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Way back in 1997, I invented citing Olympic stats to debunk the then conventional wisdom that women would catch up to men in noncontact sports like running real soon now, so I’m very interested in this case study of extraordinary popular delusions and the madness of elites.

That women athletes were about to catch up with men was a widespread belief among academics and the public a quarter of a century ago, although that has been memory-holed. A 1996 poll found that 66% of Americans believed top women athletes would catch up to top men in the not too distant future. Various scientific journals published charts showing that women had consistently narrowed the gap in running times, at least up through the 1988 Olympics, so if the trends continued, they’d disappear by the early 21st Century.

Common Feminist Fallacies of the Past like this get rapidly forgotten because they don’t fit into the overarching narrative that society was incredibly racist and sexist until, roughly, last week.

Well, that didn’t happen, in sizable part because East German women’s Olympic team doping-industrial complex collapsed in 1989, at the same time, steroid testing was toughened after the spectacular Ben “Benoid” Johnson doping scandal in the 1988 Olympics’ 100m dash final.

Women tend to get more bang for their buck from a given dose of artificial male hormones (having 90% less real male hormones to start with), so women runners, such as 1988 superstar Flo-Jo, could set records and stay under the old limits while her mentor Benoid had to take so much to set new records that his eyeballs turned yellow and he got caught.

Also, from 1997 onward, I set about monomaniacally debunking this popular idea in every forum available. For example, here’s my review of the 2000 book The Frailty Myth: Women Approaching Physical Equality by one-time bestselling feminist author Colette Dowling, whose publisher’s blurb reads:

Can women be equal to men as long as men are physically stronger? And are men, in fact, stronger? … It is Dowling’s controversial thesis that women succumb to societal pressures to appear weak in order to seem more “feminine.” …

Yet as breakthroughs among elite women athletes grow more and more astounding, it begins to appear that strength and physical skill–for all women–is only a matter of learning and training.

That’s phrased in such a way to suggest that the author is daring, but everybody will be agreeing real soon now.

I so assiduously pointed out the alternative doping theory that eventually writers planning a piece on how women athletes would be equaling men real soon now were dissuaded after they did a little Googling and discovered that this Sailer guy would eat their lunch. So elites somewhat quieted down on this longtime feminist talking point.

For example, the gender gap narrowed suspiciously in running at the 2021 Olympics. It’s almost as if the suspension of drug testing during the pandemic allowed performance-enhancing drug users to performance-enhance like crazy. As iSteve commenter prime noticer noticed:

The magic yam harvest was especially good this year in Jamaica, causing the women to turn in the least plausible results of all time. Old women and literal mothers in their 30s getting faster (and getting braces [a tell-tale sign of Human Growth Hormone use changing the shape of their skulls in the style of Barry Bonds), sweeping the medals, running 10.7 with ease into a negative wind, even 10.6 (who was the last woman to run this fast…oh right [Flo-Jo]). and most preposterous – the third Jamaican came in 0.15 seconds ahead of the fourth place runner. What? In an Olympic final?

But this wasn’t as much celebrated as a triumph of women as it would have been in the 1980s.

One reason is because the Olympics have faded in popularity since the end of the Cold War. NBC does a great job broadcasting them, but they’re not exactly The Miracle on Ice anymore.

Another is because American women haven’t been all that great since 2000 Olympic heroine Marion Jones got sent to prison in 2005 for lying about steroid use, after which Jamaica (which would not imprison a national hero or heroine) surged to number one in sprinting. America doesn’t see Jamaica as a rival and Americans find Jamaicans likable, so Jamaicans beating Americans in a sport Americans don’t care much about anymore is okay.

And, experts know that sprint success is largely about race and doping, neither of which anybody wants to hear about, so don’t push theories that anti-Wokes in the comments will crush with stats dredged up by Steve Sailer.

On the other hand, ignorant children come along all the time who believe their lectures on how totally sexist everybody was until last Monday, so the Woke masses logically assume that the only possible explanation for why men are better athletes than women is because of Social Construction. After all, what other reason is possible?

Add to these venerable feminist talking points the now all-conquering trans dogmas, and of course today’s youth automatically believe in the dumb ideas of the Anita Hill Era. As I wrote in 2000:

Some scholars worry that if we deny the existence of fundamental biological advantages for male athletes, then we have no logical long-term justification for the sexually segregated sports that are such a boon to modern female athletes. They fear that if the Olympics were to replace women-only events with gender-neutral competitions restricted merely to smaller entrants from either sex, then women athletes would simply disappear from the world stage. Stephen Seiler (no relation to this reporter), an assistant professor of sports physiology at Norway’s Agder U., says, “Mixed gender competitions would just not be fair.”

But worrying about fairness to women is so 21-years-ago. Today, we care about ex-men most of all. To point out that women can’t fairly compete men is to be transphobic in an era when the highest possible cultural priority is to indulge ex-men in whatever the hell they feel like doing. For example, from the Daily Penn college newspaper:

Transgender swimmer Lia Thomas breaks records

Thomas swam the fastest women’s time in the nation for the 200m free this weekend

By Brandon Pride 12/07/21 8:46pm

Penn women’s swimmer Lia Thomas is breaking records for the Quakers.

The Austin, Texas native is a senior freestyler and has been blowing her competition — and Penn’s record books — out of the water. Continuing an already dominant season, Thomas competed at the Zippy Invitational in Akron, Ohio this weekend and won the 200-yard freestyle with a time of 1:41.93, a time that was good enough to set school, pool, and program records and marked the fastest in the nation this season.

This result came a day after winning the 500-yard freestyle preliminaries by a whopping 14.39 seconds. …

For Thomas’ first two seasons at Penn, she competed on the men’s team, most recently in November 2019, where she also achieved great success. She qualified for the Ivy League Championships in the 500 free, 1000 free, and 1650 free in her 2018 and 2019 seasons, finishing second overall in each event in 2019.

But being the Ivy League silver medalist just wasn’t good enough:

After sitting out for a year due to the NCAA-mandated one year of testosterone suppression treatment that is required for trans athletes, Thomas now competes on the women’s team. For Thomas, that one year of suppression treatment coincided with the pandemic, during which the Ivy League canceled athletic competition, meaning she did not miss out on any races. …

Editor’s Note: The headline and the text of this story have been updated to increase sensitivity.

If Russia or, perhaps, China were to crush America in the Olympics by employing ex-men, it might draw adverse comment in the American press. But both great power rivals are increasingly shying away from American gender insanity as the most obvious way to appeal to normal sane human beings, so it’s unlikely they’d stoop that low.

On the other hand, Iran has a long history of pushing male homosexuals to undergo sexual reassignment mutilation, so it’s possible that at some point the mullahs will push ex-men to Olympic gold.

But southwest Asians don’t have a strong record in the Olympics, so that remains speculative at present.

The future remains unwritten.

 
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  1. I feel like to the extent this kind of denialism is going on, it’s confined to arenas where the people involved don’t actually engage in the type of human activity that demonstrates the clear differences between men and women. My gym has a lot of progs who like to advertise it with their social media posts or attire, but I have yet to encounter a person who thinks that having different standards for weights or calories rowed for men and women in workouts is anything other than a recognition that it’s totally unrealistic to expect the same performance out of the two sexes.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Arclight

    People are conservative about that which they know best.

    The girls in the classroom who are saying this are not athletes. Most of the girls in the class probably know its not true, but they are part of a purity spiral. Person A is an evil white dude who points out in class that there are physical differences in size and strength between men and women. The females in the class don't like Person A - he is some kind of MAGA guy and they disagree with him about everything, so they are not about to admit that he is right about anything. Person B - let's say that's the professor - an older woman, reasonably replies that differences in athletic performance are partly genetic and partly due to differences in training and societal expectations for men and for women. Person C is a SJW and she declaims, NO, it's all environmental. The rest of the females in the class are going to take Person C's side in order to signal that she is the most Good Person and white dude is the most Bad Person. It has nothing to do with the facts. If you are a Yankees fan, whether the Red Sox are an objectively better team or not is not going to get you to switch your allegience.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Reg Cæsar

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Arclight

    Steve is wrong. Women are way stronger now. I see it all the time. On TV a 110 lb. girl will jump up in air and kick a 250 lb. man across the room. It's just a matter of timing and technique to suspend the normal bigoted rule that F= MA.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Bill Jones

  2. “That women athletes were about to catch up with men was a widespread belief among academics and the public a quarter of a century ago, although that has been memory-holed.”

    To an extent. In 2019 I believe the sports media were gushing over how some negro girl was the first female to be recruited by a D1 program or something along those lines. There was also a commercial being played by MLB featuring a female negro pitching in the big game that aired 2-3 years ago. We still hear stories about the occasional female wrestler in the 105 weight class who defeats some boy in a HS freshman wrestling match.

    As I have mentioned before – at my HS in 1991 I had a female teammate on the wrestling team. A senior named Amy Cook was crowned homecoming queen and kicked a PAT in the same football game that same year. 1991!

    “Benoid had to take so much to set new records that his eyeballs turned yellow and he got caught.”

    Is this a symptom of steroid use? Or amphetamine use? I don’t remember Ronnie Coleman’s eyes being yellow and I bet he took a lot more steroids than Benoid.

    An underlying theme here is that we are meant to believe that men and women really are the same. Is that what either wants? Why do women want to be the same as men? Doesn’t that eliminate their uniqueness as female? I dunno. We move closer towards our sterile, androgynous world.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    @Mike Tre

    Mike, regarding the questions posed in your final paragraph: Houellebecq offers some provocative, but plausible, answers in his novel “The Elementary Particles” (also known as “Atomized). Like others among his books, the passages that border on pornography can be off-putting to the civilized reader. But he portrays a real world, and two real generations (the “68ers” and their damaged offspring). Without giving too much away, the final chapter ties the novel’s themes together in an ingenious and utterly unexpected way, while speaking directly to the concerns you (and all of us here) raise.

    , @Adept
    @Mike Tre

    Is this a symptom of steroid use? Or amphetamine use? I don’t remember Ronnie Coleman’s eyes being yellow and I bet he took a lot more steroids than Benoid.


    Oral steroids, like winstrol and halotestin, can cause cholestatic jaundice if used in extreme quantities. Benoid was famously fond of winstrol. Of course, some people are more genetically susceptible to steroid-induced liver damage than others!

    Two things:

    1) Cholestasis can be treated with certain bile acids, most frequently ursodeoxycholic acid.

    2) Injectable steroids like testosterone, deca, equipoise, and others, won't cause cholestatic jaundice at any dose.

    Ronnie Coleman was on huge doses of injectables (I've heard rumors that he was on more than 6000mg/week in total) but probably took it pretty easy on the orals, and almost certainly knew enough to supplement those orals with ursodeoxycholic acid.

    , @res
    @Mike Tre


    “Benoid had to take so much to set new records that his eyeballs turned yellow and he got caught.”

    Is this a symptom of steroid use?
     
    It's caused by jaundice.
    https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/steroids-other-appearance-performance-enhancing-drugs-apeds/what-are-side-effects-anabolic-steroid-misuse

    Anabolic steroids can also produce jaundice, or yellowing of the skin or eyes, as a result of damage to the liver.74,75
     
    References at the link.

    Replies: @Dingo bay rum

    , @John Pepple
    @Mike Tre


    Why do women want to be the same as men?

     

    This was pushed by feminists because their demands were rejected by traditionalists, who said that since men and women were different, different types of jobs were appropriate for each. By saying that we were the same, they could undercut that argument.
  3. ” ….. common feminist fallacies ….. “.

    Common feminist anti-phallusies, more like.

  4. So the best and approved solution to women’s sports inequality isn’t steroids but testosterone suppressors. Do they increase sensitivity of Thomas’s John Thomas, or the reverse, or has it been chopped?

  5. In photos, Lia Thomas looks to be about 6’1″. Be more accepting. Diversity is written in the heavens, my friends.

    This Massive Planet Shouldn’t Exist

    Markus Janson, an astronomer at Stockholm University and the first author of the study, said the thing that excites him most about this discovery is the “astounding diversity” of exoplanetary systems.

    “It seems that no matter where we look—around small or big stars, single stars or binary stars, alive stars or dead stellar remnants—we always find planets in some form, even in places we didn’t think possible…”

    • LOL: El Dato
    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Anon7

    I'm not going to look, but do tell me if there's pictures of this guy in a woman's swimsuit. What about his male equipment? Is that gone? There's no hiding that in racing suits.

    Anyway, if this dude wanted attention, he certainly nailed the best way to achieve it. Despite the fact that we know he's mentally ill and a total fraud.

    I doubt there will be a wave of men competing as women in sports, but in each sport, there will be one or two who come along and set all new records for women. Benchmarks for elite female sports will be meaningless.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Charlotte, @Tony massey

  6. I was wondering recently if I was the only person who followed both Steve Sailer and Stephen Seiler on Twitter.

    (He posts interesting ex phys/endurance nerd stuff, seems like a pretty sound researcher and a real gent.).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @psmith

    A great guy, and a credit to the Seiler/Sailer/Saylor clan.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @ATate
    @psmith

    What a coinc-a-dink, I'm the same. Judging by the glee with which most people react on here whenever there's been an article about a cyclist getting hit I've assumed I was the only one following both the Steve's.

    I've read a lot of Seiler's research and listened to just about all the Podcasts with him as a guest as I can. About 5-6 years ago, when I first heard of him, he'd thrown a decent sized wrench into the training approaches for cyclists.

    Fascinating retroactive analysis on endurance athletes but not quite as applicable to us fat white middle aged cyclists.

    Replies: @psmith

  7. I would suggest new nomenclature:

    Women’s team = Biological females only, irrespective of what gender they identify as.

    WomenX Team! = Male-to-female transes allowed. If women formerly on the Women’s team feel like being a member, maybe for a month or so, why not.

    Also, concubinal Judoka-on-Judoka violence:

    ‘What was missing, my death?’ Fury in France as judo coach cleared of assaulting female Olympic champ

    A French judo coach accused of domestic violence against his Olympic champion partner has been acquitted in a case which has caused shock and outrage across the nation.

    Alain Schmitt allegedly attacked Tokyo 2020 mixed team gold medalist Margaux Pinot at her flat on the outskirts of Paris last weekend by wrestling her to the floor, verbally abusing her, and punching her and smashing her head on the ground before trying to strangle her.

    Pinot, 27, displayed serious facial injuries and a fractured nose in a social media post and asked: “What was missing? My death at the end, perhaps?”

    “It’s probably judo that saved me and my thoughts go out to other women who cannot say the same,” she added.

    Monsieur Schmitt also has a blue eye, but the fair sex clearly lost this one.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaux_Pinot

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @El Dato

    That is a very sensible solution: WomeX Teams and WomeX records. Of course that would slow the spread of insanity and civilizational destruction, so none of that!

  8. @psmith
    I was wondering recently if I was the only person who followed both Steve Sailer and Stephen Seiler on Twitter.

    (He posts interesting ex phys/endurance nerd stuff, seems like a pretty sound researcher and a real gent.).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ATate

    A great guy, and a credit to the Seiler/Sailer/Saylor clan.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Steve Sailer

    Let us not forget Katie Saylor [out of the 1970s].

    https://www.pulpinternational.com/images/postimg/smooth_saylor.jpg

  9. I think the guy in the Twitter threat got it right. I once knew somebody who did part of her post-grad work with a prominent geneticist who was also some kind of orthodox Jew. (The kind that had to get a baby to turn off and on light switches on the Sabbath, yes he got annoyed when all the scientists around him ever suggested it was silly and they often felt like they were walking on egg shells in his lab) He was very anti-PC and probably autistic enough to be so unintentionally.

    She got annoyed once and relayed how he’d once said ‘A big problem with female doctors is that they take up a training spot for a man but for obviously reasons of family, never work as hard as the male doctors in total hours or years’. No I don’t know what tone he was saying this in but the woman (Who was a female medic) said this and I stupidly said “But don’t they?” and she said “Yes, but you don’t say it!“. They don’t literally believe that men aren’t on average stronger than women, they just don’t see why you just don’t say it in a gender studies class.

    Though I’d say a big scandal that gets ignored is how doctors associations (Like lawyers, they have associations, unions are for proles) still manage to get the number of medical school places in Western countries so artificially low to increase their own wages despite the large numbers you could train up before you noticed much a decline in test scores that we now import much of the few medical school graduates of whole countries. But it’s amazing how the use and misuse of medical education isn’t something that is totally socially unshamed despite the lack of capacity in the medical system being a driving force of why covid was such a problem.

    Bottom line, a lot of the conflict in wokeness comes from certain types of men not having enough of a mental filter not to not say certain things, not even necessarily in malice but in point in fact. A huge aspect of what happened since 2014 is young women with BPD and young men with high functioning autism having the least fruitful mass arguments in human history on social media. Never have two groups not understood the other so fully at such scale.

    We live in an ever increasing maze of appalling vistas in public debate which increasingly make it impossible to even name certain social problems let alone suggest solutions. Maybe that fact is potentially the greatest appalling vista of them all. You need to be able to get those guys who can say the unsayable not in malice but in fact but we live in a world where ‘contrarian’ (Read: people who don’t hold the opposite views of everyone they meet, they just don’t censor themselves as much when they have socially-undesirable views) has become assumed to be a cover for ‘evil’.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Altai

    The med school problem is actually being addressed in the UK, in that they are expanding the number of med school places by opening new med schools. They need to, because more than half of the medical undergrads are female. Up to 1970, there were only 10 medical schools in England.

    Another 7 were opened in the 90s, another 6 in the Noughties, another 9 in the Noughteens, and 3 so far this decade with at least another one about to open (Worcester).

    For our governments of any political stripe, the increased "bang-per-buck" from male doctors is one of those truths that dare not speak its name.

    Here's the chair of the very latest one, Professor of Medical Education Sandra Nicholson, an East London GP. You might think she'd miss the diversity, but she has plans.

    https://hwchamber.co.uk/distinguished-medical-educator-appointed-as-founding-dean-of-three-counties-medical-school/


    “I’m delighted to accept this position which I see as an amazing opportunity to increase the health provision to the Three Counties area enshrining the University of Worcester’s values of inclusivity, equality and widening participation,” said Professor Nicholson. “When the doors of the medical school open it is our aim that our students will promote the diversification of the medical workforce, work effectively with healthcare professionals, and ensure patient care of the highest standards.”
     

    Replies: @Anonymous

  10. @Anon7
    In photos, Lia Thomas looks to be about 6'1". Be more accepting. Diversity is written in the heavens, my friends.

    This Massive Planet Shouldn't Exist

    Markus Janson, an astronomer at Stockholm University and the first author of the study, said the thing that excites him most about this discovery is the “astounding diversity” of exoplanetary systems.

    “It seems that no matter where we look—around small or big stars, single stars or binary stars, alive stars or dead stellar remnants—we always find planets in some form, even in places we didn’t think possible...”
     

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    I’m not going to look, but do tell me if there’s pictures of this guy in a woman’s swimsuit. What about his male equipment? Is that gone? There’s no hiding that in racing suits.

    Anyway, if this dude wanted attention, he certainly nailed the best way to achieve it. Despite the fact that we know he’s mentally ill and a total fraud.

    I doubt there will be a wave of men competing as women in sports, but in each sport, there will be one or two who come along and set all new records for women. Benchmarks for elite female sports will be meaningless.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @stillCARealist


    What about his male equipment? Is that gone?
     
    The guy at Penn has me wondering now if trannies are over-represented w.r.t. guys with tiny peepees. Easier to do the chop if you've less to lose. Psychologically, and physically too!

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    , @Charlotte
    @stillCARealist

    Interestingly, (using DuckDuckGo) virtually all photos of Lia Thomas show her fully clothed or in the pool with nothing but head, shoulders, and back visible. I found one photo of Thomas diving into the water with the groin area in deep shadow. The very lack of evidence probably answers the question . . , .

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    , @Tony massey
    @stillCARealist

    Benchmarks for elite female sports will be meaningless

    Not to me they won't. I never cared anything at all about women's sports(i do admit to becoming a huge racing fan when danica started "competing" tho i surely never saw a lap) until x-men,lol ol iSteve does get a good one in here or there, came along.
    I can't be bothered to pay attention if someone starts yakking about swimming but if its an x-man smashing women's records I can't wait to hear all about it.
    I'm a Tennessean. Wilma Rudolph was the greatest women's athlete of all time full stop. Had she been alive to compete today she would have knocked x-men the fuck out. She beat polio ya know. Lets see a biles do that.

  11. Interesting point that silencing critics of Trans participating in women’s sports has the effect of silencing discussion of male/female differences. This could explain why it is tolerated.
    The current fiction (NCAA) is that a year of hormone therapy makes it all good.

    On identification; self-identification is a personal issue. However, language is a social construct as is public recognition of some individual. Policing of that language is also a social construction.
    Paradoxically, the policing is justified as protect the perceived right of individuals to be called as they choose, but by trampling the individual rights of every other person on the planet to select appropriate language and social behaviors. This dissonance must have consequences. Publicly stating no doubt makes some more likely to believe (this defines brainwashing). For the rest, the forced utterance of untruths undermines their basic self respect (self hatred). Speech enforcement is thus unethical and immoral to the highest degree.

    This also reminds me of Bill Niskanin’s critique of how public choice theory privatizes gains while socializing small individual costs.

  12. @Mike Tre
    "That women athletes were about to catch up with men was a widespread belief among academics and the public a quarter of a century ago, although that has been memory-holed."

    To an extent. In 2019 I believe the sports media were gushing over how some negro girl was the first female to be recruited by a D1 program or something along those lines. There was also a commercial being played by MLB featuring a female negro pitching in the big game that aired 2-3 years ago. We still hear stories about the occasional female wrestler in the 105 weight class who defeats some boy in a HS freshman wrestling match.

    As I have mentioned before - at my HS in 1991 I had a female teammate on the wrestling team. A senior named Amy Cook was crowned homecoming queen and kicked a PAT in the same football game that same year. 1991!

    "Benoid had to take so much to set new records that his eyeballs turned yellow and he got caught."

    Is this a symptom of steroid use? Or amphetamine use? I don't remember Ronnie Coleman's eyes being yellow and I bet he took a lot more steroids than Benoid.


    An underlying theme here is that we are meant to believe that men and women really are the same. Is that what either wants? Why do women want to be the same as men? Doesn't that eliminate their uniqueness as female? I dunno. We move closer towards our sterile, androgynous world.

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @Adept, @res, @John Pepple

    Mike, regarding the questions posed in your final paragraph: Houellebecq offers some provocative, but plausible, answers in his novel “The Elementary Particles” (also known as “Atomized). Like others among his books, the passages that border on pornography can be off-putting to the civilized reader. But he portrays a real world, and two real generations (the “68ers” and their damaged offspring). Without giving too much away, the final chapter ties the novel’s themes together in an ingenious and utterly unexpected way, while speaking directly to the concerns you (and all of us here) raise.

  13. The Zippy Invitational?
    I’m glad to see that this great star of sequential art is giving back to the community. And what better, Zippsterish way to do that than with Trannie swimming events?
    Still delivering the irony-free goods, our little pinhead.

  14. Mentally disturbed men skunking real women in competition can be stopped almost immediately.

    First, all the (real) females withdraw from competition.

    What’s that you say? They’ve been training and working all their life and are just giving it up?
    No, they’re not going to participate in an abomination that will nullify their efforts anyway.

    That would leave the dude standing on the staring blocks alone.

    If that happened consistently, this shit would end right quick.

    What’s that you say? The women would be vilified for being transphobic?
    Who cares? Their efforts can be saved, or sullied by a chick with a dick.

    They can participate and not win.
    Or not participate and not win.

    It’s not that hard to figure out.

    Stand up for yourselves ladies!

  15. The shit will really hit the fan when a worshipped GOAT like Chris Evert gets run over by a tranny in a spot like a Wimbledon final. Something to look forward to I suppose. Back when Martina Navratilova knocked her off I heard more than one person assert that Martina was XXY/not-really-a-woman.

  16. @Mike Tre
    "That women athletes were about to catch up with men was a widespread belief among academics and the public a quarter of a century ago, although that has been memory-holed."

    To an extent. In 2019 I believe the sports media were gushing over how some negro girl was the first female to be recruited by a D1 program or something along those lines. There was also a commercial being played by MLB featuring a female negro pitching in the big game that aired 2-3 years ago. We still hear stories about the occasional female wrestler in the 105 weight class who defeats some boy in a HS freshman wrestling match.

    As I have mentioned before - at my HS in 1991 I had a female teammate on the wrestling team. A senior named Amy Cook was crowned homecoming queen and kicked a PAT in the same football game that same year. 1991!

    "Benoid had to take so much to set new records that his eyeballs turned yellow and he got caught."

    Is this a symptom of steroid use? Or amphetamine use? I don't remember Ronnie Coleman's eyes being yellow and I bet he took a lot more steroids than Benoid.


    An underlying theme here is that we are meant to believe that men and women really are the same. Is that what either wants? Why do women want to be the same as men? Doesn't that eliminate their uniqueness as female? I dunno. We move closer towards our sterile, androgynous world.

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @Adept, @res, @John Pepple

    Is this a symptom of steroid use? Or amphetamine use? I don’t remember Ronnie Coleman’s eyes being yellow and I bet he took a lot more steroids than Benoid.

    Oral steroids, like winstrol and halotestin, can cause cholestatic jaundice if used in extreme quantities. Benoid was famously fond of winstrol. Of course, some people are more genetically susceptible to steroid-induced liver damage than others!

    Two things:

    1) Cholestasis can be treated with certain bile acids, most frequently ursodeoxycholic acid.

    2) Injectable steroids like testosterone, deca, equipoise, and others, won’t cause cholestatic jaundice at any dose.

    Ronnie Coleman was on huge doses of injectables (I’ve heard rumors that he was on more than 6000mg/week in total) but probably took it pretty easy on the orals, and almost certainly knew enough to supplement those orals with ursodeoxycholic acid.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
  17. @Arclight
    I feel like to the extent this kind of denialism is going on, it's confined to arenas where the people involved don't actually engage in the type of human activity that demonstrates the clear differences between men and women. My gym has a lot of progs who like to advertise it with their social media posts or attire, but I have yet to encounter a person who thinks that having different standards for weights or calories rowed for men and women in workouts is anything other than a recognition that it's totally unrealistic to expect the same performance out of the two sexes.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666

    People are conservative about that which they know best.

    The girls in the classroom who are saying this are not athletes. Most of the girls in the class probably know its not true, but they are part of a purity spiral. Person A is an evil white dude who points out in class that there are physical differences in size and strength between men and women. The females in the class don’t like Person A – he is some kind of MAGA guy and they disagree with him about everything, so they are not about to admit that he is right about anything. Person B – let’s say that’s the professor – an older woman, reasonably replies that differences in athletic performance are partly genetic and partly due to differences in training and societal expectations for men and for women. Person C is a SJW and she declaims, NO, it’s all environmental. The rest of the females in the class are going to take Person C’s side in order to signal that she is the most Good Person and white dude is the most Bad Person. It has nothing to do with the facts. If you are a Yankees fan, whether the Red Sox are an objectively better team or not is not going to get you to switch your allegience.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke, Shel100
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    The girls in the classroom who are saying this are not athletes.
     
    Well, if you believed that all of human history can be distilled into the story of men oppressing women (rather than that 99% of people had a really hard go of it to eke out their daily bread until very recently), you'd probably want to deny that women's lot in life is largely the result of their biology, which is fixed. And if you could deny biology, then you could frame inequalities between the sexes (counting only the debits side of the female ledger) as mere cultural artifacts which can be readily changed if only we had the will to do it. So then if you run into someone who refuses to deny biology - well, that's probably because he really likes to oppress women.

    I have prattled on about it before, but there is a series of BBC reality programs in which historians live as farmers during different periods of English history from Medieval Abbey farming through the WWII period using only the technology and methods available during the respective periods. The historical division of labor between the sexes, and the resulting domestic structure is simply elementary and obvious - it's something that you have to actively unlearn. "Women's work" through most of human history largely meant work that was not "outside in 46 degree cold and windy rain in sopping wool clothes with wet feet chasing sheep from sunup to sundown."

    Replies: @Old Prude, @S. Anonyia

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    People are conservative about that which they know best.
     
    Not architects.


    The 29 Ugliest Skyscrapers in the World



    https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/5907a7d91732ef7d3c2b9ec5/master/w_800%2Cc_limit/Ugliest%2520Skyscrapers%2520in%2520the%2520World%252015.jpg

    https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/5aea06fb3a92533871d8da34/master/w_800%2Cc_limit/GettyImages-533773692.jpg

    https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/5907a7dfca0b76474b000f32/master/w_800%2Cc_limit/Ugliest%2520Skyscrapers%2520in%2520the%2520World%252017.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

  18. This sort of denialism is part of what Michael Anton is writing about with regard to social insurgencies in the U.S. It’s a correlative of his “celebration parallax.” In this case, the things the tweeter are denying (i.e., denying biological sex as fact) are “not happening, but it’s good that they are.”

    It’s a sort of deke by the left which has so much institutional power that it can simultaneously hold open conversations with itself while flatly denying what was plainly said to dissident interlocutors.

  19. @Altai
    I think the guy in the Twitter threat got it right. I once knew somebody who did part of her post-grad work with a prominent geneticist who was also some kind of orthodox Jew. (The kind that had to get a baby to turn off and on light switches on the Sabbath, yes he got annoyed when all the scientists around him ever suggested it was silly and they often felt like they were walking on egg shells in his lab) He was very anti-PC and probably autistic enough to be so unintentionally.

    She got annoyed once and relayed how he'd once said 'A big problem with female doctors is that they take up a training spot for a man but for obviously reasons of family, never work as hard as the male doctors in total hours or years'. No I don't know what tone he was saying this in but the woman (Who was a female medic) said this and I stupidly said "But don't they?" and she said "Yes, but you don't say it!". They don't literally believe that men aren't on average stronger than women, they just don't see why you just don't say it in a gender studies class.

    Though I'd say a big scandal that gets ignored is how doctors associations (Like lawyers, they have associations, unions are for proles) still manage to get the number of medical school places in Western countries so artificially low to increase their own wages despite the large numbers you could train up before you noticed much a decline in test scores that we now import much of the few medical school graduates of whole countries. But it's amazing how the use and misuse of medical education isn't something that is totally socially unshamed despite the lack of capacity in the medical system being a driving force of why covid was such a problem.

    Bottom line, a lot of the conflict in wokeness comes from certain types of men not having enough of a mental filter not to not say certain things, not even necessarily in malice but in point in fact. A huge aspect of what happened since 2014 is young women with BPD and young men with high functioning autism having the least fruitful mass arguments in human history on social media. Never have two groups not understood the other so fully at such scale.

    We live in an ever increasing maze of appalling vistas in public debate which increasingly make it impossible to even name certain social problems let alone suggest solutions. Maybe that fact is potentially the greatest appalling vista of them all. You need to be able to get those guys who can say the unsayable not in malice but in fact but we live in a world where 'contrarian' (Read: people who don't hold the opposite views of everyone they meet, they just don't censor themselves as much when they have socially-undesirable views) has become assumed to be a cover for 'evil'.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    The med school problem is actually being addressed in the UK, in that they are expanding the number of med school places by opening new med schools. They need to, because more than half of the medical undergrads are female. Up to 1970, there were only 10 medical schools in England.

    Another 7 were opened in the 90s, another 6 in the Noughties, another 9 in the Noughteens, and 3 so far this decade with at least another one about to open (Worcester).

    For our governments of any political stripe, the increased “bang-per-buck” from male doctors is one of those truths that dare not speak its name.

    Here’s the chair of the very latest one, Professor of Medical Education Sandra Nicholson, an East London GP. You might think she’d miss the diversity, but she has plans.

    https://hwchamber.co.uk/distinguished-medical-educator-appointed-as-founding-dean-of-three-counties-medical-school/

    “I’m delighted to accept this position which I see as an amazing opportunity to increase the health provision to the Three Counties area enshrining the University of Worcester’s values of inclusivity, equality and widening participation,” said Professor Nicholson. “When the doors of the medical school open it is our aim that our students will promote the diversification of the medical workforce, work effectively with healthcare professionals, and ensure patient care of the highest standards.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon

    " ..... Diversification of the medical workforce .....".

    Well, in the UK subcons are massively overrepresented in the 'medical workforce', and surely on a per capita basis the native British are acutely underrepresented.

    So it really was an unwise and unthinking comment by the professor.

  20. @Jack D
    @Arclight

    People are conservative about that which they know best.

    The girls in the classroom who are saying this are not athletes. Most of the girls in the class probably know its not true, but they are part of a purity spiral. Person A is an evil white dude who points out in class that there are physical differences in size and strength between men and women. The females in the class don't like Person A - he is some kind of MAGA guy and they disagree with him about everything, so they are not about to admit that he is right about anything. Person B - let's say that's the professor - an older woman, reasonably replies that differences in athletic performance are partly genetic and partly due to differences in training and societal expectations for men and for women. Person C is a SJW and she declaims, NO, it's all environmental. The rest of the females in the class are going to take Person C's side in order to signal that she is the most Good Person and white dude is the most Bad Person. It has nothing to do with the facts. If you are a Yankees fan, whether the Red Sox are an objectively better team or not is not going to get you to switch your allegience.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Reg Cæsar

    The girls in the classroom who are saying this are not athletes.

    Well, if you believed that all of human history can be distilled into the story of men oppressing women (rather than that 99% of people had a really hard go of it to eke out their daily bread until very recently), you’d probably want to deny that women’s lot in life is largely the result of their biology, which is fixed. And if you could deny biology, then you could frame inequalities between the sexes (counting only the debits side of the female ledger) as mere cultural artifacts which can be readily changed if only we had the will to do it. So then if you run into someone who refuses to deny biology – well, that’s probably because he really likes to oppress women.

    I have prattled on about it before, but there is a series of BBC reality programs in which historians live as farmers during different periods of English history from Medieval Abbey farming through the WWII period using only the technology and methods available during the respective periods. The historical division of labor between the sexes, and the resulting domestic structure is simply elementary and obvious – it’s something that you have to actively unlearn. “Women’s work” through most of human history largely meant work that was not “outside in 46 degree cold and windy rain in sopping wool clothes with wet feet chasing sheep from sunup to sundown.”

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Mrs. Prude is perfectly content to sit inside sipping hot cocoa while Old Prude is on his back in frozen slush trying to fix the snow-blower. Men oppressing women, indeed!

    (The best bit is when Old Prude comes into the house soaked, complaining of the wet and the cold. Mrs. Prude looks up from her hot cocoa "Ah, quit your whining."

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @SaneClownPosse

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    The average working class premodern woman did a lot of outdoor work in terrible weather conditions. They’d probably physically kick the ass of most modern women. It just that their work wasn’t as tough as adult men’s labor.

    Also keep in mind a woman whose husband died or went to war would often serve as the primary laborer until her one of her sons was old enough to take over. Several of my female ancestors between 1860-1920 had to run farms basically solo for periods ranging between 5-20 years. I don’t think this was unusual in the South.

    This is a separate issue than obvious physical sex differences between men and women, which are rooted way further back than agriculture. Only pointing out that you’re describing a fairly bourgeoisie farm and division of labor compared to how many lived.

  21. Sociology is at the forefront of race/gender denial so this really shouldn’t be a surprise.

    They also believe that racial imbalances in sports are environmental. I once pointed out to someone in the social sciences that it would be extremely unlikely to find a Japanese forward in the NBA due to their average height and homogeneity. This person was outraged that I would make such a statement and insisted there would be just as many Japanese in the NBA if we altered the environment. I showed him statistics regarding Japanese height and he told me they probably don’t eat as much protein.

    The problem for the liberal egalitarian is that if we admit any type of natural imbalance exists then it becomes harder to explain why all others must not exist. That could lead to the nightmare scenario of admitting that racial inequalities are not all the fault of evil Whites.

    The social sciences depend on conforming to an unspoken basis of equality. Denying gender differences to absurd levels acts as a buffer against further inquiry. They basically have to draw the line of denial somewhere and there is often confusion as to where the line should begin. It’s not as if the line is ever at a rational point. So students will err on the side of the extreme to show their dedication to the cause.

    • Agree: Jack D
  22. Peacocks displays their bright tails to attract the ladies. Human men attract the ladies through showing off as well such as in sports achievement.

    Peahens don’t need bright colors and it would endanger their young. Staying fit is nice for women and keeps the attractive. High level sports achievement however doesn’t exactly give a reproduction boost as the most fertile years are the best performance years.

  23. That women athletes were about to catch up with men was a widespread belief among academics and the public a quarter of a century ago, although that has been memory-holed.

    Really? I never knew anyone who believed that. I was right here in the public a quarter of a century ago, and I was even among academics.

    A 1996 poll found that 66% of Americans believed top women athletes would catch up to top men in the not too distant future.

    It’s not that I’m doubting you, Steve, but I am just glad to have always lived in Thirty-Four-Percentia, State of REDACTED. (No! There’s nothing for rent here, and it’s not near Placenta, California, so quit asking, people.)

    • Replies: @res
    @Achmed E. Newman

    FWIW, I think this is the poll. I don't see details freely available anywhere though.
    https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/ipoll/study/31106818

  24. @El Dato
    I would suggest new nomenclature:

    Women's team = Biological females only, irrespective of what gender they identify as.

    WomenX Team! = Male-to-female transes allowed. If women formerly on the Women's team feel like being a member, maybe for a month or so, why not.

    Also, concubinal Judoka-on-Judoka violence:

    ‘What was missing, my death?’ Fury in France as judo coach cleared of assaulting female Olympic champ

    A French judo coach accused of domestic violence against his Olympic champion partner has been acquitted in a case which has caused shock and outrage across the nation.

    Alain Schmitt allegedly attacked Tokyo 2020 mixed team gold medalist Margaux Pinot at her flat on the outskirts of Paris last weekend by wrestling her to the floor, verbally abusing her, and punching her and smashing her head on the ground before trying to strangle her.

    Pinot, 27, displayed serious facial injuries and a fractured nose in a social media post and asked: "What was missing? My death at the end, perhaps?"

    "It’s probably judo that saved me and my thoughts go out to other women who cannot say the same," she added.
     
    Monsieur Schmitt also has a blue eye, but the fair sex clearly lost this one.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaux_Pinot

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CW8NMrXM8nN/

    Replies: @Old Prude

    That is a very sensible solution: WomeX Teams and WomeX records. Of course that would slow the spread of insanity and civilizational destruction, so none of that!

  25. Anon[332] • Disclaimer says:

    Being transgender is a sneaky way of ‘doping for a race’ without taking a drug.

    That’s why it’s popular for men who really, really want to win something, anything, to compete against women.

    The next step, grown man who are so desperate to win anything that they’ll compete in children’s sports!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anon


    The next step, grown man who are so desperate to win anything that they’ll compete in children’s sports!
     
    Is it safe nowadays to identify as any age you want? How will that work with beer, wine, and liquor? Asking for a friend ... whose Mom won't let him get on the computer right now.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Alden
    @Anon

    There was a Seinfeld episode. Kramer was in an entry level karate class. Not an adult entry level class. But a kids class.

  26. @psmith
    I was wondering recently if I was the only person who followed both Steve Sailer and Stephen Seiler on Twitter.

    (He posts interesting ex phys/endurance nerd stuff, seems like a pretty sound researcher and a real gent.).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ATate

    What a coinc-a-dink, I’m the same. Judging by the glee with which most people react on here whenever there’s been an article about a cyclist getting hit I’ve assumed I was the only one following both the Steve’s.

    I’ve read a lot of Seiler’s research and listened to just about all the Podcasts with him as a guest as I can. About 5-6 years ago, when I first heard of him, he’d thrown a decent sized wrench into the training approaches for cyclists.

    Fascinating retroactive analysis on endurance athletes but not quite as applicable to us fat white middle aged cyclists.

    • Replies: @psmith
    @ATate

    Iono, most of my endurance training is foot-borne so I don't know too much about the cycling-specific literature, but I'm pretty sure he's coauthored or supervised a couple papers on regular-ass time-limited masters guys (maybe triathletes and/or rowers rather than just cyclists) that pretty much reinforce polarized training best training. Obviously, there are reasonable people who disagree and I guess I wouldn't say it's a slam dunk, but it's not like he hasn't thought about that.

  27. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    The girls in the classroom who are saying this are not athletes.
     
    Well, if you believed that all of human history can be distilled into the story of men oppressing women (rather than that 99% of people had a really hard go of it to eke out their daily bread until very recently), you'd probably want to deny that women's lot in life is largely the result of their biology, which is fixed. And if you could deny biology, then you could frame inequalities between the sexes (counting only the debits side of the female ledger) as mere cultural artifacts which can be readily changed if only we had the will to do it. So then if you run into someone who refuses to deny biology - well, that's probably because he really likes to oppress women.

    I have prattled on about it before, but there is a series of BBC reality programs in which historians live as farmers during different periods of English history from Medieval Abbey farming through the WWII period using only the technology and methods available during the respective periods. The historical division of labor between the sexes, and the resulting domestic structure is simply elementary and obvious - it's something that you have to actively unlearn. "Women's work" through most of human history largely meant work that was not "outside in 46 degree cold and windy rain in sopping wool clothes with wet feet chasing sheep from sunup to sundown."

    Replies: @Old Prude, @S. Anonyia

    Mrs. Prude is perfectly content to sit inside sipping hot cocoa while Old Prude is on his back in frozen slush trying to fix the snow-blower. Men oppressing women, indeed!

    (The best bit is when Old Prude comes into the house soaked, complaining of the wet and the cold. Mrs. Prude looks up from her hot cocoa “Ah, quit your whining.”

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Old Prude

    It's time for the Prudes to move to Florida.

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @Old Prude

    You're lucky that she didn't yell at you for coming in with wet boots and dirty hands.

  28. If “Lia Thomas” claims to be female, what’s under that swimsuit?

    Merely “identifying” as a sex you weren’t born as doesn’t turn you into another sex. Or is that the soft lie of “transexualism” (i.e. transvestism).

    Removing male testes would significantly impact the production of male hormones naturally. Taking those as a supplement is probably (one assumes) prohibited in women’s’ sports.

    You would still have the original body type, bone density, etc. you were born with and developed but no testes, no testosterone, etc. (some, not nearly as much).

    So “equality” in sports performance between men and women will happen only when surgeons are involved? Will tiny “male” ex-women now dominate male gymnastics?

    And if any of this is true, what’s the point? Bionically altered athletes should not be permitted to compete with “naturals.”

  29. @Steve Sailer
    @psmith

    A great guy, and a credit to the Seiler/Sailer/Saylor clan.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Let us not forget Katie Saylor [out of the 1970s].

  30. @Mike Tre
    "That women athletes were about to catch up with men was a widespread belief among academics and the public a quarter of a century ago, although that has been memory-holed."

    To an extent. In 2019 I believe the sports media were gushing over how some negro girl was the first female to be recruited by a D1 program or something along those lines. There was also a commercial being played by MLB featuring a female negro pitching in the big game that aired 2-3 years ago. We still hear stories about the occasional female wrestler in the 105 weight class who defeats some boy in a HS freshman wrestling match.

    As I have mentioned before - at my HS in 1991 I had a female teammate on the wrestling team. A senior named Amy Cook was crowned homecoming queen and kicked a PAT in the same football game that same year. 1991!

    "Benoid had to take so much to set new records that his eyeballs turned yellow and he got caught."

    Is this a symptom of steroid use? Or amphetamine use? I don't remember Ronnie Coleman's eyes being yellow and I bet he took a lot more steroids than Benoid.


    An underlying theme here is that we are meant to believe that men and women really are the same. Is that what either wants? Why do women want to be the same as men? Doesn't that eliminate their uniqueness as female? I dunno. We move closer towards our sterile, androgynous world.

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @Adept, @res, @John Pepple

    “Benoid had to take so much to set new records that his eyeballs turned yellow and he got caught.”

    Is this a symptom of steroid use?

    It’s caused by jaundice.
    https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/steroids-other-appearance-performance-enhancing-drugs-apeds/what-are-side-effects-anabolic-steroid-misuse

    Anabolic steroids can also produce jaundice, or yellowing of the skin or eyes, as a result of damage to the liver.74,75

    References at the link.

    • Replies: @Dingo bay rum
    @res

    And we know at that time,ben was the only athlete using steroids !!

  31. @Achmed E. Newman

    That women athletes were about to catch up with men was a widespread belief among academics and the public a quarter of a century ago, although that has been memory-holed.
     
    Really? I never knew anyone who believed that. I was right here in the public a quarter of a century ago, and I was even among academics.

    A 1996 poll found that 66% of Americans believed top women athletes would catch up to top men in the not too distant future.

     
    It's not that I'm doubting you, Steve, but I am just glad to have always lived in Thirty-Four-Percentia, State of REDACTED. (No! There's nothing for rent here, and it's not near Placenta, California, so quit asking, people.)

    Replies: @res

    FWIW, I think this is the poll. I don’t see details freely available anywhere though.
    https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/ipoll/study/31106818

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  32. Penn women’s swimmer Lia Thomas

    He’s still short of Katy Ledecky’s records. (Which just underscores what a phenom Ledecky was/is. After all, this Lia Thomas was very good even competing as a male.)

  33. @Old Prude
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Mrs. Prude is perfectly content to sit inside sipping hot cocoa while Old Prude is on his back in frozen slush trying to fix the snow-blower. Men oppressing women, indeed!

    (The best bit is when Old Prude comes into the house soaked, complaining of the wet and the cold. Mrs. Prude looks up from her hot cocoa "Ah, quit your whining."

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @SaneClownPosse

    It’s time for the Prudes to move to Florida.

  34. Marion Jones got sent to prison in 2005 for lying about steroid use

    I haven’t followed major sports since the eighties, so I didn’t follow the steroid witch hunts, e.g. Jones, Bonds, & Clemens, that came along later. MJ was punished for lying to government liar-bureaucrats. A speech crime.

    • It all depends on what the meaning of the word is, is.
    • Don’t take drugs, unless we tell you to do so (and then we insist).

  35. The Daily Penn article got the yards vs metres measurement right. Why does the NCAA still use them? Are 25/50 yard pools standard in America?

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Henry's Cat

    American athletic pools have been using meters for length for many decades, but use feet for depth.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    , @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    @Henry's Cat

    There are two swim "seasons" and sets of records. Short course, which is swum in a 25-yard pool. High schools and colleges swim short course, as do the age-group kids in the Fall and Winter. Long course, which is swum in a 50-meter pool. that season starts in the late Spring and goes through the Summer. The Olympics is swum in a 50-meter pool.

    Most olympic-sized pool are 50 meters by 25 yards, so they can be quickly switched back and forth from short course to long course.

    There are a few 25-meter pools (short course meters) and there are records for that too, but people don't really track those times.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

  36. @stillCARealist
    @Anon7

    I'm not going to look, but do tell me if there's pictures of this guy in a woman's swimsuit. What about his male equipment? Is that gone? There's no hiding that in racing suits.

    Anyway, if this dude wanted attention, he certainly nailed the best way to achieve it. Despite the fact that we know he's mentally ill and a total fraud.

    I doubt there will be a wave of men competing as women in sports, but in each sport, there will be one or two who come along and set all new records for women. Benchmarks for elite female sports will be meaningless.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Charlotte, @Tony massey

    What about his male equipment? Is that gone?

    The guy at Penn has me wondering now if trannies are over-represented w.r.t. guys with tiny peepees. Easier to do the chop if you’ve less to lose. Psychologically, and physically too!

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @Hangnail Hans

    Very Freudian.

  37. @stillCARealist
    @Anon7

    I'm not going to look, but do tell me if there's pictures of this guy in a woman's swimsuit. What about his male equipment? Is that gone? There's no hiding that in racing suits.

    Anyway, if this dude wanted attention, he certainly nailed the best way to achieve it. Despite the fact that we know he's mentally ill and a total fraud.

    I doubt there will be a wave of men competing as women in sports, but in each sport, there will be one or two who come along and set all new records for women. Benchmarks for elite female sports will be meaningless.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Charlotte, @Tony massey

    Interestingly, (using DuckDuckGo) virtually all photos of Lia Thomas show her fully clothed or in the pool with nothing but head, shoulders, and back visible. I found one photo of Thomas diving into the water with the groin area in deep shadow. The very lack of evidence probably answers the question . . , .

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Charlotte

    Is this the old "Absence of evidence" vs "Evidence of absence" dichotomy?

  38. @Arclight
    I feel like to the extent this kind of denialism is going on, it's confined to arenas where the people involved don't actually engage in the type of human activity that demonstrates the clear differences between men and women. My gym has a lot of progs who like to advertise it with their social media posts or attire, but I have yet to encounter a person who thinks that having different standards for weights or calories rowed for men and women in workouts is anything other than a recognition that it's totally unrealistic to expect the same performance out of the two sexes.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666

    Steve is wrong. Women are way stronger now. I see it all the time. On TV a 110 lb. girl will jump up in air and kick a 250 lb. man across the room. It’s just a matter of timing and technique to suspend the normal bigoted rule that F= MA.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Hypnotoad666


    Steve is wrong. Women are way stronger now. I see it all the time. On TV a 110 lb. girl will jump up in air and kick a 250 lb. man across the room. It’s just a matter of timing and technique to suspend the normal bigoted rule that F= MA.
     
    That's nothing. I see this gal in a skintight blue and red outfit and an "S" logo on her chest leaping tall buildings in a single bound. I understand ¡Jeb! is a big fan.
    , @Bill Jones
    @Hypnotoad666

    It was male bigots like Isaac Newton who came up with the "law" that falsely claims that the equal and opposite reaction of the kick would send the wee girlie just over twice as far back as the man went.

    Congress should get their shit together and start annulling these laws.

  39. @ATate
    @psmith

    What a coinc-a-dink, I'm the same. Judging by the glee with which most people react on here whenever there's been an article about a cyclist getting hit I've assumed I was the only one following both the Steve's.

    I've read a lot of Seiler's research and listened to just about all the Podcasts with him as a guest as I can. About 5-6 years ago, when I first heard of him, he'd thrown a decent sized wrench into the training approaches for cyclists.

    Fascinating retroactive analysis on endurance athletes but not quite as applicable to us fat white middle aged cyclists.

    Replies: @psmith

    Iono, most of my endurance training is foot-borne so I don’t know too much about the cycling-specific literature, but I’m pretty sure he’s coauthored or supervised a couple papers on regular-ass time-limited masters guys (maybe triathletes and/or rowers rather than just cyclists) that pretty much reinforce polarized training best training. Obviously, there are reasonable people who disagree and I guess I wouldn’t say it’s a slam dunk, but it’s not like he hasn’t thought about that.

  40. Women make much better kindergarten teachers and nurses than men do because of differences above the neck. This is harder to deal with for wokesters than is a discussion of sex differences in lung size and wingspan in swimming.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  41. Can women on steroids best men on steroids? That is the real question here. Because all sportspersons are on steroids. And it’s all fixed.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @obwandiyag

    For the power events, your question is already answered. Female powerlifters have been juicing for years and their records are way short of the males.

    The women's heavyweight record for the squat is only 40 lbs. more than MY personal best! My best bench press is 62 lbs. more than the women's record. And I'm just a weekend warrior, not a competitive powerlifter!

  42. At some point in the not incredibly distant past, it was reasonable to believe that women were not worse at sports than men, on average, and that sexual roles had kept them from participating and training. This is obviously no longer the case and we have endless documented evidence to say so.

    Before a debate is ever had, no one can be sure of the answer. But once it has been had, the debate is often pretty clear.

    I suppose this is not true for idiots and conspiracists, two boxes into which most woke feminists fall into.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Triteleia Laxa


    At some point in the not incredibly distant past, it was reasonable to believe that women were not worse at sports than men, on average, and that sexual roles had kept them from participating and training.
     
    At what point was that? Can you pinpoint a year or a decade, because I can't think of a time when it was not firking obvious.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  43. Camille Paglia has written in favour of only one set of athletic competitions being offered, in which girls compete as absolute equals and inevitably become uncompetitive in almost everything by about 12. Such an approach will teach sex differences and how the world works.

    There are at least two reasons to have women only options though:
    – encouraging physical activity beyond 12 cannot be a bad thing for health generally; and
    – some women’s versions of sports have their own appeal even if largely run by the same rules as men’s. Lacrosse, field hockey and tennis can have fun tomboyish versions.

  44. ‘And are men, in fact, stronger? … It is Dowling’s controversial thesis that women succumb to societal pressures to appear weak in order to seem more “feminine.” …’

    As it happens, both happen. When I ran my moving business, the customers were welcome to help if they liked, and they often did.

    …so I got plenty of chances to appraise how women did physically compared to men. Allowing for smaller size, women seemed to be physically about half as strong as men — but then, they would also decide they ‘couldn’t’ pick up that box, dresser, etc (barring extremes, being able to pick something up has a lot to do with being determined to pick it up).

    Combined, the net effect was they were able to move about a quarter as much stuff as men, pound for pound. You get those table lamps, honey.

    I will note that I was impressed by exactly one female moveress in my eighteen years or so in the business. She was some black girl who was obviously motivated to hold the bill down — and she was definitely pulling her weight, so to speak. I say that as someone who is not over-eager to give excessive credit to blacks.

    That was one, in eighteen years.

  45. @Triteleia Laxa
    At some point in the not incredibly distant past, it was reasonable to believe that women were not worse at sports than men, on average, and that sexual roles had kept them from participating and training. This is obviously no longer the case and we have endless documented evidence to say so.

    Before a debate is ever had, no one can be sure of the answer. But once it has been had, the debate is often pretty clear.

    I suppose this is not true for idiots and conspiracists, two boxes into which most woke feminists fall into.

    Replies: @Jack D

    At some point in the not incredibly distant past, it was reasonable to believe that women were not worse at sports than men, on average, and that sexual roles had kept them from participating and training.

    At what point was that? Can you pinpoint a year or a decade, because I can’t think of a time when it was not firking obvious.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Jack D

    It isn't that long ago that women couldn't have credit cards, mortgages and the idea of women training to be professional sportsmen would be seen as ridiculous.

    Obviously the last fact is the pertinent one and a world where women did not have the option to train intensely from a young age in various sports is a world where reasonable people could assume that women's worse sporting performances were because of that discrimination.

    In some things, the old sexists were right, like on sports, but on other things, like women not being perfectly capable of functioning in a professional environment, those old sexists were wrong; but they were not unreasonable in either position, as long as they realised that there was a good chance that they were wrong, given inconclusive evidence.

    Meanwhile their opponents were also reasonable under the same conditions for their positions, but are obviously unreasonable in one now and yet proven right on the other.

    Replies: @Jack D

  46. @Jack D
    @Triteleia Laxa


    At some point in the not incredibly distant past, it was reasonable to believe that women were not worse at sports than men, on average, and that sexual roles had kept them from participating and training.
     
    At what point was that? Can you pinpoint a year or a decade, because I can't think of a time when it was not firking obvious.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    It isn’t that long ago that women couldn’t have credit cards, mortgages and the idea of women training to be professional sportsmen would be seen as ridiculous.

    Obviously the last fact is the pertinent one and a world where women did not have the option to train intensely from a young age in various sports is a world where reasonable people could assume that women’s worse sporting performances were because of that discrimination.

    In some things, the old sexists were right, like on sports, but on other things, like women not being perfectly capable of functioning in a professional environment, those old sexists were wrong; but they were not unreasonable in either position, as long as they realised that there was a good chance that they were wrong, given inconclusive evidence.

    Meanwhile their opponents were also reasonable under the same conditions for their positions, but are obviously unreasonable in one now and yet proven right on the other.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The difference in the physical size, weight and performance of women in things like running speed and swimming speed (not to mention broad jumping, weight lifting, etc.) is, again, frickin' obvious from puberty onward and persists across virtually all sports regardless of the amount of training needed and there was never a time when this was any less than obvious unless you were some sort of true believer. There were (it's true that they were rare, but they existed) women doctors and lawyers and scientists starting in the 19th century (the first woman was not admitted to the bar in the US in 1969 but rather 1869 - the Woke think that women were kept barefoot and pregnant until the day before their memory begins) so it was clear that women were not entirely incapable of intellectual trades but we are still waiting for say the first female NFL cornerback.

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj, @Old Prude

  47. Hah! I have a vivid memory of reading that ’97 NR article on the crapper at my parents’ house.

    TMI?

  48. @Hypnotoad666
    @Arclight

    Steve is wrong. Women are way stronger now. I see it all the time. On TV a 110 lb. girl will jump up in air and kick a 250 lb. man across the room. It's just a matter of timing and technique to suspend the normal bigoted rule that F= MA.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Bill Jones

    Steve is wrong. Women are way stronger now. I see it all the time. On TV a 110 lb. girl will jump up in air and kick a 250 lb. man across the room. It’s just a matter of timing and technique to suspend the normal bigoted rule that F= MA.

    That’s nothing. I see this gal in a skintight blue and red outfit and an “S” logo on her chest leaping tall buildings in a single bound. I understand ¡Jeb! is a big fan.

  49. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Jack D

    It isn't that long ago that women couldn't have credit cards, mortgages and the idea of women training to be professional sportsmen would be seen as ridiculous.

    Obviously the last fact is the pertinent one and a world where women did not have the option to train intensely from a young age in various sports is a world where reasonable people could assume that women's worse sporting performances were because of that discrimination.

    In some things, the old sexists were right, like on sports, but on other things, like women not being perfectly capable of functioning in a professional environment, those old sexists were wrong; but they were not unreasonable in either position, as long as they realised that there was a good chance that they were wrong, given inconclusive evidence.

    Meanwhile their opponents were also reasonable under the same conditions for their positions, but are obviously unreasonable in one now and yet proven right on the other.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The difference in the physical size, weight and performance of women in things like running speed and swimming speed (not to mention broad jumping, weight lifting, etc.) is, again, frickin’ obvious from puberty onward and persists across virtually all sports regardless of the amount of training needed and there was never a time when this was any less than obvious unless you were some sort of true believer. There were (it’s true that they were rare, but they existed) women doctors and lawyers and scientists starting in the 19th century (the first woman was not admitted to the bar in the US in 1969 but rather 1869 – the Woke think that women were kept barefoot and pregnant until the day before their memory begins) so it was clear that women were not entirely incapable of intellectual trades but we are still waiting for say the first female NFL cornerback.

    • Replies: @74v56ruthiyj
    @Jack D

    If a woman is actually capable of finishing law school, the best thing she could do is have six kids and work hard at raising them to be honest, productive humans. We have enough lawyers.

    , @Old Prude
    @Jack D

    Female Cornerback? Where's the first female linebacker? (I've seen plenty of potential lines-women in Wal-Mart)

  50. Why even focus on sports that require strength and speed? Men hugely outperform women even in Chess, as well as in Equestrian events at the Olympics.

    One would think Equestrian would at least be equal, but it certainly is not. 80%+ of medals are won by men.

    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @Thomm

    Women in bikinis outperform men in swimsuits in beach volleyball competition. I'm not saying they beat them at volleyball - just that they put on a better performance.

  51. @Anon
    Being transgender is a sneaky way of 'doping for a race' without taking a drug.

    That's why it's popular for men who really, really want to win something, anything, to compete against women.

    The next step, grown man who are so desperate to win anything that they'll compete in children's sports!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Alden

    The next step, grown man who are so desperate to win anything that they’ll compete in children’s sports!

    Is it safe nowadays to identify as any age you want? How will that work with beer, wine, and liquor? Asking for a friend … whose Mom won’t let him get on the computer right now.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Is it safe nowadays to identify as any age you want? Asking for a friend … whose Mom won’t let him get on the computer right now.
     
    Jared Fogle? Josh Duggar? Pete Townshend?
  52. Anyone named after a Fleetwood Mac song probably didn’t have the most serious upbringing.

    Rhiannon Dauster = One nuts harridan!

  53. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anon


    The next step, grown man who are so desperate to win anything that they’ll compete in children’s sports!
     
    Is it safe nowadays to identify as any age you want? How will that work with beer, wine, and liquor? Asking for a friend ... whose Mom won't let him get on the computer right now.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Is it safe nowadays to identify as any age you want? Asking for a friend … whose Mom won’t let him get on the computer right now.

    Jared Fogle? Josh Duggar? Pete Townshend?

    • LOL: JMcG
  54. @Charlotte
    @stillCARealist

    Interestingly, (using DuckDuckGo) virtually all photos of Lia Thomas show her fully clothed or in the pool with nothing but head, shoulders, and back visible. I found one photo of Thomas diving into the water with the groin area in deep shadow. The very lack of evidence probably answers the question . . , .

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    Is this the old “Absence of evidence” vs “Evidence of absence” dichotomy?

  55. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    The girls in the classroom who are saying this are not athletes.
     
    Well, if you believed that all of human history can be distilled into the story of men oppressing women (rather than that 99% of people had a really hard go of it to eke out their daily bread until very recently), you'd probably want to deny that women's lot in life is largely the result of their biology, which is fixed. And if you could deny biology, then you could frame inequalities between the sexes (counting only the debits side of the female ledger) as mere cultural artifacts which can be readily changed if only we had the will to do it. So then if you run into someone who refuses to deny biology - well, that's probably because he really likes to oppress women.

    I have prattled on about it before, but there is a series of BBC reality programs in which historians live as farmers during different periods of English history from Medieval Abbey farming through the WWII period using only the technology and methods available during the respective periods. The historical division of labor between the sexes, and the resulting domestic structure is simply elementary and obvious - it's something that you have to actively unlearn. "Women's work" through most of human history largely meant work that was not "outside in 46 degree cold and windy rain in sopping wool clothes with wet feet chasing sheep from sunup to sundown."

    Replies: @Old Prude, @S. Anonyia

    The average working class premodern woman did a lot of outdoor work in terrible weather conditions. They’d probably physically kick the ass of most modern women. It just that their work wasn’t as tough as adult men’s labor.

    Also keep in mind a woman whose husband died or went to war would often serve as the primary laborer until her one of her sons was old enough to take over. Several of my female ancestors between 1860-1920 had to run farms basically solo for periods ranging between 5-20 years. I don’t think this was unusual in the South.

    This is a separate issue than obvious physical sex differences between men and women, which are rooted way further back than agriculture. Only pointing out that you’re describing a fairly bourgeoisie farm and division of labor compared to how many lived.

  56. @Jack D
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The difference in the physical size, weight and performance of women in things like running speed and swimming speed (not to mention broad jumping, weight lifting, etc.) is, again, frickin' obvious from puberty onward and persists across virtually all sports regardless of the amount of training needed and there was never a time when this was any less than obvious unless you were some sort of true believer. There were (it's true that they were rare, but they existed) women doctors and lawyers and scientists starting in the 19th century (the first woman was not admitted to the bar in the US in 1969 but rather 1869 - the Woke think that women were kept barefoot and pregnant until the day before their memory begins) so it was clear that women were not entirely incapable of intellectual trades but we are still waiting for say the first female NFL cornerback.

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj, @Old Prude

    If a woman is actually capable of finishing law school, the best thing she could do is have six kids and work hard at raising them to be honest, productive humans. We have enough lawyers.

  57. Outkick interviewed one of Lia Thomas’ teammates.

    This is UPenn, the Ivy League.

    according to a Penn female swimmer who said she feared for her ability to find employment after graduating from college for sharing her honest opinion about a transgender teammate

    She’s not wrong, as they say.

    “When the whole team is together, we have to be like, ‘Oh my gosh, go Lia, that’s great, you’re amazing.’ It’s very fake,” she added.

    Up until now, it’s been girls lying to gain status. That technique is backfiring. It’s getting serious.

    https://www.outkick.com/outkick-exclusive-penn-trans-swimmers-teammate-speaks-out-as-lia-thomas-smashes-more-records/

  58. @Henry's Cat
    The Daily Penn article got the yards vs metres measurement right. Why does the NCAA still use them? Are 25/50 yard pools standard in America?

    Replies: @Pixo, @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    American athletic pools have been using meters for length for many decades, but use feet for depth.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @Pixo

    Are there special pools for these races?

  59. @Old Prude
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Mrs. Prude is perfectly content to sit inside sipping hot cocoa while Old Prude is on his back in frozen slush trying to fix the snow-blower. Men oppressing women, indeed!

    (The best bit is when Old Prude comes into the house soaked, complaining of the wet and the cold. Mrs. Prude looks up from her hot cocoa "Ah, quit your whining."

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @SaneClownPosse

    You’re lucky that she didn’t yell at you for coming in with wet boots and dirty hands.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  60. @Hangnail Hans
    @stillCARealist


    What about his male equipment? Is that gone?
     
    The guy at Penn has me wondering now if trannies are over-represented w.r.t. guys with tiny peepees. Easier to do the chop if you've less to lose. Psychologically, and physically too!

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    Very Freudian.

  61. @Jack D
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The difference in the physical size, weight and performance of women in things like running speed and swimming speed (not to mention broad jumping, weight lifting, etc.) is, again, frickin' obvious from puberty onward and persists across virtually all sports regardless of the amount of training needed and there was never a time when this was any less than obvious unless you were some sort of true believer. There were (it's true that they were rare, but they existed) women doctors and lawyers and scientists starting in the 19th century (the first woman was not admitted to the bar in the US in 1969 but rather 1869 - the Woke think that women were kept barefoot and pregnant until the day before their memory begins) so it was clear that women were not entirely incapable of intellectual trades but we are still waiting for say the first female NFL cornerback.

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj, @Old Prude

    Female Cornerback? Where’s the first female linebacker? (I’ve seen plenty of potential lines-women in Wal-Mart)

  62. @Thomm
    Why even focus on sports that require strength and speed? Men hugely outperform women even in Chess, as well as in Equestrian events at the Olympics.

    One would think Equestrian would at least be equal, but it certainly is not. 80%+ of medals are won by men.

    Replies: @rebel yell

    Women in bikinis outperform men in swimsuits in beach volleyball competition. I’m not saying they beat them at volleyball – just that they put on a better performance.

  63. @Mike Tre
    "That women athletes were about to catch up with men was a widespread belief among academics and the public a quarter of a century ago, although that has been memory-holed."

    To an extent. In 2019 I believe the sports media were gushing over how some negro girl was the first female to be recruited by a D1 program or something along those lines. There was also a commercial being played by MLB featuring a female negro pitching in the big game that aired 2-3 years ago. We still hear stories about the occasional female wrestler in the 105 weight class who defeats some boy in a HS freshman wrestling match.

    As I have mentioned before - at my HS in 1991 I had a female teammate on the wrestling team. A senior named Amy Cook was crowned homecoming queen and kicked a PAT in the same football game that same year. 1991!

    "Benoid had to take so much to set new records that his eyeballs turned yellow and he got caught."

    Is this a symptom of steroid use? Or amphetamine use? I don't remember Ronnie Coleman's eyes being yellow and I bet he took a lot more steroids than Benoid.


    An underlying theme here is that we are meant to believe that men and women really are the same. Is that what either wants? Why do women want to be the same as men? Doesn't that eliminate their uniqueness as female? I dunno. We move closer towards our sterile, androgynous world.

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @Adept, @res, @John Pepple

    Why do women want to be the same as men?

    This was pushed by feminists because their demands were rejected by traditionalists, who said that since men and women were different, different types of jobs were appropriate for each. By saying that we were the same, they could undercut that argument.

  64. Even if this BS were true, does anyone think “equally strong” wammen are going to do heavy lifting alongside men?

  65. @Anon
    Being transgender is a sneaky way of 'doping for a race' without taking a drug.

    That's why it's popular for men who really, really want to win something, anything, to compete against women.

    The next step, grown man who are so desperate to win anything that they'll compete in children's sports!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Alden

    There was a Seinfeld episode. Kramer was in an entry level karate class. Not an adult entry level class. But a kids class.

  66. When will the burden of having to dress like cisgendered women be lifted from T-women competing in female sports? If a person says (s)he’s a woman that should be all we need to know. Let (they, them, she, he) compete as whatever gender that their truth tells them they are. Making one appear to match the oppressive social construct of what makes a person appear as a woman is an unfair burden. Speedo’s and mustaches should not be discouraged or detoured.

  67. @Jack D
    @Arclight

    People are conservative about that which they know best.

    The girls in the classroom who are saying this are not athletes. Most of the girls in the class probably know its not true, but they are part of a purity spiral. Person A is an evil white dude who points out in class that there are physical differences in size and strength between men and women. The females in the class don't like Person A - he is some kind of MAGA guy and they disagree with him about everything, so they are not about to admit that he is right about anything. Person B - let's say that's the professor - an older woman, reasonably replies that differences in athletic performance are partly genetic and partly due to differences in training and societal expectations for men and for women. Person C is a SJW and she declaims, NO, it's all environmental. The rest of the females in the class are going to take Person C's side in order to signal that she is the most Good Person and white dude is the most Bad Person. It has nothing to do with the facts. If you are a Yankees fan, whether the Red Sox are an objectively better team or not is not going to get you to switch your allegience.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Reg Cæsar

    People are conservative about that which they know best.

    Not architects.

    The 29 Ugliest Skyscrapers in the World

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    Lego blocks, Termite mound, Cell phone mast.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    From a structural POV, all of these buildings are very conservative. They are basically boxes.

    A lot of Gehry's buildings are a lot less conservative because they do away with the box.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Most of the great artistic revolutionaries of the 20th century were well-schooled in their field. Picasso had great drawing chops. The Abstract Expressionists, not so much.

    Rimbaud had a solid classical education. Etc.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  68. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Altai

    The med school problem is actually being addressed in the UK, in that they are expanding the number of med school places by opening new med schools. They need to, because more than half of the medical undergrads are female. Up to 1970, there were only 10 medical schools in England.

    Another 7 were opened in the 90s, another 6 in the Noughties, another 9 in the Noughteens, and 3 so far this decade with at least another one about to open (Worcester).

    For our governments of any political stripe, the increased "bang-per-buck" from male doctors is one of those truths that dare not speak its name.

    Here's the chair of the very latest one, Professor of Medical Education Sandra Nicholson, an East London GP. You might think she'd miss the diversity, but she has plans.

    https://hwchamber.co.uk/distinguished-medical-educator-appointed-as-founding-dean-of-three-counties-medical-school/


    “I’m delighted to accept this position which I see as an amazing opportunity to increase the health provision to the Three Counties area enshrining the University of Worcester’s values of inclusivity, equality and widening participation,” said Professor Nicholson. “When the doors of the medical school open it is our aim that our students will promote the diversification of the medical workforce, work effectively with healthcare professionals, and ensure patient care of the highest standards.”
     

    Replies: @Anonymous

    ” ….. Diversification of the medical workforce …..”.

    Well, in the UK subcons are massively overrepresented in the ‘medical workforce’, and surely on a per capita basis the native British are acutely underrepresented.

    So it really was an unwise and unthinking comment by the professor.

  69. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    People are conservative about that which they know best.
     
    Not architects.


    The 29 Ugliest Skyscrapers in the World



    https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/5907a7d91732ef7d3c2b9ec5/master/w_800%2Cc_limit/Ugliest%2520Skyscrapers%2520in%2520the%2520World%252015.jpg

    https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/5aea06fb3a92533871d8da34/master/w_800%2Cc_limit/GettyImages-533773692.jpg

    https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/5907a7dfca0b76474b000f32/master/w_800%2Cc_limit/Ugliest%2520Skyscrapers%2520in%2520the%2520World%252017.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

    Lego blocks, Termite mound, Cell phone mast.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    Lego blocks, Termite mound, Cell phone mast.
     
    I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be an elephant.
  70. @Pixo
    @Henry's Cat

    American athletic pools have been using meters for length for many decades, but use feet for depth.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    Are there special pools for these races?

  71. “Editor’s Note: The headline and the text of this story have been updated to increase sensitivity.” — Made my day.

  72. @Henry's Cat
    The Daily Penn article got the yards vs metres measurement right. Why does the NCAA still use them? Are 25/50 yard pools standard in America?

    Replies: @Pixo, @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    There are two swim “seasons” and sets of records. Short course, which is swum in a 25-yard pool. High schools and colleges swim short course, as do the age-group kids in the Fall and Winter. Long course, which is swum in a 50-meter pool. that season starts in the late Spring and goes through the Summer. The Olympics is swum in a 50-meter pool.

    Most olympic-sized pool are 50 meters by 25 yards, so they can be quickly switched back and forth from short course to long course.

    There are a few 25-meter pools (short course meters) and there are records for that too, but people don’t really track those times.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    Thanks. But short course everywhere else is 25m, right?

  73. I’m torn on this one. I feel bad for the girls, but I can also guarantee the UPenn has gleefully, joyously, and enthusiastically supported trans “rights ” in every way, shape, and form. So now they get to lie in their bed.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    The problem is that the madness won’t stop at UPenn so it’s not just about “woke Ivy League progressives get their just desserts.” Before you know it you’ll see trannies breaking swim or track records at random high schools in Oklahoma or Utah, backed by civil rights organizations.

  74. @stillCARealist
    @Anon7

    I'm not going to look, but do tell me if there's pictures of this guy in a woman's swimsuit. What about his male equipment? Is that gone? There's no hiding that in racing suits.

    Anyway, if this dude wanted attention, he certainly nailed the best way to achieve it. Despite the fact that we know he's mentally ill and a total fraud.

    I doubt there will be a wave of men competing as women in sports, but in each sport, there will be one or two who come along and set all new records for women. Benchmarks for elite female sports will be meaningless.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Charlotte, @Tony massey

    Benchmarks for elite female sports will be meaningless

    Not to me they won’t. I never cared anything at all about women’s sports(i do admit to becoming a huge racing fan when danica started “competing” tho i surely never saw a lap) until x-men,lol ol iSteve does get a good one in here or there, came along.
    I can’t be bothered to pay attention if someone starts yakking about swimming but if its an x-man smashing women’s records I can’t wait to hear all about it.
    I’m a Tennessean. Wilma Rudolph was the greatest women’s athlete of all time full stop. Had she been alive to compete today she would have knocked x-men the fuck out. She beat polio ya know. Lets see a biles do that.

  75. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    Lego blocks, Termite mound, Cell phone mast.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Lego blocks, Termite mound, Cell phone mast.

    I’m pretty sure that’s supposed to be an elephant.

  76. @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    @Henry's Cat

    There are two swim "seasons" and sets of records. Short course, which is swum in a 25-yard pool. High schools and colleges swim short course, as do the age-group kids in the Fall and Winter. Long course, which is swum in a 50-meter pool. that season starts in the late Spring and goes through the Summer. The Olympics is swum in a 50-meter pool.

    Most olympic-sized pool are 50 meters by 25 yards, so they can be quickly switched back and forth from short course to long course.

    There are a few 25-meter pools (short course meters) and there are records for that too, but people don't really track those times.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    Thanks. But short course everywhere else is 25m, right?

  77. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    People are conservative about that which they know best.
     
    Not architects.


    The 29 Ugliest Skyscrapers in the World



    https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/5907a7d91732ef7d3c2b9ec5/master/w_800%2Cc_limit/Ugliest%2520Skyscrapers%2520in%2520the%2520World%252015.jpg

    https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/5aea06fb3a92533871d8da34/master/w_800%2Cc_limit/GettyImages-533773692.jpg

    https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/5907a7dfca0b76474b000f32/master/w_800%2Cc_limit/Ugliest%2520Skyscrapers%2520in%2520the%2520World%252017.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

    From a structural POV, all of these buildings are very conservative. They are basically boxes.

    A lot of Gehry’s buildings are a lot less conservative because they do away with the box.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    A lot of Gehry’s buildings are a lot less conservative because they do away with the box.
     
    They don't do away with the box, they just crumple it.


    https://consumerist.com/consumermediallc.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/fragile.png

  78. @res
    @Mike Tre


    “Benoid had to take so much to set new records that his eyeballs turned yellow and he got caught.”

    Is this a symptom of steroid use?
     
    It's caused by jaundice.
    https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/steroids-other-appearance-performance-enhancing-drugs-apeds/what-are-side-effects-anabolic-steroid-misuse

    Anabolic steroids can also produce jaundice, or yellowing of the skin or eyes, as a result of damage to the liver.74,75
     
    References at the link.

    Replies: @Dingo bay rum

    And we know at that time,ben was the only athlete using steroids !!

  79. The clear answer is to eliminate male and female categories in sports and let everyone compete as human beings.

  80. Is there any chance whatsoever that “Lia” will detrans to “Will” and say, “Just joking!”

  81. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    From a structural POV, all of these buildings are very conservative. They are basically boxes.

    A lot of Gehry's buildings are a lot less conservative because they do away with the box.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    A lot of Gehry’s buildings are a lot less conservative because they do away with the box.

    They don’t do away with the box, they just crumple it.

  82. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    People are conservative about that which they know best.
     
    Not architects.


    The 29 Ugliest Skyscrapers in the World



    https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/5907a7d91732ef7d3c2b9ec5/master/w_800%2Cc_limit/Ugliest%2520Skyscrapers%2520in%2520the%2520World%252015.jpg

    https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/5aea06fb3a92533871d8da34/master/w_800%2Cc_limit/GettyImages-533773692.jpg

    https://media.architecturaldigest.com/photos/5907a7dfca0b76474b000f32/master/w_800%2Cc_limit/Ugliest%2520Skyscrapers%2520in%2520the%2520World%252017.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

    Most of the great artistic revolutionaries of the 20th century were well-schooled in their field. Picasso had great drawing chops. The Abstract Expressionists, not so much.

    Rimbaud had a solid classical education. Etc.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    Most of the great artistic revolutionaries of the 20th century were well-schooled in their field.
     
    I've made this point about Schoenberg, whose composition texts I own. The question is, not can they make substantial art, but why don't they?

    Paul McCartney sang, Some people want to fill the world with silly love songs. And what's wrong with that? I'd like to know, 'cause here I go again...

    What's wrong with that, Sir Paul, is that any fool can write a silly love song, but the limited number who can write a great love song includes you, but you're not even trying.
  83. @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    I'm torn on this one. I feel bad for the girls, but I can also guarantee the UPenn has gleefully, joyously, and enthusiastically supported trans "rights " in every way, shape, and form. So now they get to lie in their bed.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    The problem is that the madness won’t stop at UPenn so it’s not just about “woke Ivy League progressives get their just desserts.” Before you know it you’ll see trannies breaking swim or track records at random high schools in Oklahoma or Utah, backed by civil rights organizations.

  84. @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Most of the great artistic revolutionaries of the 20th century were well-schooled in their field. Picasso had great drawing chops. The Abstract Expressionists, not so much.

    Rimbaud had a solid classical education. Etc.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Most of the great artistic revolutionaries of the 20th century were well-schooled in their field.

    I’ve made this point about Schoenberg, whose composition texts I own. The question is, not can they make substantial art, but why don’t they?

    Paul McCartney sang, Some people want to fill the world with silly love songs. And what’s wrong with that? I’d like to know, ’cause here I go again…

    What’s wrong with that, Sir Paul, is that any fool can write a silly love song, but the limited number who can write a great love song includes you, but you’re not even trying.

  85. The question is, not can they make substantial art, but why don’t they?

    – Novelty – in the West we need novelty.

    -Whatever the case, they weren’t “conservative about what they knew.”

    Paul should have listened more to his Aunt Gin, who asked him why he kept writing love songs. He responded with Paperback Writer.

  86. This is excellent. A lot of amateur YouTubers go on too long. This fellow hit it just right:

  87. @Hypnotoad666
    @Arclight

    Steve is wrong. Women are way stronger now. I see it all the time. On TV a 110 lb. girl will jump up in air and kick a 250 lb. man across the room. It's just a matter of timing and technique to suspend the normal bigoted rule that F= MA.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Bill Jones

    It was male bigots like Isaac Newton who came up with the “law” that falsely claims that the equal and opposite reaction of the kick would send the wee girlie just over twice as far back as the man went.

    Congress should get their shit together and start annulling these laws.

  88. Women athletes and anabolic steroid use … so why hasn’t anyone already linked to one of the best Strangers with Candy episode ever:

    Too bad Stephen Colbert didn’t end it there on a high note. What a difference 22 years make.

  89. @obwandiyag
    Can women on steroids best men on steroids? That is the real question here. Because all sportspersons are on steroids. And it's all fixed.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    For the power events, your question is already answered. Female powerlifters have been juicing for years and their records are way short of the males.

    The women’s heavyweight record for the squat is only 40 lbs. more than MY personal best! My best bench press is 62 lbs. more than the women’s record. And I’m just a weekend warrior, not a competitive powerlifter!

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