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From the Washington Post news section:

Sweetgreen CEO criticized after connecting the pandemic to unhealthy eating: ‘Incredibly fat-phobic’

By Jonathan Edwards
Yesterday at 7:43 a.m. EDT

Vaccines and masks won’t save us from the pandemic, Jonathan Neman wrote, but the Sweetgreen CEO has a solution: Outlaw junk food.

Neman, whose chain of 100-plus restaurants sells salads for \$10 to \$15 a pop, published a LinkedIn post Tuesday suggesting that obesity is the “root cause” of health problems — including severe coronavirus infections.

“[Seventy-eight percent] of hospitalizations due to COVID are Obese and Overweight people. Is there an underlying problem that perhaps we have not given enough attention to?” he wrote, appearing to cite March Centers for Disease Control and Prevention covid-19 hospitalization data.

Neman concluded that covid will be around for the foreseeable future and therefore people have to find a way to coexist with the virus.

“We cannot run away from it and no vaccine nor mask will save us (in full disclosure I am vaccinated and support others to get vaccinated),” the Georgetown University graduate wrote. “Our best bet is to learn how to best live with it and focus on overall health [vs.] preventing infection.”

Government officials, he added, should ban or tax unhealthy food.

“We clearly have no problem with government overreach on how we live our lives all in the name of ‘health,’” he wrote. “What if we made the food that is making us sick illegal? What if we taxed processed food and refined sugar to pay for the impact of the pandemic? What if we incentivized health?”

After his remarks were published, some commenters knocked Neman for fat-shaming people, Business Insider reported.

“Yikes, this is incredibly fat-phobic,” one person commented on his LinkedIn post. “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”

Neman deleted the post after Vice reported on it Wednesday.

This kind of idea was pretty mainstream a dozen years ago back when NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg banned Big Gulp sugary drinks at fast food restaurants.

But now it seems kind of Anti-Diversity, although I’m not sure if the fat get a full Pokemon point.

That got me wondering how much of white women’s enthusiasm for the Racial Reckoning is motivated by the view of black women as the leading edge of Fat Liberation?

Blacks and whites are about the same height (with whites being a fraction of an inch taller on average according to the feds’ ongoing NHANES project of measuring Americans for the benefit of clothing retailers and manufacturers). Black and white men age 20-39 are about the same weight, but black women outweigh white women on average by 20 pounds.

So maybe a lot of white women are enthusiastic about black women being recently idealized as the epitome of beauty because they sense that if sometimes comes to adore 190 pound black women that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?

 
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  1. This is post that gets Steve canceled.

    • LOL: Hangnail Hans
  2. “Incredibly fat-phobic”

    But also true, right? Or it doesn’t even matter anymore if what you say is true or not?

    Well, I guess fat people can gorge themselves and die of Covid or heart attacks, if that makes them happy.

    Neman deleted the post after Vice reported on it Wednesday.

    Funny. I think “Vice” was supposedly created to be a “politically incorrect” magazine, but like everything else in the culture, soon mutated into wokism über alles, with komissars searching social media for any “thought crimes” that anyone might commit.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Dumbo

    Gavin McInnes either helped created Vice, or at least was a prominent employee there for quite some time. He didn't last too long after the Awokening.

  3. “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”

    [MORE]

    I see this sort of construction more and more. The other day it was about trans athletes, and “why would assigning someone to a category affect their ability?” No. What we are doing is noticing which category they fall into.

    Even “body positivists” cannot stomach calling people fat. Not even in the abstract. I think this is where the “all disparities are caused by discrimination (BadWhites)” is headed. Maybe that was the goal all along.

    Don’t get me wrong. I am sure healthcare providers “underserves” the obese (would that restaurants did the same!) It has to discouraging to be prescribing whatever while thinking “you would not need this drug if you lost 100 pounds.” But healthcare providers are constrained by physical reality. Realistically, a two hundred pound woman cannot exercise. She will do too much wear and tear to her joints, and the exercise will be so unpleasant that she won’t do it twice.

    I think gym class could help, we’re there a sea change in the people who are assigned to the gym teacher category. Too often, whether by design or for the same reason academic classes are humiliating for the dumb, gym class is about shaming nerds and fat kids. Really, the people who most need gym class, because athletes will exercise on their own. I propose segregating gym classes by ability. We do with academic classes, or used to. I am not particularly athletic, which is an understatement. I always had more fun and got more expertise when the good athletes were not there for whatever reason. Unlike academics, which has objective standards, sports are completely relative. Someone always wins. Remember the World Cup, when the alien “French” team won, and non-whites were all proud, and cucks were like, “we were right to give away our futures”? If the French team had not won, then someone else would have. Every single time.

    Sure kids would get made fun off for being in remedial gym. But they’d get some excercise. It might even help the athletic kids. Without nerds to dunk on, athletes would play people closer to their level, and hopefully realize that they are never going to the NBA. A lot of kids would have more realistic goals that way? Maybe not, it’s not like dim, clumsy black kids have lower middle class aspirations. But at least more kids would get a work out.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Rob

    The conservative Limbaugh Letter sportsball doofuses rewarded by the Reagan economy for Liars Poker BSD metrics bear a lot of blame for where the nation is today socially. It isn’t just the air-headed women who put us here with their feelings and Montessori garbage. Surrender of standards was vastly accelerated by these LSU and ‘Bama boosters who didn’t care what the machine did so long as they got to position their bucks for TV glory

    , @res
    @Rob


    “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”
     
    Let's step back and ask whether that is actually true. How do we define underserved? Because health care spending appears to (unsurprisingly) be higher for the obese.
    The Impact of Obesity on Health Care Utilization and Expenditures in a Medicare Supplement Population
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5119873/

    Abstract:

    Objective: Obesity is a contributor to increased chronic conditions resulting in higher utilization of medical services among broad populations of older adults. The objective of this study was to evaluate the magnitude of the impact of weight on health care use patterns among Medicare Supplement insureds.
    Method: We estimated the impact of weight as a function of body mass index (BMI) on health care utilization and expenditures using propensity weighted multivariate regression models. The outcomes were controlled initially for demographics and socioeconomics and then additionally for chronic conditions and health status.
    Results: Among the 9,484 survey respondents, 22.9% were obese. Those categorized as obese were significantly more likely to incur inpatient admissions and orthopedic procedures. Annualized health care expenditures were US$1,496 higher for obese compared with normal weight. The excess utilization and expenditures associated with obesity were explained by chronic conditions and poor health status.
    Conclusion: Obesity-related expenditures associated with medical management are largely preventable and may benefit from interventions that target lifestyle behaviors and weight management among older adults.
     
    This page has various breakdowns of health care spending, but nothing for overweight/obesity. Health care spending tends to follow something like an 80/20 rule and I would be surprised if the overweight and obese weren't disproportionately in the high spenders group (though elderly who have lost weight and cancer patients in general might make a counterargument).
    https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-expenditures-vary-across-population/#item-discussion-of-health-spending-often-focus-on-averages-but-a-small-share-of-the-population-incurs-most-of-the-cost_2016

    It seems like that commenter is mixing things up with this talking point.
    Diet and Obesity Issues in the Underserved
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28164812/

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @donut

    , @anon
    @Rob

    I do believe that we are living in a giant bowl of nominalism. The label defines the object. The map shapes the territory.

    If enough people in the Pentagon say "Afghanistan has an army" then everyone else will agree with that. They will expect this "army" to function pretty much like the US army.

    When the Afghan "army" turns out to be a mob of unpaid and poorly trained dim guys, all the nominalists are surprised, and look for someone to blame.

    "Considered to be" is the map. One cannot look at the territory and decide to adjust the map, no, the map absolutely is constantly reconfiguring the territory.

    It is a mix of cargo-cult and other superstitions. The geniuses who do this insist they are all about Teh Science!, reinforcing their utter lack of rational though.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @Marty
    @Rob

    I think they’re over-served. I used to have an internist in Oakland, a good diagnostician with a horribly confrontational personality. Every time I was in there, I’d be the only white among 5-6 massive black buffaloes, obvious diabetes cases. I got the impression this guy enjoyed feeling like he was walking across the Selma bridge with King. He essentially fired me as a patient, probably because I made his Orcs look bad by comparison.

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Rob


    Realistically, a two hundred pound woman cannot exercise. She will do too much wear and tear to her joints, and the exercise will be so unpleasant that she won’t do it twice.
     
    We spend 30 – 40% more on women’s health then we do men’s. It is throughout their entire life span, not just when they are pregnant, and they live five years longer than men. Men suffer more bad medical outcomes than women by far. One big exception is breast cancer but of course that is why we hear about it endlessly. Basically, men don’t count for shit unless you consider that is where most of the money comes to pay for everything. By law, women cannot be charged more for health insurance. It could be handled like title IX and just split the apple down the middle but that would be equal and fair. Abortion is the penultimate hyper-gamic variant of this phenomenon. It is in the news again, ugh. The issue could have been settled a long time ago if women just paid for it themselves keeping it legal and available but that would wreck the whole point; the point being I have one and you don’t so shut up and pay.

    Replies: @Rob

  4. So (…) that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?

    You saying there some sorta fats domino effect?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Nice job!

    , @donut
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    This out break of punning is assuming epidemic proportions here at TURD .

    , @Mr. Peabody
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I hear ya knockin'.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    We need an arrrgh button!

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @the one they call Desanex

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Nah, it's just that fat people aren't pulling their weight in society.

    , @Hangnail Hans
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    A fat guy could shed a lot of pounds walking to New Orleans.

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You’ve taken the (Chubby) checkered flag!

    Replies: @Skyler the Weird

    , @Escher
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Did you mean a Domino’s Effect?

  5. Anon[398] • Disclaimer says:

    According to this source, black women weigh 16 pounds more than white women.

    https://www.medicinenet.com/weight_women/article.htm

    Non-Hispanic Asian: 132.4 pounds
    Hispanic: 169 pounds
    Non-Hispanic White: 170.9 pounds
    Non-Hispanic Black: 186.1 pounds

    I doubt White women are all that enthused since they’re already obese.
    Asian women were always the beauty ideal anyway. It’s Asian women’s presence everybody is afraid of.

    I was surprised Latinas weigh less but they are about an inch shorter. Hispanics have less muscle mass, as well.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon


    I doubt White women are all that enthused since they’re already obese.
    Asian women were always the beauty ideal anyway. It’s Asian women’s presence everybody is afraid of.

     

    Asian women are the beauty ideal for HBD white guys who can't attract attractive white women

    How many successful white guys with sex appeal date Asian women? Almost none

    How many HBDers date Asian women? A lot of them

    How many of the white women who date successful white men would date an HBDer? None

    How many Asian women who date HBDErs would date a successful white guy? All of them

    Replies: @Anon

  6. **That got me wondering how much of white women’s enthusiasm for the Racial Reckoning is motivated by the view of black women as the leading edge of Fat Liberation?

    Steve, this is a great comment, but 98% of the public would either be offended by it or it would go over their heads.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Joe Schmoezilla

    From hippo to hip ho.

    How times have changed. Characters I considered as fat in movies and TV shows of my youth now look merely chubby or somewhat overweight.

    Compared to mega-fatsos today, they aren't so big.

  7. He owns a \$21 million house and is married to an “Iranian-Jewish billionaire heiress”, so obviously he has his finger on the pulse of reality.
    https://variety.com/2019/dirt/real-estate/jonathan-neman-house-1203282289/

    It would be interesting to know how much of the money that bought the house was his rather than hers. Probably not much. He is part-owner of 100 restaurants with \$10 and \$15 menus. There doesn’t seem to be a massive amount of profit in that. This leads to the second point.

    It would be interesting to know how his wife’s family managed to smuggle their money out of Iran, if they are indeed billionaires. Also, are they using Neman’s company to launder their money?

    • Replies: @TWS
    @Verymuchalive

    You really have to ask? His wife's gazillionaire father made it out of Iran with a fortune. The question is not if but how much they are laundering and what other shenanigans they are up to.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    , @Anonymous
    @Verymuchalive

    If his wife’s family were billionaires, guarantied, they never kept their money in Iran in the first place. You don’t get to be a billionaire by being a moron. They undoubtedly saw the writing on the wall and had it all in the US or Europe long before. By the way when you move your own money from one country to another, it isn't smuggling. It is a bank transfer. I’m glad they brought it here.

  8. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So (...) that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?
     
    You saying there some sorta fats domino effect?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @donut, @Mr. Peabody, @TomSchmidt, @Almost Missouri, @Hangnail Hans, @Paul Jolliffe, @Escher

    Nice job!

  9. America should have free healthcare for people with less than 33 inch waists. Japan does something similar: https://louisestephen.com/2018/02/24/obesity-japan-can-metabo-law-prevent-it/

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @TelfoedJohn


    America should have free healthcare for people with less than 33 inch waists.
     
    America's Meth addicts will be gladdened.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    @TelfoedJohn

    Japanese people are very homogenous in their height and body shape compared to Americans. It would never work in America. Also, in Japan, your employer gets your annual medical check-up results. Probably not something most americans would be happy about.

    Individually, insurance companies could provide incentives for weight loss, and some do I believe. There is one healthcare management company that promotes low-carb eating, and I believe they published results showing lower rates of COVID hospitalization of their enrollees than other insurers. P.D. Mangan tweeted it out a few months ago.

  10. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So (...) that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?
     
    You saying there some sorta fats domino effect?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @donut, @Mr. Peabody, @TomSchmidt, @Almost Missouri, @Hangnail Hans, @Paul Jolliffe, @Escher

    This out break of punning is assuming epidemic proportions here at TURD .

  11. Government officials, he added, should ban or tax unhealthy food.

    ALARM. RED FLAG.

    This is never the solution. Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake. Yes, sometimes it is a necessary evil, which is why we have laws against things commonly known to be bad, like murder, whereas eating a Snickers bar should not be punishable by extra tax…

    … just because some purveyor of overpriced greens says so. BTW, he is in the carbohydrate business.

    There are plenty of skinny people who drink Coke, munch snacks and never get fat. There is a lot more to this story than “Eat salads or pay tax, prole!” If anything, it was the government’s idiotic food pyramid that made America fat by emphasizing carb consumption over protein…

    … and completely ignoring the superior effects EXERCISE has on health and body fat content.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake.
     
    You're absolutely right. The government has no business legislating murder and rape.
    , @slumber_j
    @Buzz Mohawk


    … and completely ignoring the superior effects EXERCISE has on health and body fat content.
     
    Right, and particularly more explosive stuff and weight training. Public-heath officialdom's emphasis on cardiovascular exercise is the equivalent of the food pyramid: take a longish brisk walk, and you're fine in that department. If you want to control weight and actually feel good, try a little lifting and sprinting--and it doesn't need to be very much, you don't need to get ripped or whatever. It's boring, but so is everything, and at least it doesn't last very long.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Anon, @3g4me

    , @millenial
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Why don't we start by removing corn and soybean subsidies? Maybe use the money to add subsidies for local fruit and vegetable growers instead.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yeah, I would accept the sincerity of his advice a lot more if he didn't stand to directly profit from it. It's easy to be in favor of stuff that tends to enhance your bank account. Let's see him be brave and give advice that puts himself out of business...

    Meanwhile he is asking the government to act as his enforcer and put his competitors out of business. That's much easier than having to compete in the market. Let's see - for $10 I can have a couple of delicious hamburgers or else I can have a bowl of wilted lettuce. At least some of his customers are going to opt for the hamburgers unless the gubmint does him a big favor and takes this decision out of their hands.

    , @res
    @Buzz Mohawk


    This is never the solution. Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake.
     
    But it is so seductive. As an example, I think Finland's policy to promote salt substitutes in processed foods is a win for public health. This paper look at a number of countries doing similar things.
    Effective population-wide public health interventions to promote sodium reduction
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2764755/

    Finland is interesting because their Pansalt has more than potassium (the typical salt substitute is just a mix of sodium and potassium chloride in varying proportions).
    https://oribalt.lv/en/24/pansalt

    Ingredients: 57 % sodium chloride, 28 % potassium chloride, 12 % magnesium sulphate, 2 % lysine hydrochloride, 1 % silicon dioxide and 0.0036 % iodine. Pansalt contains iodine 25 mg/kg.

     

    My choice for government intervention would be to encourage/subsidize the healthier alternatives (here Pansalt) rather than taxing (a decent option IMHO, though the slippery slope is pernicious) or banning (worst alternative) the "bad" choices. For Pansalt at commercial scale I suspect the price would not be that bad, but right now it is hard to find in the US at all. Someone marketed it in the mid-1990s, but I don't know what happened.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/06/nyregion/salt-substitute-from-tarrytown-company.html

    AFAICT Pansalt is either expensive or unavailable in the US. At commercial scale I think it would be much more competitive.

    P.S. Part of the solution is to stop subsidizing unhealthy food. A significant part of our agricultural programs has exactly that effect (e.g. corn subsidies and high fructose corn syrup).

    Replies: @Jack D, @stillCARealist, @Peterike, @El Dato, @Jack D

    , @HA
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake."

    Whereas allowing health insurance companies to charge you more for being a tobacco user is apparently perfectly legal. Tobacco users can cry all day about "my body, my choice" and how nicotine reduces Parkinson's disease (and that's true, by the way), but in the end, they have to pony up at least some of whatever extra costs are associated with their lifestyle choices.

    I'd settle for the government allowing insurance companies to do something similar in the case of someone who can't manage to get off the couch and lose a few.

    It's admittedly a big can of worms -- there's no way gays are ever going to be required to pay more for all the high-risk behaviors they are, statistically speaking, extra enamored of (because the experts assure us that is all 100% due to homophobia, so that if anything, it's all the uptight straights who should cover the added costs) -- and the other grievance hustlers will say the same regarding their pet causes, but there is no reason a teetotaling Mormon should pay the same health insurance costs as the two-pack-a-day singer in an AC/DC tribute band.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Gary in Gramercy

    , @Half Canadian
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If there is an expectation for providing services (ie, health care), then there should be taxes on products or services that increase the likelihood of using those services.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  12. The fatties are everywhere. We don’t have any blaxx around here for white female fatties to compete with, but fatties there are aplenty. Mexicans coming up from below the border are nearly ALL massively obese, I notice. White women enthusiastically rooting for the Racial Reckoning are about black dick, mostly. Well, until their new black masters beat them black (heh) and blue. White women are no heros to black women from the sound of it and white women are happy to get fat without the example of black fatties.

    Fatties are gross, by the way, fuggin disgusting. They’re all on my got no time for list.

    • Replies: @sparx
    @Jim Christian

    There has to be something wrong with you
    You have to be short and/or bald and/or ugly, which is why you can't get laid

    Good looking guys don't give a second thought about fat women

    Replies: @Jim Christian

  13. We clearly have no problem with government overreach on how we live our lives all in the name of ‘health,’” he wrote. “What if we made the food that is making us sick illegal? What if we taxed processed food and refined sugar to pay for the impact of the pandemic? What if we incentivized health?”

    Speak for yourself, salad boy! We clearly DO have a problem with government overreach on how we live our lives in the name of … ANYTHING., if I could please include me in this we.

    Being far from NY City, Bloomberg’s nanny-statism didn’t affect me, but it was more sickening than a 64 oz Big Gulp to the health of a free society. Michael Bloomberg is a threat to a free society.

    That is not to say I don’t agree that a lower obesity rate would not be a good thing for individuals and this country. Rather than worry about the Kung Flu, really fat people ought to be worried about Diabetes. It is a BAD disease and has been one of the most common causes of early deaths (not to mention amputations).

    I don’t think I like anyone involved in that whole article, on either side.

    .

    BTW, 10 or 15 bucks for a salad? My wife puts together all kinds of healthy vegetables – usually 1.25 lb. worth just for my share, for 1/3 of that money. I’m guessing the atmosphere at Sweetgreen is not as fun as What-a-burger either.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Achmed E. Newman


    BTW, 10 or 15 bucks for a salad? My wife puts together all kinds of healthy vegetables – usually 1.25 lb. worth just for my share, for 1/3 of that money.
     
    Apparently there is a whole economy of morons who buy lunch and/or dinner at these places. They have no idea what real food is or how to enjoy it at home.

    The last time I had to manage human workers, many of them would leave at lunch time and spend everything they had made all morning buying crap at come chain food place.

    Recently, someone gave me a bribe, um, gift card for Panera Bread. I hadn't been to one since my wife and I grabbed lunch at one out of necessity in downtown Denver. Well, we discovered, via several free visits, that their menu really consists of a cleverly designed formula with about 3 or 4 basic kinds of sandwiches and salads, each variation priced at or around 10 bucks.

    Now, if you can find yourself a real delicatessen, you can have them make you any one of a hundred beautiful sandwiches. You will not find a Reuben at Panera Bread, and the mouth breathers behind the counter will not know what one is, but go to a deli and you can have one, or a pastrami on rye, or anything else. AND it will cost you less than Panera Bread.

    Chipotle was a similar experience when we decided to try it. I remember basically two pails of slop sunk behind the counter, and left-curve kids ladling into bowls. No wonder so many people have gotten sick, and so much news consists of "still more customers hunch over in agony after eating at Chipotle."

    When your wife is an excellent cook, and when you work as her sous-chef, you realize how little is really offered, at a high price, by chains like those.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Peter Akuleyev, @Stan Adams, @Bill Jones, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Being far from NY City, Bloomberg’s nanny-statism didn’t affect me, but it was more sickening than a 64 oz Big Gulp to the health of a free society. Michael Bloomberg is a threat to a free society.
     
    Not knowing your comment history by heart, AEN, I have to ask: are you in favor of legalizing cocaine and heroin (Cocaine is actually legal and can be obtained with Prescription. So maybe I mean decriminalizing.)?

    The food companies know exactly how addictive things like salt sugar and fat are. You can read the book of that name if you want to get some of the science that went into this. Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm. Why shouldn't it be banned? Or at least licensed?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Sparkon, @Veteran Aryan, @Jack D, @anon

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "salad boy!"

    People really don't like salad; they like salad dressing. Why else would they smother tomatoes, broccoli florets, carrots, and the assorted leafy greens under a blanket of pink or white goo. And that's what salad dressing is: goo of an indeterminate origin.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ach, governmaent over reach in Berkeley means you can no longer find candy or gum or snack foods at the check out counter. Too much temptation, but you can find a tent in Peoples' Park where they will test your drugs of choice to see if they are tainted with fentanyl...priorities.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Most salads are just a really expensive way to consume water.

  14. So maybe a lot of white women are enthusiastic about black women being recently idealized as the epitome of beauty because they sense that if sometimes comes to adore 190 pound black women that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?

    That theory only goes as far as the first guy that doesn’t look at them. A big part of women’s lives has to do with getting men to look at them a certain way. A girl can rationalize that it’s perfectly fine that she’s ballooned out right up until she leaves the house and doesn’t have any guys looking at any specific parts of her body.

    It’s hard to fool Mother Nature. They tried it with margarine in the 1970s. They got a few good decades of sales, but …

    As far as black women getting down to 190 lb., good on ’em!

    • Agree: Jim Christian
    • LOL: fish
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Funny you mentioned women wanting looks, Achmed. Main complaint of the middle aged and fat chick is, they're "invisible". In stores, invisible. On the other hand, IN the office, don't you dare look. Or be the wrong guy to look, especially.

    , @Old Prude
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I recently had a week of interaction with CNAs in a care facility. Every one was at least twenty-pounds overweight. Shame was, they were all attractive, and a few would have been jaw drop gorgeous slimmed down. I don't get it.

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A very sad thing has been what has happened to beauty pageants.

    At first they were local debutante affairs, where all the young virgins who had just reached "of age" were displayed so the men looking to wife up could be sure they were allowed to hit on them and to oogle.

    Then they became this affair as a career stepping stone that women on-the-make used to get into showbiz. Men's interest in the events was optional but less required. Rich men could oogle and get a young trophy wife if they wanted.

    Now it's a gay.female ghetto (to steal from whiskey), where homos and sluts rank the next reality stars on their ability to speak wokism the most.

    So sad.

  15. @Achmed E. Newman

    We clearly have no problem with government overreach on how we live our lives all in the name of ‘health,’” he wrote. “What if we made the food that is making us sick illegal? What if we taxed processed food and refined sugar to pay for the impact of the pandemic? What if we incentivized health?”
     
    Speak for yourself, salad boy! We clearly DO have a problem with government overreach on how we live our lives in the name of ... ANYTHING., if I could please include me in this we.

    Being far from NY City, Bloomberg's nanny-statism didn't affect me, but it was more sickening than a 64 oz Big Gulp to the health of a free society. Michael Bloomberg is a threat to a free society.

    That is not to say I don't agree that a lower obesity rate would not be a good thing for individuals and this country. Rather than worry about the Kung Flu, really fat people ought to be worried about Diabetes. It is a BAD disease and has been one of the most common causes of early deaths (not to mention amputations).

    I don't think I like anyone involved in that whole article, on either side.

    .

    BTW, 10 or 15 bucks for a salad? My wife puts together all kinds of healthy vegetables - usually 1.25 lb. worth just for my share, for 1/3 of that money. I'm guessing the atmosphere at Sweetgreen is not as fun as What-a-burger either.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TomSchmidt, @SunBakedSuburb, @Buffalo Joe, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    BTW, 10 or 15 bucks for a salad? My wife puts together all kinds of healthy vegetables – usually 1.25 lb. worth just for my share, for 1/3 of that money.

    Apparently there is a whole economy of morons who buy lunch and/or dinner at these places. They have no idea what real food is or how to enjoy it at home.

    The last time I had to manage human workers, many of them would leave at lunch time and spend everything they had made all morning buying crap at come chain food place.

    Recently, someone gave me a bribe, um, gift card for Panera Bread. I hadn’t been to one since my wife and I grabbed lunch at one out of necessity in downtown Denver. Well, we discovered, via several free visits, that their menu really consists of a cleverly designed formula with about 3 or 4 basic kinds of sandwiches and salads, each variation priced at or around 10 bucks.

    Now, if you can find yourself a real delicatessen, you can have them make you any one of a hundred beautiful sandwiches. You will not find a Reuben at Panera Bread, and the mouth breathers behind the counter will not know what one is, but go to a deli and you can have one, or a pastrami on rye, or anything else. AND it will cost you less than Panera Bread.

    Chipotle was a similar experience when we decided to try it. I remember basically two pails of slop sunk behind the counter, and left-curve kids ladling into bowls. No wonder so many people have gotten sick, and so much news consists of “still more customers hunch over in agony after eating at Chipotle.”

    When your wife is an excellent cook, and when you work as her sous-chef, you realize how little is really offered, at a high price, by chains like those.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Buzz Mohawk

    My wife was having a craving for a certain salad at Panera during the first trimester of pregnancy, so we had to go there maybe five times to get it for her. After the second, I refused to order any food for myself or our three year old from them. That place is a huge rip off. The places that only sell salads seem even worse, somehow they manage to get people to pay even higher prices than Panera for two bucks worth of food.

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Buzz Mohawk

    if you can find yourself a real delicatessen

    There's the rub.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Stan Adams
    @Buzz Mohawk

    My old favorite haunt - a hole-in-the-wall diner - used to serve an excellent Reuben, featuring the best corned beef this side of Miami Beach. But since the onset of the Coronapocalypse, the quality of the food has declined even as the prices have increased.



    In early 2020, the $10 lunch special got you a sandwich, a side, and a drink; nowadays $15 will get you a sandwich and a side. With coffee, tax, and tip the tab goes over $20, and that's just not worth it.

    The seventysomething owner has always been crusty - he was born in Europe and raised in New York - but now he's downright unpleasant. He used to have a dedicated cashier - a sweet older lady - to handle the breakfast and lunch crowds, allowing him to sleep off his daily hangover. But she retired during the pandemic. So now he has to man the register himself, 6 a.m. to 3 p.m., seven days a week. It's obvious that he doesn't want to be there. He takes his frustrations out on his employees and some of his customers. (He sucks up to people he's trying to impress; he treats everyone else like dirt.)

    He does have one endearing feature: he has no tolerance for leftism. After a drink or two (and a furtive glance over his shoulder) he'll tell you quite directly what he really thinks of black people.

    The last time the conversation veered in this direction, I joked, "You know, if I really wanted to screw you over, all I'd have to do is take a video of you saying these things and send it to CNN. The mobs would be burning this place down within 15 minutes." He laughed, uneasily.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I'm the chief hash slinger at home and it's easy to see why the Restaurant Impossible guy reckons that food costs of 25% of menu price is readily do-able.

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "Now, if you can find yourself a real delicatessen"

    Every American should visit Canter's Deli on Fairfax in Los Angeles, in the same way every American should visit the Grand Canyon, cruise New York Harbor, and watch the sun rise in Las Vegas at least once. (If you don't know what happens at sunrise on the Vegas strip, I'm not going to tell you.)

  16. Damn Jonathan Neman I say . Steve , Pokemon points are administered by body weight and fat girls always get an extra Pokemon point from the donut .

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  17. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So (...) that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?
     
    You saying there some sorta fats domino effect?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @donut, @Mr. Peabody, @TomSchmidt, @Almost Missouri, @Hangnail Hans, @Paul Jolliffe, @Escher

    I hear ya knockin’.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mr. Peabody

    Or tokin'.

    I wonder if legalization of weed made fatsodemic worse. All those extra munchies.

  18. [Seventy-eight percent] of hospitalizations due to COVID are Obese and Overweight people.

    69% of Americans are overweight or obese. There’s correlation there, but not as strong as he thinks.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Batman

    The fact that obesity, hypertension and ‘metabolic disease’ are shown separately in the CDC data is evidence that the taxonomy of comorbidities is FUBAR.

    The other ‘leg’ of the metabolic syndrome stool - diabetes - does not appear in the CDC data. Given the extremely tight linkage between obesity and type II diabetes (or at the very least hyperinsulinaemia) it is simply not believable that obesity is a useful correlate with hospitalisation, but diabetes is not.

    The other thing that really needs to be established, is the extent to which COVID-19 is not a ‘front door’ diagnosis: more than half of all COVID-19 cases in UK hospitals are people who were initially admitted for some other condition, and then tested positive for SARS-nCoV-2. (I’m not at my desk machine right now, the UK data is discussed in detail in the “John Dee’s Almanac” group on Facebook - oddly, still not banned).

  19. suggesting that obesity is the “root cause” of health problems

    Which way is the arrow of causality pointing? I’d bet that health problems, like inflammation from HFCS and crap cheap carbs, are the root cause of obesity. Obesity is a good rule of thumb indicator of underlying health problems.

    No wonder he got slammed for a suggestion that is, at base, correct. Cut out the refined foods, especially carbs and you’ll become healthier with less inflammation. You’ll also lose weight as your body becomes able to process the toxins as it has stored in fat, and as it has no need to store new toxins in fat.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @Professional Slav
    @TomSchmidt

    No matter the state of inflammation, your body will not break the first law of thermodynamics. So the root cause is indeed massive overeating by our fellow American fats. Spare me the "I know a guy who is a hamplanet but eats only lettuce with water" genetics anectode.

    Replies: @Peterike

    , @Travis
    @TomSchmidt

    good point. Poor diets with too many carbs increase inflammation and weight gain. Being obese also increases inflammation. It is near impossible to become obese if you restrict your carbs. You also need to reduce the consumption of omega 6 fats found in seed oils and vegetable oils. Increase your consumption of saturated fats found in eggs, milk, coconut oil and meat.

  20. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So (...) that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?
     
    You saying there some sorta fats domino effect?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @donut, @Mr. Peabody, @TomSchmidt, @Almost Missouri, @Hangnail Hans, @Paul Jolliffe, @Escher

    We need an arrrgh button!

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @TomSchmidt


    We need an arrrgh button!
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/minneapolis-happy-days-are-here-again/#comment-4124024 (#34)

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-seven-billion/#comment-2438248 (#272)

    , @the one they call Desanex
    @TomSchmidt


    We need an arrrgh button!
     
    Check your spelling. The Official Scrabble Players Dictionary allows aargh, aarrgh, and aarrghh. (I once made a bingo in Scrabble with the word aarrghh, using a blank tile as one of the aitches.)

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  21. @Achmed E. Newman

    We clearly have no problem with government overreach on how we live our lives all in the name of ‘health,’” he wrote. “What if we made the food that is making us sick illegal? What if we taxed processed food and refined sugar to pay for the impact of the pandemic? What if we incentivized health?”
     
    Speak for yourself, salad boy! We clearly DO have a problem with government overreach on how we live our lives in the name of ... ANYTHING., if I could please include me in this we.

    Being far from NY City, Bloomberg's nanny-statism didn't affect me, but it was more sickening than a 64 oz Big Gulp to the health of a free society. Michael Bloomberg is a threat to a free society.

    That is not to say I don't agree that a lower obesity rate would not be a good thing for individuals and this country. Rather than worry about the Kung Flu, really fat people ought to be worried about Diabetes. It is a BAD disease and has been one of the most common causes of early deaths (not to mention amputations).

    I don't think I like anyone involved in that whole article, on either side.

    .

    BTW, 10 or 15 bucks for a salad? My wife puts together all kinds of healthy vegetables - usually 1.25 lb. worth just for my share, for 1/3 of that money. I'm guessing the atmosphere at Sweetgreen is not as fun as What-a-burger either.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TomSchmidt, @SunBakedSuburb, @Buffalo Joe, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Being far from NY City, Bloomberg’s nanny-statism didn’t affect me, but it was more sickening than a 64 oz Big Gulp to the health of a free society. Michael Bloomberg is a threat to a free society.

    Not knowing your comment history by heart, AEN, I have to ask: are you in favor of legalizing cocaine and heroin (Cocaine is actually legal and can be obtained with Prescription. So maybe I mean decriminalizing.)?

    The food companies know exactly how addictive things like salt sugar and fat are. You can read the book of that name if you want to get some of the science that went into this. Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm. Why shouldn’t it be banned? Or at least licensed?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @TomSchmidt

    With all due respect, you are full of Scheiße.

    Comments like yours are one of the reasons why simpletons like me tremble in fear of the rapidly encroaching totalitarianism/communism.

    I have news for you: Practically everything is "addictive." If you want to know more, and since you like to lean on books, here is a recommendation, a classic:

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/110490.From_Chocolate_to_Morphine


    https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1389559197l/110490.jpg


    There is a certain, disturbing phenomenon here, and that is the tendency of commenters like you to recommend state control of individual behavior.

    Sure, some things are dangerous, and there are less-intrusive ways of helping and perhaps, if absolutely necessary, to regulate them. However, all of that depends on WHO/WHOM. WHO is doing the regulating, and WHOM are they controlling? The authors of The Constitution understood this, but civics education is so poor now that nobody under 60 even understands this.

    Chocolate is "addictive" and "mind-altering." So is coffee. Shall we give our overlords the power to limit our consumption of those things as well?

    Here is a little tidbit for you: Hardly any "mind-altering" substance you have been programmed to fear is as dangerous as you have been told it is. Have you ever tried one?

    If you really want to control how people consume "dangerous" substances, then why don't you try controlling their consumption of alcohol?

    Hmm?

    It was tried, and it failed miserably. Some things are not the domain of government, and some things in life are just crappy. Deal with it, and stop looking for a nanny.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @TomSchmidt

    , @Sparkon
    @TomSchmidt

    You mentioned high fructose corn syrup, but not a word about the artificial sweeteners like Aspartame, which in my view are a very strong candidate for being the underlying cause of the obesity epidemic, along with a host of other health issues.

    Aspartame seems to mute the satiety signal, so people don't feel full and keep on gobbling. Aspartame promotes the growth of harmful gut bacteria, which not only kill off the beneficial gut bacteria, but also cause inflammation.

    In the early 1980s, during the Reagan presidency, towering A-hole Donald Rumsfeld played a key role in getting Aspartame approved for human consumption even though studies showed it caused tumors in mice.


    The FDA’s own toxicologist, Dr. Adrian Gross told Congress that without a shadow of a doubt, aspartame can cause brain tumors and brain cancer and that it violated the Delaney Amendment, which forbids putting anything in food that is known to cause cancer. According to the top doctors and researchers on this issue, aspartame causes headache, memory loss, seizures, vision loss, coma and cancer. It worsens or mimics the symptoms of such diseases and conditions as fibromyalgia, MS, lupus, ADD, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, chronic fatigue and depression. Further dangers highlighted is that aspartame liberates free methyl alcohol. The resulting chronic methanol poisoning affects the dopamine system of the brain causing addiction. Methanol, or wood alcohol, constitutes one third of the aspartame molecule and is classified as a severe metabolic poison and narcotic. How’s that Diet Coke treating you now?
     
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-rumsfeld-and-the-s_b_805581

    Replies: @Polistra, @John Johnson

    , @Veteran Aryan
    @TomSchmidt


    The food companies know exactly how addictive things like salt sugar and fat are. You can read the book of that name if you want to get some of the science that went into this. Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm. Why shouldn’t it be banned? Or at least licensed?
     
    Looking forward to your treatise on air and water.
    , @Jack D
    @TomSchmidt


    Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm.
     
    No, it's not addictive in the sense that opiates are addictive. You can't overdose on sugar the way you can overdose on opiates. You are just playing word games.

    The MOST healthy thing would be for the governments to strictly prescribe our diet. Each day they would deliver to you 3 packets of human chow in convenient liquid form. Each packet would be sugar and sodium free and contain all the necessary vitamins and minerals needed to support life and the correct number of calories needed. The sale of all other food and drink would be prohibited - that would interfere with your balanced diet. It would also be illegal to grow your own food, which might interfere with the prescribed diet - you could be sneaking orange juice or honey on the side. BTW, orange juice has the same amount of sugar per ounce as Coca Cola.

    I can guarantee to you that under such a scheme, public health would be GREATLY enhanced. Diabetes would go way down. So would Covid, heart disease and many other diseases. Life expectancy would skyrocket.

    STILL, I wouldn't be in favor of this - it is contrary to what it means to live in a free country, where the government should stay out of our business (even if it is for "our own good") to the maximum extent possible and only intervene in the most serious cases with the potential for immediate bodily harm - people who are selling fentanyl, etc. What you are recommending is only a slightly less rigorous version of the same thing.

    If there is anything that we have learned from the Covid mess, it is not to trust our "elites". In case you haven't noticed, the government's dietary advice has changed over the years. Palm oil is really bad for you - let's take it out of baked goods. Never mind, it's really good and the transfats that we were pushing as substitutes (thanks for that campaign contribution P&G) are bad. Please put the palm oil back. Most of our leaders, if you got to know them personally, are not people you would trust with babysitting your dog for the weekend (Biden's dog likes to bite people). The last thing on earth I would want is to let these people dictate what I eat.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason, @Anonymous Jew, @TomSchmidt

    , @anon
    @TomSchmidt

    yes. the only drugs which shouldn't be sold at goverment run dispensaries at a discount to anything private are opiates/opioids and tobacco. because overdose on all other drugs is rare and tobacco is carcinogenic. addiction is a symptom of a shitty society. it's not the drug, it's the society. if you have a good reason to stop using, you stop. being arrested or homeless are not good reasons. see johann hari. but punitive taxes on all restaurants is just good taste.

  22. @Buzz Mohawk

    Government officials, he added, should ban or tax unhealthy food.
     
    ALARM. RED FLAG.

    This is never the solution. Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake. Yes, sometimes it is a necessary evil, which is why we have laws against things commonly known to be bad, like murder, whereas eating a Snickers bar should not be punishable by extra tax...


    ... just because some purveyor of overpriced greens says so. BTW, he is in the carbohydrate business.

    There are plenty of skinny people who drink Coke, munch snacks and never get fat. There is a lot more to this story than "Eat salads or pay tax, prole!" If anything, it was the government's idiotic food pyramid that made America fat by emphasizing carb consumption over protein...

    ... and completely ignoring the superior effects EXERCISE has on health and body fat content.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @slumber_j, @millenial, @Jack D, @res, @HA, @Half Canadian

    Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake.

    You’re absolutely right. The government has no business legislating murder and rape.

  23. @TomSchmidt
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    We need an arrrgh button!

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @the one they call Desanex

  24. More exercise, less carbohydrates and sugar and more animal proteins and fat would solve the obesity pandemic ( am I allowed to use the word”pandemic here, Dr Fauci?). Eating salads alone won’t work. A steak and a salad, yes.

  25. Two thoughts…

    One…everyone has to learn to manage their body type…ectomorph, mesomorph, or endomorph, which are either a curse or a gift, depending on your point of view, from your parents…100% genetic.

    Also, exercise has little to do with weight and obesity. That is almost entirely about what and how much one eats. Exercise goes to fitness and health, yes, but not so much weight.

    Two…the ‘body positivity’ thing has been, and will continue to be, disastrous with regard to any attempt to get people to take responsibility for their own health choices. It is basically an easy out for fat people.

    Losing weight, getting back into shape after years of slack behavior, and then maintaining, is unbelievably difficult to do. It requires changing years, if not decades of bad habits…and it requires incredible dedication, as all gains are incremental and minute from day to day.

    People love to assume and posture that healthy and fit people “are just born that way”, when in actuality, it requires dedication, structure, and discipline. Sure, it is easier for some, and more difficult for others, but again, that usually boils down to body type, and we all need to have realistic expectations of the end results based on that.

    Finally, it requires that one actually CARE about one’s own health, and I think that is terribly lacking today…again the ‘body positivity’ thing is an out, as well as it tells people that they are just ‘great’ no matter how fat they are. Well, maybe you are great, but you’re not healthy.

    I remember being at the optometrist years ago, and as I was waiting for the doc I could hear a conversation from the next room where the doctor was pleading, and I do mean pleading, with the patient to do this or that or they would surely continue to lose their visual faculties. Curious, I wandered down the hall past the room and took a glance…young morbidly obese black women, maybe mid-twenties sitting on exam table while doctor was standing right next to her. She had her head turned away from him buried in her phone…absolutely ignoring him while he was trying to counsel her out of GOING BLIND…and she couldn’t give two shits about it.

    I’ll never forget it…was probably a decade ago, and I remember it like it was yesterday…

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Calvin Hobbes
    @Leo D


    Curious, I wandered down the hall past the room and took a glance…young morbidly obese black women, maybe mid-twenties sitting on exam table while doctor was standing right next to her. She had her head turned away from him buried in her phone…absolutely ignoring him while he was trying to counsel her out of GOING BLIND…and she couldn’t give two shits about it.
     
    When blacks need an excuse for ignoring medical advice, they say “Tuskegee Experiment”.

    Though some will say “Tuskegee Airmen”, thinking that the Tuskegee Airmen must have been the subjects in the Tuskegee Experiment.

    The Tuskegee Experiment is an example of what Steve calls Antiquarianism, with claims of its current relevance growing even as the “Experiment” recedes into the distant past.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    , @Spect3r
    @Leo D

    "People love to assume and posture that healthy and fit people “are just born that way”, when in actuality, it requires dedication, structure, and discipline. "

    Sorry, but no.
    I never exercised in my life, even at school on PE i only ever did the bare minimum for the teachers not to fail me. Since i left school, 23 years ago, i have never exercised, did any sport, i dont even go swim at the beach in the summer.

    However, i am incredibly healthy and in shape and i never cared one bit about doing a "healthy diet".
    More than anything you mentioned, your own metabolism is what has the most impact on how you are.

  26. Outlaw junk food? Yeah he’s a salad shill but that is rucking fetarded.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Sick of Orcs

    It's funny that 'diet' is almost synonymous with 'not eat'.

    Diet means food but has come to mean do-not-eat or eat-less in the late modern context.

    In the past when food was scarce or costly, the economics kept one's diet responsible.

    But with availability of so much cheap food, there aren't any external restrictions on one's eating habits. Even poor people can eat a lot of food. So, the restrictions must be internal, personally enforced.

    That would be easier in a shame culture, but with the rise of shameless youth culture, black culture, homosexual culture, and tattoo culture, it's anything goes when it comes to appetites and indulgences.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs

  27. @Achmed E. Newman

    So maybe a lot of white women are enthusiastic about black women being recently idealized as the epitome of beauty because they sense that if sometimes comes to adore 190 pound black women that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?
     
    That theory only goes as far as the first guy that doesn't look at them. A big part of women's lives has to do with getting men to look at them a certain way. A girl can rationalize that it's perfectly fine that she's ballooned out right up until she leaves the house and doesn't have any guys looking at any specific parts of her body.

    It's hard to fool Mother Nature. They tried it with margarine in the 1970s. They got a few good decades of sales, but ...

    As far as black women getting down to 190 lb., good on 'em!

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Old Prude, @R.G. Camara

    Funny you mentioned women wanting looks, Achmed. Main complaint of the middle aged and fat chick is, they’re “invisible”. In stores, invisible. On the other hand, IN the office, don’t you dare look. Or be the wrong guy to look, especially.

  28. Why do black males seem to like heavier white women?

    • Replies: @Peterike
    @S Johnson

    “ Why do black males seem to like heavier white women?”

    Because black men will have sex with anything, and fat white women are stupid enough to support them.

  29. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So (...) that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?
     
    You saying there some sorta fats domino effect?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @donut, @Mr. Peabody, @TomSchmidt, @Almost Missouri, @Hangnail Hans, @Paul Jolliffe, @Escher

    Nah, it’s just that fat people aren’t pulling their weight in society.

  30. Is there a obesity/IQ correlation? It seems like most fat people fall into the stupid category. (And are crazy, because they have to rationalize what they’re doing to themselves.)

    Or does fat make you stupid?

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @Carol


    Is there a obesity/IQ correlation?
     
    Yes, there is an obesity/IQ correlation - just as there is a smoking/IQ correlation and a religiosity/IQ correlation.

    Turns out that higher g leads to better outcomes over a range of decisions with long-tailed consequences (and yes, there are long-tailed consequences to entrusting your future to an imaginary sky wizard). Higher IQ enables a more epistemic (fact-based) and less doxastic (belief-based) life.

    None of this should come as a surprise: it should be expected a priori.
    , @res
    @Carol

    Not only is there a correlation, but it appears the direction of causality is IQ -> obesity.

    Intelligence and obesity: which way does the causal direction go?
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25102406/

    Abstract


    Purpose of review: The negative association between intelligence and obesity has been well established, but the direction of causality is unclear. The present review surveys the recent studies on the topic with both cross-sectional and longitudinal data in an attempt to establish causality.

    Recent findings: Most studies in the area employ cross-sectional data and conclude (without empirical justification) that obesity causes intellectual impairment. The few studies that employ prospectively longitudinal data, however, uniformly conclude that lower intelligence leads to BMI gains and obesity. A close examination of three such studies, from three different nations (Sweden, New Zealand, and the UK), leaves little doubt that the causality runs from low intelligence to obesity.

    Summary: The conclusion in previous studies that obesity impairs cognitive function stems from improper interpretation of a negative association between intelligence and obesity from cross-sectional studies. Results from the analyses of high-quality, population-based, prospectively longitudinal data firmly establish that low intelligence increases the chances of obesity.
     
    Article discussing that and other studies.
    http://www.brainblogger.com/2016/10/28/effect-of-obesity-on-human-brain/
  31. @TomSchmidt
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Being far from NY City, Bloomberg’s nanny-statism didn’t affect me, but it was more sickening than a 64 oz Big Gulp to the health of a free society. Michael Bloomberg is a threat to a free society.
     
    Not knowing your comment history by heart, AEN, I have to ask: are you in favor of legalizing cocaine and heroin (Cocaine is actually legal and can be obtained with Prescription. So maybe I mean decriminalizing.)?

    The food companies know exactly how addictive things like salt sugar and fat are. You can read the book of that name if you want to get some of the science that went into this. Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm. Why shouldn't it be banned? Or at least licensed?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Sparkon, @Veteran Aryan, @Jack D, @anon

    With all due respect, you are full of Scheiße.

    Comments like yours are one of the reasons why simpletons like me tremble in fear of the rapidly encroaching totalitarianism/communism.

    I have news for you: Practically everything is “addictive.” If you want to know more, and since you like to lean on books, here is a recommendation, a classic:

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/110490.From_Chocolate_to_Morphine

    There is a certain, disturbing phenomenon here, and that is the tendency of commenters like you to recommend state control of individual behavior.

    Sure, some things are dangerous, and there are less-intrusive ways of helping and perhaps, if absolutely necessary, to regulate them. However, all of that depends on WHO/WHOM. WHO is doing the regulating, and WHOM are they controlling? The authors of The Constitution understood this, but civics education is so poor now that nobody under 60 even understands this.

    Chocolate is “addictive” and “mind-altering.” So is coffee. Shall we give our overlords the power to limit our consumption of those things as well?

    Here is a little tidbit for you: Hardly any “mind-altering” substance you have been programmed to fear is as dangerous as you have been told it is. Have you ever tried one?

    If you really want to control how people consume “dangerous” substances, then why don’t you try controlling their consumption of alcohol?

    Hmm?

    It was tried, and it failed miserably. Some things are not the domain of government, and some things in life are just crappy. Deal with it, and stop looking for a nanny.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, 3g4me
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “Griefs upon griefs! Disappointments upon disappointments. What then? This is a gay, merry world notwithstanding.”

    Life isn't fun if you don't get to live it. Anybody who has been clinically depressed understands that you don't feel sad inside, you feel lifeless, an absence, a muffled sensation against even pain. And that's the grey, smiley future they want. The schoolmarms who stand on the perches of American culture want nothing more than to suck the fun out of life. And that's why I'm hopeful they'll fail, despite everything. The human spirit-and especially the American spirit-can't be kept down. The only question is how much damage is done before then. But I'm not naive enough to assume that anything is predetermined.

    That's the problem, isn't it? My generation has been guided by mother hens all our lives, and people act shocked when we're dysfunctional. It's up to us to fix it. I've managed (managing) to, so I suspect most people can. But the first step to fixing a problem is understanding what it is and why it came. It's not going to happen unless we publicly recognize how poisonous the culture of "safety-ism" is. You can even tie that into a lot of our policy dysfunction.

    Some people (like me) just have extreme personalities, and one of the downsides to that is a potential predisposition to addiction. I'm pretty sure this has a genetic component to it, observing my family, nuclear and extended. Rather than trying to be something that you aren't, harnessing these tendencies and making them productive is not just better for your health. It's far more rewarding, for you and for those around you. My relations who had positive end stories were the ones who did.

    >Get off your ass and do something. Ingest whatever you want, and by God, enjoy it!

    Some shows are worth the cost of admission, and that includes not being obese.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Buzz Mohawk

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Sure, some things are dangerous, and there are less-intrusive ways of helping and perhaps, if absolutely necessary, to regulate them. However, all of that depends on WHO/WHOM. WHO is doing the regulating, and WHOM are they controlling? The authors of The Constitution understood this, but civics education is so poor now that nobody under 60 even understands this.
     
    The authors of the constitution were working in society that was largely decentralized, with no large power block in control of the whole country. Of course, much of the impetus behind doing the constitution came as a result of Shays rebellion in Massachusetts. There was also a cabal desiring to buy essentially defaulted state war bonds for pennies on the dollar, and then have a way to have them paid off by a federal government.

    That cabal, or at least that idea, has continue to this day. The constitution has created and enables large on accountable organizations, including federal and state governments, and multinational corporation's. At the same time, many of the civil rights changes in the 1960s have prevented groups from acting in a cohesive fashion. As a result, we have a situation where organizations like Purdue Pharma and Kraft can pursue science that works on the way that the human brain is put together, target individual isolated customers, sell them products that will generate "profit" while turning them into either opiate or sugar slaves, And use their money and influence over that far to centralized powerful federal government put together by the constitution to ensure that there is no challenge to their authority or ability to convert valuable human life into profit by pushing cheap commodities in place of life years.

    You're absolutely right: it's about who/whom. In this case, the constitutional liberal democratic republic has led to a situation where the tools of the government had become a weapon to be used against the people. We don't need to go into the entirety of that here, but you're commenting at Steve Siler site, so you know a lot of it. It would be better if there were no centralized control that someone could seize control of and do things like push national policies that pay $30,000 if you put somebody with Covid on a ventilator. If individual states do something that stupid, the damage is limited. If the federal government comes up with the food pyramid that pushes carbs then we're all going to suffer the consequences. The food companies didn't come up with the food pyramid, but they didFigure out how to use it to put more sugar, salt, and sometimes fat into their food to increase sales. And "profits."

    But those profits aren't real profits. Those profits are the kinds of profits you get from burning down a forest to get the ashes to create potash; they're not the result of entrepreneurial discovery. They are the result of taking cash from people and transferring sickness bills to them (and to Medicare and Medicaid). That's where a government MIGHT step in,if it weren't in on the grift. Ours is, so don't expect anything to change at present.


    Chocolate is “addictive” and “mind-altering.” So is coffee. Shall we give our overlords the power to limit our consumption of those things as well?

    Here is a little tidbit for you: Hardly any “mind-altering” substance you have been programmed to fear is as dangerous as you have been told it is. Have you ever tried one?

    If you really want to control how people consume “dangerous” substances, then why don’t you try controlling their consumption of alcohol?
     
    The sugar in chocolate is more addicting. No one is over consuming 99% cacao dark. As to caffeine, I've cut back and don't consume it after 10am; the effects on sleep have been positive, but that was a matter of reading the science about half-life in the body. Would I ban it? No, because I can imagine times I might need to affect sleep cycles to stay awake.

    One good thing about Prohibition: it was done constitutionally, as if that were required. Not much other good came out of it, but it did reduce many of the stresses that alcohol creates on society. Were those reductions in stresses worth it? Well, not when we needed tax revenue to fund the Federal government, and alcohol taxes from a repealed Prohibition appealed, not public health.

    When you use the word overlords, you're recognizing that there are people who have captured the same power of the federal government to pursue their own ends. They pursue the interests of profits in their artificial printed federal dollars. The decisions that get made are entirely in the direction of the money paid to the federal representatives; you, individually, have no interest or influence with your representative. The relative study here is by Gillens at Princeton. The point being: the overlords are already using their power to direct us down pathways that are mostly not healthy. Purdue Pharma. Kraft. General foods. Do you at a minimum support taking away the power that they're using?

    The data on the negative health effects of smoking or uncontroversial. Unquestioned. Bloomberg made a move to ban smoking in New York City restaurants, but not for individuals in their own homes. This was to prevent public health costs that result from smoking. I think the science of secondhand smoke is mostly largely nonsense, but I think Bloomberg's target was the first hand smokers, and saving their lives. The people trying to encourage smoking or tobacco executives who swore before Congress that nicotine was not addictive.

    Do you think nicotine is addictive? They were paid and made a lot of money to pretend that it was not, even though their own scientists contradicted that.

    Philip Morris, a large tobacco company, that learned about the science of using addiction to sell more products, Quickly became a company that had more revenue coming from food, having bought General Foods and Kraft. Do you think they abandoned their old tricks?

    Look, I'm coming from a past of absolute opposition to anything like what I've written here. I'm pretty sure I know that wielding the sword of power against my enemies means that I've legitimized its use against myself. Also, that the credibility of the federal government has been completely flushed down the toilet, especially with the absolute ignoring of science, and use of mandates, especially those for public health. There's clearly a public health justification for preventing the spreadSerious illnesses; what is that justifies lockdowns Covid is a different question. It'll have to be a scientific question. Unfortunately, it's become a political question, and when you mix politics and science, you get politics.

    Of course we haven't had politics for a long time. Maybe we need to

    Replies: @Too Long Didn't Read

  32. Vaccines and masks won’t save us from the pandemic, Jonathan Neman wrote

    What makes Jews so good at business? What are the relevant talents, attributes, skills? How much of it is marketing genius versus other abilities?

  33. Don’t ban junk food that’s sizist. Ban Gymnasiums and Nutrisystem

  34. @Buzz Mohawk

    Government officials, he added, should ban or tax unhealthy food.
     
    ALARM. RED FLAG.

    This is never the solution. Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake. Yes, sometimes it is a necessary evil, which is why we have laws against things commonly known to be bad, like murder, whereas eating a Snickers bar should not be punishable by extra tax...


    ... just because some purveyor of overpriced greens says so. BTW, he is in the carbohydrate business.

    There are plenty of skinny people who drink Coke, munch snacks and never get fat. There is a lot more to this story than "Eat salads or pay tax, prole!" If anything, it was the government's idiotic food pyramid that made America fat by emphasizing carb consumption over protein...

    ... and completely ignoring the superior effects EXERCISE has on health and body fat content.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @slumber_j, @millenial, @Jack D, @res, @HA, @Half Canadian

    … and completely ignoring the superior effects EXERCISE has on health and body fat content.

    Right, and particularly more explosive stuff and weight training. Public-heath officialdom’s emphasis on cardiovascular exercise is the equivalent of the food pyramid: take a longish brisk walk, and you’re fine in that department. If you want to control weight and actually feel good, try a little lifting and sprinting–and it doesn’t need to be very much, you don’t need to get ripped or whatever. It’s boring, but so is everything, and at least it doesn’t last very long.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @slumber_j

    "It’s boring, but so is everything"

    Heh heh. You could publish that as, "Samuel Beckett for Dummies".

    Replies: @slumber_j

    , @Anon
    @slumber_j


    Public-heath officialdom’s emphasis on cardiovascular exercise is the equivalent of the food pyramid: take a longish brisk walk, and you’re fine in that department.
     
    Are you saying that brisk walks don’t do much good?

    Replies: @slumber_j

    , @3g4me
    @slumber_j

    @34 slumber _i: Do you seriously find lifting 'boring'? It's cardio that bores me, but I do it because it warms up all my muscles and it's good for my heart, and it also burns some calories. But it's lifting I enjoy, and unlike 95% of gym goers I don't bring my phone with me and park my backside on a machine or bench and scan the web for 10 minutes between sets. I hustle and rest the minimum, so I get a cardio boost along with my muscular workout. Most women are terrified of lifting more than 10 pounds (and most women over 50 are incapable of doing so) and they generally have terrible technique. The young ones are more about exposing as much skin as possible and flirting with the blacks and browns, and the older ones tend to stick to group classes or walking on the treadmill. About 75% of the people in the gym are essentially wasting their time or there for no purpose directly related to improving their health and/or appearance. But then, most people are idiots, and that applies everywhere and always.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  35. @TomSchmidt

    suggesting that obesity is the “root cause” of health problems
     
    Which way is the arrow of causality pointing? I'd bet that health problems, like inflammation from HFCS and crap cheap carbs, are the root cause of obesity. Obesity is a good rule of thumb indicator of underlying health problems.

    No wonder he got slammed for a suggestion that is, at base, correct. Cut out the refined foods, especially carbs and you'll become healthier with less inflammation. You'll also lose weight as your body becomes able to process the toxins as it has stored in fat, and as it has no need to store new toxins in fat.

    Replies: @Professional Slav, @Travis

    No matter the state of inflammation, your body will not break the first law of thermodynamics. So the root cause is indeed massive overeating by our fellow American fats. Spare me the “I know a guy who is a hamplanet but eats only lettuce with water” genetics anectode.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Peterike
    @Professional Slav

    “ No matter the state of inflammation, your body will not break the first law of thermodynamics. ”

    But all calories are not equal. Not even close.

  36. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Achmed E. Newman


    BTW, 10 or 15 bucks for a salad? My wife puts together all kinds of healthy vegetables – usually 1.25 lb. worth just for my share, for 1/3 of that money.
     
    Apparently there is a whole economy of morons who buy lunch and/or dinner at these places. They have no idea what real food is or how to enjoy it at home.

    The last time I had to manage human workers, many of them would leave at lunch time and spend everything they had made all morning buying crap at come chain food place.

    Recently, someone gave me a bribe, um, gift card for Panera Bread. I hadn't been to one since my wife and I grabbed lunch at one out of necessity in downtown Denver. Well, we discovered, via several free visits, that their menu really consists of a cleverly designed formula with about 3 or 4 basic kinds of sandwiches and salads, each variation priced at or around 10 bucks.

    Now, if you can find yourself a real delicatessen, you can have them make you any one of a hundred beautiful sandwiches. You will not find a Reuben at Panera Bread, and the mouth breathers behind the counter will not know what one is, but go to a deli and you can have one, or a pastrami on rye, or anything else. AND it will cost you less than Panera Bread.

    Chipotle was a similar experience when we decided to try it. I remember basically two pails of slop sunk behind the counter, and left-curve kids ladling into bowls. No wonder so many people have gotten sick, and so much news consists of "still more customers hunch over in agony after eating at Chipotle."

    When your wife is an excellent cook, and when you work as her sous-chef, you realize how little is really offered, at a high price, by chains like those.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Peter Akuleyev, @Stan Adams, @Bill Jones, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    My wife was having a craving for a certain salad at Panera during the first trimester of pregnancy, so we had to go there maybe five times to get it for her. After the second, I refused to order any food for myself or our three year old from them. That place is a huge rip off. The places that only sell salads seem even worse, somehow they manage to get people to pay even higher prices than Panera for two bucks worth of food.

  37. If I am overweight and then go on a diet and successfully lose weight, does that make me a traitor to my people?

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Joe Magarac

    Yes, and your people will actively try to sabotage you. See: The Lobster Effect.

    , @Rosie
    @Joe Magarac


    If I am overweight and then go on a diet and successfully lose weight, does that make me a traitor to my people?
     
    No, because you have about a 95% chance of gaining it back within a year or two.
  38. Salads aren’t always a healthy food choice as people often pour on massive amounts of oily dressing. That’s one thing that Panera does well, as the dressing is mixed throughout the salad rather than thoughtlessly ladled on top there’s no need to use as much.

    Sweetgreen is no stranger to controversy. In 2017 many politicians and activists blasted it after it stopped accepting cash, requiring all payments to be by credit or debit card. After a couple of years it reversed the policy and resumed taking cash.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @prosa123

    This commenter suspects salads are actually a conspiracy by California lettuce growers, employers of low-paid, Mexican stoop workers. We've all been propagandized into thinking we absolutely must eat a pile of leaves every day, or we will get fat and die of some terrible disease.

    Actually, salads are great (I like them) but they are pure carbohydrates. The only benefits are some slight roughage (better ingested via whole grains like oats) and maybe a few vitamins you already obtain through meats and other foods.

    In other words, salads are pure nothing. Maybe you enjoy them, as I do, but you don't really need them if you have a nice diet anyway, and you certainly don't need to pay that jerk $10 to $15 or whatever for the privilege.

    So many things are scams.

    Replies: @Carol, @Redneck farmer, @Kratoklastes, @Clyde

  39. I couldn’t get past the \$10 to \$15 dollar salad. To save the world, and lessen the bulk, maybe we should teach people how to chop up vegetables. Then move on to actual cooking. Just curious has anyone here eaten these salads? Are they worth the price?

  40. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So (...) that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?
     
    You saying there some sorta fats domino effect?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @donut, @Mr. Peabody, @TomSchmidt, @Almost Missouri, @Hangnail Hans, @Paul Jolliffe, @Escher

    A fat guy could shed a lot of pounds walking to New Orleans.

  41. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So (...) that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?
     
    You saying there some sorta fats domino effect?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @donut, @Mr. Peabody, @TomSchmidt, @Almost Missouri, @Hangnail Hans, @Paul Jolliffe, @Escher

    You’ve taken the (Chubby) checkered flag!

    • Agree: Skyler the Weird
    • Replies: @Skyler the Weird
    @Paul Jolliffe

    Another Domino will fall

  42. Anon[304] • Disclaimer says:

    I heard once that 80 to 90% of black females are overweight or obese. The number is lower in urban areas like New York City and Chicago and the number is close to 95% in places like Mississippi and Georgia.

    So yes, being fat phobic is inherently racist Against Black womxn of color.

  43. @prosa123
    Salads aren't always a healthy food choice as people often pour on massive amounts of oily dressing. That's one thing that Panera does well, as the dressing is mixed throughout the salad rather than thoughtlessly ladled on top there's no need to use as much.

    Sweetgreen is no stranger to controversy. In 2017 many politicians and activists blasted it after it stopped accepting cash, requiring all payments to be by credit or debit card. After a couple of years it reversed the policy and resumed taking cash.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    This commenter suspects salads are actually a conspiracy by California lettuce growers, employers of low-paid, Mexican stoop workers. We’ve all been propagandized into thinking we absolutely must eat a pile of leaves every day, or we will get fat and die of some terrible disease.

    Actually, salads are great (I like them) but they are pure carbohydrates. The only benefits are some slight roughage (better ingested via whole grains like oats) and maybe a few vitamins you already obtain through meats and other foods.

    In other words, salads are pure nothing. Maybe you enjoy them, as I do, but you don’t really need them if you have a nice diet anyway, and you certainly don’t need to pay that jerk \$10 to \$15 or whatever for the privilege.

    So many things are scams.

    • Replies: @Carol
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I like salads too but I don't think the carb content is quite so bad as it is with starchier food like corn and potatoes. Unless you add a lot of junk like croutons, pasta, or cream dressings.

    But it's kind of ironic that such a "healthy" food as romaine has been linked with salmonella and e coli. I mean how toxic can you get?

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Taco salads are a different thing though.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Kratoklastes
    @Buzz Mohawk


    salads are great (I like them) but they are pure carbohydrates
     
    Salads don’t raise blood glucose or elicit an insulin response (e.g., an arugula salad with pine nuts, shaved Reggiano, and a lemon balsamic olive oil vinaigrette). In that sense they are not meaningfully ‘carb’-y; in ‘net carb’ terms (total carbohydrate minus total fiber) salads are so close to zero that they can be ignored.

    OTOH smothering them in store-bought dressings made with omega-6-rich oils (eg seed oils) and sugar (or HFCS) has the adverse consequences typical of SAD - including metabolic dysfunction - but those aren’t caused by the salad.

    Carbohydrate is the enemy of fat loss, because the moment you secrete insulin you switch off lipolysis and switch on lipogenesis (including de novo lipogenesis); my N=1 experiment on blood glucose and ketone tracking made that absolutely clear to me.

    I dropped 25kg (55lb) in 4 months - having decided that being 110kg (242lb @ 18%BF [DEXA]) had lost its usefulness despite otherwise-excellent health and fitness (VO2Max above 50; cycling FTP above 300; 20 body weight dips with ease; all at age 55).

    Now I’ve set my upper threshold at cruiserweight (200lb; 90.7kg @ 12% DEXA) and if I get too close to it I tighten up my diet for a few days. 90.7 is my mnfps (morning, naked, fasted, post-shit) target, and I’m usually under 90.

    18/6 TRE; low-carb; high-protein (animal or otherwise) and a mix of HIIT and MISS (medium-intensity steady state) on my KickR.

    DHA ; EPA; zinc… and during winter, VitD3 10,o00 IU.

    I’ll probably get hit by a bus.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Chrisnonymous

    , @Clyde
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Actually, salads are great (I like them) but they are pure carbohydrates. The only benefits are some slight roughage (better ingested via whole grains like oats) and maybe a few vitamins you already obtain through meats and other foods.
    In other words, salads are pure nothing. Maybe you enjoy them, as I do, but you don’t really need them if you have a nice diet anyway, and you certainly don’t need to pay that jerk 15 or whatever for the privilege.
     
    I get that you are half joking, salads are very refreshing especially in the summer. The carbohydrates in raw vegetables are good for you. Eating two pounds of cooked carrots and potatoes, yeah, those carbs will stick to you. Now go try to eat one pound of raw carrots. Very difficult.
    But the real fun is in juicing. The ultimate is the Norwalk Juicer. Invented by Norman Walker who lived just short 100. His books are easily found

    Norman W. Walker, my third “Health Hero” who was born on January 4, 1886 and died June 6, 1985 at the age 99 years and 5 months. -- https://www.myhdiet.com/healthnews/rev-malkmus/norman-w-walker-juicing-pioneer/
     
    All juice bars use the Norwalk Juicer, it produces veg/fruit juice the fastest. You put the vegs/fruits into the hopper. They get ground into a pulp by a large motor. The juice is then pressed out of the pulp by a hydraulic jack. Here is one on ebay -- https://tinyurl.com/38br6ku9

    Then come twin gear (twin auger) juicers called Green Star and Green Power. This is what I own and use. The pulp comes out very dry. There are many single auger juicers these days, but the pulp that comes out is not as dry as with the twin gear ones. I own a single auger juicer for backup, plus I lend it out.
    btw I am an omnivore not a vegan
    In my book the ultimate juice is juicing an entire bunch/stalk of celery with one lime and some ginger. Start your day with this and you will lose weight. If the ginger and lime are turnoffs then omit them.
    Czech it out!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mTRitFttN4
  44. @Buzz Mohawk
    @prosa123

    This commenter suspects salads are actually a conspiracy by California lettuce growers, employers of low-paid, Mexican stoop workers. We've all been propagandized into thinking we absolutely must eat a pile of leaves every day, or we will get fat and die of some terrible disease.

    Actually, salads are great (I like them) but they are pure carbohydrates. The only benefits are some slight roughage (better ingested via whole grains like oats) and maybe a few vitamins you already obtain through meats and other foods.

    In other words, salads are pure nothing. Maybe you enjoy them, as I do, but you don't really need them if you have a nice diet anyway, and you certainly don't need to pay that jerk $10 to $15 or whatever for the privilege.

    So many things are scams.

    Replies: @Carol, @Redneck farmer, @Kratoklastes, @Clyde

    I like salads too but I don’t think the carb content is quite so bad as it is with starchier food like corn and potatoes. Unless you add a lot of junk like croutons, pasta, or cream dressings.

    But it’s kind of ironic that such a “healthy” food as romaine has been linked with salmonella and e coli. I mean how toxic can you get?

  45. Outlawing fast food would also greatly slow the immigration tractor beam, at all stages of the supply chain, and by definition eliminate the corporate HQs & their “remote workers” and assorted marketing sharps in NYC and LA.

    Unfortunately it would also take away wages from a lot of excitable young people & depressed lumpenproles.

    There is also some concern about Bill Gates getting into farming, but a person can only panic about so many Illuminati at one time

  46. @TomSchmidt
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Being far from NY City, Bloomberg’s nanny-statism didn’t affect me, but it was more sickening than a 64 oz Big Gulp to the health of a free society. Michael Bloomberg is a threat to a free society.
     
    Not knowing your comment history by heart, AEN, I have to ask: are you in favor of legalizing cocaine and heroin (Cocaine is actually legal and can be obtained with Prescription. So maybe I mean decriminalizing.)?

    The food companies know exactly how addictive things like salt sugar and fat are. You can read the book of that name if you want to get some of the science that went into this. Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm. Why shouldn't it be banned? Or at least licensed?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Sparkon, @Veteran Aryan, @Jack D, @anon

    You mentioned high fructose corn syrup, but not a word about the artificial sweeteners like Aspartame, which in my view are a very strong candidate for being the underlying cause of the obesity epidemic, along with a host of other health issues.

    Aspartame seems to mute the satiety signal, so people don’t feel full and keep on gobbling. Aspartame promotes the growth of harmful gut bacteria, which not only kill off the beneficial gut bacteria, but also cause inflammation.

    In the early 1980s, during the Reagan presidency, towering A-hole Donald Rumsfeld played a key role in getting Aspartame approved for human consumption even though studies showed it caused tumors in mice.

    The FDA’s own toxicologist, Dr. Adrian Gross told Congress that without a shadow of a doubt, aspartame can cause brain tumors and brain cancer and that it violated the Delaney Amendment, which forbids putting anything in food that is known to cause cancer. According to the top doctors and researchers on this issue, aspartame causes headache, memory loss, seizures, vision loss, coma and cancer. It worsens or mimics the symptoms of such diseases and conditions as fibromyalgia, MS, lupus, ADD, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, chronic fatigue and depression. Further dangers highlighted is that aspartame liberates free methyl alcohol. The resulting chronic methanol poisoning affects the dopamine system of the brain causing addiction. Methanol, or wood alcohol, constitutes one third of the aspartame molecule and is classified as a severe metabolic poison and narcotic. How’s that Diet Coke treating you now?

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-rumsfeld-and-the-s_b_805581

    • Thanks: TomSchmidt
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Sparkon

    Is there good science behind the implication of aspartame?

    It's troubling to me since I do ingest my fair share (though no sodas). If Rumsfeld is involved that's doubly troubly. But I'm not quite troubled enough to visit HuffPo.

    Thanks for the quote anyway.

    Replies: @Sparkon

    , @John Johnson
    @Sparkon

    You mentioned high fructose corn syrup, but not a word about the artificial sweeteners like Aspartame, which in my view are a very strong candidate for being the underlying cause of the obesity epidemic

    Not a viable theory since there are third world countries that use regular sugar in their sodas but now have the same obesity problem.

    To understand the obesity problem all you have to do is talk to someone that has worked at a supermarket.

    The fattest people have the worst carts. People that are in shape are not buying 5 pounds of M&Ms.

    Or talk to someone that has worked fast food. Ask how many obese people they get that order a super sized meal but with a diet coke to try and reduce the calories. The diet coke is not the problem.

  47. @Buzz Mohawk
    @prosa123

    This commenter suspects salads are actually a conspiracy by California lettuce growers, employers of low-paid, Mexican stoop workers. We've all been propagandized into thinking we absolutely must eat a pile of leaves every day, or we will get fat and die of some terrible disease.

    Actually, salads are great (I like them) but they are pure carbohydrates. The only benefits are some slight roughage (better ingested via whole grains like oats) and maybe a few vitamins you already obtain through meats and other foods.

    In other words, salads are pure nothing. Maybe you enjoy them, as I do, but you don't really need them if you have a nice diet anyway, and you certainly don't need to pay that jerk $10 to $15 or whatever for the privilege.

    So many things are scams.

    Replies: @Carol, @Redneck farmer, @Kratoklastes, @Clyde

    Taco salads are a different thing though.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Redneck farmer


    Taco salads are a different thing though.
     
    Yes.

    "I love Hispanics."


    https://www.superfoodly.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/trump-taco-salad.jpg

  48. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Achmed E. Newman


    BTW, 10 or 15 bucks for a salad? My wife puts together all kinds of healthy vegetables – usually 1.25 lb. worth just for my share, for 1/3 of that money.
     
    Apparently there is a whole economy of morons who buy lunch and/or dinner at these places. They have no idea what real food is or how to enjoy it at home.

    The last time I had to manage human workers, many of them would leave at lunch time and spend everything they had made all morning buying crap at come chain food place.

    Recently, someone gave me a bribe, um, gift card for Panera Bread. I hadn't been to one since my wife and I grabbed lunch at one out of necessity in downtown Denver. Well, we discovered, via several free visits, that their menu really consists of a cleverly designed formula with about 3 or 4 basic kinds of sandwiches and salads, each variation priced at or around 10 bucks.

    Now, if you can find yourself a real delicatessen, you can have them make you any one of a hundred beautiful sandwiches. You will not find a Reuben at Panera Bread, and the mouth breathers behind the counter will not know what one is, but go to a deli and you can have one, or a pastrami on rye, or anything else. AND it will cost you less than Panera Bread.

    Chipotle was a similar experience when we decided to try it. I remember basically two pails of slop sunk behind the counter, and left-curve kids ladling into bowls. No wonder so many people have gotten sick, and so much news consists of "still more customers hunch over in agony after eating at Chipotle."

    When your wife is an excellent cook, and when you work as her sous-chef, you realize how little is really offered, at a high price, by chains like those.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Peter Akuleyev, @Stan Adams, @Bill Jones, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    if you can find yourself a real delicatessen

    There’s the rub.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Yes.

    That is an American cultural problem, just like the apparent inability to have a relaxing, outdoor cafe in any city or community or streetscape whatsoever.

    Whereas in continental Europe it is the norm

    I will say, however, that delicatessens are commonly available in our region of the US, and in more places across the land. There is a good one in my Colorado home town, which definitely was not there when I grew up. There is simply no reason for people not to patronize them when they are available, as they are here -- and there.

  49. The problem is portion size

    There’s nothing so mind-numbingly awful then being around a Skinny Woman Who Eats Large Portions

    So many fat women are around those Lucky Dogs and say ‘I’m eating the same as them, so it’s not my food’

    There are hot skinny women who Barely Eat. These are the honest ones. My spouse and I have a bunch of jokes about a model we know who posts on social media each time she eats.

    And guess what…if you only eat when she eats…You’d be a Model Too

    At least she’s honest about portion size…even if it is depressing

    The workaround to this is To Spend Serious Money on Food…Serious Money…but Eat Very Little

    My spouse and I have done this and we ended up being under budget on our grocery bills while looking Very Fancy to everyone around us

  50. So maybe a lot of white women are enthusiastic about black women being recently idealized as the epitome of beauty because they sense that if sometimes comes to adore 190 pound black women that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?

    Well, most black women are not great as fitness role models, but can you blame white women for wanting a break from ‘dieting?’

    In my day we didn’t have transgenderism or transracialism as the trendy neuroses for high school girls, we had anorexia and bulimia. Probably 75% of the girls I dated or were friends with claimed to have had one eating disorder or another at various times. And it was by any means necessary; not sure if this is still the case, but smoking was much more popular with girls for this reason. Also diet pills, eating only candy and sweet coffee drinks, that sort of thing.

    These girls were not healthy. Some developed heart problems, problems with their teeth from vomiting all the time, poor muscle tone, etc. They wanted to be a size ‘zero,’ to abnegate their bodies completely.

    ‘Dieting’ meant periods of near-starvation alternating with periods of ‘going off’ the diet: stuffing themselves when their bodies cried out for calories and fat and sustenance, so they could at least begin to ready themselves for the physical ordeal of bearing children.

    Exercise, cardio fitness and strength training, will obviate the need for ‘weight loss’ programs or ‘dieting.’ Get in shape and burn more calories, see the results and develop healthier eating habits. It works. As I get older I’m getting more into cardio and running, which I always thought was kind of a waste of time and too hard on the joints. But it’s actually pretty great, and I’ve shed about 10 pounds I didn’t need without changing my diet at all. Still gotta keep up weight training to keep the bones strong and fool old brother donkey (as St Francis called his body) that we still have work to do before we call it a day.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    "These girls were not healthy."

    Skinny white dog moms are penis deadeners.

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    The scenarios you’re describing sound like they are from the 80s and 90s, 30-40 years ago. Not applicable today. How many women are honestly dieting like that now? How many men are even dieting at all? I just see them guzzling protein powder shakes and standing idly by weight machines at the gym, usually looking 20-30 pounds overweight, albeit with some muscle under the fat layers. I don’t think people are exhausted by dieting, just lazy and want permission to be big and enjoy the immense variety of foods available without restraint. They want to be accepted for being large and are increasingly in denial about BMI. If I had a dollar for everyone who said that BMI wasn’t accurate because it didn’t measure their “muscle” or “big bones” I’d be very rich. Unless someone is an elite athlete under the age of 35, I don’t buy that.

    You’re right that running is great for you. We need to make cardio and dieting “in” again. Just look at how many commenters here are kvetching about the imaginary prospects of losing their burgers. More walkable cities would help, perhaps. I lost 8 pounds over 2 weeks visiting Ireland and Great Britain, and I didn’t even run over there like usual. Just walked and hiked a lot.

  51. @Rob

    “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”
     

    I see this sort of construction more and more. The other day it was about trans athletes, and “why would assigning someone to a category affect their ability?” No. What we are doing is noticing which category they fall into.

    Even “body positivists” cannot stomach calling people fat. Not even in the abstract. I think this is where the “all disparities are caused by discrimination (BadWhites)” is headed. Maybe that was the goal all along.

    Don’t get me wrong. I am sure healthcare providers “underserves” the obese (would that restaurants did the same!) It has to discouraging to be prescribing whatever while thinking “you would not need this drug if you lost 100 pounds.” But healthcare providers are constrained by physical reality. Realistically, a two hundred pound woman cannot exercise. She will do too much wear and tear to her joints, and the exercise will be so unpleasant that she won’t do it twice.

    I think gym class could help, we’re there a sea change in the people who are assigned to the gym teacher category. Too often, whether by design or for the same reason academic classes are humiliating for the dumb, gym class is about shaming nerds and fat kids. Really, the people who most need gym class, because athletes will exercise on their own. I propose segregating gym classes by ability. We do with academic classes, or used to. I am not particularly athletic, which is an understatement. I always had more fun and got more expertise when the good athletes were not there for whatever reason. Unlike academics, which has objective standards, sports are completely relative. Someone always wins. Remember the World Cup, when the alien “French” team won, and non-whites were all proud, and cucks were like, “we were right to give away our futures”? If the French team had not won, then someone else would have. Every single time.

    Sure kids would get made fun off for being in remedial gym. But they’d get some excercise. It might even help the athletic kids. Without nerds to dunk on, athletes would play people closer to their level, and hopefully realize that they are never going to the NBA. A lot of kids would have more realistic goals that way? Maybe not, it’s not like dim, clumsy black kids have lower middle class aspirations. But at least more kids would get a work out.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @res, @anon, @Marty, @Prof. Woland

    The conservative Limbaugh Letter sportsball doofuses rewarded by the Reagan economy for Liars Poker BSD metrics bear a lot of blame for where the nation is today socially. It isn’t just the air-headed women who put us here with their feelings and Montessori garbage. Surrender of standards was vastly accelerated by these LSU and ‘Bama boosters who didn’t care what the machine did so long as they got to position their bucks for TV glory

  52. This kind of idea was pretty mainstream a dozen years ago back when NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg banned Big Gulp sugary drinks at fast food restaurants.

    No, it was not, and Bloomberg paid a heavy price for it by becoming a laughingstock. Mainstream America does not like government policy making on what people can do privately. Otherwise, “mainstream” can compel vaccine shots and be done with Covid. No, “mainstream” values liberty; Yes, even if it costs 1,000 lives per day. A famous man once said:

    …we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  53. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Achmed E. Newman


    BTW, 10 or 15 bucks for a salad? My wife puts together all kinds of healthy vegetables – usually 1.25 lb. worth just for my share, for 1/3 of that money.
     
    Apparently there is a whole economy of morons who buy lunch and/or dinner at these places. They have no idea what real food is or how to enjoy it at home.

    The last time I had to manage human workers, many of them would leave at lunch time and spend everything they had made all morning buying crap at come chain food place.

    Recently, someone gave me a bribe, um, gift card for Panera Bread. I hadn't been to one since my wife and I grabbed lunch at one out of necessity in downtown Denver. Well, we discovered, via several free visits, that their menu really consists of a cleverly designed formula with about 3 or 4 basic kinds of sandwiches and salads, each variation priced at or around 10 bucks.

    Now, if you can find yourself a real delicatessen, you can have them make you any one of a hundred beautiful sandwiches. You will not find a Reuben at Panera Bread, and the mouth breathers behind the counter will not know what one is, but go to a deli and you can have one, or a pastrami on rye, or anything else. AND it will cost you less than Panera Bread.

    Chipotle was a similar experience when we decided to try it. I remember basically two pails of slop sunk behind the counter, and left-curve kids ladling into bowls. No wonder so many people have gotten sick, and so much news consists of "still more customers hunch over in agony after eating at Chipotle."

    When your wife is an excellent cook, and when you work as her sous-chef, you realize how little is really offered, at a high price, by chains like those.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Peter Akuleyev, @Stan Adams, @Bill Jones, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    My old favorite haunt – a hole-in-the-wall diner – used to serve an excellent Reuben, featuring the best corned beef this side of Miami Beach. But since the onset of the Coronapocalypse, the quality of the food has declined even as the prices have increased.

    [MORE]

    In early 2020, the \$10 lunch special got you a sandwich, a side, and a drink; nowadays \$15 will get you a sandwich and a side. With coffee, tax, and tip the tab goes over \$20, and that’s just not worth it.

    The seventysomething owner has always been crusty – he was born in Europe and raised in New York – but now he’s downright unpleasant. He used to have a dedicated cashier – a sweet older lady – to handle the breakfast and lunch crowds, allowing him to sleep off his daily hangover. But she retired during the pandemic. So now he has to man the register himself, 6 a.m. to 3 p.m., seven days a week. It’s obvious that he doesn’t want to be there. He takes his frustrations out on his employees and some of his customers. (He sucks up to people he’s trying to impress; he treats everyone else like dirt.)

    He does have one endearing feature: he has no tolerance for leftism. After a drink or two (and a furtive glance over his shoulder) he’ll tell you quite directly what he really thinks of black people.

    The last time the conversation veered in this direction, I joked, “You know, if I really wanted to screw you over, all I’d have to do is take a video of you saying these things and send it to CNN. The mobs would be burning this place down within 15 minutes.” He laughed, uneasily.

  54. @Buzz Mohawk

    Government officials, he added, should ban or tax unhealthy food.
     
    ALARM. RED FLAG.

    This is never the solution. Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake. Yes, sometimes it is a necessary evil, which is why we have laws against things commonly known to be bad, like murder, whereas eating a Snickers bar should not be punishable by extra tax...


    ... just because some purveyor of overpriced greens says so. BTW, he is in the carbohydrate business.

    There are plenty of skinny people who drink Coke, munch snacks and never get fat. There is a lot more to this story than "Eat salads or pay tax, prole!" If anything, it was the government's idiotic food pyramid that made America fat by emphasizing carb consumption over protein...

    ... and completely ignoring the superior effects EXERCISE has on health and body fat content.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @slumber_j, @millenial, @Jack D, @res, @HA, @Half Canadian

    Why don’t we start by removing corn and soybean subsidies? Maybe use the money to add subsidies for local fruit and vegetable growers instead.

    • Replies: @anon
    @millenial

    Why don’t we start by removing corn and soybean subsidies?

    Sure. Piece of cake. You gonna start the ball rolling? Get your ass to Iowa!

  55. ok everybody!

    You have got to develop the mental discipline to screen out the incessant whinging of hysterical nitwits.

    In the meantime, I wonder if rising food prices are going to get everybody to lose some weight. Weirdly, I kind of like organic grass feed beef costing almost as much as venison, lamb, or salmon.

    Salads remain basically bupkus – unless it is a spinach salad or something along those lines, there is actually very little nutritional value. Fruit salad, that can be high impact nutrition.

    Now if you will excuse me, I have venison burgers, salmon, and Armadillo eggs to grill this weekend.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @theMann

    Sorry; raw spinach can’t be absorbed. So it has no nutritional value whatsoever. Cooked spinach is easily absorbed and is full of iron. Iron needs a bit of vitamin C to activate it. So spinach with a squish of lemon. I love raw spinach salad though.

    In my opinion, the lowest value food in America is a Subway Sandwich. One layer of the thinnest possible slices of meat substitute. A huge pile of industrial quality lettuce disgusting slimy slices of red thing. Other slimy watery slices of icky things. One and 1/2 inches of bread top and bottom. $6 for a small and $9 to $12 for the large size. And you have to look at those containers of disgusting ingredients.

    Best way to lose weight or avoid weight gain is to stop eating Mexican asian and Italian American food. It’s basically rice noodles beans tortillas and egg roll wraps and cheese for the Italian. With a few tablespoons of vegetables and no more than 2 tablespoons of meat scraps. An enchilada plate can have 1500 calories 90 percent carbs. The nutritionists who claim asian food is not fattening because of the little meat large vegetable portions are liars. They forget about the 6 ounces or 800 calories of rice the meat scraps and vegetables are piled on. Plus some egg rolls or more starch.

  56. Social Security will be insolvent in 12 years. Encouraging obesity, poor diets and social distancing will help prolong social security benefits for a few more years before they need to drastically cut benefits. Already we are seeing the benefits with the life expectancy of millennials falling quickly due to increased obesity, drugs, social isolation, etc…

  57. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Buzz Mohawk

    if you can find yourself a real delicatessen

    There's the rub.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Yes.

    That is an American cultural problem, just like the apparent inability to have a relaxing, outdoor cafe in any city or community or streetscape whatsoever.

    Whereas in continental Europe it is the norm

    I will say, however, that delicatessens are commonly available in our region of the US, and in more places across the land. There is a good one in my Colorado home town, which definitely was not there when I grew up. There is simply no reason for people not to patronize them when they are available, as they are here — and there.

  58. 1) Ban booze, sugar, and junk food from your life. This is well over half the battle when it comes to American diets. Once this is done, the other parts get a lot easier, and even if this is all you do, you’ll note progress.

    2) Walk somewhere every day. Get a dog. Walk to lunch or part of the way to work. Walk with your kids or your lady/man if you have them. Whatever. Just do it every day, even if you start small.

    3) Drink water. Increases fat burning rate, curbs hunger pangs.

    All three things of these things should be compatible with any schedule, no matter how busy.

    Do these things *consistently*, month in, month out, and you won’t be obese at the end of the line. Some people are not going to be skinny, no matter what they try: a non-trivial part of that is genetics, so stop worrying. But miles of room between that and accepting obesity.

    Patient steadiness goes way further than explosive intensity that doesn’t last when it comes to fat loss. Everything else you do on top of these three will do nothing more than increase the rate of progress.

    • Thanks: John Regan
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @nebulafox


    1) Ban booze, sugar, and junk food from your life.
     
    Bullshit.

    Get off your ass and do something. Ingest whatever you want, and by God, enjoy it!

    Replies: @everybodyhatesscott, @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @nebulafox

    #24 was in response to you.

    , @Henry's Cat
    @nebulafox


    Drink water. Increases fat burning rate,
     
    What's the theory behind this? Is there meant to be any special quality about water digested in a pure state compared to that found in other beverages or food? Or is it all to do with restricting calories by substitution?
    , @Muggles
    @nebulafox

    I agree with all of your main points.

    Well done!

    One caveat is that there are numerous variables, since everyone is somewhat different.

    a. Your DNA/ethnic makeup. Some are naturally heavier, others skinny.

    b. Age. No one maintains the same rate of metabolism over time (and sometimes also due to illness or injury.) My trainer tells me you need, as a man, about 10% body fat to get those famous "six pack abs." But this percentage may be possible w/o much work at teen years or early 20s. After 30 or so, very difficult. Over sixty, nearly impossible. Your "burn rate" slows down.

    As a result even eating the same food over time will add weight. Also exercise tends to diminish over time as work usually requires sitting or less physical movement

    c. There are some hormones which affect burn rate, which will vary over time and due to other things.

    d. It is hard to eat "the same thing" over time and distances. Foods we ate when young are no longer made the same way, or even digestible due to body development and changes. Allergies, etc. When traveling it is often hard to eat from grocery stores and restaurant meals are high caloric, high fat often. Even different parts of the country have different food choices. Usually the warmer the climate the better the food selection. You also need fewer calories to keep warm.

    It is hard to change habits. I am in better shape, health-wise, than before. It has taken a lot of time to change habits.

    If "dieting" and better eating were easy, it wouldn't be a multi billion dollar industry. All you have to do is eat better and less. Sounds easy but it's not.

    The new fad of fat acceptance (beyond healthy) is another racist trope. Diabetes is rampant among older non Whites and non Asians. Though there are many exceptions. It is usually an avoidable tragedy, but the Woke now are desperate to maintain non White "allies" who tend to be heavier.

    So health be damned. Though this is a personal matter, not for the State to decide.

    The ultra skinny female trope is mainly a gay fashion construct. Even for males. You can only be stick thin and "healthy" in your early, mid teens. After that, biology kicks in.

    BMI should be the age adjusted measure. Science, not fads. But many aspire to be like a young teen, not like they really end up in few years. Keep eating like a 15 YO and you will blimp out by 25, unless you do hard labor.

  59. Public school cafeterias serve junk food. School nutritionists are credentialed starvers.

    One reason why the schools are so costly to taxpayers is that they operate all sorts of low quality, inefficient businesses that have nothing to do with teaching the 3Rs (though their instruction business sucks, too).

    California public school cafeterias (i.e. restaurants) serve ~450M lunches each year. Beginning this term, they won’t charge for them (even non-poor kids qualify). The (new entitlement) program costs \$650M per year.

    Throngs of high school kids will still cross the street in order to buy lunch at 7-11.

  60. @nebulafox
    1) Ban booze, sugar, and junk food from your life. This is well over half the battle when it comes to American diets. Once this is done, the other parts get a lot easier, and even if this is all you do, you'll note progress.

    2) Walk somewhere every day. Get a dog. Walk to lunch or part of the way to work. Walk with your kids or your lady/man if you have them. Whatever. Just do it every day, even if you start small.

    3) Drink water. Increases fat burning rate, curbs hunger pangs.

    All three things of these things should be compatible with any schedule, no matter how busy.

    Do these things *consistently*, month in, month out, and you won't be obese at the end of the line. Some people are not going to be skinny, no matter what they try: a non-trivial part of that is genetics, so stop worrying. But miles of room between that and accepting obesity.

    Patient steadiness goes way further than explosive intensity that doesn't last when it comes to fat loss. Everything else you do on top of these three will do nothing more than increase the rate of progress.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Nicholas Stix, @Henry's Cat, @Muggles

    1) Ban booze, sugar, and junk food from your life.

    Bullshit.

    Get off your ass and do something. Ingest whatever you want, and by God, enjoy it!

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @everybodyhatesscott
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You can't out-train a bad diet. Anyone who has ever lost significant amounts of weight can tell you it's 80-90% diet with the rest exercise.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "Ingest whatever you want, and by God, enjoy it!"

    The cannibal's credo.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  61. @Buzz Mohawk
    @TomSchmidt

    With all due respect, you are full of Scheiße.

    Comments like yours are one of the reasons why simpletons like me tremble in fear of the rapidly encroaching totalitarianism/communism.

    I have news for you: Practically everything is "addictive." If you want to know more, and since you like to lean on books, here is a recommendation, a classic:

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/110490.From_Chocolate_to_Morphine


    https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1389559197l/110490.jpg


    There is a certain, disturbing phenomenon here, and that is the tendency of commenters like you to recommend state control of individual behavior.

    Sure, some things are dangerous, and there are less-intrusive ways of helping and perhaps, if absolutely necessary, to regulate them. However, all of that depends on WHO/WHOM. WHO is doing the regulating, and WHOM are they controlling? The authors of The Constitution understood this, but civics education is so poor now that nobody under 60 even understands this.

    Chocolate is "addictive" and "mind-altering." So is coffee. Shall we give our overlords the power to limit our consumption of those things as well?

    Here is a little tidbit for you: Hardly any "mind-altering" substance you have been programmed to fear is as dangerous as you have been told it is. Have you ever tried one?

    If you really want to control how people consume "dangerous" substances, then why don't you try controlling their consumption of alcohol?

    Hmm?

    It was tried, and it failed miserably. Some things are not the domain of government, and some things in life are just crappy. Deal with it, and stop looking for a nanny.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @TomSchmidt

    “Griefs upon griefs! Disappointments upon disappointments. What then? This is a gay, merry world notwithstanding.”

    Life isn’t fun if you don’t get to live it. Anybody who has been clinically depressed understands that you don’t feel sad inside, you feel lifeless, an absence, a muffled sensation against even pain. And that’s the grey, smiley future they want. The schoolmarms who stand on the perches of American culture want nothing more than to suck the fun out of life. And that’s why I’m hopeful they’ll fail, despite everything. The human spirit-and especially the American spirit-can’t be kept down. The only question is how much damage is done before then. But I’m not naive enough to assume that anything is predetermined.

    That’s the problem, isn’t it? My generation has been guided by mother hens all our lives, and people act shocked when we’re dysfunctional. It’s up to us to fix it. I’ve managed (managing) to, so I suspect most people can. But the first step to fixing a problem is understanding what it is and why it came. It’s not going to happen unless we publicly recognize how poisonous the culture of “safety-ism” is. You can even tie that into a lot of our policy dysfunction.

    Some people (like me) just have extreme personalities, and one of the downsides to that is a potential predisposition to addiction. I’m pretty sure this has a genetic component to it, observing my family, nuclear and extended. Rather than trying to be something that you aren’t, harnessing these tendencies and making them productive is not just better for your health. It’s far more rewarding, for you and for those around you. My relations who had positive end stories were the ones who did.

    >Get off your ass and do something. Ingest whatever you want, and by God, enjoy it!

    Some shows are worth the cost of admission, and that includes not being obese.

    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @nebulafox

    (And there's no reason you can't celebrate your new, healthy body with a nice bender, you know. Think of it as an incentive. ;) )

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @nebulafox

    I want to "thank you for sharing," but that is a cliché. I am grateful for your writing, though, and I wish you success in your efforts to be what you want to be. (Between you and me, I consider myself a failure!)

  62. Yes this has nothing to do with Steve’s allies forcing the vax on everyone and as jealous Gods tend to do anathematizing all other solutions (Ockham’s razor) it’s really a triple bank shot way for women to not have to diet anymore (Ockham’s butter knife). Who/ whom indeed.

  63. @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “Griefs upon griefs! Disappointments upon disappointments. What then? This is a gay, merry world notwithstanding.”

    Life isn't fun if you don't get to live it. Anybody who has been clinically depressed understands that you don't feel sad inside, you feel lifeless, an absence, a muffled sensation against even pain. And that's the grey, smiley future they want. The schoolmarms who stand on the perches of American culture want nothing more than to suck the fun out of life. And that's why I'm hopeful they'll fail, despite everything. The human spirit-and especially the American spirit-can't be kept down. The only question is how much damage is done before then. But I'm not naive enough to assume that anything is predetermined.

    That's the problem, isn't it? My generation has been guided by mother hens all our lives, and people act shocked when we're dysfunctional. It's up to us to fix it. I've managed (managing) to, so I suspect most people can. But the first step to fixing a problem is understanding what it is and why it came. It's not going to happen unless we publicly recognize how poisonous the culture of "safety-ism" is. You can even tie that into a lot of our policy dysfunction.

    Some people (like me) just have extreme personalities, and one of the downsides to that is a potential predisposition to addiction. I'm pretty sure this has a genetic component to it, observing my family, nuclear and extended. Rather than trying to be something that you aren't, harnessing these tendencies and making them productive is not just better for your health. It's far more rewarding, for you and for those around you. My relations who had positive end stories were the ones who did.

    >Get off your ass and do something. Ingest whatever you want, and by God, enjoy it!

    Some shows are worth the cost of admission, and that includes not being obese.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Buzz Mohawk

    (And there’s no reason you can’t celebrate your new, healthy body with a nice bender, you know. Think of it as an incentive. 😉 )

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
  64. Sure, but then you’ll compensate for the losses by becoming a serial killer, and wiping out your spouse, kids and, worst of all, your dog.

    The Stix Family has learned the hard way that adding insufficient quantities of salt can completely ruin a meal otherwise composed of wonderful ingredients (e.g., thick, juicy, Porterhouse steaks).

    A few years ago, a young doctor asked me about any guns I might have in the house. I told her that was none of her concern. In my family, we don’t even talk (not honestly, at least) to our doctors about our diet.

    “Oh, but you’re cutting years off your life.”

    Hopefully, they will only be my last years.

    Of course, I could follow your advice, and be a miserable, frustrated, serial killer who lives in a max security prison to be 100.

    And who gets a dog, just to keep his weight down? You get a dog to keep your mind off your wife and kids.

  65. @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “Griefs upon griefs! Disappointments upon disappointments. What then? This is a gay, merry world notwithstanding.”

    Life isn't fun if you don't get to live it. Anybody who has been clinically depressed understands that you don't feel sad inside, you feel lifeless, an absence, a muffled sensation against even pain. And that's the grey, smiley future they want. The schoolmarms who stand on the perches of American culture want nothing more than to suck the fun out of life. And that's why I'm hopeful they'll fail, despite everything. The human spirit-and especially the American spirit-can't be kept down. The only question is how much damage is done before then. But I'm not naive enough to assume that anything is predetermined.

    That's the problem, isn't it? My generation has been guided by mother hens all our lives, and people act shocked when we're dysfunctional. It's up to us to fix it. I've managed (managing) to, so I suspect most people can. But the first step to fixing a problem is understanding what it is and why it came. It's not going to happen unless we publicly recognize how poisonous the culture of "safety-ism" is. You can even tie that into a lot of our policy dysfunction.

    Some people (like me) just have extreme personalities, and one of the downsides to that is a potential predisposition to addiction. I'm pretty sure this has a genetic component to it, observing my family, nuclear and extended. Rather than trying to be something that you aren't, harnessing these tendencies and making them productive is not just better for your health. It's far more rewarding, for you and for those around you. My relations who had positive end stories were the ones who did.

    >Get off your ass and do something. Ingest whatever you want, and by God, enjoy it!

    Some shows are worth the cost of admission, and that includes not being obese.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Buzz Mohawk

    I want to “thank you for sharing,” but that is a cliché. I am grateful for your writing, though, and I wish you success in your efforts to be what you want to be. (Between you and me, I consider myself a failure!)

  66. @nebulafox
    1) Ban booze, sugar, and junk food from your life. This is well over half the battle when it comes to American diets. Once this is done, the other parts get a lot easier, and even if this is all you do, you'll note progress.

    2) Walk somewhere every day. Get a dog. Walk to lunch or part of the way to work. Walk with your kids or your lady/man if you have them. Whatever. Just do it every day, even if you start small.

    3) Drink water. Increases fat burning rate, curbs hunger pangs.

    All three things of these things should be compatible with any schedule, no matter how busy.

    Do these things *consistently*, month in, month out, and you won't be obese at the end of the line. Some people are not going to be skinny, no matter what they try: a non-trivial part of that is genetics, so stop worrying. But miles of room between that and accepting obesity.

    Patient steadiness goes way further than explosive intensity that doesn't last when it comes to fat loss. Everything else you do on top of these three will do nothing more than increase the rate of progress.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Nicholas Stix, @Henry's Cat, @Muggles

    #24 was in response to you.

  67. I can’t think of anything more American than turning a disease into a fashion statement.

  68. “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”

    I like to decipher the gibberish woke people crank out because they can’t speak the truth out loud. Obviously fat people actually use more healthcare on average than fit people, not less. So if I unpack, deconstruct and decolonize that statement I think they are really saying:

    Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people considered to be in those groups by not asking them to reduce the blubber but still miraculously making them just as healthy?

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Alfa158


    Obviously fat people actually use more healthcare on average than fit people, not less.
     
    This goes for several professionally aggrieved groups, not just fatties. Every one of them puts next to nothing into the system but pulls out well more than her weight, so to speak.

    What they want is the splendid results that self-disciplined people achieve, without the hassle and vexation of having to work for it. What they are forever calling privilege is actually effort.
  69. @Rob

    “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”
     

    I see this sort of construction more and more. The other day it was about trans athletes, and “why would assigning someone to a category affect their ability?” No. What we are doing is noticing which category they fall into.

    Even “body positivists” cannot stomach calling people fat. Not even in the abstract. I think this is where the “all disparities are caused by discrimination (BadWhites)” is headed. Maybe that was the goal all along.

    Don’t get me wrong. I am sure healthcare providers “underserves” the obese (would that restaurants did the same!) It has to discouraging to be prescribing whatever while thinking “you would not need this drug if you lost 100 pounds.” But healthcare providers are constrained by physical reality. Realistically, a two hundred pound woman cannot exercise. She will do too much wear and tear to her joints, and the exercise will be so unpleasant that she won’t do it twice.

    I think gym class could help, we’re there a sea change in the people who are assigned to the gym teacher category. Too often, whether by design or for the same reason academic classes are humiliating for the dumb, gym class is about shaming nerds and fat kids. Really, the people who most need gym class, because athletes will exercise on their own. I propose segregating gym classes by ability. We do with academic classes, or used to. I am not particularly athletic, which is an understatement. I always had more fun and got more expertise when the good athletes were not there for whatever reason. Unlike academics, which has objective standards, sports are completely relative. Someone always wins. Remember the World Cup, when the alien “French” team won, and non-whites were all proud, and cucks were like, “we were right to give away our futures”? If the French team had not won, then someone else would have. Every single time.

    Sure kids would get made fun off for being in remedial gym. But they’d get some excercise. It might even help the athletic kids. Without nerds to dunk on, athletes would play people closer to their level, and hopefully realize that they are never going to the NBA. A lot of kids would have more realistic goals that way? Maybe not, it’s not like dim, clumsy black kids have lower middle class aspirations. But at least more kids would get a work out.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @res, @anon, @Marty, @Prof. Woland

    “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”

    Let’s step back and ask whether that is actually true. How do we define underserved? Because health care spending appears to (unsurprisingly) be higher for the obese.
    The Impact of Obesity on Health Care Utilization and Expenditures in a Medicare Supplement Population
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5119873/

    Abstract:

    Objective: Obesity is a contributor to increased chronic conditions resulting in higher utilization of medical services among broad populations of older adults. The objective of this study was to evaluate the magnitude of the impact of weight on health care use patterns among Medicare Supplement insureds.
    Method: We estimated the impact of weight as a function of body mass index (BMI) on health care utilization and expenditures using propensity weighted multivariate regression models. The outcomes were controlled initially for demographics and socioeconomics and then additionally for chronic conditions and health status.
    Results: Among the 9,484 survey respondents, 22.9% were obese. Those categorized as obese were significantly more likely to incur inpatient admissions and orthopedic procedures. Annualized health care expenditures were US\$1,496 higher for obese compared with normal weight. The excess utilization and expenditures associated with obesity were explained by chronic conditions and poor health status.
    Conclusion: Obesity-related expenditures associated with medical management are largely preventable and may benefit from interventions that target lifestyle behaviors and weight management among older adults.

    This page has various breakdowns of health care spending, but nothing for overweight/obesity. Health care spending tends to follow something like an 80/20 rule and I would be surprised if the overweight and obese weren’t disproportionately in the high spenders group (though elderly who have lost weight and cancer patients in general might make a counterargument).
    https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-expenditures-vary-across-population/#item-discussion-of-health-spending-often-focus-on-averages-but-a-small-share-of-the-population-incurs-most-of-the-cost_2016

    It seems like that commenter is mixing things up with this talking point.
    Diet and Obesity Issues in the Underserved
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28164812/

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @res

    Thanks for the detail as well as the citations (your posts are always well cited, which makes them useful for discussing some of these topics outside of this blog).



    “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”
     
    More lack of agency. "Underserved" means Pokemon victims having to face consequences for their lifestyle, decisions, etc.

    Obese people aren't at fault for their obesity, and a healthcare system that can't make all obesity-related problems vanish is "underserving" them. If someone points out that obesity causes all sorts of health problems, they are a Bad Person.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    , @donut
    @res

    "Health care spending tends to follow something like an 80/20 rule" , the Pareto principal does apply to health care utilization as it does to many things in nature .
    An ER nurse in Reno Nev. did a study of the visits to the ER of the local "frequent flyers" and 20% of the pts. accounted for 80% of the ER visits .
    No Gov't action or spending is going to negate this natural law . Even if obesity could be entirely eliminated then another population of pts. would take their place . But action must be taken .
    I wonder if 80% of the "for your own good" policies are instigated by 20% of the pop.

  70. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Achmed E. Newman


    BTW, 10 or 15 bucks for a salad? My wife puts together all kinds of healthy vegetables – usually 1.25 lb. worth just for my share, for 1/3 of that money.
     
    Apparently there is a whole economy of morons who buy lunch and/or dinner at these places. They have no idea what real food is or how to enjoy it at home.

    The last time I had to manage human workers, many of them would leave at lunch time and spend everything they had made all morning buying crap at come chain food place.

    Recently, someone gave me a bribe, um, gift card for Panera Bread. I hadn't been to one since my wife and I grabbed lunch at one out of necessity in downtown Denver. Well, we discovered, via several free visits, that their menu really consists of a cleverly designed formula with about 3 or 4 basic kinds of sandwiches and salads, each variation priced at or around 10 bucks.

    Now, if you can find yourself a real delicatessen, you can have them make you any one of a hundred beautiful sandwiches. You will not find a Reuben at Panera Bread, and the mouth breathers behind the counter will not know what one is, but go to a deli and you can have one, or a pastrami on rye, or anything else. AND it will cost you less than Panera Bread.

    Chipotle was a similar experience when we decided to try it. I remember basically two pails of slop sunk behind the counter, and left-curve kids ladling into bowls. No wonder so many people have gotten sick, and so much news consists of "still more customers hunch over in agony after eating at Chipotle."

    When your wife is an excellent cook, and when you work as her sous-chef, you realize how little is really offered, at a high price, by chains like those.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Peter Akuleyev, @Stan Adams, @Bill Jones, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I’m the chief hash slinger at home and it’s easy to see why the Restaurant Impossible guy reckons that food costs of 25% of menu price is readily do-able.

  71. @Buzz Mohawk
    @nebulafox


    1) Ban booze, sugar, and junk food from your life.
     
    Bullshit.

    Get off your ass and do something. Ingest whatever you want, and by God, enjoy it!

    Replies: @everybodyhatesscott, @SunBakedSuburb

    You can’t out-train a bad diet. Anyone who has ever lost significant amounts of weight can tell you it’s 80-90% diet with the rest exercise.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @everybodyhatesscott

    Maybe for you, because you have an inferior body.

    With best wishes,
    Buzz
    Old mountaineer who eats and drinks whatever he wants

    I don't need to "lose weight." You and others here apparently do. All of your comments are colored by this fact.

    And I don't for a minute believe what you posted. Exercise is superior to diet. The problem is, for most people -- like you -- real exercise is hard. It's something you and they have never really done in your little lives.

    Go climb a fourteener or two, and get back to me. (Lot's of ordinary people do, like me. We are not special.)

    You can do it!


    http://www.famouspictures.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/RosieTheRiveter.jpg

  72. The CDC recently published Covid risk (hospitalization/death) ratio’s for various morbidities. Obesity has a ratio of 1:3. On the other hand, per recent Colorado CDC data it’s seven times more likely you’ll be hospitalized if your unvaccinated. So if your a little older, carrying some extra weight and maybe have high blood pressure, sure it would be a good idea to get some exercise, eat right and lose some weight but if viewing this in a short term risk analysis perspective, you’d get much more bang for the buck by vaccinating then trying to lose some weight etc.

    Page 11 for the table
    https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/pdf/21_0123.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3xI4BWzpOKYjVCBj_FzvKSEs5d-nTI9IPuM295gnJTGGwJkkht9DKjJ4g

    https://www.9news.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/covid-update-august-31/73-432202cb-9f0a-435a-8c26-a973591e170b?fbclid=IwAR1sV1Z72HEJTYCn1ZiqEyB_ZhnlpNhwHcndLTdoivVXJcS3tmfwqFXPS1Y

  73. @Achmed E. Newman

    We clearly have no problem with government overreach on how we live our lives all in the name of ‘health,’” he wrote. “What if we made the food that is making us sick illegal? What if we taxed processed food and refined sugar to pay for the impact of the pandemic? What if we incentivized health?”
     
    Speak for yourself, salad boy! We clearly DO have a problem with government overreach on how we live our lives in the name of ... ANYTHING., if I could please include me in this we.

    Being far from NY City, Bloomberg's nanny-statism didn't affect me, but it was more sickening than a 64 oz Big Gulp to the health of a free society. Michael Bloomberg is a threat to a free society.

    That is not to say I don't agree that a lower obesity rate would not be a good thing for individuals and this country. Rather than worry about the Kung Flu, really fat people ought to be worried about Diabetes. It is a BAD disease and has been one of the most common causes of early deaths (not to mention amputations).

    I don't think I like anyone involved in that whole article, on either side.

    .

    BTW, 10 or 15 bucks for a salad? My wife puts together all kinds of healthy vegetables - usually 1.25 lb. worth just for my share, for 1/3 of that money. I'm guessing the atmosphere at Sweetgreen is not as fun as What-a-burger either.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TomSchmidt, @SunBakedSuburb, @Buffalo Joe, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    “salad boy!”

    People really don’t like salad; they like salad dressing. Why else would they smother tomatoes, broccoli florets, carrots, and the assorted leafy greens under a blanket of pink or white goo. And that’s what salad dressing is: goo of an indeterminate origin.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @SunBakedSuburb

    For you and Ghost of Bull Moose: I don't see how even the best of vegetables can taste as good as meat, or tasty baked goods, etc. for that matter. However, I eat them because I need to. I don't put any dressing on most times, but yes, must people need that to mask the taste (or, just give good flavor vs. no flavor and endless chewing - celery, anyone?)

    Sure, depending on the veggies it can be mostly a lot of water, but there are vitamins and the roughage.

    They were right: Eat your veggies!

    Replies: @Adam Smith

  74. Salad Maker Denounced for Encouraging Weight Loss

    I say:

    I wonder if California gals Didion and Hidden Valley Ranch Dressing Kellerman ever met?

    Both Didion and Kellerman were born in the 1930s when the population of California was about 5.7 million and now it is north of 40 million.

    I have recently put on an extra 7 or so pounds and it is easier to shave because my jawline is rounder but I need to lose the extra weight just so I can make fun of Teddy Cruz and his fat face and his fat man Orson Welles beard and 2024 presidential candidate Trump and his fat baby boomer ass.

    Kellerman and Didion were shy gals but Kellerman’s figure was not shy. It spoke voluptuous volumes.

  75. @TomSchmidt

    suggesting that obesity is the “root cause” of health problems
     
    Which way is the arrow of causality pointing? I'd bet that health problems, like inflammation from HFCS and crap cheap carbs, are the root cause of obesity. Obesity is a good rule of thumb indicator of underlying health problems.

    No wonder he got slammed for a suggestion that is, at base, correct. Cut out the refined foods, especially carbs and you'll become healthier with less inflammation. You'll also lose weight as your body becomes able to process the toxins as it has stored in fat, and as it has no need to store new toxins in fat.

    Replies: @Professional Slav, @Travis

    good point. Poor diets with too many carbs increase inflammation and weight gain. Being obese also increases inflammation. It is near impossible to become obese if you restrict your carbs. You also need to reduce the consumption of omega 6 fats found in seed oils and vegetable oils. Increase your consumption of saturated fats found in eggs, milk, coconut oil and meat.

    • Agree: TomSchmidt
  76. @TomSchmidt
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Being far from NY City, Bloomberg’s nanny-statism didn’t affect me, but it was more sickening than a 64 oz Big Gulp to the health of a free society. Michael Bloomberg is a threat to a free society.
     
    Not knowing your comment history by heart, AEN, I have to ask: are you in favor of legalizing cocaine and heroin (Cocaine is actually legal and can be obtained with Prescription. So maybe I mean decriminalizing.)?

    The food companies know exactly how addictive things like salt sugar and fat are. You can read the book of that name if you want to get some of the science that went into this. Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm. Why shouldn't it be banned? Or at least licensed?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Sparkon, @Veteran Aryan, @Jack D, @anon

    The food companies know exactly how addictive things like salt sugar and fat are. You can read the book of that name if you want to get some of the science that went into this. Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm. Why shouldn’t it be banned? Or at least licensed?

    Looking forward to your treatise on air and water.

  77. @Buzz Mohawk
    @nebulafox


    1) Ban booze, sugar, and junk food from your life.
     
    Bullshit.

    Get off your ass and do something. Ingest whatever you want, and by God, enjoy it!

    Replies: @everybodyhatesscott, @SunBakedSuburb

    “Ingest whatever you want, and by God, enjoy it!”

    The cannibal’s credo.

    • LOL: Marshal Marlow
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Okay, buy why skulls?

    https://www.unfinishedman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/MAngelas-e1330988542288.jpg


    Furthermore, your comment implies that any normal person in our community/family would ever want to consume such things.

    Think about it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWvpvlT9pJU

    Replies: @anon

  78. @slumber_j
    @Buzz Mohawk


    … and completely ignoring the superior effects EXERCISE has on health and body fat content.
     
    Right, and particularly more explosive stuff and weight training. Public-heath officialdom's emphasis on cardiovascular exercise is the equivalent of the food pyramid: take a longish brisk walk, and you're fine in that department. If you want to control weight and actually feel good, try a little lifting and sprinting--and it doesn't need to be very much, you don't need to get ripped or whatever. It's boring, but so is everything, and at least it doesn't last very long.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Anon, @3g4me

    “It’s boring, but so is everything”

    Heh heh. You could publish that as, “Samuel Beckett for Dummies”.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Good point, although for that I would have included the rest of what I said: "and at least it doesn’t last very long."

  79. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    So maybe a lot of white women are enthusiastic about black women being recently idealized as the epitome of beauty because they sense that if sometimes comes to adore 190 pound black women that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?
     
    Well, most black women are not great as fitness role models, but can you blame white women for wanting a break from 'dieting?'

    In my day we didn't have transgenderism or transracialism as the trendy neuroses for high school girls, we had anorexia and bulimia. Probably 75% of the girls I dated or were friends with claimed to have had one eating disorder or another at various times. And it was by any means necessary; not sure if this is still the case, but smoking was much more popular with girls for this reason. Also diet pills, eating only candy and sweet coffee drinks, that sort of thing.

    These girls were not healthy. Some developed heart problems, problems with their teeth from vomiting all the time, poor muscle tone, etc. They wanted to be a size 'zero,' to abnegate their bodies completely.

    'Dieting' meant periods of near-starvation alternating with periods of 'going off' the diet: stuffing themselves when their bodies cried out for calories and fat and sustenance, so they could at least begin to ready themselves for the physical ordeal of bearing children.

    Exercise, cardio fitness and strength training, will obviate the need for 'weight loss' programs or 'dieting.' Get in shape and burn more calories, see the results and develop healthier eating habits. It works. As I get older I'm getting more into cardio and running, which I always thought was kind of a waste of time and too hard on the joints. But it's actually pretty great, and I've shed about 10 pounds I didn't need without changing my diet at all. Still gotta keep up weight training to keep the bones strong and fool old brother donkey (as St Francis called his body) that we still have work to do before we call it a day.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @S. Anonyia

    “These girls were not healthy.”

    Skinny white dog moms are penis deadeners.

  80. @Buzz Mohawk

    Government officials, he added, should ban or tax unhealthy food.
     
    ALARM. RED FLAG.

    This is never the solution. Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake. Yes, sometimes it is a necessary evil, which is why we have laws against things commonly known to be bad, like murder, whereas eating a Snickers bar should not be punishable by extra tax...


    ... just because some purveyor of overpriced greens says so. BTW, he is in the carbohydrate business.

    There are plenty of skinny people who drink Coke, munch snacks and never get fat. There is a lot more to this story than "Eat salads or pay tax, prole!" If anything, it was the government's idiotic food pyramid that made America fat by emphasizing carb consumption over protein...

    ... and completely ignoring the superior effects EXERCISE has on health and body fat content.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @slumber_j, @millenial, @Jack D, @res, @HA, @Half Canadian

    Yeah, I would accept the sincerity of his advice a lot more if he didn’t stand to directly profit from it. It’s easy to be in favor of stuff that tends to enhance your bank account. Let’s see him be brave and give advice that puts himself out of business…

    Meanwhile he is asking the government to act as his enforcer and put his competitors out of business. That’s much easier than having to compete in the market. Let’s see – for \$10 I can have a couple of delicious hamburgers or else I can have a bowl of wilted lettuce. At least some of his customers are going to opt for the hamburgers unless the gubmint does him a big favor and takes this decision out of their hands.

    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
  81. The War Is A Racket Department needs to go on a diet and the overseas garrisoning of the American Empire needs to end or be slimmed down dramatically.

    Let the Germans and the two Gooks get the nukes and the means to deliver them.

    South Korea and Japan and Germany should be cut free.

    The Federal Reserve Bank and the US Treasury can then launder the electronically conjured up loot through a Guaranteed Monthly Loot Portion to all eligible American citizens who have all ancestry born in colonial America or the USA before 1924.

    The Finance and Insurance and Real Estate scam sector and the War Is A Racket Department both need to be financially liquidated.

    Raise the federal funds rate to 6 percent and fire sale the bloated balance sheet of the Fed and stop the asset purchases of government debt and mortgage-backed securities and all the other monetary policy extremism madness.

    • Agree: Rob, Escher
    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
  82. @Buzz Mohawk

    Government officials, he added, should ban or tax unhealthy food.
     
    ALARM. RED FLAG.

    This is never the solution. Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake. Yes, sometimes it is a necessary evil, which is why we have laws against things commonly known to be bad, like murder, whereas eating a Snickers bar should not be punishable by extra tax...


    ... just because some purveyor of overpriced greens says so. BTW, he is in the carbohydrate business.

    There are plenty of skinny people who drink Coke, munch snacks and never get fat. There is a lot more to this story than "Eat salads or pay tax, prole!" If anything, it was the government's idiotic food pyramid that made America fat by emphasizing carb consumption over protein...

    ... and completely ignoring the superior effects EXERCISE has on health and body fat content.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @slumber_j, @millenial, @Jack D, @res, @HA, @Half Canadian

    This is never the solution. Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake.

    But it is so seductive. As an example, I think Finland’s policy to promote salt substitutes in processed foods is a win for public health. This paper look at a number of countries doing similar things.
    Effective population-wide public health interventions to promote sodium reduction
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2764755/

    Finland is interesting because their Pansalt has more than potassium (the typical salt substitute is just a mix of sodium and potassium chloride in varying proportions).
    https://oribalt.lv/en/24/pansalt

    Ingredients: 57 % sodium chloride, 28 % potassium chloride, 12 % magnesium sulphate, 2 % lysine hydrochloride, 1 % silicon dioxide and 0.0036 % iodine. Pansalt contains iodine 25 mg/kg.

    My choice for government intervention would be to encourage/subsidize the healthier alternatives (here Pansalt) rather than taxing (a decent option IMHO, though the slippery slope is pernicious) or banning (worst alternative) the “bad” choices. For Pansalt at commercial scale I suspect the price would not be that bad, but right now it is hard to find in the US at all. Someone marketed it in the mid-1990s, but I don’t know what happened.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/06/nyregion/salt-substitute-from-tarrytown-company.html

    AFAICT Pansalt is either expensive or unavailable in the US. At commercial scale I think it would be much more competitive.

    P.S. Part of the solution is to stop subsidizing unhealthy food. A significant part of our agricultural programs has exactly that effect (e.g. corn subsidies and high fructose corn syrup).

    • Thanks: Professional Slav
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @res

    If you feel that a salt substitute is healthier than sodium chloride, there are plenty available if not Pansalt. I have no idea whether Pansalt is better than other substitutes but I suspect there's not a big difference. I suspect that if you mixed the widely available Nusalt (99% potassium chloride) 50/50 with table salt that it wouldn't be that different from Pansalt. Or if you wanted to be fancy you could do 6 parts table salt, 3 parts Nusalt and 1 part Epsom salt (mag. sulphate).

    My guess (and it's only a guess) is that some people (blacks especially) are from inland places where salt was rare and their bodies are optimized for a low sodium diet while others are descended from people who lived closer to the ocean and had more access to salt and diets that were more dependent on salt preserved foods. If you are the former, then reducing sodium may be a matter of life and death, but if you are the latter, your body is already good at pissing out extra sodium and it really doesn't make much difference how much you consume. So one size does not fit all.

    If you really want to reduce sodium, cut out processed foods and eating out. That (and not table salt) is where most people get most of their sodium. Salt makes cheap low grade ingredients more appealing so that adding sodium is a cheap trick for making food taste better.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Professional Slav

    , @stillCARealist
    @res

    I suspect social shaming for being fat is more effective than any new regulations about salt content.

    My dad was fat and refused to follow his cardiologist's directives for a healthier diet. So the doctor said, "Don't come back to me." I like that. You don't want to even try what the doctor ordered? Fine, but don't come looking for more expensive care with that attitude.

    Too many people don't even know or care about their excessive weight. That describes many of the people in my own extended family. They eat way too much and demonstrate no awareness of the consequences. Guess what? The stress on your heart and body are terrible and you will suffer for it. But they have no vices other than eating, so they eat.

    , @Peterike
    @res

    “I think Finland’s policy to promote salt substitutes in processed foods is a win for public health”

    The pernicious nature of salt is largely overrated. Like MSG giving you a headache — a complete myth that decades ago showed the power of suggestion to fool people.

    Cutting back on sugar is a thousand times more important than cutting back on salt.

    , @El Dato
    @res

    Why would one need a salt substitute?

    People who don't get rid of salt have a big metabolic problem, but it has nothing to do with salt. In fact, AFAIK the link between hypertension and salt uptake, which is still haunting the medical profession like the ghost of homeopathy, is causally backwards.

    Replies: @res

    , @Jack D
    @res

    Note also this China study:

    https://www.georgeinstitute.org/projects/china-salt-substitute-and-stroke-study-ssass

    The salt substitute they used was cheap, costing approx. US$1.62 per kilo versus US$1.08 per kilo for regular salt. The formula was very simple - 75% table salt and 25% potassium chloride.

    Morton's makes a product that is already pre-mixed 50% sodium/ 50% potassium salt. The reviews say that it tastes just like regular table salt. I'm going to give it a try - it seems like an easy substitution with very little downside. If it's too pricey for your budget you could mix it 50/50 with table salt which would give you the formula used in the Chinese study and which produced statistically significant reductions in stroke and heart attack.

    https://www.amazon.com/Morton-Lite-Sodium-Table-2pack/dp/B079M94H6X/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

    Replies: @res

  83. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Achmed E. Newman


    BTW, 10 or 15 bucks for a salad? My wife puts together all kinds of healthy vegetables – usually 1.25 lb. worth just for my share, for 1/3 of that money.
     
    Apparently there is a whole economy of morons who buy lunch and/or dinner at these places. They have no idea what real food is or how to enjoy it at home.

    The last time I had to manage human workers, many of them would leave at lunch time and spend everything they had made all morning buying crap at come chain food place.

    Recently, someone gave me a bribe, um, gift card for Panera Bread. I hadn't been to one since my wife and I grabbed lunch at one out of necessity in downtown Denver. Well, we discovered, via several free visits, that their menu really consists of a cleverly designed formula with about 3 or 4 basic kinds of sandwiches and salads, each variation priced at or around 10 bucks.

    Now, if you can find yourself a real delicatessen, you can have them make you any one of a hundred beautiful sandwiches. You will not find a Reuben at Panera Bread, and the mouth breathers behind the counter will not know what one is, but go to a deli and you can have one, or a pastrami on rye, or anything else. AND it will cost you less than Panera Bread.

    Chipotle was a similar experience when we decided to try it. I remember basically two pails of slop sunk behind the counter, and left-curve kids ladling into bowls. No wonder so many people have gotten sick, and so much news consists of "still more customers hunch over in agony after eating at Chipotle."

    When your wife is an excellent cook, and when you work as her sous-chef, you realize how little is really offered, at a high price, by chains like those.

    Replies: @Barnard, @Peter Akuleyev, @Stan Adams, @Bill Jones, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Now, if you can find yourself a real delicatessen”

    Every American should visit Canter’s Deli on Fairfax in Los Angeles, in the same way every American should visit the Grand Canyon, cruise New York Harbor, and watch the sun rise in Las Vegas at least once. (If you don’t know what happens at sunrise on the Vegas strip, I’m not going to tell you.)

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
  84. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So (...) that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?
     
    You saying there some sorta fats domino effect?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @donut, @Mr. Peabody, @TomSchmidt, @Almost Missouri, @Hangnail Hans, @Paul Jolliffe, @Escher

    Did you mean a Domino’s Effect?

  85. @Achmed E. Newman

    So maybe a lot of white women are enthusiastic about black women being recently idealized as the epitome of beauty because they sense that if sometimes comes to adore 190 pound black women that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?
     
    That theory only goes as far as the first guy that doesn't look at them. A big part of women's lives has to do with getting men to look at them a certain way. A girl can rationalize that it's perfectly fine that she's ballooned out right up until she leaves the house and doesn't have any guys looking at any specific parts of her body.

    It's hard to fool Mother Nature. They tried it with margarine in the 1970s. They got a few good decades of sales, but ...

    As far as black women getting down to 190 lb., good on 'em!

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Old Prude, @R.G. Camara

    I recently had a week of interaction with CNAs in a care facility. Every one was at least twenty-pounds overweight. Shame was, they were all attractive, and a few would have been jaw drop gorgeous slimmed down. I don’t get it.

  86. @TomSchmidt
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Being far from NY City, Bloomberg’s nanny-statism didn’t affect me, but it was more sickening than a 64 oz Big Gulp to the health of a free society. Michael Bloomberg is a threat to a free society.
     
    Not knowing your comment history by heart, AEN, I have to ask: are you in favor of legalizing cocaine and heroin (Cocaine is actually legal and can be obtained with Prescription. So maybe I mean decriminalizing.)?

    The food companies know exactly how addictive things like salt sugar and fat are. You can read the book of that name if you want to get some of the science that went into this. Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm. Why shouldn't it be banned? Or at least licensed?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Sparkon, @Veteran Aryan, @Jack D, @anon

    Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm.

    No, it’s not addictive in the sense that opiates are addictive. You can’t overdose on sugar the way you can overdose on opiates. You are just playing word games.

    The MOST healthy thing would be for the governments to strictly prescribe our diet. Each day they would deliver to you 3 packets of human chow in convenient liquid form. Each packet would be sugar and sodium free and contain all the necessary vitamins and minerals needed to support life and the correct number of calories needed. The sale of all other food and drink would be prohibited – that would interfere with your balanced diet. It would also be illegal to grow your own food, which might interfere with the prescribed diet – you could be sneaking orange juice or honey on the side. BTW, orange juice has the same amount of sugar per ounce as Coca Cola.

    I can guarantee to you that under such a scheme, public health would be GREATLY enhanced. Diabetes would go way down. So would Covid, heart disease and many other diseases. Life expectancy would skyrocket.

    STILL, I wouldn’t be in favor of this – it is contrary to what it means to live in a free country, where the government should stay out of our business (even if it is for “our own good”) to the maximum extent possible and only intervene in the most serious cases with the potential for immediate bodily harm – people who are selling fentanyl, etc. What you are recommending is only a slightly less rigorous version of the same thing.

    If there is anything that we have learned from the Covid mess, it is not to trust our “elites”. In case you haven’t noticed, the government’s dietary advice has changed over the years. Palm oil is really bad for you – let’s take it out of baked goods. Never mind, it’s really good and the transfats that we were pushing as substitutes (thanks for that campaign contribution P&G) are bad. Please put the palm oil back. Most of our leaders, if you got to know them personally, are not people you would trust with babysitting your dog for the weekend (Biden’s dog likes to bite people). The last thing on earth I would want is to let these people dictate what I eat.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Jack D

    Libertarian twaddle.

    The government already banned asbestos, fruity flavored Juul cartridges, BPA, lead paint, and trans fat, and somehow we’re not sliding down a slippery slope of soylent deliveries.

    Drinking 64oz of sugar soda is more harmful to the body than taking a single opiate pill. And as far as addiction, virtually everyone has had a vicodin or morphine at some point in their lives, but few are addicted. On the other hand, a majority of Americans are overweight and about a third are obese.

    Nudging people to more healthful behaviors works. Cigarettes are perfectly legal, but higher taxes and place restrictions helped millions of our people avoid a painful death hacking up blood from their failing lungs.

    Replies: @3g4me

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    The elephant in the room is that most of the food supply in the United States comes from large corporations that own supermarkets and chains of restaurants.

    Many of the restaurants are franchised that is true but the parent corporations, as I understand it, control the menus and the sourcing of the foods.

    The solution to the obesity epidemic therefore depends on getting those corporations onside, either by getting them to volunteer to produce better food and drink, or to regulate them.

    Unfortunately it is fairly obvious that places like supermarkets find it much more profitable to sell pre-prepared and processed foods than fresh foods.

    In my personal opinion, ALL of the foods sold in supermarket bakery departments in the US have excess sugar to the extent of being sickly sweet, and this even includes the bread. Fruit pies like apple pies that should be slightly tart are usually over sweet.

    Incidentally, I don't think it is completely true that you can't overdose on sugar. If you are a diabetic you can. And even if you are not diabetic, if you feel sleepy after eating a sweet meal, isn't that a form of overdosage?

    The government should perhaps award a symbolic gold star to corporations that voluntarily cut out the sale of foods that have excessive salt and sugar, and a black swastika to those corporations that do not participate, and ban black swastika corporations from government contracts, or from having their product on sale on military bases or in schools, hospitals, and prisons.

    This could be linked to a program teaching children in schools that black swastika corporations and their executives are trying to kill people, and who knows, after a few years, the black swastika corporations might be trying to earn their gold stars.

    Just a gentle nudge, or an elbow in the teeth, is all that is needed.

    PS. I am fat. I am 220 lb and 6 ft 1 in, and people often tell me that I am not fat, but I would much prefer people to tell me that I'm fat, because that will remind me to lay off the chocolate biscuits and freshly squeezed orange juice.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Stan Adams

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    Please put the palm oil back. Most of our leaders, if you got to know them personally, are not people you would trust with babysitting your dog for the weekend (Biden’s dog likes to bite people). The last thing on earth I would want is to let these people dictate what I eat.
     
    Hear, hear.

    All candidates for president should be required to demonstrate that they can train a dog properly. If you can't manage a dog, you are certainlyly not fit to manage a country.

    Vladimir Putin's black labrador Connie frequently participated in summits and demonstrated an excellent demeanor towards world leaders and photographers, even Angela Merkel, who is terrified of dogs.
    , @Anonymous Jew
    @Jack D

    I agree. However, I would bet that sugar and high glycemic foods lead to more premature death (metabolic syndrome > heart disease et al) than just about anything else (meth, COVID etc.)*

    Speaking of COVID, if our government just banned sugar and/or foods with a high glycemic index, it would save more lives than any COVID lockdown and be far less of an infringement on our basic freedoms. I’m not in favor of either lockdowns or dietary mandates, but it’s an interesting point to raise with the lefty maskers.

    *When I gained a lot of second-child sympathy weight at around 40 years old I got so fed up with letting myself go that I went on a nearly all meat and green veggie diet (no grains, no sweets, some fruit 2-3 times a week). I was able to stick to this diet for about 2-3 months. I could not believe how quickly I lost weight while also eating to satiation. Especially considering I was 40 and half my family is fat. Sugar bad. Period.

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Jack D

    I might have used habit-forming, but there is a feedback loop with sugar soon has you taking more of it, and in larger doses.


    No, it’s not addictive in the sense that opiates are addictive. You can’t overdose on sugar the way you can overdose on opiates. You are just playing word games.
     
    How about cocaine? Not an opiate... we have:
    https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/experts-is-sugar-addictive-drug

    “Addiction is a strong word,” says Dr. Alan Greene, a children’s health and wellness expert and the author of books like “Raising Baby Green” and “Feeding Baby Green.”

    “In medicine we use ‘addiction’ to describe a tragic situation where someone’s brain chemistry has been altered to compel them to repeat a substance or activity despite harmful consequences. This is very different than the casual use of ‘addiction’ (‘I’m addicted to “Game of Thrones!”’).”

    In Greene’s opinion, evidence is mounting that too much added sugar could lead to true addiction. ...
    Eating sugar releases opioids and dopamine in our bodies. This is the link between added sugar and addictive behavior. ...
    Cassie Bjork, RD, LD, founder of Healthy Simple Life, states that sugar can be even more addicting than cocaine.

    “Sugar activates the opiate receptorsTrusted Source in our brain and affects the reward center, which leads to compulsive behavior, despite the negative consequences like weight gain, headaches, hormone imbalances, and more
     

    Ancel Keys, as you note in passing, pushed the bad science of anti-fat, which led to cardboard food, which required sugar. If you want to read the takedown of him, and it's a delight, see Nina Teichholz's The Big Fat Surprise. She digs the data on Keys, EVOO, and a whole host of bad food science.
  87. @res
    @Buzz Mohawk


    This is never the solution. Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake.
     
    But it is so seductive. As an example, I think Finland's policy to promote salt substitutes in processed foods is a win for public health. This paper look at a number of countries doing similar things.
    Effective population-wide public health interventions to promote sodium reduction
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2764755/

    Finland is interesting because their Pansalt has more than potassium (the typical salt substitute is just a mix of sodium and potassium chloride in varying proportions).
    https://oribalt.lv/en/24/pansalt

    Ingredients: 57 % sodium chloride, 28 % potassium chloride, 12 % magnesium sulphate, 2 % lysine hydrochloride, 1 % silicon dioxide and 0.0036 % iodine. Pansalt contains iodine 25 mg/kg.

     

    My choice for government intervention would be to encourage/subsidize the healthier alternatives (here Pansalt) rather than taxing (a decent option IMHO, though the slippery slope is pernicious) or banning (worst alternative) the "bad" choices. For Pansalt at commercial scale I suspect the price would not be that bad, but right now it is hard to find in the US at all. Someone marketed it in the mid-1990s, but I don't know what happened.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/06/nyregion/salt-substitute-from-tarrytown-company.html

    AFAICT Pansalt is either expensive or unavailable in the US. At commercial scale I think it would be much more competitive.

    P.S. Part of the solution is to stop subsidizing unhealthy food. A significant part of our agricultural programs has exactly that effect (e.g. corn subsidies and high fructose corn syrup).

    Replies: @Jack D, @stillCARealist, @Peterike, @El Dato, @Jack D

    If you feel that a salt substitute is healthier than sodium chloride, there are plenty available if not Pansalt. I have no idea whether Pansalt is better than other substitutes but I suspect there’s not a big difference. I suspect that if you mixed the widely available Nusalt (99% potassium chloride) 50/50 with table salt that it wouldn’t be that different from Pansalt. Or if you wanted to be fancy you could do 6 parts table salt, 3 parts Nusalt and 1 part Epsom salt (mag. sulphate).

    My guess (and it’s only a guess) is that some people (blacks especially) are from inland places where salt was rare and their bodies are optimized for a low sodium diet while others are descended from people who lived closer to the ocean and had more access to salt and diets that were more dependent on salt preserved foods. If you are the former, then reducing sodium may be a matter of life and death, but if you are the latter, your body is already good at pissing out extra sodium and it really doesn’t make much difference how much you consume. So one size does not fit all.

    If you really want to reduce sodium, cut out processed foods and eating out. That (and not table salt) is where most people get most of their sodium. Salt makes cheap low grade ingredients more appealing so that adding sodium is a cheap trick for making food taste better.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Jack D

    Theres some evidence that sodium is not so much the problem, but rather sodium chloride. We used to get a lot of our sodium from plants in the form of sodium bicarbonate, which doesn't appear to raise blood pressure, and may actually lower it.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2168457/

    Furthermore the bicarbonate and citrate (metabolizes into bicarbonate) in fruits and vegetables maintain kidney and bone health.

    People should really eat more fruits and greens. I started a diet a few months ago, and after starving myself for quite a while, I found that I started craving fruit a lot. Part of that may be the sugar, but if that's the only thing you'd think I'd want a can of pop more than an apple or some cherries, which is not at all the case. I think I'm craving the nutrients at least as much as the sugar.

    I also can't get enough of peppers, onions, leeks, carrots, etc. I've lost all interest in junk food - not that I ate much before (I can cook well) - and sugar on its own is not appealing.

    I know it sounds a bit extreme, but if you really want to know what your body needs, try getting well-acquainted with hunger for an extended period and it will tell you.

    Replies: @donut

    , @Professional Slav
    @Jack D

    Interesting theory on the proximity to ocean but I don't think that's correct. For example polynesia (or micronesia) are islands, ocean on all sides, and yet they have something like 80% obesity and hypertension prevalence on some islands. Probably because of introduction of Western excessive sodium McDonald's style diets.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Foreign Expert

  88. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    So maybe a lot of white women are enthusiastic about black women being recently idealized as the epitome of beauty because they sense that if sometimes comes to adore 190 pound black women that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?
     
    Well, most black women are not great as fitness role models, but can you blame white women for wanting a break from 'dieting?'

    In my day we didn't have transgenderism or transracialism as the trendy neuroses for high school girls, we had anorexia and bulimia. Probably 75% of the girls I dated or were friends with claimed to have had one eating disorder or another at various times. And it was by any means necessary; not sure if this is still the case, but smoking was much more popular with girls for this reason. Also diet pills, eating only candy and sweet coffee drinks, that sort of thing.

    These girls were not healthy. Some developed heart problems, problems with their teeth from vomiting all the time, poor muscle tone, etc. They wanted to be a size 'zero,' to abnegate their bodies completely.

    'Dieting' meant periods of near-starvation alternating with periods of 'going off' the diet: stuffing themselves when their bodies cried out for calories and fat and sustenance, so they could at least begin to ready themselves for the physical ordeal of bearing children.

    Exercise, cardio fitness and strength training, will obviate the need for 'weight loss' programs or 'dieting.' Get in shape and burn more calories, see the results and develop healthier eating habits. It works. As I get older I'm getting more into cardio and running, which I always thought was kind of a waste of time and too hard on the joints. But it's actually pretty great, and I've shed about 10 pounds I didn't need without changing my diet at all. Still gotta keep up weight training to keep the bones strong and fool old brother donkey (as St Francis called his body) that we still have work to do before we call it a day.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @S. Anonyia

    The scenarios you’re describing sound like they are from the 80s and 90s, 30-40 years ago. Not applicable today. How many women are honestly dieting like that now? How many men are even dieting at all? I just see them guzzling protein powder shakes and standing idly by weight machines at the gym, usually looking 20-30 pounds overweight, albeit with some muscle under the fat layers. I don’t think people are exhausted by dieting, just lazy and want permission to be big and enjoy the immense variety of foods available without restraint. They want to be accepted for being large and are increasingly in denial about BMI. If I had a dollar for everyone who said that BMI wasn’t accurate because it didn’t measure their “muscle” or “big bones” I’d be very rich. Unless someone is an elite athlete under the age of 35, I don’t buy that.

    You’re right that running is great for you. We need to make cardio and dieting “in” again. Just look at how many commenters here are kvetching about the imaginary prospects of losing their burgers. More walkable cities would help, perhaps. I lost 8 pounds over 2 weeks visiting Ireland and Great Britain, and I didn’t even run over there like usual. Just walked and hiked a lot.

  89. anon[306] • Disclaimer says:

    If people in the public space could actually use Google, they would realize that this guy does not have an unreasoning fear of fat, fatness, fat people, et cetera. But the last thing any talking head wants to have to deal with the idea that “words have meanings”.

    Libtards have a problem with reality. They are reality-phobic.

  90. anon[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob

    “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”
     

    I see this sort of construction more and more. The other day it was about trans athletes, and “why would assigning someone to a category affect their ability?” No. What we are doing is noticing which category they fall into.

    Even “body positivists” cannot stomach calling people fat. Not even in the abstract. I think this is where the “all disparities are caused by discrimination (BadWhites)” is headed. Maybe that was the goal all along.

    Don’t get me wrong. I am sure healthcare providers “underserves” the obese (would that restaurants did the same!) It has to discouraging to be prescribing whatever while thinking “you would not need this drug if you lost 100 pounds.” But healthcare providers are constrained by physical reality. Realistically, a two hundred pound woman cannot exercise. She will do too much wear and tear to her joints, and the exercise will be so unpleasant that she won’t do it twice.

    I think gym class could help, we’re there a sea change in the people who are assigned to the gym teacher category. Too often, whether by design or for the same reason academic classes are humiliating for the dumb, gym class is about shaming nerds and fat kids. Really, the people who most need gym class, because athletes will exercise on their own. I propose segregating gym classes by ability. We do with academic classes, or used to. I am not particularly athletic, which is an understatement. I always had more fun and got more expertise when the good athletes were not there for whatever reason. Unlike academics, which has objective standards, sports are completely relative. Someone always wins. Remember the World Cup, when the alien “French” team won, and non-whites were all proud, and cucks were like, “we were right to give away our futures”? If the French team had not won, then someone else would have. Every single time.

    Sure kids would get made fun off for being in remedial gym. But they’d get some excercise. It might even help the athletic kids. Without nerds to dunk on, athletes would play people closer to their level, and hopefully realize that they are never going to the NBA. A lot of kids would have more realistic goals that way? Maybe not, it’s not like dim, clumsy black kids have lower middle class aspirations. But at least more kids would get a work out.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @res, @anon, @Marty, @Prof. Woland

    I do believe that we are living in a giant bowl of nominalism. The label defines the object. The map shapes the territory.

    If enough people in the Pentagon say “Afghanistan has an army” then everyone else will agree with that. They will expect this “army” to function pretty much like the US army.

    When the Afghan “army” turns out to be a mob of unpaid and poorly trained dim guys, all the nominalists are surprised, and look for someone to blame.

    “Considered to be” is the map. One cannot look at the territory and decide to adjust the map, no, the map absolutely is constantly reconfiguring the territory.

    It is a mix of cargo-cult and other superstitions. The geniuses who do this insist they are all about Teh Science!, reinforcing their utter lack of rational though.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @anon

    SOYBOY: I f!cking LOVE Science!

    DISSIDENTS: Good. According to Science:

    -- Obesity is unhealthy for you.
    -- Men are genetically men, women are genetically women, and this is irreversible.
    -- Celts and Slavs are more prone to alcoholism than Berbers and Nilotics.
    -- Negroes are at the bottom of the intelligence food chain.

    SOYBOY: Racist! Fat-shamer! Trans-phobe! Homophobe! Eh, you can step all over the micks and the boxheads, though, we don't care about them, they're white. (LONG PAUSE) I f!cking LOVE Science!!

  91. @res
    @Buzz Mohawk


    This is never the solution. Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake.
     
    But it is so seductive. As an example, I think Finland's policy to promote salt substitutes in processed foods is a win for public health. This paper look at a number of countries doing similar things.
    Effective population-wide public health interventions to promote sodium reduction
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2764755/

    Finland is interesting because their Pansalt has more than potassium (the typical salt substitute is just a mix of sodium and potassium chloride in varying proportions).
    https://oribalt.lv/en/24/pansalt

    Ingredients: 57 % sodium chloride, 28 % potassium chloride, 12 % magnesium sulphate, 2 % lysine hydrochloride, 1 % silicon dioxide and 0.0036 % iodine. Pansalt contains iodine 25 mg/kg.

     

    My choice for government intervention would be to encourage/subsidize the healthier alternatives (here Pansalt) rather than taxing (a decent option IMHO, though the slippery slope is pernicious) or banning (worst alternative) the "bad" choices. For Pansalt at commercial scale I suspect the price would not be that bad, but right now it is hard to find in the US at all. Someone marketed it in the mid-1990s, but I don't know what happened.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/06/nyregion/salt-substitute-from-tarrytown-company.html

    AFAICT Pansalt is either expensive or unavailable in the US. At commercial scale I think it would be much more competitive.

    P.S. Part of the solution is to stop subsidizing unhealthy food. A significant part of our agricultural programs has exactly that effect (e.g. corn subsidies and high fructose corn syrup).

    Replies: @Jack D, @stillCARealist, @Peterike, @El Dato, @Jack D

    I suspect social shaming for being fat is more effective than any new regulations about salt content.

    My dad was fat and refused to follow his cardiologist’s directives for a healthier diet. So the doctor said, “Don’t come back to me.” I like that. You don’t want to even try what the doctor ordered? Fine, but don’t come looking for more expensive care with that attitude.

    Too many people don’t even know or care about their excessive weight. That describes many of the people in my own extended family. They eat way too much and demonstrate no awareness of the consequences. Guess what? The stress on your heart and body are terrible and you will suffer for it. But they have no vices other than eating, so they eat.

  92. @slumber_j
    @Buzz Mohawk


    … and completely ignoring the superior effects EXERCISE has on health and body fat content.
     
    Right, and particularly more explosive stuff and weight training. Public-heath officialdom's emphasis on cardiovascular exercise is the equivalent of the food pyramid: take a longish brisk walk, and you're fine in that department. If you want to control weight and actually feel good, try a little lifting and sprinting--and it doesn't need to be very much, you don't need to get ripped or whatever. It's boring, but so is everything, and at least it doesn't last very long.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Anon, @3g4me

    Public-heath officialdom’s emphasis on cardiovascular exercise is the equivalent of the food pyramid: take a longish brisk walk, and you’re fine in that department.

    Are you saying that brisk walks don’t do much good?

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Anon


    Are you saying that brisk walks don’t do much good?
     
    No, just the opposite: I'm saying they check the cardio box. I'm a major practitioner of them.
  93. @Jack D
    @TomSchmidt


    Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm.
     
    No, it's not addictive in the sense that opiates are addictive. You can't overdose on sugar the way you can overdose on opiates. You are just playing word games.

    The MOST healthy thing would be for the governments to strictly prescribe our diet. Each day they would deliver to you 3 packets of human chow in convenient liquid form. Each packet would be sugar and sodium free and contain all the necessary vitamins and minerals needed to support life and the correct number of calories needed. The sale of all other food and drink would be prohibited - that would interfere with your balanced diet. It would also be illegal to grow your own food, which might interfere with the prescribed diet - you could be sneaking orange juice or honey on the side. BTW, orange juice has the same amount of sugar per ounce as Coca Cola.

    I can guarantee to you that under such a scheme, public health would be GREATLY enhanced. Diabetes would go way down. So would Covid, heart disease and many other diseases. Life expectancy would skyrocket.

    STILL, I wouldn't be in favor of this - it is contrary to what it means to live in a free country, where the government should stay out of our business (even if it is for "our own good") to the maximum extent possible and only intervene in the most serious cases with the potential for immediate bodily harm - people who are selling fentanyl, etc. What you are recommending is only a slightly less rigorous version of the same thing.

    If there is anything that we have learned from the Covid mess, it is not to trust our "elites". In case you haven't noticed, the government's dietary advice has changed over the years. Palm oil is really bad for you - let's take it out of baked goods. Never mind, it's really good and the transfats that we were pushing as substitutes (thanks for that campaign contribution P&G) are bad. Please put the palm oil back. Most of our leaders, if you got to know them personally, are not people you would trust with babysitting your dog for the weekend (Biden's dog likes to bite people). The last thing on earth I would want is to let these people dictate what I eat.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason, @Anonymous Jew, @TomSchmidt

    Libertarian twaddle.

    The government already banned asbestos, fruity flavored Juul cartridges, BPA, lead paint, and trans fat, and somehow we’re not sliding down a slippery slope of soylent deliveries.

    Drinking 64oz of sugar soda is more harmful to the body than taking a single opiate pill. And as far as addiction, virtually everyone has had a vicodin or morphine at some point in their lives, but few are addicted. On the other hand, a majority of Americans are overweight and about a third are obese.

    Nudging people to more healthful behaviors works. Cigarettes are perfectly legal, but higher taxes and place restrictions helped millions of our people avoid a painful death hacking up blood from their failing lungs.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @3g4me
    @Pixo

    @94 Pixo: You are proposing far more than 'nudging' people into more healthful behaviors. The number of vaxx notsees and food notsees at Sailer is hardly surprising - you're all so utterly convinced that you are just wise enough, just edgy enough, to not be either a left or right side 'nut job.'

    May you all live in your imagined high IQ, low sugar, low fat, multicultural paradise forever, far apart from anything icky like self responsibility and privacy and loyalty to one's own people.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  94. @nebulafox
    1) Ban booze, sugar, and junk food from your life. This is well over half the battle when it comes to American diets. Once this is done, the other parts get a lot easier, and even if this is all you do, you'll note progress.

    2) Walk somewhere every day. Get a dog. Walk to lunch or part of the way to work. Walk with your kids or your lady/man if you have them. Whatever. Just do it every day, even if you start small.

    3) Drink water. Increases fat burning rate, curbs hunger pangs.

    All three things of these things should be compatible with any schedule, no matter how busy.

    Do these things *consistently*, month in, month out, and you won't be obese at the end of the line. Some people are not going to be skinny, no matter what they try: a non-trivial part of that is genetics, so stop worrying. But miles of room between that and accepting obesity.

    Patient steadiness goes way further than explosive intensity that doesn't last when it comes to fat loss. Everything else you do on top of these three will do nothing more than increase the rate of progress.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Nicholas Stix, @Henry's Cat, @Muggles

    Drink water. Increases fat burning rate,

    What’s the theory behind this? Is there meant to be any special quality about water digested in a pure state compared to that found in other beverages or food? Or is it all to do with restricting calories by substitution?

  95. @Jack D
    @TomSchmidt


    Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm.
     
    No, it's not addictive in the sense that opiates are addictive. You can't overdose on sugar the way you can overdose on opiates. You are just playing word games.

    The MOST healthy thing would be for the governments to strictly prescribe our diet. Each day they would deliver to you 3 packets of human chow in convenient liquid form. Each packet would be sugar and sodium free and contain all the necessary vitamins and minerals needed to support life and the correct number of calories needed. The sale of all other food and drink would be prohibited - that would interfere with your balanced diet. It would also be illegal to grow your own food, which might interfere with the prescribed diet - you could be sneaking orange juice or honey on the side. BTW, orange juice has the same amount of sugar per ounce as Coca Cola.

    I can guarantee to you that under such a scheme, public health would be GREATLY enhanced. Diabetes would go way down. So would Covid, heart disease and many other diseases. Life expectancy would skyrocket.

    STILL, I wouldn't be in favor of this - it is contrary to what it means to live in a free country, where the government should stay out of our business (even if it is for "our own good") to the maximum extent possible and only intervene in the most serious cases with the potential for immediate bodily harm - people who are selling fentanyl, etc. What you are recommending is only a slightly less rigorous version of the same thing.

    If there is anything that we have learned from the Covid mess, it is not to trust our "elites". In case you haven't noticed, the government's dietary advice has changed over the years. Palm oil is really bad for you - let's take it out of baked goods. Never mind, it's really good and the transfats that we were pushing as substitutes (thanks for that campaign contribution P&G) are bad. Please put the palm oil back. Most of our leaders, if you got to know them personally, are not people you would trust with babysitting your dog for the weekend (Biden's dog likes to bite people). The last thing on earth I would want is to let these people dictate what I eat.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason, @Anonymous Jew, @TomSchmidt

    The elephant in the room is that most of the food supply in the United States comes from large corporations that own supermarkets and chains of restaurants.

    Many of the restaurants are franchised that is true but the parent corporations, as I understand it, control the menus and the sourcing of the foods.

    The solution to the obesity epidemic therefore depends on getting those corporations onside, either by getting them to volunteer to produce better food and drink, or to regulate them.

    Unfortunately it is fairly obvious that places like supermarkets find it much more profitable to sell pre-prepared and processed foods than fresh foods.

    In my personal opinion, ALL of the foods sold in supermarket bakery departments in the US have excess sugar to the extent of being sickly sweet, and this even includes the bread. Fruit pies like apple pies that should be slightly tart are usually over sweet.

    Incidentally, I don’t think it is completely true that you can’t overdose on sugar. If you are a diabetic you can. And even if you are not diabetic, if you feel sleepy after eating a sweet meal, isn’t that a form of overdosage?

    The government should perhaps award a symbolic gold star to corporations that voluntarily cut out the sale of foods that have excessive salt and sugar, and a black swastika to those corporations that do not participate, and ban black swastika corporations from government contracts, or from having their product on sale on military bases or in schools, hospitals, and prisons.

    This could be linked to a program teaching children in schools that black swastika corporations and their executives are trying to kill people, and who knows, after a few years, the black swastika corporations might be trying to earn their gold stars.

    Just a gentle nudge, or an elbow in the teeth, is all that is needed.

    PS. I am fat. I am 220 lb and 6 ft 1 in, and people often tell me that I am not fat, but I would much prefer people to tell me that I’m fat, because that will remind me to lay off the chocolate biscuits and freshly squeezed orange juice.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Jonathan Mason

    Agree about the sugar and sweetness in everything. Commercial baked goods in particular are essentially poison. I despise sweet food which is just one of many reasons I abjure processed products in general.

    But can you (or anyone) please explain why eating an orange is healthy but drinking high-pulp orange juice isn't. Sure, I understand about sugar and fiber but my theory was always that the high-pulp thing got me at least halfway there. Apparently not.

    My Plan B was adding more vodka. Still no good! WTH.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason, @TomSchmidt

    , @Stan Adams
    @Jonathan Mason

    Who are these people who are constantly telling you that you're not fat? Do you bring up the subject frequently?



    "Have some more fresh-squeezed orange juice, Jonathan!"

    "Perish the thought, Deidre! I'm frightfully bloated as it is!"

    "Oh, you silly imp! You're practically emaciated!"

    "You're far too kind, Deidre! If I gain any more weight, I'll be given my own show on TLC!"

    Women do this frequently - denigrating themselves to fish for compliments.

    "Oh, Patrick, I'm so ugly! I might as well put a paper bag over my head!"

    "Nonsense, Bethany! Your radiance eclipses that of the sun!"

    "Oh, Patrick, you're the most convincing liar I've ever met! But we both know the vile truth!"

    "You're beautiful, Bethany! Don't ever let me hear you say otherwise!"

    (She blushes with false modesty.) "Oh, Patrick, you're the most delightfully dishonest man I've ever met!"

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  96. @Jack D
    @TomSchmidt


    Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm.
     
    No, it's not addictive in the sense that opiates are addictive. You can't overdose on sugar the way you can overdose on opiates. You are just playing word games.

    The MOST healthy thing would be for the governments to strictly prescribe our diet. Each day they would deliver to you 3 packets of human chow in convenient liquid form. Each packet would be sugar and sodium free and contain all the necessary vitamins and minerals needed to support life and the correct number of calories needed. The sale of all other food and drink would be prohibited - that would interfere with your balanced diet. It would also be illegal to grow your own food, which might interfere with the prescribed diet - you could be sneaking orange juice or honey on the side. BTW, orange juice has the same amount of sugar per ounce as Coca Cola.

    I can guarantee to you that under such a scheme, public health would be GREATLY enhanced. Diabetes would go way down. So would Covid, heart disease and many other diseases. Life expectancy would skyrocket.

    STILL, I wouldn't be in favor of this - it is contrary to what it means to live in a free country, where the government should stay out of our business (even if it is for "our own good") to the maximum extent possible and only intervene in the most serious cases with the potential for immediate bodily harm - people who are selling fentanyl, etc. What you are recommending is only a slightly less rigorous version of the same thing.

    If there is anything that we have learned from the Covid mess, it is not to trust our "elites". In case you haven't noticed, the government's dietary advice has changed over the years. Palm oil is really bad for you - let's take it out of baked goods. Never mind, it's really good and the transfats that we were pushing as substitutes (thanks for that campaign contribution P&G) are bad. Please put the palm oil back. Most of our leaders, if you got to know them personally, are not people you would trust with babysitting your dog for the weekend (Biden's dog likes to bite people). The last thing on earth I would want is to let these people dictate what I eat.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason, @Anonymous Jew, @TomSchmidt

    Please put the palm oil back. Most of our leaders, if you got to know them personally, are not people you would trust with babysitting your dog for the weekend (Biden’s dog likes to bite people). The last thing on earth I would want is to let these people dictate what I eat.

    Hear, hear.

    All candidates for president should be required to demonstrate that they can train a dog properly. If you can’t manage a dog, you are certainlyly not fit to manage a country.

    Vladimir Putin’s black labrador Connie frequently participated in summits and demonstrated an excellent demeanor towards world leaders and photographers, even Angela Merkel, who is terrified of dogs.

  97. @Jack D
    @TomSchmidt


    Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm.
     
    No, it's not addictive in the sense that opiates are addictive. You can't overdose on sugar the way you can overdose on opiates. You are just playing word games.

    The MOST healthy thing would be for the governments to strictly prescribe our diet. Each day they would deliver to you 3 packets of human chow in convenient liquid form. Each packet would be sugar and sodium free and contain all the necessary vitamins and minerals needed to support life and the correct number of calories needed. The sale of all other food and drink would be prohibited - that would interfere with your balanced diet. It would also be illegal to grow your own food, which might interfere with the prescribed diet - you could be sneaking orange juice or honey on the side. BTW, orange juice has the same amount of sugar per ounce as Coca Cola.

    I can guarantee to you that under such a scheme, public health would be GREATLY enhanced. Diabetes would go way down. So would Covid, heart disease and many other diseases. Life expectancy would skyrocket.

    STILL, I wouldn't be in favor of this - it is contrary to what it means to live in a free country, where the government should stay out of our business (even if it is for "our own good") to the maximum extent possible and only intervene in the most serious cases with the potential for immediate bodily harm - people who are selling fentanyl, etc. What you are recommending is only a slightly less rigorous version of the same thing.

    If there is anything that we have learned from the Covid mess, it is not to trust our "elites". In case you haven't noticed, the government's dietary advice has changed over the years. Palm oil is really bad for you - let's take it out of baked goods. Never mind, it's really good and the transfats that we were pushing as substitutes (thanks for that campaign contribution P&G) are bad. Please put the palm oil back. Most of our leaders, if you got to know them personally, are not people you would trust with babysitting your dog for the weekend (Biden's dog likes to bite people). The last thing on earth I would want is to let these people dictate what I eat.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason, @Anonymous Jew, @TomSchmidt

    I agree. However, I would bet that sugar and high glycemic foods lead to more premature death (metabolic syndrome > heart disease et al) than just about anything else (meth, COVID etc.)*

    Speaking of COVID, if our government just banned sugar and/or foods with a high glycemic index, it would save more lives than any COVID lockdown and be far less of an infringement on our basic freedoms. I’m not in favor of either lockdowns or dietary mandates, but it’s an interesting point to raise with the lefty maskers.

    *When I gained a lot of second-child sympathy weight at around 40 years old I got so fed up with letting myself go that I went on a nearly all meat and green veggie diet (no grains, no sweets, some fruit 2-3 times a week). I was able to stick to this diet for about 2-3 months. I could not believe how quickly I lost weight while also eating to satiation. Especially considering I was 40 and half my family is fat. Sugar bad. Period.

  98. @Jack D
    @res

    If you feel that a salt substitute is healthier than sodium chloride, there are plenty available if not Pansalt. I have no idea whether Pansalt is better than other substitutes but I suspect there's not a big difference. I suspect that if you mixed the widely available Nusalt (99% potassium chloride) 50/50 with table salt that it wouldn't be that different from Pansalt. Or if you wanted to be fancy you could do 6 parts table salt, 3 parts Nusalt and 1 part Epsom salt (mag. sulphate).

    My guess (and it's only a guess) is that some people (blacks especially) are from inland places where salt was rare and their bodies are optimized for a low sodium diet while others are descended from people who lived closer to the ocean and had more access to salt and diets that were more dependent on salt preserved foods. If you are the former, then reducing sodium may be a matter of life and death, but if you are the latter, your body is already good at pissing out extra sodium and it really doesn't make much difference how much you consume. So one size does not fit all.

    If you really want to reduce sodium, cut out processed foods and eating out. That (and not table salt) is where most people get most of their sodium. Salt makes cheap low grade ingredients more appealing so that adding sodium is a cheap trick for making food taste better.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Professional Slav

    Theres some evidence that sodium is not so much the problem, but rather sodium chloride. We used to get a lot of our sodium from plants in the form of sodium bicarbonate, which doesn’t appear to raise blood pressure, and may actually lower it.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2168457/

    Furthermore the bicarbonate and citrate (metabolizes into bicarbonate) in fruits and vegetables maintain kidney and bone health.

    People should really eat more fruits and greens. I started a diet a few months ago, and after starving myself for quite a while, I found that I started craving fruit a lot. Part of that may be the sugar, but if that’s the only thing you’d think I’d want a can of pop more than an apple or some cherries, which is not at all the case. I think I’m craving the nutrients at least as much as the sugar.

    I also can’t get enough of peppers, onions, leeks, carrots, etc. I’ve lost all interest in junk food – not that I ate much before (I can cook well) – and sugar on its own is not appealing.

    I know it sounds a bit extreme, but if you really want to know what your body needs, try getting well-acquainted with hunger for an extended period and it will tell you.

    • Replies: @donut
    @Bill P

    " I found that I started craving fruit a lot." I almost never eat fruit I probably eat a piece of fruit less than once a month it's been that way all my life . Last November I was in the hosp. for 5 days when I got out I had a craving for fruit , specifically canned pears and Mandarin oranges as well as dried fruits dates , apricots and figs this went on for about 4-5 months then one day no more cravings . I also lost 28lbs which I never regained and that is contrary to expectations as most people will quickly go back to their regular weight . I attribute both of the above to the fact that I also lost any desire to drink when before I drank at least a pint of Myers dark rum daily . I haven't had a drink since I got D/C'd not through any conscious choice just lost the desire for it .
    I rarely eat salads either . One night at work I got a strong craving for vinegar and oil salad dressing . When I left work I went to the grocery store and bought the makings for a salad and a bottle of dressing . When I got home I couldn't even wait to make a salad and drank 1/2 the bottle straight away .

  99. @res
    @Rob


    “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”
     
    Let's step back and ask whether that is actually true. How do we define underserved? Because health care spending appears to (unsurprisingly) be higher for the obese.
    The Impact of Obesity on Health Care Utilization and Expenditures in a Medicare Supplement Population
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5119873/

    Abstract:

    Objective: Obesity is a contributor to increased chronic conditions resulting in higher utilization of medical services among broad populations of older adults. The objective of this study was to evaluate the magnitude of the impact of weight on health care use patterns among Medicare Supplement insureds.
    Method: We estimated the impact of weight as a function of body mass index (BMI) on health care utilization and expenditures using propensity weighted multivariate regression models. The outcomes were controlled initially for demographics and socioeconomics and then additionally for chronic conditions and health status.
    Results: Among the 9,484 survey respondents, 22.9% were obese. Those categorized as obese were significantly more likely to incur inpatient admissions and orthopedic procedures. Annualized health care expenditures were US$1,496 higher for obese compared with normal weight. The excess utilization and expenditures associated with obesity were explained by chronic conditions and poor health status.
    Conclusion: Obesity-related expenditures associated with medical management are largely preventable and may benefit from interventions that target lifestyle behaviors and weight management among older adults.
     
    This page has various breakdowns of health care spending, but nothing for overweight/obesity. Health care spending tends to follow something like an 80/20 rule and I would be surprised if the overweight and obese weren't disproportionately in the high spenders group (though elderly who have lost weight and cancer patients in general might make a counterargument).
    https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-expenditures-vary-across-population/#item-discussion-of-health-spending-often-focus-on-averages-but-a-small-share-of-the-population-incurs-most-of-the-cost_2016

    It seems like that commenter is mixing things up with this talking point.
    Diet and Obesity Issues in the Underserved
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28164812/

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @donut

    Thanks for the detail as well as the citations (your posts are always well cited, which makes them useful for discussing some of these topics outside of this blog).

    “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”

    More lack of agency. “Underserved” means Pokemon victims having to face consequences for their lifestyle, decisions, etc.

    Obese people aren’t at fault for their obesity, and a healthcare system that can’t make all obesity-related problems vanish is “underserving” them. If someone points out that obesity causes all sorts of health problems, they are a Bad Person.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @William Badwhite

    That's it exactly. Well-stated.

  100. @Alfa158
    “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”

    I like to decipher the gibberish woke people crank out because they can’t speak the truth out loud. Obviously fat people actually use more healthcare on average than fit people, not less. So if I unpack, deconstruct and decolonize that statement I think they are really saying:

    Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people considered to be in those groups by not asking them to reduce the blubber but still miraculously making them just as healthy?

    Replies: @Polistra

    Obviously fat people actually use more healthcare on average than fit people, not less.

    This goes for several professionally aggrieved groups, not just fatties. Every one of them puts next to nothing into the system but pulls out well more than her weight, so to speak.

    What they want is the splendid results that self-disciplined people achieve, without the hassle and vexation of having to work for it. What they are forever calling privilege is actually effort.

  101. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    The elephant in the room is that most of the food supply in the United States comes from large corporations that own supermarkets and chains of restaurants.

    Many of the restaurants are franchised that is true but the parent corporations, as I understand it, control the menus and the sourcing of the foods.

    The solution to the obesity epidemic therefore depends on getting those corporations onside, either by getting them to volunteer to produce better food and drink, or to regulate them.

    Unfortunately it is fairly obvious that places like supermarkets find it much more profitable to sell pre-prepared and processed foods than fresh foods.

    In my personal opinion, ALL of the foods sold in supermarket bakery departments in the US have excess sugar to the extent of being sickly sweet, and this even includes the bread. Fruit pies like apple pies that should be slightly tart are usually over sweet.

    Incidentally, I don't think it is completely true that you can't overdose on sugar. If you are a diabetic you can. And even if you are not diabetic, if you feel sleepy after eating a sweet meal, isn't that a form of overdosage?

    The government should perhaps award a symbolic gold star to corporations that voluntarily cut out the sale of foods that have excessive salt and sugar, and a black swastika to those corporations that do not participate, and ban black swastika corporations from government contracts, or from having their product on sale on military bases or in schools, hospitals, and prisons.

    This could be linked to a program teaching children in schools that black swastika corporations and their executives are trying to kill people, and who knows, after a few years, the black swastika corporations might be trying to earn their gold stars.

    Just a gentle nudge, or an elbow in the teeth, is all that is needed.

    PS. I am fat. I am 220 lb and 6 ft 1 in, and people often tell me that I am not fat, but I would much prefer people to tell me that I'm fat, because that will remind me to lay off the chocolate biscuits and freshly squeezed orange juice.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Stan Adams

    Agree about the sugar and sweetness in everything. Commercial baked goods in particular are essentially poison. I despise sweet food which is just one of many reasons I abjure processed products in general.

    But can you (or anyone) please explain why eating an orange is healthy but drinking high-pulp orange juice isn’t. Sure, I understand about sugar and fiber but my theory was always that the high-pulp thing got me at least halfway there. Apparently not.

    My Plan B was adding more vodka. Still no good! WTH.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Polistra

    When diabetics have a low blood sugar, one of the standard treatments to bring up their blood sugar quickly is to administer orange juice.

    Orange juice is nothing but pure sugar, but the amazing thing is that you can find orange juice on sale with added sugar!!

    A small glass of orange juice is fine first thing in the morning when your blood sugar is low, but don't tell me thatis not a killehave an unjustified go

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Polistra

    When diabetics have a low blood sugar, one of the standard treatments to bring up their blood sugar quickly is to administer orange juice.

    Orange juice is nothing but pure sugar, but the amazing thing is that you can find orange juice on sale with added sugar!!

    A small glass of orange juice is fine first thing in the morning when your blood sugar is low.

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Polistra

    Quantity. Drink the juice of ONE orange and they should be about the same. One Orange doesn't have that much juice.

  102. @nebulafox
    1) Ban booze, sugar, and junk food from your life. This is well over half the battle when it comes to American diets. Once this is done, the other parts get a lot easier, and even if this is all you do, you'll note progress.

    2) Walk somewhere every day. Get a dog. Walk to lunch or part of the way to work. Walk with your kids or your lady/man if you have them. Whatever. Just do it every day, even if you start small.

    3) Drink water. Increases fat burning rate, curbs hunger pangs.

    All three things of these things should be compatible with any schedule, no matter how busy.

    Do these things *consistently*, month in, month out, and you won't be obese at the end of the line. Some people are not going to be skinny, no matter what they try: a non-trivial part of that is genetics, so stop worrying. But miles of room between that and accepting obesity.

    Patient steadiness goes way further than explosive intensity that doesn't last when it comes to fat loss. Everything else you do on top of these three will do nothing more than increase the rate of progress.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Nicholas Stix, @Henry's Cat, @Muggles

    I agree with all of your main points.

    Well done!

    One caveat is that there are numerous variables, since everyone is somewhat different.

    a. Your DNA/ethnic makeup. Some are naturally heavier, others skinny.

    b. Age. No one maintains the same rate of metabolism over time (and sometimes also due to illness or injury.) My trainer tells me you need, as a man, about 10% body fat to get those famous “six pack abs.” But this percentage may be possible w/o much work at teen years or early 20s. After 30 or so, very difficult. Over sixty, nearly impossible. Your “burn rate” slows down.

    As a result even eating the same food over time will add weight. Also exercise tends to diminish over time as work usually requires sitting or less physical movement

    c. There are some hormones which affect burn rate, which will vary over time and due to other things.

    d. It is hard to eat “the same thing” over time and distances. Foods we ate when young are no longer made the same way, or even digestible due to body development and changes. Allergies, etc. When traveling it is often hard to eat from grocery stores and restaurant meals are high caloric, high fat often. Even different parts of the country have different food choices. Usually the warmer the climate the better the food selection. You also need fewer calories to keep warm.

    It is hard to change habits. I am in better shape, health-wise, than before. It has taken a lot of time to change habits.

    If “dieting” and better eating were easy, it wouldn’t be a multi billion dollar industry. All you have to do is eat better and less. Sounds easy but it’s not.

    The new fad of fat acceptance (beyond healthy) is another racist trope. Diabetes is rampant among older non Whites and non Asians. Though there are many exceptions. It is usually an avoidable tragedy, but the Woke now are desperate to maintain non White “allies” who tend to be heavier.

    So health be damned. Though this is a personal matter, not for the State to decide.

    The ultra skinny female trope is mainly a gay fashion construct. Even for males. You can only be stick thin and “healthy” in your early, mid teens. After that, biology kicks in.

    BMI should be the age adjusted measure. Science, not fads. But many aspire to be like a young teen, not like they really end up in few years. Keep eating like a 15 YO and you will blimp out by 25, unless you do hard labor.

  103. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    bmi isn’t adiposity. too much fat is bad, but so is too little lean body mass. the all cause mortality minimum is at obese or near it for old people. being a skinny old person is not good.

    The minimum mortality (estimated from the fitted proportional hazard models) occurred at a BMI of approximately 31.7 for women and 28.8 for men. The results were essentially unchanged, if analyses were weighted, if various disease states were controlled for, and if apparently unhealthy subjects were excluded.

  104. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @TomSchmidt
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Being far from NY City, Bloomberg’s nanny-statism didn’t affect me, but it was more sickening than a 64 oz Big Gulp to the health of a free society. Michael Bloomberg is a threat to a free society.
     
    Not knowing your comment history by heart, AEN, I have to ask: are you in favor of legalizing cocaine and heroin (Cocaine is actually legal and can be obtained with Prescription. So maybe I mean decriminalizing.)?

    The food companies know exactly how addictive things like salt sugar and fat are. You can read the book of that name if you want to get some of the science that went into this. Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm. Why shouldn't it be banned? Or at least licensed?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Sparkon, @Veteran Aryan, @Jack D, @anon

    yes. the only drugs which shouldn’t be sold at goverment run dispensaries at a discount to anything private are opiates/opioids and tobacco. because overdose on all other drugs is rare and tobacco is carcinogenic. addiction is a symptom of a shitty society. it’s not the drug, it’s the society. if you have a good reason to stop using, you stop. being arrested or homeless are not good reasons. see johann hari. but punitive taxes on all restaurants is just good taste.

  105. @Buzz Mohawk

    Government officials, he added, should ban or tax unhealthy food.
     
    ALARM. RED FLAG.

    This is never the solution. Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake. Yes, sometimes it is a necessary evil, which is why we have laws against things commonly known to be bad, like murder, whereas eating a Snickers bar should not be punishable by extra tax...


    ... just because some purveyor of overpriced greens says so. BTW, he is in the carbohydrate business.

    There are plenty of skinny people who drink Coke, munch snacks and never get fat. There is a lot more to this story than "Eat salads or pay tax, prole!" If anything, it was the government's idiotic food pyramid that made America fat by emphasizing carb consumption over protein...

    ... and completely ignoring the superior effects EXERCISE has on health and body fat content.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @slumber_j, @millenial, @Jack D, @res, @HA, @Half Canadian

    “Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake.”

    Whereas allowing health insurance companies to charge you more for being a tobacco user is apparently perfectly legal. Tobacco users can cry all day about “my body, my choice” and how nicotine reduces Parkinson’s disease (and that’s true, by the way), but in the end, they have to pony up at least some of whatever extra costs are associated with their lifestyle choices.

    I’d settle for the government allowing insurance companies to do something similar in the case of someone who can’t manage to get off the couch and lose a few.

    It’s admittedly a big can of worms — there’s no way gays are ever going to be required to pay more for all the high-risk behaviors they are, statistically speaking, extra enamored of (because the experts assure us that is all 100% due to homophobia, so that if anything, it’s all the uptight straights who should cover the added costs) — and the other grievance hustlers will say the same regarding their pet causes, but there is no reason a teetotaling Mormon should pay the same health insurance costs as the two-pack-a-day singer in an AC/DC tribute band.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @HA


    ... there is no reason a teetotaling Mormon should pay the same health insurance costs as the two-pack-a-day singer in an AC/DC tribute band.
     
    Oh, man, if he plays AC/DC music, I'd give him FREE health insurance! You don't want me in your government, and that's proof enough of my original argument. Nobody, especially me, should make up your own mind for you about things that don't absolutely require it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @HA

    "...the two-pack-a-day singer in an AC/DC tribute band."

    Remember: you can't really dust for vomit.

  106. That got me wondering how much of white women’s enthusiasm for the Racial Reckoning is motivated by the view of black women as the leading edge of Fat Liberation?

    Or by black men’s much greater tolerance for extra poundage in the ladies?

    black women being recently idealized as the epitome of beauty

    Many people misunderstand this word as meaning “most” or “best”, but it really refers to the most typical of examples. In the correct sense, beauty cannot have an epitome, as it would differ as much as humans do.

    Maybe the pictures were cherry-picked, but it seemed evident from those old physical anthropology texts (remember when text meant school book?) that members of tribes that were relatively “pure” but not so small as to be inbred were more likely to be pleasing to the eye, each in their own way. If you view the human race as a sunflower, they’d be at the rims of the petals.

    It’s along the crossroads of the world, from the Mediterranean through the Near and Middle East to the Subcontinent, the seeds of the sunflower, where uglier people are more likely to crop up, simply by combining features from different tribes that clashed.

    The features, not the tribes, that is, though the tribes would clash as well when not interbreeding. Make love, make war, make love, make war…

  107. @res
    @Buzz Mohawk


    This is never the solution. Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake.
     
    But it is so seductive. As an example, I think Finland's policy to promote salt substitutes in processed foods is a win for public health. This paper look at a number of countries doing similar things.
    Effective population-wide public health interventions to promote sodium reduction
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2764755/

    Finland is interesting because their Pansalt has more than potassium (the typical salt substitute is just a mix of sodium and potassium chloride in varying proportions).
    https://oribalt.lv/en/24/pansalt

    Ingredients: 57 % sodium chloride, 28 % potassium chloride, 12 % magnesium sulphate, 2 % lysine hydrochloride, 1 % silicon dioxide and 0.0036 % iodine. Pansalt contains iodine 25 mg/kg.

     

    My choice for government intervention would be to encourage/subsidize the healthier alternatives (here Pansalt) rather than taxing (a decent option IMHO, though the slippery slope is pernicious) or banning (worst alternative) the "bad" choices. For Pansalt at commercial scale I suspect the price would not be that bad, but right now it is hard to find in the US at all. Someone marketed it in the mid-1990s, but I don't know what happened.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/06/nyregion/salt-substitute-from-tarrytown-company.html

    AFAICT Pansalt is either expensive or unavailable in the US. At commercial scale I think it would be much more competitive.

    P.S. Part of the solution is to stop subsidizing unhealthy food. A significant part of our agricultural programs has exactly that effect (e.g. corn subsidies and high fructose corn syrup).

    Replies: @Jack D, @stillCARealist, @Peterike, @El Dato, @Jack D

    “I think Finland’s policy to promote salt substitutes in processed foods is a win for public health”

    The pernicious nature of salt is largely overrated. Like MSG giving you a headache — a complete myth that decades ago showed the power of suggestion to fool people.

    Cutting back on sugar is a thousand times more important than cutting back on salt.

  108. @Jack D
    @res

    If you feel that a salt substitute is healthier than sodium chloride, there are plenty available if not Pansalt. I have no idea whether Pansalt is better than other substitutes but I suspect there's not a big difference. I suspect that if you mixed the widely available Nusalt (99% potassium chloride) 50/50 with table salt that it wouldn't be that different from Pansalt. Or if you wanted to be fancy you could do 6 parts table salt, 3 parts Nusalt and 1 part Epsom salt (mag. sulphate).

    My guess (and it's only a guess) is that some people (blacks especially) are from inland places where salt was rare and their bodies are optimized for a low sodium diet while others are descended from people who lived closer to the ocean and had more access to salt and diets that were more dependent on salt preserved foods. If you are the former, then reducing sodium may be a matter of life and death, but if you are the latter, your body is already good at pissing out extra sodium and it really doesn't make much difference how much you consume. So one size does not fit all.

    If you really want to reduce sodium, cut out processed foods and eating out. That (and not table salt) is where most people get most of their sodium. Salt makes cheap low grade ingredients more appealing so that adding sodium is a cheap trick for making food taste better.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Professional Slav

    Interesting theory on the proximity to ocean but I don’t think that’s correct. For example polynesia (or micronesia) are islands, ocean on all sides, and yet they have something like 80% obesity and hypertension prevalence on some islands. Probably because of introduction of Western excessive sodium McDonald’s style diets.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Professional Slav

    Their problem might not be salt but sugar or fatty meats or something. Their pre-contact diet consisted mainly of taro root and sweet potatoes (which are starchy but the starch is somewhat different from the starches commonly found in Western foods) and seafood. Very little meat (a little dog now and then, a pig on special occasions) and very little fat aside from coconut. I'm not sure it was the healthiest diet to begin with in terms of longevity (vs. strength) but they were probably more optimized for it than whatever they are eating now.

    Generally speaking, the best diet for getting fat is one with a lot of variety which whets your appetite. If you are eating the same thing every day, even if it is high calorie (poi) you are going to get sick of it and not eat as much.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Foreign Expert
    @Professional Slav

    My guess, in the case of obese Pacific Islanders, is that only relatively chubby people tended to survive the long ocean voyages involved in the original settling of the islands.

  109. So maybe a lot of white women are enthusiastic about black women being recently idealized as the epitome of beauty because they sense that if sometimes comes to adore 190 pound black women that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?

    Though it’s true that many liberal white women have made a conspicuous effort to make themselves less physically attractive over the last 20+ years, I’m guessing that there are still many who wear their magnanimity towards the less attractive in the same way they would wear makeup or a new outfit. Maybe these white women believe that taking on a generous attitude to the (visually) less fortunate enhances their own beauty some way. It would be similar to the rich “caring” for the poor, but rarely in ways that detract significantly from their own personal wealth. What could make a rich person feel rich better than philanthropy?

  110. In other news …

    what the media calls “refugees” and “asylum seekers” and “migrants” are piling up on the borders of Poland, Lithuania and Latvia.

    And–as usual–amazingly these refugees look like military age young men. And as usual NGOs are showing up and “activists” are doing stuff like cutting through the fences.

    At some point the people of the West are going to relearn that maintaining a nation–as with maintaining rule-of-law–requires the willingness to use any and all force including killing the miscreants trying to breach it … or there simply won’t be a “West”.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @AnotherDad


    And–as usual–amazingly these refugees look like military age young men.
     
    A basic part of the pattern, I've noticed, is that the first photos of each new invasion show this basic truth. Then the editors notice and by Day 2 the pics have been replaced with the women-and-children routine.

    Sometimes they really have to scrounge to find what they want, too. Sometimes I wonder if they're so desperate for a pic of a crying child that they slap the kids themselves. Naaah. Hmm. Maybe? Naaah. Hmm.
  111. @Buzz Mohawk

    Government officials, he added, should ban or tax unhealthy food.
     
    ALARM. RED FLAG.

    This is never the solution. Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake. Yes, sometimes it is a necessary evil, which is why we have laws against things commonly known to be bad, like murder, whereas eating a Snickers bar should not be punishable by extra tax...


    ... just because some purveyor of overpriced greens says so. BTW, he is in the carbohydrate business.

    There are plenty of skinny people who drink Coke, munch snacks and never get fat. There is a lot more to this story than "Eat salads or pay tax, prole!" If anything, it was the government's idiotic food pyramid that made America fat by emphasizing carb consumption over protein...

    ... and completely ignoring the superior effects EXERCISE has on health and body fat content.

    Replies: @anonymous coward, @slumber_j, @millenial, @Jack D, @res, @HA, @Half Canadian

    If there is an expectation for providing services (ie, health care), then there should be taxes on products or services that increase the likelihood of using those services.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Half Canadian

    No. You are wrong, because nobody can be trusted to decide what those "products or services that increase the likelihood of using those services" ARE.

    Do you, my Canadian friend, even understand this?

    I realize your country, your people, have lived under the wealth, benefit and sheer FIGHT of my people. (I mean MY people, not, for God's sake, yours, your loyalist yours!)_ I would have too, but I haven't had the luxury you have.

    So, let's get back to facts. "Taxes on products or services that increase the likelihood of using those services."

    LOL

    I understand, but I also understand the impossibility of determining exactly who/whom is either a cause / or a beneficiary of such reasoning.

    Your country is still a pathetic vestige of the old Empire, and your comment is part of that.

    In other, simple, words, who, exactly, is to decide which "products or services" should be thus managed?

    Replies: @res

  112. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    The elephant in the room is that most of the food supply in the United States comes from large corporations that own supermarkets and chains of restaurants.

    Many of the restaurants are franchised that is true but the parent corporations, as I understand it, control the menus and the sourcing of the foods.

    The solution to the obesity epidemic therefore depends on getting those corporations onside, either by getting them to volunteer to produce better food and drink, or to regulate them.

    Unfortunately it is fairly obvious that places like supermarkets find it much more profitable to sell pre-prepared and processed foods than fresh foods.

    In my personal opinion, ALL of the foods sold in supermarket bakery departments in the US have excess sugar to the extent of being sickly sweet, and this even includes the bread. Fruit pies like apple pies that should be slightly tart are usually over sweet.

    Incidentally, I don't think it is completely true that you can't overdose on sugar. If you are a diabetic you can. And even if you are not diabetic, if you feel sleepy after eating a sweet meal, isn't that a form of overdosage?

    The government should perhaps award a symbolic gold star to corporations that voluntarily cut out the sale of foods that have excessive salt and sugar, and a black swastika to those corporations that do not participate, and ban black swastika corporations from government contracts, or from having their product on sale on military bases or in schools, hospitals, and prisons.

    This could be linked to a program teaching children in schools that black swastika corporations and their executives are trying to kill people, and who knows, after a few years, the black swastika corporations might be trying to earn their gold stars.

    Just a gentle nudge, or an elbow in the teeth, is all that is needed.

    PS. I am fat. I am 220 lb and 6 ft 1 in, and people often tell me that I am not fat, but I would much prefer people to tell me that I'm fat, because that will remind me to lay off the chocolate biscuits and freshly squeezed orange juice.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Stan Adams

    Who are these people who are constantly telling you that you’re not fat? Do you bring up the subject frequently?

    [MORE]

    “Have some more fresh-squeezed orange juice, Jonathan!”

    “Perish the thought, Deidre! I’m frightfully bloated as it is!”

    “Oh, you silly imp! You’re practically emaciated!”

    “You’re far too kind, Deidre! If I gain any more weight, I’ll be given my own show on TLC!”

    Women do this frequently – denigrating themselves to fish for compliments.

    “Oh, Patrick, I’m so ugly! I might as well put a paper bag over my head!”

    “Nonsense, Bethany! Your radiance eclipses that of the sun!”

    “Oh, Patrick, you’re the most convincing liar I’ve ever met! But we both know the vile truth!”

    “You’re beautiful, Bethany! Don’t ever let me hear you say otherwise!”

    (She blushes with false modesty.) “Oh, Patrick, you’re the most delightfully dishonest man I’ve ever met!”

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Stan Adams

    No, but sometimes people will comment in restaurants that have I have eaten less than half the food on my plate, and I will say that it was enough for me and I am already too fat. And then they will say "no you're not too fat." They never say "yes you are right, you are too fat".

    But I know I am too fat when I have a hard time tying my shoes or cutting my toenails.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  113. @HA
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake."

    Whereas allowing health insurance companies to charge you more for being a tobacco user is apparently perfectly legal. Tobacco users can cry all day about "my body, my choice" and how nicotine reduces Parkinson's disease (and that's true, by the way), but in the end, they have to pony up at least some of whatever extra costs are associated with their lifestyle choices.

    I'd settle for the government allowing insurance companies to do something similar in the case of someone who can't manage to get off the couch and lose a few.

    It's admittedly a big can of worms -- there's no way gays are ever going to be required to pay more for all the high-risk behaviors they are, statistically speaking, extra enamored of (because the experts assure us that is all 100% due to homophobia, so that if anything, it's all the uptight straights who should cover the added costs) -- and the other grievance hustlers will say the same regarding their pet causes, but there is no reason a teetotaling Mormon should pay the same health insurance costs as the two-pack-a-day singer in an AC/DC tribute band.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Gary in Gramercy

    … there is no reason a teetotaling Mormon should pay the same health insurance costs as the two-pack-a-day singer in an AC/DC tribute band.

    Oh, man, if he plays AC/DC music, I’d give him FREE health insurance! You don’t want me in your government, and that’s proof enough of my original argument. Nobody, especially me, should make up your own mind for you about things that don’t absolutely require it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Oh, man, if he plays AC/DC music, I’d give him FREE health insurance!
     
    That sounds like a highway to hell.
  114. @Bill P
    @Jack D

    Theres some evidence that sodium is not so much the problem, but rather sodium chloride. We used to get a lot of our sodium from plants in the form of sodium bicarbonate, which doesn't appear to raise blood pressure, and may actually lower it.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2168457/

    Furthermore the bicarbonate and citrate (metabolizes into bicarbonate) in fruits and vegetables maintain kidney and bone health.

    People should really eat more fruits and greens. I started a diet a few months ago, and after starving myself for quite a while, I found that I started craving fruit a lot. Part of that may be the sugar, but if that's the only thing you'd think I'd want a can of pop more than an apple or some cherries, which is not at all the case. I think I'm craving the nutrients at least as much as the sugar.

    I also can't get enough of peppers, onions, leeks, carrots, etc. I've lost all interest in junk food - not that I ate much before (I can cook well) - and sugar on its own is not appealing.

    I know it sounds a bit extreme, but if you really want to know what your body needs, try getting well-acquainted with hunger for an extended period and it will tell you.

    Replies: @donut

    ” I found that I started craving fruit a lot.” I almost never eat fruit I probably eat a piece of fruit less than once a month it’s been that way all my life . Last November I was in the hosp. for 5 days when I got out I had a craving for fruit , specifically canned pears and Mandarin oranges as well as dried fruits dates , apricots and figs this went on for about 4-5 months then one day no more cravings . I also lost 28lbs which I never regained and that is contrary to expectations as most people will quickly go back to their regular weight . I attribute both of the above to the fact that I also lost any desire to drink when before I drank at least a pint of Myers dark rum daily . I haven’t had a drink since I got D/C’d not through any conscious choice just lost the desire for it .
    I rarely eat salads either . One night at work I got a strong craving for vinegar and oil salad dressing . When I left work I went to the grocery store and bought the makings for a salad and a bottle of dressing . When I got home I couldn’t even wait to make a salad and drank 1/2 the bottle straight away .

  115. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s a mental-physical connection in that those who are morbidly obese have high levels of depression, anxiety and other mood disorders. Lots of them settle on the notion that were fat acceptance to be universally embraced and they were regarded as being just as hot as anyone else their problems would melt away as they fly off on a magic carpet ride. This is just a rationalization; they’ll still suffer from whatever issues they have. Feminism turned out not to lead to a state of bliss after all so now many women are unhappy, self-medicating with food and empty entertainment, taking psychiatric medications, wondering if the ‘right one’ exists, making pet dogs the center of their life, etc. That being overweight is unhealthy is well known yet gets ignored like smokers who keep reaching for another one despite all the warnings. The future is just an abstraction; it’ll never come. Losing weight isn’t really all that hard or mysterious. What’s hard is finding the motivation to do what needs to be done and follow through with it on a longer term basis.

  116. @HA
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake."

    Whereas allowing health insurance companies to charge you more for being a tobacco user is apparently perfectly legal. Tobacco users can cry all day about "my body, my choice" and how nicotine reduces Parkinson's disease (and that's true, by the way), but in the end, they have to pony up at least some of whatever extra costs are associated with their lifestyle choices.

    I'd settle for the government allowing insurance companies to do something similar in the case of someone who can't manage to get off the couch and lose a few.

    It's admittedly a big can of worms -- there's no way gays are ever going to be required to pay more for all the high-risk behaviors they are, statistically speaking, extra enamored of (because the experts assure us that is all 100% due to homophobia, so that if anything, it's all the uptight straights who should cover the added costs) -- and the other grievance hustlers will say the same regarding their pet causes, but there is no reason a teetotaling Mormon should pay the same health insurance costs as the two-pack-a-day singer in an AC/DC tribute band.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Gary in Gramercy

    “…the two-pack-a-day singer in an AC/DC tribute band.”

    Remember: you can’t really dust for vomit.

  117. @Achmed E. Newman

    So maybe a lot of white women are enthusiastic about black women being recently idealized as the epitome of beauty because they sense that if sometimes comes to adore 190 pound black women that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?
     
    That theory only goes as far as the first guy that doesn't look at them. A big part of women's lives has to do with getting men to look at them a certain way. A girl can rationalize that it's perfectly fine that she's ballooned out right up until she leaves the house and doesn't have any guys looking at any specific parts of her body.

    It's hard to fool Mother Nature. They tried it with margarine in the 1970s. They got a few good decades of sales, but ...

    As far as black women getting down to 190 lb., good on 'em!

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Old Prude, @R.G. Camara

    A very sad thing has been what has happened to beauty pageants.

    At first they were local debutante affairs, where all the young virgins who had just reached “of age” were displayed so the men looking to wife up could be sure they were allowed to hit on them and to oogle.

    Then they became this affair as a career stepping stone that women on-the-make used to get into showbiz. Men’s interest in the events was optional but less required. Rich men could oogle and get a young trophy wife if they wanted.

    Now it’s a gay.female ghetto (to steal from whiskey), where homos and sluts rank the next reality stars on their ability to speak wokism the most.

    So sad.

  118. @res
    @Rob


    “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”
     
    Let's step back and ask whether that is actually true. How do we define underserved? Because health care spending appears to (unsurprisingly) be higher for the obese.
    The Impact of Obesity on Health Care Utilization and Expenditures in a Medicare Supplement Population
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5119873/

    Abstract:

    Objective: Obesity is a contributor to increased chronic conditions resulting in higher utilization of medical services among broad populations of older adults. The objective of this study was to evaluate the magnitude of the impact of weight on health care use patterns among Medicare Supplement insureds.
    Method: We estimated the impact of weight as a function of body mass index (BMI) on health care utilization and expenditures using propensity weighted multivariate regression models. The outcomes were controlled initially for demographics and socioeconomics and then additionally for chronic conditions and health status.
    Results: Among the 9,484 survey respondents, 22.9% were obese. Those categorized as obese were significantly more likely to incur inpatient admissions and orthopedic procedures. Annualized health care expenditures were US$1,496 higher for obese compared with normal weight. The excess utilization and expenditures associated with obesity were explained by chronic conditions and poor health status.
    Conclusion: Obesity-related expenditures associated with medical management are largely preventable and may benefit from interventions that target lifestyle behaviors and weight management among older adults.
     
    This page has various breakdowns of health care spending, but nothing for overweight/obesity. Health care spending tends to follow something like an 80/20 rule and I would be surprised if the overweight and obese weren't disproportionately in the high spenders group (though elderly who have lost weight and cancer patients in general might make a counterargument).
    https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-expenditures-vary-across-population/#item-discussion-of-health-spending-often-focus-on-averages-but-a-small-share-of-the-population-incurs-most-of-the-cost_2016

    It seems like that commenter is mixing things up with this talking point.
    Diet and Obesity Issues in the Underserved
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28164812/

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @donut

    “Health care spending tends to follow something like an 80/20 rule” , the Pareto principal does apply to health care utilization as it does to many things in nature .
    An ER nurse in Reno Nev. did a study of the visits to the ER of the local “frequent flyers” and 20% of the pts. accounted for 80% of the ER visits .
    No Gov’t action or spending is going to negate this natural law . Even if obesity could be entirely eliminated then another population of pts. would take their place . But action must be taken .
    I wonder if 80% of the “for your own good” policies are instigated by 20% of the pop.

  119. @Anon
    @slumber_j


    Public-heath officialdom’s emphasis on cardiovascular exercise is the equivalent of the food pyramid: take a longish brisk walk, and you’re fine in that department.
     
    Are you saying that brisk walks don’t do much good?

    Replies: @slumber_j

    Are you saying that brisk walks don’t do much good?

    No, just the opposite: I’m saying they check the cardio box. I’m a major practitioner of them.

  120. @Professional Slav
    @Jack D

    Interesting theory on the proximity to ocean but I don't think that's correct. For example polynesia (or micronesia) are islands, ocean on all sides, and yet they have something like 80% obesity and hypertension prevalence on some islands. Probably because of introduction of Western excessive sodium McDonald's style diets.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Foreign Expert

    Their problem might not be salt but sugar or fatty meats or something. Their pre-contact diet consisted mainly of taro root and sweet potatoes (which are starchy but the starch is somewhat different from the starches commonly found in Western foods) and seafood. Very little meat (a little dog now and then, a pig on special occasions) and very little fat aside from coconut. I’m not sure it was the healthiest diet to begin with in terms of longevity (vs. strength) but they were probably more optimized for it than whatever they are eating now.

    Generally speaking, the best diet for getting fat is one with a lot of variety which whets your appetite. If you are eating the same thing every day, even if it is high calorie (poi) you are going to get sick of it and not eat as much.

    • Thanks: Professional Slav
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    I assume "pig" in this context is a euphemism.

  121. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "Ingest whatever you want, and by God, enjoy it!"

    The cannibal's credo.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Okay, buy why skulls?

    Furthermore, your comment implies that any normal person in our community/family would ever want to consume such things.

    Think about it.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Buzz Mohawk

    when you combine omerta, bushido, and shakespeare, you "kill some folks" as obama might say.

    meine ehre heisst treue = omerta, bushido

    +

    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-i-must-be-cruel-only-to-be-kind-thus-bad-begins-and-worse-remains-behind-william-shakespeare-37-48-17.jpg

  122. ‘should ban or tax unhealthy food’

    Food is food. It has no capacity to be ‘unhealthy.’ Only if toxic could it be ‘unhealthy.’

    Gamecock’s test of food: Would it have helped people at Auschwitz?

    If yes, it isn’t “bad” or “unhealthy.”

    Gluttony isn’t the food’s fault.

  123. @Carol
    Is there a obesity/IQ correlation? It seems like most fat people fall into the stupid category. (And are crazy, because they have to rationalize what they're doing to themselves.)

    Or does fat make you stupid?

    Replies: @Kratoklastes, @res

    Is there a obesity/IQ correlation?

    Yes, there is an obesity/IQ correlation – just as there is a smoking/IQ correlation and a religiosity/IQ correlation.

    Turns out that higher g leads to better outcomes over a range of decisions with long-tailed consequences (and yes, there are long-tailed consequences to entrusting your future to an imaginary sky wizard). Higher IQ enables a more epistemic (fact-based) and less doxastic (belief-based) life.

    None of this should come as a surprise: it should be expected a priori.

  124. @TomSchmidt
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    We need an arrrgh button!

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @the one they call Desanex

    We need an arrrgh button!

    Check your spelling. The Official Scrabble Players Dictionary allows aargh, aarrgh, and aarrghh. (I once made a bingo in Scrabble with the word aarrghh, using a blank tile as one of the aitches.)

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @the one they call Desanex

    That is impressive. I'll double-a it next time.

  125. @res
    @Buzz Mohawk


    This is never the solution. Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake.
     
    But it is so seductive. As an example, I think Finland's policy to promote salt substitutes in processed foods is a win for public health. This paper look at a number of countries doing similar things.
    Effective population-wide public health interventions to promote sodium reduction
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2764755/

    Finland is interesting because their Pansalt has more than potassium (the typical salt substitute is just a mix of sodium and potassium chloride in varying proportions).
    https://oribalt.lv/en/24/pansalt

    Ingredients: 57 % sodium chloride, 28 % potassium chloride, 12 % magnesium sulphate, 2 % lysine hydrochloride, 1 % silicon dioxide and 0.0036 % iodine. Pansalt contains iodine 25 mg/kg.

     

    My choice for government intervention would be to encourage/subsidize the healthier alternatives (here Pansalt) rather than taxing (a decent option IMHO, though the slippery slope is pernicious) or banning (worst alternative) the "bad" choices. For Pansalt at commercial scale I suspect the price would not be that bad, but right now it is hard to find in the US at all. Someone marketed it in the mid-1990s, but I don't know what happened.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/06/nyregion/salt-substitute-from-tarrytown-company.html

    AFAICT Pansalt is either expensive or unavailable in the US. At commercial scale I think it would be much more competitive.

    P.S. Part of the solution is to stop subsidizing unhealthy food. A significant part of our agricultural programs has exactly that effect (e.g. corn subsidies and high fructose corn syrup).

    Replies: @Jack D, @stillCARealist, @Peterike, @El Dato, @Jack D

    Why would one need a salt substitute?

    People who don’t get rid of salt have a big metabolic problem, but it has nothing to do with salt. In fact, AFAIK the link between hypertension and salt uptake, which is still haunting the medical profession like the ghost of homeopathy, is causally backwards.

    • Replies: @res
    @El Dato

    FWIW, I think the hypertension/salt connection is more a matter of hypertension being caused by an excess of dietary sodium relative to potassium (high Na/K ratio) rather than just sodium intake by itself. There is a research literature about this (a quick search shows a fair amount in the last 10 years), but here is an older book on the topic.
    https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-High-Blood-Pressure-Solution/Richard-D-Moore/9780892819751

    The reason to focus on a salt substitute is it allows modification of the NA/K ratio with minimum effort and little change in habits.

    As others have noted, cutting down on sugar is probably even more important, but IMHO much harder.

  126. @Half Canadian
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If there is an expectation for providing services (ie, health care), then there should be taxes on products or services that increase the likelihood of using those services.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    No. You are wrong, because nobody can be trusted to decide what those “products or services that increase the likelihood of using those services” ARE.

    Do you, my Canadian friend, even understand this?

    I realize your country, your people, have lived under the wealth, benefit and sheer FIGHT of my people. (I mean MY people, not, for God’s sake, yours, your loyalist yours!)_ I would have too, but I haven’t had the luxury you have.

    So, let’s get back to facts. “Taxes on products or services that increase the likelihood of using those services.”

    LOL

    I understand, but I also understand the impossibility of determining exactly who/whom is either a cause / or a beneficiary of such reasoning.

    Your country is still a pathetic vestige of the old Empire, and your comment is part of that.

    In other, simple, words, who, exactly, is to decide which “products or services” should be thus managed?

    • Replies: @res
    @Buzz Mohawk


    In other, simple, words, who, exactly, is to decide which “products or services” should be thus managed?
     
    That is exactly the problem. And anyone who has paid attention to various horrible official dietary recommendations of the last 50+ years should be able to see it quite clearly.
  127. @Polistra
    @Jonathan Mason

    Agree about the sugar and sweetness in everything. Commercial baked goods in particular are essentially poison. I despise sweet food which is just one of many reasons I abjure processed products in general.

    But can you (or anyone) please explain why eating an orange is healthy but drinking high-pulp orange juice isn't. Sure, I understand about sugar and fiber but my theory was always that the high-pulp thing got me at least halfway there. Apparently not.

    My Plan B was adding more vodka. Still no good! WTH.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason, @TomSchmidt

    When diabetics have a low blood sugar, one of the standard treatments to bring up their blood sugar quickly is to administer orange juice.

    Orange juice is nothing but pure sugar, but the amazing thing is that you can find orange juice on sale with added sugar!!

    A small glass of orange juice is fine first thing in the morning when your blood sugar is low, but don’t tell me thatis not a killehave an unjustified go

  128. @Polistra
    @Jonathan Mason

    Agree about the sugar and sweetness in everything. Commercial baked goods in particular are essentially poison. I despise sweet food which is just one of many reasons I abjure processed products in general.

    But can you (or anyone) please explain why eating an orange is healthy but drinking high-pulp orange juice isn't. Sure, I understand about sugar and fiber but my theory was always that the high-pulp thing got me at least halfway there. Apparently not.

    My Plan B was adding more vodka. Still no good! WTH.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason, @TomSchmidt

    When diabetics have a low blood sugar, one of the standard treatments to bring up their blood sugar quickly is to administer orange juice.

    Orange juice is nothing but pure sugar, but the amazing thing is that you can find orange juice on sale with added sugar!!

    A small glass of orange juice is fine first thing in the morning when your blood sugar is low.

  129. @Stan Adams
    @Jonathan Mason

    Who are these people who are constantly telling you that you're not fat? Do you bring up the subject frequently?



    "Have some more fresh-squeezed orange juice, Jonathan!"

    "Perish the thought, Deidre! I'm frightfully bloated as it is!"

    "Oh, you silly imp! You're practically emaciated!"

    "You're far too kind, Deidre! If I gain any more weight, I'll be given my own show on TLC!"

    Women do this frequently - denigrating themselves to fish for compliments.

    "Oh, Patrick, I'm so ugly! I might as well put a paper bag over my head!"

    "Nonsense, Bethany! Your radiance eclipses that of the sun!"

    "Oh, Patrick, you're the most convincing liar I've ever met! But we both know the vile truth!"

    "You're beautiful, Bethany! Don't ever let me hear you say otherwise!"

    (She blushes with false modesty.) "Oh, Patrick, you're the most delightfully dishonest man I've ever met!"

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    No, but sometimes people will comment in restaurants that have I have eaten less than half the food on my plate, and I will say that it was enough for me and I am already too fat. And then they will say “no you’re not too fat.” They never say “yes you are right, you are too fat”.

    But I know I am too fat when I have a hard time tying my shoes or cutting my toenails.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Jonathan Mason

    I weigh more than you, but I’m quite flexible. I can stand easily on one leg, so I don’t have any problem cutting my toenails.

    Typically, I sit down to tie my shoelaces. I also sit down when I have to remove those horrible sandbars from my shoes and socks.


    I don’t believe you
     
    Here’s a video:

    https://streamable.com/12hnxi
  130. @Buzz Mohawk
    @HA


    ... there is no reason a teetotaling Mormon should pay the same health insurance costs as the two-pack-a-day singer in an AC/DC tribute band.
     
    Oh, man, if he plays AC/DC music, I'd give him FREE health insurance! You don't want me in your government, and that's proof enough of my original argument. Nobody, especially me, should make up your own mind for you about things that don't absolutely require it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Oh, man, if he plays AC/DC music, I’d give him FREE health insurance!

    That sounds like a highway to hell.

  131. anon[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    According to this source, black women weigh 16 pounds more than white women.

    https://www.medicinenet.com/weight_women/article.htm

    Non-Hispanic Asian: 132.4 pounds
    Hispanic: 169 pounds
    Non-Hispanic White: 170.9 pounds
    Non-Hispanic Black: 186.1 pounds


    I doubt White women are all that enthused since they're already obese.
    Asian women were always the beauty ideal anyway. It's Asian women's presence everybody is afraid of.

    I was surprised Latinas weigh less but they are about an inch shorter. Hispanics have less muscle mass, as well.

    Replies: @anon

    I doubt White women are all that enthused since they’re already obese.
    Asian women were always the beauty ideal anyway. It’s Asian women’s presence everybody is afraid of.

    Asian women are the beauty ideal for HBD white guys who can’t attract attractive white women

    How many successful white guys with sex appeal date Asian women? Almost none

    How many HBDers date Asian women? A lot of them

    How many of the white women who date successful white men would date an HBDer? None

    How many Asian women who date HBDErs would date a successful white guy? All of them

    • Replies: @Anon
    @anon

    Cope.

    Randomized studies (involving regular people) have consistently found that Asian women are perceived as more attractive than white women. Not single study has ever found that white women are preferred. Asian women get all the successful whife guys, drive through an upscale neighborhood some day.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1068/p5191

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3276508/

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0265407514541074 (study involving mostly WMAF)


    Compared with intraracial daters, interracial daters reported that their partners saw them more positively on attractiveness, cerebral, and relational attributes (Study 1), rated their partners more positively on attractiveness and cerebral attributes (Study 2), and were rated by independent coders as more physically attractive (Study 3). Implications are discussed.
     

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anon, @anon

  132. @Jim Christian
    The fatties are everywhere. We don't have any blaxx around here for white female fatties to compete with, but fatties there are aplenty. Mexicans coming up from below the border are nearly ALL massively obese, I notice. White women enthusiastically rooting for the Racial Reckoning are about black dick, mostly. Well, until their new black masters beat them black (heh) and blue. White women are no heros to black women from the sound of it and white women are happy to get fat without the example of black fatties.

    Fatties are gross, by the way, fuggin disgusting. They're all on my got no time for list.

    Replies: @sparx

    There has to be something wrong with you
    You have to be short and/or bald and/or ugly, which is why you can’t get laid

    Good looking guys don’t give a second thought about fat women

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @sparx

    6'1, 200. You idiot. Wassamatter, you a fatsoe? For the moment, I got more women around than I got time to reject for being chubby. But even a short, squat incel doesn't hammer these ugly white fatties anywhere. That's why fatties are pissed off. Only blacks will bang em.

  133. @anon
    @Rob

    I do believe that we are living in a giant bowl of nominalism. The label defines the object. The map shapes the territory.

    If enough people in the Pentagon say "Afghanistan has an army" then everyone else will agree with that. They will expect this "army" to function pretty much like the US army.

    When the Afghan "army" turns out to be a mob of unpaid and poorly trained dim guys, all the nominalists are surprised, and look for someone to blame.

    "Considered to be" is the map. One cannot look at the territory and decide to adjust the map, no, the map absolutely is constantly reconfiguring the territory.

    It is a mix of cargo-cult and other superstitions. The geniuses who do this insist they are all about Teh Science!, reinforcing their utter lack of rational though.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    SOYBOY: I f!cking LOVE Science!

    DISSIDENTS: Good. According to Science:

    — Obesity is unhealthy for you.
    — Men are genetically men, women are genetically women, and this is irreversible.
    — Celts and Slavs are more prone to alcoholism than Berbers and Nilotics.
    — Negroes are at the bottom of the intelligence food chain.

    SOYBOY: Racist! Fat-shamer! Trans-phobe! Homophobe! Eh, you can step all over the micks and the boxheads, though, we don’t care about them, they’re white. (LONG PAUSE) I f!cking LOVE Science!!

  134. To paraphrase Peter Noone’s childhood Davyhulme neighbor, salad is slaughter. I never know whether to post mad (on-topic) ideas in comments here, to establish originality, or to save them for some commercial opportunity, and risk letting someone like this get there first:

    If meat is murder, then salad is slaughter

    “Open Slaughter” would be an edgy name for a café:

    A salad restaurant near a memorial to the victims of the Nanjing Massacre has covered its sign because the pronunciation of the shop’s name sounds like the Chinese word for “slaughter,”

    Sounds Like Slaughter: Salad Shop Covers Insensitive Sign

  135. @Leo D
    Two thoughts...

    One...everyone has to learn to manage their body type...ectomorph, mesomorph, or endomorph, which are either a curse or a gift, depending on your point of view, from your parents...100% genetic.

    Also, exercise has little to do with weight and obesity. That is almost entirely about what and how much one eats. Exercise goes to fitness and health, yes, but not so much weight.

    Two...the 'body positivity' thing has been, and will continue to be, disastrous with regard to any attempt to get people to take responsibility for their own health choices. It is basically an easy out for fat people.

    Losing weight, getting back into shape after years of slack behavior, and then maintaining, is unbelievably difficult to do. It requires changing years, if not decades of bad habits...and it requires incredible dedication, as all gains are incremental and minute from day to day.

    People love to assume and posture that healthy and fit people "are just born that way", when in actuality, it requires dedication, structure, and discipline. Sure, it is easier for some, and more difficult for others, but again, that usually boils down to body type, and we all need to have realistic expectations of the end results based on that.

    Finally, it requires that one actually CARE about one's own health, and I think that is terribly lacking today...again the 'body positivity' thing is an out, as well as it tells people that they are just 'great' no matter how fat they are. Well, maybe you are great, but you're not healthy.

    I remember being at the optometrist years ago, and as I was waiting for the doc I could hear a conversation from the next room where the doctor was pleading, and I do mean pleading, with the patient to do this or that or they would surely continue to lose their visual faculties. Curious, I wandered down the hall past the room and took a glance...young morbidly obese black women, maybe mid-twenties sitting on exam table while doctor was standing right next to her. She had her head turned away from him buried in her phone...absolutely ignoring him while he was trying to counsel her out of GOING BLIND...and she couldn't give two shits about it.

    I'll never forget it...was probably a decade ago, and I remember it like it was yesterday...

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes, @Spect3r

    Curious, I wandered down the hall past the room and took a glance…young morbidly obese black women, maybe mid-twenties sitting on exam table while doctor was standing right next to her. She had her head turned away from him buried in her phone…absolutely ignoring him while he was trying to counsel her out of GOING BLIND…and she couldn’t give two shits about it.

    When blacks need an excuse for ignoring medical advice, they say “Tuskegee Experiment”.

    Though some will say “Tuskegee Airmen”, thinking that the Tuskegee Airmen must have been the subjects in the Tuskegee Experiment.

    The Tuskegee Experiment is an example of what Steve calls Antiquarianism, with claims of its current relevance growing even as the “Experiment” recedes into the distant past.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Calvin Hobbes

    Welp, there was no "Tuskegee Experiment" in the first place.

    There WAS, however, a "Tuskegee STUDY" of syphilis. Which was a good place for it. Macon County, Alabama, the county where Tuskegee is the seat, had the highest percentage of venereal disease in the U.S. at the time.

    The "facts" about the Tuskegee Study are basically a bunch of BS.

  136. I’d be interested to know more about the attitudes of white women toward Asian women. I think we generally know the attitude of many Asian men toward AM/WF couples (good) and AF/WM couples (bad). But how do white women see Asian women and vice versa? I’m fairly certain white women do not regard black women as a threat–which is why every image of obese black women are predictably showered with compliments from white women–but Asian women not so much?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    I’m a White woman. We don’t care much. Even in California with so many WM AF couples.

    Plus, the last names tend to be German British NW European. And since Asian women are eugenists and select their White breeding stock husbands for height, pale skin, light to brown, never black hair and the Holy Grail, blue eyes as well as the Green Card, the kids usually, generally look White until you check out the cheekbones. It also seems more of a Jewish man asian woman thing. And have common Anglo German Irish type names But always a fair, not brunette Jew.

    Generally speaking. The MEN OF UNZ are far, far more concerned with strangers sex lives marriages, kids , fertility, tattoos , birth control. hair styles etc than normal men and women.

    Replies: @BB753, @Malcolm X-Lax

    , @John Johnson
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    Single women of any race view all women as a threat. All women basically make temporary alliances with each other until they are married. They are never really friends and will stab each other in the back over a man. Of course they'll never admit to that as they shouldn't.

    I have noticed in cities the White guys with Asians tend to be smaller. When I lived in a tech area I would see smaller White guys with Asians but they really had to work for them due to competition. In tech areas you see all these White and Asian men driving around alone in luxury cars. It's really sad.

    Someone posted the "men prefer Asian women" article but that actually isn't something you can poll due to unequal access. You can't poll that anymore than you can poll women on if they married the right man.

    Most White women will discriminate based on height but overall they aren't as picky as depicted on the internet. But there are certainly White men that have given up on White women but that tends to be in the city where women of all races have higher minimums when it comes to income. But here in rural America you see the redneck in the beat up truck with the pretty White woman all the time. On the internet I'm told this is unpossible because all good looking White women are trying to marry 6'5 millionaires with porn star cocks.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax

  137. @Achmed E. Newman

    We clearly have no problem with government overreach on how we live our lives all in the name of ‘health,’” he wrote. “What if we made the food that is making us sick illegal? What if we taxed processed food and refined sugar to pay for the impact of the pandemic? What if we incentivized health?”
     
    Speak for yourself, salad boy! We clearly DO have a problem with government overreach on how we live our lives in the name of ... ANYTHING., if I could please include me in this we.

    Being far from NY City, Bloomberg's nanny-statism didn't affect me, but it was more sickening than a 64 oz Big Gulp to the health of a free society. Michael Bloomberg is a threat to a free society.

    That is not to say I don't agree that a lower obesity rate would not be a good thing for individuals and this country. Rather than worry about the Kung Flu, really fat people ought to be worried about Diabetes. It is a BAD disease and has been one of the most common causes of early deaths (not to mention amputations).

    I don't think I like anyone involved in that whole article, on either side.

    .

    BTW, 10 or 15 bucks for a salad? My wife puts together all kinds of healthy vegetables - usually 1.25 lb. worth just for my share, for 1/3 of that money. I'm guessing the atmosphere at Sweetgreen is not as fun as What-a-burger either.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TomSchmidt, @SunBakedSuburb, @Buffalo Joe, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Ach, governmaent over reach in Berkeley means you can no longer find candy or gum or snack foods at the check out counter. Too much temptation, but you can find a tent in Peoples’ Park where they will test your drugs of choice to see if they are tainted with fentanyl…priorities.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe, I know you love reading that Berkeleyside newspaper on-line. That's got to be a hell of a view of the world, akin to reading a patient produced newspaper in an old State Hospital.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  138. @everybodyhatesscott
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You can't out-train a bad diet. Anyone who has ever lost significant amounts of weight can tell you it's 80-90% diet with the rest exercise.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Maybe for you, because you have an inferior body.

    With best wishes,
    Buzz
    Old mountaineer who eats and drinks whatever he wants

    I don’t need to “lose weight.” You and others here apparently do. All of your comments are colored by this fact.

    And I don’t for a minute believe what you posted. Exercise is superior to diet. The problem is, for most people — like you — real exercise is hard. It’s something you and they have never really done in your little lives.

    Go climb a fourteener or two, and get back to me. (Lot’s of ordinary people do, like me. We are not special.)

    You can do it!

  139. Your headline sucks. Outlawing food, not just any food but his direct competitors should read, “Restaurant Owner Wants to Outlaw Anything He Doesn’t Sell”

  140. @Verymuchalive
    He owns a $21 million house and is married to an "Iranian-Jewish billionaire heiress", so obviously he has his finger on the pulse of reality.
    https://variety.com/2019/dirt/real-estate/jonathan-neman-house-1203282289/

    It would be interesting to know how much of the money that bought the house was his rather than hers. Probably not much. He is part-owner of 100 restaurants with $10 and $15 menus. There doesn't seem to be a massive amount of profit in that. This leads to the second point.

    It would be interesting to know how his wife's family managed to smuggle their money out of Iran, if they are indeed billionaires. Also, are they using Neman's company to launder their money?

    Replies: @TWS, @Anonymous

    You really have to ask? His wife’s gazillionaire father made it out of Iran with a fortune. The question is not if but how much they are laundering and what other shenanigans they are up to.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @TWS

    The questions were purely rhetorical. I did think some of Mr Steve's readers might provide more details about the Nazarians and their shenanigans. Obviously Neman is a complete moron. All he has done is expose himself, Sweetgreen and, above all else, his links to the Nazarians to public scrutiny.
    I think we'll be hearing a lot more about all of this in the coming weeks.

    Before all you real Armenians in California ( another of Mr Steve's interests ) get very, very angry, here's my disclaimer.


    Nazarian is an Iranian Jewish surname as it is derived from “Nazar” which means “opinion” in Persian.[1] Nazarian or Nazaryan (Armenian: Նազարյան) is also an Armenian surname, and its meaning can be roughly translated into "son of Nazar."[2]
     
  141. @Redneck farmer
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Taco salads are a different thing though.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Taco salads are a different thing though.

    Yes.

    “I love Hispanics.”

  142. OT – 35 year old negro stabs a 24 yo female bank teller to death in River North:

    https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/chase-employee-dies-after-being-stabbed-at-bank-in-river-north/

    Based on her name, Jessica Vilaythong, the victim appears to be at least part Asian. Another interracial murder no one will hear about.

    • Replies: @cityview
    @Mike Tre

    I'm glad you mentioned this tragic crime. I've written before that I live in Near North and have been watching it slide sharply downhill. (I never thought it was as good as some people said it was.) I can't stop thinking about this, and left flowers at the bank's door earlier tonight. (There were not many when I was there.) That makes at least three stabbings by deranged homeless men in the last few months in downtown Chicago: this one and the one near the Willis Tower, both fatal; and the one at Michigan and Chicago--avoid this intersection--in which the victim survived. I've never been someone who enjoyed reading crime news, but thank you once again to CWB Chicago for its prompt, accurate reports.

    Replies: @riches

  143. @Batman

    [Seventy-eight percent] of hospitalizations due to COVID are Obese and Overweight people.
     
    69% of Americans are overweight or obese. There's correlation there, but not as strong as he thinks.

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    The fact that obesity, hypertension and ‘metabolic disease’ are shown separately in the CDC data is evidence that the taxonomy of comorbidities is FUBAR.

    The other ‘leg’ of the metabolic syndrome stool – diabetes – does not appear in the CDC data. Given the extremely tight linkage between obesity and type II diabetes (or at the very least hyperinsulinaemia) it is simply not believable that obesity is a useful correlate with hospitalisation, but diabetes is not.

    The other thing that really needs to be established, is the extent to which COVID-19 is not a ‘front door’ diagnosis: more than half of all COVID-19 cases in UK hospitals are people who were initially admitted for some other condition, and then tested positive for SARS-nCoV-2. (I’m not at my desk machine right now, the UK data is discussed in detail in the “John Dee’s Almanac” group on Facebook – oddly, still not banned).

  144. @Buzz Mohawk
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Okay, buy why skulls?

    https://www.unfinishedman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/MAngelas-e1330988542288.jpg


    Furthermore, your comment implies that any normal person in our community/family would ever want to consume such things.

    Think about it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWvpvlT9pJU

    Replies: @anon

    when you combine omerta, bushido, and shakespeare, you “kill some folks” as obama might say.

    meine ehre heisst treue = omerta, bushido

    +

  145. @Buzz Mohawk
    @prosa123

    This commenter suspects salads are actually a conspiracy by California lettuce growers, employers of low-paid, Mexican stoop workers. We've all been propagandized into thinking we absolutely must eat a pile of leaves every day, or we will get fat and die of some terrible disease.

    Actually, salads are great (I like them) but they are pure carbohydrates. The only benefits are some slight roughage (better ingested via whole grains like oats) and maybe a few vitamins you already obtain through meats and other foods.

    In other words, salads are pure nothing. Maybe you enjoy them, as I do, but you don't really need them if you have a nice diet anyway, and you certainly don't need to pay that jerk $10 to $15 or whatever for the privilege.

    So many things are scams.

    Replies: @Carol, @Redneck farmer, @Kratoklastes, @Clyde

    salads are great (I like them) but they are pure carbohydrates

    Salads don’t raise blood glucose or elicit an insulin response (e.g., an arugula salad with pine nuts, shaved Reggiano, and a lemon balsamic olive oil vinaigrette). In that sense they are not meaningfully ‘carb’-y; in ‘net carb’ terms (total carbohydrate minus total fiber) salads are so close to zero that they can be ignored.

    OTOH smothering them in store-bought dressings made with omega-6-rich oils (eg seed oils) and sugar (or HFCS) has the adverse consequences typical of SAD – including metabolic dysfunction – but those aren’t caused by the salad.

    Carbohydrate is the enemy of fat loss, because the moment you secrete insulin you switch off lipolysis and switch on lipogenesis (including de novo lipogenesis); my N=1 experiment on blood glucose and ketone tracking made that absolutely clear to me.

    I dropped 25kg (55lb) in 4 months – having decided that being 110kg (242lb @ 18%BF [DEXA]) had lost its usefulness despite otherwise-excellent health and fitness (VO2Max above 50; cycling FTP above 300; 20 body weight dips with ease; all at age 55).

    Now I’ve set my upper threshold at cruiserweight (200lb; 90.7kg @ 12% DEXA) and if I get too close to it I tighten up my diet for a few days. 90.7 is my mnfps (morning, naked, fasted, post-shit) target, and I’m usually under 90.

    18/6 TRE; low-carb; high-protein (animal or otherwise) and a mix of HIIT and MISS (medium-intensity steady state) on my KickR.

    DHA ; EPA; zinc… and during winter, VitD3 10,o00 IU.

    I’ll probably get hit by a bus.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Kratoklastes


    during winter, VitD3 10,o00 IU.
     
    Good account! You are smarter than the average bear. Congrats on the weight loss. A female relative lost 60lbs in 8 months by going lo-carb + exercise. From 180 down to 120 four years ago, and has kept the weight off. During her lo-carb weight loss she lived on three canned tuna fish daily, plus cooked vegetables (greens) and raw salads. She is still lo-carb and got her husband on this too.
    She never had a diabetes diagnosis, but when she was 180lbs she had a diabetic episode that scared her. One day she had extreme thirst and pains in her legs. She read Bernstein's book on diabetes (380 reviews at Amazon) and adopted his low-carb program. Her favorite food that got her ballooning up to a land whale 180lbs, this was bagels with cream cheese and smoked salmon (lols)

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Kratoklastes

    A fat, jealous bus.

  146. Check out the inconsistancies in this story, about a man in Nebraska who had to be flown to Iowa to get an ICU bed:

    Auburn doctor called 23 hospitals before finding ICU bed for seriously ill patient

    https://siouxcityjournal.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/article_96028054-e34b-524d-b76f-e0495e380df5.html

    I guess ICU beds in Nebraska are full, probably because of those evil un-vaxxed COVID patients. Except this guy was also a COVID patient. Except that he wasn’t – the doctor said he tested negative. But it had to be COVID – it just had to be. Oh – by the way – he was full vaccinated too. And his problems started soon after getting vaccinated. But it was the COVID that got him. Certainly not the vaccine.

    This story is like a journalistic version of Twister. What contorted narrative can we flog in order to deflect any blame from the vaccine.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Mr. Anon

    It reads like a Journalistic Twister, but that is because the (medical) case is complicated. Many Covid cases are like that - they involve multi-system failures and are hard to describe in simple language. Many Cancers are also like that.

    Out here in Oregon, we have ICU's nearly full and many previously scheduled surgeries are being cancelled/postponed. Some people have died in Ambulances waiting for a bed (in Southern Oregon). Life flight helicopters are taking Oregon patients as far as San Francisco and Montana (needing 6 - 8 hour flights tiring helicopter pilots - they are not made for comfort.) In the last few days four hospitals in the region (Tillamook, Salem and two in Portland) have ordered Refrigerated trucks (to be used as Morgues).

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Adam Smith
    @Mr. Anon

    Lol... The most sinister of viruses does not follow any rules.

  147. @TelfoedJohn
    America should have free healthcare for people with less than 33 inch waists. Japan does something similar: https://louisestephen.com/2018/02/24/obesity-japan-can-metabo-law-prevent-it/

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Chrisnonymous

    America should have free healthcare for people with less than 33 inch waists.

    America’s Meth addicts will be gladdened.

    • LOL: John Johnson
  148. @Paul Jolliffe
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You’ve taken the (Chubby) checkered flag!

    Replies: @Skyler the Weird

    Another Domino will fall

  149. @Joe Schmoezilla
    **That got me wondering how much of white women’s enthusiasm for the Racial Reckoning is motivated by the view of black women as the leading edge of Fat Liberation?

    Steve, this is a great comment, but 98% of the public would either be offended by it or it would go over their heads.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    From hippo to hip ho.

    How times have changed. Characters I considered as fat in movies and TV shows of my youth now look merely chubby or somewhat overweight.

    Compared to mega-fatsos today, they aren’t so big.

  150. @Mr. Peabody
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I hear ya knockin'.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Or tokin’.

    I wonder if legalization of weed made fatsodemic worse. All those extra munchies.

  151. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sick of Orcs
    Outlaw junk food? Yeah he's a salad shill but that is rucking fetarded.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It’s funny that ‘diet’ is almost synonymous with ‘not eat’.

    Diet means food but has come to mean do-not-eat or eat-less in the late modern context.

    In the past when food was scarce or costly, the economics kept one’s diet responsible.

    But with availability of so much cheap food, there aren’t any external restrictions on one’s eating habits. Even poor people can eat a lot of food. So, the restrictions must be internal, personally enforced.

    That would be easier in a shame culture, but with the rise of shameless youth culture, black culture, homosexual culture, and tattoo culture, it’s anything goes when it comes to appetites and indulgences.

    • Agree: The Griffins
    • Thanks: Sick of Orcs
    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
    @Anonymous

    Caloric density is another issue. A 2-pack of 21st century Twinkies has close to 300 calories, which is an entire meal's worth for people eating small meals each day.

  152. @Rob

    “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”
     

    I see this sort of construction more and more. The other day it was about trans athletes, and “why would assigning someone to a category affect their ability?” No. What we are doing is noticing which category they fall into.

    Even “body positivists” cannot stomach calling people fat. Not even in the abstract. I think this is where the “all disparities are caused by discrimination (BadWhites)” is headed. Maybe that was the goal all along.

    Don’t get me wrong. I am sure healthcare providers “underserves” the obese (would that restaurants did the same!) It has to discouraging to be prescribing whatever while thinking “you would not need this drug if you lost 100 pounds.” But healthcare providers are constrained by physical reality. Realistically, a two hundred pound woman cannot exercise. She will do too much wear and tear to her joints, and the exercise will be so unpleasant that she won’t do it twice.

    I think gym class could help, we’re there a sea change in the people who are assigned to the gym teacher category. Too often, whether by design or for the same reason academic classes are humiliating for the dumb, gym class is about shaming nerds and fat kids. Really, the people who most need gym class, because athletes will exercise on their own. I propose segregating gym classes by ability. We do with academic classes, or used to. I am not particularly athletic, which is an understatement. I always had more fun and got more expertise when the good athletes were not there for whatever reason. Unlike academics, which has objective standards, sports are completely relative. Someone always wins. Remember the World Cup, when the alien “French” team won, and non-whites were all proud, and cucks were like, “we were right to give away our futures”? If the French team had not won, then someone else would have. Every single time.

    Sure kids would get made fun off for being in remedial gym. But they’d get some excercise. It might even help the athletic kids. Without nerds to dunk on, athletes would play people closer to their level, and hopefully realize that they are never going to the NBA. A lot of kids would have more realistic goals that way? Maybe not, it’s not like dim, clumsy black kids have lower middle class aspirations. But at least more kids would get a work out.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @res, @anon, @Marty, @Prof. Woland

    I think they’re over-served. I used to have an internist in Oakland, a good diagnostician with a horribly confrontational personality. Every time I was in there, I’d be the only white among 5-6 massive black buffaloes, obvious diabetes cases. I got the impression this guy enjoyed feeling like he was walking across the Selma bridge with King. He essentially fired me as a patient, probably because I made his Orcs look bad by comparison.

  153. @S Johnson
    Why do black males seem to like heavier white women?

    Replies: @Peterike

    “ Why do black males seem to like heavier white women?”

    Because black men will have sex with anything, and fat white women are stupid enough to support them.

    • Agree: The Griffins
  154. @Professional Slav
    @TomSchmidt

    No matter the state of inflammation, your body will not break the first law of thermodynamics. So the root cause is indeed massive overeating by our fellow American fats. Spare me the "I know a guy who is a hamplanet but eats only lettuce with water" genetics anectode.

    Replies: @Peterike

    “ No matter the state of inflammation, your body will not break the first law of thermodynamics. ”

    But all calories are not equal. Not even close.

  155. @millenial
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Why don't we start by removing corn and soybean subsidies? Maybe use the money to add subsidies for local fruit and vegetable growers instead.

    Replies: @anon

    Why don’t we start by removing corn and soybean subsidies?

    Sure. Piece of cake. You gonna start the ball rolling? Get your ass to Iowa!

  156. @TWS
    @Verymuchalive

    You really have to ask? His wife's gazillionaire father made it out of Iran with a fortune. The question is not if but how much they are laundering and what other shenanigans they are up to.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    The questions were purely rhetorical. I did think some of Mr Steve’s readers might provide more details about the Nazarians and their shenanigans. Obviously Neman is a complete moron. All he has done is expose himself, Sweetgreen and, above all else, his links to the Nazarians to public scrutiny.
    I think we’ll be hearing a lot more about all of this in the coming weeks.

    Before all you real Armenians in California ( another of Mr Steve’s interests ) get very, very angry, here’s my disclaimer.

    Nazarian is an Iranian Jewish surname as it is derived from “Nazar” which means “opinion” in Persian.[1] Nazarian or Nazaryan (Armenian: Նազարյան) is also an Armenian surname, and its meaning can be roughly translated into “son of Nazar.”[2]

  157. @the one they call Desanex
    @TomSchmidt


    We need an arrrgh button!
     
    Check your spelling. The Official Scrabble Players Dictionary allows aargh, aarrgh, and aarrghh. (I once made a bingo in Scrabble with the word aarrghh, using a blank tile as one of the aitches.)

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    That is impressive. I’ll double-a it next time.

  158. @Polistra
    @Jonathan Mason

    Agree about the sugar and sweetness in everything. Commercial baked goods in particular are essentially poison. I despise sweet food which is just one of many reasons I abjure processed products in general.

    But can you (or anyone) please explain why eating an orange is healthy but drinking high-pulp orange juice isn't. Sure, I understand about sugar and fiber but my theory was always that the high-pulp thing got me at least halfway there. Apparently not.

    My Plan B was adding more vodka. Still no good! WTH.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason, @TomSchmidt

    Quantity. Drink the juice of ONE orange and they should be about the same. One Orange doesn’t have that much juice.

  159. @Kratoklastes
    @Buzz Mohawk


    salads are great (I like them) but they are pure carbohydrates
     
    Salads don’t raise blood glucose or elicit an insulin response (e.g., an arugula salad with pine nuts, shaved Reggiano, and a lemon balsamic olive oil vinaigrette). In that sense they are not meaningfully ‘carb’-y; in ‘net carb’ terms (total carbohydrate minus total fiber) salads are so close to zero that they can be ignored.

    OTOH smothering them in store-bought dressings made with omega-6-rich oils (eg seed oils) and sugar (or HFCS) has the adverse consequences typical of SAD - including metabolic dysfunction - but those aren’t caused by the salad.

    Carbohydrate is the enemy of fat loss, because the moment you secrete insulin you switch off lipolysis and switch on lipogenesis (including de novo lipogenesis); my N=1 experiment on blood glucose and ketone tracking made that absolutely clear to me.

    I dropped 25kg (55lb) in 4 months - having decided that being 110kg (242lb @ 18%BF [DEXA]) had lost its usefulness despite otherwise-excellent health and fitness (VO2Max above 50; cycling FTP above 300; 20 body weight dips with ease; all at age 55).

    Now I’ve set my upper threshold at cruiserweight (200lb; 90.7kg @ 12% DEXA) and if I get too close to it I tighten up my diet for a few days. 90.7 is my mnfps (morning, naked, fasted, post-shit) target, and I’m usually under 90.

    18/6 TRE; low-carb; high-protein (animal or otherwise) and a mix of HIIT and MISS (medium-intensity steady state) on my KickR.

    DHA ; EPA; zinc… and during winter, VitD3 10,o00 IU.

    I’ll probably get hit by a bus.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Chrisnonymous

    during winter, VitD3 10,o00 IU.

    Good account! You are smarter than the average bear. Congrats on the weight loss. A female relative lost 60lbs in 8 months by going lo-carb + exercise. From 180 down to 120 four years ago, and has kept the weight off. During her lo-carb weight loss she lived on three canned tuna fish daily, plus cooked vegetables (greens) and raw salads. She is still lo-carb and got her husband on this too.
    She never had a diabetes diagnosis, but when she was 180lbs she had a diabetic episode that scared her. One day she had extreme thirst and pains in her legs. She read Bernstein’s book on diabetes (380 reviews at Amazon) and adopted his low-carb program. Her favorite food that got her ballooning up to a land whale 180lbs, this was bagels with cream cheese and smoked salmon (lols)

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @Clyde

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/58898707596638435/


    she lived on three canned tuna fish daily
     
    Three (two-, maybe five-ounce) cans of tuna fish daily, I hope.

    Not many folk could down about 1/3 of a ton of tuna daily. Hats off to her.
    Wouldn't like to be stuck in an elevator with her, mind.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Alden

  160. @Mr. Anon
    Check out the inconsistancies in this story, about a man in Nebraska who had to be flown to Iowa to get an ICU bed:

    Auburn doctor called 23 hospitals before finding ICU bed for seriously ill patient

    https://siouxcityjournal.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/article_96028054-e34b-524d-b76f-e0495e380df5.html
     

    I guess ICU beds in Nebraska are full, probably because of those evil un-vaxxed COVID patients. Except this guy was also a COVID patient. Except that he wasn't - the doctor said he tested negative. But it had to be COVID - it just had to be. Oh - by the way - he was full vaccinated too. And his problems started soon after getting vaccinated. But it was the COVID that got him. Certainly not the vaccine.

    This story is like a journalistic version of Twister. What contorted narrative can we flog in order to deflect any blame from the vaccine.

    Replies: @epebble, @Adam Smith

    It reads like a Journalistic Twister, but that is because the (medical) case is complicated. Many Covid cases are like that – they involve multi-system failures and are hard to describe in simple language. Many Cancers are also like that.

    Out here in Oregon, we have ICU’s nearly full and many previously scheduled surgeries are being cancelled/postponed. Some people have died in Ambulances waiting for a bed (in Southern Oregon). Life flight helicopters are taking Oregon patients as far as San Francisco and Montana (needing 6 – 8 hour flights tiring helicopter pilots – they are not made for comfort.) In the last few days four hospitals in the region (Tillamook, Salem and two in Portland) have ordered Refrigerated trucks (to be used as Morgues).

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @epebble


    It reads like a Journalistic Twister, but that is because the (medical) case is complicated. Many Covid cases are like that – they involve multi-system failures and are hard to describe in simple language.
     
    Sure. You test positive for COVID...............you've got COVID. You test negative for COVID...............you've got COVID. You're fully vaxxed and soon thereafter die of some kind of strange immune response?.............................well, obviously you died from COVID.

    Yeah - sure - I believe that.
    , @Mr. Anon
    @epebble


    Out here in Oregon, we have ICU’s nearly full and many previously scheduled surgeries are being cancelled/postponed. Some people have died in Ambulances waiting for a bed (in Southern Oregon). Life flight helicopters are taking Oregon patients as far as San Francisco and Montana (needing 6 – 8 hour flights tiring helicopter pilots – they are not made for comfort.) In the last few days four hospitals in the region (Tillamook, Salem and two in Portland) have ordered Refrigerated trucks (to be used as Morgues).
     
    Yeah - I wonder why this could be. Truly, it is a mystery.

    Study shows Oregon has fewest number of hospital beds per capita in nation

    https://www.kptv.com/news/study-shows-oregon-has-fewest-number-of-hospital-beds-per-capita-in-nation/article_d9e7c556-35dc-11eb-b579-9b51fe5b2047.html
     

    It's unprecedented. Absolutely unprecedented:

    Oregon Hospitals Must Handle Surge Of Flu Patients
    By Tiffany Eckert • Jan 12, 2018

    An influx of patients with the flu is putting pressure on medical staff. Hospital systems in many parts of Oregon are currently operating at full capacity.

    https://www.klcc.org/post/oregon-hospitals-must-handle-surge-flu-patients
     

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @epebble

    Whoa, are you sure these life-flight helicopters are flying 6-8 hour flights? They don't have that kind of range. If they were to make multiple stops, this would be highly inefficient. There are life-flight Lear Jets going 3-5 times as fast. Either way, this costs BIG BUCKS.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @epebble

  161. @Jack D
    @TomSchmidt


    Sugar is an addictive substance. It can indeed cause harm.
     
    No, it's not addictive in the sense that opiates are addictive. You can't overdose on sugar the way you can overdose on opiates. You are just playing word games.

    The MOST healthy thing would be for the governments to strictly prescribe our diet. Each day they would deliver to you 3 packets of human chow in convenient liquid form. Each packet would be sugar and sodium free and contain all the necessary vitamins and minerals needed to support life and the correct number of calories needed. The sale of all other food and drink would be prohibited - that would interfere with your balanced diet. It would also be illegal to grow your own food, which might interfere with the prescribed diet - you could be sneaking orange juice or honey on the side. BTW, orange juice has the same amount of sugar per ounce as Coca Cola.

    I can guarantee to you that under such a scheme, public health would be GREATLY enhanced. Diabetes would go way down. So would Covid, heart disease and many other diseases. Life expectancy would skyrocket.

    STILL, I wouldn't be in favor of this - it is contrary to what it means to live in a free country, where the government should stay out of our business (even if it is for "our own good") to the maximum extent possible and only intervene in the most serious cases with the potential for immediate bodily harm - people who are selling fentanyl, etc. What you are recommending is only a slightly less rigorous version of the same thing.

    If there is anything that we have learned from the Covid mess, it is not to trust our "elites". In case you haven't noticed, the government's dietary advice has changed over the years. Palm oil is really bad for you - let's take it out of baked goods. Never mind, it's really good and the transfats that we were pushing as substitutes (thanks for that campaign contribution P&G) are bad. Please put the palm oil back. Most of our leaders, if you got to know them personally, are not people you would trust with babysitting your dog for the weekend (Biden's dog likes to bite people). The last thing on earth I would want is to let these people dictate what I eat.

    Replies: @Pixo, @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason, @Anonymous Jew, @TomSchmidt

    I might have used habit-forming, but there is a feedback loop with sugar soon has you taking more of it, and in larger doses.

    No, it’s not addictive in the sense that opiates are addictive. You can’t overdose on sugar the way you can overdose on opiates. You are just playing word games.

    How about cocaine? Not an opiate… we have:
    https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/experts-is-sugar-addictive-drug

    “Addiction is a strong word,” says Dr. Alan Greene, a children’s health and wellness expert and the author of books like “Raising Baby Green” and “Feeding Baby Green.”

    “In medicine we use ‘addiction’ to describe a tragic situation where someone’s brain chemistry has been altered to compel them to repeat a substance or activity despite harmful consequences. This is very different than the casual use of ‘addiction’ (‘I’m addicted to “Game of Thrones!”’).”

    In Greene’s opinion, evidence is mounting that too much added sugar could lead to true addiction. …
    Eating sugar releases opioids and dopamine in our bodies. This is the link between added sugar and addictive behavior. …
    Cassie Bjork, RD, LD, founder of Healthy Simple Life, states that sugar can be even more addicting than cocaine.

    “Sugar activates the opiate receptorsTrusted Source in our brain and affects the reward center, which leads to compulsive behavior, despite the negative consequences like weight gain, headaches, hormone imbalances, and more

    Ancel Keys, as you note in passing, pushed the bad science of anti-fat, which led to cardboard food, which required sugar. If you want to read the takedown of him, and it’s a delight, see Nina Teichholz’s The Big Fat Surprise. She digs the data on Keys, EVOO, and a whole host of bad food science.

  162. @TelfoedJohn
    America should have free healthcare for people with less than 33 inch waists. Japan does something similar: https://louisestephen.com/2018/02/24/obesity-japan-can-metabo-law-prevent-it/

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Chrisnonymous

    Japanese people are very homogenous in their height and body shape compared to Americans. It would never work in America. Also, in Japan, your employer gets your annual medical check-up results. Probably not something most americans would be happy about.

    Individually, insurance companies could provide incentives for weight loss, and some do I believe. There is one healthcare management company that promotes low-carb eating, and I believe they published results showing lower rates of COVID hospitalization of their enrollees than other insurers. P.D. Mangan tweeted it out a few months ago.

  163. @Rob

    “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”
     

    I see this sort of construction more and more. The other day it was about trans athletes, and “why would assigning someone to a category affect their ability?” No. What we are doing is noticing which category they fall into.

    Even “body positivists” cannot stomach calling people fat. Not even in the abstract. I think this is where the “all disparities are caused by discrimination (BadWhites)” is headed. Maybe that was the goal all along.

    Don’t get me wrong. I am sure healthcare providers “underserves” the obese (would that restaurants did the same!) It has to discouraging to be prescribing whatever while thinking “you would not need this drug if you lost 100 pounds.” But healthcare providers are constrained by physical reality. Realistically, a two hundred pound woman cannot exercise. She will do too much wear and tear to her joints, and the exercise will be so unpleasant that she won’t do it twice.

    I think gym class could help, we’re there a sea change in the people who are assigned to the gym teacher category. Too often, whether by design or for the same reason academic classes are humiliating for the dumb, gym class is about shaming nerds and fat kids. Really, the people who most need gym class, because athletes will exercise on their own. I propose segregating gym classes by ability. We do with academic classes, or used to. I am not particularly athletic, which is an understatement. I always had more fun and got more expertise when the good athletes were not there for whatever reason. Unlike academics, which has objective standards, sports are completely relative. Someone always wins. Remember the World Cup, when the alien “French” team won, and non-whites were all proud, and cucks were like, “we were right to give away our futures”? If the French team had not won, then someone else would have. Every single time.

    Sure kids would get made fun off for being in remedial gym. But they’d get some excercise. It might even help the athletic kids. Without nerds to dunk on, athletes would play people closer to their level, and hopefully realize that they are never going to the NBA. A lot of kids would have more realistic goals that way? Maybe not, it’s not like dim, clumsy black kids have lower middle class aspirations. But at least more kids would get a work out.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @res, @anon, @Marty, @Prof. Woland

    Realistically, a two hundred pound woman cannot exercise. She will do too much wear and tear to her joints, and the exercise will be so unpleasant that she won’t do it twice.

    We spend 30 – 40% more on women’s health then we do men’s. It is throughout their entire life span, not just when they are pregnant, and they live five years longer than men. Men suffer more bad medical outcomes than women by far. One big exception is breast cancer but of course that is why we hear about it endlessly. Basically, men don’t count for shit unless you consider that is where most of the money comes to pay for everything. By law, women cannot be charged more for health insurance. It could be handled like title IX and just split the apple down the middle but that would be equal and fair. Abortion is the penultimate hyper-gamic variant of this phenomenon. It is in the news again, ugh. The issue could have been settled a long time ago if women just paid for it themselves keeping it legal and available but that would wreck the whole point; the point being I have one and you don’t so shut up and pay.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Prof. Woland

    In defense of women’s healthcare, surely a huge chunk of the disparity is obstetrics? Slightly more than Half of babies are boys, and every kid has a father, too. Seems reasonable that ob-gyn spending on women should be split evenly between the sexes?

    I can see people thinking the person getting healthcare should be the one paying, or their spouse baby’s daddy, but no other advanced country runs medical care that way, and there are probably reasons why.

  164. @Buzz Mohawk
    @prosa123

    This commenter suspects salads are actually a conspiracy by California lettuce growers, employers of low-paid, Mexican stoop workers. We've all been propagandized into thinking we absolutely must eat a pile of leaves every day, or we will get fat and die of some terrible disease.

    Actually, salads are great (I like them) but they are pure carbohydrates. The only benefits are some slight roughage (better ingested via whole grains like oats) and maybe a few vitamins you already obtain through meats and other foods.

    In other words, salads are pure nothing. Maybe you enjoy them, as I do, but you don't really need them if you have a nice diet anyway, and you certainly don't need to pay that jerk $10 to $15 or whatever for the privilege.

    So many things are scams.

    Replies: @Carol, @Redneck farmer, @Kratoklastes, @Clyde

    Actually, salads are great (I like them) but they are pure carbohydrates. The only benefits are some slight roughage (better ingested via whole grains like oats) and maybe a few vitamins you already obtain through meats and other foods.
    In other words, salads are pure nothing. Maybe you enjoy them, as I do, but you don’t really need them if you have a nice diet anyway, and you certainly don’t need to pay that jerk 15 or whatever for the privilege.

    I get that you are half joking, salads are very refreshing especially in the summer. The carbohydrates in raw vegetables are good for you. Eating two pounds of cooked carrots and potatoes, yeah, those carbs will stick to you. Now go try to eat one pound of raw carrots. Very difficult.
    But the real fun is in juicing. The ultimate is the Norwalk Juicer. Invented by Norman Walker who lived just short 100. His books are easily found

    Norman W. Walker, my third “Health Hero” who was born on January 4, 1886 and died June 6, 1985 at the age 99 years and 5 months. — https://www.myhdiet.com/healthnews/rev-malkmus/norman-w-walker-juicing-pioneer/

    All juice bars use the Norwalk Juicer, it produces veg/fruit juice the fastest. You put the vegs/fruits into the hopper. They get ground into a pulp by a large motor. The juice is then pressed out of the pulp by a hydraulic jack. Here is one on ebay — https://tinyurl.com/38br6ku9

    Then come twin gear (twin auger) juicers called Green Star and Green Power. This is what I own and use. The pulp comes out very dry. There are many single auger juicers these days, but the pulp that comes out is not as dry as with the twin gear ones. I own a single auger juicer for backup, plus I lend it out.
    btw I am an omnivore not a vegan
    In my book the ultimate juice is juicing an entire bunch/stalk of celery with one lime and some ginger. Start your day with this and you will lose weight. If the ginger and lime are turnoffs then omit them.
    Czech it out!

  165. @Prof. Woland
    @Rob


    Realistically, a two hundred pound woman cannot exercise. She will do too much wear and tear to her joints, and the exercise will be so unpleasant that she won’t do it twice.
     
    We spend 30 – 40% more on women’s health then we do men’s. It is throughout their entire life span, not just when they are pregnant, and they live five years longer than men. Men suffer more bad medical outcomes than women by far. One big exception is breast cancer but of course that is why we hear about it endlessly. Basically, men don’t count for shit unless you consider that is where most of the money comes to pay for everything. By law, women cannot be charged more for health insurance. It could be handled like title IX and just split the apple down the middle but that would be equal and fair. Abortion is the penultimate hyper-gamic variant of this phenomenon. It is in the news again, ugh. The issue could have been settled a long time ago if women just paid for it themselves keeping it legal and available but that would wreck the whole point; the point being I have one and you don’t so shut up and pay.

    Replies: @Rob

    In defense of women’s healthcare, surely a huge chunk of the disparity is obstetrics? Slightly more than Half of babies are boys, and every kid has a father, too. Seems reasonable that ob-gyn spending on women should be split evenly between the sexes?

    I can see people thinking the person getting healthcare should be the one paying, or their spouse baby’s daddy, but no other advanced country runs medical care that way, and there are probably reasons why.

  166. @Joe Magarac
    If I am overweight and then go on a diet and successfully lose weight, does that make me a traitor to my people?

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Rosie

    Yes, and your people will actively try to sabotage you. See: The Lobster Effect.

  167. “So maybe a lot of white women are enthusiastic about black women being recently idealized as the epitome of beauty because they sense that if sometimes comes to adore 190 pound black women that means they can ease off on the dieting themselves?”

    Oh for goodness sakes, Steve.

    This hypothesis is going on the assumption that white women consciously think about black women in any meaningful sense beyond having a personal friend who happens to be black. For the most part, they don’t mingle in any meaningful sense. If anything, black women would tend to think about white women to an extent (e.g. hoping that the Karens and Beckys don’t steal away anymore of their men). If black women had more on the ball, they would collectively decide to lose more weight until they weighed less than white women, as it is one more way in which their men just may decide to look in Becky’s direction.

    Funny thing. It’s not white women using skin lightening, different colored contact lenses, weaves that appear to be of European color/texture. If anyone is thinking about white women, it’s definitely black women. The whole meme of ‘don’t touch my hair’ to which the rejoinder should be ‘or at least until my hair texture feels like Becky’s’ is becoming more and more apropro.

  168. @AnotherDad
    In other news ...

    what the media calls "refugees" and "asylum seekers" and "migrants" are piling up on the borders of Poland, Lithuania and Latvia.

    And--as usual--amazingly these refugees look like military age young men. And as usual NGOs are showing up and "activists" are doing stuff like cutting through the fences.


    At some point the people of the West are going to relearn that maintaining a nation--as with maintaining rule-of-law--requires the willingness to use any and all force including killing the miscreants trying to breach it ... or there simply won't be a "West".

    Replies: @HammerJack

    And–as usual–amazingly these refugees look like military age young men.

    A basic part of the pattern, I’ve noticed, is that the first photos of each new invasion show this basic truth. Then the editors notice and by Day 2 the pics have been replaced with the women-and-children routine.

    Sometimes they really have to scrounge to find what they want, too. Sometimes I wonder if they’re so desperate for a pic of a crying child that they slap the kids themselves. Naaah. Hmm. Maybe? Naaah. Hmm.

  169. This short video of an obese ballerina showed up in my YouTube suggestions. Even more horrifying than a fattie ruining such a lovely dance are the admiring comments, all by females as far as I could tell.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/1wW-mIXxl-w?feature=share

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Kylie

    There are a lot of guys out there who would hit that. That's really what causes all this confusion. Fat girls think because they are still getting action they're fine.

    But really there are just a lot of dudes who will screw almost anything. I call them "sexual athletes." It's actually awe-inspiring in a way.

    Like, how do you do that? Although I'll admit I've surprised myself on occasion.

    Replies: @Kylie

  170. @Achmed E. Newman

    We clearly have no problem with government overreach on how we live our lives all in the name of ‘health,’” he wrote. “What if we made the food that is making us sick illegal? What if we taxed processed food and refined sugar to pay for the impact of the pandemic? What if we incentivized health?”
     
    Speak for yourself, salad boy! We clearly DO have a problem with government overreach on how we live our lives in the name of ... ANYTHING., if I could please include me in this we.

    Being far from NY City, Bloomberg's nanny-statism didn't affect me, but it was more sickening than a 64 oz Big Gulp to the health of a free society. Michael Bloomberg is a threat to a free society.

    That is not to say I don't agree that a lower obesity rate would not be a good thing for individuals and this country. Rather than worry about the Kung Flu, really fat people ought to be worried about Diabetes. It is a BAD disease and has been one of the most common causes of early deaths (not to mention amputations).

    I don't think I like anyone involved in that whole article, on either side.

    .

    BTW, 10 or 15 bucks for a salad? My wife puts together all kinds of healthy vegetables - usually 1.25 lb. worth just for my share, for 1/3 of that money. I'm guessing the atmosphere at Sweetgreen is not as fun as What-a-burger either.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @TomSchmidt, @SunBakedSuburb, @Buffalo Joe, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Most salads are just a really expensive way to consume water.

  171. @Jonathan Mason
    @Stan Adams

    No, but sometimes people will comment in restaurants that have I have eaten less than half the food on my plate, and I will say that it was enough for me and I am already too fat. And then they will say "no you're not too fat." They never say "yes you are right, you are too fat".

    But I know I am too fat when I have a hard time tying my shoes or cutting my toenails.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    I weigh more than you, but I’m quite flexible. I can stand easily on one leg, so I don’t have any problem cutting my toenails.

    Typically, I sit down to tie my shoelaces. I also sit down when I have to remove those horrible sandbars from my shoes and socks.

    I don’t believe you

    Here’s a video:

    https://streamable.com/12hnxi

  172. @epebble
    @Mr. Anon

    It reads like a Journalistic Twister, but that is because the (medical) case is complicated. Many Covid cases are like that - they involve multi-system failures and are hard to describe in simple language. Many Cancers are also like that.

    Out here in Oregon, we have ICU's nearly full and many previously scheduled surgeries are being cancelled/postponed. Some people have died in Ambulances waiting for a bed (in Southern Oregon). Life flight helicopters are taking Oregon patients as far as San Francisco and Montana (needing 6 - 8 hour flights tiring helicopter pilots - they are not made for comfort.) In the last few days four hospitals in the region (Tillamook, Salem and two in Portland) have ordered Refrigerated trucks (to be used as Morgues).

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon, @Achmed E. Newman

    It reads like a Journalistic Twister, but that is because the (medical) case is complicated. Many Covid cases are like that – they involve multi-system failures and are hard to describe in simple language.

    Sure. You test positive for COVID……………you’ve got COVID. You test negative for COVID……………you’ve got COVID. You’re fully vaxxed and soon thereafter die of some kind of strange immune response?………………………..well, obviously you died from COVID.

    Yeah – sure – I believe that.

  173. @epebble
    @Mr. Anon

    It reads like a Journalistic Twister, but that is because the (medical) case is complicated. Many Covid cases are like that - they involve multi-system failures and are hard to describe in simple language. Many Cancers are also like that.

    Out here in Oregon, we have ICU's nearly full and many previously scheduled surgeries are being cancelled/postponed. Some people have died in Ambulances waiting for a bed (in Southern Oregon). Life flight helicopters are taking Oregon patients as far as San Francisco and Montana (needing 6 - 8 hour flights tiring helicopter pilots - they are not made for comfort.) In the last few days four hospitals in the region (Tillamook, Salem and two in Portland) have ordered Refrigerated trucks (to be used as Morgues).

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon, @Achmed E. Newman

    Out here in Oregon, we have ICU’s nearly full and many previously scheduled surgeries are being cancelled/postponed. Some people have died in Ambulances waiting for a bed (in Southern Oregon). Life flight helicopters are taking Oregon patients as far as San Francisco and Montana (needing 6 – 8 hour flights tiring helicopter pilots – they are not made for comfort.) In the last few days four hospitals in the region (Tillamook, Salem and two in Portland) have ordered Refrigerated trucks (to be used as Morgues).

    Yeah – I wonder why this could be. Truly, it is a mystery.

    Study shows Oregon has fewest number of hospital beds per capita in nation

    https://www.kptv.com/news/study-shows-oregon-has-fewest-number-of-hospital-beds-per-capita-in-nation/article_d9e7c556-35dc-11eb-b579-9b51fe5b2047.html

    It’s unprecedented. Absolutely unprecedented:

    Oregon Hospitals Must Handle Surge Of Flu Patients
    By Tiffany Eckert • Jan 12, 2018

    An influx of patients with the flu is putting pressure on medical staff. Hospital systems in many parts of Oregon are currently operating at full capacity.

    https://www.klcc.org/post/oregon-hospitals-must-handle-surge-flu-patients

    • Thanks: Pixo
  174. Anon[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @Anon


    I doubt White women are all that enthused since they’re already obese.
    Asian women were always the beauty ideal anyway. It’s Asian women’s presence everybody is afraid of.

     

    Asian women are the beauty ideal for HBD white guys who can't attract attractive white women

    How many successful white guys with sex appeal date Asian women? Almost none

    How many HBDers date Asian women? A lot of them

    How many of the white women who date successful white men would date an HBDer? None

    How many Asian women who date HBDErs would date a successful white guy? All of them

    Replies: @Anon

    Cope.

    Randomized studies (involving regular people) have consistently found that Asian women are perceived as more attractive than white women. Not single study has ever found that white women are preferred. Asian women get all the successful whife guys, drive through an upscale neighborhood some day.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1068/p5191

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3276508/

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0265407514541074 (study involving mostly WMAF)

    Compared with intraracial daters, interracial daters reported that their partners saw them more positively on attractiveness, cerebral, and relational attributes (Study 1), rated their partners more positively on attractiveness and cerebral attributes (Study 2), and were rated by independent coders as more physically attractive (Study 3). Implications are discussed.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Anon

    The actual hierarchy of desirability goes like this (factor in statistical likelihood of existence in the wild):


    1. Hot white women who are pleasant and not crazy (they exist)

    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    then,

    2. Hot Asian women (pleasant and not crazy is much more prevalent)

    *
    *
    then,

    3. Hot white women (of other varieties)

    *
    then,

    4. Regular Asian women

    then,

    5. Regular white women

    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    then,

    6. All other women, hot or not


    I've dated all of the above, and trust me, #1 is best, which is why that is what everyone else on planet earth also wants, which is a huge problem: white men who are a best fit for #1 are now in competition with men of all other races, who should be competing for #1 of their own race, but instead chase after white people's #1. Ends in extinction.

    , @anon
    @Anon

    Cope.

    Troll

    , @anon
    @Anon

    You don't see Brad Pitt, David Beckham or Tom Brady dating Asian women. These guys that have fame , money and looks have , presumably, have women of all races desiring them. What women do they choose to date marry? Jennifer Aniston, Angelina Jolie, Posh Spice, Gisele Bundchen.....

  175. @Professional Slav
    @Jack D

    Interesting theory on the proximity to ocean but I don't think that's correct. For example polynesia (or micronesia) are islands, ocean on all sides, and yet they have something like 80% obesity and hypertension prevalence on some islands. Probably because of introduction of Western excessive sodium McDonald's style diets.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Foreign Expert

    My guess, in the case of obese Pacific Islanders, is that only relatively chubby people tended to survive the long ocean voyages involved in the original settling of the islands.

  176. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @slumber_j

    "It’s boring, but so is everything"

    Heh heh. You could publish that as, "Samuel Beckett for Dummies".

    Replies: @slumber_j

    Good point, although for that I would have included the rest of what I said: “and at least it doesn’t last very long.”

  177. @Kylie
    This short video of an obese ballerina showed up in my YouTube suggestions. Even more horrifying than a fattie ruining such a lovely dance are the admiring comments, all by females as far as I could tell.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/1wW-mIXxl-w?feature=share

    Replies: @Bill P

    There are a lot of guys out there who would hit that. That’s really what causes all this confusion. Fat girls think because they are still getting action they’re fine.

    But really there are just a lot of dudes who will screw almost anything. I call them “sexual athletes.” It’s actually awe-inspiring in a way.

    Like, how do you do that? Although I’ll admit I’ve surprised myself on occasion.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Bill P

    "There are a lot of guys out there who would hit that [fat female]. That’s really what causes all this confusion. Fat girls think because they are still getting action they’re fine."

    True. And I wonder how much of that is the influence of black culture on mainstream culture. Black females seem particularly prone to this mindset.

    "But really there are just a lot of dudes who will screw almost anything. I call them 'sexual athletes.' It’s actually awe-inspiring in a way."

    I just call them guys who are okay with hitting a crease.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  178. @Bill P
    @Kylie

    There are a lot of guys out there who would hit that. That's really what causes all this confusion. Fat girls think because they are still getting action they're fine.

    But really there are just a lot of dudes who will screw almost anything. I call them "sexual athletes." It's actually awe-inspiring in a way.

    Like, how do you do that? Although I'll admit I've surprised myself on occasion.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “There are a lot of guys out there who would hit that [fat female]. That’s really what causes all this confusion. Fat girls think because they are still getting action they’re fine.”

    True. And I wonder how much of that is the influence of black culture on mainstream culture. Black females seem particularly prone to this mindset.

    “But really there are just a lot of dudes who will screw almost anything. I call them ‘sexual athletes.’ It’s actually awe-inspiring in a way.”

    I just call them guys who are okay with hitting a crease.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Kylie

    True. And I wonder how much of that is the influence of black culture on mainstream culture. Black females seem particularly prone to this mindset.

    My guess is very little. I think a lot of Black females like being big. The large and in charge mentality.

    In rural America there is a problem with White women that gain weight and switch to the sweats and t-shirt lifestyle. Most of them don't gain it well and it ruins their natural curves. Some women can look good voluptuous but most White women are really designed to be thin and it doesn't go to their boobs or butt.

    The end result is that it screws up the dating market. An average woman in shape gets about a dozen men chasing her. So it seems pretty much expected for an average Joe White guy to have an overweight woman in sweats even if he is in shape. On some level these women are able to control the dating market. They can be overweight and in sweats but still have equal access to the men because they are the norm.

    I used to be against taxing sugar but the libertarian way has completely failed. Healthcare bills from obesity are astronomical. They are grossly underestimated because obesity can cause so many problems that aren't recorded as directly related. For example if an obese woman falls half a foot and breaks her ankle it is still a fall even though it wouldn't have happened if she was in shape. These types of injuries happen all the time.

    However our politicians are incapable of solving the problem even if they agreed to increase the cost of unhealthy foods through taxes. Republicans would propose a fake compromise with loopholes and Democrats would take the bait and then somehow work race into the equation. I think it was Seattle that included diet sodas in a soda tax because White people drink them.

    Anyways the only hope at this point is a wonder drug. Last I read there is supposed to be a pretty effective one in the pipeline.

    Or maybe this trash culture based on race denial will run its course. A lot of our problems stem from a refusal to face basic realities.

    Replies: @Kylie

  179. @Mike Tre
    OT - 35 year old negro stabs a 24 yo female bank teller to death in River North:

    https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/chase-employee-dies-after-being-stabbed-at-bank-in-river-north/

    Based on her name, Jessica Vilaythong, the victim appears to be at least part Asian. Another interracial murder no one will hear about.

    Replies: @cityview

    I’m glad you mentioned this tragic crime. I’ve written before that I live in Near North and have been watching it slide sharply downhill. (I never thought it was as good as some people said it was.) I can’t stop thinking about this, and left flowers at the bank’s door earlier tonight. (There were not many when I was there.) That makes at least three stabbings by deranged homeless men in the last few months in downtown Chicago: this one and the one near the Willis Tower, both fatal; and the one at Michigan and Chicago–avoid this intersection–in which the victim survived. I’ve never been someone who enjoyed reading crime news, but thank you once again to CWB Chicago for its prompt, accurate reports.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @riches
    @cityview

    I'll FIFY:  "That makes at least three stabbings by deranged homeless black men in the last few months in downtown Chicago."

    I know because I too read "CWB Chicago for its prompt, accurate reports"  And I live AT "the intersection of Michigan and Chicago"(avenues).

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @cityview

  180. @William Badwhite
    @res

    Thanks for the detail as well as the citations (your posts are always well cited, which makes them useful for discussing some of these topics outside of this blog).



    “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”
     
    More lack of agency. "Underserved" means Pokemon victims having to face consequences for their lifestyle, decisions, etc.

    Obese people aren't at fault for their obesity, and a healthcare system that can't make all obesity-related problems vanish is "underserving" them. If someone points out that obesity causes all sorts of health problems, they are a Bad Person.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    That’s it exactly. Well-stated.

    • Agree: Yngvar
  181. @Anon
    @anon

    Cope.

    Randomized studies (involving regular people) have consistently found that Asian women are perceived as more attractive than white women. Not single study has ever found that white women are preferred. Asian women get all the successful whife guys, drive through an upscale neighborhood some day.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1068/p5191

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3276508/

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0265407514541074 (study involving mostly WMAF)


    Compared with intraracial daters, interracial daters reported that their partners saw them more positively on attractiveness, cerebral, and relational attributes (Study 1), rated their partners more positively on attractiveness and cerebral attributes (Study 2), and were rated by independent coders as more physically attractive (Study 3). Implications are discussed.
     

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anon, @anon

    The actual hierarchy of desirability goes like this (factor in statistical likelihood of existence in the wild):

    1. Hot white women who are pleasant and not crazy (they exist)

    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    then,

    2. Hot Asian women (pleasant and not crazy is much more prevalent)

    *
    *
    then,

    3. Hot white women (of other varieties)

    *
    then,

    4. Regular Asian women

    then,

    5. Regular white women

    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    then,

    6. All other women, hot or not

    I’ve dated all of the above, and trust me, #1 is best, which is why that is what everyone else on planet earth also wants, which is a huge problem: white men who are a best fit for #1 are now in competition with men of all other races, who should be competing for #1 of their own race, but instead chase after white people’s #1. Ends in extinction.

    • Agree: Clyde
  182. @Buffalo Joe
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ach, governmaent over reach in Berkeley means you can no longer find candy or gum or snack foods at the check out counter. Too much temptation, but you can find a tent in Peoples' Park where they will test your drugs of choice to see if they are tainted with fentanyl...priorities.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Joe, I know you love reading that Berkeleyside newspaper on-line. That’s got to be a hell of a view of the world, akin to reading a patient produced newspaper in an old State Hospital.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ach, nicely stated. What's missing is the old State Hospitals for these people. Stay safe.

  183. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "salad boy!"

    People really don't like salad; they like salad dressing. Why else would they smother tomatoes, broccoli florets, carrots, and the assorted leafy greens under a blanket of pink or white goo. And that's what salad dressing is: goo of an indeterminate origin.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    For you and Ghost of Bull Moose: I don’t see how even the best of vegetables can taste as good as meat, or tasty baked goods, etc. for that matter. However, I eat them because I need to. I don’t put any dressing on most times, but yes, must people need that to mask the taste (or, just give good flavor vs. no flavor and endless chewing – celery, anyone?)

    Sure, depending on the veggies it can be mostly a lot of water, but there are vitamins and the roughage.

    They were right: Eat your veggies!

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Good afternoon Mr. Newman,

    I trust you're enjoying the weekend...

    Apple cider vinegar makes a nice healthy salad dressing.
    (Not the stuff that comes in plastic, that's for cleaning things.)

    https://cdn.powered-by-nitrosell.com/product_images/26/6472/large-BraggsAppleCiderVinegar_02.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  184. @epebble
    @Mr. Anon

    It reads like a Journalistic Twister, but that is because the (medical) case is complicated. Many Covid cases are like that - they involve multi-system failures and are hard to describe in simple language. Many Cancers are also like that.

    Out here in Oregon, we have ICU's nearly full and many previously scheduled surgeries are being cancelled/postponed. Some people have died in Ambulances waiting for a bed (in Southern Oregon). Life flight helicopters are taking Oregon patients as far as San Francisco and Montana (needing 6 - 8 hour flights tiring helicopter pilots - they are not made for comfort.) In the last few days four hospitals in the region (Tillamook, Salem and two in Portland) have ordered Refrigerated trucks (to be used as Morgues).

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon, @Achmed E. Newman

    Whoa, are you sure these life-flight helicopters are flying 6-8 hour flights? They don’t have that kind of range. If they were to make multiple stops, this would be highly inefficient. There are life-flight Lear Jets going 3-5 times as fast. Either way, this costs BIG BUCKS.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Achmed E. Newman

    In the UK they are simply euthanising the old folks they don’t have the beds or meds to treat. I agree that Life helicopters would be unlikely.

    , @epebble
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I too have the same doubts. But this:

    https://katu.com/news/coronavirus/covid-surge-puts-pressure-on-life-flight-medical-transport

    May be she is telling round trip times or that they fly 6 - 8 hours in a shift. I live two miles south of Providence Hospital in West Portland. When the Delta peak started, we used to hear constant drones of helis. (low power, low altitude distinctive drone); Now that ICUs are full, the flights have subsided (they can only bring a new patient when the current occupant passes).

  185. @Buzz Mohawk
    @TomSchmidt

    With all due respect, you are full of Scheiße.

    Comments like yours are one of the reasons why simpletons like me tremble in fear of the rapidly encroaching totalitarianism/communism.

    I have news for you: Practically everything is "addictive." If you want to know more, and since you like to lean on books, here is a recommendation, a classic:

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/110490.From_Chocolate_to_Morphine


    https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1389559197l/110490.jpg


    There is a certain, disturbing phenomenon here, and that is the tendency of commenters like you to recommend state control of individual behavior.

    Sure, some things are dangerous, and there are less-intrusive ways of helping and perhaps, if absolutely necessary, to regulate them. However, all of that depends on WHO/WHOM. WHO is doing the regulating, and WHOM are they controlling? The authors of The Constitution understood this, but civics education is so poor now that nobody under 60 even understands this.

    Chocolate is "addictive" and "mind-altering." So is coffee. Shall we give our overlords the power to limit our consumption of those things as well?

    Here is a little tidbit for you: Hardly any "mind-altering" substance you have been programmed to fear is as dangerous as you have been told it is. Have you ever tried one?

    If you really want to control how people consume "dangerous" substances, then why don't you try controlling their consumption of alcohol?

    Hmm?

    It was tried, and it failed miserably. Some things are not the domain of government, and some things in life are just crappy. Deal with it, and stop looking for a nanny.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @TomSchmidt

    Sure, some things are dangerous, and there are less-intrusive ways of helping and perhaps, if absolutely necessary, to regulate them. However, all of that depends on WHO/WHOM. WHO is doing the regulating, and WHOM are they controlling? The authors of The Constitution understood this, but civics education is so poor now that nobody under 60 even understands this.

    The authors of the constitution were working in society that was largely decentralized, with no large power block in control of the whole country. Of course, much of the impetus behind doing the constitution came as a result of Shays rebellion in Massachusetts. There was also a cabal desiring to buy essentially defaulted state war bonds for pennies on the dollar, and then have a way to have them paid off by a federal government.

    That cabal, or at least that idea, has continue to this day. The constitution has created and enables large on accountable organizations, including federal and state governments, and multinational corporation’s. At the same time, many of the civil rights changes in the 1960s have prevented groups from acting in a cohesive fashion. As a result, we have a situation where organizations like Purdue Pharma and Kraft can pursue science that works on the way that the human brain is put together, target individual isolated customers, sell them products that will generate “profit” while turning them into either opiate or sugar slaves, And use their money and influence over that far to centralized powerful federal government put together by the constitution to ensure that there is no challenge to their authority or ability to convert valuable human life into profit by pushing cheap commodities in place of life years.

    You’re absolutely right: it’s about who/whom. In this case, the constitutional liberal democratic republic has led to a situation where the tools of the government had become a weapon to be used against the people. We don’t need to go into the entirety of that here, but you’re commenting at Steve Siler site, so you know a lot of it. It would be better if there were no centralized control that someone could seize control of and do things like push national policies that pay \$30,000 if you put somebody with Covid on a ventilator. If individual states do something that stupid, the damage is limited. If the federal government comes up with the food pyramid that pushes carbs then we’re all going to suffer the consequences. The food companies didn’t come up with the food pyramid, but they didFigure out how to use it to put more sugar, salt, and sometimes fat into their food to increase sales. And “profits.”

    But those profits aren’t real profits. Those profits are the kinds of profits you get from burning down a forest to get the ashes to create potash; they’re not the result of entrepreneurial discovery. They are the result of taking cash from people and transferring sickness bills to them (and to Medicare and Medicaid). That’s where a government MIGHT step in,if it weren’t in on the grift. Ours is, so don’t expect anything to change at present.

    Chocolate is “addictive” and “mind-altering.” So is coffee. Shall we give our overlords the power to limit our consumption of those things as well?

    Here is a little tidbit for you: Hardly any “mind-altering” substance you have been programmed to fear is as dangerous as you have been told it is. Have you ever tried one?

    If you really want to control how people consume “dangerous” substances, then why don’t you try controlling their consumption of alcohol?

    The sugar in chocolate is more addicting. No one is over consuming 99% cacao dark. As to caffeine, I’ve cut back and don’t consume it after 10am; the effects on sleep have been positive, but that was a matter of reading the science about half-life in the body. Would I ban it? No, because I can imagine times I might need to affect sleep cycles to stay awake.

    One good thing about Prohibition: it was done constitutionally, as if that were required. Not much other good came out of it, but it did reduce many of the stresses that alcohol creates on society. Were those reductions in stresses worth it? Well, not when we needed tax revenue to fund the Federal government, and alcohol taxes from a repealed Prohibition appealed, not public health.

    When you use the word overlords, you’re recognizing that there are people who have captured the same power of the federal government to pursue their own ends. They pursue the interests of profits in their artificial printed federal dollars. The decisions that get made are entirely in the direction of the money paid to the federal representatives; you, individually, have no interest or influence with your representative. The relative study here is by Gillens at Princeton. The point being: the overlords are already using their power to direct us down pathways that are mostly not healthy. Purdue Pharma. Kraft. General foods. Do you at a minimum support taking away the power that they’re using?

    The data on the negative health effects of smoking or uncontroversial. Unquestioned. Bloomberg made a move to ban smoking in New York City restaurants, but not for individuals in their own homes. This was to prevent public health costs that result from smoking. I think the science of secondhand smoke is mostly largely nonsense, but I think Bloomberg’s target was the first hand smokers, and saving their lives. The people trying to encourage smoking or tobacco executives who swore before Congress that nicotine was not addictive.

    Do you think nicotine is addictive? They were paid and made a lot of money to pretend that it was not, even though their own scientists contradicted that.

    Philip Morris, a large tobacco company, that learned about the science of using addiction to sell more products, Quickly became a company that had more revenue coming from food, having bought General Foods and Kraft. Do you think they abandoned their old tricks?

    Look, I’m coming from a past of absolute opposition to anything like what I’ve written here. I’m pretty sure I know that wielding the sword of power against my enemies means that I’ve legitimized its use against myself. Also, that the credibility of the federal government has been completely flushed down the toilet, especially with the absolute ignoring of science, and use of mandates, especially those for public health. There’s clearly a public health justification for preventing the spreadSerious illnesses; what is that justifies lockdowns Covid is a different question. It’ll have to be a scientific question. Unfortunately, it’s become a political question, and when you mix politics and science, you get politics.

    Of course we haven’t had politics for a long time. Maybe we need to

    • Agree: BB753
    • Thanks: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Too Long Didn't Read
    @TomSchmidt

    Of course we haven’t had politics for a long time.



    Maybe we need to

    Learn to use MORE.

  186. @Achmed E. Newman
    @epebble

    Whoa, are you sure these life-flight helicopters are flying 6-8 hour flights? They don't have that kind of range. If they were to make multiple stops, this would be highly inefficient. There are life-flight Lear Jets going 3-5 times as fast. Either way, this costs BIG BUCKS.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @epebble

    In the UK they are simply euthanising the old folks they don’t have the beds or meds to treat. I agree that Life helicopters would be unlikely.

  187. @Jack D
    @Professional Slav

    Their problem might not be salt but sugar or fatty meats or something. Their pre-contact diet consisted mainly of taro root and sweet potatoes (which are starchy but the starch is somewhat different from the starches commonly found in Western foods) and seafood. Very little meat (a little dog now and then, a pig on special occasions) and very little fat aside from coconut. I'm not sure it was the healthiest diet to begin with in terms of longevity (vs. strength) but they were probably more optimized for it than whatever they are eating now.

    Generally speaking, the best diet for getting fat is one with a lot of variety which whets your appetite. If you are eating the same thing every day, even if it is high calorie (poi) you are going to get sick of it and not eat as much.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I assume “pig” in this context is a euphemism.

  188. @Calvin Hobbes
    @Leo D


    Curious, I wandered down the hall past the room and took a glance…young morbidly obese black women, maybe mid-twenties sitting on exam table while doctor was standing right next to her. She had her head turned away from him buried in her phone…absolutely ignoring him while he was trying to counsel her out of GOING BLIND…and she couldn’t give two shits about it.
     
    When blacks need an excuse for ignoring medical advice, they say “Tuskegee Experiment”.

    Though some will say “Tuskegee Airmen”, thinking that the Tuskegee Airmen must have been the subjects in the Tuskegee Experiment.

    The Tuskegee Experiment is an example of what Steve calls Antiquarianism, with claims of its current relevance growing even as the “Experiment” recedes into the distant past.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Welp, there was no “Tuskegee Experiment” in the first place.

    There WAS, however, a “Tuskegee STUDY” of syphilis. Which was a good place for it. Macon County, Alabama, the county where Tuskegee is the seat, had the highest percentage of venereal disease in the U.S. at the time.

    The “facts” about the Tuskegee Study are basically a bunch of BS.

    • Agree: The Griffins
  189. Exercise is superior to diet.

    Salads are great but they are pure carbohydrates

    But all calories are not equal. Not even close.

    I never cease to be amazed by the cocksuredness of absolutely stupid claims about food and exercise.

  190. @Sparkon
    @TomSchmidt

    You mentioned high fructose corn syrup, but not a word about the artificial sweeteners like Aspartame, which in my view are a very strong candidate for being the underlying cause of the obesity epidemic, along with a host of other health issues.

    Aspartame seems to mute the satiety signal, so people don't feel full and keep on gobbling. Aspartame promotes the growth of harmful gut bacteria, which not only kill off the beneficial gut bacteria, but also cause inflammation.

    In the early 1980s, during the Reagan presidency, towering A-hole Donald Rumsfeld played a key role in getting Aspartame approved for human consumption even though studies showed it caused tumors in mice.


    The FDA’s own toxicologist, Dr. Adrian Gross told Congress that without a shadow of a doubt, aspartame can cause brain tumors and brain cancer and that it violated the Delaney Amendment, which forbids putting anything in food that is known to cause cancer. According to the top doctors and researchers on this issue, aspartame causes headache, memory loss, seizures, vision loss, coma and cancer. It worsens or mimics the symptoms of such diseases and conditions as fibromyalgia, MS, lupus, ADD, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, chronic fatigue and depression. Further dangers highlighted is that aspartame liberates free methyl alcohol. The resulting chronic methanol poisoning affects the dopamine system of the brain causing addiction. Methanol, or wood alcohol, constitutes one third of the aspartame molecule and is classified as a severe metabolic poison and narcotic. How’s that Diet Coke treating you now?
     
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-rumsfeld-and-the-s_b_805581

    Replies: @Polistra, @John Johnson

    Is there good science behind the implication of aspartame?

    It’s troubling to me since I do ingest my fair share (though no sodas). If Rumsfeld is involved that’s doubly troubly. But I’m not quite troubled enough to visit HuffPo.

    Thanks for the quote anyway.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    @Polistra


    Is there good science behind the implication of aspartame?
     
    I think so, starting with FDA’s own toxicologist, Dr. Adrian Gross, mentioned in the passage I quoted, but read on, and weep:

    Aspartame: Decades of Science Point to Serious Health Risks

    Dozens of studies have linked aspartame — the world’s most widely used artificial sweetener — to serious health problems, including cancer, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, seizures, stroke and dementia, as well as negative effects such as intestinal dysbiosis, mood disorders, headaches and migraines.

    Evidence also links aspartame to weight gain, increased appetite and obesity-related diseases....

    Aspartame is present in more than 6,000 products, including Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi, Kool Aid, Crystal Light, Tango and other artificially sweetened drinks; sugar-free Jell-O products; Trident, Dentyne and most other brands of sugar-free gum; sugar-free hard candies; low- or no-sugar sweet condiments such as ketchups and dressings; children’s medicines, vitamins and cough drops.
     
    [my bold]


    [41 scientific studies cited in footnotes of linked moderately lengthy article from U.S. Right to Know]

    Replies: @John Johnson

  191. @Sparkon
    @TomSchmidt

    You mentioned high fructose corn syrup, but not a word about the artificial sweeteners like Aspartame, which in my view are a very strong candidate for being the underlying cause of the obesity epidemic, along with a host of other health issues.

    Aspartame seems to mute the satiety signal, so people don't feel full and keep on gobbling. Aspartame promotes the growth of harmful gut bacteria, which not only kill off the beneficial gut bacteria, but also cause inflammation.

    In the early 1980s, during the Reagan presidency, towering A-hole Donald Rumsfeld played a key role in getting Aspartame approved for human consumption even though studies showed it caused tumors in mice.


    The FDA’s own toxicologist, Dr. Adrian Gross told Congress that without a shadow of a doubt, aspartame can cause brain tumors and brain cancer and that it violated the Delaney Amendment, which forbids putting anything in food that is known to cause cancer. According to the top doctors and researchers on this issue, aspartame causes headache, memory loss, seizures, vision loss, coma and cancer. It worsens or mimics the symptoms of such diseases and conditions as fibromyalgia, MS, lupus, ADD, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, chronic fatigue and depression. Further dangers highlighted is that aspartame liberates free methyl alcohol. The resulting chronic methanol poisoning affects the dopamine system of the brain causing addiction. Methanol, or wood alcohol, constitutes one third of the aspartame molecule and is classified as a severe metabolic poison and narcotic. How’s that Diet Coke treating you now?
     
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-rumsfeld-and-the-s_b_805581

    Replies: @Polistra, @John Johnson

    You mentioned high fructose corn syrup, but not a word about the artificial sweeteners like Aspartame, which in my view are a very strong candidate for being the underlying cause of the obesity epidemic

    Not a viable theory since there are third world countries that use regular sugar in their sodas but now have the same obesity problem.

    To understand the obesity problem all you have to do is talk to someone that has worked at a supermarket.

    The fattest people have the worst carts. People that are in shape are not buying 5 pounds of M&Ms.

    Or talk to someone that has worked fast food. Ask how many obese people they get that order a super sized meal but with a diet coke to try and reduce the calories. The diet coke is not the problem.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  192. @Anonymous
    @Sick of Orcs

    It's funny that 'diet' is almost synonymous with 'not eat'.

    Diet means food but has come to mean do-not-eat or eat-less in the late modern context.

    In the past when food was scarce or costly, the economics kept one's diet responsible.

    But with availability of so much cheap food, there aren't any external restrictions on one's eating habits. Even poor people can eat a lot of food. So, the restrictions must be internal, personally enforced.

    That would be easier in a shame culture, but with the rise of shameless youth culture, black culture, homosexual culture, and tattoo culture, it's anything goes when it comes to appetites and indulgences.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs

    Caloric density is another issue. A 2-pack of 21st century Twinkies has close to 300 calories, which is an entire meal’s worth for people eating small meals each day.

  193. @Carol
    Is there a obesity/IQ correlation? It seems like most fat people fall into the stupid category. (And are crazy, because they have to rationalize what they're doing to themselves.)

    Or does fat make you stupid?

    Replies: @Kratoklastes, @res

    Not only is there a correlation, but it appears the direction of causality is IQ -> obesity.

    Intelligence and obesity: which way does the causal direction go?
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25102406/

    Abstract

    Purpose of review: The negative association between intelligence and obesity has been well established, but the direction of causality is unclear. The present review surveys the recent studies on the topic with both cross-sectional and longitudinal data in an attempt to establish causality.

    Recent findings: Most studies in the area employ cross-sectional data and conclude (without empirical justification) that obesity causes intellectual impairment. The few studies that employ prospectively longitudinal data, however, uniformly conclude that lower intelligence leads to BMI gains and obesity. A close examination of three such studies, from three different nations (Sweden, New Zealand, and the UK), leaves little doubt that the causality runs from low intelligence to obesity.

    Summary: The conclusion in previous studies that obesity impairs cognitive function stems from improper interpretation of a negative association between intelligence and obesity from cross-sectional studies. Results from the analyses of high-quality, population-based, prospectively longitudinal data firmly establish that low intelligence increases the chances of obesity.

    Article discussing that and other studies.
    http://www.brainblogger.com/2016/10/28/effect-of-obesity-on-human-brain/

  194. @Kylie
    @Bill P

    "There are a lot of guys out there who would hit that [fat female]. That’s really what causes all this confusion. Fat girls think because they are still getting action they’re fine."

    True. And I wonder how much of that is the influence of black culture on mainstream culture. Black females seem particularly prone to this mindset.

    "But really there are just a lot of dudes who will screw almost anything. I call them 'sexual athletes.' It’s actually awe-inspiring in a way."

    I just call them guys who are okay with hitting a crease.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    True. And I wonder how much of that is the influence of black culture on mainstream culture. Black females seem particularly prone to this mindset.

    My guess is very little. I think a lot of Black females like being big. The large and in charge mentality.

    In rural America there is a problem with White women that gain weight and switch to the sweats and t-shirt lifestyle. Most of them don’t gain it well and it ruins their natural curves. Some women can look good voluptuous but most White women are really designed to be thin and it doesn’t go to their boobs or butt.

    The end result is that it screws up the dating market. An average woman in shape gets about a dozen men chasing her. So it seems pretty much expected for an average Joe White guy to have an overweight woman in sweats even if he is in shape. On some level these women are able to control the dating market. They can be overweight and in sweats but still have equal access to the men because they are the norm.

    I used to be against taxing sugar but the libertarian way has completely failed. Healthcare bills from obesity are astronomical. They are grossly underestimated because obesity can cause so many problems that aren’t recorded as directly related. For example if an obese woman falls half a foot and breaks her ankle it is still a fall even though it wouldn’t have happened if she was in shape. These types of injuries happen all the time.

    However our politicians are incapable of solving the problem even if they agreed to increase the cost of unhealthy foods through taxes. Republicans would propose a fake compromise with loopholes and Democrats would take the bait and then somehow work race into the equation. I think it was Seattle that included diet sodas in a soda tax because White people drink them.

    Anyways the only hope at this point is a wonder drug. Last I read there is supposed to be a pretty effective one in the pipeline.

    Or maybe this trash culture based on race denial will run its course. A lot of our problems stem from a refusal to face basic realities.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @John Johnson

    "In rural America there is a problem with White women that gain weight and switch to the sweats and t-shirt lifestyle. Most of them don’t gain it well and it ruins their natural curves. Some women can look good voluptuous but most White women are really designed to be thin and it doesn’t go to their boobs or butt."

    You're preaching to the choir--I live in a rural area. Anywhere I go, I see a constant parade of fatties--not just 20 or 30 lbs overweight--but morbidly obese. And yes, it seems as if more of them are female than male. Apparently, both "diet" and "shame" are not in their vocabularies. It's awful. How do they stand it? Not just their crummy appearances but the loss of mobility?


    (FWIW, I weigh 136 lbs and am 5'7" tall. I do have some middle-aged spread but have no obesity-related health problems.)

  195. @El Dato
    @res

    Why would one need a salt substitute?

    People who don't get rid of salt have a big metabolic problem, but it has nothing to do with salt. In fact, AFAIK the link between hypertension and salt uptake, which is still haunting the medical profession like the ghost of homeopathy, is causally backwards.

    Replies: @res

    FWIW, I think the hypertension/salt connection is more a matter of hypertension being caused by an excess of dietary sodium relative to potassium (high Na/K ratio) rather than just sodium intake by itself. There is a research literature about this (a quick search shows a fair amount in the last 10 years), but here is an older book on the topic.
    https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-High-Blood-Pressure-Solution/Richard-D-Moore/9780892819751

    The reason to focus on a salt substitute is it allows modification of the NA/K ratio with minimum effort and little change in habits.

    As others have noted, cutting down on sugar is probably even more important, but IMHO much harder.

  196. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Half Canadian

    No. You are wrong, because nobody can be trusted to decide what those "products or services that increase the likelihood of using those services" ARE.

    Do you, my Canadian friend, even understand this?

    I realize your country, your people, have lived under the wealth, benefit and sheer FIGHT of my people. (I mean MY people, not, for God's sake, yours, your loyalist yours!)_ I would have too, but I haven't had the luxury you have.

    So, let's get back to facts. "Taxes on products or services that increase the likelihood of using those services."

    LOL

    I understand, but I also understand the impossibility of determining exactly who/whom is either a cause / or a beneficiary of such reasoning.

    Your country is still a pathetic vestige of the old Empire, and your comment is part of that.

    In other, simple, words, who, exactly, is to decide which "products or services" should be thus managed?

    Replies: @res

    In other, simple, words, who, exactly, is to decide which “products or services” should be thus managed?

    That is exactly the problem. And anyone who has paid attention to various horrible official dietary recommendations of the last 50+ years should be able to see it quite clearly.

  197. @slumber_j
    @Buzz Mohawk


    … and completely ignoring the superior effects EXERCISE has on health and body fat content.
     
    Right, and particularly more explosive stuff and weight training. Public-heath officialdom's emphasis on cardiovascular exercise is the equivalent of the food pyramid: take a longish brisk walk, and you're fine in that department. If you want to control weight and actually feel good, try a little lifting and sprinting--and it doesn't need to be very much, you don't need to get ripped or whatever. It's boring, but so is everything, and at least it doesn't last very long.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Anon, @3g4me

    @34 slumber _i: Do you seriously find lifting ‘boring’? It’s cardio that bores me, but I do it because it warms up all my muscles and it’s good for my heart, and it also burns some calories. But it’s lifting I enjoy, and unlike 95% of gym goers I don’t bring my phone with me and park my backside on a machine or bench and scan the web for 10 minutes between sets. I hustle and rest the minimum, so I get a cardio boost along with my muscular workout. Most women are terrified of lifting more than 10 pounds (and most women over 50 are incapable of doing so) and they generally have terrible technique. The young ones are more about exposing as much skin as possible and flirting with the blacks and browns, and the older ones tend to stick to group classes or walking on the treadmill. About 75% of the people in the gym are essentially wasting their time or there for no purpose directly related to improving their health and/or appearance. But then, most people are idiots, and that applies everywhere and always.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @3g4me

    I used to find cardio boring, but I got some bluetooth headphones, and now I can listen to Radio Derb or the Unregistered Podcast on the machines. I wear soundproofing ear covers like the kind used on construction sites. That way I can keep the volume on my headphones down and also block out the 3rd world music the gym plays. Of course, sprints would be better, but I can't do that for reasons.

  198. @Pixo
    @Jack D

    Libertarian twaddle.

    The government already banned asbestos, fruity flavored Juul cartridges, BPA, lead paint, and trans fat, and somehow we’re not sliding down a slippery slope of soylent deliveries.

    Drinking 64oz of sugar soda is more harmful to the body than taking a single opiate pill. And as far as addiction, virtually everyone has had a vicodin or morphine at some point in their lives, but few are addicted. On the other hand, a majority of Americans are overweight and about a third are obese.

    Nudging people to more healthful behaviors works. Cigarettes are perfectly legal, but higher taxes and place restrictions helped millions of our people avoid a painful death hacking up blood from their failing lungs.

    Replies: @3g4me

    @94 Pixo: You are proposing far more than ‘nudging’ people into more healthful behaviors. The number of vaxx notsees and food notsees at Sailer is hardly surprising – you’re all so utterly convinced that you are just wise enough, just edgy enough, to not be either a left or right side ‘nut job.’

    May you all live in your imagined high IQ, low sugar, low fat, multicultural paradise forever, far apart from anything icky like self responsibility and privacy and loyalty to one’s own people.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @3g4me

    May you all live in your imagined high IQ, low sugar, low fat, multicultural paradise forever, far apart from anything icky like self responsibility and privacy and loyalty to one’s own people.

    Well there are plenty of conservative and libertarian websites where you can sit around and pretend that the "free market" will someone fix this even though it hasn't. If anything the "free market" is half the problem by constantly putting profit above public health.

    The FreeDumb(tm) crowd has had the helm numerous times and can't even explain the plan. How do we stop the trend of White people becoming tv and anti-depressant addicted land trolls?

    DERRR I DUNNO, TV SAYS RACE DOESN'T EXIST LETS GO WATCH FOOTBALL AND WAVE FLAGS

    Not everyone here identifies as conservative so deal with it.

    Replies: @3g4me

  199. @Clyde
    @Kratoklastes


    during winter, VitD3 10,o00 IU.
     
    Good account! You are smarter than the average bear. Congrats on the weight loss. A female relative lost 60lbs in 8 months by going lo-carb + exercise. From 180 down to 120 four years ago, and has kept the weight off. During her lo-carb weight loss she lived on three canned tuna fish daily, plus cooked vegetables (greens) and raw salads. She is still lo-carb and got her husband on this too.
    She never had a diabetes diagnosis, but when she was 180lbs she had a diabetic episode that scared her. One day she had extreme thirst and pains in her legs. She read Bernstein's book on diabetes (380 reviews at Amazon) and adopted his low-carb program. Her favorite food that got her ballooning up to a land whale 180lbs, this was bagels with cream cheese and smoked salmon (lols)

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/58898707596638435/

    she lived on three canned tuna fish daily

    Three (two-, maybe five-ounce) cans of tuna fish daily, I hope.

    Not many folk could down about 1/3 of a ton of tuna daily. Hats off to her.
    Wouldn’t like to be stuck in an elevator with her, mind.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Expletive Deleted

    Sadly, we must report that the poor woman died the very next week--of mercury poisoning, needless to add.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @Alden
    @Expletive Deleted

    Right. Tuna fish are huge. But most people think in terms of cans of tuna.

  200. @Achmed E. Newman
    @epebble

    Whoa, are you sure these life-flight helicopters are flying 6-8 hour flights? They don't have that kind of range. If they were to make multiple stops, this would be highly inefficient. There are life-flight Lear Jets going 3-5 times as fast. Either way, this costs BIG BUCKS.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @epebble

    I too have the same doubts. But this:

    https://katu.com/news/coronavirus/covid-surge-puts-pressure-on-life-flight-medical-transport

    May be she is telling round trip times or that they fly 6 – 8 hours in a shift. I live two miles south of Providence Hospital in West Portland. When the Delta peak started, we used to hear constant drones of helis. (low power, low altitude distinctive drone); Now that ICUs are full, the flights have subsided (they can only bring a new patient when the current occupant passes).

  201. @cityview
    @Mike Tre

    I'm glad you mentioned this tragic crime. I've written before that I live in Near North and have been watching it slide sharply downhill. (I never thought it was as good as some people said it was.) I can't stop thinking about this, and left flowers at the bank's door earlier tonight. (There were not many when I was there.) That makes at least three stabbings by deranged homeless men in the last few months in downtown Chicago: this one and the one near the Willis Tower, both fatal; and the one at Michigan and Chicago--avoid this intersection--in which the victim survived. I've never been someone who enjoyed reading crime news, but thank you once again to CWB Chicago for its prompt, accurate reports.

    Replies: @riches

    I’ll FIFY:  “That makes at least three stabbings by deranged homeless black men in the last few months in downtown Chicago.”

    I know because I too read “CWB Chicago for its prompt, accurate reports”  And I live AT “the intersection of Michigan and Chicago”(avenues).

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @riches

    In the Hancock building? I used to bounce at The Lodge on Rush and Division. We used to pay the dregs from Cabrini Green in shots to haul the trash cans for the bottle drops out of the basement and dump them into the dumpster.

    Replies: @cityview

    , @cityview
    @riches

    Then my apologies on the intersection: I'm not insulting where you live--everyone in Near North is getting pummeled.

  202. @Mr. Anon
    Check out the inconsistancies in this story, about a man in Nebraska who had to be flown to Iowa to get an ICU bed:

    Auburn doctor called 23 hospitals before finding ICU bed for seriously ill patient

    https://siouxcityjournal.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/article_96028054-e34b-524d-b76f-e0495e380df5.html
     

    I guess ICU beds in Nebraska are full, probably because of those evil un-vaxxed COVID patients. Except this guy was also a COVID patient. Except that he wasn't - the doctor said he tested negative. But it had to be COVID - it just had to be. Oh - by the way - he was full vaccinated too. And his problems started soon after getting vaccinated. But it was the COVID that got him. Certainly not the vaccine.

    This story is like a journalistic version of Twister. What contorted narrative can we flog in order to deflect any blame from the vaccine.

    Replies: @epebble, @Adam Smith

    Lol… The most sinister of viruses does not follow any rules.

  203. @res
    @Buzz Mohawk


    This is never the solution. Allowing government to manipulate you into behaviors deemed preferable by government is always a mistake.
     
    But it is so seductive. As an example, I think Finland's policy to promote salt substitutes in processed foods is a win for public health. This paper look at a number of countries doing similar things.
    Effective population-wide public health interventions to promote sodium reduction
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2764755/

    Finland is interesting because their Pansalt has more than potassium (the typical salt substitute is just a mix of sodium and potassium chloride in varying proportions).
    https://oribalt.lv/en/24/pansalt

    Ingredients: 57 % sodium chloride, 28 % potassium chloride, 12 % magnesium sulphate, 2 % lysine hydrochloride, 1 % silicon dioxide and 0.0036 % iodine. Pansalt contains iodine 25 mg/kg.

     

    My choice for government intervention would be to encourage/subsidize the healthier alternatives (here Pansalt) rather than taxing (a decent option IMHO, though the slippery slope is pernicious) or banning (worst alternative) the "bad" choices. For Pansalt at commercial scale I suspect the price would not be that bad, but right now it is hard to find in the US at all. Someone marketed it in the mid-1990s, but I don't know what happened.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/06/nyregion/salt-substitute-from-tarrytown-company.html

    AFAICT Pansalt is either expensive or unavailable in the US. At commercial scale I think it would be much more competitive.

    P.S. Part of the solution is to stop subsidizing unhealthy food. A significant part of our agricultural programs has exactly that effect (e.g. corn subsidies and high fructose corn syrup).

    Replies: @Jack D, @stillCARealist, @Peterike, @El Dato, @Jack D

    Note also this China study:

    https://www.georgeinstitute.org/projects/china-salt-substitute-and-stroke-study-ssass

    The salt substitute they used was cheap, costing approx. US\$1.62 per kilo versus US\$1.08 per kilo for regular salt. The formula was very simple – 75% table salt and 25% potassium chloride.

    Morton’s makes a product that is already pre-mixed 50% sodium/ 50% potassium salt. The reviews say that it tastes just like regular table salt. I’m going to give it a try – it seems like an easy substitution with very little downside. If it’s too pricey for your budget you could mix it 50/50 with table salt which would give you the formula used in the Chinese study and which produced statistically significant reductions in stroke and heart attack.

    • Replies: @res
    @Jack D

    Thanks. I actually have one of those in my cupboard. I don't really use it though since I don't use much salt in general. It's a relic of when I was trying different things.

    The big issue (and the reason I keep harping on Finland) is salt in processed food. Since I don't eat much of that and do eat plenty of fruit it's not really an issue for me, but as a public health concern in the US...

    Your roll your own solutions are exactly the kind of thing I might do. But are also the kind of thing most people won't go to the trouble to do.

    P.S. Here is a US source for something like the Finnish formula. The PDF talks a bit about the magnesium and lysine components. Unfortunately it is priced like a luxury rather than a staple.
    https://tahomaclinic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Introducing-Wright-Salt.pdf

  204. @Anon
    @anon

    Cope.

    Randomized studies (involving regular people) have consistently found that Asian women are perceived as more attractive than white women. Not single study has ever found that white women are preferred. Asian women get all the successful whife guys, drive through an upscale neighborhood some day.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1068/p5191

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3276508/

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0265407514541074 (study involving mostly WMAF)


    Compared with intraracial daters, interracial daters reported that their partners saw them more positively on attractiveness, cerebral, and relational attributes (Study 1), rated their partners more positively on attractiveness and cerebral attributes (Study 2), and were rated by independent coders as more physically attractive (Study 3). Implications are discussed.
     

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anon, @anon

    Cope.

    Troll

  205. @TomSchmidt
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Sure, some things are dangerous, and there are less-intrusive ways of helping and perhaps, if absolutely necessary, to regulate them. However, all of that depends on WHO/WHOM. WHO is doing the regulating, and WHOM are they controlling? The authors of The Constitution understood this, but civics education is so poor now that nobody under 60 even understands this.
     
    The authors of the constitution were working in society that was largely decentralized, with no large power block in control of the whole country. Of course, much of the impetus behind doing the constitution came as a result of Shays rebellion in Massachusetts. There was also a cabal desiring to buy essentially defaulted state war bonds for pennies on the dollar, and then have a way to have them paid off by a federal government.

    That cabal, or at least that idea, has continue to this day. The constitution has created and enables large on accountable organizations, including federal and state governments, and multinational corporation's. At the same time, many of the civil rights changes in the 1960s have prevented groups from acting in a cohesive fashion. As a result, we have a situation where organizations like Purdue Pharma and Kraft can pursue science that works on the way that the human brain is put together, target individual isolated customers, sell them products that will generate "profit" while turning them into either opiate or sugar slaves, And use their money and influence over that far to centralized powerful federal government put together by the constitution to ensure that there is no challenge to their authority or ability to convert valuable human life into profit by pushing cheap commodities in place of life years.

    You're absolutely right: it's about who/whom. In this case, the constitutional liberal democratic republic has led to a situation where the tools of the government had become a weapon to be used against the people. We don't need to go into the entirety of that here, but you're commenting at Steve Siler site, so you know a lot of it. It would be better if there were no centralized control that someone could seize control of and do things like push national policies that pay $30,000 if you put somebody with Covid on a ventilator. If individual states do something that stupid, the damage is limited. If the federal government comes up with the food pyramid that pushes carbs then we're all going to suffer the consequences. The food companies didn't come up with the food pyramid, but they didFigure out how to use it to put more sugar, salt, and sometimes fat into their food to increase sales. And "profits."

    But those profits aren't real profits. Those profits are the kinds of profits you get from burning down a forest to get the ashes to create potash; they're not the result of entrepreneurial discovery. They are the result of taking cash from people and transferring sickness bills to them (and to Medicare and Medicaid). That's where a government MIGHT step in,if it weren't in on the grift. Ours is, so don't expect anything to change at present.


    Chocolate is “addictive” and “mind-altering.” So is coffee. Shall we give our overlords the power to limit our consumption of those things as well?

    Here is a little tidbit for you: Hardly any “mind-altering” substance you have been programmed to fear is as dangerous as you have been told it is. Have you ever tried one?

    If you really want to control how people consume “dangerous” substances, then why don’t you try controlling their consumption of alcohol?
     
    The sugar in chocolate is more addicting. No one is over consuming 99% cacao dark. As to caffeine, I've cut back and don't consume it after 10am; the effects on sleep have been positive, but that was a matter of reading the science about half-life in the body. Would I ban it? No, because I can imagine times I might need to affect sleep cycles to stay awake.

    One good thing about Prohibition: it was done constitutionally, as if that were required. Not much other good came out of it, but it did reduce many of the stresses that alcohol creates on society. Were those reductions in stresses worth it? Well, not when we needed tax revenue to fund the Federal government, and alcohol taxes from a repealed Prohibition appealed, not public health.

    When you use the word overlords, you're recognizing that there are people who have captured the same power of the federal government to pursue their own ends. They pursue the interests of profits in their artificial printed federal dollars. The decisions that get made are entirely in the direction of the money paid to the federal representatives; you, individually, have no interest or influence with your representative. The relative study here is by Gillens at Princeton. The point being: the overlords are already using their power to direct us down pathways that are mostly not healthy. Purdue Pharma. Kraft. General foods. Do you at a minimum support taking away the power that they're using?

    The data on the negative health effects of smoking or uncontroversial. Unquestioned. Bloomberg made a move to ban smoking in New York City restaurants, but not for individuals in their own homes. This was to prevent public health costs that result from smoking. I think the science of secondhand smoke is mostly largely nonsense, but I think Bloomberg's target was the first hand smokers, and saving their lives. The people trying to encourage smoking or tobacco executives who swore before Congress that nicotine was not addictive.

    Do you think nicotine is addictive? They were paid and made a lot of money to pretend that it was not, even though their own scientists contradicted that.

    Philip Morris, a large tobacco company, that learned about the science of using addiction to sell more products, Quickly became a company that had more revenue coming from food, having bought General Foods and Kraft. Do you think they abandoned their old tricks?

    Look, I'm coming from a past of absolute opposition to anything like what I've written here. I'm pretty sure I know that wielding the sword of power against my enemies means that I've legitimized its use against myself. Also, that the credibility of the federal government has been completely flushed down the toilet, especially with the absolute ignoring of science, and use of mandates, especially those for public health. There's clearly a public health justification for preventing the spreadSerious illnesses; what is that justifies lockdowns Covid is a different question. It'll have to be a scientific question. Unfortunately, it's become a political question, and when you mix politics and science, you get politics.

    Of course we haven't had politics for a long time. Maybe we need to

    Replies: @Too Long Didn't Read

    Of course we haven’t had politics for a long time.

    [MORE]

    Maybe we need to

    Learn to use MORE.

  206. @John Johnson
    @Kylie

    True. And I wonder how much of that is the influence of black culture on mainstream culture. Black females seem particularly prone to this mindset.

    My guess is very little. I think a lot of Black females like being big. The large and in charge mentality.

    In rural America there is a problem with White women that gain weight and switch to the sweats and t-shirt lifestyle. Most of them don't gain it well and it ruins their natural curves. Some women can look good voluptuous but most White women are really designed to be thin and it doesn't go to their boobs or butt.

    The end result is that it screws up the dating market. An average woman in shape gets about a dozen men chasing her. So it seems pretty much expected for an average Joe White guy to have an overweight woman in sweats even if he is in shape. On some level these women are able to control the dating market. They can be overweight and in sweats but still have equal access to the men because they are the norm.

    I used to be against taxing sugar but the libertarian way has completely failed. Healthcare bills from obesity are astronomical. They are grossly underestimated because obesity can cause so many problems that aren't recorded as directly related. For example if an obese woman falls half a foot and breaks her ankle it is still a fall even though it wouldn't have happened if she was in shape. These types of injuries happen all the time.

    However our politicians are incapable of solving the problem even if they agreed to increase the cost of unhealthy foods through taxes. Republicans would propose a fake compromise with loopholes and Democrats would take the bait and then somehow work race into the equation. I think it was Seattle that included diet sodas in a soda tax because White people drink them.

    Anyways the only hope at this point is a wonder drug. Last I read there is supposed to be a pretty effective one in the pipeline.

    Or maybe this trash culture based on race denial will run its course. A lot of our problems stem from a refusal to face basic realities.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “In rural America there is a problem with White women that gain weight and switch to the sweats and t-shirt lifestyle. Most of them don’t gain it well and it ruins their natural curves. Some women can look good voluptuous but most White women are really designed to be thin and it doesn’t go to their boobs or butt.”

    You’re preaching to the choir–I live in a rural area. Anywhere I go, I see a constant parade of fatties–not just 20 or 30 lbs overweight–but morbidly obese. And yes, it seems as if more of them are female than male. Apparently, both “diet” and “shame” are not in their vocabularies. It’s awful. How do they stand it? Not just their crummy appearances but the loss of mobility?

    (FWIW, I weigh 136 lbs and am 5’7″ tall. I do have some middle-aged spread but have no obesity-related health problems.)

  207. An Ate Crime. Can’t tolerate that.

  208. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Verymuchalive
    He owns a $21 million house and is married to an "Iranian-Jewish billionaire heiress", so obviously he has his finger on the pulse of reality.
    https://variety.com/2019/dirt/real-estate/jonathan-neman-house-1203282289/

    It would be interesting to know how much of the money that bought the house was his rather than hers. Probably not much. He is part-owner of 100 restaurants with $10 and $15 menus. There doesn't seem to be a massive amount of profit in that. This leads to the second point.

    It would be interesting to know how his wife's family managed to smuggle their money out of Iran, if they are indeed billionaires. Also, are they using Neman's company to launder their money?

    Replies: @TWS, @Anonymous

    If his wife’s family were billionaires, guarantied, they never kept their money in Iran in the first place. You don’t get to be a billionaire by being a moron. They undoubtedly saw the writing on the wall and had it all in the US or Europe long before. By the way when you move your own money from one country to another, it isn’t smuggling. It is a bank transfer. I’m glad they brought it here.

  209. @Achmed E. Newman
    @SunBakedSuburb

    For you and Ghost of Bull Moose: I don't see how even the best of vegetables can taste as good as meat, or tasty baked goods, etc. for that matter. However, I eat them because I need to. I don't put any dressing on most times, but yes, must people need that to mask the taste (or, just give good flavor vs. no flavor and endless chewing - celery, anyone?)

    Sure, depending on the veggies it can be mostly a lot of water, but there are vitamins and the roughage.

    They were right: Eat your veggies!

    Replies: @Adam Smith

    Good afternoon Mr. Newman,

    I trust you’re enjoying the weekend…

    Apple cider vinegar makes a nice healthy salad dressing.
    (Not the stuff that comes in plastic, that’s for cleaning things.)

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Adam Smith

    It's not Newman's Own (heh!), but this is what my wife has used for us a number of times (otherwise nada). It probably wasn't this brand though. Thanks, Adam.

    Busy, but good weekend here. I hope you've got some cool air up there.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  210. @riches
    @cityview

    I'll FIFY:  "That makes at least three stabbings by deranged homeless black men in the last few months in downtown Chicago."

    I know because I too read "CWB Chicago for its prompt, accurate reports"  And I live AT "the intersection of Michigan and Chicago"(avenues).

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @cityview

    In the Hancock building? I used to bounce at The Lodge on Rush and Division. We used to pay the dregs from Cabrini Green in shots to haul the trash cans for the bottle drops out of the basement and dump them into the dumpster.

    • Replies: @cityview
    @Mike Tre

    Mike--the other commenter hasn't replied, so I will. No, the (former) John Hancock building is a few more blocks north. The Michigan and Chicago corner where this crime happened a few months ago has a Walgreen's located in a 1960s-era condo building. Although the store is busy, the sidewalk area outside isn't one of the best. If you continue west along E. Chicago, you come to the State and Chicago subway entrance--another corner to avoid if possible. There are many stretches in Near North that I myself avoid, and I would say that if my own building were on one of them.

    Since you mentioned the John Hancock, during the evening rush hour one day last week I saw in front of the building something I've never seen before--an unattractive young man, standing almost frozen in place, with his arms and legs bent, making odd shrieks. His friend was trying to help him walk.

  211. @riches
    @cityview

    I'll FIFY:  "That makes at least three stabbings by deranged homeless black men in the last few months in downtown Chicago."

    I know because I too read "CWB Chicago for its prompt, accurate reports"  And I live AT "the intersection of Michigan and Chicago"(avenues).

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @cityview

    Then my apologies on the intersection: I’m not insulting where you live–everyone in Near North is getting pummeled.

  212. @Expletive Deleted
    @Clyde

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/58898707596638435/


    she lived on three canned tuna fish daily
     
    Three (two-, maybe five-ounce) cans of tuna fish daily, I hope.

    Not many folk could down about 1/3 of a ton of tuna daily. Hats off to her.
    Wouldn't like to be stuck in an elevator with her, mind.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Alden

    Sadly, we must report that the poor woman died the very next week–of mercury poisoning, needless to add.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @HammerJack

    "–of mercury poisoning, needless to add."

    Was Graham Parker sighted fleeing the crime scene?

  213. @Polistra
    @Sparkon

    Is there good science behind the implication of aspartame?

    It's troubling to me since I do ingest my fair share (though no sodas). If Rumsfeld is involved that's doubly troubly. But I'm not quite troubled enough to visit HuffPo.

    Thanks for the quote anyway.

    Replies: @Sparkon

    Is there good science behind the implication of aspartame?

    I think so, starting with FDA’s own toxicologist, Dr. Adrian Gross, mentioned in the passage I quoted, but read on, and weep:

    Aspartame: Decades of Science Point to Serious Health Risks

    Dozens of studies have linked aspartame — the world’s most widely used artificial sweetener — to serious health problems, including cancer, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, seizures, stroke and dementia, as well as negative effects such as intestinal dysbiosis, mood disorders, headaches and migraines.

    Evidence also links aspartame to weight gain, increased appetite and obesity-related diseases….

    Aspartame is present in more than 6,000 products, including Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi, Kool Aid, Crystal Light, Tango and other artificially sweetened drinks; sugar-free Jell-O products; Trident, Dentyne and most other brands of sugar-free gum; sugar-free hard candies; low- or no-sugar sweet condiments such as ketchups and dressings; children’s medicines, vitamins and cough drops.

    [my bold]

    [41 scientific studies cited in footnotes of linked moderately lengthy article from U.S. Right to Know]

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Sparkon

    Dozens of studies have linked aspartame — the world’s most widely used artificial sweetener — to serious health problems, including cancer, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, seizures, stroke and dementia, as well as negative effects such as intestinal dysbiosis, mood disorders, headaches and migraine

    The UK is a lot more strict about additives and they set the daily limit of aspartame to be 12 cans of soda a day. Drinking 12 cans of any type of soda is a bad idea.

    Most of those studies are just looking at overall diet as reported by volunteers.

    I guarantee that if we banned aspartame then environmental groups would generate the same studies with Sucralose. Obese people that report drinking soda with Sucralose are 25x more likely to have health problems than vegans that drink water!!!

    As I said in another post there are third world countries that don't use any artificial sweeteners have have the same problems with obesity. Mexican Coke has always used sugar and they have a huge problem with diabetes so there goes the theories that some type of unique component of HFCS or aspartame are to blame for US obesity. The anti-HFSC crowd has been generating the same studies with the belief that there must be something evil in the molecular structure of corn syrup since it comes from an industrial process. The problem is that Americans buy 32 oz sodas or sweet teas and drink them with a high calorie meal. I am pretty good size and I can't imagine drinking a 32 oz soda.

    Replies: @Sparkon

  214. @theMann
    ok everybody!

    You have got to develop the mental discipline to screen out the incessant whinging of hysterical nitwits.


    In the meantime, I wonder if rising food prices are going to get everybody to lose some weight. Weirdly, I kind of like organic grass feed beef costing almost as much as venison, lamb, or salmon.


    Salads remain basically bupkus - unless it is a spinach salad or something along those lines, there is actually very little nutritional value. Fruit salad, that can be high impact nutrition.


    Now if you will excuse me, I have venison burgers, salmon, and Armadillo eggs to grill this weekend.

    Replies: @Alden

    Sorry; raw spinach can’t be absorbed. So it has no nutritional value whatsoever. Cooked spinach is easily absorbed and is full of iron. Iron needs a bit of vitamin C to activate it. So spinach with a squish of lemon. I love raw spinach salad though.

    In my opinion, the lowest value food in America is a Subway Sandwich. One layer of the thinnest possible slices of meat substitute. A huge pile of industrial quality lettuce disgusting slimy slices of red thing. Other slimy watery slices of icky things. One and 1/2 inches of bread top and bottom. \$6 for a small and \$9 to \$12 for the large size. And you have to look at those containers of disgusting ingredients.

    Best way to lose weight or avoid weight gain is to stop eating Mexican asian and Italian American food. It’s basically rice noodles beans tortillas and egg roll wraps and cheese for the Italian. With a few tablespoons of vegetables and no more than 2 tablespoons of meat scraps. An enchilada plate can have 1500 calories 90 percent carbs. The nutritionists who claim asian food is not fattening because of the little meat large vegetable portions are liars. They forget about the 6 ounces or 800 calories of rice the meat scraps and vegetables are piled on. Plus some egg rolls or more starch.

  215. @Expletive Deleted
    @Clyde

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/58898707596638435/


    she lived on three canned tuna fish daily
     
    Three (two-, maybe five-ounce) cans of tuna fish daily, I hope.

    Not many folk could down about 1/3 of a ton of tuna daily. Hats off to her.
    Wouldn't like to be stuck in an elevator with her, mind.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Alden

    Right. Tuna fish are huge. But most people think in terms of cans of tuna.

  216. @Anon
    @anon

    Cope.

    Randomized studies (involving regular people) have consistently found that Asian women are perceived as more attractive than white women. Not single study has ever found that white women are preferred. Asian women get all the successful whife guys, drive through an upscale neighborhood some day.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1068/p5191

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3276508/

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0265407514541074 (study involving mostly WMAF)


    Compared with intraracial daters, interracial daters reported that their partners saw them more positively on attractiveness, cerebral, and relational attributes (Study 1), rated their partners more positively on attractiveness and cerebral attributes (Study 2), and were rated by independent coders as more physically attractive (Study 3). Implications are discussed.
     

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anon, @anon

    You don’t see Brad Pitt, David Beckham or Tom Brady dating Asian women. These guys that have fame , money and looks have , presumably, have women of all races desiring them. What women do they choose to date marry? Jennifer Aniston, Angelina Jolie, Posh Spice, Gisele Bundchen…..

  217. @HammerJack
    @Expletive Deleted

    Sadly, we must report that the poor woman died the very next week--of mercury poisoning, needless to add.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “–of mercury poisoning, needless to add.”

    Was Graham Parker sighted fleeing the crime scene?

  218. @Malcolm X-Lax
    I'd be interested to know more about the attitudes of white women toward Asian women. I think we generally know the attitude of many Asian men toward AM/WF couples (good) and AF/WM couples (bad). But how do white women see Asian women and vice versa? I'm fairly certain white women do not regard black women as a threat--which is why every image of obese black women are predictably showered with compliments from white women--but Asian women not so much?

    Replies: @Alden, @John Johnson

    I’m a White woman. We don’t care much. Even in California with so many WM AF couples.

    Plus, the last names tend to be German British NW European. And since Asian women are eugenists and select their White breeding stock husbands for height, pale skin, light to brown, never black hair and the Holy Grail, blue eyes as well as the Green Card, the kids usually, generally look White until you check out the cheekbones. It also seems more of a Jewish man asian woman thing. And have common Anglo German Irish type names But always a fair, not brunette Jew.

    Generally speaking. The MEN OF UNZ are far, far more concerned with strangers sex lives marriages, kids , fertility, tattoos , birth control. hair styles etc than normal men and women.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Alden

    "Generally speaking. The MEN OF UNZ are far, far more concerned with strangers sex lives marriages, kids , fertility, tattoos , birth control. hair styles etc than normal men and women."

    Is that a bad thing in itself?

    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    @Alden

    Thanks for the insights. I don't really see that the "men of unz" are overly concerned with strangers' sex lives. I recognize your name so I don't think you're new, but this site concerns itself more with questions of evolutionary biology; to the extent this concerns the sex lives of strangers, well, I mean, how people choose to breed is a phenomenon that any thoughtful person thinks about. People seem interested. The heh men of unz are no different.

  219. @Mike Tre
    @riches

    In the Hancock building? I used to bounce at The Lodge on Rush and Division. We used to pay the dregs from Cabrini Green in shots to haul the trash cans for the bottle drops out of the basement and dump them into the dumpster.

    Replies: @cityview

    Mike–the other commenter hasn’t replied, so I will. No, the (former) John Hancock building is a few more blocks north. The Michigan and Chicago corner where this crime happened a few months ago has a Walgreen’s located in a 1960s-era condo building. Although the store is busy, the sidewalk area outside isn’t one of the best. If you continue west along E. Chicago, you come to the State and Chicago subway entrance–another corner to avoid if possible. There are many stretches in Near North that I myself avoid, and I would say that if my own building were on one of them.

    Since you mentioned the John Hancock, during the evening rush hour one day last week I saw in front of the building something I’ve never seen before–an unattractive young man, standing almost frozen in place, with his arms and legs bent, making odd shrieks. His friend was trying to help him walk.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
  220. @Dumbo

    "Incredibly fat-phobic"
     
    But also true, right? Or it doesn't even matter anymore if what you say is true or not?

    Well, I guess fat people can gorge themselves and die of Covid or heart attacks, if that makes them happy.

    Neman deleted the post after Vice reported on it Wednesday.
     
    Funny. I think "Vice" was supposedly created to be a "politically incorrect" magazine, but like everything else in the culture, soon mutated into wokism über alles, with komissars searching social media for any "thought crimes" that anyone might commit.

    Replies: @Feryl

    Gavin McInnes either helped created Vice, or at least was a prominent employee there for quite some time. He didn’t last too long after the Awokening.

  221. @Adam Smith
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Good afternoon Mr. Newman,

    I trust you're enjoying the weekend...

    Apple cider vinegar makes a nice healthy salad dressing.
    (Not the stuff that comes in plastic, that's for cleaning things.)

    https://cdn.powered-by-nitrosell.com/product_images/26/6472/large-BraggsAppleCiderVinegar_02.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s not Newman’s Own (heh!), but this is what my wife has used for us a number of times (otherwise nada). It probably wasn’t this brand though. Thanks, Adam.

    Busy, but good weekend here. I hope you’ve got some cool air up there.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "I hope you’ve got some cool air up there."

    Just hope you don't mean HP Lovecraft-style "Cool Air".

    Meantime, as salad dressings go, whatever happened to just olive oil and vinaigrette?

    Whatever happened to Rosie and the Originals?

    Whatever happened to the Transylvania Twist?

  222. @Alden
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    I’m a White woman. We don’t care much. Even in California with so many WM AF couples.

    Plus, the last names tend to be German British NW European. And since Asian women are eugenists and select their White breeding stock husbands for height, pale skin, light to brown, never black hair and the Holy Grail, blue eyes as well as the Green Card, the kids usually, generally look White until you check out the cheekbones. It also seems more of a Jewish man asian woman thing. And have common Anglo German Irish type names But always a fair, not brunette Jew.

    Generally speaking. The MEN OF UNZ are far, far more concerned with strangers sex lives marriages, kids , fertility, tattoos , birth control. hair styles etc than normal men and women.

    Replies: @BB753, @Malcolm X-Lax

    “Generally speaking. The MEN OF UNZ are far, far more concerned with strangers sex lives marriages, kids , fertility, tattoos , birth control. hair styles etc than normal men and women.”

    Is that a bad thing in itself?

  223. @Joe Magarac
    If I am overweight and then go on a diet and successfully lose weight, does that make me a traitor to my people?

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Rosie

    If I am overweight and then go on a diet and successfully lose weight, does that make me a traitor to my people?

    No, because you have about a 95% chance of gaining it back within a year or two.

  224. @3g4me
    @Pixo

    @94 Pixo: You are proposing far more than 'nudging' people into more healthful behaviors. The number of vaxx notsees and food notsees at Sailer is hardly surprising - you're all so utterly convinced that you are just wise enough, just edgy enough, to not be either a left or right side 'nut job.'

    May you all live in your imagined high IQ, low sugar, low fat, multicultural paradise forever, far apart from anything icky like self responsibility and privacy and loyalty to one's own people.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    May you all live in your imagined high IQ, low sugar, low fat, multicultural paradise forever, far apart from anything icky like self responsibility and privacy and loyalty to one’s own people.

    Well there are plenty of conservative and libertarian websites where you can sit around and pretend that the “free market” will someone fix this even though it hasn’t. If anything the “free market” is half the problem by constantly putting profit above public health.

    The FreeDumb(tm) crowd has had the helm numerous times and can’t even explain the plan. How do we stop the trend of White people becoming tv and anti-depressant addicted land trolls?

    DERRR I DUNNO, TV SAYS RACE DOESN’T EXIST LETS GO WATCH FOOTBALL AND WAVE FLAGS

    Not everyone here identifies as conservative so deal with it.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @John Johnson

    @225 John Johnson: Strawman much? I am neither a conservative nor a libertardian nor a free-market freak. Those are the save havens of Sailer's commentariat. I haven't watched tv in years, but as for those Whites who remain addicted, no great loss. Modern ease has prevented nature's culling for far too many years.

  225. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buffalo Joe

    Joe, I know you love reading that Berkeleyside newspaper on-line. That's got to be a hell of a view of the world, akin to reading a patient produced newspaper in an old State Hospital.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Ach, nicely stated. What’s missing is the old State Hospitals for these people. Stay safe.

  226. @Malcolm X-Lax
    I'd be interested to know more about the attitudes of white women toward Asian women. I think we generally know the attitude of many Asian men toward AM/WF couples (good) and AF/WM couples (bad). But how do white women see Asian women and vice versa? I'm fairly certain white women do not regard black women as a threat--which is why every image of obese black women are predictably showered with compliments from white women--but Asian women not so much?

    Replies: @Alden, @John Johnson

    Single women of any race view all women as a threat. All women basically make temporary alliances with each other until they are married. They are never really friends and will stab each other in the back over a man. Of course they’ll never admit to that as they shouldn’t.

    I have noticed in cities the White guys with Asians tend to be smaller. When I lived in a tech area I would see smaller White guys with Asians but they really had to work for them due to competition. In tech areas you see all these White and Asian men driving around alone in luxury cars. It’s really sad.

    Someone posted the “men prefer Asian women” article but that actually isn’t something you can poll due to unequal access. You can’t poll that anymore than you can poll women on if they married the right man.

    Most White women will discriminate based on height but overall they aren’t as picky as depicted on the internet. But there are certainly White men that have given up on White women but that tends to be in the city where women of all races have higher minimums when it comes to income. But here in rural America you see the redneck in the beat up truck with the pretty White woman all the time. On the internet I’m told this is unpossible because all good looking White women are trying to marry 6’5 millionaires with porn star cocks.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    @John Johnson

    Because I am such a stranger in these parts, I am forced to type out: Thanks.

  227. @Sparkon
    @Polistra


    Is there good science behind the implication of aspartame?
     
    I think so, starting with FDA’s own toxicologist, Dr. Adrian Gross, mentioned in the passage I quoted, but read on, and weep:

    Aspartame: Decades of Science Point to Serious Health Risks

    Dozens of studies have linked aspartame — the world’s most widely used artificial sweetener — to serious health problems, including cancer, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, seizures, stroke and dementia, as well as negative effects such as intestinal dysbiosis, mood disorders, headaches and migraines.

    Evidence also links aspartame to weight gain, increased appetite and obesity-related diseases....

    Aspartame is present in more than 6,000 products, including Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi, Kool Aid, Crystal Light, Tango and other artificially sweetened drinks; sugar-free Jell-O products; Trident, Dentyne and most other brands of sugar-free gum; sugar-free hard candies; low- or no-sugar sweet condiments such as ketchups and dressings; children’s medicines, vitamins and cough drops.
     
    [my bold]


    [41 scientific studies cited in footnotes of linked moderately lengthy article from U.S. Right to Know]

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Dozens of studies have linked aspartame — the world’s most widely used artificial sweetener — to serious health problems, including cancer, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, seizures, stroke and dementia, as well as negative effects such as intestinal dysbiosis, mood disorders, headaches and migraine

    The UK is a lot more strict about additives and they set the daily limit of aspartame to be 12 cans of soda a day. Drinking 12 cans of any type of soda is a bad idea.

    Most of those studies are just looking at overall diet as reported by volunteers.

    I guarantee that if we banned aspartame then environmental groups would generate the same studies with Sucralose. Obese people that report drinking soda with Sucralose are 25x more likely to have health problems than vegans that drink water!!!

    As I said in another post there are third world countries that don’t use any artificial sweeteners have have the same problems with obesity. Mexican Coke has always used sugar and they have a huge problem with diabetes so there goes the theories that some type of unique component of HFCS or aspartame are to blame for US obesity. The anti-HFSC crowd has been generating the same studies with the belief that there must be something evil in the molecular structure of corn syrup since it comes from an industrial process. The problem is that Americans buy 32 oz sodas or sweet teas and drink them with a high calorie meal. I am pretty good size and I can’t imagine drinking a 32 oz soda.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    @John Johnson


    ... there are third world countries that don’t use any artificial sweeteners have have the same problems with obesity.
     
    Please always accompany claims like this with a citation.

    Nullius in Verba.

  228. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Adam Smith

    It's not Newman's Own (heh!), but this is what my wife has used for us a number of times (otherwise nada). It probably wasn't this brand though. Thanks, Adam.

    Busy, but good weekend here. I hope you've got some cool air up there.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “I hope you’ve got some cool air up there.”

    Just hope you don’t mean HP Lovecraft-style “Cool Air”.

    Meantime, as salad dressings go, whatever happened to just olive oil and vinaigrette?

    Whatever happened to Rosie and the Originals?

    Whatever happened to the Transylvania Twist?

  229. @John Johnson
    @Sparkon

    Dozens of studies have linked aspartame — the world’s most widely used artificial sweetener — to serious health problems, including cancer, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, seizures, stroke and dementia, as well as negative effects such as intestinal dysbiosis, mood disorders, headaches and migraine

    The UK is a lot more strict about additives and they set the daily limit of aspartame to be 12 cans of soda a day. Drinking 12 cans of any type of soda is a bad idea.

    Most of those studies are just looking at overall diet as reported by volunteers.

    I guarantee that if we banned aspartame then environmental groups would generate the same studies with Sucralose. Obese people that report drinking soda with Sucralose are 25x more likely to have health problems than vegans that drink water!!!

    As I said in another post there are third world countries that don't use any artificial sweeteners have have the same problems with obesity. Mexican Coke has always used sugar and they have a huge problem with diabetes so there goes the theories that some type of unique component of HFCS or aspartame are to blame for US obesity. The anti-HFSC crowd has been generating the same studies with the belief that there must be something evil in the molecular structure of corn syrup since it comes from an industrial process. The problem is that Americans buy 32 oz sodas or sweet teas and drink them with a high calorie meal. I am pretty good size and I can't imagine drinking a 32 oz soda.

    Replies: @Sparkon

    … there are third world countries that don’t use any artificial sweeteners have have the same problems with obesity.

    Please always accompany claims like this with a citation.

    Nullius in Verba.

  230. @Jack D
    @res

    Note also this China study:

    https://www.georgeinstitute.org/projects/china-salt-substitute-and-stroke-study-ssass

    The salt substitute they used was cheap, costing approx. US$1.62 per kilo versus US$1.08 per kilo for regular salt. The formula was very simple - 75% table salt and 25% potassium chloride.

    Morton's makes a product that is already pre-mixed 50% sodium/ 50% potassium salt. The reviews say that it tastes just like regular table salt. I'm going to give it a try - it seems like an easy substitution with very little downside. If it's too pricey for your budget you could mix it 50/50 with table salt which would give you the formula used in the Chinese study and which produced statistically significant reductions in stroke and heart attack.

    https://www.amazon.com/Morton-Lite-Sodium-Table-2pack/dp/B079M94H6X/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

    Replies: @res

    Thanks. I actually have one of those in my cupboard. I don’t really use it though since I don’t use much salt in general. It’s a relic of when I was trying different things.

    The big issue (and the reason I keep harping on Finland) is salt in processed food. Since I don’t eat much of that and do eat plenty of fruit it’s not really an issue for me, but as a public health concern in the US…

    Your roll your own solutions are exactly the kind of thing I might do. But are also the kind of thing most people won’t go to the trouble to do.

    P.S. Here is a US source for something like the Finnish formula. The PDF talks a bit about the magnesium and lysine components. Unfortunately it is priced like a luxury rather than a staple.
    https://tahomaclinic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Introducing-Wright-Salt.pdf

  231. @Leo D
    Two thoughts...

    One...everyone has to learn to manage their body type...ectomorph, mesomorph, or endomorph, which are either a curse or a gift, depending on your point of view, from your parents...100% genetic.

    Also, exercise has little to do with weight and obesity. That is almost entirely about what and how much one eats. Exercise goes to fitness and health, yes, but not so much weight.

    Two...the 'body positivity' thing has been, and will continue to be, disastrous with regard to any attempt to get people to take responsibility for their own health choices. It is basically an easy out for fat people.

    Losing weight, getting back into shape after years of slack behavior, and then maintaining, is unbelievably difficult to do. It requires changing years, if not decades of bad habits...and it requires incredible dedication, as all gains are incremental and minute from day to day.

    People love to assume and posture that healthy and fit people "are just born that way", when in actuality, it requires dedication, structure, and discipline. Sure, it is easier for some, and more difficult for others, but again, that usually boils down to body type, and we all need to have realistic expectations of the end results based on that.

    Finally, it requires that one actually CARE about one's own health, and I think that is terribly lacking today...again the 'body positivity' thing is an out, as well as it tells people that they are just 'great' no matter how fat they are. Well, maybe you are great, but you're not healthy.

    I remember being at the optometrist years ago, and as I was waiting for the doc I could hear a conversation from the next room where the doctor was pleading, and I do mean pleading, with the patient to do this or that or they would surely continue to lose their visual faculties. Curious, I wandered down the hall past the room and took a glance...young morbidly obese black women, maybe mid-twenties sitting on exam table while doctor was standing right next to her. She had her head turned away from him buried in her phone...absolutely ignoring him while he was trying to counsel her out of GOING BLIND...and she couldn't give two shits about it.

    I'll never forget it...was probably a decade ago, and I remember it like it was yesterday...

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes, @Spect3r

    “People love to assume and posture that healthy and fit people “are just born that way”, when in actuality, it requires dedication, structure, and discipline. ”

    Sorry, but no.
    I never exercised in my life, even at school on PE i only ever did the bare minimum for the teachers not to fail me. Since i left school, 23 years ago, i have never exercised, did any sport, i dont even go swim at the beach in the summer.

    However, i am incredibly healthy and in shape and i never cared one bit about doing a “healthy diet”.
    More than anything you mentioned, your own metabolism is what has the most impact on how you are.

  232. @Kratoklastes
    @Buzz Mohawk


    salads are great (I like them) but they are pure carbohydrates
     
    Salads don’t raise blood glucose or elicit an insulin response (e.g., an arugula salad with pine nuts, shaved Reggiano, and a lemon balsamic olive oil vinaigrette). In that sense they are not meaningfully ‘carb’-y; in ‘net carb’ terms (total carbohydrate minus total fiber) salads are so close to zero that they can be ignored.

    OTOH smothering them in store-bought dressings made with omega-6-rich oils (eg seed oils) and sugar (or HFCS) has the adverse consequences typical of SAD - including metabolic dysfunction - but those aren’t caused by the salad.

    Carbohydrate is the enemy of fat loss, because the moment you secrete insulin you switch off lipolysis and switch on lipogenesis (including de novo lipogenesis); my N=1 experiment on blood glucose and ketone tracking made that absolutely clear to me.

    I dropped 25kg (55lb) in 4 months - having decided that being 110kg (242lb @ 18%BF [DEXA]) had lost its usefulness despite otherwise-excellent health and fitness (VO2Max above 50; cycling FTP above 300; 20 body weight dips with ease; all at age 55).

    Now I’ve set my upper threshold at cruiserweight (200lb; 90.7kg @ 12% DEXA) and if I get too close to it I tighten up my diet for a few days. 90.7 is my mnfps (morning, naked, fasted, post-shit) target, and I’m usually under 90.

    18/6 TRE; low-carb; high-protein (animal or otherwise) and a mix of HIIT and MISS (medium-intensity steady state) on my KickR.

    DHA ; EPA; zinc… and during winter, VitD3 10,o00 IU.

    I’ll probably get hit by a bus.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Chrisnonymous

    A fat, jealous bus.

  233. @3g4me
    @slumber_j

    @34 slumber _i: Do you seriously find lifting 'boring'? It's cardio that bores me, but I do it because it warms up all my muscles and it's good for my heart, and it also burns some calories. But it's lifting I enjoy, and unlike 95% of gym goers I don't bring my phone with me and park my backside on a machine or bench and scan the web for 10 minutes between sets. I hustle and rest the minimum, so I get a cardio boost along with my muscular workout. Most women are terrified of lifting more than 10 pounds (and most women over 50 are incapable of doing so) and they generally have terrible technique. The young ones are more about exposing as much skin as possible and flirting with the blacks and browns, and the older ones tend to stick to group classes or walking on the treadmill. About 75% of the people in the gym are essentially wasting their time or there for no purpose directly related to improving their health and/or appearance. But then, most people are idiots, and that applies everywhere and always.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    I used to find cardio boring, but I got some bluetooth headphones, and now I can listen to Radio Derb or the Unregistered Podcast on the machines. I wear soundproofing ear covers like the kind used on construction sites. That way I can keep the volume on my headphones down and also block out the 3rd world music the gym plays. Of course, sprints would be better, but I can’t do that for reasons.

  234. @John Johnson
    @3g4me

    May you all live in your imagined high IQ, low sugar, low fat, multicultural paradise forever, far apart from anything icky like self responsibility and privacy and loyalty to one’s own people.

    Well there are plenty of conservative and libertarian websites where you can sit around and pretend that the "free market" will someone fix this even though it hasn't. If anything the "free market" is half the problem by constantly putting profit above public health.

    The FreeDumb(tm) crowd has had the helm numerous times and can't even explain the plan. How do we stop the trend of White people becoming tv and anti-depressant addicted land trolls?

    DERRR I DUNNO, TV SAYS RACE DOESN'T EXIST LETS GO WATCH FOOTBALL AND WAVE FLAGS

    Not everyone here identifies as conservative so deal with it.

    Replies: @3g4me

    @225 John Johnson: Strawman much? I am neither a conservative nor a libertardian nor a free-market freak. Those are the save havens of Sailer’s commentariat. I haven’t watched tv in years, but as for those Whites who remain addicted, no great loss. Modern ease has prevented nature’s culling for far too many years.

  235. “Have you considered how our healthcare system systematically underserves people who are considered to be in those groups?”

    It’s kind of ingenious, the way they’ve got 450-pound, diabetic asthmatics thinking that their health problems are caused by discrimination/White Supremacy.

  236. @Alden
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    I’m a White woman. We don’t care much. Even in California with so many WM AF couples.

    Plus, the last names tend to be German British NW European. And since Asian women are eugenists and select their White breeding stock husbands for height, pale skin, light to brown, never black hair and the Holy Grail, blue eyes as well as the Green Card, the kids usually, generally look White until you check out the cheekbones. It also seems more of a Jewish man asian woman thing. And have common Anglo German Irish type names But always a fair, not brunette Jew.

    Generally speaking. The MEN OF UNZ are far, far more concerned with strangers sex lives marriages, kids , fertility, tattoos , birth control. hair styles etc than normal men and women.

    Replies: @BB753, @Malcolm X-Lax

    Thanks for the insights. I don’t really see that the “men of unz” are overly concerned with strangers’ sex lives. I recognize your name so I don’t think you’re new, but this site concerns itself more with questions of evolutionary biology; to the extent this concerns the sex lives of strangers, well, I mean, how people choose to breed is a phenomenon that any thoughtful person thinks about. People seem interested. The heh men of unz are no different.

  237. @John Johnson
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    Single women of any race view all women as a threat. All women basically make temporary alliances with each other until they are married. They are never really friends and will stab each other in the back over a man. Of course they'll never admit to that as they shouldn't.

    I have noticed in cities the White guys with Asians tend to be smaller. When I lived in a tech area I would see smaller White guys with Asians but they really had to work for them due to competition. In tech areas you see all these White and Asian men driving around alone in luxury cars. It's really sad.

    Someone posted the "men prefer Asian women" article but that actually isn't something you can poll due to unequal access. You can't poll that anymore than you can poll women on if they married the right man.

    Most White women will discriminate based on height but overall they aren't as picky as depicted on the internet. But there are certainly White men that have given up on White women but that tends to be in the city where women of all races have higher minimums when it comes to income. But here in rural America you see the redneck in the beat up truck with the pretty White woman all the time. On the internet I'm told this is unpossible because all good looking White women are trying to marry 6'5 millionaires with porn star cocks.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax

    Because I am such a stranger in these parts, I am forced to type out: Thanks.

  238. @sparx
    @Jim Christian

    There has to be something wrong with you
    You have to be short and/or bald and/or ugly, which is why you can't get laid

    Good looking guys don't give a second thought about fat women

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    6’1, 200. You idiot. Wassamatter, you a fatsoe? For the moment, I got more women around than I got time to reject for being chubby. But even a short, squat incel doesn’t hammer these ugly white fatties anywhere. That’s why fatties are pissed off. Only blacks will bang em.

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