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You can’t have land reform in South Africa on the scale the Economic Freedom Fighter party is demanding without breaking a few white farmers’ skulls.

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Personally, being a crazed extremist, I support Nelson Mandela’s policy of no expropriation without compensation of South African farmland. South Africa still has a fair number of extremely rich white people, so if the government wants to, say, tax the old diamond and gold billionaires harder to pay for eminent domain on farmland, that seems reasonable. But that’s probably not going to happen since the diamond and gold zillionaires of South Africa tend to have international networks of influential allies, and are friends with the post-Zuma ANC, while the Boer farmers are friendless nobodies.

But Adam Serwer of The Atlantic thinks the Mandela policy is White Nationalist, in contrast to the more enlightened anti-racist Julius Malema policy of land grabs that worked so well for Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe.

It’s interesting to see how far the War on Beckys has proceeded among white liberal intellectuals to reflect back on the now-bizarre sounding fact that South African-born J.M. Coetzee was awarded the 2003 Nobel Prize in Literature despite having to go into exile in Australia the year before because his 1999 novel Disgrace about the gangrape of a white lesbian farmowner by newly empowered blacks had angered the ruling African National Congress party.

The main character in Coetzee’s Disgrace, a #MeTooed professor specializing in Byron’s poetry, reflects after the attack on his daughter and himself:

It happens every day, every hour, every minute, he tells himself, in every quarter of the country. Count yourself lucky to have escaped with your life. …

A risk to own anything: a car, a pair of shoes, a pack of cigarettes. … Too many people, too few things. What there is must go into circulation, so that everyone can have a chance to be happy for a day. That is the theory; hold to the theory and to the comforts of theory. Not human evil, just a vast circulatory system, to whose workings pity and terror are irrelevant. That is how one must see life in this country; in its schematic aspect. Otherwise one could go mad. Cars, shoes; women, too. There must be some niche in the system for women and what happens to them.

Or maybe the Beckys just have it coming?

How long until a campaign starts to revoke Coetzee’s Nobel?

 
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  1. Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I believe that our future is actually Malaysia, where a mercantile minority keeps society going and is allowed to continue to mostly exist at the cost of paying for the unproductive majority and constantly kissing the ring with humiliation rituals like having to celebrate Muslim holidays.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Desiderius, @Nigerian Nationalist

    , @attilathehen
    @Anonymous

    Argentina is fine. Brazil is a mess (over 55% black).

    South Africa is gone.

    (((Adam Serwer))) is a black/Jew. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/nation-of-islam/555332/

    He wants Brazil/South Africa as our future.

    Replies: @Ed, @The Wild Geese Howard, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Redneck farmer, @Anonymous

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.
     

    Brazil and Argentina are quite monolingual, far more so than the US. (A few Argentines still speak Welsh at home.)

    South Africa has eleven official languages, and Unkulunkulu knows how many less-than-official dialects. ("A language is a dialect with an army and a navy.")

    https://qu301southafrica.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/salanguages.jpg

    Replies: @Crew Cut Man, @Sam Haysom

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Anonymous


    Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.
     
    Do numbers matter to you? Because numbers do matter, and you seem oblivious to them.

    America is polluted by Leftists, but there were still enough sane Americans to elect Trump in 2016. The same cannot be said for South African whites. Those SA whites need to emigrate as soon as possible, but their fate is not ours. We may succumb to some later tragedy, but it won't be Black South Africans visiting unjustice on our heads.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @anonymous
    @Anonymous

    For the future of the US to be South Africa, it needs to be about 85% black.

    Where are those blacks going to come from?

    Presently 13% of America is black. It is projected that in 2050, 13% of America is going to be black.

    About 50% of births in America are white, 25% Latino, and 7% mixed white and Latino (with this category set to grow eventually becoming the majority if you consider those 1/8 Latino to still be mixed).

    America is built on Anglo institutions, not Portuguese or Spanish ones.

    The future is better than Brazil but worse than present day America. The future of America is likely Northern Italy.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @duncsbaby, @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    South Africa is th extreme example I had in mind when I brought this up to Mark Krikorian.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1032355377013313537?s=21

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    The core problem with South Africa over the last quarter century seems to be a lack of acknowledgment of HBD and arithmetic by the government and its defenders in the West, which led to unrealistic expectations by its people.

    If you take HBD out of the picture, the only reason blacks were poorer than whites in South Africa was because of apartheid, and the only reason most of them, aside from the politically-connected black diamonds, are still poor is because the legacy of apartheid hasn't been fully remedied yet. Hence the latest proposed remedy.

    Basic arithmetic tells you that if you took the wealth of all of the South African whites and divided it among the other 91% of the country, the average South African wouldn't be as wealthy as the average white South African. What majority rule could and did do was create a black elite and a black middle class, and get rid of the humiliating de jure racial hierarchy of apartheid South Africa. What it couldn't do is offer more competent government or broader prosperity.

    The best part of Mandela's proscription against expropriation without fair compensation for South Africa is that it discouraged expropriation. Whether SA pays a fair price or not for the land it expropriates matters to the farm owners, but not to black South Africans. What will matter to them is that the new farm owners will likely be less competent than the current ones, leading to the downward spiral that happened in Zimbabwe.

    Replies: @Pheasant, @Samuel Skinner, @Anonymous, @NickG

    , @kissinger
    @Anonymous

    For Europe the future is definitely South Africa.

    I just cannot fathom why European elites truly seek to turn our continent into South Africa.

    Replies: @Samuel Skinner

    , @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.
     
    You are not God. No one besides Him knows the future.

    There is a weird, almost perverse, nightmarish sci-fi fantasy among some commenters here who dislike the present America so much that they imagine the worst possible, highly unlikely scenario. It’s like they almost want it to be that bad so that they can justify their own over-the-top pessimism and discontent (“I told you so; I said 25 years ago the country was FUBAR, because it was not to my liking”).

    Look, I am also unhappy about the direction of the country. I agree that there are many things that should be altered for the better. But South Africa? We are talking about a country with below average IQ whites, who in turn are only a small minority among a large super majority of highly uneducated, low IQ sub-Saharan Africans that have emerged from a serious internal conflict, including violent terrorism and authoritarian repression.

    Our future is not black. At worst, it will be beige.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Samuel Skinner, @TTSSYF, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    , @Stephen Paul Foster
    @Anonymous

    Exactly, see:


    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-exterminationist-left-happy-trails.html

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @George
    @Anonymous

    "Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty." It won't be ugly either.

    The US still has democratic and constitutional aspects. For example, while new immigrants are purposely second class citizens, their children are first class citizens.

    White, mostly Afrikaner, South Africans monopolized government jobs and pensions for decades, maybe a century. Majority rule in SA came as a shock for Afrikaners as Whites lost easy access to government jobs and pensions. This will probably happen in the US, but in the US the transition from white supremacist government to Asian/Hispanic supremacist government will be more evolutionary as the voters become more non white and more pain free.

    White supremacist governor of California Grey Davis enshrined white privilege in California by requiring the new Asian and Hispanic taxpayers to support greatly enhanced pensions and benefits for the last holdouts of White privilege namely government workers. During the transition from white to non white taxpayers the pension scheme was enhanced for the largely white government retirees but no attempt at requiring the still largely white taxpayers to fund it was made. So the responsibility for paying the aging whites pensions will fall to the current mostly Asian and Hispanic taxpayers.

    So far attempts for the current, non white, taxpayers to wriggle free of past obligations to white retirees has mostly consisted of defaults on some municipal debts, for example, in Vallejo Ca. I vaguely remember the largest victim of the Vallejo default being a subsidiary of a Japanese Bank.

    Something to watch: Joint Select Committee on Solvency of Multiemployer Pension Plans. While not exclusively white, this is not Apartheid SA, multiemployer plan retirees are mostly old white people. Their chance to get a lump sum bailout is slipping away as the country becomes less white. The multi employer retirees are vulnerable as they are old white private sector workers like teamsters. They are unsympathetic to me as they did little during their youth to ensure the prosperity of their offspring or even future 'brother' workers and seem to be demanding a bailout from elites largely on the basis that they went along with the program.

    Replies: @Seth Largo

    , @Mark P Miller
    @Anonymous

    But African American TFR is nowhere near subsaharan Africans. Plus AAs are less African than their cousins, on average, so that probably counts for something.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Brazil is more likely. We’re being overrun by Mestizos.

  2. This is all leading up to native american reparations for the entirety of U.S. territory.

    • Replies: @Crew Cut Man
    @Anonymous

    They already get reparations. But they will remain an afterthought in power relations in this country.

    , @The Alarmist
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, right. The New Majority will finish the job the Old Majority left unfinished before they pay any reparations to the Indigenous Americans.

    , @ben tillman
    @Anonymous


    This is all leading up to native american reparations for the entirety of U.S. territory.
     
    No, it's not. The Indians must be ignored because the Left claims the same territory.
  3. This is all leading up to Native American reparations for the entire U.S. territory.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @Anonymous


    This is all leading up to Native American reparations for the entire U.S. territory.
     
    Doubt it. Native Americans are long forgotten. Everything is about blacks and other third worlders. If this were really about giving the Native Americans back their land or giving them reparations, the last thing one would do is invite the rest of the world to come here and squat and take from the till that could have gone to the Native Americans.

    I wonder how the bulk of Native Americans feel towards this new, larger invasion of the Americas. If they had any hope of someday getting their land back from whites, they must know it will never happen now. I'd love to see Natives publicly complain and demand that they be involved in the decision about who can come here. After all we are told it is their land, but no one consults them on the newcomers. Instead they consult the giant green statue which has nothing to do with Native Americans.

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins, @Anonymous

  4. The plan is to take everything from deplorables. Bezos certainly won’t be paying. The sucker is Whitey.

  5. Well, at least it’s still the super successful model for all future black-led peaceful and prosperous states/political units we were promised in the ‘80s by the Lefties. Or am I confusing South Africa with Detroit? Or maybe Baltimore?

  6. When you read about something like drowning a kid in boiling water, then the perps laughing on the way to the bench… It seems like some Hate might be involved.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/9430173/South-African-12-year-old-drowned-in-boiling-water-after-seeing-parents-killed.html

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @benjaminl

    I can't even fathom the ignorant hate that ungirded apartheid. Imagine the senseless bigotry of not wanting this sort of thing happening to your family or in your neighborhood. I can't even.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Crew Cut Man
    @benjaminl

    Nothing about this in U.S. media. Unlike some other drowned kid I seem to recall monopolizing attention for weeks.

  7. I have yet to see a statistic and couldn’t find much in a quick search, but how many successful black farmers are there in South Africa now?

  8. @Anonymous
    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it's not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Dave Pinsen, @kissinger, @Twinkie, @Stephen Paul Foster, @George, @Mark P Miller, @Anonymous

    I believe that our future is actually Malaysia, where a mercantile minority keeps society going and is allowed to continue to mostly exist at the cost of paying for the unproductive majority and constantly kissing the ring with humiliation rituals like having to celebrate Muslim holidays.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Anonymous

    Yeah because we're like Malays in relation to the Chinese. We Whites are conquerors, inventors, settlers and governors, not a bunch of people acclimatised to picking tropical fruits.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    , @Desiderius
    @Anonymous

    Uh, we were there in roughly 1980. They weren’t a majority yet, but everyone knew whose ass to kiss.

    I spent untold hours in college in the 80s volunteering in the projects and black elementary schools. It was how I proved to myself that I was a good person.

    I was wrong on both counts. My sons will make different mistakes.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Anonymous

    Nonsense! The 21st century variant of your people the self discipline and quite frankly steel of the Chinese.

  9. What are we supposed to say that hasn’t already been said by ourselves or our fathers? How long are we supposed to play along with Conservatism Inc.? How long are we supposed to accept the Wall Street and City of London narrative and turn a blind eye to the dispossession and slaughter of our own people just because the Conrad Black and Rupert Murdoch types have bigger fish to fry? Fuck them all, I’m not going to dance inside their painted lines anymore.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    @Cagey Beast

    When is the last time you’ve read something by Conrad Black?

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Cagey Beast


    Conrad Black
     
    Conrad Black? I have seen the idiotic haters of Sarah Palin, the imbeciles that still want us to vote Democrat, and the kum-by-ya morons like Corvinus. But hating on Conrad Black? What's next? Hating on Johnny Appleseed or Florence Nightingale?

    Really?

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

  10. @Anonymous
    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it's not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Dave Pinsen, @kissinger, @Twinkie, @Stephen Paul Foster, @George, @Mark P Miller, @Anonymous

    Argentina is fine. Brazil is a mess (over 55% black).

    South Africa is gone.

    (((Adam Serwer))) is a black/Jew. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/nation-of-islam/555332/

    He wants Brazil/South Africa as our future.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @attilathehen

    The funny thing about Brazil is that it’s lurching to the right especially among whites so much so that the monarchist movement there is fairly robust there.


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-plan-to-fix-brazils-royal-mess-restore-the-monarchy-1466187675

    Replies: @attilathehen

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @attilathehen


    Argentina is fine.
     
    True, but your Spanish should be middling or better.

    Neighboring Chile is actually quite good...there are areas of Santiago that are quite European!
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @attilathehen


    (((Adam Serwer))) is a black/Jew.
     
    In other words, he is 0% American.

    He has to go back.

    Now.
    , @Redneck farmer
    @attilathehen

    Do you happen to know if the Cossacks stole Serwer's great-grandfather's land?

    , @Anonymous
    @attilathehen


    Argentina is fine.
     
    Sure it is. It was fine, before it was flooded by amerindians. That was then.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-91169/President-resigns-riots-leave-22-dead-Argentina.html

    Replies: @Anonymous

  11. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I believe that our future is actually Malaysia, where a mercantile minority keeps society going and is allowed to continue to mostly exist at the cost of paying for the unproductive majority and constantly kissing the ring with humiliation rituals like having to celebrate Muslim holidays.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Desiderius, @Nigerian Nationalist

    Yeah because we’re like Malays in relation to the Chinese. We Whites are conquerors, inventors, settlers and governors, not a bunch of people acclimatised to picking tropical fruits.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    Can you possibly defend yourself without insulting a good and innocent people?

    Not a good look.

    Replies: @Lowe

    , @Anonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    I think you misunderstood the analogy.

    In future America, whites, northeast Asians, and Brahmins will collectively be like the Chinese of present-day Malaysia. All the rest of the population will be like the Malays of present day Malaysia.

  12. @Anonymous
    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it's not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Dave Pinsen, @kissinger, @Twinkie, @Stephen Paul Foster, @George, @Mark P Miller, @Anonymous

    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.

    Brazil and Argentina are quite monolingual, far more so than the US. (A few Argentines still speak Welsh at home.)

    South Africa has eleven official languages, and Unkulunkulu knows how many less-than-official dialects. (“A language is a dialect with an army and a navy.”)

    • Replies: @Crew Cut Man
    @Reg Cæsar

    We should be so lucky to have our country divide up like that.

    Replies: @PaulS

    , @Sam Haysom
    @Reg Cæsar

    That’s an amazingly counterfactual bon mot.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  13. @benjaminl
    When you read about something like drowning a kid in boiling water, then the perps laughing on the way to the bench... It seems like some Hate might be involved.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/9430173/South-African-12-year-old-drowned-in-boiling-water-after-seeing-parents-killed.html

    Replies: @L Woods, @Crew Cut Man

    I can’t even fathom the ignorant hate that ungirded apartheid. Imagine the senseless bigotry of not wanting this sort of thing happening to your family or in your neighborhood. I can’t even.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @L Woods

    I saw the URL for the article and couldn't get myself to read it right now. It tells me the parents died first. Were I a living parent having seen this, I would have started the war right then - my own personal war, as far as I could go with it.

  14. I predict that the dull, technocratic way this whole story is being reported is going to be the occasion for another round of red pilling. Seriously, I was reading a news report earlier that blandly explained that there’s no story here, no big deal, because everything is being done “legally,” by the book.

    Look, Zimbabwe/Rhodesia was pretty easy to sweep under the rug, because who the hell has ever heard of Zimbabdesia or whatever. But South Africa is a big, important country with huge media visibility. If government engineered anti-white pogroms send the place into a nosedive, that will be very hard to hide. And somehow I don’t think the standard leftist line — that all these people had it coming for having the temerity to be white and live in South Africa — is going to win over a lot of people watching the whole thing from afar.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Mr. Blank

    For the life of me I can't figure out why they haven't kept that place in order of for no other reason than to deprive the Right of the opportunity to say I told you so.

    , @Crew Cut Man
    @Mr. Blank

    It will be a death by a thousand cuts.
    Nothing so dramatic as to demand attention.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Ball Kin
    @Mr. Blank

    Tucker will show a vitriolic anti-white speech by Malema. Trump will tweet about it. This will almost certainly happen soon. How will the leftist media respond?

    , @anon
    @Mr. Blank

    "If government engineered anti-white pogroms send the place into a nosedive, that will be very hard to hide. "

    The nosedive will be very brief. The Chinese will help their Black brothers in their struggle...and harvest South Africa's minerals.

    , @Anonymous
    @Mr. Blank

    This is naive. We've been here before, half a dozen times before in living memory, beginning with the Congo massacres of the early 1960s. Nobody cares what happens to whites in Africa. Not then, not now.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @ben tillman
    @Mr. Blank


    If government engineered anti-white pogroms send the place into a nosedive, that will be very hard to hide.
     
    No, it won't. The Left can hide anything from the brainwashed majority.
    , @MBlanc46
    @Mr. Blank

    The corporate media will, of course, bury the story to the extent that they can, and spin what they can’t bury. And a great many Joes and Janes pay little attention to international, or even national, news. But, yes, this series of events will awaken a few more of us to the future that our masters have in store for us.

  15. Adam Sewer probably thinks he’s entitled to keeping those things in which he owns, but I’ve got news for him, I’m borrowing his breadmaker and never giving it back. Take that, buddy!

  16. @Mr. Blank
    I predict that the dull, technocratic way this whole story is being reported is going to be the occasion for another round of red pilling. Seriously, I was reading a news report earlier that blandly explained that there's no story here, no big deal, because everything is being done "legally," by the book.

    Look, Zimbabwe/Rhodesia was pretty easy to sweep under the rug, because who the hell has ever heard of Zimbabdesia or whatever. But South Africa is a big, important country with huge media visibility. If government engineered anti-white pogroms send the place into a nosedive, that will be very hard to hide. And somehow I don't think the standard leftist line — that all these people had it coming for having the temerity to be white and live in South Africa — is going to win over a lot of people watching the whole thing from afar.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Crew Cut Man, @Ball Kin, @anon, @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @MBlanc46

    For the life of me I can’t figure out why they haven’t kept that place in order of for no other reason than to deprive the Right of the opportunity to say I told you so.

  17. My father told me that in staff college they taught him that an orderly retreat can be used to “trade geography for time”. Whitey is running out of both geography and time.

  18. I’ll reiterate that Serwer wants Bosnia-like diversity in America despite his dad working as a diplomat in Bosnia and seeing how it ends up.

    Perhaps Serwer would also like to see the Serbs re-appropriate their stolen Kosovo.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Ball Kin

    Perhaps Serwer would also like to see the Serbs re-appropriate their stolen Kosovo.

    If Serbs were ever a plurality in Kosovo, it was 4 or 5 generations back.

  19. Keep in mind, my Anglospherical brothers, that the same Harold Macmillan who brought us the “Winds Of Change” speech also gave us Operation Keelhaul: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Keelhaul

    Selling out the petits Blancs just comes naturally to some people. It doesn’t matter if you’re a Cossack or a Rhodesian, you just don’t belong to the right people’s social circle. Sorry!

  20. @Anonymous
    This is all leading up to native american reparations for the entirety of U.S. territory.

    Replies: @Crew Cut Man, @The Alarmist, @ben tillman

    They already get reparations. But they will remain an afterthought in power relations in this country.

  21. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.
     

    Brazil and Argentina are quite monolingual, far more so than the US. (A few Argentines still speak Welsh at home.)

    South Africa has eleven official languages, and Unkulunkulu knows how many less-than-official dialects. ("A language is a dialect with an army and a navy.")

    https://qu301southafrica.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/salanguages.jpg

    Replies: @Crew Cut Man, @Sam Haysom

    We should be so lucky to have our country divide up like that.

    • Replies: @PaulS
    @Crew Cut Man

    The end of Apartheid actually partitioned the country into a collection of language based enthno states.

    The problem for the Boers is that they were left stranded outside of the Afrikaans dominated Western and Northern Cape provinces.

    Julius Malema is from Limpopo province where Boers are such a minority that their language is not even recognised and hence make a soft target.

    On the other hand the South African wine industry is based in the Western Cape 1000 miles away and enjoys the protection of a powerful local authority.

  22. @benjaminl
    When you read about something like drowning a kid in boiling water, then the perps laughing on the way to the bench... It seems like some Hate might be involved.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/9430173/South-African-12-year-old-drowned-in-boiling-water-after-seeing-parents-killed.html

    Replies: @L Woods, @Crew Cut Man

    Nothing about this in U.S. media. Unlike some other drowned kid I seem to recall monopolizing attention for weeks.

  23. @Mr. Blank
    I predict that the dull, technocratic way this whole story is being reported is going to be the occasion for another round of red pilling. Seriously, I was reading a news report earlier that blandly explained that there's no story here, no big deal, because everything is being done "legally," by the book.

    Look, Zimbabwe/Rhodesia was pretty easy to sweep under the rug, because who the hell has ever heard of Zimbabdesia or whatever. But South Africa is a big, important country with huge media visibility. If government engineered anti-white pogroms send the place into a nosedive, that will be very hard to hide. And somehow I don't think the standard leftist line — that all these people had it coming for having the temerity to be white and live in South Africa — is going to win over a lot of people watching the whole thing from afar.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Crew Cut Man, @Ball Kin, @anon, @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @MBlanc46

    It will be a death by a thousand cuts.
    Nothing so dramatic as to demand attention.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Crew Cut Man


    It will be a death by a thousand cuts.
    Nothing so dramatic as to demand attention.
     
    We are already 100 cuts into that death.
  24. @Cagey Beast
    What are we supposed to say that hasn't already been said by ourselves or our fathers? How long are we supposed to play along with Conservatism Inc.? How long are we supposed to accept the Wall Street and City of London narrative and turn a blind eye to the dispossession and slaughter of our own people just because the Conrad Black and Rupert Murdoch types have bigger fish to fry? Fuck them all, I'm not going to dance inside their painted lines anymore.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    When is the last time you’ve read something by Conrad Black?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Sam Haysom

    I'm Canadian; he still exists in my reality, unfortunately.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom

  25. • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/westland_will/status/1032700935301029889

    Replies: @Barnard, @eah

  26. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:

    The Economic Freedom Fighters are populists and nationalists who want to nationalize property or redistribute it to the nation. Not any different than, say, what the Eastern Europeans did with the property of the Volga Germans in Eastern Europe. Nor with what the alt-right and white nationalists want to do. The alt-right and white nationalists support and wish to implement the same sort of policies once in power, but they’re opposed to such policies in South Africa because they’re white supremacists.

    • Replies: @Mike P.
    @Anonymous

    Would those countries then require a bailout? Because we presently give South Africa ~$600 million annually in aid. No doubt they'll need more after all the whites leave.

    Replies: @Simply Simon

    , @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    EFF are all very nice and photogenic, and they are also powerless and irrelevant, never making a move without Ranaphosa's approval. Ramaphosa himself has said in his own words, publicly and repeatedly for months, that he wants appropriation.
    I would agree that getting too focused on EFF leader Julius Malema (who recently said he was willing to die to effect appropriation) is distracting, except that Malema is just bombastically (but, fundamentally, accurately) forecasting Ramaphosa a few months from now.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @BenKenobi
    @Anonymous

    Well, duh.

  27. @eah
    https://s26.postimg.cc/8lpnuorq1/wealth_gap.png

    Replies: @eah

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @eah

    It won't be exactly the same. There aren't any American blacks who want to move to the rural midwest and great plains and operate farms. They are going to want the wealth of coastal liberals.

    , @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/TOOEdit/status/1032661244547751936

  28. @Mr. Blank
    I predict that the dull, technocratic way this whole story is being reported is going to be the occasion for another round of red pilling. Seriously, I was reading a news report earlier that blandly explained that there's no story here, no big deal, because everything is being done "legally," by the book.

    Look, Zimbabwe/Rhodesia was pretty easy to sweep under the rug, because who the hell has ever heard of Zimbabdesia or whatever. But South Africa is a big, important country with huge media visibility. If government engineered anti-white pogroms send the place into a nosedive, that will be very hard to hide. And somehow I don't think the standard leftist line — that all these people had it coming for having the temerity to be white and live in South Africa — is going to win over a lot of people watching the whole thing from afar.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Crew Cut Man, @Ball Kin, @anon, @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @MBlanc46

    Tucker will show a vitriolic anti-white speech by Malema. Trump will tweet about it. This will almost certainly happen soon. How will the leftist media respond?

  29. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.
     

    Brazil and Argentina are quite monolingual, far more so than the US. (A few Argentines still speak Welsh at home.)

    South Africa has eleven official languages, and Unkulunkulu knows how many less-than-official dialects. ("A language is a dialect with an army and a navy.")

    https://qu301southafrica.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/salanguages.jpg

    Replies: @Crew Cut Man, @Sam Haysom

    That’s an amazingly counterfactual bon mot.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Sam Haysom


    That’s an amazingly counterfactual bon mot.
     
    If you have counterexamples to counter my counterfact, please put them on the counter, where we can counterbalance, counteract, or countermand them, if necessary.

    We're counting on you. Otherwise, don't show your countenance around here, lest it be seen as counterfeit.

  30. @Sam Haysom
    @Cagey Beast

    When is the last time you’ve read something by Conrad Black?

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    I’m Canadian; he still exists in my reality, unfortunately.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    @Cagey Beast

    Black is pretty right wing post-prison.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

  31. Questions to ask Democrats on camera

    1. Do you condemn the South African government confiscating White-owned farmland?

    2. If not, would you support the United States government doing the same and confiscating White-owned farmland?

    3. If not, why not?

    • Agree: Crew Cut Man
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @27 year old

    Sorry son, that’s not your place.

    Your kind get to answer the questions, not ask them.

    , @istevefan
    @27 year old

    Very good questions. They need to be forced to answer those questions. After all the USA is a settler nation just like old SA was. The US government divvied out land to Europeans to homestead. The US put Indians on reservations. How is that much different that what happened in South Africa? If you support it in South Africa, you must support it in the USA,unless of course you are a hypocrite.

    I'd really like to see the likes of Schumer and Pelosi have to answer this question.

    On the other side of the debate, one could argue that since we do not support taking land away from European Americans, we cannot support taking land away from the Boers. I think most Americans would see that is the logical position if they don't intend on giving their land back to the Natives.

    Replies: @27 year old

    , @TheBoom
    @27 year old

    Those are exactly the types of questions that the Republicans should ask Democrats but they are too worried that the press will call them white supremacists for doing so.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Rosie
    @27 year old


    Questions to ask Democrats on camera

    1. Do you condemn the South African government confiscating White-owned farmland?

    2. If not, would you support the United States government doing the same and confiscating White-owned farmland?
     
    To find out who rules over you, ask who may ask questions of whom, when, where, and how.
  32. Ha! South Africa will get land reform good and hard.

  33. There seems to be a pattern to the people celebrating the murder of whites. I just can’t put my finger on it. Oh well, maybe there’s some sportsball on tonight….

  34. Ironically as light as Adam is he’s be considered Coloured in SA and evidently coloureds aren’t big fans of blacks and post-apartheid South Africa.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Ed

    The Coloured population speaks Afrikaans at home and their ancestry is only about 30% Bantu (with the largest element Khoi-San). Fifty years ago, a researcher from the American Universities Field Staff offered that they were the one population in South Africa who would day 'we belong to South Africa' rather than 'South Africa belongs to us'. They've never had a particular affinity for the Bantu population, and tended to favor the Cape Afrikaner population (at least until their communities in Cape Town were demolished per the Group Areas Act).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PaulS

  35. istevefan says:
    @Anonymous
    This is all leading up to Native American reparations for the entire U.S. territory.

    Replies: @istevefan

    This is all leading up to Native American reparations for the entire U.S. territory.

    Doubt it. Native Americans are long forgotten. Everything is about blacks and other third worlders. If this were really about giving the Native Americans back their land or giving them reparations, the last thing one would do is invite the rest of the world to come here and squat and take from the till that could have gone to the Native Americans.

    I wonder how the bulk of Native Americans feel towards this new, larger invasion of the Americas. If they had any hope of someday getting their land back from whites, they must know it will never happen now. I’d love to see Natives publicly complain and demand that they be involved in the decision about who can come here. After all we are told it is their land, but no one consults them on the newcomers. Instead they consult the giant green statue which has nothing to do with Native Americans.

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    @istevefan

    In Canada there are more natives and they have more exposure and political weight but they're also being shunted aside in favour of the shiny new things; blacks and Moslems.

    , @Anonymous
    @istevefan

    Most of the people coming across the Mexican border are Native Americans.

    History is long and the red man will have the last laugh.

    Replies: @istevefan

  36. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I believe that our future is actually Malaysia, where a mercantile minority keeps society going and is allowed to continue to mostly exist at the cost of paying for the unproductive majority and constantly kissing the ring with humiliation rituals like having to celebrate Muslim holidays.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Desiderius, @Nigerian Nationalist

    Uh, we were there in roughly 1980. They weren’t a majority yet, but everyone knew whose ass to kiss.

    I spent untold hours in college in the 80s volunteering in the projects and black elementary schools. It was how I proved to myself that I was a good person.

    I was wrong on both counts. My sons will make different mistakes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Desiderius


    Uh, we were there in roughly 1980. They weren’t a majority yet, but everyone knew whose ass to kiss.
     
    Who is "they"? Blacks aren't a majority.

    What were the two counts you were wrong about?

    Replies: @bomag, @Desiderius, @TTSSYF

  37. Chart: African mining sites in two varieties, “already Chinese” and “not yet Chinese.”
    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/183268379#p183278590
    There’s an argument against letting Saffers come here because obviously China is going to move right in, it already depends on SA for several metals.

  38. @Mr. Blank
    I predict that the dull, technocratic way this whole story is being reported is going to be the occasion for another round of red pilling. Seriously, I was reading a news report earlier that blandly explained that there's no story here, no big deal, because everything is being done "legally," by the book.

    Look, Zimbabwe/Rhodesia was pretty easy to sweep under the rug, because who the hell has ever heard of Zimbabdesia or whatever. But South Africa is a big, important country with huge media visibility. If government engineered anti-white pogroms send the place into a nosedive, that will be very hard to hide. And somehow I don't think the standard leftist line — that all these people had it coming for having the temerity to be white and live in South Africa — is going to win over a lot of people watching the whole thing from afar.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Crew Cut Man, @Ball Kin, @anon, @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @MBlanc46

    “If government engineered anti-white pogroms send the place into a nosedive, that will be very hard to hide. ”

    The nosedive will be very brief. The Chinese will help their Black brothers in their struggle…and harvest South Africa’s minerals.

  39. @Cagey Beast
    @Sam Haysom

    I'm Canadian; he still exists in my reality, unfortunately.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom

    Black is pretty right wing post-prison.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Sam Haysom

    He's still a globalist with a Judeocentric worldview. In other words, he's yet another Conservatism Inc. fence-post.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  40. @27 year old
    Questions to ask Democrats on camera


    1. Do you condemn the South African government confiscating White-owned farmland?

    2. If not, would you support the United States government doing the same and confiscating White-owned farmland?

    3. If not, why not?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @istevefan, @TheBoom, @Rosie

    Sorry son, that’s not your place.

    Your kind get to answer the questions, not ask them.

  41. @attilathehen
    @Anonymous

    Argentina is fine. Brazil is a mess (over 55% black).

    South Africa is gone.

    (((Adam Serwer))) is a black/Jew. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/nation-of-islam/555332/

    He wants Brazil/South Africa as our future.

    Replies: @Ed, @The Wild Geese Howard, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Redneck farmer, @Anonymous

    The funny thing about Brazil is that it’s lurching to the right especially among whites so much so that the monarchist movement there is fairly robust there.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-plan-to-fix-brazils-royal-mess-restore-the-monarchy-1466187675

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    @Ed

    It's a useless movement. Many white Brazilians are fleeing the country. Of course, they can't admit it's the black who are causing the problems. The only possible solution for the whites is to divide the country in half. Most of the blacks live in the north. They could build a wall.

  42. istevefan says:
    @27 year old
    Questions to ask Democrats on camera


    1. Do you condemn the South African government confiscating White-owned farmland?

    2. If not, would you support the United States government doing the same and confiscating White-owned farmland?

    3. If not, why not?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @istevefan, @TheBoom, @Rosie

    Very good questions. They need to be forced to answer those questions. After all the USA is a settler nation just like old SA was. The US government divvied out land to Europeans to homestead. The US put Indians on reservations. How is that much different that what happened in South Africa? If you support it in South Africa, you must support it in the USA,unless of course you are a hypocrite.

    I’d really like to see the likes of Schumer and Pelosi have to answer this question.

    On the other side of the debate, one could argue that since we do not support taking land away from European Americans, we cannot support taking land away from the Boers. I think most Americans would see that is the logical position if they don’t intend on giving their land back to the Natives.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    @istevefan


    I think most Americans would see that is the logical position if they don’t intend on giving their land back to the Natives.
     
    This should be such a slam dunk for GOP but of course lol

    “My opponent wants to seize your house and give it to somebody else”
  43. @Anonymous
    The Economic Freedom Fighters are populists and nationalists who want to nationalize property or redistribute it to the nation. Not any different than, say, what the Eastern Europeans did with the property of the Volga Germans in Eastern Europe. Nor with what the alt-right and white nationalists want to do. The alt-right and white nationalists support and wish to implement the same sort of policies once in power, but they're opposed to such policies in South Africa because they're white supremacists.

    Replies: @Mike P., @J.Ross, @BenKenobi

    Would those countries then require a bailout? Because we presently give South Africa ~$600 million annually in aid. No doubt they’ll need more after all the whites leave.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    @Mike P.

    Isn't it a bit ironic that half the $600 is borrowed? One of these days the lender nations are going to realize that Uncle Sam is giving away their money instead of paying them back.

    Replies: @Simply Simon

  44. I always thought this stuff would work its way into the mainstream like Roterham eventually did. Trump pushed the envelope here, as did Drudge. We’ll see how the media treat this in the coming months, could be a watershed for fake news.

    O/T: South Korea’s Little League World Series team has the tallest average height of any competing this year.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Anthony Wayne

    A little HGH in the sports drink? Better nutrition can account for some changes in height, but to blow past all other competitors in that regard... Also, any possibility that there have been some games played with the reported ages of the Korean competitors? Bears watching.

    , @Anon
    @Anthony Wayne

    What ages are the boys supposed to be? Assuming they are preteens, it was my observation growing up that the kids who ultimately attained shorter statures had earlier growth spurts and towered over many of their peers until everyone else matured. I remember my 1/4 Japanese friend being among the tallest girls in 4th grade, but I don't think she ended up much taller than 5'2" or 5'4". She also hit menarche earlier than the rest of us (and we were all average weight).

  45. @Sam Haysom
    @Cagey Beast

    Black is pretty right wing post-prison.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    He’s still a globalist with a Judeocentric worldview. In other words, he’s yet another Conservatism Inc. fence-post.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Cagey Beast

    He’s still a globalist with a Judeocentric worldview.

    I found a cute picture of you.


    https://www.google.com/search?q=kill+clouseau&client=firefox-b-1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi3u4f704TdAhVpmeAKHaO3DngQ_AUICygC&biw=1282&bih=671#imgdii=pvVfJLiPLXhtJM:&imgrc=LLRd2k5OQdh_-M:

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Mr. Anon

  46. @Ball Kin
    I'll reiterate that Serwer wants Bosnia-like diversity in America despite his dad working as a diplomat in Bosnia and seeing how it ends up.

    Perhaps Serwer would also like to see the Serbs re-appropriate their stolen Kosovo.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Perhaps Serwer would also like to see the Serbs re-appropriate their stolen Kosovo.

    If Serbs were ever a plurality in Kosovo, it was 4 or 5 generations back.

  47. @Anonymous
    The Economic Freedom Fighters are populists and nationalists who want to nationalize property or redistribute it to the nation. Not any different than, say, what the Eastern Europeans did with the property of the Volga Germans in Eastern Europe. Nor with what the alt-right and white nationalists want to do. The alt-right and white nationalists support and wish to implement the same sort of policies once in power, but they're opposed to such policies in South Africa because they're white supremacists.

    Replies: @Mike P., @J.Ross, @BenKenobi

    EFF are all very nice and photogenic, and they are also powerless and irrelevant, never making a move without Ranaphosa’s approval. Ramaphosa himself has said in his own words, publicly and repeatedly for months, that he wants appropriation.
    I would agree that getting too focused on EFF leader Julius Malema (who recently said he was willing to die to effect appropriation) is distracting, except that Malema is just bombastically (but, fundamentally, accurately) forecasting Ramaphosa a few months from now.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    Ramaphosa has a net worth of around a half billion dollars.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  48. @27 year old
    Questions to ask Democrats on camera


    1. Do you condemn the South African government confiscating White-owned farmland?

    2. If not, would you support the United States government doing the same and confiscating White-owned farmland?

    3. If not, why not?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @istevefan, @TheBoom, @Rosie

    Those are exactly the types of questions that the Republicans should ask Democrats but they are too worried that the press will call them white supremacists for doing so.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @TheBoom

    Where is this magical land where R’s get to ask Ds questions?

  49. @Cagey Beast
    @Anonymous

    Yeah because we're like Malays in relation to the Chinese. We Whites are conquerors, inventors, settlers and governors, not a bunch of people acclimatised to picking tropical fruits.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Can you possibly defend yourself without insulting a good and innocent people?

    Not a good look.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    @Anonymous

    Not a rebuttal.

  50. Speaking as someone with a personal interest in farming, I am confused about the rationale for land appropriation. Is there really some good reason to think that a bunch of peasants/urban layabouts are going to successfully run agricultural businesses, which is what farms today effectively are? Is there any reason to think that a reintroduction of peasant farming will feed millions of people, which is the purpose of farming? Isn’t the world urbanizing, and don’t SWJs think this is the best thing for us all because it confines us in one place and limits the damage to the environment? Are peasant farming practices truly environmentally friendly when practiced on a large scale? Yeah, I’m not waiting for answers. As I think iSteve once said, today South Africa, tomorrow Iowa.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @rational actor

    I was told that Arab rocketeers removed the gimbals to be able to add marginally more fuel and get a little more range, and I refused to believe it. It was too stupid to be true (and the guy speaking was not exactly an Edward Said fan). Later I was reading some military magazines, one of which was Pakistani, and realized that it was totally true. To add a couple of miles they gave up being able to properly steer the damn thing, and this was a regular practice (as in the "city war" phase of the Iran-Iraq conflict).
    That's the military equivalent of a socialist third world "back hole" seizing stuff that others have built or developed. They see the end quite clearly, even if their liberal cheerleaders cannot, and they have decided to deal with that end by feeding bits of locomotive into the same locomotive's furnace.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Pheasant, @Joe Stalin

    , @Unladen Swallow
    @rational actor

    It really makes no sense in an American context, because not many black people live in heavily agricultural areas, maybe a lot do in South Africa? Of course if South African urban areas are devolving into District 9 style blight, maybe that is why there is this desire to move out to the country.

    My guess is that the real reason is that agriculture is the last bastion of the Afrikaners, unlike industry or finance. Therefore it should be stolen regardless of whether there are any black people who can farm who will take their place. There is clearly no long term thinking underlying any of this.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @Simply Simon

    , @Pericles
    @rational actor


    Speaking as someone with a personal interest in farming, I am confused about the rationale for land appropriation. Is there really some good reason to think that a bunch of peasants/urban layabouts are going to successfully run agricultural businesses, which is what farms today effectively are?

     

    As we saw in Zimbabwe, they can't and they won't. But the purpose is not agricultural reform but to take the stuff of your enemies and give it to your allies.

    If things head south, as it were, there will always be Whitey V. Dumbass to bail everyone out afterwards. There is the infamous approach of privatizing the gains and socializing the losses, here we blackify the gains and whitify the losses.
  51. @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/westland_will/status/1032700935301029889

    Replies: @Barnard, @eah

    It won’t be exactly the same. There aren’t any American blacks who want to move to the rural midwest and great plains and operate farms. They are going to want the wealth of coastal liberals.

  52. @Desiderius
    @Anonymous

    Uh, we were there in roughly 1980. They weren’t a majority yet, but everyone knew whose ass to kiss.

    I spent untold hours in college in the 80s volunteering in the projects and black elementary schools. It was how I proved to myself that I was a good person.

    I was wrong on both counts. My sons will make different mistakes.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Uh, we were there in roughly 1980. They weren’t a majority yet, but everyone knew whose ass to kiss.

    Who is “they”? Blacks aren’t a majority.

    What were the two counts you were wrong about?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Anonymous


    Who is “they”? Blacks aren’t a majority.
     
    The extant population and their support group are pretty much a majority today.
    , @Desiderius
    @Anonymous

    (1) being a good person
    (2) that behavior being virtuous - it was vanity

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @TTSSYF
    @Anonymous

    (1) Spending an untold number of hours on what he later recognized was a futile endeavor.
    (2) Believing that spending an untold number of hours on what he thought at the time was a worthwhile endeavor made him a good person.

  53. @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    EFF are all very nice and photogenic, and they are also powerless and irrelevant, never making a move without Ranaphosa's approval. Ramaphosa himself has said in his own words, publicly and repeatedly for months, that he wants appropriation.
    I would agree that getting too focused on EFF leader Julius Malema (who recently said he was willing to die to effect appropriation) is distracting, except that Malema is just bombastically (but, fundamentally, accurately) forecasting Ramaphosa a few months from now.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Ramaphosa has a net worth of around a half billion dollars.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    And a solid reputation as a highly intelligent and competant administrator. That was an argument against the evidence of one's own eyes when he started appropriation talk: surely this guy is "one of us," surely he's sane, surely if he does it he won't go full Zimbabwean, surely he's just giving this idea lip service to pacify idiots like Malema.

    Replies: @SporadicMyrmidon, @Vendetta, @PaulS

  54. @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/westland_will/status/1032700935301029889

    Replies: @Barnard, @eah

  55. I’m kind of puzzled by Trump’s tweets on South Africa.

    He said he wants Pompeo to study what’s going on there with the farms being taken over by the government. But what does he have in mind here? What could we do about it?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @candid_observer

    Prevent it happening here?

    Steve can be ignored. Trump, so far, can’t.

    , @Anonymous
    @candid_observer

    Someone posted above that the United States gives South Africa $600 million every year.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @c matt

    , @L Woods
    @candid_observer

    What did we do about the Serbs and their (not) extermination camps?

    , @Mark P Miller
    @candid_observer

    e.g. fast track Boer emigration a la Russia and (hopefully) Australia.

  56. “On the other side of the debate, one could argue that since we do not support taking land away from European Americans, we cannot support taking land away from the Boers. I think most Americans would see that is the logical position if they don’t intend on giving their land back to the Natives.”

    Wait a second chief. Logic doesn’t have anything to do with this, or just about anything in the real world.

    Do you honestly think this kind of argument has any appeal or will resonate with anyone? Everyone pretty much just draws up battle lines on something like this based on ethnicity or cuck status.

    Tell ya what though. When every other tribe and group in the world makes a total commitment to the kind of moral calculus you present… then, and only then, will I personally see any credence in it.

    Personally though, I hope the Russians do open the floodgates to the Afrikaners. They need to leave that shithole and never look back. What possible upside is there to the place? What joy could you ever find living there?

    Five years from now that place will be FUBAR. Screw them. The best, most terrible punishment devisable by man is to leave them to their own devices. And if you are some kind of NGO employee, go do humanitarian efforts on your own dime, and die on your own dime.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Sunbeam

    And they need to destroy all the infrastructure they can on the way out. Water, Sewage, Electrical Grid, Bridges. It all must come down!

    , @Anon
    @Sunbeam


    Personally though, I hope the Russians do open the floodgates to the Afrikaners.
     
    A few years ago, Zuma appeared in parliament looking visibly sick. Rumors started swirling that he had AIDS, or that one of his wives poisoned him. He had an extended trip to Russia, and when he returned, he was cured, and maybe some of that famous kompromat was manufactured.

    A few months later, South Africa signed up for a 100 billion USD nuclear power program with Russia. Was it a quid quo pro for Zuma being cured, or was it blackmail? In order to ram the nuclear deal through, Zuma dismissed his finance minister, replacing him with an unknown quantity, before seeing the currency collapse overnight, and bringing back another old hand to steady the ship. Full confidence did not return, and the economy has been anemic, at best, which has ironically made the nuclear deal even more unaffordable, and unneeded, since electricity consumption has dropped.

    The rise of Ramaphosa killed prospects for the nuclear deal. Coincidentally, Russian media suddenly took an interest in the Boers.
  57. @TheBoom
    @27 year old

    Those are exactly the types of questions that the Republicans should ask Democrats but they are too worried that the press will call them white supremacists for doing so.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Where is this magical land where R’s get to ask Ds questions?

  58. @Ed
    Ironically as light as Adam is he’s be considered Coloured in SA and evidently coloureds aren’t big fans of blacks and post-apartheid South Africa.

    https://youtu.be/5jHqQh7hxgc

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The Coloured population speaks Afrikaans at home and their ancestry is only about 30% Bantu (with the largest element Khoi-San). Fifty years ago, a researcher from the American Universities Field Staff offered that they were the one population in South Africa who would day ‘we belong to South Africa’ rather than ‘South Africa belongs to us’. They’ve never had a particular affinity for the Bantu population, and tended to favor the Cape Afrikaner population (at least until their communities in Cape Town were demolished per the Group Areas Act).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Art Deco

    Some Malay descent too.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @hhsiii

    , @PaulS
    @Art Deco

    The Cape Coloured people used to vote for the United Party ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Party_(South_Africa) ) which was a mostly urban based coalition of English speakers and liberal Afrikaners that existed before Apartheid.

    The National party largely a party of conservative rural white Afrikaners that won elections due to the large number of rural voting districts. See here: www.fivethirtyeight.com/features/apartheid-was-helped-by-twisted/amp/

    Since the change from a constituency based system to proportional voting in 1994, the National party has gone extinct and the United Party has essentially returned as the Democratic Alliance and won back the Coloured vote.

    Rural Afrikaners have essentially no political representation, with the two most significant white politicians of the last 20 years both being urban Jews.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Leon
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Zille

  59. @candid_observer
    I'm kind of puzzled by Trump's tweets on South Africa.

    He said he wants Pompeo to study what's going on there with the farms being taken over by the government. But what does he have in mind here? What could we do about it?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous, @L Woods, @Mark P Miller

    Prevent it happening here?

    Steve can be ignored. Trump, so far, can’t.

  60. @candid_observer
    I'm kind of puzzled by Trump's tweets on South Africa.

    He said he wants Pompeo to study what's going on there with the farms being taken over by the government. But what does he have in mind here? What could we do about it?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous, @L Woods, @Mark P Miller

    Someone posted above that the United States gives South Africa $600 million every year.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    $508 million last year.

    https://explorer.usaid.gov/cd/ZAF?measure=Obligations&fiscal_year=2017

    That a country with the vast mineral wealth needs aid from the US is frightening. And instructive.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @c matt
    @Anonymous

    Aid, bribe . . . tomayto, tomahto.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  61. The Boers have been under attack from Good Whites ever since the Brits went down there and rounded up the women & children in concentration camps. Canadians helped the Brits, too.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Bragadocious

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Ten_Years_of_Toryism.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Cagey Beast
    @Bragadocious

    Quite right. If we Canadians, Brits, Australians and Kiwis could find the middle ground between Remembrance Day patriotism and fashionable ethno-masochism, we might be able to see and hear the Afrikaner story.

    The last Governor-General of South Africa spent part of his childhood in a British concentration camp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._R._Swart . That slice of truth is in the ultraviolet or infrared range for both patriotards and shitlibs. It means nothing to them.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Matra

  62. The Critical Take Away is that Trump last night did what Trump does. In response to the Manafort verdict and Cohen pleas, Trump posted a racially charged Tweet regarding South Africa that was destined to be the number one topic on Twitter and dominate the news coverage for the next 24 hours. Instead, there was an obviously coordinated campaign by social media platforms and traditional media to ignore Trump’s South Africa comment in order to keep the focus on Manafort and Cohen.

    Republicans better wake up and realize that after the Trump 2016 election social media is now just as controlled as the network news. Either Republicans take on the social media monopolies or they will be shut out of the elections.

    Only 24 hours later, the NY Times and NPR are addressing Trump’s attempt to “stroke racial tensions” in South Africa.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/08/23/641359721/south-africans-reject-trumps-characterization-of-land-ownership-issues

    • Agree: Rosie, NickG
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Clifford Brown


    Either Republicans take on the social media monopolies or they will be shut out of the elections.
     
    Time to deploy the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. Break them up and regulate their actions.
  63. @candid_observer
    I'm kind of puzzled by Trump's tweets on South Africa.

    He said he wants Pompeo to study what's going on there with the farms being taken over by the government. But what does he have in mind here? What could we do about it?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous, @L Woods, @Mark P Miller

    What did we do about the Serbs and their (not) extermination camps?

  64. @Cagey Beast
    @Sam Haysom

    He's still a globalist with a Judeocentric worldview. In other words, he's yet another Conservatism Inc. fence-post.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Art Deco

    Giggle, giggle. Yeah, you'd have to be a rubber room reject to think that a money and status obsessed guy -- who is married to a talented, beautiful, brilliant and supernaturally charming Jewess -- is as I described.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    Whadda ya' know. We found a picture of you:

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/mash/images/d/da/Frank.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120124054331

  65. @27 year old
    Questions to ask Democrats on camera


    1. Do you condemn the South African government confiscating White-owned farmland?

    2. If not, would you support the United States government doing the same and confiscating White-owned farmland?

    3. If not, why not?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @istevefan, @TheBoom, @Rosie

    Questions to ask Democrats on camera

    1. Do you condemn the South African government confiscating White-owned farmland?

    2. If not, would you support the United States government doing the same and confiscating White-owned farmland?

    To find out who rules over you, ask who may ask questions of whom, when, where, and how.

  66. @Art Deco
    @Ed

    The Coloured population speaks Afrikaans at home and their ancestry is only about 30% Bantu (with the largest element Khoi-San). Fifty years ago, a researcher from the American Universities Field Staff offered that they were the one population in South Africa who would day 'we belong to South Africa' rather than 'South Africa belongs to us'. They've never had a particular affinity for the Bantu population, and tended to favor the Cape Afrikaner population (at least until their communities in Cape Town were demolished per the Group Areas Act).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PaulS

    Some Malay descent too.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Steve Sailer


    Some Malay descent too.
     
    Cape Malay.

    Replies: @anon

    , @hhsiii
    @Steve Sailer

    In Mason & Dixon by Pynchon, they travel to cape of Good Hope to observe the Transit of Venus. There they find the Malays using a fish sauce called kat-yep or some such. Apparently originally from the Amoy dialect. Eventually evolving into ketchup.

    Also a long section on the disgusting smell of the fat from all the mutton. I guess ‘twas ever thus. Respec’ mah diversatah or you’ll be eating unadorned mutton all your days.

    Replies: @hhsiii

  67. Malays are Malays and Whites are Whites. It is our curse or blessing that we seem to be made to carry out different tasks.

  68. One of our aircraft carriers is greater than their whole military.

    Gunboat Diplomacy

  69. IQ and economy boosting immigration plan:

    Boer migration to the USA: Wet foot dry food policy we have with Cuba. “If you can get out, you can stay here.”

    Ukrainians: Anyone with a high school education, no serious diseases or other obvious signs of being a public charge. Past Ukrainian migration to the USA and Canada has been a huge success.

    Poland and Baltics: as many as want to come who meet the basic test above. The likely number who’d want to come is about 3-5 million as an upper limit.

    Japan: Highest IQ nation in the world. Probably the least socially dysfunctional too. The small number of Japanese who want to migrate to the USA are already welcomed. Nonetheless, we should check to see how we can make it easier.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Lot

    I agree with all this (but would allow in the diseased Ukrainians).

    , @Anon
    @Lot

    None of those countries has a TFR above replacement level. Ryan Faulk's data appears to indicate that European immigrants don't favor the Republicans. The only OECD country that has a TFR above replacement is Israel, I don't even think Utah LDS are above 2.1 anymore.

    The tendency of industrial societies is to reduce fertility and increase feminism, while needing an ever growing base of consumers. The problem is free market fundamentalism. Eastern European governments routinely get complaints of "labor shortages" and in response are considering the importation of Southeast Asians.

    A better policy would be to abolish feminism, create tax incentives for the middle class to have children, and remove incentives for immigrants to come to the Western countries by encouraging the development of the Third World.

    Replies: @Lot, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Dennis
    @Lot

    Ukranians are like Albanians culturally.

    Replies: @Lot, @J.Ross

  70. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    Ramaphosa has a net worth of around a half billion dollars.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    And a solid reputation as a highly intelligent and competant administrator. That was an argument against the evidence of one’s own eyes when he started appropriation talk: surely this guy is “one of us,” surely he’s sane, surely if he does it he won’t go full Zimbabwean, surely he’s just giving this idea lip service to pacify idiots like Malema.

    • Replies: @SporadicMyrmidon
    @J.Ross

    That is exactly what I thought (and I think I said as much here earlier as Anonymous). What gives? What is he doing? Is he trying for a narrow path where he somehow doesn't go full Zimbabwe because the Anglo-SJW-Jewish SA whites stick with him for the short term and the world financial community doesn't panic? My understanding is that he was somehow "picked" to be a very rich black and given windfall deals to keep him in line. But I presume he is astute enough to understand this and to grasp that Malema can destroy him. But I really didn't think he would get this going, so I've gotten something wrong.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Vendetta
    @J.Ross

    If you look into the background of Robert Mugabe you will also find that he was considered to be intelligent, studious, diligent. He put off action against the white farmers for many years until popular pressure had become too much to resist and he needed something to shore up his own declining popularity.

    Ramaphosa may think he is smarter than Mugabe and has the benefit of hindsight, and therefore things will somehow turn out differently for him. And things may indeed be a literal different for him, or may have been if Trump hadn’t just decided to break the party line on South Africa.

    Robert Mugabe was on the West’s naughty list to begin with. He was outspokenly anti-colonialist, aligned with the Soviet Union during the Cold War and then - for a time - was one of the most welcoming leaders in Africa to Chinese and North Korean influence.

    South Africa’s government is not on the naughty list. They’re on the nice list. They’re a democracy, not a regime. Compare what the US had to say about how the Iraqis managed to take back Mosul to what it had to say about the Syrians retaking Aleppo.

    Zimbabwe’s hyperinflation and economic collapse game about as a result of panicked withdrawal of Western investment and economic aid - which came about as a result of honest reporting on what Mugabe’s government was doing.

    If on the other hand Ramaphosa’s government was able to carry out its confiscations while ‘international opinion’ and the ‘free press’ remained obligingly silent on the matter, then perhaps they could get away with it without any immediate economic shock. Production would of course plummet in the months and years to come, but perhaps the ANC reckon that’s a price worth paying if it buys them another 20 years of one-party rule. South Africa is not quite like Rhodesia anyway, where agriculture was the lifeblood of the economy. In South Africa, that’s mining.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @PaulS
    @J.Ross

    South Africa has one of the most financialised economies in the world with finance making up 20% of gdp. The Johannesburg stock exchange has a market capitalisation of $1 trillion, just behind Sydney and ahead of Madrid and Taiwan. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stock_exchanges)

    Most corporate profits are generated outside of the country. Mostly supermarkets, cellular networks, and satellite tv as well as alcohol and tobacco, which operate across Africa.

    In fact the end of Apartheid was driven by corporate interests. Faced with the decline of South Africa's labour intensive deep level mines, which peaked in the 70s and then couldn't compete with modern mechanised mines in places like Australia, they pushed for the end of the system, which would allow them to pursue new sources of profits.

    Argiculture contributes less than 5% of South Africa's gdp, but land ownership is of immense symbolic value to black people. The ANC have had the power to expropriate land since 1994 but haven't pursued it since they were far more interested in cushy government jobs and 'black empowerment deals'. Ramaphosa himself owns the South African franchise of McDonalds. Selling fries is much easier and far more profitable than farming potatoes.

    Now that the ANC are facing a real threat in the 2019 elections, they need a populist policy to win the votes of the impoverished rural masses. Expect a few marginal family farms or some state owned land to be redistributed, but I highly doubt any corporate interests will be harmed by this policy. Mr Ramaphosa's $500 million portfolio depends on it.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  71. @Art Deco
    @Cagey Beast

    He’s still a globalist with a Judeocentric worldview.

    I found a cute picture of you.


    https://www.google.com/search?q=kill+clouseau&client=firefox-b-1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi3u4f704TdAhVpmeAKHaO3DngQ_AUICygC&biw=1282&bih=671#imgdii=pvVfJLiPLXhtJM:&imgrc=LLRd2k5OQdh_-M:

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Mr. Anon

    Giggle, giggle. Yeah, you’d have to be a rubber room reject to think that a money and status obsessed guy — who is married to a talented, beautiful, brilliant and supernaturally charming Jewess — is as I described.

  72. @Bragadocious
    The Boers have been under attack from Good Whites ever since the Brits went down there and rounded up the women & children in concentration camps. Canadians helped the Brits, too.

    Replies: @Anon, @Cagey Beast

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Is that figure in the middle supposed to be Jewish? Why would the liberals be making a jibe against Jews?

  73. Yes, I’m watching South Africa with growing apprehensiveness. Remember that the notorious RBG often cites the constitution of South Africa quite glowingly. South Africa is what the Left wants to be, because the Left really is about being pro-black without question.

    Also I’m noticing how the pundits fall out on this issue. Interesting to see the analysis and so forth.

  74. @Lot
    IQ and economy boosting immigration plan:

    Boer migration to the USA: Wet foot dry food policy we have with Cuba. "If you can get out, you can stay here."

    Ukrainians: Anyone with a high school education, no serious diseases or other obvious signs of being a public charge. Past Ukrainian migration to the USA and Canada has been a huge success.

    Poland and Baltics: as many as want to come who meet the basic test above. The likely number who'd want to come is about 3-5 million as an upper limit.

    Japan: Highest IQ nation in the world. Probably the least socially dysfunctional too. The small number of Japanese who want to migrate to the USA are already welcomed. Nonetheless, we should check to see how we can make it easier.

    http://polish.study-time.org/clothes-polish-vocabulary/polish-traditional-clothes4.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Anon, @Dennis

    I agree with all this (but would allow in the diseased Ukrainians).

  75. @Anonymous
    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it's not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Dave Pinsen, @kissinger, @Twinkie, @Stephen Paul Foster, @George, @Mark P Miller, @Anonymous

    Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.

    Do numbers matter to you? Because numbers do matter, and you seem oblivious to them.

    America is polluted by Leftists, but there were still enough sane Americans to elect Trump in 2016. The same cannot be said for South African whites. Those SA whites need to emigrate as soon as possible, but their fate is not ours. We may succumb to some later tragedy, but it won’t be Black South Africans visiting unjustice on our heads.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Charles Erwin Wilson


    Those SA whites need to emigrate as soon as possible, but their fate is not ours.
     
    They need to stay and fight to hold onto their land. God isn't making any more of it.

    Replies: @Crew Cut Man

  76. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    IQ and economy boosting immigration plan:

    Boer migration to the USA: Wet foot dry food policy we have with Cuba. "If you can get out, you can stay here."

    Ukrainians: Anyone with a high school education, no serious diseases or other obvious signs of being a public charge. Past Ukrainian migration to the USA and Canada has been a huge success.

    Poland and Baltics: as many as want to come who meet the basic test above. The likely number who'd want to come is about 3-5 million as an upper limit.

    Japan: Highest IQ nation in the world. Probably the least socially dysfunctional too. The small number of Japanese who want to migrate to the USA are already welcomed. Nonetheless, we should check to see how we can make it easier.

    http://polish.study-time.org/clothes-polish-vocabulary/polish-traditional-clothes4.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Anon, @Dennis

    None of those countries has a TFR above replacement level. Ryan Faulk’s data appears to indicate that European immigrants don’t favor the Republicans. The only OECD country that has a TFR above replacement is Israel, I don’t even think Utah LDS are above 2.1 anymore.

    The tendency of industrial societies is to reduce fertility and increase feminism, while needing an ever growing base of consumers. The problem is free market fundamentalism. Eastern European governments routinely get complaints of “labor shortages” and in response are considering the importation of Southeast Asians.

    A better policy would be to abolish feminism, create tax incentives for the middle class to have children, and remove incentives for immigrants to come to the Western countries by encouraging the development of the Third World.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Anon

    Low birth rates are a problem, but I am talking but things Trump can do today.

    I am pretty sure these migrants will have higher fertility than if they stayed home, and may boost the local birth rates back in their homelands with remittances, lower labor supply and thus higher wages.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    The problem is free market fundamentalism.
     
    No welfare state is a free market, and no Western country lacks a welfare state. Moving to a country with a "safety net" offers a qualitatively different incentive than does moving to one without.

    So, yes, it's fundamentalism. But there's nothing "free market" about it.
  77. @Bragadocious
    The Boers have been under attack from Good Whites ever since the Brits went down there and rounded up the women & children in concentration camps. Canadians helped the Brits, too.

    Replies: @Anon, @Cagey Beast

    Quite right. If we Canadians, Brits, Australians and Kiwis could find the middle ground between Remembrance Day patriotism and fashionable ethno-masochism, we might be able to see and hear the Afrikaner story.

    The last Governor-General of South Africa spent part of his childhood in a British concentration camp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._R._Swart . That slice of truth is in the ultraviolet or infrared range for both patriotards and shitlibs. It means nothing to them.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Cagey Beast

    One of my regiment's (RCR) earliest battle honours is the Boer War.

    Canadian boys sent to crush (genuine) fellow Whites.

    Yes, I'm conflicted.

    , @Matra
    @Cagey Beast

    So it's just the Anglos who don't want to hear the Afrikaner story? You really are obsessed with this evil Anglos are to blame for everything narrative. (Bragadocious is such a parody of a Plastic I sometimes think he's having us all on).

    Most Afrikaners have Dutch and French ancestors. Are those countries more concerned about them than Anglo right wingers? I've watched French news over the last couple of nights and have just glanced at several Paris-based newspapers and see no mention of what's happening in SA. I've heard of Flemish nationalists protesting but doubt Belgium as a whole is too concerned. During the Apartheid years the Dutch were more hostile to their cousins in SA than the US, UK, or Australia - though not Brian Mulroney's Canada. The Irish still brag about how unlike the racist Americans and Brits (well, English Tories and Ulstermen) they were always pro-ANC and pro-sanctions. What about the Catholic Church? Shouldn't it make amends for its past role oppressing the Huguenot ancestors of today's Afrikaners. A lot of them wouldn't have left Europe for SA in the first place if it weren't for the Catholic Church.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Bragadocious

  78. @Cagey Beast
    What are we supposed to say that hasn't already been said by ourselves or our fathers? How long are we supposed to play along with Conservatism Inc.? How long are we supposed to accept the Wall Street and City of London narrative and turn a blind eye to the dispossession and slaughter of our own people just because the Conrad Black and Rupert Murdoch types have bigger fish to fry? Fuck them all, I'm not going to dance inside their painted lines anymore.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Conrad Black

    Conrad Black? I have seen the idiotic haters of Sarah Palin, the imbeciles that still want us to vote Democrat, and the kum-by-ya morons like Corvinus. But hating on Conrad Black? What’s next? Hating on Johnny Appleseed or Florence Nightingale?

    Really?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Did Johnny Appleseed or Florence Nightingale hand over their newspaper and magazine outlets to neocons in the build-up to the Iraq War? I bet they didn't but Conrad Black did. Conrad Black was a neocon enabler and Mark Steyn was his little messenger boy back then. I know we're all supposed to pretend we have the long-term memory of a goldfish or hummingbird but I have trouble faking that sometimes.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom

  79. @Anonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    Can you possibly defend yourself without insulting a good and innocent people?

    Not a good look.

    Replies: @Lowe

    Not a rebuttal.

  80. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Nothing will change unless people began to say RACE-ISM IS THE TRUTH. Race is real and racial differences are real.

    People just don’t realize that the term ‘racism’ undermines any honest discussion of race because the Ism in ‘racism’ is used to mean ‘supremacism’.

    Btw, who cares if the South African economy crumbles and becomes like Zimbabwe.

    The REAL scandal is that white nations won’t take back the Boers. UK took back Anglos in India, and France took back French in Algeria and Vietnam. But Holland and UK won’t take the whites in South Africa. Instead, they’ve done away with the idea of Native Britons and Native Dutch. Their identities are about ‘nation of immigrants’. So, while they take in tons of Africans and Dutch as ‘new Europeans’, they won’t let in the Boers.

    When Indonesia was lost, Holland took back the Dutch. There was still a sense of national identity and family back then. But ever since Europe went multi-culti, white Europeans see Africans and Muslims as their national family. Jews want it this way.

    But Israel will take Jews from all over the world.

  81. @istevefan
    @Anonymous


    This is all leading up to Native American reparations for the entire U.S. territory.
     
    Doubt it. Native Americans are long forgotten. Everything is about blacks and other third worlders. If this were really about giving the Native Americans back their land or giving them reparations, the last thing one would do is invite the rest of the world to come here and squat and take from the till that could have gone to the Native Americans.

    I wonder how the bulk of Native Americans feel towards this new, larger invasion of the Americas. If they had any hope of someday getting their land back from whites, they must know it will never happen now. I'd love to see Natives publicly complain and demand that they be involved in the decision about who can come here. After all we are told it is their land, but no one consults them on the newcomers. Instead they consult the giant green statue which has nothing to do with Native Americans.

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins, @Anonymous

    In Canada there are more natives and they have more exposure and political weight but they’re also being shunted aside in favour of the shiny new things; blacks and Moslems.

  82. @Clifford Brown
    The Critical Take Away is that Trump last night did what Trump does. In response to the Manafort verdict and Cohen pleas, Trump posted a racially charged Tweet regarding South Africa that was destined to be the number one topic on Twitter and dominate the news coverage for the next 24 hours. Instead, there was an obviously coordinated campaign by social media platforms and traditional media to ignore Trump's South Africa comment in order to keep the focus on Manafort and Cohen.

    Republicans better wake up and realize that after the Trump 2016 election social media is now just as controlled as the network news. Either Republicans take on the social media monopolies or they will be shut out of the elections.

    Only 24 hours later, the NY Times and NPR are addressing Trump's attempt to "stroke racial tensions" in South Africa.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/08/23/641359721/south-africans-reject-trumps-characterization-of-land-ownership-issues

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Either Republicans take on the social media monopolies or they will be shut out of the elections.

    Time to deploy the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. Break them up and regulate their actions.

  83. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I believe that our future is actually Malaysia, where a mercantile minority keeps society going and is allowed to continue to mostly exist at the cost of paying for the unproductive majority and constantly kissing the ring with humiliation rituals like having to celebrate Muslim holidays.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Desiderius, @Nigerian Nationalist

    Nonsense! The 21st century variant of your people the self discipline and quite frankly steel of the Chinese.

  84. @Anonymous
    @Desiderius


    Uh, we were there in roughly 1980. They weren’t a majority yet, but everyone knew whose ass to kiss.
     
    Who is "they"? Blacks aren't a majority.

    What were the two counts you were wrong about?

    Replies: @bomag, @Desiderius, @TTSSYF

    Who is “they”? Blacks aren’t a majority.

    The extant population and their support group are pretty much a majority today.

  85. @attilathehen
    @Anonymous

    Argentina is fine. Brazil is a mess (over 55% black).

    South Africa is gone.

    (((Adam Serwer))) is a black/Jew. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/nation-of-islam/555332/

    He wants Brazil/South Africa as our future.

    Replies: @Ed, @The Wild Geese Howard, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Redneck farmer, @Anonymous

    Argentina is fine.

    True, but your Spanish should be middling or better.

    Neighboring Chile is actually quite good…there are areas of Santiago that are quite European!

  86. @attilathehen
    @Anonymous

    Argentina is fine. Brazil is a mess (over 55% black).

    South Africa is gone.

    (((Adam Serwer))) is a black/Jew. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/nation-of-islam/555332/

    He wants Brazil/South Africa as our future.

    Replies: @Ed, @The Wild Geese Howard, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Redneck farmer, @Anonymous

    (((Adam Serwer))) is a black/Jew.

    In other words, he is 0% American.

    He has to go back.

    Now.

  87. Soooo…

    White farmers are trying to leave SA? But are they-haven’t seen a lot. Some talk about Russia and Australia but so far no more than that. Has a single one been either blocked from leaving or prevented from entering anywhere?

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @anony-mouse

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqdyyHJb_SE&feature=youtu.be

    About possible emigration to Russia.

    The Boers, descendants of Dutch colonists in today's South Africa, are increasingly under threat from black racism. Murders of isolated Boer farmers have become pretty common in recent times.


    This may be the first wave of Boers to leave the land that has been home to them for about 300 years, and Russia welcomes them to strengthen their agriculture in Southern Russia. The Russians greatly profited from opening their country to productive German immigrants about 300 years ago, many of whom were fleeing religious persecution in their native lands (like my Pennsylvania Deutsch ancestors to Pennsylvania...), so there is a tradition.


    Try this in the US, and the same leftists so enamored of opening our borders to completely unassimilable hordes from the Third World, would go fucking ballistic. Why, they're white, Christian, probably Nazis! Makes you think, doesn't it?


    I'd take these people as neighbors any day; hard-working, proud to make their living with the work of their hands and minds, and striving to be self-sufficient, and even contributory. Compare and contrast with the Third World welfare-grabbers the Democrats want to flood us with so that they can have a permanent client class to vote for them.

  88. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Cagey Beast


    Conrad Black
     
    Conrad Black? I have seen the idiotic haters of Sarah Palin, the imbeciles that still want us to vote Democrat, and the kum-by-ya morons like Corvinus. But hating on Conrad Black? What's next? Hating on Johnny Appleseed or Florence Nightingale?

    Really?

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    Did Johnny Appleseed or Florence Nightingale hand over their newspaper and magazine outlets to neocons in the build-up to the Iraq War? I bet they didn’t but Conrad Black did. Conrad Black was a neocon enabler and Mark Steyn was his little messenger boy back then. I know we’re all supposed to pretend we have the long-term memory of a goldfish or hummingbird but I have trouble faking that sometimes.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    @Cagey Beast

    This is why this place is so often a trash heap. Mark Steyn isn’t good enough for the people here. If you aren’t shouting “get ready the ovens are coming back” at elderly Jews in Palm Beach then you are just a neo-con.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @BenKenobi, @Matra

  89. As I understand things keeping score at home:

    1. “It’s not happening.”

    2. “Even if it is happening, or if it were to happen, the whites would deserve it.

    – The People who tell me that non-whites are incapable of racism.

  90. @Crew Cut Man
    @Mr. Blank

    It will be a death by a thousand cuts.
    Nothing so dramatic as to demand attention.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    It will be a death by a thousand cuts.
    Nothing so dramatic as to demand attention.

    We are already 100 cuts into that death.

    • Agree: Crew Cut Man
  91. @rational actor
    Speaking as someone with a personal interest in farming, I am confused about the rationale for land appropriation. Is there really some good reason to think that a bunch of peasants/urban layabouts are going to successfully run agricultural businesses, which is what farms today effectively are? Is there any reason to think that a reintroduction of peasant farming will feed millions of people, which is the purpose of farming? Isn't the world urbanizing, and don't SWJs think this is the best thing for us all because it confines us in one place and limits the damage to the environment? Are peasant farming practices truly environmentally friendly when practiced on a large scale? Yeah, I'm not waiting for answers. As I think iSteve once said, today South Africa, tomorrow Iowa.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Unladen Swallow, @Pericles

    I was told that Arab rocketeers removed the gimbals to be able to add marginally more fuel and get a little more range, and I refused to believe it. It was too stupid to be true (and the guy speaking was not exactly an Edward Said fan). Later I was reading some military magazines, one of which was Pakistani, and realized that it was totally true. To add a couple of miles they gave up being able to properly steer the damn thing, and this was a regular practice (as in the “city war” phase of the Iran-Iraq conflict).
    That’s the military equivalent of a socialist third world “back hole” seizing stuff that others have built or developed. They see the end quite clearly, even if their liberal cheerleaders cannot, and they have decided to deal with that end by feeding bits of locomotive into the same locomotive’s furnace.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross


    I was told that Arab rocketeers...
     
    Don't dismiss Islamic aerospace technology. They had a station on the dark side of the moon before the Wright brothers were born.

    https://katrinapearls.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/islamic-star.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Anonymous
    @J.Ross

    IIRC, due to the distances involved, the Iranians could hit Baghdad with their missiles but the Iraqis couldn't hit Tehran with theirs, at least not at first.

    , @Pheasant
    @J.Ross

    If you are talking about the scuds these additions had the effect of changing the scuds radar signature and making them mich harder to shoot down. Granted it was by accident and all but still...

    , @Joe Stalin
    @J.Ross

    If "city war” is the aim, then remember the German V-1 "Buzz Bomb" (Seven mile circle is good enough for government work!) :

    "An odometer driven by a vane anemometer on the nose determined when the target area had been reached, accurately enough for area bombing. Before launch, the counter was set to a value that would reach zero upon arrival at the target in the prevailing wind conditions. As the missile flew, the airflow turned the propeller, and every 30 rotations of the propeller counted down one number on the counter. This counter triggered the arming of the warhead after about 60 km (37 mi). When the count reached zero, two detonating bolts were fired. Two spoilers on the elevator were released, the linkage between the elevator and servo was jammed and a guillotine device cut off the control hoses to the rudder servo, setting the rudder in neutral. These actions put the V-1 into a steep dive. While this was originally intended to be a power dive, in practice the dive caused the fuel flow to cease, which stopped the engine. The sudden silence after the buzzing alerted listeners of the impending impact. The fuel problem was quickly fixed, and when the last V-1s fell, the majority hit with power."

    "Initially, V-1s landed within a circle 19 miles (31 kilometres) in diameter, but by the end of the war, accuracy had been improved to about 7 miles, which was comparable to the V-2 rocket."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb

  92. @Sam Haysom
    @Reg Cæsar

    That’s an amazingly counterfactual bon mot.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That’s an amazingly counterfactual bon mot.

    If you have counterexamples to counter my counterfact, please put them on the counter, where we can counterbalance, counteract, or countermand them, if necessary.

    We’re counting on you. Otherwise, don’t show your countenance around here, lest it be seen as counterfeit.

    • LOL: Desiderius
  93. @J.Ross
    @rational actor

    I was told that Arab rocketeers removed the gimbals to be able to add marginally more fuel and get a little more range, and I refused to believe it. It was too stupid to be true (and the guy speaking was not exactly an Edward Said fan). Later I was reading some military magazines, one of which was Pakistani, and realized that it was totally true. To add a couple of miles they gave up being able to properly steer the damn thing, and this was a regular practice (as in the "city war" phase of the Iran-Iraq conflict).
    That's the military equivalent of a socialist third world "back hole" seizing stuff that others have built or developed. They see the end quite clearly, even if their liberal cheerleaders cannot, and they have decided to deal with that end by feeding bits of locomotive into the same locomotive's furnace.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Pheasant, @Joe Stalin

    I was told that Arab rocketeers…

    Don’t dismiss Islamic aerospace technology. They had a station on the dark side of the moon before the Wright brothers were born.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    I cannot stop loving the notion that that's Saturn (the "crescent" is actually the ring and the "star" is the planet) from a primeval time when the solar system was radically differently arranged.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    There really is no permanant dark side of the moon. You'd get a month-long day over there, of course. I think this is a case of that, what's that Moslem phrase for being one who tells stories to the unbelievers to trick them? Oh, yeah, "lying sacks of shit", that's it.

    Or, maybe someones been listening to too much Floyd. ;-}

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  94. anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it's not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Dave Pinsen, @kissinger, @Twinkie, @Stephen Paul Foster, @George, @Mark P Miller, @Anonymous

    For the future of the US to be South Africa, it needs to be about 85% black.

    Where are those blacks going to come from?

    Presently 13% of America is black. It is projected that in 2050, 13% of America is going to be black.

    About 50% of births in America are white, 25% Latino, and 7% mixed white and Latino (with this category set to grow eventually becoming the majority if you consider those 1/8 Latino to still be mixed).

    America is built on Anglo institutions, not Portuguese or Spanish ones.

    The future is better than Brazil but worse than present day America. The future of America is likely Northern Italy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anonymous


    Where are those blacks going to come from?
     
    They will come from black males impregnating white females.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Anonymous
    @anonymous


    For the future of the US to be South Africa, it needs to be about 85% black.
     
    No it doesn't. It only needs to be 85% non-white. You haven't been paying attention.

    The future of America is likely Northern Italy.
     
    LOL. The present of America isn't even as nice as Northern Italy.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @duncsbaby
    @anonymous

    You need to drive around the city of Fargo, ND, sometime. Notice the kids waiting for the school bus in the morning. Observe their parents lining up to get on the bus during the day. Tell me how Blacks aren't numerically challenging white demographics in the middle of the freaking country. The 2nd most spoken language at home in Fargo is Somali not Spanish. There are sizable numbers of Liberians, Sudanese, Nigerians, Ghanaians & even Congolese as well & their numbers increase every week, mostly by migration but by reproduction as well. The first generation is fairly law abiding & quiet but the kids are just another crop of American Blacks w/a chip on their shoulder. I wish I could live in the bubble you so evidently live in where the numbers of Blacks is not increasing in this county each passing day.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @anonymous


    The future of America is likely Northern Italy
     
    You spelled, "Southern Italy," funny.
  95. @Ed
    @attilathehen

    The funny thing about Brazil is that it’s lurching to the right especially among whites so much so that the monarchist movement there is fairly robust there.


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-plan-to-fix-brazils-royal-mess-restore-the-monarchy-1466187675

    Replies: @attilathehen

    It’s a useless movement. Many white Brazilians are fleeing the country. Of course, they can’t admit it’s the black who are causing the problems. The only possible solution for the whites is to divide the country in half. Most of the blacks live in the north. They could build a wall.

  96. @rational actor
    Speaking as someone with a personal interest in farming, I am confused about the rationale for land appropriation. Is there really some good reason to think that a bunch of peasants/urban layabouts are going to successfully run agricultural businesses, which is what farms today effectively are? Is there any reason to think that a reintroduction of peasant farming will feed millions of people, which is the purpose of farming? Isn't the world urbanizing, and don't SWJs think this is the best thing for us all because it confines us in one place and limits the damage to the environment? Are peasant farming practices truly environmentally friendly when practiced on a large scale? Yeah, I'm not waiting for answers. As I think iSteve once said, today South Africa, tomorrow Iowa.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Unladen Swallow, @Pericles

    It really makes no sense in an American context, because not many black people live in heavily agricultural areas, maybe a lot do in South Africa? Of course if South African urban areas are devolving into District 9 style blight, maybe that is why there is this desire to move out to the country.

    My guess is that the real reason is that agriculture is the last bastion of the Afrikaners, unlike industry or finance. Therefore it should be stolen regardless of whether there are any black people who can farm who will take their place. There is clearly no long term thinking underlying any of this.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Unladen Swallow

    There are much richer white people in South Africa than the typical Boer farmer. For example:

    https://www.forbes.com/profile/nicky-oppenheimer/#3f0e48cf3b93

    https://citizen.co.za/news/news-eish/1878420/1pic-of-ramaphosa-signing-or-tambo-deal-with-oppenheimers/

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Unladen Swallow

    There are much richer white people in South Africa than the typical Boer farmer. For example:

    https://www.forbes.com/profile/nicky-oppenheimer/#3f0e48cf3b93

    https://citizen.co.za/news/news-eish/1878420/1pic-of-ramaphosa-signing-or-tambo-deal-with-oppenheimers/

    , @Simply Simon
    @Unladen Swallow

    Farming, i.e., agriculture is and always has been in the blood of the Afrikaners, much like it is with the Pennsylvania Dutch, Amish, Mennonites and Dunkards in the US. It was also in the blood of my ancestors who were peasants in Northern France and Germany. I often feel I should have stayed on our family farm, albeit small , instead of trying to make my way in the outside world. No doubt a much more peaceful life than the one I've lived.

  97. @Anon
    @Lot

    None of those countries has a TFR above replacement level. Ryan Faulk's data appears to indicate that European immigrants don't favor the Republicans. The only OECD country that has a TFR above replacement is Israel, I don't even think Utah LDS are above 2.1 anymore.

    The tendency of industrial societies is to reduce fertility and increase feminism, while needing an ever growing base of consumers. The problem is free market fundamentalism. Eastern European governments routinely get complaints of "labor shortages" and in response are considering the importation of Southeast Asians.

    A better policy would be to abolish feminism, create tax incentives for the middle class to have children, and remove incentives for immigrants to come to the Western countries by encouraging the development of the Third World.

    Replies: @Lot, @Reg Cæsar

    Low birth rates are a problem, but I am talking but things Trump can do today.

    I am pretty sure these migrants will have higher fertility than if they stayed home, and may boost the local birth rates back in their homelands with remittances, lower labor supply and thus higher wages.

  98. @Unladen Swallow
    @rational actor

    It really makes no sense in an American context, because not many black people live in heavily agricultural areas, maybe a lot do in South Africa? Of course if South African urban areas are devolving into District 9 style blight, maybe that is why there is this desire to move out to the country.

    My guess is that the real reason is that agriculture is the last bastion of the Afrikaners, unlike industry or finance. Therefore it should be stolen regardless of whether there are any black people who can farm who will take their place. There is clearly no long term thinking underlying any of this.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @Simply Simon

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    @Steve Sailer

    Indeed there are, and they seem fine with the farmers getting their land confiscated. They are however only delaying the inevitable confiscation of the factories and mines that they own.

  99. @Unladen Swallow
    @rational actor

    It really makes no sense in an American context, because not many black people live in heavily agricultural areas, maybe a lot do in South Africa? Of course if South African urban areas are devolving into District 9 style blight, maybe that is why there is this desire to move out to the country.

    My guess is that the real reason is that agriculture is the last bastion of the Afrikaners, unlike industry or finance. Therefore it should be stolen regardless of whether there are any black people who can farm who will take their place. There is clearly no long term thinking underlying any of this.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @Simply Simon

  100. @anonymous
    @Anonymous

    For the future of the US to be South Africa, it needs to be about 85% black.

    Where are those blacks going to come from?

    Presently 13% of America is black. It is projected that in 2050, 13% of America is going to be black.

    About 50% of births in America are white, 25% Latino, and 7% mixed white and Latino (with this category set to grow eventually becoming the majority if you consider those 1/8 Latino to still be mixed).

    America is built on Anglo institutions, not Portuguese or Spanish ones.

    The future is better than Brazil but worse than present day America. The future of America is likely Northern Italy.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @duncsbaby, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Where are those blacks going to come from?

    They will come from black males impregnating white females.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous



    Where are those blacks going to come from?
     
    They will come from black males impregnating white females.
     
    Four at a time?

    Replies: @Desiderius

  101. @Anonymous
    The Economic Freedom Fighters are populists and nationalists who want to nationalize property or redistribute it to the nation. Not any different than, say, what the Eastern Europeans did with the property of the Volga Germans in Eastern Europe. Nor with what the alt-right and white nationalists want to do. The alt-right and white nationalists support and wish to implement the same sort of policies once in power, but they're opposed to such policies in South Africa because they're white supremacists.

    Replies: @Mike P., @J.Ross, @BenKenobi

    Well, duh.

  102. @Sunbeam
    "On the other side of the debate, one could argue that since we do not support taking land away from European Americans, we cannot support taking land away from the Boers. I think most Americans would see that is the logical position if they don’t intend on giving their land back to the Natives."

    Wait a second chief. Logic doesn't have anything to do with this, or just about anything in the real world.

    Do you honestly think this kind of argument has any appeal or will resonate with anyone? Everyone pretty much just draws up battle lines on something like this based on ethnicity or cuck status.

    Tell ya what though. When every other tribe and group in the world makes a total commitment to the kind of moral calculus you present... then, and only then, will I personally see any credence in it.

    Personally though, I hope the Russians do open the floodgates to the Afrikaners. They need to leave that shithole and never look back. What possible upside is there to the place? What joy could you ever find living there?

    Five years from now that place will be FUBAR. Screw them. The best, most terrible punishment devisable by man is to leave them to their own devices. And if you are some kind of NGO employee, go do humanitarian efforts on your own dime, and die on your own dime.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon

    And they need to destroy all the infrastructure they can on the way out. Water, Sewage, Electrical Grid, Bridges. It all must come down!

  103. @Cagey Beast
    @Bragadocious

    Quite right. If we Canadians, Brits, Australians and Kiwis could find the middle ground between Remembrance Day patriotism and fashionable ethno-masochism, we might be able to see and hear the Afrikaner story.

    The last Governor-General of South Africa spent part of his childhood in a British concentration camp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._R._Swart . That slice of truth is in the ultraviolet or infrared range for both patriotards and shitlibs. It means nothing to them.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Matra

    One of my regiment’s (RCR) earliest battle honours is the Boer War.

    Canadian boys sent to crush (genuine) fellow Whites.

    Yes, I’m conflicted.

  104. @Mr. Blank
    I predict that the dull, technocratic way this whole story is being reported is going to be the occasion for another round of red pilling. Seriously, I was reading a news report earlier that blandly explained that there's no story here, no big deal, because everything is being done "legally," by the book.

    Look, Zimbabwe/Rhodesia was pretty easy to sweep under the rug, because who the hell has ever heard of Zimbabdesia or whatever. But South Africa is a big, important country with huge media visibility. If government engineered anti-white pogroms send the place into a nosedive, that will be very hard to hide. And somehow I don't think the standard leftist line — that all these people had it coming for having the temerity to be white and live in South Africa — is going to win over a lot of people watching the whole thing from afar.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Crew Cut Man, @Ball Kin, @anon, @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @MBlanc46

    This is naive. We’ve been here before, half a dozen times before in living memory, beginning with the Congo massacres of the early 1960s. Nobody cares what happens to whites in Africa. Not then, not now.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Anonymous

    No, I think the powers that be care very much, with goal being to get them out of there so that Africa can return to its historic death rates.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  105. “While there are a lot of arguments to be had about the merits of how land reform should work in Israel, it’s hardly surprising that American pundits of a particular ideological stripe would feel that Jewish famers are entitled to all of it. That’s what happened here.”

  106. This morning there were numerous articles written seemingly in unison, hysterically denouncing Trump for tweeting “white nationalist” talking points.

    Here’s an article by lady writer at Vox:

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/23/17772056/south-africa-trump-tweet-afriforum-white-farmers-violence

    She starts by dismissing it as white nationalist propaganda. Then she talks about how whites are racist because of apartheid. Then she talks more about how the whole thing is a right wing fabrication.

    Finally she admits that “white farmers have historically been the victims of violent attacks in South Africa” but then says we can’t really be sure that it’s racial and, ya know, the whites have it coming anyway, cuz apartheid.

    She then approvingly quotes what should be a contender for stupidest argument of the year:

    Moreover, Joe Walsh at the New Statesman found that murder rates in South Africa’s affluent, predominantly white suburbs are far lower than murder rates in the poor, predominantly black townships. “If there was any kind of genocide being carried out against white people in the country then the safest areas of the continent’s most dangerous city would not be predominately white,” Walsh wrote in May.

    Bonus: The original article I read this morning said that “Afrikaners” is a general term for white people in South Africa. They’ve since corrected it, but the humiliating correction now sits at the bottom of the page. Unbelievable that this lady who doesn’t know what “Afrikaner” means presumes to lecture us about the history of South Africa.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @gregor

    My policy is to check the author's profile whenever possible. When the profile has information like this woman's, where we see that she's a middle-aged bleached blonde who describes the love of her life as her Boston Terrier, I click the back arrow immediately.

  107. @Art Deco
    @Cagey Beast

    He’s still a globalist with a Judeocentric worldview.

    I found a cute picture of you.


    https://www.google.com/search?q=kill+clouseau&client=firefox-b-1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi3u4f704TdAhVpmeAKHaO3DngQ_AUICygC&biw=1282&bih=671#imgdii=pvVfJLiPLXhtJM:&imgrc=LLRd2k5OQdh_-M:

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Mr. Anon

  108. @L Woods
    @benjaminl

    I can't even fathom the ignorant hate that ungirded apartheid. Imagine the senseless bigotry of not wanting this sort of thing happening to your family or in your neighborhood. I can't even.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I saw the URL for the article and couldn’t get myself to read it right now. It tells me the parents died first. Were I a living parent having seen this, I would have started the war right then – my own personal war, as far as I could go with it.

  109. @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross


    I was told that Arab rocketeers...
     
    Don't dismiss Islamic aerospace technology. They had a station on the dark side of the moon before the Wright brothers were born.

    https://katrinapearls.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/islamic-star.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman

    I cannot stop loving the notion that that’s Saturn (the “crescent” is actually the ring and the “star” is the planet) from a primeval time when the solar system was radically differently arranged.

  110. Trump’s tweet on the South African genocide of white farmers and the accompanying theft of lands is possibly his most important tweet of all time. The media has tried to demean anyone pointing the reality out. Now Trump has forced them to cover the issue and it is fascinating to watch Jews claim it is racist and a sign of white nationalism to be against the genocide.

    Most whites in the US are oblivious to the genocide – like they are oblivious to most things not immediately impacting them – but seeing the denunciations of whites who critize what South Africa is doing may well remove some of the stigma of being called a white nationalist and get whites to start contemplating a little more their majority non white future.

  111. @istevefan
    @Anonymous


    This is all leading up to Native American reparations for the entire U.S. territory.
     
    Doubt it. Native Americans are long forgotten. Everything is about blacks and other third worlders. If this were really about giving the Native Americans back their land or giving them reparations, the last thing one would do is invite the rest of the world to come here and squat and take from the till that could have gone to the Native Americans.

    I wonder how the bulk of Native Americans feel towards this new, larger invasion of the Americas. If they had any hope of someday getting their land back from whites, they must know it will never happen now. I'd love to see Natives publicly complain and demand that they be involved in the decision about who can come here. After all we are told it is their land, but no one consults them on the newcomers. Instead they consult the giant green statue which has nothing to do with Native Americans.

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins, @Anonymous

    Most of the people coming across the Mexican border are Native Americans.

    History is long and the red man will have the last laugh.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @Anonymous


    Most of the people coming across the Mexican border are Native Americans.
     
    They are not native to this part of the Americas. The ones native to what is now the USA already live here and most have reservations, casinos,etc. The ones coming from down south have an easier time coming and squatting in this part of the Americas than their ancestors would have 530 years ago. Today they are welcomed and subsidized. Back then they would have been forcibly repelled by their fellow 'Natives'.

    History is long and the red man will have the last laugh.
     
    Doubt it. Most of the red men have been diluted with European and African blood. And the ever increasing masses of Asians and Africans will ensure the red man will never have control over his ancestral homeland.

    Replies: @Crew Cut Man

  112. @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross


    I was told that Arab rocketeers...
     
    Don't dismiss Islamic aerospace technology. They had a station on the dark side of the moon before the Wright brothers were born.

    https://katrinapearls.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/islamic-star.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman

    There really is no permanant dark side of the moon. You’d get a month-long day over there, of course. I think this is a case of that, what’s that Moslem phrase for being one who tells stories to the unbelievers to trick them? Oh, yeah, “lying sacks of shit”, that’s it.

    Or, maybe someones been listening to too much Floyd. ;-}

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman


    There really is no permanant dark side of the moon.
     
    No, but it's dark, i.e., unseen, to us. But that's just a function of our stubborn terracentricity.

    Or, maybe someones been listening to too much Floyd. ;-}
     
    All in all, it's just another tile in the mosque...

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  113. @Anonymous
    @anonymous


    Where are those blacks going to come from?
     
    They will come from black males impregnating white females.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Where are those blacks going to come from?

    They will come from black males impregnating white females.

    Four at a time?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Reg Cæsar

    If it does come to that, it will often be far more than four. The Silverback spreads his seed far and wide.

    I don’t think it will, at least not soon. East Asia and her diaspora wouldn’t stand for it.

  114. Lauren Southern’s new documentary on South Africa is worth watching and free on YouTube (where, of course, it’s been shadowbanned):

    • Agree: Charles Pewitt
  115. @Cagey Beast
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Did Johnny Appleseed or Florence Nightingale hand over their newspaper and magazine outlets to neocons in the build-up to the Iraq War? I bet they didn't but Conrad Black did. Conrad Black was a neocon enabler and Mark Steyn was his little messenger boy back then. I know we're all supposed to pretend we have the long-term memory of a goldfish or hummingbird but I have trouble faking that sometimes.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom

    This is why this place is so often a trash heap. Mark Steyn isn’t good enough for the people here. If you aren’t shouting “get ready the ovens are coming back” at elderly Jews in Palm Beach then you are just a neo-con.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Sam Haysom

    Steyn is good where he's good but he literally was a neocon. He's not being falsely accused there. I advocate for accepting Dennis Prager on the grounds that we should seek three quarters or eighty percent rather than impossible purity. But yeah, he's a neocon, that's what he is, that's not like an epithet or a libel.

    , @BenKenobi
    @Sam Haysom

    Tell you what, you start at Mark Steyn, and I'll start at the ovens. Then we'll meet in the middle.

    , @Matra
    @Sam Haysom

    I've been reading Steyn since the 90s, so I generally like him. However, it was so damn obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense and a bit of worldly experience - which Steyn has having grown up in different countries - after 9/11 that immigration was the issue and that as tragic as 9/11 was it was also a golden opportunity, with a president at 90%+ approval, to finally do something constructive about immigration control that would save the nation from a demographic disaster. Instead the entire conservative media pushed for a mindbogglingly stupid (from an American perspective) war in Iraq. Steyn, along with Coulter and just about every prominent right wing commentator blew it. Big time. Since then Steyn, after being one of the best salesmen for Iraq, has been pushed out of NR as he's no longer useful to the neocons. At this stage even he - like Coulter - probably wishes he'd done things differently after 9/11 but it's too late. He failed. What good are conservative spokesmen if they are blind to existential issues?

    BTW equating not liking Steyn with tossing elderly Jews into ovens makes you look hysterical.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom, @MBlanc46

  116. @J.Ross
    @rational actor

    I was told that Arab rocketeers removed the gimbals to be able to add marginally more fuel and get a little more range, and I refused to believe it. It was too stupid to be true (and the guy speaking was not exactly an Edward Said fan). Later I was reading some military magazines, one of which was Pakistani, and realized that it was totally true. To add a couple of miles they gave up being able to properly steer the damn thing, and this was a regular practice (as in the "city war" phase of the Iran-Iraq conflict).
    That's the military equivalent of a socialist third world "back hole" seizing stuff that others have built or developed. They see the end quite clearly, even if their liberal cheerleaders cannot, and they have decided to deal with that end by feeding bits of locomotive into the same locomotive's furnace.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Pheasant, @Joe Stalin

    IIRC, due to the distances involved, the Iranians could hit Baghdad with their missiles but the Iraqis couldn’t hit Tehran with theirs, at least not at first.

  117. @Anon
    @Lot

    None of those countries has a TFR above replacement level. Ryan Faulk's data appears to indicate that European immigrants don't favor the Republicans. The only OECD country that has a TFR above replacement is Israel, I don't even think Utah LDS are above 2.1 anymore.

    The tendency of industrial societies is to reduce fertility and increase feminism, while needing an ever growing base of consumers. The problem is free market fundamentalism. Eastern European governments routinely get complaints of "labor shortages" and in response are considering the importation of Southeast Asians.

    A better policy would be to abolish feminism, create tax incentives for the middle class to have children, and remove incentives for immigrants to come to the Western countries by encouraging the development of the Third World.

    Replies: @Lot, @Reg Cæsar

    The problem is free market fundamentalism.

    No welfare state is a free market, and no Western country lacks a welfare state. Moving to a country with a “safety net” offers a qualitatively different incentive than does moving to one without.

    So, yes, it’s fundamentalism. But there’s nothing “free market” about it.

  118. @Anonymous
    @Desiderius


    Uh, we were there in roughly 1980. They weren’t a majority yet, but everyone knew whose ass to kiss.
     
    Who is "they"? Blacks aren't a majority.

    What were the two counts you were wrong about?

    Replies: @bomag, @Desiderius, @TTSSYF

    (1) being a good person
    (2) that behavior being virtuous – it was vanity

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Desiderius

    Why don't you consider yourself to be a good person?

    Replies: @Desiderius

  119. @Sam Haysom
    @Cagey Beast

    This is why this place is so often a trash heap. Mark Steyn isn’t good enough for the people here. If you aren’t shouting “get ready the ovens are coming back” at elderly Jews in Palm Beach then you are just a neo-con.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @BenKenobi, @Matra

    Steyn is good where he’s good but he literally was a neocon. He’s not being falsely accused there. I advocate for accepting Dennis Prager on the grounds that we should seek three quarters or eighty percent rather than impossible purity. But yeah, he’s a neocon, that’s what he is, that’s not like an epithet or a libel.

  120. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous



    Where are those blacks going to come from?
     
    They will come from black males impregnating white females.
     
    Four at a time?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    If it does come to that, it will often be far more than four. The Silverback spreads his seed far and wide.

    I don’t think it will, at least not soon. East Asia and her diaspora wouldn’t stand for it.

  121. @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    And a solid reputation as a highly intelligent and competant administrator. That was an argument against the evidence of one's own eyes when he started appropriation talk: surely this guy is "one of us," surely he's sane, surely if he does it he won't go full Zimbabwean, surely he's just giving this idea lip service to pacify idiots like Malema.

    Replies: @SporadicMyrmidon, @Vendetta, @PaulS

    That is exactly what I thought (and I think I said as much here earlier as Anonymous). What gives? What is he doing? Is he trying for a narrow path where he somehow doesn’t go full Zimbabwe because the Anglo-SJW-Jewish SA whites stick with him for the short term and the world financial community doesn’t panic? My understanding is that he was somehow “picked” to be a very rich black and given windfall deals to keep him in line. But I presume he is astute enough to understand this and to grasp that Malema can destroy him. But I really didn’t think he would get this going, so I’ve gotten something wrong.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @SporadicMyrmidon

    I like the argument that he won't do anything crazy because he's a billionaire. Doesn't that just underline his independence?

    Replies: @SporadicMyrmidon

  122. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    @Anonymous

    For the future of the US to be South Africa, it needs to be about 85% black.

    Where are those blacks going to come from?

    Presently 13% of America is black. It is projected that in 2050, 13% of America is going to be black.

    About 50% of births in America are white, 25% Latino, and 7% mixed white and Latino (with this category set to grow eventually becoming the majority if you consider those 1/8 Latino to still be mixed).

    America is built on Anglo institutions, not Portuguese or Spanish ones.

    The future is better than Brazil but worse than present day America. The future of America is likely Northern Italy.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @duncsbaby, @The Wild Geese Howard

    For the future of the US to be South Africa, it needs to be about 85% black.

    No it doesn’t. It only needs to be 85% non-white. You haven’t been paying attention.

    The future of America is likely Northern Italy.

    LOL. The present of America isn’t even as nice as Northern Italy.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    No it doesn’t. It only needs to be 85% non-white.
     
    Because all non-whites are the same. I mean who doesn’t look at people from Sierra Leon and those from Japan and say “There go all those non-whites. All the same. The lot of them.”

    Replies: @Seth Largo, @Anonymous

  123. Anon[263] • Disclaimer says:

    Slightly OT

    Ilana Mercer’s post on this topic led me to Farmer’s Weekly, a publication aimed at South African farmers. I read an article there about land expropriation, and then my eyes went to the comments. There was a single comment there:

    https://www.farmersweekly.co.za/agri-news/south-africa/farm-list-fake/

    I am writing from Durban. A year and a half ago, my boyfriend left me for another woman. I became very hopeless, wretched and melancholic. I even contemplated suicide. I dated several men in order to try to forget about him, but still couldn’t stand the longing for my partner. I could not forget my ex. I tried doing very many things as a means to bring him back, but it was useless. I cast a love binding spell with one online spell caster, but it did not work. Later, some scam who claimed to be anything won my confidence. However, this time I was fooled again.

    Since I kept making consultations from one spell caster to another, I had run out of money. However, six months ago, I got a recommendation from a friend who had successfully had his spell cast from Love Spells Testimonial site. He told me to rush because the things he was talking about were real. I didn’t really hesitate much. I prayed to God and told him that if I were deceived again, I would never resort to these people or even trust any spell caster. I sent her the money she had requested for the spell to be cast. It was amazing that the very first call I received after 12 days was from my ex-boyfriend. He asked for forgiveness and another chance because he was sorry for what he had done. Now I feel like I am the happiest in the world because of what this spell caster did for me.

    If you are somebody who really underwent a situation like mine, I recommend that you visit this spell caster Call Mama Thandy +[redacted phone number] We are a very happy couple today. Recently, my boyfriend proposed to me. However, it didn’t come from the blue. I had to cast a commitment spell in order to make him do so. It is so amazing how some spell casters can be wonderful. I wish you all the best of luck and hope you will make the same testimony one day.

    Call Mama Thandy +[redacted phone number]

  124. (adam serwer), of course.

    i am friends with a well to do family that owns a big family farm in south africa. the guy i know, an IT guy who came to the states in the 90s, moved to the states, while his wife, daughter of the farm family he married into, used to split her time between south africa and the US. they have kids together, so it got complicated about where the kids would live and go to school. they are both dual citizens.

    they could never agree on US or south africa, and eventually, they divorced over this, and other things. my friend stayed in the US permanently, whereas his wife, who always hated the US, moved back to south africa permanently, where her family retains their farm and other businesses.

    a few years ago, guys came to the farm and murdered her brother. i’m sure my friend has tried to convince her to leave south africa, being his ex wife notwithstanding. it’s only a matter of time until they appropriate their farm, or come to kill the rest of them, then take the farm. and i’m sure my friend doesn’t want to see that.

    yet she hates the US, and will probably never leave south africa. it’s time to leave. but she’d rather die on her long time family farm, than leave near certain doom, even if it means her kids have no future either.

    this woman won’t leave south africa now, and plans to stay, even in the face of certain death – she is a US citizen and could leave anytime. what does she think? that her 20 year old kids have a future in south africa? that they’ll have some 40 year career there in professional jobs? after the africans done with the farmers, guess who’s next?

    europeans are in big trouble. a lot of them can’t change the collision course of doom they’re on, even when it’s staring them in the face.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @prime noticer

    If she really likes Africa, she could go to Rwanda - something which I know a lot of SA whites were doing already. Its much healthier for the future, and its still in Africa.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  125. @Desiderius
    @Anonymous

    (1) being a good person
    (2) that behavior being virtuous - it was vanity

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Why don’t you consider yourself to be a good person?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Anonymous

    There is only one good person. A life well lived continually approaches His je ne sais quoi but never quite reaches it in this life.

    Alternatively, actions are good/bad, not people.

  126. @Anonymous
    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it's not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Dave Pinsen, @kissinger, @Twinkie, @Stephen Paul Foster, @George, @Mark P Miller, @Anonymous

    South Africa is th extreme example I had in mind when I brought this up to Mark Krikorian.

  127. South Africa has 9 provinces created after the ANC taking power in 1994. Johannesburg and Pretoria are located in the smallest province geographically – Gauteng.

    Gauteng is an anagram of ‘get a gun’.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @NickG

    Ramaphosa has powerful friends. There was a front-page expose of his corrupt deputy, and potential rival in the New York Times recently. Trump's Tweet won't be entirely unwelcome in Ramaphosa's circles.

    Malema seems to be losing his mind, literally. Has started ranting about Jews trying to kill him or some such thing. Idi Amin syndrome seems to have struck early. Ramaphosa will stall until 2019.

    As for the Boers, they're hooked on cheap black labor, and were too greedy to allow for a proper partition of South Africa on the terms of the white government.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @NickG

  128. @Anonymous
    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it's not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Dave Pinsen, @kissinger, @Twinkie, @Stephen Paul Foster, @George, @Mark P Miller, @Anonymous

    The core problem with South Africa over the last quarter century seems to be a lack of acknowledgment of HBD and arithmetic by the government and its defenders in the West, which led to unrealistic expectations by its people.

    If you take HBD out of the picture, the only reason blacks were poorer than whites in South Africa was because of apartheid, and the only reason most of them, aside from the politically-connected black diamonds, are still poor is because the legacy of apartheid hasn’t been fully remedied yet. Hence the latest proposed remedy.

    Basic arithmetic tells you that if you took the wealth of all of the South African whites and divided it among the other 91% of the country, the average South African wouldn’t be as wealthy as the average white South African. What majority rule could and did do was create a black elite and a black middle class, and get rid of the humiliating de jure racial hierarchy of apartheid South Africa. What it couldn’t do is offer more competent government or broader prosperity.

    The best part of Mandela’s proscription against expropriation without fair compensation for South Africa is that it discouraged expropriation. Whether SA pays a fair price or not for the land it expropriates matters to the farm owners, but not to black South Africans. What will matter to them is that the new farm owners will likely be less competent than the current ones, leading to the downward spiral that happened in Zimbabwe.

    • Agree: Peter Johnson
    • Replies: @Pheasant
    @Dave Pinsen

    Yeah blacks will never be able to create wealth just consume it. They are no good at running businesses (the Indians run them all) as they are too improvident and too envious of each other. It is of course group differences that are the cause of White wealth and black poverty. Whites will create wealth anywhere, blacks will never create wealth left to their own devices.

    I reccomend to all here if they want to understand the mindset behind confiscations to read Gedaliah Braun's (Eugene Valburg) Racism, guilt,self deciet and self hatred. It is available on Kindle. Please buy it first and ignore the excerpted parts available online- they do the book no justice. It really will change the way you think about race.

    , @Samuel Skinner
    @Dave Pinsen


    The core problem with South Africa over the last quarter century seems to be a lack of acknowledgment of HBD and arithmetic by the government and its defenders in the West, which led to unrealistic expectations by its people.
     
    Collectivization of farming in the USSR lead to famine killing millions in the 1930s. Just 20 years latter Maoist China collectivized their farms and proceeded to have a famine killing tens of millions.

    It isn't lack of acknowledgement that is the issue. The policies are deliberately bad and designed to hurt as many people as possible. Why? Because people desire power and you demonstrate power by forcing change against opposition.
    , @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen


    and get rid of the humiliating de jure racial hierarchy of apartheid South Africa.
     
    What was humiliating about apartheid?
    , @NickG
    @Dave Pinsen

    Yup average IQ in SA is 72 - from IQ and the Wealth of the Nations by Richard Lynn.

  129. The Cape region has a large white population, perhaps a majority, and should make an independence bid. The problem is an independence movement needs powerful international supporters to provide aid and political cover to succeed. The question I have is can I demand property from blacks here in London if it is fine to do the reverse in Africa?

    • Replies: @jeppo
    @LondonBob

    The Cape region has a large white population, perhaps a majority, and should make an independence bid.

    The Western Cape (Cape Town's province) is only 15.7% white. But the Coloureds make up almost half the population, so Bantus are only 32.8%, by far the lowest percentage in SA.

    Yes they should definitely make an independence bid.

    , @Anonymous
    @LondonBob

    Western Cape (the province which includes Cape Town) is 17% white
    Northern Cape is only 7% white.
    Eastern Cape is only 4% white.

    Nowhere near a majority there.

  130. @Anonymous
    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it's not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Dave Pinsen, @kissinger, @Twinkie, @Stephen Paul Foster, @George, @Mark P Miller, @Anonymous

    For Europe the future is definitely South Africa.

    I just cannot fathom why European elites truly seek to turn our continent into South Africa.

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
    @kissinger


    I just cannot fathom why European elites truly seek to turn our continent into South Africa.
     
    European elites aren't having children. While this does feature significant religious insanity, their is a strong element of nihlism- they have no future and are going to deny it to everyone else.
  131. The mainstream narrative will always find some way to explain why South Africa is spiralling ever downward while denying the reality of HBD. The explanation and/or explanations will change repeatedly as circumstances change, and will strain credulity, but no role will be given for HBD. For true believers in blank slate fundamentalism, no level of ridiculousness will be spared to avoid acknowledging HBD and its key role in South Africa’s history and future.

    • Replies: @Cowboy Shaw
    @Peter Johnson

    Yep, it's going to be amazing to watch. Just a slow implosion as South Africa reverts to the level of its governing and majority population, and ever more baroque and elaborate excuses come tumbling out from the left.

    There's a sense in Africa that the continent takes back what is its - Africa wins again. Africa will win this one.

    A few years back I was camping in a site outside Grootfontein in Namibia. I had a few beers with the old German manager in his house. We sat outside with a pistol on the table in front of us. He told me stories about being a soldier in the Congo in the 60s and young belgium boys being kept in cages and being fattened up to eat. 'One day they'll get me' he said, gesturing at the fence, 'but I'm ready for them and I'll take as many as I can with me.'

  132. @Steve Sailer
    @Art Deco

    Some Malay descent too.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @hhsiii

    Some Malay descent too.

    Cape Malay.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Twinkie

    Coloureds who were Muslims became classified Cape Malays relatively recently. It's hard to tell if they have significantly more East Asian ancestry than other Coloureds.

  133. @Anonymous
    @anonymous


    For the future of the US to be South Africa, it needs to be about 85% black.
     
    No it doesn't. It only needs to be 85% non-white. You haven't been paying attention.

    The future of America is likely Northern Italy.
     
    LOL. The present of America isn't even as nice as Northern Italy.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    No it doesn’t. It only needs to be 85% non-white.

    Because all non-whites are the same. I mean who doesn’t look at people from Sierra Leon and those from Japan and say “There go all those non-whites. All the same. The lot of them.”

    • Replies: @Seth Largo
    @Twinkie

    The Left's goal is indeed to divide the world into White and Non-White. Chinese in South Africa are officially "black."

    https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2008/06/19/in-south-africa-chinese-is-the-new-black/

    Of course, thankfully, a non-trivial number of those who are neither white nor black refuse to play that game.

    , @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    No one's complaining about a flood of Japanese immigrants, and I'll leave it to you to figure out the reasons for this on your own time.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  134. @J.Ross
    @rational actor

    I was told that Arab rocketeers removed the gimbals to be able to add marginally more fuel and get a little more range, and I refused to believe it. It was too stupid to be true (and the guy speaking was not exactly an Edward Said fan). Later I was reading some military magazines, one of which was Pakistani, and realized that it was totally true. To add a couple of miles they gave up being able to properly steer the damn thing, and this was a regular practice (as in the "city war" phase of the Iran-Iraq conflict).
    That's the military equivalent of a socialist third world "back hole" seizing stuff that others have built or developed. They see the end quite clearly, even if their liberal cheerleaders cannot, and they have decided to deal with that end by feeding bits of locomotive into the same locomotive's furnace.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Pheasant, @Joe Stalin

    If you are talking about the scuds these additions had the effect of changing the scuds radar signature and making them mich harder to shoot down. Granted it was by accident and all but still…

  135. @Anonymous
    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it's not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Dave Pinsen, @kissinger, @Twinkie, @Stephen Paul Foster, @George, @Mark P Miller, @Anonymous

    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.

    You are not God. No one besides Him knows the future.

    There is a weird, almost perverse, nightmarish sci-fi fantasy among some commenters here who dislike the present America so much that they imagine the worst possible, highly unlikely scenario. It’s like they almost want it to be that bad so that they can justify their own over-the-top pessimism and discontent (“I told you so; I said 25 years ago the country was FUBAR, because it was not to my liking”).

    Look, I am also unhappy about the direction of the country. I agree that there are many things that should be altered for the better. But South Africa? We are talking about a country with below average IQ whites, who in turn are only a small minority among a large super majority of highly uneducated, low IQ sub-Saharan Africans that have emerged from a serious internal conflict, including violent terrorism and authoritarian repression.

    Our future is not black. At worst, it will be beige.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Twinkie

    I actually agree with you here. You could see it in the run up to the election with the eeyorism and then afterwards with the cries of "betrayed!" every single damn day.

    Not everyone here thinks the only allowable form of resistance is doom masturbation on a niche blog.

    , @Samuel Skinner
    @Twinkie

    You don't get it. Nearly the entire black population of South Africa emigrated from elsewhere. If our elite decide to ship in millions of Africans what is going to stop them? They are open about their goal being totally open borders and the extermination of the white race. There is no end state, no stopping point, no line they will not cross. This will continue until our elite have killed everyone or they are dead.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Twinkie

    , @TTSSYF
    @Twinkie

    Our future may be beige, rather than black, but it's still going to be far worse than what it was or what it could have been.

    , @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    Setting aside skin color and population, there are ideological and legal precedents in South Africa for SJW behavior here. From monument desecration to winking at "spontaneous" violence which just happens to achieve goals (or excusing it as economic and not racial) it can be said that South Africa showed them the way.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @Twinkie


    Our future is not black. At worst, it will be beige.
     
    Very cute. We're already (dark) beige. Unfortunately, it's about culture not color.

    Our culture is being wrecked by the constant flood of third-world immigrants, and you're celebrating it while denigrating those of us who dare to object. You have the entire internet to play in--nearly all of it is 'safe space' for people who think like you do. Yet you infest this small site which is one of a very few remaining places where self-respecting white people are permitted to speak with even the slightest degree of freedom.

    That "highly unlikely scenario" phrase you use is almost word-for-word what we were told when the bill of goods named Hart-Celler was being retailed. Now white people are down from 90% to only 50% of the population, our culture is being trashed, and it's not stopping, it's not reversing, it's accelerating. So excuse me if we're tired of your lies.

    The very last thing we need is to be lectured on this topic by the invaders themselves.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  136. Anon[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @NickG
    South Africa has 9 provinces created after the ANC taking power in 1994. Johannesburg and Pretoria are located in the smallest province geographically - Gauteng.

    Gauteng is an anagram of 'get a gun'.

    Replies: @Anon

    Ramaphosa has powerful friends. There was a front-page expose of his corrupt deputy, and potential rival in the New York Times recently. Trump’s Tweet won’t be entirely unwelcome in Ramaphosa’s circles.

    Malema seems to be losing his mind, literally. Has started ranting about Jews trying to kill him or some such thing. Idi Amin syndrome seems to have struck early. Ramaphosa will stall until 2019.

    As for the Boers, they’re hooked on cheap black labor, and were too greedy to allow for a proper partition of South Africa on the terms of the white government.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon


    As for the Boers, they’re hooked on cheap black labor, and were too greedy to allow for a proper partition of South Africa on the terms of the white government.
     
    Physically magnificent, spiritually and emotionally cucked for a long, long time, that's the Boers in a nutshell.

    They butchered their language into a kindertaal for the benefit of outsiders, and created the God-damned Dutch Reformed Church, and slowly they went to hell.

    If they had kept the outside world out and been Jew-wise, Jew-skeptical, and as emotionally hard as they were physically hard they'd still have their country,although they never had the opportunity the Rhodesians had to be really a white country.

    Greed played a part-they wanted the profits from black labor-but it wasn't decisive. Cuckness was.

    Replies: @Corn

    , @NickG
    @Anon


    As for the Boers, they’re hooked on cheap black labor, and were too greedy to allow for a proper partition of South Africa on the terms of the white government.
     
    That's a myth; South Africa's unit labour cost is high. Not because individuals earn much, but because productivity is so low.
  137. @Twinkie
    @Steve Sailer


    Some Malay descent too.
     
    Cape Malay.

    Replies: @anon

    Coloureds who were Muslims became classified Cape Malays relatively recently. It’s hard to tell if they have significantly more East Asian ancestry than other Coloureds.

  138. @rational actor
    Speaking as someone with a personal interest in farming, I am confused about the rationale for land appropriation. Is there really some good reason to think that a bunch of peasants/urban layabouts are going to successfully run agricultural businesses, which is what farms today effectively are? Is there any reason to think that a reintroduction of peasant farming will feed millions of people, which is the purpose of farming? Isn't the world urbanizing, and don't SWJs think this is the best thing for us all because it confines us in one place and limits the damage to the environment? Are peasant farming practices truly environmentally friendly when practiced on a large scale? Yeah, I'm not waiting for answers. As I think iSteve once said, today South Africa, tomorrow Iowa.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Unladen Swallow, @Pericles

    Speaking as someone with a personal interest in farming, I am confused about the rationale for land appropriation. Is there really some good reason to think that a bunch of peasants/urban layabouts are going to successfully run agricultural businesses, which is what farms today effectively are?

    As we saw in Zimbabwe, they can’t and they won’t. But the purpose is not agricultural reform but to take the stuff of your enemies and give it to your allies.

    If things head south, as it were, there will always be Whitey V. Dumbass to bail everyone out afterwards. There is the infamous approach of privatizing the gains and socializing the losses, here we blackify the gains and whitify the losses.

  139. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.
     
    You are not God. No one besides Him knows the future.

    There is a weird, almost perverse, nightmarish sci-fi fantasy among some commenters here who dislike the present America so much that they imagine the worst possible, highly unlikely scenario. It’s like they almost want it to be that bad so that they can justify their own over-the-top pessimism and discontent (“I told you so; I said 25 years ago the country was FUBAR, because it was not to my liking”).

    Look, I am also unhappy about the direction of the country. I agree that there are many things that should be altered for the better. But South Africa? We are talking about a country with below average IQ whites, who in turn are only a small minority among a large super majority of highly uneducated, low IQ sub-Saharan Africans that have emerged from a serious internal conflict, including violent terrorism and authoritarian repression.

    Our future is not black. At worst, it will be beige.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Samuel Skinner, @TTSSYF, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    I actually agree with you here. You could see it in the run up to the election with the eeyorism and then afterwards with the cries of “betrayed!” every single damn day.

    Not everyone here thinks the only allowable form of resistance is doom masturbation on a niche blog.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  140. Pheasant [AKA "Peasant"] says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    The core problem with South Africa over the last quarter century seems to be a lack of acknowledgment of HBD and arithmetic by the government and its defenders in the West, which led to unrealistic expectations by its people.

    If you take HBD out of the picture, the only reason blacks were poorer than whites in South Africa was because of apartheid, and the only reason most of them, aside from the politically-connected black diamonds, are still poor is because the legacy of apartheid hasn't been fully remedied yet. Hence the latest proposed remedy.

    Basic arithmetic tells you that if you took the wealth of all of the South African whites and divided it among the other 91% of the country, the average South African wouldn't be as wealthy as the average white South African. What majority rule could and did do was create a black elite and a black middle class, and get rid of the humiliating de jure racial hierarchy of apartheid South Africa. What it couldn't do is offer more competent government or broader prosperity.

    The best part of Mandela's proscription against expropriation without fair compensation for South Africa is that it discouraged expropriation. Whether SA pays a fair price or not for the land it expropriates matters to the farm owners, but not to black South Africans. What will matter to them is that the new farm owners will likely be less competent than the current ones, leading to the downward spiral that happened in Zimbabwe.

    Replies: @Pheasant, @Samuel Skinner, @Anonymous, @NickG

    Yeah blacks will never be able to create wealth just consume it. They are no good at running businesses (the Indians run them all) as they are too improvident and too envious of each other. It is of course group differences that are the cause of White wealth and black poverty. Whites will create wealth anywhere, blacks will never create wealth left to their own devices.

    I reccomend to all here if they want to understand the mindset behind confiscations to read Gedaliah Braun’s (Eugene Valburg) Racism, guilt,self deciet and self hatred. It is available on Kindle. Please buy it first and ignore the excerpted parts available online- they do the book no justice. It really will change the way you think about race.

  141. Africans owe Europeans & Asians reparations for having driven them out of Africa.

    PLUS interest!!

  142. Anon[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sunbeam
    "On the other side of the debate, one could argue that since we do not support taking land away from European Americans, we cannot support taking land away from the Boers. I think most Americans would see that is the logical position if they don’t intend on giving their land back to the Natives."

    Wait a second chief. Logic doesn't have anything to do with this, or just about anything in the real world.

    Do you honestly think this kind of argument has any appeal or will resonate with anyone? Everyone pretty much just draws up battle lines on something like this based on ethnicity or cuck status.

    Tell ya what though. When every other tribe and group in the world makes a total commitment to the kind of moral calculus you present... then, and only then, will I personally see any credence in it.

    Personally though, I hope the Russians do open the floodgates to the Afrikaners. They need to leave that shithole and never look back. What possible upside is there to the place? What joy could you ever find living there?

    Five years from now that place will be FUBAR. Screw them. The best, most terrible punishment devisable by man is to leave them to their own devices. And if you are some kind of NGO employee, go do humanitarian efforts on your own dime, and die on your own dime.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon

    Personally though, I hope the Russians do open the floodgates to the Afrikaners.

    A few years ago, Zuma appeared in parliament looking visibly sick. Rumors started swirling that he had AIDS, or that one of his wives poisoned him. He had an extended trip to Russia, and when he returned, he was cured, and maybe some of that famous kompromat was manufactured.

    A few months later, South Africa signed up for a 100 billion USD nuclear power program with Russia. Was it a quid quo pro for Zuma being cured, or was it blackmail? In order to ram the nuclear deal through, Zuma dismissed his finance minister, replacing him with an unknown quantity, before seeing the currency collapse overnight, and bringing back another old hand to steady the ship. Full confidence did not return, and the economy has been anemic, at best, which has ironically made the nuclear deal even more unaffordable, and unneeded, since electricity consumption has dropped.

    The rise of Ramaphosa killed prospects for the nuclear deal. Coincidentally, Russian media suddenly took an interest in the Boers.

  143. @Anonymous
    This is all leading up to native american reparations for the entirety of U.S. territory.

    Replies: @Crew Cut Man, @The Alarmist, @ben tillman

    Yeah, right. The New Majority will finish the job the Old Majority left unfinished before they pay any reparations to the Indigenous Americans.

  144. @Steve Sailer
    @Art Deco

    Some Malay descent too.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @hhsiii

    In Mason & Dixon by Pynchon, they travel to cape of Good Hope to observe the Transit of Venus. There they find the Malays using a fish sauce called kat-yep or some such. Apparently originally from the Amoy dialect. Eventually evolving into ketchup.

    Also a long section on the disgusting smell of the fat from all the mutton. I guess ‘twas ever thus. Respec’ mah diversatah or you’ll be eating unadorned mutton all your days.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @hhsiii

    Ah, I stand somewhat corrected. Many Cape Malay dishes use mutton. But I guess that was the available meat. Rendered somewhat palatable by spices.

    Replies: @jeppo

  145. @hhsiii
    @Steve Sailer

    In Mason & Dixon by Pynchon, they travel to cape of Good Hope to observe the Transit of Venus. There they find the Malays using a fish sauce called kat-yep or some such. Apparently originally from the Amoy dialect. Eventually evolving into ketchup.

    Also a long section on the disgusting smell of the fat from all the mutton. I guess ‘twas ever thus. Respec’ mah diversatah or you’ll be eating unadorned mutton all your days.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    Ah, I stand somewhat corrected. Many Cape Malay dishes use mutton. But I guess that was the available meat. Rendered somewhat palatable by spices.

    • Replies: @jeppo
    @hhsiii

    Curried mutton pies and sausages are frickin DELICIOUS, best I've ever had.

  146. @attilathehen
    @Anonymous

    Argentina is fine. Brazil is a mess (over 55% black).

    South Africa is gone.

    (((Adam Serwer))) is a black/Jew. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/nation-of-islam/555332/

    He wants Brazil/South Africa as our future.

    Replies: @Ed, @The Wild Geese Howard, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Redneck farmer, @Anonymous

    Do you happen to know if the Cossacks stole Serwer’s great-grandfather’s land?

  147. white peoples deserve everything they get

    People of Color AGREE with me

  148. @Anonymous
    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it's not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Dave Pinsen, @kissinger, @Twinkie, @Stephen Paul Foster, @George, @Mark P Miller, @Anonymous

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Stephen Paul Foster


    Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail in 2016, not to be outdone by her former boss had this to add to the genetics of Obama: “We all have implicit biases. They are almost in the DNA going back probably millennia. And what we need to do is be more honest about that and surface them.”
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/20/hillary-tells-black-church-white-people-must-end-systemic-racism/#ixzz4bi9fezs7
     
    Good read. It's always fun (not to mention instructive) to read the Genius Girl at work.

    Millennia!

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  149. @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    The core problem with South Africa over the last quarter century seems to be a lack of acknowledgment of HBD and arithmetic by the government and its defenders in the West, which led to unrealistic expectations by its people.

    If you take HBD out of the picture, the only reason blacks were poorer than whites in South Africa was because of apartheid, and the only reason most of them, aside from the politically-connected black diamonds, are still poor is because the legacy of apartheid hasn't been fully remedied yet. Hence the latest proposed remedy.

    Basic arithmetic tells you that if you took the wealth of all of the South African whites and divided it among the other 91% of the country, the average South African wouldn't be as wealthy as the average white South African. What majority rule could and did do was create a black elite and a black middle class, and get rid of the humiliating de jure racial hierarchy of apartheid South Africa. What it couldn't do is offer more competent government or broader prosperity.

    The best part of Mandela's proscription against expropriation without fair compensation for South Africa is that it discouraged expropriation. Whether SA pays a fair price or not for the land it expropriates matters to the farm owners, but not to black South Africans. What will matter to them is that the new farm owners will likely be less competent than the current ones, leading to the downward spiral that happened in Zimbabwe.

    Replies: @Pheasant, @Samuel Skinner, @Anonymous, @NickG

    The core problem with South Africa over the last quarter century seems to be a lack of acknowledgment of HBD and arithmetic by the government and its defenders in the West, which led to unrealistic expectations by its people.

    Collectivization of farming in the USSR lead to famine killing millions in the 1930s. Just 20 years latter Maoist China collectivized their farms and proceeded to have a famine killing tens of millions.

    It isn’t lack of acknowledgement that is the issue. The policies are deliberately bad and designed to hurt as many people as possible. Why? Because people desire power and you demonstrate power by forcing change against opposition.

  150. @kissinger
    @Anonymous

    For Europe the future is definitely South Africa.

    I just cannot fathom why European elites truly seek to turn our continent into South Africa.

    Replies: @Samuel Skinner

    I just cannot fathom why European elites truly seek to turn our continent into South Africa.

    European elites aren’t having children. While this does feature significant religious insanity, their is a strong element of nihlism- they have no future and are going to deny it to everyone else.

  151. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.
     
    You are not God. No one besides Him knows the future.

    There is a weird, almost perverse, nightmarish sci-fi fantasy among some commenters here who dislike the present America so much that they imagine the worst possible, highly unlikely scenario. It’s like they almost want it to be that bad so that they can justify their own over-the-top pessimism and discontent (“I told you so; I said 25 years ago the country was FUBAR, because it was not to my liking”).

    Look, I am also unhappy about the direction of the country. I agree that there are many things that should be altered for the better. But South Africa? We are talking about a country with below average IQ whites, who in turn are only a small minority among a large super majority of highly uneducated, low IQ sub-Saharan Africans that have emerged from a serious internal conflict, including violent terrorism and authoritarian repression.

    Our future is not black. At worst, it will be beige.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Samuel Skinner, @TTSSYF, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    You don’t get it. Nearly the entire black population of South Africa emigrated from elsewhere. If our elite decide to ship in millions of Africans what is going to stop them? They are open about their goal being totally open borders and the extermination of the white race. There is no end state, no stopping point, no line they will not cross. This will continue until our elite have killed everyone or they are dead.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Samuel Skinner


    If our elite decide to ship in millions of Africans what is going to stop them?
     
    The thought that they might end up losing everything they own (much as in Zimbabwe), most of which is located stateside?

    Replies: @Samuel Skinner

    , @Twinkie
    @Samuel Skinner


    If our elite decide to ship in millions of Africans what is going to stop them?
     
    You mean the same elites who are using Hispanics and Asians to ethnically cleanse blacks from desirable urban areas?

    the extermination of the white race
     
    I thought the goal was to keep the white man down and humiliate him. You guys keep changing the Coalition of the Fringes mission statement - I get confused.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  152. @Anonymous
    @Desiderius


    Uh, we were there in roughly 1980. They weren’t a majority yet, but everyone knew whose ass to kiss.
     
    Who is "they"? Blacks aren't a majority.

    What were the two counts you were wrong about?

    Replies: @bomag, @Desiderius, @TTSSYF

    (1) Spending an untold number of hours on what he later recognized was a futile endeavor.
    (2) Believing that spending an untold number of hours on what he thought at the time was a worthwhile endeavor made him a good person.

  153. @LondonBob
    The Cape region has a large white population, perhaps a majority, and should make an independence bid. The problem is an independence movement needs powerful international supporters to provide aid and political cover to succeed. The question I have is can I demand property from blacks here in London if it is fine to do the reverse in Africa?

    Replies: @jeppo, @Anonymous

    The Cape region has a large white population, perhaps a majority, and should make an independence bid.

    The Western Cape (Cape Town’s province) is only 15.7% white. But the Coloureds make up almost half the population, so Bantus are only 32.8%, by far the lowest percentage in SA.

    Yes they should definitely make an independence bid.

  154. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.
     
    You are not God. No one besides Him knows the future.

    There is a weird, almost perverse, nightmarish sci-fi fantasy among some commenters here who dislike the present America so much that they imagine the worst possible, highly unlikely scenario. It’s like they almost want it to be that bad so that they can justify their own over-the-top pessimism and discontent (“I told you so; I said 25 years ago the country was FUBAR, because it was not to my liking”).

    Look, I am also unhappy about the direction of the country. I agree that there are many things that should be altered for the better. But South Africa? We are talking about a country with below average IQ whites, who in turn are only a small minority among a large super majority of highly uneducated, low IQ sub-Saharan Africans that have emerged from a serious internal conflict, including violent terrorism and authoritarian repression.

    Our future is not black. At worst, it will be beige.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Samuel Skinner, @TTSSYF, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    Our future may be beige, rather than black, but it’s still going to be far worse than what it was or what it could have been.

  155. @hhsiii
    @hhsiii

    Ah, I stand somewhat corrected. Many Cape Malay dishes use mutton. But I guess that was the available meat. Rendered somewhat palatable by spices.

    Replies: @jeppo

    Curried mutton pies and sausages are frickin DELICIOUS, best I’ve ever had.

  156. @Cagey Beast
    @Anonymous

    Yeah because we're like Malays in relation to the Chinese. We Whites are conquerors, inventors, settlers and governors, not a bunch of people acclimatised to picking tropical fruits.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    I think you misunderstood the analogy.

    In future America, whites, northeast Asians, and Brahmins will collectively be like the Chinese of present-day Malaysia. All the rest of the population will be like the Malays of present day Malaysia.

  157. @anonymous
    @Anonymous

    For the future of the US to be South Africa, it needs to be about 85% black.

    Where are those blacks going to come from?

    Presently 13% of America is black. It is projected that in 2050, 13% of America is going to be black.

    About 50% of births in America are white, 25% Latino, and 7% mixed white and Latino (with this category set to grow eventually becoming the majority if you consider those 1/8 Latino to still be mixed).

    America is built on Anglo institutions, not Portuguese or Spanish ones.

    The future is better than Brazil but worse than present day America. The future of America is likely Northern Italy.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @duncsbaby, @The Wild Geese Howard

    You need to drive around the city of Fargo, ND, sometime. Notice the kids waiting for the school bus in the morning. Observe their parents lining up to get on the bus during the day. Tell me how Blacks aren’t numerically challenging white demographics in the middle of the freaking country. The 2nd most spoken language at home in Fargo is Somali not Spanish. There are sizable numbers of Liberians, Sudanese, Nigerians, Ghanaians & even Congolese as well & their numbers increase every week, mostly by migration but by reproduction as well. The first generation is fairly law abiding & quiet but the kids are just another crop of American Blacks w/a chip on their shoulder. I wish I could live in the bubble you so evidently live in where the numbers of Blacks is not increasing in this county each passing day.

  158. @Anonymous
    @candid_observer

    Someone posted above that the United States gives South Africa $600 million every year.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @c matt

    $508 million last year.

    https://explorer.usaid.gov/cd/ZAF?measure=Obligations&fiscal_year=2017

    That a country with the vast mineral wealth needs aid from the US is frightening. And instructive.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Brutusale

    Need ain’t got nothin to do with it.

  159. @LondonBob
    The Cape region has a large white population, perhaps a majority, and should make an independence bid. The problem is an independence movement needs powerful international supporters to provide aid and political cover to succeed. The question I have is can I demand property from blacks here in London if it is fine to do the reverse in Africa?

    Replies: @jeppo, @Anonymous

    Western Cape (the province which includes Cape Town) is 17% white
    Northern Cape is only 7% white.
    Eastern Cape is only 4% white.

    Nowhere near a majority there.

  160. @gregor
    This morning there were numerous articles written seemingly in unison, hysterically denouncing Trump for tweeting "white nationalist" talking points.

    Here's an article by lady writer at Vox:

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/23/17772056/south-africa-trump-tweet-afriforum-white-farmers-violence

    She starts by dismissing it as white nationalist propaganda. Then she talks about how whites are racist because of apartheid. Then she talks more about how the whole thing is a right wing fabrication.

    Finally she admits that "white farmers have historically been the victims of violent attacks in South Africa" but then says we can't really be sure that it's racial and, ya know, the whites have it coming anyway, cuz apartheid.

    She then approvingly quotes what should be a contender for stupidest argument of the year:


    Moreover, Joe Walsh at the New Statesman found that murder rates in South Africa’s affluent, predominantly white suburbs are far lower than murder rates in the poor, predominantly black townships. “If there was any kind of genocide being carried out against white people in the country then the safest areas of the continent’s most dangerous city would not be predominately white,” Walsh wrote in May.
     
    Bonus: The original article I read this morning said that "Afrikaners" is a general term for white people in South Africa. They've since corrected it, but the humiliating correction now sits at the bottom of the page. Unbelievable that this lady who doesn't know what "Afrikaner" means presumes to lecture us about the history of South Africa.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    My policy is to check the author’s profile whenever possible. When the profile has information like this woman’s, where we see that she’s a middle-aged bleached blonde who describes the love of her life as her Boston Terrier, I click the back arrow immediately.

  161. @prime noticer
    (adam serwer), of course.

    i am friends with a well to do family that owns a big family farm in south africa. the guy i know, an IT guy who came to the states in the 90s, moved to the states, while his wife, daughter of the farm family he married into, used to split her time between south africa and the US. they have kids together, so it got complicated about where the kids would live and go to school. they are both dual citizens.

    they could never agree on US or south africa, and eventually, they divorced over this, and other things. my friend stayed in the US permanently, whereas his wife, who always hated the US, moved back to south africa permanently, where her family retains their farm and other businesses.

    a few years ago, guys came to the farm and murdered her brother. i'm sure my friend has tried to convince her to leave south africa, being his ex wife notwithstanding. it's only a matter of time until they appropriate their farm, or come to kill the rest of them, then take the farm. and i'm sure my friend doesn't want to see that.

    yet she hates the US, and will probably never leave south africa. it's time to leave. but she'd rather die on her long time family farm, than leave near certain doom, even if it means her kids have no future either.

    this woman won't leave south africa now, and plans to stay, even in the face of certain death - she is a US citizen and could leave anytime. what does she think? that her 20 year old kids have a future in south africa? that they'll have some 40 year career there in professional jobs? after the africans done with the farmers, guess who's next?

    europeans are in big trouble. a lot of them can't change the collision course of doom they're on, even when it's staring them in the face.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    If she really likes Africa, she could go to Rwanda – something which I know a lot of SA whites were doing already. Its much healthier for the future, and its still in Africa.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Daniel Chieh

    I fear Rwanda is Rwanda only because of Paul Kagame. Historically, pinning the country's stability to a single nuclear family is pretty fragile.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @The Wild Geese Howard

  162. @Anonymous
    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it's not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Dave Pinsen, @kissinger, @Twinkie, @Stephen Paul Foster, @George, @Mark P Miller, @Anonymous

    “Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.” It won’t be ugly either.

    The US still has democratic and constitutional aspects. For example, while new immigrants are purposely second class citizens, their children are first class citizens.

    White, mostly Afrikaner, South Africans monopolized government jobs and pensions for decades, maybe a century. Majority rule in SA came as a shock for Afrikaners as Whites lost easy access to government jobs and pensions. This will probably happen in the US, but in the US the transition from white supremacist government to Asian/Hispanic supremacist government will be more evolutionary as the voters become more non white and more pain free.

    White supremacist governor of California Grey Davis enshrined white privilege in California by requiring the new Asian and Hispanic taxpayers to support greatly enhanced pensions and benefits for the last holdouts of White privilege namely government workers. During the transition from white to non white taxpayers the pension scheme was enhanced for the largely white government retirees but no attempt at requiring the still largely white taxpayers to fund it was made. So the responsibility for paying the aging whites pensions will fall to the current mostly Asian and Hispanic taxpayers.

    So far attempts for the current, non white, taxpayers to wriggle free of past obligations to white retirees has mostly consisted of defaults on some municipal debts, for example, in Vallejo Ca. I vaguely remember the largest victim of the Vallejo default being a subsidiary of a Japanese Bank.

    Something to watch: Joint Select Committee on Solvency of Multiemployer Pension Plans. While not exclusively white, this is not Apartheid SA, multiemployer plan retirees are mostly old white people. Their chance to get a lump sum bailout is slipping away as the country becomes less white. The multi employer retirees are vulnerable as they are old white private sector workers like teamsters. They are unsympathetic to me as they did little during their youth to ensure the prosperity of their offspring or even future ‘brother’ workers and seem to be demanding a bailout from elites largely on the basis that they went along with the program.

    • Replies: @Seth Largo
    @George

    While not exclusively white, this is not Apartheid SA, multiemployer plan retirees are mostly old white people. Their chance to get a lump sum bailout is slipping away as the country becomes less white.

    So you're telling me the left-leaning non-whites in California are going to turn into Ron Paul voters and curtail excess government spending by gutting civil pensions? Right on!! I bet they'll ban government spending on abortion clinics after that.

  163. @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    The core problem with South Africa over the last quarter century seems to be a lack of acknowledgment of HBD and arithmetic by the government and its defenders in the West, which led to unrealistic expectations by its people.

    If you take HBD out of the picture, the only reason blacks were poorer than whites in South Africa was because of apartheid, and the only reason most of them, aside from the politically-connected black diamonds, are still poor is because the legacy of apartheid hasn't been fully remedied yet. Hence the latest proposed remedy.

    Basic arithmetic tells you that if you took the wealth of all of the South African whites and divided it among the other 91% of the country, the average South African wouldn't be as wealthy as the average white South African. What majority rule could and did do was create a black elite and a black middle class, and get rid of the humiliating de jure racial hierarchy of apartheid South Africa. What it couldn't do is offer more competent government or broader prosperity.

    The best part of Mandela's proscription against expropriation without fair compensation for South Africa is that it discouraged expropriation. Whether SA pays a fair price or not for the land it expropriates matters to the farm owners, but not to black South Africans. What will matter to them is that the new farm owners will likely be less competent than the current ones, leading to the downward spiral that happened in Zimbabwe.

    Replies: @Pheasant, @Samuel Skinner, @Anonymous, @NickG

    and get rid of the humiliating de jure racial hierarchy of apartheid South Africa.

    What was humiliating about apartheid?

  164. How many South African white farmers have to be murdered and/or dispossessed of their land without compensation before the main stream western media mentions the phrase ‘responsibility to protect’ in the same breath/article/report/op-Ed? You remember R2P don’t you? As I recall it was a big thing a few years ago. I wonder what the numbers are on use of that phrase? Whether it’s a real who-whom, R2P for thee but not for me type of thing as I suspect, or whether I’m suffering from a selection bias in where I get the news, or what.

  165. FWIW, Trump tweeted about ‘farmers’ not ‘white farmers’ being murdered. He also tweeted about land expropriation of ‘white farmers’.

  166. @Anonymous
    This is all leading up to native american reparations for the entirety of U.S. territory.

    Replies: @Crew Cut Man, @The Alarmist, @ben tillman

    This is all leading up to native american reparations for the entirety of U.S. territory.

    No, it’s not. The Indians must be ignored because the Left claims the same territory.

  167. South Africa is being destroyed by South African Blacks.

    A South African Black I saw on the internet said Blacks might just impoverish and pauperize South Africa, but at least Blacks will be running the place. There is irrefutable power politics logic in that.

    I want the Blacks in South Africa to repudiate all foreign debt and accept no more fiat currency loans. That will be a test of whether the Big Man African chieftain who runs South Africa is for real about political power or just a stooge for WHITE EXTRACTION INTERESTS.

    Tweets from 2015:

  168. @Mr. Blank
    I predict that the dull, technocratic way this whole story is being reported is going to be the occasion for another round of red pilling. Seriously, I was reading a news report earlier that blandly explained that there's no story here, no big deal, because everything is being done "legally," by the book.

    Look, Zimbabwe/Rhodesia was pretty easy to sweep under the rug, because who the hell has ever heard of Zimbabdesia or whatever. But South Africa is a big, important country with huge media visibility. If government engineered anti-white pogroms send the place into a nosedive, that will be very hard to hide. And somehow I don't think the standard leftist line — that all these people had it coming for having the temerity to be white and live in South Africa — is going to win over a lot of people watching the whole thing from afar.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Crew Cut Man, @Ball Kin, @anon, @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @MBlanc46

    If government engineered anti-white pogroms send the place into a nosedive, that will be very hard to hide.

    No, it won’t. The Left can hide anything from the brainwashed majority.

  169. @Sam Haysom
    @Cagey Beast

    This is why this place is so often a trash heap. Mark Steyn isn’t good enough for the people here. If you aren’t shouting “get ready the ovens are coming back” at elderly Jews in Palm Beach then you are just a neo-con.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @BenKenobi, @Matra

    Tell you what, you start at Mark Steyn, and I’ll start at the ovens. Then we’ll meet in the middle.

  170. @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    The core problem with South Africa over the last quarter century seems to be a lack of acknowledgment of HBD and arithmetic by the government and its defenders in the West, which led to unrealistic expectations by its people.

    If you take HBD out of the picture, the only reason blacks were poorer than whites in South Africa was because of apartheid, and the only reason most of them, aside from the politically-connected black diamonds, are still poor is because the legacy of apartheid hasn't been fully remedied yet. Hence the latest proposed remedy.

    Basic arithmetic tells you that if you took the wealth of all of the South African whites and divided it among the other 91% of the country, the average South African wouldn't be as wealthy as the average white South African. What majority rule could and did do was create a black elite and a black middle class, and get rid of the humiliating de jure racial hierarchy of apartheid South Africa. What it couldn't do is offer more competent government or broader prosperity.

    The best part of Mandela's proscription against expropriation without fair compensation for South Africa is that it discouraged expropriation. Whether SA pays a fair price or not for the land it expropriates matters to the farm owners, but not to black South Africans. What will matter to them is that the new farm owners will likely be less competent than the current ones, leading to the downward spiral that happened in Zimbabwe.

    Replies: @Pheasant, @Samuel Skinner, @Anonymous, @NickG

    Yup average IQ in SA is 72 – from IQ and the Wealth of the Nations by Richard Lynn.

  171. @Sam Haysom
    @Cagey Beast

    This is why this place is so often a trash heap. Mark Steyn isn’t good enough for the people here. If you aren’t shouting “get ready the ovens are coming back” at elderly Jews in Palm Beach then you are just a neo-con.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @BenKenobi, @Matra

    I’ve been reading Steyn since the 90s, so I generally like him. However, it was so damn obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense and a bit of worldly experience – which Steyn has having grown up in different countries – after 9/11 that immigration was the issue and that as tragic as 9/11 was it was also a golden opportunity, with a president at 90%+ approval, to finally do something constructive about immigration control that would save the nation from a demographic disaster. Instead the entire conservative media pushed for a mindbogglingly stupid (from an American perspective) war in Iraq. Steyn, along with Coulter and just about every prominent right wing commentator blew it. Big time. Since then Steyn, after being one of the best salesmen for Iraq, has been pushed out of NR as he’s no longer useful to the neocons. At this stage even he – like Coulter – probably wishes he’d done things differently after 9/11 but it’s too late. He failed. What good are conservative spokesmen if they are blind to existential issues?

    BTW equating not liking Steyn with tossing elderly Jews into ovens makes you look hysterical.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    @Matra

    Steyn was the first mainstream conservative commentator to hit the demography is destiny button hard. This is what I mean- you and others like are so incensed by the fact that “the Jews pulled one over on us in Iraq” that you are incapable of rationally analyzing people. I didn’t want to invade Iraq either but Mark Steyn has done more than any commenter other than maybe Coulter to bring demography into mainstream discussions.

    Meanwhile what have Giraldi and Unz and the other Israel sucks paleos done about the issue. Unz actively assisted in the displacement of white culture in california. The difference between you and me is that you’d happily accept the Brazilification of the US if it meant Israel was destroyed whereas I really don’t think much about Israel except when I’m at Unz and it comes up in every single discussion.

    Replies: @Matra, @HA

    , @MBlanc46
    @Matra

    George W. Bush—BUSH!— do something positive about immigration control? Surely you jest.

  172. My suggestion to the white farmers:

    Sell it, salt it, skedaddle. You may get only 1/10th the value (and therefore salting it would only make the “buyers” get what they deserve, but better than getting killed.

  173. The ADL is attacking President Trump for pointing out that White South African farmers are being raped, brutalized and killed by Black South African insurgents.

    The ADL supports the use of mass immigration as a demographic weapon to attack and destroy European Christian nations.

    The ADL is an anti-White front group for the globalizers.

    The ADL wants to censor debate about nation-wrecking mass immigration and multicultural mayhem.

    The ADL is pushing White Genocide through its fanatical support for mass immigration.

  174. @Anonymous
    @candid_observer

    Someone posted above that the United States gives South Africa $600 million every year.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @c matt

    Aid, bribe . . . tomayto, tomahto.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @c matt

    Bribe? What is the United States bribing them to do?

  175. @Anonymous
    @Mr. Blank

    This is naive. We've been here before, half a dozen times before in living memory, beginning with the Congo massacres of the early 1960s. Nobody cares what happens to whites in Africa. Not then, not now.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    No, I think the powers that be care very much, with goal being to get them out of there so that Africa can return to its historic death rates.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Desiderius


    No, I think the powers that be care very much, with goal being to get them out of there so that Africa can return to its historic death rates.
     
    What were the historic death rates of the Bushmen, the only people who were in the territory 500 years ago?
  176. @Cagey Beast
    @Bragadocious

    Quite right. If we Canadians, Brits, Australians and Kiwis could find the middle ground between Remembrance Day patriotism and fashionable ethno-masochism, we might be able to see and hear the Afrikaner story.

    The last Governor-General of South Africa spent part of his childhood in a British concentration camp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._R._Swart . That slice of truth is in the ultraviolet or infrared range for both patriotards and shitlibs. It means nothing to them.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Matra

    So it’s just the Anglos who don’t want to hear the Afrikaner story? You really are obsessed with this evil Anglos are to blame for everything narrative. (Bragadocious is such a parody of a Plastic I sometimes think he’s having us all on).

    Most Afrikaners have Dutch and French ancestors. Are those countries more concerned about them than Anglo right wingers? I’ve watched French news over the last couple of nights and have just glanced at several Paris-based newspapers and see no mention of what’s happening in SA. I’ve heard of Flemish nationalists protesting but doubt Belgium as a whole is too concerned. During the Apartheid years the Dutch were more hostile to their cousins in SA than the US, UK, or Australia – though not Brian Mulroney’s Canada. The Irish still brag about how unlike the racist Americans and Brits (well, English Tories and Ulstermen) they were always pro-ANC and pro-sanctions. What about the Catholic Church? Shouldn’t it make amends for its past role oppressing the Huguenot ancestors of today’s Afrikaners. A lot of them wouldn’t have left Europe for SA in the first place if it weren’t for the Catholic Church.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Matra

    I'm from the Anglosphere so I care most about how it's misruled.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom

    , @Bragadocious
    @Matra

    And what are you but a parody of a Limey apologist douchebag.

    It's funny how the Brits all pull the "plastic paddy" card when their behavior is criticized. When on defense, play offense. Britannia 101.

    For the record, the Brits invaded South Africa -- twice. And invented concentration camps there. Such a creative people. Lobbing insults won't change this record, despite what you think.

    And when the Brits could no long kill Boers with bullets, they deployed their soft power -- Peter Gabriel and Elvis Costello and others who crafted loving dirges to the extermination of Afrikaners.

    But yeah, whatabout the Dutch, whatabout whatabout whatabout. You're an imbecile.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom, @Anonymous

  177. @Brutusale
    @Anonymous

    $508 million last year.

    https://explorer.usaid.gov/cd/ZAF?measure=Obligations&fiscal_year=2017

    That a country with the vast mineral wealth needs aid from the US is frightening. And instructive.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Need ain’t got nothin to do with it.

  178. @istevefan
    @27 year old

    Very good questions. They need to be forced to answer those questions. After all the USA is a settler nation just like old SA was. The US government divvied out land to Europeans to homestead. The US put Indians on reservations. How is that much different that what happened in South Africa? If you support it in South Africa, you must support it in the USA,unless of course you are a hypocrite.

    I'd really like to see the likes of Schumer and Pelosi have to answer this question.

    On the other side of the debate, one could argue that since we do not support taking land away from European Americans, we cannot support taking land away from the Boers. I think most Americans would see that is the logical position if they don't intend on giving their land back to the Natives.

    Replies: @27 year old

    I think most Americans would see that is the logical position if they don’t intend on giving their land back to the Natives.

    This should be such a slam dunk for GOP but of course lol

    “My opponent wants to seize your house and give it to somebody else”

  179. @Daniel Chieh
    @prime noticer

    If she really likes Africa, she could go to Rwanda - something which I know a lot of SA whites were doing already. Its much healthier for the future, and its still in Africa.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    I fear Rwanda is Rwanda only because of Paul Kagame. Historically, pinning the country’s stability to a single nuclear family is pretty fragile.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Better than just about any possible situation in SA, though. Its pretty much going to be civil war there, with or without input from the whites. Place is fracturing hard.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    What about Botswana? I know HIV is rampant, but they seem to have a stable economy and some development happening.

  180. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032954224529817600

  181. When the white owned farms were confiscated in Zimbabwe, the NYT was fairly critical of it. Things have changed a lot since then.

  182. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Daniel Chieh

    I fear Rwanda is Rwanda only because of Paul Kagame. Historically, pinning the country's stability to a single nuclear family is pretty fragile.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Better than just about any possible situation in SA, though. Its pretty much going to be civil war there, with or without input from the whites. Place is fracturing hard.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Daniel Chieh

    The big Xhosa vs. Zulu showdown is coming. The whites are no longer rulers of SA but it's still not clear who is going to succeed them. It will be like the Shona vs. Matabele showdown in Zimbabwe in the 1980s, but 100x more bloody.

    Replies: @PaulS

  183. @Anthony Wayne
    I always thought this stuff would work its way into the mainstream like Roterham eventually did. Trump pushed the envelope here, as did Drudge. We’ll see how the media treat this in the coming months, could be a watershed for fake news.

    O/T: South Korea’s Little League World Series team has the tallest average height of any competing this year.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian, @Anon

    A little HGH in the sports drink? Better nutrition can account for some changes in height, but to blow past all other competitors in that regard… Also, any possibility that there have been some games played with the reported ages of the Korean competitors? Bears watching.

  184. @Matra
    @Sam Haysom

    I've been reading Steyn since the 90s, so I generally like him. However, it was so damn obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense and a bit of worldly experience - which Steyn has having grown up in different countries - after 9/11 that immigration was the issue and that as tragic as 9/11 was it was also a golden opportunity, with a president at 90%+ approval, to finally do something constructive about immigration control that would save the nation from a demographic disaster. Instead the entire conservative media pushed for a mindbogglingly stupid (from an American perspective) war in Iraq. Steyn, along with Coulter and just about every prominent right wing commentator blew it. Big time. Since then Steyn, after being one of the best salesmen for Iraq, has been pushed out of NR as he's no longer useful to the neocons. At this stage even he - like Coulter - probably wishes he'd done things differently after 9/11 but it's too late. He failed. What good are conservative spokesmen if they are blind to existential issues?

    BTW equating not liking Steyn with tossing elderly Jews into ovens makes you look hysterical.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom, @MBlanc46

    Steyn was the first mainstream conservative commentator to hit the demography is destiny button hard. This is what I mean- you and others like are so incensed by the fact that “the Jews pulled one over on us in Iraq” that you are incapable of rationally analyzing people. I didn’t want to invade Iraq either but Mark Steyn has done more than any commenter other than maybe Coulter to bring demography into mainstream discussions.

    Meanwhile what have Giraldi and Unz and the other Israel sucks paleos done about the issue. Unz actively assisted in the displacement of white culture in california. The difference between you and me is that you’d happily accept the Brazilification of the US if it meant Israel was destroyed whereas I really don’t think much about Israel except when I’m at Unz and it comes up in every single discussion.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Sam Haysom

    Meanwhile what have Giraldi and Unz and the other Israel sucks paleos done about the issue.

    There's not much paleos can do since they are shut out of the MSM by bootlicking conservatards. Buchanan is the only one who has had MSM time and yet when he ran for president the traitors of Conservative Inc. smeared him non-stop.

    , @HA
    @Sam Haysom

    ">Steyn was the first mainstream conservative commentator to hit the demography is destiny button hard."

    Precisely. From his wiki:


    Steyn's work America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It is a New York Times bestselling nonfiction book published in 2006. It deals with the global war on terror and wider issues of demographics in Muslim and non-Muslim populations. It has been widely praised by conservative commentators, and recommended by George W. Bush.
     
    The entry mentions that Hitchens thought it was too hard on Muslims and that it got Steyn into legal trouble (later dismissed) with "Ontario Human Rights Commission", some north-of-the-border proxy for SPLC.

    In any case, that means it took him a good 2-3 years after 9/11 to change course enough to put together a book showcasing the failures of multi-cult immigration. And yet, despite that, he is now regarded as having "failed" and being "blind to existential issues" by the pearl-clutchers of unz.com who evidently reach for their smelling salts whenever his name is mentioned. How many books did any of them publish between September 2001 and 2006, I wonder?

    Who anoints these gatekeepers of ideological purity, anyway? Are they plants sent out by David Brock or George Soros maybe? Probably not, but that would actually make a lot more sense than being anyone who isn't out to shoot themselves in the foot.

    It's like some of the clowns here are dead set against anything that could lead to success, preferring to wallow instead in the failure that they think is inevitable when one is too good and pure for this wicked world. In the end, you've got to work with what you've got. And people here could do a whole lot worse than getting the likes of Steyn or Coulter.

    Replies: @Matra

  185. @Samuel Skinner
    @Twinkie

    You don't get it. Nearly the entire black population of South Africa emigrated from elsewhere. If our elite decide to ship in millions of Africans what is going to stop them? They are open about their goal being totally open borders and the extermination of the white race. There is no end state, no stopping point, no line they will not cross. This will continue until our elite have killed everyone or they are dead.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Twinkie

    If our elite decide to ship in millions of Africans what is going to stop them?

    The thought that they might end up losing everything they own (much as in Zimbabwe), most of which is located stateside?

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
    @Johann Ricke

    That hasn't stopped Europe's elite, it isn't going to stop ours.

  186. @anony-mouse
    Soooo...

    White farmers are trying to leave SA? But are they-haven't seen a lot. Some talk about Russia and Australia but so far no more than that. Has a single one been either blocked from leaving or prevented from entering anywhere?

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqdyyHJb_SE&feature=youtu.be

    About possible emigration to Russia.

    The Boers, descendants of Dutch colonists in today’s South Africa, are increasingly under threat from black racism. Murders of isolated Boer farmers have become pretty common in recent times.

    This may be the first wave of Boers to leave the land that has been home to them for about 300 years, and Russia welcomes them to strengthen their agriculture in Southern Russia. The Russians greatly profited from opening their country to productive German immigrants about 300 years ago, many of whom were fleeing religious persecution in their native lands (like my Pennsylvania Deutsch ancestors to Pennsylvania…), so there is a tradition.

    Try this in the US, and the same leftists so enamored of opening our borders to completely unassimilable hordes from the Third World, would go fucking ballistic. Why, they’re white, Christian, probably Nazis! Makes you think, doesn’t it?

    I’d take these people as neighbors any day; hard-working, proud to make their living with the work of their hands and minds, and striving to be self-sufficient, and even contributory. Compare and contrast with the Third World welfare-grabbers the Democrats want to flood us with so that they can have a permanent client class to vote for them.

  187. @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    And a solid reputation as a highly intelligent and competant administrator. That was an argument against the evidence of one's own eyes when he started appropriation talk: surely this guy is "one of us," surely he's sane, surely if he does it he won't go full Zimbabwean, surely he's just giving this idea lip service to pacify idiots like Malema.

    Replies: @SporadicMyrmidon, @Vendetta, @PaulS

    If you look into the background of Robert Mugabe you will also find that he was considered to be intelligent, studious, diligent. He put off action against the white farmers for many years until popular pressure had become too much to resist and he needed something to shore up his own declining popularity.

    Ramaphosa may think he is smarter than Mugabe and has the benefit of hindsight, and therefore things will somehow turn out differently for him. And things may indeed be a literal different for him, or may have been if Trump hadn’t just decided to break the party line on South Africa.

    Robert Mugabe was on the West’s naughty list to begin with. He was outspokenly anti-colonialist, aligned with the Soviet Union during the Cold War and then – for a time – was one of the most welcoming leaders in Africa to Chinese and North Korean influence.

    South Africa’s government is not on the naughty list. They’re on the nice list. They’re a democracy, not a regime. Compare what the US had to say about how the Iraqis managed to take back Mosul to what it had to say about the Syrians retaking Aleppo.

    Zimbabwe’s hyperinflation and economic collapse game about as a result of panicked withdrawal of Western investment and economic aid – which came about as a result of honest reporting on what Mugabe’s government was doing.

    If on the other hand Ramaphosa’s government was able to carry out its confiscations while ‘international opinion’ and the ‘free press’ remained obligingly silent on the matter, then perhaps they could get away with it without any immediate economic shock. Production would of course plummet in the months and years to come, but perhaps the ANC reckon that’s a price worth paying if it buys them another 20 years of one-party rule. South Africa is not quite like Rhodesia anyway, where agriculture was the lifeblood of the economy. In South Africa, that’s mining.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Vendetta

    African leaders have this severe divide in how they are characterized, arbitrarily starting with Lumumba, where they are murderous beyond any Machiavellian pragmatism but the Mighty Wurlitzer swears until it's blue that they are peaceful humanitarians. People abroad generally don't know anything about Africa and the record is solid (it gets a named law, Matt Johnson's, in the case of Western depictions of Russia, but it's unversally true) that the media and the experts lie through their teeth when they think they can get away with it. This divide rolls into subsequent events and controls reactions: Eastern Europe (acting on the premise that Patrice was a man of peace) set up government-sanctioned demonstrations (Wiki):


    After the announcement of Lumumba's death, street protests were organized in several European countries; in Belgrade, capital of Yugoslavia, protesters sacked the Belgian embassy and confronted the police, and in London, a crowd marched from Trafalgar Square to the Belgian embassy, where a letter of protest was delivered and where protesters clashed with police.[78] In New York City, a demonstration at the United Nations Security Council turned violent and spilled over into the streets.[79][80]
     
    The most severe case of course is school bomber Nelson Mandela, who chose to stay in prison rather than renounce the deliberate murder of children, but who is understood by all educated people to be a martyr for nonviolence.
  188. @anonymous
    @Anonymous

    For the future of the US to be South Africa, it needs to be about 85% black.

    Where are those blacks going to come from?

    Presently 13% of America is black. It is projected that in 2050, 13% of America is going to be black.

    About 50% of births in America are white, 25% Latino, and 7% mixed white and Latino (with this category set to grow eventually becoming the majority if you consider those 1/8 Latino to still be mixed).

    America is built on Anglo institutions, not Portuguese or Spanish ones.

    The future is better than Brazil but worse than present day America. The future of America is likely Northern Italy.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @duncsbaby, @The Wild Geese Howard

    The future of America is likely Northern Italy

    You spelled, “Southern Italy,” funny.

  189. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Daniel Chieh

    I fear Rwanda is Rwanda only because of Paul Kagame. Historically, pinning the country's stability to a single nuclear family is pretty fragile.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @The Wild Geese Howard

    What about Botswana? I know HIV is rampant, but they seem to have a stable economy and some development happening.

  190. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.
     
    You are not God. No one besides Him knows the future.

    There is a weird, almost perverse, nightmarish sci-fi fantasy among some commenters here who dislike the present America so much that they imagine the worst possible, highly unlikely scenario. It’s like they almost want it to be that bad so that they can justify their own over-the-top pessimism and discontent (“I told you so; I said 25 years ago the country was FUBAR, because it was not to my liking”).

    Look, I am also unhappy about the direction of the country. I agree that there are many things that should be altered for the better. But South Africa? We are talking about a country with below average IQ whites, who in turn are only a small minority among a large super majority of highly uneducated, low IQ sub-Saharan Africans that have emerged from a serious internal conflict, including violent terrorism and authoritarian repression.

    Our future is not black. At worst, it will be beige.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Samuel Skinner, @TTSSYF, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    Setting aside skin color and population, there are ideological and legal precedents in South Africa for SJW behavior here. From monument desecration to winking at “spontaneous” violence which just happens to achieve goals (or excusing it as economic and not racial) it can be said that South Africa showed them the way.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @J.Ross

    Yes, the monument-smashing mania began in South Africa and only later spread to the U.S.

  191. @SporadicMyrmidon
    @J.Ross

    That is exactly what I thought (and I think I said as much here earlier as Anonymous). What gives? What is he doing? Is he trying for a narrow path where he somehow doesn't go full Zimbabwe because the Anglo-SJW-Jewish SA whites stick with him for the short term and the world financial community doesn't panic? My understanding is that he was somehow "picked" to be a very rich black and given windfall deals to keep him in line. But I presume he is astute enough to understand this and to grasp that Malema can destroy him. But I really didn't think he would get this going, so I've gotten something wrong.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I like the argument that he won’t do anything crazy because he’s a billionaire. Doesn’t that just underline his independence?

    • Replies: @SporadicMyrmidon
    @J.Ross

    I'm not certain that I'm reading your comment correctly, but I think you are raising a quite complex issue. Along some metrics, billionaires obviously feel an extraordinary degree of independence. But along other metrics, many billionaires are extremely constrained. I suppose it makes a great deal of difference what sort of wealth is involved, which is one of the reasons Trump, who seems to mostly own real stuff, can say what he wants on some level. But I suspect many billionaires have focused much of their lives on the details of how to acquire the wealth, and not on the interesting psychological and philosophical questions of what they can "get away with".

    Replies: @J.Ross

  192. @Matra
    @Cagey Beast

    So it's just the Anglos who don't want to hear the Afrikaner story? You really are obsessed with this evil Anglos are to blame for everything narrative. (Bragadocious is such a parody of a Plastic I sometimes think he's having us all on).

    Most Afrikaners have Dutch and French ancestors. Are those countries more concerned about them than Anglo right wingers? I've watched French news over the last couple of nights and have just glanced at several Paris-based newspapers and see no mention of what's happening in SA. I've heard of Flemish nationalists protesting but doubt Belgium as a whole is too concerned. During the Apartheid years the Dutch were more hostile to their cousins in SA than the US, UK, or Australia - though not Brian Mulroney's Canada. The Irish still brag about how unlike the racist Americans and Brits (well, English Tories and Ulstermen) they were always pro-ANC and pro-sanctions. What about the Catholic Church? Shouldn't it make amends for its past role oppressing the Huguenot ancestors of today's Afrikaners. A lot of them wouldn't have left Europe for SA in the first place if it weren't for the Catholic Church.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Bragadocious

    I’m from the Anglosphere so I care most about how it’s misruled.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    @Cagey Beast

    Which is why you spend a bunch of time shilling for Putin? You need to have two handles if you want to play this game. Your allegiances are too out in the open to play the “I’m just harder on my team” game. And for the record every one sees through that gambit these days- healthy people aren’t actually harder on what the like best they are more protective of it. They especially don’t engage in relentless concern troll and motive questioning of that which they esteem. You are quite lustful in your support of Putin and exceedingly forgiving an defensive of him.

  193. @Anonymous
    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it's not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Dave Pinsen, @kissinger, @Twinkie, @Stephen Paul Foster, @George, @Mark P Miller, @Anonymous

    But African American TFR is nowhere near subsaharan Africans. Plus AAs are less African than their cousins, on average, so that probably counts for something.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mark P Miller

    There's this thing called immigration. Perhaps you've heard of it.

  194. @candid_observer
    I'm kind of puzzled by Trump's tweets on South Africa.

    He said he wants Pompeo to study what's going on there with the farms being taken over by the government. But what does he have in mind here? What could we do about it?

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous, @L Woods, @Mark P Miller

    e.g. fast track Boer emigration a la Russia and (hopefully) Australia.

  195. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    No it doesn’t. It only needs to be 85% non-white.
     
    Because all non-whites are the same. I mean who doesn’t look at people from Sierra Leon and those from Japan and say “There go all those non-whites. All the same. The lot of them.”

    Replies: @Seth Largo, @Anonymous

    The Left’s goal is indeed to divide the world into White and Non-White. Chinese in South Africa are officially “black.”

    https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2008/06/19/in-south-africa-chinese-is-the-new-black/

    Of course, thankfully, a non-trivial number of those who are neither white nor black refuse to play that game.

  196. @Matra
    @Cagey Beast

    So it's just the Anglos who don't want to hear the Afrikaner story? You really are obsessed with this evil Anglos are to blame for everything narrative. (Bragadocious is such a parody of a Plastic I sometimes think he's having us all on).

    Most Afrikaners have Dutch and French ancestors. Are those countries more concerned about them than Anglo right wingers? I've watched French news over the last couple of nights and have just glanced at several Paris-based newspapers and see no mention of what's happening in SA. I've heard of Flemish nationalists protesting but doubt Belgium as a whole is too concerned. During the Apartheid years the Dutch were more hostile to their cousins in SA than the US, UK, or Australia - though not Brian Mulroney's Canada. The Irish still brag about how unlike the racist Americans and Brits (well, English Tories and Ulstermen) they were always pro-ANC and pro-sanctions. What about the Catholic Church? Shouldn't it make amends for its past role oppressing the Huguenot ancestors of today's Afrikaners. A lot of them wouldn't have left Europe for SA in the first place if it weren't for the Catholic Church.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Bragadocious

    And what are you but a parody of a Limey apologist douchebag.

    It’s funny how the Brits all pull the “plastic paddy” card when their behavior is criticized. When on defense, play offense. Britannia 101.

    For the record, the Brits invaded South Africa — twice. And invented concentration camps there. Such a creative people. Lobbing insults won’t change this record, despite what you think.

    And when the Brits could no long kill Boers with bullets, they deployed their soft power — Peter Gabriel and Elvis Costello and others who crafted loving dirges to the extermination of Afrikaners.

    But yeah, whatabout the Dutch, whatabout whatabout whatabout. You’re an imbecile.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    @Bragadocious

    I seem to recall Costello signing some wailing dirges in mourning for you PPs. That was different I guess.

    , @Anonymous
    @Bragadocious

    The only nation in the world that supported the Boers in the Apartheid years was Israel.

  197. “We have not called for the killing of all white people – at least for now.” Even HuffPo reported Malema saying this.

    https://m.huffingtonpost.co.za/2018/06/12/malema-we-have-not-called-for-the-killing-of-white-people-at-least-for-now_a_23456601/

    “At least for now.” But of course, there is no plan to kill whites. The NYT and WaPo just told me so. Trump is wrong!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Hapalong Cassidy


    “We have not called for the killing of all white people – at least for now.”
     
    One wonders just how much more explicit they need to be.

    Unfortunately, we know: when the guns and machetes come out, the MSM hides.
  198. @Johann Ricke
    @Samuel Skinner


    If our elite decide to ship in millions of Africans what is going to stop them?
     
    The thought that they might end up losing everything they own (much as in Zimbabwe), most of which is located stateside?

    Replies: @Samuel Skinner

    That hasn’t stopped Europe’s elite, it isn’t going to stop ours.

  199. @Mike P.
    @Anonymous

    Would those countries then require a bailout? Because we presently give South Africa ~$600 million annually in aid. No doubt they'll need more after all the whites leave.

    Replies: @Simply Simon

    Isn’t it a bit ironic that half the $600 is borrowed? One of these days the lender nations are going to realize that Uncle Sam is giving away their money instead of paying them back.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    @Simply Simon

    Oops, make that $600 million.

  200. @George
    @Anonymous

    "Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty." It won't be ugly either.

    The US still has democratic and constitutional aspects. For example, while new immigrants are purposely second class citizens, their children are first class citizens.

    White, mostly Afrikaner, South Africans monopolized government jobs and pensions for decades, maybe a century. Majority rule in SA came as a shock for Afrikaners as Whites lost easy access to government jobs and pensions. This will probably happen in the US, but in the US the transition from white supremacist government to Asian/Hispanic supremacist government will be more evolutionary as the voters become more non white and more pain free.

    White supremacist governor of California Grey Davis enshrined white privilege in California by requiring the new Asian and Hispanic taxpayers to support greatly enhanced pensions and benefits for the last holdouts of White privilege namely government workers. During the transition from white to non white taxpayers the pension scheme was enhanced for the largely white government retirees but no attempt at requiring the still largely white taxpayers to fund it was made. So the responsibility for paying the aging whites pensions will fall to the current mostly Asian and Hispanic taxpayers.

    So far attempts for the current, non white, taxpayers to wriggle free of past obligations to white retirees has mostly consisted of defaults on some municipal debts, for example, in Vallejo Ca. I vaguely remember the largest victim of the Vallejo default being a subsidiary of a Japanese Bank.

    Something to watch: Joint Select Committee on Solvency of Multiemployer Pension Plans. While not exclusively white, this is not Apartheid SA, multiemployer plan retirees are mostly old white people. Their chance to get a lump sum bailout is slipping away as the country becomes less white. The multi employer retirees are vulnerable as they are old white private sector workers like teamsters. They are unsympathetic to me as they did little during their youth to ensure the prosperity of their offspring or even future 'brother' workers and seem to be demanding a bailout from elites largely on the basis that they went along with the program.

    Replies: @Seth Largo

    While not exclusively white, this is not Apartheid SA, multiemployer plan retirees are mostly old white people. Their chance to get a lump sum bailout is slipping away as the country becomes less white.

    So you’re telling me the left-leaning non-whites in California are going to turn into Ron Paul voters and curtail excess government spending by gutting civil pensions? Right on!! I bet they’ll ban government spending on abortion clinics after that.

  201. Really well done recent “fair and balanced” (for real) Australian documentary on the white farmer issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU4m8hkf-O0

    Executive summary: Government claims South Africa is a very violent country, with many murders. Farmers not murdered because they are white but because there is a high crime rate. The number of white farmers killed each year is an extremely small portion of the total murders in SA, so why focus on these particular murders?

    White farmers are interviewed giving their side. Julius Malema dances around (literally) while singing “pow pow” and pointing his finger like a gun.

    Keeping some perspective here – Julius Malema’s party has 25 seats in the 400 seat parliament.

    Interestingly, in all the negative coverage of Trump’s tweet – I did not see anyone mentioning the official South African government explanation that there is a sky high murder rate for everyone.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @LeftLawyer

    “I did not see anyone mentioning the official South African government explanation that there is a sky high murder rate for everyone.”

    “We’re not racist! Just a sh—hole!”

    , @J.Ross
    @LeftLawyer

    It is difficult to locate descriptions of the farm murders. When that functionary smirked about one or two apparently having died nobody corrected him as would have happened had he been talking about certain other events. South African blogger Mike Smith would post his own translations from the Afrikaans press. None of these people are the hugely wealthy landowners Steve is joking about, and the murders are routinely gruesome: crucifixion, exploding heads by tightening them in a wood vise, and so on.
    It forces you to reconsider the reporting (and commemoration) of some things, and the silence regarding others.

  202. @Cagey Beast
    @Matra

    I'm from the Anglosphere so I care most about how it's misruled.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom

    Which is why you spend a bunch of time shilling for Putin? You need to have two handles if you want to play this game. Your allegiances are too out in the open to play the “I’m just harder on my team” game. And for the record every one sees through that gambit these days- healthy people aren’t actually harder on what the like best they are more protective of it. They especially don’t engage in relentless concern troll and motive questioning of that which they esteem. You are quite lustful in your support of Putin and exceedingly forgiving an defensive of him.

  203. @Unladen Swallow
    @rational actor

    It really makes no sense in an American context, because not many black people live in heavily agricultural areas, maybe a lot do in South Africa? Of course if South African urban areas are devolving into District 9 style blight, maybe that is why there is this desire to move out to the country.

    My guess is that the real reason is that agriculture is the last bastion of the Afrikaners, unlike industry or finance. Therefore it should be stolen regardless of whether there are any black people who can farm who will take their place. There is clearly no long term thinking underlying any of this.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer, @Simply Simon

    Farming, i.e., agriculture is and always has been in the blood of the Afrikaners, much like it is with the Pennsylvania Dutch, Amish, Mennonites and Dunkards in the US. It was also in the blood of my ancestors who were peasants in Northern France and Germany. I often feel I should have stayed on our family farm, albeit small , instead of trying to make my way in the outside world. No doubt a much more peaceful life than the one I’ve lived.

  204. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    There really is no permanant dark side of the moon. You'd get a month-long day over there, of course. I think this is a case of that, what's that Moslem phrase for being one who tells stories to the unbelievers to trick them? Oh, yeah, "lying sacks of shit", that's it.

    Or, maybe someones been listening to too much Floyd. ;-}

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There really is no permanant dark side of the moon.

    No, but it’s dark, i.e., unseen, to us. But that’s just a function of our stubborn terracentricity.

    Or, maybe someones been listening to too much Floyd. ;-}

    All in all, it’s just another tile in the mosque…

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Reg Cæsar

    No, it's not even unseen though. Plenty of orbiting probes have mapped the far side of the moon very well over the years, Reg. What's interesting is that the "texture" of it is different than the near side. Geologists and astronomers have their theories on this, I'm sure.

    I admit to my terracentricity. I'm usually not very lunaphobic, but on a night like this (FULL), it brings out the crazies ... The lunartic is in my head ....

    I liked that mosque line. Very good.

  205. @Desiderius
    @Anonymous

    No, I think the powers that be care very much, with goal being to get them out of there so that Africa can return to its historic death rates.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    No, I think the powers that be care very much, with goal being to get them out of there so that Africa can return to its historic death rates.

    What were the historic death rates of the Bushmen, the only people who were in the territory 500 years ago?

  206. Personally, I support Mandela’s policy of no expropriation without compensation of South African land.

    What does that mean? Do you think the SA government ought to be able to target farms owned by Whites, offer them money, perhaps (for the sake of argument) a price near the (fairly) appraised value, and then force the people to sell whether they want to or not?

    That reminds me of this description of home equity I once heard: the problem is that to cash in on it you have to sell your house and then you have no place to live.

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    It wasn't a rhetorical question.

  207. @Peter Johnson
    The mainstream narrative will always find some way to explain why South Africa is spiralling ever downward while denying the reality of HBD. The explanation and/or explanations will change repeatedly as circumstances change, and will strain credulity, but no role will be given for HBD. For true believers in blank slate fundamentalism, no level of ridiculousness will be spared to avoid acknowledging HBD and its key role in South Africa's history and future.

    Replies: @Cowboy Shaw

    Yep, it’s going to be amazing to watch. Just a slow implosion as South Africa reverts to the level of its governing and majority population, and ever more baroque and elaborate excuses come tumbling out from the left.

    There’s a sense in Africa that the continent takes back what is its – Africa wins again. Africa will win this one.

    A few years back I was camping in a site outside Grootfontein in Namibia. I had a few beers with the old German manager in his house. We sat outside with a pistol on the table in front of us. He told me stories about being a soldier in the Congo in the 60s and young belgium boys being kept in cages and being fattened up to eat. ‘One day they’ll get me’ he said, gesturing at the fence, ‘but I’m ready for them and I’ll take as many as I can with me.’

  208. @Simply Simon
    @Mike P.

    Isn't it a bit ironic that half the $600 is borrowed? One of these days the lender nations are going to realize that Uncle Sam is giving away their money instead of paying them back.

    Replies: @Simply Simon

    Oops, make that $600 million.

  209. @Steve Sailer
    @Unladen Swallow

    There are much richer white people in South Africa than the typical Boer farmer. For example:

    https://www.forbes.com/profile/nicky-oppenheimer/#3f0e48cf3b93

    https://citizen.co.za/news/news-eish/1878420/1pic-of-ramaphosa-signing-or-tambo-deal-with-oppenheimers/

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow

    Indeed there are, and they seem fine with the farmers getting their land confiscated. They are however only delaying the inevitable confiscation of the factories and mines that they own.

  210. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    No it doesn’t. It only needs to be 85% non-white.
     
    Because all non-whites are the same. I mean who doesn’t look at people from Sierra Leon and those from Japan and say “There go all those non-whites. All the same. The lot of them.”

    Replies: @Seth Largo, @Anonymous

    No one’s complaining about a flood of Japanese immigrants, and I’ll leave it to you to figure out the reasons for this on your own time.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    No one’s complaining about a flood of Japanese immigrants
     
    You missed the point. The point is that blacks, Hispanics, and Asians are not all the same. Heck, not all Asians are the same. Agglomerating all of them and putting them against whites is the construct the left wants. Don’t go along with it.
  211. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.
     
    You are not God. No one besides Him knows the future.

    There is a weird, almost perverse, nightmarish sci-fi fantasy among some commenters here who dislike the present America so much that they imagine the worst possible, highly unlikely scenario. It’s like they almost want it to be that bad so that they can justify their own over-the-top pessimism and discontent (“I told you so; I said 25 years ago the country was FUBAR, because it was not to my liking”).

    Look, I am also unhappy about the direction of the country. I agree that there are many things that should be altered for the better. But South Africa? We are talking about a country with below average IQ whites, who in turn are only a small minority among a large super majority of highly uneducated, low IQ sub-Saharan Africans that have emerged from a serious internal conflict, including violent terrorism and authoritarian repression.

    Our future is not black. At worst, it will be beige.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Samuel Skinner, @TTSSYF, @J.Ross, @Anonymous

    Our future is not black. At worst, it will be beige.

    Very cute. We’re already (dark) beige. Unfortunately, it’s about culture not color.

    Our culture is being wrecked by the constant flood of third-world immigrants, and you’re celebrating it while denigrating those of us who dare to object. You have the entire internet to play in–nearly all of it is ‘safe space’ for people who think like you do. Yet you infest this small site which is one of a very few remaining places where self-respecting white people are permitted to speak with even the slightest degree of freedom.

    That “highly unlikely scenario” phrase you use is almost word-for-word what we were told when the bill of goods named Hart-Celler was being retailed. Now white people are down from 90% to only 50% of the population, our culture is being trashed, and it’s not stopping, it’s not reversing, it’s accelerating. So excuse me if we’re tired of your lies.

    The very last thing we need is to be lectured on this topic by the invaders themselves.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    We’re already (dark) beige.
     
    No, the country is expected to be majority Non-Hispanic white until 2045. It’s not “dark beige” yet.

    Unfortunately, it’s about culture not color.
     
    I don’t know what you mean by “it” though most things involving people are heredity + environment.

    Our culture is being wrecked by the constant flood of third-world immigrants, and you’re celebrating it
     
    Yes. No. You obviously don’t realize I’m an immigration restrictionist.

    denigrating those of us who dare to object.
     
    I denigrate those who engage in what Jack Hanson calls “doom masturbation.” I stand with those who object to the dramatic demographic and cultural transformation of our country and want to do constructive things to combat it, not those who ridiculously compare it to South Africa.
  212. @Mark P Miller
    @Anonymous

    But African American TFR is nowhere near subsaharan Africans. Plus AAs are less African than their cousins, on average, so that probably counts for something.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    There’s this thing called immigration. Perhaps you’ve heard of it.

  213. @Hapalong Cassidy
    “We have not called for the killing of all white people - at least for now.” Even HuffPo reported Malema saying this.

    https://m.huffingtonpost.co.za/2018/06/12/malema-we-have-not-called-for-the-killing-of-white-people-at-least-for-now_a_23456601/

    “At least for now.” But of course, there is no plan to kill whites. The NYT and WaPo just told me so. Trump is wrong!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “We have not called for the killing of all white people – at least for now.”

    One wonders just how much more explicit they need to be.

    Unfortunately, we know: when the guns and machetes come out, the MSM hides.

  214. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stephen Paul Foster
    @Anonymous

    Exactly, see:


    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-exterminationist-left-happy-trails.html

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail in 2016, not to be outdone by her former boss had this to add to the genetics of Obama: “We all have implicit biases. They are almost in the DNA going back probably millennia. And what we need to do is be more honest about that and surface them.”
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/20/hillary-tells-black-church-white-people-must-end-systemic-racism/#ixzz4bi9fezs7

    Good read. It’s always fun (not to mention instructive) to read the Genius Girl at work.

    Millennia!

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Anonymous


    Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail in 2016, not to be outdone by her former boss had this to add to the genetics of Obama: “We all have implicit biases. They are almost in the DNA going back probably millennia. And what we need to do is be more honest about that and surface them.”
     
    I agree with Shrillary that a lot behavior is driven by DNA (genetics) and that we should be open and honest about that, and surface them.
  215. @Samuel Skinner
    @Twinkie

    You don't get it. Nearly the entire black population of South Africa emigrated from elsewhere. If our elite decide to ship in millions of Africans what is going to stop them? They are open about their goal being totally open borders and the extermination of the white race. There is no end state, no stopping point, no line they will not cross. This will continue until our elite have killed everyone or they are dead.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Twinkie

    If our elite decide to ship in millions of Africans what is going to stop them?

    You mean the same elites who are using Hispanics and Asians to ethnically cleanse blacks from desirable urban areas?

    the extermination of the white race

    I thought the goal was to keep the white man down and humiliate him. You guys keep changing the Coalition of the Fringes mission statement – I get confused.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Twinkie


    I thought the goal was to keep the white man down and humiliate him. You guys keep changing the Coalition of the Fringes mission statement – I get confused.
     
    As though it's impossible to do one in the process of accomplishing the other.

    You're not fooling anyone with that one.
  216. @Anonymous
    Amusing how people here imagine that Brasil or Argentina are our future.

    Our future is South Africa. And it's not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @attilathehen, @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Dave Pinsen, @kissinger, @Twinkie, @Stephen Paul Foster, @George, @Mark P Miller, @Anonymous

    Brazil is more likely. We’re being overrun by Mestizos.

  217. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Anonymous


    Our future is South Africa. And it’s not going to be pretty.
     
    Do numbers matter to you? Because numbers do matter, and you seem oblivious to them.

    America is polluted by Leftists, but there were still enough sane Americans to elect Trump in 2016. The same cannot be said for South African whites. Those SA whites need to emigrate as soon as possible, but their fate is not ours. We may succumb to some later tragedy, but it won't be Black South Africans visiting unjustice on our heads.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Those SA whites need to emigrate as soon as possible, but their fate is not ours.

    They need to stay and fight to hold onto their land. God isn’t making any more of it.

    • Replies: @Crew Cut Man
    @Anonymous

    How exactly should they do this? They are vastly outnumbered and the weight of world opinion is completely against them. Opinion which will be backed up with embargoes munitions what have you.

    Besides, white people are being systematically dispossessed in the USA and in Europe and none of them are fighting. Quite the contrary, most welcome their own demise.

    It's hard to respect people like that, so no one does.

  218. istevefan says:
    @Anonymous
    @istevefan

    Most of the people coming across the Mexican border are Native Americans.

    History is long and the red man will have the last laugh.

    Replies: @istevefan

    Most of the people coming across the Mexican border are Native Americans.

    They are not native to this part of the Americas. The ones native to what is now the USA already live here and most have reservations, casinos,etc. The ones coming from down south have an easier time coming and squatting in this part of the Americas than their ancestors would have 530 years ago. Today they are welcomed and subsidized. Back then they would have been forcibly repelled by their fellow ‘Natives’.

    History is long and the red man will have the last laugh.

    Doubt it. Most of the red men have been diluted with European and African blood. And the ever increasing masses of Asians and Africans will ensure the red man will never have control over his ancestral homeland.

    • Replies: @Crew Cut Man
    @istevefan

    POC may have the last laugh but the C will not be red.

  219. @c matt
    @Anonymous

    Aid, bribe . . . tomayto, tomahto.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Bribe? What is the United States bribing them to do?

  220. I have spoken with several boers and white SAs online and they are extremely stubborn people.

    I urged them to immigrate ANYWHERE….even Mexico or Latin America as it would be preferable to staying in that scumhole…..

    Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile and Argentina were all mainly European area they could potentially migrate too….mosr are dumb and stubborn as a mule….theu still think they can fight in a military capacity and remain sovereign….problem is they have 2 options: stay and die or leave and prosper greatly…..sadlu I think more will have to die before they leave in droves….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Neoconned

    Thanks. FWIW, I understand both sides of that story. It's their country, they built it, and I understand their pride and even their obstinacy. Besides, it's the way we're all headed. Rhodesia went before them; we'll go after them. When and where should white people make their stand?

    , @Anonymous
    @Neoconned


    I urged them to immigrate ANYWHERE….even Mexico or Latin America as it would be preferable to staying in that scumhole…..
     
    Bad advice. They need to defend their territory.
  221. @Anonymous
    @Desiderius

    Why don't you consider yourself to be a good person?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    There is only one good person. A life well lived continually approaches His je ne sais quoi but never quite reaches it in this life.

    Alternatively, actions are good/bad, not people.

  222. @LeftLawyer
    Really well done recent "fair and balanced" (for real) Australian documentary on the white farmer issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU4m8hkf-O0

    Executive summary: Government claims South Africa is a very violent country, with many murders. Farmers not murdered because they are white but because there is a high crime rate. The number of white farmers killed each year is an extremely small portion of the total murders in SA, so why focus on these particular murders?

    White farmers are interviewed giving their side. Julius Malema dances around (literally) while singing "pow pow" and pointing his finger like a gun.

    Keeping some perspective here - Julius Malema's party has 25 seats in the 400 seat parliament.

    Interestingly, in all the negative coverage of Trump's tweet - I did not see anyone mentioning the official South African government explanation that there is a sky high murder rate for everyone.

    Replies: @Corn, @J.Ross

    “I did not see anyone mentioning the official South African government explanation that there is a sky high murder rate for everyone.”

    “We’re not racist! Just a sh—hole!”

  223. @J.Ross
    @rational actor

    I was told that Arab rocketeers removed the gimbals to be able to add marginally more fuel and get a little more range, and I refused to believe it. It was too stupid to be true (and the guy speaking was not exactly an Edward Said fan). Later I was reading some military magazines, one of which was Pakistani, and realized that it was totally true. To add a couple of miles they gave up being able to properly steer the damn thing, and this was a regular practice (as in the "city war" phase of the Iran-Iraq conflict).
    That's the military equivalent of a socialist third world "back hole" seizing stuff that others have built or developed. They see the end quite clearly, even if their liberal cheerleaders cannot, and they have decided to deal with that end by feeding bits of locomotive into the same locomotive's furnace.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Pheasant, @Joe Stalin

    If “city war” is the aim, then remember the German V-1 “Buzz Bomb” (Seven mile circle is good enough for government work!) :

    “An odometer driven by a vane anemometer on the nose determined when the target area had been reached, accurately enough for area bombing. Before launch, the counter was set to a value that would reach zero upon arrival at the target in the prevailing wind conditions. As the missile flew, the airflow turned the propeller, and every 30 rotations of the propeller counted down one number on the counter. This counter triggered the arming of the warhead after about 60 km (37 mi). When the count reached zero, two detonating bolts were fired. Two spoilers on the elevator were released, the linkage between the elevator and servo was jammed and a guillotine device cut off the control hoses to the rudder servo, setting the rudder in neutral. These actions put the V-1 into a steep dive. While this was originally intended to be a power dive, in practice the dive caused the fuel flow to cease, which stopped the engine. The sudden silence after the buzzing alerted listeners of the impending impact. The fuel problem was quickly fixed, and when the last V-1s fell, the majority hit with power.”

    “Initially, V-1s landed within a circle 19 miles (31 kilometres) in diameter, but by the end of the war, accuracy had been improved to about 7 miles, which was comparable to the V-2 rocket.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb

  224. @Twinkie
    @Samuel Skinner


    If our elite decide to ship in millions of Africans what is going to stop them?
     
    You mean the same elites who are using Hispanics and Asians to ethnically cleanse blacks from desirable urban areas?

    the extermination of the white race
     
    I thought the goal was to keep the white man down and humiliate him. You guys keep changing the Coalition of the Fringes mission statement - I get confused.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I thought the goal was to keep the white man down and humiliate him. You guys keep changing the Coalition of the Fringes mission statement – I get confused.

    As though it’s impossible to do one in the process of accomplishing the other.

    You’re not fooling anyone with that one.

  225. @attilathehen
    @Anonymous

    Argentina is fine. Brazil is a mess (over 55% black).

    South Africa is gone.

    (((Adam Serwer))) is a black/Jew. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/nation-of-islam/555332/

    He wants Brazil/South Africa as our future.

    Replies: @Ed, @The Wild Geese Howard, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Redneck farmer, @Anonymous

    Argentina is fine.

    Sure it is. It was fine, before it was flooded by amerindians. That was then.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-91169/President-resigns-riots-leave-22-dead-Argentina.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I read a great article about Argentina's fairly rapid descent from first-world country to third-world hellhole, largely due to in-migration from Peru, Colombia, Paraguay, Bolivia etc. It surely had to be on Taki's, VDare, or here, but I can't find it now.

  226. @Anonymous
    @attilathehen


    Argentina is fine.
     
    Sure it is. It was fine, before it was flooded by amerindians. That was then.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-91169/President-resigns-riots-leave-22-dead-Argentina.html

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I read a great article about Argentina’s fairly rapid descent from first-world country to third-world hellhole, largely due to in-migration from Peru, Colombia, Paraguay, Bolivia etc. It surely had to be on Taki’s, VDare, or here, but I can’t find it now.

  227. @Neoconned
    I have spoken with several boers and white SAs online and they are extremely stubborn people.

    I urged them to immigrate ANYWHERE....even Mexico or Latin America as it would be preferable to staying in that scumhole.....

    Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile and Argentina were all mainly European area they could potentially migrate too....mosr are dumb and stubborn as a mule....theu still think they can fight in a military capacity and remain sovereign....problem is they have 2 options: stay and die or leave and prosper greatly.....sadlu I think more will have to die before they leave in droves....

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Thanks. FWIW, I understand both sides of that story. It’s their country, they built it, and I understand their pride and even their obstinacy. Besides, it’s the way we’re all headed. Rhodesia went before them; we’ll go after them. When and where should white people make their stand?

  228. Does this mean we can no longer fly Air Afrikaans?

    “Beef or cow?”

  229. @Vendetta
    @J.Ross

    If you look into the background of Robert Mugabe you will also find that he was considered to be intelligent, studious, diligent. He put off action against the white farmers for many years until popular pressure had become too much to resist and he needed something to shore up his own declining popularity.

    Ramaphosa may think he is smarter than Mugabe and has the benefit of hindsight, and therefore things will somehow turn out differently for him. And things may indeed be a literal different for him, or may have been if Trump hadn’t just decided to break the party line on South Africa.

    Robert Mugabe was on the West’s naughty list to begin with. He was outspokenly anti-colonialist, aligned with the Soviet Union during the Cold War and then - for a time - was one of the most welcoming leaders in Africa to Chinese and North Korean influence.

    South Africa’s government is not on the naughty list. They’re on the nice list. They’re a democracy, not a regime. Compare what the US had to say about how the Iraqis managed to take back Mosul to what it had to say about the Syrians retaking Aleppo.

    Zimbabwe’s hyperinflation and economic collapse game about as a result of panicked withdrawal of Western investment and economic aid - which came about as a result of honest reporting on what Mugabe’s government was doing.

    If on the other hand Ramaphosa’s government was able to carry out its confiscations while ‘international opinion’ and the ‘free press’ remained obligingly silent on the matter, then perhaps they could get away with it without any immediate economic shock. Production would of course plummet in the months and years to come, but perhaps the ANC reckon that’s a price worth paying if it buys them another 20 years of one-party rule. South Africa is not quite like Rhodesia anyway, where agriculture was the lifeblood of the economy. In South Africa, that’s mining.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    African leaders have this severe divide in how they are characterized, arbitrarily starting with Lumumba, where they are murderous beyond any Machiavellian pragmatism but the Mighty Wurlitzer swears until it’s blue that they are peaceful humanitarians. People abroad generally don’t know anything about Africa and the record is solid (it gets a named law, Matt Johnson’s, in the case of Western depictions of Russia, but it’s unversally true) that the media and the experts lie through their teeth when they think they can get away with it. This divide rolls into subsequent events and controls reactions: Eastern Europe (acting on the premise that Patrice was a man of peace) set up government-sanctioned demonstrations (Wiki):

    After the announcement of Lumumba’s death, street protests were organized in several European countries; in Belgrade, capital of Yugoslavia, protesters sacked the Belgian embassy and confronted the police, and in London, a crowd marched from Trafalgar Square to the Belgian embassy, where a letter of protest was delivered and where protesters clashed with police.[78] In New York City, a demonstration at the United Nations Security Council turned violent and spilled over into the streets.[79][80]

    The most severe case of course is school bomber Nelson Mandela, who chose to stay in prison rather than renounce the deliberate murder of children, but who is understood by all educated people to be a martyr for nonviolence.

  230. @LeftLawyer
    Really well done recent "fair and balanced" (for real) Australian documentary on the white farmer issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU4m8hkf-O0

    Executive summary: Government claims South Africa is a very violent country, with many murders. Farmers not murdered because they are white but because there is a high crime rate. The number of white farmers killed each year is an extremely small portion of the total murders in SA, so why focus on these particular murders?

    White farmers are interviewed giving their side. Julius Malema dances around (literally) while singing "pow pow" and pointing his finger like a gun.

    Keeping some perspective here - Julius Malema's party has 25 seats in the 400 seat parliament.

    Interestingly, in all the negative coverage of Trump's tweet - I did not see anyone mentioning the official South African government explanation that there is a sky high murder rate for everyone.

    Replies: @Corn, @J.Ross

    It is difficult to locate descriptions of the farm murders. When that functionary smirked about one or two apparently having died nobody corrected him as would have happened had he been talking about certain other events. South African blogger Mike Smith would post his own translations from the Afrikaans press. None of these people are the hugely wealthy landowners Steve is joking about, and the murders are routinely gruesome: crucifixion, exploding heads by tightening them in a wood vise, and so on.
    It forces you to reconsider the reporting (and commemoration) of some things, and the silence regarding others.

  231. @Crew Cut Man
    @Reg Cæsar

    We should be so lucky to have our country divide up like that.

    Replies: @PaulS

    The end of Apartheid actually partitioned the country into a collection of language based enthno states.

    The problem for the Boers is that they were left stranded outside of the Afrikaans dominated Western and Northern Cape provinces.

    Julius Malema is from Limpopo province where Boers are such a minority that their language is not even recognised and hence make a soft target.

    On the other hand the South African wine industry is based in the Western Cape 1000 miles away and enjoys the protection of a powerful local authority.

  232. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    @NickG

    Ramaphosa has powerful friends. There was a front-page expose of his corrupt deputy, and potential rival in the New York Times recently. Trump's Tweet won't be entirely unwelcome in Ramaphosa's circles.

    Malema seems to be losing his mind, literally. Has started ranting about Jews trying to kill him or some such thing. Idi Amin syndrome seems to have struck early. Ramaphosa will stall until 2019.

    As for the Boers, they're hooked on cheap black labor, and were too greedy to allow for a proper partition of South Africa on the terms of the white government.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @NickG

    As for the Boers, they’re hooked on cheap black labor, and were too greedy to allow for a proper partition of South Africa on the terms of the white government.

    Physically magnificent, spiritually and emotionally cucked for a long, long time, that’s the Boers in a nutshell.

    They butchered their language into a kindertaal for the benefit of outsiders, and created the God-damned Dutch Reformed Church, and slowly they went to hell.

    If they had kept the outside world out and been Jew-wise, Jew-skeptical, and as emotionally hard as they were physically hard they’d still have their country,although they never had the opportunity the Rhodesians had to be really a white country.

    Greed played a part-they wanted the profits from black labor-but it wasn’t decisive. Cuckness was.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Anonymous

    “If they had kept the outside world out and been Jew-wise, Jew-skeptical, and as emotionally hard as they were physically hard they’d still have their country,although they never had the opportunity the Rhodesians had to be really a white country.”

    Huh? The white population of Rhodesia was never as large, absolutely or percentage wise, as the white population of South Africa.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  233. @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    And a solid reputation as a highly intelligent and competant administrator. That was an argument against the evidence of one's own eyes when he started appropriation talk: surely this guy is "one of us," surely he's sane, surely if he does it he won't go full Zimbabwean, surely he's just giving this idea lip service to pacify idiots like Malema.

    Replies: @SporadicMyrmidon, @Vendetta, @PaulS

    South Africa has one of the most financialised economies in the world with finance making up 20% of gdp. The Johannesburg stock exchange has a market capitalisation of $1 trillion, just behind Sydney and ahead of Madrid and Taiwan. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stock_exchanges)

    Most corporate profits are generated outside of the country. Mostly supermarkets, cellular networks, and satellite tv as well as alcohol and tobacco, which operate across Africa.

    In fact the end of Apartheid was driven by corporate interests. Faced with the decline of South Africa’s labour intensive deep level mines, which peaked in the 70s and then couldn’t compete with modern mechanised mines in places like Australia, they pushed for the end of the system, which would allow them to pursue new sources of profits.

    Argiculture contributes less than 5% of South Africa’s gdp, but land ownership is of immense symbolic value to black people. The ANC have had the power to expropriate land since 1994 but haven’t pursued it since they were far more interested in cushy government jobs and ‘black empowerment deals’. Ramaphosa himself owns the South African franchise of McDonalds. Selling fries is much easier and far more profitable than farming potatoes.

    Now that the ANC are facing a real threat in the 2019 elections, they need a populist policy to win the votes of the impoverished rural masses. Expect a few marginal family farms or some state owned land to be redistributed, but I highly doubt any corporate interests will be harmed by this policy. Mr Ramaphosa’s $500 million portfolio depends on it.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @PaulS

    This is a great comment and I hope I can respond to it intelligently, but the main thing I get is white people being murdered with wood shop equipment will continue and nobody is going to do anything about it.

    Replies: @PaulS

  234. @Bragadocious
    @Matra

    And what are you but a parody of a Limey apologist douchebag.

    It's funny how the Brits all pull the "plastic paddy" card when their behavior is criticized. When on defense, play offense. Britannia 101.

    For the record, the Brits invaded South Africa -- twice. And invented concentration camps there. Such a creative people. Lobbing insults won't change this record, despite what you think.

    And when the Brits could no long kill Boers with bullets, they deployed their soft power -- Peter Gabriel and Elvis Costello and others who crafted loving dirges to the extermination of Afrikaners.

    But yeah, whatabout the Dutch, whatabout whatabout whatabout. You're an imbecile.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom, @Anonymous

    I seem to recall Costello signing some wailing dirges in mourning for you PPs. That was different I guess.

  235. @Art Deco
    @Ed

    The Coloured population speaks Afrikaans at home and their ancestry is only about 30% Bantu (with the largest element Khoi-San). Fifty years ago, a researcher from the American Universities Field Staff offered that they were the one population in South Africa who would day 'we belong to South Africa' rather than 'South Africa belongs to us'. They've never had a particular affinity for the Bantu population, and tended to favor the Cape Afrikaner population (at least until their communities in Cape Town were demolished per the Group Areas Act).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PaulS

    The Cape Coloured people used to vote for the United Party ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Party_(South_Africa) ) which was a mostly urban based coalition of English speakers and liberal Afrikaners that existed before Apartheid.

    The National party largely a party of conservative rural white Afrikaners that won elections due to the large number of rural voting districts. See here: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/features/apartheid-was-helped-by-twisted/amp/

    Since the change from a constituency based system to proportional voting in 1994, the National party has gone extinct and the United Party has essentially returned as the Democratic Alliance and won back the Coloured vote.

    Rural Afrikaners have essentially no political representation, with the two most significant white politicians of the last 20 years both being urban Jews.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Leon
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Zille

  236. https://citizen.co.za/news/south-africa/1999718/malema-says-jews-are-training-right-wingers-as-snipers-to-kill-black-people/

    Malema says Jews are training right wingers as snipers to kill black people

    23.8.2018 10:01 pm

    The EFF commander-in-chief slammed those who believe white South Africans face a ‘white genocide,’ saying that if anything Trump should focus on what he termed a ‘black genocide’.

    At a media briefing on Thursday at EFF headquarters in Braamfontein, EFF Leader Julius Malema made the shocking claim that a group of right-wing extremists is being trained to kill black people.

    “They will kill us for that. There’s a group of white right-wingers who are being trained by Jews in Pretoria to be snipers,” he said.

  237. @eah
    Personally, I support Mandela's policy of no expropriation without compensation of South African land.

    What does that mean? Do you think the SA government ought to be able to target farms owned by Whites, offer them money, perhaps (for the sake of argument) a price near the (fairly) appraised value, and then force the people to sell whether they want to or not?

    That reminds me of this description of home equity I once heard: the problem is that to cash in on it you have to sell your house and then you have no place to live.

    Replies: @eah

    It wasn’t a rhetorical question.

  238. @J.Ross
    @SporadicMyrmidon

    I like the argument that he won't do anything crazy because he's a billionaire. Doesn't that just underline his independence?

    Replies: @SporadicMyrmidon

    I’m not certain that I’m reading your comment correctly, but I think you are raising a quite complex issue. Along some metrics, billionaires obviously feel an extraordinary degree of independence. But along other metrics, many billionaires are extremely constrained. I suppose it makes a great deal of difference what sort of wealth is involved, which is one of the reasons Trump, who seems to mostly own real stuff, can say what he wants on some level. But I suspect many billionaires have focused much of their lives on the details of how to acquire the wealth, and not on the interesting psychological and philosophical questions of what they can “get away with”.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @SporadicMyrmidon

    I'm only interested in the present context: the one in which Ramaphosa has improved the usual model of his peer group only by getting the money first. If he declared his doctor king of Scotland there would either be media silence or explanations why "that's a good thing."

  239. @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman


    There really is no permanant dark side of the moon.
     
    No, but it's dark, i.e., unseen, to us. But that's just a function of our stubborn terracentricity.

    Or, maybe someones been listening to too much Floyd. ;-}
     
    All in all, it's just another tile in the mosque...

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    No, it’s not even unseen though. Plenty of orbiting probes have mapped the far side of the moon very well over the years, Reg. What’s interesting is that the “texture” of it is different than the near side. Geologists and astronomers have their theories on this, I’m sure.

    I admit to my terracentricity. I’m usually not very lunaphobic, but on a night like this (FULL), it brings out the crazies … The lunartic is in my head ….

    I liked that mosque line. Very good.

  240. @istevefan
    @Anonymous


    Most of the people coming across the Mexican border are Native Americans.
     
    They are not native to this part of the Americas. The ones native to what is now the USA already live here and most have reservations, casinos,etc. The ones coming from down south have an easier time coming and squatting in this part of the Americas than their ancestors would have 530 years ago. Today they are welcomed and subsidized. Back then they would have been forcibly repelled by their fellow 'Natives'.

    History is long and the red man will have the last laugh.
     
    Doubt it. Most of the red men have been diluted with European and African blood. And the ever increasing masses of Asians and Africans will ensure the red man will never have control over his ancestral homeland.

    Replies: @Crew Cut Man

    POC may have the last laugh but the C will not be red.

  241. @Anon
    @Bragadocious

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Ten_Years_of_Toryism.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Is that figure in the middle supposed to be Jewish? Why would the liberals be making a jibe against Jews?

  242. @Bragadocious
    @Matra

    And what are you but a parody of a Limey apologist douchebag.

    It's funny how the Brits all pull the "plastic paddy" card when their behavior is criticized. When on defense, play offense. Britannia 101.

    For the record, the Brits invaded South Africa -- twice. And invented concentration camps there. Such a creative people. Lobbing insults won't change this record, despite what you think.

    And when the Brits could no long kill Boers with bullets, they deployed their soft power -- Peter Gabriel and Elvis Costello and others who crafted loving dirges to the extermination of Afrikaners.

    But yeah, whatabout the Dutch, whatabout whatabout whatabout. You're an imbecile.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom, @Anonymous

    The only nation in the world that supported the Boers in the Apartheid years was Israel.

  243. @Daniel Chieh
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Better than just about any possible situation in SA, though. Its pretty much going to be civil war there, with or without input from the whites. Place is fracturing hard.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The big Xhosa vs. Zulu showdown is coming. The whites are no longer rulers of SA but it’s still not clear who is going to succeed them. It will be like the Shona vs. Matabele showdown in Zimbabwe in the 1980s, but 100x more bloody.

    • Replies: @PaulS
    @Anonymous

    Doubtful. The Xhosas don't set foot in Natal and Zulus don't set foot in the Eastern Cape.

    Almost all blacks in Durban are Zulus and in Cape Town they are Xhosas. They have claimed their respective territories and the borders are well defined.

    Johannesburg is a no man's land where all tribes are represented.

    Zuma's attempt to found a Zulu dynasty failed as there was heavy push back from the other tribes. Zulu's cannot project power out of their home province.

  244. @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    Setting aside skin color and population, there are ideological and legal precedents in South Africa for SJW behavior here. From monument desecration to winking at "spontaneous" violence which just happens to achieve goals (or excusing it as economic and not racial) it can be said that South Africa showed them the way.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Yes, the monument-smashing mania began in South Africa and only later spread to the U.S.

  245. healthy people aren’t actually harder on what the like best they are more protective of it.

    Those things aren’t in contradiction. Parents will be harder on their own children than on the children of strangers, since the misbehavior of strange children doesn’t reflect badly on themselves.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    @Anonymous

    If two children are guilty of the same offense parents absolutely do not insist on their child bearing the entirety of the blame and instead defend the the stranger child.

    I get that you are being intentionally obtuse but if that’s your choice don’t do it as a response to my comment. Any parent who makes an osentacious display of criticizing his child is not a fit parent.

  246. Anon[852] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anthony Wayne
    I always thought this stuff would work its way into the mainstream like Roterham eventually did. Trump pushed the envelope here, as did Drudge. We’ll see how the media treat this in the coming months, could be a watershed for fake news.

    O/T: South Korea’s Little League World Series team has the tallest average height of any competing this year.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian, @Anon

    What ages are the boys supposed to be? Assuming they are preteens, it was my observation growing up that the kids who ultimately attained shorter statures had earlier growth spurts and towered over many of their peers until everyone else matured. I remember my 1/4 Japanese friend being among the tallest girls in 4th grade, but I don’t think she ended up much taller than 5’2″ or 5’4″. She also hit menarche earlier than the rest of us (and we were all average weight).

  247. @Neoconned
    I have spoken with several boers and white SAs online and they are extremely stubborn people.

    I urged them to immigrate ANYWHERE....even Mexico or Latin America as it would be preferable to staying in that scumhole.....

    Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile and Argentina were all mainly European area they could potentially migrate too....mosr are dumb and stubborn as a mule....theu still think they can fight in a military capacity and remain sovereign....problem is they have 2 options: stay and die or leave and prosper greatly.....sadlu I think more will have to die before they leave in droves....

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    I urged them to immigrate ANYWHERE….even Mexico or Latin America as it would be preferable to staying in that scumhole…..

    Bad advice. They need to defend their territory.

  248. @Sam Haysom
    @Matra

    Steyn was the first mainstream conservative commentator to hit the demography is destiny button hard. This is what I mean- you and others like are so incensed by the fact that “the Jews pulled one over on us in Iraq” that you are incapable of rationally analyzing people. I didn’t want to invade Iraq either but Mark Steyn has done more than any commenter other than maybe Coulter to bring demography into mainstream discussions.

    Meanwhile what have Giraldi and Unz and the other Israel sucks paleos done about the issue. Unz actively assisted in the displacement of white culture in california. The difference between you and me is that you’d happily accept the Brazilification of the US if it meant Israel was destroyed whereas I really don’t think much about Israel except when I’m at Unz and it comes up in every single discussion.

    Replies: @Matra, @HA

    Meanwhile what have Giraldi and Unz and the other Israel sucks paleos done about the issue.

    There’s not much paleos can do since they are shut out of the MSM by bootlicking conservatards. Buchanan is the only one who has had MSM time and yet when he ran for president the traitors of Conservative Inc. smeared him non-stop.

  249. @Sam Haysom
    @Matra

    Steyn was the first mainstream conservative commentator to hit the demography is destiny button hard. This is what I mean- you and others like are so incensed by the fact that “the Jews pulled one over on us in Iraq” that you are incapable of rationally analyzing people. I didn’t want to invade Iraq either but Mark Steyn has done more than any commenter other than maybe Coulter to bring demography into mainstream discussions.

    Meanwhile what have Giraldi and Unz and the other Israel sucks paleos done about the issue. Unz actively assisted in the displacement of white culture in california. The difference between you and me is that you’d happily accept the Brazilification of the US if it meant Israel was destroyed whereas I really don’t think much about Israel except when I’m at Unz and it comes up in every single discussion.

    Replies: @Matra, @HA

    >Steyn was the first mainstream conservative commentator to hit the demography is destiny button hard.

    Precisely. From his wiki:

    Steyn’s work America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It is a New York Times bestselling nonfiction book published in 2006. It deals with the global war on terror and wider issues of demographics in Muslim and non-Muslim populations. It has been widely praised by conservative commentators, and recommended by George W. Bush.

    The entry mentions that Hitchens thought it was too hard on Muslims and that it got Steyn into legal trouble (later dismissed) with “Ontario Human Rights Commission”, some north-of-the-border proxy for SPLC.

    In any case, that means it took him a good 2-3 years after 9/11 to change course enough to put together a book showcasing the failures of multi-cult immigration. And yet, despite that, he is now regarded as having “failed” and being “blind to existential issues” by the pearl-clutchers of unz.com who evidently reach for their smelling salts whenever his name is mentioned. How many books did any of them publish between September 2001 and 2006, I wonder?

    Who anoints these gatekeepers of ideological purity, anyway? Are they plants sent out by David Brock or George Soros maybe? Probably not, but that would actually make a lot more sense than being anyone who isn’t out to shoot themselves in the foot.

    It’s like some of the clowns here are dead set against anything that could lead to success, preferring to wallow instead in the failure that they think is inevitable when one is too good and pure for this wicked world. In the end, you’ve got to work with what you’ve got. And people here could do a whole lot worse than getting the likes of Steyn or Coulter.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @HA

    And yet, despite that, he is now regarded as having “failed” and being “blind to existential issues” by the pearl-clutchers of unz.com who evidently reach for their smelling salts whenever his name is mentioned. How many books did any of them publish between September 2001 and 2006, I wonder?

    Let me guess: You supported the utterly moronic Iraq war distraction. Now you are defending those blank slate conservatives who thought bringing democracy to Iraq would lead to a permanent change to the Arab Muslim political culture leading to peace between them and the West. The conservatives who smeared anyone who suggested immigration control after 9/11 instead of invading Iraq - a country hostile to AQ! - will never get over being shown to be wrong so they will continue to defend the people who blew the greatest opportunity of our lives to actually do something about demographic change. Whatever.

    Replies: @HA

  250. @Anonymous
    @Anon


    As for the Boers, they’re hooked on cheap black labor, and were too greedy to allow for a proper partition of South Africa on the terms of the white government.
     
    Physically magnificent, spiritually and emotionally cucked for a long, long time, that's the Boers in a nutshell.

    They butchered their language into a kindertaal for the benefit of outsiders, and created the God-damned Dutch Reformed Church, and slowly they went to hell.

    If they had kept the outside world out and been Jew-wise, Jew-skeptical, and as emotionally hard as they were physically hard they'd still have their country,although they never had the opportunity the Rhodesians had to be really a white country.

    Greed played a part-they wanted the profits from black labor-but it wasn't decisive. Cuckness was.

    Replies: @Corn

    “If they had kept the outside world out and been Jew-wise, Jew-skeptical, and as emotionally hard as they were physically hard they’d still have their country,although they never had the opportunity the Rhodesians had to be really a white country.”

    Huh? The white population of Rhodesia was never as large, absolutely or percentage wise, as the white population of South Africa.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Corn

    Yes, but there were no blacks at all in Rhodesia before the white man, whereas ZA had some, though a lot more came in to work for Boer and Jew employers.

    If the Mormons under Frigham, I mean, Brigham Young had made it to "Deseret-on-the-Zambezi" it would have been magnificent. At that time Mormonism was quite racially conscious and somewhat economically collectivist, though slackers were not tolerated, a perfect condition for rapid growth.

    Replies: @Corn

  251. @Anonymous

    healthy people aren’t actually harder on what the like best they are more protective of it.
     
    Those things aren't in contradiction. Parents will be harder on their own children than on the children of strangers, since the misbehavior of strange children doesn't reflect badly on themselves.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom

    If two children are guilty of the same offense parents absolutely do not insist on their child bearing the entirety of the blame and instead defend the the stranger child.

    I get that you are being intentionally obtuse but if that’s your choice don’t do it as a response to my comment. Any parent who makes an osentacious display of criticizing his child is not a fit parent.

  252. @Mr. Blank
    I predict that the dull, technocratic way this whole story is being reported is going to be the occasion for another round of red pilling. Seriously, I was reading a news report earlier that blandly explained that there's no story here, no big deal, because everything is being done "legally," by the book.

    Look, Zimbabwe/Rhodesia was pretty easy to sweep under the rug, because who the hell has ever heard of Zimbabdesia or whatever. But South Africa is a big, important country with huge media visibility. If government engineered anti-white pogroms send the place into a nosedive, that will be very hard to hide. And somehow I don't think the standard leftist line — that all these people had it coming for having the temerity to be white and live in South Africa — is going to win over a lot of people watching the whole thing from afar.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Crew Cut Man, @Ball Kin, @anon, @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @MBlanc46

    The corporate media will, of course, bury the story to the extent that they can, and spin what they can’t bury. And a great many Joes and Janes pay little attention to international, or even national, news. But, yes, this series of events will awaken a few more of us to the future that our masters have in store for us.

  253. @Anonymous
    @Stephen Paul Foster


    Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail in 2016, not to be outdone by her former boss had this to add to the genetics of Obama: “We all have implicit biases. They are almost in the DNA going back probably millennia. And what we need to do is be more honest about that and surface them.”
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/20/hillary-tells-black-church-white-people-must-end-systemic-racism/#ixzz4bi9fezs7
     
    Good read. It's always fun (not to mention instructive) to read the Genius Girl at work.

    Millennia!

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail in 2016, not to be outdone by her former boss had this to add to the genetics of Obama: “We all have implicit biases. They are almost in the DNA going back probably millennia. And what we need to do is be more honest about that and surface them.”

    I agree with Shrillary that a lot behavior is driven by DNA (genetics) and that we should be open and honest about that, and surface them.

  254. @Lot
    IQ and economy boosting immigration plan:

    Boer migration to the USA: Wet foot dry food policy we have with Cuba. "If you can get out, you can stay here."

    Ukrainians: Anyone with a high school education, no serious diseases or other obvious signs of being a public charge. Past Ukrainian migration to the USA and Canada has been a huge success.

    Poland and Baltics: as many as want to come who meet the basic test above. The likely number who'd want to come is about 3-5 million as an upper limit.

    Japan: Highest IQ nation in the world. Probably the least socially dysfunctional too. The small number of Japanese who want to migrate to the USA are already welcomed. Nonetheless, we should check to see how we can make it easier.

    http://polish.study-time.org/clothes-polish-vocabulary/polish-traditional-clothes4.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Anon, @Dennis

    Ukranians are like Albanians culturally.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Dennis

    They are not Muslims and have higher IQs than Albanians. The experience of Ukranians in Canada/USA was positive, Albanians in Western Europe seem to frequently be involved with crime and Islamic stuff, even if not as badly as Arab migrants. I am not saying ban them, but no reason to encourage them either.

    , @J.Ross
    @Dennis

    I was going to list most of the major ways they're different but they do have one very important similarity: neither can run their own country, both have suffered economic collapse and mass exodus. What did you specifically have in mind?

  255. @Dennis
    @Lot

    Ukranians are like Albanians culturally.

    Replies: @Lot, @J.Ross

    They are not Muslims and have higher IQs than Albanians. The experience of Ukranians in Canada/USA was positive, Albanians in Western Europe seem to frequently be involved with crime and Islamic stuff, even if not as badly as Arab migrants. I am not saying ban them, but no reason to encourage them either.

  256. @Dennis
    @Lot

    Ukranians are like Albanians culturally.

    Replies: @Lot, @J.Ross

    I was going to list most of the major ways they’re different but they do have one very important similarity: neither can run their own country, both have suffered economic collapse and mass exodus. What did you specifically have in mind?

  257. @SporadicMyrmidon
    @J.Ross

    I'm not certain that I'm reading your comment correctly, but I think you are raising a quite complex issue. Along some metrics, billionaires obviously feel an extraordinary degree of independence. But along other metrics, many billionaires are extremely constrained. I suppose it makes a great deal of difference what sort of wealth is involved, which is one of the reasons Trump, who seems to mostly own real stuff, can say what he wants on some level. But I suspect many billionaires have focused much of their lives on the details of how to acquire the wealth, and not on the interesting psychological and philosophical questions of what they can "get away with".

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I’m only interested in the present context: the one in which Ramaphosa has improved the usual model of his peer group only by getting the money first. If he declared his doctor king of Scotland there would either be media silence or explanations why “that’s a good thing.”

  258. @Anonymous
    @Daniel Chieh

    The big Xhosa vs. Zulu showdown is coming. The whites are no longer rulers of SA but it's still not clear who is going to succeed them. It will be like the Shona vs. Matabele showdown in Zimbabwe in the 1980s, but 100x more bloody.

    Replies: @PaulS

    Doubtful. The Xhosas don’t set foot in Natal and Zulus don’t set foot in the Eastern Cape.

    Almost all blacks in Durban are Zulus and in Cape Town they are Xhosas. They have claimed their respective territories and the borders are well defined.

    Johannesburg is a no man’s land where all tribes are represented.

    Zuma’s attempt to found a Zulu dynasty failed as there was heavy push back from the other tribes. Zulu’s cannot project power out of their home province.

  259. @PaulS
    @J.Ross

    South Africa has one of the most financialised economies in the world with finance making up 20% of gdp. The Johannesburg stock exchange has a market capitalisation of $1 trillion, just behind Sydney and ahead of Madrid and Taiwan. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stock_exchanges)

    Most corporate profits are generated outside of the country. Mostly supermarkets, cellular networks, and satellite tv as well as alcohol and tobacco, which operate across Africa.

    In fact the end of Apartheid was driven by corporate interests. Faced with the decline of South Africa's labour intensive deep level mines, which peaked in the 70s and then couldn't compete with modern mechanised mines in places like Australia, they pushed for the end of the system, which would allow them to pursue new sources of profits.

    Argiculture contributes less than 5% of South Africa's gdp, but land ownership is of immense symbolic value to black people. The ANC have had the power to expropriate land since 1994 but haven't pursued it since they were far more interested in cushy government jobs and 'black empowerment deals'. Ramaphosa himself owns the South African franchise of McDonalds. Selling fries is much easier and far more profitable than farming potatoes.

    Now that the ANC are facing a real threat in the 2019 elections, they need a populist policy to win the votes of the impoverished rural masses. Expect a few marginal family farms or some state owned land to be redistributed, but I highly doubt any corporate interests will be harmed by this policy. Mr Ramaphosa's $500 million portfolio depends on it.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    This is a great comment and I hope I can respond to it intelligently, but the main thing I get is white people being murdered with wood shop equipment will continue and nobody is going to do anything about it.

    • Replies: @PaulS
    @J.Ross

    Probably. Their isolation makes them vulnerable and the cops are useless. They are simply not high on anybody's list of priorities.

  260. @HA
    @Sam Haysom

    ">Steyn was the first mainstream conservative commentator to hit the demography is destiny button hard."

    Precisely. From his wiki:


    Steyn's work America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It is a New York Times bestselling nonfiction book published in 2006. It deals with the global war on terror and wider issues of demographics in Muslim and non-Muslim populations. It has been widely praised by conservative commentators, and recommended by George W. Bush.
     
    The entry mentions that Hitchens thought it was too hard on Muslims and that it got Steyn into legal trouble (later dismissed) with "Ontario Human Rights Commission", some north-of-the-border proxy for SPLC.

    In any case, that means it took him a good 2-3 years after 9/11 to change course enough to put together a book showcasing the failures of multi-cult immigration. And yet, despite that, he is now regarded as having "failed" and being "blind to existential issues" by the pearl-clutchers of unz.com who evidently reach for their smelling salts whenever his name is mentioned. How many books did any of them publish between September 2001 and 2006, I wonder?

    Who anoints these gatekeepers of ideological purity, anyway? Are they plants sent out by David Brock or George Soros maybe? Probably not, but that would actually make a lot more sense than being anyone who isn't out to shoot themselves in the foot.

    It's like some of the clowns here are dead set against anything that could lead to success, preferring to wallow instead in the failure that they think is inevitable when one is too good and pure for this wicked world. In the end, you've got to work with what you've got. And people here could do a whole lot worse than getting the likes of Steyn or Coulter.

    Replies: @Matra

    And yet, despite that, he is now regarded as having “failed” and being “blind to existential issues” by the pearl-clutchers of unz.com who evidently reach for their smelling salts whenever his name is mentioned. How many books did any of them publish between September 2001 and 2006, I wonder?

    Let me guess: You supported the utterly moronic Iraq war distraction. Now you are defending those blank slate conservatives who thought bringing democracy to Iraq would lead to a permanent change to the Arab Muslim political culture leading to peace between them and the West. The conservatives who smeared anyone who suggested immigration control after 9/11 instead of invading Iraq – a country hostile to AQ! – will never get over being shown to be wrong so they will continue to defend the people who blew the greatest opportunity of our lives to actually do something about demographic change. Whatever.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Matra

    "Let me guess: You supported the utterly moronic Iraq war distraction."

    What a surprise -- you couldn't even get that right. Given all the other nonsense you've posted in this thread, you're at least consistent about that.

    But hey, you keep on booting out of your movement anyone who doesn't meet your purity standards. When it comes to winning over the majority, you have a gift.

  261. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corn
    @Anonymous

    “If they had kept the outside world out and been Jew-wise, Jew-skeptical, and as emotionally hard as they were physically hard they’d still have their country,although they never had the opportunity the Rhodesians had to be really a white country.”

    Huh? The white population of Rhodesia was never as large, absolutely or percentage wise, as the white population of South Africa.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Yes, but there were no blacks at all in Rhodesia before the white man, whereas ZA had some, though a lot more came in to work for Boer and Jew employers.

    If the Mormons under Frigham, I mean, Brigham Young had made it to “Deseret-on-the-Zambezi” it would have been magnificent. At that time Mormonism was quite racially conscious and somewhat economically collectivist, though slackers were not tolerated, a perfect condition for rapid growth.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Anonymous

    That’d make a hell of an alternate history novel, Deseret in Africa.

  262. @Anonymous
    @Corn

    Yes, but there were no blacks at all in Rhodesia before the white man, whereas ZA had some, though a lot more came in to work for Boer and Jew employers.

    If the Mormons under Frigham, I mean, Brigham Young had made it to "Deseret-on-the-Zambezi" it would have been magnificent. At that time Mormonism was quite racially conscious and somewhat economically collectivist, though slackers were not tolerated, a perfect condition for rapid growth.

    Replies: @Corn

    That’d make a hell of an alternate history novel, Deseret in Africa.

  263. @Matra
    @HA

    And yet, despite that, he is now regarded as having “failed” and being “blind to existential issues” by the pearl-clutchers of unz.com who evidently reach for their smelling salts whenever his name is mentioned. How many books did any of them publish between September 2001 and 2006, I wonder?

    Let me guess: You supported the utterly moronic Iraq war distraction. Now you are defending those blank slate conservatives who thought bringing democracy to Iraq would lead to a permanent change to the Arab Muslim political culture leading to peace between them and the West. The conservatives who smeared anyone who suggested immigration control after 9/11 instead of invading Iraq - a country hostile to AQ! - will never get over being shown to be wrong so they will continue to defend the people who blew the greatest opportunity of our lives to actually do something about demographic change. Whatever.

    Replies: @HA

    “Let me guess: You supported the utterly moronic Iraq war distraction.”

    What a surprise — you couldn’t even get that right. Given all the other nonsense you’ve posted in this thread, you’re at least consistent about that.

    But hey, you keep on booting out of your movement anyone who doesn’t meet your purity standards. When it comes to winning over the majority, you have a gift.

  264. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie


    Our future is not black. At worst, it will be beige.
     
    Very cute. We're already (dark) beige. Unfortunately, it's about culture not color.

    Our culture is being wrecked by the constant flood of third-world immigrants, and you're celebrating it while denigrating those of us who dare to object. You have the entire internet to play in--nearly all of it is 'safe space' for people who think like you do. Yet you infest this small site which is one of a very few remaining places where self-respecting white people are permitted to speak with even the slightest degree of freedom.

    That "highly unlikely scenario" phrase you use is almost word-for-word what we were told when the bill of goods named Hart-Celler was being retailed. Now white people are down from 90% to only 50% of the population, our culture is being trashed, and it's not stopping, it's not reversing, it's accelerating. So excuse me if we're tired of your lies.

    The very last thing we need is to be lectured on this topic by the invaders themselves.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    We’re already (dark) beige.

    No, the country is expected to be majority Non-Hispanic white until 2045. It’s not “dark beige” yet.

    Unfortunately, it’s about culture not color.

    I don’t know what you mean by “it” though most things involving people are heredity + environment.

    Our culture is being wrecked by the constant flood of third-world immigrants, and you’re celebrating it

    Yes. No. You obviously don’t realize I’m an immigration restrictionist.

    denigrating those of us who dare to object.

    I denigrate those who engage in what Jack Hanson calls “doom masturbation.” I stand with those who object to the dramatic demographic and cultural transformation of our country and want to do constructive things to combat it, not those who ridiculously compare it to South Africa.

  265. @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    No one's complaining about a flood of Japanese immigrants, and I'll leave it to you to figure out the reasons for this on your own time.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    No one’s complaining about a flood of Japanese immigrants

    You missed the point. The point is that blacks, Hispanics, and Asians are not all the same. Heck, not all Asians are the same. Agglomerating all of them and putting them against whites is the construct the left wants. Don’t go along with it.

  266. @J.Ross
    @PaulS

    This is a great comment and I hope I can respond to it intelligently, but the main thing I get is white people being murdered with wood shop equipment will continue and nobody is going to do anything about it.

    Replies: @PaulS

    Probably. Their isolation makes them vulnerable and the cops are useless. They are simply not high on anybody’s list of priorities.

  267. @Anonymous
    @Charles Erwin Wilson


    Those SA whites need to emigrate as soon as possible, but their fate is not ours.
     
    They need to stay and fight to hold onto their land. God isn't making any more of it.

    Replies: @Crew Cut Man

    How exactly should they do this? They are vastly outnumbered and the weight of world opinion is completely against them. Opinion which will be backed up with embargoes munitions what have you.

    Besides, white people are being systematically dispossessed in the USA and in Europe and none of them are fighting. Quite the contrary, most welcome their own demise.

    It’s hard to respect people like that, so no one does.

  268. @Matra
    @Sam Haysom

    I've been reading Steyn since the 90s, so I generally like him. However, it was so damn obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense and a bit of worldly experience - which Steyn has having grown up in different countries - after 9/11 that immigration was the issue and that as tragic as 9/11 was it was also a golden opportunity, with a president at 90%+ approval, to finally do something constructive about immigration control that would save the nation from a demographic disaster. Instead the entire conservative media pushed for a mindbogglingly stupid (from an American perspective) war in Iraq. Steyn, along with Coulter and just about every prominent right wing commentator blew it. Big time. Since then Steyn, after being one of the best salesmen for Iraq, has been pushed out of NR as he's no longer useful to the neocons. At this stage even he - like Coulter - probably wishes he'd done things differently after 9/11 but it's too late. He failed. What good are conservative spokesmen if they are blind to existential issues?

    BTW equating not liking Steyn with tossing elderly Jews into ovens makes you look hysterical.

    Replies: @Sam Haysom, @MBlanc46

    George W. Bush—BUSH!— do something positive about immigration control? Surely you jest.

  269. @Anon
    @NickG

    Ramaphosa has powerful friends. There was a front-page expose of his corrupt deputy, and potential rival in the New York Times recently. Trump's Tweet won't be entirely unwelcome in Ramaphosa's circles.

    Malema seems to be losing his mind, literally. Has started ranting about Jews trying to kill him or some such thing. Idi Amin syndrome seems to have struck early. Ramaphosa will stall until 2019.

    As for the Boers, they're hooked on cheap black labor, and were too greedy to allow for a proper partition of South Africa on the terms of the white government.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @NickG

    As for the Boers, they’re hooked on cheap black labor, and were too greedy to allow for a proper partition of South Africa on the terms of the white government.

    That’s a myth; South Africa’s unit labour cost is high. Not because individuals earn much, but because productivity is so low.

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