut-is-falling.html#more
CNN's version: The Russians are incompetent losers whom the Ukrainians have lured to their destruction in the insignificant town of Bakhmut, where they are being destroyed at a ratio of 7:1 because (as mentioned) the Russians are incompetent losers. But the Ukrainians have grown so tired of winning that they intend to make a controlled tactical redeployment in the opposite direction, away from the city. When this happens, however, it is not to be interpreted as any kind of defeat, but rather as another very smart victory over the incompetent loser Russians. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/europe/russia-ukraine-bakhmut-analysis-intl/index.html
From CNN:Moon of Alabama Report:Replies: @Post-Postmodernist, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @HammerJack, @Prester John, @AnotherDad, @William Badwhite, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @Nicholas Stix, @Papi_vergudo
I don’t have this obsessive desire to follow the blow by blow of Putin’s War. No idea whether the Ukrainians are mounting a brave heroic defense in this or that town and killing the Russian invaders in scores … or getting their ass handed to them.
And pretty sure CNN doesn’t know either. But why you–or anyone–would think this “Moon of Alabama” character knows either is beyond me. Commenters here have been breathlessly forwarding links from this blatherer and other war bozos explaining the imminent collapse of the Ukrainians for an entire year now. Wrong. Wrong. Oh, got this bit right. Wrong again.
Russia is a much bigger, richer nation with nukes (i.e. Ukraine was no “existential threat”) so if it keeps banging away it should eventually “win”–i.e. blast its way through the rest of Ukraine. So these guys can eventually be “right”. “Told you so!”
But why should anyone pay any attention to them now? I have this weird quirk toward empiricism. If you keep feeding me bullshit … I conclude you are a bullshitter.
So why pour $10 billion a month into Ukraine and get the whole nation destroyed in the "banging away" process? Why not cut a deal? (probably too late now anyway).
The empirical facts to inform these decisions would be the actual losses being suffered on the respective sides. But since those are a big secret being kept from the American people (like most things these days), propagandists can make up facts (like CNN claiming 7:1 casualty advantage for Ukraine) to justify the policies.
You are right, of course, that there is no real reason to pay attention now. The Biden administration will do whatever it wants anyway. Years from now historians can argue about how it was all allowed to happen the way it did.Replies: @AnotherDad, @Mark G.
Putin, being a true leader, had his fill of border incursions and threats from the west. He is taking care of that and will be successful at a price. Iwo Jima, Normandy and Okinawa came at a price also.
Okay, he's probably no more Jewish than Chief Schierbaum is, just another crazy Kraut like the Kenosha Three. But one might imagine an Ochs or a Dylan singing about him.Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
Here’s a far lesser-known and non-Jewish singer-songwriter’s paean to another locally-grown terrorist:
The SPLC will hold a dinner awards ceremony honoring the FBI. Christopher Wray will attend. The FBI will reciprocate by continuing the working relationship with SPLC.
The arrested lawyer will be writing domestic threat analysis for the FBI.
Breathtaking example of Educating the Peasantry. The entire article blames the victim… the haole.
Who said that? Why… Ms. Rohrer.
…Every single time.
After the Charlottesville Unite the Right Rally of 2017, there was bi-partisan condemnation of so-called ‘hate’, and right identifying groups who weren’t even there were kicked off Paypal and other tech platforms.
What condemnation or deplatforming will the SPLC suffer?
And pretty sure CNN doesn't know either. But why you--or anyone--would think this "Moon of Alabama" character knows either is beyond me. Commenters here have been breathlessly forwarding links from this blatherer and other war bozos explaining the imminent collapse of the Ukrainians for an entire year now. Wrong. Wrong. Oh, got this bit right. Wrong again.
Russia is a much bigger, richer nation with nukes (i.e. Ukraine was no "existential threat") so if it keeps banging away it should eventually "win"--i.e. blast its way through the rest of Ukraine. So these guys can eventually be "right". "Told you so!"
But why should anyone pay any attention to them now? I have this weird quirk toward empiricism. If you keep feeding me bullshit ... I conclude you are a bullshitter.Replies: @Anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @wj
Russia will not exist pretty soon. Plans are already being made to pick Putin’s democratically-elected successor. And it’s looking like it’ll be a businessman, thank G-d!
When Russia is overthrown and conquered—and China is reined in without a fight— we can get on to the business of absolute global rule of law! As well strictly enforcing national and global justice to include righting past wrongs.
What an exciting time to be alive!
German Military Blogger Bernhart (Moon of Alabama): The Ukrainians are effectively surrounded and getting slaughtered in their trenches by the Russians' 10:1 firepower superiority. Their only chance to survive is to abandon their heavy weapons and make a run for it through the artillery gauntlet to safety. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/why-bakhmut-is-falling.html#more
CNN's version: The Russians are incompetent losers whom the Ukrainians have lured to their destruction in the insignificant town of Bakhmut, where they are being destroyed at a ratio of 7:1 because (as mentioned) the Russians are incompetent losers. But the Ukrainians have grown so tired of winning that they intend to make a controlled tactical redeployment in the opposite direction, away from the city. When this happens, however, it is not to be interpreted as any kind of defeat, but rather as another very smart victory over the incompetent loser Russians. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/europe/russia-ukraine-bakhmut-analysis-intl/index.html
From CNN:Moon of Alabama Report:Replies: @Post-Postmodernist, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @HammerJack, @Prester John, @AnotherDad, @William Badwhite, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @Nicholas Stix, @Papi_vergudo
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This comment has been up for over 10 hours and we don’t have a dozen JackD posts, repeating himself over and over. Bizarre.
Agree: Johann Ricke
Wiki says that UKA was held responsible for the actions of "individual members". I would guess that the SPLC's strategy has something to do with showing a pattern where multiple of an org's members create the tortious act, the org in some way organizes or promotes the act, etc.
If so, that would seem to exclude getting a judgment against AAA for the unrelated misdeed of a member, but it would perhaps countenance the possibility of the SPLC being on the hook for the misdeeds of its Antifa-esque members.
The problem in the instance of Thomas Webb Jurgens' firebombing is that the plaintiff would have to be whatever government body owns "Cop City", and as we know, US and state governments tend to treat the SPLC and Antifa as friendly auxiliaries, so the chance of the government launching a civil suit against their de facto allies is about nil.Replies: @Charlesz Martel
Thanks for your analysis. Interesting. Although I think the tide may be turning on the SPLC strategy. You see how they kept using it for less serious crimes than lynching (murder). I wonder if someone else will go after them? If a person destroys a govt. facility, do the taxpayers have standing to sue them for damages? Why wouldn’t they, if the government won’t?
Still, there may be states where there is a taxpayer cause of action against a harmer of public property. I don't know.
German Military Blogger Bernhart (Moon of Alabama): The Ukrainians are effectively surrounded and getting slaughtered in their trenches by the Russians' 10:1 firepower superiority. Their only chance to survive is to abandon their heavy weapons and make a run for it through the artillery gauntlet to safety. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/why-bakhmut-is-falling.html#more
CNN's version: The Russians are incompetent losers whom the Ukrainians have lured to their destruction in the insignificant town of Bakhmut, where they are being destroyed at a ratio of 7:1 because (as mentioned) the Russians are incompetent losers. But the Ukrainians have grown so tired of winning that they intend to make a controlled tactical redeployment in the opposite direction, away from the city. When this happens, however, it is not to be interpreted as any kind of defeat, but rather as another very smart victory over the incompetent loser Russians. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/europe/russia-ukraine-bakhmut-analysis-intl/index.html
From CNN:Moon of Alabama Report:Replies: @Post-Postmodernist, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @HammerJack, @Prester John, @AnotherDad, @William Badwhite, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @Nicholas Stix, @Papi_vergudo
Then why did you bring it up?
Moon of Alabama: “Just two days ago I reported that Bakhmut is falling….” Two days ago and twenty days ago and 200 days ago, etc. It’s always just about to fall but somehow it never does. The Ukrainian Army is JUST ABOUT to be lured into a “cauldron” but somehow the trap never closes.
The Russians tactics, by Moon’s own admission, are inhuman – they send out teams of “expendable” foot soldiers to be mowed down. These men were not “expendable” to their wives, mothers, children and friends but they are sent to certain death. Why do they go? Because they’ll be shot by their “own” side if they don’t. How can you support a country that has such utter disregard for the lives of its own citizens, let alone those of other countries? And how long can this go on? The prisons are already empty. At some point the people of Russia will say, “no more. We are not sending our sons to be used as human bait in Ukraine.”
The value of the ruins of Bakhmut are in no way proportional to the price that Russia has paid for it, even if they do finally take it (which is STILL not a forgone conclusion, despite Moon’s predictions – his track record in this war is not very good). As far as anyone can tell, the only point of the battle is for Prigozhin to show that Wagner has a better army than the Russian Army. Thousands of Russians have died, not even for the glory of Russia or of Putin, but for the glory of Prigozhin.
Meanwhile, the benchmark of what counts as “victory” for Russia keeps shrinking and shrinking. At first it was the complete “denazification” of Ukraine – the replacement of their elected government with Russian puppet rulers. When that failed, it became the annexation of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts. The ink was barely dry on that proclamation when they lost half that territory. Now their horizon has shrunk to where “victory” means taking a single, not very important Ukrainian city and they have struggled for months and sacrificed countless lives to do even that (and STILL it is not done). What is the point? What does Russia have to gain at this point? They have already lost this pointless war. Their most elite tank units now exist in name only – in reality they consist of raw recruits driving ancient tanks that are one Javelin hit away from junk. But Putin cannot afford to lose face.
Not actually true.
There’s nothing super-remarkable about Ukraine’s pre-war, 1.4 TFR. Pretty much every nation in the ex-Russian empire–has pretty low fertility, the Southern Europeans likewise or lower, ditto the East Asians. US whites are only 1.6ish.
Russia’s–the state–has a bit higher fertility than Ukraine. But that’s because of Muslims. Chechnya has the highest fertility. Other heavily muzzie states follow. And then there are millions (supposedly 7 million) “temporary” workers and millions more illegals mostly from the ‘stans. Actual “Russian” vs. actual “Ukrainian” fertility was probably pretty much a wash. The Ukranian population situation was much better, because fewer muslims and immigrants.
A nation can deal with a population decline. They’ve been common. Wars. The plague scythed through Europe, maybe killing a 1/3 of the people. (In some villages, towns, districts–90%!) But then life after–Mathusian pressure temporary lifted–was pretty good. And populations bounced back.
Breeder types–often religious, but also just people with pro-natal, pro-family, pro-child genotypes-will bring on population recovery in every nation.
But they have to be allowed to do so. That basically means preventing invaders coming in and stealing and quashing your nation’s natural population recovery. It means beating down–if necessary defenestrating–the “must have immigration!” bleaters. (We know who they are.)
Western “elites” are genocidally destroying their nations. But the imperialist Putin is almost as bad. Making war to keep Chechnya in Russia. Millions of legal “temporary worker” invaders. Millions more illegals. Muzzies expanding across Russia. Asses in the air in Moscow. Basically Putin’s pissed on Russia’s–the actual Russian people’s–future in order to be big swinging dick imperialist–Czar Vlad.
And yes, Putin now has even more to answer for. His sleazy imperialist war is a debacle for Ukraine–killing tens of thousands, including some of the best of its men and sending millions into exile. But it’s a debacle for Russia as well. Thousands of young men killed. Hundreds of thousands running into exile. The economy and “affordable family formation” put into reverse.
Example: a neighbor of mine employs a squad of Russians to write the software for his product. He’s got a couple of smart young hot-shots. He told ’em–don’t worry about work, do what you gotta do. They’ve both fled Russia–one to one of the ‘stans, the other to the Philippines–to avoid being Putin’s cannon fodder. Precisely the sort of smart, go-getter young men you want impregnating Russian girls, fathering the next generation–gone, probably for good.
Imperialism and imperialists are bad for nations–often including their own. And Putin is a world class imperialist a*hole.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8LOQ_1UWNZM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WBfiPgYg5R0
Antifa is just the violent wing of the Democratic Party. Like all violent wings, the party will purge them after they’ve served their purpose. Expect all the arms of the party: media, politicians, non-profits, prosecutors, judges, lawyers, liberal church groups, “conservative” pundits like Brooks and French, etc., to turn on them at the same time using the same language. It’s going to be a more genteel version of the Night of the Long Knives.
And pretty sure CNN doesn't know either. But why you--or anyone--would think this "Moon of Alabama" character knows either is beyond me. Commenters here have been breathlessly forwarding links from this blatherer and other war bozos explaining the imminent collapse of the Ukrainians for an entire year now. Wrong. Wrong. Oh, got this bit right. Wrong again.
Russia is a much bigger, richer nation with nukes (i.e. Ukraine was no "existential threat") so if it keeps banging away it should eventually "win"--i.e. blast its way through the rest of Ukraine. So these guys can eventually be "right". "Told you so!"
But why should anyone pay any attention to them now? I have this weird quirk toward empiricism. If you keep feeding me bullshit ... I conclude you are a bullshitter.Replies: @Anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @wj
Predicting when or how different leaders will do things in the future is a political and psychological guessing game, not empiricism. But you are right that Russia must eventually win by just “keep banging away.”
So why pour $10 billion a month into Ukraine and get the whole nation destroyed in the “banging away” process? Why not cut a deal? (probably too late now anyway).
The empirical facts to inform these decisions would be the actual losses being suffered on the respective sides. But since those are a big secret being kept from the American people (like most things these days), propagandists can make up facts (like CNN claiming 7:1 casualty advantage for Ukraine) to justify the policies.
You are right, of course, that there is no real reason to pay attention now. The Biden administration will do whatever it wants anyway. Years from now historians can argue about how it was all allowed to happen the way it did.
And no "Russia must eventually win" is false. And I did not claim it, because it is objectively foolish. I said Russia was bigger and richer so *if*--the "if" word--Russia keeps banging away it should eventually win.The US was bigger and stronger with a GDP that utterly dwarfed North Vietnam--plus had nukes. But eventually US elites concluded "not worth it". Both Russia and the US utterly dwarfed the population, GDP and capability of Afghan goobers ... but the goobers held out both times and the great powers packed up and went home. You missed this?Putin's War is objectively stupid. Putin rolled out some 1914 style Russian imperialism ... and the lo-and-behold the Ukrainians had actually been learning and training and preparing since 2014 and mounted a credible defense. A debacle for everyone--Ukrainians, Russians, white people, the world. The only winners the arms manufacturers, the deep state/NATO apparatchiks and China (picking up and every more dependent Russian resource satellite). Ukrainians could just capitulate. But men who are actual men, do not like to turn their nations over to invaders. Especially capitulate to a POS like Putin who has been destroying their nation, killing their people. It's called "patriotism".So while Russia can "win", whether Russia wins or not is an open question. It depends on the Ukrainians will to fight. It depends on how well Ukrainians and Russians actually do fight. It depends on Western weapons aid. It depends on Russian politics--how long Russian elites (and people) are willing to put up with Putin and the costs of his shitty war.
I do not know how all those factors play out. But at least, I'm not prancing around pretending to have some insight into how they play out--much less play out day to day on the battlefield--and being wrong and wrong and wrong again.Replies: @Jack D, @YetAnotherAnon
Real reason: If we don't exaggerate foreign threats the public will realize we don't need to keep spending eight hundred billion dollars a year on our bloated military. A lot of people make a very good living from the military-industrial complex and don't want that gravy train to end.Replies: @Ennui, @Jack D
While the SPLC has been the most lecritive for years, the BLM people will be competing with them in the future.
I’m taken by the quote about much of the modern libertarianism that emerged on the internet from the late 90s to the mid 2000s from American nerds being the predominant posters of anything on it up to that point (‘Gamergate’ could be seen as a conflict instigated as the old were supplanted by the new as girls with BPD became the new dominant powerusers and posters of the centralised social media internet, neither had only those two types of people involved but both were driven by those cores.) was just ‘ applied autism’.
Similarly the antifa seems to just be ‘ applied cluster B personality disorders’, they’re the slightly more deranged cohorts of the ‘artistic’ students who used to smoke behind the gym. It was unreal how the 3 that were killed in the shooting all had crazy priors like molesting their nephews. Needless to say, domestic assault charges are fairly common among the antifa arrested in Portland covered by Andy Ngo. Similar to how the internet allowed autistic nerds and girls with BPD, small minorities in any specific geographic location, to find each other and coalesce online, it allowed these nut cases to find each other and create these organisations for recreation violence gussied up as political activism.
And needless to say, the lack of respecting boundaries, others and their own, the biggest commonality of all cluster B types, is a big part of why the antifa communes always devolved into abuse and assault.
In general the antifa didn’t seem so cold and calculating like a terrorist organisation but rather like a mob of hysterical and childish art students with enough dark triad traits in them that they really really liked violence.
It might also make for a good iSteve post to mention the whole obvious fact that the mysterious ‘umbrella man’ who seemed to be trying to induce or assist a more violent protest in Minneapolis in May 2020 wasn’t some ‘far right agitator’ or police infiltrator (As the local black witnesses who just saw a white guy dressed up in black meticulously smashing windows in an autoshop in broad daylight with a gas mask and concealing himself with a black umbrella, suspected) seeking to discredit the protests by turning them into riots but rather an antifa who wanted to turn the protests in riots.
A guy even got set up and arrested despite there being no evidence and having his phone and computer confiscated. Because of course this guy who showed up hours after Floyd’s death was actually a member of the ‘Aryan Cowboys’ biker gang from quite a distance away who just so happened to have the uniform of the antifa on him.
In reality it became clear from looking at pictures of video of the antifa in Portland that ‘Umbrella man’ was dressed up like an antifa, down to the same brand of gas mask (With distinctive pink air filters) and sporting black umbrellas to hide their faces/use as shields. ‘Umbrella man’ was antifa.
But the hysteria around him was unquestioned and today, despite it being untenable to suggest he was anything but an antifa of which quite a few showed up real quick to start fighting with police in Minneapolis.
For instance the wikipedia page (An important source for news and the public on events that are developing) of the riots had in the top paragraph the statement that acktually the riots were kicked off by a far right agitator (Affiliated to the ‘Aryan Cowboys motorcycle gang no less!) known as ‘Umbrella man’. Of course the dude was wearing a gas mask and had his face only briefly caught on a low quality phone video how could they possibly ID him? Well, that didn’t actually go through the formality of happening (It turned out a woman who knew him just accused him and that was good enough for the police) but the police communicated to the public like they had. Evidently they ‘matched’ his eyebrows.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Floyd_protests_in_Minneapolis%E2%80%93Saint_Paul&oldid=970050555
This was the second paragraph at the very top of the page for quite a while before mysterious disappearing. Note the lack of any uncertainty, it was all caused by this guy.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/07/28/warrant-white-supremacist-instigated-looting-at-george-floyd-protest-in-minneapolis
https://triblive.com/news/world/police-hells-angel-sparked-minneapolis-riots-over-george-floyd
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53579099
Here is the video taken of ‘Umbrella man’ smashing the windows of the autoparts shop whose later arson was the focal point of when the protests turned into full on riots with swarms of white and Asian antifa showing up on the second night after Floyd’s death.
Here is a post from an antifa group detailing what gear it’s members should buy including a big black umbrella like the suspicious one used by ‘Umbrella man’ (Which surely would have made the white guy seem weird and suspicious in May of 2020 before anyone had much idea of what a modern ‘black bloc’ looked like to the local black residents in the video) as well as goggles and face masks like him as well as black leisure wear.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200814193124/https://twitter.com/chicago_commune/status/1294355567096586240
And here is a video of antifa using the exact same clothing and equipment to the list detailed in the tweet above and ‘Umbrella man’, designed to help them hide their identities and be hard to prosecute. (Not that it apparently worked for Umbrella man whom police IDed from his eyebrows apparently)
Not a single news outlet or wikipedia published a retraction of their zany conspiracy theory. No media either took the MPD to task for their obvious attempt to help manage a shitshow by arresting an innocent guy.
I doubt they really really like violence, period. I suspect they really really perpetrating violence on unarmed and unsuspecting victims.
In other words, malicious, cowardly children acting out when backed by enabling adults.Replies: @vinteuil
Is this a civil war between the Dave Chapelle-negroes and the Stacey Abrams-esque negroes?Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Legba, @Muggles
It’s Dave Chappelle cops kicking the stuffing out of Michael F. Reinoehl PacNW Antifa types.
The organized political thug violence of Antifa seems particularly attractive to a certain stratum of German society. The same stratum that ended up heavily represented in the Oregon and Washington emigrations, it seems.
But not in the Amish / Mennonite waves of German emigration to the Mid-Atlantic, or the Kurt Vonnegut types who settled the Rust Belt and Midwest, or whoever it was who founded the New Braunfels Herald-Zeitung (herald-zeitung.com) in Texas. Also not the German Jews of upper Manhattan and Riverdale, NY (www.kajinc.org/about) or the gentile Germans of Yorkville (www.heidelberg-nyc.com/#about).
Oh, there’s an Albion’s Seed book to be written here, by someone fluent in German at least.
Exactly. Putin’s War is just absolutely grotesque.
We’ve done our share of stupid destructive stuff. Iraq–we’re going get some Arabs on the “democracy” train and that will turn around the middle east. (At least we did kill off Saddam.) Afghanistan–“nation building” in that turd hole for 20 years. Talk about imperial hubris. Vietnam–we are fighting Soviet communism (the ‘effing Russian again!); but lots of Vietnamese saw it as finally chucking out the foreigners. (We should have done a deal with Ho Chi Minh after the War, not let the French back in just to salve their war bruised egos.)
But those debacles actually look sane compared to the utter pointless destructiveness of Putin’s shit show.
Eastern Ukraine is ethnically mixed. Outside Crimea there are two provinces where it is likely there are majorities in some places (mostly urban) who’d like (at least before this war) to join Russia … and likewise some places (rural) where the majorities very much would not. Sure, that’s sub-optimal. Like Northern Ireland it would be goodness to get everyone separated into their correct nation. (Diversity causes contention.) But you’re going to launch a war over that tiddlywink shit?
No Putin’s War is because Putin’s ego is wrapped up in himself being a big swinging dick, some sort of savior of Great Russia. I.e. Russia is somehow naturally entitled to a bunch of other peoples’ turf. That’s why we’ve now got a revivified NATO, will blow hundreds of billions in increased military spending and have new Cold War. Putin just can’t keep it in his pants.
We should have seen the end of this Russian imperial cancer after the 1914 debacle. But Russia’s back helping launch the War in 1939. We should have seen the end of it in 1989 … but no, Putin’s bringing Russian imperialism back for an encore.
Meanwhile the interest of actual Russians-is to keep their nation Russia, for their kids. But no … on that score Putin might as well be a Western “leader”. Immigrant “temporary” workers. Millions of illegals from the ‘stans. Muzzies ass in the airing Moscow’s streets. Affordable family formation? Russian fertility? Keeping Russia Russian? … not a Putie priority.
If only some Brutus would strike down mad Julius, Russia would immediately come into compliance with our wishes.
Tell me another one.Replies: @Jack D
Russia's--the state--has a bit higher fertility than Ukraine. But that's because of Muslims. Chechnya has the highest fertility. Other heavily muzzie states follow. And then there are millions (supposedly 7 million) "temporary" workers and millions more illegals mostly from the 'stans. Actual "Russian" vs. actual "Ukrainian" fertility was probably pretty much a wash. The Ukranian population situation was much better, because fewer muslims and immigrants.
A nation can deal with a population decline. They've been common. Wars. The plague scythed through Europe, maybe killing a 1/3 of the people. (In some villages, towns, districts--90%!) But then life after--Mathusian pressure temporary lifted--was pretty good. And populations bounced back.
Breeder types--often religious, but also just people with pro-natal, pro-family, pro-child genotypes-will bring on population recovery in every nation.
But they have to be allowed to do so. That basically means preventing invaders coming in and stealing and quashing your nation's natural population recovery. It means beating down--if necessary defenestrating--the "must have immigration!" bleaters. (We know who they are.)
Western "elites" are genocidally destroying their nations. But the imperialist Putin is almost as bad. Making war to keep Chechnya in Russia. Millions of legal "temporary worker" invaders. Millions more illegals. Muzzies expanding across Russia. Asses in the air in Moscow. Basically Putin's pissed on Russia's--the actual Russian people's--future in order to be big swinging dick imperialist--Czar Vlad.
And yes, Putin now has even more to answer for. His sleazy imperialist war is a debacle for Ukraine--killing tens of thousands, including some of the best of its men and sending millions into exile. But it's a debacle for Russia as well. Thousands of young men killed. Hundreds of thousands running into exile. The economy and "affordable family formation" put into reverse.
Example: a neighbor of mine employs a squad of Russians to write the software for his product. He's got a couple of smart young hot-shots. He told 'em--don't worry about work, do what you gotta do. They've both fled Russia--one to one of the 'stans, the other to the Philippines--to avoid being Putin's cannon fodder. Precisely the sort of smart, go-getter young men you want impregnating Russian girls, fathering the next generation--gone, probably for good.
Imperialism and imperialists are bad for nations--often including their own. And Putin is a world class imperialist a*hole.Replies: @Jack D, @Cagey Beast
It’s a shame. I agree with the rest of what you said but then you have to throw in the gratuitous anti-Semitic remark. It’s like a tic with you.
Are the Joos the ones telling Putin in Russia “must have immigration”? Most of the Jews of Russia live in Israel now.
Meanwhile in Ukraine, there is an ACTUAL Jew at the top (a rarity outside of Israel) and no one is bleating “must have immigration”.
The Germans tried “defenestrating” their Jews and yet they still have immigration. Germany in 1960 was just about as Judenrein as anywhere on earth and yet they started bringing in Turks. Was this the Joos fault too?
The job market demands a plentiful supply of young men willing to perform menial tasks at relatively low wages. This has been true at least since the building of the railroads in America in the 1860s (the Jews had very little to do with that). If your country fails to produce the necessary # of young men (let’s say you have sent millions of your own young men off to die in wars) then the market is going to bring them in from elsewhere. From the ends of the earth even if they have to come by sailing ship. Market forces are impersonal – they don’t have a race or ethnicity.
Are you saying that the immigration bleaters are Jews? So that being against the "must have immigration!" bleaters is therefore anti-Semitic?Replies: @HammerJack
Just because people speak Russian doesn’t mean that they have to be or want to be ruled by Russia. How many Spanish speaking countries are there? English? German? They don’t all need to be united under one flag. And there are plenty of multi-lingual countries – Canada, Belgium, Switzerland, etc. The fact that they speak two languages doesn’t prevent them from living together in one country.
The fact that the Russian Imperialism thing keeps coming back – under the Czars, under the Communists, under the Kleptocrats, shows that it runs deep in the Russian character. It has to be burned out of them the same way that Imperialism was burned out of Germany. Otherwise, our great grandchildren will STILL be paying for it.
As you say, NATO is now going to waste a huge amount of money that they thought that they didn’t have to waste. You may not like Danish socialism but it was better for the people of Denmark that they were spending their money on free daycare or whatever rather than on tanks, but now they are going to have to spend that money on tanks, for who knows how many years.
Russia is too big to be ruled democratically. It’s going to have to be broken up. Give Chechnya to its Muslim population, Kalymkia to the Kalmyks and so on. Probably the spin off states will be corrupt hellholes like the ‘stans are now but maybe the rest of Russia can be reformed into a working Western country (or 2) . They don’t have to buy into child sex changes or whatever. They can be like Poland or Hungary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukrainian_presidential_election#/media/File:2019_Ukrainian_presidential_election,_round_1.svg
I take
-- Poroshenko as basically the (mild) Ukrainian nationalist. Popular in the far West.
-- Boyko as the pro-Russian, Euroskeptic candidate. No majority anywhere, but modest pluralities in the Donbass. There would be additional pro-Russian voters in the parts occupied by Russia.
However, even he--and his party--denounced Putin's invasion. So exactly what subset of his voters actually want to be in Russia is unclear to me, but it is likely some of them.
-- Zelensky was the Rodney King "can't we all get along" candidate. Swept Eastern Ukraine in the 2nd round.
As best as I can suss out, there's at least somewhat of city/country divide in the far East. The farmers are generally Ukrainian and have no interest in having anything to do with Russia. But the city folks are more likely to be ethnically Russian and open to quitting Ukraine and joining Russia. Unsurprisingly I tend to side with farmers. The "soil" is theirs. Their "means of production" is immobile. The city folks--bureaucrats, accountants, businessmen, doctors and dentists, engineers, ... can just pack their bags and skedaddle off to Russia if that's where they want to live.
What's very clear, is Russia is occupying vast areas of Ukraine where the people do not want them.Replies: @Jack D
The Brits were the world champ imperialists. They could not afford it after the War. They were out of India in two years. They had--fairly respectably--wrapped the whole thing up by the early 60s.
The French were a harder case--with a big ego, but an embarassing failure in the War. They had to get Dien Bien Phu'ed. But de Gaulle had them out of Algeria in '61 and they were pretty much done with it. A bit of imperial policing in West Africa about it.
America's explicit imperialism pretty much started and ended with the Philippines (our sleaziest war) and we ducked out immediately after the War. We're still saddled with Puerto Rico but Americans would be happy for that to float off our plate. Americans are pretty tired of the missionary wars. I think, it has sunk in we can not "fix" other people's problems.
I doubt the typical Russian has any interest in all this imperial bullshit. It's not 1914 with young men clamoring for war and joining up. Russians are running from this debacle in droves.
No this is Putin. A genuine asshole.
~~Russia would benefit greatly from spinning off anything piece that is majority muzzie, and inviting any Russians there to move back to Russia--right of return--with generous relocation.
But they have an even bigger problem with the muzzies, in Russia, Russia. I've seen those picks with tens of thousands passive-aggressively owning the streets and mooning Moscow. Not as crazy as the US, but they have millions of "temporary workers" and millions more illegals from the 'stans.
They've got "work" to do.
But if they did that work and could cut and paste back to a 90% Russian Russia, I don't see any big problem with Russia being a normal country.
Like the West, they badly need better leaders. Leaders loyal to the actual nation.Replies: @houston 1992
So why pour $10 billion a month into Ukraine and get the whole nation destroyed in the "banging away" process? Why not cut a deal? (probably too late now anyway).
The empirical facts to inform these decisions would be the actual losses being suffered on the respective sides. But since those are a big secret being kept from the American people (like most things these days), propagandists can make up facts (like CNN claiming 7:1 casualty advantage for Ukraine) to justify the policies.
You are right, of course, that there is no real reason to pay attention now. The Biden administration will do whatever it wants anyway. Years from now historians can argue about how it was all allowed to happen the way it did.Replies: @AnotherDad, @Mark G.
Toad, your comment is shooting off on a straw man tangent–and then just wrong.
I’m specifically–and quite obviously–saying why the heck point at these blow by blow analyses of the war from people who have a track record of being consistently wrong?
And no “Russia must eventually win” is false. And I did not claim it, because it is objectively foolish. I said Russia was bigger and richer so *if*–the “if” word–Russia keeps banging away it should eventually win.
The US was bigger and stronger with a GDP that utterly dwarfed North Vietnam–plus had nukes. But eventually US elites concluded “not worth it”. Both Russia and the US utterly dwarfed the population, GDP and capability of Afghan goobers … but the goobers held out both times and the great powers packed up and went home. You missed this?
Putin’s War is objectively stupid. Putin rolled out some 1914 style Russian imperialism … and the lo-and-behold the Ukrainians had actually been learning and training and preparing since 2014 and mounted a credible defense. A debacle for everyone–Ukrainians, Russians, white people, the world. The only winners the arms manufacturers, the deep state/NATO apparatchiks and China (picking up and every more dependent Russian resource satellite).
Ukrainians could just capitulate. But men who are actual men, do not like to turn their nations over to invaders. Especially capitulate to a POS like Putin who has been destroying their nation, killing their people. It’s called “patriotism”.
So while Russia can “win”, whether Russia wins or not is an open question. It depends on the Ukrainians will to fight. It depends on how well Ukrainians and Russians actually do fight. It depends on Western weapons aid. It depends on Russian politics–how long Russian elites (and people) are willing to put up with Putin and the costs of his shitty war.
I do not know how all those factors play out. But at least, I’m not prancing around pretending to have some insight into how they play out–much less play out day to day on the battlefield–and being wrong and wrong and wrong again.
And no you can't count China's GDP in Russia's column. China's backing for Russia consists of buying oil from them at cut rate prices because they know that they have Russia over a barrel. China still needs Western markets and is not going to be willing to lose them for Russia's sake.
a French guy from Canada and a French guy from France.
some dissident rightists look at the regular political riots in France as an exciting thing they wish would happen in the US. regular tax paying citizens fighting the police and demanding more rights from the government! we need that here! shut down the trains and buses. stop working in the factories and offices until we get what we want!
think again. those guys are all leftists. they’re rioting to demand the right to be able to work LESS. sending millions of those ‘based’ French guys to the US would mean millions more Democrat voters and leftist political agitators.
those guys never riot or demonstrate against the third worlders flooding into France. all they care about is the right to work 30 hours a week instead of 35, the right to retire at 50 instead of 55. they couldn’t care less about France becoming Eurabia. they would do the same in America.
Is there a specific reason this police/fire/training headquarters is being targeted?
Can elections be held therein, stopping cheating with paper ballots because of all the badged-officers around? We have had early voting at fire-hall locations before.
The arrested antifis (plural of antifa is antifi?) were mostly out of state, very white, a couple of transfolk if the given names are to be believed.
Real terror/sabatoge acts against the United States could be carried out under the cover of white supremacist groups, antifa, BLM, some Muslim groups, Friends-of-the-Earth environmental groups, animal rights groups, et cetera. Those are many options to blend in for Russian, Iranian, or Chinese saboteurs. They could always pose as some of our legions of homeless drug addicts and schizophrenic also. These groups pose a threat if they attack the right things like electronic substations, medical warehouses, etc. I wish our FBI would do its job here.Replies: @Jimbo
The FBI is “doing its job”. You are just unclear on what that job is…
And no "Russia must eventually win" is false. And I did not claim it, because it is objectively foolish. I said Russia was bigger and richer so *if*--the "if" word--Russia keeps banging away it should eventually win.The US was bigger and stronger with a GDP that utterly dwarfed North Vietnam--plus had nukes. But eventually US elites concluded "not worth it". Both Russia and the US utterly dwarfed the population, GDP and capability of Afghan goobers ... but the goobers held out both times and the great powers packed up and went home. You missed this?Putin's War is objectively stupid. Putin rolled out some 1914 style Russian imperialism ... and the lo-and-behold the Ukrainians had actually been learning and training and preparing since 2014 and mounted a credible defense. A debacle for everyone--Ukrainians, Russians, white people, the world. The only winners the arms manufacturers, the deep state/NATO apparatchiks and China (picking up and every more dependent Russian resource satellite). Ukrainians could just capitulate. But men who are actual men, do not like to turn their nations over to invaders. Especially capitulate to a POS like Putin who has been destroying their nation, killing their people. It's called "patriotism".So while Russia can "win", whether Russia wins or not is an open question. It depends on the Ukrainians will to fight. It depends on how well Ukrainians and Russians actually do fight. It depends on Western weapons aid. It depends on Russian politics--how long Russian elites (and people) are willing to put up with Putin and the costs of his shitty war.
I do not know how all those factors play out. But at least, I'm not prancing around pretending to have some insight into how they play out--much less play out day to day on the battlefield--and being wrong and wrong and wrong again.Replies: @Jack D, @YetAnotherAnon
Even this is not true. Sure if Ukraine had to go it alone, they would have already lost. But Ukraine has the backing of the West, especially that of the US. Ukraine has the GDP of a flea, but Russia has the GDP of Italy. The West keeps supplying Ukraine with new and up to date tanks. The Russians are taking their 1960s Cold War tanks out of mothballs. Russia no longer has the capacity to make its own arms – they are buying drones from Iran. Stalin would be ashamed (the anniversary of his death was the other day).
And no you can’t count China’s GDP in Russia’s column. China’s backing for Russia consists of buying oil from them at cut rate prices because they know that they have Russia over a barrel. China still needs Western markets and is not going to be willing to lose them for Russia’s sake.
The organized political thug violence of Antifa seems particularly attractive to a certain stratum of German society. The same stratum that ended up heavily represented in the Oregon and Washington emigrations, it seems.
But not in the Amish / Mennonite waves of German emigration to the Mid-Atlantic, or the Kurt Vonnegut types who settled the Rust Belt and Midwest, or whoever it was who founded the New Braunfels Herald-Zeitung (herald-zeitung.com) in Texas. Also not the German Jews of upper Manhattan and Riverdale, NY (www.kajinc.org/about) or the gentile Germans of Yorkville (www.heidelberg-nyc.com/#about).
Oh, there's an Albion's Seed book to be written here, by someone fluent in German at least.Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some weirdly personal dispute between some people in the Antifa/SPLC organization and the Atlanta political leadership. Atlanta is an odd target for the bolsheviks.
Why Atlanta? Why this specific police academy facility? Why now?
Good questions.Replies: @Veteran Aryan
No.
Oddly enough, it turns out I don’t.
And no "Russia must eventually win" is false. And I did not claim it, because it is objectively foolish. I said Russia was bigger and richer so *if*--the "if" word--Russia keeps banging away it should eventually win.The US was bigger and stronger with a GDP that utterly dwarfed North Vietnam--plus had nukes. But eventually US elites concluded "not worth it". Both Russia and the US utterly dwarfed the population, GDP and capability of Afghan goobers ... but the goobers held out both times and the great powers packed up and went home. You missed this?Putin's War is objectively stupid. Putin rolled out some 1914 style Russian imperialism ... and the lo-and-behold the Ukrainians had actually been learning and training and preparing since 2014 and mounted a credible defense. A debacle for everyone--Ukrainians, Russians, white people, the world. The only winners the arms manufacturers, the deep state/NATO apparatchiks and China (picking up and every more dependent Russian resource satellite). Ukrainians could just capitulate. But men who are actual men, do not like to turn their nations over to invaders. Especially capitulate to a POS like Putin who has been destroying their nation, killing their people. It's called "patriotism".So while Russia can "win", whether Russia wins or not is an open question. It depends on the Ukrainians will to fight. It depends on how well Ukrainians and Russians actually do fight. It depends on Western weapons aid. It depends on Russian politics--how long Russian elites (and people) are willing to put up with Putin and the costs of his shitty war.
I do not know how all those factors play out. But at least, I'm not prancing around pretending to have some insight into how they play out--much less play out day to day on the battlefield--and being wrong and wrong and wrong again.Replies: @Jack D, @YetAnotherAnon
I hate to see AD cheering for the wrong side here. The United States (i.e. the elites who’ve wrecked the US but enriched themselves) have made their position quite clear
https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-grand-chessboard-american-primacy-and-its-geostrategic-imperatives-d175987890.html
a) when Communism collapsed, the US became the only world power
b) they intend to keep things that way and expand their control over all “Western” countries – and the definition of what makes a “Western” country includes homosexual marriage and Drag Queen Story Hour – see Samantha Power visiting Hungary to fund various Soros-style groups.
c) they have discovered Mackinder’s World Island theory – basically “he who controls Eurasia controls the globe”
d) as defined in “The Grand Chessboard”, America must stop any other country being able to generate “global power”. Also as defined, Russia sans Ukraine = regional power, Russia plus Ukraine as an ally = global power.
e) therefore Ukraine must become part of “the West” with homosexual marriage, Drag Queen Story Hour – and lots of missiles pointed at Moscow from only 500km or so away
f) hence Nuland, Maidan and the mysterious gunmen who killed so many of the anti-Russian protesters AND the pro-Russian government’s police in 2014. Job done ! Pro-West Ukraine (except those Russian bits)!
Not surprisingly, Russia doesn’t quite see things through that lens aka “Putin wants to be Peter The Great” and didn’t fancy a US Fleet sailing into Sebastopol.
Huh? Never said it did. Here’s what I wrote:
I claim–as always–zero “inside baseball” knowledge, just spitballing from the 2019 election results:
I take
— Poroshenko as basically the (mild) Ukrainian nationalist. Popular in the far West.
— Boyko as the pro-Russian, Euroskeptic candidate. No majority anywhere, but modest pluralities in the Donbass. There would be additional pro-Russian voters in the parts occupied by Russia.
However, even he–and his party–denounced Putin’s invasion. So exactly what subset of his voters actually want to be in Russia is unclear to me, but it is likely some of them.
— Zelensky was the Rodney King “can’t we all get along” candidate. Swept Eastern Ukraine in the 2nd round.
As best as I can suss out, there’s at least somewhat of city/country divide in the far East. The farmers are generally Ukrainian and have no interest in having anything to do with Russia. But the city folks are more likely to be ethnically Russian and open to quitting Ukraine and joining Russia. Unsurprisingly I tend to side with farmers. The “soil” is theirs. Their “means of production” is immobile. The city folks–bureaucrats, accountants, businessmen, doctors and dentists, engineers, … can just pack their bags and skedaddle off to Russia if that’s where they want to live.
What’s very clear, is Russia is occupying vast areas of Ukraine where the people do not want them.
Before the war, a lot of Russian speakers in Ukraine would not have minded joining Russia or being a Russia "ally" (cough, puppet) like Belarus. After what has happened, a lot fewer. Putin is so clumsy that a lot of things backfire on him - he wanted NATO not to be enlarged. Now it is bigger. He wanted the Russian speakers of Ukraine to love Russia - now they hate it. Etc.
A lot of Russian speakers in Ukraine are learning Ukrainian and vowing never to speak Russian again. There is a funny clip where a reporter asks Zelensky a question in Russian (which is his native language) and he pretends not to understand until the reporter asks the question again in Ukrainian. Keep in mind that Russian and Ukrainian are related languages - it's like switching from Spanish to Portuguese.Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @houston 1992
Nah.
The Brits were the world champ imperialists. They could not afford it after the War. They were out of India in two years. They had–fairly respectably–wrapped the whole thing up by the early 60s.
The French were a harder case–with a big ego, but an embarassing failure in the War. They had to get Dien Bien Phu’ed. But de Gaulle had them out of Algeria in ’61 and they were pretty much done with it. A bit of imperial policing in West Africa about it.
America’s explicit imperialism pretty much started and ended with the Philippines (our sleaziest war) and we ducked out immediately after the War. We’re still saddled with Puerto Rico but Americans would be happy for that to float off our plate. Americans are pretty tired of the missionary wars. I think, it has sunk in we can not “fix” other people’s problems.
I doubt the typical Russian has any interest in all this imperial bullshit. It’s not 1914 with young men clamoring for war and joining up. Russians are running from this debacle in droves.
No this is Putin. A genuine asshole.
~~
Russia would benefit greatly from spinning off anything piece that is majority muzzie, and inviting any Russians there to move back to Russia–right of return–with generous relocation.
But they have an even bigger problem with the muzzies, in Russia, Russia. I’ve seen those picks with tens of thousands passive-aggressively owning the streets and mooning Moscow. Not as crazy as the US, but they have millions of “temporary workers” and millions more illegals from the ‘stans.
They’ve got “work” to do.
But if they did that work and could cut and paste back to a 90% Russian Russia, I don’t see any big problem with Russia being a normal country.
Like the West, they badly need better leaders. Leaders loyal to the actual nation.
Huh? What are you talking about?
Are you saying that the immigration bleaters are Jews? So that being against the “must have immigration!” bleaters is therefore anti-Semitic?
Wish a Red State AG would go after the SPLC the same way Blue State AGs go after the NRA, etc…
I imagine they are so lazy, complacent, and immature that their comms would reveal a smorgasbord of unsavory connections & coordination with the Democratic Party and other malevolent actors
Blacks would show up to loot; but it was the whites who would concentrate on property damage.
At a minimum, one can wonder if the legal indulgence with which this behavior was treated led to it suddenly becoming so widespread in 2020. If those earlier rioters had been treated like the January 6th protestors, would they have been so widely emulated?Replies: @Prester John, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Corpse Tooth
Blacks would show up to loot; but it was the (((whites))) who would concentrate on property damage.
FTFY.
This Mikhail Khodorkovsky fellow seems like just the man to back. Being the pawn of a hostile foreign power is surely a big plus to Russian voters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukrainian_presidential_election#/media/File:2019_Ukrainian_presidential_election,_round_1.svg
I take
-- Poroshenko as basically the (mild) Ukrainian nationalist. Popular in the far West.
-- Boyko as the pro-Russian, Euroskeptic candidate. No majority anywhere, but modest pluralities in the Donbass. There would be additional pro-Russian voters in the parts occupied by Russia.
However, even he--and his party--denounced Putin's invasion. So exactly what subset of his voters actually want to be in Russia is unclear to me, but it is likely some of them.
-- Zelensky was the Rodney King "can't we all get along" candidate. Swept Eastern Ukraine in the 2nd round.
As best as I can suss out, there's at least somewhat of city/country divide in the far East. The farmers are generally Ukrainian and have no interest in having anything to do with Russia. But the city folks are more likely to be ethnically Russian and open to quitting Ukraine and joining Russia. Unsurprisingly I tend to side with farmers. The "soil" is theirs. Their "means of production" is immobile. The city folks--bureaucrats, accountants, businessmen, doctors and dentists, engineers, ... can just pack their bags and skedaddle off to Russia if that's where they want to live.
What's very clear, is Russia is occupying vast areas of Ukraine where the people do not want them.Replies: @Jack D
I wasn’t arguing with anything you said there.
Before the war, a lot of Russian speakers in Ukraine would not have minded joining Russia or being a Russia “ally” (cough, puppet) like Belarus. After what has happened, a lot fewer. Putin is so clumsy that a lot of things backfire on him – he wanted NATO not to be enlarged. Now it is bigger. He wanted the Russian speakers of Ukraine to love Russia – now they hate it. Etc.
A lot of Russian speakers in Ukraine are learning Ukrainian and vowing never to speak Russian again. There is a funny clip where a reporter asks Zelensky a question in Russian (which is his native language) and he pretends not to understand until the reporter asks the question again in Ukrainian. Keep in mind that Russian and Ukrainian are related languages – it’s like switching from Spanish to Portuguese.
NATO may have added members, but more members mean more commitments for the USA. And our mind is writing checks that our body cannot cash.The USA military is facing declining enrollments. USA navy dropped its standard again. Average SAT at WP and Anapolis rank # 111,112 in the nation. Few upper middle class kids are joining the military whether it be USA or Stockholm or Helsinki. The war is garnering zero enthusiasm from Generation Z.A larger NATO just means more risk for the USA in being chain ganged into a war we dont want.1) term chain gang that drags USA into a war ........ https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/international-organization/article/abs/chain-gangs-and-passed-bucks-predicting-alliance-patterns-in-multipolarity/F14C4DDDF83A484B673A55E1D925CDAA2) Steve's buddy, Murray, tweeted a comment on this approach "Relatedly, the US Navy recently announced that it would be lowering the cut-off score for the IQ test it administers to new recruits. There had been complaints about the fact that only 30% of blacks were passing. (The pass rate for whites was 70%.)"
So why pour $10 billion a month into Ukraine and get the whole nation destroyed in the "banging away" process? Why not cut a deal? (probably too late now anyway).
The empirical facts to inform these decisions would be the actual losses being suffered on the respective sides. But since those are a big secret being kept from the American people (like most things these days), propagandists can make up facts (like CNN claiming 7:1 casualty advantage for Ukraine) to justify the policies.
You are right, of course, that there is no real reason to pay attention now. The Biden administration will do whatever it wants anyway. Years from now historians can argue about how it was all allowed to happen the way it did.Replies: @AnotherDad, @Mark G.
Fake reason: Putin is the new Hitler and if we don’t stop him there all the dominoes will fall, and the Russians will be parachuting soldiers into our backyards.
Real reason: If we don’t exaggerate foreign threats the public will realize we don’t need to keep spending eight hundred billion dollars a year on our bloated military. A lot of people make a very good living from the military-industrial complex and don’t want that gravy train to end.
It's hilarious that conservatives think the military are their allies. Everything can be sacrificed, except the defense budget.
However, a world in which Russia's sphere of influence extended to the former territory of the USSR and the former East Bloc and even further areas "Finlandized" (which is what Putin dreams of) and China's sphere of influence extended to all of Asia (which is what Xi dreams of) would be a much worse place for America.
Will the imprisoned J6 trespassers ever receive restitution?Replies: @couch scientist, @tyrone, @Corpse Tooth, @Recently Based
“Antifa — it seemed to enjoy semi-official status.”
That’s correct. Aided and organized by certain academics and trained by private sector chaos and espionage agents, hired by reps from the Tide Foundation or other globalist money laundries. Anarcho-tyranny used by security state managerials as a tactic to turn citizens into fear-blitzed jelly-bags. It works.
Before the war, a lot of Russian speakers in Ukraine would not have minded joining Russia or being a Russia "ally" (cough, puppet) like Belarus. After what has happened, a lot fewer. Putin is so clumsy that a lot of things backfire on him - he wanted NATO not to be enlarged. Now it is bigger. He wanted the Russian speakers of Ukraine to love Russia - now they hate it. Etc.
A lot of Russian speakers in Ukraine are learning Ukrainian and vowing never to speak Russian again. There is a funny clip where a reporter asks Zelensky a question in Russian (which is his native language) and he pretends not to understand until the reporter asks the question again in Ukrainian. Keep in mind that Russian and Ukrainian are related languages - it's like switching from Spanish to Portuguese.Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @houston 1992
Don’t you ever get tired of yourself?
-- (https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2009/07/10/the-israel-projects-secret-hasbara-handbook-exposed/)Hasbara Headquarters assigns its more intelligent gas-lighters to TUR, hence the erudition of the Jack D types here.
Art Deco,
Pixo
Jonathan Ricke
Tiny Duck
John Johnson
Zero Philosopher
HA
Corvinus
That Would be TrollingPlus a few others I can't remember. AnotherDad is well on his way there also. The guy is pretty much a one trick pony, and he and Jack D need to exchange phone numbers and leave the rest of us out of this bromance they have going. He's a kovid koolaid drinker and a Zelensky acolyte. His childish ululations on Ukraine are like reading CNN's front page. Maybe Victoria Nuland is his niece or something.Replies: @Harry Baldwin
Blacks would show up to loot; but it was the whites who would concentrate on property damage.
At a minimum, one can wonder if the legal indulgence with which this behavior was treated led to it suddenly becoming so widespread in 2020. If those earlier rioters had been treated like the January 6th protestors, would they have been so widely emulated?Replies: @Prester John, @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @Corpse Tooth
“… it suddenly becoming so widespread in 2020.”
2020 was year zero. But much strategy and network building came before. The origins of our current dilemma can be found in the Bush-Cheney period wherein a still mysterious and quite dramatic death ritual birthed new security state infrastructures. The Obama-Holder era — the dawn of globohomo America — witnessed the 9/11 security state apparatus turned inward toward domestic enemies of globohomo. Globalist funding crosses partisan boundaries as does the malignant Zionist-neoconservative cult.
And pretty sure CNN doesn't know either. But why you--or anyone--would think this "Moon of Alabama" character knows either is beyond me. Commenters here have been breathlessly forwarding links from this blatherer and other war bozos explaining the imminent collapse of the Ukrainians for an entire year now. Wrong. Wrong. Oh, got this bit right. Wrong again.
Russia is a much bigger, richer nation with nukes (i.e. Ukraine was no "existential threat") so if it keeps banging away it should eventually "win"--i.e. blast its way through the rest of Ukraine. So these guys can eventually be "right". "Told you so!"
But why should anyone pay any attention to them now? I have this weird quirk toward empiricism. If you keep feeding me bullshit ... I conclude you are a bullshitter.Replies: @Anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @wj
For the last year all we have heard in the MSM is that Russia is near collapse. Out of ammo , etc. I too have this weird quirk toward empiricism, having been fed a line of garbage from the same people that told me Trump paid for Russian hookers to pee on a bed and that Covid 19 was the end of the world and that Iraq had WMDs, I have concluded that the MSM are bullshitters.
Putin, being a true leader, had his fill of border incursions and threats from the west. He is taking care of that and will be successful at a price. Iwo Jima, Normandy and Okinawa came at a price also.
It turns out that Antifa was shipping in terrorists from all over the US plus imported a couple.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/new-atlanta-police-release-identities-of-23-suspects-in-antifa-terror-attack-on-future-cop-training-center-only-two-are-from-georgia/
And in other terrorist news: Nothing to see here, move along now…
https://oopstop.com/the-ec-ruled-out-the-possibility-of-investigating-the-terrorist-attacks-on-the-nord-stream-in-the-hague/
Since the US has granted itself immunity from Hague it would be pointless anyway.
I brought it up to show that people like you aren’t totally to blame for being misguided. You swim in a sea of propaganda that allows you to draw the conclusions you want — and you want to conclude that Putin is evil and stupid and will lose, while Zelensky is moral and brilliant and will win. You guys are in an alternate information universe, so there is no persuading you with any available facts.
It's people in Russia who swim in propaganda and are trapped in an alternate information universe, so there is no persuading them with any available facts.
Of course Ukraine is minimizing its own losses, but that doesn't make the Russian losses any less real. By their own confession, the Russians send out men as cannon fodder every day, by the hundreds. Even though they have the larger population, they are not going to be able to sustain this. As brainwashed as they are, at some point their own population is going to turn on them.Replies: @vinteuil, @houston 1992, @Hypnotoad666, @Veteran Aryan
There aren’t that many rich old blacks to hit up.
Jack D:
“The Russians tactics, by Moon’s own admission, are inhuman – they send out teams of “expendable” foot soldiers to be mowed down. These men were not “expendable” to their wives, mothers, children and friends but they are sent to certain death.”
Young men have always been treated as expendable by most societies throughout history. This comes from the fact that males have extremely low biological value compared to women, since a woman can only produce one offspring every 9 months(twinning notwithstanding), while a man can, in theory, impregnate up to several women in one day. Even if 99% of all the young of a Society died, the 1% that survived could impregnate the 100% of surviving females several times over.
Perhaps the greatest accomplishment of liberalism wss to uphold the lives of young men as being as valuable as that of young women. Ending the military draft for young men is, IMO, the greatest accompolishment of liberalism ever. More than separation of Church and State, or the right to legal representation, or to habeas corpus, or to freedom of speech.
Many white guys that hate Jews don’t seem to understand that they might owe their very lives to Jews. Back in the 1960’s, Jewish politcal activism was paramount in ending the military draft. Noam Chomsky became famous for his many endless public battles against the draft. He got called coward and traitor innumerable timess by conservatives, but he stook to it because he considered giving young men autonomy over their own lives over what government or Society might want to be a supremely morally important cause. Many guys that trash Jews online would literally not be alive to make those comments because they would have died in wars.
But of course, the end of the military draft was and is an extremely tough sell to conservatives, because conservatives consider the survival of families and tribes more important than individuals, and they find it perfectly natural to draft young men against their will to war. If a young man wants to go die for the nation, that is fine, but he should have the choice.
The biggest myth perpetrated by feminists is that men are privileged and women are oppressed. Yes, it’s true that when it comes to *political* power, historically and until recently men had most of it. But what feminists disingenuously choose to ignore is that all that political power was at the hands of the top 0.1% of men, and that 99.9% of men had no power whatsoever. And they lived shorter and more brutal lives than females, doing the most fangeous jobs and dying in wars.
And even those top 0.1% *still* had an inferior status compared to even an average woman. As seen on “Titanic”, Captains of Industry and senators were expected to sacrifice their lives for completely average women. “Women and children first” as the saying goes. The great discrepancy in biological value between men and women is at the root of a lot of the institutions of traditional societies.
Even when it comes to the upbringing of children, the bias is evident. Parents spoil and pamper their little princesses to no end, and treat their little boys like shit to teach how to “be men”. A little girl or young woman that is in physical pain will receive all sorts of sympathy from people. If she has depression, she will be cuddled and surrounded by family and friends. A little boy, on the other hand, is told to “suck it up, or “man up!” If he is depressed, even suicidal, people will tell him to shake it off, that depression is for fags. There is currently an epidemic of suicides of young men under 30, and nobody cares. Not the liberals and certainly not the conservatives. The biological value of young men is just too low for people to care.
Or consider the issue of circumcision. In almost every American state, circumcision of non-consenting or even consending girls is outlawed. I am not talking here only clitorodoctomy or infibulation, but removal of the inner labia and the clitoral prepuce, which are *exactly* the same as male circumcision(equivalent structures in female anatomy), and should ofer the same supposedly extremely minor health beenfits of male cirucmcision. Conversely, circumcision of little boys is not only legal in all states but widely practiced. A doctor can amputate the for5eskin of a male infant with no legal consequences,but he will lose his medical license and go to jail if he removes the foreskin of a girl(not even the clitoris, just the foreskin of it). This is a very clear and obvious violation of the principle of equality before the law and no one cares. There are many BS excuses, but the real reason why they no one cares is because inflicting pain on a little boy is considered more acceptable than doing this to a little girl. People try to excuse it on the grounds that female circumcision is worse, but when I explain to them that removing only the foreskin of the clitoris is exactly the same as male circumcision and that is also outlawed, and that women also have more genital infections than men so removing their foreskin should offer more of the same medical benefits to them, they *still* don’t care. And the reason why they don’t care, deep down, is because inflicting pain on a little girland doing that to them is considered more barbaric than doing that to a little boy because little boys have a lower biological value and should “be men” and can take the pain. It’s pure sexist gender-bias. There is litterally no other explanation for it. Little girls and females are just a lot more pampered and protected than little boys and young men becaude of their higher biological value. Every othe excuse is BS.
And BTW, I am circumcised myself and I don’t have huge problem for it. The difference is that I got circumcised in my late twenties by my own choice because I had reccurent inflammation. All my cousins around my age are intact and have no problems whatsoever. In fact, the vast majority of intact men will never have any problems, contrary to what the American medical establishment says. But this is not the issue. The issue is equality before the law and personal autonomy. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander according to American law.
Is this a civil war between the Dave Chapelle-negroes and the Stacey Abrams-esque negroes?Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Legba, @Muggles
Dave Chapelle-negroes and the Stacey Abrams-esque negroes?
Talk about a distinction without a difference
Which reminds me, why haven't we been given an explanation as to why Pelosi's office evidently didn't lift a finger to augment security even though it is well settled that they had, at bare minimum, at least a week's notice (probably even more) that the 1/6 rally was going to be a big one and that there may be problems. And what gives with this guy Epps and those other "federal agents" who were sprinkled about the crowd?
Did the Dems in fact "want" this thing to happen?Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @ThreeCranes
Did the Dems in fact “want” this thing to happen?
I believe they did. They are Machiavellian–demonically so. There’s a reason Sam Francis dubbed them the Evil Party and the Republicans the Stupid Party.
This is pure projection. People in the free world can read Moon of Alabama and other Russian propagandists if they want. They are just not credible. People are laughing in Lavrov’s face now. He’s the new Baghdad Bob.
It’s people in Russia who swim in propaganda and are trapped in an alternate information universe, so there is no persuading them with any available facts.
Of course Ukraine is minimizing its own losses, but that doesn’t make the Russian losses any less real. By their own confession, the Russians send out men as cannon fodder every day, by the hundreds. Even though they have the larger population, they are not going to be able to sustain this. As brainwashed as they are, at some point their own population is going to turn on them.
Are there any particular people you're thinking of who are "laughing in Lavrov's face" now?
I'm genuinely curious.Replies: @Jack D
American conservative magazine
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/west-point-prof-pens-blistering-takedown-of-u-s-military-academies/
C Span lecture talk ....excellent ...5 stars
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469452-1/the-cost-loyalty
24min Quality of instruction is much lower than equivalent civilian university
Bakken describes the edu of the Generals.... WP lecturers only have Masters not professional doctorate and are > Truth . USA army values loyalty above all so Gemerals lie to public and politicians
35min Westmoreland was lying/ fabricating VN kill data and Gen Johnson regretted his failure to disclose the truth to public
Generals lack the ethics to tell the public/ Congress that certain wars are un-winnable
MCJ military code justice applied to the "separate" society of the USA military
39:35 role of commander under MCJ vs prosecutor in civilian legal system
Commander decides whether there will be even a prosecution, selects jury, and set aside a jury decision.....
Is this a civil war between the Dave Chapelle-negroes and the Stacey Abrams-esque negroes?Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @Legba, @Muggles
Those arrested were nearly all out of state, out of town Antifa inspired or “members” of this left-wing Democrat Party militia.
The local black (and white) establishment doesn’t want to turn into Seattle or Portland.
Atlanta is in Georgia, not California or Connecticut.
Southerners are not hospitable to “Yankees” from wherever, coming in to cause violence for the local powers that be. In this case, mostly black, as are much of the law enforcement there.
I think some of the recent anti Woke election results are sinking in. Lori Lightfoot, we hardly knew ye…
While the “there is no Antifa” FBI sits on their hands and investigates suspicious nooses, the local politicians are not so cowardly.
Despite their pretensions, very few Woke comrades are other than White. Though riots and vandalism does attract dusky opportunists eager for looting. In this case the acts were in a remote forested area with nothing to steal. So the Comrades had no BIPOC cover or excuses.
The odd side effect of this Democrat inspired gangsterism is that the local black run Democrat politicians gained a measure of respect for their intolerance of leftist attacks.
In this, they have shown more guts against domestic terrorism than any of Biden’s police state puppets at the federal level.
The withheld 1/6 video shows what we all knew -- that the "insurrection" was a totally fake set up and that the media and the Jan 6 Committee are a bunch of liars. But what else is new.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbQOF1bNqloReplies: @Prester John, @vinteuil, @Almost Missouri
“Video unavailable”
“This video is private”
Big Brother doesn’t even pretend, anymore.
He just kicks you in the teeth, and dares you to object.
https://rumble.com/v2c0v0y-tucker-carlson-shows-never-before-seen-footage-from-jan-6-featuring-the-qan.html
It's people in Russia who swim in propaganda and are trapped in an alternate information universe, so there is no persuading them with any available facts.
Of course Ukraine is minimizing its own losses, but that doesn't make the Russian losses any less real. By their own confession, the Russians send out men as cannon fodder every day, by the hundreds. Even though they have the larger population, they are not going to be able to sustain this. As brainwashed as they are, at some point their own population is going to turn on them.Replies: @vinteuil, @houston 1992, @Hypnotoad666, @Veteran Aryan
Really? Seriously?
Are there any particular people you’re thinking of who are “laughing in Lavrov’s face” now?
I’m genuinely curious.
I hate to be “noticing” this, but some posters here bring up defending the now over one year old Russian invasion of Ukraine regardless of the iSteve topic.
Is there some law of Internet commentary that explains this?
Or are they being paid by the word? Rubles? I doubt it…
(Take a look above, it isn’t hard to see who I’m talking about.)
Who knew Mother Russia was so lovable?
Before the war, a lot of Russian speakers in Ukraine would not have minded joining Russia or being a Russia "ally" (cough, puppet) like Belarus. After what has happened, a lot fewer. Putin is so clumsy that a lot of things backfire on him - he wanted NATO not to be enlarged. Now it is bigger. He wanted the Russian speakers of Ukraine to love Russia - now they hate it. Etc.
A lot of Russian speakers in Ukraine are learning Ukrainian and vowing never to speak Russian again. There is a funny clip where a reporter asks Zelensky a question in Russian (which is his native language) and he pretends not to understand until the reporter asks the question again in Ukrainian. Keep in mind that Russian and Ukrainian are related languages - it's like switching from Spanish to Portuguese.Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @houston 1992
“Putin wanted NATO not to be enlarged. ”
NATO may have added members, but more members mean more commitments for the USA. And our mind is writing checks that our body cannot cash.
The USA military is facing declining enrollments. USA navy dropped its standard again. Average SAT at WP and Anapolis rank # 111,112 in the nation. Few upper middle class kids are joining the military whether it be USA or Stockholm or Helsinki. The war is garnering zero enthusiasm from Generation Z.
A larger NATO just means more risk for the USA in being chain ganged into a war we dont want.
1) term chain gang that drags USA into a war …….. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/international-organization/article/abs/chain-gangs-and-passed-bucks-predicting-alliance-patterns-in-multipolarity/F14C4DDDF83A484B673A55E1D925CDAA
2) Steve’s buddy, Murray, tweeted a comment on this approach
“Relatedly, the US Navy recently announced that it would be lowering the cut-off score for the IQ test it administers to new recruits. There had been complaints about the fact that only 30% of blacks were passing. (The pass rate for whites was 70%.)”
Will the imprisoned J6 trespassers ever receive restitution?Replies: @couch scientist, @tyrone, @Corpse Tooth, @Recently Based
I assumed this $21K payment story was some kind of scammy QAnon-type made-up craziness, but apparently I still have not fully accepted how f’ked America is. You are exactly right: https://www.axios.com/2023/03/01/nyc-settlement-george-floyd-protests
It's people in Russia who swim in propaganda and are trapped in an alternate information universe, so there is no persuading them with any available facts.
Of course Ukraine is minimizing its own losses, but that doesn't make the Russian losses any less real. By their own confession, the Russians send out men as cannon fodder every day, by the hundreds. Even though they have the larger population, they are not going to be able to sustain this. As brainwashed as they are, at some point their own population is going to turn on them.Replies: @vinteuil, @houston 1992, @Hypnotoad666, @Veteran Aryan
Professor Bakken (still at WP) in his book that American Conservative Mag reviewed painted picture of a USA military that would not deliver a robust performer against RU or China
American conservative magazine
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/west-point-prof-pens-blistering-takedown-of-u-s-military-academies/
C Span lecture talk ….excellent …5 stars
https://www.c-span.org/video/?469452-1/the-cost-loyalty
24min Quality of instruction is much lower than equivalent civilian university
Bakken describes the edu of the Generals…. WP lecturers only have Masters not professional doctorate and are > Truth . USA army values loyalty above all so Gemerals lie to public and politicians
35min Westmoreland was lying/ fabricating VN kill data and Gen Johnson regretted his failure to disclose the truth to public
Generals lack the ethics to tell the public/ Congress that certain wars are un-winnable
MCJ military code justice applied to the “separate” society of the USA military
39:35 role of commander under MCJ vs prosecutor in civilian legal system
Commander decides whether there will be even a prosecution, selects jury, and set aside a jury decision…..
The Brits were the world champ imperialists. They could not afford it after the War. They were out of India in two years. They had--fairly respectably--wrapped the whole thing up by the early 60s.
The French were a harder case--with a big ego, but an embarassing failure in the War. They had to get Dien Bien Phu'ed. But de Gaulle had them out of Algeria in '61 and they were pretty much done with it. A bit of imperial policing in West Africa about it.
America's explicit imperialism pretty much started and ended with the Philippines (our sleaziest war) and we ducked out immediately after the War. We're still saddled with Puerto Rico but Americans would be happy for that to float off our plate. Americans are pretty tired of the missionary wars. I think, it has sunk in we can not "fix" other people's problems.
I doubt the typical Russian has any interest in all this imperial bullshit. It's not 1914 with young men clamoring for war and joining up. Russians are running from this debacle in droves.
No this is Putin. A genuine asshole.
~~Russia would benefit greatly from spinning off anything piece that is majority muzzie, and inviting any Russians there to move back to Russia--right of return--with generous relocation.
But they have an even bigger problem with the muzzies, in Russia, Russia. I've seen those picks with tens of thousands passive-aggressively owning the streets and mooning Moscow. Not as crazy as the US, but they have millions of "temporary workers" and millions more illegals from the 'stans.
They've got "work" to do.
But if they did that work and could cut and paste back to a 90% Russian Russia, I don't see any big problem with Russia being a normal country.
Like the West, they badly need better leaders. Leaders loyal to the actual nation.Replies: @houston 1992
AnotherDad: have you not reviewed Mearsheimer’s analysis and his 3x lectures at Yale 2017 on realism ?
driving Russia into China’s arms
I think this is the key point for the US in this war. The super-geniuses who had us pour untold resources into the sands of Iraq and Afghanistan chasing the chimera of nation-building now think they are using Ukraine as a cat’s paw against Russia. The reality is closer to China using Russia as a cat’s paw against the US.
But as is always the case, Ignatz Mouse uses Krazy Kat to kat's-paw Officer Pupp.
Yeah, agreed, there’s obviously an interesting backstory here which will go completely unexplored by contemporary “journalists.”
Why Atlanta? Why this specific police academy facility? Why now?
Good questions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuhn,_Loeb_%26_Co.
It's people in Russia who swim in propaganda and are trapped in an alternate information universe, so there is no persuading them with any available facts.
Of course Ukraine is minimizing its own losses, but that doesn't make the Russian losses any less real. By their own confession, the Russians send out men as cannon fodder every day, by the hundreds. Even though they have the larger population, they are not going to be able to sustain this. As brainwashed as they are, at some point their own population is going to turn on them.Replies: @vinteuil, @houston 1992, @Hypnotoad666, @Veteran Aryan
In Clown World, the clowns laugh at the serious people.
I think this is the key point for the US in this war. The super-geniuses who had us pour untold resources into the sands of Iraq and Afghanistan chasing the chimera of nation-building now think they are using Ukraine as a cat's paw against Russia. The reality is closer to China using Russia as a cat's paw against the US.Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
Like the old cartoon goes, “I can’t even tell who’s cat’s-pawing who any more!”
But as is always the case, Ignatz Mouse uses Krazy Kat to kat’s-paw Officer Pupp.
"This video is private"
Big Brother doesn't even pretend, anymore.
He just kicks you in the teeth, and dares you to object.Replies: @Hrw-500
Some parts of that video have been re-uploaded elsewhere like Bitchute, Rumble and Odysee. I guess Youtube didn’t learn about the Streisand effect.
https://rumble.com/v2c0v0y-tucker-carlson-shows-never-before-seen-footage-from-jan-6-featuring-the-qan.html
Sorry Steve, I didn’t mean to use the J word.
This guy, for instance, is definitely not J.
The Js themselves said so.
Russia's--the state--has a bit higher fertility than Ukraine. But that's because of Muslims. Chechnya has the highest fertility. Other heavily muzzie states follow. And then there are millions (supposedly 7 million) "temporary" workers and millions more illegals mostly from the 'stans. Actual "Russian" vs. actual "Ukrainian" fertility was probably pretty much a wash. The Ukranian population situation was much better, because fewer muslims and immigrants.
A nation can deal with a population decline. They've been common. Wars. The plague scythed through Europe, maybe killing a 1/3 of the people. (In some villages, towns, districts--90%!) But then life after--Mathusian pressure temporary lifted--was pretty good. And populations bounced back.
Breeder types--often religious, but also just people with pro-natal, pro-family, pro-child genotypes-will bring on population recovery in every nation.
But they have to be allowed to do so. That basically means preventing invaders coming in and stealing and quashing your nation's natural population recovery. It means beating down--if necessary defenestrating--the "must have immigration!" bleaters. (We know who they are.)
Western "elites" are genocidally destroying their nations. But the imperialist Putin is almost as bad. Making war to keep Chechnya in Russia. Millions of legal "temporary worker" invaders. Millions more illegals. Muzzies expanding across Russia. Asses in the air in Moscow. Basically Putin's pissed on Russia's--the actual Russian people's--future in order to be big swinging dick imperialist--Czar Vlad.
And yes, Putin now has even more to answer for. His sleazy imperialist war is a debacle for Ukraine--killing tens of thousands, including some of the best of its men and sending millions into exile. But it's a debacle for Russia as well. Thousands of young men killed. Hundreds of thousands running into exile. The economy and "affordable family formation" put into reverse.
Example: a neighbor of mine employs a squad of Russians to write the software for his product. He's got a couple of smart young hot-shots. He told 'em--don't worry about work, do what you gotta do. They've both fled Russia--one to one of the 'stans, the other to the Philippines--to avoid being Putin's cannon fodder. Precisely the sort of smart, go-getter young men you want impregnating Russian girls, fathering the next generation--gone, probably for good.
Imperialism and imperialists are bad for nations--often including their own. And Putin is a world class imperialist a*hole.Replies: @Jack D, @Cagey Beast
I just found a YouTube channel you might enjoy:
Similarly the antifa seems to just be ' applied cluster B personality disorders', they're the slightly more deranged cohorts of the 'artistic' students who used to smoke behind the gym. It was unreal how the 3 that were killed in the shooting all had crazy priors like molesting their nephews. Needless to say, domestic assault charges are fairly common among the antifa arrested in Portland covered by Andy Ngo. Similar to how the internet allowed autistic nerds and girls with BPD, small minorities in any specific geographic location, to find each other and coalesce online, it allowed these nut cases to find each other and create these organisations for recreation violence gussied up as political activism.
And needless to say, the lack of respecting boundaries, others and their own, the biggest commonality of all cluster B types, is a big part of why the antifa communes always devolved into abuse and assault.
In general the antifa didn't seem so cold and calculating like a terrorist organisation but rather like a mob of hysterical and childish art students with enough dark triad traits in them that they really really liked violence.
It might also make for a good iSteve post to mention the whole obvious fact that the mysterious 'umbrella man' who seemed to be trying to induce or assist a more violent protest in Minneapolis in May 2020 wasn't some 'far right agitator' or police infiltrator (As the local black witnesses who just saw a white guy dressed up in black meticulously smashing windows in an autoshop in broad daylight with a gas mask and concealing himself with a black umbrella, suspected) seeking to discredit the protests by turning them into riots but rather an antifa who wanted to turn the protests in riots.
A guy even got set up and arrested despite there being no evidence and having his phone and computer confiscated. Because of course this guy who showed up hours after Floyd's death was actually a member of the 'Aryan Cowboys' biker gang from quite a distance away who just so happened to have the uniform of the antifa on him.
In reality it became clear from looking at pictures of video of the antifa in Portland that 'Umbrella man' was dressed up like an antifa, down to the same brand of gas mask (With distinctive pink air filters) and sporting black umbrellas to hide their faces/use as shields. 'Umbrella man' was antifa.
But the hysteria around him was unquestioned and today, despite it being untenable to suggest he was anything but an antifa of which quite a few showed up real quick to start fighting with police in Minneapolis.
For instance the wikipedia page (An important source for news and the public on events that are developing) of the riots had in the top paragraph the statement that acktually the riots were kicked off by a far right agitator (Affiliated to the 'Aryan Cowboys motorcycle gang no less!) known as 'Umbrella man'. Of course the dude was wearing a gas mask and had his face only briefly caught on a low quality phone video how could they possibly ID him? Well, that didn't actually go through the formality of happening (It turned out a woman who knew him just accused him and that was good enough for the police) but the police communicated to the public like they had. Evidently they 'matched' his eyebrows.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Floyd_protests_in_Minneapolis%E2%80%93Saint_Paul&oldid=970050555
This was the second paragraph at the very top of the page for quite a while before mysterious disappearing. Note the lack of any uncertainty, it was all caused by this guy.https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/07/28/warrant-white-supremacist-instigated-looting-at-george-floyd-protest-in-minneapolis
https://triblive.com/news/world/police-hells-angel-sparked-minneapolis-riots-over-george-floyd
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53579099
Here is the video taken of 'Umbrella man' smashing the windows of the autoparts shop whose later arson was the focal point of when the protests turned into full on riots with swarms of white and Asian antifa showing up on the second night after Floyd's death.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvUe7pJVYD4
Here is a post from an antifa group detailing what gear it's members should buy including a big black umbrella like the suspicious one used by 'Umbrella man' (Which surely would have made the white guy seem weird and suspicious in May of 2020 before anyone had much idea of what a modern 'black bloc' looked like to the local black residents in the video) as well as goggles and face masks like him as well as black leisure wear.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200814193124/https://twitter.com/chicago_commune/status/1294355567096586240
And here is a video of antifa using the exact same clothing and equipment to the list detailed in the tweet above and 'Umbrella man', designed to help them hide their identities and be hard to prosecute. (Not that it apparently worked for Umbrella man whom police IDed from his eyebrows apparently)
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1297775069716865025
Not a single news outlet or wikipedia published a retraction of their zany conspiracy theory. No media either took the MPD to task for their obvious attempt to help manage a shitshow by arresting an innocent guy.Replies: @Kylie, @Harry Baldwin
“In general the antifa didn’t seem so cold and calculating like a terrorist organisation but rather like a mob of hysterical and childish art students with enough dark triad traits in them that they really really liked violence.”
I doubt they really really like violence, period. I suspect they really really perpetrating violence on unarmed and unsuspecting victims.
In other words, malicious, cowardly children acting out when backed by enabling adults.
Are you saying that the immigration bleaters are Jews? So that being against the "must have immigration!" bleaters is therefore anti-Semitic?Replies: @HammerJack
He’s saying that ipso facto if you notice anything unpleasant you’re being anti-semitic. Not sure he’s thought this through.
Is there some law of Internet commentary that explains this?
Or are they being paid by the word? Rubles? I doubt it...
(Take a look above, it isn't hard to see who I'm talking about.)
Who knew Mother Russia was so lovable?Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Hunsdon
It’s not that Mother Russia is so lovable; it’s that Ukraine isn’t worth one hundred billion dollars.
Are there any particular people you're thinking of who are "laughing in Lavrov's face" now?
I'm genuinely curious.Replies: @Jack D
Google it.
German Military Blogger Bernhart (Moon of Alabama): The Ukrainians are effectively surrounded and getting slaughtered in their trenches by the Russians' 10:1 firepower superiority. Their only chance to survive is to abandon their heavy weapons and make a run for it through the artillery gauntlet to safety. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/why-bakhmut-is-falling.html#more
CNN's version: The Russians are incompetent losers whom the Ukrainians have lured to their destruction in the insignificant town of Bakhmut, where they are being destroyed at a ratio of 7:1 because (as mentioned) the Russians are incompetent losers. But the Ukrainians have grown so tired of winning that they intend to make a controlled tactical redeployment in the opposite direction, away from the city. When this happens, however, it is not to be interpreted as any kind of defeat, but rather as another very smart victory over the incompetent loser Russians. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/europe/russia-ukraine-bakhmut-analysis-intl/index.html
From CNN:Moon of Alabama Report:Replies: @Post-Postmodernist, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @HammerJack, @Prester John, @AnotherDad, @William Badwhite, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @Nicholas Stix, @Papi_vergudo
Didn’t this used to be called straightening the front?
Similarly the antifa seems to just be ' applied cluster B personality disorders', they're the slightly more deranged cohorts of the 'artistic' students who used to smoke behind the gym. It was unreal how the 3 that were killed in the shooting all had crazy priors like molesting their nephews. Needless to say, domestic assault charges are fairly common among the antifa arrested in Portland covered by Andy Ngo. Similar to how the internet allowed autistic nerds and girls with BPD, small minorities in any specific geographic location, to find each other and coalesce online, it allowed these nut cases to find each other and create these organisations for recreation violence gussied up as political activism.
And needless to say, the lack of respecting boundaries, others and their own, the biggest commonality of all cluster B types, is a big part of why the antifa communes always devolved into abuse and assault.
In general the antifa didn't seem so cold and calculating like a terrorist organisation but rather like a mob of hysterical and childish art students with enough dark triad traits in them that they really really liked violence.
It might also make for a good iSteve post to mention the whole obvious fact that the mysterious 'umbrella man' who seemed to be trying to induce or assist a more violent protest in Minneapolis in May 2020 wasn't some 'far right agitator' or police infiltrator (As the local black witnesses who just saw a white guy dressed up in black meticulously smashing windows in an autoshop in broad daylight with a gas mask and concealing himself with a black umbrella, suspected) seeking to discredit the protests by turning them into riots but rather an antifa who wanted to turn the protests in riots.
A guy even got set up and arrested despite there being no evidence and having his phone and computer confiscated. Because of course this guy who showed up hours after Floyd's death was actually a member of the 'Aryan Cowboys' biker gang from quite a distance away who just so happened to have the uniform of the antifa on him.
In reality it became clear from looking at pictures of video of the antifa in Portland that 'Umbrella man' was dressed up like an antifa, down to the same brand of gas mask (With distinctive pink air filters) and sporting black umbrellas to hide their faces/use as shields. 'Umbrella man' was antifa.
But the hysteria around him was unquestioned and today, despite it being untenable to suggest he was anything but an antifa of which quite a few showed up real quick to start fighting with police in Minneapolis.
For instance the wikipedia page (An important source for news and the public on events that are developing) of the riots had in the top paragraph the statement that acktually the riots were kicked off by a far right agitator (Affiliated to the 'Aryan Cowboys motorcycle gang no less!) known as 'Umbrella man'. Of course the dude was wearing a gas mask and had his face only briefly caught on a low quality phone video how could they possibly ID him? Well, that didn't actually go through the formality of happening (It turned out a woman who knew him just accused him and that was good enough for the police) but the police communicated to the public like they had. Evidently they 'matched' his eyebrows.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Floyd_protests_in_Minneapolis%E2%80%93Saint_Paul&oldid=970050555
This was the second paragraph at the very top of the page for quite a while before mysterious disappearing. Note the lack of any uncertainty, it was all caused by this guy.https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/07/28/warrant-white-supremacist-instigated-looting-at-george-floyd-protest-in-minneapolis
https://triblive.com/news/world/police-hells-angel-sparked-minneapolis-riots-over-george-floyd
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53579099
Here is the video taken of 'Umbrella man' smashing the windows of the autoparts shop whose later arson was the focal point of when the protests turned into full on riots with swarms of white and Asian antifa showing up on the second night after Floyd's death.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvUe7pJVYD4
Here is a post from an antifa group detailing what gear it's members should buy including a big black umbrella like the suspicious one used by 'Umbrella man' (Which surely would have made the white guy seem weird and suspicious in May of 2020 before anyone had much idea of what a modern 'black bloc' looked like to the local black residents in the video) as well as goggles and face masks like him as well as black leisure wear.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200814193124/https://twitter.com/chicago_commune/status/1294355567096586240
And here is a video of antifa using the exact same clothing and equipment to the list detailed in the tweet above and 'Umbrella man', designed to help them hide their identities and be hard to prosecute. (Not that it apparently worked for Umbrella man whom police IDed from his eyebrows apparently)
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1297775069716865025
Not a single news outlet or wikipedia published a retraction of their zany conspiracy theory. No media either took the MPD to task for their obvious attempt to help manage a shitshow by arresting an innocent guy.Replies: @Kylie, @Harry Baldwin
A search for news about “Umbrella Man” comes up with a name:
It doesn’t seem that he was ever charged with a crime or that any evidence linked him with the crime. He just happened to have a sketchy past.
If a loser like that shows up for a medical examination early in the morning, and he/it presents as “left-leaning,” first thought is Peyronie’s disease.
I’ve known some of these characters. Often very intelligent… but emotionally troubled. And that’s the special sauce for avant-garde progressives. It’s their Texas Pete.
It's people in Russia who swim in propaganda and are trapped in an alternate information universe, so there is no persuading them with any available facts.
Of course Ukraine is minimizing its own losses, but that doesn't make the Russian losses any less real. By their own confession, the Russians send out men as cannon fodder every day, by the hundreds. Even though they have the larger population, they are not going to be able to sustain this. As brainwashed as they are, at some point their own population is going to turn on them.Replies: @vinteuil, @houston 1992, @Hypnotoad666, @Veteran Aryan
So they’re exactly the same as every other army, but it’s evil when they do it. Got it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64880268
If any American military commander tried to use the tactics that the Russians are using, such as sending out raw recruits as "bait" to be killed in order to reveal enemy firing positions, they would be court martialed immediately.
Americans have this crazy idea that everyone is "just like us". Either this means that other people are as kind and friendly as Americans (wrong) or else that the American army and government is just as evil as others (also wrong). Not understanding this can get you into a lot of trouble, like those 4 black people who decided to drive to Mexico for cut rate plastic surgery.Replies: @Veteran Aryan
Why Atlanta? Why this specific police academy facility? Why now?
Good questions.Replies: @Veteran Aryan
Doesn’t align with Democrat goals. Does align with Soros goals.
“…They have already lost this pointless war. ..”
Not actually true.
German Military Blogger Bernhart (Moon of Alabama): The Ukrainians are effectively surrounded and getting slaughtered in their trenches by the Russians' 10:1 firepower superiority. Their only chance to survive is to abandon their heavy weapons and make a run for it through the artillery gauntlet to safety. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/why-bakhmut-is-falling.html#more
CNN's version: The Russians are incompetent losers whom the Ukrainians have lured to their destruction in the insignificant town of Bakhmut, where they are being destroyed at a ratio of 7:1 because (as mentioned) the Russians are incompetent losers. But the Ukrainians have grown so tired of winning that they intend to make a controlled tactical redeployment in the opposite direction, away from the city. When this happens, however, it is not to be interpreted as any kind of defeat, but rather as another very smart victory over the incompetent loser Russians. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/europe/russia-ukraine-bakhmut-analysis-intl/index.html
From CNN:Moon of Alabama Report:Replies: @Post-Postmodernist, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @HammerJack, @Prester John, @AnotherDad, @William Badwhite, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @Nicholas Stix, @Papi_vergudo
I have no idea what the facts are over there, and consider said ignorance an excellent reason for us NOT to to be waging war on russia.
To echo a recently retired political thinker, fighting russia serves no vital American interest.
I see five things going on in this war:
1. Permitting fake president/real gangster Joe Biden to further pauperize White Americans;
2. Permitting fake president/real gangster Joe Biden to stuff his pockets with tens of additional billions of American Whites’ tax dollars;
3. Permitting comedian/gangster Vladimir Zelensky to stuff his pockets with tens of billions of American Whites’ tax dollars;
4. Permitting American defense contractors to stuff their pockets with tens of additional billions of American Whites’ tax dollars; and
5. To bring us to the brink of nuclear war.
Agree: Johann RickeReplies: @Jack D
And you know what that means…………………………
…………………………………….they crossed state lines!
Which, as we know from CNN and MSNBC, is some kind of grave offense in itself.
The founders of “Our Democracy” (trade mark) never intended that people should be free to travel from state to state. They envisioned an internal passport system like the Soviet Union had. At least, that’s what I’ve learned from the dull-witted Nichole Wallace and her retinue of idiot MSNBC contributors.
The ‘Founders’ of the United States were the citizens of the separate states operating in state conventions. I’d like to know how Nicole came to know ‘the Founders’ intentions. From what I can see folks coming from Ms. Wallace’s cohort don’t even know who the Founders were.
German Military Blogger Bernhart (Moon of Alabama): The Ukrainians are effectively surrounded and getting slaughtered in their trenches by the Russians' 10:1 firepower superiority. Their only chance to survive is to abandon their heavy weapons and make a run for it through the artillery gauntlet to safety. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/why-bakhmut-is-falling.html#more
CNN's version: The Russians are incompetent losers whom the Ukrainians have lured to their destruction in the insignificant town of Bakhmut, where they are being destroyed at a ratio of 7:1 because (as mentioned) the Russians are incompetent losers. But the Ukrainians have grown so tired of winning that they intend to make a controlled tactical redeployment in the opposite direction, away from the city. When this happens, however, it is not to be interpreted as any kind of defeat, but rather as another very smart victory over the incompetent loser Russians. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/europe/russia-ukraine-bakhmut-analysis-intl/index.html
From CNN:Moon of Alabama Report:Replies: @Post-Postmodernist, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @HammerJack, @Prester John, @AnotherDad, @William Badwhite, @Jack D, @Colin Wright, @Nicholas Stix, @Papi_vergudo
The incompetent loser ruzzians are precisely that.. The conquest that was to take btwo weeks tops is in its 54th week…l. Between 300 thousand and one million young ruzzians have left to avoid conscription — so much for the patriotic putinistas…. Twenty thousand have been arrested for demonstrating against bthe war… Rich and not-so rich critics keeps falling out of windows to their deaths…. Wagner mercenaries are mowed down….depleted army resorts to sixty year old tanks….
The withheld 1/6 video shows what we all knew -- that the "insurrection" was a totally fake set up and that the media and the Jan 6 Committee are a bunch of liars. But what else is new.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbQOF1bNqloReplies: @Prester John, @vinteuil, @Almost Missouri
YouTube seems to have taken down Tucker’s 1/6/23 show from your URL and put some weird naked black guy in its place, presumably as an affront.
I've known some of these characters. Often very intelligent... but emotionally troubled. And that's the special sauce for avant-garde progressives. It's their Texas Pete.Replies: @Rob
I read that as avant-tarde and thought it was the best neologism I’ve seen in years. Think I’ll use it.
I think the general idea is that your elected officials are the custodians of the treasury and the functions of government, otherwise every citizen would have an all-purpose veto over every government function. (You or I might like that, but people who write statutes don’t think that way.)
Still, there may be states where there is a taxpayer cause of action against a harmer of public property. I don’t know.
With 26,400 comments so far at TUR, Jack D is almost certainly hasbara. He/she would never admit it of course. Hasbara are ordered, when dealing with the goyim, to deny they’re hasbara.
“The Israel Project’s Secret Hasbara Handbook Exposed”:
— (https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2009/07/10/the-israel-projects-secret-hasbara-handbook-exposed/)
Hasbara Headquarters assigns its more intelligent gas-lighters to TUR, hence the erudition of the Jack D types here.
Another of the arrestees was a wealthy tranny:
“Marsicano is listed on the UNC School of Law website as a Dean’s Fellow, with an undergraduate degree from Brown University.
“Michael Marsicano, the suspect’s father, retired in January 2023 from 23 years as CEO of Foundation of the Carolinas. Also a Governing Board member at Duke University and Duke University Health System, Michael Marsicano was named to the top spot of the Most Powerful In Charlotte in 2017,. He and his wife Leslie have remained influential in the Charlotte area, leading Charlotte Mayor Vi Lyles $250 million Mayor’s Racial Equity Initiative.
“James Marsicano’s bio on the UNC site lists a hometown of Charlotte and activities as “National Lawyers Guild, Outlaw, Organizing off campus.” Marsicano also goes by the alias, Jamie Marsica, or Marsicana, identifying as “a white trans femme organizer in Charlotte who is fiercely committed to supporting Black trans femmes, prison abolition, and destabilizing all forms of oppression. She/they was a core organizer during the Charlotte Uprising,” according to “The Funambulist.” Atlanta PD and the GBI list both names, “Marsicano” and “Mariscana,” with mugshots on the APD website, detailing Sunday’s violence and listing the names of those arrested.
He’s no Jimmy McGill/Saul Goodman, for sure.
And in other terrorist news: Nothing to see here, move along now...https://oopstop.com/the-ec-ruled-out-the-possibility-of-investigating-the-terrorist-attacks-on-the-nord-stream-in-the-hague/Replies: @Anon
“The EC ruled out the possibility of investigating the terrorist attacks on the Nord Stream in The Hague”
Since the US has granted itself immunity from Hague it would be pointless anyway.
...........................................they crossed state lines!
Which, as we know from CNN and MSNBC, is some kind of grave offense in itself.
The founders of "Our Democracy" (trade mark) never intended that people should be free to travel from state to state. They envisioned an internal passport system like the Soviet Union had. At least, that's what I've learned from the dull-witted Nichole Wallace and her retinue of idiot MSNBC contributors.Replies: @Curle
“The founders of “Our Democracy” (trade mark) never intended that people should be free to travel from state to state.”
The ‘Founders’ of the United States were the citizens of the separate states operating in state conventions. I’d like to know how Nicole came to know ‘the Founders’ intentions. From what I can see folks coming from Ms. Wallace’s cohort don’t even know who the Founders were.
No they aren’t. In the Iraq War, the US lost 3,500 men in 8 years. The Russians have probably lost that many in Bakhmut in the last 8 weeks, if not more. Between 20,000 and 30,000 Russian troops have been killed and wounded just in the battle for Bakhmut since it began last summer.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64880268
If any American military commander tried to use the tactics that the Russians are using, such as sending out raw recruits as “bait” to be killed in order to reveal enemy firing positions, they would be court martialed immediately.
Americans have this crazy idea that everyone is “just like us”. Either this means that other people are as kind and friendly as Americans (wrong) or else that the American army and government is just as evil as others (also wrong). Not understanding this can get you into a lot of trouble, like those 4 black people who decided to drive to Mexico for cut rate plastic surgery.
https://charliecompany.org/2017/01/20/patrols-in-the-vietnam-war/
Now move out and draw fire, non-hacker.Replies: @Jack D
But, except for the Muslims, Russia is a monogamous society so that for every young Russian man killed there is going to be a young Russian woman left without a mate. This is going to reduce their already low fertility. Russian women aren’t going to be able to double and triple up to make up for all of the missing young men.
In any case, as you say, most of the West has evolved to the point where we no longer treat young men as cannon fodder. Yes, we lost troops in Afghanistan and in Iraq but every attempt was made to minimize casualties while the Russians still seem to be completely indifferent to the lives of their troops. This is just one more way in which Russia remains a backward society despite the gleaming skyscrapers of Moscow.
To echo a recently retired political thinker, fighting russia serves no vital American interest.
I see five things going on in this war:
1. Permitting fake president/real gangster Joe Biden to further pauperize White Americans;
2. Permitting fake president/real gangster Joe Biden to stuff his pockets with tens of additional billions of American Whites’ tax dollars;
3. Permitting comedian/gangster Vladimir Zelensky to stuff his pockets with tens of billions of American Whites’ tax dollars;
4. Permitting American defense contractors to stuff their pockets with tens of additional billions of American Whites’ tax dollars; and
5. To bring us to the brink of nuclear war.Replies: @William Badwhite, @Veteran Aryan
6. To give JackD, HA, and other shills an excuse to post tens of thousands of repetitive comments, and to give Johann Ricke an excuse to “thanks” or “agree” with 75% of JackD’s posts.
Agree: Johann Ricke
BTW, speaking of Ukraine, the latest story is, contra Seymour Hersh, the Nord Streams were blasted by a "Pro-Ukrainian group" not the USG and not the Ukrainian govt. either.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html
Now this would be very convenient for the Ukrainian (and US) government since blowing up things that are important to their German allies is not nice. But if an independent Pro-Ukrainian group that is not under their direct control or following their orders did it, well, whadaya, whadya. So you might think that this is too good to be true. But it still might be true anyway.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html
He’s clearly one of our paid trolls. He’s too predictable and boring to be in it for the entertainment. Tiny Duck he ain’t.
Agree: Johann RickeReplies: @Jack D
Hypnotoad666 was the one who brought up the war totally out of the blue, not me. I don’t post out of the blue Russian war propaganda, but if he brings it up, I am going to call him on his BS every time.
BTW, speaking of Ukraine, the latest story is, contra Seymour Hersh, the Nord Streams were blasted by a “Pro-Ukrainian group” not the USG and not the Ukrainian govt. either.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html
Now this would be very convenient for the Ukrainian (and US) government since blowing up things that are important to their German allies is not nice. But if an independent Pro-Ukrainian group that is not under their direct control or following their orders did it, well, whadaya, whadya. So you might think that this is too good to be true. But it still might be true anyway.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html
Which reminds me, why haven't we been given an explanation as to why Pelosi's office evidently didn't lift a finger to augment security even though it is well settled that they had, at bare minimum, at least a week's notice (probably even more) that the 1/6 rally was going to be a big one and that there may be problems. And what gives with this guy Epps and those other "federal agents" who were sprinkled about the crowd?
Did the Dems in fact "want" this thing to happen?Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @ThreeCranes
Yes. As Carlsen pointed out, it was Trump himself who requested National Guard backup. But that would have nullified the “insurrection” that the Dems needed to make the Repubs look like the bad guys.
The Dems had already ordered the twelve foot chain link fencing and concertina wire that cordoned off the traditional parade route; the fencing which was to keep the surging crowd of maddened Trump protestors from ruining the inauguration. Problem was, the MAGA people weren’t playing the part they were assigned. Instead of running amok and wreaking havoc at the capital two weeks before, they were, for the most part, well behaved and respectful. So, the riot had to be goosed by government thugs. It was all, ultimately, about making the inauguration look besieged and the Dems as the saviors of Democracy.
When all the mayhem failed to materialize, the Jewish dominated Dems doubled down, as they predictably do. They ran with the “insurrection” story even though there was no evidence of such. No problem, they told themselves, we’ll not only spin it on our media, but even appoint a Congressional panel to invent–slash that–investigate it.
Again, the problem, from their perspective, is that MAGA people are good, well-intentioned citizens who just won’t conform to the Dem’s projected villainy.
Typical woketard censorship by YouTube/Google. They can only win by hiding stuff.
I doubt they really really like violence, period. I suspect they really really perpetrating violence on unarmed and unsuspecting victims.
In other words, malicious, cowardly children acting out when backed by enabling adults.Replies: @vinteuil
Yes. Yes. A hunded times this.
This guy, for instance, is definitely not J.
The Js themselves said so.
https://i.ibb.co/9tdWRfX/Screenshot-20230307-201834-Daily-Mail-Online.jpgReplies: @Jack D
Did you read the caption. He FAKED his Jewish heritage. He is a goy like you. Just because you call yourself “Hayim Cohen” and put on a fake Hasidic outfit doesn’t mean that you are actually Jewish. He also faked illness and went around with an oxygen tube. What makes you think that other allegations against him are true but that this one isn’t?
I’m sure this will come out at trial – on Tik Tok you can be anything – put on some sidelocks and now you are a Jew – but under cross examination and with witnesses it will be easy to know whether he was faking this. Normally it would not be relevant at all but it is relevant in that the guy was an all around faker and this is one more aspect of his fakery.
In Chicago on the South Side there was an ad by/for a Harvard Law graduate with his boxing gloves on.
Commenters to put on ignore:
Jack D
Art Deco,
Pixo
Jonathan Ricke
Tiny Duck
John Johnson
Zero Philosopher
HA
Corvinus
That Would be Trolling
Plus a few others I can’t remember.
AnotherDad is well on his way there also. The guy is pretty much a one trick pony, and he and Jack D need to exchange phone numbers and leave the rest of us out of this bromance they have going. He’s a kovid koolaid drinker and a Zelensky acolyte. His childish ululations on Ukraine are like reading CNN’s front page. Maybe Victoria Nuland is his niece or something.
I wish there were an option to put Jack D. on the list only when he's discussing certain topics, like the Ukraine war or Israel. He has useful insight on other matters but, as you say, the rest of us would prefer it if he and Another Dad could play "Here We Go Round the Mulberry Bush" to their hearts' content off-line somewhere.Replies: @Hunsdon
Jurgens just needs to put a little of his hand lotion on the right palms, and he’ll slide right out of trouble.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64880268
If any American military commander tried to use the tactics that the Russians are using, such as sending out raw recruits as "bait" to be killed in order to reveal enemy firing positions, they would be court martialed immediately.
Americans have this crazy idea that everyone is "just like us". Either this means that other people are as kind and friendly as Americans (wrong) or else that the American army and government is just as evil as others (also wrong). Not understanding this can get you into a lot of trouble, like those 4 black people who decided to drive to Mexico for cut rate plastic surgery.Replies: @Veteran Aryan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_point
https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-history/the-loach-was-one-of-the-riskiest-helicopter-assignments-in-vietnam/
https://www.wearethemighty.com/military-life/why-being-a-pointman-is-the-worst-job/
https://cherrieswriter.com/2015/05/28/a-day-in-the-life-of-an-infantry-point-man-in-vietnam/
https://charliecompany.org/2017/01/20/patrols-in-the-vietnam-war/
Now move out and draw fire, non-hacker.
To echo a recently retired political thinker, fighting russia serves no vital American interest.
I see five things going on in this war:
1. Permitting fake president/real gangster Joe Biden to further pauperize White Americans;
2. Permitting fake president/real gangster Joe Biden to stuff his pockets with tens of additional billions of American Whites’ tax dollars;
3. Permitting comedian/gangster Vladimir Zelensky to stuff his pockets with tens of billions of American Whites’ tax dollars;
4. Permitting American defense contractors to stuff their pockets with tens of additional billions of American Whites’ tax dollars; and
5. To bring us to the brink of nuclear war.Replies: @William Badwhite, @Veteran Aryan
Just wait until he lets China take Taiwan. Ten percent for the big guy will really go $ka-ching!$
It is absolutely just Putin. Putin the Mad Dwarf! Putin who dreams of being Czar Vladimir Velikii! No other person in Russia—certainly not the general staff, the military, the nomenklatura!—supports this crazy war.
If only some Brutus would strike down mad Julius, Russia would immediately come into compliance with our wishes.
Tell me another one.
https://charliecompany.org/2017/01/20/patrols-in-the-vietnam-war/
Now move out and draw fire, non-hacker.Replies: @Jack D
American tactics have evolved since Vietnam, but your examples are nothing like Russian “cannon meat” tactics where they send out whole squads to certain death and then when they are all dead, they send another group and so on. The closest thing would be WWI tactics.
Loach copters, while they drew light arms fire, were famously survivable in a crash. If everyone in a Loach died every time they drew fire, they wouldn’t have used this tactic:
I assume that a hit would knock out the engine and then the Loach would safely autorotate to a landing. The men flying Loaches were not kamikazes. Sure it was risky but it wasn’t certain death.
If only some Brutus would strike down mad Julius, Russia would immediately come into compliance with our wishes.
Tell me another one.Replies: @Jack D
Sure, Putin has surrounded himself with supporters, some of whom seem even more bloodthirsty than he is. But they take orders from him, not vice versa.
Here is an anecdote from a recent article:
After Stalin died, the USSR did not become a democracy, but neither was it the same. Most of Stalin’s excesses were dropped. I don’t expect post Putin Russia to become a democracy like Germany did after Hitler but I expect that they will at least tone it down a little.
Jack D also said, earlier, that "The fact that the Russian Imperialism thing keeps coming back – under the Czars, under the Communists, under the Kleptocrats, shows that it runs deep in the Russian character. It has to be burned out of them the same way that Imperialism was burned out of Germany. Otherwise, our great grandchildren will STILL be paying for it." And, "Russia is too big to be ruled democratically. It’s going to have to be broken up."
Jack, will they be toning it down, post Putin, or does it need to be burned out of them? Will they tone it down after they've been broken up into compliant statelets?Replies: @Jack D
Is there some law of Internet commentary that explains this?
Or are they being paid by the word? Rubles? I doubt it...
(Take a look above, it isn't hard to see who I'm talking about.)
Who knew Mother Russia was so lovable?Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Hunsdon
I am always amazed at how both sides go at each other hammer and tongs. Maybe I’m wrong, and the defenders of Ukraine are restrained, reasoning and rational, while the supporters of Russia are frothing lunatics? It seems from where I sit that both sides generate more noise than signal, more heat than light.
Jack D says that after Putin Russia will tone it down a little.
Jack D also said, earlier, that “The fact that the Russian Imperialism thing keeps coming back – under the Czars, under the Communists, under the Kleptocrats, shows that it runs deep in the Russian character. It has to be burned out of them the same way that Imperialism was burned out of Germany. Otherwise, our great grandchildren will STILL be paying for it.” And, “Russia is too big to be ruled democratically. It’s going to have to be broken up.”
Jack, will they be toning it down, post Putin, or does it need to be burned out of them? Will they tone it down after they’ve been broken up into compliant statelets?
Jack D also said, earlier, that "The fact that the Russian Imperialism thing keeps coming back – under the Czars, under the Communists, under the Kleptocrats, shows that it runs deep in the Russian character. It has to be burned out of them the same way that Imperialism was burned out of Germany. Otherwise, our great grandchildren will STILL be paying for it." And, "Russia is too big to be ruled democratically. It’s going to have to be broken up."
Jack, will they be toning it down, post Putin, or does it need to be burned out of them? Will they tone it down after they've been broken up into compliant statelets?Replies: @Jack D
TBH, it needs to be burned out of them. Post-Stalin, the USSR toned it down but they were still a big thorn in our side.
But, I don’t think we have the will/means/capability to do what really needs to be done in the nuclear age. We are not going to drive on Moscow they way we did on Berlin. (If Hitler had died and his deputies continued to rule, that would not have been much better than Hitler either) We haven’t even been able to get rid of the odious Kim in N. Korea or the Ayatollahs in Iran.
So probably we are going to have to live with a Russian rogue state for a long time. We are back to Kennan’s “containment”. If it falls apart of its own initiative (the USSR did in the end – it didn’t even last 40 years after Stalin died), I won’t shed any tears.
Real reason: If we don't exaggerate foreign threats the public will realize we don't need to keep spending eight hundred billion dollars a year on our bloated military. A lot of people make a very good living from the military-industrial complex and don't want that gravy train to end.Replies: @Ennui, @Jack D
I agree, but would add the psychological benefits are also a major factor. They get themselves sinecures and parasitical deals and get to tell themselves they are “serving” the greater good and the national interest. I don’t think alot of NatSec boomers (for sure) and Gen Xers (probably) are willing to give up on the prestige.
It’s hilarious that conservatives think the military are their allies. Everything can be sacrificed, except the defense budget.
This POS knows that there will be no penalty for his actions, hence the look on his face.
These people need to be made to suffer.
Real reason: If we don't exaggerate foreign threats the public will realize we don't need to keep spending eight hundred billion dollars a year on our bloated military. A lot of people make a very good living from the military-industrial complex and don't want that gravy train to end.Replies: @Ennui, @Jack D
This is a total straw man. I don’t think anyone ever said this.
However, a world in which Russia’s sphere of influence extended to the former territory of the USSR and the former East Bloc and even further areas “Finlandized” (which is what Putin dreams of) and China’s sphere of influence extended to all of Asia (which is what Xi dreams of) would be a much worse place for America.
Art Deco,
Pixo
Jonathan Ricke
Tiny Duck
John Johnson
Zero Philosopher
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Corvinus
That Would be TrollingPlus a few others I can't remember. AnotherDad is well on his way there also. The guy is pretty much a one trick pony, and he and Jack D need to exchange phone numbers and leave the rest of us out of this bromance they have going. He's a kovid koolaid drinker and a Zelensky acolyte. His childish ululations on Ukraine are like reading CNN's front page. Maybe Victoria Nuland is his niece or something.Replies: @Harry Baldwin
My “commenters to ignore” list is longer than yours, but I haven’t culled it and a lot of the names are no longer regular posters. Still, better safe than sorry!
I wish there were an option to put Jack D. on the list only when he’s discussing certain topics, like the Ukraine war or Israel. He has useful insight on other matters but, as you say, the rest of us would prefer it if he and Another Dad could play “Here We Go Round the Mulberry Bush” to their hearts’ content off-line somewhere.
Hunsdon said: Hear him! Hear him!
If you are into game theory, looting is a kind of coordination game. Each of us individually would like to go steal some sneakers and TVs and such, but know we will get arrested if we do it alone. When someone helpfully lights the Looting Bat Signal by, say, having a big protest over some trigger-happy cop wasting a black criminal, we all know when we can show up and loot in relative safety.
In the suburbs , this was less successful. They tried this kind of swarm attack at King of Prussia Mall (the largest and richest suburban mall in the area) and the cops showed up instantly and arrested a bunch of the looters. They got thru the outer doors of the Macy's but not past the inner doors to the store before the popo showed up. https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/12-arrested-looters-target-king-of-prussia-mall/After that, the looting gangs confined themselves to Philly where they knew it was safe.
Social media has made this very explicit. During the Summer of Floyd, messages would go out on Facebook or somewhere, “Let’s all meet up at the ______ Shopping Center” and 100 cars would converge on it. In Philly this would generally work – the cops did nothing. They still don’t, right up to the present day:
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/store-robbery-worker-punched/3516545/
In the suburbs , this was less successful. They tried this kind of swarm attack at King of Prussia Mall (the largest and richest suburban mall in the area) and the cops showed up instantly and arrested a bunch of the looters. They got thru the outer doors of the Macy’s but not past the inner doors to the store before the popo showed up.
https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/12-arrested-looters-target-king-of-prussia-mall/
After that, the looting gangs confined themselves to Philly where they knew it was safe.
I wish there were an option to put Jack D. on the list only when he's discussing certain topics, like the Ukraine war or Israel. He has useful insight on other matters but, as you say, the rest of us would prefer it if he and Another Dad could play "Here We Go Round the Mulberry Bush" to their hearts' content off-line somewhere.Replies: @Hunsdon
Harry Baldwin said: I wish there were an option to put Jack D. on the list only when he’s discussing certain topics, like the Ukraine war or Israel. He has useful insight on other matters . . . .
Hunsdon said: Hear him! Hear him!