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  1. Thomas says:

    Initial claims were that the shooter was Antifa but local police are claiming that he was some sort of security guard for a local television station.

    That does not look like a security guard. If it is, I sure hope both the security company and the TV station have their liability insurance paid up and that they read their policies carefully.

    Naturally, I wouldn’t take what either the police or the local news say without a big grain of salt. If it is Antifa, we won’t know for a least a week, if we ever do, after the narrative on this has already been spun that the victim deserved it and the shooter’s social media, etc., has been scrubbed.

    • Agree: Gordo, Jus' Sayin'..., TWS
    • Replies: @gent
    , @Tex
    , @Jack D
    , @Brutusale
    , @Anon
    , @J1234
  2. Very disappointing pose compared to the original.

  3. That he’s a “security guard” is a non sequitur on the question of his AntiFa affiliation isn’t it? AntiFa losers aren’t permitted to have jobs? Why would they make such an announcement if not with the intent to baffle us with bullshit?

  4. gent says:
    @Thomas

    Michael Dolloff is a serial protester who is also a security guard. He was involved in Occupy Denver ten years ago and currently coordinates protests with the National Lawyer’s Guild. He’s antifa, he’s just an employed antifa.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • Thanks: Mr McKenna, Thomas
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Barnard
  5. Bucky says:

    That looks like murder all right.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  6. Anon[145] • Disclaimer says:

    “A private security guard contracted through Pinkerton by 9NEWS is the suspect detained by DPD. It has been the practice of 9NEWS for a number of months to hire private security to accompany staff at protests,” 9News wrote in its report.

    “He had a gun in his hand and he put it down and he didn’t resist the police, he’s being apprehended right now.”

    He didn’t resist police … gosh, I wonder if he’s black or if he’s not black?

    The aerosol can looks like bear spray, a legal, watered-down version of pepper spray.

    • Replies: @gent
  7. White on White shootings are finally getting their moment in the spotlight.

  8. The imagery isn’t that bad.

    The sign says:

    Vote, Vote, Vote

    and there’s a dead body lying underneath.

    • Thanks: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Thea
    , @Redman
  9. gent says:
    @Anon

    The Pinkerton Agency has yet to confirm he is one of theirs.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Chris Mallory
    , @anon
  10. Museum guy has a great tailor, though his victory pose is rather bourgeois and déclassé.

  11. @The Wild Geese Howard

    https://local.theonion.com/copycat-killing-misses-subtleties-of-original-say-poli-1819565673

    “And tying their necks together with a white silk scarf is just an unnecessary flourish, introducing a violent, erotic-fantasy-fulfillment theme that undermines the simplicity and emotional directness that is the real Happy Loving Couple Killer’s signature style. The second I stepped on the scene, I knew something was horribly wrong.”

    • LOL: Rahan
  12. @Stan d Mute

    That he’s a “security guard” is a non sequitur on the question of his AntiFa affiliation isn’t it? AntiFa losers aren’t permitted to have jobs?

    I think in the (first) Minneapolis Target looting/arson there was a great image of an off duty black security guy with SECURITY emblazoned in big letters on his back frantically trying to smash open a self check out machine.

    • Replies: @Sebastian Hawks
  13. gent says:

    This was a media-coordinated political killing. It will come out that NBC 9 planned the confrontation with the protestors with the aim of getting pro-BLM footage. To this end they worked with Jacob Lebron Kelly, the young negro in the video, and Matthew Doloff to select a target and agitate them to get the footage they wanted. Doloff, who it seems is not a security professional in any way, was not able to handle the escalation of violence he initiated against Reverend Lee. He fired his gun, leaving a reverend dead under a sign to vote.

    • Agree: Father Coughlin
    • Replies: @sanjoaquinsam
  14. SZ says:

    For those who misunderstood: The pictures are not from the recent Denver incident, but from the 2016 Ankara incident where a ‘Gülenist’ police officer (the guy in the Kill-Billesque suit) shot and killed the Russian ambassador, after which he was shot by storming security forces, as he was never meant to be captured alive anyhow.

  15. WJ says:

    The Denver Police, who , a month ago, stood by and watched as their own supporters were assaulted by BLM/Antifa at a Back the Blue Rally , have Tweeted that the killer was not associated with BLM or Antifa.

    • Thanks: Father Coughlin
  16. Thea says:
    @Henry's Cat

    Shooting people for their known political affiliations is voter suppression. This and the Portland incident should be treated as such.

    • Replies: @fnn
  17. El Dato says:

    The “Vote Vote Vote Vote” scroll is a nice touch.

    Possibly one of the photos of 2020.

    Probably in “Der Spiegel” tomorrow with an article excoriating The Donald.

  18. AndrewR says:

    Both the dead Russki and the dead “Patriot” are fat af. The bullets just sped up what heart disease was already doing.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  19. Redman says:
    @Henry's Cat

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-10-10/guard-in-custody-after-man-dies-in-shooting-at-protests

    Based on the LA Times this was a “duel” of some sorts: “Man Dies After Being Shot At Dueling Protests.” Kind of like Hamilton/Burr I’m assuming.

  20. GManifesto says: • Website

    I don’t think the Left is the pushover the Right thinks it is. At least not in street fighting in the cities. They appear to be more physically fit than the Right and look like they have started training.

  21. @Bucky

    What do you mean? It’s a still picture.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  22. Tex says:
    @Thomas

    The shooter’s Antifa. The news station hires such as protection against Antifa, much as one hired Al Capone’s thugs as protection.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  23. Another person killed by an “idea”.

  24. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:

    Leftist elites are ticked off at being out of power, so they’re using their close alliance with press to radicalize the young so that the latter will do the elite’s fighting for them. This way elites like Nancy Pelosi aren’t caught performing actual criminal acts— like overthrowing the government—while nonetheless trying to incite these acts.

    The tsar of Russia was overthrown the same way. Aristocratic elites threw him out and installed the Kerensky government, but that in turn was overthrown by the Bolsheviks. The scheming elites lost all control of their own unleashed pets and ended up having to flee for their lives.

    The left has been using these tactics against established governments for ages. They usually end up just making a mess of things. They end up with their own heads on the chopping block when the Robespierres and Lenins show up.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  25. @Stan d Mute

    Even more likely, “security guard” is the service he offered to the protest. They also have “medics” among them. I think they are just saying he’s “not Antifa” because there are no official member lists aside from maybe the planners/higher-level members.

  26. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @gent

    So part of a communist militia.

  27. Jack D says:
    @Thomas

    That does not look like a security guard.

    From the website of the TV station in question:

    DENVER — A private security guard is being held as a suspect in a deadly shooting near the Denver Art Museum, according to the Denver Police Department (DPD).

    The private security guard in custody was contracted through Pinkerton by 9NEWS. It has been the practice of 9NEWS for a number of months to contract private security to accompany staff at protests.

    Like all criminals, Antifa does not enjoy having their crimes filmed and have often attacked reporters and camera crews. In Antifa’s case there are two reasons. First of all the usual criminal reason that the film might be used as evidence to identify and prosecute you. But secondly such film undercuts the narrative that these are “peaceful protests”, that they are spontaneous outcries for justice by oppressed black people,etc.

    In all war zones (and parts of our cities are now war zones) it is the practice of journalists to hire local minders affiliated with the local criminal gang in charge. This is a double edged sword – the minder knows his fellow criminals and will try to keep you out of trouble with them. But OTOH, he will steer you away from filming anything that puts his militia in a bad light.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  28. Jack D says:
    @gent

    Do you think the TV station is lying? Just because Pinkerton “could not be reached” does not mean that they are denying it. Either the reporter called after hours and they literally did not answer the phone because they were closed or else they are in the process of lawyering up and organizing their PR response and they did not want to make any statement until they had their story straight. The worse possible thing that they could do is make an immediate response and say something false or that casts them in a bad light. Much better not to comment until you have had time to prepare a well thought out response.

    Keep this in mind if you are ever called upon to speak to a reporter. No one has given you truth serum. You are not obligated to speak to them immediately and blurt out ill considered responses to the reporter’s gotcha questions.

  29. Can we get one–just one!–conservative politician capable of stating this truth directly:

    Minoritarian leftists are hate the very idea of conservatives being allow to speak, and will attempt, violently if necessary, to stop conservatives from speaking.

    Leftists have been shutting down conservative speakers on campus–successfully–for years. They assault conservative speakers. They assualt conservatives at rallies. (Ex. bike lock goon.) In 2016, they repeatedly attacked, sucker-punched, Trump supporters at Trump rallies. The Democrats hired paid provocateurs to start fights. Same story in Charlottesville: The white nationalists had a parade permit. Antifa goons showed up to attack them.

    Now this summer the mask is off. The Democrats are openly supporting their Antifa street fighting contingent. They urge on the protests, allow protesters to close down highways and detain motorists.

    Democrat politicians and DAs protect the rioters and looters–refuse to arrest and prosecute looting, assault and even attempted arson. But they somehow can summon the will to go after anyone attempting to defend people and property from rioting and looting, or even people simply trying to defend themselves–driving away when protesters swarm their car or fighting back when assaulted.

    Democrats can go out on the street and protest their lungs out. Conservatives 99.99% let them wail away without any issue beyond articulate disagreement. But if conservatives attempt to protest, the Democrats Antifa goons will likely show up, scream in the faces of conservatives–expletive filled rants–attempt to provoke fights or just simply attack and assault them.

    Trump needs to get off his ass and make this distinction crystal clear.

    Leftist totalitarianism is one of the two or three things this election should be about.

  30. @The Wild Geese Howard

    his victory pose is rather bourgeois and déclassé

    Maybe, but his gallery-worthy corpse pose is classic Robert Longo.

    • Thanks: Mr McKenna
  31. @AnotherDad

    Too bad that Trump seems to think that Hillary’s emails are a more pressing concern.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
  32. @Stan d Mute

    “There was a verbal altercation that transpired. A firearm was discharged,” Joe Montoya, Denver Police chief of investigations said. “An individual was shot and later pronounced deceased. There were two guns recovered at the scene.”

    n.
    The form of a transitive verb in which its subject receives the action.
    n.
    Any construction that obscures the agent of an action, or the agency of said agent.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  33. anon[302] • Disclaimer says:

    Man who was murdered:

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  34. So, at what point do the insectoid Bolshevik propagandists masquerading as “media” get arrested and indefinitely detained for incitement.

    Asking for a friend.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  35. The victim was a descendant of Pennsylvania steel workers.

  36. @Jack D

    Over the course of my life, I’ve been interviewed by reporters on several occasions. In every case it seemed obvious to me that they were trying to get me to say something in support of a story, whose outline they’d already decided upon. In every case when I refused to “get with” their program, they would start badgering me. When that didn’t work they’d dismiss me, often in a rather impolite manner.

  37. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Museum guy has a great tailor, though his victory pose is rather bourgeois and déclassé.

    His shooting pose isn’t that great either, a very sloppy version of the Weaver stance.

  38. Svigor says:

    https://www.jpost.com/HttpHandlers/ShowImage.ashx?id=364193&h=530&w=758

    Roger Deakins would not have released a photo with a “tangent” (gun on picture frame)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  39. J.Ross says:

    The guy’s a rich (-ish) white leftist with documented support for Bernie and Burn Loot Murder, and he had no reason to shoot, and is in the system now (but will get out soon). The Trump-supporter victim looks black. Truly Tom Wolfe stuff. I want to believe but Trump will do nothing, Doloff will get off, and the FBI and the lyingpress will make sure nobody knows about this.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  40. J.Ross says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Oh no, this is standard now: they require that journalists hire them as security guards (really as political officers, to monitor what’s being reported), and attack journalists who haven’t paid their ‘”tax.” Literally using violence to effect censorship. FBI still looking for those Phantom Nazis though.

  41. Brutusale says:
    @Thomas

    Antifa or not, the shooter has been charged with murder in the first degree.

  42. The artsy folks in cowtown Denver have long been trying to catch up with the coastal and continental types. This might help.

    One thing they have going for them is good lighting. It’s the altitude and the dry weather.

    I spent time knocking around and dating in Lower Downtown Denver, where the girls were wannabee artists waiting tables. You could do anything and get yourself displayed at some trashy gallery there. One girlfriend gave a presentation and monologue in garters and stockings at a gallery. The audience quietely watched. I didn’t quite understand the point, but I didn’t care. She kept on waiting tables, and I moved to Connecticut for a real job.

  43. J.Ross says:

    Actually kind of iStevey: Burn Loot Murder hates math.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
  44. @Guy De Champlagne

    It’s really disappointing to find out that blacks whom you thought were responsible people with jobs such as this dude and Breona Taylor, are really just like the rest, involved in crime and anti-social behavior.

  45. @Jack D

    Miranda rights hold true when talking to “journalists” as much as when talking to police. Just don’t give them anything. There is nothing in it for you.

    Furthermore, for those who don’t know, journalism is another one of those majors in college populated by less-than-stellar intellects.

    What is the principle, the one about reporters and how little they know about what they write about? You know, an expert notices that every news story about his field of expertise is wrong, but he notices that we all assume that journalists know what they are talking about every other time. He logically concludes that it is more likely that reporters get things wrong most of the time, in every field.

  46. gent says:
    @Jack D

    I absolutely think the TV station is lying. There are multiple twitter posts of the local antifa expressing their support for the report, Kyle Clark, who was arrested alongside Doloff. Further, Matthew Doloff’s social media profiles have been found, and they all show him as an employee of his parent’s farm.

  47. Jack D says:
    @Mr McKenna

    What is the passive voice, Alex?

    Those guns are up to it again, discharging and killing people. We must get these guns off the street before they do it again. Make sure all of your guns are securely locked up or they might get away from you and go on a rampage like the two guns that they arrested in Denver today.

  48. @Jack D

    Shorter, better version: never talk to reporters, ever.

    The added benefit is that if you don’t feed the trolls, they die or go away. It’s not even to just stop buying their stupid newspapers and magazines; imagine if no one talked to them, ever.

    Actually, they’d just continue to make shit up.

  49. @gent

    The Pinkertons have always been murdering scum.

  50. @AnotherDad

    “Trump needs to get off his ass ”

    Why would he? It’s big and comfy, and he’s gotten all the way to the White House, so what’s in it for him now?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  51. @Buzz Mohawk

    We have a local guy sitting in the state pen right now because he talked to a journalist.

    There was a shooting at a local rental storage unit. The shooter claimed the victim had been stealing from the unit and was caught red handed. The shooter told police that the victim had tried to run over him. So he shot in self defense. The cops held him a couple days and let him go with no charges filed. Day he got released he sat down to an interview with the local news. He told a different story to the reporter that put his self defense claim into doubt. So the cops started looking at every thing again and a few months later the shooter was tried and convicted of 2nd degree murder.

  52. @Jus' Sayin'...

    Journos write the story first, usually based off some PR release or talking points. Then, they reach for their rolodex (sorry for the old time reference) to contact one or more of their tame, reliable “experts” to provide quotes, to make it sound like they did research.

  53. @J.Ross

    Well, math IS racist, as we know know.

  54. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    and he had no reason to shoot,

    This is a pretty clear case of “imperfect self-defense” – you are being attacked, but not with deadly force (the guy was spraying him with bear spray) and so have no right to respond with deadly force. He had a “reason” just not a legally sufficient reason. If I was being sprayed in the face with bear spray and I was holding a gun I might shoot it too – you don’t think clearly at such moments.

    and is in the system now

    True

    (but will get out soon).

    I guess this depends what you mean by “soon”. Maybe he will be released on bail pending trial but there is a high chance of conviction given all the video evidence. I don’t know what the law is in Colorado but usually imperfect self defense is not a complete defense to a charge of murder but it may reduce the degree of your offense from intentional homicide to voluntary manslaughter. So instead of facing life in prison (Colorado abolished its death penalty this year) he might be out in a few years – 12 years maximum and probably less. This seems like a fair result. Reverse the political affiliations of the shooter and the victim in your mind and I think you’ll agree.

  55. @gent

    Doloff, who it seems is not a security professional in any way, was not able to handle the escalation of violence he initiated against Reverend Lee. He fired his gun, leaving a reverend dead under a sign to vote.

    This is certainly true.

    The provocation for footage is probably true too, but not certain.

  56. @Jack D

    And never let a reporter interview you in your home or office, they (I should say “we!”) will find something to twist (or read upside down while it’s sitting on your desk)

  57. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @gent

    Here is the shooter’s LinkedIn. Makes no reference to working in private security in his work history.

    Additionally, he (or his family) owns a farm worth 750k.

    All things considered, it certainly makes for a non-traditional private security hire.

  58. @Jack D

    This is a pretty clear case of “imperfect self-defense” – you are being attacked, but not with deadly force (the guy was spraying him with bear spray) and so have no right to respond with deadly force. He had a “reason” just not a legally sufficient reason. If I was being sprayed in the face with bear spray and I was holding a gun I might shoot it too – you don’t think clearly at such moments.

    There’s a claim that the shooter was pointing a gun at the deceased, prior to being sprayed. How would that affect the shooter’s legal defense? The area was presumably swarming with cops, given how quickly he was apprehended, so claiming that he was in fear for his life may be a stretch. Seems like a version of the Ahmaud Arbery jogger incident, without race as a factor.

  59. Whiskey says: • Website

    Upper class female journalists conspire with black and upper class White anti fa to murder working class man who made cowboy hats.

    Will only get worse.

    Soon it will be legal for anti fa to shoot random White people in the street. President Harris will make it so.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  60. fnn says:
    @Thea

    That seems to means they’ve been following his every move for the last six months. How else would they know?

  61. Bill says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    He looks like every Communist dictator statue ever. Maybe a bit less calm.

  62. anon[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Actually, it’s not a fair result.

    The most plausible and documented story thus far is that Dollof tried to grab Keltner’s spray bottle. Keltner appears to have open-hand smacked him to get him away, knocking off Dollof’s sunglasses. Dollof drew his gun. Keltner began to spray. Dollof shot.

    Reversing the political affiliations, Dollof — going by the compiled information about him –would be part of a far right group. If he attended a far right protest as hired security then murdered someone from the opposing side after likely initiating the conflict, he would be looking at life in prison.

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
  63. 3g4me says:
    @GManifesto

    @23 GManifesto: They are well funded, well organized, and far more practiced at street demonstrating/fighting. The media and the politicians have their backs. If the dead ‘minister’ (fat and covered in tats) is representative of ‘the right,’ they will lose. It’s not 1985 and no one gives a flying f*&&k about your ‘rights.’ Someday perhaps some of you will start taking it seriously when all the non-Whites and Antifa clearly state that they want you and your family and your history DEAD.

  64. Anon[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomas

    How come it didn’t occur to the news station to hire a real security guard who wasn’t a trigger happy moron? Now they are on the hook for a lawsuit. Oh yeah, they can’t have a real security guard because they tend to be off-duty cops. Bad bad leftist, can’t hire a cop because politics.

    • Replies: @3g4me
  65. usNthem says:

    Just curious what others think. Don’t how soon after the shooting the frame is with Doloff advancing on the victim, and the perspective of the photo with the victim on the ground doesn’t show his face/head where he was supposedly shot. My impression, and I may be wrong, is that head shots are usually messy and bloody. And I don’t see any blood at all. Now if he were actually shot in the torso, that would make more sense. Thoughts?

  66. SF says:

    Whatever the outcome o f the criminal investigation Keltman deserves a Darwin award. You don’t pepper spray a guy who has a gun ppinted at you.

  67. Barnard says:
    @gent

    That the Republicans allow the National Lawyer’s Guild to operate the way they do is another baffling feature of the Stupid Party.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  68. @Buzz Mohawk

    What is the principle, the one about reporters and how little they know about what they write about? You know, an expert notices that every news story about his field of expertise is wrong, but he notices that we all assume that journalists know what they are talking about every other time. He logically concludes that it is more likely that reporters get things wrong most of the time, in every field.

    It sounds like you’re thinking of Gell-Mann amnesia, as named by Michael Crichton. However, the original concept is basically the opposite—that it’s what people should conclude, but don’t:

    Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

    In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

  69. @AnotherDad

    “Can we get one–just one!–conservative politician capable of stating this truth directly”

    No, we can’t.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
  70. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    I think he’ll be out because I fear the system is broken, and because I’m looking for a broken system instead of a particular result from a functioning system, I disagree. One of the ways the system is broken is judges who, whether because of extreme revolutionary identity (government functionaries who actively desire the failure of the government), or prioritizing things in such a way as to benefit political activists, or who are afraid to rule properly for some external reason, or who fail to prioritize the public safety in a time of riots, and so are effectively all in the first category. The judges are the same as this murderer but the robe covers the Che shirt.
    And I can’t let you get away with the gibberish bear spray paragraph. The bear spray was carried as a defense against people like the shooter and was brought out to protect the victim from the shooter. A burglar doesn’t get to cite window bars as an understandable provocation. Let all take notice: it should have been a gun.

  71. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Over the course of my life, I’ve been interviewed by reporters on several occasions. In every case it seemed obvious to me that they were trying to get me to say something in support of a story, whose outline they’d already decided upon.

    That’s why, in stories about masking ordinances, lockdowns, and (before these) airport security, they never seem to find anybody who is opposed to those measures. They always talk exclusively to ninnies who mewl “well, they’re doing it to keep us safe……”

  72. J.Ross says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    an expert notices that every news story about his field of expertise is wrong, but he notices that we all assume that journalists know what they are talking about every other time.

    All of my This for the Law of Buzz, I have come across this unjustified faith in people you know are dead wrong on one point a thousand times, in my own interests and in talking to college professors and engineers, and (unlike the second clause) nobody ever puts it together. It’s a shame they were somehow so wrong about my field but surely they’re telling me the truth about everything else.

  73. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, a young Biden supporter attempts to reason with a devoted Trump supporter.

    Will he change his mind after she presents her argument?

  74. Mr. Anon says:
    @AnotherDad

    Trump needs to get off his ass and make this distinction crystal clear.

    Leftist totalitarianism is one of the two or three things this election should be about.

    Yeah, if only Trump were smart, disciplined, serious – if only Trump were all the things he is not – if he were only a different person altogether – he’d do what needs to be done.

  75. D. K. says:
    @Jack D

    Just as in Portland, the victim did not spray the killer until the killer already had assaulted the victim with a deadly weapon, by pointing his gun at him. The killer illegally put his victim in a reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury; ergo, the victim’s use of non-lethal force, in the form of a defensive aerosol spray, from a distance of about seven to eight feet, was wholly justified. I see no evidence that the killer was legally justified in drawing his weapon on his victim, and it is clear that his killing the victim, in response to being so sprayed, at such a distance, was not legally justified.

    [N.B. I know that the Portland killer hit the aerosol can of his victim, with one of two shots, but the victim was clearly raising the can, in self-defense, after the killer already had pointed his weapon at the victim. The victim’s spraying his attacker and the can’s simultaneously being hit by one of two shots are not mutually exclusive possibilities.]

    • Replies: @Bill P
  76. anonymous[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    It’s a generational thing. The men born between 1940 and 1955 still run the country.

    As a whole, they have zero concept for defending their own race and culture. They view it as low-class and uncool. The most you can hope for is iSteve-like snark. But other than that, don’t get your hopes up.

  77. Bill P says:
    @D. K.

    I think attempted robbery could be added to the charge, because the antifa tv station henchman tried to take away his can of bear spray. After the victim defended his property from the would be robber, the robber then drew his gun and shot the victim dead.

    Isn’t robbery+murder a capital crime?

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @Sub
  78. D. K. says:
    @Jack D

    P.S. “Reverse the political affiliations of the shooter and the victim,” and the conservative killer would be facing life in prison, without the possibility of parole, plus 419 years– just like the poor schmuck in Virginia, who merely was trying to extricate himself from a violent BLM / Antifa mob that had surrounded his car!

  79. Mr. Anon says:

    OT – The Floyd Effect:

    Las Vegas police let child die in hot car, rather than antagonize a black man:

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/child-dies-hot-car-break-window

  80. Why do all Antifa types look like this? Are they the product of multigenerational incest?

    By the way, I think the story behind this one is that they were arrested immediately because a black activist snitched on them because they resented the fact that they were white. Circular firing squad gets the bullseye again.

  81. D. K. says:
    @Bill P

    There are no capital crimes in Colorado, anymore. It would be hard to prove that the killer was trying to steal the can from his victim, rather than merely to disarm him. The picture that Leftists are using, on Twitter, “to prove” that the victim assaulted his killer, and deserved his fate, is wholly ambiguous, to my mind, as an erstwhile attorney, and thus proves nothing whatsoever about who assaulted whom, prior to the gun’s being deployed, and then used to kill the victim. If there is actual video of that whole encounter, rather than just the still photographs that I have seen, thus far, I obviously would be interested in seeing that for the fuller context.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  82. Bill P says:

    I just checked out the heavy.com profile of Doloff. Seems he’s not too bright. His grammar is terrible for a 30yo, he can’t spell, and he is fairly confused about things in general. I think this is a typical screw-up on the part of a dim and clueless individual.

    I feel kind of sorry for him. The look in his eyes after he shot the guy is like the look a dog gives you when it knows it just did something wrong but doesn’t quite understand the specifics. It’s one of the most pathetically guilty looks I’ve ever seen in a photograph, and even without his full face showing. Why on earth was this guy hired as an armed security guard?

    Still, he’s got to pay to encourage the others to behave.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  83. Sub says:
    @Bill P

    Unfortunately, the progressive assclowns that have taken over CO from the left coast abolished the death penalty earlier this year.

  84. my brother has lived in Colorado for 10 years for work reasons, and i’ve watched it go downhill slowly but surely the entire time. not much longer until it’s about the same as California.

    even worse is how you’ll pay California level taxes and fees, but with mountain state levels service and weather. exporting California to other states is a catastrophe. there is no “but the weather” qualification for these places.

    i’ve read that 90,000 people from California move to Colorado every year. not sure of the exact numbers, but it can’t be that far off. BLM and Antifa are everywhere there.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  85. Hunsdon says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Julius Streicher wants to know, too!

    • Troll: Hibernian
  86. D. K. says:
    @D. K.

  87. @Jack D

    We’ll see what develops, but the Pinkerton story does not ring true. They are a major corporation who have to seriously vet and train anyone to avoid massive exposure to liability. It’s highly unlikely they would have assigned an obvious dirtbag leftist activist to hang around a protest with a gun in plainclothes. Nothing about this guy — especially his crazed irresponsible behavior suggests he was professionally trained or experienced.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    , @Jack D
    , @Anon
  88. Bill P says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    They’ve been hiring like crazy lately. A few are going to slip through the cracks. From what I’ve seen written by Doloff, they could have prevented a tragedy by giving him a Wonderlic test before hiring him.

  89. Polynikes says:
    @Mike_from_SGV

    Yea… how could he focus on the biggest abuse of federal power since at least watergate if not all the way back to j edgar hoover. The nerve of that guy.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  90. Polynikes says:
    @David In TN

    Hawley, Cruz, Johnson, Jordan…? There’s some. Just not enough.

  91. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    My loyalties are completely with the shooting victim here, but some commenters are under-stating the threat posed by the bear spray.
    If I am holding a gun, and you spray me with pepper spray, I will start shooting. If I am incapacitated by the spray I will be helpless. You can take my gun from me and kill me with it. I have to shoot now while I still can. Pepper spray by itself is not a deadly attack, but the man being sprayed has no choice but to treat it as a deadly attack.
    I don’t know why the victim used his pepper spray. Presumably the shooter had already attacked him in some way and forced him to use the spray, in which case the shooter is indeed culpable for the killing.
    But if the pepper spray was the first act of physical attack, then the shooter is not at fault.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  92. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    These photos make it quite clear. The shooter initiated the attack by reaching for the bear spray. The victim responded in a defensive move (the slap). The shooter was continually in a forward, offensive move and the victim stepping back in a defensive posture.
    It appears they both drew and fired more or less in tandem. The gun of course beat the bear spray.
    The shooter is at fault.

    • Replies: @gent
  93. Svigor says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    So, antifa scum (but, I repeat myself) lost his composure at being slapped and murdered the guy.

    Even if it turned out that mace guy fired first, mace is non-lethal force and a gun is lethal force. So at best, antifa scum, after lecturing us about “deescalation” and such bullshit, escalate non-lethal conflict to lethal conflict.

  94. Svigor says:
    @Polynikes

    Trump doesn’t support his people. On the contrary, he sits there with thumb in ass while his DoJ prosecutes peaceful right-wing groups and lets antifa skate. While FBI gets its marching orders from ADL. While antifa attack his supporters with impunity. This has been going on for 4 years and it’s a big part of why Trump deserves to lose – those with no loyalty deserve no loyalty.

    Let the blegs vote him to a 2nd term – he’s always bragging about how great he’s been for them.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Rob McX
    , @Mr. Anon
  95. gent says:
    @anon

    NBC9 needs to answer for this as well. Why is a news team hiring radical activists to act as “security?” The truth is that you need an antifa escort to safely report on any of their protests. They assault anyone without one of their handlers. It’s why the torrent of riot streams suddenly stopped like a valve had been turnt. They realize that the public doesn’t approve, so they’re back in the shadows again.

  96. J1234 says:
    @Thomas

    local police are claiming that he was some sort of security guard for a local television station.

    I’m guessing the TV station will try to distance themselves from him in order to avoid the inevitable huge lawsuit (which will fail.)

  97. Anonymous[103] • Disclaimer says:

    Looks like the shooter was yet another hot headed gentile Nordic/Germanic guy with a Jewish sounding surname that right wing anti-Semites will insist is a Jewish guy like they did with the antifa Germanic guys in Kenosha.

  98. @Anonymous

    He looks kind of like Christopher Walken.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  99. @Ben tillman

    It’s a still picture.

    That would depend on what you had for lunch.

  100. @anon

    My loyalties are completely with the shooting victim here, but some commenters are understating the threat posed by the bear spray.

    The folks in Montana warned us, “Do. Not. Shoot. A. Bear.” If you don’t kill him, you’ve pretty much guaranteed that he will kill you. Non-fatal ammo annoys the hell out of them. As it might you.

    A good spray, however, will sting, blind, surprise, and confuse a bear. An effective combination.

    NB: This advice is for hikers, not hunters. That’s completely different.

  101. Shooting in Denver

    You can’t make a Denver omelete without breaking a few yeggs.

  102. @TelfoedJohn

    I ran out of Agrees, so • Agree.

    Portlandia: Where all the women look wrong, all the men are fug-looking, and all the children are below average.

  103. anonymous[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Oh man, the news producer who hired him. Too perfect…

    https://twitter.com/ZackNewsMan?s=09

  104. 3g4me says:
    @Anon

    @68 Anon: Because the reporter, Kyle Clark, is considered ‘one of us’ by Antifa (can’t seem to copy the ‘after action reports,’ but they’re at the Occidental Dissent website). Clark’s been reporting there’s nothing to fear in Denver BML activities, and accusing Whites of ‘cowering’ in their racist suburbs.

  105. Anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Interestingly enough, Christopher Walken is the same exact ethnic mix as Trump with a German father/Scottish mother, and like Trump he was born and raised in Queens, and raised Protestant.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  106. @Anonymous

    Has Walken ever done a Trump impression? I’d like to see that.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    , @David In TN
  107. Anon[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    So he gets to go to jail with vicious, lower-class criminal blacks who will play Let’s Get Whitey games with him, and he’ll realize he threw away his life for these scum because he was a fool.

    Pitiful.

    • Agree: David In TN
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Mr. Anon
  108. @Tex

    He has a tattoo that tells the tale.

  109. @Bill P

    Because hiring Antifas was a cost of doing business for a TV station that wants to cover Antifa.

  110. @GManifesto

    Our varsity team has not yet stepped on the field.

  111. Bill P says:
    @Anonymous

    Doloff doesn’t sound Jewish to me.

    What a pathetic picture!

    I’ve known some guys like that. Good-looking but dumb northern Euro types. He should have stayed on the farm raising goats and tending to his wife’s needs.

    BTW, a lot of white women (including otherwise intelligent ladies) absolutely adore guys like that. If he ends up in prison he’ll get a ton of fan mail from lonely leftist academic chicks. Not that it will do him any good. My heart aches for his parents.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  112. Jack D says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    He was a “contractor”. He was not licensed even though licenses are required for security guards in Denver and a separate permit for a guard to be armed. I assume that due to all of the “peaceful demonstrations” this year there is a big demand for security guards and the security companies have taken some shortcuts to meet the demand.

    In terms of criminal law, maybe they can fine Pinkerton $1,000 for hiring an unlicensed guard or something like that – it’s a first offense. Yes it’s illegal but so is jaywalking. Meanwhile, Pinkerton has probably made millions in revenue from all the “contractors” that they pay $10/hr and bill the customer $30.

    In terms of a civil suit by the family of the murdered man, this is something that they might be able to latch onto.

  113. BenKenobi says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Let me. Tell you… folks. I. Am. Feeling stronger. Than ever. Believe.

    Me.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  114. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    Meanwhile, I don’t think he’s going to be real popular with white biker types in prison either. Maybe if they send enough antifas to prison they can form their own antifa gangs in prison.

  115. Jack D says:
    @Svigor

    If you didn’t like Trump, you are really really going to enjoy President Harris.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    , @Svigor
  116. MBlanc46 says:
    @AnotherDad

    Trump? Get off his ass? There were a lot of things that he needed to do. He talked about doing a few of them. He even said that he was going to do a couple of them. But, somehow, they didn’t get done. If he’d even made a decent show of doing some of the things that he needed to do, he’d be looking at a real chance of being re-elected. Instead he’ll be turfed out of the White House on 20 January, and stands a real chance of winding up in prison once he no longer has presidential immunity.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  117. @BenKenobi

    Yeah, I’d like to see Christopher Walken as an off-kilter, strangely disturbing Trump.

    • Thanks: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  118. Getaclue says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Easy case of Murder. Let’s see the Denver DA blow it now for their Antifa buddies….

  119. Looks like the victim smacked the shooter upside the head before being shot. That’s why his glasses are down. He was also being very bellicose in other videos. I would rate the shooting as second degree homicide.

    • Thanks: Ben tillman
  120. Getaclue says:
    @Whiskey

    The FBI is already setting this up claiming “white supremacists” are the big problem now — they will use this to destroy any “white” person who dares defend themselves from being murdered by BLM/Antifa — DHS is also on board as to this — you have to wonder what is up with Trump keeping Wray and the other dim wit at DHS….

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  121. Getaclue says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I’ve met and dealt with several reporters — all of them were sort of “off” — something wrong with them…not sure if it was “organic” or whatever but….They cannot ever get a story right to the true facts — seems to be an impossibility for all of them.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  122. Rob McX says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    Why do all Antifa types look like this? Are they the product of multigenerational incest?

    They probably don’t look much different from the rest of us. People never look their best in mugshots. We’re used to looking at photos of people where they chose the best angle and lighting and then took maybe five or six shots before they hit on one that was acceptable.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @HammerJack
  123. Rob McX says:
    @Svigor

    The only thing left in his favour is that he’s better than any alternative candidate that might emerge. If he weren’t a Republican, I’d definitely wish him on the Democrats.

  124. @anon

    Keltman and Doloff…more Germans, just like last time.

    Have the BLM-Antifa protests/riots marked the largest outbreak of German vs. German scuffling in decades?

  125. Mr. Anon says:
    @Getaclue

    A lot of people are just not very observant or careful.

  126. Anon[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    How Ironic that now communists like antifa are on the payroll for the Pinkerton Agency, the closest thing America ever came to an armed and organized labor suppression organization. Clown World

  127. Mr. Anon says:
    @Svigor

    You are right, of course. If you’re in a red state, or a blue state, by all means, don’t vote for him. But if you’re in a swing state, please do vote for him. Yes, Trump sucks. Yes, there ought to be more difference between the parties. And yes, the Biden/Harris administration will be much worse.

  128. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anon

    So he gets to go to jail with vicious, lower-class criminal blacks who will play Let’s Get Whitey games with him, and he’ll realize he threw away his life for these scum because he was a fool.

    Pitiful.

    All true. And, yet, truth-be-told, the dead “Patriot Prayer” guy is pretty pitiful too. What did he die for? He looked like a walking stereotype of a Trumptard. Overweight, tattooed, dressed like an extra from Idiocracy……….packing heat and yet still dead. For what? ‘Murica!?

    This country is doomed.

  129. @Rob McX

    Sorry, but the vast majority of these people look as though there’s something wrong with them at the most basic level. It’s not a close call–these are seriously defective people.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
  130. Moses says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    I stopped talking to reporters a long time ago.

    I realized they were lying snakes when I provided a NYT freelance reporter a TON of information for his story on startups, including contacts for interviews, with the expectation that he would feature my startup in his story (which was a natural fit for his topic).

    He interviewed everyone with whom I put him in touch. His published story featured all companies and info I provided to him…except mine.

    I called him out on it, he said “Well sometimes it just doesn’t work out. Sorry about that.”

    I realized then that from the beginning he never had any intention of featuring my company as I was the wrong race/age/gender. He was just using me.

    Reporters always dangle publicity in front of you, but in my experience this is just their way to exploit. The reporting equivalent of a “pump-and-dump.”

  131. @Getaclue

    you have to wonder what is up with Trump keeping Wray and the other dim wit at DHS….

    I wonder too. Because it would be used against him politically, I believe he feels he can’t get rid of them until after the election. But he should get rid of them then even if he loses.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  132. @Steve Sailer

    I’d like to hear more cowbell.

    • LOL: Ben tillman
  133. duncsbaby says:
    @GManifesto

    My biggest pet peeve as of late is the trend of right-wingers referring to BLM/anita as snowflakes, soy-boys and/or wimps. They may be all of those things individually but they are organized and they have control of the major inner cities. They are not a pushover and those of my fellow hard right types who think that they are in not only deluding themselves but are doing their fellow co-religionists a huge disfavor by minimizing the threat.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @BB753
  134. duncsbaby says:
    @Jack D

    The Pinkertons say he’s not theirs. Although it does sound like they were involved. Muddy waters indeed.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/503208-pinkerton-denver-shooting-security-dolloff/

    Private security guard, Matthew Dolloff, was contracted through a third-party firm by Pinkerton, but was not an actual employee, the company clarified in a statement, cited by 9NEWS. Pinkerton did not disclose the name of Dolloff’s regular employer. “The agent in question is not a Pinkerton employee. Pinkerton is fully cooperating with law enforcement authorities in their investigation of this matter,” the statement says as quoted.

  135. anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    This makes the short list of the most pathetic lies people tell themselves as they keep voting:

    Because it would be used against him politically, I believe he feels he can’t get rid of them until after the election.

    Really? You believe that? Is “until after the election” the walnut shell where we might find that raft of Barr/Durham indictments, too?

    Donald Trump is no different than any other Beltway politician. None of them thinks — much less cares — of you as a fellow American. To them, we’re domesticated tax aphids or cannon fodder, fed slops like transgender statues and Confederate bathrooms so that enough of us think Red v Blue makes enough difference to endorse the racket.

    • Agree: Svigor
  136. duncsbaby says:
    @Jack D

    Trump is a dumpster fire but he’s our dumpster fire. If elected for another four years I really don’t see him pursuing any bold new objectives or completing much more if any part of his southern wall. At worst it will be four years of inactivity as opposed to four years of Biden/Harris being quite energetically active.

  137. @prime noticer

    I keep hearing this, but the people I see moving are all conservative Republicans. Sure, my sample is biased, but somehow I never meet Republicans moving to CA, only from. The people who move to this state now are mostly foreigners or tramps.

    We visited CO last month, Durango, and it felt like Berkeley, CA. The people we talked to there were old-timers, commie true believers from decades past. It was quite dispiriting. My guess is that the leftward swing in CO is a function of environmentalism and drug abuse. But I suppose you could say that about anywhere.

  138. @Anonymous

    I can’t believe JackD hasn’t weighed in here yet to cover the Jewish/not Jewish angle.

  139. Svigor says:
    @Jack D

    I admit that he’s been much more loyal to you Zionists.

    Always accepting the lesser of two evils is a great way to get nothing but evil. At some point you have to punish your leaders for treachery, even if it results in more pain in the short-term.

    Always falling for this short-term thinking is how we got into this mess. And by “we” I don’t mean you.

  140. Svigor says:
    @Bill P

    Doloff doesn’t sound Jewish to me.

    Then your Jewdar sucks. I doubt he’s jevvish, but Doloff is a pretty jevvish-sounding name.

  141. Svigor says:
    @duncsbaby

    This has been a conservative thing for years. They’ve been losing for generations and they have no balls, so their cope is to dismiss their overlords as “snowflakes” and whatnot, which is just one more example of conservatives swallowing the leftist narrative whole (in this case, believing the left’s “victimhood” thing isn’t just a mask/tool for aggression/mobilization).

    That said, and allowing that you are correct that antifa are organized and funded and supported; if the state stepped out of the way, the right would crush the left. Unorganized and under-funded and un-supported, right-wing militias would annihilate antifa and BLM. (And conservatives would sit on the sidelines and watch, as usual)

  142. @anon

    Reversing the political affiliations, Dollof — going by the compiled information about him –would be part of a far right group. If he attended a far right protest as hired security then murdered someone from the opposing side after likely initiating the conflict, he would be looking at life in prison.

    Dollof has been charged with 1st degree murder. So he pretty much is looking at life in prison.

  143. BB753 says:
    @duncsbaby

    Do not underestimate the number of FBI agents and paid professional gooons in their midst.

  144. @Steve Sailer

    I remember Christopher Walken in The Anderson Tapes (1971), which I saw in a theater at the time. He played a drug dealer who just got out of the New York State prison system, who happened to be an electronics expert. Sean Connery hired him to be in the heist of a swanky apartment building. He came to a bad end, though it was spectacular.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  145. Anonymous[244] • Disclaimer says:
    @David In TN

    Garrett Morris was in this film also. He played one of the policemen leading the charge into the swanky apartment building from the rooftop of an adjacent building. In retrospect, Morris had an unusually prominent position in the film for a then mostly unknown black actor.

  146. @Mr. Anon

    That’s kind of a calumny. He was a skilled craftsman, unlike any of the creeps he was jawing with. seemed like an upright chap who just liked bikes and getting his skin drawn on. His only crime was believing in the “Four Muhs”.

  147. MEH 0910 says:
    @Mr. Anon

  148. MEH 0910 says:

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