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From The Telegraph:

Science Museum boards up display on early human migration because it is ‘non-inclusive’

Craig Simpson
Sat, January 8, 2022,

The Science Museum [in London] has boarded up a display on DNA and early human migration as part of work to address its “non-inclusive narrative”.

Curators are to alter the “Who Am I?” gallery covering human biology, including a cabinet that deals with genetics.

The display explaining mankind’s migration from Africa was earmarked for alteration in order to “update (the) non-inclusive narrative”, internal documents show, and the exhibit has been boarded up.

The display titled “How Did You Get Here?” stressed humanity’s common lineage, with a panel stating that the “human journey began in Africa” and “all humans alive today descend from African ancestors”.

Maps in the display also showed how mankind ultimately spread to the Americas and Polynesia, and displayed figurines, model boats, a bow, and drum to illustrate the far-flung areas of Homo Sapien colonisation

The cabinet on prehistoric “pioneers who open up new worlds” has been covered with white hoardings that state staff are “updating the contents of this case” and asking visitors to “bear with us and enjoy the rest of the gallery”.

A nearby plinth titled “Out of Africa” – the name of the theory of human migration from the continent – is now bare, but a display on “the first European” remains in place.

The Science Museum has not given a schedule for the changes to the display, and has not clarified which specific objects in the cabinet resulted in the display being assessed as “non-inclusive”.

It will be interesting to find out what the curators are changing.

Is it the Out-of-Africa stuff? Whites tend to be enraptured by the Out of Africa theory saying they are descended from Africans, but lots of other people aren’t. Perhaps some tribes objected that Out-of-Africa undermines their claims to have always been there, or maybe South Asians and Chinese objected?

Out-of-Africa is a pretty solid theory, although Harvard’s David Reich said in 2018 that it appeared a little less solid than it had in 2008. I don’t know what’s changed since 2018.

 
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  1. Altai says:

    It will be interesting to find out what the curators are changing.

    I’d say it’s because it focuses on ancient migrations and not recent ones. The association of say, Europe or Briton with white people is problematic ‘where are you really from’ style for increasing numbers of people. It implies people ‘belong’ somewhere or have specific space and territory to call home.

    Even worse, it gives rise to fascination and even potentially ethnic self-consciousness to ethnic Britons and Europeans. Reminding ‘white Britons’ (What we used to just call ‘Britons’) about their deep ancestry is problematic. Maybe some Britons might begin to make comparisons between themselves and say red squirrels.

    Remember the fuss antifa made about research into the population genetics of Normandy?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/hunt-for-viking-dna-in-normandy-riles-antiracism-campaigners-who-fear-the-results-could-contribute-to-increasing-xenophobia-in-france-10327258.html

    Again they fear any kind of ethnic self-consciousness on the part of the natives while letting immigrant narcissism grow.

    It’s simple:
    Whites (In Europe one must specify whites of non-immigrant background) have no collective interests or pride only collective guilt and responsibilities.
    Non-whites (And in Europe whites of immigrant background) only have collective interests and pride and no collective guilt or responsibilities.

    Any deviation from this in the form of ethnic self-consciousness or legitimised or vocalised interests of whites is ‘racism’ now. Any.

    • Agree: NickG
    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
  2. AKAHorace says:

    Perhaps some tribes objected that Out-of-Africa undermines their claims to have always been there, or maybe South Asians and Chinese objected?

    I would guess that it is because the crossing the Bering Land bridge/Settlement of the Americas is now considered offensive.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  3. anon[356] • Disclaimer says:

    Is it the Out-of-Africa stuff? Whites tend to be enraptured by the Out of Africa theory saying they are descended from Africans, but lots of other people aren’t. Perhaps some tribes objected that Out-of-Africa undermines their claims to have always been there, or maybe South Asians and Chinese objected?

    Most of the contemporary supporters of multiregionalism or Out-of-Eurasia theories seem to be Chinese paleontologists, along with a small minority of Western scientists. There is a taboo against challenging Out-of-Africa in the West, and it seems to support a psychological need by some to identify with Africans, as well being a means to psychologically pressure others to identify with Africans.

  4. “Out of Africa” seems inclusive at first blush because it ties all humans to Africans. But the problem is that non-African humans undeniably underwent substantial natural selection/evolution after departing Africa.</b> Thus, it would be entirely accurate to state that Europeans and Asians evolved from Africans. Coincidentally, everything to do with modern civilization happened after the human race branched off from its African origins.

    Thus, the curators are no doubt struggling to figure out how this post-Africa evolution can be “inclusive” of the Africans who were were necessarily excluded from its genetic effects. Once they figure out how to square that particle circle, the boards can come down.

  5. “It is understood the display contained a hula girl figurine – an object that has recently been criticised for presenting a stereotypical view of Polynesian people – and genetic studies relating to the San people in South Africa, who in 2017 devised a code of ethics for scientists studying them.”

    It’s a little confusing, but I take it that this means that the display included information gleaned from studies on the San people, and that they have complained that this violates their code of ethics, or something. And a figurine of a ‘hula girl’.

    The Natural History Museum is far better anyway.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  6. It is next door to the Natural History Museum – where Chris Stringer, one of the first proponents of the Out of Africa theory, works.

    I am suprised the Science Museum even has an exhibit on the subject. It would seem to be encroaching on the NHM’s turf.

    Both museums used to be free (and maybe still are). I used to spend hours in the NHM, especially the insect collections. The public used to be able to open draws with rows of beatles and butterflies. The sheer variety is amazing to see.

    I think a lot of those rooms with specimen cabinets are out of bounds now (even in the ’80s I was usually the only one there).

    The public tend to be restricted to a curated walk with animatronic dinosaurs to entertain the kids and a gift shop and cafe.

    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
  7. @Hypnotoad666

    Even if you accept OoA, also…

    1. modern humans have appeared in Africa ca. 200,000 years ago. There was not “one modern human”, but diverse groups of modern humans.

    2. out of that diverse groups, some groups moved out & some stayed

    3. further, groups that moved out mixed with other early humanoids, and those who stayed mixed with other humanoids

    4. contemporary groups are the result of that mixing, combined with environment and culture, so contemporary Africans are perhaps even less “early modern human” than other groups

    Also, this theory is not universally accepted..

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/evolution-theory-out-of-africa-dali-skull-china-homo-erectus-sapiens-latest-a8064306.html

    Skull found in China could re-write ‘out of Africa’ theory of human evolution

    • Replies: @Muggles
  8. Also, some people might wonder why Africa has apparently held humans back.

    • LOL: Right_On
    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  9. Moses says:
    @Altai

    Au contraire mon ami.

    Fellow Whites are allowed to have ethnic consciousness and common interests.

    In fact we have our own expressly ethnic lobby to browbeat and harass our enemies. Ever hear of the ADL?

  10. Hodag says:

    The Out of Africa can theory is in the process of a major rework. Non-trivial parts of various humans come from Neanderthals and Denosivans which are deeply divergent from humans and they left Africa hundreds of thousands to millions of years ago. Yes, the Chinese are still holding out that the Chinese have been native to China since Homo Erectus but it seems less silly than a decade ago.

    In Africa there are very deep divergences between populations. The San/Bushmen and other southeast Hunter-gatherers are very, very different than the rest of mankind. Same with the poor Pygmies. There are at least one other “ghost” population with no fossils but show up in modern DNA.

    I have wondered for a long time how afro-centrists and anti-colonial types square the circle with the massive and genocidal Bantu Migration.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Pop Warner
  11. One thing you can bet they will never include is the 70,000-year separate evolution between Sub-Saharan Africans and Our Species.

  12. dearieme says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You may have put your finger on it. The objection may be to the implication that we are all brothers under the skin, except Africans who are cousins at best.

    But who knows? Is there any point trying to be rational about people who make a fetish of being irrational?

  13. Anon[215] • Disclaimer says:

    Out-of-Africa’s midlife crisis
    Razib Khan, Jul 7, 2021
    https://razib.substack.com/p/out-of-africas-midlife-crisis

    Is Out of Asia still possible in the development of sapiens?

    Possible? Yes, I think so. But it would be a complex scenario, and seems to be improbable, though the possibility is greater than we’d have thought twenty years ago when modern human origins were defined by an exceedingly simple model. The old Out of Africa model, where humans expanded less than 100,000 years ago from a small tribe in East Africa, populated all of Africa, and then exited the continent to settle the rest of the world, excluded this scenario in totality. The newer models may have more room for the possibility, remote as it is.

    Do we have adaptations from Neanderthals/Denisovans?

    Yes. Hair, skin, and immune systems all seem to have been shaped by admixture with these human groups. There may even be circadian rhythm adaptations from Neanderthals in modern humans. Finally, there is also an association between certain types of autism and Neanderthal and Denisovan genes.

    Should we give up on ‘We Are All African’?

    Replacement suggestion (and you can see why my t-shirt company went out of business): “We are all African and Neanderthal.”

    • Thanks: res, Right_On
  14. @jimmyriddle

    They are both still free. You also have the V and A nearby, which is also worth a visit. I found the Science Museum more gimmicky and dull, but then maybe that’s me, or maybe it’s that skulls, dodos and skeletons of giant sloths are just better to look at than ‘chemistry’.

    There is also a Mormon temple on the same Exhibition Road, which offers free Books of Mormon to anyone who wants to look round. I took them up on the offer and and found them to be polite and friendly, as you would expect. They said that the basketball court that they had in there is the oldest in London, which is far from being the most implausible thing they claim.

    I thought the Book of Mormon would be fun, but it’s just as unreadable as the Koran, albeit at least with a story.

  15. Rob says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Non-Africans indeed evolved from ancient Africans, but it is also true that modern Africans evolved from ancient Africans. What matters are the selection pressures and “clever” (or brute force) solutions to those pressures that evolution discovered.

    I have wondered about depigmentation. Now, evolution came up with it twice for farmers in higher latitudes, so maybe it was inevitable. The untanned/tanned Δ is much bigger for Europeans than Africans. Some Northern Euros have essentially no melanin in their skin when it is not sun-exposed, but tan fairly dark with lots of sun. Percentage-wise, that’s effectively infinite. In terms of absolute pigmentation, it’s a pretty big shift. Pretty sure it’s bigger than happens in African unexposed vs exposed skin. African Americans don’t count here. As much as we might like to think they are not, Africans are ~20% European by descent, so all the tanning they do in the summer could be from white alleles.

    [MORE]

    If we had not come up with modern tech and evolution ran another 50,000 years in Scandinavia, would they be as white as they are now in the winter and darken to African levels in the summer. UV intensity in the summer is probably about as high in Oslo as it is in Kenya. Astral Codex 10 had a graph in the seasonality of respiratory infections post. Including that Oslo gets like 18 hours of daylight max and Kenya probably gets like 15 or so probably puts Oslo at higher daily UV.

    As to civilization, science, and technology, when what whites have done is put on a display with what non-whites have done, I would hope non-whites are ashamed. Modernity has brought science and technology to Africa. They probably do less manufacturing today than they did in 1619, to pick a year that was in the news slightly before the Current Year. They have products of technology, but I would be surprised if there were even any blacksmiths left in Africa. When someone needs a new machete, they buy a Chinese one, not an African one. Remember in Hotel Rwanda, when the Hutu militias get big shipments of Chinese-made machetes? The world is globalized now, and Africans’ comparative advantage is in shoveling dirt.On the other hand, given the way things are going, we might be lucky to have a dirt-shoveling industry in thirty years.

  16. Out of Africa is a way for scientists to claim that the whole non African bulk of humanity evolved from Negroids, i think that can be discounted when you see that Black people can evolve out of Africa like the Andamanese or Tasmanians, infact it is claimed that those groups may have evolved out of a Caucasoid or Aboriginal like ancestor. Carleton Coon claimed that the east African Caucasoid Blacks may have actually had Mediterranean facial features from the time of their evolution, that the Negroid appearance was actually an adaption to the tropical conditions and that the original man of the savannahs and deserts was probably more similar to the Khoisan or even Caucasoids and Australoids.

  17. bomag says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Agree here.

    I suspect there was worry about the fraught message that things improve when you move away from Africans.

  18. @Rob

    Somewhere on the Internet I saw a video of two African women moving dirt. They actually used broad-bladed hoes to scoop the dirt back-handed, emptied it into a bucket, then carried the bucket on their head to the hole they were filling. It was comical; Africans don’t even have a comparative advantage in shoveling dirt.

    They do, however, have a 4.7 TFR. I think I’ve figured out the mechanism for the Great Filter.

    • Replies: @Anon
  19. LP5 says:

    Haplogroup to be added to Vax ID Card? Imagine the possibilities!

  20. There’s an anti-White agenda. And they will push it even if it means the destruction of the world.

    HBD types thought that a bunch of disloyal, high IQ people of different racial backgrounds would form a core that somehow kept everything running. So there was no need for White people to openly be on their own side. In fact, HBD’ers made it clear they couldn’t stand the “proles” and rather looked forward to them being destroyed.

    But, the self-congratulating Smart Set failed to realize that this would bring misery to them as well, not just the despised Bubba. Baby Boomers will hit the casket sooner than they needed to. Many of you will watch a child die from diseases we could have cured. The list goes on.

    Hope you enjoyed your gutless choice.

    • Agree: Lurker
  21. megabar says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    I agree that is a reasonable problem for a thinking person. But the usual way is simply to deny that any meaningful evolution took place in humans after modern man arose.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  22. mc23 says:
    @Altai

    You have to boil the frog slowly.

    Idiom- Boiling Frog

    A problematic situation that will gradually increase in severity such that the people involved or affected by it will not notice the danger until it is too late to act. It is a metaphor taken from an anecdotal parable about boiling a frog, in which a frog placed in boiling water will immediately try to save itself, but one placed in cool water that is gradually brought to a boil will not notice the heat until it is boiled to death.

    • Replies: @Rob
  23. @Hodag

    I think we can be fairly certain about Elon Musk being out of Africa. Everybody else, not so sure,

    • LOL: Old Brown Fool
  24. @Hypnotoad666

    It also is going to lead to a stronger search for the “ghost population” which contributed DNA to West Africans as much as Neanderthals and Denisovans did to Europeans and Asians, respectively.

    The results may not be agreeable.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  25. One thing that has always made me wonder is how did the bow and arrow migrate around the globe? Pick a place, pick a clime and the bow and arrow is present, Arctic circle eskimo to South Pacific islanders. Different shapes, lengths and materials, same principle.

    • Agree: Carol
  26. Out-of-Africa is a pretty solid theory, although Harvard’s David Reich said in 2018 that it appeared a little less solid than it had in 2008. I don’t know what’s changed since 2018.

    I dunno … maybe it was more discoveries like this …

    Do these 9.7 million-year-old teeth suggest EUROPE is the cradle of humanity
    – Controversial discovery could ‘rewrite the history of mankind’
    – Teeth closely resemble those belonging to two ancient human fossils in Africa
    – However, the German teeth are twice as old as both of the African skeletons
    – If the finding is confirmed, the teeth will be the oldest hominin fossils ever found
    – Could change our understanding of human evolution and ‘out of Africa’ theory
    – The teeth are currently being examined in detail by a team of scientists and the first paper to report on the finding will be published next week

    source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5000800/9-7m-year-old-teeth-suggest-EUROPE-cradle-humanity.html

    Out of Africa is a good-White fairy tale.

    • Thanks: Alden
  27. Canute says:

    There are several Videos by Anthropologist Robert Sepehr on his Atlantean Gardens Channel and several books that highlight the significant weaknesses in the Out-of-Africa theories. They appear to be merely another effort to invoke materialistic values onto a science discipline. It is this kind of layering of specious “theories” that then allows charlatans like Stephen J. Gould to make pronouncements that all race is merely a social construct. The Jews weave their lies in a long term tapestry that covers many avenues at one time.

    • Replies: @Alden
  28. @Hodag

    I have wondered for a long time how afro-centrists and anti-colonial types square the circle with the massive and genocidal Bantu Migration.

    They choose to remain ignorant of it, or they engage in whataboutism. Most of those anti-colonial types don’t even realize that there’s different kinds of Africans, assuming East Africans, West Africans, South[ern] Africans, and Khoisan are all the same people united against evil whitey.

  29. El Dato says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    The principle is pretty basic. It can be rediscovered at any time, in any place.

  30. Stealth says:
    @Rob

    UV intensity in the summer is probably about as high in Oslo as it is in Kenya.

    What is your source for that BS? July, 2021 UV indexes for Oslo were between 4 and 6.5. Tropical UV indexes on sunny days tend to run in the lower to mid teens.

    • Replies: @Rob
  31. dearieme says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Not in Australia, as far as I know.

  32. Anon[113] • Disclaimer says:

    From which apes did the small hats come from ?

  33. Anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    In India, circa 2008, I observed some hefty road grading for a Highway bridge being done by hundreds of Women using metal ‘pie plates’ that they carried on the heads. They threw the dirt into a dump truck and then walked back to the culvert and dig out another couple of handfuls by hand.

    I told my Indian business colleagues we could make a packet importing a container full of shovels from China. I also did business in China and could easily arrange for the shovels etc.

    “no” they immediately answered because a shovel costs X rupees and each women costs Y rupees each day. the women digging by hand were so cheap that it didn’t make sense to give them shovels.

  34. @Altai

    I’m too late to comment in the que here, but this not an attempt to hijack anything:

    “The association of say, Europe or Briton with white people is problematic ‘where are you really from’ style for increasing numbers of people. It implies people ‘belong’ somewhere or have specific space and territory to call home.”

    Interesting, especially when viewed comparatively alongside how the contemporary US and Western Euro mainstream news media handles matters of provenance in its “reporting” of current events. (Particularly/almost exclusively in its crime and “Can’t fix stupid” stories)

    It’s almost invariably “Atlanta men” (aged 23 to 40 who just rented their first apartment together after their arrival on the Wetback Express Bus from the Mexican border six months ago) who are busted for: fill in the blank with your preferred Mexican crime or low IQ “migrant” misadventure.

  35. Chester says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    It became a meme passed from tribe to tribe like a clever .jpg

  36. res says:

    Out-of-Africa is a pretty solid theory, although Harvard’s David Reich said in 2018 that it appeared a little less solid than it had in 2008. I don’t know what’s changed since 2018.

    It is important to be clear about what “Out-of-Africa” means. Currently the accepted meaning seems to be a single human migration out of Africa about 100,000 years ago which displaced all earlier archaic humans (A below). I don’t think there is any argument over the original source of humanity being Africa. The question is when and how many times did they leave.

    I think at this point “Out-of-Africa” (A) is considered not true (e.g. Neanderthal, Denisovan, etc. ancestry being measurable in current human genomes) and the argument is over the degree of influence of the different groups.

    Here is an old Nature paper which outlines four possibilities (I think B is closest to reality).
    https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/human-evolutionary-tree-417/

    Out-of-Africa versus the multiregional hypothesis
    Broadly speaking, there are two competing hypotheses on the origin of modern humans: the Out-of-Africa hypothesis and the multiregional hypothesis. Both agree that Homo erectus originated in Africa and expanded to Eurasia about one million years ago, but they differ in explaining the origin of modern humans (Homo sapiens sapiens). The first hypothesis proposes that a second migration out of Africa happened about 100,000 years ago, in which anatomically modern humans of African origin conquered the world by completely replacing archaic human populations (Homo sapiens; Model A). The multiregional hypothesis states that independent multiple origins (Model D) or shared multiregional evolution with continuous gene flow between continental populations (Model C) occurred in the million years since Homo erectus came out of Africa (the trellis theory). A compromised version of the Out-of-Africa hypothesis emphasizes the African origin of most human populations but allows for the possibility of minor local contributions (Model B).

    Note that there is a difference between gene flow existing between regions and that gene flow being sufficient to make major changes in the populations.

    Anyone have better references?

  37. SafeNow says:

    A few years ago, I read “Curating Revolution” by Yale’s Denise Ho. Mao recognized that many people, and especially children, have difficulty absorbing cultural concepts in the abstract, but can do so when tangible objects serve as the backdrop for reeducation. This idea has gained traction in America (statues, Chicago museum docent-replacement, Jan.6 guy wearing the horns, etc.).

    A worrying future prospect: In Mao’s China, the curating was not limited to actual museums. The cadres would come to your street, and set-up a table as an exhibit. In your house they find, and then display, an object that was deemed “proof of crime” or “ironclad evidence.” And off you go.

  38. Rich says:

    The “Out of Africa” theory is “solid” because if anyone goes against it, they’ll be out of a job. It’s a political theory. Polygenisis makes much more sense and its evidence, suppressed in most of the West, will become more acceptable once the Anglo-Jewish elite loses power in the near future. Look at America’s future, Asians will be the upper caste, Hispanics the plurality with a large number of Whites and the forgotten blacks. It’s coming.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  39. The display explaining mankind’s migration from Africa was earmarked for alteration in order to “update (the) non-inclusive narrative”, internal documents show, and the exhibit has been boarded up.

    Does no one see the obvious, efficient solution? Close down all the museums. Shut down the symphony and the opera too. Libraries? Ha. All we need is Twitter and Facebook.

  40. I accidentally learned that National Geographic’s former out of Africa superstar Spencer Wells has been cancelled for anti-zion indiscretion. July 2020 so I am only 18 months out of the loop!

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  41. Whatever it is, it isn’t what they say it is. It never is.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  42. Maybe the explanation you’re looking for is that there is no explanation, and by design. As elsewhere in wokery, understanding why something is offensive without being told quite why, is in itself an indicator of whether you’re a goodwhite person.

    • Agree: El Dato
  43. @Buffalo Joe

    You might be interested in this article about technological migration.

    https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/technological-revolution-0016271

    “The researcher published a map charting the spread of the bow and arrow beginning with the oldest arrows ever discovered in Africa, over 70,000 years old. Bows were adopted by modern humans in East Africa and South Asia 48,000 years ago, and in Europe 40,000 years ago. The professor shows how the bow and arrow finally reached Alaska and the Americas around 12,000 years ago. ”

  44. Science is now science-ish.

    Please tell us the still-sane actual scientists are building an ark–physical and digital–to preserve actual knowledge.

  45. J says:

    If natural evolution offends some people, as it does, Museums should show the Creationist alternative. Ah! already there is one in Petersburg, Kentucky. Genesis is more agreeable than Darwin. Politically correct, too.

  46. Jack D says:

    “Inclusive”, like “diverse”, doesn’t really mean what it seems to mean. So, a school that is 10% black is not “diverse” but a school that is 100% black IS diverse.

    In this context “non-inclusive” means that the narrative does not place the African experience front and center. For example, an inclusive explanation would highlight how Yakub the black scientist accidentally unleashed white people in a test tube accident the same way the Chinese released Covid.

    • Replies: @Moses
    , @Prester John
  47. @res

    Much better summary than I could have done. Thanks.

    I remember reading in the 1980s that the out-of-Africa theorists were accusing the multi regional theorists of racism, on the grounds that the Multis couldn’t accept being descended from Africans.

    My question was whether paths could travel two directions. True, most migrants would travel from more populated to less populated areas. But would anyone ever go the opposite direction, for purposes of trade or conquest or plunder?

    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
  48. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @al gore rhythms

    It is understood the display contained a hula girl figurine

    Now they are going after the hula girls! How can the Navy function without hula girls?

  49. An archaic human species was revealed to discovered last year in Manchuria–

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/dragon-man-fossil-skull-may-represent-new-human-species-in-china

    Homo longi is an extinct species of archaic human identified from a nearly complete skull, nicknamed ‘Dragon Man’, in Harbin on the Northeast China Plain, dating to at minimum 146,000 years ago during the Middle Pleistocene.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_longi

    This is the migration map of homo sapien y-haplogroup types–

    View post on imgur.com


    This is one that corresponds it to modern race categories–

    View post on imgur.com

  50. Hodag says:
    @res

    Razib Khan has been covering this in depth on his substack. I subscribe.

  51. Rob says:
    @Anon

    Example number gorillion that low wages inhibit accumulation of capital that either complements labor or substitutes for labor. Not to mention the very poor life conditions of women who dig by hand so cheaply shovels are not cost-effective.

    That cheap labor inhibits technological innovation should be obvious from comparing America and Japan.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
  52. Minoritarianism is hostile to any actually objective/scientific study of genetics, history, culture … anything.

    Minorities are oppressed and virtuous. White majorities are oppressive and evil.

    Don’t be trying to undermine that simple truth with your “knowledge”. Britain has always been black.

    • Agree: SafeNow
    • Replies: @Moses
  53. Rob says:
    @mc23

    I read that a scientist tested the idiom. He did not test the “put a frog in boiling water” part. He found that you cannot bring an unsuspecting frog to a slow boil. When the water gets too hot, he jumps out. I hope he was not planning to test the parable all the way to boiling.

    • Replies: @mc23
  54. Muggles says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The strongest argument for Out of Africa is that the oldest humanoid skulls/bones etc. which have been reliably dated are all in Africa.

    Most of these humanoid remains are not direct ancestors of modern humans but some non modern humanoids (other than Denosivans and Neanderthals) have had remains found in Asia and elsewhere, so it seems that Africa was the starting point.

    Of course new evidence can overturn current thinking.

    Chinese research should be viewed with skepticism since their political/racial biases are fairly evident.

    The story is as yet incomplete though Africa seems to be the Lifeboat Continent.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  55. @res

    I don’t think there is any argument over the original source of humanity being Africa.

    A key point of the discussion here is that challenges to the Out of Africa Theory have emerged just in the past 15 years. Serious ones, not Qanon noodling.

  56. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:

    The long and short of all of this:

    1) The fact that new discoveries in the field of genetics confirm things Leftists don’t like now means the science, not the ideology, is in error. We are literally witnessing the realization of Orwell’s 1984.

    2) “Western” science has been thoroughly co-opted by the religion of Left-wing fundamentalism, which has Anti-Racism(TM) as its key tenet. No deviation from this will be tolerated, therefore any new discovery regarding anything biological from a “Western” source is not necessarily wrong, but is necessarily suspect.

    3) At some point in the future a people not obsessed with negro worship (Chinese?) will fill the gaps in knowledge deliberately bypassed by “Western” (read: Baizuo) science.

    • Agree: bruce county
  57. @Buzz Mohawk

    I believe, Buzz, that the correct number is 200,000 years. We left Africa 70,000 years ago, but back then, we were people from north or north-east of the Sahara, people who had split from Sub-Saharans 200,000 years ago. And, as others have mentioned, since then both populations have interbred with vastly different ancient populations. So all we can reasonable say is that we Euros and Asians share a common ancestor with Sub-Saharan Africans who lived 200,000 years ago. Our last common ancestor with the “Ghost Species” whose trace is found in Sub-Saharan Africans today lived approx. 700,000 years ago.

    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
  58. AndrewR says:
    @Rob

    Kenya is equatorial so the days are close to 12 hours long all year round.

    And the sun is much stronger in Kenya even in July. The sun never gets very high in Oslo, and low sun angles means leas UV light.

  59. AndrewR says:
    @megabar

    Given all the differences in skin, hair, bones, and all sorts of medical related stuff between the races, no intelligent person could fail to assume a priori that the median Negro brain is very different from the median hhhhwhite brain

    • Replies: @Jack D
  60. AndrewR says:
    @indocon

    Reparations would have been legitimate to pay in 1960. But given all that blacks have been given and have destroyed since then, they owe us more than we ever owed them

  61. @Muggles

    Skulls & bones are not something one can rely on too much- and this has little to do with Chinese nationalism …

    https://www.natureasia.com/en/nmiddleeast/article/10.1038/nmiddleeast.2018.15

    Jaw bone discovery challenges out-of-Africa model

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/02/210210133410.htm

    On the origin of our species

    https://www.pnas.org/content/116/20/9820

    Archaic human remains from Hualongdong, China, and Middle Pleistocene human continuity and variation

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6715448/

    Rethinking the dispersal of Homo sapiens out of Africa

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-out-of-africa-theory-out/

    Is the Out of Africa Theory Out?

    https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2018/oldest-human-fossil-found-outside-africa-sheds-light-behavior-early-homo-sapiens/

    Oldest human fossil found outside of Africa throws popular theory into doubt (basically, the same as no. 1)
    ……………

    Although- I like OoA. Brights moved out, dumbos stayed …

  62. @Anon

    Right up there with teams of Indians cutting the lawn with scissors.

    I always think of these sorts of valuation of Indian Human Capital whenever some young, freshly-minted MBA wanker suggests we can save money outsourcing some “non-core” function to India.

  63. Art Deco says:

    Whites tend to be enraptured by the Out of Africa theory saying they are descended from Africans,

    When you find yourself making utterances like this, try inserting the name of a real person and see if it makes sense. As in ‘My cousin Bo is enraptured by the Out-of-Africa theory…’

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  64. JMcG says:
    @Reactive Reaction

    10.00 says it’s homo erectus.

  65. Mike Tre says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    So did variations of buildings, and probably other primitive methods of survival.

  66. Mike Tre says:

    The problem with the OoA theory is it’s just played as trump card when weighing the progressions of populations/cultures/civilizations against each other. As if the starting point for humanity somehow suggests African negroes had something affirmative to do with it (thus proving their overwhelming contributions) rather than it just being as random a natural event as any other.

  67. @obwandiyag

    Well, there could be something in it …

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/02/210210133410.htm
    ……………………………
    The scientists argue that no specific point in time can currently be identified when modern human ancestry was confined to a limited birthplace, and that the known patterns of the first appearance of anatomical or behavioural traits that are often used to define Homo sapiens fit a range of evolutionary histories.

    Co-author Pontus Skoglund from The Francis Crick Institute said: “Contrary to what many believe, neither the genetic or fossil record have so far revealed a defined time and place for the origin of our species. Such a point in time, when the majority of our ancestry was found in a small geographic region and the traits we associate with our species appeared, may not have existed. For now, it would be useful to move away from the idea of a single time and place of origin.”

  68. @Anon

    Milton Friedman saw men digging a road with shovels somewhere in the Chinese diaspora in the early tiger days. He asked his host why they didn’t use steamshovels. The man said it was a jobs program.

    Friedman replied that if jobs were the goal, the men should have been issued spoons.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  69. @Art Deco

    That’s like asking him to insert the name of a real person asked about the general and special theories versus quantum mechanics: “My cousin Bo says God does not play dice with the universe.” Among the people thinking about human evolution and descent, the notion of some genetic tie to Africa and Africans is compelling for woke reasons.

    By the way, what part of the country are you from where you just toss out “Bo” as an example of a regular-guy name rather than, say, Keith, Scott, John, Pete, etc.?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  70. @Reg Cæsar

    Robert Solow won an Econ Nobel for showing, essentially, that it’s better for societal wealth to have one high school grad operating a front-end loader versus a dozen coolies with shovels. He’s still alive at age 97, by the way. But you don’t hear much about the Solow growth model these days.

  71. @ThreeCranes

    There were three waves of migration out of North East Africa.

    The first one was via the Levant, Iraq, Iran, Today’s Pakistan, India and from there to the South East Asia, all the way up to Papua and the Philippines, and finally to Australia. These people were black skinned. And from Iran onwards, they were hugging the coast; since most of this coast is now under water after the last Ice Age, a lot of remains are lost. Then they were wiped out without a trace in the Levant, Iraq and Iran. They formed a huge population in India, so huge that it still remains the base of Indian population – about 60% of Indian population still has black / blackish skin (though Indians are probably the most mixed lot in the world), and the colour darkens from north to south. This population once poured into South China too, but were eliminated later. They were subsumed into the population of S E Asia, where the nose still prominently shows the ancestry.

    The second one was via the Levant, Turkey and into Europe; there this wave interbred with the Neanderthals, and resulted in a much fair skinned people (the implication being that Neanderthals had a white skin); these people migrated to the Ukraine and eastwards during the last Ice Age; they once again fanned out back into Europe and also towards East – South East into Iran and India. In this back migration they absorbed the remnants who did not migrate east during the Ice Age.

    The third one was via Levant, Armenia – Azar bridge into the Steppe, from there north-east into Kazakhstan and onwards to China, ultimately to the Americas via the frozen Bering. This one interbred and subsumed Denisovans (who probably gave them their eyes and high cheekbones).

    The differences still show.

  72. @Anon

    So why, as a homeowner, do I dig a ditch on my property rather than hire someone with a backhoe?

    There are property owners who do such a thing, especially if they know a friend or a neighbor whom they trust to do an honest day’s work for a day’s wage.

    As to a suburban homeowner hiring a landscaping service, my wealthier neighbors do as much.

    But there is a large “bid/ask” price spread. If I hire someone, there is an enormous amount of overhead in terms of insurance, workman’s comp, health care along with the plethora of business taxes. If I dig the ditch, the value I create doesn’t even come to the attention of the IRS as a taxable income transaction.

  73. mc23 says:
    @Rob

    It’s a very popular metaphor. I am curious where it came from.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  74. Rob says:
    @Stealth

    Diseasonality

    The first figure labeled “figure 2”. Right after the sentence “ That is, does Florida in winter get more ultraviolet light than Alaska in summer?” I was wrong. 60° North does not get the same UV in summer as 0°N. But the change in UV dose and intensity between summer and winter at 60° is huge, much larger than the change in a Swede’s pigment level. Though Scandies do tan beautifully. Not like True Scotsmen or the filthy Irish who catch fire the day after the spring solstice if they live in Florida.

    I wonder as well about the differences in depigmentation between Europeans and Orientals. If you look for the alleles that make whites white in East Asians, you would think they were black as pitch. Ditto Orientals’ lightening alleles in whites. They are mostly not even different alleles of the same genes. For one thing, it means depigmentation happened after the two populations diverged. It is an interesting example of racial similarity being skin deep. Similar phenotypes, different genetic architecture.

    If a kid’s mom and dad are both halfsies white and oriental, children can end up very dark. Sometimes this can go badly for the mother, because “mama’s baby. Papa’s maybe” and the dad just can’t believe that the kid is his. Here is a Reddit post on the subject. I am not sure what “indigenous Asian” means, exactly. Are all the failed races now considered “indigenous” and whites and Asians owe them rent? Anyway, I could find almost nothing doing Google searches. I’m too lazy to try another engine.

    If one takes some concepts of when two populations are separate species, some require that the offspring of both sexes from all parental combinations have the same fitness as offspring from unmixed pairings. Selection made Euros and Orientals light, so some mix-mix offspring would have had lower fitness than fully Euro or fully Asian children, making the two populations separate species. On the other hand, if the ozone layer goes away or nuclear winter forces first world populations south, Asian-white/Asian white couples will have some kids with higher fitness.

    Anyway, it’s always interesting when parental variation is neither additive nor dominant/recessive.

    I kinda wonder about what combo of genes Eurasians/central Asians have. Do they just have a wide range of skin colors?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  75. anon[172] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    HAW! HAW! What a bunch of morons! There’s NO SUCH THING AS EVOLUTION STUPID! You must have a college education. Only college educated idiots believe in the LIE of rocks producing human beings. You say but it takes BILLIONS OF YEARS TO….HAW! HAW! Look around you STUPID! As time passes EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING decays, DIES, ROTS, fragments and DETERIERATES STUPID! 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. HAW! HAW! No wonder you can’t stop the tsunami of your soon ENSLAVEMENT. You’re not MAN ENOUGH to take the TRUTH. Now if you had believed the truth of the KING JAMES BIBLE, as I do and our founding fathers did these nickers wouldn’t give you a day of trouble. Why, you ask? Because they would be shackled up and sold as property. The only thing that you would hear out of their mouth would be YASSA BOSS! Black people (Africans, Hamites) are CURSED according to the scripture. White people (Japeth) are NOT and Asian people (Shem) are NOT. Whites and Asians are blessed by God. Jews are chosen by God from Shem. Egyptians are chosen by Satan from Africans. There’s a FACE OFF between God and God’s people (Jews) and Satan and Satan’s people (Egyptians) in the book of Exodus. Read it! It takes about an hour to read chapters 1-15. God SLAUGHTERS them Africans. Shows them NO MERCY! You paying attention? God BURNS them, MAKES them drink blood, gives them blains and boils so as to block their windpipe so they can’t breathe as if they were being choked to death. Fierce, horrible plagues and judgments against them. But that’s not the worst part. The worst part is that GOD SEGREGATED them from his people. HEAR AND UNDERSTAND! If you white people decide to Exit (hence, the book of Exodus-Exit US) this commie country and start Greater Western Idaho (or whatever), DO NOT take ANY black people with you. And if they try to follow you into the wilderness, remember what happened at the Red Sea.

  76. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    What’s changed is they are finding more and more evidence of interbreeding with Erectus (and Neanderthal), thus showing there was not a single migration of Cro Magnons, but more a general evolution, perhaps with some big strain of recent out of Africans outcompeting the homos that were in Europe and Asia originally (thus the large amount of DNA from that source, late). But the continents were not empty of hominids. And the hominids could interbreed.

  77. @Paleo Liberal

    Yes, people do travel from less populated to more populated areas, searching for a livelihood.

  78. Moses says:
    @Jack D

    “Inclusive”, like “diverse”, doesn’t really mean what it seems to mean. So, a school that is 10% black is not “diverse” but a school that is 100% black IS diverse.

    Yes Jack.

    Pull that loose thread a bit further and you get to the true meaning “Inclusive” and “Diverse”, namely “Fewer White people, preferably none.”

  79. Moses says:
    @AnotherDad

    White majorities are oppressive and evil.

    Well yeah Dad, except it’s not 1985 anymore. White “majority” crumbling fast.

    Whites <10% of world population, <70% of USA population. Whites the minority already in most large American cities. NYC is less than 43% White for example.

    Are you still gonna call it "minoritarianism" when Whites fall under 50% of USA pop in 15-20 years?

  80. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    That reminds me of the controversies over Kennewick man.

  81. @Jack D

    I have no idea what “diverse” and “inclusive” means, though at first blush they appear contradictory (which only makes sense, considering the intellectual candle power of the crowd that came up with this dreck in the first place). In the end it seems to be just another way of saying ” now we be’s on de top rung and y’all be’s on de boddum,” What horse dung!

  82. Jack D says:
    @AndrewR

    It’s not the physical differences, it’s the persistent differences in outcome that make it so obvious. Just because two races are physically different doesn’t necessarily mean that there is an intelligence difference or in which direction the intelligence difference will lie. Asians are also racially different from whites but there is not a large gap in intelligence (and what gap exists favors the Asians). So from the physical differences by themselves (other than perhaps brain size) you can conclude nothing.

  83. @Inquiring Mind

    You dig the ditch yourself because you value the money you’d spend on the contractor more than your leisure time on the weekend. There are infinite other factors of course: you’re averse to the risk of the contractor screwing it up, you like digging ditches, you don’t want anybody to see the meth lab in your tool shed, whatever.

    The contractor has an economy of scale that you don’t: lots of ditch-digging projects to spread his unit costs. And if a dozen Guatemalans with shovels is cheaper than one American with a high school diploma operating a backhoe, then that’s what he’ll use. The costs associated with the Guatemalans are thrown off on the taxpayers, and the profit is privatized to the contractor. That’s why economists are paid to promote immigration even though they have to flat lie about it. Or they break their brains and just hit pure cognitive disconnect.

  84. Jack D says:
    @Rob

    The Reddit post is stupid – like some weak premise for a movie plot or a soap opera. Just spend \$100 on a DNA test and be done with it (but then you won’t have a movie).

    The woman is a little vague about her background but mentions Papua. But I get the feeling that by Asian she means Indian, not the American meaning of Asian (E. Asian). Of course S. Asians and Papuans can be quite dark.

    The fact that her husband is Middle Eastern (again vague) doesn’t help either – there are a lot of African genes in the S. Arab population. They would breed with their slave women and treat the children as their sons. This was very egalitarian but it stupidified their gene pool for all eternity and led to the eclipse of their civilization (like what we are doing right now).

    In any case, this has zero to do with the skin color of hapas. I have known many hapas and their skin tone is either similar to that of one of their parents (usually the Asian one) or halfway in between the two. I’ve never met a E. Asian hapa who was darker than his parents unless maybe he had a suntan.

    Chinese themselves have a great range of skin tones – those from the south can be quite brownish while those from the north can be as pale as white people (but the hair color never lightens unless it’s from a bleach bottle).

  85. @Jack D

    I know someone who is half Japanese, half Scottish and he could pass for a Latino, now some Japanese can have more SE Asian influenced phenotypes compared to say Koreans but he is still darker than pretty much every Japanese person i have seen, east Asians i think can carry quite dark skin colour genes except for perhaps people from central and northern Siberia who are generally much paler than orientals from the populated regions.

  86. @Emil Nikola Richard

    ‘I accidentally learned that National Geographic’s former out of Africa superstar Spencer Wells has been cancelled for anti-zion indiscretion. July 2020 so I am only 18 months out of the loop!’

    The rule’s pretty simple. Progressive except for Palestine.

    Violate at your own risk.

  87. Alden says:
    @Canute

    Out of Africa was created right after the African Eve theory. Maybe at the same time. African Eve was created at UC Berkeley. Home of communism anti White racism and liberal lies about everything possible. Creator was some young feminazi professor of nonsense studies. Her science was thoroughly refuted some time later. I can’t remember it.

    Then there’s the all ancient Egyptians were really sub Saharan black Africans

    I never believed Out of Africa. Java man a fully modern human is 700,000 years old. Hundreds of thousands of years older than bits of bone the satanic liberals claim is African. The famous Lucy bones found in Kenya was some kind of raccoon badger critter. Not human at all.

    It’s all so tiresome. If you want to find the truth about anything; just check the New York Times, Atlantic and other quality publications. Whatever they claim, the opposite is true.

  88. Art Deco says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    That’s like asking him to insert the name of a real person asked about the general and special theories versus quantum mechanics

    No it isn’t. His observation, if that’s what it was, was not limited either to a professional guild or to the audience for magazines like Natural History.

    By the way, what part of the country are you from where you just toss out “Bo” as an example of a regular-guy name rather than, say, Keith, Scott, John, Pete, etc.?

    I’m Rustbelt born and bred. Only other place I’ve lived is the New York – Washington corridor. I have cousins, among them, Bo. He, his father, and his son all have the same Christian name, so they have different familiars. He’s always been Bo; never called anything else. As far as I know, anthropology is not a side interest of his.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  89. Rob says:
    @Jack D

    Oh, missed the Papuan thing. Also did not think Asian might mean Indian. However, i did meet a guy whose parents were both NE Asian hapas who was really dark. It definitely can happen.

  90. @Jack D

    The Reddit post is stupid – like some weak premise for a movie plot or a soap opera.

    The Reddit post maybe be stupid and yeah “DNA test”.

    But the hapa-on-hapa skin tone issue is definitely there. The white skin lighten package is a handful of genes of pretty large effect on a few different chromosomes. The East Asian skin lightening package i’m not particularly familiar with but conceivably could be similar–a handful of genes. But the point is the two packages are completely different. (I.e. where i have the derived white SLC24A5 some Asian gal i might consider banging has the ancestral allele. Likewise i have the ancestral versions of her skin lightening alleles.)

    So while white/east-asian hapas are guaranteed to have skin lightening genes from both packages, the children of hapa-on-hapa matings are not. These could–and will–include some people who get a “miss” from both parents on all (or most) of the white lightening genes (i.e. get the gene from their Asian grandparents) and also get a “miss” from both parents on all (or most) of the Asian lightening genes (get the genes from their white grandparents).

    The only real question i have is whether the Asian package really is just a few genes of large effect like the white package. If Asian skin lightening is actually the product of 20 or 30 genes then hapa-on-hapa matinges that produce kids with really dark skin tones will be quite rare.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Anonymous
  91. @Buzz Mohawk

    One thing you can bet they will never include is the 70,000-year separate evolution between Sub-Saharan Africans and Our Species.

    Agreed.

    Though, my guess is the really interesting stuff that determines most of the differences that account for widely different civilizational outcomes is mostly gene-culture co-evolution since settlement and the neolithic revolution. Really a “10,000 Year Explosion”.

    But yeah, the official narrative: human evolution magically ceased 70,000 years ago … right when the environment started changed rapidly. Go figure?

  92. @Art Deco

    I’m Rustbelt born and bred. Only other place I’ve lived is the New York – Washington corridor. I have cousins, among them, Bo. He, his father, and his son all have the same Christian name, so they have different familiars. He’s always been Bo; never called anything else. As far as I know, anthropology is not a side interest of his.

    I immediately thought of Bo Svenson. Turns out he was born in Sweden. (And, unlike Abe Vigoda, Svenson is alive, if Wikipedia is up-to-date).

  93. Philip Neal says: • Website

    A related piece of news. George Osborne has tweeted “Would have been stupid to convict those who pulled down Colston statue. Thomas and Oliver Cromwell pulled down many many more statues.”

    Breitbart has the background, but let’s spell it out.

    Edward Colston, a Bristol slave trader and munificent philanthropist could with fairness be called morally ambiguous and his statue controversial. In 2019 a proposal to keep the statue but strengthen the wording of the signage passed in the city council but was vetoed by the half-white, half-Jamaican mayor. In 2020 (during a Covid ban on public gatherings while police watched and did nothing) a BLM-inspired crowd dragged it into the harbour. Last week a court cleared four of the protesters of charges of criminal damage. The defence urged the jurors, who split 11-1, to “be on the right side of history”, though the facts and the law were not in dispute. All four look white, and if you are British their names tell their own story – Jake Skuse, Rhian Graham, Milo Ponsford and Sage Willoughby.

    Thomas Cromwell (essentially king Henry VIII’s prime minister) and Oliver Cromwell (it’s complicated – Oliver was descended from Thomas’s mother), whatever their motives, were cultural vandals who deprived posterity of countless pre-Reformation cultural treasures.

    And George Osborne? Some iSteve readers may not have heard of him. From 2010 to 2016, under David Cameron, he was the second most important politician in Britain and Cameron’s heir apparent as prime minister. Cheated of his destiny by Brexit, he has had to make ends meet as a newspaper editor, think tank fellow, investment fund adviser…

    and chairman of the Trustees of the British Museum. I hope all those statues of slaveholders are safe.

    It is not new that Osborne is the heir to an Irish baronetcy (no great shakes, the title does not raise you to the nobility and was openly bought and paid for). But refreshing my memory of the facts, on Wikipedia and elsewhere, I was surprised to read that Osborne is Jewish in the female line. He and his siblings discovered this fact in 2018. Changing my mind when the facts change, I was rather less surprised to read that they discovered it “with delight”. Somebody tell Andrew Joyce.

  94. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    All I can tell you is that I haven’t seen a lot of Papuan looking Hapas.

    At this point I really don’t care about skin tone. Brains are a lot more important than skin tone. If you can be a coconut in America 2.0 you can go pretty far. At this point if I had Hapa grandkids and they came out really brown looking I’d be glad. No one would doubt their POC credentials.

    Hapas (of all shades) seem to be pretty smart. Mischlings seems to be pretty smart. Mulattoes – not so much.

  95. Jiminy says:

    It’s funny because here in Australia, almost every night we’re shown the tv ads that brainwash us into thinking how the abos have been around since time immemorial. The time frame has now risen to over 60 000 years old. That long and nothing to show for it. Sad. But I was certain that I read somewhere the African bushmen tribe was the oldest known on the planet. I think that’s why the abos have to up the ante again.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  96. @Inquiring Mind

    “If I dig the ditch, the value I create doesn’t even come to the attention of the IRS as a taxable income transaction.”

    We should all create value without creating a taxable transaction whenever possible.
    Thank you.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  97. Jack D says:
    @Jiminy

    It doesn’t really make a difference. In NZ, the Maori didn’t get there until until the 14th century (only a few centuries before the Europeans), but they still count as the “true” owners of the country. In Taiwan the Chinese arrived AFTER the Dutch (as did most of the Zulus in S. Africa) but that doesn’t count either.

    The Abos were really among the most wretched of native people – as you say 60,000 years and nothing to show for it. They mostly walked about buck naked like other animals. Their shelters were one step above Chimpanzee nests.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  98. @Adam Smith

    We should all create value without creating a taxable transaction whenever possible.
    Thank you.

    Have ditch-diggers and gardeners started taking Bitcoin yet?

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
  99. @mc23

    “You can boil all of the frogs slowly some of the time, and you can boil some of the frogs slowly all of the time, but you can’t boil all of the frogs slowly all of the time.” — Kermit Lincoln

  100. @Redneck farmer

    African dirt lacks sufficient magic. I blame Merlin.

  101. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    (as did most of the Zulus in S. Africa)

    You can divide contemporary South Africa down the middle. The Bantu had arrived in the eastern half prior to 1652. The western half was populated by Khoi-san people whose descendants are South Africa’s Coloured population.

  102. Anonymous[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    So while white/east-asian hapas are guaranteed to have skin lightening genes from both packages, the children of hapa-on-hapa matings are not. These could–and will–include some people who get a “miss” from both parents…

    In dog breeding terminology, whites and Asians “breed true”, and hapas don’t.

  103. Anon7 says:

    Do women, fifty percent of voters, really want to close the border?

    “Girls and women also enjoy an advantage in learning second languages. This is probably because, in early humans as among the great apes, females were exogamous: They moved to join the group to which their mates belonged, while males stayed put. In cases of conquest as well, females became the prey of the victors, and their chances of survival and successful motherhood were better if they were good at picking up foreign speech.”

    https://www.unz.com/article/how-and-why-men-and-women-differ-in-intelligence/

  104. @Hypnotoad666

    Greetings Mr. Toad,

    Probably? But that’s not what I meant…

    For example, let’s say I have to fix an alternator on my car today. I could take it to a shop, who pays business taxes, commercial property taxes and licensing fees and who employees a mechanic who will likely report to the IRS at the end of the year. By fixing it myself, I pay less because I am not paying my small portion of the business’s taxes, licensing fees and overhead, and the IRS will be deprived of some tiny stream of revenue that would likely have come from the mechanic who fixed my alternator. Also, by fixing it myself I am doing tax free work, so I deprive the IRS of a second tiny stream of revenue.

    I know it’s not much, but if more people structured their transactions in such ways we could deprive the bureaucrats of revenue, perhaps meaningfully so. It’s a boycott of sorts. I don’t want to feed the useless taxeaters.

    Let those bureaucrats go find some productive work for a change.

  105. @Moses

    AD’s basic premise is not about mathematics, it is about gestalt.

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