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There aren’t all that many Pacific Islanders in Southern California, but a sizable fraction of them play high school football because they are so huge. It’s becoming traditional for some high school football teams in the L.A. area to do the haka Maori war dance from New Zealand. Above is a short video of the Knights of my old high school, Sherman Oaks Notre Dame, doing the haka.
Still, as a solidarity building exercise for male teams, the haka looks like weak tea compared to the Chechen Sufi zikr (or dhikr):
This two-minute clip comes from a video two-hours in length.
The haka is outward-looking and show-offy to intimidate the other team. The dhikr is inward-looking, and that just makes it scarier if you aren’t part of the circle. The part where the circle seemingly spontaneously speeds up (around 0:57) is alarmingly exciting.
If you read accounts by the War Nerd or Wikipedia of Chechen-Russian battles in the 1990s or Chechen raids on Russia in the 2000s, well, Chechen raiding party solidarity is serious stuff. Chechen warriors fought their way out of some unbelievably dire situations.
I found the following 2006 NYT article explaining this Chechen dance, and sure enough the revival of the zikr is being sponsored by … Ramzan Kadyrov:
GROZNY JOURNAL
A Whirling Sufi Revival With Unclear ImplicationsBy C. J. CHIVERS
Published: May 24, 2006GROZNY, Russia — Three circles of barefoot men, one ring inside another, sway to the cadence of chant.
The men stamp in time as they sway, and grunt from the abdomen and throat, filling the room with a primal sound. One voice rises over the rest, singing variants of the names of God.
The men stop, face right and walk counterclockwise, slowly at first, then fast. As they gain speed they begin to hop on their outside feet and draw closer. The three circles merge into a spinning ball.
The ball stops. It opens back up. The stamping resumes, softly at first, then louder. Many of the men are entranced. The air around them hums. The wooden floor shakes. The men turn left and accelerate the other way.
This is a zikr, the mystical Sufi dance of the Caucasus and a ritual near the center of Chechen Islam.
This Chechen Sufi dance is reminiscent of the famous Sufi whirling dervish dancers of Turkey, but the latter is more individualistic and ethereal.
Here inside Chechnya, where Russia has spent six years trying to contain the second Chechen war since the Soviet Union collapsed, traditional forms of religious expression are returning to public life. It is a revival laden with meaning, and with implications that are unclear. …
But Chechnya’s Sufi brotherhoods have never been vanquished — not by repression, bans or exile by the czars or Stalin, and not by the Kremlin of late.
Now they are reclaiming a place in public life. What makes the resurgence so unusual is that Sufi practices have become an element of policy for pro-Russian Chechens. Zikr ceremonies are embraced by the kadyrovsky, the Kremlin-backed Chechen force that is assuming much of the administration of this shattered land.
Post-Soviet Russia tried to make zikr celebrations a symbol of Chechen aggression, portraying zikr as the dance and trance of the rebels, the ritual of the untamed. Now zikr is performed by the men the Kremlin is counting on to keep Chechnya in check.
The occasion for ceremony on this day was the blessing of the foundation of a mosque that will be named for Akhmad Kadyrov, the Russian-backed Chechen president who was assassinated in 2004. …
The Sufis resisted the influx of Wahhabis who came to fight Russia beside them, but whose version of Islam aligned more closely with that of the Afghan Taliban.
Mr. Kadyrov said in an interview that he hoped to help restore Chechen Sufi traditions as part of an effort to preserve Chechen culture. …
Whether Mr. Kadyrov can control the forces he taps into is unknown. The zikrists dance on this day with state approval. But for whom?
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those dirty Chechens wouldn’t last on a dance floor with me back in my college slam dancing days. Their center of gravity was too high. If someone threw on Nirvana’s In Bloom I could’ve cleared out that mosque in 10 minutes tops.
The first time I ever saw the Haka, all I could think was, ‘This is it? This is that big deal of a dance all the warrior guys are supposed to do? My God, it’s so lame.”
Anyway, both those videos are surpassed by this one:
The origins of chechen zhikr seem more pagan than islamic, and probably similar to what various ancient steppe tribes and ancient mountain tribes did before conversion to islam/christianity.
The Persians have their Zurkaneh or Houses of Power that go back to 132 B.C. We certainly could use something like that here.
Anyway, both those videos are surpassed by this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzA8KXW3WIReplies: @matt
I like the Bad Brains as much as anybody, but I don’t think those kids would fare very well against Russian tanks.
Given that the Sufis are sort of the hippies of Islam, the origins of Chechens’ warrior culture maybe predate Islam too.
But some Naqshibandis in Iraq have hooked up with Islamic State.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_the_Men_of_the_Naqshbandi_Order
There is no overriding clerical structure keeping them in line. They do what they want.
I’d vote for the zkir for solidarity. Doing that sort of practice on a regular basis builds a strong common bond. A society that dances together stays and fights together.
However the Russians are playing with dynamite allowing it. Sufism isn’t some New Age thing, it’s Islam on over drive. Just go read the Alchemy of Happiness by Al Ghazzali. Jihad is part and parcel of being a Sufi.
And that’s something the secular West lacks, no community glue for the whites, since it stripped out it’s cultural past to become a collection of atomized consumers and docile cube drones. Getting whites together for anything outside of watching big, sweaty blacks play with a ball is like herding cats.
Men used to have the church and fraternal orders like the Elks, Rotary, Moose, Masons. But those are the province of men from another era.
If Putin wanted to nuke Chechens out of existence he could. And likely would. Chechens by their nature cant build nukes. Too busy being Chechens.Replies: @Anonymous, @The Anti-Gnostic, @rod1963
Yes, they do predate Islam. Many of the practices come out of Central Asia when they were still nomads. The Alevis of Turkey also have similar shamanistic dances that are really ancient.
The Persians have their Zurkaneh or Houses of Power that go back to 132 B.C. We certainly could use something like that here.
Also, I like your handle. When I was in college, one of my apartment mates was 5’4″ Italian body builder. I called him the Interesting Hulk.
Being US football, I was expecting a Samoan wardance, but no it is a Maori haka albeit a sped up one.
This is the over-commercialized Te Rauparaha version as used by the All Blacks.
It reminded of me of those frenetic US high school marching bands, which is one US tradition which thankfully hasn’t spread, yet.
Experiencing a moving heart-felt tribal haka such as at a funeral is another thing entirely.
Here is the NZ All Blacks doing their Haka against England. I don’t follow rugby, but I wonder why England or any other opponent stand there and watch those guys do that. I think it would be cool if the other team left the field or turned their backs during the haka.
Given that the All Blacks are usually more than half white, it's hard to take it seriously, though its politically incorrect not to imbue it with some wonderful, mystical meaning.
And, Steve, to clarify - the haka is not an exclusively Maori or NZ thing. Other Pacific island nations do their own pre-game versions of a haka.
A less saccharine version.
As the commenter says:
“If I had to take hell, I would use the Australians to take it and the New Zealanders to hold it.” -Erwin Rommel.
However the Russians are playing with dynamite allowing it. Sufism isn't some New Age thing, it's Islam on over drive. Just go read the Alchemy of Happiness by Al Ghazzali. Jihad is part and parcel of being a Sufi.
And that's something the secular West lacks, no community glue for the whites, since it stripped out it's cultural past to become a collection of atomized consumers and docile cube drones. Getting whites together for anything outside of watching big, sweaty blacks play with a ball is like herding cats.
Men used to have the church and fraternal orders like the Elks, Rotary, Moose, Masons. But those are the province of men from another era.Replies: @Whiskey, @War for Blair Mountain, @NOTA
Yes but the flip side of the West is that it takes a strong state, thus atomized individuals, to create nukes. Sufi dances and Checheny fights are one thing. A nuke missile coming in from the outer reaches of the atmosphere is another.
If Putin wanted to nuke Chechens out of existence he could. And likely would. Chechens by their nature cant build nukes. Too busy being Chechens.
That must be why anti-sufi ISIS, AlQaeda, Saudis have missiles and nukes, and Pakistan does not, and Jews et al. endlessly and ceaselessly are kvetching about Iran's nuclear program.Replies: @random observer
Seeing this video, I think the lessons are,
1. We cannot let Chechens in our country.
2. We need to be more like them.Replies: @Cagey Beast
As for Putin and Russia, they've turned their back on the modern Western society that you find so attractive. They've seen the end result and it's not pretty.
Here in the U.S. this atomization has made whites easy prey for minorities and SJW's because they can't stick or work together worth a s**t. They have no political voice, no community solidarity, nothing. We don't even have the Boy Scouts anymore. It's no wonder blacks prey on us because we won't do squat and why the GOP just spits in our face and the ACLU can ram c**p down our collective gullets.
Atomization is only good for the ruling class, not for the people that are atomized.
And consider this, the government, academia and the MSM have fought whites tooth and nail whenever there was a attempt to build a European only type club or gathering.
They'll let the Mexicans have Mecha, Atzlan and La Raza. The blacks NOI and it's spin offs. But the whites have nothing.Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
I turned the Haka off because I don’t like men who dance. Gay gay gay
The Chechen Dance…that was hot
I like these people (when they are no where near me!!!)
If Putin wanted to nuke Chechens out of existence he could. And likely would. Chechens by their nature cant build nukes. Too busy being Chechens.Replies: @Anonymous, @The Anti-Gnostic, @rod1963
> Yes but the flip side of the West is that it takes a strong state, thus atomized individuals, to create nukes.
That must be why anti-sufi ISIS, AlQaeda, Saudis have missiles and nukes, and Pakistan does not, and Jews et al. endlessly and ceaselessly are kvetching about Iran’s nuclear program.
The Saudis ARE a tribe that has developed a state around themselves, so ditto. On the other hand, they did develop that state and now field regular armed forces, so that only reinforced the original point. More state, better weaponry.
The Pakistanis have missiles and nukes, sure. Worth noting the Saudis paid for a lot of that. Worth also noting that as the Islamic world goes, Pakistan is one of the LESS tribalized societies, at least as far as the Punjabi core of the state goes, and one of the more organized states ditto.
Iran has likely the closest thing to a modern society in the entire Islamic world, and the ruling structures that most resemble a modern state. ARE a modern state, for practical purposes. And fairly atomized society, both in the "positive" way that reinforces allegiance to a larger state identity and culture and generates desire for cultural experience [at least in cities], and the negative way that follows the West down the path of cultural suicide. Guess that's why they can develop advanced engineering programs and nuclear kit.
Sufis vary a lot. Some are peaceful.
But some Naqshibandis in Iraq have hooked up with Islamic State.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_the_Men_of_the_Naqshbandi_Order
There is no overriding clerical structure keeping them in line. They do what they want.
Have a scout around YouTube – there are a few videos of teams doing just that, confronting the haka in a pretty in-your-face way. And some players don’t buy into it, and go about their personal warm-ups while the haka is going on.
Given that the All Blacks are usually more than half white, it’s hard to take it seriously, though its politically incorrect not to imbue it with some wonderful, mystical meaning.
And, Steve, to clarify – the haka is not an exclusively Maori or NZ thing. Other Pacific island nations do their own pre-game versions of a haka.
Both of those have been done. Some typical whingeing poms have even whinged about the All Blacks having the haka being unfair. Australian crowds have tried to drown it out by singing Waltzing Matilda. Australia and other teams have even taken to not using the term ‘All Blacks’ because it carries to many associations of dominance and superiority.
A few Maoris are converting to Islam.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Māori_Muslims
They even have a vocal Islamic State supporter.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11352299
A haka is really a style of dance rather than a particular dance. Every highschool rugby team has their own one.
The recent All Blacks do it quite well, past teams, not so much.
Since muslims and the crusades were recently discussed here, and not so recently there was that kerfluffle over the unPC Redskins team name. Here is the pregame spectacle for NZs most succeful super rugby franchise, the Cantebury Crusaders: http://vimeo.com/3898427
If you can’t be bothered watching, it’s some knights on horseback emblazoned with Christian crosses accompanied by some rousing music by Vangelis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV2eo9w3Xlw#t=423
My main take away from this Chechen dancing video is that Chechen girls are pretty hot. And Tsarnaev sure is getting a lot of love despite being a child murderer. Perhaps the Chechens should consider getting out of the international terrorism business and into the international modeling business.
Not a good idea to be caught by the Maoris if you were a South Seas missionary:
“Calm light airs from the north all day on the 23rd November hindered us from putting out to sea as intended. In the afternoon, some of the officers went on shore to amuse themselves among the natives, where they saw the head and bowels of a youth, who had been lately killed, lying on the beach, and the heart stuck on a forked stick which was fixed on the head of one of the largest canoes. One of the gentlemen bought the head and brought it on board, where a piece of the flesh was broiled and eaten by one of the natives, before all the officers and most of the men. I was on shore at this time, but soon after returning on board was informed of the above circumstances, and found the quarter-deck crowded with the natives, and the mangled head, or rather part of it (for the under-jaw and lips were wanting), lying on the taffrail. The skull had been broken on the left side, just above the temples, and the remains of the face had all the appearance of a youth under twenty.”
– Captain Cook
Prisoners taken in the fight were slain in cold blood, except those reserved for slavery – a mark of still greater contempt than being killed for food. Sometimes after the battle a few of the defeated were thrust alive into large food-baskets and thus degraded for ever. As a general rule, however, they were slain for the oven.
In days near our own it is recorded that a chief named Wherowhero ordered 250 prisoners of the Taranaki people to be brought to him for slaughter. He sat on the ground and the prisoners were brought to him one by one to receive the blow of the chief’s mere – a weapon till lately in the possession his son, the late Maori ‘King.’ After he had killed the greater number of them he said, ‘I am tired. Let the rest live.’ So the remainder passed into slavery.
A Maori relating an account of an expedition said, incidentally: ‘On the way I was speaking to a red-haired girl who had just been caught out in the open. We were then on the eastern side of Maunga Whau, Auckland. My companions remained with the girl whilst I went to see the man of Waikato who had been killed. As we came back, I saw the head of the red-haired girl lying in the ferns by the side of the track. Further on, we overtook one of the Waihou men carrying a back-load of the flesh, which he was taking to our camp to cook for food. The arms of the girl were round his neck, whilst the body was on his back.’ If one can mentally picture the scene, with the man striding along, carrying the headless, disembowelled trunk of the naked girl, enough of this kind of horror will have been evoked…
Edward Tregear, The Maori Race, New Zealand, 1904
Eh, the Maori were eating people two hundred years ago.
Check this video of Maori soldiers sending off fallen comrades.
an interesting article from New Zealand about Maori and Islam. New Zealand’s official bi-culturalism (Maori and European) will come under increasing pressure as NZ becomes more diverse (Auckland is already on the verge of Toronto style hyper diversity, although chiefly Chinese, Indian and Polynesian).http://www.nzherald.co.nz/religion-and-beliefs/news/article.cfm?c_id=301&objectid=11392913
Nuke it from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
Buvaisar Satiev, Chechen and arguably greatest wrestler of all time:
If Putin wanted to nuke Chechens out of existence he could. And likely would. Chechens by their nature cant build nukes. Too busy being Chechens.Replies: @Anonymous, @The Anti-Gnostic, @rod1963
Nukes are strong, but tribal energies are stronger. White Americans have more nukes than anybody and can’t stop their own ethnic and cultural displacement. In fact, isn’t that how it goes for all the nuclear powers?
Seeing this video, I think the lessons are,
1. We cannot let Chechens in our country.
2. We need to be more like them.
The Chechen Dance...that was hot
I like these people (when they are no where near me!!!)Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
If the men don’t dance, the gays will.
1. I love that it only took two posts to get to Bad Brains. lolz. Yeah, the first five second segment of that Chechen dance ritual looked like a circle pit that wouldn’t have been out of place at a SLAYER show circa 1990. (Minus the random elbows and fists.)
2.
No kidding. Chechen Katie Holmes in the blue skirt…. her hip/waist ratio is just….. YOWZA!
South African rugby follower here, It would be absolutely uncool to turn their backs during the haka. Actually if such a thing would be done in a test match, it would be a big scandal and possibly spark a crises in international rugby. Most non Pacific island players like the tradition of the haka (and the other variants) and they would never turn their back, for those that don’t giving a hostile glare while they are doing the haka is better than turning your back, its a great taboo.
I’ve noticed other sorts of public performance bits used by high school football teams lately. My guess is they see this on TV and adapt it to their own tastes. Thus the cultural appropriation is complete.
What I don’t quite get is why this is becoming a thing. Back in the Bronze Age when I played football, team building was done in the weight room in winter and summer practice. The coaches used it to both weed out the weak, but also build camaraderie. Spending two hours every winter morning lifting weights with your teammates makes you close like brothers.
I would assume they still make the kids lift in the off-season and they have to have summer practice so I’m at a lose as to why they would do this. It seems to have replaced stretching before games so maybe that’s it or it just another silly fad spread by social media. That’s always the default option, I guess.
That’s a Lezginka, a dance done throughout the Caucasus in many different forms. You’ll always see it at armenian weddings. The style is supposed to be smooth and flowing. The guys are imitating the flight of eagles, the gals gentler birds like doves. There’;s even a Russian ballroom dance version that became popular after the Russian conquests of the region.
However the Russians are playing with dynamite allowing it. Sufism isn't some New Age thing, it's Islam on over drive. Just go read the Alchemy of Happiness by Al Ghazzali. Jihad is part and parcel of being a Sufi.
And that's something the secular West lacks, no community glue for the whites, since it stripped out it's cultural past to become a collection of atomized consumers and docile cube drones. Getting whites together for anything outside of watching big, sweaty blacks play with a ball is like herding cats.
Men used to have the church and fraternal orders like the Elks, Rotary, Moose, Masons. But those are the province of men from another era.Replies: @Whiskey, @War for Blair Mountain, @NOTA
“Community” glue for White Males=Superbowl Parties…quite possibly we are doomed…
It rather sickens me to see a bunch of otherwise intelligent white guys get all excited over a bunch of big, black sweaty guys with a football. Makes me wonder if a lot of them are closet homos or are so lacking in masculinity that that's the only thing that they consider manly.
The scary thing is you couldn't get such a gathering of white males together in any other circumstance outside of pro-sports. This is why the SJWs and the Left can run roughshod over whites. We don't do community, we don't do tribal, we don't don't co-ordinate, we don't stick together. We're like solitary wildebeests waiting to be picked off by a bunch of pygmies.
That's not a survival strategy, it's a strategy for suicide.
If you look at groups that are successful, it's the ones who didn't fully embrace modern Western society. They may have used it, but were never part of it. Jews(both religious and non-religious)Gypsies, Irish Travelers, Mennonites, etc.
I would love to see something like the Persian Houses of Strength be set up here, we already have a template with the YMCA for young men and for community building or even a rebirth of the old fraternal orders.
The Haka is in waltz time. 3/4
The Dhikr is in 2/4.
The Brubek is in 5/4 and much harder to dance to
It was often said that those warriors would only Take Five minutes to get airborne.
In a real war, if I needed some tribal people on my side, I’d pick Navajo Code Talkers.
This Chechen thing looks and sounds American Indian to me, but more compact. Kind of a NASCAR track version.
2.No kidding. Chechen Katie Holmes in the blue skirt.... her hip/waist ratio is just..... YOWZA!Replies: @AlexT
The girl with the nice hip/waist ratio is Tamila Eldarkhanova. Her family is wealthy and connected, and she’s become a bit of a sensation for her dances at weddings and feast .
The Dhikr is in 2/4.
The Brubek is in 5/4 and much harder to dance toReplies: @Buzz Mohawk, @jimB, @Jeff Albertson
The Brubeck, coming from the Cold War period, was good for building solidarity among American nuclear warriors. It could sometimes be heard in the background where B-52 crews were on standby.
It was often said that those warriors would only Take Five minutes to get airborne.
Isn’t that true for all fierce white tribes? All those hot women you see on ads for Russian brides are from tribal areas. And nearly all the woman-on-man spousal abuse stories I’ve read in US papers for the past twenty years feature some dumpy middle age milquetoast having the crap kicked out of him by his twenty-something Russian bride. Another example are the Scandanavians. Their genetic code dates back to Vikings when they raided Europes coastline all the way down to Italy seizing only the best looking women. They also left their genes in Ireland which is why Irish women are undoubtedly the best looking ethny in the US.
Unfortunately for the Scandanavians the pussy gene crept into their DNA.
The Dhikr is in 2/4.
The Brubek is in 5/4 and much harder to dance toReplies: @Buzz Mohawk, @jimB, @Jeff Albertson
Classical pianists beat three against two all the time. Any decent choreographer could figure out how to get the Haka and the Dhikr onto the same stage.
Rank savagery, all of it. Compare it to Edwardians doing a waltz.
Romanticizing savages is the ur-disease of the West. It undergirds everything else that’s self-destructive about the Western mind.
I blame Rousseau.
None of this is as scary as the tribal dances of the american men .
The Dhikr is in 2/4.
The Brubek is in 5/4 and much harder to dance toReplies: @Buzz Mohawk, @jimB, @Jeff Albertson
I’m going to dig out my old beret and bongos and give it another try! (you made my day, daddyo)
Seeing this video, I think the lessons are,
1. We cannot let Chechens in our country.
2. We need to be more like them.Replies: @Cagey Beast
It’s going to take a lot of dancing to get us Anglosphericals to have a quarter of the group solidarity Chechens or Russians seem to have. The Chechen In The Grey Flannel Suit is a book yet to be written.
Borges mentions “a very fine Norse and – strangely enough – Irish metaphor about the battle. It calls the battle ‘the web of men.’ The word ‘web’ is really wonderful here, for in the idea of a web we get the pattern of a medieval battle: we have the swords, the shields, the crossing of the weapons. Also, there is the nightmare touch of a web being made of living beings. ‘A web of men’: a web of men who are dying and killing each other… ‘web of men’ has something terrible, something awful about it.”
I love Sufi music and dance. If I became Muslim, that’s definitely the branch of Islam I’d go for. What the Chechens are doing there is similar to the janissary dances, especially with the chanting and circular movement. Mozart’s “Turkish March” was inspired by a janissary military band.
I used to date an Iraqi dancer, and she suggested I go to this place where guys played the tambok, and it turned out to be this Sufi hangout where the guys would smoke hookahs and just enjoy the drumming and chanting. I really enjoyed it.
Romanticizing savages is the ur-disease of the West. It undergirds everything else that's self-destructive about the Western mind.
I blame Rousseau.Replies: @iSteveFan
I agree. I’ll take a rousing rendition of Rule Britannia any day of the week. Especially the ones where there is a large, rowdy, patriotic chorus.
Siaynoq
However the Russians are playing with dynamite allowing it. Sufism isn't some New Age thing, it's Islam on over drive. Just go read the Alchemy of Happiness by Al Ghazzali. Jihad is part and parcel of being a Sufi.
And that's something the secular West lacks, no community glue for the whites, since it stripped out it's cultural past to become a collection of atomized consumers and docile cube drones. Getting whites together for anything outside of watching big, sweaty blacks play with a ball is like herding cats.
Men used to have the church and fraternal orders like the Elks, Rotary, Moose, Masons. But those are the province of men from another era.Replies: @Whiskey, @War for Blair Mountain, @NOTA
Yeah, if only there were still churches, lodges, scouting organizations, etc. still in existence, you could still find ways to connect with like-minded neighbors about something other than what was on tv last night.
Christianity has become a religion run by pimps in America.
I am not sure why this makes me think of the flamengo or bull fighting
Yeah, sure, going to church where the pastor harangues us in front of our wives implying he’s the most righteous, manly man in the room and we’re all a bunch of losers sounds so awesome.
Christianity has become a religion run by pimps in America.
A good complement to this post is William McNeill’s Keeping Together in Time.
I just came across something about sadhus, Indian mystics. Actually they are the modern descendants of mercenary soldiers. The tridents and other mock weapons they carry are symbols of the real weapons of the past. They have a very violent, nationistic core. I wonder if the same isn’t true of sufis. Did they start out as warriors?
shouldn’t they be more inclusive? what bout LBGT folks?
not so much hot… as… acting like women – wearing feminine dresses, long hair, feminine demeanor, you know, thing american women don’t do….
The traditional All Black rugby haka is a bit weak compared to the jazzed up kapa o pango version, especially when led by the predator lookalike former All Black captain, Tana Umaga: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7plPUu3Qv10
the high school kids are doing it to the crowd- it’s supposed to be done to the other team..but it seems sugar coated. the chennen thing is Jungian.. primeval…
If Putin wanted to nuke Chechens out of existence he could. And likely would. Chechens by their nature cant build nukes. Too busy being Chechens.Replies: @Anonymous, @The Anti-Gnostic, @rod1963
And that state and the elites who control it has turned against whites, a fat lot of good those nukes have done for us.
As for Putin and Russia, they’ve turned their back on the modern Western society that you find so attractive. They’ve seen the end result and it’s not pretty.
Here in the U.S. this atomization has made whites easy prey for minorities and SJW’s because they can’t stick or work together worth a s**t. They have no political voice, no community solidarity, nothing. We don’t even have the Boy Scouts anymore. It’s no wonder blacks prey on us because we won’t do squat and why the GOP just spits in our face and the ACLU can ram c**p down our collective gullets.
Atomization is only good for the ruling class, not for the people that are atomized.
And consider this, the government, academia and the MSM have fought whites tooth and nail whenever there was a attempt to build a European only type club or gathering.
They’ll let the Mexicans have Mecha, Atzlan and La Raza. The blacks NOI and it’s spin offs. But the whites have nothing.
Russians actually had a pretty positive opinion of the West in the polls before the Crimea thing and then it collapsed. The sudden change in attitudes is also extremely obvious if you have regular dealings with Russians from Russia like many of us here where we can see Russia.
They're still less religious, less traditional and less patriotic than we are which you can see in the even emptier churches and all. Not much has actually changed in Russia, they just got upset at the West and unleashed a propaganda storm.
I have to agree.
It rather sickens me to see a bunch of otherwise intelligent white guys get all excited over a bunch of big, black sweaty guys with a football. Makes me wonder if a lot of them are closet homos or are so lacking in masculinity that that’s the only thing that they consider manly.
The scary thing is you couldn’t get such a gathering of white males together in any other circumstance outside of pro-sports. This is why the SJWs and the Left can run roughshod over whites. We don’t do community, we don’t do tribal, we don’t don’t co-ordinate, we don’t stick together. We’re like solitary wildebeests waiting to be picked off by a bunch of pygmies.
That’s not a survival strategy, it’s a strategy for suicide.
If you look at groups that are successful, it’s the ones who didn’t fully embrace modern Western society. They may have used it, but were never part of it. Jews(both religious and non-religious)Gypsies, Irish Travelers, Mennonites, etc.
I would love to see something like the Persian Houses of Strength be set up here, we already have a template with the YMCA for young men and for community building or even a rebirth of the old fraternal orders.
Not directly on point, but I can’t believe no one has posted this yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHbEjMJ80yo
(The fact that this commercial is Ukrainian just, uh, makes it kind of meta.)
Hmmm… beautiful, feminine, wealthy and connected. I was trying to figure out why the other women seemed to be staring green daggers of 24 karat envy. Now it all makes sense.
As for Putin and Russia, they've turned their back on the modern Western society that you find so attractive. They've seen the end result and it's not pretty.
Here in the U.S. this atomization has made whites easy prey for minorities and SJW's because they can't stick or work together worth a s**t. They have no political voice, no community solidarity, nothing. We don't even have the Boy Scouts anymore. It's no wonder blacks prey on us because we won't do squat and why the GOP just spits in our face and the ACLU can ram c**p down our collective gullets.
Atomization is only good for the ruling class, not for the people that are atomized.
And consider this, the government, academia and the MSM have fought whites tooth and nail whenever there was a attempt to build a European only type club or gathering.
They'll let the Mexicans have Mecha, Atzlan and La Raza. The blacks NOI and it's spin offs. But the whites have nothing.Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
“As for Putin and Russia, they’ve turned their back on the modern Western society that you find so attractive. They’ve seen the end result and it’s not pretty.”
Russians actually had a pretty positive opinion of the West in the polls before the Crimea thing and then it collapsed. The sudden change in attitudes is also extremely obvious if you have regular dealings with Russians from Russia like many of us here where we can see Russia.
They’re still less religious, less traditional and less patriotic than we are which you can see in the even emptier churches and all. Not much has actually changed in Russia, they just got upset at the West and unleashed a propaganda storm.
Yeah, what does the bride say about hiring a classy traditional dancer to be a center of attention at her wedding?
The Chechens are urMuslim, yet they have wedding celebrations that include men and women dancing together and watching each other. This is bizarre.
Orthodox Jews and Arab Muslims would never permit coed dancing. Hell, Orthodox Jews in Israel deface bus advertising showing females and refuse to attend public celebrations if there are (for example) tween girls singing the Israeli national anthem.
So how did Chechens get so Westernized, so un-paranoid about feminine charms? Or (perhaps more to the point) when did female movement, female hair, and the female voice become anathema to Arabs and Jews?
They wear blue jeans, drink whiskey, dance at niteclubs, listen to rock and roll, wear bikinis, eat at MacDonalds, gamble, drag race, send their daughters to college and medical school, listen to hip-hop, and wear makeup and miniskirts.
What exactly have they “turned their back agsinst”? Are we even speaking about the same country?
Here’s a strange video of an Islamic preacher arriving at Birmingham airport in the UK and being escorted by the police while people in the airport – his followers I presume – engage in some sort of rhythmic ritualistic chant:
Orthodox Jews and Arab Muslims would never permit coed dancing. Hell, Orthodox Jews in Israel deface bus advertising showing females and refuse to attend public celebrations if there are (for example) tween girls singing the Israeli national anthem.
So how did Chechens get so Westernized, so un-paranoid about feminine charms? Or (perhaps more to the point) when did female movement, female hair, and the female voice become anathema to Arabs and Jews?Replies: @Hunsdon
Why do you assume that the Chechens have been Westernized? Islam is as monolithic as Christianity, and the Islamic veneer overlays many an ancient tribal lay. Maybe Islam is something the Chechens have adopted, as they have adopted the Russian language: an overlay, a refinement, a modification of their basically Chechen culture?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQGfDkuU42wReplies: @Steve Sailer
Wow. That’s the worst chant. A special ed class could come up with a better chant.
That must be why anti-sufi ISIS, AlQaeda, Saudis have missiles and nukes, and Pakistan does not, and Jews et al. endlessly and ceaselessly are kvetching about Iran's nuclear program.Replies: @random observer
They are certainly anti-Sufi, but ISIS and al-Qaida are also militant factions embedded in tribal alliances, not unlike Chechens of all stripes, so why should they have developed their own nukes any more than the Chechens?
The Saudis ARE a tribe that has developed a state around themselves, so ditto. On the other hand, they did develop that state and now field regular armed forces, so that only reinforced the original point. More state, better weaponry.
The Pakistanis have missiles and nukes, sure. Worth noting the Saudis paid for a lot of that. Worth also noting that as the Islamic world goes, Pakistan is one of the LESS tribalized societies, at least as far as the Punjabi core of the state goes, and one of the more organized states ditto.
Iran has likely the closest thing to a modern society in the entire Islamic world, and the ruling structures that most resemble a modern state. ARE a modern state, for practical purposes. And fairly atomized society, both in the “positive” way that reinforces allegiance to a larger state identity and culture and generates desire for cultural experience [at least in cities], and the negative way that follows the West down the path of cultural suicide. Guess that’s why they can develop advanced engineering programs and nuclear kit.