From the Associated Press:
San Francisco board open to reparations with $5M payouts
Published Mar 14, 2023 • Last updated 1 hour ago • 5 minute read
SAN FRANCISCO — Payments of $5 million to every eligible Black adult, the elimination of personal debt and tax burdens, guaranteed annual incomes of at least $97,000 for 250 years and homes in San Francisco for just $1 a family.
These were some of the more than 100 recommendations made by a city-appointed reparations committee tasked with the thorny question of how to atone for centuries of slavery and systemic racism. And the San Francisco Board of Supervisors hearing the report for the first time Tuesday voiced enthusiastic support for the ideas listed, with some saying money should not stop the city from doing the right thing.
Several supervisors said they were surprised to hear pushback from politically liberal San Franciscans apparently unaware that the legacy of slavery and racist policies continues to keep Black Americans on the bottom rungs of health, education and economic prosperity, and overrepresented in prisons and homeless populations.
“Those of my constituents who lost their minds about this proposal, it’s not something we’re doing or we would do for other people. It’s something we would do for our future, for everybody’s collective future,” said Supervisor Rafael Mandelman, whose district includes the heavily LGBTQ Castro neighborhood.
The draft reparations plan, released in December, is unmatched nationwide in its specificity and breadth. The committee hasn’t done an analysis of the cost of the proposals, but critics have slammed the plan as financially and politically impossible. An estimate from Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, which leans conservative, has said it would cost each non-Black family in the city at least $600,000.
Note that the 15 person commission that came up with this Christmas wish list is A) all black and B) not very bright. It’s not like the membership is former mayor Willie Brown and some black CPAs trying to put together something that might pass, it’s a black studies professor and various lowbrows from the community making up nonsense. But, still, they are black, so the gay Jewish lawyer supervisor from Yale has to act enthusiastic.
Tuesday’s unanimous expressions of support for reparations by the board do not mean all the recommendations will ultimately be adopted, as the body can vote to approve, reject or change any or all of them.
Narrator: The Board won’t ultimately adopt them.
This guy lives in a Camaro. I think the least we can do as wypipos is to life in our vehicles so that the Numinous Ones can have $5 million each, plus income and have all their debts paid off, etc etc.
My only question is what about the next generation of negroes? And the next? Aren’t they gonna want theirs too? Inflation adjusted please.
California… was never… a fucking… SLAVE STATE!!!!!
What’s next? Are Californians gonna pay “reparations” to the fucking Greeks for losing Constantinople??!!
I know! Let’s get a Greek Think Tank together to help us decide!
Because… we’re fucking CRAZY!!!
Well of course not. That’s why we ask for 5 or 10 million (including all the extra perks). So when we settle for $4 million all y’all wypipos feel like you getting a bargain.
And since we had to compromise again, we get to stay mad and keep wrecking yo sht in perpetuity.
Please oh please oh please adopt them….! The blackitude that follows will be the stuff of legend!
Gotta say, Yale or not, Mandelman doesn’t sound like the sharpest knife in the drawer either.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer city.
SF can loot itself, fuck CA.
Re: your last paragraph: as some famous philosopher said, “Who says A), says B).”
Reparations should come from the estates who organized, financed, transported, and managed the slave trade. These entities are well known as are their descendants. For example – much of Ursula von Der Leyen’s wealth stems from the colonial slave trade.
Ain’t that fair ?
What a bunch of pussy footing hypocrites!!!
If they *really* and *truly* want to show to the world what ‘good people’ they are, why not officially sponsor Oakland, the abused step sister across the water?
Just think what a difference that would make. Rich whites in SF living the privileged good life, whilst their dark brethren, out of sight and out of mind across the channel are ignored, looked over and despised, like they don’t exist, sequestered and hidden away, only fit to be suppliers of house maids, janitors and the like.
Come on, SF, do the right thing. Bring Oakland to your hearts and minds.
Herb Caen, who was a columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle before the City went completely off the rails, used to call San Francisco “Baghdad by the Bay”.
Today it is Bedlam by the Bay. An insane asylum the size of a city.
That’s exactly how it works. And for anything to change, the absolute bare minimum is for “conservatives” to stop idolizing Dr Rev St Martin Luther King, And then we need to get them to stop using a certain Austrian painter as the embodiment of evil.
In very related news, a New Jersey man has been unconstitutionally extradited to Florida for a lawful observation that a certain unlawful act against a very philo-Hebraic sheriff in Daytona would be conducive to a pro-human agenda.
Evil festers while good men cower.
Every black person should be given 2 million dollars and then immediately deported back to West Africa. No reparations without deportation.
Given the desirability of darkness, the last Asian or White family to leave SF should be sure to take the light bulb with them.
Atrocious! Every time I went just about anywhere in this city, they were handing me some more Atrocious Disparity. I can’t even tell you how much I had to receive. However, for a price, I’ll certainly try.
We give money away to the Ukraine, Wall Street, SVB depositors, Israel, Natsec parasites, and subsidize European parasites and the affectations of Taiwanese nationalists. At this point, why get worked up over about reparations?
I suspect like a lot of Ivy graduates, he’s not supersmart,but has a certain useful cunning that enables him to do better than you think. “Smith or Goldman, watch out for those bastards, they’ll skin you without knowing it. Bush and Kushner, those guys are idiots”.
Stupid doesn’t even explain these people! Productive, tax paying whites have been fleeing California in in astounding numbers the last few years, yet imbeciles, expect tax paying whites to stick around for this? Even mega wealthy shit libs, have their limits!
Who’s going to pay for this, the squatters shitting on the sidewalks of beautiful downtown San Fran? Wealthy lefties love handing out the gimmie gimmie’s when the money is coming out of a large tax base pot, like the federal government, but when you basically nudge them on the arm and say “write a check,” They are out!
Sure uber wealthy lefties write big checks for “causes,” but only when they can shine in the spotlight as individuals so they can receive their woke Pokémon points, and the cameras are rolling.
Something along the lines of President Lincoln’s thoughts might be better. How ‘bout a one way trip to Liberia, talking 1st class, not steerage. Once there, in exchange for giving up US citizenship, a monthly allowance of say $1,000 for life…a bargain compared to their cost to society here. They’ll live as rightful Kangs & Queens on that, the average yearly wage in Liberia being around $1,100 per annum. Able to afford their own “slaves” if it’ll make ‘em feels as betters. Most importantly they’ll finally fit, they’ll be…homey. Hell, open the offer to any US citizen who signs, regardless of race/creed. With good wishes I’d say goodbye and good luck over in the single star country.
Unfortunately, I’m thinking this talk of reparations is just a bate switch ruse. What will likely happen is some token amount, a bump added to their ‘ol EBT card. The add made just prior to every selection, er…election, to ensure proper outcomes.
The fact that such outlandish proposals are even being humored is a bad sign – some political jurisdiction is actually going to pull the trigger on this.
I suspect the only thing their recommendations will accomplish is to incite more black criminal behavior against Whites.
We can’t afford reparations for Blacks while Ukraine needs $100 billion per year and the banks need billions more each year to keep American oligarchs solvent.
I feel they were too reasonable in their plan for imaginary reparations that will never happen. They should have made it a gazillion dollars and specified that the $1 houses be made from lollipops and rainbows.
That’s not journalism, so it couldn’t have been written by reporter Janie Har (@janiehar) or cleared by the AP’s news editors. A stray paragraph from an Op-Ed by Ibrahim Kendi, Robin DeAngelo, or GPT3? (Too stupid to have been penned by GPT4 or even Ta-nehisi Coates.)
Edit: Maybe don’t count Ms. Har (UCB, Boalt JD) out too soon. The Korean Bolshevik is proud of her Feb. 22 AP story, Japanese Americans won redress, fight for Black reparations:
Famously, Black adolescents and young men patrol the streets of diverse neighborhoods, protecting elderly Japanese from white hate crimes. It’s so inspiring to see these fellow Coalition of the Fringes members practicing Allyship in return.
At least the Greeks (well really the Romans) first built something as cool and useful as Constantinople, before it got taken from them. They didn’t “lose” it, like loose change in your sofa cushions. It was taken from them. By diversity, I might add.
Not pictured: lottery winner who used the opportunity to get off fentanyl, proving once and for all that poverty is the only thing that ever held anyone back.
Have the Japanese Japanese paid anything to the survivors of their prison camps, and anything to the many more non-survivors of their prison camps?
Note that while the death rate for Brit prisoners was 20%, the death rate for the locals was up to 50%.
The Japanese were also pioneers of human experimentation, way before the Germans got at it.
“Unit 731 was responsible for some of the most notorious war crimes committed by the Japanese armed forces. It routinely conducted tests on people who were dehumanized and internally referred to as “logs”. Experiments included disease injections, controlled dehydration, hypobaric chamber experiments, biological weapons testing, vivisection, amputation, and standard weapons testing. Victims included not only kidnapped men, women (including pregnant women) and children, but also babies born from the systemic rape perpetrated by the staff inside the compound. The victims came from different nationalities, with the majority being Chinese and a significant minority being Russian. Additionally, Unit 731 produced biological weapons that were used in areas of China not occupied by Japanese forces, which included Chinese cities and towns, water sources, and fields. Estimates of those killed by Unit 731 and its related programs range up to half a million people, and none of the inmates survived.”
I see as part of the campaign against China, who only 20 years back were our elite favourites (as they could make goods there cheaply and sell them here for the same price) we’re encouraging Japan to expand her military again.
“the gay Jewish lawyer supervisor from Yale has to act enthusiastic.”
Notice how they chose a white man to represent them.
I keep saying.
It is very dangerous to making these kinds of serious-sounding “your mouths are writing checks that…” promises to the kind of people that are well known to riot over the paradox of rising expectations.
Today’s neo-Confederates, in whose church old Father Abraham is the Antichrist, quite forget that when a young man he was nearly murdered by a gang of black thugs while bringing produce from the family farm to market downriver. This ugly experience had a lasting impact on his thought. Radical abolitionists fairly frothed with rage when he won the presidential nomination over their favorite, New York Governor Seward; but leaders of the infant Republican Party knew that running an antislavery man would have been political suicide in 1860.
It’s a sad commentary on human nature that those US blacks who were emancipated and sent to Liberia quickly formed an elitist caste over the indigenous population, whom they regarded as ignorant savages.
If they pass even a fraction of this, won’t every black in the country move to San Fran???
Do it, do it, do it!!!!!
I’d even be willing to kick in a few bucks for it…
He’s a clever and industrious fellow, but I don’t think this would be good on one’s back after long periods of time. I guess it’s hard to find a good full-sized Chevy van anymore. Plus, I think you’d have more success with the ladies with that Chevy van… assuming this guy desires that, which I’m not all so certain of from the way he talks.
I gave a girl a ride in my wagon …
(I say this as someone who has slept in a Camaro… more than once…)
And factor in the phenomenon of rising expectations: rioters are the ones who are getting more than the previous cohort, but think they should have more.
Plus, you’d be helping to save their portion of The Planet!
“Will the last sane person to leave San Francisco please take the incandescent light bulbs with you… you Warming Denier, you!”
True enough. But there is some vague return on investment from those noted endeavors, or a suggestion of avoiding a worse future; no hint of anything better after this bleed-out.
I don’t see how Mr. Sailer can say so confidently that the 15 board members weren’t bright. It seems to me that starting the bidding at $5 million a head was brilliant.
From what I’m hearing, life in the US is so unbearable for DOS that they should be leaving anyway, sans payments.
Your comment highlights that this is not any kind of a contract negotiation. The other side has no intention of holding to an agreement.
I think it could also incite more black violence against blacks. After all, they’ll suddenly have a lot of cash. Isn’t that (supposedly) why they target Asian women?
Sadly, you’re probably right. Why hold the meeting if they weren’t at least partially considering following through?
Whites have made concession after concession to blacks, losing our quality of life (and often our actual lives) each step of the way: blacks can ruin your neighborhood with crime and live off your taxes for decades… There’s nothing you can do about it within the confines of the law.
If some “gay Jewish lawyer supervisor from Yale” decides it will benefit him personally to promote giving blacks millions more of our rightfully earned wealth, there’s a good chance they’ll get it!
It must be said the Worldstar videos would be absolutely epic. I almost think they should do it.
Let them have the city of San Francisco and rename it Soul City.
The only lasting legacy of slavery is white guilt. Mistreatment of one’s ancestors in the past does not entitle black people to get free stuff now and forever. Stupid liberals, I’d like to deport the whole stinking lot of them.
The argument that Cali was never a slave state implies that some how it’s ok to give reparations to blacks in Alabama. Nope. Never. Unless you are an accelerationists and want this whole creaky system to come crashing down sooner rather than later. The other argument I read against reparations is that they would just blow the money on cars, booze and menthols ,etc. Not a good argument. Once you go there you have already lost the debate.
Yes, and it incentivizes a very bad paradigm for blacks: that the white race is irredeemably corrupted, and that blacks are owed simply by virtue of existing. In sum, large cultural and financial incentives are being dangled in front of blacks to hate white people for a corruption of blood, a concept that was put to sleep centuries ago. To borrow some archaic examples, non-whites are being taught to view whites as the Romans viewed the Carthaginians, or as the Israelis viewed the Amalekites.
This all taps into very deep instincts among humans, dating back to our pack-animal origins, and “citizenism” will not be able to paper this over.
Cue Matt Foley.
Sleeping in the front seat of a Jeep ain’t great either, but it does keep you ready for action. After a night at home in bed, it takes a few hits of the snooze button and a couple cups of coffee to get me moving in the same circles as the day before — in the jeep, I’d wake up, turn the key, and be at least 30 miles closer to a better future in the same amount of time.
I recall looking up the employment history of the ‘committee’ which produced this and discovering that almost all of them were employed in patronage positions or in the nonprofit blob in a what-do-you-do-all-day job. I think one was a nurse or some such. The notion of producing services for someone for which they would voluntarily pay you is alien to their way of thinking.
There’s only one thing that would stop our children from busting into these liquor stores… There’s only one thing that would stop our kids from busting into these jewelry stores stealing watches and jewelry… And that’s, Reparations!
California already provides a generous annual subsidy package of $75,000 per year (including free housing, meals and medical care), of which blacks avail themselves in hugely disproportionate numbers.
BTW, per Wikipedia Corcoran sits on land that was once the home of the Yokut Indians. The state could recoup some of the reparations payments by allowing the Yokuts to operate a casino at the prison, with prisoners as dealers, bouncers, hookers (it is near Frisco, after all), etc. Win-win.
The board of supervisors has 11 members. Number whose civilian occupation was in the business sectors = 0. Number who worked in protective services = 0. Number who worked in a profession which requires some familiarity with quantitative methods = 2 (both are lapsed town planners).
The most insane thing about it all is that we could put this all to bed once and for all if we had public figures willing to openly say that reparations are not justice and should be opposed – a majority of the public agrees with this, but has been totally cowed by the racial grift machine. Just simply ask the 87% of the non-black public – do you want to pay taxes now and forever to subsidize blacks at the expense of yourself and your family?
Here’s a question. What is it in the social dynamics of local areas in our time that the elected officials come to be drawn almost entirely drawn from the ranks of people whose work life has been crucially dependent on spending other people’s money or where it is crucially dependent on rent-seeking?
I answered that survey question in the negative in 1964, but they didn’t listen to me, and it’s been going on ever since then. What’s new… OK, besides more Ginormous numbers?
Should these crazy ideas come to fruition, there would be so many black people flocking there to get paid, from around the US (and Africa, via Mexico) that the combined weight of millions of them would pressure the San Andreas Fault to crack and break off the entire SF Bay area.
This monstrous quake would then create a tsunami and flood much of the surrounding remaining landscape. Sacramento would be inundated.
Now some would claim this was an act of God or some kind of righteous cleansing.
It would be a real shame to destroy such a beautiful area over mere greed.
So before they start handing out the millions, better get the geologists involved. A lot of those black folks are seriously overweight…
I’m pretty darn enthusiastic about it too.
Please, can the Parasite Party to put it in as a platform plank.
What we need is more foreigners living in Camaros. Guy sounds like he’s from Montenegro or Turkey or something.
The universal franchise.
Agreed, but given the things they appear to be seriously considering what might they adopt?!
And that’s just fine.
Our job is to make damn sure it not ours.
The more absurd this shit gets the better.
Luckily, American blacks are still a pretty small minority and largely ineffectual. This sort of hatred is terrifying when backed by a great civilization (Rome, Germany, etc.). But blacks are more analogous to a primitive tribe than a civilization. White people know how to deal with murderous tribals.
The Giant Reparations Book: The Unabridged Version
That’s completely impossible and ridiculous. The slave trade in the US ended in 1808. The fortunes of the slave traders of 1808 have been dissipated and divided dozens of times since then so it is impossible to trace them and for the most part there is nothing left of such fortunes to begin with.
Nevertheless, since my ancestors in the shtetl had absolutely nothing to do with the American slave trade, I endorse your proposal. I am glad to contribute nothing to reparations for American slavery because for sure I had nothing to do with it.
The right answer is that reparations should only be paid directly to those affected (and since all the slaves are dead, to no one). My parents received (small) pensions from Germany as a result of their mistreatment by the German government. When they passed away, the pension checks stopped and this is as it should be.
If I received reparations, not only would this be unjust to the people of Germany today, who had nothing to do with Nazi crimes (most were not even born yet) but it would send a false message that I am not responsible for my own success or failure. Since the end of slavery, many generations of immigrants (even black immigrants) have come to America with all sorts of handicaps beyond even those of American blacks – they came penniless and in many cases unable to speak the language or even to read and write and yet those immigrants managed to succeed and their descendants even more so. Only blacks have remained mired in the muck and they are the ones that have to pull themselves out of it. Sending them a big check would only send the wrong message.
And their children and grandchildren born after the war got nothing.
I’m in favor of this for blacks. Any surviving slaves should get $20,000. Hell, ONE MILLION DOLLARS. Every single surviving slave deserves this for their enslavement.
But their descendants get nothing because no one enslaved them.
“California … was never … a [expletive deleted] … SLAVE STATE [exclamation points deleted]”
Doesn’t matter, doesn’t compute. The Democratic governor of the Golden State who is the epitome of white privilege and groomed by the California-based bloodline tributary family to serve globohomo interests on the local, state, and federal level, must grovel before the black goddesses who generate the most noisome energy within the Democratic Party. He’s just waiting for the chance to sign the reparations bill: A large chunk of cash for ingrates who have never been slaves taken from spineless weenies who have never owned slaves. Gavin Newsome, the aforementioned person of white privilege, is running for president.
True, we already provide an absurd amount of subsidy. Perhaps the question is whether there is any amount that people think would actually move the needle or has it largely been wasted?
Heard on the radio yestermorning the Oregon legislature and Governor Tina Tampon will fund the construction of 63,000 heavily-subsidized homes, not rentals, strictly for BLACKS – no whites need apply – over the next decade. No, Mr Steve, they aren’t coming for your home equity (that doesn’t make any sense). With a combo of taxes and Ctrl-P they will build ghetto Wakanda here on the west coast.
No, these people are not that smart. They are just posturing and they have no understanding of money and what is obtainable or how negotiations work in real life. By asking for the moon and stars, you are likely to get nothing.
Consider an example from real life. Let’s say that you are selling your used Camaro which is worth somewhere between $20,000 and $25,000. You put an ad on Facebook Marketplace : 2020 Chevrolet Camaro LS 18,507 mi – $1,000,000. How many people are going to respond to your ad?
“Here’s a question.”
Why do you think it’s just to retain sole possession of the Buddy Ebsen/Barnaby Jones nude pix when really they belong to all of us?
Well, let’s be honest with ourselves for a moment-
This is a fascinating, and fun topic to discuss!
Why, you ask, nervously and curiously?
Let’s start with an analogy. Let’s say that your inebriated friend, Cleetus, tells you that he is going to jump out of the back of a moving pick-up truck, while going over a bridge, and land safely in the river below, while avoiding the uprights of the bridge, making certain to land in the deepest center of the river, and land in such a way that doesn’t leave him a paralyzed invalid for life, and for extra comedic effect, all while taking a hit from a six foot bong stuffed with the dankiest chronic that your local drug dealer has to offer.
Now, your initial reaction might be one of absolute horror, at the possibility of pending disaster, potential legal culpability, and the sheer madness of watching one of your friends, kill himself in the most spectacular way imaginable.
But, after the shock fades away, you realize that if he is going to attempt such a thing, it’s your moral and humanistic obligation to bear witness to the event, if for no other reason than to be able to recount it to the authorities, and his grieving mother, or, better still, being able to regale your friends with a story for the ages, assuming Cleetus manages to pull it off.
Perhaps, jumping over a shark filled tank in an arena on a motorcycle is better example, but I digress…
Ergo, the joy in watching this “only in California” soap opera drama unfold, is equally amusing, because for the most part, we all know that IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN!!
These fools can postulate whatever they want, virtue signal all of the best intentions ever put onto paper, and capture some brief headlines for their absurd proposals, blah blah blah. But in the end, sooner or later, somebody somewhere is going to look at whatever they dream up, laugh, and politely say “no fucking way we are doing any of that horseshit, we’d bankrupt the entire state!”
I don’t know when that shoe will drop, and I have no earthly idea whom will drop it, but somebody will eventually, and we will all get a wonderful, hearty chuckle, while watching this fabulous turd getting flush down the bowl of broken dreams, and reparations fantasies will cause so many tears, that the California perpetual drought will be ended for a millennium!
So, we can yuck it up, and laugh at their stupidity, as they spitball the insane, preposterous, fantastical “idea” of paying every Dindu and Sheniqua, millions of clams, because Kunta Kinte was forced to change his name to Toby… but it ain’t never going to come to fruition, and everybody with a brain, or checking account, knows as much, but it’s funny to read their “pie in the sky” ideas, and wait…. wait until the day when somebody, finally has to say… “No Fucking Way!!”
About 85% of the adult male population had the franchise in 1836.
You look at the composition of the local municipal council where I grew up five generations later (a core city, btw), you see a couple of accountants, a nurse, a pharmacist, a bank teller, a couple of small time lawyers (in private practice), &c all elected via universal suffrage. So, you want to tell me why such people apparently have no interest in San Francisco municipal government (or in that of Roanoke, Va, another burg where I’ve discovered this same phenomenon) any more and have left seats on the council to the clot collection that’s there now?
When Gloria Vanderbilt died, she had a boffo residence in Manhattan, her home furnishings, and about $1.5 million in cash and securities to bequeath. I think she inherited $4 million in 1945 dollars, or $45 million in 2019 dollars given the change in the GDP deflator.
The regrettable aspect of this is that for > 50 years, what the general public thought about race matters has had no influence on policy.
“Every black person should be given 2 million dollars and then immediately deported back to West Africa. No reparations without deportation.”
No reparations without deportation and renunciation of their American citizenship.
It sure is. After Gavin Newsome delivers the cash rolls to downtrodden California blacks who seem fat and prosperous but I guess my eyes are deceiving me, the urban sideways and byways will be popping with new venues for the long-suppressed black creative spirit. It will truly be a bargain for the liberal Jewish element and the hysterically woke WASP women in this city. Blacks with cash will be pouring into their carefully-curated majority white urban neighborhoods, parks, and precious restaurant scene. And whilst the newly wealthy black youth and goddesses carry on with their anti-social havoc and intimidation tactics that Gavin’s largess was supposed to quash, the rictus grins on the faces of the liberal Jews and WASP women will become tighter.
It’s California. I say put it up on a binding referendum.
After all, if Oak Park, Illinois was stupid enough to vote for a handgun ban then there’s ALWAYS a chance of it’s passage.
And being upheld in state courts.
Remember, IL Supreme Court is already pre-BRIBED by our Billionaire Gun Controller Gov. Jelly Belly.
It would be a hoot, as Dolly Parton would say, to see exactly how many imbeciles reside in San Fran!
I’ve said this numerous times, right on this very website: reparations conditioned upon MANDATORY repatriation would be the greatest deal ever negotiated anywhere in the history of our entire planet.
Nah, $50K is enough. That will get them a nice hut, land, and several cows. Set for life in Ghana.
“True, we already provide an absurd amount of subsidy [to blacks]. Perhaps the question is whether there is any amount that people think would actually move the needle or has it largely been wasted?”
Of course, the left’s useful idiots think there’s some amount of money would actually move the needle. But do any people capable of rational thought think so?
But all white people benefit from slavery to thi day
TRY to be intellectually honest for once
In 1836 women and blacks didn’t get to vote, non-whites could never be naturalized citizens, gold and silver were money, the non-slave population was a bunch of lily-white Anglos and some French and Germans, and government could have easily been overthrown by a sufficiently pissed-off citizenry. Property restrictions and poll taxes were still in force in some areas.
Flyover-country accountants, solo attorneys, nurses and bank tellers have been priced out of SF. Roanoke VA is half non-white, 30% of which are black. That’s a substantial Marchin Lootin Killing Jr. bloc to swing around against political opponents.
So that’s the other part of the equation: Diversity.
Imagine what would happen if San Francisco could actually require each of its non-black residents to pay millions of dollars to remain in the city. First, almost all of San Francisco’s non-black residents would leave the city, thus abandoning their very valuable properties. Black people would then be able to occupy these very valuable abandoned properties.
However, the very same valuable properties that had previously been in white and Asian neighborhoods, would now be in black neighborhoods. And, of course, because these properties would now be in what had become dangerous black neighborhoods, the value of these properties would collapse. Indeed, San Francisco would become just another Jackson, Mississippi, albeit with a better view.
Elvis’s daughter inherited a boffo fortune from Elvis and ran thru almost all of it. The best way to make a small fortune is to start with a big one. “From shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations” is the usual rule.
This is why the reparations planners have wisely included a guaranteed annual income of at least $97,000 for the next 250 years (I hope they make this inflation adjusted!) for each beneficiary and all his future descendants* – the one time payment of $5M is going to be GONE in a jiffy. There are countless stories of black lottery winners and professional athletes who burn thru even bigger fortunes.
*not clear how this is supposed to work. 250 years from now, the thousands of SF blacks who are qualified for this payment will have MILLIONS of descendants, some of whom will be only 1/1024th black by then. Is each one of them supposed to get $97k per annum for life? The money needed to fund this would not be in the billions, it would be in the trillions. This is one more thing that leads me to believe that these folks have ZERO understanding of money. Like a cargo cult level of understanding.
I think these numbers work on a “send them a message” level, like when the trial lawyer says “Make GM pay $5 million in punitive damages to Crippled Jimmy to send GM a message that building unsafe automobiles is wrong. ” This works on the individual level and maybe even on the class action level where you bankrupt a particular company like J&J or Johns Manville so they can right the wrongs suffered by a few hundred cancer victims. But when you are talking about making astronomical payments to tens of thousands of “victims” just in SF (and tens of millions of victims if your repeat the exercise on a national level) there just isn’t enough money on earth to make every black person in America a kang in perpetuity, even if they all deserve to be kangs for what was done to them (a dubious proposition to begin with).
We’d need them to sign a release that after they cash the check, we get to film what they spend the money on and put it on TV.
Has anyone else noticed the striking resemblance of Gavin Newsome and Christian Bale in American Psycho.
Part of it is rule by professional. Many municipal seats are token; things are run by a hired gun.
Part of it falls under regulatory capture, and Pournelle’s iron law of bureaucracy: over time the gatekeeper effect selects for the clown crowd that serves the full-timer’s interest.
I suspect Gloria lost some in her three divorce settlements, lost some more to lawyers in a business dispute she had about 35 years ago, conceivably some in her company’s losses, and the rest by overspending her income. As far as I can tell, she did not have large long-term-care expenditures. Even at the start, she was a figure in the society pages due to family history and family scandals, not purchasing power. She was richest-person-in-Akron rich, not leading-families-of-America rich.
Mostly true, although I would submit that the Clinton changes to welfare probably had a strong racial element to it.
But their descendants get nothing because no one enslaved them.
A leap of logic that can and will not be made….
I see somebody else much more clearly….
Not sure what you mean. Clinton signed the law reluctantly; Dick Morris persuaded him to follow polls, so there’s that. Gov. Thompson had a successful demonstration project in Wisconsin and people like Lawrence Mead had been banging the drums for it for decades. This had to affect the thinking of Gingrich and then the rest of the Republican caucus. John Lewis tried racial demagogy to stop it.
While I have always been partial to this formulation, commenter ‘Another Dad’ claims, with some justification, that the superior formulation is “No reparations without repatriation”. As avowed Traditionalists I think we must presume that Father knows best.
I suspect Gloria lost some in her three divorce settlements,
Who is Gloria? I thought Elvis’ daughter was Lisa Marie?
Gloria Vanderbilt. Nowadays she is perhaps best known as Anderson Cooper’s mother. She became famous at an early age as a result of a custody dispute between her parents. She also made considerable $ in the blue jeans business and many different careers in between. She did enough living for 3 people.
No. A bloody war was fought by White men that set the slaves free. There was no slave rebellion, White men in blue uniforms set them free. They’ve been free for 160 years. I think it’s time they took up a collection and paid a reward to the descendants of the men who freed them.
Have you completed your “Long March Through the Institutions” before listing your Camaro, so that brainwashed whites are falling over themselves to pay way over market for it?
Do you have official cover to burn down a few dozen cities if you don’t get the price you want?
Chevy Lives Matter! Yep, great analogy.
“The money needed to fund this [SF’s reparations “plan”] would not be in the billions, it would be in the trillions. This is one more thing that leads me to believe that these folks have ZERO understanding of money. Like a cargo cult level of understanding.”
Definitely charge cult level. I think they literally have no understanding of money in any numerate or arithmetic sense. To them, it’s magic tokens white hoard for themselves and only grudgingly hand out when forced to.
I saw how many if not most blacks handled their finances in my old neighborhood. Bills and financial obligations seemed to be viewed mainly as obstacles to their discretionary spending. The notion that they should pay their debts actually seemed foreign to them. When they did pay, it was not out of a sense of obligation but to avoid penalties they didn’t think they could talk their way out of. Their understanding was literally that of a very small child receiving his allowance.
Of course some white people think the same. But this thinking was widespread among the blacks I knew. It was almost as if the concept of money was too abstract to grasp.
All this talk of reparations is also a big moral hazard.
How many blacks are already spending money they don’t have in the expectation that reparations will pay for it all?
The party of rum, Rastafarianism, and reparations.
“It is in the family that we learn almost all we ever know of loving. In my sons’ youth, their promise, their possibilities, my stake in immortality is invested.”
–Wyatt Cooper, Miss Vanderbilt’s fourth and final husband, who was too humble to be worth divorcing (she would have owed him), and only lived to age 50
His stake in immortality is shaky. His elder son committed suicide– before his mother’s eyes– and his younger is a homo who had a child Elton-style, and who may or may not carry his genes.
Still, Pocahontas had a single great-grandchild, and ended up with tens of thousands of descendants, including two First Ladies, Mrs Wilson and Mrs Reagan. Bottlenecks aren’t always permanent.
Sometimes this is literal. There have been some horrific cases where blacks kidnap whites and torture them to give up their ATM codes and so on (and then murder them). Blacks being blacks will do this in order to get $500 or some trivial sum. If you are going to kidnap, torture and murder someone, at least make it worth your while. But again, no concept of money.
“In 1836 women and blacks didn’t get to vote”
Reflecting the time period. Do you propose to go back to that standard? Would your wife, a public school teacher, agree with your paternalistic attitude?
“non-whites could never be naturalized citizens”
Again, a product of the times. However, the Founders empowered future generations to make adjustments when the demographics changed. If it was yo to you, half our European-American population would have been prohibited from entering our shores.
“government could have easily been overthrown by a sufficiently pissed-off citizenry.”
See, it’s these ass hattery statements that make normies smile. It’s so outlandish.
“Property restrictions and poll taxes were still in force in some areas.”
Yes, a product of the time. But those things aren’t coming back, no matter how hard you stammer your feet, Dorothy.
Flyover-country accountants, solo attorneys, nurses and bank tellers have been priced out of SF. Roanoke VA is half non-white, 30% of which are black. That’s a substantial Marchin Lootin Killing Jr. bloc to swing around against political opponents.
“So that’s the other part of the equation: Diversity“
How the hell would Alabama or Mississippi pay reparations? What do they have?
It’s hard to spend money you don’t have if you have a 320 credit rating and whatever credit you have is all tapped out.
Not only that but SF is only 5.7% black (and still the number for each white family is ginormous). In Mississippi there are barely more whites than blacks so the burden on each white family would be many millions of $ (not to mention that the avg. household income in SF is 2.5x the income in MS).
BTW, we heard from the gay Jewish guy who presumably doesn’t have to worry about leaving something for his kids. How are the Asians going to feel about playing for black slavery with taxpayer funds? Latinos? How do you say “Oh, hell no!” in Cantonese?
Like the Narrator said, this is not happening. One of the reasons that they can throw numbers like this around is that it’s only a symbolic gesture. We are awarding you 40 gazzilion quatloos for your pain and suffering! You deserve every penny of this for the awful way America has treated you! If they had named a more realistic number there might have been a serious debate but these numbers have zero chance.
Nobody has used the most accurate word to describe these “reparation” demands :SHAKEDOWN. Exactly what do the blacks think has gone on for the last 60 years? The reparations have ALREADY been paid in the TRILLIONS of dollars. The average American black receives 100 times more in annual income from WELFARE than their African brethren earn from working, the average ANNUAL: income for many countries being less than $400.oo. That’s FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS. PER YEAR
It is simply unbelievable that noone refutes the endless refrain about “systematic white racism” with this simple rejoinder; If blacks’ penury was caused by bogotry it stands to reason that an Africa devoid of Caucasians would be a cornucopia of black wealth. But the opposite is true and Africa is a myriad of social, economic, amd political disasters since the end of colonialism in 1960.
Where is there ONE white politican to state the obvious and forever curtail the endlless whining for handouts by blacks.? However, there is a case to be made for a reparations for one class of people: the descendants of the 350,000 Union soldiers who died freeing the slaves. That would be the equivalent of an astounding 3,500,000 WHITE MEN being slain today.
Every black person should be honored to pay into a fund that compensates descendants of the men that set them free. Is there ONE Republican with the guts to stand up to these grifters and remind America of those valiant Union soldiers? Instead trillions and trillions of free food, money, housimg, and healthcare for the blacks is evidently not enough and the Shakedown continues now on steroids!. And it will never end until the beleaguered, self-hating whites finally get tired of being chumps. The beginning of welfare ultimately is the end for any civil society.
Centuries of slavery? Until 1750 there were hardly any here. And a century later a war was fought which resulted in the liberation of all of them. So, one hundred and fifteen years, 1750 to 1865.
Plus, by the Civil War, blacks numbered four million. Today, forty two million. They have thrived. Out reproduced whites over the same period in fact. Hell, whites haven’t even kept up including white immigration from Europe since the end of the Civil War! Fact.
An unintended, unforeseen consequence of handing out millions in “reparations” would be that no black will ever work again. So whites, Hispanics, Jews, Arabs, Indians, . . . , will be the ones keeping society going. Inevitably, they will learn to see blacks (correctly) as a parasitical, exploitative class.
About 40 million people in this country descended from slaves. Give each of them $5 million and that comes to…$200 trillion.
The total value of all publicly traded companies in the US is only about $40 trillion. The total value of all US assets, private and public, is about $150 trillion.
Somehow the people who came up with this reparations plan think 40 million African-Americans would be 133% as rich as the entire United States (pop. 330 million) if there had never been slavery or (presumably) Jim Crow. The reality of *all* black-majority countries (about 50 of them) suggests a rather different outcome.
Where would the USA be if it had never had slavery? Probably pretty similar to those two other continent-spanning descendants of the Anglo-Saxon diaspora – Australia and Canada. In other words, pretty damn nice, but with much better weather (compared to Canada) and less arid (compared to Australia). Oh, and with a homicide rate about one-fifth of what we have now.
About a third of what it was when OJ Simpson grew up there. What other cities have shed a majority of their black populations?
Gentrification has been going on in Baghdad-by-the-Bay since before the Summer of Love.
We need to take donations for a startup bus line that gives blacks a free ride to San Francisco. ‘Negroes For Nancy’ is my preliminary project title.
On the other hand, the argument that Brown University– to name just one institution– owes reparations implies that the much-guiltier Democratic Party would owe many more. No other entity should pay a dime until that group is sucked dry. Down to the cuff links, as they say at Lloyd’s.
Really, that party has a record competitive with the CPSU, CCP, and NSDAP for atrocities. It really belongs in the dustbin with them.
How about this?
No Reparations Without Sterilization!
So I guess the point that the “universal franchise” in antebellum America wasn’t so universal at all just flew right over your thick, mystery-meat head.
Eventually, some version of reparations is coming. Certainly not at these ridiculous sums, but something. It wouldn’t surprise me if the GOP comes out with a plan for direct payment to blacks in the next decade or so to “own the libs.”
When reparations do come, Asians and Hispanics won’t be paying. Only Whites will pay. Anyone who can’t see that in the very near future punitive laws of all sorts will be written so as to explicitly apply to only Whites, and that our increasingly non-White courts will have no trouble ruling them perfectly Constitutional, simply isn’t paying attention.
In Ice Cube’s circa 2005 movie Barbershop, every single patron mocks the idea of reparations, from the old-school barber to the corporate wanna be to the radical nationalist. The Overton window today is officially to the left of, and crazier, than Ice Cube.
Maybe we ought to be taking more about the gay Jewish lawyers (and South Asian CEO’s, to pick another demographic at random, and good old privileged effete WASPs) that help move that window than the black mobs and talking heads who, collectively, have a hard time tying their shoes.
Demanding $5 million per person is really stupid on the part of blacks. People will think that’s insane.
They should’ve asked for $6 million. No one would dare question that number.
How much are relatives of the victims of the 1973-74 Zebra/noi murders supposed to pay?
I support this plan. San Franciscans may be trimmed a few hundred thousand dollars each, but it will be worth it for their bragging rights to the chart-topping equity. Future non-Black residents unto the seventh generation will swell up with pride.
Further: 98 percent of Black (did you notice the uppercase B? Check it out!) Victims will immediately migrate from their urban strongholds throughout the country to Golden Gate territory.
Please stop using “whom” when you mean “who.” Your comments might be taken more seriously if you learn English grammar.
History rhyming: as with their spiritual and intellectual forebears, it’s hard to tell how much our Neo-Bolsheviks are motivated by ignorance, and how much by malice.
> How much are relatives of the victims of the 1973-74 Zebra/noi murders supposed to pay?
Oh, the Bolsheviks have an answer for that one: Dig Up Their Bones!
After all, San Francisco rhymes with Constantinople.
I don´t know HOW…madness could get any madder – you simply give MILLIONS to the intellectually lowest, the MOST dangerous, even savage, destructive, and morally degenerate race the world has ever been plagued with BECAUSE SOMEHOW they came to actually be ¨seen¨ to be JUST THE OPPOSITE. This is a madness the world has never been witness to at any time in any place. Sickening and frightening, both, in the extreme.
Don’t worry! With the economy crumbling, bank failures and a crash unlike any we’ve seen before, those reparations are going to be allocated to the banks.
I had a dream… but then I woke up.
Is it only a coincidence that the lawyer was gay? They’ll be next in line for “reparations” (really just welfare on stilts). It’ll be the 1964 Civil Rights Act all over again, but much worse, with the proverbial can of worms becoming the Grand Canyon.
Kylie, once again your basic good sense. This is far and away the most important–only important–comment on this issue.
“No reparations without repatriation”
Is the rhetorical nuclear bomb–and not just on this issue but on race and immigration generally.
American blacks are the great beneficiaries of slavery. Their ancestors suffered, and they are reaping the rewards by being born in white constructed and run nation. Millions are swarming the border. Hundreds of millions of people around the globe would like to get into America, including most blacks in Africa. Black Americans literally won the lottery … and whine about it.
But this does heavy lifting on immigration as well. Living in America has value to people.
The average American’s greatest asset is being born in American. Simply state that.
And make it explicit and put a price on it. Let’s make that “American residence” property right explicit. Living in America is valuable–very valuable. If an immigrant wants to come, they must buy the right to live in America off an American who wants to leave. (And no deathbed sale. The right is per age. If a 20 year old wants to come, they need to buy from a 20 year old–or younger–who wants to leave.)
Putting out there the basic truth that living in America is a valuable right that belongs to Americans … and our elites are giving it away to foreigners and degrading it for Americans, is a powerful idea.
“How the hell would Alabama or Mississippi pay reparations? What do they have?”
Give them the $5M they want.
But also charge them $5M for transporting their ancestors to a country where their kin could thrive.
In 2014 a map was released showing “Loss of Black Population, Bay Area 1970-2013”
This article has a screenshot and discussion:
I am not seeing the map at the link they gave.
Going to an archive page indicates the map is in Flash.
Does anyone know if that map is available in a non-Flash version? Or have any thoughts on running Flash in The Current Year?
This screenshot gives a decent look at the 1970 version and thumbnails of 1980-2010 versions.
The first link has a better version of the 1970 data, but does not note it is 1970 (obvious from comparison to this link though).
You could also just state that post 64 immigration is something that nobody asked for or wanted, and that it, along with all of the amnesties, was illegal. After that you just strip people of citizenship if they can’t prove ancestry from pre 1964 citizens. Then you sharply define citizenship, history, and culture to recreate pre 1964 America.
I know….it can’t be done. But it can be done. It’s extreme, but so was demographic change through immigration. If things are going to get ugly anyway, why not try to win….especially when right and history are on your side?
Don’t laugh: you can imagine the % of blacks across the nation who hear and see about this. They will demand the same.
It’s a winning issue to keep blacks voting for Dems even if the money isn’t there.
Never say, “It’s doomed to fail.”
Gavin Newsom supported this the whole way because he knew he was going to run for POTUS. Dems will keep talk or reparations alive until it actually becomes a reality.
Anyone listening to the demands of the audience recognize this for the GRIFT that it is, but notice not a single pol has stepped up and said, “NO!”
I did see a Californian who said to one of the grifters a few meetings ago, “Not until blacks pay back all the state and federal welfare benefits they’ve collected for generations.”
Why don’t we all just compromise, and California can be the first state to issue an “Adopt-a-Black” program? It could even have supporting sponsors like Lowe’s and Home Depot who could give deep discounts on their mini-sheds, so adopted blacks could have their on homes in the backyards of qualified properties. Californians would provide perpetual room and board for blacks who sign up for the program!
If you all are like me, I have chores to do around here every day. An adopted black could do all of that for you! Cooking, cleaning, washing the car, gardening, suckling our newborns could all be done for you thanks to Adopt-a-Black!
Instead of actual cash, we could pay them in special tokens that only allows them to purchase approved food or work clothes. That way, they wouldn’t be able to spend it haphazardly on crack, ho’s, crack-hos’s, dice games, or whatever else is currently popular with California blacks these days.
In central California, we still have quite a few farms. Qualified blacks could work on the farms to receive their reparations. They could have orderly shed villages, and maybe even put a few of the sheds together to make their own church. With that many blacks, it would probably be smart to establish curfews for them. They could probably use a general overseer, just to help keep them concentrated on their daily schedule. Maybe some trained police dogs to protect their sheds at night.
Anyway, the reader must see what I’m trying to do here:
Reparations for blacks that is structured in such a way that is so clean and efficient, blacks who sign up for it will stick with it all their productive lives!
This idea of a tradeable residence right is really a terrific idea. It does a lot of political work:
— make clear America has *owners*
— shows that that ownership is actually quite valuable
— ergo demonstrates that the immigrationists are diluting/destroying property of Americans–stealing from them and giving to others
— blows up the immigrationists argument about mobility; hey, if Apple or Google or Microsoft really wants some bright young thing … just pay for him to come
— gives all Americans–even those not doing well–something specific and tangible that is theirs; a feeling of ownership/possession/belonging; “no you are not starting at the bottom, you’re actually been gifted a legacy”; an impetus to do better … or cash out
— makes the connection with environmental stewardship; we want to keep ourselves a nice, not overpopulated place
— long term the trades will actually improve the human stock of America; scammers, scowflaws, losers will tend to sell out to people who are capable and invested in being in America
— which in turn will improve America’s politics, as the parasite party requires large numbers of incompetent the incompetent and aggreivied
For ALL anti-Whites.
The most amusing aspect surrounding the reparations debate is the idea that the American Negro does not owe considerable reparations to all US nonblacks for decades of social parasitism (section 8, affirmative action, welfare, EBT, government jobs, etc), rape, murder, carjacking, robbery, rioting, looting, fomenting racial hatred, as well as many other preferences in academia, advertising, TV, and film. In short, reparations is truly a con without examining the other side of the balance sheet.
Hindus and Chinese would be buying the residency rights of Blacks and Mexicans. For how much? $50K? A Cadillac and a fat blonde slut? The Mexicans would go home rich and slip back over the border. The Blacks would take the gibs and go…??? And we would have 50 million more White-despising Orientals and sub-continentals.
This is all so tedious. Honestly, not exaggerating here, assuming that the reparations issue is never going to go away on its own, I could (or really, any reasonable educated White person who has given the problem 90 minutes’ worth of thought could) come up with a detailed, workable, practically-affordable reparations plan over a long weekend which would actually achieve the (allegedly) sought-after goals without any cash payouts, which we all know would accomplish nothing and make everything worse.
But the people running and supporting this preposterous grift do not want any actual solutions, they just want gibs, and then the right to keep complaining because the gibs aren’t and can never possibly be enough.
How much would victims of affirmative action get?
“So I guess the point that the “universal franchise” in antebellum America wasn’t so universal at all just flew right over your thick, mystery-meat head.”
Universal suffrage at that point in time referred to ALL adult white men being able to vote. Context matters. The democratization of American politics to include women and non-whites was, at the time, a radical notion. But, the Founders enabled future generations to make adjustments as they saw fi to reflect changes in demographics and social attitudes. That’s who we are.
“Free at Last” is mine.
Except that’s not it. By asking for this money (specifically the “pay us for the next 250 years” part) they are conceding that they can’t cut it in a civilized society and will NEVER cut it in a civilized society. Now they are just stupid and are asking for smorgasbord of gibmedats – free money, free houses, free income, etc. but by asking for payment for 250 years they are conceding their inferiority (and their recognition that blacks will just blow thru any lump some payment, no matter how large).
Let’s say that the first part of their narrative is true – that their wealth has been impaired by all the discrimination and redlining that they have suffered in America for the last 400 years. If you have been damaged, you ask for compensation for your damages ($5 million a head is WAY more than the wealth of the average white family – it’s like 1% weath) and now you have been put even. If blacks were the true equal of whites, that would be it – now that the score has been evened, the game can resume on an equal footing. But no, because blacks are (implicitly) inferior, we have to keep spotting them a handicap for 250 years more. Forget that white bitch’s 25 year sunset. We want 250 years!
I think the Bagel Boyz are trying to rile up the savages for the coming conflict.
We need to make sure that these terrorists don’t get away and coexist with their allies.
We need White Men to sabotage the power grid.
Dese nuts can kill each other if done right.
100,000 is the magic number.
That’s all you need to crush the swamp.
The pentagram has gamed the scenarios already.
They know that they will lose every time.
In fact, the War has been one sided up to now.
Its long past time to fight back and win.
We outnumber the enemy 30 to 1.
3 to 1 is automatic victory in real life.
All you have to lose is DIEvershitty.
Isn’t that reason enough to do this?
What or when exactly is “thi day”?
The after Fursday?
I’d say between Wednay and Fr’ay, personally.
Whom do you speak of when you say “we”? The Founders intention was that the United States should model itself on the basis of a European state, with it’s citizens ancestry being derived thereof.
Racial diversity does not a better country make when around 18 million of it’s constituents have an average IQ below that of a standard deviation on the modern scale.
Amistad was a movie based on real-life events in which slaves commandeered a slave ship and fought for their freedom in the USA courts. They eventually gained their freedom. Now for the rest of the story…
One thing left out of the Amistad situation was that the real-life Cinque, after gaining his freedom, became one of the most prolific slave-traders of the 18th-century, making numerous voyages to Africa in order to procure slaves . . .
One of the qualifications for those who will be recipients of these reparations is that they should be truly black. That is they should not reflect or generate any electromagnetic radiation at all.
True blackness means that the body temperature of the object should be at absolute zero.
Brown doesn’t count, because there are so many shades. Only True Blacks should be paid.
Yes, with these conditions.
–Each reparee must be permanently and irreversibly spayed or neutered.
–Reparees will be “chipped” and bar-coded precluding their return to the USA.
–Provisions will be made for repatriation to reparee’s desired country on the African continent by cruise ship.
–A monthly stipend will be paid to each reparee in the currency of the respective African country equal to one-million Zimbabwe dollars (1,000,000.00).
–Any attempt to return to the USA or its possessions will be regarded as a crime, punishable by relocation to a remote, offshore USA penal colony for life with loss of all reparation benefits.
Reparations, one hollow point at a time.
this is so overwhelmingly depressing I knew it could only be a black person that wrote it.
what’s the point of all this confidence and self-aggrandisement if all you’re going to end up with is another detroit or st. louis? do you even know how it’s going to turn out? (probably not)
Oh, America has owners all right. You and I know exactly who they are, and they even have self-appointed monitors right here on iSteve; alert for the slightest hints of apostasy.
The things which cause us despair in the Current Year ex-USA? That’s their doing. Every bit of it. If any jot or tittle of it offended them, it’d be ended yesterday.
That would be awful if it was true, but you (or someone) just made up that blood libel. This is what actually happened according to the most reliable sources:
Now this is not much better – Africa was a war torn place and Cinque ended up getting killed (and maybe eaten). If he had stayed on that ship, he probably would have had many descendants in Cuba (some of whom would be living in America by now). But that’s not the same as your fake version.
…not made up. The NPS article is false and is supposed to absolve blacks from their own complicity in the slave trade.
Can you provide links to the “true story”?
Here is Samuel Eliot Morrison, one of the most distinguished of American historians, writing in his “Oxford History of the American People,” (New York: Oxford University Press, 1965), p. 520:
“The most famous case involving slavery, until eclipsed by Dred Scott’s, was that of the Amistad in 1839. She was a Spanish slave ship carrying 53 newly imported Negroes who were being moved from Havana to another Cuban port. Under the leadership of an upstanding Negro named Cinqué, they mutinied and killed captain and crew. Then, ignorant of navigation, they had to rely on a white man whom they had spared to sail the ship.
“He stealthily steered north, the Amistad was picked up off Long Island by a United States warship, taken into New Haven, and with her cargo placed in charge of the federal marshal. Then what a legal hassle! Spain demanded that the slaves be given up to be tried for piracy, and President Van Buren attempted to do so but did not quite dare.
“Lewis Tappan and Roger Sherman Baldwin, a Connecticut abolitionist, undertook to free them by legal process, and the case was appealed to the Supreme Court. John Quincy Adams, persuaded to act as their attorney, argued that the Negroes be freed, on the ground that the slave trade was illegal both by American and Spanish law, and that mankind had a natural right to freedom.
“The court with a majority of Southerners, was so impressed by the old statesman’s eloquence that it ordered Cinqué and the other Negroes set free, and they were returned to Africa. The ironic epilogue is that Cinqué, once home, set himself up as a slave trader.”
(End quotation from historian Samuel Eliot Morrison)
And then wall it off.
So they can hand whitey a slavery bill, we can counter this with a bill for all the destruction they have caused.
If our side owes more, (not likely) they can be paid reparations in Confederate dollars.
No sources portray Cinque as a slave trader until the 20th century. See this article:
Morrison’s assertion is built on earlier assertions which are built on nothing. When you dig down, there is no real evidence.
There is indeed evidence that some of the returned captives from the Amistad went into the slave trade. It was a lucrative business. The experience of the Amistad captives in the West and the English and Spanish that they learned would have put them in a good position to participate in the trade. But there is no reliable evidence that Cinque was one of them.
The larger and more important story (read the article) is that there were (even then) white do-gooder missionaries who risked their lives to go to Africa and civilize the Negroes and teach them morality and this ALWAYS ended in disappointment. A few of the blacks would “get it” but most of them wouldn’t or couldn’t no matter how hard the missionaries tried to teach them. But there’s no proof that Cinque was in the latter group.
Morison‘s book is available at
Download is large enough (about a GB) that it failed for me. His references are explored in the Jones article below so I did not persist. I am surprised Morison wrote something like that without better evidence. I wish it was possible to ask him about it.
This is the Dec 2000 Howard Jones article mentioned in your link. Full text available on Libgen.
Perhaps the most interesting part is this account of the evidence underlying the claim.
Fascinating… Did Johnson (or anyone else claiming that, including Jones) try looking at the Cushing Library?
This is an interesting wrinkle.
A memorial was erected in New Haven, CT in 1992.
I guess Matthew Fontaine Maury is not suitable for honoring, but Cinque is…
From your link.
“Whom do you speak of when you say “we”? The Founders intention was that the United States should model itself on the basis of a European state, with it’s citizens ancestry being derived thereof.”
No, it granted future generations the right to include other groups in the body politic. As more “outsiders” came into our country, there progeny became “insiders”. For example, the Chinese were invited by railroad executives to work on the Transcontinental Railroad. While they faced significant discrimination, they proved their worth. It paid off in spades, as Congress granted this group (and other Asians) with official citizenship rights. That’s who we are. Even your own ancestors benefitted from this process.
“Racial diversity does not a better country make when around 18 million of it’s constituents have an average IQ below that of a standard deviation on the modern scale.”
Using your logic, ethnic diversity has also significantly dropped out IQ, chiefly Eastern and Southern Europeans. In other words, your own ancestors. You have to go back.
That would appear to have had more to do with changes in the reigning ideology and historical circumstances than anything the Chinese had or hadn’t done. They didn’t become citizens when they finished the Transcontinental Railroad. They became eligible for citizenship in 1943, when, aside from changes in ideological fashion, China was our ally.