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As the overseas movie market grew enormously in the 21st Century, Hollywood responded by adding more scenes in foreign languages with subtitles in English. A typical American thriller these days might have a 90 second scene with the bad guys conspiring in Russian or the government officials discussing how to help the American astronaut in Chinese or whatever.

But now Steven Spielberg has declared subtitles racist.

From CNN:

Adapted by playwright Tony Kushner, the film — described as a “reimagining” of the original — possesses a grittier edge, directly connecting gentrification of New York’s slums in the 1950s to the two gangs battling over their shrinking turf as if their lives depend on it.

1950s gentrification? Was that really a thing?

I was under the impression from Stephen Sondheim’s lyrics that the turf battle in NYC was instead due to Malthusian population pressures in Puerto Rico spilling over to the mainland:

Always the hurricanes blowing,
Always the population growing …

Rosalie: Hundreds of flowers in full bloom.
Anita: Hundreds of people in each room! …

R: I’ll give my cousins a free ride.
A: How you get all of them inside?

By the way, judging from “America” and “Officer Krupke” (“I’m depraved on account of I’m deprived”), will the late Sondheim eventually get cancelled for being a closet conservative? (And here’s Mark Steyn’s analysis of the rare Sondheim song with a catchy tune “Send In the Clowns.”)

CNN goes on:

The casting and subtle touches, like not subtitling the Spanish dialogue, also possess considerably more cultural authenticity than a period where non-Latinx actors would be cast in pivotal roles.

What could be more culturally authentic than the word “Latinx?”

Anyway, the point of translating more of Arthur Laurents’ dialogue into Spanish and then not adding subtitles that Otherize Spanish-speakers is to show that English only-speakers don’t own America anymore and should therefore be unable to listen in to the Sharks’ side of the dispute with the Jets. You are just supposed to assume that they, being nonwhite, have the better of the argument.

On the other hand, Spielberg, being a master showman, also rushes to assure English-only audiences that even though there are no subtitles, they’ll still be able to understand the Spanglish just fine, what with how much Puerto Ricans wave their hands around and mug shamelessly for the camera. Or something.

Interestingly, Spielberg apparently is not making the mistake of a 2009 Broadway revival of West Side Story that commissioned Lin-Manuel Miranda to translate two of Sondheim’s lyrics, “I Feel Pretty” and “A Boy Like That,” into Spanish, only to give up on the experiment in mid-run. Have you looked at the price of Broadway tickets? Not a lot of Spanish-speakers can afford them.

On the other hand, Hispanics buy a lot of movie tickets.

On the other other hand, my impression from going to the movies frequently in the heart of the Van Nuys barrio (at the Plant 16 complex that Tom Selleck’s family built and used Tom’s popularity with the cops to get an LAPD police facility to co-locate in their parking lot), which I suspect Mr. Spielberg doesn’t do, is that Mexican-American youth find Spanish in movies to be uncool. Sure, they’ll take their grandmother to a Eugenio Derbez comedy in Spanish, but Robert Downey Jr. rattling off wisecracks in English as Tony Stark in a Marvel Avengers movie is their favorite.

Subtitles (or, to be precise, supertitles) have done a lot to preserve the popularity of opera over the last generation. For example, the low cost Pacific Opera Project in Los Angeles frequently puts on operas like The Barber of Seville and La Boheme in the original Italian, the language that Rossini and Puccini wrote so well for, but fills the English supertitles with hilarious jokes about contemporary SoCal.

But this genial recent Silver Age of opera revivals is under threat from Wokeness. POP’s recent production of Madame Butterfly at the Japanese cultural center in Little Tokyo featured Pinkerton singing in English and Cio-Cio-San singing in Japanese, but it would probably have been better letting them sing in the original Italian, as unrealistic as that was.

From Slash Film:

Here’s Why Movie Dialogue Has Gotten More Difficult To Understand (And Three Ways To Fix It)

BY BEN PEARSON/NOV. 30, 2021

Reason Number One is director Christopher Nolan who has long been at war against intelligible dialog. Another is mumbly actor Tom Hardy, who played in Nolan’s Dark Knight Rises, Inception, and Dunkirk.

More systemic problems:

Mangini says that in the old days, “you could count on an actor’s theatricality to deliver a line to the back seats.” But acting styles have changed so dramatically over the years that it has become much more difficult to capture great sound on the set. …

Movies have become more visually exciting. And because of that, it is less likely that you’re going to be allowed to put that boom mic right where the actor is, because it’s probably going to drop a shadow because it’s in front of a light that the camera team insists has to exist to get the perfect look of the shot. So [the visuals have] taken precedence over what we hear.” …

The anonymous sound pro also pointed to what they view as an increase in the amount of music in modern movies compared to older films, bemoaning directors’ over-reliance on music as “pushing emotion” on audiences and the way music and dialogue are forced to jostle for prominence in the mix.”

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  1. Does anybody give a flip about Puerto Ricans anymore? Does “anybody” give a flip about latinos/hispanics? Yeah, they have the numbers, but less traction than they had in the 50’s – 80’s.

    A clever write should create a script about the seething, hostile dynamics between whites, hindus and asians within contemporary, elite corporate, hi-social america.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Daniel H

    Not to mention that 4th generation Puerto Ricans don't speak Spanish either.

    , @Colin Wright
    @Daniel H

    'Does anybody give a flip about Puerto Ricans anymore? Does “anybody” give a flip about latinos/hispanics? Yeah, they have the numbers, but less traction than they had in the 50’s – 80’s...'

    That suggested something to me.

    Indeed, Hispanics remain only a token presence in politics -- but blacks aren't.

    I wonder if this is connected to the considerable racial hostility between blacks and Hispanics. Are blacks shutting Hispanics out?

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Daniel H

    A good movie would discuss the fighting between blacks and mexicans.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Daniel H

    They could reboot West Side Story as "South Central Story." It would be set in LA and would tell the story of the Hispanic gangs keeping Blacks (and would-be gentrifying Whites) out of their neighborhoods. Singing, dancing, drug dealing, and murder. It writes itself.

  2. Spielberg’s the racist. He should have done the modern thing with adaptations and made the Jets Black. They could sing the Sondheim lyrics to a hip-hop background. A win win for diversity, inclusion equity.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Skyler the Weird

    After all, what did Bernstein's melodies contribute to "West Side Story?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SQ4ogstDVE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyofWTw0bqY

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Good Vibes, @james wilson, @Skyler the Weird

    , @AnotherDad
    @Skyler the Weird


    Spielberg’s the racist. He should have done the modern thing with adaptations and made the Jets Black.
     
    Obviously.

    If Spielberg, wanted to tap some actual truth and generate a little frisson, he'd remake it as "Compton Side Story" (or "South Side Story" or something) and have black and Mexican gangs battling it out for control of a Los Angeles neighborhood.

    I'll grant you drive-bys may not choreograph as well as a knife fight, but at least it would be about something real.

    But suffice it to say that story isn't the sort of story telling Spielberg is interested in.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Ray P

    , @Colin Wright
    @Skyler the Weird

    'Spielberg’s the racist. He should have done the modern thing with adaptations and made the Jets Black. They could sing the Sondheim lyrics to a hip-hop background. A win win for diversity, inclusion equity.'

    You could even have the blacks gang-rape a white co-ed from Columbia. Urinate on her at the end and then leave her bleeding and dying on the concrete. Really grind it in the face of the Man!

  3. “On the other other hand,”

    The correct nerd-speak phrase for this ideation is “on the gripping hand.” Just so ya know.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Obviously, I'm a huge fan of Pournelle and Niven, going back to my regret that for scheduling reasons I couldn't accept Jerry's son's invitation to go with the family to attend the 1976 science fiction convention at which Robert Heinlein was presented the Lifetime Achievement award.

    But my impression is the sequel to "The Mote in God's Eye" that featured "on the gripping hand" was inferior Niven and Pournelle.

    Replies: @Rob, @Danindc, @Good Vibes, @cthulhu, @SunBakedSuburb, @Clyde

    , @Ralph L
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    The correct nerd-speak phrase for this ideation is “on the gripping hand.”

    Or wanking hand.

    On newer streaming shows, the music is much louder than the dialogue.

    Replies: @El Dato

  4. On Steve’s question of whether people know the difference between Seth Rogan and Joe Rogan.

    Uh yes. Seth and Sarah Silverman put out an anti-White male Santa movie.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    If your looking for any signs of hope for humanity this holiday season, check out the comments on HBOMax’s Santa Inc Facebook page (unless of course it’s been scrubbed by the time you get to it).
    https://fb.watch/9FSAy-Aj9L/

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Escher, @Lurker

    , @AndrewR
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    The YouTube comments are gold. But of course they're being censored, and the usual suspects are kvetching.

    , @Barnard
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Ramzpaul put a video arguing this was produced in an effort to invite a backlash against it so they could make charges of Anti-Semitism. This column by Jewish actor Joshua Malina seemed to appear out of the blue in the Atlantic this week, arguing Hollywood should cancel Mel Gibson. Where I live there was a local report in the about Anti-Semitism on the rise with the only examples being a couple of stickers being left somewhere. The question I have is, why do all this now, is the ADL hurting for donations?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/12/mel-gibson-anti-semitism/620873/

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @Fidelios Automata
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    I'd still do Silverman given the chance. But I wouldn't enjoy it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @AnotherDad
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Obnoxious Jews taking shots at "evil", "oppressive", "boring", "privileged", "stupid", "racist", "white bread" ...
    ...
    ...
    deplorable, gun toting, pickup driving gentiles like me... just makes me want to go out and buy a pickup to go with my shotgun.

    Seriously, this is like the sun coming up in the East. What else is new?


    Again: There's no excuse anymore. Israel exists now. If you have contempt for us, go live among your own people. Any other choice is simply bad character.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    , @Clyde
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Very good vid. Thanks for posting

    , @Jack D
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    Seth and Sarah Silverman put out an anti-White male Santa movie.
     
    As far as I can tell, they are the voice actors in a cartoon. The last time I checked, actors read from a script written by others and do not "put out" movies (or TV series - Santa Inc. is not a movie).

    The person most responsible for Santa Inc. is one Alexandra Rushfield. I really don't know where Alexandra rates on the Jew scale nor is it really relevant whether her ancestors arrived on the Mayflower or at Ellis Island. Alexandra is best known for "Parks and Recreation". This show is not my cup of tea but enough people liked it for it to be a hit. Santa Inc. has the makings of a flop - this is how Hollywood goes - you win some and you lose some. If you win one, people will think that you know the secret of hit making and will throw money at you. If you lose enough in a row, no one will give you money anymore.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @D. K.

  5. Lin Manuel also tried the ‘authenticity’ trick to beat the ‘West Side Story’ remake to the punch with his own pseudo-remake ‘In The Heights’, what’s interesting to me is that since it’s made by a guy with an immigrant chip on his shoulder, he gives the characters his. motivation and perspective. Instead it flopped hard and now ‘Hamilton’ is going to be declared racist and replaced with the new ‘Juneteenth’ musical.

    The central conflict is some law that will deport all the illegal immigrants and the main character’s quest to simultaneously get some legal stay or citizenship and to protest it.

    There’s a lot of status-obsessed language ‘dignity’ etc. I wonder if it was supposed to be mood music for amnesty? Not that it did very well. Images of New York barrios and public pools etc with no non-Caribbeans did not excite joy in the hearts of white and black America nor did it with ‘Latinx’ audiences who mostly aren’t Dominican or Puerto Rican despite thinking of the MBAs at Disney. (Pro tip, if you want people to sympathise with immigrants never show them monopolising public spaces or lots of children. Manuel, being an immigrant-supremecist, doesn’t comprehend this.)

    I think it’s because they’ve become so emboldened they don’t realise you’re supposed to wrap the awk shucks illegal immigrant or ‘DREAMER’ in an American flag and just pretend that they’re exactly like any other young American with no alternative identity. But this movie looks like an immigration protest in LA or NYC, lots of Latin American flags that they don’t realise doesn’t send the right message but they can’t help themselves. You’re self-depicting yourself as an aggressive encroaching foreign force that engages in ethnic nepotism. In another era that would be called an invasion.

    Even the weird Spanish accent they put on the name ‘Washington Heights’ as though it was once and forever a Puerto Rican and Dominican enclave despite the name giving the game away. It’s all so tiresome. ‘It’s a story about a block that was disappearing’. No I’m pretty sure the buildings could remain and be repopulated without complaint. Why aren’t Americans grateful? If Puerto Ricans weren’t around all those brownstones in New York would be rotting in the fields. It’s sad, but what young American dreams of living in New York city?

    “You live by the rules”. Just not the immigration rules…

    ‘DR, PR, we’re not stoppin’.

    I just love the rap lyrics ‘We came to working and to live’, yes, at the expense of Americans, that’s the problem fam. The guy who wants immigration restrictions is looking for a better life for himself and his children too.

    • Thanks: Rob, Hangnail Hans, El Dato
    • Replies: @Elmer T. Jones
    @Altai

    As an accomplished ballroom dancer this trailer makes me feel profoundly insulted. Furthermore there are no bright yellow track suits with red trim, so it's depiction of Puerto Ricans is inauthentic and frankly, racist.

    , @Anon7
    @Altai

    I saw In the Heights; my overwhelming feeling about fifteen minutes in, just listening to the music, was that I was watching a Latino version of La La Land. Other impressions include the words "formulaic" and "meh".

    I laughed when I saw that Spielberg was putting out a West Side Story remake; I guess if you want to squeeze a few more shekalim out of that intellectual property, now's the time.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    , @Daniel H
    @Altai

    I can remember a time when Washington Heights was mostly white.

    The reality of the "Heights" today?

    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-20191011-qumo25l3hfallllnzeulzpt7yi-story.html

  6. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "On the other other hand,"

    The correct nerd-speak phrase for this ideation is "on the gripping hand." Just so ya know.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ralph L

    Obviously, I’m a huge fan of Pournelle and Niven, going back to my regret that for scheduling reasons I couldn’t accept Jerry’s son’s invitation to go with the family to attend the 1976 science fiction convention at which Robert Heinlein was presented the Lifetime Achievement award.

    But my impression is the sequel to “The Mote in God’s Eye” that featured “on the gripping hand” was inferior Niven and Pournelle.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Steve Sailer

    Jerry Pournelle’s daughter, Jennifer Pournelle, wrote a sequel to Mote and Gripping Hand titled Outies.

    It was very good. She’s a better writer than her father ever was. She is an archeology/anthropology prof at, I want to say University of Maryland, but I don’t know for sure, and I am too lazy to Google it. She was in military intelligence in Iraq before that. She brings archeology, anthropology, and experience in low-grade conflict, including the eternal low-grade conflict in academia to the late CoDominium Universe.

    It’s a better novel than either Mote or Gripping Hand. ‘Course ‘twould not exist without them, so I would not say it’s better science-fiction.

    I wish it had been a longer book. I also hope she has a few more novels in her.

    I suggest you give it a read.

    , @Danindc
    @Steve Sailer

    What was the scheduling conflict? Was it worth it?

    , @Good Vibes
    @Steve Sailer

    A great video to watch is Jerry Pernell and Dirk Pearson on Tom Snyder's tomorrow's show. It's still up on youtube.

    This was done about 1979. A real thrill. They were predicting a lot of stuff correctly. Most of the vitamin dreams of Life extension haven't come true.

    https://youtu.be/8U-Oxhb8SK4 no

    , @cthulhu
    @Steve Sailer

    The “Mote” sequel, titled “The Gripping Hand”, is uneven but overall worthwhile after a very slow and borderline pointless opening few chapters. Nowhere near as good as the original though.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Steve Sailer

    Pournelle's Janissaries, the first book, was tailor-made for boys aged 12 and up.

    , @Clyde
    @Steve Sailer

    Scheduling reasons... they were killers back in 1975-6, Did Lee Iaccoca even have that new midget car out?

  7. @Skyler the Weird
    Spielberg's the racist. He should have done the modern thing with adaptations and made the Jets Black. They could sing the Sondheim lyrics to a hip-hop background. A win win for diversity, inclusion equity.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright

    After all, what did Bernstein’s melodies contribute to “West Side Story?”

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Inorite? After all, what did Hamilton ever contribute to the founding of the nation?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Good Vibes
    @Steve Sailer

    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I've never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.

    It's a big deal to the NYC theater crowd I take it. But I just hang out with middle and working class folks. Maybe some upper middle class sometimes. Never heard it mentioned.

    Replies: @D. K., @ScarletNumber, @Daniel H, @PhysicistDave, @Wilkey

    , @james wilson
    @Steve Sailer

    No one has ever given credit to Beethoven for the opening of "Somewhere". Leonard B. played that adagio often enough to remember where it came from. On the other end of the ego world Rachmaninoff gave credit to Pagannini where none was due for the fabulous melody in Rhapsody, which is Pagannini played upside down.

    , @Skyler the Weird
    @Steve Sailer

    Had Sondheim fixed on the brain since he just died. I guess he didn't do South Pacific either

  8. @Daniel H
    Does anybody give a flip about Puerto Ricans anymore? Does "anybody" give a flip about latinos/hispanics? Yeah, they have the numbers, but less traction than they had in the 50's - 80's.

    A clever write should create a script about the seething, hostile dynamics between whites, hindus and asians within contemporary, elite corporate, hi-social america.

    Replies: @BB753, @Colin Wright, @Father O'Hara, @Hypnotoad666

    Not to mention that 4th generation Puerto Ricans don’t speak Spanish either.

  9. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    On Steve's question of whether people know the difference between Seth Rogan and Joe Rogan.

    Uh yes. Seth and Sarah Silverman put out an anti-White male Santa movie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PQruIfBVSs

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @AndrewR, @Barnard, @Fidelios Automata, @AnotherDad, @Clyde, @Jack D

    If your looking for any signs of hope for humanity this holiday season, check out the comments on HBOMax’s Santa Inc Facebook page (unless of course it’s been scrubbed by the time you get to it).
    https://fb.watch/9FSAy-Aj9L/

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    I refuse to sign up for Facebook and they don't let you look nowadays without doing so. I wish that commenters could post screenshots here. Can you give us a sample?

    As a Jew, I'm sick of Sarah Silverman's constant goy-baiting, and I enjoy seeing her being taken down. Rogen as well, but I'm not aware that he's made an actual career of goy-baiting.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Malcolm X-Lax

    , @Escher
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Don’t have and don’t want a Facebook account.

    This is very encouraging though.

    https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/santa-inc-seth-rogen-lowest-rated-tv-show

    Check out the Tweet from Rogen attributing the backlash to (you guessed right) White supremacists

    https://twitter.com/Sethrogen/status/1466565919023403012?

    , @Lurker
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Let's not forget it's IMDb page either:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12286260/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    More importantly it's rating page:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12286260/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    It's getting hammered.

    If you've got an IMDb account, you know what to do. And if you don't have one, then go set one up now. And then do what needs to be done.

  10. Semi related: For the past few years, my wife and many of her female friends insist on watching any TV show or movie with the English subtitles on. Apparently this is becoming more popular, especially with women, who seem to be having more difficulty understanding the dialog of the most modern delivery of mostly improper, urbanized and heavily accented English.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mike Tre

    People with babies who aren't sleeping well yet might want to do this too.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, I watch everyhing except sports in subtitle. The dialogue in a movie or show is important, the commentary in sports is ususlly the "Color" commentator's way of showing you he knows more than you could ever understand about the game. Worst ever was John Gruden. What is enlightening is if you wait for the movie credits, I do, and the lyrics to a rap song is running with the scroll down, the words are vile.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Ron Mexico, @Paperback Writer

    , @AndrewR
    @Mike Tre

    I always use subtitles so that I can be sure what was said. I am a quick reader so I don't usually miss much else that's going on on the screen.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Mike Tre

    I don't think this is gendered behavior, as I always watch television with the closed captioning on.

    , @SafeNow
    @Mike Tre


    seem to be having more difficulty understanding the dialog of the most modern delivery of mostly improper, urbanized and heavily accented English.
     
    My voicemail message includes: “Please speak slowly and carefully, as English is not my first language.”

    Actually, English IS my first language. Merely saying “please speak slowly and carefully” does not work. For one thing, it insults the caller by implying he does not speak well. It is better to place the onus on myself. Further, I receive heightened solicitude by making myself an other.
  11. @Steve Sailer
    @Skyler the Weird

    After all, what did Bernstein's melodies contribute to "West Side Story?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SQ4ogstDVE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyofWTw0bqY

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Good Vibes, @james wilson, @Skyler the Weird

    Inorite? After all, what did Hamilton ever contribute to the founding of the nation?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mike Tre

    Inorite? After all, what did Hamilton ever contribute to the founding of the nation?

    He pretty much came up with everything and then lost a rap off against Aaron Burr.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Mike Tre


    After all, what did Hamilton ever contribute to the founding of the nation?
     
    The most important Hamilton is not Alexander, but Andrew, whose legacy we will increasingly need to turn to.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Andrew-Hamilton
    https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Peter-Zenger

    And who was the "victim" of Zenger's "libel"? Why-- 👁🐐🐑🎀-- Bill Cosby!

    https://rockthewesternworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Wimbit-viceroyCosby.jpg

  12. @Steve Sailer
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Obviously, I'm a huge fan of Pournelle and Niven, going back to my regret that for scheduling reasons I couldn't accept Jerry's son's invitation to go with the family to attend the 1976 science fiction convention at which Robert Heinlein was presented the Lifetime Achievement award.

    But my impression is the sequel to "The Mote in God's Eye" that featured "on the gripping hand" was inferior Niven and Pournelle.

    Replies: @Rob, @Danindc, @Good Vibes, @cthulhu, @SunBakedSuburb, @Clyde

    Jerry Pournelle’s daughter, Jennifer Pournelle, wrote a sequel to Mote and Gripping Hand titled Outies.

    It was very good. She’s a better writer than her father ever was. She is an archeology/anthropology prof at, I want to say University of Maryland, but I don’t know for sure, and I am too lazy to Google it. She was in military intelligence in Iraq before that. She brings archeology, anthropology, and experience in low-grade conflict, including the eternal low-grade conflict in academia to the late CoDominium Universe.

    It’s a better novel than either Mote or Gripping Hand. ‘Course ‘twould not exist without them, so I would not say it’s better science-fiction.

    I wish it had been a longer book. I also hope she has a few more novels in her.

    I suggest you give it a read.

    • Thanks: El Dato, mc23
  13. Steve, if you could find 30-40 more ways to send you money I would give more…are you sure you’ve covered your bases?

  14. @Steve Sailer
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Obviously, I'm a huge fan of Pournelle and Niven, going back to my regret that for scheduling reasons I couldn't accept Jerry's son's invitation to go with the family to attend the 1976 science fiction convention at which Robert Heinlein was presented the Lifetime Achievement award.

    But my impression is the sequel to "The Mote in God's Eye" that featured "on the gripping hand" was inferior Niven and Pournelle.

    Replies: @Rob, @Danindc, @Good Vibes, @cthulhu, @SunBakedSuburb, @Clyde

    What was the scheduling conflict? Was it worth it?

  15. @Altai
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0CL-ZSuCrQ

    Lin Manuel also tried the 'authenticity' trick to beat the 'West Side Story' remake to the punch with his own pseudo-remake 'In The Heights', what's interesting to me is that since it's made by a guy with an immigrant chip on his shoulder, he gives the characters his. motivation and perspective. Instead it flopped hard and now 'Hamilton' is going to be declared racist and replaced with the new 'Juneteenth' musical.

    The central conflict is some law that will deport all the illegal immigrants and the main character's quest to simultaneously get some legal stay or citizenship and to protest it.

    There's a lot of status-obsessed language 'dignity' etc. I wonder if it was supposed to be mood music for amnesty? Not that it did very well. Images of New York barrios and public pools etc with no non-Caribbeans did not excite joy in the hearts of white and black America nor did it with 'Latinx' audiences who mostly aren't Dominican or Puerto Rican despite thinking of the MBAs at Disney. (Pro tip, if you want people to sympathise with immigrants never show them monopolising public spaces or lots of children. Manuel, being an immigrant-supremecist, doesn't comprehend this.)

    I think it's because they've become so emboldened they don't realise you're supposed to wrap the awk shucks illegal immigrant or 'DREAMER' in an American flag and just pretend that they're exactly like any other young American with no alternative identity. But this movie looks like an immigration protest in LA or NYC, lots of Latin American flags that they don't realise doesn't send the right message but they can't help themselves. You're self-depicting yourself as an aggressive encroaching foreign force that engages in ethnic nepotism. In another era that would be called an invasion.

    Even the weird Spanish accent they put on the name ‘Washington Heights’ as though it was once and forever a Puerto Rican and Dominican enclave despite the name giving the game away. It’s all so tiresome. ‘It’s a story about a block that was disappearing’. No I’m pretty sure the buildings could remain and be repopulated without complaint. Why aren’t Americans grateful? If Puerto Ricans weren’t around all those brownstones in New York would be rotting in the fields. It’s sad, but what young American dreams of living in New York city?

    “You live by the rules”. Just not the immigration rules…

    ‘DR, PR, we’re not stoppin’.

    I just love the rap lyrics ‘We came to working and to live’, yes, at the expense of Americans, that’s the problem fam. The guy who wants immigration restrictions is looking for a better life for himself and his children too.

    Replies: @Elmer T. Jones, @Anon7, @Daniel H

    As an accomplished ballroom dancer this trailer makes me feel profoundly insulted. Furthermore there are no bright yellow track suits with red trim, so it’s depiction of Puerto Ricans is inauthentic and frankly, racist.

  16. The casting and subtle touches, like not subtitling the Spanish dialogue, also possess considerably more cultural authenticity than a period where non-Latinx actors would be cast in pivotal roles.

    If you don’t want to have the young Natalie Wood on your team, there’s something wrong with your penis.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    That should be penix, Dad. You don't know the gender of the person pointing it! Get with the program.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Harry Baldwin

    , @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    The Russian Wood was a stunning beauty but not at all convincing as a Puerto Rican. Then again, Omar Sharif was not very convincing as a Russian either.

    Old Hollywood was more interested in screen magnetism than in authenticity. Maybe this was not completely dumb. One of the reasons that In The Heights flopped at the box office was a lack of big name stars. (Mexican, not PR or DR, so not very authentic anyway) actress Melissa Barrera, who was the romantic interest, is cute enough (although "People of Color" are, oddly enough, not very colorful - they tend toward everything being brown) but nobody says, "Let's go to the Multiplex to catch that latest Melissa Barrera pic."

    And in the year of Floyd, Miranda caught flak for not making his stars black enough. It's true that he kind of lightened up his cast vs. the way that real Dominicans look, which is mostly blackish. Although the Spanish kept things whiter than across the border in Haiti or in the English Caribbean for that matter.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  17. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    On Steve's question of whether people know the difference between Seth Rogan and Joe Rogan.

    Uh yes. Seth and Sarah Silverman put out an anti-White male Santa movie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PQruIfBVSs

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @AndrewR, @Barnard, @Fidelios Automata, @AnotherDad, @Clyde, @Jack D

    The YouTube comments are gold. But of course they’re being censored, and the usual suspects are kvetching.

  18. If you think that’s bad (whatever Spielberg is on about), try watching The Dirty Dozen in a hotel room in Germany on a 9″ diagonal screen black & white TV, in the early 2000’s no less! I don’t know if the original had the Germans in the bunker with the party going on speaking German with subtitles or just English, but this version had no subtitles and everyone speaking German.

    It was in black & white, see, so the army uniforms didn’t look much different. The German uniforms were a little bit darker, but did I mention this was a 9″ diagonal TV? I could tell who Telly Savalas was and maybe Clint Eastwood, if he was even in this one. Otherwise, how are you supposed to know what the heck is going on, even if you have seen it 2 or 3 times before?!

    Oh, Planet of the Apes was fun too. The apes were speaking German! The only real learning experience was the continual “call these girls” commercials which would repeat those pairs-of-2 8-digit phone numbers over and over. “null neun, neun fünf, null sieben, acht vier, “null neun, neun fünf, null sieben, acht vier, null neun, neun fünf, null sieben, acht vier”, with girls who looked like Nina of “neun und neunzig luft balloons” fame.

    … better than paying for Rosetta Stone.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That would be Kelly's Heroes. I remember my dad buying a 13" B&W at Clark's Drugs in Mission Viejo in 1980 so I could watch The Dukes of Hazzard and Lakers games with Chick Hearn on (KTLA?). My dad never watched the tube (turns out he knew best), so I think my mom splurged and bought a larger color tv. Thanks for bringing back those great memories of B&W.

    , @El Dato
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That's the real DDR feel right there.

  19. @AnotherDad

    The casting and subtle touches, like not subtitling the Spanish dialogue, also possess considerably more cultural authenticity than a period where non-Latinx actors would be cast in pivotal roles.
     
    If you don't want to have the young Natalie Wood on your team, there's something wrong with your penis.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jack D

    That should be penix, Dad. You don’t know the gender of the person pointing it! Get with the program.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Achmed E. Newman

    GenderX

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That should be penix, Dad.

    As soon as I read this I knew it's inevitable. Or is it already out there and I just hadn't heard it yet?

  20. @Mike Tre
    Semi related: For the past few years, my wife and many of her female friends insist on watching any TV show or movie with the English subtitles on. Apparently this is becoming more popular, especially with women, who seem to be having more difficulty understanding the dialog of the most modern delivery of mostly improper, urbanized and heavily accented English.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @AndrewR, @ScarletNumber, @SafeNow

    People with babies who aren’t sleeping well yet might want to do this too.

  21. @Steve Sailer
    @Skyler the Weird

    After all, what did Bernstein's melodies contribute to "West Side Story?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SQ4ogstDVE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyofWTw0bqY

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Good Vibes, @james wilson, @Skyler the Weird

    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.

    It’s a big deal to the NYC theater crowd I take it. But I just hang out with middle and working class folks. Maybe some upper middle class sometimes. Never heard it mentioned.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Good Vibes

    "Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.

    "It’s a big deal to the NYC theater crowd I take it. But I just hang out with middle and working class folks. Maybe some upper middle class sometimes. Never heard it mentioned."

    ***

    West Side Story is a 1961 American musical romantic drama film directed by Robert Wise and Jerome Robbins. With a screenplay by Ernest Lehman, the film is an adaptation of the 1957 Broadway musical of the same name, which in turn was inspired by Shakespeare's play Romeo and Juliet. It stars Natalie Wood, Richard Beymer, Russ Tamblyn, Rita Moreno, and George Chakiris, and was photographed by Daniel L. Fapp in Super Panavision 70. The music was composed by Leonard Bernstein, with lyrics by Stephen Sondheim.

    Released on October 18, 1961, through United Artists, the film received high praise from critics and viewers, and became the highest-grossing film of 1961. It was nominated for 11 Academy Awards and won 10, including Best Picture (in addition to a special award for Robbins), becoming the record holder for the most wins for a musical. West Side Story is regarded as one of the greatest musical films of all time. The film has been deemed "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" by the Library of Congress and was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry in 1997.[5] A new film adaptation of the same name by Steven Spielberg is set to be released on December 10, 2021.

    ***

    West Side Story was a commercial success upon its release. It became the highest-grossing film of 1961, earning rentals of $19,645,000 in the United States and Canada. It remained the highest-grossing musical film of all-time[34] until the release of The Sound of Music in 1965. The film grossed $44.1 million worldwide ($382 million in 2020). Because of profit participation, United Artists earned a profit of only $2.5 million on the film ($22 million in 2020).[35]

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Story_(1961_film)

    ***

    West Side Story is the soundtrack album to the 1961 film West Side Story, featuring music by Leonard Bernstein and lyrics by Stephen Sondheim. Released in 1961, the soundtrack spent 54 weeks at No. 1 on Billboard's album charts, giving it the longest run at No. 1 of any album in history,[2] although some lists instead credit Michael Jackson's Thriller, on the grounds that West Side Story was listed on a chart for stereo albums only at a time when many albums were recorded in mono.[3] In 1962, it won a Grammy award for "Best Sound Track Album – Original Cast." In the United States, it was the best-selling album of the 1960s,[4] certifying three times platinum by the RIAA on November 21, 1986.

    Though the album was released just a few years after the release of the original broadway cast recording, it is according to musical theater historian Ethan Mordden preferred by some to the earlier version both sentimentally, as the film succeeded in establishing the musical as a "popular masterpiece", and musically, as it contains "beefier orchestration".[5]

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Story_(1961_soundtrack)

    One of my older siblings bought the movie-soundtrack album, and it was very popular in our very blue-collar home, on the West Side of Gary, Indiana.

    When the 1961 film made its belated network-television debut, about a decade after its original theatrical release, when I was a high-school underclassman, it was considered a very big deal.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Steve Sailer

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Good Vibes


    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.
     
    Yes, of course they do. You are revealing your ignorance here.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Good Vibes

    , @Daniel H
    @Good Vibes


    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.
     
    I can't hum a single melody or recite a single lyrical line from West Side story.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jack D, @Johann Ricke

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Good Vibes

    Good Vibes asked:


    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.
     
    Well... which musicals do you rate as being in a much higher class?

    Or maybe you just do not like Broadway musicals?

    Personally, I put it up there with Oklahoma!, The Music Man, etc.

    And, yes, I confess: I am still a fan of The Sound of Music.

    Replies: @Good Vibes

    , @Wilkey
    @Good Vibes


    Do actual people like the songs in West side story?
     
    Eh?

    If “Maria” or “Tonight” don’t immediately move you to commit a sexual indiscretion on the nearest available member of the opposite sex, then you need to get your testosterone levels checked.
  22. Well, boogers, I think think the Android ate my previous comment. (About watching Kurosawa without subtitles.)

    Isn’t it interesting though, how these Lefty shitstains always come up with some self aggrandizing reason to favor less communication over more?

  23. “1950s gentrification? Was that really a thing?”

    Yes, it was already getting started with the work of Jane Jacobs in NYC. She opposed urban renewal in Harlem and tried to get older buildings and houses cleaned up and fixed for existing populations instead of being ripped down for projects. I’m over-simplifying, but current gentrification was an unintended consequence of her work.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Red Pill Angel

    Of course, 40 years before that, in 1910, Harlem was 90% White. In 1900 NYC, as a whole, was 99% White. (Harlem was still 30% White in 1930).

    Knigbos didn't build one building in Harlem,(which is named for a city in the Netherlands) and were just parasites and interlopers.

    Replies: @Red Pill Angel

  24. @Steve Sailer
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Obviously, I'm a huge fan of Pournelle and Niven, going back to my regret that for scheduling reasons I couldn't accept Jerry's son's invitation to go with the family to attend the 1976 science fiction convention at which Robert Heinlein was presented the Lifetime Achievement award.

    But my impression is the sequel to "The Mote in God's Eye" that featured "on the gripping hand" was inferior Niven and Pournelle.

    Replies: @Rob, @Danindc, @Good Vibes, @cthulhu, @SunBakedSuburb, @Clyde

    A great video to watch is Jerry Pernell and Dirk Pearson on Tom Snyder’s tomorrow’s show. It’s still up on youtube.

    This was done about 1979. A real thrill. They were predicting a lot of stuff correctly. Most of the vitamin dreams of Life extension haven’t come true.

    no

  25. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    That should be penix, Dad. You don't know the gender of the person pointing it! Get with the program.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Harry Baldwin

    GenderX

  26. Checks in the mail, chief.

    Good to see you looking so good.

    Any tips on how to see Jackson’s Beatles thing without signing up for Disney?

  27. I think the “gentrification” referred to is when NYC tore down a chunk of the West Side to put up Lincoln Center, so affluent Jews and homosexuals could go to the symphony and opera. I’m sure Kushner and his “husband” Mark Harris have been there many times. “Slum clearance” is a better term.

  28. “1950s gentrification? Was that really a thing?”

    Well actually, the 1950s in the NYC metropolitan area was something closer to the great replacement with great migration Blacks and Puerto Ricans/Caribbeans displacing white often Catholics. Of course the white often Catholics were moving to suburbs with detached airconditioned (lead free) houses, close proximity to amenities like civilized beaches and malls, no legacy of a century of industrial pollution, and debt free municipal balance sheets, so don’t feel too bad for them. Worth reading is Robert Caro’s biography of Robert Moses, The Power Broker that explains the details very well.

    The trailer includes an Irish pub being replaced by a Puerto Rican restaurant. The problem is, by and large, the Irish pubs restaurants ect survived, only with non Irish staff and patrons, for example Robert Kennedy Jr expected that when he visited the kitchen of that catering hall he would find the Irish immigrants of his youth, not a Palestinian refugee.

    A better way to handle it would be the Irish pub still existed, only the clientele would be random people transplanted to NYC and the kitchen staff would be 50 50 Irish and Puerto Rican. That would be a good set up for the kindly Irish owner of the pub to try unsuccessfully to act as a peace maker, and try to convince Romeo and Juliette to move to New Jersey because the schools suck in NYC.

    Not really related, but this is the end of Irish criminality in NYC. A Serb attempted to keep the “Westies” going, proving diversity is our strength. But the reality is the ethnicity of gangs was more fluid than upscale Jewish Sondheim made it out to be.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westies

  29. 1950s gentrification? Was that really a thing?

    No, of course, it wasn’t. The movie is specific to a certain part of Manhattan, the west 60s, where working class whites predominated. I don’t even think that in reality PR’s moved anywhere near there, although I could be wrong. That was just something The Three Amigos made up for dramatic purposes, and it made sense, even if it wasn’t exactly true. They had to place the story there because it was really the only large pocket of white poverty left in Manhattan.

    The area was eventually cleared to make way for Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts. There were demonstrations but they failed.

    Ironically there is an all-black/Hispanic NYCHA housing project right behind Lincoln Center, which isn’t quite as horrible as most of them, because location. It’s a dreary blot in an otherwise up and coming area.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Paperback Writer

    In Chicago gentrification started on a small scale on the Near North Side in the early '60s. In the '50s large stretches of the North Side lakefront were almost as embattled as the South Side's Hyde Park near the University of Chicago.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @LP5, @Steve Sailer

  30. I’ve been watching old re-runs of Combat!, and the German dialogue is never translated. Just like in the new W.Side Story, you know who the bad guys are because their not speaking English. (/satire)

    …connecting gentrification of New York’s slums in the 1950s to the two gangs battling over their shrinking turf as if their lives depend on it.

    1950s gentrification? Was that really a thing?

    It is if you consider the P.R.’s the gentrifiers. In 1950’s New York they pushed out the Italians from East Harlem and Polish and Russian Jews from the Lower East Side.

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @Woodsie


    I’ve been watching old re-runs of Combat!…
     
    Me, too.

    What surprised me is how adult the show actually was. The same for my other childhood favorite, Twelve O’Clock High. They were obviously written with an audience that had lived through WW2 in mind. Serious themes like cowardice and loyalty. Some episodes have no combat at all.

    How the heck I sat through them as a 2nd grader astounds me!
    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Woodsie

    For my money, Combat! was TV's greatest dramatic series.

    During its third episode, "Lost Sheep, Lost Shepherd," guest starring Jeffrey Hunter, characters speak four different languages without subtitles: English, German, French and Latin. And it works beautifully.

    The episode is about a "spoiled priest" (Hunter), a concept I'd never heard of.

    https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2021/03/watch-classic-episode-of-greatest.html

  31. The Democratic Party wants the Native White Working Class FUCKING DEAD!!!…on Lebraun James’s Plantation….

    Tucker Carlson disgusts me when he brings on Candace grifter Owens to comment on the newest BLM racial attack on Native Born White Working Class Humans…..I am really growing to hate this WASP…

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @War for Blair Mountain

    After years of reading your posts, I still haven’t figured out if your’s is a parody account, or if you are someone in need of an intervention.

  32. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    If your looking for any signs of hope for humanity this holiday season, check out the comments on HBOMax’s Santa Inc Facebook page (unless of course it’s been scrubbed by the time you get to it).
    https://fb.watch/9FSAy-Aj9L/

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Escher, @Lurker

    I refuse to sign up for Facebook and they don’t let you look nowadays without doing so. I wish that commenters could post screenshots here. Can you give us a sample?

    As a Jew, I’m sick of Sarah Silverman’s constant goy-baiting, and I enjoy seeing her being taken down. Rogen as well, but I’m not aware that he’s made an actual career of goy-baiting.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Paperback Writer

    His films have been mostly apolitical stoner comedy (this new film is a major exception), but his Twitter account is entirely goy-baiting.

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Paperback Writer

    Yeah it sucks we can’t post screenshots. But anyway, here a sample:

    “The Elf cries out in pain as he strikes you.”

    “And then for no reason whatsoever, the people of the North Pole elected Rudolf Antler.”

    “It’s really weird how Elves make up so much of the toy making industry yet are such a small percentage of the overall population of the North Pole. They also are over represented in the Santa administration and the Deep Sleigh.”

    You get the idea.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Paperback Writer

    A few years ago, I saw an interview in which Rogen is bragging that he "shit all over Christianity" in his jewish buddy comedy This Is The End. And then there was the scene from an earlier "Christmas" movie--The Night Before--in which Rogen hilariously vomits in a cathedral during Midnight Mass on Christmas Eve. Imagine a gentile-produced Holocaust comedy in which the lead character, while, say, touring the Anne Frank House, needs to use the bathroom so badly he is forced to take a shit in the attic. That's the level of hate and contempt we're dealing with here.

  33. @Mike Tre
    Semi related: For the past few years, my wife and many of her female friends insist on watching any TV show or movie with the English subtitles on. Apparently this is becoming more popular, especially with women, who seem to be having more difficulty understanding the dialog of the most modern delivery of mostly improper, urbanized and heavily accented English.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @AndrewR, @ScarletNumber, @SafeNow

    Mike, I watch everyhing except sports in subtitle. The dialogue in a movie or show is important, the commentary in sports is ususlly the “Color” commentator’s way of showing you he knows more than you could ever understand about the game. Worst ever was John Gruden. What is enlightening is if you wait for the movie credits, I do, and the lyrics to a rap song is running with the scroll down, the words are vile.

    • Agree: Paperback Writer
    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Buffalo Joe

    Gruden was at his best the last couple years he did color. He seemed to abandon the "script" that he used to follow with false over enthusiasm and instead applied his impatient and critical coach's eye to the game play as well as the poor officiating.

    Before I stopped watching the NFL altogether, I used to watch the Bears games on mute but play the call on the the local WBBM am station, that featured very good play by play by local sportscaster Jeff Joniak and very good color by by former Joliet Catholic HS*, University of Notre Dame and Chicago Bears alum Tom Thayer (who's family owns a very good restaurant in Joliet still to this day; Thayer's mom would sit in the dining room almost everyday and mingle with guests up until her death last year. She was a very sweet lady.) One of the better things about the MLB that the other pro leagues never figured out is that having a local broadcast crew do the games makes the viewing experience much better. Joe Buck and Troy Aikman are considered to be one of the best NFL broadcasting crews but they are so bad I couldn't stand to listen to them.

    *John Gruden's superbowl winning white running back Mike Alstott is also a Joliet Catholic alum.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    , @Ron Mexico
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe,
    Watch this interview with the Iron Sheik in subtitles. I think it is its own genre.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K-wEUCCvE0

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Buffalo Joe

    I think we may be among the last generation of truly quick readers.

  34. In the 1950s, Turf wars in rapidly Diversifying upper upper Manhattan (i.e. Washington Heights) resulted in a Puerto Rican gang murdering an Irish teenager, that made big news:

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0096144209351107

    The New Deal liberals were very incentivized to suppress any race-war aspects of this, and so they did.

  35. @Achmed E. Newman
    If you think that's bad (whatever Spielberg is on about), try watching The Dirty Dozen in a hotel room in Germany on a 9" diagonal screen black & white TV, in the early 2000's no less! I don't know if the original had the Germans in the bunker with the party going on speaking German with subtitles or just English, but this version had no subtitles and everyone speaking German.

    It was in black & white, see, so the army uniforms didn't look much different. The German uniforms were a little bit darker, but did I mention this was a 9" diagonal TV? I could tell who Telly Savalas was and maybe Clint Eastwood, if he was even in this one. Otherwise, how are you supposed to know what the heck is going on, even if you have seen it 2 or 3 times before?!

    Oh, Planet of the Apes was fun too. The apes were speaking German! The only real learning experience was the continual "call these girls" commercials which would repeat those pairs-of-2 8-digit phone numbers over and over. "null neun, neun fünf, null sieben, acht vier, "null neun, neun fünf, null sieben, acht vier, null neun, neun fünf, null sieben, acht vier", with girls who looked like Nina of "neun und neunzig luft balloons" fame.

    ... better than paying for Rosetta Stone.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @El Dato

    That would be Kelly’s Heroes. I remember my dad buying a 13″ B&W at Clark’s Drugs in Mission Viejo in 1980 so I could watch The Dukes of Hazzard and Lakers games with Chick Hearn on (KTLA?). My dad never watched the tube (turns out he knew best), so I think my mom splurged and bought a larger color tv. Thanks for bringing back those great memories of B&W.

  36. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    On Steve's question of whether people know the difference between Seth Rogan and Joe Rogan.

    Uh yes. Seth and Sarah Silverman put out an anti-White male Santa movie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PQruIfBVSs

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @AndrewR, @Barnard, @Fidelios Automata, @AnotherDad, @Clyde, @Jack D

    Ramzpaul put a video arguing this was produced in an effort to invite a backlash against it so they could make charges of Anti-Semitism. This column by Jewish actor Joshua Malina seemed to appear out of the blue in the Atlantic this week, arguing Hollywood should cancel Mel Gibson. Where I live there was a local report in the about Anti-Semitism on the rise with the only examples being a couple of stickers being left somewhere. The question I have is, why do all this now, is the ADL hurting for donations?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/12/mel-gibson-anti-semitism/620873/

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Barnard

    ADL's financial statements are to be finalized?

    There was also a "white supremacist" demonstration in DC which looked suspiciously engineered from whole cloth and DNC volunteers.

    SPLC and ADL are on the case!

    https://twitter.com/AndreaMcCarren/status/1467319659787689989

  37. @Skyler the Weird
    Spielberg's the racist. He should have done the modern thing with adaptations and made the Jets Black. They could sing the Sondheim lyrics to a hip-hop background. A win win for diversity, inclusion equity.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright

    Spielberg’s the racist. He should have done the modern thing with adaptations and made the Jets Black.

    Obviously.

    If Spielberg, wanted to tap some actual truth and generate a little frisson, he’d remake it as “Compton Side Story” (or “South Side Story” or something) and have black and Mexican gangs battling it out for control of a Los Angeles neighborhood.

    I’ll grant you drive-bys may not choreograph as well as a knife fight, but at least it would be about something real.

    But suffice it to say that story isn’t the sort of story telling Spielberg is interested in.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @AnotherDad

    It has been said there are only two things a movie director has in mind to do: Tell a story or grind an axe.

    , @Ray P
    @AnotherDad

    Spielberg should have made it West Bank Story: the orthodox Jewish settler gang vs. the Palestinian Arab gang. "Everyone's coming to Israel/Everyone's coming to Israel".

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

  38. @Paperback Writer

    1950s gentrification? Was that really a thing?
     
    No, of course, it wasn't. The movie is specific to a certain part of Manhattan, the west 60s, where working class whites predominated. I don't even think that in reality PR's moved anywhere near there, although I could be wrong. That was just something The Three Amigos made up for dramatic purposes, and it made sense, even if it wasn't exactly true. They had to place the story there because it was really the only large pocket of white poverty left in Manhattan.

    The area was eventually cleared to make way for Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts. There were demonstrations but they failed.

    Ironically there is an all-black/Hispanic NYCHA housing project right behind Lincoln Center, which isn't quite as horrible as most of them, because location. It's a dreary blot in an otherwise up and coming area.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    In Chicago gentrification started on a small scale on the Near North Side in the early ’60s. In the ’50s large stretches of the North Side lakefront were almost as embattled as the South Side’s Hyde Park near the University of Chicago.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Hibernian


    "Embattled"
     
    Those days are long over. We just slink off to another exurb, and another and another. When will it end?
    , @LP5
    @Hibernian

    The U Chicago people proudly announced at one time that they had the second largest police force in Illinois. The reply from a U friend was that they needed all those cops due to muggings on the buses going to campus, street-level capitalism having, uh, externalities and such.

    Was that a great city, or what?

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Hibernian

    My condo in Uptown on the first block in from the lakefront was built in 1923 in an upscale manner with 9 foot ceilings and 1800 sf apartments. But then during the Depression, each apartment got broken up into two units. Finally, it was rehabbed in 1973 and restored to 7 room units. The area was okay but still unfashionable until briefly becoming fashionable at the end of the booming 1990s.

  39. Tom changed his acting style dramatically.

  40. It used to be a joke, but now you really do have to hire Spielberg’s non-union Mexican equivalent, Señor Spielbergo, if you want a decent movie without political correctness.

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
  41. Subtitles rule. It’s very effective for learning foreign languages, especially those with different writing scripts.

  42. @AnotherDad
    @Skyler the Weird


    Spielberg’s the racist. He should have done the modern thing with adaptations and made the Jets Black.
     
    Obviously.

    If Spielberg, wanted to tap some actual truth and generate a little frisson, he'd remake it as "Compton Side Story" (or "South Side Story" or something) and have black and Mexican gangs battling it out for control of a Los Angeles neighborhood.

    I'll grant you drive-bys may not choreograph as well as a knife fight, but at least it would be about something real.

    But suffice it to say that story isn't the sort of story telling Spielberg is interested in.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Ray P

    It has been said there are only two things a movie director has in mind to do: Tell a story or grind an axe.

  43. @Mike Tre
    Semi related: For the past few years, my wife and many of her female friends insist on watching any TV show or movie with the English subtitles on. Apparently this is becoming more popular, especially with women, who seem to be having more difficulty understanding the dialog of the most modern delivery of mostly improper, urbanized and heavily accented English.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @AndrewR, @ScarletNumber, @SafeNow

    I always use subtitles so that I can be sure what was said. I am a quick reader so I don’t usually miss much else that’s going on on the screen.

  44. @Altai
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0CL-ZSuCrQ

    Lin Manuel also tried the 'authenticity' trick to beat the 'West Side Story' remake to the punch with his own pseudo-remake 'In The Heights', what's interesting to me is that since it's made by a guy with an immigrant chip on his shoulder, he gives the characters his. motivation and perspective. Instead it flopped hard and now 'Hamilton' is going to be declared racist and replaced with the new 'Juneteenth' musical.

    The central conflict is some law that will deport all the illegal immigrants and the main character's quest to simultaneously get some legal stay or citizenship and to protest it.

    There's a lot of status-obsessed language 'dignity' etc. I wonder if it was supposed to be mood music for amnesty? Not that it did very well. Images of New York barrios and public pools etc with no non-Caribbeans did not excite joy in the hearts of white and black America nor did it with 'Latinx' audiences who mostly aren't Dominican or Puerto Rican despite thinking of the MBAs at Disney. (Pro tip, if you want people to sympathise with immigrants never show them monopolising public spaces or lots of children. Manuel, being an immigrant-supremecist, doesn't comprehend this.)

    I think it's because they've become so emboldened they don't realise you're supposed to wrap the awk shucks illegal immigrant or 'DREAMER' in an American flag and just pretend that they're exactly like any other young American with no alternative identity. But this movie looks like an immigration protest in LA or NYC, lots of Latin American flags that they don't realise doesn't send the right message but they can't help themselves. You're self-depicting yourself as an aggressive encroaching foreign force that engages in ethnic nepotism. In another era that would be called an invasion.

    Even the weird Spanish accent they put on the name ‘Washington Heights’ as though it was once and forever a Puerto Rican and Dominican enclave despite the name giving the game away. It’s all so tiresome. ‘It’s a story about a block that was disappearing’. No I’m pretty sure the buildings could remain and be repopulated without complaint. Why aren’t Americans grateful? If Puerto Ricans weren’t around all those brownstones in New York would be rotting in the fields. It’s sad, but what young American dreams of living in New York city?

    “You live by the rules”. Just not the immigration rules…

    ‘DR, PR, we’re not stoppin’.

    I just love the rap lyrics ‘We came to working and to live’, yes, at the expense of Americans, that’s the problem fam. The guy who wants immigration restrictions is looking for a better life for himself and his children too.

    Replies: @Elmer T. Jones, @Anon7, @Daniel H

    I saw In the Heights; my overwhelming feeling about fifteen minutes in, just listening to the music, was that I was watching a Latino version of La La Land. Other impressions include the words “formulaic” and “meh”.

    I laughed when I saw that Spielberg was putting out a West Side Story remake; I guess if you want to squeeze a few more shekalim out of that intellectual property, now’s the time.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Anon7

    I have never understood the alleged appeal of “In the Heights” - and I actually enjoy musicals. I have seen the stage production once and listened to the soundtrack at least three times before finally deleting the entire thing from iTunes. My wife is a bigger fan of musicals than I am and she really doesn’t care for it, either.

    Miranda’s music basically underwhelms me. Most of the numbers from “Moana” were awful. One or two were decent but nothing special. “Bring It On” had a few decent numbers, but he co-wrote the music for that with Tom Kitt. Even the music from “Hamilton” really isn’t all that good. I guess it would make more sense if I was 17.

    And compared to “In the Heights,” “La La Land” was genius.

  45. @Paperback Writer
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    I refuse to sign up for Facebook and they don't let you look nowadays without doing so. I wish that commenters could post screenshots here. Can you give us a sample?

    As a Jew, I'm sick of Sarah Silverman's constant goy-baiting, and I enjoy seeing her being taken down. Rogen as well, but I'm not aware that he's made an actual career of goy-baiting.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Malcolm X-Lax

    His films have been mostly apolitical stoner comedy (this new film is a major exception), but his Twitter account is entirely goy-baiting.

  46. @Hibernian
    @Paperback Writer

    In Chicago gentrification started on a small scale on the Near North Side in the early '60s. In the '50s large stretches of the North Side lakefront were almost as embattled as the South Side's Hyde Park near the University of Chicago.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @LP5, @Steve Sailer

    “Embattled”

    Those days are long over. We just slink off to another exurb, and another and another. When will it end?

  47. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    If your looking for any signs of hope for humanity this holiday season, check out the comments on HBOMax’s Santa Inc Facebook page (unless of course it’s been scrubbed by the time you get to it).
    https://fb.watch/9FSAy-Aj9L/

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Escher, @Lurker

    Don’t have and don’t want a Facebook account.

    This is very encouraging though.

    https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/santa-inc-seth-rogen-lowest-rated-tv-show

    Check out the Tweet from Rogen attributing the backlash to (you guessed right) White supremacists

  48. @Buffalo Joe
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, I watch everyhing except sports in subtitle. The dialogue in a movie or show is important, the commentary in sports is ususlly the "Color" commentator's way of showing you he knows more than you could ever understand about the game. Worst ever was John Gruden. What is enlightening is if you wait for the movie credits, I do, and the lyrics to a rap song is running with the scroll down, the words are vile.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Ron Mexico, @Paperback Writer

    Gruden was at his best the last couple years he did color. He seemed to abandon the “script” that he used to follow with false over enthusiasm and instead applied his impatient and critical coach’s eye to the game play as well as the poor officiating.

    Before I stopped watching the NFL altogether, I used to watch the Bears games on mute but play the call on the the local WBBM am station, that featured very good play by play by local sportscaster Jeff Joniak and very good color by by former Joliet Catholic HS*, University of Notre Dame and Chicago Bears alum Tom Thayer (who’s family owns a very good restaurant in Joliet still to this day; Thayer’s mom would sit in the dining room almost everyday and mingle with guests up until her death last year. She was a very sweet lady.) One of the better things about the MLB that the other pro leagues never figured out is that having a local broadcast crew do the games makes the viewing experience much better. Joe Buck and Troy Aikman are considered to be one of the best NFL broadcasting crews but they are so bad I couldn’t stand to listen to them.

    *John Gruden’s superbowl winning white running back Mike Alstott is also a Joliet Catholic alum.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Mike Tre


    One of the better things about the MLB that the other pro leagues never figured out is that having a local broadcast crew do the games makes the viewing experience much better.
     
    CBS used to do it this way, but correctly determined that it is more efficient to have one crew per game, not two. As for me, I get to listen to the Giants' WFAN radio crew do their preseason games on WNBC-TV. Bob Papa isn't bad on pxp, but Carl Banks is awful on color, but not as bad as Ray Lucas was on Rutgers color. Therefore, I just listen to whomever FOX assigns. Tomorrow is Chris Myers and Daryl Moose Johnson, but I would watch it no matter who the commentators were.

    The Giants used to use Dick Lynch and Dave Jennings on radio color, but they are no longer with us.
  49. So if/when this film makes it to CHYNA, will it be dubbed or have subtitles? Add CG chopsticks to aid the translation of Spanglish.

  50. Spielberg: Subtitles Are Racist

    That’s another item for Titania’s list.

    A list of things that are not racist would probably be shorter than a complete list of things that are racist.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Calvin Hobbes

    One day, perhaps soon, history will not be taught in schools. Not even yesterday’s muscular liberalism (now white supremacist) of “America was founded on equality. Our history is including more people in that equality over time.”

    No one will be allowed to teach white kids about American slavery or European colonialism. Lest they get white supreemist ideas. Knowledge of history will be one of the ways to sniff out BadThinking parents. Whites will get “whites bad! You are being punished for being so bad.” Non-whites will get cartoon colonialism. “Everyone was living in harmony with the earth when BadEuropeans developed the science and technology that cause global warming. They colonized you and tried to force European ways onto you. Then they left? The smart Asian (or Indian) says ‘if BadWhites are so bad, why did we follow them back to their countries?’ Haven’t you been listening,’ the 700 lb black teacher says, ‘because of colonialism’”

    Think about it. When critical race theory fails to uplift blacks, what then? Obviously, if focusing blacks on all the “wrongs” whites did them failed, then maybe just telling them that whites are bad without telling them why will Close the Gap. Some principal will “test” it by sorting the best behaved black first-grade girls into the experimental class and the dumbest, unruliest black boys into the CRT and show the BadWhites Bad! curriculum raises test scores vs CRT, which will then be cast as white supremeism. Every school in the country will implement the BadWhites Bad! K-12 program that she and her girlfriends get high and write that weekend.

    As long as white women are on the wrong side... Scratch that. The ship could have been turned around the day before Reagan’s amnesty (and prizes) for illegals. A country with a “conservative” President who would do that does not have the will to live. We did a lot of dumb things “to show those Ruskies!”.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  51. But now Steven Spielberg has declared subtitles racist.

    But not if they’re in Hebrew.

  52. @Hibernian
    @Paperback Writer

    In Chicago gentrification started on a small scale on the Near North Side in the early '60s. In the '50s large stretches of the North Side lakefront were almost as embattled as the South Side's Hyde Park near the University of Chicago.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @LP5, @Steve Sailer

    The U Chicago people proudly announced at one time that they had the second largest police force in Illinois. The reply from a U friend was that they needed all those cops due to muggings on the buses going to campus, street-level capitalism having, uh, externalities and such.

    Was that a great city, or what?

  53. @Paperback Writer
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    I refuse to sign up for Facebook and they don't let you look nowadays without doing so. I wish that commenters could post screenshots here. Can you give us a sample?

    As a Jew, I'm sick of Sarah Silverman's constant goy-baiting, and I enjoy seeing her being taken down. Rogen as well, but I'm not aware that he's made an actual career of goy-baiting.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Malcolm X-Lax

    Yeah it sucks we can’t post screenshots. But anyway, here a sample:

    “The Elf cries out in pain as he strikes you.”

    “And then for no reason whatsoever, the people of the North Pole elected Rudolf Antler.”

    “It’s really weird how Elves make up so much of the toy making industry yet are such a small percentage of the overall population of the North Pole. They also are over represented in the Santa administration and the Deep Sleigh.”

    You get the idea.

    • Thanks: John Regan, Rob McX
    • LOL: El Dato, LondonBob
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Hapalong Cassidy


    “And then for no reason whatsoever, the people of the North Pole elected Rudolf Antler.”

     

    That's clever.
  54. • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Peterike


    Speaking of Sondheim…
     
    The only name he names (other than his collaborator) is Cole Porter, with whom he shares another minority status. Who are the other two "gentile composers" he hints at? I can think of many: Hoagy Carmichael, Harry Warren, Richard Whiting, Vincent Youmans, Isham Jones, Zez Confrey, Jimmy McHugh, Glenn Miller, Victor Herbert, Henry Mancini, Meredith Willson, Jimmy Van Heusen, Bert Kaempfert, Michel Legrand, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Lennon and McCartney... and those are just the white ones.
  55. Spielberg took ten thousand exaggerated bows for making a movie where every character except one talked like Colonel Klink, and the hero talked like Roger Frickin’ Moore.

    Oh how I wish SCHINDLER’S LIST ran three-plus hours of uninterrupted German, Yiddish and a smidge of Czechoslovakian sans a single subtitle. Every tiresome Jew in America could have practiced Setting A Good Example for us actual whites by pretending they were riveted by every unintelligible moment of it. Plus think of the countless schoolchildren who would have been spared that vital indoctrination session, who could have gone on to enjoy a healthy, normal childhood free of externally-implanted guilt complexes they did nothing to deserve being psychologically hobbled by.

  56. @Buffalo Joe
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, I watch everyhing except sports in subtitle. The dialogue in a movie or show is important, the commentary in sports is ususlly the "Color" commentator's way of showing you he knows more than you could ever understand about the game. Worst ever was John Gruden. What is enlightening is if you wait for the movie credits, I do, and the lyrics to a rap song is running with the scroll down, the words are vile.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Ron Mexico, @Paperback Writer

    Joe,
    Watch this interview with the Iron Sheik in subtitles. I think it is its own genre.

  57. Rita Moreno is still alive! (89 y.o.)

    She and Natalie Wood were the cosmopolitan precursors to Mary Ann and Ginger.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    She was interviewed by the black guy on 60 Minutes just last week. The segment was enjoyable but of course she had a #MeToo story from when she was a teenager and her agent seduced her.

    Replies: @D. K.

  58. My wife once dated a guy who said that movies with subtitles are hard.

    He definitely did not get invited up to the apartment for coffee.

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
  59. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    Now we know why this scene was not subtitled. It would have been spacist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZj7gUIO-2k&ab_channel=VincentV.C.

    And notice ET learns to speak English because it’s be spacist to depend on subtitles.

    And Japanese almost never speak in Empire of the Sun lest subtitles be required.

    And Germans all speak accented English in Schindler.

  60. @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Inorite? After all, what did Hamilton ever contribute to the founding of the nation?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    Inorite? After all, what did Hamilton ever contribute to the founding of the nation?

    He pretty much came up with everything and then lost a rap off against Aaron Burr.

  61. @Steve Sailer
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Obviously, I'm a huge fan of Pournelle and Niven, going back to my regret that for scheduling reasons I couldn't accept Jerry's son's invitation to go with the family to attend the 1976 science fiction convention at which Robert Heinlein was presented the Lifetime Achievement award.

    But my impression is the sequel to "The Mote in God's Eye" that featured "on the gripping hand" was inferior Niven and Pournelle.

    Replies: @Rob, @Danindc, @Good Vibes, @cthulhu, @SunBakedSuburb, @Clyde

    The “Mote” sequel, titled “The Gripping Hand”, is uneven but overall worthwhile after a very slow and borderline pointless opening few chapters. Nowhere near as good as the original though.

  62. @Steve Sailer
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Obviously, I'm a huge fan of Pournelle and Niven, going back to my regret that for scheduling reasons I couldn't accept Jerry's son's invitation to go with the family to attend the 1976 science fiction convention at which Robert Heinlein was presented the Lifetime Achievement award.

    But my impression is the sequel to "The Mote in God's Eye" that featured "on the gripping hand" was inferior Niven and Pournelle.

    Replies: @Rob, @Danindc, @Good Vibes, @cthulhu, @SunBakedSuburb, @Clyde

    Pournelle’s Janissaries, the first book, was tailor-made for boys aged 12 and up.

  63. I’m surprised there’s not a niche market for movies or shows where subtitles are used to show silent (email or text) communication between characters.

    You’d think this device would appeal strongly to the art house movie demo. Or smarter types who value plot coherence over emotional bombast.

  64. Adapted by playwright Tony Kushner, the film — described as a “reimagining” of the original — possesses a grittier edge

    I fear we will see a darker, grittier adaptation of “Schindler’s List” before long.

    All the dialogue will be in subtitle-less barked german or maybe polish (probably leading to lawsuits and demands for reparations from “Poland”, which I never get because modern “Poland” is half ex-Germany).

    But what about the onomatopoeic subtitles?

  65. @Achmed E. Newman
    If you think that's bad (whatever Spielberg is on about), try watching The Dirty Dozen in a hotel room in Germany on a 9" diagonal screen black & white TV, in the early 2000's no less! I don't know if the original had the Germans in the bunker with the party going on speaking German with subtitles or just English, but this version had no subtitles and everyone speaking German.

    It was in black & white, see, so the army uniforms didn't look much different. The German uniforms were a little bit darker, but did I mention this was a 9" diagonal TV? I could tell who Telly Savalas was and maybe Clint Eastwood, if he was even in this one. Otherwise, how are you supposed to know what the heck is going on, even if you have seen it 2 or 3 times before?!

    Oh, Planet of the Apes was fun too. The apes were speaking German! The only real learning experience was the continual "call these girls" commercials which would repeat those pairs-of-2 8-digit phone numbers over and over. "null neun, neun fünf, null sieben, acht vier, "null neun, neun fünf, null sieben, acht vier, null neun, neun fünf, null sieben, acht vier", with girls who looked like Nina of "neun und neunzig luft balloons" fame.

    ... better than paying for Rosetta Stone.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @El Dato

    That’s the real DDR feel right there.

  66. Trying to impose gringo gender neutrality on the beautiful Spanish language (a la Latinx) is imperialistic and racist.

    • Replies: @fish
    @Fidelios Automata

    You'll want to make the white female grad student contingent aware of that immediately. They are just certain that you are doing your language wrong!

  67. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    On Steve's question of whether people know the difference between Seth Rogan and Joe Rogan.

    Uh yes. Seth and Sarah Silverman put out an anti-White male Santa movie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PQruIfBVSs

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @AndrewR, @Barnard, @Fidelios Automata, @AnotherDad, @Clyde, @Jack D

    I’d still do Silverman given the chance. But I wouldn’t enjoy it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Fidelios Automata


    I’d still do Silverman given the chance.
     
    Put the Mogen David over her face, and call it a mitzvah.

    Replies: @Whiskey

  68. On the other hand, Hispanics buy a lot of movie tickets.

    Do they? Or do they find other ways to get in?

    The “light rail” ticket machines in Minneapolis offer services in Spanish, Somali, and Hmong. Somalis are taught English in those Kenyan camps, so they didn’t use this feature. (I observed them for years.) Hmong don’t live in Minneapolis; they had to wait years for the St Paul line.

    That leaves Hispanics, many whom live near the midpoint of the Mpls. line. It’s an honor system with occasional police checks for tickets. I always wondered if the patrons of the businesses with cockfighting logos bothered to pay.

    it is less likely that you’re going to be allowed to put that boom mic right where the actor is, because it’s probably going to drop a shadow

    Lord Vinheteiro is usually more careful with his videos. But here he is, playing the USSR anthem with hammer and sickle– wait, don’t pianos already have hammers? You can see his cameraman’s reflection in the curio cabinet. Wearing a “Freedom Channel” tee shirt.

    Fun facts: The English near-synonym for sickle, machete, derives from the Spanish for “little hammer”, so “hammer and sickle” could be “hammer and little hammer”. (Hammer itself is macho, which Lord V certainly embodies.) Machete has the same meaning in Portuguese as in English, but is also used for the Madeiran instrument that became the cavaquinho, and the ukulele. Yep, the uke is Portogee.

  69. @Good Vibes
    @Steve Sailer

    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I've never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.

    It's a big deal to the NYC theater crowd I take it. But I just hang out with middle and working class folks. Maybe some upper middle class sometimes. Never heard it mentioned.

    Replies: @D. K., @ScarletNumber, @Daniel H, @PhysicistDave, @Wilkey

    “Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.

    “It’s a big deal to the NYC theater crowd I take it. But I just hang out with middle and working class folks. Maybe some upper middle class sometimes. Never heard it mentioned.”

    ***

    West Side Story is a 1961 American musical romantic drama film directed by Robert Wise and Jerome Robbins. With a screenplay by Ernest Lehman, the film is an adaptation of the 1957 Broadway musical of the same name, which in turn was inspired by Shakespeare’s play Romeo and Juliet. It stars Natalie Wood, Richard Beymer, Russ Tamblyn, Rita Moreno, and George Chakiris, and was photographed by Daniel L. Fapp in Super Panavision 70. The music was composed by Leonard Bernstein, with lyrics by Stephen Sondheim.

    Released on October 18, 1961, through United Artists, the film received high praise from critics and viewers, and became the highest-grossing film of 1961. It was nominated for 11 Academy Awards and won 10, including Best Picture (in addition to a special award for Robbins), becoming the record holder for the most wins for a musical. West Side Story is regarded as one of the greatest musical films of all time. The film has been deemed “culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant” by the Library of Congress and was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry in 1997.[5] A new film adaptation of the same name by Steven Spielberg is set to be released on December 10, 2021.

    ***

    West Side Story was a commercial success upon its release. It became the highest-grossing film of 1961, earning rentals of \$19,645,000 in the United States and Canada. It remained the highest-grossing musical film of all-time[34] until the release of The Sound of Music in 1965. The film grossed \$44.1 million worldwide (\$382 million in 2020). Because of profit participation, United Artists earned a profit of only \$2.5 million on the film (\$22 million in 2020).[35]

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Story_(1961_film)

    ***

    West Side Story is the soundtrack album to the 1961 film West Side Story, featuring music by Leonard Bernstein and lyrics by Stephen Sondheim. Released in 1961, the soundtrack spent 54 weeks at No. 1 on Billboard’s album charts, giving it the longest run at No. 1 of any album in history,[2] although some lists instead credit Michael Jackson’s Thriller, on the grounds that West Side Story was listed on a chart for stereo albums only at a time when many albums were recorded in mono.[3] In 1962, it won a Grammy award for “Best Sound Track Album – Original Cast.” In the United States, it was the best-selling album of the 1960s,[4] certifying three times platinum by the RIAA on November 21, 1986.

    Though the album was released just a few years after the release of the original broadway cast recording, it is according to musical theater historian Ethan Mordden preferred by some to the earlier version both sentimentally, as the film succeeded in establishing the musical as a “popular masterpiece”, and musically, as it contains “beefier orchestration”.[5]

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Story_(1961_soundtrack)

    One of my older siblings bought the movie-soundtrack album, and it was very popular in our very blue-collar home, on the West Side of Gary, Indiana.

    When the 1961 film made its belated network-television debut, about a decade after its original theatrical release, when I was a high-school underclassman, it was considered a very big deal.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Thanks: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @D. K.


    West Side Story is a 1961 American musical romantic drama film directed by Robert Wise and Jerome Robbins. With a screenplay by Ernest Lehman
     
    Is either Lehman or Wise both Jewish and gay? As we're Robbins, Arthur Laurents, Leonard Bernstein, Stephen Sondheim, and original lead Larry Kert.

    Hmm...

    According to John Clum, "Laurents was always a mirror of his times. Through his best work, one sees a staged history of leftist, gender, and gay politics in the decades after World War II."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Laurents#Theatrical_career
     

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @D. K.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @D. K.

    West Side Story is perhaps the single-most commonly mounted high school musical production in America, since it has tons of roles for teens.

  70. Anon[265] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: The parents of the Michigan shooter are being charged with involuntary manslaughter for letting their kid get hold of guns. Shooter is also being tried as an adult.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/04/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-saturday/index.html

    This looks like an important turning point in society. From now on, society may choose to crack down hard on families for raising their kids wrong if their kid turns out violent. Decent families are tired of their kids being killed because some trash family can’t raise their own kids right. If you don’t have the money to put your kids in private school, going hard after scum families and their scum kids is your last resort to keep decent kids safe.

    In liberal thinking, all behavior–including bad behavior–is learned, not innate. The logical conclusion of this is that parents are indeed responsible for training their kids to act like criminals. Therefore, liberals are beginning to think that parents should be tried as accessories if their kids break the law.

    Chinese law used to do this in feudal days, and they punished parents for raising criminal kids. Maybe the cultural shift is intended to pressure scum families into not having kids?

    Note this won’t apply to black families, though it should. Even liberals realize if you jail all the worthless black parents, there aren’t enough people left to take care of the ocean of scummy black kids.

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
    • Replies: @Calvin Hobbes
    @Anon


    Note this won’t apply to black families, though it should. Even liberals realize if you jail all the worthless black parents, there aren’t enough people left to take care of the ocean of scummy black kids.
     
    I had the same thought. It’s inconceivable that the parents of a black teenage criminal would be charged, but:

    Parents of school shooter Ethan Crumbley, 15, WEEP in court as they plead not guilty to involuntary manslaughter charges and judge sets bail at $500K: Couple were found hiding in a Detroit art studio less than a mile from Canadian border

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10274257/Fugitive-parents-Michigan-shooter-Ethan-Crumbley-ARRESTED.html
    , @flyingtiger
    @Anon

    I agree. It is time to put the parents of carjackers into jail. Also they should be permanently barred from collecting government benefits. Once a few die, crime will go down.

    , @Anonymous
    @Anon

    The uncle of the black kid who killed Kayla Roland back in 2000 was also convicted of involuntary manslaughter for not securing the gun. He did 2 and half years in prison.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kayla_Rolland

    It will be interesting to see how much time these two get by comparison.

  71. Spielberg should have remade Bye Bye Birdie instead

  72. @Daniel H
    Does anybody give a flip about Puerto Ricans anymore? Does "anybody" give a flip about latinos/hispanics? Yeah, they have the numbers, but less traction than they had in the 50's - 80's.

    A clever write should create a script about the seething, hostile dynamics between whites, hindus and asians within contemporary, elite corporate, hi-social america.

    Replies: @BB753, @Colin Wright, @Father O'Hara, @Hypnotoad666

    ‘Does anybody give a flip about Puerto Ricans anymore? Does “anybody” give a flip about latinos/hispanics? Yeah, they have the numbers, but less traction than they had in the 50’s – 80’s…’

    That suggested something to me.

    Indeed, Hispanics remain only a token presence in politics — but blacks aren’t.

    I wonder if this is connected to the considerable racial hostility between blacks and Hispanics. Are blacks shutting Hispanics out?

  73. @Skyler the Weird
    Spielberg's the racist. He should have done the modern thing with adaptations and made the Jets Black. They could sing the Sondheim lyrics to a hip-hop background. A win win for diversity, inclusion equity.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad, @Colin Wright

    ‘Spielberg’s the racist. He should have done the modern thing with adaptations and made the Jets Black. They could sing the Sondheim lyrics to a hip-hop background. A win win for diversity, inclusion equity.’

    You could even have the blacks gang-rape a white co-ed from Columbia. Urinate on her at the end and then leave her bleeding and dying on the concrete. Really grind it in the face of the Man!

  74. @D. K.
    @Good Vibes

    "Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.

    "It’s a big deal to the NYC theater crowd I take it. But I just hang out with middle and working class folks. Maybe some upper middle class sometimes. Never heard it mentioned."

    ***

    West Side Story is a 1961 American musical romantic drama film directed by Robert Wise and Jerome Robbins. With a screenplay by Ernest Lehman, the film is an adaptation of the 1957 Broadway musical of the same name, which in turn was inspired by Shakespeare's play Romeo and Juliet. It stars Natalie Wood, Richard Beymer, Russ Tamblyn, Rita Moreno, and George Chakiris, and was photographed by Daniel L. Fapp in Super Panavision 70. The music was composed by Leonard Bernstein, with lyrics by Stephen Sondheim.

    Released on October 18, 1961, through United Artists, the film received high praise from critics and viewers, and became the highest-grossing film of 1961. It was nominated for 11 Academy Awards and won 10, including Best Picture (in addition to a special award for Robbins), becoming the record holder for the most wins for a musical. West Side Story is regarded as one of the greatest musical films of all time. The film has been deemed "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" by the Library of Congress and was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry in 1997.[5] A new film adaptation of the same name by Steven Spielberg is set to be released on December 10, 2021.

    ***

    West Side Story was a commercial success upon its release. It became the highest-grossing film of 1961, earning rentals of $19,645,000 in the United States and Canada. It remained the highest-grossing musical film of all-time[34] until the release of The Sound of Music in 1965. The film grossed $44.1 million worldwide ($382 million in 2020). Because of profit participation, United Artists earned a profit of only $2.5 million on the film ($22 million in 2020).[35]

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Story_(1961_film)

    ***

    West Side Story is the soundtrack album to the 1961 film West Side Story, featuring music by Leonard Bernstein and lyrics by Stephen Sondheim. Released in 1961, the soundtrack spent 54 weeks at No. 1 on Billboard's album charts, giving it the longest run at No. 1 of any album in history,[2] although some lists instead credit Michael Jackson's Thriller, on the grounds that West Side Story was listed on a chart for stereo albums only at a time when many albums were recorded in mono.[3] In 1962, it won a Grammy award for "Best Sound Track Album – Original Cast." In the United States, it was the best-selling album of the 1960s,[4] certifying three times platinum by the RIAA on November 21, 1986.

    Though the album was released just a few years after the release of the original broadway cast recording, it is according to musical theater historian Ethan Mordden preferred by some to the earlier version both sentimentally, as the film succeeded in establishing the musical as a "popular masterpiece", and musically, as it contains "beefier orchestration".[5]

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Story_(1961_soundtrack)

    One of my older siblings bought the movie-soundtrack album, and it was very popular in our very blue-collar home, on the West Side of Gary, Indiana.

    When the 1961 film made its belated network-television debut, about a decade after its original theatrical release, when I was a high-school underclassman, it was considered a very big deal.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Steve Sailer

    West Side Story is a 1961 American musical romantic drama film directed by Robert Wise and Jerome Robbins. With a screenplay by Ernest Lehman

    Is either Lehman or Wise both Jewish and gay? As we’re Robbins, Arthur Laurents, Leonard Bernstein, Stephen Sondheim, and original lead Larry Kert.

    Hmm…

    According to John Clum, “Laurents was always a mirror of his times. Through his best work, one sees a staged history of leftist, gender, and gay politics in the decades after World War II.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Laurents#Theatrical_career

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    Is either Lehman or Wise both Jewish and gay?
     
    Neither were gay. Lehman was Jewish. Wise wasn't.

    Lehman was a competent enough screen-writer (Executive Suite, North by Northwest, Family Plot). Wise, who was the editor on Citizen Kane, also directed The Sound of Music, The Andromeda Strain, The Hindenburg, and The (first) Star Trek Movie.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @D. K.
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Is either Lehman or Wise both Jewish and gay? As we’re Robbins, Arthur Laurents, Leonard Bernstein, Stephen Sondheim, and original lead Larry Kert.

    "Hmm…"

    Lehman was Jewish; Wise was a small-town Hoosier, and I never have seen the slightest evidence that he had any Jewish lineage, despite his surname often being Jewish in America. Neither man was gay; both had long marriages, remarriages, and one (Wise) or more (three for Lehman) children.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Lehman

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wise

  75. @AnotherDad
    @Skyler the Weird


    Spielberg’s the racist. He should have done the modern thing with adaptations and made the Jets Black.
     
    Obviously.

    If Spielberg, wanted to tap some actual truth and generate a little frisson, he'd remake it as "Compton Side Story" (or "South Side Story" or something) and have black and Mexican gangs battling it out for control of a Los Angeles neighborhood.

    I'll grant you drive-bys may not choreograph as well as a knife fight, but at least it would be about something real.

    But suffice it to say that story isn't the sort of story telling Spielberg is interested in.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Ray P

    Spielberg should have made it West Bank Story: the orthodox Jewish settler gang vs. the Palestinian Arab gang. “Everyone’s coming to Israel/Everyone’s coming to Israel”.

    • LOL: JMcG, Kylie
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Ray P

    Adam Sandler already made that movie called "You Don't Mess With the Zohan." The conflict between Israelis and Palestinians is resolved in New York, where they team up to fight a real-estate developer.

  76. Another Spielberg movie……..meh. I caught a little of The Post, which was the usual liberal hagiographic crap. And Ready Player One seemed like predictive programming for our Great-Reset-Metaverse dystopian future, living in shipping crates and eating bugs. I think Spielberg is a spent force. He’s currently making a new Indiana Jones movie. Blah.

    Moreover, I don’t care to see anything written by gay-propagandist Tony Kushner. His whole premise for Munich was ridiculous. He’s a minority within a minority, and clearly hates me-and-mine, even if he’s more subtle about it than the likes of Seth Rogen and Sarah Silverman.

  77. @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Inorite? After all, what did Hamilton ever contribute to the founding of the nation?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    After all, what did Hamilton ever contribute to the founding of the nation?

    The most important Hamilton is not Alexander, but Andrew, whose legacy we will increasingly need to turn to.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Andrew-Hamilton
    https://www.britannica.com/biography/John-Peter-Zenger

    And who was the “victim” of Zenger’s “libel”? Why– 👁🐐🐑🎀– Bill Cosby!

    [MORE]

  78. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    On Steve's question of whether people know the difference between Seth Rogan and Joe Rogan.

    Uh yes. Seth and Sarah Silverman put out an anti-White male Santa movie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PQruIfBVSs

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @AndrewR, @Barnard, @Fidelios Automata, @AnotherDad, @Clyde, @Jack D

    Obnoxious Jews taking shots at “evil”, “oppressive”, “boring”, “privileged”, “stupid”, “racist”, “white bread” …


    deplorable, gun toting, pickup driving gentiles like me… just makes me want to go out and buy a pickup to go with my shotgun.

    Seriously, this is like the sun coming up in the East. What else is new?

    Again: There’s no excuse anymore. Israel exists now. If you have contempt for us, go live among your own people. Any other choice is simply bad character.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @AnotherDad

    Jack D - you're Justification Train is leaving.

    Replies: @Jack D

  79. @Reg Cæsar
    @D. K.


    West Side Story is a 1961 American musical romantic drama film directed by Robert Wise and Jerome Robbins. With a screenplay by Ernest Lehman
     
    Is either Lehman or Wise both Jewish and gay? As we're Robbins, Arthur Laurents, Leonard Bernstein, Stephen Sondheim, and original lead Larry Kert.

    Hmm...

    According to John Clum, "Laurents was always a mirror of his times. Through his best work, one sees a staged history of leftist, gender, and gay politics in the decades after World War II."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Laurents#Theatrical_career
     

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @D. K.

    Is either Lehman or Wise both Jewish and gay?

    Neither were gay. Lehman was Jewish. Wise wasn’t.

    Lehman was a competent enough screen-writer (Executive Suite, North by Northwest, Family Plot). Wise, who was the editor on Citizen Kane, also directed The Sound of Music, The Andromeda Strain, The Hindenburg, and The (first) Star Trek Movie.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Mr. Anon

    Don't forget the original "The Day the Earth Stood Still" which holds up quite well!

  80. @Reg Cæsar
    @D. K.


    West Side Story is a 1961 American musical romantic drama film directed by Robert Wise and Jerome Robbins. With a screenplay by Ernest Lehman
     
    Is either Lehman or Wise both Jewish and gay? As we're Robbins, Arthur Laurents, Leonard Bernstein, Stephen Sondheim, and original lead Larry Kert.

    Hmm...

    According to John Clum, "Laurents was always a mirror of his times. Through his best work, one sees a staged history of leftist, gender, and gay politics in the decades after World War II."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Laurents#Theatrical_career
     

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @D. K.

    “Is either Lehman or Wise both Jewish and gay? As we’re Robbins, Arthur Laurents, Leonard Bernstein, Stephen Sondheim, and original lead Larry Kert.

    “Hmm…”

    Lehman was Jewish; Wise was a small-town Hoosier, and I never have seen the slightest evidence that he had any Jewish lineage, despite his surname often being Jewish in America. Neither man was gay; both had long marriages, remarriages, and one (Wise) or more (three for Lehman) children.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Lehman

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wise

  81. @AnotherDad
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Obnoxious Jews taking shots at "evil", "oppressive", "boring", "privileged", "stupid", "racist", "white bread" ...
    ...
    ...
    deplorable, gun toting, pickup driving gentiles like me... just makes me want to go out and buy a pickup to go with my shotgun.

    Seriously, this is like the sun coming up in the East. What else is new?


    Again: There's no excuse anymore. Israel exists now. If you have contempt for us, go live among your own people. Any other choice is simply bad character.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    Jack D – you’re Justification Train is leaving.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Mike Tre

    And "you're" eighth grade education level is showing. Not a good look.

    Call for the Jews (and African-Americans) to go "back" to whence they came are as old as the hills. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest that white trash go back to the Scots-Irish borderlands? You first.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  82. @Calvin Hobbes

    Spielberg: Subtitles Are Racist
     
    That’s another item for Titania’s list.

    https://twitter.com/titaniamcgrath/status/1281023987242487808?lang=en

    A list of things that are not racist would probably be shorter than a complete list of things that are racist.

    Replies: @Rob

    One day, perhaps soon, history will not be taught in schools. Not even yesterday’s muscular liberalism (now white supremacist) of “America was founded on equality. Our history is including more people in that equality over time.”

    No one will be allowed to teach white kids about American slavery or European colonialism. Lest they get white supreemist ideas. Knowledge of history will be one of the ways to sniff out BadThinking parents. Whites will get “whites bad! You are being punished for being so bad.” Non-whites will get cartoon colonialism. “Everyone was living in harmony with the earth when BadEuropeans developed the science and technology that cause global warming. They colonized you and tried to force European ways onto you. Then they left? The smart Asian (or Indian) says ‘if BadWhites are so bad, why did we follow them back to their countries?’ Haven’t you been listening,’ the 700 lb black teacher says, ‘because of colonialism’”

    Think about it. When critical race theory fails to uplift blacks, what then? Obviously, if focusing blacks on all the “wrongs” whites did them failed, then maybe just telling them that whites are bad without telling them why will Close the Gap. Some principal will “test” it by sorting the best behaved black first-grade girls into the experimental class and the dumbest, unruliest black boys into the CRT and show the BadWhites Bad! curriculum raises test scores vs CRT, which will then be cast as white supremeism. Every school in the country will implement the BadWhites Bad! K-12 program that she and her girlfriends get high and write that weekend.

    As long as white women are on the wrong side… Scratch that. The ship could have been turned around the day before Reagan’s amnesty (and prizes) for illegals. A country with a “conservative” President who would do that does not have the will to live. We did a lot of dumb things “to show those Ruskies!”.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Rob

    Think about it. When critical race theory fails to uplift blacks, what then? Obviously, if focusing blacks on all the “wrongs” whites did them failed, then maybe just telling them that whites are bad without telling them why will Close the Gap.

    The main goal is to burden White kids with guilt and bring them into the cause. Make them submissive and burden them with blood guilt.

    There is no expectation that they can uplift Blacks. Liberals are moving to a strategy of handicapping Whites and getting rid of grades.

    Common Core math with group grading and White guilt history. That will be the new standard for most public schools.

  83. But I learned right on here that Hispanics don’t do crime.

  84. Steve, a little bit of photography advice:

    I assume your wife is the one who took whatever photographs of you that you have featured here on your blog. Apparently she, and you, are not artists and don’t have that sensibility.

    In your Nixon Home pictures, you look like a pregnant giraffe.

    What you need to do is lean into the camera, put your eyes forward, and demand the viewers’ attention. Lean into the photo, because you are very tall and the camera wants to focus on your midsection. Avoid that. A good photographer would understand this. I am tall, and I do.

    Emphasize your face, not your belly. Lean in with your eyes, and insist that the photographer do her best to focus on your face. Perspective matters — enormously.

  85. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "On the other other hand,"

    The correct nerd-speak phrase for this ideation is "on the gripping hand." Just so ya know.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ralph L

    The correct nerd-speak phrase for this ideation is “on the gripping hand.”

    Or wanking hand.

    On newer streaming shows, the music is much louder than the dialogue.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Ralph L

    I don't think moties wank.

    That's why they are so numerous.

  86. @Red Pill Angel
    “1950s gentrification? Was that really a thing?”

    Yes, it was already getting started with the work of Jane Jacobs in NYC. She opposed urban renewal in Harlem and tried to get older buildings and houses cleaned up and fixed for existing populations instead of being ripped down for projects. I’m over-simplifying, but current gentrification was an unintended consequence of her work.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Of course, 40 years before that, in 1910, Harlem was 90% White. In 1900 NYC, as a whole, was 99% White. (Harlem was still 30% White in 1930).

    Knigbos didn’t build one building in Harlem,(which is named for a city in the Netherlands) and were just parasites and interlopers.

    • Replies: @Red Pill Angel
    @AceDeuce

    She was undoubtedly completely unconscious of the conflict between her eye for good 19th century urban architecture and her liberal 20th century sensibilities.

  87. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Paperback Writer

    Yeah it sucks we can’t post screenshots. But anyway, here a sample:

    “The Elf cries out in pain as he strikes you.”

    “And then for no reason whatsoever, the people of the North Pole elected Rudolf Antler.”

    “It’s really weird how Elves make up so much of the toy making industry yet are such a small percentage of the overall population of the North Pole. They also are over represented in the Santa administration and the Deep Sleigh.”

    You get the idea.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    “And then for no reason whatsoever, the people of the North Pole elected Rudolf Antler.”

    That’s clever.

  88. @Buffalo Joe
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, I watch everyhing except sports in subtitle. The dialogue in a movie or show is important, the commentary in sports is ususlly the "Color" commentator's way of showing you he knows more than you could ever understand about the game. Worst ever was John Gruden. What is enlightening is if you wait for the movie credits, I do, and the lyrics to a rap song is running with the scroll down, the words are vile.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Ron Mexico, @Paperback Writer

    I think we may be among the last generation of truly quick readers.

  89. Anonymous[950] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t get cataract surgery. Try to reduce the cataracts on your own first.

    I was nearsighted, and for the past 20 years, my eyesight got so bad I needed to wear glasses AND contact lenses. I began taking sulphoraphane, on top of other supplements, to guard against Covid complications. I realized after two months, I no longer needed my glasses to read! I haven’t yet had my eyes scanned to compare to my last scan, which had minor slight cataract development, but I expect there should be improvement.

    Anyway, you should try supplementation first, and put off surgery as long as possible, since mitigating cataracts 10 years from now should provide better technology for the task, and once you do it, you can’t go back.

    Here’s some papers (there’s plenty more) for some strategies of mitigating cataract formation, and again, the suphoraphane seemed to work for me.

    I’d say eliminating sugar from your diet, and severely restricting omega 6 fats and empty carbs, along with supplementing your diet might produce surprising results. It sure surprised me…

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23812493/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26084629/

    Deeper dive on sulphoraphane:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=sulforaphane

    Here’s where to get the sulphoraphane:

    https://www.broq.life/

  90. Here’s Why Movie Dialogue Has Gotten More Difficult To Understand

    Has it though? I think the problem may be with incompetent movie theatre staff mixing the music too high. I saw Tenet and Dune in the theatre in Europe and had no trouble following the dialogue in either film.

  91. Off-topic but very important: omicron is here!! Dr.Fauci belives masks a new quarantine might be necessary.

    • LOL: Travis
    • Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @Anonymous

    For the fully vaccinated the symptoms are very mild. The un-vaccinated appear to be immune to Omicron. 10o% of the known cases have been in people fully vaccinated.

  92. @Mike Tre
    Semi related: For the past few years, my wife and many of her female friends insist on watching any TV show or movie with the English subtitles on. Apparently this is becoming more popular, especially with women, who seem to be having more difficulty understanding the dialog of the most modern delivery of mostly improper, urbanized and heavily accented English.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @AndrewR, @ScarletNumber, @SafeNow

    I don’t think this is gendered behavior, as I always watch television with the closed captioning on.

  93. @Peterike
    Speaking of Sondheim….

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/community/articles/sondheim-stars-of-david-excerpt

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Speaking of Sondheim…

    The only name he names (other than his collaborator) is Cole Porter, with whom he shares another minority status. Who are the other two “gentile composers” he hints at? I can think of many: Hoagy Carmichael, Harry Warren, Richard Whiting, Vincent Youmans, Isham Jones, Zez Confrey, Jimmy McHugh, Glenn Miller, Victor Herbert, Henry Mancini, Meredith Willson, Jimmy Van Heusen, Bert Kaempfert, Michel Legrand, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Lennon and McCartney… and those are just the white ones.

  94. @Fidelios Automata
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    I'd still do Silverman given the chance. But I wouldn't enjoy it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I’d still do Silverman given the chance.

    Put the Mogen David over her face, and call it a mitzvah.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Reg Cæsar

    Sarah Silverman even into her mid thirties was very pretty. Not beautiful, but pretty. Her entire act was having a pretty, tall girl with a more youthful face and a little girl voice say all sorts of un-PC "shocking" things producing shock laughter. Its why comics cuss all the time -- to create shock which generates laughter. That stuff no longer works anymore, she is no longer young or pretty, and is a mid fifties woman. And no matter how attractive she is as a mid fifties woman, an average 25 year old will have her beat in looks and sex appeal. That's just basic biology. Silverman has no kids, so she's failed in the duty of Jewish women -- have more kids. So no wonder she's bitter, angry, with no husband or kids and nothing but a failed movie/TV career to look back on.

    Some dude spliced the late R. Lee Ermey's "Gunnery Sgt. Hartmann" rant on top of one of the Rankin-Bass Santa Clause movies on Youtube and that was funnier than anything professional comedians could come up with. The movie just was not funny -- it was far worse than that it was BORING. Reading the corporate financial reports of say Goldman-Sachs would be more entertaining.
    ----------
    But that is not the point, entertainment is not made for entertainment. No studio or streaming service wants a hit like the original Star Wars, the original Raiders, the original Iron Man, no nothing like that.

    The whole point is that mass ticket buying has been replaced by targeted data collection. Hollywood is not in the business and has not been for some time, of mass entertainment that is broadly appealing and makes money that way by being broadly appealing. See West Side PC Story where the director tells the potential ticket buyers they are racist.

    Nope, like Twitter and the rest, the idea is to more deeply harvest the data of the woke. See how they respond to certain emotional cues by fast forwarding or rewinding, re-watching etc. and sell, sell, sell that data. And sell it some more.

    That is why this West Side Story by Spielberg is boring. Its not meant for you any more than the Woke Santa movie is for you. It is for the woke, by the woke, meant to evoke among the woke deep feelings of hatred of ordinary White people so that woke corporations can sell the data when it goes streaming and caters to the woke.

    The days of mass entertainment are over, as is mass culture. White men have theirs, White women their wokeness, Latinos have Fast and the Furious plus the Rock, blacks have various black! y'all stuff. There is nothing and CAN BE NOTHING to unite all these people. Not now, not ever.

  95. @Mike Tre
    Semi related: For the past few years, my wife and many of her female friends insist on watching any TV show or movie with the English subtitles on. Apparently this is becoming more popular, especially with women, who seem to be having more difficulty understanding the dialog of the most modern delivery of mostly improper, urbanized and heavily accented English.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Buffalo Joe, @AndrewR, @ScarletNumber, @SafeNow

    seem to be having more difficulty understanding the dialog of the most modern delivery of mostly improper, urbanized and heavily accented English.

    My voicemail message includes: “Please speak slowly and carefully, as English is not my first language.”

    Actually, English IS my first language. Merely saying “please speak slowly and carefully” does not work. For one thing, it insults the caller by implying he does not speak well. It is better to place the onus on myself. Further, I receive heightened solicitude by making myself an other.

  96. @Good Vibes
    @Steve Sailer

    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I've never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.

    It's a big deal to the NYC theater crowd I take it. But I just hang out with middle and working class folks. Maybe some upper middle class sometimes. Never heard it mentioned.

    Replies: @D. K., @ScarletNumber, @Daniel H, @PhysicistDave, @Wilkey

    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.

    Yes, of course they do. You are revealing your ignorance here.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @ScarletNumber

    I’m guessing not many men get into West Side story. Or musicals in general.

    , @Good Vibes
    @ScarletNumber

    I've never heard a guy talk about a musical. This seems to be a specialty for Theater Kids no matter their age.

    I do think the NYC Jewish intellectual crowd likes them too.

    Westside is intended to promote race mixing, Puerto Rican and white. That was probably as far as they could go at the time. it's not real race mixing since Puerto Ricans could be white or they could be dark brown. But you get the idea.

    The show hit in 1957 and coincided with the forced integration in Arkansas. It was intended to take on racial segregation as a subtext. The song 'America' also had anti-American and anti-white subtext. As the song says life is all right in America if you're all white! It was meant as a criticism of white people and America.

  97. @Steve Sailer
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Obviously, I'm a huge fan of Pournelle and Niven, going back to my regret that for scheduling reasons I couldn't accept Jerry's son's invitation to go with the family to attend the 1976 science fiction convention at which Robert Heinlein was presented the Lifetime Achievement award.

    But my impression is the sequel to "The Mote in God's Eye" that featured "on the gripping hand" was inferior Niven and Pournelle.

    Replies: @Rob, @Danindc, @Good Vibes, @cthulhu, @SunBakedSuburb, @Clyde

    Scheduling reasons… they were killers back in 1975-6, Did Lee Iaccoca even have that new midget car out?

  98. @Altai
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0CL-ZSuCrQ

    Lin Manuel also tried the 'authenticity' trick to beat the 'West Side Story' remake to the punch with his own pseudo-remake 'In The Heights', what's interesting to me is that since it's made by a guy with an immigrant chip on his shoulder, he gives the characters his. motivation and perspective. Instead it flopped hard and now 'Hamilton' is going to be declared racist and replaced with the new 'Juneteenth' musical.

    The central conflict is some law that will deport all the illegal immigrants and the main character's quest to simultaneously get some legal stay or citizenship and to protest it.

    There's a lot of status-obsessed language 'dignity' etc. I wonder if it was supposed to be mood music for amnesty? Not that it did very well. Images of New York barrios and public pools etc with no non-Caribbeans did not excite joy in the hearts of white and black America nor did it with 'Latinx' audiences who mostly aren't Dominican or Puerto Rican despite thinking of the MBAs at Disney. (Pro tip, if you want people to sympathise with immigrants never show them monopolising public spaces or lots of children. Manuel, being an immigrant-supremecist, doesn't comprehend this.)

    I think it's because they've become so emboldened they don't realise you're supposed to wrap the awk shucks illegal immigrant or 'DREAMER' in an American flag and just pretend that they're exactly like any other young American with no alternative identity. But this movie looks like an immigration protest in LA or NYC, lots of Latin American flags that they don't realise doesn't send the right message but they can't help themselves. You're self-depicting yourself as an aggressive encroaching foreign force that engages in ethnic nepotism. In another era that would be called an invasion.

    Even the weird Spanish accent they put on the name ‘Washington Heights’ as though it was once and forever a Puerto Rican and Dominican enclave despite the name giving the game away. It’s all so tiresome. ‘It’s a story about a block that was disappearing’. No I’m pretty sure the buildings could remain and be repopulated without complaint. Why aren’t Americans grateful? If Puerto Ricans weren’t around all those brownstones in New York would be rotting in the fields. It’s sad, but what young American dreams of living in New York city?

    “You live by the rules”. Just not the immigration rules…

    ‘DR, PR, we’re not stoppin’.

    I just love the rap lyrics ‘We came to working and to live’, yes, at the expense of Americans, that’s the problem fam. The guy who wants immigration restrictions is looking for a better life for himself and his children too.

    Replies: @Elmer T. Jones, @Anon7, @Daniel H

    I can remember a time when Washington Heights was mostly white.

    The reality of the “Heights” today?

    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-20191011-qumo25l3hfallllnzeulzpt7yi-story.html

  99. Thanks for the Steyn link.

    If he wrote an essay on “Old MacDonald had a Farm,” I’d read every word.

  100. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    On Steve's question of whether people know the difference between Seth Rogan and Joe Rogan.

    Uh yes. Seth and Sarah Silverman put out an anti-White male Santa movie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PQruIfBVSs

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @AndrewR, @Barnard, @Fidelios Automata, @AnotherDad, @Clyde, @Jack D

    Very good vid. Thanks for posting

  101. @Good Vibes
    @Steve Sailer

    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I've never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.

    It's a big deal to the NYC theater crowd I take it. But I just hang out with middle and working class folks. Maybe some upper middle class sometimes. Never heard it mentioned.

    Replies: @D. K., @ScarletNumber, @Daniel H, @PhysicistDave, @Wilkey

    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.

    I can’t hum a single melody or recite a single lyrical line from West Side story.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Daniel H

    I can’t hum a single melody or recite a single lyrical line from West Side story.

    Me neither. Old Jewish joke; Herschel moves from the big city to Texas. He meets his neighbor and asks him what is Texas really like? His neighbor says "Everything is just bigger in Texas. I can get in my truck at dawn and drive until sundown and still not reach the end of my ranch!" Says Herschel "I know exactly what you mean,I also once had such a truck."

    , @Jack D
    @Daniel H

    Really? You don't know this one:

    https://youtu.be/_e2igZexpMs?t=57

    or this one?

    https://youtu.be/DyofWTw0bqY?t=31

    or this one?

    https://youtu.be/m7xTvb-FAhQ?t=125

    Have you been in a cave for the last 60 years?

    (The time stamp URLs don't come thru - start a 1 min for America , 30 sec for Maria and 2 mins. for Tonight.)

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Daniel H

    Adam Sandler sings bits and pieces from West Side Story:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9LZ35Ar3r2k

  102. @Mike Tre
    @Buffalo Joe

    Gruden was at his best the last couple years he did color. He seemed to abandon the "script" that he used to follow with false over enthusiasm and instead applied his impatient and critical coach's eye to the game play as well as the poor officiating.

    Before I stopped watching the NFL altogether, I used to watch the Bears games on mute but play the call on the the local WBBM am station, that featured very good play by play by local sportscaster Jeff Joniak and very good color by by former Joliet Catholic HS*, University of Notre Dame and Chicago Bears alum Tom Thayer (who's family owns a very good restaurant in Joliet still to this day; Thayer's mom would sit in the dining room almost everyday and mingle with guests up until her death last year. She was a very sweet lady.) One of the better things about the MLB that the other pro leagues never figured out is that having a local broadcast crew do the games makes the viewing experience much better. Joe Buck and Troy Aikman are considered to be one of the best NFL broadcasting crews but they are so bad I couldn't stand to listen to them.

    *John Gruden's superbowl winning white running back Mike Alstott is also a Joliet Catholic alum.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    One of the better things about the MLB that the other pro leagues never figured out is that having a local broadcast crew do the games makes the viewing experience much better.

    CBS used to do it this way, but correctly determined that it is more efficient to have one crew per game, not two. As for me, I get to listen to the Giants’ WFAN radio crew do their preseason games on WNBC-TV. Bob Papa isn’t bad on pxp, but Carl Banks is awful on color, but not as bad as Ray Lucas was on Rutgers color. Therefore, I just listen to whomever FOX assigns. Tomorrow is Chris Myers and Daryl Moose Johnson, but I would watch it no matter who the commentators were.

    The Giants used to use Dick Lynch and Dave Jennings on radio color, but they are no longer with us.

  103. @War for Blair Mountain
    The Democratic Party wants the Native White Working Class FUCKING DEAD!!!…on Lebraun James’s Plantation….

    Tucker Carlson disgusts me when he brings on Candace grifter Owens to comment on the newest BLM racial attack on Native Born White Working Class Humans…..I am really growing to hate this WASP…

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    After years of reading your posts, I still haven’t figured out if your’s is a parody account, or if you are someone in need of an intervention.

  104. @ScarletNumber
    @Good Vibes


    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.
     
    Yes, of course they do. You are revealing your ignorance here.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Good Vibes

    I’m guessing not many men get into West Side story. Or musicals in general.

  105. @Woodsie
    I've been watching old re-runs of Combat!, and the German dialogue is never translated. Just like in the new W.Side Story, you know who the bad guys are because their not speaking English. (/satire)

    ...connecting gentrification of New York’s slums in the 1950s to the two gangs battling over their shrinking turf as if their lives depend on it.

    1950s gentrification? Was that really a thing?
     

    It is if you consider the P.R.'s the gentrifiers. In 1950's New York they pushed out the Italians from East Harlem and Polish and Russian Jews from the Lower East Side.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez, @Nicholas Stix

    I’ve been watching old re-runs of Combat!…

    Me, too.

    What surprised me is how adult the show actually was. The same for my other childhood favorite, Twelve O’Clock High. They were obviously written with an audience that had lived through WW2 in mind. Serious themes like cowardice and loyalty. Some episodes have no combat at all.

    How the heck I sat through them as a 2nd grader astounds me!

  106. @Daniel H
    Does anybody give a flip about Puerto Ricans anymore? Does "anybody" give a flip about latinos/hispanics? Yeah, they have the numbers, but less traction than they had in the 50's - 80's.

    A clever write should create a script about the seething, hostile dynamics between whites, hindus and asians within contemporary, elite corporate, hi-social america.

    Replies: @BB753, @Colin Wright, @Father O'Hara, @Hypnotoad666

    A good movie would discuss the fighting between blacks and mexicans.

  107. @AceDeuce
    @Red Pill Angel

    Of course, 40 years before that, in 1910, Harlem was 90% White. In 1900 NYC, as a whole, was 99% White. (Harlem was still 30% White in 1930).

    Knigbos didn't build one building in Harlem,(which is named for a city in the Netherlands) and were just parasites and interlopers.

    Replies: @Red Pill Angel

    She was undoubtedly completely unconscious of the conflict between her eye for good 19th century urban architecture and her liberal 20th century sensibilities.

  108. You are just supposed to assume that they, being nonwhite, have the better of the argument.

    I think Americans who watched Patton would have missed a lot without the subtitles (“the perfect anachronism”), but I guess it’s possible that FFC, who always respects the intelligence of his audience, included subtitles because he wanted viewers to make up their owns minds about whether the Nazis were good or evil.

    My favorite omission of subtitles is when Michael Corleone listens to Salazzo plead for a truce. “Pensa antique ..” The shrill, climatic subway noise. Perfect. My least favorite was at the ending of Last of the Mohicans. Russell Means’s accented English. Dreadful.

  109. @Emil Nikola Richard
    Rita Moreno is still alive! (89 y.o.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e2igZexpMs

    She and Natalie Wood were the cosmopolitan precursors to Mary Ann and Ginger.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    She was interviewed by the black guy on 60 Minutes just last week. The segment was enjoyable but of course she had a #MeToo story from when she was a teenager and her agent seduced her.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @ScarletNumber

    She, George Chakiris, and Russ Tamblyn were on Turner Classic Movies, when it celebrated "West Side Story" (1961), earlier this year, in anticipation of the 2021 version, in which she also appears. She still is pissed off and resentful that Natalie Wood was chosen to star in the original film, rather than an actual Puerto Rican actress.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  110. @Anonymous
    Off-topic but very important: omicron is here!! Dr.Fauci belives masks a new quarantine might be necessary.

    https://youtu.be/xZpkN2ZQ71w

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    For the fully vaccinated the symptoms are very mild. The un-vaccinated appear to be immune to Omicron. 10o% of the known cases have been in people fully vaccinated.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
  111. @Reg Cæsar
    @Fidelios Automata


    I’d still do Silverman given the chance.
     
    Put the Mogen David over her face, and call it a mitzvah.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    Sarah Silverman even into her mid thirties was very pretty. Not beautiful, but pretty. Her entire act was having a pretty, tall girl with a more youthful face and a little girl voice say all sorts of un-PC “shocking” things producing shock laughter. Its why comics cuss all the time — to create shock which generates laughter. That stuff no longer works anymore, she is no longer young or pretty, and is a mid fifties woman. And no matter how attractive she is as a mid fifties woman, an average 25 year old will have her beat in looks and sex appeal. That’s just basic biology. Silverman has no kids, so she’s failed in the duty of Jewish women — have more kids. So no wonder she’s bitter, angry, with no husband or kids and nothing but a failed movie/TV career to look back on.

    Some dude spliced the late R. Lee Ermey’s “Gunnery Sgt. Hartmann” rant on top of one of the Rankin-Bass Santa Clause movies on Youtube and that was funnier than anything professional comedians could come up with. The movie just was not funny — it was far worse than that it was BORING. Reading the corporate financial reports of say Goldman-Sachs would be more entertaining.
    ———-
    But that is not the point, entertainment is not made for entertainment. No studio or streaming service wants a hit like the original Star Wars, the original Raiders, the original Iron Man, no nothing like that.

    The whole point is that mass ticket buying has been replaced by targeted data collection. Hollywood is not in the business and has not been for some time, of mass entertainment that is broadly appealing and makes money that way by being broadly appealing. See West Side PC Story where the director tells the potential ticket buyers they are racist.

    Nope, like Twitter and the rest, the idea is to more deeply harvest the data of the woke. See how they respond to certain emotional cues by fast forwarding or rewinding, re-watching etc. and sell, sell, sell that data. And sell it some more.

    That is why this West Side Story by Spielberg is boring. Its not meant for you any more than the Woke Santa movie is for you. It is for the woke, by the woke, meant to evoke among the woke deep feelings of hatred of ordinary White people so that woke corporations can sell the data when it goes streaming and caters to the woke.

    The days of mass entertainment are over, as is mass culture. White men have theirs, White women their wokeness, Latinos have Fast and the Furious plus the Rock, blacks have various black! y’all stuff. There is nothing and CAN BE NOTHING to unite all these people. Not now, not ever.

    • Agree: Kylie, Boomthorkell
  112. @Rob
    @Calvin Hobbes

    One day, perhaps soon, history will not be taught in schools. Not even yesterday’s muscular liberalism (now white supremacist) of “America was founded on equality. Our history is including more people in that equality over time.”

    No one will be allowed to teach white kids about American slavery or European colonialism. Lest they get white supreemist ideas. Knowledge of history will be one of the ways to sniff out BadThinking parents. Whites will get “whites bad! You are being punished for being so bad.” Non-whites will get cartoon colonialism. “Everyone was living in harmony with the earth when BadEuropeans developed the science and technology that cause global warming. They colonized you and tried to force European ways onto you. Then they left? The smart Asian (or Indian) says ‘if BadWhites are so bad, why did we follow them back to their countries?’ Haven’t you been listening,’ the 700 lb black teacher says, ‘because of colonialism’”

    Think about it. When critical race theory fails to uplift blacks, what then? Obviously, if focusing blacks on all the “wrongs” whites did them failed, then maybe just telling them that whites are bad without telling them why will Close the Gap. Some principal will “test” it by sorting the best behaved black first-grade girls into the experimental class and the dumbest, unruliest black boys into the CRT and show the BadWhites Bad! curriculum raises test scores vs CRT, which will then be cast as white supremeism. Every school in the country will implement the BadWhites Bad! K-12 program that she and her girlfriends get high and write that weekend.

    As long as white women are on the wrong side... Scratch that. The ship could have been turned around the day before Reagan’s amnesty (and prizes) for illegals. A country with a “conservative” President who would do that does not have the will to live. We did a lot of dumb things “to show those Ruskies!”.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Think about it. When critical race theory fails to uplift blacks, what then? Obviously, if focusing blacks on all the “wrongs” whites did them failed, then maybe just telling them that whites are bad without telling them why will Close the Gap.

    The main goal is to burden White kids with guilt and bring them into the cause. Make them submissive and burden them with blood guilt.

    There is no expectation that they can uplift Blacks. Liberals are moving to a strategy of handicapping Whites and getting rid of grades.

    Common Core math with group grading and White guilt history. That will be the new standard for most public schools.

  113. Get Pat McCrory. He got a lot of money 💰

  114. @ScarletNumber
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    She was interviewed by the black guy on 60 Minutes just last week. The segment was enjoyable but of course she had a #MeToo story from when she was a teenager and her agent seduced her.

    Replies: @D. K.

    She, George Chakiris, and Russ Tamblyn were on Turner Classic Movies, when it celebrated “West Side Story” (1961), earlier this year, in anticipation of the 2021 version, in which she also appears. She still is pissed off and resentful that Natalie Wood was chosen to star in the original film, rather than an actual Puerto Rican actress.

    • Thanks: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @D. K.

    Russ was 48 when his daughter Amber was born. Amber then proceeded to marry a man 19 years her senior.

  115. Reply to Steve’s tweet: According to Wikipedia, after a month-long engagement, Churchill married in September 1908. He’d entered new PM Asquith’s Cabinet as Prez of the Board of Trade in April, so a trip as prospective SIL must have been that summer. He became First Lord of the Admiralty in 1911. They used to flee London in summer because of the smell. Shooting season started in August, fox hunting in fall after the harvest.

  116. @Steve Sailer
    @Skyler the Weird

    After all, what did Bernstein's melodies contribute to "West Side Story?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SQ4ogstDVE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyofWTw0bqY

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Good Vibes, @james wilson, @Skyler the Weird

    No one has ever given credit to Beethoven for the opening of “Somewhere”. Leonard B. played that adagio often enough to remember where it came from. On the other end of the ego world Rachmaninoff gave credit to Pagannini where none was due for the fabulous melody in Rhapsody, which is Pagannini played upside down.

  117. @Fidelios Automata
    Trying to impose gringo gender neutrality on the beautiful Spanish language (a la Latinx) is imperialistic and racist.

    Replies: @fish

    You’ll want to make the white female grad student contingent aware of that immediately. They are just certain that you are doing your language wrong!

  118. @Anon
    OT: The parents of the Michigan shooter are being charged with involuntary manslaughter for letting their kid get hold of guns. Shooter is also being tried as an adult.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/04/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-saturday/index.html

    This looks like an important turning point in society. From now on, society may choose to crack down hard on families for raising their kids wrong if their kid turns out violent. Decent families are tired of their kids being killed because some trash family can't raise their own kids right. If you don't have the money to put your kids in private school, going hard after scum families and their scum kids is your last resort to keep decent kids safe.

    In liberal thinking, all behavior--including bad behavior--is learned, not innate. The logical conclusion of this is that parents are indeed responsible for training their kids to act like criminals. Therefore, liberals are beginning to think that parents should be tried as accessories if their kids break the law.

    Chinese law used to do this in feudal days, and they punished parents for raising criminal kids. Maybe the cultural shift is intended to pressure scum families into not having kids?

    Note this won't apply to black families, though it should. Even liberals realize if you jail all the worthless black parents, there aren't enough people left to take care of the ocean of scummy black kids.

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes, @flyingtiger, @Anonymous

    Note this won’t apply to black families, though it should. Even liberals realize if you jail all the worthless black parents, there aren’t enough people left to take care of the ocean of scummy black kids.

    I had the same thought. It’s inconceivable that the parents of a black teenage criminal would be charged, but:

    Parents of school shooter Ethan Crumbley, 15, WEEP in court as they plead not guilty to involuntary manslaughter charges and judge sets bail at \$500K: Couple were found hiding in a Detroit art studio less than a mile from Canadian border

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10274257/Fugitive-parents-Michigan-shooter-Ethan-Crumbley-ARRESTED.html

  119. @D. K.
    @ScarletNumber

    She, George Chakiris, and Russ Tamblyn were on Turner Classic Movies, when it celebrated "West Side Story" (1961), earlier this year, in anticipation of the 2021 version, in which she also appears. She still is pissed off and resentful that Natalie Wood was chosen to star in the original film, rather than an actual Puerto Rican actress.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Russ was 48 when his daughter Amber was born. Amber then proceeded to marry a man 19 years her senior.

  120. ” She still is pissed off and resentful that Natalie Wood was chosen to star in the original film, rather than an actual Puerto Rican actress.”

    George Chakiris is Greek, as is Gus Trikionis. Jose De Vega played Chino, but don’t get worked up–he was Filipino.

    The only Puerto Rican actress around who could possibly have played Maria was Rita Moreno, and she was five years older than Natalie Wood. That’s why Moreno’s pissed. Not because “a Puerto Rican” wasn’t cast, but because *she* wasn’t cast.

    Great piece by Steyn, thanks for linking it in.

    I never use subtitles, because I tend to listen to TV without watching it. I first realized this when I was “watching” Godzilla and realized I had no idea what was going on, because I wasn’t watching and couldn’t understand what was being said.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @education realist

    education realist wrote:


    The only Puerto Rican actress around who could possibly have played Maria was Rita Moreno, and she was five years older than Natalie Wood. That’s why Moreno’s pissed. Not because “a Puerto Rican” wasn’t cast, but because *she* wasn’t cast.
     
    Well, Moreno did win an Oscar for the role of Anita, which indeed was quite a juicy role: Natalie Wood got to be radiant and Moreno got to act. I'd say it worked out okay for Moreno.

    Wikipedia notes:

    Among her numerous accolades, Moreno is one of a few performers to have won the four major annual American entertainment awards: an Emmy, a Grammy, an Oscar, and a Tony. She is also one of 24 people who have achieved what is called the Triple Crown of Acting, with individual competitive Academy, Emmy and Tony awards for acting; she and Helen Hayes are the only two who have achieved both distinctions.
     
    And we all know who she is -- perhaps the most important point for a performer.

    Yeah, I think she has done okay.

    Replies: @Wilkey

  121. I like where this is going. When everything is racist . . . nothing will be racist.

  122. Clearly, the fact that none of you understand or speak Spanish makes you racist by default. My local CVS pharmacy plays Spanish-language music over the PA all day long, so it’s obviously time we all acknowledged the fact that white people are no longer the people who matter in this economy.

  123. Operation Daybreak (1975) – by far the best of several movies about the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich – has extensive scenes where the characters all speak German and there are no subtitles to help us out.

    I had thought it was a brave decision by the film-makers to add authenticity. It turns out the director had always intended subtitles to be used but a mix-up caused them to be omitted from the final print. Subtitles are now usually (but not always) added when the film is shown on TV.

    Anton Diffring was always being cast as a Nazi. including in Where Eagles Dare (1968).

    • Replies: @Joe S.Walker
    @Right_On

    At one time c.1950 publicists put out the word that Anton Diffring was romantically involved with the English actress Jean Kent. Many years later, Miss Kent remarked that he was "as queer as a three-pound note."

    Replies: @Right_On

  124. @D. K.
    @Good Vibes

    "Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.

    "It’s a big deal to the NYC theater crowd I take it. But I just hang out with middle and working class folks. Maybe some upper middle class sometimes. Never heard it mentioned."

    ***

    West Side Story is a 1961 American musical romantic drama film directed by Robert Wise and Jerome Robbins. With a screenplay by Ernest Lehman, the film is an adaptation of the 1957 Broadway musical of the same name, which in turn was inspired by Shakespeare's play Romeo and Juliet. It stars Natalie Wood, Richard Beymer, Russ Tamblyn, Rita Moreno, and George Chakiris, and was photographed by Daniel L. Fapp in Super Panavision 70. The music was composed by Leonard Bernstein, with lyrics by Stephen Sondheim.

    Released on October 18, 1961, through United Artists, the film received high praise from critics and viewers, and became the highest-grossing film of 1961. It was nominated for 11 Academy Awards and won 10, including Best Picture (in addition to a special award for Robbins), becoming the record holder for the most wins for a musical. West Side Story is regarded as one of the greatest musical films of all time. The film has been deemed "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" by the Library of Congress and was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry in 1997.[5] A new film adaptation of the same name by Steven Spielberg is set to be released on December 10, 2021.

    ***

    West Side Story was a commercial success upon its release. It became the highest-grossing film of 1961, earning rentals of $19,645,000 in the United States and Canada. It remained the highest-grossing musical film of all-time[34] until the release of The Sound of Music in 1965. The film grossed $44.1 million worldwide ($382 million in 2020). Because of profit participation, United Artists earned a profit of only $2.5 million on the film ($22 million in 2020).[35]

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Story_(1961_film)

    ***

    West Side Story is the soundtrack album to the 1961 film West Side Story, featuring music by Leonard Bernstein and lyrics by Stephen Sondheim. Released in 1961, the soundtrack spent 54 weeks at No. 1 on Billboard's album charts, giving it the longest run at No. 1 of any album in history,[2] although some lists instead credit Michael Jackson's Thriller, on the grounds that West Side Story was listed on a chart for stereo albums only at a time when many albums were recorded in mono.[3] In 1962, it won a Grammy award for "Best Sound Track Album – Original Cast." In the United States, it was the best-selling album of the 1960s,[4] certifying three times platinum by the RIAA on November 21, 1986.

    Though the album was released just a few years after the release of the original broadway cast recording, it is according to musical theater historian Ethan Mordden preferred by some to the earlier version both sentimentally, as the film succeeded in establishing the musical as a "popular masterpiece", and musically, as it contains "beefier orchestration".[5]

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Story_(1961_soundtrack)

    One of my older siblings bought the movie-soundtrack album, and it was very popular in our very blue-collar home, on the West Side of Gary, Indiana.

    When the 1961 film made its belated network-television debut, about a decade after its original theatrical release, when I was a high-school underclassman, it was considered a very big deal.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Steve Sailer

    West Side Story is perhaps the single-most commonly mounted high school musical production in America, since it has tons of roles for teens.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  125. @Hibernian
    @Paperback Writer

    In Chicago gentrification started on a small scale on the Near North Side in the early '60s. In the '50s large stretches of the North Side lakefront were almost as embattled as the South Side's Hyde Park near the University of Chicago.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @LP5, @Steve Sailer

    My condo in Uptown on the first block in from the lakefront was built in 1923 in an upscale manner with 9 foot ceilings and 1800 sf apartments. But then during the Depression, each apartment got broken up into two units. Finally, it was rehabbed in 1973 and restored to 7 room units. The area was okay but still unfashionable until briefly becoming fashionable at the end of the booming 1990s.

  126. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    That should be penix, Dad. You don't know the gender of the person pointing it! Get with the program.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Harry Baldwin

    That should be penix, Dad.

    As soon as I read this I knew it’s inevitable. Or is it already out there and I just hadn’t heard it yet?

  127. @Daniel H
    Does anybody give a flip about Puerto Ricans anymore? Does "anybody" give a flip about latinos/hispanics? Yeah, they have the numbers, but less traction than they had in the 50's - 80's.

    A clever write should create a script about the seething, hostile dynamics between whites, hindus and asians within contemporary, elite corporate, hi-social america.

    Replies: @BB753, @Colin Wright, @Father O'Hara, @Hypnotoad666

    They could reboot West Side Story as “South Central Story.” It would be set in LA and would tell the story of the Hispanic gangs keeping Blacks (and would-be gentrifying Whites) out of their neighborhoods. Singing, dancing, drug dealing, and murder. It writes itself.

  128. @ScarletNumber
    @Good Vibes


    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.
     
    Yes, of course they do. You are revealing your ignorance here.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Good Vibes

    I’ve never heard a guy talk about a musical. This seems to be a specialty for Theater Kids no matter their age.

    I do think the NYC Jewish intellectual crowd likes them too.

    Westside is intended to promote race mixing, Puerto Rican and white. That was probably as far as they could go at the time. it’s not real race mixing since Puerto Ricans could be white or they could be dark brown. But you get the idea.

    The show hit in 1957 and coincided with the forced integration in Arkansas. It was intended to take on racial segregation as a subtext. The song ‘America’ also had anti-American and anti-white subtext. As the song says life is all right in America if you’re all white! It was meant as a criticism of white people and America.

  129. “If I wanted to read, I’d go to school” — Beavis or Butthead on subtitles.

  130. Sent some dosh. Here’s to a healthy and prosperous 2022 to all.

  131. @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    Is either Lehman or Wise both Jewish and gay?
     
    Neither were gay. Lehman was Jewish. Wise wasn't.

    Lehman was a competent enough screen-writer (Executive Suite, North by Northwest, Family Plot). Wise, who was the editor on Citizen Kane, also directed The Sound of Music, The Andromeda Strain, The Hindenburg, and The (first) Star Trek Movie.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Don’t forget the original “The Day the Earth Stood Still” which holds up quite well!

  132. that commissioned Lin-Manuel Miranda to translate two of Sondheim’s lyrics, “I Feel Pretty”

    It’s charming, how alarming I feel.

    Subtitles (or, to be precise, supertitles)

    Don’t forget intertitles.

    have done a lot to preserve the popularity of opera over the last generation.

    Today’s Met radio opera was Matthew Aucoin’s Eurydice. It’s in English.

    I was going to ask if staging in the nude will be the next thing, but that has already been done. With an Algerian Berber soprano, no less.

  133. @AnotherDad

    The casting and subtle touches, like not subtitling the Spanish dialogue, also possess considerably more cultural authenticity than a period where non-Latinx actors would be cast in pivotal roles.
     
    If you don't want to have the young Natalie Wood on your team, there's something wrong with your penis.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Jack D

    The Russian Wood was a stunning beauty but not at all convincing as a Puerto Rican. Then again, Omar Sharif was not very convincing as a Russian either.

    Old Hollywood was more interested in screen magnetism than in authenticity. Maybe this was not completely dumb. One of the reasons that In The Heights flopped at the box office was a lack of big name stars. (Mexican, not PR or DR, so not very authentic anyway) actress Melissa Barrera, who was the romantic interest, is cute enough (although “People of Color” are, oddly enough, not very colorful – they tend toward everything being brown) but nobody says, “Let’s go to the Multiplex to catch that latest Melissa Barrera pic.”

    And in the year of Floyd, Miranda caught flak for not making his stars black enough. It’s true that he kind of lightened up his cast vs. the way that real Dominicans look, which is mostly blackish. Although the Spanish kept things whiter than across the border in Haiti or in the English Caribbean for that matter.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Then again, Omar Sharif was not very convincing as a Russian either.
     
    His most convincing role was as a bridge columnist.


    https://www.egypttoday.com/siteimages/Larg/11096.jpg

    Shari-i-if don't like it!
    Rock the contract!
    Rock the contract!

    Did he ever play with Buffett or Gates?

  134. @Good Vibes
    @Steve Sailer

    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I've never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.

    It's a big deal to the NYC theater crowd I take it. But I just hang out with middle and working class folks. Maybe some upper middle class sometimes. Never heard it mentioned.

    Replies: @D. K., @ScarletNumber, @Daniel H, @PhysicistDave, @Wilkey

    Good Vibes asked:

    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.

    Well… which musicals do you rate as being in a much higher class?

    Or maybe you just do not like Broadway musicals?

    Personally, I put it up there with Oklahoma!, The Music Man, etc.

    And, yes, I confess: I am still a fan of The Sound of Music.

    • Replies: @Good Vibes
    @PhysicistDave

    Nothing wrong with liking musicals

    But you must realize this is an unusual appetite for heterosexual men. A lot of guys obsess on sports. I don't. And then tons of guys like movies and TV shows.

    But not once in a working class or white collar environment have I heard a man bust out with his admiration for a musical!

    I'm just saying it's a specialty taste outside of women and gay guys.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PhysicistDave

  135. @Anon7
    @Altai

    I saw In the Heights; my overwhelming feeling about fifteen minutes in, just listening to the music, was that I was watching a Latino version of La La Land. Other impressions include the words "formulaic" and "meh".

    I laughed when I saw that Spielberg was putting out a West Side Story remake; I guess if you want to squeeze a few more shekalim out of that intellectual property, now's the time.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    I have never understood the alleged appeal of “In the Heights” – and I actually enjoy musicals. I have seen the stage production once and listened to the soundtrack at least three times before finally deleting the entire thing from iTunes. My wife is a bigger fan of musicals than I am and she really doesn’t care for it, either.

    Miranda’s music basically underwhelms me. Most of the numbers from “Moana” were awful. One or two were decent but nothing special. “Bring It On” had a few decent numbers, but he co-wrote the music for that with Tom Kitt. Even the music from “Hamilton” really isn’t all that good. I guess it would make more sense if I was 17.

    And compared to “In the Heights,” “La La Land” was genius.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  136. @Good Vibes
    @Steve Sailer

    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I've never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.

    It's a big deal to the NYC theater crowd I take it. But I just hang out with middle and working class folks. Maybe some upper middle class sometimes. Never heard it mentioned.

    Replies: @D. K., @ScarletNumber, @Daniel H, @PhysicistDave, @Wilkey

    Do actual people like the songs in West side story?

    Eh?

    If “Maria” or “Tonight” don’t immediately move you to commit a sexual indiscretion on the nearest available member of the opposite sex, then you need to get your testosterone levels checked.

    • LOL: PhysicistDave
  137. @PhysicistDave
    @Good Vibes

    Good Vibes asked:


    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.
     
    Well... which musicals do you rate as being in a much higher class?

    Or maybe you just do not like Broadway musicals?

    Personally, I put it up there with Oklahoma!, The Music Man, etc.

    And, yes, I confess: I am still a fan of The Sound of Music.

    Replies: @Good Vibes

    Nothing wrong with liking musicals

    But you must realize this is an unusual appetite for heterosexual men. A lot of guys obsess on sports. I don’t. And then tons of guys like movies and TV shows.

    But not once in a working class or white collar environment have I heard a man bust out with his admiration for a musical!

    I’m just saying it’s a specialty taste outside of women and gay guys.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Good Vibes

    Musicals used to be broadly popular. JFK, for instance, really liked musicals. Jackie picked the name for the legend of the Kennedy Administration from a musical Jack liked: "Camelot."

    My guess is that Lin-Manuel Miranda intended "Hamilton" to be a musical that would appeal to boys on 8th grade and 12th grade field trips to Manhattan, and was surprised that old boys on Wall Street liked it too.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Jack D

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Good Vibes

    Good Vibes wrote to me:


    But not once in a working class or white collar environment have I heard a man bust out with his admiration for a musical!
     
    Well... it's true that guys are more likely to bond over talk about sports or politics or cars.

    But, as Sailer says, at least in his and my youth it was quite common for heterosexual males to enjoy Broadway shows.

    In St. Louis, where I grew up, the city owned an open-air amphitheater (known as the "Muny") which put on a full schedule of musicals during the summer. It was common for families to go: I remember seeing Camelot in the summer of 1969 with my own family and my high-school girlfriend. (It was a bit of a surreal experience as my girlfriend explained to my mom the adulterous relationship between Lancelot and Guinevere!)

    My dad, who was certainly not gay, was a huge fan of The Music Man and The Sound of Music -- I learned some of the songs from him.

    My dad's side of the family was fairly musical -- perhaps an attraction for Broadway musicals is just a matter of family experience, the cultural patters in the city you grow up in, etc.

    Of course, Sailer and I also grew up in the shadow of the Golden Age of American Broadway musicals: it was easier to take an interest in musicals when each year brought something new -- Camelot, Fiddler on the Roof, Cabaret,, Hello, Dolly!, Man of La Mancha, etc.

    In the Heights
    is just not up there, I'm afraid.
  138. “The anonymous sound pro also pointed to what they view as an increase in the amount of music in modern movies compared to older films, bemoaning directors’ over-reliance on music as ‘pushing emotion’ on audiences and the way music and dialogue are forced to jostle for prominence in the mix.”

    “They.”

    In any event, I say garbage.

    During John Ford’s prime and beyond in the Sound Era, his pictures were saturated with music. In some scenes, a leitmotif would play in the foreground, while in others it would play in the background. In some scenes, professional musicians would play professional musicians, while in others, “civilians” would play instruments (organs, harmonicas, etc.). Characters would sing in saloons, in their homes, and on the road on the way home from work.

    And in case someone should say that’s just Ford (though even Ford lied about it, claiming at times to have wanted a spare score, and blaming the studio), look at the greatest composers of the Sound Era’s Golden Age, in no particular order: Max Steiner, Alfred Newman, Victor Young, Aaron Copland, Miklos Rosza, Erich Wolfgang Korngold, Dmitri Tiomkin, Bernard Hermann, et al.

  139. @education realist
    " She still is pissed off and resentful that Natalie Wood was chosen to star in the original film, rather than an actual Puerto Rican actress."

    George Chakiris is Greek, as is Gus Trikionis. Jose De Vega played Chino, but don't get worked up--he was Filipino.

    The only Puerto Rican actress around who could possibly have played Maria was Rita Moreno, and she was five years older than Natalie Wood. That's why Moreno's pissed. Not because "a Puerto Rican" wasn't cast, but because *she* wasn't cast.

    Great piece by Steyn, thanks for linking it in.

    I never use subtitles, because I tend to listen to TV without watching it. I first realized this when I was "watching" Godzilla and realized I had no idea what was going on, because I wasn't watching and couldn't understand what was being said.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    education realist wrote:

    The only Puerto Rican actress around who could possibly have played Maria was Rita Moreno, and she was five years older than Natalie Wood. That’s why Moreno’s pissed. Not because “a Puerto Rican” wasn’t cast, but because *she* wasn’t cast.

    Well, Moreno did win an Oscar for the role of Anita, which indeed was quite a juicy role: Natalie Wood got to be radiant and Moreno got to act. I’d say it worked out okay for Moreno.

    Wikipedia notes:

    Among her numerous accolades, Moreno is one of a few performers to have won the four major annual American entertainment awards: an Emmy, a Grammy, an Oscar, and a Tony. She is also one of 24 people who have achieved what is called the Triple Crown of Acting, with individual competitive Academy, Emmy and Tony awards for acting; she and Helen Hayes are the only two who have achieved both distinctions.

    And we all know who she is — perhaps the most important point for a performer.

    Yeah, I think she has done okay.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @PhysicistDave

    Moreno was more likely pissed because she didn't like being told that: 1) she was too old (30) to play Maria, and 2) Natalie Wood was prettier - a lot prettier.

    Well, at least Moreno outlived Wood.

  140. @Good Vibes
    @PhysicistDave

    Nothing wrong with liking musicals

    But you must realize this is an unusual appetite for heterosexual men. A lot of guys obsess on sports. I don't. And then tons of guys like movies and TV shows.

    But not once in a working class or white collar environment have I heard a man bust out with his admiration for a musical!

    I'm just saying it's a specialty taste outside of women and gay guys.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PhysicistDave

    Musicals used to be broadly popular. JFK, for instance, really liked musicals. Jackie picked the name for the legend of the Kennedy Administration from a musical Jack liked: “Camelot.”

    My guess is that Lin-Manuel Miranda intended “Hamilton” to be a musical that would appeal to boys on 8th grade and 12th grade field trips to Manhattan, and was surprised that old boys on Wall Street liked it too.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Steve Sailer

    It seems that virtually all Broadway productions these days are: 1) niche stuff, 2) jukebox musicals ("Jagged Little Pill," "Jersey Boys," etc.), 3) stage cartoons ("Wicked," or anything by Disney, apart from "Mary Poppins"), or 4) movie adaptations.

    The hit shows which typically bring in the straight men don't generally fit into any of those categories.

    Jukebox musicals can appeal to anyone, especially those raised in the relevant era. "Jersey Boys" appeals to older audiences, but also did a great deal to revive Frankie Valli's music for a younger generation. Ditto for "Mamma Mia" and the music of Abba. They don't tend to work in reverse, though. I doubt many 60-year-olds are buying up Green Day albums because they caught an unfortunate production of "American Idiot."

    Theatre snobs may turn up their noses at shows by Andrew Lloyd-Webber, or even "Les Mis," but ALW injected a hugely needed dose of testosterone into the genre. Plenty of straight, heterosexual men enjoy his shows - "Phantom," "Evita," "Sunset Boulevard," "Joseph," etc., and they were huge successes because straight men were more than happy to buy tickets to them. My dad caught a performance of "Evita" while rapidly approaching retirement age and immediately went out and bought three or four ALW CDs. And I know more than one straight man who has seen "Phantom" a dozen times or more. The snobs may prefer shows with "intelligent" lyrics by men like Sondheim or Jason Robert Brown. Nothing against Sondheim (and everything against Brown) but the genre is called "musicals" and not "lyricals" for a reason. Smart lyrics are nice. Great music is essential.

    Anyway, all that is just to say that the genre does work and has worked for plenty of virile straight men. All it needs is someone able and willing to write for us, and a producer willing to produce it.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @John Johnson

    , @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    As you point out, Broadway shows were once a widely popular and beloved entertainment, loved by all (and all includes heterosexual men). At what point (and why) did Broadway musicals become associated with "something that gay men like"? Having a reputation for being "something that gay men like" is not good for generating business among heterosexual men, especially younger men who are less confident of their sexuality.

    Now, quite obviously (in retrospect) Broadway musicals were ALWAYS something that gay men liked (and wrote) from Cole Porter onward. But they did not (at least to the general audience - everyone on Broadway knew Porter's orientation) have a toxic reputation as such. When and why did that change such that straight men could no longer confidently admit that they were fans too?

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

  141. • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    When the host started saying to "really listen" to Cole Porter lyrics for homosexual subtexts, I cut him off. He's full of crap.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  142. Meh … subtitles are for p***ies … spend a little time learning another language or seven.

  143. @Good Vibes
    @PhysicistDave

    Nothing wrong with liking musicals

    But you must realize this is an unusual appetite for heterosexual men. A lot of guys obsess on sports. I don't. And then tons of guys like movies and TV shows.

    But not once in a working class or white collar environment have I heard a man bust out with his admiration for a musical!

    I'm just saying it's a specialty taste outside of women and gay guys.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PhysicistDave

    Good Vibes wrote to me:

    But not once in a working class or white collar environment have I heard a man bust out with his admiration for a musical!

    Well… it’s true that guys are more likely to bond over talk about sports or politics or cars.

    But, as Sailer says, at least in his and my youth it was quite common for heterosexual males to enjoy Broadway shows.

    In St. Louis, where I grew up, the city owned an open-air amphitheater (known as the “Muny”) which put on a full schedule of musicals during the summer. It was common for families to go: I remember seeing Camelot in the summer of 1969 with my own family and my high-school girlfriend. (It was a bit of a surreal experience as my girlfriend explained to my mom the adulterous relationship between Lancelot and Guinevere!)

    My dad, who was certainly not gay, was a huge fan of The Music Man and The Sound of Music — I learned some of the songs from him.

    My dad’s side of the family was fairly musical — perhaps an attraction for Broadway musicals is just a matter of family experience, the cultural patters in the city you grow up in, etc.

    Of course, Sailer and I also grew up in the shadow of the Golden Age of American Broadway musicals: it was easier to take an interest in musicals when each year brought something new — Camelot, Fiddler on the Roof, Cabaret,, Hello, Dolly!, Man of La Mancha, etc.

    In the Heights
    is just not up there, I’m afraid.

  144. @Steve Sailer
    @Good Vibes

    Musicals used to be broadly popular. JFK, for instance, really liked musicals. Jackie picked the name for the legend of the Kennedy Administration from a musical Jack liked: "Camelot."

    My guess is that Lin-Manuel Miranda intended "Hamilton" to be a musical that would appeal to boys on 8th grade and 12th grade field trips to Manhattan, and was surprised that old boys on Wall Street liked it too.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Jack D

    It seems that virtually all Broadway productions these days are: 1) niche stuff, 2) jukebox musicals (“Jagged Little Pill,” “Jersey Boys,” etc.), 3) stage cartoons (“Wicked,” or anything by Disney, apart from “Mary Poppins”), or 4) movie adaptations.

    The hit shows which typically bring in the straight men don’t generally fit into any of those categories.

    Jukebox musicals can appeal to anyone, especially those raised in the relevant era. “Jersey Boys” appeals to older audiences, but also did a great deal to revive Frankie Valli’s music for a younger generation. Ditto for “Mamma Mia” and the music of Abba. They don’t tend to work in reverse, though. I doubt many 60-year-olds are buying up Green Day albums because they caught an unfortunate production of “American Idiot.”

    Theatre snobs may turn up their noses at shows by Andrew Lloyd-Webber, or even “Les Mis,” but ALW injected a hugely needed dose of testosterone into the genre. Plenty of straight, heterosexual men enjoy his shows – “Phantom,” “Evita,” “Sunset Boulevard,” “Joseph,” etc., and they were huge successes because straight men were more than happy to buy tickets to them. My dad caught a performance of “Evita” while rapidly approaching retirement age and immediately went out and bought three or four ALW CDs. And I know more than one straight man who has seen “Phantom” a dozen times or more. The snobs may prefer shows with “intelligent” lyrics by men like Sondheim or Jason Robert Brown. Nothing against Sondheim (and everything against Brown) but the genre is called “musicals” and not “lyricals” for a reason. Smart lyrics are nice. Great music is essential.

    Anyway, all that is just to say that the genre does work and has worked for plenty of virile straight men. All it needs is someone able and willing to write for us, and a producer willing to produce it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    Anyway, all that is just to say that the genre does work...
     
    You give us an (accurate) laundry list of the types of shows that make it on Broadway nowadays and almost none of them are brand new (but old-fashioned type) musicals in the Broadway tradition. So in what sense does the genre still work?

    Sondheim has been endlessly revived, but his last big original production hit on Broadway was Into the Woods in 1987, which is a LONG time ago. Sondheim blamed it on age but I think it was more that times have changed and the art form no longer resonates with a new generation. Now, art forms that have become "classical" can live on in revival for hundreds or even thousand of years (people still put on Greek tragedies by Euripedes) but that's different than being a living art form.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Wilkey


    Nothing against Sondheim (and everything against Brown) but the genre is called “musicals” and not “lyricals” for a reason. Smart lyrics are nice. Great music is essential.
     
    As the recently-departed Albertosaurus aka Pat Boyle once observed - good lyrics are a dime a dozen, whereas good melodies are as scarce as hen's teeth.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @John Johnson
    @Wilkey

    I'm not a fan of musicals but I would go to Les Miserables if it was a decent performance and had a reasonable price.

    That is the problem I see with these musicals. They expect you to pay over $100 a ticket and then have the audacity to charge you $9 for a beer during the intermission. Add $20 for parking...then there is dinner......just not a great value. Maybe if you are in NYC and the wife wants to go but anywhere else seems like a meh unless there really isn't much going on.

    I've watched about 10 minutes of newsies. Wow, so incredibly gay. Same for west side story. Can't believe how many straight guys are dragged to those. Les Mis has some historical context but when did gang members ever dance around like faggots? I'm just not getting it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  145. @PhysicistDave
    @education realist

    education realist wrote:


    The only Puerto Rican actress around who could possibly have played Maria was Rita Moreno, and she was five years older than Natalie Wood. That’s why Moreno’s pissed. Not because “a Puerto Rican” wasn’t cast, but because *she* wasn’t cast.
     
    Well, Moreno did win an Oscar for the role of Anita, which indeed was quite a juicy role: Natalie Wood got to be radiant and Moreno got to act. I'd say it worked out okay for Moreno.

    Wikipedia notes:

    Among her numerous accolades, Moreno is one of a few performers to have won the four major annual American entertainment awards: an Emmy, a Grammy, an Oscar, and a Tony. She is also one of 24 people who have achieved what is called the Triple Crown of Acting, with individual competitive Academy, Emmy and Tony awards for acting; she and Helen Hayes are the only two who have achieved both distinctions.
     
    And we all know who she is -- perhaps the most important point for a performer.

    Yeah, I think she has done okay.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Moreno was more likely pissed because she didn’t like being told that: 1) she was too old (30) to play Maria, and 2) Natalie Wood was prettier – a lot prettier.

    Well, at least Moreno outlived Wood.

  146. @Ray P
    @AnotherDad

    Spielberg should have made it West Bank Story: the orthodox Jewish settler gang vs. the Palestinian Arab gang. "Everyone's coming to Israel/Everyone's coming to Israel".

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    Adam Sandler already made that movie called “You Don’t Mess With the Zohan.” The conflict between Israelis and Palestinians is resolved in New York, where they team up to fight a real-estate developer.

  147. @Steve Sailer
    @Good Vibes

    Musicals used to be broadly popular. JFK, for instance, really liked musicals. Jackie picked the name for the legend of the Kennedy Administration from a musical Jack liked: "Camelot."

    My guess is that Lin-Manuel Miranda intended "Hamilton" to be a musical that would appeal to boys on 8th grade and 12th grade field trips to Manhattan, and was surprised that old boys on Wall Street liked it too.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Jack D

    As you point out, Broadway shows were once a widely popular and beloved entertainment, loved by all (and all includes heterosexual men). At what point (and why) did Broadway musicals become associated with “something that gay men like”? Having a reputation for being “something that gay men like” is not good for generating business among heterosexual men, especially younger men who are less confident of their sexuality.

    Now, quite obviously (in retrospect) Broadway musicals were ALWAYS something that gay men liked (and wrote) from Cole Porter onward. But they did not (at least to the general audience – everyone on Broadway knew Porter’s orientation) have a toxic reputation as such. When and why did that change such that straight men could no longer confidently admit that they were fans too?

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    @Jack D

    As an enjoyer of plays and musicals, and a former theatre kid, I suspect the general trend is the same reason opera, which was a great passion amongst lay Italian peasants, eventually became the domain of "the elite": most people like what is most exciting. Plays and musicals were the most exciting medium in their time. Radio Dramas were a big hit, but obviously weren't visually stimulating. It took a while for Television and Cinema to catch up. When they did, they surpassed musicals, and the majority of the population did what they always did: naturally shift to the most exciting media. This leaves the diehards, the poseurs, the elite, and the people who just "like a certain quality" of whatever the older medium was.

  148. @Wilkey
    @Steve Sailer

    It seems that virtually all Broadway productions these days are: 1) niche stuff, 2) jukebox musicals ("Jagged Little Pill," "Jersey Boys," etc.), 3) stage cartoons ("Wicked," or anything by Disney, apart from "Mary Poppins"), or 4) movie adaptations.

    The hit shows which typically bring in the straight men don't generally fit into any of those categories.

    Jukebox musicals can appeal to anyone, especially those raised in the relevant era. "Jersey Boys" appeals to older audiences, but also did a great deal to revive Frankie Valli's music for a younger generation. Ditto for "Mamma Mia" and the music of Abba. They don't tend to work in reverse, though. I doubt many 60-year-olds are buying up Green Day albums because they caught an unfortunate production of "American Idiot."

    Theatre snobs may turn up their noses at shows by Andrew Lloyd-Webber, or even "Les Mis," but ALW injected a hugely needed dose of testosterone into the genre. Plenty of straight, heterosexual men enjoy his shows - "Phantom," "Evita," "Sunset Boulevard," "Joseph," etc., and they were huge successes because straight men were more than happy to buy tickets to them. My dad caught a performance of "Evita" while rapidly approaching retirement age and immediately went out and bought three or four ALW CDs. And I know more than one straight man who has seen "Phantom" a dozen times or more. The snobs may prefer shows with "intelligent" lyrics by men like Sondheim or Jason Robert Brown. Nothing against Sondheim (and everything against Brown) but the genre is called "musicals" and not "lyricals" for a reason. Smart lyrics are nice. Great music is essential.

    Anyway, all that is just to say that the genre does work and has worked for plenty of virile straight men. All it needs is someone able and willing to write for us, and a producer willing to produce it.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @John Johnson

    Anyway, all that is just to say that the genre does work…

    You give us an (accurate) laundry list of the types of shows that make it on Broadway nowadays and almost none of them are brand new (but old-fashioned type) musicals in the Broadway tradition. So in what sense does the genre still work?

    Sondheim has been endlessly revived, but his last big original production hit on Broadway was Into the Woods in 1987, which is a LONG time ago. Sondheim blamed it on age but I think it was more that times have changed and the art form no longer resonates with a new generation. Now, art forms that have become “classical” can live on in revival for hundreds or even thousand of years (people still put on Greek tragedies by Euripedes) but that’s different than being a living art form.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    Sondheim has been endlessly revived, but his last big original production hit on Broadway was Into the Woods in 1987, which is a LONG time ago. Sondheim blamed it on age but I think it was more that times have changed and the art form no longer resonates with a new generation. Now, art forms that have become “classical” can live on in revival for hundreds or even thousand of years (people still put on Greek tragedies by Euripedes) but that’s different than being a living art form.
     
    You usually write great comments, Jack, but here you're just making yourself ridiculous. There are any number of Broadway productions which gross - perhaps in just a single year - more than several years' worth of Greek tragedies produced in the US, or even the entire world. "The Lion King" has grossed over $8 billion during its ~25 year run, and "Phantom" has grossed over $6 billion.

    Just in my county of ~1.2 million people we have built two new, $100 million+ theatres in the last decade - one for Broadway tours, and one of which is a "community theatre." Both theatres routinely sell out their productions. The shows at the 911-seat community theatre run for 2-3 months, with sometimes 2-3 performances a day. Next April-May they're putting on "School of Rock," one of the lesser Andrew Lloyd-Webber musicals, for 65 performances. Do the math: 65 performances times 911 seats is almost 60,000 seats, at least 90% of which will have butts in them when the (hypothetical) curtain rises. Again, that's in a county of 1.2 million people. There is actually a ~500-seat theatre in the same building which sells out most shows, as well.

    The Broadway musical is still a very popular art form, which is maybe remarkable given the rise of all the other cheaper, more convenient art forms since its debut. Financially it is doing just fine. The problem it has is a marketing problem - specifically a problem marketing to heterosexual men. And the reason it mostly fails to market to us is because 80-90% of its product isn't targeted at us. But the reason it isn't marketing very well to straight men isn't because it can't, but because it doesn't feel the need to.

    There are plenty of straight men taking their daughters (and sometimes sons) to see "Frozen" or whatever, but that's for the kids. There are plenty of straight men going to shows like "Jersey Boys" (actually written by a gay man) but those songs aren't new. Then there are shows like "Kinky Boots," a Cyndi Lauper musical about an actual shoe company that rescued itself by making boots for trannies. The subject matter may be a turn-off for your average straight guy, but the show was actually quite good.

    Just to list a few shows produced in the last 11 years that have appealed to plenty of straight men: Memphis, American Idiot, Million Dollar Quartet, The Book of Mormon, Once, Newsies, Nice Work If You Can Get It, Something Rotten, Hamilton, Bright Star, School of Rock, Dear Evan Hansen, Groundhog Day, Come From Away, Hadestown, Moulin Rouge, and Jagged Little Pill. And that's just from the list of Tony nominees.

    But the other problem Broadway has is that, even when it gets the subject matter right, there often just aren't many take-home numbers (at least not new ones - see: jukebox musicals) that people are rushing home to download. Not many composers have produced greatest hits compilations worth buying since ALW did so back in the 90s.

    But the art form still has a lot of life left in it, and plenty of room to attract us if they feel the need to do so. In fact their most successful shows by far (Phantom, Les Mis, Chicago, The Lion King, Hamilton) are the ones with music and/or subject matter that appeal to straight men. It's not a dying art form. It's an art form that has failed or chosen not to market to straight men with new material.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

  149. @Barnard
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Ramzpaul put a video arguing this was produced in an effort to invite a backlash against it so they could make charges of Anti-Semitism. This column by Jewish actor Joshua Malina seemed to appear out of the blue in the Atlantic this week, arguing Hollywood should cancel Mel Gibson. Where I live there was a local report in the about Anti-Semitism on the rise with the only examples being a couple of stickers being left somewhere. The question I have is, why do all this now, is the ADL hurting for donations?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2021/12/mel-gibson-anti-semitism/620873/

    Replies: @El Dato

    ADL’s financial statements are to be finalized?

    There was also a “white supremacist” demonstration in DC which looked suspiciously engineered from whole cloth and DNC volunteers.

    SPLC and ADL are on the case!

  150. @Right_On
    Operation Daybreak (1975) - by far the best of several movies about the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich - has extensive scenes where the characters all speak German and there are no subtitles to help us out.

    I had thought it was a brave decision by the film-makers to add authenticity. It turns out the director had always intended subtitles to be used but a mix-up caused them to be omitted from the final print. Subtitles are now usually (but not always) added when the film is shown on TV.

    Anton Diffring was always being cast as a Nazi. including in Where Eagles Dare (1968).

    Replies: @Joe S.Walker

    At one time c.1950 publicists put out the word that Anton Diffring was romantically involved with the English actress Jean Kent. Many years later, Miss Kent remarked that he was “as queer as a three-pound note.”

    • Replies: @Right_On
    @Joe S.Walker

    Didn't know about his proclivities. Wiki tells me Diffring died in 1989 of complications from AIDS, so he was an early victim of "the gay plague".

  151. @Mike Tre
    @AnotherDad

    Jack D - you're Justification Train is leaving.

    Replies: @Jack D

    And “you’re” eighth grade education level is showing. Not a good look.

    Call for the Jews (and African-Americans) to go “back” to whence they came are as old as the hills. Why doesn’t anyone ever suggest that white trash go back to the Scots-Irish borderlands? You first.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Jack D

    LOL - Sailer makes as many or more typos as eye dew.

    To answer you question, Scots Irish (and Italians, Germans, and French for that matter) don't actively work do destroy this country like the jews and "African-Americans" (lol) do. Same reason people keep cats but not raccoons as pets.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  152. @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    As you point out, Broadway shows were once a widely popular and beloved entertainment, loved by all (and all includes heterosexual men). At what point (and why) did Broadway musicals become associated with "something that gay men like"? Having a reputation for being "something that gay men like" is not good for generating business among heterosexual men, especially younger men who are less confident of their sexuality.

    Now, quite obviously (in retrospect) Broadway musicals were ALWAYS something that gay men liked (and wrote) from Cole Porter onward. But they did not (at least to the general audience - everyone on Broadway knew Porter's orientation) have a toxic reputation as such. When and why did that change such that straight men could no longer confidently admit that they were fans too?

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

    As an enjoyer of plays and musicals, and a former theatre kid, I suspect the general trend is the same reason opera, which was a great passion amongst lay Italian peasants, eventually became the domain of “the elite”: most people like what is most exciting. Plays and musicals were the most exciting medium in their time. Radio Dramas were a big hit, but obviously weren’t visually stimulating. It took a while for Television and Cinema to catch up. When they did, they surpassed musicals, and the majority of the population did what they always did: naturally shift to the most exciting media. This leaves the diehards, the poseurs, the elite, and the people who just “like a certain quality” of whatever the older medium was.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  153. I remember seeing 12 Monkeys (1995) when it was first released. There was too much noise, too much whispering and mumbling.

  154. @Jack D
    @Mike Tre

    And "you're" eighth grade education level is showing. Not a good look.

    Call for the Jews (and African-Americans) to go "back" to whence they came are as old as the hills. Why doesn't anyone ever suggest that white trash go back to the Scots-Irish borderlands? You first.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    LOL – Sailer makes as many or more typos as eye dew.

    To answer you question, Scots Irish (and Italians, Germans, and French for that matter) don’t actively work do destroy this country like the jews and “African-Americans” (lol) do. Same reason people keep cats but not raccoons as pets.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Mike Tre

    Racoons make awesome pets, but were essentially designed to store rabies, plus when they get old they become hostile with insanity, like chimpanzees (a sign of intelligence? If the octopus lived as long as a corrupt politician, would they go insane?).
    Apparently opossums make great pets (and literally cannot get rabies because of their bizarre physiology) but are unpopular because they're ugly.

  155. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    If your looking for any signs of hope for humanity this holiday season, check out the comments on HBOMax’s Santa Inc Facebook page (unless of course it’s been scrubbed by the time you get to it).
    https://fb.watch/9FSAy-Aj9L/

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Escher, @Lurker

    Let’s not forget it’s IMDb page either:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12286260/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    More importantly it’s rating page:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12286260/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    It’s getting hammered.

    If you’ve got an IMDb account, you know what to do. And if you don’t have one, then go set one up now. And then do what needs to be done.

  156. @Daniel H
    @Good Vibes


    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.
     
    I can't hum a single melody or recite a single lyrical line from West Side story.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jack D, @Johann Ricke

    I can’t hum a single melody or recite a single lyrical line from West Side story.

    Me neither. Old Jewish joke; Herschel moves from the big city to Texas. He meets his neighbor and asks him what is Texas really like? His neighbor says “Everything is just bigger in Texas. I can get in my truck at dawn and drive until sundown and still not reach the end of my ranch!” Says Herschel “I know exactly what you mean,I also once had such a truck.”

  157. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    On Steve's question of whether people know the difference between Seth Rogan and Joe Rogan.

    Uh yes. Seth and Sarah Silverman put out an anti-White male Santa movie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PQruIfBVSs

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @AndrewR, @Barnard, @Fidelios Automata, @AnotherDad, @Clyde, @Jack D

    Seth and Sarah Silverman put out an anti-White male Santa movie.

    As far as I can tell, they are the voice actors in a cartoon. The last time I checked, actors read from a script written by others and do not “put out” movies (or TV series – Santa Inc. is not a movie).

    The person most responsible for Santa Inc. is one Alexandra Rushfield. I really don’t know where Alexandra rates on the Jew scale nor is it really relevant whether her ancestors arrived on the Mayflower or at Ellis Island. Alexandra is best known for “Parks and Recreation”. This show is not my cup of tea but enough people liked it for it to be a hit. Santa Inc. has the makings of a flop – this is how Hollywood goes – you win some and you lose some. If you win one, people will think that you know the secret of hit making and will throw money at you. If you lose enough in a row, no one will give you money anymore.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    The big deal here is not inside Pedowood but in those comments. They're not bots, they can't all be poltards (I have not partaken), and they represent a level of goyimknowing which has probably not happened before in this country (at least recently). People have lost a shocking amount in order to fight Covid as effectively as we civilized Afghanistan, they specifically had one and perhaps two celebrations of Christmas taken away from them for nothing, and now on top of it all they have to tolerate a talentless millionaire deliberately mocking them? If there was a formal Jewish conspiracy, you could have some middle manager guy like in Barton Fink catch Seth before his latest big idea becomes public, sit him down, and say, "maybe not this year."

    , @D. K.
    @Jack D

    According to this article, Rushfield is one of yours, Jack:

    https://poptopic.com.au/article/meet-the-writers-cast-of-the-worst-christmas-show-ever-santa-inc/

    "Rushfield is a Jewish woman who does not celebrate Christmas."

    Replies: @Jack D

  158. Getting Geoff Shepard’s new book The Nixon Conspiracy, which benefits from previously unavailable documents.

  159. @Mike Tre
    @Jack D

    LOL - Sailer makes as many or more typos as eye dew.

    To answer you question, Scots Irish (and Italians, Germans, and French for that matter) don't actively work do destroy this country like the jews and "African-Americans" (lol) do. Same reason people keep cats but not raccoons as pets.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Racoons make awesome pets, but were essentially designed to store rabies, plus when they get old they become hostile with insanity, like chimpanzees (a sign of intelligence? If the octopus lived as long as a corrupt politician, would they go insane?).
    Apparently opossums make great pets (and literally cannot get rabies because of their bizarre physiology) but are unpopular because they’re ugly.

  160. @Ralph L
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    The correct nerd-speak phrase for this ideation is “on the gripping hand.”

    Or wanking hand.

    On newer streaming shows, the music is much louder than the dialogue.

    Replies: @El Dato

    I don’t think moties wank.

    That’s why they are so numerous.

  161. @Jack D
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    Seth and Sarah Silverman put out an anti-White male Santa movie.
     
    As far as I can tell, they are the voice actors in a cartoon. The last time I checked, actors read from a script written by others and do not "put out" movies (or TV series - Santa Inc. is not a movie).

    The person most responsible for Santa Inc. is one Alexandra Rushfield. I really don't know where Alexandra rates on the Jew scale nor is it really relevant whether her ancestors arrived on the Mayflower or at Ellis Island. Alexandra is best known for "Parks and Recreation". This show is not my cup of tea but enough people liked it for it to be a hit. Santa Inc. has the makings of a flop - this is how Hollywood goes - you win some and you lose some. If you win one, people will think that you know the secret of hit making and will throw money at you. If you lose enough in a row, no one will give you money anymore.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @D. K.

    The big deal here is not inside Pedowood but in those comments. They’re not bots, they can’t all be poltards (I have not partaken), and they represent a level of goyimknowing which has probably not happened before in this country (at least recently). People have lost a shocking amount in order to fight Covid as effectively as we civilized Afghanistan, they specifically had one and perhaps two celebrations of Christmas taken away from them for nothing, and now on top of it all they have to tolerate a talentless millionaire deliberately mocking them? If there was a formal Jewish conspiracy, you could have some middle manager guy like in Barton Fink catch Seth before his latest big idea becomes public, sit him down, and say, “maybe not this year.”

  162. @Daniel H
    @Good Vibes


    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.
     
    I can't hum a single melody or recite a single lyrical line from West Side story.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jack D, @Johann Ricke

    Really? You don’t know this one:

    or this one?

    or this one?

    Have you been in a cave for the last 60 years?

    (The time stamp URLs don’t come thru – start a 1 min for America , 30 sec for Maria and 2 mins. for Tonight.)

  163. @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    Anyway, all that is just to say that the genre does work...
     
    You give us an (accurate) laundry list of the types of shows that make it on Broadway nowadays and almost none of them are brand new (but old-fashioned type) musicals in the Broadway tradition. So in what sense does the genre still work?

    Sondheim has been endlessly revived, but his last big original production hit on Broadway was Into the Woods in 1987, which is a LONG time ago. Sondheim blamed it on age but I think it was more that times have changed and the art form no longer resonates with a new generation. Now, art forms that have become "classical" can live on in revival for hundreds or even thousand of years (people still put on Greek tragedies by Euripedes) but that's different than being a living art form.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Sondheim has been endlessly revived, but his last big original production hit on Broadway was Into the Woods in 1987, which is a LONG time ago. Sondheim blamed it on age but I think it was more that times have changed and the art form no longer resonates with a new generation. Now, art forms that have become “classical” can live on in revival for hundreds or even thousand of years (people still put on Greek tragedies by Euripedes) but that’s different than being a living art form.

    You usually write great comments, Jack, but here you’re just making yourself ridiculous. There are any number of Broadway productions which gross – perhaps in just a single year – more than several years’ worth of Greek tragedies produced in the US, or even the entire world. “The Lion King” has grossed over \$8 billion during its ~25 year run, and “Phantom” has grossed over \$6 billion.

    Just in my county of ~1.2 million people we have built two new, \$100 million+ theatres in the last decade – one for Broadway tours, and one of which is a “community theatre.” Both theatres routinely sell out their productions. The shows at the 911-seat community theatre run for 2-3 months, with sometimes 2-3 performances a day. Next April-May they’re putting on “School of Rock,” one of the lesser Andrew Lloyd-Webber musicals, for 65 performances. Do the math: 65 performances times 911 seats is almost 60,000 seats, at least 90% of which will have butts in them when the (hypothetical) curtain rises. Again, that’s in a county of 1.2 million people. There is actually a ~500-seat theatre in the same building which sells out most shows, as well.

    The Broadway musical is still a very popular art form, which is maybe remarkable given the rise of all the other cheaper, more convenient art forms since its debut. Financially it is doing just fine. The problem it has is a marketing problem – specifically a problem marketing to heterosexual men. And the reason it mostly fails to market to us is because 80-90% of its product isn’t targeted at us. But the reason it isn’t marketing very well to straight men isn’t because it can’t, but because it doesn’t feel the need to.

    There are plenty of straight men taking their daughters (and sometimes sons) to see “Frozen” or whatever, but that’s for the kids. There are plenty of straight men going to shows like “Jersey Boys” (actually written by a gay man) but those songs aren’t new. Then there are shows like “Kinky Boots,” a Cyndi Lauper musical about an actual shoe company that rescued itself by making boots for trannies. The subject matter may be a turn-off for your average straight guy, but the show was actually quite good.

    Just to list a few shows produced in the last 11 years that have appealed to plenty of straight men: Memphis, American Idiot, Million Dollar Quartet, The Book of Mormon, Once, Newsies, Nice Work If You Can Get It, Something Rotten, Hamilton, Bright Star, School of Rock, Dear Evan Hansen, Groundhog Day, Come From Away, Hadestown, Moulin Rouge, and Jagged Little Pill. And that’s just from the list of Tony nominees.

    But the other problem Broadway has is that, even when it gets the subject matter right, there often just aren’t many take-home numbers (at least not new ones – see: jukebox musicals) that people are rushing home to download. Not many composers have produced greatest hits compilations worth buying since ALW did so back in the 90s.

    But the art form still has a lot of life left in it, and plenty of room to attract us if they feel the need to do so. In fact their most successful shows by far (Phantom, Les Mis, Chicago, The Lion King, Hamilton) are the ones with music and/or subject matter that appeal to straight men. It’s not a dying art form. It’s an art form that has failed or chosen not to market to straight men with new material.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Wilkey

    Tourists attend shows diffrent from the ones locals do, and are willing to pay more, as it's once-in-a-lifetime "mad money" for them. In the case of adaptations, that they know the story beforehand makes the experience even easier. Just concentrate on the spectacle, unavailable at home.

    , @John Johnson
    @Wilkey

    The Broadway musical is still a very popular art form, which is maybe remarkable given the rise of all the other cheaper, more convenient art forms since its debut. Financially it is doing just fine. The problem it has is a marketing problem – specifically a problem marketing to heterosexual men. And the reason it mostly fails to market to us is because 80-90% of its product isn’t targeted at us.

    Well that isn't a marketing problem. That is a product problem. Run 1000 commercials during football and straight guys still won't care about seeing Wicked or Newsies.

    They make too many of these musicals for gays and women while the straight husbands are just expected to be dragged along. The gays that write these musicals in fact view straight White men as The Problem since they buy into liberal theory. So they don't even think to serve them.

    But with that said these Broadway writers definitely knows their audience. When I first saw the preview for Hamilton I thought....... who really wants to go see a rapping Hamilton? Are there really enough people that want to pay a premium to watch a make believe show where one of the founding fathers is Black and raps about history? If I were Black I would be insulted by such crass patronizing. Should we make a musical about pygmies doing the moon landing?

    Well anyways a few months later all the liberal White women at my office were talking about it. White women were flying across the country to see it multiple times. They jacked up the prices and White liberal teachers were still taking classrooms to go see it. What in the f? Here kids, you might learn something about history that is entirely made up. All on taxpayer dime btw.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Wilkey

  164. @Jack D
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    Seth and Sarah Silverman put out an anti-White male Santa movie.
     
    As far as I can tell, they are the voice actors in a cartoon. The last time I checked, actors read from a script written by others and do not "put out" movies (or TV series - Santa Inc. is not a movie).

    The person most responsible for Santa Inc. is one Alexandra Rushfield. I really don't know where Alexandra rates on the Jew scale nor is it really relevant whether her ancestors arrived on the Mayflower or at Ellis Island. Alexandra is best known for "Parks and Recreation". This show is not my cup of tea but enough people liked it for it to be a hit. Santa Inc. has the makings of a flop - this is how Hollywood goes - you win some and you lose some. If you win one, people will think that you know the secret of hit making and will throw money at you. If you lose enough in a row, no one will give you money anymore.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @D. K.

    According to this article, Rushfield is one of yours, Jack:

    https://poptopic.com.au/article/meet-the-writers-cast-of-the-worst-christmas-show-ever-santa-inc/

    “Rushfield is a Jewish woman who does not celebrate Christmas.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @D. K.

    It wouldn't surprise me if that was true* but I'm not sure that poptopic.com.au is really an authoritative source.

    *Jews are as common in Hollywood as Italians are in the garbage hauling business.

    Replies: @D. K.

  165. @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    Sondheim has been endlessly revived, but his last big original production hit on Broadway was Into the Woods in 1987, which is a LONG time ago. Sondheim blamed it on age but I think it was more that times have changed and the art form no longer resonates with a new generation. Now, art forms that have become “classical” can live on in revival for hundreds or even thousand of years (people still put on Greek tragedies by Euripedes) but that’s different than being a living art form.
     
    You usually write great comments, Jack, but here you're just making yourself ridiculous. There are any number of Broadway productions which gross - perhaps in just a single year - more than several years' worth of Greek tragedies produced in the US, or even the entire world. "The Lion King" has grossed over $8 billion during its ~25 year run, and "Phantom" has grossed over $6 billion.

    Just in my county of ~1.2 million people we have built two new, $100 million+ theatres in the last decade - one for Broadway tours, and one of which is a "community theatre." Both theatres routinely sell out their productions. The shows at the 911-seat community theatre run for 2-3 months, with sometimes 2-3 performances a day. Next April-May they're putting on "School of Rock," one of the lesser Andrew Lloyd-Webber musicals, for 65 performances. Do the math: 65 performances times 911 seats is almost 60,000 seats, at least 90% of which will have butts in them when the (hypothetical) curtain rises. Again, that's in a county of 1.2 million people. There is actually a ~500-seat theatre in the same building which sells out most shows, as well.

    The Broadway musical is still a very popular art form, which is maybe remarkable given the rise of all the other cheaper, more convenient art forms since its debut. Financially it is doing just fine. The problem it has is a marketing problem - specifically a problem marketing to heterosexual men. And the reason it mostly fails to market to us is because 80-90% of its product isn't targeted at us. But the reason it isn't marketing very well to straight men isn't because it can't, but because it doesn't feel the need to.

    There are plenty of straight men taking their daughters (and sometimes sons) to see "Frozen" or whatever, but that's for the kids. There are plenty of straight men going to shows like "Jersey Boys" (actually written by a gay man) but those songs aren't new. Then there are shows like "Kinky Boots," a Cyndi Lauper musical about an actual shoe company that rescued itself by making boots for trannies. The subject matter may be a turn-off for your average straight guy, but the show was actually quite good.

    Just to list a few shows produced in the last 11 years that have appealed to plenty of straight men: Memphis, American Idiot, Million Dollar Quartet, The Book of Mormon, Once, Newsies, Nice Work If You Can Get It, Something Rotten, Hamilton, Bright Star, School of Rock, Dear Evan Hansen, Groundhog Day, Come From Away, Hadestown, Moulin Rouge, and Jagged Little Pill. And that's just from the list of Tony nominees.

    But the other problem Broadway has is that, even when it gets the subject matter right, there often just aren't many take-home numbers (at least not new ones - see: jukebox musicals) that people are rushing home to download. Not many composers have produced greatest hits compilations worth buying since ALW did so back in the 90s.

    But the art form still has a lot of life left in it, and plenty of room to attract us if they feel the need to do so. In fact their most successful shows by far (Phantom, Les Mis, Chicago, The Lion King, Hamilton) are the ones with music and/or subject matter that appeal to straight men. It's not a dying art form. It's an art form that has failed or chosen not to market to straight men with new material.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

    Tourists attend shows diffrent from the ones locals do, and are willing to pay more, as it’s once-in-a-lifetime “mad money” for them. In the case of adaptations, that they know the story beforehand makes the experience even easier. Just concentrate on the spectacle, unavailable at home.

  166. @Anon
    OT: The parents of the Michigan shooter are being charged with involuntary manslaughter for letting their kid get hold of guns. Shooter is also being tried as an adult.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/04/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-saturday/index.html

    This looks like an important turning point in society. From now on, society may choose to crack down hard on families for raising their kids wrong if their kid turns out violent. Decent families are tired of their kids being killed because some trash family can't raise their own kids right. If you don't have the money to put your kids in private school, going hard after scum families and their scum kids is your last resort to keep decent kids safe.

    In liberal thinking, all behavior--including bad behavior--is learned, not innate. The logical conclusion of this is that parents are indeed responsible for training their kids to act like criminals. Therefore, liberals are beginning to think that parents should be tried as accessories if their kids break the law.

    Chinese law used to do this in feudal days, and they punished parents for raising criminal kids. Maybe the cultural shift is intended to pressure scum families into not having kids?

    Note this won't apply to black families, though it should. Even liberals realize if you jail all the worthless black parents, there aren't enough people left to take care of the ocean of scummy black kids.

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes, @flyingtiger, @Anonymous

    I agree. It is time to put the parents of carjackers into jail. Also they should be permanently barred from collecting government benefits. Once a few die, crime will go down.

  167. @D. K.
    @Jack D

    According to this article, Rushfield is one of yours, Jack:

    https://poptopic.com.au/article/meet-the-writers-cast-of-the-worst-christmas-show-ever-santa-inc/

    "Rushfield is a Jewish woman who does not celebrate Christmas."

    Replies: @Jack D

    It wouldn’t surprise me if that was true* but I’m not sure that poptopic.com.au is really an authoritative source.

    *Jews are as common in Hollywood as Italians are in the garbage hauling business.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Jack D

    "*Jews are as common in Hollywood as Italians are in the garbage hauling business."

    Yes, but, in America, garbage-haulers tend not to hate Christians and Christmas quite as much as many Hollywood writers and producers do, Jack-- or, hadn't you ever noticed that divergence of affect?

  168. @Joe S.Walker
    @Right_On

    At one time c.1950 publicists put out the word that Anton Diffring was romantically involved with the English actress Jean Kent. Many years later, Miss Kent remarked that he was "as queer as a three-pound note."

    Replies: @Right_On

    Didn’t know about his proclivities. Wiki tells me Diffring died in 1989 of complications from AIDS, so he was an early victim of “the gay plague”.

  169. @Wilkey
    @Steve Sailer

    It seems that virtually all Broadway productions these days are: 1) niche stuff, 2) jukebox musicals ("Jagged Little Pill," "Jersey Boys," etc.), 3) stage cartoons ("Wicked," or anything by Disney, apart from "Mary Poppins"), or 4) movie adaptations.

    The hit shows which typically bring in the straight men don't generally fit into any of those categories.

    Jukebox musicals can appeal to anyone, especially those raised in the relevant era. "Jersey Boys" appeals to older audiences, but also did a great deal to revive Frankie Valli's music for a younger generation. Ditto for "Mamma Mia" and the music of Abba. They don't tend to work in reverse, though. I doubt many 60-year-olds are buying up Green Day albums because they caught an unfortunate production of "American Idiot."

    Theatre snobs may turn up their noses at shows by Andrew Lloyd-Webber, or even "Les Mis," but ALW injected a hugely needed dose of testosterone into the genre. Plenty of straight, heterosexual men enjoy his shows - "Phantom," "Evita," "Sunset Boulevard," "Joseph," etc., and they were huge successes because straight men were more than happy to buy tickets to them. My dad caught a performance of "Evita" while rapidly approaching retirement age and immediately went out and bought three or four ALW CDs. And I know more than one straight man who has seen "Phantom" a dozen times or more. The snobs may prefer shows with "intelligent" lyrics by men like Sondheim or Jason Robert Brown. Nothing against Sondheim (and everything against Brown) but the genre is called "musicals" and not "lyricals" for a reason. Smart lyrics are nice. Great music is essential.

    Anyway, all that is just to say that the genre does work and has worked for plenty of virile straight men. All it needs is someone able and willing to write for us, and a producer willing to produce it.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @John Johnson

    Nothing against Sondheim (and everything against Brown) but the genre is called “musicals” and not “lyricals” for a reason. Smart lyrics are nice. Great music is essential.

    As the recently-departed Albertosaurus aka Pat Boyle once observed – good lyrics are a dime a dozen, whereas good melodies are as scarce as hen’s teeth.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Johann Ricke

    The impresario of the Pacific Opera Project typically does a new translation of the libretto for each opera they put on for the first time and throws in a lot of quite funny topical jokes. But he doesn't write new music.

  170. @Jack D
    @D. K.

    It wouldn't surprise me if that was true* but I'm not sure that poptopic.com.au is really an authoritative source.

    *Jews are as common in Hollywood as Italians are in the garbage hauling business.

    Replies: @D. K.

    “*Jews are as common in Hollywood as Italians are in the garbage hauling business.”

    Yes, but, in America, garbage-haulers tend not to hate Christians and Christmas quite as much as many Hollywood writers and producers do, Jack– or, hadn’t you ever noticed that divergence of affect?

  171. @Daniel H
    @Good Vibes


    Do actual people like the songs in West side story? I’ve never heard a single person mention the play or movie in real life. I just see it praised in the media.
     
    I can't hum a single melody or recite a single lyrical line from West Side story.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jack D, @Johann Ricke

    Adam Sandler sings bits and pieces from West Side Story:

  172. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rYXxK8enGs

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    When the host started saying to “really listen” to Cole Porter lyrics for homosexual subtexts, I cut him off. He’s full of crap.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Nicholas Stix

    But… Cole Porter was literally a homosexual. We see gay artists putting messages in entertainment all the time.

    Replies: @D. K., @Nicholas Stix

  173. @Wilkey
    @Steve Sailer

    It seems that virtually all Broadway productions these days are: 1) niche stuff, 2) jukebox musicals ("Jagged Little Pill," "Jersey Boys," etc.), 3) stage cartoons ("Wicked," or anything by Disney, apart from "Mary Poppins"), or 4) movie adaptations.

    The hit shows which typically bring in the straight men don't generally fit into any of those categories.

    Jukebox musicals can appeal to anyone, especially those raised in the relevant era. "Jersey Boys" appeals to older audiences, but also did a great deal to revive Frankie Valli's music for a younger generation. Ditto for "Mamma Mia" and the music of Abba. They don't tend to work in reverse, though. I doubt many 60-year-olds are buying up Green Day albums because they caught an unfortunate production of "American Idiot."

    Theatre snobs may turn up their noses at shows by Andrew Lloyd-Webber, or even "Les Mis," but ALW injected a hugely needed dose of testosterone into the genre. Plenty of straight, heterosexual men enjoy his shows - "Phantom," "Evita," "Sunset Boulevard," "Joseph," etc., and they were huge successes because straight men were more than happy to buy tickets to them. My dad caught a performance of "Evita" while rapidly approaching retirement age and immediately went out and bought three or four ALW CDs. And I know more than one straight man who has seen "Phantom" a dozen times or more. The snobs may prefer shows with "intelligent" lyrics by men like Sondheim or Jason Robert Brown. Nothing against Sondheim (and everything against Brown) but the genre is called "musicals" and not "lyricals" for a reason. Smart lyrics are nice. Great music is essential.

    Anyway, all that is just to say that the genre does work and has worked for plenty of virile straight men. All it needs is someone able and willing to write for us, and a producer willing to produce it.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Johann Ricke, @John Johnson

    I’m not a fan of musicals but I would go to Les Miserables if it was a decent performance and had a reasonable price.

    That is the problem I see with these musicals. They expect you to pay over \$100 a ticket and then have the audacity to charge you \$9 for a beer during the intermission. Add \$20 for parking…then there is dinner……just not a great value. Maybe if you are in NYC and the wife wants to go but anywhere else seems like a meh unless there really isn’t much going on.

    I’ve watched about 10 minutes of newsies. Wow, so incredibly gay. Same for west side story. Can’t believe how many straight guys are dragged to those. Les Mis has some historical context but when did gang members ever dance around like faggots? I’m just not getting it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @John Johnson

    You can see college or high school musicals for, what, ten bucks? That's a cheap way to see musicals you've never seen on the professional stage. Pick out a sizable, well-to-do private school or big suburban school.

    My son saw "City of Angels," a terrific Chandleresque private detective musical with book by Larry Gelbart, creator of MASH, at a local high school and very much liked it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

  174. @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    Sondheim has been endlessly revived, but his last big original production hit on Broadway was Into the Woods in 1987, which is a LONG time ago. Sondheim blamed it on age but I think it was more that times have changed and the art form no longer resonates with a new generation. Now, art forms that have become “classical” can live on in revival for hundreds or even thousand of years (people still put on Greek tragedies by Euripedes) but that’s different than being a living art form.
     
    You usually write great comments, Jack, but here you're just making yourself ridiculous. There are any number of Broadway productions which gross - perhaps in just a single year - more than several years' worth of Greek tragedies produced in the US, or even the entire world. "The Lion King" has grossed over $8 billion during its ~25 year run, and "Phantom" has grossed over $6 billion.

    Just in my county of ~1.2 million people we have built two new, $100 million+ theatres in the last decade - one for Broadway tours, and one of which is a "community theatre." Both theatres routinely sell out their productions. The shows at the 911-seat community theatre run for 2-3 months, with sometimes 2-3 performances a day. Next April-May they're putting on "School of Rock," one of the lesser Andrew Lloyd-Webber musicals, for 65 performances. Do the math: 65 performances times 911 seats is almost 60,000 seats, at least 90% of which will have butts in them when the (hypothetical) curtain rises. Again, that's in a county of 1.2 million people. There is actually a ~500-seat theatre in the same building which sells out most shows, as well.

    The Broadway musical is still a very popular art form, which is maybe remarkable given the rise of all the other cheaper, more convenient art forms since its debut. Financially it is doing just fine. The problem it has is a marketing problem - specifically a problem marketing to heterosexual men. And the reason it mostly fails to market to us is because 80-90% of its product isn't targeted at us. But the reason it isn't marketing very well to straight men isn't because it can't, but because it doesn't feel the need to.

    There are plenty of straight men taking their daughters (and sometimes sons) to see "Frozen" or whatever, but that's for the kids. There are plenty of straight men going to shows like "Jersey Boys" (actually written by a gay man) but those songs aren't new. Then there are shows like "Kinky Boots," a Cyndi Lauper musical about an actual shoe company that rescued itself by making boots for trannies. The subject matter may be a turn-off for your average straight guy, but the show was actually quite good.

    Just to list a few shows produced in the last 11 years that have appealed to plenty of straight men: Memphis, American Idiot, Million Dollar Quartet, The Book of Mormon, Once, Newsies, Nice Work If You Can Get It, Something Rotten, Hamilton, Bright Star, School of Rock, Dear Evan Hansen, Groundhog Day, Come From Away, Hadestown, Moulin Rouge, and Jagged Little Pill. And that's just from the list of Tony nominees.

    But the other problem Broadway has is that, even when it gets the subject matter right, there often just aren't many take-home numbers (at least not new ones - see: jukebox musicals) that people are rushing home to download. Not many composers have produced greatest hits compilations worth buying since ALW did so back in the 90s.

    But the art form still has a lot of life left in it, and plenty of room to attract us if they feel the need to do so. In fact their most successful shows by far (Phantom, Les Mis, Chicago, The Lion King, Hamilton) are the ones with music and/or subject matter that appeal to straight men. It's not a dying art form. It's an art form that has failed or chosen not to market to straight men with new material.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

    The Broadway musical is still a very popular art form, which is maybe remarkable given the rise of all the other cheaper, more convenient art forms since its debut. Financially it is doing just fine. The problem it has is a marketing problem – specifically a problem marketing to heterosexual men. And the reason it mostly fails to market to us is because 80-90% of its product isn’t targeted at us.

    Well that isn’t a marketing problem. That is a product problem. Run 1000 commercials during football and straight guys still won’t care about seeing Wicked or Newsies.

    They make too many of these musicals for gays and women while the straight husbands are just expected to be dragged along. The gays that write these musicals in fact view straight White men as The Problem since they buy into liberal theory. So they don’t even think to serve them.

    But with that said these Broadway writers definitely knows their audience. When I first saw the preview for Hamilton I thought……. who really wants to go see a rapping Hamilton? Are there really enough people that want to pay a premium to watch a make believe show where one of the founding fathers is Black and raps about history? If I were Black I would be insulted by such crass patronizing. Should we make a musical about pygmies doing the moon landing?

    Well anyways a few months later all the liberal White women at my office were talking about it. White women were flying across the country to see it multiple times. They jacked up the prices and White liberal teachers were still taking classrooms to go see it. What in the f? Here kids, you might learn something about history that is entirely made up. All on taxpayer dime btw.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @John Johnson

    I'm pretty sure Lin-Manuel Miranda aimed "Hamilton" at schoolboys to pick to see as their Broadway musical on their class trip to New York. It has a lot of boyish themes like ambition and masculine rivalry. And Hamilton is, sort of, educational to appeal to teacher chaperones. The girls in the class would split their votes among Wicked and Frozen and many others, whereas Hamilton would compete mostly with Book of Mormon for the male vote.

    As it turned out, "Hamilton" became so immensely popular that class trips couldn't afford it.

    But I can't criticize Miranda for coming up with something aimed at the underserved male market.

    , @Wilkey
    @John Johnson


    The gays that write these musicals in fact view straight White men as The Problem since they buy into liberal theory. So they don’t even think to serve them.
     
    Most writers, composers and lyricists who create the shows aren't gay. Disproportionately gay? Sure, probably. But mostly gay? Not even close.

    Besides, it's not the creators who decide what does and doesn't make it to Broadway, but producers and theatre owners, and they are less likely to be gay than the creators. And gay producers don't necessarily focus on gay-themed shows. Producer Cameron Mackintosh has been openly gay for years, but has produced some of the most testosterone-laden shows of the last few decades, including "Phantom," "Les Mis," and "Hamilton."

    There is no particular reason that theatre should necessarily be considered a gay medium. Music in general isn't regarded as "gay." Nor is film. I do suspect that gay men are more likely to pursue and stick with theatre careers, even if they aren't very good at it, since they're less concerned about having to ever provide for or raise a family, and since it provides endless hookup opportunities. That would explain why your average low or unpaid local production has a disproportionate number of gay men in it. But there is nothing "gay" about the dancing or singing or storylines of most Broadway shows, and it's generally easy enough to avoid the shows that have such themes.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  175. @Nicholas Stix
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    When the host started saying to "really listen" to Cole Porter lyrics for homosexual subtexts, I cut him off. He's full of crap.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    But… Cole Porter was literally a homosexual. We see gay artists putting messages in entertainment all the time.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Anonymous

    "But… Cole Porter was literally a homosexual. We see gay artists putting messages in entertainment all the time."

    Cole Porter was born in Peru, Indiana, 130 years ago, as the only child of a doting mother (whose previous two children both had died, one at birth and the other two days after her second birthday), and a grandchild of the richest man in the state.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cole_Porter#Early_years

    "The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there." --L. P. Hartley, "The Go-Between" (1953)

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Anonymous

    "But… Cole Porter was literally a homosexual. We see gay artists putting messages in entertainment all the time. "

    Who, and what, and when? Not Cole Porter.

    Oh, and "literally" alert!

  176. @John Johnson
    @Wilkey

    The Broadway musical is still a very popular art form, which is maybe remarkable given the rise of all the other cheaper, more convenient art forms since its debut. Financially it is doing just fine. The problem it has is a marketing problem – specifically a problem marketing to heterosexual men. And the reason it mostly fails to market to us is because 80-90% of its product isn’t targeted at us.

    Well that isn't a marketing problem. That is a product problem. Run 1000 commercials during football and straight guys still won't care about seeing Wicked or Newsies.

    They make too many of these musicals for gays and women while the straight husbands are just expected to be dragged along. The gays that write these musicals in fact view straight White men as The Problem since they buy into liberal theory. So they don't even think to serve them.

    But with that said these Broadway writers definitely knows their audience. When I first saw the preview for Hamilton I thought....... who really wants to go see a rapping Hamilton? Are there really enough people that want to pay a premium to watch a make believe show where one of the founding fathers is Black and raps about history? If I were Black I would be insulted by such crass patronizing. Should we make a musical about pygmies doing the moon landing?

    Well anyways a few months later all the liberal White women at my office were talking about it. White women were flying across the country to see it multiple times. They jacked up the prices and White liberal teachers were still taking classrooms to go see it. What in the f? Here kids, you might learn something about history that is entirely made up. All on taxpayer dime btw.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Wilkey

    I’m pretty sure Lin-Manuel Miranda aimed “Hamilton” at schoolboys to pick to see as their Broadway musical on their class trip to New York. It has a lot of boyish themes like ambition and masculine rivalry. And Hamilton is, sort of, educational to appeal to teacher chaperones. The girls in the class would split their votes among Wicked and Frozen and many others, whereas Hamilton would compete mostly with Book of Mormon for the male vote.

    As it turned out, “Hamilton” became so immensely popular that class trips couldn’t afford it.

    But I can’t criticize Miranda for coming up with something aimed at the underserved male market.

  177. @John Johnson
    @Wilkey

    I'm not a fan of musicals but I would go to Les Miserables if it was a decent performance and had a reasonable price.

    That is the problem I see with these musicals. They expect you to pay over $100 a ticket and then have the audacity to charge you $9 for a beer during the intermission. Add $20 for parking...then there is dinner......just not a great value. Maybe if you are in NYC and the wife wants to go but anywhere else seems like a meh unless there really isn't much going on.

    I've watched about 10 minutes of newsies. Wow, so incredibly gay. Same for west side story. Can't believe how many straight guys are dragged to those. Les Mis has some historical context but when did gang members ever dance around like faggots? I'm just not getting it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    You can see college or high school musicals for, what, ten bucks? That’s a cheap way to see musicals you’ve never seen on the professional stage. Pick out a sizable, well-to-do private school or big suburban school.

    My son saw “City of Angels,” a terrific Chandleresque private detective musical with book by Larry Gelbart, creator of MASH, at a local high school and very much liked it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    You can see college or high school musicals for, what, ten bucks?
     
    I saw Guys and Dolls at Richfield (Minn.) High School. It was an excellent production, well worth more than the modest ticket price. Except for one nails-on-the-blackboard moment, in "I've Never Been In Love Before":

    So please forgive this helpless haze I'm in
    I've really never been
    In love before

    In and been serve as an internal rhyme. But not in Minnesota, where been is often pronounced "Ben", especially by teenage girls like this actress. After decades of fake rhymes in pop music, this was too subtle for the director to catch. Ouch.

    , @John Johnson
    @Steve Sailer

    You can see college or high school musicals for, what, ten bucks? That’s a cheap way to see musicals you’ve never seen on the professional stage. Pick out a sizable, well-to-do private school or big suburban school.

    Seems like the high schools around here all do the nutcracker and corny stuff in the spring.

    Anyways I can afford the tickets. It's just that the model isn't quite right. White guys are asked to drive and park downtown for some play that considers them an afterthought. If that isn't enough you get charged $9 for a beer at intermission. If I paid $120 for a ticket then at least give me a normal bar with a food menu.

    I'll probably see Carmen when it comes back around. But I can recognize that I'm not the norm.

    A better business model would be where wives are the afterthought. Bring in the straight White guys and the wives will happily follow them to any live performance.

  178. @Johann Ricke
    @Wilkey


    Nothing against Sondheim (and everything against Brown) but the genre is called “musicals” and not “lyricals” for a reason. Smart lyrics are nice. Great music is essential.
     
    As the recently-departed Albertosaurus aka Pat Boyle once observed - good lyrics are a dime a dozen, whereas good melodies are as scarce as hen's teeth.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The impresario of the Pacific Opera Project typically does a new translation of the libretto for each opera they put on for the first time and throws in a lot of quite funny topical jokes. But he doesn’t write new music.

  179. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    The Russian Wood was a stunning beauty but not at all convincing as a Puerto Rican. Then again, Omar Sharif was not very convincing as a Russian either.

    Old Hollywood was more interested in screen magnetism than in authenticity. Maybe this was not completely dumb. One of the reasons that In The Heights flopped at the box office was a lack of big name stars. (Mexican, not PR or DR, so not very authentic anyway) actress Melissa Barrera, who was the romantic interest, is cute enough (although "People of Color" are, oddly enough, not very colorful - they tend toward everything being brown) but nobody says, "Let's go to the Multiplex to catch that latest Melissa Barrera pic."

    And in the year of Floyd, Miranda caught flak for not making his stars black enough. It's true that he kind of lightened up his cast vs. the way that real Dominicans look, which is mostly blackish. Although the Spanish kept things whiter than across the border in Haiti or in the English Caribbean for that matter.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Then again, Omar Sharif was not very convincing as a Russian either.

    His most convincing role was as a bridge columnist.

    Shari-i-if don’t like it!
    Rock the contract!
    Rock the contract!

    Did he ever play with Buffett or Gates?

  180. @Steve Sailer
    @John Johnson

    You can see college or high school musicals for, what, ten bucks? That's a cheap way to see musicals you've never seen on the professional stage. Pick out a sizable, well-to-do private school or big suburban school.

    My son saw "City of Angels," a terrific Chandleresque private detective musical with book by Larry Gelbart, creator of MASH, at a local high school and very much liked it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

    You can see college or high school musicals for, what, ten bucks?

    I saw Guys and Dolls at Richfield (Minn.) High School. It was an excellent production, well worth more than the modest ticket price. Except for one nails-on-the-blackboard moment, in “I’ve Never Been In Love Before”:

    So please forgive this helpless haze I’m in
    I’ve really never been
    In love before

    In and been serve as an internal rhyme. But not in Minnesota, where been is often pronounced “Ben”, especially by teenage girls like this actress. After decades of fake rhymes in pop music, this was too subtle for the director to catch. Ouch.

  181. @Paperback Writer
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    I refuse to sign up for Facebook and they don't let you look nowadays without doing so. I wish that commenters could post screenshots here. Can you give us a sample?

    As a Jew, I'm sick of Sarah Silverman's constant goy-baiting, and I enjoy seeing her being taken down. Rogen as well, but I'm not aware that he's made an actual career of goy-baiting.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Malcolm X-Lax

    A few years ago, I saw an interview in which Rogen is bragging that he “shit all over Christianity” in his jewish buddy comedy This Is The End. And then there was the scene from an earlier “Christmas” movie–The Night Before–in which Rogen hilariously vomits in a cathedral during Midnight Mass on Christmas Eve. Imagine a gentile-produced Holocaust comedy in which the lead character, while, say, touring the Anne Frank House, needs to use the bathroom so badly he is forced to take a shit in the attic. That’s the level of hate and contempt we’re dealing with here.

  182. @Anonymous
    @Nicholas Stix

    But… Cole Porter was literally a homosexual. We see gay artists putting messages in entertainment all the time.

    Replies: @D. K., @Nicholas Stix

    “But… Cole Porter was literally a homosexual. We see gay artists putting messages in entertainment all the time.”

    Cole Porter was born in Peru, Indiana, 130 years ago, as the only child of a doting mother (whose previous two children both had died, one at birth and the other two days after her second birthday), and a grandchild of the richest man in the state.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cole_Porter#Early_years

    “The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.” –L. P. Hartley, “The Go-Between” (1953)

  183. @John Johnson
    @Wilkey

    The Broadway musical is still a very popular art form, which is maybe remarkable given the rise of all the other cheaper, more convenient art forms since its debut. Financially it is doing just fine. The problem it has is a marketing problem – specifically a problem marketing to heterosexual men. And the reason it mostly fails to market to us is because 80-90% of its product isn’t targeted at us.

    Well that isn't a marketing problem. That is a product problem. Run 1000 commercials during football and straight guys still won't care about seeing Wicked or Newsies.

    They make too many of these musicals for gays and women while the straight husbands are just expected to be dragged along. The gays that write these musicals in fact view straight White men as The Problem since they buy into liberal theory. So they don't even think to serve them.

    But with that said these Broadway writers definitely knows their audience. When I first saw the preview for Hamilton I thought....... who really wants to go see a rapping Hamilton? Are there really enough people that want to pay a premium to watch a make believe show where one of the founding fathers is Black and raps about history? If I were Black I would be insulted by such crass patronizing. Should we make a musical about pygmies doing the moon landing?

    Well anyways a few months later all the liberal White women at my office were talking about it. White women were flying across the country to see it multiple times. They jacked up the prices and White liberal teachers were still taking classrooms to go see it. What in the f? Here kids, you might learn something about history that is entirely made up. All on taxpayer dime btw.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Wilkey

    The gays that write these musicals in fact view straight White men as The Problem since they buy into liberal theory. So they don’t even think to serve them.

    Most writers, composers and lyricists who create the shows aren’t gay. Disproportionately gay? Sure, probably. But mostly gay? Not even close.

    Besides, it’s not the creators who decide what does and doesn’t make it to Broadway, but producers and theatre owners, and they are less likely to be gay than the creators. And gay producers don’t necessarily focus on gay-themed shows. Producer Cameron Mackintosh has been openly gay for years, but has produced some of the most testosterone-laden shows of the last few decades, including “Phantom,” “Les Mis,” and “Hamilton.”

    There is no particular reason that theatre should necessarily be considered a gay medium. Music in general isn’t regarded as “gay.” Nor is film. I do suspect that gay men are more likely to pursue and stick with theatre careers, even if they aren’t very good at it, since they’re less concerned about having to ever provide for or raise a family, and since it provides endless hookup opportunities. That would explain why your average low or unpaid local production has a disproportionate number of gay men in it. But there is nothing “gay” about the dancing or singing or storylines of most Broadway shows, and it’s generally easy enough to avoid the shows that have such themes.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Wilkey

    Most writers, composers and lyricists who create the shows aren’t gay. Disproportionately gay? Sure, probably. But mostly gay? Not even close.

    It really doesn't matter. The majority of the content is aimed at the female brain and gay men can enjoy it as well. It's gay.

    There is no particular reason that theatre should necessarily be considered a gay medium. Music in general isn’t regarded as “gay.”

    LOL yes West Side Story and Oklahoma depict men as they naturally are. I almost got into a knife fight the other day but we decided to dance it out.

    Oklahoma is 2 hours of dancing and singing. Ugh.

    Yes compared to ice hockey live it is totally gay.

    Sure you can go see Phantom of the Opera but the typical broadway show consists of men singing and dancing around like faggots. It's aimed at women. The female brain is strange in this regard. They like to see in-shape men dance and prance while singing even though they wouldn't date them for being on the queer side. Straight women and gay men will agree that Broadway is just fine and doesn't need to be changed.

  184. They jacked up the prices and White liberal teachers were still taking classrooms to go see it. What in the f? Here kids, you might learn something about history that is entirely made up. All on taxpayer dime btw.

    Such trips are seldom paid for by the taxpayers. The kids’ parents pay all the costs, and the teachers, as chaperones, get a free vacation, also paid for by the parents. My high school had these trips, and they were not cheap. Only the rich kids ever went on them.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Wilkey

    Such trips are seldom paid for by the taxpayers. The kids’ parents pay all the costs, and the teachers, as chaperones, get a free vacation, also paid for by the parents. My high school had these trips, and they were not cheap. Only the rich kids ever went on them.

    Yea that is the burbs.

    It's actually a myth that all inner city schools are broke. In metropolitan cities with a strong tax base the schools get plenty of money. They just need an excuse for the trip to be educational or culturally enriching. They don't expect the parents to pay.

  185. @Steve Sailer
    @Skyler the Weird

    After all, what did Bernstein's melodies contribute to "West Side Story?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SQ4ogstDVE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyofWTw0bqY

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Good Vibes, @james wilson, @Skyler the Weird

    Had Sondheim fixed on the brain since he just died. I guess he didn’t do South Pacific either

  186. In a simpler time the Klingons on Star Trek just spoke English — pretentious twaddle but English nonetheless. (“Only a fool fights in a burning house.” etc etc) I’m not sure at what point in the franchise someone decided it was more realistic to give the Klingons their own guttural death-metal language, with subtitles.

    With nasty aliens appearing almost weekly on The Outer Limits, only once did these invaders get their own language — the bug-eyed ant criminals from Zanti. No subtitles — we used a Zanti-to-English translation machine. “We are incapable of executing our own kind,” the planet’s commander tells Earth officials. “But you are not. You are practiced executioners. We thank you.”

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Known Fact

    The Klingon language debuted in the first Star Trek movie, released on this date (Pearl Harbor Day) in 1979.

  187. @Steve Sailer
    @John Johnson

    You can see college or high school musicals for, what, ten bucks? That's a cheap way to see musicals you've never seen on the professional stage. Pick out a sizable, well-to-do private school or big suburban school.

    My son saw "City of Angels," a terrific Chandleresque private detective musical with book by Larry Gelbart, creator of MASH, at a local high school and very much liked it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

    You can see college or high school musicals for, what, ten bucks? That’s a cheap way to see musicals you’ve never seen on the professional stage. Pick out a sizable, well-to-do private school or big suburban school.

    Seems like the high schools around here all do the nutcracker and corny stuff in the spring.

    Anyways I can afford the tickets. It’s just that the model isn’t quite right. White guys are asked to drive and park downtown for some play that considers them an afterthought. If that isn’t enough you get charged \$9 for a beer at intermission. If I paid \$120 for a ticket then at least give me a normal bar with a food menu.

    I’ll probably see Carmen when it comes back around. But I can recognize that I’m not the norm.

    A better business model would be where wives are the afterthought. Bring in the straight White guys and the wives will happily follow them to any live performance.

  188. @Wilkey
    @John Johnson


    The gays that write these musicals in fact view straight White men as The Problem since they buy into liberal theory. So they don’t even think to serve them.
     
    Most writers, composers and lyricists who create the shows aren't gay. Disproportionately gay? Sure, probably. But mostly gay? Not even close.

    Besides, it's not the creators who decide what does and doesn't make it to Broadway, but producers and theatre owners, and they are less likely to be gay than the creators. And gay producers don't necessarily focus on gay-themed shows. Producer Cameron Mackintosh has been openly gay for years, but has produced some of the most testosterone-laden shows of the last few decades, including "Phantom," "Les Mis," and "Hamilton."

    There is no particular reason that theatre should necessarily be considered a gay medium. Music in general isn't regarded as "gay." Nor is film. I do suspect that gay men are more likely to pursue and stick with theatre careers, even if they aren't very good at it, since they're less concerned about having to ever provide for or raise a family, and since it provides endless hookup opportunities. That would explain why your average low or unpaid local production has a disproportionate number of gay men in it. But there is nothing "gay" about the dancing or singing or storylines of most Broadway shows, and it's generally easy enough to avoid the shows that have such themes.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Most writers, composers and lyricists who create the shows aren’t gay. Disproportionately gay? Sure, probably. But mostly gay? Not even close.

    It really doesn’t matter. The majority of the content is aimed at the female brain and gay men can enjoy it as well. It’s gay.

    There is no particular reason that theatre should necessarily be considered a gay medium. Music in general isn’t regarded as “gay.”

    LOL yes West Side Story and Oklahoma depict men as they naturally are. I almost got into a knife fight the other day but we decided to dance it out.

    Oklahoma is 2 hours of dancing and singing. Ugh.

    Yes compared to ice hockey live it is totally gay.

    Sure you can go see Phantom of the Opera but the typical broadway show consists of men singing and dancing around like faggots. It’s aimed at women. The female brain is strange in this regard. They like to see in-shape men dance and prance while singing even though they wouldn’t date them for being on the queer side. Straight women and gay men will agree that Broadway is just fine and doesn’t need to be changed.

  189. @Wilkey

    They jacked up the prices and White liberal teachers were still taking classrooms to go see it. What in the f? Here kids, you might learn something about history that is entirely made up. All on taxpayer dime btw.
     
    Such trips are seldom paid for by the taxpayers. The kids' parents pay all the costs, and the teachers, as chaperones, get a free vacation, also paid for by the parents. My high school had these trips, and they were not cheap. Only the rich kids ever went on them.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Such trips are seldom paid for by the taxpayers. The kids’ parents pay all the costs, and the teachers, as chaperones, get a free vacation, also paid for by the parents. My high school had these trips, and they were not cheap. Only the rich kids ever went on them.

    Yea that is the burbs.

    It’s actually a myth that all inner city schools are broke. In metropolitan cities with a strong tax base the schools get plenty of money. They just need an excuse for the trip to be educational or culturally enriching. They don’t expect the parents to pay.

  190. Anonymous[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    OT: The parents of the Michigan shooter are being charged with involuntary manslaughter for letting their kid get hold of guns. Shooter is also being tried as an adult.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/04/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-saturday/index.html

    This looks like an important turning point in society. From now on, society may choose to crack down hard on families for raising their kids wrong if their kid turns out violent. Decent families are tired of their kids being killed because some trash family can't raise their own kids right. If you don't have the money to put your kids in private school, going hard after scum families and their scum kids is your last resort to keep decent kids safe.

    In liberal thinking, all behavior--including bad behavior--is learned, not innate. The logical conclusion of this is that parents are indeed responsible for training their kids to act like criminals. Therefore, liberals are beginning to think that parents should be tried as accessories if their kids break the law.

    Chinese law used to do this in feudal days, and they punished parents for raising criminal kids. Maybe the cultural shift is intended to pressure scum families into not having kids?

    Note this won't apply to black families, though it should. Even liberals realize if you jail all the worthless black parents, there aren't enough people left to take care of the ocean of scummy black kids.

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes, @flyingtiger, @Anonymous

    The uncle of the black kid who killed Kayla Roland back in 2000 was also convicted of involuntary manslaughter for not securing the gun. He did 2 and half years in prison.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kayla_Rolland

    It will be interesting to see how much time these two get by comparison.

  191. @Known Fact
    In a simpler time the Klingons on Star Trek just spoke English -- pretentious twaddle but English nonetheless. ("Only a fool fights in a burning house." etc etc) I'm not sure at what point in the franchise someone decided it was more realistic to give the Klingons their own guttural death-metal language, with subtitles.

    With nasty aliens appearing almost weekly on The Outer Limits, only once did these invaders get their own language -- the bug-eyed ant criminals from Zanti. No subtitles -- we used a Zanti-to-English translation machine. "We are incapable of executing our own kind," the planet's commander tells Earth officials. "But you are not. You are practiced executioners. We thank you."

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    The Klingon language debuted in the first Star Trek movie, released on this date (Pearl Harbor Day) in 1979.

  192. @Woodsie
    I've been watching old re-runs of Combat!, and the German dialogue is never translated. Just like in the new W.Side Story, you know who the bad guys are because their not speaking English. (/satire)

    ...connecting gentrification of New York’s slums in the 1950s to the two gangs battling over their shrinking turf as if their lives depend on it.

    1950s gentrification? Was that really a thing?
     

    It is if you consider the P.R.'s the gentrifiers. In 1950's New York they pushed out the Italians from East Harlem and Polish and Russian Jews from the Lower East Side.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez, @Nicholas Stix

    For my money, Combat! was TV’s greatest dramatic series.

    During its third episode, “Lost Sheep, Lost Shepherd,” guest starring Jeffrey Hunter, characters speak four different languages without subtitles: English, German, French and Latin. And it works beautifully.

    The episode is about a “spoiled priest” (Hunter), a concept I’d never heard of.

    https://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2021/03/watch-classic-episode-of-greatest.html

  193. @Anonymous
    @Nicholas Stix

    But… Cole Porter was literally a homosexual. We see gay artists putting messages in entertainment all the time.

    Replies: @D. K., @Nicholas Stix

    “But… Cole Porter was literally a homosexual. We see gay artists putting messages in entertainment all the time. ”

    Who, and what, and when? Not Cole Porter.

    Oh, and “literally” alert!

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