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From the San Francisco Chronicle:

San Francisco school board votes to destroy controversial Washington High mural

Jill Tucker June 26, 2019 Updated: June 26, 2019 3:57 p.m.

The San Francisco school board unanimously voted Tuesday to destroy a controversial school mural featuring slaves and a dead Native American, saying the removal equates to necessary reparations for historic wrongs. …

“It might be art and it can also be racist; it can be both,” said board member Alison Collins. “It’s not just about removing them from public view, it’s also about righting a wrong.”

Painting over the mural would cost at least $600,000, with the majority of the cost in producing an environmental impact report.

And people wonder why California can’t build high-speed rail …

In addition, supporters of the mural have vowed to sue if the board voted to destroy it and legal costs could add to the cost, district officials said.

Other options included covering the mural with panels, which would cost up to $825,000, or obscuring it with curtains, which would have cost up to $375,000.

I can cover it with curtains for the low, low, lowest bid price of $374,000. San Francisco, call me!

Supporters argued the historic work, painted by Russian emigre Victor Arnautoff, is an important piece of art that is actually critical of oppression and imperialism and that destroying it or covering it equates to book burning.

Arnautoff was a Communist Party USA member. He led an eventful life. The son of an Orthodox priest in Russia, he became a White Russian cavalry officer, then the cavalry colonel for a Chinese warlord. In Mexico, he became the assistant to the famous Stalinist painter Diego Rivera, Frida Kahlo’s husband. He moved to San Francisco and was hired to paint Rivera-like murals by the New Deal Works Progress Administration. During the McCarthy Era, Republicans tried to get him fired from Stanford, but the university didn’t heed them. In the early 1960s, he retired from teaching art at Stanford and moved to the Soviet Union, where he died in Leningrad in 1979.

Critics, including students and community groups, called for the 1,600-square-foot mural to be painted over with white paint

Probably in 2029, San Francisco will pay $3.75 million to paint over the white paint with anti-racist beige paint.

 
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  1. Those costs are just eye-popping.

    But it’s a poorly executed painting, in my opinion, with a brutal political message only a commie could like. Look at that Indian on the ground. He’s so badly rendered I’m not even sure if he’s on his back or on his stomach.

    I’d vote to replace it with a mural featuring an all-black cast of characters showing one set of Africans selling another set into slavery. Executed by the Chinese guy who made the MLK statue on the Capitol Mall in DC.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    These "costs" are largely a scam. Environmental Impact Study = Friends of Some Politico who are being rewarded for their support.

    If they were serious, they'd run a story that Viktor was secretly a White Nationalist, and have the police stand down while AntiFa or whoever take it down for free, as is the case with Confederate memorials elsewhere.

    Of course, if the AntiFa do enough damage, then the politicos can reward their construction and environmental impact study friends even more city money. Winning!

  2. Not nearly as bad as the murals from the show “Parks & Recreation.”

    https://parksandrecreation.fandom.com/wiki/Pawnee_City_Hall

    • Replies: @guest
    https://murfinsandburglars.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/parks-and-rec-the-trial-of-chief-wamapo.jpg

    I like this one.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    In [the episode] "The Camel", City Hall decides to paint over the "Spirit of Pawnee" because it has been repeatedly vandalized due to its racist undertones. However, all of the departments' murals are horrible and the "Spirit of Pawnee" mural is instead renamed to "The Diversity Express".

    Perhaps a simple renaming could solve San Francisco's problems. Call the mural "We Seethe With Rage at America's History." Wouldn't that make everyone happy?
  3. I’ll paint it over for 200 bucks,call me.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    Minority set asides………so make that 400 bucks …….gotta share with the black /jewish LGBT disabled woman.
    , @Clyde
    So....according to different news news sources Alexander has been mauled in the Tuva region of Russia near the Mongolian border by a bear which broke his back and he had to drink his own urine to stay alive while he was being kept for a future meal by the bears,

    He's also been found in Sochi on the Black Sea buried alive in a coffin which had been washed out form a cemetery after a heavy rain storm, and now he is in Kazakhstan where he has a chronic and disfiguring skin condition. He's not having a very good month is he?
    , @Anonymous
    Keep in mind the majority of the dough goes to the impact study, so make sure you include that.
  4. OK, I went over to Sherwin-Williams paint calculator. 1600 square feet, we will need four gallons per coat. Let’s say we need two coats, so that’s 8 gallons. Lowes sells Valspar Pro ExpressCoat Flat Antique, white latex for 10.98 per gallon. So, all told, we need to spend approximately $88.00 on paint. Double that for drop clots, brushes, rollers, etc we should be able to do this job for about $170 in materials.

    Well, I’m leaving home and going to San Francisco to take up painting.

    https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/try-on-colors/paint-calculator#/quick-calc-interior

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/Valspar-Pro-ExpressCoat-Flat-Antique-White-Latex-Paint-Actual-Net-Contents-128-fl-oz/1000525287

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Oh, no, I just heard that somebody else undercut me with a bid to put up curtains for only $373,000 and got the contract from the city.

    Damn you, Willie Brown!

    , @Alden
    You forgot the primer. Dark colors need several coats. The plaster’s about 80 years old probably need patching and sanding
    , @bomag
    I've been on a couple gov't advisory boards; new members are inevitably shocked at the cost of doing business as a gov't agency.

    One would think that practicality would win out once in a while; maybe just open the wall to a local graffiti artist. Practicality seems in short supply in these institutions.
    , @Bill Jones
    Can you imagine the fuss if they'd gone with drapes?

    Lavender or peach, lavender of peach?

    The footstomping hissy fits would be a wonder to behold.
    , @Desiderius
    We can't leave all those AA Environmental Engineers rotting in their African Students Unions. Environmental Impact Studies are just another name for things they do together.
    , @Ibound1
    Has anyone done an environmental impact statement for the cost of every illegal in a sanctuary city? It certainly must cost more than curtains. Why doesn’t a conservative group sue asserting no impact statement has been done as a result of the sanctuary laws and therefore an injunction is necessary? You have to play their game.
    , @stillCARealist
    You could probably get the labor for free by all the people who were offended by it. They could organize a Saturday-morning team and get it done a couple of hours.

    We occasionally get graffiti on one of our commercial buildings here in the burbs of Sacramento. We keep paint cans on hand to just go out and roll over it within hours. It discourages the punks who do it because they don't get to appreciate their handiwork.

    I suppose this would be a good disincentive for future Commie artists who want to paint ugly murals. Incidentally, has Communism ever produced anything beautiful?
    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    You're failing to account for the greatest cost involved here: parking in San Francisco.
    , @James Scott
    Unless you paint it black that wall will take at least 4 coats I would bid that job at around $1200 if I was still in the business so you are not far off. Of course since its a gov't school I the job would go to a non white firm for $875,000
  5. OT:

    Looks like the USSA has already implemented its own social credit system with less fanfare than our ChiCom friends:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-29/everyones-got-surveillance-score-and-it-can-cost-you-big-money

    • Replies: @Hail

    China already has 200 million public surveillance cameras
     
    China land area: 3,600,000 square miles

    Surveillance cameras per square mile: 55.5.

    Mathematically, that would be one camera every 0.133 miles. If they were equally spaced out (one camera every 0.133 miles), you could never be more than about 80 seconds' walk from a Communist surveillance camera, assuming 20 minutes to walk a mile (([0.133/2]*20)*60). And that's to walk all the way up to the camera itself. Less for being within the view of one.

    , @anon

    everyones-got-surveillance-score-and-it-can-cost-you-big-money
     
    If it becomes illegal to charge someone "more", then it is also illegal to charge someone "less".

    Which takes us back to the fixed 'fair trade' pricing.

    https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/reports/resale-price-maintenance-economic-theories-and-empirical-evidence/233105.pdf

    Whenever something has the word "Fair" in its description, look out.

    This is a corollary to the wore "War" used in a non military context. "War on Poverty", "War on Drugs"

    It's folded back on itself on the so called "War on Terror", to include the quasi military, as an euphonium for something that can never be won.

    WW 2 was the last war that had the undesirable trait of ending after it was won.
  6. anon[335] • Disclaimer says:

    A left wing artist paints a left wing mural and angry left wing radicals want it destroyed because it is right wing. And it will cost$875K to deface the third rate art work. And they will spend weeks of meeting time arguing loudly about it. And it will all pale in importance to smashing another Robert E Lee statue, which is their supreme act of virtue and courage.
    Can’t we just beat these people and move on?

    • Replies: @SFG
    They own the universities and schools, where they turn the next generation left-wing. So no.
    , @AnotherDad

    Can’t we just beat these people and move on?
     
    Sure.

    But that means actually doing it.

    Either:
    -- win elections with actual conservatives willing to push on through their resistance
    or
    -- win elections and force separation
    or
    -- have a civil war and kill them.

    They are incredibly well imbedded in every nook and cranny. And they are useless eaters with no other prospect of earning a living--much less a very comfortable one with the psychic rewards of bossing you around. So they aren't going easy.
  7. I posted this a few days ago______I did not know for sure about the WPA angle but turns out I was right.
    __________________

    If it’s white, it just ain’t right.
    Obviously the white history denigrating, denying numpties were not happy enough with tearing down old Confederate war memorial statues and painting over exquisite murals of George Washington, that were probably painted as part of FDR’s socialist WPA. Happening in a California school

    Thanks Steve. Damn right this was a communist FDR series of murals

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Thanks Steve. Damn right this was a communist FDR series of murals
     
    My own pet hypothesis is that he put Japanese-Americans into those camps to protect them from his own voters. A Somali-style street dismemberment would have been terrible PR in the "Good War".
  8. @Daniel H
    OK, I went over to Sherwin-Williams paint calculator. 1600 square feet, we will need four gallons per coat. Let's say we need two coats, so that's 8 gallons. Lowes sells Valspar Pro ExpressCoat Flat Antique, white latex for 10.98 per gallon. So, all told, we need to spend approximately $88.00 on paint. Double that for drop clots, brushes, rollers, etc we should be able to do this job for about $170 in materials.

    Well, I'm leaving home and going to San Francisco to take up painting.

    https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/try-on-colors/paint-calculator#/quick-calc-interior

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/Valspar-Pro-ExpressCoat-Flat-Antique-White-Latex-Paint-Actual-Net-Contents-128-fl-oz/1000525287

    Oh, no, I just heard that somebody else undercut me with a bid to put up curtains for only $373,000 and got the contract from the city.

    Damn you, Willie Brown!

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  9. Anonymous [AKA "dumbliberal"] says:

    Liberals are burning books and censoring their Communism.

    Trump Derangement Syndrome, indeed.

  10. Hail says: • Website
    @The Wild Geese Howard
    OT:

    Looks like the USSA has already implemented its own social credit system with less fanfare than our ChiCom friends:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-29/everyones-got-surveillance-score-and-it-can-cost-you-big-money

    China already has 200 million public surveillance cameras

    China land area: 3,600,000 square miles

    Surveillance cameras per square mile: 55.5.

    Mathematically, that would be one camera every 0.133 miles. If they were equally spaced out (one camera every 0.133 miles), you could never be more than about 80 seconds’ walk from a Communist surveillance camera, assuming 20 minutes to walk a mile (([0.133/2]*20)*60). And that’s to walk all the way up to the camera itself. Less for being within the view of one.

    • Replies: @bomag

    one camera every 0.133 miles
     
    The cameras would be centered on grids 0.133 miles on a side; walking the diagonals would give the least exposure, which would be around 0.190 miles between cameras. At 20 minutes per mile, one would be (0.190)(20) minutes between cameras; roughly four minutes.
    , @Lockean Proviso
    But a lot of China is desert, mountains, or sparsely populated area:

    "Mountains cover 58 percent of China. Deserts cover 28 percent. Plains and basins cover around 35 percent. Based on 2005 estimates, 14.86 percent (about 1.4 million square kilometers) of China's land is arable.".
    http://factsanddetails.com/china/cat10/sub64/item400.html

    So that increases surveillance camera density in populated areas considerably above the average you calculated from all of Chinese territory. 3,600,000 - 2,880,000 (80% of total area excluded- some mountains is also desert or farmed in terraces, plus some highways and railroads) = 720,000 monitored square miles/ 200,000,000 cameras= an average of one commie cam every .0036 miles, or 277.78 every square mile. However, this doesn't include smartphone, computer, and other home cameras that their government most likely has access to.
  11. Pity.

    The murals at George Washington High are really nice. I wonder if they’re going to paint over all the mural sections.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Yeah replace these George Washington murals with something more Mexican appropriate. Such as Aztec priests cutting out captured warrior's hearts with obsidian knives and raising them to their blood thirsting sun god.
    , @Jim Christian
    The tile needs a coat..
    , @International Jew
    Wow, I had no idea they were that extensive. I suppose there's something "problematic" to be found in every one of them.

    But if you want to really see problematic, check out the murals in the lobby of the old San Francisco Post Office (now a food court for the lunchtime office crowd, known as the Rincon Center) down at Mission and Spear. The general theme there is the white man/Anglo conquering California from the Injuns and the Mexicans.

    , @Anon
    It's a lot fancier than my high school, which had no artwork at all on the walls, but then my silly academically-inclined school district spent its money on the basics, not the frills.
    , @ricpic
    Blacks actually worked back then!
  12. Why not replace it with a picture of Wakanda?

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @Lo
    Send them the photos, I am sure they'd happily hang it.
  13. @PiltdownMan
    Pity.

    The murals at George Washington High are really nice. I wonder if they're going to paint over all the mural sections.

    https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/41/11/17699422/5/920x920.jpg

    https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/41/11/17699453/5/gallery_xlarge.jpg

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5748a64186db431f09376739/5936e4a08419c23e7ea3fd5a/59fa14b627ef2dc4b491fac4/1510857132697/DSCF0556.jpg

    https://2zwmzkbocl625qdrf2qqqfok-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/WashingtonHighMural.1216.jpg

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5748a64186db431f09376739/5936e4a08419c23e7ea3fd5a/59fa14f56c319480cf301ccf/1510680893340/DSCF0530.jpg

    Yeah replace these George Washington murals with something more Mexican appropriate. Such as Aztec priests cutting out captured warrior’s hearts with obsidian knives and raising them to their blood thirsting sun god.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @guest
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/39/3f/ca393f5ddf6df74ff6bbfbf38dcc1939.jpg
    , @Louis Renault
    Black Lives Matter. A nice mural of Travon, Eric, and Michael would be appropriate.
    , @Anonymous
    The removal Christianity as the core of morality has bought back literal human sacrofice, infantcide and a eunic class..
  14. Commies always eat their own, if you just let them.

    Good riddance. These evil man’s legacy will be destroyed by the evil descendants he championed and spawned.

    Rot in Hades, commie.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
    Unfortunately, they don't stop at their own.
  15. Oh, but you smug San Franciscans just had to gentrify and push out the black residents, DINTCHA?

    You could have had the whole mural painted over with graffiti by the gangs within a week, FOR FREE, but NO, you had to drive out the blacks. Heck of a job, Blondies!

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Some things are more important than money. Like not having YOUR daughter give birth to the next Barry Sotero.
  16. The ridiculousness of these cost quotes aside, I wish that Commie painter were alive today to see his fellow cultural revolutionists tear his stuff down. It’s worth every bit of the $372,000 that I’ll bid.

    BTW, I’ve not seen gallons of paint for $11 in years, Daniel. You can save some buying 5-gallon containers, were you a prudent San Francisco school board member. Is that indoor latex, BTW? For outside paint, I’m here to tell you, 15 year paint lasts 5 years, 5 year paint lasts 2 years … etc.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Pro mooch tip: Buy several gallons of light mis-mixed paint, and mix them all together to give a nice even light fecal dun.
    , @Alden
    It will need coats and coats of primer. And a quality brand of white. Is Home Depot’s Behr really good? I agree with you that it’s nice to see today's commies destroying an old commies mural.
    , @Alden
    Hard to believe Lowe’s sells paint for that price. The best paint for interiors is Farrow&Ball.
    , @Justvisiting
    The revolution is moving forward, forward at ludicrous speed!
    , @Ibound1
    If the Commie painter were alive today, he would do just what the party ordered and if the party ordered him to paint over his life work with black paint, he would do it eagerly - and as they led him away to be shot, he would yell “Long Live Kamala” or Stalin or whoever.
    , @anon

    Probably in 2029, San Francisco will pay $3.75 million to paint over the white paint with anti-racist beige paint.
     
    funniest line, made me spray coffee, turning blue upholstery mottled brown, but hey, it's PC.

    Our local architectural recycling enterprise sells recycled latex paint in 5 gallon buckets @ $55 - $64 per bucket, depending upon interior vs exterior, finish, and color.
    It's not bad stuff.

    Bear in mind, this product has been produced and sold for a number of years.
    Years before Bezos made Amazon amazonian.
    This serves to explain / apologize for the name of the recycled paint: Amazon.
  17. “The San Francisco school board unanimously voted Tuesday to destroy a controversial school mural featuring slaves and a dead Native American, saying the removal equates to necessary reparations for historic wrongs. …”

    I wonder who it is that the murals are triggering? Prior to looking up info on the school I was going to suggest leaving the respray work for the San Francisco LowRider Council to handle.

    George Washington High
    600 32nd Avenue
    San Francisco, CA 94121

    Compare with other schools in San Francisco

    District: San Francisco Unified
    Grades: 9-12

    CSR Rank: 9 out of 102

    Student Ethnicity:
    Asian 60%
    Hispanic or Latino 17.56%
    White 8.16%
    Filipino 4.48%
    African American 3.83%
    Not reported 3.53%
    Two or More Races 1.59%
    Pacific Islander 0.55%
    American Indian 0.3%

    • Replies: @Alden
    So Filipinos aren’t Pacific Islanders any more.
    , @Bill Jones
    Wot!
    No Jews?
  18. When these guys get going, they’ll make the Taliban and Khmer Rouge look like pikers. Maybe at her inauguration, Kamala Marijuana Pepsi will dynamite the Washington Monument.

    • Agree: Peter Frost
    • Replies: @istevefan

    When these guys get going, they’ll make the Taliban and Khmer Rouge look like pikers.
     
    It's too bad we don't have firearms to defend ourselves.
  19. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    When these guys get going, they'll make the Taliban and Khmer Rouge look like pikers. Maybe at her inauguration, Kamala Marijuana Pepsi will dynamite the Washington Monument.

    When these guys get going, they’ll make the Taliban and Khmer Rouge look like pikers.

    It’s too bad we don’t have firearms to defend ourselves.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    I take your point to be that even with the firearms (here in Britain the populace really is totally disarmed) we are going to stand helplessly by as first our culture and then we ourselves are eliminated.

    And, based upon the level of (non) resistance so far, who's to say you are wrong?
  20. A little OT: Diego Rivera actually got in trouble with the Stalinists for supporting Trotsky. While in Mexico, Trotsky lived with Diego Rivera and even had an affair with his famous wife, Frida Kahlo.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    A Stalin-sent hit squad led by a famous painter shot up Rivera's house with submachine guns trying to kill Trotsky, but missed. I think maybe they killed one of Trotsky's grandchildren.

    But after Trotsky got icepicked, Rivera and Kahlo decided it was a good idea to announce that they'd been for murdering Trotsky.

    , @Alden
    Her father was a communist European Jew who immigrated to Mexico to instigate a revolution and quickly married the darkest Indian woman he could find to show commie solidarity with the oppressed.
    , @Old Prude
    From what I've heard, most everyone had an affair with Frida.
  21. There’s no more clear indication of America’s decadence and loss of can-do attitude that the fact that simply painting over a wall can cost such an astronomical amount of money. No wonder everything is outsourced to the Chinese.
    Also the obsession with destroying any remnant of the past that might remotely appear “racist” is now becoming a form of insanity.
    I don’t see what’s racist about the mural. Is now simply featuring slaves “racist”?
    Should we deny that slavery ever existed?
    Maybe one of the slaves should have a blond woman on his arm, to promote mixed couples, and then it would be alright?
    Imagine if the Italians started destroying the Colosseum because “Romans were racist and had slaves”.
    As demented as Europeans have become, there is still a general respect for the past. At least for now. I’m aware that globalists hate that too.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat

    There’s no more clear indication of America’s decadence and loss of can-do attitude that the fact that simply painting over a wall can cost such an astronomical amount of money. No wonder everything is outsourced to the Chinese.
     
    No kidding. Don't they have 'sanctuary cities' teeming with wetbacks out there in Cali? Why can't they just hire them to do the painting-over?
    , @stillCARealist
    The Colosseum was a place of great wickedness and brutality. If the Italians wanted to raze it to the ground, they'd have a better justification than the statues that people have been toppling.
    , @istevefan

    There’s no more clear indication of America’s decadence and loss of can-do attitude that the fact that simply painting over a wall can cost such an astronomical amount of money. No wonder everything is outsourced to the Chinese.
     
    Speaking about can-do attitude and the Chinese, check out this bridge that the Chinese built parallel to a railroad track so as to not interfere with train traffic. Then when ready, they rotated the bridge about 90 degrees into position to go over the tracks. So the bridge was built without disturbing rail traffic. Could we do this in the USA?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLPjeSYUirA
  22. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    The ridiculousness of these cost quotes aside, I wish that Commie painter were alive today to see his fellow cultural revolutionists tear his stuff down. It's worth every bit of the $372,000 that I'll bid.

    BTW, I've not seen gallons of paint for $11 in years, Daniel. You can save some buying 5-gallon containers, were you a prudent San Francisco school board member. Is that indoor latex, BTW? For outside paint, I'm here to tell you, 15 year paint lasts 5 years, 5 year paint lasts 2 years ... etc.

    Pro mooch tip: Buy several gallons of light mis-mixed paint, and mix them all together to give a nice even light fecal dun.

  23. In my opinion, all commie murals should be painted over. If the disgusting leftists of San Francisco want to waste hundreds of thousands of dollars in the process of doing my bidding, who am I to complain.

    Gravy on top if a few White blue-collar painters get paid in the process.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    Can we convince the SJWs that Noam Chomsky is racist, so that they'll burn all the copies of "Peoples' History of the United States."
  24. Anonymous[195] • Disclaimer says:

    Just repaint Washington as a black rapper, and all will be well.

    • LOL: Lo
  25. Mural painters: America, you suck!

    Mural defacers: Okay, America sucks, but so do you!

  26. @Kronos
    Not nearly as bad as the murals from the show “Parks & Recreation.”

    https://parksandrecreation.fandom.com/wiki/Pawnee_City_Hall

    I like this one.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • LOL: Lo
    • Replies: @Kronos
    One day, I’ll figure out how to upload photos to this site. I’m sure it has something to do with the “Insert MORE Tag.”
    , @Known Fact
    My lol of the day thus far -- looks like a scene out of F Troop!
    , @Ray P
    The American concept of a fair fight. "He should have untied and armed himself."
  27. @JohnnyD
    A little OT: Diego Rivera actually got in trouble with the Stalinists for supporting Trotsky. While in Mexico, Trotsky lived with Diego Rivera and even had an affair with his famous wife, Frida Kahlo.

    A Stalin-sent hit squad led by a famous painter shot up Rivera’s house with submachine guns trying to kill Trotsky, but missed. I think maybe they killed one of Trotsky’s grandchildren.

    But after Trotsky got icepicked, Rivera and Kahlo decided it was a good idea to announce that they’d been for murdering Trotsky.

    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
    I think maybe they killed one of Trotsky’s grandchildren.

    Not sure on that, but his great great grand-daughter Nora Volkow is director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse in DC. Trotsky's compound in Mexico City, by the way, is now a fascinating museum. You can see the bullet holes from the attack and the blood stains on LT's table from Mercader's ice pick.

    https://www.feelguide.com/2012/05/06/60-minutes-trotskys-great-granddaughter-the-woman-who-is-revolutionizing-the-science-of-addiction/
    , @El Dato
    Sounds like an "Assange situation".
    , @petit bourgeois
    Trotsky left a lasting impression upon the halls of academe. I shit you not, the Trostkyites still have a student group across the bay at UC Berkeley, an open air asylum.
    , @Logan
    Probably a nit. But.

    The weapon used to kill Trotsky was what we in America call an ice axe, the mountaineering tool, not the thing you use to chuck up block ice to put in drinks, which we call an icepick. You can use what we call an icepick to kill somebody, but it's not the most effective method. Generally for a reliable kill you'd need to get them good in the eye, ear or temple. Most likely to be effective in a complete surprise attack or if the person being attacked is unconscious or tied up.

    The confusion has probably arisen because the tool we call an ice axe is referred to in UK as an ice pick.
    , @Black Death
    This episode is accurately portrayed in the Netflix series "Trotsky," which is well worth watching.
    , @jimmyriddle
    The painter was David Siqueiros. Many years later, he was beaten up by some Trotskiites in Cuba.



    https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pg2np37JNEg
    , @Andy
    Trotsky's grandson, Esteban Volkov, was slightly wounded during that attack (led by Diego Rivera's fellow muralist David Alfaro Siqueiros), but he survived. He is still alive today. His daughter, Nora Volkow, is the current director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) in the states. Here he recounts the incident:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI-arymQl94
    , @JMcG
    Iceaxed, actually. Like what mountaineers use, not icepicked, like what bartenders use. Sorry, it’s a pet peeve of mine.
  28. @Clyde
    Yeah replace these George Washington murals with something more Mexican appropriate. Such as Aztec priests cutting out captured warrior's hearts with obsidian knives and raising them to their blood thirsting sun god.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Sic Semper Virginem! A slogan everyone can get behind.
    , @El Dato
    "A standard knife-crime day in London"

    Rowena Morrill illustrated quite a few SciFi/Fantasy novels. She be female/white.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowena_Morrill

    https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/451416.Rowena_Morrill
    , @Old Prude
    Where is this taking place? Sardinia?
    , @Digital Samizdat
    That chick looks so bored. It looks like she's thinking, "C'mon. Get it over with. I can't wait all day. I got a nail appointment at three."

    Weird ...

    , @Jim bob Lassiter
    But then Along Came Jones :

    Image result for aztec warrior rescues princess

    https://www.google.com/search?q=aztec+warrior+rescues+princess&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjsvJLOl5HjAh
    , @Clyde
    Those Azteca retard heart rippers, they wuz Kangz fo sure! At least they are idols to today's Mexican narcotraficantes.
    Also in Mexico volumes say that the heart cutting out priests wore their blood spattered clothing all the time. Filthy degenerates. Homos too.
    , @jimmyriddle
    The sacrficial victim looks like Tulsi Gabbard, and the priest like Kamala Harris.
    , @Lot
    When a new temple was dedicated, the human sacrifices were often in the thousands. Similar to Christian saints days calendars, the Aztecs had a different human sacrifice for every day of the year. Monday, cut out the hearts of captured warriors. Tuesday, drown their children, Wednesday, dance wearing the skins of flayed people etc.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture

    [Rejoinder by Ron Unz: This is nothing but Jewish/Spanish propaganda. Aztecs dindu nutten, or if they did the sacrificed people had it coming. Also, their modern descendants are the sweetest, most peaceful people in the world, and their IQ will be the same as white Americans with good education and nutrition.]
    , @Old Jew
    ...urgent, ....send in more cavalry help to Hernán Cortés
    , @Anonymous
    It is plesnt to me to reflect that 500 years ago Hernan Cortes came, saw, and kicked ass.

    Others, not so much.

    https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2019/05/opinion-hernan-cortes-father-of-mexico-landed-exactly-500-years-ago-mexicans-are-ambivalent/

    I'd rather be White than mestizo, but then, I would, wouldn't I?

    I suspect most mestizos in their own hearts would too, and therein is the issue.
  29. Anonymous [AKA "FritoKahlo"] says:

    The school board had better tread carefully. Almost all states have public art preservation statutes that govern the alteration or removal of public art. It may not be legal to destroy the mural without approval from the state commission that regulates public art.

    Also, the artist’s estate may still hold the copyright in the work. Destroying it without permission could subject the school district to damages.

    • Replies: @Alden
    City attorney or anti mural activists may have checked. If it’s registered public art, I’m sure any California judge would be thrilled to issue some kind or order to paint it over.
    , @Known Fact
    Those preservation statutes sadly don't seem to be helping save Confederate statues
    , @res
    This looks like a relevant discussion: https://laist.com/2019/04/23/metro_admits_to_painting_over_historic_la_mural.php

    The mural was protected by the 1990 Visual Artists Rights Act, which was designed to shelter recognized public art from damage, destruction or defacement
     
    But they do go on to say:

    In accordance with the Visual Artists Rights Act, Baca should have received a 90-day notice if there was a plan to remove the mural
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Artists_Rights_Act

    Not sure if the artist having been dead for 40 years makes a difference. Some more about the murals and artist:
    https://livingnewdeal.org/tag/victor-arnautoff/
  30. OT:

    Among other reasons, some black NBA players don’t like Steph Curry because he has light skin.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    The intra-racial bitching and complaining was prime in the second video. Intra-racial as in blacks "hating" on Stephen Curry because he is so light skinned. And wonders of wonders his (Curry's) wife is lighter and mo' Becky straight haired than moron Beyonce.
    , @Arclight
    This definitely plays a role - when I was young and attending a diverse and vibrant public school, there was a lot of debate between black students about who was 'real' versus not 100% black, some of it centered around their skin tone.

    Also worth mentioning with Curry though is that a lot of NBA players grew up in genuinely tough circumstances, and Curry was a rich kid, so on top of his color he no doubt had a childhood that 99% of the kids in this country couldn't touch.
  31. @Achmed E. Newman
    Oh, but you smug San Franciscans just had to gentrify and push out the black residents, DINTCHA?

    You could have had the whole mural painted over with graffiti by the gangs within a week, FOR FREE, but NO, you had to drive out the blacks. Heck of a job, Blondies!

    Some things are more important than money. Like not having YOUR daughter give birth to the next Barry Sotero.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Alden
    The Dunham’s raised their daughter to be a communist pro black activist. From about 1930 to 1970 White commie parents urged their daughters to marry blacks so as to produce mulatto leaders. There were thousands of those unions. It was a successful program. It produced our first black president
  32. @guest
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/39/3f/ca393f5ddf6df74ff6bbfbf38dcc1939.jpg

    Sic Semper Virginem! A slogan everyone can get behind.

  33. Anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    Fresco painting has always fascinated me. It seems so difficult, and the work becomes one with the wall. These high school murals seem very well done. Couldn’t there have been a way to make them a “teachable moment”?

    I hope that the budget for removal includes money to professionally photograph the works in detail, and publish a book in them. Where are the tech billionaires now? They funded Willy Brown High School, which was just another “fix black people” money hole failure. How about funded the removal and relocation of the frescoes.

    I also hope that the removal is widely covered in the international press. San Francisco deserves to be humiliated as the idiot city that it is.I

    It probably would have been better to just let extremists vandalize the works, just like with statues. Then remove what’s left.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Tech billionaires hate Whites except for themselves. Washington High’s mostly Chinese immigrants. The American history they were taught from 5th grade on claims all the founders were evil racists.

    Now it will be just another blank white wall in full accord with post 1940 fashions in decorating

    Reminds me of what John Knox, Thomas Cromwell and Henry 8 were doing in Britain 500 years ago.
  34. @International Jew
    Those costs are just eye-popping.

    But it's a poorly executed painting, in my opinion, with a brutal political message only a commie could like. Look at that Indian on the ground. He's so badly rendered I'm not even sure if he's on his back or on his stomach.

    I'd vote to replace it with a mural featuring an all-black cast of characters showing one set of Africans selling another set into slavery. Executed by the Chinese guy who made the MLK statue on the Capitol Mall in DC.

    These “costs” are largely a scam. Environmental Impact Study = Friends of Some Politico who are being rewarded for their support.

    If they were serious, they’d run a story that Viktor was secretly a White Nationalist, and have the police stand down while AntiFa or whoever take it down for free, as is the case with Confederate memorials elsewhere.

    Of course, if the AntiFa do enough damage, then the politicos can reward their construction and environmental impact study friends even more city money. Winning!

    • Replies: @bomag

    Friends of Some Politico who are being rewarded for their support.
     
    This.

    Plus, schools today tend to become slush funds for the various approved contractors to channel the rather lavish public money that gets spent on behalf of the children; while there is little connection between what is spent and life outcomes.

  35. Anon[141] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder if there is some plausible legal theory under which the contracters and their employees could be directly sued, bypassing the school district, for violation of artwork preservation laws or something? Preservationists could make an announcement of their plans at a press conference, and soon the school district could find themselves without any way implementing their decision, short of putting on the old overalls themselves, or hiring sanctuary city Mexicans who don’t know any better, at which point on-site preservationist protestors could don ICE windbreakers.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Heh! I like the way you thought this whole thing through.
    , @bomag

    I wonder if there is some plausible legal theory under which the contracters and their employees could be directly sued...
     
    I'm sure they could be found to have violated the env. impact plan at some point. Each violation should be good for ten years of litigation.
  36. Anon[141] • Disclaimer says:

    The 14 photos of the hearing at the San Francisco Chronicle that Steve linked to are worth a look. There is quite an anti-destruction contingent. They look white, reasonably affluent, and their signs suggest a classical liberal view. The burn-it-down contingent includes no or virtually no blacks, a few SJW looking types, maybe college or antifa age, but mostly what look to me like stocky, five-foot Mexican or Central American types. Who are these people?

    Having watched the New York Amazon HQ2 hearings and having done some background research on that, I realize that these hearing are attended by all kinds of crazy people and lots of activists, some having little to do with the issue. Kind of like the protests in Bonfire of the Vanities. But I really wonder who is behind both sides of this issue? It seems like something that should be subject to a public vote by the citizens. Is there a way to may an outcome like that happen?

    • Replies: @Alden
    Activists organize well in advance. They don’t just expect allies to just show up. They recruit people and have monitors to make sure they arrive.

    They prepare questions and comments. They don’t sit together. They spread out. So when one makes a point the others can start clapping and showing support.

    The bowling balls on stumps will probably be given a $5o Target gift card for coming. May have come in a charters bus. May have come on city buses accompanied by a monitor. Perhaps monitors delivered then in their cars.


    The bowling balls on stumps may have been stirred up by California once was Mexican rhetoric. Indeed California was once Mexican
    for all of 26 years

    Who cares. We don’t go to public schools.
    , @Desiderius

    Who are these people?
     
    People who want to live in their own country, not George Washington's.
    , @Kronos
    But are roaming packs of feral lawyers behind this? Peter Brimelow considered the whole MeToo movement more as a “financial mugging.” Induced by the high probability of major payouts. Are these events related to broke (high-debt) SJW lawyers looking for a big score?
    , @Kronos
    https://youtu.be/Ng_-HgRfGBY
  37. @istevefan

    When these guys get going, they’ll make the Taliban and Khmer Rouge look like pikers.
     
    It's too bad we don't have firearms to defend ourselves.

    I take your point to be that even with the firearms (here in Britain the populace really is totally disarmed) we are going to stand helplessly by as first our culture and then we ourselves are eliminated.

    And, based upon the level of (non) resistance so far, who’s to say you are wrong?

    • Replies: @istevefan
    Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

    I sometimes wonder if having the right to bear arms makes us complacent since we think we are protected with that ace-in-the-hole if things ever got bad. You hear guys talking about how things taking place overseas could not happen here because our government would never try that stuff on an armed population. But then you watch as rights, and things we took for granted, are eroded slowly but surely.

    I can't imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual's. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won't take much to flip the court the other way. At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don't think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don't seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.
    , @Anonymousse
    Who would have thought in 1865 when Russia had just got around to freeing the serfs... that in fifty years they’d be executing the czars family down to the dog.

    Things can change a LOT in what seems like a short span of time. Don’t despair yet. There will be plenty of time for that if it comes to it.
  38. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:

    I just wonder when George Washington’s name, memory and image will be ‘damned and obliterated’ – in the ancient Roman sense ?

    After all the man was quite a slave owner.

    Will it be by 2050 or 2100 or 2150?.

    Willing to take all bets – but *surely* it’s an *inevitability*.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    An ancient anthropological truism has it that the gods of a defeated people become the devils of the conquerors.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Well, I'll bet that your timeline (all 3 guesses) is way too long. If it doesn't happen by 2025, then that means Americans have started fighting back per iStevefan. This stuff is accelerating.
    , @BenKenobi
    They took down a statue of John A. MacDonald in Victoria a little while back. MacDonald was Canada’s first prime minister.

    He didn’t like Injuns or Chinese, so he had to go.
  39. The most sinister aspect of this affair is the unanimous vote by the school board.

    Each member knows the danger of dissent.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Trump's answer on the liberalism question was widely derided by the usually suspect, but is sure makes plenty of sense to those paying attention.
  40. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I just wonder when George Washington's name, memory and image will be 'damned and obliterated' - in the ancient Roman sense ?

    After all the man was quite a slave owner.

    Will it be by 2050 or 2100 or 2150?.

    Willing to take all bets - but *surely* it's an *inevitability*.

    An ancient anthropological truism has it that the gods of a defeated people become the devils of the conquerors.

  41. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:

    In this respect, that 1980 comedy skit by the British ‘Two Ronnies’ comedy duo, “The Worm that Turned”, is eerily prescient.

    The Tower of London – turned into a prison for dissidents, was renamed ‘Barbara Castle’*

    *Barbara Castle – prominent Labour Party left-wing female MP and sometime Government minister of the Wilson Administration of the 1960s and ’70s.

  42. OT: Trump invades North Korea:

  43. San Francisco’s full of his murals. He was paid by the feds as part of the Works Progress Administration which was an FDR full employment for communists program.

    24 years later Lyndon Johnson resurrected it and called it the war on poverty. This time a full employment employment program for blacks as well as communists.

  44. Anon[141] • Disclaimer says:

    The California Art Preservation Act would seem to still apply, since the guy died 40 years ago, and the law protects for 50 years after the death of the artist. Maybe someone could contact any living descendants and initiate some trouble. There doesn’t seem to be any “actual violence to the feelinz of underrepresented minorities” exception.

    https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/civil-code/civ-sect-987.html

    But this would appear to apply:

    If a work of fine art cannot be removed from a building without substantial physical defacement, mutilation, alteration, or destruction of the work, the rights and duties created under this section, unless expressly reserved by an instrument in writing signed by the owner of the building, containing a legal description of the property and properly recorded, shall be deemed waived.

    There’s also a federal law, VARA, that preempts the California law, and was implicated in a huge award to Ed Ruscha in a mural case, which also involved a government building.

  45. @Anon
    The 14 photos of the hearing at the San Francisco Chronicle that Steve linked to are worth a look. There is quite an anti-destruction contingent. They look white, reasonably affluent, and their signs suggest a classical liberal view. The burn-it-down contingent includes no or virtually no blacks, a few SJW looking types, maybe college or antifa age, but mostly what look to me like stocky, five-foot Mexican or Central American types. Who are these people?

    Having watched the New York Amazon HQ2 hearings and having done some background research on that, I realize that these hearing are attended by all kinds of crazy people and lots of activists, some having little to do with the issue. Kind of like the protests in Bonfire of the Vanities. But I really wonder who is behind both sides of this issue? It seems like something that should be subject to a public vote by the citizens. Is there a way to may an outcome like that happen?

    Activists organize well in advance. They don’t just expect allies to just show up. They recruit people and have monitors to make sure they arrive.

    They prepare questions and comments. They don’t sit together. They spread out. So when one makes a point the others can start clapping and showing support.

    The bowling balls on stumps will probably be given a $5o Target gift card for coming. May have come in a charters bus. May have come on city buses accompanied by a monitor. Perhaps monitors delivered then in their cars.

    The bowling balls on stumps may have been stirred up by California once was Mexican rhetoric. Indeed California was once Mexican
    for all of 26 years

    Who cares. We don’t go to public schools.

  46. @Anon
    Fresco painting has always fascinated me. It seems so difficult, and the work becomes one with the wall. These high school murals seem very well done. Couldn't there have been a way to make them a "teachable moment"?

    I hope that the budget for removal includes money to professionally photograph the works in detail, and publish a book in them. Where are the tech billionaires now? They funded Willy Brown High School, which was just another "fix black people" money hole failure. How about funded the removal and relocation of the frescoes.

    I also hope that the removal is widely covered in the international press. San Francisco deserves to be humiliated as the idiot city that it is.I

    It probably would have been better to just let extremists vandalize the works, just like with statues. Then remove what's left.

    Tech billionaires hate Whites except for themselves. Washington High’s mostly Chinese immigrants. The American history they were taught from 5th grade on claims all the founders were evil racists.

    Now it will be just another blank white wall in full accord with post 1940 fashions in decorating

    Reminds me of what John Knox, Thomas Cromwell and Henry 8 were doing in Britain 500 years ago.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    Tech billionaires hate Whites except for themselves.
     
    Tech billionaires despise everyone except fellow billionaires.
  47. @guest
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/39/3f/ca393f5ddf6df74ff6bbfbf38dcc1939.jpg

    “A standard knife-crime day in London”

    Rowena Morrill illustrated quite a few SciFi/Fantasy novels. She be female/white.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowena_Morrill

    https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/451416.Rowena_Morrill

  48. @Redneck farmer
    Some things are more important than money. Like not having YOUR daughter give birth to the next Barry Sotero.

    The Dunham’s raised their daughter to be a communist pro black activist. From about 1930 to 1970 White commie parents urged their daughters to marry blacks so as to produce mulatto leaders. There were thousands of those unions. It was a successful program. It produced our first black president

    • Replies: @bruce county
    "our first black president"

    I'm sorry.... I still gag and can taste vomit in my mouth every time I read or hear those words.
  49. @Anonymous
    The school board had better tread carefully. Almost all states have public art preservation statutes that govern the alteration or removal of public art. It may not be legal to destroy the mural without approval from the state commission that regulates public art.

    Also, the artist's estate may still hold the copyright in the work. Destroying it without permission could subject the school district to damages.

    City attorney or anti mural activists may have checked. If it’s registered public art, I’m sure any California judge would be thrilled to issue some kind or order to paint it over.

  50. @Kronos
    Not nearly as bad as the murals from the show “Parks & Recreation.”

    https://parksandrecreation.fandom.com/wiki/Pawnee_City_Hall

    In [the episode] “The Camel”, City Hall decides to paint over the “Spirit of Pawnee” because it has been repeatedly vandalized due to its racist undertones. However, all of the departments’ murals are horrible and the “Spirit of Pawnee” mural is instead renamed to “The Diversity Express”.

    Perhaps a simple renaming could solve San Francisco’s problems. Call the mural “We Seethe With Rage at America’s History.” Wouldn’t that make everyone happy?

    • LOL: bomag
  51. @JohnnyD
    A little OT: Diego Rivera actually got in trouble with the Stalinists for supporting Trotsky. While in Mexico, Trotsky lived with Diego Rivera and even had an affair with his famous wife, Frida Kahlo.

    Her father was a communist European Jew who immigrated to Mexico to instigate a revolution and quickly married the darkest Indian woman he could find to show commie solidarity with the oppressed.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    ¿¡Jeb!?
  52. @danand

    "The San Francisco school board unanimously voted Tuesday to destroy a controversial school mural featuring slaves and a dead Native American, saying the removal equates to necessary reparations for historic wrongs. …"
     
    I wonder who it is that the murals are triggering? Prior to looking up info on the school I was going to suggest leaving the respray work for the San Francisco LowRider Council to handle.

    George Washington High
    600 32nd Avenue
    San Francisco, CA 94121

    Compare with other schools in San Francisco

    District: San Francisco Unified
    Grades: 9-12

    CSR Rank: 9 out of 102

    Student Ethnicity:
    Asian 60%
    Hispanic or Latino 17.56%
    White 8.16%
    Filipino 4.48%
    African American 3.83%
    Not reported 3.53%
    Two or More Races 1.59%
    Pacific Islander 0.55%
    American Indian 0.3%

    So Filipinos aren’t Pacific Islanders any more.

    • Replies: @danand
    Alden, I guess not in San Francisco?

    From the UCSF office of Diversity and Outreach -


    "At UCSF our working definition of an underrepresented minority (URM) is someone whose racial or ethnic makeup is from one of the following:

    African American / Black
    Asian: Filipino, Hmong*, or Vietnamese only
    Hispanic / Latinx
    Native American / Alaskan Native
    Native Hawaiian / Other Pacific Islander
    Two or more races, when one or more are from the preceding racial and ethnic categories in this list

    * Hmong is not an explicit option on the UC employment forms at this time."
     
  53. @Achmed E. Newman
    The ridiculousness of these cost quotes aside, I wish that Commie painter were alive today to see his fellow cultural revolutionists tear his stuff down. It's worth every bit of the $372,000 that I'll bid.

    BTW, I've not seen gallons of paint for $11 in years, Daniel. You can save some buying 5-gallon containers, were you a prudent San Francisco school board member. Is that indoor latex, BTW? For outside paint, I'm here to tell you, 15 year paint lasts 5 years, 5 year paint lasts 2 years ... etc.

    It will need coats and coats of primer. And a quality brand of white. Is Home Depot’s Behr really good? I agree with you that it’s nice to see today’s commies destroying an old commies mural.

  54. Painting over the mural would cost at least $600,000, with the majority of the cost in producing an environmental impact report.

    What? I mean, why not get an even better one done for a million dollars?

  55. @Steve Sailer
    A Stalin-sent hit squad led by a famous painter shot up Rivera's house with submachine guns trying to kill Trotsky, but missed. I think maybe they killed one of Trotsky's grandchildren.

    But after Trotsky got icepicked, Rivera and Kahlo decided it was a good idea to announce that they'd been for murdering Trotsky.

    I think maybe they killed one of Trotsky’s grandchildren.

    Not sure on that, but his great great grand-daughter Nora Volkow is director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse in DC. Trotsky’s compound in Mexico City, by the way, is now a fascinating museum. You can see the bullet holes from the attack and the blood stains on LT’s table from Mercader’s ice pick.

    https://www.feelguide.com/2012/05/06/60-minutes-trotskys-great-granddaughter-the-woman-who-is-revolutionizing-the-science-of-addiction/

  56. Instead of curtains, why not allow some of the city’s legion of homeless drug addicts to erect a tent city in front of the mural, obscuring it?

  57. @Daniel H
    OK, I went over to Sherwin-Williams paint calculator. 1600 square feet, we will need four gallons per coat. Let's say we need two coats, so that's 8 gallons. Lowes sells Valspar Pro ExpressCoat Flat Antique, white latex for 10.98 per gallon. So, all told, we need to spend approximately $88.00 on paint. Double that for drop clots, brushes, rollers, etc we should be able to do this job for about $170 in materials.

    Well, I'm leaving home and going to San Francisco to take up painting.

    https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/try-on-colors/paint-calculator#/quick-calc-interior

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/Valspar-Pro-ExpressCoat-Flat-Antique-White-Latex-Paint-Actual-Net-Contents-128-fl-oz/1000525287

    You forgot the primer. Dark colors need several coats. The plaster’s about 80 years old probably need patching and sanding

  58. From the article:

    “Orpah Winfrey describes racism as the everyday wearing down of the soul,” he said. “I thought about tens of thousands of students who had walked by that mural over and over and over again.”

    Orpah? I’ve noticed that newspapers no longer employ proofreaders.

    I experience the everyday wearing down of my soul when I see what progressives are doing to Western civilization, but nobody cares about my feelings.

    • Replies: @SFG
    They're doing a lot of damage, but the decay in news has to do largely with the collapse of newspaper revenue from classifieds. It's a lot cheaper to hire a few people fresh out of college to churn out articles on 'Why My Hair is Intersectional' than it is to send them around town figuring out why the local nursing home spends so much money but gives such awful care, and less likely to annoy the rich family that owns the nursing home.
    , @Digital Samizdat

    Orpah? I’ve noticed that newspapers no longer employ proofreaders.
     
    They have all the 'diversity' hires doing proofreading.

    I experience the everyday wearing down of my soul when I see what progressives are doing to Western civilization, but nobody cares about my feelings.
     
    I do. :-(
    , @Logan
    One of the more peculiar claims made about PCness, wokeness and SJWness, even by many conservatives, is that it's intended to make sure nobody ever gets their feelings hurt.

    This is of course completely untrue. It's intended to make sure nobody in specific groups, usually defined as "marginalized communities," gets their feelings hurt.

    For other groups, hurting their feelings is not only acceptable, it's laudable.
    , @International Jew
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpah

    Or maybe they meant "Orca".
    , @Anon
    Didn't I read many moons ago that Oprah's given name really was Orpah, but it was misspelled somewhere along the line as she was beginning her career, and she decided to keep the misspelled version. Seriously.
    , @Father O'Hara
    My soul is down to the nub. The nub!
    , @JMcG
    Should be Orcah.
  59. @Steve Sailer
    A Stalin-sent hit squad led by a famous painter shot up Rivera's house with submachine guns trying to kill Trotsky, but missed. I think maybe they killed one of Trotsky's grandchildren.

    But after Trotsky got icepicked, Rivera and Kahlo decided it was a good idea to announce that they'd been for murdering Trotsky.

    Sounds like an “Assange situation”.

  60. ‘Whitewashing history’ was a punchier title.

  61. @Achmed E. Newman
    The ridiculousness of these cost quotes aside, I wish that Commie painter were alive today to see his fellow cultural revolutionists tear his stuff down. It's worth every bit of the $372,000 that I'll bid.

    BTW, I've not seen gallons of paint for $11 in years, Daniel. You can save some buying 5-gallon containers, were you a prudent San Francisco school board member. Is that indoor latex, BTW? For outside paint, I'm here to tell you, 15 year paint lasts 5 years, 5 year paint lasts 2 years ... etc.

    Hard to believe Lowe’s sells paint for that price. The best paint for interiors is Farrow&Ball.

  62. @anon
    A left wing artist paints a left wing mural and angry left wing radicals want it destroyed because it is right wing. And it will cost$875K to deface the third rate art work. And they will spend weeks of meeting time arguing loudly about it. And it will all pale in importance to smashing another Robert E Lee statue, which is their supreme act of virtue and courage.
    Can't we just beat these people and move on?

    They own the universities and schools, where they turn the next generation left-wing. So no.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  63. @Steve Sailer
    A Stalin-sent hit squad led by a famous painter shot up Rivera's house with submachine guns trying to kill Trotsky, but missed. I think maybe they killed one of Trotsky's grandchildren.

    But after Trotsky got icepicked, Rivera and Kahlo decided it was a good idea to announce that they'd been for murdering Trotsky.

    Trotsky left a lasting impression upon the halls of academe. I shit you not, the Trostkyites still have a student group across the bay at UC Berkeley, an open air asylum.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian

    I shit you not, the Trostkyites still have a student group across the bay at UC Berkeley, an open air asylum.
     
    UC Berkeley, isn't that the place where the kid who couldn't get laid should a bunch of girls who wouldn't lay him? Searches are muddy on the issue.
    , @Kronos
    What’s the racial/ethnic composition?
    , @Alden
    We used to call San Francisco The Mental Health Outpatient Clinic. We didn’t mean the patients kicked out of the mental hospitals by the Hodge case.
    , @Clifford Brown
    Right off of Telegraph Avenue in Berkeley is Revolution Books, a bookstore promoting every radical cause imaginable. It's run by the Revolutionary Communist Party USA which is technically Maoist as opposed to Trotskyite. The party and shop are dedicated to the party jefe, Bob Avakian, who has an old school cult of personality operation going. There are giant posters of Bob Avakian on the walls and shelves dedicated to copious writings. If you ask the staff about "Bob", their eyes light up. He is referred to by party members as simply "BA". There is a sheep joke to made here.

    The whole thing is beyond bizarre. Whoever is behind this op, whether it is the Chinese, the CIA or both, is having a fun time.

    https://revcom.us/avakian/index.html
  64. @Harry Baldwin
    From the article:

    “Orpah Winfrey describes racism as the everyday wearing down of the soul,” he said. “I thought about tens of thousands of students who had walked by that mural over and over and over again.”
     
    Orpah? I've noticed that newspapers no longer employ proofreaders.

    I experience the everyday wearing down of my soul when I see what progressives are doing to Western civilization, but nobody cares about my feelings.

    They’re doing a lot of damage, but the decay in news has to do largely with the collapse of newspaper revenue from classifieds. It’s a lot cheaper to hire a few people fresh out of college to churn out articles on ‘Why My Hair is Intersectional’ than it is to send them around town figuring out why the local nursing home spends so much money but gives such awful care, and less likely to annoy the rich family that owns the nursing home.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  65. @JohnnyD
    A little OT: Diego Rivera actually got in trouble with the Stalinists for supporting Trotsky. While in Mexico, Trotsky lived with Diego Rivera and even had an affair with his famous wife, Frida Kahlo.

    From what I’ve heard, most everyone had an affair with Frida.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat

    From what I’ve heard, most everyone had an affair with Frida.
     
    I know. One wonders where she found all that time to keep painting herself over and over!
    , @SFG
    Wanting to sleep around the way men used to has been a big motivator for many feminists. (The other big one is wanting to make their own money.)

    The catch is, of course, they get annoyed when they get dumped, and decide it's patriarchy, or decide they prefer other women, or both.

    I am convinced that if Western Civ had found a better solution for making masculine women happy we would have avoided a lot of trouble. Oh well, at least it should provide some amusement to the historians in 22nd century Beijing. "And here is how the baizuo wrecked their culture..."

    , @Budd Dwyer

    From what I’ve heard, most everyone had an affair with Frida.
     
    I mean, who isn’t attracted to a communist, feminist unibrow Jewess?

    Frida Kahlo, well known for her striking self-portraits, her strong Mexican and feminist sensibilities, and her tumultuous passionate life, was born in Coyoacan, Mexico, on July 6, 1907. Her mother's family was of Spanish and Native Mexican descent, while her father was a German Jewish immigrant. Although she is best known for her representations of Mexican culture, her Jewish background also influenced her work.

    https://jwa.org/thisweek/jul/06/1907/frida-kahlo
     

    World-renowned leftwing Mexican artists Diego Rivera and Frida Kahlo were married for the first time on this date in 1929 (they separated in 1934, divorced in 1938, and remarried in 1940). Rivera’s mother was a converso. Although he was not raised as a Jew, he knew that he was Jewish and was proud of it.World-renowned leftwing Mexican artists Diego Rivera and Frida Kahlo were married for the first time on this date in 1929 (they separated in 1934, divorced in 1938, and remarried in 1940). Rivera’s mother was a converso. Although he was not raised as a Jew, he knew that he was Jewish and was proud of it.

    https://jewishcurrents.org/august-21-diego-rivera-and-frida-kahlo/
     
    Kahlo wasn’t above ribbing the notorious anti-Semite Henry Ford during a dinner party in Detroit, when she impertinently asked, "Mr. Ford, are you Jewish?"
    https://jewishjournal.com/tag/frida-kahlo/
    , @Alden
    Probably why she had so many mis carriages caused by chalymidea however it’s spelled. I don’t think she had any children thanks be to God
    , @BigDickNick
    You can't turn a whore to a housewife example #1,000,000
  66. @guest
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/39/3f/ca393f5ddf6df74ff6bbfbf38dcc1939.jpg

    Where is this taking place? Sardinia?

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @anon
    California. It's La Raza Nostra, a new hybrid crime syndicate.
  67. @Father O'Hara
    I'll paint it over for 200 bucks,call me.

    Minority set asides………so make that 400 bucks …….gotta share with the black /jewish LGBT disabled woman.

  68. @Triumph104
    OT:

    Among other reasons, some black NBA players don't like Steph Curry because he has light skin.

    https://youtu.be/X0IeoI88yg0
    https://youtu.be/JldWMIn4GyM

    The intra-racial bitching and complaining was prime in the second video. Intra-racial as in blacks “hating” on Stephen Curry because he is so light skinned. And wonders of wonders his (Curry’s) wife is lighter and mo’ Becky straight haired than moron Beyonce.

  69. “I can cover it with curtains for the low, low, lowest bid price of $374,000. San Francisco, call me!”

    Sounds good to us. Can you certify that all material inputs (textile fiberss, dyes, etc.) in the manufacture of these curtains are of 100% natural organic, free trade, non-animal cruelty, sustainable production methodology origins ? Are any CCC (California Cancer Causing) label warnings needed in this endeavor? May we examine the racial, ethnic, religious, gender, sexual orientation, linguistic, ad nauseam characteristics of your and your sub-contracators’ employee rosters?

  70. OT: Another angle to the great awokening. If the ‘Good Fight’ demo are essentially the upper-middle class women (As well as Millennials and Zs either born into or working in a profession that prior to 2008 was a source of an upper-middle class life, regardless of their current living standards) and SJWism purity spiralling may not originate from them but finds a welcome echo chamber among them, maybe the introduction of more effective engagement metrics (Fuelled by massive amounts of personal data made available from social media) lead to online media targeting the prejudices of the most valuable income demographics now that they had real-time means to track that. What David Goodhart calls the ‘Anywheres’.

    It seems to have been the VC agenda behind Mic.
    https://theoutline.com/post/2156/mic-com-and-the-cynicism-of-modern-media?zd=1&zi=xvok4qpu

    See this thread from Wesley Yang examining the phenomena.

  71. Why not just call open season on the wall to Bay Area gang bangers and give out (in situ) free certified environmentally safe spray paint for the rest of the summer. Call it the Bay Area Great Urban Midnight Spray Paint Initiative. BAGUM’-SPI

  72. @R.G. Camara
    Commies always eat their own, if you just let them.

    Good riddance. These evil man's legacy will be destroyed by the evil descendants he championed and spawned.

    Rot in Hades, commie.

    Unfortunately, they don’t stop at their own.

  73. Remember when them evil Tally-bans took over Afghanistan? Remember how all goodthinkers were appalled because they started destroying ancient Hindu idols?

    Yeah, maybe you’d better not remember. Remembering is like noticing. The best people just don’t do it.

  74. @Dumbo
    There's no more clear indication of America's decadence and loss of can-do attitude that the fact that simply painting over a wall can cost such an astronomical amount of money. No wonder everything is outsourced to the Chinese.
    Also the obsession with destroying any remnant of the past that might remotely appear "racist" is now becoming a form of insanity.
    I don't see what's racist about the mural. Is now simply featuring slaves "racist"?
    Should we deny that slavery ever existed?
    Maybe one of the slaves should have a blond woman on his arm, to promote mixed couples, and then it would be alright?
    Imagine if the Italians started destroying the Colosseum because "Romans were racist and had slaves".
    As demented as Europeans have become, there is still a general respect for the past. At least for now. I'm aware that globalists hate that too.

    There’s no more clear indication of America’s decadence and loss of can-do attitude that the fact that simply painting over a wall can cost such an astronomical amount of money. No wonder everything is outsourced to the Chinese.

    No kidding. Don’t they have ‘sanctuary cities’ teeming with wetbacks out there in Cali? Why can’t they just hire them to do the painting-over?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Or just get the kids to do it, Tom Sawyer-style.
  75. @guest
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/39/3f/ca393f5ddf6df74ff6bbfbf38dcc1939.jpg

    That chick looks so bored. It looks like she’s thinking, “C’mon. Get it over with. I can’t wait all day. I got a nail appointment at three.”

    Weird …

  76. @Anon
    I wonder if there is some plausible legal theory under which the contracters and their employees could be directly sued, bypassing the school district, for violation of artwork preservation laws or something? Preservationists could make an announcement of their plans at a press conference, and soon the school district could find themselves without any way implementing their decision, short of putting on the old overalls themselves, or hiring sanctuary city Mexicans who don't know any better, at which point on-site preservationist protestors could don ICE windbreakers.

    Heh! I like the way you thought this whole thing through.

  77. @Anonymous
    I just wonder when George Washington's name, memory and image will be 'damned and obliterated' - in the ancient Roman sense ?

    After all the man was quite a slave owner.

    Will it be by 2050 or 2100 or 2150?.

    Willing to take all bets - but *surely* it's an *inevitability*.

    Well, I’ll bet that your timeline (all 3 guesses) is way too long. If it doesn’t happen by 2025, then that means Americans have started fighting back per iStevefan. This stuff is accelerating.

  78. @Old Prude
    Where is this taking place? Sardinia?

    California. It’s La Raza Nostra, a new hybrid crime syndicate.

  79. Critics, including students and community groups, called for the 1,600-square-foot mural to be painted over with white paint

    O, the irony.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    White is okay!
  80. @Harry Baldwin
    From the article:

    “Orpah Winfrey describes racism as the everyday wearing down of the soul,” he said. “I thought about tens of thousands of students who had walked by that mural over and over and over again.”
     
    Orpah? I've noticed that newspapers no longer employ proofreaders.

    I experience the everyday wearing down of my soul when I see what progressives are doing to Western civilization, but nobody cares about my feelings.

    Orpah? I’ve noticed that newspapers no longer employ proofreaders.

    They have all the ‘diversity’ hires doing proofreading.

    I experience the everyday wearing down of my soul when I see what progressives are doing to Western civilization, but nobody cares about my feelings.

    I do. 🙁

  81. @Old Prude
    From what I've heard, most everyone had an affair with Frida.

    From what I’ve heard, most everyone had an affair with Frida.

    I know. One wonders where she found all that time to keep painting herself over and over!

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "One wonders where she found all that time to keep painting herself over and over!"

    Not if one considers all the time she saved by not tweezing her eyebrows.
  82. I can cover it with curtains for the low, low, lowest bid price of $374,000. San Francisco, call me!

    John Ashcroft can do it for eight grand: https://rense.com/general19/coveringup.htm

    Alternatively, we could just paint a new mural over the old one. Here’s my idea:

    Or if the board votes that one down, we could also just replace the offending mural with a statue. How about the Bamiyan Buddhas? Sound like a winner?

  83. I’d fart in the general direction of San Francisco but not sure how much would an environmental impact report cost.

  84. @Old Prude
    From what I've heard, most everyone had an affair with Frida.

    Wanting to sleep around the way men used to has been a big motivator for many feminists. (The other big one is wanting to make their own money.)

    The catch is, of course, they get annoyed when they get dumped, and decide it’s patriarchy, or decide they prefer other women, or both.

    I am convinced that if Western Civ had found a better solution for making masculine women happy we would have avoided a lot of trouble. Oh well, at least it should provide some amusement to the historians in 22nd century Beijing. “And here is how the baizuo wrecked their culture…”

    • Replies: @Clyde

    I am convinced that if Western Civ had found a better solution for making masculine women happy we would have avoided a lot of trouble.
     
    And what would or could this solution be? I see no solution. So instead we have a homo female driven homeostasis.
    , @MalePaleStale
    OT but in the area of revisionist history: I got banned from a site for suggesting this. From USA Today about E. Jean Carroll who alleges that Trump raped her 25 years ago.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/06/27/e-jean-carroll-two-friends-talk-her-alleged-rape-trump/1582453001/

    "Birnbach said she remembers Carroll "laughing" as she told the story. She said repeatedly that Trump pulled down her tights. Birnbach said at first she was laughing, too, but as Carroll continued she stopped, realizing what her friend was describing was rape."

    Who laughs about being raped? I'm guessing Carroll called her friend to brag about her encounter with Trump. Brinbach who was probably jealous or is a militant feminist convinced Carroll that her consensual encounter was a rape. Trump didn't even take her out to dinner. You don't get something for nothing. Carroll probably did not want to appear to be a slut as well when her willing actions were recounted to her by her friend.

    , @Desiderius

    I am convinced that if Western Civ had found a better solution for making masculine women happy we would have avoided a lot of trouble.
     
    Trying to make people happy is doing manhood wrong.
    , @TWS
    We needed to give them a good slap and tell the masculine women to sit down and shut up.

    That would have ended their endless demands before they got started.
  85. @The Alarmist
    These "costs" are largely a scam. Environmental Impact Study = Friends of Some Politico who are being rewarded for their support.

    If they were serious, they'd run a story that Viktor was secretly a White Nationalist, and have the police stand down while AntiFa or whoever take it down for free, as is the case with Confederate memorials elsewhere.

    Of course, if the AntiFa do enough damage, then the politicos can reward their construction and environmental impact study friends even more city money. Winning!

    Friends of Some Politico who are being rewarded for their support.

    This.

    Plus, schools today tend to become slush funds for the various approved contractors to channel the rather lavish public money that gets spent on behalf of the children; while there is little connection between what is spent and life outcomes.

  86. @PiltdownMan
    Pity.

    The murals at George Washington High are really nice. I wonder if they're going to paint over all the mural sections.

    https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/41/11/17699422/5/920x920.jpg

    https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/41/11/17699453/5/gallery_xlarge.jpg

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5748a64186db431f09376739/5936e4a08419c23e7ea3fd5a/59fa14b627ef2dc4b491fac4/1510857132697/DSCF0556.jpg

    https://2zwmzkbocl625qdrf2qqqfok-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/WashingtonHighMural.1216.jpg

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5748a64186db431f09376739/5936e4a08419c23e7ea3fd5a/59fa14f56c319480cf301ccf/1510680893340/DSCF0530.jpg

    The tile needs a coat..

  87. @petit bourgeois
    Trotsky left a lasting impression upon the halls of academe. I shit you not, the Trostkyites still have a student group across the bay at UC Berkeley, an open air asylum.

    I shit you not, the Trostkyites still have a student group across the bay at UC Berkeley, an open air asylum.

    UC Berkeley, isn’t that the place where the kid who couldn’t get laid should a bunch of girls who wouldn’t lay him? Searches are muddy on the issue.

    • Replies: @Carol
    Maybe if you rephrased the question.
  88. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s another horribly offensive and triggering mural which had to be removed. For the children. Because of all the cracker kids.

    Oak Park spent only $3,526,277.08 million in white-out to get the job done.

    “I have had students approach me pointing out that this picture does not represent our student body or the diversity of Oak Park,” Fitzgerald wrote. “We will be working with the Social Justice Club and our parent Diversity Committee to create a mural/canvas that better represents Julian Middle School.”

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/4/15/18412889/historic-wpa-mural-featuring-only-white-children-removed-from-oak-park-school

    • Replies: @donut
    Too bad , I think it's a charming painting . Reminds me of Bruegel .

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Pieter_Brueghel_the_Younger_-_Winter_landscape_with_a_bird_trap_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg
    , @Clyde
    Great mural and the painter was Ethel Spears, a lesbian you can see via her wiki. Her art is flat and folk artist, kind of primativist and I like it. I like it yes I do. Many bing images of her work. https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Ethel+Spears&form=HDRSC2&first=1&cw=1129&ch=547
    , @stillCARealist
    I have a puzzle of that painting. I had no idea it was so racist. I'll get it out and do it again and have a cup of white hot chocolate to properly enjoy it.
  89. @Daniel H
    OK, I went over to Sherwin-Williams paint calculator. 1600 square feet, we will need four gallons per coat. Let's say we need two coats, so that's 8 gallons. Lowes sells Valspar Pro ExpressCoat Flat Antique, white latex for 10.98 per gallon. So, all told, we need to spend approximately $88.00 on paint. Double that for drop clots, brushes, rollers, etc we should be able to do this job for about $170 in materials.

    Well, I'm leaving home and going to San Francisco to take up painting.

    https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/try-on-colors/paint-calculator#/quick-calc-interior

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/Valspar-Pro-ExpressCoat-Flat-Antique-White-Latex-Paint-Actual-Net-Contents-128-fl-oz/1000525287

    I’ve been on a couple gov’t advisory boards; new members are inevitably shocked at the cost of doing business as a gov’t agency.

    One would think that practicality would win out once in a while; maybe just open the wall to a local graffiti artist. Practicality seems in short supply in these institutions.

  90. @guest
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/39/3f/ca393f5ddf6df74ff6bbfbf38dcc1939.jpg

    But then Along Came Jones :

    Image result for aztec warrior rescues princess

    https://www.google.com/search?q=aztec+warrior+rescues+princess&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjsvJLOl5HjAh

  91. @Daniel H
    OK, I went over to Sherwin-Williams paint calculator. 1600 square feet, we will need four gallons per coat. Let's say we need two coats, so that's 8 gallons. Lowes sells Valspar Pro ExpressCoat Flat Antique, white latex for 10.98 per gallon. So, all told, we need to spend approximately $88.00 on paint. Double that for drop clots, brushes, rollers, etc we should be able to do this job for about $170 in materials.

    Well, I'm leaving home and going to San Francisco to take up painting.

    https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/try-on-colors/paint-calculator#/quick-calc-interior

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/Valspar-Pro-ExpressCoat-Flat-Antique-White-Latex-Paint-Actual-Net-Contents-128-fl-oz/1000525287

    Can you imagine the fuss if they’d gone with drapes?

    Lavender or peach, lavender of peach?

    The footstomping hissy fits would be a wonder to behold.

  92. @danand

    "The San Francisco school board unanimously voted Tuesday to destroy a controversial school mural featuring slaves and a dead Native American, saying the removal equates to necessary reparations for historic wrongs. …"
     
    I wonder who it is that the murals are triggering? Prior to looking up info on the school I was going to suggest leaving the respray work for the San Francisco LowRider Council to handle.

    George Washington High
    600 32nd Avenue
    San Francisco, CA 94121

    Compare with other schools in San Francisco

    District: San Francisco Unified
    Grades: 9-12

    CSR Rank: 9 out of 102

    Student Ethnicity:
    Asian 60%
    Hispanic or Latino 17.56%
    White 8.16%
    Filipino 4.48%
    African American 3.83%
    Not reported 3.53%
    Two or More Races 1.59%
    Pacific Islander 0.55%
    American Indian 0.3%

    Wot!
    No Jews?

  93. @Hail

    China already has 200 million public surveillance cameras
     
    China land area: 3,600,000 square miles

    Surveillance cameras per square mile: 55.5.

    Mathematically, that would be one camera every 0.133 miles. If they were equally spaced out (one camera every 0.133 miles), you could never be more than about 80 seconds' walk from a Communist surveillance camera, assuming 20 minutes to walk a mile (([0.133/2]*20)*60). And that's to walk all the way up to the camera itself. Less for being within the view of one.

    one camera every 0.133 miles

    The cameras would be centered on grids 0.133 miles on a side; walking the diagonals would give the least exposure, which would be around 0.190 miles between cameras. At 20 minutes per mile, one would be (0.190)(20) minutes between cameras; roughly four minutes.

    • Replies: @bomag
    Alternatively, the cameras could be laid out in an equilateral triangle grid, which gives 0.144 miles between cameras; thus 2.9 minutes walking time.
    , @Hail

    around 0.190 miles between cameras
     
    If so, the farthest distance a human could be from a camera would be (0.190)/2, would it not? Exactly halfway between two cameras on that line.

    Unless I am missing something, that means 0.095 miles (<2 minutes' walking time).
    , @donut
    They certainly have enough territory covered . I saw a British true crime show where the police were able to track a murder suspect from his home town to the scene of the murder where a camera caught him getting off a bus within eyesight of his victims house , and then back home again .

    OTOH AFAIK they have never found out who this guy was :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVOZ7YPOakI
  94. Wonder how long Chinese culture will last against the inevitable SJW onslaught.
    Survival of Japan gives one hope.

  95. @Achmed E. Newman
    The ridiculousness of these cost quotes aside, I wish that Commie painter were alive today to see his fellow cultural revolutionists tear his stuff down. It's worth every bit of the $372,000 that I'll bid.

    BTW, I've not seen gallons of paint for $11 in years, Daniel. You can save some buying 5-gallon containers, were you a prudent San Francisco school board member. Is that indoor latex, BTW? For outside paint, I'm here to tell you, 15 year paint lasts 5 years, 5 year paint lasts 2 years ... etc.

    The revolution is moving forward, forward at ludicrous speed!

  96. @Anon
    I wonder if there is some plausible legal theory under which the contracters and their employees could be directly sued, bypassing the school district, for violation of artwork preservation laws or something? Preservationists could make an announcement of their plans at a press conference, and soon the school district could find themselves without any way implementing their decision, short of putting on the old overalls themselves, or hiring sanctuary city Mexicans who don't know any better, at which point on-site preservationist protestors could don ICE windbreakers.

    I wonder if there is some plausible legal theory under which the contracters and their employees could be directly sued…

    I’m sure they could be found to have violated the env. impact plan at some point. Each violation should be good for ten years of litigation.

  97. @guest
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/39/3f/ca393f5ddf6df74ff6bbfbf38dcc1939.jpg

    Those Azteca retard heart rippers, they wuz Kangz fo sure! At least they are idols to today’s Mexican narcotraficantes.
    Also in Mexico volumes say that the heart cutting out priests wore their blood spattered clothing all the time. Filthy degenerates. Homos too.

  98. @SFG
    Wanting to sleep around the way men used to has been a big motivator for many feminists. (The other big one is wanting to make their own money.)

    The catch is, of course, they get annoyed when they get dumped, and decide it's patriarchy, or decide they prefer other women, or both.

    I am convinced that if Western Civ had found a better solution for making masculine women happy we would have avoided a lot of trouble. Oh well, at least it should provide some amusement to the historians in 22nd century Beijing. "And here is how the baizuo wrecked their culture..."

    I am convinced that if Western Civ had found a better solution for making masculine women happy we would have avoided a lot of trouble.

    And what would or could this solution be? I see no solution. So instead we have a homo female driven homeostasis.

  99. @Triumph104
    OT:

    Among other reasons, some black NBA players don't like Steph Curry because he has light skin.

    https://youtu.be/X0IeoI88yg0
    https://youtu.be/JldWMIn4GyM

    This definitely plays a role – when I was young and attending a diverse and vibrant public school, there was a lot of debate between black students about who was ‘real’ versus not 100% black, some of it centered around their skin tone.

    Also worth mentioning with Curry though is that a lot of NBA players grew up in genuinely tough circumstances, and Curry was a rich kid, so on top of his color he no doubt had a childhood that 99% of the kids in this country couldn’t touch.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    His b-ball hoops actually had nets
    , @Ed
    I think Steve has done some posts on this but NBA players tend to skew more middle class.


    https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/6777581/importance-athlete-background-making-nba
  100. The U.S. Post Office actually put out a Frida Kahlo stamp a few years back…

    https://worldhistoryproject.org/2001/6/21/frida-kahlo-honored-with-us-postage-stamp

  101. @Clyde
    Yeah replace these George Washington murals with something more Mexican appropriate. Such as Aztec priests cutting out captured warrior's hearts with obsidian knives and raising them to their blood thirsting sun god.

    Black Lives Matter. A nice mural of Travon, Eric, and Michael would be appropriate.

  102. @Steve Sailer
    A Stalin-sent hit squad led by a famous painter shot up Rivera's house with submachine guns trying to kill Trotsky, but missed. I think maybe they killed one of Trotsky's grandchildren.

    But after Trotsky got icepicked, Rivera and Kahlo decided it was a good idea to announce that they'd been for murdering Trotsky.

    Probably a nit. But.

    The weapon used to kill Trotsky was what we in America call an ice axe, the mountaineering tool, not the thing you use to chuck up block ice to put in drinks, which we call an icepick. You can use what we call an icepick to kill somebody, but it’s not the most effective method. Generally for a reliable kill you’d need to get them good in the eye, ear or temple. Most likely to be effective in a complete surprise attack or if the person being attacked is unconscious or tied up.

    The confusion has probably arisen because the tool we call an ice axe is referred to in UK as an ice pick.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    The Astro-Hungarian Empress Elizabeth ("Sissy") was killed by a genuine ice pick. It went through her corset and punched a hole in her heart.
    , @Clyde
    As far as I know ice axe is correct,,,,,for the Trotsky murder weapon
  103. @Harry Baldwin
    From the article:

    “Orpah Winfrey describes racism as the everyday wearing down of the soul,” he said. “I thought about tens of thousands of students who had walked by that mural over and over and over again.”
     
    Orpah? I've noticed that newspapers no longer employ proofreaders.

    I experience the everyday wearing down of my soul when I see what progressives are doing to Western civilization, but nobody cares about my feelings.

    One of the more peculiar claims made about PCness, wokeness and SJWness, even by many conservatives, is that it’s intended to make sure nobody ever gets their feelings hurt.

    This is of course completely untrue. It’s intended to make sure nobody in specific groups, usually defined as “marginalized communities,” gets their feelings hurt.

    For other groups, hurting their feelings is not only acceptable, it’s laudable.

  104. How could a commie paint anything to stir up the angst of a bunch of SJW’s? I though that they were pretty much one and the same?

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    How could a commie paint anything to stir up the angst of a bunch of SJW’s? I though that they were pretty much one and the same?
     
    Given that actual communists and SJWs are at opposite ends of the political spectrum it's hardly surprising the SJWs want to erase communists from history.
  105. @Steve Sailer
    A Stalin-sent hit squad led by a famous painter shot up Rivera's house with submachine guns trying to kill Trotsky, but missed. I think maybe they killed one of Trotsky's grandchildren.

    But after Trotsky got icepicked, Rivera and Kahlo decided it was a good idea to announce that they'd been for murdering Trotsky.

    This episode is accurately portrayed in the Netflix series “Trotsky,” which is well worth watching.

  106. FWIW, I believe there are protective sealers available that protect the original paint while allowing a topcoat to be painted over the sealer.

    If at some future time it is decided to bring the murals back, the right process will remove the sealer and topcoats, exposing the original murals undamaged.

    At least in theory.

  107. Budd Dwyer [AKA "Anon000"] says:
    @Old Prude
    From what I've heard, most everyone had an affair with Frida.

    From what I’ve heard, most everyone had an affair with Frida.

    I mean, who isn’t attracted to a communist, feminist unibrow Jewess?

    Frida Kahlo, well known for her striking self-portraits, her strong Mexican and feminist sensibilities, and her tumultuous passionate life, was born in Coyoacan, Mexico, on July 6, 1907. Her mother’s family was of Spanish and Native Mexican descent, while her father was a German Jewish immigrant. Although she is best known for her representations of Mexican culture, her Jewish background also influenced her work.

    https://jwa.org/thisweek/jul/06/1907/frida-kahlo

    World-renowned leftwing Mexican artists Diego Rivera and Frida Kahlo were married for the first time on this date in 1929 (they separated in 1934, divorced in 1938, and remarried in 1940). Rivera’s mother was a converso. Although he was not raised as a Jew, he knew that he was Jewish and was proud of it.World-renowned leftwing Mexican artists Diego Rivera and Frida Kahlo were married for the first time on this date in 1929 (they separated in 1934, divorced in 1938, and remarried in 1940). Rivera’s mother was a converso. Although he was not raised as a Jew, he knew that he was Jewish and was proud of it.

    https://jewishcurrents.org/august-21-diego-rivera-and-frida-kahlo/

    Kahlo wasn’t above ribbing the notorious anti-Semite Henry Ford during a dinner party in Detroit, when she impertinently asked, “Mr. Ford, are you Jewish?”
    https://jewishjournal.com/tag/frida-kahlo/

    • Replies: @Anon
    Kahlo wasn't a big deal in the art world until the last couple of generations, and her awful artwork is highly overrated. Jewish critics elevated her status solely because she was Jewish and had enough third world genes to give them SJW brownie points for celebrating her downtroddenness. When you study art history, there's scarcely a Jew to be found until you hit the 20th-century moderns. There really aren't very many Jewish painters with any talent of any sort. Jews are verbally skilled instead of visual-spacial and mechanically skilled, and Jewish art critics are touchy about the lack of great Jewish painters the way blacks are touchy about the lack of black scientists. Consequently, Jewish critics keep trying to rearrange the list of greats to favor Jews.
  108. istevefan says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    I take your point to be that even with the firearms (here in Britain the populace really is totally disarmed) we are going to stand helplessly by as first our culture and then we ourselves are eliminated.

    And, based upon the level of (non) resistance so far, who's to say you are wrong?

    Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

    I sometimes wonder if having the right to bear arms makes us complacent since we think we are protected with that ace-in-the-hole if things ever got bad. You hear guys talking about how things taking place overseas could not happen here because our government would never try that stuff on an armed population. But then you watch as rights, and things we took for granted, are eroded slowly but surely.

    I can’t imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual’s. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won’t take much to flip the court the other way. At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don’t think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don’t seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.

    • Replies: @Flip

    I can’t imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual’s. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won’t take much to flip the court the other way. At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?
     
    That's why I say that McConnell saved gun rights in America by stopping the anti-gun Garland from getting on the Supreme Court so we could have Gorsuch.
    , @bomag

    I can’t imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual’s.
     
    I suppose the first thing will be everyone joining a "militia", and we fight over what constitutes a militia for decades.

    Eventually, it comes down to how much enforcement; could well be the next illegal immigrant statute.
    , @anonymous coward

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don’t think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don’t seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.
     
    You have to actually be ready to use them. Which you're not, you're keeping them around because you think they're scary; somehow you think leftists will buckle down just thinking of these scary objects. (Protip: they won't, they don't give the slightest of shits about you or your scary guns.)

    Second point: anything you can do with a gun you can also do with a club or a fist, just slower. If you're not willing to fight with clubs and fists, what makes you think fancier hardware will help your resolve?
    , @L Woods
    Rather, power extends from the mouth of a megaphone. No need to shoot anyone when you can violate and dominate their minds through relentless media bombardment.
    , @Mr. Anon

    I can’t imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual’s. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won’t take much to flip the court the other way.
     
    True. Apparently, all it will take is for John Roberts to change his mind.

    At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?
     
    I once heard someone put it pretty succinctly. The 2nd amendment states that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. If I had a right yesterday, and I don't have that right today, then that right has been infringed. I.e., if the Supreme Court decides that the 2nd amendment doesn't mean what it has always meant, then that ruling is neither legal nor constitutional, no matter what nine people in robes say.

    I agree with all you say. We are well on the way to losing our liberties as assuredly as Europe and the anglophone world is. In some areas, we are ahead of them in that loss. And "Muh Constitution" is not going to protect us.

    , @BB753
    A citizen's militia armed with firearms would have been scary for the government up until the mid-1800's. Today, in order to to overthrow a government you need more than handguns and rifles: you need an aviation, drones, heavy artillery, armored vehicles, missiles, nukes, etc.
    So basically, the US population is as powerless as the UK's.
    , @Alden
    Don’t bring your hunting rifle to a gun battle. Or your collection of a hundred rifles to a tank battle.
    , @Anonymous
    The Afrikaners have lots of guns but it's not doing them much good as their opponents are just as well armed and much more numerous.
    , @dfordoom

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don’t think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don’t seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.
     
    The government has more and bigger guns than ordinary folk. That was not the case in the late 18th century but it is now. The government has lots and lots and lots of guns and it has lot of loyal servants who will use those guns on anyone who opposes the government. Those servants, the police and the military, are loyal to anyone who is paying them.

    Because the government has infinitely greater firepower than ordinary folk the government can take the guns away from ordinary people any time it wants to. It doesn't do this because it's more advantageous to take away people's freedoms while allowing them to keep their guns. That way the poor dumb bastards won't even notice the disappearance of their actual freedoms.
  109. Two points.

    1) The students are mostly in favor of keeping the murals. This isn’t about more than a handful of students.

    2) Most of the money will be spent on an environmental impact report, not on paint. So don’t think you can price this out by spending an hour at Kelly-Moore.

  110. @Daniel H
    OK, I went over to Sherwin-Williams paint calculator. 1600 square feet, we will need four gallons per coat. Let's say we need two coats, so that's 8 gallons. Lowes sells Valspar Pro ExpressCoat Flat Antique, white latex for 10.98 per gallon. So, all told, we need to spend approximately $88.00 on paint. Double that for drop clots, brushes, rollers, etc we should be able to do this job for about $170 in materials.

    Well, I'm leaving home and going to San Francisco to take up painting.

    https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/try-on-colors/paint-calculator#/quick-calc-interior

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/Valspar-Pro-ExpressCoat-Flat-Antique-White-Latex-Paint-Actual-Net-Contents-128-fl-oz/1000525287

    We can’t leave all those AA Environmental Engineers rotting in their African Students Unions. Environmental Impact Studies are just another name for things they do together.

  111. @SFG
    Wanting to sleep around the way men used to has been a big motivator for many feminists. (The other big one is wanting to make their own money.)

    The catch is, of course, they get annoyed when they get dumped, and decide it's patriarchy, or decide they prefer other women, or both.

    I am convinced that if Western Civ had found a better solution for making masculine women happy we would have avoided a lot of trouble. Oh well, at least it should provide some amusement to the historians in 22nd century Beijing. "And here is how the baizuo wrecked their culture..."

    OT but in the area of revisionist history: I got banned from a site for suggesting this. From USA Today about E. Jean Carroll who alleges that Trump raped her 25 years ago.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/06/27/e-jean-carroll-two-friends-talk-her-alleged-rape-trump/1582453001/

    “Birnbach said she remembers Carroll “laughing” as she told the story. She said repeatedly that Trump pulled down her tights. Birnbach said at first she was laughing, too, but as Carroll continued she stopped, realizing what her friend was describing was rape.”

    Who laughs about being raped? I’m guessing Carroll called her friend to brag about her encounter with Trump. Brinbach who was probably jealous or is a militant feminist convinced Carroll that her consensual encounter was a rape. Trump didn’t even take her out to dinner. You don’t get something for nothing. Carroll probably did not want to appear to be a slut as well when her willing actions were recounted to her by her friend.

  112. @SFG
    Wanting to sleep around the way men used to has been a big motivator for many feminists. (The other big one is wanting to make their own money.)

    The catch is, of course, they get annoyed when they get dumped, and decide it's patriarchy, or decide they prefer other women, or both.

    I am convinced that if Western Civ had found a better solution for making masculine women happy we would have avoided a lot of trouble. Oh well, at least it should provide some amusement to the historians in 22nd century Beijing. "And here is how the baizuo wrecked their culture..."

    I am convinced that if Western Civ had found a better solution for making masculine women happy we would have avoided a lot of trouble.

    Trying to make people happy is doing manhood wrong.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @SFG
    I suppose you're right, though for some reason, the old ways failed.
  113. @Anon
    The 14 photos of the hearing at the San Francisco Chronicle that Steve linked to are worth a look. There is quite an anti-destruction contingent. They look white, reasonably affluent, and their signs suggest a classical liberal view. The burn-it-down contingent includes no or virtually no blacks, a few SJW looking types, maybe college or antifa age, but mostly what look to me like stocky, five-foot Mexican or Central American types. Who are these people?

    Having watched the New York Amazon HQ2 hearings and having done some background research on that, I realize that these hearing are attended by all kinds of crazy people and lots of activists, some having little to do with the issue. Kind of like the protests in Bonfire of the Vanities. But I really wonder who is behind both sides of this issue? It seems like something that should be subject to a public vote by the citizens. Is there a way to may an outcome like that happen?

    Who are these people?

    People who want to live in their own country, not George Washington’s.

  114. @SFG
    Wanting to sleep around the way men used to has been a big motivator for many feminists. (The other big one is wanting to make their own money.)

    The catch is, of course, they get annoyed when they get dumped, and decide it's patriarchy, or decide they prefer other women, or both.

    I am convinced that if Western Civ had found a better solution for making masculine women happy we would have avoided a lot of trouble. Oh well, at least it should provide some amusement to the historians in 22nd century Beijing. "And here is how the baizuo wrecked their culture..."

    We needed to give them a good slap and tell the masculine women to sit down and shut up.

    That would have ended their endless demands before they got started.

  115. OT: The rot continues to spread – this in a tweet from Freyja Erlingsdóttir:

    “In Iceland your last name is determined by your gender; -son for male, -dóttir for female. It is now for the first time legal to have the appellation -bur, “child”, for nonbinary.

    “If I were NB for instance my last name would be Erlingsbur. There you have it!”

  116. @istevefan
    Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

    I sometimes wonder if having the right to bear arms makes us complacent since we think we are protected with that ace-in-the-hole if things ever got bad. You hear guys talking about how things taking place overseas could not happen here because our government would never try that stuff on an armed population. But then you watch as rights, and things we took for granted, are eroded slowly but surely.

    I can't imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual's. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won't take much to flip the court the other way. At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don't think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don't seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.

    I can’t imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual’s. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won’t take much to flip the court the other way. At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?

    That’s why I say that McConnell saved gun rights in America by stopping the anti-gun Garland from getting on the Supreme Court so we could have Gorsuch.

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
    NRO doubtless has “the conservative case for house to house gun confiscation raids” all written up and ready to print.
    , @JMcG
    Well, I believe the rights described in the Bill of Rights are properly understood to be God given, or natural rights which are merely named in the Constitution, not granted. Therefore, any proper conservative would likely ignore any decision to the contrary. Hypothetically, that is.
  117. @Old Palo Altan
    The most sinister aspect of this affair is the unanimous vote by the school board.

    Each member knows the danger of dissent.

    Trump’s answer on the liberalism question was widely derided by the usually suspect, but is sure makes plenty of sense to those paying attention.

  118. @Harry Baldwin
    From the article:

    “Orpah Winfrey describes racism as the everyday wearing down of the soul,” he said. “I thought about tens of thousands of students who had walked by that mural over and over and over again.”
     
    Orpah? I've noticed that newspapers no longer employ proofreaders.

    I experience the everyday wearing down of my soul when I see what progressives are doing to Western civilization, but nobody cares about my feelings.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpah

    Or maybe they meant “Orca”.

  119. @Daniel H
    OK, I went over to Sherwin-Williams paint calculator. 1600 square feet, we will need four gallons per coat. Let's say we need two coats, so that's 8 gallons. Lowes sells Valspar Pro ExpressCoat Flat Antique, white latex for 10.98 per gallon. So, all told, we need to spend approximately $88.00 on paint. Double that for drop clots, brushes, rollers, etc we should be able to do this job for about $170 in materials.

    Well, I'm leaving home and going to San Francisco to take up painting.

    https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/try-on-colors/paint-calculator#/quick-calc-interior

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/Valspar-Pro-ExpressCoat-Flat-Antique-White-Latex-Paint-Actual-Net-Contents-128-fl-oz/1000525287

    Has anyone done an environmental impact statement for the cost of every illegal in a sanctuary city? It certainly must cost more than curtains. Why doesn’t a conservative group sue asserting no impact statement has been done as a result of the sanctuary laws and therefore an injunction is necessary? You have to play their game.

    • Agree: 95Theses
  120. @Anon
    The 14 photos of the hearing at the San Francisco Chronicle that Steve linked to are worth a look. There is quite an anti-destruction contingent. They look white, reasonably affluent, and their signs suggest a classical liberal view. The burn-it-down contingent includes no or virtually no blacks, a few SJW looking types, maybe college or antifa age, but mostly what look to me like stocky, five-foot Mexican or Central American types. Who are these people?

    Having watched the New York Amazon HQ2 hearings and having done some background research on that, I realize that these hearing are attended by all kinds of crazy people and lots of activists, some having little to do with the issue. Kind of like the protests in Bonfire of the Vanities. But I really wonder who is behind both sides of this issue? It seems like something that should be subject to a public vote by the citizens. Is there a way to may an outcome like that happen?

    But are roaming packs of feral lawyers behind this? Peter Brimelow considered the whole MeToo movement more as a “financial mugging.” Induced by the high probability of major payouts. Are these events related to broke (high-debt) SJW lawyers looking for a big score?

  121. @PiltdownMan
    Pity.

    The murals at George Washington High are really nice. I wonder if they're going to paint over all the mural sections.

    https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/41/11/17699422/5/920x920.jpg

    https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/41/11/17699453/5/gallery_xlarge.jpg

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5748a64186db431f09376739/5936e4a08419c23e7ea3fd5a/59fa14b627ef2dc4b491fac4/1510857132697/DSCF0556.jpg

    https://2zwmzkbocl625qdrf2qqqfok-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/WashingtonHighMural.1216.jpg

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5748a64186db431f09376739/5936e4a08419c23e7ea3fd5a/59fa14f56c319480cf301ccf/1510680893340/DSCF0530.jpg

    Wow, I had no idea they were that extensive. I suppose there’s something “problematic” to be found in every one of them.

    But if you want to really see problematic, check out the murals in the lobby of the old San Francisco Post Office (now a food court for the lunchtime office crowd, known as the Rincon Center) down at Mission and Spear. The general theme there is the white man/Anglo conquering California from the Injuns and the Mexicans.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    Arnautoff also painted the pro-worker murals that grace the interior of Coit Tower in San Francisco. The best feature is how the gift shop is incorporated into a painting of a newspaper stand.

    https://www.sftravel.com/sites/sftraveldev.prod.acquia-sites.com/files/styles/sft_1170w/public/field/image/9372122815_64ff316525_o.jpg

    The best murals in San Fracisco are in the old Stock Exchange Tower. Ironically (or perhaps not), the famed communist painter made these murals for the exclusive private lunch club above the San Francisco stock exchange. You can visit them by taking the elevator to the 10th floor. The City Club is technically private so pretend like you belong there. The bar alone is worth a minor trespassing charge.
  122. @Harry Baldwin
    From the article:

    “Orpah Winfrey describes racism as the everyday wearing down of the soul,” he said. “I thought about tens of thousands of students who had walked by that mural over and over and over again.”
     
    Orpah? I've noticed that newspapers no longer employ proofreaders.

    I experience the everyday wearing down of my soul when I see what progressives are doing to Western civilization, but nobody cares about my feelings.

    Didn’t I read many moons ago that Oprah’s given name really was Orpah, but it was misspelled somewhere along the line as she was beginning her career, and she decided to keep the misspelled version. Seriously.

  123. @guest
    https://murfinsandburglars.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/parks-and-rec-the-trial-of-chief-wamapo.jpg

    I like this one.

    One day, I’ll figure out how to upload photos to this site. I’m sure it has something to do with the “Insert MORE Tag.”

    • Replies: @guest
    I simply paste a url in the comment box, and it shows up as the image when I publish.
  124. @Anonymous
    I just wonder when George Washington's name, memory and image will be 'damned and obliterated' - in the ancient Roman sense ?

    After all the man was quite a slave owner.

    Will it be by 2050 or 2100 or 2150?.

    Willing to take all bets - but *surely* it's an *inevitability*.

    They took down a statue of John A. MacDonald in Victoria a little while back. MacDonald was Canada’s first prime minister.

    He didn’t like Injuns or Chinese, so he had to go.

  125. @Daniel H
    OK, I went over to Sherwin-Williams paint calculator. 1600 square feet, we will need four gallons per coat. Let's say we need two coats, so that's 8 gallons. Lowes sells Valspar Pro ExpressCoat Flat Antique, white latex for 10.98 per gallon. So, all told, we need to spend approximately $88.00 on paint. Double that for drop clots, brushes, rollers, etc we should be able to do this job for about $170 in materials.

    Well, I'm leaving home and going to San Francisco to take up painting.

    https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/try-on-colors/paint-calculator#/quick-calc-interior

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/Valspar-Pro-ExpressCoat-Flat-Antique-White-Latex-Paint-Actual-Net-Contents-128-fl-oz/1000525287

    You could probably get the labor for free by all the people who were offended by it. They could organize a Saturday-morning team and get it done a couple of hours.

    We occasionally get graffiti on one of our commercial buildings here in the burbs of Sacramento. We keep paint cans on hand to just go out and roll over it within hours. It discourages the punks who do it because they don’t get to appreciate their handiwork.

    I suppose this would be a good disincentive for future Commie artists who want to paint ugly murals. Incidentally, has Communism ever produced anything beautiful?

  126. @Father O'Hara
    I'll paint it over for 200 bucks,call me.

    So….according to different news news sources Alexander has been mauled in the Tuva region of Russia near the Mongolian border by a bear which broke his back and he had to drink his own urine to stay alive while he was being kept for a future meal by the bears,

    He’s also been found in Sochi on the Black Sea buried alive in a coffin which had been washed out form a cemetery after a heavy rain storm, and now he is in Kazakhstan where he has a chronic and disfiguring skin condition. He’s not having a very good month is he?

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Answers to the name 'Lucky'.
  127. Complaining about a mural that was initially painted to make people feel bad/guilty, in order to make people feel bad/guilty: will the painted-over result be that people feel less guilty overall? Sure, we’ll always have NY Times editorials, but those are so ephemeral.

    I cautiously count this a win, especially if it means that absurd building can stay.

  128. @Dumbo
    There's no more clear indication of America's decadence and loss of can-do attitude that the fact that simply painting over a wall can cost such an astronomical amount of money. No wonder everything is outsourced to the Chinese.
    Also the obsession with destroying any remnant of the past that might remotely appear "racist" is now becoming a form of insanity.
    I don't see what's racist about the mural. Is now simply featuring slaves "racist"?
    Should we deny that slavery ever existed?
    Maybe one of the slaves should have a blond woman on his arm, to promote mixed couples, and then it would be alright?
    Imagine if the Italians started destroying the Colosseum because "Romans were racist and had slaves".
    As demented as Europeans have become, there is still a general respect for the past. At least for now. I'm aware that globalists hate that too.

    The Colosseum was a place of great wickedness and brutality. If the Italians wanted to raze it to the ground, they’d have a better justification than the statues that people have been toppling.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    A lot of Christians were killed in the Colosseum so the Church took care to preserve it as a memorial.
  129. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard
    OT:

    Looks like the USSA has already implemented its own social credit system with less fanfare than our ChiCom friends:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-29/everyones-got-surveillance-score-and-it-can-cost-you-big-money

    everyones-got-surveillance-score-and-it-can-cost-you-big-money

    If it becomes illegal to charge someone “more”, then it is also illegal to charge someone “less”.

    Which takes us back to the fixed ‘fair trade’ pricing.

    https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/reports/resale-price-maintenance-economic-theories-and-empirical-evidence/233105.pdf

    Whenever something has the word “Fair” in its description, look out.

    This is a corollary to the wore “War” used in a non military context. “War on Poverty”, “War on Drugs”

    It’s folded back on itself on the so called “War on Terror”, to include the quasi military, as an euphonium for something that can never be won.

    WW 2 was the last war that had the undesirable trait of ending after it was won.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    Very true, the War on Terror is like the March of Dimes. It just keeps on existing without any real purpose other than making money.
  130. @istevefan
    Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

    I sometimes wonder if having the right to bear arms makes us complacent since we think we are protected with that ace-in-the-hole if things ever got bad. You hear guys talking about how things taking place overseas could not happen here because our government would never try that stuff on an armed population. But then you watch as rights, and things we took for granted, are eroded slowly but surely.

    I can't imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual's. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won't take much to flip the court the other way. At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don't think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don't seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.

    I can’t imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual’s.

    I suppose the first thing will be everyone joining a “militia”, and we fight over what constitutes a militia for decades.

    Eventually, it comes down to how much enforcement; could well be the next illegal immigrant statute.

  131. @bomag

    one camera every 0.133 miles
     
    The cameras would be centered on grids 0.133 miles on a side; walking the diagonals would give the least exposure, which would be around 0.190 miles between cameras. At 20 minutes per mile, one would be (0.190)(20) minutes between cameras; roughly four minutes.

    Alternatively, the cameras could be laid out in an equilateral triangle grid, which gives 0.144 miles between cameras; thus 2.9 minutes walking time.

  132. @Desiderius

    I am convinced that if Western Civ had found a better solution for making masculine women happy we would have avoided a lot of trouble.
     
    Trying to make people happy is doing manhood wrong.

    I suppose you’re right, though for some reason, the old ways failed.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Well yeah, men have been trying to make women happy since the stone age.

    "You can't make someone (else) happy" is a psychiatric standby from way back. Doesn't make it less true. Happens to jive with rediscovery of manhood by online dissidents.
  133. I totally support the removal of Communist propaganda from University walls.

    Ah ah ah, these American leftists are hilarious!

  134. They could have Christo cover it with a curtain and call it a new work of art.

    Christo’s Valley Curtain, 1972, Rifle, Colorado

    • Replies: @Alden
    Cristo ripped off that orange fabric and the gold fabric he draped around NYC from an old Japanese end of winter fiesta. Snow is gone but the ground is muddy trees still leafless. So brighten up the city with gold drapery and have a party I love it.
  135. @istevefan
    Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

    I sometimes wonder if having the right to bear arms makes us complacent since we think we are protected with that ace-in-the-hole if things ever got bad. You hear guys talking about how things taking place overseas could not happen here because our government would never try that stuff on an armed population. But then you watch as rights, and things we took for granted, are eroded slowly but surely.

    I can't imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual's. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won't take much to flip the court the other way. At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don't think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don't seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don’t think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don’t seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.

    You have to actually be ready to use them. Which you’re not, you’re keeping them around because you think they’re scary; somehow you think leftists will buckle down just thinking of these scary objects. (Protip: they won’t, they don’t give the slightest of shits about you or your scary guns.)

    Second point: anything you can do with a gun you can also do with a club or a fist, just slower. If you’re not willing to fight with clubs and fists, what makes you think fancier hardware will help your resolve?

  136. The Left eats its own. Their arguments don’t even make sense any more. Surely a proof of falling IQs.

  137. Leftism is Jim Gaffigan’s granola shtick in policy.
    >hey you need a mural, I know a guy, it’ll be cheap
    [time passes]
    >hey you need a guy to paint over that hideous mural, fortunately for you I know a guy
    Apply also to Spanish-language education for mestizo kids, school busing, mandatory minimum sentencing, etc..

  138. I love art but I question why any mural should be painted. The first presupposition of a mural is a common public space. Those don’t exist any more. The second is a common belief system (hence, the popularity of murals among commies). Murals require donated permanent space and they need future onlookers to not hate them — you can move a painting you don’t like, but unpopular murals get destroyed. With MSPaint (or a better art program) you can make an image bigger and more detailed than any mural that ever existed, and it requires no space donation, and it can be seen instantly by everyone on Earth.

  139. @guest
    https://murfinsandburglars.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/parks-and-rec-the-trial-of-chief-wamapo.jpg

    I like this one.

    My lol of the day thus far — looks like a scene out of F Troop!

  140. @guest
    https://murfinsandburglars.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/parks-and-rec-the-trial-of-chief-wamapo.jpg

    I like this one.

    The American concept of a fair fight. “He should have untied and armed himself.”

  141. @Anonymous
    The school board had better tread carefully. Almost all states have public art preservation statutes that govern the alteration or removal of public art. It may not be legal to destroy the mural without approval from the state commission that regulates public art.

    Also, the artist's estate may still hold the copyright in the work. Destroying it without permission could subject the school district to damages.

    Those preservation statutes sadly don’t seem to be helping save Confederate statues

  142. I’ve noticed this increasingly: no blasphemy against the Diverse will be permitted, even if it was clearly intended as a backhanded swipe against yt. Exhibit B: the triggering of my woke fwb at the series Deadwood at its rank racism and misogyny. It is always amusing to watch oldish media that was ‘progressive’ for its day and think of all the ways it would be castigated by the woke today.

  143. @Arclight
    This definitely plays a role - when I was young and attending a diverse and vibrant public school, there was a lot of debate between black students about who was 'real' versus not 100% black, some of it centered around their skin tone.

    Also worth mentioning with Curry though is that a lot of NBA players grew up in genuinely tough circumstances, and Curry was a rich kid, so on top of his color he no doubt had a childhood that 99% of the kids in this country couldn't touch.

    His b-ball hoops actually had nets

  144. In a side note on racist hate crimes, the fourth at Churchill Friday was taken by a horse named Noose — now how did that ever get past the jockey club approval board?

  145. @istevefan
    Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

    I sometimes wonder if having the right to bear arms makes us complacent since we think we are protected with that ace-in-the-hole if things ever got bad. You hear guys talking about how things taking place overseas could not happen here because our government would never try that stuff on an armed population. But then you watch as rights, and things we took for granted, are eroded slowly but surely.

    I can't imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual's. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won't take much to flip the court the other way. At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don't think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don't seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.

    Rather, power extends from the mouth of a megaphone. No need to shoot anyone when you can violate and dominate their minds through relentless media bombardment.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    It would appear so.
  146. Couldn’t the school district just pass out spray-paint cans to the students and get it covered over with graffiti a lot cheaper? Do juvenile delinquents still even tag walls with graffiti? Or are they too busy playing with their phones?

    • Replies: @Anon
    Phones. Nobody graffitis anymore. Seriously.
  147. @SFG
    I suppose you're right, though for some reason, the old ways failed.

    Well yeah, men have been trying to make women happy since the stone age.

    “You can’t make someone (else) happy” is a psychiatric standby from way back. Doesn’t make it less true. Happens to jive with rediscovery of manhood by online dissidents.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    jibe, not jive as in jive talking by the Bee Gees
  148. @istevefan
    Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

    I sometimes wonder if having the right to bear arms makes us complacent since we think we are protected with that ace-in-the-hole if things ever got bad. You hear guys talking about how things taking place overseas could not happen here because our government would never try that stuff on an armed population. But then you watch as rights, and things we took for granted, are eroded slowly but surely.

    I can't imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual's. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won't take much to flip the court the other way. At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don't think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don't seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.

    I can’t imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual’s. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won’t take much to flip the court the other way.

    True. Apparently, all it will take is for John Roberts to change his mind.

    At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?

    I once heard someone put it pretty succinctly. The 2nd amendment states that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. If I had a right yesterday, and I don’t have that right today, then that right has been infringed. I.e., if the Supreme Court decides that the 2nd amendment doesn’t mean what it has always meant, then that ruling is neither legal nor constitutional, no matter what nine people in robes say.

    I agree with all you say. We are well on the way to losing our liberties as assuredly as Europe and the anglophone world is. In some areas, we are ahead of them in that loss. And “Muh Constitution” is not going to protect us.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    That conservatives still ascribe any legitimacy to the courts is utterly beyond me.
  149. “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun” only if you are willing to use it. The Left is more prone to violence than the Right. Even in WW II, it was the communists in France that were most willing to fight the Nazi occupiers and communists in Malaysia who fought the Japanese. Leftists are animated by anger and a resentment of the status quo. By nature, people on the right are more law abiding and respectful of authority. They may be more dangerous when violent because of military experience and/or familiarity with firearms, but they are less prone to lash out.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    That’s been rather upended by the fact that the left is now the establishment itself.
    , @nebulafox
    The Communists only fought the Nazis after June of 1941. Kind of late to prevent German occupation.

    If French Communists had been a little more loyal to Paris than to a foreign power, then a lot of the political troubles-that would eventually infect their military-that France had in the 1930s wouldn't have been so severe.

    As for Malaysia, the Communists insurgency there had heavy ethnic Chinese overtone-which meant the Malays disproportionately remained loyal to the British. It wasn't matter of submissiveness and abiding to the law so much as that the Malays had few illusions about the fate of their religion and culture in a de facto satellite of the newly established PRC. The experience of the Japanese occupation and its targeting of the Chinese for special "treatment" did leave its mark, but I'd say the racial tensions went back before that.

    , @whiskey
    Leftists and Rightists, which is in turn a bad nomenclature, will fight with different intensity for different things at different times.

    During much of the Twentieth Century the Left was the lean and hungry types, hoping to seize power absolutely from what was essentially the lower nobility/ruling caste. And the right was the establishment.

    Now, the Left IS the man. They are into hunting down survivors in the weeds. Always dangerous for the victor, see Custer, and various other defeats as the cavalry over pursued.

    The Right WILL fight, when fleeing becomes impossible, and Negro Worship is ended. Much of what passes for civic religion is as the late Larry Auster (sadly missed) noted, worship of Black people instead of Christ. Unlike Christ, worship of Black people make no inconvenient demands on sexual conduct, on piety, on tithing, of worship and ceremony. Its a cheap and easy feelz religion that anyone and everyone can do, with a healthy dose of "I'm better than my ancestors and certainly my déclassé cousin."

    Already the right is fighting, in France, where the diversity tax is so high it threatens people's ability to live. Its happening here with the constant gas tax rises (up six cents on the July 1) to pay for free health care for illegals. If Trump is smart (always doubtful) he will frame the election as Democrats will take all your money to give free health care to illegals with no limits on illegals with open borders, and take all your belongings to give to Oprah, LeBron, and OJ for Black Reparations and Rosie O'Donnell and Buttigig for Gay Reparations.

    I consider myself a Christian, though in dire need of God's Grace and Mercy, certainly. But I'd have no problems having every brown kid in Latin America drown in the Rio Grande if it means I am not sleeping under a bridge while WORKING.
    , @Lot
    “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun”

    I heard that in Leonard Nimoy’s voice.

    https://levelskip.com/strategy/civ4quotes
    , @Justvisiting

    By nature, people on the right are more law abiding and respectful of authority. They may be more dangerous when violent because of military experience and/or familiarity with firearms, but they are less prone to lash out.
     
    Excellent point--and that is why it will be conservative's fault if/(imho when) a future US Civil War breaks out--they will have remained civil and "tolerant" of abuse after abuse after abuse until the straw finally breaks the camel's back.

    An anti-second amendment Supreme Court decision (discussed in this thread) might do it, but I suspect it would be the rounding up of white rural gun owners and tossing them in jail (in _very_ large numbers and in conservative states) that would be more likely to do it, particularly if there was a double standard and urban minority gangs were not targeted.
  150. @Steve Sailer
    A Stalin-sent hit squad led by a famous painter shot up Rivera's house with submachine guns trying to kill Trotsky, but missed. I think maybe they killed one of Trotsky's grandchildren.

    But after Trotsky got icepicked, Rivera and Kahlo decided it was a good idea to announce that they'd been for murdering Trotsky.

    The painter was David Siqueiros. Many years later, he was beaten up by some Trotskiites in Cuba.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pg2np37JNEg

  151. @guest
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/39/3f/ca393f5ddf6df74ff6bbfbf38dcc1939.jpg

    The sacrficial victim looks like Tulsi Gabbard, and the priest like Kamala Harris.

  152. To be fair, it is a really quite lulzy mural.

  153. What if all these public school moral scandals are really attempts to scam the system? This $1m to cover a smallish wall with primer is as the blog post points out a scam.

    But thinking about the ‘movement’ to make Stuyvesant woke by eliminating the entry test, I think that is a scam too. My theory: The NYC educational deep state is saying, if you want your, often Asian, kid ensconced in their protective bubble it will cost you. We want extra janitors, meal service personnel, ect. and nothing happens to your kid. The silly (Chinese?) parents and kids that showed up to the town hall meeting were foolish having bought into the theory that unlike other places (China?) Norman Rockwell promised them Freedom of Speech, or whatever they were thinking.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Speech_(painting)

    The NYC educational deep state started with Albert Shanker and the Ocean Hill Brownsville teachers strike. Steve Sailor and Woody Allen have a theory that I believe implies neo-con zero was Albert Shanker.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Shanker

    • Replies: @Clyde

    The NYC educational deep state started with Albert Shanker and the Ocean Hill Brownsville teachers strike. Steve Sailor and Woody Allen have a theory that I believe implies neo-con zero was Albert Shanker.
     
    You are right on Shanker./
  154. @Harry Baldwin
    "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" only if you are willing to use it. The Left is more prone to violence than the Right. Even in WW II, it was the communists in France that were most willing to fight the Nazi occupiers and communists in Malaysia who fought the Japanese. Leftists are animated by anger and a resentment of the status quo. By nature, people on the right are more law abiding and respectful of authority. They may be more dangerous when violent because of military experience and/or familiarity with firearms, but they are less prone to lash out.

    That’s been rather upended by the fact that the left is now the establishment itself.

  155. [Off topic] Some of us noticed that Tucker Carlson’s June 27th section had a nod to Steve Sailer.

    https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2019/06/27/tucker-carlson-calls-cory-booker-one-two-whitest-candidates-stage-and-warns-democrats-could-ban/224080

    “The whole thing was like a cartoon, or an Evelyn Waugh novel.” [00:02]

    How many American conservatives ever talk about Waugh? Only one, and that’s our good host.

    Which novel, anyway?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    How many American conservatives ever talk about Waugh?

    Lots. William F. Buckley did the intros for the American telecast of Brideshead Revisited on PBS.

  156. Agree and heartily endorse! Too many men think that because they’ve got an AR-15 and a thousand rounds of ammunition in the basement that tyranny will never happen in the U.S. They’ll all be picked off one by one. The unarmed Gilets Jaune movement in France, at its height, put more fear into the globalist Macron government than the NRA ever has into the Deep State.

  157. I’m reminded of what the Ottoman Turks did after they conquered Constantinople in 1453. They were impressed by the artistic merit of the mosaics on the wall of Hagia Sophia, but they couldn’t keep such idolatry in the public view. So rather than destroy them, they put whitewash over them. After Turkey’s secularization under Kemal Ataturk, the whitewash was partially removed and the mosaics can once again be viewed.

    The desire to destroy the murals indicates that there is now a new religion in charge, and anything reminding people of the old religion has to be destroyed. The only difference is that the mosaics in Hagia Sophia had a thousand times the artistic merit of the mural in that San Francisco high school.

  158. Painting it won’t work. The racism will still be there under the surface causing harm to the psyches of PoC through the invisible wave/particles that transmit “systemic racism.” No. The building itself must be destroyed and ground into dust which can buried with similar radioactive waste in Nevada.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Its like radioactive radon gas coming up from the rocks. This may be a missing part of the Grand Unified Theory of Tragic/Magic Dirt.
  159. @Harry Baldwin
    "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" only if you are willing to use it. The Left is more prone to violence than the Right. Even in WW II, it was the communists in France that were most willing to fight the Nazi occupiers and communists in Malaysia who fought the Japanese. Leftists are animated by anger and a resentment of the status quo. By nature, people on the right are more law abiding and respectful of authority. They may be more dangerous when violent because of military experience and/or familiarity with firearms, but they are less prone to lash out.

    The Communists only fought the Nazis after June of 1941. Kind of late to prevent German occupation.

    If French Communists had been a little more loyal to Paris than to a foreign power, then a lot of the political troubles-that would eventually infect their military-that France had in the 1930s wouldn’t have been so severe.

    As for Malaysia, the Communists insurgency there had heavy ethnic Chinese overtone-which meant the Malays disproportionately remained loyal to the British. It wasn’t matter of submissiveness and abiding to the law so much as that the Malays had few illusions about the fate of their religion and culture in a de facto satellite of the newly established PRC. The experience of the Japanese occupation and its targeting of the Chinese for special “treatment” did leave its mark, but I’d say the racial tensions went back before that.

    • Replies: @Alden
    I read a book once about the French communists and how they helped the Germans conquer France during the Hitler Stalin pact.

    One example; Retreating French regiment officers looked at the map and realized there was only one bridge over a deep wide river for about 30 miles. So if they blew up the bridge after they crossed it would greatly delay the German advance

    Town government was heavily communist To prevent blowing up the bridge the women and children occupied the bridge. So the French officers let it be and waited on the other side for the Germans

    Book made it very clear town didn’t object to inconvenience of not having a bridge but to the fact that it would hinder the German advance

    In the 1930s the Air Force was new and French communists made a great effort to join the Air Force.

    There were other incidents of communist sergeants purposely confusing information to officers, sending troops down the wrong road etc.

    The so called French resistance was heavily communist as was the Italian and E European ones. Goal; take over the post war government tactic; spot potential non communist leaders and kill them as the war ended leaving nothing but communists to form the post war government
    , @Harry Baldwin
    The Communists only fought the Nazis after June of 1941. Kind of late to prevent German occupation.

    While true, that's not relevant to my point. The point is that they were willing to fight more than the average French citizen.
  160. @petit bourgeois
    Trotsky left a lasting impression upon the halls of academe. I shit you not, the Trostkyites still have a student group across the bay at UC Berkeley, an open air asylum.

    What’s the racial/ethnic composition?

  161. @sanjoaquinsam
    In my opinion, all commie murals should be painted over. If the disgusting leftists of San Francisco want to waste hundreds of thousands of dollars in the process of doing my bidding, who am I to complain.

    Gravy on top if a few White blue-collar painters get paid in the process.

    Can we convince the SJWs that Noam Chomsky is racist, so that they’ll burn all the copies of “Peoples’ History of the United States.”

    • Replies: @njguy73
    Howard Zinn wrote People's History. Chomsky wrote Manufacturing Consent.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    That was Howard Zinn.
  162. @Hypnotoad666
    Painting it won't work. The racism will still be there under the surface causing harm to the psyches of PoC through the invisible wave/particles that transmit "systemic racism." No. The building itself must be destroyed and ground into dust which can buried with similar radioactive waste in Nevada.

    Its like radioactive radon gas coming up from the rocks. This may be a missing part of the Grand Unified Theory of Tragic/Magic Dirt.

  163. @Clyde
    I posted this a few days ago______I did not know for sure about the WPA angle but turns out I was right.
    __________________

    If it’s white, it just ain’t right.
    Obviously the white history denigrating, denying numpties were not happy enough with tearing down old Confederate war memorial statues and painting over exquisite murals of George Washington, that were probably painted as part of FDR’s socialist WPA. Happening in a California school

    Thanks Steve. Damn right this was a communist FDR series of murals

    Thanks Steve. Damn right this was a communist FDR series of murals

    My own pet hypothesis is that he put Japanese-Americans into those camps to protect them from his own voters. A Somali-style street dismemberment would have been terrible PR in the “Good War”.

    • Replies: @Lot
    When a downed Japanese pilot landed on a small Hawaiian island after Pearl Harbor, the local native Hawaiians captured him, but then local Japanese-Americans freed him and took hostages.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident

    The best word on the topic is Michelle Malkin:

    https://www.conservativebookclub.com/book/defense-internment

    And of course German minorities in Central and Eastern Europe were very welcoming to German troops.
  164. If I’m not mistaken, the guys in blue seem to be saying “Hands up. Don’t shoot.”

    • Replies: @95Theses
    HA! Great catch!
  165. @Anon
    The 14 photos of the hearing at the San Francisco Chronicle that Steve linked to are worth a look. There is quite an anti-destruction contingent. They look white, reasonably affluent, and their signs suggest a classical liberal view. The burn-it-down contingent includes no or virtually no blacks, a few SJW looking types, maybe college or antifa age, but mostly what look to me like stocky, five-foot Mexican or Central American types. Who are these people?

    Having watched the New York Amazon HQ2 hearings and having done some background research on that, I realize that these hearing are attended by all kinds of crazy people and lots of activists, some having little to do with the issue. Kind of like the protests in Bonfire of the Vanities. But I really wonder who is behind both sides of this issue? It seems like something that should be subject to a public vote by the citizens. Is there a way to may an outcome like that happen?

  166. @Arclight
    This definitely plays a role - when I was young and attending a diverse and vibrant public school, there was a lot of debate between black students about who was 'real' versus not 100% black, some of it centered around their skin tone.

    Also worth mentioning with Curry though is that a lot of NBA players grew up in genuinely tough circumstances, and Curry was a rich kid, so on top of his color he no doubt had a childhood that 99% of the kids in this country couldn't touch.

    I think Steve has done some posts on this but NBA players tend to skew more middle class.

    https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/6777581/importance-athlete-background-making-nba

  167. res says:
    @Anonymous
    The school board had better tread carefully. Almost all states have public art preservation statutes that govern the alteration or removal of public art. It may not be legal to destroy the mural without approval from the state commission that regulates public art.

    Also, the artist's estate may still hold the copyright in the work. Destroying it without permission could subject the school district to damages.

    This looks like a relevant discussion: https://laist.com/2019/04/23/metro_admits_to_painting_over_historic_la_mural.php

    The mural was protected by the 1990 Visual Artists Rights Act, which was designed to shelter recognized public art from damage, destruction or defacement

    But they do go on to say:

    In accordance with the Visual Artists Rights Act, Baca should have received a 90-day notice if there was a plan to remove the mural

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Artists_Rights_Act

    Not sure if the artist having been dead for 40 years makes a difference. Some more about the murals and artist:
    https://livingnewdeal.org/tag/victor-arnautoff/

  168. Now this is a mural:

    • Replies: @anon
    That is wonderful.
    , @Desiderius
    Here's a fun one:

    https://flic.kr/p/5d8L7i

    From Camp Washington, OH; near where Crosley Field used to be.
  169. @Hypnotoad666
    Can we convince the SJWs that Noam Chomsky is racist, so that they'll burn all the copies of "Peoples' History of the United States."

    Howard Zinn wrote People’s History. Chomsky wrote Manufacturing Consent.

  170. Anonymous [AKA "commentboi"] says:
    @Clyde
    Yeah replace these George Washington murals with something more Mexican appropriate. Such as Aztec priests cutting out captured warrior's hearts with obsidian knives and raising them to their blood thirsting sun god.

    The removal Christianity as the core of morality has bought back literal human sacrofice, infantcide and a eunic class..

    • Replies: @Clyde

    The removal Christianity as the core of morality has bought back literal human sacrofice, infantcide and a eunic class..
     
    Indeed! Now we are in the era of invent your own morality. Good parents have trouble passing down virtues because the schools and children's peer groups work against them. Internet and smart phones= 24 hour access to the www and messages and emails=atomize, destroy and you must consume stupid shit.
  171. @Hypnotoad666
    Can we convince the SJWs that Noam Chomsky is racist, so that they'll burn all the copies of "Peoples' History of the United States."

    That was Howard Zinn.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Chomsky - defames our foreign policy
    Zinn - defames our domestic policy

    Zinn - discovered by leftards in sophomore year
    Chomsky - senior year
    , @Desiderius
    Zinners in the hands of an angry God.
  172. @Harry Baldwin
    "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" only if you are willing to use it. The Left is more prone to violence than the Right. Even in WW II, it was the communists in France that were most willing to fight the Nazi occupiers and communists in Malaysia who fought the Japanese. Leftists are animated by anger and a resentment of the status quo. By nature, people on the right are more law abiding and respectful of authority. They may be more dangerous when violent because of military experience and/or familiarity with firearms, but they are less prone to lash out.

    Leftists and Rightists, which is in turn a bad nomenclature, will fight with different intensity for different things at different times.

    During much of the Twentieth Century the Left was the lean and hungry types, hoping to seize power absolutely from what was essentially the lower nobility/ruling caste. And the right was the establishment.

    Now, the Left IS the man. They are into hunting down survivors in the weeds. Always dangerous for the victor, see Custer, and various other defeats as the cavalry over pursued.

    The Right WILL fight, when fleeing becomes impossible, and Negro Worship is ended. Much of what passes for civic religion is as the late Larry Auster (sadly missed) noted, worship of Black people instead of Christ. Unlike Christ, worship of Black people make no inconvenient demands on sexual conduct, on piety, on tithing, of worship and ceremony. Its a cheap and easy feelz religion that anyone and everyone can do, with a healthy dose of “I’m better than my ancestors and certainly my déclassé cousin.”

    Already the right is fighting, in France, where the diversity tax is so high it threatens people’s ability to live. Its happening here with the constant gas tax rises (up six cents on the July 1) to pay for free health care for illegals. If Trump is smart (always doubtful) he will frame the election as Democrats will take all your money to give free health care to illegals with no limits on illegals with open borders, and take all your belongings to give to Oprah, LeBron, and OJ for Black Reparations and Rosie O’Donnell and Buttigig for Gay Reparations.

    I consider myself a Christian, though in dire need of God’s Grace and Mercy, certainly. But I’d have no problems having every brown kid in Latin America drown in the Rio Grande if it means I am not sleeping under a bridge while WORKING.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    I hope you’re correct about whites fighting when there’s no more room to run.
  173. @Old Palo Altan
    I take your point to be that even with the firearms (here in Britain the populace really is totally disarmed) we are going to stand helplessly by as first our culture and then we ourselves are eliminated.

    And, based upon the level of (non) resistance so far, who's to say you are wrong?

    Who would have thought in 1865 when Russia had just got around to freeing the serfs… that in fifty years they’d be executing the czars family down to the dog.

    Things can change a LOT in what seems like a short span of time. Don’t despair yet. There will be plenty of time for that if it comes to it.

  174. You’re right. I guess all 80-year old America-hating Marxists are the same to me.

  175. @Harry Baldwin
    From the article:

    “Orpah Winfrey describes racism as the everyday wearing down of the soul,” he said. “I thought about tens of thousands of students who had walked by that mural over and over and over again.”
     
    Orpah? I've noticed that newspapers no longer employ proofreaders.

    I experience the everyday wearing down of my soul when I see what progressives are doing to Western civilization, but nobody cares about my feelings.

    My soul is down to the nub. The nub!

  176. Off topic

    In his latest San Francisco Examiner column, politician Willie Brown stated that after observing the debates he believes that no Democrat candidate can win against Trump. We’ll see if he’s right.

    I know many think Trump has been a total failure. I gave up hope of a pro White President long ago. But I hope Trump wins just to see the people who hate me and mine explode again.

    • Replies: @res
    Actually not that off topic given that he also comments on the murals in the column.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/williesworld/article/Bad-news-for-Democrats-none-of-these-14059874.php

    Historical note: The San Francisco school board’s vote to paint over the mural of our first president that has long adorned George Washington High School is a bit ironic.

    The artist, Victor Arnautoff, was a Depression-era Communist who subversively portrayed “the father of our country” as a slave-owning Indian killer. But that completely sails over the head of a school district that now teaches those very facts in the classroom.

    But I admit, I have a reason for opposing such revisionist history. It’s personal with me. I know that when I finally pass from this world, my namesakes — be it the Willie L. Brown Jr. Bridge or Willie L. Brown Jr. Middle School — will be the first to be rebranded.
     
    , @anonymous

    Willie Brown stated that after observing the debates he believes that no Democrat candidate can win against Trump.
     
    Not even his former piece, Kamala??
    , @MBlanc46
    It’s certainly possible to have next to zero confidence that Trump will accomplish anything, or even try to accomplish anything, and also prefer his re-election to the election of any Dem by orders of magnitude.
  177. @Steve Sailer
    A Stalin-sent hit squad led by a famous painter shot up Rivera's house with submachine guns trying to kill Trotsky, but missed. I think maybe they killed one of Trotsky's grandchildren.

    But after Trotsky got icepicked, Rivera and Kahlo decided it was a good idea to announce that they'd been for murdering Trotsky.

    Trotsky’s grandson, Esteban Volkov, was slightly wounded during that attack (led by Diego Rivera’s fellow muralist David Alfaro Siqueiros), but he survived. He is still alive today. His daughter, Nora Volkow, is the current director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) in the states. Here he recounts the incident:

  178. If you’re in San Francisco and want to see examples if WPA communist art, there is one in Coit Tower a major tourist attraction It’s very Soviet. Coit family was extremely wealthy, epitome of evil capitalists and communist art was later put in their tower. I assume it’s still there.

    Beach Chalet, 1000 Great Highway is another. Great Highway is also US 1 and Pacific coast highway. It’s on the Sunset side of the park.

    Beach chalet used to be a working man’s bar, full of the well paid White union construction workers and their stay at home wives who lived in the sunset and Richmond No more, now it’s an expensive tourist trap but the food is delicious picnic tables in the park.

    Wish I could remember more. We always called the WOA murals the communist murals

  179. @istevefan
    Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

    I sometimes wonder if having the right to bear arms makes us complacent since we think we are protected with that ace-in-the-hole if things ever got bad. You hear guys talking about how things taking place overseas could not happen here because our government would never try that stuff on an armed population. But then you watch as rights, and things we took for granted, are eroded slowly but surely.

    I can't imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual's. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won't take much to flip the court the other way. At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don't think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don't seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.

    A citizen’s militia armed with firearms would have been scary for the government up until the mid-1800’s. Today, in order to to overthrow a government you need more than handguns and rifles: you need an aviation, drones, heavy artillery, armored vehicles, missiles, nukes, etc.
    So basically, the US population is as powerless as the UK’s.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Today, in order to to overthrow a government you need more than handguns and rifles: you need an aviation, drones, heavy artillery, armored vehicles, missiles, nukes, etc.
     
    Good PR and/or foreign assistance can also be useful.
    , @Hunsdon
    Ho Chi Minh told me that that's a cool story.
  180. @anon
    A left wing artist paints a left wing mural and angry left wing radicals want it destroyed because it is right wing. And it will cost$875K to deface the third rate art work. And they will spend weeks of meeting time arguing loudly about it. And it will all pale in importance to smashing another Robert E Lee statue, which is their supreme act of virtue and courage.
    Can't we just beat these people and move on?

    Can’t we just beat these people and move on?

    Sure.

    But that means actually doing it.

    Either:
    — win elections with actual conservatives willing to push on through their resistance
    or
    — win elections and force separation
    or
    — have a civil war and kill them.

    They are incredibly well imbedded in every nook and cranny. And they are useless eaters with no other prospect of earning a living–much less a very comfortable one with the psychic rewards of bossing you around. So they aren’t going easy.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Conservatives are not pro White. They’ve lost on every issue since 1956. The big medium and small business community is solidly behind affirmative action and unlimited immigration of non Whites for every job from doctor to dishwasher

    Conservatives loathe traditional marriage and family because married people with children want a living wage so as to support themselves and kids in reasonable comfort.

    20 or more Indian or Chinese computer coolie families crowded into a 3 bedroom house. Hispanic families supported on welfare living in government housing free day care is what conservatives want

    They don’t want us with our demands for a living wage and reasonable working hours
  181. @nebulafox
    The Communists only fought the Nazis after June of 1941. Kind of late to prevent German occupation.

    If French Communists had been a little more loyal to Paris than to a foreign power, then a lot of the political troubles-that would eventually infect their military-that France had in the 1930s wouldn't have been so severe.

    As for Malaysia, the Communists insurgency there had heavy ethnic Chinese overtone-which meant the Malays disproportionately remained loyal to the British. It wasn't matter of submissiveness and abiding to the law so much as that the Malays had few illusions about the fate of their religion and culture in a de facto satellite of the newly established PRC. The experience of the Japanese occupation and its targeting of the Chinese for special "treatment" did leave its mark, but I'd say the racial tensions went back before that.

    I read a book once about the French communists and how they helped the Germans conquer France during the Hitler Stalin pact.

    One example; Retreating French regiment officers looked at the map and realized there was only one bridge over a deep wide river for about 30 miles. So if they blew up the bridge after they crossed it would greatly delay the German advance

    Town government was heavily communist To prevent blowing up the bridge the women and children occupied the bridge. So the French officers let it be and waited on the other side for the Germans

    Book made it very clear town didn’t object to inconvenience of not having a bridge but to the fact that it would hinder the German advance

    In the 1930s the Air Force was new and French communists made a great effort to join the Air Force.

    There were other incidents of communist sergeants purposely confusing information to officers, sending troops down the wrong road etc.

    The so called French resistance was heavily communist as was the Italian and E European ones. Goal; take over the post war government tactic; spot potential non communist leaders and kill them as the war ended leaving nothing but communists to form the post war government

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    The Weimar Republic gets all the headlines for obvious reasons, but most countries in Europe had some deeply serious political issues after WWI. The Great Depression just made matters worse, but there was a sense from the get-go that the postwar Wilsonian democratic order that rose from the ashes was artificial, senseless, and not worth defending. Few would.

    Some, like Italy, Hungary, or Poland, quickly became right-wing dictatorships in the response to the-very real-Bolshevik threat. Others, like France, were divided down the middle between the Communists and the Fascists: and would remain so up until WWII. France's military did its best, but it reflected its own deeply divided society: when the head is ill, the limbs unavoidably suffer. Even England was not immune to the general feeling of malaise and social unrest.

    The only real victor in WWI was the United States, put bluntly. Russia, for its part, would remain in a state of civil war and chaos until well into the 1920s-and though it would claim superpower status along with the USA after 1945, the repeated societal and demographic calamities that befell it between 1914 and 1945 (and even before then... late 1800s and early 1900s Russia was not a fun place, with terrorism being so common that bomb making manuals were found in even the humblest villages) did as much as anything to lead to the collapse to the USSR. The USA is a very lucky country. I have a bad feeling we've been running off that luck for too long and when it runs out, we won't be able to cope.

    WWI just permanently wrecked Europe, above all psychologically. There's no other way of saying it. That's the moment the bourgeois age became forfeit, even if it'd take a quarter century more to die totally.

    , @dfordoom

    The so called French resistance was heavily communist
     
    Churchill's enthusiastic support for such "resistance" movements was one of his many catastrophic blunders.
  182. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Thanks Steve. Damn right this was a communist FDR series of murals
     
    My own pet hypothesis is that he put Japanese-Americans into those camps to protect them from his own voters. A Somali-style street dismemberment would have been terrible PR in the "Good War".

    When a downed Japanese pilot landed on a small Hawaiian island after Pearl Harbor, the local native Hawaiians captured him, but then local Japanese-Americans freed him and took hostages.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident

    The best word on the topic is Michelle Malkin:

    https://www.conservativebookclub.com/book/defense-internment

    And of course German minorities in Central and Eastern Europe were very welcoming to German troops.

    • Replies: @CAL2
    Magic: The Untold Story gives a lot of background material on the intel the US government was collecting. The Japanese were planning on running a full scale espionage and sabotage campaign in the US. They expected to use the vast number of Japanese organizations in the country. It was realistic considering the actions of Japanese nationals and their descendants in the Philippines and China.

    The US army would have been happy with simply excluding the Japanese from critical areas. The problem was the Japanese were clustered around critical areas and there were so many of those areas on the West coast, nothing was feasible.

    Another thing, people like to point out that Hoover said it wasn't necessary. The problem there is the FBI had done horribly in WWI with several people of German heritage committing sabotage. No one was taking the chance on the FBI this time around.

    Finally, the exclusion order didn't force people into camps. They could move anywhere into the interior of the country. For most though, that wasn't possible because they didn't really know anyone.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    I generally like Michelle, but a Pilipina's view of the Japanese is bound to be, shall we say, colored.

    And why the hell was Minoru Yamasaki designing bunkers for the US Army? That alone puts the official story under question.
  183. If you’re in San Francisco and want to see WPA communist murals, here’s 2

    Coit Tower major tourist attraction. The mural is very very Soviet. Coit family very wealthy epitome of evil capitalist hated by commies. But the commie mural is a big attraction I assume it’s still there. Maybe some liberals will get all angry at those big strong White men in work clothes using tools. Racist White privilege !!!!!!
    Another is Beach Chalet 1000 Great Highway Great Highway is also US 1 and Pacific Coast Highway Subset side of the park. Used to be a great working man’s bar full of well paid White union workers and the wives they could afford to keep at home. All Richmond Sunset district locals

    Now it’s a tourist trap but the food is excellent. Picknic tables in the park. If you have kids bring a ball so they can run around The neighborhood is now solid Chinese but you don’t see the locals there much. Probably too busy working 100 hours a week in their illegal chicken slaughter house in the garage.

    I wish I could remember more.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Coit Tower major tourist attraction.

    Same painter.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    Coit Tower major tourist attraction
     
    Is there a corresponding Coitus Tower?

    Actually, I think that's in Tallahassee.


    https://wtfflorida.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/florida-state-capitol-cock-balls.jpg
  184. @Desiderius
    Well yeah, men have been trying to make women happy since the stone age.

    "You can't make someone (else) happy" is a psychiatric standby from way back. Doesn't make it less true. Happens to jive with rediscovery of manhood by online dissidents.

    jibe, not jive as in jive talking by the Bee Gees

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Now that you mention it I believe you are correct. How dissappointing. I may just continue using jive and take the status hit.
  185. @International Jew
    Wow, I had no idea they were that extensive. I suppose there's something "problematic" to be found in every one of them.

    But if you want to really see problematic, check out the murals in the lobby of the old San Francisco Post Office (now a food court for the lunchtime office crowd, known as the Rincon Center) down at Mission and Spear. The general theme there is the white man/Anglo conquering California from the Injuns and the Mexicans.

    Arnautoff also painted the pro-worker murals that grace the interior of Coit Tower in San Francisco. The best feature is how the gift shop is incorporated into a painting of a newspaper stand.

    The best murals in San Fracisco are in the old Stock Exchange Tower. Ironically (or perhaps not), the famed communist painter made these murals for the exclusive private lunch club above the San Francisco stock exchange. You can visit them by taking the elevator to the 10th floor. The City Club is technically private so pretend like you belong there. The bar alone is worth a minor trespassing charge.

    • Replies: @Lot
    I’ve seen the Coit Tower ones. Not horrible, but the quality is more appropriate for a public school wall.

    For $800,000 they could hire Jeff Koons to paint some delightful balloon dogs.
  186. Lot says:
    @guest
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/39/3f/ca393f5ddf6df74ff6bbfbf38dcc1939.jpg

    When a new temple was dedicated, the human sacrifices were often in the thousands. Similar to Christian saints days calendars, the Aztecs had a different human sacrifice for every day of the year. Monday, cut out the hearts of captured warriors. Tuesday, drown their children, Wednesday, dance wearing the skins of flayed people etc.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture

    [Rejoinder by Ron Unz: This is nothing but Jewish/Spanish propaganda. Aztecs dindu nutten, or if they did the sacrificed people had it coming. Also, their modern descendants are the sweetest, most peaceful people in the world, and their IQ will be the same as white Americans with good education and nutrition.]

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Brilliant rejoinder by fake R Unz
    At their peak year the Aztecs human sacrificed 20,000 or so per year....tearing out their hearts. Apocalypto style. Though that movie is an Aztec-Mayan mashup/
  187. @Clifford Brown
    Arnautoff also painted the pro-worker murals that grace the interior of Coit Tower in San Francisco. The best feature is how the gift shop is incorporated into a painting of a newspaper stand.

    https://www.sftravel.com/sites/sftraveldev.prod.acquia-sites.com/files/styles/sft_1170w/public/field/image/9372122815_64ff316525_o.jpg

    The best murals in San Fracisco are in the old Stock Exchange Tower. Ironically (or perhaps not), the famed communist painter made these murals for the exclusive private lunch club above the San Francisco stock exchange. You can visit them by taking the elevator to the 10th floor. The City Club is technically private so pretend like you belong there. The bar alone is worth a minor trespassing charge.

    I’ve seen the Coit Tower ones. Not horrible, but the quality is more appropriate for a public school wall.

    For $800,000 they could hire Jeff Koons to paint some delightful balloon dogs.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    The Coit Tower murals are folksy and above all a positive portrayal of the people of San Francisco. What more could you ask for from an idiosyncratic civic monument? Certainly, we could not make such a positive civic monument today.

    Koons' Balloon Doggs will run you about 6o Million Dollars these days. Let's not give the San Francisco School Board any more bad ideas.


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jeff-koons-balloon-dog-sculpture-655548
  188. @Harry Baldwin
    "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" only if you are willing to use it. The Left is more prone to violence than the Right. Even in WW II, it was the communists in France that were most willing to fight the Nazi occupiers and communists in Malaysia who fought the Japanese. Leftists are animated by anger and a resentment of the status quo. By nature, people on the right are more law abiding and respectful of authority. They may be more dangerous when violent because of military experience and/or familiarity with firearms, but they are less prone to lash out.

    “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun”

    I heard that in Leonard Nimoy’s voice.

    https://levelskip.com/strategy/civ4quotes

  189. OT: Yet another hate crime against immigrant Hispanics by racist, nativist American!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/06/26/mother-teen-bully-assault-mexico

    A mother reported a teen bully for racially taunting her son. Then he beat her unconscious, attorney says.

    But a few paragraphs down:

    The 13-year-old suspect is African American

    • Replies: @Clyde

    The 13-year-old suspect is African American
     
    Suspook as the stormfront sites like to say.
  190. @AnotherDad

    Can’t we just beat these people and move on?
     
    Sure.

    But that means actually doing it.

    Either:
    -- win elections with actual conservatives willing to push on through their resistance
    or
    -- win elections and force separation
    or
    -- have a civil war and kill them.

    They are incredibly well imbedded in every nook and cranny. And they are useless eaters with no other prospect of earning a living--much less a very comfortable one with the psychic rewards of bossing you around. So they aren't going easy.

    Conservatives are not pro White. They’ve lost on every issue since 1956. The big medium and small business community is solidly behind affirmative action and unlimited immigration of non Whites for every job from doctor to dishwasher

    Conservatives loathe traditional marriage and family because married people with children want a living wage so as to support themselves and kids in reasonable comfort.

    20 or more Indian or Chinese computer coolie families crowded into a 3 bedroom house. Hispanic families supported on welfare living in government housing free day care is what conservatives want

    They don’t want us with our demands for a living wage and reasonable working hours

    • Agree: Daniel H
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Conservatives are not pro White.
     
    You're confusing "Conservative" with "Republican", and specifically "Rich Republican"

    What is often called "conservative" in America is not conservative at all.

    , @dfordoom

    Conservatives are not pro White. They’ve lost on every issue since 1956. The big medium and small business community is solidly behind affirmative action and unlimited immigration of non Whites for every job from doctor to dishwasher
     
    Yes, agreed.

    Conservatives loathe traditional marriage and family because married people with children want a living wage so as to support themselves and kids in reasonable comfort.
     
    Yes, that's pretty much so.
  191. @Lot
    I’ve seen the Coit Tower ones. Not horrible, but the quality is more appropriate for a public school wall.

    For $800,000 they could hire Jeff Koons to paint some delightful balloon dogs.

    The Coit Tower murals are folksy and above all a positive portrayal of the people of San Francisco. What more could you ask for from an idiosyncratic civic monument? Certainly, we could not make such a positive civic monument today.

    Koons’ Balloon Doggs will run you about 6o Million Dollars these days. Let’s not give the San Francisco School Board any more bad ideas.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jeff-koons-balloon-dog-sculpture-655548

    • Replies: @Lot
    “Koons’ Balloon Doggs will run you about 6o Million Dollars these days. ”

    Reading that stirs my inner communist more than any mural.
  192. @Buzz Mohawk
    They could have Christo cover it with a curtain and call it a new work of art.

    Christo's Valley Curtain, 1972, Rifle, Colorado
    http://www.ctrlmagazine.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Valley-Curtain-Christo.jpg

    Cristo ripped off that orange fabric and the gold fabric he draped around NYC from an old Japanese end of winter fiesta. Snow is gone but the ground is muddy trees still leafless. So brighten up the city with gold drapery and have a party I love it.

  193. @istevefan
    Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

    I sometimes wonder if having the right to bear arms makes us complacent since we think we are protected with that ace-in-the-hole if things ever got bad. You hear guys talking about how things taking place overseas could not happen here because our government would never try that stuff on an armed population. But then you watch as rights, and things we took for granted, are eroded slowly but surely.

    I can't imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual's. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won't take much to flip the court the other way. At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don't think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don't seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.

    Don’t bring your hunting rifle to a gun battle. Or your collection of a hundred rifles to a tank battle.

  194. @Old Prude
    From what I've heard, most everyone had an affair with Frida.

    Probably why she had so many mis carriages caused by chalymidea however it’s spelled. I don’t think she had any children thanks be to God

  195. @petit bourgeois
    Trotsky left a lasting impression upon the halls of academe. I shit you not, the Trostkyites still have a student group across the bay at UC Berkeley, an open air asylum.

    We used to call San Francisco The Mental Health Outpatient Clinic. We didn’t mean the patients kicked out of the mental hospitals by the Hodge case.

  196. @petit bourgeois
    Trotsky left a lasting impression upon the halls of academe. I shit you not, the Trostkyites still have a student group across the bay at UC Berkeley, an open air asylum.

    Right off of Telegraph Avenue in Berkeley is Revolution Books, a bookstore promoting every radical cause imaginable. It’s run by the Revolutionary Communist Party USA which is technically Maoist as opposed to Trotskyite. The party and shop are dedicated to the party jefe, Bob Avakian, who has an old school cult of personality operation going. There are giant posters of Bob Avakian on the walls and shelves dedicated to copious writings. If you ask the staff about “Bob”, their eyes light up. He is referred to by party members as simply “BA”. There is a sheep joke to made here.

    The whole thing is beyond bizarre. Whoever is behind this op, whether it is the Chinese, the CIA or both, is having a fun time.

    https://revcom.us/avakian/index.html

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    We could run him for president. What the hell?
  197. @Clifford Brown
    The Coit Tower murals are folksy and above all a positive portrayal of the people of San Francisco. What more could you ask for from an idiosyncratic civic monument? Certainly, we could not make such a positive civic monument today.

    Koons' Balloon Doggs will run you about 6o Million Dollars these days. Let's not give the San Francisco School Board any more bad ideas.


    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jeff-koons-balloon-dog-sculpture-655548

    “Koons’ Balloon Doggs will run you about 6o Million Dollars these days. ”

    Reading that stirs my inner communist more than any mural.

  198. @Daniel H
    OK, I went over to Sherwin-Williams paint calculator. 1600 square feet, we will need four gallons per coat. Let's say we need two coats, so that's 8 gallons. Lowes sells Valspar Pro ExpressCoat Flat Antique, white latex for 10.98 per gallon. So, all told, we need to spend approximately $88.00 on paint. Double that for drop clots, brushes, rollers, etc we should be able to do this job for about $170 in materials.

    Well, I'm leaving home and going to San Francisco to take up painting.

    https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/try-on-colors/paint-calculator#/quick-calc-interior

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/Valspar-Pro-ExpressCoat-Flat-Antique-White-Latex-Paint-Actual-Net-Contents-128-fl-oz/1000525287

    You’re failing to account for the greatest cost involved here: parking in San Francisco.

    • LOL: Daniel H
  199. @Twinkie
    OT: Yet another hate crime against immigrant Hispanics by racist, nativist American!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/06/26/mother-teen-bully-assault-mexico

    A mother reported a teen bully for racially taunting her son. Then he beat her unconscious, attorney says.
     
    But a few paragraphs down:

    The 13-year-old suspect is African American
     

    The 13-year-old suspect is African American

    Suspook as the stormfront sites like to say.

  200. @Lot
    When a new temple was dedicated, the human sacrifices were often in the thousands. Similar to Christian saints days calendars, the Aztecs had a different human sacrifice for every day of the year. Monday, cut out the hearts of captured warriors. Tuesday, drown their children, Wednesday, dance wearing the skins of flayed people etc.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture

    [Rejoinder by Ron Unz: This is nothing but Jewish/Spanish propaganda. Aztecs dindu nutten, or if they did the sacrificed people had it coming. Also, their modern descendants are the sweetest, most peaceful people in the world, and their IQ will be the same as white Americans with good education and nutrition.]

    Brilliant rejoinder by fake R Unz
    At their peak year the Aztecs human sacrificed 20,000 or so per year….tearing out their hearts. Apocalypto style. Though that movie is an Aztec-Mayan mashup/

  201. Yes, when the Cultural Revolution takes its latest step, what, in the last phase may have been revolutionary can now become reactionary and subject to violent repression. Interesting … I was just reviewing a poem my sixth grade elementary school class actually studied – it was handed out to us in mimeograph form. It was called, “The Congo: A Study of the Negro Race”, by Vachel Lindsay: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47374/the-congo-a-study-of-the-negro-race

    My question is: What is the status of this poem? Yes, it was written by a white man, but a Progressive white man who meant, by writing it, to enlighten. Still, read, e.g., the section about, “The Irrepressible High Spirits” of the race the poem describes. Is this a sort of proto-rap? Or is this another piece of Hate Propaganda by white people? Bear in mind, Lindsay’s Progressive intentions may or may not be important here-

    • Replies: @95Theses
    Ah, the aromatic scent of mimeograph! I remember it well.
  202. @nebulafox
    The Communists only fought the Nazis after June of 1941. Kind of late to prevent German occupation.

    If French Communists had been a little more loyal to Paris than to a foreign power, then a lot of the political troubles-that would eventually infect their military-that France had in the 1930s wouldn't have been so severe.

    As for Malaysia, the Communists insurgency there had heavy ethnic Chinese overtone-which meant the Malays disproportionately remained loyal to the British. It wasn't matter of submissiveness and abiding to the law so much as that the Malays had few illusions about the fate of their religion and culture in a de facto satellite of the newly established PRC. The experience of the Japanese occupation and its targeting of the Chinese for special "treatment" did leave its mark, but I'd say the racial tensions went back before that.

    The Communists only fought the Nazis after June of 1941. Kind of late to prevent German occupation.

    While true, that’s not relevant to my point. The point is that they were willing to fight more than the average French citizen.

  203. Anonymous [AKA "Aireck"] says:
    @Father O'Hara
    I'll paint it over for 200 bucks,call me.

    Keep in mind the majority of the dough goes to the impact study, so make sure you include that.

  204. Anon[377] • Disclaimer says:

    Who would have thought the Left would turn on each other without the Right to attack?
    Anyone with an IQ over 100.

    The Left needs enemies or it cracks up. Literally.

    Can you be pious to the irreligious? Not really.

    The Moon Gawds demand sacrifices and the Left only values the least able.

  205. Paleocon minds explode:

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Little late getting on Trump's bandwagon there.
    , @Lot
    Haberman is stupid enough to be “astonished” by Soros and Koch joining forces?

    The Kochs are already giant funders of open borders groups, and the past five years have also been funding pro-criminal “de-incarceration” groups, also right in the Soros wheelhouse. The old Kochs are themselves into the pro-criminal lobbying, but it is the heir-apparent who’s really on the mission.

    The leader of the foreign policy group named after Quincy Adams is a 44-year-old Iranian who was raised in Sweden. He’s a citizen of Iran and Sweden, but not the USA. It appears he founded his first pro-Iranian regime in his early 20’s in Sweden, and then started another one in the USA for “Iranian Americans” within a year of moving here.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Trita_Parsi_-_ALTCONF-0174_%284441991863%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/1280px-Trita_Parsi_-_ALTCONF-0174_%284441991863%29_%28cropped%29.jpg

    Parsi sued a journalist who accused him of being a Iranian lobbyist... and lost. He also leaves out in his biographies he used to work for Bob Ney, a congressman who went to prison for corruption.
    , @Clifford Brown
    This is being pursued for the very same reason that The New York Times has "conservative" opinion writers such as David Brook and Bret Stephens. I suspect that the goal here is to control the opposition to The Empire in the same way they control The Empire. Koch and Soros realize that isolationism is a likely a long term trend in American politics so best to get in front of it and buy it off so that they can control the narrative.

    Remember, real power only comes when you control both sides of the debate.
  206. @Reg Cæsar
    Now this is a mural:


    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5zjZtMmuWyg/UkTDxh5adUI/AAAAAAAAEek/b22D4yVovBI/s1600/streetartnews_natalia_rak_poland-6.jpg

    That is wonderful.

  207. Guys, you’re approaching this all wrong. As the article already said, there’s more money to be made in writing the environment impact statement.

  208. @Achmed E. Newman
    The ridiculousness of these cost quotes aside, I wish that Commie painter were alive today to see his fellow cultural revolutionists tear his stuff down. It's worth every bit of the $372,000 that I'll bid.

    BTW, I've not seen gallons of paint for $11 in years, Daniel. You can save some buying 5-gallon containers, were you a prudent San Francisco school board member. Is that indoor latex, BTW? For outside paint, I'm here to tell you, 15 year paint lasts 5 years, 5 year paint lasts 2 years ... etc.

    If the Commie painter were alive today, he would do just what the party ordered and if the party ordered him to paint over his life work with black paint, he would do it eagerly – and as they led him away to be shot, he would yell “Long Live Kamala” or Stalin or whoever.

    • Disagree: Peter Frost
  209. @Reg Cæsar
    Now this is a mural:


    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5zjZtMmuWyg/UkTDxh5adUI/AAAAAAAAEek/b22D4yVovBI/s1600/streetartnews_natalia_rak_poland-6.jpg

    Here’s a fun one:

    Camp Washington Mural - Camp Washington, Cincinnati

    From Camp Washington, OH; near where Crosley Field used to be.

    • Replies: @Lot
    I like that better than the communist’s murals. Better technique and content both.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    That Washington is certainly camp.

    As for Crosley Field, didn't some Kentucky farmer rebuild it on his back forty? Jarry Park is now used for tennis, Braves Field for some university's track, Metropolitan Stadium a star in the floor of the Mall of America, and the Golden Gophers' Memorial Stadium a natatorium.
  210. @IHTG
    Paleocon minds explode:

    https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1145474902251790338

    Little late getting on Trump’s bandwagon there.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Little late getting on Trump’s bandwagon there.
     
    Not to mention Buchanan's (both of them!), the Lindberghs', and Washington's.
    , @Carol
    So then WW III dead ahead, in abt 10 years.
  211. @Desiderius
    Here's a fun one:

    https://flic.kr/p/5d8L7i

    From Camp Washington, OH; near where Crosley Field used to be.

    I like that better than the communist’s murals. Better technique and content both.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    We've got 179 more where that came from. Really livened things up.

    https://www.artworkscincinnati.org/public-art/murals/all-murals/
  212. @Reg Cæsar
    That was Howard Zinn.

    Chomsky – defames our foreign policy
    Zinn – defames our domestic policy

    Zinn – discovered by leftards in sophomore year
    Chomsky – senior year

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Zinn – discovered by leftards in sophomore year
    Chomsky – senior year
     
    Yeah, but with Zinn, it's the sophomore year of high school.

    Let's not even get into James Loewen, who excoriated Americans for their racial sins from the lily-white luxury of Vermont.

    (No, He's not a native. They never are.)

  213. @guest
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/39/3f/ca393f5ddf6df74ff6bbfbf38dcc1939.jpg

    …urgent, ….send in more cavalry help to Hernán Cortés

  214. anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:

    wwebd said –

    recently – as in a couple months ago – the son of the guy who designed the Sopwith Camel passed away.

    I am going to assume he (the son of the Sopwith Camel designer, who interestingly just passed away in 2019 – amazing when you think about it) was connected to the powers that be in England all his life, and that he got much more that the equivalent of 8 or 9 hundred thousand dollars from the government every decade of his life. Maybe he deserved that much and more, maybe not, who among us has the technical knowledge to know?

    Anyway, I am not a big fan of most murals. They are sad displays, for the most part, by failed artists who want us to think “hey there was an artist working on this wall once.” Well, in my experience, that is not an accurate statement. Most murals are painted by people without an ounce of true art in their souls. Sorry but it is true.

    I don’t like punk rock much either.

    People who work on murals are, in my experience, people who lack artistic talent but who have lots of confidence in their thought that the ugly paintings they inflict on us are not ugly. Because someone once lied to them and told them they were talented, that they had a gift, which people wanted them to express. They are wrong. All those mural artists should have gone and gotten a real job and rented an apartment and raised children who maybe – unlikely, but maybe – would one day be able to paint real pictures with real inspiration. God is kind to those who pray that their families might prosper.

    Punk rock is even worse than those public murals. But at least punk rock is rarely heard in public spaces, it is as absent from public spaces as bad academic poetry, for the most part.

    So a million bucks to erase a mural is probably money well spent, I don’t care who painted the mural, I don’t care if the mural supports my political beliefs.

    Bad art is selfishness embodied.

    I am so tired of people with no artistic talent pretending they are artists because suckers pay them money to pretend to be artists.

    The point of the story is, I guess, that the son of the guy who designed the Sopwith Camel was probably a good sort of person – apparently he worked on “race cars”, although the races were probably fixed, and he was an engineer of sorts, although most engineers are not good at what they do ….

    but let’s all remember this.
    the world is complicated.
    Don’t trust anyone who claims to be gifted, unless you are competent to trust them.
    God loves us all,
    and heart speaks to heart,
    and someday nobody will have to look at bad art.

    • Agree: JMcG
  215. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @guest
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/39/3f/ca393f5ddf6df74ff6bbfbf38dcc1939.jpg

    It is plesnt to me to reflect that 500 years ago Hernan Cortes came, saw, and kicked ass.

    Others, not so much.

    https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2019/05/opinion-hernan-cortes-father-of-mexico-landed-exactly-500-years-ago-mexicans-are-ambivalent/

    I’d rather be White than mestizo, but then, I would, wouldn’t I?

    I suspect most mestizos in their own hearts would too, and therein is the issue.

  216. And people wonder why California can’t build high-speed rail …

    They’re into a different kind of railroading.

    https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/274533/in-what-country-did-the-term-railroaded-originate

  217. @Lot
    When a downed Japanese pilot landed on a small Hawaiian island after Pearl Harbor, the local native Hawaiians captured him, but then local Japanese-Americans freed him and took hostages.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident

    The best word on the topic is Michelle Malkin:

    https://www.conservativebookclub.com/book/defense-internment

    And of course German minorities in Central and Eastern Europe were very welcoming to German troops.

    Magic: The Untold Story gives a lot of background material on the intel the US government was collecting. The Japanese were planning on running a full scale espionage and sabotage campaign in the US. They expected to use the vast number of Japanese organizations in the country. It was realistic considering the actions of Japanese nationals and their descendants in the Philippines and China.

    The US army would have been happy with simply excluding the Japanese from critical areas. The problem was the Japanese were clustered around critical areas and there were so many of those areas on the West coast, nothing was feasible.

    Another thing, people like to point out that Hoover said it wasn’t necessary. The problem there is the FBI had done horribly in WWI with several people of German heritage committing sabotage. No one was taking the chance on the FBI this time around.

    Finally, the exclusion order didn’t force people into camps. They could move anywhere into the interior of the country. For most though, that wasn’t possible because they didn’t really know anyone.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    The US army would have been happy with simply excluding the Japanese from critical areas. The problem was the Japanese were clustered around critical areas and there were so many of those areas on the West coast, nothing was feasible.
     
    Such as Hawaii?
  218. blacks don’t cover murals with graffiti, hiSPanICs do.

  219. @Desiderius
    Here's a fun one:

    https://flic.kr/p/5d8L7i

    From Camp Washington, OH; near where Crosley Field used to be.

    That Washington is certainly camp.

    As for Crosley Field, didn’t some Kentucky farmer rebuild it on his back forty? Jarry Park is now used for tennis, Braves Field for some university’s track, Metropolitan Stadium a star in the floor of the Mall of America, and the Golden Gophers’ Memorial Stadium a natatorium.

  220. @Desiderius
    Little late getting on Trump's bandwagon there.

    Little late getting on Trump’s bandwagon there.

    Not to mention Buchanan’s (both of them!), the Lindberghs’, and Washington’s.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    The more the merrier. The sheer confusion of Koch turning face will be enough to suppress the D vote 5%.
  221. Lot says:
    @IHTG
    Paleocon minds explode:

    https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1145474902251790338

    Haberman is stupid enough to be “astonished” by Soros and Koch joining forces?

    The Kochs are already giant funders of open borders groups, and the past five years have also been funding pro-criminal “de-incarceration” groups, also right in the Soros wheelhouse. The old Kochs are themselves into the pro-criminal lobbying, but it is the heir-apparent who’s really on the mission.

    The leader of the foreign policy group named after Quincy Adams is a 44-year-old Iranian who was raised in Sweden. He’s a citizen of Iran and Sweden, but not the USA. It appears he founded his first pro-Iranian regime in his early 20’s in Sweden, and then started another one in the USA for “Iranian Americans” within a year of moving here.

    Parsi sued a journalist who accused him of being a Iranian lobbyist… and lost. He also leaves out in his biographies he used to work for Bob Ney, a congressman who went to prison for corruption.

  222. @Lot
    When a downed Japanese pilot landed on a small Hawaiian island after Pearl Harbor, the local native Hawaiians captured him, but then local Japanese-Americans freed him and took hostages.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident

    The best word on the topic is Michelle Malkin:

    https://www.conservativebookclub.com/book/defense-internment

    And of course German minorities in Central and Eastern Europe were very welcoming to German troops.

    I generally like Michelle, but a Pilipina’s view of the Japanese is bound to be, shall we say, colored.

    And why the hell was Minoru Yamasaki designing bunkers for the US Army? That alone puts the official story under question.

  223. This is really obviously an anti-Washington mural. It’s supposed to depict the life of George Washington, and it shows him beating slaves and sending a group of men out to kill an Indian. I think it’s historically inaccurate (I don’t remember Washington ever ordering the killing of an Indian, although he may have. I’m not sure). It’s obviously not depicting beating of slaves and killing of Indians as a good thing.

    I simply cannot understand how someone would call this mural racist. It makes no sense.

  224. @Clifford Brown
    Right off of Telegraph Avenue in Berkeley is Revolution Books, a bookstore promoting every radical cause imaginable. It's run by the Revolutionary Communist Party USA which is technically Maoist as opposed to Trotskyite. The party and shop are dedicated to the party jefe, Bob Avakian, who has an old school cult of personality operation going. There are giant posters of Bob Avakian on the walls and shelves dedicated to copious writings. If you ask the staff about "Bob", their eyes light up. He is referred to by party members as simply "BA". There is a sheep joke to made here.

    The whole thing is beyond bizarre. Whoever is behind this op, whether it is the Chinese, the CIA or both, is having a fun time.

    https://revcom.us/avakian/index.html

    We could run him for president. What the hell?

  225. @Reg Cæsar

    Little late getting on Trump’s bandwagon there.
     
    Not to mention Buchanan's (both of them!), the Lindberghs', and Washington's.

    The more the merrier. The sheer confusion of Koch turning face will be enough to suppress the D vote 5%.

  226. @Alden
    If you’re in San Francisco and want to see WPA communist murals, here’s 2

    Coit Tower major tourist attraction. The mural is very very Soviet. Coit family very wealthy epitome of evil capitalist hated by commies. But the commie mural is a big attraction I assume it’s still there. Maybe some liberals will get all angry at those big strong White men in work clothes using tools. Racist White privilege !!!!!!
    Another is Beach Chalet 1000 Great Highway Great Highway is also US 1 and Pacific Coast Highway Subset side of the park. Used to be a great working man’s bar full of well paid White union workers and the wives they could afford to keep at home. All Richmond Sunset district locals

    Now it’s a tourist trap but the food is excellent. Picknic tables in the park. If you have kids bring a ball so they can run around The neighborhood is now solid Chinese but you don’t see the locals there much. Probably too busy working 100 hours a week in their illegal chicken slaughter house in the garage.

    I wish I could remember more.

    Coit Tower major tourist attraction.

    Same painter.

  227. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan
    Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

    I sometimes wonder if having the right to bear arms makes us complacent since we think we are protected with that ace-in-the-hole if things ever got bad. You hear guys talking about how things taking place overseas could not happen here because our government would never try that stuff on an armed population. But then you watch as rights, and things we took for granted, are eroded slowly but surely.

    I can't imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual's. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won't take much to flip the court the other way. At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don't think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don't seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.

    The Afrikaners have lots of guns but it’s not doing them much good as their opponents are just as well armed and much more numerous.

  228. @IHTG
    Paleocon minds explode:

    https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1145474902251790338

    This is being pursued for the very same reason that The New York Times has “conservative” opinion writers such as David Brook and Bret Stephens. I suspect that the goal here is to control the opposition to The Empire in the same way they control The Empire. Koch and Soros realize that isolationism is a likely a long term trend in American politics so best to get in front of it and buy it off so that they can control the narrative.

    Remember, real power only comes when you control both sides of the debate.

  229. res says:
    @Alden
    Off topic

    In his latest San Francisco Examiner column, politician Willie Brown stated that after observing the debates he believes that no Democrat candidate can win against Trump. We’ll see if he’s right.

    I know many think Trump has been a total failure. I gave up hope of a pro White President long ago. But I hope Trump wins just to see the people who hate me and mine explode again.

    Actually not that off topic given that he also comments on the murals in the column.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/williesworld/article/Bad-news-for-Democrats-none-of-these-14059874.php

    Historical note: The San Francisco school board’s vote to paint over the mural of our first president that has long adorned George Washington High School is a bit ironic.

    The artist, Victor Arnautoff, was a Depression-era Communist who subversively portrayed “the father of our country” as a slave-owning Indian killer. But that completely sails over the head of a school district that now teaches those very facts in the classroom.

    But I admit, I have a reason for opposing such revisionist history. It’s personal with me. I know that when I finally pass from this world, my namesakes — be it the Willie L. Brown Jr. Bridge or Willie L. Brown Jr. Middle School — will be the first to be rebranded.

  230. @Gold
    [Off topic] Some of us noticed that Tucker Carlson's June 27th section had a nod to Steve Sailer.

    https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2019/06/27/tucker-carlson-calls-cory-booker-one-two-whitest-candidates-stage-and-warns-democrats-could-ban/224080

    "The whole thing was like a cartoon, or an Evelyn Waugh novel." [00:02]

    How many American conservatives ever talk about Waugh? Only one, and that's our good host.

    Which novel, anyway?

    How many American conservatives ever talk about Waugh?

    Lots. William F. Buckley did the intros for the American telecast of Brideshead Revisited on PBS.

    • Replies: @Budd Dwyer

    How many American conservatives ever talk about Waugh?

    Lots. William F. Buckley did the intros for the American telecast of Brideshead Revisited on PBS.

     

    Tucker Carlson just last Thursday.

    In describing the Democrat debate Carlson said, “It was like a cartoon... or an Evelyn Waugh novel.”

    https://youtu.be/ddKQIUsmJpU

    Reference to Evelyn Waugh is at 2:38
    , @guest
    Buckley was of course an anglophile and Catholic. Probably the other Catholic-cons with whom he was surrounded were into Waugh, too.

    I remember Roger Kimball referencing Waugh, more specifically the "up to a point" joke. I don't know whether he was Catholic, though he attended a Jesuit high school.

    P.J. O'Rourke despite the name is not Catholic, though unsurprisingly he is a Waugh fan. Because he has that whole travelogue biting satire thing going.

  231. @Mr. Anon
    Couldn't the school district just pass out spray-paint cans to the students and get it covered over with graffiti a lot cheaper? Do juvenile delinquents still even tag walls with graffiti? Or are they too busy playing with their phones?

    Phones. Nobody graffitis anymore. Seriously.

  232. @Alden
    If you’re in San Francisco and want to see WPA communist murals, here’s 2

    Coit Tower major tourist attraction. The mural is very very Soviet. Coit family very wealthy epitome of evil capitalist hated by commies. But the commie mural is a big attraction I assume it’s still there. Maybe some liberals will get all angry at those big strong White men in work clothes using tools. Racist White privilege !!!!!!
    Another is Beach Chalet 1000 Great Highway Great Highway is also US 1 and Pacific Coast Highway Subset side of the park. Used to be a great working man’s bar full of well paid White union workers and the wives they could afford to keep at home. All Richmond Sunset district locals

    Now it’s a tourist trap but the food is excellent. Picknic tables in the park. If you have kids bring a ball so they can run around The neighborhood is now solid Chinese but you don’t see the locals there much. Probably too busy working 100 hours a week in their illegal chicken slaughter house in the garage.

    I wish I could remember more.

    Coit Tower major tourist attraction

    Is there a corresponding Coitus Tower?

    Actually, I think that’s in Tallahassee.

    • Replies: @Lot
    The recently close San Onofre nuke plant looks a lot like...

    https://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/0Q9S8ERh4rIADgEYzYB_Aw/348s.jpg
  233. @anonymous1963
    Why not replace it with a picture of Wakanda?

    Send them the photos, I am sure they’d happily hang it.

  234. @Alden
    I read a book once about the French communists and how they helped the Germans conquer France during the Hitler Stalin pact.

    One example; Retreating French regiment officers looked at the map and realized there was only one bridge over a deep wide river for about 30 miles. So if they blew up the bridge after they crossed it would greatly delay the German advance

    Town government was heavily communist To prevent blowing up the bridge the women and children occupied the bridge. So the French officers let it be and waited on the other side for the Germans

    Book made it very clear town didn’t object to inconvenience of not having a bridge but to the fact that it would hinder the German advance

    In the 1930s the Air Force was new and French communists made a great effort to join the Air Force.

    There were other incidents of communist sergeants purposely confusing information to officers, sending troops down the wrong road etc.

    The so called French resistance was heavily communist as was the Italian and E European ones. Goal; take over the post war government tactic; spot potential non communist leaders and kill them as the war ended leaving nothing but communists to form the post war government

    The Weimar Republic gets all the headlines for obvious reasons, but most countries in Europe had some deeply serious political issues after WWI. The Great Depression just made matters worse, but there was a sense from the get-go that the postwar Wilsonian democratic order that rose from the ashes was artificial, senseless, and not worth defending. Few would.

    Some, like Italy, Hungary, or Poland, quickly became right-wing dictatorships in the response to the-very real-Bolshevik threat. Others, like France, were divided down the middle between the Communists and the Fascists: and would remain so up until WWII. France’s military did its best, but it reflected its own deeply divided society: when the head is ill, the limbs unavoidably suffer. Even England was not immune to the general feeling of malaise and social unrest.

    The only real victor in WWI was the United States, put bluntly. Russia, for its part, would remain in a state of civil war and chaos until well into the 1920s-and though it would claim superpower status along with the USA after 1945, the repeated societal and demographic calamities that befell it between 1914 and 1945 (and even before then… late 1800s and early 1900s Russia was not a fun place, with terrorism being so common that bomb making manuals were found in even the humblest villages) did as much as anything to lead to the collapse to the USSR. The USA is a very lucky country. I have a bad feeling we’ve been running off that luck for too long and when it runs out, we won’t be able to cope.

    WWI just permanently wrecked Europe, above all psychologically. There’s no other way of saying it. That’s the moment the bourgeois age became forfeit, even if it’d take a quarter century more to die totally.

    • Agree: Old Palo Altan
    • Replies: @fnn
    The right-wing could have taken over France in a coup during the (((Stavisky ))) scandal of 1934, but they were too many disunited factions:
    https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/stavisky-affair

    The most strident outcry came from the far right, from the xenophobic and anti-Semitic newspapers Action Française and Je Suis Partout, but also from veterans organizations such as the Croix de Feu and from a less incendiary right wing that deplored the weaknesses of the parliamentary regime and yearned for a strong executive branch. The affair did not so much create as intensify such yearnings, but the varied laments at the lost victory of World War I, economic stagnation, and diplomatic impotence made for a powerful mix that finally exploded on the night of 6 February 1934, after six weeks of almost daily headlines about Sacha Stavisky and his accomplices. A violent antiparliamentary riot on and around the Place de la Concorde left 15 dead and 1,435 wounded. For the only time in the history of the Third Republic, sedition forced out a sitting government, that of the Radical Édouard Daladier.

    So strong was the belief in the "Republic of cronies," as Robert de Jouvenel had called it in his pamphlet of 1914, that when a magistrate who had once investigated Stavisky, Albert Prince, was found dead the following month on the railroad tracks near Dijon, the cry of murder rang out again. He too had committed suicide. But his death relaunched the affair, which finally petered out in the longest trial in French history, the prosecution of twenty of Stavisky's accomplices, in the winter of 1935–1936.
     
  235. Lo says:

    These are beautiful murals. We are talking about a high school, not Louvre. I wish my high school had such murals, once again, great stuff wasted on idiots. I am hoping the cost is because they will either remove the artwork or put something protective so that cover paint can be safely removed after the idiot generation graduates. Otherwise, don’t understand how it would cost almost $1 million to paint some walls.

    • Agree: Ibound1, Colin Wright
  236. Hey, if they want to make images of oppressed Indians and oppressed blacks vanish and beigewash history, that’s their choice. I have no problem with it.

  237. Budd Dwyer [AKA "Anon000"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    How many American conservatives ever talk about Waugh?

    Lots. William F. Buckley did the intros for the American telecast of Brideshead Revisited on PBS.

    How many American conservatives ever talk about Waugh?

    Lots. William F. Buckley did the intros for the American telecast of Brideshead Revisited on PBS.

    Tucker Carlson just last Thursday.

    In describing the Democrat debate Carlson said, “It was like a cartoon… or an Evelyn Waugh novel.”

    Reference to Evelyn Waugh is at 2:38

  238. anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    Off topic

    In his latest San Francisco Examiner column, politician Willie Brown stated that after observing the debates he believes that no Democrat candidate can win against Trump. We’ll see if he’s right.

    I know many think Trump has been a total failure. I gave up hope of a pro White President long ago. But I hope Trump wins just to see the people who hate me and mine explode again.

    Willie Brown stated that after observing the debates he believes that no Democrat candidate can win against Trump.

    Not even his former piece, Kamala??

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I guess not. From the article:

    California Sen. Kamala Harris got all the attention for playing prosecutor in chief, but her case against former Vice President Joe Biden boiled down in some ways to a ringing call for forced school busing. It won’t be too hard for Trump to knock that one out of the park in 2020.
     
  239. @PiltdownMan
    Pity.

    The murals at George Washington High are really nice. I wonder if they're going to paint over all the mural sections.

    https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/41/11/17699422/5/920x920.jpg

    https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/41/11/17699453/5/gallery_xlarge.jpg

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5748a64186db431f09376739/5936e4a08419c23e7ea3fd5a/59fa14b627ef2dc4b491fac4/1510857132697/DSCF0556.jpg

    https://2zwmzkbocl625qdrf2qqqfok-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/WashingtonHighMural.1216.jpg

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5748a64186db431f09376739/5936e4a08419c23e7ea3fd5a/59fa14f56c319480cf301ccf/1510680893340/DSCF0530.jpg

    It’s a lot fancier than my high school, which had no artwork at all on the walls, but then my silly academically-inclined school district spent its money on the basics, not the frills.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    The painting was funded by the WPA in 1936, as part of a vast Depression Era federal public relief program. The funding provided employment and income to hundreds of artists and artisans around the country, and over 10,000 art works were created for public buildings. Victor Artuanoff was just one of them, and the George Washington School mural (created when the school was built) was one of many.

    Artuanoff was paid $23.60 a week.

    https://www.newdealartregistry.org/artist/ArnautoffVictor/#

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Art_Project
  240. Anon[106] • Disclaimer says:
    @Budd Dwyer

    From what I’ve heard, most everyone had an affair with Frida.
     
    I mean, who isn’t attracted to a communist, feminist unibrow Jewess?

    Frida Kahlo, well known for her striking self-portraits, her strong Mexican and feminist sensibilities, and her tumultuous passionate life, was born in Coyoacan, Mexico, on July 6, 1907. Her mother's family was of Spanish and Native Mexican descent, while her father was a German Jewish immigrant. Although she is best known for her representations of Mexican culture, her Jewish background also influenced her work.

    https://jwa.org/thisweek/jul/06/1907/frida-kahlo
     

    World-renowned leftwing Mexican artists Diego Rivera and Frida Kahlo were married for the first time on this date in 1929 (they separated in 1934, divorced in 1938, and remarried in 1940). Rivera’s mother was a converso. Although he was not raised as a Jew, he knew that he was Jewish and was proud of it.World-renowned leftwing Mexican artists Diego Rivera and Frida Kahlo were married for the first time on this date in 1929 (they separated in 1934, divorced in 1938, and remarried in 1940). Rivera’s mother was a converso. Although he was not raised as a Jew, he knew that he was Jewish and was proud of it.

    https://jewishcurrents.org/august-21-diego-rivera-and-frida-kahlo/
     
    Kahlo wasn’t above ribbing the notorious anti-Semite Henry Ford during a dinner party in Detroit, when she impertinently asked, "Mr. Ford, are you Jewish?"
    https://jewishjournal.com/tag/frida-kahlo/

    Kahlo wasn’t a big deal in the art world until the last couple of generations, and her awful artwork is highly overrated. Jewish critics elevated her status solely because she was Jewish and had enough third world genes to give them SJW brownie points for celebrating her downtroddenness. When you study art history, there’s scarcely a Jew to be found until you hit the 20th-century moderns. There really aren’t very many Jewish painters with any talent of any sort. Jews are verbally skilled instead of visual-spacial and mechanically skilled, and Jewish art critics are touchy about the lack of great Jewish painters the way blacks are touchy about the lack of black scientists. Consequently, Jewish critics keep trying to rearrange the list of greats to favor Jews.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Was Frida Kahlo really Jewish?
    , @the one they call Desanex
    Many great Jewish comic book/comic strip artists: Will Eisner, Jack Kirby, Gil Kane, Neal Adams, Joe Kubert, Al Capp, Mort Drucker, Al Jaffee, Harvey Kurtzman, just to name a few of the very best.
    , @vinteuil
    Trying to think of great Jewish artists, the first names that sprang to my mind were the Ruisdaels -Salomon, Isaack & Jacob. But it turns out that, despite their misleading first names, they were Christians! Live & learn.

    In the twentieth century, of course, Jews became extremely prominent in the business of chattering about art - most notably, Harold Rosenberg & Clement Greenberg.

    Shortly thereafter, guys like Mark Rothko started rising to prominence.
    , @Anonymous
    Obviously, religious Jews have issues with depiction of the human form. It's close to idolatry. It's no accident that Christians such as the Puritans that draw heavily from OT Jewish religion also have produced few artists.
  241. @Alden
    Conservatives are not pro White. They’ve lost on every issue since 1956. The big medium and small business community is solidly behind affirmative action and unlimited immigration of non Whites for every job from doctor to dishwasher

    Conservatives loathe traditional marriage and family because married people with children want a living wage so as to support themselves and kids in reasonable comfort.

    20 or more Indian or Chinese computer coolie families crowded into a 3 bedroom house. Hispanic families supported on welfare living in government housing free day care is what conservatives want

    They don’t want us with our demands for a living wage and reasonable working hours

    Conservatives are not pro White.

    You’re confusing “Conservative” with “Republican”, and specifically “Rich Republican”

    What is often called “conservative” in America is not conservative at all.

  242. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    There’s no more clear indication of America’s decadence and loss of can-do attitude that the fact that simply painting over a wall can cost such an astronomical amount of money. No wonder everything is outsourced to the Chinese.
     
    No kidding. Don't they have 'sanctuary cities' teeming with wetbacks out there in Cali? Why can't they just hire them to do the painting-over?

    Or just get the kids to do it, Tom Sawyer-style.

  243. @Alden
    Tech billionaires hate Whites except for themselves. Washington High’s mostly Chinese immigrants. The American history they were taught from 5th grade on claims all the founders were evil racists.

    Now it will be just another blank white wall in full accord with post 1940 fashions in decorating

    Reminds me of what John Knox, Thomas Cromwell and Henry 8 were doing in Britain 500 years ago.

    Tech billionaires hate Whites except for themselves.

    Tech billionaires despise everyone except fellow billionaires.

  244. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @stillCARealist
    The Colosseum was a place of great wickedness and brutality. If the Italians wanted to raze it to the ground, they'd have a better justification than the statues that people have been toppling.

    A lot of Christians were killed in the Colosseum so the Church took care to preserve it as a memorial.

  245. @Mr. Hack
    How could a commie paint anything to stir up the angst of a bunch of SJW's? I though that they were pretty much one and the same?

    How could a commie paint anything to stir up the angst of a bunch of SJW’s? I though that they were pretty much one and the same?

    Given that actual communists and SJWs are at opposite ends of the political spectrum it’s hardly surprising the SJWs want to erase communists from history.

  246. @bomag

    one camera every 0.133 miles
     
    The cameras would be centered on grids 0.133 miles on a side; walking the diagonals would give the least exposure, which would be around 0.190 miles between cameras. At 20 minutes per mile, one would be (0.190)(20) minutes between cameras; roughly four minutes.

    around 0.190 miles between cameras

    If so, the farthest distance a human could be from a camera would be (0.190)/2, would it not? Exactly halfway between two cameras on that line.

    Unless I am missing something, that means 0.095 miles (<2 minutes' walking time).

    • Replies: @bomag
    You are correct.

    I was thinking of the farthest walk to the next camera.
  247. @Logan
    Probably a nit. But.

    The weapon used to kill Trotsky was what we in America call an ice axe, the mountaineering tool, not the thing you use to chuck up block ice to put in drinks, which we call an icepick. You can use what we call an icepick to kill somebody, but it's not the most effective method. Generally for a reliable kill you'd need to get them good in the eye, ear or temple. Most likely to be effective in a complete surprise attack or if the person being attacked is unconscious or tied up.

    The confusion has probably arisen because the tool we call an ice axe is referred to in UK as an ice pick.

    The Astro-Hungarian Empress Elizabeth (“Sissy”) was killed by a genuine ice pick. It went through her corset and punched a hole in her heart.

  248. @istevefan
    Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

    I sometimes wonder if having the right to bear arms makes us complacent since we think we are protected with that ace-in-the-hole if things ever got bad. You hear guys talking about how things taking place overseas could not happen here because our government would never try that stuff on an armed population. But then you watch as rights, and things we took for granted, are eroded slowly but surely.

    I can't imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual's. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won't take much to flip the court the other way. At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don't think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don't seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don’t think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don’t seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.

    The government has more and bigger guns than ordinary folk. That was not the case in the late 18th century but it is now. The government has lots and lots and lots of guns and it has lot of loyal servants who will use those guns on anyone who opposes the government. Those servants, the police and the military, are loyal to anyone who is paying them.

    Because the government has infinitely greater firepower than ordinary folk the government can take the guns away from ordinary people any time it wants to. It doesn’t do this because it’s more advantageous to take away people’s freedoms while allowing them to keep their guns. That way the poor dumb bastards won’t even notice the disappearance of their actual freedoms.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @dfordoom, @alden, @BB753

    You all are correct that the government outguns the people. But the government will not be in a position to bring overwhelming firepower. Our armed forces are designed to fight other nation's forces. Their wet dream is to have thousands of enemy soldiers out on an open plain where they can use their superior air force to wipe out that force.

    Our armed forces do not like fighting insurgents who are mixed in with the locals. You can't use overwhelming firepower without a lot of collateral damage, which of course leads to more insurgents. We've been held to a standstill in Afghanistan fighting a few thousand guys with rifles and some RPGs. We didn't cope too well in Iraq after we steamrolled the Iraqi army.

    I often hear liberals mock us by saying the government has nukes. Well they ain't going to use nukes, and they aren't going to use overwhelming firepower when we live in the same neighborhoods as the other side.

    Here is a story from the BBC about it only taking 3.5% of the population to effect major changes. That means if we could get 11 million or so folks who were committed, we could probably effect a change.

    Eleven million armed civilians would overwhelm the armed forces who have about 1.3 million active and about 800K reservists. So that is a combined 2.1 million in all our forces with all our branches. In other words they ain't all infantry or armor. The majority of them are REMFs (rear echelon mother f*ckers), and they will be fighting with one hand behind their back.

    I think I read somewhere that only 400 IRA guys kept the British army tied down in Northern Ireland. It really doesn't take a lot. And if we did get that 3.5%, I don't see the feds overcoming it.

    , @Anonymous

    The government has more and bigger guns than ordinary folk. That was not the case in the late 18th century but it is now. The government has lots and lots and lots of guns and it has lot of loyal servants who will use those guns on anyone who opposes the government. Those servants, the police and the military, are loyal to anyone who is paying them.

    Because the government has infinitely greater firepower than ordinary folk the government can take the guns away from ordinary people any time it wants to. It doesn’t do this because it’s more advantageous to take away people’s freedoms while allowing them to keep their guns. That way the poor dumb bastards won’t even notice the disappearance of their actual freedoms.
     
    The US is sufficiently saturated with guns that enough will survive any concentrated confiscation program by sheer accident to give potential revolutionaries enough to do what needs doing. The limiting factor will be finding people with the will to do it, not getting guns.

    I do believe that people who have some surplus cash would be smart to squirrel away a few guns purchased cash from private parties if legal in their jurisdiction just on general principles, not so much to 'overthrow the gummint' as to protect oneself from street thugs and as barter items. If you're the DIY sort you might buy a few 80% lowers or 1911 frames and the tools to make them function, with some parts kits.
  249. @Alden
    Her father was a communist European Jew who immigrated to Mexico to instigate a revolution and quickly married the darkest Indian woman he could find to show commie solidarity with the oppressed.

    ¿¡Jeb!?

    • Replies: @Hail
    The phrase "High-Low Tagteam" gets tossed around a lot, but with Jeb, it has the elegance of being both literally true and metaphorically true.

    See here for 'literally true':



    https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/09/09-jeb-columba-bush.w700.h700.jpg
  250. @CAL2
    Magic: The Untold Story gives a lot of background material on the intel the US government was collecting. The Japanese were planning on running a full scale espionage and sabotage campaign in the US. They expected to use the vast number of Japanese organizations in the country. It was realistic considering the actions of Japanese nationals and their descendants in the Philippines and China.

    The US army would have been happy with simply excluding the Japanese from critical areas. The problem was the Japanese were clustered around critical areas and there were so many of those areas on the West coast, nothing was feasible.

    Another thing, people like to point out that Hoover said it wasn't necessary. The problem there is the FBI had done horribly in WWI with several people of German heritage committing sabotage. No one was taking the chance on the FBI this time around.

    Finally, the exclusion order didn't force people into camps. They could move anywhere into the interior of the country. For most though, that wasn't possible because they didn't really know anyone.

    The US army would have been happy with simply excluding the Japanese from critical areas. The problem was the Japanese were clustered around critical areas and there were so many of those areas on the West coast, nothing was feasible.

    Such as Hawaii?

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    The two leading proponents of rounding up [Japanese-] Americans were McCloy (“Mr. Establishment”)
    and California’s favorite native son, the progressive champion, Earl Warren.

    When will California strike the name of Earl Warren from every public building (college!) and road?

  251. @Anon
    Kahlo wasn't a big deal in the art world until the last couple of generations, and her awful artwork is highly overrated. Jewish critics elevated her status solely because she was Jewish and had enough third world genes to give them SJW brownie points for celebrating her downtroddenness. When you study art history, there's scarcely a Jew to be found until you hit the 20th-century moderns. There really aren't very many Jewish painters with any talent of any sort. Jews are verbally skilled instead of visual-spacial and mechanically skilled, and Jewish art critics are touchy about the lack of great Jewish painters the way blacks are touchy about the lack of black scientists. Consequently, Jewish critics keep trying to rearrange the list of greats to favor Jews.

    Was Frida Kahlo really Jewish?

    • Replies: @Shmendrix
    Not according to Wikipedia. Apparently she claimed her father was Jewish when was actually Lutheran. "Carl Wilhelm" is hardly a typical Hebraic given name.

    My dad who passed away in 2017 was a Washington High graduate, class of '45, which means he would have seen if not remembered this particular mural. I would have liked to ask him about it.

  252. @L Woods
    Rather, power extends from the mouth of a megaphone. No need to shoot anyone when you can violate and dominate their minds through relentless media bombardment.

    It would appear so.

  253. istevefan says:
    @dfordoom

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don’t think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don’t seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.
     
    The government has more and bigger guns than ordinary folk. That was not the case in the late 18th century but it is now. The government has lots and lots and lots of guns and it has lot of loyal servants who will use those guns on anyone who opposes the government. Those servants, the police and the military, are loyal to anyone who is paying them.

    Because the government has infinitely greater firepower than ordinary folk the government can take the guns away from ordinary people any time it wants to. It doesn't do this because it's more advantageous to take away people's freedoms while allowing them to keep their guns. That way the poor dumb bastards won't even notice the disappearance of their actual freedoms.

    , @alden,

    You all are correct that the government outguns the people. But the government will not be in a position to bring overwhelming firepower. Our armed forces are designed to fight other nation’s forces. Their wet dream is to have thousands of enemy soldiers out on an open plain where they can use their superior air force to wipe out that force.

    Our armed forces do not like fighting insurgents who are mixed in with the locals. You can’t use overwhelming firepower without a lot of collateral damage, which of course leads to more insurgents. We’ve been held to a standstill in Afghanistan fighting a few thousand guys with rifles and some RPGs. We didn’t cope too well in Iraq after we steamrolled the Iraqi army.

    I often hear liberals mock us by saying the government has nukes. Well they ain’t going to use nukes, and they aren’t going to use overwhelming firepower when we live in the same neighborhoods as the other side.

    Here is a story from the BBC about it only taking 3.5% of the population to effect major changes. That means if we could get 11 million or so folks who were committed, we could probably effect a change.

    Eleven million armed civilians would overwhelm the armed forces who have about 1.3 million active and about 800K reservists. So that is a combined 2.1 million in all our forces with all our branches. In other words they ain’t all infantry or armor. The majority of them are REMFs (rear echelon mother f*ckers), and they will be fighting with one hand behind their back.

    I think I read somewhere that only 400 IRA guys kept the British army tied down in Northern Ireland. It really doesn’t take a lot. And if we did get that 3.5%, I don’t see the feds overcoming it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes, say what you want about the late Harold Covington, he did one of the most rational analyses of what it would take to "kick over the old regime", at least in a designated and strategically chosen subset of territory. But we are not there yet.

    Nowhere in any feasible geographic area of the US is there sufficient popular sentiment that would give a band of rebels the cover they'd need. Any attempt at a general delegitimation of the standing government now would be stamped out quickly and efficiently.

    Could that change? Yes, but not in the near future. A fair number of intelligent, functional, physically and emotionally fit Whites will have to be made cold, hungry and scared for their and their children's future.

    But given a sufficiently stupid and radical Democratic president and Dem control of both houses, they could precipitate something like this. I don't foresee any GOP stupidity doing this, but that could be exactly wrong. I do think it will take a sustained poor economy combined with some government provocation.
    , @bruce county
    Great comment . I want to use somewhere else.
    Three point five percent!!!! WTF are we waiting for. Though it is based on peaceful protest. Where's the fun in that.
    , @95Theses
    Well said.

    The same holds for those opponents of the Second Amendment who keeping rehashing the old chestnut that "Shall not infringe" logically extends to A-bombs and F-22s.

    Sigh.
    , @BB753
    On the contrary, the government WILL use overwhelming power against any insurgents, and they'll be monitored by all intelligence agencies and "patriotic" informants.
    First they'll tar the insurgents as white supremacists, then they'll go full Waco on them, with incendiary bombs and special forces shooting to kill.
  254. OT-

    Multinational soap merchant makes an anti-bias commercial. There must be research that supports these sorts of branding expenditures.

    https://us.pg.com/talkaboutbias/

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    When I was in advertising I worked on a P&G account. They were politically correct even then, 20 years ago.
    , @Desiderius
    By the time P&G (thanks for giving my mom stock options now worth millions) is making ads about it it's a status marker but not for long.
  255. @Desiderius
    ¿¡Jeb!?

    The phrase “High-Low Tagteam” gets tossed around a lot, but with Jeb, it has the elegance of being both literally true and metaphorically true.

    See here for ‘literally true’:

    [MORE]

  256. istevefan says:
    @Dumbo
    There's no more clear indication of America's decadence and loss of can-do attitude that the fact that simply painting over a wall can cost such an astronomical amount of money. No wonder everything is outsourced to the Chinese.
    Also the obsession with destroying any remnant of the past that might remotely appear "racist" is now becoming a form of insanity.
    I don't see what's racist about the mural. Is now simply featuring slaves "racist"?
    Should we deny that slavery ever existed?
    Maybe one of the slaves should have a blond woman on his arm, to promote mixed couples, and then it would be alright?
    Imagine if the Italians started destroying the Colosseum because "Romans were racist and had slaves".
    As demented as Europeans have become, there is still a general respect for the past. At least for now. I'm aware that globalists hate that too.

    There’s no more clear indication of America’s decadence and loss of can-do attitude that the fact that simply painting over a wall can cost such an astronomical amount of money. No wonder everything is outsourced to the Chinese.

    Speaking about can-do attitude and the Chinese, check out this bridge that the Chinese built parallel to a railroad track so as to not interfere with train traffic. Then when ready, they rotated the bridge about 90 degrees into position to go over the tracks. So the bridge was built without disturbing rail traffic. Could we do this in the USA?

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown

    Could we do this in the USA?
     
    Well, first we will have to do an environmental impact study and the subsequent 30 corresponding lawsuits. That will take a decade. Then there is the disparate racial impact study of building the bridge. The United States could do the same after 20 years of litigation and expending 2 Billion Dollars in the construction.

    China is basically national socialism with capitalistic characteristics, but no one in polite society wants to talk about it. It has its serious faults and there is a legitimate question as to its longevity, but it certainly is effective at building things.
    , @International Jew

    So the bridge was built without disturbing rail traffic. Could we do this in the USA?
     
    We don't need to, because on most lines our train traffic is sparse enough to give a bridge construction crew hours of uninterrupted time!
  257. fnn says:
    @nebulafox
    The Weimar Republic gets all the headlines for obvious reasons, but most countries in Europe had some deeply serious political issues after WWI. The Great Depression just made matters worse, but there was a sense from the get-go that the postwar Wilsonian democratic order that rose from the ashes was artificial, senseless, and not worth defending. Few would.

    Some, like Italy, Hungary, or Poland, quickly became right-wing dictatorships in the response to the-very real-Bolshevik threat. Others, like France, were divided down the middle between the Communists and the Fascists: and would remain so up until WWII. France's military did its best, but it reflected its own deeply divided society: when the head is ill, the limbs unavoidably suffer. Even England was not immune to the general feeling of malaise and social unrest.

    The only real victor in WWI was the United States, put bluntly. Russia, for its part, would remain in a state of civil war and chaos until well into the 1920s-and though it would claim superpower status along with the USA after 1945, the repeated societal and demographic calamities that befell it between 1914 and 1945 (and even before then... late 1800s and early 1900s Russia was not a fun place, with terrorism being so common that bomb making manuals were found in even the humblest villages) did as much as anything to lead to the collapse to the USSR. The USA is a very lucky country. I have a bad feeling we've been running off that luck for too long and when it runs out, we won't be able to cope.

    WWI just permanently wrecked Europe, above all psychologically. There's no other way of saying it. That's the moment the bourgeois age became forfeit, even if it'd take a quarter century more to die totally.

    The right-wing could have taken over France in a coup during the (((Stavisky ))) scandal of 1934, but they were too many disunited factions:
    https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/stavisky-affair

    The most strident outcry came from the far right, from the xenophobic and anti-Semitic newspapers Action Française and Je Suis Partout, but also from veterans organizations such as the Croix de Feu and from a less incendiary right wing that deplored the weaknesses of the parliamentary regime and yearned for a strong executive branch. The affair did not so much create as intensify such yearnings, but the varied laments at the lost victory of World War I, economic stagnation, and diplomatic impotence made for a powerful mix that finally exploded on the night of 6 February 1934, after six weeks of almost daily headlines about Sacha Stavisky and his accomplices. A violent antiparliamentary riot on and around the Place de la Concorde left 15 dead and 1,435 wounded. For the only time in the history of the Third Republic, sedition forced out a sitting government, that of the Radical Édouard Daladier.

    So strong was the belief in the “Republic of cronies,” as Robert de Jouvenel had called it in his pamphlet of 1914, that when a magistrate who had once investigated Stavisky, Albert Prince, was found dead the following month on the railroad tracks near Dijon, the cry of murder rang out again. He too had committed suicide. But his death relaunched the affair, which finally petered out in the longest trial in French history, the prosecution of twenty of Stavisky’s accomplices, in the winter of 1935–1936.

  258. @istevefan

    There’s no more clear indication of America’s decadence and loss of can-do attitude that the fact that simply painting over a wall can cost such an astronomical amount of money. No wonder everything is outsourced to the Chinese.
     
    Speaking about can-do attitude and the Chinese, check out this bridge that the Chinese built parallel to a railroad track so as to not interfere with train traffic. Then when ready, they rotated the bridge about 90 degrees into position to go over the tracks. So the bridge was built without disturbing rail traffic. Could we do this in the USA?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLPjeSYUirA

    Could we do this in the USA?

    Well, first we will have to do an environmental impact study and the subsequent 30 corresponding lawsuits. That will take a decade. Then there is the disparate racial impact study of building the bridge. The United States could do the same after 20 years of litigation and expending 2 Billion Dollars in the construction.

    China is basically national socialism with capitalistic characteristics, but no one in polite society wants to talk about it. It has its serious faults and there is a legitimate question as to its longevity, but it certainly is effective at building things.

  259. @Mr. Anon

    I can’t imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual’s. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won’t take much to flip the court the other way.
     
    True. Apparently, all it will take is for John Roberts to change his mind.

    At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?
     
    I once heard someone put it pretty succinctly. The 2nd amendment states that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. If I had a right yesterday, and I don't have that right today, then that right has been infringed. I.e., if the Supreme Court decides that the 2nd amendment doesn't mean what it has always meant, then that ruling is neither legal nor constitutional, no matter what nine people in robes say.

    I agree with all you say. We are well on the way to losing our liberties as assuredly as Europe and the anglophone world is. In some areas, we are ahead of them in that loss. And "Muh Constitution" is not going to protect us.

    That conservatives still ascribe any legitimacy to the courts is utterly beyond me.

    • Agree: Anonymousse
    • Replies: @bomag

    still ascribe any legitimacy to the courts
     
    Our political opponents seem to have nicely hacked the institution: no shortage of federal judges to wade in on political decisions against Trump et al; plenty of law firms and institutions lined up to push the progressive agenda; the SCOTUS liberals are unwavering about voting together on political matters. Meanwhile, the alleged conservatives on the Court are happy to switch sides, in the name of ecumenism or something.
  260. @Hail

    around 0.190 miles between cameras
     
    If so, the farthest distance a human could be from a camera would be (0.190)/2, would it not? Exactly halfway between two cameras on that line.

    Unless I am missing something, that means 0.095 miles (<2 minutes' walking time).

    You are correct.

    I was thinking of the farthest walk to the next camera.

  261. @Alden
    I read a book once about the French communists and how they helped the Germans conquer France during the Hitler Stalin pact.

    One example; Retreating French regiment officers looked at the map and realized there was only one bridge over a deep wide river for about 30 miles. So if they blew up the bridge after they crossed it would greatly delay the German advance

    Town government was heavily communist To prevent blowing up the bridge the women and children occupied the bridge. So the French officers let it be and waited on the other side for the Germans

    Book made it very clear town didn’t object to inconvenience of not having a bridge but to the fact that it would hinder the German advance

    In the 1930s the Air Force was new and French communists made a great effort to join the Air Force.

    There were other incidents of communist sergeants purposely confusing information to officers, sending troops down the wrong road etc.

    The so called French resistance was heavily communist as was the Italian and E European ones. Goal; take over the post war government tactic; spot potential non communist leaders and kill them as the war ended leaving nothing but communists to form the post war government

    The so called French resistance was heavily communist

    Churchill’s enthusiastic support for such “resistance” movements was one of his many catastrophic blunders.

  262. @Logan
    Probably a nit. But.

    The weapon used to kill Trotsky was what we in America call an ice axe, the mountaineering tool, not the thing you use to chuck up block ice to put in drinks, which we call an icepick. You can use what we call an icepick to kill somebody, but it's not the most effective method. Generally for a reliable kill you'd need to get them good in the eye, ear or temple. Most likely to be effective in a complete surprise attack or if the person being attacked is unconscious or tied up.

    The confusion has probably arisen because the tool we call an ice axe is referred to in UK as an ice pick.

    As far as I know ice axe is correct,,,,,for the Trotsky murder weapon

  263. @anonymous

    Willie Brown stated that after observing the debates he believes that no Democrat candidate can win against Trump.
     
    Not even his former piece, Kamala??

    I guess not. From the article:

    California Sen. Kamala Harris got all the attention for playing prosecutor in chief, but her case against former Vice President Joe Biden boiled down in some ways to a ringing call for forced school busing. It won’t be too hard for Trump to knock that one out of the park in 2020.

  264. @istevefan

    There’s no more clear indication of America’s decadence and loss of can-do attitude that the fact that simply painting over a wall can cost such an astronomical amount of money. No wonder everything is outsourced to the Chinese.
     
    Speaking about can-do attitude and the Chinese, check out this bridge that the Chinese built parallel to a railroad track so as to not interfere with train traffic. Then when ready, they rotated the bridge about 90 degrees into position to go over the tracks. So the bridge was built without disturbing rail traffic. Could we do this in the USA?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLPjeSYUirA

    So the bridge was built without disturbing rail traffic. Could we do this in the USA?

    We don’t need to, because on most lines our train traffic is sparse enough to give a bridge construction crew hours of uninterrupted time!

  265. @Twinkie

    The US army would have been happy with simply excluding the Japanese from critical areas. The problem was the Japanese were clustered around critical areas and there were so many of those areas on the West coast, nothing was feasible.
     
    Such as Hawaii?

    The two leading proponents of rounding up [Japanese-] Americans were McCloy (“Mr. Establishment”)
    and California’s favorite native son, the progressive champion, Earl Warren.

    When will California strike the name of Earl Warren from every public building (college!) and road?

  266. @Digital Samizdat

    From what I’ve heard, most everyone had an affair with Frida.
     
    I know. One wonders where she found all that time to keep painting herself over and over!

    “One wonders where she found all that time to keep painting herself over and over!”

    Not if one considers all the time she saved by not tweezing her eyebrows.

  267. @Hail

    China already has 200 million public surveillance cameras
     
    China land area: 3,600,000 square miles

    Surveillance cameras per square mile: 55.5.

    Mathematically, that would be one camera every 0.133 miles. If they were equally spaced out (one camera every 0.133 miles), you could never be more than about 80 seconds' walk from a Communist surveillance camera, assuming 20 minutes to walk a mile (([0.133/2]*20)*60). And that's to walk all the way up to the camera itself. Less for being within the view of one.

    But a lot of China is desert, mountains, or sparsely populated area:

    “Mountains cover 58 percent of China. Deserts cover 28 percent. Plains and basins cover around 35 percent. Based on 2005 estimates, 14.86 percent (about 1.4 million square kilometers) of China’s land is arable.”.
    http://factsanddetails.com/china/cat10/sub64/item400.html

    So that increases surveillance camera density in populated areas considerably above the average you calculated from all of Chinese territory. 3,600,000 – 2,880,000 (80% of total area excluded- some mountains is also desert or farmed in terraces, plus some highways and railroads) = 720,000 monitored square miles/ 200,000,000 cameras= an average of one commie cam every .0036 miles, or 277.78 every square mile. However, this doesn’t include smartphone, computer, and other home cameras that their government most likely has access to.

  268. @Clifford Brown
    OT-

    Multinational soap merchant makes an anti-bias commercial. There must be research that supports these sorts of branding expenditures.

    https://us.pg.com/talkaboutbias/

    When I was in advertising I worked on a P&G account. They were politically correct even then, 20 years ago.

  269. @Clifford Brown
    OT-

    Multinational soap merchant makes an anti-bias commercial. There must be research that supports these sorts of branding expenditures.

    https://us.pg.com/talkaboutbias/

    By the time P&G (thanks for giving my mom stock options now worth millions) is making ads about it it’s a status marker but not for long.

  270. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan
    @dfordoom, @alden, @BB753

    You all are correct that the government outguns the people. But the government will not be in a position to bring overwhelming firepower. Our armed forces are designed to fight other nation's forces. Their wet dream is to have thousands of enemy soldiers out on an open plain where they can use their superior air force to wipe out that force.

    Our armed forces do not like fighting insurgents who are mixed in with the locals. You can't use overwhelming firepower without a lot of collateral damage, which of course leads to more insurgents. We've been held to a standstill in Afghanistan fighting a few thousand guys with rifles and some RPGs. We didn't cope too well in Iraq after we steamrolled the Iraqi army.

    I often hear liberals mock us by saying the government has nukes. Well they ain't going to use nukes, and they aren't going to use overwhelming firepower when we live in the same neighborhoods as the other side.

    Here is a story from the BBC about it only taking 3.5% of the population to effect major changes. That means if we could get 11 million or so folks who were committed, we could probably effect a change.

    Eleven million armed civilians would overwhelm the armed forces who have about 1.3 million active and about 800K reservists. So that is a combined 2.1 million in all our forces with all our branches. In other words they ain't all infantry or armor. The majority of them are REMFs (rear echelon mother f*ckers), and they will be fighting with one hand behind their back.

    I think I read somewhere that only 400 IRA guys kept the British army tied down in Northern Ireland. It really doesn't take a lot. And if we did get that 3.5%, I don't see the feds overcoming it.

    Yes, say what you want about the late Harold Covington, he did one of the most rational analyses of what it would take to “kick over the old regime”, at least in a designated and strategically chosen subset of territory. But we are not there yet.

    Nowhere in any feasible geographic area of the US is there sufficient popular sentiment that would give a band of rebels the cover they’d need. Any attempt at a general delegitimation of the standing government now would be stamped out quickly and efficiently.

    Could that change? Yes, but not in the near future. A fair number of intelligent, functional, physically and emotionally fit Whites will have to be made cold, hungry and scared for their and their children’s future.

    But given a sufficiently stupid and radical Democratic president and Dem control of both houses, they could precipitate something like this. I don’t foresee any GOP stupidity doing this, but that could be exactly wrong. I do think it will take a sustained poor economy combined with some government provocation.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    Who would have thought that the Ant People would rebel but they are rising up against the Commies:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFufaPBAlpg
  271. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    Mao, I think, once stated that power flows through the barrel of a gun. That might have been true, but I don’t think it is now. For all the guns we have, we don’t seem to be getting much power flowing out of them.
     
    The government has more and bigger guns than ordinary folk. That was not the case in the late 18th century but it is now. The government has lots and lots and lots of guns and it has lot of loyal servants who will use those guns on anyone who opposes the government. Those servants, the police and the military, are loyal to anyone who is paying them.

    Because the government has infinitely greater firepower than ordinary folk the government can take the guns away from ordinary people any time it wants to. It doesn't do this because it's more advantageous to take away people's freedoms while allowing them to keep their guns. That way the poor dumb bastards won't even notice the disappearance of their actual freedoms.

    The government has more and bigger guns than ordinary folk. That was not the case in the late 18th century but it is now. The government has lots and lots and lots of guns and it has lot of loyal servants who will use those guns on anyone who opposes the government. Those servants, the police and the military, are loyal to anyone who is paying them.

    Because the government has infinitely greater firepower than ordinary folk the government can take the guns away from ordinary people any time it wants to. It doesn’t do this because it’s more advantageous to take away people’s freedoms while allowing them to keep their guns. That way the poor dumb bastards won’t even notice the disappearance of their actual freedoms.

    The US is sufficiently saturated with guns that enough will survive any concentrated confiscation program by sheer accident to give potential revolutionaries enough to do what needs doing. The limiting factor will be finding people with the will to do it, not getting guns.

    I do believe that people who have some surplus cash would be smart to squirrel away a few guns purchased cash from private parties if legal in their jurisdiction just on general principles, not so much to ‘overthrow the gummint’ as to protect oneself from street thugs and as barter items. If you’re the DIY sort you might buy a few 80% lowers or 1911 frames and the tools to make them function, with some parts kits.

  272. @anon
    Here's another horribly offensive and triggering mural which had to be removed. For the children. Because of all the cracker kids.

    Oak Park spent only $3,526,277.08 million in white-out to get the job done.


    “I have had students approach me pointing out that this picture does not represent our student body or the diversity of Oak Park,” Fitzgerald wrote. “We will be working with the Social Justice Club and our parent Diversity Committee to create a mural/canvas that better represents Julian Middle School.”
     
    https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/4/15/18412889/historic-wpa-mural-featuring-only-white-children-removed-from-oak-park-school

    https://assets.infowars.com/2019/04/180419mural.jpg

    Too bad , I think it’s a charming painting . Reminds me of Bruegel .

  273. @Reg Cæsar
    That was Howard Zinn.

    Zinners in the hands of an angry God.

  274. @Lot
    I like that better than the communist’s murals. Better technique and content both.

    We’ve got 179 more where that came from. Really livened things up.

    https://www.artworkscincinnati.org/public-art/murals/all-murals/

  275. @Clyde
    jibe, not jive as in jive talking by the Bee Gees

    Now that you mention it I believe you are correct. How dissappointing. I may just continue using jive and take the status hit.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Just think of it in these terms...."I like the cut of his jib" https://www.bing.com/search?q=like+the+cut+of+his+jib&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN
  276. @Anon
    It's a lot fancier than my high school, which had no artwork at all on the walls, but then my silly academically-inclined school district spent its money on the basics, not the frills.

    The painting was funded by the WPA in 1936, as part of a vast Depression Era federal public relief program. The funding provided employment and income to hundreds of artists and artisans around the country, and over 10,000 art works were created for public buildings. Victor Artuanoff was just one of them, and the George Washington School mural (created when the school was built) was one of many.

    Artuanoff was paid $23.60 a week.

    https://www.newdealartregistry.org/artist/ArnautoffVictor/#

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Art_Project

  277. @Alden
    So Filipinos aren’t Pacific Islanders any more.

    Alden, I guess not in San Francisco?

    From the UCSF office of Diversity and Outreach –

    “At UCSF our working definition of an underrepresented minority (URM) is someone whose racial or ethnic makeup is from one of the following:

    African American / Black
    Asian: Filipino, Hmong*, or Vietnamese only
    Hispanic / Latinx
    Native American / Alaskan Native
    Native Hawaiian / Other Pacific Islander
    Two or more races, when one or more are from the preceding racial and ethnic categories in this list

    * Hmong is not an explicit option on the UC employment forms at this time.”

    • Replies: @Medvedev
    Great prove that all these diversity zealots are just anti-White racists.
    Filipinos make 45% more than Whites on average, yet they are underrepresented and oppressed.
    Filipino $88,745
    White $61,349
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income
  278. @bomag

    one camera every 0.133 miles
     
    The cameras would be centered on grids 0.133 miles on a side; walking the diagonals would give the least exposure, which would be around 0.190 miles between cameras. At 20 minutes per mile, one would be (0.190)(20) minutes between cameras; roughly four minutes.

    They certainly have enough territory covered . I saw a British true crime show where the police were able to track a murder suspect from his home town to the scene of the murder where a camera caught him getting off a bus within eyesight of his victims house , and then back home again .

    OTOH AFAIK they have never found out who this guy was :

  279. @Flip

    I can’t imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual’s. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won’t take much to flip the court the other way. At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?
     
    That's why I say that McConnell saved gun rights in America by stopping the anti-gun Garland from getting on the Supreme Court so we could have Gorsuch.

    NRO doubtless has “the conservative case for house to house gun confiscation raids” all written up and ready to print.

  280. eah says:

    So what’s your opinion about removing the mural? — that it’s OK but should cost less? — or what?

    unanimously voted

    It was done democratically, so it must be OK (just like any level and any kind of legal immigration).

    “It might be art and it can also be racist; it can be both,” said board member Alison Collins. “It’s not just about removing them from public view, it’s also about righting a wrong.”

    link

    Alison is personally committed to giving back to the public education system which helped her mother rise out of poverty, and helped her father become one of the first Black professors at UCLA. Her family history has fueled her passion for ensuring all students receive equal access to a quality education. Her diverse professional experience includes working as a school improvement coach, teacher, parent educator and diversity expert.

    Yes, check out the ‘diversity’ of her experience.

    One thing we now know for sure: these people don’t really believe in ‘teachable moments’ — or teachable murals.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    So what’s your opinion about removing the mural? — that it’s OK but should cost less? — or what?
     
    It should be blackened by a young crowd holding Zippo lighters and singing Melanie's "Candles in the Rain".

    Melanie is now a Libertarian, and Arlo Guthrie a Ron Paul guy. Some hippies do improve with age.
  281. @Lot
    Chomsky - defames our foreign policy
    Zinn - defames our domestic policy

    Zinn - discovered by leftards in sophomore year
    Chomsky - senior year

    Zinn – discovered by leftards in sophomore year
    Chomsky – senior year

    Yeah, but with Zinn, it’s the sophomore year of high school.

    Let’s not even get into James Loewen, who excoriated Americans for their racial sins from the lily-white luxury of Vermont.

    (No, He’s not a native. They never are.)

  282. If you’re even in interior North County San Diego, check out Palomar College’s new buildings. Somehow they (and their architects) managed to pay homage to the original campus — those post-war low slung brick buildings with lots of windows — yet be modern at the same time.

    Any sanity left in Cali is gonna come from places like that. ‘Multicultural’ but with a lot of colored vets, etc.

  283. @eah
    So what's your opinion about removing the mural? -- that it's OK but should cost less? -- or what?

    unanimously voted

    It was done democratically, so it must be OK (just like any level and any kind of legal immigration).

    “It might be art and it can also be racist; it can be both,” said board member Alison Collins. “It’s not just about removing them from public view, it’s also about righting a wrong.”

    link

    Alison is personally committed to giving back to the public education system which helped her mother rise out of poverty, and helped her father become one of the first Black professors at UCLA. Her family history has fueled her passion for ensuring all students receive equal access to a quality education. Her diverse professional experience includes working as a school improvement coach, teacher, parent educator and diversity expert.

    Yes, check out the 'diversity' of her experience.

    One thing we now know for sure: these people don't really believe in 'teachable moments' -- or teachable murals.

    So what’s your opinion about removing the mural? — that it’s OK but should cost less? — or what?

    It should be blackened by a young crowd holding Zippo lighters and singing Melanie’s “Candles in the Rain”.

    Melanie is now a Libertarian, and Arlo Guthrie a Ron Paul guy. Some hippies do improve with age.

  284. @danand
    Alden, I guess not in San Francisco?

    From the UCSF office of Diversity and Outreach -


    "At UCSF our working definition of an underrepresented minority (URM) is someone whose racial or ethnic makeup is from one of the following:

    African American / Black
    Asian: Filipino, Hmong*, or Vietnamese only
    Hispanic / Latinx
    Native American / Alaskan Native
    Native Hawaiian / Other Pacific Islander
    Two or more races, when one or more are from the preceding racial and ethnic categories in this list

    * Hmong is not an explicit option on the UC employment forms at this time."
     

    Great prove that all these diversity zealots are just anti-White racists.
    Filipinos make 45% more than Whites on average, yet they are underrepresented and oppressed.
    Filipino $88,745
    White $61,349
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

  285. Priming and painting 1,600 sq.ft. of wall is equivalent to painting 2-3 mid-size bedrooms (only walls). How hard could it be?
    Environmental impact … are they serious? The env impact study alone will cause more damage to the environment than repainting itself! I mean, liberal ‘think-tank’ which will do the study will need to breathe/eat/sh*t/fly/drive/etc.

  286. @Kronos
    One day, I’ll figure out how to upload photos to this site. I’m sure it has something to do with the “Insert MORE Tag.”

    I simply paste a url in the comment box, and it shows up as the image when I publish.

  287. @Steve Sailer
    How many American conservatives ever talk about Waugh?

    Lots. William F. Buckley did the intros for the American telecast of Brideshead Revisited on PBS.

    Buckley was of course an anglophile and Catholic. Probably the other Catholic-cons with whom he was surrounded were into Waugh, too.

    I remember Roger Kimball referencing Waugh, more specifically the “up to a point” joke. I don’t know whether he was Catholic, though he attended a Jesuit high school.

    P.J. O’Rourke despite the name is not Catholic, though unsurprisingly he is a Waugh fan. Because he has that whole travelogue biting satire thing going.

  288. @Steve Sailer
    Was Frida Kahlo really Jewish?

    Not according to Wikipedia. Apparently she claimed her father was Jewish when was actually Lutheran. “Carl Wilhelm” is hardly a typical Hebraic given name.

    My dad who passed away in 2017 was a Washington High graduate, class of ’45, which means he would have seen if not remembered this particular mural. I would have liked to ask him about it.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    My dad who passed away in 2017 was a Washington High graduate, class of ’45, which means he would have seen if not remembered this particular mural. I would have liked to ask him about it.
     
    Your father had a good run. The problem is that when they are gone you cannot ask them a few...and really just a few.....,lingering questions. I have about five that will never be answered.
  289. @Clyde
    So....according to different news news sources Alexander has been mauled in the Tuva region of Russia near the Mongolian border by a bear which broke his back and he had to drink his own urine to stay alive while he was being kept for a future meal by the bears,

    He's also been found in Sochi on the Black Sea buried alive in a coffin which had been washed out form a cemetery after a heavy rain storm, and now he is in Kazakhstan where he has a chronic and disfiguring skin condition. He's not having a very good month is he?

    Answers to the name ‘Lucky’.

  290. In today’s Race Narrative, the problem is not that murals depict the oppression of Blacks and Indians.

    The problem is that a white man depicted that oppression, so he must have done so for racist reasons. Never mind that he was an uber-progressive, i.e. a Communist. He was White.

    The logical next step in the evolution of woke thinking will be that any white person who speaks about racial injustice is, necessarily, a racist, because he reminds black people that they are suffering. And to remind a person of their present or historical suffering is, in itself, to further inflict suffering.

  291. @Anon
    Kahlo wasn't a big deal in the art world until the last couple of generations, and her awful artwork is highly overrated. Jewish critics elevated her status solely because she was Jewish and had enough third world genes to give them SJW brownie points for celebrating her downtroddenness. When you study art history, there's scarcely a Jew to be found until you hit the 20th-century moderns. There really aren't very many Jewish painters with any talent of any sort. Jews are verbally skilled instead of visual-spacial and mechanically skilled, and Jewish art critics are touchy about the lack of great Jewish painters the way blacks are touchy about the lack of black scientists. Consequently, Jewish critics keep trying to rearrange the list of greats to favor Jews.

    Many great Jewish comic book/comic strip artists: Will Eisner, Jack Kirby, Gil Kane, Neal Adams, Joe Kubert, Al Capp, Mort Drucker, Al Jaffee, Harvey Kurtzman, just to name a few of the very best.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    Mad Magazine had a huge number of talented Jewish comic strip artists, but they had a bunch of Italian Americans, Latins and others, too.

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/maditsmadfunny/images/3/32/Gang1200.jpg

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/maditsmadfunny/images/5/5f/Gangkey.jpg

    , @Harry Baldwin
    Neal Adams isn't Jewish.
  292. @Anon
    Kahlo wasn't a big deal in the art world until the last couple of generations, and her awful artwork is highly overrated. Jewish critics elevated her status solely because she was Jewish and had enough third world genes to give them SJW brownie points for celebrating her downtroddenness. When you study art history, there's scarcely a Jew to be found until you hit the 20th-century moderns. There really aren't very many Jewish painters with any talent of any sort. Jews are verbally skilled instead of visual-spacial and mechanically skilled, and Jewish art critics are touchy about the lack of great Jewish painters the way blacks are touchy about the lack of black scientists. Consequently, Jewish critics keep trying to rearrange the list of greats to favor Jews.

    Trying to think of great Jewish artists, the first names that sprang to my mind were the Ruisdaels -Salomon, Isaack & Jacob. But it turns out that, despite their misleading first names, they were Christians! Live & learn.

    In the twentieth century, of course, Jews became extremely prominent in the business of chattering about art – most notably, Harold Rosenberg & Clement Greenberg.

    Shortly thereafter, guys like Mark Rothko started rising to prominence.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Check out Pollock. Great movie. But you have already seen? The guy was no fag like most artists today be they male or female..
    , @Old Palo Altan
    A story reminiscent of a French friend who once informed me solemnly that Abraham Lincoln was, of course, a Jew.
  293. @the one they call Desanex
    Many great Jewish comic book/comic strip artists: Will Eisner, Jack Kirby, Gil Kane, Neal Adams, Joe Kubert, Al Capp, Mort Drucker, Al Jaffee, Harvey Kurtzman, just to name a few of the very best.

    Mad Magazine had a huge number of talented Jewish comic strip artists, but they had a bunch of Italian Americans, Latins and others, too.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Great chart. I read Mad Magazine when I was little. I had a bushel basket like this one https://binged.it/2RQ9luP of DC comics and this greatly helped me learn how to read.
    , @the one they call Desanex

    ... they had a bunch of Italian Americans, Latins and others, too
     
    Speaking of Latins, one of Mad’s best artists of recent years has been Hermann Mejia, from Venezuela. He’s a master caricaturist, and does wonderful things with watercolor.
    https://i.pinimg.com/564x/a6/e9/5c/a6e95cbf1111c02379ee484237d5291d.jpg
  294. @L Woods
    That conservatives still ascribe any legitimacy to the courts is utterly beyond me.

    still ascribe any legitimacy to the courts

    Our political opponents seem to have nicely hacked the institution: no shortage of federal judges to wade in on political decisions against Trump et al; plenty of law firms and institutions lined up to push the progressive agenda; the SCOTUS liberals are unwavering about voting together on political matters. Meanwhile, the alleged conservatives on the Court are happy to switch sides, in the name of ecumenism or something.

  295. @Anonymous
    The removal Christianity as the core of morality has bought back literal human sacrofice, infantcide and a eunic class..

    The removal Christianity as the core of morality has bought back literal human sacrofice, infantcide and a eunic class..

    Indeed! Now we are in the era of invent your own morality. Good parents have trouble passing down virtues because the schools and children’s peer groups work against them. Internet and smart phones= 24 hour access to the www and messages and emails=atomize, destroy and you must consume stupid shit.

  296. @PiltdownMan
    Mad Magazine had a huge number of talented Jewish comic strip artists, but they had a bunch of Italian Americans, Latins and others, too.

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/maditsmadfunny/images/3/32/Gang1200.jpg

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/maditsmadfunny/images/5/5f/Gangkey.jpg

    Great chart. I read Mad Magazine when I was little. I had a bushel basket like this one https://binged.it/2RQ9luP of DC comics and this greatly helped me learn how to read.

  297. @vinteuil
    Trying to think of great Jewish artists, the first names that sprang to my mind were the Ruisdaels -Salomon, Isaack & Jacob. But it turns out that, despite their misleading first names, they were Christians! Live & learn.

    In the twentieth century, of course, Jews became extremely prominent in the business of chattering about art - most notably, Harold Rosenberg & Clement Greenberg.

    Shortly thereafter, guys like Mark Rothko started rising to prominence.

    Check out Pollock. Great movie. But you have already seen? The guy was no fag like most artists today be they male or female..

    • Replies: @vinteuil

    Check out Pollock. Great movie.
     
    You mean, scenes like this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lvUr5ZtSjM

    Personally, I imagine the creative process differently:

    That girls at puberty may find
    The first Adam in their thought,
    Shut the door of the Pope’s chapel,
    Keep those children out.
    There on that scaffolding reclines
    Michael Angelo.
    With no more sound than the mice make
    His hand moves to and fro.

    Like a long-legged fly upon the stream
    His mind moves upon silence.


    But, then Michelangelo was a ***, I guess.
  298. @Shmendrix
    Not according to Wikipedia. Apparently she claimed her father was Jewish when was actually Lutheran. "Carl Wilhelm" is hardly a typical Hebraic given name.

    My dad who passed away in 2017 was a Washington High graduate, class of '45, which means he would have seen if not remembered this particular mural. I would have liked to ask him about it.

    My dad who passed away in 2017 was a Washington High graduate, class of ’45, which means he would have seen if not remembered this particular mural. I would have liked to ask him about it.

    Your father had a good run. The problem is that when they are gone you cannot ask them a few…and really just a few…..,lingering questions. I have about five that will never be answered.

  299. @Alden
    The Dunham’s raised their daughter to be a communist pro black activist. From about 1930 to 1970 White commie parents urged their daughters to marry blacks so as to produce mulatto leaders. There were thousands of those unions. It was a successful program. It produced our first black president

    “our first black president”

    I’m sorry…. I still gag and can taste vomit in my mouth every time I read or hear those words.

  300. @vinteuil
    Trying to think of great Jewish artists, the first names that sprang to my mind were the Ruisdaels -Salomon, Isaack & Jacob. But it turns out that, despite their misleading first names, they were Christians! Live & learn.

    In the twentieth century, of course, Jews became extremely prominent in the business of chattering about art - most notably, Harold Rosenberg & Clement Greenberg.

    Shortly thereafter, guys like Mark Rothko started rising to prominence.

    A story reminiscent of a French friend who once informed me solemnly that Abraham Lincoln was, of course, a Jew.

    • LOL: vinteuil
  301. @PiltdownMan
    Mad Magazine had a huge number of talented Jewish comic strip artists, but they had a bunch of Italian Americans, Latins and others, too.

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/maditsmadfunny/images/3/32/Gang1200.jpg

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/maditsmadfunny/images/5/5f/Gangkey.jpg

    … they had a bunch of Italian Americans, Latins and others, too

    Speaking of Latins, one of Mad’s best artists of recent years has been Hermann Mejia, from Venezuela. He’s a master caricaturist, and does wonderful things with watercolor.

  302. @Harry Baldwin
    "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" only if you are willing to use it. The Left is more prone to violence than the Right. Even in WW II, it was the communists in France that were most willing to fight the Nazi occupiers and communists in Malaysia who fought the Japanese. Leftists are animated by anger and a resentment of the status quo. By nature, people on the right are more law abiding and respectful of authority. They may be more dangerous when violent because of military experience and/or familiarity with firearms, but they are less prone to lash out.

    By nature, people on the right are more law abiding and respectful of authority. They may be more dangerous when violent because of military experience and/or familiarity with firearms, but they are less prone to lash out.

    Excellent point–and that is why it will be conservative’s fault if/(imho when) a future US Civil War breaks out–they will have remained civil and “tolerant” of abuse after abuse after abuse until the straw finally breaks the camel’s back.

    An anti-second amendment Supreme Court decision (discussed in this thread) might do it, but I suspect it would be the rounding up of white rural gun owners and tossing them in jail (in _very_ large numbers and in conservative states) that would be more likely to do it, particularly if there was a double standard and urban minority gangs were not targeted.

    • Replies: @95Theses
    And it sure would help if all those radio talk show hosts who call themselves "Conservatives" banded together to head-up a march/protest/demonstration or some other act of civil disobedience – provided they did so in a manner that made it crystal clear we meant business.
  303. @istevefan
    @dfordoom, @alden, @BB753

    You all are correct that the government outguns the people. But the government will not be in a position to bring overwhelming firepower. Our armed forces are designed to fight other nation's forces. Their wet dream is to have thousands of enemy soldiers out on an open plain where they can use their superior air force to wipe out that force.

    Our armed forces do not like fighting insurgents who are mixed in with the locals. You can't use overwhelming firepower without a lot of collateral damage, which of course leads to more insurgents. We've been held to a standstill in Afghanistan fighting a few thousand guys with rifles and some RPGs. We didn't cope too well in Iraq after we steamrolled the Iraqi army.

    I often hear liberals mock us by saying the government has nukes. Well they ain't going to use nukes, and they aren't going to use overwhelming firepower when we live in the same neighborhoods as the other side.

    Here is a story from the BBC about it only taking 3.5% of the population to effect major changes. That means if we could get 11 million or so folks who were committed, we could probably effect a change.

    Eleven million armed civilians would overwhelm the armed forces who have about 1.3 million active and about 800K reservists. So that is a combined 2.1 million in all our forces with all our branches. In other words they ain't all infantry or armor. The majority of them are REMFs (rear echelon mother f*ckers), and they will be fighting with one hand behind their back.

    I think I read somewhere that only 400 IRA guys kept the British army tied down in Northern Ireland. It really doesn't take a lot. And if we did get that 3.5%, I don't see the feds overcoming it.

    Great comment . I want to use somewhere else.
    Three point five percent!!!! WTF are we waiting for. Though it is based on peaceful protest. Where’s the fun in that.

  304. @Alden
    Conservatives are not pro White. They’ve lost on every issue since 1956. The big medium and small business community is solidly behind affirmative action and unlimited immigration of non Whites for every job from doctor to dishwasher

    Conservatives loathe traditional marriage and family because married people with children want a living wage so as to support themselves and kids in reasonable comfort.

    20 or more Indian or Chinese computer coolie families crowded into a 3 bedroom house. Hispanic families supported on welfare living in government housing free day care is what conservatives want

    They don’t want us with our demands for a living wage and reasonable working hours

    Conservatives are not pro White. They’ve lost on every issue since 1956. The big medium and small business community is solidly behind affirmative action and unlimited immigration of non Whites for every job from doctor to dishwasher

    Yes, agreed.

    Conservatives loathe traditional marriage and family because married people with children want a living wage so as to support themselves and kids in reasonable comfort.

    Yes, that’s pretty much so.

  305. @anon
    Here's another horribly offensive and triggering mural which had to be removed. For the children. Because of all the cracker kids.

    Oak Park spent only $3,526,277.08 million in white-out to get the job done.


    “I have had students approach me pointing out that this picture does not represent our student body or the diversity of Oak Park,” Fitzgerald wrote. “We will be working with the Social Justice Club and our parent Diversity Committee to create a mural/canvas that better represents Julian Middle School.”
     
    https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/4/15/18412889/historic-wpa-mural-featuring-only-white-children-removed-from-oak-park-school

    https://assets.infowars.com/2019/04/180419mural.jpg

    Great mural and the painter was Ethel Spears, a lesbian you can see via her wiki. Her art is flat and folk artist, kind of primativist and I like it. I like it yes I do. Many bing images of her work. https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Ethel+Spears&form=HDRSC2&first=1&cw=1129&ch=547

    • Replies: @Lot
    Like an urban Grandma Moses.
  306. @Desiderius
    Now that you mention it I believe you are correct. How dissappointing. I may just continue using jive and take the status hit.

    Just think of it in these terms….”I like the cut of his jib” https://www.bing.com/search?q=like+the+cut+of+his+jib&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    So many good memories with those Bee Gees eight-tracks though.
  307. @Steve Sailer
    A Stalin-sent hit squad led by a famous painter shot up Rivera's house with submachine guns trying to kill Trotsky, but missed. I think maybe they killed one of Trotsky's grandchildren.

    But after Trotsky got icepicked, Rivera and Kahlo decided it was a good idea to announce that they'd been for murdering Trotsky.

    Iceaxed, actually. Like what mountaineers use, not icepicked, like what bartenders use. Sorry, it’s a pet peeve of mine.

  308. @PiltdownMan
    Pity.

    The murals at George Washington High are really nice. I wonder if they're going to paint over all the mural sections.

    https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/41/11/17699422/5/920x920.jpg

    https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/03/41/11/17699453/5/gallery_xlarge.jpg

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5748a64186db431f09376739/5936e4a08419c23e7ea3fd5a/59fa14b627ef2dc4b491fac4/1510857132697/DSCF0556.jpg

    https://2zwmzkbocl625qdrf2qqqfok-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/WashingtonHighMural.1216.jpg

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5748a64186db431f09376739/5936e4a08419c23e7ea3fd5a/59fa14f56c319480cf301ccf/1510680893340/DSCF0530.jpg

    Blacks actually worked back then!

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Still do.
  309. @George
    What if all these public school moral scandals are really attempts to scam the system? This $1m to cover a smallish wall with primer is as the blog post points out a scam.

    But thinking about the 'movement' to make Stuyvesant woke by eliminating the entry test, I think that is a scam too. My theory: The NYC educational deep state is saying, if you want your, often Asian, kid ensconced in their protective bubble it will cost you. We want extra janitors, meal service personnel, ect. and nothing happens to your kid. The silly (Chinese?) parents and kids that showed up to the town hall meeting were foolish having bought into the theory that unlike other places (China?) Norman Rockwell promised them Freedom of Speech, or whatever they were thinking.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Speech_(painting)

    The NYC educational deep state started with Albert Shanker and the Ocean Hill Brownsville teachers strike. Steve Sailor and Woody Allen have a theory that I believe implies neo-con zero was Albert Shanker.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Shanker

    The NYC educational deep state started with Albert Shanker and the Ocean Hill Brownsville teachers strike. Steve Sailor and Woody Allen have a theory that I believe implies neo-con zero was Albert Shanker.

    You are right on Shanker./

  310. @Daniel H
    OK, I went over to Sherwin-Williams paint calculator. 1600 square feet, we will need four gallons per coat. Let's say we need two coats, so that's 8 gallons. Lowes sells Valspar Pro ExpressCoat Flat Antique, white latex for 10.98 per gallon. So, all told, we need to spend approximately $88.00 on paint. Double that for drop clots, brushes, rollers, etc we should be able to do this job for about $170 in materials.

    Well, I'm leaving home and going to San Francisco to take up painting.

    https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/try-on-colors/paint-calculator#/quick-calc-interior

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/Valspar-Pro-ExpressCoat-Flat-Antique-White-Latex-Paint-Actual-Net-Contents-128-fl-oz/1000525287

    Unless you paint it black that wall will take at least 4 coats I would bid that job at around $1200 if I was still in the business so you are not far off. Of course since its a gov’t school I the job would go to a non white firm for $875,000

  311. @Harry Baldwin
    From the article:

    “Orpah Winfrey describes racism as the everyday wearing down of the soul,” he said. “I thought about tens of thousands of students who had walked by that mural over and over and over again.”
     
    Orpah? I've noticed that newspapers no longer employ proofreaders.

    I experience the everyday wearing down of my soul when I see what progressives are doing to Western civilization, but nobody cares about my feelings.

    Should be Orcah.

  312. @Flip

    I can’t imagine what will happen when the left gets a 5-4 Supreme Court decision stating that the 2nd amendment is a group right, not an individual’s. Eleven years ago we only got a 5-4 decision that supported an individual right. It won’t take much to flip the court the other way. At that point our right to bear will be illegal, but it will have been accomplished legally and constitutionally. So what happens? Do cons tell us we have to obey the constitution?
     
    That's why I say that McConnell saved gun rights in America by stopping the anti-gun Garland from getting on the Supreme Court so we could have Gorsuch.

    Well, I believe the rights described in the Bill of Rights are properly understood to be God given, or natural rights which are merely named in the Constitution, not granted. Therefore, any proper conservative would likely ignore any decision to the contrary. Hypothetically, that is.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Don't say "believe" -- you are right, but the average new law school graduate "believes" that you are wrong. We need a major reform in our judiciary.
  313. @anon
    Here's another horribly offensive and triggering mural which had to be removed. For the children. Because of all the cracker kids.

    Oak Park spent only $3,526,277.08 million in white-out to get the job done.


    “I have had students approach me pointing out that this picture does not represent our student body or the diversity of Oak Park,” Fitzgerald wrote. “We will be working with the Social Justice Club and our parent Diversity Committee to create a mural/canvas that better represents Julian Middle School.”
     
    https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/4/15/18412889/historic-wpa-mural-featuring-only-white-children-removed-from-oak-park-school

    https://assets.infowars.com/2019/04/180419mural.jpg

    I have a puzzle of that painting. I had no idea it was so racist. I’ll get it out and do it again and have a cup of white hot chocolate to properly enjoy it.

  314. @anon

    everyones-got-surveillance-score-and-it-can-cost-you-big-money
     
    If it becomes illegal to charge someone "more", then it is also illegal to charge someone "less".

    Which takes us back to the fixed 'fair trade' pricing.

    https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/reports/resale-price-maintenance-economic-theories-and-empirical-evidence/233105.pdf

    Whenever something has the word "Fair" in its description, look out.

    This is a corollary to the wore "War" used in a non military context. "War on Poverty", "War on Drugs"

    It's folded back on itself on the so called "War on Terror", to include the quasi military, as an euphonium for something that can never be won.

    WW 2 was the last war that had the undesirable trait of ending after it was won.

    Very true, the War on Terror is like the March of Dimes. It just keeps on existing without any real purpose other than making money.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    Very true, the War on Terror is like the March of Dimes
     
    Good analogy. I think I might plagiarize it.
  315. @Clyde
    Just think of it in these terms...."I like the cut of his jib" https://www.bing.com/search?q=like+the+cut+of+his+jib&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN

    So many good memories with those Bee Gees eight-tracks though.

  316. @ricpic
    Blacks actually worked back then!

    Still do.

  317. @JMcG
    Well, I believe the rights described in the Bill of Rights are properly understood to be God given, or natural rights which are merely named in the Constitution, not granted. Therefore, any proper conservative would likely ignore any decision to the contrary. Hypothetically, that is.

    Don’t say “believe” — you are right, but the average new law school graduate “believes” that you are wrong. We need a major reform in our judiciary.

  318. @the one they call Desanex
    Many great Jewish comic book/comic strip artists: Will Eisner, Jack Kirby, Gil Kane, Neal Adams, Joe Kubert, Al Capp, Mort Drucker, Al Jaffee, Harvey Kurtzman, just to name a few of the very best.

    Neal Adams isn’t Jewish.

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    I never thought Neal Adams was Jewish either, until today, but he’s on this list:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_cartoonists
    His wikipedia page also says he’s Jewish. I also found out that Gene Colan, who was one of my favorites when I was a kid in the sixties (he drew Daredevil and Iron Man), is Jewish (if that list is to be believed).
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Neal Adams isn’t Jewish.
     
    John Adams isn't Jewish or WASP. He's Swedish.


    John Adams' Hallelujah Junction Book Excerpt
  319. @Anonymous
    Yes, say what you want about the late Harold Covington, he did one of the most rational analyses of what it would take to "kick over the old regime", at least in a designated and strategically chosen subset of territory. But we are not there yet.

    Nowhere in any feasible geographic area of the US is there sufficient popular sentiment that would give a band of rebels the cover they'd need. Any attempt at a general delegitimation of the standing government now would be stamped out quickly and efficiently.

    Could that change? Yes, but not in the near future. A fair number of intelligent, functional, physically and emotionally fit Whites will have to be made cold, hungry and scared for their and their children's future.

    But given a sufficiently stupid and radical Democratic president and Dem control of both houses, they could precipitate something like this. I don't foresee any GOP stupidity doing this, but that could be exactly wrong. I do think it will take a sustained poor economy combined with some government provocation.

    Who would have thought that the Ant People would rebel but they are rising up against the Commies:

  320. From San Francisco to Vårby, Sweden:

    YOU CAN NOW SUE YOUR FRIENDS FOR SKIPPING OUT ON HAPPY HOUR

    Thanks to Norrlands Guld beer. NB: you have to be 25 to enter their site. Ingemar, what gives? That’s worse than here.

    http://norrlandsguld.se/

  321. @BB753
    A citizen's militia armed with firearms would have been scary for the government up until the mid-1800's. Today, in order to to overthrow a government you need more than handguns and rifles: you need an aviation, drones, heavy artillery, armored vehicles, missiles, nukes, etc.
    So basically, the US population is as powerless as the UK's.

    Today, in order to to overthrow a government you need more than handguns and rifles: you need an aviation, drones, heavy artillery, armored vehicles, missiles, nukes, etc.

    Good PR and/or foreign assistance can also be useful.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @BB753
    Indeed, the American Revolution would have failed without the support of France and Spain.
    , @Ibound1
    Neither the US nor the international order can be overthrown or even changed but it has nothing to do with drones or guns or conservatives or liberals. It has to do with imagination

    No one can imagine anything but the US as currently constituted and functioning.

    We can’t even imagine increasing the number of representatives in the House, although each one represents 3 times the numbers they did 75 years ago. We can’t imagine anything but our states as they are. We can’t imagine not having immigrants pour over our border - it’s like the rain! It will come as it comes. It’s all unimaginable. Liberation needs to be from the idea, not from a government. Because no one can even imagine anything but what we have, we will continue to have it.

    It will take something very dramatic mentally to change this mindset - as dramatic as Islam ending the Eastern Roman Empire in the Levant and North Africa.
  322. @Harry Baldwin
    Neal Adams isn't Jewish.

    I never thought Neal Adams was Jewish either, until today, but he’s on this list:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_cartoonists
    His wikipedia page also says he’s Jewish. I also found out that Gene Colan, who was one of my favorites when I was a kid in the sixties (he drew Daredevil and Iron Man), is Jewish (if that list is to be believed).

  323. @Harry Baldwin
    Neal Adams isn't Jewish.

    Neal Adams isn’t Jewish.

    John Adams isn’t Jewish or WASP. He’s Swedish.

    John Adams’ Hallelujah Junction Book Excerpt

  324. @Reg Cæsar

    Today, in order to to overthrow a government you need more than handguns and rifles: you need an aviation, drones, heavy artillery, armored vehicles, missiles, nukes, etc.
     
    Good PR and/or foreign assistance can also be useful.

    Indeed, the American Revolution would have failed without the support of France and Spain.

  325. @Reg Cæsar

    Coit Tower major tourist attraction
     
    Is there a corresponding Coitus Tower?

    Actually, I think that's in Tallahassee.


    https://wtfflorida.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/florida-state-capitol-cock-balls.jpg

    The recently close San Onofre nuke plant looks a lot like…

  326. @Clyde
    Great mural and the painter was Ethel Spears, a lesbian you can see via her wiki. Her art is flat and folk artist, kind of primativist and I like it. I like it yes I do. Many bing images of her work. https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Ethel+Spears&form=HDRSC2&first=1&cw=1129&ch=547

    Like an urban Grandma Moses.

  327. Anonymous[406] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Kahlo wasn't a big deal in the art world until the last couple of generations, and her awful artwork is highly overrated. Jewish critics elevated her status solely because she was Jewish and had enough third world genes to give them SJW brownie points for celebrating her downtroddenness. When you study art history, there's scarcely a Jew to be found until you hit the 20th-century moderns. There really aren't very many Jewish painters with any talent of any sort. Jews are verbally skilled instead of visual-spacial and mechanically skilled, and Jewish art critics are touchy about the lack of great Jewish painters the way blacks are touchy about the lack of black scientists. Consequently, Jewish critics keep trying to rearrange the list of greats to favor Jews.

    Obviously, religious Jews have issues with depiction of the human form. It’s close to idolatry. It’s no accident that Christians such as the Puritans that draw heavily from OT Jewish religion also have produced few artists.

  328. @Old Prude
    From what I've heard, most everyone had an affair with Frida.

    You can’t turn a whore to a housewife example #1,000,000

  329. @backup

    Critics, including students and community groups, called for the 1,600-square-foot mural to be painted over with white paint
     
    O, the irony.

    White is okay!

  330. @Reg Cæsar

    Today, in order to to overthrow a government you need more than handguns and rifles: you need an aviation, drones, heavy artillery, armored vehicles, missiles, nukes, etc.
     
    Good PR and/or foreign assistance can also be useful.

    Neither the US nor the international order can be overthrown or even changed but it has nothing to do with drones or guns or conservatives or liberals. It has to do with imagination

    No one can imagine anything but the US as currently constituted and functioning.

    We can’t even imagine increasing the number of representatives in the House, although each one represents 3 times the numbers they did 75 years ago. We can’t imagine anything but our states as they are. We can’t imagine not having immigrants pour over our border – it’s like the rain! It will come as it comes. It’s all unimaginable. Liberation needs to be from the idea, not from a government. Because no one can even imagine anything but what we have, we will continue to have it.

    It will take something very dramatic mentally to change this mindset – as dramatic as Islam ending the Eastern Roman Empire in the Levant and North Africa.

  331. @BB753
    A citizen's militia armed with firearms would have been scary for the government up until the mid-1800's. Today, in order to to overthrow a government you need more than handguns and rifles: you need an aviation, drones, heavy artillery, armored vehicles, missiles, nukes, etc.
    So basically, the US population is as powerless as the UK's.

    Ho Chi Minh told me that that’s a cool story.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @BB753
    That was 50 years ago. Also, guerilla warfare works in Afghanistan or Vietnam, not on US soil. Too many cameras, drones, satellites, etc.
  332. @Hunsdon
    Ho Chi Minh told me that that's a cool story.

    That was 50 years ago. Also, guerilla warfare works in Afghanistan or Vietnam, not on US soil. Too many cameras, drones, satellites, etc.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Well you could recruit some Iranians to take out the drones (at $130 mil a pop there can't be too many) then you'd be good, right?
  333. @BB753
    That was 50 years ago. Also, guerilla warfare works in Afghanistan or Vietnam, not on US soil. Too many cameras, drones, satellites, etc.

    Well you could recruit some Iranians to take out the drones (at $130 mil a pop there can’t be too many) then you’d be good, right?

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    If that drone really cost $130 million the Iranians have already won, they just don't know it yet.
    It's called "extreme asymmetrical warfare".

    Assuming (big assumo)m the iranians are a little smarter and more competent thn Arabs, they should be able to make it simply unaffordable for the US to prosecute the war very long. Unless the US escalates to nukes.
  334. @Jim Christian

    I shit you not, the Trostkyites still have a student group across the bay at UC Berkeley, an open air asylum.
     
    UC Berkeley, isn't that the place where the kid who couldn't get laid should a bunch of girls who wouldn't lay him? Searches are muddy on the issue.

    Maybe if you rephrased the question.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Right. Should was a typo. I meant shot. Everyone got that. Except you. That's why allowing women into politics was a very, very bad idea. It's the female nature. Hassle the typo so you don't have to think about the overall issue, whatever it may be. Bad idea, heh..
  335. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius
    Well you could recruit some Iranians to take out the drones (at $130 mil a pop there can't be too many) then you'd be good, right?

    If that drone really cost $130 million the Iranians have already won, they just don’t know it yet.
    It’s called “extreme asymmetrical warfare”.

    Assuming (big assumo)m the iranians are a little smarter and more competent thn Arabs, they should be able to make it simply unaffordable for the US to prosecute the war very long. Unless the US escalates to nukes.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Nah, they escalated to cyberstuff. There's got to somebody in the whole deep state who doesn't have their head all the way up their ass who can handle that detail competently. Right?

    Failing that they can always let the Mossad handle it.

    , @anon
    2 generations ago Iranians were the largest foreign population in US universities, especially the science & engineering schools.

    Half a generation ago Arabs dominated the computer science dept. at one of USA's major engineering schools.

    Interesting that Iranians seem to be able to do more with their older technical training than KSA can even with USA. universities setting up extensions on Saudi sands.
  336. @Anonymous
    If that drone really cost $130 million the Iranians have already won, they just don't know it yet.
    It's called "extreme asymmetrical warfare".

    Assuming (big assumo)m the iranians are a little smarter and more competent thn Arabs, they should be able to make it simply unaffordable for the US to prosecute the war very long. Unless the US escalates to nukes.

    Nah, they escalated to cyberstuff. There’s got to somebody in the whole deep state who doesn’t have their head all the way up their ass who can handle that detail competently. Right?

    Failing that they can always let the Mossad handle it.

  337. @Jim Given
    Yes, when the Cultural Revolution takes its latest step, what, in the last phase may have been revolutionary can now become reactionary and subject to violent repression. Interesting ... I was just reviewing a poem my sixth grade elementary school class actually studied - it was handed out to us in mimeograph form. It was called, "The Congo: A Study of the Negro Race", by Vachel Lindsay: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47374/the-congo-a-study-of-the-negro-race

    My question is: What is the status of this poem? Yes, it was written by a white man, but a Progressive white man who meant, by writing it, to enlighten. Still, read, e.g., the section about, "The Irrepressible High Spirits" of the race the poem describes. Is this a sort of proto-rap? Or is this another piece of Hate Propaganda by white people? Bear in mind, Lindsay's Progressive intentions may or may not be important here-

    Ah, the aromatic scent of mimeograph! I remember it well.

  338. @istevefan
    @dfordoom, @alden, @BB753

    You all are correct that the government outguns the people. But the government will not be in a position to bring overwhelming firepower. Our armed forces are designed to fight other nation's forces. Their wet dream is to have thousands of enemy soldiers out on an open plain where they can use their superior air force to wipe out that force.

    Our armed forces do not like fighting insurgents who are mixed in with the locals. You can't use overwhelming firepower without a lot of collateral damage, which of course leads to more insurgents. We've been held to a standstill in Afghanistan fighting a few thousand guys with rifles and some RPGs. We didn't cope too well in Iraq after we steamrolled the Iraqi army.

    I often hear liberals mock us by saying the government has nukes. Well they ain't going to use nukes, and they aren't going to use overwhelming firepower when we live in the same neighborhoods as the other side.

    Here is a story from the BBC about it only taking 3.5% of the population to effect major changes. That means if we could get 11 million or so folks who were committed, we could probably effect a change.

    Eleven million armed civilians would overwhelm the armed forces who have about 1.3 million active and about 800K reservists. So that is a combined 2.1 million in all our forces with all our branches. In other words they ain't all infantry or armor. The majority of them are REMFs (rear echelon mother f*ckers), and they will be fighting with one hand behind their back.

    I think I read somewhere that only 400 IRA guys kept the British army tied down in Northern Ireland. It really doesn't take a lot. And if we did get that 3.5%, I don't see the feds overcoming it.

    Well said.

    The same holds for those opponents of the Second Amendment who keeping rehashing the old chestnut that “Shall not infringe” logically extends to A-bombs and F-22s.

    Sigh.

    • Replies: @95Theses

    keep rehashing
     
    Whoops! Got bit by the autocorrect feature and wasn't paying attention. Usually it's your friend, but sometimes ...
  339. @ThreeCranes
    If I'm not mistaken, the guys in blue seem to be saying "Hands up. Don't shoot."

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/04/11/arts/11sfmural3-LN/11sfmural3-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale

    HA! Great catch!

  340. @Justvisiting

    By nature, people on the right are more law abiding and respectful of authority. They may be more dangerous when violent because of military experience and/or familiarity with firearms, but they are less prone to lash out.
     
    Excellent point--and that is why it will be conservative's fault if/(imho when) a future US Civil War breaks out--they will have remained civil and "tolerant" of abuse after abuse after abuse until the straw finally breaks the camel's back.

    An anti-second amendment Supreme Court decision (discussed in this thread) might do it, but I suspect it would be the rounding up of white rural gun owners and tossing them in jail (in _very_ large numbers and in conservative states) that would be more likely to do it, particularly if there was a double standard and urban minority gangs were not targeted.

    And it sure would help if all those radio talk show hosts who call themselves “Conservatives” banded together to head-up a march/protest/demonstration or some other act of civil disobedience – provided they did so in a manner that made it crystal clear we meant business.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    Marginal utility of use of your time and effort is the enemy of the conservatives. An example is the highway toll issue here in the state of CT. The Democratic legislature wants to add electronic tolls--the "average commuting working stiff" will get fleeced to the tune of $500-$1,000 a year. (They will be fleeced because the gas tax was supposed to pay for highway maintenance but funds have been diverted for things like providing services to illegal immigrants in the sanctuary cities.)

    How much time and effort is it worth to fight an added cost of $500-$1,000 a year?

    The rational calculation is--not a whole lot--especially if you can move out of the state if things get _really_ bad--and especially if you know the crooked state politicians have a track record of ignoring the opinions of the "average working stiff".

    So, by definition, if you are a conservative protester on this issue you are a little bit "crazy", just like the lefty major media in the state say you are. :-(
  341. @95Theses
    Well said.

    The same holds for those opponents of the Second Amendment who keeping rehashing the old chestnut that "Shall not infringe" logically extends to A-bombs and F-22s.

    Sigh.

    keep rehashing

    Whoops! Got bit by the autocorrect feature and wasn’t paying attention. Usually it’s your friend, but sometimes …

  342. @Clyde
    Check out Pollock. Great movie. But you have already seen? The guy was no fag like most artists today be they male or female..

    Check out Pollock. Great movie.

    You mean, scenes like this?

    Personally, I imagine the creative process differently:

    That girls at puberty may find
    The first Adam in their thought,
    Shut the door of the Pope’s chapel,
    Keep those children out.
    There on that scaffolding reclines
    Michael Angelo.
    With no more sound than the mice make
    His hand moves to and fro.

    Like a long-legged fly upon the stream
    His mind moves upon silence.

    But, then Michelangelo was a ***, I guess.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Great scene from the Pollock movie. Thanks.
  343. @Carol
    Maybe if you rephrased the question.

    Right. Should was a typo. I meant shot. Everyone got that. Except you. That’s why allowing women into politics was a very, very bad idea. It’s the female nature. Hassle the typo so you don’t have to think about the overall issue, whatever it may be. Bad idea, heh..

  344. @95Theses
    And it sure would help if all those radio talk show hosts who call themselves "Conservatives" banded together to head-up a march/protest/demonstration or some other act of civil disobedience – provided they did so in a manner that made it crystal clear we meant business.

    Marginal utility of use of your time and effort is the enemy of the conservatives. An example is the highway toll issue here in the state of CT. The Democratic legislature wants to add electronic tolls–the “average commuting working stiff” will get fleeced to the tune of $500-$1,000 a year. (They will be fleeced because the gas tax was supposed to pay for highway maintenance but funds have been diverted for things like providing services to illegal immigrants in the sanctuary cities.)

    How much time and effort is it worth to fight an added cost of $500-$1,000 a year?

    The rational calculation is–not a whole lot–especially if you can move out of the state if things get _really_ bad–and especially if you know the crooked state politicians have a track record of ignoring the opinions of the “average working stiff”.

    So, by definition, if you are a conservative protester on this issue you are a little bit “crazy”, just like the lefty major media in the state say you are. 🙁

  345. @istevefan
    @dfordoom, @alden, @BB753

    You all are correct that the government outguns the people. But the government will not be in a position to bring overwhelming firepower. Our armed forces are designed to fight other nation's forces. Their wet dream is to have thousands of enemy soldiers out on an open plain where they can use their superior air force to wipe out that force.

    Our armed forces do not like fighting insurgents who are mixed in with the locals. You can't use overwhelming firepower without a lot of collateral damage, which of course leads to more insurgents. We've been held to a standstill in Afghanistan fighting a few thousand guys with rifles and some RPGs. We didn't cope too well in Iraq after we steamrolled the Iraqi army.

    I often hear liberals mock us by saying the government has nukes. Well they ain't going to use nukes, and they aren't going to use overwhelming firepower when we live in the same neighborhoods as the other side.

    Here is a story from the BBC about it only taking 3.5% of the population to effect major changes. That means if we could get 11 million or so folks who were committed, we could probably effect a change.

    Eleven million armed civilians would overwhelm the armed forces who have about 1.3 million active and about 800K reservists. So that is a combined 2.1 million in all our forces with all our branches. In other words they ain't all infantry or armor. The majority of them are REMFs (rear echelon mother f*ckers), and they will be fighting with one hand behind their back.

    I think I read somewhere that only 400 IRA guys kept the British army tied down in Northern Ireland. It really doesn't take a lot. And if we did get that 3.5%, I don't see the feds overcoming it.

    On the contrary, the government WILL use overwhelming power against any insurgents, and they’ll be monitored by all intelligence agencies and “patriotic” informants.
    First they’ll tar the insurgents as white supremacists, then they’ll go full Waco on them, with incendiary bombs and special forces shooting to kill.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    Not if 3.5% of the population takes part. There is no way they take out 11 million armed Americans, many of whom would be combat vets. I would expect those 11 million, if they ever come together, would have a field day planting IEDS, something they learned about first hand in Iraq, and taking out infrastructure.
  346. @Desiderius
    Little late getting on Trump's bandwagon there.

    So then WW III dead ahead, in abt 10 years.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Could be, but I doubt it.

    Seems to me the world's relieved by any sign we may be headed back to Pax Americana instead of the Bellum Universalis/Nascent World Government that's been on the menu since at least 9/11 if not before.
  347. anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    The ridiculousness of these cost quotes aside, I wish that Commie painter were alive today to see his fellow cultural revolutionists tear his stuff down. It's worth every bit of the $372,000 that I'll bid.

    BTW, I've not seen gallons of paint for $11 in years, Daniel. You can save some buying 5-gallon containers, were you a prudent San Francisco school board member. Is that indoor latex, BTW? For outside paint, I'm here to tell you, 15 year paint lasts 5 years, 5 year paint lasts 2 years ... etc.

    Probably in 2029, San Francisco will pay $3.75 million to paint over the white paint with anti-racist beige paint.

    funniest line, made me spray coffee, turning blue upholstery mottled brown, but hey, it’s PC.

    Our local architectural recycling enterprise sells recycled latex paint in 5 gallon buckets @ $55 – $64 per bucket, depending upon interior vs exterior, finish, and color.
    It’s not bad stuff.

    Bear in mind, this product has been produced and sold for a number of years.
    Years before Bezos made Amazon amazonian.
    This serves to explain / apologize for the name of the recycled paint: Amazon.

  348. anon[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    If that drone really cost $130 million the Iranians have already won, they just don't know it yet.
    It's called "extreme asymmetrical warfare".

    Assuming (big assumo)m the iranians are a little smarter and more competent thn Arabs, they should be able to make it simply unaffordable for the US to prosecute the war very long. Unless the US escalates to nukes.

    2 generations ago Iranians were the largest foreign population in US universities, especially the science & engineering schools.

    Half a generation ago Arabs dominated the computer science dept. at one of USA’s major engineering schools.

    Interesting that Iranians seem to be able to do more with their older technical training than KSA can even with USA. universities setting up extensions on Saudi sands.

  349. @vinteuil

    Check out Pollock. Great movie.
     
    You mean, scenes like this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lvUr5ZtSjM

    Personally, I imagine the creative process differently:

    That girls at puberty may find
    The first Adam in their thought,
    Shut the door of the Pope’s chapel,
    Keep those children out.
    There on that scaffolding reclines
    Michael Angelo.
    With no more sound than the mice make
    His hand moves to and fro.

    Like a long-legged fly upon the stream
    His mind moves upon silence.


    But, then Michelangelo was a ***, I guess.

    Great scene from the Pollock movie. Thanks.

  350. @Carol
    So then WW III dead ahead, in abt 10 years.

    Could be, but I doubt it.

    Seems to me the world’s relieved by any sign we may be headed back to Pax Americana instead of the Bellum Universalis/Nascent World Government that’s been on the menu since at least 9/11 if not before.

  351. That’s a damn fine mural. Destroying it is an obscenity.

  352. istevefan says:
    @BB753
    On the contrary, the government WILL use overwhelming power against any insurgents, and they'll be monitored by all intelligence agencies and "patriotic" informants.
    First they'll tar the insurgents as white supremacists, then they'll go full Waco on them, with incendiary bombs and special forces shooting to kill.

    Not if 3.5% of the population takes part. There is no way they take out 11 million armed Americans, many of whom would be combat vets. I would expect those 11 million, if they ever come together, would have a field day planting IEDS, something they learned about first hand in Iraq, and taking out infrastructure.

    • Replies: @BB753
    11 million insurgents? Where did you get that figure from? You'd be lucky if 10,000 people show up.
  353. @JMcG
    Very true, the War on Terror is like the March of Dimes. It just keeps on existing without any real purpose other than making money.

    Very true, the War on Terror is like the March of Dimes

    Good analogy. I think I might plagiarize it.

  354. @istevefan
    Not if 3.5% of the population takes part. There is no way they take out 11 million armed Americans, many of whom would be combat vets. I would expect those 11 million, if they ever come together, would have a field day planting IEDS, something they learned about first hand in Iraq, and taking out infrastructure.

    11 million insurgents? Where did you get that figure from? You’d be lucky if 10,000 people show up.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    11 million is roughly 3.5 percent of the population. Percentage-wise it seems like a small figure, but with our 330 million population, it creates a large pool.

    Even if you estimate 1 percent of the population taking up arms, that still creates 3.3 million rebels who would outnumber the combined US armed forces, active and reserve.

    I believe 10 percent of our population aided or took part in our Revolution. And that BBC article theorizes that only 3.5 percent of the population is needed to effect changes.
  355. istevefan says:
    @BB753
    11 million insurgents? Where did you get that figure from? You'd be lucky if 10,000 people show up.

    11 million is roughly 3.5 percent of the population. Percentage-wise it seems like a small figure, but with our 330 million population, it creates a large pool.

    Even if you estimate 1 percent of the population taking up arms, that still creates 3.3 million rebels who would outnumber the combined US armed forces, active and reserve.

    I believe 10 percent of our population aided or took part in our Revolution. And that BBC article theorizes that only 3.5 percent of the population is needed to effect changes.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Sorry, you overestimate American citizens. In any case, any insurgency will be squashed by the police and military.
  356. @whiskey
    Leftists and Rightists, which is in turn a bad nomenclature, will fight with different intensity for different things at different times.

    During much of the Twentieth Century the Left was the lean and hungry types, hoping to seize power absolutely from what was essentially the lower nobility/ruling caste. And the right was the establishment.

    Now, the Left IS the man. They are into hunting down survivors in the weeds. Always dangerous for the victor, see Custer, and various other defeats as the cavalry over pursued.

    The Right WILL fight, when fleeing becomes impossible, and Negro Worship is ended. Much of what passes for civic religion is as the late Larry Auster (sadly missed) noted, worship of Black people instead of Christ. Unlike Christ, worship of Black people make no inconvenient demands on sexual conduct, on piety, on tithing, of worship and ceremony. Its a cheap and easy feelz religion that anyone and everyone can do, with a healthy dose of "I'm better than my ancestors and certainly my déclassé cousin."

    Already the right is fighting, in France, where the diversity tax is so high it threatens people's ability to live. Its happening here with the constant gas tax rises (up six cents on the July 1) to pay for free health care for illegals. If Trump is smart (always doubtful) he will frame the election as Democrats will take all your money to give free health care to illegals with no limits on illegals with open borders, and take all your belongings to give to Oprah, LeBron, and OJ for Black Reparations and Rosie O'Donnell and Buttigig for Gay Reparations.

    I consider myself a Christian, though in dire need of God's Grace and Mercy, certainly. But I'd have no problems having every brown kid in Latin America drown in the Rio Grande if it means I am not sleeping under a bridge while WORKING.

    I hope you’re correct about whites fighting when there’s no more room to run.

  357. @Alden
    Off topic

    In his latest San Francisco Examiner column, politician Willie Brown stated that after observing the debates he believes that no Democrat candidate can win against Trump. We’ll see if he’s right.

    I know many think Trump has been a total failure. I gave up hope of a pro White President long ago. But I hope Trump wins just to see the people who hate me and mine explode again.

    It’s certainly possible to have next to zero confidence that Trump will accomplish anything, or even try to accomplish anything, and also prefer his re-election to the election of any Dem by orders of magnitude.

  358. @istevefan
    11 million is roughly 3.5 percent of the population. Percentage-wise it seems like a small figure, but with our 330 million population, it creates a large pool.

    Even if you estimate 1 percent of the population taking up arms, that still creates 3.3 million rebels who would outnumber the combined US armed forces, active and reserve.

    I believe 10 percent of our population aided or took part in our Revolution. And that BBC article theorizes that only 3.5 percent of the population is needed to effect changes.

    Sorry, you overestimate American citizens. In any case, any insurgency will be squashed by the police and military.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    Our police and military are not exactly competent. How long have we been in Afghanistan?
  359. @BB753
    Sorry, you overestimate American citizens. In any case, any insurgency will be squashed by the police and military.

    Our police and military are not exactly competent. How long have we been in Afghanistan?

    • Replies: @BB753
    Running a guerilla warfare in Afghanistan and in the USA are different matters. For one think of the local informants, the intelligence agencies, satellites, cameras, drones, etc.
  360. @istevefan
    Our police and military are not exactly competent. How long have we been in Afghanistan?

    Running a guerilla warfare in Afghanistan and in the USA are different matters. For one think of the local informants, the intelligence agencies, satellites, cameras, drones, etc.

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