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From Politico:

Schumer slams Cotton in face-to-face with Trump

Cotton said Schumer did not want him in the room for the Dreamers’ talks ‘probably because I would get a good deal, and he wants a bad deal.’

By JOHN BRESNAHAN and HEATHER CAYGLE 01/18/2018 07:45 PM EST

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) told President Donald Trump this week that there will be no deal on Dreamers if hard-line conservative GOP Sen. Tom Cotton is involved, according to several congressional sources.

Schumer also told the president that he was not being well-served by White House staffers during negotiations over the fate of 700,000 young immigrants who face potential deportation if no deal is reached to protect them.

… Cotton — and his role in the hugely controversial Jan. 11 Oval Office meeting over a potential Senate bipartisan compromise on Dreamers — has become a focus of particular Senate Democrats’ ire. There seems to be something about the Arkansas Republican that especially angers them, and they’re not shy about letting Trump know.

In a brief interview, Cotton said Schumer did not want him in the room for the Dreamers’ talks, “probably because I would get a good deal, and he wants a bad deal.”

The entire Democratic/Graham strategy appears to be to get Trump alone and BS him into a deal that would ruin him.

After all, look how much good trusting Schumer did for the career of President Marco Rubio:

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  1. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Schumer also told the president that he was not being well-served by White House staffers during negotiations over the fate of 700,000 young immigrants who face potential deportation if no deal is reached to protect them.

    Boy. Sure is nice of Schumer to look out for his mortal enemy like that. What a mensch!

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @anon

    I don’t have the quote and reference handy, but Schumer actually said a few years ago that he was worried about the possibility there may never be another Republican President unless the Republicans went full open borders.
    What a pal.

    Replies: @Dr. X

  2. He already did that today (well, not alone, John Kelly was there too). Nothing bad yet…

  3. It takes a particularly shameless audacity to try to dictate to the other side of a negotiation who they can have participate. I think Chuck Schumer’s tribe has a word for that…

  4. Chucky cons a lot of folks, but Trump’s run into New York cons like Chucky his whole adult life. Chucky’s a carny whose tricks are known.

    • Agree: Thomas, peterike
    • Replies: @24AheadDotCom
    @whorefinder

    Ironic, since Trump's a major variety of NYC con. His fans thought he'd deport all illegal aliens, yet here he is colluding with Pelosi, Schumer, Flake, Menendez, Luis Gutierrez, and Graham to push the same amnesty Soros has spent millions promoting. And, his fans cheer him on as he does the exact same thing Hillary would be doing.

    Cotton and Perdue are big amnesty fans too (see their Hill OpEd). They just want to sell out the USA for a price they think is high. As with the 1986 amnesty, we'll get all of the amnesty and little of the enforcement. And, all those who've enabled Trump will have helped.

    At least if HRC had been elected, Trump fans would oppose her pushing the same amnesty plan Trump's pushing.

  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    White House “staffers”–I wonder who that could be… If Stephen Miller had worked for Sessions in Alabama instead of D.C. we’d probably hear a tale of Trump’s “reliance on white Southerners/Southern Californians”

    On another note the butthurt behavior on Durbin’s part, running to complain to the principal, doesn’t seem wholly contrived– he appears to have genuinely believed the public was with him on DACA romance. The Dem leadership needs to get out more

  6. They hate Cotton because he’s articulate and forceful about what he wants and doesn’t care to hear bullshit emotional arguments involving Ellis Island. As far as a face for his preferred policies go he runs circles around Lindsey Graham.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Berty

    What is the iSteve commentariat's opinion of Cotton?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  7. Senator Tom Cotton should be in every immigration conference. Trump is not as sharp these days as Chuckie. Trump is under constant political-media bombardment which can make you doubt yourself. Trump is under stress, thus the weight gain. The leftists would love to induce a stroke or heart attack that would make him leave The Presidency.

  8. The lefty twitterverse has been gossiping that Cotton is a closeted homosexual for over a year…I figure if he is he is better closeted than Grahamnesty. You’d think if it were true now would be the moment to pull that trigger and out him.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @The Man From K Street

    He’s married with a young child. Not a barrier of course to liking men but he has on some level an attraction to women. The Left will smear anyone they view as a threat.

    , @nebulafox
    @The Man From K Street

    Plenty of closeted bisexuals and homosexuals in the GOP upper echelons-the presence of male prostitutes at RNC conventions makes that pretty clear-but there's zero evidence that Cotton is one of them. Of course, it also fails to point out the fact that Cotton is persona non grata among Rove's crowd.

  9. “The entire Democratic/Graham strategy appears to be to get Trump alone and BS him into a deal that would ruin him.”

    That pretty much sums it up.

    Surely the God Emperor won’t fall for it.

  10. Indeed, it’s about demoralizing voters on the opposite side.

    With Trump’s election, probably some middle state voters who almost never vote provided the margin of victory. Now, Democrats have to show them by all means that Trump’s promises are nothing but “pie in the sky”, completely unrealistic, and it’s all politics as usual. Then they’ll go back to tuning out politics and politicians, since it makes no difference anyway, and won’t turn out to vote next time.

    So they cannot allow Trump to claim that he has kept his promises, especially on immigration reform, since this seems to be Trump’s characteristic issue.

    • Agree: 27 year old
  11. istevefan says:

    After all, look how much good trusting Schumer did for the career of President Marco Rubio:

    I wasn’t around in 1965, but I wonder if Teddy Kennedy was the Marco Rubio of that age. When people mention the 1965 immigration act they all call it ‘Teddy’s law’. I suppose if the gang of 8 had passed, we’d be calling it ‘Marco’s law’. But we, at least those of us on Sailer’s blog, would know that Mr Tarkio College was not the brains behind it. Mr. 1600-on-his-SAT was.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @istevefan

    Ted got kicked out of university for cheating on a *Spanish* test. I would not be surprised if the only time he has had an idea of his own was drunkenly driving a staffer home.

    Replies: @whorefinder

  12. Am I the only one who thinks the phrase “slams Cotton” sounds a little inappropriate?

  13. I just want to add that it’s such a breath of fresh air to be able to have a debate about immigration without the “beloved hero” John McCain flooding the airwaves with speeches about how anyone who opposes him is an anti-American asshole who hates freedom. It’s amazing how much his (imminent) death has changed discourse for the better.

  14. Schumer: Trust Me, Mr. President, and Ignore Your Allies and Staff

    “Trust me,” said the scorpion to the frog.

  15. @istevefan

    After all, look how much good trusting Schumer did for the career of President Marco Rubio:
     
    I wasn't around in 1965, but I wonder if Teddy Kennedy was the Marco Rubio of that age. When people mention the 1965 immigration act they all call it 'Teddy's law'. I suppose if the gang of 8 had passed, we'd be calling it 'Marco's law'. But we, at least those of us on Sailer's blog, would know that Mr Tarkio College was not the brains behind it. Mr. 1600-on-his-SAT was.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Ted got kicked out of university for cheating on a *Spanish* test. I would not be surprised if the only time he has had an idea of his own was drunkenly driving a staffer home.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @J.Ross

    Teddy was destined to be the Fredo of the Kennedy clan until all his brothers died, then he suddenly was given gravitas and cover by the press because Camelot could never last long enough for them.

    Imagine The Godfather if Fredo had been in charge: the Corelones ally with Hyman Roth, who insists on taking more and more control and putting his own people in place until the family is so destitute they are left doing the one job they have left: importing olive oil like Vito used to do.

    P.S. One of those great "what ifs" is "what if Joe Kennedy Jr. had lived through the war". He was clearly the family favorite to be president, not John.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  16. @anon

    Schumer also told the president that he was not being well-served by White House staffers during negotiations over the fate of 700,000 young immigrants who face potential deportation if no deal is reached to protect them.
     
    Boy. Sure is nice of Schumer to look out for his mortal enemy like that. What a mensch!

    Replies: @Alfa158

    I don’t have the quote and reference handy, but Schumer actually said a few years ago that he was worried about the possibility there may never be another Republican President unless the Republicans went full open borders.
    What a pal.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    @Alfa158


    Schumer actually said a few years ago that he was worried about the possibility there may never be another Republican President unless the Republicans went full open borders.

     

    There's never going to be another Republican president if the Republicans DO go "full open borders"...
  17. @J.Ross
    @istevefan

    Ted got kicked out of university for cheating on a *Spanish* test. I would not be surprised if the only time he has had an idea of his own was drunkenly driving a staffer home.

    Replies: @whorefinder

    Teddy was destined to be the Fredo of the Kennedy clan until all his brothers died, then he suddenly was given gravitas and cover by the press because Camelot could never last long enough for them.

    Imagine The Godfather if Fredo had been in charge: the Corelones ally with Hyman Roth, who insists on taking more and more control and putting his own people in place until the family is so destitute they are left doing the one job they have left: importing olive oil like Vito used to do.

    P.S. One of those great “what ifs” is “what if Joe Kennedy Jr. had lived through the war”. He was clearly the family favorite to be president, not John.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @whorefinder


    Teddy was destined to be the Fredo of the Kennedy clan until all his brothers died,.....
     
    (with backbay Boston accent) I'm aaahhhh............I'm aaahhhh, not stupid! I'm smaaart!
  18. @Alfa158
    @anon

    I don’t have the quote and reference handy, but Schumer actually said a few years ago that he was worried about the possibility there may never be another Republican President unless the Republicans went full open borders.
    What a pal.

    Replies: @Dr. X

    Schumer actually said a few years ago that he was worried about the possibility there may never be another Republican President unless the Republicans went full open borders.

    There’s never going to be another Republican president if the Republicans DO go “full open borders”…

  19. If you cobbled together all the worst “anti-Semitic” tropes and put them into a human being, you’d get Chuck Schumer.

    Hey wait a minute…

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @anon
    @peterike

    If anyone hasn't seen the video of Schumer at the Waco hearings, I can't recommend it highly enough. It's like watching your average black pundit talking about Trayvon.

    Here is just a taste:

    https://youtu.be/jaX8CiweU-E

  20. Steve,

    You have outdone yourself. This is “spit out the milk” hilarious. The Onion should be begging you for material at this point. Not to mention South Park.

    The Iago-like (or more visually apt Fagin-like) image of Schumer is classic.

    I don’t have any reason to believe it. But I want to hope that Trump’s “shithole” comment was intended for the low IQ Graham (lowest SAT in the Senate) or possibly Durbin (seems dim, but have now scientific evidence) to “leak” to the media to set off the firestorm that has happened.

    Could Stephen Miller be behind this strategem? I hope so. We need allies close to the president, and Miller seems the most obvious one that o have discerned.

  21. Chuck Schumer to Lindsay Graham: “I hope the President can get us a good deal tonight.”

    Tom Cotton: “I’m sure he will.”

    • LOL: Thomas
  22. The last election was decided by less than 80,000 votes. There are about 9x as many people waiting for amnesty under DACA. If their parents and siblings get amnesty, too – “WE CAN’T BREAK APART DA FAMILIES!!!,” the party that doesn’t believe in the importance of families will say – then the amnesty could easily cover 2 million people.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Wilkey

    Maybe that will be part of the amnesty, the DACA kids will have to move to Detroit and register to vote.

  23. Now, don’t go slamming Rubio. Remember the pink foam that showed up in Florida after the 2016 election?

    https://www.google.com/search?q=pink+foam+florida+beaches&client=ubuntu&hs=cJR&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwihncifxOXYAhWPS98KHWs1DbkQ_AUICigB&biw=1860&bih=937#imgrc=PGrOsRGezaIv5M:

    It takes a real Machiavellian Ubermensch to go out and enjoy himself after Election Night rather than staying home with the family.

    PS:

    Mitch McConnell reminds me, for some strange reason, of that loser salesman that loses customers to Geico in their commercials. That sort of constipated aura.

  24. Kurt Schlichter has a nice take on it.

    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/01/18/please-dont-shut-down-the-government-democrats-because-that-would-be-awful-not-n2435670

    How sad are Trump’s supporters going to be if the deal is, “We don’t hand over citizenship to a bunch of people who shouldn’t be here and everyone they’re related to down to their 29th cousin three times removed, and in return, we make the government stop spending money.”

    There is literally no Trump voter who will say, “Why, that’s a terrible deal! If that happens, we don’t give amnesty and we don’t spend money!”

    Not one.

    To the extent that a shut-down hurts some of the government’s few useful employees, like the members of our military, I eagerly look forward to Chuck n’ Nancy and the other circus freaks who make up the Democrat Capitol Crew explaining to the American people why they chose to make our men and women in uniform suffer so the Democrats can import some new ballot stuffers. “Support the troops unless we need to screw them over so we can ship in foreigners to vote for future Maryland Senator Chelsea Manning” seems like a flawed message, which is why I heartily encourage the Dems to try it out.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  25. • Replies: @nebulafox
    @wren

    I'm not worried about Schumer as much as many Unzers here for precisely this reason-they *know* each other. (Both men come from the Cold War era NYC school of hard knocks and brash talk, and know not to take personal insults as a signal of an unwillingness to deal. Same dynamic as Ginsberg and Scalia.) This doesn't mean that Schumer wishes Trump good or vice versa, but I think it is safe to say that they mutually know each other's agenda and aren't under any illusions that they have opposite goals here.

    What I am worried about is the fact that a) Trump, as I mentioned in a post earlier, is looking for an easy way out and will likely only crack down on the DREAMers if the Democrats provoke him by attacks not on the rational cons and merits of deportation, but going the emotional, moralistic route and assaulting his a priori authority as President (as their media allies are stupidly doing right now) to decide who is and isn't allowed into the US, and b) McConnell, Graham, Ryan, and the other GOP Bonzen taking marching orders from the donor class, whom Trump has proven susceptible to over the interests of his voters repeatedly last year. For a), the Democrats are assuming that the GOP won't really go through with deportation-that underpins their whole political strategy. It's a radically wrong judgement for the GOP as a whole-they don't care about the DREAMers, they see this as a concession in exchange for stricter enforcement with other illegals-but for Trump specifically, his offhand comments through the last couple of years show a large amount of ambiguity in his feelings toward them. For b), that explicitly surrendering to the wishes of the Democrats and their increasingly obnoxious and visibly irrational mass immigration advocates, based on the wishes of plutocrats, will pretty much ensure a catastrophic result in 2018 seems immaterial to them-they value ideology far more than winning.

    Replies: @Vinteuil

  26. @peterike
    If you cobbled together all the worst "anti-Semitic" tropes and put them into a human being, you'd get Chuck Schumer.

    Hey wait a minute...

    Replies: @anon

    If anyone hasn’t seen the video of Schumer at the Waco hearings, I can’t recommend it highly enough. It’s like watching your average black pundit talking about Trayvon.

    Here is just a taste:

  27. In answer to the question of why Schumer wouldn’t want Cotton present, perhaps William F. Buckley’s old line is apropos: “Why does baloney reject the grinder?”

  28. @whorefinder
    Chucky cons a lot of folks, but Trump's run into New York cons like Chucky his whole adult life. Chucky's a carny whose tricks are known.

    Replies: @24AheadDotCom

    Ironic, since Trump’s a major variety of NYC con. His fans thought he’d deport all illegal aliens, yet here he is colluding with Pelosi, Schumer, Flake, Menendez, Luis Gutierrez, and Graham to push the same amnesty Soros has spent millions promoting. And, his fans cheer him on as he does the exact same thing Hillary would be doing.

    Cotton and Perdue are big amnesty fans too (see their Hill OpEd). They just want to sell out the USA for a price they think is high. As with the 1986 amnesty, we’ll get all of the amnesty and little of the enforcement. And, all those who’ve enabled Trump will have helped.

    At least if HRC had been elected, Trump fans would oppose her pushing the same amnesty plan Trump’s pushing.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Troll: IHTG, whorefinder
  29. Arkansan here. Arkansas is Trump country and we love our boy Tom Cotton. Don’t say the Scots-Irish never did anything for you ungrateful Yanks!

    • Replies: @24AheadDotCom
    @Jean Ralphio

    Cotton (and the other "tough" people Trump is listening to, Perdue and Meadows) support amnesty. See their The Hill OpEd. (Meadows also supported an older Rand Paul amnesty.)

    Trump has definitely shifted the "Overton window" for those who were already shaky on patriotism. It used to be "no amnesty ever under any name and under any circumstances". Now Trump fans are as eager to sell out the USA as Trump is, they just want to get good promises (which, as in 1986, won't ever appear).

    Trump has unwittingly perfected GWB's scam: talk tough on the border to get amnesty.

    (In case any Trump fans are patriotic enough to oppose amnesty no matter if it has Hillary's name on it or Trump's, then make enabling amnesty a CLM for Trump's top supporters and proxies. Let them know that it'll be the end of their careers if they don't sincerely oppose Trump's amnesty.)

  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t get this stuff about offering sanctuary to illegals and comparing it with hiding Jews from Nazis.

    The proper analogy is hiding Nazis from justice. After all, Nazis invaded other nations. When they lost the war, they went into hiding.

    These illegals invaded other nations.
    They are not like Polish patriots hiding(from invasive Nazis) in their own nations like in underground sewer tunnels.

    The illegals are closer to Nazi criminals hiding in other nations from justice.

    So, sanctuary cities are more like Argentina that offered protection to lots of Nazi criminals.

    Now, it’s a stretch to compare illegals with Nazi killers, but it’s a bigger stretch to compare them with Jews hiding from Nazis.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    The definition of "war criminal" is "leader on the side that lost".


    Had the Allies lost, most of the USAAF and RAF staffs would have been shot for war crimes , as Lemay correctly alluded to.

    , @Neuday
    @Anonymous

    Jews were immigrating illegally into German and Poland, and the Nazis wanted to deport them back to their home countries? No other nation has ever controlled immigration except Nazi Germany and the US?

  31. @whorefinder
    @J.Ross

    Teddy was destined to be the Fredo of the Kennedy clan until all his brothers died, then he suddenly was given gravitas and cover by the press because Camelot could never last long enough for them.

    Imagine The Godfather if Fredo had been in charge: the Corelones ally with Hyman Roth, who insists on taking more and more control and putting his own people in place until the family is so destitute they are left doing the one job they have left: importing olive oil like Vito used to do.

    P.S. One of those great "what ifs" is "what if Joe Kennedy Jr. had lived through the war". He was clearly the family favorite to be president, not John.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Teddy was destined to be the Fredo of the Kennedy clan until all his brothers died,…..

    (with backbay Boston accent) I’m aaahhhh…………I’m aaahhhh, not stupid! I’m smaaart!

  32. Somebody leaked video of Schumer in that meeting with Trump:

  33. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    By a 20-point margin, more Americans blame President Trump and Republicans rather than Democrats for a potential government shutdown, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

    … The Post-ABC poll finds Democrats are more united in blaming Republicans for the situation than vice versa. A 78 percent majority of Democrats say Trump and congressional Republicans are mainly responsible for the potential government shutdown, while a smaller 66 percent of Republicans blame Democrats in Congress. One in seven Republicans, 14 percent, say Trump and Republicans are to blame.

    Helps to have the media.

    • Replies: @The Man From K Street
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, those government shut downs in 2013 or so just killed the GOP in the 2014 midterms...

  34. @Berty
    They hate Cotton because he's articulate and forceful about what he wants and doesn't care to hear bullshit emotional arguments involving Ellis Island. As far as a face for his preferred policies go he runs circles around Lindsey Graham.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    What is the iSteve commentariat’s opinion of Cotton?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous


    What is the iSteve commentariat’s opinion of Cotton?
     
    I only speak for myself. He seems to be somewhat better than average on Invite the World, but he's still crappy on Invade the World.

    Replies: @Anon87

  35. @Wilkey
    The last election was decided by less than 80,000 votes. There are about 9x as many people waiting for amnesty under DACA. If their parents and siblings get amnesty, too - "WE CAN'T BREAK APART DA FAMILIES!!!," the party that doesn't believe in the importance of families will say - then the amnesty could easily cover 2 million people.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    Maybe that will be part of the amnesty, the DACA kids will have to move to Detroit and register to vote.

  36. To give an update, the Continuing Resolution passed the House of Representatives but not the Senate, so the government “shut down” (I think these things are kabuki) for the weekend.

    I agree with the commentators here that the optics are bad for the Donks and am surprised they went through with this. I was also surprised that these weren’t straight party line votes once the Donks decided to go through with it.

    Its always interesting to see who crosses the floor on near party line votes. Six Democratic Congressmen voted against the CR. Carbajal, Costa, Cuellar, Gonzalez, Gottheimer, and Peterson. The first four are either of Mexican descent (one was born in Mexico) and/ or represent districts with large numbers of Mexicans, so I don’t know what the deal is there. Peterson represents a deep red district and often votes with the GOP, I have no clue why Gottfried voted the way he did.

    Eleven Republican Congressmen voted against the PR and with the Democrats, Amash, Biggs, Curbelo, Gaetz, Gosar, Hollingsworth, Jones, Massie, Mooney, Ros-Lehtinen, and Wittman. Out of these, Amash (libertarian) and Jones (paleocon) vote against the GOP leadership quite often. Curbelo and Ros-Lehtinen are Cuban-Americans representing heavily Cuban districts in South Florida, that Hilary Clinton carried fairly comfortably. I don’t know about the others, but based on the locations of their districts, their objections seem to have been from the right.

    So several Mexican-American Democrats voted for the resolution and with the GOP, and two Cuban-American Republicans voted against the resolution. There is probably a reason for that.

    I haven’t found the Senate roll call voted. On the Senate website, in what seems to have been the vote tally (the resolution is described completely differently from what you would expect), five Democrats, Donelly, Jones, Heitkamp, Manchin, and McCaskill, voted for it. All are from states that Trump carried by large margins. Four Republican “no” votes, Graham, Flake, Paul, and McConnell. Graham and Flake you would expect, Paul for reasons probably similar to Amash, and with McConnell it was a procedural move in order to be able to have a re-vote on Monday. McCain didn’t vote, for obvious reasons.

    I would expect more negotiations and the continuing resolution passing next week.

    • Replies: @Berty
    @eD

    Salud Carbajal and Jim Costa are not Hispanic, but they represent districts that are sometimes competitive and had somewhat competitive races last cycle (moreso with Carbajal).

    Vicente Gonzalez and Henry Cuellar are fairly conservative at heart and vote with the GOP more often then their districts probably like.

    Josh Gottheimer represents a Republican district and won a fluke victory over unpopular NeverTrump asshole Scott Garrett.

    You're correct about Peterson.

    I don't mean to be pedantic but I just felt I ought to straighten things out.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  37. @Anonymous
    @Berty

    What is the iSteve commentariat's opinion of Cotton?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    What is the iSteve commentariat’s opinion of Cotton?

    I only speak for myself. He seems to be somewhat better than average on Invite the World, but he’s still crappy on Invade the World.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Anon87
    @Mr. Anon

    Agree. Keep Cotton focused on domestic issues, unless you feel like more pointless foreign entanglements.

  38. @Anonymous
    I don't get this stuff about offering sanctuary to illegals and comparing it with hiding Jews from Nazis.

    The proper analogy is hiding Nazis from justice. After all, Nazis invaded other nations. When they lost the war, they went into hiding.

    These illegals invaded other nations.
    They are not like Polish patriots hiding(from invasive Nazis) in their own nations like in underground sewer tunnels.

    The illegals are closer to Nazi criminals hiding in other nations from justice.

    So, sanctuary cities are more like Argentina that offered protection to lots of Nazi criminals.

    Now, it's a stretch to compare illegals with Nazi killers, but it's a bigger stretch to compare them with Jews hiding from Nazis.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Neuday

    The definition of “war criminal” is “leader on the side that lost”.

    Had the Allies lost, most of the USAAF and RAF staffs would have been shot for war crimes , as Lemay correctly alluded to.

    • Agree: Alden
  39. @eD
    To give an update, the Continuing Resolution passed the House of Representatives but not the Senate, so the government "shut down" (I think these things are kabuki) for the weekend.

    I agree with the commentators here that the optics are bad for the Donks and am surprised they went through with this. I was also surprised that these weren't straight party line votes once the Donks decided to go through with it.

    Its always interesting to see who crosses the floor on near party line votes. Six Democratic Congressmen voted against the CR. Carbajal, Costa, Cuellar, Gonzalez, Gottheimer, and Peterson. The first four are either of Mexican descent (one was born in Mexico) and/ or represent districts with large numbers of Mexicans, so I don't know what the deal is there. Peterson represents a deep red district and often votes with the GOP, I have no clue why Gottfried voted the way he did.

    Eleven Republican Congressmen voted against the PR and with the Democrats, Amash, Biggs, Curbelo, Gaetz, Gosar, Hollingsworth, Jones, Massie, Mooney, Ros-Lehtinen, and Wittman. Out of these, Amash (libertarian) and Jones (paleocon) vote against the GOP leadership quite often. Curbelo and Ros-Lehtinen are Cuban-Americans representing heavily Cuban districts in South Florida, that Hilary Clinton carried fairly comfortably. I don't know about the others, but based on the locations of their districts, their objections seem to have been from the right.

    So several Mexican-American Democrats voted for the resolution and with the GOP, and two Cuban-American Republicans voted against the resolution. There is probably a reason for that.

    I haven't found the Senate roll call voted. On the Senate website, in what seems to have been the vote tally (the resolution is described completely differently from what you would expect), five Democrats, Donelly, Jones, Heitkamp, Manchin, and McCaskill, voted for it. All are from states that Trump carried by large margins. Four Republican "no" votes, Graham, Flake, Paul, and McConnell. Graham and Flake you would expect, Paul for reasons probably similar to Amash, and with McConnell it was a procedural move in order to be able to have a re-vote on Monday. McCain didn't vote, for obvious reasons.

    I would expect more negotiations and the continuing resolution passing next week.

    Replies: @Berty

    Salud Carbajal and Jim Costa are not Hispanic, but they represent districts that are sometimes competitive and had somewhat competitive races last cycle (moreso with Carbajal).

    Vicente Gonzalez and Henry Cuellar are fairly conservative at heart and vote with the GOP more often then their districts probably like.

    Josh Gottheimer represents a Republican district and won a fluke victory over unpopular NeverTrump asshole Scott Garrett.

    You’re correct about Peterson.

    I don’t mean to be pedantic but I just felt I ought to straighten things out.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Berty

    Carbajal was born in Mexico.

  40. @Anonymous

    By a 20-point margin, more Americans blame President Trump and Republicans rather than Democrats for a potential government shutdown, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

    ... The Post-ABC poll finds Democrats are more united in blaming Republicans for the situation than vice versa. A 78 percent majority of Democrats say Trump and congressional Republicans are mainly responsible for the potential government shutdown, while a smaller 66 percent of Republicans blame Democrats in Congress. One in seven Republicans, 14 percent, say Trump and Republicans are to blame.
     

    Helps to have the media.

    Replies: @The Man From K Street

    Yeah, those government shut downs in 2013 or so just killed the GOP in the 2014 midterms…

  41. @The Man From K Street
    The lefty twitterverse has been gossiping that Cotton is a closeted homosexual for over a year...I figure if he is he is better closeted than Grahamnesty. You'd think if it were true now would be the moment to pull that trigger and out him.

    Replies: @Ed, @nebulafox

    He’s married with a young child. Not a barrier of course to liking men but he has on some level an attraction to women. The Left will smear anyone they view as a threat.

  42. There shouldn’t be a deal over DACA kiddies, full stop. Trump really needs to develop a pair that actually match those he implies he has.

    He could start by dangling a pardon in front of Anthony Weiner, Schmucky Schumer’s former butt-boy, in exchange for spilling the dirt on his old mentor.

  43. I wonder what DJT got on his SAT’s. I’m thinking the 1500s , just shy of the Shyster Lizard’s 1600.

  44. Cotton’s getting pretty uppity for a flyover goy.

    The prestige of the SWPLage cannot readily suffer such brazen insolence to go long unpunished!

  45. Cotton finished Harvard in three years. Who does that? What an apple polisher!

    Then after Law School, he enlisted in the Army after 9/11. The JAGs wanted him, but he turned them down to join the infantry.

    No wonder Lindsey is so chapped.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @Desiderius

    Or is Lindthey aroused?

  46. Just changed my voter registration to Republican and sent all my Congressional representatives an email explaining why. Shutting down the government (give or take most of it) on behalf of illegals is going way too far.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @RudyM

    Absolutely, Rudy. Deport all the illegals, THEN shut down the government.*

    * OK, just 95 % of the Feral Government.

    , @Twodees Partain
    @RudyM

    Shutting down the government is the only good thing the dims have done in my lifetime. If only they were serious about it and it didn't get jump-started again.

  47. @wren
    Trump is familiar with Schumer.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/925684982307348480

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I’m not worried about Schumer as much as many Unzers here for precisely this reason-they *know* each other. (Both men come from the Cold War era NYC school of hard knocks and brash talk, and know not to take personal insults as a signal of an unwillingness to deal. Same dynamic as Ginsberg and Scalia.) This doesn’t mean that Schumer wishes Trump good or vice versa, but I think it is safe to say that they mutually know each other’s agenda and aren’t under any illusions that they have opposite goals here.

    What I am worried about is the fact that a) Trump, as I mentioned in a post earlier, is looking for an easy way out and will likely only crack down on the DREAMers if the Democrats provoke him by attacks not on the rational cons and merits of deportation, but going the emotional, moralistic route and assaulting his a priori authority as President (as their media allies are stupidly doing right now) to decide who is and isn’t allowed into the US, and b) McConnell, Graham, Ryan, and the other GOP Bonzen taking marching orders from the donor class, whom Trump has proven susceptible to over the interests of his voters repeatedly last year. For a), the Democrats are assuming that the GOP won’t really go through with deportation-that underpins their whole political strategy. It’s a radically wrong judgement for the GOP as a whole-they don’t care about the DREAMers, they see this as a concession in exchange for stricter enforcement with other illegals-but for Trump specifically, his offhand comments through the last couple of years show a large amount of ambiguity in his feelings toward them. For b), that explicitly surrendering to the wishes of the Democrats and their increasingly obnoxious and visibly irrational mass immigration advocates, based on the wishes of plutocrats, will pretty much ensure a catastrophic result in 2018 seems immaterial to them-they value ideology far more than winning.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    @nebulafox

    would you mind rewriting this post in English?

  48. @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous


    What is the iSteve commentariat’s opinion of Cotton?
     
    I only speak for myself. He seems to be somewhat better than average on Invite the World, but he's still crappy on Invade the World.

    Replies: @Anon87

    Agree. Keep Cotton focused on domestic issues, unless you feel like more pointless foreign entanglements.

  49. @The Man From K Street
    The lefty twitterverse has been gossiping that Cotton is a closeted homosexual for over a year...I figure if he is he is better closeted than Grahamnesty. You'd think if it were true now would be the moment to pull that trigger and out him.

    Replies: @Ed, @nebulafox

    Plenty of closeted bisexuals and homosexuals in the GOP upper echelons-the presence of male prostitutes at RNC conventions makes that pretty clear-but there’s zero evidence that Cotton is one of them. Of course, it also fails to point out the fact that Cotton is persona non grata among Rove’s crowd.

  50. @RudyM
    Just changed my voter registration to Republican and sent all my Congressional representatives an email explaining why. Shutting down the government (give or take most of it) on behalf of illegals is going way too far.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Twodees Partain

    Absolutely, Rudy. Deport all the illegals, THEN shut down the government.*

    * OK, just 95 % of the Feral Government.

  51. @nebulafox
    @wren

    I'm not worried about Schumer as much as many Unzers here for precisely this reason-they *know* each other. (Both men come from the Cold War era NYC school of hard knocks and brash talk, and know not to take personal insults as a signal of an unwillingness to deal. Same dynamic as Ginsberg and Scalia.) This doesn't mean that Schumer wishes Trump good or vice versa, but I think it is safe to say that they mutually know each other's agenda and aren't under any illusions that they have opposite goals here.

    What I am worried about is the fact that a) Trump, as I mentioned in a post earlier, is looking for an easy way out and will likely only crack down on the DREAMers if the Democrats provoke him by attacks not on the rational cons and merits of deportation, but going the emotional, moralistic route and assaulting his a priori authority as President (as their media allies are stupidly doing right now) to decide who is and isn't allowed into the US, and b) McConnell, Graham, Ryan, and the other GOP Bonzen taking marching orders from the donor class, whom Trump has proven susceptible to over the interests of his voters repeatedly last year. For a), the Democrats are assuming that the GOP won't really go through with deportation-that underpins their whole political strategy. It's a radically wrong judgement for the GOP as a whole-they don't care about the DREAMers, they see this as a concession in exchange for stricter enforcement with other illegals-but for Trump specifically, his offhand comments through the last couple of years show a large amount of ambiguity in his feelings toward them. For b), that explicitly surrendering to the wishes of the Democrats and their increasingly obnoxious and visibly irrational mass immigration advocates, based on the wishes of plutocrats, will pretty much ensure a catastrophic result in 2018 seems immaterial to them-they value ideology far more than winning.

    Replies: @Vinteuil

    would you mind rewriting this post in English?

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
  52. @Anonymous
    I don't get this stuff about offering sanctuary to illegals and comparing it with hiding Jews from Nazis.

    The proper analogy is hiding Nazis from justice. After all, Nazis invaded other nations. When they lost the war, they went into hiding.

    These illegals invaded other nations.
    They are not like Polish patriots hiding(from invasive Nazis) in their own nations like in underground sewer tunnels.

    The illegals are closer to Nazi criminals hiding in other nations from justice.

    So, sanctuary cities are more like Argentina that offered protection to lots of Nazi criminals.

    Now, it's a stretch to compare illegals with Nazi killers, but it's a bigger stretch to compare them with Jews hiding from Nazis.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Neuday

    Jews were immigrating illegally into German and Poland, and the Nazis wanted to deport them back to their home countries? No other nation has ever controlled immigration except Nazi Germany and the US?

  53. @Jean Ralphio
    Arkansan here. Arkansas is Trump country and we love our boy Tom Cotton. Don't say the Scots-Irish never did anything for you ungrateful Yanks!

    Replies: @24AheadDotCom

    Cotton (and the other “tough” people Trump is listening to, Perdue and Meadows) support amnesty. See their The Hill OpEd. (Meadows also supported an older Rand Paul amnesty.)

    Trump has definitely shifted the “Overton window” for those who were already shaky on patriotism. It used to be “no amnesty ever under any name and under any circumstances”. Now Trump fans are as eager to sell out the USA as Trump is, they just want to get good promises (which, as in 1986, won’t ever appear).

    Trump has unwittingly perfected GWB’s scam: talk tough on the border to get amnesty.

    (In case any Trump fans are patriotic enough to oppose amnesty no matter if it has Hillary’s name on it or Trump’s, then make enabling amnesty a CLM for Trump’s top supporters and proxies. Let them know that it’ll be the end of their careers if they don’t sincerely oppose Trump’s amnesty.)

  54. @RudyM
    Just changed my voter registration to Republican and sent all my Congressional representatives an email explaining why. Shutting down the government (give or take most of it) on behalf of illegals is going way too far.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Twodees Partain

    Shutting down the government is the only good thing the dims have done in my lifetime. If only they were serious about it and it didn’t get jump-started again.

  55. @Berty
    @eD

    Salud Carbajal and Jim Costa are not Hispanic, but they represent districts that are sometimes competitive and had somewhat competitive races last cycle (moreso with Carbajal).

    Vicente Gonzalez and Henry Cuellar are fairly conservative at heart and vote with the GOP more often then their districts probably like.

    Josh Gottheimer represents a Republican district and won a fluke victory over unpopular NeverTrump asshole Scott Garrett.

    You're correct about Peterson.

    I don't mean to be pedantic but I just felt I ought to straighten things out.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Carbajal was born in Mexico.

  56. @Desiderius
    Cotton finished Harvard in three years. Who does that? What an apple polisher!

    Then after Law School, he enlisted in the Army after 9/11. The JAGs wanted him, but he turned them down to join the infantry.

    No wonder Lindsey is so chapped.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    Or is Lindthey aroused?

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