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From FoxLA.com:

LA City Council approves first step in replacing LAPD with community responders for non-violent calls

By Mary Stringini

LOS ANGELES – The Los Angeles City Council on Tuesday approved the first step in a plan to replace Los Angeles Police Department officers with community-based, unarmed emergency responders for non-violent calls for service. …

The motion instructs the LAPD to work with the county’s Department of Mental Health, Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority and other government agencies to respond to non-violent incidents, such as drug abuse and incidents related to mental health.

It would include diverting nonviolent calls for services, such as neighbor disputes and others from the LAPD to the appropriate non-law-enforcement agencies.

My wife’s black friend from the office who became a Chicago policewoman told us that she was amazed by the number of calls they went on to adjudicate really stupid domestic disputes, such as the time a man and woman were having an argument over which TV show to watch, so they called 911 to send out a police officer to tell them who was right about which show was better.

So, there are a lot of calls, especially from the black community, demanding the police come out and resolve inane disputes that shouldn’t require a policeman.

On the other hand … the kind of people who call 911 over which TV show to watch may be nonviolent right at this moment, but it’s not like Professor Pinker and Professor Goldstein are the ones calling 911 over TV arguments and thus will be perfectly happy to listen to the sweet light of reason as dispensed by a social workers. No, the callers tend to be unreasonable people.

So if you just dispatch a nice lady social worker to adjudicate which show to watch, well, much of the time it will work out okay, but every so often everything goes wrong and you wind up with the nice lady social worker being taken hostage.

So then Our Leaders will come up with a better idea: send an armed policeman along with the social worker to protect her.

But, my guess would be that, a lone policeman tend is more likely to shoot an assailant more often than a pair of policemen are, because a pair tend to feel that they can win a fair fight nonlethally, while a lone policeman who is attacked is in risk of losing his life.

So then you sent the social worker and two policemen and …

 
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  1. Anon[646] • Disclaimer says:

    Typo: since an armed policeman –> send an armed policeman

    —–

    This stuff is classical utopianism, the idea that after mankind has spent millennia figuring out the various ways that society can be organized and operated, some guys can spitball a completely new system that is going to work.

  2. My wife’s black friend from the office

    Oh, that ain’t gwan save yo ath, Karen.

  3. Here is the perfect adjudicator. Jeffy Epstein! He might be available. Pretty sure Albuquerque doesn’t want him hanging around their City Hall…

    https://kubrick.htvapps.com/htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/images/epstein-web-1593624682.jpg?resize=660:*

    https://www.koat.com/article/mystery-jeffrey-epstein-statue-found-in-downtown-albuquerque/33025531

  4. I’ve interacted with the LAPD quite a lot and they do a good job in general in terms of dispute resolution. Their model is mostly to radiate quiet contempt for everyone involved and wait until everyone gets sick of the interaction and move on.

    • LOL: fish, Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Mike1

    That's the model that's worked for me for 60 years,
    But then, I'm English.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mike1

    I'll never forget the cop that pulled me over for an out-of-state license plate one time - it had been about a year and a half in my new location (helped with parking tickets):

    "Hey, I got the new plate. I just haven't put it on yet." That was true, as it was on the floorboards in the back. "OK, let's put it on now." "I don't have my tools in the trunk." This was true too, as the red toolbox was back in the garage. "Hmmm.. there's a hardware store. Let's go find a screwdriver." It was about 200 yards off the left side of the road. We walked over there, but they had closed. "OK, you put it on first thing in the morning."

    I did too, not at all due to concern that I'd see the same guy again. How could I let down an honest go-getter like that? Now, that's the way you have an interaction!

  5. Social Worker First Responders as Hostage Meat

    Morale-boosting motto idea for LAPD forensics cleanup crews:

    Maybe the real Hostage Meat was the friends we made along the way.

    • Thanks: Charon
    • LOL: ThreeCranes
  6. Dube says:

    It’s not just social workers who might be drawn in, but more specifically, mental health professionals. It’s true that a badge and a gun are not qualifications for handling some kinds of emergency calls. A problem then will be to budget and hold accountable the service organization that appears in response to the need, in response to the opportunity.

    • LOL: JMcG
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Dube

    The bigger problem with mental health, I suspect, is a lot of times not knowing at the time of the 911 call whether or what kind of mental health emergency you are dealing with.

  7. This is one of these proposals that would probably be a good idea if there were no blacks in America.
    Most white and even Hispanic minor disputes can probably dealt with by unarmed parking enforcement type people. But the way things are, it will be considered discrimination if a high percentage of calls about blacks are going to the real police. So these social workers will be sent to calls about black muggers and black mobs doing knock out game style attacks. https://www.unz.com/author/james-thompson/

    • Agree: anonymous1963
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @ATBOTL

    Your points are well taken. Only this:


    Most white and even Hispanic minor disputes can probably dealt with by unarmed parking enforcement type people.
     
    I'd like to think so, Fred and Ron would like to think so, but in actual fact a lot of latino 'events' involve drunk driving and killing people, and molesting young relatives. So yeah, social workers.

    Replies: @bomag, @Alden

    , @AnotherDad
    @ATBOTL


    This is one of these proposals that would probably be a good idea if there were no blacks in America.
     
    Though blacks generate far more "problems" than other groups, it isn't just "blacks".

    It's "diversity".

    When your society is inhabited by one people with a common culture, while there are interpersonal disputes, there are also well understood cultural "rules" and informal community "dispute resolution", so anything and everything does not escalate to "police matter".

    When your are "blessed by diversity", and have disparate peoples interacting these common understandings and the effectiveness of informal community resolution starts falling away.

    But even worse under minoritarianism--minorities oppressed/virtuous, majorities oppressive/evil-- the authority of the nation's majority culture is specifically kicked away. Then you have *no* common understand of how anything is supposed to work. And worse minorities--like blacks--are specifically encouraged, prompted to reject--and get pissed off about--the majorities notions of appropriate behavior. Even stuff that would be just plain old common sense in *any* unitary culture--hey don't blast your stereo at 2. a.m.--is can not be resolved by appeal to common culture/sense. Anything and everything is a "police matter".

    Minoritarianism, and those who push it and preach it, are cancers upon any nation, upon humanity.

    Replies: @Gabe Ruth, @anonymous1963, @Mike_from_SGV

  8. • Replies: @Muggles
    @anon

    >>Imagine your last tweet before you die is "orange man bad".<<

    Yet another death by Trump Derangement Syndrome. No vaccine for that yet! Will they ever learn?

  9. It’s worth a try. Over time, the 911 call handlers will learn which calls require an armed officer and which calls require something else.

    The bigger problem is perhaps that it risks over-burdening the social workers. Under the old system, a homeless drunk shouting at passers-by gets locked up for 24 hours, then released back to the streets. Under the new system, the same homeless drunk gets sent to a detox clinic, gets some housing provided, training, help to find a job, etc. – which all ends up costing a lot more. Morally though, the latter seems like the far better outcome.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @Andrew M

    The bigger problem is perhaps that it risks over-burdening the social workers.

    Completely unexpectedly, this will require a large number of new government employees and government spending.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Fish-eater
    @Andrew M

    Of all the detoxified and newly housed drunks, what percentage will really change so as not to get drunk again and stay employed?

  10. @ATBOTL
    This is one of these proposals that would probably be a good idea if there were no blacks in America.
    Most white and even Hispanic minor disputes can probably dealt with by unarmed parking enforcement type people. But the way things are, it will be considered discrimination if a high percentage of calls about blacks are going to the real police. So these social workers will be sent to calls about black muggers and black mobs doing knock out game style attacks. https://www.unz.com/author/james-thompson/

    Replies: @HammerJack, @AnotherDad

    Your points are well taken. Only this:

    Most white and even Hispanic minor disputes can probably dealt with by unarmed parking enforcement type people.

    I’d like to think so, Fred and Ron would like to think so, but in actual fact a lot of latino ‘events’ involve drunk driving and killing people, and molesting young relatives. So yeah, social workers.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @HammerJack


    I’d like to think so, Fred and Ron would like to think so...
     
    LOL

    Reminds me of a Brazilian, commenting that academic policy debates in his country start with the assumption that everyone in the country has Scandinavian sensibilities.
    , @Alden
    @HammerJack

    Exactly right. One problem with these Hispanic shoot outs is the custom of inter generational parties where every friend and relative and friends of friends is invited to every event.

    Amazing how Hispanic events like baby showers, baptism parties and 7 year old’s birthday parties end up in brawls and killings. It’s really a nice custom until it ends badly.

    Usually the police are called after there’s a dead body and serious injuries.

    I’d like to know where all these trained expert social workers are going to come from. They’ll all be black and Hispanic of course. So will the experienced social workers be transferred to overnight duty? Or will the new trainees be sent out to deescalate?

  11. @Mike1
    I've interacted with the LAPD quite a lot and they do a good job in general in terms of dispute resolution. Their model is mostly to radiate quiet contempt for everyone involved and wait until everyone gets sick of the interaction and move on.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s the model that’s worked for me for 60 years,
    But then, I’m English.

  12. The LAPD already has a dedicated unit that works with mental health professionals to deal with homeless people and stuff like that. Are they just expanding that?Also the LAPD is one of two of the giant police departments that has two-man cars as standard.

  13. … you wind up with the nice lady social worker being taken hostage.

    What’s that old saying, that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged?

    What we’re going to end up with are numerous heavily-armed SWAT teams with Psych degrees being mandatory for employment. Seriously, the Dept. of Ed already has its own SWAT teams.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @The Alarmist

    numerous heavily-armed SWAT teams with Psych degrees

    Have you ever met any psych. majors? That's the most frightening thing I've read today.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Mr. Anon

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Alarmist

    People would be amazed at how many different offices of the US Feral Government have thousands of people that go down to Glynn County, Georgia* to train for shooting. The Bureau of Labor Statistics, really? (OK, I jest on that one!)

    .

    * Yep, that Glynn county, where Brunswick is, but just across the road from the Golden Isles (GlynnCo) airoprt.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Diversity Heretic

    , @The Plutonium Kid
    @The Alarmist

    "What’s that old saying, that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged?"

    A liberal is a conservative who's been arrested.

    And a libertarian is a Republican who uses drugs.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro

  14. anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:

    …and then you’re back where you started except with a big jobs program for indebted MSW grads which was the whole point of this thing anyway.

  15. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    If you watch the video Rayshard Brooks ultimately got killed because two lame police officers lost a physical fight with a drunk man whose hands were already being held behind his back. Pathetic. It should be real difficult to win a 1 on 2 wrestling match.

    Pro-tip for cops: your life is on the line in physical combat situations so act accordingly. Lift weights and train grappling. I know you work with a bunch of fat women collecting government paychecks but for your own sake you should take your job seriously.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Anonymous

    In the old days they wouldn't need to grapple with a suspect, they'd just beat him into submission with their batons, Rodney King style.

    As cops lose the ability to use non-lethal methods like clubs and chokeholds, they eventually have to go for their guns.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous

    Routine police situations often get out of hand because, for police they are routine (in the dull, pejorative sense of the word), while for the apprehended they are his life (or at least perceived by him to be his life). So the apprehended will make extraordinary effort, while the police can't really be asked to expend themselves in life-or-death to-the-uttermost-degree several times a day. Even professional soldiers don't do that.


    your life is on the line in physical combat situations so act accordingly. Lift weights and train grappling
     
    They do this. That's what all that controversy about the Israeli knee-on-neck and choke-holds is about. Those were supposed to be the "your life is on the line" moves, but then liberals saw police doing them, so now they're banned.
  16. @Andrew M
    It’s worth a try. Over time, the 911 call handlers will learn which calls require an armed officer and which calls require something else.

    The bigger problem is perhaps that it risks over-burdening the social workers. Under the old system, a homeless drunk shouting at passers-by gets locked up for 24 hours, then released back to the streets. Under the new system, the same homeless drunk gets sent to a detox clinic, gets some housing provided, training, help to find a job, etc. - which all ends up costing a lot more. Morally though, the latter seems like the far better outcome.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Fish-eater

    The bigger problem is perhaps that it risks over-burdening the social workers.

    Completely unexpectedly, this will require a large number of new government employees and government spending.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Cloudbuster


    ...this will require a large number of new government employees and government spending.
     
    Yes.

    Completely risible that police funding will be cut, and the money diverted to new such programs. This will be an increase by the usual factor.
  17. @The Alarmist

    ... you wind up with the nice lady social worker being taken hostage.
     
    What's that old saying, that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged?

    What we're going to end up with are numerous heavily-armed SWAT teams with Psych degrees being mandatory for employment. Seriously, the Dept. of Ed already has its own SWAT teams.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Achmed E. Newman, @The Plutonium Kid

    numerous heavily-armed SWAT teams with Psych degrees

    Have you ever met any psych. majors? That’s the most frightening thing I’ve read today.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Cloudbuster

    Never met a psych major, but the one social-psychology major I know is a woman who would be better off in a nuthouse (the rest of the world would be better off too). She's been on anti-depressants for thirty years. She's a wreck. A bitter, interfering shrew. A classic Hilary Clinton supporter/Trump hater.

    In her warped mind, she actually believes that if Donald Trump weren't president then her life would somehow be better. How? I don't know. I'm sure she couldn't answer that. First she would say "I just can't believe......" And if pressed then something about global warming, electric cars, rights of gays, blacks killing each other etc.

    These loonies actually blame Trump for global warming. The began blaming him the day after he took office. That this is physically and historically impossible matters not in the least. And so on with all their insecurities. They have a need be frightened and he is their boogeyman.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Cloudbuster


    Have you ever met any psych. majors? That’s the most frightening thing I’ve read today.
     
    I bet a lot of psychopaths are psych. majors. Ted Bundy was a psych. major.
  18. @Mike1
    I've interacted with the LAPD quite a lot and they do a good job in general in terms of dispute resolution. Their model is mostly to radiate quiet contempt for everyone involved and wait until everyone gets sick of the interaction and move on.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Achmed E. Newman

    I’ll never forget the cop that pulled me over for an out-of-state license plate one time – it had been about a year and a half in my new location (helped with parking tickets):

    “Hey, I got the new plate. I just haven’t put it on yet.” That was true, as it was on the floorboards in the back. “OK, let’s put it on now.” “I don’t have my tools in the trunk.” This was true too, as the red toolbox was back in the garage. “Hmmm.. there’s a hardware store. Let’s go find a screwdriver.” It was about 200 yards off the left side of the road. We walked over there, but they had closed. “OK, you put it on first thing in the morning.”

    I did too, not at all due to concern that I’d see the same guy again. How could I let down an honest go-getter like that? Now, that’s the way you have an interaction!

    • LOL: Gabe Ruth
  19. @The Alarmist

    ... you wind up with the nice lady social worker being taken hostage.
     
    What's that old saying, that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged?

    What we're going to end up with are numerous heavily-armed SWAT teams with Psych degrees being mandatory for employment. Seriously, the Dept. of Ed already has its own SWAT teams.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Achmed E. Newman, @The Plutonium Kid

    People would be amazed at how many different offices of the US Feral Government have thousands of people that go down to Glynn County, Georgia* to train for shooting. The Bureau of Labor Statistics, really? (OK, I jest on that one!)

    .

    * Yep, that Glynn county, where Brunswick is, but just across the road from the Golden Isles (GlynnCo) airoprt.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Achmed E. Newman

    My vague impression is that the the huge arming up of federal agencies after 9/11 did a lot for cutting the crime rate and raising real estate prices in Washington DC.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Lot

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I'm surprised agencies in the greater Washington DC area don't use the Marine Corps base at Quantico for firearms training. IIRC, that's where the FBI trains.

  20. @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Alarmist

    People would be amazed at how many different offices of the US Feral Government have thousands of people that go down to Glynn County, Georgia* to train for shooting. The Bureau of Labor Statistics, really? (OK, I jest on that one!)

    .

    * Yep, that Glynn county, where Brunswick is, but just across the road from the Golden Isles (GlynnCo) airoprt.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Diversity Heretic

    My vague impression is that the the huge arming up of federal agencies after 9/11 did a lot for cutting the crime rate and raising real estate prices in Washington DC.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Steve Sailer

    I always got a kick that the Department of Education once acquired it’s own SWAT team.

    https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/beware-the-us-education-department-swat-team

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sBAYPK1COQM/TfF3kpZd7wI/AAAAAAAAB68/3URsGmSB5zI/s1600/OIG.png

    “You’ve been skipping school for three days Carlos, we’re taking you in on a “no-knock” raid education warrant.”

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @Lot
    @Steve Sailer

    Nah, just the rapid growth in big fed generally boosted incomes. Suburban DC also became a good place to have a giant corporate HQ, big pool of educated white collar workers and cheaper than NYC/Boston/SF, nicer than Chicago and Philly.

    AOL was probably the big leader. Latest giant corp to move their HQ to NoVa was Nestle USA, after decades in Glendale, California.

    FBI and Federal Marshall Service might have got more militarized, but they are pretty decentralized. HHS and the GAO, no. And the military itself got bigger under Bush II.

    Baltimore is horrible, but property values benefited from the regional boost just like DC.

  21. @HammerJack
    @ATBOTL

    Your points are well taken. Only this:


    Most white and even Hispanic minor disputes can probably dealt with by unarmed parking enforcement type people.
     
    I'd like to think so, Fred and Ron would like to think so, but in actual fact a lot of latino 'events' involve drunk driving and killing people, and molesting young relatives. So yeah, social workers.

    Replies: @bomag, @Alden

    I’d like to think so, Fred and Ron would like to think so…

    LOL

    Reminds me of a Brazilian, commenting that academic policy debates in his country start with the assumption that everyone in the country has Scandinavian sensibilities.

  22. So if you just dispatch a nice lady social worker to adjudicate which show to watch, well, much of the time it will work out okay, but every so often everything goes wrong and you wind up with the nice lady social worker being taken hostage.

    Which itself sounds like a good idea for an episode of, what, Barney Miller? Adam 12? Car 54?

  23. @Cloudbuster
    @Andrew M

    The bigger problem is perhaps that it risks over-burdening the social workers.

    Completely unexpectedly, this will require a large number of new government employees and government spending.

    Replies: @bomag

    …this will require a large number of new government employees and government spending.

    Yes.

    Completely risible that police funding will be cut, and the money diverted to new such programs. This will be an increase by the usual factor.

  24. The absurd notion underlying this is that social workers are actually effective. It is just government busy work for dummies. The police are effective at defusing incidents 99.9% of the time. Usually it inv0lves a cop telling two people he knows that one or the other is going to jail for the night if they don’t knock it off, and he isn’t yet sure which one.

  25. Having a gun, a badge, and a set of handcuffs tend to improve one’s effectiveness at dispute resolution. When the unarmed social worker shows up to close down a loud party or get a psychotic homeless person to move along, the people involved will basically tell her to f*ck off.

    It’s the same mistake people make in foreign affairs when they insist all problems can be worked out through “diplomacy” instead of force. Diplomacy is only effective when it’s backed by the threat of force.

    You can only get so far whining: “ah, c’mon dude, that’s not cool, can you please do what I want instead of what you want.”

    In the end, Steve’s right, they will have to send cops to protect the social workers and we’ll end up with double the bureaucracy. I further predict that the social workers will eventually morph into ride-along commisars.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Hypnotoad666

    This is not always the case. I can very easily imagine mentally deranged people who wouldn't respond in a rational way to a gun. I have actually seen such an instance on video where a boy with a screwdriver was shot by police. He didn't have to be. It was pretty obvious there was nothing they were going to say that would make him drop the screwdriver. On the other hand, he wasn't threatening anyone and was just standing there. I agree with Steve's post, although I do think that mental health cases probably should receive slightly different training. For example, if the person is not holding a projectile weapon, guns should stay in holsters.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Diversity Heretic

    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Hypnotoad666

    "I further predict that the social workers will eventually morph into ride-along commissars."

    Perhaps that is the actual motivation for this policy, but it is felt that it needs to be phased in. "Well, we tried the initial way first, but that proved to be problematic. But, mirabile mirabilis, by pure chance, we discovered that having the "social worker" (cum political commissar) and the police working together helped to further ingrain anarcho-tyranny by proactively undermining racist law enforcement by the racist police officer acting racistically."

    , @Dube
    @Hypnotoad666

    I further predict that the social workers will eventually morph into ride-along commissars.

    Who declare their pronouns.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Hypnotoad666


    Having a gun, a badge, and a set of handcuffs tend to improve one’s effectiveness at dispute resolution. When the unarmed social worker shows up to close down a loud party or get a psychotic homeless person to move along, the people involved will basically tell her to f*ck off.

    It’s the same mistake people make in foreign affairs when they insist all problems can be worked out through “diplomacy” instead of force. Diplomacy is only effective when it’s backed by the threat of force.
     
    Well said.

    "Duh" territory but in our post-War, post-invention-of-nuclear-weapons, post-hard-manual-labor, post-industrial, very prosperous and highly feminized society basic common sense reality is out the window and we have people who actually believe in unicorns and fairy dust.
    , @International Jew
    @Hypnotoad666


    It’s the same mistake people make in foreign affairs when they insist all problems can be worked out through “diplomacy” instead of force. Diplomacy is only effective when it’s backed by the threat of force.
     
    Witness the relative effectiveness of the US's efforts at nuclear nonproliferation, vs Israel's. Instead of pleading endlessly, Israel just up and destroyed Iraq's reactor (June 1982) and Syria's (September 2007) from the air.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Hypnotoad666

    "Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments."

    Quote attributed to Frederick the Great.

  26. @Anonymous
    If you watch the video Rayshard Brooks ultimately got killed because two lame police officers lost a physical fight with a drunk man whose hands were already being held behind his back. Pathetic. It should be real difficult to win a 1 on 2 wrestling match.

    Pro-tip for cops: your life is on the line in physical combat situations so act accordingly. Lift weights and train grappling. I know you work with a bunch of fat women collecting government paychecks but for your own sake you should take your job seriously.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Almost Missouri

    In the old days they wouldn’t need to grapple with a suspect, they’d just beat him into submission with their batons, Rodney King style.

    As cops lose the ability to use non-lethal methods like clubs and chokeholds, they eventually have to go for their guns.

    • Agree: Coemgen
  27. Just like the economic shutdown, no real thought goes into these decisions – just knee jerk (off) reaction-ism. The ultimate or potentially ultimate ramifications – what do you mean ramifications?

  28. Yup. The net effect of defunding the police will be to have a police force that’s larger and more expensive. It’ll have the same number of cops as before, but with a layer of useless folks on top.

  29. @Dube
    It's not just social workers who might be drawn in, but more specifically, mental health professionals. It's true that a badge and a gun are not qualifications for handling some kinds of emergency calls. A problem then will be to budget and hold accountable the service organization that appears in response to the need, in response to the opportunity.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    The bigger problem with mental health, I suspect, is a lot of times not knowing at the time of the 911 call whether or what kind of mental health emergency you are dealing with.

  30. “So if you just dispatch a nice lady social worker…”

    We already have that. They have the power and they love to use it. But they are not nice. That’s DFACS, Jack.

  31. @Hypnotoad666
    Having a gun, a badge, and a set of handcuffs tend to improve one's effectiveness at dispute resolution. When the unarmed social worker shows up to close down a loud party or get a psychotic homeless person to move along, the people involved will basically tell her to f*ck off.

    It's the same mistake people make in foreign affairs when they insist all problems can be worked out through "diplomacy" instead of force. Diplomacy is only effective when it's backed by the threat of force.

    You can only get so far whining: "ah, c'mon dude, that's not cool, can you please do what I want instead of what you want."

    In the end, Steve's right, they will have to send cops to protect the social workers and we'll end up with double the bureaucracy. I further predict that the social workers will eventually morph into ride-along commisars.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Dube, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Diversity Heretic

    This is not always the case. I can very easily imagine mentally deranged people who wouldn’t respond in a rational way to a gun. I have actually seen such an instance on video where a boy with a screwdriver was shot by police. He didn’t have to be. It was pretty obvious there was nothing they were going to say that would make him drop the screwdriver. On the other hand, he wasn’t threatening anyone and was just standing there. I agree with Steve’s post, although I do think that mental health cases probably should receive slightly different training. For example, if the person is not holding a projectile weapon, guns should stay in holsters.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Chrisnonymous


    For example, if the person is not holding a projectile weapon, guns should stay in holsters.
     
    Get back to me after completing training where a guy rushes you with a screw driver.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Chrisnonymous

    If an adversary is less than 21 feet away there's no way that a shooter can draw and fire an aimed shot before the adversary is upon him. If the adversary has any kind of an edged weapon, he'll be able to use it. Police officers are generally trained to back up when drawing their sidearms upon being rushed to give them a little more time to draw and fire. And that assumes that the shot stops the attacker, which isn't always the case. There's a vigorous debate about the stopping power of various handgun cartridges.

  32. @Hypnotoad666
    Having a gun, a badge, and a set of handcuffs tend to improve one's effectiveness at dispute resolution. When the unarmed social worker shows up to close down a loud party or get a psychotic homeless person to move along, the people involved will basically tell her to f*ck off.

    It's the same mistake people make in foreign affairs when they insist all problems can be worked out through "diplomacy" instead of force. Diplomacy is only effective when it's backed by the threat of force.

    You can only get so far whining: "ah, c'mon dude, that's not cool, can you please do what I want instead of what you want."

    In the end, Steve's right, they will have to send cops to protect the social workers and we'll end up with double the bureaucracy. I further predict that the social workers will eventually morph into ride-along commisars.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Dube, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Diversity Heretic

    “I further predict that the social workers will eventually morph into ride-along commissars.”

    Perhaps that is the actual motivation for this policy, but it is felt that it needs to be phased in. “Well, we tried the initial way first, but that proved to be problematic. But, mirabile mirabilis, by pure chance, we discovered that having the “social worker” (cum political commissar) and the police working together helped to further ingrain anarcho-tyranny by proactively undermining racist law enforcement by the racist police officer acting racistically.”

  33. I wonder if it might be possible to require the Social Workers to wear body cams like police officers? That could produce some entertaining video clips. Example; 911 dispatcher decides a domestic dispute call can be handled by a social worker. Unfortunately, real world domestic disputes are not always like on TV crime procedurals where Becky is upbraiding Chad for continuously poaching her shots in tennis doubles games.
    SW Karen walks into domicile where drywall hanger who had twelve cervezas after work is smacking around his wife and kids. Normally SWs get involved after the main event when police have taken care of the immediate crisis. In this case SW tries to intervene.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Alfa158


    I wonder if it might be possible to require the Social Workers to wear body cams like police officers?
     
    Now that they have cancelled "Cops," maybe they can replace it with "Social Workers!"

    It will consist of body cam footage of SWs getting beaten up and calling the actual cops. I'd watch that.

    Replies: @Alfa158

  34. ‘Defund the police and replace them with BIPOC LGBTQ+ social workers’ is one of those policy positions advocated by people who are either so naïve or self-absorbed that they imagine every single human being on this gay blue orb thinks, acts, and reacts to the world the same as they do.

    Nebbish suburban fags, bicycling Jews with Crohn’s disease, 85% European-admixture mulattas big on #BLM who work at Deloitte: all of them can’t fathom that some black yoof in Englewood (who grew up with no male role models, yet experienced horrific violence from the few men who passed over his doorstep throughout childhood) reacts to frustration or humiliation differently than they do.

    They think that a domestic conflict can be de-escalated by police on command as if it was some simple mechanical or chemical process because they can be cooled off by being told to stand in a corner. The most pressing issue of our time is how to get these people to stand in the fucking corner and fiddle with their buttplugs instead of destroying their own civilization.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @More R1b, Less H1B

    "They think that a domestic conflict can be de-escalated by police on command as if it was some simple mechanical or chemical process because they can be cooled off by being told to stand in a corner."

    I don't think they want "de-escalation." They handcuff the police, because they want more cops killed.

    Training cops to act like pansies will only escalate violence. As policemen have understood for generations, the best method of de-escalation is a show of unstoppable force. The bad guys then see the situation as unwinnable, and typically immediately surrender. (Otherwise, they die, which is the ideal result.) It is when the cops look weak that the bad guys are emboldened to resist.

  35. @Cloudbuster
    @The Alarmist

    numerous heavily-armed SWAT teams with Psych degrees

    Have you ever met any psych. majors? That's the most frightening thing I've read today.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Mr. Anon

    Never met a psych major, but the one social-psychology major I know is a woman who would be better off in a nuthouse (the rest of the world would be better off too). She’s been on anti-depressants for thirty years. She’s a wreck. A bitter, interfering shrew. A classic Hilary Clinton supporter/Trump hater.

    In her warped mind, she actually believes that if Donald Trump weren’t president then her life would somehow be better. How? I don’t know. I’m sure she couldn’t answer that. First she would say “I just can’t believe……” And if pressed then something about global warming, electric cars, rights of gays, blacks killing each other etc.

    These loonies actually blame Trump for global warming. The began blaming him the day after he took office. That this is physically and historically impossible matters not in the least. And so on with all their insecurities. They have a need be frightened and he is their boogeyman.

  36. @Anonymous
    If you watch the video Rayshard Brooks ultimately got killed because two lame police officers lost a physical fight with a drunk man whose hands were already being held behind his back. Pathetic. It should be real difficult to win a 1 on 2 wrestling match.

    Pro-tip for cops: your life is on the line in physical combat situations so act accordingly. Lift weights and train grappling. I know you work with a bunch of fat women collecting government paychecks but for your own sake you should take your job seriously.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Almost Missouri

    Routine police situations often get out of hand because, for police they are routine (in the dull, pejorative sense of the word), while for the apprehended they are his life (or at least perceived by him to be his life). So the apprehended will make extraordinary effort, while the police can’t really be asked to expend themselves in life-or-death to-the-uttermost-degree several times a day. Even professional soldiers don’t do that.

    your life is on the line in physical combat situations so act accordingly. Lift weights and train grappling

    They do this. That’s what all that controversy about the Israeli knee-on-neck and choke-holds is about. Those were supposed to be the “your life is on the line” moves, but then liberals saw police doing them, so now they’re banned.

  37. @Steve Sailer
    @Achmed E. Newman

    My vague impression is that the the huge arming up of federal agencies after 9/11 did a lot for cutting the crime rate and raising real estate prices in Washington DC.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Lot

    I always got a kick that the Department of Education once acquired it’s own SWAT team.

    https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/beware-the-us-education-department-swat-team

    “You’ve been skipping school for three days Carlos, we’re taking you in on a “no-knock” raid education warrant.”

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Kronos

    "That's it, Carlos. You're going to 'The Warehouse' now."

    Replies: @Kronos

  38. Women cops are meant to be better at conflict resolution, but are there any statistical surveys that try and model that?

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Henry's Cat

    Perhaps women should be sent in as first responders in every circumstance. Let’s allow them to reach their potential without obstacles in any kind of emergency callout.

    Maybe bring in the men to sweep up the mess from the roads.

    Once the crisis has been resolved.

  39. These sorts of tax-funded, social worker services — especially of the mental health variety — are one of the fastest growing items in state government budgets.

    They suck, of course.

    It’s only a matter of time until the blogger’s sarcastic scenario, i.e. 2 cops : 1 LCSW, becomes the norm in the standard, taxpayer-unfriendly, 1st (least slowest) responder, public union contract.

    You know, like how a 911 call for a:

    • paramedic +dispatches a FF truck.
    • fire truck +dispatches a cop cruiser.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  40. Most police contacts start out as “nonviolent.” Until they turn violent. Someone suffering a “mental health crisis” isn’t going to walk around with a sign that says “I have an outstanding warrant and a knife.”

    On the bright side, the next few years promise a bumper crop of amusing viral videos of social workers getting clocked by lowlifes.

    • Agree: bruce county
  41. @Hypnotoad666
    Having a gun, a badge, and a set of handcuffs tend to improve one's effectiveness at dispute resolution. When the unarmed social worker shows up to close down a loud party or get a psychotic homeless person to move along, the people involved will basically tell her to f*ck off.

    It's the same mistake people make in foreign affairs when they insist all problems can be worked out through "diplomacy" instead of force. Diplomacy is only effective when it's backed by the threat of force.

    You can only get so far whining: "ah, c'mon dude, that's not cool, can you please do what I want instead of what you want."

    In the end, Steve's right, they will have to send cops to protect the social workers and we'll end up with double the bureaucracy. I further predict that the social workers will eventually morph into ride-along commisars.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Dube, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Diversity Heretic

    I further predict that the social workers will eventually morph into ride-along commissars.

    Who declare their pronouns.

  42. @anon
    https://twitter.com/PaulSkallas/status/1278545019767599104

    Replies: @Muggles

    >>Imagine your last tweet before you die is “orange man bad”.<<

    Yet another death by Trump Derangement Syndrome. No vaccine for that yet! Will they ever learn?

  43. @Hypnotoad666
    Having a gun, a badge, and a set of handcuffs tend to improve one's effectiveness at dispute resolution. When the unarmed social worker shows up to close down a loud party or get a psychotic homeless person to move along, the people involved will basically tell her to f*ck off.

    It's the same mistake people make in foreign affairs when they insist all problems can be worked out through "diplomacy" instead of force. Diplomacy is only effective when it's backed by the threat of force.

    You can only get so far whining: "ah, c'mon dude, that's not cool, can you please do what I want instead of what you want."

    In the end, Steve's right, they will have to send cops to protect the social workers and we'll end up with double the bureaucracy. I further predict that the social workers will eventually morph into ride-along commisars.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Dube, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Diversity Heretic

    Having a gun, a badge, and a set of handcuffs tend to improve one’s effectiveness at dispute resolution. When the unarmed social worker shows up to close down a loud party or get a psychotic homeless person to move along, the people involved will basically tell her to f*ck off.

    It’s the same mistake people make in foreign affairs when they insist all problems can be worked out through “diplomacy” instead of force. Diplomacy is only effective when it’s backed by the threat of force.

    Well said.

    “Duh” territory but in our post-War, post-invention-of-nuclear-weapons, post-hard-manual-labor, post-industrial, very prosperous and highly feminized society basic common sense reality is out the window and we have people who actually believe in unicorns and fairy dust.

  44. @Alfa158
    I wonder if it might be possible to require the Social Workers to wear body cams like police officers? That could produce some entertaining video clips. Example; 911 dispatcher decides a domestic dispute call can be handled by a social worker. Unfortunately, real world domestic disputes are not always like on TV crime procedurals where Becky is upbraiding Chad for continuously poaching her shots in tennis doubles games.
    SW Karen walks into domicile where drywall hanger who had twelve cervezas after work is smacking around his wife and kids. Normally SWs get involved after the main event when police have taken care of the immediate crisis. In this case SW tries to intervene.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    I wonder if it might be possible to require the Social Workers to wear body cams like police officers?

    Now that they have cancelled “Cops,” maybe they can replace it with “Social Workers!”

    It will consist of body cam footage of SWs getting beaten up and calling the actual cops. I’d watch that.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Hypnotoad666

    I watched a few episodes of Cops when it was new. There was a hilarious encounter from when the first female cops were being sent on patrol. A drunken patron at a dive bar had smacked his girlfriend, and two female cops responded, a skinny black woman and a pear shaped school marm looking woman. The victim tried to say it was OK but the cops were trying to arrest him anyway. He was a potbellied out of shape guy with a mullet. He didn’t even get violent, he just kept slurring whassa matta, I didn’t do anything. Both lady cops kept trying to bend his arms behind him with judo holds to handcuff him but he just stood there and kept his arms at his side.
    Finally a couple of male bar patrons felt sorry for the cops and pulled the guy’s hands behind his back so they could cuff him.

  45. Shot of bad guys laughing as they fire machine guns at screaming unseen pedestrians

    VOICEOVER: “This is Jack Lord, inviting you to be with us next week for ‘…And When Did You Begin to Experience These Feelings?’ As a murderous gang terrorizes Honolulu, 5-0 is ordered to replace Danno with a psychologist/social worker.”

    CHIN: “That crazy chick going to get us all killed, Steve.”
    KONO: “You got dat right, bruddah, but we’ve been defunded.”

    SOCIAL WORKER (guest star Debra Winger): “You need to understand it’s not your fault, it’s systemic anti-yellow racism!”
    BAD GUY: You wanna ‘understand’ me, lady? Here’s all you need to understand.”
    (Close-up of huge handgun, off-screen sfx Winger screaming, guns firing, glass breaking)

    VOICEOVER: “Next week: ‘Feelings.’ Be here. Aloha.”

  46. @ATBOTL
    This is one of these proposals that would probably be a good idea if there were no blacks in America.
    Most white and even Hispanic minor disputes can probably dealt with by unarmed parking enforcement type people. But the way things are, it will be considered discrimination if a high percentage of calls about blacks are going to the real police. So these social workers will be sent to calls about black muggers and black mobs doing knock out game style attacks. https://www.unz.com/author/james-thompson/

    Replies: @HammerJack, @AnotherDad

    This is one of these proposals that would probably be a good idea if there were no blacks in America.

    Though blacks generate far more “problems” than other groups, it isn’t just “blacks”.

    It’s “diversity”.

    When your society is inhabited by one people with a common culture, while there are interpersonal disputes, there are also well understood cultural “rules” and informal community “dispute resolution”, so anything and everything does not escalate to “police matter”.

    When your are “blessed by diversity”, and have disparate peoples interacting these common understandings and the effectiveness of informal community resolution starts falling away.

    But even worse under minoritarianism–minorities oppressed/virtuous, majorities oppressive/evil– the authority of the nation’s majority culture is specifically kicked away. Then you have *no* common understand of how anything is supposed to work. And worse minorities–like blacks–are specifically encouraged, prompted to reject–and get pissed off about–the majorities notions of appropriate behavior. Even stuff that would be just plain old common sense in *any* unitary culture–hey don’t blast your stereo at 2. a.m.–is can not be resolved by appeal to common culture/sense. Anything and everything is a “police matter”.

    Minoritarianism, and those who push it and preach it, are cancers upon any nation, upon humanity.

    • Agree: Elli
    • Replies: @Gabe Ruth
    @AnotherDad

    Good points, but I'd argue that scale is at least as important, probably more so. That's why I actually love the idea of community policing, understood as community norm enforcement. Of course there might be a slight uptick in neighborhood segregation, which you and I know would be just terrible.

    , @anonymous1963
    @AnotherDad

    Very well said. (I have already used the AGREE button).

    , @Mike_from_SGV
    @AnotherDad

    This country would save an enormous amount of problems and money if the different groups were kept physically separate, similar to in a zoo where the lions, lizards, and monkeys etc are not allowed to interact. Diversity is not strength, it's a huge money sink.

  47. My small town has a gazillion cops. When I asked a mid level administrator why so many, he exclaimed, “We need more!”

    WTF? He said most of their calls were non-reportable. I didn’t ask for details, but I got the impression that most didn’t need a policeman at all, just somebody. And the dispatcher won’t tell people, “No, ma’am. We’re the police. We can’t help with your stuck cat.”

    ‘unarmed emergency responders for non-violent calls for service.’

    The calls are always non-violent.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Gamecock

    Back when the Washington Post was a real paper, they did an analysis of 911 calls, and they found that something like, IIRC, 200 numbers made up 20% of 911 calls. These people called for everything.

    The city's solution was to encourage people to call 311 for non-emergency calls.

    Replies: @Gamecock

  48. @Hypnotoad666
    @Alfa158


    I wonder if it might be possible to require the Social Workers to wear body cams like police officers?
     
    Now that they have cancelled "Cops," maybe they can replace it with "Social Workers!"

    It will consist of body cam footage of SWs getting beaten up and calling the actual cops. I'd watch that.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    I watched a few episodes of Cops when it was new. There was a hilarious encounter from when the first female cops were being sent on patrol. A drunken patron at a dive bar had smacked his girlfriend, and two female cops responded, a skinny black woman and a pear shaped school marm looking woman. The victim tried to say it was OK but the cops were trying to arrest him anyway. He was a potbellied out of shape guy with a mullet. He didn’t even get violent, he just kept slurring whassa matta, I didn’t do anything. Both lady cops kept trying to bend his arms behind him with judo holds to handcuff him but he just stood there and kept his arms at his side.
    Finally a couple of male bar patrons felt sorry for the cops and pulled the guy’s hands behind his back so they could cuff him.

  49. @Cloudbuster
    @The Alarmist

    numerous heavily-armed SWAT teams with Psych degrees

    Have you ever met any psych. majors? That's the most frightening thing I've read today.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Mr. Anon

    Have you ever met any psych. majors? That’s the most frightening thing I’ve read today.

    I bet a lot of psychopaths are psych. majors. Ted Bundy was a psych. major.

  50. @The Alarmist

    ... you wind up with the nice lady social worker being taken hostage.
     
    What's that old saying, that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged?

    What we're going to end up with are numerous heavily-armed SWAT teams with Psych degrees being mandatory for employment. Seriously, the Dept. of Ed already has its own SWAT teams.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Achmed E. Newman, @The Plutonium Kid

    “What’s that old saying, that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged?”

    A liberal is a conservative who’s been arrested.

    And a libertarian is a Republican who uses drugs.

    • LOL: The Alarmist
    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
    @The Plutonium Kid

    I agree that you'd have to be on drugs to take libertarianism seriously.

  51. @HammerJack
    @ATBOTL

    Your points are well taken. Only this:


    Most white and even Hispanic minor disputes can probably dealt with by unarmed parking enforcement type people.
     
    I'd like to think so, Fred and Ron would like to think so, but in actual fact a lot of latino 'events' involve drunk driving and killing people, and molesting young relatives. So yeah, social workers.

    Replies: @bomag, @Alden

    Exactly right. One problem with these Hispanic shoot outs is the custom of inter generational parties where every friend and relative and friends of friends is invited to every event.

    Amazing how Hispanic events like baby showers, baptism parties and 7 year old’s birthday parties end up in brawls and killings. It’s really a nice custom until it ends badly.

    Usually the police are called after there’s a dead body and serious injuries.

    I’d like to know where all these trained expert social workers are going to come from. They’ll all be black and Hispanic of course. So will the experienced social workers be transferred to overnight duty? Or will the new trainees be sent out to deescalate?

  52. Officer friend told me a story of being called to 2 gay men roommates who were deputy sheriffs. They were breaking up. Well, one was breaking up, the other was devastated. Dispute was the rejected one demanded one last kiss before he left. Officers negotiated a hug rejected one handed over his keys one officer walked the rejected one to his car, the other advised immediate lock change.

    Gays tend to call the police over domestic problems much more than straights . Black women have a nasty habit of calling in child neglect on each other. Most of the time it’s not true. But the matter must be investigated by both police and social workers. It’s just one more cost of wrangling the blacks. They’re the biggest child abuse neglect cases already a huge expense.

  53. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Achmed E. Newman

    My vague impression is that the the huge arming up of federal agencies after 9/11 did a lot for cutting the crime rate and raising real estate prices in Washington DC.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Lot

    Nah, just the rapid growth in big fed generally boosted incomes. Suburban DC also became a good place to have a giant corporate HQ, big pool of educated white collar workers and cheaper than NYC/Boston/SF, nicer than Chicago and Philly.

    AOL was probably the big leader. Latest giant corp to move their HQ to NoVa was Nestle USA, after decades in Glendale, California.

    FBI and Federal Marshall Service might have got more militarized, but they are pretty decentralized. HHS and the GAO, no. And the military itself got bigger under Bush II.

    Baltimore is horrible, but property values benefited from the regional boost just like DC.

  54. @Kronos
    @Steve Sailer

    I always got a kick that the Department of Education once acquired it’s own SWAT team.

    https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/beware-the-us-education-department-swat-team

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sBAYPK1COQM/TfF3kpZd7wI/AAAAAAAAB68/3URsGmSB5zI/s1600/OIG.png

    “You’ve been skipping school for three days Carlos, we’re taking you in on a “no-knock” raid education warrant.”

    Replies: @Pericles

    “That’s it, Carlos. You’re going to ‘The Warehouse’ now.”

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Pericles

    I can see them calling a heavily African American school a “Black-site.”

  55. Female cops are the most violent, particularly towards other women (especially attractive ones). They have a chip on their shoulder and something to prove to their male counterparts.

    The problem is that, if you call a cop on a mentally ill person or a domestic disturbance, as a practical matter, things will not end well. Cops are trained to kick the shit out of people and take them to jail, not resolve mentally ill people’s issues or domestic disturbances.

    I’m not sure social workers will make much of a difference other than to inflate the bureaucracy and reduce the use of the Monadnock baton to the head.

  56. @AnotherDad
    @ATBOTL


    This is one of these proposals that would probably be a good idea if there were no blacks in America.
     
    Though blacks generate far more "problems" than other groups, it isn't just "blacks".

    It's "diversity".

    When your society is inhabited by one people with a common culture, while there are interpersonal disputes, there are also well understood cultural "rules" and informal community "dispute resolution", so anything and everything does not escalate to "police matter".

    When your are "blessed by diversity", and have disparate peoples interacting these common understandings and the effectiveness of informal community resolution starts falling away.

    But even worse under minoritarianism--minorities oppressed/virtuous, majorities oppressive/evil-- the authority of the nation's majority culture is specifically kicked away. Then you have *no* common understand of how anything is supposed to work. And worse minorities--like blacks--are specifically encouraged, prompted to reject--and get pissed off about--the majorities notions of appropriate behavior. Even stuff that would be just plain old common sense in *any* unitary culture--hey don't blast your stereo at 2. a.m.--is can not be resolved by appeal to common culture/sense. Anything and everything is a "police matter".

    Minoritarianism, and those who push it and preach it, are cancers upon any nation, upon humanity.

    Replies: @Gabe Ruth, @anonymous1963, @Mike_from_SGV

    Good points, but I’d argue that scale is at least as important, probably more so. That’s why I actually love the idea of community policing, understood as community norm enforcement. Of course there might be a slight uptick in neighborhood segregation, which you and I know would be just terrible.

  57. @Henry's Cat
    Women cops are meant to be better at conflict resolution, but are there any statistical surveys that try and model that?

    Replies: @Cortes

    Perhaps women should be sent in as first responders in every circumstance. Let’s allow them to reach their potential without obstacles in any kind of emergency callout.

    Maybe bring in the men to sweep up the mess from the roads.

    Once the crisis has been resolved.

  58. @Chrisnonymous
    @Hypnotoad666

    This is not always the case. I can very easily imagine mentally deranged people who wouldn't respond in a rational way to a gun. I have actually seen such an instance on video where a boy with a screwdriver was shot by police. He didn't have to be. It was pretty obvious there was nothing they were going to say that would make him drop the screwdriver. On the other hand, he wasn't threatening anyone and was just standing there. I agree with Steve's post, although I do think that mental health cases probably should receive slightly different training. For example, if the person is not holding a projectile weapon, guns should stay in holsters.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Diversity Heretic

    For example, if the person is not holding a projectile weapon, guns should stay in holsters.

    Get back to me after completing training where a guy rushes you with a screw driver.

  59. @Gamecock
    My small town has a gazillion cops. When I asked a mid level administrator why so many, he exclaimed, "We need more!"

    WTF? He said most of their calls were non-reportable. I didn't ask for details, but I got the impression that most didn't need a policeman at all, just somebody. And the dispatcher won't tell people, "No, ma'am. We're the police. We can't help with your stuck cat."

    'unarmed emergency responders for non-violent calls for service.'

    The calls are always non-violent.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Back when the Washington Post was a real paper, they did an analysis of 911 calls, and they found that something like, IIRC, 200 numbers made up 20% of 911 calls. These people called for everything.

    The city’s solution was to encourage people to call 311 for non-emergency calls.

    • Replies: @Gamecock
    @Jim Don Bob

    Good info, JDB.

    When people hear stories of people calling 911 because McDonalds is out of McNuggets, they think people foolish for calling the police over it.

    They fail to understand that they just called the wrong number.

    Seems to me vast savings could be had in policing if agencies were audited to insure they just did police work.

    Probably savings in fire departments, too, if they refused to 'rescue' cats 'stuck' in trees.

  60. Who in hell watches tv anymore?

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  61. “So then you sent the social worker and two policemen and …”

    Socialist and communist “solutions” lead to an endless chain of ever more imbecilic, expensive, bloody consequences.

    [Convicted,] former NYPD Commissioner Bernie Kerik was on Tucker Carlson tonight, and he argued, persuasively I might add, that Bill de Blah Blah Blah’s destruction of NYC was premeditated.

    The stupidity, evil, etc., are not flaws but features. People like de Blasio are not “utopians,” but dystopians.

  62. @Pericles
    @Kronos

    "That's it, Carlos. You're going to 'The Warehouse' now."

    Replies: @Kronos

    I can see them calling a heavily African American school a “Black-site.”

  63. @More R1b, Less H1B
    'Defund the police and replace them with BIPOC LGBTQ+ social workers' is one of those policy positions advocated by people who are either so naïve or self-absorbed that they imagine every single human being on this gay blue orb thinks, acts, and reacts to the world the same as they do.

    Nebbish suburban fags, bicycling Jews with Crohn's disease, 85% European-admixture mulattas big on #BLM who work at Deloitte: all of them can't fathom that some black yoof in Englewood (who grew up with no male role models, yet experienced horrific violence from the few men who passed over his doorstep throughout childhood) reacts to frustration or humiliation differently than they do.

    They think that a domestic conflict can be de-escalated by police on command as if it was some simple mechanical or chemical process because they can be cooled off by being told to stand in a corner. The most pressing issue of our time is how to get these people to stand in the fucking corner and fiddle with their buttplugs instead of destroying their own civilization.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    “They think that a domestic conflict can be de-escalated by police on command as if it was some simple mechanical or chemical process because they can be cooled off by being told to stand in a corner.”

    I don’t think they want “de-escalation.” They handcuff the police, because they want more cops killed.

    Training cops to act like pansies will only escalate violence. As policemen have understood for generations, the best method of de-escalation is a show of unstoppable force. The bad guys then see the situation as unwinnable, and typically immediately surrender. (Otherwise, they die, which is the ideal result.) It is when the cops look weak that the bad guys are emboldened to resist.

  64. @AnotherDad
    @ATBOTL


    This is one of these proposals that would probably be a good idea if there were no blacks in America.
     
    Though blacks generate far more "problems" than other groups, it isn't just "blacks".

    It's "diversity".

    When your society is inhabited by one people with a common culture, while there are interpersonal disputes, there are also well understood cultural "rules" and informal community "dispute resolution", so anything and everything does not escalate to "police matter".

    When your are "blessed by diversity", and have disparate peoples interacting these common understandings and the effectiveness of informal community resolution starts falling away.

    But even worse under minoritarianism--minorities oppressed/virtuous, majorities oppressive/evil-- the authority of the nation's majority culture is specifically kicked away. Then you have *no* common understand of how anything is supposed to work. And worse minorities--like blacks--are specifically encouraged, prompted to reject--and get pissed off about--the majorities notions of appropriate behavior. Even stuff that would be just plain old common sense in *any* unitary culture--hey don't blast your stereo at 2. a.m.--is can not be resolved by appeal to common culture/sense. Anything and everything is a "police matter".

    Minoritarianism, and those who push it and preach it, are cancers upon any nation, upon humanity.

    Replies: @Gabe Ruth, @anonymous1963, @Mike_from_SGV

    Very well said. (I have already used the AGREE button).

  65. @Hypnotoad666
    Having a gun, a badge, and a set of handcuffs tend to improve one's effectiveness at dispute resolution. When the unarmed social worker shows up to close down a loud party or get a psychotic homeless person to move along, the people involved will basically tell her to f*ck off.

    It's the same mistake people make in foreign affairs when they insist all problems can be worked out through "diplomacy" instead of force. Diplomacy is only effective when it's backed by the threat of force.

    You can only get so far whining: "ah, c'mon dude, that's not cool, can you please do what I want instead of what you want."

    In the end, Steve's right, they will have to send cops to protect the social workers and we'll end up with double the bureaucracy. I further predict that the social workers will eventually morph into ride-along commisars.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Dube, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Diversity Heretic

    It’s the same mistake people make in foreign affairs when they insist all problems can be worked out through “diplomacy” instead of force. Diplomacy is only effective when it’s backed by the threat of force.

    Witness the relative effectiveness of the US’s efforts at nuclear nonproliferation, vs Israel’s. Instead of pleading endlessly, Israel just up and destroyed Iraq’s reactor (June 1982) and Syria’s (September 2007) from the air.

  66. @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Alarmist

    People would be amazed at how many different offices of the US Feral Government have thousands of people that go down to Glynn County, Georgia* to train for shooting. The Bureau of Labor Statistics, really? (OK, I jest on that one!)

    .

    * Yep, that Glynn county, where Brunswick is, but just across the road from the Golden Isles (GlynnCo) airoprt.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Diversity Heretic

    I’m surprised agencies in the greater Washington DC area don’t use the Marine Corps base at Quantico for firearms training. IIRC, that’s where the FBI trains.

  67. @The Plutonium Kid
    @The Alarmist

    "What’s that old saying, that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged?"

    A liberal is a conservative who's been arrested.

    And a libertarian is a Republican who uses drugs.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro

    I agree that you’d have to be on drugs to take libertarianism seriously.

  68. @Hypnotoad666
    Having a gun, a badge, and a set of handcuffs tend to improve one's effectiveness at dispute resolution. When the unarmed social worker shows up to close down a loud party or get a psychotic homeless person to move along, the people involved will basically tell her to f*ck off.

    It's the same mistake people make in foreign affairs when they insist all problems can be worked out through "diplomacy" instead of force. Diplomacy is only effective when it's backed by the threat of force.

    You can only get so far whining: "ah, c'mon dude, that's not cool, can you please do what I want instead of what you want."

    In the end, Steve's right, they will have to send cops to protect the social workers and we'll end up with double the bureaucracy. I further predict that the social workers will eventually morph into ride-along commisars.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Dube, @AnotherDad, @International Jew, @Diversity Heretic

    “Diplomacy without arms is like music without instruments.”

    Quote attributed to Frederick the Great.

  69. @Chrisnonymous
    @Hypnotoad666

    This is not always the case. I can very easily imagine mentally deranged people who wouldn't respond in a rational way to a gun. I have actually seen such an instance on video where a boy with a screwdriver was shot by police. He didn't have to be. It was pretty obvious there was nothing they were going to say that would make him drop the screwdriver. On the other hand, he wasn't threatening anyone and was just standing there. I agree with Steve's post, although I do think that mental health cases probably should receive slightly different training. For example, if the person is not holding a projectile weapon, guns should stay in holsters.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Diversity Heretic

    If an adversary is less than 21 feet away there’s no way that a shooter can draw and fire an aimed shot before the adversary is upon him. If the adversary has any kind of an edged weapon, he’ll be able to use it. Police officers are generally trained to back up when drawing their sidearms upon being rushed to give them a little more time to draw and fire. And that assumes that the shot stops the attacker, which isn’t always the case. There’s a vigorous debate about the stopping power of various handgun cartridges.

  70. @AnotherDad
    @ATBOTL


    This is one of these proposals that would probably be a good idea if there were no blacks in America.
     
    Though blacks generate far more "problems" than other groups, it isn't just "blacks".

    It's "diversity".

    When your society is inhabited by one people with a common culture, while there are interpersonal disputes, there are also well understood cultural "rules" and informal community "dispute resolution", so anything and everything does not escalate to "police matter".

    When your are "blessed by diversity", and have disparate peoples interacting these common understandings and the effectiveness of informal community resolution starts falling away.

    But even worse under minoritarianism--minorities oppressed/virtuous, majorities oppressive/evil-- the authority of the nation's majority culture is specifically kicked away. Then you have *no* common understand of how anything is supposed to work. And worse minorities--like blacks--are specifically encouraged, prompted to reject--and get pissed off about--the majorities notions of appropriate behavior. Even stuff that would be just plain old common sense in *any* unitary culture--hey don't blast your stereo at 2. a.m.--is can not be resolved by appeal to common culture/sense. Anything and everything is a "police matter".

    Minoritarianism, and those who push it and preach it, are cancers upon any nation, upon humanity.

    Replies: @Gabe Ruth, @anonymous1963, @Mike_from_SGV

    This country would save an enormous amount of problems and money if the different groups were kept physically separate, similar to in a zoo where the lions, lizards, and monkeys etc are not allowed to interact. Diversity is not strength, it’s a huge money sink.

  71. Something has gone awry when the police is not seen as “community-based”. On the other hand, I’ve been drinking with local cops and I sure as hell didn’t banter about my cannonball runs, the contraband and other stuff, that you would normally do.
    Must be socially lonely to be a cop. Maybe Cop Land isn’t fiction.

  72. @Andrew M
    It’s worth a try. Over time, the 911 call handlers will learn which calls require an armed officer and which calls require something else.

    The bigger problem is perhaps that it risks over-burdening the social workers. Under the old system, a homeless drunk shouting at passers-by gets locked up for 24 hours, then released back to the streets. Under the new system, the same homeless drunk gets sent to a detox clinic, gets some housing provided, training, help to find a job, etc. - which all ends up costing a lot more. Morally though, the latter seems like the far better outcome.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Fish-eater

    Of all the detoxified and newly housed drunks, what percentage will really change so as not to get drunk again and stay employed?

  73. In the town where I went to high school, some piece of s*** (a white guy, I’ll have you know) murdered a social worker who was taking his child into protective custody. The social worker arrived at the house alone, knocked on the door, he came out on the porch, knocked her down, and kicked her in the head. She died later of her injuries. He murdered her without a weapon, so technically he was “unarmed.”

    Presumably she was taking the child into protective custody because the father was a threat, yet the state still sent the 50-something female social worker to the house alone (as far as I know).

  74. @Jim Don Bob
    @Gamecock

    Back when the Washington Post was a real paper, they did an analysis of 911 calls, and they found that something like, IIRC, 200 numbers made up 20% of 911 calls. These people called for everything.

    The city's solution was to encourage people to call 311 for non-emergency calls.

    Replies: @Gamecock

    Good info, JDB.

    When people hear stories of people calling 911 because McDonalds is out of McNuggets, they think people foolish for calling the police over it.

    They fail to understand that they just called the wrong number.

    Seems to me vast savings could be had in policing if agencies were audited to insure they just did police work.

    Probably savings in fire departments, too, if they refused to ‘rescue’ cats ‘stuck’ in trees.

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