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Slate’s film critic realizes her entire worldview was a fraud:

The Harvey Weinstein Scandal Is Changing How I Look at the Movies

Just as the election challenged my perception of America, the past week has transformed my whole understanding of Hollywood.

By Dana Stevens
OCT. 13, 2017, 1:50 PM

For the past week I’ve been pacing my apartment in a hypomanic state, pretending to get work done while following—probably more closely than anyone who aspires to sanity should—the Harvey Weinstein scandal, with its ever-steepening crescendo of allegations that the fabled indie producer carried on a 30-year side career as a deliberate and ruthless sexual predator. …

Experientially, for me at least, and I believe for many women, this week has felt more than anything like a show business–themed reboot of the horrible seven days that followed the election of Donald Trump, almost a year ago now. There’s that same sense of reality shifting to reveal a hidden and perverse order, one that was there all along—we sensed it obliquely, even made jokes about it—but that had never before been put on such blatant, obscene display. …

That’s what makes this serial-abuser story different from that of, say, Bill Cosby: Harvey Weinstein wasn’t just a highly successful individual but the creator and maintainer of a whole production line of success, known for his bullheaded but unstoppable Oscar campaigns, often for films starring and marketed to women (Chocolat, Emma, Shakespeare in Love).

The movie industry I’ve known for the past 30 years—and written about for more than a third of that time—is reconstituting itself in my mind this week like pieces of a broken mirror being glued back in place, the cracks now forever visible.

Okaaay …

 
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  1. OT- Pew research center finally figures it out:

    Economists and social scientists have gathered multitudes of data about Millennials’ tendency to delay the traditional milestones of maturity (starting a career, getting married, buying a home, having kids) in favor of a prolonged adolescence.

    But in a new study examining household formation patterns in the US, Pew Research Center has isolated the biggest factor behind the rise in those households without a partner or spouse: “The declining ability of men to earn a salary large enough to sustain a family.”

    but of course, hardest hit…

    Instead, analysts said, the decline in both marriage and partnerships “All signs point to the growing fragility of the male wage earner,” said Cheryl Russell, a demographer and editorial director at the New Strategist Press. “The demographic segments most likely to be living without a partner are the ones in which men are struggling the most — young adults, the less educated, Hispanics, and blacks.”

    “The point at which the average young man becomes ‘marriageable’ appears to be earnings of $40,000 a year or more,” Russell said.

    That last sentence is brutal.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-13/millennials-are-delaying-marraige-because-men-arent-earning-enough

    • Replies: @Guy de Champlagne
    @27 year old

    but of course, hardest hit…

    Those groups are legitimately the hardest hit. This is not one of those "World Ends, Blacks and Hispanics Hardest Hit" type things. Moynihan first called the alarm about this trend over 50 years ago and it's only gotten worse.

    Replies: @Big Bill, @EdwardM

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @27 year old

    A 30% tariff would raise many young men over the $40 K threshold.

    Bring back the Republican Tariff.

    , @Lagertha
    @27 year old

    Well, and HS/College women are taught that they don't need a man. Pew research forgets that Millennial men are marrying East Asian women and younger women more than their actual age/peer group. And, yes, with all the happy-talk about diversity, minority men are left even further behind white men as far as "show me the money." And, no ads showing multiculturalism, leads to people finding bliss.

    , @Anon
    @27 year old

    But Mexican-American males seem to have families by earning much less.

    I guess both Mex men and women have lower expectations and more content with less.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @27 year old

    $40,000 maybe in Houston. On the coasts, I'd say more like $75,000.

  2. What’s up with these people….pacing their apartment in a hypomanic state..Remember when Trump was elected they curled up on their bathroom floor going through rolls of toilet paper while crying. Weak to say the least. Surprised they didn’t lemming themselves off a cliff after Hillary lost.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Buffalo Joe

    SNL should have a lot of great material this week, oh wait...

    Replies: @AM

    , @Lurker
    @Buffalo Joe


    Surprised they didn’t lemming themselves off a cliff after Hillary lost.
     
    Saddened rather surprised.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Buffalo Joe


    Surprised they didn’t lemming themselves off a cliff after Hillary lost.
     
    If only....
  3. I think the idea a lot of people have is to ignore this story and try to get it in the memory hole as fast as possible. Wienstein had at least 13 extra years on his career when the original stories about him in 2004 were killed off. Do you think the late night hosts are going to be making Weinstein jokes for the next few years? This story is intended to be gone and done with by monday.

    October for jews represents a time for ‘washing away’. This almost seems like a limited hangout, to pick the low hanging, ripe fruit off the tree so the rest can continue to grow, or maybe a controlled burn of a forest so new, more perverted trees can grow in place of the old.

    this one guy went too far: archive.is/noQMI http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/246724/the-specifically-jewy-perviness-of-harvey-weinstein and had to apologize. And too many people rip on the Gawker, but that was an amazing news source. http://defamer.gawker.com/tell-us-what-you-know-about-harvey-weinsteins-open-sec-1695071092

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Cucksworth

    Right, this is being framed in the media as a "man" problem, just like sexual assault at universities by black athletes is.

    , @anon
    @Cucksworth

    It's pervieness all right.

    Weinstein is a subbie. Exposing himself. Begging for a massage instead of simply demanding sex.

    Anthony Wiener also. A flasher. At least he wasn't physically repellant but more than made up for that by hitting on under age girls.

    Rapists don't typically take their clothes off and beg for sex. And women who went for these invitations? It is an admission that they agreed to undesirable sex to further their careers. Why not frame yourself as a rape victim?

    Women seem to be especially repulsed by the submissive male behavior. They are lining up for 50 Shades, no? There is more than enough to justify outrage, but on a deep, emotional level -- it repulses them. To be subjected to a guy debasing and humiliating himself. Ugly on top of it all.

    Sexual harassment is an abuse of power, but Weinstein batted from the other side. The power, which is essential to the harassment charge, is the second order power of getting away with it.

    Bet the author of this piece is on the bandwagon for Trans. But a man acting a little subby rattles the foundation of their world view.

    Replies: @anon, @Lurker, @dfordoom, @Bernardista

  4. How many Jewesses are accusing Weinstein?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Horseball

    Offhand, I can think of one and a half, Lauren Sivan and Gwyneth Paltrow. Why don't you investigate more and let us know the definitive number?

    , @a reader
    @Horseball

    French actress Eva Green recently added her voice to the choir.

  5. The world is full of stupid people, the media is no exception.

    • Replies: @AM
    @jcd1974


    The world is full of stupid people, the media is no exception.
     
    The media is a concentration of them and their collective IQ results testify to that.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

  6. …like pieces of a broken mirror being glued back in place, the cracks now forever visible.

    More broken glass! What is it about that theme that has such appeal to these women?

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @AM
    @Buzz Mohawk


    More broken glass! What is it about that theme that has such appeal to these women?
     
    Dramatic! Narcissistic!
    , @Alden
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I think the pieces of a broken mirror being put back together is a rip off from a feminazi review of an incoherent Maya Angelou novel.

    The idea was read the worthless book and try to figure it out. Pieces of a broken mirror comes up a lot in feminazi garbling.

    The casting couch and perversion hasn't changed in 100 years. Check out this book by Scotty Bowers. "Confessions of a sex escort to the stars"

    Everyone knows about the casting couch, the drugs, drink and sex. All this horror and disbelief are just falsehoods.

    Replies: @Che Guava

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Just run an image search for book covers and broken mirrors. It's pretty much the default title for (a) pop-psychology self-help pablum and (b) bodice-rippers and other turgid fictions constructed solely for the "older women's" market. Big Film is pretty much of a piece with that sort of stuff.

    Which leads us to the question; why does the idea of one's admired and perpetually-checked image being disrupted have such an impact and cause so much angst? (Women are entirely subjective in their thought-processes; all the mirrors in the world contain the portrait of just one special person).

    Mirrors have been a prime signifier of female identity (in Europe) since the late bronze age at least, goddesses carry them, and so do tombstones, even among remote savages (Picts cough cough). Hard to smash a cast bronze one, mind you. An acid attack would do the trick.

    Replies: @Mike Zwick

  7. Speaking of ‘ever-steepening crescendos,’ what is the record for the world’s longest collective nervous breakdown?

    • Replies: @AM
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Speaking of ‘ever-steepening crescendos,’ what is the record for the world’s longest collective nervous breakdown?
     
    It will be 4 or 8 years, depending on if Trump is re-elected.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    , @Forbes
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Well, the Dems have been doing it since November 9, 2016. I assume that's the record.

    , @njguy73
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Speaking of ‘ever-steepening crescendos,’ what is the record for the world’s longest collective nervous breakdown?
     
    All of Europe, 1914-1945.
    , @unpc downunder
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    People don't have nervous breakdowns anymore, they have mental disorders. This subtle difference is very important to the sales of anti-depressants, which are claimed to resolve neurotransmitter imbalances in the brain.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Ivy

    , @Laugh Track
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Speaking of ‘ever-steepening crescendos,’ what is the record for the world’s longest collective nervous breakdown?
     
    In my own lifetime, I reckon the stretch from Nov. 1963 through to the collapse of the Soviet Union and Bloc in 1992. A veritable feast of nervous breakdowns throughout those three decades, at least in the U.S.

    If we truly want "the world’s longest collective nervous breakdown", I suppose there might be extended periods such as the fall of the Roman Empire or the history of France from the French Revolution through most of the 19th century. I'm not up on Chinese history so there may be impressively long periods of collective nervous breakdown in their history that I don't know about.
  8. Mark Dice’s running gag is “Liberalism is mental disorder – help find the cure”

    It’s true. I have no idea how these authors function at this level of naivety.

    The question is, how do you write about Hollywood for 10+ years and not “get” there are slimeballs running the place?

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @AM

    I get that it’s not gallant to gain sexual access to women via a quid pro such as a movie role for a tumble. It’s not gentlemanly. But slimeballery? That’s harsh. He had something that they wanted. They had something that he wanted. An offer was made. A deal was reached. Crass, perhaps, but not slimy.

  9. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Speaking of 'ever-steepening crescendos,' what is the record for the world's longest collective nervous breakdown?

    Replies: @AM, @Forbes, @njguy73, @unpc downunder, @Laugh Track

    Speaking of ‘ever-steepening crescendos,’ what is the record for the world’s longest collective nervous breakdown?

    It will be 4 or 8 years, depending on if Trump is re-elected.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @AM

    So 12 years then.

  10. @27 year old
    OT- Pew research center finally figures it out:

    Economists and social scientists have gathered multitudes of data about Millennials’ tendency to delay the traditional milestones of maturity (starting a career, getting married, buying a home, having kids) in favor of a prolonged adolescence.

    But in a new study examining household formation patterns in the US, Pew Research Center has isolated the biggest factor behind the rise in those households without a partner or spouse: “The declining ability of men to earn a salary large enough to sustain a family.”
     
    but of course, hardest hit...

    Instead, analysts said, the decline in both marriage and partnerships “All signs point to the growing fragility of the male wage earner,” said Cheryl Russell, a demographer and editorial director at the New Strategist Press. “The demographic segments most likely to be living without a partner are the ones in which men are struggling the most — young adults, the less educated, Hispanics, and blacks.”

    “The point at which the average young man becomes ‘marriageable’ appears to be earnings of $40,000 a year or more,” Russell said.
     
    That last sentence is brutal.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-13/millennials-are-delaying-marraige-because-men-arent-earning-enough

    Replies: @Guy de Champlagne, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Lagertha, @Anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    but of course, hardest hit…

    Those groups are legitimately the hardest hit. This is not one of those “World Ends, Blacks and Hispanics Hardest Hit” type things. Moynihan first called the alarm about this trend over 50 years ago and it’s only gotten worse.

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    @Guy de Champlagne

    Strangely, Professional Negroes cheer the rainbow alliance and welcome immigrants as their bestest buddies ... all the Professional Negroes of The Root, Slate, Salon, NYT, and WaPo, anyway.

    I can't shake the feeling that Professional Negroes really don't care what happens to colored folk who didn't get into Harvard and don't summer on Martha's Vineyard..

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @EdwardM
    @Guy de Champlagne

    OT, but since James Taranto is no longer doing "Best of the Web Today" (not sure if James Freeman continues this meme since my subscription lapsed), from the San Francisco Chronicle: Northern California fires destroy agriculture, organic farms hardest hit.

    http://www.sfgate.com/food/article/Wine-Country-Fires-damage-organic-farms-12271252.php

  11. And yet you people enthusiastically voted a sexual harasser into the Oval Office in the 1990s.

    OT: I’m taking a break, perhaps permanently, from iSteve. Lot of reasons, but I’m spending way too much time here, and I have bigger priorities in my life than politics now. I’m not so arrogant to think that people care (or should care)-I’m just posting this for the record to make sure I stick to this promise. I’ve learned a lot here and am grateful.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @nebulafox

    Take care!

    Also:


    reality shifting to reveal a hidden and perverse order,
     
    "Foucault's Pendulum II: The Return Of the Perverse Order"

    smug_anime_girl.jpg

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @nebulafox

    Best of luck to you.

    I think Steve interweaves some kind of subliminal material here that stimulates dopamine production.

    I tried to leave once. That failed, and I'm not even an addictive person. Now I've lost everything because of my iSteve habit. All my friends have left me, and I'm living in a cardboard box behind a dumpster.

    But there's WiFi here!

    Replies: @Lagertha, @ATX Hipster

    , @anonymous
    @nebulafox


    I’m taking a break, perhaps permanently, from iSteve.
     
    Suggestion. Don’t put pressure on yourself. Take 90 days off and re-evaluate. Hopefully, your bigger priorities have a degree of fun involved. Prodigals are always welcomed to return.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @nebulafox


    And yet you people enthusiastically voted a sexual harasser into the Oval Office in the 1990s.
     
    You people? Really?

    Well, I did not. And I imagine that the majority of readers here did not. And also the majority of posters did not. Tiny Duck did, and Truth did, and Corvinus did, but nobody else did.

    Replies: @Bill

    , @dr kill
    @nebulafox

    You People means not an American voter. Settle down.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @nebulafox

    I tried to leave last year...

    Talk to you next month!

    , @anon
    @nebulafox

    Good luck.

    The quality of some of your extended comments was shockingly good.

  12. @Buzz Mohawk

    ...like pieces of a broken mirror being glued back in place, the cracks now forever visible.
     
    More broken glass! What is it about that theme that has such appeal to these women?

    Replies: @AM, @Alden, @Expletive Deleted

    More broken glass! What is it about that theme that has such appeal to these women?

    Dramatic! Narcissistic!

  13. Steve posts Casablanca film clip for the 123rd time in…2…1…

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Forbes

    People under 40, who ain’t “film buffs” have never seen Casablanca. By the way, I thought iSteve did a nice job of pointing out that Rains “shocked, shocked” isn’t remembered correctly.

    Replies: @Alden

  14. @jcd1974
    The world is full of stupid people, the media is no exception.

    Replies: @AM

    The world is full of stupid people, the media is no exception.

    The media is a concentration of them and their collective IQ results testify to that.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @AM


    The media is a concentration of them and their collective IQ results testify to that.
     
    Too true - if I could have, I would have done an "Agree" - but I am still in the transition wilderness.
  15. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Speaking of 'ever-steepening crescendos,' what is the record for the world's longest collective nervous breakdown?

    Replies: @AM, @Forbes, @njguy73, @unpc downunder, @Laugh Track

    Well, the Dems have been doing it since November 9, 2016. I assume that’s the record.

  16. @Cucksworth
    I think the idea a lot of people have is to ignore this story and try to get it in the memory hole as fast as possible. Wienstein had at least 13 extra years on his career when the original stories about him in 2004 were killed off. Do you think the late night hosts are going to be making Weinstein jokes for the next few years? This story is intended to be gone and done with by monday.

    October for jews represents a time for 'washing away'. This almost seems like a limited hangout, to pick the low hanging, ripe fruit off the tree so the rest can continue to grow, or maybe a controlled burn of a forest so new, more perverted trees can grow in place of the old.

    this one guy went too far: archive.is/noQMI http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/246724/the-specifically-jewy-perviness-of-harvey-weinstein and had to apologize. And too many people rip on the Gawker, but that was an amazing news source. http://defamer.gawker.com/tell-us-what-you-know-about-harvey-weinsteins-open-sec-1695071092

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon

    Right, this is being framed in the media as a “man” problem, just like sexual assault at universities by black athletes is.

  17. @Buffalo Joe
    What's up with these people....pacing their apartment in a hypomanic state..Remember when Trump was elected they curled up on their bathroom floor going through rolls of toilet paper while crying. Weak to say the least. Surprised they didn't lemming themselves off a cliff after Hillary lost.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Lurker, @Jus' Sayin'...

    SNL should have a lot of great material this week, oh wait…

    • Replies: @AM
    @Ivy


    SNL should have a lot of great material this week, oh wait…
     
    SNL doesn't go after "New Yorkers" - snicker
  18. @nebulafox
    And yet you people enthusiastically voted a sexual harasser into the Oval Office in the 1990s.

    OT: I'm taking a break, perhaps permanently, from iSteve. Lot of reasons, but I'm spending way too much time here, and I have bigger priorities in my life than politics now. I'm not so arrogant to think that people care (or should care)-I'm just posting this for the record to make sure I stick to this promise. I've learned a lot here and am grateful.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Buzz Mohawk, @anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @dr kill, @Chrisnonymous, @anon

    Take care!

    Also:

    reality shifting to reveal a hidden and perverse order,

    “Foucault’s Pendulum II: The Return Of the Perverse Order”

    smug_anime_girl.jpg

  19. @Horseball
    How many Jewesses are accusing Weinstein?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @a reader

    Offhand, I can think of one and a half, Lauren Sivan and Gwyneth Paltrow. Why don’t you investigate more and let us know the definitive number?

  20. 1/ Can’t imagine why Garbo wanted to be left alone.

    2/ There may come a time when a hard-boiled employer thinks you’re awful nice, but get that ice, or else no dice.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anony-mouse

    He's your guy
    When stocks are high
    But beware when they start to descend
    Because that's when those louses
    Go back to their spouses

    Replies: @Clyde

  21. OT: Another Russian-financed social media false flag operation? Nope, she the actual Deputy Secretary General of NATO:

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    @Cagey Beast

    It's interesting that the LGBT pride flag has the primary colour red at the top. A reminder perhaps, that all LGBTs owe their allegiance to the liberal left.

    , @NickG
    @Cagey Beast

    Henceforth it's 'Sodding NATO'.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Cagey Beast

    Have a look at the reply tweets.

    Replies: @dr kill

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Cagey Beast

    I know it's been posted before, but this (and "I want to be a woman") was prophecy when we thought it was comedy.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5Dfs7jqFI

    , @Alden
    @Cagey Beast

    At first glance it looks like some kind of Satanic temple thing.

    I always thought NATO was a coalition of European and American military? Shouldn't it be led by a general??? Is she a civilian? Did she even go through basic training??? Did she go to officer college? Did she learn about strategy and tactics? Does she know about the major battlegrounds of Europe, where they are and the passes through the mountains etc? Can she fire a pistol or even a little BB gun rifle like kids have? Does she know about feeding, clothing, and moving hundreds of thousands of troops around?

    NATO has always been diversity and inclusion, White soldiers, sailors and airmen, men and women, fighters and support troops; people from N. America, and Iceland to Greece. Totally inclusive.

    , @The True and Original David
    @Cagey Beast

    "NATO is committed to diversity and inclusion - these values make us stronger and safer."

    Well, they make someone stronger and safer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90sNQ9NOy5I
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtfNksBbidw

    , @Laugh Track
    @Cagey Beast


    OT: Another Russian-financed social media false flag operation? Nope, she the actual Deputy Secretary General of NATO
     
    I can't imagine a clearer image of Globalist solidarity than this. " 'We've gotten ourselves into positions of impregnable influence and the rest of you had better swallow and accept it or be singled out as deplorables. 'Diversity and inclusion' are unchallengeable values. Take heed!"

    I'm beginning to understand Trump yanking the US out of UNESCO.

    I'm also beginning to understand why I ran into backlash as a child in the 50's when I went Trick 'r Treating with a UNICEF bucket for contributions. The Globalists had "appropriated" a relatively innocent children's holiday to harvest $ for their programs. I was a tool.

    My bad!
    , @Expletive Deleted
    @Cagey Beast

    Please sir may we be excused? Chuck us out of this awful expensive club, into the briar patch. You can have Trident and any other white elephants. Being invaded by the Ivans is probably too good for us, in our present condition.

  22. @anony-mouse
    1/ Can't imagine why Garbo wanted to be left alone.

    2/ There may come a time when a hard-boiled employer thinks you're awful nice, but get that ice, or else no dice.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    He’s your guy
    When stocks are high
    But beware when they start to descend
    Because that’s when those louses
    Go back to their spouses

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Steve Sailer

    Hilarious and witty lyrics. I had to look it up.

  23. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    So Dana Stevens is the only one who didn’t know about Wienstien? LOL> Of course they all knew it, but now Twitter is blowing up with all of the celebrities and hang arounds trying to get ahead of this storm. Nobody knew anything. They are all full of shit. One thing is certain, these things usually don’t stop with one individual. The best is yet to come.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    @anonymous

    Meryl Streep had no idea. Of course she was sitting in the audience at the Oscars in 2013, nominated for Best Supporting Actress, when Seth Macfarlane joked that the nominees for that award would no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein, but I'm sure she either wasn't listening or couldn't understand what he meant. People who've been in Hollywood their entire adult lives tend to be very sheltered so I'm sure this joke (if she heard it) was confusing and didn't really register any meaning at all

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon

    , @Anon
    @anonymous

    I don't think her shock is over there being filth and corruption in Hollywood. The problem here is Weinstein was out there as the champion of foreign films, art cinema, independent cinema, and those proggy documentaries that catered to her ilk. It's her shock that someone so 'boing' could have been at the center of so much arts and culture devoured by her NPR SWPL crowd.

    Still, I must admit she is willfully naive. Doesn't she know that one earns a Licence to Thrill if one makes all the right noises? It's like BLUE JASMINE where the scuzzo donates to charities.

    But then, she is a mushhead. She said she cwied like a boo-boo baby watching INSIDE OUT, a movie that made me wanna puke and which I mostly FF-ed. That was more demented than SPLIT.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/movies/2015/12/best_movies_2015_dana_stevens_picks_including_inside_out_spotlight_and_more.html

  24. @Ivy
    @Buffalo Joe

    SNL should have a lot of great material this week, oh wait...

    Replies: @AM

    SNL should have a lot of great material this week, oh wait…

    SNL doesn’t go after “New Yorkers” – snicker

  25. So many disgusting hypocrites coming forward now that it is financially safe to do so. The worst among them are Jane Fonda and Meryl Streep.

    • Agree: Bernardista
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Perspective

    I had to laugh that the reason Fonda said Weinstein didn't hit on her but went for the young ones is that they're more "vulnerable." Uhhh . . . yeah, that's it.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    , @guest
    @Perspective

    Streep is fond of badmouthing Dino De Laurentis for calling her a "pig" when he declined to cast her in the Jessica Lange role in that God-awful King Kong remake. I imagine Weinstein would have similar views.

  26. Don’t worry about me. I’ve seen Casablanca. The legend is that couples go to the theater, see Casablanca, and fall in love. It happened that way with me. I don’t remember a whole lot about my first wife but I do remember Casablanca.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Pat Boyle

    A lot of guys remember your first wife. ;)

    Replies: @2Mintzin1, @Father O'Hara

  27. So is the overwrought prose from Ms. Stevens a ploy to maintain feminist credibility with her readers (i.e. “I totally would’ve told you about this, if I were a little more worldly or had known even a little about the history of the medium I cover”)?

  28. @nebulafox
    And yet you people enthusiastically voted a sexual harasser into the Oval Office in the 1990s.

    OT: I'm taking a break, perhaps permanently, from iSteve. Lot of reasons, but I'm spending way too much time here, and I have bigger priorities in my life than politics now. I'm not so arrogant to think that people care (or should care)-I'm just posting this for the record to make sure I stick to this promise. I've learned a lot here and am grateful.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Buzz Mohawk, @anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @dr kill, @Chrisnonymous, @anon

    Best of luck to you.

    I think Steve interweaves some kind of subliminal material here that stimulates dopamine production.

    I tried to leave once. That failed, and I’m not even an addictive person. Now I’ve lost everything because of my iSteve habit. All my friends have left me, and I’m living in a cardboard box behind a dumpster.

    But there’s WiFi here!

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Buzz Mohawk

    we all wish we could quit Steve. But, we also know the adverse affects of pills, booze, general ennui. Plus, it is so much fun to look up witty banter while the world burns.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    , @ATX Hipster
    @Buzz Mohawk

    https://youtu.be/242H7F8DKHA

  29. @nebulafox
    And yet you people enthusiastically voted a sexual harasser into the Oval Office in the 1990s.

    OT: I'm taking a break, perhaps permanently, from iSteve. Lot of reasons, but I'm spending way too much time here, and I have bigger priorities in my life than politics now. I'm not so arrogant to think that people care (or should care)-I'm just posting this for the record to make sure I stick to this promise. I've learned a lot here and am grateful.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Buzz Mohawk, @anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @dr kill, @Chrisnonymous, @anon

    I’m taking a break, perhaps permanently, from iSteve.

    Suggestion. Don’t put pressure on yourself. Take 90 days off and re-evaluate. Hopefully, your bigger priorities have a degree of fun involved. Prodigals are always welcomed to return.

  30. @Pat Boyle
    Don't worry about me. I've seen Casablanca. The legend is that couples go to the theater, see Casablanca, and fall in love. It happened that way with me. I don't remember a whole lot about my first wife but I do remember Casablanca.

    Replies: @anonymous

    A lot of guys remember your first wife. 😉

    • Replies: @2Mintzin1
    @anonymous

    Keep those punches up, Mr. Anonymous.

    , @Father O'Hara
    @anonymous

    The good time had by all?

  31. @27 year old
    OT- Pew research center finally figures it out:

    Economists and social scientists have gathered multitudes of data about Millennials’ tendency to delay the traditional milestones of maturity (starting a career, getting married, buying a home, having kids) in favor of a prolonged adolescence.

    But in a new study examining household formation patterns in the US, Pew Research Center has isolated the biggest factor behind the rise in those households without a partner or spouse: “The declining ability of men to earn a salary large enough to sustain a family.”
     
    but of course, hardest hit...

    Instead, analysts said, the decline in both marriage and partnerships “All signs point to the growing fragility of the male wage earner,” said Cheryl Russell, a demographer and editorial director at the New Strategist Press. “The demographic segments most likely to be living without a partner are the ones in which men are struggling the most — young adults, the less educated, Hispanics, and blacks.”

    “The point at which the average young man becomes ‘marriageable’ appears to be earnings of $40,000 a year or more,” Russell said.
     
    That last sentence is brutal.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-13/millennials-are-delaying-marraige-because-men-arent-earning-enough

    Replies: @Guy de Champlagne, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Lagertha, @Anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    A 30% tariff would raise many young men over the $40 K threshold.

    Bring back the Republican Tariff.

  32. @nebulafox
    And yet you people enthusiastically voted a sexual harasser into the Oval Office in the 1990s.

    OT: I'm taking a break, perhaps permanently, from iSteve. Lot of reasons, but I'm spending way too much time here, and I have bigger priorities in my life than politics now. I'm not so arrogant to think that people care (or should care)-I'm just posting this for the record to make sure I stick to this promise. I've learned a lot here and am grateful.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Buzz Mohawk, @anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @dr kill, @Chrisnonymous, @anon

    And yet you people enthusiastically voted a sexual harasser into the Oval Office in the 1990s.

    You people? Really?

    Well, I did not. And I imagine that the majority of readers here did not. And also the majority of posters did not. Tiny Duck did, and Truth did, and Corvinus did, but nobody else did.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    He's talking to the author of the article Steve is quoting. Tiny Duck voted for Trump. Truth voted for Lenora Fulani (again). Corvinus can't vote because of that unfortunate misunderstanding with the racist cop. But if he could, he would vote for Authentic Jazz Man or maybe Epic Beard Man.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

  33. Rush Limbaugh had it right. By far the best, most experienced person to deal with bimbo eruptions and the best person to attack Weinstein’s female accusers is Hillary Clinton. Weinstein should have hired Hillary Clinton yesterday.

    • Replies: @a Newsreader
    @anon

    Her first, observed, competence.

  34. @AM
    @jcd1974


    The world is full of stupid people, the media is no exception.
     
    The media is a concentration of them and their collective IQ results testify to that.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The media is a concentration of them and their collective IQ results testify to that.

    Too true – if I could have, I would have done an “Agree” – but I am still in the transition wilderness.

  35. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Speaking of 'ever-steepening crescendos,' what is the record for the world's longest collective nervous breakdown?

    Replies: @AM, @Forbes, @njguy73, @unpc downunder, @Laugh Track

    Speaking of ‘ever-steepening crescendos,’ what is the record for the world’s longest collective nervous breakdown?

    All of Europe, 1914-1945.

  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Finally cat has been let out of bag. Rolling Stones secret Russian plot to sap vital humor of American youngster.

    Secret is revealed by accident. Keith Richards secret Russian spy guitar school graduate.

    http://orthodoxcircle.com/blog/1404/the-russian-seven-string-guitar-something-different/

    The Russian seven string guitar – something different
    by George Selinsky

    If you’re like most of the world’s guitarists, you imagine that a guitar is a six stringed instrument of Spanish origin, tuned E-A-D-G-B-E. However, if you came from Russia, you’re probably also at least distantly aware that there is another such animal which belongs to a slightly different species.

    I am not talking about the balalaika, a small three stringed instrument with a triangular body and a small thin neck. I’m talking about the Russian seven string guitar, which upon regular appearance resembles the six string Spanish axe that most of the world plays.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    The John Birch Society had that figured out by 1966.

    , @Che Guava
    @Anonymous

    Great post, and nice joke about junkie king Richards, even better because it is true (as in use of the tuning on six-stringed, was checking).

    Also informing, was not knowing of it before, it sounds like a great idea, a Russian entrepreneur must starting mass-production ASAP. Serious guitarists (am not, can play a little rhythm, a couple of picking patterns never heard elsewhere, messy feedback lead, but have known several who are great), they are all loving exotic types, so it would being a hit, at least as much as or more than, the headless Steinberg types.

    Am curious, with such an inoccuous and informative post, why you are feeling the need to posting as Anonymous?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  37. In the 1930’s, powerful Hollywood producers were known collectively as “The HOMINTERN.” I can’t believe any of the shock being expressed is sincere.

    Progress in audio-visual technology now enables anyone to be a spy! The balance of power is shifting. Just holding a few AIDS fundraisers is no longer enough to divert attention from one’s evil deeds.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bro Methylene

    In the 1930′s, powerful Hollywood producers were known collectively as “The HOMINTERN.”

    No.

    , @PapayaSF
    @Bro Methylene

    The earliest use of the word "Hominterm" that I am aware of is an Auden essay on Oscar Wilde from 1950. I believe it was used (seriously) by Joseph McCarthy and others and facetiously by some to refer to the secret network of homosexuals. It no doubt had connections to Hollywood, but I'm not aware of it ever referring to "powerful Hollywood producers" in the 1930s.

  38. @Bro Methylene
    In the 1930's, powerful Hollywood producers were known collectively as "The HOMINTERN." I can't believe any of the shock being expressed is sincere.

    Progress in audio-visual technology now enables anyone to be a spy! The balance of power is shifting. Just holding a few AIDS fundraisers is no longer enough to divert attention from one's evil deeds.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PapayaSF

    In the 1930′s, powerful Hollywood producers were known collectively as “The HOMINTERN.”

    No.

  39. • Replies: @Eagle Eye
    @Anonymous

    Real reason for auto-ban is juxtaposition of "Seth" and "rich."

    Permutations of pizza, gate, Podesta, pedo, murder, Hillary, Anthony, Huma etc. also trigger auto-bans.

  40. @Perspective
    So many disgusting hypocrites coming forward now that it is financially safe to do so. The worst among them are Jane Fonda and Meryl Streep.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @guest

    I had to laugh that the reason Fonda said Weinstein didn’t hit on her but went for the young ones is that they’re more “vulnerable.” Uhhh . . . yeah, that’s it.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Harry Baldwin

    If she wanted some of that she should have gone and taken it like Hillary evidently did. If she looked at the electorate like she looks at HW, she’d be president.

    , @Anonymous
    @Harry Baldwin

    In all fairness, if you didn't strenuously object to her politics, Fonda was known to be one of the best POA in Hollywood in her younger days. She was never a sex bomb visually but she could certainly use what she had (e.g., Barbarella) and she was considered to be exceptionally interested in sex and forward about it for her time.

    Replies: @2Mintzin1, @guest

    , @Anonymous
    @Harry Baldwin

    The one caught on audio was a happa. Half flip. Jewish guys have serious yellow fever. It could be a high-IQ male thing.

  41. This poor sensitive flower. I imagine she’d commit suicide if she understood how thoroughly corrupt Hillary Clinton was. This is real life honey.

  42. @Anonymous
    Finally cat has been let out of bag. Rolling Stones secret Russian plot to sap vital humor of American youngster.

    Secret is revealed by accident. Keith Richards secret Russian spy guitar school graduate.

    http://orthodoxcircle.com/blog/1404/the-russian-seven-string-guitar-something-different/


    The Russian seven string guitar - something different
    by George Selinsky

    If you're like most of the world's guitarists, you imagine that a guitar is a six stringed instrument of Spanish origin, tuned E-A-D-G-B-E. However, if you came from Russia, you're probably also at least distantly aware that there is another such animal which belongs to a slightly different species.

    I am not talking about the balalaika, a small three stringed instrument with a triangular body and a small thin neck. I'm talking about the Russian seven string guitar, which upon regular appearance resembles the six string Spanish axe that most of the world plays.



    Back in the late 18th century, Czech harpist and composer Andrei Sychra (who grew up in the Baltics and spoke fluent Russian) invented the seven string guitar, most probably across between the English five stringguitarand the Ukrainian kobza.Unlike the Spanish guitar, the Russian guitar was tuned like the kobza in thirds toD-G-B-D-G-B-D, a G major chord (the seventh string is not an extra bass or tenorstring as is mistakenly thought, but a part of the tuning design: the seven strings perfectly carry thethirdstuning over two octaves, from D to D, just as the six strings on a Spanish guitar cover two octaves, from E to E,in the fourths tuning).

    Sychra's instrument became wildly popularthroughout theRussian empire(including its Gypsy population), while the six string by contrast was a little knowncreature. The Russian's monogamous love affair with the semistrunka, as it was known affectionately, continued into the Soviet period untilit receiveda heavy blow from the semi-underground onslaught of western jazz and rock music. Many kids, wanting to play the same riffsas their western guitar heroes, re-fabricated their Russian guitars into six string guitars. The popular bard Vladimir Vysotsky was perhaps the last Russian icon to exclusivelyplay the seven string throughout his creative life.

    Still, the seven string tradition lives on to this day - albeit as a semi-secret art that is passed on mostly via oral tradition to those interested enough to learn. Countless Russian music, from popularbard and street songsto classical pieces, was originally performed on a seven string guitar withits signature style.

    The seven string chords tend to be more piano like than on a six stringguitar, with a closer note spacing -yet it is also possible to play six string style voicings on a seven string, too.Such a spacingalso permits certain alternating basses that would require more finger work on a six string (i.e. thetrademarkRussian sounding root - flat 3rdminor alternating bass). Another advantage is that the closer tuning of the highest two strings (B and D) permits one finger runs onboth strings for harmonized soloing. The Russian guitar is also deeper sounding, its lowest note is a D, versus an E, and it is often tunedfrom a half totwo and a half whole tones lower. Finally,it boasts thesimplest chord in the world: one finger across the entire fretboard, producing a sonorous seven string major chord in any fretposition(there are, of course, various other useful major shapes as well).

    Ironically, although the Russian guitar is tuned to a G major, a significant percent of Russian music (especially bard songs and street romances) are in a minor key. The seven string minor shapes areactually quite flexible, often using a special technique of one finger depressing two adjacent strings (the strings on aRussian guitar are closer together, making this easy).

    Another trademark Russian guitar technique is the use of theleft hand thumb formany chords, which six string guitaristsmay not be used to. Six stringers are also, generally,used to the barre which is less common for Russian technique (save for the straight barre major). Russian chords tend to rely more on "moveable shapes" that require one to "choke" those strings that are not supposed to be played (using an adjacent finger to mute the string), this technique will likelybe familiar to manyjazz and rock guitarists.

    Russian guitarists traditionally play without a pick, using their right hand fingers to pluck or strum the strings (although it is perfectly possible to use one).

    If you are interested inexperimenting withthe Russian guitar, you don't need to actuallyacquire or modify one. An easy way in is to experiment with the Russian open G tuning on a six string guitar by simply omitting one of the lower strings. Tunings such as D-B-D-G-B-D (my personal favorite, useful for playing Vysotskys songs) orD-G-D-G-B-D are sufficient enough to give you a preview of what the experience is like. Incidentally, the open G tuning is not exclusive to the Russian guitar, youll find a lot of blues, rock,and country musicians have used it as well (most noteably Keith Richards of Rolling Stones fame, i.e. "Jumping Jack Flash" and"Start Me Up").

    To learn the Russian chords, see this article in the Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_guitar

    For those interested in going further and actually getting a seven string, an easy route is tomodify an existing six string guitar.

    The simplest way to do this is to acquire a twelve stringguitar, since the work required is minimal - all that is necessary is for a guitar tech (or you, if you're feeling bold enough) to re-cut the nut and the bridge of the guitar for seven strings. There is no need to drill extra holes of any kind, since the guitaralready has twelve tuningpegs andstring pin holes.A disadvantage is that twelve string guitars are a bit more costly and have a thicker, wider neck which may be uncomfortable for a player with smaller hands.

    Modifying a six string to seven requires drilling a new hole and installing a new tuning peg into the headstock, plusdrilling a new hole fora seventhstring pin - on top of recutting the nut and bridge. This is more work overall, and if done by a guitar tech will be more expensive, but may be worthwhile because of the larger range of instruments you can modify and the narrower neck.

    In conclusion, I cannot say that the Russian guitar is "greater" than the Spanish, nor can I saythe opposite! Each instrument has its own plussesand minuses. While it takes a bit of patience to learn new chord shapes and become proficient in them, learning to playthis instrument with its unique qualitieshas also helped expand my six string playing style.

    Those who want to know more about the semistrunka can read my article "Playing guitar po Russkiy":

    http://www.stseraphimschurch.org/we-magazine/staty...

    A post scriptum: It is also worth noting thatplayers of the Greek bouzoukimay also be familiar with thedifference between thethree (six) and four (eight)stringbouzouki, the latter being a more modern innovation that models its tuning on the Spanish guitar.Many purist bouzouki players only recognize the older three string and claim it is a superior instrument.

     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Che Guava

    The John Birch Society had that figured out by 1966.

  43. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Stevens did write a pretty decent review of NEW MOON though.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/movies/2009/11/the_twilight_saga_new_moon.html

    But her most hilarious piece is one about IN THE REALM OF THE SENSES. She’s sooooo eager to prove her credentials as a liberated woman on the edge with no hangups. It’s like a parody of Kael’s wild piece on LAST TANGO.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/movies/2013/01/nagisa_oshima_s_in_the_realm_of_the_senses_sex_violence_and_beauty.html

    carried on a 30-year side career as a deliberate and ruthless sexual predator. …

    Why should this surprise her? Didn’t Madoff get away with a lot of bad behavior before he was finally caught? Seems to be a pattern here.

    And didn’t she find it odd that Arnon Milchan could move around freely in the US despite having stole secrets for Israel?

    Did she ever hear of Roman Polanski? Did she ever notice all those washed up actors with tortured psyches?

    Are these progs this dishonest or this clueless, stuck in their bubble of self-righteousness?

    PS. it seems Stevens totally missed out on Haven Monahan hoax.
    So much bad behavior and such a pattern.

    And uh.. Hillary is married to whom?

  44. @AM
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    Speaking of ‘ever-steepening crescendos,’ what is the record for the world’s longest collective nervous breakdown?
     
    It will be 4 or 8 years, depending on if Trump is re-elected.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    So 12 years then.

  45. One of the shibboleths of cinephiles is how horrible it was during the McCarthy Era when saintly Hollywood communists were persecuted by paranoid rightists.

    But these very same people are now freaking out about Russia and Pokemon Go.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Anon


    One of the shibboleths of cinephiles is how horrible it was during the McCarthy Era when saintly Hollywood communists were persecuted by paranoid rightists.
     
    It was terrible. Some of them were even compelled to live in Paris. And not the wonderful diverse Paris of the current year but the ghastly stale pale Paris of the 1950s.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  46. @Harry Baldwin
    @Perspective

    I had to laugh that the reason Fonda said Weinstein didn't hit on her but went for the young ones is that they're more "vulnerable." Uhhh . . . yeah, that's it.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    If she wanted some of that she should have gone and taken it like Hillary evidently did. If she looked at the electorate like she looks at HW, she’d be president.

  47. Translation: Damn, I thought only Trump supporters were sexual predators.

  48. From the reaction I’m seeing in my social world, this whole thing is successfully turning into a “men are awful and other men have to step up/bitch fest from 30+ professional gals with dwindling marriage prospects and ovaries to match”. So, “I’m not as successful as I could have been because powerful men took advantage of me, and you, man in front of me, are who’s really responsible” would be a good summation of their thinking.

    I’m more saddened by this than anything. These are otherwise decent women I’m talking about, but who don’t realize, and who can’t be told, how obnoxious there thinking is.

    • Replies: @Neuday
    @PhDPepper

    Women, generally, don't "think" too deeply, but they sure can "feel".

    , @dfordoom
    @PhDPepper


    These are otherwise decent women I’m talking about, but who don’t realize, and who can’t be told, how obnoxious there thinking is.
     
    They're not decent. No woman who has been corrupted by feminism can be described as decent. They're spoilt brats and vicious harpies.
  49. @Buffalo Joe
    What's up with these people....pacing their apartment in a hypomanic state..Remember when Trump was elected they curled up on their bathroom floor going through rolls of toilet paper while crying. Weak to say the least. Surprised they didn't lemming themselves off a cliff after Hillary lost.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Lurker, @Jus' Sayin'...

    Surprised they didn’t lemming themselves off a cliff after Hillary lost.

    Saddened rather surprised.

  50. @27 year old
    OT- Pew research center finally figures it out:

    Economists and social scientists have gathered multitudes of data about Millennials’ tendency to delay the traditional milestones of maturity (starting a career, getting married, buying a home, having kids) in favor of a prolonged adolescence.

    But in a new study examining household formation patterns in the US, Pew Research Center has isolated the biggest factor behind the rise in those households without a partner or spouse: “The declining ability of men to earn a salary large enough to sustain a family.”
     
    but of course, hardest hit...

    Instead, analysts said, the decline in both marriage and partnerships “All signs point to the growing fragility of the male wage earner,” said Cheryl Russell, a demographer and editorial director at the New Strategist Press. “The demographic segments most likely to be living without a partner are the ones in which men are struggling the most — young adults, the less educated, Hispanics, and blacks.”

    “The point at which the average young man becomes ‘marriageable’ appears to be earnings of $40,000 a year or more,” Russell said.
     
    That last sentence is brutal.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-13/millennials-are-delaying-marraige-because-men-arent-earning-enough

    Replies: @Guy de Champlagne, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Lagertha, @Anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    Well, and HS/College women are taught that they don’t need a man. Pew research forgets that Millennial men are marrying East Asian women and younger women more than their actual age/peer group. And, yes, with all the happy-talk about diversity, minority men are left even further behind white men as far as “show me the money.” And, no ads showing multiculturalism, leads to people finding bliss.

  51. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    @Perspective

    I had to laugh that the reason Fonda said Weinstein didn't hit on her but went for the young ones is that they're more "vulnerable." Uhhh . . . yeah, that's it.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    In all fairness, if you didn’t strenuously object to her politics, Fonda was known to be one of the best POA in Hollywood in her younger days. She was never a sex bomb visually but she could certainly use what she had (e.g., Barbarella) and she was considered to be exceptionally interested in sex and forward about it for her time.

    • Replies: @2Mintzin1
    @Anonymous

    Thought she looked pretty good in "Cat Ballou"...of course, I was about , er, 12 at the time.
    Hormones, you know.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @guest
    @Anonymous

    "For her time," okay. But she's 15 years older than Harvey. In Hollywood years that's like 3 centuries.

  52. Not precisely on point, but how has Weinstein’s producee Quentin Tarantino avoided ritual drawing and quartering for his persistent use of “The N-Word” for all these years and movies … ?

    For further discussion: Might they try and draw attention away from the sexual misadventures of Hollywood’s elites (you know Weinstein can’t be the only one) by trying to aggressively throwing him [QT] to the wolves to try and get the race “discussion” going and get it off the sexual abuse “discussion” … ?

  53. @Buzz Mohawk
    @nebulafox

    Best of luck to you.

    I think Steve interweaves some kind of subliminal material here that stimulates dopamine production.

    I tried to leave once. That failed, and I'm not even an addictive person. Now I've lost everything because of my iSteve habit. All my friends have left me, and I'm living in a cardboard box behind a dumpster.

    But there's WiFi here!

    Replies: @Lagertha, @ATX Hipster

    we all wish we could quit Steve. But, we also know the adverse affects of pills, booze, general ennui. Plus, it is so much fun to look up witty banter while the world burns.

    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Lagertha

    We're all fiddlers now.

  54. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Speaking of 'ever-steepening crescendos,' what is the record for the world's longest collective nervous breakdown?

    Replies: @AM, @Forbes, @njguy73, @unpc downunder, @Laugh Track

    People don’t have nervous breakdowns anymore, they have mental disorders. This subtle difference is very important to the sales of anti-depressants, which are claimed to resolve neurotransmitter imbalances in the brain.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @unpc downunder

    Okay, but these people are already on antidepressants.

    , @Ivy
    @unpc downunder

    Prior generations were inhibited about all that serotonin reuptake, and then Big Pharma encouraged them to be less selective. Lie back and think of, well, nothing.

  55. @Guy de Champlagne
    @27 year old

    but of course, hardest hit…

    Those groups are legitimately the hardest hit. This is not one of those "World Ends, Blacks and Hispanics Hardest Hit" type things. Moynihan first called the alarm about this trend over 50 years ago and it's only gotten worse.

    Replies: @Big Bill, @EdwardM

    Strangely, Professional Negroes cheer the rainbow alliance and welcome immigrants as their bestest buddies … all the Professional Negroes of The Root, Slate, Salon, NYT, and WaPo, anyway.

    I can’t shake the feeling that Professional Negroes really don’t care what happens to colored folk who didn’t get into Harvard and don’t summer on Martha’s Vineyard..

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Big Bill


    I can’t shake the feeling that Professional Negroes really don’t care what happens to colored folk who didn’t get into Harvard and don’t summer on Martha’s Vineyard.
     
    Just like the feminists who only care about privileged middle-class women and couldn't care less about working-class women.

    People don't notice these things because they've been carefully trained not to notice that the big divide is not between black and white or men and women, the big divide is the class divide.
  56. @anon
    Rush Limbaugh had it right. By far the best, most experienced person to deal with bimbo eruptions and the best person to attack Weinstein's female accusers is Hillary Clinton. Weinstein should have hired Hillary Clinton yesterday.

    Replies: @a Newsreader

    Her first, observed, competence.

  57. If there is any real surprise, its that Weinstein just didn’t get expensive call girls in his hotel rooms instead of risking having an actress he’d try to force himself onto calling the police. That is surprising. He must have been supremely confident in how badly these young women wanted to be in the movies.

    • Replies: @theMann
    @notice

    Wow, did you ever hit that one on the head.


    Three things I take away from this, intrinsic to American dishonesty:


    1.) Weinstein's Jewishness was both a shield and a weapon in all this, but he will never get called out on it.


    2.) The sheer number of women falling back on the " 'tis entirely innocent I am" defense. Because, clearly, none of them were prostituting themselves, and every single last one of them lacked the sense to not get alone in a room with a strange guy.....IN HOLLYWOOD.


    3.) Every single last person in Hollywood knew what was going on, but how many of them, especially the Feminists, will ever be called out for enabling him?

    , @guest
    @notice

    He forced himself upon many only in the loose sense, I think. It doesn't require unusual confidence to think that you can get away with pressuring young women desperate for fame into sex. So long as you're the rock in the middle of the road to fame.

    It's relatively easy for even unattractive men in Harv's position to find non-prostitute prostitutes. I'm almost certain there were plenty of would-be starlets attracted enough to him. But he wanted everyone!

    , @Alden
    @notice

    He seemed to prefer taking off his clothes and jacking off in front of women who didn't want to be in the same room with him let alone look at a 350 pd sack of blubber jacking off. Sounds as though he got off at grossing everyone out.

    It's a violation of section 647 of the common penal code used by most states.

    , @CK
    @notice

    It is actually not a surprise at all that he didn't use call girls. Paying someone to watch you fertilize a potted plant makes you the humiliated party not the watcher.
    If you want to play humiliation games with a professional escort, the price escalates and it must be paid up front.
    If you try to humiliate said professional too much; the professional's minder/driver will explain to you in a most dainty fashion just how much pain you can endure.
    The purpose was too humiliate the shiksa girls. Pretty little interchangeable shiksas rubbing him down, watching him fertilize a potted plant, etc. In return they become this weeks New Big Deal and get to wear Georgina Chapman fashions on the red carpet.
    These were transactions between pigs.

    , @BB753
    @notice

    There's a very thin line between expensive call girls and young actresses (or models, for that matter).

    , @dfordoom
    @notice


    If there is any real surprise, its that Weinstein just didn’t get expensive call girls in his hotel rooms instead of risking having an actress he’d try to force himself onto calling the police. That is surprising.
     
    It's not surprising at all. He wasn't interested in the sex. He was interested in humiliating the women. He's a profoundly ugly and repulsive man so he enjoyed the idea that these women would submit to his advances.

    Not that I have the slightest sympathy for the women involved. I have more sympathy for honest whores than for Hollywood actresses.
  58. @Cagey Beast
    OT: Another Russian-financed social media false flag operation? Nope, she the actual Deputy Secretary General of NATO:

    https://twitter.com/Gottemoeller/status/864874129597640704

    Replies: @unpc downunder, @NickG, @Almost Missouri, @YetAnotherAnon, @Alden, @The True and Original David, @Laugh Track, @Expletive Deleted

    It’s interesting that the LGBT pride flag has the primary colour red at the top. A reminder perhaps, that all LGBTs owe their allegiance to the liberal left.

  59. @Buffalo Joe
    What's up with these people....pacing their apartment in a hypomanic state..Remember when Trump was elected they curled up on their bathroom floor going through rolls of toilet paper while crying. Weak to say the least. Surprised they didn't lemming themselves off a cliff after Hillary lost.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Lurker, @Jus' Sayin'...

    Surprised they didn’t lemming themselves off a cliff after Hillary lost.

    If only….

  60. The silly Liberal whore can take comfort because she remains certain that if would be much, much worse if the movies were run by pure EVIL monsters of ultra conservative abuse of women like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson.

    If only a Numinous Negro moral paragon like Martin Luther King, Jr ran Hollywood, it would have been free of the sexist use and abuse of women as pieces of meat for male groping.

  61. For the past week I’ve been pacing my apartment in a hypomanic state…

    Why does a certain type of modern liberal writer fib in this particular, rather obvious manner?

    Of course, it is possible she actually was in a hypomanic state. Apparently, one of the clinical symptoms of hypomania is inflated self-esteem or grandiosity.

    • Replies: @2Mintzin1
    @PiltdownMan

    The "hypomanic" writer is a woman.
    They do that , you know.

    , @guest
    @PiltdownMan

    Why doesn't she just call it a manic state, if she's going to hyperbolize for our sympathy? Or has that become a cliche of phony psychological narratives?

    What is the difference between hypomania and a normal female mental state? Is the baseline hypo-hypomania, or hypo-hypo-hypomania?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  62. In the Harvey Weinstein saga, there will always be an indelible Hindenburg-like moment, branded into the collective brain, too horrible to fully contemplate . . .

    Harv closed off the kitchen of a Manhattan “power” restaurant that he owned and invited a winsome local TeeVee reporterette to join him there for a session of power romance. Utterly creeped out, she ran into the washroom, screaming at the top of her lungs. After summoning up a little courage, she emerged from her temporary sanctuary, to be greeted by the disgusting scene of Weinstein furiously jerking off and then finishing by spilling his seed into the nearest potted plant. Oh, The Humanity!

  63. Anonymous [AKA "Felix Fisher"] says: • Website

    Top comments for “White Nationalism Is Destroying the West” by Sasha Polakow-Suransky:

    SLBvt Vt 1 day ago

    While host countries were very well-meaning and generous to immigrants, they forgot about paying attention to all the people who lived in the host communities. Efforts made to support immigrants and make them feel welcome should have been balanced by efforts to also make the host community’s history and culture celebrated and affirmed, to minimize the feeling of being “invaded.”

    There will always be some who resent/hate anyone not like themselves, but most people want to help those in such desperate need. But the “givers” also need support and recognition for their efforts.

    AM New Hampshire 1 day ago

    Yes, white supremacists are a huge problem. We must work toward eliminating this problem.

    But liberals should also stop apologizing for religionists whose doctrines include oppression of women, hatred of gays, antagonism and even violence toward “heretics,” and theocracy. Islam is currently the worst offender, albeit not the only one.

    If we really are in favor of liberal democracy, then let’s be consistent, and resist all who would reduce or attack the principles inherent in our world-view. Let’s celebrate reason, science, curiosity, humanism, art, compassion, and progress; let’s denounce superstition, tribalism, authoritarianism, and nonsense (no matter what form these evils may take). Such actions would not make us “racist;” they would make us progressive.

    Michael Brooklyn, NY 1 day ago

    I really appreciated this thoughtful and well-argued editorial. That said, I worry that in his effort to crystalize the nativist threat, Mr. Polakow-Suransky pays insufficient attention to the very real and persistent problems of mismanaged immigration policy in the United States. Peter Beinart’s excellent Atlantic article, How Democrats Lost Their Way on Immigration, makes a compelling case that activists on the Left have conspicuously downplayed the economic, social, and civic consequences of illegal immigration; meanwhile, there is little substantive debate among Democratic politicians about the vital role that immigration law plays in shaping the composition of our body politic. All of this is supposedly in service of inclusion and acceptance.

    If the goal is an immigration policy that simultaneously demonstrates compassion for refugees while promoting polity and civic responsibility, then pointing the finger at White Nationalists will only get you so far. And so far, many on the American Left have chosen intellectual shortcuts over a robust value proposition to support immigration reform.

    GRH New England 1 day ago

    I am not sure who this author or journalist is or where she is from but she seems unfamiliar with the history of the United States. African-American, Democratic Congresswoman Barbara Jordan, as leader of President Bill Clinton’s Bipartisan Commission on Immigration Reform, recommended virtually every immigration proposal put on the table by Donald Trump. Ms. Jordan, the first African-American elected to the Texas Senate since Reconstruction (before she served in Congress), and a strong civil rights champion, could in no way be characterized as a white nationalist.

    She foresaw the negative impacts of globalization and NAFTA on the least advantaged US citizens of all stripes. She and President Clinton’s Commission realized the world had changed since 1965 and that it was time to stop illegal immigration. Clinton unfortunately betrayed his own Commission.

    I will agree with the opinion writer that “legitimate debates about immigration policy” have been eclipsed. In the US, the legitimate debate has been eclipsed by the Democrats labeling anyone who does not support de facto policies of unlimited open borders and mass migration as somehow being “racist” and “xenophobic.” Again, I don’t think anyone would ever have called Barbara Jordan a racist xenophobe. However, it seems pretty clear that if she had not died at only age 59 in 1996, the Democrats would have kicked her out of the party for daring to support US citizens and legal immigrants.

    Andrew L New York 1 day ago

    The first paragraph is so offensively stupid it hurts: a Muslim person kills 86 people in the name of a murderous ideology, but hey look how bad and mean these French people are by banning the “burkini” – which should be considered what it is anyway: a symbol of patriarchy and oppression.

    Jim MA 1 day ago

    There was one word that was omitted or not mentioned in this entire article and that is ‘assimilation’. Nor the fact that many Muslims are intolerant of our culture and it’s inhabitants. Women, LBGTs and those of Jewish ancestry have much to be concerned about when they are at the receiving end of that intolerance.
    The West and Muslims are like oil and water. To deny this is ignorant.

    JBR Berkeley 1 day ago

    White supremacy was a dying fringe phenomenon for decades. The current rise of the lunatic right is a direct response to the massive illegal immigration being encouraged by western governments. Most citizens of Europe and the US have been opposed to the flood of illegal immigrants, but the ruling elites have ignored them. It is bizarrely unrealistic to think that any society wants to be over run by people of vastly different cultures, yet western governments have ignored their people who do not want their societies irrevocably changed by a massive influx from the MIddle East, Africa, or Latin America. Their citizens’ pleas are met with the left’s standard preaching, moralizing, hectoring accusations of xenophobia, and they are told that they are just too stupid to appreciate the benefits of mass migration. Merkel’s inexplicable invitation for the world to invade Europe, and our self righteous sanctuary movement, strike many people as suicidal. If the tidal wave of immigration from the global south to the global north continues, the north will become as crowded and unlivable as much of the south, and will only grow worse as environmental degradation and climate change further destroy the planet. The rise of the right, as exemplified by the election of Trump and Brexit, are directly attributable to the left’s contempt for the deplorables who do not want to see their own countries become unrecognizable.

    mpound USA 1 day ago

    I say the fastest way for Western nations to destroy themselves is to believe the ridiculous fantasy that national borders are unnecessary and that the people poring into Western countries from third world nations with bronze-age attitudes are capable of becoming productive citizens who will eagerly adopt western culture.

  64. Just like sausage, too much insight into the liberal mind is a disgusting spectacle. This Weinstein affair has been educational. They’re constantly deflecting and rewriting the narrative to ensure maximum power to the hivemind.

    This sudden blow has shattered her liberal worldview, but like the robot in T2 it will congeal back into a fearsome beast. This is really gonna turbocharge feminism. We (normal men) were already suffering from feminism, so it’s nice to see the narrative crack and leftists get taken down, too.

  65. @Anonymous
    @Harry Baldwin

    In all fairness, if you didn't strenuously object to her politics, Fonda was known to be one of the best POA in Hollywood in her younger days. She was never a sex bomb visually but she could certainly use what she had (e.g., Barbarella) and she was considered to be exceptionally interested in sex and forward about it for her time.

    Replies: @2Mintzin1, @guest

    Thought she looked pretty good in “Cat Ballou”…of course, I was about , er, 12 at the time.
    Hormones, you know.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @2Mintzin1

    One of my favorite movies of all time. And the White dress Cat Ballou wore to be hanged was a touch of genius by the costume designer. Another all time favorite of mine is Mars Attacks. Needless to say, I am not an intellectual.

  66. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @nebulafox


    And yet you people enthusiastically voted a sexual harasser into the Oval Office in the 1990s.
     
    You people? Really?

    Well, I did not. And I imagine that the majority of readers here did not. And also the majority of posters did not. Tiny Duck did, and Truth did, and Corvinus did, but nobody else did.

    Replies: @Bill

    He’s talking to the author of the article Steve is quoting. Tiny Duck voted for Trump. Truth voted for Lenora Fulani (again). Corvinus can’t vote because of that unfortunate misunderstanding with the racist cop. But if he could, he would vote for Authentic Jazz Man or maybe Epic Beard Man.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Bill

    You made me laugh out loud. Thanks.

  67. @PiltdownMan

    For the past week I’ve been pacing my apartment in a hypomanic state...
     
    Why does a certain type of modern liberal writer fib in this particular, rather obvious manner?

    Of course, it is possible she actually was in a hypomanic state. Apparently, one of the clinical symptoms of hypomania is inflated self-esteem or grandiosity.

    Replies: @2Mintzin1, @guest

    The “hypomanic” writer is a woman.
    They do that , you know.

  68. More “glass” metaphors? Where does it end with you women?

    It’s pretty hilarious though. A recent theme in Leftist rhetoric has been the “imagine how much better industry x would be if it featured proportional sexual representation”–such as, if more women worked in/ran Hollywood there wouldn’t be so much sexism in moves.
    Tell it to Harvey.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    @Dennis Dale

    "movies"

  69. @Dennis Dale
    More "glass" metaphors? Where does it end with you women?

    It's pretty hilarious though. A recent theme in Leftist rhetoric has been the "imagine how much better industry x would be if it featured proportional sexual representation"--such as, if more women worked in/ran Hollywood there wouldn't be so much sexism in moves.
    Tell it to Harvey.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

    “movies”

  70. @notice
    If there is any real surprise, its that Weinstein just didn't get expensive call girls in his hotel rooms instead of risking having an actress he'd try to force himself onto calling the police. That is surprising. He must have been supremely confident in how badly these young women wanted to be in the movies.

    Replies: @theMann, @guest, @Alden, @CK, @BB753, @dfordoom

    Wow, did you ever hit that one on the head.

    Three things I take away from this, intrinsic to American dishonesty:

    1.) Weinstein’s Jewishness was both a shield and a weapon in all this, but he will never get called out on it.

    2.) The sheer number of women falling back on the ” ’tis entirely innocent I am” defense. Because, clearly, none of them were prostituting themselves, and every single last one of them lacked the sense to not get alone in a room with a strange guy…..IN HOLLYWOOD.

    3.) Every single last person in Hollywood knew what was going on, but how many of them, especially the Feminists, will ever be called out for enabling him?

  71. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Progressives also have a way of turning their own embarrassments into attacks on their enemies.

    Twitter temporarily suspended Weinstein victim Rose McGowan. (The reason is that she tweeted someone’s phone number in violation of TOS — not that it matters, because women’s voices are being silenced here, people!)

    McGowan responded by wondering why Trump isn’t suspended.

    Twitter’s CEO made lemonade out of the situation:

    jack @jack
    1/ We see voices being silenced on Twitter every day. We’ve been working to counteract this for the past 2 years. …

    4/ Today we saw voices silencing themselves and voices speaking out because we’re *still* not doing enough.

    (A reference to a boycott of Twitter in sympathy with McGowan.)

    The problem of Voices Being Silenced begs for an Orwellian solution:

    7/ New rules around: unwanted sexual advances, non-consensual nudity, hate symbols, violent groups, and tweets that glorifies violence.

    … will be Silenced at the discretion of the Progressive Thought Police.

  72. @unpc downunder
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    People don't have nervous breakdowns anymore, they have mental disorders. This subtle difference is very important to the sales of anti-depressants, which are claimed to resolve neurotransmitter imbalances in the brain.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Ivy

    Okay, but these people are already on antidepressants.

  73. @Cagey Beast
    OT: Another Russian-financed social media false flag operation? Nope, she the actual Deputy Secretary General of NATO:

    https://twitter.com/Gottemoeller/status/864874129597640704

    Replies: @unpc downunder, @NickG, @Almost Missouri, @YetAnotherAnon, @Alden, @The True and Original David, @Laugh Track, @Expletive Deleted

    Henceforth it’s ‘Sodding NATO’.

  74. @Cagey Beast
    OT: Another Russian-financed social media false flag operation? Nope, she the actual Deputy Secretary General of NATO:

    https://twitter.com/Gottemoeller/status/864874129597640704

    Replies: @unpc downunder, @NickG, @Almost Missouri, @YetAnotherAnon, @Alden, @The True and Original David, @Laugh Track, @Expletive Deleted

    Have a look at the reply tweets.

    • Replies: @dr kill
    @Almost Missouri

    I read them, what's your point?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  75. “If there is any real surprise, its that Weinstein just didn’t get expensive call girls in his hotel rooms instead of risking having an actress he’d try to force himself onto calling the police.”

    You don’t think he was paying for expensive call girls, as well? How profoundly naive of you. Of course the other big question amidst the *sexual harassment* scandal is how many women aren’t accusing him because they did sleep with him and feel like they got a great gig out of it, which means it wasn’t so much harassment as rape? It’s interesting that so many movies produced by the Weinsteins were highbrow dramas targeted at a female audience, which meant a lot more female actresses than your average thriller or scifi flick…which meant more women for Weinstein to harass.

    I suspect the federal government could bring charges if it examines Weinstein’s records and determines that a whole lot of book and movie “deals” were nothing more than payoffs for people to keep quiet. That could mean serious jail time, not just exile from Hollywood. And it could mean jail time for the executives involved in those deals, not just Harvey.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Wilkey

    You are really watering down the impact of the word rape by using it so cavalierly.

    , @guest
    @Wilkey

    "how many women aren't accusing him because they did sleep with him and feel like they got a great gig out of it, which means it wasn't so much harassment as rape"

    You lost me. If there was a quid pro quo involved, that would suggest it wasn't rape. Could be he's saying, "Here, take this role instead of going to the cops." But more likely it was an implied, "Sleep with me and I'll boost your career."

    Replies: @Alden, @Wilkey

    , @Ivy
    @Wilkey

    RICO.
    When will the Feds pursue that?

  76. @Cagey Beast
    OT: Another Russian-financed social media false flag operation? Nope, she the actual Deputy Secretary General of NATO:

    https://twitter.com/Gottemoeller/status/864874129597640704

    Replies: @unpc downunder, @NickG, @Almost Missouri, @YetAnotherAnon, @Alden, @The True and Original David, @Laugh Track, @Expletive Deleted

    I know it’s been posted before, but this (and “I want to be a woman”) was prophecy when we thought it was comedy.

  77. @Anonymous
    @Harry Baldwin

    In all fairness, if you didn't strenuously object to her politics, Fonda was known to be one of the best POA in Hollywood in her younger days. She was never a sex bomb visually but she could certainly use what she had (e.g., Barbarella) and she was considered to be exceptionally interested in sex and forward about it for her time.

    Replies: @2Mintzin1, @guest

    “For her time,” okay. But she’s 15 years older than Harvey. In Hollywood years that’s like 3 centuries.

  78. @Perspective
    So many disgusting hypocrites coming forward now that it is financially safe to do so. The worst among them are Jane Fonda and Meryl Streep.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @guest

    Streep is fond of badmouthing Dino De Laurentis for calling her a “pig” when he declined to cast her in the Jessica Lange role in that God-awful King Kong remake. I imagine Weinstein would have similar views.

  79. @Wilkey
    "If there is any real surprise, its that Weinstein just didn’t get expensive call girls in his hotel rooms instead of risking having an actress he’d try to force himself onto calling the police."

    You don't think he was paying for expensive call girls, as well? How profoundly naive of you. Of course the other big question amidst the *sexual harassment* scandal is how many women aren't accusing him because they did sleep with him and feel like they got a great gig out of it, which means it wasn't so much harassment as rape? It's interesting that so many movies produced by the Weinsteins were highbrow dramas targeted at a female audience, which meant a lot more female actresses than your average thriller or scifi flick...which meant more women for Weinstein to harass.

    I suspect the federal government could bring charges if it examines Weinstein's records and determines that a whole lot of book and movie "deals" were nothing more than payoffs for people to keep quiet. That could mean serious jail time, not just exile from Hollywood. And it could mean jail time for the executives involved in those deals, not just Harvey.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @guest, @Ivy

    You are really watering down the impact of the word rape by using it so cavalierly.

  80. @Harry Baldwin
    @Perspective

    I had to laugh that the reason Fonda said Weinstein didn't hit on her but went for the young ones is that they're more "vulnerable." Uhhh . . . yeah, that's it.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    The one caught on audio was a happa. Half flip. Jewish guys have serious yellow fever. It could be a high-IQ male thing.

  81. @notice
    If there is any real surprise, its that Weinstein just didn't get expensive call girls in his hotel rooms instead of risking having an actress he'd try to force himself onto calling the police. That is surprising. He must have been supremely confident in how badly these young women wanted to be in the movies.

    Replies: @theMann, @guest, @Alden, @CK, @BB753, @dfordoom

    He forced himself upon many only in the loose sense, I think. It doesn’t require unusual confidence to think that you can get away with pressuring young women desperate for fame into sex. So long as you’re the rock in the middle of the road to fame.

    It’s relatively easy for even unattractive men in Harv’s position to find non-prostitute prostitutes. I’m almost certain there were plenty of would-be starlets attracted enough to him. But he wanted everyone!

  82. @PiltdownMan

    For the past week I’ve been pacing my apartment in a hypomanic state...
     
    Why does a certain type of modern liberal writer fib in this particular, rather obvious manner?

    Of course, it is possible she actually was in a hypomanic state. Apparently, one of the clinical symptoms of hypomania is inflated self-esteem or grandiosity.

    Replies: @2Mintzin1, @guest

    Why doesn’t she just call it a manic state, if she’s going to hyperbolize for our sympathy? Or has that become a cliche of phony psychological narratives?

    What is the difference between hypomania and a normal female mental state? Is the baseline hypo-hypomania, or hypo-hypo-hypomania?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @guest

    Hypomanic sounds bad, but is actually a pretty good state to be in. Teddy Roosevelt was hypomanic for most of his life.

    Replies: @candid_observer

  83. @guest
    @PiltdownMan

    Why doesn't she just call it a manic state, if she's going to hyperbolize for our sympathy? Or has that become a cliche of phony psychological narratives?

    What is the difference between hypomania and a normal female mental state? Is the baseline hypo-hypomania, or hypo-hypo-hypomania?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Hypomanic sounds bad, but is actually a pretty good state to be in. Teddy Roosevelt was hypomanic for most of his life.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @Steve Sailer

    We have again today a Hypomanic in Chief.

    He's going to drive his enemies into the grave through nervous exhaustion.

  84. @Wilkey
    "If there is any real surprise, its that Weinstein just didn’t get expensive call girls in his hotel rooms instead of risking having an actress he’d try to force himself onto calling the police."

    You don't think he was paying for expensive call girls, as well? How profoundly naive of you. Of course the other big question amidst the *sexual harassment* scandal is how many women aren't accusing him because they did sleep with him and feel like they got a great gig out of it, which means it wasn't so much harassment as rape? It's interesting that so many movies produced by the Weinsteins were highbrow dramas targeted at a female audience, which meant a lot more female actresses than your average thriller or scifi flick...which meant more women for Weinstein to harass.

    I suspect the federal government could bring charges if it examines Weinstein's records and determines that a whole lot of book and movie "deals" were nothing more than payoffs for people to keep quiet. That could mean serious jail time, not just exile from Hollywood. And it could mean jail time for the executives involved in those deals, not just Harvey.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @guest, @Ivy

    “how many women aren’t accusing him because they did sleep with him and feel like they got a great gig out of it, which means it wasn’t so much harassment as rape”

    You lost me. If there was a quid pro quo involved, that would suggest it wasn’t rape. Could be he’s saying, “Here, take this role instead of going to the cops.” But more likely it was an implied, “Sleep with me and I’ll boost your career.”

    • Replies: @Alden
    @guest

    It's more like if you don't sleep with me I'll destroy your career.

    Replies: @guest

    , @Wilkey
    @guest

    You lost me. If there was a quid pro quo involved, that would suggest it wasn’t rape. Could be he’s saying, “Here, take this role instead of going to the cops.” But more likely it was an implied, “Sleep with me and I’ll boost your career.”

    "Let me fuck you and good things will happen. Don't let me fuck you and bad things will happen."

    Sounds like rape to me. Also sounds a little like prostitution. And also something a lot of actresses won't want to admit to having done, if their careers were launched on the back of Harvey's ejaculate. The vast majority of the stories thus far have involved the women *not* giving in to Weinstein's demands, other than not reporting him or accepting some sort of settlement to keep quiet. The women who did yield to his demands won't find it so easy to go public.

    This was rape, and a whole lot of people in Hollywood knew it was happening, and knew it was happening in a lot of other studios in Tinseltown. More of these people stood for Roman Polanski than for Elia Kazan when they received their Oscars in 2003 and 1999, respectively.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @StillCARealist, @JohnnyWalker123, @guest, @Dumbo

  85. We might end up with a pretty good accounting of all the women who were propositioned / molested by Weinstein but I have a running bet with myself that we will not hear of a single women out of many more who acquiesced in order to advance her career.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    @Prof. Woland

    This whole episode is about women, and white knights, rationalizing the latter into the former.

  86. @Buzz Mohawk

    ...like pieces of a broken mirror being glued back in place, the cracks now forever visible.
     
    More broken glass! What is it about that theme that has such appeal to these women?

    Replies: @AM, @Alden, @Expletive Deleted

    I think the pieces of a broken mirror being put back together is a rip off from a feminazi review of an incoherent Maya Angelou novel.

    The idea was read the worthless book and try to figure it out. Pieces of a broken mirror comes up a lot in feminazi garbling.

    The casting couch and perversion hasn’t changed in 100 years. Check out this book by Scotty Bowers. “Confessions of a sex escort to the stars”

    Everyone knows about the casting couch, the drugs, drink and sex. All this horror and disbelief are just falsehoods.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    @Alden

    Very cynical, Alden, though true.

    I was trying to fimd the other weasel commentor who was trying to say 'it is just OK。they are all knowing the deal' (with different wording).

    Weinstein strongly resembles Jabba the Hutt (am knowing that I am likely not the first to saying it, but resemblance is striking).

    In a box, within my rental box, I have Mailer's book about Marilyn Monroe, so I can't providing the exact quotes.

    Am gathering that Mailer was an arsehole, he probably was getting away with murder once.

    Point here, he says that she was to be given a terrible internal (and likely external) infection by a Jewish or producer on the 'casting couch' before she was famous, sterilised by it.

    So, it is seeming to go on and on.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden

  87. @guest
    @Wilkey

    "how many women aren't accusing him because they did sleep with him and feel like they got a great gig out of it, which means it wasn't so much harassment as rape"

    You lost me. If there was a quid pro quo involved, that would suggest it wasn't rape. Could be he's saying, "Here, take this role instead of going to the cops." But more likely it was an implied, "Sleep with me and I'll boost your career."

    Replies: @Alden, @Wilkey

    It’s more like if you don’t sleep with me I’ll destroy your career.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Alden

    That still wouldn't be rape. Even if destroying their careers meant they'd be starving on the Mean Streets.

    Replies: @WIlkey

  88. One feminist liberal I know is carrying on about ” Why hasn’t SAG done anything about Weinstein?”

    I’m sure the Screen Actors Guild could not care less about what the girls and boys have to do to get a start.

    The only good thing about SAG is it’s medical insurance.

    Who did the movie people think they were fooling?

    • Replies: @AM
    @Alden


    Who did the movie people think they were fooling?
     
    Liberal feminists.
  89. @notice
    If there is any real surprise, its that Weinstein just didn't get expensive call girls in his hotel rooms instead of risking having an actress he'd try to force himself onto calling the police. That is surprising. He must have been supremely confident in how badly these young women wanted to be in the movies.

    Replies: @theMann, @guest, @Alden, @CK, @BB753, @dfordoom

    He seemed to prefer taking off his clothes and jacking off in front of women who didn’t want to be in the same room with him let alone look at a 350 pd sack of blubber jacking off. Sounds as though he got off at grossing everyone out.

    It’s a violation of section 647 of the common penal code used by most states.

  90. @Alden
    @guest

    It's more like if you don't sleep with me I'll destroy your career.

    Replies: @guest

    That still wouldn’t be rape. Even if destroying their careers meant they’d be starving on the Mean Streets.

    • Replies: @WIlkey
    @guest

    That still wouldn’t be rape. Even if destroying their careers meant they’d be starving on the Mean Streets.

    No, perhaps not. So maybe just a higher, more refined type of Not Quite Rape.

    Jeff Sessions' Justice Department better be ready to take full advantage of the opportunity this scandal provides. By exposing the sexual harassment, the not quite rape, and the deals that are made to keep people quiet - keep in mind those deals often involve the press, not just showbiz (which are barely distinguishable these days) he could utterly destroy the credibility of the industry. And he should. This scandal goes deep.

    Replies: @anon, @theMann

  91. @Forbes
    Steve posts Casablanca film clip for the 123rd time in...2...1...

    Replies: @anonymous

    People under 40, who ain’t “film buffs” have never seen Casablanca. By the way, I thought iSteve did a nice job of pointing out that Rains “shocked, shocked” isn’t remembered correctly.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @anonymous

    Casablanca was just liberal propaganda designed to ram the USA into WW2. Very early on you can catch some dialogue that shows that Rick the hero was a gun runner for the Russian communist side in the Spanish civil war. He has warrants out in America for the illegal gun running in a good cause beloved by Jews and liberals, to establish a Soviet gulag in Spain.

    Then there is the the nazis are coming to kill all the Jews, the nazis are coming the nazis are coming.

    And I can't stand Ingrid Bergman or Katherine Hepburn. Bergman is a giantess, much too big to play with normal or even large size men. Ever compared her 4 ft wide shoulders to the men's normal shoulders? And she has a fat face. The only TV channel I watch is Turner movies because its the only channell where the movie isn't interrupted every 3 minutes by some ad featuring blacks. So I've seen a lot of Ingrid Bergman movies. She's big and ugly. But it's a good movie if you ignore the liberal propaganda and don't watch Bergman's scenes.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  92. • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anonymous

    Kimmel is an opportunist. He knows that if he goes after Weinstein, his "career" could come to an abrupt end.

  93. The Hollywood scandals are just a microcosm of how Jews act toward goys when they get power over us in any institution. They clearly hate us and enjoy debasing us goys. The actresses and boy actors at least get a shot at stardom by prostituting themselves to Jewish entertainment execs. What do the rest of us get from what is largely Jewish control of the “news” media and our wars as well as heavy Jewish influence on institutions such as academia, publishing and law?

    I see plenty of downsides including: trying to start a race war against whites by one-sided and distorted coverage of violence and discrimination (blame whitey!), demonizing whites as the problem while turning whites into a minority, promoting feminism and gender fluidity ideology and laws to breakup white families, disseminating propaganda to get whites to have fewer kids to save the environment, indoctrinating white children from an early age to not respect white achievements and only see the dark side even if imaginary, leading much of the effort to wage wars Jews to protect Israel that goys get to fight and pay for, making sure careers can be easily destroyed when goys notice Jewish control and hatred of us, and alternating between ignoring and celebrating the destruction of the white working class. None of this is subtle. Where is the up side for any of this?

    The hatred Jews have for whites and the one-sided love affair of whites for Jews and Israel is best summed up by the Pew study on the views of people of other religions. As expected, the group evangelical Christians most loved is Jews. The group most hated by Jews is evangelical Christians.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @TheBoom

    I think pronounced Philo-Semitism is a feature of certain strains of Evangelical Christianity rather than of Evangelical Christianity generally. A lot of it has to do with attempts at literal interpretation of the most allegorical book in the bible, Revelation/The Apocalypse.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Skinhead
    @TheBoom

    And the constant promotion of interracial sex and miscegenation in TV, movies, and advertisements not to mention porn.

    , @Alden
    @TheBoom

    I read Jewish publications all the time. I've also read a lot of books detailing imaginary persecution and discrimination against Jews.

    I think one reason Jews hate Evangilicals so much is the old KKK. Remember, the KKK was officially an anti Jew & Catholic organization as well as anti black. The Klan even managed to get Catholic schools made illegal in a few states but the courts overturned those laws under the first amendment.

    Jews have never forgotten anything that has happened to them in the last 6,ooo years. They have never ever forgotten and will never forget that the White southern and midwestern protestant Klan was anti Jew.

    Since Klan members were White southern and midwestern protestants,, therefore 90 years later, White southern protestants must be KKK and anti Jew. Of course all those black evangilicals are saints. it's also the disdain for southerners of the northern so called intellectuals that goes back to the puritan abolitionists who started the war of northern aggression.

    It's also a way of splitting Whites. All us northern and western Whites are supposed to be all disdainful of all those dumb southerners instead of standing up for all Whites as I do.

  94. @anonymous
    So Dana Stevens is the only one who didn't know about Wienstien? LOL> Of course they all knew it, but now Twitter is blowing up with all of the celebrities and hang arounds trying to get ahead of this storm. Nobody knew anything. They are all full of shit. One thing is certain, these things usually don't stop with one individual. The best is yet to come.

    Replies: @415 reasons, @Anon

    Meryl Streep had no idea. Of course she was sitting in the audience at the Oscars in 2013, nominated for Best Supporting Actress, when Seth Macfarlane joked that the nominees for that award would no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein, but I’m sure she either wasn’t listening or couldn’t understand what he meant. People who’ve been in Hollywood their entire adult lives tend to be very sheltered so I’m sure this joke (if she heard it) was confusing and didn’t really register any meaning at all

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @415 reasons

    Am bummed over Dame Judy's denials. Then again, she lives in Merrie Olde Englonde where they don't do that sort of thing lest they scare the horses. At least that's what I would like to think anyway.

    , @Anon
    @415 reasons

    Streep takes herself so seriously as an actress, but her political persona is beginning to resemble Lucille Ball. A big joke.

    She's such a free-thinking independent woman... but she is even more naive than Kay about Michael in THE GODFATHER. Even Kay had more sense. Streep is like Kay as Lucille Ball in a real-life comedy with Weinstein as Jewish Michael. Meeeeeeerrrrryll.

  95. I find it odd a film critic, of all people, would be “shocked”. I thought film critics detested Weinstein. He finances the sort of middle-brow audience friendly Oscar-worthy schlock (“Shakespeare in Love” being the best example) that bien-pensants love to criticize. Culture snob that I am, I have detested Weinstein for years, based on nothing other than his taste in movies.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "He finances the sort of middle-brow audience friendly Oscar-worthy schlock ('Shakespeare in Love' being the best example) that bien-pensants love to criticize"

    You're right about awards-grubbing, for which he was routinely criticized. But you miss the overall brilliance of the way Miramax manipulated movie criticdom. Because at least for a time he gave them just about exactly what they wanted (apart from award-grubbing) without alienating mass audiences.

    See, orthodox mainstream professional film critics *are* middlebrow. (With exceptions.) They're at the Tennessee Coates level of intellect, if they're lucky. Why would someone of superior intelligence choose to be a film critic? (Unless he could be Roger Ebert. But there can only be one, if any, of those at a time.)

    Unlike, say, literary critics these days, their jobs were supposedly tied to actually giving practical advice to moviegoers, who largely range from moderate to low intelligence. They don't just predict what moviegoers would be happy seeing, of course. They inevitably set up their own alternate reality of Critical Opinion, which is more recondite and exclusive than regular person opinion. But by no means is it truly highbrow, and what passes for highbrow culture since modernism is degenerate and since postmodernism trashy and weird and degenerate, anyway.

    Pre-established highbrow films they recognize, like those of Bergman or Kubrick, for instance. But when it comes to new movies, how would they know? There won't always be smarter people around to inform them. So they go by a few trusted (by them) indicators. Weinstein's company was masterful at exploiting false indications of hipness and highbrowedness.

    Here are a few of the tricks:

    1.) Epater la Bourgeoisie

    This is why you brought up "audience friendly," and why pretentious criticdom is normally expected to denigrate middle-brow fare. Around the turn of the 20th century (allegedly) High Art forgot how popular artists like Michelangelo, Shakespeare, and Beethoven can be, and decided shocking normal people was one of the essential marks of greatness. Thereafter, anything Babbitt liked couldn't possibly be High Art.

    Well, professional critics can't go quite so far as the Decadent Poets. So they end up recommending movies like Shakespeare in Love, which any old "housefrau" (a favorite insult of hipsters) can enjoy. Though it's not trash as you have it--some of it is very clever--it is by no means a highbrow film (if you know anything about Shakespeare or the time, many of the jokes are too obvious for comment), and certainly it's meant to please audiences. But if you pay close enough attention (need not be all that close, really), you'll notice it's not meant to be taken straight as a story of Elizabethan courtship, the struggle of artistic expression, or the practical difficulties of putting on a commercially successful play.

    It's a farcical comedy, and those are typically driven by a series of highly improbable coincidences and Idiot Plots. But in this case, one gets the feeling it's not supposed to be taken seriously at all, and if you touch it at any point with the lightest delicacy, it falls apart. That's because it's quasi-postmodern movie, or passes for one. It's about Showbiz, which Hollywood naturally likes. But it's also self-referential and doesn't take anything too seriously, which makes contemporary critics feel smart for liking it. Mass audiences, for their part, can mistake it for a romance, and both parties are happy.

    That's a mild form of "shock the middle-class." Weinstein traveled upon more obvious routes with The Crying Game: crossdressing, homosex; Pulp Fiction: more in-your-face postmodernism, graphic violence, the n-word; and so forth.

    2). Ideology/Issue Movies

    If it's liberal, it's smart. Because the Other Guys are the dumb ones. Miramax wasn't usually overtly political. But messages was usually in there, or could be easily decoded with a home kit. Failing any particular political point, there is the phenomenon of Issues. Rain Man (not a Miramax movie), for instance, would've been a buddy road comedy if MIT for the Big Issue of autism, which is why it win Best Picture. Being a good flick alone isn't enough.

    Life Is Beautiful is basically an Abbott and Costello movie in the first part, and would be beneath comment for criticdom. But then it becomes a Holocaust movie, like Hogan's Heroes if Bob Crane stumbled into a pile of dead bodies at the end of the episode. It gets to be serious, and critics are allowed to esteem it.

    Can be even simpler than that. Shine had mental illness, Sling Blade had retardation. Even Shakespeare in Love had a bit of Women's Lib. Speaking of which...

    3). Strong, Independent Women

    This is why female movie people are especially touchy about Harv's downfall. Miramax was home to many of movie with Strong Female Leads. Something they pretend Hollywood doesn't do, or at least try, all the time. Elizabeth I in Shakespeare in Love is basically a superheroine, with psychic powers. Without the Strong Female Lead, Chocolate is a tacky food romance. Ah, but it has something else...

    4). Quirkiness

    This is related to "shock the middle-class," though immeasurably milder. Critics like the hipster feel, and one of the easiest ways to achieve that is through quirkiness, or soft weirdness. If Chocolate took place in Kansas, it would be utterly unnotable. Unless it went another way with the quirkiness, like giving the confectioner a day job at the mortuary. But it's about France, which is allowed to be quaint in a hipster-friendly way. France plus strong female lead equals okay to be caught enjoying.

    There are other indicators, but there's a sampling of why criticdom was taken in by Miramax.

    , @Anon
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I find it odd a film critic, of all people, would be “shocked”. I thought film critics detested Weinstein. He finances the sort of middle-brow audience friendly Oscar-worthy schlock

    This is Dana Stevens here, not Jonathan Rosenbaum(who regularly attacked Weinstein and NY critics like Denby and Maslin. Stevens is essentially middlebrow. But then, middlebrow is usually the best place to be in film culture.

  96. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Cucksworth
    I think the idea a lot of people have is to ignore this story and try to get it in the memory hole as fast as possible. Wienstein had at least 13 extra years on his career when the original stories about him in 2004 were killed off. Do you think the late night hosts are going to be making Weinstein jokes for the next few years? This story is intended to be gone and done with by monday.

    October for jews represents a time for 'washing away'. This almost seems like a limited hangout, to pick the low hanging, ripe fruit off the tree so the rest can continue to grow, or maybe a controlled burn of a forest so new, more perverted trees can grow in place of the old.

    this one guy went too far: archive.is/noQMI http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/246724/the-specifically-jewy-perviness-of-harvey-weinstein and had to apologize. And too many people rip on the Gawker, but that was an amazing news source. http://defamer.gawker.com/tell-us-what-you-know-about-harvey-weinsteins-open-sec-1695071092

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon

    It’s pervieness all right.

    Weinstein is a subbie. Exposing himself. Begging for a massage instead of simply demanding sex.

    Anthony Wiener also. A flasher. At least he wasn’t physically repellant but more than made up for that by hitting on under age girls.

    Rapists don’t typically take their clothes off and beg for sex. And women who went for these invitations? It is an admission that they agreed to undesirable sex to further their careers. Why not frame yourself as a rape victim?

    Women seem to be especially repulsed by the submissive male behavior. They are lining up for 50 Shades, no? There is more than enough to justify outrage, but on a deep, emotional level — it repulses them. To be subjected to a guy debasing and humiliating himself. Ugly on top of it all.

    Sexual harassment is an abuse of power, but Weinstein batted from the other side. The power, which is essential to the harassment charge, is the second order power of getting away with it.

    Bet the author of this piece is on the bandwagon for Trans. But a man acting a little subby rattles the foundation of their world view.

    • Replies: @anon
    @anon

    At the moment, Harvey is still a White Man Behaving Badly, and no one in the GayStream Media has done any Noticing.
    Until a Virginia Rappe turns up, it's all speculation.

    , @Lurker
    @anon


    Anthony Wiener also. A flasher. At least he wasn’t physically repellant
     
    Sure, he's repellent in a different way to HW, but physically repellent nonetheless.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @dfordoom
    @anon


    Women seem to be especially repulsed by the submissive male behavior.
     
    Of course they're repulsed by it. And rightly so.

    That's why feminism has made women crazy. Feminism has turned the entire male sex into submissives and then, surprise surprise, women discover that they're nauseated by the idea of having sex with submissive men.
    , @Bernardista
    @anon

    Aren't the actors who've jumped on the anti-everything white bandwagon debasing themselves in a way, as well?

    Maybe they think it's attractive to women, but it's not. Unless you're Lena Dunham, that is.

  97. The movie industry I’ve known for the past 30 years—and written about for more than a third of that time—is reconstituting itself in my mind this week like pieces of a broken mirror being glued back in place, the cracks now forever visible.

    There was a time when I thought that most liberal opinion journalists, for all their faults and evil, were at least less dingbatty boobs than were most right-wing journalists (c.f. National Review). I have increasingly had to revise this thesis as I witness their reactions to Donald Trump, and this one takes the cake.

    Seriously. The stupid twit makes her bread and butter writing about movies for a major periodical and she has no idea of the reality of the drugs, the casting couches or Judith Phillips’s You’ll Never Eat Lunch in This Town Again?!

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Nico

    Guess she never heard of Fatty Arbuckle.

  98. @anon
    @Cucksworth

    It's pervieness all right.

    Weinstein is a subbie. Exposing himself. Begging for a massage instead of simply demanding sex.

    Anthony Wiener also. A flasher. At least he wasn't physically repellant but more than made up for that by hitting on under age girls.

    Rapists don't typically take their clothes off and beg for sex. And women who went for these invitations? It is an admission that they agreed to undesirable sex to further their careers. Why not frame yourself as a rape victim?

    Women seem to be especially repulsed by the submissive male behavior. They are lining up for 50 Shades, no? There is more than enough to justify outrage, but on a deep, emotional level -- it repulses them. To be subjected to a guy debasing and humiliating himself. Ugly on top of it all.

    Sexual harassment is an abuse of power, but Weinstein batted from the other side. The power, which is essential to the harassment charge, is the second order power of getting away with it.

    Bet the author of this piece is on the bandwagon for Trans. But a man acting a little subby rattles the foundation of their world view.

    Replies: @anon, @Lurker, @dfordoom, @Bernardista

    At the moment, Harvey is still a White Man Behaving Badly, and no one in the GayStream Media has done any Noticing.
    Until a Virginia Rappe turns up, it’s all speculation.

  99. The problem with the critics is the Weinstien Bros remade the film industry in the 1990s. Nice guys don’t pull off what the Weinsteins did. Pigs that alawys want more do. It wasn’t assault, it was chutzpah! I think Pulp Fiction was worth it.

  100. I have spent the last decade weaning myself off Hollywood’s malevolent fare. It’s become easier and easier as everything seems to be stories about horrible people doing horrible things. But it’s been completely obvious that Hollywood is filled with evil. And I know that as a single person and a southern town who doesn’t work anywhere near the entertainment business. Anyone in the entertainment business, pretending to be shocked is lying. But it’s par for the course because anyone connected with the entertainment business has already sold their soul. But it’s not too late. Forgiveness is available for everyone.

  101. @nebulafox
    And yet you people enthusiastically voted a sexual harasser into the Oval Office in the 1990s.

    OT: I'm taking a break, perhaps permanently, from iSteve. Lot of reasons, but I'm spending way too much time here, and I have bigger priorities in my life than politics now. I'm not so arrogant to think that people care (or should care)-I'm just posting this for the record to make sure I stick to this promise. I've learned a lot here and am grateful.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Buzz Mohawk, @anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @dr kill, @Chrisnonymous, @anon

    You People means not an American voter. Settle down.

  102. Here’s a great writeback by one fitzhamilton:

    This is really richly amusing, coming from someone who defended Polanski, coming form someone writing in an electronic rag that has always been an apologist for the Bill and Hill Show. This is how sexual and gender politics work in the sick, stupid culture: If a powerful man mouths the proper platitudes about abortion and all of the rest of the “life style left’s” agenda, he has free license to publicly abuse powerless lower class white women like Polanski and Bill’s victims. They can have lots of brown and biege women and girls as well without complaint or consequence as well, if that happens to be their thing, though it rarely is.

    What shocks poor Dana here is the knowledge that rich powerful “elightened” supposedly feminist women whom she admires and identifies with, professional women with money high class educations proper accents and pedigrees, who have all the proper “high class” opinions and aspirations, have been quietly prostituting themselves to a fat pig for decades. Because let’s be really specific here, that’s what this scandal means. Hundreds of women have either consented to Harvey’s advances for the sake of getting movie roles and other perquisites, or else have enabled him by their silence or – very often – their willing and active collusion in covering his behavior up. Few of the women who actually consented to him are going to talk about it now, but there hundreds of them out there.

    So much for your vaunted sisterhood Dana. Lean in. Harvey’s got a project he wants you to see.

    The likes of Paltrow and Jolie have sold their integrity to Harvey through their decades of consent and silence. Look at Gwen in that picture. Think about what Harvey did to her, what she consented to. She is still standing there next to him. Keep on apologizing for the Clintons and Polanski Dana. You’re a fraud, just like Gwen.

    In another thread I argued that modern American liberals appear to suffer from some sort of scrupulousity-related OCD whereupon their anxiety “spikes” come from witnessing or veering too close to “thought crimes” (obsession) and that their shoutdowns and spazoid screeds are the related avoidance/purgation ritual (compulsion). This is yet another example: a yuppie feminist completely broken up at the idea that, *in 2017*, a free and autonomous woman could be a hybristophile through no fault of any male, or choose to use her sexuality as currency.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Nico

    "professional women with money high class educations proper accents and pedigrees,"

    Most actresses never went to college. Lisa Kudrow did but she is the rare exception. A lot, a lot of actresses dropped out of high school. Pedigrees? I don't understand. Almost all actresses and actors come from very modest backgrounds and always have. Reese Witherspoon and Nicole Kidman come from solid upper middle class backgrounds, but most don't.

    Many male MBAs go into the financial marketing business side of the industry, because so much money can be made in such a short time. You'll find educated people in the business side, not the talent.

    A lot of writers and directors and film editors did a film studies degree but that's just a piece of paper, not an education.

  103. Jack Hanson says:

    I see we are at the phase of iSteve where the handwringing intensifies to the point of setting off smoke alarms.

    “Oh feminists will use this…” WHO CARES? Feminism is a dead philosophy pushed by exposed hypocrites. Hollywood is current having its load bearing pylons dynamited out from under it and some of you losers are sweating fourth stage possible knock on effects.

  104. I have never liked movies very much. I tried to when I was young, but the only ones I totally enjoyed were Cliff Richard in Summer Holiday (the first movie I ever saw, and a seminal influence on my whole life) and the next was the Sound of Music when I was 13. I also saw the Beatles in A Hard Day’s Night, which was pretty crummy but the girls liked it.

    My current favorite is South Pacific. I knew all the songs when I was a child. The Life of Brian was rather amusing, but I would not want to see it too many times. Jaws had a few exciting moments.

    But really most movies are totally formulaic. The money is all spent on the first 10 minutes of the movie shot on location showing herds of antelope crossing the veldt at sunrise or a pirate ship docking in the Caribbean, then it is all back to the studio and a couple of soundstages where people with perfectly capped teeth and access to daily barbering recite their lines, dive underwater in tanks and fight with toy sharks, and never really let you forget that you are watching actors who are being watched by camera and lights operators and people ready to comb them if a hair gets out of place.

    The worst thing is when movies try to educate you about something kind of controversial, like homosexual shepherds, or people with disabilities doing great things, or if they have Jack Nicholson in them.

    Children’s movies are terrible, because they are made by adults who hate children, but want to pry money out of the wallets of adults.

    So now you know that the female actresses probably got their roles by pleasuring the right people. OH-MY-GAHD. Life will never be the same again, although the invention of the birth control pill in the mid sixties has obviously greatly benefited the movie industry.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Jonathan Mason

    Children’s movies are terrible, because they are made by adults who hate children, but want to pry money out of the wallets of adults.

    Think Disney, which employed Weinstein for 12 years. And which continues to fire conservatives at ESPN but not liberals. And which laid off hundreds of its American IT staff after all but forcing them to train their H-1B replacements. And most of whose recent animated movies have ended with the guy not getting the girl. And whose largest stockholder, Steve Jobs's widow, is pouring millions into destroying America via open borders.

  105. @anonymous
    @Pat Boyle

    A lot of guys remember your first wife. ;)

    Replies: @2Mintzin1, @Father O'Hara

    Keep those punches up, Mr. Anonymous.

  106. @notice
    If there is any real surprise, its that Weinstein just didn't get expensive call girls in his hotel rooms instead of risking having an actress he'd try to force himself onto calling the police. That is surprising. He must have been supremely confident in how badly these young women wanted to be in the movies.

    Replies: @theMann, @guest, @Alden, @CK, @BB753, @dfordoom

    It is actually not a surprise at all that he didn’t use call girls. Paying someone to watch you fertilize a potted plant makes you the humiliated party not the watcher.
    If you want to play humiliation games with a professional escort, the price escalates and it must be paid up front.
    If you try to humiliate said professional too much; the professional’s minder/driver will explain to you in a most dainty fashion just how much pain you can endure.
    The purpose was too humiliate the shiksa girls. Pretty little interchangeable shiksas rubbing him down, watching him fertilize a potted plant, etc. In return they become this weeks New Big Deal and get to wear Georgina Chapman fashions on the red carpet.
    These were transactions between pigs.

  107. For the past week I’ve been pacing my apartment in a hypomanic state, pretending to get work done while following…

    OK, granted, the lady is a movie critic, so it’s her living, but that line made me wonder if I’d do any pacing and worrying due to scandals in Hollywood. No, I’m pretty sure all the studios they’ve got could burn to the ground, and I wouldn’t even click on the Drudge headline. I doubt I’d walk around my house any faster or any slower.

    People can make movies anywhere they want anymore. Hollywood is obsolete, but the glamor is what’s keeping it in business, meaning the lamoes who buy People magazine.

    BTW, I really though, Steve, that, by “literally“, you really meant it. I though we were going to learn that our movie critic built up enough static while pacing on the carpet to shock herself senseless on the wrought iron stair-railing, saw the light, and started watching Camille Paglia videos.

  108. Is there a version of ‘the talk’ that should be given to girls, and boys, about Weinstein types? Why aren’t the feminists recommending a special talk?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @George

    Feminazis urge very young like 13 and 14 year old girls to have sex. But they never, never explain that the boys their age want sex more to brag to their friends than they want sex. And older boys and young men are just as bad. It's the feminazis who forced the public schools to have the school nurses make presentations that they give out condoms.

    Woman use sex to get love and men use love to get sex. Men want sex without love, or even friendship.

    That's what girls should be taught. Also, the best way to get a man is to withhold sex.

    there are many bad things about public schools. Other than the screeching jabbering animals in ghetto schools the worst thing is the sex education classes in all public middle and high schools. I don't think most feminazis have any brothers or men friends or know much about men at all. Why they think high school girls should be taught to have sex with anyone who comes along I have no idea.

    Maybe the feminazis are secret allies of men who want sex without commitment, friendship, courtship but without paying a prostitute.

  109. @notice
    If there is any real surprise, its that Weinstein just didn't get expensive call girls in his hotel rooms instead of risking having an actress he'd try to force himself onto calling the police. That is surprising. He must have been supremely confident in how badly these young women wanted to be in the movies.

    Replies: @theMann, @guest, @Alden, @CK, @BB753, @dfordoom

    There’s a very thin line between expensive call girls and young actresses (or models, for that matter).

  110. @guest
    @Wilkey

    "how many women aren't accusing him because they did sleep with him and feel like they got a great gig out of it, which means it wasn't so much harassment as rape"

    You lost me. If there was a quid pro quo involved, that would suggest it wasn't rape. Could be he's saying, "Here, take this role instead of going to the cops." But more likely it was an implied, "Sleep with me and I'll boost your career."

    Replies: @Alden, @Wilkey

    You lost me. If there was a quid pro quo involved, that would suggest it wasn’t rape. Could be he’s saying, “Here, take this role instead of going to the cops.” But more likely it was an implied, “Sleep with me and I’ll boost your career.”

    “Let me fuck you and good things will happen. Don’t let me fuck you and bad things will happen.”

    Sounds like rape to me. Also sounds a little like prostitution. And also something a lot of actresses won’t want to admit to having done, if their careers were launched on the back of Harvey’s ejaculate. The vast majority of the stories thus far have involved the women *not* giving in to Weinstein’s demands, other than not reporting him or accepting some sort of settlement to keep quiet. The women who did yield to his demands won’t find it so easy to go public.

    This was rape, and a whole lot of people in Hollywood knew it was happening, and knew it was happening in a lot of other studios in Tinseltown. More of these people stood for Roman Polanski than for Elia Kazan when they received their Oscars in 2003 and 1999, respectively.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Wilkey


    The women who did yield to his demands won’t find it so easy to go public.
     
    She might be the first woman to admit to seeking her pound of flesh since the Merchant of Venice.

    Replies: @AM

    , @StillCARealist
    @Wilkey

    Rape and prostitution dwell together nicely in symbiosis. Casual sex encourages all this murkiness of judgment and comes back to haunt both men and women, for different reasons, even decades afterwards. Alcohol and drugs are part of the foundation.

    Everybody involved in this filthy behavior needs to be shamed and embarrassed. Don't think for a minute that the women making accusations aren't feeling like trash right now.

    Replies: @guest, @res

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Wilkey

    It's definitely prostitution.

    My guess is that Harvey Weinstein comes onto women sexually and, if they let him do what he wants, he gives them a role in one his movies. If they refuse, no role. Not sure whether I'd call it "rape," but it's definitely coercive and probably illegal.

    The "casting couch" has been a very common practice in the entertainment (tv/movies, music, fashion/modeling) industry for decades. Probably less common now, but still happens enough. Weinstein's sin wasn't that he harassed women, his sin was that he called attention to the widespread nature of sexual predation and prostitution in Hollywood/music/modeling. That's why everyone hates him.

    Lots of entertainers moonlight as escorts to pay the bills too. So if a rich fat cat like Harvey Weinstein wants to be your sugar daddy, it's actually a big break too. I bet that when Weinstein came onto those women, some probably figured that they could make some serious money off servicing him (while also getting a role in a movie).

    It's not just straight male predators and female prostitutes. Lots of gay men demand sexual favors from aspiring male actors/musicians/models. If you play along, you get the role. Lots of famous men (especially Cruz and Travolta) are well known to have used this path to attain fame/celebrity. More than a few straight men enter "gigolo" agencies too so they can pay the bills. Contrary to what you may have heard, literally 100% of male "gigolos" service gay men. There is no market for straight women.....

    In conclusion, the entertainment industry (acting, music, modeling) is one huge whorehouse. A whorehouse in which males and females trade their bodies to powerful/wealthy sexual predators, so they can become famous or at least pay the bills. It's also a crack house, full of drug/alcohol addicts..........

    .....and these are the people who lecture us about gay rights, women's rights, human rights.........

    Replies: @anonguy, @guest, @MBlanc46, @Jack D

    , @guest
    @Wilkey

    It is like prostitution, and not a little. But it's not rape. I wonder how your mind works if you think it can be like prostitution and rape at the same time.

    , @Dumbo
    @Wilkey


    "More of these people stood for Roman Polanski"
     
    Why did they stand for Polanski (who arguably did something worse) and abandoning or backstabbing Weinstein? There is something else here that we are not being told.

    Also, apparently there was a major disagreement between the Weinstein brothers, so very likely there are other reasons besides sexual misconduct (which is really extremely common in Hollywood).
  111. @Jonathan Mason
    I have never liked movies very much. I tried to when I was young, but the only ones I totally enjoyed were Cliff Richard in Summer Holiday (the first movie I ever saw, and a seminal influence on my whole life) and the next was the Sound of Music when I was 13. I also saw the Beatles in A Hard Day's Night, which was pretty crummy but the girls liked it.

    My current favorite is South Pacific. I knew all the songs when I was a child. The Life of Brian was rather amusing, but I would not want to see it too many times. Jaws had a few exciting moments.

    But really most movies are totally formulaic. The money is all spent on the first 10 minutes of the movie shot on location showing herds of antelope crossing the veldt at sunrise or a pirate ship docking in the Caribbean, then it is all back to the studio and a couple of soundstages where people with perfectly capped teeth and access to daily barbering recite their lines, dive underwater in tanks and fight with toy sharks, and never really let you forget that you are watching actors who are being watched by camera and lights operators and people ready to comb them if a hair gets out of place.

    The worst thing is when movies try to educate you about something kind of controversial, like homosexual shepherds, or people with disabilities doing great things, or if they have Jack Nicholson in them.

    Children's movies are terrible, because they are made by adults who hate children, but want to pry money out of the wallets of adults.

    So now you know that the female actresses probably got their roles by pleasuring the right people. OH-MY-GAHD. Life will never be the same again, although the invention of the birth control pill in the mid sixties has obviously greatly benefited the movie industry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DxqdIA75sc

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Children’s movies are terrible, because they are made by adults who hate children, but want to pry money out of the wallets of adults.

    Think Disney, which employed Weinstein for 12 years. And which continues to fire conservatives at ESPN but not liberals. And which laid off hundreds of its American IT staff after all but forcing them to train their H-1B replacements. And most of whose recent animated movies have ended with the guy not getting the girl. And whose largest stockholder, Steve Jobs’s widow, is pouring millions into destroying America via open borders.

  112. HARVEY WEINSTEIN is the heart and soul of the Democrat Party.

    Harvey Weinstein has donated bags of cash to the Democrat Party. How are we to know that Harvey Weinstein hasn’t sneakily donated much, much more than any kind of donor list would show? We may never know what amount of cash that Harvey Weinstein slipped into Hillary Clinton’s pantsuit.

    The Harvey Weinstein Democrat Party must be crushed and completely destroyed. The Harvey Weinstein Democrat Party is made up of Jews, Blacks, Asians, Mestizos, some White government workers and other White wackos. The Harvey Weinstein Democrats must be destroyed.

    The ALT-RIGHT will be the political heroes who finally destroy the evil, anti-White rats in the Harvey Weinstein Democrat Party.

  113. @guest
    @Alden

    That still wouldn't be rape. Even if destroying their careers meant they'd be starving on the Mean Streets.

    Replies: @WIlkey

    That still wouldn’t be rape. Even if destroying their careers meant they’d be starving on the Mean Streets.

    No, perhaps not. So maybe just a higher, more refined type of Not Quite Rape.

    Jeff Sessions’ Justice Department better be ready to take full advantage of the opportunity this scandal provides. By exposing the sexual harassment, the not quite rape, and the deals that are made to keep people quiet – keep in mind those deals often involve the press, not just showbiz (which are barely distinguishable these days) he could utterly destroy the credibility of the industry. And he should. This scandal goes deep.

    • Replies: @anon
    @WIlkey

    It's categorically different than the traditional notion of rape, which was a capital crime. Forcing a woman to bear a stranger's child -- the stranger incidentally being a violent felon. And force was taken literally and excluded situations where a woman could walk away.

    The Italian actress claimed he forced her to let him perform oral sex on her. She was also upset that she felt as if she had to fake an orgasm to get it over with.

    Rhett Butler forced himself on Scarlett. He made her sit in a chair while he performed oral sex on her?

    Hey ... the general thesis of prostitution being sorta rape is like saying that property is sorta like theft.

    The campus snowflake is obsessed with the fact that he/she/it doesn't feel safe. As if feeling safe is as important as being safe.

    There is an inherent anti male aspect to broadening a violent, formerly capital crime to anything involving sex that sorta feels like rape.

    Prostitution is transactional sex of the most extreme sort. Pay cash in advance to a stranger.

    But social life itself is based on reciprocity which is transactional. Plus a lot more.

    It is mostly a massive shaming of a Hollywood Icon that was mean and made women feel bad. How appropriate that it is playing out on Twitter. And sure ... feed this guy to the the SJW virtue signalers who want to make hurting someone's feelings a crime. The groundswell of popularity for criminal penalties for hate speech. Which seems to focus on making an identity group feel bad.

    And by all means publicize all the graphic detail of his pervy style. Inquiring minds and all.

    Replies: @guest

    , @theMann
    @WIlkey

    Maybe all you legal types out there know better than me, but it seems:

    1. Rape is a crime against Chastity. I doubt very many rapes have occurred in the USA in 30 years.

    2. Assault is a Crime against the body. An easy case could be made for some number of assaults re Weinstein, but good luck prosecuting them with juries full of women.

    3. Extortion is a crime where 'provide me with benefit 'A', or bad thing 'B' will happen to you.


    Now I think we are getting somewhere. If all the extorted women got together and filed criminally and civilly under the RICO act, a Hollywood mogul and 500 of his feminist enables could all be going to prison or seriously fined. And I would buy that for a dollar.

  114. @PhDPepper
    From the reaction I'm seeing in my social world, this whole thing is successfully turning into a "men are awful and other men have to step up/bitch fest from 30+ professional gals with dwindling marriage prospects and ovaries to match". So, "I'm not as successful as I could have been because powerful men took advantage of me, and you, man in front of me, are who's really responsible" would be a good summation of their thinking.

    I'm more saddened by this than anything. These are otherwise decent women I'm talking about, but who don't realize, and who can't be told, how obnoxious there thinking is.

    Replies: @Neuday, @dfordoom

    Women, generally, don’t “think” too deeply, but they sure can “feel”.

  115. @Steve Sailer
    @guest

    Hypomanic sounds bad, but is actually a pretty good state to be in. Teddy Roosevelt was hypomanic for most of his life.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    We have again today a Hypomanic in Chief.

    He’s going to drive his enemies into the grave through nervous exhaustion.

  116. @Steve Sailer
    @anony-mouse

    He's your guy
    When stocks are high
    But beware when they start to descend
    Because that's when those louses
    Go back to their spouses

    Replies: @Clyde

    Hilarious and witty lyrics. I had to look it up.

  117. @TheBoom
    The Hollywood scandals are just a microcosm of how Jews act toward goys when they get power over us in any institution. They clearly hate us and enjoy debasing us goys. The actresses and boy actors at least get a shot at stardom by prostituting themselves to Jewish entertainment execs. What do the rest of us get from what is largely Jewish control of the "news" media and our wars as well as heavy Jewish influence on institutions such as academia, publishing and law?

    I see plenty of downsides including: trying to start a race war against whites by one-sided and distorted coverage of violence and discrimination (blame whitey!), demonizing whites as the problem while turning whites into a minority, promoting feminism and gender fluidity ideology and laws to breakup white families, disseminating propaganda to get whites to have fewer kids to save the environment, indoctrinating white children from an early age to not respect white achievements and only see the dark side even if imaginary, leading much of the effort to wage wars Jews to protect Israel that goys get to fight and pay for, making sure careers can be easily destroyed when goys notice Jewish control and hatred of us, and alternating between ignoring and celebrating the destruction of the white working class. None of this is subtle. Where is the up side for any of this?

    The hatred Jews have for whites and the one-sided love affair of whites for Jews and Israel is best summed up by the Pew study on the views of people of other religions. As expected, the group evangelical Christians most loved is Jews. The group most hated by Jews is evangelical Christians.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Skinhead, @Alden

    I think pronounced Philo-Semitism is a feature of certain strains of Evangelical Christianity rather than of Evangelical Christianity generally. A lot of it has to do with attempts at literal interpretation of the most allegorical book in the bible, Revelation/The Apocalypse.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Hibernian

    At first, Reformed and Protestant Christianity had a healthy attitude toward "Modern Judaism" (e.g., Talmudism) but it slowly got cucked with a little help from probably Jewish /marrano influences. The "British Israel" movement produced both the virulently anti-Talmudist Christian Identity movement, but much more influentially the modern "Christian Zionist" and premillennial tribulationist movements, beginning with Darby and the God-damned Scofield Reference Bible.

    Since after WWII televangelism became the driving force of "evangelical" Protestantism, the fact that televangelists and TV "ministries" spouting CZ and other Israel-worshipping, hypercucked pro-Zionist are the only ones that seem to get media access. Anyone skeptical of this theology or of pouring unlimited money and blood into Israel winds up out of the insanely lucrative televangelsit bsiness and preaching to a marginal rural congregation.

    Replies: @Alden

  118. @nebulafox
    And yet you people enthusiastically voted a sexual harasser into the Oval Office in the 1990s.

    OT: I'm taking a break, perhaps permanently, from iSteve. Lot of reasons, but I'm spending way too much time here, and I have bigger priorities in my life than politics now. I'm not so arrogant to think that people care (or should care)-I'm just posting this for the record to make sure I stick to this promise. I've learned a lot here and am grateful.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Buzz Mohawk, @anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @dr kill, @Chrisnonymous, @anon

    I tried to leave last year…

    Talk to you next month!

  119. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Dana has a lot of free time on her hands to pace up and down and obsess over that fat slob. “Many women” indeed! MOST women , like the menfolk, are probably too busy trying to make ends meet, with little time to obsess over how to resolve the actions of the Harvey Weinsteins of the world with the aspirations of “many women” such as the Dana Stevens of the world.

    As a footnote, how ironic that the company originally founded by Walt Disney–a man who, rightly or wrongly, was accused of being anti-Semite–was eventually taken over lock, stock and barrel, by Jews.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @anonymous

    D.W Griffen, Joe Kennedy and Walt Disney were among the few who survived Jewish takeovers of their studios. Therefore, they are anti semites.

    There is an Amazon series, "The Last Tycoon" It's about the movie industry in the 1930's. The bad guy head of the studio is named Pat Grady and sort of a Catholic.

    He is the bad guy and he is of course anti semitic. There are lots of non laudatory comments about Jews. I guess one of the underlying themes is that Hollywood goyim were always anti semitic and the poor oppressed down trodden Jews had to fight for their place in the industry. Grady's always doing dumb things but his Jew vice president always brilliantly fixes things.

    Grady is a nasty blackmailer as well. He, the Irish goy epitomizes everything bad about the industry. The Jews are the good guys. It's a good series if you can take the propaganda.

  120. @Lagertha
    @Buzz Mohawk

    we all wish we could quit Steve. But, we also know the adverse affects of pills, booze, general ennui. Plus, it is so much fun to look up witty banter while the world burns.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    We’re all fiddlers now.

  121. @Nico

    The movie industry I’ve known for the past 30 years—and written about for more than a third of that time—is reconstituting itself in my mind this week like pieces of a broken mirror being glued back in place, the cracks now forever visible.
     
    There was a time when I thought that most liberal opinion journalists, for all their faults and evil, were at least less dingbatty boobs than were most right-wing journalists (c.f. National Review). I have increasingly had to revise this thesis as I witness their reactions to Donald Trump, and this one takes the cake.

    Seriously. The stupid twit makes her bread and butter writing about movies for a major periodical and she has no idea of the reality of the drugs, the casting couches or Judith Phillips's You'll Never Eat Lunch in This Town Again?!

    Replies: @anonymous

    Guess she never heard of Fatty Arbuckle.

  122. @415 reasons
    @anonymous

    Meryl Streep had no idea. Of course she was sitting in the audience at the Oscars in 2013, nominated for Best Supporting Actress, when Seth Macfarlane joked that the nominees for that award would no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein, but I'm sure she either wasn't listening or couldn't understand what he meant. People who've been in Hollywood their entire adult lives tend to be very sheltered so I'm sure this joke (if she heard it) was confusing and didn't really register any meaning at all

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon

    Am bummed over Dame Judy’s denials. Then again, she lives in Merrie Olde Englonde where they don’t do that sort of thing lest they scare the horses. At least that’s what I would like to think anyway.

  123. Comcast Must Be Destroyed

    Comcast Owns NBC News

    NBC News Covered Up The Harvey Weinstein Sexual Attacks

    Comcast Is Anti-Christian And Anti-White

    https://twitter.com/PoliticalGPS/status/918277613218553856

  124. @anon
    @Cucksworth

    It's pervieness all right.

    Weinstein is a subbie. Exposing himself. Begging for a massage instead of simply demanding sex.

    Anthony Wiener also. A flasher. At least he wasn't physically repellant but more than made up for that by hitting on under age girls.

    Rapists don't typically take their clothes off and beg for sex. And women who went for these invitations? It is an admission that they agreed to undesirable sex to further their careers. Why not frame yourself as a rape victim?

    Women seem to be especially repulsed by the submissive male behavior. They are lining up for 50 Shades, no? There is more than enough to justify outrage, but on a deep, emotional level -- it repulses them. To be subjected to a guy debasing and humiliating himself. Ugly on top of it all.

    Sexual harassment is an abuse of power, but Weinstein batted from the other side. The power, which is essential to the harassment charge, is the second order power of getting away with it.

    Bet the author of this piece is on the bandwagon for Trans. But a man acting a little subby rattles the foundation of their world view.

    Replies: @anon, @Lurker, @dfordoom, @Bernardista

    Anthony Wiener also. A flasher. At least he wasn’t physically repellant

    Sure, he’s repellent in a different way to HW, but physically repellent nonetheless.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Lurker

    Why would anyone want to expose himself anyway? Why?? Rape and groping I can understand, but exposure?????? Is it a form of insanity or what?

  125. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    How to launder one’s bad behavior. Fund proggy causes. BALLING FOR COLUMBINE.

    But then, Weinsteinism is perfect metaphor for globo-capitalism. Bezos, Gateses, and Zucks of the world got away with so much bad stuff by funding the ight kind of causes. Buy off the loudest segment of the political spectrum. Have them bark at someone else.

    If you’re rich, you can’t turn off the barking of social critics in a democracy but you can direct it elsewhere.

  126. @Guy de Champlagne
    @27 year old

    but of course, hardest hit…

    Those groups are legitimately the hardest hit. This is not one of those "World Ends, Blacks and Hispanics Hardest Hit" type things. Moynihan first called the alarm about this trend over 50 years ago and it's only gotten worse.

    Replies: @Big Bill, @EdwardM

    OT, but since James Taranto is no longer doing “Best of the Web Today” (not sure if James Freeman continues this meme since my subscription lapsed), from the San Francisco Chronicle: Northern California fires destroy agriculture, organic farms hardest hit.

    http://www.sfgate.com/food/article/Wine-Country-Fires-damage-organic-farms-12271252.php

  127. @Anon
    One of the shibboleths of cinephiles is how horrible it was during the McCarthy Era when saintly Hollywood communists were persecuted by paranoid rightists.

    But these very same people are now freaking out about Russia and Pokemon Go.

    Replies: @Lurker

    One of the shibboleths of cinephiles is how horrible it was during the McCarthy Era when saintly Hollywood communists were persecuted by paranoid rightists.

    It was terrible. Some of them were even compelled to live in Paris. And not the wonderful diverse Paris of the current year but the ghastly stale pale Paris of the 1950s.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Lurker


    Of course the other big question amidst the *sexual harassment* scandal is how many women aren’t accusing him because they did sleep with him
     
    Who will step forward and claim to be first actress to successfully exchange a pound of flesh for a contract since the Merchant of Venice was thwarted? Will it be someone from Shakespeare in Love?
  128. @Prof. Woland
    We might end up with a pretty good accounting of all the women who were propositioned / molested by Weinstein but I have a running bet with myself that we will not hear of a single women out of many more who acquiesced in order to advance her career.

    Replies: @EdwardM

    This whole episode is about women, and white knights, rationalizing the latter into the former.

  129. @Wilkey
    @guest

    You lost me. If there was a quid pro quo involved, that would suggest it wasn’t rape. Could be he’s saying, “Here, take this role instead of going to the cops.” But more likely it was an implied, “Sleep with me and I’ll boost your career.”

    "Let me fuck you and good things will happen. Don't let me fuck you and bad things will happen."

    Sounds like rape to me. Also sounds a little like prostitution. And also something a lot of actresses won't want to admit to having done, if their careers were launched on the back of Harvey's ejaculate. The vast majority of the stories thus far have involved the women *not* giving in to Weinstein's demands, other than not reporting him or accepting some sort of settlement to keep quiet. The women who did yield to his demands won't find it so easy to go public.

    This was rape, and a whole lot of people in Hollywood knew it was happening, and knew it was happening in a lot of other studios in Tinseltown. More of these people stood for Roman Polanski than for Elia Kazan when they received their Oscars in 2003 and 1999, respectively.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @StillCARealist, @JohnnyWalker123, @guest, @Dumbo

    The women who did yield to his demands won’t find it so easy to go public.

    She might be the first woman to admit to seeking her pound of flesh since the Merchant of Venice.

    • Replies: @AM
    @Jonathan Mason


    She might be the first woman to admit to seeking her pound of flesh since the Merchant of Venice.
     
    It was the Jew in the Merchant of Venice seeking a pound of flesh. The woman "expert" (dressed as a man) presiding over the trial told Shylock he could have it only if he did not take any blood, since only flesh was in the contract.

    Replies: @guest, @Rosamond Vincy, @Rosamond Vincy

  130. @Wilkey
    @guest

    You lost me. If there was a quid pro quo involved, that would suggest it wasn’t rape. Could be he’s saying, “Here, take this role instead of going to the cops.” But more likely it was an implied, “Sleep with me and I’ll boost your career.”

    "Let me fuck you and good things will happen. Don't let me fuck you and bad things will happen."

    Sounds like rape to me. Also sounds a little like prostitution. And also something a lot of actresses won't want to admit to having done, if their careers were launched on the back of Harvey's ejaculate. The vast majority of the stories thus far have involved the women *not* giving in to Weinstein's demands, other than not reporting him or accepting some sort of settlement to keep quiet. The women who did yield to his demands won't find it so easy to go public.

    This was rape, and a whole lot of people in Hollywood knew it was happening, and knew it was happening in a lot of other studios in Tinseltown. More of these people stood for Roman Polanski than for Elia Kazan when they received their Oscars in 2003 and 1999, respectively.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @StillCARealist, @JohnnyWalker123, @guest, @Dumbo

    Rape and prostitution dwell together nicely in symbiosis. Casual sex encourages all this murkiness of judgment and comes back to haunt both men and women, for different reasons, even decades afterwards. Alcohol and drugs are part of the foundation.

    Everybody involved in this filthy behavior needs to be shamed and embarrassed. Don’t think for a minute that the women making accusations aren’t feeling like trash right now.

    • Replies: @guest
    @StillCARealist

    "Rape and prostitution dwell together nicely in symbiosis"

    Only in the sense that prostitutes are easier pickings for criminals, being outlaws themselves. I imagine most of them would be willing to admit to prostitution in order to press rape charges, but at least some of them would be deterred.

    Otherwise, no. They're different things. Prostitution is actually a substitute for might-be rapists.

    What you mean is probably that they both thrive in the Dark Sexual Underbelly,which isn't really true considering all the near-socially acceptable forms of quasi-prostitution. Much less so rape.

    Though we'd be better off if women weren't so eager to prostitute themselves, just because both involve the exploitation of women doesn't mean they live in symbiosis. Or not any more than hurting people's feelings and murdering them with fire live in symbiosis because they're both injurious.

    Even back in the Bad Old Days, when women having sex out of wedlock period was tantamount to rape, you probably would've looked at it as less than rape if you knew the supposed victim did it for money. (Actually, she might not be the victim any more than a car, for instance, can be the victim of vandalism. Rape might have been seen as violating the property of the father or husband. But we all know people aren't exactly property like tables and chairs.*)

    *Or casting couches.

    Replies: @StillCARealist

    , @res
    @StillCARealist


    Don’t think for a minute that the women making accusations aren’t feeling like trash right now.
     
    But what do you want to bet that the fallout from that feeling lands on everyone around them rather than themselves?

    P.S. Well said.
  131. @Alden
    One feminist liberal I know is carrying on about " Why hasn't SAG done anything about Weinstein?"

    I'm sure the Screen Actors Guild could not care less about what the girls and boys have to do to get a start.

    The only good thing about SAG is it's medical insurance.

    Who did the movie people think they were fooling?

    Replies: @AM

    Who did the movie people think they were fooling?

    Liberal feminists.

  132. @27 year old
    OT- Pew research center finally figures it out:

    Economists and social scientists have gathered multitudes of data about Millennials’ tendency to delay the traditional milestones of maturity (starting a career, getting married, buying a home, having kids) in favor of a prolonged adolescence.

    But in a new study examining household formation patterns in the US, Pew Research Center has isolated the biggest factor behind the rise in those households without a partner or spouse: “The declining ability of men to earn a salary large enough to sustain a family.”
     
    but of course, hardest hit...

    Instead, analysts said, the decline in both marriage and partnerships “All signs point to the growing fragility of the male wage earner,” said Cheryl Russell, a demographer and editorial director at the New Strategist Press. “The demographic segments most likely to be living without a partner are the ones in which men are struggling the most — young adults, the less educated, Hispanics, and blacks.”

    “The point at which the average young man becomes ‘marriageable’ appears to be earnings of $40,000 a year or more,” Russell said.
     
    That last sentence is brutal.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-13/millennials-are-delaying-marraige-because-men-arent-earning-enough

    Replies: @Guy de Champlagne, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Lagertha, @Anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    But Mexican-American males seem to have families by earning much less.

    I guess both Mex men and women have lower expectations and more content with less.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anon

    Mex Amers have big families because most of the family income furnished by the taxpayers in the form of food stamps, free medical care, government housing, government heat bill subsidies, free breakfast, lunch and after school snack, free breakfast and lunch at the local park or school during summer vacation etc.

    They do buy lots of clothes, toys furniture and household things at good will and walmart and don't send the kids to summer camp or all those expensive after school activities.

    But their salaries go for cars, clothes, entertainment and sending 30 billion a year back to Mexico.
    Basic expenses for the home and kids are taken care of by you and me, the taxpayers.

  133. @Jonathan Mason
    @Wilkey


    The women who did yield to his demands won’t find it so easy to go public.
     
    She might be the first woman to admit to seeking her pound of flesh since the Merchant of Venice.

    Replies: @AM

    She might be the first woman to admit to seeking her pound of flesh since the Merchant of Venice.

    It was the Jew in the Merchant of Venice seeking a pound of flesh. The woman “expert” (dressed as a man) presiding over the trial told Shylock he could have it only if he did not take any blood, since only flesh was in the contract.

    • Replies: @guest
    @AM

    I always thought that was a cop out. It was up to the goy to provide Shylock his pound. Shylock should've been allowed to drop the requirement that he be the one to cut it out.

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @AM

    The merchant was the one who offered that deal, as collateral, when Shylock didn't want to loan him anything at all.

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @AM

    The merchant was the one who *offered* that deal, as collateral, when Shylock didn't want to loan him anything at all.
    There are actually no heroes in that play. They're all pretty horrible.

    Replies: @AM

  134. @Lurker
    @Anon


    One of the shibboleths of cinephiles is how horrible it was during the McCarthy Era when saintly Hollywood communists were persecuted by paranoid rightists.
     
    It was terrible. Some of them were even compelled to live in Paris. And not the wonderful diverse Paris of the current year but the ghastly stale pale Paris of the 1950s.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Of course the other big question amidst the *sexual harassment* scandal is how many women aren’t accusing him because they did sleep with him

    Who will step forward and claim to be first actress to successfully exchange a pound of flesh for a contract since the Merchant of Venice was thwarted? Will it be someone from Shakespeare in Love?

  135. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    So Dana Stevens is the only one who didn't know about Wienstien? LOL> Of course they all knew it, but now Twitter is blowing up with all of the celebrities and hang arounds trying to get ahead of this storm. Nobody knew anything. They are all full of shit. One thing is certain, these things usually don't stop with one individual. The best is yet to come.

    Replies: @415 reasons, @Anon

    I don’t think her shock is over there being filth and corruption in Hollywood. The problem here is Weinstein was out there as the champion of foreign films, art cinema, independent cinema, and those proggy documentaries that catered to her ilk. It’s her shock that someone so ‘boing’ could have been at the center of so much arts and culture devoured by her NPR SWPL crowd.

    Still, I must admit she is willfully naive. Doesn’t she know that one earns a Licence to Thrill if one makes all the right noises? It’s like BLUE JASMINE where the scuzzo donates to charities.

    But then, she is a mushhead. She said she cwied like a boo-boo baby watching INSIDE OUT, a movie that made me wanna puke and which I mostly FF-ed. That was more demented than SPLIT.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/movies/2015/12/best_movies_2015_dana_stevens_picks_including_inside_out_spotlight_and_more.html

  136. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @415 reasons
    @anonymous

    Meryl Streep had no idea. Of course she was sitting in the audience at the Oscars in 2013, nominated for Best Supporting Actress, when Seth Macfarlane joked that the nominees for that award would no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein, but I'm sure she either wasn't listening or couldn't understand what he meant. People who've been in Hollywood their entire adult lives tend to be very sheltered so I'm sure this joke (if she heard it) was confusing and didn't really register any meaning at all

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon

    Streep takes herself so seriously as an actress, but her political persona is beginning to resemble Lucille Ball. A big joke.

    She’s such a free-thinking independent woman… but she is even more naive than Kay about Michael in THE GODFATHER. Even Kay had more sense. Streep is like Kay as Lucille Ball in a real-life comedy with Weinstein as Jewish Michael. Meeeeeeerrrrryll.

  137. @Cagey Beast
    OT: Another Russian-financed social media false flag operation? Nope, she the actual Deputy Secretary General of NATO:

    https://twitter.com/Gottemoeller/status/864874129597640704

    Replies: @unpc downunder, @NickG, @Almost Missouri, @YetAnotherAnon, @Alden, @The True and Original David, @Laugh Track, @Expletive Deleted

    At first glance it looks like some kind of Satanic temple thing.

    I always thought NATO was a coalition of European and American military? Shouldn’t it be led by a general??? Is she a civilian? Did she even go through basic training??? Did she go to officer college? Did she learn about strategy and tactics? Does she know about the major battlegrounds of Europe, where they are and the passes through the mountains etc? Can she fire a pistol or even a little BB gun rifle like kids have? Does she know about feeding, clothing, and moving hundreds of thousands of troops around?

    NATO has always been diversity and inclusion, White soldiers, sailors and airmen, men and women, fighters and support troops; people from N. America, and Iceland to Greece. Totally inclusive.

  138. @2Mintzin1
    @Anonymous

    Thought she looked pretty good in "Cat Ballou"...of course, I was about , er, 12 at the time.
    Hormones, you know.

    Replies: @Alden

    One of my favorite movies of all time. And the White dress Cat Ballou wore to be hanged was a touch of genius by the costume designer. Another all time favorite of mine is Mars Attacks. Needless to say, I am not an intellectual.

  139. @Anon
    @27 year old

    But Mexican-American males seem to have families by earning much less.

    I guess both Mex men and women have lower expectations and more content with less.

    Replies: @Alden

    Mex Amers have big families because most of the family income furnished by the taxpayers in the form of food stamps, free medical care, government housing, government heat bill subsidies, free breakfast, lunch and after school snack, free breakfast and lunch at the local park or school during summer vacation etc.

    They do buy lots of clothes, toys furniture and household things at good will and walmart and don’t send the kids to summer camp or all those expensive after school activities.

    But their salaries go for cars, clothes, entertainment and sending 30 billion a year back to Mexico.
    Basic expenses for the home and kids are taken care of by you and me, the taxpayers.

  140. Hey Steve,

    I hope you have time for some personal advice.

    I have some movies that came through the Weinstein Co. that are among my favorites, for example, August:Osage County. I wish to continue enjoying these movies from time to time and would like to do so without elaborate security that ensures that no one else knows that I am watching (and enjoying) the movie.

    Is there some sort of list or public database where one can go to denounce Weinstein, thereby earning dispensation to watch and enjoy the movies with a clear conscience and without fear of persecution?

  141. I don’t know a lot of entertainment industry people but I do know a few. I’ve heard for years that Weinstein is greatly resented for his Oscar campaigns. He spends far, far more on the PR campaign than anyone else and there is a lot of what is basically bribery and extortion. Most of the producers don’t want to spend the money whether they win or lose the Oscar.

    Most of the OScar audience you see on TV are paid to be there. Most of the actors, directors, producers etc are out of sight backstage, in the lobbies and restrooms etc shoving coke into their noses.

    Read Scott Bowers book about his life as a sex escort to the stars. I doubt you’ll find it in your local library as they don’t have restricted to adults only sections.

    I did love Emma and Shakespeare in Love though.

  142. @Lurker
    @anon


    Anthony Wiener also. A flasher. At least he wasn’t physically repellant
     
    Sure, he's repellent in a different way to HW, but physically repellent nonetheless.

    Replies: @Alden

    Why would anyone want to expose himself anyway? Why?? Rape and groping I can understand, but exposure?????? Is it a form of insanity or what?

  143. @anonymous
    Dana has a lot of free time on her hands to pace up and down and obsess over that fat slob. "Many women" indeed! MOST women , like the menfolk, are probably too busy trying to make ends meet, with little time to obsess over how to resolve the actions of the Harvey Weinsteins of the world with the aspirations of "many women" such as the Dana Stevens of the world.

    As a footnote, how ironic that the company originally founded by Walt Disney--a man who, rightly or wrongly, was accused of being anti-Semite--was eventually taken over lock, stock and barrel, by Jews.

    Replies: @Alden

    D.W Griffen, Joe Kennedy and Walt Disney were among the few who survived Jewish takeovers of their studios. Therefore, they are anti semites.

    There is an Amazon series, “The Last Tycoon” It’s about the movie industry in the 1930’s. The bad guy head of the studio is named Pat Grady and sort of a Catholic.

    He is the bad guy and he is of course anti semitic. There are lots of non laudatory comments about Jews. I guess one of the underlying themes is that Hollywood goyim were always anti semitic and the poor oppressed down trodden Jews had to fight for their place in the industry. Grady’s always doing dumb things but his Jew vice president always brilliantly fixes things.

    Grady is a nasty blackmailer as well. He, the Irish goy epitomizes everything bad about the industry. The Jews are the good guys. It’s a good series if you can take the propaganda.

  144. @Wilkey
    @guest

    You lost me. If there was a quid pro quo involved, that would suggest it wasn’t rape. Could be he’s saying, “Here, take this role instead of going to the cops.” But more likely it was an implied, “Sleep with me and I’ll boost your career.”

    "Let me fuck you and good things will happen. Don't let me fuck you and bad things will happen."

    Sounds like rape to me. Also sounds a little like prostitution. And also something a lot of actresses won't want to admit to having done, if their careers were launched on the back of Harvey's ejaculate. The vast majority of the stories thus far have involved the women *not* giving in to Weinstein's demands, other than not reporting him or accepting some sort of settlement to keep quiet. The women who did yield to his demands won't find it so easy to go public.

    This was rape, and a whole lot of people in Hollywood knew it was happening, and knew it was happening in a lot of other studios in Tinseltown. More of these people stood for Roman Polanski than for Elia Kazan when they received their Oscars in 2003 and 1999, respectively.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @StillCARealist, @JohnnyWalker123, @guest, @Dumbo

    It’s definitely prostitution.

    My guess is that Harvey Weinstein comes onto women sexually and, if they let him do what he wants, he gives them a role in one his movies. If they refuse, no role. Not sure whether I’d call it “rape,” but it’s definitely coercive and probably illegal.

    The “casting couch” has been a very common practice in the entertainment (tv/movies, music, fashion/modeling) industry for decades. Probably less common now, but still happens enough. Weinstein’s sin wasn’t that he harassed women, his sin was that he called attention to the widespread nature of sexual predation and prostitution in Hollywood/music/modeling. That’s why everyone hates him.

    Lots of entertainers moonlight as escorts to pay the bills too. So if a rich fat cat like Harvey Weinstein wants to be your sugar daddy, it’s actually a big break too. I bet that when Weinstein came onto those women, some probably figured that they could make some serious money off servicing him (while also getting a role in a movie).

    It’s not just straight male predators and female prostitutes. Lots of gay men demand sexual favors from aspiring male actors/musicians/models. If you play along, you get the role. Lots of famous men (especially Cruz and Travolta) are well known to have used this path to attain fame/celebrity. More than a few straight men enter “gigolo” agencies too so they can pay the bills. Contrary to what you may have heard, literally 100% of male “gigolos” service gay men. There is no market for straight women…..

    In conclusion, the entertainment industry (acting, music, modeling) is one huge whorehouse. A whorehouse in which males and females trade their bodies to powerful/wealthy sexual predators, so they can become famous or at least pay the bills. It’s also a crack house, full of drug/alcohol addicts……….

    …..and these are the people who lecture us about gay rights, women’s rights, human rights………

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @anonguy
    @JohnnyWalker123


    In conclusion, the entertainment industry (acting, music, modeling) is one huge whorehouse. A whorehouse in which males and females trade their bodies to powerful/wealthy sexual predators, so they can become famous or at least pay the bills. It’s also a crack house, full of drug/alcohol addicts……….

    …..and these are the people who lecture us about gay rights, women’s rights, human rights………
     
    This is what I decided about academia 20+ years ago, that it was a medieval, hierarchical, exploitative institution that had the height of audacity to proclaim itself as a moral avatar.
    , @guest
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Not coercive, which requires force or the threat of force. In our hypothetical situation he's giving women a choice based on their self-interest. They probably wouldn't want to make such a choice in a perfect world, but they're not deprived of their will by making it.

    , @MBlanc46
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Prostitution? It skates close, but it’s not copulation with strangers for cash. It’s two consenting adults each having something the other wants and reaching an agreement to exchange. I hate to use a rhetorical move pioneered and perfected by the enemy, but, come on guys, it’s 2017. Sexual relations are no longer considered sacred, to be entered into only after pledges of lifetime loyalty. If the women afterwards regret that they involved themselves, that should be a lesson to be choosier in the future.

    , @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You have to compare Weinstein to Hefner as I mentioned before. Hefner was exactly as you describe - he made it very clear to the women around him that they would be rewarded for sex and if they withheld it they would get nothing from him. But for Hefner, that's where it ended - if you said no, he accepted your answer and didn't try to force himself on you. He didn't need to - there were tons of willing females willing to take him up on his offer.

    But Weinstein was different. He was not the kind of person who would accept no for an answer from ANYONE. Not on a movie deal and not on his sexual propositions. Weinstein, like Hefner, probably had consensual sexual encounters with hundreds if not thousands of willing starlets. BUT, there was a small minority who were not willing to go along. Weinstein thought that if he just bullied them that he could get past their objections as well. It is this relatively small latter group who are (rightly) causing problems for him now. Regardless of the (low) level of morality in Hollywood, he had no right to force himself on anyone.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rosamond Vincy, @anon, @dfordoom

  145. @Cagey Beast
    OT: Another Russian-financed social media false flag operation? Nope, she the actual Deputy Secretary General of NATO:

    https://twitter.com/Gottemoeller/status/864874129597640704

    Replies: @unpc downunder, @NickG, @Almost Missouri, @YetAnotherAnon, @Alden, @The True and Original David, @Laugh Track, @Expletive Deleted

    “NATO is committed to diversity and inclusion – these values make us stronger and safer.”

    Well, they make someone stronger and safer.

  146. The casting couch works. The producers get actors or actresses who are on board with the chain of command. After all its not Broadway where talent is needed. The parties have a mutually beneficial quid pro quo and the audience gets some new faces. Otherwise it would be Meryl Streep all time, and she was screechy preachy at Harding Township School in 1963. (Now that music teacher, what was her name? Help me out here).

    HW’s problem was took the couch out of the office and into the hall. Reckless self destructive behavior that just got worse the more he got away with it. If I had to guess, it is guilt. But then again I find guilt in other places; the Northern support of the civil rights movement, open borders, or ….

  147. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/AndrewQuackson/status/918925273466327040

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Kimmel is an opportunist. He knows that if he goes after Weinstein, his “career” could come to an abrupt end.

  148. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Anthony Wiener also. A flasher. At least he wasn’t physically repellant but more than made up for that by hitting on under age girls.

    Come on! If Weinstein lost weight, he would at least look like a real man whereas Weiner looks like Beavis.

  149. My guess is that Harvey Weinstein comes onto women sexually and, if they let him do what he wants, he gives them a role in one his movies. If they refuse, no role. Not sure whether I’d call it “rape,” but it’s definitely coercive and probably illegal.

    I can tell you it is very common for executives to have women coming on to them wanting to be their “assistants” or some such other reason as cover for the gold digging.

    Is it rape if the women proposes the deal? Or has no offense been committed in this case between the two parties if not necessarily between the executive and his company which probably does prohibit such conduct.

    Nice to see the yowling mob is completely non-partisan. Weinstein went down faster than a sack of Confederate statues.

    If we can make USMC infantry and submarine duty safe for women, certainly we can do the same with Hollywood, no?

    This is a big female sh*t test of Hollywood male culture and it is in panicked, every man for himself flight. Glorious to watch.

    All part of La Belle Epoque II suppression of rampant, well, maleness. Connect the dots from Anita Hill, Tailhook, to here.

    Feminism has feminizing as its goal. Weinstein/Hollywood lechs is just another knockdown victory for the movement which will proceed to ever greater degree of social hygiene rooting out male malfeasance, politics be damned when it comes right down to it.

    Weinstein really is/was right in describing himself as an “old dinosaur”, because his conduct used to be acceptable.

    But now it isn’t anymore, just as simple as that.

  150. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Wilkey

    It's definitely prostitution.

    My guess is that Harvey Weinstein comes onto women sexually and, if they let him do what he wants, he gives them a role in one his movies. If they refuse, no role. Not sure whether I'd call it "rape," but it's definitely coercive and probably illegal.

    The "casting couch" has been a very common practice in the entertainment (tv/movies, music, fashion/modeling) industry for decades. Probably less common now, but still happens enough. Weinstein's sin wasn't that he harassed women, his sin was that he called attention to the widespread nature of sexual predation and prostitution in Hollywood/music/modeling. That's why everyone hates him.

    Lots of entertainers moonlight as escorts to pay the bills too. So if a rich fat cat like Harvey Weinstein wants to be your sugar daddy, it's actually a big break too. I bet that when Weinstein came onto those women, some probably figured that they could make some serious money off servicing him (while also getting a role in a movie).

    It's not just straight male predators and female prostitutes. Lots of gay men demand sexual favors from aspiring male actors/musicians/models. If you play along, you get the role. Lots of famous men (especially Cruz and Travolta) are well known to have used this path to attain fame/celebrity. More than a few straight men enter "gigolo" agencies too so they can pay the bills. Contrary to what you may have heard, literally 100% of male "gigolos" service gay men. There is no market for straight women.....

    In conclusion, the entertainment industry (acting, music, modeling) is one huge whorehouse. A whorehouse in which males and females trade their bodies to powerful/wealthy sexual predators, so they can become famous or at least pay the bills. It's also a crack house, full of drug/alcohol addicts..........

    .....and these are the people who lecture us about gay rights, women's rights, human rights.........

    Replies: @anonguy, @guest, @MBlanc46, @Jack D

    In conclusion, the entertainment industry (acting, music, modeling) is one huge whorehouse. A whorehouse in which males and females trade their bodies to powerful/wealthy sexual predators, so they can become famous or at least pay the bills. It’s also a crack house, full of drug/alcohol addicts……….

    …..and these are the people who lecture us about gay rights, women’s rights, human rights………

    This is what I decided about academia 20+ years ago, that it was a medieval, hierarchical, exploitative institution that had the height of audacity to proclaim itself as a moral avatar.

  151. She is dumb. That’s it. You don’t need any more explanation. No deep analysis is necessary, just ‘dumb.’ Nice white ladies are not too smart to begin with and have little experience with the real world to sharpen their instincts. I’m sure she believed in Santa Claus until her 15th birthday. Scratch that, she might be Jewish. Anyway the NWLs are so dumb that not only can they not figure out when others are lying to them, they can’t even differentiate reality from the comforting lies they tell themselves.

  152. @27 year old
    OT- Pew research center finally figures it out:

    Economists and social scientists have gathered multitudes of data about Millennials’ tendency to delay the traditional milestones of maturity (starting a career, getting married, buying a home, having kids) in favor of a prolonged adolescence.

    But in a new study examining household formation patterns in the US, Pew Research Center has isolated the biggest factor behind the rise in those households without a partner or spouse: “The declining ability of men to earn a salary large enough to sustain a family.”
     
    but of course, hardest hit...

    Instead, analysts said, the decline in both marriage and partnerships “All signs point to the growing fragility of the male wage earner,” said Cheryl Russell, a demographer and editorial director at the New Strategist Press. “The demographic segments most likely to be living without a partner are the ones in which men are struggling the most — young adults, the less educated, Hispanics, and blacks.”

    “The point at which the average young man becomes ‘marriageable’ appears to be earnings of $40,000 a year or more,” Russell said.
     
    That last sentence is brutal.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-13/millennials-are-delaying-marraige-because-men-arent-earning-enough

    Replies: @Guy de Champlagne, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Lagertha, @Anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    $40,000 maybe in Houston. On the coasts, I’d say more like $75,000.

  153. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Weinstein matter is spark needed for female reformation like a protestant reformation and a needed muslim reformation. Groups that do not introspect do not evolve. Non-evolvers drag down environment for males.
    New female world recognizes madonna-whore dichotomy and need for protection and support and rights and responsibilities for all.
    Rose Magowan starts dialog and now other females must pick up batons for redefinition of female roles in movies and world.

  154. @Peter Akuleyev
    I find it odd a film critic, of all people, would be "shocked". I thought film critics detested Weinstein. He finances the sort of middle-brow audience friendly Oscar-worthy schlock ("Shakespeare in Love" being the best example) that bien-pensants love to criticize. Culture snob that I am, I have detested Weinstein for years, based on nothing other than his taste in movies.

    Replies: @guest, @Anon

    “He finances the sort of middle-brow audience friendly Oscar-worthy schlock (‘Shakespeare in Love’ being the best example) that bien-pensants love to criticize”

    You’re right about awards-grubbing, for which he was routinely criticized. But you miss the overall brilliance of the way Miramax manipulated movie criticdom. Because at least for a time he gave them just about exactly what they wanted (apart from award-grubbing) without alienating mass audiences.

    See, orthodox mainstream professional film critics *are* middlebrow. (With exceptions.) They’re at the Tennessee Coates level of intellect, if they’re lucky. Why would someone of superior intelligence choose to be a film critic? (Unless he could be Roger Ebert. But there can only be one, if any, of those at a time.)

    Unlike, say, literary critics these days, their jobs were supposedly tied to actually giving practical advice to moviegoers, who largely range from moderate to low intelligence. They don’t just predict what moviegoers would be happy seeing, of course. They inevitably set up their own alternate reality of Critical Opinion, which is more recondite and exclusive than regular person opinion. But by no means is it truly highbrow, and what passes for highbrow culture since modernism is degenerate and since postmodernism trashy and weird and degenerate, anyway.

    Pre-established highbrow films they recognize, like those of Bergman or Kubrick, for instance. But when it comes to new movies, how would they know? There won’t always be smarter people around to inform them. So they go by a few trusted (by them) indicators. Weinstein’s company was masterful at exploiting false indications of hipness and highbrowedness.

    Here are a few of the tricks:

    1.) Epater la Bourgeoisie

    This is why you brought up “audience friendly,” and why pretentious criticdom is normally expected to denigrate middle-brow fare. Around the turn of the 20th century (allegedly) High Art forgot how popular artists like Michelangelo, Shakespeare, and Beethoven can be, and decided shocking normal people was one of the essential marks of greatness. Thereafter, anything Babbitt liked couldn’t possibly be High Art.

    Well, professional critics can’t go quite so far as the Decadent Poets. So they end up recommending movies like Shakespeare in Love, which any old “housefrau” (a favorite insult of hipsters) can enjoy. Though it’s not trash as you have it–some of it is very clever–it is by no means a highbrow film (if you know anything about Shakespeare or the time, many of the jokes are too obvious for comment), and certainly it’s meant to please audiences. But if you pay close enough attention (need not be all that close, really), you’ll notice it’s not meant to be taken straight as a story of Elizabethan courtship, the struggle of artistic expression, or the practical difficulties of putting on a commercially successful play.

    It’s a farcical comedy, and those are typically driven by a series of highly improbable coincidences and Idiot Plots. But in this case, one gets the feeling it’s not supposed to be taken seriously at all, and if you touch it at any point with the lightest delicacy, it falls apart. That’s because it’s quasi-postmodern movie, or passes for one. It’s about Showbiz, which Hollywood naturally likes. But it’s also self-referential and doesn’t take anything too seriously, which makes contemporary critics feel smart for liking it. Mass audiences, for their part, can mistake it for a romance, and both parties are happy.

    That’s a mild form of “shock the middle-class.” Weinstein traveled upon more obvious routes with The Crying Game: crossdressing, homosex; Pulp Fiction: more in-your-face postmodernism, graphic violence, the n-word; and so forth.

    2). Ideology/Issue Movies

    If it’s liberal, it’s smart. Because the Other Guys are the dumb ones. Miramax wasn’t usually overtly political. But messages was usually in there, or could be easily decoded with a home kit. Failing any particular political point, there is the phenomenon of Issues. Rain Man (not a Miramax movie), for instance, would’ve been a buddy road comedy if MIT for the Big Issue of autism, which is why it win Best Picture. Being a good flick alone isn’t enough.

    Life Is Beautiful is basically an Abbott and Costello movie in the first part, and would be beneath comment for criticdom. But then it becomes a Holocaust movie, like Hogan’s Heroes if Bob Crane stumbled into a pile of dead bodies at the end of the episode. It gets to be serious, and critics are allowed to esteem it.

    Can be even simpler than that. Shine had mental illness, Sling Blade had retardation. Even Shakespeare in Love had a bit of Women’s Lib. Speaking of which…

    3). Strong, Independent Women

    This is why female movie people are especially touchy about Harv’s downfall. Miramax was home to many of movie with Strong Female Leads. Something they pretend Hollywood doesn’t do, or at least try, all the time. Elizabeth I in Shakespeare in Love is basically a superheroine, with psychic powers. Without the Strong Female Lead, Chocolate is a tacky food romance. Ah, but it has something else…

    4). Quirkiness

    This is related to “shock the middle-class,” though immeasurably milder. Critics like the hipster feel, and one of the easiest ways to achieve that is through quirkiness, or soft weirdness. If Chocolate took place in Kansas, it would be utterly unnotable. Unless it went another way with the quirkiness, like giving the confectioner a day job at the mortuary. But it’s about France, which is allowed to be quaint in a hipster-friendly way. France plus strong female lead equals okay to be caught enjoying.

    There are other indicators, but there’s a sampling of why criticdom was taken in by Miramax.

  155. @Wilkey
    @guest

    You lost me. If there was a quid pro quo involved, that would suggest it wasn’t rape. Could be he’s saying, “Here, take this role instead of going to the cops.” But more likely it was an implied, “Sleep with me and I’ll boost your career.”

    "Let me fuck you and good things will happen. Don't let me fuck you and bad things will happen."

    Sounds like rape to me. Also sounds a little like prostitution. And also something a lot of actresses won't want to admit to having done, if their careers were launched on the back of Harvey's ejaculate. The vast majority of the stories thus far have involved the women *not* giving in to Weinstein's demands, other than not reporting him or accepting some sort of settlement to keep quiet. The women who did yield to his demands won't find it so easy to go public.

    This was rape, and a whole lot of people in Hollywood knew it was happening, and knew it was happening in a lot of other studios in Tinseltown. More of these people stood for Roman Polanski than for Elia Kazan when they received their Oscars in 2003 and 1999, respectively.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @StillCARealist, @JohnnyWalker123, @guest, @Dumbo

    It is like prostitution, and not a little. But it’s not rape. I wonder how your mind works if you think it can be like prostitution and rape at the same time.

  156. @AM
    @Jonathan Mason


    She might be the first woman to admit to seeking her pound of flesh since the Merchant of Venice.
     
    It was the Jew in the Merchant of Venice seeking a pound of flesh. The woman "expert" (dressed as a man) presiding over the trial told Shylock he could have it only if he did not take any blood, since only flesh was in the contract.

    Replies: @guest, @Rosamond Vincy, @Rosamond Vincy

    I always thought that was a cop out. It was up to the goy to provide Shylock his pound. Shylock should’ve been allowed to drop the requirement that he be the one to cut it out.

  157. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Wilkey

    It's definitely prostitution.

    My guess is that Harvey Weinstein comes onto women sexually and, if they let him do what he wants, he gives them a role in one his movies. If they refuse, no role. Not sure whether I'd call it "rape," but it's definitely coercive and probably illegal.

    The "casting couch" has been a very common practice in the entertainment (tv/movies, music, fashion/modeling) industry for decades. Probably less common now, but still happens enough. Weinstein's sin wasn't that he harassed women, his sin was that he called attention to the widespread nature of sexual predation and prostitution in Hollywood/music/modeling. That's why everyone hates him.

    Lots of entertainers moonlight as escorts to pay the bills too. So if a rich fat cat like Harvey Weinstein wants to be your sugar daddy, it's actually a big break too. I bet that when Weinstein came onto those women, some probably figured that they could make some serious money off servicing him (while also getting a role in a movie).

    It's not just straight male predators and female prostitutes. Lots of gay men demand sexual favors from aspiring male actors/musicians/models. If you play along, you get the role. Lots of famous men (especially Cruz and Travolta) are well known to have used this path to attain fame/celebrity. More than a few straight men enter "gigolo" agencies too so they can pay the bills. Contrary to what you may have heard, literally 100% of male "gigolos" service gay men. There is no market for straight women.....

    In conclusion, the entertainment industry (acting, music, modeling) is one huge whorehouse. A whorehouse in which males and females trade their bodies to powerful/wealthy sexual predators, so they can become famous or at least pay the bills. It's also a crack house, full of drug/alcohol addicts..........

    .....and these are the people who lecture us about gay rights, women's rights, human rights.........

    Replies: @anonguy, @guest, @MBlanc46, @Jack D

    Not coercive, which requires force or the threat of force. In our hypothetical situation he’s giving women a choice based on their self-interest. They probably wouldn’t want to make such a choice in a perfect world, but they’re not deprived of their will by making it.

  158. @AM
    Mark Dice's running gag is "Liberalism is mental disorder - help find the cure"

    It's true. I have no idea how these authors function at this level of naivety.

    The question is, how do you write about Hollywood for 10+ years and not "get" there are slimeballs running the place?

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    I get that it’s not gallant to gain sexual access to women via a quid pro such as a movie role for a tumble. It’s not gentlemanly. But slimeballery? That’s harsh. He had something that they wanted. They had something that he wanted. An offer was made. A deal was reached. Crass, perhaps, but not slimy.

  159. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Wilkey

    It's definitely prostitution.

    My guess is that Harvey Weinstein comes onto women sexually and, if they let him do what he wants, he gives them a role in one his movies. If they refuse, no role. Not sure whether I'd call it "rape," but it's definitely coercive and probably illegal.

    The "casting couch" has been a very common practice in the entertainment (tv/movies, music, fashion/modeling) industry for decades. Probably less common now, but still happens enough. Weinstein's sin wasn't that he harassed women, his sin was that he called attention to the widespread nature of sexual predation and prostitution in Hollywood/music/modeling. That's why everyone hates him.

    Lots of entertainers moonlight as escorts to pay the bills too. So if a rich fat cat like Harvey Weinstein wants to be your sugar daddy, it's actually a big break too. I bet that when Weinstein came onto those women, some probably figured that they could make some serious money off servicing him (while also getting a role in a movie).

    It's not just straight male predators and female prostitutes. Lots of gay men demand sexual favors from aspiring male actors/musicians/models. If you play along, you get the role. Lots of famous men (especially Cruz and Travolta) are well known to have used this path to attain fame/celebrity. More than a few straight men enter "gigolo" agencies too so they can pay the bills. Contrary to what you may have heard, literally 100% of male "gigolos" service gay men. There is no market for straight women.....

    In conclusion, the entertainment industry (acting, music, modeling) is one huge whorehouse. A whorehouse in which males and females trade their bodies to powerful/wealthy sexual predators, so they can become famous or at least pay the bills. It's also a crack house, full of drug/alcohol addicts..........

    .....and these are the people who lecture us about gay rights, women's rights, human rights.........

    Replies: @anonguy, @guest, @MBlanc46, @Jack D

    Prostitution? It skates close, but it’s not copulation with strangers for cash. It’s two consenting adults each having something the other wants and reaching an agreement to exchange. I hate to use a rhetorical move pioneered and perfected by the enemy, but, come on guys, it’s 2017. Sexual relations are no longer considered sacred, to be entered into only after pledges of lifetime loyalty. If the women afterwards regret that they involved themselves, that should be a lesson to be choosier in the future.

  160. @StillCARealist
    @Wilkey

    Rape and prostitution dwell together nicely in symbiosis. Casual sex encourages all this murkiness of judgment and comes back to haunt both men and women, for different reasons, even decades afterwards. Alcohol and drugs are part of the foundation.

    Everybody involved in this filthy behavior needs to be shamed and embarrassed. Don't think for a minute that the women making accusations aren't feeling like trash right now.

    Replies: @guest, @res

    “Rape and prostitution dwell together nicely in symbiosis”

    Only in the sense that prostitutes are easier pickings for criminals, being outlaws themselves. I imagine most of them would be willing to admit to prostitution in order to press rape charges, but at least some of them would be deterred.

    Otherwise, no. They’re different things. Prostitution is actually a substitute for might-be rapists.

    What you mean is probably that they both thrive in the Dark Sexual Underbelly,which isn’t really true considering all the near-socially acceptable forms of quasi-prostitution. Much less so rape.

    Though we’d be better off if women weren’t so eager to prostitute themselves, just because both involve the exploitation of women doesn’t mean they live in symbiosis. Or not any more than hurting people’s feelings and murdering them with fire live in symbiosis because they’re both injurious.

    Even back in the Bad Old Days, when women having sex out of wedlock period was tantamount to rape, you probably would’ve looked at it as less than rape if you knew the supposed victim did it for money. (Actually, she might not be the victim any more than a car, for instance, can be the victim of vandalism. Rape might have been seen as violating the property of the father or husband. But we all know people aren’t exactly property like tables and chairs.*)

    *Or casting couches.

    • Replies: @StillCARealist
    @guest

    What's the difference between a prostitute and a slut? One does it for the money, the other for... well, often money. At least that's what I've seen from the handful of very promiscuous women I've known. The slut wants $ for booze, food, drugs, a fun night out. Yes, she wants love too, but she's probably used to disappointment. I have no idea if prostitutes want love or not. The only pro I've known was a guy who did it for the $ while in a terrible situation.

    anyway, why wouldn't a predator rape a prostitute or a slut? After all, she's a whore. She's there to be abused and be an object for his pleasure. That's why I said the two go together so often. And I guess I mean the whole range of sexual violence, not just the technical rape crime.

    So I'm basing my opinion off of what I've seen from human beings who behaved like prostitutes. BTW, the guy who did it got himself out quickly after a horrible experience that left him HIV-positive.

  161. • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @benjaminl

    The music industry is just as bad.

    The modeling/fashion/glamor industry is so bad that, in comparison, Hollywood looks fairly prudish.

    The entertainment industry (movies/tv, music, and modeling/fashion) is a huge whorehouse full of sexual predators (sorry, I mean "executives") and aspiring actors/musicians/models who literally prostitute themselves for fame (and money). Harvey Weinstein, Ben Affleck, Russel Crowe, Matt Damon, Bill Cosby, Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and music producer Dr. Luke are just the tip of the iceberg.

    Replies: @Anon

  162. @PhDPepper
    From the reaction I'm seeing in my social world, this whole thing is successfully turning into a "men are awful and other men have to step up/bitch fest from 30+ professional gals with dwindling marriage prospects and ovaries to match". So, "I'm not as successful as I could have been because powerful men took advantage of me, and you, man in front of me, are who's really responsible" would be a good summation of their thinking.

    I'm more saddened by this than anything. These are otherwise decent women I'm talking about, but who don't realize, and who can't be told, how obnoxious there thinking is.

    Replies: @Neuday, @dfordoom

    These are otherwise decent women I’m talking about, but who don’t realize, and who can’t be told, how obnoxious there thinking is.

    They’re not decent. No woman who has been corrupted by feminism can be described as decent. They’re spoilt brats and vicious harpies.

  163. @Big Bill
    @Guy de Champlagne

    Strangely, Professional Negroes cheer the rainbow alliance and welcome immigrants as their bestest buddies ... all the Professional Negroes of The Root, Slate, Salon, NYT, and WaPo, anyway.

    I can't shake the feeling that Professional Negroes really don't care what happens to colored folk who didn't get into Harvard and don't summer on Martha's Vineyard..

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I can’t shake the feeling that Professional Negroes really don’t care what happens to colored folk who didn’t get into Harvard and don’t summer on Martha’s Vineyard.

    Just like the feminists who only care about privileged middle-class women and couldn’t care less about working-class women.

    People don’t notice these things because they’ve been carefully trained not to notice that the big divide is not between black and white or men and women, the big divide is the class divide.

  164. The right is so ecstatic that a leftist got caught in this web that they are signing on to a process that is going to turn around and bite them big time.

    1. If a man is accused of rape or groping or unwanted advances arising to a crime, it is no longer “innocent until proven guilty.” You are not the accused, you are the slime ball.

    2. Standards of due process, burden of proof, presumption of innocence are thrown out to mob justice. The number of accusers determine guilt. Carefully scripted revelations over time to keep the public enthralled, repetition, media amplification, all determine guilt.

    3. The women never have to have their charges subjected to any examination.

    4. Employers and business associates are expected to shun someone accused, merely on the word of a woman in a he said she said situation when other progressive women pile on, often with charges that would be barred by a statue of limitations for very good reason. Statute of Limitations? We don’t need no Statute of Limitations, gringo.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @scrivener3


    The right is so ecstatic that a leftist got caught in this web that they are signing on to a process that is going to turn around and bite them big time.
     
    Agreed. The right never learns. They're being played. Again.
  165. @AM
    @Jonathan Mason


    She might be the first woman to admit to seeking her pound of flesh since the Merchant of Venice.
     
    It was the Jew in the Merchant of Venice seeking a pound of flesh. The woman "expert" (dressed as a man) presiding over the trial told Shylock he could have it only if he did not take any blood, since only flesh was in the contract.

    Replies: @guest, @Rosamond Vincy, @Rosamond Vincy

    The merchant was the one who offered that deal, as collateral, when Shylock didn’t want to loan him anything at all.

  166. @AM
    @Jonathan Mason


    She might be the first woman to admit to seeking her pound of flesh since the Merchant of Venice.
     
    It was the Jew in the Merchant of Venice seeking a pound of flesh. The woman "expert" (dressed as a man) presiding over the trial told Shylock he could have it only if he did not take any blood, since only flesh was in the contract.

    Replies: @guest, @Rosamond Vincy, @Rosamond Vincy

    The merchant was the one who *offered* that deal, as collateral, when Shylock didn’t want to loan him anything at all.
    There are actually no heroes in that play. They’re all pretty horrible.

    • Replies: @AM
    @Rosamond Vincy


    The merchant was the one who *offered* that deal, as collateral, when Shylock didn’t want to loan him anything at all.
    There are actually no heroes in that play. They’re all pretty horrible.
     
    And what serious banker takes that as collateral? It's not that Shylock is simply greedy, he's several measures worse. He's vindictive. He wants the right to do something to Antonio. If Antonio doesn't get his money, he wins - his friend is left poor and without his girl. If Antonio's fleet is sunk and he wins by the right to kill Antonio.

    Why isn't Bassanio's offer of double his money redeeming? Why doesn't Shylock take it? Was he about money or something far worse?

    An honest banker would have charged interest and/or refused a pound of flesh or a least repented and taken the money. That was the point. Portia was absolutely correct that Shylock from the very beginning was out for blood for Antonio's "crime" of honestly pointing out exactly what Shylock did in the course of the play. Shylock got off very easy at the end.

    Basically, I'm not sure how you get everyone is horrid in the play unless there's a tendency to write off all wealthy people are horrible. I guess I'll need a better explanation of it from your POV.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  167. @notice
    If there is any real surprise, its that Weinstein just didn't get expensive call girls in his hotel rooms instead of risking having an actress he'd try to force himself onto calling the police. That is surprising. He must have been supremely confident in how badly these young women wanted to be in the movies.

    Replies: @theMann, @guest, @Alden, @CK, @BB753, @dfordoom

    If there is any real surprise, its that Weinstein just didn’t get expensive call girls in his hotel rooms instead of risking having an actress he’d try to force himself onto calling the police. That is surprising.

    It’s not surprising at all. He wasn’t interested in the sex. He was interested in humiliating the women. He’s a profoundly ugly and repulsive man so he enjoyed the idea that these women would submit to his advances.

    Not that I have the slightest sympathy for the women involved. I have more sympathy for honest whores than for Hollywood actresses.

  168. @TheBoom
    The Hollywood scandals are just a microcosm of how Jews act toward goys when they get power over us in any institution. They clearly hate us and enjoy debasing us goys. The actresses and boy actors at least get a shot at stardom by prostituting themselves to Jewish entertainment execs. What do the rest of us get from what is largely Jewish control of the "news" media and our wars as well as heavy Jewish influence on institutions such as academia, publishing and law?

    I see plenty of downsides including: trying to start a race war against whites by one-sided and distorted coverage of violence and discrimination (blame whitey!), demonizing whites as the problem while turning whites into a minority, promoting feminism and gender fluidity ideology and laws to breakup white families, disseminating propaganda to get whites to have fewer kids to save the environment, indoctrinating white children from an early age to not respect white achievements and only see the dark side even if imaginary, leading much of the effort to wage wars Jews to protect Israel that goys get to fight and pay for, making sure careers can be easily destroyed when goys notice Jewish control and hatred of us, and alternating between ignoring and celebrating the destruction of the white working class. None of this is subtle. Where is the up side for any of this?

    The hatred Jews have for whites and the one-sided love affair of whites for Jews and Israel is best summed up by the Pew study on the views of people of other religions. As expected, the group evangelical Christians most loved is Jews. The group most hated by Jews is evangelical Christians.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Skinhead, @Alden

    And the constant promotion of interracial sex and miscegenation in TV, movies, and advertisements not to mention porn.

  169. @benjaminl
    Just a few (disgusting) links in support of this (appalling but true) analysis:

    https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2015/may/22/an-open-secret-documentary-reveals-paedophilia-in-hollywood

    http://defamer.gawker.com/bryan-singers-obsession-with-barely-legal-boys-was-an-o-1564367291

    http://gawker.com/bryan-singers-connection-to-hollywood-kid-sex-scene-exp-1659209024

    http://defamer.gawker.com/the-great-big-bryan-singer-sex-party-mailbag-1564764188

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bryan-singer-sex-abuse-case-699828

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3115792/Pedophile-X-Men-actor-convicted-sexually-abusing-Nickelodeon-child-star-working-underage-kids.html

    http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-et-ct-young-artist-awards/

    https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2017/jan/29/hollywood-awards-season-scams-child-stars

    http://defamer.gawker.com/the-sad-truths-behind-the-l-a-party-scene-that-took-do-1567145397

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1024561

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    The music industry is just as bad.

    The modeling/fashion/glamor industry is so bad that, in comparison, Hollywood looks fairly prudish.

    The entertainment industry (movies/tv, music, and modeling/fashion) is a huge whorehouse full of sexual predators (sorry, I mean “executives”) and aspiring actors/musicians/models who literally prostitute themselves for fame (and money). Harvey Weinstein, Ben Affleck, Russel Crowe, Matt Damon, Bill Cosby, Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and music producer Dr. Luke are just the tip of the iceberg.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The music industry is just as bad.

    But women don't seem to be complaining in our shameless culture where to be 'empowered' means to surrender to one's base and primal lusts. Since women have the whore-gene and since our society says Let It Free, women don't complain about all those rap songs that call them 'bitchass hos'. They just 'twerk' their butts to it. And plenty of women have groupie mentality and just throw themselves at 'bad boys'.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4qung7

  170. @anon
    @Cucksworth

    It's pervieness all right.

    Weinstein is a subbie. Exposing himself. Begging for a massage instead of simply demanding sex.

    Anthony Wiener also. A flasher. At least he wasn't physically repellant but more than made up for that by hitting on under age girls.

    Rapists don't typically take their clothes off and beg for sex. And women who went for these invitations? It is an admission that they agreed to undesirable sex to further their careers. Why not frame yourself as a rape victim?

    Women seem to be especially repulsed by the submissive male behavior. They are lining up for 50 Shades, no? There is more than enough to justify outrage, but on a deep, emotional level -- it repulses them. To be subjected to a guy debasing and humiliating himself. Ugly on top of it all.

    Sexual harassment is an abuse of power, but Weinstein batted from the other side. The power, which is essential to the harassment charge, is the second order power of getting away with it.

    Bet the author of this piece is on the bandwagon for Trans. But a man acting a little subby rattles the foundation of their world view.

    Replies: @anon, @Lurker, @dfordoom, @Bernardista

    Women seem to be especially repulsed by the submissive male behavior.

    Of course they’re repulsed by it. And rightly so.

    That’s why feminism has made women crazy. Feminism has turned the entire male sex into submissives and then, surprise surprise, women discover that they’re nauseated by the idea of having sex with submissive men.

  171. @StillCARealist
    @Wilkey

    Rape and prostitution dwell together nicely in symbiosis. Casual sex encourages all this murkiness of judgment and comes back to haunt both men and women, for different reasons, even decades afterwards. Alcohol and drugs are part of the foundation.

    Everybody involved in this filthy behavior needs to be shamed and embarrassed. Don't think for a minute that the women making accusations aren't feeling like trash right now.

    Replies: @guest, @res

    Don’t think for a minute that the women making accusations aren’t feeling like trash right now.

    But what do you want to bet that the fallout from that feeling lands on everyone around them rather than themselves?

    P.S. Well said.

  172. WOW! A feminazi whining about a zionist dbag. Oh the horrors. You can make this shit up.

  173. What Trump has to do is launch a massive Federal investigation into Hollywood’s phone book size record of sexual predation that has gone on from the 1930s to today. In doing this, Trump will be seeing to it that Hollywood’s total hypocrisy on sexual issues is never swept under the rug. Also, a massive FBI investigation (including looking into Hollywood child sex abuse) would be Trump going on the offensive against Hollywood and would literally throw them off their proverbial high horse. This would achieve three great things: (1) Hollywood would be to busy trying to avoid prison to attack Trump, (2) Hollywood, having felt Trump’s vengeful fury, would now be too scared to ever go after Trump again , and (3) if such an investigation resulted in massive criminal prosecutions, it may well destroy Hollywood as an institution. Trump needs to do this!

  174. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Wilkey

    It's definitely prostitution.

    My guess is that Harvey Weinstein comes onto women sexually and, if they let him do what he wants, he gives them a role in one his movies. If they refuse, no role. Not sure whether I'd call it "rape," but it's definitely coercive and probably illegal.

    The "casting couch" has been a very common practice in the entertainment (tv/movies, music, fashion/modeling) industry for decades. Probably less common now, but still happens enough. Weinstein's sin wasn't that he harassed women, his sin was that he called attention to the widespread nature of sexual predation and prostitution in Hollywood/music/modeling. That's why everyone hates him.

    Lots of entertainers moonlight as escorts to pay the bills too. So if a rich fat cat like Harvey Weinstein wants to be your sugar daddy, it's actually a big break too. I bet that when Weinstein came onto those women, some probably figured that they could make some serious money off servicing him (while also getting a role in a movie).

    It's not just straight male predators and female prostitutes. Lots of gay men demand sexual favors from aspiring male actors/musicians/models. If you play along, you get the role. Lots of famous men (especially Cruz and Travolta) are well known to have used this path to attain fame/celebrity. More than a few straight men enter "gigolo" agencies too so they can pay the bills. Contrary to what you may have heard, literally 100% of male "gigolos" service gay men. There is no market for straight women.....

    In conclusion, the entertainment industry (acting, music, modeling) is one huge whorehouse. A whorehouse in which males and females trade their bodies to powerful/wealthy sexual predators, so they can become famous or at least pay the bills. It's also a crack house, full of drug/alcohol addicts..........

    .....and these are the people who lecture us about gay rights, women's rights, human rights.........

    Replies: @anonguy, @guest, @MBlanc46, @Jack D

    You have to compare Weinstein to Hefner as I mentioned before. Hefner was exactly as you describe – he made it very clear to the women around him that they would be rewarded for sex and if they withheld it they would get nothing from him. But for Hefner, that’s where it ended – if you said no, he accepted your answer and didn’t try to force himself on you. He didn’t need to – there were tons of willing females willing to take him up on his offer.

    But Weinstein was different. He was not the kind of person who would accept no for an answer from ANYONE. Not on a movie deal and not on his sexual propositions. Weinstein, like Hefner, probably had consensual sexual encounters with hundreds if not thousands of willing starlets. BUT, there was a small minority who were not willing to go along. Weinstein thought that if he just bullied them that he could get past their objections as well. It is this relatively small latter group who are (rightly) causing problems for him now. Regardless of the (low) level of morality in Hollywood, he had no right to force himself on anyone.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack D


    Regardless of the (low) level of morality in Hollywood, he had no right to force himself on anyone.
     
    Thank you for saying this.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @Jack D

    I think you've got most of it, with the exception that Weinstein may be an actual sadist. I don't mean whips-n-chains as a kink; I mean he likes inflicting pain and fear on everybody, male and female.

    When Hefner learned that Dorothy Stratten had been unwillingly pimped out to him by her husband (who was later to murder her), he was appalled. He went in for bribery, not coercion. The impression given by accounts of Weinstein is that he *preferred* intimidation, if not outright physical coercion. People have posted comments to the effect that an enthusiastic woman probably would have made him lose all of *his* enthusiasm.

    Replies: @guest, @Clyde

    , @anon
    @Jack D

    It may have been more aspirational than authentic, but Hef fashioned himself on the the model of a gentleman. A certain type. Reasonably well to do, sybaritic, a roue. But with a bit of polish and manners. It was a time when there was interest in the art of expressing romantic or sexual interest in a fashion that a woman could, if she was uninterested, still consider it flattering. "Of all the women in the world, I caught Hef's eye."

    , @dfordoom
    @Jack D


    Regardless of the (low) level of morality in Hollywood, he had no right to force himself on anyone.
     
    So has he actually been convicted of forcing himself onto anybody? Remember that pesky presumption of innocence stuff?

    Replies: @Alden

  175. http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/23/health/opioid-overdose-library-narcan/index.html

    White Death and Weinstein.

    Why suck time lag in the revelation?

  176. @unpc downunder
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    People don't have nervous breakdowns anymore, they have mental disorders. This subtle difference is very important to the sales of anti-depressants, which are claimed to resolve neurotransmitter imbalances in the brain.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Ivy

    Prior generations were inhibited about all that serotonin reuptake, and then Big Pharma encouraged them to be less selective. Lie back and think of, well, nothing.

  177. Sometimes I wonder if people who dedicate their lives to reviewing things of no importance ever stop to think about whether they are doing something meaningful with their lives.

  178. @Wilkey
    "If there is any real surprise, its that Weinstein just didn’t get expensive call girls in his hotel rooms instead of risking having an actress he’d try to force himself onto calling the police."

    You don't think he was paying for expensive call girls, as well? How profoundly naive of you. Of course the other big question amidst the *sexual harassment* scandal is how many women aren't accusing him because they did sleep with him and feel like they got a great gig out of it, which means it wasn't so much harassment as rape? It's interesting that so many movies produced by the Weinsteins were highbrow dramas targeted at a female audience, which meant a lot more female actresses than your average thriller or scifi flick...which meant more women for Weinstein to harass.

    I suspect the federal government could bring charges if it examines Weinstein's records and determines that a whole lot of book and movie "deals" were nothing more than payoffs for people to keep quiet. That could mean serious jail time, not just exile from Hollywood. And it could mean jail time for the executives involved in those deals, not just Harvey.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @guest, @Ivy

    RICO.
    When will the Feds pursue that?

  179. Harvey is being sealed off by the rest of Hollywood like mole rats abandoning a comrade to a predator.

    Gotta protect the colony, don’t you know.

  180. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You have to compare Weinstein to Hefner as I mentioned before. Hefner was exactly as you describe - he made it very clear to the women around him that they would be rewarded for sex and if they withheld it they would get nothing from him. But for Hefner, that's where it ended - if you said no, he accepted your answer and didn't try to force himself on you. He didn't need to - there were tons of willing females willing to take him up on his offer.

    But Weinstein was different. He was not the kind of person who would accept no for an answer from ANYONE. Not on a movie deal and not on his sexual propositions. Weinstein, like Hefner, probably had consensual sexual encounters with hundreds if not thousands of willing starlets. BUT, there was a small minority who were not willing to go along. Weinstein thought that if he just bullied them that he could get past their objections as well. It is this relatively small latter group who are (rightly) causing problems for him now. Regardless of the (low) level of morality in Hollywood, he had no right to force himself on anyone.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rosamond Vincy, @anon, @dfordoom

    Regardless of the (low) level of morality in Hollywood, he had no right to force himself on anyone.

    Thank you for saying this.

    • Agree: Alden
  181. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Speaking of 'ever-steepening crescendos,' what is the record for the world's longest collective nervous breakdown?

    Replies: @AM, @Forbes, @njguy73, @unpc downunder, @Laugh Track

    Speaking of ‘ever-steepening crescendos,’ what is the record for the world’s longest collective nervous breakdown?

    In my own lifetime, I reckon the stretch from Nov. 1963 through to the collapse of the Soviet Union and Bloc in 1992. A veritable feast of nervous breakdowns throughout those three decades, at least in the U.S.

    If we truly want “the world’s longest collective nervous breakdown”, I suppose there might be extended periods such as the fall of the Roman Empire or the history of France from the French Revolution through most of the 19th century. I’m not up on Chinese history so there may be impressively long periods of collective nervous breakdown in their history that I don’t know about.

  182. @Cagey Beast
    OT: Another Russian-financed social media false flag operation? Nope, she the actual Deputy Secretary General of NATO:

    https://twitter.com/Gottemoeller/status/864874129597640704

    Replies: @unpc downunder, @NickG, @Almost Missouri, @YetAnotherAnon, @Alden, @The True and Original David, @Laugh Track, @Expletive Deleted

    OT: Another Russian-financed social media false flag operation? Nope, she the actual Deputy Secretary General of NATO

    I can’t imagine a clearer image of Globalist solidarity than this. ” ‘We’ve gotten ourselves into positions of impregnable influence and the rest of you had better swallow and accept it or be singled out as deplorables. ‘Diversity and inclusion’ are unchallengeable values. Take heed!”

    I’m beginning to understand Trump yanking the US out of UNESCO.

    I’m also beginning to understand why I ran into backlash as a child in the 50’s when I went Trick ‘r Treating with a UNICEF bucket for contributions. The Globalists had “appropriated” a relatively innocent children’s holiday to harvest $ for their programs. I was a tool.

    My bad!

  183. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian
    @TheBoom

    I think pronounced Philo-Semitism is a feature of certain strains of Evangelical Christianity rather than of Evangelical Christianity generally. A lot of it has to do with attempts at literal interpretation of the most allegorical book in the bible, Revelation/The Apocalypse.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    At first, Reformed and Protestant Christianity had a healthy attitude toward “Modern Judaism” (e.g., Talmudism) but it slowly got cucked with a little help from probably Jewish /marrano influences. The “British Israel” movement produced both the virulently anti-Talmudist Christian Identity movement, but much more influentially the modern “Christian Zionist” and premillennial tribulationist movements, beginning with Darby and the God-damned Scofield Reference Bible.

    Since after WWII televangelism became the driving force of “evangelical” Protestantism, the fact that televangelists and TV “ministries” spouting CZ and other Israel-worshipping, hypercucked pro-Zionist are the only ones that seem to get media access. Anyone skeptical of this theology or of pouring unlimited money and blood into Israel winds up out of the insanely lucrative televangelsit bsiness and preaching to a marginal rural congregation.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anonymous

    I think reason the holy roller preachers are zionist is more bribe money from ADL AJC and AIPAC than the Scofield bible. How can anyone believe the bible? Very interesting what you wrote about preachers bing banned from TV unless they are pro Israel. I never thought of that. But then I don't watch TV preachers.

    When I was 6 in Sunday School I didn't know anything about sex. But I thought Mary had a boyfriend somewhere who got her pregnant instead of God. And some of the OT, horrible, horrible stories. Read the Book of Dinah. Her father tells her to seduce a goy boy. She does. His whole tribe agrees to be circumsised. On the third day when all the men and boys of the goy tribe were laid low with infections the Jew Tribe slaughtered the Goy tribe.

    Wonderful stories for a child.

  184. @Buzz Mohawk
    @nebulafox

    Best of luck to you.

    I think Steve interweaves some kind of subliminal material here that stimulates dopamine production.

    I tried to leave once. That failed, and I'm not even an addictive person. Now I've lost everything because of my iSteve habit. All my friends have left me, and I'm living in a cardboard box behind a dumpster.

    But there's WiFi here!

    Replies: @Lagertha, @ATX Hipster

  185. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You have to compare Weinstein to Hefner as I mentioned before. Hefner was exactly as you describe - he made it very clear to the women around him that they would be rewarded for sex and if they withheld it they would get nothing from him. But for Hefner, that's where it ended - if you said no, he accepted your answer and didn't try to force himself on you. He didn't need to - there were tons of willing females willing to take him up on his offer.

    But Weinstein was different. He was not the kind of person who would accept no for an answer from ANYONE. Not on a movie deal and not on his sexual propositions. Weinstein, like Hefner, probably had consensual sexual encounters with hundreds if not thousands of willing starlets. BUT, there was a small minority who were not willing to go along. Weinstein thought that if he just bullied them that he could get past their objections as well. It is this relatively small latter group who are (rightly) causing problems for him now. Regardless of the (low) level of morality in Hollywood, he had no right to force himself on anyone.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rosamond Vincy, @anon, @dfordoom

    I think you’ve got most of it, with the exception that Weinstein may be an actual sadist. I don’t mean whips-n-chains as a kink; I mean he likes inflicting pain and fear on everybody, male and female.

    When Hefner learned that Dorothy Stratten had been unwillingly pimped out to him by her husband (who was later to murder her), he was appalled. He went in for bribery, not coercion. The impression given by accounts of Weinstein is that he *preferred* intimidation, if not outright physical coercion. People have posted comments to the effect that an enthusiastic woman probably would have made him lose all of *his* enthusiasm.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Rosamond Vincy

    "Dorothy Stratten had been unwillingly pimped out to him by her husband"

    You mean Eric Roberts, err, Paul Snider? Along with Mariel Hemingway's implants the star of Bob Fosse's Star 80.

    "You won't forget Paul Snider."

    , @Clyde
    @Rosamond Vincy

    You can say Harvey Weinstein was a sadist but he was also a masochist. He liked the drama of having to silence, pay out and bribe the young actresses. His last donation of five million to USC for female film makers was just rejected. Anyways, due to diminishing cash flow he would not have been able to complete that pledge.

    "According to Variety, the USC School Of Cinematic Arts has refused to accept a $5 million donation from Harvey Weinstein to fund “an endowment for female filmmakers.”

    Sure he raped some of the young actresses. But 95% of the time it was just pervy degenerate behavior he wanted to display and have them participate in such as a massage. Then after these girls fled and rejected him he got to reject them for roles in his movies. This was his power-play and emotional goal. He was doing an over and over again replay of what happened to him when he was young when girls rejected fatso him and his acne scarred face. But this time around he gets his revenge by screwing them out of roles in his Miramax movies.

    He was not getting much extra-marital action from them.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  186. I guess Noah Cross figures are still around. Nothing really changes.

    It’s like the ironic introduction to HIS GIRL FRIDAY.

    “It all happened in the ‘dark ages’ of the Newspaper Game.”

    Well, it sure ain’t the Renaissance in journalism today.

  187. @anon
    @Cucksworth

    It's pervieness all right.

    Weinstein is a subbie. Exposing himself. Begging for a massage instead of simply demanding sex.

    Anthony Wiener also. A flasher. At least he wasn't physically repellant but more than made up for that by hitting on under age girls.

    Rapists don't typically take their clothes off and beg for sex. And women who went for these invitations? It is an admission that they agreed to undesirable sex to further their careers. Why not frame yourself as a rape victim?

    Women seem to be especially repulsed by the submissive male behavior. They are lining up for 50 Shades, no? There is more than enough to justify outrage, but on a deep, emotional level -- it repulses them. To be subjected to a guy debasing and humiliating himself. Ugly on top of it all.

    Sexual harassment is an abuse of power, but Weinstein batted from the other side. The power, which is essential to the harassment charge, is the second order power of getting away with it.

    Bet the author of this piece is on the bandwagon for Trans. But a man acting a little subby rattles the foundation of their world view.

    Replies: @anon, @Lurker, @dfordoom, @Bernardista

    Aren’t the actors who’ve jumped on the anti-everything white bandwagon debasing themselves in a way, as well?

    Maybe they think it’s attractive to women, but it’s not. Unless you’re Lena Dunham, that is.

  188. Polly Perkins

  189. @Bro Methylene
    In the 1930's, powerful Hollywood producers were known collectively as "The HOMINTERN." I can't believe any of the shock being expressed is sincere.

    Progress in audio-visual technology now enables anyone to be a spy! The balance of power is shifting. Just holding a few AIDS fundraisers is no longer enough to divert attention from one's evil deeds.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PapayaSF

    The earliest use of the word “Hominterm” that I am aware of is an Auden essay on Oscar Wilde from 1950. I believe it was used (seriously) by Joseph McCarthy and others and facetiously by some to refer to the secret network of homosexuals. It no doubt had connections to Hollywood, but I’m not aware of it ever referring to “powerful Hollywood producers” in the 1930s.

  190. @Rosamond Vincy
    @Jack D

    I think you've got most of it, with the exception that Weinstein may be an actual sadist. I don't mean whips-n-chains as a kink; I mean he likes inflicting pain and fear on everybody, male and female.

    When Hefner learned that Dorothy Stratten had been unwillingly pimped out to him by her husband (who was later to murder her), he was appalled. He went in for bribery, not coercion. The impression given by accounts of Weinstein is that he *preferred* intimidation, if not outright physical coercion. People have posted comments to the effect that an enthusiastic woman probably would have made him lose all of *his* enthusiasm.

    Replies: @guest, @Clyde

    “Dorothy Stratten had been unwillingly pimped out to him by her husband”

    You mean Eric Roberts, err, Paul Snider? Along with Mariel Hemingway’s implants the star of Bob Fosse’s Star 80.

    “You won’t forget Paul Snider.”

  191. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @WIlkey
    @guest

    That still wouldn’t be rape. Even if destroying their careers meant they’d be starving on the Mean Streets.

    No, perhaps not. So maybe just a higher, more refined type of Not Quite Rape.

    Jeff Sessions' Justice Department better be ready to take full advantage of the opportunity this scandal provides. By exposing the sexual harassment, the not quite rape, and the deals that are made to keep people quiet - keep in mind those deals often involve the press, not just showbiz (which are barely distinguishable these days) he could utterly destroy the credibility of the industry. And he should. This scandal goes deep.

    Replies: @anon, @theMann

    It’s categorically different than the traditional notion of rape, which was a capital crime. Forcing a woman to bear a stranger’s child — the stranger incidentally being a violent felon. And force was taken literally and excluded situations where a woman could walk away.

    The Italian actress claimed he forced her to let him perform oral sex on her. She was also upset that she felt as if she had to fake an orgasm to get it over with.

    Rhett Butler forced himself on Scarlett. He made her sit in a chair while he performed oral sex on her?

    Hey … the general thesis of prostitution being sorta rape is like saying that property is sorta like theft.

    The campus snowflake is obsessed with the fact that he/she/it doesn’t feel safe. As if feeling safe is as important as being safe.

    There is an inherent anti male aspect to broadening a violent, formerly capital crime to anything involving sex that sorta feels like rape.

    Prostitution is transactional sex of the most extreme sort. Pay cash in advance to a stranger.

    But social life itself is based on reciprocity which is transactional. Plus a lot more.

    It is mostly a massive shaming of a Hollywood Icon that was mean and made women feel bad. How appropriate that it is playing out on Twitter. And sure … feed this guy to the the SJW virtue signalers who want to make hurting someone’s feelings a crime. The groundswell of popularity for criminal penalties for hate speech. Which seems to focus on making an identity group feel bad.

    And by all means publicize all the graphic detail of his pervy style. Inquiring minds and all.

    • Replies: @guest
    @anon

    "Rhett Butler forced himself on Scarlett"

    They were married at the time. She consented at the altar.

    Replies: @Alden

  192. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You have to compare Weinstein to Hefner as I mentioned before. Hefner was exactly as you describe - he made it very clear to the women around him that they would be rewarded for sex and if they withheld it they would get nothing from him. But for Hefner, that's where it ended - if you said no, he accepted your answer and didn't try to force himself on you. He didn't need to - there were tons of willing females willing to take him up on his offer.

    But Weinstein was different. He was not the kind of person who would accept no for an answer from ANYONE. Not on a movie deal and not on his sexual propositions. Weinstein, like Hefner, probably had consensual sexual encounters with hundreds if not thousands of willing starlets. BUT, there was a small minority who were not willing to go along. Weinstein thought that if he just bullied them that he could get past their objections as well. It is this relatively small latter group who are (rightly) causing problems for him now. Regardless of the (low) level of morality in Hollywood, he had no right to force himself on anyone.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rosamond Vincy, @anon, @dfordoom

    It may have been more aspirational than authentic, but Hef fashioned himself on the the model of a gentleman. A certain type. Reasonably well to do, sybaritic, a roue. But with a bit of polish and manners. It was a time when there was interest in the art of expressing romantic or sexual interest in a fashion that a woman could, if she was uninterested, still consider it flattering. “Of all the women in the world, I caught Hef’s eye.”

  193. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    @benjaminl

    The music industry is just as bad.

    The modeling/fashion/glamor industry is so bad that, in comparison, Hollywood looks fairly prudish.

    The entertainment industry (movies/tv, music, and modeling/fashion) is a huge whorehouse full of sexual predators (sorry, I mean "executives") and aspiring actors/musicians/models who literally prostitute themselves for fame (and money). Harvey Weinstein, Ben Affleck, Russel Crowe, Matt Damon, Bill Cosby, Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and music producer Dr. Luke are just the tip of the iceberg.

    Replies: @Anon

    The music industry is just as bad.

    But women don’t seem to be complaining in our shameless culture where to be ’empowered’ means to surrender to one’s base and primal lusts. Since women have the whore-gene and since our society says Let It Free, women don’t complain about all those rap songs that call them ‘bitchass hos’. They just ‘twerk’ their butts to it. And plenty of women have groupie mentality and just throw themselves at ‘bad boys’.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4qung7

  194. @nebulafox
    And yet you people enthusiastically voted a sexual harasser into the Oval Office in the 1990s.

    OT: I'm taking a break, perhaps permanently, from iSteve. Lot of reasons, but I'm spending way too much time here, and I have bigger priorities in my life than politics now. I'm not so arrogant to think that people care (or should care)-I'm just posting this for the record to make sure I stick to this promise. I've learned a lot here and am grateful.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Buzz Mohawk, @anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @dr kill, @Chrisnonymous, @anon

    Good luck.

    The quality of some of your extended comments was shockingly good.

  195. @Rosamond Vincy
    @Jack D

    I think you've got most of it, with the exception that Weinstein may be an actual sadist. I don't mean whips-n-chains as a kink; I mean he likes inflicting pain and fear on everybody, male and female.

    When Hefner learned that Dorothy Stratten had been unwillingly pimped out to him by her husband (who was later to murder her), he was appalled. He went in for bribery, not coercion. The impression given by accounts of Weinstein is that he *preferred* intimidation, if not outright physical coercion. People have posted comments to the effect that an enthusiastic woman probably would have made him lose all of *his* enthusiasm.

    Replies: @guest, @Clyde

    You can say Harvey Weinstein was a sadist but he was also a masochist. He liked the drama of having to silence, pay out and bribe the young actresses. His last donation of five million to USC for female film makers was just rejected. Anyways, due to diminishing cash flow he would not have been able to complete that pledge.

    “According to Variety, the USC School Of Cinematic Arts has refused to accept a $5 million donation from Harvey Weinstein to fund “an endowment for female filmmakers.”

    Sure he raped some of the young actresses. But 95% of the time it was just pervy degenerate behavior he wanted to display and have them participate in such as a massage. Then after these girls fled and rejected him he got to reject them for roles in his movies. This was his power-play and emotional goal. He was doing an over and over again replay of what happened to him when he was young when girls rejected fatso him and his acne scarred face. But this time around he gets his revenge by screwing them out of roles in his Miramax movies.

    He was not getting much extra-marital action from them.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Clyde

    when he was young when girls rejected fatso him and his acne scarred face

    Was there ever a point in his youth that he was good looking? If so, I haven't seen the photo.

    Replies: @Clyde

  196. I think this is all some kind of delayed reaction to the Bill Clinton episode (and maybe Cosby). With Clinton and Cosby the Left was restrained from the required “hate” by political alliance and the protected status of Cosby, this created cognitive dissonance. Weinstein formerly benefited from the same, but has been ousted from its protective aura. The dissonance is relieved by the mobbing of Weinstein.

    It is otherwise difficult to explain the sudden hysteria over long-known activities. The activities did not change, knowledge did not change, only the status of the perp changed.

    Things are shifting on the Left.

  197. @Anonymous
    Finally cat has been let out of bag. Rolling Stones secret Russian plot to sap vital humor of American youngster.

    Secret is revealed by accident. Keith Richards secret Russian spy guitar school graduate.

    http://orthodoxcircle.com/blog/1404/the-russian-seven-string-guitar-something-different/


    The Russian seven string guitar - something different
    by George Selinsky

    If you're like most of the world's guitarists, you imagine that a guitar is a six stringed instrument of Spanish origin, tuned E-A-D-G-B-E. However, if you came from Russia, you're probably also at least distantly aware that there is another such animal which belongs to a slightly different species.

    I am not talking about the balalaika, a small three stringed instrument with a triangular body and a small thin neck. I'm talking about the Russian seven string guitar, which upon regular appearance resembles the six string Spanish axe that most of the world plays.



    Back in the late 18th century, Czech harpist and composer Andrei Sychra (who grew up in the Baltics and spoke fluent Russian) invented the seven string guitar, most probably across between the English five stringguitarand the Ukrainian kobza.Unlike the Spanish guitar, the Russian guitar was tuned like the kobza in thirds toD-G-B-D-G-B-D, a G major chord (the seventh string is not an extra bass or tenorstring as is mistakenly thought, but a part of the tuning design: the seven strings perfectly carry thethirdstuning over two octaves, from D to D, just as the six strings on a Spanish guitar cover two octaves, from E to E,in the fourths tuning).

    Sychra's instrument became wildly popularthroughout theRussian empire(including its Gypsy population), while the six string by contrast was a little knowncreature. The Russian's monogamous love affair with the semistrunka, as it was known affectionately, continued into the Soviet period untilit receiveda heavy blow from the semi-underground onslaught of western jazz and rock music. Many kids, wanting to play the same riffsas their western guitar heroes, re-fabricated their Russian guitars into six string guitars. The popular bard Vladimir Vysotsky was perhaps the last Russian icon to exclusivelyplay the seven string throughout his creative life.

    Still, the seven string tradition lives on to this day - albeit as a semi-secret art that is passed on mostly via oral tradition to those interested enough to learn. Countless Russian music, from popularbard and street songsto classical pieces, was originally performed on a seven string guitar withits signature style.

    The seven string chords tend to be more piano like than on a six stringguitar, with a closer note spacing -yet it is also possible to play six string style voicings on a seven string, too.Such a spacingalso permits certain alternating basses that would require more finger work on a six string (i.e. thetrademarkRussian sounding root - flat 3rdminor alternating bass). Another advantage is that the closer tuning of the highest two strings (B and D) permits one finger runs onboth strings for harmonized soloing. The Russian guitar is also deeper sounding, its lowest note is a D, versus an E, and it is often tunedfrom a half totwo and a half whole tones lower. Finally,it boasts thesimplest chord in the world: one finger across the entire fretboard, producing a sonorous seven string major chord in any fretposition(there are, of course, various other useful major shapes as well).

    Ironically, although the Russian guitar is tuned to a G major, a significant percent of Russian music (especially bard songs and street romances) are in a minor key. The seven string minor shapes areactually quite flexible, often using a special technique of one finger depressing two adjacent strings (the strings on aRussian guitar are closer together, making this easy).

    Another trademark Russian guitar technique is the use of theleft hand thumb formany chords, which six string guitaristsmay not be used to. Six stringers are also, generally,used to the barre which is less common for Russian technique (save for the straight barre major). Russian chords tend to rely more on "moveable shapes" that require one to "choke" those strings that are not supposed to be played (using an adjacent finger to mute the string), this technique will likelybe familiar to manyjazz and rock guitarists.

    Russian guitarists traditionally play without a pick, using their right hand fingers to pluck or strum the strings (although it is perfectly possible to use one).

    If you are interested inexperimenting withthe Russian guitar, you don't need to actuallyacquire or modify one. An easy way in is to experiment with the Russian open G tuning on a six string guitar by simply omitting one of the lower strings. Tunings such as D-B-D-G-B-D (my personal favorite, useful for playing Vysotskys songs) orD-G-D-G-B-D are sufficient enough to give you a preview of what the experience is like. Incidentally, the open G tuning is not exclusive to the Russian guitar, youll find a lot of blues, rock,and country musicians have used it as well (most noteably Keith Richards of Rolling Stones fame, i.e. "Jumping Jack Flash" and"Start Me Up").

    To learn the Russian chords, see this article in the Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_guitar

    For those interested in going further and actually getting a seven string, an easy route is tomodify an existing six string guitar.

    The simplest way to do this is to acquire a twelve stringguitar, since the work required is minimal - all that is necessary is for a guitar tech (or you, if you're feeling bold enough) to re-cut the nut and the bridge of the guitar for seven strings. There is no need to drill extra holes of any kind, since the guitaralready has twelve tuningpegs andstring pin holes.A disadvantage is that twelve string guitars are a bit more costly and have a thicker, wider neck which may be uncomfortable for a player with smaller hands.

    Modifying a six string to seven requires drilling a new hole and installing a new tuning peg into the headstock, plusdrilling a new hole fora seventhstring pin - on top of recutting the nut and bridge. This is more work overall, and if done by a guitar tech will be more expensive, but may be worthwhile because of the larger range of instruments you can modify and the narrower neck.

    In conclusion, I cannot say that the Russian guitar is "greater" than the Spanish, nor can I saythe opposite! Each instrument has its own plussesand minuses. While it takes a bit of patience to learn new chord shapes and become proficient in them, learning to playthis instrument with its unique qualitieshas also helped expand my six string playing style.

    Those who want to know more about the semistrunka can read my article "Playing guitar po Russkiy":

    http://www.stseraphimschurch.org/we-magazine/staty...

    A post scriptum: It is also worth noting thatplayers of the Greek bouzoukimay also be familiar with thedifference between thethree (six) and four (eight)stringbouzouki, the latter being a more modern innovation that models its tuning on the Spanish guitar.Many purist bouzouki players only recognize the older three string and claim it is a superior instrument.

     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Che Guava

    Great post, and nice joke about junkie king Richards, even better because it is true (as in use of the tuning on six-stringed, was checking).

    Also informing, was not knowing of it before, it sounds like a great idea, a Russian entrepreneur must starting mass-production ASAP. Serious guitarists (am not, can play a little rhythm, a couple of picking patterns never heard elsewhere, messy feedback lead, but have known several who are great), they are all loving exotic types, so it would being a hit, at least as much as or more than, the headless Steinberg types.

    Am curious, with such an inoccuous and informative post, why you are feeling the need to posting as Anonymous?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Che Guava

    Keith was not the pioneer of playing in open tunings by any means-many black country-bluesmen did so exclusively or on occasion, it is thought to derive from Hawaiian slack key and steel playing-but his use of them was particularly blatant and made for some very distinct riffs that can't quite be duplicated in standard tunings, unless you are an octopus. He used a few, but is most noted for using Open G with the low D string simply removed. He went in the opposite direction from the Russians in that way.

    Solo acoustic steel string guitarists like John Fahey and Leo Kottke over here and Bert Jansch in the UK were doing this too. If there was a pioneer of this in pop music per se, it was probably Joni Mitchell. She was physically limited as a player from a polio attack but used a plethora of different tunings to enable her to play some very effective parts.


    Great post, and nice joke about junkie king Richards, even better because it is true (as in use of the tuning on six-stringed, was checking).

    Also informing, was not knowing of it before, it sounds like a great idea, a Russian entrepreneur must starting mass-production ASAP. Serious guitarists (am not, can play a little rhythm, a couple of picking patterns never heard elsewhere, messy feedback lead, but have known several who are great), they are all loving exotic types, so it would being a hit, at least as much as or more than, the headless Steinberg types.

     

    "never heard elsewhere" reminds me of the famous commentary :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX5298h5AIQ

    At any rate, if you want a semistrunka without commissioning a custom build:
    https://doffguitar.com/product-category/gitary/

    Am curious, with such an inoccuous and informative post, why you are feeling the need to posting as Anonymous?
     
    It's a dangerous world out there.
  198. @WIlkey
    @guest

    That still wouldn’t be rape. Even if destroying their careers meant they’d be starving on the Mean Streets.

    No, perhaps not. So maybe just a higher, more refined type of Not Quite Rape.

    Jeff Sessions' Justice Department better be ready to take full advantage of the opportunity this scandal provides. By exposing the sexual harassment, the not quite rape, and the deals that are made to keep people quiet - keep in mind those deals often involve the press, not just showbiz (which are barely distinguishable these days) he could utterly destroy the credibility of the industry. And he should. This scandal goes deep.

    Replies: @anon, @theMann

    Maybe all you legal types out there know better than me, but it seems:

    1. Rape is a crime against Chastity. I doubt very many rapes have occurred in the USA in 30 years.

    2. Assault is a Crime against the body. An easy case could be made for some number of assaults re Weinstein, but good luck prosecuting them with juries full of women.

    3. Extortion is a crime where ‘provide me with benefit ‘A’, or bad thing ‘B’ will happen to you.

    Now I think we are getting somewhere. If all the extorted women got together and filed criminally and civilly under the RICO act, a Hollywood mogul and 500 of his feminist enables could all be going to prison or seriously fined. And I would buy that for a dollar.

  199. Looks like Weinstein’s goose may be cooked now.

    A very well-known soap opera actress in England has alleged that she knew Weinstein well and they were ‘friends’ until he came to her house in London early one morning and raped her. Daily Mail has graphic details about how he overpowered her, penetrated her, and then pulled out and ejaculated down her leg “like a dog”. Nice! Police are investigating.

    The thing is 1) The UK has no statute of limitations for sex offenses, 2) The UK has an extradition treaty with the US, 3) The standards of proof required for rape are pretty low in the UK, as evidenced by recent cases in which well-known and much-loved entertainers have been sent to prison for sex offenses, for example Rolf Harris, Stuart Hall, based on pretty shaky evidence.

    Probably proof that Weinstein was in London at the time of the allegation would be enough for a conviction. In Harris’s case he was convicted of a sex offense in a city (Portsmouth) when there was no proof that he had ever been there and the allegation seemed highly improbable.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    @Jonathan Mason

    The gold diggers are smelling blood:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4982914/Third-woman-accuses-Harvey-Weinstein-sexual-assault.html

  200. @Rosamond Vincy
    @AM

    The merchant was the one who *offered* that deal, as collateral, when Shylock didn't want to loan him anything at all.
    There are actually no heroes in that play. They're all pretty horrible.

    Replies: @AM

    The merchant was the one who *offered* that deal, as collateral, when Shylock didn’t want to loan him anything at all.
    There are actually no heroes in that play. They’re all pretty horrible.

    And what serious banker takes that as collateral? It’s not that Shylock is simply greedy, he’s several measures worse. He’s vindictive. He wants the right to do something to Antonio. If Antonio doesn’t get his money, he wins – his friend is left poor and without his girl. If Antonio’s fleet is sunk and he wins by the right to kill Antonio.

    Why isn’t Bassanio’s offer of double his money redeeming? Why doesn’t Shylock take it? Was he about money or something far worse?

    An honest banker would have charged interest and/or refused a pound of flesh or a least repented and taken the money. That was the point. Portia was absolutely correct that Shylock from the very beginning was out for blood for Antonio’s “crime” of honestly pointing out exactly what Shylock did in the course of the play. Shylock got off very easy at the end.

    Basically, I’m not sure how you get everyone is horrid in the play unless there’s a tendency to write off all wealthy people are horrible. I guess I’ll need a better explanation of it from your POV.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @AM

    Oh, Shylock's vindictive alright. And he also seems to mourn his lost ducats as much as if not more than his lost daughter. No hero there.

    Antonio, however, think he OWES him loans no matter how many times he is rude to him or even spits on him; he specifically tempts him with the possibility of revenge if he defaults. Even by Renaissance standards, that's both leading another into sin and *tacky*. If someone is that far beyond the pale, one does not do business with him. Certainly, one should not suggest sins for him to commit on top of whichever ones he has already perpetrated.

    Portia's "court" is completely illegal, its verdict invalid, as she is not only not an appointed judge, but female into the bargain. In addition to being an imposter, she turns baptism into a punishment to be imposed, not a Sacrament to be sought. If justice can't be had except by breaking the law, and conversion but by coercion, what does that say about the law and conversion? Christians are taught to turn the other cheek; shouldn't they know _better_ than Shylock about vengeance, and seeking an eye for an eye? Why are they giving Christianity a bad name, instead of setting an example?

    Rather than a promise such as Juliet's that "all my fortunes [meaning future, luck] at thy foot I'll lay, and follow thee, my lord, throughout the world," Jessica's "balcony" scene involves stealing an actual fortune: "gilding herself with more ducats" and swiping, then fencing, her parents' engagement ring. Her new "friends" praise her Theft and failure to Honor her Father as proof that she is "a gentle, and no Jew," and reassure her that her mother may have stepped out on Shylock (Adultery)-- three commandments broken right there, in the name of Gentle Jesus.

    As for her marriage, the beautiful poetry of "On such a night did Thisbe fearfully o'ertrip the dew," with its list of daughters bravely defying a father's ban on True Love, devolves into a swipe at Jessica's larceny, and a hint that even if her husband would have married her without the money, just for her beauty, he neither trusts not respects her. That marriage may last about five minutes before the mutual reproaches and recriminations start.

    Yes, they're all horrible people.

    Replies: @Anon

  201. Might there be a connection between profligate left-wing Democrats and abused women?

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/10/from-ted-kennedy-to-harvey-weinstein-or.html

  202. @Wilkey
    @guest

    You lost me. If there was a quid pro quo involved, that would suggest it wasn’t rape. Could be he’s saying, “Here, take this role instead of going to the cops.” But more likely it was an implied, “Sleep with me and I’ll boost your career.”

    "Let me fuck you and good things will happen. Don't let me fuck you and bad things will happen."

    Sounds like rape to me. Also sounds a little like prostitution. And also something a lot of actresses won't want to admit to having done, if their careers were launched on the back of Harvey's ejaculate. The vast majority of the stories thus far have involved the women *not* giving in to Weinstein's demands, other than not reporting him or accepting some sort of settlement to keep quiet. The women who did yield to his demands won't find it so easy to go public.

    This was rape, and a whole lot of people in Hollywood knew it was happening, and knew it was happening in a lot of other studios in Tinseltown. More of these people stood for Roman Polanski than for Elia Kazan when they received their Oscars in 2003 and 1999, respectively.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @StillCARealist, @JohnnyWalker123, @guest, @Dumbo

    “More of these people stood for Roman Polanski”

    Why did they stand for Polanski (who arguably did something worse) and abandoning or backstabbing Weinstein? There is something else here that we are not being told.

    Also, apparently there was a major disagreement between the Weinstein brothers, so very likely there are other reasons besides sexual misconduct (which is really extremely common in Hollywood).

  203. @Alden
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I think the pieces of a broken mirror being put back together is a rip off from a feminazi review of an incoherent Maya Angelou novel.

    The idea was read the worthless book and try to figure it out. Pieces of a broken mirror comes up a lot in feminazi garbling.

    The casting couch and perversion hasn't changed in 100 years. Check out this book by Scotty Bowers. "Confessions of a sex escort to the stars"

    Everyone knows about the casting couch, the drugs, drink and sex. All this horror and disbelief are just falsehoods.

    Replies: @Che Guava

    Very cynical, Alden, though true.

    I was trying to fimd the other weasel commentor who was trying to say ‘it is just OK。they are all knowing the deal’ (with different wording).

    Weinstein strongly resembles Jabba the Hutt (am knowing that I am likely not the first to saying it, but resemblance is striking).

    In a box, within my rental box, I have Mailer’s book about Marilyn Monroe, so I can’t providing the exact quotes.

    Am gathering that Mailer was an arsehole, he probably was getting away with murder once.

    Point here, he says that she was to be given a terrible internal (and likely external) infection by a Jewish or producer on the ‘casting couch’ before she was famous, sterilised by it.

    So, it is seeming to go on and on.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Che Guava

    With regard to Marilyn Monroe, anything and everything Norman Mailer said should be regarded as a willful and deliberate lie. Mailer and Arther Miller were sort-of-friends and invited Mailer to the house to meet Marilyn, who did not want to meet him and locked herself upstairs in the house while he was over. Mailer got his revenge ten years later by publishing a scurrilous book on Monroe that has generally been thoroughly debunked.

    , @Alden
    @Che Guava

    Mailer almost killed one of his wives, Lady Jean Campbell. Stabbed her with a knife many, many times. She was hospitalized and quickly divorced him. And he was the money bags behind the Village Voice, one of the first free throwaway publications dedicated to ultra leftist propaganda, prostitution ads and campaigns for legalized porn.

    I think Mailer modeled himself on macho man Hemingway. But Mailer took the brawling and wife beating much too far.

    Mailer wanted to be the intellectual voice of the left. But since he was a drunken brawler, always getting into fights and beating his wives and almost killing Jean, the left rejected him. So another communist writer Arthur Miller became the spokesman for the NYC idiot intellectuals.

    An aunt who was a public health nurse once told me that the Beverly Hills, West Los Angeles area had the highest rate of STDs in the entire country. Back in the mid 60's when she told me that, that was the area where everybody in the entertainment industry lived.

    Replies: @Che Guava

  204. Hillary can donate her Harvey W campaign contributions to all of the Libyan children who have been made orphans by her murderous foreign policy. That’ll make everything alright.

  205. HARVEY WEINSTEIN IS A BABY BOOMER

    HARVEY WEINSTEIN IS A JEW

    HARVEY WEINSTEIN IS A SICKO

    HARVEY WEINSTEIN IS A HOLLYWOOD DEMOCRAT

    Maureen Dowd writes that Harvey Weinstein is just the latest version of the Lecherous Hollywood Jew Rat. Dowd tells a story of a Hollywood rat named Freed who behaved in a disgusting manner. Hollywood has been full of horrible Jew rats for almost a hundred years.

    Maureen Dowd tells the tale of a Harvey Weinstein-type Hollywood sicko:

    In her autobiography, “Child Star,” Shirley Temple described going with her mother to see her new bosses at Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer after leaving Fox.

    Louis B. Mayer spirited away Gertrude Temple. The curly-haired superstar — hailed by F.D.R. for helping America get through the Depression — was taken to the office of Arthur Freed, an associate producer on “The Wizard of Oz.”

    After telling her that she would have to get rid of her baby fat, Freed abruptly stood up and pulled out his penis. The 11-year-old had never even seen one before. She gave a nervous laugh, which offended the producer.

    “Get out!” he shouted.

    When she rejoined her mother, an affronted Gertrude told Shirley that she had had to back out of Mayer’s office when he lunged at her.

    “Not for nothing was the M.G.M. lot known as the ‘factory,’ a studio perfumed with sultry, busty creatures with long legs and tight haunches,” Temple wrote, “and more than its quota of lecherous older men.”

    Any attempt to censor someone who points out that 1) Harvey Weinstein is a Jew or 2) Hollywood is run by Jews or 3) Hollywood has a long history of Jew Hollywood rats sexually attacking people is a damn bad business. Stop censoring the truth about Hollywood and Hollywood Jews. I am looking right at you Comcast and NBC News, you damn scum you!

  206. I Demand That Mickey Kaus Condemn Harvey Weinstein.

    I am wary, not paranoid, Mr. Kaus, about your lack of condemnation of Harvey Weinstein. Harvey Weinstein sexually invaded the space of Sports Illustrated swimsuit model Angie Everhart, among other rancid things. Harvey Weinstein has been accused of rape, sexual attacks, sexual misconduct and other disgusting things too sordid to mention.

    I hereby demand that a certain Californian, by the name of Mr Mickey Kaus, immediately condemn Harvey Weinstein.

    Everybody but Donna Karan has, why shouldn’t you?

  207. FORMER HOLLYWOOD INSIDER SPEAKS OUT ABOUT SEXUAL CORRUPTION


  208. @anonymous
    @Forbes

    People under 40, who ain’t “film buffs” have never seen Casablanca. By the way, I thought iSteve did a nice job of pointing out that Rains “shocked, shocked” isn’t remembered correctly.

    Replies: @Alden

    Casablanca was just liberal propaganda designed to ram the USA into WW2. Very early on you can catch some dialogue that shows that Rick the hero was a gun runner for the Russian communist side in the Spanish civil war. He has warrants out in America for the illegal gun running in a good cause beloved by Jews and liberals, to establish a Soviet gulag in Spain.

    Then there is the the nazis are coming to kill all the Jews, the nazis are coming the nazis are coming.

    And I can’t stand Ingrid Bergman or Katherine Hepburn. Bergman is a giantess, much too big to play with normal or even large size men. Ever compared her 4 ft wide shoulders to the men’s normal shoulders? And she has a fat face. The only TV channel I watch is Turner movies because its the only channell where the movie isn’t interrupted every 3 minutes by some ad featuring blacks. So I’ve seen a lot of Ingrid Bergman movies. She’s big and ugly. But it’s a good movie if you ignore the liberal propaganda and don’t watch Bergman’s scenes.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Alden


    Casablanca was just liberal propaganda designed to ram the USA into WW2.
     
    Hollywood was always more about the propaganda than the movies.
  209. @Jonathan Mason
    Looks like Weinstein's goose may be cooked now.

    A very well-known soap opera actress in England has alleged that she knew Weinstein well and they were 'friends' until he came to her house in London early one morning and raped her. Daily Mail has graphic details about how he overpowered her, penetrated her, and then pulled out and ejaculated down her leg "like a dog". Nice! Police are investigating.

    The thing is 1) The UK has no statute of limitations for sex offenses, 2) The UK has an extradition treaty with the US, 3) The standards of proof required for rape are pretty low in the UK, as evidenced by recent cases in which well-known and much-loved entertainers have been sent to prison for sex offenses, for example Rolf Harris, Stuart Hall, based on pretty shaky evidence.

    Probably proof that Weinstein was in London at the time of the allegation would be enough for a conviction. In Harris's case he was convicted of a sex offense in a city (Portsmouth) when there was no proof that he had ever been there and the allegation seemed highly improbable.

    Replies: @jim jones

  210. She’s right; this one just kept getting better and better as it went on.

    Who says Hollywood doesn’t produce great stories anymore?

  211. What?! Hillary didn’t blame this on a “right wing conspiracy”? Shocker.

  212. @anonymous
    @Pat Boyle

    A lot of guys remember your first wife. ;)

    Replies: @2Mintzin1, @Father O'Hara

    The good time had by all?

  213. @Horseball
    How many Jewesses are accusing Weinstein?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @a reader

    French actress Eva Green recently added her voice to the choir.

  214. Merry Olde England has a solution that the Stale, Pale Males would never have come up with. The diversity dividends are starting to roll in:

  215. @Almost Missouri
    @Cagey Beast

    Have a look at the reply tweets.

    Replies: @dr kill

    I read them, what’s your point?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @dr kill

    No one's buying anymore what Gottemoeller's selling.

    It's a good sign, really. Diversity and Inclusion® is no longer the avant garde trend of the future. It is now the province of stale, pale Midwestern careerists. Can there be any surer sign of its impending demise?

  216. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting question … what’s new? what’s different?

    Social media has created a virtual lynch mob.

    ‘Calling out’ is reflexive and done without any thought. And hypocrisy is original sin.

    The interesting thing is that blood lust for Weinstein is permitting deviation from the broader narrative. It is that intense. The NYT’s couldn’t even resist from commenting on the hypocrisy. From the unpaywalled LA Times:

    Weinstein sexual harassment controversy exposes Hollywood’s double standard

    When the infamous “Access Hollywood” tape leaked one year ago, capturing then-candidate, now-President Trump bragging in coarse terms in 2005 about being allowed to grab women because he was a celebrity, Hollywood had a meltdown.
    Cher called Trump a “scumbag carny barker” on Twitter. Comedian Patton Oswalt labeled him a “sexist creep.” Actress Emmy Rossum wrote: “misogynistic entitled pig.”
    This week, amid revelations that Oscar-winning movie and television producer Harvey Weinstein had a long history of sexually harassing women, Hollywood’s response was largely muted. Film studios on Friday all declined to comment.
    “Yup. Hollywood shines light on Catholic Church, sex trafficking — let’s shine it on ourselves a second and what we’ve condoned,” actress-writer-producer Lena Dunham wrote on Twitter, one of the few celebrities who took a public stand.

    Dunham has the social media generation’s less grounded sense of who/whom. Anyone she can call out is fair game. It only takes five minutes. Why not? The narrative can stand on its own — with or without aging Hollywood elites.

    Why not indeed.

  217. @guest
    @StillCARealist

    "Rape and prostitution dwell together nicely in symbiosis"

    Only in the sense that prostitutes are easier pickings for criminals, being outlaws themselves. I imagine most of them would be willing to admit to prostitution in order to press rape charges, but at least some of them would be deterred.

    Otherwise, no. They're different things. Prostitution is actually a substitute for might-be rapists.

    What you mean is probably that they both thrive in the Dark Sexual Underbelly,which isn't really true considering all the near-socially acceptable forms of quasi-prostitution. Much less so rape.

    Though we'd be better off if women weren't so eager to prostitute themselves, just because both involve the exploitation of women doesn't mean they live in symbiosis. Or not any more than hurting people's feelings and murdering them with fire live in symbiosis because they're both injurious.

    Even back in the Bad Old Days, when women having sex out of wedlock period was tantamount to rape, you probably would've looked at it as less than rape if you knew the supposed victim did it for money. (Actually, she might not be the victim any more than a car, for instance, can be the victim of vandalism. Rape might have been seen as violating the property of the father or husband. But we all know people aren't exactly property like tables and chairs.*)

    *Or casting couches.

    Replies: @StillCARealist

    What’s the difference between a prostitute and a slut? One does it for the money, the other for… well, often money. At least that’s what I’ve seen from the handful of very promiscuous women I’ve known. The slut wants $ for booze, food, drugs, a fun night out. Yes, she wants love too, but she’s probably used to disappointment. I have no idea if prostitutes want love or not. The only pro I’ve known was a guy who did it for the $ while in a terrible situation.

    anyway, why wouldn’t a predator rape a prostitute or a slut? After all, she’s a whore. She’s there to be abused and be an object for his pleasure. That’s why I said the two go together so often. And I guess I mean the whole range of sexual violence, not just the technical rape crime.

    So I’m basing my opinion off of what I’ve seen from human beings who behaved like prostitutes. BTW, the guy who did it got himself out quickly after a horrible experience that left him HIV-positive.

  218. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Che Guava
    @Alden

    Very cynical, Alden, though true.

    I was trying to fimd the other weasel commentor who was trying to say 'it is just OK。they are all knowing the deal' (with different wording).

    Weinstein strongly resembles Jabba the Hutt (am knowing that I am likely not the first to saying it, but resemblance is striking).

    In a box, within my rental box, I have Mailer's book about Marilyn Monroe, so I can't providing the exact quotes.

    Am gathering that Mailer was an arsehole, he probably was getting away with murder once.

    Point here, he says that she was to be given a terrible internal (and likely external) infection by a Jewish or producer on the 'casting couch' before she was famous, sterilised by it.

    So, it is seeming to go on and on.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden

    With regard to Marilyn Monroe, anything and everything Norman Mailer said should be regarded as a willful and deliberate lie. Mailer and Arther Miller were sort-of-friends and invited Mailer to the house to meet Marilyn, who did not want to meet him and locked herself upstairs in the house while he was over. Mailer got his revenge ten years later by publishing a scurrilous book on Monroe that has generally been thoroughly debunked.

  219. Next to get exposed: The annual Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue. Lord knows how many SI execs those women have to sleep with to get on each issue.

  220. Isn’t it just the height of hypocrisy that Hollywood made that movie about sexual abuse in the Catholic church? They should’ve made a movie about their own sexual abuse. Maybe that’ll be Miramax’s next movie. Who will play Harvey?

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Olympus

    "Who will play Harvey?"
    Leonardo di Caprio, of course! And the perverted producer will be a member of the infamous "Harvard - Wasp Hollywood mafia".

  221. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    One thing Trump and Weinstein have in common. They are pompous pimps.

    Just how did the pu**y-grabber suddenly find God and patriotism?

    Just how did the whine-n-dine-stein have time for all those noble causes?

    And more pompous pimps with Kimmel and Eminem. Vain egotists yammering about humanity.

    A truly Pimpous Age.

  222. @Clyde
    @Rosamond Vincy

    You can say Harvey Weinstein was a sadist but he was also a masochist. He liked the drama of having to silence, pay out and bribe the young actresses. His last donation of five million to USC for female film makers was just rejected. Anyways, due to diminishing cash flow he would not have been able to complete that pledge.

    "According to Variety, the USC School Of Cinematic Arts has refused to accept a $5 million donation from Harvey Weinstein to fund “an endowment for female filmmakers.”

    Sure he raped some of the young actresses. But 95% of the time it was just pervy degenerate behavior he wanted to display and have them participate in such as a massage. Then after these girls fled and rejected him he got to reject them for roles in his movies. This was his power-play and emotional goal. He was doing an over and over again replay of what happened to him when he was young when girls rejected fatso him and his acne scarred face. But this time around he gets his revenge by screwing them out of roles in his Miramax movies.

    He was not getting much extra-marital action from them.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    when he was young when girls rejected fatso him and his acne scarred face

    Was there ever a point in his youth that he was good looking? If so, I haven’t seen the photo.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Harry Baldwin


    Was there ever a point in his youth that he was good looking? If so, I haven’t seen the photo.
     
    He was a hefty and dynamic guy in the 1990s that was decent enough looking because his hair was dark and more of it. He was a charismatic deal maker and producer. Con artist and this is where the young actresses come in.
  223. @anon
    @WIlkey

    It's categorically different than the traditional notion of rape, which was a capital crime. Forcing a woman to bear a stranger's child -- the stranger incidentally being a violent felon. And force was taken literally and excluded situations where a woman could walk away.

    The Italian actress claimed he forced her to let him perform oral sex on her. She was also upset that she felt as if she had to fake an orgasm to get it over with.

    Rhett Butler forced himself on Scarlett. He made her sit in a chair while he performed oral sex on her?

    Hey ... the general thesis of prostitution being sorta rape is like saying that property is sorta like theft.

    The campus snowflake is obsessed with the fact that he/she/it doesn't feel safe. As if feeling safe is as important as being safe.

    There is an inherent anti male aspect to broadening a violent, formerly capital crime to anything involving sex that sorta feels like rape.

    Prostitution is transactional sex of the most extreme sort. Pay cash in advance to a stranger.

    But social life itself is based on reciprocity which is transactional. Plus a lot more.

    It is mostly a massive shaming of a Hollywood Icon that was mean and made women feel bad. How appropriate that it is playing out on Twitter. And sure ... feed this guy to the the SJW virtue signalers who want to make hurting someone's feelings a crime. The groundswell of popularity for criminal penalties for hate speech. Which seems to focus on making an identity group feel bad.

    And by all means publicize all the graphic detail of his pervy style. Inquiring minds and all.

    Replies: @guest

    “Rhett Butler forced himself on Scarlett”

    They were married at the time. She consented at the altar.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @guest

    GTWW was a novel. And it had too many blacks and their irritating dialect in it.

  224. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    I find it odd a film critic, of all people, would be "shocked". I thought film critics detested Weinstein. He finances the sort of middle-brow audience friendly Oscar-worthy schlock ("Shakespeare in Love" being the best example) that bien-pensants love to criticize. Culture snob that I am, I have detested Weinstein for years, based on nothing other than his taste in movies.

    Replies: @guest, @Anon

    I find it odd a film critic, of all people, would be “shocked”. I thought film critics detested Weinstein. He finances the sort of middle-brow audience friendly Oscar-worthy schlock

    This is Dana Stevens here, not Jonathan Rosenbaum(who regularly attacked Weinstein and NY critics like Denby and Maslin. Stevens is essentially middlebrow. But then, middlebrow is usually the best place to be in film culture.

  225. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Stevens is someone who blames Reagan-Era Indifference for the HIV disaster in the homo community.

    PC as status marker blinds many eyes.

    It’s like the reluctance among Catholics to believe in abusive priests. Why? After all, priests are supposed to be selfless holy men? Could they really do such a thing?

    And so many people, even intelligent ones, simply wouldn’t believe that Lenin and Stalin could do the things they did. After all, the communist revolution was about love and progress.

    And Hollywood has become like the new church for Progs. Even as culture critics like Stevens like to poke fun at Hollywood for its crassness, it is their church with all the Libby stars and artists and celebs. And Oscar ceremony is like open season on Square America.

    Stevens is blind to how much homos were responsible for the HIV mess since one of the status markers of progs has been to treat homos like saints, angels, and the rightful true aristocrats filled with so much creativity and sass.

    Part of her problem is the unbearable whiteness of being. Because she is white-bread and part of the disfavored race, she feels a need to attach herself to the Other to feel justified, redeemed, and revitalized. She is too ‘white’. (If someone is alt-right, he is ‘hu-white’, and that comes with real blood and soil vitamins, but libby-dibs don’t have that. They feel deficient in Vitamin Diversity.) It’s no wonder she connected with Oshima’s IN THE REALM OF THE SENSELESS. It was exotic, extreme, and demented. Her appreciation meant she wasn’t just some ‘white bread’ girl from the prairies.
    Some white libby-dibs even say white people have no culture. This is both self-debasement and boast.

    https://redice.tv/news/official-working-for-the-swedish-government-there-is-no-native-swedish-culture

    It is self-debasement for obvious reasons. I mean every people have a unique culture. For example, even if Swedish language is part of the larger Germanic family and even if Christianity came from elsewhere, the Swedes made it their own through practice. It’s like blacks took white music and made it their own, and whites took black music and made it their own. It’s like Japan took stuff from China and India(Buddhism) and molded it in their own way. A culture can be borrowed from another people and come to be owned by process of digestion and adaptation. Judaism itself is a creative patchwork of myths and stories Jews picked up from other tribes. Jews combined them with their own myth. But for some reason, some idiot Swedes and whites say they got no culture because much of Northern European Culture originated from the South in Greece or Near East.
    But if a people take a culture and mold it through their own history and experience, it becomes theirs. It’s like two people can become Muslims and have their own unique experience and understanding of the religion. In more recent times, so much of white music owes to black influence and so much of European pop owes to American influence. Still, every people do their own thing with it, and it becomes theirs in time.

    But in another way, this notion of whites having no culture is a kind of boast. It really means whites are beyond culture, an atavistic notion. After all, culture is specific, rooted, and limiting. It has bounds and identities. It has traditions and customs. All such serve as brakes on individual freedom. In contrast, a truly free and independent individual thinks rationally and arrives at his truth through intellect and agency. He doesn’t rely on received culture to tell him right or wrong.
    To be sure, not all beyond-culturists are interested in intellect or truth. Some are more into fun and sensations, and they want to find it wherever they can. So, they prefer to try all kinds of foods, listen to all kinds of music, have sex with all sorts of people to find the best and most fun. Culture is an obstacle to such freewheeling venture.

    So, when white libby-dibs say they got no culture, it’s both self-debasing humility and conceited boast. By praising OTHER cultures over white stuff, they wanna seem open-minded and appreciative. But then, by dispensing with any sense of obligation to their own race and culture, they see themselves as the most liberated and free individuals on earth unbound to any ‘essentialism’.

    Anyway, this sense of cultural blandess may be a bigger thing among Northern European types. They may feel more white-bread and lifeless because they are pale of skin, angular in features(without exotic features of swarthier southern Europeans), and more even in temperament. (Semites are naturally more expressive, and Negroes are wild. Asians and ‘Injuns’ may not be expressive but their silence may be mistaken for profound inscrutability.) We like to see movies about Italians like in GOODFELLAS because they got big colorful personalities. But most people aren’t keen on watching movies about nice Swedish-Americans. FARGO made it halfway interesting by presenting them as pathologically normal, always ready to say Yah and get along with neighbors.

    In a way, the bland white way proved to be the best formula for economic growth, social stability, political governance, and rule of law. After all, such people are most likely to be hardworking, mindful, conscientious, and neighborly. And usually polite and mannered. But it also means not-much-fun, not much eventfulness, not much in terms of crisis. So, northern European white bread bland types make the best bourgeois material and were behind the creation of US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. And social democracy in Sweden and Holland. And stability in post-war Germany. All very nice. But a well-oiled machine is predictable. It has its schedules, duties, and routines.
    That’s not very fun or entertaining. It’s no wonder Greeks invented drama. It’s all about crisis and even madness and violence and things falling apart. It’s like Kubrick films would be boring if not for the mounting crisis. There is a order that seems to be working according to plan, but things eventually begin to fall apart and blow up. Without HAL going nuts, 2001 would just be a bunch of guys doing a good job manning a spaceship. It’d be boring.
    Since northern European types became good at managing, organizing, coordinating, and maintaining, they became deficient in being fun by acting wild and crazy. Now, as long as their world was all they knew, they could carry on as usual. But once they became aware of the other world that came with temptations, they faced a crisis of culture. It’s like the community in BABETTE’S FEAST was doing just fine, and everyone had his or her place. But the French woman came with all that yummy stuff and changed the sensory perceptions of the townsfolk. (The temptations get even wilder in THE BOUNTY where the Hopkins character grows anxious as his men get too chummy with the natives like it’s Woodstock or something.)The northern-euro-community has much that is good and admirable. But it’s not a place for fun or relaxation. It’s a very mindful place where everyone has to be conscientious of his or her duties. And English societies were like this, at least in the movies and TV shows about the past. (Maybe Swedes in Sweden and Minnesota wanna bring more Africans as the fun-sun-people who will add glow and beat to cold dull Northern European life.)

    Northern Europeans were a very capable people who could build and manage things. But their commitment to order, harmony, and manners suppressed and discouraged the kind of wilder expressions that were more fun. Since music is more barbaric and images are more anarchic, Northern Europeans favored language as the favored expression. Germans were the exception with their great music, but even so, German Classical Music isn’t exactly fun or something you can dance to. Also, the Northern European use of language, esp among the Brits, was more mindful of the perimeters and barriers. It was like Equestrian event where horses have to jump over certain obstacles in pre-coordinated space. So even as Brits came up with lots of literary wits, the style felt hemmed and restricted. A freer use of English arose in America, and much of this owed to ignorance. Americans without much learning got creative, like in HUCKLEBERRY FINN. And Negroes added their lingo. And immigrants with their ways of talking English changed it even more. Oddly enough, the addition of more color to English also made it more bland, at least officially. Since America needed a standard English for All Americans of various origins, it had to be as generic as possible. (It’s like Mao tried to come up with more generic Chinese in the new China were everyone, not just the literati, was supposed to learn how to read and write.) As each ethnic group was mangling(and sometimes unwittingly enriching)English in their own way, it became more imperative to develop a generic American English that would be most easily accessible and applicable to all races and classes.
    Even so, various ethnic communities, Negroes, and hillbillies maintained their own way of talking. But white Anglos in the North and Midwest adopted the most generic kind of English. In a way, Hemingway, powerful prose-writer that he was, came up with a very straightforward kind of American English.
    Hemingway felt the anxiety of the Northern European. Feeling bland and generic, he needed to be doing manly stuff like hunting and watching bullfighting. He could never return to the Midwest. He had to see war, bloodied bulls, rhinos and elephants, and fishermen in Cuba.
    Some peoples feel colorful and saucy being what they are. Italians can stay in Italy and act like Fellini movie characters and feel alive. Greeks can throw fits in Greece and feel passion. Indeed, they might want to move to Northern European nations to get away from all that excitement with everyone throwing tantrums at the drop of a hat. In contrast, a bland Northern European can get bored with himself. Now, some Northern European types like the peace and order. But some, like Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Welles, and etc. needed excitement. And they relied on other cultures that seemed wilder and crazier and more alive. It’s like Sam Peckinpah felt more alive in the mythic past of his imagination or Mexico with its crime and corruption than in boring Northern California(when it was very white).

    If Hemingway sought his excitement in Spain, Africa, and Cuba, Fitzgerald sought his exoticism in Negroes. Not directly as his novels are about white folks with mostly white characters. Still, they take place during the Jazz Age when well-educated, affluent, and urbane white Americans were spending their time, energy, and money on ‘race’ music, though to be sure, a lot of Jazz Age music was a pastiche of lots of stuff and often not very jazzy.
    One difference between Anglo-Negro creative tension and Latin-Negro creative tension was the former resulted from starker constrasts. Unlike Anglos, the Latins already had experience with (northern) Africans and even had some African blood due to Moorish invasion. Also, Spanish and Portuguese cultures had color and flavor. Spanish had flamenco, some of it derived from Gypsies. And they had very exciting spicy music. They were flamboyant and expressive. And Portuguese were really just inferior kind of Spanish. So, when Latin flavor mixed with Afro-flavor, they understood each other better. They learned to tango very quickly. In contrast, Anglo music culture was less flavorful. Hillbilly music could be wild but it was more in the way of ‘doodah doodah’ like with the fellers in BLAZING SADDLES. So, the contrast between black and white was starker in American music. When we listen to Bossa Nova, Samba, or Salsa, the Latin flavor and African rhythm seems so well-synced. In contrast, there is more abrasive and subversive quality about American black music as its energies were so at odd with Anglo order and manners. Latins weren’t much for order and didn’t get Rule of Law, which is why Latin American needed strongmen and tyranny to keep the order.

    Anyway, even though black music/culture is at the periphery in Fitzgerald’s Jazz Age works, it does inform the charged atmosphere of the times. It is an enclosed world of white privilege but where the fun depends so much on the cultural creation of a more anarchic, animal, and instinctive force. And the white world remains both apart from it and drawn to it. For white privilege to remain, whites must be mindful, orderly, and duty-bound to work, class, and manners. And yet, it is the modern age where anything goes and individual must follow his whims. The ‘irresponsible’ rhythms of Jazz has a loosening effect on the listeners and dancers. And esp with the Prohibition, why not get intoxicated on music if alcohol wasn’t so readily available?

    Several authors have been designated as the Fitzgerald of our era. Bret Ellison and Jay McTierney. But the artist who comes closest to Fitz’s spirit is maybe the film-maker Whit Stillman(and not least because he’s as much a writer as director). Granted, nothing Stillman has done comes anywhere near GREAT GATSBY — and Stillman is too much of a moralist and some consider his sensibility closer to the early 19th century one of Jane Austen — , but like Fitzgerald, his films are acutely aware of the both the charm and deficiencies of Northern European types. LAST DAYS OF DISCO is his ‘Jazz Age’ movie. Just like Fitzgerald’s characters are very white, so are Stillman’s. And yet, the very-whites of Fitzgerald operate to the backdrop of the Jazz Age of black rhythms and sometimes Jewish gangsters. Similarly, Stillman has given us the whitest characters in movies since his METROPOLITAN. They are preppy or UHB. One cannot imagine whiter characters, and they don’t even try to be anything but white. Indeed, they seem unapologetically white. And yet, their story is set against the very gay-bohemian-black world of disco. Disco is their ‘jazz’. On the surface, it seems odd that such whitey-white characters who seem so preppy, well-educated, literary, and verbally-oriented spend so much time in a place of music, getting loose and funky, and weird. And yet, it makes sense. Precisely because they so deficient in color and sauce, they feel alive and thrive from the environment… of course in measured doses. They are not really OF the disco culture. The core of their lives revolve around business, government work, and etc. Even the playboy character who works in the disco club is kept around because he’s a good manager. They are the bourgeoisie even though they reject the term ‘yuppie’. Without such people, modern society would cease to function. They come to work everyday, they check the books, they keep the schedules, they enforce government rules, and etc. And yet, because their lives are so into bourgeois tasks and responsibilities, they can’t be wildly creative. They cannot let loose and really be free. For that, they must rely on others: homos, blacks, bohemians. Homo wildness would soon lead to HIV horror. Black wildness is much related to crime and chaos. And bohemian types thrive on subversion and transgression of all sorts. But precisely because they are so unbound to rules and regulations, they can be wildly creative and come up with something like disco. Like in GREAT GATSBY, there is the Jewish ‘gangster’ type in LAST DAYS in the figure of the club owner. He straddles both sides of the fence. He is a businessman and knows his job. But he also likes to play loose, cheating on taxes and dealing in drugs. And yet, that shadiness of Jews had a certain allure to more straight-laced Anglos. It’s like Kay in the novel of THE GODFATHER is turned on by Michael’s family of crime.

    Stillman is best at working in this Fitzgerald mode. (His Hemingwayean venture in Spain with BARCELONA just didn’t have the proper footwork. And his Jane Austen adaptation, though fine, is rather dull as it’s monochromatic.) Stillman is very good at presenting whiteness in contrast to a culture that is both opposite yet complementary on some level. Even though Josh(the DA guy) is a moralist(who defends the old-fashioned dog in LADY/TRAMP) whose worldview might seem at odds with the disco world of hedonism & even nihilism, the looseness of the disco world completes him in some way. It fills in the gaps(like what Rocky said he and Adrian fill in the gaps). At times, he seems a morose morbid type who recites hymns from memory, but he also wants to be a part of the larger exciting world, and he feels charged by the vibes of disco. It offers escape that he can’t get with anything else that brings himself closer to his gloomier and more sober side, like the long winters of Northern Europe. Disco is like artificial sunlight.
    Because the music is often in the background, we may notice it less than the characters and the conversations, but there is a strange chemistry and rebound between the very white talk and the very black music(even in the other joint after the gang gets kicked out of the disco club). Now, this has to be conscious on Stillman’s part. When I was young, most white kids listened to white rock , and they mostly hated it when I turned on Four Tops or the Supremes. Now, Stillman’s world is very much whiter than the one I knew, yet his elite or ex-elite white characters seem to have an easier rapport with certain kinds of black music. Indeed, the White Rockers associated with Disco Sucks is not very visible in LAST DAYS. We just see some walk by with Disco Sucks t-shirt, and they seem threatening to the movie’s vision of bliss. In a way, maybe elite whites are better-positioned to enjoy black music because they are separated from the black world, whereas the working class whites, feeling more competitive on a day-to-day and street-to-street level with blacks, tend to see black stuff as the Other to be avoided. Near the end of the movie, there’s a funny moment when Des(Eigeman) and Jimmy(the ad guy) are in the taxi to the airport. They are talking very-very white and discussing Shakespeare and ethics and using logic to make sense of things. Yet, the music playing is ska that is filled with carefree gibberish. The whiteness of the conversation and the blackness of the rhythm cannot be more at odds, and yet they fit together perfectly precisely because they are opposites. The anxiety of white mindfulness eased by black sense of devil-may-care.

    This use of black-music as a counterpoint to white bourgeois existence was used neatly in METROPOLITAN as well. It’s hard to think of anyone whiter, paler, and more bourgeois than Audrey the heroine. And yet her moment of melancholy is wonderfully conveyed by the “Dry Your Eyes”.

    It expresses the kind of feelings that are discouraged in the world of socialites and debutantes. It’s a place where one has to repress one’s true feelings — though she loves Tom, she never says so , and even when she’s hurt, she denies it — or one where wit(a kind of repression in its own right) is essential if one is to push the boundaries of propriety. Nick(Eigman)’s transgressions are tolerated because he keeps his form. He knows how the game is played.
    So, the piece of soul music fills in the emotions that are not allowed in her world. And in a way, it’s complementary because any good piece of music belongs in its own kind of aristocracy as talent is rare, and anything rare is a kind of a jewel.

    Anyway, this brings us back to Dana Stevens who is so very white. Indeed ‘nice lady’ is codeword for very white white woman. I’m sure she felt her very white-whiteness all her life, esp as she grew up in PC world where whiteness is suspect, like Ron Ronsenbaum freaking out about ‘white turkey meat’ and ‘white bread’, ironically in the way Hitler might have reacted to bagels and lox or matzaball soup.
    Given her bland whiteness, maybe she sought sustenance from Jewish culture. Jews got wit, Jews got wisdom(from Holocaust and all that), Jews got zaniness, Jews got larger personalities, like the Jewish woman in Woody Allen’s INTERIORS who livens up a dull wasp family like Sidney Poitier brought some joy to a convent full of nuns without sodapop to sip.

    So, how traumatic it must be for Stevens to discover that this Jewish World is filled with sleaze beyond anything she could imagine. Now, Audrey in METROPOLITAN was young and sheltered. I would think Stevens, being older and having worked in the cultural community for so long, would be a bit wiser. But, PC just created this massive bubble of the mind. An iron bubble.

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    @Anon

    Another enjoyable exploration by Priss Factor. Commenting so I can find the Whit Stillman exegeses in the future.

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    @Anon

    Disco was wildly popular in the U.S. for a period. It sparked what is probably the last great national dance craze, at least in white American culture. Certainly the Macarena or the revival of swing/salsa in the 90s don't compare.

    It was so overplayed that it has turned people off for generations. As if children were born sick of it through Lamarckian adaptation. White people turned on it first, and it was always more appealing to blacks and Hispanics. It should be, considering it's a mix of black funk and Latin American rhythms.

    But when it was ubiquitous, white people were the biggest audience. That's necessary in order for it to be the dominant subgenre of pop music, which it was. Same for hip-hop/r&b, which obviously appeals to blacks more than whites. But whites like it, too (unfortunately). Otherwise it wouldn't dominate, as it currently does. I can't tell you bow many young people have told me their favorite genres are simultaneously rap and country. It sounds weird, but it's the true.

    The white yuppies in Last Days of Disco are living in the last days of disco, naturally, so you'd think there'd be more of a backlash amongst them. But the characters were pre-selected as sufferers of discomania. I mean, that's the subject of the movie: people still committed to disco in its last days. Just as Metropolitan was about people who still went to debutante balls after they went out of fashion.

    As for Audrey in Metropolitan, plenty of whites still listen to soul music, which speaks to them much the same way regular rock does, only with more emphatically "soulful" romantic emotions. It's more naturally appealing to people who come from a culture of gospel music, maybe, but it's been part of mainstream white culture for decades.

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    @Anon

    If it wasn't clear, I should add that the culture being "opposite yet complimentary" to whiteness isn't the point of those movies, near as I can tell. You could think of them entirely in terms of white society if you wanted. The characters are both in and out of touch with the rougher, lower culture surrounding them. Those lower parts may be "more ethnic," as they say, or simply driven in origin from alien ethnicities. However, nothing's to say they couldn't be getting down to Irish folk music, if that happened to be sweeping the nation.

    Just so happens pop music is largely black these and those days. If you want whiteness, you have to tease it out from the background. If Last Days of Disco took place in the Vienna of 1790, it wouldn't be called the Last Days of the Waltz, because obviously that craze lasted for a while. But maybe it could be called Days of Waltz and have a similar feel to it. They wouldn't be part of a popular movement that's gone with the wind, but, you know, it could be about growing up and out of the youthful ritual of clubbing.

    Point is, that was white music, and it could serve the very same social purpose for them.

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    @Anon

    And yet the present scandal is simply a modern-day version of Droit de Seigneur or Jus Primae Noctis--as white European a custom as you can find. If you're a young, attractive actor or actress, you're just another peasant and ought to be 'Umbly grateful when your Betters deign to exploit you.

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    @Anon

    Which Jane Austen movie? Some of them are absolutely horrible.

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    @Anon


    In contrast, a truly free and independent individual thinks rationally and arrives at his truth through intellect and agency. He doesn’t rely on received culture to tell him right or wrong.
     
    Not coincidentally also best suited (in their own minds at least) to rule over the culturally-bound who will inevitably favor their own. Who better to rule than those who have no own?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMSLM33PQDM
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    @Anon

    Wow, Priss, you mis-name both of the recent authors you mention (but I have never read anything by the Jay one, so can't recall his correct last name, only that the one you are citing is not correct).

    Otherwise, enjoyable and informative rant.

    Except that you are also getting IN THE REALM OF THE SENSELESS wrong, by intention, possibly, it is a good line if so, but it is also a good film, and neither your error nor the correct title in English is corresponding to the title in Japanese. Title of an old song by Wanda Jackson does, a little.

  226. @Buzz Mohawk

    ...like pieces of a broken mirror being glued back in place, the cracks now forever visible.
     
    More broken glass! What is it about that theme that has such appeal to these women?

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    Just run an image search for book covers and broken mirrors. It’s pretty much the default title for (a) pop-psychology self-help pablum and (b) bodice-rippers and other turgid fictions constructed solely for the “older women’s” market. Big Film is pretty much of a piece with that sort of stuff.

    Which leads us to the question; why does the idea of one’s admired and perpetually-checked image being disrupted have such an impact and cause so much angst? (Women are entirely subjective in their thought-processes; all the mirrors in the world contain the portrait of just one special person).

    Mirrors have been a prime signifier of female identity (in Europe) since the late bronze age at least, goddesses carry them, and so do tombstones, even among remote savages (Picts cough cough). Hard to smash a cast bronze one, mind you. An acid attack would do the trick.

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    Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest one of all?

  227. @Cagey Beast
    OT: Another Russian-financed social media false flag operation? Nope, she the actual Deputy Secretary General of NATO:

    https://twitter.com/Gottemoeller/status/864874129597640704

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    Please sir may we be excused? Chuck us out of this awful expensive club, into the briar patch. You can have Trident and any other white elephants. Being invaded by the Ivans is probably too good for us, in our present condition.

  228. @Olympus
    Isn't it just the height of hypocrisy that Hollywood made that movie about sexual abuse in the Catholic church? They should've made a movie about their own sexual abuse. Maybe that'll be Miramax's next movie. Who will play Harvey?

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    “Who will play Harvey?”
    Leonardo di Caprio, of course! And the perverted producer will be a member of the infamous “Harvard – Wasp Hollywood mafia”.

  229. A rich and very powerful Jew finds that other rich and very powerful Jews are turning on him and trying to destroy him with ad hominem insinuations. Ouch … the stuff they are trying to “hang” on Harvey Weinstein goes back 30 years.

    As the narrative goes, everyone who was anyone in Hollywood allegedly knew about Harvey’s crude approach to women back in the 1980s. But everyone (including the victimized women) were then apparently happy to ignore it as long as it furthered their cinematic careers and/or made them money. If one can believe the ladies, this includes “rape” … or, as they used to call it, “the casting couch”.

    I’ve run into political sea changes like this before, especially in the Third World. When something like this happens (that is, all of a sudden power no longer trumps law and/or minimal standards of decency), there is something wrong with the alleged perpetrator’s politics. It has nothing to do with what Harvey Weinstein allegedly did or did not do.

    Harvey very clearly pissed off a very powerful person or persons in the Hollywood Jewish community. This person or persons have put together a lynch mob to destroy him. It’s orchestrated via unproven leaks and innuendo, including claims that, if true, would/should have been referred to the prosecuting attorney decades ago. They were not … go figure.

    BTW: Isn’t Gwyneth Paltrow infamous for saying that men are easy to control if a woman is willing to spend time on her knees? Is this an actresses’ version of “the casting couch”?

    https://hollywoodlife.com/2015/01/14/gwyneth-paltrow-oral-sex-blow-jobs-interview/

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  230. @AM
    @Rosamond Vincy


    The merchant was the one who *offered* that deal, as collateral, when Shylock didn’t want to loan him anything at all.
    There are actually no heroes in that play. They’re all pretty horrible.
     
    And what serious banker takes that as collateral? It's not that Shylock is simply greedy, he's several measures worse. He's vindictive. He wants the right to do something to Antonio. If Antonio doesn't get his money, he wins - his friend is left poor and without his girl. If Antonio's fleet is sunk and he wins by the right to kill Antonio.

    Why isn't Bassanio's offer of double his money redeeming? Why doesn't Shylock take it? Was he about money or something far worse?

    An honest banker would have charged interest and/or refused a pound of flesh or a least repented and taken the money. That was the point. Portia was absolutely correct that Shylock from the very beginning was out for blood for Antonio's "crime" of honestly pointing out exactly what Shylock did in the course of the play. Shylock got off very easy at the end.

    Basically, I'm not sure how you get everyone is horrid in the play unless there's a tendency to write off all wealthy people are horrible. I guess I'll need a better explanation of it from your POV.

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    Oh, Shylock’s vindictive alright. And he also seems to mourn his lost ducats as much as if not more than his lost daughter. No hero there.

    Antonio, however, think he OWES him loans no matter how many times he is rude to him or even spits on him; he specifically tempts him with the possibility of revenge if he defaults. Even by Renaissance standards, that’s both leading another into sin and *tacky*. If someone is that far beyond the pale, one does not do business with him. Certainly, one should not suggest sins for him to commit on top of whichever ones he has already perpetrated.

    Portia’s “court” is completely illegal, its verdict invalid, as she is not only not an appointed judge, but female into the bargain. In addition to being an imposter, she turns baptism into a punishment to be imposed, not a Sacrament to be sought. If justice can’t be had except by breaking the law, and conversion but by coercion, what does that say about the law and conversion? Christians are taught to turn the other cheek; shouldn’t they know _better_ than Shylock about vengeance, and seeking an eye for an eye? Why are they giving Christianity a bad name, instead of setting an example?

    Rather than a promise such as Juliet’s that “all my fortunes [meaning future, luck] at thy foot I’ll lay, and follow thee, my lord, throughout the world,” Jessica’s “balcony” scene involves stealing an actual fortune: “gilding herself with more ducats” and swiping, then fencing, her parents’ engagement ring. Her new “friends” praise her Theft and failure to Honor her Father as proof that she is “a gentle, and no Jew,” and reassure her that her mother may have stepped out on Shylock (Adultery)– three commandments broken right there, in the name of Gentle Jesus.

    As for her marriage, the beautiful poetry of “On such a night did Thisbe fearfully o’ertrip the dew,” with its list of daughters bravely defying a father’s ban on True Love, devolves into a swipe at Jessica’s larceny, and a hint that even if her husband would have married her without the money, just for her beauty, he neither trusts not respects her. That marriage may last about five minutes before the mutual reproaches and recriminations start.

    Yes, they’re all horrible people.

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    @Rosamond Vincy

    You skipped Bassanio.

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  231. @Anon
    Stevens is someone who blames Reagan-Era Indifference for the HIV disaster in the homo community.

    PC as status marker blinds many eyes.

    It's like the reluctance among Catholics to believe in abusive priests. Why? After all, priests are supposed to be selfless holy men? Could they really do such a thing?

    And so many people, even intelligent ones, simply wouldn't believe that Lenin and Stalin could do the things they did. After all, the communist revolution was about love and progress.

    And Hollywood has become like the new church for Progs. Even as culture critics like Stevens like to poke fun at Hollywood for its crassness, it is their church with all the Libby stars and artists and celebs. And Oscar ceremony is like open season on Square America.

    Stevens is blind to how much homos were responsible for the HIV mess since one of the status markers of progs has been to treat homos like saints, angels, and the rightful true aristocrats filled with so much creativity and sass.

    Part of her problem is the unbearable whiteness of being. Because she is white-bread and part of the disfavored race, she feels a need to attach herself to the Other to feel justified, redeemed, and revitalized. She is too 'white'. (If someone is alt-right, he is 'hu-white', and that comes with real blood and soil vitamins, but libby-dibs don't have that. They feel deficient in Vitamin Diversity.) It's no wonder she connected with Oshima's IN THE REALM OF THE SENSELESS. It was exotic, extreme, and demented. Her appreciation meant she wasn't just some 'white bread' girl from the prairies.
    Some white libby-dibs even say white people have no culture. This is both self-debasement and boast.

    https://redice.tv/news/official-working-for-the-swedish-government-there-is-no-native-swedish-culture

    It is self-debasement for obvious reasons. I mean every people have a unique culture. For example, even if Swedish language is part of the larger Germanic family and even if Christianity came from elsewhere, the Swedes made it their own through practice. It's like blacks took white music and made it their own, and whites took black music and made it their own. It's like Japan took stuff from China and India(Buddhism) and molded it in their own way. A culture can be borrowed from another people and come to be owned by process of digestion and adaptation. Judaism itself is a creative patchwork of myths and stories Jews picked up from other tribes. Jews combined them with their own myth. But for some reason, some idiot Swedes and whites say they got no culture because much of Northern European Culture originated from the South in Greece or Near East.
    But if a people take a culture and mold it through their own history and experience, it becomes theirs. It's like two people can become Muslims and have their own unique experience and understanding of the religion. In more recent times, so much of white music owes to black influence and so much of European pop owes to American influence. Still, every people do their own thing with it, and it becomes theirs in time.

    But in another way, this notion of whites having no culture is a kind of boast. It really means whites are beyond culture, an atavistic notion. After all, culture is specific, rooted, and limiting. It has bounds and identities. It has traditions and customs. All such serve as brakes on individual freedom. In contrast, a truly free and independent individual thinks rationally and arrives at his truth through intellect and agency. He doesn't rely on received culture to tell him right or wrong.
    To be sure, not all beyond-culturists are interested in intellect or truth. Some are more into fun and sensations, and they want to find it wherever they can. So, they prefer to try all kinds of foods, listen to all kinds of music, have sex with all sorts of people to find the best and most fun. Culture is an obstacle to such freewheeling venture.

    So, when white libby-dibs say they got no culture, it's both self-debasing humility and conceited boast. By praising OTHER cultures over white stuff, they wanna seem open-minded and appreciative. But then, by dispensing with any sense of obligation to their own race and culture, they see themselves as the most liberated and free individuals on earth unbound to any 'essentialism'.

    Anyway, this sense of cultural blandess may be a bigger thing among Northern European types. They may feel more white-bread and lifeless because they are pale of skin, angular in features(without exotic features of swarthier southern Europeans), and more even in temperament. (Semites are naturally more expressive, and Negroes are wild. Asians and 'Injuns' may not be expressive but their silence may be mistaken for profound inscrutability.) We like to see movies about Italians like in GOODFELLAS because they got big colorful personalities. But most people aren't keen on watching movies about nice Swedish-Americans. FARGO made it halfway interesting by presenting them as pathologically normal, always ready to say Yah and get along with neighbors.

    In a way, the bland white way proved to be the best formula for economic growth, social stability, political governance, and rule of law. After all, such people are most likely to be hardworking, mindful, conscientious, and neighborly. And usually polite and mannered. But it also means not-much-fun, not much eventfulness, not much in terms of crisis. So, northern European white bread bland types make the best bourgeois material and were behind the creation of US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. And social democracy in Sweden and Holland. And stability in post-war Germany. All very nice. But a well-oiled machine is predictable. It has its schedules, duties, and routines.
    That's not very fun or entertaining. It's no wonder Greeks invented drama. It's all about crisis and even madness and violence and things falling apart. It's like Kubrick films would be boring if not for the mounting crisis. There is a order that seems to be working according to plan, but things eventually begin to fall apart and blow up. Without HAL going nuts, 2001 would just be a bunch of guys doing a good job manning a spaceship. It'd be boring.
    Since northern European types became good at managing, organizing, coordinating, and maintaining, they became deficient in being fun by acting wild and crazy. Now, as long as their world was all they knew, they could carry on as usual. But once they became aware of the other world that came with temptations, they faced a crisis of culture. It's like the community in BABETTE'S FEAST was doing just fine, and everyone had his or her place. But the French woman came with all that yummy stuff and changed the sensory perceptions of the townsfolk. (The temptations get even wilder in THE BOUNTY where the Hopkins character grows anxious as his men get too chummy with the natives like it's Woodstock or something.)The northern-euro-community has much that is good and admirable. But it's not a place for fun or relaxation. It's a very mindful place where everyone has to be conscientious of his or her duties. And English societies were like this, at least in the movies and TV shows about the past. (Maybe Swedes in Sweden and Minnesota wanna bring more Africans as the fun-sun-people who will add glow and beat to cold dull Northern European life.)

    Northern Europeans were a very capable people who could build and manage things. But their commitment to order, harmony, and manners suppressed and discouraged the kind of wilder expressions that were more fun. Since music is more barbaric and images are more anarchic, Northern Europeans favored language as the favored expression. Germans were the exception with their great music, but even so, German Classical Music isn't exactly fun or something you can dance to. Also, the Northern European use of language, esp among the Brits, was more mindful of the perimeters and barriers. It was like Equestrian event where horses have to jump over certain obstacles in pre-coordinated space. So even as Brits came up with lots of literary wits, the style felt hemmed and restricted. A freer use of English arose in America, and much of this owed to ignorance. Americans without much learning got creative, like in HUCKLEBERRY FINN. And Negroes added their lingo. And immigrants with their ways of talking English changed it even more. Oddly enough, the addition of more color to English also made it more bland, at least officially. Since America needed a standard English for All Americans of various origins, it had to be as generic as possible. (It's like Mao tried to come up with more generic Chinese in the new China were everyone, not just the literati, was supposed to learn how to read and write.) As each ethnic group was mangling(and sometimes unwittingly enriching)English in their own way, it became more imperative to develop a generic American English that would be most easily accessible and applicable to all races and classes.
    Even so, various ethnic communities, Negroes, and hillbillies maintained their own way of talking. But white Anglos in the North and Midwest adopted the most generic kind of English. In a way, Hemingway, powerful prose-writer that he was, came up with a very straightforward kind of American English.
    Hemingway felt the anxiety of the Northern European. Feeling bland and generic, he needed to be doing manly stuff like hunting and watching bullfighting. He could never return to the Midwest. He had to see war, bloodied bulls, rhinos and elephants, and fishermen in Cuba.
    Some peoples feel colorful and saucy being what they are. Italians can stay in Italy and act like Fellini movie characters and feel alive. Greeks can throw fits in Greece and feel passion. Indeed, they might want to move to Northern European nations to get away from all that excitement with everyone throwing tantrums at the drop of a hat. In contrast, a bland Northern European can get bored with himself. Now, some Northern European types like the peace and order. But some, like Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Welles, and etc. needed excitement. And they relied on other cultures that seemed wilder and crazier and more alive. It's like Sam Peckinpah felt more alive in the mythic past of his imagination or Mexico with its crime and corruption than in boring Northern California(when it was very white).

    If Hemingway sought his excitement in Spain, Africa, and Cuba, Fitzgerald sought his exoticism in Negroes. Not directly as his novels are about white folks with mostly white characters. Still, they take place during the Jazz Age when well-educated, affluent, and urbane white Americans were spending their time, energy, and money on 'race' music, though to be sure, a lot of Jazz Age music was a pastiche of lots of stuff and often not very jazzy.
    One difference between Anglo-Negro creative tension and Latin-Negro creative tension was the former resulted from starker constrasts. Unlike Anglos, the Latins already had experience with (northern) Africans and even had some African blood due to Moorish invasion. Also, Spanish and Portuguese cultures had color and flavor. Spanish had flamenco, some of it derived from Gypsies. And they had very exciting spicy music. They were flamboyant and expressive. And Portuguese were really just inferior kind of Spanish. So, when Latin flavor mixed with Afro-flavor, they understood each other better. They learned to tango very quickly. In contrast, Anglo music culture was less flavorful. Hillbilly music could be wild but it was more in the way of 'doodah doodah' like with the fellers in BLAZING SADDLES. So, the contrast between black and white was starker in American music. When we listen to Bossa Nova, Samba, or Salsa, the Latin flavor and African rhythm seems so well-synced. In contrast, there is more abrasive and subversive quality about American black music as its energies were so at odd with Anglo order and manners. Latins weren't much for order and didn't get Rule of Law, which is why Latin American needed strongmen and tyranny to keep the order.

    Anyway, even though black music/culture is at the periphery in Fitzgerald's Jazz Age works, it does inform the charged atmosphere of the times. It is an enclosed world of white privilege but where the fun depends so much on the cultural creation of a more anarchic, animal, and instinctive force. And the white world remains both apart from it and drawn to it. For white privilege to remain, whites must be mindful, orderly, and duty-bound to work, class, and manners. And yet, it is the modern age where anything goes and individual must follow his whims. The 'irresponsible' rhythms of Jazz has a loosening effect on the listeners and dancers. And esp with the Prohibition, why not get intoxicated on music if alcohol wasn't so readily available?

    Several authors have been designated as the Fitzgerald of our era. Bret Ellison and Jay McTierney. But the artist who comes closest to Fitz's spirit is maybe the film-maker Whit Stillman(and not least because he's as much a writer as director). Granted, nothing Stillman has done comes anywhere near GREAT GATSBY -- and Stillman is too much of a moralist and some consider his sensibility closer to the early 19th century one of Jane Austen -- , but like Fitzgerald, his films are acutely aware of the both the charm and deficiencies of Northern European types. LAST DAYS OF DISCO is his 'Jazz Age' movie. Just like Fitzgerald's characters are very white, so are Stillman's. And yet, the very-whites of Fitzgerald operate to the backdrop of the Jazz Age of black rhythms and sometimes Jewish gangsters. Similarly, Stillman has given us the whitest characters in movies since his METROPOLITAN. They are preppy or UHB. One cannot imagine whiter characters, and they don't even try to be anything but white. Indeed, they seem unapologetically white. And yet, their story is set against the very gay-bohemian-black world of disco. Disco is their 'jazz'. On the surface, it seems odd that such whitey-white characters who seem so preppy, well-educated, literary, and verbally-oriented spend so much time in a place of music, getting loose and funky, and weird. And yet, it makes sense. Precisely because they so deficient in color and sauce, they feel alive and thrive from the environment... of course in measured doses. They are not really OF the disco culture. The core of their lives revolve around business, government work, and etc. Even the playboy character who works in the disco club is kept around because he's a good manager. They are the bourgeoisie even though they reject the term 'yuppie'. Without such people, modern society would cease to function. They come to work everyday, they check the books, they keep the schedules, they enforce government rules, and etc. And yet, because their lives are so into bourgeois tasks and responsibilities, they can't be wildly creative. They cannot let loose and really be free. For that, they must rely on others: homos, blacks, bohemians. Homo wildness would soon lead to HIV horror. Black wildness is much related to crime and chaos. And bohemian types thrive on subversion and transgression of all sorts. But precisely because they are so unbound to rules and regulations, they can be wildly creative and come up with something like disco. Like in GREAT GATSBY, there is the Jewish 'gangster' type in LAST DAYS in the figure of the club owner. He straddles both sides of the fence. He is a businessman and knows his job. But he also likes to play loose, cheating on taxes and dealing in drugs. And yet, that shadiness of Jews had a certain allure to more straight-laced Anglos. It's like Kay in the novel of THE GODFATHER is turned on by Michael's family of crime.

    Stillman is best at working in this Fitzgerald mode. (His Hemingwayean venture in Spain with BARCELONA just didn't have the proper footwork. And his Jane Austen adaptation, though fine, is rather dull as it's monochromatic.) Stillman is very good at presenting whiteness in contrast to a culture that is both opposite yet complementary on some level. Even though Josh(the DA guy) is a moralist(who defends the old-fashioned dog in LADY/TRAMP) whose worldview might seem at odds with the disco world of hedonism & even nihilism, the looseness of the disco world completes him in some way. It fills in the gaps(like what Rocky said he and Adrian fill in the gaps). At times, he seems a morose morbid type who recites hymns from memory, but he also wants to be a part of the larger exciting world, and he feels charged by the vibes of disco. It offers escape that he can't get with anything else that brings himself closer to his gloomier and more sober side, like the long winters of Northern Europe. Disco is like artificial sunlight.
    Because the music is often in the background, we may notice it less than the characters and the conversations, but there is a strange chemistry and rebound between the very white talk and the very black music(even in the other joint after the gang gets kicked out of the disco club). Now, this has to be conscious on Stillman's part. When I was young, most white kids listened to white rock , and they mostly hated it when I turned on Four Tops or the Supremes. Now, Stillman's world is very much whiter than the one I knew, yet his elite or ex-elite white characters seem to have an easier rapport with certain kinds of black music. Indeed, the White Rockers associated with Disco Sucks is not very visible in LAST DAYS. We just see some walk by with Disco Sucks t-shirt, and they seem threatening to the movie's vision of bliss. In a way, maybe elite whites are better-positioned to enjoy black music because they are separated from the black world, whereas the working class whites, feeling more competitive on a day-to-day and street-to-street level with blacks, tend to see black stuff as the Other to be avoided. Near the end of the movie, there's a funny moment when Des(Eigeman) and Jimmy(the ad guy) are in the taxi to the airport. They are talking very-very white and discussing Shakespeare and ethics and using logic to make sense of things. Yet, the music playing is ska that is filled with carefree gibberish. The whiteness of the conversation and the blackness of the rhythm cannot be more at odds, and yet they fit together perfectly precisely because they are opposites. The anxiety of white mindfulness eased by black sense of devil-may-care.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH9nqX9sYUs

    This use of black-music as a counterpoint to white bourgeois existence was used neatly in METROPOLITAN as well. It's hard to think of anyone whiter, paler, and more bourgeois than Audrey the heroine. And yet her moment of melancholy is wonderfully conveyed by the "Dry Your Eyes".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrqUhOqEmhc

    It expresses the kind of feelings that are discouraged in the world of socialites and debutantes. It's a place where one has to repress one's true feelings -- though she loves Tom, she never says so , and even when she's hurt, she denies it -- or one where wit(a kind of repression in its own right) is essential if one is to push the boundaries of propriety. Nick(Eigman)'s transgressions are tolerated because he keeps his form. He knows how the game is played.
    So, the piece of soul music fills in the emotions that are not allowed in her world. And in a way, it's complementary because any good piece of music belongs in its own kind of aristocracy as talent is rare, and anything rare is a kind of a jewel.

    Anyway, this brings us back to Dana Stevens who is so very white. Indeed 'nice lady' is codeword for very white white woman. I'm sure she felt her very white-whiteness all her life, esp as she grew up in PC world where whiteness is suspect, like Ron Ronsenbaum freaking out about 'white turkey meat' and 'white bread', ironically in the way Hitler might have reacted to bagels and lox or matzaball soup.
    Given her bland whiteness, maybe she sought sustenance from Jewish culture. Jews got wit, Jews got wisdom(from Holocaust and all that), Jews got zaniness, Jews got larger personalities, like the Jewish woman in Woody Allen's INTERIORS who livens up a dull wasp family like Sidney Poitier brought some joy to a convent full of nuns without sodapop to sip.

    So, how traumatic it must be for Stevens to discover that this Jewish World is filled with sleaze beyond anything she could imagine. Now, Audrey in METROPOLITAN was young and sheltered. I would think Stevens, being older and having worked in the cultural community for so long, would be a bit wiser. But, PC just created this massive bubble of the mind. An iron bubble.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @guest, @Rosamond Vincy, @Alden, @Desiderius, @Che Guava

    Another enjoyable exploration by Priss Factor. Commenting so I can find the Whit Stillman exegeses in the future.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I wonder if Priss Factory has ever met an actual Englishman (or Scotsman for that matter). Nothing bland, dull, or boring about these Northern Europeans. Yes, the original "Anglos" were and are still to a large degree "flamboyant, expressive" and witty. Vibrant if you wish. Just as old-school Wasps used to be, before they entered terminal decline sometime during the last two generations, perhaps due to Jewish competition and alcoholism. (BTW, Catholic Germans, Belgians, Dutchmen, and Danes are also fun to be around. Seriously, boredom is a tropical thing. The closer to the Equator, the duller the people. I've been around).
    I mean, Priss ought to stop seeing the world exclusively through the lens of Hollywood.

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  232. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Anon

    Another enjoyable exploration by Priss Factor. Commenting so I can find the Whit Stillman exegeses in the future.

    Replies: @BB753

    I wonder if Priss Factory has ever met an actual Englishman (or Scotsman for that matter). Nothing bland, dull, or boring about these Northern Europeans. Yes, the original “Anglos” were and are still to a large degree “flamboyant, expressive” and witty. Vibrant if you wish. Just as old-school Wasps used to be, before they entered terminal decline sometime during the last two generations, perhaps due to Jewish competition and alcoholism. (BTW, Catholic Germans, Belgians, Dutchmen, and Danes are also fun to be around. Seriously, boredom is a tropical thing. The closer to the Equator, the duller the people. I’ve been around).
    I mean, Priss ought to stop seeing the world exclusively through the lens of Hollywood.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @BB753

    So that’s why you initially left a cryptic “Disagree” after Priss’s comment. If someone types 3500 words worth responding to in any way, a few words of your own could be edifying as to what you disagree with.

    Tom Townsend, Metropolitan:


    If someone takes the trouble to write you a
    substantial letter, you do not throw it out.
     
    All kidding aside— Priss eloquently described the zeitgeist in much of ‘whitebread’ upper middle-class contemporary postwar America. You switched the subject to (geographical) Northern Europeans. Priss’s observations need not by countered by a heated defense of Britons and Teutons—his arch descriptions of ‘boring’ competence are actually sly compliments in contrast with the hinted abyss of The Rest.

    He compellingly explains the caveat that in at least some of the “UHB” class there’s a type of ‘elite’ white psyche that seeks exotic novelty that can possibly invite chaos—and which may actually be shocked when the chaos gets real.
  233. How strange.

    Son of Mia Farrow and Woody Allen(or Frank Sintra) attacks Harvey Weinstein who is defended by Woody Allen.

  234. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Che Guava
    @Anonymous

    Great post, and nice joke about junkie king Richards, even better because it is true (as in use of the tuning on six-stringed, was checking).

    Also informing, was not knowing of it before, it sounds like a great idea, a Russian entrepreneur must starting mass-production ASAP. Serious guitarists (am not, can play a little rhythm, a couple of picking patterns never heard elsewhere, messy feedback lead, but have known several who are great), they are all loving exotic types, so it would being a hit, at least as much as or more than, the headless Steinberg types.

    Am curious, with such an inoccuous and informative post, why you are feeling the need to posting as Anonymous?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Keith was not the pioneer of playing in open tunings by any means-many black country-bluesmen did so exclusively or on occasion, it is thought to derive from Hawaiian slack key and steel playing-but his use of them was particularly blatant and made for some very distinct riffs that can’t quite be duplicated in standard tunings, unless you are an octopus. He used a few, but is most noted for using Open G with the low D string simply removed. He went in the opposite direction from the Russians in that way.

    Solo acoustic steel string guitarists like John Fahey and Leo Kottke over here and Bert Jansch in the UK were doing this too. If there was a pioneer of this in pop music per se, it was probably Joni Mitchell. She was physically limited as a player from a polio attack but used a plethora of different tunings to enable her to play some very effective parts.

    Great post, and nice joke about junkie king Richards, even better because it is true (as in use of the tuning on six-stringed, was checking).

    Also informing, was not knowing of it before, it sounds like a great idea, a Russian entrepreneur must starting mass-production ASAP. Serious guitarists (am not, can play a little rhythm, a couple of picking patterns never heard elsewhere, messy feedback lead, but have known several who are great), they are all loving exotic types, so it would being a hit, at least as much as or more than, the headless Steinberg types.

    “never heard elsewhere” reminds me of the famous commentary :

    At any rate, if you want a semistrunka without commissioning a custom build:
    https://doffguitar.com/product-category/gitary/

    Am curious, with such an inoccuous and informative post, why you are feeling the need to posting as Anonymous?

    It’s a dangerous world out there.

  235. @Rosamond Vincy
    @AM

    Oh, Shylock's vindictive alright. And he also seems to mourn his lost ducats as much as if not more than his lost daughter. No hero there.

    Antonio, however, think he OWES him loans no matter how many times he is rude to him or even spits on him; he specifically tempts him with the possibility of revenge if he defaults. Even by Renaissance standards, that's both leading another into sin and *tacky*. If someone is that far beyond the pale, one does not do business with him. Certainly, one should not suggest sins for him to commit on top of whichever ones he has already perpetrated.

    Portia's "court" is completely illegal, its verdict invalid, as she is not only not an appointed judge, but female into the bargain. In addition to being an imposter, she turns baptism into a punishment to be imposed, not a Sacrament to be sought. If justice can't be had except by breaking the law, and conversion but by coercion, what does that say about the law and conversion? Christians are taught to turn the other cheek; shouldn't they know _better_ than Shylock about vengeance, and seeking an eye for an eye? Why are they giving Christianity a bad name, instead of setting an example?

    Rather than a promise such as Juliet's that "all my fortunes [meaning future, luck] at thy foot I'll lay, and follow thee, my lord, throughout the world," Jessica's "balcony" scene involves stealing an actual fortune: "gilding herself with more ducats" and swiping, then fencing, her parents' engagement ring. Her new "friends" praise her Theft and failure to Honor her Father as proof that she is "a gentle, and no Jew," and reassure her that her mother may have stepped out on Shylock (Adultery)-- three commandments broken right there, in the name of Gentle Jesus.

    As for her marriage, the beautiful poetry of "On such a night did Thisbe fearfully o'ertrip the dew," with its list of daughters bravely defying a father's ban on True Love, devolves into a swipe at Jessica's larceny, and a hint that even if her husband would have married her without the money, just for her beauty, he neither trusts not respects her. That marriage may last about five minutes before the mutual reproaches and recriminations start.

    Yes, they're all horrible people.

    Replies: @Anon

    You skipped Bassanio.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Anon

    Got deadlines, will get to him later.

  236. @Anon
    Stevens is someone who blames Reagan-Era Indifference for the HIV disaster in the homo community.

    PC as status marker blinds many eyes.

    It's like the reluctance among Catholics to believe in abusive priests. Why? After all, priests are supposed to be selfless holy men? Could they really do such a thing?

    And so many people, even intelligent ones, simply wouldn't believe that Lenin and Stalin could do the things they did. After all, the communist revolution was about love and progress.

    And Hollywood has become like the new church for Progs. Even as culture critics like Stevens like to poke fun at Hollywood for its crassness, it is their church with all the Libby stars and artists and celebs. And Oscar ceremony is like open season on Square America.

    Stevens is blind to how much homos were responsible for the HIV mess since one of the status markers of progs has been to treat homos like saints, angels, and the rightful true aristocrats filled with so much creativity and sass.

    Part of her problem is the unbearable whiteness of being. Because she is white-bread and part of the disfavored race, she feels a need to attach herself to the Other to feel justified, redeemed, and revitalized. She is too 'white'. (If someone is alt-right, he is 'hu-white', and that comes with real blood and soil vitamins, but libby-dibs don't have that. They feel deficient in Vitamin Diversity.) It's no wonder she connected with Oshima's IN THE REALM OF THE SENSELESS. It was exotic, extreme, and demented. Her appreciation meant she wasn't just some 'white bread' girl from the prairies.
    Some white libby-dibs even say white people have no culture. This is both self-debasement and boast.

    https://redice.tv/news/official-working-for-the-swedish-government-there-is-no-native-swedish-culture

    It is self-debasement for obvious reasons. I mean every people have a unique culture. For example, even if Swedish language is part of the larger Germanic family and even if Christianity came from elsewhere, the Swedes made it their own through practice. It's like blacks took white music and made it their own, and whites took black music and made it their own. It's like Japan took stuff from China and India(Buddhism) and molded it in their own way. A culture can be borrowed from another people and come to be owned by process of digestion and adaptation. Judaism itself is a creative patchwork of myths and stories Jews picked up from other tribes. Jews combined them with their own myth. But for some reason, some idiot Swedes and whites say they got no culture because much of Northern European Culture originated from the South in Greece or Near East.
    But if a people take a culture and mold it through their own history and experience, it becomes theirs. It's like two people can become Muslims and have their own unique experience and understanding of the religion. In more recent times, so much of white music owes to black influence and so much of European pop owes to American influence. Still, every people do their own thing with it, and it becomes theirs in time.

    But in another way, this notion of whites having no culture is a kind of boast. It really means whites are beyond culture, an atavistic notion. After all, culture is specific, rooted, and limiting. It has bounds and identities. It has traditions and customs. All such serve as brakes on individual freedom. In contrast, a truly free and independent individual thinks rationally and arrives at his truth through intellect and agency. He doesn't rely on received culture to tell him right or wrong.
    To be sure, not all beyond-culturists are interested in intellect or truth. Some are more into fun and sensations, and they want to find it wherever they can. So, they prefer to try all kinds of foods, listen to all kinds of music, have sex with all sorts of people to find the best and most fun. Culture is an obstacle to such freewheeling venture.

    So, when white libby-dibs say they got no culture, it's both self-debasing humility and conceited boast. By praising OTHER cultures over white stuff, they wanna seem open-minded and appreciative. But then, by dispensing with any sense of obligation to their own race and culture, they see themselves as the most liberated and free individuals on earth unbound to any 'essentialism'.

    Anyway, this sense of cultural blandess may be a bigger thing among Northern European types. They may feel more white-bread and lifeless because they are pale of skin, angular in features(without exotic features of swarthier southern Europeans), and more even in temperament. (Semites are naturally more expressive, and Negroes are wild. Asians and 'Injuns' may not be expressive but their silence may be mistaken for profound inscrutability.) We like to see movies about Italians like in GOODFELLAS because they got big colorful personalities. But most people aren't keen on watching movies about nice Swedish-Americans. FARGO made it halfway interesting by presenting them as pathologically normal, always ready to say Yah and get along with neighbors.

    In a way, the bland white way proved to be the best formula for economic growth, social stability, political governance, and rule of law. After all, such people are most likely to be hardworking, mindful, conscientious, and neighborly. And usually polite and mannered. But it also means not-much-fun, not much eventfulness, not much in terms of crisis. So, northern European white bread bland types make the best bourgeois material and were behind the creation of US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. And social democracy in Sweden and Holland. And stability in post-war Germany. All very nice. But a well-oiled machine is predictable. It has its schedules, duties, and routines.
    That's not very fun or entertaining. It's no wonder Greeks invented drama. It's all about crisis and even madness and violence and things falling apart. It's like Kubrick films would be boring if not for the mounting crisis. There is a order that seems to be working according to plan, but things eventually begin to fall apart and blow up. Without HAL going nuts, 2001 would just be a bunch of guys doing a good job manning a spaceship. It'd be boring.
    Since northern European types became good at managing, organizing, coordinating, and maintaining, they became deficient in being fun by acting wild and crazy. Now, as long as their world was all they knew, they could carry on as usual. But once they became aware of the other world that came with temptations, they faced a crisis of culture. It's like the community in BABETTE'S FEAST was doing just fine, and everyone had his or her place. But the French woman came with all that yummy stuff and changed the sensory perceptions of the townsfolk. (The temptations get even wilder in THE BOUNTY where the Hopkins character grows anxious as his men get too chummy with the natives like it's Woodstock or something.)The northern-euro-community has much that is good and admirable. But it's not a place for fun or relaxation. It's a very mindful place where everyone has to be conscientious of his or her duties. And English societies were like this, at least in the movies and TV shows about the past. (Maybe Swedes in Sweden and Minnesota wanna bring more Africans as the fun-sun-people who will add glow and beat to cold dull Northern European life.)

    Northern Europeans were a very capable people who could build and manage things. But their commitment to order, harmony, and manners suppressed and discouraged the kind of wilder expressions that were more fun. Since music is more barbaric and images are more anarchic, Northern Europeans favored language as the favored expression. Germans were the exception with their great music, but even so, German Classical Music isn't exactly fun or something you can dance to. Also, the Northern European use of language, esp among the Brits, was more mindful of the perimeters and barriers. It was like Equestrian event where horses have to jump over certain obstacles in pre-coordinated space. So even as Brits came up with lots of literary wits, the style felt hemmed and restricted. A freer use of English arose in America, and much of this owed to ignorance. Americans without much learning got creative, like in HUCKLEBERRY FINN. And Negroes added their lingo. And immigrants with their ways of talking English changed it even more. Oddly enough, the addition of more color to English also made it more bland, at least officially. Since America needed a standard English for All Americans of various origins, it had to be as generic as possible. (It's like Mao tried to come up with more generic Chinese in the new China were everyone, not just the literati, was supposed to learn how to read and write.) As each ethnic group was mangling(and sometimes unwittingly enriching)English in their own way, it became more imperative to develop a generic American English that would be most easily accessible and applicable to all races and classes.
    Even so, various ethnic communities, Negroes, and hillbillies maintained their own way of talking. But white Anglos in the North and Midwest adopted the most generic kind of English. In a way, Hemingway, powerful prose-writer that he was, came up with a very straightforward kind of American English.
    Hemingway felt the anxiety of the Northern European. Feeling bland and generic, he needed to be doing manly stuff like hunting and watching bullfighting. He could never return to the Midwest. He had to see war, bloodied bulls, rhinos and elephants, and fishermen in Cuba.
    Some peoples feel colorful and saucy being what they are. Italians can stay in Italy and act like Fellini movie characters and feel alive. Greeks can throw fits in Greece and feel passion. Indeed, they might want to move to Northern European nations to get away from all that excitement with everyone throwing tantrums at the drop of a hat. In contrast, a bland Northern European can get bored with himself. Now, some Northern European types like the peace and order. But some, like Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Welles, and etc. needed excitement. And they relied on other cultures that seemed wilder and crazier and more alive. It's like Sam Peckinpah felt more alive in the mythic past of his imagination or Mexico with its crime and corruption than in boring Northern California(when it was very white).

    If Hemingway sought his excitement in Spain, Africa, and Cuba, Fitzgerald sought his exoticism in Negroes. Not directly as his novels are about white folks with mostly white characters. Still, they take place during the Jazz Age when well-educated, affluent, and urbane white Americans were spending their time, energy, and money on 'race' music, though to be sure, a lot of Jazz Age music was a pastiche of lots of stuff and often not very jazzy.
    One difference between Anglo-Negro creative tension and Latin-Negro creative tension was the former resulted from starker constrasts. Unlike Anglos, the Latins already had experience with (northern) Africans and even had some African blood due to Moorish invasion. Also, Spanish and Portuguese cultures had color and flavor. Spanish had flamenco, some of it derived from Gypsies. And they had very exciting spicy music. They were flamboyant and expressive. And Portuguese were really just inferior kind of Spanish. So, when Latin flavor mixed with Afro-flavor, they understood each other better. They learned to tango very quickly. In contrast, Anglo music culture was less flavorful. Hillbilly music could be wild but it was more in the way of 'doodah doodah' like with the fellers in BLAZING SADDLES. So, the contrast between black and white was starker in American music. When we listen to Bossa Nova, Samba, or Salsa, the Latin flavor and African rhythm seems so well-synced. In contrast, there is more abrasive and subversive quality about American black music as its energies were so at odd with Anglo order and manners. Latins weren't much for order and didn't get Rule of Law, which is why Latin American needed strongmen and tyranny to keep the order.

    Anyway, even though black music/culture is at the periphery in Fitzgerald's Jazz Age works, it does inform the charged atmosphere of the times. It is an enclosed world of white privilege but where the fun depends so much on the cultural creation of a more anarchic, animal, and instinctive force. And the white world remains both apart from it and drawn to it. For white privilege to remain, whites must be mindful, orderly, and duty-bound to work, class, and manners. And yet, it is the modern age where anything goes and individual must follow his whims. The 'irresponsible' rhythms of Jazz has a loosening effect on the listeners and dancers. And esp with the Prohibition, why not get intoxicated on music if alcohol wasn't so readily available?

    Several authors have been designated as the Fitzgerald of our era. Bret Ellison and Jay McTierney. But the artist who comes closest to Fitz's spirit is maybe the film-maker Whit Stillman(and not least because he's as much a writer as director). Granted, nothing Stillman has done comes anywhere near GREAT GATSBY -- and Stillman is too much of a moralist and some consider his sensibility closer to the early 19th century one of Jane Austen -- , but like Fitzgerald, his films are acutely aware of the both the charm and deficiencies of Northern European types. LAST DAYS OF DISCO is his 'Jazz Age' movie. Just like Fitzgerald's characters are very white, so are Stillman's. And yet, the very-whites of Fitzgerald operate to the backdrop of the Jazz Age of black rhythms and sometimes Jewish gangsters. Similarly, Stillman has given us the whitest characters in movies since his METROPOLITAN. They are preppy or UHB. One cannot imagine whiter characters, and they don't even try to be anything but white. Indeed, they seem unapologetically white. And yet, their story is set against the very gay-bohemian-black world of disco. Disco is their 'jazz'. On the surface, it seems odd that such whitey-white characters who seem so preppy, well-educated, literary, and verbally-oriented spend so much time in a place of music, getting loose and funky, and weird. And yet, it makes sense. Precisely because they so deficient in color and sauce, they feel alive and thrive from the environment... of course in measured doses. They are not really OF the disco culture. The core of their lives revolve around business, government work, and etc. Even the playboy character who works in the disco club is kept around because he's a good manager. They are the bourgeoisie even though they reject the term 'yuppie'. Without such people, modern society would cease to function. They come to work everyday, they check the books, they keep the schedules, they enforce government rules, and etc. And yet, because their lives are so into bourgeois tasks and responsibilities, they can't be wildly creative. They cannot let loose and really be free. For that, they must rely on others: homos, blacks, bohemians. Homo wildness would soon lead to HIV horror. Black wildness is much related to crime and chaos. And bohemian types thrive on subversion and transgression of all sorts. But precisely because they are so unbound to rules and regulations, they can be wildly creative and come up with something like disco. Like in GREAT GATSBY, there is the Jewish 'gangster' type in LAST DAYS in the figure of the club owner. He straddles both sides of the fence. He is a businessman and knows his job. But he also likes to play loose, cheating on taxes and dealing in drugs. And yet, that shadiness of Jews had a certain allure to more straight-laced Anglos. It's like Kay in the novel of THE GODFATHER is turned on by Michael's family of crime.

    Stillman is best at working in this Fitzgerald mode. (His Hemingwayean venture in Spain with BARCELONA just didn't have the proper footwork. And his Jane Austen adaptation, though fine, is rather dull as it's monochromatic.) Stillman is very good at presenting whiteness in contrast to a culture that is both opposite yet complementary on some level. Even though Josh(the DA guy) is a moralist(who defends the old-fashioned dog in LADY/TRAMP) whose worldview might seem at odds with the disco world of hedonism & even nihilism, the looseness of the disco world completes him in some way. It fills in the gaps(like what Rocky said he and Adrian fill in the gaps). At times, he seems a morose morbid type who recites hymns from memory, but he also wants to be a part of the larger exciting world, and he feels charged by the vibes of disco. It offers escape that he can't get with anything else that brings himself closer to his gloomier and more sober side, like the long winters of Northern Europe. Disco is like artificial sunlight.
    Because the music is often in the background, we may notice it less than the characters and the conversations, but there is a strange chemistry and rebound between the very white talk and the very black music(even in the other joint after the gang gets kicked out of the disco club). Now, this has to be conscious on Stillman's part. When I was young, most white kids listened to white rock , and they mostly hated it when I turned on Four Tops or the Supremes. Now, Stillman's world is very much whiter than the one I knew, yet his elite or ex-elite white characters seem to have an easier rapport with certain kinds of black music. Indeed, the White Rockers associated with Disco Sucks is not very visible in LAST DAYS. We just see some walk by with Disco Sucks t-shirt, and they seem threatening to the movie's vision of bliss. In a way, maybe elite whites are better-positioned to enjoy black music because they are separated from the black world, whereas the working class whites, feeling more competitive on a day-to-day and street-to-street level with blacks, tend to see black stuff as the Other to be avoided. Near the end of the movie, there's a funny moment when Des(Eigeman) and Jimmy(the ad guy) are in the taxi to the airport. They are talking very-very white and discussing Shakespeare and ethics and using logic to make sense of things. Yet, the music playing is ska that is filled with carefree gibberish. The whiteness of the conversation and the blackness of the rhythm cannot be more at odds, and yet they fit together perfectly precisely because they are opposites. The anxiety of white mindfulness eased by black sense of devil-may-care.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH9nqX9sYUs

    This use of black-music as a counterpoint to white bourgeois existence was used neatly in METROPOLITAN as well. It's hard to think of anyone whiter, paler, and more bourgeois than Audrey the heroine. And yet her moment of melancholy is wonderfully conveyed by the "Dry Your Eyes".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrqUhOqEmhc

    It expresses the kind of feelings that are discouraged in the world of socialites and debutantes. It's a place where one has to repress one's true feelings -- though she loves Tom, she never says so , and even when she's hurt, she denies it -- or one where wit(a kind of repression in its own right) is essential if one is to push the boundaries of propriety. Nick(Eigman)'s transgressions are tolerated because he keeps his form. He knows how the game is played.
    So, the piece of soul music fills in the emotions that are not allowed in her world. And in a way, it's complementary because any good piece of music belongs in its own kind of aristocracy as talent is rare, and anything rare is a kind of a jewel.

    Anyway, this brings us back to Dana Stevens who is so very white. Indeed 'nice lady' is codeword for very white white woman. I'm sure she felt her very white-whiteness all her life, esp as she grew up in PC world where whiteness is suspect, like Ron Ronsenbaum freaking out about 'white turkey meat' and 'white bread', ironically in the way Hitler might have reacted to bagels and lox or matzaball soup.
    Given her bland whiteness, maybe she sought sustenance from Jewish culture. Jews got wit, Jews got wisdom(from Holocaust and all that), Jews got zaniness, Jews got larger personalities, like the Jewish woman in Woody Allen's INTERIORS who livens up a dull wasp family like Sidney Poitier brought some joy to a convent full of nuns without sodapop to sip.

    So, how traumatic it must be for Stevens to discover that this Jewish World is filled with sleaze beyond anything she could imagine. Now, Audrey in METROPOLITAN was young and sheltered. I would think Stevens, being older and having worked in the cultural community for so long, would be a bit wiser. But, PC just created this massive bubble of the mind. An iron bubble.

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    Disco was wildly popular in the U.S. for a period. It sparked what is probably the last great national dance craze, at least in white American culture. Certainly the Macarena or the revival of swing/salsa in the 90s don’t compare.

    It was so overplayed that it has turned people off for generations. As if children were born sick of it through Lamarckian adaptation. White people turned on it first, and it was always more appealing to blacks and Hispanics. It should be, considering it’s a mix of black funk and Latin American rhythms.

    But when it was ubiquitous, white people were the biggest audience. That’s necessary in order for it to be the dominant subgenre of pop music, which it was. Same for hip-hop/r&b, which obviously appeals to blacks more than whites. But whites like it, too (unfortunately). Otherwise it wouldn’t dominate, as it currently does. I can’t tell you bow many young people have told me their favorite genres are simultaneously rap and country. It sounds weird, but it’s the true.

    The white yuppies in Last Days of Disco are living in the last days of disco, naturally, so you’d think there’d be more of a backlash amongst them. But the characters were pre-selected as sufferers of discomania. I mean, that’s the subject of the movie: people still committed to disco in its last days. Just as Metropolitan was about people who still went to debutante balls after they went out of fashion.

    As for Audrey in Metropolitan, plenty of whites still listen to soul music, which speaks to them much the same way regular rock does, only with more emphatically “soulful” romantic emotions. It’s more naturally appealing to people who come from a culture of gospel music, maybe, but it’s been part of mainstream white culture for decades.

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    Disco was popular, under other names, with blacks and some Latins, and homosexuals, before white people started listening to it and dancing to it and it remained popular with them for quite a while after whites suddenly lost interest in it. The famous antidisco riot at Comiskey Park was a turning point, certainly.

    But white ( and functionally white, e.g., Phil Lynott) musicians started listening to the most musically influential disco act- Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards of the Chic Organization-after that point. Edwards passed on young, but Rodgers went on to produce mainly white acts (Diana Ross was an exception) including Madonna , David Bowie, and Eric Clapton.

    Never figured that one out myself. Although Rodgers was a master of chord inversions and a certain type of rhythm part that has sold an enormous number of records.

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  237. @Anon
    Stevens is someone who blames Reagan-Era Indifference for the HIV disaster in the homo community.

    PC as status marker blinds many eyes.

    It's like the reluctance among Catholics to believe in abusive priests. Why? After all, priests are supposed to be selfless holy men? Could they really do such a thing?

    And so many people, even intelligent ones, simply wouldn't believe that Lenin and Stalin could do the things they did. After all, the communist revolution was about love and progress.

    And Hollywood has become like the new church for Progs. Even as culture critics like Stevens like to poke fun at Hollywood for its crassness, it is their church with all the Libby stars and artists and celebs. And Oscar ceremony is like open season on Square America.

    Stevens is blind to how much homos were responsible for the HIV mess since one of the status markers of progs has been to treat homos like saints, angels, and the rightful true aristocrats filled with so much creativity and sass.

    Part of her problem is the unbearable whiteness of being. Because she is white-bread and part of the disfavored race, she feels a need to attach herself to the Other to feel justified, redeemed, and revitalized. She is too 'white'. (If someone is alt-right, he is 'hu-white', and that comes with real blood and soil vitamins, but libby-dibs don't have that. They feel deficient in Vitamin Diversity.) It's no wonder she connected with Oshima's IN THE REALM OF THE SENSELESS. It was exotic, extreme, and demented. Her appreciation meant she wasn't just some 'white bread' girl from the prairies.
    Some white libby-dibs even say white people have no culture. This is both self-debasement and boast.

    https://redice.tv/news/official-working-for-the-swedish-government-there-is-no-native-swedish-culture

    It is self-debasement for obvious reasons. I mean every people have a unique culture. For example, even if Swedish language is part of the larger Germanic family and even if Christianity came from elsewhere, the Swedes made it their own through practice. It's like blacks took white music and made it their own, and whites took black music and made it their own. It's like Japan took stuff from China and India(Buddhism) and molded it in their own way. A culture can be borrowed from another people and come to be owned by process of digestion and adaptation. Judaism itself is a creative patchwork of myths and stories Jews picked up from other tribes. Jews combined them with their own myth. But for some reason, some idiot Swedes and whites say they got no culture because much of Northern European Culture originated from the South in Greece or Near East.
    But if a people take a culture and mold it through their own history and experience, it becomes theirs. It's like two people can become Muslims and have their own unique experience and understanding of the religion. In more recent times, so much of white music owes to black influence and so much of European pop owes to American influence. Still, every people do their own thing with it, and it becomes theirs in time.

    But in another way, this notion of whites having no culture is a kind of boast. It really means whites are beyond culture, an atavistic notion. After all, culture is specific, rooted, and limiting. It has bounds and identities. It has traditions and customs. All such serve as brakes on individual freedom. In contrast, a truly free and independent individual thinks rationally and arrives at his truth through intellect and agency. He doesn't rely on received culture to tell him right or wrong.
    To be sure, not all beyond-culturists are interested in intellect or truth. Some are more into fun and sensations, and they want to find it wherever they can. So, they prefer to try all kinds of foods, listen to all kinds of music, have sex with all sorts of people to find the best and most fun. Culture is an obstacle to such freewheeling venture.

    So, when white libby-dibs say they got no culture, it's both self-debasing humility and conceited boast. By praising OTHER cultures over white stuff, they wanna seem open-minded and appreciative. But then, by dispensing with any sense of obligation to their own race and culture, they see themselves as the most liberated and free individuals on earth unbound to any 'essentialism'.

    Anyway, this sense of cultural blandess may be a bigger thing among Northern European types. They may feel more white-bread and lifeless because they are pale of skin, angular in features(without exotic features of swarthier southern Europeans), and more even in temperament. (Semites are naturally more expressive, and Negroes are wild. Asians and 'Injuns' may not be expressive but their silence may be mistaken for profound inscrutability.) We like to see movies about Italians like in GOODFELLAS because they got big colorful personalities. But most people aren't keen on watching movies about nice Swedish-Americans. FARGO made it halfway interesting by presenting them as pathologically normal, always ready to say Yah and get along with neighbors.

    In a way, the bland white way proved to be the best formula for economic growth, social stability, political governance, and rule of law. After all, such people are most likely to be hardworking, mindful, conscientious, and neighborly. And usually polite and mannered. But it also means not-much-fun, not much eventfulness, not much in terms of crisis. So, northern European white bread bland types make the best bourgeois material and were behind the creation of US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. And social democracy in Sweden and Holland. And stability in post-war Germany. All very nice. But a well-oiled machine is predictable. It has its schedules, duties, and routines.
    That's not very fun or entertaining. It's no wonder Greeks invented drama. It's all about crisis and even madness and violence and things falling apart. It's like Kubrick films would be boring if not for the mounting crisis. There is a order that seems to be working according to plan, but things eventually begin to fall apart and blow up. Without HAL going nuts, 2001 would just be a bunch of guys doing a good job manning a spaceship. It'd be boring.
    Since northern European types became good at managing, organizing, coordinating, and maintaining, they became deficient in being fun by acting wild and crazy. Now, as long as their world was all they knew, they could carry on as usual. But once they became aware of the other world that came with temptations, they faced a crisis of culture. It's like the community in BABETTE'S FEAST was doing just fine, and everyone had his or her place. But the French woman came with all that yummy stuff and changed the sensory perceptions of the townsfolk. (The temptations get even wilder in THE BOUNTY where the Hopkins character grows anxious as his men get too chummy with the natives like it's Woodstock or something.)The northern-euro-community has much that is good and admirable. But it's not a place for fun or relaxation. It's a very mindful place where everyone has to be conscientious of his or her duties. And English societies were like this, at least in the movies and TV shows about the past. (Maybe Swedes in Sweden and Minnesota wanna bring more Africans as the fun-sun-people who will add glow and beat to cold dull Northern European life.)

    Northern Europeans were a very capable people who could build and manage things. But their commitment to order, harmony, and manners suppressed and discouraged the kind of wilder expressions that were more fun. Since music is more barbaric and images are more anarchic, Northern Europeans favored language as the favored expression. Germans were the exception with their great music, but even so, German Classical Music isn't exactly fun or something you can dance to. Also, the Northern European use of language, esp among the Brits, was more mindful of the perimeters and barriers. It was like Equestrian event where horses have to jump over certain obstacles in pre-coordinated space. So even as Brits came up with lots of literary wits, the style felt hemmed and restricted. A freer use of English arose in America, and much of this owed to ignorance. Americans without much learning got creative, like in HUCKLEBERRY FINN. And Negroes added their lingo. And immigrants with their ways of talking English changed it even more. Oddly enough, the addition of more color to English also made it more bland, at least officially. Since America needed a standard English for All Americans of various origins, it had to be as generic as possible. (It's like Mao tried to come up with more generic Chinese in the new China were everyone, not just the literati, was supposed to learn how to read and write.) As each ethnic group was mangling(and sometimes unwittingly enriching)English in their own way, it became more imperative to develop a generic American English that would be most easily accessible and applicable to all races and classes.
    Even so, various ethnic communities, Negroes, and hillbillies maintained their own way of talking. But white Anglos in the North and Midwest adopted the most generic kind of English. In a way, Hemingway, powerful prose-writer that he was, came up with a very straightforward kind of American English.
    Hemingway felt the anxiety of the Northern European. Feeling bland and generic, he needed to be doing manly stuff like hunting and watching bullfighting. He could never return to the Midwest. He had to see war, bloodied bulls, rhinos and elephants, and fishermen in Cuba.
    Some peoples feel colorful and saucy being what they are. Italians can stay in Italy and act like Fellini movie characters and feel alive. Greeks can throw fits in Greece and feel passion. Indeed, they might want to move to Northern European nations to get away from all that excitement with everyone throwing tantrums at the drop of a hat. In contrast, a bland Northern European can get bored with himself. Now, some Northern European types like the peace and order. But some, like Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Welles, and etc. needed excitement. And they relied on other cultures that seemed wilder and crazier and more alive. It's like Sam Peckinpah felt more alive in the mythic past of his imagination or Mexico with its crime and corruption than in boring Northern California(when it was very white).

    If Hemingway sought his excitement in Spain, Africa, and Cuba, Fitzgerald sought his exoticism in Negroes. Not directly as his novels are about white folks with mostly white characters. Still, they take place during the Jazz Age when well-educated, affluent, and urbane white Americans were spending their time, energy, and money on 'race' music, though to be sure, a lot of Jazz Age music was a pastiche of lots of stuff and often not very jazzy.
    One difference between Anglo-Negro creative tension and Latin-Negro creative tension was the former resulted from starker constrasts. Unlike Anglos, the Latins already had experience with (northern) Africans and even had some African blood due to Moorish invasion. Also, Spanish and Portuguese cultures had color and flavor. Spanish had flamenco, some of it derived from Gypsies. And they had very exciting spicy music. They were flamboyant and expressive. And Portuguese were really just inferior kind of Spanish. So, when Latin flavor mixed with Afro-flavor, they understood each other better. They learned to tango very quickly. In contrast, Anglo music culture was less flavorful. Hillbilly music could be wild but it was more in the way of 'doodah doodah' like with the fellers in BLAZING SADDLES. So, the contrast between black and white was starker in American music. When we listen to Bossa Nova, Samba, or Salsa, the Latin flavor and African rhythm seems so well-synced. In contrast, there is more abrasive and subversive quality about American black music as its energies were so at odd with Anglo order and manners. Latins weren't much for order and didn't get Rule of Law, which is why Latin American needed strongmen and tyranny to keep the order.

    Anyway, even though black music/culture is at the periphery in Fitzgerald's Jazz Age works, it does inform the charged atmosphere of the times. It is an enclosed world of white privilege but where the fun depends so much on the cultural creation of a more anarchic, animal, and instinctive force. And the white world remains both apart from it and drawn to it. For white privilege to remain, whites must be mindful, orderly, and duty-bound to work, class, and manners. And yet, it is the modern age where anything goes and individual must follow his whims. The 'irresponsible' rhythms of Jazz has a loosening effect on the listeners and dancers. And esp with the Prohibition, why not get intoxicated on music if alcohol wasn't so readily available?

    Several authors have been designated as the Fitzgerald of our era. Bret Ellison and Jay McTierney. But the artist who comes closest to Fitz's spirit is maybe the film-maker Whit Stillman(and not least because he's as much a writer as director). Granted, nothing Stillman has done comes anywhere near GREAT GATSBY -- and Stillman is too much of a moralist and some consider his sensibility closer to the early 19th century one of Jane Austen -- , but like Fitzgerald, his films are acutely aware of the both the charm and deficiencies of Northern European types. LAST DAYS OF DISCO is his 'Jazz Age' movie. Just like Fitzgerald's characters are very white, so are Stillman's. And yet, the very-whites of Fitzgerald operate to the backdrop of the Jazz Age of black rhythms and sometimes Jewish gangsters. Similarly, Stillman has given us the whitest characters in movies since his METROPOLITAN. They are preppy or UHB. One cannot imagine whiter characters, and they don't even try to be anything but white. Indeed, they seem unapologetically white. And yet, their story is set against the very gay-bohemian-black world of disco. Disco is their 'jazz'. On the surface, it seems odd that such whitey-white characters who seem so preppy, well-educated, literary, and verbally-oriented spend so much time in a place of music, getting loose and funky, and weird. And yet, it makes sense. Precisely because they so deficient in color and sauce, they feel alive and thrive from the environment... of course in measured doses. They are not really OF the disco culture. The core of their lives revolve around business, government work, and etc. Even the playboy character who works in the disco club is kept around because he's a good manager. They are the bourgeoisie even though they reject the term 'yuppie'. Without such people, modern society would cease to function. They come to work everyday, they check the books, they keep the schedules, they enforce government rules, and etc. And yet, because their lives are so into bourgeois tasks and responsibilities, they can't be wildly creative. They cannot let loose and really be free. For that, they must rely on others: homos, blacks, bohemians. Homo wildness would soon lead to HIV horror. Black wildness is much related to crime and chaos. And bohemian types thrive on subversion and transgression of all sorts. But precisely because they are so unbound to rules and regulations, they can be wildly creative and come up with something like disco. Like in GREAT GATSBY, there is the Jewish 'gangster' type in LAST DAYS in the figure of the club owner. He straddles both sides of the fence. He is a businessman and knows his job. But he also likes to play loose, cheating on taxes and dealing in drugs. And yet, that shadiness of Jews had a certain allure to more straight-laced Anglos. It's like Kay in the novel of THE GODFATHER is turned on by Michael's family of crime.

    Stillman is best at working in this Fitzgerald mode. (His Hemingwayean venture in Spain with BARCELONA just didn't have the proper footwork. And his Jane Austen adaptation, though fine, is rather dull as it's monochromatic.) Stillman is very good at presenting whiteness in contrast to a culture that is both opposite yet complementary on some level. Even though Josh(the DA guy) is a moralist(who defends the old-fashioned dog in LADY/TRAMP) whose worldview might seem at odds with the disco world of hedonism & even nihilism, the looseness of the disco world completes him in some way. It fills in the gaps(like what Rocky said he and Adrian fill in the gaps). At times, he seems a morose morbid type who recites hymns from memory, but he also wants to be a part of the larger exciting world, and he feels charged by the vibes of disco. It offers escape that he can't get with anything else that brings himself closer to his gloomier and more sober side, like the long winters of Northern Europe. Disco is like artificial sunlight.
    Because the music is often in the background, we may notice it less than the characters and the conversations, but there is a strange chemistry and rebound between the very white talk and the very black music(even in the other joint after the gang gets kicked out of the disco club). Now, this has to be conscious on Stillman's part. When I was young, most white kids listened to white rock , and they mostly hated it when I turned on Four Tops or the Supremes. Now, Stillman's world is very much whiter than the one I knew, yet his elite or ex-elite white characters seem to have an easier rapport with certain kinds of black music. Indeed, the White Rockers associated with Disco Sucks is not very visible in LAST DAYS. We just see some walk by with Disco Sucks t-shirt, and they seem threatening to the movie's vision of bliss. In a way, maybe elite whites are better-positioned to enjoy black music because they are separated from the black world, whereas the working class whites, feeling more competitive on a day-to-day and street-to-street level with blacks, tend to see black stuff as the Other to be avoided. Near the end of the movie, there's a funny moment when Des(Eigeman) and Jimmy(the ad guy) are in the taxi to the airport. They are talking very-very white and discussing Shakespeare and ethics and using logic to make sense of things. Yet, the music playing is ska that is filled with carefree gibberish. The whiteness of the conversation and the blackness of the rhythm cannot be more at odds, and yet they fit together perfectly precisely because they are opposites. The anxiety of white mindfulness eased by black sense of devil-may-care.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH9nqX9sYUs

    This use of black-music as a counterpoint to white bourgeois existence was used neatly in METROPOLITAN as well. It's hard to think of anyone whiter, paler, and more bourgeois than Audrey the heroine. And yet her moment of melancholy is wonderfully conveyed by the "Dry Your Eyes".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrqUhOqEmhc

    It expresses the kind of feelings that are discouraged in the world of socialites and debutantes. It's a place where one has to repress one's true feelings -- though she loves Tom, she never says so , and even when she's hurt, she denies it -- or one where wit(a kind of repression in its own right) is essential if one is to push the boundaries of propriety. Nick(Eigman)'s transgressions are tolerated because he keeps his form. He knows how the game is played.
    So, the piece of soul music fills in the emotions that are not allowed in her world. And in a way, it's complementary because any good piece of music belongs in its own kind of aristocracy as talent is rare, and anything rare is a kind of a jewel.

    Anyway, this brings us back to Dana Stevens who is so very white. Indeed 'nice lady' is codeword for very white white woman. I'm sure she felt her very white-whiteness all her life, esp as she grew up in PC world where whiteness is suspect, like Ron Ronsenbaum freaking out about 'white turkey meat' and 'white bread', ironically in the way Hitler might have reacted to bagels and lox or matzaball soup.
    Given her bland whiteness, maybe she sought sustenance from Jewish culture. Jews got wit, Jews got wisdom(from Holocaust and all that), Jews got zaniness, Jews got larger personalities, like the Jewish woman in Woody Allen's INTERIORS who livens up a dull wasp family like Sidney Poitier brought some joy to a convent full of nuns without sodapop to sip.

    So, how traumatic it must be for Stevens to discover that this Jewish World is filled with sleaze beyond anything she could imagine. Now, Audrey in METROPOLITAN was young and sheltered. I would think Stevens, being older and having worked in the cultural community for so long, would be a bit wiser. But, PC just created this massive bubble of the mind. An iron bubble.

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    If it wasn’t clear, I should add that the culture being “opposite yet complimentary” to whiteness isn’t the point of those movies, near as I can tell. You could think of them entirely in terms of white society if you wanted. The characters are both in and out of touch with the rougher, lower culture surrounding them. Those lower parts may be “more ethnic,” as they say, or simply driven in origin from alien ethnicities. However, nothing’s to say they couldn’t be getting down to Irish folk music, if that happened to be sweeping the nation.

    Just so happens pop music is largely black these and those days. If you want whiteness, you have to tease it out from the background. If Last Days of Disco took place in the Vienna of 1790, it wouldn’t be called the Last Days of the Waltz, because obviously that craze lasted for a while. But maybe it could be called Days of Waltz and have a similar feel to it. They wouldn’t be part of a popular movement that’s gone with the wind, but, you know, it could be about growing up and out of the youthful ritual of clubbing.

    Point is, that was white music, and it could serve the very same social purpose for them.

  238. @scrivener3
    The right is so ecstatic that a leftist got caught in this web that they are signing on to a process that is going to turn around and bite them big time.

    1. If a man is accused of rape or groping or unwanted advances arising to a crime, it is no longer "innocent until proven guilty." You are not the accused, you are the slime ball.

    2. Standards of due process, burden of proof, presumption of innocence are thrown out to mob justice. The number of accusers determine guilt. Carefully scripted revelations over time to keep the public enthralled, repetition, media amplification, all determine guilt.

    3. The women never have to have their charges subjected to any examination.

    4. Employers and business associates are expected to shun someone accused, merely on the word of a woman in a he said she said situation when other progressive women pile on, often with charges that would be barred by a statue of limitations for very good reason. Statute of Limitations? We don't need no Statute of Limitations, gringo.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The right is so ecstatic that a leftist got caught in this web that they are signing on to a process that is going to turn around and bite them big time.

    Agreed. The right never learns. They’re being played. Again.

  239. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You have to compare Weinstein to Hefner as I mentioned before. Hefner was exactly as you describe - he made it very clear to the women around him that they would be rewarded for sex and if they withheld it they would get nothing from him. But for Hefner, that's where it ended - if you said no, he accepted your answer and didn't try to force himself on you. He didn't need to - there were tons of willing females willing to take him up on his offer.

    But Weinstein was different. He was not the kind of person who would accept no for an answer from ANYONE. Not on a movie deal and not on his sexual propositions. Weinstein, like Hefner, probably had consensual sexual encounters with hundreds if not thousands of willing starlets. BUT, there was a small minority who were not willing to go along. Weinstein thought that if he just bullied them that he could get past their objections as well. It is this relatively small latter group who are (rightly) causing problems for him now. Regardless of the (low) level of morality in Hollywood, he had no right to force himself on anyone.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rosamond Vincy, @anon, @dfordoom

    Regardless of the (low) level of morality in Hollywood, he had no right to force himself on anyone.

    So has he actually been convicted of forcing himself onto anybody? Remember that pesky presumption of innocence stuff?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @dfordoom

    Presumption of innocence only applies to juries after a DA files charges and there is a trail. It doesn't apply to millions of people discussing sex scandals. As long as commenters are not on a jury, they can presume guilt if they choose because what random people think doesn't apply to criminal or civil charges and a jury trail which may or not happen.

  240. @Alden
    @anonymous

    Casablanca was just liberal propaganda designed to ram the USA into WW2. Very early on you can catch some dialogue that shows that Rick the hero was a gun runner for the Russian communist side in the Spanish civil war. He has warrants out in America for the illegal gun running in a good cause beloved by Jews and liberals, to establish a Soviet gulag in Spain.

    Then there is the the nazis are coming to kill all the Jews, the nazis are coming the nazis are coming.

    And I can't stand Ingrid Bergman or Katherine Hepburn. Bergman is a giantess, much too big to play with normal or even large size men. Ever compared her 4 ft wide shoulders to the men's normal shoulders? And she has a fat face. The only TV channel I watch is Turner movies because its the only channell where the movie isn't interrupted every 3 minutes by some ad featuring blacks. So I've seen a lot of Ingrid Bergman movies. She's big and ugly. But it's a good movie if you ignore the liberal propaganda and don't watch Bergman's scenes.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Casablanca was just liberal propaganda designed to ram the USA into WW2.

    Hollywood was always more about the propaganda than the movies.

  241. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/correctthemedia/status/918962905466507264

    Replies: @Eagle Eye

    Real reason for auto-ban is juxtaposition of “Seth” and “rich.”

    Permutations of pizza, gate, Podesta, pedo, murder, Hillary, Anthony, Huma etc. also trigger auto-bans.

  242. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @guest
    @Anon

    Disco was wildly popular in the U.S. for a period. It sparked what is probably the last great national dance craze, at least in white American culture. Certainly the Macarena or the revival of swing/salsa in the 90s don't compare.

    It was so overplayed that it has turned people off for generations. As if children were born sick of it through Lamarckian adaptation. White people turned on it first, and it was always more appealing to blacks and Hispanics. It should be, considering it's a mix of black funk and Latin American rhythms.

    But when it was ubiquitous, white people were the biggest audience. That's necessary in order for it to be the dominant subgenre of pop music, which it was. Same for hip-hop/r&b, which obviously appeals to blacks more than whites. But whites like it, too (unfortunately). Otherwise it wouldn't dominate, as it currently does. I can't tell you bow many young people have told me their favorite genres are simultaneously rap and country. It sounds weird, but it's the true.

    The white yuppies in Last Days of Disco are living in the last days of disco, naturally, so you'd think there'd be more of a backlash amongst them. But the characters were pre-selected as sufferers of discomania. I mean, that's the subject of the movie: people still committed to disco in its last days. Just as Metropolitan was about people who still went to debutante balls after they went out of fashion.

    As for Audrey in Metropolitan, plenty of whites still listen to soul music, which speaks to them much the same way regular rock does, only with more emphatically "soulful" romantic emotions. It's more naturally appealing to people who come from a culture of gospel music, maybe, but it's been part of mainstream white culture for decades.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Disco was popular, under other names, with blacks and some Latins, and homosexuals, before white people started listening to it and dancing to it and it remained popular with them for quite a while after whites suddenly lost interest in it. The famous antidisco riot at Comiskey Park was a turning point, certainly.

    But white ( and functionally white, e.g., Phil Lynott) musicians started listening to the most musically influential disco act- Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards of the Chic Organization-after that point. Edwards passed on young, but Rodgers went on to produce mainly white acts (Diana Ross was an exception) including Madonna , David Bowie, and Eric Clapton.

    Never figured that one out myself. Although Rodgers was a master of chord inversions and a certain type of rhythm part that has sold an enormous number of records.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Anonymous

    "whites suddenly lost interest in it"

    It might be more accurate to say whites lost interest in the brand name and the Saturday Night Fever culture. They still listened to dance music with Latin and funk roots that might as well be called "disco" instead of "New Wave" or "pop." The biggest album of all time, Thriller, is heavily disco. No one called it that, because of the way it seamlessly blended various subgenres--funk, soul, r&b, rock, whatever it is Paul McCartney was doing at the time, etc. But it contained disco nonetheless.

    "the most musically influential disco act- Nile Rogers and Bernard Edwards of the Chic organization"

    Rogers played on countless pop, New Wave, glam, "art rock," and so forth tracks that were basically disco by another name. Or, if not that, disco-adjacent funk. Rap has made a healthy living off of disco samples from the beginning.

    But we're getting into fuzzy boundaries territory. Popular music is especially bad with that. Nevermind subgenres, what's the difference between ragtime and jazz? Blues and country? Rock and blues? No one really knows.

    I don't want to be an obscurantist. Just saying, disco had a PR problem as much as a genuine loss of white confidence/attention. I think the true story of Disco Sucks is the breakdown of the dance craze. White males reasserted themselves with relatively un-dancey hard rock, and club culture lost the unusual grip it had on white imagination for a few years.

  243. @Anonymous
    @guest

    Disco was popular, under other names, with blacks and some Latins, and homosexuals, before white people started listening to it and dancing to it and it remained popular with them for quite a while after whites suddenly lost interest in it. The famous antidisco riot at Comiskey Park was a turning point, certainly.

    But white ( and functionally white, e.g., Phil Lynott) musicians started listening to the most musically influential disco act- Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards of the Chic Organization-after that point. Edwards passed on young, but Rodgers went on to produce mainly white acts (Diana Ross was an exception) including Madonna , David Bowie, and Eric Clapton.

    Never figured that one out myself. Although Rodgers was a master of chord inversions and a certain type of rhythm part that has sold an enormous number of records.

    Replies: @guest

    “whites suddenly lost interest in it”

    It might be more accurate to say whites lost interest in the brand name and the Saturday Night Fever culture. They still listened to dance music with Latin and funk roots that might as well be called “disco” instead of “New Wave” or “pop.” The biggest album of all time, Thriller, is heavily disco. No one called it that, because of the way it seamlessly blended various subgenres–funk, soul, r&b, rock, whatever it is Paul McCartney was doing at the time, etc. But it contained disco nonetheless.

    “the most musically influential disco act- Nile Rogers and Bernard Edwards of the Chic organization”

    Rogers played on countless pop, New Wave, glam, “art rock,” and so forth tracks that were basically disco by another name. Or, if not that, disco-adjacent funk. Rap has made a healthy living off of disco samples from the beginning.

    But we’re getting into fuzzy boundaries territory. Popular music is especially bad with that. Nevermind subgenres, what’s the difference between ragtime and jazz? Blues and country? Rock and blues? No one really knows.

    I don’t want to be an obscurantist. Just saying, disco had a PR problem as much as a genuine loss of white confidence/attention. I think the true story of Disco Sucks is the breakdown of the dance craze. White males reasserted themselves with relatively un-dancey hard rock, and club culture lost the unusual grip it had on white imagination for a few years.

  244. The millennials must live in cocoons. Oh wait, they live virtual lives on their cell phones.

    They have no clue about the real world!

  245. @Anon
    @Rosamond Vincy

    You skipped Bassanio.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    Got deadlines, will get to him later.

  246. @Anon
    Stevens is someone who blames Reagan-Era Indifference for the HIV disaster in the homo community.

    PC as status marker blinds many eyes.

    It's like the reluctance among Catholics to believe in abusive priests. Why? After all, priests are supposed to be selfless holy men? Could they really do such a thing?

    And so many people, even intelligent ones, simply wouldn't believe that Lenin and Stalin could do the things they did. After all, the communist revolution was about love and progress.

    And Hollywood has become like the new church for Progs. Even as culture critics like Stevens like to poke fun at Hollywood for its crassness, it is their church with all the Libby stars and artists and celebs. And Oscar ceremony is like open season on Square America.

    Stevens is blind to how much homos were responsible for the HIV mess since one of the status markers of progs has been to treat homos like saints, angels, and the rightful true aristocrats filled with so much creativity and sass.

    Part of her problem is the unbearable whiteness of being. Because she is white-bread and part of the disfavored race, she feels a need to attach herself to the Other to feel justified, redeemed, and revitalized. She is too 'white'. (If someone is alt-right, he is 'hu-white', and that comes with real blood and soil vitamins, but libby-dibs don't have that. They feel deficient in Vitamin Diversity.) It's no wonder she connected with Oshima's IN THE REALM OF THE SENSELESS. It was exotic, extreme, and demented. Her appreciation meant she wasn't just some 'white bread' girl from the prairies.
    Some white libby-dibs even say white people have no culture. This is both self-debasement and boast.

    https://redice.tv/news/official-working-for-the-swedish-government-there-is-no-native-swedish-culture

    It is self-debasement for obvious reasons. I mean every people have a unique culture. For example, even if Swedish language is part of the larger Germanic family and even if Christianity came from elsewhere, the Swedes made it their own through practice. It's like blacks took white music and made it their own, and whites took black music and made it their own. It's like Japan took stuff from China and India(Buddhism) and molded it in their own way. A culture can be borrowed from another people and come to be owned by process of digestion and adaptation. Judaism itself is a creative patchwork of myths and stories Jews picked up from other tribes. Jews combined them with their own myth. But for some reason, some idiot Swedes and whites say they got no culture because much of Northern European Culture originated from the South in Greece or Near East.
    But if a people take a culture and mold it through their own history and experience, it becomes theirs. It's like two people can become Muslims and have their own unique experience and understanding of the religion. In more recent times, so much of white music owes to black influence and so much of European pop owes to American influence. Still, every people do their own thing with it, and it becomes theirs in time.

    But in another way, this notion of whites having no culture is a kind of boast. It really means whites are beyond culture, an atavistic notion. After all, culture is specific, rooted, and limiting. It has bounds and identities. It has traditions and customs. All such serve as brakes on individual freedom. In contrast, a truly free and independent individual thinks rationally and arrives at his truth through intellect and agency. He doesn't rely on received culture to tell him right or wrong.
    To be sure, not all beyond-culturists are interested in intellect or truth. Some are more into fun and sensations, and they want to find it wherever they can. So, they prefer to try all kinds of foods, listen to all kinds of music, have sex with all sorts of people to find the best and most fun. Culture is an obstacle to such freewheeling venture.

    So, when white libby-dibs say they got no culture, it's both self-debasing humility and conceited boast. By praising OTHER cultures over white stuff, they wanna seem open-minded and appreciative. But then, by dispensing with any sense of obligation to their own race and culture, they see themselves as the most liberated and free individuals on earth unbound to any 'essentialism'.

    Anyway, this sense of cultural blandess may be a bigger thing among Northern European types. They may feel more white-bread and lifeless because they are pale of skin, angular in features(without exotic features of swarthier southern Europeans), and more even in temperament. (Semites are naturally more expressive, and Negroes are wild. Asians and 'Injuns' may not be expressive but their silence may be mistaken for profound inscrutability.) We like to see movies about Italians like in GOODFELLAS because they got big colorful personalities. But most people aren't keen on watching movies about nice Swedish-Americans. FARGO made it halfway interesting by presenting them as pathologically normal, always ready to say Yah and get along with neighbors.

    In a way, the bland white way proved to be the best formula for economic growth, social stability, political governance, and rule of law. After all, such people are most likely to be hardworking, mindful, conscientious, and neighborly. And usually polite and mannered. But it also means not-much-fun, not much eventfulness, not much in terms of crisis. So, northern European white bread bland types make the best bourgeois material and were behind the creation of US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. And social democracy in Sweden and Holland. And stability in post-war Germany. All very nice. But a well-oiled machine is predictable. It has its schedules, duties, and routines.
    That's not very fun or entertaining. It's no wonder Greeks invented drama. It's all about crisis and even madness and violence and things falling apart. It's like Kubrick films would be boring if not for the mounting crisis. There is a order that seems to be working according to plan, but things eventually begin to fall apart and blow up. Without HAL going nuts, 2001 would just be a bunch of guys doing a good job manning a spaceship. It'd be boring.
    Since northern European types became good at managing, organizing, coordinating, and maintaining, they became deficient in being fun by acting wild and crazy. Now, as long as their world was all they knew, they could carry on as usual. But once they became aware of the other world that came with temptations, they faced a crisis of culture. It's like the community in BABETTE'S FEAST was doing just fine, and everyone had his or her place. But the French woman came with all that yummy stuff and changed the sensory perceptions of the townsfolk. (The temptations get even wilder in THE BOUNTY where the Hopkins character grows anxious as his men get too chummy with the natives like it's Woodstock or something.)The northern-euro-community has much that is good and admirable. But it's not a place for fun or relaxation. It's a very mindful place where everyone has to be conscientious of his or her duties. And English societies were like this, at least in the movies and TV shows about the past. (Maybe Swedes in Sweden and Minnesota wanna bring more Africans as the fun-sun-people who will add glow and beat to cold dull Northern European life.)

    Northern Europeans were a very capable people who could build and manage things. But their commitment to order, harmony, and manners suppressed and discouraged the kind of wilder expressions that were more fun. Since music is more barbaric and images are more anarchic, Northern Europeans favored language as the favored expression. Germans were the exception with their great music, but even so, German Classical Music isn't exactly fun or something you can dance to. Also, the Northern European use of language, esp among the Brits, was more mindful of the perimeters and barriers. It was like Equestrian event where horses have to jump over certain obstacles in pre-coordinated space. So even as Brits came up with lots of literary wits, the style felt hemmed and restricted. A freer use of English arose in America, and much of this owed to ignorance. Americans without much learning got creative, like in HUCKLEBERRY FINN. And Negroes added their lingo. And immigrants with their ways of talking English changed it even more. Oddly enough, the addition of more color to English also made it more bland, at least officially. Since America needed a standard English for All Americans of various origins, it had to be as generic as possible. (It's like Mao tried to come up with more generic Chinese in the new China were everyone, not just the literati, was supposed to learn how to read and write.) As each ethnic group was mangling(and sometimes unwittingly enriching)English in their own way, it became more imperative to develop a generic American English that would be most easily accessible and applicable to all races and classes.
    Even so, various ethnic communities, Negroes, and hillbillies maintained their own way of talking. But white Anglos in the North and Midwest adopted the most generic kind of English. In a way, Hemingway, powerful prose-writer that he was, came up with a very straightforward kind of American English.
    Hemingway felt the anxiety of the Northern European. Feeling bland and generic, he needed to be doing manly stuff like hunting and watching bullfighting. He could never return to the Midwest. He had to see war, bloodied bulls, rhinos and elephants, and fishermen in Cuba.
    Some peoples feel colorful and saucy being what they are. Italians can stay in Italy and act like Fellini movie characters and feel alive. Greeks can throw fits in Greece and feel passion. Indeed, they might want to move to Northern European nations to get away from all that excitement with everyone throwing tantrums at the drop of a hat. In contrast, a bland Northern European can get bored with himself. Now, some Northern European types like the peace and order. But some, like Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Welles, and etc. needed excitement. And they relied on other cultures that seemed wilder and crazier and more alive. It's like Sam Peckinpah felt more alive in the mythic past of his imagination or Mexico with its crime and corruption than in boring Northern California(when it was very white).

    If Hemingway sought his excitement in Spain, Africa, and Cuba, Fitzgerald sought his exoticism in Negroes. Not directly as his novels are about white folks with mostly white characters. Still, they take place during the Jazz Age when well-educated, affluent, and urbane white Americans were spending their time, energy, and money on 'race' music, though to be sure, a lot of Jazz Age music was a pastiche of lots of stuff and often not very jazzy.
    One difference between Anglo-Negro creative tension and Latin-Negro creative tension was the former resulted from starker constrasts. Unlike Anglos, the Latins already had experience with (northern) Africans and even had some African blood due to Moorish invasion. Also, Spanish and Portuguese cultures had color and flavor. Spanish had flamenco, some of it derived from Gypsies. And they had very exciting spicy music. They were flamboyant and expressive. And Portuguese were really just inferior kind of Spanish. So, when Latin flavor mixed with Afro-flavor, they understood each other better. They learned to tango very quickly. In contrast, Anglo music culture was less flavorful. Hillbilly music could be wild but it was more in the way of 'doodah doodah' like with the fellers in BLAZING SADDLES. So, the contrast between black and white was starker in American music. When we listen to Bossa Nova, Samba, or Salsa, the Latin flavor and African rhythm seems so well-synced. In contrast, there is more abrasive and subversive quality about American black music as its energies were so at odd with Anglo order and manners. Latins weren't much for order and didn't get Rule of Law, which is why Latin American needed strongmen and tyranny to keep the order.

    Anyway, even though black music/culture is at the periphery in Fitzgerald's Jazz Age works, it does inform the charged atmosphere of the times. It is an enclosed world of white privilege but where the fun depends so much on the cultural creation of a more anarchic, animal, and instinctive force. And the white world remains both apart from it and drawn to it. For white privilege to remain, whites must be mindful, orderly, and duty-bound to work, class, and manners. And yet, it is the modern age where anything goes and individual must follow his whims. The 'irresponsible' rhythms of Jazz has a loosening effect on the listeners and dancers. And esp with the Prohibition, why not get intoxicated on music if alcohol wasn't so readily available?

    Several authors have been designated as the Fitzgerald of our era. Bret Ellison and Jay McTierney. But the artist who comes closest to Fitz's spirit is maybe the film-maker Whit Stillman(and not least because he's as much a writer as director). Granted, nothing Stillman has done comes anywhere near GREAT GATSBY -- and Stillman is too much of a moralist and some consider his sensibility closer to the early 19th century one of Jane Austen -- , but like Fitzgerald, his films are acutely aware of the both the charm and deficiencies of Northern European types. LAST DAYS OF DISCO is his 'Jazz Age' movie. Just like Fitzgerald's characters are very white, so are Stillman's. And yet, the very-whites of Fitzgerald operate to the backdrop of the Jazz Age of black rhythms and sometimes Jewish gangsters. Similarly, Stillman has given us the whitest characters in movies since his METROPOLITAN. They are preppy or UHB. One cannot imagine whiter characters, and they don't even try to be anything but white. Indeed, they seem unapologetically white. And yet, their story is set against the very gay-bohemian-black world of disco. Disco is their 'jazz'. On the surface, it seems odd that such whitey-white characters who seem so preppy, well-educated, literary, and verbally-oriented spend so much time in a place of music, getting loose and funky, and weird. And yet, it makes sense. Precisely because they so deficient in color and sauce, they feel alive and thrive from the environment... of course in measured doses. They are not really OF the disco culture. The core of their lives revolve around business, government work, and etc. Even the playboy character who works in the disco club is kept around because he's a good manager. They are the bourgeoisie even though they reject the term 'yuppie'. Without such people, modern society would cease to function. They come to work everyday, they check the books, they keep the schedules, they enforce government rules, and etc. And yet, because their lives are so into bourgeois tasks and responsibilities, they can't be wildly creative. They cannot let loose and really be free. For that, they must rely on others: homos, blacks, bohemians. Homo wildness would soon lead to HIV horror. Black wildness is much related to crime and chaos. And bohemian types thrive on subversion and transgression of all sorts. But precisely because they are so unbound to rules and regulations, they can be wildly creative and come up with something like disco. Like in GREAT GATSBY, there is the Jewish 'gangster' type in LAST DAYS in the figure of the club owner. He straddles both sides of the fence. He is a businessman and knows his job. But he also likes to play loose, cheating on taxes and dealing in drugs. And yet, that shadiness of Jews had a certain allure to more straight-laced Anglos. It's like Kay in the novel of THE GODFATHER is turned on by Michael's family of crime.

    Stillman is best at working in this Fitzgerald mode. (His Hemingwayean venture in Spain with BARCELONA just didn't have the proper footwork. And his Jane Austen adaptation, though fine, is rather dull as it's monochromatic.) Stillman is very good at presenting whiteness in contrast to a culture that is both opposite yet complementary on some level. Even though Josh(the DA guy) is a moralist(who defends the old-fashioned dog in LADY/TRAMP) whose worldview might seem at odds with the disco world of hedonism & even nihilism, the looseness of the disco world completes him in some way. It fills in the gaps(like what Rocky said he and Adrian fill in the gaps). At times, he seems a morose morbid type who recites hymns from memory, but he also wants to be a part of the larger exciting world, and he feels charged by the vibes of disco. It offers escape that he can't get with anything else that brings himself closer to his gloomier and more sober side, like the long winters of Northern Europe. Disco is like artificial sunlight.
    Because the music is often in the background, we may notice it less than the characters and the conversations, but there is a strange chemistry and rebound between the very white talk and the very black music(even in the other joint after the gang gets kicked out of the disco club). Now, this has to be conscious on Stillman's part. When I was young, most white kids listened to white rock , and they mostly hated it when I turned on Four Tops or the Supremes. Now, Stillman's world is very much whiter than the one I knew, yet his elite or ex-elite white characters seem to have an easier rapport with certain kinds of black music. Indeed, the White Rockers associated with Disco Sucks is not very visible in LAST DAYS. We just see some walk by with Disco Sucks t-shirt, and they seem threatening to the movie's vision of bliss. In a way, maybe elite whites are better-positioned to enjoy black music because they are separated from the black world, whereas the working class whites, feeling more competitive on a day-to-day and street-to-street level with blacks, tend to see black stuff as the Other to be avoided. Near the end of the movie, there's a funny moment when Des(Eigeman) and Jimmy(the ad guy) are in the taxi to the airport. They are talking very-very white and discussing Shakespeare and ethics and using logic to make sense of things. Yet, the music playing is ska that is filled with carefree gibberish. The whiteness of the conversation and the blackness of the rhythm cannot be more at odds, and yet they fit together perfectly precisely because they are opposites. The anxiety of white mindfulness eased by black sense of devil-may-care.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH9nqX9sYUs

    This use of black-music as a counterpoint to white bourgeois existence was used neatly in METROPOLITAN as well. It's hard to think of anyone whiter, paler, and more bourgeois than Audrey the heroine. And yet her moment of melancholy is wonderfully conveyed by the "Dry Your Eyes".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrqUhOqEmhc

    It expresses the kind of feelings that are discouraged in the world of socialites and debutantes. It's a place where one has to repress one's true feelings -- though she loves Tom, she never says so , and even when she's hurt, she denies it -- or one where wit(a kind of repression in its own right) is essential if one is to push the boundaries of propriety. Nick(Eigman)'s transgressions are tolerated because he keeps his form. He knows how the game is played.
    So, the piece of soul music fills in the emotions that are not allowed in her world. And in a way, it's complementary because any good piece of music belongs in its own kind of aristocracy as talent is rare, and anything rare is a kind of a jewel.

    Anyway, this brings us back to Dana Stevens who is so very white. Indeed 'nice lady' is codeword for very white white woman. I'm sure she felt her very white-whiteness all her life, esp as she grew up in PC world where whiteness is suspect, like Ron Ronsenbaum freaking out about 'white turkey meat' and 'white bread', ironically in the way Hitler might have reacted to bagels and lox or matzaball soup.
    Given her bland whiteness, maybe she sought sustenance from Jewish culture. Jews got wit, Jews got wisdom(from Holocaust and all that), Jews got zaniness, Jews got larger personalities, like the Jewish woman in Woody Allen's INTERIORS who livens up a dull wasp family like Sidney Poitier brought some joy to a convent full of nuns without sodapop to sip.

    So, how traumatic it must be for Stevens to discover that this Jewish World is filled with sleaze beyond anything she could imagine. Now, Audrey in METROPOLITAN was young and sheltered. I would think Stevens, being older and having worked in the cultural community for so long, would be a bit wiser. But, PC just created this massive bubble of the mind. An iron bubble.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @guest, @Rosamond Vincy, @Alden, @Desiderius, @Che Guava

    And yet the present scandal is simply a modern-day version of Droit de Seigneur or Jus Primae Noctis–as white European a custom as you can find. If you’re a young, attractive actor or actress, you’re just another peasant and ought to be ‘Umbly grateful when your Betters deign to exploit you.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Rosamond Vincy

    "Right of First Night" is B.S., but even in mythological form it's not peculiar to white European pseudo-custom. You find the fiction in other cultures, too.

    , @Alden
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Droit de Seigneur never existed. The term and idea was created by Voltaire in the 18th century as part of his revolution propaganda work for Phillip d'Orleans the George Soros of the day.

    it's just a myth and a lie. In Orthodox Bulgaria there was a custom among the peasantry, not the gentry that young husbands could not sleep with their wives until their Fathers, the bride's father in law had her first for as long as he wished.

    But that was the peasants and an ancient pagan holdover.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    , @Alden
    @Rosamond Vincy

    People who make historical references should know what they are writing about. Never happened.

  247. @Expletive Deleted
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Just run an image search for book covers and broken mirrors. It's pretty much the default title for (a) pop-psychology self-help pablum and (b) bodice-rippers and other turgid fictions constructed solely for the "older women's" market. Big Film is pretty much of a piece with that sort of stuff.

    Which leads us to the question; why does the idea of one's admired and perpetually-checked image being disrupted have such an impact and cause so much angst? (Women are entirely subjective in their thought-processes; all the mirrors in the world contain the portrait of just one special person).

    Mirrors have been a prime signifier of female identity (in Europe) since the late bronze age at least, goddesses carry them, and so do tombstones, even among remote savages (Picts cough cough). Hard to smash a cast bronze one, mind you. An acid attack would do the trick.

    Replies: @Mike Zwick

    Mirror, mirror on the wall, who’s the fairest one of all?

  248. Mirror, mirror on the wall, who’s the fairest one of all?

    Or “I am the prettiest one,” the Canadian version thereof:

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1987-11-01/features/8703230167_1_lymph-nodes-gay-bar-gay-men

  249. a 30-year side career as a deliberate and ruthless sexual predator. …

    Ask her whom she voted for in 1992, 1996, 2000, and 2016. Probably wasn’t Pat Buchanan.

  250. @Rosamond Vincy
    @Anon

    And yet the present scandal is simply a modern-day version of Droit de Seigneur or Jus Primae Noctis--as white European a custom as you can find. If you're a young, attractive actor or actress, you're just another peasant and ought to be 'Umbly grateful when your Betters deign to exploit you.

    Replies: @guest, @Alden, @Alden

    “Right of First Night” is B.S., but even in mythological form it’s not peculiar to white European pseudo-custom. You find the fiction in other cultures, too.

  251. @BB753
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I wonder if Priss Factory has ever met an actual Englishman (or Scotsman for that matter). Nothing bland, dull, or boring about these Northern Europeans. Yes, the original "Anglos" were and are still to a large degree "flamboyant, expressive" and witty. Vibrant if you wish. Just as old-school Wasps used to be, before they entered terminal decline sometime during the last two generations, perhaps due to Jewish competition and alcoholism. (BTW, Catholic Germans, Belgians, Dutchmen, and Danes are also fun to be around. Seriously, boredom is a tropical thing. The closer to the Equator, the duller the people. I've been around).
    I mean, Priss ought to stop seeing the world exclusively through the lens of Hollywood.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So that’s why you initially left a cryptic “Disagree” after Priss’s comment. If someone types 3500 words worth responding to in any way, a few words of your own could be edifying as to what you disagree with.

    Tom Townsend, Metropolitan:

    If someone takes the trouble to write you a
    substantial letter, you do not throw it out.

    All kidding aside— Priss eloquently described the zeitgeist in much of ‘whitebread’ upper middle-class contemporary postwar America. You switched the subject to (geographical) Northern Europeans. Priss’s observations need not by countered by a heated defense of Britons and Teutons—his arch descriptions of ‘boring’ competence are actually sly compliments in contrast with the hinted abyss of The Rest.

    He compellingly explains the caveat that in at least some of the “UHB” class there’s a type of ‘elite’ white psyche that seeks exotic novelty that can possibly invite chaos—and which may actually be shocked when the chaos gets real.

  252. @Harry Baldwin
    @Clyde

    when he was young when girls rejected fatso him and his acne scarred face

    Was there ever a point in his youth that he was good looking? If so, I haven't seen the photo.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Was there ever a point in his youth that he was good looking? If so, I haven’t seen the photo.

    He was a hefty and dynamic guy in the 1990s that was decent enough looking because his hair was dark and more of it. He was a charismatic deal maker and producer. Con artist and this is where the young actresses come in.

  253. @Bill
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    He's talking to the author of the article Steve is quoting. Tiny Duck voted for Trump. Truth voted for Lenora Fulani (again). Corvinus can't vote because of that unfortunate misunderstanding with the racist cop. But if he could, he would vote for Authentic Jazz Man or maybe Epic Beard Man.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    You made me laugh out loud. Thanks.

  254. @Anonymous
    @Hibernian

    At first, Reformed and Protestant Christianity had a healthy attitude toward "Modern Judaism" (e.g., Talmudism) but it slowly got cucked with a little help from probably Jewish /marrano influences. The "British Israel" movement produced both the virulently anti-Talmudist Christian Identity movement, but much more influentially the modern "Christian Zionist" and premillennial tribulationist movements, beginning with Darby and the God-damned Scofield Reference Bible.

    Since after WWII televangelism became the driving force of "evangelical" Protestantism, the fact that televangelists and TV "ministries" spouting CZ and other Israel-worshipping, hypercucked pro-Zionist are the only ones that seem to get media access. Anyone skeptical of this theology or of pouring unlimited money and blood into Israel winds up out of the insanely lucrative televangelsit bsiness and preaching to a marginal rural congregation.

    Replies: @Alden

    I think reason the holy roller preachers are zionist is more bribe money from ADL AJC and AIPAC than the Scofield bible. How can anyone believe the bible? Very interesting what you wrote about preachers bing banned from TV unless they are pro Israel. I never thought of that. But then I don’t watch TV preachers.

    When I was 6 in Sunday School I didn’t know anything about sex. But I thought Mary had a boyfriend somewhere who got her pregnant instead of God. And some of the OT, horrible, horrible stories. Read the Book of Dinah. Her father tells her to seduce a goy boy. She does. His whole tribe agrees to be circumsised. On the third day when all the men and boys of the goy tribe were laid low with infections the Jew Tribe slaughtered the Goy tribe.

    Wonderful stories for a child.

  255. @Rosamond Vincy
    @Anon

    And yet the present scandal is simply a modern-day version of Droit de Seigneur or Jus Primae Noctis--as white European a custom as you can find. If you're a young, attractive actor or actress, you're just another peasant and ought to be 'Umbly grateful when your Betters deign to exploit you.

    Replies: @guest, @Alden, @Alden

    Droit de Seigneur never existed. The term and idea was created by Voltaire in the 18th century as part of his revolution propaganda work for Phillip d’Orleans the George Soros of the day.

    it’s just a myth and a lie. In Orthodox Bulgaria there was a custom among the peasantry, not the gentry that young husbands could not sleep with their wives until their Fathers, the bride’s father in law had her first for as long as he wished.

    But that was the peasants and an ancient pagan holdover.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Alden

    It may never have been the on-the-books law depicted in _The Warlord_, _Braveheart_, etc., but Swift refers to the assumption English landlords held that it was perfectly acceptable to enjoy their female Irish tenants, and implies that this may have led to unacknowledged multigenerational incest.

    A similar notion held in the pre-War South, where both real-life diarist Mary Boykin Chesnut and GWTW's Grandma Fontaine made snotty remarks about the prevalence of "yellow" babies.

  256. @Anon
    Stevens is someone who blames Reagan-Era Indifference for the HIV disaster in the homo community.

    PC as status marker blinds many eyes.

    It's like the reluctance among Catholics to believe in abusive priests. Why? After all, priests are supposed to be selfless holy men? Could they really do such a thing?

    And so many people, even intelligent ones, simply wouldn't believe that Lenin and Stalin could do the things they did. After all, the communist revolution was about love and progress.

    And Hollywood has become like the new church for Progs. Even as culture critics like Stevens like to poke fun at Hollywood for its crassness, it is their church with all the Libby stars and artists and celebs. And Oscar ceremony is like open season on Square America.

    Stevens is blind to how much homos were responsible for the HIV mess since one of the status markers of progs has been to treat homos like saints, angels, and the rightful true aristocrats filled with so much creativity and sass.

    Part of her problem is the unbearable whiteness of being. Because she is white-bread and part of the disfavored race, she feels a need to attach herself to the Other to feel justified, redeemed, and revitalized. She is too 'white'. (If someone is alt-right, he is 'hu-white', and that comes with real blood and soil vitamins, but libby-dibs don't have that. They feel deficient in Vitamin Diversity.) It's no wonder she connected with Oshima's IN THE REALM OF THE SENSELESS. It was exotic, extreme, and demented. Her appreciation meant she wasn't just some 'white bread' girl from the prairies.
    Some white libby-dibs even say white people have no culture. This is both self-debasement and boast.

    https://redice.tv/news/official-working-for-the-swedish-government-there-is-no-native-swedish-culture

    It is self-debasement for obvious reasons. I mean every people have a unique culture. For example, even if Swedish language is part of the larger Germanic family and even if Christianity came from elsewhere, the Swedes made it their own through practice. It's like blacks took white music and made it their own, and whites took black music and made it their own. It's like Japan took stuff from China and India(Buddhism) and molded it in their own way. A culture can be borrowed from another people and come to be owned by process of digestion and adaptation. Judaism itself is a creative patchwork of myths and stories Jews picked up from other tribes. Jews combined them with their own myth. But for some reason, some idiot Swedes and whites say they got no culture because much of Northern European Culture originated from the South in Greece or Near East.
    But if a people take a culture and mold it through their own history and experience, it becomes theirs. It's like two people can become Muslims and have their own unique experience and understanding of the religion. In more recent times, so much of white music owes to black influence and so much of European pop owes to American influence. Still, every people do their own thing with it, and it becomes theirs in time.

    But in another way, this notion of whites having no culture is a kind of boast. It really means whites are beyond culture, an atavistic notion. After all, culture is specific, rooted, and limiting. It has bounds and identities. It has traditions and customs. All such serve as brakes on individual freedom. In contrast, a truly free and independent individual thinks rationally and arrives at his truth through intellect and agency. He doesn't rely on received culture to tell him right or wrong.
    To be sure, not all beyond-culturists are interested in intellect or truth. Some are more into fun and sensations, and they want to find it wherever they can. So, they prefer to try all kinds of foods, listen to all kinds of music, have sex with all sorts of people to find the best and most fun. Culture is an obstacle to such freewheeling venture.

    So, when white libby-dibs say they got no culture, it's both self-debasing humility and conceited boast. By praising OTHER cultures over white stuff, they wanna seem open-minded and appreciative. But then, by dispensing with any sense of obligation to their own race and culture, they see themselves as the most liberated and free individuals on earth unbound to any 'essentialism'.

    Anyway, this sense of cultural blandess may be a bigger thing among Northern European types. They may feel more white-bread and lifeless because they are pale of skin, angular in features(without exotic features of swarthier southern Europeans), and more even in temperament. (Semites are naturally more expressive, and Negroes are wild. Asians and 'Injuns' may not be expressive but their silence may be mistaken for profound inscrutability.) We like to see movies about Italians like in GOODFELLAS because they got big colorful personalities. But most people aren't keen on watching movies about nice Swedish-Americans. FARGO made it halfway interesting by presenting them as pathologically normal, always ready to say Yah and get along with neighbors.

    In a way, the bland white way proved to be the best formula for economic growth, social stability, political governance, and rule of law. After all, such people are most likely to be hardworking, mindful, conscientious, and neighborly. And usually polite and mannered. But it also means not-much-fun, not much eventfulness, not much in terms of crisis. So, northern European white bread bland types make the best bourgeois material and were behind the creation of US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. And social democracy in Sweden and Holland. And stability in post-war Germany. All very nice. But a well-oiled machine is predictable. It has its schedules, duties, and routines.
    That's not very fun or entertaining. It's no wonder Greeks invented drama. It's all about crisis and even madness and violence and things falling apart. It's like Kubrick films would be boring if not for the mounting crisis. There is a order that seems to be working according to plan, but things eventually begin to fall apart and blow up. Without HAL going nuts, 2001 would just be a bunch of guys doing a good job manning a spaceship. It'd be boring.
    Since northern European types became good at managing, organizing, coordinating, and maintaining, they became deficient in being fun by acting wild and crazy. Now, as long as their world was all they knew, they could carry on as usual. But once they became aware of the other world that came with temptations, they faced a crisis of culture. It's like the community in BABETTE'S FEAST was doing just fine, and everyone had his or her place. But the French woman came with all that yummy stuff and changed the sensory perceptions of the townsfolk. (The temptations get even wilder in THE BOUNTY where the Hopkins character grows anxious as his men get too chummy with the natives like it's Woodstock or something.)The northern-euro-community has much that is good and admirable. But it's not a place for fun or relaxation. It's a very mindful place where everyone has to be conscientious of his or her duties. And English societies were like this, at least in the movies and TV shows about the past. (Maybe Swedes in Sweden and Minnesota wanna bring more Africans as the fun-sun-people who will add glow and beat to cold dull Northern European life.)

    Northern Europeans were a very capable people who could build and manage things. But their commitment to order, harmony, and manners suppressed and discouraged the kind of wilder expressions that were more fun. Since music is more barbaric and images are more anarchic, Northern Europeans favored language as the favored expression. Germans were the exception with their great music, but even so, German Classical Music isn't exactly fun or something you can dance to. Also, the Northern European use of language, esp among the Brits, was more mindful of the perimeters and barriers. It was like Equestrian event where horses have to jump over certain obstacles in pre-coordinated space. So even as Brits came up with lots of literary wits, the style felt hemmed and restricted. A freer use of English arose in America, and much of this owed to ignorance. Americans without much learning got creative, like in HUCKLEBERRY FINN. And Negroes added their lingo. And immigrants with their ways of talking English changed it even more. Oddly enough, the addition of more color to English also made it more bland, at least officially. Since America needed a standard English for All Americans of various origins, it had to be as generic as possible. (It's like Mao tried to come up with more generic Chinese in the new China were everyone, not just the literati, was supposed to learn how to read and write.) As each ethnic group was mangling(and sometimes unwittingly enriching)English in their own way, it became more imperative to develop a generic American English that would be most easily accessible and applicable to all races and classes.
    Even so, various ethnic communities, Negroes, and hillbillies maintained their own way of talking. But white Anglos in the North and Midwest adopted the most generic kind of English. In a way, Hemingway, powerful prose-writer that he was, came up with a very straightforward kind of American English.
    Hemingway felt the anxiety of the Northern European. Feeling bland and generic, he needed to be doing manly stuff like hunting and watching bullfighting. He could never return to the Midwest. He had to see war, bloodied bulls, rhinos and elephants, and fishermen in Cuba.
    Some peoples feel colorful and saucy being what they are. Italians can stay in Italy and act like Fellini movie characters and feel alive. Greeks can throw fits in Greece and feel passion. Indeed, they might want to move to Northern European nations to get away from all that excitement with everyone throwing tantrums at the drop of a hat. In contrast, a bland Northern European can get bored with himself. Now, some Northern European types like the peace and order. But some, like Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Welles, and etc. needed excitement. And they relied on other cultures that seemed wilder and crazier and more alive. It's like Sam Peckinpah felt more alive in the mythic past of his imagination or Mexico with its crime and corruption than in boring Northern California(when it was very white).

    If Hemingway sought his excitement in Spain, Africa, and Cuba, Fitzgerald sought his exoticism in Negroes. Not directly as his novels are about white folks with mostly white characters. Still, they take place during the Jazz Age when well-educated, affluent, and urbane white Americans were spending their time, energy, and money on 'race' music, though to be sure, a lot of Jazz Age music was a pastiche of lots of stuff and often not very jazzy.
    One difference between Anglo-Negro creative tension and Latin-Negro creative tension was the former resulted from starker constrasts. Unlike Anglos, the Latins already had experience with (northern) Africans and even had some African blood due to Moorish invasion. Also, Spanish and Portuguese cultures had color and flavor. Spanish had flamenco, some of it derived from Gypsies. And they had very exciting spicy music. They were flamboyant and expressive. And Portuguese were really just inferior kind of Spanish. So, when Latin flavor mixed with Afro-flavor, they understood each other better. They learned to tango very quickly. In contrast, Anglo music culture was less flavorful. Hillbilly music could be wild but it was more in the way of 'doodah doodah' like with the fellers in BLAZING SADDLES. So, the contrast between black and white was starker in American music. When we listen to Bossa Nova, Samba, or Salsa, the Latin flavor and African rhythm seems so well-synced. In contrast, there is more abrasive and subversive quality about American black music as its energies were so at odd with Anglo order and manners. Latins weren't much for order and didn't get Rule of Law, which is why Latin American needed strongmen and tyranny to keep the order.

    Anyway, even though black music/culture is at the periphery in Fitzgerald's Jazz Age works, it does inform the charged atmosphere of the times. It is an enclosed world of white privilege but where the fun depends so much on the cultural creation of a more anarchic, animal, and instinctive force. And the white world remains both apart from it and drawn to it. For white privilege to remain, whites must be mindful, orderly, and duty-bound to work, class, and manners. And yet, it is the modern age where anything goes and individual must follow his whims. The 'irresponsible' rhythms of Jazz has a loosening effect on the listeners and dancers. And esp with the Prohibition, why not get intoxicated on music if alcohol wasn't so readily available?

    Several authors have been designated as the Fitzgerald of our era. Bret Ellison and Jay McTierney. But the artist who comes closest to Fitz's spirit is maybe the film-maker Whit Stillman(and not least because he's as much a writer as director). Granted, nothing Stillman has done comes anywhere near GREAT GATSBY -- and Stillman is too much of a moralist and some consider his sensibility closer to the early 19th century one of Jane Austen -- , but like Fitzgerald, his films are acutely aware of the both the charm and deficiencies of Northern European types. LAST DAYS OF DISCO is his 'Jazz Age' movie. Just like Fitzgerald's characters are very white, so are Stillman's. And yet, the very-whites of Fitzgerald operate to the backdrop of the Jazz Age of black rhythms and sometimes Jewish gangsters. Similarly, Stillman has given us the whitest characters in movies since his METROPOLITAN. They are preppy or UHB. One cannot imagine whiter characters, and they don't even try to be anything but white. Indeed, they seem unapologetically white. And yet, their story is set against the very gay-bohemian-black world of disco. Disco is their 'jazz'. On the surface, it seems odd that such whitey-white characters who seem so preppy, well-educated, literary, and verbally-oriented spend so much time in a place of music, getting loose and funky, and weird. And yet, it makes sense. Precisely because they so deficient in color and sauce, they feel alive and thrive from the environment... of course in measured doses. They are not really OF the disco culture. The core of their lives revolve around business, government work, and etc. Even the playboy character who works in the disco club is kept around because he's a good manager. They are the bourgeoisie even though they reject the term 'yuppie'. Without such people, modern society would cease to function. They come to work everyday, they check the books, they keep the schedules, they enforce government rules, and etc. And yet, because their lives are so into bourgeois tasks and responsibilities, they can't be wildly creative. They cannot let loose and really be free. For that, they must rely on others: homos, blacks, bohemians. Homo wildness would soon lead to HIV horror. Black wildness is much related to crime and chaos. And bohemian types thrive on subversion and transgression of all sorts. But precisely because they are so unbound to rules and regulations, they can be wildly creative and come up with something like disco. Like in GREAT GATSBY, there is the Jewish 'gangster' type in LAST DAYS in the figure of the club owner. He straddles both sides of the fence. He is a businessman and knows his job. But he also likes to play loose, cheating on taxes and dealing in drugs. And yet, that shadiness of Jews had a certain allure to more straight-laced Anglos. It's like Kay in the novel of THE GODFATHER is turned on by Michael's family of crime.

    Stillman is best at working in this Fitzgerald mode. (His Hemingwayean venture in Spain with BARCELONA just didn't have the proper footwork. And his Jane Austen adaptation, though fine, is rather dull as it's monochromatic.) Stillman is very good at presenting whiteness in contrast to a culture that is both opposite yet complementary on some level. Even though Josh(the DA guy) is a moralist(who defends the old-fashioned dog in LADY/TRAMP) whose worldview might seem at odds with the disco world of hedonism & even nihilism, the looseness of the disco world completes him in some way. It fills in the gaps(like what Rocky said he and Adrian fill in the gaps). At times, he seems a morose morbid type who recites hymns from memory, but he also wants to be a part of the larger exciting world, and he feels charged by the vibes of disco. It offers escape that he can't get with anything else that brings himself closer to his gloomier and more sober side, like the long winters of Northern Europe. Disco is like artificial sunlight.
    Because the music is often in the background, we may notice it less than the characters and the conversations, but there is a strange chemistry and rebound between the very white talk and the very black music(even in the other joint after the gang gets kicked out of the disco club). Now, this has to be conscious on Stillman's part. When I was young, most white kids listened to white rock , and they mostly hated it when I turned on Four Tops or the Supremes. Now, Stillman's world is very much whiter than the one I knew, yet his elite or ex-elite white characters seem to have an easier rapport with certain kinds of black music. Indeed, the White Rockers associated with Disco Sucks is not very visible in LAST DAYS. We just see some walk by with Disco Sucks t-shirt, and they seem threatening to the movie's vision of bliss. In a way, maybe elite whites are better-positioned to enjoy black music because they are separated from the black world, whereas the working class whites, feeling more competitive on a day-to-day and street-to-street level with blacks, tend to see black stuff as the Other to be avoided. Near the end of the movie, there's a funny moment when Des(Eigeman) and Jimmy(the ad guy) are in the taxi to the airport. They are talking very-very white and discussing Shakespeare and ethics and using logic to make sense of things. Yet, the music playing is ska that is filled with carefree gibberish. The whiteness of the conversation and the blackness of the rhythm cannot be more at odds, and yet they fit together perfectly precisely because they are opposites. The anxiety of white mindfulness eased by black sense of devil-may-care.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH9nqX9sYUs

    This use of black-music as a counterpoint to white bourgeois existence was used neatly in METROPOLITAN as well. It's hard to think of anyone whiter, paler, and more bourgeois than Audrey the heroine. And yet her moment of melancholy is wonderfully conveyed by the "Dry Your Eyes".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrqUhOqEmhc

    It expresses the kind of feelings that are discouraged in the world of socialites and debutantes. It's a place where one has to repress one's true feelings -- though she loves Tom, she never says so , and even when she's hurt, she denies it -- or one where wit(a kind of repression in its own right) is essential if one is to push the boundaries of propriety. Nick(Eigman)'s transgressions are tolerated because he keeps his form. He knows how the game is played.
    So, the piece of soul music fills in the emotions that are not allowed in her world. And in a way, it's complementary because any good piece of music belongs in its own kind of aristocracy as talent is rare, and anything rare is a kind of a jewel.

    Anyway, this brings us back to Dana Stevens who is so very white. Indeed 'nice lady' is codeword for very white white woman. I'm sure she felt her very white-whiteness all her life, esp as she grew up in PC world where whiteness is suspect, like Ron Ronsenbaum freaking out about 'white turkey meat' and 'white bread', ironically in the way Hitler might have reacted to bagels and lox or matzaball soup.
    Given her bland whiteness, maybe she sought sustenance from Jewish culture. Jews got wit, Jews got wisdom(from Holocaust and all that), Jews got zaniness, Jews got larger personalities, like the Jewish woman in Woody Allen's INTERIORS who livens up a dull wasp family like Sidney Poitier brought some joy to a convent full of nuns without sodapop to sip.

    So, how traumatic it must be for Stevens to discover that this Jewish World is filled with sleaze beyond anything she could imagine. Now, Audrey in METROPOLITAN was young and sheltered. I would think Stevens, being older and having worked in the cultural community for so long, would be a bit wiser. But, PC just created this massive bubble of the mind. An iron bubble.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @guest, @Rosamond Vincy, @Alden, @Desiderius, @Che Guava

    Which Jane Austen movie? Some of them are absolutely horrible.

  257. @Rosamond Vincy
    @Anon

    And yet the present scandal is simply a modern-day version of Droit de Seigneur or Jus Primae Noctis--as white European a custom as you can find. If you're a young, attractive actor or actress, you're just another peasant and ought to be 'Umbly grateful when your Betters deign to exploit you.

    Replies: @guest, @Alden, @Alden

    People who make historical references should know what they are writing about. Never happened.

  258. @guest
    @anon

    "Rhett Butler forced himself on Scarlett"

    They were married at the time. She consented at the altar.

    Replies: @Alden

    GTWW was a novel. And it had too many blacks and their irritating dialect in it.

  259. @Anon
    Stevens is someone who blames Reagan-Era Indifference for the HIV disaster in the homo community.

    PC as status marker blinds many eyes.

    It's like the reluctance among Catholics to believe in abusive priests. Why? After all, priests are supposed to be selfless holy men? Could they really do such a thing?

    And so many people, even intelligent ones, simply wouldn't believe that Lenin and Stalin could do the things they did. After all, the communist revolution was about love and progress.

    And Hollywood has become like the new church for Progs. Even as culture critics like Stevens like to poke fun at Hollywood for its crassness, it is their church with all the Libby stars and artists and celebs. And Oscar ceremony is like open season on Square America.

    Stevens is blind to how much homos were responsible for the HIV mess since one of the status markers of progs has been to treat homos like saints, angels, and the rightful true aristocrats filled with so much creativity and sass.

    Part of her problem is the unbearable whiteness of being. Because she is white-bread and part of the disfavored race, she feels a need to attach herself to the Other to feel justified, redeemed, and revitalized. She is too 'white'. (If someone is alt-right, he is 'hu-white', and that comes with real blood and soil vitamins, but libby-dibs don't have that. They feel deficient in Vitamin Diversity.) It's no wonder she connected with Oshima's IN THE REALM OF THE SENSELESS. It was exotic, extreme, and demented. Her appreciation meant she wasn't just some 'white bread' girl from the prairies.
    Some white libby-dibs even say white people have no culture. This is both self-debasement and boast.

    https://redice.tv/news/official-working-for-the-swedish-government-there-is-no-native-swedish-culture

    It is self-debasement for obvious reasons. I mean every people have a unique culture. For example, even if Swedish language is part of the larger Germanic family and even if Christianity came from elsewhere, the Swedes made it their own through practice. It's like blacks took white music and made it their own, and whites took black music and made it their own. It's like Japan took stuff from China and India(Buddhism) and molded it in their own way. A culture can be borrowed from another people and come to be owned by process of digestion and adaptation. Judaism itself is a creative patchwork of myths and stories Jews picked up from other tribes. Jews combined them with their own myth. But for some reason, some idiot Swedes and whites say they got no culture because much of Northern European Culture originated from the South in Greece or Near East.
    But if a people take a culture and mold it through their own history and experience, it becomes theirs. It's like two people can become Muslims and have their own unique experience and understanding of the religion. In more recent times, so much of white music owes to black influence and so much of European pop owes to American influence. Still, every people do their own thing with it, and it becomes theirs in time.

    But in another way, this notion of whites having no culture is a kind of boast. It really means whites are beyond culture, an atavistic notion. After all, culture is specific, rooted, and limiting. It has bounds and identities. It has traditions and customs. All such serve as brakes on individual freedom. In contrast, a truly free and independent individual thinks rationally and arrives at his truth through intellect and agency. He doesn't rely on received culture to tell him right or wrong.
    To be sure, not all beyond-culturists are interested in intellect or truth. Some are more into fun and sensations, and they want to find it wherever they can. So, they prefer to try all kinds of foods, listen to all kinds of music, have sex with all sorts of people to find the best and most fun. Culture is an obstacle to such freewheeling venture.

    So, when white libby-dibs say they got no culture, it's both self-debasing humility and conceited boast. By praising OTHER cultures over white stuff, they wanna seem open-minded and appreciative. But then, by dispensing with any sense of obligation to their own race and culture, they see themselves as the most liberated and free individuals on earth unbound to any 'essentialism'.

    Anyway, this sense of cultural blandess may be a bigger thing among Northern European types. They may feel more white-bread and lifeless because they are pale of skin, angular in features(without exotic features of swarthier southern Europeans), and more even in temperament. (Semites are naturally more expressive, and Negroes are wild. Asians and 'Injuns' may not be expressive but their silence may be mistaken for profound inscrutability.) We like to see movies about Italians like in GOODFELLAS because they got big colorful personalities. But most people aren't keen on watching movies about nice Swedish-Americans. FARGO made it halfway interesting by presenting them as pathologically normal, always ready to say Yah and get along with neighbors.

    In a way, the bland white way proved to be the best formula for economic growth, social stability, political governance, and rule of law. After all, such people are most likely to be hardworking, mindful, conscientious, and neighborly. And usually polite and mannered. But it also means not-much-fun, not much eventfulness, not much in terms of crisis. So, northern European white bread bland types make the best bourgeois material and were behind the creation of US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. And social democracy in Sweden and Holland. And stability in post-war Germany. All very nice. But a well-oiled machine is predictable. It has its schedules, duties, and routines.
    That's not very fun or entertaining. It's no wonder Greeks invented drama. It's all about crisis and even madness and violence and things falling apart. It's like Kubrick films would be boring if not for the mounting crisis. There is a order that seems to be working according to plan, but things eventually begin to fall apart and blow up. Without HAL going nuts, 2001 would just be a bunch of guys doing a good job manning a spaceship. It'd be boring.
    Since northern European types became good at managing, organizing, coordinating, and maintaining, they became deficient in being fun by acting wild and crazy. Now, as long as their world was all they knew, they could carry on as usual. But once they became aware of the other world that came with temptations, they faced a crisis of culture. It's like the community in BABETTE'S FEAST was doing just fine, and everyone had his or her place. But the French woman came with all that yummy stuff and changed the sensory perceptions of the townsfolk. (The temptations get even wilder in THE BOUNTY where the Hopkins character grows anxious as his men get too chummy with the natives like it's Woodstock or something.)The northern-euro-community has much that is good and admirable. But it's not a place for fun or relaxation. It's a very mindful place where everyone has to be conscientious of his or her duties. And English societies were like this, at least in the movies and TV shows about the past. (Maybe Swedes in Sweden and Minnesota wanna bring more Africans as the fun-sun-people who will add glow and beat to cold dull Northern European life.)

    Northern Europeans were a very capable people who could build and manage things. But their commitment to order, harmony, and manners suppressed and discouraged the kind of wilder expressions that were more fun. Since music is more barbaric and images are more anarchic, Northern Europeans favored language as the favored expression. Germans were the exception with their great music, but even so, German Classical Music isn't exactly fun or something you can dance to. Also, the Northern European use of language, esp among the Brits, was more mindful of the perimeters and barriers. It was like Equestrian event where horses have to jump over certain obstacles in pre-coordinated space. So even as Brits came up with lots of literary wits, the style felt hemmed and restricted. A freer use of English arose in America, and much of this owed to ignorance. Americans without much learning got creative, like in HUCKLEBERRY FINN. And Negroes added their lingo. And immigrants with their ways of talking English changed it even more. Oddly enough, the addition of more color to English also made it more bland, at least officially. Since America needed a standard English for All Americans of various origins, it had to be as generic as possible. (It's like Mao tried to come up with more generic Chinese in the new China were everyone, not just the literati, was supposed to learn how to read and write.) As each ethnic group was mangling(and sometimes unwittingly enriching)English in their own way, it became more imperative to develop a generic American English that would be most easily accessible and applicable to all races and classes.
    Even so, various ethnic communities, Negroes, and hillbillies maintained their own way of talking. But white Anglos in the North and Midwest adopted the most generic kind of English. In a way, Hemingway, powerful prose-writer that he was, came up with a very straightforward kind of American English.
    Hemingway felt the anxiety of the Northern European. Feeling bland and generic, he needed to be doing manly stuff like hunting and watching bullfighting. He could never return to the Midwest. He had to see war, bloodied bulls, rhinos and elephants, and fishermen in Cuba.
    Some peoples feel colorful and saucy being what they are. Italians can stay in Italy and act like Fellini movie characters and feel alive. Greeks can throw fits in Greece and feel passion. Indeed, they might want to move to Northern European nations to get away from all that excitement with everyone throwing tantrums at the drop of a hat. In contrast, a bland Northern European can get bored with himself. Now, some Northern European types like the peace and order. But some, like Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Welles, and etc. needed excitement. And they relied on other cultures that seemed wilder and crazier and more alive. It's like Sam Peckinpah felt more alive in the mythic past of his imagination or Mexico with its crime and corruption than in boring Northern California(when it was very white).

    If Hemingway sought his excitement in Spain, Africa, and Cuba, Fitzgerald sought his exoticism in Negroes. Not directly as his novels are about white folks with mostly white characters. Still, they take place during the Jazz Age when well-educated, affluent, and urbane white Americans were spending their time, energy, and money on 'race' music, though to be sure, a lot of Jazz Age music was a pastiche of lots of stuff and often not very jazzy.
    One difference between Anglo-Negro creative tension and Latin-Negro creative tension was the former resulted from starker constrasts. Unlike Anglos, the Latins already had experience with (northern) Africans and even had some African blood due to Moorish invasion. Also, Spanish and Portuguese cultures had color and flavor. Spanish had flamenco, some of it derived from Gypsies. And they had very exciting spicy music. They were flamboyant and expressive. And Portuguese were really just inferior kind of Spanish. So, when Latin flavor mixed with Afro-flavor, they understood each other better. They learned to tango very quickly. In contrast, Anglo music culture was less flavorful. Hillbilly music could be wild but it was more in the way of 'doodah doodah' like with the fellers in BLAZING SADDLES. So, the contrast between black and white was starker in American music. When we listen to Bossa Nova, Samba, or Salsa, the Latin flavor and African rhythm seems so well-synced. In contrast, there is more abrasive and subversive quality about American black music as its energies were so at odd with Anglo order and manners. Latins weren't much for order and didn't get Rule of Law, which is why Latin American needed strongmen and tyranny to keep the order.

    Anyway, even though black music/culture is at the periphery in Fitzgerald's Jazz Age works, it does inform the charged atmosphere of the times. It is an enclosed world of white privilege but where the fun depends so much on the cultural creation of a more anarchic, animal, and instinctive force. And the white world remains both apart from it and drawn to it. For white privilege to remain, whites must be mindful, orderly, and duty-bound to work, class, and manners. And yet, it is the modern age where anything goes and individual must follow his whims. The 'irresponsible' rhythms of Jazz has a loosening effect on the listeners and dancers. And esp with the Prohibition, why not get intoxicated on music if alcohol wasn't so readily available?

    Several authors have been designated as the Fitzgerald of our era. Bret Ellison and Jay McTierney. But the artist who comes closest to Fitz's spirit is maybe the film-maker Whit Stillman(and not least because he's as much a writer as director). Granted, nothing Stillman has done comes anywhere near GREAT GATSBY -- and Stillman is too much of a moralist and some consider his sensibility closer to the early 19th century one of Jane Austen -- , but like Fitzgerald, his films are acutely aware of the both the charm and deficiencies of Northern European types. LAST DAYS OF DISCO is his 'Jazz Age' movie. Just like Fitzgerald's characters are very white, so are Stillman's. And yet, the very-whites of Fitzgerald operate to the backdrop of the Jazz Age of black rhythms and sometimes Jewish gangsters. Similarly, Stillman has given us the whitest characters in movies since his METROPOLITAN. They are preppy or UHB. One cannot imagine whiter characters, and they don't even try to be anything but white. Indeed, they seem unapologetically white. And yet, their story is set against the very gay-bohemian-black world of disco. Disco is their 'jazz'. On the surface, it seems odd that such whitey-white characters who seem so preppy, well-educated, literary, and verbally-oriented spend so much time in a place of music, getting loose and funky, and weird. And yet, it makes sense. Precisely because they so deficient in color and sauce, they feel alive and thrive from the environment... of course in measured doses. They are not really OF the disco culture. The core of their lives revolve around business, government work, and etc. Even the playboy character who works in the disco club is kept around because he's a good manager. They are the bourgeoisie even though they reject the term 'yuppie'. Without such people, modern society would cease to function. They come to work everyday, they check the books, they keep the schedules, they enforce government rules, and etc. And yet, because their lives are so into bourgeois tasks and responsibilities, they can't be wildly creative. They cannot let loose and really be free. For that, they must rely on others: homos, blacks, bohemians. Homo wildness would soon lead to HIV horror. Black wildness is much related to crime and chaos. And bohemian types thrive on subversion and transgression of all sorts. But precisely because they are so unbound to rules and regulations, they can be wildly creative and come up with something like disco. Like in GREAT GATSBY, there is the Jewish 'gangster' type in LAST DAYS in the figure of the club owner. He straddles both sides of the fence. He is a businessman and knows his job. But he also likes to play loose, cheating on taxes and dealing in drugs. And yet, that shadiness of Jews had a certain allure to more straight-laced Anglos. It's like Kay in the novel of THE GODFATHER is turned on by Michael's family of crime.

    Stillman is best at working in this Fitzgerald mode. (His Hemingwayean venture in Spain with BARCELONA just didn't have the proper footwork. And his Jane Austen adaptation, though fine, is rather dull as it's monochromatic.) Stillman is very good at presenting whiteness in contrast to a culture that is both opposite yet complementary on some level. Even though Josh(the DA guy) is a moralist(who defends the old-fashioned dog in LADY/TRAMP) whose worldview might seem at odds with the disco world of hedonism & even nihilism, the looseness of the disco world completes him in some way. It fills in the gaps(like what Rocky said he and Adrian fill in the gaps). At times, he seems a morose morbid type who recites hymns from memory, but he also wants to be a part of the larger exciting world, and he feels charged by the vibes of disco. It offers escape that he can't get with anything else that brings himself closer to his gloomier and more sober side, like the long winters of Northern Europe. Disco is like artificial sunlight.
    Because the music is often in the background, we may notice it less than the characters and the conversations, but there is a strange chemistry and rebound between the very white talk and the very black music(even in the other joint after the gang gets kicked out of the disco club). Now, this has to be conscious on Stillman's part. When I was young, most white kids listened to white rock , and they mostly hated it when I turned on Four Tops or the Supremes. Now, Stillman's world is very much whiter than the one I knew, yet his elite or ex-elite white characters seem to have an easier rapport with certain kinds of black music. Indeed, the White Rockers associated with Disco Sucks is not very visible in LAST DAYS. We just see some walk by with Disco Sucks t-shirt, and they seem threatening to the movie's vision of bliss. In a way, maybe elite whites are better-positioned to enjoy black music because they are separated from the black world, whereas the working class whites, feeling more competitive on a day-to-day and street-to-street level with blacks, tend to see black stuff as the Other to be avoided. Near the end of the movie, there's a funny moment when Des(Eigeman) and Jimmy(the ad guy) are in the taxi to the airport. They are talking very-very white and discussing Shakespeare and ethics and using logic to make sense of things. Yet, the music playing is ska that is filled with carefree gibberish. The whiteness of the conversation and the blackness of the rhythm cannot be more at odds, and yet they fit together perfectly precisely because they are opposites. The anxiety of white mindfulness eased by black sense of devil-may-care.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH9nqX9sYUs

    This use of black-music as a counterpoint to white bourgeois existence was used neatly in METROPOLITAN as well. It's hard to think of anyone whiter, paler, and more bourgeois than Audrey the heroine. And yet her moment of melancholy is wonderfully conveyed by the "Dry Your Eyes".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrqUhOqEmhc

    It expresses the kind of feelings that are discouraged in the world of socialites and debutantes. It's a place where one has to repress one's true feelings -- though she loves Tom, she never says so , and even when she's hurt, she denies it -- or one where wit(a kind of repression in its own right) is essential if one is to push the boundaries of propriety. Nick(Eigman)'s transgressions are tolerated because he keeps his form. He knows how the game is played.
    So, the piece of soul music fills in the emotions that are not allowed in her world. And in a way, it's complementary because any good piece of music belongs in its own kind of aristocracy as talent is rare, and anything rare is a kind of a jewel.

    Anyway, this brings us back to Dana Stevens who is so very white. Indeed 'nice lady' is codeword for very white white woman. I'm sure she felt her very white-whiteness all her life, esp as she grew up in PC world where whiteness is suspect, like Ron Ronsenbaum freaking out about 'white turkey meat' and 'white bread', ironically in the way Hitler might have reacted to bagels and lox or matzaball soup.
    Given her bland whiteness, maybe she sought sustenance from Jewish culture. Jews got wit, Jews got wisdom(from Holocaust and all that), Jews got zaniness, Jews got larger personalities, like the Jewish woman in Woody Allen's INTERIORS who livens up a dull wasp family like Sidney Poitier brought some joy to a convent full of nuns without sodapop to sip.

    So, how traumatic it must be for Stevens to discover that this Jewish World is filled with sleaze beyond anything she could imagine. Now, Audrey in METROPOLITAN was young and sheltered. I would think Stevens, being older and having worked in the cultural community for so long, would be a bit wiser. But, PC just created this massive bubble of the mind. An iron bubble.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @guest, @Rosamond Vincy, @Alden, @Desiderius, @Che Guava

    In contrast, a truly free and independent individual thinks rationally and arrives at his truth through intellect and agency. He doesn’t rely on received culture to tell him right or wrong.

    Not coincidentally also best suited (in their own minds at least) to rule over the culturally-bound who will inevitably favor their own. Who better to rule than those who have no own?

  260. @TheBoom
    The Hollywood scandals are just a microcosm of how Jews act toward goys when they get power over us in any institution. They clearly hate us and enjoy debasing us goys. The actresses and boy actors at least get a shot at stardom by prostituting themselves to Jewish entertainment execs. What do the rest of us get from what is largely Jewish control of the "news" media and our wars as well as heavy Jewish influence on institutions such as academia, publishing and law?

    I see plenty of downsides including: trying to start a race war against whites by one-sided and distorted coverage of violence and discrimination (blame whitey!), demonizing whites as the problem while turning whites into a minority, promoting feminism and gender fluidity ideology and laws to breakup white families, disseminating propaganda to get whites to have fewer kids to save the environment, indoctrinating white children from an early age to not respect white achievements and only see the dark side even if imaginary, leading much of the effort to wage wars Jews to protect Israel that goys get to fight and pay for, making sure careers can be easily destroyed when goys notice Jewish control and hatred of us, and alternating between ignoring and celebrating the destruction of the white working class. None of this is subtle. Where is the up side for any of this?

    The hatred Jews have for whites and the one-sided love affair of whites for Jews and Israel is best summed up by the Pew study on the views of people of other religions. As expected, the group evangelical Christians most loved is Jews. The group most hated by Jews is evangelical Christians.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Skinhead, @Alden

    I read Jewish publications all the time. I’ve also read a lot of books detailing imaginary persecution and discrimination against Jews.

    I think one reason Jews hate Evangilicals so much is the old KKK. Remember, the KKK was officially an anti Jew & Catholic organization as well as anti black. The Klan even managed to get Catholic schools made illegal in a few states but the courts overturned those laws under the first amendment.

    Jews have never forgotten anything that has happened to them in the last 6,ooo years. They have never ever forgotten and will never forget that the White southern and midwestern protestant Klan was anti Jew.

    Since Klan members were White southern and midwestern protestants,, therefore 90 years later, White southern protestants must be KKK and anti Jew. Of course all those black evangilicals are saints. it’s also the disdain for southerners of the northern so called intellectuals that goes back to the puritan abolitionists who started the war of northern aggression.

    It’s also a way of splitting Whites. All us northern and western Whites are supposed to be all disdainful of all those dumb southerners instead of standing up for all Whites as I do.

  261. @Nico
    Here's a great writeback by one fitzhamilton:

    This is really richly amusing, coming from someone who defended Polanski, coming form someone writing in an electronic rag that has always been an apologist for the Bill and Hill Show. This is how sexual and gender politics work in the sick, stupid culture: If a powerful man mouths the proper platitudes about abortion and all of the rest of the "life style left's" agenda, he has free license to publicly abuse powerless lower class white women like Polanski and Bill's victims. They can have lots of brown and biege women and girls as well without complaint or consequence as well, if that happens to be their thing, though it rarely is.

    What shocks poor Dana here is the knowledge that rich powerful "elightened" supposedly feminist women whom she admires and identifies with, professional women with money high class educations proper accents and pedigrees, who have all the proper "high class" opinions and aspirations, have been quietly prostituting themselves to a fat pig for decades. Because let's be really specific here, that's what this scandal means. Hundreds of women have either consented to Harvey's advances for the sake of getting movie roles and other perquisites, or else have enabled him by their silence or - very often - their willing and active collusion in covering his behavior up. Few of the women who actually consented to him are going to talk about it now, but there hundreds of them out there.

    So much for your vaunted sisterhood Dana. Lean in. Harvey's got a project he wants you to see.

    The likes of Paltrow and Jolie have sold their integrity to Harvey through their decades of consent and silence. Look at Gwen in that picture. Think about what Harvey did to her, what she consented to. She is still standing there next to him. Keep on apologizing for the Clintons and Polanski Dana. You're a fraud, just like Gwen.
     
    In another thread I argued that modern American liberals appear to suffer from some sort of scrupulousity-related OCD whereupon their anxiety "spikes" come from witnessing or veering too close to "thought crimes" (obsession) and that their shoutdowns and spazoid screeds are the related avoidance/purgation ritual (compulsion). This is yet another example: a yuppie feminist completely broken up at the idea that, *in 2017*, a free and autonomous woman could be a hybristophile through no fault of any male, or choose to use her sexuality as currency.

    Replies: @Alden

    “professional women with money high class educations proper accents and pedigrees,”

    Most actresses never went to college. Lisa Kudrow did but she is the rare exception. A lot, a lot of actresses dropped out of high school. Pedigrees? I don’t understand. Almost all actresses and actors come from very modest backgrounds and always have. Reese Witherspoon and Nicole Kidman come from solid upper middle class backgrounds, but most don’t.

    Many male MBAs go into the financial marketing business side of the industry, because so much money can be made in such a short time. You’ll find educated people in the business side, not the talent.

    A lot of writers and directors and film editors did a film studies degree but that’s just a piece of paper, not an education.

  262. @George
    Is there a version of 'the talk' that should be given to girls, and boys, about Weinstein types? Why aren't the feminists recommending a special talk?

    Replies: @Alden

    Feminazis urge very young like 13 and 14 year old girls to have sex. But they never, never explain that the boys their age want sex more to brag to their friends than they want sex. And older boys and young men are just as bad. It’s the feminazis who forced the public schools to have the school nurses make presentations that they give out condoms.

    Woman use sex to get love and men use love to get sex. Men want sex without love, or even friendship.

    That’s what girls should be taught. Also, the best way to get a man is to withhold sex.

    there are many bad things about public schools. Other than the screeching jabbering animals in ghetto schools the worst thing is the sex education classes in all public middle and high schools. I don’t think most feminazis have any brothers or men friends or know much about men at all. Why they think high school girls should be taught to have sex with anyone who comes along I have no idea.

    Maybe the feminazis are secret allies of men who want sex without commitment, friendship, courtship but without paying a prostitute.

  263. @Che Guava
    @Alden

    Very cynical, Alden, though true.

    I was trying to fimd the other weasel commentor who was trying to say 'it is just OK。they are all knowing the deal' (with different wording).

    Weinstein strongly resembles Jabba the Hutt (am knowing that I am likely not the first to saying it, but resemblance is striking).

    In a box, within my rental box, I have Mailer's book about Marilyn Monroe, so I can't providing the exact quotes.

    Am gathering that Mailer was an arsehole, he probably was getting away with murder once.

    Point here, he says that she was to be given a terrible internal (and likely external) infection by a Jewish or producer on the 'casting couch' before she was famous, sterilised by it.

    So, it is seeming to go on and on.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden

    Mailer almost killed one of his wives, Lady Jean Campbell. Stabbed her with a knife many, many times. She was hospitalized and quickly divorced him. And he was the money bags behind the Village Voice, one of the first free throwaway publications dedicated to ultra leftist propaganda, prostitution ads and campaigns for legalized porn.

    I think Mailer modeled himself on macho man Hemingway. But Mailer took the brawling and wife beating much too far.

    Mailer wanted to be the intellectual voice of the left. But since he was a drunken brawler, always getting into fights and beating his wives and almost killing Jean, the left rejected him. So another communist writer Arthur Miller became the spokesman for the NYC idiot intellectuals.

    An aunt who was a public health nurse once told me that the Beverly Hills, West Los Angeles area had the highest rate of STDs in the entire country. Back in the mid 60’s when she told me that, that was the area where everybody in the entertainment industry lived.

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    @Alden

    Informative and more, thank you.

  264. @dfordoom
    @Jack D


    Regardless of the (low) level of morality in Hollywood, he had no right to force himself on anyone.
     
    So has he actually been convicted of forcing himself onto anybody? Remember that pesky presumption of innocence stuff?

    Replies: @Alden

    Presumption of innocence only applies to juries after a DA files charges and there is a trail. It doesn’t apply to millions of people discussing sex scandals. As long as commenters are not on a jury, they can presume guilt if they choose because what random people think doesn’t apply to criminal or civil charges and a jury trail which may or not happen.

  265. @Alden
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Droit de Seigneur never existed. The term and idea was created by Voltaire in the 18th century as part of his revolution propaganda work for Phillip d'Orleans the George Soros of the day.

    it's just a myth and a lie. In Orthodox Bulgaria there was a custom among the peasantry, not the gentry that young husbands could not sleep with their wives until their Fathers, the bride's father in law had her first for as long as he wished.

    But that was the peasants and an ancient pagan holdover.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    It may never have been the on-the-books law depicted in _The Warlord_, _Braveheart_, etc., but Swift refers to the assumption English landlords held that it was perfectly acceptable to enjoy their female Irish tenants, and implies that this may have led to unacknowledged multigenerational incest.

    A similar notion held in the pre-War South, where both real-life diarist Mary Boykin Chesnut and GWTW’s Grandma Fontaine made snotty remarks about the prevalence of “yellow” babies.

  266. @Anon
    Stevens is someone who blames Reagan-Era Indifference for the HIV disaster in the homo community.

    PC as status marker blinds many eyes.

    It's like the reluctance among Catholics to believe in abusive priests. Why? After all, priests are supposed to be selfless holy men? Could they really do such a thing?

    And so many people, even intelligent ones, simply wouldn't believe that Lenin and Stalin could do the things they did. After all, the communist revolution was about love and progress.

    And Hollywood has become like the new church for Progs. Even as culture critics like Stevens like to poke fun at Hollywood for its crassness, it is their church with all the Libby stars and artists and celebs. And Oscar ceremony is like open season on Square America.

    Stevens is blind to how much homos were responsible for the HIV mess since one of the status markers of progs has been to treat homos like saints, angels, and the rightful true aristocrats filled with so much creativity and sass.

    Part of her problem is the unbearable whiteness of being. Because she is white-bread and part of the disfavored race, she feels a need to attach herself to the Other to feel justified, redeemed, and revitalized. She is too 'white'. (If someone is alt-right, he is 'hu-white', and that comes with real blood and soil vitamins, but libby-dibs don't have that. They feel deficient in Vitamin Diversity.) It's no wonder she connected with Oshima's IN THE REALM OF THE SENSELESS. It was exotic, extreme, and demented. Her appreciation meant she wasn't just some 'white bread' girl from the prairies.
    Some white libby-dibs even say white people have no culture. This is both self-debasement and boast.

    https://redice.tv/news/official-working-for-the-swedish-government-there-is-no-native-swedish-culture

    It is self-debasement for obvious reasons. I mean every people have a unique culture. For example, even if Swedish language is part of the larger Germanic family and even if Christianity came from elsewhere, the Swedes made it their own through practice. It's like blacks took white music and made it their own, and whites took black music and made it their own. It's like Japan took stuff from China and India(Buddhism) and molded it in their own way. A culture can be borrowed from another people and come to be owned by process of digestion and adaptation. Judaism itself is a creative patchwork of myths and stories Jews picked up from other tribes. Jews combined them with their own myth. But for some reason, some idiot Swedes and whites say they got no culture because much of Northern European Culture originated from the South in Greece or Near East.
    But if a people take a culture and mold it through their own history and experience, it becomes theirs. It's like two people can become Muslims and have their own unique experience and understanding of the religion. In more recent times, so much of white music owes to black influence and so much of European pop owes to American influence. Still, every people do their own thing with it, and it becomes theirs in time.

    But in another way, this notion of whites having no culture is a kind of boast. It really means whites are beyond culture, an atavistic notion. After all, culture is specific, rooted, and limiting. It has bounds and identities. It has traditions and customs. All such serve as brakes on individual freedom. In contrast, a truly free and independent individual thinks rationally and arrives at his truth through intellect and agency. He doesn't rely on received culture to tell him right or wrong.
    To be sure, not all beyond-culturists are interested in intellect or truth. Some are more into fun and sensations, and they want to find it wherever they can. So, they prefer to try all kinds of foods, listen to all kinds of music, have sex with all sorts of people to find the best and most fun. Culture is an obstacle to such freewheeling venture.

    So, when white libby-dibs say they got no culture, it's both self-debasing humility and conceited boast. By praising OTHER cultures over white stuff, they wanna seem open-minded and appreciative. But then, by dispensing with any sense of obligation to their own race and culture, they see themselves as the most liberated and free individuals on earth unbound to any 'essentialism'.

    Anyway, this sense of cultural blandess may be a bigger thing among Northern European types. They may feel more white-bread and lifeless because they are pale of skin, angular in features(without exotic features of swarthier southern Europeans), and more even in temperament. (Semites are naturally more expressive, and Negroes are wild. Asians and 'Injuns' may not be expressive but their silence may be mistaken for profound inscrutability.) We like to see movies about Italians like in GOODFELLAS because they got big colorful personalities. But most people aren't keen on watching movies about nice Swedish-Americans. FARGO made it halfway interesting by presenting them as pathologically normal, always ready to say Yah and get along with neighbors.

    In a way, the bland white way proved to be the best formula for economic growth, social stability, political governance, and rule of law. After all, such people are most likely to be hardworking, mindful, conscientious, and neighborly. And usually polite and mannered. But it also means not-much-fun, not much eventfulness, not much in terms of crisis. So, northern European white bread bland types make the best bourgeois material and were behind the creation of US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. And social democracy in Sweden and Holland. And stability in post-war Germany. All very nice. But a well-oiled machine is predictable. It has its schedules, duties, and routines.
    That's not very fun or entertaining. It's no wonder Greeks invented drama. It's all about crisis and even madness and violence and things falling apart. It's like Kubrick films would be boring if not for the mounting crisis. There is a order that seems to be working according to plan, but things eventually begin to fall apart and blow up. Without HAL going nuts, 2001 would just be a bunch of guys doing a good job manning a spaceship. It'd be boring.
    Since northern European types became good at managing, organizing, coordinating, and maintaining, they became deficient in being fun by acting wild and crazy. Now, as long as their world was all they knew, they could carry on as usual. But once they became aware of the other world that came with temptations, they faced a crisis of culture. It's like the community in BABETTE'S FEAST was doing just fine, and everyone had his or her place. But the French woman came with all that yummy stuff and changed the sensory perceptions of the townsfolk. (The temptations get even wilder in THE BOUNTY where the Hopkins character grows anxious as his men get too chummy with the natives like it's Woodstock or something.)The northern-euro-community has much that is good and admirable. But it's not a place for fun or relaxation. It's a very mindful place where everyone has to be conscientious of his or her duties. And English societies were like this, at least in the movies and TV shows about the past. (Maybe Swedes in Sweden and Minnesota wanna bring more Africans as the fun-sun-people who will add glow and beat to cold dull Northern European life.)

    Northern Europeans were a very capable people who could build and manage things. But their commitment to order, harmony, and manners suppressed and discouraged the kind of wilder expressions that were more fun. Since music is more barbaric and images are more anarchic, Northern Europeans favored language as the favored expression. Germans were the exception with their great music, but even so, German Classical Music isn't exactly fun or something you can dance to. Also, the Northern European use of language, esp among the Brits, was more mindful of the perimeters and barriers. It was like Equestrian event where horses have to jump over certain obstacles in pre-coordinated space. So even as Brits came up with lots of literary wits, the style felt hemmed and restricted. A freer use of English arose in America, and much of this owed to ignorance. Americans without much learning got creative, like in HUCKLEBERRY FINN. And Negroes added their lingo. And immigrants with their ways of talking English changed it even more. Oddly enough, the addition of more color to English also made it more bland, at least officially. Since America needed a standard English for All Americans of various origins, it had to be as generic as possible. (It's like Mao tried to come up with more generic Chinese in the new China were everyone, not just the literati, was supposed to learn how to read and write.) As each ethnic group was mangling(and sometimes unwittingly enriching)English in their own way, it became more imperative to develop a generic American English that would be most easily accessible and applicable to all races and classes.
    Even so, various ethnic communities, Negroes, and hillbillies maintained their own way of talking. But white Anglos in the North and Midwest adopted the most generic kind of English. In a way, Hemingway, powerful prose-writer that he was, came up with a very straightforward kind of American English.
    Hemingway felt the anxiety of the Northern European. Feeling bland and generic, he needed to be doing manly stuff like hunting and watching bullfighting. He could never return to the Midwest. He had to see war, bloodied bulls, rhinos and elephants, and fishermen in Cuba.
    Some peoples feel colorful and saucy being what they are. Italians can stay in Italy and act like Fellini movie characters and feel alive. Greeks can throw fits in Greece and feel passion. Indeed, they might want to move to Northern European nations to get away from all that excitement with everyone throwing tantrums at the drop of a hat. In contrast, a bland Northern European can get bored with himself. Now, some Northern European types like the peace and order. But some, like Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Welles, and etc. needed excitement. And they relied on other cultures that seemed wilder and crazier and more alive. It's like Sam Peckinpah felt more alive in the mythic past of his imagination or Mexico with its crime and corruption than in boring Northern California(when it was very white).

    If Hemingway sought his excitement in Spain, Africa, and Cuba, Fitzgerald sought his exoticism in Negroes. Not directly as his novels are about white folks with mostly white characters. Still, they take place during the Jazz Age when well-educated, affluent, and urbane white Americans were spending their time, energy, and money on 'race' music, though to be sure, a lot of Jazz Age music was a pastiche of lots of stuff and often not very jazzy.
    One difference between Anglo-Negro creative tension and Latin-Negro creative tension was the former resulted from starker constrasts. Unlike Anglos, the Latins already had experience with (northern) Africans and even had some African blood due to Moorish invasion. Also, Spanish and Portuguese cultures had color and flavor. Spanish had flamenco, some of it derived from Gypsies. And they had very exciting spicy music. They were flamboyant and expressive. And Portuguese were really just inferior kind of Spanish. So, when Latin flavor mixed with Afro-flavor, they understood each other better. They learned to tango very quickly. In contrast, Anglo music culture was less flavorful. Hillbilly music could be wild but it was more in the way of 'doodah doodah' like with the fellers in BLAZING SADDLES. So, the contrast between black and white was starker in American music. When we listen to Bossa Nova, Samba, or Salsa, the Latin flavor and African rhythm seems so well-synced. In contrast, there is more abrasive and subversive quality about American black music as its energies were so at odd with Anglo order and manners. Latins weren't much for order and didn't get Rule of Law, which is why Latin American needed strongmen and tyranny to keep the order.

    Anyway, even though black music/culture is at the periphery in Fitzgerald's Jazz Age works, it does inform the charged atmosphere of the times. It is an enclosed world of white privilege but where the fun depends so much on the cultural creation of a more anarchic, animal, and instinctive force. And the white world remains both apart from it and drawn to it. For white privilege to remain, whites must be mindful, orderly, and duty-bound to work, class, and manners. And yet, it is the modern age where anything goes and individual must follow his whims. The 'irresponsible' rhythms of Jazz has a loosening effect on the listeners and dancers. And esp with the Prohibition, why not get intoxicated on music if alcohol wasn't so readily available?

    Several authors have been designated as the Fitzgerald of our era. Bret Ellison and Jay McTierney. But the artist who comes closest to Fitz's spirit is maybe the film-maker Whit Stillman(and not least because he's as much a writer as director). Granted, nothing Stillman has done comes anywhere near GREAT GATSBY -- and Stillman is too much of a moralist and some consider his sensibility closer to the early 19th century one of Jane Austen -- , but like Fitzgerald, his films are acutely aware of the both the charm and deficiencies of Northern European types. LAST DAYS OF DISCO is his 'Jazz Age' movie. Just like Fitzgerald's characters are very white, so are Stillman's. And yet, the very-whites of Fitzgerald operate to the backdrop of the Jazz Age of black rhythms and sometimes Jewish gangsters. Similarly, Stillman has given us the whitest characters in movies since his METROPOLITAN. They are preppy or UHB. One cannot imagine whiter characters, and they don't even try to be anything but white. Indeed, they seem unapologetically white. And yet, their story is set against the very gay-bohemian-black world of disco. Disco is their 'jazz'. On the surface, it seems odd that such whitey-white characters who seem so preppy, well-educated, literary, and verbally-oriented spend so much time in a place of music, getting loose and funky, and weird. And yet, it makes sense. Precisely because they so deficient in color and sauce, they feel alive and thrive from the environment... of course in measured doses. They are not really OF the disco culture. The core of their lives revolve around business, government work, and etc. Even the playboy character who works in the disco club is kept around because he's a good manager. They are the bourgeoisie even though they reject the term 'yuppie'. Without such people, modern society would cease to function. They come to work everyday, they check the books, they keep the schedules, they enforce government rules, and etc. And yet, because their lives are so into bourgeois tasks and responsibilities, they can't be wildly creative. They cannot let loose and really be free. For that, they must rely on others: homos, blacks, bohemians. Homo wildness would soon lead to HIV horror. Black wildness is much related to crime and chaos. And bohemian types thrive on subversion and transgression of all sorts. But precisely because they are so unbound to rules and regulations, they can be wildly creative and come up with something like disco. Like in GREAT GATSBY, there is the Jewish 'gangster' type in LAST DAYS in the figure of the club owner. He straddles both sides of the fence. He is a businessman and knows his job. But he also likes to play loose, cheating on taxes and dealing in drugs. And yet, that shadiness of Jews had a certain allure to more straight-laced Anglos. It's like Kay in the novel of THE GODFATHER is turned on by Michael's family of crime.

    Stillman is best at working in this Fitzgerald mode. (His Hemingwayean venture in Spain with BARCELONA just didn't have the proper footwork. And his Jane Austen adaptation, though fine, is rather dull as it's monochromatic.) Stillman is very good at presenting whiteness in contrast to a culture that is both opposite yet complementary on some level. Even though Josh(the DA guy) is a moralist(who defends the old-fashioned dog in LADY/TRAMP) whose worldview might seem at odds with the disco world of hedonism & even nihilism, the looseness of the disco world completes him in some way. It fills in the gaps(like what Rocky said he and Adrian fill in the gaps). At times, he seems a morose morbid type who recites hymns from memory, but he also wants to be a part of the larger exciting world, and he feels charged by the vibes of disco. It offers escape that he can't get with anything else that brings himself closer to his gloomier and more sober side, like the long winters of Northern Europe. Disco is like artificial sunlight.
    Because the music is often in the background, we may notice it less than the characters and the conversations, but there is a strange chemistry and rebound between the very white talk and the very black music(even in the other joint after the gang gets kicked out of the disco club). Now, this has to be conscious on Stillman's part. When I was young, most white kids listened to white rock , and they mostly hated it when I turned on Four Tops or the Supremes. Now, Stillman's world is very much whiter than the one I knew, yet his elite or ex-elite white characters seem to have an easier rapport with certain kinds of black music. Indeed, the White Rockers associated with Disco Sucks is not very visible in LAST DAYS. We just see some walk by with Disco Sucks t-shirt, and they seem threatening to the movie's vision of bliss. In a way, maybe elite whites are better-positioned to enjoy black music because they are separated from the black world, whereas the working class whites, feeling more competitive on a day-to-day and street-to-street level with blacks, tend to see black stuff as the Other to be avoided. Near the end of the movie, there's a funny moment when Des(Eigeman) and Jimmy(the ad guy) are in the taxi to the airport. They are talking very-very white and discussing Shakespeare and ethics and using logic to make sense of things. Yet, the music playing is ska that is filled with carefree gibberish. The whiteness of the conversation and the blackness of the rhythm cannot be more at odds, and yet they fit together perfectly precisely because they are opposites. The anxiety of white mindfulness eased by black sense of devil-may-care.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH9nqX9sYUs

    This use of black-music as a counterpoint to white bourgeois existence was used neatly in METROPOLITAN as well. It's hard to think of anyone whiter, paler, and more bourgeois than Audrey the heroine. And yet her moment of melancholy is wonderfully conveyed by the "Dry Your Eyes".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrqUhOqEmhc

    It expresses the kind of feelings that are discouraged in the world of socialites and debutantes. It's a place where one has to repress one's true feelings -- though she loves Tom, she never says so , and even when she's hurt, she denies it -- or one where wit(a kind of repression in its own right) is essential if one is to push the boundaries of propriety. Nick(Eigman)'s transgressions are tolerated because he keeps his form. He knows how the game is played.
    So, the piece of soul music fills in the emotions that are not allowed in her world. And in a way, it's complementary because any good piece of music belongs in its own kind of aristocracy as talent is rare, and anything rare is a kind of a jewel.

    Anyway, this brings us back to Dana Stevens who is so very white. Indeed 'nice lady' is codeword for very white white woman. I'm sure she felt her very white-whiteness all her life, esp as she grew up in PC world where whiteness is suspect, like Ron Ronsenbaum freaking out about 'white turkey meat' and 'white bread', ironically in the way Hitler might have reacted to bagels and lox or matzaball soup.
    Given her bland whiteness, maybe she sought sustenance from Jewish culture. Jews got wit, Jews got wisdom(from Holocaust and all that), Jews got zaniness, Jews got larger personalities, like the Jewish woman in Woody Allen's INTERIORS who livens up a dull wasp family like Sidney Poitier brought some joy to a convent full of nuns without sodapop to sip.

    So, how traumatic it must be for Stevens to discover that this Jewish World is filled with sleaze beyond anything she could imagine. Now, Audrey in METROPOLITAN was young and sheltered. I would think Stevens, being older and having worked in the cultural community for so long, would be a bit wiser. But, PC just created this massive bubble of the mind. An iron bubble.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @guest, @guest, @Rosamond Vincy, @Alden, @Desiderius, @Che Guava

    Wow, Priss, you mis-name both of the recent authors you mention (but I have never read anything by the Jay one, so can’t recall his correct last name, only that the one you are citing is not correct).

    Otherwise, enjoyable and informative rant.

    Except that you are also getting IN THE REALM OF THE SENSELESS wrong, by intention, possibly, it is a good line if so, but it is also a good film, and neither your error nor the correct title in English is corresponding to the title in Japanese. Title of an old song by Wanda Jackson does, a little.

  267. @Alden
    @Che Guava

    Mailer almost killed one of his wives, Lady Jean Campbell. Stabbed her with a knife many, many times. She was hospitalized and quickly divorced him. And he was the money bags behind the Village Voice, one of the first free throwaway publications dedicated to ultra leftist propaganda, prostitution ads and campaigns for legalized porn.

    I think Mailer modeled himself on macho man Hemingway. But Mailer took the brawling and wife beating much too far.

    Mailer wanted to be the intellectual voice of the left. But since he was a drunken brawler, always getting into fights and beating his wives and almost killing Jean, the left rejected him. So another communist writer Arthur Miller became the spokesman for the NYC idiot intellectuals.

    An aunt who was a public health nurse once told me that the Beverly Hills, West Los Angeles area had the highest rate of STDs in the entire country. Back in the mid 60's when she told me that, that was the area where everybody in the entertainment industry lived.

    Replies: @Che Guava

    Informative and more, thank you.

  268. @dr kill
    @Almost Missouri

    I read them, what's your point?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    No one’s buying anymore what Gottemoeller’s selling.

    It’s a good sign, really. Diversity and Inclusion® is no longer the avant garde trend of the future. It is now the province of stale, pale Midwestern careerists. Can there be any surer sign of its impending demise?

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