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In Silicon Valley female executive news, former HP supremo Carly Fiorina, who ran for Senator from California in 2010, is running for the GOP nomination for President.
Current HP boss Meg Whitman ran for governor of California in 2010.
Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg has been acting for several years like she’s intending to follow Fiorina and Whitman’s examples, although on the Democratic side, which may help explain the weird news coverage of her 47-year-old husband’s death on Friday. Yesterday, veteran NYT White House correspondent Jodi Kantor wrote a long paean to the marriage of Sandberg and Dave Goldberg as the perfect feminist union, but didn’t include any details on how the poor man died. Facebook, like social media in general, gets rich off encouraging you to overshare details of your life, but extraordinarily few facts were forthcoming about the death of the spouse of the Facebook COO relative to the gushers of spin.
Earlier today we finally heard that the poor man collapsed while exercising at a resort in Mexico, suggesting a heart attack. But now a new story has emerged:
Dave Goldberg, Silicon Valley Executive, Died of Head Trauma, Official Says
By VINDU GOEL and RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD MAY 4, 2015SAN FRANCISCO — The death of Dave Goldberg, the chief executive of SurveyMonkey and husband of Sheryl Sandberg of Facebook, occurred Friday night after he collapsed at the gym at a private resort in Mexico, according to a Mexican government official.
Mr. Goldberg, 47, was on vacation with family and friends at the Four Seasons Resort near Punta Mita, close to Puerto Vallarta in southwest Mexico, according to a spokesman for the prosecutor’s office in Jalisco State. Mr. Goldberg collapsed while exercising and died of head trauma and blood loss, said the spokesman. His brother, Robert Goldberg, found him on the floor of the gym at the resort at around 4 p.m. on Friday with blood around him. The spokesman said it appears “he fell off the treadmill and cracked his head open.”
Okay, I can believe that, since one of my excuses for almost never working out on treadmills is that they are obvious deathtraps.
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Does anyone benefit? If not, it may have been a tragic accident. It might even have involved a heart attack – if you happen to hit your head when you pass out, the subtler condition might be initially overlooked.
That style of thinking that you've been carefully taught to call "conspiracy theorizing:" it's the way you are supposed to think. The idea that the world of human affairs is roughly as it appears, that it operates by easily understood and explicitly explained rules, and that you should pretty much just take people's actions and words at face value: that way of thinking, it's diagnostic of something. Something bad. Something disturbingly common in the world of iSteve comments. If Jim Bowery still commented here, he'd blame it on Indian immigration. I miss Jim.Replies: @Art Deco, @Melendwyr
Wow! I would have bet big money that he’d had a cardiac arrest–seems like a perfect candidate for it, with his huge pear shaped body. He died because he stumbled/fell off the machine and suffered massive head trauma? Poor guy–what a miserable way to die–it’s like slipping in the bathroom and smashing your on the tub or toilet.
We should all follow the U of Chicago guy who said, “Whenever I get the urge to exercise, I lie down until the feeling passes away.”
First that exercise band blinded Harry Reid, and now this.
What if he were bludgeoned to death? Mexican officials might be tempted to claim he’d died in a freak treadmill incident so as not to discourage tourism.
This sounds like the opening scene of a Colombo episode. Who guessed: “Col. Mustard in the gym with the treadmill”?
I’ll never forget the time I put a treadmill on top speed and tried to jump on in mid stride. It flipped me upside down and I somehow got a bad cut on my hand from the side of the rubber belt.
Oh, that’s what “leaning in” means . . .
Its not as if Mexico is a hotbed of violent crimeand police corruption.
I totally believe in the honesty of the Jalisco Prsecutor.
Bizarre to say the least.
Are you being serious or sarcastic here? I have seen people get hurt on treadmills at the gym, though by tripping and spraining their ankles and the like, not splitting their heads open.
Eh, wouldn’t you fall on your face if you collapsed on a treadmill? I mean, I can see how you could get hurt, but they aren’t exactly designed to launch people headfirst in any direction.
This just makes the entire affair sound more fishy.
Mexican private resort, treadmill, cracked skull and pool of blood…
Hmmm…
Santa Muerte, anyone?
Yeah, how convenient for him to have an unfortunate, freak, and fatal accident in Mexico? I was searching through old Colombo episodes looking for a similar murder. Exercise in Fatality (1974) comes closest, with Bob Conrad as the murdering gym owner.
How often does a thing like this happen?
I gather he died perhaps less from the head trauma than from the possible fact that he may have bled out.
I googled a bit and found a case of a guy who died from a head trauma after falling from a treadmill, but the treadmill supposedly was defective, and I didn’t see any indication that he bled massively.
They do warn against the dangers of treadmills, but I’ve never seen anything like this mentioned as a possibility — more such things as getting caught up in the moving parts.
Lacking further information I can say that people have gotten thrown by treadmills if the speed is a little high and the running loop has gotten somewhat loose; getting distracted contributes. People with poor reflexes can land awkwardly and injure a body part.
I read this site for the conspiracy theories in the comments. They could have just announced: “He died in a freak accident while exercising.”
There are lots of treadmill accident videos on youtube:
seems like if you were a gazillionare harpy and you wanted your wuss hubby whacked, having it done in Mexico would be ideal. Just grease a few palms and you have the hit men you need and compliant law enforcement.
Was there a security camera at the gym?
This is why I tell anyone who will listen that you should never get on a treadmill without a trained spotter. I’ve actually been volunteering my time in that capacity for the young ladies on the treadmills in my apartment complex. Sure, at first they act all annoyed that some old safety-obsessed dork is standing beside them, watching them run, but boy will they will be glad I’m there when they’re lying on the floor, unconscious with no one else around.
Pure comedy gold, Chief!
Hilarious. Well done Morris.
That would be a good topic for https://what-if.xkcd.com
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/treadmills-danger-at-our-feet/
Maybe Sheryl Sandberg did him in for some reason? Life insurance policy? Any ideas?
He forgot to wear his William Holden drinking helmet, I guess. At least Holden was drunk. I’m a little skeptical of this, as reported.
Now she can lecture women on the proper way to grieve for their husbands.
You would, but then the track would pull you backwards and fling you off the back. Your feet would hit the ground first, while your upper body would still be coming, so you could go into a sitting position, followed by a backwards tumble. At that point, since you’re in a gym, your head could hit the heavy steel support of another exercise machine.
My concern with treadmills is accidentally stepping off the side and thus launching myself forward. That’s why, in our basement corporate gym, I prefer the elliptical climbers if I want to fully concentrate on what’s playing on the TV.
Didn’t realize NYT engages in liberal usage of fluid and ongoing updating of articles.
The article version you copy/pasted:
The version now:
When found, he was still alive but with weak vitals. Since he was probably laying there untreated for 2+ hours, it seems likely that he could’ve been saved had he had a workout partner.
As much as I want to blame the wife or whoever she got to do it, the thing is, this is in the sub-Somali hellhole that is Mexico, in the throes of its latest civil war. So it really could’ve been anything. It could even, in the land of a straightforward ramsom industry, have been a mistake.
Yeah, I’m sure that’s exactly what they want – the old creep who stares at them in the gym hovering around them when they’re unconscious, lying on the floor, and at their most vulnerable.
Given the side rails on most treadmills, he’d have to have fallen backwards off the treadmill from a height of about 6 inches. If he falls forward as most do, he lands on his face. I could see a Harry Reid type injury from that. A skull cracking injury is implausible. If he falls backwards, that means his feet stopped moving and he didn’t have the wherewithal to grab the sides. It also means he wasn’t using the safety clip that pulls a magnet off the treadmill base and stops the machine. In the feet not moving scenario, he falls back in a motion that is similar to being pushed. His back would land first and his head would impact from the jarring. Worst case scenario in my non medical opinion
Is a concussion.
The story is a stretch and a young journalist could do some good work speaking with hotel employees and people who were there. Police could be bought off but I bet there’s somebody there that smells a rat.
Just finished it last week! That was around the time that the producers, Levinson and Link, started with having a Rolls Royce in nearly every single episode from then on.
Pat Harrington, best known as Schneider on “One Day at a Time” played a supporting role in the Columbo episode, along with Gretchen Corbett, sidekick to James Garner in “The Rockford Files”.
And while PEDS wasn’t part of the episode, a subplot dealt with shady operators of McFitness Franchises and all the double dealings that franchisees must pay to maintain their gyms.
Though it was released in ’74 just a year away from Arnold Schwarzenegger’s documentary Pumping Iron, mainstream fitness chains were clearly a long ways from techno savyness regarding their equipment or decor. There’s one scene where elderly people are exercising in the gym without a shirt on. Like….who does that? And all that tacky back hair, etc. Gross.
Not a bad episode, overall.
What about stationary bikes or rowing machines? They would appear to be safer since one is generally seated while using them.
If they announced that, wouldn’t some people conclude that he had met his end in the bedroom?
I mean, look. I have complete sympathy for Ms. Sandburg and her two children. But when celebrities die, especially unexpectedly, it's kind of like a mini-JFK assassination and you are going to get skepticism, theories, and sick jokes. That's just the way it is.
All I can say at this point is that the circumstances of the accident are bizarre, not just the accident but the fact that he was apparently alone in a hotel gym for several hours. Just doesn't sound right.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
Any of those 19k die in a pool of blood? 10 mph is the max speed on most treadmills; I’d be surprised if Goldie was going more than 6.
Seems reasonable to me. This is what Ivy League people do on vacation – find the hotel exercise room to make up for all the missed times during their normally busy schedule. Judging from the pictures, he was no fitness freak. He gets on the treadmill after a couple of afternoon margaritas, sets the speed at an ambitious pace, loses balance, and kerplat.
Got to agree with Steve here. Exercise is dangerous, and grown men should limit themselves to a brisk walk or some dedicated yard work. Rich grown men can throw some golf or pool time into the mix. Why mess with a good thing.
As my dear old dad used to say, “Don’t run if you can walk, don’t walk if you can sit, don’t sit if you can lie down”.
Is a concussion.
The story is a stretch and a young journalist could do some good work speaking with hotel employees and people who were there. Police could be bought off but I bet there's somebody there that smells a rat.Replies: @Steve Sailer
One possibility is the poor guy had a heart attack or stroke while on the treadmill and then the fall finished him off.
My mother-in-law was killed in a single-car crash in January 1989 in rural Illinois on her way to work in the morning when her truck went off the empty road and hit the one pole by the side of the road for a half mile. (It was a big pole supporting a loudspeaker to signal evacuation in case of a meltdown at a nearby nuclear power plant, making her one of the few people in American history to die in a nuclear power-related accident).
Maybe she hit black ice and skidded off the road? Maybe she swerved to avoid hitting an animal crossing the road? Or maybe she had a stroke or heart attack while driving and lost control that way? We’ll never know.
I’m worried you’re going to jump down my throat if I tell you about the time I walked into a drugstore with a talking duck on my head:
Anonymous says: “yeah, as if the cashier is going to put Chapstick on a customer’s lips, let alone put it on a duck’s bill! Anyway, you probably have a parrot, not a duck. Ducks don’t talk last time I checked.”
Remember Kirsty MacColl?
Wait, I thought Jewish women didn’t….
There can’t be too many men who have gotten wildly rich in business while supporting the careers of their wives to the extent Goldberg did. A friend of mine who went to high school with him said he was a great guy, and very, very popular with the ladies, confirming what The New York Times wrote about him.
Got to agree with Steve here. Exercise is dangerous, and grown men should limit themselves to a brisk walk or some dedicated yard work. Rich grown men can throw some golf or pool time into the mix. Why mess with a good thing.Replies: @Pat Gilligan, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
Are you trying to be mean here? His last name was Goldberg. Where could he play golf? Certainly not a country club, we all know about the discrimination there!
Got to agree with Steve here. Exercise is dangerous, and grown men should limit themselves to a brisk walk or some dedicated yard work. Rich grown men can throw some golf or pool time into the mix. Why mess with a good thing.Replies: @Pat Gilligan, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
What about yoga? After all, that’s just bends and stretches, right? Or perhaps a trained guru is needed as a spotter for doing those kinds of exercises.
People generally use treadmills for relatively long stretches of time. Are you staring at these young ladies the entire time?
Perhaps one reason for the 60 hours or so of little information about the cause of death might be because the family might be considering a lawsuit against the resort hotel and didn’t want to say something innocuous that could be used against them in their suit.
You would think he wouldn't want anyone else to suffer such terrible injuries from exercise equipment.Replies: @Bill M
That would mean another “leaning in” joke, although in this case “bleeding out” might be more appropriate.
I mean, look. I have complete sympathy for Ms. Sandburg and her two children. But when celebrities die, especially unexpectedly, it’s kind of like a mini-JFK assassination and you are going to get skepticism, theories, and sick jokes. That’s just the way it is.
All I can say at this point is that the circumstances of the accident are bizarre, not just the accident but the fact that he was apparently alone in a hotel gym for several hours. Just doesn’t sound right.
The delay in announcing the cause of death plus the “pool of blood” is what makes this sound odd.
Is there video footage of it, or not?
This is almost a parody of Mexican investigative prowess, if that's possible.
“The general manager at the Four Seasons said that Goldberg had not been a guest and that the accident had not taken place at the Four Seasons.”
http://news.yahoo.com/surveymonkey-ceo-goldberg-died-hotel-gym-173112024--finance.html
Local prosecutor on the one hand, local hotel manager on the other.
Whom to disbelieve more?Replies: @Steve Sailer
What does “private resort” mean? Is there such a thing as a public resort?
Totally OT but Jean-Marie Le Pen just said in a radio interview on Europe1 that he’s ashamed the President of the Front National carries his name. He and Marine Le Pen are in open war with each other now. J-M is talking about taking the FN to court for expelling him from the party. He says he hopes she loses her position so “she can marry her concubine”. J-M was asked what he’d say to Marine if she’s listening to the interview. He said “get yourself married so you can change your name. That will sooth the conscience”.
Jean-Marie said his daughter is surrounded by “socio-Gaullists”. He has good things to say about his granddaughter, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen though. This is Game of Thrones or King Lear stuff.
http://www.france24.com/en/20150504-france-le-pen-national-front
Not only that, but the fact that he was discovered bludgeoned to death after supposedly being alone for two hours, and the prime suspect is a treadmill?! WTF?
Is there video footage of it, or not?
This is almost a parody of Mexican investigative prowess, if that’s possible.
http://news.yahoo.com/surveymonkey-ceo-goldberg-died-hotel-gym-173112024--finance.htmlReplies: @candid_observer
That same report attributes to a local prosecutor the claim that Goldberg had been found in a pool of blood with a head injury near the treadmill.
Local prosecutor on the one hand, local hotel manager on the other.
Whom to disbelieve more?
This may just be fog of war, but some of the details still aren’t quite clear. Did he “collapse” first (and why?) and THEN he hit his head? Does collapse mean the same thing as “fall down” or does it mean he had a heart attack or otherwise fainted first? Where was he that no one discovered him for hours? Was this in the hotel gym or was there a treadmill in his suite (these folks are billionaires)? The resort where this supposedly happened has denied that he was even there.
Gee Whiz you guys!
May he rest in peace.
Local prosecutor on the one hand, local hotel manager on the other.
Whom to disbelieve more?Replies: @Steve Sailer
The hotel manager might be drawing a legalistic distinction between, say, the hotel facilities and adjoining private condos, or something like that. Say, for a moment that a treadmill malfunctioned or a security guard fell asleep and let a mugger in who murdered Goldberg. What would Goldberg’s expected lifetime earnings be calculated to be in a wrongful death suit? A hundred million bucks?
When you add in the simple freakishness of what is claimed to have taken place -- is there even a single similar case? -- you have to believe there's likely to be a lot more to the story.
Or Sheryl Sandberg was concerned by what the toxin screen on Goldberg’s body might turn up. Sounds like she is having the autopsy done in Mexico, where you can pay the coroner to remove embarrassing details from the cause of death report. Only Goldberg’s ashes will make it back to the U.S.
Sandberg is a control freak who doesn’t want anything to tarnish her highly polished image.
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There’s a good chance the accident occurred at Casa Aramara (http://www.casaaramara.com/), “a magnificent private beachfront resort” in Punta Mita and not the relatively downscale Four Seasons. A glance at Punta Mita resorts online suggests that Casa Aramara may be the toniest. (For example, it doesn’t show up on Trip Advisor, as the Four Seasons does.) It’s easy to see how with so little information being released, an error was made at some point.
Or it could have happened at a resort so private that not just anyone can even find it online.
Guys, sometimes a donkey show is just a donkey show.
Well, yeah, but think about the pressure that might be put on a local prosecutor to cover up either foul play or something embarrassing to the elites that bring their money into the locality.
When you add in the simple freakishness of what is claimed to have taken place — is there even a single similar case? — you have to believe there’s likely to be a lot more to the story.
Although treadmill injuries are fairly common, treadmill deaths seem to be exceedingly rare, especially among adults. Sometimes small children are injured and even killed when they play around treadmills (Mike Tyson’s daughter was strangled by a treadmill cord) but I couldn’t find any reports of any other adult deaths on a treadmill. Since they max out at around 10mph (and often are set slower), it really requires some sort of freak accident to get killed on one.
http://www.courant.com/features/hc-elizabeth-alexander-0505-20150505-story.htmlI imagine that if Goldberg did indeed die on the treadmill, he had a heart attack or stroke while running, fell over and hit his head and got a big cut.Replies: @Jack D
The novel "Stones for Ibarra," which was made into a movie starring Glenn Close, is about a Glenn Close-like white lady from Northern California who moves to Mexico. Basically every chapter consists of her and her WASP husband getting invited to a local social event, which concludes with some local getting horribly maimed. But what are you going to do? NOT let little boys shoot skyrockets at each other? NOT let men get drunk and celebrate by firing their pistolas? NOT let the bus driver swig tequila while driving El Camino del Muerte over the mountains?Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jack D, @Bill
Sure, at first they act all annoyed that some old safety-obsessed dork is standing beside them, watching them run, but boy will they will be glad I’m there when they’re lying on the floor, unconscious with no one else around.
Pure comedy gold, Chief!
I was curious as well and googling found this:
http://www.courant.com/features/hc-elizabeth-alexander-0505-20150505-story.html
I imagine that if Goldberg did indeed die on the treadmill, he had a heart attack or stroke while running, fell over and hit his head and got a big cut.
Also, do people suffering heart attacks really keel over instantly?
I guess it did not occur to anyone that if Sheryl Sandberg and her brother-in-law wanted to ship his body back to the States for an autopsy, there might be a delay in settling on and announcing the cause of death (differentiating, say, between a heart attack and injuries). Have they even pried his body out of the local coroner?
Must’ve been one helluva donkey show….
I mean, look. I have complete sympathy for Ms. Sandburg and her two children. But when celebrities die, especially unexpectedly, it's kind of like a mini-JFK assassination and you are going to get skepticism, theories, and sick jokes. That's just the way it is.
All I can say at this point is that the circumstances of the accident are bizarre, not just the accident but the fact that he was apparently alone in a hotel gym for several hours. Just doesn't sound right.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
Right, and what adds to the entire mystique is that he died in Mexico. I mean, it might as well have been in Rawanda or Uganda, some middle of nowhere nation like that.
Not sure if Sandberg’s spouse technically is a celebrity on the level of a Paul Walker, much less JFK. He certainly wasn’t on Mark Zuckerberg’s level as far as public Q ratings go.
It’s almost on the level of the sudden death of Andrew Breitbart a few yrs ago. For the longest while tons of conspiracy theories abounded as to how Andrew actually died. No one knew for certain if foul play was involved or not, it was all so sudden, a public man was lost too soon. What could have happened?
Andrew and David. Both cases strangely similar and yet the cases are oh so different.
I really liked Paul Walker.
Seriously? Mexico is not the U.S., but it certainly is no “sub-Somali hellhole” either, by most objective measures.
Penelope Trunk thinks it was suicide: http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2015/05/04/do-we-still-have-to-lean-in-if-dave-goldberg-is-dead/
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Trunk isn't doing any thinking, just recounting an irrelevant story about her uncle.
Wow. Is his youngest brother named Rube? This is a perfect time to cue up How Bizarre by OMC. Every time I look around it’s in my face.
This is not a joke an iSteve inside joke. This is true.
A few years ago I worked at a law firm that specializes in insurance defense. We handled a case for an insurer who did not want to pay the full amount of a claim made by a local health club. An elderly woman fell on a treadmill at the club and was badly injured. She could have died, if not for the intervention of the man on the treadmill next to her (she was tangled in the bars and her head was bouncing on the conveyor; he pulled the plug, disentangled her, and kept her calm until paramedics arrived). That hero’s name?
Paul Walker.
Ya do a good deed and nobody bothers to drag you out of a burning car.
A close family member was passing acquaintances with a close family member of Paul Walker. I remember a few family conversations about this interesting person.
At that time, and for a few years later, we had no idea who Paul Walker was.
Pretty thrilling stuff.Replies: @OhYou!
I wonder if Facebook is censoring their discussions on this topic.
“Paul Walker” is a common name though. Was it Paul “Greatest Actor of his Generation” Walker, or just some random guy who shared his name?
Folks wonder why Harry Reid never considered a lawsuit against the company that made the rubber band that blinded him in one eye and broke a few ribs and other bones in his face.
You would think he wouldn’t want anyone else to suffer such terrible injuries from exercise equipment.
Was it the Paul Walker? Or just a random guy named Paul Walker?
“That hero’s name? Paul Walker.”
Ya do a good deed and nobody bothers to drag you out of a burning car.
People run too fast on a treadmill. It is easy to loose your balance. I believe in “slow running”, I only run 4.2-4.5 mph for 30 minutes. That combined with about 20mins of weights is a decent workout.
Here’s my Paul Walker story:
A close family member was passing acquaintances with a close family member of Paul Walker. I remember a few family conversations about this interesting person.
At that time, and for a few years later, we had no idea who Paul Walker was.
Pretty thrilling stuff.
“The death occurred” is an odd way to say that someone’s died. They’ve now updated it:
Even the NYT can’t find good writers these days.
Keep in mind that this was in Mexico, where accidental deaths are not uncommon.
The novel “Stones for Ibarra,” which was made into a movie starring Glenn Close, is about a Glenn Close-like white lady from Northern California who moves to Mexico. Basically every chapter consists of her and her WASP husband getting invited to a local social event, which concludes with some local getting horribly maimed. But what are you going to do? NOT let little boys shoot skyrockets at each other? NOT let men get drunk and celebrate by firing their pistolas? NOT let the bus driver swig tequila while driving El Camino del Muerte over the mountains?
Pool of blood rules out a heart attack. When the heart stops pumping, only the blood that gravity can move out of you by way of the injury is found on the floor. Scalp wounds are different in that they don’t clot very well, you can have a 1/4″ cut on your noggin and it looks like big chunks are missing with all the blood. My FIL died of a heart attack and hit the bridge of his nose on the concrete edge of the driveway. The RN neighbor that was one of the first there told me no blood and it was a heart attack; which the autopsy confirmed.
The novel "Stones for Ibarra," which was made into a movie starring Glenn Close, is about a Glenn Close-like white lady from Northern California who moves to Mexico. Basically every chapter consists of her and her WASP husband getting invited to a local social event, which concludes with some local getting horribly maimed. But what are you going to do? NOT let little boys shoot skyrockets at each other? NOT let men get drunk and celebrate by firing their pistolas? NOT let the bus driver swig tequila while driving El Camino del Muerte over the mountains?Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jack D, @Bill
Goodness, when you put it like that, South of the Border doesn’t sound like such a swell place to visit after all.
If they had such a big Tequila fever, couldn’t they have picked a more conventional resort befitting their station in life? Was Cabo San Lucas closed for remodeling and that’s why Sheryl and David couldn’t take a trip there instead?
Cabo San Lucas. That’s where all the beautiful people drive down to visit.
LOL
I really liked Paul Walker.
A close family member was passing acquaintances with a close family member of Paul Walker. I remember a few family conversations about this interesting person.
At that time, and for a few years later, we had no idea who Paul Walker was.
Pretty thrilling stuff.Replies: @OhYou!
I have a Paul Walker story too….
My two buddies were at a car show and got to hang with Paul Walker in his trailer.
Yeah, it was awesome. I wasn’t even there and it was awesome.
Search on [treadmill accident]. I never knew.
You would think he wouldn't want anyone else to suffer such terrible injuries from exercise equipment.Replies: @Bill M
Buddy of mine suffered a rectal prolapse while using his Bowflex machine. He sued the shit out of them and got a huge payout, though he has to wear Depends now. The company got shut down and that’s why you never see the infomercials anymore.
Well, the story of Goldberg’s demise is likely to have less problems with veracity than the prosecutor in Baltimore:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/04/marilyn-mosby-vs-the-baltimore-six-the-lies-the-agenda-the-case-for-recusal/#more-100394
Nobody drives to Cabo, except maybe surfers. It’s like 900 miles.
I visited Puerto Vallarta when I was 8 in 1967. It was in the news all the time because of movie “Night of the Iguana.”
Ok, now I’m confused. Various Alisters like Pitt, Clooney, Anniston, other Hollywood big names (ex. Sammy Haggar has a bar down there), and national LA based sports personality Jim Rome have all visited Cabo for about the last decade. Occasionally reports on the latest new cool trendy place to visit for where the elites like to jaunt off to have promoted Cabo for some reason. The way its been written and spoken about I was beginning to think the Alisters were attempting to turn it into a Mexican Malibu colony or something, just for a weekly visiting place, not actually to live down there. Maybe they’re flying in on private planes for a three day wkend or something. But Cabo’s been the name that’s been coming up for some reason for the Alisters.
Right, and Puerto Vallarta gained influence due to Liz and Dick’s vacationing there and their Hollywood pals going to the resorts.
In the 30’s it was Mazatlan. John Wayne, John Ford, Ward Bond, etc would take fishing trips down there with their film buddies.
The elites sure do like moving around Mexico in order to designate their latest “this is the cool spot for us to visit for now, folks!”
It’s easier to take cruises there …
From the AP:
You can’t make this stuff up. Nothing to see here folks, move along.
“Yojimbo/Zatoichi says:
Pat Harrington, best known as Schneider on “One Day at a Time” played a supporting role in the Columbo episode, along with Gretchen Corbett, sidekick to James Garner in “The Rockford Files”.”
Your post brought up a wave of nostaligia – the Rockford Files – one of the few high-points of 1970s televsion. Harrington, by the way, was also the sinister TPC executive in “The President’s Analyst”. And Gretchen Corbett – what a doll.
Remember, Peter Falk was only about 5'5". That's why he didn't always stand in the same shot with the guests, especially if they were much taller. Robert Conrad was in amazing physical shape, he's in the Stuntman's Hall of Fame by the way. Weight lifting, karate, boxing etc. He really was perfect for the episode as gym owner, a la Jack LaLane.
But like Falk, Conrad was short. Only about 5'6". He and Falk are in the same shot and they both are roughly the same height and that's with Falk wearing dress shoes and Conrad in sneakers.
And LaLane was only about 5'6" as well.
That's one thing Steve can say from a personal level: he's definitely in the top 1% in height.
“veteran NYT White House correspondent Jodi Kantor wrote a long paean to the marriage of Sandberg and Dave Goldberg as the perfect feminist union”
Move over Hillary – this women is so so qualified to be president in 2016 – a Jew – an ardent feminist – and she lost an un-Bill husband worthy of a tribal paean – count the ways – man-o-man what a victim – real presidential timber!
They resemble the Kennedys in the worst possible ways
Move over Hillary – this women is so so qualified to be president in 2016 – a Jew – an ardent feminist – and she lost an un-Bill husband worthy of a tribal paean – count the ways – man-o-man what a victim – real presidential timber!Replies: @Steve Sailer
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sheryl-Sandberg-For-President-2016/184420811606777
I’m sure, though, the plan is not for 2016, but instead for a Post-Hillary timeframe.
Steve - Do you think Susie will become president before Michelle and Chelsea – we are sooooo blessed.Replies: @Art
According to Breitbart, he died from a blow to the lower back of the head, so severe that it probably split his head wide open creating that pool of blood? That reads like someone beat his brains in with a dumbbell not a treadmill accident suffered by a portly middle-aged dude who couldn’t do more than a fast walk to save his life.
Or maybe it was a kidnapping gone wrong. Look fatcats like the Sandbergs are ripe targets for this. Here’s the thing, they probably checked into the best rooms in the place and ordered the best room service, etc. This attracts the wrong sort of attention in a place Mexico(where the rich travel with armed bodyguards). Maybe somebody thought sandbagging tubby and holding him for ransom was a quick way to make a couple million, except they caved in tubby’s skull.
The other thing – Who in the hell vacations in a crime ridden cesspit like Mexico when you can afford better locales in Belize or other places? This reeks.
Brilliant.
Did he fall “back, and to the left?” “Back, and to the left?” “Back, and to the left?”
Concerns about kidnapping might explain why the survivors went back to the U.S. so fast. Sandberg’s net worth is around one billion dollars. If her husband died mysteriously in a country with a history of kidnapping rich people for ransom, it might make sense not to stick around for all the formalities, kind of like how on 11/22/63, LBJ decided he wasn’t hanging around Dallas and that he’d rather take his chances in Air Force One. Similarly, on 9/11/01, Bush and Cheney didn’t spend a lot of time on the ground.
I see what you did there…and I approve.
The key isn’t the predictability or frequency of good and bad actions: the key is the lack of order. There’s plenty of good people and periods without violent crime, but that’s an accident, corrected at any time and by almost any actor. By referencing Somalia I was exceedingly clumsy but the point was that the government, inasmuch as it exists, might as well not exist.
I doubt Ms. Sandberg is shedding any tears over her beta hubby regardless.
Awhile back she said something in a speech or interview, advising women to “date the bad boys while they are young, but settle down with a stable man when they get older” to paraphrase. Predictably, the manosphere / PUA community went bonkers.
Here is the the text of what she actually said:
http://i.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/27szuq/what_do_you_think_of_ceo_sheryl_sandbergs_advice/
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Now this discussion is descending into the bizarre. Here we have random individuals assuring us all that she cares nothing for the man to whom she was married for 11 years and who is the father of her children and also giving us the manosphere writers' potted wisdom on the taxonomy of the human male. (Wherein Gen. Petraeus and men who run businesses with eight-figure sums in revenue count as losers).
Not a proper treadmill thread without one of the greatest music vids of all time —
According to local Mexican news sources, there’s a pretty good reason Sheryl Sandberg fled the area. On the same day Goldberg died, Nayarit and Jalisco erupted in narco violence, with the gangs setting up dozens of flaming roadblocks, attacking Mexican army aircraft, torching a dozen banks and causing all sorts of havoc.
It looks like Baghdad circa 2006 in Guadalajara.
I don’t think we’ll ever know what happened to Mr. Goldberg given the chaos in the criminal justice system in the region.
I didn't realize Puerto Vallarta is in Jalisco. It was very peaceful when we drove through it in 1967.
Obviously, he should have taken lessons: https://youtu.be/dTAAsCNK7RA.
It looks like Baghdad circa 2006 in Guadalajara.
I don't think we'll ever know what happened to Mr. Goldberg given the chaos in the criminal justice system in the region.Replies: @Steve Sailer
It makes a lot of sense to get back to the USA pronto.
I didn’t realize Puerto Vallarta is in Jalisco. It was very peaceful when we drove through it in 1967.
Four Seasons Punta Mita — that’s the golf resort with the crazy par three that plays out to an island in the Pacific. I think you can only play it at low tide.
There are some interesting golf courses along Mexico’s Pacific Coast, but they’ve pretty much disappeared off the radar due to the violence, except for Cabo. Is there some reason Cabo seems out of the drug war loop? I guess it’s 900 miles of bad road from the American border, so the drugs skip it.
http://www.fourseasons.com/content/dam/fourseasons/images/web/PUN/PUN_297_aspect16x9.jpg/jcr:content/renditions/cq5dam.web.637.358.jpeg
There are some interesting golf courses along Mexico's Pacific Coast, but they've pretty much disappeared off the radar due to the violence, except for Cabo. Is there some reason Cabo seems out of the drug war loop? I guess it's 900 miles of bad road from the American border, so the drugs skip it.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar
If I had a billion dollars, I’d go to Costa Rica instead of Jalisco.
Goldberg died the same day, May 1, as a major display of violence by a drug cartel in Puerto Vallarta.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2015/05/04/narcoviolence-in-jalisco-home-to-largest-group-of-americans-in-mexico-a-serious-concern/
The day he died the local cartel carried out a bunch of terrorism operations. Maybe killing a rich gringo was part of the plan?
Apparently, the narco offensive is in response to a wave of arrests carried out a couple weeks ago. The killing of a rich gringo would certainly cause a major headache for the provincial government, and it would be in their interests to deny any such occurrence if possible.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2015/05/04/narcoviolence-in-jalisco-home-to-largest-group-of-americans-in-mexico-a-serious-concern/
The day he died the local cartel carried out a bunch of terrorism operations. Maybe killing a rich gringo was part of the plan?Replies: @Bill P
Well, it was May Day, also known as Dia del Trabajo in Mexico. It would be a date upon which the assassination of a plutocrat could have some populist appeal.
Apparently, the narco offensive is in response to a wave of arrests carried out a couple weeks ago. The killing of a rich gringo would certainly cause a major headache for the provincial government, and it would be in their interests to deny any such occurrence if possible.
http://www.courant.com/features/hc-elizabeth-alexander-0505-20150505-story.htmlI imagine that if Goldberg did indeed die on the treadmill, he had a heart attack or stroke while running, fell over and hit his head and got a big cut.Replies: @Jack D
What you are describing is not really a treadmill accident, it is a heart attack. The same could have been true here but they made it sound as if the head trauma was the cause of death.
Also, do people suffering heart attacks really keel over instantly?
The novel "Stones for Ibarra," which was made into a movie starring Glenn Close, is about a Glenn Close-like white lady from Northern California who moves to Mexico. Basically every chapter consists of her and her WASP husband getting invited to a local social event, which concludes with some local getting horribly maimed. But what are you going to do? NOT let little boys shoot skyrockets at each other? NOT let men get drunk and celebrate by firing their pistolas? NOT let the bus driver swig tequila while driving El Camino del Muerte over the mountains?Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jack D, @Bill
I realize that Mexico is “Chinatown”, where colorful things happen which sometimes involve death and dismemberment, but this was at a Four Seasons, where the local color is usually limited to chefly interpretations of the local cuisine. I assume the treadmill was just a standard US model and not some special Mexican low rider version with all the safety features removed and chrome added.
Beat me to it, you churl!
He was COO of facebook. It seems like a fair bet that somebody benefitted. Just so you know: “He fell off the treadmill, banged his head, and died before anybody noticed” is a strange story. It could happen, but it isn’t likely. Even after you hear that it is the official story, it isn’t likely. It’s what we call implausible. That’s what Steve is saying in the last sentence.
That style of thinking that you’ve been carefully taught to call “conspiracy theorizing:” it’s the way you are supposed to think. The idea that the world of human affairs is roughly as it appears, that it operates by easily understood and explicitly explained rules, and that you should pretty much just take people’s actions and words at face value: that way of thinking, it’s diagnostic of something. Something bad. Something disturbingly common in the world of iSteve comments. If Jim Bowery still commented here, he’d blame it on Indian immigration. I miss Jim.
As usual, the reporters got it wrong. Apparently, the Gold/Sand/ bergs were not staying at the Four Seasons itself but at “Palmasola at the Four Seasons Resort” – this is a separate facility that gives you access to the Four Seasons golf course, etc. but is even more upscale. Guests get their own 9 room beachfront villas. Suitable for plutocrats. It’s only $11,500 per night.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/04/dave-goldberg-death_n_7206250.html
http://www.palmasola.net/
This would also explain why he could bleed for hours without being discovered.
Channeling Art Deco today?
The novel "Stones for Ibarra," which was made into a movie starring Glenn Close, is about a Glenn Close-like white lady from Northern California who moves to Mexico. Basically every chapter consists of her and her WASP husband getting invited to a local social event, which concludes with some local getting horribly maimed. But what are you going to do? NOT let little boys shoot skyrockets at each other? NOT let men get drunk and celebrate by firing their pistolas? NOT let the bus driver swig tequila while driving El Camino del Muerte over the mountains?Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jack D, @Bill
Trolling your own commenters isn’t nice. Funny, but not nice.
Or maybe it was a kidnapping gone wrong. Look fatcats like the Sandbergs are ripe targets for this. Here's the thing, they probably checked into the best rooms in the place and ordered the best room service, etc. This attracts the wrong sort of attention in a place Mexico(where the rich travel with armed bodyguards). Maybe somebody thought sandbagging tubby and holding him for ransom was a quick way to make a couple million, except they caved in tubby's skull.
The other thing - Who in the hell vacations in a crime ridden cesspit like Mexico when you can afford better locales in Belize or other places? This reeks.Replies: @Art Deco
Belize has had a higher homicide rate than Mexico in recent years.
Awhile back she said something in a speech or interview, advising women to "date the bad boys while they are young, but settle down with a stable man when they get older" to paraphrase. Predictably, the manosphere / PUA community went bonkers.
Here is the the text of what she actually said:
http://i.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/27szuq/what_do_you_think_of_ceo_sheryl_sandbergs_advice/Replies: @Art Deco
I doubt Ms. Sandberg is shedding any tears over her beta hubby regardless.
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Now this discussion is descending into the bizarre. Here we have random individuals assuring us all that she cares nothing for the man to whom she was married for 11 years and who is the father of her children and also giving us the manosphere writers’ potted wisdom on the taxonomy of the human male. (Wherein Gen. Petraeus and men who run businesses with eight-figure sums in revenue count as losers).
That style of thinking that you've been carefully taught to call "conspiracy theorizing:" it's the way you are supposed to think. The idea that the world of human affairs is roughly as it appears, that it operates by easily understood and explicitly explained rules, and that you should pretty much just take people's actions and words at face value: that way of thinking, it's diagnostic of something. Something bad. Something disturbingly common in the world of iSteve comments. If Jim Bowery still commented here, he'd blame it on Indian immigration. I miss Jim.Replies: @Art Deco, @Melendwyr
He was COO of facebook.
No, his wife is. He was CEO of SurveyMonkey.
Penelope Trunk thinks it was suicide:
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Trunk isn’t doing any thinking, just recounting an irrelevant story about her uncle.
I totally believe in the honesty of the Jalisco Prsecutor.Replies: @anon
“Whiskey” on honesty – an instant iSteve classic.
There's a good chance the accident occurred at Casa Aramara (http://www.casaaramara.com/), "a magnificent private beachfront resort" in Punta Mita and not the relatively downscale Four Seasons. A glance at Punta Mita resorts online suggests that Casa Aramara may be the toniest. (For example, it doesn't show up on Trip Advisor, as the Four Seasons does.) It's easy to see how with so little information being released, an error was made at some point.
Or it could have happened at a resort so private that not just anyone can even find it online.Replies: @Chicago Girl
This was actually submitted before some other things came to light… Oh, well.
Pat Harrington, best known as Schneider on “One Day at a Time” played a supporting role in the Columbo episode, along with Gretchen Corbett, sidekick to James Garner in “The Rockford Files”."
Your post brought up a wave of nostaligia - the Rockford Files - one of the few high-points of 1970s televsion. Harrington, by the way, was also the sinister TPC executive in "The President's Analyst". And Gretchen Corbett - what a doll.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
And a small doll at that. In the Columbo episode she was wearing high heels and still could’t reach Peter Falk’s forehead.
Remember, Peter Falk was only about 5’5″. That’s why he didn’t always stand in the same shot with the guests, especially if they were much taller. Robert Conrad was in amazing physical shape, he’s in the Stuntman’s Hall of Fame by the way. Weight lifting, karate, boxing etc. He really was perfect for the episode as gym owner, a la Jack LaLane.
But like Falk, Conrad was short. Only about 5’6″. He and Falk are in the same shot and they both are roughly the same height and that’s with Falk wearing dress shoes and Conrad in sneakers.
And LaLane was only about 5’6″ as well.
That’s one thing Steve can say from a personal level: he’s definitely in the top 1% in height.
http://www.fourseasons.com/content/dam/fourseasons/images/web/PUN/PUN_297_aspect16x9.jpg/jcr:content/renditions/cq5dam.web.637.358.jpeg
There are some interesting golf courses along Mexico's Pacific Coast, but they've pretty much disappeared off the radar due to the violence, except for Cabo. Is there some reason Cabo seems out of the drug war loop? I guess it's 900 miles of bad road from the American border, so the drugs skip it.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar
After the Flood of ’97, the interstate Bois des Sioux Public Golf Course (formerly Country Club) was transferred to the city of Wahpeton because private clubs were ineligible for FEMA aid. That’s why a North Dakota city owns half a golf course in Minnesota.
If I ever take up the maxiature game, that and Punta Mita are courses I’d like to play. Punta Mita sounds like the Mont St Michel of golf.
Do course architects necessarily play?
Or you could choose a more sensible place, the coast along billionaire beach, in Malibu.
A name like Penelope Trunk would inspire thoughts of suicide, don’tcha think?
“I’m sure, though, the plan is not for 2016, but instead for a Post-Hillary timeframe.”
Steve – Do you think Susie will become president before Michelle and Chelsea – we are sooooo blessed.
Steve - Do you think Susie will become president before Michelle and Chelsea – we are sooooo blessed.Replies: @Art
Sorry – it is Sheryl – not Susie – my bad.
“This would also explain why he could bleed for hours without being discovered.”
Judging from his physique, he regularly disappeared for three hour runs on the treadmill so nothing unusual there.
That style of thinking that you've been carefully taught to call "conspiracy theorizing:" it's the way you are supposed to think. The idea that the world of human affairs is roughly as it appears, that it operates by easily understood and explicitly explained rules, and that you should pretty much just take people's actions and words at face value: that way of thinking, it's diagnostic of something. Something bad. Something disturbingly common in the world of iSteve comments. If Jim Bowery still commented here, he'd blame it on Indian immigration. I miss Jim.Replies: @Art Deco, @Melendwyr
Assuming Byzantine coverups is as fallacious as automatically excluding them.
Hollywood is full of stars forced to use their middle names due to the SAG rule of one-at-time. Charles Patrick Ryan O’Neal even had to drop two names.
So it is striking that someone with as everyday a name as Paul Walker, Joan Allen, Jennifer Lawrence or Anne Hathaway doesn’t even need an initial thrown in.
+1
Hilarious. Well done Morris.
Funny.
But i have to admit i think that treadmills are pretty stupid and a bit dangerous.
Back when my employer had a paid gym membership, i overwhelmingly preferred the stair climber instead. It’s true if i immediately lost consciousness i’d end up being dumped down on the ground and probably have my head whack back on the floor. But with even a tiny bit of–feeling woozy–warning you just hold on lightly while the machine brings you down to the floor.
With the treadmill, you pretty much have to completely let go and flat out run hard to get any decent amount of exercise out of the things. And then unlike actual running where you are determining your pace, this darn thing is continually jerking your feet back at its desired speed. To stop safely on it–unlike the climber–requires a very careful bit of maneuvering to lift yourself and get your feet off to the side. Something that takes a bit of concentration and coordination to avoid being flung off. Not something you want to do if you’re suddenly stricken. And all this nonsense … just to run. Something you can do easily outside, and in fact is more interesting outside with the scenery going by. (Admittedly more difficult in a crowded completely urban environment.)
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This story all in all sounds pretty legit. Goldberg is obvious exercise bait. (As am i having put on another five pounds recently and needing to lose ten or twelve now.) Looks a good 30 overweight, with a somewhat more attractive–and slimmer–billionaire wife. Can believe he’s down there hitting the gym. And not too hard to envision a heart attack–or just passing out–while doing it. And in Mexico the treadmill is most likely to be sitting on a hard tile floor–not the carpet you’ll find in a lot of gyms or homes. I could definitely see him getting woozy, trying to stop and being flung by the treadmill onto his head.
Don’t love this class of people, but very sad for him and particularly his kids. (With a billion+ i’m guessing Sheryl will find male attention again.)
Exactly. Treadmills are stupid. Unnecessarily dangerous for no benefit.
Sorry to hear about you mother-in-law Steve. Particularly not lasting long enough to get to know your kids. My wife’s dad, died (at 61) before we married, and it’s one of my regrets i didn’t get to know him and he didn’t get to know our kids (or in fact any of his grandkids).
There’s a photo of a treadmill on the Palmasola website:
http://www.palmasola.net/gallery.htm#image-29
Why fly all that way for a stinkin’ vacay? Just go to La Jolla and be done with it. Best place in the world. Have a drink, have a drive . . . What’s not to like?
“Why fly all that way for a stinkin’ vacay? Just go to La Jolla and be done with it. Best place in the world. Have a drink, have a drive . . . What’s not to like?”
The rich go to the places they do not because they are so much nicer, but because there, they can be around others who can afford those prices, and more importantly, away from those who cannot.
Even if they weren’t rich, I suspect some of them would regard that huge price differential as money well spent.
“Art Deco says:
(Wherein Gen. Petraeus and men who run businesses with eight-figure sums in revenue count as losers).”
Both Goldberg and Petraeus have lost pretty big.