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  1. No! He should deploy the Corp of Engineers to build the wall. And he should shine on the judges that tell him he cannot do that, until the wall is built.

    Or he should instruct that all employers with federal contracts must use E-verify.

    I would prefer the latter.

    • Replies: @Realist
  2. newrouter says:

    I like the smell of Fed gov’t “shutdown” first thing in the evening.

    • Agree: Travis
  3. Whatever gets him reelected.

    • Disagree: Hail
  4. Anon[905] • Disclaimer says:

    Nooooooo !!!!
    Accepting such a palrty amount of fencing would be cucking harder than a White Nationalist at a Ramadan celebration !!!!!

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  5. anon[238] • Disclaimer says:

    Any deal is a deal with criminals and will only embolden more illegal entry.
    Trump has had the power from day one to stop immigration. He can shut down busineses that employ illegals. He can fine landlords that rent to them. He can confiscate property of Hollywood celebrities that keep them as gardners and nannies. He can deport illegals. He can use DOD funds to build a wall. He can station as many military personnel as he wants on the border. He can harass illegals to make them self-deport. He can stop all legal immigration with executive orders, bureaucratic delay, etc. He can ignore and defy illegal circuit court injunctions.
    Trump has done none of this.
    Trump is a fool, a weakling, a con man, and a coward.
    Period.

  6. anon[338] • Disclaimer says:

    that’s WORTHLESS!

  7. Hibernian says:

    55 miles? Are you kidding?

    • Replies: @Aardvark
  8. snorlax says:

    Depends on the details. If it includes a limit on ICE beds like the Dems have been talking about, a “Dreamer” amnesty or some other big negative, then no. Otherwise yes; however meager a result it’s better than nothing.

  9. I think we could have had rigorous E-verify. We could have forced the democrats to argue against it and show their contempt for working natives, and probably peeled off a few that way. That was a winnable argument. Instead, we will get a shred of fence. Donald Trump is an ass.

  10. The Trump presidency essentially died in the early parts of 2017 when Gorka and Bannon were purged and the Jewish establishment got their favourite Kushner to run the ship. Since then, Trump has been reduced to being an edgy poster on Twitter with nothing of substance to show for it.

    These are just residual spasms which will continue until he gets wrecked in 2020 and then we get amnesty and it’s basically a one-party state at that point.

    In some sense it will be liberating. White people should stop being slaves to the GOP and must think as a people, an ethnos, not as civnats or as conservatives or liberals. No other group put their political ideology ahead of all other identity markers. Neither should whites.

  11. Anon[111] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s really hopeless. Trump is just not up to the job.

    To deal with immigration there is so much that has to be done.

    — A wall, of course. Does it have to cover the whole border, and be made of concrete? Maybe not. But it needs to be way more extensive than any compromise. Look at the terrain and transportation to the border on the Mexican side, and priortize that way. Berlin style in urban areas, fencing with sensors in the middle of the desert.

    — The obstructionist federal court system needs to be dealt with. This will be difficult, and I really miss Sessions, who was tactical and strategic. This is where constitutional-crisis balls of steel are necessary.

    — eVerify made mandatory, and with teeth for corporations and their officers and boards.

    — Financial services only for citizens, permanent residents, and long-term non-immigrant visa holders (with balances going to treasury the day after visa expiration). Strict money laundering and structuring enforcement for transnational transfers. Literally zero tolerance for transfer of money by illegals: No, you don’t get to do that. Put it in your pocket and deliver it in person.

    — Housing restrictions and disclosure via tax forms for renters and sellers: SSNs, bank accounts, no cash transactions. Make finding a place to live a hassle; make the origin country look not so bad.

    — Carrot-stick program to get rid of the “good” illegal aliens. A PATCO 100 percent goal. Pay them to get the ** out. Confiscate everything they own to fund their deportation costs if they don’t. Bio-ID them and never ever let them in again.

    — Anchor baby system: Shut it down, change laws, retroactivly if possible. Can naturalized citizenship be taken away? Try it and see. Shift the Overton window on that.

    — H1-B system, graduate student visas, etc., make them go home after the visa expires. Make them apply for new visas from the U.S. consulate in their home countries.

    When looked at this way, the wall is such a small part of it, and the easy part. If Trump cannot move on that, he’s useless. He had two years with a Republican house.

    I’m wondering who to vote for in 2020. Trump cannot accomplish anything. I don’t think he really cares that much about the issues, but even if he did, you need execution ability; you need to come in, send people into the bowels of the departments, figure out how things work, reassign people, put new people in, appoint scads of judges, and so on. You need to campaign against incumbent Republican candidates to get more extreme people into the party.

  12. “People involved in the talks say Democrats have proposed limiting the number of immigrants in the country illegally and caught inside the U.S. — not at the border — that the agency can detain.”

    https://www.apnews.com/0f1657ef0b3c4241aa3ef50cdf6db901

    Very well then; take no prisoners.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  13. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    No.

    Have another shutdown excluding essential workers, let it go 30 days, then RIF lay-off the furloughed workers and order the Army Corps of Engineers to start building an Israel-style fence on public land while initiating eminent domain cases against private land owners who won’t sell.

  14. Lot says:

    Detention beds go down 20%, meaning catch and releaygets ramped up.

    In return for, less money for physical fences than 2018 funding.

    Just another Senate “deal” that is worse than the status quo.

  15. Garbage deal, it cuts detention beds by 17%, it doesn’t fix catch and release, actually creates more of it by reducing beds. The whole thing is $1.375 billion dollars, which is LESS than the original $1.6 billion democrats were offering before the shutdown.

    Declare a national emergency and build the wall. Honestly, without ending our insane asylum policies and catch and release, nothing is worth it. The Uniparty truly despises this nation.

    • Agree: densa
  16. Jake says:

    55 miles of fence around Washington DC or NYC or San Francisco or Los Angeles or Detroit or Philadelphia or St. Louis or Chicago or Atlanta or Portland or Seattle?

    If we fence off those cities, making certain all the Liberals who live there are inside, then the country may be salvageable.

  17. istevefan says:

    …for 55 Miles of Fence?

    Hell no!

  18. Mikeja says:

    Yes…and then declare an emergency to build another 1945 miles

    • Replies: @reactionry
  19. gman says:

    what he should do is he should use the ICE Beds for non-criminals and release the criminals. Then when the criminals commit crimes, he can blame Dems.

  20. Wilkey says:

    55 miles is approximately 1/36th of our border. Trump should come back and offer to accept the deal on the condition that only 1 in 36 Democrats can have locks on his windows and doors.

    • Replies: @Hail
  21. Wilkey says:

    As for the detention beds he should totally accept that deal, just tell them that as soon as all the beds are full all other asylees are automatically rejected and returned go their home countries.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  22. @Anon

    You left out minimum wages and tax payments for immigrants, legal as well as illegal. (Which the states themselves can enact. Both minimum wages and discrimination by citizenship are now practiced by almost all states. Just combine the two.)

    How high would these have to be for them to reach the income tax threshold? How high to push them to the median household tax payment?

    $30/hr? $45/hr?

  23. J.Ross says: • Website

    Shut it down. If you take this I assure you the Democrats will wriggle out of even the 55 miles.
    ——–
    First mainstream Jewish journalists told the truth about AIPAC, now the New Yorker (perhaps still smarting over Weinstein’s escape) does a story on Black Box. And they specifically talk about electoral interference — Israeli electoral interference. Is this advance damage control for Mueller? Was Putin right about Israelis with Russian passports?
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/02/18/private-mossad-for-hire

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Autochthon
  24. Lot says:

    Rep. Mo Brooks had a hearing, his military witness agreed that the president may order it to build the wall at any time under existing law.

    [MORE]

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — At a house armed services committee hearing Tuesday, Huntsville-area U.S. Rep. Mo Brooks, citing federal law governing roles for the military, offered a plan for a border wall.

    “I want to direct your attention to 10 United States Code 284,” Brooks said in Tuesday’s hearing.

    The section deals with counter-drug measures the U.S. military can participate in, including:

    (6)The detection, monitoring, and communication of the movement of—

    (A) air and sea traffic within 25 miles of and outside the geographic boundaries of the United States; and
    (B) surface traffic outside the geographic boundary of the United States and within the United States not to exceed 25 miles of the boundary if the initial detection occurred outside of the boundary.
    (7) Construction of roads and fences and installation of lighting to block drug smuggling corridors across international boundaries of the United States
    (8) Establishment of command, control, communications, and computer networks for improved integration of law enforcement, active military, and National Guard activities.
    Brooks said it appears to him that under the code section, U.S. troops “can be used by the president of the United States to direct the United States military to build a wall. Now, as of today, you’ve mentioned military forces along the southern border, have any of them been deployed pursuant to 10-USC-284?

    John Rood, undersecretary of defense for policy, testified at Tuesday’s hearing.

    “I don’t believe any of our forces have been deployed pursuant to 10-USC-284,” he said. “You are correct however that that use of authority would authorize the Secretary of Defense to erect barriers, roads, fencing, those type of materials to disrupt drug smuggling.”

    During the budget impasse, President Trump raised the prospect of an emergency declaration to use U.S. troops and existing defense funds to build the wall, but he’s held back on issuing that declaration.

    Tuesday Brooks asked if the counter-drug law he cited also required a declaration.

    “Does 10-USC-284 require the declaration of a national emergency before it is implemented?”

    “No,” Rood replied.

    Brooks asked if the military was ready for the job.

    “To build such barriers as are necessary to secure our southern border from drug trafficking and international crime cartels, would the United States military obey that order?”

    “If we judge it to be a lawful order, yes sir,” Rood said. “And, I assume it would be.”

    The continuing resolution that reopened the government last Friday is due to expire Feb. 15

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Hail
  25. This “deal” is rotten, you can smell its its stench all the way from inside the Beltway. So, my fellow Americans, get ready to BOHICA.

  26. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Wilkey

    The Democratic Party essentially controls deportation itself through judges who hate the Constitution. We’re not allowed to deport people. “Deportation” means arresting someone and then trying to convince a judge that they ought to be deported. When the judge is an Obama judge, he will simply release the illegal. Even if the judge agrees that the person should be deported, they sometimes still remain here for no discernable reason. When we “deported” people under Obama we politely asked that people show up at the hearing and then never pursued the matter further.

  27. Hail says: • Website
    @Wilkey

    55 miles is approximately 1/36th of our border

    According to a news report in late 2017, 354 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border had barriers designed to block people on foot (18% of border length), a significant portion of which is of inferior quality and has a high breaches-per-mile rating (see article).

    The proposed 55 extra miles would be just under 3%, for a new total of 21% of the border blocked by some kind of barrier to foot traffic (of varying levels of quality).

    He has had two years and only now got a deal to move from 82% open to 79% open?

    Failure. Meanwhile, so much left undone [Anon-111].

    #PrimaryChallengeTrumpFromTheRight

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    , @Boethiuss
    , @istevefan
  28. No way.

    What’s so frustrating is that if his name were John McCain or Mitt Romney he probably could have slipped 5.7 billion into the budget for a wall and they never would have noticed. As it is, they can’t give him anything because Orange Man Bad, and they must humiliate Orange Man to lock up 2020 and basically open borders to be followed by one party rule.

    Trump should offer, “Give me 20 billion for the wall and I will not seek re-election in 2020.” See how they handle that one.

  29. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Lot

    I hope to god he sees your comment or Rep Brooks’s analysis.

  30. He should take it. Once the 55 miles get built, just keep building. Force the Ninth Circuit to stop him. Invoke national security to blunt that challenge. If necessary, stage a violent skirmish at the border to bolster his case. Build some more. Point to reduced crossings as proof the wall works, shutting up the Dems. Get the public behind him even more.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  31. If Mr. President is testing the wind, it’s cold. Speeches don’t make a leader, action does. Trump’s speeches are empty, ’cause he doesn’t follow up. Crackers don’t listen well and are tired of the words. Please, Mr. President, don’t talk any more.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  32. Hail says: • Website
    @Lot

    Date of that hearing/article: Jan. 29, 2019.

    Might Mo Brooks be a primary challenger in 2020? This is serious business; We need Trump out and someone who actually gets the job done in.

    • Replies: @Lot
  33. snorlax says:
    @snorlax

    Apparently no limit on ICE beds, so yes he should take it. Monday morning quarterbacking is fine but won’t make it Sunday again.

  34. J.Ross says: • Website

    It absolutely has to without negotiation be sea to sea or it’s not a barrier. NPR offered an idiotic argument that part of the border is a beautiful national park; yeah, well, look at Hungary’s beautiful cemetaries and monument parks after “refugees” have passed through them, that’s what your beautiful park will look like if it is the weak point.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  35. Hail says: • Website

    Apparently the loyal R-team company-man Sean Hannity went off script as the news of the deal came in. He condemned the deal on air, off the cuff:

    Any Republican that supports this garbage compromise, you will have to explain.

  36. Anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thulean Friend

    The Trump presidency essentially died in the early parts of 2017 when Gorka and Bannon were purged and the Jewish establishment got their favourite Kushner to run the ship.

    Man you are so confused. Please explain how this is Kushner’s fault.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  37. Steve, OT –

    Does not today’s Ilhan Omar Twitter fiasco provide an excellent piece of data regarding the Intersectionality Pokemon Point hierarchy?

    When one thinks of shithole countries, two come to mind: Haiti and Somalia.

    A Somalian, female, muslim (and therefore likely genitally altered) congresswoman is taken down by AIPAC and the AJC, with the obsequious approval of the Democratic power establishment.

  38. @Anon

    How else do you learn to impose White Sharia?

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @Anon
  39. Hail says: • Website
    @Uilleam Yr Alban

    an excellent piece of data regarding the Intersectionality Pokemon Point hierarchy

    Jewish Privilege in action.

  40. @Mikeja

    Mikeja: Ran out of LOL’s, but good one!

    While at first glance such a deal would seem to be as “ugly as 55 miles of bad road,” it might not keep President Trump from building more of the barrier using the military and/or DOD funds.

    Also, if the pact goes through, the Democrats will have at least appear to have accepted a wall in principle (in truth they do not believe that the US as presently constituted has a right to exist at all) and Trump could then spend the next two years informing the voters that 55 miles is an absurdly short length for an agreed-upon goal. Donald is the best we have for now, but he is what he is* and it is to be devoutly wished that someone moderates his tweets before they are “published” lest he describe the miniscule amount of funding for a fence as “niggardly.”

    * One of his severest (and best) non-genocidal, non-ultra-Stalinist critics is IMO Ann Coulter
    https://vdare.com/articles/ann-coulter-to-donald-trump-hey-commander-start-commanding?scroll_to_paragraph=1

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  41. @Anon

    The Democrats cover for Republicans on immigration, the Republicans cover for the Democrats on taxes is how it usually works.

    • Agree: Rosie
  42. @Anon

    He had two years with a Republican house.

    What does that have to do with anything? Paul Ryan and most of his party were bought and paid for the the US Chamber and the Ag Lobby. Trump has had many obstacles in his way, some hidden like the Republican Cucks, and some openly opposing him like the Democratic ethnic interest groups. In some ways the cucks are far worse. So until they were dealt with nothing was going to happen.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    , @RichardTaylor
  43. Kirt says:

    If you’re Trump, you declare yourself the winner no matter what happens. It’s what you do.

  44. @J.Ross

    Undocumented immigrants’ littering is attractive, unlike yours, deplorable.

  45. J.Ross says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    Correction: the story is about Black Cube-style mercenary Mossadniks but not primarily about Black Cube itself, although they get a few paragraphs, and not at all about Italian nineties dance music act Black Box.
    Cute note: all the Israeli electoral interferers are militant, militant!, that new laws be passed and online electoral interference be scrutinized.

  46. Whiskey says: • Website

    This deal will pass. And we can expect President Kamala Harris.

    America is over. Survival is however still possible.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  47. @Patrick in SC

    What’s so frustrating is that if his name were John McCain or Mitt Romney he probably could have slipped 5.7 billion into the budget for a wall and they never would have noticed. As it is, they can’t give him anything because Orange Man Bad,

    Lots of people supported him because of the way he triggered and pissed off liberals. Now it’s obvious that’s actually one of his greatest weaknesses.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  48. Wilkey says:
    @Hail

    He has had two years and only now got a deal to move from 82% open to 79% open?

    This is why he should have held off on the tax cuts until he got a wall. Once big business got their cuts conservatives lost any leverage we had on immigration issues.

  49. snorlax says:
    @Prof. Woland

    What does that have to do with anything?

    I’d also point out that the GOP House voted to fund the wall at least a dozen times; it was blocked by the Senate, where Democrats were able to sustain a filibuster and the barely-there GOP majority (starting at 52-48, declining to 50-49) depended on such figures as John McCain, Jeff Flake, Lisa Murkowski, Bob Corker, Marco Rubio, Susan Collins, Lindsey Graham etc. etc.

    A bunch of people in this thread seem to think the President is like Kim Jong Un and his word is law. Hate to break it to you guys, but that’s not how it works.

  50. @Thulean Friend

    The Trump presidency essentially died in the early parts of 2017 when Gorka and Bannon were purged and the Jewish establishment got their favourite Kushner to run the ship. Since then, Trump has been reduced to being an edgy poster on Twitter with nothing of substance to show for it.

    You are aware that the Trump presidency started in the early parts of 2017? Bannon and Gorka were fired in mid 2017. But I agree it was clear from the beginning that Trump was making rotten, GOP establishment appointments. His labor initial labor appointment was all the evidence you needed that Trump wasn’t going to help his middle and working class supporters.

    Bannon may have been better than Kushner but he was still a tool. He worked in the media for years and what were his ideas for fixing and regulating the industry? What did we get from Bannon besides a temporary partial Muslim ban that sadistically and unncessarily went into effect mid flight for people and was clearly designed to elicit maximum outrage rather than keep out muslims?

    • Replies: @Pericles
  51. @snorlax

    Yet he still chose to shut down the government only after republicans lost control of congress.

    And Trump actually is like Kim Jong Un when it comes to the wall, e verify, restricting legal immigration, and a whole bunch of his other compaign promises.

  52. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump seems to be playing the long game, and he seems to be winning. He supposedly “lost” the first government shutdown, but he seems to have “won” the Oval Office address vs Chuck and Nancy. SOTU was a resounding victory for Trump, even if certain themes, like wanting more people coming in than ever, but legally, didn’t please some of the base, and reasonably so. We also have the Virginia Dem implosion, AOC releasing and backtracking on her ridiculous Green New Deal, and the congresshijabi denouncing AIPAC and being forced to officially repent. Plus every new Dem 2020 candidate seems ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  53. newrouter says:

    Just remember Hillarity was suppose to be the God Emporess . Alot of vague “laws” at the God Emporer’s disposal.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  54. Anoni says:

    He should take it, and then get the Corps of Engineers to build the rest. As long as there are no poison pills in the bill.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  55. Boethiuss says:
    @Patrick in SC

    What’s so frustrating is that if his name were John McCain or Mitt Romney he probably could have slipped 5.7 billion into the budget for a wall and they never would have noticed. As it is, they can’t give him anything because Orange Man Bad, and they must humiliate Orange Man to lock up 2020 and basically open borders to be followed by one party rule.

    This is exactly right. The problem is, a lot of us have deluded ourselves into thinking that the Orange Man Bad of the current year is some creation of the media, the Deep State, or a (((Jewish))) conspiracy. It’s not. There’s plenty of Americans who think that way as well, white Americans, Americans who are persuadeable to voting Republican, restricting immigration, building a wall, what have you.

    None of those things will come into play until the primary problem is resolved, which is to get the Orange Man off the TV screen and out of the twitter feed.

    Trump should offer, “Give me 20 billion for the wall and I will not seek re-election in 2020.” See how they handle that one.

    God, that would be the solution to so many problems if you could pull it off.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  56. Boethiuss says:
    @Uilleam Yr Alban

    A Somalian, female, muslim (and therefore likely genitally altered) congresswoman is taken down by AIPAC and the AJC, with the obsequious approval of the Democratic power establishment.

    Yeah this. It’s pretty tiresome how so much of alt-right here and elsewhere insist on complaining about (((Jewish))) crap. There’s nothing stopping us from doing what they do.

    You think all the Jews who have pulled strings to high-hand that Somali woman into an apology have love for Netanyahu or any other Jewish/Israeli politician? Of course not, but they know how to play for the team in spite of that. For us, there’s no bottom to the amount of backsniping we have in store for John McCain or Paul Ryan.

  57. Lot says:
    @Hail

    Unfortunately Brooks came in third when he ran for Jeff Sessions seat, despite having Bannon and Coulter behind him.

    Trump already has a 2020 warchest of about $70 million, control of the RNC, and 85% approval among registered republicans.

    If there is some better patriotic billionaire out there, that’d be great. But more likely he’s the best we got. Thiel and Musk aren’t natural born citizens. Perot must be 90 by now. Maybe Rebekah Mercer?

  58. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Boethiuss

    I think that Trump’s antics on twitter and elsewhere are ultimately more important than the wall.
    We could have a wall, but if we hide behind it like cowards, we still lose.
    Trump may be rather more uncouth than I’d personally prefer, but he fights back to a degree far exceeding any “conservatives” of prominence in recent times.
    The bulk of his rather acerbic commentary amounts to mocking and exposing the hypocrisy of his opponents. Take Elizabeth Warren, for instance. I sometimes cringe at the things Trump says about her, but ultimately, the woman is an absolute liar, who knew perfectly well that she was overwhelmingly white (no matter how much she might have internally cared about her possible Indian ancestry) and lied about it to gain rewards. This type of pernicious nonsense pervades modern society, and I don’t see anyone who has even come close to Trump in fighting it and actually winning. Many are fighting it, for sure, but Trump is winning. (Obviously he has benefited from others, our host here among them.)

    • Agree: Marat
    • Replies: @Marat
  59. Boethiuss says:
    @Hail

    #PrimaryChallengeTrumpFromTheRight

    Find a candidate, I’ll probably support him.

    I think most of the commenters here would support Tucker Carlson.

    • Replies: @Hail
  60. Lot says:
    @Anon

    “Can naturalized citizenship be taken away?”

    Yes, and it happens regularly, a few dozen cases per year. You just need to show fraud at some stage of the immigration process, which is rampant.

    This is the most famous case:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmea_Odeh

    The way to really ramp it up is target Somali marriage fraud.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  61. istevefan says:
    @Whiskey

    We are not going to see the demographics of 40 years ago return in our lifetime. However, there is still something to fight for. Right now things have been going against us. But our side really has some positives going for us.

    1) There are at least 100 million of us in the USA alone. That many people in a nation would be in the top 15 by population worldwide.

    2) If you attribute 1/3rd of US GDP to us, we’d have a GDP of $6.3 trillion, number 4 in the world. Even if we contribute only half of that, we’d still be around $3.2 trillion which would put us at number 7.

    3) Our 100 million is the most heavily armed civilian population in history.

    Put those three together and nothing will happen to us that we do not want to happen. We haven’t even begun to organize or fight back. Our economic clout could really be used to great effect. No matter what big biz does, they are capitalists and are addicted to money. The only reason they have gone full SJW is because they think they will get burned if they don’t. SJWs seem to organize boycotts or threats at the drop of a dime. We do not. Once our side does the same, big biz will have a change of heart. There is no way no businesses will allow a $4 to $5 trillion dollar market to fall to its competitors.

    I can’t wait for our side to start flexing its collective muscle. No matter what Trump does, don’t lose site of the fact our group still has plenty of levers to pull.

    • Agree: BenKenobi, Travis
  62. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Yeah, if only he was a guy who would never do that, he could totally do that, except, well, you know.

  63. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Boethiuss

    How is resenting betrayal by a traitor comparable to playing for the team in unique lockstep? There probably are no Israeli analogs to Ryan or McCain. They existed once but certain historical events have made them scarce.

  64. istevefan says:
    @Lot

    “Can naturalized citizenship be taken away?”

    Lot, I figured you would have hit that out of the park with an example of a WW2 camp guard being stripped of his citizenship and deported.

  65. ‘Or he should instruct that all employers with federal contracts must use E-verify.

    I would prefer the latter.’

    This makes me realize something.

    It’s apparently more important that you agree to buy Israeli products than that you are in the country legally.

    Would that be a matter of priorities?

    • Replies: @densa
  66. Lot says:
    @Redneck farmer

    “How else do you learn to impose White Sharia?”

    Used to be you had to go to Syria:

    Now just go to a public elementary school in Sweden.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  67. @Anon

    — H1-B system, graduate student visas, etc., make them go home after the visa expires. Make them apply for new visas from the U.S. consulate in their home countries.

    Why is there always some ridiculous position like this one taken by seemingly otherwise sane persons?

    Eliminate the H1-B system, all graduate student[s’] visas, etc.; make them go stay home after the visa expires. Make them apply for new visas from the U.S. consulate in their home countries. or at least find some other, stupider nation to invade, because jobs in America are for Americans, and American universities were built by Americans for American students. We do not have zero unemployment, reasonable wages enabling people to raise families, or any shortage of people perfectly capable of graduate studies, so piss off.

    There; I fixed that part for you. You’re welcome.

    • Replies: @densa
  68. @Boethiuss

    ‘A Somalian, female, muslim (and therefore likely genitally altered) congresswoman is taken down by AIPAC and the AJC, with the obsequious approval of the Democratic power establishment.’

    It would be interesting if we made being circumsized grounds for barring somebody from public office.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Anonymous
  69. istevefan says:
    @Hail

    Hail, one good thing about the offer of 55 miles is that it is so ridiculous Trump should be able to dismiss it out of hand without even thinking about it. It would be one thing for them to have offered something much more material which might make him hem and haw over whether or not to take it. But by offering 55 miles, they are basically telling him to fu*k himself.

    In real life I actually like it when I get such a ridiculous offer. I can walk away and not regret it later. The worst offers are ones that are close to the sweet spot, but not perfect. Then if you walk away, you often find yourself thinking about whether or not you made a mistake.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  70. @J.Ross

    I don’t know, nor can I be bothered to exert even nominal effort to determine, what in Hell “Black Box” is in this context. I merely want to observe, in my puerile way, that Black Box should be – and doubtless is, according to Rule 34, the title of an execrable* blue movie.

    *Is there any other kind?

  71. Mr. Anon says:

    Trump called for more legal immigration – much more – in his SOTU speech. He’ll say anything he thinks is popular. Or just anything that comes into his head. He’s an idiot. I thought he might prove to be a useful idiot, but apparently he’s the other kind.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  72. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    We’re not even allowed to insist that they be exclusive American citizens, like the antipodals. We’re not even allowed to ask. An anon is doing real Robert hours seeking FOIAs about Congressional dual citizenship. He might as well be demanding to know what’s really at the bottom of Groom Lake.

  73. Mr. Anon says:

    I can’t wait for our side to start flexing its collective muscle. No matter what Trump does, don’t lose site of the fact our group still has plenty of levers to pull.

    Do we? Every event that you would think would finally put a break on immigration results in………..more of it.

    9/11 – you’d think people’s response to that would have been “let’s stop letting muslims in; it’s just too risky”. But no, we got MORE muslims.

    2016 – A candidate was elected on a platform of America First; he even talked about building a wall. Annnnnnnnnd…………..we get nothing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Jack Hanson
  74. @istevefan

    With respect, sir: You may not wish to wait, but if you truly “can’t wait for our side to start flexing its collective muscle” – well, I’m interested in what will happen? Will you dry up? Or fester like a sore—and then run? Will you stink like rotten meat? Or crust and sugar over—like a syrupy sweet? Maybe you’ll just sag like a heavy load. Or will you explode?

    We’ll soon know, because it’s two hours past midnight and ain’t nobody done, doing, or yet about to do anything at all. You cannot rally suicides and fools, be they ever so numerous or wealthy. The third of the population you describe adore Donald Trump (they recon he sure is socking it to them hippies!),stare at iPhones while they wait in queues at Target and Wal-Mart to buy Budweiser and Chinese plastic, swear by the American truck they drive (assembled from parts manufactured in Mexico), and cannot get enough of sports-ball on the tee-vee or telling people they ain’t racist. Hell, that’s a good third of the people who frequent iSteve – an unrepresentative, uncharacteristically self-selected group with greater intelligence and situational awareness than most, to put it mildly.

    (If we don’t hear from you again, we’ll assume you dried up or exploded.)

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @istevefan
  75. @reactionry

    …the miniscule amount of funding for a fence as “niggardly.”

    Minuscule. But at least you got niggardly right!

    We’re safe for now!

  76. MarkinLA says:
    @Anonymous

    The news is constantly reporting that Kushner is acting as some kind of liaison between Trump and Congress with Kushner telling the Congress what Trump will accept – you know like the real estate agent you hire that tells the buyer’s agent the lowest price you will accept.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @Anonymous
  77. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Immigration of educated or educable Europeans, I mean actual Europeans, would be okay.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @Mr. Anon
  78. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Muslims belong in Muslim countries because Islam rejects separation of mosque and state. We will never be an islamic country so they should not even want to be here if they are such Muslim Muslims.

  79. “Beto O’Rourke speaks to cheering supporters through a fence. It doesn’t get more symbolic than this.”

    Yes, it perfectly crystallizes the iSteve-ian meme Trump finally picked up on, that the elites get to enjoy the protection of barriers, and average Joes just have to learn to deal with it.

  80. MarkinLA says:
    @snorlax

    When Schumer threatened a shutdown over DACA, the Democrats folded like a cheap suit. Trump never pushed for anything. He had 10 Senators in red states looking at an election in 2018 and he did nothing to squeeze them.

  81. MarkinLA says:
    @Anoni

    There will be. It still has to get past Pelosi.

  82. MarkinLA says:
    @Boethiuss

    When did McCain and Ryan ever play for MY team?

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  83. Wilkey says:
    @istevefan

    Hail, one good thing about the offer of 55 miles is that it is so ridiculous Trump should be able to dismiss it out of hand without even thinking about it.

    Well said. Trump’s initial request was for 215 miles of wall. That in itself is only about 1/9th of the length of the border. If it’s unreasonable it’s only unreasonable in the sense that it’s too little, not too much.

    For a guy who’s all about “the art of the deal,” he doesn’t seem to have done much to sweeten the pot for the Dems. He should offer a dollar-for-dollar match for programs favored by the Dems – give me $5.7 billion in funding for a wall and I’ll support $5.7 billion in…more solar panels or windfarms or whatever.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @istevefan
  84. MarkinLA says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes, but it would be used as the camel’s nose to start the ball rolling again on unlimited immigration.

  85. MarkinLA says:
    @Wilkey

    He should offer an end to the “carried interest” deduction that Ryan put in the tax bill that Trump campaigned against. Use the money generated to pay for the wall.

    • Replies: @res
  86. istevefan says:
    @Wilkey

    For a guy who’s all about “the art of the deal,” he doesn’t seem to have done much to sweeten the pot for the Dems.

    I know Trump is supposed to be a master negotiator. If so he should realize he doesn’t have to sweeten shit for the democrats because they already got theirs with the 1986 amnesty, as well as the 1965 and 1990 immigration acts.

    One of the problems our side has is that those representing us, which really hasn’t included anyone truly on our side, always seem to negotiate immigration as though our side must make some concessions rather than realizing that our side has already conceded the largest transnational movement of people in history, about 60 million and incrementing at about 1 million per year.

    • Replies: @densa
  87. Enochian says:

    He should declare martial law, suspend the constitution, and carry out mass deportations until the country is a white ethnostate.

    There, I’ve said it.

  88. Wally says:
    @snorlax

    Agreed.

    And he can take the money for the ’55 miles’ and still declare an emergency and build the rest of the wall from a different pile of money.

    • Replies: @Realist
  89. anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    *Steve, sorry if this is an accidental double post. Please delete one if it is.*

    According to ANTI WHITES:

    100% white = 0% diverse
    0% white = 100% diverse

    White places will be acceptably “diverse” when there are NO white people left in them!

    This is fanatical Anti White hostility as matter of public policy

  90. @MarkinLA

    Indeed. Realtors are complete parasites; just one giant, pointless, transaction cost adding no utility whatever to the transaction (Hell, at least your lawyer has a fiduciary and ethical obligation to properly review the documents to ensure they are sound and not rip you off). The day realtors are chuckled at with wry derision or bemusement the way, say, televangelists or crackpots with divining rods generally are nowadays, that’ll be the day you’ll know civilisation stands a chance.

    it will never come, of course.

    Perfect analogy, though!

  91. getting closer to just being a bullshit artist who got lucky. per z-man.

  92. rufus says:

    Were gonna mine a field !

    Separate from this, heres the guy you constantly slag as unconmpetitive in sprints.

    He tears it up before an after the moscow games in ’80

    Alan wells

    1/84 perhaps

  93. Sure, and then he should do a Teddy Roosevelt move and order all the troops out of Syria and Europe to be stationed on the US Mexico border to make up for the “gaps” the Congress has decided to leave in our national defence… maybe Israel will force the Dems to relent.

  94. @Thulean Friend

    Thulean Friend wrote:

    White people should stop being slaves to the GOP and must think as a people, an ethnos, not as civnats or as conservatives or liberals.

    If white Americans have to play the same “grievance games” as non-Asian minorities, then the United States of America is gone.

    The whole point of America is that a person could succeed through his individual talents or efforts, not simply as a member of a group. If Edison, Ford, Jonas Salk, and everyone else who contributed something significant to America had been engrossed not with their own personal achievements but rather with grabbing the white folks’ share of the overall pie, then they would have had no personal achievements.

    If your picture of the future — white folks as just one more ethnic group scrambling for their share of the spoils — is accurate, then, thank you, I’ll think about Down Under as a real alternative.

    Civic nationalism or emigration! If whites become just one more grievance group, you “white nationalists” are welcome to fight over the carcass of what was once the United States of America. Count me out.

  95. @istevefan

    istevefan wrote;

    We are not going to see the demographics of 40 years ago return in our lifetime. However, there is still something to fight for. Right now things have been going against us. But our side really has some positives going for us.

    Here is the history of the United States of America during the next hundred years:

    The GOP will occasionally and weakly try to slightly restrict immigration.

    But, since 1953, no party has held on to the White House for longer than 12 years at a time (and the 12 years was only once — Reagan/Bush ’43).

    No matter what the GOP does, within 8 or 12 years, the Dems will retake the White House and undo what the GOP has done (walls can be torn down).

    Therefore, for most of the time during the next hundred years, large-scale immigration will in fact continue.

    The USA will be Hispanicized.

    If our “white nationalist” friends have their way, whites will just become one more grievance group fighting over the crumbs.

    I really think I’d better push my kids to brush up on their Mandarin!

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @istevefan
  96. Realist says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    No! He should deploy the Corp of Engineers to build the wall. And he should shine on the judges that tell him he cannot do that, until the wall is built.

    Or he should instruct that all employers with federal contracts must use E-verify.

    How about both?

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  97. Realist says:
    @anon

    Trump is a fool, a weakling, a con man, and a coward.

    He is also a member of the Deep State. All his promises were a charade.

  98. Realist says:
    @Wally

    And he can take the money for the ’55 miles’ and still declare an emergency and build the rest of the wall from a different pile of money.

    But of course he won’t.

  99. Pericles says:
    @Anon

    Don’t forget to crush the scofflaw sanctuary cities.

    • Replies: @densa
  100. TTSSYF says:
    @snorlax

    Yes, it could be a small step in the right direction and have a snowball effect.

    One question I have yet to see asked or of the mayor of El Paso, who is disputing Trump and stating indignantly that crime and illegals were down before the wall between El Paso and Mexico was built. So why was it built? Have I missed some explanation of this?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  101. @TTSSYF

    There was a big buildup of the Border Patrol in El Paso starting in 1993: Operation Hold the Line under future conservative Democratic Congressman Silvestre Reyes. It was pretty effective.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1994-07-27/news/mn-20325_1_el-paso

    Reyes was driven out of office by Beto O’Rourke.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  102. TTSSYF says:
    @anon

    I agree with everything you wrote, except for the last two sentences. Maybe I’m being conned, but I’m not ready to give up on Trump yet. No one was even saying what he’s been saying since his announcement in 2015. It may be all talk, but at least there’s a conversation where before there was none. He’s appointed what, to all appearances, are two solid, conservative Supreme Court justices and is likely to appoint at least one more before he’s out of office. That right there makes his election worth it to me.

    Personally, I’m willing to give him through the end of his first term before giving up on him, and (again, maybe I’m deluding myself) it may be that he throws all caution to the wind with a second term. At the very least, he’s been a catalyst for change. If he’s not going to follow through on his promises, then, hopefully, someone will come along who says everything Trump does and is willing to follow through, but I haven’t seen or heard of anyone like that yet…at least, no one who shows any inclination to run for the office. And if no one better comes along, I’ll vote for Trump again. What’s the alternative?

  103. TTSSYF says:
    @Bragadocious

    Agreed. Rasmussen has his approval at 52%, despite the media’s all-out efforts since his election to drive it into the low 30s and provide the foundation for his impeachment. This could set a precedent that the majority of Americans respond positively to and accelerate more wall-building.

  104. Hail says: • Website

    I’ll vote for Trump again.

    I believe you mistyped and meant to say:

    I’ll vote for President Kushner again.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  105. TTSSYF says:
    @Lot

    To help gentile whites develop more self-confidence as a group, I think we need a brilliant gentile to save us, not some brilliant Jewish person.

  106. Anonymous[951] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    Yes. Additional points:

    – 2A. Very hard to diminish that right.
    – 1A. Can redpill the rest of the white world
    – Unconquerable except by destroying the will to maintain borders
    – Nukes.
    – Vast natural resources

    The USA already pumps out the ZOG soft power all over the globe. Everything except the 2A favors ZOG in this position. So this is kind of a natural role for the US, one of those geographical truths like Gibralter or Constantinople being key important places to control.

  107. Pericles says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    besides a temporary partial Muslim ban that sadistically and unncessarily

    “Sadistically”? Sure buddy … OK, at least now I’ve got you tagged.

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
  108. Pericles says:
    @Boethiuss

    It’s pretty tiresome how so much of alt-right here and elsewhere insist on complaining about (((Jewish))) crap. There’s nothing stopping us from doing what they do.

    Hello there fellow.

  109. Anonym says:
    @PhysicistDave

    The whole point of America is that a person could succeed through his individual talents or efforts, not simply as a member of a group. If Edison, Ford, Jonas Salk, and everyone else who contributed something significant to America had been engrossed not with their own personal achievements but rather with grabbing the white folks’ share of the overall pie, then they would have had no personal achievements.

    That’s a false dichotomy. Why can’t Jacob Schiff be both successful businessman and ethnic activist? Your own example of Ford published the Dearborn Independent. The point of America is the following:

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

  110. @snorlax

    Exactly. They want Trump to be a dictator. I wonder if they will want Kamala to have that much power.

    • Replies: @Anon
  111. Pericles says:
    @PhysicistDave

    If your picture of the future — white folks as just one more ethnic group scrambling for their share of the spoils — is accurate, then, thank you, I’ll think about Down Under as a real alternative. … Count me out.

    Just register for the last time as a very unique individualiste marching to a different drummer — or is that following a different piper — an Independent, and conspicuously vote for nothing; then twirl away to Oz and enjoy your new Chinese neighbors.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  112. neutral says:
    @Boethiuss

    For us, there’s no bottom to the amount of backsniping we have in store for John McCain or Paul Ryan

    I have seen some bizarre comments in my life, but this one truly wins first prize. McCain and Ryan should be regarded as nothing less than arch enemies, so why they should be spared criticism is beyond me.

  113. IHTG says:

    Reality check: Trump did a five week shutdown, gave multiple speeches about the Wall during that time, and couldn’t move the needle in public opinion.

    Again: Americans are squishes on immigration. You’ve got to fight with the army you’ve got.

    • Replies: @Corn
  114. TTSSYF says:
    @Hail

    I ask again: What’s the alternative?

    If there’s viable alternative, I won’t vote for Trump. But if it’s a choice between Trump and any of the Dems in that clown car or some sanctimoneous, “third-way” candidate such as Schultz — well, I’ll vote for Trump. What would you suggest? Abstaining?

  115. TTSSYF says:
    @Steve Sailer

    And yet they still built a wall. Must have figured that, in the long-run, it would be more cost-effective and endanger fewer lives than having humans holding the line.

  116. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Congresswoman Omar would have to give up her seat for sure.

  117. @Prof. Woland

    Trump has had many obstacles in his way, some hidden like the Republican Cucks, and some openly opposing him like the Democratic ethnic interest groups. In some ways the cucks are far worse. So until they were dealt with nothing was going to happen.

    Okay, so why didn’t Trump say any of that at the time and create pressure? You know, like a negotiator would. Why didn’t he use the leverage he had against the GOP cucks? Probably, because he was never serious in the first place.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
  118. @snorlax

    A bunch of people in this thread seem to think the President is like Kim Jong Un and his word is law. Hate to break it to you guys, but that’s not how it works.

    Trump should have told us he would try to build a wall … unless it would be hard! His strutting rooster routine is fun, and his attacks on PC are great, but the guy has the negotiating and executive know-how of girl scout.

  119. Seneca44 says:

    This is a bad deal and Trump should not accept it. A criticism of those of us who want secure borders is that Trump often overstates the number of criminals and potential terrorists coming across. Particularly with regard to the latter group, we are seeking zero penetrance at our air and sea ports–this is why we subject Grandma to colonoscopy level screening when she wants to fly to Florida. We should seek the same security at our southern border, even if terrorist entry is rare. After all, it only takes one…

  120. Hubbub says:

    Should Trump Agree to Reported “Deal” for 55 Miles of Fence?

    A resounding NO!

  121. Aardvark says:
    @Hibernian

    Why they would never think of going around the 55 mile long fence, would they?
    Would this be our Maginot Trump line?

  122. Sandmich says:
    @PhysicistDave

    If white Americans have to play the same “grievance games” as non-Asian minorities, then the United States of America is gone.

    I like the other replies to your unreasonable comment, but I will only add that I don’t know why you let Asians off the hook in that game, perhaps you don’t read enough Steve Sailer.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  123. Anon7 says:

    President Trump should declare an national emergency AND a government shutdown. His trump card is that if some Democrat federal judge blocks his national emergency wall funding, he’ll just continue the shutdown indefinitely. Heads I win, tails you lose.

  124. No, he has all the leverage. The people want the wall he just has to market it and be assertive. Marketing is what he does so that shouldn’t be an issue. The only issue is him wtf has he been doing this past 2 years? what does this guy really believe in (other than himself?)

  125. @Uilleam Yr Alban

    Ms. Omar was born in Somalia, not Hawaii, right?

    How did she get trained in being a Western left-wing politician, including the leftie shade-throwing on AIPAC and then the backpedaling followed by the forward pedaling?

    Is her confluence of ideas and ideology a thing in her native country?

    Or is she an exemplar of a person who was very rapidly assimilated to whatever passes for political culture in Minnesota? Is she a member-with-a-headscarf of Garrison Keillor’s Norwegian Christian Socialist Temperance Party of moralizing busybodies from Lake Woebegon?

  126. Hibernian says:
    @snorlax

    The senate could easily abolish the filibuster.

  127. Corn says:
    @IHTG

    “Again: Americans are squishes on immigration.“

    I said this two or three years ago. Americans say they want immigration enforcement but as soon as the crying niños turn up on tv they go wobbly.

    Too many Americans would rather lose their country than be called racist.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  128. Corn says:

    I’d like to know what happened to Trump’s executive order to abolish jus soli for children born to illegal immigrants.

    You know, the idea he floated right before the midterms then forgot

  129. Boethiuss says:
    @MarkinLA

    They’re Republicans aren’t they? They were playing for your team every day they were in politics.

    But even that’s ancillary even. The fact that you would even ask that question already means you’re a fcukup. You’re not Paul Ryan or John McCain. You’ve got your situation in life, they’ve got theirs. Their mistakes and their failures are not an excuse for you to fail your own obligations.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  130. Travis says:

    it is a bad deal…not even a quarter of his request to build a 250 mile wall for $5 billion. He also requested funding for more detention centers, which congress has obstructed.
    Unless he gets a minimum of $2.5 billion to fund 150 miles of the wall he should shut the government down again.

  131. Anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @MarkinLA

    The news is constantly reporting that Kushner is acting as some kind of liaison between Trump and Congress with Kushner telling the Congress what Trump will accept.

    Sounds like it is Congress’s and Trump’s fault.

  132. nsa says:

    Trumpstein SOTU a couple of days ago called for legal immigrants to enter the country in “THE LARGEST NUMBERS EVER!!!!!!!!!”. “LEGAL IMMIGRANTS ENRICH OUR NATION AND STRENGTHEN OUR SOCIETY IN COUNTLESS WAYS”.
    Hey, all you pathetic gullible deplorables………bend over and get enriched by your hero, the penultimate judas goat.

  133. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    Immigration of educated or educable Europeans, I mean actual Europeans, would be okay.

    But that’s not who it will be.

  134. As always, the devil is in the details.

    Some people are saying that there is flexibility built into the package on key matters, such as how much is allocated to ICE beds. Supposedly, in principle funds can be moved around to get the number of beds necessary.

    If so, and if Trump is in no way prevented from declaring a national emergency in addition to this funding, why not go with it? At least he can start building the walling the package funds, even if the national emergency is tangled up in the courts for a good deal of time.

    • Replies: @densa
  135. It’s the Capital Cirque du Unreal,
    In which Nancy the White Clapping Seal
    Forces Cowardly Lion
    And Poodle of Zion
    Through a hoop labelled “Part of the Deal”.

  136. res says:
    @MarkinLA

    He should offer an end to the “carried interest” deduction that Ryan put in the tax bill that Trump campaigned against. Use the money generated to pay for the wall.

    That one fascinates me. It seems like everyone claims to be against it, yet it remains.

  137. istevefan says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Here is the history of the United States of America during the next hundred years:

    That’s possible. But history doesn’t always play out in a linear fashion based upon current events. Your grandfather or great grandfather could have written a forecast of how the next hundred years would play out back in 1914. I highly doubt he would have predicted the demographic transformation of the USA from a European super majority into what it is now. I doubt he would have predicted the islamification of Europe, let alone the rise and fall of the USSR and Hitler.

    Things can change and they usually do. Often it is sparked by an event no one foresees.

    I really think I’d better push my kids to brush up on their Mandarin!

    Why?

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Anon
    , @PhysicistDave
  138. MarcB. says:
    @anon

    He can harass illegals to make them self-deport.

    The weaponization of the Social Security Administration is the first place to start. Multiple illegal aliens use one valid SSI number to gain employment and establish themselves financially. Target them with audits and fine and arrest those who refuse to comply.

  139. Yngvar says:

    President Trump has lost a lot of chips since the unions figured out how to kill any shutdown by strategically deploying sick days.

  140. Trump has a “Hadrian moment” awaiting him. Call the emergency, take troops home from Syria, repurpose them under the Corp of Engineers, and get going.

    Having the guts to act when the situation demands will get him re-elected.

    55 miles of fence will lose the 2020 election for him. There is really no excuse, and all the propaganda in the world will not erase the fact.

  141. Hail says: • Website
    @istevefan

    Your grandfather or great grandfather could have written a forecast of how the next hundred years would play out back in 1914

    We do, of course, have some of these, from right about a century ago, give or take a decade or two. They are worth a look from the distance of a century.

    One famously is by Lothrod Stoddard, The Rising Tide of Color (1919), and he gets a remarkable amount right. It’s really worth a reading, a century later, with eye to comparing how his proposed trajectories and what actually occurred over the subsequent century of history. I’d say he was a lot more accurate, on several fronts, than what we can reconstruct to have been the mainstream attitudes of his day.

    One important thing he got wrong, one thing he certainly did not predict, though: Peaceful, large-scale Nonwhite settlement into the core areas of Western countries with ‘Western’ acquiescence, if not sponsorship outright. He briefly entertains this idea in various forms, here and there, in the book, but rejects it as too wild and implausible.

  142. bjondo says:

    one 55 at a time
    till done.

  143. densa says:
    @Colin Wright

    I think you’re on to something here. We must buy a foreign product without discrimination. That is a forced market, when supposedly the red team loves free markets. But not as bad as when foreign people are entitled to forcibly take our citizenship benefits without limit. We are told we must accept foreign entitlement to our country without limit, aka an invasion. That is forced taxation without representation when government conspires to use our wealth and its power illegally on behalf of non-citizens to our detriment. Yep, must be a matter of priorities.

  144. densa says:
    @Autochthon

    I’m over my agree limit. Agree! Especially with this:

    American universities were built by Americans for American students. We do not have zero unemployment, reasonable wages enabling people to raise families, or any shortage of people perfectly capable of graduate studies…

  145. densa says:
    @istevefan

    Agree about the concessions. Our nation has already made unprecedented concessions in our quality of life. Nothing else should be conceded. The open borders side must finally recognize and deliver on the promises made to enforce immigration control. Our replacement could never be a legitimate function of a legitimate government.

  146. densa says:
    @Pericles

    Don’t forget to crush the scofflaw sanctuary cities.

    Why isn’t this being challenged by the DOJ? How can it be legal to aid and abet those breaking the biggest law of all–coming here illegally, and helping them to heaping piles of tax-paid benefits? Doesn’t this violate the civil rights of those made to pay to illegal activity, especially when it’s against our conscience as well as our own well-being?

  147. Hibernian says:
    @newrouter

    Subject to veto by left wing judges.

  148. densa says:
    @candid_observer

    I know this is fantasy, but Congress needs to rewrite the laws on asylum. The situation is changed and the law needs to reflect the reality of 5 million wanting to come this year from South and Central America alone. Beds are not the answer. Neither is a wall with welcome centers built into it.

  149. songbird says:

    Sure, if the fence is quadralateral (or other shape) and guards a large prison camp into which all the illegals and their supporters will be sent.

  150. Anon[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Dictator? No.

    Not stymied with an investigation supported by his own party that ostensibly represents the base that voted him into office, and not resisted by that same party on the wall in the first two years: yes.

  151. Anon[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    Your grandfather or great grandfather could have written a forecast of how the next hundred years would play out back in 1914. I highly doubt he would have predicted the demographic transformation of the USA from a European super majority into what it is now. I doubt he would have predicted the islamification of Europe, let alone the rise and fall of the USSR and Hitler.

    You “highly doubt”? Why?

    Are you of some type of idiosyncratic view that men of 1914 were less educated on the Bible and the Jews to include historical complaints against them and the threat that they posed?

    That the non-PC White man of 1914 was somehow ignorant as to the reality and implications of the Civil War and where the politics were leading?

    That he would have been unaware of the prior (Semitic) Islamification of Spain and Anatolia, who was commonly thought to have assisted in that effort, and the threat that it still posed then for the rest of Europe?

    Read any 19th century book, written by almost any European, to gain an appreciation for the higher average intelligence of the common man in that era: as demonstrated by the increased complexity of the syntax and vocabulary in comparison with almost any modern book.

    The 8th grade educated man of 1914 was no intellectual slouch, nor was he politically ignorant.

  152. @snorlax

    I agree as well, as no as there is no limit to ICE beds. A little bit is better than nothing. Doing the ‘national emergency’ thing is politically precarious, I realize it’s happened before, but a president openly defying the supreme court is a dangerous thing. Especially so because that will set a precedent for the democrat in the executive office.

    The bigger thing has to be more e-verify use, more fines of businesses employing illegal aliens. No jobs here means not as many risk takers to break the law.

  153. peterAUS says:
    @Autochthon

    Correct assessment of the present.

    Now…what happens when there are no more iPhones, Budweiser, cheap plastic and ball games?

    My take: they”ll need, no, DEMAND, leaders.

    Maybe we (whoever that “we” are) just need to build that leadership material. Switch from “informing people” to “work on and for quality people”. Focus on…say…..5 % tops of people you know are on your wavelength. Five percent, tops.

    Say, on this very site, just “chat” with those who show some promise there. Ignore the rest.

    Just a thought.

  154. Take the deal. The door has opened. $1.375 B is better than $0.

    Trump has to fight the D’s and R’s. Not one of the 535 dipshits in Congress would bring this up if not for Trump. He can’t do this by himself and he has little help.

    And this $ is just till Sept 30. We’ll see how much we can get for 2020.

  155. Anon[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer

    White Sharia is easy. Just revert to 1950’s style southern social exclusion based on manners and other behavior. Our Sharia is the kindest and most civilized on the planet. The only thing it doesn’t block is the Culture of Critique in a nation that has let them out of the pen.

  156. @Lot

    Eric Prince.

    • Agree: Hail
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  157. @Mr. Anon

    Blame boomers. As the latest grnerations grow up with this nonsense you see opinions changing.

  158. Marat says:
    @Anonymous

    Since it looks like he is refusing to follow through on the wall, Trump would be more useful going back to fighting the Culture War fulltime. He can do this in his sleep. The political battles are a complete waste of time unless they also deliver significant blows to the narrative.

  159. @RichardTaylor

    You might be right. I tend to write this off as him being inexperienced at politics and dealing with the legislature. He was outmaneuvered. You would think that the political advisers he has around him would have guided him better but some of them are cucks too. Rather than pushing for a tax cut he should have gone after immigration right off the bat. The problem is that he would have hit the same obstacles, only sooner.

    However, the type of obstruction we are witnessing is not just the Democrats abhorrence to the Donald. The three most cohesive-organized-motivated powers withing the Democratic Party are the Hispanic, Asian Pacific Islander, and Black caucuses. Nothing can now get out of committee without their blessing and their top concern is their own ethnic / racial interests. They just look white with Pelosi and Schumer’s faces hung out there like window dressing. A wall might be the least efficient way to deal with immigration but it is effective against Latinos who are more prone to walk across the border, hence their concerns and inability to negotiate in good faith. The coalition that is the left cannot make a deal because no one in their coalition wants to be the one who draws the short straw.

    This is why Trump needs to declare an emergency and ram the fence down their throats. Once it is built it will be all over except the crying. Better yet, he can then take on other parts of the pro-immigration coalition. They realize that if they don’t all hang together they will hang separately. Use the fence to fragment the coalition and they take them apart in pieces.

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  160. istevefan says:
    @Autochthon

    (If we don’t hear from you again, we’ll assume you dried up or exploded.)

    I haven’t dried up or exploded. Nor have I quit like you have appeared to do.

    As for the Trump supporters you disparage, they are my people. And they will be a part of any future I might endeavor for. They might not be aroused to the state of anger one would wish, but they did elect a guy like Trump who openly campaigned on issues that just 3 years ago would have disqualified any other candidate. They resisted intense social pressure and ostracism to do this.

    Though you find them lacking, they are not fully to blame. Like any army or movement they must have quality leadership. Not only have they not had this, but their supposed leaders have actually been working against their interests. In fact many of the GOP leadership are still working against their interests.

    As I wrote earlier, this group has enormous potential political, economic and even military clout. They just need the right leadership and direction in using it. Time will tell if Trump is the one. But at least changes are starting, and people are openly discussing subjects today in public that they were afraid to just a few years ago. Many bad republicans have been pushed out. More need to go.

    Remember it always takes longer to clean up a mess than to create it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  161. To answer the question: Yes, what’s good for Israel is even better for USA.
    Will he fold? Probably yes; too may Mnuchins, Kushners and Swampers in his entourage.
    All US employers should use e-verify under penalty of heavy fines; business executives for companies bigger than $10M should go to jail if illegals are found working on their premises.

  162. @istevefan

    istevefan wrote to me:

    [Dave]Here is the history of the United States of America during the next hundred years:

    [istevefan]That’s possible. But history doesn’t always play out in a linear fashion based upon current events. Your grandfather or great grandfather could have written a forecast of how the next hundred years would play out back in 1914.

    Of course. I was intentionally being, let’s say, provocative: i.e., I welcome anyone pointing out a plausible alternative future.

    Perhaps I should have said: “If our white nationalist friends have their way, the history of the next hundred years will be…”

    I do have some trouble seeing a likely alternative to the “future history” I sketched. Perhaps the most likely alternative is that some figure actually appears who can really sell “civic nationalism” — i.e., convince the vast majority of whites and blacks alike (and, indeed, legal Hispanics) that their long-term interests lie in a united America not riven by grievance games.

    I am, alas, pessimistic, though I still think it worth fighting to save the American Republic on a basis of equal justice under the law.

    As to “Mandarin,” my kids do indeed know some Mandarin, and the future of China right now looks brighter than the future of the USA. I truly do wish the Chinese well, but, yes, I would really like to restore and preserve the American Republic. Can it be done?

    All the best,

    Dave

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @istevefan
  163. Lot says:
    @Jack Hanson

    I’m open to that from what I know of him.

  164. Hail says: • Website
    @Boethiuss

    Tucker Carlson

    He won’t run, but a kind of “litmus test” for the viability of an anti-Trump Republican challenger in 2020 would be Tucker’s implied (or even explicit) endorsement.

  165. Hail says: • Website
    @PhysicistDave

    the future of China right now looks brighter than the future of the USA. I truly do wish the Chinese well, but, yes, I would really like to restore and preserve the American Republic. Can it be done?

    Calls might well be heard, in coming decades, for the Chinese to take Whites in North America and perhaps Europe under their protection, in a kind of ethno-protectorate setup, perhaps geographic or perhaps entirely supra-geographic.

    Not a realistic hope, from what we know of Chinese character, but I can already see this political space getting eagerly filled by White rightist Quislings. Some such people are even regular commenters here at iSteve.

  166. istevefan says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Can it be done?

    Only if we try.

    As to “Mandarin,” my kids do indeed know some Mandarin, and the future of China right now looks brighter than the future of the USA.

    I have no problem with people learning languages. It’s a worthy pursuit. I was just being somewhat argumentative because I don’t subscribe to the theory pushed by some that Mandarin will become the lingua franca of the world. Yes, China will have the largest GDP. But they had the largest GDP in something like 8 of the previous 10 centuries and their language never became like English, or French before that or Latin, or Greek, etc.

    I think Mandarin is probably too hard for most to learn. The Chinese also at this point don’t seem to be culturally dominant. You could make the case the Japanese have more cultural influence with their movies and the introduction of new consumer goods they pumped out in the 1980s. China at this point just seems to pump out foreign technology at a cheaper price.

    Even if the USA becomes more like Latin America, I would imagine it will still be run by wealthy Whites/Jews who will continue to flood the world with our movies and media. So long as the place doesn’t fall into some civil war it should still be a large market. It will just be a different place with less liberty and fewer and fewer places that resemble the America we all long for.

    So I don’t see Mandarin becoming the a common language unless the Chinese shift into another gear and start to culturally influence the world.

    Who knows if Soros had his way Esperanto would become the world language.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  167. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Contra Don-Don Lancaster, there really are native speakers of Esperanto.

    Soros is one. And he is a thoroughly evil man.

    Esperanto is an idea whose time came and went. English will become the Latin of the future, albeit in bastardized forms in many instances.

  168. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prof. Woland

    However, the type of obstruction we are witnessing is not just the Democrats abhorrence to the Donald. The three most cohesive-organized-motivated powers withing the Democratic Party are the Hispanic, Asian Pacific Islander, and Black caucuses. Nothing can now get out of committee without their blessing and their top concern is their own ethnic / racial interests. They just look white with Pelosi and Schumer’s faces hung out there like window dressing. A wall might be the least efficient way to deal with immigration but it is effective against Latinos who are more prone to walk across the border, hence their concerns and inability to negotiate in good faith. The coalition that is the left cannot make a deal because no one in their coalition wants to be the one who draws the short straw.

    The blacks would be much better off throttling immigration and most of the smarter ones know it full well but the blacks always vote how they are told by the Big Men, who are controlled, indeed defined, by ((non-black outsiders)). Therefore, they do and can not act in the genuine interests of their own people, when they conflict with the ((non-black outsider)) narrative. But blacks will not vote independently.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  169. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    people are openly discussing subjects today in public that they were afraid to just a few years ago.

    Such as what?

  170. MEH 0910 says:

  171. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The blacks would be much better off throttling immigration and most of the smarter ones know it full well

    Not true. White solidarity is a greater cost to blacks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  172. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Not true. White solidarity is a greater cost to blacks.

    Maybe to their feelings, but materially and in terms of their own well-being, blacks are better off under White rule, since they cannot maintain much of a civilization for themselves.

    More blacks are killed by other blacks in inner city shootings in any given year than were lynched in the entire history of post-Reconstruction Jim Crow America.

  173. @istevefan

    istevefan wrote to me:

    I have no problem with people learning languages. It’s a worthy pursuit. I was just being somewhat argumentative because I don’t subscribe to the theory pushed by some that Mandarin will become the lingua franca of the world.

    I agree — I know a bit of Mandarin. It is indeed hard to learn — you can get the hang of the tones after a while, but the characters are enormously harder than alphabetic writing.

    There’s a big time delay in terms of which language serves as the lingua franca. French was widespread long after France was no longer the dominant power. And, of course, Latin lasted more than a millennium after Rome fell. A similar point holds for Aramaic and, no doubt, many other lingua francas.

    But, my kids of course already know English as their native language (they also can speak and read French). Given the relative decline of the USA and rise of China, Mandarin is the obvious next choice.

    (Incdientally, China will almost certainly hit various “bumps in the road” when people will claim that the “Chinese miracle” is over. Still, it is looking as if China will surpass the USA in many respects before this century is out. I just hope the US ruling elite does not start WW III to try to stop the rise of China!)

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  174. @Sandmich

    Sandmich wrote to me:

    I like the other replies to your unreasonable comment, but I will only add that I don’t know why you let Asians off the hook in that game, perhaps you don’t read enough Steve Sailer.

    Asians are not really getting much out of the grievance game: as has been discussed numerous times here on unz.com, they are actively being discriminated against at the Ivies, for example. The left-wing Asian activists lack roots in their own communities: they are just tools of the ruling white elite.

    However, the GOP is clueless at how to attract Asian-Americans.

  175. @Pericles

    Pericles wrote to me:

    Just register for the last time as a very unique individualiste marching to a different drummer — or is that following a different piper — an Independent, and conspicuously vote for nothing; then twirl away to Oz and enjoy your new Chinese neighbors.

    Better to live in China than Venezuela!

    Seriously, “white nationalists” are just playing into the hands of the (still largely white) ruling elite. A country splintered among feuding ethnic groups is ideal for the ruling elite to maintian their power. Play one group off against another, tell each group that the rulers have done their best and it’s those other groups that are opppressing them, it’s the classic imperialist ploy: divide and conquer.

    It worked for Rome, it worked for the Ottomans, it can work for a very long time.

    Doesn’t work so well for any of the ordinary people, of course.

  176. @Anon

    Right. So how does he do that without being a dictator? I think he might have gotten more done if he wasn’t fighting every single Elite institution in the world. And they are coming at him with both barrels. And not just him but everyone close to him. I’m surprised they haven’t murdered him yet. Who else is out there to take our mantle?

  177. Anonymous[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Well, he caved on the wall, may worsen immigration numbers, stayed in Syria, and may be in the pocket of the Israeli lobby even more now, but good to know he won the SOTU against Chuck and Nancy. When my grandkids are living in reverse prison 3rd world houses on subsistence socialist wages, I’ll be able to tell them about the great 2019 SOTU address where ‘we showed’em’ and how it was all worth it.

  178. MarkinLA says:
    @Boethiuss

    I didn’t know I was on the lick billionaire’s asses and fuck whitey up the asses team. Good to know. It’s no wonder the GOP keeps trying to screw us, they have useful idiots like you who vote for them no matter how many times they shove it up your ass. Thank you sir, may I have another.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  179. Boethiuss says:
    @MarkinLA

    I didn’t know I was on the lick billionaire’s asses and fuck whitey blah blah blah …….

    Yeah, yeah, yeah this is bullshit. But more importantly, it’s very likely that it would still be stupid and irrelevant even if it were true.

    We have to be worrying more about GOP voters and less about GOP politicians and donors. It is their position in society and their propensity to hold good jobs and raise children that it is your obligation to support, through the Republican Party. And if you fail that obligation (as apparently you are) it is your failure.

    John McCain and Paul Ryan have little if anything to do with that.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  180. He got some money. $1.3749999999999 billion dollars more than the $1 Pelosi offered pre shutdown. He made clear his disappointment in the compromise Congress worked out yesterday.

    In the past, I’ve seen argued here that : (1) no matter what sum is agreed upon, Congress will stop him from using it to build the Wall. (2) He can just declare an emergency, tell any intervening Court to stuff it, and build the sucker, or, conversely, declaring a national emergency is useless because he can’t get around the courts, which will enjoin it.

    So, seems to me like he should take the money, start the Wall, and continue to lobby for more funds as it’s built. He has a small majority of the public on his side after his well received SOTU.

    He can still declare the emergency if he feels the need. Or if Congress won’t allow the wall to be built with the designated funds, he can make an issue of that. But this at least gives him cover to start construction with the Democrats’ alleged blessing and then to ask for more. No doubt it also causes further rifts in the Dems. And if it doesn’t pass it looks like they negotiated in bad faith to regular people.

    I see no losing side of taking the deal. They weren’t going to give him $ 5 billion, they wanted to give him nothing, and the only other option is the nuclear option which is a card I think he should hold. Get 55 miles of it built (which isn’t nothing) and get the ball rolling.

    It does sound like some people want him to wield dictatorial power and face down some District Court. If push comes to shove, perhaps, but I don’t think the optics are good, especially since we can’t count on Roberts and Ginsberg is still alive (as far as we know).

  181. @Lot

    Who’s Rebekah Mercer? Sounds like a Jewess. Now, Roy D. Mercer I could get behind!

  182. nebulafox says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Interestingly, my experience has been the precise opposite. I find the characters a lot easier to learn than how to actually speak in a foreign language. But I’m probably a bit of an outlier when it comes to language in general-I read ridiculously early according to my mother, but I didn’t speak very well, if at all, until I was 5-6 years old-so I’m guessing your experience is more typical. Protip for Mandarin learners: spend some time in China, or a Chinese dominated society. No better way to pick it up quicker than if you are immersed in it. My Singaporean girlfriend isn’t Chinese (Malay), but most of her friends and colleagues are, and nothing has more radically improved my Mandarin than talking to them-and they tend to be very indulgent of mistakes for people visibly trying to learn! I’m planning on taking the HSK tests this year, and I’ll have them to thank if I do well on the conversational parts that I’ve always struggled with.

    Everything else, I agree with. Other examples include Greek, still the language of the proto-bourgeoisie in the Near East until the Muslim conquests, and German, still the language of commerce and the educated bourgeoisie and nobility throughout Central and Eastern Europe until WWII-as well as a (much better than English, IMO) international language of science. I expect English is going to take a similar role of being a dominant lingua franca well after imperial power disappears.

    >(Incdientally, China will almost certainly hit various “bumps in the road” when people will claim that the “Chinese miracle” is over. Still, it is looking as if China will surpass the USA in many respects before this century is out. I just hope the US ruling elite does not start WW III to try to stop the rise of China!)

    I think Trump will throw the “China hawks” overboard. At least in practice. I actually think Trump, left to his own devices, would be OK with Chinese investment into mass nuclear plants or high-speed rail in the US, which would create tons of jobs.

    I can’t really say the same for the GOP Bonzen, scarily enough. But I don’t think they are likely to win a national election any time soon.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  183. nebulafox says:
    @Boethiuss

    > But more importantly, it’s very likely that it would still be stupid and irrelevant even if it were true.

    Irrelevant? A GOP that actually bothered to advocate for the interests of ordinary Americans over billionaires, corporations, and foreigners would wipe the floor with the Democrats. But that would require a GOP not in thrall to institutionalized mental escapism, which we haven’t seen for a few decades.

    > It is their position in society and their propensity to hold good jobs and raise children that it is your obligation to support, through the Republican Party.

    Too bad that the Republican Party is more concerned with giving Jeff Bezos another tax cut and launching Operation SYRIAN FREEDOM (with money we don’t even have) than encouraging bourgeois stability and fertility.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss
  184. @Pericles

    Why was it neccesarry to spring the ban on people mid flight again?

  185. Boethiuss says:
    @nebulafox

    Irrelevant? A GOP that actually bothered to advocate for the interests of ordinary Americans over billionaires, corporations, and foreigners would wipe the floor with the Democrats. But that would require a GOP not in thrall to institutionalized mental escapism, which we haven’t seen for a few decades.

    Yes, irrelevant. The Republican Party is the means whereby Americans have meaningful power to show solidarity for America. The other side is about using America as an ATM or Holiday Inn for politically favored groups who aren’t us. It’s up to us to empower the Republicans and disempower the other side. That goes whether or not John McCain or Paul Ryan are Republicans. For the most part we understand the concept well enough, we’re just not competent enough to act on it.

  186. @nebulafox

    nebulafox wrote to me:

    Interestingly, my experience has been the precise opposite. I find the characters a lot easier to learn than how to actually speak in a foreign language. But I’m probably a bit of an outlier when it comes to language in general-I read ridiculously early according to my mother, but I didn’t speak very well, if at all, until I was 5-6 years old-so I’m guessing your experience is more typical.

    Well… actually, I could read before I was four, but I held the record at my grade school for years in remedial speech class — they only let me out when I graduated from grade school! I started off unable to pronounce l, th, r, and s: they fixed everything except a slight remaining lisp on s, if I am tired.

    I think all those years in remedial speech gave me an interest in phonetics, so that I now find picking up the sounds in a foreign language a little easier than most Americans do, because it took me so much effort to master the sounds in my native language.

    nebulafox also wrote:

    I think Trump will throw the “China hawks” overboard. At least in practice. I actually think Trump, left to his own devices, would be OK with Chinese investment into mass nuclear plants or high-speed rail in the US, which would create tons of jobs.

    Yeah, I don’t get the widespread “Alt-Right” hostility towards China. Of course, China, quite understandably, expects to be dominant in East Asia and the western Pacific. And, the Beijing regime is not exactly a Jeffersonian republic! But, historically, China does not seem to have had grand imperialist designs beyond the lands contiguous with China: e.g., the famous “treasure fleet” of Zheng He does not seem to have been about grand overseas conquests.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  187. nebulafox says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Hahaha, I was mostly mute. Occasionally, I’d give a one-word sentence. With some intense speech therapy, that went away, but I still struggled immensely to communicate verbally as a kid and an adolescent, for a host of reasons. It drove my parents crazy.

    Obviously, these days, I don’t struggle nearly as badly, especially after having lost the shyness that characterized me until last year. But I still am way better at communicating through writing than speaking. I suppose I’ll always be.

    (I don’t doubt that if I was your age, things would have been a lot worse. Although that would have been mitigated by schools actually, well, teaching me stuff. Perhaps I would have spoke more in school if I wasn’t so freaking bored all the time.)

    >I think all those years in remedial speech gave me an interest in phonetics, so that I now find picking up the sounds in a foreign language a little easier than most Americans do, because it took me so much effort to master the sounds in my native language.

    Any advice? I like to think of the hanzi as an interesting mental puzzle to figure out, so maybe modeling it that way?

    >Yeah, I don’t get the widespread “Alt-Right” hostility towards China. Of course, China, quite understandably, expects to be dominant in East Asia and the western Pacific. And, the Beijing regime is not exactly a Jeffersonian republic! But, historically, China does not seem to have had grand imperialist designs beyond the lands contiguous with China: e.g., the famous “treasure fleet” of Zheng He does not seem to have been about grand overseas conquests.

    I’ll chalk that up to the low-IQ white nationalist contingent failing to prevent their distaste at a successful, powerful non-white hegemon from blocking the realization that the Chinese government is quite “alt-right friendly” in a lot of ways. Your average CCP bureaucrat will be far more open to discussing, say, eugenics or the realities of demographics than your average Christian-Right Republican. To say nothing of being willing to discuss foreign policy as a matter of unsentimental interest rather than abstract ideology.

    And yeah, China just has never had the messianic streak that the US or Russia have historically had. China is a more introverted power that doesn’t care what the barbarians do when they aren’t directly dealing with them and their sphere of influence. This extends beyond the mainland. In Singapore, as long as they toe the line, public order-wise, and recognize unstated Chinese societal dominance, the Malays and Indians are free to do what they want culturally and manage their own affairs.

    (This has led to the situation where Singaporean Malays are more conservative than Malaysian Malays: despite Malaysian Malays living under sharia law!)

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