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Wisconsin may be the state where European social democracy came closest to happening in America. As Alice Cooper helpfully points out in Wayne’s World, “Milwaukee is the only major American city to have ever elected three Socialist mayors.”

But Wisconsin is also where The Reasons Why We Can’t Have Nice Things are most obvious. Wisconsin’s 1970s attempt at McGovern Era social democracy foundered spectacularly on a huge increase in the number of black welfare spongers. Today, Wisconsin is saddled with the lowest scoring blacks in the country on the NAEP test. Liberal Dane County, site of the state government and the U. of Wisconsin at Madison, has the worst racial inequality in the country aggregating across a broad variety of measures

Last year, The New Republic argued that Wisconsin governor (and Presidential possibility) Scott Walker is saddled by “Unelectable Whiteness” due to … well … it’s a little hard for TNR to make clear exactly why, but that’s what I’m here for.

The Unelectable Whiteness of Scott Walker

A journey through the poisonous, racially divided world that produced a Republican star

By Alec MacGillis

June 15, 2014

… Among U.S. cities, Milwaukee has long been an outlier. In the late nineteenth century, it was the most foreign city in the country: By 1890, a mere 13 percent of its inhabitants were the children of American-born parents. For most of the period between 1910 and 1960, the city was governed by Socialist Party mayors.

Moynihan’s Law of Proximity to the Canadian Border long protected Wisconsin, allowing progressivism to flourish. Fighting Bob La Follette Sr., governor or senator from Wisconsin from 1901 to his death in 1925, won 17% of the vote in the 1924 Presidential election on the Independent Progressive ticket.

And, as the twentieth century wore on, Milwaukee stood apart for another reason: It remained remarkably and stubbornly white. The Great Migration that had brought some six million African Americans from the South between 1910 and 1930 and in a second wave around World War II transformed just about every major city in the North—except Milwaukee.

And Minneapolis-St. Paul, too.

Few migrants made it past the great sponge of Chicago, in part because there wasn’t a plentiful supply of jobs to entice them: Milwaukee’s labor market was then amply filled by European immigrants and workers from the declining timber and mining industries up north. By 1960, blacks made up nearly a quarter of Chicago’s population and nearly 30 percent of Detroit’s and Cleveland’s. In Milwaukee, they accounted for less than 10 percent of residents, the smallest proportion of African Americans in any of the 15 largest cities in the country.

It wasn’t until the ’60s that African Americans started to drift into Milwaukee in large numbers. For the next 20 years, the city offered safer streets and better schools than Chicago, and its industrial base was faring better than in many other urban areas.

I’ll get to the big reason, which TNR won’t touch, below.

By 1990, Milwaukee’s black population had shot up to 30 percent. Today, it stands near 40 percent, while Hispanics make up another 17 percent.

I can recall visiting Milwaukee in July 1991 (I can pinpoint the date because it was the week Jeffrey Dahmer was arrested in Milwaukee), and being struck that most of the work in Milwaukee seemed to be being done by Mexicans.

This delayed arrival would prove highly consequential. Not long after a substantial African American community took shape, Milwaukee’s industrial base began to collapse and its manufacturing jobs disappeared. This left almost no time for the city to develop a black middle class or a leadership elite.

No, it worked like this: before the increase in welfare payments in the 1960s and 1970s, northern cities attracted those Southern blacks who wanted to better themselves by getting factory jobs. But during the big liberalization of welfare in the 1960s-1970s, northern cities attracted those down South who heard it was easy to get welfare.

When I spent a weekend in Milwaukee doing touristy things in 1991, it was striking that a huge fraction of the low end service jobs, like selling hot dogs at the lakefront fairgrounds, were being done by Mexican immigrants rather than by the city’s huge black population.

Within short order, Milwaukee had some of the most glaring racial disparities in the country. Today, it has the second-highest black poverty rate in the United States, and the unemployment rate is nearly four times higher for blacks than for whites. The city had never been exactly welcoming to African Americans—its tight-knit enclaves of Germans, Jews, and Poles had fiercely resisted housing and school integration. But the decline of the black ghetto so soon after many of its residents had arrived made it easier for white Milwaukeeans to write off the entire African American community, or to blame it for the city’s troubles. White flight, like the Great Migration, came late to Milwaukee, but it came fast and fueled with resentment. Between 1960 and 2010, the population of the three formerly rural counties around Milwaukee County (Waukesha, Ozaukee, and Washington, or the “WOW” counties, for short) nearly tripled, to 608,000.

Nah, it was Wisconsin’s generous welfare program, which assumed a German Protestant work ethic was a human universal, that proved so alluring to the laziest people of Mississippi, and encouraged their daughters to subsequently have babies young to get on the dole themselves. Here’s a graph of AFDC from Thomas Corbett’s paper:

Screenshot 2015-02-27 01.14.16

The AFDC maximum for a family of three is a good proxy for the question of how overall cynical a state was toward welfare queens. In 1970, the AFDC maximum for a family of three in Wisconsin was still a modest $184 per month. Granted, that was more than triple what it was in Mississippi straight down the Illinois Central railroad line, but it was less generous than in Illinois or in Minnesota.

By 1980, however, AFDC was $444 in Wisconsin versus only $288 in more expensive Illinois. Illinois’ heavily Irish political class had grown cynical about new arrivals from Mississippi, but Wisconsin’s fairly German electorate had longer maintained its faith in humanity. Minnesota, with its similarly naive Scandinavian electorate, offered almost as much as Wisconsin, but Minnesota is colder and more remote, so Wisconsin was the preferred destination.

If you’ve been paying close attention, you’ll know Milwaukee has been notorious for having the worst welfare problem in America for a long time. For example, Jason DeParle’s well-known 2005 book American Dream about the 1990s welfare reform is set in Milwaukee. Here’s Harvard sociologist Christopher Jencks’ review in the New York Review of Books.

If you read between the lines, the TNR article is saying that the national media will eventually be able to nail somebody in Scott Walker’s entourage for saying something insensitive about blacks because … uh … well … okay, to be frank, if you knew how much better Milwaukee was before all these people from Mississippi showed up with their hands out, you’d be insensitive, too.

 
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  1. http://www.salon.com/2011/03/29/most_segregated_cities/slide_show/10

    Similarly, Salon blames Milwaukee’s hypersegregation on Scott Walker.

    Jason DeParle of The New York Times said essentially the same thing that Steve is saying in his investigative book on the consequences of welfare reform. Self-described socialist and esteemed academic sociologist Christopher Jencks reviewed the book in the NYRB and essentially agreed with DeParle. (Alas, no apologies to Charles Murray were forthcoming.) How frustrating that liberals have had these high-profile come-to-Jesus moments, which are now utterly forgotten because the Internet and its innumerable brigades of angry tweeters have managed to prop up the fainting body of the 1970s racial orthodoxy.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist

    (Alas, no apologies to Charles Murray were forthcoming.) How frustrating that liberals have had these high-profile come-to-Jesus moments,
     
    As I think Steve would attest. There was a brief period between 1985 and 1995 when The Washington Monthly most significantly, and to a lesser extent, yes, even TNR and The Atlantic, in part because so many contributors like Mickey Kaus started their careers under the tutelage of Charles Peters then editor/publisher of the TWM, questioned "Paleo-Liberal" orthodoxy on welfare payment effects on the underclass.

    The Washington Monthly even featured articles by Charles Murray. You could find reviews and debates in TWM and TNR involving the insights of Charles Murroy and James Q. Wilson that took them seriously and were far from the point and sputter condemnations of today.

    To me it all changed with TNR's publishing excerpts of The Bell Curve in the mid nineties. There was a huge liberal backlash against both TWM and TNR. The TWM fell on financial hard times and was taken over in time by the odious Paul Glastris a front man for a collection of "Donors" led by George Soros.

    Without the TWM of the 1980s there was no longer a safe place for young journalists fresh from J-School and the Ivy League to emerge from years of leftist brainwashing. Likewise TNR and the The Atlantic were no long kept alive with experienced talent that showed some skepticism of leftwing orthodoxy.

    Today, TWM, TNR, The Atlantic, and of course Slate and Salon are all drowning in a whirlpool of leftist nutsy kookoo poopiness.

    , @Gato de la Biblioteca
    Wow, I thought you were kidding that they would pin in on Walker, but damned if they don't do it. Because of public transit policies, no less! So that's a two-fer for Salon, Walker is against 'the blacks' and public transportation. Scott Walker must be a Sith Lord to be that powerful as a local pol no one had ever heard of. Darth Whitey for God-Emperor!
  2. One might reasonably assume that the media are afraid that Walker can beat Clinton, and also that Journo-list continues to function as a means for “progressive” journalists to coordinate their attacks.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    Correct, and then throw in the fact the media needs blood in the water as it anoints a new front runner only to tear them down and allow a new target to emerge in order to keep people's interest in the charade.

    Walker is one of the least worst choices, so his roasting over the spit will be endure longer and harder than the others. Here's to hoping he can survive - he seems to have the mental makeup to get through it.

    He'd be the toughest out if he was staunchly anti-amnesty, but I reckon he has to balance his populist leanings w/ also being the Koch guy.
    , @Clyde

    One might reasonably assume that the media are afraid that Walker can beat Clinton, and also that Journo-list continues to function as a means for “progressive” journalists to coordinate their attacks.
     
    Hillary has never done anything.
    Scott Walker has done many positive things in Wisconsin that are also applicable nationwide.

    Hillary blew Benghazi, we know how this crazy ol hag will operate under pressure. And prior to the battle at Benghazi Hillary and her State Dept turned down the ambassador's repeated requests for US military security. Instead the idiots at State hired some locals to provide security and these locals informed the Jihadi attack forces that killed four Americans including the ambassador
  3. 2016-wise, it seems the gloves have come off pretty early.

  4. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Alas, ‘gentle, leftwinger-dom’, the last and greatest redoubt of Nordic man, after he threw down his warrior phase and discovered the joy of civilization and eu-sociability is simply unattainable in the modern USA.
    So wave goodbye to soft, gentle, soothing voices (on the men), long, wise beards, melodic strumming on the guitar, yoghurt, sandals and kaftans.
    And in with the Republican Party devil- take -the- hindmost phallocracy, Randissm, Reagan, short brutal 1950s haircuts with horn rimmed glasses, Dickensian inequality and a good old-fashioned Texan f-you.
    Oh, and some typically nasty raucous music to give with it.

    • Replies: @BurplesonAFB
    If we don't have our hard men standing ready at the walls to turn away the barbarians, we must all be hard men- defending our persons and property in our own communities.

    It really is much more civilized the other way, but it's becoming too late for that now.
  5. Mexicans do all the work in Chicago too.

  6. Another anti-immigration slogan:

    Demographic Stewardship

  7. @Tom-in-VA
    One might reasonably assume that the media are afraid that Walker can beat Clinton, and also that Journo-list continues to function as a means for "progressive" journalists to coordinate their attacks.

    Correct, and then throw in the fact the media needs blood in the water as it anoints a new front runner only to tear them down and allow a new target to emerge in order to keep people’s interest in the charade.

    Walker is one of the least worst choices, so his roasting over the spit will be endure longer and harder than the others. Here’s to hoping he can survive – he seems to have the mental makeup to get through it.

    He’d be the toughest out if he was staunchly anti-amnesty, but I reckon he has to balance his populist leanings w/ also being the Koch guy.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    "He’d be the toughest out if he was staunchly anti-amnesty, but I reckon he has to balance his populist leanings w/ also being the Koch guy."

    Uhhh Scott Walker has populist leanings? What are those exactly? Because I've kind of missed them if he does have any.

    Actually I'd say Scott Walker is the poster boy for the correlation of increased Republican Party membership and ticket voting with increased black population.

    If they (all these relatively recent dysfunctional black areas in Milwaukee and Madison) didn't exist, he wouldn't. Well he would "exist," but he wouldn't be governor.

    And the gist of it is also true for Paul Ryan; that guy doesn't have a populist bone in his body either.

    Both of them are hand puppets for the Club for Growth crowd and the Koch brothers. An opportunity arose, some financing was directed, and a couple grafts were put on the Wisconsin body politic. What they grow into is anyone's guess, but I don't think they are going to be considered attractive outside Wisconsin, not even in other Midwestern states that are kind of similar.

    Jeff Sessions is absolutely the only Republican I would support with unbridled joy.

    , @anonymous-antimarxist

    He’d be the toughest out if he was staunchly anti-amnesty, but I reckon he has to balance his populist leanings w/ also being the Koch guy.
     
    see https://www.google.com/search?q=livestock+cafo+koch+brothers

    During 1990-2000, in large part because of the dairy industry, the Farm Bureau and Big Agriculture , Wisconsin's state legislature and congressional delegation got taken over by pro Open Borders business interests, a most notorious example being Paul Ryan.

    Starting In the 1990's massive corporate dairy/CAFO operations put family dairy farms out of business by combining huge milking assembly lines with mostly cheap illegal labor.

    Since then there has been massive populist backlash against the Farm Bureau and Big Agriculture for environmental reasons, the CAFOs, the horrible working conditions and the illegal labor they require.

    Now fortunately robotics are now making it possible for family sized dairy and livestock operation to compete with the mega farms reducing the need for cheap labor.

    Paul Ryan is still a big stinker in DC, but I have heard him on the radio locally here in the Midwest running away from his open borders past. Even Ryan does seem to understand the days the "Kochtopus" buying up entire states are waning.

    Maybe there is hope for Walker?

    , @Big Bill
    Don't be distracted by his patter. Keep your eyes on his hands.

    Walker is opening Mexican consulates in Wisconsin to better serve the Mexican illegal population.

    He is a bleeding heart liberal. He will do absolutely nothing about illegal immigration.
  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It continues to astound me that AM radio is at the same time so influential and archaic. I only hope that it’s because demographic on the right is older and therefore dwindling.

    some see a guy in a suit, and that’s supposed to mean something…when I see a picture of Walker I see an Indiana Klansman with a tighty white tee shirt, cigs rolled up in the sleeve, carrying an ax handle.

    Mitt Romney also seemed laughably too white to me. – This is a new America in which Univision, the Spanish language network, is America’s top broadcast network, now beating CBS among some important demographic groups.
    As a bar owner in a largely African American and Hispanic community, my customers like me because I promote R&B and Hip Hop music events, and seem very accepted as a very soulful White guy.

    • Replies: @unit472
    There is a vast underclass if that is what you mean by a 'new America' but it is running headlong into a fiscal brickwall. Government spending cannot continue to grow faster than the economy or you hit that brickwall. Today the US spends $414 billion per year paying the interest on the national debt. That is with interest rates on a ten year treasury bond under 2%. Interest rates rise to the historical norm of 4-5% and Congress would have to find another $400-$600 billion a year to pay the interest. That would require a cut in Federal spending of about 15% and raising taxes doesn't work because federal government revenues peak out at about 25% of GDP.

    Your underclass friends will not have money to sit at your bar when government spending goes into reverse.

    , @Marty
    "As a bar owner in a largely African American and Hispanic community, my customers like me because I promote R&B and Hip Hop music events, and seem very accepted as a very soulful White guy."

    Sir, you are both illiterate (perhaps standard for bar owners) and self-deluding.

    Whites were the leading promoters and consumers of black music (and basketball) long before you came along. The fact that Motown recordings were 90% purchased by whites , and NBA tickets bought 90% by whites, never prevented blacks from hating whites and doing violence against them, and you can be sure that your black customers hate you too. They don't think you have soul, they just enjoy being pandered to. By contrast, you have never observed any white treating any black less than courteously, let alone with gratuitous violence. Yet you I voke the KKK simply because a man believes, in racially neutral terms, that public pensions are too rich. Shame on you, you have no integrity.

    , @ben tillman

    Mitt Romney also seemed laughably too white to me. – This is a new America in which Univision, the Spanish language network, is America’s top broadcast network, now beating CBS among some important demographic groups.
     
    Romney is Hispanic; he's a Mexican-American.
    , @e
    "I promote R&B and Hip Hop music events, and seem very accepted as a very soulful White guy."

    I'm not so sure I believe you own a bar, but what I do know, whether you do or don't, is that there is nothing sadder than a grown man thinking "soulful" or "cool" is important to his manhood or his humanity.

    You sound 17 or very uneducated 26.

    , @dcite
    I think this is supposed to be funny. I mean -- claiming he's a "soulful" white guy with a bar, being pat on the back by blacks (not stabbed? well, that's progress) and hispanics (do they really bar together that much) is pretty hilarious. Maybe he's a Tim Wise fantasy, with the laughable white eagerness to be replaced by those non-laughable groups (what planet is our bar-owner on?) who have proven to make everyplace they touch a better place.
  9. Wisconsin native here.

    The story of the collapse in manufacturing in the upper Midwest really has yet to be told.

    I come from a town of about 40,000 in out-state (i.e. non-Milwaukee) Wisconsin. Not too long ago, my town was one of the paper mill towns that supplied paper for the entire world for about a century.

    Those jobs are gone, we’ve had an influx of immigrants of all stripes, and the population has remained about the same.

    I would love to see some statistics on towns like the one I grew up in on the number of FT private sector, family-supporting jobs as a percent of the population today versus just 30 years ago.

    Even just 30 years ago, the population was almost entirely white, very low unemployment, and abundant factory or mill, family-supporting jobs.

    Now, the population is 1/3 minorities, the vast percent of those factory jobs are gone, and people off the dole have either stopped having kids because they can’t afford them or have left.

    Lather, rinse and repeat for thousands of towns in the Midwest.

  10. I have lived in several American cities, Milwaukee included. My impression is that the analysis above is correct – much of the region has that Protestant work ethic and you see it everywhere. However, the black population is a sharp contrast and after 4 years living there and looking back on my interactions with black residents of the other cities I’ve lived in, as a group they are just not a very intelligent or motivated bunch (although my former neighbors in DC are a close second).

    that is not the case in every place I have lived, but it is true there and the result was also a level of open racism that I was shocked to find in a Northern city. Add in the fact that most of the black politicians are flat out racists as well and you have a pretty toxic social environment.

  11. @timothy
    http://www.salon.com/2011/03/29/most_segregated_cities/slide_show/10

    Similarly, Salon blames Milwaukee's hypersegregation on Scott Walker.

    Jason DeParle of The New York Times said essentially the same thing that Steve is saying in his investigative book on the consequences of welfare reform. Self-described socialist and esteemed academic sociologist Christopher Jencks reviewed the book in the NYRB and essentially agreed with DeParle. (Alas, no apologies to Charles Murray were forthcoming.) How frustrating that liberals have had these high-profile come-to-Jesus moments, which are now utterly forgotten because the Internet and its innumerable brigades of angry tweeters have managed to prop up the fainting body of the 1970s racial orthodoxy.

    (Alas, no apologies to Charles Murray were forthcoming.) How frustrating that liberals have had these high-profile come-to-Jesus moments,

    As I think Steve would attest. There was a brief period between 1985 and 1995 when The Washington Monthly most significantly, and to a lesser extent, yes, even TNR and The Atlantic, in part because so many contributors like Mickey Kaus started their careers under the tutelage of Charles Peters then editor/publisher of the TWM, questioned “Paleo-Liberal” orthodoxy on welfare payment effects on the underclass.

    The Washington Monthly even featured articles by Charles Murray. You could find reviews and debates in TWM and TNR involving the insights of Charles Murroy and James Q. Wilson that took them seriously and were far from the point and sputter condemnations of today.

    To me it all changed with TNR’s publishing excerpts of The Bell Curve in the mid nineties. There was a huge liberal backlash against both TWM and TNR. The TWM fell on financial hard times and was taken over in time by the odious Paul Glastris a front man for a collection of “Donors” led by George Soros.

    Without the TWM of the 1980s there was no longer a safe place for young journalists fresh from J-School and the Ivy League to emerge from years of leftist brainwashing. Likewise TNR and the The Atlantic were no long kept alive with experienced talent that showed some skepticism of leftwing orthodoxy.

    Today, TWM, TNR, The Atlantic, and of course Slate and Salon are all drowning in a whirlpool of leftist nutsy kookoo poopiness.

  12. The beauty of Wisconsin is that there are two test cases for trying to explain who should be blamed for the unbearable awfulness of being black: Milwaukee and Madison. It’s much like (in a bizarro sense) answering indictments of Whites’ racism by saying–Asians in the US seem to be doing okay. It’s the ultimate White trump card. Asian ultra success.

    Fine, Walker has a lot to answer for blacks’ misery in Milwaukee, but what the hell is going on with blacks in Madison, who’ve come in huge numbers from the worst of Rockford and Chicago in the last two decades, not after WW2, but in recent memory.

    If blacks can’t make it in there (Madison, WI), they can’t make it anywhere.

  13. “Here’s Harvard sociologist Christopher Jencks’ review in the New York Review of Books.”

    The first two paragraphs are a laughable tissue of lies; Jencks channeling some 1930s editor of the Great Soviet Encyclopedia. Contrary to Jenck’s claims the welfare reforms of the 1990s were entirely the result of a Republican initiative. Clinton fought the original reforms tooth and nail until he realized that it was a lost cause. Then to placate his party Clinton connived some unfortunate modifications to the original Republican reforms that considerably diluted their positive impact and gave his party a wedge for gradually repealing them. Since then the dimocrats have striven tirelessly to restore the status quo ante. Under BO’s regime they’ve had considerable success.

    I’ve noticed a tendency among “progressives” over the last decade or two: As the success of temporary welfare reform became apparent, as dire “progressive” predictions about the effects of this reform were proven false, and as public approval of the reform soared, the MSM and other “progressive” outlets took to claiming the reform as Bill Clinton’s work. The lie is so outrageous that it defies belief it would succeed. But in at least some circles it has.

  14. If you read between the lines, the TNR article is saying that the national media will eventually be able to nail somebody in Scott Walker’s entourage for saying something insensitive about blacks because … uh … well … okay, to be frank, if you knew how much better Milwaukee was before all these people from Mississippi showed up with their hands out, you’d be insensitive, too.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_Communications

    On July 30, 2014, it was announced that Journal would be acquired by the E. W. Scripps Company in an all-stock transaction that would form a company that would then split in two. Scripps would retain the two firms’ broadcasting properties, while they would spin off their print properties into Journal Media Group.[8] The FCC approved the deal on December 12, 2014.[9]

    For right now the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel is one of the few papers in the mid-west not under the control of Gannett or Warren Buffet. Bershire-Hathaway controls Lee Enterprises, hence the horrible leftist coverage of the Michael Brown shooting by the St Louis Post-Dispatch.

    Not sure how left wing the Journal-Sentinel is or what the new ownership will bring. Even then local ownership/control discourages pooping in one’s own nest. Out of state ownership especially by billionaires with largely non media interests tends to encourage political manipulations. Warren Buffet seems to enjoy his role as Democratic big wheel and media puppetmaster.

    In other words the NYT(& Carlos Slim) may have to send out their own hit squad to goyim land to take down Gov. Walker.

    • Replies: @Ben H
    The Journal-Sentinel is a liberal paper like any other and has been anti-Walker forever. Milwaukee has a liberal media except that there is an unusual number of conservative talk show hosts who focus on local issues.
  15. @DCThrowback
    Correct, and then throw in the fact the media needs blood in the water as it anoints a new front runner only to tear them down and allow a new target to emerge in order to keep people's interest in the charade.

    Walker is one of the least worst choices, so his roasting over the spit will be endure longer and harder than the others. Here's to hoping he can survive - he seems to have the mental makeup to get through it.

    He'd be the toughest out if he was staunchly anti-amnesty, but I reckon he has to balance his populist leanings w/ also being the Koch guy.

    “He’d be the toughest out if he was staunchly anti-amnesty, but I reckon he has to balance his populist leanings w/ also being the Koch guy.

    Uhhh Scott Walker has populist leanings? What are those exactly? Because I’ve kind of missed them if he does have any.

    Actually I’d say Scott Walker is the poster boy for the correlation of increased Republican Party membership and ticket voting with increased black population.

    If they (all these relatively recent dysfunctional black areas in Milwaukee and Madison) didn’t exist, he wouldn’t. Well he would “exist,” but he wouldn’t be governor.

    And the gist of it is also true for Paul Ryan; that guy doesn’t have a populist bone in his body either.

    Both of them are hand puppets for the Club for Growth crowd and the Koch brothers. An opportunity arose, some financing was directed, and a couple grafts were put on the Wisconsin body politic. What they grow into is anyone’s guess, but I don’t think they are going to be considered attractive outside Wisconsin, not even in other Midwestern states that are kind of similar.

    Jeff Sessions is absolutely the only Republican I would support with unbridled joy.

  16. Just another Invade the World, Invite the World, in hock to the World type. Nothing to get excited about.

    Plus:

    Q. Why are there so many Packers fans in Minnesota?

    A. Because there weren’t any good jobs in Wisconsin!

  17. I’m five paragraphs into Jenck’s review essay and he keeps piling lie upon lie. Contrary to Jencks, the program called AFDC did not come into existence until the 1950s. Originally, as part of Social Security, widows with children were provided a supplementary welfare payment to help support them and their orphans. Not until the 1950s were these payments extended to unwed mothers and their offspring — I’d prefer more earthy and less PC language but defer so as to not go off-topic. It was just at this point as Murray demonstrates so well in “Losing Ground” that illegitimacy rates began their soar – first among blacks, later among whites and other race-ethnicities – and the average economic circumstances of the USA’s blacks began their precipitous decline.

  18. Back in those days you probably had Chicago welfare and social workers actually ADVISING blacks to move north where the gettin’ was good and easier.

    A few years back there was a huge scandal in Newark where welfare office staffers had actually created and PRINTED makeshift flyers about places like Scranton, Allentown and Wilkes-Barre and were handing them out to their worst cases and/or posting them on the walls of their own welfare office. The flyers extolled the virtues of these “pristine” Pennsylvania cities for their lower crime, better government benefits, lower rent, more space, etc.

    Needless to say, a flood of hoodrats followed and crime spiked in these PA cities. The mayor of Wilkes-Barre had to threaten to sue to make Newark stop sending them their dregs.

  19. As Steve noted it was traditional in the 80’s and 90’s for folks from Chicagoland to go behind the “Cheddar Curtain” to visit Milwaukee’s lakefront to party. In recent years Summerfest, the State Fair and other events have gotten a bit dicey for “diverse reasons”.

    http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2011/08/milwaukees-massive-mahogany-mob-melee.html

    This article from the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports in chilling details on what happened last night:

    Gov. Scott Walker has ordered the Wisconsin State Patrol to provide additional law enforcement help at the Wisconsin State Fair after several incidents involving rampaging youths broke out on the fairgrounds and on the streets outside Thursday night.

    Cullen Werwie, Walker’s spokesman, said the governor made the decision after reviewing the events from Thursday night, in which at least 24 people were arrested……

    Just 25 miles south of Milwaukee, Racine, Wisconsin invested heavily in the late eighties to build out its own lakefront adding hundreds of boat docks, breakwaters, piers and other amenities. A college buddy who worked for Johnson Wax use to live there and we would organise bike rides along Lake Michigan. Since then diversity has not been kind to Racine. It has been losing population. Last time I visited in 2004 the decline was stark.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racine,_Wisconsin#Demographics

  20. Just in case any of you are tempted by the media hoopla and circus:

    Scott Walker was one of a foursome that went to Vegas to kiss Sheldon Adelson’s ring last summer. The others were Jeb Bush, Chris Christie and John Kasich. Meaning open borders no borders all the way.

    How can someone sell themselves as the anti-Jeb when they have same immigration agenda as Jeb?

    Just because I’m okay with someone as a state governor doesn’t mean they should be President. Besides, Walker’s accomplishments as Governor are mainly provincial affairs, and don’t scale well up to national politics.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    Don't forget the other mandatory pilgrimage for Republican candidates so they are properly vetted by the TPTB.

    By David Sherfinski - The Washington Times - Tuesday, January 20, 2015

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker said this week that he’ll probably travel to Israel in the near future — a trip that’s become almost a required pilgrimage for presidential candidates, particularly Republicans.

    “I haven’t got a date yet, but I’ve had multiple requests to go, so we’ll probably try to find a way,” Mr. Walker told reporters in Wisconsin, the Journal Sentinel reported. “Previously, in the last four years the consul general’s office from Israel asked me a number of times to come and talk about water technology, other trade missions, so we’ll probably try to figure out some way to do that.”
     
    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/20/scott-walker-hints-trip-israel/#ixzz3SxjPviAY
    Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    That is my thought as well. I'm glad he's kicking the public unions' butts, but he will be in way, way over his head across the table from Putin, Salman al Saud, Xi Jinping, or anybody else you care to name.

    Not that anybody else on tap is better. It's striking to me how much the cognitive elite are withdrawing from public life. When they start hiring on directly with the financial elite, and when the financial elite start paying mercenaries instead of athletes, then we'll know things are about to change.

    With respect to the current President, I've commented before that Obama fancies himself a cosmopolitan citizen of the world but in reality he's an awkward provincial who's insecure about his intellect. Even goofy GWB had presence as a plenipotentiary.

    Call me a snob, but I prefer "for the people," not "of the people." That's also an objection I have against Jeb and his extremely under-bought wife. Jeb clearly has some issues, like his soulmate Wilhelm de Blasio.

    , @Dutch Boy
    Amen. Kissing Adelson's ass, er, ring while simultaneously making an enemy of Wisconsin's unionized whites will sink him regardless of his skin shade.
    , @Lot
    Is anyone beside Ted Cruz completely trustworthy on the issue?

    Walker and Bush will tear each other up over the next year.
  21. I’m 77. When I was 7, my two little cousins and I would take the streetcar downtown Milwaukee by ourselves.

    • Replies: @Polymath
    My mother, now 74, used to take the bus from Fairlington, VA to DC by herself at 7, to do the family shopping.
  22. Walker as president? The guy doesn’t even have a college degree. The last man to do that was Coolidge and before that Grover Cleveland. It won’t fly in our phony credential obsessed present era.

    • Replies: @Flip
    Coolidge graduated from Amherst. Truman did not graduate from college.
    , @Hibernian
    Truman went to law school but didn't finish. Coolidge graduated from Amherst; he passed the bar without going to law school. Walker has about 90% of the credits for a baccalaureate, from Marquette, a Jesuit school.
  23. It’s the same problem that Europe is having with Greece – expecting German Protestant work ethic and honesty from people who are not German Protestants, who in fact have a completely different history where sticking it to the Man is not only not discouraged by the culture, but praiseworthy.

    Americans in general assume that everyone thinks like “us”, so when they meet someone who does NOT think like us (Putin, the Taliban, the N. Koreans, the N. Vietnamese, etc.) they are shocked and confused and dismayed.

  24. @DCThrowback
    Correct, and then throw in the fact the media needs blood in the water as it anoints a new front runner only to tear them down and allow a new target to emerge in order to keep people's interest in the charade.

    Walker is one of the least worst choices, so his roasting over the spit will be endure longer and harder than the others. Here's to hoping he can survive - he seems to have the mental makeup to get through it.

    He'd be the toughest out if he was staunchly anti-amnesty, but I reckon he has to balance his populist leanings w/ also being the Koch guy.

    He’d be the toughest out if he was staunchly anti-amnesty, but I reckon he has to balance his populist leanings w/ also being the Koch guy.

    see https://www.google.com/search?q=livestock+cafo+koch+brothers

    During 1990-2000, in large part because of the dairy industry, the Farm Bureau and Big Agriculture , Wisconsin’s state legislature and congressional delegation got taken over by pro Open Borders business interests, a most notorious example being Paul Ryan.

    Starting In the 1990’s massive corporate dairy/CAFO operations put family dairy farms out of business by combining huge milking assembly lines with mostly cheap illegal labor.

    Since then there has been massive populist backlash against the Farm Bureau and Big Agriculture for environmental reasons, the CAFOs, the horrible working conditions and the illegal labor they require.

    Now fortunately robotics are now making it possible for family sized dairy and livestock operation to compete with the mega farms reducing the need for cheap labor.

    Paul Ryan is still a big stinker in DC, but I have heard him on the radio locally here in the Midwest running away from his open borders past. Even Ryan does seem to understand the days the “Kochtopus” buying up entire states are waning.

    Maybe there is hope for Walker?

  25. @timothy
    http://www.salon.com/2011/03/29/most_segregated_cities/slide_show/10

    Similarly, Salon blames Milwaukee's hypersegregation on Scott Walker.

    Jason DeParle of The New York Times said essentially the same thing that Steve is saying in his investigative book on the consequences of welfare reform. Self-described socialist and esteemed academic sociologist Christopher Jencks reviewed the book in the NYRB and essentially agreed with DeParle. (Alas, no apologies to Charles Murray were forthcoming.) How frustrating that liberals have had these high-profile come-to-Jesus moments, which are now utterly forgotten because the Internet and its innumerable brigades of angry tweeters have managed to prop up the fainting body of the 1970s racial orthodoxy.

    Wow, I thought you were kidding that they would pin in on Walker, but damned if they don’t do it. Because of public transit policies, no less! So that’s a two-fer for Salon, Walker is against ‘the blacks’ and public transportation. Scott Walker must be a Sith Lord to be that powerful as a local pol no one had ever heard of. Darth Whitey for God-Emperor!

  26. OT, but I think Charlotte Allen should have given you some credit for her latest piece…she’s posted in the comments here before, and this reads like a compilation of isteve posts.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/transgender-triumph_859614.html?nopager=1

  27. @countenance
    Just in case any of you are tempted by the media hoopla and circus:

    Scott Walker was one of a foursome that went to Vegas to kiss Sheldon Adelson's ring last summer. The others were Jeb Bush, Chris Christie and John Kasich. Meaning open borders no borders all the way.

    How can someone sell themselves as the anti-Jeb when they have same immigration agenda as Jeb?

    Just because I'm okay with someone as a state governor doesn't mean they should be President. Besides, Walker's accomplishments as Governor are mainly provincial affairs, and don't scale well up to national politics.

    Don’t forget the other mandatory pilgrimage for Republican candidates so they are properly vetted by the TPTB.

    By David Sherfinski – The Washington Times – Tuesday, January 20, 2015

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker said this week that he’ll probably travel to Israel in the near future — a trip that’s become almost a required pilgrimage for presidential candidates, particularly Republicans.

    “I haven’t got a date yet, but I’ve had multiple requests to go, so we’ll probably try to find a way,” Mr. Walker told reporters in Wisconsin, the Journal Sentinel reported. “Previously, in the last four years the consul general’s office from Israel asked me a number of times to come and talk about water technology, other trade missions, so we’ll probably try to figure out some way to do that.”

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/20/scott-walker-hints-trip-israel/#ixzz3SxjPviAY
    Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Don’t forget the other mandatory pilgrimage for Republican candidates so they are properly vetted by the TPTB.

     

    Any candidate who goes to Israel on a true listening tour-- "Bibi, tell me about your wall. How you deal with the infiltrators, etc. "-- will not only get my vote, he might get my check as well. For what it's worth.
  28. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I live in Wisconsin and I have not voted for Walker, but I have been surprised by how taken aback the liberals are by how much support Walker has received in the state. Clearly, if they were readers of iSteve, they would have a clue about where his support is coming from, and how angry the taxpayers are about supporting a large number of people who are also responsible for most of the crimes in the state. But this anger is always depicted as racism when it does make it into the mainstream and left-wing media, and so the left dismisses it out of hand and thereby underestimates it as a political force.

    On the other hand, Walker has been a one-trick pony when it comes to governing the state – all he knows how to do is cut – cut the budget and cut taxes. Even the Walker voters I have spoken with admit that he has not done very much to improve the business climate in the state, in fact it is probably fair to say that his cuts have made the economy in Wisconsin worse. His amiability goes hand in hand with a lack of imagination and the absence of any vision for the future. But the politics of punishment has a strong appeal when substantive issues cannot be discussed for fear of giving offense.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    If the Democrats have become the coalition of everyone who is not a white male or a married white female, how are Republicans going to win with the demographically shrinking white vote, many who are working class and union members or sympathetic to unions?

    What is Right-to-Work in Wisconsin all about? Yes, unions are socialism and the handmaidens of the Democrats and everything that you are not. But Governor Romney's remark about wanting the free market to operate in a GM bankruptcy contributed to a lot of working class voters staying home in Ohio, no? What is Right-to-Work going to do for Mr. Walker?

    What does the combination of Open Borders and Right-to-Work have to offer but more downward pressure on wage earners? Politics of punishment, but punishing whom?
  29. Really an excellent post, for those who missed Jason De Parle. Always something of a mystery to me how Milwaukee transformed itself so quickly from a city with a cool clean image-(-“The Beer that Made Milwaukee Famous” was a jingle on the Yankee games of my youth) t0 somewhere no one wants to talk about very much. And of course I was aware of the big south north migrations, to Chicago, Detroit and whatnot. Really excellent work. As Steve knows, I’m not a person who tries to be ignorant on these issues.

    As for , open borders is about #10 on issues Sheldon cares about, and 1-9 don’t have anything to do with America. But yeah, a bad sign Walker signed on with him.

  30. How frustrating that liberals have had these high-profile come-to-Jesus moments, which are now utterly forgotten because the Internet and its innumerable brigades of angry tweeters have managed to prop up the fainting body of the 1970s racial orthodoxy.

    If memory serves correctly, it was the Clintonfather himself who raised that zombified corpse to give him the muscle to beat the Lewinsky rap.

    The principal political tragedy of my lifetime.

  31. “Just because I’m okay with someone as a state governor doesn’t mean they should be President. Besides, Walker’s accomplishments as Governor are mainly provincial affairs, and don’t scale well up to national politics.”

    With Walker you’re finally beginning to see someone with the balls/common sense not to get defensive in the face of the journolist bullshit cannon. Better will come, but its just a relief to have someone without the deer in the headlights and/or inclination to play along for a change.

    Returning good faith for obvious, intentionally bad faith does no more than make one look hapless.

  32. IIRC, when Gov. Tommy Thompson overhauled the easy handouts in WI, many blacks headed for CA.

  33. @countenance
    Just in case any of you are tempted by the media hoopla and circus:

    Scott Walker was one of a foursome that went to Vegas to kiss Sheldon Adelson's ring last summer. The others were Jeb Bush, Chris Christie and John Kasich. Meaning open borders no borders all the way.

    How can someone sell themselves as the anti-Jeb when they have same immigration agenda as Jeb?

    Just because I'm okay with someone as a state governor doesn't mean they should be President. Besides, Walker's accomplishments as Governor are mainly provincial affairs, and don't scale well up to national politics.

    That is my thought as well. I’m glad he’s kicking the public unions’ butts, but he will be in way, way over his head across the table from Putin, Salman al Saud, Xi Jinping, or anybody else you care to name.

    Not that anybody else on tap is better. It’s striking to me how much the cognitive elite are withdrawing from public life. When they start hiring on directly with the financial elite, and when the financial elite start paying mercenaries instead of athletes, then we’ll know things are about to change.

    With respect to the current President, I’ve commented before that Obama fancies himself a cosmopolitan citizen of the world but in reality he’s an awkward provincial who’s insecure about his intellect. Even goofy GWB had presence as a plenipotentiary.

    Call me a snob, but I prefer “for the people,” not “of the people.” That’s also an objection I have against Jeb and his extremely under-bought wife. Jeb clearly has some issues, like his soulmate Wilhelm de Blasio.

  34. Fantastic post. I’m glad Steve has noticed that TNR produces almost daily content ripe for him to mock and blog.

    Also, how does Sailer have that Corbett paper at his fingertips? He’s the greatest blogger in the world.

    Meanwhile, as for Walker, the base needs to put pressure on him now regarding immigration. I think he can be persuaded that Sheldon and co. are not looking out for the common good when it comes to this issue.

  35. “If you read between the lines, the TNR article is saying that the national media will eventually be able to nail somebody in Scott Walker’s entourage for saying something insensitive about blacks . . ”

    Perhaps, but at this early stage presidential hopefuls are showcasing themselves, and get roughed up by those with an interest in roughing them up.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-scott-walker-mulls-white-house-bid-questions-linger-over-college-exit/2015/02/11/8e17ea44-b13e-11e4-886b-c22184f27c35_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop

    Politics is big business. For those for whom politics is their business this is the new business development stage. Walker is a favorite of these folks, and they have a lot of money to spend:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us/politics/kochs-plan-to-spend-900-million-on-2016-campaign.html?_r=0

  36. @countenance
    Just in case any of you are tempted by the media hoopla and circus:

    Scott Walker was one of a foursome that went to Vegas to kiss Sheldon Adelson's ring last summer. The others were Jeb Bush, Chris Christie and John Kasich. Meaning open borders no borders all the way.

    How can someone sell themselves as the anti-Jeb when they have same immigration agenda as Jeb?

    Just because I'm okay with someone as a state governor doesn't mean they should be President. Besides, Walker's accomplishments as Governor are mainly provincial affairs, and don't scale well up to national politics.

    Amen. Kissing Adelson’s ass, er, ring while simultaneously making an enemy of Wisconsin’s unionized whites will sink him regardless of his skin shade.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    making an enemy of Wisconsin’s unionized whites…
     
    Unionized whites have been an enemy of normal whites since I was in kneepants. The AFL-CIO stood up for Hart-Celler in 1964.
  37. Top GOP operative calls Scott Walker ‘kind of a dumba–‘

    Mark Salter, who was a top adviser on the 2008 presidential campaign of Sen. John McCain (R), is not a fan of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R).

    On Thursday, Salter went on Facebook and posted an article criticizing a comment Walker made about the Islamic State jihadist group (also known as ISIS or ISIL) at the Conservative Political Action Conference. Salter added a colorful comment.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/top-gop-operative-calls-scott-walker-kind-of-a-dumba–2015-2#ixzz3SxmLN2pO

    Perhaps this a good sign. Walker gets under the skin of Conservative Inc.

  38. An alternative theory is that real estate and construction interests needed the warm bodies to either occupy existing substandard housing, or justify building new tower blocks with unionized labor on cheap land occupied by substandard housing. Some aspects of this are discussed in Caro’s The Power Broker.

    Building project, not tenant, based Section 8 is often the best paid construction jobs in small town USA. These projects only make financial sense if the government pays the rent, but so what.

    The problem with blaming black people for welfare is they are not the ones organizing and profiting from it.

  39. Are the figures in the table all adjusted to 1990 dollars?

  40. There are few decent middle class jobs left for typical white people in this country.Many of those-fire, police, teachers, utility, construction trades-happen to be unionized. It’s one thing to go after union leaders, but Walker has made it his mission to go after the workers. Apparently the GOP’s Big Idea is catering to the likes of Sheldon Adleson knocking wages down to nothing while importing cheap labor to compete with middle class and working poor people. There are only so many Adelsons, so someone has to explain how vs. the pandering Hillary! Walker can win. I will crawl over broken glass to vote against the shrew, but for many Americans the 1990s were a good time in this country economically. And Bush Jr. has squandered what ever credibility his party had on spending and debt.

    And as to Walker’s war on teachers-yes, there are bad teachers. But nobody wants to discuss the Common Core testing nonsense for which he and Bush advocated strongly, nor how we will never be allowed to discuss parents’ roles and responsibilities. The “Waiting For Superman” Republicans believe in the all knowing goodness of government when it comes to public education despite rather obviously that schools and teachers while important are not nearly so as parents’ (plural) involvement in their child’s education.

  41. This left almost no time for the city to develop a black middle class or a leadership elite.

    Bwahaha, If only they had a little more time! Milwaukee would be the Athens of the snow belt.

  42. @Tom-in-VA
    One might reasonably assume that the media are afraid that Walker can beat Clinton, and also that Journo-list continues to function as a means for "progressive" journalists to coordinate their attacks.

    One might reasonably assume that the media are afraid that Walker can beat Clinton, and also that Journo-list continues to function as a means for “progressive” journalists to coordinate their attacks.

    Hillary has never done anything.
    Scott Walker has done many positive things in Wisconsin that are also applicable nationwide.

    Hillary blew Benghazi, we know how this crazy ol hag will operate under pressure. And prior to the battle at Benghazi Hillary and her State Dept turned down the ambassador’s repeated requests for US military security. Instead the idiots at State hired some locals to provide security and these locals informed the Jihadi attack forces that killed four Americans including the ambassador

  43. re: “Scott Walker was one of a foursome that went to Vegas to kiss Sheldon Adelson’s ring last summer. The others were Jeb Bush, Chris Christie and John Kasich. Meaning open borders no borders all the way.”

    Well, maybe. Except that Bush I ran on “read my lips,” George W. ran on “no nation building, “FDR on “balance-the-budget,” and Obama promised to bridge the racial divide before he threw his white grandmother under the bus, then sided with Skip Gates, Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown.

  44. The Germanics–hard working, conscientious, cooperative, open, high trust–tend to create very very nice societies. Worse they are able to do it spontaneously–they self-organize; they don’t require elite managerial diktat.

    This all drives some non-Germanics … nuts. They recognize those are good things. Yet, they know in their heart of hearts they are superior people. So in theory all they have to do is gain power and then command that things be so.

    Unfortunately … the key ingredient here really is having Germanic peoples–thousands of years of gene-culture co-evolution.

    That drives some non-Germanics double plus nuts.

  45. I’ve only recently learned phrases such as “kicking-up” and “punching down” and it seems to me that Walker focused his wrath on the low hanging fruit of public sector unions. Granted, the public sector unions should be destroyed, but Walker gave passes to the cops and firemen who deserve to be nipped as well.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    I’ve only recently learned phrases such as “kicking-up” and “punching down” and it seems to me that Walker focused his wrath on the low hanging fruit of public sector unions.

    That's an absolutely stupefying remark of yours. He is the one politician in the country who has even attempted to take on these crooked Democratic Party vote farms and he did not back town when it turned ugly.
    , @matt
    We should also cut the pay of The Troops. Lazy welfare queens.
  46. No, it worked like this: before the increase in welfare payments in the 1960s and 1970s, northern cities attracted those Southern blacks who wanted to better themselves by getting factory jobs. But during the big liberalization of welfare in the 1960s-1970s, northern cities attracted those down South who heard it was easy to get welfare.

    Steve i think there is some skew in the initial black populations, but regression-to-the-mean and welfarism are powerful forces.

    You can take a population that entirely self-selected folks that came to area to homestead or work in a factory, but their children will not be of quite the same mettle. And you offer folks with generous welfare to be screw ups … you’ll bend a good number into dependency.

    We all vary in our innate desire for hard work. Heck, I’ve worked my ass off–put in 80, 90 hour weeks pushing to get work done (stuff i wanted to do, and a good salary part of the package), but if you give me generous welfare to sit around, read and comment on iSteve … hey, i’ll do it!

    Welfare will poison any society. But blacks seem to have lower native conscientiousness and desire to work. Plus they have lower ability to be valuable to employers. So generous welfare will quickly cultivate dependency and bad behavior in them–far faster than it corrupts other races.

  47. One reason for black welfare dependency is they is shameless. They feel no shame whatsoever in taking handouts.

  48. The other factor: Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 US 618 (1969) which struck down several state residency requirements for collecting welfare. Wisconsin had one.

    From 1969 on, you could pile your four sprogs in your hoopty in Cabrini Green, drive to Milwaukee, and immediately sign up for welfare.

    No more 90 day/6 month/1 year residency waiting period.

    • Replies: @Ed
    "The other factor: Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 US 618 (1969) which struck down several state residency requirements for collecting welfare. Wisconsin had one. "

    Thanks. I was going to ask about this.

    This blog and the commentators tend to focus on the racial angle, but it struck me that the problem of people deliberately move to the state to collect welfare benefits could be addressed effectively by just making it harder for people who just moved to a state to collect welfare benefits. There had to be some sort of reason why this wasn't being done, and it appears that states are not allowed to do this.
  49. iSteveFan says:

    By 1960.. In Milwaukee, they accounted for less than 10 percent of residents, the smallest proportion of African Americans in any of the 15 largest cities in the country.

    For most of the period between 1910 and 1960, the city was governed by Socialist Party mayors.

    The city had never been exactly welcoming to African Americans—its tight-knit enclaves of Germans, Jews, and Poles had fiercely resisted housing and school integration.

    Let’s see. A city that had been run by socialists, that was filled with immigrants (even enlightened Jewish ones) was not welcoming to blacks. Therefore, let’s blame white republicans.

  50. Stupid article. The racially divisive politician in Wisconsin is/was Tom Barrett, Walker’s opponent in the 2010 election and the recall election. Barrett was ‘divisive’ not because he did anything in particular but because he ran for Mayor of Milwaukee against black politician and sitting Mayor Marvin Pratt. Pratt had been named Mayor after the previous Mayor resigned because of a sexual harassment scandal.

    The Mayoral election Barrett vs Pratt was basically 100% blacks for Pratt against 100% everyone else for Barrett. Pratt was dealing with scandals himself at the time. It was obvious he wasn’t qualified for the job. It got pretty ugly.

    While black people don’t vote for Walker in large numbers, they aren’t particularly motivated to show up to vote against him (and for Barrett or that heiress who ran against him in 2014). The kind of respectable black ladies who work in retail around me only have nice things to say about him (Walker).

    So, categorizing Walker as someone who’s divisive in regards to black people is really stupid.

  51. @countenance
    Just in case any of you are tempted by the media hoopla and circus:

    Scott Walker was one of a foursome that went to Vegas to kiss Sheldon Adelson's ring last summer. The others were Jeb Bush, Chris Christie and John Kasich. Meaning open borders no borders all the way.

    How can someone sell themselves as the anti-Jeb when they have same immigration agenda as Jeb?

    Just because I'm okay with someone as a state governor doesn't mean they should be President. Besides, Walker's accomplishments as Governor are mainly provincial affairs, and don't scale well up to national politics.

    Is anyone beside Ted Cruz completely trustworthy on the issue?

    Walker and Bush will tear each other up over the next year.

  52. Has Walker done anything to cut AFDC, now called TANF, since he has been in office with a friendly state legislature? Or restrict Medicaid?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    The AFDC/TANF census was cut by 90% during Tommy Thompson's terms as governor. Wisconsin was the pioneer laboratory for reforms enacted in federal legislation in 1996.
  53. Good news! Today’s New York Times has announced that you no longer have to be white to count as “white.”

    Onefer academic George Yancy interviewed threefer academic Falguni Sheth (female + nonwhite + former illegal immigrant), who opined:

    “Whites are at the top, and blacks and nonwhites below … ‘whiteness’ is a category of power based on a general, but not universal, correlation between those in power and general racial identity.”

    We already knew that people count as white in some contexts but not others: George Zimmerman counts as Hispanic for diversity head-counts but as white for racist propaganda.

    However, thanks to Ms. Sheth, we now have a general principle that any sufficiently-capable person counts as white.

    So let’s welcome our Oriental friends to the party! I have a feeling that they’ll be much less open to appeals based on presumption of racial guilt. They might even tell the guilt-mongers where to stuff it.

  54. @Big Bill
    The other factor: Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 US 618 (1969) which struck down several state residency requirements for collecting welfare. Wisconsin had one.

    From 1969 on, you could pile your four sprogs in your hoopty in Cabrini Green, drive to Milwaukee, and immediately sign up for welfare.

    No more 90 day/6 month/1 year residency waiting period.

    “The other factor: Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 US 618 (1969) which struck down several state residency requirements for collecting welfare. Wisconsin had one. ”

    Thanks. I was going to ask about this.

    This blog and the commentators tend to focus on the racial angle, but it struck me that the problem of people deliberately move to the state to collect welfare benefits could be addressed effectively by just making it harder for people who just moved to a state to collect welfare benefits. There had to be some sort of reason why this wasn’t being done, and it appears that states are not allowed to do this.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    The reason for many gross and indefensible policies is generally some component of the legal profession: the appellate judiciary, the 'public interest bar', the professoriate, or Big Law in about that order.
  55. Walker is a very formidable candidate, because he’s the ONLY one, I think, who can appeal to both the right-wing butjobs, and the mainstream. This is reflected in his surprising early polling leads (perhaps not nationally, but in Iowa, New Hampshire, and California, and I suspect this lead will also be reflected in the next batch of national polls), and I suspect he’s not only a very formidable primary election candidate, but would be very tough to beat in the general as well. He’s the Republican to watch, at this point.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    "Walker is a very formidable candidate, because he’s the ONLY one, I think, who can appeal to both the right-wing butjobs, and the mainstream. This is reflected in his surprising early polling leads (perhaps not nationally, but in Iowa, New Hampshire, and California, and I suspect this lead will also be reflected in the next batch of national polls), and I suspect he’s not only a very formidable primary election candidate, but would be very tough to beat in the general as well. He’s the Republican to watch, at this point."

    Let's say you are right. But what does that mean exactly? I guess being a blank slate of sorts is useful at times.

    But what is his real attitude to:

    1) Foreign Policy and Wars
    2) Trade and the hollowing out of the American economy
    3) Immigration

    Just to name a few things. With the kind of company he keeps I sure don't have a warm fuzzy about him.

    The thing is the next election is the Republican's to lose. So far they are trying to do just that if Jeb Bush or Romney is nominated.

    Hillary is a horrible candidate, but the frontrunners for the Republican nomination are worse, or just plain campaigners from Hell. (I think Romney and Dukakis are the worst campaigners I've seen in my lifetime in a Presidential race. The rest of the country just doesn't seem to get Massachusetts.)

    From my perspective if he can get the nomination, he has an excellent chance of winning.

    But what then? What's this guy all about really? My take is he is just as much a hand puppet as Obama has been.

    If you aren't keen on this country becoming Aztlan or Brasil Norte, and you don't want to be under the Koch brothers and their ilk's thumb, where are you supposed to go?

    One thing is for sure, unless someone comes out of nowhere, we will have gone from 2000 to 2020 in this country without a President who could give a decent speech. And 32 years since the last one who could give a very good one. (Reagan. He didn't meet my standards for "great.")

    Public Speaking is apparently something else that has died in the modern era.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    You say "right-wing nutjob" like it's a bad thing.
  56. @Ed
    "The other factor: Shapiro v. Thompson, 394 US 618 (1969) which struck down several state residency requirements for collecting welfare. Wisconsin had one. "

    Thanks. I was going to ask about this.

    This blog and the commentators tend to focus on the racial angle, but it struck me that the problem of people deliberately move to the state to collect welfare benefits could be addressed effectively by just making it harder for people who just moved to a state to collect welfare benefits. There had to be some sort of reason why this wasn't being done, and it appears that states are not allowed to do this.

    The reason for many gross and indefensible policies is generally some component of the legal profession: the appellate judiciary, the ‘public interest bar’, the professoriate, or Big Law in about that order.

  57. @Lot
    Has Walker done anything to cut AFDC, now called TANF, since he has been in office with a friendly state legislature? Or restrict Medicaid?

    The AFDC/TANF census was cut by 90% during Tommy Thompson’s terms as governor. Wisconsin was the pioneer laboratory for reforms enacted in federal legislation in 1996.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    Did it work, or did the TANF population just graduate to disability?
  58. @p s c
    I've only recently learned phrases such as "kicking-up" and "punching down" and it seems to me that Walker focused his wrath on the low hanging fruit of public sector unions. Granted, the public sector unions should be destroyed, but Walker gave passes to the cops and firemen who deserve to be nipped as well.

    I’ve only recently learned phrases such as “kicking-up” and “punching down” and it seems to me that Walker focused his wrath on the low hanging fruit of public sector unions.

    That’s an absolutely stupefying remark of yours. He is the one politician in the country who has even attempted to take on these crooked Democratic Party vote farms and he did not back town when it turned ugly.

    • Replies: @p s c
    Walker passed on taking on the cops and firemen b/c he was not willing to fight. And public sector union employees, while being part of the Dem machine, don't have much juice.

    Kind of like Pro-Life Republicans. The GOP is pleased to have their votes but will do little to advance the cause of Pro-Life policies.

    State DMV, DOT, and public school teachers are pikers compared to big-bankers, lawyers, and corporations that outsource jobs. Public sector clerks and what little power they have will eventually be crushed just like UAW workers and the now defanged Teamsters. Just happy to have a job like everyone else.
  59. If I recall, welfare in the 1960’s was really presented as a way of getting white single mothers back into the work force and or get remarried after a divorce. The idea being that it might take a woman 5 years to get on her feet. By that time her one or two children would be in school and she could reeducate herself to get hired. Sort of an investment. Of course what we have now is cradle to grave welfare with the children being born on Medicaid, raised in section 8 housing, WIC, food stamps, and the rest. They used to blame the guy on running out on his family but in the black community they don’t even bother to pretend that there was a guy around in the first place.

  60. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    Walker is a very formidable candidate, because he's the ONLY one, I think, who can appeal to both the right-wing butjobs, and the mainstream. This is reflected in his surprising early polling leads (perhaps not nationally, but in Iowa, New Hampshire, and California, and I suspect this lead will also be reflected in the next batch of national polls), and I suspect he's not only a very formidable primary election candidate, but would be very tough to beat in the general as well. He's the Republican to watch, at this point.

    “Walker is a very formidable candidate, because he’s the ONLY one, I think, who can appeal to both the right-wing butjobs, and the mainstream. This is reflected in his surprising early polling leads (perhaps not nationally, but in Iowa, New Hampshire, and California, and I suspect this lead will also be reflected in the next batch of national polls), and I suspect he’s not only a very formidable primary election candidate, but would be very tough to beat in the general as well. He’s the Republican to watch, at this point.”

    Let’s say you are right. But what does that mean exactly? I guess being a blank slate of sorts is useful at times.

    But what is his real attitude to:

    1) Foreign Policy and Wars
    2) Trade and the hollowing out of the American economy
    3) Immigration

    Just to name a few things. With the kind of company he keeps I sure don’t have a warm fuzzy about him.

    The thing is the next election is the Republican’s to lose. So far they are trying to do just that if Jeb Bush or Romney is nominated.

    Hillary is a horrible candidate, but the frontrunners for the Republican nomination are worse, or just plain campaigners from Hell. (I think Romney and Dukakis are the worst campaigners I’ve seen in my lifetime in a Presidential race. The rest of the country just doesn’t seem to get Massachusetts.)

    From my perspective if he can get the nomination, he has an excellent chance of winning.

    But what then? What’s this guy all about really? My take is he is just as much a hand puppet as Obama has been.

    If you aren’t keen on this country becoming Aztlan or Brasil Norte, and you don’t want to be under the Koch brothers and their ilk’s thumb, where are you supposed to go?

    One thing is for sure, unless someone comes out of nowhere, we will have gone from 2000 to 2020 in this country without a President who could give a decent speech. And 32 years since the last one who could give a very good one. (Reagan. He didn’t meet my standards for “great.”)

    Public Speaking is apparently something else that has died in the modern era.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    Public speaking is the art of persuasion - i.e., getting others to think what you want them to think, and, by extension, getting them to do what you want them to do. It's the kunst of crooks.

    Politicians seek power. We should be wary of those who seek power. Power-hungry persuaders are dangerous.

    Spare us the empty rhetoric and eloquent bullshit.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Let’s say you are right. But what does that mean exactly? I guess being a blank slate of sorts is useful at times.

    But what is his real attitude to:

    1) Foreign Policy and Wars
    2) Trade and the hollowing out of the American economy
    3) Immigration

    Just to name a few things. With the kind of company he keeps I sure don’t have a warm fuzzy about him."

    I didn't mean to imply I thought Scott Walker would make a good President; merely that'd he'd make a very powerful candidate-for-President. I'm rather skeptical about him myself, but at least I have SOME hope for Walker, unlike Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Lindsey "Lohan" Graham, Rick Perry, John Bolton, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Marco Rubio, Peter King, Donald Trump, and just about anyone else sniffing around the GOP Presidential nomination.

    Scott Walker is just about the only hope I have for a halfway decent GOP nominee. Hell, at this point, I'm pretty much planning to re-register as a Democrat, in order to vote for Jim Webb. Its a pretty sad state of Presidential affairs in the contemporary Republican Party, alas.
  61. “Most of the work in Milwaukee seemed to be being done by Mexicans.”

    Privatized profits, socialized costs. Individual employers get to replace blacks with Hispanics, but society as a whole now has to deal with (now unemployed) blacks and Hispanics.

  62. To see how dumb folks screw the working man, go to any welfare office.

    To see how smart folks screw the working man, go to Wall Street or K Street.

    In the Great American Lootout, investment bankers and lobbyists beat small-time dole-suckers. But who can blame all of them for leeching while the leeching’s good?

    Steve, you’ve said that political correctness makes people dumb. But honesty makes them dumb, as well. Honest people tend to assume that others are honest. The erroneous assumption that we all think the same way, and that we all want the same things in life, has led to the world’s worst well-intentioned disasters.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    "But honesty makes them dumb, as well."

    Mutualism is best. Be honest with those who are honest with you. Be dishonest with those who are dishonest with you.
  63. “Walker is a very formidable candidate, because he’s the ONLY one, I think, who can appeal to both the right-wing butjobs, and the mainstream.”

    He looks too dorky. In our age of visual media, it matters.

  64. @Stan Adams
    To see how dumb folks screw the working man, go to any welfare office.

    To see how smart folks screw the working man, go to Wall Street or K Street.

    In the Great American Lootout, investment bankers and lobbyists beat small-time dole-suckers. But who can blame all of them for leeching while the leeching's good?

    Steve, you've said that political correctness makes people dumb. But honesty makes them dumb, as well. Honest people tend to assume that others are honest. The erroneous assumption that we all think the same way, and that we all want the same things in life, has led to the world's worst well-intentioned disasters.

    “But honesty makes them dumb, as well.”

    Mutualism is best. Be honest with those who are honest with you. Be dishonest with those who are dishonest with you.

    • Replies: @McFly
    "Mutualism is best. Be honest with those who are honest with you. Be dishonest with those who are dishonest with you."

    Nice turn of phrase.
  65. @FX Enderby
    Walker as president? The guy doesn't even have a college degree. The last man to do that was Coolidge and before that Grover Cleveland. It won't fly in our phony credential obsessed present era.

    Coolidge graduated from Amherst. Truman did not graduate from college.

  66. @Sunbeam
    "Walker is a very formidable candidate, because he’s the ONLY one, I think, who can appeal to both the right-wing butjobs, and the mainstream. This is reflected in his surprising early polling leads (perhaps not nationally, but in Iowa, New Hampshire, and California, and I suspect this lead will also be reflected in the next batch of national polls), and I suspect he’s not only a very formidable primary election candidate, but would be very tough to beat in the general as well. He’s the Republican to watch, at this point."

    Let's say you are right. But what does that mean exactly? I guess being a blank slate of sorts is useful at times.

    But what is his real attitude to:

    1) Foreign Policy and Wars
    2) Trade and the hollowing out of the American economy
    3) Immigration

    Just to name a few things. With the kind of company he keeps I sure don't have a warm fuzzy about him.

    The thing is the next election is the Republican's to lose. So far they are trying to do just that if Jeb Bush or Romney is nominated.

    Hillary is a horrible candidate, but the frontrunners for the Republican nomination are worse, or just plain campaigners from Hell. (I think Romney and Dukakis are the worst campaigners I've seen in my lifetime in a Presidential race. The rest of the country just doesn't seem to get Massachusetts.)

    From my perspective if he can get the nomination, he has an excellent chance of winning.

    But what then? What's this guy all about really? My take is he is just as much a hand puppet as Obama has been.

    If you aren't keen on this country becoming Aztlan or Brasil Norte, and you don't want to be under the Koch brothers and their ilk's thumb, where are you supposed to go?

    One thing is for sure, unless someone comes out of nowhere, we will have gone from 2000 to 2020 in this country without a President who could give a decent speech. And 32 years since the last one who could give a very good one. (Reagan. He didn't meet my standards for "great.")

    Public Speaking is apparently something else that has died in the modern era.

    Public speaking is the art of persuasion – i.e., getting others to think what you want them to think, and, by extension, getting them to do what you want them to do. It’s the kunst of crooks.

    Politicians seek power. We should be wary of those who seek power. Power-hungry persuaders are dangerous.

    Spare us the empty rhetoric and eloquent bullshit.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Yeah, but someone has to run the country. Someone has to have power. Even the Quakers split up their meetings after a certain size because consensus doesn't work above a certain group size. We just have to keep an eye on them.

    Easier said than done, of course...
  67. @Art Deco
    I’ve only recently learned phrases such as “kicking-up” and “punching down” and it seems to me that Walker focused his wrath on the low hanging fruit of public sector unions.

    That's an absolutely stupefying remark of yours. He is the one politician in the country who has even attempted to take on these crooked Democratic Party vote farms and he did not back town when it turned ugly.

    Walker passed on taking on the cops and firemen b/c he was not willing to fight. And public sector union employees, while being part of the Dem machine, don’t have much juice.

    Kind of like Pro-Life Republicans. The GOP is pleased to have their votes but will do little to advance the cause of Pro-Life policies.

    State DMV, DOT, and public school teachers are pikers compared to big-bankers, lawyers, and corporations that outsource jobs. Public sector clerks and what little power they have will eventually be crushed just like UAW workers and the now defanged Teamsters. Just happy to have a job like everyone else.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    And public sector union employees, while being part of the Dem machine, don’t have much juice.
    --
    Rubbish. You made a stupid remark. Quit doubling down.
  68. @Stan Adams
    Public speaking is the art of persuasion - i.e., getting others to think what you want them to think, and, by extension, getting them to do what you want them to do. It's the kunst of crooks.

    Politicians seek power. We should be wary of those who seek power. Power-hungry persuaders are dangerous.

    Spare us the empty rhetoric and eloquent bullshit.

    Yeah, but someone has to run the country. Someone has to have power. Even the Quakers split up their meetings after a certain size because consensus doesn’t work above a certain group size. We just have to keep an eye on them.

    Easier said than done, of course…

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    I know that. But I thought it odd that he was lamenting the fact that our leaders aren't all that good at speaking. I'm glad that they're not more effective at bullshitting the masses than they already are. The worse they are at persuading others, the better.

    During the '08 campaign, I heard others rave about Obama's eloquence. Then I watched his speeches and thought, "Where's the beef?" I also thought, "If a stiff like him spouting warmed-over bullshit about 'hope and change' can make people shiver with glee, imagine what a truly-gifted public speaker could do."

    Many if not most folks yearn for a strong leader to tell them how to think, what to do, and where to go. I do not.
  69. My $.02:

    You probably can’t get someone free of Adelson (or Koch) at this point. The best thing is to pick a guy who doesn’t care about immigration, rather than a guy who actually wants more immigration, because the indifferent guy is going to be a lot more susceptible to public, Tea Party, etc. pressure against amnesty than the pro-immigration guy.

    Walker also has the advantage over Hillary of not being named Bush (or Clinton). I don’t know about you, but I’m pretty sick of this monarchy business (yes, dark enlightenment people, you can do what you want in Europe, but monarchy is un-American). We’re supposed to have a republic. Practically, he’s at least shown he’s tough (though I hardly would call public sector unions the biggest enemy of the public these days). And I don’t think most people have positive memories of the Bush years. Walker could claim to be providing a clean slate.

    The question is, who can beat Hillary, and who’s least likely to betray us on amnesty. I vote for Walker.

  70. @Anonymous
    It continues to astound me that AM radio is at the same time so influential and archaic. I only hope that it's because demographic on the right is older and therefore dwindling.

    some see a guy in a suit, and that's supposed to mean something...when I see a picture of Walker I see an Indiana Klansman with a tighty white tee shirt, cigs rolled up in the sleeve, carrying an ax handle.

    Mitt Romney also seemed laughably too white to me. – This is a new America in which Univision, the Spanish language network, is America’s top broadcast network, now beating CBS among some important demographic groups.
    As a bar owner in a largely African American and Hispanic community, my customers like me because I promote R&B and Hip Hop music events, and seem very accepted as a very soulful White guy.

    There is a vast underclass if that is what you mean by a ‘new America’ but it is running headlong into a fiscal brickwall. Government spending cannot continue to grow faster than the economy or you hit that brickwall. Today the US spends $414 billion per year paying the interest on the national debt. That is with interest rates on a ten year treasury bond under 2%. Interest rates rise to the historical norm of 4-5% and Congress would have to find another $400-$600 billion a year to pay the interest. That would require a cut in Federal spending of about 15% and raising taxes doesn’t work because federal government revenues peak out at about 25% of GDP.

    Your underclass friends will not have money to sit at your bar when government spending goes into reverse.

  71. @Art Deco
    The AFDC/TANF census was cut by 90% during Tommy Thompson's terms as governor. Wisconsin was the pioneer laboratory for reforms enacted in federal legislation in 1996.

    Did it work, or did the TANF population just graduate to disability?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I can tell you from my own vantage point they never left welfare but just no longer got cash grants therefore technically went off TANF. They continued to get Food Stamps, Medicaid and Section 8. Cash was just hustled up elsewhere through mysterious means, off the books. Anybody who could make a case for disability did so. This reduction of TANF is mostly political flim-flam. Cash grants for TANF weren't all that high to begin with. Medicaid is what costs and so does Section 8.
  72. @SFG
    Yeah, but someone has to run the country. Someone has to have power. Even the Quakers split up their meetings after a certain size because consensus doesn't work above a certain group size. We just have to keep an eye on them.

    Easier said than done, of course...

    I know that. But I thought it odd that he was lamenting the fact that our leaders aren’t all that good at speaking. I’m glad that they’re not more effective at bullshitting the masses than they already are. The worse they are at persuading others, the better.

    During the ’08 campaign, I heard others rave about Obama’s eloquence. Then I watched his speeches and thought, “Where’s the beef?” I also thought, “If a stiff like him spouting warmed-over bullshit about ‘hope and change’ can make people shiver with glee, imagine what a truly-gifted public speaker could do.”

    Many if not most folks yearn for a strong leader to tell them how to think, what to do, and where to go. I do not.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    "I know that. But I thought it odd that he was lamenting the fact that our leaders aren’t all that good at speaking. I’m glad that they’re not more effective at bullshitting the masses than they already are. The worse they are at persuading others, the better.

    During the ’08 campaign, I heard others rave about Obama’s eloquence. Then I watched his speeches and thought, “Where’s the beef?” I also thought, “If a stiff like him spouting warmed-over bullshit about ‘hope and change’ can make people shiver with glee, imagine what a truly-gifted public speaker could do.”

    Many if not most folks yearn for a strong leader to tell them how to think, what to do, and where to go. I do not."

    That's nice, but I don't think you know what you are looking at.

    Do you think this country, whether you are talking about a mob in Ferguson, MO, or tie-dyers in Portland, OR, or even tea-party members somewhere are some seething mass just waiting for "The Leader" to come along and light the fire?

    Well if that is your fear, you don't have anything to worry about. This is a country of couch potatoes who take the path of least resistance. 1984 wasn't the future, these guys are giggling over soma and internet porn.

    It is irrelevant how charismatic these guys are honestly. At least as regards speaking ability. I doubt anyone with any real ability to sell anything ever would be allowed to become President. It really, really helps if they look good and can fire off one-liners (like any good comedian).

    But while you may feel comforted by their inarticulate nature, it bugs me to no end to flip through channels, find that damn state of the union address on, and listen to one or two minutes of the whole thing.

    It just disgusts me. The speeches are poorly written, and poorly delivered. They just plain suck at giving speeches, all of them.

    Not that I expect you to, but listen to run of the mill political speeches from the 60's and especially the 50's.

    It's like modern speeches are aimed at morons. Which is more puzzling because the huddled masses automatically flip over anything like this unless they don't have a choice (that State of the Union thing again). So just who are they trying to talk to if this is done on purpose?

    Ain't none of these guys William Jennings Bryan.

    So my point is, why do they suck so bad at this? Same reason that modern musicians can't sing even with autotune?
  73. Whiteness has to be understood as code for cool, hip, upper class. The rage against Sarah Palin, instead of any number of conservative women (like Elizabeth Dole, or Nikki Haley) is all about CLASS. A lower class White woman “not knowing her place.” And being uppity.

    Whiteness, in the middle class attributes of the public image of say, Mitt Romney, or Scott Walker (regardless of their real personas visible only to friends and intimates) has been defined as boring and downwardly mobile. Also, critically, unsexy in men. Denoting a lack of Alpha dominance. It is a weapon used by other Upper Class Whites against the Middle Class White Male group.

    Bill Clinton is a good example. He strove to avoid being “White,” with thinly disguised womanizing, gargantuan appetites for food as well as sex, playing the saxophone, the celebrity pals, etc.

    Scott Walker probably IS unelectable. Not for any policies but for his personality and background and persona.

    What the would-be upper classes among Whites want, particularly women, is a “cool/hip” persona. And the approval of the media, particularly the women on the View, Ellen, Oprah, etc. Sad but true. Roissy’s Cocky-funny indifferent Alpha. A Bill Clinton, an Obama, a JFK, who combines aggression absent the White middle class with Aristocratic pretensions. For JFK it was (a newly rich Irish-American corrupt pol family) aping the ways of the old Preppy Class, with more than a hint of gangsters and sexual depravity. For Obama, it was the rap star pals and his noted “cool” demeanor making him the fantasy of every female writer for the NYT.

    I don’t think MANY White voters really care if someone said something mean about Blacks, or had a disparate impact on Black people in Milwaukee, or really anything but personality filtered through the media. This is why guys like Clinton, and Bush, and Obama got elected.

    Consider the 2000 election. Was there any reason to choose George W. Bush? Should the election have been even close with the relative good times? The media environment magnified the beta male shortcomings, the erratic robotic nature of Al Gore, making Bush the default choice. Fast forward to “Reporting for Duty” Lurch, aka Kerry, in 2004 and you get the same thing — Bush wins by being the least obnoxious personality on offer. It was OK for JFK to yacht with the family while most knew through the grapevine that he was also banging Marilyn Monroe. Kerry windsurfing in a pink polka dot wetsuit or donning that contamination suit just confirmed people’s view of him. Like Dukakis looking like Snoopy on that tank.

    Hillary! is enormously vulnerable, she has a lead ear and bitchy, entitled persona with a grating voice combined with an elitist public attitude. [Elitist policies are forgiven if the IMAGE is populist.] But Walker is not the guy. Republicans need someone with an A-hole attitude with hints of vulnerability. [Jeb Bush is even worse, persona wise.]

    Someone now “White” but hip. Edgy. “Dangerous.” Someone like the late Chris Kyle. Believe me, that he killed a bunch of people would have even the most hard-core PETA/Code Pink woman voting for him.

    • Replies: @Marty T
    I don't totally disagree. I think Christie, for all his faults, has the alpha personality that can be simultaneously conservative and hip. I wouldn't count him out yet.
  74. @anonymous-antimarxist

    If you read between the lines, the TNR article is saying that the national media will eventually be able to nail somebody in Scott Walker’s entourage for saying something insensitive about blacks because … uh … well … okay, to be frank, if you knew how much better Milwaukee was before all these people from Mississippi showed up with their hands out, you’d be insensitive, too.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_Communications

    On July 30, 2014, it was announced that Journal would be acquired by the E. W. Scripps Company in an all-stock transaction that would form a company that would then split in two. Scripps would retain the two firms' broadcasting properties, while they would spin off their print properties into Journal Media Group.[8] The FCC approved the deal on December 12, 2014.[9]
     
    For right now the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel is one of the few papers in the mid-west not under the control of Gannett or Warren Buffet. Bershire-Hathaway controls Lee Enterprises, hence the horrible leftist coverage of the Michael Brown shooting by the St Louis Post-Dispatch.

    Not sure how left wing the Journal-Sentinel is or what the new ownership will bring. Even then local ownership/control discourages pooping in one's own nest. Out of state ownership especially by billionaires with largely non media interests tends to encourage political manipulations. Warren Buffet seems to enjoy his role as Democratic big wheel and media puppetmaster.

    In other words the NYT(& Carlos Slim) may have to send out their own hit squad to goyim land to take down Gov. Walker.

    The Journal-Sentinel is a liberal paper like any other and has been anti-Walker forever. Milwaukee has a liberal media except that there is an unusual number of conservative talk show hosts who focus on local issues.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    Yes the Journal-Sentinel is a left of center paper.

    But at least it is not the plaything of an out of state mega billionaire who bought it for cents on the dollar while in Chapter 11 in order to pursue personal political agendas.

    There is Journal-Sentinel bias bad and then there is St Louis Post-Dispatch "Lets help enable a senseless race riot" bad. Thank You Warren Buffet.
  75. @Sunbeam
    "Walker is a very formidable candidate, because he’s the ONLY one, I think, who can appeal to both the right-wing butjobs, and the mainstream. This is reflected in his surprising early polling leads (perhaps not nationally, but in Iowa, New Hampshire, and California, and I suspect this lead will also be reflected in the next batch of national polls), and I suspect he’s not only a very formidable primary election candidate, but would be very tough to beat in the general as well. He’s the Republican to watch, at this point."

    Let's say you are right. But what does that mean exactly? I guess being a blank slate of sorts is useful at times.

    But what is his real attitude to:

    1) Foreign Policy and Wars
    2) Trade and the hollowing out of the American economy
    3) Immigration

    Just to name a few things. With the kind of company he keeps I sure don't have a warm fuzzy about him.

    The thing is the next election is the Republican's to lose. So far they are trying to do just that if Jeb Bush or Romney is nominated.

    Hillary is a horrible candidate, but the frontrunners for the Republican nomination are worse, or just plain campaigners from Hell. (I think Romney and Dukakis are the worst campaigners I've seen in my lifetime in a Presidential race. The rest of the country just doesn't seem to get Massachusetts.)

    From my perspective if he can get the nomination, he has an excellent chance of winning.

    But what then? What's this guy all about really? My take is he is just as much a hand puppet as Obama has been.

    If you aren't keen on this country becoming Aztlan or Brasil Norte, and you don't want to be under the Koch brothers and their ilk's thumb, where are you supposed to go?

    One thing is for sure, unless someone comes out of nowhere, we will have gone from 2000 to 2020 in this country without a President who could give a decent speech. And 32 years since the last one who could give a very good one. (Reagan. He didn't meet my standards for "great.")

    Public Speaking is apparently something else that has died in the modern era.

    “Let’s say you are right. But what does that mean exactly? I guess being a blank slate of sorts is useful at times.

    But what is his real attitude to:

    1) Foreign Policy and Wars
    2) Trade and the hollowing out of the American economy
    3) Immigration

    Just to name a few things. With the kind of company he keeps I sure don’t have a warm fuzzy about him.”

    I didn’t mean to imply I thought Scott Walker would make a good President; merely that’d he’d make a very powerful candidate-for-President. I’m rather skeptical about him myself, but at least I have SOME hope for Walker, unlike Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Lindsey “Lohan” Graham, Rick Perry, John Bolton, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Marco Rubio, Peter King, Donald Trump, and just about anyone else sniffing around the GOP Presidential nomination.

    Scott Walker is just about the only hope I have for a halfway decent GOP nominee. Hell, at this point, I’m pretty much planning to re-register as a Democrat, in order to vote for Jim Webb. Its a pretty sad state of Presidential affairs in the contemporary Republican Party, alas.

  76. @Priss Factor
    "But honesty makes them dumb, as well."

    Mutualism is best. Be honest with those who are honest with you. Be dishonest with those who are dishonest with you.

    “Mutualism is best. Be honest with those who are honest with you. Be dishonest with those who are dishonest with you.”

    Nice turn of phrase.

  77. Some state with a low cost of living, mild winters, and not much else going for it ought to make a deal with the other 49 states: it will raise its welfare benefits to 100% over the national average in return for each of the other 49 states kicking in an annual tribute of, say, 2% of their state’s GDP.

    Could be a win-win for everyone.

    • Replies: @a Newsreader
    Maybe we could put that deal in Puerto Rico's constitution as a condition of it becoming the 51st state.
  78. @jon claerbout
    I'm 77. When I was 7, my two little cousins and I would take the streetcar downtown Milwaukee by ourselves.

    My mother, now 74, used to take the bus from Fairlington, VA to DC by herself at 7, to do the family shopping.

  79. @Stan Adams
    I know that. But I thought it odd that he was lamenting the fact that our leaders aren't all that good at speaking. I'm glad that they're not more effective at bullshitting the masses than they already are. The worse they are at persuading others, the better.

    During the '08 campaign, I heard others rave about Obama's eloquence. Then I watched his speeches and thought, "Where's the beef?" I also thought, "If a stiff like him spouting warmed-over bullshit about 'hope and change' can make people shiver with glee, imagine what a truly-gifted public speaker could do."

    Many if not most folks yearn for a strong leader to tell them how to think, what to do, and where to go. I do not.

    “I know that. But I thought it odd that he was lamenting the fact that our leaders aren’t all that good at speaking. I’m glad that they’re not more effective at bullshitting the masses than they already are. The worse they are at persuading others, the better.

    During the ’08 campaign, I heard others rave about Obama’s eloquence. Then I watched his speeches and thought, “Where’s the beef?” I also thought, “If a stiff like him spouting warmed-over bullshit about ‘hope and change’ can make people shiver with glee, imagine what a truly-gifted public speaker could do.”

    Many if not most folks yearn for a strong leader to tell them how to think, what to do, and where to go. I do not.”

    That’s nice, but I don’t think you know what you are looking at.

    Do you think this country, whether you are talking about a mob in Ferguson, MO, or tie-dyers in Portland, OR, or even tea-party members somewhere are some seething mass just waiting for “The Leader” to come along and light the fire?

    Well if that is your fear, you don’t have anything to worry about. This is a country of couch potatoes who take the path of least resistance. 1984 wasn’t the future, these guys are giggling over soma and internet porn.

    It is irrelevant how charismatic these guys are honestly. At least as regards speaking ability. I doubt anyone with any real ability to sell anything ever would be allowed to become President. It really, really helps if they look good and can fire off one-liners (like any good comedian).

    But while you may feel comforted by their inarticulate nature, it bugs me to no end to flip through channels, find that damn state of the union address on, and listen to one or two minutes of the whole thing.

    It just disgusts me. The speeches are poorly written, and poorly delivered. They just plain suck at giving speeches, all of them.

    Not that I expect you to, but listen to run of the mill political speeches from the 60’s and especially the 50’s.

    It’s like modern speeches are aimed at morons. Which is more puzzling because the huddled masses automatically flip over anything like this unless they don’t have a choice (that State of the Union thing again). So just who are they trying to talk to if this is done on purpose?

    Ain’t none of these guys William Jennings Bryan.

    So my point is, why do they suck so bad at this? Same reason that modern musicians can’t sing even with autotune?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    It's been quantified - the reading level of State of the Union speeches (and, by implication, all presidential speeches) has been in a long decline: http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/feb/12/state-of-the-union-reading-level
    , @Stan Adams
    If you don't like the way they speak, then don't watch them. In Hell there is a room where the vilest murderers, child molesters, and rapists are chained to the wall and forced to watch all of Obama's speeches over and over and over again.

    They suck at it because they don't need to be good at it.

    In the 1950s and even into the '60s, people demanded more of their leaders.

    After Vietnam and Watergate, folks said, "Fuck it - they're all liars and crooks." (They are.) Cynicism grew. The few who even bothered to vote got into the habit of picking the guy who came up with the snappier sound bite or the sharper commercial. Public-speaking skills atrophied.

    The man on the street knows that the system is corrupt and that he's getting screwed. He's not fooled by most of the bullshit politicians spew. But, at the same time, he knows there's nothing he can do about it. So he settles for what he gets. Like you said, as long as he has his porn, his beer, his football games, and his funny YouTube clips, he doesn't complain too loudly.

    Theoretically, if everyone woke up tomorrow and said, "Both parties are useless, so I'm never going to vote for a Republican or a Democrat ever again," then the Republican and Democratic parties would be gone overnight. But that hasn't happened, and it's never going to happen.

    The voters don't really matter, except to the extent that the mouthbreathers on one side or the other can be moved to swarm the polls. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the votes aren't even counted, that the elections are totally rigged.
    , @ABN
    My guesses:

    --increasing use of speechwriters, focus groups, polling, spokespeople, etc. Political speech has less to do with conviction than before, and more to do with marketing. The result is cheesy and insubstantial by design.

    --a less serious electorate. I get the sense that working- and middle-class Americans used to have bourgeois aspirations. They wanted to be upstanding citizens and have at least some exposure to high culture and civic matters. Thus there was a middlebrow market for good political speech (a middlebrow art form). Now, people dress down, speak with hip-hop colloquialisms, share a shamelessly low-brow pop culture, and are generally uninterested in being scholars-and-gentlemen.

    --less-substantial issues. The Great Depression, the World Wars, the Cold War, etc. mattered a lot to us. Most of the issues we talk about now are relatively frivolous. (Or, like ISIS and Ukraine, they matter a lot more to foreigners than to us.) Is it even possible to give a great speech on the subject of gay marriage?

    --Money. Big donors don't need or want rhetorical fireworks. They want page 2,471 of the appropriations bill marked up just right.

    --fewer elite disagreements. Since both parties actually agree on a lot of fundamental points, the purpose of a speech is to be unobjectionable and not allow the other party to accuse you of saying something that actually dissents from the state ideology.

    --diversity. Ideas matter more in a homogenous society, whereas checking identity-politics boxes matters more in a diverse society. A white electorate hosted the Lincoln-Douglas debates. A diverse electorate hosts MLK hagiography.

    --no novelty. Back in the day, something like Roosevelt's fireside chats (or, much more significantly, Triumph of the Will) would have been very novel and impressive. I don't think any politician has yet used today's communications technology in a really novel way.

    --a less European-oriented political establishment. Maybe politicians in earlier periods of American history looked more to the established Westminster political culture for inspiration. That parliamentary system lends itself to good speakers like Lloyd George or Churchill. But in an age of American cultural dominance, British political culture may just seem quaint.

    --materialism and secularism. We don't seem to believe in God and Country the way we once did. More like Status and Stuff. What does a man like BO believe in? Christianity? I doubt it. His country? Ha! The world of comfortable yuppiness is nice, but it's lacking in a certain ineffable vital force. You might as well expect a member of the Chinese politburo to speak from the heart.
  80. @Ben H
    The Journal-Sentinel is a liberal paper like any other and has been anti-Walker forever. Milwaukee has a liberal media except that there is an unusual number of conservative talk show hosts who focus on local issues.

    Yes the Journal-Sentinel is a left of center paper.

    But at least it is not the plaything of an out of state mega billionaire who bought it for cents on the dollar while in Chapter 11 in order to pursue personal political agendas.

    There is Journal-Sentinel bias bad and then there is St Louis Post-Dispatch “Lets help enable a senseless race riot” bad. Thank You Warren Buffet.

  81. Suppose for a moment that anti-discrimination laws and the 14th amendment were repealed, that the administration of welfare were as localized as possible, and that states had control over who gets to move there.

    Lots of places in the country would resemble nice, public-spirited Wisconsins. They would enjoy true self-determination. The costs and benefits of whatever public assistance they care to enact would accrue to themselves alone. Meanwhile, the ruling class in NYC, Chicago, LA, etc. would end up with all the diversity that they doth protest to want. The cheap labor oligarchs and do-gooders would no longer be able to externalize the costs of their schemes. Everyone would get what they deserve. To adapt that Kang-Kodos line from the Simpsons, Tocqueville for some, Sao Paolo for others.

    I mention this not because it is likely but because it illustrates how illiberal and coercive the regime of mass immigration, forced integration, and suppression of dissent is.

    I can’t help but think that in the year 2015, “civil rights” is simply a euphemism for those legal, cultural, and political doctrines that prevent white Americans from conspiring to rule themselves.

    To me, small government now seems less critical a priority than self-government. I’d like to think that some other millennials on the right are moving in that direction as well, but I don’t know.

  82. Marty [AKA "wick"] says:
    @Anonymous
    It continues to astound me that AM radio is at the same time so influential and archaic. I only hope that it's because demographic on the right is older and therefore dwindling.

    some see a guy in a suit, and that's supposed to mean something...when I see a picture of Walker I see an Indiana Klansman with a tighty white tee shirt, cigs rolled up in the sleeve, carrying an ax handle.

    Mitt Romney also seemed laughably too white to me. – This is a new America in which Univision, the Spanish language network, is America’s top broadcast network, now beating CBS among some important demographic groups.
    As a bar owner in a largely African American and Hispanic community, my customers like me because I promote R&B and Hip Hop music events, and seem very accepted as a very soulful White guy.

    “As a bar owner in a largely African American and Hispanic community, my customers like me because I promote R&B and Hip Hop music events, and seem very accepted as a very soulful White guy.”

    Sir, you are both illiterate (perhaps standard for bar owners) and self-deluding.

    Whites were the leading promoters and consumers of black music (and basketball) long before you came along. The fact that Motown recordings were 90% purchased by whites , and NBA tickets bought 90% by whites, never prevented blacks from hating whites and doing violence against them, and you can be sure that your black customers hate you too. They don’t think you have soul, they just enjoy being pandered to. By contrast, you have never observed any white treating any black less than courteously, let alone with gratuitous violence. Yet you I voke the KKK simply because a man believes, in racially neutral terms, that public pensions are too rich. Shame on you, you have no integrity.

  83. @Sunbeam
    "I know that. But I thought it odd that he was lamenting the fact that our leaders aren’t all that good at speaking. I’m glad that they’re not more effective at bullshitting the masses than they already are. The worse they are at persuading others, the better.

    During the ’08 campaign, I heard others rave about Obama’s eloquence. Then I watched his speeches and thought, “Where’s the beef?” I also thought, “If a stiff like him spouting warmed-over bullshit about ‘hope and change’ can make people shiver with glee, imagine what a truly-gifted public speaker could do.”

    Many if not most folks yearn for a strong leader to tell them how to think, what to do, and where to go. I do not."

    That's nice, but I don't think you know what you are looking at.

    Do you think this country, whether you are talking about a mob in Ferguson, MO, or tie-dyers in Portland, OR, or even tea-party members somewhere are some seething mass just waiting for "The Leader" to come along and light the fire?

    Well if that is your fear, you don't have anything to worry about. This is a country of couch potatoes who take the path of least resistance. 1984 wasn't the future, these guys are giggling over soma and internet porn.

    It is irrelevant how charismatic these guys are honestly. At least as regards speaking ability. I doubt anyone with any real ability to sell anything ever would be allowed to become President. It really, really helps if they look good and can fire off one-liners (like any good comedian).

    But while you may feel comforted by their inarticulate nature, it bugs me to no end to flip through channels, find that damn state of the union address on, and listen to one or two minutes of the whole thing.

    It just disgusts me. The speeches are poorly written, and poorly delivered. They just plain suck at giving speeches, all of them.

    Not that I expect you to, but listen to run of the mill political speeches from the 60's and especially the 50's.

    It's like modern speeches are aimed at morons. Which is more puzzling because the huddled masses automatically flip over anything like this unless they don't have a choice (that State of the Union thing again). So just who are they trying to talk to if this is done on purpose?

    Ain't none of these guys William Jennings Bryan.

    So my point is, why do they suck so bad at this? Same reason that modern musicians can't sing even with autotune?

    It’s been quantified – the reading level of State of the Union speeches (and, by implication, all presidential speeches) has been in a long decline: http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/feb/12/state-of-the-union-reading-level

  84. @Sunbeam
    "I know that. But I thought it odd that he was lamenting the fact that our leaders aren’t all that good at speaking. I’m glad that they’re not more effective at bullshitting the masses than they already are. The worse they are at persuading others, the better.

    During the ’08 campaign, I heard others rave about Obama’s eloquence. Then I watched his speeches and thought, “Where’s the beef?” I also thought, “If a stiff like him spouting warmed-over bullshit about ‘hope and change’ can make people shiver with glee, imagine what a truly-gifted public speaker could do.”

    Many if not most folks yearn for a strong leader to tell them how to think, what to do, and where to go. I do not."

    That's nice, but I don't think you know what you are looking at.

    Do you think this country, whether you are talking about a mob in Ferguson, MO, or tie-dyers in Portland, OR, or even tea-party members somewhere are some seething mass just waiting for "The Leader" to come along and light the fire?

    Well if that is your fear, you don't have anything to worry about. This is a country of couch potatoes who take the path of least resistance. 1984 wasn't the future, these guys are giggling over soma and internet porn.

    It is irrelevant how charismatic these guys are honestly. At least as regards speaking ability. I doubt anyone with any real ability to sell anything ever would be allowed to become President. It really, really helps if they look good and can fire off one-liners (like any good comedian).

    But while you may feel comforted by their inarticulate nature, it bugs me to no end to flip through channels, find that damn state of the union address on, and listen to one or two minutes of the whole thing.

    It just disgusts me. The speeches are poorly written, and poorly delivered. They just plain suck at giving speeches, all of them.

    Not that I expect you to, but listen to run of the mill political speeches from the 60's and especially the 50's.

    It's like modern speeches are aimed at morons. Which is more puzzling because the huddled masses automatically flip over anything like this unless they don't have a choice (that State of the Union thing again). So just who are they trying to talk to if this is done on purpose?

    Ain't none of these guys William Jennings Bryan.

    So my point is, why do they suck so bad at this? Same reason that modern musicians can't sing even with autotune?

    If you don’t like the way they speak, then don’t watch them. In Hell there is a room where the vilest murderers, child molesters, and rapists are chained to the wall and forced to watch all of Obama’s speeches over and over and over again.

    They suck at it because they don’t need to be good at it.

    In the 1950s and even into the ’60s, people demanded more of their leaders.

    After Vietnam and Watergate, folks said, “Fuck it – they’re all liars and crooks.” (They are.) Cynicism grew. The few who even bothered to vote got into the habit of picking the guy who came up with the snappier sound bite or the sharper commercial. Public-speaking skills atrophied.

    The man on the street knows that the system is corrupt and that he’s getting screwed. He’s not fooled by most of the bullshit politicians spew. But, at the same time, he knows there’s nothing he can do about it. So he settles for what he gets. Like you said, as long as he has his porn, his beer, his football games, and his funny YouTube clips, he doesn’t complain too loudly.

    Theoretically, if everyone woke up tomorrow and said, “Both parties are useless, so I’m never going to vote for a Republican or a Democrat ever again,” then the Republican and Democratic parties would be gone overnight. But that hasn’t happened, and it’s never going to happen.

    The voters don’t really matter, except to the extent that the mouthbreathers on one side or the other can be moved to swarm the polls. Hell, it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that the votes aren’t even counted, that the elections are totally rigged.

  85. @Sunbeam
    "I know that. But I thought it odd that he was lamenting the fact that our leaders aren’t all that good at speaking. I’m glad that they’re not more effective at bullshitting the masses than they already are. The worse they are at persuading others, the better.

    During the ’08 campaign, I heard others rave about Obama’s eloquence. Then I watched his speeches and thought, “Where’s the beef?” I also thought, “If a stiff like him spouting warmed-over bullshit about ‘hope and change’ can make people shiver with glee, imagine what a truly-gifted public speaker could do.”

    Many if not most folks yearn for a strong leader to tell them how to think, what to do, and where to go. I do not."

    That's nice, but I don't think you know what you are looking at.

    Do you think this country, whether you are talking about a mob in Ferguson, MO, or tie-dyers in Portland, OR, or even tea-party members somewhere are some seething mass just waiting for "The Leader" to come along and light the fire?

    Well if that is your fear, you don't have anything to worry about. This is a country of couch potatoes who take the path of least resistance. 1984 wasn't the future, these guys are giggling over soma and internet porn.

    It is irrelevant how charismatic these guys are honestly. At least as regards speaking ability. I doubt anyone with any real ability to sell anything ever would be allowed to become President. It really, really helps if they look good and can fire off one-liners (like any good comedian).

    But while you may feel comforted by their inarticulate nature, it bugs me to no end to flip through channels, find that damn state of the union address on, and listen to one or two minutes of the whole thing.

    It just disgusts me. The speeches are poorly written, and poorly delivered. They just plain suck at giving speeches, all of them.

    Not that I expect you to, but listen to run of the mill political speeches from the 60's and especially the 50's.

    It's like modern speeches are aimed at morons. Which is more puzzling because the huddled masses automatically flip over anything like this unless they don't have a choice (that State of the Union thing again). So just who are they trying to talk to if this is done on purpose?

    Ain't none of these guys William Jennings Bryan.

    So my point is, why do they suck so bad at this? Same reason that modern musicians can't sing even with autotune?

    My guesses:

    –increasing use of speechwriters, focus groups, polling, spokespeople, etc. Political speech has less to do with conviction than before, and more to do with marketing. The result is cheesy and insubstantial by design.

    –a less serious electorate. I get the sense that working- and middle-class Americans used to have bourgeois aspirations. They wanted to be upstanding citizens and have at least some exposure to high culture and civic matters. Thus there was a middlebrow market for good political speech (a middlebrow art form). Now, people dress down, speak with hip-hop colloquialisms, share a shamelessly low-brow pop culture, and are generally uninterested in being scholars-and-gentlemen.

    –less-substantial issues. The Great Depression, the World Wars, the Cold War, etc. mattered a lot to us. Most of the issues we talk about now are relatively frivolous. (Or, like ISIS and Ukraine, they matter a lot more to foreigners than to us.) Is it even possible to give a great speech on the subject of gay marriage?

    –Money. Big donors don’t need or want rhetorical fireworks. They want page 2,471 of the appropriations bill marked up just right.

    –fewer elite disagreements. Since both parties actually agree on a lot of fundamental points, the purpose of a speech is to be unobjectionable and not allow the other party to accuse you of saying something that actually dissents from the state ideology.

    –diversity. Ideas matter more in a homogenous society, whereas checking identity-politics boxes matters more in a diverse society. A white electorate hosted the Lincoln-Douglas debates. A diverse electorate hosts MLK hagiography.

    –no novelty. Back in the day, something like Roosevelt’s fireside chats (or, much more significantly, Triumph of the Will) would have been very novel and impressive. I don’t think any politician has yet used today’s communications technology in a really novel way.

    –a less European-oriented political establishment. Maybe politicians in earlier periods of American history looked more to the established Westminster political culture for inspiration. That parliamentary system lends itself to good speakers like Lloyd George or Churchill. But in an age of American cultural dominance, British political culture may just seem quaint.

    –materialism and secularism. We don’t seem to believe in God and Country the way we once did. More like Status and Stuff. What does a man like BO believe in? Christianity? I doubt it. His country? Ha! The world of comfortable yuppiness is nice, but it’s lacking in a certain ineffable vital force. You might as well expect a member of the Chinese politburo to speak from the heart.

  86. @p s c
    I've only recently learned phrases such as "kicking-up" and "punching down" and it seems to me that Walker focused his wrath on the low hanging fruit of public sector unions. Granted, the public sector unions should be destroyed, but Walker gave passes to the cops and firemen who deserve to be nipped as well.

    We should also cut the pay of The Troops. Lazy welfare queens.

  87. @Anonymous
    Alas, 'gentle, leftwinger-dom', the last and greatest redoubt of Nordic man, after he threw down his warrior phase and discovered the joy of civilization and eu-sociability is simply unattainable in the modern USA.
    So wave goodbye to soft, gentle, soothing voices (on the men), long, wise beards, melodic strumming on the guitar, yoghurt, sandals and kaftans.
    And in with the Republican Party devil- take -the- hindmost phallocracy, Randissm, Reagan, short brutal 1950s haircuts with horn rimmed glasses, Dickensian inequality and a good old-fashioned Texan f-you.
    Oh, and some typically nasty raucous music to give with it.

    If we don’t have our hard men standing ready at the walls to turn away the barbarians, we must all be hard men- defending our persons and property in our own communities.

    It really is much more civilized the other way, but it’s becoming too late for that now.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    More than a few hard men are out there making welfare babies.
  88. If you aren’t keen on this country becoming Aztlan or Brasil Norte, and you don’t want to be under the Koch brothers and their ilk’s thumb, where are you supposed to go?

    Jim Webb might be our last, best hope.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    More like another lesser evil. Like other Dem moderates in the Senate (Donnelly, Manchin, Heitkamp, and maybe some others) he mostly succumbed to white House arm twisting. It'd be a miracle if someone as sensible as he is came anywhere near to getting the Dem nomination.
  89. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    Walker is a very formidable candidate, because he's the ONLY one, I think, who can appeal to both the right-wing butjobs, and the mainstream. This is reflected in his surprising early polling leads (perhaps not nationally, but in Iowa, New Hampshire, and California, and I suspect this lead will also be reflected in the next batch of national polls), and I suspect he's not only a very formidable primary election candidate, but would be very tough to beat in the general as well. He's the Republican to watch, at this point.

    You say “right-wing nutjob” like it’s a bad thing.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "You say 'right-wing nutjob' like it’s a bad thing."

    I was just using it as an affectionate short-hand. I count myself among their number, rest assured.
  90. A candidate’s position on immigration should be very easy to quantify. How may legal immigrants will you push for and how many illegals will you tolerate? It would behoove the Patriotic immigration side to smoke out candidates as quickly as possible.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    How may legal immigrants will you push for and how many illegals will you tolerate?
     
    Better yet: How many hundreds of millions will your policy add to the population? Where will they live? What will they be paid?
  91. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @WhatEvvs
    Did it work, or did the TANF population just graduate to disability?

    I can tell you from my own vantage point they never left welfare but just no longer got cash grants therefore technically went off TANF. They continued to get Food Stamps, Medicaid and Section 8. Cash was just hustled up elsewhere through mysterious means, off the books. Anybody who could make a case for disability did so. This reduction of TANF is mostly political flim-flam. Cash grants for TANF weren’t all that high to begin with. Medicaid is what costs and so does Section 8.

  92. @FX Enderby
    Walker as president? The guy doesn't even have a college degree. The last man to do that was Coolidge and before that Grover Cleveland. It won't fly in our phony credential obsessed present era.

    Truman went to law school but didn’t finish. Coolidge graduated from Amherst; he passed the bar without going to law school. Walker has about 90% of the credits for a baccalaureate, from Marquette, a Jesuit school.

  93. @Chris Mallory

    If you aren’t keen on this country becoming Aztlan or Brasil Norte, and you don’t want to be under the Koch brothers and their ilk’s thumb, where are you supposed to go?
     
    Jim Webb might be our last, best hope.

    More like another lesser evil. Like other Dem moderates in the Senate (Donnelly, Manchin, Heitkamp, and maybe some others) he mostly succumbed to white House arm twisting. It’d be a miracle if someone as sensible as he is came anywhere near to getting the Dem nomination.

  94. @BurplesonAFB
    If we don't have our hard men standing ready at the walls to turn away the barbarians, we must all be hard men- defending our persons and property in our own communities.

    It really is much more civilized the other way, but it's becoming too late for that now.

    More than a few hard men are out there making welfare babies.

  95. @Anonymous
    It continues to astound me that AM radio is at the same time so influential and archaic. I only hope that it's because demographic on the right is older and therefore dwindling.

    some see a guy in a suit, and that's supposed to mean something...when I see a picture of Walker I see an Indiana Klansman with a tighty white tee shirt, cigs rolled up in the sleeve, carrying an ax handle.

    Mitt Romney also seemed laughably too white to me. – This is a new America in which Univision, the Spanish language network, is America’s top broadcast network, now beating CBS among some important demographic groups.
    As a bar owner in a largely African American and Hispanic community, my customers like me because I promote R&B and Hip Hop music events, and seem very accepted as a very soulful White guy.

    Mitt Romney also seemed laughably too white to me. – This is a new America in which Univision, the Spanish language network, is America’s top broadcast network, now beating CBS among some important demographic groups.

    Romney is Hispanic; he’s a Mexican-American.

  96. Jeb’s the pinata and Walker’s the worm in the bottom of the bottle…As they got drunker they would ask to have “the worm” (bleagh … Mexico City entrepreneur Jacobo Lozano Paez hit on the idea of putting a worm in each bottle as a … If you get them drunker he’ll look more attractive.

  97. “Hey, mescal is about as palatable as paint remover, and the only people who are going to drink this stuff are macho lunatics, so why not take it to the max? In fairness, the worms were also said to have aphrodisiac properties, and worms and bugs are sometimes consumed in Mexico as a delicacy. (Supposedly this dates back to the Aztecs.) At any rate, the ploy worked and the worm in the bottle is now a firmly established tradition.” http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1334/why-is-there-a-worm-in-bottles-of-tequila

    Bartender! Paint remover all around! And a worm for the little lady over there!

  98. Romney is Hispanic; he’s a Mexican-American.

    Cruz is a Cuban-Canadian.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Romney is Hispanic; he’s a Mexican-American."

    Mitt Romney is a White American, born in Detroit, Michigan. His father, George, was a White American who, by accident of geography,* was born in Chihuahua, Mexico.


    *Simlar examples are John McCain, born in the Panama Canal Zone, and Lowell Weicker, born in Paris. These things happen.
  99. @Anonymous
    I live in Wisconsin and I have not voted for Walker, but I have been surprised by how taken aback the liberals are by how much support Walker has received in the state. Clearly, if they were readers of iSteve, they would have a clue about where his support is coming from, and how angry the taxpayers are about supporting a large number of people who are also responsible for most of the crimes in the state. But this anger is always depicted as racism when it does make it into the mainstream and left-wing media, and so the left dismisses it out of hand and thereby underestimates it as a political force.

    On the other hand, Walker has been a one-trick pony when it comes to governing the state - all he knows how to do is cut - cut the budget and cut taxes. Even the Walker voters I have spoken with admit that he has not done very much to improve the business climate in the state, in fact it is probably fair to say that his cuts have made the economy in Wisconsin worse. His amiability goes hand in hand with a lack of imagination and the absence of any vision for the future. But the politics of punishment has a strong appeal when substantive issues cannot be discussed for fear of giving offense.

    If the Democrats have become the coalition of everyone who is not a white male or a married white female, how are Republicans going to win with the demographically shrinking white vote, many who are working class and union members or sympathetic to unions?

    What is Right-to-Work in Wisconsin all about? Yes, unions are socialism and the handmaidens of the Democrats and everything that you are not. But Governor Romney’s remark about wanting the free market to operate in a GM bankruptcy contributed to a lot of working class voters staying home in Ohio, no? What is Right-to-Work going to do for Mr. Walker?

    What does the combination of Open Borders and Right-to-Work have to offer but more downward pressure on wage earners? Politics of punishment, but punishing whom?

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Romney would not have been hurt by the GM bankruptcy thing if he had had any money to spend in the Midwest in the summer months of the 2012 campaign. His problem was he was going against an incumbent with no competition and with no spending limits because he didn't accept federal matching funds, and Romney had burned through all his cash in the primaries. The week Romney went abroad to Europe and whatnot, Obama and his allied campaign organizations basically carpet bombed the Midwest with ads on radio and TV. I live in Ohio and the Obama campaign bought over 1700 TV and radio ads in the state that week alone, every one of them portraying Romney as Ebenezer Scrooge.

    After he got back still no Romney ads, just like in the previous month and the subsequent month, I did not see or hear even 1 Romney ad until early August. Obama had basically unlimited cash when Romney was broke and he spent a ton of it in swing states like most of the Midwest, and they were all negative, nothing positive to say about Obama himself, just Romney sticking it to the working man. That's why the GM bankruptcy thing had so much traction, no counterpoints in May, June, and July at all, even in August when Romney finally did start to spend, he was still being outspent 3 or 4-1 until the conventions.

  100. @Inquiring Mind
    If the Democrats have become the coalition of everyone who is not a white male or a married white female, how are Republicans going to win with the demographically shrinking white vote, many who are working class and union members or sympathetic to unions?

    What is Right-to-Work in Wisconsin all about? Yes, unions are socialism and the handmaidens of the Democrats and everything that you are not. But Governor Romney's remark about wanting the free market to operate in a GM bankruptcy contributed to a lot of working class voters staying home in Ohio, no? What is Right-to-Work going to do for Mr. Walker?

    What does the combination of Open Borders and Right-to-Work have to offer but more downward pressure on wage earners? Politics of punishment, but punishing whom?

    Romney would not have been hurt by the GM bankruptcy thing if he had had any money to spend in the Midwest in the summer months of the 2012 campaign. His problem was he was going against an incumbent with no competition and with no spending limits because he didn’t accept federal matching funds, and Romney had burned through all his cash in the primaries. The week Romney went abroad to Europe and whatnot, Obama and his allied campaign organizations basically carpet bombed the Midwest with ads on radio and TV. I live in Ohio and the Obama campaign bought over 1700 TV and radio ads in the state that week alone, every one of them portraying Romney as Ebenezer Scrooge.

    After he got back still no Romney ads, just like in the previous month and the subsequent month, I did not see or hear even 1 Romney ad until early August. Obama had basically unlimited cash when Romney was broke and he spent a ton of it in swing states like most of the Midwest, and they were all negative, nothing positive to say about Obama himself, just Romney sticking it to the working man. That’s why the GM bankruptcy thing had so much traction, no counterpoints in May, June, and July at all, even in August when Romney finally did start to spend, he was still being outspent 3 or 4-1 until the conventions.

    • Replies: @matt
    I live in Ohio and the Obama campaign bought over 1700 TV and radio ads in the state that week alone, every one of them portraying Romney as Ebenezer Scrooge.

    And it was easy to portray him that way, because he literally is Ebenezer Scrooge.
  101. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Don't forget the other mandatory pilgrimage for Republican candidates so they are properly vetted by the TPTB.

    By David Sherfinski - The Washington Times - Tuesday, January 20, 2015

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker said this week that he’ll probably travel to Israel in the near future — a trip that’s become almost a required pilgrimage for presidential candidates, particularly Republicans.

    “I haven’t got a date yet, but I’ve had multiple requests to go, so we’ll probably try to find a way,” Mr. Walker told reporters in Wisconsin, the Journal Sentinel reported. “Previously, in the last four years the consul general’s office from Israel asked me a number of times to come and talk about water technology, other trade missions, so we’ll probably try to figure out some way to do that.”
     
    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/20/scott-walker-hints-trip-israel/#ixzz3SxjPviAY
    Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

    Don’t forget the other mandatory pilgrimage for Republican candidates so they are properly vetted by the TPTB.

    Any candidate who goes to Israel on a true listening tour– “Bibi, tell me about your wall. How you deal with the infiltrators, etc. “– will not only get my vote, he might get my check as well. For what it’s worth.

  102. @Prof. Woland
    A candidate's position on immigration should be very easy to quantify. How may legal immigrants will you push for and how many illegals will you tolerate? It would behoove the Patriotic immigration side to smoke out candidates as quickly as possible.

    How may legal immigrants will you push for and how many illegals will you tolerate?

    Better yet: How many hundreds of millions will your policy add to the population? Where will they live? What will they be paid?

  103. @Unladen Swallow
    Romney would not have been hurt by the GM bankruptcy thing if he had had any money to spend in the Midwest in the summer months of the 2012 campaign. His problem was he was going against an incumbent with no competition and with no spending limits because he didn't accept federal matching funds, and Romney had burned through all his cash in the primaries. The week Romney went abroad to Europe and whatnot, Obama and his allied campaign organizations basically carpet bombed the Midwest with ads on radio and TV. I live in Ohio and the Obama campaign bought over 1700 TV and radio ads in the state that week alone, every one of them portraying Romney as Ebenezer Scrooge.

    After he got back still no Romney ads, just like in the previous month and the subsequent month, I did not see or hear even 1 Romney ad until early August. Obama had basically unlimited cash when Romney was broke and he spent a ton of it in swing states like most of the Midwest, and they were all negative, nothing positive to say about Obama himself, just Romney sticking it to the working man. That's why the GM bankruptcy thing had so much traction, no counterpoints in May, June, and July at all, even in August when Romney finally did start to spend, he was still being outspent 3 or 4-1 until the conventions.

    I live in Ohio and the Obama campaign bought over 1700 TV and radio ads in the state that week alone, every one of them portraying Romney as Ebenezer Scrooge.

    And it was easy to portray him that way, because he literally is Ebenezer Scrooge.

  104. @Dutch Boy
    Amen. Kissing Adelson's ass, er, ring while simultaneously making an enemy of Wisconsin's unionized whites will sink him regardless of his skin shade.

    making an enemy of Wisconsin’s unionized whites…

    Unionized whites have been an enemy of normal whites since I was in kneepants. The AFL-CIO stood up for Hart-Celler in 1964.

  105. “Romney is Hispanic; he’s a Mexican-American.”

    Mitt Romney was born in Detroit and is of English, Scottish, and German ancestry. Detroit is not located in Mexico and he does not have a single drop of Aztec, Mayan, or Spanish Iberian Conquistador ancestry.

    Mitt Romney was born in Detroit and is genetically 100 percent Northern European WASP descent. So how the hell does that equal Mexican/Hispanic?

    Charlie Sheen is more Hispanic compared to Mitt Romney and even Charlie Sheen himself is barely Hispanic because he is 75 percent Irish, only 25 percent Conquistador, and speaks no Spanish.

    • Replies: @anon
    The guy you replied to was tongue in cheek. Romney's father was born in some Mormon settlement on the Mexican side of the border.
    , @Hipster
    Romney Sr. was born in Mexico wasn't he?

    Romney Sr.'s parents were Americans who went to Mexico, had Romney Sr. there, and then Romney Sr. came back to America. Obviously not what most people think of as "Mexican" but he was born there so he's as Mexican as a child of Mexican parents born here is American.

    I knew a kid in college who was startlingly dumb, possibly 70s IQ. None of us knew how he got in, he was a white Jewish kid. He said he put Latino on his college application. His grandparents had fled Germany while the fleeing was good, moved to Argentina, then come to the U.S.

    Latino indeed.

    In the future, I don't see why people wouldn't cynically put Latino on their college admissions. A bright kid could make the leap from good-but-unimpressive college to truly-impressive college.

  106. @Jefferson
    "Romney is Hispanic; he’s a Mexican-American."

    Mitt Romney was born in Detroit and is of English, Scottish, and German ancestry. Detroit is not located in Mexico and he does not have a single drop of Aztec, Mayan, or Spanish Iberian Conquistador ancestry.

    Mitt Romney was born in Detroit and is genetically 100 percent Northern European WASP descent. So how the hell does that equal Mexican/Hispanic?

    Charlie Sheen is more Hispanic compared to Mitt Romney and even Charlie Sheen himself is barely Hispanic because he is 75 percent Irish, only 25 percent Conquistador, and speaks no Spanish.

    The guy you replied to was tongue in cheek. Romney’s father was born in some Mormon settlement on the Mexican side of the border.

  107. What cities or regions of the country still have black people doing most of the service jobs that Latinos do in most places? A friend told me that St. Louis was still rather like this when he went there.

  108. @Jefferson
    "Romney is Hispanic; he’s a Mexican-American."

    Mitt Romney was born in Detroit and is of English, Scottish, and German ancestry. Detroit is not located in Mexico and he does not have a single drop of Aztec, Mayan, or Spanish Iberian Conquistador ancestry.

    Mitt Romney was born in Detroit and is genetically 100 percent Northern European WASP descent. So how the hell does that equal Mexican/Hispanic?

    Charlie Sheen is more Hispanic compared to Mitt Romney and even Charlie Sheen himself is barely Hispanic because he is 75 percent Irish, only 25 percent Conquistador, and speaks no Spanish.

    Romney Sr. was born in Mexico wasn’t he?

    Romney Sr.’s parents were Americans who went to Mexico, had Romney Sr. there, and then Romney Sr. came back to America. Obviously not what most people think of as “Mexican” but he was born there so he’s as Mexican as a child of Mexican parents born here is American.

    I knew a kid in college who was startlingly dumb, possibly 70s IQ. None of us knew how he got in, he was a white Jewish kid. He said he put Latino on his college application. His grandparents had fled Germany while the fleeing was good, moved to Argentina, then come to the U.S.

    Latino indeed.

    In the future, I don’t see why people wouldn’t cynically put Latino on their college admissions. A bright kid could make the leap from good-but-unimpressive college to truly-impressive college.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    "I knew a kid in college who was startlingly dumb, possibly 70s IQ. None of us knew how he got in, he was a white Jewish kid."

    I've wondered for a while about retardation rates among Ashkenazim Jews.

    We know about the high rate of some mutations amongst them that are linked to high intelligence (are these unique to them or "concentrated?").

    But I've seen statements that Ashekenazim Jews are all highly related, such that it is hard to find two that aren't as related as 3rd or 4th cousins in another population would be.

    Additionally there is that Rabbi or whatever from NYC who has the genetic testing concern for things like Tay Sacchs.

    But my question is there are genes for high intelligence in that population. But wouldn't you also tend to have genes that contribute to retardation bumping up against each other as well?

    I'd expect for Jewish retardation rates to be higher than other populations, but I really don't know.

    Anyone got any insight on this?
  109. @Dave Pinsen
    Some state with a low cost of living, mild winters, and not much else going for it ought to make a deal with the other 49 states: it will raise its welfare benefits to 100% over the national average in return for each of the other 49 states kicking in an annual tribute of, say, 2% of their state's GDP.

    Could be a win-win for everyone.

    Maybe we could put that deal in Puerto Rico’s constitution as a condition of it becoming the 51st state.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Or they could make that agreement now. Interesting choice.
  110. @Harry Baldwin
    You say "right-wing nutjob" like it's a bad thing.

    “You say ‘right-wing nutjob’ like it’s a bad thing.”

    I was just using it as an affectionate short-hand. I count myself among their number, rest assured.

  111. @X
    Romney is Hispanic; he’s a Mexican-American.

    Cruz is a Cuban-Canadian.

    “Romney is Hispanic; he’s a Mexican-American.”

    Mitt Romney is a White American, born in Detroit, Michigan. His father, George, was a White American who, by accident of geography,* was born in Chihuahua, Mexico.

    *Simlar examples are John McCain, born in the Panama Canal Zone, and Lowell Weicker, born in Paris. These things happen.

  112. I noticed something very interesting about Wisconsin last year.

    With the obvious exception of Paul Ryan, the Republican congressmen from Wisconsin were all “paleocons”.

    Sean Duffy, Reid Ribble, James Sensenbrenner, and Tom Petri all voted against arming the Free Syria Army, and they all had NumbersUSA career scores of A- or higher.

    Judged on those two criteria, the Republicans of the Wisconsin delegation to the House of Representatives were even more conservative than their colleagues from White Evangelical stronghold states such as Alabama and Tennessee – which is saying a lot!

  113. @p s c
    Walker passed on taking on the cops and firemen b/c he was not willing to fight. And public sector union employees, while being part of the Dem machine, don't have much juice.

    Kind of like Pro-Life Republicans. The GOP is pleased to have their votes but will do little to advance the cause of Pro-Life policies.

    State DMV, DOT, and public school teachers are pikers compared to big-bankers, lawyers, and corporations that outsource jobs. Public sector clerks and what little power they have will eventually be crushed just like UAW workers and the now defanged Teamsters. Just happy to have a job like everyone else.

    And public sector union employees, while being part of the Dem machine, don’t have much juice.

    Rubbish. You made a stupid remark. Quit doubling down.

  114. @Hipster
    Romney Sr. was born in Mexico wasn't he?

    Romney Sr.'s parents were Americans who went to Mexico, had Romney Sr. there, and then Romney Sr. came back to America. Obviously not what most people think of as "Mexican" but he was born there so he's as Mexican as a child of Mexican parents born here is American.

    I knew a kid in college who was startlingly dumb, possibly 70s IQ. None of us knew how he got in, he was a white Jewish kid. He said he put Latino on his college application. His grandparents had fled Germany while the fleeing was good, moved to Argentina, then come to the U.S.

    Latino indeed.

    In the future, I don't see why people wouldn't cynically put Latino on their college admissions. A bright kid could make the leap from good-but-unimpressive college to truly-impressive college.

    “I knew a kid in college who was startlingly dumb, possibly 70s IQ. None of us knew how he got in, he was a white Jewish kid.”

    I’ve wondered for a while about retardation rates among Ashkenazim Jews.

    We know about the high rate of some mutations amongst them that are linked to high intelligence (are these unique to them or “concentrated?”).

    But I’ve seen statements that Ashekenazim Jews are all highly related, such that it is hard to find two that aren’t as related as 3rd or 4th cousins in another population would be.

    Additionally there is that Rabbi or whatever from NYC who has the genetic testing concern for things like Tay Sacchs.

    But my question is there are genes for high intelligence in that population. But wouldn’t you also tend to have genes that contribute to retardation bumping up against each other as well?

    I’d expect for Jewish retardation rates to be higher than other populations, but I really don’t know.

    Anyone got any insight on this?

  115. @Anonymous
    It continues to astound me that AM radio is at the same time so influential and archaic. I only hope that it's because demographic on the right is older and therefore dwindling.

    some see a guy in a suit, and that's supposed to mean something...when I see a picture of Walker I see an Indiana Klansman with a tighty white tee shirt, cigs rolled up in the sleeve, carrying an ax handle.

    Mitt Romney also seemed laughably too white to me. – This is a new America in which Univision, the Spanish language network, is America’s top broadcast network, now beating CBS among some important demographic groups.
    As a bar owner in a largely African American and Hispanic community, my customers like me because I promote R&B and Hip Hop music events, and seem very accepted as a very soulful White guy.

    “I promote R&B and Hip Hop music events, and seem very accepted as a very soulful White guy.”

    I’m not so sure I believe you own a bar, but what I do know, whether you do or don’t, is that there is nothing sadder than a grown man thinking “soulful” or “cool” is important to his manhood or his humanity.

    You sound 17 or very uneducated 26.

  116. Scott Walker – that tribune of the people – is getting out his kneepads for the guys on Wall Street:

    Walker Draws Wall Street Cash

    Sure, it was great that Walker stuck it to those public-employee union slugs. They had it coming.

    But when push comes to shove, he’s just another front-man for the hostile elite – a smarter and less abrasive version of Chris Christie.

    How long before Walker pays his fealty to AIPAC and makes his mandatory visit to the wailing wall? How long before he’s putting out ads in spanish on Univision? He’s no different than any of the rest of ’em.

  117. As Scott Walker advances he has to pursue an outsider image and outside the Beltway hiring policies for his campaign. Hiring from outside the Boston-NY-Washington corridor of finance and Federal Government that are glorified skimming operations that only take and steal from the various States. His top advisers should be solid, non-vibrant Mid Western types. If he resorts to hiring Harvard- Yale-Ivy League wise guys you’ll know he is not to be trusted

  118. @Whiskey
    Whiteness has to be understood as code for cool, hip, upper class. The rage against Sarah Palin, instead of any number of conservative women (like Elizabeth Dole, or Nikki Haley) is all about CLASS. A lower class White woman "not knowing her place." And being uppity.

    Whiteness, in the middle class attributes of the public image of say, Mitt Romney, or Scott Walker (regardless of their real personas visible only to friends and intimates) has been defined as boring and downwardly mobile. Also, critically, unsexy in men. Denoting a lack of Alpha dominance. It is a weapon used by other Upper Class Whites against the Middle Class White Male group.

    Bill Clinton is a good example. He strove to avoid being "White," with thinly disguised womanizing, gargantuan appetites for food as well as sex, playing the saxophone, the celebrity pals, etc.

    Scott Walker probably IS unelectable. Not for any policies but for his personality and background and persona.

    What the would-be upper classes among Whites want, particularly women, is a "cool/hip" persona. And the approval of the media, particularly the women on the View, Ellen, Oprah, etc. Sad but true. Roissy's Cocky-funny indifferent Alpha. A Bill Clinton, an Obama, a JFK, who combines aggression absent the White middle class with Aristocratic pretensions. For JFK it was (a newly rich Irish-American corrupt pol family) aping the ways of the old Preppy Class, with more than a hint of gangsters and sexual depravity. For Obama, it was the rap star pals and his noted "cool" demeanor making him the fantasy of every female writer for the NYT.

    I don't think MANY White voters really care if someone said something mean about Blacks, or had a disparate impact on Black people in Milwaukee, or really anything but personality filtered through the media. This is why guys like Clinton, and Bush, and Obama got elected.

    Consider the 2000 election. Was there any reason to choose George W. Bush? Should the election have been even close with the relative good times? The media environment magnified the beta male shortcomings, the erratic robotic nature of Al Gore, making Bush the default choice. Fast forward to "Reporting for Duty" Lurch, aka Kerry, in 2004 and you get the same thing -- Bush wins by being the least obnoxious personality on offer. It was OK for JFK to yacht with the family while most knew through the grapevine that he was also banging Marilyn Monroe. Kerry windsurfing in a pink polka dot wetsuit or donning that contamination suit just confirmed people's view of him. Like Dukakis looking like Snoopy on that tank.

    Hillary! is enormously vulnerable, she has a lead ear and bitchy, entitled persona with a grating voice combined with an elitist public attitude. [Elitist policies are forgiven if the IMAGE is populist.] But Walker is not the guy. Republicans need someone with an A-hole attitude with hints of vulnerability. [Jeb Bush is even worse, persona wise.]

    Someone now "White" but hip. Edgy. "Dangerous." Someone like the late Chris Kyle. Believe me, that he killed a bunch of people would have even the most hard-core PETA/Code Pink woman voting for him.

    I don’t totally disagree. I think Christie, for all his faults, has the alpha personality that can be simultaneously conservative and hip. I wouldn’t count him out yet.

  119. “I’d expect for Jewish retardation rates to be higher than other populations,”

    So you think Jews have a higher retardation rate than Blacks and Mestizos? Are you on crack? If there were so many Jews with IQs low enough to be considered legally retarded, how did Jews become the most successful ethnic group in the history of mankind. IQ and success definitely go hand and hand most of the time.

    Jews have the lowest poverty rate in the world. Jews make up less than 1 percent of the world population yet make up a very high percentage of the world’s billionaires and millionaires. Does that sound like an ethnic group that has a low IQ retardation problem?

    If there were so many Jews with extremely low IQs, there would be lot of Jews in New York and Florida for example working at low skill jobs like KFC and Subway.

    Yet Jews are vastly underrepresented in such low skill jobs like fast food. Jewish parents would probably have a heart attack if their adult son or daughter worked at such bottom rung jobs.

  120. @a Newsreader
    Maybe we could put that deal in Puerto Rico's constitution as a condition of it becoming the 51st state.

    Or they could make that agreement now. Interesting choice.

  121. @Anonymous
    It continues to astound me that AM radio is at the same time so influential and archaic. I only hope that it's because demographic on the right is older and therefore dwindling.

    some see a guy in a suit, and that's supposed to mean something...when I see a picture of Walker I see an Indiana Klansman with a tighty white tee shirt, cigs rolled up in the sleeve, carrying an ax handle.

    Mitt Romney also seemed laughably too white to me. – This is a new America in which Univision, the Spanish language network, is America’s top broadcast network, now beating CBS among some important demographic groups.
    As a bar owner in a largely African American and Hispanic community, my customers like me because I promote R&B and Hip Hop music events, and seem very accepted as a very soulful White guy.

    I think this is supposed to be funny. I mean — claiming he’s a “soulful” white guy with a bar, being pat on the back by blacks (not stabbed? well, that’s progress) and hispanics (do they really bar together that much) is pretty hilarious. Maybe he’s a Tim Wise fantasy, with the laughable white eagerness to be replaced by those non-laughable groups (what planet is our bar-owner on?) who have proven to make everyplace they touch a better place.

  122. It wasn’t until the ’60s that African Americans started to drift into Milwaukee in large numbers.

    How about a little deconstructionism?

    Tumbleweeds “drift”. Sand “drifts”. Driftwood “drifts”. Passive, inanimate things “drift”. Human beings (on the other hand) “immigrate” or “move”.

    But it wouldn’t sound so nice if they said that blacks “immigrated” to Wisconsin, or they “poured into” Wisconsin, would it?

    If the NYT did use an active verb, Negro intentionality would immediately raise a question in the reader’s mind: “If Wisconsin is so miserable, why did Negros start migrating there in such large numbers?”

    To ask it is to answer it.

    The proper response to the NYT is, “If they just ‘drifted’ in, what on earth is stopping them from just ‘drifting’ out?”

  123. @DCThrowback
    Correct, and then throw in the fact the media needs blood in the water as it anoints a new front runner only to tear them down and allow a new target to emerge in order to keep people's interest in the charade.

    Walker is one of the least worst choices, so his roasting over the spit will be endure longer and harder than the others. Here's to hoping he can survive - he seems to have the mental makeup to get through it.

    He'd be the toughest out if he was staunchly anti-amnesty, but I reckon he has to balance his populist leanings w/ also being the Koch guy.

    Don’t be distracted by his patter. Keep your eyes on his hands.

    Walker is opening Mexican consulates in Wisconsin to better serve the Mexican illegal population.

    He is a bleeding heart liberal. He will do absolutely nothing about illegal immigration.

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