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Do you ever get the feeling that journalists are starting to feel so constrained by the ruling ideology that they are self-sabotaging their articles, turning them into deadpan send-ups by choosing the dumbest examples in support of the conventional wisdom? For example, from the New York Times:

The Film Fatales Collective Trains a Lens on Gender Inequality
By JOHN ANDERSON AUG. 21, 2015

So, which examples of Hollywood’s unfairness to women directors does Mr. Anderson highlight? The surly Josh Trank flopping with The Fantastic Four after just one previous feature (granted, it was the profitable Chronicle), when a woman director easily could have done a no worse job?

Nah …

Hollywood’s prehistoric attitude toward female directors, the filmmaker Leah Meyerhoff said, was epitomized by the recent “Jurassic World.”

“That guy had directed one half-million-dollar feature,” she said, referring to Colin Trevorrow and “Safety Not Guaranteed” (2012).

Whoever heard of Spielberg knowing anything about summer blockbusters?

A good little movie.

“And Steven Spielberg said he took a chance on him because he reminded him of himself when he was young.”

If that’s the DNA of decision-making, she said, can the film industry evolve?

From BoxOfficeMojo.com, the top 3 movies of all time in worldwide box office:

Screenshot 2015-08-23 00.42.26

You know, it’s almost as if Steven Spielberg has learned a thing or two about how to sell movie tickets.

Seriously, did bored Pravda writers during the Brezhnev years ever sit around at a bar dreaming up a covert contest to see whose editor was dumb enough to fall for the most self-defeating article upholding the Party line?

 
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  1. You don’t understand Leah at all.

    All she is saying is ‘it’s not fair!’

    Which really means that she feels that it’s not fair.

    Which is an entirely different argument from one about equality.

    It is pure emotional reasoning. It is ‘I want this.’ A fact obscured by her wanting to benefit from it partly vicariously, partly because she really believes that she might get it (pure magical thinking), and, in large part, because she thinks that if people recognise her major feelz then they will reward her to balance out her feeling of ‘it’s not fair.’

    She wants something, she doesn’t have it, so she’s having a tantrum to try and get her way.

    The fact that Jurassic World was a mega-success is why she wants it. Why would she have a tantrum to direct a flop?

    The male journalist is just doing what men mostly do. Accepting a woman’s feelz as legitimate to try and ingratiate himself with her or other women, maybe for sex, but probably just for his own narcissistic validation.

    Western culture is this writ large, right now – fluttering on the whims of some girls who were treated so obsequiosly that they have never had to grow up.

    ‘It’s not fair’ equals ‘I want it’ equals ‘I am woman, hear me feelz!’

    Many, many women have grown up and don’t do this. Feminism is a problem because it causes so many of these sensible, emotionally mature women to ignore this issue – the tantrums – out of solidarity or correcting historic imbalances or whatever.

    Only women can shut these little girls up. In the same way that only men can arrest rapists. To frame the great extremes of the now, IS are rapists enabled by male solidarity and SJWs are emotional rapists enabled by female solidarity.

    If I was forced to make a choice, which is how conflicts between extremes tend to end up as mimetic crisis gets out of hand, I’d probably choose IS.

    I hope that all of the emotional mature women recognise this fact and start explaining to these cognitive infants the errors of their ways.

    The point is Steve, you don’t get it, there’s no real reasoning involved. It is the way she feels and that’s it.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin, JSM
    • Replies: @Deduction
    Serious, mature men in the West work hard to reign in other, immature, men's physical violence against women. They don't indulge their worst instincts and they don't use their far superior capacity for physical violence to get ahead.

    Serious, mature women in the West are not trying to reign in other, emotionally undeveloped, women's emotional violence against men. They even sometimes indulge their worst instincts and use their far superior capacity for emotional violenece to get ahead.

    Steve, you can't fight this war, anymore than a woman can compete in a male boxing match. You're hopelessly outmatched in a bout of emotional violence. In fact, you don't even understand the rules.

    If you had grown up being subjected to immense emotional violence then it'd be easier for you to see this.

    You would also feel extremely let down by the fact that so many women can see all of this clearly and yet choose to ignore it.

    Oh well, as I said, there's always IS.
    , @27 year old
    Basically this, there's no reasons, there's just feelings and rationalizations
    , @Kylie
    Good analysis--right up to your hope that women explain to infantilized females the errors of their ways. We don't have any better luck doing that than you men do. Even to broach the subject automatically condemns us to being on your side.
    , @Paleo Retiree
    Genius comment. Great posting from Steve too.
  2. @Deduction
    You don't understand Leah at all.

    All she is saying is 'it's not fair!'

    Which really means that she feels that it's not fair.

    Which is an entirely different argument from one about equality.

    It is pure emotional reasoning. It is 'I want this.' A fact obscured by her wanting to benefit from it partly vicariously, partly because she really believes that she might get it (pure magical thinking), and, in large part, because she thinks that if people recognise her major feelz then they will reward her to balance out her feeling of 'it's not fair.'

    She wants something, she doesn't have it, so she's having a tantrum to try and get her way.

    The fact that Jurassic World was a mega-success is why she wants it. Why would she have a tantrum to direct a flop?

    The male journalist is just doing what men mostly do. Accepting a woman's feelz as legitimate to try and ingratiate himself with her or other women, maybe for sex, but probably just for his own narcissistic validation.

    Western culture is this writ large, right now - fluttering on the whims of some girls who were treated so obsequiosly that they have never had to grow up.

    'It's not fair' equals 'I want it' equals 'I am woman, hear me feelz!'

    Many, many women have grown up and don't do this. Feminism is a problem because it causes so many of these sensible, emotionally mature women to ignore this issue - the tantrums - out of solidarity or correcting historic imbalances or whatever.

    Only women can shut these little girls up. In the same way that only men can arrest rapists. To frame the great extremes of the now, IS are rapists enabled by male solidarity and SJWs are emotional rapists enabled by female solidarity.

    If I was forced to make a choice, which is how conflicts between extremes tend to end up as mimetic crisis gets out of hand, I'd probably choose IS.

    I hope that all of the emotional mature women recognise this fact and start explaining to these cognitive infants the errors of their ways.

    The point is Steve, you don't get it, there's no real reasoning involved. It is the way she feels and that's it.

    Serious, mature men in the West work hard to reign in other, immature, men’s physical violence against women. They don’t indulge their worst instincts and they don’t use their far superior capacity for physical violence to get ahead.

    Serious, mature women in the West are not trying to reign in other, emotionally undeveloped, women’s emotional violence against men. They even sometimes indulge their worst instincts and use their far superior capacity for emotional violenece to get ahead.

    Steve, you can’t fight this war, anymore than a woman can compete in a male boxing match. You’re hopelessly outmatched in a bout of emotional violence. In fact, you don’t even understand the rules.

    If you had grown up being subjected to immense emotional violence then it’d be easier for you to see this.

    You would also feel extremely let down by the fact that so many women can see all of this clearly and yet choose to ignore it.

    Oh well, as I said, there’s always IS.

    • Agree: Romanian
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    to reign in other, immature, men’s physical violence against women.
     
    Reign, reign, go away…

    It's rein. It's not about the king, it's about the king's horses!

  3. What may as well be self-parody is also kin to no shit sherlock. Like the not bad Jonathan Haidt’s current LLLong piece over at the Atlantic about the effects of the micro-aggression movement on students: not worth writing at all. A more interesting question is the particular psychology of the individuals who demand that shit. How many of them have actually known trauma? I suspect they are students who feel their opinions strongly, but can’t do too good the old fashioned thing and write ’em up and argue in ink. Maybe just attention seekers. OR maybe its self-parody, and the jokes on we who lambaste them.

    • Replies: @SFG
    I think, written in the Atlantic and by a guy who went from liberal to conservative and hence speaks both languages, it has a lot more potential to slow the slide toward Microaggression-America than anything any of us writes, and for that reason is very much worth writing.
  4. A more interesting question is the particular psychology of the individuals who demand that shit. How many of them have actually known trauma

    They haven’t been socialised properly. No-one has called them on their nonsense. That is a trauma of sorts, it is a form of abuse of sorts – like not potty training your child.

  5. Seriously, did bored Pravda writers during the Brezhnev years ever sit around at a bar dreaming up a covert contest to see whose editor was dumb enough to fall for the most self-defeating article upholding the Party line?

    Movies aside (I’m no film pundit), in respect to journalism, this (above) illustration is sublime irony. On the other hand, one might inquire as to the extent the media culture has been dumbed down in the west via the cynical machinations originating with one Edward Bernays –

    • Replies: @SFG
    It's more TV-versus-newspapers, I think. Image becomes more important.

    Besides, I'm not sure a dumbed-down media culture is that much easier to propagandize--you just need to hire propagandists who do stupid better. After all, most gender studies folderol is written at a high reading level in terms of vocabulary, etc.

  6. There’s a lot a resentment among young female comedians that their male counterparts don’t consider them very funny. Their reaction is to share their grievances among themselves, complain publicly, and demand more inclusion. Bizarre. The only meaningful way to respond to an accusation that you’re not very funny is to be very funny. I suppose this rule has general application but for some reason it seems particularly obvious in this context.

    • Replies: @Deduction
    Another man who doesn't get it.

    The only meaningful way to respond to an accusation that you’re not very funny is to be very funny
     
    Their response is highly meaningful to them. Their response is to feel sad.

    They want you to know that you're making them feel sad, so they're lashing out.
    , @SFG
    I don't know, the organize-and-demand-inclusion strategy seems to work for most of the groups that have tried it. What would you have thought of a transgender rights movement 20 years ago?
    , @Maj. Kong
    [Insert cause of resentment here] is a social construct.

    For some reason, I must only find Sarah Silverman, et al. repulsive, because I am a male.

    It's much like the attitude of the local MLB ownership, when the team sucks, blame the fans for not showing up.
    , @silviosilver

    I suppose this rule has general application but for some reason it seems particularly obvious in this context.
     
    Yeah, it's a lot easier to feign interest in female sports than in female comedy. You can pretend to laugh at one or two unfunny jokes, but imagine doing that for a whole hour. Even if you pulled off a whole hour once, how keen would you be to repeat that performance?
  7. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Hollywood will do what liberal-lefties do and act as if they’re engaging in some soul searching and are busy working on things like gender imbalance. This substitutes for actually doing anything. They’re not in business to lose money, after all. It’s hard to tell what journalists really believe since they’re writing in return for their income and must please their bosses. Parody or true-believer, who knows.

  8. You can see from Leah Meyerhoff’s trailers that she has a talent for making movies.

    http://www.filmfatalesnyc.com/#!leah-meyerhoff/c14fk

    Unfortunately, she might not have a talent for making profitable movies. Her target audience is girls who do not pay their own money to watch movies and who do not identify with the female leads of profitable movies.

    Following are excerpts from an interview with Fimmaker Magazine:

    Filmmaker:
    How much were you considering its financial or commercial viability while you were in the process of making the film?

    Meyerhoff:
    Before we started shooting, we kept that in mind in that we knew we were targeting a population of young women who are difficult to reach. So we knew we wanted to keep the budget as low as possible, but during the actual production I wasn’t thinking about that at all. …..

    Traveling to festivals has been fascinating because a lot of teenage and college-aged girls don’t go to movie theaters and don’t go to film festivals. They watch everything online, often for free. So, they’re this target audience that’s difficult to reach. ….

    We’ll never have a massive marketing budget. We have a demographic similar to The Hunger Games, but it’s the alternative demographic — those girls who don’t see themselves in Twilight or Hunger Games are the ones who really appreciate this movie ….

    I was not one of those girls who loved unicorns, that was something I got from a teenage girl I was corresponding with. I realized it was a great metaphor, so I think tapping into your audience early, even if it’s small, and figuring out who you’re making the film for, and then connecting to those people, is so beneficial not just in terms of a business sense, but on the creative level.

    http://filmmakermagazine.com/94321-biggest-challenge-best-lesson-i-believe-in-unicorns-director-leah-meyerhoff/#.Vdm1rCVVhBc

  9. Am I missing something? Aren’t the first two on the list James Cameron rather than Spielberg?

  10. @Deduction
    Serious, mature men in the West work hard to reign in other, immature, men's physical violence against women. They don't indulge their worst instincts and they don't use their far superior capacity for physical violence to get ahead.

    Serious, mature women in the West are not trying to reign in other, emotionally undeveloped, women's emotional violence against men. They even sometimes indulge their worst instincts and use their far superior capacity for emotional violenece to get ahead.

    Steve, you can't fight this war, anymore than a woman can compete in a male boxing match. You're hopelessly outmatched in a bout of emotional violence. In fact, you don't even understand the rules.

    If you had grown up being subjected to immense emotional violence then it'd be easier for you to see this.

    You would also feel extremely let down by the fact that so many women can see all of this clearly and yet choose to ignore it.

    Oh well, as I said, there's always IS.

    to reign in other, immature, men’s physical violence against women.

    Reign, reign, go away…

    It’s rein. It’s not about the king, it’s about the king’s horses!

    • Agree: carol
  11. @Harry Baldwin
    There's a lot a resentment among young female comedians that their male counterparts don't consider them very funny. Their reaction is to share their grievances among themselves, complain publicly, and demand more inclusion. Bizarre. The only meaningful way to respond to an accusation that you're not very funny is to be very funny. I suppose this rule has general application but for some reason it seems particularly obvious in this context.

    Another man who doesn’t get it.

    The only meaningful way to respond to an accusation that you’re not very funny is to be very funny

    Their response is highly meaningful to them. Their response is to feel sad.

    They want you to know that you’re making them feel sad, so they’re lashing out.

    • Replies: @Deduction
    My comment didn't get it quite right.

    It's more than just feeling sad. They are indulging in feeling sad. They want to feel sad and be the victim. It stimulates them. It is stimulating to everyone, but so much more to them.

    Not succumbing to this self-indulgence is the mark of the emotionally mature woman.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Harry Baldwin
    Another man who doesn’t get it.


    So, pushing the "agree" button on your comment still isn't enough for you?
  12. @Pat Casey
    What may as well be self-parody is also kin to no shit sherlock. Like the not bad Jonathan Haidt's current LLLong piece over at the Atlantic about the effects of the micro-aggression movement on students: not worth writing at all. A more interesting question is the particular psychology of the individuals who demand that shit. How many of them have actually known trauma? I suspect they are students who feel their opinions strongly, but can't do too good the old fashioned thing and write 'em up and argue in ink. Maybe just attention seekers. OR maybe its self-parody, and the jokes on we who lambaste them.

    I think, written in the Atlantic and by a guy who went from liberal to conservative and hence speaks both languages, it has a lot more potential to slow the slide toward Microaggression-America than anything any of us writes, and for that reason is very much worth writing.

    • Replies: @Pat Casey
    Good point agreed. Suppose I was thinking me reading it was my waste. But that its taken seriously in general I need reminding. And the piece need not have been interminable. What a predictable thing, come to think, if you assumed the progression of PC would be perfectly linear. And maybe it should be pushed to the limit by students secretly intending to finally shout: you idiots its a big joke, you effin morons, grow a pair and say, no students you must be brave, like adults.
  13. @Harry Baldwin
    There's a lot a resentment among young female comedians that their male counterparts don't consider them very funny. Their reaction is to share their grievances among themselves, complain publicly, and demand more inclusion. Bizarre. The only meaningful way to respond to an accusation that you're not very funny is to be very funny. I suppose this rule has general application but for some reason it seems particularly obvious in this context.

    I don’t know, the organize-and-demand-inclusion strategy seems to work for most of the groups that have tried it. What would you have thought of a transgender rights movement 20 years ago?

    • Disagree: Marat
    • Replies: @Deduction

    I don’t know, the organize-and-demand-inclusion strategy seems to work for most of the groups that have tried it. What would you have thought of a transgender rights movement 20 years ago?
     
    It's only a prerequisite.

    You won't get anywhere if you don't organise and demand, but plenty of groups have organised and demanded and have gotten nowhere.
    , @Jacobite

    What would you have thought of a transgender rights movement 20 years ago?
     
    I thought that it was inevitable 40 years ago. Drag queens and butch dykes were already demanding it.
    , @BigGaySteve
    Actually 20 years ago at gay conferences they where talking about Gay Marriage, destroying monogamous marriage, attacking churches tax exempt status, lowing the age of consent and making streets safer for teen sex workers. I attended a conference with a gay youth group and when I pointed out that I was an EMT & the streets will never be actually safe for cops or ambulance crew it caused lots of badfeelz.
  14. @Deduction
    You don't understand Leah at all.

    All she is saying is 'it's not fair!'

    Which really means that she feels that it's not fair.

    Which is an entirely different argument from one about equality.

    It is pure emotional reasoning. It is 'I want this.' A fact obscured by her wanting to benefit from it partly vicariously, partly because she really believes that she might get it (pure magical thinking), and, in large part, because she thinks that if people recognise her major feelz then they will reward her to balance out her feeling of 'it's not fair.'

    She wants something, she doesn't have it, so she's having a tantrum to try and get her way.

    The fact that Jurassic World was a mega-success is why she wants it. Why would she have a tantrum to direct a flop?

    The male journalist is just doing what men mostly do. Accepting a woman's feelz as legitimate to try and ingratiate himself with her or other women, maybe for sex, but probably just for his own narcissistic validation.

    Western culture is this writ large, right now - fluttering on the whims of some girls who were treated so obsequiosly that they have never had to grow up.

    'It's not fair' equals 'I want it' equals 'I am woman, hear me feelz!'

    Many, many women have grown up and don't do this. Feminism is a problem because it causes so many of these sensible, emotionally mature women to ignore this issue - the tantrums - out of solidarity or correcting historic imbalances or whatever.

    Only women can shut these little girls up. In the same way that only men can arrest rapists. To frame the great extremes of the now, IS are rapists enabled by male solidarity and SJWs are emotional rapists enabled by female solidarity.

    If I was forced to make a choice, which is how conflicts between extremes tend to end up as mimetic crisis gets out of hand, I'd probably choose IS.

    I hope that all of the emotional mature women recognise this fact and start explaining to these cognitive infants the errors of their ways.

    The point is Steve, you don't get it, there's no real reasoning involved. It is the way she feels and that's it.

    Basically this, there’s no reasons, there’s just feelings and rationalizations

  15. @SFG
    I think, written in the Atlantic and by a guy who went from liberal to conservative and hence speaks both languages, it has a lot more potential to slow the slide toward Microaggression-America than anything any of us writes, and for that reason is very much worth writing.

    Good point agreed. Suppose I was thinking me reading it was my waste. But that its taken seriously in general I need reminding. And the piece need not have been interminable. What a predictable thing, come to think, if you assumed the progression of PC would be perfectly linear. And maybe it should be pushed to the limit by students secretly intending to finally shout: you idiots its a big joke, you effin morons, grow a pair and say, no students you must be brave, like adults.

  16. @Deduction
    Another man who doesn't get it.

    The only meaningful way to respond to an accusation that you’re not very funny is to be very funny
     
    Their response is highly meaningful to them. Their response is to feel sad.

    They want you to know that you're making them feel sad, so they're lashing out.

    My comment didn’t get it quite right.

    It’s more than just feeling sad. They are indulging in feeling sad. They want to feel sad and be the victim. It stimulates them. It is stimulating to everyone, but so much more to them.

    Not succumbing to this self-indulgence is the mark of the emotionally mature woman.

  17. @SFG
    I don't know, the organize-and-demand-inclusion strategy seems to work for most of the groups that have tried it. What would you have thought of a transgender rights movement 20 years ago?

    I don’t know, the organize-and-demand-inclusion strategy seems to work for most of the groups that have tried it. What would you have thought of a transgender rights movement 20 years ago?

    It’s only a prerequisite.

    You won’t get anywhere if you don’t organise and demand, but plenty of groups have organised and demanded and have gotten nowhere.

  18. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    DIYDDIYD. Damned if you…

    So, if you hire someone based on experience, that is ‘sexist’ cuz men have more experience.

    But if you hire someone based on inspiration and freshness, that too is ‘sexist’ since new male directors tend to be bolder.

  19. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Ideology works like a game of Where’s Waldo or spot the phallus.

    If you make someone see a certain pic, watch a certain movie, or read a certain book, he or she will likely have no special idea about it.

    But if you tell him or her that the work is about something, the mind will seek out that thing in every square inch, frame, or page.

    If you say ‘look for waldo’, the mind will focus only on waldo. If you say the pic, film, or book is filled with phallic imagery, the mind will be especially attuned to spotting it.

    It’s like a bloodhound trained to sniff out the suspect by single scent of his clothing. The scent is the ONLY ‘truth’ that the hound cares about.

    Now, there may be some real waldos to be found. But once all the waldos have been removed, then what?

    The dogmatized mind trained to track down a certain scent still seeks out Waldo. So, it begins to see waldo even where he isn’t.
    This is the Monahan Syndrome.
    Eventually, every character in the pic is suspected of being a closet waldo or waldo in disguise.

  20. “Do you ever get the feeling that journalists are starting to feel so constrained by the ruling ideology that they are self-sabotaging their articles, turning them into deadpan send-ups by choosing the dumbest examples in support of the conventional wisdom? ”

    I have long thought exactly that, and I look for it.

  21. She fundamentally accepts that the fantastic four was going to be a bad movie(it was made soley to hold onto the rights), and that Jurrasic World was going to be a good movie. A woman director surely couldn’t have screwed up Jurrasic World though, right?

  22. @Harry Baldwin
    There's a lot a resentment among young female comedians that their male counterparts don't consider them very funny. Their reaction is to share their grievances among themselves, complain publicly, and demand more inclusion. Bizarre. The only meaningful way to respond to an accusation that you're not very funny is to be very funny. I suppose this rule has general application but for some reason it seems particularly obvious in this context.

    [Insert cause of resentment here] is a social construct.

    For some reason, I must only find Sarah Silverman, et al. repulsive, because I am a male.

    It’s much like the attitude of the local MLB ownership, when the team sucks, blame the fans for not showing up.

  23. To answer the question you pose in the first paragraph Steve, yes – I do get this feeling quite strongly. I’ve been reading the Guardian a lot recently (partly because it has such a large and active comments section, and is actually pretty tolerant of dissenting views), and some of the positions advanced by its goodthinker columnists are so laughable that you feel they are doing it deliberately to undermine the party line that they are obliged to toe. If I were in their position I would do the same.

    Ultimately, this may be one of the best ways to change the media narrative.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    "I’ve been reading the Guardian a lot recently (partly because it has such a large and active comments section, and is actually pretty tolerant of dissenting views)"

    It's not THAT tolerant. You can't say in a comment on an immigration/asylum thread - or any thread - that Africans have a lower average IQ than Europeans, for example. Hate facts.

    "and some of the positions advanced by its goodthinker columnists are so laughable that you feel they are doing it deliberately to undermine the party line"

    No. I've been reading the Guardian since the early 70s and I've watched the Overton Window shift so far 'left' that they're having to extend the house to stop it falling out.

    One thing is that the average Guardian commenter on immigration and asylum issues can see what's in front of their eyes now, where 20 years back there were still many ordinary places which were all white British. Not so now, and the alleged benefits of diversity get short shrift. More people seem to realise that diversity is bad for working people's wages (among other things).

    , @Ronald Thomas West
    The Guardian banned me from commenting for daring to point out similarities between the behaviors of the Nazis 'krystalnacht' and the behaviors of some Ashkenazi in the present day West Bank in a context of inter-generational violence. When I questioned Guardian over the rationale of my being banned for what was a quite reasonable observation based in known and observed (studied) social phenomenon, their reply was 'many people would find the comparison offensive' without addressing whether the issue should be fairly discussed. Tolerant? I don't think so.
  24. @Deduction
    You don't understand Leah at all.

    All she is saying is 'it's not fair!'

    Which really means that she feels that it's not fair.

    Which is an entirely different argument from one about equality.

    It is pure emotional reasoning. It is 'I want this.' A fact obscured by her wanting to benefit from it partly vicariously, partly because she really believes that she might get it (pure magical thinking), and, in large part, because she thinks that if people recognise her major feelz then they will reward her to balance out her feeling of 'it's not fair.'

    She wants something, she doesn't have it, so she's having a tantrum to try and get her way.

    The fact that Jurassic World was a mega-success is why she wants it. Why would she have a tantrum to direct a flop?

    The male journalist is just doing what men mostly do. Accepting a woman's feelz as legitimate to try and ingratiate himself with her or other women, maybe for sex, but probably just for his own narcissistic validation.

    Western culture is this writ large, right now - fluttering on the whims of some girls who were treated so obsequiosly that they have never had to grow up.

    'It's not fair' equals 'I want it' equals 'I am woman, hear me feelz!'

    Many, many women have grown up and don't do this. Feminism is a problem because it causes so many of these sensible, emotionally mature women to ignore this issue - the tantrums - out of solidarity or correcting historic imbalances or whatever.

    Only women can shut these little girls up. In the same way that only men can arrest rapists. To frame the great extremes of the now, IS are rapists enabled by male solidarity and SJWs are emotional rapists enabled by female solidarity.

    If I was forced to make a choice, which is how conflicts between extremes tend to end up as mimetic crisis gets out of hand, I'd probably choose IS.

    I hope that all of the emotional mature women recognise this fact and start explaining to these cognitive infants the errors of their ways.

    The point is Steve, you don't get it, there's no real reasoning involved. It is the way she feels and that's it.

    Good analysis–right up to your hope that women explain to infantilized females the errors of their ways. We don’t have any better luck doing that than you men do. Even to broach the subject automatically condemns us to being on your side.

    • Replies: @Deduction

    Good analysis–right up to your hope that women explain to infantilized females the errors of their ways. We don’t have any better luck doing that than you men do. Even to broach the subject automatically condemns us to being on your side
     
    That's true of you as an individual.

    In Islamic State if a man tells another man not to hit his wife, the first man will probably get hit.

    If a bunch of men tell a man not to hit his wife, the wife beater will have to stop.

    Can a significant number of women be persuaded/reminded of their duty to talk down these infants?

    I think it starts with highlighting just how vulnerable men are to this type of discourse and how the sexes have reciprocal duties to one another in a healthy society.
  25. @Ronald Thomas West

    Seriously, did bored Pravda writers during the Brezhnev years ever sit around at a bar dreaming up a covert contest to see whose editor was dumb enough to fall for the most self-defeating article upholding the Party line?
     
    Movies aside (I'm no film pundit), in respect to journalism, this (above) illustration is sublime irony. On the other hand, one might inquire as to the extent the media culture has been dumbed down in the west via the cynical machinations originating with one Edward Bernays -

    It’s more TV-versus-newspapers, I think. Image becomes more important.

    Besides, I’m not sure a dumbed-down media culture is that much easier to propagandize–you just need to hire propagandists who do stupid better. After all, most gender studies folderol is written at a high reading level in terms of vocabulary, etc.

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
    "you just need to hire propagandists who do stupid better"

    Thanks for today's best laugh (so far)
  26. @Deduction
    You don't understand Leah at all.

    All she is saying is 'it's not fair!'

    Which really means that she feels that it's not fair.

    Which is an entirely different argument from one about equality.

    It is pure emotional reasoning. It is 'I want this.' A fact obscured by her wanting to benefit from it partly vicariously, partly because she really believes that she might get it (pure magical thinking), and, in large part, because she thinks that if people recognise her major feelz then they will reward her to balance out her feeling of 'it's not fair.'

    She wants something, she doesn't have it, so she's having a tantrum to try and get her way.

    The fact that Jurassic World was a mega-success is why she wants it. Why would she have a tantrum to direct a flop?

    The male journalist is just doing what men mostly do. Accepting a woman's feelz as legitimate to try and ingratiate himself with her or other women, maybe for sex, but probably just for his own narcissistic validation.

    Western culture is this writ large, right now - fluttering on the whims of some girls who were treated so obsequiosly that they have never had to grow up.

    'It's not fair' equals 'I want it' equals 'I am woman, hear me feelz!'

    Many, many women have grown up and don't do this. Feminism is a problem because it causes so many of these sensible, emotionally mature women to ignore this issue - the tantrums - out of solidarity or correcting historic imbalances or whatever.

    Only women can shut these little girls up. In the same way that only men can arrest rapists. To frame the great extremes of the now, IS are rapists enabled by male solidarity and SJWs are emotional rapists enabled by female solidarity.

    If I was forced to make a choice, which is how conflicts between extremes tend to end up as mimetic crisis gets out of hand, I'd probably choose IS.

    I hope that all of the emotional mature women recognise this fact and start explaining to these cognitive infants the errors of their ways.

    The point is Steve, you don't get it, there's no real reasoning involved. It is the way she feels and that's it.

    Genius comment. Great posting from Steve too.

  27. I honestly don’t think it’s self-parody. I get the impression that the left (generally speaking) believes it invented parody, so (for some reason) it can’t be used against them or they’re immune from it…or something.

    I think this is an example of a careerist churning out product that will blindly be accepted by his customer base. That’s what 98% of the people in the world do, whatever their perspective.

    The topic of bias towards filmmakers in Hollywood got me thinking about a movie I saw for the first time on youtube last night. It was “Bride of Frankenstein,” and yes, it’s about as good as everyone says it is. With two minutes of research, I found out that James Whale was openly gay. This was back in 1935, mind you, which makes Anderson’s article seem all the more absurd.

    • Replies: @Deduction

    I think this is an example of a careerist churning out product that will blindly be accepted by his customer base. That’s what 98% of the people in the world do, whatever their perspective
     
    You're right but it's much easier to churn out stuff that emotionally resonates with yourself.
  28. @SFG
    It's more TV-versus-newspapers, I think. Image becomes more important.

    Besides, I'm not sure a dumbed-down media culture is that much easier to propagandize--you just need to hire propagandists who do stupid better. After all, most gender studies folderol is written at a high reading level in terms of vocabulary, etc.

    “you just need to hire propagandists who do stupid better”

    Thanks for today’s best laugh (so far)

  29. There was an article in the LAT Calendar Section IIRC either Friday or Thursday, I’m too blamed lazy to look it up, in which this issue of one-minor-movie boy wonders like Trank getting big budget movies. When female directors do not.

    The takeaway (VERY INTERESTING):

    Studios CHOOSE directors they can bully around and manipulate. The stakes are big, the executives all think they are “the real” directors, and in the case of the Marvel movies have sequels and tie ins to do. For example, Joss Whedon had massive fights with the Marvel execs particularly Kevin Feige over lines between Captain America and Iron Man setting up their “Civil War” movie. Whedon thought they were a waste because they dragged the movie down out of the immediate action and Feige had other fish to fry.

    Also, and this is key … FEMALE DIRECTORS TURN DOWN BIG BUDGET ACTION MOVIES. The “Selma” director was offered IIRC Fantastic Four, and turned it down. Other female directors have turned down other big budget movies, apparently, this just in, female directors mostly like doing interior pieces about people’s emotions and feelings and situations, rather than fighting giant monsters, fighting giant robots, fighting giant dinosaurs, etc.

    There IS something to be learned about the one-movie-boy-wonder trend in big budget action movies:

    A. Execs want total control so no big names just easily bullied jobbers.
    B. Female directors find fighting Giant Robots Boring.

    Granted this is the file under obvious, but its good to sometimes restate that 2+2 = 4.

  30. Jurassic World alternate version: Queen Indominus Rex is caged by the science of the patriarchy. One day, the clever girl breaks through the glass ceiling of her cage, escaping to the real world on a journey of self discovery where she learns to laugh, find romance, and (most importantly) love herself. Eat Prey, Love.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    Wasn't there this Japanese-comic book inspired sea monsters vs robots film?

    These robots were -- yuuuge! -- and they needed a human operator of the mechanical legs and arms, but oh no, they could not be operated by one person because the sensory overload would drive that person insane. You needed two crew members to operate the robot, and to operate the robot so it would not trip over its own mechnical feet, the two pilots had to coordinate their commands by sharing their feelings or something?

    And then, take the Hunger Games . . . please!

    Now don't get me started about all of those vampire movies, not to mention 40 Shades of Gray . . . Hey, won't anyone around here get me started!

    You think your script about Queen Indominus Rex is original? These women-directed films are not about "feelings", they are about every dude's Big Sis who has since forever been telling you what you are supposed to do and think . . .
  31. @Rob
    To answer the question you pose in the first paragraph Steve, yes - I do get this feeling quite strongly. I've been reading the Guardian a lot recently (partly because it has such a large and active comments section, and is actually pretty tolerant of dissenting views), and some of the positions advanced by its goodthinker columnists are so laughable that you feel they are doing it deliberately to undermine the party line that they are obliged to toe. If I were in their position I would do the same.

    Ultimately, this may be one of the best ways to change the media narrative.

    “I’ve been reading the Guardian a lot recently (partly because it has such a large and active comments section, and is actually pretty tolerant of dissenting views)”

    It’s not THAT tolerant. You can’t say in a comment on an immigration/asylum thread – or any thread – that Africans have a lower average IQ than Europeans, for example. Hate facts.

    “and some of the positions advanced by its goodthinker columnists are so laughable that you feel they are doing it deliberately to undermine the party line”

    No. I’ve been reading the Guardian since the early 70s and I’ve watched the Overton Window shift so far ‘left’ that they’re having to extend the house to stop it falling out.

    One thing is that the average Guardian commenter on immigration and asylum issues can see what’s in front of their eyes now, where 20 years back there were still many ordinary places which were all white British. Not so now, and the alleged benefits of diversity get short shrift. More people seem to realise that diversity is bad for working people’s wages (among other things).

  32. Scott Alexander on Malcolm Muggeridge:

    [Muggeridge] finds himself a part of the elite fraternity of western journalists on the Soviet beat, who maintain their morale by one-upping each other in how cynical and patronizing they can be towards their Russian hosts and their credulous readers back home:

    “We used to run a little contest among ourselves to see who could produce the most striking example of credulity among this fine flower of our western intelligentsia. Persuading church dignitaries to feel at home in an anti-God museum was too easy to count. So was taking lawyers into the people´s courts. I got an honourable mention by persuading Lord Marley that the queueing at food shops was permitted by the authorities because it provided a means of inducing the workers to take a rest when otherwise their zeal for completing the five-year plan in record time was such that they would keep at it all the time, but no marks for floating a story that Soviet citizens were being asked to send in human hair – any sort – for making of felt boots. It seemed that this had actually happened.”

    link

  33. @Rob
    To answer the question you pose in the first paragraph Steve, yes - I do get this feeling quite strongly. I've been reading the Guardian a lot recently (partly because it has such a large and active comments section, and is actually pretty tolerant of dissenting views), and some of the positions advanced by its goodthinker columnists are so laughable that you feel they are doing it deliberately to undermine the party line that they are obliged to toe. If I were in their position I would do the same.

    Ultimately, this may be one of the best ways to change the media narrative.

    The Guardian banned me from commenting for daring to point out similarities between the behaviors of the Nazis ‘krystalnacht’ and the behaviors of some Ashkenazi in the present day West Bank in a context of inter-generational violence. When I questioned Guardian over the rationale of my being banned for what was a quite reasonable observation based in known and observed (studied) social phenomenon, their reply was ‘many people would find the comparison offensive’ without addressing whether the issue should be fairly discussed. Tolerant? I don’t think so.

    • Replies: @Rifleman

    If that’s the DNA of decision-making, she said, can the film industry evolve?
     
    NY Times - End of the film industry predicted tomorrow. Women and minority directors expected to be hit hardest.

    The Guardian banned me from commenting for daring to point out similarities between the behaviors of the Nazis ‘krystalnacht’ and the behaviors of some Ashkenazi in the present day West Bank in a context of inter-generational violence.
     
    You could switch it up and go back to the Torah and find proto-nazi language and actions back them.

    Nazi black letter was influenced by Hebrew script as well. Something like that.

    Guardian types would prefer you focus on Nazi similarities in South Africa, British Empire and USA.

    Leave Israel out of it.
  34. @Ronald Thomas West
    The Guardian banned me from commenting for daring to point out similarities between the behaviors of the Nazis 'krystalnacht' and the behaviors of some Ashkenazi in the present day West Bank in a context of inter-generational violence. When I questioned Guardian over the rationale of my being banned for what was a quite reasonable observation based in known and observed (studied) social phenomenon, their reply was 'many people would find the comparison offensive' without addressing whether the issue should be fairly discussed. Tolerant? I don't think so.

    If that’s the DNA of decision-making, she said, can the film industry evolve?

    NY Times – End of the film industry predicted tomorrow. Women and minority directors expected to be hit hardest.

    The Guardian banned me from commenting for daring to point out similarities between the behaviors of the Nazis ‘krystalnacht’ and the behaviors of some Ashkenazi in the present day West Bank in a context of inter-generational violence.

    You could switch it up and go back to the Torah and find proto-nazi language and actions back them.

    Nazi black letter was influenced by Hebrew script as well. Something like that.

    Guardian types would prefer you focus on Nazi similarities in South Africa, British Empire and USA.

    Leave Israel out of it.

  35. http://cbsn.ws/1LrtRbI

    Mess up the Middle East, and this happens.

    Shame on the West.

  36. @Deduction
    Another man who doesn't get it.

    The only meaningful way to respond to an accusation that you’re not very funny is to be very funny
     
    Their response is highly meaningful to them. Their response is to feel sad.

    They want you to know that you're making them feel sad, so they're lashing out.


    Another man who doesn’t get it.

    So, pushing the “agree” button on your comment still isn’t enough for you?

    • Replies: @Deduction
    Fair point, but you're still framing it as a logical debate. If it were a logical debate then it'd be over already - Steve would have won.

    By continuing in this way, we are just flogging a dead horse.

    So what is the way forward?

    I think that there are three ways to combat this type of thinking.

    1. The most honest way - you understand their emotions, what is generating them, validate them but also explain calmly how they have misperceived the situation.

    SJW: I want to be a movie big shot.

    You: I understand that you have a lot to say, and that you feel that you could really help a lot of people if you had the platform; but in order to effectively communicate your thoughts you need a high level of skill. Why don't you work on your auteurship and, also, everyone can improve the quality of their inner voice - we must never stop developing it.

    2. The quickest way - you use game, or whatever you want to call a normal masculine close down.

    SJW: I want to be a movie big shot.

    You: 'thats cute' or 'sorry I wasn't listening' or 'I think you should probably direct all of the films, we could never have enough films about your navel.'

    3. The hardest way - which is what Haidt and Lukianoff did in the Atlantic. Essentially they therapised them.

    We could call these three techniques: mom, 'bad' boyfriend and psycho-therapist.

    Most people here seem to want to play dad, but that only works if there is mom there to translate.

    Our public discourse has plenty of logical dads and plenty of emotional little girls but very few supportive mums.
    , @Deduction
    I apologise. That was rude. It is hard to capture tone in text.

    To be honest, it is hard as an adult, especially as an adult man, to get it. I have to keep reminding myself.

    Compare the least socially adept teenage girls with the most socially adept teenage boys. Really compare them as equals. They are very similar.

    Often we don't notice this because we instinctively re-norm by sex. But teenage girls are great at emotional argument.
  37. @SFG
    I don't know, the organize-and-demand-inclusion strategy seems to work for most of the groups that have tried it. What would you have thought of a transgender rights movement 20 years ago?

    What would you have thought of a transgender rights movement 20 years ago?

    I thought that it was inevitable 40 years ago. Drag queens and butch dykes were already demanding it.

  38. @Harry Baldwin
    There's a lot a resentment among young female comedians that their male counterparts don't consider them very funny. Their reaction is to share their grievances among themselves, complain publicly, and demand more inclusion. Bizarre. The only meaningful way to respond to an accusation that you're not very funny is to be very funny. I suppose this rule has general application but for some reason it seems particularly obvious in this context.

    I suppose this rule has general application but for some reason it seems particularly obvious in this context.

    Yeah, it’s a lot easier to feign interest in female sports than in female comedy. You can pretend to laugh at one or two unfunny jokes, but imagine doing that for a whole hour. Even if you pulled off a whole hour once, how keen would you be to repeat that performance?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Exactly. It's one thing for a woman to complain that Hollywood won't give her $200 million to make a blockbuster movie, another to complain that the patriarchy won't accept the act that she's funny. Nothing is stopping her from getting on the stage on open-mike night and knocking them dead. Or she could do the Tig Nataro thing, getting on stage and telling long angst-ridden stories like how her stepfather was insensitive to her. It's not funny, but apparently there's an audience for it.
  39. @silviosilver

    I suppose this rule has general application but for some reason it seems particularly obvious in this context.
     
    Yeah, it's a lot easier to feign interest in female sports than in female comedy. You can pretend to laugh at one or two unfunny jokes, but imagine doing that for a whole hour. Even if you pulled off a whole hour once, how keen would you be to repeat that performance?

    Exactly. It’s one thing for a woman to complain that Hollywood won’t give her $200 million to make a blockbuster movie, another to complain that the patriarchy won’t accept the act that she’s funny. Nothing is stopping her from getting on the stage on open-mike night and knocking them dead. Or she could do the Tig Nataro thing, getting on stage and telling long angst-ridden stories like how her stepfather was insensitive to her. It’s not funny, but apparently there’s an audience for it.

  40. @Harry Baldwin
    @Harry Baldwin
    Another man who doesn’t get it.


    So, pushing the "agree" button on your comment still isn't enough for you?

    Fair point, but you’re still framing it as a logical debate. If it were a logical debate then it’d be over already – Steve would have won.

    By continuing in this way, we are just flogging a dead horse.

    So what is the way forward?

    I think that there are three ways to combat this type of thinking.

    1. The most honest way – you understand their emotions, what is generating them, validate them but also explain calmly how they have misperceived the situation.

    SJW: I want to be a movie big shot.

    You: I understand that you have a lot to say, and that you feel that you could really help a lot of people if you had the platform; but in order to effectively communicate your thoughts you need a high level of skill. Why don’t you work on your auteurship and, also, everyone can improve the quality of their inner voice – we must never stop developing it.

    2. The quickest way – you use game, or whatever you want to call a normal masculine close down.

    SJW: I want to be a movie big shot.

    You: ‘thats cute’ or ‘sorry I wasn’t listening’ or ‘I think you should probably direct all of the films, we could never have enough films about your navel.’

    3. The hardest way – which is what Haidt and Lukianoff did in the Atlantic. Essentially they therapised them.

    We could call these three techniques: mom, ‘bad’ boyfriend and psycho-therapist.

    Most people here seem to want to play dad, but that only works if there is mom there to translate.

    Our public discourse has plenty of logical dads and plenty of emotional little girls but very few supportive mums.

  41. @J1234
    I honestly don't think it's self-parody. I get the impression that the left (generally speaking) believes it invented parody, so (for some reason) it can't be used against them or they're immune from it...or something.

    I think this is an example of a careerist churning out product that will blindly be accepted by his customer base. That's what 98% of the people in the world do, whatever their perspective.

    The topic of bias towards filmmakers in Hollywood got me thinking about a movie I saw for the first time on youtube last night. It was "Bride of Frankenstein," and yes, it's about as good as everyone says it is. With two minutes of research, I found out that James Whale was openly gay. This was back in 1935, mind you, which makes Anderson's article seem all the more absurd.

    I think this is an example of a careerist churning out product that will blindly be accepted by his customer base. That’s what 98% of the people in the world do, whatever their perspective

    You’re right but it’s much easier to churn out stuff that emotionally resonates with yourself.

  42. @Harry Baldwin
    @Harry Baldwin
    Another man who doesn’t get it.


    So, pushing the "agree" button on your comment still isn't enough for you?

    I apologise. That was rude. It is hard to capture tone in text.

    To be honest, it is hard as an adult, especially as an adult man, to get it. I have to keep reminding myself.

    Compare the least socially adept teenage girls with the most socially adept teenage boys. Really compare them as equals. They are very similar.

    Often we don’t notice this because we instinctively re-norm by sex. But teenage girls are great at emotional argument.

  43. @Kylie
    Good analysis--right up to your hope that women explain to infantilized females the errors of their ways. We don't have any better luck doing that than you men do. Even to broach the subject automatically condemns us to being on your side.

    Good analysis–right up to your hope that women explain to infantilized females the errors of their ways. We don’t have any better luck doing that than you men do. Even to broach the subject automatically condemns us to being on your side

    That’s true of you as an individual.

    In Islamic State if a man tells another man not to hit his wife, the first man will probably get hit.

    If a bunch of men tell a man not to hit his wife, the wife beater will have to stop.

    Can a significant number of women be persuaded/reminded of their duty to talk down these infants?

    I think it starts with highlighting just how vulnerable men are to this type of discourse and how the sexes have reciprocal duties to one another in a healthy society.

  44. @Senator Brundlefly
    Jurassic World alternate version: Queen Indominus Rex is caged by the science of the patriarchy. One day, the clever girl breaks through the glass ceiling of her cage, escaping to the real world on a journey of self discovery where she learns to laugh, find romance, and (most importantly) love herself. Eat Prey, Love.

    Wasn’t there this Japanese-comic book inspired sea monsters vs robots film?

    These robots were — yuuuge! — and they needed a human operator of the mechanical legs and arms, but oh no, they could not be operated by one person because the sensory overload would drive that person insane. You needed two crew members to operate the robot, and to operate the robot so it would not trip over its own mechnical feet, the two pilots had to coordinate their commands by sharing their feelings or something?

    And then, take the Hunger Games . . . please!

    Now don’t get me started about all of those vampire movies, not to mention 40 Shades of Gray . . . Hey, won’t anyone around here get me started!

    You think your script about Queen Indominus Rex is original? These women-directed films are not about “feelings”, they are about every dude’s Big Sis who has since forever been telling you what you are supposed to do and think . . .

    • Replies: @Senator Brundlefly
    Well, I liked the Hurt Locker, directed by a woman. Saw an old screwball comedy called A New Leaf that I thought was ok that was directed by a woman. Winter's Bone was good. Then again, I'm probably grasping at straws. Not much on this list I've heard of or appeals to me: http://www.metacritic.com/feature/best-women-film-directors-and-movies

    Yet, to be fair, a lot of the mandatory Grrl Power action movies lately have been perpetuated by men like Joss Whedon who moaned that Bryce Dylan Howard's stuffy corporate executive character in Jurassic World was sexist. Seriously, they give her a role like Peter Ludlow in The Lost World (go-getter career man who is a fish out of water in the jungle and doesn't mind repeating the first movie's mistakes) with the character arc of Alan Grant in Jurassic Park (doesn't like kids but grows to love them after getting stuck protecting them from dinosaurs) and its sexist. I guess if all women in sci-fi action movies aren't Ellen Ripley clones people will throw a fit. If the original Terminator was made today people would complain that Kyle Reese protects Sarah Connor and not the other way around.

    And the Hunger Games. The last movie was pretty much what I would expect from dystopian sci-fi made palatable to teenage girls. How do you stop a tyrannical government? Put on makeup and broadcast Youtube videos. Don't lose sight of the big picture though, the real conflict is which hot guy will empowered female protagonist end up with?
  45. @Inquiring Mind
    Wasn't there this Japanese-comic book inspired sea monsters vs robots film?

    These robots were -- yuuuge! -- and they needed a human operator of the mechanical legs and arms, but oh no, they could not be operated by one person because the sensory overload would drive that person insane. You needed two crew members to operate the robot, and to operate the robot so it would not trip over its own mechnical feet, the two pilots had to coordinate their commands by sharing their feelings or something?

    And then, take the Hunger Games . . . please!

    Now don't get me started about all of those vampire movies, not to mention 40 Shades of Gray . . . Hey, won't anyone around here get me started!

    You think your script about Queen Indominus Rex is original? These women-directed films are not about "feelings", they are about every dude's Big Sis who has since forever been telling you what you are supposed to do and think . . .

    Well, I liked the Hurt Locker, directed by a woman. Saw an old screwball comedy called A New Leaf that I thought was ok that was directed by a woman. Winter’s Bone was good. Then again, I’m probably grasping at straws. Not much on this list I’ve heard of or appeals to me: http://www.metacritic.com/feature/best-women-film-directors-and-movies

    Yet, to be fair, a lot of the mandatory Grrl Power action movies lately have been perpetuated by men like Joss Whedon who moaned that Bryce Dylan Howard’s stuffy corporate executive character in Jurassic World was sexist. Seriously, they give her a role like Peter Ludlow in The Lost World (go-getter career man who is a fish out of water in the jungle and doesn’t mind repeating the first movie’s mistakes) with the character arc of Alan Grant in Jurassic Park (doesn’t like kids but grows to love them after getting stuck protecting them from dinosaurs) and its sexist. I guess if all women in sci-fi action movies aren’t Ellen Ripley clones people will throw a fit. If the original Terminator was made today people would complain that Kyle Reese protects Sarah Connor and not the other way around.

    And the Hunger Games. The last movie was pretty much what I would expect from dystopian sci-fi made palatable to teenage girls. How do you stop a tyrannical government? Put on makeup and broadcast Youtube videos. Don’t lose sight of the big picture though, the real conflict is which hot guy will empowered female protagonist end up with?

  46. Or, perhaps this would have been a more accurate alternate Jurassic World (this won a Hugo Award): http://www.apex-magazine.com/if-you-were-a-dinosaur-my-love/

  47. @SFG
    I don't know, the organize-and-demand-inclusion strategy seems to work for most of the groups that have tried it. What would you have thought of a transgender rights movement 20 years ago?

    Actually 20 years ago at gay conferences they where talking about Gay Marriage, destroying monogamous marriage, attacking churches tax exempt status, lowing the age of consent and making streets safer for teen sex workers. I attended a conference with a gay youth group and when I pointed out that I was an EMT & the streets will never be actually safe for cops or ambulance crew it caused lots of badfeelz.

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