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If white liberal Americans were serious about police reform, they’d call for objective speed cameras to replace subjective and thus no doubt racist traffic stops. But, instead, they don’t because they would prefer to explain to cops that, while they might have been driving a little too fast, hey, they aren’t the gangbangers you are looking for.

For example, liberal historian Rick Perlstein kvetches:

Hey @LoriLightfoot,, maybe it’s not crime that’s driving people (and corporations, who some say are people too…) out of Chicago as much as the daily nickle-and-diming speeding tickets that show up in the mail almost daily for going 41 mph in a 35 mph zone?

Apparently, the city of Chicago cut the grace zone from 10 mph over the speed limit to 5 mph without telling anybody to close the budget deficit.

Yeah, I could see that happening.

 
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  1. OT, but watching QE II’s funeral now.

    What’s the over / under for the first article criticizing it for being so overtly Christian and white?

    More seriously, look at Westminster Abbey and listen to the hymns. Very fashionable to criticize the how evil and rotten Western culture is. But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?

    • Agree: bomag, Carol
    • Replies: @Clark Kent
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Jews and negroes have already begun writing articles about how racist and evil the queen was. Not surprised at all.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Barnard
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Margaret Thatcher's funeral was the same way. This about the only thing left the British get right.

    , @Polistra
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?
     
    Another question: how could a culture like this have been turned completely suicidal in just a few decades?

    Replies: @clifford brown

    , @usNthem
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Unfortunately, yes.

    , @Carol
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    First thing that came to mind!

    , @SFG
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    It’s the beauty that’s the problem. People are jealous.

    After such beauty, what forgiveness?

    , @Janbar
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    The crowds lining the streets look nothing like the tv adverts. Problematic for the directors so we have had significantly fewer shots of the sea of white faces.

    , @International Jew
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Was, not is. It's an elaborate theatre set now. Give it twenty more years and the Archbishop of Canterbury will be a Muslim.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Thoughts
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I began sobbing the moment the first bagpipe song rang out as the procession to Westminster began

    The last week of ceremonies make me proud to be English

    Today was heartbreaking and beautiful

    The Queen would be so proud

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    "But ... can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as commonly claimed?"

    A question I ponder five or six times per month. I'm a cultural Anglophile -- the work of English writers, musicians/composers, and filmmakers is a wellspring of inspiration. Whilst a big dopey kid I seemed to gravitate more towards English mythos than American. Still, I attempt to reconcile this attraction with the known knowns of British darkness. Yeah, colonial blah-blah-blah. I get it. But it is the bloodline institution, and the tributaries that branch off into a parasitic aristocracy, that reek of sulfur. It would be nice to turn back time and prevent the Venetian Babylonians from transferring their base of operations from the Netherlands to London. The Magi injected a spiritual decay that corrupts to this day. Part of that corruption involves wiping away Pictish, Celtic, Roman, Anglo-Saxon, Viking, Norman, DNA, to be replaced by the vibrant colours. It's time for Arthur to cut short his Avalon sojourn.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Anon
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    If you thought the Queen's funeral looked nice, you should've seen George Floyd's. Floyd got a golden casket, unlike the Queen:

    https://twitter.com/APhilosophae/status/1571884465953046531

    Replies: @epebble

    , @Prester John
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    In a word: no!

    But that's becoming increasingly a minority view.

  2. If you’ve been paying attention, you’ll know that machines, particularly AI, but all machines are racist. Apparently Highways are racist too.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-admin-starts-fixing-racist-roads-grant-dismantle-highway

    • Replies: @bomag
    @The Alarmist

    $100 million to rebuild one mile of highway? Why so little? (LOL.)

    ...many longtime black residents worry they may be priced out of the city as the improvements will lead to gentrification.

    You can't win.

    , @Polistra
    @The Alarmist

    And diets. Ain't nothing more racist than whitesplaining that some food is supposedly more "healthy" than whatever tastes good. That's not even good science yo.


    https://i.ibb.co/ccH53jK/090858970b3635a825bec6cc0f4fba41348fdb35-14.jpg

    Disparate health outcomes are the result of medicalized white supremacy.

    Replies: @Sam Malone

    , @International Jew
    @The Alarmist

    I can live with antiracist highways but I draw the line at maintaining the US/UK left-right binary; I will not tolerate anyone on an American road identifying as British and driving on the left.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Alarmist

    , @BosTex
    @The Alarmist

    The ZeroHedge linked article is hilarious. Basically:

    The original road is racist. However the non-racist version of the road will be racist since it will lead to gentrification and kick all the black folks out, as well.

    Let’s just blow the road up and leave us all in peace.

    Good lord. Thanks for sharing.

    , @AnotherDad
    @The Alarmist


    If you’ve been paying attention, you’ll know that machines, particularly AI, but all machines are racist. Apparently Highways are racist too.
     
    This is the gist of it. Steve can--and will! much to our delight--roll out a 1000 posts, across every human domain--tests scores, school discipline, policing, marriage, illegitimacy, credit scores, home ownership, AI, speed cameras .... --that amount to the same thing:

    "Objective standards ... blacks hit hardest". I.e. objective standards are racist.

    Well, the truth is ... standards are "racist". Reality is "racist".

    The most important sociological and political truth is the one hammered at--yet again--a few posts back on IQ and economic growth: Different groups of humans are different.

    More wordily:

    Since modern humans emerged from Africa 100-50 thousand years ago and especially since the neolithic revolution of agriculture 10,000 years ago, evolution--call it a process of gene-culture co-evolution--has shaped different peoples in different areas with different resources, agriculture and cultures ... differently. And those differences cause different peoples to have widely varying behavior--economic and sociological success and "fit"--in modern technological societies.

    Diversity means ... differences.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Alden

    , @Sparkling Wiggle
    @The Alarmist

    Highway placement is a funny no-win situation.

    If it goes down the middle of a black neighborhood, it splits the community.

    If it goes along the edge of a black neighborhood, it separates it from nearby white communities.

    If it is far away from a black neighborhood, then that neighborhood has been bypassed and cut off.

    All three claims are being made about different highways right now in different parts of the country.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  3. Speed cameras here in Australia will soon rival the sports pages for prominence in the media. Individual cameras even have league ladders (what you call standings, I think) based on both the number of fines and total revenue. I look forward to the racial breakdown of those fined. In vain, of course. They’d never release those numbers.

  4. Local young black guys now have started driving Dodge hellcat challengers at breakneck speeds close enough to where I stays that it sounds like somebodies gonna get killed any second. Out for a walk yesterday along that road and here they came! Two of them accelerating to about a hundred right past me. I’m jealous.

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @Semi-Hemi

    Are you sure they were black guys? Black guys usually don’t drive fast.

    More likely they were black women, racing to get to the daycare center before the $1/minute late fee clock started ticking.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  5. The biggest problem with speed cameras is that rich folk don’t care. Us normies have to slow down to the pace of a fast bicycle but mr big can blow through the stop lights and do 40 mph in the 25 zone (which was 35 a few short years ago) and chalk it up to the price of doing business. What’s a few hundred dollars in red light and speeding tickets to somebody who makes millions? These guys pay upwards of four hundred bucks everytime time they call a car service and don’t blink. Just another way of letting us know who are the serfs and who are the masters. IF we had real world police pulling over the red light runners and speeders, it would at least add the inconvenience of ten minutes on the side of the road. So while pretending to give a “blind eye of justice” color to the camera scheme, the biggest benefit is to the rich folk, who dgaf.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Woodsie

    Speed cameras aren’t about ensuring fairness for the little guy it’s about reducing the overall number of deaths/accidents. A tiny minority of millionaire speeders continuing to speed because they can afford the ticket does not detract from the usefulness of speed cameras. Most people who speed are not rich and will be inconvenienced by the cameras, pay more attention to their surroundings and lower their speeds. And as a result they are somewhat less likely to recklessly plow into another vehicle while scrolling TikTok.

  6. In all fairness automobiles today accelerate effortlessly with very low cabin and engine noise which use to help in judging speed. Trying to keep them under 25 MPH on Queens Blvd when they behave like dogs pulling a leash takes some effort. Since I drive an automatic transmission 1993 Volvo 240 around the City I really don’t have a problem with speed cameras.

  7. Liberals seek to end disparate impact and they know speed cameras would result in disproportionate impact on Blacks. The goal is an attempt to conceal Black misbehavior and underperformance. This is the same reason Universities are no longer using the SATs for college admissions.

    The goal of progressives is to reduce Black incarceration rates. Thus they decriminalize drugs, speeding, shoplifting , driving without a license, etc… The agenda is not better policing but less policing. Thus speed cameras may soon be banned when they have disparate impact.

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
  8. @NJ Transit Commuter
    OT, but watching QE II’s funeral now.

    What’s the over / under for the first article criticizing it for being so overtly Christian and white?

    More seriously, look at Westminster Abbey and listen to the hymns. Very fashionable to criticize the how evil and rotten Western culture is. But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?

    Replies: @Clark Kent, @Barnard, @Polistra, @usNthem, @Carol, @SFG, @Janbar, @International Jew, @Thoughts, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Prester John

    Jews and negroes have already begun writing articles about how racist and evil the queen was. Not surprised at all.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Clark Kent

    I guess she didn't circumcise her sons.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Clark Kent

    "Jews and negroes have already begun writing articles about how racist and evil the queen was."

    In Afua Hirsh you get a two-for-one deal!

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/13/queen-reign-death-elizabeth-ii-uk-minorities-british-empire


    ...the harrowing memories of a legacy the British establishment has refused to acknowledge. The plunder of land and diamonds in South Africa, crimes that adorned the Queen’s very crown. The physical suffering that continues from violence inflicted by her government in Kenya, even as her reign was celebrated for having begun there. The scars of genocide in Nigeria, events that took place a decade into her rule..
     
  9. But then Blacks would get disproportionately more tickets and disproportionately not pay them. So eventually they’d have warrants, get pulled over for that, then resist arrest, and then we’d have a bunch of George Floyd incidents. May sound Cynical, but probably true.

    That might have been true in the past, but with big cities implementing no-bail laws for most crimes, they would quickly implement no-warrant rules for traffic violations; instead of warrants, they would just go right to attaching wages (making sure that it’s only enforced for people who have income to attach).

    After all, it’s clear that in Chicago, New York, LA, Philadelphia, etc. (not to mention the federal government) the goal is not to reduce crime, but to raise income. Therefore, law “enforcement” will continue to move from incarceration to monetary penalties and seizures.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Technite78

    Fewer traffic stops seriously makes drug dealing easier. I guess cities need a major industry to be competitive with internet retail?

  10. Arrest warrants do not have be issued for unpaid moving violations. The Denver Boot and or t0w truck can be used to immobilize and impound vehicles as is done for unpaid parking violations. This would remove police from the enforcement operation ( unless the miscreants attack parking enforcment personnel booting or towing vehicles) which would make the police happy if not the car owner. Since the police would only become involved upon receiving a request from parking authority personnel being threatened or attacked there would be a non police witness and request for help in case the police have to subdue or shoot a motorist.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Unit472

    No no no you don't understand you can't just enforce existing law and carry out procedures which have existed for decades Look THIS IS ABOUT THE CLIMATE.

  11. There is no final solution to blackness.

  12. People keep writing about the death or imprisonment of violent thugs as if it’s a bad thing.

    Not only is it good, it’s good irrespective of race or age.

    On a separate note, what is it about Rick Perlstein that makes him think he should be entitled to break a speed limit free of consequences?

    Shouldn’t he be setting an example to reckless young men by assiduously behaving in a civilised manner? Or does he think that being a “liberal historian” should accord him privileges above the common herd?

  13. The police catch a lot of criminals in traffic stops. Or so I read. Are there stats on how many?

  14. Speed Cameras: No.

    They violate Bill of Rights, Amendment VI:

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

    It’s going to be more than license plate character recognition after a while. AI will determine that you, Steve, are a racist White guy and need to be pulled over first.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, I suppose a human from DMV observes the traffic camera and becomes a witness against you.

    And Merrick Garland observes the color of your skin and gleefully becomes a witness against you.

    , @Pat Kittle
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Officer, why did you pull me over?

    Coz a slabery!

    , @The Alarmist
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Maybe they can bring the camera to court.

    I plead a couple tickets down by paying a visit to the county prosecutor, who said "Are you going to make me bring the officer to court?" No points and a much lower fine.

    , @guest007
    @Achmed E. Newman

    This would be an argument against all video evidence since there is no witness but then again, all the state needs to do is have someone testify how the video was taken and to attest to the date and accuracy of the speed camera. The idea that the courts cannot evolve past what was done in 1790 is laughable.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @GeraldB
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It's a speeding ticket, not a criminal prosecution.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Pixo
    @Achmed E. Newman

    (1) this right doesn’t extend to infractions

    (2) the witness you confront is whoever authenticates the camera evidence, same thing if a security cam catches you shoplifting.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Cloudbuster
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "...to be confronted with the witnesses against him"

    Dave, in court: "Admit it, you soulless AI, you faked my speed data to get back at me for junking my smart fridge!"

    Hal: "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."

  15. @NJ Transit Commuter
    OT, but watching QE II’s funeral now.

    What’s the over / under for the first article criticizing it for being so overtly Christian and white?

    More seriously, look at Westminster Abbey and listen to the hymns. Very fashionable to criticize the how evil and rotten Western culture is. But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?

    Replies: @Clark Kent, @Barnard, @Polistra, @usNthem, @Carol, @SFG, @Janbar, @International Jew, @Thoughts, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Prester John

    Margaret Thatcher’s funeral was the same way. This about the only thing left the British get right.

  16. Speed cameras, like breathalyzers and radar detectors, are one of those weird areas of law where courts have basically allowed defense attorneys unlimited range to challenge the accuracy, often times with success. Every few years a “new” breathalyzer or speed camera comes out, and then a few years later that model is banned or found to have “severe” flaws, so old convictions based solely on the machine get thrown out. And a good defense attorney in an individual case can demand the “working” machine at issue against his client and pick it apart to make it seem unreliable.

    Most other areas of law with machine-reliance don’t have this kind of play. The only explanation I can come up with is that judges must get pulled over a lot more than we think.

    N.B.: Cops have found that the best way to get a conviction to stick is to basically follow the speeders for a mile or two, note the speed the cop car is going to maintain pace, and then report that speed. For some reason, their car speed’s calibration isn’t challenged successfully.

  17. @The Alarmist
    If you've been paying attention, you'll know that machines, particularly AI, but all machines are racist. Apparently Highways are racist too.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-admin-starts-fixing-racist-roads-grant-dismantle-highway

    Replies: @bomag, @Polistra, @International Jew, @BosTex, @AnotherDad, @Sparkling Wiggle

    $100 million to rebuild one mile of highway? Why so little? (LOL.)

    …many longtime black residents worry they may be priced out of the city as the improvements will lead to gentrification.

    You can’t win.

  18. @Achmed E. Newman
    Speed Cameras: No.

    They violate Bill of Rights, Amendment VI:

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
     
    It's going to be more than license plate character recognition after a while. AI will determine that you, Steve, are a racist White guy and need to be pulled over first.

    Replies: @bomag, @Pat Kittle, @The Alarmist, @guest007, @GeraldB, @Pixo, @Cloudbuster

    Well, I suppose a human from DMV observes the traffic camera and becomes a witness against you.

    And Merrick Garland observes the color of your skin and gleefully becomes a witness against you.

  19. Are you guys watching the Queen’s funeral?

    Very well done, if you ask me.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Are you guys watching the Queen’s funeral?
    ...
    Very well done, if you ask me.

     

    Geez what is it with a bunch of you guys. Supposed "Americans".

    She was some old lady--not your momma--in a foreign country. Who, btw, was a crappy queen. "Reigned" over the worse 70 years of British history--bar none. While not directly responsible, did absolutely nothing with the political and persuasive powers she had to halt her nation's slide into the abyss. And if a modern monarch has any purpose beyond "looter" and "tourist attraction" it's that.

    Seriously some pomp with dudes dressed up like they're from the 16th century and you get all excited. What are you all homosexual royalists?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  20. @Achmed E. Newman
    Speed Cameras: No.

    They violate Bill of Rights, Amendment VI:

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
     
    It's going to be more than license plate character recognition after a while. AI will determine that you, Steve, are a racist White guy and need to be pulled over first.

    Replies: @bomag, @Pat Kittle, @The Alarmist, @guest007, @GeraldB, @Pixo, @Cloudbuster

    Officer, why did you pull me over?

    Coz a slabery!

  21. @Achmed E. Newman
    Speed Cameras: No.

    They violate Bill of Rights, Amendment VI:

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
     
    It's going to be more than license plate character recognition after a while. AI will determine that you, Steve, are a racist White guy and need to be pulled over first.

    Replies: @bomag, @Pat Kittle, @The Alarmist, @guest007, @GeraldB, @Pixo, @Cloudbuster

    Maybe they can bring the camera to court.

    I plead a couple tickets down by paying a visit to the county prosecutor, who said “Are you going to make me bring the officer to court?” No points and a much lower fine.

  22. @NJ Transit Commuter
    OT, but watching QE II’s funeral now.

    What’s the over / under for the first article criticizing it for being so overtly Christian and white?

    More seriously, look at Westminster Abbey and listen to the hymns. Very fashionable to criticize the how evil and rotten Western culture is. But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?

    Replies: @Clark Kent, @Barnard, @Polistra, @usNthem, @Carol, @SFG, @Janbar, @International Jew, @Thoughts, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Prester John

    But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?

    Another question: how could a culture like this have been turned completely suicidal in just a few decades?

    • Replies: @clifford brown
    @Polistra

    They lost World War II.

  23. I seem to recall reading that speed cameras cause a lot of accidents from motorists suddenly remembering/spotting them and hitting the brakes abruptly.

    • Agree: follyofwar, mike99588
    • Replies: @guest007
    @Arclight

    One should probably put in the five minutes of Googling to find those studies rather than just speculate.

    From the CDC website: Speed cameras can reduce crashes substantially. [Decina, Thomas, et al., 2007] reviewed 13 safety impact studies of automated speed enforcement internationally, including one study from a United States jurisdiction. The best-controlled studies suggest injury crash reductions are likely to be in the range of 20 to 25 percent at conspicuous, fixed camera sites.

    https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/calculator/factsheet/speed.html#:~:text=Recent%20Research%20on%20Effectiveness,-A%202010%20update&text=Speed%20cameras%20also%20reduced%20total,data%20collected%20near%20camera%20sites.

    , @I, Libertine
    @Arclight

    Yes. Red light camera tickets at intersections are particularly dangerous. They are known safety hazards, but, hey, they make big bucks! And politicians can boast at election time that they didn't raise your taxes.

    Just to make sure they earn a handsome profit, the municipality (through its contractor, who shares in the ill-gotten gains) usually shortens the duration of the yellow light, to catch more of its citizenry, People who know it's a red light intersection panic stop at yellow lights, only to be rear-ended by those who don't.

    I wish the commenter who argues that traffic cameras are unconstitutional had a case. But the payments we're forced to make are not criminal sanctions. They are civil fines. As long as you pay up, the politicians don't care if you're a dangerous driver. That's not the point.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Arclight

    That'd be the case with red light cameras even more so. Been there, done that.

    , @ForeverCARealist
    @Arclight

    Speed cameras will work, but the fines need to be lower, and there needs to be plenty of warnings showing up in the mail... maybe on your phone?...

    Newer cars already have the speed limit showing up on the dashboard telling you whether you're over the limit or not. The computers everywhere could tabulate who drives safely and who doesn't.

    My son got a good driver discount by putting an app on his phone that relayed all his driving to the insurance company. For 3 months they tracked him to tell if he was peeling out or slamming on the breaks a lot. After that trial he deleted the app.

    I could see the insurance companies rating people not on their demographic or locale, but directly on their driving. "Hey, you drive like you're drag racing all the time. Are you? Your insurance will cost $1000/month."

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Arclight

  24. @NJ Transit Commuter
    OT, but watching QE II’s funeral now.

    What’s the over / under for the first article criticizing it for being so overtly Christian and white?

    More seriously, look at Westminster Abbey and listen to the hymns. Very fashionable to criticize the how evil and rotten Western culture is. But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?

    Replies: @Clark Kent, @Barnard, @Polistra, @usNthem, @Carol, @SFG, @Janbar, @International Jew, @Thoughts, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Prester John

    Unfortunately, yes.

  25. @The Alarmist
    If you've been paying attention, you'll know that machines, particularly AI, but all machines are racist. Apparently Highways are racist too.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-admin-starts-fixing-racist-roads-grant-dismantle-highway

    Replies: @bomag, @Polistra, @International Jew, @BosTex, @AnotherDad, @Sparkling Wiggle

    And diets. Ain’t nothing more racist than whitesplaining that some food is supposedly more “healthy” than whatever tastes good. That’s not even good science yo.

    Disparate health outcomes are the result of medicalized white supremacy.

    • Agree: Sam Malone
    • Replies: @Sam Malone
    @Polistra

    Saw this on Breaking Points. That black woman doctor goes by the title "Black Nutritionist" or something. Turns out she works for one of the big junk food companies and is coming up with creative ways to enrich them.

  26. @Achmed E. Newman
    Speed Cameras: No.

    They violate Bill of Rights, Amendment VI:

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
     
    It's going to be more than license plate character recognition after a while. AI will determine that you, Steve, are a racist White guy and need to be pulled over first.

    Replies: @bomag, @Pat Kittle, @The Alarmist, @guest007, @GeraldB, @Pixo, @Cloudbuster

    This would be an argument against all video evidence since there is no witness but then again, all the state needs to do is have someone testify how the video was taken and to attest to the date and accuracy of the speed camera. The idea that the courts cannot evolve past what was done in 1790 is laughable.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @guest007

    Right, get someone to come testify, and we'll go over the calibration, the conditions, and so on.

    It's not 1984 either yet, buddy. How do you feel about your prosecution and conviction being completely automated, with not a human involved? Fuck that.

    Replies: @guest007

  27. @Arclight
    I seem to recall reading that speed cameras cause a lot of accidents from motorists suddenly remembering/spotting them and hitting the brakes abruptly.

    Replies: @guest007, @I, Libertine, @Achmed E. Newman, @ForeverCARealist

    One should probably put in the five minutes of Googling to find those studies rather than just speculate.

    From the CDC website: Speed cameras can reduce crashes substantially. [Decina, Thomas, et al., 2007] reviewed 13 safety impact studies of automated speed enforcement internationally, including one study from a United States jurisdiction. The best-controlled studies suggest injury crash reductions are likely to be in the range of 20 to 25 percent at conspicuous, fixed camera sites.

    https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/calculator/factsheet/speed.html#:~:text=Recent%20Research%20on%20Effectiveness,-A%202010%20update&text=Speed%20cameras%20also%20reduced%20total,data%20collected%20near%20camera%20sites.

  28. A question for everyone is whether they would rather have higher property taxes or more speed cameras. Property taxes are a tax on those with wealth, with the ability to save, and the ability to plan for the future. Traffic cameras are a tax on the short term thinking of the stupid. I would rather that the stupid pay more.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  29. Kind of OT but really not. NY state taking Steve’s advice;
    https://www.thecity.nyc/justice/2022/9/13/23352167/convicted-pot-dealers-promised-first-licenses-process-difficult
    Steve is kind of the shadow Clark Clifford of our time. The unacknowledged ’eminence grise’ behind many current proposals. I think Clifford’s gig was more profitable, though.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @kaganovitch

    The details of the proposal, as is befitting for the Empire State, are an absolute grifter's paradise, of course.

    , @additionalMike
    @kaganovitch

    Once the NY State Dem Party discovered that it could do the most outrageous things without acts of journalism being committed against it (OK with the exception of Fox News and the NY Post), all bets were off.
    My State has gone crazy.

  30. Let me get this straight: you can shoplift up to $950 with no consequences, but 6 mph over the limit and a warrant is issued?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anon

    Shoplift to pay the ticket, I guess.

    , @Alden
    @Anon

    You can also steal $949.00 or something worth $949.00 and not get charged. Shoplifting robbery its all theft.

  31. Geofencing.

    10-20 years from now.

    Mark me.

    • Replies: @mike99588
    @countenance

    here now
    10 years hence ubiquitous

    Replies: @countenance

  32. @Arclight
    I seem to recall reading that speed cameras cause a lot of accidents from motorists suddenly remembering/spotting them and hitting the brakes abruptly.

    Replies: @guest007, @I, Libertine, @Achmed E. Newman, @ForeverCARealist

    Yes. Red light camera tickets at intersections are particularly dangerous. They are known safety hazards, but, hey, they make big bucks! And politicians can boast at election time that they didn’t raise your taxes.

    Just to make sure they earn a handsome profit, the municipality (through its contractor, who shares in the ill-gotten gains) usually shortens the duration of the yellow light, to catch more of its citizenry, People who know it’s a red light intersection panic stop at yellow lights, only to be rear-ended by those who don’t.

    I wish the commenter who argues that traffic cameras are unconstitutional had a case. But the payments we’re forced to make are not criminal sanctions. They are civil fines. As long as you pay up, the politicians don’t care if you’re a dangerous driver. That’s not the point.

    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
    • Replies: @anon
    @I, Libertine

    It's Big Brother.

    You can't even drive around on an empty road that you have all to yourself without feeling the sword of Damocles hanging over your head.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  33. @kaganovitch
    Kind of OT but really not. NY state taking Steve's advice;
    https://www.thecity.nyc/justice/2022/9/13/23352167/convicted-pot-dealers-promised-first-licenses-process-difficult
    Steve is kind of the shadow Clark Clifford of our time. The unacknowledged 'eminence grise' behind many current proposals. I think Clifford's gig was more profitable, though.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @additionalMike

    The details of the proposal, as is befitting for the Empire State, are an absolute grifter’s paradise, of course.

  34. Similar thing happened in Ohio with regards front license plates. I don’t know for certain if the de-policing angle allowed it to get over the line or if the general right libertarian hostility to front lisense plates was enough but it certainly was a narrative that emerged in the years leading up to them removing the law.

    This came after a cause celebre where a guy got stopped but couldn’t produce his lisense since he didn’t have it on him. Officer suspected he might be driving with suspended lisense and proceeded to take steps to get him out of the car for a longer encounter rather than just issuing a warning or fine. Officer claims he was or thought he was being dragged as the guy began to take off as he had his hand inside the car. He shot the guy in the head.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/31/front-license-plate-ohio-law-samuel-dubose

    When Hamilton County prosecutor Joseph Deters announced this week that he would file charges against the officer who shot and killed Samuel DuBose, an unarmed black man, he lamented the traffic stop had started over a missing front license plate.

    “He was dealing with someone without a front license plate,” said Deters. “I mean, this was, in the vernacular, a very chicken-crap stop.”

    And, by some accounts, a common legal violation.

    After the announcement, people took to Twitter to point out just how common it is not to have a front license plate in Ohio. Many suggested that they too could have been DuBose.

    “I drove around Ohio with no front license plates for a decade. I could have been #SamDubose,” another user tweeted.

    According to Ohio bureau of motor vehicles spokesperson Lindsey Bohrer, license plates are issued in a set. But some residents report that they didn’t know the law, or didn’t start complying until they received a ticket.

    Seems like simply being stopped for not having front lisense plates wasn’t key to what happened at all. He could have been stopped for anything and got caught driving with a suspended lisense, panicked and drove off in a way that panicked the officer in turn. But the argument still stands that the fewer times guys like this are stopped the less likely they are to do this. That’s the problem not that people do that.

    https://cincinnati.com/story/news/local/2015/07/23/eliminating-front-license-plate-helped-shooting/30545935

    COLUMBUS – If Ohio did not require a front license plate, Samuel Dubose never would have been stopped for missing one.

    Dubose, who was unarmed, was shot and killed Sunday by University of Cincinnati Police Officer Ray Tensing following a struggle between the two men, officials reported, adding that Dubose was stopped initially for driving without a front license plate near campus.

    Some Ohio lawmakers wanted to eliminate front license plates, a move that would save an estimated $1.4 million used to produce and distribute them. Nineteen states do not require a front license plate, including neighbors Kentucky, Indiana Michigan, Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

    Proposed legislation, introduced in April, would require Ohio drivers to display only one license plate on the back of vehicles. Drivers would pay $1 less in fees to replace or exchange license plates. Supporters say eliminating a license plate would save money and reduce minor traffic stops, which research shows can be used in racial profiling.

    The elimination of laws requiring front lisense plates is a weird one to have such success in North America but it seems it only go in one direction, against such laws in US states and Canadian provinces. The only people organised to oppose such moves are police since not being able to ID a vehicle plate half the time doesn’t help them much. Now there is the de-policing angle pushing for it too.

    • Replies: @Chris Renner
    @Altai

    That Cincinnati.com piece has an interesting variant of "Mostly Peaceful" that I don't recall seeing too often:


    Dubose has been charged more than 75 times in Hamilton County. Most of the charges were nonviolent: driving without a license, joyriding, having windows tinted too dark, misdemeanor drug possession.
     
    Translated: he could have been charged with up to 37 violent crimes, but the "most" lets us get away with pretending he's just some guy who the police shot because they're a bunch of killjoys, and the "joyriding" makes him seem even more fun!

    (This assumes that the reader doesn't know that joyriding is basically the same as grand theft auto, except that the thief is kind enough to stop driving the car once it's wrecked or runs out of gas.)
    , @rebel yell
    @Altai


    He could have been stopped for anything and got caught driving with a suspended lisense, panicked and drove off in a way that panicked the officer in turn.
     
    I've been pulled over a few times in my life for speeding. At no point would I have ever even considered hitting the accelerator and fleeing to get away from the police.
    "Panicked and drove off" is not a truthful description. People who hit the accelerator and flee from the police are by definition dangerous, and dangerously stupid, people. Normal people don't do this. Criminals do this. If they get shot while fleeing, it's okay with me.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Altai


    Drivers would pay $1 less in fees to replace or exchange license plates.
     
    Since the front plates are useful to highway authorities, shouldn't the vehicle owner pay more for the privilege of going without? Same with cycle helmets. I've never understood the "libertarian" argument against such things, as the deeper argument is that the owner of the property has the right to make up any rules he wishes for others crossing his land. So suck it up.

    Build your own highway.

    Replies: @Adam Smith

  35. Not only white liberals, but white libertarians, would object to cameras which would threaten their precious right to violate the traffic laws. Antinominanism comes in left and rightwing flavors.

  36. @Arclight
    I seem to recall reading that speed cameras cause a lot of accidents from motorists suddenly remembering/spotting them and hitting the brakes abruptly.

    Replies: @guest007, @I, Libertine, @Achmed E. Newman, @ForeverCARealist

    That’d be the case with red light cameras even more so. Been there, done that.

    • Agree: usNthem
  37. OT: You will be shocked, I say shocked, to find out that the new head of DIE at DoD is an anti-white lunatic.

    Sample quote: “this lady actually had the CAUdacity to say that black people can be racist too…I had to stop the session and give Karen the BUSINESS…we are not the majority, we don’t have power.”

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/the-defense-department-has-a-chief-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-officer-heres-why-she-hates-you/

  38. ANY law, if equally enforced,will lead to an unequally large proportion of blacks getting prosecuted. There is no category of law that they dont lead all races in violating. Therefore we can conclude that any and all laws will be called “racist” at some point, prompting calls to have them repealed, up to and including murder.

  39. @Achmed E. Newman
    Speed Cameras: No.

    They violate Bill of Rights, Amendment VI:

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
     
    It's going to be more than license plate character recognition after a while. AI will determine that you, Steve, are a racist White guy and need to be pulled over first.

    Replies: @bomag, @Pat Kittle, @The Alarmist, @guest007, @GeraldB, @Pixo, @Cloudbuster

    It’s a speeding ticket, not a criminal prosecution.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @GeraldB

    You've got every right to a jury trial.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz

  40. They have outsmarted us. A huge percentage of black malefactors drive around with no tags, rendering the cameras and racist AI totally impotent. The only way to get the tagless drivers is with real live traffic stops, as those decline expect tagless driving to increase accordingly.

  41. This experiment already ran in Rochester, NY

    https://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/rochester/lovely-warrens-right-about-red-light-cameras/Content?oid=2935008&media=AMP+HTML

    Red light camera were removed by order of the black woman mayor (since removed for her own scandals) because they disproportionately affected “poor people”.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @ANJ


    Red light camera were removed by order of the black woman mayor (since removed for her own scandals) because they disproportionately affected “poor people”.
     
    They had these posted in the nicer parts of Rochester I frequented, so I'm fine with this.
  42. @Altai
    Similar thing happened in Ohio with regards front license plates. I don't know for certain if the de-policing angle allowed it to get over the line or if the general right libertarian hostility to front lisense plates was enough but it certainly was a narrative that emerged in the years leading up to them removing the law.

    This came after a cause celebre where a guy got stopped but couldn't produce his lisense since he didn't have it on him. Officer suspected he might be driving with suspended lisense and proceeded to take steps to get him out of the car for a longer encounter rather than just issuing a warning or fine. Officer claims he was or thought he was being dragged as the guy began to take off as he had his hand inside the car. He shot the guy in the head.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/31/front-license-plate-ohio-law-samuel-dubose


    When Hamilton County prosecutor Joseph Deters announced this week that he would file charges against the officer who shot and killed Samuel DuBose, an unarmed black man, he lamented the traffic stop had started over a missing front license plate.

    “He was dealing with someone without a front license plate,” said Deters. “I mean, this was, in the vernacular, a very chicken-crap stop.”

    And, by some accounts, a common legal violation.

    After the announcement, people took to Twitter to point out just how common it is not to have a front license plate in Ohio. Many suggested that they too could have been DuBose.

    “I drove around Ohio with no front license plates for a decade. I could have been #SamDubose,” another user tweeted.

    According to Ohio bureau of motor vehicles spokesperson Lindsey Bohrer, license plates are issued in a set. But some residents report that they didn’t know the law, or didn’t start complying until they received a ticket.
     

    Seems like simply being stopped for not having front lisense plates wasn't key to what happened at all. He could have been stopped for anything and got caught driving with a suspended lisense, panicked and drove off in a way that panicked the officer in turn. But the argument still stands that the fewer times guys like this are stopped the less likely they are to do this. That's the problem not that people do that.

    https://cincinnati.com/story/news/local/2015/07/23/eliminating-front-license-plate-helped-shooting/30545935


    COLUMBUS – If Ohio did not require a front license plate, Samuel Dubose never would have been stopped for missing one.

    Dubose, who was unarmed, was shot and killed Sunday by University of Cincinnati Police Officer Ray Tensing following a struggle between the two men, officials reported, adding that Dubose was stopped initially for driving without a front license plate near campus.

    Some Ohio lawmakers wanted to eliminate front license plates, a move that would save an estimated $1.4 million used to produce and distribute them. Nineteen states do not require a front license plate, including neighbors Kentucky, Indiana Michigan, Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

    Proposed legislation, introduced in April, would require Ohio drivers to display only one license plate on the back of vehicles. Drivers would pay $1 less in fees to replace or exchange license plates. Supporters say eliminating a license plate would save money and reduce minor traffic stops, which research shows can be used in racial profiling.
     

    The elimination of laws requiring front lisense plates is a weird one to have such success in North America but it seems it only go in one direction, against such laws in US states and Canadian provinces. The only people organised to oppose such moves are police since not being able to ID a vehicle plate half the time doesn't help them much. Now there is the de-policing angle pushing for it too.

    Replies: @Chris Renner, @rebel yell, @Reg Cæsar

    That Cincinnati.com piece has an interesting variant of “Mostly Peaceful” that I don’t recall seeing too often:

    Dubose has been charged more than 75 times in Hamilton County. Most of the charges were nonviolent: driving without a license, joyriding, having windows tinted too dark, misdemeanor drug possession.

    Translated: he could have been charged with up to 37 violent crimes, but the “most” lets us get away with pretending he’s just some guy who the police shot because they’re a bunch of killjoys, and the “joyriding” makes him seem even more fun!

    (This assumes that the reader doesn’t know that joyriding is basically the same as grand theft auto, except that the thief is kind enough to stop driving the car once it’s wrecked or runs out of gas.)

    • Thanks: Renard
  43. @Arclight
    I seem to recall reading that speed cameras cause a lot of accidents from motorists suddenly remembering/spotting them and hitting the brakes abruptly.

    Replies: @guest007, @I, Libertine, @Achmed E. Newman, @ForeverCARealist

    Speed cameras will work, but the fines need to be lower, and there needs to be plenty of warnings showing up in the mail… maybe on your phone?…

    Newer cars already have the speed limit showing up on the dashboard telling you whether you’re over the limit or not. The computers everywhere could tabulate who drives safely and who doesn’t.

    My son got a good driver discount by putting an app on his phone that relayed all his driving to the insurance company. For 3 months they tracked him to tell if he was peeling out or slamming on the breaks a lot. After that trial he deleted the app.

    I could see the insurance companies rating people not on their demographic or locale, but directly on their driving. “Hey, you drive like you’re drag racing all the time. Are you? Your insurance will cost $1000/month.”

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @ForeverCARealist


    Speed cameras will work, but the fines need to be lower, and there needs to be plenty of warnings showing up in the mail… maybe on your phone?…
     
    Sounds like a good idea. For example if you are over the limit three times within a week, then you get a fine, and the fines are progressive if you continue to offend. If you are a frequent offender, then you can link a debit card or credit card to your speeding account, so it would work a bit like the tolls in Florida.

    I am sure the technology is there because even here in Ecuador, every time I use my ATM card to buy groceries or withdraw cash, I immediately get a text message summarizing the transaction, and asking me to report it to if it is fake.

    There's something not quite right about using speeding fines to boost city and state revenues. The purpose of speeding laws should be to reduce speeding and improve road safety, and they should be reviewed every so often to see if they are achieving that end. Otherwise states and cities may actually encourage speeding to increase revenue.

    In cities with congested traffic, that should also be evaluations of improvements to roads to determine whether the commute times are on average improving or getting worse. One would need to identify the circumstances that cause delays, for example bad weather, or accidents, and work on things like getting accidents cleared away quickly.

    A few years ago, north of Jacksonville in Florida, there was a very unfortunate incident when an illegal immigrant was apprehended at a gas station by border control and cops, at about 6:30 in the morning and run away across the road.

    A cop ran after him and was hit by a passing car and killed. 5 hours later the whole 4-lane highway was still virtually closed with detours round the stores, and traffic backed up for miles with people getting very impatient. I was one of them.e

    If circumstances that make people get impatient or make them late for work could be reduced, you might get a reduction in overall statistics for speeding.

    Insurance discounts for not speeding, as demonstrated by an app on a phone could also discourage speeding, especially if surcharges were imposed when speeding was identified. This would have the effect of discouraging speeding without bringing law enforcement into the equation.

    Another intervention might be for cops to drag speeding motorists out of their vehicles and beat them to death. Pour encourager les autres.

    Whichever way, there ought to be a lot more research into ways of reducing speeding. The current laws seem to go back to the era of horse drawn vehicles.

    , @Arclight
    @ForeverCARealist

    In theory not a bad idea/incentive but since like all punitive measures it will disproportionately impact those with the hardest time following the rules in the first place no doubt the disparate impact would result in 'reforms' that gut the entire purpose.

    Replies: @ForeverCARealist

  44. One of the stupidest things I ever read….

  45. Apparently, the city of Chicago cut the grace zone from 10 mph over the speed limit to 5 mph without telling anybody to close the budget deficit.

    But the city only gets something like $3 or $4 out of every $100 ticket. The rest gets split up between the County, courts, traffic education and safety programs, and a bunch of other government hands.

  46. “Unarmed”?

    No, he had a weapon weighing at least a ton and a half – his vehicle.

    Stop lying.

  47. OT — Sky News has a magnificent feed of the funeral of QEII

  48. @Altai
    Similar thing happened in Ohio with regards front license plates. I don't know for certain if the de-policing angle allowed it to get over the line or if the general right libertarian hostility to front lisense plates was enough but it certainly was a narrative that emerged in the years leading up to them removing the law.

    This came after a cause celebre where a guy got stopped but couldn't produce his lisense since he didn't have it on him. Officer suspected he might be driving with suspended lisense and proceeded to take steps to get him out of the car for a longer encounter rather than just issuing a warning or fine. Officer claims he was or thought he was being dragged as the guy began to take off as he had his hand inside the car. He shot the guy in the head.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/31/front-license-plate-ohio-law-samuel-dubose


    When Hamilton County prosecutor Joseph Deters announced this week that he would file charges against the officer who shot and killed Samuel DuBose, an unarmed black man, he lamented the traffic stop had started over a missing front license plate.

    “He was dealing with someone without a front license plate,” said Deters. “I mean, this was, in the vernacular, a very chicken-crap stop.”

    And, by some accounts, a common legal violation.

    After the announcement, people took to Twitter to point out just how common it is not to have a front license plate in Ohio. Many suggested that they too could have been DuBose.

    “I drove around Ohio with no front license plates for a decade. I could have been #SamDubose,” another user tweeted.

    According to Ohio bureau of motor vehicles spokesperson Lindsey Bohrer, license plates are issued in a set. But some residents report that they didn’t know the law, or didn’t start complying until they received a ticket.
     

    Seems like simply being stopped for not having front lisense plates wasn't key to what happened at all. He could have been stopped for anything and got caught driving with a suspended lisense, panicked and drove off in a way that panicked the officer in turn. But the argument still stands that the fewer times guys like this are stopped the less likely they are to do this. That's the problem not that people do that.

    https://cincinnati.com/story/news/local/2015/07/23/eliminating-front-license-plate-helped-shooting/30545935


    COLUMBUS – If Ohio did not require a front license plate, Samuel Dubose never would have been stopped for missing one.

    Dubose, who was unarmed, was shot and killed Sunday by University of Cincinnati Police Officer Ray Tensing following a struggle between the two men, officials reported, adding that Dubose was stopped initially for driving without a front license plate near campus.

    Some Ohio lawmakers wanted to eliminate front license plates, a move that would save an estimated $1.4 million used to produce and distribute them. Nineteen states do not require a front license plate, including neighbors Kentucky, Indiana Michigan, Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

    Proposed legislation, introduced in April, would require Ohio drivers to display only one license plate on the back of vehicles. Drivers would pay $1 less in fees to replace or exchange license plates. Supporters say eliminating a license plate would save money and reduce minor traffic stops, which research shows can be used in racial profiling.
     

    The elimination of laws requiring front lisense plates is a weird one to have such success in North America but it seems it only go in one direction, against such laws in US states and Canadian provinces. The only people organised to oppose such moves are police since not being able to ID a vehicle plate half the time doesn't help them much. Now there is the de-policing angle pushing for it too.

    Replies: @Chris Renner, @rebel yell, @Reg Cæsar

    He could have been stopped for anything and got caught driving with a suspended lisense, panicked and drove off in a way that panicked the officer in turn.

    I’ve been pulled over a few times in my life for speeding. At no point would I have ever even considered hitting the accelerator and fleeing to get away from the police.
    “Panicked and drove off” is not a truthful description. People who hit the accelerator and flee from the police are by definition dangerous, and dangerously stupid, people. Normal people don’t do this. Criminals do this. If they get shot while fleeing, it’s okay with me.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  49. for going 41 mph in a 35 mph zone?

    There was that cop in Saskatchewan who ticketed a driver for going 41 kph in a 40 kph zone or thereabouts). The man had merely passed the cruiser, which was driving well under the limit for some reason. The cop apparently took it seriously.

    But then, a Saskatchewan cop’s life is going to be pretty dull. Off the reserve, anyway.

  50. @Achmed E. Newman
    Speed Cameras: No.

    They violate Bill of Rights, Amendment VI:

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
     
    It's going to be more than license plate character recognition after a while. AI will determine that you, Steve, are a racist White guy and need to be pulled over first.

    Replies: @bomag, @Pat Kittle, @The Alarmist, @guest007, @GeraldB, @Pixo, @Cloudbuster

    (1) this right doesn’t extend to infractions

    (2) the witness you confront is whoever authenticates the camera evidence, same thing if a security cam catches you shoplifting.

    • Agree: TWS
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Pixo

    (1) An "infraction" is a term for a criminal act.

    (2) This is about a witness in a court of law. If more people would take these camera-recorded "infractions" to court, we'd see how this turns out. The State and the Big Biz running the cameras and collecting the dough don't expect this to happen, due to people's concerns about their time and opportunity cost in court.

  51. @Altai
    Similar thing happened in Ohio with regards front license plates. I don't know for certain if the de-policing angle allowed it to get over the line or if the general right libertarian hostility to front lisense plates was enough but it certainly was a narrative that emerged in the years leading up to them removing the law.

    This came after a cause celebre where a guy got stopped but couldn't produce his lisense since he didn't have it on him. Officer suspected he might be driving with suspended lisense and proceeded to take steps to get him out of the car for a longer encounter rather than just issuing a warning or fine. Officer claims he was or thought he was being dragged as the guy began to take off as he had his hand inside the car. He shot the guy in the head.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/31/front-license-plate-ohio-law-samuel-dubose


    When Hamilton County prosecutor Joseph Deters announced this week that he would file charges against the officer who shot and killed Samuel DuBose, an unarmed black man, he lamented the traffic stop had started over a missing front license plate.

    “He was dealing with someone without a front license plate,” said Deters. “I mean, this was, in the vernacular, a very chicken-crap stop.”

    And, by some accounts, a common legal violation.

    After the announcement, people took to Twitter to point out just how common it is not to have a front license plate in Ohio. Many suggested that they too could have been DuBose.

    “I drove around Ohio with no front license plates for a decade. I could have been #SamDubose,” another user tweeted.

    According to Ohio bureau of motor vehicles spokesperson Lindsey Bohrer, license plates are issued in a set. But some residents report that they didn’t know the law, or didn’t start complying until they received a ticket.
     

    Seems like simply being stopped for not having front lisense plates wasn't key to what happened at all. He could have been stopped for anything and got caught driving with a suspended lisense, panicked and drove off in a way that panicked the officer in turn. But the argument still stands that the fewer times guys like this are stopped the less likely they are to do this. That's the problem not that people do that.

    https://cincinnati.com/story/news/local/2015/07/23/eliminating-front-license-plate-helped-shooting/30545935


    COLUMBUS – If Ohio did not require a front license plate, Samuel Dubose never would have been stopped for missing one.

    Dubose, who was unarmed, was shot and killed Sunday by University of Cincinnati Police Officer Ray Tensing following a struggle between the two men, officials reported, adding that Dubose was stopped initially for driving without a front license plate near campus.

    Some Ohio lawmakers wanted to eliminate front license plates, a move that would save an estimated $1.4 million used to produce and distribute them. Nineteen states do not require a front license plate, including neighbors Kentucky, Indiana Michigan, Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

    Proposed legislation, introduced in April, would require Ohio drivers to display only one license plate on the back of vehicles. Drivers would pay $1 less in fees to replace or exchange license plates. Supporters say eliminating a license plate would save money and reduce minor traffic stops, which research shows can be used in racial profiling.
     

    The elimination of laws requiring front lisense plates is a weird one to have such success in North America but it seems it only go in one direction, against such laws in US states and Canadian provinces. The only people organised to oppose such moves are police since not being able to ID a vehicle plate half the time doesn't help them much. Now there is the de-policing angle pushing for it too.

    Replies: @Chris Renner, @rebel yell, @Reg Cæsar

    Drivers would pay $1 less in fees to replace or exchange license plates.

    Since the front plates are useful to highway authorities, shouldn’t the vehicle owner pay more for the privilege of going without? Same with cycle helmets. I’ve never understood the “libertarian” argument against such things, as the deeper argument is that the owner of the property has the right to make up any rules he wishes for others crossing his land. So suck it up.

    Build your own highway.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    @Reg Cæsar

    The "state" does not own the highways, it holds them in trust for the people.

    The state may own the fee, or it may own only an easement, but the result is the same; the highways are held by the state for use as public thoroughfares. "The streets belong to the public, and are primarily for the use of the public in the ordinary way."

    Or, well, that used to be the case before the criminals masquerading as "government" went bankrupt and pledged us all as collateral for their war debt (while few good thinking people even noticed much less objected).

    So pay your victory tax! All your commerce are belong to us, partner.

  52. @NJ Transit Commuter
    OT, but watching QE II’s funeral now.

    What’s the over / under for the first article criticizing it for being so overtly Christian and white?

    More seriously, look at Westminster Abbey and listen to the hymns. Very fashionable to criticize the how evil and rotten Western culture is. But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?

    Replies: @Clark Kent, @Barnard, @Polistra, @usNthem, @Carol, @SFG, @Janbar, @International Jew, @Thoughts, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Prester John

    First thing that came to mind!

  53. His follow-up tweet proves Perlstein’s Talmudry on this issue even more:

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Father Coughlin

    Perlstein seems to be a prototypical post 68 'new left' archetype. Unconcerned with social cohesion or class politics just a cluster B fuckup who aligned with the left but who is actually a parast upon it. With the fall of the Soviet Union, the parasitic took over and now all we have is a left which preaches social and economic individualism.

    This anecdote from his wikipedia shows him to be a tedious high arousal threshold sensation-seeking impulsive cluster B fuckup. They hate rules because they can't abide by them. They find them oppression.

    While at the University of Chicago – years Perlstein described as "delightfully noisy and dissident", and a stark contrast to the suburbia of his youth, which "felt like a jail" – he was able to engage with and catch neighborhood jam sessions.
     

    The arts are full of people like this and their control of peoples' perceptions and values through Hollywood is significant. Often you'll hear actors etc talking on talkshows about things 'everyone relates' to without irony. They spent their lives around people like themselves and have no idea normal people don't have their instincts or impulses.

    Perlstein's ethnocentrism might also have informed his hostility to the 'jail' of suburban Milwaukee in the 70s/80s (Which was by all accounts a pretty cool place to grow up in) and his lack of regard for rules of his 'host' society.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Father Coughlin

    And in 20 years, he's going to be arguing for more traffic enforcement in his neighborhood.

  54. Perlstein is a liberal for sure, and not to be trusted, but he’s at least the kind of liberal who finds other liberals dull. His books on Goldwater/Nixon/Reagan are readable.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Christopher Paul

    "His books on Goldwater/Nixon/Reagan are readable."

    Agreed. Perlstein's political histories of the 60s and 70s are literary panoramas, stuffed with well-documented info. His leftism, and I agree with some of it, does not overwhelm the page.

  55. @NJ Transit Commuter
    OT, but watching QE II’s funeral now.

    What’s the over / under for the first article criticizing it for being so overtly Christian and white?

    More seriously, look at Westminster Abbey and listen to the hymns. Very fashionable to criticize the how evil and rotten Western culture is. But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?

    Replies: @Clark Kent, @Barnard, @Polistra, @usNthem, @Carol, @SFG, @Janbar, @International Jew, @Thoughts, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Prester John

    It’s the beauty that’s the problem. People are jealous.

    After such beauty, what forgiveness?

    • Agree: Kylie
  56. @The Alarmist
    If you've been paying attention, you'll know that machines, particularly AI, but all machines are racist. Apparently Highways are racist too.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-admin-starts-fixing-racist-roads-grant-dismantle-highway

    Replies: @bomag, @Polistra, @International Jew, @BosTex, @AnotherDad, @Sparkling Wiggle

    I can live with antiracist highways but I draw the line at maintaining the US/UK left-right binary; I will not tolerate anyone on an American road identifying as British and driving on the left.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @International Jew


    I will not tolerate anyone on an American road identifying as British and driving on the left.
     
    A Irish wag once suggested a compromise for those nationalists wanting to switch: cars would use one system, buses and lorries the other.

    In the early days of driving, Canadians were most confused, with not only different traffic régimes in different provinces, but even between various cities within the same province. Insular Newfoundland was the last to go right, in 1947, just before joining the Confederation. Thus, the only place in either the US or Canada to drive on the left is the USVI.

    You can practice switching without leaving the hemisphere at the Brazil/Guyana and Suriname/French Guiana borders.


    https://transportationhistoryorg.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/takutu-bridge-air-guyana.jpg

    https://www.thetinytravelogue.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/P2054145-1920x1440.jpg

    Replies: @International Jew

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @International Jew

    Many drivers now identify as non-binary and just drift over the line.

    , @The Alarmist
    @International Jew

    I’d laugh, but splitting my time between the UK and the Continent and the USA, I sometimes need to remind myself on which side I should drive ... I don’t have diplomatic immunity, so I can’t just run over a local in any country and then run away with impunity like that Sacoolas lady.

  57. @NJ Transit Commuter
    OT, but watching QE II’s funeral now.

    What’s the over / under for the first article criticizing it for being so overtly Christian and white?

    More seriously, look at Westminster Abbey and listen to the hymns. Very fashionable to criticize the how evil and rotten Western culture is. But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?

    Replies: @Clark Kent, @Barnard, @Polistra, @usNthem, @Carol, @SFG, @Janbar, @International Jew, @Thoughts, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Prester John

    The crowds lining the streets look nothing like the tv adverts. Problematic for the directors so we have had significantly fewer shots of the sea of white faces.

  58. • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    The future is China.
     
    Correct.

    China is high IQ, but is indeed a "low trust" society. So more prone to stuff like corruption, corner cutting and associated debacles. Really only the one-people Western Christian nations and Japan (through some quite different route) are high-trust societies. (And the West is tossing that away.) But even with "high trust" Western nations have had--and still do--their share of screwups.

    My guess is that because of this lower trust, China will never quite be able to be as "nice" as its IQ would indicate. "Never" that is until the age of routine genetic selection and then we're off into some different world anyway.

    But China is still "the future", mainly because they are smart, have a huge population and are not suiciding themselves quite like the West.

    (And as a learned on the IQ-of-nations thread, that--seemingly easy to understand--reality drives a whole bunch of mouth breathing commenters batty.)

    Replies: @megabar, @nebulafox

  59. Differing rates of speeding by race were found in a large study in New Jersey, and said findings quickly swept under the rug by the US Department of Justice, way back in 2002:

    The study involved photographing tens of thousands of drivers on the turnpike last spring while clocking speed with a radar gun. It found that black drivers sped much more than other drivers, according to three people who have reviewed the unreleased report. The racial gap was far wider than officials had expected and, in the politically charged controversies over profiling, the data could be used by defenders of the state police to argue that one reason black drivers are stopped more often than whites is that they are more likely to speed.

    * * *
    Those results startled officials in the state attorney general’s office, who had assumed that the radar study would bolster their case that profiling was widespread. Instead, the study concluded that blacks make up 16 percent of the drivers on the turnpike and 25 percent of the speeders in the 65 m.p.h. zones, where complaints of profiling have been most common.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/21/nyregion/study-suggests-racial-gap-in-speeding-in-new-jersey.html

  60. @Pixo
    @Achmed E. Newman

    (1) this right doesn’t extend to infractions

    (2) the witness you confront is whoever authenticates the camera evidence, same thing if a security cam catches you shoplifting.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    (1) An “infraction” is a term for a criminal act.

    (2) This is about a witness in a court of law. If more people would take these camera-recorded “infractions” to court, we’d see how this turns out. The State and the Big Biz running the cameras and collecting the dough don’t expect this to happen, due to people’s concerns about their time and opportunity cost in court.

  61. @International Jew
    @The Alarmist

    I can live with antiracist highways but I draw the line at maintaining the US/UK left-right binary; I will not tolerate anyone on an American road identifying as British and driving on the left.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Alarmist

    I will not tolerate anyone on an American road identifying as British and driving on the left.

    A Irish wag once suggested a compromise for those nationalists wanting to switch: cars would use one system, buses and lorries the other.

    In the early days of driving, Canadians were most confused, with not only different traffic régimes in different provinces, but even between various cities within the same province. Insular Newfoundland was the last to go right, in 1947, just before joining the Confederation. Thus, the only place in either the US or Canada to drive on the left is the USVI.

    You can practice switching without leaving the hemisphere at the Brazil/Guyana and Suriname/French Guiana borders.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Reg Cæsar

    I'm sorry but neither of those borders are convenient for me. Do you have anything closer to northern California?

    Now here's puzzler for you, Rege (if I may address you by the vocative): if the US were to switch to driving on the left, would our existing highway interchanges still work?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad

  62. OT – Biden on 60 Minutes:

    60 Min: “What do you think of people who say you are unfit for the job of president?”

    Biden: “Watch me… The proof of the pudding is in the eating.”

    Biden then distractedly turned his head and wistfully added: “mmmmm…………………pudding.”

  63. @The Alarmist
    If you've been paying attention, you'll know that machines, particularly AI, but all machines are racist. Apparently Highways are racist too.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-admin-starts-fixing-racist-roads-grant-dismantle-highway

    Replies: @bomag, @Polistra, @International Jew, @BosTex, @AnotherDad, @Sparkling Wiggle

    The ZeroHedge linked article is hilarious. Basically:

    The original road is racist. However the non-racist version of the road will be racist since it will lead to gentrification and kick all the black folks out, as well.

    Let’s just blow the road up and leave us all in peace.

    Good lord. Thanks for sharing.

  64. @International Jew
    @The Alarmist

    I can live with antiracist highways but I draw the line at maintaining the US/UK left-right binary; I will not tolerate anyone on an American road identifying as British and driving on the left.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Alarmist

    Many drivers now identify as non-binary and just drift over the line.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  65. @International Jew
    @The Alarmist

    I can live with antiracist highways but I draw the line at maintaining the US/UK left-right binary; I will not tolerate anyone on an American road identifying as British and driving on the left.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Alarmist

    I’d laugh, but splitting my time between the UK and the Continent and the USA, I sometimes need to remind myself on which side I should drive … I don’t have diplomatic immunity, so I can’t just run over a local in any country and then run away with impunity like that Sacoolas lady.

  66. @Reg Cæsar
    @International Jew


    I will not tolerate anyone on an American road identifying as British and driving on the left.
     
    A Irish wag once suggested a compromise for those nationalists wanting to switch: cars would use one system, buses and lorries the other.

    In the early days of driving, Canadians were most confused, with not only different traffic régimes in different provinces, but even between various cities within the same province. Insular Newfoundland was the last to go right, in 1947, just before joining the Confederation. Thus, the only place in either the US or Canada to drive on the left is the USVI.

    You can practice switching without leaving the hemisphere at the Brazil/Guyana and Suriname/French Guiana borders.


    https://transportationhistoryorg.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/takutu-bridge-air-guyana.jpg

    https://www.thetinytravelogue.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/P2054145-1920x1440.jpg

    Replies: @International Jew

    I’m sorry but neither of those borders are convenient for me. Do you have anything closer to northern California?

    Now here’s puzzler for you, Rege (if I may address you by the vocative): if the US were to switch to driving on the left, would our existing highway interchanges still work?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @International Jew

    The cloverleafs would, but not the diamonds.

    For Reg or Rege, I understand the Guyana thing (formerly English) but why left in either the former Dutch and (still somewhat) French colonies?

    I drove on the left in Ireland recently. That alone was not so bad, but doing it in a crowded European city like Dublin was stressful. My wife had to do the nav with the GPS or I couldn't have handled it. The "roundabouts" were ... interesting... Next, time, it's the tour bus, haha!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @AnotherDad
    @International Jew


    Now here’s puzzler for you, Rege (if I may address you by the vocative): if the US were to switch to driving on the left, would our existing highway interchanges still work?
     
    Most everything "sorta" works, but it would still be hellish.

    The biggest thing issue is that we build up the "wait" side of intersections. For example, a typical urban throughfare might have left turn, through, through and right turn lanes for "waiters", while the "receiving" or "sucking" side has only two through lanes.

    Where the highway is undivided you can restring the lights and get out the paint sprayer and fix that up.

    But where a highway is divided you've got much more serious construction to do. Knocking down dividers and laying pavement--if there is even space for it. Think of a typical urban/suburban highway exit. It is usually two or three or even four lanes wide where it intersects the cross street, to handle the exiting traffic waiting to go left or right. In contrast the entrance ramp is often nicely widely curved to easily accept traffic either way but is basically one (broad) lane onto the highway.


    My understanding is the Brits looked into switching after the war, but decided it was too pricey even then. The Swedes converted in the early 60s (i think). Simple roads switch with little effort--sometimes nothing beyond moving signs. But the more big highways/throughfares/interchanges you build out the more prohibitively expensive it becomes.

    ~~~

    BTW, from the math perspective this looks like a symmetric "just pick one" issue. And that's how it evolved historically. People in different places had varying traditions.

    But I've read that LHT--driving on the left--is actually more natural for right handers, or maybe right handers who are right eye dominant (the majority). And results in a slightly lower accident rate as a result. Not sure.

    Replies: @International Jew

  67. @NJ Transit Commuter
    OT, but watching QE II’s funeral now.

    What’s the over / under for the first article criticizing it for being so overtly Christian and white?

    More seriously, look at Westminster Abbey and listen to the hymns. Very fashionable to criticize the how evil and rotten Western culture is. But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?

    Replies: @Clark Kent, @Barnard, @Polistra, @usNthem, @Carol, @SFG, @Janbar, @International Jew, @Thoughts, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Prester John

    Was, not is. It’s an elaborate theatre set now. Give it twenty more years and the Archbishop of Canterbury will be a Muslim.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @International Jew


    Give it twenty more years and the Archbishop of Canterbury will be a Muslim.
     
    To us of a Roman stripe, he essentially has been for 500+ years. Though we do honor his baptisms and (valid) marriages.

    It’s an elaborate theatre set now.
     
    James Patrick of St Thomas More U in Dallas said the British were the world's champions of gutting institutions while leaving their outer shells unchanged.

    Replies: @Chatsworth, @Pierre de Craon

  68. @International Jew
    @Reg Cæsar

    I'm sorry but neither of those borders are convenient for me. Do you have anything closer to northern California?

    Now here's puzzler for you, Rege (if I may address you by the vocative): if the US were to switch to driving on the left, would our existing highway interchanges still work?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad

    The cloverleafs would, but not the diamonds.

    For Reg or Rege, I understand the Guyana thing (formerly English) but why left in either the former Dutch and (still somewhat) French colonies?

    I drove on the left in Ireland recently. That alone was not so bad, but doing it in a crowded European city like Dublin was stressful. My wife had to do the nav with the GPS or I couldn’t have handled it. The “roundabouts” were … interesting… Next, time, it’s the tour bus, haha!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman


    For Reg or Rege, I understand the Guyana thing (formerly English) but why left in either the former Dutch and (still somewhat) French colonies?
     
    Do you know of any French colony that now drives on the left, or ever did? Perhaps St Pierre and Miquelon when nearby Newfoundland was still independent.

    There is pressure from the neighbors for one's traffic to conform to theirs. Hence Canada, Belize, and several former British colonies in West Africa all drive on the right, and several of Portugal's still drive on the left.

    Actually, it was Portugal which changed, in 1928. Mozambique, Macau, Goa, and Timor just stayed put. East Timor changed three times.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No, wait, the diamond interchanges ought to work too. Had a brain fart, because it's hard to think that way. Lots of Americans would do a nice job over in England - they like hogging the left lane on the highway.

  69. @International Jew
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Was, not is. It's an elaborate theatre set now. Give it twenty more years and the Archbishop of Canterbury will be a Muslim.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Give it twenty more years and the Archbishop of Canterbury will be a Muslim.

    To us of a Roman stripe, he essentially has been for 500+ years. Though we do honor his baptisms and (valid) marriages.

    It’s an elaborate theatre set now.

    James Patrick of St Thomas More U in Dallas said the British were the world’s champions of gutting institutions while leaving their outer shells unchanged.

    • Replies: @Chatsworth
    @Reg Cæsar

    The choir of St. George’s Chapel has been all male since it’s founding in the 14th century. This year it was announced that girls will be added.

    And so it begins.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Pierre de Craon
    @Reg Cæsar


    James Patrick of St Thomas More U in Dallas …
     
    Do you know James Patrick? Twenty years ago, I had the very good fortune to work with him for two years or so in the development of a Renaissance encyclopedia, on which he was credited as editor. He and I found each other thanks to gracious assistance from Thomas Fleming, then still the editor of Chronicles. For that and other reasons, my gratitude to Fleming will endure as long as I do.

    My understanding is that Thomas More had to close down because of the unyielding opposition of the bishop of Fort Worth to the doctrines and Traditional rites of the religion in whose liturgical structure he is nominally a prelate and a successor of the Apostles. Religious poseur and pseudo-Catholic Taylor Marshall assisted at the execution.

    Fleming and I are of an age, and my sense was that Patrick was, if anything, a bit older than we were. I'd be delighted to learn that he is still alive.

  70. @Achmed E. Newman
    @International Jew

    The cloverleafs would, but not the diamonds.

    For Reg or Rege, I understand the Guyana thing (formerly English) but why left in either the former Dutch and (still somewhat) French colonies?

    I drove on the left in Ireland recently. That alone was not so bad, but doing it in a crowded European city like Dublin was stressful. My wife had to do the nav with the GPS or I couldn't have handled it. The "roundabouts" were ... interesting... Next, time, it's the tour bus, haha!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Achmed E. Newman

    For Reg or Rege, I understand the Guyana thing (formerly English) but why left in either the former Dutch and (still somewhat) French colonies?

    Do you know of any French colony that now drives on the left, or ever did? Perhaps St Pierre and Miquelon when nearby Newfoundland was still independent.

    There is pressure from the neighbors for one’s traffic to conform to theirs. Hence Canada, Belize, and several former British colonies in West Africa all drive on the right, and several of Portugal’s still drive on the left.

    Actually, it was Portugal which changed, in 1928. Mozambique, Macau, Goa, and Timor just stayed put. East Timor changed three times.

  71. @NJ Transit Commuter
    OT, but watching QE II’s funeral now.

    What’s the over / under for the first article criticizing it for being so overtly Christian and white?

    More seriously, look at Westminster Abbey and listen to the hymns. Very fashionable to criticize the how evil and rotten Western culture is. But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?

    Replies: @Clark Kent, @Barnard, @Polistra, @usNthem, @Carol, @SFG, @Janbar, @International Jew, @Thoughts, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Prester John

    I began sobbing the moment the first bagpipe song rang out as the procession to Westminster began

    The last week of ceremonies make me proud to be English

    Today was heartbreaking and beautiful

    The Queen would be so proud

  72. “We’ll Meet Again” dedicated to QE2

  73. @NJ Transit Commuter
    OT, but watching QE II’s funeral now.

    What’s the over / under for the first article criticizing it for being so overtly Christian and white?

    More seriously, look at Westminster Abbey and listen to the hymns. Very fashionable to criticize the how evil and rotten Western culture is. But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?

    Replies: @Clark Kent, @Barnard, @Polistra, @usNthem, @Carol, @SFG, @Janbar, @International Jew, @Thoughts, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Prester John

    “But … can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as commonly claimed?”

    A question I ponder five or six times per month. I’m a cultural Anglophile — the work of English writers, musicians/composers, and filmmakers is a wellspring of inspiration. Whilst a big dopey kid I seemed to gravitate more towards English mythos than American. Still, I attempt to reconcile this attraction with the known knowns of British darkness. Yeah, colonial blah-blah-blah. I get it. But it is the bloodline institution, and the tributaries that branch off into a parasitic aristocracy, that reek of sulfur. It would be nice to turn back time and prevent the Venetian Babylonians from transferring their base of operations from the Netherlands to London. The Magi injected a spiritual decay that corrupts to this day. Part of that corruption involves wiping away Pictish, Celtic, Roman, Anglo-Saxon, Viking, Norman, DNA, to be replaced by the vibrant colours. It’s time for Arthur to cut short his Avalon sojourn.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Bravo.

    CS Lewis has a short beautiful book about the types of love; one of the simpler ones was the love of the land that saw a person born. Patriotism. That love can rightly be bestowed both on a land and on its culture: the people, the language, arts, idiosincrasias, rituals, esthetics. It’s normal to love the products of the high point of the Anglosphere.. and normal also to decry its pollution.

    Latin Americans call Spain the “Madre Patria”, or “Mother Homeland”.. a way of recognizing the bonds that tie these nations together, and that transcend any shenanigans by the elites. Way more poetic than the rather dry burocratese of “special relationship”.

  74. @Father Coughlin
    His follow-up tweet proves Perlstein's Talmudry on this issue even more:

    https://twitter.com/rickperlstein/status/1571524708901740545?s=20&t=1G0Ml3nKcAL3G-CClmpgyQ

    Replies: @Altai, @Redneck farmer

    Perlstein seems to be a prototypical post 68 ‘new left’ archetype. Unconcerned with social cohesion or class politics just a cluster B fuckup who aligned with the left but who is actually a parast upon it. With the fall of the Soviet Union, the parasitic took over and now all we have is a left which preaches social and economic individualism.

    This anecdote from his wikipedia shows him to be a tedious high arousal threshold sensation-seeking impulsive cluster B fuckup. They hate rules because they can’t abide by them. They find them oppression.

    While at the University of Chicago – years Perlstein described as “delightfully noisy and dissident”, and a stark contrast to the suburbia of his youth, which “felt like a jail” – he was able to engage with and catch neighborhood jam sessions.

    The arts are full of people like this and their control of peoples’ perceptions and values through Hollywood is significant. Often you’ll hear actors etc talking on talkshows about things ‘everyone relates’ to without irony. They spent their lives around people like themselves and have no idea normal people don’t have their instincts or impulses.

    Perlstein’s ethnocentrism might also have informed his hostility to the ‘jail’ of suburban Milwaukee in the 70s/80s (Which was by all accounts a pretty cool place to grow up in) and his lack of regard for rules of his ‘host’ society.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Altai

    Located in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the country, UofChicago and the immediate neighborhood are basically fortresses against the surrounding hordes.

    So the university was more prison like than Milwaukee where he could ride his bike walk to school, playgrounds, to hang out with friends and even take public transit without being killed.

    Largest police force in the state of Illinois and UofChicago students and staff are still victimized

  75. Steve,

    Chicago has bigger issues than speed cameras 📸. The ¡Vibrant! Population of the city took a page from the Diverse population of the city and did a good old fashioned Street Takeover for Mexican Independence Day this past weekend:

    https://cwbchicago.com/2022/09/2-shot-as-mexican-independence-day-revelers-overwhelm-chicago-cops-in-the-loop.html

    I do so hope the good people of Chicago were culturally enriched by the fireworks, loud music, and street racing.

    • Replies: @puttheforkdown
    @mmack

    Aren’t brownsters great? I know Ron Unz must be thrilled, what with his “muh Hispanics can assimilate!”

  76. @ForeverCARealist
    @Arclight

    Speed cameras will work, but the fines need to be lower, and there needs to be plenty of warnings showing up in the mail... maybe on your phone?...

    Newer cars already have the speed limit showing up on the dashboard telling you whether you're over the limit or not. The computers everywhere could tabulate who drives safely and who doesn't.

    My son got a good driver discount by putting an app on his phone that relayed all his driving to the insurance company. For 3 months they tracked him to tell if he was peeling out or slamming on the breaks a lot. After that trial he deleted the app.

    I could see the insurance companies rating people not on their demographic or locale, but directly on their driving. "Hey, you drive like you're drag racing all the time. Are you? Your insurance will cost $1000/month."

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Arclight

    Speed cameras will work, but the fines need to be lower, and there needs to be plenty of warnings showing up in the mail… maybe on your phone?…

    Sounds like a good idea. For example if you are over the limit three times within a week, then you get a fine, and the fines are progressive if you continue to offend. If you are a frequent offender, then you can link a debit card or credit card to your speeding account, so it would work a bit like the tolls in Florida.

    I am sure the technology is there because even here in Ecuador, every time I use my ATM card to buy groceries or withdraw cash, I immediately get a text message summarizing the transaction, and asking me to report it to if it is fake.

    There’s something not quite right about using speeding fines to boost city and state revenues. The purpose of speeding laws should be to reduce speeding and improve road safety, and they should be reviewed every so often to see if they are achieving that end. Otherwise states and cities may actually encourage speeding to increase revenue.

    In cities with congested traffic, that should also be evaluations of improvements to roads to determine whether the commute times are on average improving or getting worse. One would need to identify the circumstances that cause delays, for example bad weather, or accidents, and work on things like getting accidents cleared away quickly.

    A few years ago, north of Jacksonville in Florida, there was a very unfortunate incident when an illegal immigrant was apprehended at a gas station by border control and cops, at about 6:30 in the morning and run away across the road.

    A cop ran after him and was hit by a passing car and killed. 5 hours later the whole 4-lane highway was still virtually closed with detours round the stores, and traffic backed up for miles with people getting very impatient. I was one of them.e

    If circumstances that make people get impatient or make them late for work could be reduced, you might get a reduction in overall statistics for speeding.

    Insurance discounts for not speeding, as demonstrated by an app on a phone could also discourage speeding, especially if surcharges were imposed when speeding was identified. This would have the effect of discouraging speeding without bringing law enforcement into the equation.

    Another intervention might be for cops to drag speeding motorists out of their vehicles and beat them to death. Pour encourager les autres.

    Whichever way, there ought to be a lot more research into ways of reducing speeding. The current laws seem to go back to the era of horse drawn vehicles.

  77. @Christopher Paul
    Perlstein is a liberal for sure, and not to be trusted, but he's at least the kind of liberal who finds other liberals dull. His books on Goldwater/Nixon/Reagan are readable.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “His books on Goldwater/Nixon/Reagan are readable.”

    Agreed. Perlstein’s political histories of the 60s and 70s are literary panoramas, stuffed with well-documented info. His leftism, and I agree with some of it, does not overwhelm the page.

  78. @countenance
    Geofencing.

    10-20 years from now.

    Mark me.

    Replies: @mike99588

    here now
    10 years hence ubiquitous

    • Replies: @countenance
    @mike99588

    I mean it in the sense of limiting the speed of automobiles within a genofence.

  79. @Father Coughlin
    His follow-up tweet proves Perlstein's Talmudry on this issue even more:

    https://twitter.com/rickperlstein/status/1571524708901740545?s=20&t=1G0Ml3nKcAL3G-CClmpgyQ

    Replies: @Altai, @Redneck farmer

    And in 20 years, he’s going to be arguing for more traffic enforcement in his neighborhood.

  80. @ANJ
    This experiment already ran in Rochester, NY

    https://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/rochester/lovely-warrens-right-about-red-light-cameras/Content?oid=2935008&media=AMP+HTML

    Red light camera were removed by order of the black woman mayor (since removed for her own scandals) because they disproportionately affected “poor people”.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Red light camera were removed by order of the black woman mayor (since removed for her own scandals) because they disproportionately affected “poor people”.

    They had these posted in the nicer parts of Rochester I frequented, so I’m fine with this.

  81. @Achmed E. Newman
    @International Jew

    The cloverleafs would, but not the diamonds.

    For Reg or Rege, I understand the Guyana thing (formerly English) but why left in either the former Dutch and (still somewhat) French colonies?

    I drove on the left in Ireland recently. That alone was not so bad, but doing it in a crowded European city like Dublin was stressful. My wife had to do the nav with the GPS or I couldn't have handled it. The "roundabouts" were ... interesting... Next, time, it's the tour bus, haha!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Achmed E. Newman

    No, wait, the diamond interchanges ought to work too. Had a brain fart, because it’s hard to think that way. Lots of Americans would do a nice job over in England – they like hogging the left lane on the highway.

  82. The more you know!

    “The policemen on duty also have instantaneous kodaks mounted on tripods, which show the position of any carriage at half-and quarter-second intervals, by which it is easy to ascertain the exact speed, should the officers be unable to judge it by the eye; so there is no danger of a vehicle’s speed exceeding that allowed in the section in which it happens to be; neither can a slow one remain on the fast lines.

    From A Journey In Other Worlds, by John Jacob Astor IV.
    Published by D. Appleton and Co. in 1894

  83. @Reg Cæsar
    @International Jew


    Give it twenty more years and the Archbishop of Canterbury will be a Muslim.
     
    To us of a Roman stripe, he essentially has been for 500+ years. Though we do honor his baptisms and (valid) marriages.

    It’s an elaborate theatre set now.
     
    James Patrick of St Thomas More U in Dallas said the British were the world's champions of gutting institutions while leaving their outer shells unchanged.

    Replies: @Chatsworth, @Pierre de Craon

    The choir of St. George’s Chapel has been all male since it’s founding in the 14th century. This year it was announced that girls will be added.

    And so it begins.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Chatsworth

    "The choir of St. George’s Chapel has been all male since it’s founding in the 14th century. This year it was announced that girls will be added.

    And so it begins."

    Yes, the UK is much farther gone than the US. It's horrible.

    Meanwhile there's this choir, founded in 1996.
    The comments are worth reading, especially the one by Oksana Oksana.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcDihq0aXF4&feature=share&si=ELPmzJkDCLju2KnD5oyZMQ

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Chatsworth

    Is that you, Chatsworth?


    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qKRLJ9DlHNQ/UdYwJrEN27I/AAAAAAAAAxk/uDglgHU4wSA/s281/Chatsworth+Osborne+Jr.jpg

  84. @GeraldB
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It's a speeding ticket, not a criminal prosecution.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    You’ve got every right to a jury trial.

    • Replies: @Ben Kurtz
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No, you don't.

    Here's a street-savvy New York lawyer explaining why:

    https://www.villanuevalaw.com/a-new-yorker-s-survival-guide-to-fighting-a-speeding-ticket.html#:~:text=New%20York%20traffic%20tickets%20%28non-misdemeanors%29%20are%20not%20entitled,punishable%20with%20more%20than%20one%20year%20in%20jail.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  85. @guest007
    @Achmed E. Newman

    This would be an argument against all video evidence since there is no witness but then again, all the state needs to do is have someone testify how the video was taken and to attest to the date and accuracy of the speed camera. The idea that the courts cannot evolve past what was done in 1790 is laughable.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Right, get someone to come testify, and we’ll go over the calibration, the conditions, and so on.

    It’s not 1984 either yet, buddy. How do you feel about your prosecution and conviction being completely automated, with not a human involved? Fuck that.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A speeding ticket is not a conviction but a citation almost everywhere. In addition, most states do not add points to one's driving record based upon speed camera or red light camera since the state did not prove who was driving. Look it up.

  86. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:

    Do the defense contractors making the red light cameras and license plate readers still get a sizable cut of each ticket? I know this was the case in the D.C. area for a long time. I was just researching this and found other instances of jurisdictions having or having had this arrangement.

    The installer of the cameras, Lockheed Martin, then got into the act. The contract the city of Mesa had signed with Lockheed Martin, which gave the contractor $48 for every red-light ticket issued, contained a clause prohibiting the city from altering the duration of yellow-light times after the cameras were installed.

    With the Arizona Tribune shining the spotlight on Lockheed Martin, the company chose not to enforce this clause. But the company did negotiate a new contract increasing Lockheed Martin’s cut from the camera citations from $48 to $75 if a certain quota of tickets was not reached.

  87. @Reg Cæsar
    @Altai


    Drivers would pay $1 less in fees to replace or exchange license plates.
     
    Since the front plates are useful to highway authorities, shouldn't the vehicle owner pay more for the privilege of going without? Same with cycle helmets. I've never understood the "libertarian" argument against such things, as the deeper argument is that the owner of the property has the right to make up any rules he wishes for others crossing his land. So suck it up.

    Build your own highway.

    Replies: @Adam Smith

    The “state” does not own the highways, it holds them in trust for the people.

    The state may own the fee, or it may own only an easement, but the result is the same; the highways are held by the state for use as public thoroughfares. “The streets belong to the public, and are primarily for the use of the public in the ordinary way.”

    Or, well, that used to be the case before the criminals masquerading as “government” went bankrupt and pledged us all as collateral for their war debt (while few good thinking people even noticed much less objected).

    So pay your victory tax! All your commerce are belong to us, partner.

  88. @The Alarmist
    If you've been paying attention, you'll know that machines, particularly AI, but all machines are racist. Apparently Highways are racist too.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-admin-starts-fixing-racist-roads-grant-dismantle-highway

    Replies: @bomag, @Polistra, @International Jew, @BosTex, @AnotherDad, @Sparkling Wiggle

    If you’ve been paying attention, you’ll know that machines, particularly AI, but all machines are racist. Apparently Highways are racist too.

    This is the gist of it. Steve can–and will! much to our delight–roll out a 1000 posts, across every human domain–tests scores, school discipline, policing, marriage, illegitimacy, credit scores, home ownership, AI, speed cameras …. –that amount to the same thing:

    “Objective standards … blacks hit hardest”. I.e. objective standards are racist.

    Well, the truth is … standards are “racist”. Reality is “racist”.

    The most important sociological and political truth is the one hammered at–yet again–a few posts back on IQ and economic growth: Different groups of humans are different.

    More wordily:

    Since modern humans emerged from Africa 100-50 thousand years ago and especially since the neolithic revolution of agriculture 10,000 years ago, evolution–call it a process of gene-culture co-evolution–has shaped different peoples in different areas with different resources, agriculture and cultures … differently. And those differences cause different peoples to have widely varying behavior–economic and sociological success and “fit”–in modern technological societies.

    Diversity means … differences.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @AnotherDad


    Since modern humans emerged from Africa 100-50 thousand years ago....
     
    Yeah ... about that....

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/teeth-fossil-human-history-evolution-development-germany-rhine-mainz-archaeology-a8010506.html

    As this confounds the “Out of Africa” hypothesis, The Science™️ have twisted themselves into tortured prezels to claim that the “Out of Africa” hypothesis is indeed the truth.

    In further news, The Science™️ reminds you that COVID vaxxes don’t stop you from catching the syndrome, but are nevertheless effective, and in any case are as safe as they are effective.
    , @Alden
    @AnotherDad

    Modern humans didn’t emerge from Africa 100-50 thousand years ago. The skeleton of a fully modern human 750,000 years old was found in Indonesia the island of Java.

    How can a Person of UNZ believe liberal racist lies?

  89. @Achmed E. Newman
    @guest007

    Right, get someone to come testify, and we'll go over the calibration, the conditions, and so on.

    It's not 1984 either yet, buddy. How do you feel about your prosecution and conviction being completely automated, with not a human involved? Fuck that.

    Replies: @guest007

    A speeding ticket is not a conviction but a citation almost everywhere. In addition, most states do not add points to one’s driving record based upon speed camera or red light camera since the state did not prove who was driving. Look it up.

  90. @Anon
    Let me get this straight: you can shoplift up to $950 with no consequences, but 6 mph over the limit and a warrant is issued?

    Replies: @Anon, @Alden

    Shoplift to pay the ticket, I guess.

  91. For those localities with mayors and minions not chauffeured about, a perusal of their parking spots should yield all the data necessary to dupe up facsimiles with which to cause an avalanche of tickets to arrive irregularly in the mailboxes of the nomenklatura.

  92. @JohnnyWalker123
    Are you guys watching the Queen's funeral?

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1571831040267911173

    Very well done, if you ask me.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Are you guys watching the Queen’s funeral?

    Very well done, if you ask me.

    Geez what is it with a bunch of you guys. Supposed “Americans”.

    She was some old lady–not your momma–in a foreign country. Who, btw, was a crappy queen. “Reigned” over the worse 70 years of British history–bar none. While not directly responsible, did absolutely nothing with the political and persuasive powers she had to halt her nation’s slide into the abyss. And if a modern monarch has any purpose beyond “looter” and “tourist attraction” it’s that.

    Seriously some pomp with dudes dressed up like they’re from the 16th century and you get all excited. What are you all homosexual royalists?

    • Agree: Pixo
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnotherDad

    AGREE and LOL.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad

    Kingdoms are a relic of homogeneous populations. We threw one off because we were already too diverse 250 years ago. That should have been a warning right there.

    Hahs Hermann Hoppe makes the case that monarchies are more stable than democracies-- yes, that's a mighty low standard, and "constitutional" monarchies fit more into the latter category-- because it is in the long-term interest of the king and his progeny to keep them so. Long-term interest is alien to democracies.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @AnotherDad


    Seriously some pomp with dudes dressed up like they’re from the 16th century and you get all excited.
     
    The daddy doth protest too much, methinks.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCeSZX1X0A0PRie.jpg
  93. Speed traps have been around forever.

    Long before speed cameras existed, little towns along highways would post ridiculously low speed limits. Travelers would suddenly see Barney Fife behind them in his cop car with the lights flashing, the speed limit having just dropped immediately down from, say, 55 mph to 20 mph before they even realized it.

    It was all for revenue, and it was part of the culture in certain places. Passers-through would pay the fines instead of staying in town to enjoy whatever the local procedure was for those who wanted to contest it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk

    How Alabama’s most notorious speed trap town was shut down

    FFJC Op-Ed in CNN: Alabama scandal shines national spotlight on taxation-by-citation


    Police in this tiny Alabama town suck drivers into legal ‘black hole’


    https://www.al.com/resizer/Uypf2xuuPqT0Y0_eDvwMdh57X54=/1280x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/IQCPYP77KNDUXHEEQFX77FVM2A.jpg


    The dog's name says it all.


    https://www.al.com/resizer/HtwKydt6B1VaGWAgD6mPSTTVdgs=/1280x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/HZA7PKP445EYRLNM6H5MVJBECI.png

    , @Pixo
    @Buzz Mohawk

    California doesn’t allow this. There’s an anti-speed-trap law, and there’s also not a lot of random tiny towns on 55mph country roads that are ideal for speed traps.

    I generally drive 85 to 89 in California 65 zones when traffic is light and do not get speeding tickets.

    Going 90-100 is risky, and my only ticket was going about 95, but kindly marked down as 90. Hitting 100 however you face a $2000 fine and your insurance will go up by $2500 over two years, so don’t go nuts here. When I was young and dumb however I’d go 115 for long stretches on the 10 in the desert east of LA, hitting 135 for short stretches, and used a radar detector. While I don’t advise you to do the same, it was really fun.

  94. @AnotherDad
    @The Alarmist


    If you’ve been paying attention, you’ll know that machines, particularly AI, but all machines are racist. Apparently Highways are racist too.
     
    This is the gist of it. Steve can--and will! much to our delight--roll out a 1000 posts, across every human domain--tests scores, school discipline, policing, marriage, illegitimacy, credit scores, home ownership, AI, speed cameras .... --that amount to the same thing:

    "Objective standards ... blacks hit hardest". I.e. objective standards are racist.

    Well, the truth is ... standards are "racist". Reality is "racist".

    The most important sociological and political truth is the one hammered at--yet again--a few posts back on IQ and economic growth: Different groups of humans are different.

    More wordily:

    Since modern humans emerged from Africa 100-50 thousand years ago and especially since the neolithic revolution of agriculture 10,000 years ago, evolution--call it a process of gene-culture co-evolution--has shaped different peoples in different areas with different resources, agriculture and cultures ... differently. And those differences cause different peoples to have widely varying behavior--economic and sociological success and "fit"--in modern technological societies.

    Diversity means ... differences.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Alden

    Since modern humans emerged from Africa 100-50 thousand years ago….

    Yeah … about that….

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/teeth-fossil-human-history-evolution-development-germany-rhine-mainz-archaeology-a8010506.html

    As this confounds the “Out of Africa” hypothesis, The Science™️ have twisted themselves into tortured prezels to claim that the “Out of Africa” hypothesis is indeed the truth.

    In further news, The Science™️ reminds you that COVID vaxxes don’t stop you from catching the syndrome, but are nevertheless effective, and in any case are as safe as they are effective.

  95. @Anon
    Let me get this straight: you can shoplift up to $950 with no consequences, but 6 mph over the limit and a warrant is issued?

    Replies: @Anon, @Alden

    You can also steal $949.00 or something worth $949.00 and not get charged. Shoplifting robbery its all theft.

  96. @AnotherDad
    @The Alarmist


    If you’ve been paying attention, you’ll know that machines, particularly AI, but all machines are racist. Apparently Highways are racist too.
     
    This is the gist of it. Steve can--and will! much to our delight--roll out a 1000 posts, across every human domain--tests scores, school discipline, policing, marriage, illegitimacy, credit scores, home ownership, AI, speed cameras .... --that amount to the same thing:

    "Objective standards ... blacks hit hardest". I.e. objective standards are racist.

    Well, the truth is ... standards are "racist". Reality is "racist".

    The most important sociological and political truth is the one hammered at--yet again--a few posts back on IQ and economic growth: Different groups of humans are different.

    More wordily:

    Since modern humans emerged from Africa 100-50 thousand years ago and especially since the neolithic revolution of agriculture 10,000 years ago, evolution--call it a process of gene-culture co-evolution--has shaped different peoples in different areas with different resources, agriculture and cultures ... differently. And those differences cause different peoples to have widely varying behavior--economic and sociological success and "fit"--in modern technological societies.

    Diversity means ... differences.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Alden

    Modern humans didn’t emerge from Africa 100-50 thousand years ago. The skeleton of a fully modern human 750,000 years old was found in Indonesia the island of Java.

    How can a Person of UNZ believe liberal racist lies?

  97. @Altai
    @Father Coughlin

    Perlstein seems to be a prototypical post 68 'new left' archetype. Unconcerned with social cohesion or class politics just a cluster B fuckup who aligned with the left but who is actually a parast upon it. With the fall of the Soviet Union, the parasitic took over and now all we have is a left which preaches social and economic individualism.

    This anecdote from his wikipedia shows him to be a tedious high arousal threshold sensation-seeking impulsive cluster B fuckup. They hate rules because they can't abide by them. They find them oppression.

    While at the University of Chicago – years Perlstein described as "delightfully noisy and dissident", and a stark contrast to the suburbia of his youth, which "felt like a jail" – he was able to engage with and catch neighborhood jam sessions.
     

    The arts are full of people like this and their control of peoples' perceptions and values through Hollywood is significant. Often you'll hear actors etc talking on talkshows about things 'everyone relates' to without irony. They spent their lives around people like themselves and have no idea normal people don't have their instincts or impulses.

    Perlstein's ethnocentrism might also have informed his hostility to the 'jail' of suburban Milwaukee in the 70s/80s (Which was by all accounts a pretty cool place to grow up in) and his lack of regard for rules of his 'host' society.

    Replies: @Alden

    Located in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the country, UofChicago and the immediate neighborhood are basically fortresses against the surrounding hordes.

    So the university was more prison like than Milwaukee where he could ride his bike walk to school, playgrounds, to hang out with friends and even take public transit without being killed.

    Largest police force in the state of Illinois and UofChicago students and staff are still victimized

  98. @International Jew
    @Reg Cæsar

    I'm sorry but neither of those borders are convenient for me. Do you have anything closer to northern California?

    Now here's puzzler for you, Rege (if I may address you by the vocative): if the US were to switch to driving on the left, would our existing highway interchanges still work?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad

    Now here’s puzzler for you, Rege (if I may address you by the vocative): if the US were to switch to driving on the left, would our existing highway interchanges still work?

    Most everything “sorta” works, but it would still be hellish.

    The biggest thing issue is that we build up the “wait” side of intersections. For example, a typical urban throughfare might have left turn, through, through and right turn lanes for “waiters”, while the “receiving” or “sucking” side has only two through lanes.

    Where the highway is undivided you can restring the lights and get out the paint sprayer and fix that up.

    But where a highway is divided you’ve got much more serious construction to do. Knocking down dividers and laying pavement–if there is even space for it. Think of a typical urban/suburban highway exit. It is usually two or three or even four lanes wide where it intersects the cross street, to handle the exiting traffic waiting to go left or right. In contrast the entrance ramp is often nicely widely curved to easily accept traffic either way but is basically one (broad) lane onto the highway.

    My understanding is the Brits looked into switching after the war, but decided it was too pricey even then. The Swedes converted in the early 60s (i think). Simple roads switch with little effort–sometimes nothing beyond moving signs. But the more big highways/throughfares/interchanges you build out the more prohibitively expensive it becomes.

    ~~~

    BTW, from the math perspective this looks like a symmetric “just pick one” issue. And that’s how it evolved historically. People in different places had varying traditions.

    But I’ve read that LHT–driving on the left–is actually more natural for right handers, or maybe right handers who are right eye dominant (the majority). And results in a slightly lower accident rate as a result. Not sure.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @AnotherDad

    Thanks, you've raised a host of interesting issues I didn't think of (and I have thought about it; we batted this around the lunch table at work awhile back).

    The most insightful comment from my colleagues was: imagine filming traffic from a helicopter. If you then replayed the footage backwards, would anything look off?

  99. Ideal solution, Mr. Sailer, especially in suburban neighborhoods where Ford 150 and Ram truck drivers routinely speed without fear of consequence.

  100. @Reg Cæsar
    @International Jew


    Give it twenty more years and the Archbishop of Canterbury will be a Muslim.
     
    To us of a Roman stripe, he essentially has been for 500+ years. Though we do honor his baptisms and (valid) marriages.

    It’s an elaborate theatre set now.
     
    James Patrick of St Thomas More U in Dallas said the British were the world's champions of gutting institutions while leaving their outer shells unchanged.

    Replies: @Chatsworth, @Pierre de Craon

    James Patrick of St Thomas More U in Dallas …

    Do you know James Patrick? Twenty years ago, I had the very good fortune to work with him for two years or so in the development of a Renaissance encyclopedia, on which he was credited as editor. He and I found each other thanks to gracious assistance from Thomas Fleming, then still the editor of Chronicles. For that and other reasons, my gratitude to Fleming will endure as long as I do.

    My understanding is that Thomas More had to close down because of the unyielding opposition of the bishop of Fort Worth to the doctrines and Traditional rites of the religion in whose liturgical structure he is nominally a prelate and a successor of the Apostles. Religious poseur and pseudo-Catholic Taylor Marshall assisted at the execution.

    Fleming and I are of an age, and my sense was that Patrick was, if anything, a bit older than we were. I’d be delighted to learn that he is still alive.

  101. Well, more seriously…

    Tickets are for breaking the law and not carefully watching for cops.

    You can drive at 80 mph quite safely — if you are watching the road. If you are watching the road, you will notice everyone else slowing down, what could be a cop up ahead or a cop moving up behind you — and you’ll slow down, and you’re less likely to get a ticket.

    The cops give tickets mainly to people who are driving fast or dangerously — and at the same time are so oblivious of their surroundings that they don’t notice the cop.

    And isn’t that how it should be?

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Colin Wright

    That system breaks down when the cops give up on pulling people over altogether, as has been the case in many municipalities post-Floyd.

  102. @I, Libertine
    @Arclight

    Yes. Red light camera tickets at intersections are particularly dangerous. They are known safety hazards, but, hey, they make big bucks! And politicians can boast at election time that they didn't raise your taxes.

    Just to make sure they earn a handsome profit, the municipality (through its contractor, who shares in the ill-gotten gains) usually shortens the duration of the yellow light, to catch more of its citizenry, People who know it's a red light intersection panic stop at yellow lights, only to be rear-ended by those who don't.

    I wish the commenter who argues that traffic cameras are unconstitutional had a case. But the payments we're forced to make are not criminal sanctions. They are civil fines. As long as you pay up, the politicians don't care if you're a dangerous driver. That's not the point.

    Replies: @anon

    It’s Big Brother.

    You can’t even drive around on an empty road that you have all to yourself without feeling the sword of Damocles hanging over your head.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @anon

    '...You can’t even drive around on an empty road that you have all to yourself without feeling the sword of Damocles hanging over your head.'

    Yeah -- but face facts. That Sword of Damocles does make you a safer driver.

    I have driven long distances innumerable times whilst thoroughly plowed. Fact of the matter is, my intense aversion to a DUI ticket did make me drive extra- super-duper carefully.

    ...and that would seem to have been for the best. At any rate, I never ran off the road or went head-on into a minivan carrying a family of six.

    Replies: @anon

  103. @Chatsworth
    @Reg Cæsar

    The choir of St. George’s Chapel has been all male since it’s founding in the 14th century. This year it was announced that girls will be added.

    And so it begins.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Reg Cæsar

    “The choir of St. George’s Chapel has been all male since it’s founding in the 14th century. This year it was announced that girls will be added.

    And so it begins.”

    Yes, the UK is much farther gone than the US. It’s horrible.

    Meanwhile there’s this choir, founded in 1996.
    The comments are worth reading, especially the one by Oksana Oksana.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Kylie

    Male voice choirs are fantastic, although this has a slight if unintended Python feel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FFaxOv3nnU


    So are female ones.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE02T8rB0wU

    I'm not sure mixing them doesn't lose something.

  104. @Reg Cæsar
    The future is China.

    https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2022/09/china-fire-scaled.jpg

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    The future is China.

    Correct.

    China is high IQ, but is indeed a “low trust” society. So more prone to stuff like corruption, corner cutting and associated debacles. Really only the one-people Western Christian nations and Japan (through some quite different route) are high-trust societies. (And the West is tossing that away.) But even with “high trust” Western nations have had–and still do–their share of screwups.

    My guess is that because of this lower trust, China will never quite be able to be as “nice” as its IQ would indicate. “Never” that is until the age of routine genetic selection and then we’re off into some different world anyway.

    But China is still “the future”, mainly because they are smart, have a huge population and are not suiciding themselves quite like the West.

    (And as a learned on the IQ-of-nations thread, that–seemingly easy to understand–reality drives a whole bunch of mouth breathing commenters batty.)

    • Replies: @megabar
    @AnotherDad

    > because of this lower trust, China will never quite be able to be as “nice” as its IQ would indicate.

    > [China is] not suiciding themselves quite like the West.

    Possibly, these two are related.

    , @nebulafox
    @AnotherDad

    Other developed East Asian societies-Taiwan, ROK, Singapore-have trust levels high enough that you can leave valuables in cafes safe in the knowledge they won't be stolen, just like Japan.

    Mainland China isn't a high trust society, to put it mildly, but a lot of that is due to more modern history and the PRC-specific cultural traits that resulted. It's only been recently that not being poor anymore has become insufficient to fill the spiritual void in many people's lives. It remains to be seen how things continue from here. As long as the CCP rules, my guess is that China will become high trust when it comes to things like petty crime and low trust when it comes to higher level, white collar or corporate interaction.

    If there's one fundamental psychological gap between older and younger Americans, IMO, it's the difference between growing up in a high trust society where people interacted freely with each other from childhood onward, and a low trust one where you were hyper managed if affluent and left completely adrift if you weren't. Growing up in a place where you could trust other individuals or institutions to not arbitrarily harm you just gives you a different psychological makeup.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  105. @mmack
    Steve,

    Chicago has bigger issues than speed cameras 📸. The ¡Vibrant! Population of the city took a page from the Diverse population of the city and did a good old fashioned Street Takeover for Mexican Independence Day this past weekend:

    https://cwbchicago.com/2022/09/2-shot-as-mexican-independence-day-revelers-overwhelm-chicago-cops-in-the-loop.html

    https://twitter.com/TaqiSalaam/status/1571017304762351617?s=20&t=C4wO51CV3JMtHdsv8qQGnQ

    https://twitter.com/YetAnotherJoe/status/1570964911743995907?s=20&t=wOIxvozt2hn8c43ybec41Q

    I do so hope the good people of Chicago were culturally enriched by the fireworks, loud music, and street racing.

    https://twitter.com/gingermaddoxtv/status/1570958324337889281?s=20&t=Rdq6digYTwp99WnWkk5DXw

    Replies: @puttheforkdown

    Aren’t brownsters great? I know Ron Unz must be thrilled, what with his “muh Hispanics can assimilate!”

  106. @Achmed E. Newman
    @GeraldB

    You've got every right to a jury trial.

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Ben Kurtz

    That site's about NY, and I'm not even sure I believe the lawyer. I don't live in New York. A friend of mine will request a jury trial for a ticket for beeping his horn in a gas station parking lot... I know ... it was a purely racial thing on the part of one of the cops.

    When you do this, it becomes a game of who can waste more of the other's time. You request a jury trial, they call you in for roll call (i.e., they do some yakking, don't settle it, and you have to be there), they you make motions for this or that. I personally don't have the patience for that - maybe when I'm retired it'll give me something to do - if they let me comment here from the audience... sometimes they are touch about that ...

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @bomag

  107. @NJ Transit Commuter
    OT, but watching QE II’s funeral now.

    What’s the over / under for the first article criticizing it for being so overtly Christian and white?

    More seriously, look at Westminster Abbey and listen to the hymns. Very fashionable to criticize the how evil and rotten Western culture is. But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?

    Replies: @Clark Kent, @Barnard, @Polistra, @usNthem, @Carol, @SFG, @Janbar, @International Jew, @Thoughts, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Prester John

    If you thought the Queen’s funeral looked nice, you should’ve seen George Floyd’s. Floyd got a golden casket, unlike the Queen:

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Anon

    https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/30653e2fa811047d4c560d2383991fd8


    Greg Abbott, the state’s Republican governor, was among the first to view the casket. He wore a striped gold and crimson tie, the colours of Mr Floyd’s Houston high school, where he was a standout football player.

    “George Floyd is going to change the arc of the future of the United States.

    “George Floyd has not died in vain. His life will be a living legacy about the way that America and Texas respond to this tragedy,” Mr Abbott said.
     
    https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/george-floyd-funeral-thousands-queue-to-see-golden-casket-to-pay-respects/news-story/05423091452b0433a8327038ef05cd10
  108. Speed cameras are essentially a tax on stupid and impulsive people.

    And in totally unrelated news, they are inherently Structurally Racist.

    Sometimes I fear that reality has a Structurally Racist bent.

    • Replies: @ForeverCARealist
    @Ben Kurtz

    Hey, you know, we used to say that the lottery is a tax on stupidity.

    Hmm... wondering. Who buys the lottery tickets, anyway? I wonder if it's the same people that run red lights and drive too fast.

  109. @AnotherDad
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Are you guys watching the Queen’s funeral?
    ...
    Very well done, if you ask me.

     

    Geez what is it with a bunch of you guys. Supposed "Americans".

    She was some old lady--not your momma--in a foreign country. Who, btw, was a crappy queen. "Reigned" over the worse 70 years of British history--bar none. While not directly responsible, did absolutely nothing with the political and persuasive powers she had to halt her nation's slide into the abyss. And if a modern monarch has any purpose beyond "looter" and "tourist attraction" it's that.

    Seriously some pomp with dudes dressed up like they're from the 16th century and you get all excited. What are you all homosexual royalists?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    AGREE and LOL.

  110. @Ben Kurtz
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No, you don't.

    Here's a street-savvy New York lawyer explaining why:

    https://www.villanuevalaw.com/a-new-yorker-s-survival-guide-to-fighting-a-speeding-ticket.html#:~:text=New%20York%20traffic%20tickets%20%28non-misdemeanors%29%20are%20not%20entitled,punishable%20with%20more%20than%20one%20year%20in%20jail.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    That site’s about NY, and I’m not even sure I believe the lawyer. I don’t live in New York. A friend of mine will request a jury trial for a ticket for beeping his horn in a gas station parking lot… I know … it was a purely racial thing on the part of one of the cops.

    When you do this, it becomes a game of who can waste more of the other’s time. You request a jury trial, they call you in for roll call (i.e., they do some yakking, don’t settle it, and you have to be there), they you make motions for this or that. I personally don’t have the patience for that – maybe when I’m retired it’ll give me something to do – if they let me comment here from the audience… sometimes they are touch about that …

    • Replies: @Ben Kurtz
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Some states might give you that right, but it's not guaranteed by the Constitution so it's not universal across America. In the states I am familiar with it is generally unheard of. But I'll concede that there may be some states where you can do that.

    More broadly - yes, you can insist on every procedural safeguard that exists in your state (Confrontation Clause and Due Process means there will be a fair few, even if not a jury) in order to drive up costs for the other side a force the prosecution to retreat somewhat. And you can wait until retirement until that's feasible time-wise.

    Or you can hire a traffic ticket lawyer to do all that for you at a very reasonable rate. He spends all day in the traffic ticket courthouse and does tickets in bulk, so he's always around to attend whatever hearing is calendared.

    A good traffic ticket lawyer is a useful name in your Rolodex.

    , @bomag
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Since everyone but you is getting paid here, it falls in the category of "punishment by process."

  111. @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    The future is China.
     
    Correct.

    China is high IQ, but is indeed a "low trust" society. So more prone to stuff like corruption, corner cutting and associated debacles. Really only the one-people Western Christian nations and Japan (through some quite different route) are high-trust societies. (And the West is tossing that away.) But even with "high trust" Western nations have had--and still do--their share of screwups.

    My guess is that because of this lower trust, China will never quite be able to be as "nice" as its IQ would indicate. "Never" that is until the age of routine genetic selection and then we're off into some different world anyway.

    But China is still "the future", mainly because they are smart, have a huge population and are not suiciding themselves quite like the West.

    (And as a learned on the IQ-of-nations thread, that--seemingly easy to understand--reality drives a whole bunch of mouth breathing commenters batty.)

    Replies: @megabar, @nebulafox

    > because of this lower trust, China will never quite be able to be as “nice” as its IQ would indicate.

    > [China is] not suiciding themselves quite like the West.

    Possibly, these two are related.

  112. @AnotherDad
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Are you guys watching the Queen’s funeral?
    ...
    Very well done, if you ask me.

     

    Geez what is it with a bunch of you guys. Supposed "Americans".

    She was some old lady--not your momma--in a foreign country. Who, btw, was a crappy queen. "Reigned" over the worse 70 years of British history--bar none. While not directly responsible, did absolutely nothing with the political and persuasive powers she had to halt her nation's slide into the abyss. And if a modern monarch has any purpose beyond "looter" and "tourist attraction" it's that.

    Seriously some pomp with dudes dressed up like they're from the 16th century and you get all excited. What are you all homosexual royalists?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Kingdoms are a relic of homogeneous populations. We threw one off because we were already too diverse 250 years ago. That should have been a warning right there.

    Hahs Hermann Hoppe makes the case that monarchies are more stable than democracies– yes, that’s a mighty low standard, and “constitutional” monarchies fit more into the latter category– because it is in the long-term interest of the king and his progeny to keep them so. Long-term interest is alien to democracies.

  113. @Woodsie
    The biggest problem with speed cameras is that rich folk don't care. Us normies have to slow down to the pace of a fast bicycle but mr big can blow through the stop lights and do 40 mph in the 25 zone (which was 35 a few short years ago) and chalk it up to the price of doing business. What's a few hundred dollars in red light and speeding tickets to somebody who makes millions? These guys pay upwards of four hundred bucks everytime time they call a car service and don't blink. Just another way of letting us know who are the serfs and who are the masters. IF we had real world police pulling over the red light runners and speeders, it would at least add the inconvenience of ten minutes on the side of the road. So while pretending to give a "blind eye of justice" color to the camera scheme, the biggest benefit is to the rich folk, who dgaf.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    Speed cameras aren’t about ensuring fairness for the little guy it’s about reducing the overall number of deaths/accidents. A tiny minority of millionaire speeders continuing to speed because they can afford the ticket does not detract from the usefulness of speed cameras. Most people who speed are not rich and will be inconvenienced by the cameras, pay more attention to their surroundings and lower their speeds. And as a result they are somewhat less likely to recklessly plow into another vehicle while scrolling TikTok.

  114. @Colin Wright
    Well, more seriously...

    Tickets are for breaking the law and not carefully watching for cops.

    You can drive at 80 mph quite safely -- if you are watching the road. If you are watching the road, you will notice everyone else slowing down, what could be a cop up ahead or a cop moving up behind you -- and you'll slow down, and you're less likely to get a ticket.

    The cops give tickets mainly to people who are driving fast or dangerously -- and at the same time are so oblivious of their surroundings that they don't notice the cop.

    And isn't that how it should be?

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    That system breaks down when the cops give up on pulling people over altogether, as has been the case in many municipalities post-Floyd.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  115. @Unit472
    Arrest warrants do not have be issued for unpaid moving violations. The Denver Boot and or t0w truck can be used to immobilize and impound vehicles as is done for unpaid parking violations. This would remove police from the enforcement operation ( unless the miscreants attack parking enforcment personnel booting or towing vehicles) which would make the police happy if not the car owner. Since the police would only become involved upon receiving a request from parking authority personnel being threatened or attacked there would be a non police witness and request for help in case the police have to subdue or shoot a motorist.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    No no no you don’t understand you can’t just enforce existing law and carry out procedures which have existed for decades Look THIS IS ABOUT THE CLIMATE.

  116. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Ben Kurtz

    That site's about NY, and I'm not even sure I believe the lawyer. I don't live in New York. A friend of mine will request a jury trial for a ticket for beeping his horn in a gas station parking lot... I know ... it was a purely racial thing on the part of one of the cops.

    When you do this, it becomes a game of who can waste more of the other's time. You request a jury trial, they call you in for roll call (i.e., they do some yakking, don't settle it, and you have to be there), they you make motions for this or that. I personally don't have the patience for that - maybe when I'm retired it'll give me something to do - if they let me comment here from the audience... sometimes they are touch about that ...

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @bomag

    Some states might give you that right, but it’s not guaranteed by the Constitution so it’s not universal across America. In the states I am familiar with it is generally unheard of. But I’ll concede that there may be some states where you can do that.

    More broadly – yes, you can insist on every procedural safeguard that exists in your state (Confrontation Clause and Due Process means there will be a fair few, even if not a jury) in order to drive up costs for the other side a force the prosecution to retreat somewhat. And you can wait until retirement until that’s feasible time-wise.

    Or you can hire a traffic ticket lawyer to do all that for you at a very reasonable rate. He spends all day in the traffic ticket courthouse and does tickets in bulk, so he’s always around to attend whatever hearing is calendared.

    A good traffic ticket lawyer is a useful name in your Rolodex.

  117. @Ben Kurtz
    Speed cameras are essentially a tax on stupid and impulsive people.

    And in totally unrelated news, they are inherently Structurally Racist.

    Sometimes I fear that reality has a Structurally Racist bent.

    Replies: @ForeverCARealist

    Hey, you know, we used to say that the lottery is a tax on stupidity.

    Hmm… wondering. Who buys the lottery tickets, anyway? I wonder if it’s the same people that run red lights and drive too fast.

  118. I remember speed cameras at the Cermak & Clark intersection that one day acquired Black garbage bags in Chicago. Located near Black public housing.

    Yellow Vest Protesters Destroy 60 Percent of France’s Speed Cameras

    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-01-11/yellow-vest-protesters-destroy-60-percent-of-frances-speed-cameras

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Joe Stalin


    Yellow Vest Protesters Destroy 60 Percent of France’s Speed Cameras
     
    And for that they are heros of the République.

    Vive les Gilets Jaunes ... Vive la France !

    Replies: @Thirdtwin

  119. @AnotherDad
    @Reg Cæsar


    The future is China.
     
    Correct.

    China is high IQ, but is indeed a "low trust" society. So more prone to stuff like corruption, corner cutting and associated debacles. Really only the one-people Western Christian nations and Japan (through some quite different route) are high-trust societies. (And the West is tossing that away.) But even with "high trust" Western nations have had--and still do--their share of screwups.

    My guess is that because of this lower trust, China will never quite be able to be as "nice" as its IQ would indicate. "Never" that is until the age of routine genetic selection and then we're off into some different world anyway.

    But China is still "the future", mainly because they are smart, have a huge population and are not suiciding themselves quite like the West.

    (And as a learned on the IQ-of-nations thread, that--seemingly easy to understand--reality drives a whole bunch of mouth breathing commenters batty.)

    Replies: @megabar, @nebulafox

    Other developed East Asian societies-Taiwan, ROK, Singapore-have trust levels high enough that you can leave valuables in cafes safe in the knowledge they won’t be stolen, just like Japan.

    Mainland China isn’t a high trust society, to put it mildly, but a lot of that is due to more modern history and the PRC-specific cultural traits that resulted. It’s only been recently that not being poor anymore has become insufficient to fill the spiritual void in many people’s lives. It remains to be seen how things continue from here. As long as the CCP rules, my guess is that China will become high trust when it comes to things like petty crime and low trust when it comes to higher level, white collar or corporate interaction.

    If there’s one fundamental psychological gap between older and younger Americans, IMO, it’s the difference between growing up in a high trust society where people interacted freely with each other from childhood onward, and a low trust one where you were hyper managed if affluent and left completely adrift if you weren’t. Growing up in a place where you could trust other individuals or institutions to not arbitrarily harm you just gives you a different psychological makeup.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @nebulafox

    How much of an issue is petty crime in the PRC?

    Replies: @nebulafox

  120. @Buzz Mohawk
    Speed traps have been around forever.

    Long before speed cameras existed, little towns along highways would post ridiculously low speed limits. Travelers would suddenly see Barney Fife behind them in his cop car with the lights flashing, the speed limit having just dropped immediately down from, say, 55 mph to 20 mph before they even realized it.

    It was all for revenue, and it was part of the culture in certain places. Passers-through would pay the fines instead of staying in town to enjoy whatever the local procedure was for those who wanted to contest it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Pixo

  121. @Semi-Hemi
    Local young black guys now have started driving Dodge hellcat challengers at breakneck speeds close enough to where I stays that it sounds like somebodies gonna get killed any second. Out for a walk yesterday along that road and here they came! Two of them accelerating to about a hundred right past me. I'm jealous.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    Are you sure they were black guys? Black guys usually don’t drive fast.

    More likely they were black women, racing to get to the daycare center before the $1/minute late fee clock started ticking.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Paul Mendez

    Are you sure they were black guys? Black guys usually don’t drive fast.

    LOL have you never driven in a Black area?

    Pick a Black area and find a restaurant with outdoor seating on the main drag. Eat a meal and watch the show.

    Black guys love to drag the stoplights. Slam on the gas when it is green and then slam on the brakes when it is red. Doesn't matter if it is one block.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

  122. @The Alarmist
    If you've been paying attention, you'll know that machines, particularly AI, but all machines are racist. Apparently Highways are racist too.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-admin-starts-fixing-racist-roads-grant-dismantle-highway

    Replies: @bomag, @Polistra, @International Jew, @BosTex, @AnotherDad, @Sparkling Wiggle

    Highway placement is a funny no-win situation.

    If it goes down the middle of a black neighborhood, it splits the community.

    If it goes along the edge of a black neighborhood, it separates it from nearby white communities.

    If it is far away from a black neighborhood, then that neighborhood has been bypassed and cut off.

    All three claims are being made about different highways right now in different parts of the country.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Sparkling Wiggle

    Thanks. Can you give examples? I want to do something on the current Racist Roads obsession.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Joe Stalin, @additionalMike, @MEH 0910, @The Alarmist, @Sparkling Wiggle

  123. @Sparkling Wiggle
    @The Alarmist

    Highway placement is a funny no-win situation.

    If it goes down the middle of a black neighborhood, it splits the community.

    If it goes along the edge of a black neighborhood, it separates it from nearby white communities.

    If it is far away from a black neighborhood, then that neighborhood has been bypassed and cut off.

    All three claims are being made about different highways right now in different parts of the country.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks. Can you give examples? I want to do something on the current Racist Roads obsession.

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @Steve Sailer

    I-94 in Saint Paul is a racist road. It ran over the Rondo neighborhood which was the black neighborhood in the Twins Cities. Very, very racist. It is also racist to have a black neighborhood, so I 94 should have been routed elsewhere, cutting the black neighborhood from something or other, causing more racist mayhem.

    I-93 in Boston is kind of a racist road in that it skirts Roxbury and cuts it off from the terrible racists in South Boston and all the South Boston magic dirt which makes Southie perfectly great to live in and walk around in at 2 AM (unlike Roxbury) and access to the South Boston beaches, which is bad because we know that black people like to swim.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Steve Sailer

    WTTW-TV weights in.


    The Structures That Divide Us — A Photo Essay
    Exploring the physical barriers that segregate Chicago through history, poetry, and photography

    https://interactive.wttw.com/firsthand/segregation/the-structures-that-divide-us-a-photo-essay
     
    https://interactive.wttw.com/sites/default/files/seg-photo-essay-01_01.jpg

    Black residents were more affected by property loss than their White counterparts as a result of the Dan Ryan being built in 1961–1962. Photo by Esther Ikoro
     
    , @additionalMike
    @Steve Sailer

    Syracuse, man. Try Syracuse. Republicans allegedly routed a major North-South elevated interstate (81) to split a vibrant black neighborhood in the early '60's to destroy their voting power.
    This major truck highway will be reduced to a surface city boulevard, with plantings, evocative banners, traffic calming devices, and lots of red lights, to address Equity.
    Gov. Hochul, that Botoxed zombie, has promised that work will commence right away.

    What happens to North-South traffic when the existing, inadequate, traffic loop around the city (481) is closed because of a truck crash, perhaps due to a spectacular snowstorm?

    Don't nobody know.

    If I worked for NY State DOT, I would be embarrassed.

    , @MEH 0910
    @Steve Sailer

    https://archinect.com/news/article/150321692/segregation-by-design-using-visual-data-and-spatial-analysis-to-highlight-the-racist-legacy-of-urban-renewal


    What started as a self-funded project from New York-based architect Adam Paul Susaneck is gaining attention over its unique ability to paint a picture of the effects of racial segregation in the 180 American cities included in the controversial Federal Highway Act of 1956.

    Inspired by Richard Rothstein’s The Color of Law, Susaneck launched his Segregation by Design project in early 2021 to "reveal the extent to which the American city was methodically hollowed out based on race."
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/08/opinion/urban-highways-segregation.html
    https://archive.ph/zIU7I
    https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1568910896440791041

    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567902269110366210
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567902707020603394
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567903424024399875
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567904289070190599
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567904916131414017
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567905732636381186
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567906266311434242

    Replies: @BosTex, @Pixo

    , @The Alarmist
    @Steve Sailer

    Robert Caro’s biography of Robert Moses, The Power Broker, tells the story of the man behind much of NYC’s traffic infrastructure, and it offers up a number of examples purported to show that much of it was designed to keep the brown folk down. The most famous examples are the low bridges on the Southern State Parkway, alleged to be purpose-built to keep busses full of brown people from coming out to Long Island beaches, and the Cross-Bronx Expressway, which tore the low-income neighbourhoods of the South Bronx asunder.

    Here is but one of many discussions of Pete Buttigeg’s racist road crusade:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/04/12/republicans-mock-buttigieg-for-saying-highways-are-racist-but-heres-what-he-meant/

    , @Sparkling Wiggle
    @Steve Sailer

    The first case I think is the most common claim, and it’s what buttgieg said about Detroit.

    For the second one, I35 here in Austin is always said to have created some kind of impenetrable boundary between black communities in the east and the rest of Austin. Somehow the gentrifiers found a way to breach it though. Now they’re talking about “cap and stitch,” basically making it a tunnel through downtown with parks on top to remedy the highway’s racist past.

    I’ll get on google and see if I can find where I last heard the bypassed/left behind by progress narrative.

  124. @Paul Mendez
    @Semi-Hemi

    Are you sure they were black guys? Black guys usually don’t drive fast.

    More likely they were black women, racing to get to the daycare center before the $1/minute late fee clock started ticking.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Are you sure they were black guys? Black guys usually don’t drive fast.

    LOL have you never driven in a Black area?

    Pick a Black area and find a restaurant with outdoor seating on the main drag. Eat a meal and watch the show.

    Black guys love to drag the stoplights. Slam on the gas when it is green and then slam on the brakes when it is red. Doesn’t matter if it is one block.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @John Johnson

    You must live in a part of the country where the indigenous black culture has been corrupted by the influence of rednecks. I.e. “Blacknecks.”

    Blacknecks are also known to hunt, play softball and wear Lee jeans.

  125. @Clark Kent
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Jews and negroes have already begun writing articles about how racist and evil the queen was. Not surprised at all.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @YetAnotherAnon

    I guess she didn’t circumcise her sons.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason



    Jews and negroes have already begun writing articles about how racist and evil the queen was. Not surprised at all.
     
    I guess she didn’t circumcise her sons.
     
    Of course not. No mother does. She called in Dr Snowman for the job:


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Snowman


    Will William and Kate call for the rabbi?


    https://www.virtualjudaica.com/Content/listingImages/20140117/a34b3c73-6fc4-4b8f-8b4d-dbd896bb4a36_fullsize.jpg
  126. @anon
    @I, Libertine

    It's Big Brother.

    You can't even drive around on an empty road that you have all to yourself without feeling the sword of Damocles hanging over your head.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘…You can’t even drive around on an empty road that you have all to yourself without feeling the sword of Damocles hanging over your head.’

    Yeah — but face facts. That Sword of Damocles does make you a safer driver.

    I have driven long distances innumerable times whilst thoroughly plowed. Fact of the matter is, my intense aversion to a DUI ticket did make me drive extra- super-duper carefully.

    …and that would seem to have been for the best. At any rate, I never ran off the road or went head-on into a minivan carrying a family of six.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Colin Wright

    Maybe. But in the same way that banning guns would probably lead to less annual homicides, there are other considerations at play.

    This over-optimization of society sucks for individuals... it's great for the billionaires, I guess.

  127. @AnotherDad
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Are you guys watching the Queen’s funeral?
    ...
    Very well done, if you ask me.

     

    Geez what is it with a bunch of you guys. Supposed "Americans".

    She was some old lady--not your momma--in a foreign country. Who, btw, was a crappy queen. "Reigned" over the worse 70 years of British history--bar none. While not directly responsible, did absolutely nothing with the political and persuasive powers she had to halt her nation's slide into the abyss. And if a modern monarch has any purpose beyond "looter" and "tourist attraction" it's that.

    Seriously some pomp with dudes dressed up like they're from the 16th century and you get all excited. What are you all homosexual royalists?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Reg Cæsar, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Seriously some pomp with dudes dressed up like they’re from the 16th century and you get all excited.

    The daddy doth protest too much, methinks.

  128. @Steve Sailer
    @Sparkling Wiggle

    Thanks. Can you give examples? I want to do something on the current Racist Roads obsession.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Joe Stalin, @additionalMike, @MEH 0910, @The Alarmist, @Sparkling Wiggle

    I-94 in Saint Paul is a racist road. It ran over the Rondo neighborhood which was the black neighborhood in the Twins Cities. Very, very racist. It is also racist to have a black neighborhood, so I 94 should have been routed elsewhere, cutting the black neighborhood from something or other, causing more racist mayhem.

    I-93 in Boston is kind of a racist road in that it skirts Roxbury and cuts it off from the terrible racists in South Boston and all the South Boston magic dirt which makes Southie perfectly great to live in and walk around in at 2 AM (unlike Roxbury) and access to the South Boston beaches, which is bad because we know that black people like to swim.

  129. @ForeverCARealist
    @Arclight

    Speed cameras will work, but the fines need to be lower, and there needs to be plenty of warnings showing up in the mail... maybe on your phone?...

    Newer cars already have the speed limit showing up on the dashboard telling you whether you're over the limit or not. The computers everywhere could tabulate who drives safely and who doesn't.

    My son got a good driver discount by putting an app on his phone that relayed all his driving to the insurance company. For 3 months they tracked him to tell if he was peeling out or slamming on the breaks a lot. After that trial he deleted the app.

    I could see the insurance companies rating people not on their demographic or locale, but directly on their driving. "Hey, you drive like you're drag racing all the time. Are you? Your insurance will cost $1000/month."

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Arclight

    In theory not a bad idea/incentive but since like all punitive measures it will disproportionately impact those with the hardest time following the rules in the first place no doubt the disparate impact would result in ‘reforms’ that gut the entire purpose.

    • Replies: @ForeverCARealist
    @Arclight

    They could run experiments in white areas to see how the cameras affect crashes/road deaths. I suppose this had already been done, but if it's effective, why not trumpet it to the public?

    How high do the fines have to be to get me to stop speeding without simultaneously immiserating me?

    Probably an entire generation of speeders would have to die off before the next generation learned from day one that it's better to be late than to pay a fine. I guess this is the Exodus principle in action.

  130. @Chatsworth
    @Reg Cæsar

    The choir of St. George’s Chapel has been all male since it’s founding in the 14th century. This year it was announced that girls will be added.

    And so it begins.

    Replies: @Kylie, @Reg Cæsar

    Is that you, Chatsworth?

  131. @kaganovitch
    Kind of OT but really not. NY state taking Steve's advice;
    https://www.thecity.nyc/justice/2022/9/13/23352167/convicted-pot-dealers-promised-first-licenses-process-difficult
    Steve is kind of the shadow Clark Clifford of our time. The unacknowledged 'eminence grise' behind many current proposals. I think Clifford's gig was more profitable, though.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @additionalMike

    Once the NY State Dem Party discovered that it could do the most outrageous things without acts of journalism being committed against it (OK with the exception of Fox News and the NY Post), all bets were off.
    My State has gone crazy.

  132. @Jonathan Mason
    @Clark Kent

    I guess she didn't circumcise her sons.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Jews and negroes have already begun writing articles about how racist and evil the queen was. Not surprised at all.

    I guess she didn’t circumcise her sons.

    Of course not. No mother does. She called in Dr Snowman for the job:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Snowman

    Will William and Kate call for the rabbi?

  133. @Steve Sailer
    @Sparkling Wiggle

    Thanks. Can you give examples? I want to do something on the current Racist Roads obsession.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Joe Stalin, @additionalMike, @MEH 0910, @The Alarmist, @Sparkling Wiggle

    WTTW-TV weights in.

    The Structures That Divide Us — A Photo Essay
    Exploring the physical barriers that segregate Chicago through history, poetry, and photography

    https://interactive.wttw.com/firsthand/segregation/the-structures-that-divide-us-a-photo-essay

    Black residents were more affected by property loss than their White counterparts as a result of the Dan Ryan being built in 1961–1962. Photo by Esther Ikoro

  134. @Steve Sailer
    @Sparkling Wiggle

    Thanks. Can you give examples? I want to do something on the current Racist Roads obsession.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Joe Stalin, @additionalMike, @MEH 0910, @The Alarmist, @Sparkling Wiggle

    Syracuse, man. Try Syracuse. Republicans allegedly routed a major North-South elevated interstate (81) to split a vibrant black neighborhood in the early ’60’s to destroy their voting power.
    This major truck highway will be reduced to a surface city boulevard, with plantings, evocative banners, traffic calming devices, and lots of red lights, to address Equity.
    Gov. Hochul, that Botoxed zombie, has promised that work will commence right away.

    What happens to North-South traffic when the existing, inadequate, traffic loop around the city (481) is closed because of a truck crash, perhaps due to a spectacular snowstorm?

    Don’t nobody know.

    If I worked for NY State DOT, I would be embarrassed.

  135. @Steve Sailer
    @Sparkling Wiggle

    Thanks. Can you give examples? I want to do something on the current Racist Roads obsession.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Joe Stalin, @additionalMike, @MEH 0910, @The Alarmist, @Sparkling Wiggle

    https://archinect.com/news/article/150321692/segregation-by-design-using-visual-data-and-spatial-analysis-to-highlight-the-racist-legacy-of-urban-renewal

    What started as a self-funded project from New York-based architect Adam Paul Susaneck is gaining attention over its unique ability to paint a picture of the effects of racial segregation in the 180 American cities included in the controversial Federal Highway Act of 1956.

    Inspired by Richard Rothstein’s The Color of Law, Susaneck launched his Segregation by Design project in early 2021 to “reveal the extent to which the American city was methodically hollowed out based on race.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/08/opinion/urban-highways-segregation.html
    https://archive.ph/zIU7I


    [MORE]

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @MEH 0910

    Thanks Meh, this is very good. I was joking about Boston, but son of a gun, I93 is the racist road outlined.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @Pixo
    @MEH 0910

    “ Urban renewal projects in the 1950s and ’60s almost always disproportionately displaced nonwhite families, notes @SegByDesign. In a visual essay, you can use an interactive chart to examine the disparity, city by city, around the country. ”

    My NYT pitch:

    Murder and armed robbery from the 1960s to today always and without exceptions are disproportionately committed by ¡¡¡BLACKS!!! against white families. In a visual essay, you can use an interactive chart to see how ¡¡¡BLACKS!!! (pbuh) commit murder at about 11 times the non-hispanic white (yuck!) rate, and armed robbery and carjacking at 20 and 50 times whites.

    Our interactive tool also allows you to see how more than 25 million whites fled the cities they grew up in and loved due to black violence, corruption, and theft, including those whose lifetime of hard work and savings was wiped out by black rioters and property value destruction, and the thousands of whites murdered, maimed, raped, and disfigured by ¡¡¡BLACK!!! crime.

  136. @Polistra
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?
     
    Another question: how could a culture like this have been turned completely suicidal in just a few decades?

    Replies: @clifford brown

    They lost World War II.

  137. Anon[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @SunBakedSuburb
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    "But ... can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as commonly claimed?"

    A question I ponder five or six times per month. I'm a cultural Anglophile -- the work of English writers, musicians/composers, and filmmakers is a wellspring of inspiration. Whilst a big dopey kid I seemed to gravitate more towards English mythos than American. Still, I attempt to reconcile this attraction with the known knowns of British darkness. Yeah, colonial blah-blah-blah. I get it. But it is the bloodline institution, and the tributaries that branch off into a parasitic aristocracy, that reek of sulfur. It would be nice to turn back time and prevent the Venetian Babylonians from transferring their base of operations from the Netherlands to London. The Magi injected a spiritual decay that corrupts to this day. Part of that corruption involves wiping away Pictish, Celtic, Roman, Anglo-Saxon, Viking, Norman, DNA, to be replaced by the vibrant colours. It's time for Arthur to cut short his Avalon sojourn.

    Replies: @Anon

    Bravo.

    CS Lewis has a short beautiful book about the types of love; one of the simpler ones was the love of the land that saw a person born. Patriotism. That love can rightly be bestowed both on a land and on its culture: the people, the language, arts, idiosincrasias, rituals, esthetics. It’s normal to love the products of the high point of the Anglosphere.. and normal also to decry its pollution.

    Latin Americans call Spain the “Madre Patria”, or “Mother Homeland”.. a way of recognizing the bonds that tie these nations together, and that transcend any shenanigans by the elites. Way more poetic than the rather dry burocratese of “special relationship”.

  138. @Anon
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    If you thought the Queen's funeral looked nice, you should've seen George Floyd's. Floyd got a golden casket, unlike the Queen:

    https://twitter.com/APhilosophae/status/1571884465953046531

    Replies: @epebble

    https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/30653e2fa811047d4c560d2383991fd8

    Greg Abbott, the state’s Republican governor, was among the first to view the casket. He wore a striped gold and crimson tie, the colours of Mr Floyd’s Houston high school, where he was a standout football player.

    “George Floyd is going to change the arc of the future of the United States.

    “George Floyd has not died in vain. His life will be a living legacy about the way that America and Texas respond to this tragedy,” Mr Abbott said.

    https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/george-floyd-funeral-thousands-queue-to-see-golden-casket-to-pay-respects/news-story/05423091452b0433a8327038ef05cd10

  139. @Buzz Mohawk
    Speed traps have been around forever.

    Long before speed cameras existed, little towns along highways would post ridiculously low speed limits. Travelers would suddenly see Barney Fife behind them in his cop car with the lights flashing, the speed limit having just dropped immediately down from, say, 55 mph to 20 mph before they even realized it.

    It was all for revenue, and it was part of the culture in certain places. Passers-through would pay the fines instead of staying in town to enjoy whatever the local procedure was for those who wanted to contest it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Pixo

    California doesn’t allow this. There’s an anti-speed-trap law, and there’s also not a lot of random tiny towns on 55mph country roads that are ideal for speed traps.

    I generally drive 85 to 89 in California 65 zones when traffic is light and do not get speeding tickets.

    Going 90-100 is risky, and my only ticket was going about 95, but kindly marked down as 90. Hitting 100 however you face a $2000 fine and your insurance will go up by $2500 over two years, so don’t go nuts here. When I was young and dumb however I’d go 115 for long stretches on the 10 in the desert east of LA, hitting 135 for short stretches, and used a radar detector. While I don’t advise you to do the same, it was really fun.

  140. @MEH 0910
    @Steve Sailer

    https://archinect.com/news/article/150321692/segregation-by-design-using-visual-data-and-spatial-analysis-to-highlight-the-racist-legacy-of-urban-renewal


    What started as a self-funded project from New York-based architect Adam Paul Susaneck is gaining attention over its unique ability to paint a picture of the effects of racial segregation in the 180 American cities included in the controversial Federal Highway Act of 1956.

    Inspired by Richard Rothstein’s The Color of Law, Susaneck launched his Segregation by Design project in early 2021 to "reveal the extent to which the American city was methodically hollowed out based on race."
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/08/opinion/urban-highways-segregation.html
    https://archive.ph/zIU7I
    https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1568910896440791041

    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567902269110366210
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567902707020603394
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567903424024399875
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567904289070190599
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567904916131414017
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567905732636381186
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567906266311434242

    Replies: @BosTex, @Pixo

    Thanks Meh, this is very good. I was joking about Boston, but son of a gun, I93 is the racist road outlined.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @BosTex

    As you can see in the video, I-93 parallels existing major thoroughfares Morrissey Boulevard and Dot Ave. where it's "racist".

  141. @MEH 0910
    @Steve Sailer

    https://archinect.com/news/article/150321692/segregation-by-design-using-visual-data-and-spatial-analysis-to-highlight-the-racist-legacy-of-urban-renewal


    What started as a self-funded project from New York-based architect Adam Paul Susaneck is gaining attention over its unique ability to paint a picture of the effects of racial segregation in the 180 American cities included in the controversial Federal Highway Act of 1956.

    Inspired by Richard Rothstein’s The Color of Law, Susaneck launched his Segregation by Design project in early 2021 to "reveal the extent to which the American city was methodically hollowed out based on race."
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/08/opinion/urban-highways-segregation.html
    https://archive.ph/zIU7I
    https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1568910896440791041

    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567902269110366210
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567902707020603394
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567903424024399875
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567904289070190599
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567904916131414017
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567905732636381186
    https://twitter.com/SegByDesign/status/1567906266311434242

    Replies: @BosTex, @Pixo

    “ Urban renewal projects in the 1950s and ’60s almost always disproportionately displaced nonwhite families, notes @SegByDesign. In a visual essay, you can use an interactive chart to examine the disparity, city by city, around the country. ”

    My NYT pitch:

    Murder and armed robbery from the 1960s to today always and without exceptions are disproportionately committed by ¡¡¡BLACKS!!! against white families. In a visual essay, you can use an interactive chart to see how ¡¡¡BLACKS!!! (pbuh) commit murder at about 11 times the non-hispanic white (yuck!) rate, and armed robbery and carjacking at 20 and 50 times whites.

    Our interactive tool also allows you to see how more than 25 million whites fled the cities they grew up in and loved due to black violence, corruption, and theft, including those whose lifetime of hard work and savings was wiped out by black rioters and property value destruction, and the thousands of whites murdered, maimed, raped, and disfigured by ¡¡¡BLACK!!! crime.

  142. @Steve Sailer
    @Sparkling Wiggle

    Thanks. Can you give examples? I want to do something on the current Racist Roads obsession.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Joe Stalin, @additionalMike, @MEH 0910, @The Alarmist, @Sparkling Wiggle

    Robert Caro’s biography of Robert Moses, The Power Broker, tells the story of the man behind much of NYC’s traffic infrastructure, and it offers up a number of examples purported to show that much of it was designed to keep the brown folk down. The most famous examples are the low bridges on the Southern State Parkway, alleged to be purpose-built to keep busses full of brown people from coming out to Long Island beaches, and the Cross-Bronx Expressway, which tore the low-income neighbourhoods of the South Bronx asunder.

    Here is but one of many discussions of Pete Buttigeg’s racist road crusade:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2021/04/12/republicans-mock-buttigieg-for-saying-highways-are-racist-but-heres-what-he-meant/

  143. @Joe Stalin
    I remember speed cameras at the Cermak & Clark intersection that one day acquired Black garbage bags in Chicago. Located near Black public housing.

    https://www.usnews.com/object/image/00000168-3e1a-d068-a5e9-fe1bd2fd0000/190111-camera-editorial.jpg

    Yellow Vest Protesters Destroy 60 Percent of France’s Speed Cameras

    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-01-11/yellow-vest-protesters-destroy-60-percent-of-frances-speed-cameras
     

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Yellow Vest Protesters Destroy 60 Percent of France’s Speed Cameras

    And for that they are heros of the République.

    Vive les Gilets Jaunes … Vive la France !

    • Replies: @Thirdtwin
    @The Alarmist

    “Yellow Vest Protesters Destroy 60 Percent of France’s Speed Cameras”

    And then came covid, the lockdowns and the jab mandates.

    The Yellow Vests, like monkeypox, dropped off the face of the earth. I wonder what the current status of speed cameras is in France now. I bet they’re all back in place, plus 20%.

  144. @mike99588
    @countenance

    here now
    10 years hence ubiquitous

    Replies: @countenance

    I mean it in the sense of limiting the speed of automobiles within a genofence.

  145. @Clark Kent
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Jews and negroes have already begun writing articles about how racist and evil the queen was. Not surprised at all.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @YetAnotherAnon

    “Jews and negroes have already begun writing articles about how racist and evil the queen was.”

    In Afua Hirsh you get a two-for-one deal!

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/13/queen-reign-death-elizabeth-ii-uk-minorities-british-empire

    …the harrowing memories of a legacy the British establishment has refused to acknowledge. The plunder of land and diamonds in South Africa, crimes that adorned the Queen’s very crown. The physical suffering that continues from violence inflicted by her government in Kenya, even as her reign was celebrated for having begun there. The scars of genocide in Nigeria, events that took place a decade into her rule..

    • Agree: Clark Kent
  146. @Steve Sailer
    @Sparkling Wiggle

    Thanks. Can you give examples? I want to do something on the current Racist Roads obsession.

    Replies: @BosTex, @Joe Stalin, @additionalMike, @MEH 0910, @The Alarmist, @Sparkling Wiggle

    The first case I think is the most common claim, and it’s what buttgieg said about Detroit.

    For the second one, I35 here in Austin is always said to have created some kind of impenetrable boundary between black communities in the east and the rest of Austin. Somehow the gentrifiers found a way to breach it though. Now they’re talking about “cap and stitch,” basically making it a tunnel through downtown with parks on top to remedy the highway’s racist past.

    I’ll get on google and see if I can find where I last heard the bypassed/left behind by progress narrative.

  147. @Achmed E. Newman
    Speed Cameras: No.

    They violate Bill of Rights, Amendment VI:

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
     
    It's going to be more than license plate character recognition after a while. AI will determine that you, Steve, are a racist White guy and need to be pulled over first.

    Replies: @bomag, @Pat Kittle, @The Alarmist, @guest007, @GeraldB, @Pixo, @Cloudbuster

    “…to be confronted with the witnesses against him”

    Dave, in court: “Admit it, you soulless AI, you faked my speed data to get back at me for junking my smart fridge!”

    Hal: “I’m sorry, Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that.”

  148. @Kylie
    @Chatsworth

    "The choir of St. George’s Chapel has been all male since it’s founding in the 14th century. This year it was announced that girls will be added.

    And so it begins."

    Yes, the UK is much farther gone than the US. It's horrible.

    Meanwhile there's this choir, founded in 1996.
    The comments are worth reading, especially the one by Oksana Oksana.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcDihq0aXF4&feature=share&si=ELPmzJkDCLju2KnD5oyZMQ

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Male voice choirs are fantastic, although this has a slight if unintended Python feel.

    So are female ones.

    I’m not sure mixing them doesn’t lose something.

  149. @Arclight
    @ForeverCARealist

    In theory not a bad idea/incentive but since like all punitive measures it will disproportionately impact those with the hardest time following the rules in the first place no doubt the disparate impact would result in 'reforms' that gut the entire purpose.

    Replies: @ForeverCARealist

    They could run experiments in white areas to see how the cameras affect crashes/road deaths. I suppose this had already been done, but if it’s effective, why not trumpet it to the public?

    How high do the fines have to be to get me to stop speeding without simultaneously immiserating me?

    Probably an entire generation of speeders would have to die off before the next generation learned from day one that it’s better to be late than to pay a fine. I guess this is the Exodus principle in action.

  150. @The Alarmist
    @Joe Stalin


    Yellow Vest Protesters Destroy 60 Percent of France’s Speed Cameras
     
    And for that they are heros of the République.

    Vive les Gilets Jaunes ... Vive la France !

    Replies: @Thirdtwin

    “Yellow Vest Protesters Destroy 60 Percent of France’s Speed Cameras”

    And then came covid, the lockdowns and the jab mandates.

    The Yellow Vests, like monkeypox, dropped off the face of the earth. I wonder what the current status of speed cameras is in France now. I bet they’re all back in place, plus 20%.

  151. @Colin Wright
    @anon

    '...You can’t even drive around on an empty road that you have all to yourself without feeling the sword of Damocles hanging over your head.'

    Yeah -- but face facts. That Sword of Damocles does make you a safer driver.

    I have driven long distances innumerable times whilst thoroughly plowed. Fact of the matter is, my intense aversion to a DUI ticket did make me drive extra- super-duper carefully.

    ...and that would seem to have been for the best. At any rate, I never ran off the road or went head-on into a minivan carrying a family of six.

    Replies: @anon

    Maybe. But in the same way that banning guns would probably lead to less annual homicides, there are other considerations at play.

    This over-optimization of society sucks for individuals… it’s great for the billionaires, I guess.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  152. @AnotherDad
    @International Jew


    Now here’s puzzler for you, Rege (if I may address you by the vocative): if the US were to switch to driving on the left, would our existing highway interchanges still work?
     
    Most everything "sorta" works, but it would still be hellish.

    The biggest thing issue is that we build up the "wait" side of intersections. For example, a typical urban throughfare might have left turn, through, through and right turn lanes for "waiters", while the "receiving" or "sucking" side has only two through lanes.

    Where the highway is undivided you can restring the lights and get out the paint sprayer and fix that up.

    But where a highway is divided you've got much more serious construction to do. Knocking down dividers and laying pavement--if there is even space for it. Think of a typical urban/suburban highway exit. It is usually two or three or even four lanes wide where it intersects the cross street, to handle the exiting traffic waiting to go left or right. In contrast the entrance ramp is often nicely widely curved to easily accept traffic either way but is basically one (broad) lane onto the highway.


    My understanding is the Brits looked into switching after the war, but decided it was too pricey even then. The Swedes converted in the early 60s (i think). Simple roads switch with little effort--sometimes nothing beyond moving signs. But the more big highways/throughfares/interchanges you build out the more prohibitively expensive it becomes.

    ~~~

    BTW, from the math perspective this looks like a symmetric "just pick one" issue. And that's how it evolved historically. People in different places had varying traditions.

    But I've read that LHT--driving on the left--is actually more natural for right handers, or maybe right handers who are right eye dominant (the majority). And results in a slightly lower accident rate as a result. Not sure.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Thanks, you’ve raised a host of interesting issues I didn’t think of (and I have thought about it; we batted this around the lunch table at work awhile back).

    The most insightful comment from my colleagues was: imagine filming traffic from a helicopter. If you then replayed the footage backwards, would anything look off?

  153. @NJ Transit Commuter
    OT, but watching QE II’s funeral now.

    What’s the over / under for the first article criticizing it for being so overtly Christian and white?

    More seriously, look at Westminster Abbey and listen to the hymns. Very fashionable to criticize the how evil and rotten Western culture is. But my goodness, can a culture that has created this much beauty be as bad as is commonly claimed?

    Replies: @Clark Kent, @Barnard, @Polistra, @usNthem, @Carol, @SFG, @Janbar, @International Jew, @Thoughts, @SunBakedSuburb, @Anon, @Prester John

    In a word: no!

    But that’s becoming increasingly a minority view.

  154. @nebulafox
    @AnotherDad

    Other developed East Asian societies-Taiwan, ROK, Singapore-have trust levels high enough that you can leave valuables in cafes safe in the knowledge they won't be stolen, just like Japan.

    Mainland China isn't a high trust society, to put it mildly, but a lot of that is due to more modern history and the PRC-specific cultural traits that resulted. It's only been recently that not being poor anymore has become insufficient to fill the spiritual void in many people's lives. It remains to be seen how things continue from here. As long as the CCP rules, my guess is that China will become high trust when it comes to things like petty crime and low trust when it comes to higher level, white collar or corporate interaction.

    If there's one fundamental psychological gap between older and younger Americans, IMO, it's the difference between growing up in a high trust society where people interacted freely with each other from childhood onward, and a low trust one where you were hyper managed if affluent and left completely adrift if you weren't. Growing up in a place where you could trust other individuals or institutions to not arbitrarily harm you just gives you a different psychological makeup.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    How much of an issue is petty crime in the PRC?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It exists, but more in the form of pickpockets than muggings. Foreigners are significantly less at risk than natives are because the criminals know the government will crack down hard on them targeting the former too much. Main thing foreigners need to worry about is fraud related stuff. Needless to say, Chinese cities are safe at night in a way American ones often aren't.

    Like in Malaysia and India, there are "beggar mafias" as well who intentionally cripple beggars to make them look more pitiful. In China, cultural views toward begging are intensely negative, so Westerners are targeted more here. One of my first memories of China was a couple of chemically deformed beggars-including a child our age-being beaten by the police after trying to beg from me and my brother.

    Replies: @Jugon

  155. @John Johnson
    @Paul Mendez

    Are you sure they were black guys? Black guys usually don’t drive fast.

    LOL have you never driven in a Black area?

    Pick a Black area and find a restaurant with outdoor seating on the main drag. Eat a meal and watch the show.

    Black guys love to drag the stoplights. Slam on the gas when it is green and then slam on the brakes when it is red. Doesn't matter if it is one block.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    You must live in a part of the country where the indigenous black culture has been corrupted by the influence of rednecks. I.e. “Blacknecks.”

    Blacknecks are also known to hunt, play softball and wear Lee jeans.

  156. I don’t think speed cams are racist. I think they’re a tool of a police (fascist if you will) state. Get rid of them.

  157. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Ben Kurtz

    That site's about NY, and I'm not even sure I believe the lawyer. I don't live in New York. A friend of mine will request a jury trial for a ticket for beeping his horn in a gas station parking lot... I know ... it was a purely racial thing on the part of one of the cops.

    When you do this, it becomes a game of who can waste more of the other's time. You request a jury trial, they call you in for roll call (i.e., they do some yakking, don't settle it, and you have to be there), they you make motions for this or that. I personally don't have the patience for that - maybe when I'm retired it'll give me something to do - if they let me comment here from the audience... sometimes they are touch about that ...

    Replies: @Ben Kurtz, @bomag

    Since everyone but you is getting paid here, it falls in the category of “punishment by process.”

  158. @JohnnyWalker123
    @nebulafox

    How much of an issue is petty crime in the PRC?

    Replies: @nebulafox

    It exists, but more in the form of pickpockets than muggings. Foreigners are significantly less at risk than natives are because the criminals know the government will crack down hard on them targeting the former too much. Main thing foreigners need to worry about is fraud related stuff. Needless to say, Chinese cities are safe at night in a way American ones often aren’t.

    Like in Malaysia and India, there are “beggar mafias” as well who intentionally cripple beggars to make them look more pitiful. In China, cultural views toward begging are intensely negative, so Westerners are targeted more here. One of my first memories of China was a couple of chemically deformed beggars-including a child our age-being beaten by the police after trying to beg from me and my brother.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Jugon
    @nebulafox

    As a malaysian ,beggar mafia here are run by ethnic rohingyas , Pakistani nationals and Cambodians.Rohingyas are notorious for using babies and children in their begging acts while the Pakistanis would approach you asking donation for some non existent madrasas in their home country.Cambodians are the ones you normally see employing crippled individuals to beg.no one knows whether they are crippled by birth,by accident or being crippled by their handlers.However they are getting rarer lately and the rohingyas and Pakistanis are replacing them.we even have local male beggars who are blind and they usually operate with an Indonesian lady who will guide them on the street.the latter will receive some of proceeds of the begging.sometimes she'll get more if she satisfies him lol

  159. @Polistra
    @The Alarmist

    And diets. Ain't nothing more racist than whitesplaining that some food is supposedly more "healthy" than whatever tastes good. That's not even good science yo.


    https://i.ibb.co/ccH53jK/090858970b3635a825bec6cc0f4fba41348fdb35-14.jpg

    Disparate health outcomes are the result of medicalized white supremacy.

    Replies: @Sam Malone

    Saw this on Breaking Points. That black woman doctor goes by the title “Black Nutritionist” or something. Turns out she works for one of the big junk food companies and is coming up with creative ways to enrich them.

  160. @Technite78

    But then Blacks would get disproportionately more tickets and disproportionately not pay them. So eventually they’d have warrants, get pulled over for that, then resist arrest, and then we’d have a bunch of George Floyd incidents. May sound Cynical, but probably true.
     
    That might have been true in the past, but with big cities implementing no-bail laws for most crimes, they would quickly implement no-warrant rules for traffic violations; instead of warrants, they would just go right to attaching wages (making sure that it's only enforced for people who have income to attach).

    After all, it's clear that in Chicago, New York, LA, Philadelphia, etc. (not to mention the federal government) the goal is not to reduce crime, but to raise income. Therefore, law "enforcement" will continue to move from incarceration to monetary penalties and seizures.

    Replies: @Rob

    Fewer traffic stops seriously makes drug dealing easier. I guess cities need a major industry to be competitive with internet retail?

  161. @BosTex
    @MEH 0910

    Thanks Meh, this is very good. I was joking about Boston, but son of a gun, I93 is the racist road outlined.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    As you can see in the video, I-93 parallels existing major thoroughfares Morrissey Boulevard and Dot Ave. where it’s “racist”.

  162. @nebulafox
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It exists, but more in the form of pickpockets than muggings. Foreigners are significantly less at risk than natives are because the criminals know the government will crack down hard on them targeting the former too much. Main thing foreigners need to worry about is fraud related stuff. Needless to say, Chinese cities are safe at night in a way American ones often aren't.

    Like in Malaysia and India, there are "beggar mafias" as well who intentionally cripple beggars to make them look more pitiful. In China, cultural views toward begging are intensely negative, so Westerners are targeted more here. One of my first memories of China was a couple of chemically deformed beggars-including a child our age-being beaten by the police after trying to beg from me and my brother.

    Replies: @Jugon

    As a malaysian ,beggar mafia here are run by ethnic rohingyas , Pakistani nationals and Cambodians.Rohingyas are notorious for using babies and children in their begging acts while the Pakistanis would approach you asking donation for some non existent madrasas in their home country.Cambodians are the ones you normally see employing crippled individuals to beg.no one knows whether they are crippled by birth,by accident or being crippled by their handlers.However they are getting rarer lately and the rohingyas and Pakistanis are replacing them.we even have local male beggars who are blind and they usually operate with an Indonesian lady who will guide them on the street.the latter will receive some of proceeds of the begging.sometimes she’ll get more if she satisfies him lol

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