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I’ve mentioned that San Diego is often a West Coast holdout from Wokeness. For example, San Diego responded to the late May wave of Undocumented Shopping at local malls by calling for the police to use facial recognition software to arrest the looters. But, from NBCSanDiego.com:

San Diego Unified School District Changes Grading System to ‘Combat Racism’

The San Diego Unified School District is overhauling the way it grades students
By Alexis Rivas • Published October 15, 2020

Students will no longer be graded based on a yearly average, or on how late they turn in assignments. Those are just some of the major grading changes approved this week by California’s second-largest school district.

The San Diego Unified School District (SDUSD) is overhauling the way it grades students. Board members say the changes are part of a larger effort to combat racism.

“This is part of our honest reckoning as a school district,” says SDUSD Vice President Richard Barrera. “If we’re actually going to be an anti-racist school district, we have to confront practices like this that have gone on for years and years.”

According to data presented by the district, under the old grading system, teachers fail minority students more than White students – a lot more.

During the first semester of last year, 30% of all D or F grades were given to English learners. One in four, 25%, of failing marks went to students with disabilities.

By ethnicity, 23% went to Native Americans. Another 23% of failing grades went to Hispanics. And 20% of D or F grades went to Black students.

By comparison, just 7% of failing marks went to White students.

Asian students?

Of course there is zero mention of Asian students in this article. Why would you even ask?

In an effort to change that racial imbalance, the school board voted unanimously this week to make several big changes to its grading system.

Academic grades will now focus on mastery of the material, not a yearly average, which board members say penalizes students who get a slow start, or who struggle at points throughout the year.

So they are switching K-12 public school students from a system under which teachers monitor and prod students all year long to keep up with their work to one in which kids can goof off as long as they want and then, like a brilliant Oxford undergrad, stay up for the last 168 hours of the school year straight swotting up on everything they should have studied for in the past and ace the final exam. That worked out great for former UK prime minister David Cameron at Oxford and numerous other Eton and Harrow old boys before him, so why wouldn’t it work for public school Students of Color in San Diego? Obviously, this new system of grading will be better for Students of Color because it’s new and therefore Anti-Racist, unlike all the old Racist systems.

Note: the stay-up-all-week-swotting method didn’t work for Cameron’s friend in the Bullingdon Club (made famous in the opening scene of Waugh’s Decline and Fall), Boris Johnson, who only got an Upper Second. But I’m sure San Diego’s public school Students of Color won’t come up short like a large fraction of prime ministers do. It’s racist to imagine they’ll have any problems under the new system that lets them dawdle all year long in hopes of pulling out a good grade at the last moment.

Another big change, teachers can no longer consider non-material factors when grading. Things like turning work in on time and classroom behavior will now instead count towards a student’s citizenship grade, not their academic grade.

After all, when they finally go back to school, the badly-behaved students who worsen the learning environment for everybody else shouldn’t have their grades penalized. Instead, the grades of the other kids will have to be lowered because they didn’t master as much of the material as they would have if the disruptive kids had had more incentives to behave.

The board will also review potential student disparities stemming from its zero-tolerance disciplinary policy on cheating in the coming weeks.

Nearly 106,000 students attend a San Diego Unified School District school.

As I’ve mentioned before, one link between the pandemic and the shameful collapse of institutions into Ibram X. Kendi-ism in 2020 is that the disruptions of the pandemic caused the need to re-evaluate various old policies that had been keeping things running because of inertia. But now that American thinking is so warped by the ideological demands of the Great Awokening, Americans can’t competently design new policies anymore.

iSteve commenter Gimeiyo opines:

I sometimes get the sense that the impetus behind a lot of these new “woke” policies is actually despair at the impossibility of closing racial gaps, and in response, abandoning any effort to deal with “root causes” in favour of throwing out any metric, scale, or statistic that would reveal the gap. Black students get suspended more than Asians and Whites? No more suspensions. Black students get lower standardized test scores? Fine, no more standardized tests. Blacks commit violent crimes more often? Well, if the police would just stop arresting Black suspects those statistics wouldn’t exist, so abolish the police.

There is a brutal directness to this approach. There’s a lot of flim flam about “systemic racism” and “White privilege” thrown about, but isn’t this what it boils down to? The numbers are going to be bad so tear down everything that reveals those numbers. No more reform.

 
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  1. Trelane says:

    Equality of outcome for every student. That’s our goal. And we can achieve it.

  2. I was reading an article about the steep drop in rents in cities like SF and NYC. More evidence of the exodus from urban areas in the US. Educational policies like the ones described in the article will only accelerate this trend. High earning (and tax paying) people that care about their children’s education will move to suburbia, where these policies won’t be enacted.

    I expect a big political issue during the next few years will be Democratic controlled cities, facing huge fiscal deficits, seeking ways to grab money both from DC and from state capitals. The initial indicator of this trend will be “news” articles about how “relocating is racism.” (Except leftist PR people will think of a better way phrase this than my poor attempt.)

  3. In another time, the USA was a serious country with admirable goals to strive for.

    • Thanks: FLgeezer
    • Replies: @bomag
  4. This is a good move, I think. Eventually people will have to realize that public education is a lowest-common-denominator industry and that it was foolish to integrate schools but then hold blacks to white achievement standards.

    As far as Asian students are concerned, I think it’s worth noting that 3 weeks ago, Xinhua (the CCP news organ) noted that China was unveiling a massive program to educate over 80,000 American-born Chinese students in Zhejiang province, China’s educational innovation hub. This program will start next year, and be fully subsidized by the Chinese Ministry of Ed. My university is sending a number of researchers to observe the program as well. I put in an application, so wish me luck.

    I suspect within a few years most if not all Asians will be educated in this manner. I know currently there is diplomatic pressure in Vietnam being exerted from foreign lobbies (read: wealthy American-Vietnamese) to do the same thing in that country.

    The American higher education system will remain a babysitting service for the political climbers in China who are attempting to signal that they don’t have dynastic ambition (American university attendance drastically slows your acceptance into the party cadre and gets the internal departments off your back as the parent) so I suspect this won’t follow upwards more than it already has.

    As far as white students are concerned, there is always Catholic school. If you are too poor to send your children into private education, you simply should not be a parent. Full stop.

  5. Papinian says:

    The board will also review potential student disparities stemming from its zero-tolerance disciplinary policy on cheating in the coming weeks.

    The thought here is that racist teachers are using the zero-tolerance cheating policy to express their racism by letting white kids cheat but throwing the book at cheaters of other races, right? Assuming non-whites cheat more, what is to be done by the anti-racist? Allow non-whites to cheat, right? But this is a double standard which I assume the kids themselves, and their parents, would immediately rebel against. That’s too obviously unfair.

    So, assuming that the community can hold the line on cheating standards, maybe this will help stop the madness.

    Unless, of course, they just stop punishing cheaters entirely. But that’s horrific! I wish more people homeschooled, hearing this.

  6. Pestartz says:

    By ethnicity, 23% went to Native Americans. Another 23% of failing grades went to Hispanics. And 20% of D or F grades went to Black students. By comparison, just 7% of failing marks went to White students.

    23% + 23% + 20% + 7% = 73 % of failing grades to the above-listed groups, even assuming no overlap. Who got the other 27%?

  7. vhrm says:

    Steve gets at this in his post but i want to be more explicit:

    Focusing just on final grade or other end of term evaluation will likely make both the gap in grades and in actual mastery of material WORSE between groups, not better though it’ll possibly cause a decline in mastery for everyone by removing incentives to keep up with the work.

    The high IQ people are those most likely to be able to cram for a week and do well (or at least pass) the exams. If they are conscientious and do the work all along nothing will change for them. They’ll have the same grades and understanding that they do now. If they are lazy they can get the same or decent grades (at the expense of some understanding ) while doing less work and/or not showing up to class.

    Medium IQ / high effort people will see their understanding stay the same but their grades will decline some since they won’t be boosted by HW and attendance.

    Med IQ / low effort their grades and understanding will fall a good amount since they’ll slack on the HW and thus learn less, and they won’t be able to actually cram the understanding for the final.

    Low IQ / high effort understanding stays the same (since they’re still doing the work), grades plummet since they only ever passed because of the “fluff”

    Low IQ / Low effort they never did HW or learned much anyway so nothing changes.

    Getting rid of SATs and using GPAs was all ABOUT giving NAMs extra points for “attendance” type stuff for people who “don’t test well”.

    Now SDUSD wants to make every class into a high stakes test and they think that’ll make gaps better? Are they trolling or am i misunderstanding something?

    • Agree: res, El Dato
    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
  8. The irony here is that one does wind up grading by race.

    White kids want to go to college — so you make it possible for them to get A’s and B’s. Black kids of course aren’t going to do shit — so let’s suppose black kid shows up, doesn’t cause trouble, and just goes to sleep. No work at all — but ‘give him a C’ (that’s a direct quote). Actual work? A ‘B.’ Sometimes the answer’s even right? An ‘A.’

    So long as he doesn’t transfer to a non-black school — or attempt to go to college — this will work fine.

    Now Hispanics, they will work — but only if their parents are looking at ‘F”s on that progress report.

    So you grade like Genghis Khan sorting prisoners.

    This isn’t just my imagination. When the ‘C’ average rule came in for eligibility to participate in sports, etc, it hit black and white schools about the same — maybe 20% became ineligible. In Hispanic schools it was more like 50%.

    You pound ’em. Pound ’em. We had a standardized department final in Algebra. The first year I taught, my classes finished second. Thereafter, they always led the school. That’s because — among other things — I was cruel and unforgiving when it came to grading.

    …and I was sane. There was a Mrs Kishiyama who apparently had lost it at some point. She used to fail 80% of her students. She taught health.

    • Thanks: vhrm
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  9. The two most troubling words in the article?

    “citizenship grade”

    Imagine how that could be deployed…

    • Agree: Charon, Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    , @ScarletNumber
    , @TWS
  10. Aardvark says:

    It is funny to me that SNL ran a series of skits some years ago titled “Lowered Expectations”… either is was sheer comedy or a harbinger of what was to come.

  11. In 2018, SD County voters approved Measure YY, a $3.5B bond issue to benefit SDUSD (their third and largest such approval in the preceding, ten year period).

    [MORE]

    From ChalkBeat (a pro-charter news site):
    [Detroit Public School District] Board treasurer Sonya Mays asked “.. is there a way to do online learning better to capture these children?”

    Emphasis added.

    The schools view their disaffected students as being runaway slaves.

  12. Michelle says:
    @Supply and Demand

    The Indian couple who used to own the corner store in my neighborhood, sent their daughter to a medical school in Poland, set up for Indians and their children. The daughter, who convinced her parents she needed to go to a private, Catholic High school, to avoid bad public schools, had won a scholarship to an East coast college, but was really disappointed at all the remedial material being taught because the American students were totally unprepared. The Polish school fast tracked her. What’s funny is, she got ethnic pride in Poland, because the Indian students were wearing their Native dress.

  13. Sean says:

    San Diego was a hold-out on Broken Windows policing. Crime fell there much the same as in NYC nevertheless. It’s the Establishment fear of Trump’s implicitly white alliance that has caused all this. ‘I can’t breath was Eric Garner’s last words in 2014. Under Obama no one cared. Biden and then Harris will not be troubled either. Even if they were to be, all that will be necessary is to start a war. Lyndon B. Johnson is the only presidential candidate in living memory to take the white vote from the Republicans. In 2004 Bush did even better with whites than Trump. Chinese (Asians) are not mentioned because they do not raise their voice, and why should they?; they’ll be the technical class.

  14. nebulafox says:

    Zero-tolerance policies suck, though. Got to put that on the record.

  15. kmmm says:

    I noticed the bizarre phrasing of percentages in the article. You’d think an Ivy League journalism grad would catch that, but I guess not. What was actually said in the video was that 7% of whites got Ds or Fs, so presumably that means 20& of black students got Ds or Fs, 23% of Hispanics did, etc. It would be exceedingly bizarre if the massive Hispanic population of SDUSD accounted for as many D & F grades as the tiny Native American population.

    Also, I’ve taught HS for ten years and all of those participation points for turning in homework and paying attention in class are designed to help the weaker students. Look at any state with high-stakes testing (NY Regents exams, etc.) and you’re going to see a black/white gap. I’m guessing those gaps are probably bigger than the grade gaps for those students.

    The only way to eliminate racial gaps in grades is to give every student a passing grade. If school boards and administrators want that, they’ll get it eventually. I don’t know the details of their plans, but based on my knowledge of educational jargon their use of the phrase “mastery learning” will probably mean that everyone gets a dozen chances to pass their tests.

    • Agree: Charon
  16. @Pestartz

    “By ethnicity, 23 percent (of failing grades) went to Native Americans”

    IOW, these failing grades were assigned to a population group with thousands of years of history as pre-literate nomadic animistic stone-age hunters, who in modern times, no longer able to hunt, have settled into depressive rural alcoholism. Context, please.

    “Another 23 percent of failing grades went to Hispanics”

    IOW, this share went to an unwelcome uninvited population of illiterate diabetic ever-pregnant stoop laborers, only let in because of an under the table agreement to do scut-work and remain poor helots in a country where it’s easier to be poor, descended from thousands of years of illiterate stoop laborers and helots in thrall to a stone-age overclass of psychotic pantheistic priest-kings. Again, a little context.

    “And 20 percent of D or F grades went to black students.”

    IOW, this share went to a sullen, hostile, non-cooperative population descended from pre-literate animist small-farming villagers imported for stoop labor under cruel circumstances, and only really exposed to an advanced literate monotheistic technological civilization for roughly the past hundred years, all the while being told that the civilization they live in is evil and should be replaced with… what? An overclass of illiterate yam-farming rapists?

    Why would any sane person expect any of these population groups to perform at par in an advanced literate technological post-industrial civilization which they literally know nothing about, and are encouraged at all points to be hostile to?

    HANNIBAL LECTER: Simplicity, Clarice! Read Marcus Aurelius! Of each thing, ask of it: what is it IN ITSELF?!

    • Thanks: HammerJack, Rob
  17. @Pestartz

    23% + 23% + 20% + 7% = 73 % of failing grades to the above-listed groups, even assuming no overlap. Who got the other 27%?

    Baptists

    • LOL: Lace
  18. dvorak says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I was reading an article about the steep drop in rents in cities like SF and NYC.

    Rent drops are temporary. A 20% rent drop will attract newcomers to SF, Boston and NYC.

    • Agree: Lace, Redman
  19. Barnard says:
    @Pestartz

    I am going to go with Mixed race/other and Asian/Pacific Islanders with a heavy emphasis on the Pacific Islanders. 23% seems remarkably high for Native Americans, that has to be well over their percentage of the district population.

    • Replies: @TWS
  20. I know “students with disabilities” doesn’t really mean kids who are blind or in wheelchairs, but “English Learners” is a euphemism I hadn’t heard before. Shouldn’t all the students be learning English?

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  21. syonredux says:

    Richard Hanania’s level of crimestop is truly awe-inspiring:

    Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity

    Many are saying Muslims are violent, and look what’s happening in France. But I look at data, not anecdotes. Murder rates per 100,000:

    Poland: 0.73
    Germany: 0.95
    France: 1.2
    Finland: 1.6
    Hungary: 2.5
    U.S.: 4.96

    No American should be saying France has a problem with violence.

    Of course, one could look at data involving which racial group commits the bulk of the homicides in the USA….

    But our man Richard thinks that that’s crazy talk….

    Some are saying you have to look at different demographics. What does that have to do with anything? The US is much more violent than France and has problems close to home that it’s never fixed, and Americans talk about other countries like they have a violence problem.

  22. Ed says:

    San Diego is often cited as a “conservative” big city. If this nonsense is taking hold there, it’s coming to your city and schools soon.

  23. Some Guy says:
    @vhrm

    It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.

    They have to constantly come up with “new” ways to try and decrease the gaps, if only for appearances.

    They need activity; it’s their substitute for achievement!

    We don’t measure our success by results but by activity and the activity is considerable and productive.

  24. Gimeiyo says:

    I sometimes get the sense that the impetus behind a lot of these new “woke” policies is actually despair at the impossibility of closing racial gaps, and in response, abandoning any effort to deal with “root causes” in favour of throwing out any metric, scale, or statistic that would reveal the gap. Black students get suspended more than Asians and Whites? No more suspensions. Black students get lower standardized test scores? Fine, no more standardized tests. Blacks commit violent crimes more often? Well, if the police would just stop arresting Black suspects those statistics wouldn’t exist, so abolish the police.

    There is a brutal directness to this approach. There’s a lot of flim flam about “systemic racism” and “White privilege” thrown about, but isn’t this what it boils down to? The numbers are going to be bad so tear down everything that reveals those numbers. No more reform.

  25. Asian students?

    Of course there is zero mention of Asian students in this article. Why would you even ask?

    From the model minority to the invisible minority.

    Everyone knows that in storywriting – especially fiction – you leave out all elements that disrupt the flow of the narrative. We are living in a fictional world; we have been for sometime.

    • Agree: Charon, Joseph Doaks
  26. Mr. Anon says:

    As I’ve mentioned before, one link between the pandemic and the shameful collapse of institutions into Ibram X. Kendi-ism in 2020 is that the disruptions of the pandemic caused the need to re-evaluate various old policies that had been keeping things running because of inertia.

    It’s called the Great Reset. Klaus Schwab approves.

  27. @Supply and Demand

    If you are too poor to send your children into private education, you simply should not be a parent. Full stop.

    Perhaps home schooling might be a better option that the extirpation of one’s line?

  28. In Buffalo HSs they can’t give a grade below 60, with passing being 65. So if a student gets an 80 in the first quarter and skips the rest of their classes, they get a 60 in quarters 2, 3 amd 4. That is an average of 65 or a passing grade. I am not making this up. Buffalo HS student miss an average of 37 school days or about seven weeks of school. You can find the unbelievable numbers in Buffalo News article by Mart Pasciak. try something like “high rate of absenteeism Buffalo schools.Public education is a criminal enterprise. Buffalo’s PS budget $1.1 Billion this year.

  29. Dr. X says:

    Yet another brick is removed from the foundation of the USA. How much longer before it goes into full collapse?

    I will of course vote for Trump, but frankly I don’t think it’s possible to make America great again — only to stanch the bleeding for a bit longer. The rot in this country (and indeed in the entire Western world) is so pervasive in all the institutions of power that the only way Trump could possibly succeed would be for him to become the totalitarian dictator they are accusing him of being. That isn’t going to happen.

    • Agree: Charon, Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @vinteuil
  30. The article is “In Buffalo schools, absenteeism is rampant” by Mary Pasiak.

    • Thanks: vhrm
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @bomag
  31. @Pestartz

    Pes, remember this is public education. Those numbers are close enough. But teachers are brilliant mathematicians when it comes to the numbers on their pay checks.

  32. My reaction to this is the same as to the San Francisco naming nonsense:

    “Wouldn’t it be great if we deplorables could have our own cities.”

    That’s the problem here. I have no problem with San Francisco putting whatever names they want or San Diego doing whatever grading system they want. Knock yourselves out!

    But … why can’t we deplorables do the same? We need a way where we can have a city or metro area, run it the way we’d like … and keep other people out. Because that’s the core problem under minoritarianism. We create nice stuff: prosperity, law-abiding neighborhoods, schools with decently behaving students … but we don’t get to keep it. At the working class end, NAMs show up and start degrading it. At the upper middle class end, “good” whites show up because of the “safe neighborhood” and “good schools” … and then do their tedious “good” white wrecking.

    Separation!

    • Agree: Rob, TWS
    • Thanks: BenKenobi
  33. @AnotherDad

    The wonderful thing here: They are making the case for vouchers. (I.e. separationism at the school level.)

    I’d imagine this is the great year in terms of increasing both support for vouchers and simply opening up peoples’ minds about alternatives.

    The Xi virus reaction has gotten a lot more people thinking about how education could/should be structured. What approaches could work for their kids … and maybe the reality that different kids benefit from different approaches. And it has many parents unhappy with what’s been on offer from their local district.

    Now the national hissy causing “educators”–already not the sharpest tacks in the drawer–to spew even more nonsense, will simply alienate more parents.

    It’s really becoming ever more clear–now almost daily; and no doubt to more and more people–that we are no longer any resembling a nation. Extremely unfortunate that that is true. But more people waking up to it … all to the good.

  34. @Servant of Gla'aki

    Be more successful. Most people can not competently educate their children, as pedagogy is a learned skill. Not in the fake and gay form that education diploma mills make, but in the way that organizations with 2000+ years of historical control over education inculcate.

    Alternatively you can send them to Asian International School, but that isn’t as easy as it once was.

  35. Neoconned says:

    Wait til they get to the real world & discover how cutthroat and shallow employers & middle managers are….many of whom will throw you under the bus for a $500 Christmas bonus….

    Anyway OT:

    I never really thought about this….but what if the CCP is using TikTok as a vehicle to control or shape American youth social trends…..TikTok is a big pusher of the Kardashian BM/WF coal burner i don’t have to pay the toll fallacy….no you can’t have your cake & eat it too….

    Is TikTok a vehicle for CCP cultural warfare against Americans?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  36. @Gimeiyo

    Exactly. Equality of opportunity has not led to equality of outcome (obviously; because people are not equal). So instead of jettisoning the egalitarian delusion, the school systems go straight to equality of outcome(on paper).

    We’re going through a huge cultural paradigm shift, and people will need to rethink what is involved in being a parent. If you are normal, many or most public schools and woke private schools are not your friends. Better plan to homeschool, go to a sane private school, or move to the rare sane public school district.

  37. Note: the stay-up-all-week-swotting method didn’t work for Cameron’s friend in the Bullingdon Club (made famous in the opening scene of Waugh’s Decline and Fall), Boris Johnson, who only got an Upper Second.

    https://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/the-bullingdon-club/

  38. Of course there is zero mention of Asian students in this article. Why would you even ask?

    That was actually the first thing I noticed, but forgot to mention it when I posted the link. There were just too many other points to address.

    How do you decide which teat on the udder to pull first? Which gives the most milk?

  39. Lot says:
    @Pestartz

    The article is wrong. There’s no way that

    “ By ethnicity, 23% went to Native Americans. Another 23% of failing grades went to Hispanics. ”

    given there are about 20x more hispanics that injuns, and they do about as well in school.

    • Replies: @Alan Mercer
    , @Alden
  40. This is a great idea, taken to its conclusion. They can just print up the report cards ahead of time, with straight A’s for everyone. It can be done with a Xerox machine and a couple of flunkies stuffing envelopes for a few days. Then they can give back the remaining 99% of their budget to the taxpayers.

  41. MBlanc46 says:
    @AnotherDad

    It always comes back to separation. There’s no other way out.

  42. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: I am beginning to see why Gavin Newsom is being called Newsolini by Californians. He’s just issued a rule that says all gatherings (including Christmas gatherings of your relatives) must be held outside because of Covid. Heh.

    https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/CDPH-Guidance-for-the-Prevention-of-COVID-19-Transmission-for-Gatherings-10-09.aspx

  43. WTF are these people thinking? It looks to me like leftists are determined to live in the imaginary world of the leftist narrative and to ignore the many, many ways that reality conflicts with their imaginary world. It must be some sort of religious thing.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  44. MASTERY of the material? I’m so exhausted.

  45. jon says:

    Academic grades will now focus on mastery of the material, not a yearly average, which board members say penalizes students who get a slow start, or who struggle at points throughout the year.

    Now THIS is what white, male privilege actually looks like. Seriously, is there any group of students that will benefit more from a policy like this?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  46. @PiltdownMan

    So… the UK is a country which allows itself to be governed by a class of young men who permit themselves to be photographed dressed like that, and posing like that.

    No wonder it’ll be a full-on Third World latrine in roughly one more generation.

  47. Public education cannot be reformed.

    This whole idea about final grades mostly (100%?) based upon a final exam score is just another, public education gimmick.

    When the best students have >> perfect GPAs, A & B students who go on to college require remedial classes, and the obvious dumbbells merit C’s, why would anyone believe that the public school grading system means anything?

    I am not Buffalo Joe, by the way.

    Incidentally, the schools have no business stigmatizing (punishing!) kids by assigning them poor (or any other sorts of can’t-do) letter grades. Furthermore, since most kids don’t want to be there in the first place, the schools are also guilty of victimizing the kids.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Buffalo Joe
  48. Anon[101] • Disclaimer says:

    During the first semester of last year, 30% of all D or F grades were given to English learners. One in four, 25%, of failing marks went to students with disabilities.

    By ethnicity, 23% went to Native Americans. Another 23% of failing grades went to Hispanics. And 20% of D or F grades went to Black students.

    By comparison, just 7% of failing marks went to White students

    This is a common statistical deception that iSteve readers are familiar with from crime and police shooting statistics: The raw percentage data is not adjusted for by population.

    I came across this the other day in the CDC’s abstract for their most recent Abortion Surveillance System report: Most abortions are by white women, with blacks in the second position. But digging into the data you find that 1 in 10 white pregnancies are aborted compared to 4 in 10 for blacks. Prior abortions are reported, so you could further determine the numbers by women rather than by pregnancy, which I assume would tilt things more towards blacks as the main consumers of abortions in America, something not widely known; in fact, most people assume that blacks can’t access or afford abortions, (which if true would make the white-black abortion demand disparity even wider). Why do so many black women get pregnant?

    Going back to the San Diego flunkee data. The 4 percent of the population who are black represent 20 percent of flunkees, while the 47 percent who are non-H whites represent 7 percent of flunkees. That means that blacks flunk out at a rate 60 times (not 60 percent) greater than whites. (Rough back-of-the-envelope numbers, and data is not school-cohort data.)

    I suspect that the main disparity in San Diego is that blacks flunk out a whole lot. Period. Yeah, feather-Indians do pretty bad, but their numbers are low. “English learners” do bad partially due to lack of skill in … uh, English, which is not their native language. So outside of blacks, the other disparities are probably not so huge, really. And don’t mention Asians. So the story is that Blacks flunk out a lot in San Diego. And get a lot of abortions.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  49. vhrm says:
    @Gimeiyo

    I sometimes get the sense that the impetus behind a lot of these new “woke” policies is actually despair at the impossibility of closing racial gaps, and in response, abandoning any effort to deal with “root causes” in favour of throwing out any metric, scale, or statistic that would reveal the gap.

    Something like that. In reality it’s true that the root cause has no solution (that is even remotely palatable).

    Unfortunately while you can obscure some metrics (SAT, gpa …) you can’t as easily get rid of others: income, murder rates, single parent homes, actual performance in high cognitive load jobs.

    Some of it you can fake with quotas and lower standards for some, like we are now, but that eventually takes an impact on society especially if it moves from having 10% AA types to 50%.

    The solution would be to roll things back about 45 years and not worry about the gaps in group achievement and treat people as individuals.

    Actually, when was the high point of optimism about US race relations?

    Magnum and T.C seemed to get along fine 🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  50. Lot says:

    San Diego’s schools are quite good, and this type of stuff is not going to change anything.

    The district is full of established and high quality charter schools, and new ones are popping up, so this disciplines the regular schools.

    It is also easy to switch schools outside your neighborhood if you’re willing to drive your kid there. So a far left activist principal will face loss of students from both charters and the regular schools that are close by. And this will lead him to be fired or demoted.

    The four big groups are whites, hispanics, NE Asians, and SE Asians. We have very few blacks or south asians. These groups are self segregated, and where they mix they tend to be compatable. For example, Carmel Valley is split between whites and NE Asians, but the whites who moved there knew in advance their kids would be going to school with smart and hard working NE Asian grinders, are are OK with that. (You don’t buy a $1.3 million house without researching the school district).

    If they wanted a more traditional high end white majority school experience, they would have moved to Point Loma or Poway, where there’s less advanced math classes but good football, crew, basketball, and baseball teams.

    Point Loma HS until recently had as its baseball coach David “Boomer” Wells, whose 21 year MLB pitching career included 3 all star teams and 239 wins. In Carmel Valley, your white kids will have a chance to join an 80% NE Asian quiz bowl team that qualifies for the national championship in DC.

    • Thanks: ic1000
  51. @Supply and Demand

    Ok, that’s easy. I’ll just tell all of the poor parents I see to stop being poor or stop being parents. Or to put a yoke on their necks to pay private school tuition and their property tax load to find the public system. It’s all on them, the elected pols have no responsibility to fix the mess. Wtf.

    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
  52. Anon[315] • Disclaimer says:

    One of the common reasons given for colleges’ discarding standardized tests like the SAT has been that the test is not a good predictor of college success or that they have low prediction validity.

    This is wrong. Standardized tests are the best predictor in most studies. And although they are not perfect predictors, no other factor, including high school grades, is better.

    But high school grades come close.

    Now that the SAT is out, only high school grades are left. They have already been substantially compromised, but this stuff going on in San Diego will compromise them more. We’re asymptotically approaching a system where we just randomly admit applicants to college, since no effective metric will remain.

    Honestly, just bring back quotas. Admit whites and Asians using the SAT, and let blacks decide how they want to be judged within their slice (if they are like HBCUs, they’ll probably settle on the SAT). And maybe separate Christian-ancestry whites from Jews for the quotas? Brazil, which is our future, uses quotas, highly granular quotas. It’s the only way to go in a super-identitarian culture.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    , @ben tillman
  53. Anon7 says:

    The new policies that specify zero classroom, all distanced learning, will cover up the most salient difference between students.

    When a black English teacher at my kids’ high school was asked the difference between accelerated English and “regular” English class, she said it was about class discipline. The student in advanced classes sat quietly and listened attentively. The regular classes were chaotic: teachers spent most class time trying to maintain order.

    Now classes are all Zoomed and all the same. Problem solved!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  54. @NJ Transit Commuter

    These policies absolutely WILL be enacted in the suburbs — by direct federal imposition of such policies uniformly across the country, if need be. We shouldn’t deceive ourselves.

    I look at the successful, “well regarded”, well funded high school district in New Jersey that includes my mother’s town and the town where I grew up — a fairly friendly, very safe, almost entirely white and Asian district with household incomes above the state and national averages, violent and property crime rates below those averages, and extremely high rates of on time high school graduation and then achievement of college degrees.

    The high schools are now extolling mental illness and perversion, quote transgenderism, to the students, notwithstanding that this is supposedly a family oriented, heavily Catholic area that has never been nearly as wacko left as nearby NYC.

    Evil and government or corporate pushed propaganda will not stay within city borders, nor will abusive and authoritarian policies. They already haven’t.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    , @Flip
  55. @Supply and Demand

    I will pray that you return to what is apparently your true home country … and never return. Good luck and don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

    For what it’s worth, our children are nonetheless learning the disgusting, illogical, needlessly complicated language known as Mandarin, because we know it is likely that the soulless ruthless ant-people who speak it will be running much of the world and perhaps some of our former country.

    Anyone who attends such a program should never be readmitted to the USA and should lose his citizenship.

  56. anon[773] • Disclaimer says:

    Excellent! Let our schools burn. They do nothing but indoctrinate anyway. This will only accelerate the homeschooling trend, exactly what America needs.

  57. Clyde says:
    @Trelane

    Equality of outcome for every student. That’s our goal. And we can achieve it.

    Known as Equity. The buzzword du jour. You hear the word equity a lot from BLM types and their white fellow travelers. (aka race traitors) (this is true)

    • Replies: @CCZ
  58. jon says:
    @Pestartz

    Who got the other 27%?

    According to Education Data Partnership (which is most likely where they got the data), there are 8 categories (with % at SDUSD in parentheses):
    African American (8%)
    American Indian (<1%)
    Asian (9%), Hispanic (46%)
    Filipino (5%)
    Pacific Islander (<1%)
    White (23%)
    2 or more (8%)

    http://www.ed-data.org/article/Ethnic-Diversity-Index
    https://www.greatschools.org/california/san-diego/san-diego-unified-school-district/#students

    A couple of points:
    1. I don't think I've ever seen Filipino separated out like that, is that common?
    2. Hispanics are 46% of the students, but only 23% of the failing grades. That seems pretty good, actually.
    3. Native Americans, on the other hand, aren't even 1% of the student body, but are 23% of the failing grades. What is going on there?
    4. The unmentioned groups, (White, Asian, Mixed, Filipino, PI), make up around 45% of the student body and get 27% of the failing grades. It's probably not many of the Whites, and definitely not many of the Asians, that are getting all those F's. So that means the Filipinos (5%) and PI's (<1%) probably have similar to worse failing grade rates than blacks, yet they aren't even mentioned.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Herp McDerp
    , @Alden
  59. @Buffalo Joe

    Discussed here:

    https://news.wbfo.org/post/press-pass-high-absentee-rates-buffalo-schools

    Ah, I remember a girl who lived off Hertel Avenue…. I was young once, and she made me wanna say “GO SABRES!”

    Love Western New York and would like to see it secede from the NYC area. Of course, they’ll need to forcefully move or eliminate the Africans who are a cancer upon dear old Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse.

  60. Anon[299] • Disclaimer says:

    San Diego is often a West Coast holdout from Wokeness

    If I recall correctly, a state university in San Diego literally invented the concept of the diversity statement for hiring and promotion in academia. It percolated there for a few years, and then it exploded exponentially throughout California public colleges and universities and beyond to universities nationwide.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  61. @NJ Transit Commuter

    That’s what Nancy Pelosi’s trillion dollar slush fund was all about: to bail out their corrupt cities and states with their pension plan [and other] debts. That’s the principal reason she held up the corona relief bill.

    [Obviously another reason was to maximize the misery among the unemployed, ensuring that they’ll stay in line come November 3rd.]

    A trillion dollars for democrat jurisdictions goes a long way toward covering their past mistakes and enabling their worst habits in the future.

    It’s just nationalizing democrat debt from the worst-run states and cities, and it’s going to happen anyway after the election.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  62. Escher says:
    @vhrm

    Make-work jobs to keep all the administrators employed in rolling out and then reversing these insane policies.

  63. @AnotherDad

    That’s the problem here. I have no problem with San Francisco putting whatever names they want or San Diego doing whatever grading system they want. Knock yourselves out!

    No. Retake all American territory: If it advances to the stage of “separation”, playing eternal ‘defense’ is a losing hand. Macrophage action will occur, against one side or the other.

    But … why can’t we deplorables do the same?

    Defeatist, retreatist “just wanna grill” attitudes, that’s why. The Trump phenomenon has been an interesting, if tentative counter to that; let’s see what happens.

    We create nice stuff: prosperity, law-abiding neighborhoods, schools with decently behaving students … but we don’t get to keep it.

    And you won’t keep it, until you understand power and are willing to wield it. You already have enjoyed the benefits of expanding power wielded by generations of OtherDads before you. “Privilege” some haters call it. Our duty is to not muck it up.

    Commenter slumber_j has/had a similarly sleepy stance on the proactive practicality of power. Many such cases.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/ultimately-what-does-black-lives-matter-want/#comment-4019764 (#52)

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  64. @Supply and Demand

    As far as white students are concerned, there is always Catholic school. If you are too poor to send your children into private education, you simply should not be a parent. Full stop.

    Perhaps, but it does hurt having to pay double. First, in taxes for the public crime incubators, and second, for private school tuition.

    More of that white supremacist privilege, I suppose. But [and?] it does act as yet another bit of downward pressure upon whites considering raising a family. Which is to say, it definitely sounds deliberate.

  65. @vhrm

    Sounds like I would have flourished under this system in High School. I always aced my exams, but rarely got As in classes because I wouldn’t turn in my homework on time (or sometimes at all), and the worse thing that could cross my ears were the words “project” or “oral report”.

    • Replies: @Dave from Oz
  66. Rob says:

    AnotherDad is right. The combination of large populations that are incompatible with American civilization coupled with shoving them in everything when they are actively discouraged from changing their behavior so that they are just dead weight we have to drag around.instead of sand in the gears or gremlins tinkering with the plane’s wing.

    Their is really only one realistic way to fit blacks and hispanics (iPad capitalize that word three times) who have not been massively selected into schools. The NAMs need to just be dead weight. Realistically, kids with average black IQ can be quiet. An 85 IQ corresponds to a mental age of 11 when they are 13. Half of blacks are dimmer than that. The best they can do is be quiet while real students learn.

    Sullen silence and quiet resignation to hewing wood and drawing water seems to come naturally to indios, but blacks’ sullen silence can easily turn to wild behavior that provides a poor environmental influence on white kids who are supposed to be learning both academic and behavioral standards of society.

    But every group in society, whether it is an academic lab pushing our knowledge of biology to heights unimagined in say, 1900, a team of corporate consultants finding innovative ways to strip mine the human capital of American of society, or even just a sales team at the local car dealer is supposed to have a few minorities to contribute being non-white to the team, there has to be a way to lift the NAMs to being dead weight. That is the goal of modern education.

    Does any remember The Marching Morons and The Little Black Bag by CM Kornbluth? In the latter a few geniuses act as assistants to extremely dumb ‘scientists’ to keep them from doing to much damage. I feel affirmative action is getting us there. Everything needs some minority deadweights providing the valuable service of saying things x for minorities. Facebooks for blacks.

    If we could separate kids by ability, then they could be taught at the level they were capable of, and actually learn something. Expecting dim and lazy kids to master subjects by attempting to cram a semester of learning in a week will result in NAMs who are less capable than the affirmative action nomenklatura we have now.

    I have a feeling standardized tests can’t be eliminated. We need capable people to care for the minorities we put in whatever positions. If half of our doctors are drawn from people who score at the sixth percentile on the MCAT today, the merit-based half has to be on their toes to correct the mistakes of AA class.

    No educational standards coupled with affirmative action will just mean that people reduce their expectations for blacks at every level of ‘ability’. Hiring managers will know that a black with a high school diploma is about as capable as the average thirteen year old white kid, and the typical black with a college degree is about as smart as a white high school graduate, Reducing the standards for blacks and mestizos will just make people think the minorities are even less capable than today’s. I’m not sure what benefit whites, or blacks, for that matter, get from a black being there and being the dumbest team member, but it is a goal society will be torn apart trying to achieve,

    Jesus, less than half of kids under 13 are white. How can we be a functional first world nation when only half the workforce is first world? Is separation possible without crimes against humanity?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  67. tr says: • Website
    @Trelane

    Equality of outcome for every student. That’s our goal. And we can achieve it.

    Yes. Just insure that nobody learns anything. This is a dream that can be achieved!

  68. Polynikes says:
    @RadicalCenter

    The problem is government schools. Teachers unions in Arkansas are just as dumb as the ones in California, albeit slightly less powerful.

    The end result will be more support for vouchers and the like so kids can go to private schools.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @anonymous
  69. the disruptions of the pandemic caused the need to re-evaluate various old policies that had been keeping things running because of inertia. But now that American thinking is so warped by the ideological demands of the Great Awokening

    Right now would be a bad time to convene a Constitutional convention.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
  70. njguy73 says:
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    People aren’t going to homeschool their kids for the simple reason that it requires work on their part.

    • Disagree: bomag
  71. The cruelest thing whites could every have done to blacks is to stop being racist and to expect blacks to compete on a level playing field with whites. In a few areas blacks outperform whites — music, stand up comedy and athletics for example. But in the vast majority of cases, blacks as a group are helplessly unable to compete with whites. Without racism to explain the obvious differences in ability, blacks internalize inferiority.

    And so as concrete earthy racism fades away, the fig leaf of black equality can only be maintained by proclamations of an abstract ethereal racism that is causing all these relative cognitive failures. The fact that Han and Brahmin minorities in the US are able to surpass the white devil at his own education game only rubs salt into black wounds. Thus black ethno-narcissism is stoked. Meanwhile, in the background, science is everyday getting closer to proving the heritability of intelligence.

    And so the only way to maintain the fiction of black equality is through a massive gaslighting campaign by the educational system. This may be the best solution to a problem that has no other solution. Blacks as a last grasp blame teacher racism for the famous achievement gap. So the schools will give blacks the cognitive equality they so desire. But narcissist have a keen sense of how reality wounds and since black cognitive is only going to get worse under this regime, expect the same of their narcissistic abuse of ethnically co-dependent whites.

  72. black sea says:
    @syonredux

    So I guess this guy believes we should stop saying France has a problem with violence (something I’ve never heard people talk about, by the way) and say instead that France has a problem with immigrants?

  73. Not Raul says:
    @Charles St. Charles

    I was thinking the same thing.

    It sounds like something from the Cultural Revolution.

  74. Do Japanese Americans even exist anymore as an ethnic group or have they so thoroughly intermarried that they don’t really exist?

  75. anon[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @jon

    The unmentioned groups, (White, Asian, Mixed, Filipino, PI), make up around 45% of the student body and get 27% of the failing grades. It’s probably not many of the Whites, and definitely not many of the Asians, that are getting all those F’s.

    White isn’t an unmentioned group. Whites are given as getting 7% of failing grades. The unaccounted for 27% doesn’t include them.

    If we assume that Asians fail at exactly the same rate as whites, they would be getting less than 3% of failing grades. We’ll just call it 3%.

    That leaves 24% for Pacific islanders and “mixed”. If “mixed” is the same thing as “black” (seems unlikely), then “mixed” would account for 20% of failing grades and Pacific islanders would be 4%. With Pacific islanders at <6% of the student body, that's not great — worse than the Hispanics — but still clearly in the "good" group.

    If "mixed" is the same thing as "Hispanic" (seems fairly likely?), then "mixed" would account for 4% of the failing grades and Pacific islanders, with their 6% of the student body, would account for 20%. That would indeed have them failing at much higher rates than blacks.

  76. Sean c says:

    I wonder if this will actually improve passing or end up backfiring on the woke. The students that are failing do not master content. The vast majority of passing students in urban schools do not master content. So if you grade on mastery they are going to fail. Someone that is in high school and has a 4th grade math and reading level is not going to master Algebra, Geometry, History, Biology or any grade level content.

    • Replies: @Paco Wové
  77. Dratmes says:
    @Supply and Demand

    The Japanese did this with American-born Japanese before WW2. They were known as “Kibei”, and were regarded by the Attorney General as the most dangerous of the Nisei, having been through the Japanese equivalent of the Hitler Youth. Some remained in Japan through the war, serving as translators.

    Radical Center is right. They should never be let back in.

  78. Whiskey says: • Website

    How is this going to play out with Asian parents? Its not as if they like paying for things themselves. Or don’t have big shots back at home to make uncomfortable calls to school administrators.

    Diversity already ran aground on the rocks of Asian parents on one legislative push to outlaw grades state wide and do other black helping stuff. Asian parents went on revolt and the kinds of people called “Shrimp Boy” showed up in Legislator’s chambers just to make sure they got the message.

    I mean, I know Gov. Newsom has promised to get more blacks into California with a White Tax and reparations for slavery to every black in California. Because nobody ever says they have enough let alone too many blacks. Everyone in the world wants more blacks. More!

    But how many nukes do black people have? How many Shrimp Boys?

    This state is going to be run by China for China. Hispanics might be allowed to remain maybe, or maybe not. blacks however … they don’t get along with the Chinese much. I don’t see the new owners allowing them to stay.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  79. black sea says:
    @syonredux

    British writer and Kurdish activist Dana Nawzar Jaf condemns Paris police for “the brutal senseless murder of the Muslim suspect” who had just chopped off the head of his school teacher.

    Couldn’t they have shot him in the hand, or something?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8851689/Anger-writer-condemns-brutal-police-murder-Islamist-terrorist-beheaded-French-teacher.html

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  80. Hey Steve,

    Watching the playoffs tonight and I heard the announcers mention that Ray’s pitcher, Charlie Morton, is an excellent musician. I had always thought Morton had more the personality of a musician than an athlete. This got me wondering about athlete: musician connections. Seemed like the kind of thing that might be up your pattern recognition alley.

    The only athlete: musician connection I can think of is Tug McGraw/Tim McGraw. After that I draw a blank. Surely there are others, but I can’t think of them.

    In general, athletes and musicians seem to come from different families and there are rarely ties or people very talented at both. One could say it’s the same as the jock/nerd divide, but that raises some interesting questions. Was Eddie Van Halen a nerd? I suppose he was technically a guitar nerd if you want to get into it, but you don’t think of him as a nerd. Being a rock-n-roll god transcends nerdom pretty fast.

    A lot of top athletes are actually pretty smart. Top musicians tend to be smart. There’s a known connection between mathematical ability and musicianship, as well as between comedians and musical talent.

    Is it possible that athletes and musicians are the most polar opposites? What are the genetic connections you can think of beyond Tug McGraw/Tim McGraw?

  81. @Mookie2020

    https://apnews.com/article/028a74f012c0d3e9ee6c2e7fc0c2a8d0

    In general, though, yeah, jocks and musicians are usually not very similar.

    Paul Robeson was an All-American football player and then a famous singer.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  82. AceDeuce says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Excellent!

    (Hopefully, this comment will make it through the patented “Woke Wankerboy Vetting Process” on this site that results in 3/4 of my comments either held in limbo for 24-48 hours or rejected altogether.)

  83. “I wonder if this will actually improve passing or end up backfiring on the woke. The students that are failing do not master content. The vast majority of passing students in urban schools do not master content. So if you grade on mastery they are going to fail. Someone that is in high school and has a 4th grade math and reading level is not going to master Algebra, Geometry, History, Biology or any grade level content.”

    Sean is literally the only person on this page who has some basic grasp of the issue. Steve is completely off base here.

    No school or district can tell a teacher what grade to give, so all the hyperventilating is absurd.

    Standards based grading is stupid, but a kid who can’t demonstrate ability will still get a bad grade if the teacher wants to give him a bad grade.

    Look, about the only practical reason for failing students is complete failure to show. Or, in some cases, adamant refusal to work.

    But teachers fail kids–and grade kids–without particular regard to ability. And they should only grade on ability. Grading on shit like turning in work on time or doing homework is stupid.

    Basically, kids who fail classes take summer school or take longer to graduate. Either way, that costs taxpayers more money. Trust me, the kids aren’t learning more from the additional school in most cases. But you’re still paying.

    The fact is, most kids pass.

    This is also not a rule for urban schools. It’s a rule for high achieving schools with teachers who are used to compliant students, and fail non-compliant stadents. Not bad behaving students. Not even stupid students (they’ll reward them if they turn in homework).

    As for the cheating, most teachers dont’ give an F for cheating. They just chew the student out and don’t give them a grade, or make them redo it at their actual ability level.

    Still, all this fulminating was amusing, if ignorant.

  84. @Colin Wright

    Black kids of course aren’t going to do 💩…

    We’ve known that for 400 years.

  85. @Trelane

    Equality of outcome for every student. That’s our goal. And we can achieve it.

    Social reality – the realm in which distortions bloom.

  86. @education realist

    Sean is literally the only person on this page who has some basic grasp of the issue.

    What does that say about yourself?

    • Replies: @education realist
  87. @RadicalCenter

    My country of birth is America, and my father is 100% Magyar while my mother is some stew of Italian, Slovene, and Finnish — all common ethnicities in Northwestern Illinois.

    I married into China and the Communist Party. I work at a university there. Mandarin’s a rather easy language, but I agree it is quite ugly. My wife’s family are party secretaries in Inner Mongolia, and they are Khalka — Mongols who assimilated into the Manchu and used their script. I find that language to be more intriguing, but there is scant literature apart from war poetry.

  88. @black sea

    British writer and Kurdish activist Dana Nawzar Jaf condemns Paris police for “the brutal senseless murder of the Muslim suspect” who had just chopped off the head of his school teacher.

    Thank God that the French public and the French President Macron don’t agree at all.

  89. Mr. Anon says:
    @Steve Sailer

    In general, though, yeah, jocks and musicians are usually not very similar.

    The intersection of the musician set with the engineer/scientist set seems to be significantly larger, though still not huge.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  90. @Charles St. Charles

    You are overthinking this. All it means is: Don’t be an asshole.

  91. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    descended from thousands of years of illiterate stoop laborers and helots in thrall to a stone-age overclass of psychotic pantheistic priest-kings.

    Hispanic people are not native South Americans.

    • Replies: @aleksander
    , @Jack D
  92. @Mr. Anon

    Musicians and artists overlap to a high degree. A large fraction of British rock stars had been to art school.

    • Replies: @black sea
  93. bomag says:
    @Joe Stalin

    …was a serious country with admirable goals

    Looks like we ran into the curse of success.

    When we increased funding back in the day, we got results. Thus the call for ever more funding.

    But this all grew an entourage class that sucks up funding and channels it into leisure activity; fake work; puberty blockers; and street protests.

  94. OT ( On Topic): Leslie Jones to host new Supermarket Sweep. Is Steve trolling the networks or the other way around?

    I’m going to use the UPI link just to emphasize the point:

    https://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/TV/2020/10/18/Leslie-Jones-explains-updates-in-new-Supermarket-Sweep/5211602780267/

  95. Mr. Anon says:
    @vhrm

    Actually, when was the high point of optimism about US race relations?

    Probably sometime in the 1970s. 1975, 1976, maybe.

  96. @Milo Minderbinder

    “English Learners” is a euphemism I hadn’t heard before

    It used to be called ESL, which stood for English as a Second Language.

  97. … teachers fail minority students more than White students – a lot more.

    Semantics … it’s the minority students who are failing, and the teachers are merely noting it.

    Boris Johnson, who only got an Upper Second.

    Still, it beats a ‘Desmond.’

  98. El Dato says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    That’s so incredibly racist that I will now boycott anything with Germ, Theory and Disease in its name, starting with the Centre of Disease Control. I’m that angry.

  99. El Dato says:
    @syonredux

    “Beheadings rang out”

  100. black sea says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I can’t think of many athletes who were good at — or adopted a new career in — any area of the arts, with the possible exception of acting, generally badly. Musicians have to be comfortable practicing and composing by themselves over long periods of time. Most athletes would probably grow inpatient with such sedentary and socially-isolating work.

    There is also the possibility that guys who are good at sports see no reason to take up music because they’re already the object of female attention. Popular music is famously a way for skinny, scrawny and not very interesting men to become more desirable in women’s eyes. There’s something about a guy standing on a stage in front of screaming fans that seems to trigger the female arousal mechanism.

    I have read the Rod Stewart was quite a good soccer player, so there’s that.

  101. 691 says:

    I’m surprised no one has mentioned the sexism angle of this. Conscientiousness and turning things in on time is a relative strength of female students. I guess this policy is supposed to help black males, but I doubt anybody has thought through the impact on black females.

    • Agree: vhrm
  102. @Mookie2020

    Bernie Williams, formerly the centerfielder of the New York Yankees, comes to mind.

    All-star caliber player from about 1995-2002, and arguably the 2nd best centerfielder in the American League over that period, behind Griffey Jr.

    Since leaving baseball, he has become a top-flight classically trained guitarist who composes latin/jazz music; has been nominated for at least one latin grammy; and has worked with Paul Simon, Bruce Springsteen and published by Paul McCartney’s label. I think he’s received a bachelor’s degree in music since retiring.

    Williams was the cornerstone of those 90s Yankees, and Gene Michaels consciously built the team around him. When he arrived in the majors, he was a very toolsy/athletic player with zero baseball IQ and as a very sensitive-unusual artist type who was infamously bullied by a number of other players (and Steinbrenner, who had a habit of bullying him too.) Michaels made it a point of jettisoning any and every player who picked on Williams while bringing in players with personalities much more tolerant of his quirks [or willing to put up with them when he was hitting .320 with 30 HR and a 100 RBIs a season].

    You could say the Yankees went out of their way to take a nerdy guy (who studied music as a child and was being pushed towards becoming a doctor by his parents) and fostered a jock-environment where he could succeed.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Hhsiii
  103. @Mr. Anon

    1984 was a good year. Late 1990s to early 2000s. Early Obama era.

    Generally, whenever the black rime rate is going down, blood libels against whites tend to decline as well.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  104. El Dato says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    This whole idea about final grades mostly (100%?) based upon a final exam score is just another, public education gimmick.

    Do these just exist in _public_ education?

    Also, you are Andrew Dickens and I claim my two pounds

    We’ve made the world crap enough for kids as it is. It’s time to award elitist school exams an F-off and ditch them for good

    There’s the weird, sadistic ritualism. Kids are filed into a room by austere teachers like lambs to slaughter, only lambs don’t know what’s coming to them. A big deal is made of the rules and the time limit before the countdown – one of humanity’s most nerve-wracking creations – is ceremonially begun.

    This, of course, comes after weeks, months and years of being told how crucial these exams are to their life chances – something that is absolutely screwing with their mental health. Forget developing conversational skills or keeping fit or learning how to cook: what really matters, kiddies, is how much you can memorise. Memorise and then, of course, almost immediately forget.

    [MORE]

    Which reminds me both of Hermann Hesse and less depressingly of Stanislaw Lem:

    These concerns, though festering, paled beside his upcoming oral with Professor Merinus, popularly nicknamed “the Merino.” To tell the truth, Pirx wasn’t all that anxious about the exam; only a few times had he been tempted to hang around the Department of Navigational Astrodesy and Astrognosis, at whose entrance students used to waylay those coming out of the Merino’s office — not to congratulate the lucky few who passed, but to hear what new and tricky questions had been devised by “the Ornery Ram,” as that pitiless interrogator was called. The old man, though he had yet to set foot inside a spaceship, to say nothing of stepping on the Moon, was possessed of such theoretical omniscience that he knew every stone of every crater in the Sea of Rains, could recite every butte and bluff of every planetoid, and was equally at home among the far-flung regions of Jupiter’s moons. It was said that he was an expert on meteors and comets yet to be discovered (in the next millennium), this ability mathematically to project future trajectories owing to his favorite pastime: the perturbational analysis of celestial bodies. And precisely this prodigious knowledge of his made him cantankerous among those whose own knowledge was microscopic by comparison. But Pirx was not the least bit intimidated by him, for he had discovered his Achilles’ heel. The professor had his own terminology, one uniquely his in the world of scientific scholarship. Guided by his own innate cunning, Pirx went to the library and got out all of Merinus’s major works. Not to read them, of course. Oh, no. He only thumbed through them, jotting down some two hundred of the Merino’s favorite verbal eccentricities. Once he had committed them to memory, he felt sure of passing. He was not disappointed. The old professor, attending closely to the style of his delivery, fidgeted and squirmed, twitched his scraggly brows, and hung on every word as if harking to the trills of a nightingale. The clouds that normally darkened his face scattered. He looked almost young again. Pirx, spurred on by this sudden transformation, and by his own pluck, really poured it on. And even though he completely flubbed the last question — it presumed a knowledge of a four-part formula, unobtainable even with the help of Merinosian rhetoric — the professor, somewhat apologetically, awarded him with a big fat B.

  105. TheBoom says:

    Only white parents care about the quality of education. Asians will like these changes because it will make it easier for them to get the top grades. Whites will simply either put their kids in private schools or get out of these woke cities. Blacks and Hispanics will be fine with the changes.

  106. AndrewR says:
    @Supply and Demand

    “Poor white people shouldn’t breed”

    Are you Jewish?

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  107. @Whiskey

    The ‘funny’ thing is, at this point they can be brazen enough to call it a ‘white tax’ and many if not most whites will be on board with it.

  108. @Hapalong Cassidy

    I always aced my exams, but rarely got As in classes because I wouldn’t turn in my homework on time (or sometimes at all)

    Another ADD bro! Have you tried Vitamin D? It’s amazing.

    • LOL: HammerJack
  109. bomag says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Nice, but that advanced literate technological post-industrial civilization appears to be sliding back into animism via the worship of Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans.

  110. Svevlad says:

    They, perhaps didn’t try one more technique to fix this gap… An ancient, now forbidden technique…

  111. Hhsiii says:
    @HammerJack

    New York actually has one of the best funded pension plans, or did pre Covid. NJ stinks, but so does South Carolina. Red or blue doesn’t have much to do with it. Most underfunded? Mitch McConnell’s home state of Kentucky.

    https://taxfoundation.org/state-public-pension-plan-funding-coronavirus/

    NY’s problems aren’t really due to pre Covid bad governance. Bad as DeBlasio is. Perhaps (well, not perhaps) an over reactive response, although to a degree flying blind.

    • Thanks: Voltarde
  112. @Neoconned

    You would be a complete and utter fool to put any Chinese software on your computer. It is spyware with a happy face.

  113. bomag says:
    @syonredux

    Some are saying you have to look at different demographics. What does that have to do with anything?

    That has everything to do with it.

  114. FPD72 says:
    @vhrm

    Now SDUSD wants to make every class into a high stakes test and they think that’ll make gaps better? Are they trolling or am i misunderstanding something?

    Texas went to state wide, standardized, “end of course” exams in a number of high school subject areas about twenty-five years ago. My kids loved it whenever one of these was used for a class final; they were so easy my kids were guaranteed an A. Don’t assume that these “high stakes” exams won’t be similar; dumbed down enough for NAMs to pass the exam.

    • Thanks: vhrm
  115. @Anon

    Math is racist. Or haven’t you heard?

  116. @Calvin Hobbes

    It must be some sort of religious thing.

    It is.

    The long march through the institutions and Trump Derangement Syndrome have spawned a perversion of Christianity that could be called Covid-Floydism.

  117. AceDeuce says:
    @Mr. Anon

    You need to qualify that statement. That might have been the WHITE high point of optimism about race.

    No, wait. Qualify it some more. The WHITE SHELTERED MIDDLE/UPPER CLASS SUBURBANITE high point of optimism about it. Because they were totally cocooned from real life negroes, they could afford the luxury of thinking there was no problem.

    Working class whites in the 70s, such as the “urban” victims of forced school busing and/or of heinous black crime and the full swing of black destruction of cities, would have begged to differ. Then as now, lower-income whites were basically ignored by more fortunate whites.

    Blacks back then had, and acted upon, the same dull and dogged hatred of whites that they have now. They haven’t changed at all.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  118. Jack D says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    NYC now also has multi-billion $ deficits projecting years into the future and no known way to fill them (more taxes will just chase people away, cities and states don’t have unlimited borrowing power like the Federal government). I think they are hoping that a Biden Administration will bail them out.

    NYC has always had a far more expensive government (more gov. employees, more welfare programs and gov. provided services) than any other US city. All sorts of things that most cities gave up long ago or never had to begin with – public hospitals, 24 hr. mass transit, city owned universities, etc. When things are good on Wall St. they can afford these programs, when they aren’t, they keep them anyway (every program has a constituency – once you put a government program in place it’s impossible to get rid of) and try to get the taxpayers of the US to pay for them.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  119. @RadicalCenter

    For what it’s worth, our children are nonetheless learning the disgusting, illogical, needlessly complicated language known as Mandarin, because we know it is likely that the soulless ruthless ant-people who speak it will be running much of the world and perhaps some of our former country.

    There’s no point in making your kids learn Mandarin. In its written form it’s too complex for non Chinese to bother learning and in its spoken form it doesn’t have nearly the capacity for expression that European languages do. It also sounds weird/ugly to most non Chinese people. Other than among language nerds, it’s never going to catch on with non Chinese people. Contrast that with English which shares an easily learned writing system with dozens of other languages and whose words and ideas already populate the minds of the world’s people.

    And if the Chinese really do take over, jobs are going to those ABCs that already learned Mandarin at home, not your White kids struggling to remember how to say “computer” or “excited” in Mandarin.

    The Chinese are a lot more into American culture and language than the other way around, no matter how many nuclear weapons they may have. Teach your kids Spanish instead. It’s a much easier, more beautiful language to learn and it’s a lot more realistic to think that it will be the future language of America if it’s not English.

  120. Flip says:
    @RadicalCenter

    These policies absolutely WILL be enacted in the suburbs — by direct federal imposition of such policies uniformly across the country, if need be. We shouldn’t deceive ourselves.

    President Harris will insist

  121. @jon

    Academic grades will now focus on mastery of the material, not a yearly average, which board members say penalizes students who get a slow start, or who struggle at points throughout the year.

    Now THIS is what white, male privilege actually looks like. Seriously, is there any group of students that will benefit more from a policy like this?

    Spot on Jon.

    That’s how i felt. “Stop making me sit here, just give me a test.” I loved test days at school cause i actually got to do something–if only just figuring out the answers and writing ’em down–rather than listening to the teacher drone on. I’ve gathered from talking to girls over the years, that’s not how they felt!

    The SAT people at least understood relative talents. They dropped analogies–the most g-loaded part–from the verbal and nixed the puzzles from the math making it a an algebra test to make it better for girls and NAMs. Girls and Asians probably benefited, but it didn’t help NAMs much as they won’t learn “master” the material.

    These “educators” in the public school bureaucracy are so stupid and PC they don’t even know which end is up. They’ve read some Critical Race Theory and “learned” that showing up on time and doing the work are oppressive white middle class norms–“structurally racist” oppression. The reality is blacks and mestizos on average are never going to “master” much academic material, but they can learn to do stuff like show up, “turn in assignments” and “class participation”–all habits that are quite useful in holding a job.

    Just sheer unadulterated idiocy. This is what happens when you let your culture be taken over. This is our nation’s brain on minoritarianism.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  122. @Polynikes

    Who pays the piper calls the tune. Vouchers will undermine any private education.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  123. @Supply and Demand

    Be more successful. Most people can not competently educate their children, as pedagogy is a learned skill. Not in the fake and gay form that education diploma mills make, but in the way that organizations with 2000+ years of historical control over education inculcate.

    Alternatively you can send them to Asian International School, but that isn’t as easy as it once was.
    ————————————–
    If most people cannot competently educate their children then doesn’t that prove that equalilty is a myth?

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  124. guest007 says:

    Once again, the way to interpret all educational policy proposals is to ask the proponents what percentage of high school seniors could possibly master calculus. If any policy proponent answer that all high school seniors should be able to learn calculus, then everyone knows that that individual has no idea what they are proposing.

    San Diego look like they want everyone to pass no matter but are working hard to hide that they know that most students do not do very well. Of course, what happens is when math teachers tell policy proponents that most high school students cannot master caluclus, the policy proponents just scream back racism, sexism, etc and claim that with enough effort and resources, all students can learn calculus.

  125. @Lot

    Native American is worth more pokemon points than Hispanic. From what I’ve seen, swarthy folks with south-of-the-border ancestry are permitted to identify as Native American when it suits them. That may explain the numbers.

  126. How did they get away with it for so long? This reminds me of the days of forced desegregation/busing in the South while Boston got a free pass for another 15 to 20 years.

  127. @TomSchmidt

    Just as sure as a Section Hate voucher will undermine any neighborhood.

  128. Anonymous[504] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, re: fervent hope in stay-up-all-week-swotting, did you see the mid-length ProPublica article by the lefty mag vet from The American Prospect who was (trying to) tutor the COVID-exiled kid in Baltimore? This had liberal Twitters all a-tither, like an economically downscale version of the e-hubbub in 2019 when The Atlantic published George Packer timidly demurring from the grace and wisdom of the NYC public school bureaucracy. That one was pre-pandemic too, but intra-Trump.

    What Gimeiyo is pointing out is the avalanche of “Throw another virgin into the volcano” problem-solving brought on by the correlated outbreaks of germophobia and crazed Floydianity — the latter resembling the “attempt to propitiate the criminal” theory bruited by Dave Mamet to explain gun control laws. Which you’d only expect, reasonably, with safetyism and Negrolatory permeating the culture for decades. These shaky faiths were always going to break down eventually.

  129. Looks like the woke policy makers have embraced the soft racism of low expectations. Where’s the wisdom of Dubya when you need him?

  130. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Boris Johnson as well as David Cameron were members of the “Bullingdon Club”, an elite dining society which is most famous for the fact that it’s members vandalise and destroy various restaurants and then pay for the damage right afterwards.

  131. EdwardM says:
    @Pestartz

    By ethnicity, 23% went to Native Americans. Another 23% of failing grades went to Hispanics. And 20% of D or F grades went to Black students. By comparison, just 7% of failing marks went to White students.

    23% + 23% + 20% + 7% = 73 % of failing grades to the above-listed groups, even assuming no overlap. Who got the other 27%?

    Maybe “D” is not a failing grade? This could be some strange spin. E.g., if “D” were not failing, this scenario would result in 20% of combined D/F going to blacks if there were an order of magnitude more Ds than Fs:

    F grades:
    23% Injuns
    23% Hispanics
    7% Whites
    47% Blacks
    [0% Asians]

    D grades:
    38% Injuns
    38% Hispanics
    7% Whites
    17% Blacks
    [0% Asians]

    Of course the article would then understate racism/black underperformance and they probably wouldn’t do that.

  132. Jmaie says:
    @Gimeiyo

    I sometimes get the sense that the impetus behind a lot of these new “woke” policies is actually despair at the impossibility of closing racial gaps, and in response, abandoning any effort to deal with “root causes” in favour of throwing out any metric, scale, or statistic that would reveal the gap.

    It never occurred to me that there could be any other reason…

  133. TWS says:
    @Barnard

    There’s more Indians than Jews in the US but you’d never guess by tv or movies.

  134. @AndrewR

    No, I’m realistic. You are not doing any favors to anyone except blacks and Jews by having white children while poor in the U S of A. You are just providing a new host for the mosquito.

  135. Anon[707] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob

    Is separation possible without crimes against humanity?

    They are only crimes if you lose.

  136. “Our institutions are no good any more: on that there is universal agreement. However, it is not their fault but ours. Once we have lost all the instincts out of which institutions grow, we lose institutions altogether because we are no longer good enough for them.” Nietzsche, Twilight of the Idols

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  137. @Sean c

    “I wonder if this will actually improve passing or end up backfiring on the woke.”

    Of course it won’t improve passing, at least if you define “passing” as “having mastery of the course material”. It will backfire, in the sense that it won’t do what it is supposed to do, but the failure will be blamed on “systemic racism” and “white supremacy”, the phlogiston and luminiferous ether of our times. Then they will try something even stupider. Eventually they may get around to assigning grades by racial quota, which would probably be considered a reasonable and effective thing to do.

  138. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    CUNY is the manifestation of the public higher education system in the five boroughs, SUNY outside the five boroughs. New York is more conservative than most states in its higher education investments. (I think more conservative than nearly all other states, truth be told). CUNY isn’t an extravagance you don’t see in other states. It’s just that the organs of government have in the past (and I think still) been the Mayor’s appointees rather than the Governor’s. (CUNY schools may be financially backstopped in a way SUNY schools are not; not sure). The city has extensive mass transit because it has the constituency for it. Mass transit’s a relic most other places, sad to say.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  139. Guest194 says:

    I can just see BIPOC students taking amphetamines to stay up for days and ace their final exams. Reminds me of a “Family Ties” episode from 1983. This approach did not work well for Alex. He crashes and ends up sleeping through his scholarship exam.

    “Alex is studying for midterms, writing multiple term papers, and studying for the state scholarship exam and is under great pressure to do well. With his workload, he pressures Mallory to get some amphetamines from her obese friend Effie Blatts . . .”

  140. @vhrm

    doing less work and/or not showing up to class

    Now there’s an idea. Suppose enforcing truancy rules is racist? Can we get that idea out there? Then we can get the problem kids off campus for good, and the learning will resume.

  141. anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @Polynikes

    SECTION 8 EDUCATION

  142. @Dave from Oz

    Yeah, South American indians are REALLY dumb.

  143. cthulhu says:

    Most of the people who make up the fairly affluent San Diego high tech industry – biotech, computers and mobile phone technology, aerospace, etc. – don’t live in the areas SDUSD serves, or if they do, they send their kids to private schools. The two top performing school districts in the greater San Diego area are Poway and San Dieguito, which serve large portions of the San Diego inland and coastal North County regions, respectively, which is where most of the people in the high tech industries live (and yes, lots of Asians). SDUSD is trying to pander to blue-collar blacks and Hispanics, and it may backfire – lots of those people are ex-military and are by no means averse to seeing their kids get a taste of discipline at school – they generally expect it and that’s how they grew up.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  144. @Michelle

    Interesting. In Europe, a medical degree from an eastern European country that is not your native country is a bad sign that you couldn’t get pass the medical school entrance exams of your own country. (In fairness, when there are not enough med school openings in a given year, even exemplary students will get cut for some small, inconsequential mistake.) EE countries themselves have far more rigorous demands for their native medical students than for foreign students in for-profit programs.

  145. @ScarletNumber

    I guess they can cover American Blacks with that change in terminology.

  146. AceDeuce says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Someone as smart as you (in many ways, at least) should know better than to believe that malarkey.

    Here’s Chris Rock in 2014:

    “When we talk about race relations in America or racial progress, it’s all nonsense. There are no race relations. White people were crazy. Now they’re not as crazy.”

    I might add that Rock is in the minority, so to speak, among his dusky brethren. They’d probably say that whites haven’t changed a bit, that they are just sneakier and more scared to be overtly “racist” (“Racist” meaning standing up for oneself, being for actual “equality”, seeing things as they actually are, and objecting to feral and dysfunctional behavior of blacks).

  147. bomag says:
    @Supply and Demand

    Most people can not competently educate their children… in the way that organizations with 2000+ years of historical control over education inculcate.

    I suspect you underestimate parents and overestimate the institution.

    I’ve seen excellent results when home schools pool resources; with five families, there will be someone with the skills and organizational ability to maintain an academic program that easily rivals a public school.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  148. @Reg Cæsar

    That my post wasn’t elevating the page with information before I wrote it.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  149. @epochehusserl

    You are asking me this question as if I don’t agree with that proposition. I live in a country with a Communist Party-driven political aristocracy which I have married into. You live in the fake and gay democracy run by finance capital.

  150. @Johnny Smoggins

    That’s a pretty bad idea. Latinos of all stripes are going to be relegated to an even lower-underclass than non-college educated whites in the future Chinese hegemony, so you’d just be hamstringing your own children’s opportunities.

    I agree on Mandarin being a wholly bastard, ugly language, though. It’s roughly on par with English in that sense. As far as literary pursuits go, I think Italian or Portuguese are the way to go. Honorable mentions to Sanskrit and Buryat as well. I feel rather strongly about this as I’m a trained linguist.

    This inherent ugliness I suspect is why the minorities within China avoid the national tongue when publishing literature and poetry, rather than nationalism. Mandarin simply is a poor means to achieve either of those ends. “Journey to the West” and other texts like it are achievements in that they made something beautiful out of poor material.

  151. @El Dato

    Public education bureaucrats always claim that their latest, new (again!) initiative, policy, whatever will make the schools great again.

    It’s such a load of complete baloney. (The schools gave up their teaching mission, in favor of babysitting, decades ago.)

    The bureaucratic imperative, and primary goal, is ALWAYS to maintain the flow of tax dollars into the system and, whenever possible, accelerate it.

    Ten years+ after some “new” policy had been implemented, when everyone can see that the initiative (whatever it was) did not benefit the school kids (guinea pigs) in any significant way (and probably made things worse), the school bureaucrats demand more time (years) to study the matter.

    Several years later, after an entire generation of school kids has been ruined, the bureaucrats come back with yet another, “new” initiative.

    Rinse and repeat.

  152. @Pestartz

    I was wondering that too. I did a web search and came across:

    https://go.boarddocs.com/ca/sandi/Board.nsf/files/BRQUES7BBDEB/$file/Final-Building%20Anti-Racist%20%26%20Restorative%20School%20Communities.pdf

    Which has a bar graph of:

    I’m not sure how to interpret this one either though!

    But it says that Asians are 6.4% for Steve and everyone else’s info.

    Maybe the “Two Plus” are counted in multiple categories (e.g. a black/white mulatto goes into both the “black” and the “white” categories)?

  153. @education realist

    Standards based grading is stupid, but a kid who can’t demonstrate ability will still get a bad grade if the teacher wants to give him a bad grade.

    Look, about the only practical reason for failing students is complete failure to show. Or, in some cases, adamant refusal to work.

    But teachers fail kids–and grade kids–without particular regard to ability. And they should only grade on ability. Grading on shit like turning in work on time or doing homework is stupid.

    You’re going to have to use more conventional terminology if you want to communicate with people like us who have never taught in a high school.

    Are you saying grades should be based on how well the coursework was done, or on whether the student seemed able to do the work, or what? If a kid has grades of 85, 90, (didn’t turn in), 75 on four equally weighted assignments, what course grade does he get?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  154. Pericles says:
    @syonredux

    The US is much more violent than France and has problems close to home that it’s never fixed, and Americans talk about other countries like they have a violence problem.

    I somehow suspect Richard Hanania would complain if you did take care of the violence problem. Some people are never satisfied.

  155. Mr. Anon says:
    @AceDeuce

    Yes, you are right. The view from Los Angeles, Seattle, or Denver west was probably different than the view from Chicago, Philadelphia, or Roxbury.

  156. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    NYC is 2nd only to SF in per capita spending (DC spends more on a city basis because there is no state) – almost $9k per capita, which is more than state spending. The city budget is $73 billion, more than many small countries.

    Philly spends less that $3K per capita. The city budget is $4.5 billion. Columbus, OH and Milwaukee spend around $1K per capita.

    None of these include public education. NYC is also #1, spending $26K per student, which is more than DOUBLE the national average.

    I noticed you didn’t mention hospitals. NYC has more expensive health care than any other state and most of it is paid for indirectly by Federal taxpayers. Philadelphia (and most other big cities) closed its city run hospitals decades ago.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Analysis_of_spending_in_America%27s_largest_cities

    I think you could explain per capita city spending fairly accurately using a function of black population plus % of white voters who are left leaning. Generally speaking all the top spending cities have either one or the other or both. NY has both.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Art Deco
  157. Jack D says:
    @Dave from Oz

    Some are. The definition of Hispanic is “Spanish speaking”. Hispanics range from 100% European blood to 100% Indio blood though most are a mix (Spanish paternal ancestry and Indio maternal ancestry) with maybe a little (or sometimes a lot) of African blood thrown in for good measure.

  158. vinteuil says:
    @Dr. X

    …the only way Trump could possibly succeed would be for him to become the totalitarian dictator they are accusing him of being…

    Precisely so. If Trump & his supporters were anything remotely like the white-supremacist monsters of left-wing nightmares, there’d be a bunch of lefty heads rotting on poles in D.C., right now; the legislature would be out of session until further notice; nobody would care who succeeded Ruth Bader Ginsburg because judges who defied the authority of the executive would instantly be removed from the scene…and so on & so forth.

    But, of course, Trump is no Hitler, or Franco, or even Putin. He, like his base, is Boobus Americanus to the very core. He, & they, are hopelessly clueless about the nature & the strength of the forces arrayed against them.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  159. Jack D says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    If you speak Spanish you can talk to the guy who mows your lawn. If you speak Chinese then you can speak to Xi Jinping. Your choice.

    TBH, it’s not that useful for a white person to speak Chinese for the reasons you state (however very handy for ordering in Chinese restaurants). (In a future occupied America it might be very handy but I don’t expect that to happen). But as a mental exercise it takes the place formerly occupied by learning Latin. Memorizing a bunch of characters and learning a tonal language is good exercise for your kid’s brain. And you don’t have to worry about having black kids in your kid’s class – blacks are about as good at learning Mandarin as they are at learning multivariable calculus. Obama’s brother did both but he is not your average ADOS.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @ScarletNumber
  160. Asians and their scholastic performance is the Great Immentionable.

    You may not be able to discuss Jews but as long as the other side is bringing up race, Asians– of various races themselves– are fair game for analysts.

    So always bring it up when meetings turn to race-in-the-schools. But avoid making declarative statements. Instead, force the other side to make them in response to your polite-but-pointed questions.

  161. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob

    I dunno, Japan and South Korea have almost no white people and are functional first world countries…

  162. bomag says:
    @Pestartz

    23% + 23% + 20% + 7% = 73 % of failing grades to the above-listed groups, even assuming no overlap. Who got the other 27%?

    I suspect the author meant to report that 23% of Native Americans received failing grades; 23% of Hispanics received failing grades; etc.

    • Replies: @blake121666
  163. Richard B says:
    @Trelane

    Equality of outcome for every student. That’s our goal. And we can achieve it.

    The Pyrrhic Victory of Low Expectations. Nothing will fail like the enforced success of this “solution” to an unsolvable problem.

    Reminds me of a passage from Nietzsche’s Beyond Good and Evil, which I’ll edit for brevity’s sake.

    There comes a time in a culture’s history when it becomes so pathologically soft and weak that it even takes the side of its worst enemies and calls it “Progress.”

  164. @Abolish_public_education

    A_p_e, Hey, don’t toss my name around. I do have little respect for public education as it now exists and the continuing decline as demonstrated by this article. Kids deserve better. In Buffalo less than 70% of HS students graduate on time. People say “Well we should go back to having trade schools.” That only works if the students coming out of a trade school can perform the work required in their trade.Paraphrasing here, but the Business Agent for the local carpenters union was quoted in print as saying…”Is it asking too much that applicants know simple math, know fractions and can read a rule?”

  165. Mastery? Have they seen the ‘students’ we are teaching in America these days? We aren’t teaching a bunch of whites or whites and asians. No, we have morons breeding morons and being coddled by feckless, avaricious politicians. Mastery…FML! These kids don’t have time to get to proficient, much less mastery. In NY on the Regents exam, most students can get through the test and pass it, but if the ‘new’ expectation became mastery, then every kid who had been skating by with a 65-84 on the Algebra and Geometry Regents exams would be exposed because they’d have NO shot at getting an 85+…the kids can become proficient, but mastery requires more than most kids can handle. That’s why data is shaped like a bell curve instead of a thermometer, because we will never have a large cadre of students reach the finish line with mastery. Mastery is for superior learners and every learner is not superior. Mastery. Give me a break. America’s bipocs won’t be able to maintain civilization once they kill, breed out, or chase off all the white people-and I don’t just mean because they are stupid and violent-I mean also that America’s bipocs won’t be intelligent and caring enough to competently teach anything to any of their own bipocs.

    • Agree: FLgeezer
  166. bomag says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    From the article: In Buffalo, only about half of high school students graduate

    Even the way schools take attendance contributes to — and masks the severity of — the problem. High school late arrivals sign in and are then counted as being present for the day, for record-keeping purposes, even if they arrive at 1 p.m. or later. Those who arrive late wait in the auditorium until the start of the next class period, a process intended to minimize classroom disruptions. But the system has its shortcomings. “A lot of kids sign in, go to the auditorium, then walk right back out. We call them ghosts,” said Bihr, the Riverside teacher. “We have four security guards — but 24 doors.”

    I thought you were exaggerating. My apologies.

  167. @Anon

    ThreeOneFive, SAT and ACT are needed because every so often nyt or wapo will publish an article about a black student, usually first in their family to attend college, who is now flunking out at Berkeley, or Harvard or Stanford. The student was tops in their class at a majority black HS. Inflated grading resulting in dispair as they realize they are in over their head. Teachers at underperforming schools want a success story so badly that they elevate students beyond their abilities. And for the marginal students they offer no hope by repeating the BS that …”as a black person you have to work twice as hard as a White student to succeed.” Sigh. Parental abilities and involvement are a good predictor of how a student will do. Nice comment by the way.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Anon
  168. @Anon7

    A7, The Headline in today’s Buffalo News…”Experts warn pandemic widens education gap.” “…some parents had to wait two or three hours to get a district issued IPad.” Of course this is all based on race. So, in 150 years from now the excuse will be “Back in 2020 your ancestors were ‘denied an IPad’ or ‘they had to wait in line to get one, and that’s why you’re so tired.’ Thanks for sharing that educational tidbit.

  169. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    My point concerned higher education and mass transit.

    FTE fall enrollment at SUNY and CUNY institutions sums to about 340,000. The ratio of FTE enrollment to total population is 0.0175, which is 21% below the national mean of 0.022 for public 4-year campuses. In re to enrollment in public 2-year schools, the ratio for New York’s community colleges is 0.011 v. a national mean of 0.0094, so in that respect, New York is 17% above national means. The distribution of 4-year enrollment between the five boroughs and the rest of the state about matches the distribution of total population. The distribution of 2-year enrollment does not – per capita enrollment in the five boroughs is about 40% below that of the rest of the state.

    You could argue that NYC is overbuilt in regard to higher education, but that would turn on the number of degree completions each year given the size of entry cohorts. CUNY would be smart to close Medgar Evers College (and hope the better students there redeploy to York College) and provide a special endowment to meet fixed costs at a number of other schools, to allow them to admit more selectively. Staten Island and the College of Technology have the most pressing problem in this respect, about five other schools have at least a small problem. AFAICT, degree completion numbers at SUNY’s four-year campuses are satisfactory.

    The problem with city-owned hospitals is the same problem public institutions have everywhere (at least in this country). Public ownership generates shortcomings in institutional culture, even when you’re not financing deficits out of general revenues. A bigger target (in NYC and everywhere else) is primary and secondary schooling.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  170. APL says:
    @education realist

    Well I don’t know how things work in U.S. school districts but here in Toronto, the teachers “submit” grades, the final report card grades are issued by the school – specifically the principal. I’ve known many teachers who were angry and irate that failing grades were turned into passing grades because of parent influence. Most will not bother to officially complain because it’s a major hassle and a poor career move.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  171. @cthulhu

    Right, some retired black Navy CPO in San Diego probably wants his kids to be taught how to work to a routine and not be encouraged to assume they can pull it out at the end through natural brilliance.

  172. Bingo!! Gimeiyo just hit a grand salami!!!

  173. anon[263] • Disclaimer says:

    The Coof is beating on US colleges like a pinata.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/students-u-colleges-drop-worsening-135612847.html

    First-year undergraduate student enrollment fell 13.7% at public four-year colleges and 11.8% at their private nonprofit counterparts. It slid 22.7% at community colleges.

    Campus housing and food service are also affected just for a start. But the worst is:

    The drop in international undergraduates is among the deepest, at 13.7%.

    International students tend to pay full tuition, and a drop of that magnitude is a big hit to any institution. All colleges except for the trade schools are being affected. Practical skillsets such as diesel engine work, welding & etc. are still in demand, and pay well.

  174. Anon[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    High earning (and tax paying) people that care about their children’s education will move to suburbia, where these policies won’t be enacted.

    No so fast. 

    In highly-educated ultra-wealthy Marin County California the high-performing public high school district simply gave every student an A in every class.  

    Since then they have
    hired a new Black administrator
    renamed Sir Francis Drake High School
    started a new anti-racism program
    started a new anti-anti-semitism program
    asked for more money

    Meanwhile in SF the legendary Lowell selective public school is preparing to dumb down too.

    Doc of the Bay

  175. CCZ says:
    @Clyde

    Time for an up-close view of “EQUITY” education, AKA: “Modern Educayshun”!

  176. @Trelane

    Equality of outcome for every student. That’s our goal. And we can achieve it.

    Of course, but only by putting a bullet in every brain.

  177. @Art Deco

    The problem with city-owned hospitals is the same problem public institutions have everywhere (at least in this country). Public ownership generates shortcomings in institutional culture . . . .

    It seems that you may not have read James Q. Wilson’s Bureaucracy, which might as well be dedicated to you. It’s worth reading.

  178. @Anon

    Now that the SAT is out, only high school grades are left. They have already been substantially compromised, but this stuff going on in San Diego will compromise them more. We’re asymptotically approaching a system where we just randomly admit applicants to college, since no effective metric will remain.

    Honestly, just bring back quotas.

    Steve’s said this at least a dozen times on this blog, and you’re both right.

  179. Art Deco says:
    @Faraday's Bobcat

    Are you saying grades should be based on how well the coursework was done, or on whether the student seemed able to do the work, or what? If a kid has grades of 85, 90, (didn’t turn in), 75 on four equally weighted assignments, what course grade does he get?

    He’s saying teachers should not be held responsible for anything.

  180. @Supply and Demand

    Most people can not competently educate their children, as pedagogy is a learned skill.

    How do you know?

    Not in the fake and gay form that education diploma mills make

    Nice of you to destroy your argument for us. If you missed university then you do not know that the least intelligent students are sent to the College of Education, where the learn to exemplify the adage, “If you cannot do you teach.” They are taught by those who exemplify the adage, “If you cannot teach, you teach teachers.”

    No PhDs who teach in university learn pedagogy. By your lights they cannot “competently educate.” Yet you say they do.

    Homeschooling is an excellent option, when the parents are motivated to make sure it works. Your claims do not meet the first glance test. We have already seen what you have on offer.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  181. @education realist

    Grading on shit like turning in work on time or doing homework is stupid.

    What world do you think your graduates will enter? Will it be a world where they have no need of turning in work on time?

    And they should only grade on ability.

    Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not: nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.” — Calvin Coolidge

    It is difficult to see how your prescription teaches persistence.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  182. Anon[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    The student was tops in their class at a majority black HS. Inflated grading resulting in dispair as they realize they are in over their head.

    Yes, you’re right. The poster child for this is the infamous Kashawn Campbell, the jolly but retarded salutarian at Jefferson High in Los Angeles who ended up at UC Berkeley to everyone’s bewilderment:

    https://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-c1-cal-freshmen-20130816-dto-htmlstory.html

    “When I delivered him, I thought he was dead,” said his mother, Lillie, recalling the umbilical cord tight around his neck. “He was still as stone but eventually he came to. Proved he was a survivor. Ever since, I’ve called him my miracle child.”

    And things go downhill from there.

    But in fact, despite these cases, high school grades are still relatively close to standardized testing, in predicting college success. This was a finding of the UC Academic Council Standardized Testing Task Force that strongly supported keeping the SAT. Colleges have data on high schools, and they discount grades from schools known for grade inflation, so this might be a factor in why grades persist in being relatively accurate accessments of college success.

    The STTF found that standardized test scores aid in predicting important aspects of student success, including undergraduate grade point average (UGPA), retention, and completion. At UC, test scores are currently better predictors of first-year GPA than high school grade point average (HSGPA), and about as good at predicting first-year retention, UGPA, and graduation. For students within any given (HSGPA) band, higher standardized test scores correlate with a higher freshman UGPA, a higher graduation UGPA, and higher likelihood of graduating within either four years (for transfers) or seven years (for freshmen). Further, the amount of variance in student outcomes explained by test scores has increased since 2007, while variance explained by high school grades has decreased, although altogether does not exceed 26%. Test scores are predictive for all demographic groups and disciplines, even after controlling for HSGPA. In fact, test scores are better predictors of success for students who are Underrepresented Minority students (URMs), who are first-generation, or whose families are low-income: that is, test scores explain more of the variance in UGPA and completion rates for students in these groups. One consequence of dropping test scores would be increased reliance on HSGPA in admissions. The STTF found that California high schools vary greatly in grading standards, and that grade inflation is part of why the predictive power of HSGPA has decreased since the last UC study.

    https://senate.universityofcalifornia.edu/_files/committees/sttf/sttf-report.pdf

    • Replies: @vhrm
  183. @jon

    According to the equivalent news story in the San Diego Union-Tribune, “Asian” students getting D and F grades were at 6% (vs 7% for whites). So yeah, they’re suffering a lot under “systemic white racism,” aren’t they?

  184. @Steve Sailer

    “Nobody works it out on nerve when
    There’s no nerve left.”
    — Jim Carroll, “New Year 1970”

    People don’t seem to understand how cramming or “swotting(?)” works. If you’re a mediocrity or less, you can never, ever goof off the whole semester then think you can cram for 100 hours straight and ace the final. You can’t do it. Not at least on a “real” final. And it never works in STEM or Difficult Foreign Languages, not even for the smart-arses, only in humanities etc.

    People who pull this stunt at top-tier Oxford-level universities have not been “goofing off” the whole time, even if that’s what it looks like. They have been sparring with one another in unusual contexts, pursuing mad quixotic solo pursuits, reading off the reservation. If nothing else, they’ve been using one another as a sort of hi-tech intellectual scratching post. By the time cramming season comes around, their wits and their claws are honed to razor levels and they’re ready to roll.

    Don’t critique it if you haven’t seen it. Or done it.

    The lion sleeps in the sun.
    Its nose is on its paws.
    It can kill a man.
    — Stevens, Poetry Is A Destructive Force

  185. I always went by the theory that it is easier to teach a student the right way, even at a later age, then to try and undo the effects of inadequate peer groups, teaching, etc. Though my kids hated being home schooled, and I sunk my career in the process, I ended up with college graduates in STEM that far succeeded my scientific knowledge. I realize that not everyone can teach, but do feel that teaching the basics is not beyond any white parent’s abilities, and all it really takes is to avoid ruining your children by having them run with the wrong crowd. The most difficult part of the public school experience is being thrown in with drones and coloreds. That and the importance of having a male in the house. I know of ‘educated’ women, such as high school teachers, that had unwed daughters dropping frogs by whatever fool that would knock them up. Good job mom! The other thing was to get the kids into community college programs ASAP. Instead of a useless diploma, get them into college at 16, with a GED and/or an Associate’s degree instead. STEM programs are tough enough without wasting time with under-qualified secondary instructors. While there are qualified HS science instructors out there, colleges don’t give anyone with a teaching credential the ability to cover a calculus class. Teach them the basics, keep them out of trouble and get them oriented toward thinking mathematically. Into JC by 16, and the odds are favorable. Public schools are a crap shoot at best, and even the private schools can have limitations (libtard faculty for example).

    If one wants children, invest time. Screw quality time; they need plenty of support and guidance which can’t be measured in minutes. The (((system))) wants your kids to be idiots, and one only has the first 12 years or so to condition them before adolescence kicks in.

  186. @APL

    Most will not bother to officially complain because it’s a major hassle and a poor career move.

    I disagree that it’s a major hassle. Rather, it’s an obvious waste of time so no one bothers. However, the bolded is the real reason.

  187. Alden says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    So few Whites go to city public schools in California who cares? Let the Asians blacks and Hispanics deal with their non White dysfunctional retarded public schools. Although White taxpayers pay for the debacle, it’s not our problem.

    More than half the kids come from an average 90 IQ demographic. That means a good chunk of that demographic has IQs between 75 and 89.
    What can one expect.

    Poor Asians no more SATs, just one grade, passing, soon all high school math from remedial to trig and calculus labeled Math.

    Who cares?

  188. nebulafox says:
    @Jack D

    >TBH, it’s not that useful for a white person to speak Chinese

    Oh, I don’t know. It’s really fun to overhear women’s comments on the subway about you and your lady, with them assuming neither of you non-Han dums-dums can understand, and watch their jaws drop when you let them know your assessment on their looks in Mandarin as you walk off. Never fails to amuse.

  189. Alden says:
    @Lot

    The study probably shows that 23 percent of the thousand or so Native American students got Ds & Fs. And 23 percent of the 100K or so Hispanics also got Ds and Fs

    Which proves that the journalist who wrote the article cannot understand what he read. Or maybe the affirmative action LOL educator who wrote it is as retarded as the students.

  190. @Jack D

    If you speak Spanish you can talk to the guy who mows your lawn. If you speak Chinese then you can speak to Xi Jinping. Your choice.

    How often do I speak to the guy who mows my lawn? How often do I speak to Xi Jinping?

  191. nebulafox says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    >No PhDs who teach in university learn pedagogy.

    I’ve met Nobel Prize winners that were piss-poor teachers.

  192. Alden says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I think the outfits are very cute. For women that is. Seriously, those outfits are just old fashioned. That was ordinary style for men around 1820.

    Ever heard of dress for dinner, an ordinary dinner at home? That’s what ordinary men wore for dinner at home. Ever hear of military officers “ mess” uniforms? Mess being the officers club dining room. The formal mess uniform was required after 5 or 6 PM or you couldn’t enter the officers dining room.

    Women did the same, always changing around 5 PM even if they weren’t going anywhere. Everybody in Europe and the Americas did it.

    • Replies: @Anon
  193. Alden says:
    @jon

    Are you from California? California Filipinos are very middle class heavily concentrated in medicine and do about the same as Whites in school and colleges. Unlike from some countries Filipino immigrants tend to be middle class legal immigrants. And many Filipinos have been here for generations.

    They used to be classified as Pacific Islanders.

  194. @nebulafox

    My understanding is that a university will allow a star faculty member to do as little teaching as he wants.

    The profster naturally focuses on his grant-generating research, his consulting for private industry, and schmoozing with donors.

    He limits his teaching “burden”, if any, to guiding his graduate students.

    In the case of a public university, the exact opposite of what taxpayers want.

  195. @Anon

    If I recall correctly, a state university in San Diego literally invented the concept of the diversity statement for hiring and promotion in academia.

    SDSU is the Aztecs. Don’t send your virgin there.

    Also, don’t confuse SDSU with UCSD or the Catholic USD. San Francisco also has a thicket of similar-sounding schools.

  196. Gabe Ruth says:
    @Michelle

    Thinking about all the current year assumptions that allow those few sentences to make any sense. Absolutely astounding what the woke folk have achieved.

  197. @bomag

    That must be it. It explains the large American Indian number as well.

  198. I wonder if this new regimen will apply to traditional “cut” sports like football, or is it academic only?

  199. Lot says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    In its written form it’s too complex for non Chinese to bother learning

    Young Chinese in China increasingly can’t write in Mandarin. They type phonetically and their computer or phone then comes up with the correct character. If you ask them to translate “The penguin built her nest on the Antarctic glacier,” they could say it but not write it down with a pen.

    I agree Spanish is the most useful and easy language for American kids, but instant computer translation is nearly here and is only going to get better each year. It will never be quite the same thing as being fluent in another language, but it will certainly be better than taking 3 years of it in high school and another few classes in college.

  200. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    Very civilized. I tell my kids to always dress nicely for lunch at home. If you can’t dress nicely for those who love you best, why bother with strangers.

    The Bullingdon uniform.. helps with bonding and is a serious, expensive, in-group status symbol. Boarding school 201.

  201. vhrm says:
    @Anon

    Underrepresented Minority students (URMs), who are first-generation, or whose families are low-income: that is, test scores explain more of the variance in UGPA and completion rates for students in these groups.

    That’s a thing that’s lost in the shuffle sometimes: Standardized tests, heck outright IQ tests even are actually GOOD for low income smart kids regardless of color. Good for poor white farm boys, good for poor ghetto Jews, good for poor Latino and Asian immigrants’ kids, AND good for poor black kids.

    It’s the reason they started being used!

  202. keypusher says:
    @education realist

    The vast majority of passing students in urban schools do not master content. So if you grade on mastery they are going to fail.

    Do you really think that’s what is going to happen in San Diego? They’re going to start flunking the vast majority of students that do not master content? Or are they going to pass anyone who turns in a shit group “portfolio”?

    And do you wanna bet? Specifically, on whether the pass rate will be over 50% next year? Since I guess you think it won’t be.

  203. keypusher says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Between the passage of the Voting Rights Act and the Watts riots.

    So, between August 6 and August 11, 1965.

  204. keypusher says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Don’t be fooled. I know from education realist that that English Learners includes large numbers of Hispanics who are second or third generation American and who can speak English just fine but are academically incompetent, or if you’re less polite, just dumb.

    https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2016/10/16/ell-isnt-language-instruction/

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