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From City Journal:

Ilhan Omar’s Many Firsts

Did a celebrated Somali-American legislator marry her brother?
Scott W. Johnson
September 15, 2017

Omar had just won a primary victory over 22-term incumbent Phyllis Kahn to secure the Minnesota Democratic Farmer Labor Party (DFL) endorsement to represent House District 60B in the state legislature. Minneapolis’s Star Tribune trumpeted Omar’s victory in a huge headline on its front page, proclaiming that the Somali immigrant’s victory had “made history.” The paper followed up with two more stories admiring Omar’s triumph. …

As I noted last year, Omar is also probably the first state legislator to have taken out a marriage certificate naming her brother as her husband. If so, she is certainly also the first state legislator—Muslim or not—to be married to her brother (the marriage would be illegal and void ab initio under Minnesota law), while also having a “cultural” husband, who happens to be the father of her children.

Okay, but the courthouse back in Somalia burned down during the Era of Anarchy and a goat ate the paperwork and the imam’s clerk was too buzzed on khat to spell anybody’s names right, so whaddaya gonna do?

Send the legislator’s brother-husband back to Somalia, you racist?

I don’t think so.

 
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  1. How mainstream is the idea of paying people off to leave? Either illegal immigrants who have lived in the US and we feel guilty about or full blown citizens?

    It’s one of those things that seems incredibly obvious and important to me but never hear anyone bring up.

    • Agree: Sarah Toga
    • Replies: @Barnard
    We can't even get the government to stop bringing in people from the Horn of Africa, that is the first step before paying people to leave.
    , @Sarah Toga
    Barnard states the obvious truth - that bears repeating simply because it is so incredible. The Ruling Class is just repugnant.
    Even so, we did get Trump elected. So there is hope?

    I have often emailed my congresscritters about paying a "repatriation bonus" to urge these people to return to their countries of origin.

    Such a program would include biometric ID and signed contracts where the recipient agrees to never return to the USA.

    And the info would be made public domain so that watch dog groups could keep tabs.

    With the new violence in London and Paris (coming soon to a town near you) maybe we can drum up support for this. Call talk radio, post comments, write letters-to-editor, talk with friends, family, co-workers.

    To hell with football, hobbies, etc. We have a nation to save.
    , @Cato
    An idea occasionally mooted by Tennessee politicians is that anyone on the dole be sterilized. A modification of this, proposed by a public school teacher of my acquaintance, is that we (conceivably a private charity) offer $1,000 to anyone willing to be sterilized. The takers would predominantly be those with weak ability to defer gratification, who don't care about children and who would make lousy parents. What do you think the chances are of this proposal being accepted, even in Tennessee?
    , @bomag

    ...paying people off to leave...
     
    The nation-haters in the courts and bureaucracy will quickly corrupt and twist this program into another weapon to be used against traditional Americans: anyone in the program will get triple damages for having their zeroeth amendment rights abridged, i.e. triple their number will be imported to punish the natives and teach them a lesson.

    We have to stop importing these animated evil zombies.
    , @CK
    Paying them to leave does not guarantee that they will stay gone. Pay me once; pay me twice it's just a merry go round.
  2. You’d like to believe it’s just karma for these “Minnesota Nice” ladies and the socialist politics these people brought with them from Scandanavia a century ago or wherever. However, there are always smart, decent, and reponsible people that have to pay for this stuff. Karma should be a one-on-one thing, so maybe this is just Menken’s “… and they’re gonna get it, good and hard.”

    • Disagree: Guy de Champlagne
    • Replies: @Guy de Champlagne
    Because every dumbass kool aid drinking conservative knows how awful Scandinavian countries are! It's not like they have literally the highest average standard of living of any countries on earth or anything.

    There's nothing wrong with that kind of socialism. And anyone that thinks the US is on the precipice of ruin because any leftward movement takes us to Bolshevism is a moron.

  3. DNA test? Where’s Maury Povich when ya need him?

  4. I think the Minneapolis Somali community would rank this currently their third most important issue after making sure no one ever proves the mosque bombing was a hoax and making sure Mohammed Noor isn’t charged with murder or manslaughter for killing Justine Damond.

    • Replies: @res
    Check this out: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4737564/Justine-Damond-U-S-Mohamed-Noor-never-face-charges.html
    As bad as lynching was it is very easy to understand how it could have happened in some cases.
    What a travesty of justice it will be if he can't even be charged so the evidence can be evaluated in court under oath. Even most of the BS cases (e.g. St. Trayvon, the gentle giant, Freddie Gray) made it to court.
  5. @Guy de Champlagne
    How mainstream is the idea of paying people off to leave? Either illegal immigrants who have lived in the US and we feel guilty about or full blown citizens?

    It's one of those things that seems incredibly obvious and important to me but never hear anyone bring up.

    We can’t even get the government to stop bringing in people from the Horn of Africa, that is the first step before paying people to leave.

  6. @Barnard
    I think the Minneapolis Somali community would rank this currently their third most important issue after making sure no one ever proves the mosque bombing was a hoax and making sure Mohammed Noor isn't charged with murder or manslaughter for killing Justine Damond.

    Check this out: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4737564/Justine-Damond-U-S-Mohamed-Noor-never-face-charges.html
    As bad as lynching was it is very easy to understand how it could have happened in some cases.
    What a travesty of justice it will be if he can’t even be charged so the evidence can be evaluated in court under oath. Even most of the BS cases (e.g. St. Trayvon, the gentle giant, Freddie Gray) made it to court.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    I disagree with your sentiment. We made a land of law and order. The alternative is St Louis writ large.
    , @Chris Mallory
    There should not be any need for his statement to put him on trial. He shot an unarmed woman who was no threat. Those facts are not in doubt. Give him his trial then hang him.
    , @Mr. Anon
    The police should fire him for insubordination (refusing to complay with an official investigation), before he does cooperate. He could be prosecuted and convicted then. They probably won't though - blue wall, and all that.
    , @Escher
    He is being shielded by the police brotherhood. Cannot have a cop (no matter what color or religion) be held accountable for shooting a pleb.
    , @SteveRogers42
    The Brits at The Mail misunderstand Garrity. All that Garrity means is that the particular statements provided in an internal investigation can not be used during courtroom proceedings. It is NOT a bar to evidence-gathering through other venues. Civil and criminal prosecutors are free to duplicate the same interrogation/deposition process to gather the same statements he provided during the IA investigation. Under Garrity, however, the IA statements may not be compared to any other statements given.
  7. @Achmed E. Newman
    You'd like to believe it's just karma for these "Minnesota Nice" ladies and the socialist politics these people brought with them from Scandanavia a century ago or wherever. However, there are always smart, decent, and reponsible people that have to pay for this stuff. Karma should be a one-on-one thing, so maybe this is just Menken's "... and they're gonna get it, good and hard."

    Because every dumbass kool aid drinking conservative knows how awful Scandinavian countries are! It’s not like they have literally the highest average standard of living of any countries on earth or anything.

    There’s nothing wrong with that kind of socialism. And anyone that thinks the US is on the precipice of ruin because any leftward movement takes us to Bolshevism is a moron.

    • Agree: Bill
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    I agree that the casual disregard of European countries expressed by parochial american conservatives - those with no familiarity of anything but their own country - is risible. Those people believed Rush Limbaugh when he said that Western Europe had a lower standard of living than America.

    And clearly, it isn't left-wing politics that, exclusively at least, makes some big cities hell-holes. Portland and San Francisco are not the same as Detroit and Baltimore. There's a reason for that.

    That said, I'm no fan of socialism generally. Opposing it isn't the most important thing to me, but I think it is generally a bad idea. Socialism itself hasn't destroyed britain or scandinavia. But it is possible that socialism led to, or at least significatnly contributed to, the societal enervation that now seems to be leading to the destruction of britain and scandinavia.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I've been there (back before the major influx of the Moslems) It was not place for an ambitious man to live, as taxes were out the yingyang, and money was being redistributed to bums - I'll agree that it's not quite as much of a problem as it is when you already have dieversity. Here's something I wrote in response to Ilana Mercer (under her post about the remnants of looter-gatherer society that exist in our inner cities):

    The problem we end up with always under any form of Socialism is the moral hazard. Those who have a tendency to be irresponsible but wouldn’t be due to worries about being dirt-poor, hungry, or dead will tend to do things very irresponsibly if that is encouraged by law. Those who are responsible by nature will continue to be even as a part of their lives (the lost years of labor taken away in taxes) are removed.

    What happens in the fairly long run, in terms of heredity? Well, the irresponsible ones, usually in conjunction with being the stupider ones (not always) will have more kids. That is to be expected, as there will be no big fear of a life of struggle, due to Big Brother Government (the smiley-faced side, presenting the loot that is the stolen portions of the lives of the American hard-working taxpayers) covering all losses. The responsible ones (usually the smart ones, too) will limit their procreation due to the big hit they take as much of their labor is stolen (the dour-faced side of Big Brother Government, representing the theft under threat of prison of portions of lives).

    Knowing what people on here know well about HBD and inheritance, what kind of people will we end up with more of, and what kind of people will become more scarce? Is this so hard to think about?
     
    Yeah, leftism HAS indeed been the ruin of the country, but there are always contributing factors. We've had more than our share - a significant chunk of existing "legacy-diversity", if I may, and large influxes of immigration from folks that have no cultural background of liberty/rule-of-law.
  8. Maybe Ilhan is just being buggered? No offspring, no foul?

    Ain’t Die-verse-i-tee grand?

    Where is guest when we need him?

  9. @res
    Check this out: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4737564/Justine-Damond-U-S-Mohamed-Noor-never-face-charges.html
    As bad as lynching was it is very easy to understand how it could have happened in some cases.
    What a travesty of justice it will be if he can't even be charged so the evidence can be evaluated in court under oath. Even most of the BS cases (e.g. St. Trayvon, the gentle giant, Freddie Gray) made it to court.

    I disagree with your sentiment. We made a land of law and order. The alternative is St Louis writ large.

    • Replies: @res
    I am not saying lynching is or was OK. But it is understandable in a day before even our current sub-optimal level of justice had arrived on the frontier. I really wonder how I would be reacting right now if I were Justine Damond's fiancé.

    Do you disagree with my travesty of justice comment?

    Nothing I have written actually supports lynching and I am not trying to dog whistle any such thing. What do you recommend be done if Noor never sees the inside of a courtroom (especially if he keeps his job as well)? Pat him on the back and say atta boy?
    , @bomag

    We made a land of law and order.
     
    It is not a land of law and order if Omar walks. Making a land of law and order requires the citizens to act.

    The alternative is St Louis writ large.
     
    One problem with St. Louis is that few will get off their ass to fix anything, including the law and order problem.
    , @3g4me
    @9 Yak-15: "I disagree with your sentiment. We made a land of law and order. The alternative is St Louis writ large."

    What the Founders may have intended as a land of law and ordered liberty long ago morphed into the Managerial State. Thus while I can admire your principled stance in principle, in practice we have mere Anarcho-Tyranny. Vigilante justice would be an immense improvement. From Infogalactic:

    "Managerial state is a paleoconservative concept used in critiquing modern social democracy in Western countries. The term takes a pejorative context as a manifestation of Western decline. Theorists Samuel T. Francis and Paul Gottfried say this is an ongoing regime that remains in power, regardless of what political party holds a majority. Variations include therapeutic managerial state,[1] welfare-warfare state[2] or polite totalitarianism.[3]

    Francis, following James Burnham, said that under this historical process, “law is replaced by administrative decree, federalism is replaced by executive autocracy, and a limited government replaced by an unlimited state.”[4] It acts in the name of abstract goals, such as equality or positive rights, and uses its claim of moral superiority, power of taxation and wealth redistribution to keep itself in power.

    . . . Samuel Francis argued that the problems of managerial state extend to issues of crime and justice. In 1992, he introduced the word “anarcho-tyranny” into the paleocon vocabulary.[10] He once defined it this way: “we refuse to control real criminals (that's the anarchy) so we control the innocent (that's the tyranny).”[11] Francis argued that this situation extends across the U.S. and Europe. While the government functions normally, violent crime remains a constant, creating a climate of fear (anarchy). He says that “laws that are supposed to protect ordinary citizens against ordinary criminals” routinely go unenforced, even though the state is “perfectly capable” of doing so. While this problem rages on, government elites concentrate their interests on law-abiding citizens. In fact, Middle America winds up on the receiving end of both anarchy and tyranny.[10]"

  10. Somewhere in Kentucky, someone is reading this and thinking, “Dang, that’s nasty! Even we wouldn’t vote for someone who did that!”

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    Kentucky has stronger laws against "family relations" than New York and Massachusetts. Both of those states allow first cousin marriage and sexual relations.
    , @Johnny Smoggins
    I think you mean somewhere in Israel or Brooklyn right? Inbreeding is rife amongst Orthodox Jews.
    , @Wilkey
    Somewhere in Kentucky, someone is reading this and thinking, “Dang, that’s nasty! Even we wouldn’t vote for someone who did that!”

    Yeah yeah, I get it, it's a joke, haha very funny. Kentucky probably has maybe 1/50th the rate of cousin marriage/relationships of the Muslim world. But if you joke about Kentucky and inbreeding everyone chuckles. If you joke about Muslims and inbreeding half of your leftwing Facebook friends will delete you.
  11. @Guy de Champlagne
    How mainstream is the idea of paying people off to leave? Either illegal immigrants who have lived in the US and we feel guilty about or full blown citizens?

    It's one of those things that seems incredibly obvious and important to me but never hear anyone bring up.

    Barnard states the obvious truth – that bears repeating simply because it is so incredible. The Ruling Class is just repugnant.
    Even so, we did get Trump elected. So there is hope?

    I have often emailed my congresscritters about paying a “repatriation bonus” to urge these people to return to their countries of origin.

    Such a program would include biometric ID and signed contracts where the recipient agrees to never return to the USA.

    And the info would be made public domain so that watch dog groups could keep tabs.

    With the new violence in London and Paris (coming soon to a town near you) maybe we can drum up support for this. Call talk radio, post comments, write letters-to-editor, talk with friends, family, co-workers.

    To hell with football, hobbies, etc. We have a nation to save.

  12. These 3.rd world cultures can never adapt to a western kind of society with rule of law due to culture. They are all highly endogamous with marriages closed to the family as others are strangers-like a first cousin . (xenophobes). Islam resonates with these tribal family values so tribal law becomes “Gods law”/sharia. Western societies are all exogamous and the nation is a family value for us, but with the need of the illusion of familiarity as in a tribe. That is why we have a civil society, rule of law, individualism and democracy. To a endogamous culture our values and law are illegitimate and will brake down the tribal family and put shame on its honour by exposing females for a unclean society of strangers. The Pakistani anthropologist, Akbar Ahmed says that Bin Laden spoke to these tribal family values that islam resonates with in his talks. The clash of civilisations is not just about religion but family values and social organisation. These will not change with islam because there were there before islam.

  13. Incestuous Somalis are the real Americans.

  14. @Guy de Champlagne
    How mainstream is the idea of paying people off to leave? Either illegal immigrants who have lived in the US and we feel guilty about or full blown citizens?

    It's one of those things that seems incredibly obvious and important to me but never hear anyone bring up.

    An idea occasionally mooted by Tennessee politicians is that anyone on the dole be sterilized. A modification of this, proposed by a public school teacher of my acquaintance, is that we (conceivably a private charity) offer $1,000 to anyone willing to be sterilized. The takers would predominantly be those with weak ability to defer gratification, who don’t care about children and who would make lousy parents. What do you think the chances are of this proposal being accepted, even in Tennessee?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ... that we (conceivably a private charity) offer $1,000 to anyone willing to be sterilized.
     
    Ha ha.

    Also, the charity might be private, but the verification process is bound not to be.
    , @Guy de Champlagne
    I think long term birth control should absolutely be a requirement for any means tested government assistance. One of the things we need to do to make this work is invest in birth control research for men so there are male equivalents to the female birth control pills and implants.

    I'm very wary of sterilization though certainly for such a broad swath of people. Maybe I'm being unduly sentimental but I don't like the idea of permanently stigmatizing and limiting someones possible life choices because they go through a rough patch in their life.

  15. @njguy73
    Somewhere in Kentucky, someone is reading this and thinking, "Dang, that's nasty! Even we wouldn't vote for someone who did that!"

    Kentucky has stronger laws against “family relations” than New York and Massachusetts. Both of those states allow first cousin marriage and sexual relations.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Kentucky has stronger laws against “family relations” than New York and Massachusetts. Both of those states allow first cousin marriage and sexual relations.
     
    First-cousin marriage is legal almost everywhere in the world with the exception of about half the states here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#/media/File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg

    But hey, we can rejoice that Crackers and Yankees agree on something:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#/media/File:Cousin_marriage_map1.svg

    Even though objection to cousin marriage is traditionally a Catholic thing, it was the eugenics movement which spread the ban in the US. So the Papists and the Progressives agree on something as well!
    , @njguy73
    I was joking about how Kentucky has been linked with inbreeding in the popular mythology, albeit unfairly, and how this Somali-Minnesotan situation makes them look downright eugenic.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    I hear genealogical research is pretty simple in Kentucky


    wait for it .....



    because family trees don't have very many branches. ;-)
  16. It would be no surprise if the incestuous Ilhan Omar’s ‘cultural husband’ (or as Michelle Obama would say, “My babies’ daddy!”) is actually her half-brother.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    She's clearly guilty or breaking some law, and ought to be charged with it. Either she smuggled in her Baby-Daddy as a blood-relative when he wasn't, or um, yeeccccch.

    BTW, here's a pretty blunt depiction of how the baby-daddy scam actually works:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfhsXlNf4XI
  17. @Yak-15
    I disagree with your sentiment. We made a land of law and order. The alternative is St Louis writ large.

    I am not saying lynching is or was OK. But it is understandable in a day before even our current sub-optimal level of justice had arrived on the frontier. I really wonder how I would be reacting right now if I were Justine Damond’s fiancé.

    Do you disagree with my travesty of justice comment?

    Nothing I have written actually supports lynching and I am not trying to dog whistle any such thing. What do you recommend be done if Noor never sees the inside of a courtroom (especially if he keeps his job as well)? Pat him on the back and say atta boy?

  18. @res
    Check this out: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4737564/Justine-Damond-U-S-Mohamed-Noor-never-face-charges.html
    As bad as lynching was it is very easy to understand how it could have happened in some cases.
    What a travesty of justice it will be if he can't even be charged so the evidence can be evaluated in court under oath. Even most of the BS cases (e.g. St. Trayvon, the gentle giant, Freddie Gray) made it to court.

    There should not be any need for his statement to put him on trial. He shot an unarmed woman who was no threat. Those facts are not in doubt. Give him his trial then hang him.

    • Replies: @res
    One would think, but it seems to me the motto is "any excuse in a storm."
  19. @res
    Check this out: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4737564/Justine-Damond-U-S-Mohamed-Noor-never-face-charges.html
    As bad as lynching was it is very easy to understand how it could have happened in some cases.
    What a travesty of justice it will be if he can't even be charged so the evidence can be evaluated in court under oath. Even most of the BS cases (e.g. St. Trayvon, the gentle giant, Freddie Gray) made it to court.

    The police should fire him for insubordination (refusing to complay with an official investigation), before he does cooperate. He could be prosecuted and convicted then. They probably won’t though – blue wall, and all that.

  20. @njguy73
    Somewhere in Kentucky, someone is reading this and thinking, "Dang, that's nasty! Even we wouldn't vote for someone who did that!"

    I think you mean somewhere in Israel or Brooklyn right? Inbreeding is rife amongst Orthodox Jews.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I think you mean somewhere in Israel or Brooklyn right? Inbreeding is rife amongst Orthodox Jews.
     
    It is legal to this day for a Jew to marry his niece in Rhode Island. But only a Jew.

    That Roger Williams was something, wasn't he?
  21. @Guy de Champlagne
    Because every dumbass kool aid drinking conservative knows how awful Scandinavian countries are! It's not like they have literally the highest average standard of living of any countries on earth or anything.

    There's nothing wrong with that kind of socialism. And anyone that thinks the US is on the precipice of ruin because any leftward movement takes us to Bolshevism is a moron.

    I agree that the casual disregard of European countries expressed by parochial american conservatives – those with no familiarity of anything but their own country – is risible. Those people believed Rush Limbaugh when he said that Western Europe had a lower standard of living than America.

    And clearly, it isn’t left-wing politics that, exclusively at least, makes some big cities hell-holes. Portland and San Francisco are not the same as Detroit and Baltimore. There’s a reason for that.

    That said, I’m no fan of socialism generally. Opposing it isn’t the most important thing to me, but I think it is generally a bad idea. Socialism itself hasn’t destroyed britain or scandinavia. But it is possible that socialism led to, or at least significatnly contributed to, the societal enervation that now seems to be leading to the destruction of britain and scandinavia.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Socialism itself hasn’t destroyed britain or scandinavia.
     
    Considering that Scandinavia is the most capitalist corner of Europe, it would be most surprising if it had.

    Check out Falck:

    http://www.falck.com/en/company/mission-and-vision
    http://www.falck.com/en/company/owners/
    http://www.falck.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Profilebrochure_UK_low.pdf

    Falck fails Socialism 101. So did Saab, the only division of GM not bailed out-- let alone owned-- by the state.
    , @AnotherDad

    Those people believed Rush Limbaugh when he said that Western Europe had a lower standard of living than America.
     
    Which is in fact true by GDP per capita and even more so by GDP PPP/per capita.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IMF_ranked_countries_by_GDP


    Norway with the oil money has been a consistent outlier and Ireland has done very well of late because of corporate income reported there. And of course the small urbanized states do well.

    But generally the Nordics, the low countries and Germany have incomes maybe 15% less than the US, France and Britain more than 20% less. Mediterraneans lower. And this is with the US dragging around the blacks.

    The general rule of thumb is that whatever people--they have considerably higher incomes in the US. Anglos in the US versus England; Germans in the US versus Germany. Swedes in the US versus Swedens. Italians in the US versus Italy. And the worse your native country the bigger the boost--Mexicans in the US versus Mexico. And of course the huge winners from being in the US are the blacks, with well over an order of magnitude boost in income--even in PPP--by being in the US versus Africa.
    , @Art Deco
    Those people believed Rush Limbaugh when he said that Western Europe had a lower standard of living than America.

    Evidently, the World Bank belives Limbaugh too.


    Domestic product per capita (PPP) as a share of that of the United States:

    Luxembourg : 1.821
    Norway : 1.197
    Ireland : 1.179
    Switzerland : 1.062
    United States : 1.000
    Netherlands : 0.884
    Sweden : 0.871
    Denmark : 0.857
    Iceland : 0.849
    Austria : 0.828
    Germany : 0.827
    Belgium : 0.787
    Finland : 0.740
    United Kingdom : 0.730
    France : 0.714
    Malta : 0.670
    Italy : 0.649
    Spain : 0.624
    Czech Republic : 0.583
    Portugal : 0.506
    Greece : 0.455

    The position of Luxembourg and Ireland is in part attributable to their attractiveness as a locus for booking corporate earnings. The gross national income of Luxembourg is about 30% higher than that of the U.S. and that of Ireland is lower than that of the U.S.
    , @dr kill
    You do know of the charter flights from Western Europe to the US for Christmas shopping, no? Are there any similar excursions from here to there? I'll wait.

    Just go check out the offerings at IKEA. That is EU luxury in front of you. Like IKEA, well-off Europe is 5/8 as well-off as we are.

    Now if you want to go arguing fat people, or holiday time I'm with you, but straight household everyday goods no.

  22. I say Omar did the Republic a great service getting Phyllis Lorberblatt Kahn out of office after 44 years. Shame on the Democratic Farmer Labor party for allowing that to go on for so long. If it wasn’t for Somali immigrants Kahn would have died in office.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    If it wasn’t for Somali immigrants [Phyllis] Kahn would have died in office.
     
    Had she succeeded in lowering the voting age to twelve, as she often proposed, her margin of loss would have been much greater. Almost no white folks in her district have kids. Can't say that about Somalis.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    If it wasn’t for Somali immigrants [Phyllis] Kahn would have died in office.
     
    Had she succeeded in lowering the voting age to twelve, as she often proposed, her margin of loss would have been much greater. Almost no white folks in her district have kids. Can't say that about Somalis.
  23. @Cato
    An idea occasionally mooted by Tennessee politicians is that anyone on the dole be sterilized. A modification of this, proposed by a public school teacher of my acquaintance, is that we (conceivably a private charity) offer $1,000 to anyone willing to be sterilized. The takers would predominantly be those with weak ability to defer gratification, who don't care about children and who would make lousy parents. What do you think the chances are of this proposal being accepted, even in Tennessee?

    … that we (conceivably a private charity) offer $1,000 to anyone willing to be sterilized.

    Ha ha.

    Also, the charity might be private, but the verification process is bound not to be.

  24. @Chris Mallory
    Kentucky has stronger laws against "family relations" than New York and Massachusetts. Both of those states allow first cousin marriage and sexual relations.

    Kentucky has stronger laws against “family relations” than New York and Massachusetts. Both of those states allow first cousin marriage and sexual relations.

    First-cousin marriage is legal almost everywhere in the world with the exception of about half the states here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#/media/File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg

    But hey, we can rejoice that Crackers and Yankees agree on something:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#/media/File:Cousin_marriage_map1.svg

    Even though objection to cousin marriage is traditionally a Catholic thing, it was the eugenics movement which spread the ban in the US. So the Papists and the Progressives agree on something as well!

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Even though objection to cousin marriage is traditionally a Catholic thing, it was the eugenics movement which spread the ban in the US. So the Papists and the Progressives agree on something as well!
     
    And well they should.

    Doing a little quick back of the envelope math: If i'm married to my first cousin, then roughly half of the chromosomes I toss into a kid will have come from the shared set of grandparents. Of those, on average, for half of them my cousin will also be giving one from the shared grandparents. (So on average around 6 pairs out of 23 from the shared GPs.) And in those cases one out of four times, on average, it would be the *same*.

    So on average your kid would expect just below 1-1/2 pairs to be matches. If there are deleterious mutations on that chromosome ... you've given your kid a genetic whack with no backup plan. Bad idea.

    If you want to "keep it in the family" going out to 2nd or 3rd cousin ... and you're good to go. The chance of having essentially the same chromosome show up is pretty low. (1 matching chromosome pair in 64 for 2nds, 1/256 for 3rds. On average only a 1/3 of pair matching for 2nds and 1/12 of a pair for 3rds.) You're consanguinity penalty is closing in on the normal background "bad shit happens" territory.
    , @Art Deco
    Even though objection to cousin marriage is traditionally a Catholic thing,

    That objection is to relations with relatives closer than the 7th degree, if I'm not mistaken, not to cousin marriage in toto. I think a 2d cousin-once-removed is permissible.
  25. @Johnny Smoggins
    I think you mean somewhere in Israel or Brooklyn right? Inbreeding is rife amongst Orthodox Jews.

    I think you mean somewhere in Israel or Brooklyn right? Inbreeding is rife amongst Orthodox Jews.

    It is legal to this day for a Jew to marry his niece in Rhode Island. But only a Jew.

    That Roger Williams was something, wasn’t he?

  26. @Mr. Anon
    I agree that the casual disregard of European countries expressed by parochial american conservatives - those with no familiarity of anything but their own country - is risible. Those people believed Rush Limbaugh when he said that Western Europe had a lower standard of living than America.

    And clearly, it isn't left-wing politics that, exclusively at least, makes some big cities hell-holes. Portland and San Francisco are not the same as Detroit and Baltimore. There's a reason for that.

    That said, I'm no fan of socialism generally. Opposing it isn't the most important thing to me, but I think it is generally a bad idea. Socialism itself hasn't destroyed britain or scandinavia. But it is possible that socialism led to, or at least significatnly contributed to, the societal enervation that now seems to be leading to the destruction of britain and scandinavia.

    Socialism itself hasn’t destroyed britain or scandinavia.

    Considering that Scandinavia is the most capitalist corner of Europe, it would be most surprising if it had.

    Check out Falck:

    http://www.falck.com/en/company/mission-and-vision
    http://www.falck.com/en/company/owners/
    http://www.falck.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Profilebrochure_UK_low.pdf

    Falck fails Socialism 101. So did Saab, the only division of GM not bailed out– let alone owned– by the state.

  27. @George
    I say Omar did the Republic a great service getting Phyllis Lorberblatt Kahn out of office after 44 years. Shame on the Democratic Farmer Labor party for allowing that to go on for so long. If it wasn't for Somali immigrants Kahn would have died in office.

    If it wasn’t for Somali immigrants [Phyllis] Kahn would have died in office.

    Had she succeeded in lowering the voting age to twelve, as she often proposed, her margin of loss would have been much greater. Almost no white folks in her district have kids. Can’t say that about Somalis.

  28. @George
    I say Omar did the Republic a great service getting Phyllis Lorberblatt Kahn out of office after 44 years. Shame on the Democratic Farmer Labor party for allowing that to go on for so long. If it wasn't for Somali immigrants Kahn would have died in office.

    If it wasn’t for Somali immigrants [Phyllis] Kahn would have died in office.

    Had she succeeded in lowering the voting age to twelve, as she often proposed, her margin of loss would have been much greater. Almost no white folks in her district have kids. Can’t say that about Somalis.

  29. @Chris Mallory
    There should not be any need for his statement to put him on trial. He shot an unarmed woman who was no threat. Those facts are not in doubt. Give him his trial then hang him.

    One would think, but it seems to me the motto is “any excuse in a storm.”

  30. @Chris Mallory
    Kentucky has stronger laws against "family relations" than New York and Massachusetts. Both of those states allow first cousin marriage and sexual relations.

    I was joking about how Kentucky has been linked with inbreeding in the popular mythology, albeit unfairly, and how this Somali-Minnesotan situation makes them look downright eugenic.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Associating Kentucky with inbreeding is an offensive and ignorant stereotype.
    That's West Virginia.
  31. @Mr. Anon
    I agree that the casual disregard of European countries expressed by parochial american conservatives - those with no familiarity of anything but their own country - is risible. Those people believed Rush Limbaugh when he said that Western Europe had a lower standard of living than America.

    And clearly, it isn't left-wing politics that, exclusively at least, makes some big cities hell-holes. Portland and San Francisco are not the same as Detroit and Baltimore. There's a reason for that.

    That said, I'm no fan of socialism generally. Opposing it isn't the most important thing to me, but I think it is generally a bad idea. Socialism itself hasn't destroyed britain or scandinavia. But it is possible that socialism led to, or at least significatnly contributed to, the societal enervation that now seems to be leading to the destruction of britain and scandinavia.

    Those people believed Rush Limbaugh when he said that Western Europe had a lower standard of living than America.

    Which is in fact true by GDP per capita and even more so by GDP PPP/per capita.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IMF_ranked_countries_by_GDP

    Norway with the oil money has been a consistent outlier and Ireland has done very well of late because of corporate income reported there. And of course the small urbanized states do well.

    But generally the Nordics, the low countries and Germany have incomes maybe 15% less than the US, France and Britain more than 20% less. Mediterraneans lower. And this is with the US dragging around the blacks.

    The general rule of thumb is that whatever people–they have considerably higher incomes in the US. Anglos in the US versus England; Germans in the US versus Germany. Swedes in the US versus Swedens. Italians in the US versus Italy. And the worse your native country the bigger the boost–Mexicans in the US versus Mexico. And of course the huge winners from being in the US are the blacks, with well over an order of magnitude boost in income–even in PPP–by being in the US versus Africa.

    • Replies: @Guy de Champlagne
    Income isn't everything. There's a panoply of different ways to rank quality of living, but the most commonly cited one is the UN Human Development Index (which itself has at least two different versions). It looks at income, health, and education .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_HDI#2015_Inequality-adjusted_HDI_.28IHDI.29_.282016_report.29.5B6.5D
    , @Anonymous
    I know I will raise a storm of abuse and indignation, but no Briton is ever financially ruined by medical bills.
    , @biz
    GDP, even GDP per capita, doesn't capture the full picture when it comes to quality of life or even perceived prosperity.
    , @22pp22
    When I go to the US, it doesn't give the impression of being richer than Europe or OzNZ. It seems to vary alot from place to place. Half of Palo Alto is a ghetto, half a giant housing estate of McMansions. There is nothing rich about Detroit and Los Angeles looks like a shantytown as you drive through it. Other places reek of wealth.

    I have moved from Cyprus to Thessaloniki in Greece. People here have experienced a depression that makes the Great Depression look like a mild economic hiccup.

    By the cafes are full, the streets are safe and I have only seen one beggar in two weeks.

    We shop at the the Monday market. You can eat well for a week on 20 euros.

    A man spat in the street today. It was the first example of antisocial behaviour I have seen.

    Maybe Thessaloniki is atypical.
  32. @Reg Cæsar

    Kentucky has stronger laws against “family relations” than New York and Massachusetts. Both of those states allow first cousin marriage and sexual relations.
     
    First-cousin marriage is legal almost everywhere in the world with the exception of about half the states here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#/media/File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg

    But hey, we can rejoice that Crackers and Yankees agree on something:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#/media/File:Cousin_marriage_map1.svg

    Even though objection to cousin marriage is traditionally a Catholic thing, it was the eugenics movement which spread the ban in the US. So the Papists and the Progressives agree on something as well!

    Even though objection to cousin marriage is traditionally a Catholic thing, it was the eugenics movement which spread the ban in the US. So the Papists and the Progressives agree on something as well!

    And well they should.

    Doing a little quick back of the envelope math: If i’m married to my first cousin, then roughly half of the chromosomes I toss into a kid will have come from the shared set of grandparents. Of those, on average, for half of them my cousin will also be giving one from the shared grandparents. (So on average around 6 pairs out of 23 from the shared GPs.) And in those cases one out of four times, on average, it would be the *same*.

    So on average your kid would expect just below 1-1/2 pairs to be matches. If there are deleterious mutations on that chromosome … you’ve given your kid a genetic whack with no backup plan. Bad idea.

    If you want to “keep it in the family” going out to 2nd or 3rd cousin … and you’re good to go. The chance of having essentially the same chromosome show up is pretty low. (1 matching chromosome pair in 64 for 2nds, 1/256 for 3rds. On average only a 1/3 of pair matching for 2nds and 1/12 of a pair for 3rds.) You’re consanguinity penalty is closing in on the normal background “bad shit happens” territory.

    • Replies: @res
    The grandparental contributions are shuffled in the parental gametes due to recombination: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_recombination

    Put another way each chromosome is a shuffled mix from one pair of grandparents.
  33. @AnotherDad

    Those people believed Rush Limbaugh when he said that Western Europe had a lower standard of living than America.
     
    Which is in fact true by GDP per capita and even more so by GDP PPP/per capita.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IMF_ranked_countries_by_GDP


    Norway with the oil money has been a consistent outlier and Ireland has done very well of late because of corporate income reported there. And of course the small urbanized states do well.

    But generally the Nordics, the low countries and Germany have incomes maybe 15% less than the US, France and Britain more than 20% less. Mediterraneans lower. And this is with the US dragging around the blacks.

    The general rule of thumb is that whatever people--they have considerably higher incomes in the US. Anglos in the US versus England; Germans in the US versus Germany. Swedes in the US versus Swedens. Italians in the US versus Italy. And the worse your native country the bigger the boost--Mexicans in the US versus Mexico. And of course the huge winners from being in the US are the blacks, with well over an order of magnitude boost in income--even in PPP--by being in the US versus Africa.

    Income isn’t everything. There’s a panoply of different ways to rank quality of living, but the most commonly cited one is the UN Human Development Index (which itself has at least two different versions). It looks at income, health, and education .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_HDI#2015_Inequality-adjusted_HDI_.28IHDI.29_.282016_report.29.5B6.5D

  34. @Cato
    An idea occasionally mooted by Tennessee politicians is that anyone on the dole be sterilized. A modification of this, proposed by a public school teacher of my acquaintance, is that we (conceivably a private charity) offer $1,000 to anyone willing to be sterilized. The takers would predominantly be those with weak ability to defer gratification, who don't care about children and who would make lousy parents. What do you think the chances are of this proposal being accepted, even in Tennessee?

    I think long term birth control should absolutely be a requirement for any means tested government assistance. One of the things we need to do to make this work is invest in birth control research for men so there are male equivalents to the female birth control pills and implants.

    I’m very wary of sterilization though certainly for such a broad swath of people. Maybe I’m being unduly sentimental but I don’t like the idea of permanently stigmatizing and limiting someones possible life choices because they go through a rough patch in their life.

  35. The Socialism of Western Europe was only made possible by not spending anything on defense and relying on Uncle Sucker. See now — even if the Western Europeans WANTED to stop the massive influx of rapefugees to their nations they lack the men, navies, air forces, and armies to do so. They have a gay pride parade in olive drab and that’s if for their military.

    As for Mohammed Noor, get used to it. He’s both Black AND Muslim so he does not have to abide by puny White man laws and has the state and better sanctioned (you deplorable you!) ability to kill who he wants when he wants as long as the target is White.

    You, as a White man or woman have NO RIGHTS. NONE AT ALL. Get used to it. Want that to change? You better organize with others to make yourself feared. Not by stupid Unabomber dead-ends; or Eric Rudolph, but by finding every big shot’s Weiner (Anthony that is) and expose his sexting underage girls, or diddling little boys, or raping camels. They are ALL just like that anyway so its not that hard.

    Heck an “Army of Davids” going after each and every family member, staff member, associate, lawyer, accountant, all the infrastructure like a softer version of Los Pepes is what is needed. Chucky and Nancy can’t tie their own shoelaces, so destroy their family and crony networks by making each of them into Anthony Weiner (and again its not that hard, they are all pervs and crooks alike) and they’re as toast as Pablo Escobar at the end.

  36. @AnotherDad

    Even though objection to cousin marriage is traditionally a Catholic thing, it was the eugenics movement which spread the ban in the US. So the Papists and the Progressives agree on something as well!
     
    And well they should.

    Doing a little quick back of the envelope math: If i'm married to my first cousin, then roughly half of the chromosomes I toss into a kid will have come from the shared set of grandparents. Of those, on average, for half of them my cousin will also be giving one from the shared grandparents. (So on average around 6 pairs out of 23 from the shared GPs.) And in those cases one out of four times, on average, it would be the *same*.

    So on average your kid would expect just below 1-1/2 pairs to be matches. If there are deleterious mutations on that chromosome ... you've given your kid a genetic whack with no backup plan. Bad idea.

    If you want to "keep it in the family" going out to 2nd or 3rd cousin ... and you're good to go. The chance of having essentially the same chromosome show up is pretty low. (1 matching chromosome pair in 64 for 2nds, 1/256 for 3rds. On average only a 1/3 of pair matching for 2nds and 1/12 of a pair for 3rds.) You're consanguinity penalty is closing in on the normal background "bad shit happens" territory.

    The grandparental contributions are shuffled in the parental gametes due to recombination: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_recombination

    Put another way each chromosome is a shuffled mix from one pair of grandparents.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    The grandparental contributions are shuffled in the parental gametes due to recombination: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_recombination.
     
    I left out recombination to paint a simpler picture but it does not fundamentally alter the math.

    You won't get *completely* similar chromosomes, but alternatively you can have hits for mutated genes where you aren't both contributing the same GParent chromosome because of recombination.

    Essentially for any genes you put into your kid, on average half of them are coming from the shared grandparents, and 1/8 of the time (eight separate chromosomes went into the possible mix) your spouse is ponying up the exact same DNA sequence. (Minus of course the small chance of mutation in the intervening two generations.)

    Bottom line: Cousins are simply too close. 1/16th of his DNA is coming from the same shared grandparent and in general you will have a number of hits where your kid is ending up with two copies of one of his great-grandparent's crappy chunk of DNA. The fitness depression of children in first cousin marriage is not huge--on average--but it is significant and noticeable. You can get away with it, but it's a bad idea.
  37. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I am genuinely surprised that the article didn’t mention that she was also the first American legislator to have her headscarf ripped from her head by a DC cab driver on her very first visit to the capitol. And the first one to subsequently go to the media about having her headscarf ripped from her head, and the first one to fail to file a police report about such a horrible crime, allowing the perpetrator to go free.

  38. A good time to say again that we have essentially open immigration from Somalia. All they need to do is get inside the USA, legally or illegally, and they can get a work permit and be protected from deportation through TPS. The Secretary of Homeland Security decides what countries, if any, get on the list. Trump’s open borders Gen Kelley not only betrayed his country and his people by not immediately taking Somalia, Sudan, El Salvador, etc off the list, he actually renewed Haiti, whose status was set to expire.

    For this, Trump promoted Kelley to chief of staff, who then rapidly purged Bannon and several of his allies.

    Trump’s plan is to continue the rapid importation of African Muslims, with the two most likely replacements for Kelley being Rick Perry and Rep McCaul, both career advocates of replacing white Americans.

    Check out where McCaul is compared to other TX GOP Congressmen on the Numbers USA report card. There are 23 Republicans with better records and only 3 with worse records.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/tools/grades/list/0/CAREER/tx/A/Grade/Active

    • Replies: @Bill
    Yes. Personnel is policy.
  39. For years Khan was the most liberal member of elected MN state. A lot of details have been memory holed. But I think she wrote or sponsored one of the first state laws against female genital mutilation. She never really talked about fgm the last 15 years or so, even though Minnesota had the most fgm cases in the US. (Last I read California was the new fgm clubhouse leader)

    Another one of her late career initiatives was trying to relax rules against cousin marriage for her Somali and Hmong constituency.

    Her good work didn’t save her seat from Omar, but the evolution from hardcore feminist to burkas and fgm is illustrative.

    Also it looks like her sham marriage was just immigration and welfare fraud not incest.

  40. @AnotherDad

    Those people believed Rush Limbaugh when he said that Western Europe had a lower standard of living than America.
     
    Which is in fact true by GDP per capita and even more so by GDP PPP/per capita.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IMF_ranked_countries_by_GDP


    Norway with the oil money has been a consistent outlier and Ireland has done very well of late because of corporate income reported there. And of course the small urbanized states do well.

    But generally the Nordics, the low countries and Germany have incomes maybe 15% less than the US, France and Britain more than 20% less. Mediterraneans lower. And this is with the US dragging around the blacks.

    The general rule of thumb is that whatever people--they have considerably higher incomes in the US. Anglos in the US versus England; Germans in the US versus Germany. Swedes in the US versus Swedens. Italians in the US versus Italy. And the worse your native country the bigger the boost--Mexicans in the US versus Mexico. And of course the huge winners from being in the US are the blacks, with well over an order of magnitude boost in income--even in PPP--by being in the US versus Africa.

    I know I will raise a storm of abuse and indignation, but no Briton is ever financially ruined by medical bills.

    • Replies: @bomag

    ...no Briton is ever financially ruined by medical bills.
     
    Part of this is accounting. The US gives you money, then has the health care field take it away. In Britain, you don't get the money in the first place; it is given directly to the health care field.
  41. • Replies: @anon
    Verrrrry interesting.

    One quibble with the last entry on the list, which claims AA Milne's son married his cousin, but there were no children.
    According to Wikipedia, Christopher Robin Milne married his mother's brother's daughter, and they had one daughter, who was born with severe cerebral palsy.
  42. @res
    The grandparental contributions are shuffled in the parental gametes due to recombination: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_recombination

    Put another way each chromosome is a shuffled mix from one pair of grandparents.

    The grandparental contributions are shuffled in the parental gametes due to recombination: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_recombination.

    I left out recombination to paint a simpler picture but it does not fundamentally alter the math.

    You won’t get *completely* similar chromosomes, but alternatively you can have hits for mutated genes where you aren’t both contributing the same GParent chromosome because of recombination.

    Essentially for any genes you put into your kid, on average half of them are coming from the shared grandparents, and 1/8 of the time (eight separate chromosomes went into the possible mix) your spouse is ponying up the exact same DNA sequence. (Minus of course the small chance of mutation in the intervening two generations.)

    Bottom line: Cousins are simply too close. 1/16th of his DNA is coming from the same shared grandparent and in general you will have a number of hits where your kid is ending up with two copies of one of his great-grandparent’s crappy chunk of DNA. The fitness depression of children in first cousin marriage is not huge–on average–but it is significant and noticeable. You can get away with it, but it’s a bad idea.

  43. As I noted last year, Omar is also probably the first state legislator to have taken out a marriage certificate naming her brother as her husband. If so, she is certainly also the first state legislator—Muslim or not—to be married to her brother (the marriage would be illegal and void ab initio under Minnesota law), while also having a “cultural” husband, who happens to be the father of her children.

    So essentially she and her brother are *openly* engaging in immigration marriage fraud and … crickets.

    Where the hell is Trump?

    The first order of business of anyone who gives a crap about saving the nation should be to stop the open flouting of our immigration law, like these illegal a*holes who publish op-eds or lecture about “living in the shadows” while … refusing to live in the shadows. Tack on this. Open immigration marriage fraud by a state legislator.

    Where the hell is Trump?

  44. @res
    Check this out: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4737564/Justine-Damond-U-S-Mohamed-Noor-never-face-charges.html
    As bad as lynching was it is very easy to understand how it could have happened in some cases.
    What a travesty of justice it will be if he can't even be charged so the evidence can be evaluated in court under oath. Even most of the BS cases (e.g. St. Trayvon, the gentle giant, Freddie Gray) made it to court.

    He is being shielded by the police brotherhood. Cannot have a cop (no matter what color or religion) be held accountable for shooting a pleb.

    • Replies: @bomag

    He is being shielded by the police brotherhood
     
    Which is infuriating. Our local force had a similar incident; it makes one sympathize with the critics.
  45. This may not be a real marriage, just a scam to get her brother over on a “husband” visa, which takes much less time than family reunification applications, especially for adult family members.

  46. @Guy de Champlagne
    How mainstream is the idea of paying people off to leave? Either illegal immigrants who have lived in the US and we feel guilty about or full blown citizens?

    It's one of those things that seems incredibly obvious and important to me but never hear anyone bring up.

    …paying people off to leave…

    The nation-haters in the courts and bureaucracy will quickly corrupt and twist this program into another weapon to be used against traditional Americans: anyone in the program will get triple damages for having their zeroeth amendment rights abridged, i.e. triple their number will be imported to punish the natives and teach them a lesson.

    We have to stop importing these animated evil zombies.

  47. @Yak-15
    I disagree with your sentiment. We made a land of law and order. The alternative is St Louis writ large.

    We made a land of law and order.

    It is not a land of law and order if Omar walks. Making a land of law and order requires the citizens to act.

    The alternative is St Louis writ large.

    One problem with St. Louis is that few will get off their ass to fix anything, including the law and order problem.

  48. @njguy73
    Somewhere in Kentucky, someone is reading this and thinking, "Dang, that's nasty! Even we wouldn't vote for someone who did that!"

    Somewhere in Kentucky, someone is reading this and thinking, “Dang, that’s nasty! Even we wouldn’t vote for someone who did that!”

    Yeah yeah, I get it, it’s a joke, haha very funny. Kentucky probably has maybe 1/50th the rate of cousin marriage/relationships of the Muslim world. But if you joke about Kentucky and inbreeding everyone chuckles. If you joke about Muslims and inbreeding half of your leftwing Facebook friends will delete you.

  49. @anon
    Interesting gallery: http://madamenoire.com/488938/celebrities-who-married-a-cousin/

    Verrrrry interesting.

    One quibble with the last entry on the list, which claims AA Milne’s son married his cousin, but there were no children.
    According to Wikipedia, Christopher Robin Milne married his mother’s brother’s daughter, and they had one daughter, who was born with severe cerebral palsy.

  50. @Anonymous
    I know I will raise a storm of abuse and indignation, but no Briton is ever financially ruined by medical bills.

    …no Briton is ever financially ruined by medical bills.

    Part of this is accounting. The US gives you money, then has the health care field take it away. In Britain, you don’t get the money in the first place; it is given directly to the health care field.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    But if you are poor, you won't have the cash in the beginning. My understanding is that the US spends a lot more on healthcare than the UK, but doesn't have proportionately better health outcomes. I gather the US is a better place for cancer treatment, but that's assuming you're entitled to it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
  51. @Escher
    He is being shielded by the police brotherhood. Cannot have a cop (no matter what color or religion) be held accountable for shooting a pleb.

    He is being shielded by the police brotherhood

    Which is infuriating. Our local force had a similar incident; it makes one sympathize with the critics.

  52. Somewhat off topic but Puerto Rico looks set to receive a direct hit from a Category 4 hurricane on Wednesday. If a glancing blow from Irma took out 25% of Puerto Rico’s bankrupt electric utility ‘Maria’ looks like it could send the rest of Puerto Rico back into the stone age.

    Before we accept any DACA dreamers we might want to consider how we are going to cope with a million or more Puerto Ricans abandoning their tropical isle and moving en masse to Orlando, Chicago and New York!

  53. The Left has always mocked rural white hillbillies as inbreds sleeping with their sisters and their cousins… but they’re strangely silent when Muslim Negroes actually do such things.

  54. @bomag

    ...no Briton is ever financially ruined by medical bills.
     
    Part of this is accounting. The US gives you money, then has the health care field take it away. In Britain, you don't get the money in the first place; it is given directly to the health care field.

    But if you are poor, you won’t have the cash in the beginning. My understanding is that the US spends a lot more on healthcare than the UK, but doesn’t have proportionately better health outcomes. I gather the US is a better place for cancer treatment, but that’s assuming you’re entitled to it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    • Replies: @bomag

    But if you are poor, you won’t have the cash in the beginning
     
    I suppose the poor get lower wages and benefits to help support the Medical Industrial Complex.

    the US spends a lot more on healthcare than the UK, but doesn’t have proportionately better health outcomes
     
    Indeed, but there are a couple caveats: we try to save sicker people; a lot of R & D upon which the rest of the world piggybacks gets rolled into our costs.

    Overall our health care system is a jobs program. We add lots of paper pushers and marginal services to keep people involved in the economy.
  55. So, where’s Omar’s brother? If he’s living in Minnesota, can’t both siblings be charged for incest?

  56. A lot of whining here. She is in the US because Bush II decided that the Somali Islamic Courts movement were evil doers and proceeded to blow Somalia apart. Late W age collapse? Part of the regime change program was refugee management, which brought Omar and her electorate to the USA. You could do a lot worse than Somalis.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    A lot of whining here. She is in the US because Bush II decided that the Somali Islamic Courts movement were evil doers and proceeded to blow Somalia apart.

    Somalia as a whole has been in an anarchic state since 1991, after the overthrow of Siad Barre. Bush II was in the baseball business at the time. A territorial government did reassemble in the former British portion during Bush II's term of office; it hasn't been 'blown apart'.
  57. Kurds in Minnesota, North Dakota rally for Kurdistan referendum

    http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/e081c3e3-b7ec-44a8-b6b5-43a2fe2851ed

    Invade the world, inbite the world: The community, living in Moorhead, Minnesota, and Fargo, North Dakota, mostly arrived after the 1991 Gulf War.

  58. @Guy de Champlagne
    Because every dumbass kool aid drinking conservative knows how awful Scandinavian countries are! It's not like they have literally the highest average standard of living of any countries on earth or anything.

    There's nothing wrong with that kind of socialism. And anyone that thinks the US is on the precipice of ruin because any leftward movement takes us to Bolshevism is a moron.

    I’ve been there (back before the major influx of the Moslems) It was not place for an ambitious man to live, as taxes were out the yingyang, and money was being redistributed to bums – I’ll agree that it’s not quite as much of a problem as it is when you already have dieversity. Here’s something I wrote in response to Ilana Mercer (under her post about the remnants of looter-gatherer society that exist in our inner cities):

    The problem we end up with always under any form of Socialism is the moral hazard. Those who have a tendency to be irresponsible but wouldn’t be due to worries about being dirt-poor, hungry, or dead will tend to do things very irresponsibly if that is encouraged by law. Those who are responsible by nature will continue to be even as a part of their lives (the lost years of labor taken away in taxes) are removed.

    What happens in the fairly long run, in terms of heredity? Well, the irresponsible ones, usually in conjunction with being the stupider ones (not always) will have more kids. That is to be expected, as there will be no big fear of a life of struggle, due to Big Brother Government (the smiley-faced side, presenting the loot that is the stolen portions of the lives of the American hard-working taxpayers) covering all losses. The responsible ones (usually the smart ones, too) will limit their procreation due to the big hit they take as much of their labor is stolen (the dour-faced side of Big Brother Government, representing the theft under threat of prison of portions of lives).

    Knowing what people on here know well about HBD and inheritance, what kind of people will we end up with more of, and what kind of people will become more scarce? Is this so hard to think about?

    Yeah, leftism HAS indeed been the ruin of the country, but there are always contributing factors. We’ve had more than our share – a significant chunk of existing “legacy-diversity”, if I may, and large influxes of immigration from folks that have no cultural background of liberty/rule-of-law.

  59. @Guy de Champlagne
    How mainstream is the idea of paying people off to leave? Either illegal immigrants who have lived in the US and we feel guilty about or full blown citizens?

    It's one of those things that seems incredibly obvious and important to me but never hear anyone bring up.

    Paying them to leave does not guarantee that they will stay gone. Pay me once; pay me twice it’s just a merry go round.

  60. @AnotherDad

    Those people believed Rush Limbaugh when he said that Western Europe had a lower standard of living than America.
     
    Which is in fact true by GDP per capita and even more so by GDP PPP/per capita.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IMF_ranked_countries_by_GDP


    Norway with the oil money has been a consistent outlier and Ireland has done very well of late because of corporate income reported there. And of course the small urbanized states do well.

    But generally the Nordics, the low countries and Germany have incomes maybe 15% less than the US, France and Britain more than 20% less. Mediterraneans lower. And this is with the US dragging around the blacks.

    The general rule of thumb is that whatever people--they have considerably higher incomes in the US. Anglos in the US versus England; Germans in the US versus Germany. Swedes in the US versus Swedens. Italians in the US versus Italy. And the worse your native country the bigger the boost--Mexicans in the US versus Mexico. And of course the huge winners from being in the US are the blacks, with well over an order of magnitude boost in income--even in PPP--by being in the US versus Africa.

    GDP, even GDP per capita, doesn’t capture the full picture when it comes to quality of life or even perceived prosperity.

  61. @Chris Mallory
    Kentucky has stronger laws against "family relations" than New York and Massachusetts. Both of those states allow first cousin marriage and sexual relations.

    I hear genealogical research is pretty simple in Kentucky

    wait for it …..

    because family trees don’t have very many branches. 😉

  62. @YetAnotherAnon
    But if you are poor, you won't have the cash in the beginning. My understanding is that the US spends a lot more on healthcare than the UK, but doesn't have proportionately better health outcomes. I gather the US is a better place for cancer treatment, but that's assuming you're entitled to it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

    But if you are poor, you won’t have the cash in the beginning

    I suppose the poor get lower wages and benefits to help support the Medical Industrial Complex.

    the US spends a lot more on healthcare than the UK, but doesn’t have proportionately better health outcomes

    Indeed, but there are a couple caveats: we try to save sicker people; a lot of R & D upon which the rest of the world piggybacks gets rolled into our costs.

    Overall our health care system is a jobs program. We add lots of paper pushers and marginal services to keep people involved in the economy.

  63. @Yak-15
    I disagree with your sentiment. We made a land of law and order. The alternative is St Louis writ large.

    @9 Yak-15: “I disagree with your sentiment. We made a land of law and order. The alternative is St Louis writ large.”

    What the Founders may have intended as a land of law and ordered liberty long ago morphed into the Managerial State. Thus while I can admire your principled stance in principle, in practice we have mere Anarcho-Tyranny. Vigilante justice would be an immense improvement. From Infogalactic:

    “Managerial state is a paleoconservative concept used in critiquing modern social democracy in Western countries. The term takes a pejorative context as a manifestation of Western decline. Theorists Samuel T. Francis and Paul Gottfried say this is an ongoing regime that remains in power, regardless of what political party holds a majority. Variations include therapeutic managerial state,[1] welfare-warfare state[2] or polite totalitarianism.[3]

    Francis, following James Burnham, said that under this historical process, “law is replaced by administrative decree, federalism is replaced by executive autocracy, and a limited government replaced by an unlimited state.”[4] It acts in the name of abstract goals, such as equality or positive rights, and uses its claim of moral superiority, power of taxation and wealth redistribution to keep itself in power.

    . . . Samuel Francis argued that the problems of managerial state extend to issues of crime and justice. In 1992, he introduced the word “anarcho-tyranny” into the paleocon vocabulary.[10] He once defined it this way: “we refuse to control real criminals (that’s the anarchy) so we control the innocent (that’s the tyranny).”[11] Francis argued that this situation extends across the U.S. and Europe. While the government functions normally, violent crime remains a constant, creating a climate of fear (anarchy). He says that “laws that are supposed to protect ordinary citizens against ordinary criminals” routinely go unenforced, even though the state is “perfectly capable” of doing so. While this problem rages on, government elites concentrate their interests on law-abiding citizens. In fact, Middle America winds up on the receiving end of both anarchy and tyranny.[10]”

    • Agree: BB753
  64. @Lot
    A good time to say again that we have essentially open immigration from Somalia. All they need to do is get inside the USA, legally or illegally, and they can get a work permit and be protected from deportation through TPS. The Secretary of Homeland Security decides what countries, if any, get on the list. Trump's open borders Gen Kelley not only betrayed his country and his people by not immediately taking Somalia, Sudan, El Salvador, etc off the list, he actually renewed Haiti, whose status was set to expire.

    For this, Trump promoted Kelley to chief of staff, who then rapidly purged Bannon and several of his allies.

    Trump's plan is to continue the rapid importation of African Muslims, with the two most likely replacements for Kelley being Rick Perry and Rep McCaul, both career advocates of replacing white Americans.

    Check out where McCaul is compared to other TX GOP Congressmen on the Numbers USA report card. There are 23 Republicans with better records and only 3 with worse records.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/tools/grades/list/0/CAREER/tx/A/Grade/Active

    Yes. Personnel is policy.

  65. @Mr. Anon
    I agree that the casual disregard of European countries expressed by parochial american conservatives - those with no familiarity of anything but their own country - is risible. Those people believed Rush Limbaugh when he said that Western Europe had a lower standard of living than America.

    And clearly, it isn't left-wing politics that, exclusively at least, makes some big cities hell-holes. Portland and San Francisco are not the same as Detroit and Baltimore. There's a reason for that.

    That said, I'm no fan of socialism generally. Opposing it isn't the most important thing to me, but I think it is generally a bad idea. Socialism itself hasn't destroyed britain or scandinavia. But it is possible that socialism led to, or at least significatnly contributed to, the societal enervation that now seems to be leading to the destruction of britain and scandinavia.

    Those people believed Rush Limbaugh when he said that Western Europe had a lower standard of living than America.

    Evidently, the World Bank belives Limbaugh too.

    Domestic product per capita (PPP) as a share of that of the United States:

    Luxembourg : 1.821
    Norway : 1.197
    Ireland : 1.179
    Switzerland : 1.062
    United States : 1.000
    Netherlands : 0.884
    Sweden : 0.871
    Denmark : 0.857
    Iceland : 0.849
    Austria : 0.828
    Germany : 0.827
    Belgium : 0.787
    Finland : 0.740
    United Kingdom : 0.730
    France : 0.714
    Malta : 0.670
    Italy : 0.649
    Spain : 0.624
    Czech Republic : 0.583
    Portugal : 0.506
    Greece : 0.455

    The position of Luxembourg and Ireland is in part attributable to their attractiveness as a locus for booking corporate earnings. The gross national income of Luxembourg is about 30% higher than that of the U.S. and that of Ireland is lower than that of the U.S.

  66. @Reg Cæsar

    Kentucky has stronger laws against “family relations” than New York and Massachusetts. Both of those states allow first cousin marriage and sexual relations.
     
    First-cousin marriage is legal almost everywhere in the world with the exception of about half the states here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#/media/File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg

    But hey, we can rejoice that Crackers and Yankees agree on something:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#/media/File:Cousin_marriage_map1.svg

    Even though objection to cousin marriage is traditionally a Catholic thing, it was the eugenics movement which spread the ban in the US. So the Papists and the Progressives agree on something as well!

    Even though objection to cousin marriage is traditionally a Catholic thing,

    That objection is to relations with relatives closer than the 7th degree, if I’m not mistaken, not to cousin marriage in toto. I think a 2d cousin-once-removed is permissible.

  67. @George
    A lot of whining here. She is in the US because Bush II decided that the Somali Islamic Courts movement were evil doers and proceeded to blow Somalia apart. Late W age collapse? Part of the regime change program was refugee management, which brought Omar and her electorate to the USA. You could do a lot worse than Somalis.

    A lot of whining here. She is in the US because Bush II decided that the Somali Islamic Courts movement were evil doers and proceeded to blow Somalia apart.

    Somalia as a whole has been in an anarchic state since 1991, after the overthrow of Siad Barre. Bush II was in the baseball business at the time. A territorial government did reassemble in the former British portion during Bush II’s term of office; it hasn’t been ‘blown apart’.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Somalia as a whole has been in an anarchic state since 1991, after the overthrow of Siad Barre. Bush II was in the baseball business at the time.
     
    Bush I should have introduced them to baseball.

    It didn't prevent Japan's imperialism, but helped calm them down afterwards.
  68. @AnotherDad

    Those people believed Rush Limbaugh when he said that Western Europe had a lower standard of living than America.
     
    Which is in fact true by GDP per capita and even more so by GDP PPP/per capita.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IMF_ranked_countries_by_GDP


    Norway with the oil money has been a consistent outlier and Ireland has done very well of late because of corporate income reported there. And of course the small urbanized states do well.

    But generally the Nordics, the low countries and Germany have incomes maybe 15% less than the US, France and Britain more than 20% less. Mediterraneans lower. And this is with the US dragging around the blacks.

    The general rule of thumb is that whatever people--they have considerably higher incomes in the US. Anglos in the US versus England; Germans in the US versus Germany. Swedes in the US versus Swedens. Italians in the US versus Italy. And the worse your native country the bigger the boost--Mexicans in the US versus Mexico. And of course the huge winners from being in the US are the blacks, with well over an order of magnitude boost in income--even in PPP--by being in the US versus Africa.

    When I go to the US, it doesn’t give the impression of being richer than Europe or OzNZ. It seems to vary alot from place to place. Half of Palo Alto is a ghetto, half a giant housing estate of McMansions. There is nothing rich about Detroit and Los Angeles looks like a shantytown as you drive through it. Other places reek of wealth.

    I have moved from Cyprus to Thessaloniki in Greece. People here have experienced a depression that makes the Great Depression look like a mild economic hiccup.

    By the cafes are full, the streets are safe and I have only seen one beggar in two weeks.

    We shop at the the Monday market. You can eat well for a week on 20 euros.

    A man spat in the street today. It was the first example of antisocial behaviour I have seen.

    Maybe Thessaloniki is atypical.

  69. @Mr. Anon
    I agree that the casual disregard of European countries expressed by parochial american conservatives - those with no familiarity of anything but their own country - is risible. Those people believed Rush Limbaugh when he said that Western Europe had a lower standard of living than America.

    And clearly, it isn't left-wing politics that, exclusively at least, makes some big cities hell-holes. Portland and San Francisco are not the same as Detroit and Baltimore. There's a reason for that.

    That said, I'm no fan of socialism generally. Opposing it isn't the most important thing to me, but I think it is generally a bad idea. Socialism itself hasn't destroyed britain or scandinavia. But it is possible that socialism led to, or at least significatnly contributed to, the societal enervation that now seems to be leading to the destruction of britain and scandinavia.

    You do know of the charter flights from Western Europe to the US for Christmas shopping, no? Are there any similar excursions from here to there? I’ll wait.

    Just go check out the offerings at IKEA. That is EU luxury in front of you. Like IKEA, well-off Europe is 5/8 as well-off as we are.

    Now if you want to go arguing fat people, or holiday time I’m with you, but straight household everyday goods no.

  70. @njguy73
    I was joking about how Kentucky has been linked with inbreeding in the popular mythology, albeit unfairly, and how this Somali-Minnesotan situation makes them look downright eugenic.

    Associating Kentucky with inbreeding is an offensive and ignorant stereotype.
    That’s West Virginia.

    • LOL: Bubba
  71. @Bubba
    It would be no surprise if the incestuous Ilhan Omar's 'cultural husband' (or as Michelle Obama would say, "My babies' daddy!") is actually her half-brother.

    She’s clearly guilty or breaking some law, and ought to be charged with it. Either she smuggled in her Baby-Daddy as a blood-relative when he wasn’t, or um, yeeccccch.

    BTW, here’s a pretty blunt depiction of how the baby-daddy scam actually works:

    • Replies: @wrd9
    A Refugee Family Reunification program was suspended in 2008 because of the extremely high rate of fraud. The US conducted DNA testing and found that less than 20% were related.

    https://2001-2009.state.gov/g/prm/refadm/rls/fs/2008/112760.htm
    , @Bubba
    "Yeeccch" sums it up very well! LOL! It's insane that we import societal dysfunction like these goat-herding Somali clans. After all, we've spent in excess of $20 trillion on "The Great Society" & Affirmative Action for the past 50 years and all we've gotten in return are mindless rap videos, riots and an insurmountable national debt that cannot be paid off. BTW - thanks for the video! It reminds me of this EBT rap video a few years back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII
  72. Matrimony was once a sacrament. Marriage is morphing into a personal finance tool. Choosing to check the MFJ or Single box will effect income taxes, FICA taxes, Social Security benefits, estate taxes, gift taxes, Medicare premiums. It determines eligibility for EITC, food stamps, Medicaid benefits, free school lunches, utility assistance, section 8 housing, and TANF. It determines benefits for ObamaCare and free cell phones.
    As a finance tool it is destroying families.

  73. @Rosamond Vincy
    She's clearly guilty or breaking some law, and ought to be charged with it. Either she smuggled in her Baby-Daddy as a blood-relative when he wasn't, or um, yeeccccch.

    BTW, here's a pretty blunt depiction of how the baby-daddy scam actually works:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfhsXlNf4XI

    A Refugee Family Reunification program was suspended in 2008 because of the extremely high rate of fraud. The US conducted DNA testing and found that less than 20% were related.

    https://2001-2009.state.gov/g/prm/refadm/rls/fs/2008/112760.htm

    • Replies: @Bubba
    This should have been all over the media, but it's the first time I read something about it. Thank you. And I can imagine the faux outrage if DNA testing were applied to prove DACA "families."
  74. @Rosamond Vincy
    She's clearly guilty or breaking some law, and ought to be charged with it. Either she smuggled in her Baby-Daddy as a blood-relative when he wasn't, or um, yeeccccch.

    BTW, here's a pretty blunt depiction of how the baby-daddy scam actually works:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfhsXlNf4XI

    “Yeeccch” sums it up very well! LOL! It’s insane that we import societal dysfunction like these goat-herding Somali clans. After all, we’ve spent in excess of $20 trillion on “The Great Society” & Affirmative Action for the past 50 years and all we’ve gotten in return are mindless rap videos, riots and an insurmountable national debt that cannot be paid off. BTW – thanks for the video! It reminds me of this EBT rap video a few years back.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Brilliant. Even Wayans-worthy.
  75. @wrd9
    A Refugee Family Reunification program was suspended in 2008 because of the extremely high rate of fraud. The US conducted DNA testing and found that less than 20% were related.

    https://2001-2009.state.gov/g/prm/refadm/rls/fs/2008/112760.htm

    This should have been all over the media, but it’s the first time I read something about it. Thank you. And I can imagine the faux outrage if DNA testing were applied to prove DACA “families.”

  76. Marines, Seals, Delta, you name it love to think that they are the “tip of the spear”. Well these Somali’s are the tip of the spear penetrating the soul and heading straight for the heart of the homeland. Meanwhile our “tip of the spear” is busy driving these people out of their own countries with perpetual wars and drone strikes while busily patting themselves on the back “for their service”.

  77. @Art Deco
    A lot of whining here. She is in the US because Bush II decided that the Somali Islamic Courts movement were evil doers and proceeded to blow Somalia apart.

    Somalia as a whole has been in an anarchic state since 1991, after the overthrow of Siad Barre. Bush II was in the baseball business at the time. A territorial government did reassemble in the former British portion during Bush II's term of office; it hasn't been 'blown apart'.

    Somalia as a whole has been in an anarchic state since 1991, after the overthrow of Siad Barre. Bush II was in the baseball business at the time.

    Bush I should have introduced them to baseball.

    It didn’t prevent Japan’s imperialism, but helped calm them down afterwards.

  78. @Bubba
    "Yeeccch" sums it up very well! LOL! It's insane that we import societal dysfunction like these goat-herding Somali clans. After all, we've spent in excess of $20 trillion on "The Great Society" & Affirmative Action for the past 50 years and all we've gotten in return are mindless rap videos, riots and an insurmountable national debt that cannot be paid off. BTW - thanks for the video! It reminds me of this EBT rap video a few years back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII

    Brilliant. Even Wayans-worthy.

  79. @res
    Check this out: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4737564/Justine-Damond-U-S-Mohamed-Noor-never-face-charges.html
    As bad as lynching was it is very easy to understand how it could have happened in some cases.
    What a travesty of justice it will be if he can't even be charged so the evidence can be evaluated in court under oath. Even most of the BS cases (e.g. St. Trayvon, the gentle giant, Freddie Gray) made it to court.

    The Brits at The Mail misunderstand Garrity. All that Garrity means is that the particular statements provided in an internal investigation can not be used during courtroom proceedings. It is NOT a bar to evidence-gathering through other venues. Civil and criminal prosecutors are free to duplicate the same interrogation/deposition process to gather the same statements he provided during the IA investigation. Under Garrity, however, the IA statements may not be compared to any other statements given.

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