Should Tucker Carlson be President?
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Obviously, Tucker being President would be better for the USA than just about anybody else you can think of in that job …
But becoming President would probably be a demotion for Tucker. Right now, he has his Dream Job where he gets paid handsomely to go on TV nightly and tell the truth. Who else has a job like that?
If he doesn’t ever try, it would not be because it’s some demotion. It would be because he knows more than we do about the forces arrayed against him, and is rightfully scared of the Deep State. Anyone remember Ross Perot?
In the meantime, Run, Tucker, Run!
Politics and speaking the truth don’t mix.
Also, if Tucker wants to speak the truth, he has to address the JQ.
Unless JQ is exposed and discussed, the bad behavior will go on and on.
If Billy is in a room and beating drums and disrupting the kids in another room, nothing will change by blaming one or more or all the kids in the room. It will change only when Billy is identified as the culprit.
What was so wrong with Arkansas's law that they had to force its repeal?
Sure, but he’s a hairbreadth away from joining the likes of Brimelow, Derbyshire and Sailer: journalists who used to have dream jobs. Getting him elected President (and can we trust him??) or someone else who can do more than tweet about our tightening totalitarianism, is about all that’s left.
OTOH, given that his house has already been attacked by the 'antifa' types, he could probably use Secret Service protection. His family is very much at risk in the current environment. So maybe it's not so comfortable.
Is there still time for Trump to step aside this year? Has there been any relevant polling?
Yes
Tucker doesn’t speak all of the truth.
And not everything he does say is true.
In a monologue a few weeks ago, he said “we abhor” the Southern Confederacy and that it had declared war on the United States. It is weak and unprincipled to suggest that a large component of America’s founding stock, an ethnic group whose loyalty to the United States (ironically) is unsurpassed, is evil, or that its honored ancestors are evil.
There is no bloc of white Democrats with a hostility to political correctness, or lingering pride in CSA ancestors.
Rather, there are a large amount of "soft right" white voters that won't vote for the GOP unless the media and non-whites stop calling them racist.
Most conservatives want this politics of white guilt. It's now a component of our identity, like it or not, and I certainly don't.Replies: @Lurker
Anyway, I'd much rather Tucker be a nationally viewed host whose message is 80% correct than a niche web personality whose message is 99% correct.
Used to be Southrons said "hisself" which to a Northerner's ear sounds terrible and is evidence of bad breeding. But, as someone pointed out, it is "himself" which is wrong. Him doesn't possess a self. You give something to a "him". "His" owns something, i.e. his own self.Replies: @TheTrumanShow
I abhor the Southern Confederacy, and yet about a fourth of my ancestors were from the South and many fought for it.
It was a bad cause in defense of a horrible practice which cost the lives of nearly a third of its young men. Some of those men died explicitly defending slavery. Most of them died simply defending home. But it was still a bad cause and an enormous waste of human life.
That's a separate issue from whether or not statues of Confederate soldiers should remain standing. I believe they should, because the primary reason people want to tear them down isn't because they hate the Confederacy, but because they hate whites, and they hate the people (i.e., WASPs) who built this country.Replies: @Anonymous
Tucker should become president because he would break the mold. Douglas Murray recently stated that no talented person should go into politics today, because on the first day they would say something politically incorrect, on the second day they would have to apologize for it, and on the third day they would be just like everyone else. Tucker has the ability to take a big long dump all over that, but crapping with panache and polish would allow other politicians to feel they could following suit (not really an option with Trump).
The medium is the massage. Must be tempting to enjoy the platform without real accountability. Easy money. And yet. And yet…
Ask not what America can do for you…
Mr Carlson is very impressive. Ideally President Trump would ask him to run for VP and break him into the reality of US politics so that a later bid for the top job be credible and successful.
(An outsider’s view)
Remember years ago when Jon Stewart (nee Liebowitz) went on Crossfire and upbraided Tucker Carlson and Begala for hurting the country with their talk show? It certainly seemed in that moment like Tucker’s career was over, and Jon Stewart cemented his image as…whatever Jon Stewart is. “How dare you make the news into entertainment!” harumphed Mr. Stewart as Tucker’s bowtie wilted in shame.
Anyway is Jon Stewart still alive or did he die of COVID?
Yawn.
https://news.yahoo.com/jon-stewart-black-lives-matter-movement-america-stopped-and-smelled-racism-065918908.html
https://variety.com/2020/film/box-office/jon-stewarts-political-comedy-irresistible-to-debut-on-demand-1234614270/
The problem with Tucker is that his moment is now, or maybe two years ago, and he has at least heretofore shown no intention to run. By 2024, there will be 20 other candidates and there won’t be any pressing reason to run.
In the bigger picture, the “tough-minded, realistic” iSteve’rs have got it exactly backwards, particularly with respect to immigration. That is, given the white voters increasing willingness to vote en bloc, and the disinclination of Latins to vote, the demographic/cultural landscape of America actually can hold indefinitely, even given our liberal immigration policies, with the Sailer Strategy.
Or in other words, it’s much more urgent to keep normie white America onside with the Right and the GOP, than to restrict immigration. And temporarily at least, Trump has lost normie white America.
It’s all about Trump, not Tucker. Tucker isn’t running, but he is there to show us what we could have if we didn’t have Trump.
If Trump fails to earn re-election, there is always 2024.
Trump's biggest failure was removing Bannon and keeping Kushner IMO. Bannon was too goy for TBTB.Replies: @Dave Pinsen
What matters to a nation are the people who make it up--their genes and culture. Full stop.
That's--at the absolute crisis level, immigration/invasion. A the step further out in time scale and crisis that's maintaining eugenic fertility.Replies: @Boethiuss
The fact that Tucker doesn’t want to run is yet another argument for his candidacy. Who wants a creep like Mayor Pete who has been trying to become POTUS since he was 9 years old?
But sorry, Tucker, it doesn’t matter that you don’t want to be a politician. Duty calls. As Andrew Anglin says, Tucker is “The Last Man Standing” in the popular consciousness. It’s not about what he wants. It’s about his obligation to his people.
And he truly is the last man standing. He has no choice. He must become a reluctant leader. There’s nobody else.
We can't make him run, he's gotta want it. And he's no shown no desire for that so far, though conceivably that could change.
In the bigger picture, the "tough-minded, realistic" iSteve'rs have got it exactly backwards, particularly with respect to immigration. That is, given the white voters increasing willingness to vote en bloc, and the disinclination of Latins to vote, the demographic/cultural landscape of America actually can hold indefinitely, even given our liberal immigration policies, with the Sailer Strategy.
Or in other words, it's much more urgent to keep normie white America onside with the Right and the GOP, than to restrict immigration. And temporarily at least, Trump has lost normie white America.
It's all about Trump, not Tucker. Tucker isn't running, but he is there to show us what we could have if we didn't have Trump.Replies: @MarkinLA, @SFG, @Anonymous, @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad
Winning an election and your guy ignoring and outright countering the policies you thought you were voting him in for, isn’t winning in my book.
Are you some kind of GOP campaign advisor that only cares if some Republican wins, no matter what he does when in office, as long as you get paid?
Maybe you forgot but following your advice we got Ryan keeping the carried interest deduction and no wall. What a win.
Our political system is presently arranged so as to prevent anyone with Tucker’s degree of integrity from attaining high office. Of course we can trust him, but he probably knows better than to wreck his comfortable life.
OTOH, given that his house has already been attacked by the ‘antifa’ types, he could probably use Secret Service protection. His family is very much at risk in the current environment. So maybe it’s not so comfortable.
Is there still time for Trump to step aside this year? Has there been any relevant polling?
Of course Tucker should be president.
However, you can be sure the Deep State will try to preemptively destroy him now so he has no chance.
* Or the USA. Imagine how the Civil War would have turned out if the Union's generals had all resigned rather than follow Lincoln.Replies: @Russ, @Gordo
You may enjoy a riff on Independence Day:
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2020/07/independence-day.html
When it comes to ending the forever wars Trump at least moved the ball forward, but failed to get a down. I don’t think Tucker would accomplish anything. Maybe Colin Powell? Or even Condalezza Rice might do some good.
Tucker Carlson couldn’t win the office with these demographics, even if he ran a perfect campaign and credibly promised voters something insane like a cure for the common cold. That alone discredits this system. It’s going to be an incredible shock to the system when we get a terrible democrat president like Kamala Harris and all the non-racially motivated people see the obviously superior Tucker Carlson on TV and know in their hearts he can’t win because their parents ruined the country with mass immigration. The United States is now at a point where tribal voting determines elections, not competence or new ideas (unless they involve giving some group more money or privilege).
The only chance Tucker Carlson has of becoming president is some kind of coup, which is quite unlikely because the system abhors creating a vacuum; past revolutions have always had a new ideology and a set of principle actors to found a new system. We don’t have that now, and it’s additionally unclear how such a thing could be regulated to prevent excess while preserving our global alliances. I just don’t see a path, even with the extreme and unlikely options. Although, if anyone wants to put together a demographic table with hypothetical votes showing Carlson winning the 2024 presidential election, I’d love to see it. Maybe I’m wrong … hopefully.
Yes!
It would be a sacrifice for him, to be sure – just as it has been for Trump, who has most likely lost money and has certainly had his name dragged though the mud.
One point about Carlson not widely appreciated is that he is a genuine descendant of America’s founding generation – indeed, of its colonial aristocracy. His Christian name, Tucker, was the surname of his ancestor St. George Tucker, a lieutenant-colonel of Virginia militia during the Revolution and afterwards a lawyer, a professor of law at the College of William and Mary, and at last a Federal judge (appointed by James Madison).
St. George Tucker married the widow Frances Bland Randolph, who by her first marriage was the mother of the Virginia statesman John Randolph of Roanoke. Through Frances Bland Randolph, Tucker Carlson is a descendant of the “red Bollings” through whom all of her living descendants may trace their ancestry to Pocahontas. Take that, Elizabeth Warren!
Here is a man whose ahnentafel is a sketch of American history.
Anyone knows what the "St." stands for? Wikipedia is no help.Replies: @Gordo, @Crawfurdmuir
Unfortunately, winning is not sufficient to do good. However, if he attempts to run, he may lose and still inspire pro-USA forces for success later. Something like Barry Goldwater – who lost massively*, but birthed Ronald Reagan.
*Getting 38.5% of votes in a two party Presidential election.
Major victory in the Great Chloroquine War today and …Trump doesn’t tweet about it.
He poured a ton of political capital into the issue and now the data begins proving him correct and he doesn’t shove it down his enemies’ throats?
Maybe over the weekend. Pffft. Statins make old guys lose their edge.
There is no wartime consigliere inthe white house. There is only excess estrogen and Jared F***ing Kushner.
He’s telling part of the truth. Still has to tiptoe around the Dumb Prole President. We’ll have to wait till around 2024, after Trump’s been out of office for four years, before he can tell the whole truth. (Assuming we don’t have another Dumb Prole President.)
Anyway is Jon Stewart still alive or did he die of COVID?Replies: @anon, @anon
Jon Stewart is a hack of the highest order. These talk shows he’s frequenting for his new movie’s promotional campaign are the worst, most divisive dreck imaginable — far worse than Crossfire ever was. The guy doesn’t even have the integrity to practice what he preached to Carlson all those years ago. BTW, have any of these hacks — Stewart included — publicly defended Jimmy Kimmel, a guy who seems to be in hiding from the mob for months on end for the crime of making a joke years ago? Not that he deserves it, though. Jon Stewart reminds one of that old friend who was always a bit quirky but entertaining and sometimes even prescient — had a good job, seemed to be going places. He then goes away for unexplained reasons and you forget about him only to meet up by accident years later. You’re aghast because he’s unshaven, disheveled and out of his mind. What’s more, he’s living on the street and barking to passersby about how The X-Files was based on a true story. You wonder if he was always like that and maybe you just didn’t see it.
Tucker Carlson would be a disaster as president . I like him he seems like a nice sincere guy IOW the last person we want as a president . What we need in a president is a ruthless dyed in the wool White supremacist focused on restoring White rule . Someone with no naive illusions about the rule of law . Someone willing to use anyone useful to achieving his goals and cast them aside the moment they have out lived their usefulness w/o any regard for weak feminine sentimentality . A man who dispassionately assesses the weaknesses and strengths of the the men who serve him and uses them accordingly . A man who while well aware of the human flaws inherent in all races recognizes that the White race properly indoctrinated and lead will be a benefit to all the lesser races as well .
Would you consider adding Joe Sobran to your list of the misbegotten?
I wonder what role Steve would have in a Tucker administration.
But sorry, Tucker, it doesn't matter that you don't want to be a politician. Duty calls. As Andrew Anglin says, Tucker is "The Last Man Standing" in the popular consciousness. It's not about what he wants. It's about his obligation to his people.
And he truly is the last man standing. He has no choice. He must become a reluctant leader. There's nobody else.Replies: @Boethiuss, @donut
I kinda want to agree with this, but I think we have to concede that we have very little leverage in the matter. No concrete meaningful leverage at all, and very little abstract force of persuasion.
We can’t make him run, he’s gotta want it. And he’s no shown no desire for that so far, though conceivably that could change.
Yes. He has trumps best instincts without trumps worst qualities. Who dares, wins.
Tucker Carlson does toe the neocon party line of hating Russia/China/Iran.
But yes, he gets to tell the truth about so many things! And unlike everything I pay attention to, he’s still part of the Mainstream.
It makes me proud to be an American-
He does buy into the whole neocon scam on China though, that’s true. Other alt-liters, who still should know better (Watson, Molyneux, etc.), do as well. I don’t know how to explain that.
Maybe he will evolve again as he did on Iraq?
But sorry, Tucker, it doesn't matter that you don't want to be a politician. Duty calls. As Andrew Anglin says, Tucker is "The Last Man Standing" in the popular consciousness. It's not about what he wants. It's about his obligation to his people.
And he truly is the last man standing. He has no choice. He must become a reluctant leader. There's nobody else.Replies: @Boethiuss, @donut
And not everything he does say is true.
In a monologue a few weeks ago, he said “we abhor” the Southern Confederacy and that it had declared war on the United States. It is weak and unprincipled to suggest that a large component of America’s founding stock, an ethnic group whose loyalty to the United States (ironically) is unsurpassed, is evil, or that its honored ancestors are evil.Replies: @216, @SFG, @Allen, @Icy Blast, @ThreeCranes, @Wilkey
You can’t put new wine into old wineskins
There is no bloc of white Democrats with a hostility to political correctness, or lingering pride in CSA ancestors.
Rather, there are a large amount of “soft right” white voters that won’t vote for the GOP unless the media and non-whites stop calling them racist.
Most conservatives want this politics of white guilt. It’s now a component of our identity, like it or not, and I certainly don’t.
A very weak part I think.
Svigor said once, possibly here at iSteve, that support for the multikult was a mile wide and an inch deep.Replies: @Patrick in SC, @216
And not everything he does say is true.
In a monologue a few weeks ago, he said “we abhor” the Southern Confederacy and that it had declared war on the United States. It is weak and unprincipled to suggest that a large component of America’s founding stock, an ethnic group whose loyalty to the United States (ironically) is unsurpassed, is evil, or that its honored ancestors are evil.Replies: @216, @SFG, @Allen, @Icy Blast, @ThreeCranes, @Wilkey
He always knows which lines to avoid crossing, much like Pinker (though they’re politically disparate). I’d rather have him pretend to dislike the South and keep being able to talk on TV, rather than take a stand that would actually get him canned.
https://twitter.com/a_centrism/status/1279213055306600449?s=21Replies: @anon, @Ben tillman
And not everything he does say is true.
In a monologue a few weeks ago, he said “we abhor” the Southern Confederacy and that it had declared war on the United States. It is weak and unprincipled to suggest that a large component of America’s founding stock, an ethnic group whose loyalty to the United States (ironically) is unsurpassed, is evil, or that its honored ancestors are evil.Replies: @216, @SFG, @Allen, @Icy Blast, @ThreeCranes, @Wilkey
There is a limit on what you can get away with on a mainstream news network, and Tucker is already dangerously close to that line with his forceful opposition to unrestricted immigration, endless middle eastern war, BLM, the trans lobby, tech censorship, etc. I get the feeling Tucker recognizes some truths that he knows he talk about, and some of his rhetoric (specifically what you highlighted) is a necessary defensive move to avoid easy deplatforming.
Anyway, I’d much rather Tucker be a nationally viewed host whose message is 80% correct than a niche web personality whose message is 99% correct.
The Mt Rushmore Trump visit tonight makes me think potus has been talking to Bannon.
Seems like a good symbolic move but we need real action.
HOW ABOUT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER ON FLOODING THE HOT ZONES ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE.
Massive mobilization. Install it as standard preventative protocol in every medical facility.
Do something. WTF.
He now realizes that Kushner is not going to help him win the election. He needs Bannon now, and in reality never should have let him go.
And to certain other, how is the Herd Immunity working out for y'all?
It’s not a good idea to believe in a Savior. You have to recognize that when start thinking in that manner it means you are desperate. Decisions made while in a desperate state will never work out and probably make everything much worse.
In the bigger picture, the "tough-minded, realistic" iSteve'rs have got it exactly backwards, particularly with respect to immigration. That is, given the white voters increasing willingness to vote en bloc, and the disinclination of Latins to vote, the demographic/cultural landscape of America actually can hold indefinitely, even given our liberal immigration policies, with the Sailer Strategy.
Or in other words, it's much more urgent to keep normie white America onside with the Right and the GOP, than to restrict immigration. And temporarily at least, Trump has lost normie white America.
It's all about Trump, not Tucker. Tucker isn't running, but he is there to show us what we could have if we didn't have Trump.Replies: @MarkinLA, @SFG, @Anonymous, @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad
I agree, but think you should expend some effort pulling off the whiter Latins in addition. The black population is roughly stable–it’s the Hispanic population that’s going up, and Trump got something like 30% of their vote. If you can slowly assimilate them into mainstream American culture, the center might hold.
The modal American white might look a little darker, but that’s better than having a whole bunch of groups fighting each other like the billionaires want and the left is trying to do, or South African-style slow white genocide.
The problem is affirmative action.
Tucker is doing good work right where he is. He accomplished more for American political sanity in the last four years than Trump. In fact, what did Trump accomplish? Wall? Peace in the War against Islam? Hah!
I would love to have a President whose speech I could listen to and learn from and agree with. I’ve never experienced a President who could do that, but it seems to always happen when I listen to Tucker on the TV. He would be a great Communicator, and if he had the wisdom (like Reagan) to pick a VP with a social network brimming over with competent bureaucrats, then he would be able to actually accomplish something.
President Tucker Carlson
我的眼睛在流血!
Anyway is Jon Stewart still alive or did he die of COVID?Replies: @anon, @anon
Jon Stewart is alive. Very alive. Just as predictably leftard as ever, and Woke as can be.
Yawn.
https://news.yahoo.com/jon-stewart-black-lives-matter-movement-america-stopped-and-smelled-racism-065918908.html
https://variety.com/2020/film/box-office/jon-stewarts-political-comedy-irresistible-to-debut-on-demand-1234614270/
The only bad thing about the unlikely event of Tucker becoming president would his eventually being shown to have political feet of clay.
The other night tucker on air said the words “fake noose.”
Moments later he was interviewing the author of a new book about Nixon’s silent majority and his election as a reaction to the Times Square bombing. The scroll across the bottom of the screen read “anarchy in america and the rise of radical chic.”
Either tucker is a huge Tom Wolfe fan and his brain waves are channeling the same frequencies that led Steve to coin the term “fake noose.” Or he is a reader of a certain verboten voice on the right. Steve hasn’t been canceled, he’s been eliminated. Steve has become a real life he who must not be named. Steve is in Al Jolson territory. The very act of mentioning awareness of his existence is tantamount to racism.
In that sense Tucker is doing very important work going on television every night and concisely articulating Sailer adjacent talking points. In the Information Age that’s probably more important than whoever is president. The president has no real power. Trump has accomplished some quiet victories, especially since getting Barr in as AG. Trump is a unique individual who thrives having his name dragged through the swamp. I certainly agree that someone who reads isteve should be president. I’d like to be but I’m not 35 and I’m an imbecile. It doesn’t really matter who the next president is, the more important thing is that the Republican Party of George Bush, John McCain, and John Bolton dies swiftly and spectacularly. Steve, you are the exiled leader of the new right. You need to identify and endorse somebody. My gut reaction to a television star being our next president is NO but I was wrong about that last time around.
In the bigger picture, the "tough-minded, realistic" iSteve'rs have got it exactly backwards, particularly with respect to immigration. That is, given the white voters increasing willingness to vote en bloc, and the disinclination of Latins to vote, the demographic/cultural landscape of America actually can hold indefinitely, even given our liberal immigration policies, with the Sailer Strategy.
Or in other words, it's much more urgent to keep normie white America onside with the Right and the GOP, than to restrict immigration. And temporarily at least, Trump has lost normie white America.
It's all about Trump, not Tucker. Tucker isn't running, but he is there to show us what we could have if we didn't have Trump.Replies: @MarkinLA, @SFG, @Anonymous, @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad
Tucker has plenty of years to run, and he can speak on his show and Trump listens a lot of the time. Carlson speaks the view of the base.
If Trump fails to earn re-election, there is always 2024.
Trump’s biggest failure was removing Bannon and keeping Kushner IMO. Bannon was too goy for TBTB.
In the bigger picture, the "tough-minded, realistic" iSteve'rs have got it exactly backwards, particularly with respect to immigration. That is, given the white voters increasing willingness to vote en bloc, and the disinclination of Latins to vote, the demographic/cultural landscape of America actually can hold indefinitely, even given our liberal immigration policies, with the Sailer Strategy.
Or in other words, it's much more urgent to keep normie white America onside with the Right and the GOP, than to restrict immigration. And temporarily at least, Trump has lost normie white America.
It's all about Trump, not Tucker. Tucker isn't running, but he is there to show us what we could have if we didn't have Trump.Replies: @MarkinLA, @SFG, @Anonymous, @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad
Keeping “normie white America onside” and stopping immigration are mutually complementary policy goals.
Seems like a good symbolic move but we need real action.
HOW ABOUT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER ON FLOODING THE HOT ZONES ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE.
Massive mobilization. Install it as standard preventative protocol in every medical facility.
Do something. WTF.Replies: @Anonymous, @Kyle
The Mt Rushmore Trump visit tonight makes me think potus has been talking to Bannon.
He now realizes that Kushner is not going to help him win the election. He needs Bannon now, and in reality never should have let him go.
And to certain other, how is the Herd Immunity working out for y’all?
I strongly suspect Boethiuss is working for the other side.
You people are after all fatally infected with Liberal tendencies . You’re like the Senate under the Empire . Pretending that the forms have substance while your enemies sharpen their knives . To think I once cared for your good opinions . I’ve read two biographies of Cicero trying to figure out why such fool has been held in such high esteem . For his term as governor of Sicily he deserves our respect and how he met his death as well , good for him , to be executed unjustly and have the courage to face it with equanimity is the best of deaths that a man can suffer . For that alone he deserves his immortality . But otherwise I don’t get it .
It would be a sacrifice for him, to be sure - just as it has been for Trump, who has most likely lost money and has certainly had his name dragged though the mud.
One point about Carlson not widely appreciated is that he is a genuine descendant of America's founding generation - indeed, of its colonial aristocracy. His Christian name, Tucker, was the surname of his ancestor St. George Tucker, a lieutenant-colonel of Virginia militia during the Revolution and afterwards a lawyer, a professor of law at the College of William and Mary, and at last a Federal judge (appointed by James Madison).
St. George Tucker married the widow Frances Bland Randolph, who by her first marriage was the mother of the Virginia statesman John Randolph of Roanoke. Through Frances Bland Randolph, Tucker Carlson is a descendant of the "red Bollings" through whom all of her living descendants may trace their ancestry to Pocahontas. Take that, Elizabeth Warren!
Here is a man whose ahnentafel is a sketch of American history.Replies: @Ben tillman, @Newyorker, @Felix Krull, @Alden
Good stuff.
We are desperate. All our decisions for the foreseeable future will be made in a state of desperation.
And not everything he does say is true.
In a monologue a few weeks ago, he said “we abhor” the Southern Confederacy and that it had declared war on the United States. It is weak and unprincipled to suggest that a large component of America’s founding stock, an ethnic group whose loyalty to the United States (ironically) is unsurpassed, is evil, or that its honored ancestors are evil.Replies: @216, @SFG, @Allen, @Icy Blast, @ThreeCranes, @Wilkey
Two days ago Tucker casually stated that Robert Maxwell was British. (Ann Coulter calls Soros an “American,” by the way.) And of course he can’t mention that Fox News Contributor Alan Dershowitz was a frequent flier on the “Lolita Express.” So Tucker as President would be primarily an aesthetic and symbolic victory. He’s like Tom Woods in one way: He wants everyone to know he has lots of Jewish friends! He will occasionally be unable to avoid talking to a Catholic.
However, you can be sure the Deep State will try to preemptively destroy him now so he has no chance.Replies: @Chrisnonymous
Yeah. The behavior of the generals who spoke out against Trump recently was extremely disturbing. I’m not sure if Trump could get through another 4 years* even if he were elected, and imagine if the deep state were facing competent, serious Trump?
* Or the USA. Imagine how the Civil War would have turned out if the Union’s generals had all resigned rather than follow Lincoln.
If he gets fired, I can imagine a smart billionaire starting up a new network with Tucker. Fox is mostly garbage apart from him.
They’re coming after Pinker now.
Brave new future!
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Cucker Tarlson tells about half the truth…maybe….he avoids some of the really sticky areas of truth, like divide et impera, GDP and immigration, the extortion machine that pervades most of american daily lives…ultimately, he is just another cuck…he would change nothing
If Trump fails to earn re-election, there is always 2024.
Trump's biggest failure was removing Bannon and keeping Kushner IMO. Bannon was too goy for TBTB.Replies: @Dave Pinsen
If Trump loses this year, Biden will amnesty 20-30 million illegals. That will likely put the White House out of reach for the GOP in 2024.
Mickey Kaus thinks Tucker should run this year in place of Trump.
What would be the response of the traditional Republican voters to being essentially disenfranchised, and then subjected to the whims of a movement that professes hatred to them? Will they just retreat into their homes and say, "aw, shucks"?
Has there ever been a full-time reporter turned president or prime minister anywhere in the world? I don’t think so, and it’s probably for the best.
Boris Johnson?
There is no bloc of white Democrats with a hostility to political correctness, or lingering pride in CSA ancestors.
Rather, there are a large amount of "soft right" white voters that won't vote for the GOP unless the media and non-whites stop calling them racist.
Most conservatives want this politics of white guilt. It's now a component of our identity, like it or not, and I certainly don't.Replies: @Lurker
It’s now a component of our identity
A very weak part I think.
Svigor said once, possibly here at iSteve, that support for the multikult was a mile wide and an inch deep.
So leftists always think they "owned the cons" when a far right figure is pictured eating at a Chinese/Mexican restaurant.
None of us view it as hypocritical, but maybe some moderates do, otherwise lefties wouldn't make this attack.
Could you give some examples to help understand what you mean by this?
Churchill probably made almost all of his money with his pen, but he was of the hereditary ruling class.
https://twitter.com/a_centrism/status/1279213055306600449?s=21Replies: @anon, @Ben tillman
They’re coming after Pinker now.
Brave new future!
I’m shocked, shocked, to hear that!
Mussolini.
Maybe Lenin.
I dunno… trump has been growing a decent minority constituency. Even Ice Cube admitted that Trump appeals to black folks by acting like a Boss. Black votes can swing an election. Can Tucker pull that off?
https://vm.tiktok.com/JRqM1tX/
Answer: NOPE
Tucker & Graham Ledger of OAN say some good things but both pay homage to Saint Martin Luther King which is pathetic considering King’s plagiarizing and fondness for pounding female flesh. Tucker and his cohort, Ledger both still play the colorblind “cuckservative” routine full tilt while NEVER addressing Jewish power and influence and how that power is destroying America. Tucker would probably be no better than Ronnie Reagan or Trumpstein. Pretending race is only skin deep and Jewish power and influence in America is a “conspiracy theory” is a guaranteed LOST every single time for White America.
IF America hadn’t been so discriminatory against White Southerners, they could have elected Wallace but unfortunately Mr. Wallace was shot in 1972, but he wouldn’t have won IMO. Too many Northerners who still harbor prejudices against Southerners and view themselves as superior. Just look at how we have done with all these “Yankee” POTUS. Oops, they did elect a couple of Southern cuckolds, one a peanut farmer from JawJah, and our first black president, Arkansas born and bred, the country squire aka Slick Willie Boy Clinton. But those guys might has well been Yankees from New Yawk or Basston, Mass. Should have elected Dr. David Duke back in the day but that would have made America “racist” and we wouldn’t be as great of a country as we are right now in 2020. Just think how lucky we are to have never elected someone who was racially aware and spoke out against Jewish power and influence in America. Just look how far we have come in the last 50-60 years or so.
Also, if Tucker wants to speak the truth, he has to address the JQ.
Unless JQ is exposed and discussed, the bad behavior will go on and on.
If Billy is in a room and beating drums and disrupting the kids in another room, nothing will change by blaming one or more or all the kids in the room. It will change only when Billy is identified as the culprit.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
I bet even you are unwilling to take on the ACLU over the 1968 Epperson decision. That ranks with Brown for taking control from states and school boards.
What was so wrong with Arkansas’s law that they had to force its repeal?
If you’re talking about a publisher, then that would certainly be a demotion.
I’d like to see Mike Rowe as his VP.
I suspect that TC’s popularity has been noticed by some of the younger, smarter GOP politicians who are not so wedded to the invade the world/invite the world/in hock to the world ideology of the GOP establishment. If so and they run a TC style candidacy, then TC’s candidacy would not be necessary. If not, then the door is wide open.
A very weak part I think.
Svigor said once, possibly here at iSteve, that support for the multikult was a mile wide and an inch deep.Replies: @Patrick in SC, @216
Perhaps, but plastic wrap is also pretty thin, yet if you cover your head with it and tie it tightly around your neck you’ll eventually suffocate.
Maybe in the abstract yes, but not now. Now, keeping normie white America onside means getting rid of Trump. It may mean other things too, but we’ll find those out later.
Exactly four years ago, candidate Trump was our dream fantasy president. Things didn’t turn out quite like we’d hoped, did they? They never do (though not entirely his fault.) Would it be any different with Tucker?
Things are crazy, but they’d be twice as crazy with Tucker, even though he’d be far less erratic than Trump. The radical left sees him far to the right of Trump, so while he’d be less erratic than Trump, he’d also be unwilling to compromise/cave like Trump does.
No, we don’t need a better president, we need a better country, and the only hope for that would lie in some variant of a Diolcletian solution. At present, however, the only scenario in which I can envision a grudging acceptance of such an option by the emergent totalitarian elite would be after a decade or two of very bloody civil war and millions dead. And a “better country” would be an unlikely outcome of a war like that.
* Or the USA. Imagine how the Civil War would have turned out if the Union's generals had all resigned rather than follow Lincoln.Replies: @Russ, @Gordo
I would like to see detailed reporting into how many of those generals are Obama-elevated diversity poofs. Trump needs to shuffle that deck (amidst, of course, all the other top priorities).
Does tucker have a bunch of people who are personally loyal to him, who themselves have bunches of people personally loyal to them (who…)? Does he have the knowledge and the ability to put these people in the right place to actually operate the bureaucracy day to day to make it do what he wants? Will the Army actually obey him if he orders to put down a riot?
Benito Mussolini.
I meant Diocletian, of course.
And not everything he does say is true.
In a monologue a few weeks ago, he said “we abhor” the Southern Confederacy and that it had declared war on the United States. It is weak and unprincipled to suggest that a large component of America’s founding stock, an ethnic group whose loyalty to the United States (ironically) is unsurpassed, is evil, or that its honored ancestors are evil.Replies: @216, @SFG, @Allen, @Icy Blast, @ThreeCranes, @Wilkey
The leaders of the Confederacy believed that they the[ir]*selves were remaining loyal to the original Constitution and that it was those damn Yankees who had wandered off course.
Used to be Southrons said “hisself” which to a Northerner’s ear sounds terrible and is evidence of bad breeding. But, as someone pointed out, it is “himself” which is wrong. Him doesn’t possess a self. You give something to a “him”. “His” owns something, i.e. his own self.
https://twitter.com/a_centrism/status/1279213055306600449?s=21Replies: @anon, @Ben tillman
What goes around comes around. He put politics before science in the case of Kevin MacDonald.
Seems like a good symbolic move but we need real action.
HOW ABOUT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER ON FLOODING THE HOT ZONES ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE.
Massive mobilization. Install it as standard preventative protocol in every medical facility.
Do something. WTF.Replies: @Anonymous, @Kyle
Why do something? Tons of young people don’t have health insurance. They aren’t going to medical facilities. Immunosuppressant drugs probably wouldn’t be effective in young people anyway. They couldn’t get tested even if they wanted to. On top of it all it’s just a bad cold for most of them and they don’t really care. There is nothing to do. There’s a Yuge disconnect with some of you people. If you think something can be done, you don’t quite have a grasp of the situation. A critical mass of young people don’t have health insurance, don’t have symptoms, and don’t care. Testing isn’t free, that’s fake news. It costs money. I’d rather buy a house than buy covid 19 testing. Sorry bro.
HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE and zinc is still the best available treatments and should be made available to anyone who has symptoms. Unfortunately it is still banned in New Jersey. Doctors are prohibited from writing prescriptions for HCQ. Only Hospitalized patients have access to this life saving drug. Sad. Trump should issue an executive order which reverses the Governors executive orders prohibiting this drug from being prescribed.
Took me about 10 seconds to type it on google.
All good questions, but it’s still better to have an ineffective well-intentioned President than to have a malevolent one.
That would put the White House, the Senate, the House of Representatives, and the Supreme Court out of GOP reach. The D’s would have plenty of room to become even more extreme, since when you’re on a redistributionist bent you want to be as close to 51% as possible (the more there are to take stuff away from, after all). Elections would be pretty much meaningless.
What would be the response of the traditional Republican voters to being essentially disenfranchised, and then subjected to the whims of a movement that professes hatred to them? Will they just retreat into their homes and say, “aw, shucks”?
In the meantime, Run, Tucker, Run!Replies: @Ben tillman
Oddly enough, as someone right in the middle of the efforts to get him elected, and as someone very close to some of his and his daughter’s neighbors, I never heard anything about what happened. I did, however, hear about his paranoia or hyper vigilance.
And not everything he does say is true.
In a monologue a few weeks ago, he said “we abhor” the Southern Confederacy and that it had declared war on the United States. It is weak and unprincipled to suggest that a large component of America’s founding stock, an ethnic group whose loyalty to the United States (ironically) is unsurpassed, is evil, or that its honored ancestors are evil.Replies: @216, @SFG, @Allen, @Icy Blast, @ThreeCranes, @Wilkey
How do you know he doesn’t abhor the Southern Confederacy?
I abhor the Southern Confederacy, and yet about a fourth of my ancestors were from the South and many fought for it.
It was a bad cause in defense of a horrible practice which cost the lives of nearly a third of its young men. Some of those men died explicitly defending slavery. Most of them died simply defending home. But it was still a bad cause and an enormous waste of human life.
That’s a separate issue from whether or not statues of Confederate soldiers should remain standing. I believe they should, because the primary reason people want to tear them down isn’t because they hate the Confederacy, but because they hate whites, and they hate the people (i.e., WASPs) who built this country.
The subsequent course of events has proven them right. The United States became an empire and its people have been dispossessed.Replies: @Alden
Tucker Carlson cannot be the only guy who understands what is going on, and who is willing to stand up for regular middle class Americans. But it sure seems like it.
The only chance Tucker Carlson has of becoming president is some kind of coup, which is quite unlikely because the system abhors creating a vacuum; past revolutions have always had a new ideology and a set of principle actors to found a new system. We don't have that now, and it's additionally unclear how such a thing could be regulated to prevent excess while preserving our global alliances. I just don't see a path, even with the extreme and unlikely options. Although, if anyone wants to put together a demographic table with hypothetical votes showing Carlson winning the 2024 presidential election, I'd love to see it. Maybe I'm wrong ... hopefully.Replies: @indocon, @IHTG
As the only national talking head to openly defy the ongoing lovefest of #BLM, Tucker Carlson is in perfect position to follow Steve Sailor’s advice regarding branding Democrats as The Black Party, force persuadable Hispanics and Asians (which would exclude groups like Indians) to pick a side between black and white party. Couple this with substantive policy changes like support for universal Medicaid (not medicare), negotiating with drug companies, a marriage incentive instead of penalty, equalizing capital gains and regular worker income, complete shut down of new immigration with targeted amnesty of current people……. You may have a path for him to get to 50%++ even with all the crazy liberal white hyenas shouting on the other side.
* Or the USA. Imagine how the Civil War would have turned out if the Union's generals had all resigned rather than follow Lincoln.Replies: @Russ, @Gordo
Yes that was rather a wobbly moment, especially the USAF guy, even at the height of the cultural revolution Mao never lost control of the air force.
I mean if you can’t appoint someone loyal to lead your air force your jacket is hanging on a shaky nail.
I abhor the Southern Confederacy, and yet about a fourth of my ancestors were from the South and many fought for it.
It was a bad cause in defense of a horrible practice which cost the lives of nearly a third of its young men. Some of those men died explicitly defending slavery. Most of them died simply defending home. But it was still a bad cause and an enormous waste of human life.
That's a separate issue from whether or not statues of Confederate soldiers should remain standing. I believe they should, because the primary reason people want to tear them down isn't because they hate the Confederacy, but because they hate whites, and they hate the people (i.e., WASPs) who built this country.Replies: @Anonymous
The cause was sovereignty and it was a great cause.
The subsequent course of events has proven them right. The United States became an empire and its people have been dispossessed.
The DNC would be happy to fund Tucker’s Republican campaign for president just to get him off his broadcast slot and leave him with the votes of several people on this thread.
Yeah yeah. I have antagonized a good number of regular commenters at iSteve. It wasn’t really my intention, but I’m not completely sure one way or the other if it could be helped. I’m beginning to think that the way to win at politics is to avoid thinking about it as much as humanly possible.
To be a reasonably effective president, you need to have been plugged into the political/economic establishment for most of your adult life. We can all pick apart the outrageous (we think) things said by a George W. Bush or a Hillary Clinton, but politicians of this kind — in other words — presidential material, know who has the money and the media power, know where the ideological lines are, and know better than to cross them.
Tucker Carlson is not a politician. Unlike Biden or a figure of similar stature, he wouldn’t be comfortable having his public statements scripted for him. He doesn’t have experience in the sort of political back-stabbing and back-scratching that the presidency demands. He doesn’t have a network of Washington insiders to draw upon for his cabinet appointments. The Republican party wouldn’t like him, and this goes triple for the Democrats. The media would slander him. The tech giants would cancel him. The American public wouldn’t know the difference.
So, how would he make any of this work?
The only chance Tucker Carlson has of becoming president is some kind of coup, which is quite unlikely because the system abhors creating a vacuum; past revolutions have always had a new ideology and a set of principle actors to found a new system. We don't have that now, and it's additionally unclear how such a thing could be regulated to prevent excess while preserving our global alliances. I just don't see a path, even with the extreme and unlikely options. Although, if anyone wants to put together a demographic table with hypothetical votes showing Carlson winning the 2024 presidential election, I'd love to see it. Maybe I'm wrong ... hopefully.Replies: @indocon, @IHTG
Which demographics are you speaking of? Trump has a great weakness with educated whites and he still won. A candidate who combined Romney’s appeal to upper middle class whites and Trump’s appeal to working class whites would win the electoral college, possibly even fairly comfortably.
He should start by forming an equivalent to the Justice Democrats of Cenk Ugyhur, and endorsing candidates for Congress in 2022.
It would be a sacrifice for him, to be sure - just as it has been for Trump, who has most likely lost money and has certainly had his name dragged though the mud.
One point about Carlson not widely appreciated is that he is a genuine descendant of America's founding generation - indeed, of its colonial aristocracy. His Christian name, Tucker, was the surname of his ancestor St. George Tucker, a lieutenant-colonel of Virginia militia during the Revolution and afterwards a lawyer, a professor of law at the College of William and Mary, and at last a Federal judge (appointed by James Madison).
St. George Tucker married the widow Frances Bland Randolph, who by her first marriage was the mother of the Virginia statesman John Randolph of Roanoke. Through Frances Bland Randolph, Tucker Carlson is a descendant of the "red Bollings" through whom all of her living descendants may trace their ancestry to Pocahontas. Take that, Elizabeth Warren!
Here is a man whose ahnentafel is a sketch of American history.Replies: @Ben tillman, @Newyorker, @Felix Krull, @Alden
Tucker Carlson’s father was the illegitimate child of teenagers adopted by a family named Carlson.
You just made my point that journalists shouldn’t be in charge!
“…he gets paid handsomely to go on TV nightly and tell the truth. Who else has a job like that?”
But how about: your local TV weatherman?
Sure Tucker Carlson should be president. Not sure if he can overcome the massive propaganda storm that will be thrown his way – Trump the president is a disappointment, but as a campaigner he was nearly superhuman in the way he could handle establishment sliming. Carlson would also have to avoid the fate of Tulsi Gabbard et al, and being deplatformed/ignored to death. Trump again was a genius at keeping the attention of the corporate press focused on him.
Also, Carlson would need to make sure that if elected he loads the administration up with people who will support him – “personnel is policy.” Key is not just one savior, but building a cadre capable of governing.
For a little while Stephen Colbert looked like he might do this – some of his earlier speeches were biting at both sides and very cutting. There was a speech he gave at the national press club that was very powerful and not at all classical TV liberal. But then he gave up, went back into pure farce, and was paid handsomely to scream how bad Trump was – tell the powerful what they want to hear, always a good career move. Now Colbert has his and the rest of the country can rot. So easy to sell out, especially when the alternative is increasingly just cutting your own throat and nobody is paying attention…
But yes, he gets to tell the truth about so many things! And unlike everything I pay attention to, he's still part of the Mainstream.
It makes me proud to be an American-Replies: @Sorel McRae
Really? I thought he was pretty good on Russia and may have single handedly (rumor has it) talked Trump down from war with Iran once. If so, he deserves a medal and the gratitude of humanity for that alone.
He does buy into the whole neocon scam on China though, that’s true. Other alt-liters, who still should know better (Watson, Molyneux, etc.), do as well. I don’t know how to explain that.
Maybe he will evolve again as he did on Iraq?
testing is available free in New Jersey. I do not have health insurance and was able to get tested for free at Rite-Aid.
HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE and zinc is still the best available treatments and should be made available to anyone who has symptoms. Unfortunately it is still banned in New Jersey. Doctors are prohibited from writing prescriptions for HCQ. Only Hospitalized patients have access to this life saving drug. Sad. Trump should issue an executive order which reverses the Governors executive orders prohibiting this drug from being prescribed.
True. His actual grandfather’s name was Boynton (presumably an English name). That would put him in the good graces of Ann Coulter, despite TC’s present Scandinavian last name. Unfortunately, his biological mother’s name was Anderson. I wonder if that cancels out the Boynton?
Tucker Carlson is not a politician. Unlike Biden or a figure of similar stature, he wouldn't be comfortable having his public statements scripted for him. He doesn't have experience in the sort of political back-stabbing and back-scratching that the presidency demands. He doesn't have a network of Washington insiders to draw upon for his cabinet appointments. The Republican party wouldn't like him, and this goes triple for the Democrats. The media would slander him. The tech giants would cancel him. The American public wouldn't know the difference.
So, how would he make any of this work?Replies: @Neuday
Politics wasn’t always a career profession. Professional politicians are the problem. This country is filled with bright men of ambition with some measure of integrity who see politicians as weaselly scumbags, and rightly so.
These professional politicians have bankrupted and morally destroyed our country. Our government and our elites have zero legitimacy, and it’s becoming ever more evident.
Throughout history, cometh the hour, cometh the man. This party is just getting started.
Certainly not fundraising.
Does this refute Crawfurdmuir’s genealogical history or is it an addition to it? Is one side his mom’s side and the other his dad’s? Where were the teenagers from?
The Presidency after Trump, is like NASA after Apollo. The Nation of Settlers got behind the institution and then it failed to deliver what they were _really_ promised:
(white flight) TERRITORY
The institution, thereby discredited, could never recover. Tucker would be the Shuttle of Presidential runs.
It would be a sacrifice for him, to be sure - just as it has been for Trump, who has most likely lost money and has certainly had his name dragged though the mud.
One point about Carlson not widely appreciated is that he is a genuine descendant of America's founding generation - indeed, of its colonial aristocracy. His Christian name, Tucker, was the surname of his ancestor St. George Tucker, a lieutenant-colonel of Virginia militia during the Revolution and afterwards a lawyer, a professor of law at the College of William and Mary, and at last a Federal judge (appointed by James Madison).
St. George Tucker married the widow Frances Bland Randolph, who by her first marriage was the mother of the Virginia statesman John Randolph of Roanoke. Through Frances Bland Randolph, Tucker Carlson is a descendant of the "red Bollings" through whom all of her living descendants may trace their ancestry to Pocahontas. Take that, Elizabeth Warren!
Here is a man whose ahnentafel is a sketch of American history.Replies: @Ben tillman, @Newyorker, @Felix Krull, @Alden
…St. George Tucker…
Anyone knows what the “St.” stands for? Wikipedia is no help.
True, but immaterial to my point – Carlson’s line to St. George Tucker is maternal.
Those of us of a genealogical turn of mind would be grateful to see the precise descent from Mr Carlson's mother to the first Tucker. Since her maiden name appears to have been Lombardi, the permutations promise to be fascinating.
It would be a sacrifice for him, to be sure - just as it has been for Trump, who has most likely lost money and has certainly had his name dragged though the mud.
One point about Carlson not widely appreciated is that he is a genuine descendant of America's founding generation - indeed, of its colonial aristocracy. His Christian name, Tucker, was the surname of his ancestor St. George Tucker, a lieutenant-colonel of Virginia militia during the Revolution and afterwards a lawyer, a professor of law at the College of William and Mary, and at last a Federal judge (appointed by James Madison).
St. George Tucker married the widow Frances Bland Randolph, who by her first marriage was the mother of the Virginia statesman John Randolph of Roanoke. Through Frances Bland Randolph, Tucker Carlson is a descendant of the "red Bollings" through whom all of her living descendants may trace their ancestry to Pocahontas. Take that, Elizabeth Warren!
Here is a man whose ahnentafel is a sketch of American history.Replies: @Ben tillman, @Newyorker, @Felix Krull, @Alden
Thank you so much for the information. Good to see a real American rather than an Ellis Islander as a TV political commenter.
There’s free covid testing in every state both by cities towns hospitals urgent care centers and all the big drug store chains that have those drop in clinics. Presumably the hospitals and drug store chains are either doing it for free or they’ll be reimbursed by state county and town public health departments at some point.
Took me about 10 seconds to type it on google.
I had hoped that you would respond, and with precisely this answer.
Those of us of a genealogical turn of mind would be grateful to see the precise descent from Mr Carlson’s mother to the first Tucker. Since her maiden name appears to have been Lombardi, the permutations promise to be fascinating.
The subsequent course of events has proven them right. The United States became an empire and its people have been dispossessed.Replies: @Alden
I don’t abhor the southern confederacy some of my ancestors fought for. What I do abhor is the unnecessary deaths of 750,000 White men in the prime of life and approximately 50,000 civilians in the border states due to malnutrition and other effects of war.
Lincoln didn’t invade the south after the S Carolina firebrands attacked Fort Sumpter to free the slaves He did it to preserve the union and prevent secession.
What I abhor even more was the fact that except for Texas, the confederate states were reduced to 100 years of poverty and malnutrition because the S East became a wretched colony of northern cannibal capitalists .
I’ve read John Calhoun too. Intelligent legal reasoning but look at the results, 100 years of poverty and malnutrition ended only with Johnson’s War on Poverty Program that unleashed the Black Plague.
There’s some economic books about the bad effects of the civil war and freeing of the slaves on the southern economy. Can’t remember their names. There’s some labor histories about not just the coal and iron mines ; but the White workers in the timber lands, saw mills, textile factories, the cheating of the tobacco farmers and starvation wages of workers in the cigarette factories.
The south after the civil war was a capitalist paradise of freed blacks and impoverished Whites desperate to work for the lowest wages that would keep them alive and reproduce the next generation.
Mary Phagan started working in that pencil factory when she was 10. She wasn’t the only little girl Frank molested in that factory.
Winston Churchill, too. He was a journalist between 1897 and 1901.
Clemenceau became famous for his journalism.
Warren Harding was a journalist (I just found out about this).
https://yesterdaysamerica.com/warren-hardings-forgotten-years-as-a-journalist/
No to Tucker Carlson.
1) He’s not the one writing the stuff he says…whose the writer?
2) He wouldn’t be on TV if he was truly one of us
3) He was the one who convinced Trump on the Covid thing, which ended up being wrong
4) He has no Network in Government…does he have a network of people at all? Ann Coulter has a network…Pat Buchanan yes…Steve Sailer even seems to have a network….
The #1 quality we need to look for in a Presidential Nominee is someone who knows enough red-blooded Americans to put into all of the key and sub-key positions.
We need someone who will fire all of the Obama leftovers and put actual red-meat people in
In the bigger picture, the "tough-minded, realistic" iSteve'rs have got it exactly backwards, particularly with respect to immigration. That is, given the white voters increasing willingness to vote en bloc, and the disinclination of Latins to vote, the demographic/cultural landscape of America actually can hold indefinitely, even given our liberal immigration policies, with the Sailer Strategy.
Or in other words, it's much more urgent to keep normie white America onside with the Right and the GOP, than to restrict immigration. And temporarily at least, Trump has lost normie white America.
It's all about Trump, not Tucker. Tucker isn't running, but he is there to show us what we could have if we didn't have Trump.Replies: @MarkinLA, @SFG, @Anonymous, @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad
What can you even say about such absolute idiocy–on a HBD blog no less?
What matters to a nation are the people who make it up–their genes and culture. Full stop.
That’s–at the absolute crisis level, immigration/invasion. A the step further out in time scale and crisis that’s maintaining eugenic fertility.
For example, Barack Obama was President for 8 years and we never heard a word about DC statehood. Trump hasn't finished his first term and the House of Representatives just passed a bill or resolution in favor, with the specific intention of creating two new, more or less permanent Dem Senators and denying America as we've known in for fifty years from leveraging a meaningful veto point against the Deep State or the Cathedral or whatever.
Or take the deplorables thing. It's one thing for Hillary Clinton to accuse us of being nasty for self-serving political advantage. It's much worse for us to internalize it and believe it ourselves, which we've done. Before Trump, we were the honest, family-minded fair dealing Americans, they were the doubletalking scam artists. It's the sort of thing that's more often honored in the breach than the observance, of course, but even so it's something that we should all aspire to if not actually achieve.
I know we're all supposed to be jaded and cynical and the rest of it, but it has been genuinely shocking for me how easily and how willingly we shit on our countrymen. In contrast to some of you, personally I have no problem accepting ethnic minority Americans as my countrymen.
But even if I did, that's not the immediate problem with Trump. Right now, there's two Democratic Senators from Minnesota, New Mexico and Nevada. After Election Day, there will likely be two Dem Senators from Colorado and Arizona as well. There's also well-regarded Republican incumbents in at least some trouble in Maine, North Carolina, Iowa and Montana. It's not minorities, immigration or the Oberlin College Gender Studies department that's the problem in Trump's America, it's white people.
White people are not buying our shit and we don't care.Replies: @MarkinLA
If Tucker is elected, can Steve get his TV job? Then, in eight years, Steve could move on to the White House job.
Haven't you noticed that the comments on Steve are more interesting than Steve?
(Sorry Steve!)
Does this refute Crawfurdmuir’s genealogical history or is it an addition to it? Is one side his mom’s side and the other his dad’s? Where were the teenagers from?
The biggest most important thing he can do requires NOBODY else. As commander in chief of the armed forces, he can order the Army and the Marines to reduce the forces in Europe, Japan, South Korea, and the Middle East and nobody can do anything to stop him – not the Pentagon, Congress or the Courts.
False Flags, Fake Impeachments, Threats to His Family
You need a networkReplies: @MarkinLA
A very weak part I think.
Svigor said once, possibly here at iSteve, that support for the multikult was a mile wide and an inch deep.Replies: @Patrick in SC, @216
If you look at Gallup polls, “the food” is often cited as one of the main benefits of mass immigration.
So leftists always think they “owned the cons” when a far right figure is pictured eating at a Chinese/Mexican restaurant.
None of us view it as hypocritical, but maybe some moderates do, otherwise lefties wouldn’t make this attack.
If Tucker wants to seriously entertain being a contender for the Presidency, he has to leave Fox and start up his own media organization.
He should start by forming an equivalent to the Justice Democrats of Cenk Ugyhur, and endorsing candidates for Congress in 2022.
What matters to a nation are the people who make it up--their genes and culture. Full stop.
That's--at the absolute crisis level, immigration/invasion. A the step further out in time scale and crisis that's maintaining eugenic fertility.Replies: @Boethiuss
Yeah, but no. The point being, whatever bad things we say about immigration, Donald Trump is more direct and more imminent threat to our posterity and our culture.
For example, Barack Obama was President for 8 years and we never heard a word about DC statehood. Trump hasn’t finished his first term and the House of Representatives just passed a bill or resolution in favor, with the specific intention of creating two new, more or less permanent Dem Senators and denying America as we’ve known in for fifty years from leveraging a meaningful veto point against the Deep State or the Cathedral or whatever.
Or take the deplorables thing. It’s one thing for Hillary Clinton to accuse us of being nasty for self-serving political advantage. It’s much worse for us to internalize it and believe it ourselves, which we’ve done. Before Trump, we were the honest, family-minded fair dealing Americans, they were the doubletalking scam artists. It’s the sort of thing that’s more often honored in the breach than the observance, of course, but even so it’s something that we should all aspire to if not actually achieve.
I know we’re all supposed to be jaded and cynical and the rest of it, but it has been genuinely shocking for me how easily and how willingly we shit on our countrymen. In contrast to some of you, personally I have no problem accepting ethnic minority Americans as my countrymen.
But even if I did, that’s not the immediate problem with Trump. Right now, there’s two Democratic Senators from Minnesota, New Mexico and Nevada. After Election Day, there will likely be two Dem Senators from Colorado and Arizona as well. There’s also well-regarded Republican incumbents in at least some trouble in Maine, North Carolina, Iowa and Montana. It’s not minorities, immigration or the Oberlin College Gender Studies department that’s the problem in Trump’s America, it’s white people.
White people are not buying our shit and we don’t care.
You really are one deluded moron. Do you really think any of this is all about Donald Trump? Do you really think this wouldn't have happened to anybody else? When didn't they try this on Reagan or Bush? It just didn't stick because there weren't as many stupid cucked whites.
Mike Tyson once said "Trump is no racist and if I could get him 20,000 votes I would". The whole thing is a hoax designed to take advantage of stupid college cucks and dimbulb suburban housewives who "feels" instead of thinks. How is electing someone tolerable to such morons a win for the rest of whites?Replies: @Boethiuss
For example, Barack Obama was President for 8 years and we never heard a word about DC statehood. Trump hasn't finished his first term and the House of Representatives just passed a bill or resolution in favor, with the specific intention of creating two new, more or less permanent Dem Senators and denying America as we've known in for fifty years from leveraging a meaningful veto point against the Deep State or the Cathedral or whatever.
Or take the deplorables thing. It's one thing for Hillary Clinton to accuse us of being nasty for self-serving political advantage. It's much worse for us to internalize it and believe it ourselves, which we've done. Before Trump, we were the honest, family-minded fair dealing Americans, they were the doubletalking scam artists. It's the sort of thing that's more often honored in the breach than the observance, of course, but even so it's something that we should all aspire to if not actually achieve.
I know we're all supposed to be jaded and cynical and the rest of it, but it has been genuinely shocking for me how easily and how willingly we shit on our countrymen. In contrast to some of you, personally I have no problem accepting ethnic minority Americans as my countrymen.
But even if I did, that's not the immediate problem with Trump. Right now, there's two Democratic Senators from Minnesota, New Mexico and Nevada. After Election Day, there will likely be two Dem Senators from Colorado and Arizona as well. There's also well-regarded Republican incumbents in at least some trouble in Maine, North Carolina, Iowa and Montana. It's not minorities, immigration or the Oberlin College Gender Studies department that's the problem in Trump's America, it's white people.
White people are not buying our shit and we don't care.Replies: @MarkinLA
Donald Trump is more direct and more imminent threat to our posterity and our culture.
You really are one deluded moron. Do you really think any of this is all about Donald Trump? Do you really think this wouldn’t have happened to anybody else? When didn’t they try this on Reagan or Bush? It just didn’t stick because there weren’t as many stupid cucked whites.
Mike Tyson once said “Trump is no racist and if I could get him 20,000 votes I would”. The whole thing is a hoax designed to take advantage of stupid college cucks and dimbulb suburban housewives who “feels” instead of thinks. How is electing someone tolerable to such morons a win for the rest of whites?
No, people have seen enough of Trump to make up their own mind of the kind of person he is, and the answers aren't good.Well, for starters, if there aren't at least 51 Republicans in the Senate after Election Day, it's very likely Congress will pass the mother of all amnesties shortly thereafter.Replies: @MarkinLA
Anyone knows what the "St." stands for? Wikipedia is no help.Replies: @Gordo, @Crawfurdmuir
Saint
Thanks, that is weird.Replies: @Gordo
Steve would go all Civic Nationalist so fast…
Haven’t you noticed that the comments on Steve are more interesting than Steve?
(Sorry Steve!)
Haha
False Flags, Fake Impeachments, Threats to His Family
You need a network
“We” says the foreigner
Probably you're saying I'm foreign either because I allegedly don't believe in the ideology of this supposed "proposition nation" or because I don't have the ethnic/cultural heritage of the founders. The latter is partly true. Some of my ancestors fought in the revolution. Others are from an ethnic group alien to the American founders. But the thing is: I still have to live under the government led (in theory, in practice he rarely does anything) by the Dumb Prole President. Until you find a way to change that, his incompetence is my business just as much as it's yours.
And as an aside: none of Trump's ancestors fought in the revolution. He shares the NW Euro genetic makeup with them, but not much of their culture. How this foul-mouthed, sexually libertine New Yawker became the icon of Americanism is beyond me.Replies: @MarkinLA
You really are one deluded moron. Do you really think any of this is all about Donald Trump? Do you really think this wouldn't have happened to anybody else? When didn't they try this on Reagan or Bush? It just didn't stick because there weren't as many stupid cucked whites.
Mike Tyson once said "Trump is no racist and if I could get him 20,000 votes I would". The whole thing is a hoax designed to take advantage of stupid college cucks and dimbulb suburban housewives who "feels" instead of thinks. How is electing someone tolerable to such morons a win for the rest of whites?Replies: @Boethiuss
You’ve got to be kidding me. What do you think is going on? Trump is tweeting out stupid beefs with Joe Scarborough and takes an hour to explain why he can’t walk down a ramp at West Point and we’re supposed to accept a character reference from Mike Tyson?
No, people have seen enough of Trump to make up their own mind of the kind of person he is, and the answers aren’t good.
Well, for starters, if there aren’t at least 51 Republicans in the Senate after Election Day, it’s very likely Congress will pass the mother of all amnesties shortly thereafter.
Do you really think the Republicans are against an amnesty? That is the people you think we NEED to vote for.Replies: @Boethiuss
Saint? Really? As in Saint George?
Thanks, that is weird.
Most actual foreigners don’t care much about the Dumb Prole President, apart from Mexicans. 99% of those attacking him on the internet are going to be Americans.
Probably you’re saying I’m foreign either because I allegedly don’t believe in the ideology of this supposed “proposition nation” or because I don’t have the ethnic/cultural heritage of the founders. The latter is partly true. Some of my ancestors fought in the revolution. Others are from an ethnic group alien to the American founders. But the thing is: I still have to live under the government led (in theory, in practice he rarely does anything) by the Dumb Prole President. Until you find a way to change that, his incompetence is my business just as much as it’s yours.
And as an aside: none of Trump’s ancestors fought in the revolution. He shares the NW Euro genetic makeup with them, but not much of their culture. How this foul-mouthed, sexually libertine New Yawker became the icon of Americanism is beyond me.
Here you are on an issue about politics and you make a statement like that showing that you aren't very bright. Maybe it was decades of electing people that you approve of who got this country in the mess it was in such that people thought anything was better than continuing on the same dead-end path.Replies: @Alexander Turok
Anyone knows what the "St." stands for? Wikipedia is no help.Replies: @Gordo, @Crawfurdmuir
Saint.
False Flags, Fake Impeachments, Threats to His Family
You need a networkReplies: @MarkinLA
Yes, he has to have balls of steel, which he really does not. IF you espouse a policy supported by a massive majority of the people (and getting us out of stupid wars and bringing the troops home is) there will be a period of wailing by the talking heads. However, after a month or two of nothing happening, they would all have to slink back under their rocks and Trump would be in a better position than if he did nothing.
Thanks, that is weird.Replies: @Gordo
Could be Street?
Probably you're saying I'm foreign either because I allegedly don't believe in the ideology of this supposed "proposition nation" or because I don't have the ethnic/cultural heritage of the founders. The latter is partly true. Some of my ancestors fought in the revolution. Others are from an ethnic group alien to the American founders. But the thing is: I still have to live under the government led (in theory, in practice he rarely does anything) by the Dumb Prole President. Until you find a way to change that, his incompetence is my business just as much as it's yours.
And as an aside: none of Trump's ancestors fought in the revolution. He shares the NW Euro genetic makeup with them, but not much of their culture. How this foul-mouthed, sexually libertine New Yawker became the icon of Americanism is beyond me.Replies: @MarkinLA
How this foul-mouthed, sexually libertine New Yawker became the icon of Americanism is beyond me.
Here you are on an issue about politics and you make a statement like that showing that you aren’t very bright. Maybe it was decades of electing people that you approve of who got this country in the mess it was in such that people thought anything was better than continuing on the same dead-end path.
No, people have seen enough of Trump to make up their own mind of the kind of person he is, and the answers aren't good.Well, for starters, if there aren't at least 51 Republicans in the Senate after Election Day, it's very likely Congress will pass the mother of all amnesties shortly thereafter.Replies: @MarkinLA
You do realize that if anybody other than Trump was the nominee, let alone win, we would have had that amnesty 20 minutes after Hillary was sworn in (no matter what the Senate of House makeup was), don’t you? You do realize that all the worthless human garbage making up the GOP Senators and Congressmen would have been fighting to put more freebies into the law for the illegals than the Democrats.
Do you really think the Republicans are against an amnesty? That is the people you think we NEED to vote for.
Immigration restrictions win, especially on defense, when there are numbers and motivation among the Republicans in Congress and public support for restrictions. The GOP in the Senate successfully filibustered GWB's amnesty in 2007, I think, and the GOP House beat the Gang of 8 in 2013.
Obama was President for 8 years and did DACA, but not a general amnesty, and we would have probably beat that too if Trump and SCOTUS hadn't combined to screw that up. What was President Hillary supposed to do any different?
If anything good about immigration is ever going to happen, there has to be lots of Republicans in Congress. And to the broader point, it's baffling for me that somehow you really don't get how the unpopularity of President Trump is negatively affecting public opinion at large wrt immigration and a hundred other things besides. In fact, most likely you're not really playing it straight here. It's not like it's a subtle thing.Replies: @MarkinLA
Here you are on an issue about politics and you make a statement like that showing that you aren't very bright. Maybe it was decades of electing people that you approve of who got this country in the mess it was in such that people thought anything was better than continuing on the same dead-end path.Replies: @Alexander Turok
Well, that’s why I voted for him. But then, I can see that he’s a failure. The people who either can’t or don’t really care, I think the reason they like him and don’t like the other Republicans who pursue the exact same policies as he does is because he’s a dumb prole like they are. #DumbProlePresident
Cruz may have actually been better on immigration but his globalists views on trade would have meant President Clinton.
Do you really think the Republicans are against an amnesty? That is the people you think we NEED to vote for.Replies: @Boethiuss
You really seem to be ignorant or oblivious to some basic history of the politics of immigration for say, the last ten years. In particular, you should state your premises clearer.
Immigration restrictions win, especially on defense, when there are numbers and motivation among the Republicans in Congress and public support for restrictions. The GOP in the Senate successfully filibustered GWB’s amnesty in 2007, I think, and the GOP House beat the Gang of 8 in 2013.
Obama was President for 8 years and did DACA, but not a general amnesty, and we would have probably beat that too if Trump and SCOTUS hadn’t combined to screw that up. What was President Hillary supposed to do any different?
If anything good about immigration is ever going to happen, there has to be lots of Republicans in Congress. And to the broader point, it’s baffling for me that somehow you really don’t get how the unpopularity of President Trump is negatively affecting public opinion at large wrt immigration and a hundred other things besides. In fact, most likely you’re not really playing it straight here. It’s not like it’s a subtle thing.
You DO NOT know what you are talking about. I have been a member of NumbersUSA for a long time and EVERYBODY was on pins and needles during that cloture vote when GWB was trying to push it through a lame duck session as he was going out. It was 5 Democratic Senators that kept that amnesty from happening because they needed 60 votes to end cloture. Now you might say that it was all due to the 45 Republicans but they fully expected it to pass so voted against it. Had those Democrats voiced support, there would have been a flood of Republicans voting for it to "get it off the table" and not be "racists".
Who had more pull in the Senate McAmnesty (may he rot in hell) or Gramnesty. We were forever and still are fighting to negate these people.
The GOP House did NOT beat back the Gang of 8 amnesty. It was the public primarily because of ONE man - Senator Jeff Sessions. It was his after hours You-Tubes of all the hidden trash in the bill that made Americans aware of just how bad it was. The GOP leadership was all for it and did everything they could to hide things like allowing an applicant to lie twice on US passport forms and still be eligible for an amnesty. As Session said on the floor of the Senate "If an American did any of this he'd be in prison". That was the bill McCain and Graham wanted to shove down our throats.
If anything good about immigration is ever going to happen, there has to be lots of Republicans in Congress.
Yeah just like in 2017 when Ryan went all out to give us what we want.
And to the broader point, it’s baffling for me that somehow you really don’t get how the unpopularity of President Trump is negatively affecting public opinion at large wrt immigration and a hundred other things besides.
And you know this for a fact? After all, we all knew how unpopular Trump was in 2016 - the people on CNN told me so.Replies: @Boethiuss
Immigration restrictions win, especially on defense, when there are numbers and motivation among the Republicans in Congress and public support for restrictions. The GOP in the Senate successfully filibustered GWB's amnesty in 2007, I think, and the GOP House beat the Gang of 8 in 2013.
Obama was President for 8 years and did DACA, but not a general amnesty, and we would have probably beat that too if Trump and SCOTUS hadn't combined to screw that up. What was President Hillary supposed to do any different?
If anything good about immigration is ever going to happen, there has to be lots of Republicans in Congress. And to the broader point, it's baffling for me that somehow you really don't get how the unpopularity of President Trump is negatively affecting public opinion at large wrt immigration and a hundred other things besides. In fact, most likely you're not really playing it straight here. It's not like it's a subtle thing.Replies: @MarkinLA
The GOP in the Senate successfully filibustered GWB’s amnesty in 2007, I think, and the GOP House beat the Gang of 8 in 2013.
You DO NOT know what you are talking about. I have been a member of NumbersUSA for a long time and EVERYBODY was on pins and needles during that cloture vote when GWB was trying to push it through a lame duck session as he was going out. It was 5 Democratic Senators that kept that amnesty from happening because they needed 60 votes to end cloture. Now you might say that it was all due to the 45 Republicans but they fully expected it to pass so voted against it. Had those Democrats voiced support, there would have been a flood of Republicans voting for it to “get it off the table” and not be “racists”.
Who had more pull in the Senate McAmnesty (may he rot in hell) or Gramnesty. We were forever and still are fighting to negate these people.
The GOP House did NOT beat back the Gang of 8 amnesty. It was the public primarily because of ONE man – Senator Jeff Sessions. It was his after hours You-Tubes of all the hidden trash in the bill that made Americans aware of just how bad it was. The GOP leadership was all for it and did everything they could to hide things like allowing an applicant to lie twice on US passport forms and still be eligible for an amnesty. As Session said on the floor of the Senate “If an American did any of this he’d be in prison”. That was the bill McCain and Graham wanted to shove down our throats.
If anything good about immigration is ever going to happen, there has to be lots of Republicans in Congress.
Yeah just like in 2017 when Ryan went all out to give us what we want.
And to the broader point, it’s baffling for me that somehow you really don’t get how the unpopularity of President Trump is negatively affecting public opinion at large wrt immigration and a hundred other things besides.
And you know this for a fact? After all, we all knew how unpopular Trump was in 2016 – the people on CNN told me so.
In 2007, the final cloture vote was 46-53 against (ie 14 votes short not just 4), and there were 12 R's for cloture and 16 D's against cloture. So basically typical R Senator had a roughly 3/4 chance of opposing that particular amnesty (and a signature initiative of a Republican President, it's worth noting), whereas the arbitrary D 3/4 chance in favor.
It's also been largely forgotten, but there was also a huge grassroots groundswell against amnesty as well, orchestrated by Mickey Kaus IIRC as much as anybody. The phones to the Capitol were jammed for two weeks solid.
For the Gang of 8 in 2013, Jeff Sessions had a huge role, but so did the GOP House of Representatives. Without GOP control over the House, the YouTube videos would have been irrelevant. If the Democrats held the House, they could have just ignored public opposition and passed the amnesty anyway, just like they did for Obamacare. And of course, without a Senate seat, Jeff Sessions couldn't have made the videos in the first place. There was also public mobilization against, as well. Maybe not quite as strong as 2007, but significant nonetheless.
So that means the things that our side had to defeat the amnesties are all in jeopardy now:
Jeff Sessions, and/or other effective GOP restrictionist leaders
Mickey Kaus
GOP control over at least one chamber of Congress
Public mobilization
except Mickey Kaus. He'll be doing his internet-based immigration advocacy regardless. The rest of them, they are all in danger of being wiped out because Trump.
At this point Trump himself is a lost cause. The other things are definitely in play, and now is the time to save what can be saved.
Yes, he is a failure and I voted for him and donated money to his first campaign. I haven’t donated a dime since his idiotic dance on DACA and his general gutlessness on immigration. However, we won’t be getting anybody better any time soon.
Cruz may have actually been better on immigration but his globalists views on trade would have meant President Clinton.
You DO NOT know what you are talking about. I have been a member of NumbersUSA for a long time and EVERYBODY was on pins and needles during that cloture vote when GWB was trying to push it through a lame duck session as he was going out. It was 5 Democratic Senators that kept that amnesty from happening because they needed 60 votes to end cloture. Now you might say that it was all due to the 45 Republicans but they fully expected it to pass so voted against it. Had those Democrats voiced support, there would have been a flood of Republicans voting for it to "get it off the table" and not be "racists".
Who had more pull in the Senate McAmnesty (may he rot in hell) or Gramnesty. We were forever and still are fighting to negate these people.
The GOP House did NOT beat back the Gang of 8 amnesty. It was the public primarily because of ONE man - Senator Jeff Sessions. It was his after hours You-Tubes of all the hidden trash in the bill that made Americans aware of just how bad it was. The GOP leadership was all for it and did everything they could to hide things like allowing an applicant to lie twice on US passport forms and still be eligible for an amnesty. As Session said on the floor of the Senate "If an American did any of this he'd be in prison". That was the bill McCain and Graham wanted to shove down our throats.
If anything good about immigration is ever going to happen, there has to be lots of Republicans in Congress.
Yeah just like in 2017 when Ryan went all out to give us what we want.
And to the broader point, it’s baffling for me that somehow you really don’t get how the unpopularity of President Trump is negatively affecting public opinion at large wrt immigration and a hundred other things besides.
And you know this for a fact? After all, we all knew how unpopular Trump was in 2016 - the people on CNN told me so.Replies: @Boethiuss
What you’ve written here isn’t exactly right but basically the sort of things that you’re talking about are exactly the things that we’re in the process of losing because Trump.
In 2007, the final cloture vote was 46-53 against (ie 14 votes short not just 4), and there were 12 R’s for cloture and 16 D’s against cloture. So basically typical R Senator had a roughly 3/4 chance of opposing that particular amnesty (and a signature initiative of a Republican President, it’s worth noting), whereas the arbitrary D 3/4 chance in favor.
It’s also been largely forgotten, but there was also a huge grassroots groundswell against amnesty as well, orchestrated by Mickey Kaus IIRC as much as anybody. The phones to the Capitol were jammed for two weeks solid.
For the Gang of 8 in 2013, Jeff Sessions had a huge role, but so did the GOP House of Representatives. Without GOP control over the House, the YouTube videos would have been irrelevant. If the Democrats held the House, they could have just ignored public opposition and passed the amnesty anyway, just like they did for Obamacare. And of course, without a Senate seat, Jeff Sessions couldn’t have made the videos in the first place. There was also public mobilization against, as well. Maybe not quite as strong as 2007, but significant nonetheless.
So that means the things that our side had to defeat the amnesties are all in jeopardy now:
Jeff Sessions, and/or other effective GOP restrictionist leaders
Mickey Kaus
GOP control over at least one chamber of Congress
Public mobilization
except Mickey Kaus. He’ll be doing his internet-based immigration advocacy regardless. The rest of them, they are all in danger of being wiped out because Trump.
At this point Trump himself is a lost cause. The other things are definitely in play, and now is the time to save what can be saved.
Used to be Southrons said "hisself" which to a Northerner's ear sounds terrible and is evidence of bad breeding. But, as someone pointed out, it is "himself" which is wrong. Him doesn't possess a self. You give something to a "him". "His" owns something, i.e. his own self.Replies: @TheTrumanShow
“himself” is wrong only because it’s singular and the subject is plural. accordingly, it should be “themselves” (i.e. The leaders … believed that they themselves were remaining loyal …).