Somewhat related:

300 recall ballots found in passed out felon’s car in 7 Eleven parking lot:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-23/torrance-police-find-more-than-300-ballots-in-suspects-car-along-with-gun-drugs

They also found drugs, multiple IDs, a gun, and credit cards. the honor student’s name has not been released.

When I was young, people would claim that it was the FBI or CIA who dunnit (whatever outrage “it” might be) and I scoffed.

Now, with the wisdom of the years, added to the displays by the US Securitate over 9/11, Russiagate, and so on, I begin to suspect that maybe there was more to “it” than met the eye.

Anyhoo, you might get lucky. Let the bugger out and maybe he’ll assassinate some other political creep. At least you could give him a decoration for keeping another Kennedy out of office.

I oppose the death penalty, but this is a hell of an argument in favor of it.

How can he be a real honor student without also being a member of Antifa?

There are lots of conspiracies associated with a number of those problem-child Kennedies. There’s got to be ONE of them that is right for JFK, as there are so many reasons certain people – Deep State, anybody? – WOULD have been out to get him, the odds are just not likely that none of them are the case. I wish his assassination hadn’t resulted in the rise of the Socialist Scumbag LBJ, but all of these guys were missing a Conservative “gene” so to speak.

For the rest of the “Clan”, well, the men are just a bunch of accident-prone screw ups. Skiing into trees, not knowing how to fly instruments in straight-and-level flight when you’ve been taught for 10 or more hours, driving drunk off bridges (and leaving her to SUFFOCATE)., etc. It’s not an accident when a whole family is accident-prone. They were just not prudent people, hence not Conservatives at heart.

The best thing since JFK Jr, kicked it (and nothing personal against that particular guy) is that we don’t have to hear from the women voters and cucks about “muh Kennedy Clan”, “Camelot!”, and “I’m in LUV!”

As for the main topic, that 77 y/o man will just die soon anyway, but it’s the deals like ex-Governor Cuomo’s pardon that really do the damage. Hey maybe George Soros would like to learn to fly, or ski, or take Hillary out on a date down on the Vinyed.

The modern world is like a neverending X-Files inspired serial where long lost plot elements suddenly reappear as ominous doom music plays the whole time.

“Kamala, you are not going to believe this!”
“Hahahahaha”

“Did the CIA kill Bobby Kennedy?”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/nov/20/usa.features11

the only other assassination of a sitting U.S. president, Huey Long in 1935,

I believe you mean senator, not president.

No question the MLK and RFK killings had hugely bad impacts on the US, and I don’t care for either man. The man who shot at FDR early in ’33 was executed before his inaugural or soon after. We shouldn’t mess around with political murder. OTOH, the man who shot Scalise was quickly dead and his crime forgotten by most.

So who’s the Criminal Elite’s target with this move; Creepy Joe or Kamala?

For example, George Soros actually is pretty smart, judging by his net worth, but even he feels compelled to stick with the catastrophic course he got himself on, even though he’s managing to ruin his reputation in his old age.

Classic self-unaware Steve Sailer

“America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor, and poor Americans are urged to hate themselves. To quote the American humorist Kin Hubbard, ‘It ain’t no disgrace to be poor, but it might as well be.’ It is in fact a crime for an American to be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by the American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters. The meanest eating or drinking establishment, owned by a man who is himself poor, is very likely to have a sign on its wall asking this cruel question: ‘if you’re so smart, why ain’t you rich?’ There will also be an American flag no larger than a child’s hand – glued to a lollipop stick and flying from the cash register.”

For Steve, every day is a new chance to grovel at the foot of a Jew. After all, Jews are rich, they must be high IQ.

But aren’t the cohorts of people most likely to be angry at somebody who shot RFK also the ones most likely to have sympathy for Sirhan Sirhan or to be less punitive in general? He is also odd in continuing to plead his innocence to this day. And, it seems likely that many in the Kennedy clan are suspicious of his guilt.

Anyway, my regular newsletter from Nature came in my inbox today and for the last 4 or 5 years has obliged itself to almost always have some kind of hectoring SJW silliness at the top on the front page (With often quite interesting content much lower down) often an opinion piece of little to no scientific value or claiming ‘racism’ where there isn’t any. Today’s is just below the second piece.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02288-x

Too many scientists still say Caucasian
Racist ideas of categories for human identity continue to warp research and medicine.
Alice B. Popejoy

She is a population geneticist and bioinformatician and in a piece that seemed to just be about how the term ‘Caucasian’ is weird and should be universally replaced with ‘European’ because it’s racist (Not because it’s just weird and unused outside the US where it paradoxically is used as a PC term for ‘white’) she writes this:

Of the ten clinical genetics labs in the United States that share the most data with the research community, seven include ‘Caucasian’ as a multiple-choice category for patients’ racial or ethnic identity, despite the term having no scientific basis. Nearly 5,000 biomedical papers since 2010 have used ‘Caucasian’ to describe European populations. This suggests that too many scientists apply the term, either unbothered by or unaware of its roots in racist taxonomies used to justify slavery — or worse, adding to pseudoscientific claims of white biological superiority.

I work at the intersection of statistics, evolutionary genomics and bioethics. Since 2017, I have co-led a diverse, multidisciplinary working group funded by the US National Institutes of Health to investigate diversity measures in clinical genetics and genomics (go.nature.com/3su2t8n).

Many working in genomics do have a nuanced understanding of the issues and want to get things right. Still, I have been dismayed by how often the academics and clinicians I’ve encountered shy away from examining, or even acknowledging, how racism warps science. Decades of analyses have shown that ‘racial groups’ are defined by societies, not by genetics. Only the privileged have the luxury of opining that this is not a problem. As a white woman, I too have blind spots that need constant examination.

This woman has a PhD in bioinformatics and heads an NIH funded lab on population genetics and just wrote this. Not only did she write it but it got published by Nature and not only that, Nature promoted it in their newsletter at the very top. If we take her at her word, how can her job or lab have any purpose?

Caucasian is used in the US and to a lesser extent in Canada as a PC term for white, a somewhat polite term to remove some discomfort or emotion from race discussions, it’s weird and it’s history is tied up with things she’d consider ‘racist’ but that isn’t it’s use today and there is no way she believes otherwise. Caucasian is still used by these outfits because that’s what on the US census, that’s how police refer to white people and people understand it’s meaning. It’ seen as more professioanl and polite. How she as an upper-middle class white woman pretends it’s actually a term which makes “claims of white biological superiority” says everything about the radicalisation and religious moment of America’s upper middle class. And how it gets published in Nature says everything about how scientific journals are beginning to be infested with ‘science communication’ types.

She then later complains that confounding of race an class is ignored as a factor in health disparities, as if people don’t realise this and don’t try to control for that when they can. And also complains like Steve about lumping Indians in with Chinese in the census while complaining that race doesn’t exist. Which is it, is it wrong to categorise people at all or are we not categorising them finely enough?

In essence it’s a result of the fast pace of demographic change and rhetoric intensification, to many ‘race doesn’t exist’ was the gold standard at attacking the core populations inclination to ingroup defense but now we’ve moved to the next phase of outgroup offense and it’s racist not to recognise them and their group interests. Like many theologians before her, she simultaneously sees the contradictions but has internalised both as truth. But she also gets the impetus of her religion “white man bad” and uses both as vectors to attack her enemy in the same piece.

Dr. Popejoy is described on her own Medium profile thusly:

Public Health Geneticist working at the intersections of genomics and society. Parkour athlete. Social justice activist wielding science and knowledge for good.

Her last two pieces on Medium was one bemoaning how few women do parkour. And how this must be a problem.
https://medium.com/@alicebpopejoy

It wasn’t an army that defeated the West, it was the kid gloves others treated two or three generations of Lisa Simpons.

The Washington Post then indulges in a lot of conspiracy theorizing about a Second Gunman. Liberal talk radio in L.A. in the 1970s featured endless RFK conspiracy theorizing (assassination conspiracy theorizing was a leftwing phenomenon a half century ago, although the curious MLK murder for some reason never got much traction).

I think the easy way to understand the popularity of conspiracy theorizing is that it provides a mental escape hatch when events invalidate a popular belief. For example, 1960s establishment Left-Liberalism included a lot of Communist sympathizers and fellow travelers who were also registered Democrats and supporters of JFK. So when a fellow Communist killed their darling president, they had two choices: 1) consider that their world-view was naïve, false, and wrong, or 2) conspiracy theory. Many opted for 2).

By contrast, even though MLK’s assassination was much less well witnessed and so seemingly much more open to alternative interpretation, when the authorities came up with a segregationist cracka as the killer a couple of months later, the establishment Left-Liberals just said, “well, of course” and no conspiracy theories were needed, notwithstanding that the accused perp himself was trying to promote one.

I saw this mechanism in action again after 9/11. Everyone I knew who was a kumbaya, multiculti, we-are-the-world proggie instantly somehow “knew” the the attack was an “inside job”, even though they knew nothing about Islam, Muslims, aircraft, structural steel, or the general fecklessness and incompetence of the US government. But what else were they gonna do? Accept that their prior beliefs were naïve, false, and wrong? No way! I would sometimes ask these people if they also thought that the Bali bombings, Madrid train bombings, London transport bombings, USS Cole bombing, Moscow theater hostage taking, and various other Islamist shootings and stabbings were all also “inside jobs”? This typically caused them to go suddenly walleyed as they had obviously never thought about it before. They had simply received a psychological shock on 9/11 and needed a quick palliative, and chanting “inside job” while ceasing to think about the subject was it.

(I write this as a gradual and partial convert to some of what Ron has covered in his American Pravda series. But accepting that American Pravda may have some correct points has required me to accept that some of my prior beliefs were naïve, false, and wrong. Which is the opposite of what the instant conspiracy theorists described above did.)

The concept didn’t really emerge until George Habash started pulling off spectacular stunts like hijacking and blowing up three jetliners simultaneously and culminating in the Munich Olympic atrocity in 1972.

Not to mention PLP-GC bombing Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie (helpfully moved by Wikipedia under Conspiracy Theories; yeah there is also a conspiracy theory that I have salmon in my freezer) in payback for the USS Vincennes aka. “Robocruiser” (apparently because it steamed around behaving a bit erratically as if on meth under “Captain Rogers”) feeling like downing an Iranian Airbus.

Prisons don’t really want to take care of 77 year olds because they often require expensive outside medical consultations. They would rather free up a cell for a younger and more deserving prisoner. Mister Sirhan can probably be supervised by probation services. He will not be allowed to have a gun, and he will not be allowed to vacation in Palm Beach, Florida.

Well, RFK’s family knows he’s innocent even if they don’t all care to stick their heads above the parapet – https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/05/26/who-killed-bobby-kennedy-his-son-rfk-jr-doesnt-believe-it-was-sirhan-sirhan/

Powder burns were found behind his ear, but the Palestinian was nowhere near the back of his head.

Robert F Kennedy was assassinated by Thane Eugene Cesar, declares RFK Jr, – https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7456521/Robert-F-Kennedy-assassinated-Thane-Eugene-Cesar-Sirhan-Sirhan-says-RFK-Jr.html

RFK, no doubt, had strong suspicions about (((who))) offed his brother and was a threat.

GREAT photo and summary here – https://pulsemedia.org/2009/08/28/the-kennedys-vs-israels-lobby/

See Michael Piper’s Final Judgment for lots of suppressed “hate” facts – https://wikispooks.com/wiki/File:Final_Judgment.pdf

Mr. Unz’s American Pravda series has much to offer, too.

White lives don’t matter

Best 9/11 conspiracies are those which posit technology to accomplish something that can be perfectly accomplished by driving planes into buildings, said technology not even existing 20 years later. It’s as if some gamer who knows about reality by playing Metal Gear is let out of the basement. These got to be smokescreens by TLAs to hide the real conspiracies or else fully deranged people somehow managing to stay in the news for 20 f*cking years.

– Directed energy weapons!
– Super special explosives that nobody has ever seen!
– A nuclear device that doesn’t blitz onlookers and leaves no radioactivity!
– Plasma weapons / Fusion power weapons!
– There were no planes so the planes are created by holographic projectors! (Huh?)
– There were planes but they were controlled by remote control!
– There were planes but some were actually cruise missiles!

The last two are kinda within the realm of the possible but still deranged.

There some fat bitches in the photo. Those don’t do parkour.

In any case, you haven’t really done parkour until your medical bills reach at least 50 grand excluding dentals.

Thanks for the world’s most hilariously convoluted attempt to shoehorn race into a very simple thing. Sirhan got out because CIA cutout Thane Eugene Cesar kicked the bucket. CIA botched Sirhan’s assassination in 2019, and it’s kind of embarrassing to take a mulligan (though they did it with the WTC.) And Pepper proved CIA did it so they have to let Sirhan out so CIA can kill him easier.

Remember this the next time some Leftist tells you we can abolish the death penalty and replace it with life without parole. They are now actively trying to end life without parole. They won’t even keep the murderer of a Kennedy in prison.

They can do that because they now effectively have abolished the death penalty. There are annually about 15,000 murders per year (prior to the massive increase in murders last year), and only about a dozen people are executed in the US annually now.

Their next goal is a massive reduction in the length of sentences, including for murderers, and they are well on their way to accomplishing that. And it’s not necessarily something driven by partisan ideology so much as some naive belief in the idea that murderers can reform themselves – and the automatic assumption that they will reform themselves. I once was mentioned to a Leftist colleague that Anders Breivik, the Norwegian who murdered 77 leftist kids at a political summer camp in, had only received a 10 year sentence, and he was actually cool with that. He assumed Breivik would totally be a reformed man after just 10-20 years in prison.

In Utah about 100 murders are committed each year, but we haven’t had an execution since 2010 and, if I’m not mistaken, no prosecutor has even attempted to impose the death penalty in over a decade. In 2016 our 80%+ Republican Senate even managed to vote 15-12 to pass a Republican sponsored bill (S.B. 189) to end the death penalty. Fortunately the bill managed to die in the House.

Ok Shlomo.

In 1989, he told David Frost: “My only connection with Robert Kennedy was his sole support of Israel and his deliberate attempt to send those 50 bombers to Israel to obviously do harm to the Palestinians.”

Give the guy a medal

My understanding is that MLK conspiracy theories have more traction among African Americans, including MLK’s own family. And since the FBI had actually conspired against MLK, it’s understandable to think there are larger forces at work. But in the first world lone wackos really outpunch large organizations in the assassination department.

He isn’t out yet. Political prisoner is bad fate. See Julian Assange.

There are a million old Jews who think Sirhan did it because he is anti semitic. Is there a prediction market bet?

Prisons don’t really want to take care of 77 year olds because they often require expensive outside medical consultations. They would rather free up a cell for a younger and more deserving prisoner. Mister Sirhan can probably be supervised by probation services. He will not be allowed to have a gun, and he will not be allowed to vacation in Palm Beach, Florida.

Just as easy for a prison to take care of him as for Medicare or hospice. Unless they’re releasing all the elderly prisoners with health issues – lots of criminals don’t age well, I would guess (just look at OJ Simpson) – then dealing with inmates with health issues is something they do all the time.

And I’m totally sure that a government that can’t – well, won’t – prevent 200,000+ people from entering the country illegally each month will totally make sure Sirhan doesn’t have access to a firearm or visiting Palm Beach. After all, where would a Middle Easterner find someone in the Middle Eastern community willing to illegally sell him a gun? Middle Eastern immigrants, as we all know, all meticulously stay on the right side of the law.

“Their next goal is a massive reduction in the length of sentences, including for murderers, and they are well on their way to accomplishing that.”

I agree with the main point of your post, but I’m guessing Derek Chauvin, James Fields and that Capitol “rioter” might beg to differ with you about current sentencing practices.

I know, there’s a distinction to be made between the particular and the general…

Like I always say:

“If guns are outlawed, how will we kill the Kennedys?”

After all, Sirhan Sirhan merely single-handedly deprived American voters of a major choice in the making of the President 1968. What’s that compared to George Soros’s war on the New Jim Crow?

What is the evidence that Soros got this prosecutor elected?

Remember this the next time some Leftist tells you we can abolish the death penalty and replace it with life without parole. They are now actively trying to end life without parole. They won’t even keep the murderer of a Kennedy in prison.

To not mention Jonathan Pollard.

If one reads Soros one is not left with the impression that he’s very smart.

Occam’s Razor suggests that his wealth flows more from the unique acuteness of his psychopathology – from youth to dotage an unbroken strain of profiting from the misfortune of others en masse and a willingness to cause such misfortune as necessary to generate said profit – than whatever putative intelligence that fails to make it from his brain to his pen.

This poll confirms my suspicion that lockdowns are only supported by white liberal assholes. The problem is such demographic is largely in control of COVID policy.

57% of voters believe that lockdowns did more harm than good. The only category <50% (at 37%) is white Dems. pic.twitter.com/gzHViCq3v5

— Brumby (@the_brumby) August 24, 2021

That’s not all they’re in control of. Not easy to find something they’re not.

https://twitter.com/TheAgeofShoddy/status/1430652713289854978?s=20

Sirhan Sirhan, convicted of Robert F. Kennedy assassination, seeks parole with no opposition from prosecutors

That seems fair, given that he may not have actually shot RFK in the first place.

Yes, they release a lot of elderly prisoners with health issues.

Dear Steve,

Yes, if we were on the Parole Board, we would not let Sirhan Sirhan out of jail!

No political killer should walk around a free man (or woman)- not in today’s America!

Thankfully, Steve, assassinations are now part of our past, and in today’s America we just have to worry about ‘suicides’ and robberies on the streets of DC ‘going wrong’…

Yours,

Bill and Hillary Killton

Kennedys have no traction, when was the last time one was considered for a political office? Today’s dems don’t invoke JFK, too centrist, after all, asking …” what can you do for your country” and not the reverse. Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, avowed radical communists and members of the terrorist Weather Underground, mentors of obama and surrogate parents to San Francisco DA, chesa boudin, dedicated their communist manifesto, “Prairie Fire” to Sirhan Sirhan. And these people still have clout. boudin’s father, convicted of Second Degree murder for his role in a robbery to fund the Weather Underground, was just granted clemency by andrew cuomo. Interesting thread that runs through all these people.

OT

NGO workers aren’t stupid. Nor are Bill and Melinda Gates.

More than 60 NGOs call for spending rule change, saying people on frontline of climate crisis want greater access to reproductive healthcare

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/aug/26/use-your-11bn-climate-fund-to-pay-for-family-planning-uk-told

Basically, spend money to reduce African population growth to combat climate change, poverty and other problems.

It seems that everyone wants what would be the effects of a One Child policy for Africa and everyone wants richer Africans. Fortunately, these two would go together

There’s no shortage of people who are mostly unaware of the suffering their actions will cause others or who feel they have no other choice, but there are not many world-spanning billionaires.

Has your date been fixed then?

Just as easy for a prison to take care of him as for Medicare or hospice. Unless they’re releasing all the elderly prisoners with health issues – lots of criminals don’t age well, I would guess (just look at OJ Simpson) – then dealing with inmates with health issues is something they do all the time.

Have you really studied this issue in depth?

https://www.caregiver.org/news/unintended-consequence-elderly-prisoners/

Correctional facilities throughout California have neither the financial or medical resources to deal with the ever-expanding population of elderly prisoners.

“Prisons were never designed to be geriatric facilities,” stated Jamie Fellner, author of the HRW report. ”Yet US corrections officials now operate old age homes behind bars.”

In particular, California has experienced a startling increase in the number of inmates aged 55 or older. Between 1990 and 2009, the percentage of older prisoners increased by more than 500 percent.

The inevitable consequence of these stark numbers is the soaring healthcare costs. On average, the cost of housing for an elderly prisoner in California is nine times higher compared to a young prisoner.

California is now facing a crisis, not only of overcrowded prisons, but a graying population as well. Prisoners suffering from Alzheimer’s pose a unique challenge for correctional officers.

The New York Times reports that inmates with dementia often go unnoticed in the overcrowded and understaffed prisons, and at times are responsible for violent disturbances in the facilities. Plagued by paranoia, confusion, and memory loss, some elderly inmates will attack staff and fellow prisoners; a few cannot even recall their crimes.

And I’m totally sure that a government that can’t – well, won’t – prevent 200,000+ people from entering the country illegally each month will totally make sure Sirhan doesn’t have access to a firearm or visiting Palm Beach.

People are often supervised these days via having a communications device that broadcasts their location locked to their leg. In any case, such a high profile parolee would find it hard to evade supervision. Most likely he would be in some kind of Medicaid residential facility, where his whereabouts would be logged several times daily.

Anyway, none of us have talked to the guy, let alone professionally evaluated him to know what he is now capable of, or incapable of, any more than we know whether Britney Spears needs court-ordered supervision or not.

I just listened to Joe Rogan’s almost 3 hour interview with Tom O’Neill about his book CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties. If O’Neill’s research doesn’t persuade you that the CIA is capable of anything, nothing will.

https://jrelibrary.com/1459-tom-oneill/

What gets me is that Rogan will say, “Wow, they were up to some crazy shit back then.” Back then?! What about the last five years?

Can’t tell from her various on-line profiles, but if that is her familial surname, it appears religious extremism is baked into her genetic cake.

What would interest Sirhan in Palm Beach? Mar-a-Lago? I believe the Kennedys sold Joe’s house after pantless Teddy was revealed.

It doesn’t matter what the Soros DA does this time. There is no way the parole board will let Sirhan go. Democrats still believe in the myth of the Kennedy greatness, and California is filled with Kennedy Democrats.

Democrats believe in being very malicious to their enemies, and Sirhan is an enemy for interrupting the Kennedy presidential dynasty.

…a setup to give embattled Gov. Gavin Newsom a political win… But I think people like Gascon do stupid stuff [snip]

How much power does either have over the parole board? I’m guessing not much (L.A. County having been founded by Midwest refugees miffed over that style of 1890s city-politics arm-twisting). Schwarzenegger commuted the former state Assembly speaker’s son’s sentence, a kickback he got nothing out of, other than getting to finally admit the legislature machine is in charge.

Gascon isn’t doing anyone a favor, though I wouldn’t aggrandize it to the status of “chess move” — it’s discipline-and-punish as Foucault would say. This passive-aggressive sit-out pleases the D.A.’s “constituency,” as such, and makes life bad for people outside it as a bonus. No naivete required

and 9-year-old me thinking, “No, Rafer Johnson helped get the gun away from the assassin.”

Origin story of Steve’s suspicion of The Narrative.

A few decades ago I read a book which claimed there was a massive conspiracy to kill MLK, and that there was never a fair trial.

I read the book because the Forward was written by Jesse Jackson, who reported the King family favored a retrial and investigation. Recall Jackson next to King during the assassination.

Here is where it gets weird. One of the points used to convince Jackson and the Kings was a file of hotel records. It seems there were some FBI agents who checked in and out of hotels in Memphis around the time of the assassination. Then the author showed the same names from hotel records in Dallas at the time of JFK’s assassination.

It could be that the FBI was following around both JFK and MLK. Or, …

In any case, it was interesting to see a conspiracy theory tying the assassinations of JFK and MLK together.

Since 2017, I have co-led a diverse, multidisciplinary working group funded by the US National Institutes of Health to investigate diversity blah blah blah

Wasn’t that the motto in “Glengarry Glen Ross?” Always Be Co-Leading

This one was particularly focused, and unusually malevolent. Not so much “unaware” about the sufferings of others, but uncaring. Somehow I think you understand.

The science on this is already settled

For example, George Soros actually is pretty smart, judging by his net worth, but even he feels compelled to stick with the catastrophic course he got himself on, even though he’s managing to ruin his reputation in his old age.

Powerful People (e.g. mysterious three letter agencies and their backers) start wars, poison the populace for profits, and do other dastardly deeds. Who suffers? The middle class suffers.

Woke Warriors (e.g. the Soroses, the Zucks, the Bezes et al) react against the dastardly deeds done to oppressed class by engaging in their own wars of righteousness for the Putative victims of Powerful People. Who suffers? The middle class suffers.

Rich man’s war, poor man’s fight.

According to Bernice King, all white people murdered her dad, including the >60% of us who weren’t alive when he died

https://mobile.twitter.com/BerniceKing/status/1299340664409395202

@Ron Unz – do you have anything to say about Sithan’s purported guilt in this case or his imminent release from prison?

The SJW nonsense will increase every day for the foreseeable future. The collapse of the American empire may or may not stop the descent into the new Dark Ages.

For example, George Soros actually is pretty smart, judging by his net worth, but even he feels compelled to stick with the catastrophic course he got himself on, even though he’s managing to ruin his reputation in his old age.

Getting guys like Chesa Boudin and Larry Krasner and Keith Ellison elected as DA or Attorney General is obviously just evil. Is being evil Soros’s motivation? Does he have some reason to want to do as much harm as he can to normal Americans? Or is he a frontman for somebody else, maybe the Chinese? I admit that Soros being a frontman for the Chinese is a crazy conspiracy theory, but I suspect there is some crazy stuff involving Soros that we have no inkling of.

I support the death penalty and this is one of my many arguments in favor of it.

That was covered in a documentary, along with other details. It was basically a classic demonstration of serial cock-ups.
An Iranian F-14 was using the same airport as the airliner. When the airliner took off the tracking computer on the Vincennes erroneously attached the F-14’s military IFF code to the display icon for the airliner. Eventually as the planes got farther apart , the system display corrected and replaced the military IFF code with the civilian flight number. Everyone in the combat control center either never noticed the change, or thought it was still still the Iranian F-14 using a civilian transponder in order to sneak up on the Vincennes.
As the airliner approached, the display showed the airliner’s altitude, which was increasing. The fire control officer looked at it and saw what he expected to see, that the altitude was dropping as it would with a fighter diving to attack. The Captain was now trying to deal with the air threat, while simultaneously tracking the engagement with the gunboats and getting increasingly frustrated at the failure to score any hits on them. He glanced at the airliner’s display and also thought he saw the altitude dropping.
A radio operator who was tasked with contacting the threatening aircraft and warning it off, assumed the target was a fighter and used a military frequency, which the airliner couldn’t hear. The radio operator finally switched to a civilian airliner frequency but wasn’t familiar with civilian radio protocol and didn’t reference the airliner flight number. He started calling for “aircraft approaching US ship” to change course or be fired on. All the airplanes in the area heard those radio calls but no one, including the pilots of the Iranian airliner knew who the hell he was talking to.
One thing that the Navy inquiry conspicuously left out of their report was that Captain Rogers had violated standing orders by entering Iranian waters in pursuit of the gunboats, and otherwise wouldn’t have been in a spot to shoot down the airliner.

He’s been in prison for 53 years. He is guilty of killing one person with a handgun and guilty of political assassination. Whether he qualifies for parole or not should depend on whether or not he has served the mandatory minimum (he apparently has) and the degree to which he has been a disciplinary problem in prison.

The real outrage is the commutation granted Chesa Boudin’s father in New York. If New York had a sane schedule of penalties, participation in an armed robbery which resulted in the deaths of three people would bring down a capital sentence on all of the participants. Chesa’s papa should have been put in front of a firing squad 30+ years ago.

Remember Emily Harris of the Symbionese Liberation Army fame? She was a participant in one kidnapping for ransom (no clue about about California; that’s an A-I felony in New York) and three armed robberies. She’s likely guilty of harboring two men guilty of one premeditated murder and one attempted murder. Most importantly, she murdered a pregnant woman in the course of one of those armed robberies. This array of crimes should have sufficed to get her locked up for about 50 years if not executed. She actually served 12 years. For whatever reason, the felony murder rule was never applied to her and it took the Stupidstan of California 27 years to prosecute her for the murder of Myrna Opsahl; she was permitted to plead and paroled after four years. Our judiciary is a a scandal.

It’s not interesting. It’s just stupid.

How about this guy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Collazo

Sentenced to death, but given life thanks to Truman (the target of the assassination attempt). Then let out by good ‘ol Jimmy Carter and decorated by Castro.

By no international or historical standard are ‘the people’ in this country ‘mainly poor’.

If I were Sirhan x2 I’d be memorizing Morgan Freebird’s speech from Shawshank.

I would also have a poster of Duran Duran in my cell and a Little Caesar’s “Pizza Pizza!” box cover.

It depends on what “smart” means. Doubtless, Soros is a brilliant speculator; on the other hand, his political machinations are evidently a product of a deranged mind.

Better question is: why is he still around? How come all his NGOs & various misdeeds haven’t been publicly unmasked and condemned?

I’m not sure RFK represented any great choice in ’68. He had no brilliant ideas on exiting Vietnam, meaning the war would have continued just as it did. His support for Israel in their lebensraum project was pretty shocking in 1968 given that the entire U.S. State Dept. (and official U.S. policy) was opposed to that land grab, although to be fair the government’s cover up on the USS Liberty showed who was really running things. RFK understood all this. Lots of “liberal” Jews in NY cried when he got shot, guys like Jack Newfield…RFK was their puppet and expert goy manipulator.

So why not release Sirhan. The Brits released Pan Am 103 bomber Megrahi after 8 1/2 years in prison, then told Americans who complained to fuck off.

Most of the Men Of UNZ believe Sirhan Sirhan didn’t kill Kennedy. It was an Illuminati/ Satanist operative named Thane Cesar working for the Zionists Vatican CIA Bilderberg Group Council on Foreign Relations Davis Group Fugger Frescobaldi and Rothschild
families the conspirators who killed his brother President Kennedy the military industrial complex and and various others.

So what’s the problem? .

“Ok, but Sirhan Sirhan still is the same person who committed an atrocious crime.”

The person who committed the crime was Thane Caesar who, at that time, was employed at Hughes Aircraft in Burbank.

“although the curious MLK murder for some reason never got much traction”

The MLK murder is indeed curious and got plenty of traction outside conventional wisdomist circles.

“So, back then Sirhan was just some implausible-sounding Lone Wolf”

Like the other two infamous lone wolf political assassins of the 1960s — LH Oswald and James Earl Ray — Sirhan had a number of groomers around him before the killing. Shadowy characters with sketchy employment histories who always seemed to have access to large sums of money. Characters who faded back into the woodwork after the killing.

Soros has done more damage to the US than mustache guy ever did. Yet he still is welcome here.

Breaking news, officials confirm that Sirhan had no involvement with the murder of Emmett Till.

I would say they are not opposing his release precisely because he was a Palestinian terrorist. There is no sympathy for Kennedy and much less for the American people by our multi-culti Woke elite. But there would be a great deal of sympathy for a Palestinian terrorist.

As for Mr. Sirhan, his supporters have predictably both declared his innocence and stated that he has expressed remorse and so should be released.

But count on this, if released this murderer will be lionized upon release by the people proclaiming his innocence. He will be considered a hero. A hero for what exactly?

“It’s just stupid.”

When are you going to release the pix you took at Roddy McDowall’s Escape from the Planet of the Apes wrap party? How did you get your mind so nice and tidy? Did you receive my recent Ancient Aliens newsletter? Tell Steve I have more potatoes than eggs this month so I’ll be sending him five pounds of potato salad.

Sirhan should return to Jerusalem.

For example, George Soros actually is pretty smart, judging by his net worth, but even he feels compelled to stick with the catastrophic course he got himself on, even though he’s managing to ruin his reputation in his old age.

At this point, I don’t know anymore if it’s disingenuity or cluelessness by Steve.

“Ruin his reputation in old age”??
When in Hell Soros had a “reputation” to ruin?
In his youth when he was helping confiscate property from his fellow Jews?
Or in 1992 when the shorted the British pound?

And Steve does the same thing dismissing the “not so great reset” as just a silly idea by billionaires that for some reason are acting like bumbling morons who don’t know what they were doing.

Probably, Steve sucks up to rich and famous and smart, high-status people, because he wishes he was as rich and famous and smart and high-status as them; and so he tries to protect their “reputation”.

But to paint them as dumb morons who somehow don’t know what they are doing, or that they are engaging in evil stuff “by accident” or “by mistake”, is just embarrassing.

You cite The Guardian? Voice of the Communist Party of Great Britain since the party was founded? Nowadays devotes itself to the genocide of the native White people of the U.K. and replacement by black and browns governed by sharia law?

You are a retarded brainwashed loathsome liberal moron. Probably think Cuba is the most prosperous nation in the Americas because of Castro. Probably donate To BLM Probably donated to Obama worked on his campaign and voted for him. The Guardian

Typical Man of UNZ . No ability to think for himself. Just ask google and cite the first loathsome liberal propaganda that shows up.

The Guardian You Might as well cite The Forward, The Nation and The Daily Worker. Or Mark Lane.

>Given Muslim bomb-planting
… okay …
>an airliner should fly like a fighter
… nope.
Conspiracy theory is a false category. No doubt your logic is sound and applies insofar as it does. Conspiracy theory can be thought of as a spectrum, with one end touching undoubted plots to break law (eg, Pontiac’s native attempt to imitate European fire ships, or Booth shooting Lincoln, if he did, or the Bolshevik Revolution), the other end at clearly false or impossible conjectures (like the visions of Francis Dec, who may have been faking insanity because of his self-wrought legal troubles), and everything in the middle suffering examination depending on available evidence. If you do that you don’t end up with nothing. Given a choice between calling Sydney Schanberg or John McCain a liar, I’m not sure what McCain could have possibly done to make me accuse Schanberg. He did have a nice house …
Reliably, the man who asks me to dismiss what he calls “conspiracy theory” loses no time in asking me to fear Russian hackers or Iraqi rocket tubes or Phantom Nazis.

Problem: why would a wet team check in under their proper names? Did they also register their gun serial numbers?
The strongest negative case is that the guy who is supposed to have done it should not have been able to — he had just gotten out of prison on the other side of the country and had no money. I’m not sure that you can make a positive case, even if the Kings were sold, and definitely not with hotel records.

Abolish the drug war and eliminate the profit element. Then the drug gangs (not Big Pharma) will move on to other pursuits.

An overall reduction in the level of violence will reduce the in-flow of felons, thereby ending the scam of parole as a means to de-overcrowd prisons.

A_p_e will produce similar effects.

Accident prone is a euphemism for drunk or drugged. Best place to get drunk or do drugs is at home bear a couch or bed.

Not at a party or bar where you’ll have to drive home. Not just before you get on a boat or fly your plane get on a surfboard or sky down the mountain.

That interview was great and is required listening for anyone interested in the CIA, MK-Ultra and the 1960s and 1970s. O’Neill is so careful to say this is what I can prove and this is what my guess is; very clarifying. He can put Manson and West in SF at the same time and roughly the same place but can’t physically put them in the same room. Maybe someday.

Some people need more evidence that intel services have developed capabilities that are beyond what we can rationally accept. Derren Brown provides some.

Careful, Joe, don’t jinx us! We just got rid of one of the assholes 2 years ago.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/joe-kennedy-iii-loses-to-incumbent-ed-markey-in-dem-primary/

Kennedys are like cockroaches; step on one and three more pop up!

Great book, which I was turned on to by an Unz article. Doesn’t this dead Kennedy’s son reject the idea that Sirhan killed his dad?

O’Neill is so careful to say this is what I can prove and this is what my guess is; very clarifying.

To me, that’s what made the book believable. That and the fact that in gossipy Hollywood, nobody wanted to go on record, 25 years after the events.

This is just Wikipedia, so accuracy is not at all guaranteed. Yet even here it can be seen what was done in the US and Canada as part of the MK-Ultra program. Donald Cameron was an evil man. His evil clearly lives on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron

On topic: was Sirhan Sirhan just an angry Arab, or was he one of the early MK-Ultra windup toys turned loose for a purpose?

If he was crazy 50+ years ago, is he sane now? Or if he was sane and criminal 50+ years ago, is he still sane?

Not sure what you’re point is? We’re going to be paying these healthcare costs whether they are in prison or not. If they aren’t in prison the bills will just be paid for by Medicare or Medicaid. I guess they should have thought about this when they stopped executing murderers.

If only Huey Long had been President. America wouldn’t be in the mess it is now.

But I think people like Gascon do stupid stuff less because they are super smart than that they get stupid ideas in their head

No, Steve. Some people are wreckers who just want to burn it all down. In a religious context you might say the Devil possessed him. Whether it’s that or just some other mental illness, who knows. But he’s a sick, twisted bastard who should be put out to sea on a plank. No sane society would suffer his presence.

It’s appropriate that you add you little snide remark about groveling to the Jews to the above quote. The words are by Vonnegut, in Slaughterhouse Five, but they are put in the mouth of Howard Campbell, an American Nazi ass-clown/traitor:

In other words, you have taken at face value what Vonnegut meant as a ridiculous parody. Even in the 1940s, Americans were not “mainly poor”, even by first world standards (in the Grapes of Wrath the Joads drive an automobile, albeit a broken down jalopy. The average British or German working man of that time (even men with regular factory jobs let alone the homeless) had a bicycle and couldn’t dream of owing an automobile, and wouldn’t have one (at least not one we would consider to be a “real” car) until decades into the American financed postwar prosperity era). And in the 75 years since the setting of that quote, Americans have become vastly richer.

I voted in the primary that Kennedy won. It was the first election I was old enough to vote. I voted for McCarthy. He wanted us out of Vietnam and so did I. The issues then were many of the same issues we are facing today.
We do not need any more refugees from war-torn countries. We need to quit trying to save the world. Sirhan Sirhan is one of many who did not and will not enrich our country. Letting him go free will tick off a lot of people. Maybe that’s good to help prevent us “saving” thousands of Afghans.

In other news, a feral negress attacks a white toddler in front of her mother in the Bronx.

Stay tuned for the New York Times editorial, “She Had it Coming.”

We shouldn’t mess around with political murder.

If someone has to be murdered, better a politician than an innocent.

The poor in the US should be judged by the standards of the US, not international standards. We are Americans, we are better than the rest of the world.

Sirhan’s brother is apparently planning to take him in. Maybe they are planning to do jihad together, maybe not.

Democrats waste trillions of $ on all sorts of worthless shit, so pardon me if I think that their sudden concern for finances is not sincere. If it costs the treasury a few $ to keep some elderly prisoners in prison instead of in a government financed nursing home, this is a small price to pay for the deterrent effect of a life sentence. Ideally, we say to people, “if you take someone’s life, we will take yours” (California in fact has the death penalty on the books to this day, passed repeatedly by referendum, but the POS governor refuses to carry out the law). But, barring that, we say to people, “if you take someone’s life, we will never allow you to walk the streets again, even if you live to 120. Consider that before you pull the trigger.” Letting Sirhan and other elderly prisoners go muddles that message. It says once again (as if it hasn’t been demonstrated often enough) that the government cannot be trusted to keep its promises.

This is all part of the Democrat frog boiling method. First they promise us, “if you get rid of the death penalty, we’ll impose life in prison without parole instead – it’s just as good.” Then if the sucker voters take the bait, the next step is “sorry, just kidding. We can’t actually afford to keep people in prison for their entire life so we have to let them go when they become elderly.” The next step is playing with the definition of “elderly” – first you set it to 75, then 70, then 65, etc. You boil the frog slowly.

If not even an uber liberal (beholden to the Kennedys) DA can keep Sirhan Sirhan in prison, what hope does the family of a victim killed by Dontavious or La’ Treen have?

In Miami a White man from Colorado was shot dead by a black dude for no other reason than he was White. No reason. The DA is probably going to drop charges in exchange for the dude spending a few weeks in a mental institution.

The police, cops, DAs, Judges, and Courts exist to punish YOU for being White, law abiding, middle class, and more. You are GUILTY! and will be punished. Meanwhile the vibrant person of color will increase vibrancy by cultural enrichment daily.

Eventually White people will realize (as they mostly already are) that EVERY facet of Government, Corporations, the Law, Prosecutors, and more HATE THEM AND WANT THEM DEAD. For the crime of their skin color. Which they cannot change, and gives them hereditary guilt, blood guilt that can never be washed away. Anything and everything done to them is justice because they were guilty from before birth. If even the Kennedys can’t keep Sirhan Sirhan in prison, what hope does the ordinary person have? Nothing.

Which means individual efforts along those lines are going to come into play. With, essentially nothing to lose.

Brutus, where have you been? I think in some way andrew cuomo is a shirt tail Kennedy. No more kennedys, cuomos or bushes ! Stay safe.

you have taken at face value what Vonnegut meant as a ridiculous parody.

Vonnegut parodies the rhetoric, a bit, but not the sentiment. Is Campbell delusional? To my mind Vonnegut (ex adman & car salesman) thinks of Campbell as the ultimate American— doing what it takes to “make it” in the world. The ultimate delusion if you will. (Watched the clip but it’s far from faithful to the novel.)

Sirvan Dirham didn’t shoot Bob Kennedy. It was a set-up and Sigan was the patsy. One of his bodyguards did shoot him.

He is guilty of killing one person with a handgun

Actually Sirhan shot six people that night but only one (Kennedy) died. This is perhaps more on account of his puny weapon (a .22 revolver) than the application of Sailer’s Law (Arabs count as white or did at least until recently). The small caliber allowed for the barrel of his revolver to contain 8 rounds.

The last 15 times Sirhan came up for parole, the parole board did not think he was a suitable candidate. If they suddenly change their minds now, I am guessing it has more to do with Current Year California Democrat politics than with any change in Sirhan’s disciplinary record (which BTW has always been clean and which BTW is not the only factor that they board is required to consider).

You can add assault charges to if you’d like. Not sure any of the others were seriously injured. Interestingly enough, Vincent Bugliosi, meticulous and industrious conspiracy skeptic, was in regard to the RFK assassination partial to the thesis that there was a 2d gunman they never apprehended.

The problem with implementing capital punishment has been manufactured by the judiciary, but no one assaults them or takes their toys away from them in retaliation, so the beat goes on.

his is perhaps more on account of his puny weapon (a .22 revolver) than the application of Sailer’s Law (Arabs count as white or did at least until recently).

A so-called “Saturday Night Special”, and surely this particular assassination was strong motivation for some parts of the Gun Control Act of 1968 that put many restrictions on imported pistols…the Kennedys being the true Holy Family for Dems in the 1960’s.

The small caliber allowed for the barrel cylinder of his revolver to contain 8 rounds.

FIFY. No charge, this time. I’ll just make up the difference on volume.

And in the 75 years since the setting of that quote, Americans have become vastly richer.

Yes, and fatter.

The last 15 times Sirhan came up for parole, the parole board did not think he was a suitable candidate. If they suddenly change their minds now, I am guessing it has more to do with Current Year California Democrat politics than with any change in Sirhan’s disciplinary record (which BTW has always been clean and which BTW is not the only factor that they board is required to consider).

No, it’s not the only factor they’re required to consider. In a sensible system of criminal justice, it’s the only factor they do consider.

Punishment formulae are properly specified in statutes. Factual determinations which function as arguments in the formulae are properly made by a judge and assessors in a sentencing hearing. The only discretion a judge should have is (1) in re warrants and summonses, (2) findings of probable cause, (3) ratification of plea agreements, and (4) rulings on questions of law.

Parole has a practical function: to persuade convicts it is in their interest to obey the guards and not mix it up with each other or vandalize the premises. There are more aversive methods available, of course.

I don’t care for the Kennedys. In fairness to that particular Kennedy, he didn’t have any notable scandals adhering to him. One of the oddities of the Kennedy family is that the worst among them seem to have the longest careers. Edward Kennedy’s older son, by all appearances a satisfactory person, spent four years in the Connecticut legislature, then went home. Mark Shriver was in the Maryland legislature for a couple of terms, then stood down. Kathleen Townsend discovered she was dead inventory in Maryland. OTOH, Edward Kennedy’s alcoholic younger son was in public office continuously in Rhode Island for 22 years.

Sirhan has served enough time. I would have paroled. him 20 years ago.

I would parole that Manson girl too, the cute one.

… (assassination conspiracy theorizing was a leftwing phenomenon a half century ago, although the curious MLK murder for some reason never got much traction).

The key is “leftwing.” The MLK murder didn’t get traction because the suspect was a White boy who was neither a communist nor a brown terrorist.

Steve correctly implies here that the real reason for the conspiracy-hypothesizing-efforts at exoneration is because the obvious villains are favorite children of the left.

But I always found RFK conspiracy theorizing boring compared to JFK, the gold standard of conspiracy theories.

Case in point: Oswald is obviously guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but he too was a communist and a midwit with a shallow understanding of Marxism. Thus he must be defended at all costs.

The truth is, JFK was murdered by what Jackie Kennedy called “a silly little communist.”

If Jack Rubenstein hadn’t offed him, Oswald himself might also be up for parole and supported by Soros’s demons now.

BTW, Steve, thank you for promoting Occam’s Razor in your blog. It is one of the best tools for cutting through crap like this.

A good starting place is The Second Gun on YouTube. And the labor leader just didn’t change his mind. He changed it years and years ago. And the famous coroner Thomas Nghochi didn’t go along with the official story and suffered reprisals. If you don’t accept that a Manchurian Candidate is possible, you haven’t read about the research they were doing on the subject. The major 60’s assassinations eliminated MLK, Malcolm, JFK, and RFK and changed the direction of American politics and a movement for peace.

Steve,

Tex Watson (age 75) comes up for parole (again) in October this year. Watson was Manson’s main killer in the Tate-Labianca murders. I’ve thought Gascon will make a big show of opposing Watson’s release.

Determination and imposition of sentence is the exclusive power of the judiciary.

I am so sick and tired of:

• judges who act like lawmakers.
• lawmakers who act like judges.
• judges/lawmakers who disavow their own, proper roles.
• i’net commenters who cheer them on.

As I told Ron Unz in another thread, if some Deep State types wanted to get rid of JFK, they would have done it with a sex scandal. It would have made Kennedy a world laughing stock rather than a martyr by assassination.

OT: Steve, have you listened to the Nipsy Hustle 30 for 30 podcast yet? It’s only four parts and 155 minutes, so obviously barely scratches the surface of the life of this cultural colossus.

“This series examines how that overlap of Black male creativity, talent and ambition will forever live on in Nipsey’s responsibility to his neighborhood and how NBA players are vowing to continue his marathon moving forward.”

Forever!

So Biden (and Harris) are French’s examples of “character and competence.”

The existence of the death penalty or the promise of life in prison does little to encourage potential murderers to stop and think. If it did the United States would have one of the lowest murder rates in the world.

The death penalty and the life in prison are more likely to encourage people to kill the witnesses who might testify against them.

By the standards of almost all jurisdictions, Sirhan has served a life sentence and the question now is not so much one of punishment as whether he still represents a danger.

In any case he can be paroled out of prison and then recalled if he does not behave himself.

But I guess the Kennedy family ought to be allowed to offer their opinion.

Long story short, Robert Kennedy was killed by a bullet to the brain– never identified as having come from Sirhan’s gun– that wounded the senator from virtually point-blank range– one to three inches, according to Dr. Thomas Naguchi, who did the autopsy– from behind his right ear, and which entered at a markedly upward trajectory. Sirhan was never standing closer to Kennedy than about five feet, and even with his gun arm outstretched, could not have shot Kennedy at such close range, nor from his right rear, nor at the requisite angle. There was a gunman in that required location– in fact, he had hold of Kennedy’s right arm with his own left hand, and the two fell to the floor of the kitchen pantry together– but that gunman’s name was not Sirhan Sirhan. Sirhan had been tackled back onto a pantry tabletop, by Kennedy’s celebrity bodyguards, after only his second shot, and his other six shots went off wildly into the room– including into the ceiling and the doorframe, at the back of the room (from Sirhan’s perspective).

For Steve, it is imperative that Sirhan Sirhan, acting alone, assassinated Senator Robert Kennedy, thus becoming, in Steve’s eyes, the first Palestinian terrorist on American soil– just as it is imperative for Steve that Lee Oswald, an avowed Communist, was the “lone nut” who had assassinated President John Kennedy, with a fatal bullet to the brain, after wounding both Kennedy and Governor Connally with a “magic bullet” that was (allegedly) found on the floor of Parkland Hospital, after falling off of a hallway stretcher that was bumped into by another stretcher that was being parked there, despite that bullet’s being barely deformed and having lost less mass than the fragments recovered from Connally’s multiple wounds. As my own congressman, Earl Landgrebe, famously said, in the summer of 1974: “Don’t confuse me with the facts. I’ve got a closed mind.”

As for the enduring myth that Senator Robert Kennedy, due to his win in the California Democratic Presidential Primary, was then a virtual shoo-in for the Democratic nomination, and would have been favored to become the next President of the United States, with a win over Richard Nixon, Kennedy’s own campaign manager publicly admitted that Kennedy’s only hope for winning the nomination, at that summer’s convention, was to get many of Hubert Humphrey’s pledged delegates to betray him and vote for Kennedy, instead.

Alice B. Popinjay?

David French’s deep thoughts a like the deep grooves of my bike tires: they collect random stuff that’s not easy to look at.

That being said. does anyone think that these twitter back-and-forths are hard to understand? The basic configuration of “Who says what to whom apropos what and why” is sometimes entirely unscrutable. It’s like an existentialist theatre piece written by Sartre in not his best moments.

But didn’t the “sex scandal” plot emerge later when media became so pliant that they started to take up the salacious idiocies w/o questioning or analysis?

“RAPE IN SWEDEN”

Ok, so Assange had a Smörebröt with some gal who regretted her itch a day later…

When the shooting started RFK was spun around and came close to Sirhan’s gun…hence the shot to the back of the head. No second shooter.

Ausfailia and New Madland are two particularly egregious examples. Who would have though that “ZERO COVID” is actually a hare-brained scheme that is a bad fit to anything this universe tells yout? Certainly not the “managerial elites”. Fantasy is their domain.

Fury over Covid rules is FINALLY helping Aussies lose their long-held, unhealthy respect for authority

Then there are the stern warnings from state leaders that would be hilarious if they weren’t so serious – about enjoying sunset on the beach, removing a mask to drink beer, dodging errant footballs while watching a game, and most recently, a local council deciding to shoot 15 rescue dogs rather than allow volunteers from an animal shelter to travel for their collection in case they spread the virus.

That’s the level of insanity we’re looking at.

As soon as Emily Harris got out of prison her defense attorney hired her to work as a paralegal. Her fellow murderer and terrorist husband / boyfriend too.

Relying on the Taliban for protection is like relying on Steve for comment moderation.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1430974351747190789
semi-related: anti-Trump moron McMasters openly saying he hopes that the alCIAda bombings mean we never leave. Saying the quiet part out loud, McMasters. 13 Marines are dead after a 100% preventable total failure of security. Who’s resigning? Oh, right, nobody.

At least an order of magnitude more loathsome is Cuomo’s pardon of David Gilbert–the minoritarian terrorist murderer.

Democrats often reveal their loathsome character by the folks they pardon on the way out.

One of the sex scandals involved a 15 year old baby sitter who got pregnant and had an illegal abortion. Of course most of the MEN OF UNZ believe it’s perfectly acceptable and should be legal for a grown man to get a 15 year old pregnant

The real scandal was his Addison’s brain disease dangerously advanced osteoporosis and prescription drug regime.

Kennedy’ death was a disaster for Whites. Johnson and Humphrey rammed through civil rights for all but Whites, unlimited non White immigration and worst of all the No Whites Need Apply affirmative action act in just 4 years.

If anyone other than Oswald did it; it was probably the civil rights for all but Whites Ellis Island descendants. If you know what I mean.

Kennedy worship is a sign of old age. More so than white hair and wrinkles

Come on, man.
https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/status/1430920972178178062

The autopsy found powder burns around the wound in RFK’s head which supposedly means the shot was fired from close range and behind him while Sirhan Sirhan was in front and farther away. The defense didn’t bring this up during the trial. Did they have a reason for disbelieving it or what? I’ve never seen a good explanation for the powder burns.

Sirhan’s brother is apparently planning to take him in. Maybe they are planning to do jihad together, maybe not.

Sirhan Sirhan is a Christian Palestinian.

But I always found RFK conspiracy theorizing boring compared to JFK, the gold standard of conspiracy theories.

JFK got an airport that had destroyed a major urban wetland. RFK got a stadium that hosted the “Redskins” for half a century. It’s time to cancel both of them!

(Fun fact: Canada named a mountain in the Yukon after JFK, and RFK was on the team that first scaled it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kennedy )

For example, George Soros actually is pretty smart… even though he’s managing to ruin his reputation in his old age.

György Schwartz has 12 years on Uncle Joe. How sharp is his mind today?

(Fun bet: where will Joe celebrate his 80th birthday?)

The existence of the death penalty or the promise of life in prison does little to encourage potential murderers to stop and think. If it did the United States would have one of the lowest murder rates in the world.

Actually the United States averaged less than 30 executions per year from 1975-2002. That was during a period when murder rates were sky high. We were executing perhaps only 1 in 500 murderers.

Last year, in 2020, only 17 people were executed in the US – or about 0.1% of all the murders committed annually.

We had 780 executions total from 175-2002, and only 916 from 1950-1974. The latter was a 75% drop from the previous quarter-century (1925-1949), when 3,644 were executed, and an even larger drop relative to the number of murders being committed. So over the laqst 70 or so years we’ve gone from executing maybe one murderer in 50 to only one murderer in 1,000 – and our murder rates have gone up, unsurprisingly.

It’s hard to make the death penalty a deterrent when so few murderers are ever actually executed, and even then after only decades of appeals.

And of course the other reason the US has such a high murder rate relative to First World countries is that reason which must not be named. Parts of the country with large numbers of blacks have murder rates similar to black countries. But many mostly white jurrisdictions have murder rates lower than European countries.

Deterrence is only part of the reason for executing killers. Vengeance is another perfectly valid reason. Not incacrerating aged inmates, as you’ve pointed out, is another. Another, as we’re seeing now, is is that leftists can’t be trusted for shit. They promise to replace the death penalty with “life without parole” and then once the death penalty is gone they abolish life without parole.

And finally another is that once you lower the ultimate penalty for the worst crimes, it only follows that the penalty for lesser crimes will have to be reduced, as well.

If their only target had been JFK that’s a telling point. But if their purpose had been to scare every leading American politician wouldn’t assassination be best?

(in the Grapes of Wrath the Joads drive an automobile, albeit a broken down jalopy. The average British or German working man of that time (even men with regular factory jobs let alone the homeless) had a bicycle and couldn’t dream of owing an automobile

Stalin showed this film in the USSR to remind comrades that there were many poor in America. He had to pull it from the theaters rather quickly, as they had noticed this very phenomenon.

The Sacramento DA’s Office screwed up the Myrna Opsahl murder from the start. Despite Patty Hearst telling them Steven Soliah wasn’t in the bank when the murder took place, they insisted on trying him for shooting Opsahl. Of course Soliah was acquitted. They were afraid of trying the Opsahl murder for the next quarter century.

When Kathy Solian AKA Sara Jane Olson was caught, the LA County DA’s office indicted her for setting bombs on police cars. During the investigation, they found more than enough evidence to try Olson, Emily Harris, etc for the Myrna Opsahl murder.

The two LA prosecutors on the case went to the Sacramento DA and made a power point presentation on how to prove the Opsahl murder. The Sacramento prosecutors still wouldn’t go for it.

In 2001, Olson pleaded guilty to the LA bombings for 5-6 years. Only then would Sacramento indict the SLA bunch for the Myrna Opsahl murder. A few months later they pleaded guilty to a few years in prison.

One of the LA prosecutors, Michael Latin, said of the plead deal on an ID Channel show on the case, “It was absurd, about what you would get for having a rock of cocaine.”

If they aren’t in prison the bills will just be paid for by Medicare or Medicaid

Couldn’t they build a Medicaid funded, minimum security prison hospice out in the middle of nowhere?

Sirhan Sirhan is a Christian Palestinian.

How “Christian” is murdering a father of eleven?

Steve’s being nicer to Soros than he deserves.

Good point – a sex scandal would have worked back then. One did even up through the time of Gary Hart 25 years later. However, David, that could have kept him from a 2nd term, but would it have gotten him impeached and out of office? That’s not a sure thing.

I have not read the number of books about it that Mr. Unz has, or lots of others. I’ll just say that John Kennedy’s ideas about getting the country back on sound money could have been what got the Deep State’s panties in a big wad.

The cylinder.

So … I guess you aren’t rich?

Sirhan is a Christian baptized and raised in the Greek Orthodox version of Christianity It was the Greek Orthodox Church that brought the Sirhan family to America as religious prosecution refugees and gave the mother a job working for a Greek Orthodox Church and found a house for them in Pasadena. Ca

George Soros actually is pretty smart, judging by his net worth, but even he feels compelled to stick with the catastrophic course he got himself on, even though he’s managing to ruin his reputation in his old age.

There’s nothing more dangerous than a rich, smart man “giving back.”

Steve is unable to contemplate that some people are plain evil. And that our elite is truly evil and has always been so. Some prefer the term “predator class” to elite.

Oops! Auto-correct on overdrive! Make it “Sirham Sirham”.

Jonathan, I was surprised to learn that a sentence of ‘Life in Prison without the Possibility of Parole’ does not mean you are never going to be free. You just can’t be paroled out. However, these sentences can be commuted to time served. California governor Jerry Brown commuted the sentences of at least 6 murderers before he left office.

You make an excellent point.

People often believe what they want to believe.

Here is an alternate explanation:

J. Edgar Hoover was not a fan of MLK, and kept him under constant surveillance. By coincidence, some agents sent to watch after MLK on that particular event had previously been assigned to Dallas for JFK’s visit.

Coincidence sometimes happens. Sometimes news reports surface of people who, Forest Gump style, somehow wind up at infamous events more than once.

Another unserious reply.

One of the sex scandals involved a 15 year old baby sitter who got pregnant and had an illegal abortion. Of course most of the MEN OF UNZ believe it’s perfectly acceptable and should be legal for a grown man to get a 15 year old pregnant.

I recently had a conversation with a 39-year-old woman who told me that she was maybe thinking about maybe having children. But it would probably mean she’d have to change careers.

As a general rule I don’t think 15 y.o. girls getting pregnant is a great idea. When I consider how far towards crazy we’ve gone in the opposite direction, however, I don’t think it’s the worst thing that can happen, by any means. I’ve had several friends who were either born to ~16 y.o. mothers or had children of their own at roughly that age. They and their children are all doing well.

I know for a fact I would rather have my own daughters become teenage mothers than hit 40 childless, talking as if their dogs are their children, and still pretending like it might happen for them.

You need to watch this documentary. Lots of scientists and engineers do not believe two planes could do what you believe they did.

Wait, are we totally sure about that? Isn’t more investigation still required?

Oh, wait, silly me. Sirhan^2 is a Person of Color! Of course he wasn’t involved!

Abolish the drug war and eliminate the profit element. Then the drug gangs (not Big Pharma) will move on to other pursuits.

Legalizing pot in California does not appear to have affected those cartels that grow illegal weed in the National Forests. They are still doing it, and polluting watercourses in the process. Why do you suppose that is?

Best place to get drunk or do drugs is at home bear a couch or bed.

We all acknowledge your deep knowledge base on this topic.

That reminds me of the death of Sam Cooke, who was shot in self defense by a woman he assaulted while drunk/high. However his friends/relatives claim he was killed as part of a conspiracy by unknown parties, probably at the instigation of his manager (who after Cooke’s death acquired the rights to all of his songs.)

Murderers find it easy to lie.

That being said. does anyone think that these twitter back-and-forths are hard to understand?

Is it hard to understand what is shouted back and forth across the high school lunchroom table?

Same idea.

These Twatter samples are usually boring.

We’re all stupid for forgetting the Bible. The standard shouldn’t be one solar cycle in one state and another in another. It should be, once you have her, will you hold the vomit bowl when she’s sick? You can have any chick you want, but you’re stuck with her, for life. We are currently unworthy of this superior policy.

Come in from the sun.

He shot Kennedy.

Doesn’t this dead Kennedy’s son reject the idea that Sirhan killed his dad?

But he thinks Anthony Fauci killed your dad.

The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health

“Democrats often reveal their loathsome character by the folks they pardon on the way out.”

You mean unscrupulous politicians regardless of party.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/who-did-trump-pardon.html

There are a million old Jews who think Sirhan did it because he is anti semitic.

This is anti-Semitism:

In 1989, he told David Frost: “My only connection with Robert Kennedy was his sole support of Israel and his deliberate attempt to send those 50 bombers to Israel to obviously do harm to the Palestinians.”

The poor in the US should be judged by the standards of the US, not international standards. We are Americans, we are better than the rest of the world.

Whatever standard you use, obesity is inversely correlated with income in this country, no more than 10% live in crime-ridden slums, 90% have medical insurance, and all but an odd minority live in households where you’ll find an automobile and scads of consumer electronics.

Determination and imposition of sentence is the exclusive power of the judiciary.

It isn’t. Nor should it be.

Yes, RFK jr., in very carefully worded language, clearly does not accept the mainstream narrative of his father’s murder.

Nor do I.

Actually, nor does the coroner Thomas Noguchi, who performed the autopsy.

The bullets which struck RFK were not from Sirhan’s gun: a second gunman, firing from behind at point blank range.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/05/26/who-killed-bobby-kennedy-his-son-rfk-jr-doesnt-believe-it-was-sirhan-sirhan/%3foutputType=amp

“ His support for Israel in their lebensraum project was pretty shocking in 1968 given that the entire U.S. State Dept. (and official U.S. policy) was opposed to that land grab”

He knew who whacked his brother.

I recall the a news radio report at the time it happened. I was ten years old, and the news guy referred to the shooter as “Sir Ham.”

Long as we’re on the topic of tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories, let me toss in my own pet one: the murder of Sen Joseph McCarthy who, towards the end of his run, was as beloved by the Deep State as Mr Trump was/is from Day One of his tenure. Only the Tailgunner’s time was one when, at least compared to ours, terminating troublesome characters without having to worry about high-tech surveillance or cell-phone cameras or any of the seemingly-endless methods our gendarmes have of sniffing out foul play, was one of the perks of political assassination back then.

I won’t go into the particulars of why I find this notion plausible, but I’d be grateful to be pointed toward anyone, journalist or not, who’s bothered to look into the possibility.

The point is that Sirhan Sirhan was not a “jihadist”, but likely a Palestinian patsy set up by the same people that killed JFK.

‘…Maybe not in the metaphorical sense that he’s less likely than in 1968 to assassinate a major political leader…’

Moreover, if he did it now, odds are it’d be less distressing.

…just keep him away from Tulsi Gabbard and Tucker Carlson.

For once, Mason is right. It’s far more expensive to keep the very sick or old in prison. But right now that’s a smoke screen.

We don’t know if he’s needing specialized care or not. And probation is a joke. They are not capable of preventing crime except by locking a guy up.

The other point is that we don’t release political assassins or we shouldn’t. I don’t mind keeping him in for another fifty years.

‘…But aren’t the cohorts of people most likely to be angry at somebody who shot RFK also the ones most likely to have sympathy for Sirhan Sirhan or to be less punitive in general? He is also odd in continuing to plead his innocence to this day…’

I can believe Sirhan blanked out. He seems sincere about that.

Whether that means he was somehow primed to commit the murder or didn’t commit it at all is another matter. One aspect of it all I’ve never heard discussed is whether Sirhan had a history of other such episodes of lost memory before or after the killing. After all, he’s presumably been observed over the fifty years since the killing. Has he spaced out again?

Hey iSteve, you’ve gone soft old man, shouldn’t he be deported to the West Bank or Gaza?

‘One of the sex scandals involved a 15 year old baby sitter who got pregnant and had an illegal abortion. Of course most of the MEN OF UNZ believe it’s perfectly acceptable and should be legal for a grown man to get a 15 year old pregnant…’

I wouldn’t call it perfectly acceptable. How heinous a crime it is has a lot to do with how it happened and what happens afterwards. Jerry Lee Lewis and Jeffrey Epstein at least belong in different circles of hell.

I’ve run out of patience for those who peddle the stupid “conspiracy theories” about the JFK and RFK assassinations.

assassination conspiracy theorizing was a leftwing phenomenon a half century ago…

Ya gotta admit, though, some great music came out of it.

What kind of name is “Sirhan Sirhan” anyway? Were the Palestinians to poor at the time of his birth to be able to afford two different names? Were they too blockheaded to remember two, and so repeated one? Is it code for “I’m going to assassinate a kafir”? What’s behind this bizarrerie?

…but likely a Palestinian patsy set up by the same people that killed JFK.

In other words, Arabs lack agency. Evidence (along with Somalia’s membership in the Arab League) that they’re really black.

MENA = Melanin-Effete Near-Africqn.

A Secretary and an Oldsmobile?

It’s a thing in that part of the world, at least among Christians. I once knew an Egyptian Christian called Alexander Alexander. (I guess his family wanted to make sure everyone knew he was of Greek ancestry.)

Works better as a jury function.

While I agree that degree of cuteness should be considered by parole boards past cuteness is irrelevant .

Christianity is not an ethnicity, Steve. Didn’t the clerics get that point across to you, back when you were in high school? What ethnicity were the freedom fighters who blew up the King David Hotel?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

The man who shot at FDR early in ’33…

For which read the Mob hitman who successfully whacked Mayor Anton Cermak of Chicago with Roosevelt as a cover story.

His fingerprints are all over the election of this type of DA in Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, and st. Louis as well as in California. By which I mean he financed the campaigns.

I read the book because the Forward was written by Jesse Jackson, who reported the King family favored a retrial and investigation. Recall Jackson next to King during the assassination.

As a Native American you should have known ” Black man speak with forked tongue”.

Giuseppe Zangara missed Roosevelt and hit Cermak because he was very short, just five feet even according to some reports, and had to stand on a wobbly wooden folding chair to fire over the crowd.

“..and guilty of political assassination.”

For which he should have gotten death and should now serve for life.

“For example, George Soros actually is pretty smart, judging by his net worth, but even he feels compelled to stick with the catastrophic course he got himself on, even though he’s managing to ruin his reputation in his old age.”

I thought Soros ruined his reputation 80 years ago in Hungary.

The fact that the communist White hating DA Gascón won’t oppose the parole doesn’t mean Sirhan will be paroled. It just means the hard left White hating DA announced the won’t oppose the parole. To get more Soros democrat BLM antifa donations and votes for his next election and next elected office. Maybe state attorney general . Parole decisions are made by the parole board.

Public school bureaucrats (executive) act like judge and jury, e.g. they punish kids, with penalties ranging from detention to expulsion, without fair trial, much less conviction there.

You really stay on message. Perhaps you could give TED talks or the like to GOP pols and teach them how it’s done?

Lots of scientists and engineers do not believe two planes could do what you believe they did.

The list of the ‘lots’ begin and end with a professor in Fairbanks, Alaska who designs bridges, a retired professor from Clemson who designs dentures, and an electrochemist formerly at Brigham Young who was mixed up in the cold fusion circle.

Actually, a number of witnesses did see a second gun in the hand of the guard immediately behind RFK, pointed up and adjacent to Kennedy’s right shoulder.
Did he fire?
We don’t know- the LAPD never tested his gun.
Some investigation . . .

What would you have been doing if you were a neophyte security guard, on his first assignment, and were walking the candidate through the crowded kitchen pantry, unexpectedly, while holding his right arm with your left hand, when someone in front of you both suddenly opened fire with a small-caliber handgun, unexpectedly?

His father was prior to 1948 a technician employed at the water works in Jerusalem. The family was well above the median at the time.

Alternative hypothesis: it’s an urban legend. Who would be storing 30 year old hotel registers and why?

I recall an episode of Car Talk where someone was presenting an argument made by someone else and the host said something along the line: ‘He’s an engineer, isn’t he.’

There’s always Another Gunman somewhere.

The grassy knoll, window of the State Office Building down the street, the sewer drains in the curbs, the railroad bridge, behind the stalled city bus , the strange man pretending to be a worker running around the building . The man in the gray suit standing in the street ( George Bush sr ) the policeman Thibideaux whose job it was to drive Oswald to safety but was shot by one of the many Oswald imposters running about that day. Latest is the secret service man driver shot and killed Kennedy. Enjoyable historical fiction book Nemesis claims Mrs Kennedy’s second husband Onassis had Kennedy killed to avoid the trouble of a divorce.

2,000 books 2,000 Other Gunmen.

I once knew an Egyptian Christian called Alexander Alexander. (I guess his family wanted to make sure everyone knew he was of Greek ancestry.)

They really copted out on originality.

I’ve run out of patience for those who peddle the stupid “conspiracy theories” about the JFK and RFK assassinations.

I’ve run out of patience for those who unquestioningly believe the pronouncements of government of government-sanctioned white-wash panels and government officials who routinely lie to us.

And you know this…………how?

Oh – that’s right – you looked it up on Wikipedia.

RFK Jr., upon the death of the security guard:

***

Thane Eugene Cesar died today in the Philippines. Compelling evidence suggests that Cesar murdered my father. On June 5, 1968, Cesar, an employee in a classified section of Lockheed’s Burbank facility, was moonlighting as a security guard at the Ambassador Hotel. He had landed the job about one week earlier. Cesar waited in the pantry as my father spoke in the ballroom, then grabbed my father by the elbow and guided him toward Sirhan. With 77 people in the pantry, every eyewitness said Sirhan was always in front on my father at a 3-6 feet distance. Sirhan fired two shots toward my father before he was tackled. From under the dog pile, Sirhan emptied his 8 chamber revolver firing 6 more shots in the opposite direction 5 of them striking bystander and one going wild . By his own account, Cesar was directly behind my dad holding his right elbow with his own gun drawn when my dad fell backwards on top of him. Cesar repeatedly changed his story about exactly when he drew his weapon. According to the Coroner, Dr. Thomas Noguchi, all 4 shots that struck my father were ‘contact’ shots fired from behind my dad with the barrel touching or nearly touching his body. Cesar sold his .22 to a co-worker weeks after the assassination warning him that it had been used in a crime. Cesar lied to police claiming that he’d disposed of the gun months before the assassination. Cesar was a bigot who hated the Kennedys for their advocacy of Civil Rights for blacks. I had plans to meet Thane Eugene Cesar in the Philippines last June until he demanded a payment of $25,000 through his agent Dan Moldea. Ironically, Moldea penned a meticulous and compelling indictment of Cesar in a 1995 book and then suddenly exculpated him by fiat in a bizarre and nonsensical final chapter. Police have never seriously investigated Cesar’s role in my father’s killing.

***

The list of the ‘lots’ begin and end with a professor in Fairbanks, Alaska who designs bridges, a retired professor from Clemson who designs dentures, and an electrochemist formerly at Brigham Young who was mixed up in the cold fusion circle.

Steven Jones is a physicist, not an electrochemist. What gives, Art? I thought you were infallible?

But according to the Sirhan Didn’t Do It theory the security guard wasn’t a neophyte on his first assignment but a well trained and experienced Illuminati Zionist CIA assassin.

“After all, 700 pounds of famous athletes immediately jumped on Sirhan, but nobody at the time noticed the Other Gunman who was only inches away from RFK?”

***

What do eyewitnesses say? Kennedy was killed in a crowded room. Thus, there were many people in a position to explain what they saw, and, so they did, but as is often true in the case of eyewitnesses, they diverge.

Multiple witnesses saw Thane Cesar pull out his gun, but only one accused him of firing it, which Cesar has denied over the years. The key witness cited by many believers of the second gunman theory is a man named Don Schulman, who was then a runner for KNXT-TV.

He gave an interview at the scene to a local television reporter. “Well, I was standing directly behind him. I saw a man pull out a gun. It looked like he pulled it out of his pocket. He shot three times. I saw all three shots hit the senator. Then, I saw the senator fall and was picked up and carried away. I also saw the security men pull out their weapons. After that, it was very fuzzy. The next thing I knew, there were several shots fired. I saw a woman with blood come out of her temple… I saw the security police grab someone… the crowd was very panicky.”

The site RFKProject says Schuman appears in this video at 2:42, confirming he was there that day. The police report on Schulman’s statement doesn’t mention the security guard angle.

Schulman later grew more confident about what he says he saw when speaking to Ted Charach for a controversial documentary Charach made putting forth the second gunman theory. He said he was “following the senator….we were packed in there like sardines….another man stepped out and he shot. Just then the guard who was standing behind Kennedy, he took out his gun, and he fired also.” He said that Sirhan Sirhan was about 3 to 6 feet behind Kennedy, but that the guard was standing on the right hand side, directly and behind Kennedy. He said he told the story to several police authorities. He added, “The guard definitely pulled out his gun and fired.”

Schulman also said, “A Caucasian gentleman stepped out and fired. The security guard hit Kennedy all three times. Kennedy slumped to the floor. The security guard fired back…” One Schulman statement was taken by a reporter named Jeff Brent. He later alleged to Charach, a researcher, “… a guard definitely pulled out his gun and fired… He wasn’t very far from Kennedy.” Again, Schulman’s account is unproven, other witnesses did not allege the same, and Cesar denies firing his gun, which he says was a different caliber from the .22 that took Kennedy’s life.

***

https://heavy.com/news/2019/09/thane-eugene-cesar-rfk/

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say about CA pot.

Dispensaries sell it (with a Rx?). Heads are permitted to grow a few plants
for themselves. Many grow it for a living. I don’t think they prosecute users caught with small amounts.

I remember reading recently about a pot farmer who shot trespassers. As pot is still a big, cash crop indicates that it hasn’t been truly legalized, e.g. sold at the grocery store checkout line.

Nobody ever holds up Safeway and demands smokes.

Oh, and abolish sin taxes.

We’re all stupid for forgetting the Bible. The standard shouldn’t be one solar cycle in one state and another in another.

What did the Bible say about age of consent?

His fingerprints are all over the election of this type of DA in Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, and st. Louis as well as in California. By which I mean he financed the campaigns.

Seems rather vague. How do we know this?

So Sirhan, the murderer of a senator, sentenced originally to death, then life imprisonment, can get paroled now for being, I guess, elderly???

Mark David Chapman was sentenced to “20 to life” in 1981. He is 66. Since 2002, he gets a parole hearing every other year. Any chance a woke Manhattan DA will be neutral on a future hearing?

Probably not – but, if Chapman had murdered a nobody New Yorker, he’d be out. So, will some SJW prosecutor play that angle to annoy boomer moderates? Is THAT any more nuts that the Sirhan parole logic?

Disturbing fact: Kirk LeMoyne Billings was a longtime family friend who had a crush on Jack. Bobby’s granddaughter is named Kyra LeMoyne Kennedy.

Sirhan Sirhan? You’ve got to be joking.

We are free to believe the official version, and we are free to believe the conspiracy versions, but seldom do we consider, or are presented with, the third, often most basic and obvious option.

Kennedy didn’t die. http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf
Neither did Bobby.

It’s sort of like all the people who say “Epstein didn’t kill himself.” Rarely, if ever, do you hear “Epstein didn’t die.” This, despite the drone footage spotting him safely back on his island after his “death.”

Kennedy was also in all likelihood gay. http://mileswmathis.com/jfkgay.pdf

What kind of name is “Sirhan Sirhan” anyway?

Patronymic. Sirhan Bishara Sirhan is the son of Bishara Sirhan [Whatever] and the grandson of Sirhan [Whatever Whatever].

His brother was, similarly, Adel Bishara Sirhan:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/37324068/adel-bishara-sirhan

Feel free to list by name all of the proponents of that particular theory– which you (unimaginatively) would seem to believe is the only alternative theory of the assassination of Senator Robert Kennedy– along with links (if available) to their saying precisely that.

As you (would have) learned in law school, the prosecution’s (or defense’s) theory of a crime is not evidence, admissible or otherwise. Autopsy findings are evidence. Crime-scene forensic findings are evidence. Eyewitness testimony is evidence.

As stated above, the finding of coroner Thomas Naguchi that Senator Kennedy died from a gun shot to his brain that was fired at virtually point-blank range, from just behind his right ear, entering at an upward trajectory, is simply inconsistent with the overwhelming eyewitness testimony as to Sirhan Sirhan’s position, vis-a-vis Senator Kennedy, during the entirety of the shooting. Any credible theory of the crime has to be consistent with that evidence. The prosecution’s theory was not and is not consistent with that evidence, and never will be.

Thank you.
This post by Mr. Sailer was utterly disappointing.
The victim’s family has long asked for a pardon.
They have made very clear that they do not believe the man convicted for the murder was the actual murderer.
Strange that Mr. Sailer should not expound on this unusual fact.

Similar to William Williams, Richard Richards Michael Michaels Barry Barry Bailey Bailey Tiffany Tiffany Ryan Ryan Kelly Kelly Kerry Kerry . Sirhan is both a surname and first name

There are two exclusive possibilities about the unending exposition of conspiracy theories of the JFK assassination: to the extent that those theories can reasonably be said to be distinct from one another, either one of those conspiracy theories is essentially correct, while all of the other conspiracy theories are essentially incorrect, or else all of the conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination, to date, are essentially incorrect. Even if all of the conspiracy theories ever posited for the JFK assassination, to date, are essentially incorrect, however, that does not mean that the Warren Commission’s official conclusion that Lee Oswald was essentially the proverbial “lone nut” assassin is correct. There are two other logical, if unlikely, possibilities: either another distinct conspiracy scenario, not yet hypothesized, was responsible for JFK’s death, or else an additional assassin, independent and unaware of Lee Oswald’s presence and intentions, fired the fatal head shot that killed President Kennedy.

You should write for Saturday Night Live. In fact this thread is turning into the very funny early SNL and Monty Python skits. As usual.

Neither prosecutor nor defense wastes time on theories. All they are interested in is viable prove able hopefully irrefutable evidence. First week of criminal law.

“Neither prosecutor nor defense wastes time on theories. All they are interested in is viable prove able hopefully irrefutable evidence. First week of criminal law.”

Did you make it through your first week of Criminal Law, Alden, let alone through Trial Advocacy? The prosecution bases its entire presentation at trial on fitting its evidence into its theory of the crime; it makes its opening and closing arguments– which likewise are not evidence– by fitting the evidence to match its theory of the crime. Motive is not an element of the crime– except for “hate crimes”– but the prosecution is relentless in trying to convince the trier of fact, whether jury or judge, that the accused had the motive to do what it charges was done.

“All they are interested in is viable prove able hopefully irrefutable evidence.”

Did a Basic Legal Skills instructor actually pass a law student who ever wrote such a sentence?!? Mine promised to flunk any of us who wrote “judgement” rather than “judgment”– the dictionary notwithstanding!

Kennedy made a lot of enemies. This is why the conspiracy-theorizing is so fruitful. So many people had motive to whack him.

Personally I think Oswald did it, but since nobody actually saw him pull the trigger, there will always be an element of doubt.

“You should write for Saturday Night Live. In fact this thread is turning into the very funny early SNL and Monty Python skits. As usual.”

You should have addressed the evidence of the case that I laid out in the comment to which you were responding. You failed to do so. “As usual.”

Feel welcome to try this again, Alden:

“As you (would have) learned in law school, the prosecution’s (or defense’s) theory of a crime is not evidence, admissible or otherwise. Autopsy findings are evidence. Crime-scene forensic findings are evidence. Eyewitness testimony is evidence.

“As stated above, the finding of coroner Thomas Naguchi that Senator Kennedy died from a gun shot to his brain that was fired at virtually point-blank range, from just behind his right ear, entering at an upward trajectory, is simply inconsistent with the overwhelming eyewitness testimony as to Sirhan Sirhan’s position, vis-a-vis Senator Kennedy, during the entirety of the shooting. Any credible theory of the crime has to be consistent with that evidence. The prosecution’s theory was not and is not consistent with that evidence, and never will be.”

Now, pray tell, what was so comically mistaken about anything that I wrote in those two paragraphs?

Article about Gascón. Not much explicit evidence given, but if you care so much how about you dig into it?
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/report/george-gascon-rogue-prosecutor-whose-extreme-policies-undermine-the-rule

Here’s some better evidence.
https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/soros-dumps-another-2-5-million-into-gascons-race-for-los-angeles-da/

Flash forward to 2020: Soros has already funded more than $2.5 million of George Gascón’s race for Los Angeles District Attorney.

There are a few people around who think Trump literally dodged a bullet getting jobbed last November – that, Kushner or no Kushner, he would not have survived a second term.

“I sincerely regret my actions,” Sirhan told Frost. “I was young, I was immature, I was wild … I wish that I could reverse all my actions concerning Robert Kennedy.”

‘Caucasian’ dates from the time when the Europeans were thought to have appeared in the Caucasus mountains, and spread west to Europe and east to Persia and India. But as our recent studies show, White people appeared in Europe first and then spread to the east to Caucasus, and then again one migration came back into Europe. So, time to discard the term ‘Caucasian’. Replacing it with Europeans will be more P.C, but soon it will be even more P.C. to term them as “Old Europeans”, as against the New “Europeans” being imported now.

When Kennedy was shot I had the feeling that what provoked Sirhan had been the then-new system of projecting the winners and “calling” the election on tv even before the polls close. The debate between Kennedy and McCarthy in the California primary was sensationally presented, the cool underdog McCarthy driving the Kennedy boosters nuts and Kennedy fighting back with the promise to send Israel 50 Phantom Jets right away. Israel had just smashed the Arabs in the 1967 war using French jets, and now France was embargoing Israel armaments. So, comes election night, and throughout the evening Walter Cronkite is screaming about a Kennedy landslide, over and over showing fabricated headlines like KENNEDY TRIUMPHS and CRUSHING KENNEDY VICTORY, and “projecting” with graphics like KENNEDY WINS 58 TO 36 PERCENT. Way off in fact, Kennedy just squeaking out a 46 to 42 win in California. They say Sirhan was stewing all evening in his room, watching the gloating CBS Kennedy bandwagaon on tv before heading off to the Ambassador hotel.

You weren’t born together but you’ll die together. Oh, wait, that was the Three Kingdoms.

D.K., as undoubtedly know, Cesar did indeed own a . 22 on June 4, 1968. Further he later lied when he alleged that he had previously sold that .22.
Proof came in the form of a receipt from a cash sale of that gun, a receipt in Cesar’s own handwriting.
Finally, that gun was (remarkably) recovered from a lake in Arkansas in 2006, apparently too degraded to determine a ballistic match.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7456521/amp/Robert-F-Kennedy-assassinated-Thane-Eugene-Cesar-Sirhan-Sirhan-says-RFK-Jr.html

Oh, under the letter of the law, whether Sirhan was a witting part of the conspiracy or not, because he participated in (whatever he thought he was a part of, even if he was hypnotized) he was guilty.

On that Steve, we agree.

However, there is no ballistic or forensic evidence that Sirhan fired the fatal shots and therefore either the official LAPD investigation was incredibly incompetent (impossible), or it was corrupted from the start, undoubtedly under the control of the CIA operatives in the SUS unit of the LAPD, just as RFK’s kids have asserted:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7456521/amp/Robert-F-Kennedy-assassinated-Thane-Eugene-Cesar-Sirhan-Sirhan-says-RFK-Jr.html