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The New York Times has finally published their notorious article doxing Scott Alexander, the pseudonymous psychiatrist who wrote the Slate Star Codex blog (which is now revived as Astral Codex Ten on Substack). The author prudently shut down his blog because his patients, which include numerous crazy people, might lash out violently if informed by the NYT of his writing.

Cade Metz’s article now goes off in weird directions, like linking Scott to the the comparably verbose Mencius Moldbug despite their massive ideological differences, because the point is that there are smart guys in Northern California who aren’t part of what The Resistance has turned into: The Submission. And they … must … be … destroyed. Because independent thinking threatens the hegemony of the Woke.

You can kind of tell from reading between the lines that Metz is sympathetic to the resistance to Wokeness, but also that he will sell them out because it would destroy his career to not do so.

Silicon Valley’s Safe Space

Slate Star Codex was a window into the psyche of many tech leaders building our collective future. Then it disappeared.

By Cade Metz
Feb. 13, 2021, 5:00 a.m. ET

The website had a homely, almost slapdash design with a light blue banner and a strange name: Slate Star Codex.

It was nominally a blog, written by a Bay Area psychiatrist who called himself Scott Alexander (a near anagram of Slate Star Codex). It was also the epicenter of a community called the Rationalists, a group that aimed to re-examine the world through cold and careful thought.

In a style that was erudite, funny, strange and astoundingly verbose, the blog explored everything from science and medicine to philosophy and politics to the rise of artificial intelligence. It challenged popular ideas and upheld the right to discuss contentious issues. This might involve a new take on the genetics of depression or criticism of the #MeToo movement. As a result, the conversation that thrived at the end of each blog post — and in related forums on the discussion site Reddit — attracted an unusually wide range of voices.

“It is the one place I know of online where you can have civil conversations among people with a wide range of views,” said David Friedman, an economist and legal scholar [Milton Friedman’s son, who is a great guy] who was a regular part of the discussion. Fellow commenters on the site, he noted, represented a wide cross-section of viewpoints. “They range politically from communist to anarcho-capitalist, religiously from Catholic to atheist, and professionally from a literal rocket scientist to a literal plumber — both of whom are interesting people.”

The voices also included white supremacists and neo-fascists. The only people who struggled to be heard, Dr. Friedman said, were “social justice warriors.” They were considered a threat to one of the core beliefs driving the discussion: free speech.

There were plenty of social justice warriors commenting on Slate Star Codex, especially high IQ ex-men. They tended, however, to lose arguments because only emotions rather than facts and logic were on their side.

I suspect that David Friedman, who, like many readers of Scott Alexander, is a brilliant but naive nerd didn’t realize the NYT was out to destroy a lovely intellectual playground simply because it was outside the NYT’s control.

As the national discourse melted down in 2020, as the presidential race gathered steam, the pandemic spread and protests mounted against police violence, many in the tech industry saw the attitudes fostered on Slate Star Codex as a better way forward. They deeply distrusted the mainstream media and generally preferred discussion to take place on their own terms, without scrutiny from the outside world. The ideas they exchanged were often controversial — connected to gender, race and inherent ability, for example — and voices who might push back were kept at bay.

If only People of Intersectionality weren’t somehow kept at bay, they no doubt would have crushed Scott Alexander with their comments. That they didn’t proves that Alexander is bad.

Slate Star Codex was a window into the Silicon Valley psyche. There are good reasons to try and understand that psyche, because the decisions made by tech companies and the people who run them eventually affect millions.

And Silicon Valley, a community of iconoclasts, is struggling to decide what’s off limits for all of us.

At Twitter and Facebook, leaders were reluctant to remove words from their platforms — even when those words were untrue or could lead to violence.

The number of murders of blacks by blacks inspired by idiotic social media beefs on Twitter and Facebook number in the thousands, but nobody cares because that’s just blacks murdering blacks, so it doesn’t fit in The Narrative of White Man Bad.

At some A.I. labs, they release products — including facial recognition systems, digital assistants and chatbots — even while knowing they can be biased against women and people of color, and sometimes spew hateful speech.

The racist robots are out of control.

Why hold anything back? That was often the answer a Rationalist would arrive at.

James Madison and John Stuart Mill did too.

But now they are The Enemy.

And perhaps the clearest and most influential place to watch that thinking unfold was on Mr. Alexander’s blog.

“It is no surprise that this has caught on among the tech industry. The tech industry loves disrupters and disruptive thought,” said Elizabeth Sandifer, a scholar who closely follows and documents the Rationalists. “But this can lead to real problems. The contrarian nature of these ideas makes them appealing to people who maybe don’t think enough about the consequences.”

The allure of the ideas within Silicon Valley is what made Mr. Alexander, who had also written under his given name, Scott XXXXX [I’m not going to publish Scott’s real last name because iSteve is not an irresponsible, violence-tempting publication like the NYT], and his blog essential reading.

Doxing people seems to be a big thing lately at the New York Times. For example, recently the racist 1619 lady Nikole Hannah-Jones tweeted out the phone number of a reporter she hated.

But in late June of last year, when I approached Mr. XXXXX to discuss the blog, it vanished.

Well, yeah, the New York Times publishing the name of a writer who is also psychiatrist who works with crazy people was an obvious threat of mayhem on political grounds.

By the way, why is it crucial to refer to “Dr. Jill Biden” when she is a low-brow Ed. D., but to “Mr. Scott XXXXX” when he is a legit psychiatrist?

… Many Rationalists embraced “effective altruism,” an effort to remake charity by calculating how many people would benefit from a given donation. Some embraced the online writings of “neoreactionaries” like Curtis Yarvin, who held racist beliefs and decried American democracy.

Mencius Moldbug.

Scott Alexander and Mencius Moldbug propound strikingly different ideologies, which they would be happy to inform you about at length. But neither man finds the reigning dogmas of feminized Woke drivel to be intellectually satisfying, so … it’s as if they are part of a vast non-leftist conspiracy to not submit, so something must be done about them.

They were mostly white men, but not entirely.

But being white men, they were Bad.

… The Rationalists held regular meet-ups around the world, from Silicon Valley to Amsterdam to Australia. Some lived in group houses. Some practiced polyamory. “They are basically just hippies who talk a lot more about Bayes’ theorem than the original hippies,” said Scott Aaronson, a University of Texas professor who has stayed in one of the group houses.

Last June, as I was reporting on the Rationalists and Slate Star Codex, I called Sam Altman, chief executive of OpenAI, an artificial intelligence lab backed by a billion dollars from Microsoft. He was effusive in his praise of the blog.

It was, he said, essential reading among “the people inventing the future” in the tech industry.

Mr. Altman, who had risen to prominence as the president of the start-up accelerator Y Combinator, moved on to other subjects before hanging up. But he called back. He wanted to talk about an essay that appeared on the blog in 2014.

The essay was a critique of what Mr. XXXXX, writing as Scott Alexander, described as “the Blue Tribe.” In his telling, these were the people at the liberal end of the political spectrum whose characteristics included “supporting gay rights” and “getting conspicuously upset about sexists and bigots.”

But as the man behind Slate Star Codex saw it, there was one group the Blue Tribe could not tolerate: anyone who did not agree with the Blue Tribe. “Doesn’t sound quite so noble now, does it?” he wrote.

Mr. Altman thought the essay nailed a big problem: In the face of the “internet mob” that guarded against sexism and racism, entrepreneurs had less room to explore new ideas. Many of their ideas, such as intelligence augmentation and genetic engineering, ran afoul of the Blue Tribe.

Mr. XXXXX was not a member of the Blue Tribe. He was not a voice from the conservative Red Tribe (“opposing gay marriage,” “getting conspicuously upset about terrorists and commies”). He identified with something called the Grey Tribe — as did many in Silicon Valley.

The Grey Tribe was characterized by libertarian beliefs, atheism, “vague annoyance that the question of gay rights even comes up,” and “reading lots of blogs,” he wrote. Most significantly, it believed in absolute free speech.

The essay on these tribes, Mr. Altman told me, was an inflection point for Silicon Valley. “It was a moment that people talked about a lot, lot, lot,” he said.

He did not mention names. But Slate Star Codex carried an endorsement from Paul Graham, founder of Y Combinator. It was read by Patrick Collison, chief executive of Stripe, the billion-dollar start-up that emerged from the accelerator. Venture capitalists like Marc Andreessen, and Ben Horowitz followed the blog on Twitter.

I’m struck by how the NYT is obsessed with the doxing the identities of bloggers Scott Alexander and Mencius Moldbug, but not with the doxing that Ben Horowitz is the son of David Horowitz, much like they won’t report that David Friedman is the son of ultra-famous Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman. All six of these brilliant people are Jewish, but for some reason mentioning their dads is off limits, probably because NYT subscribers won’t notice that that Metz’s article is anti-Semitic unless he mentions the elder Friedman and Horowitz.

And in some ways, two of the world’s prominent A.I. labs — organizations that are tackling some of the tech industry’s most ambitious and potentially powerful projects — grew out of the Rationalist movement.

In 2005, Peter Thiel, the co-founder of PayPal and an early investor in Facebook, befriended Mr. Yudkowsky and gave money to MIRI. In 2010, at Mr. Thiel’s San Francisco townhouse, Mr. Yudkowsky introduced him to a pair of young researchers named Shane Legg and Demis Hassabis. That fall, with an investment from Mr. Thiel’s firm, the two created an A.I. lab called DeepMind.

Like the Rationalists, they believed that A.I could end up turning against humanity, and because they held this belief, they felt they were among the only ones who were prepared to built it in a safe way.

In 2014, Google bought DeepMind for $650 million. The next year, Elon Musk — who also worried A.I. could destroy the world and met his partner, Grimes, because they shared an interest in a Rationalist thought experiment — founded OpenAI as a DeepMind competitor. Both labs hired from the Rationalist community.

The immigrants Thiel and Musk must be destroyed.

Or at least forced to donate billions to Ibram X. Kendi.

The fact that America’s greatest living African-American is a white guy is simply intolerable.

Part of the appeal of Slate Star Codex, faithful readers said, was Mr. XXXXX’s willingness to step outside acceptable topics. But he wrote in a wordy, often roundabout way that left many wondering what he really believed.

Mr. Aaronson, the University of Texas professor, was turned off by the more rigid and contrarian beliefs of the Rationalists, but he is one of the blog’s biggest champions and deeply admired that it didn’t avoid live-wire topics.

“It must have taken incredible guts for Scott to express his thoughts, misgivings and questions about some major ideological pillars of the modern world so openly, even if protected by a quasi-pseudonym,” he said.

It was the protection of that “quasi-pseudonym” that rankled Mr. XXXXX when I first got in touch with him. He declined to comment for this article.

As he explored science, philosophy and A.I., he also argued that the media ignored that men were often harassed by women. He described some feminists as something close to Voldemort, the embodiment of evil in the Harry Potter books. He said that affirmative action was difficult to distinguish from “discriminating against white men.”

You’ll notice that this article doesn’t quote any full sentences from Scott or Curtis, just tiny fragments of their endless oeuvres.

In one post, he aligned himself with Charles Murray, who proposed a link between race and I.Q. in “The Bell Curve.”

Scott is Guilty By Association! Actually, what Scott wrote is:

The only public figure I can think of in the southeast quadrant with me is Charles Murray. Neither he nor I would dare reduce all class differences to heredity, and he in particular has some very sophisticated theories about class and culture. But he shares my skepticism that the 55 year old Kentucky trucker can be taught to code, and I don’t think he’s too sanguine about the trucker’s kids either. His solution is a basic income guarantee, and I guess that’s mine too.

The NYT goes on:

In another, he pointed out that Mr. Murray believes Black people “are genetically less intelligent than white people.”

In other words, Dr. Alexander did not say he agreed with Dr. Murray on race-IQ. But the point is that at some indeterminate point, Alexander expressed alignment with Murray on a different issue, so he must be destroyed.

He denounced the neoreactionaries, the anti-democratic, often racist movement popularized by Curtis Yarvin. But he also gave them a platform.

What could be worse than listening to people you disagree with? You’ll never see Cade Metz doing that. Not not never.

His “blog roll” — the blogs he endorsed — included the work of Nick Land, a British philosopher whose writings on race, genetics and intelligence have been embraced by white nationalists.

In 2017, Mr. XXXXX published an essay titled “Gender Imbalances Are Mostly Not Due to Offensive Attitudes.” The main reason computer scientists, mathematicians and other groups were predominantly male was not that the industries were sexist, he argued, but that women were simply less interested in joining.

And therefore he must be burned at the stake like all heretics.

That week, a Google employee named James Damore wrote a memo arguing that the low number of women in technical positions at the company was a result of biological differences, not anything else — a memo he was later fired over.

What can be more just than that Damore was fired for hurting the feelings of the CEO of YouTube, Sergey Brin’s old landlady and ex-sister-in-law. So the programmer had to be destroyed in the name of Punching Up in favor of a CEO.

… I woke up the next morning to a torrent of online abuse, as did my editor, who was named in the farewell note. My address and phone number were shared by the blog’s readers on Twitter. Protecting the identity of the man behind Slate Star Codex had turned into a cause among the Rationalists.

More than 7,500 people signed a petition urging The Times not to publish his name, including many prominent figures in the tech industry. “Putting his full name in The Times, the petitioners said, “would meaningfully damage public discourse, by discouraging private citizens from sharing their thoughts in blog form.” On the internet, many in Silicon Valley believe, everyone has the right not only to say what they want but to say it anonymously.

Amid all this, I spoke with Manoel Horta Ribeiro,

Manoel Horta Ribeiro

You can’t get much more Person of Colorish than Manoel Horta Ribeiro:

a computer science researcher who explores social networks at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne. He was worried that Slate Star Codex, like other communities, was allowing extremist views to trickle into the influential tech world. “A community like this gives voice to fringe groups,” he said. “It gives a platform to people who hold more extreme views.” …

Update:

In August, Mr. XXXXX restored his old blog posts to the internet. And two weeks ago, he relaunched his blog on Substack, a company with ties to both Andreessen Horowitz and Y Combinator. He gave the blog a new title: Astral Codex Ten. He hinted that Substack paid him $250,000 for a year on the platform. And he indicated the company would give him all the protection he needed.

In his first post, Mr. XXXXX shared his full name.

After spending months rearranging his life to ameliorate the threat of the NYT’s impending doxing.

And what exactly did the NYT disclosing his last name achieve journalistically? It’s not like anybody read this exposé and said, “Oh, Scott Alexander is that Scott XXXXX! Now everything is clear. The scales have fallen from my eyes!” Nah, it turns out that the real Scott XXXXX is exactly the same as the “Scott Alexander” depicted in a million words of self-published prose over the last decade: a nerdy Jewish psychiatrist with a sideline in calmly blogging at length.

All that I can see is that the Times revealed that Scott has a Jewish surname, which must have come as zero surprise to anybody who has read him …

 
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  1. Anon[217] • Disclaimer says:

    Advice to Alexander: Ignore it. Don’t comment on it. Wait three weeks. It will be gone. Nobody’s even going to read it anyway.

    • Agree: Ed, Exile
    • Replies: @nobodyofnowhere
    , @Exile
  2. Clyde says:

    There are no comments yet at the NY Times. Let’s see if they will be allowed, or if the NYT is chickenshit. Because you know there would be many anti-doxing posters at the NYT for this Cade Metz treatment. Other out of bounds commentary too.

    • Replies: @SFG
  3. BB753 says:

    Is Mencius Moldbug safe? Not from doxxing because he outed himself years ago but from reprisals? Can he play the Jewish card?

  4. The Blue Tribe will tolerate anyone who is in perfect lockstep with their opinions and willing to drop any thoughts or beliefs that they have at a moment’s notice in order to conform.

    The only cost of being accepted by the Blue Tribe is that you therefore drop all independent thought and entirely subsume your will to the vague meanderings of their purposefully obtuse collective beliefs.

    This is “tolerance” and “inclusiveness”. Not conforming is being “divisive” and “hateful”.

    I wish these people could see themselves clearly for just one moment.

    • Agree: Thea, res
  5. bgates says:

    Steve, Mr XXXXX is mentioned by name repeatedly in your excerpts.

  6. @Anon

    He published his name on the first day he opened his new blog, in order to get ahead of the NYT.
    https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/still-alive

  7. SFG says:

    I was about to go post a link to this on Scott’s blog and Steve beat me to it. And in California, no less. What time is it over there? (Rhetorical question.)

    I guess they figured when Astral Codex Ten was up they weren’t revealing anything. Or maybe Cade Metz was ordered to by his superiors. Who knows? Inside NYT drama can be pretty convoluted, though really it’s like any other workplace–people scheme and plot against each other. Except that it happens to be a very high-profile media company, so it tends to filter out.

  8. SFG says:
    @Clyde

    I remember on the ‘woke guy who wants to get rid of Classics’ article practically all the comments were negative–many to the effect of ‘well, we understand why you don’t like Classics, but then why study it, make your career in it, and then make a career of trying to bring it down?’

  9. SFG says:

    BTW, I don’t think the article is anti-Semitic. Its criteria for who’s good and who’s bad are entirely ideological.

  10. Didn’t you leave his name in the article?

    • Thanks: Jon
  11. Jon says:

    his given name, Scott XXXXX [I’m not going to publish Scott’s real last name because iSteve is not an irresponsible, violence-tempting publication like the NYT]

    Just FYI, his last name is listed 6 times in the other parts you quote

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  12. El Dato says:

    a computer science researcher who explores social networks at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne. He was worried that Slate Star Codex, like other communities, was allowing extremist views to trickle into the influential tech world.

    So he’s not someone with much insight, just some tech dude twiddling around with JavaScript and graph databases. Who apparently labors under the delusion that all comm lines in the real world go through the Internet.

    And the “influential tech world” is not full of extremist views.

    These people are all pig disgusting.

    Meanwhile, liberal writing in Russia:

    As column in Moscow’s top progressive newspaper labels West ‘New ethical Reich,’ are Russian liberals turning away from EU & US?

    Bogomolov nods briefly in the direction of his liberal friends in Russia’s “creative classes.” He expresses a love of the Europe that he and others longed to join in the 1990s. He expresses his hatred of “the spirit of violence and atmosphere of fear” in Russia. And he says that people like Gubin are partially right in denouncing the “prison guards and slaves” who make up the Russian people. But he then heads off in an entirely different direction. Using language that would see him expelled from polite society in much of the West, Bogomolov writes:

    “The contemporary Western world has turned into a New ethical Reich with its ideology of ‘the new ethics.’ … We face ethical socialism, queer socialism. Siemens, Boss and Volkswagen have turned into Google, Apple and Facebook, and the Nazis have given way to an equally aggressive mix of queer activists, fem-fanatics, and eco-psychopaths, who have an equal desire to totally transform society.”

    Bogomolov asserts that the Nazis controlled what people said but modern Western totalitarians also want to control how people feel.

    Transgression leads to the loss of one’s job, or even worse, with social media companies acting as the new “Ministry of Truth” to enforce compliance. Sounding remarkably like the reactionaries of Russia’s conservative Izborsky Club, or far-right thinkers such as Alexander Dugin, Bogomolov continues (referring to the character Schwonder in Bulgakov’s novel Heart of a Dog):

    “I loathe the spirit of violence and the atmosphere of fear [in Russia]. But that doesn’t mean that I accept the transformation of the country of prison guards and slaves into a country where … multicoloured (including white) Schwonders from BLM enter houses and demand that the professors kneel down, share their living space and give money to help the starving Floyds.”

    The ultra-conservative Dugin once said, “I love the West. … Until a certain moment when this liberal, globalist ideology triumphed, the West was a jewel. … I consider that contemporary Europe is anti-Europe. I simply cannot accept the West in its current condition.”

    • Thanks: Neoconned
    • Replies: @bomag
  13. His “blog roll” — the blogs he endorsed — included the work of Nick Land, a British philosopher whose writings on race, genetics and intelligence have been embraced by white nationalists.

    I am insulted that people espousing the sensible, common-sense ideology of White Nationalism are being tarnished by association with a freak like Nick Land.

    • Agree: Gordo
  14. fafqw says:

    Elizabeth Sandifer is a very neutral author, [from her book on the Rationalist and Neo-reaction “Neoreaction a basilik”:

    ‘This is a leftist book, and so must engage in a circular firing squad at least once. In the interests of discharging this solemn responsibility with minimal collateral damage, let’s pick a soft target: TERFs, or Trans-Exclusive Radical Feminists. Basically, ardent feminists for whom a primary concern is defending cis womanhood from trans women. In the interests of a swift execution, we’ll describe Cathy Brennan, a Maryland-based lawyer whose clients include a staggeringly ghastly litany of “mortgage loan companies, mortgage loan servicers, Internet lenders, consumer finance companies, title loan companies and payday lenders.” When she’s not helping capitalism murder poor people, her hobbies include extended and breathtakingly vicious harassment campaigns against trans women in which she doxes them, posts nude photos of them to her blog, and contacts their doctors and employers in order to intimidate them. And then, when she really needs to unwind from all that being as evil as actively possible, she searches Facebook to find people who call her a “fake goth”so she can report them. So there, see? It’s settled: TERFs are awful.’ [one person disproves TERF? I can think of many trans people who are just as awful]

    She is explicitly partisan (this is a leftist book) and says that “capitalism murders poor people”.

  15. fafqw says:

    Looked at Manoel Horta Ribeiro scholarship. It is literally all about “hate speech” his whole career (which has only started) is about being a hall monitor and making better algorithms to detect “hate speech”. He talks on his blog about the “global online hate ecology” and “algorithmic extremism”. He is a extreme blue tribe.

    • Replies: @Trigg Gigglett
  16. @fafqw

    Trans ex-men tend to be awful people. I knew the guy who is now described by the Washington Post as the “highest paid female CEO in America” and he was the biggest prick in my MBA program.

  17. My conviction is that doxxing is an inherently amoral and threatening act, and hence I can never condone it and will never participate in it. I sympathize with this individual and offer him my condolences.

    What I am about to say may not fit with my stated beliefs, but this individual has been doxxed and it’s in the past now. It’s not unfair, nor particularly revealing, to note that he was Jewish.

    I say this because of the rampant anti-Semitism here. And if you look a little deeper, you will find this recurring theme of Jewish ancestry behind everyone in the alt right/HBD. It’s impossible to escape. Even the people who don’t think they are Jewish are probably at least half Jewish, even if they’re not aware of it.

    The anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers are probably the most Jewish of them all. Certainly, their personalities seem Jewish behind the facade of canards.

    In fact, if you’re reading this now, I suspect there’s a 80-90% probability that you have at least 5% Jewish ancestry. The rest of you have nonwhite ancestry. Less that 0.5% of the people here are the purebred WASPS they’re always talking about.

    Why doesn’t everybody here just take a load off, and admit that all of your heroes are Jewish, and that you’re probably at least partly Jewish.

    It’s better to live truthfully than to live a lie. You are the diverse America you’re always complaining about.

  18. AndrewR says:

    The NYT is the primary outlet for US government propaganda.

    The US government has long been the world’s most dangerous terrorist organization, but its terror is now directed almost entirely at its core population, disproportionately law-abiding, productive and descended from the founding stock.

    Since US citizens cannot ask the US government to protect us from the US government, I leave it to the reader to imagine constructive alternative forms to fighting this terrorism.

    • Agree: Nodwink, ben tillman
    • Replies: @Thea
  19. Stealth says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Off-topic: Have you ever noticed that a lot of trans folks these days refer to themselves simply as “trans” rather than as men or women? It’s almost as if the actual gender part is less important than the transgressive aspect.

    • Agree: Travis
  20. Rob McX says:
    @Steve Sailer

    You really don’t like Martine Rothblatt.

  21. AndrewR says:
    @Jon

    Scott Siskand doxxed himself in order to get ahead of the NYT.

    This censoring of his surname is entirely performative on Sailer’s part. The only argument in favor of doing what Sailer is doing is “well what if “Alexander” and the NYT both delete the mention of his name?” But the likelihood of both the NYT and Siskand himself ever deleting his name from their posts is virtually zero. Anyone with any animus against Siskand is not going to learn his name from Sailer’s blog.

    • Replies: @dvorak
  22. bomag says:

    [commenters on the site ranged] religiously from Catholic to atheist

    LOL. What a spread.

    The ideas they exchanged were often controversial — connected to gender, race and inherent ability, for example — and voices who might push back were kept at bay.

    For me, this is the crux of the issue: both sides know these are critically important issues; the SSC crowd wants to discuss the issues; the NYT crowd says it is “settled science” and wants to enforce the orthodoxy by burning the heretics in figurative and literal ways.

    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
  23. Arclight says:

    Steve’s wrath is something to behold. I also agree with him that there appears to be a faction of people at right-thinking organizations like the NYT that understand that the tenets of wokism cannot really hold up against scrutiny or facts, and the heavy handed promotion of woke reality is to suck all the oxygen out of the room so other viewpoints don’t grow in acceptance and displace wokism…which makes voices like Steve, Scott Alexander, etc. so important because their ideas do percolate amongst an influential audience, many of whom might not yet be comfortable with full throated agreement, but will be once it is clear that many of the laypeople agree with them.

    • Agree: ic1000
  24. bomag says:
    @El Dato

    That was a rather refreshing read.

  25. MLK says:

    When Trump came down the escalator the reigning driver became Resentment. That’s palpably obvious in this attack on “Scott Alexander.” Sometime, like here, the Devil isn’t in the details. The NYT is feeding its readership’s now insatiable yen to feel better about themselves by trashing someone who excels as they wish they could.

    This exemplifies one of the not at all insignificant ways we’ve moved to the opposite end of the spectrum since the confident 1960s when it comes to intelligence and productiveness.

    I’ve come to discount grand conspiracy as explanatory in instances such as this one. Rejecting the impulse to accredit the NYT, it’s team of writers, editors, etc, and self-loathing readership, with a Plan.

    My joke is to lament that I wasn’t born in an earlier time when it was much easier to make a memorable mark. I mean, if I were around then I could have been the first to put some meat between two pieces of bread and be remembered forever for it instead of the Earl of Sandwich.

    Now even monumental human advancements require collaboration and enormous resources.

    “Scott Alexander” isn’t a Watson. But the similarity is that it wasn’t that many years ago that the NYT would have written a piece lauding him.

    I’m hoping someday that someone will explain to me what they really hope and expect to accomplish with all this mindless anti-intellectualism.

    • Thanks: vhrm
    • Replies: @Bumpkin
    , @Lurker
  26. Pericles says:
    @fafqw

    That Elizabeth was formerly known as Phil, right?

  27. bomag says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Nick has his charms.

    I’m surprised he got mentioned in the article. I suspect the author was listing everyone who lives rent free in his head with their troublesome views.

  28. Anonymous[596] • Disclaimer says:

    In another, he pointed out that Mr. Murray believes Black people “are genetically less intelligent than white people.”

    In other words, Dr. Alexander did not say he agreed with Dr. Murray on race-IQ. But the point is that at some indeterminate point, Alexander expressed alignment with Murray on a different issue, so he must be destroyed.

    One of your more cowardly posts, Steve. If Scott had agreed with Murray on race-IQ, would it then be justified to destroy him?

    By the way, you assert that Metz’s article is “anti-Semitic”? How is that so exactly? Metz may himself be Jewish.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  29. Anon[162] • Disclaimer says:

    I have zero interest in doxxing leftists. They’re too uninteresting as people to bother with. I already know what they are going to say on every subject, and they’re all self-obsessed, neurotic, ratchet-jawed bores.

    The only people who dox leftists are other leftists, such as POC who expose fake POC academics, or POC at newspapers trying to destroy their white leftist co-workers so they can take their jobs.

  30. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:

    I only skimmed the cited parts of the article and still saw a ton of really obvious grammatical errors:

    “To try and understand…”

    “…arrived at.”

    Very odd

  31. Shouldn’t Elon Musk get a pass for any evil doing because he’s an African American plus an African North-American?
    (He did pick up US citizenship, didn’t he?)

    Who the hell, other than Steve, reads The Slave Owner’s Daily anymore?

  32. Anonymous[418] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Why doesn’t everybody here just take a load off, and admit that all of your heroes are Jewish, and that you’re probably at least partly Jewish.

    I am part Jewish, fractionally so.

    “All” I think is a bridge too far. I have a lot of people I admire. Ron Unz, Steve Sailer are a couple. Henry Ford, Werner Von Braun, Thomas Jefferson and most of the Founding Fathers. Some are Jewish, some are part Jewish, some are goys.

    It doesn’t for example invalidate the evidence that it is primarily the Jews in power (in big tech and the MSM) who have removed what they perceive as a threat in Trump from office, and with much wailing and caterwauling are now attempting to impeach him while he is out of office. Have a look sometime at the MSM atm. So many Jewish voices acting obnoxiously, like Rob Reiner for example. This is elite Semitism to use the Jewish term for it. Trump represented a speed bump in their road to push race mixing to reduce the European peoples “Once And For All” (TM). For that, he must be punished.

    We didn’t get to this point overnight. Names like Hart, Cellar, Emma Lazarus, Alinsky paved the way. That there are some welcome Jews on our side like Unz et al does not invalidate this. How else to resist this nasty genocidal effort without naming the Jew or describing such actions? It’s pretty hard IMO.

    I simply prefer the way it was, with a world that made sense. It’s more honest, more beautiful. I dislike the constant pressure to self-castigate. I like it that there are some allied Jews who also have a fondness for such an existence. Unfortunately they are the exception that proves the rule. Maybe one day they will gain ascendancy, I hope so. Life was simpler when I understood nothing about Jews nor would have had a need to. But… life is as it is and not as we wish it should be. Just because we are not interested in Jews does not mean that Jews are not interested in us.

  33. Anon[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnPlywood

    My own ancestry is 100% English, Scottish, and Irish. You need reminding that persons of plain old Anglo-Saxon ancestry have thought up, invented, and built a heck of a lot of stuff over the past few centuries.

    Western Civilization was built primarily by Western Europeans who weren’t Jewish.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @very old statistician
  34. Gordo says:

    He described some feminists as something close to Voldemort, the embodiment of evil in the Harry Potter books.

    Epic troll.

  35. @SFG

    Lol, it is anti-Semitic like an article about NBA players with domestic violence charges would be anti-black

    Steve is making a multilayered joke to communicate with his diverse audience in a differentiated manner

  36. @Steve Sailer

    The actually feminine ones tend to be quite nice. If exceptionally confused and therefore likely to act in borderline ways.

  37. @Stealth

    Off-topic: Have you ever noticed that a lot of trans folks these days refer to themselves simply as “trans” rather than as men or women? It’s almost as if the actual gender part is less important than the transgressive aspect.

    In addition to “pre-op” and “post-op” transsexuals, there are “no-op” transsexuals: people who retain the body of their birth sex, but insist that they are the opposite sex and want their documents falsified to “prove” it. “Trans”, meaning “across”, would normally imply a change, but perhaps for the no-op transsexual it is the transgression that is the important thing.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  38. Slate Star Codex was a threat to the NYT because it was a far better forum for discussion: you can’t really have a debate when only one viewpoint is permitted. Whatever excuses the NYT may present for harming the blog and its author, it was acting to protect its commercial interests.

    • Replies: @TWS
  39. Who said Doxxing has to be a one-way street?

    Aren’t these the people who celebrated the phrase, “If your opponents bring a knife to a fight, you should bring a gun” when uttered from Dear Leader Barack Hussein Obama’s lips ? I’d settle for “Sauce for the Goose.”

    • Replies: @Polistra
  40. Is there any news peg or anything forward-looking at all in this mountainous steaming pile? Shouldn’t Metz quickly turn the focus to what Alexander is doing now? I admire Alexander and even kind of liked SSC at times but I could not care less about all these weighty intellectual relationships and all this Rationalist inside baseball — so imagine the confusion and apathy of NYT readers who never saw the blog at all.

    Once again the NYT is obsessed with defining and rearranging events long past, rather than focusing its attention on the slow-motion train wreck of the present. But Let’s Go Metz — he compiled all this material and dammit he was going to use it somehow.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  41. @SFG

    It’s more primal than that.

    It’s resentment of people capable of ideas at all. And yes that does bleed quite readily into anti-semitism for obvious reasons.

  42. Jack D says:

    By the way, why is it crucial to refer to “Dr. Jill Biden” when she is a low-brow Ed. D., but to “Mr. Scott XXXXX” when he is a legit psychiatrist?

    Because she is a GOOD person and he is not.

    Last night I was in a room where CNN was on (I never would put it on myself) and Anderson Cooper & friends kept referring to “Former President Trump”. They kept tripping over this tongue twister and repeating it over and over. Sometimes they would show a clip from the impeachment where the participants, even the Democrats, called him President Trump and then they would switch back and Anderson would, five seconds later, call him “Former President Trump”. Historically, as you know, ex-presidents (VPs, ambassadors, etc.) keep their title for life as a courtesy. All during the campaign, everyone referred to Joe as “the Vice President”. No one ever says “Former President Obama”. But Trump, as a Bad Person , is no longer entitled to this courtesy.

    In the USSR, someone in good standing was called “Comrade”. But once you were arrested, you were no longer a “comrade”. Bad people were called “Citizen”. Jill is Comrade Biden. Scott is Citizen XXXX.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous, ic1000
    • Thanks: vhrm, Gary in Gramercy
    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Muggles
  43. @JohnPlywood

    I say this because of the rampant anti-Semitism here.

    Pointing out the depravities does not make one anti-Semite. You exposed yourself.

  44. @JohnPlywood

    The anti-Semites and Holocaust deniers are probably the most Jewish of them all. Certainly, their personalities seem Jewish behind the facade of canards.

    I watched a recent documentary on Roy Cohn last night (HBO?). A total smear job. A bunch of tyical liberal dumb Jews were interviewed to say Cohn was merely a self-hating Jew, a mama’s boy homo, and a shyster lawyer. It seems they were totally unaware of how anti-Semitic their hit job was. But hey, liberal politics uber alles.

    FTR, Roy Cohn was a great American patriot. One of my heroes.

  45. @Steve Sailer

    Trans ex-men tend to be awful people.

    How long before an attention seeking klansmen comes out as trans and puts the Establishment in a bind?

    • Replies: @Rob McX
  46. Elizabeth Sandifer is also a former wikipedia admin who was defrocked for doxxing in that capacity, so they sought for a balance of voices on that matter.

  47. @JohnPlywood

    Why doesn’t everybody here just take a load off, and admit that all of your heroes are Jewish, and that you’re probably at least partly Jewish.

    My heroes are Vlad the Impaler, Genghis Khan, and Alexander the Great. In 2121 I admire ruthless men who got things done, were victorious in war, and killed their enemies. Are they Jewish? As for the second part, not even a smidgeon of Jewish blood unless you are admitting ancient Jews are indeed Aryan Phoenicians. Then I guess its a very distant smidgeon. As for the article I think by pointing out their Jewishness, there is the implicit fact Jews purge wrong thinkers in the tribe. Doxing is considerably kinder than manipulating a judge to have a man nailed to a cross so as to die a slow death.

  48. You can kind of tell from reading between the lines that Metz is sympathetic to the resistance to Wokeness

    Talk about naive. It doesn’t count as sympathy when the misery is creating its own company.

    Physiognomy doesn’t lie. This guy makes Barney Fife look like Perry Mason.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  49. The voices also included white supremacists and neo-fascists.

    This is not really true. People were allowed to comment but actual WS or NF comments got people banned. Scott had a long list of banned commenters. Many appeared to be right wing, like Spandrell.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Known Fact
  50. The same people who brought “intellectual dynamism” to universities in the 60s are now shutting down all intellectual discussion.

    Spoiler alert: There’s no contradiction. That was fake back in the day. Sadly, the seeming cleverness of it fooled the White liberal crowd.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  51. This guy makes Barney Fife look like Perry Mason.

    LOL!

  52. Of course, The Name That Shall Not Be Spoken in the Times continues: Steve Sailer.

    One of the problems I have with Scott Alexander is his refusal to entertain at any length the possibility that there exist between group differences on socially relevant traits.

    I get, of course, how much more “toxic” that topic is than those he does consider.

    But, in the end, if it is truth you seek, how do avoid such a basic, consequential truth? How do you understand a world in which this fact plays such a pivotal role, and, indeed, is figuring larger and larger over time?

    Our current culture is simply built upon the dogmatic belief in the opposite. If you do believe that all differences between groups are socially constructed, on what grounds, other than procedural, can you reject attempts to right disparities in outcome by blunt, even gross corrections? Isn’t something like Critical Race Theory nearly unavoidable if you believe that all groups are the same, except for environment? What, other than some great, systematic, structural oppression, could explain the deep disparities we see?

    The agnostic views of Scott Alexander and company are really helpless to understand these issues, or to correct them. He and they must instead point out the downsides and limitations of, say, Affirmative Action without addressing the full force of the arguments in its favor. I don’t see this to be an effective way of opposing them in the long run, nor does it allow a deep understanding of how the world really works.

    If you wish to understand the world, you need to start from true premises, and follow them to true conclusions. That’s the only way knowledge can be advanced.

  53. Isn’t rationalist psychologist something of an oxy moron? Why are so many self styled rationalists drawn to disciplines and ideologies with awful track records and galling conflicts of interest and internal contradictions like economics, psychology, and libertarianism?

    • Replies: @Ian M.
  54. Anonymous[149] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    You can kind of tell from reading between the lines that Metz is sympathetic to the resistance to Wokeness

    Talk about naive. It doesn’t count as sympathy when the misery is creating its own company.

    Physiognomy doesn’t lie. This guy makes Barney Fife look like Perry Mason.

    Is Metz Jewish?

  55. When I saw his picture I was surprised that Alexander was so “normal” looking. I don’t know what I expected exactly.

    Also, I am surprised Steve didn’t feature this when it first came out. But the NYT reports that even the French have become alarmed at the insanity level of American wokeness, and are trying to limit its importation.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/world/europe/france-threat-american-universities.html

  56. What interests me is who at the NY Times ordered the Code Red on Scott Alexander? This kind of nakedly partisan attack has gotten more common under the leadership of Dean Basquiat (sp. ?) so I thought it might be his directive…or has he simply lost control of his Woke staffers?
    The Times owners must understand by now that their audience is becoming more selective…how can they not care?

  57. @JohnPlywood

    it’s true. Jesus Christ was Jewish.

  58. Anonymous[149] • Disclaimer says:
    @candid_observer

    One of the problems I have with Scott Alexander is his refusal to entertain at any length the possibility that there exist between group differences on socially relevant traits.

    I get, of course, how much more “toxic” that topic is than those he does consider.

    But, in the end, if it is truth you seek, how do avoid such a basic, consequential truth? How do you understand a world in which this fact plays such a pivotal role, and, indeed, is figuring larger and larger over time?

    If you deny that possibility, what worthwhile and forbidden “truths” can you contribute to the world today?

    If you deny that possibility, how can you even practice psychiatry and “treat” people with drugs?

    Has Scott Alexander, with his blog, merely been engaging in the usual Jewish gatekeeping and diversion of others’ energy into futile if not counterproductive beliefs and pursuits?

  59. The Blue team wants you dead.

    Northwestern Neuroscientist Found Dead After Racism Allegations
    A Northwestern University postdoctoral fellow took his own life after being linked to anonymous anti-Semitic and racist social media posts.

    https://patch.com/illinois/evanston/northwestern-neuroscientist-found-dead-after-racism-allegations

  60. @BB753

    He reports that he is unemployable and not at all wealthy and he is trying to make a living peddling his writing on the internet.

    NYTimes is doing this purely for spite at this point. What a bunch of cunts.

    • Thanks: BB753
    • Replies: @BB753
  61. Rob says:

    In one post, he aligned himself with Charles Murray, who proposed a link between race and I.Q. in “The Bell Curve.”

    That is not the most honest way of phrasing that. All the evidence points to an around 15 point gap between whites and blacks. This is not something Murray ‘proposed.’ It is an obvious fact to anyone who has known a lot of whites and blacks. The gap is so large that it should be obvious to even people who have only been exposed to highly selected blacks. It is what should be the consensus view if psychometricians were reality-based. As far as I know, there is no evidence that suggests that the gap is non-existent.

    The only serious questions are what we should do once we accept reality: phenotypic gaps are caused in large part by genetic gaps. Do we let everyone rise or fall to a level set by their IQ and personality? Do we have enough affirmative action that every every black is bad at her job? Do we set racial quotas in college and accept the smartest within each race? What about people who don’t go to college? There are a lot of dumb men with strong dominance drives in prison. Is there anything useful society could do with them? Some role where they would be happier than prison, but still not too dangerous to normal whites? Do we institute a mild eugenics policy to gradually improve blacks? To quickly improve blacks? Do we have nominally color-blind laws that ensure that a huge number of blacks are in inescapable debt? Do we keep encouraging blacks to get educations they get little benefit from?

    Consider the questions that arise from an even more obvious racial difference. Melanin protects skin from UV damage, UV reacts with a precursor to generate vitamin D, and blacks are darker than whites. It seems that, rather than complaining that skin cancer rates are unequal, we should encourage whites to use sunscreen and avoid tanning. We should encourage blacks at high latitude to take vitamin D supplements.

    The big difference is that resistance to UV is not the sin qua non of being human. It is less important (unless you get skin cancer) than how smart you are. But it is pretty much as solid as the ‘proposal’ that blacks have an average IQ a standard deviation lower.

  62. dvorak says:
    @BB753

    Is Mencius Moldbug safe? Not from doxxing because he outed himself years ago but from reprisals? Can he play the Jewish card?

    1. Yes, he has a Substack.
    2. Yes, because IQ=160 writing is not of interest to Antifa.
    3. Yes, he can.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  63. Neoconned says:

    I’ve used the interwebs & message forums since the late 1990s…..& even way back then i knew to use fake names & fake emails online….make it to where only the cops could track you. Make them get a warrant& sue them if it was obtained on dubious grounds.

    1 reason i post less on here & soon will post almost none at all….think the doxxing is bad now? Give it 10 yrs….

    Never heard of the term rationalist….

  64. If you google the man’s name now the NYTimes article does not show up on page one.

    Which was his stated worst fear. Also that is from my ISP so you may get a different search result.

    The wikipedia article on slatestarcodex does show up on page one. I don’t think his name was in the wikipedia article until they had this source to put into their footnotes but I do not know that for sure.

  65. dvorak says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Also, I am surprised Steve didn’t feature this when it first came out. But the NYT reports that even the French have become alarmed at the insanity level of American wokeness, and are trying to limit its importation.

    Hi Hypnotoad666, iSteve covered this story:
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/frances-fear-of-a-black-planet

    As a toasted toad, it’s hard for you to keep up with iSteve. Maybe if you were a motorhead, you could.

  66. Thea says:
    @AndrewR

    “The NYT is the primary outlet for US government propaganda.”

    I agree. Would you say that when the NYT gets-zanier and zanier, it indicates the power structure is losing its grip? When Americans support and like the government, there is no need to keep the press on a short leash.

    Most in the government are still of at least some “founding stock”or salt of the earth types. In the 60s it was close to 100% yet look what happened. How did it come to them hating their own people?

    I don’t believe the Jews are all powerful or capable of brainwashing everyone to do their bidding. Whether or not some exerted a bad influence is beside the point. We did this to ourselves and it would be helpful to understand how going forward.

  67. dvorak says:
    @AndrewR

    This censoring of his surname is entirely performative on Sailer’s part.

    Not true. Scott Alexander gave his real name in a single post, that will only be found by a newcomer if they decide to read the Substack from the very beginning. The Substack then reverted to the pseudonym Scott Alexander.

  68. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:

    How dares NYT call Scott Alexander “Mr” and not “Dr”?

    Here is one thing about “rationalists”: They are very selectively rational. Just like progressives pick and choose items they are going to be “progressive” about, the rationalists choose areas where rationality can be applied to, being perfectly content with letting beliefs and conformism rule elsewhere. Hence the disparate ideologies.

    I suspect that much of it comes simply out of fear. Fear of where it’s all leading to. Similar to most HBDers who, by and large, refuse to talk about how the world in which the facts of HBD are universally accepted will look like.

    Moldbug deserves credit for having the courage to say what the next logical step is. Something Scott wasn’t able to bring himself to do.

    • Replies: @Dan Smith
  69. Mr. Anon says:

    “It is no surprise that this has caught on among the tech industry. The tech industry loves disrupters and disruptive thought,” said Elizabeth Sandifer, a scholar who closely follows and documents the Rationalists. “But this can lead to real problems. The contrarian nature of these ideas makes them appealing to people who maybe don’t think enough about the consequences.

    Whereas people who read the Times or “scholars” like Elizabeth Sandifer (who appears to be a “scholar” of Doctor Who) always think thoroughly through the consequences of what they espouse:

    https://twitter.com/ElSandifer/status/1266741399577395201

    “There are things that are known: cops are corrupt agents of violent white supremacism; Black lives matter; burning down police stations is awesome. These are important things.”

    “All cops are bastards. If you are financially able to donate to activists fighting systemic racism, do it. If not, at least speak out. See you tomorrow.”

    I find it interesting that if one holds views that are remotely anti-establishment – such as the views routinely expressed here or at any number (though a dwindling number) of online forums – you are labeled “an extremist”.

    However, if you agree with and even actively promote establishment ideas you are not an extremist. Men can be women and vice-versa? Not extremist. Demon-trannies reading stories to little kids in a public library? Not extremist. The country should have no borders? Not extremist. Approximately half the country are terrorists? Not extremist. We’ve been fighting the same war for twenty years now? Cool! Not extremist! Our military should be involved in scores of countries around the World? Not extremist. The government should be able to blow up anybody it wants to around the World, anywhere, anytime? Not extremist. We should decide who occupies offices in the government of Ukraine? Not extremist. I could go on.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Polistra
  70. @Hypnotoad666

    Also, I am surprised Steve didn’t feature this when it first came out. But the NYT reports that even the French have become alarmed at the insanity level of American wokeness, and are trying to limit its importation.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/world/europe/france-threat-american-universities.html

    Serves them right, the Wokes are just re-infecting them with a dumber but more deadly version of the brain-eating virus they spawned via that pervert Foucault.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  71. Mr. Anon says:
    @JohnPlywood

    In fact, if you’re reading this now, I suspect there’s a 80-90% probability that you have at least 5% Jewish ancestry. The rest of you have nonwhite ancestry. Less that 0.5% of the people here are the purebred WASPS they’re always talking about.

    Well, you are already 100% wrong. I suspect that at least 76.3% of the people reading this blog have come to realize that you are about 98.5% idiot.

  72. @Jack D

    Oh but for all his vast learning and thinking Scott has shamefully shown himself just as desperate to hang on to his comrade title with tooth and claw as Cade is and willing to be the first to throw a fagot on the fire when the roasting of citizens commences. This is why the Times went ahead with the hit. He practically begged them for it.

    The Veil of Ignorance is a temptation beyond his courage to deny.

  73. @candid_observer

    Our current culture is simply built upon the dogmatic belief in the opposite. If you do believe that all differences between groups are socially constructed, on what grounds, other than procedural, can you reject attempts to right disparities in outcome by blunt, even gross corrections?

    You’re asking the wrong question. On what grounds would one *accept* or *undertake* attempts to right disparities in outcome? One can’t just invent moral imperatives.

    And how does the verb “right” fit in? Where does one get the idea that disparities are wrong?

    And how can differences between “groups” be socially constructed, when “socially constructed” implies that all the “groups” are equal parts of the society that is exercising agency?

    Isn’t something like Critical Race Theory nearly unavoidable if you believe that all groups are the same, except for environment? What, other than some great, systematic, structural oppression, could explain the deep disparities we see?

    If all groups are the same, oppression is impossible and pointless. In fact, if “all groups are the same”, doesn’t that mean there is just one group? What could distinguish one group from another or from the whole?

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    , @bomag
  74. To me the most interesting part about this was Scott’s naive and persistent delusion that this wouldn’t be a woke hit piece about his crypto-fascism. Welcome to the new world, honey baby.

  75. @ben tillman

    Wokism is much stupider than you give it credit for. There is obviously a difference between black people and white people, for instance their skin color and hair texture. But because of their tabula rasa mentality they believe that those differences must be “only skin deep” because of course everyone must be able to summon up an equal amount of talent by pure enthusiasm and force of will. By assuming that “inside” we are all equally capable you can skip directly to the conclusion that different distributions are prima facia evidence of injustice.

    I’m not saying it makes sense but this is clearly what they believe.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  76. Other than the fault of logorrhea, Scott is a big teddy bear. How much better is it that he put his multiple talents to helping people, rather than writing drivel for the NYT?

  77. Forbes says:
    @fafqw

    Elizabeth Sandifer, a scholar who closely follows and documents the Rationalists. “But this can lead to real problems. The contrarian nature of these ideas makes them appealing to people who maybe don’t think enough about the consequences.”

    LOL! What planet is this lady on??

    The issue that most closely describes our political ruling class and the media is the failure to recognize, or even think about, consequences. Their throw-away line is always “unintended consequences.”

    We spent eight years of the Obama regime watching media explain away untoward events as “surprisingly,” and “unexpectedly.”

    Under Biden, I expect “shit happens” to find regular use by media or Jen Psaki.

    PS: Can anyone detail what and who are the Rationalists? I couldn’t bear to read the entire wall of words from the NYT.

  78. Mr. Mean says:
    @Steve Sailer

    High-T ruthless careerist biological women also tend to be massive cunts.

  79. anon[301] • Disclaimer says:

    This article makes me feel old, so very very old. See, I’m old enough to remember when dissent was the highest form of patriotism. That was, what, 150 years ago, or something like that?

    Now dissent is treason. So modern!

    • Agree: Muggles
  80. Marty says:
    @nobodyofnowhere

    I wish he’d stop saying “I’m humbled by” when what he means is “thankful for”.

  81. Escher says:

    The fact that America’s greatest living African-American is a white guy is simply intolerable.

    I doubt even the NYT would make such an argument here.

    • Replies: @Curle
  82. anonymous[125] • Disclaimer says:

    Fuck him.

    I like to see my enemies lose. That Steve never learned that lesson is hilarious but pathetic.

    I didn’t see little Scott standing up for Andrew Anglin. That is the absolute line: if you didn’t support Andrew Anglin’s ability to speak I 100% hope you are silenced and sent to the gulag.

    • Replies: @Matt Buckalew
  83. At Twitter and Facebook, leaders were reluctant to remove words from their platforms — even when those words were untrue or could lead to violence.

    That’s everything that’s wrong with these half-wits, right there.

    even when those words were untrue

    It is so absurd that grown American men with a lifetime of experience with work, family, politics, and life, are apparently expected to just let a series of youthful committees comprised of college slut dullards, spiteful lesbians, wimpy nerdlings who can’t get laid, trannies, and foreign Bolshevists, all of whom masquerade as “journalists“, determine what is or is not “untrue”. Give me a break!

    or could lead to violence

    There is literally no human utterance with zero potential for violence.

  84. MEH 0910 says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Also, I am surprised Steve didn’t feature this when it first came out. But the NYT reports that even the French have become alarmed at the insanity level of American wokeness, and are trying to limit its importation.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/frances-fear-of-a-black-planet/

  85. Here’s something that someone in this rationality community emailed to me:

    The more I think about it the more pathetic this article feels.

    Slatestarcodex is written by a guy with a demanding full time job. The author’s full time job is to write for the New York Times. You are a professional writer at the once most prestigious newspaper in the world, writing about one of the best blogs in the world which is written by an amateur. And your article is… absolute horseshit.

  86. “the Resistance has become the Submission”

  87. “By the way, why is it crucial to refer to “Dr. Jill Biden” when she is a low-brow Ed. D., but to “Mr. Scott XXXXX” when he is a legit psychiatrist?”

    Who/Whom is now my default answer to all questions, esp. rhetorical ones.

  88. @fafqw

    The eternal question:

    Portuguese…or just retarded?

  89. J.Ross says:

    We have to stop pretending that American rules apply and assume the playbook is Soviet and set up networks. Unz needs to become the visible tip of the iceberg that will sink the aspirations of the bureaucrats.
    Good news: boomer credulous right-wing radio is now recognizing that, while Nazis are bad, allowing zero criterion Nazi accusation is not the same thing as actually fighting Nazis. FBI arrest stats (which are themselves highly suspect) are quoted to show that less than two hundred Eeee Vull Nazzzzzzis have been picked up, with the sensible argument that less than two hundred people are not a national menace (they fail to suggest that there were probably more than two hundred people at each of the leftist riots, especially the one where they successfully torched a police station).

  90. Exile says:
    @Anon

    To clarify, in a sane society this kind of doxxing “reportage” would be considered socially reprehensible and result in financial suicide, if not being outright illegal. But since NYT has a J-card when it comes to courts and libel, Scott’s better off not giving this dumpster fire article more O2.

    His other alternative is to go on the attack – his choice. Any way he chooses to go with this, he’s the good guy and NYT are just as sleazy and lowbrow as we’ve long known.

  91. J.Ross says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Isn’t a big prick the first prerequisite to lecturing everybody about your genitalia?

  92. J.Ross says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    It’s essential that blog rolls be diverse because the alternative is total conformity and informational limitation. Anyone here remember J. Orlin Grabbe? His blog was awesome but I can see people making trouble about the tendency to post illustrations of young young women. We need 75-80% overlap because 100% overlap is what the morons in the lyingpress have and is the reason they’re so useless. Objectionable details should be tolerated so long as there’s good information.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  93. danand says:

    “But being white men, they were Bad.”

    Scott who?

    Now Justin Timberlake, there’s a man of influence. From his just published White male public apology:

    “I understand that I fell short in these moments and in many others and benefited from a system that condones misogyny and racism.”

    According to the Grammy winner, the industry as a whole is “flawed” and sets white men up for success. As a man in a “privileged position,” Justin said he now knows he has to be more vocal.

    Because of my ignorance, I didn’t recognize it for all that it was while it was happening in my own life…”

    • Replies: @Polistra
  94. bomag says:
    @BB753

    Is Mencius Moldbug safe… from reprisals

    From what I know, he doesn’t have a particularly public footprint; working free lance/private contractor.

    The Woke really don’t want to call attention to him, ’cause to refute him, or quote him out of context, one has to start reading him, and once you do that…

  95. TRAT says:

    >He described some feminists as something close to Voldemort, the embodiment of evil in the Harry Potter books.

    anyone happen to know what this was?

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    , @Rob
  96. vhrm says:
    @candid_observer

    If you do believe that all differences between groups are socially constructed, on what grounds, other than procedural, can you reject attempts to right disparities in outcome by blunt, even gross corrections? Isn’t something like Critical Race Theory nearly unavoidable if you believe that all groups are the same, except for environment? What, other than some great, systematic, structural oppression, could explain the deep disparities we see?

    in my view you’re mostly right.
    if you “notice” differences in outcome it’s good to try to identify the cause of said differences.

    Let’s say there are three variables that might explain bad black outcomes: black nature (mostly genes), black “culture”, and anti-black racism (including active discrimination today and historical racism that resulted in disparate starting points for people alive today)

    If you believe “blank slate” (i.e. no HBD) then the first variable is off the table. So it must be black culture or racism.

    Given the amount of intervention that’s happened over the past 50 years and the fact that even upper middle class blacks’ kids seen to underperform (i.e the black kids who live in practically “white” culture and values) then all you’re left with is racism. And when you can’t identify actual active kkk type racists it becomes magic systemic racism. which must exist in the way “dark matter” exists: we can’t see it, but it has to be there because we see its effects.

    Without hbd “racism” becomes the answer because as Sherlock Holmes says:
    “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. ”

    It doesn’t however follow that it is the government’s place to fight racism among the people and try to equalize outcomes even if disparity IS due to racism. Freedom of association concepts argue that people should be allowed to discriminate.

    But let’s see that aside, wherever the government should fight it or not, if I were a blank slatist, I would also assume some unjustified racism was in play causing these bad outcomes and I’d say society should fight against it.

    In fact, until I understood HBD differences between groups about 10 years ago (largely driven by iSteve’s articles archives from the 2000s) my views were that it’s probably like 1/2 black culture and 1/2 racism.

    • Replies: @anon
  97. bomag says:
    @ben tillman

    If all groups are the same, oppression is impossible and pointless… What could distinguish one group from another or from the whole?

    Ahh, but you see, there are Good people and Bad people. The Bad people are oppressing and generating unequal outcomes. The Good people point this out and punish the Bad people. Forever.

  98. anon[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @vhrm

    But let’s see that aside, wherever the government should fight it or not, if I were a blank slatist, I would also assume some unjustified racism was in play causing these bad outcomes and I’d say society should fight against it.

    The witch hunters centuries ago operated on a very similar principle. Bad things happened, no one could explain them — must be witches! Hunt them down!

    That’s where we are now. Cargo cults and witch hunters. Both groups loudly insist their science is settled.

  99. By the way, why is it crucial to refer to “Dr. Jill Biden” when she is a low-brow Ed. D., but to “Mr. Scott XXXXX” when he is a legit psychiatrist?

    Alexander did his medical studies at University College Cork School of Medicine, which doesn’t award the M.D., but rather a suite of three degrees: MB BCh BAO (Hons) qualification (Bachelor in Medicine, Bachelor in Surgery and Bachelor in the Art of Obstetrics).

    https://www.ucc.ie/en/medical/prosstud/dem

    So it’s one of modern life’s sour ironies that he is not addressed as”Dr.” when Mrs. Biden is.

    • Thanks: vhrm
  100. @JohnPlywood

    “Even the people who don’t think they are Jewish are probably at least half Jewish, even if they’re not aware of it.”
    A remarkably ignorant assertion. But you must know that, and are simply pulling it all out of your arse, as usual.
    My auDNA comes out at “100% England, Scotland, Wales”. Further to that, I know that all my recent ancestors (last 184 years, Civil Registration) and their patchily-recorded predecessors come from a few more-or-less adjacent parishes in NW England. To an extent that worried me a bit, so I did a consanguinity test. Phew! No sign of any ancient monkey business, unwitting or not. Vicars on the case, parish records and banns accurate, generation after generation.

    Oh wait a bit, there was a foreigner, a Cornishwoman, back in the 1700s. So I’m now a proud BAME cadre.
    Jews do not (a) dig their own coal or (b) marry coal/ironstone/copperminers. Almost nobody normal does, or rather, did. Like fishermen. Because Reasons.

  101. Anonymous[696] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m struck by how the NYT is obsessed with the doxing the identities of bloggers Scott Alexander and Mencius Moldbug, but not with the doxing that Ben Horowitz is the son of David Horowitz, much like they won’t report that David Friedman is the son of ultra-famous Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman. All six of these brilliant people are Jewish, but for some reason mentioning their dads is off limits, probably because NYT subscribers won’t notice that that Metz’s article is anti-Semitic unless he mentions the elder Friedman and Horowitz

    I’ve been following the Silicon Valley rationalist sphere and reactionary spheres since their inceptions, and they very much reflect a Jewish intellectual culture that revolves around a central guru or figurehead who possesses a kind of rabbinical intellectual charisma and authority. They are brilliant at spinning highly verbose theories that draw people in and attract followers. Back in the 2000s, people in this scene really thought Yudkowsky was a genius who was going to “solve AI” any minute now. Most of what Moldbug originally wrote about has been refuted or been shown to have been quite off base. But they still maintain cult like followings.

    The most notable examples of this type have been figures like Marx and Freud.

  102. Dan Smith says:
    @Anonymous

    He’s only a doctor of medicine, not a doctor of wokeology, like Dr. Jill Biden.

  103. @anonymous

    Exactly Steve is such a slavish devotee of IQ that it makes him a pathetic political ally. The second Steve got dinged out of the high caliber MBA programs he applied to was the second Steve as any kind of effective challenge to the cathedral ended. He lacks any kind of confidence in confronting the elite.

    Steve will dunk on uppity bruthas and sleepy Mexicans all day but Kaplan test prep dork Chuck Schumer so much as looks at him and he creams his pants. Codex is a motor mouth dork that uses 450 words when 45 words would do.

    I’m just tired of dorks in general if you didn’t fuck at least one cheerleader in high school we don’t need to hear from you.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @black sea
  104. Muggles says:
    @Jack D

    Jill is Comrade Biden.

    No, Jill is Dr. Comrade Biden.

    Good post, BTW.

    • Replies: @Charles St. Charles
  105. Clyde says:
    @Stealth

    Off-topic: Have you ever noticed that a lot of trans folks these days refer to themselves simply as “trans” rather than as men or women? It’s almost as if the actual gender part is less important than the transgressive aspect.

    I call them trans-whatever so that I get minimally involved in their derangement.

  106. Rob McX says:
    @RichardTaylor

    I can imagine the reaction:

    “From Cross Burner to Cross Dresser: How White Supremacists Are Poisoning LGBTQ+ Activism”.

  107. Anonymous[149] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    The voices also included white supremacists and neo-fascists.

    This is not really true. People were allowed to comment but actual WS or NF comments got people banned.

    Why did he ban those comments?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  108. Good fisking of the article, but you missed that Sandifer, one of Metz’s “experts” is a tranny who writes books about Dr Who, They Might Be Giants, and other favorites of male nerds like “her.” Classic autogynephile.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  109. Dumbo says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes. But the question is, why do so many people fall for this? Why do they get so many followers? Why was Marx so fascinating to so many? Why was Freud for a while so influential, when his theories, particularly the ones about dreams, are completely absurd? Why is “Jewish intellectual culture” so fascinating to so many White gentiles? I’m really asking; I don’t know. I personally believe it’s a form of hypnosis. Similar to what happens in cults.

    Some Jews have written interesting things, it’s true. But others, not so much.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
  110. Clyde says:
    @J.Ross

    J. Orlin Grabbe would be worth a few hundred million in bitcoin today. He was a hyper libertarian but rational and entertaining. Too bad he passed away about 10 years ago. I read his site a lot circa 2005. He was the “last of the independents”. Or one of the last.

  111. Mike Tre says:
    @JohnPlywood

    It blows my mind that the hindu troll John Plywood is able to incite so much feedback. This commenter is a pure fraud. Put him on ignore and be done with it.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  112. Hibernian says:
    @James N. Kennett

    For some of them, winning the girls’ 100 yard dash, when they can’t win the boys’, is the important thing.

  113. @TRAT

    >He described some feminists as something close to Voldemort, the embodiment of evil in the Harry Potter books.

    anyone happen to know what this was?

    https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/liz5wk/silicon_valleys_safe_space_nyt_publishes_its/gn87qfh/

    This is the top rated comment in the r/slatestarcodex thread. It is almost perfect.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  114. Donald J. Trump has been acquitted.

    • LOL: ATate
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @anon
  115. Heliocentrism is a view far too extreme for polite chatter. Burn his ass.

  116. Muggles says:

    As to the subject of this section on iSteve, I have no direct knowledge of any of the blogs mentioned other than a few prior references here on iSteve. As it is I can barely keep up with Steve’s stuff, since the garbage strewn out by the NYT and similar anti Thought publications is so voluminous.

    My comment is simply this: what happened to the classic point about free speech that says that if you censor certain ideas, you only make them more interesting to the curious? The silly but dangerous notion that “bad ideas” or “disinformation” must be suppressed is distinctly Dark Ages.

    Only very insecure people demand silence to opposing ideas. Sunlight is a great reality disinfectant.

    Sure, there are a few Flat Earthers around, so we are told. Druids dancing around nighttime bonfires too. Okay, not hurting anyone. The world is full of people with strange ideas and many unproven or unproveable beliefs. So what?

    The very notion that public online forums which only lightly moderate out the obviously crazy ranters should be put out of business is crazy. Why, it was only just a few years ago when ‘dissent’ was considered high praise by the very (now) Woke propaganda organs Steve now features.

    Squelching free speech and thought breeds paranoia and distrust. Paranoia and distrust are the classic breeding grounds of all kinds of nuttiness. Or even real evil.

    So are the New Censors and Blacklisters unaware of this? Or is is a deliberate effort to breed hate and craziness which would otherwise just die out on it’s own lack of merit? Fascists, Communists, Wokesters all have one thing in common. They need Enemies.

    So if they can’t find any real White Supremacists, is this illiberal rush to censorship merely a cunning device to ensure ample supplies of real crazies? Driven to the furthermost margins of discourse? Is the next step licensing the sale of paper, ink and printing presses, as in the USSR?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  117. @Forbes

    LOL! What planet is this lady on??

    Elizabeth Sandifer is not a lady. Real name is Philip Sandifer. Before ‘transitioning’, Philip was pro-pedophile (at least the ‘non-offending’ type): https://dorisvsutherland.com/2016/07/18/dirty-fanart-and-teenage-edgelords-thoughts-on-paedophilia-in-internet-culture/

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/09/anti-gamergate-is-pro-pedophile.html?m=1

    The fact that Philip Sandifer writes Doctor Who books reminds me that Toronto police have found that nearly all child abusers are Trekkies:
    https://archive.macleans.ca/article/2005/5/30/the-star-trek-connection

  118. @RichardTaylor

    There’s no contradiction. That was fake back in the day.

    I don’t think it was fake back in the day, Richard. Free speech helped the ctrl-left back in the 1960s, so they liked it. It doesn’t help them now, so now they don’t.

  119. @415 reasons

    because of their tabula rasa mentality they believe that those differences must be “only skin deep”

    Which is why White Meanies are deliberately withholding the giblets of their dear departed when it comes to organ transplants into PoX victims of Systemic hepatitis, cirrhosis, or whatever self-imposed disability.
    The racism of us Whites runs right through us, like the lettering in seaside candy (Brighton Rock).

    It’s inconceivable to these superstitious ideologues that “incompatibility” is a whole-organism-and-culture phenomenon, ain’t it? When I pick up some item in the store, the outside “skin” of the packaging tells me what I need to know (or assume to know) about the stuff inside.

  120. @Charles St. Charles

    Separated at birth?

    Foucault:

    Cade Metz:

    You-know-who:

    • Replies: @lord francis bacon
  121. @Stealth

    The goal is not merely transgender or transsexual or even transhuman.

    It’s transorganic. Like a Lich.

  122. The New York Times hasn’t previously had an issue with referring to public figures by their chosen pseudonyms, e.g. socialist podcaster Virgil Texas.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  123. @JohnnyWalker123

    Apple headline on phone (I have installed no app for this, just Big Brother deciding I need his take) says “only” 7 Rs voted to convict.

    At some point we’re going to have to determine if they know they’re doing this and if they do how we stop them.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  124. Rob McX says:
    @Forbes

    The “consequences” Sandifer refers to would be a reversion to a sane world that everyone took for granted until relatively recently. A world where racial differences were recognised as being ineradicable, where you were born either male or female and couldn’t change that, where people understood that a homogeneous society was more stable and successful, etc.

    The woke have inverted reality. The “consequences” that might ensue if right wing conservatives had their way are in fact what made civilization possible and without which it can’t survive.

  125. The SSC article was almost unrecognizable. SSC commenters were, as a group, the weeniest group of wimps I’d ever seen. Wrote a tweet thread on it.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
  126. Curle says:
    @Escher

    The NYT would never allow Musk to be placed into the AA category so whether he was greatest or not wouldn’t enter their zone of consciousness.

  127. Curle says:

    “and voices who might push back were kept at bay.”

    These voices never “push back” because they know the result will be embarrassment for them and their cult and validation for the rationalists. That’s why they resort to moral condemnation.

  128. Rob McX says:
    @Dumbo

    Why was Freud for a while so influential, when his theories, particularly the ones about dreams, are completely absurd?

    Theodore Dalrymple has a possible explanation for this:

    Neither the plausibility nor the persuasiveness of Freud’s speculations accounts for his influence on so many intelligent and well-educated people for so long; rather it was the convoluted implausibility of his speculations that attracted them. We all like to be in on a secret not comprehensible to others.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
  129. @JohnPlywood

    Even the people who don’t think they are Jewish are probably at least half Jewish, even if they’re not aware of it.

    Does a 17th-century Dutchman with a name that might be of Portuguese Sephardic origin make me “half-Jewish”?

    Oy! Or Oi!, as they say in that Portuguese colony.

  130. anon[819] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Donald J. Trump has been acquitted.

    Not really a surprise. I guess they’ll just have to impeach him again, over and over, until they get the result they want. Because tolerance requires hate, or something.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  131. @education realist

    There’s a definite S&M dynamic here that Steve (to his credit) is totally missing.

    What did we think would happen making Foucault the most cited scholar?

  132. @Desiderius

    Yeah, I wasn’t even thinking about the sexual kink aspect, and thank you VERY much for reminding me because ick.

  133. @candid_observer

    If you wish to understand the world, you need to start from true premises, and follow them to true conclusions. That’s the only way knowledge can be advanced.

    This, but notice something really important – the requirement for true premises restricts the domain to epistemic ways of looking at the world (that’s fine by me, but it does not comport with a very large range of belief systems).

    If your premises are beliefs, and there is no guarantee that the conclusions will be true. Because there is no formal logical link between belief and truth.

    It is the millennia-long battle between doxa and episteme. Doxa has always been viewed as a more primitive and less reliable way of approaching deduction.

    WokeBorgers believe in things. They are encouraged to believe that believing [in] a thing is the same as it being true.

    They don’t understand the difference between doxastic and epistemic premises, and their deductions can be untrue while being logically consistent.

    Let’s say that one of my premises is that race is a social construct.

    That premise can not be a fact – because it flies in the face of evidence – but it can still be a belief.

    The Stanford Library of Philosophy is a terrific resource – its page on Epistemic Logic is really informative.

    Once you look at the modal consequences of belief, it all makes sense: in epistemic logic[s], there is axiomatic veridicality . Knowledge is veridical: only true propositions can be known.

    Notationally:

     • K[a]φ→φ

    – i.e., if a thing φ is Known [by agent a], then it is true.

    This is not the case for beliefs, which is why doxastic logic[s] are much less useful (although just as rigorous).

     • B[a]φ↛φ

    If a thing φ is Believed [by agent a], then there is no requirement that it is true.

    There is no requirement that doxastic premises are true: there is no inconsistency with maintaining a belief in a thing that is known to be false.

    The big problem is that people think that their beliefs constitute knowledge, when they don’t.

    People are incorrectly taught that their beliefs/opinions/guesses are logically equivalent to facts – and the more fervently they believe a thing, the more they believe they are entitled to do violence to force their beliefs on others.

    The Wokeborg is a religion, is what I’m saying.

    • Thanks: vhrm
    • Replies: @nebulafox
  134. @Reg Cæsar

    Do you have prosopagnosia? Cade Metz looks barely human, while Foucault’s face evinces one who is still a child at heart (as well as evil).

  135. @Mike Tre

    Can’t let his witless lies just lay there, though. Could mislead those who are less autistic about genealogy than me and my kin. Might seem plausible to the casual reader, who knows not (nor cares) all that much about European history.

  136. We are now at a new place in History: if a “white supremacist” as defined by the NYT, says that the earth is round, all must vehemently disagree. Further, if said supremacist uses any form of media or commerce that he cannot be cut off from, then all responsible parties must then destroy that media or commerce.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    , @ben tillman
  137. So what makes Scott X “Jewy”?

    I guess I’d say: rational, skeptical, a little coarse at times, unpretentious, tenacious.

    And I would wager most of those characteristics are common to individuals, men especially, of high IQ.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  138. @Stolen Valor Detective

    Any NYT journalist who wrote about “Bruce Jenner” would be in big trouble.

  139. @Morton's toes

    Don’t fret, the ever-reliable BBC (malevolent state broadcaster, not purveyor of various exotic meats) is onto the question. They’ve been banging on about this for the last couple of weeks already.

    The definition of “Evil”? Surely not a mere cultural relativist and fundamentally superstitious label?
    Is, for ex., the CCP’s behaviour towards certain foreign minorities within its military and political grasp .. Evil?
    Not according to the CCP. Or how “cartels”, muslim fanatics and African peasants deal with perceived transgressors of their cultural norms (check Liveleak and so on). So there.

  140. @anon

    It can be an annual tradition, like Christmas, Easter, Covid lockdowns, etc.

  141. @Matt Buckalew

    I’m just tired of dorks in general if you didn’t fuck at least one cheerleader in high school we don’t need to hear from you.

    All the hot chix played soccer at the real high schools, dork.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  142. @Anonymous

    Refuting Moldbug is like refuting Amos.

    Category error.

  143. @Known Fact

    I could not care less about all these weighty intellectual relationships and all this Rationalist inside baseball — so imagine the confusion and apathy of NYT readers who never saw the blog at all.

    You’re missing the point, which is that Rationalism, like Libertarianism, is a problematic right wing movement that needs to be added to the list of Domestic Terrorists. This will interest NYT readers a great deal.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  144. @Anonymous

    (1) He is actually extremely leftist. (2) Often comments that are actually WS or NF are not strictly rational but rely on preference or other non-objective assumptions.

  145. Polistra says:
    @The Alarmist

    “If your opponents bring a knife to a fight, you should bring a gun”

    I never even knew Obama said that. Imagine if Trump..

  146. @BB753

    This is 14 hours old by the way. I haven’t finished it yet. I have to really be in mood to read an entire moldbug.

    https://graymirror.substack.com/p/scott-alexander-the-disappointed

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  147. Polistra says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “There are things that are known: cops are corrupt agents of violent white supremacism; Black lives matter; burning down police stations is awesome. These are important things.”

    “All cops are bastards. If you are financially able to donate to activists fighting systemic racism, do it. If not, at least speak out. See you tomorrow.”

    It might be fun to try to distill Universal Lunatic Wokery down to just a few choice words or phrases. I believe this lady is pointing the way.

  148. wren says:

    https://archive.fo/G6wQE

    This political persecution has gotten out of hand.

    Metz gloats that his blackmail forced ssc to out himself.

    “He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself.”

    “In his first post, Mr. XXX shared his full name.”

  149. MEH 0910 says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Even the people who don’t think they are Jewish are probably at least half Jewish, even if they’re not aware of it.
    […]
    In fact, if you’re reading this now, I suspect there’s a 80-90% probability that you have at least 5% Jewish ancestry.

  150. TWS says:
    @James N. Kennett

    That’s like saying the tiny brewery my friend has is a threat to anhauser busch because his beer is better than theirs.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  151. @Muggles

    [blockquote]No, Jill is Dr. Comrade Biden.[\blockquote]

    Nein, Frau Doktor Kameradin Biden.

  152. Polistra says:
    @danand

    “I understand that I fell short in these moments and in many others and benefited from a system that condones misogyny and racism.”

    Exactly what system is that? Because the system under which the rest of us live is one where you can be completely destroyed merely by being accused of either of those things. What system is he talking about?

  153. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:

    Sam Altman handled it the right way. Don’t let the bastard journalist think he’s got any leverage on you; instead make him feel like a schmuck for needing copy dictated to him that he should have been able to whip up on his own from a GED background. Then call back and bug him/her some more, with minor cavils and some ego-readjustment questions to expose his/her own ignorance about the subject. Media drones especially on the hall-monitor/doxxing beat are very self-loathing and insecure & hoping to scare you with a dead fish in wrapping paper before it gets to the stage of actual intellectual dispute that can only serve their own humiliation. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules” -Saul Alinsky

  154. Bumpkin says:
    @MLK

    Now even monumental human advancements require collaboration and enormous resources.

    This is complete and utter bullshit. First off, why “even monumental?” Was Los Alamos all the product of one man, presumably Oppenheimer built the atomic bomb by himself in the desert?

    Second, you are literally rolling in opportunity and are feeded, clothed, and doctored (well, at least they aren’t killing you with leeches now) far better than anyone in history. If you can’t see all the low-hanging fruit of intellectual opportunities in front of you, there is no way you’d ever have come up with the idea of sticking some food in between two slices of bread.

    I, for one, am thankful I live in this time of plenty and look forward to the great intellectual advancements coming that are enabled by the Internet.

    I’m hoping someday that someone will explain to me what they really hope and expect to accomplish with all this mindless anti-intellectualism.

    What did Stalin hope to accomplish by sending everyone else with any power or influence to the Gulag in his periodic purges? The only goal is to gain power by demolishing anyone else who might get in the way: if you think they have any understanding of the intellect or open discourse, you don’t understand the human monkeys you’re dealing with.

    It is no coincidence that radio took off in the ’20s and a decade later you had the war to end all wars. The Internet allows messages to get out at much greater speed, and until people get used to it and build new systems of truth verification, all kinds of hucksters will use the new medium to try and grab power, whether Trump or Bernie or Red Nikole.

    • Replies: @MLK
  155. From experiences – people who are ‘far-right’ & ‘HBD’ engage in the same malicious behaviour of doxxing. I don’t think you can only criticise Antifa and hard left-wing for it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  156. @Anonymous

    Most of what Moldbug originally wrote about has been refuted or been shown to have been quite off base.

    Refuted? Refutation is out of style my friend, debunking is the rage now.

    I always love to see the phrase “has been refuted” or “has been debunked” – it reflects a laziness that allows me to ignore the bearer and move on, since they never provide or point to the “debunking”.

  157. @education realist

    I wrote several thoughtful comments there (around ten or so).
    Each comment was crafted with care, and was an eloquent expression of my views.

    My pleas with the midwits there to abandon, or to at least reconsider, their unwitting pro-choice agenda —- all those comments were mercilessly deleted.

    I respect any brave heterosexual man without a betrothed or wife (even the ones who are toying, sadly, with the idea of polyamory) who seeks to impart mental health to others in the exercise of his chosen profession, even in the absence of real success in his own life, but, let’s face it, this is just a liberal-liberal spat.

  158. @Steve Sailer

    When Bo Winegard was fired from his job a bunch of ‘HBD’ people offered a $200 reward to dox the Twitter user ‘Afrosapiens’ (he doesn’t use his real name) who admitted to sending emails that got Winegard fired. There are numerous other examples (note I did not support Winegard being fired, but at the same time I don’t think the person who sent the emails should be harassed and doxxed.)

    The ‘HBD’ columnist on this website, Lance Welton created an article on here doxxing my parents and then trying to dox my street address (but he posted the wrong street). These are the same despicable tactics Antifa use.

  159. Rob says:
    @TRAT

    I do not remember the title of the piece. Oh, wait, yes, I do. Well I’m not going to delete all that. The piece was ‘Untitled’. It is about the way feminists talk about nerds feeling they are entitled to women, but are really subhuman. He compared the feminists’ anti-nerd crusade with anti-Semitism, which is maybe going too far, but there are some parallels, and said a fair number of the nerds ‘called out’ as misogynistic were in fact Jews.

    It is worth a read. Scott does not do his even-handed, infinite patience thing. It is pretty clear he feels his ingroup is being attacked.

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/01/01/untitled/

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Rob
  160. Polistra says:
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    unpretentious

    Have you ever been anywhere near New York, Miami, or Los Angeles by chance?

    • Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost
  161. @Polistra

    There’s an earnest coarseness to a lot of Jewish dialogue in those places too. And such pretension that does exist there is common to the asshole WASPs who also live in those places. So maybe it’s a class-based thing among rich liberal Jews?

    I own that my Jewish radar isn’t strong. I really don’t care whether elite whites are Jewish or WASP or Asian, only that they fuck off and leave me alone. People like Dr. Scott X here does seem to want to leave me alone, whereas the Jews and Gentiles at the NYT seem to want to feed me to the black and brown hordes, in hopes they get killed last.

  162. @Chrisnonymous

    Thanks Chris, a good summary, I figured I was missing some kind of point in there, at various levels. My own point is, how can even stridently censorious lefties (and the loyal NYT readership) battle the threat of Rationalism without simply wanting to drift quietly off to sleep, with a nice warm latte and black-and-white cookie? It’s not exactly Dodgers vs. Giants or Michigan–Ohio State. As a Mixed Martial Arts TV ad might intone, It’s Banally Evil vs. Earnestly Boring, winner take all for the fate of the universe!

    tldr God these people are all so tedious

    • Replies: @anon
  163. Anonymous[860] • Disclaimer says:

    How hard would it be for a wealthy patron to just commit up front to giving each of Steve, Scott Alexander, Ricky Vaughn, Heartiste, and, say, Scott Greer a $200,000/year stipend for the next 20 years?

    That’s $20 million spread over two decades, right? A lot of wealthy people wouldn’t even notice a difference.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Bumpkin
  164. nebulafox says:
    @Kratoklastes

    >The Wokeborg is a religion, is what I’m saying.

    Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

  165. Note that what Charles Murray wrote in “The Bell Curve” was that the economy was transforming into one where cognitive skills were in more demand and people with lower cognitive skills were in less demand. Therefore, groups with lower cognitive skills, as measured by, e.g., IQ, would get hammered.

    So he was saying that, hey guys, in the new cognitive economy blacks could get hammered.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Alden
  166. MLK says:
    @Bumpkin

    I knew by the end you were going to open up a mouth about Trump.

  167. MEH 0910 says:


    [MORE]

  168. J.Ross says:
    @Muggles

    We now have a critical mass of vocal people who consider themselves normal who think censorship is good and want more of it, following the nudging of our unusually inferior elites and their mass media puppets.

  169. J.Ross says:
    @MEH 0910

    Singal has not yet figured put that the MO of the lyingpress is to put a lie out there, quietly tolerate refutation at the time of lying, then later refer back to the lie as though they were quoting an expert, and solidifying the impression of its truth for low-information readers, just like Robert Graves describes newspapers doing to get people to want WWI. This is literally what the press has always done.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  170. J.Ross says:
    @Rob

    Women have been encouraged to feel undisguised false-accusation-enabling supremacist exterminationist hatred for men in the hope that they would become more aggressive in fighting rapists and slimeballs. There are men against whom women would have a legitimate animus, but they tend to appear clearly only on TV. Women being women instead blow the slimeballs and deploy the hatred against people they once merely looked down upon. It’s just like when the US wastes aid on the Third World and then cannot figure out why the shiny new technology couldn’t dislodge pre-existing local programming.

  171. anon[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Known Fact

    tldr God these people are all so tedious

  172. @JohnnyWalker123

    That came later, although I had good friends on the team (and among the cheerleaders, who were sweet in a Fin de siècle way).

  173. MEH 0910 says:

    Glenn Greenwald:

    Conway’s public accusation of criminality against his own group came after they tried to intimidate a journalist, Amanda Becker, who was working to report on the group’s various scandals. Shortly before 11:00 pm ET on Thursday night, the Lincoln Project Twitter account, which has close to three million followers, announced that it was posting the private communications between Becker and Jennifer Horn, the group’s co-founder who recently resigned, in order to reveal how the two were, in their words, conspiring to produce “a smear job on the Lincoln Project.”

    The unknown person operating the Lincoln Project’s Twitter page then posted excerpts of the inbox of Jennifer Horn’s personal Twitter account as well as the private messages she was exchanging with Becker about the story. Whoever saw those tweets could therefore read not only Horn’s private messages with Becker but also the identity of the last six or seven people with whom Horn had privately communicated, as well as parts of their conversations. In a subsequent tweet, the group posted even more extensive conversations between their now dissident co-founder and this journalist.


    [MORE]

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  174. @MEH 0910

    Lol he starts the thread at “hey guys maybe we should care about our credibility and stuff think there’s anybody out there that might notice that we’re incompetent liars?” and gets immediately bullied into “to be sure Moldbug is beyond the pale for talking about how to defend himself.”

  175. Anon[333] • Disclaimer says:

    The Times has learned that they can make money by targeting instead of reporting. The reason they can do this is because there are so many non-whites in this country who seethe with envy and greed for what whites have. The old Anglo-Saxon American society would never have tolerated a news media like this. However, the power of the media will decline once all the white males are gone from the newspapers. The remainder isn’t clever enough to keep a media outlet going. They can’t run anything with the white men gone.

    By the way, I don’t think it has occurred to the media that they’re really only interested in white males. Women and POC reporters are constantly stalking white males all over the place. They are as obsessed with white males like Ahab was with Moby Dick, and obsessions like that are not psychologically healthy.

  176. Rob says:
    @Rob

    My mistake. That is not one where he compares (some) feminists to Voldemort. Still worth reading. NYT ‘journalist’ may have been mistaken. On SSC, they called Mencius Moldbug ‘Voldemort’ and neo-reactionaries ‘Death Eaters’ or maybe ‘Dth eatrs’. Not to try to fool anyone who read there, but to prevent the people being discussed to find them with a casual googling. Scott Alexander and Mencius Moldbug would create the literary equivalent of, depending on your preferred metaphor, either a black hole or the Marching Mirons, in the original sense of Chinese walking two abreast through a gate. The whole population of China could never go through. There are more kids born in a minute than the number who can walk through the gate in a minute, so…

    I am quite sure that no one could read a discussion between the two in less time than it would take them to write more. I do not think much of Moldbug, but do like Scott Alexander, so I think any comparisons between the two are unfair to Scott. I never got the impression that he was creating propaganda to blame Unitarians for Jewish anti-white behaviors.

    Just the Moldbuggerer take on monarchy. A monarch would run the country as well as Jobs ran Apple. Because? Um, that would be nice? No matter that real-world monarchs did not run their countries so well. Nor, come to think of it, did Jobs run Apple so well during his first bite at the Apple.

  177. @JohnPlywood

    I long thought of myself of Jewish on the basis of family lore — in the way that the junior senator from the Bay State thought of herself as American Indian. But Science! and Ms. Wojcicki disabused me of that notion.

    Not that I have been tested or would ever give consent to being tested. I know this in the way Mountain Men are said to pool, ahem, medical samples to save on lab fees for their family medical checkups.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  178. @Rob McX

    But I also admire him: he saved one of his kids from a rare disease by inventing a new medical treatment, from which he made his second fortune. That’s like a plot twist in a Heinlein novel.

    More than a few of these late onset M-to-F ex-men are that kind of white male Nietzschean ubermensch.

  179. @bomag

    [commenters on the site ranged] religiously from Catholic to atheist

    LOL. What a spread.

    There are some Protestants too. Definitely a significant underrepresentation of those groups that make emotionality and low-class aesthetics central to the appeal.

  180. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @Morton's toes

    Someone please help me understand:

    What is it that makes both Moldbug and Scott erupt with verbal diarrhea all the time? Sure thing, both are very insightful and frequently original guys. But why can’t they express themselves succinctly?

    Is it inability to filter an important from unimportant? Is it narcissistic love for every fleeting thought that crossed their minds?

    • Agree: BB753
  181. @Anonymous

    Scott Alexander has pretty much taken over the Yudkowsky Cult through talent and made it a more or less good thing. Scott doesn’t have a cult leader’s personality.

    • Agree: Not Only Wrathful
    • Replies: @education realist
  182. Lurker says:
    @MLK

    I’m hoping someday that someone will explain to me what they really hope and expect to accomplish with all this mindless anti-intellectualism.

    The destruction of European civilisation. We’re not seeing a means to an end, we’re seeing the end itself.

    Sure, the street level woketards are mere Outer Party members (true believers) but can’t articulate why all this needs to happen.

  183. @Steve Sailer

    That may or may not be true, but he’s well aware his followers worship him and acts accordingly.

  184. @Anonymous

    It won’t be me. I have long been boggled by the Scott Alexander cult. It’s not that I don’t like him. He is an excellent deconstructor, going through a really compelling series of “if-thens” to some interesting conclusions.

    But his fiction is awful, and well, look, I write long. But he writes novels. And they’re just not all that compelling.

    His most famous article is only famous because the people inside the cocoon are struck by its wisdom. Anyone outside the cocoon is like, uh, duh?

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  185. Anonymous[535] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Trump represented a speed bump in their road to push race mixing to reduce the European peoples “Once And For All” (TM). For that, he must be punished.

    What do you mean by “reduce the European peoples”?

    What is the motivation for people to “push race mixing”?

    • Replies: @Rob
  186. Anonymous[535] • Disclaimer says:
    @Christopher Chantrill

    So he was saying that, hey guys, in the new cognitive economy blacks could get hammered.

    Murray was wrong, wasn’t he. It turns out that Whites are the ones that have gotten hammered. Especially the White demographic with higher cognitive skills. Just look at birthrates, outmarriage.

  187. black sea says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Smoking Area. (I went to high school in the 70s.)

  188. black sea says:
    @Matt Buckalew

    if you didn’t fuck at least one cheerleader in high school we don’t need to hear from you.

    https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/7904e0fa-5b3b-4ae5-86cf-5b0fa4259b8c

  189. Alden says:
    @Christopher Chantrill

    But affirmative action blacks have done extremely well. As anyone entering a government building, non profit office or the greatly expanding HR departments of every private business, hospital administration etc.

    The women minority gay and weirdo non profit sector is fast over taking the private sector.

    There’s probably more MA graduates in Social Justice Entrepreneurship than MBAs every year. Or soon will be. There are even PHD programs in social justice entrepreneurship. Aka grant grifting.

    Why do Murray and the rest of the IQ mavens consistently ignore affirmative action 50 years after it’s obvious affirmative action status trump’s brains work habits even showing up on time?

    The White American men I went to Stanford with in the early 1960s moved to Mountain View and built Silicon Valley. Their White American sons must be as intelligent as they. But you didn’t find them in 1990s SV after the great purge of Whites.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  190. @Anonymous

    Names like Hart, Cellar,

    Who made it harder for Mexicans to enter the US?

    Emma Lazarus

    You’re confusing the way people now use the poem with the person’s actual beliefs. Emma Lazarus was referring to people from Europe. She was a product of her time and would never have even thought it possible that her poem would be read as referring to random Africans and Indians and so on.

  191. Rob says:
    @Anonymous

    No worries Anon(1). I the Great and Mighty Rob! will answer the first of these questions asked in totally good faith!

    As helpfully elucidated in the mnemonic OIL RIG, Oxidation is Losing (electrons). Reduction is Gaining (electrons). To reduce the European peoples is to add electrons to them. This reduces the partial charge on European peoples. So a European (+1) would be reduced to a European (0). Further reducing this European would bring his formal charge to -1. While this is a formality for the covalently bonded European, a European in a soluble ionic compound would be a free ion with a negative one charge when dissolved in solvent.

    Remember, redox reactions ALWAYS occur in pairs. If a European is reduced, another species is oxidized!

    The reduced European (-1 or lower) is more soluble than the covalently bonded European, and thus is more easily found in mixed-race solutions.

    Lo! I have answered both or your sincere questions! Praise be upon me!

  192. duncsbaby says:
    @ValleyBoyPhD

    Nothing wrong w/a little TMBG.

  193. MLK says:
    @Lurker

    The destruction of European civilisation.

    If that were true, that European Civilization falls without the NYT, then it will die and deservedly so. But to understate it, that’s overwrought.

    The NYT is the Kodak of newspapers. Its business has been creatively destroyed.

    That isn’t the half of it, reputation-wise newspapers are like restaurants. Not j’What have you done for me lately?’ but what are you doing for me today.

    I stopped reading it because it’s an insult to my intelligence. At this point it’s The Cult Awareness Network after the Scientologists bankrupted it and relaunched it as a mouthpiece for their cult.

    Believe me, I’m not a pollyanna. The subject matter here is the NYT, and, with all due respect to Steve, if he can so effortlessly make a monkey out of that army of Harvard et. al. grads then it is deep trouble. Yes, “One riot, one ranger,” but c’mon.

    Surely you’ve noticed that there is much that doesn’t make sense of late, and increasingly so. If it’s all part of The Plan for global brands to destroy themselves then I’m here to tell you that’s a dumb plan. Gillette running a Super Bowl commercial of a father teaching his Trans Man daughter (or is it the other way around, I can’t be bothered to get it right) how to shave? How did that make it from conception through to approval?!

    Maybe the joke is on all of us since while I wish it were different as some form of cosmic justice, no amount of studied degradation can kill a global brand. All you gotta do is wait a little while and pour in enough talent and money (e.g. the Batman franchise) and Presto!

  194. MEH 0910 says:
    @Anonymous

  195. @education realist

    Have you ever read any of the Talmud?

  196. @Chrisnonymous

    To me it was the most polite comment section around, polite sometimes to a fault — people often earnestly walking on eggshells to avoid triggering each other, or anyone else. Not my thing but you can’t deny the overall quality of the enterprise.

    Someone made the intriguing observation that the NYT and its readers are not just censorious but also simply jealous because Scott and his readers do a better job, at a higher level. Part of my frustration with the NYT and writers like Mr Metz is that newspapers should not even be trying to operate at this level — there’s too much urgent news, urgent to the general population and even to NYT readers, going unreported right in front of their smug little faces.

  197. @Forbes

    The Rationalists are like those berobed, high-forehead sci-fi aliens who through pristine unemotional reason know exactly what’s best for primitive planets like Earth, if only we’d listen. They have no need for killer ray-guns, just their interminable self-satisfied dialogue is enough to put everyone to sleep, thus saving the galaxy from total destruction

  198. @MEH 0910

    “Right are some direct quotes from the version of the memo Gizmodo published.”

    At the time, a Gizmodo feminazi lied about the memo. She posted a version of it without any footnotes, and asserted that that was how James Damore had published it, with no references to any scientific research, just top-of-his-male-chauvinist-pig-head rantings. In fact, Damore had supported his work with serious, scholarly footnotes.

    But that’s how feminists work.

    • Agree: MEH 0910
  199. @Lurker

    Several years ago, I saw a movie in which a character played by Michael Caine spoke of certain people as “just wanting to see the world burn.”

    Some younger people are confused by their line of “social justice” b.s., but SJWs are just the bastard great-great-great (and so on) grandchildren of Thrasymachus, and the grandchildren of Pol Pot.

  200. @Anonymous

    And you know who the worst Jews of all were? Jack, Bobby, and Ted Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson! Bringing up the rear were those other awful Jews: Bill and Hillary Clinton, Bush II, and Barry Soetoro.

    I could name more Jews, but hopefully, you get the idea.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  201. @Lurker

    I thought the goal was White Genocide. However, there’s nothing uniquely Jewish about it. Racial socialists wish to impose a Final Solution to the White Question, because they seek to impose an eternal, impoverished, totalitarian dictatorship dominated by violent, irrational imbeciles, and run by people a few IQ points higher, and White people would get in the way.

    The Jews who support the White Genocide Project, also seek to bring about Holocaust II for the Jews. I wrote about that a couple of years ago:

    “Never Again Action’s Communist Jews Want Open Borders to Wipe Out America–and Israel”
    https://vdare.com/articles/never-again-action-s-communist-jews-want-open-borders-to-wipe-out-america-and-israel

  202. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @Inquiring Mind

    Not that I have been tested or would ever give consent to being tested. I know this in the way Mountain Men are said to pool, ahem, medical samples to save on lab fees for their family medical checkups.

    Please explain?

  203. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

  204. Pheasant says:
    @dvorak

    ‘Yes, because IQ=160’

    His writing is masturbation.

    A prime example of Jewish pseudo-intellectualism, talking loudly but saying little.

    He will be fine because he is in with Peter Thiel.

  205. Pheasant says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    Lyndon Johnson was very famously a crypto Jew and Obama’s mother was a Sephardic Jewess. Try harder.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  206. @Pheasant

    You can’t be any more obviously Jewish-looking than 6’3.5″ LBJ:

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  207. @Anonymous

    OK I finally got to the end of Moldbug’s piece. This involved considerable skimming as I am not a masochist.

    1. he knows points A, B, and C where Scott has made a goof
    2. he is not a Rationalist and the NYTimes writer is a fool for even suggesting so
    3. he posts the NYTimes reporter’s e-mails to him cut-and-pasted
    (I always thought this was considered to be extremely rude. I know for a fact Miss Manners condemns it.)
    4. he says the Donald weighs 280 pounds
    5. 6-3 & 280 is BMI=35.2 and well into the obese red zone
    6. no citation is provided for this

    7. there were two excellent book recommendations that I will buy when I can scarf a real cheap used copy
    8. his general critique of Rationalists is pretty good
    9. also he had this ready to go–there is no way he wrote all of that after the NYTimes went to print

  208. Bumpkin says:
    @Anonymous

    How hard would it be for those writers to get on Substack or start a blog using Ghost or some other platform and charge their readers for 70% of their posts- keep 30% as free samples- and garner 20k subscribers paying $10/year or 40k subscribers paying $5/year? Considering how many writers or audio/video podcasters make multiples of that on Patreon/Substack/YouTube now, why would a centi-millionaire step in when it is so easy for them to do it themselves, provided they have a real audience?

  209. Pheasant says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Lol

    Post a picture of his wife lady bird Johnson. It was openly acknowledged she was a Jew. acknowledged

    ‘Operation Texas
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    Operation Texas was an alleged undercover operation to relocate European Jews to Texas, USA, away from Nazi persecution, first reported in a 1989 Ph.D. dissertation by Louis Stanislaus Gomolak at the University of Texas at Austin titled Prologue: LBJ’s foreign-affairs background, 1908-1948.[1] The following are some of the key arguments of the dissertation:

    In 1938, Lyndon B. Johnson, then a Congressman and later the 36th President of the United States of America, worked covertly to establish a refuge in Texas for European Jews fleeing Nazi Germany.[2] Johnson helped hundreds of European Jews enter Texas through Cuba, Mexico and South America.
    In part, Johnson was influenced in his attitude towards the Jews by the religious beliefs that his family, especially his grandfather (Samuel Ealy Johnson Sr.), who was a member of the Christadelphian church, shared with him.[3][4] Christadelphians believe that the Jews are God’s chosen people,[5] and LBJ’s grandfather once said to him, “Take care of the Jews, God’s chosen people. Consider them your friends and help them any way you can.”[3]’

    He also covered up the U.SS liberty attack.

    • Replies: @anon
  210. vinteuil says:
    @Desiderius

    What did we think would happen making Foucault the most cited scholar?

    Is Michel Foucault really “the most cited scholar?”

    That hideous pervert who spent his entire adult life creeping on disgusted young men?

    And who gave even Derrida a run for his money when it came to awful, stupid, deliberately obscure writing?

  211. anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pheasant

    Post a picture of his wife lady bird Johnson. It was openly acknowledged she was a Jew.

    lol.
    She was descended from a noted English Protestant martyr Roland Taylor
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowland_Taylor

    Nearly all of her ancestors arrived in Virginia in the 1600’s and 1700’s, probably indentured servants from England with maybe some Scots thrown in the mix.

    Not Jewish.

  212. MEH 0910 says:

    Kevin Roose Retweeted:

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  213. MEH 0910 says:

  214. MEH 0910 says:
    @J.Ross

  215. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

  216. MEH 0910 says:

    Decoding Slate Star Codex | Robert Wright & Will Wilkinson [The Wright Show]

    1:39​ How one of Will’s tweets went awry
    13:13​ Who are the Rationalists?
    20:43​ Explaining the Slate Star Codex/New York Times controversy
    27:38​ Journalism’s epistemological challenges
    37:36​ Open debate and its discontents
    50:50​ Will: SSC has been exploited by people with dangerous ideas
    59:54​ The (over)reaction to the Times’ SSC piece
    1:18:23​ Why homogenous groups overestimate their objectivity

    Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhism Is True) and Will Wilkinson (Model Citizen). Recorded February 15, 2020.

    Comments on BhTV: https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/61078

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  217. Ian M. says:

    Like the Rationalists, they believed that A.I could end up turning against humanity, and because they held this belief, they felt they were among the only ones who were prepared to built it in a safe way.

    In 2014, Google bought DeepMind for $650 million. The next year, Elon Musk — who also worried A.I. could destroy the world…

    Good grief, these ‘Rationalists’ are a bunch of retards.

    The Rationalists of Descartes’s day were so much more formidable, not a bunch of comic-con larpers with the stunted intellects equivalent to that of a particularly obtuse salad.

  218. Ian M. says:

    The ideas they [at Slate Star Codex] exchanged were often controversial — connected to gender, race and inherent ability, for example — and voices who might push back were kept at bay.

    Ah ok, so according to the NYT, restricting speech that might push back is bad.

    At Twitter and Facebook, leaders were reluctant to remove words from their platforms — even when those words were untrue or could lead to violence. …

    At some A.I. labs, they release products — including facial recognition systems, digital assistants and chatbots — even while knowing they can be biased against women and people of color, and sometimes spew hateful speech.’

    Ah ok, so according the NYT, not restricting speech that might push back is bad.

  219. Ian M. says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Because Rationalism is an ideology rather than being synonymous with rational thought. The Rationalist ideology regards technical knowledge, i.e., the sort of knowledge that can be laid out in abstract propositions in a book, that can be applied mechanically via set rules and procedures, and that (falsely) appears to be comprehensive, as the only sort of knowledge there is.

    Libertarianism is particularly amenable to this sort of thinking.

    See Michael Oakeshott’s essay Rationalism in Politics for a much more thorough explanation.

  220. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

    https://mynewbandis.substack.com/p/slate-star-clusterfuck

    [MORE]

    Slate Star Clusterfuck
    (By Elizabeth Spiers.)

    […]
    Here I should note that I was a reader of Slate Star Codex and have subscribed to Scott’s Substack. I think it has some meaningful value or I wouldn’t have been a reader.
    […]
    And in Scott’s post he unwittingly demonstrates that even his thinking is sometimes muddied on that front. “I have repeatedly blogged about studies suggesting that women are underrepresented in tech not because of explicit discrimination on the part of tech companies,” he writes, “but because women lose interest in tech very early, at least by high school (high school computer science classes are something like 80% male, the same as big tech companies).”

    The idea that women lose interest, in the context of what Scott is saying, implies that they just, I dunno, get bored with it. In fact, they are explicitly discouraged and in some cases heavily disincentivized to pursue it. Even studies put out by big tech companies acknowledge that it’s not about innate interest in the topic; it’s about social dynamics: peer pressure, lack of role models, and the fact that girls are punished more heavily for failure, which is a problem when learning to code is about failing repeatedly and learning from it.
    […]
    In my early 20s, I was what I called then a socially liberal and fiscally conservative libertarian. My first job out of college was at an early social network, and then I worked for a colorful (if ethically challenged) hedge fund guy, covering tech equities as an analyst. This is around the time I met Balaji and just before Nick and I started Gawker. I would have been an SSC super-fan at the time, if SSC had existed.

    I am now what SSC fans would probably derisively call an SJW, the implication being that caring about justice is some kind of weakness, or superficiality, or a posture, something that can only ever manifest as performance. My ideological shift happened incrementally, over years. Most people never shift ideologically. The biggest predictor of what your ideology is now is what your parent’s ideology was throughout your childhood. (A notable and important exception is when your parents shove their beliefs down your throat, but mine didn’t particularly, at least not as much as the parents of some of my peers.)

    Anyway: I grew up in a deeply conservative and reactionary Evangelical community in rural Alabama and did not meet an honest-to-god liberal until I went to college at Duke in 1995.
    […]
    I also grew up around people who had very strong ideas about abortion and guns, and periodically liked to remind me, an adoptee, that I was lucky I had not been aborted myself, which was not quite the beautiful sentiment they thought it was.
    […]
    And I stayed conservative(ish) for most of college. I wanted to work in international security and my mentor in the political science department was a Republican former member of the National Security Council who had been protege of Samuel Huntington’s at Harvard. (We’re still in touch and i love him, even though we no longer agree on … most things.) My early ideological shift away from a very right wing conservatism was mostly precipitated by reading and interrogating my own ideas once I had access to, well, more things to read.

    But later it was more heavily influenced by real world experience. One of my younger brothers was a veteran who was in and out of prison for a while, and that rammed home to me the inequalities in our criminal justice system and how abusive it is, particularly to young Black men. It also underscored how ill-equipped we are as a society to address issues of mental health. When he began hearing voices and telling people he could predict their futures, the VA could only help him in limited ways, through no fault of the people who tried–it was overburdened and under-resourced as an institution. All of these factors contributed to his death, at the age of 36, in 2015. And he had more help and more advantages than a lot of people—including family who were willing and able to suspend their own lives and potentially bankrupt themselves to deal with it.

    These were not failures of individual responsibility on the part of people who suffered.
    They were structural problems, often rooted in discrimination.

    I also worked in industries that said they were meritocracies but consistently promoted less qualified white men at the expense of women and people of color.
    […]
    Slowly, I began to believe that justice issues matter and affect everything. I never thought of myself as privileged–my dad was a local lineman for Alabama Power, my birth mom is a high school dropout, i was the first person in both my biological and adoptive family to go to college–I mean, you’ve heard this kind of story before; it’s not extraordinary.

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