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One dead and five hurt (four critically wounded) in an attack by a 68-year-old Asian man on a Taiwanese Christian group at a Presbyterian church in the retirement community of Laguna Woods, CA. The aged congregants appear to have disarmed and hogtied the shooter with extension cords before he could kill anymore.

 
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  1. Taiwan has cut back on conscription and reservist training massively in the last two decades, which has China watchers worried about its chances against Red China in an invasion.

    But these oldsters must have been through old-school military service, back when Chairman Mao and Uncle Chou were rattling their sabres at Taiwan constantly.

  2. Wondering if it is some sort of conflict between Taiwan and Mainland origin persons. I know some brouhaha used to exist in Westminster and Garden Grove areas between North and South Vietnamese over which flag to use during their Vietnam day march – modern Vietnam or old South Vietnam’s – a bit like our Confederate flag kerfuffle.

    Vs.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @epebble

    California church shooting suspect motivated by Taiwan-China conflict: Police

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/multiple-victims-shot-inside-california-church-authorities/story?id=84737877

  3. This looks less like a church than a platform for Aztec sacrifice.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Reg Cæsar

    Can someone photoshop Joel Osteen into an Aztec High Priest ceremonial costume with his obsedian knife poised for the first plunge into the chest?

  4. This looks less like a church than a platform for Aztec sacrifice.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Reg Cæsar

    This church like the final redoubt of the Mariupol Soviet-era steel mill.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Alden

  5. No Steve, Sailer’s Law didn’t fail. You just never thought to account for somebody in their late 60’s going on a rampage. I wonder if he still hates his HS experience, too.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Johnny789

    One thing we know for certain: this gunman was inspired by white supremacy.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @John Derbyshire

  6. @Reg Cæsar
    This looks less like a church than a platform for Aztec sacrifice.



    https://globalnews.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/california-shooting.jpg

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    This church like the final redoubt of the Mariupol Soviet-era steel mill.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Steve Sailer

    Yuck......that gaudy post-modern design is awful. Amazing that buildings still use it.

    What kind of church depresses you by driving by it?

    Looks like a police station from a sci-fi movie.

    The trend of churches trying to appear modern through the exterior needs to end. That includes those tacky "Christian centers" that have a lot of glass and don't use crosses. I've seen some pretty bad Synagogues as well.

    Suburban Californians have terrible taste.

    , @Alden
    @Steve Sailer

    It looks too narrow to accommodate the congregation. Narrower than a train or bus. Like only room for two seats in a row.

  7. Americans love their guns more than each other.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Henry's Cat

    Americans? Who said anything about Americans?

    , @J.Ross
    @Henry's Cat

    Every society experiences lapses of brotherly love; those which remain armed get to escape the worst effects. From what I've heard about London street and pub violence, I'd never set foot there.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @stillCARealist

    , @Alfa158
    @Henry's Cat

    Didn’t you read the story? How did you miss the part about them being Chinese?

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Colin Wright

    , @John Johnson
    @Henry's Cat

    Americans love their guns more than each other.

    You wouldn't turn a gun down in some of our (cough) high crime areas. Even the most anti-gun liberals and Europeans would happily take a gun if they had to walk some of these streets or take the glorious public transportation.

    I used to work in an area where 10 rounds in a compact 9mm was for women. The local gangs certainly wouldn't carry that light.

    My ideal carry for public transportation was a 27 round 9mm in a dirty gym bag with a zipper partly opened. Never take out a phone and just sit quietly while keep a corner eye on everyone. I was White collar but would dress down in public.

    Welcome to America.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Henry's Cat


    Americans love their guns more than each other.
     
    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-true-soldier-fights-not-because-he-hates-what-is-in-front-of-him-but-because-he-gilbert-k-chesterton-36-75-60.jpg
  8. Anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:

    I hear John Woo’s a Christian.

  9. Oh by the way, while you were ignoring years of exposed cases of FBI grooming and falling for the narrative of the Phantom Nazis, it turns out that pretty much every other culture besides Western believes in using glocks to protect their honor from unintended apparent insult, using violence to protect the honor of their religion or answer perceived injustice, or in bottling up humiliation until it explodes in a rage killing. Therefore as the country diversifies we can expect more mass attacks, as the country looks more like the Third World we can expect more Third World problems.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    Is there some sort of competition to come up with the stupidest comment today?

    "Western" is not a culture, and many, many "Western" people resort to violence when they feel disrespected. It's a cultural expectation in many parts of the "Western" world.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @anon

  10. I bet they scammed him out of his life savings.

  11. It’s the exception that proves the rule.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @International Jew


    It’s the exception that proves the rule.
     
    Or maybe we are going to see this happen more and more with white and East Asian would-be-victims - fighting back and limiting the damage from deranged attackers. I hope so.

    Meanwhile...


    "We'll see what we can do to meet with the members of the congregation, we'll bring in someone from the Orange County Human Rights Commission ... and try to make sure that the Asian members of our community feel as safe as all the other members of our community, although I would have to say I think we all feel a little less safe today," Conners said.
     
    Ugh.
  12. @International Jew
    It's the exception that proves the rule.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    It’s the exception that proves the rule.

    Or maybe we are going to see this happen more and more with white and East Asian would-be-victims – fighting back and limiting the damage from deranged attackers. I hope so.

    Meanwhile…

    “We’ll see what we can do to meet with the members of the congregation, we’ll bring in someone from the Orange County Human Rights Commission … and try to make sure that the Asian members of our community feel as safe as all the other members of our community, although I would have to say I think we all feel a little less safe today,” Conners said.

    Ugh.

  13. The relative newness of the large Chinese colony…uh, community, in the Irvine area and the advanced age of the victims seems to be anecdotal evidence of Chinese immigrants bringing over their aged parents.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @stari_momak

    Agree, bringing over aged parents to bring in money from SSI and other senior benefits. Many of those Asian immigrants on SSI aren’t 65 plus, they’re in their 50s and work full time in the family business.

    One of the common scams the Asian old immigrants do is apply for cheap senior housing. Because they’re not White Americans they get priority of course. But instead of living in the apartment. They rent sub lease it to a tenant who pays full market rent. And the old people live in a crowded household with their relatives.
    Indians do it too. And Armenians and Russians.

    At least the Hispanic illegals who get priority for low income housing actually live in the apartments.

    What a country. Is there any non White country in the world that favors immigrants over its own citizens? I don’t think so.

    The favoring of immigrants illegal or not over their own citizens is common in Western Europe as well. Not in Eastern Europe. Evil racist Poles and Hungarians. Giving government benefits to their own people whose taxes pay for the benefits. . What a strange idea.

    Replies: @HallParvey, @JohnnyWalker123, @Malla, @Twinkie

    , @anonymouseperson
    @stari_momak

    The Chinese have it down to a science. They know every trick in the book.

  14. BTW using the FBI criteria of mass shooting Asians are about 2x overrepresented among perpetrators, or at least were about 5 years ago when I ran the numbers. Up until the Las Vegas shooting the record for those murdered in one of these events belonged to the Korea born Virginia Tech shooter.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @stari_momak

    In reality, the Virginia Tech shooter still holds the record, since the Las Vegas shooting was clearly some sort of Deep State op, not the work of a lone madman. Doesn't count.

    Replies: @dearieme, @Dream

  15. @stari_momak
    BTW using the FBI criteria of mass shooting Asians are about 2x overrepresented among perpetrators, or at least were about 5 years ago when I ran the numbers. Up until the Las Vegas shooting the record for those murdered in one of these events belonged to the Korea born Virginia Tech shooter.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    In reality, the Virginia Tech shooter still holds the record, since the Las Vegas shooting was clearly some sort of Deep State op, not the work of a lone madman. Doesn’t count.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    the Las Vegas shooting was clearly some sort of Deep State op

    To what end?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Dream
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Afghan American Omar Mateen killed 50 in Orlando.

  16. @Henry's Cat
    Americans love their guns more than each other.

    Replies: @Charon, @J.Ross, @Alfa158, @John Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    Americans? Who said anything about Americans?

  17. @Johnny789
    No Steve, Sailer’s Law didn’t fail. You just never thought to account for somebody in their late 60’s going on a rampage. I wonder if he still hates his HS experience, too.

    Replies: @Charon

    One thing we know for certain: this gunman was inspired by white supremacy.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Charon

    He was motivated by Donald Trump's attacks on the Asian community

    , @John Derbyshire
    @Charon

    White-adjacent supremacy.

  18. @J.Ross
    Oh by the way, while you were ignoring years of exposed cases of FBI grooming and falling for the narrative of the Phantom Nazis, it turns out that pretty much every other culture besides Western believes in using glocks to protect their honor from unintended apparent insult, using violence to protect the honor of their religion or answer perceived injustice, or in bottling up humiliation until it explodes in a rage killing. Therefore as the country diversifies we can expect more mass attacks, as the country looks more like the Third World we can expect more Third World problems.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Is there some sort of competition to come up with the stupidest comment today?

    “Western” is not a culture, and many, many “Western” people resort to violence when they feel disrespected. It’s a cultural expectation in many parts of the “Western” world.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @AndrewR

    You are technically right (unless you are distinguishing between clearly non-Western cultures) but that hardly affects my point.
    By the way, if comment stupidity annoys you, avoid the Wall Street Journal. Literally credulous boomers demanding the extermination of every last "Russian." I wonder what their moderation policy is.

    , @Alden
    @AndrewR

    Western civilization is a standard word for Christian European culture. I had to take a required college course termed History of Western Civilization. It meant basically European Christian civilization. It was required in every college

    By the time my kids wee in college the required course was World Civilization or World Cultures. Required in every college. Still
    emphasized the culture Americans live in, Western it Christian European. But much more content on Asia India and pre Colombian Latin American civilizations and culture. And of course much praising non western cultures and totally sneering on western culture. Asian culture Muslim culture Indian culture. European culture .

    Western is a standard term for European Christian culture.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @anon
    @AndrewR

    Numeracy is preferred here: think in rates. The key element of Western distinctness is low clannishness, eg a low rate of honor killing/state killing.

    And drop the fakery quotes for the word Western. The culture, the civilization and the people definitely exist.

  19. @Charon
    @Johnny789

    One thing we know for certain: this gunman was inspired by white supremacy.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @John Derbyshire

    He was motivated by Donald Trump’s attacks on the Asian community

  20. Big story in my local fish wrap this morning about the Buffalo shooting: the only place in the paper the word “Milwaukee” appears is in the stories about the Bucks-Celtics playoff series.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Ganderson

    "Big story in my local fish wrap this morning about the Buffalo shooting ..."

    It was reported on Sunday that the Buffalo shooter became a ward of public health authorities of the State of New York after making threats and expressing suicidal thoughts. From that point on he was under the care of government psychiatrists and no doubt became a recipient of behavior modification drugs. That's a link that could lead to a chain of contacts ending with Federal agents masquerading as therapists and friendly informants who happen to be "white supremacists" who teach him how to shoot a semi-auto rifle. Timothy McVeigh followed a similar path after he washed out of Ranger training and discharged from the Army.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  21. @stari_momak
    The relative newness of the large Chinese colony...uh, community, in the Irvine area and the advanced age of the victims seems to be anecdotal evidence of Chinese immigrants bringing over their aged parents.

    Replies: @Alden, @anonymouseperson

    Agree, bringing over aged parents to bring in money from SSI and other senior benefits. Many of those Asian immigrants on SSI aren’t 65 plus, they’re in their 50s and work full time in the family business.

    One of the common scams the Asian old immigrants do is apply for cheap senior housing. Because they’re not White Americans they get priority of course. But instead of living in the apartment. They rent sub lease it to a tenant who pays full market rent. And the old people live in a crowded household with their relatives.
    Indians do it too. And Armenians and Russians.

    At least the Hispanic illegals who get priority for low income housing actually live in the apartments.

    What a country. Is there any non White country in the world that favors immigrants over its own citizens? I don’t think so.

    The favoring of immigrants illegal or not over their own citizens is common in Western Europe as well. Not in Eastern Europe. Evil racist Poles and Hungarians. Giving government benefits to their own people whose taxes pay for the benefits. . What a strange idea.

    • Thanks: 3g4me
    • Replies: @HallParvey
    @Alden


    The favoring of immigrants illegal or not over their own citizens is common in Western Europe as well.
     
    It's just part of the Protestant version of Christian philosophy. Provide for the unfortunates of the world. Or something like that.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Alden

    Foreigners use every trick in the book to game the system.

    Not necessarily just the Chinese. All of them.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Malla
    @Alden


    What a country. Is there any non White country in the world that favors immigrants over its own citizens? I don’t think so.
     
    Singapore up to some extent (not to the extent in the West). A lot of Singaporeans were complaining about FOB Indians coming in and given all kind of priorities.
    , @Twinkie
    @Alden


    Agree, bringing over aged parents to bring in money from SSI and other senior benefits.
     
    Explain to me how this works.
  22. @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    Is there some sort of competition to come up with the stupidest comment today?

    "Western" is not a culture, and many, many "Western" people resort to violence when they feel disrespected. It's a cultural expectation in many parts of the "Western" world.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @anon

    You are technically right (unless you are distinguishing between clearly non-Western cultures) but that hardly affects my point.
    By the way, if comment stupidity annoys you, avoid the Wall Street Journal. Literally credulous boomers demanding the extermination of every last “Russian.” I wonder what their moderation policy is.

  23. @Henry's Cat
    Americans love their guns more than each other.

    Replies: @Charon, @J.Ross, @Alfa158, @John Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    Every society experiences lapses of brotherly love; those which remain armed get to escape the worst effects. From what I’ve heard about London street and pub violence, I’d never set foot there.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @J.Ross

    I'm sure you're aware that America's murder rate is about 4x that of Britain. Apart from having about 4x the proportion of blacks, what's your explanation for this?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @SalmonJones

    , @stillCARealist
    @J.Ross

    Praise the Lord for extension cords.

    I have three relatives who concealed carry every Sunday morning.

    In a friend's rural AZ church there's geezers who open carry their fashionable old derringers. Apparently they're not allowed to usher or pass the plate with guns on their hips though.

    My guess is there will be more hush-hush weapons in this particular CA church in the future. Part of brotherly love is brotherly protection, i.e. sheepdogs.

  24. @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    Is there some sort of competition to come up with the stupidest comment today?

    "Western" is not a culture, and many, many "Western" people resort to violence when they feel disrespected. It's a cultural expectation in many parts of the "Western" world.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @anon

    Western civilization is a standard word for Christian European culture. I had to take a required college course termed History of Western Civilization. It meant basically European Christian civilization. It was required in every college

    By the time my kids wee in college the required course was World Civilization or World Cultures. Required in every college. Still
    emphasized the culture Americans live in, Western it Christian European. But much more content on Asia India and pre Colombian Latin American civilizations and culture. And of course much praising non western cultures and totally sneering on western culture. Asian culture Muslim culture Indian culture. European culture .

    Western is a standard term for European Christian culture.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Alden

    "Mahatma, how do you feel about Western Civilization?"

    "I think it would be a good idea..."

    Replies: @epebble, @Alden, @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @Malla

  25. @Reg Cæsar
    This looks less like a church than a platform for Aztec sacrifice.



    https://globalnews.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/california-shooting.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=1200

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Can someone photoshop Joel Osteen into an Aztec High Priest ceremonial costume with his obsedian knife poised for the first plunge into the chest?

  26. @J.Ross
    @Henry's Cat

    Every society experiences lapses of brotherly love; those which remain armed get to escape the worst effects. From what I've heard about London street and pub violence, I'd never set foot there.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @stillCARealist

    I’m sure you’re aware that America’s murder rate is about 4x that of Britain. Apart from having about 4x the proportion of blacks, what’s your explanation for this?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Henry's Cat

    But murder is still rare here. There appears to be no threshold for or policing of violence in London, and the excuse is, well, it's not lethal violence. I didn't say murder, I don't want to get glassed, there was just a glassing this weekend.
    >explain American crime without mentioning the blegs.
    You're funny.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @SalmonJones
    @Henry's Cat

    My explanation is that we have four times the blacks. If we didn't have four times the blacks, we wouldn't have four times the murders. The white areas aren't especially high-crime at all and they're near universally armed to the teeth if you're not in the cuck belt of the northeast or something (and even then, vermont's pretty packing). It's just the brothers and occasionally the cholos. That's literally it.

  27. What’s the beef? He didn’t like the kind of dumplings being served?

  28. Sailer your law of mass shooting did not fail, whites are efficient killers and should have guns taken away from you people, you people plan your murders pocs dont, for pocs its rage and a spur of the moment thing and also for pocs guns are realatively new thing for us while you people especially people of british blood you effers are born with guns in your mothers womb.

    • Replies: @fish
    @kicktheroos

    Very Tiny's Ducks like in "stream of consciousness" posting!

    Wobbler B/B-.....if you'd been able to work "crave black men" into your post an easy B+!

  29. @J.Ross
    @Henry's Cat

    Every society experiences lapses of brotherly love; those which remain armed get to escape the worst effects. From what I've heard about London street and pub violence, I'd never set foot there.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @stillCARealist

    Praise the Lord for extension cords.

    I have three relatives who concealed carry every Sunday morning.

    In a friend’s rural AZ church there’s geezers who open carry their fashionable old derringers. Apparently they’re not allowed to usher or pass the plate with guns on their hips though.

    My guess is there will be more hush-hush weapons in this particular CA church in the future. Part of brotherly love is brotherly protection, i.e. sheepdogs.

  30. What is the is the open and deliberate intent of the Democratic Party’s post-1965 Immigration Policy?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @War for Blair Mountain

    The disappearance of the US's founding ethnic stock.

  31. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @stari_momak

    In reality, the Virginia Tech shooter still holds the record, since the Las Vegas shooting was clearly some sort of Deep State op, not the work of a lone madman. Doesn't count.

    Replies: @dearieme, @Dream

    the Las Vegas shooting was clearly some sort of Deep State op

    To what end?

    • Agree: Paul Mendez
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @dearieme

    >why would people like Peter Strzok kill what they call "smelly walmart people" and at the same time generate an excuse to pass laws they want passed

    It is a mystery. However, I don't think it was a deep state op, I think it was a deep state screw-up. If you know what to do with the pickled ginger, you've probably received an unsolicited bonus gift as a loyalty reward from the casino, if you know what I mean. Some people can't understand how much free nigiri there is in the world for a true high roller. You might remember three things which came out like the piquancy of good wasabi in that period:
    (1) Earth-shaking coup in Saudi Arabia, absolutely something which wasn't supposed to be possible, not only a succession shift but a change to a downright progressive (by Saudi standards) heir who immediately
    (a) received US backing and
    (b) went after bad guys in the Saudi royal family.
    (2) Guess who owns the top of that hotel.
    (3) Guess who was established to be in town that night.
    (4) Plus the only suspect glows in daylight and would have no personal motive for what happened.
    When that unagi gets umami.

  32. @stari_momak
    The relative newness of the large Chinese colony...uh, community, in the Irvine area and the advanced age of the victims seems to be anecdotal evidence of Chinese immigrants bringing over their aged parents.

    Replies: @Alden, @anonymouseperson

    The Chinese have it down to a science. They know every trick in the book.

    • Agree: stari_momak
  33. Some guys on a website known as Kiwifarms as well as some conspiracy theorists wondered if that shooting along with the others ones who happened in Milwaukee and Buffalo could have been some sort of diversion from this news?
    https://www.bidenlaptopemails.com/

    There’s a saying who said “two is coincidence, three is a pattern”, let’s wait and see.

  34. @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    Is there some sort of competition to come up with the stupidest comment today?

    "Western" is not a culture, and many, many "Western" people resort to violence when they feel disrespected. It's a cultural expectation in many parts of the "Western" world.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden, @anon

    Numeracy is preferred here: think in rates. The key element of Western distinctness is low clannishness, eg a low rate of honor killing/state killing.

    And drop the fakery quotes for the word Western. The culture, the civilization and the people definitely exist.

  35. @Alden
    @stari_momak

    Agree, bringing over aged parents to bring in money from SSI and other senior benefits. Many of those Asian immigrants on SSI aren’t 65 plus, they’re in their 50s and work full time in the family business.

    One of the common scams the Asian old immigrants do is apply for cheap senior housing. Because they’re not White Americans they get priority of course. But instead of living in the apartment. They rent sub lease it to a tenant who pays full market rent. And the old people live in a crowded household with their relatives.
    Indians do it too. And Armenians and Russians.

    At least the Hispanic illegals who get priority for low income housing actually live in the apartments.

    What a country. Is there any non White country in the world that favors immigrants over its own citizens? I don’t think so.

    The favoring of immigrants illegal or not over their own citizens is common in Western Europe as well. Not in Eastern Europe. Evil racist Poles and Hungarians. Giving government benefits to their own people whose taxes pay for the benefits. . What a strange idea.

    Replies: @HallParvey, @JohnnyWalker123, @Malla, @Twinkie

    The favoring of immigrants illegal or not over their own citizens is common in Western Europe as well.

    It’s just part of the Protestant version of Christian philosophy. Provide for the unfortunates of the world. Or something like that.

  36. @Henry's Cat
    Americans love their guns more than each other.

    Replies: @Charon, @J.Ross, @Alfa158, @John Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    Didn’t you read the story? How did you miss the part about them being Chinese?

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @Alfa158

    Asians aren't Americans? Don't they have a lower incidence of violence in America than whites?

    Replies: @stari_momak

    , @Colin Wright
    @Alfa158

    'Didn’t you read the story? How did you miss the part about them being Chinese?'

    Never let the facts get in the way of an idea.

  37. @Alfa158
    @Henry's Cat

    Didn’t you read the story? How did you miss the part about them being Chinese?

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Colin Wright

    Asians aren’t Americans? Don’t they have a lower incidence of violence in America than whites?

    • Replies: @stari_momak
    @Henry's Cat

    There's a good chance that a lot of this particular group are not, in fact, Americans even in the 'took a test to get an American passport' sense.

  38. How did you miss the part about them being Chinese?

    I hear them old Chinese are partial to the renowned Wauser pistol!

    Chinamen like them hand blasters.

  39. @Alden
    @AndrewR

    Western civilization is a standard word for Christian European culture. I had to take a required college course termed History of Western Civilization. It meant basically European Christian civilization. It was required in every college

    By the time my kids wee in college the required course was World Civilization or World Cultures. Required in every college. Still
    emphasized the culture Americans live in, Western it Christian European. But much more content on Asia India and pre Colombian Latin American civilizations and culture. And of course much praising non western cultures and totally sneering on western culture. Asian culture Muslim culture Indian culture. European culture .

    Western is a standard term for European Christian culture.

    Replies: @Truth

    “Mahatma, how do you feel about Western Civilization?”

    “I think it would be a good idea…”

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Truth

    If you are talking about Gandhi, that comment was in the context of his sadness about Hitler/Holocaust (and probably Stalin, Mussolini, ..... too) , because it was a glaring disproval of his Ahimsa (Nonviolence) struggle he was advocating/experimenting against British rule in India. He was not anti-Western Civilization, being educated in England etc., In fact, he credited some of his political beliefs and methods to Christ.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Alden
    @Truth

    Not Mahtma. Bertrand Russell. And the quotes not western civilization. It’s “ no one really knows about Christianity. Because it’s never actually been been tried. “. Very popular among commies and anti Christian bigots early and mid 20th century.

    Western is as common a term for W European RC and Protestant civilization as ghetto is a term for black dysfunction. Many prefer it because it leaves out the word Christianity. And Western Europe is on the western edge of the great Eurasian land mass.

    South America is south of Central and North America. North America is North of Central and South America. Central America is in the middle. Middle or Central Europe is between western and Eastern Europe. Central. Asia is between east Asia and Europe. East Asia borders on the Pacific and is East of Central Asia,

    West Africa is on the Atlantic. East Africa is on the Indian Ocean. There’s a country called South Africa because it’s as far south as the continent goes. North Africa is a general term for Egypt to Morocco. Partly because it’s as far north as Africa goes. And partly because the people are Arabs and Berber Caucasians and not negroes who live south of the Sahara.

    America has a very definite southern culture. It’s really the south east And doesn’t include Texas New Mexico Arizona Nevada and California South east magnolias and lush greenery South west cactus and beige desert

    You and Andrew R are just assholes who have nothing to say and just want to start fights by ridiculous quibbling. I know what your civilization is; black ghetto.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @AceDeuce
    @Truth

    If you want to keep liking him, don't read about what Ghandi said about blechpipo.....

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Truth


    “Mahatma, how do you feel about Western Civilization?”

    “I think it would be a good idea…”
     

    This map shows that Gandhi-- and Susan Sontag-- may have had a point:

    https://www.plantingpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/same-sex-marriage-legalization-2.png

    , @Malla
    @Truth

    Gandhi was a cunning guy who said crap, the libtards of those days it lapped up. But he said some good solid stuff too.

    Kemal Ataturk beat Gandhi on truth.
    "There are many cultures but only one civilization in this World. European civilization."

  40. @Alfa158
    @Henry's Cat

    Didn’t you read the story? How did you miss the part about them being Chinese?

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Colin Wright

    ‘Didn’t you read the story? How did you miss the part about them being Chinese?’

    Never let the facts get in the way of an idea.

  41. @Ganderson
    Big story in my local fish wrap this morning about the Buffalo shooting: the only place in the paper the word “Milwaukee” appears is in the stories about the Bucks-Celtics playoff series.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “Big story in my local fish wrap this morning about the Buffalo shooting …”

    It was reported on Sunday that the Buffalo shooter became a ward of public health authorities of the State of New York after making threats and expressing suicidal thoughts. From that point on he was under the care of government psychiatrists and no doubt became a recipient of behavior modification drugs. That’s a link that could lead to a chain of contacts ending with Federal agents masquerading as therapists and friendly informants who happen to be “white supremacists” who teach him how to shoot a semi-auto rifle. Timothy McVeigh followed a similar path after he washed out of Ranger training and discharged from the Army.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @SunBakedSuburb

    That kind of thing definitely could have happened, or he could have been groomed online, etc. etc. But I have to say, there have been many moments during the Biden reign that I've found myself thinking "Are they deliberately trying to push some disturbed white person to lash out in violence?"

    I think the president and his handlers are doing the heavy lifting for the agents provocateurs.

  42. @Henry's Cat
    Americans love their guns more than each other.

    Replies: @Charon, @J.Ross, @Alfa158, @John Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    Americans love their guns more than each other.

    You wouldn’t turn a gun down in some of our (cough) high crime areas. Even the most anti-gun liberals and Europeans would happily take a gun if they had to walk some of these streets or take the glorious public transportation.

    I used to work in an area where 10 rounds in a compact 9mm was for women. The local gangs certainly wouldn’t carry that light.

    My ideal carry for public transportation was a 27 round 9mm in a dirty gym bag with a zipper partly opened. Never take out a phone and just sit quietly while keep a corner eye on everyone. I was White collar but would dress down in public.

    Welcome to America.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @John Johnson

    Of course I understand why most Americans carry guns. It's not because they fear the government, it's because they fear each other. I simply object to it being dressed up in constitutional and libertarian swaddling.

    But the other half of the equation is the fetishisation of the gun. I had to stop reading the gunman's manifesto because the last few dozen pages are all about guns and ammo. It's a pity he didn't have an edifying hobby like stamp-collecting.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Alden, @J.Ross

  43. Laguna Woods is 15 miles from me. It used to be called “Leisure World” (or when were kids, Seizure World). Its known for being the world’s largest retirement community. Not a place where anyone would expect a mass shooting.

  44. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @stari_momak

    In reality, the Virginia Tech shooter still holds the record, since the Las Vegas shooting was clearly some sort of Deep State op, not the work of a lone madman. Doesn't count.

    Replies: @dearieme, @Dream

    Afghan American Omar Mateen killed 50 in Orlando.

  45. Note to self: Do not take the last tray of chicken feet on the dim sum cart.

  46. @kicktheroos
    Sailer your law of mass shooting did not fail, whites are efficient killers and should have guns taken away from you people, you people plan your murders pocs dont, for pocs its rage and a spur of the moment thing and also for pocs guns are realatively new thing for us while you people especially people of british blood you effers are born with guns in your mothers womb.

    Replies: @fish

    Very Tiny’s Ducks like in “stream of consciousness” posting!

    Wobbler B/B-…..if you’d been able to work “crave black men” into your post an easy B+!

  47. @Charon
    @Johnny789

    One thing we know for certain: this gunman was inspired by white supremacy.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @John Derbyshire

    White-adjacent supremacy.

  48. @Truth
    @Alden

    "Mahatma, how do you feel about Western Civilization?"

    "I think it would be a good idea..."

    Replies: @epebble, @Alden, @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @Malla

    If you are talking about Gandhi, that comment was in the context of his sadness about Hitler/Holocaust (and probably Stalin, Mussolini, ….. too) , because it was a glaring disproval of his Ahimsa (Nonviolence) struggle he was advocating/experimenting against British rule in India. He was not anti-Western Civilization, being educated in England etc., In fact, he credited some of his political beliefs and methods to Christ.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @epebble

    Bertrand Russell and numerous smart mouth liberals made that joke 1920 right up to the 1960s. And it was Christianity not western civilization. Jews and liberals loved that remark.

    Replies: @epebble

  49. @Steve Sailer
    @Reg Cæsar

    This church like the final redoubt of the Mariupol Soviet-era steel mill.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Alden

    Yuck……that gaudy post-modern design is awful. Amazing that buildings still use it.

    What kind of church depresses you by driving by it?

    Looks like a police station from a sci-fi movie.

    The trend of churches trying to appear modern through the exterior needs to end. That includes those tacky “Christian centers” that have a lot of glass and don’t use crosses. I’ve seen some pretty bad Synagogues as well.

    Suburban Californians have terrible taste.

  50. The shooter, David Chou is allegedly a mainland People’s Republic of China chauvinist. His motive is he’s against Taiwan being a separate nation from the PRC. Allegedly. So he attacked Taiwanese living in America.

    Or maybe he’s just crazy. Or was rejected by one of the ladies. Or thinks he was cheated in a business or consumer deal.

  51. @John Johnson
    @Henry's Cat

    Americans love their guns more than each other.

    You wouldn't turn a gun down in some of our (cough) high crime areas. Even the most anti-gun liberals and Europeans would happily take a gun if they had to walk some of these streets or take the glorious public transportation.

    I used to work in an area where 10 rounds in a compact 9mm was for women. The local gangs certainly wouldn't carry that light.

    My ideal carry for public transportation was a 27 round 9mm in a dirty gym bag with a zipper partly opened. Never take out a phone and just sit quietly while keep a corner eye on everyone. I was White collar but would dress down in public.

    Welcome to America.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    Of course I understand why most Americans carry guns. It’s not because they fear the government, it’s because they fear each other. I simply object to it being dressed up in constitutional and libertarian swaddling.

    But the other half of the equation is the fetishisation of the gun. I had to stop reading the gunman’s manifesto because the last few dozen pages are all about guns and ammo. It’s a pity he didn’t have an edifying hobby like stamp-collecting.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Henry's Cat

    Of course I understand why most Americans carry guns. It’s not because they fear the government, it’s because they fear each other.

    Most Americans do not fear each other. There are some real psychos in this country and I learned that as a teenager. Americans have practical reasons to own guns. The system doesn't want to face certain realities and all kinds of crimes are kept from the public. What you see on TV is only a fraction of what happens.

    I don't live in fear. I simply don't plan on becoming a victim again and this society isn't serious about punishing criminals. It in fact pities them even in White areas.

    I had to stop reading the gunman’s manifesto because the last few dozen pages are all about guns and ammo. It’s a pity he didn’t have an edifying hobby like stamp-collecting.

    I'm amazed you got that far. I find the fake interview style to be annoying and contrived. Didn't last more than 3 pages.

    , @Alden
    @Henry's Cat

    The constitution was written ratified and signed in 1788. When America was 13 small English colonies with about 4 million people.

    Great Britain was one of the most powerful nations in free world. France soon acquired the interior 1/3 of the present USA back from Spain. Luckily France was busy with the revolutionary wars and not interested in colonies. Canada was sparsely populated but belonged to England Perfect staging ground for a re conquest.

    First and most important guns were required for food . America had plenty of wild pigs landed in Florida by the Spanish in the early 1500s. Most were wild lived in the woods and had to be shot. In fact even farm pigs and cattle were butchered at home not in slaughter houses. Butchered by shooting them in the head hopefully hitting the brain and killing them first shot.

    And deer birds raccoons rabbits and other wild game were staple meat So people needed guns to eat. Often made their own bullets. Recycled the bullets. The Indians also farmed. But had no domestic animals. They didn’t need to. Surrounded by wild animals for food clothes tents everything. When they hunted out one piece of their territory they moved on. The European settlers hunted for food too.

    Why is it wrong for Indians to feed their families with arrows and Whites and blacks not all right to feed their families using guns.?

    Second safety. There really was no law enforcement in rural areas or most importantly on the frontier. When the docile peasants and indentured servants got to America they got a little wild. Plus Americans lived in farms far away from each other. Not like European small farmers who lived in villages where they could watch out for each other and have law enforcement and watchmen

    Plus the wild predatory animals foxes killing livestock wolves and cougars mountain lions panthers. Same animal different names. They did kill people. And still do. Lots of wolves and coyotes in America today who kill livestock. I like mountain lions because they killed all the raccoons. In my San Mateo County neighborhood. But after they kill off the raccoons and deer they go after people. Lots of mountain lions and coyotes in cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco. Think what it was like in the frontier.

    Read the memoirs of Talleyrand and other French people who hid out from the worst of the revolution in America. A real change from living in long settled and civilized France. They didn’t need guns in France but sure did in America.

    And first and foremost defense against the Indians. The Americans and Spanish invaded their territories and took them. And the Indians fought back. The Spanish and Americans lived on isolated family farms. Very vulnerable to raiding parties of Indian trained soldiers.

    The American founders. Washington Jefferson etc intended from about 1760, end of the French and Indian war to conquer the interior held by either France or Spain depending on who won the last European war. And move to the Pacific coast as soon as possible.

    Which America did. Not using the army for about the first 60 years of the move west. But the ordinary citizens with their guns which fed their families and protected them against the well armed Indians and White criminals. The people moved west before law enforcement and government.

    Europeans were also well armed. England is America’s mother country. England, like America has no standing army until the 1700s under the Georges of Hanover who introduced the continental system.

    Right up to the early 1700s the English army was an armed militia. The nobles and Gentry owned the land and towns and every tenant was obligated to serve under the landowner. The big cities had their own militias and every man was obliged to serve. And own maintain and be trained in his own weapons.

    Medieval times sports other than archery were often outlawed. Every boy and man from royalty was required to do archery practice several times a month starring s our 6 or 7. The young age was to develop the physical strength to pull the bows and agility to pull arrows out of the quiver notch and shoot them as fast as possible.

    In many ways, England was backward in law enforcement compared to the rest of Europe. No city or town police forces until the 1800s. Citizens were supposed to catch suspected criminals and bring them to a magistrate.

    There were never any highway patrols in England. The roads weren’t safe and every traveler carried weapons including guns.

    The second amendment really came from Britain Americas mother country. Most of our laws were based on British law including gun and weapon laws.
    Plus, for a long time guns were necessary for food and home defense in areas where there was fighting with the Indians and little law enforcement for rural people.

    The demographic that is most likely to have guns is blacks. Maybe not registered. Usually bought privately not from a licensed gun store . But they have them. Ask any law enforcement person.

    Why do blacks need them? To defend themselves from their black neighbors. Just like the Americans, Indians and bandits 200 years ago. Or like Mexico during their civil war anarchy Christos 1910 to about 1935.

    The second amendment was very similar to the British laws regarding private ownership of weapons because there was no standing army or police for most of its history.

    And practical. Why raise taxes for an army and police when people could defend themselves and defeat the Indians? And hunt for meat.

    France has very widespread gun ownership too. For hunting mostly. But no European and sissy boy liberals criticizes France for its widespread gun ownership. Although with ever growing African and Muslim population every French home will soon need handguns for defense.

    Arabs and central Asians. Huge gun ownership. Fire wildly on holidays weddings even funerals.

    America’s not the only country with widespread gun ownership. Hunting’s very popular in Spain Austria Germany France Russia and the former Soviet territories.


    Learn some history learn from which country our second amendment realize how hunting wild game fed most people before supermarkets.

    America had a depression in the 1930s. Many rural people ate nothing but deer and wild game. Lots of people ate raccoons rabbits and possums those years. Livestock farmers keep rifles and handguns to kill sick or injured animals rather than letting them suffer. Usual procedure is walk the animal out of the barn or pen to shoot it. Avoids upsetting the other animals.


    And last but not least. Bad people use guns to kill other people. And in America it’s first blacks then Hispanics who do most of the killing.

    Not Whites.

    Learn some history about weapons ownership from stone throwing to modern guns.

    The American

    Replies: @anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @J.Ross
    @Henry's Cat

    Constitutional swaddling? The dishonesty and chutzpah of this construct almost defies analysis. It's like saying that Shelbyvillains love to drink lemonade because they enjoy the sweet taste. The Second Amendment is the Constitution, it's not an augmentation or a wrapper. Also, the Buffalo Catspaw had several collecting hobbies. He had a regular table at multiple area flea markets. Some time before Biden's Gift To Himself, that is, the shooting, somebody convinced Payton to sell all he had and buy a sword. In the logs Payton is constantly discussing selling off valuables and shopping for and modifying tacti-cool tchotchkies which served no purpose in the BGTH.

  52. @Truth
    @Alden

    "Mahatma, how do you feel about Western Civilization?"

    "I think it would be a good idea..."

    Replies: @epebble, @Alden, @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @Malla

    Not Mahtma. Bertrand Russell. And the quotes not western civilization. It’s “ no one really knows about Christianity. Because it’s never actually been been tried. “. Very popular among commies and anti Christian bigots early and mid 20th century.

    Western is as common a term for W European RC and Protestant civilization as ghetto is a term for black dysfunction. Many prefer it because it leaves out the word Christianity. And Western Europe is on the western edge of the great Eurasian land mass.

    South America is south of Central and North America. North America is North of Central and South America. Central America is in the middle. Middle or Central Europe is between western and Eastern Europe. Central. Asia is between east Asia and Europe. East Asia borders on the Pacific and is East of Central Asia,

    West Africa is on the Atlantic. East Africa is on the Indian Ocean. There’s a country called South Africa because it’s as far south as the continent goes. North Africa is a general term for Egypt to Morocco. Partly because it’s as far north as Africa goes. And partly because the people are Arabs and Berber Caucasians and not negroes who live south of the Sahara.

    America has a very definite southern culture. It’s really the south east And doesn’t include Texas New Mexico Arizona Nevada and California South east magnolias and lush greenery South west cactus and beige desert

    You and Andrew R are just assholes who have nothing to say and just want to start fights by ridiculous quibbling. I know what your civilization is; black ghetto.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Alden


    Not Mahtma. Bertrand Russell. And the quotes not western civilization. It’s “ no one really knows about Christianity. Because it’s never actually been been tried. “. Very popular among commies and anti Christian bigots early and mid 20th century
     
    .

    The internet begs to differ, Sportette.

    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/04/23/good-idea/
  53. @Steve Sailer
    @Reg Cæsar

    This church like the final redoubt of the Mariupol Soviet-era steel mill.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Alden

    It looks too narrow to accommodate the congregation. Narrower than a train or bus. Like only room for two seats in a row.

  54. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Ganderson

    "Big story in my local fish wrap this morning about the Buffalo shooting ..."

    It was reported on Sunday that the Buffalo shooter became a ward of public health authorities of the State of New York after making threats and expressing suicidal thoughts. From that point on he was under the care of government psychiatrists and no doubt became a recipient of behavior modification drugs. That's a link that could lead to a chain of contacts ending with Federal agents masquerading as therapists and friendly informants who happen to be "white supremacists" who teach him how to shoot a semi-auto rifle. Timothy McVeigh followed a similar path after he washed out of Ranger training and discharged from the Army.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    That kind of thing definitely could have happened, or he could have been groomed online, etc. etc. But I have to say, there have been many moments during the Biden reign that I’ve found myself thinking “Are they deliberately trying to push some disturbed white person to lash out in violence?”

    I think the president and his handlers are doing the heavy lifting for the agents provocateurs.

  55. @epebble
    Wondering if it is some sort of conflict between Taiwan and Mainland origin persons. I know some brouhaha used to exist in Westminster and Garden Grove areas between North and South Vietnamese over which flag to use during their Vietnam day march - modern Vietnam or old South Vietnam's - a bit like our Confederate flag kerfuffle.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Vietnam#/media/File:Flag_of_Vietnam.svg

    Vs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Vietnam#/media/File:Flag_of_South_Vietnam.svg

    Replies: @epebble

    California church shooting suspect motivated by Taiwan-China conflict: Police

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/multiple-victims-shot-inside-california-church-authorities/story?id=84737877

  56. @Henry's Cat
    @Alfa158

    Asians aren't Americans? Don't they have a lower incidence of violence in America than whites?

    Replies: @stari_momak

    There’s a good chance that a lot of this particular group are not, in fact, Americans even in the ‘took a test to get an American passport’ sense.

  57. @Henry's Cat
    @John Johnson

    Of course I understand why most Americans carry guns. It's not because they fear the government, it's because they fear each other. I simply object to it being dressed up in constitutional and libertarian swaddling.

    But the other half of the equation is the fetishisation of the gun. I had to stop reading the gunman's manifesto because the last few dozen pages are all about guns and ammo. It's a pity he didn't have an edifying hobby like stamp-collecting.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Alden, @J.Ross

    Of course I understand why most Americans carry guns. It’s not because they fear the government, it’s because they fear each other.

    Most Americans do not fear each other. There are some real psychos in this country and I learned that as a teenager. Americans have practical reasons to own guns. The system doesn’t want to face certain realities and all kinds of crimes are kept from the public. What you see on TV is only a fraction of what happens.

    I don’t live in fear. I simply don’t plan on becoming a victim again and this society isn’t serious about punishing criminals. It in fact pities them even in White areas.

    I had to stop reading the gunman’s manifesto because the last few dozen pages are all about guns and ammo. It’s a pity he didn’t have an edifying hobby like stamp-collecting.

    I’m amazed you got that far. I find the fake interview style to be annoying and contrived. Didn’t last more than 3 pages.

  58. So it was a 68 year old Chinese guy who has been here since at least the 1980s who shot up a church congregation of Taiwanese professionals with an average age of 80.

    This makes no sense to me. Presumably Chinese shooter was a refugee or came here for education and never left. Why would he want to deny the people of Taiwan the freedom in their own country that he came to America to get for himself?

    I do have to wonder if he was recruited by the Chinese government to do this. I am the last person to suggest conspiracies but given the aggression of China in recent years and the known presence of their agents here, you would have to be blind or stupid not to consider the CCP as the instigator of this truly senseless act.

    Daily Mail has more but still there are a lot of unanswered questions.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10822297/Asian-American-man-68-Las-Vegas-identified-California-church-gunman.html

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @notsaying

    I've actually heard of Chinese immigrants in the US going crazy over Taiwan or criticism of their government.

    Definitely not the norm but they are out there.

    Some real kooks that will defend anything on behalf of the Chinese government.

    Of course the obvious question is why are they here if it is so great in Eastasia 1984.

    Immigrants from India are even worse. The majority are actually convinced that Indians are superior to Whites and the creators of civilization. I was shocked to learn this was a common belief. That is why Indians doing tech support sound so arrogant over phone. They really believe that American Whites are basically crude half-Huns compared to them. Just ignore all the poverty and third world standards I guess.

    Replies: @notsaying

    , @anon
    @notsaying

    Fake news from the US MSM. The shooter is Taiwanese. The Taiwanese media already identified who he is. He was a teacher in Taiwan. His wife and son still live in Taiwan.

    Apparently, this guy is having mental issue. He was sent into a mental hospital back in April 2022 after neighbor called 911.

  59. @notsaying
    So it was a 68 year old Chinese guy who has been here since at least the 1980s who shot up a church congregation of Taiwanese professionals with an average age of 80.

    This makes no sense to me. Presumably Chinese shooter was a refugee or came here for education and never left. Why would he want to deny the people of Taiwan the freedom in their own country that he came to America to get for himself?

    I do have to wonder if he was recruited by the Chinese government to do this. I am the last person to suggest conspiracies but given the aggression of China in recent years and the known presence of their agents here, you would have to be blind or stupid not to consider the CCP as the instigator of this truly senseless act.

    Daily Mail has more but still there are a lot of unanswered questions.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10822297/Asian-American-man-68-Las-Vegas-identified-California-church-gunman.html

    Replies: @John Johnson, @anon

    I’ve actually heard of Chinese immigrants in the US going crazy over Taiwan or criticism of their government.

    Definitely not the norm but they are out there.

    Some real kooks that will defend anything on behalf of the Chinese government.

    Of course the obvious question is why are they here if it is so great in Eastasia 1984.

    Immigrants from India are even worse. The majority are actually convinced that Indians are superior to Whites and the creators of civilization. I was shocked to learn this was a common belief. That is why Indians doing tech support sound so arrogant over phone. They really believe that American Whites are basically crude half-Huns compared to them. Just ignore all the poverty and third world standards I guess.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @John Johnson

    A lot of elderly Asians are here due to sponsorship by their kids. Not this guy though. We were not getting many people here from China then.

    The whole thing does not make sense. I wonder if he ever became a citizen. I would love to see him deported back to China after prison.

  60. @Alden
    @stari_momak

    Agree, bringing over aged parents to bring in money from SSI and other senior benefits. Many of those Asian immigrants on SSI aren’t 65 plus, they’re in their 50s and work full time in the family business.

    One of the common scams the Asian old immigrants do is apply for cheap senior housing. Because they’re not White Americans they get priority of course. But instead of living in the apartment. They rent sub lease it to a tenant who pays full market rent. And the old people live in a crowded household with their relatives.
    Indians do it too. And Armenians and Russians.

    At least the Hispanic illegals who get priority for low income housing actually live in the apartments.

    What a country. Is there any non White country in the world that favors immigrants over its own citizens? I don’t think so.

    The favoring of immigrants illegal or not over their own citizens is common in Western Europe as well. Not in Eastern Europe. Evil racist Poles and Hungarians. Giving government benefits to their own people whose taxes pay for the benefits. . What a strange idea.

    Replies: @HallParvey, @JohnnyWalker123, @Malla, @Twinkie

    Foreigners use every trick in the book to game the system.

    Not necessarily just the Chinese. All of them.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @JohnnyWalker123

    One of the good things that came out of that Muslim shooting of a gay nightclub was a look at an entire criminal economy of fake marriages, straw purchases, fraud, and human trafficking, all made possible by open borders.

  61. @John Johnson
    @notsaying

    I've actually heard of Chinese immigrants in the US going crazy over Taiwan or criticism of their government.

    Definitely not the norm but they are out there.

    Some real kooks that will defend anything on behalf of the Chinese government.

    Of course the obvious question is why are they here if it is so great in Eastasia 1984.

    Immigrants from India are even worse. The majority are actually convinced that Indians are superior to Whites and the creators of civilization. I was shocked to learn this was a common belief. That is why Indians doing tech support sound so arrogant over phone. They really believe that American Whites are basically crude half-Huns compared to them. Just ignore all the poverty and third world standards I guess.

    Replies: @notsaying

    A lot of elderly Asians are here due to sponsorship by their kids. Not this guy though. We were not getting many people here from China then.

    The whole thing does not make sense. I wonder if he ever became a citizen. I would love to see him deported back to China after prison.

  62. @War for Blair Mountain
    What is the is the open and deliberate intent of the Democratic Party’s post-1965 Immigration Policy?

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    The disappearance of the US’s founding ethnic stock.

    • LOL: Corvinus
  63. @Truth
    @Alden

    "Mahatma, how do you feel about Western Civilization?"

    "I think it would be a good idea..."

    Replies: @epebble, @Alden, @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @Malla

    If you want to keep liking him, don’t read about what Ghandi said about blechpipo…..

    • Replies: @Truth
    @AceDeuce

    I don't like him, he was a CIA/MI-6 Asset like everyone else famous exalted from the postwar era to the 60's.

  64. anonymous[185] • Disclaimer says:

    given the aggression of China in recent years and the known presence of their agents here, you would have to be blind or stupid not to consider the CCP as the instigator of this truly senseless act.

    China flies a lot of planes near Taiwan. Not terribly aggressive. It’s mostly just headlines giving the story undue prominence.

  65. @Henry's Cat
    @J.Ross

    I'm sure you're aware that America's murder rate is about 4x that of Britain. Apart from having about 4x the proportion of blacks, what's your explanation for this?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @SalmonJones

    But murder is still rare here. There appears to be no threshold for or policing of violence in London, and the excuse is, well, it’s not lethal violence. I didn’t say murder, I don’t want to get glassed, there was just a glassing this weekend.
    >explain American crime without mentioning the blegs.
    You’re funny.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @J.Ross


    I don’t want to get glassed,
     
    Neither did Dereck.

    https://youtu.be/MWQs8nMsZNg?t=110
  66. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Alden

    Foreigners use every trick in the book to game the system.

    Not necessarily just the Chinese. All of them.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    One of the good things that came out of that Muslim shooting of a gay nightclub was a look at an entire criminal economy of fake marriages, straw purchases, fraud, and human trafficking, all made possible by open borders.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
  67. @Henry's Cat
    @J.Ross

    I'm sure you're aware that America's murder rate is about 4x that of Britain. Apart from having about 4x the proportion of blacks, what's your explanation for this?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @SalmonJones

    My explanation is that we have four times the blacks. If we didn’t have four times the blacks, we wouldn’t have four times the murders. The white areas aren’t especially high-crime at all and they’re near universally armed to the teeth if you’re not in the cuck belt of the northeast or something (and even then, vermont’s pretty packing). It’s just the brothers and occasionally the cholos. That’s literally it.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  68. More oddity or nuttiness to this case.

    There’s an AP article that says our “born in China” and called Chinese man went to Taiwan after the Nationalists lost their war against the Communists in 1948. I always understood that people fled to Taiwan but here’s what the article says:

    “Chou’s family apparently was among many forcibly removed from China to Taiwan sometime after 1948, Orange County District Attorney Todd Spitzer said. Chou’s hatred toward the island, documented in hand-written notes that authorities found, seems like it began when he felt he wasn’t treated well while living there.”

    So he says his family was forced to go. I don’t think so.

    More evidence he has got problems:

    “Before Orellana moved in about five years ago, Chou received a head injury and other serious injuries in an attack by a tenant, the neighbor said. More recently his mental health declined and last summer a gun was fired inside Chou’s apartment and the bullet entered Orellana’s apartment, although nobody was hurt, Orellana said.”

    His ex wife he is mad at was Taiwanese, too, what a surprise. Financial problems as well.

    Obviously more will come out. Like most of these incidents, the prefabricated narratives people try to push them into do not fit.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/parishioners-subdue-gunman-fatal-california-055010284.html

    • Thanks: Alden
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @notsaying

    So another East Asian swallowing humiliation until one day it explodes.
    This happens every day in China by the way, it's the best explanation for the one video where the guy grabs the bus steering wheel and deliberately sends the bus off a bridge.

    Replies: @notsaying

  69. @epebble
    @Truth

    If you are talking about Gandhi, that comment was in the context of his sadness about Hitler/Holocaust (and probably Stalin, Mussolini, ..... too) , because it was a glaring disproval of his Ahimsa (Nonviolence) struggle he was advocating/experimenting against British rule in India. He was not anti-Western Civilization, being educated in England etc., In fact, he credited some of his political beliefs and methods to Christ.

    Replies: @Alden

    Bertrand Russell and numerous smart mouth liberals made that joke 1920 right up to the 1960s. And it was Christianity not western civilization. Jews and liberals loved that remark.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Alden

    Thank You; I thought that comment was attributed to Gandhi as some sort of wisecrack.

    But it looks like Bertrand Russell was virulently Anti-Christian and who knows, may be anti-Western Civilization too!

    Bertrand Russell: An Atheist Philosopher Christians Should Know
    https://www.equip.org/article/bertrand-russell-an-atheist-philosopher-christians-should-know/

    Why I Am Not a Christian (1927)*
    By Bertrand Russell

    https://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/whynot.html

  70. Anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:

    I think this was the exception that proves Sailer’s Law. The perp spent a lot of time rigging up the church with explosives so there’s a mitigating hostage factor in the low homicide rate (also observed with Middle Eastern crazed gunmen)

  71. Reminder for anyone who needs it that when Janky and her crowd (which, remarkably, has come to include too many here) talk about disinformation magically causing murder (so that all we need to do to stop the murder is to censor the disinformation) what they mean by “disinformation” is objective fact, government statistics, and conservative estimates and predictions. The disinformation narrative is itself a lie. The government is dealing with unfavorable real-world results by trying to cover things up and demonize critics. There will be no consequences for the leftists who call for Donald Trump to be murdered in front of his youngest son or for supremacists who celebrate deaths from their target group. The thing getting censored will be the most verifiable truth.

  72. @notsaying
    More oddity or nuttiness to this case.

    There's an AP article that says our "born in China" and called Chinese man went to Taiwan after the Nationalists lost their war against the Communists in 1948. I always understood that people fled to Taiwan but here's what the article says:

    "Chou's family apparently was among many forcibly removed from China to Taiwan sometime after 1948, Orange County District Attorney Todd Spitzer said. Chou's hatred toward the island, documented in hand-written notes that authorities found, seems like it began when he felt he wasn't treated well while living there."

    So he says his family was forced to go. I don't think so.

    More evidence he has got problems:

    "Before Orellana moved in about five years ago, Chou received a head injury and other serious injuries in an attack by a tenant, the neighbor said. More recently his mental health declined and last summer a gun was fired inside Chou’s apartment and the bullet entered Orellana’s apartment, although nobody was hurt, Orellana said."

    His ex wife he is mad at was Taiwanese, too, what a surprise. Financial problems as well.

    Obviously more will come out. Like most of these incidents, the prefabricated narratives people try to push them into do not fit.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/parishioners-subdue-gunman-fatal-california-055010284.html

    Replies: @J.Ross

    So another East Asian swallowing humiliation until one day it explodes.
    This happens every day in China by the way, it’s the best explanation for the one video where the guy grabs the bus steering wheel and deliberately sends the bus off a bridge.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @J.Ross

    I don't know how much real humiliation he swallowed. I would want to know more about this, for one thing: "Before Orellana moved in about five years ago, Chou received a head injury and other serious injuries in an attack by a tenant, the neighbor said."

    It entirely possible that Chou went after the tenant. We could be talking about an overly aggressive or even violent person before he got his head injuries. Add that in, and who knows? Let's see what else comes out.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  73. Alden says:
    @Henry's Cat
    @John Johnson

    Of course I understand why most Americans carry guns. It's not because they fear the government, it's because they fear each other. I simply object to it being dressed up in constitutional and libertarian swaddling.

    But the other half of the equation is the fetishisation of the gun. I had to stop reading the gunman's manifesto because the last few dozen pages are all about guns and ammo. It's a pity he didn't have an edifying hobby like stamp-collecting.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Alden, @J.Ross

    The constitution was written ratified and signed in 1788. When America was 13 small English colonies with about 4 million people.

    Great Britain was one of the most powerful nations in free world. France soon acquired the interior 1/3 of the present USA back from Spain. Luckily France was busy with the revolutionary wars and not interested in colonies. Canada was sparsely populated but belonged to England Perfect staging ground for a re conquest.

    First and most important guns were required for food . America had plenty of wild pigs landed in Florida by the Spanish in the early 1500s. Most were wild lived in the woods and had to be shot. In fact even farm pigs and cattle were butchered at home not in slaughter houses. Butchered by shooting them in the head hopefully hitting the brain and killing them first shot.

    And deer birds raccoons rabbits and other wild game were staple meat So people needed guns to eat. Often made their own bullets. Recycled the bullets. The Indians also farmed. But had no domestic animals. They didn’t need to. Surrounded by wild animals for food clothes tents everything. When they hunted out one piece of their territory they moved on. The European settlers hunted for food too.

    Why is it wrong for Indians to feed their families with arrows and Whites and blacks not all right to feed their families using guns.?

    Second safety. There really was no law enforcement in rural areas or most importantly on the frontier. When the docile peasants and indentured servants got to America they got a little wild. Plus Americans lived in farms far away from each other. Not like European small farmers who lived in villages where they could watch out for each other and have law enforcement and watchmen

    Plus the wild predatory animals foxes killing livestock wolves and cougars mountain lions panthers. Same animal different names. They did kill people. And still do. Lots of wolves and coyotes in America today who kill livestock. I like mountain lions because they killed all the raccoons. In my San Mateo County neighborhood. But after they kill off the raccoons and deer they go after people. Lots of mountain lions and coyotes in cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco. Think what it was like in the frontier.

    Read the memoirs of Talleyrand and other French people who hid out from the worst of the revolution in America. A real change from living in long settled and civilized France. They didn’t need guns in France but sure did in America.

    And first and foremost defense against the Indians. The Americans and Spanish invaded their territories and took them. And the Indians fought back. The Spanish and Americans lived on isolated family farms. Very vulnerable to raiding parties of Indian trained soldiers.

    The American founders. Washington Jefferson etc intended from about 1760, end of the French and Indian war to conquer the interior held by either France or Spain depending on who won the last European war. And move to the Pacific coast as soon as possible.

    Which America did. Not using the army for about the first 60 years of the move west. But the ordinary citizens with their guns which fed their families and protected them against the well armed Indians and White criminals. The people moved west before law enforcement and government.

    Europeans were also well armed. England is America’s mother country. England, like America has no standing army until the 1700s under the Georges of Hanover who introduced the continental system.

    Right up to the early 1700s the English army was an armed militia. The nobles and Gentry owned the land and towns and every tenant was obligated to serve under the landowner. The big cities had their own militias and every man was obliged to serve. And own maintain and be trained in his own weapons.

    Medieval times sports other than archery were often outlawed. Every boy and man from royalty was required to do archery practice several times a month starring s our 6 or 7. The young age was to develop the physical strength to pull the bows and agility to pull arrows out of the quiver notch and shoot them as fast as possible.

    In many ways, England was backward in law enforcement compared to the rest of Europe. No city or town police forces until the 1800s. Citizens were supposed to catch suspected criminals and bring them to a magistrate.

    There were never any highway patrols in England. The roads weren’t safe and every traveler carried weapons including guns.

    The second amendment really came from Britain Americas mother country. Most of our laws were based on British law including gun and weapon laws.
    Plus, for a long time guns were necessary for food and home defense in areas where there was fighting with the Indians and little law enforcement for rural people.

    The demographic that is most likely to have guns is blacks. Maybe not registered. Usually bought privately not from a licensed gun store . But they have them. Ask any law enforcement person.

    Why do blacks need them? To defend themselves from their black neighbors. Just like the Americans, Indians and bandits 200 years ago. Or like Mexico during their civil war anarchy Christos 1910 to about 1935.

    The second amendment was very similar to the British laws regarding private ownership of weapons because there was no standing army or police for most of its history.

    And practical. Why raise taxes for an army and police when people could defend themselves and defeat the Indians? And hunt for meat.

    France has very widespread gun ownership too. For hunting mostly. But no European and sissy boy liberals criticizes France for its widespread gun ownership. Although with ever growing African and Muslim population every French home will soon need handguns for defense.

    Arabs and central Asians. Huge gun ownership. Fire wildly on holidays weddings even funerals.

    America’s not the only country with widespread gun ownership. Hunting’s very popular in Spain Austria Germany France Russia and the former Soviet territories.

    Learn some history learn from which country our second amendment realize how hunting wild game fed most people before supermarkets.

    America had a depression in the 1930s. Many rural people ate nothing but deer and wild game. Lots of people ate raccoons rabbits and possums those years. Livestock farmers keep rifles and handguns to kill sick or injured animals rather than letting them suffer. Usual procedure is walk the animal out of the barn or pen to shoot it. Avoids upsetting the other animals.

    And last but not least. Bad people use guns to kill other people. And in America it’s first blacks then Hispanics who do most of the killing.

    Not Whites.

    Learn some history about weapons ownership from stone throwing to modern guns.

    The American

    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Alden

    True story. In 1985 in a CA cow county I attended a luncheon thrown by the black pastors for court personnel. The church meeting room had long tables full of "soul" food, including possum, raccoon, and squirrel. So I'm in the buffet line trying to find something I can eat, and the 40-ish black guy in front of me says to nobody in particular, "Where's the 'coon?"

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Alden

    That was a nice summary of gun uses in early America, Alden. However, what is missing, for Henry's Cat's sake, is the fundamental purpose for Amendment II in the US Constitution.

    Only 7 years earlier, the American colonists had defeated the great power of Great Britain. The war was waged by a people who had been used to a huge amount of freedom for generations, against encroaching tyranny. (Besides a few policies, the British were pikers when compared to the huge Feral beast of a government we have now.)

    The Founders knew that they wouldn't be there, alive, and writing a Constitution, had they not all had guns and been very "regulated" (in practice). They wanted future Americans to have the same options.

  74. @Alden
    @epebble

    Bertrand Russell and numerous smart mouth liberals made that joke 1920 right up to the 1960s. And it was Christianity not western civilization. Jews and liberals loved that remark.

    Replies: @epebble

    Thank You; I thought that comment was attributed to Gandhi as some sort of wisecrack.

    But it looks like Bertrand Russell was virulently Anti-Christian and who knows, may be anti-Western Civilization too!

    Bertrand Russell: An Atheist Philosopher Christians Should Know
    https://www.equip.org/article/bertrand-russell-an-atheist-philosopher-christians-should-know/

    Why I Am Not a Christian (1927)*
    By Bertrand Russell

    https://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/whynot.html

  75. @dearieme
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    the Las Vegas shooting was clearly some sort of Deep State op

    To what end?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    >why would people like Peter Strzok kill what they call “smelly walmart people” and at the same time generate an excuse to pass laws they want passed

    It is a mystery. However, I don’t think it was a deep state op, I think it was a deep state screw-up. If you know what to do with the pickled ginger, you’ve probably received an unsolicited bonus gift as a loyalty reward from the casino, if you know what I mean. Some people can’t understand how much free nigiri there is in the world for a true high roller. You might remember three things which came out like the piquancy of good wasabi in that period:
    (1) Earth-shaking coup in Saudi Arabia, absolutely something which wasn’t supposed to be possible, not only a succession shift but a change to a downright progressive (by Saudi standards) heir who immediately
    (a) received US backing and
    (b) went after bad guys in the Saudi royal family.
    (2) Guess who owns the top of that hotel.
    (3) Guess who was established to be in town that night.
    (4) Plus the only suspect glows in daylight and would have no personal motive for what happened.
    When that unagi gets umami.

  76. @Henry's Cat
    @John Johnson

    Of course I understand why most Americans carry guns. It's not because they fear the government, it's because they fear each other. I simply object to it being dressed up in constitutional and libertarian swaddling.

    But the other half of the equation is the fetishisation of the gun. I had to stop reading the gunman's manifesto because the last few dozen pages are all about guns and ammo. It's a pity he didn't have an edifying hobby like stamp-collecting.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Alden, @J.Ross

    Constitutional swaddling? The dishonesty and chutzpah of this construct almost defies analysis. It’s like saying that Shelbyvillains love to drink lemonade because they enjoy the sweet taste. The Second Amendment is the Constitution, it’s not an augmentation or a wrapper. Also, the Buffalo Catspaw had several collecting hobbies. He had a regular table at multiple area flea markets. Some time before Biden’s Gift To Himself, that is, the shooting, somebody convinced Payton to sell all he had and buy a sword. In the logs Payton is constantly discussing selling off valuables and shopping for and modifying tacti-cool tchotchkies which served no purpose in the BGTH.

  77. @Henry's Cat
    Americans love their guns more than each other.

    Replies: @Charon, @J.Ross, @Alfa158, @John Johnson, @Reg Cæsar

    Americans love their guns more than each other.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Thanks: HammerJack
  78. @Truth
    @Alden

    "Mahatma, how do you feel about Western Civilization?"

    "I think it would be a good idea..."

    Replies: @epebble, @Alden, @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @Malla

    “Mahatma, how do you feel about Western Civilization?”

    “I think it would be a good idea…”

    This map shows that Gandhi– and Susan Sontag— may have had a point:

  79. You’re very welcome. It’s really a good crack very very clever. “Is Christianity good or bad? “ “ We really don’t know it’s never been tried.” Very popular remark early mid 20th century.

    I don’t think Ghandi ever said anything about Christianity. Didn’t want the Hindus to think he was pro Christian. Didn’t want the English to think he was anti Christian. Main religious concern was keeping Hindus and Muslims united to get rid of the English. Concentrate on Indian nationalism And smooth over religious differences.

  80. anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    @Henry's Cat

    The constitution was written ratified and signed in 1788. When America was 13 small English colonies with about 4 million people.

    Great Britain was one of the most powerful nations in free world. France soon acquired the interior 1/3 of the present USA back from Spain. Luckily France was busy with the revolutionary wars and not interested in colonies. Canada was sparsely populated but belonged to England Perfect staging ground for a re conquest.

    First and most important guns were required for food . America had plenty of wild pigs landed in Florida by the Spanish in the early 1500s. Most were wild lived in the woods and had to be shot. In fact even farm pigs and cattle were butchered at home not in slaughter houses. Butchered by shooting them in the head hopefully hitting the brain and killing them first shot.

    And deer birds raccoons rabbits and other wild game were staple meat So people needed guns to eat. Often made their own bullets. Recycled the bullets. The Indians also farmed. But had no domestic animals. They didn’t need to. Surrounded by wild animals for food clothes tents everything. When they hunted out one piece of their territory they moved on. The European settlers hunted for food too.

    Why is it wrong for Indians to feed their families with arrows and Whites and blacks not all right to feed their families using guns.?

    Second safety. There really was no law enforcement in rural areas or most importantly on the frontier. When the docile peasants and indentured servants got to America they got a little wild. Plus Americans lived in farms far away from each other. Not like European small farmers who lived in villages where they could watch out for each other and have law enforcement and watchmen

    Plus the wild predatory animals foxes killing livestock wolves and cougars mountain lions panthers. Same animal different names. They did kill people. And still do. Lots of wolves and coyotes in America today who kill livestock. I like mountain lions because they killed all the raccoons. In my San Mateo County neighborhood. But after they kill off the raccoons and deer they go after people. Lots of mountain lions and coyotes in cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco. Think what it was like in the frontier.

    Read the memoirs of Talleyrand and other French people who hid out from the worst of the revolution in America. A real change from living in long settled and civilized France. They didn’t need guns in France but sure did in America.

    And first and foremost defense against the Indians. The Americans and Spanish invaded their territories and took them. And the Indians fought back. The Spanish and Americans lived on isolated family farms. Very vulnerable to raiding parties of Indian trained soldiers.

    The American founders. Washington Jefferson etc intended from about 1760, end of the French and Indian war to conquer the interior held by either France or Spain depending on who won the last European war. And move to the Pacific coast as soon as possible.

    Which America did. Not using the army for about the first 60 years of the move west. But the ordinary citizens with their guns which fed their families and protected them against the well armed Indians and White criminals. The people moved west before law enforcement and government.

    Europeans were also well armed. England is America’s mother country. England, like America has no standing army until the 1700s under the Georges of Hanover who introduced the continental system.

    Right up to the early 1700s the English army was an armed militia. The nobles and Gentry owned the land and towns and every tenant was obligated to serve under the landowner. The big cities had their own militias and every man was obliged to serve. And own maintain and be trained in his own weapons.

    Medieval times sports other than archery were often outlawed. Every boy and man from royalty was required to do archery practice several times a month starring s our 6 or 7. The young age was to develop the physical strength to pull the bows and agility to pull arrows out of the quiver notch and shoot them as fast as possible.

    In many ways, England was backward in law enforcement compared to the rest of Europe. No city or town police forces until the 1800s. Citizens were supposed to catch suspected criminals and bring them to a magistrate.

    There were never any highway patrols in England. The roads weren’t safe and every traveler carried weapons including guns.

    The second amendment really came from Britain Americas mother country. Most of our laws were based on British law including gun and weapon laws.
    Plus, for a long time guns were necessary for food and home defense in areas where there was fighting with the Indians and little law enforcement for rural people.

    The demographic that is most likely to have guns is blacks. Maybe not registered. Usually bought privately not from a licensed gun store . But they have them. Ask any law enforcement person.

    Why do blacks need them? To defend themselves from their black neighbors. Just like the Americans, Indians and bandits 200 years ago. Or like Mexico during their civil war anarchy Christos 1910 to about 1935.

    The second amendment was very similar to the British laws regarding private ownership of weapons because there was no standing army or police for most of its history.

    And practical. Why raise taxes for an army and police when people could defend themselves and defeat the Indians? And hunt for meat.

    France has very widespread gun ownership too. For hunting mostly. But no European and sissy boy liberals criticizes France for its widespread gun ownership. Although with ever growing African and Muslim population every French home will soon need handguns for defense.

    Arabs and central Asians. Huge gun ownership. Fire wildly on holidays weddings even funerals.

    America’s not the only country with widespread gun ownership. Hunting’s very popular in Spain Austria Germany France Russia and the former Soviet territories.


    Learn some history learn from which country our second amendment realize how hunting wild game fed most people before supermarkets.

    America had a depression in the 1930s. Many rural people ate nothing but deer and wild game. Lots of people ate raccoons rabbits and possums those years. Livestock farmers keep rifles and handguns to kill sick or injured animals rather than letting them suffer. Usual procedure is walk the animal out of the barn or pen to shoot it. Avoids upsetting the other animals.


    And last but not least. Bad people use guns to kill other people. And in America it’s first blacks then Hispanics who do most of the killing.

    Not Whites.

    Learn some history about weapons ownership from stone throwing to modern guns.

    The American

    Replies: @anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman

    True story. In 1985 in a CA cow county I attended a luncheon thrown by the black pastors for court personnel. The church meeting room had long tables full of “soul” food, including possum, raccoon, and squirrel. So I’m in the buffet line trying to find something I can eat, and the 40-ish black guy in front of me says to nobody in particular, “Where’s the ‘coon?”

  81. @J.Ross
    @notsaying

    So another East Asian swallowing humiliation until one day it explodes.
    This happens every day in China by the way, it's the best explanation for the one video where the guy grabs the bus steering wheel and deliberately sends the bus off a bridge.

    Replies: @notsaying

    I don’t know how much real humiliation he swallowed. I would want to know more about this, for one thing: “Before Orellana moved in about five years ago, Chou received a head injury and other serious injuries in an attack by a tenant, the neighbor said.”

    It entirely possible that Chou went after the tenant. We could be talking about an overly aggressive or even violent person before he got his head injuries. Add that in, and who knows? Let’s see what else comes out.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @notsaying

    You just wish somebody could have gotten to him, you know, before it all got to be too much, and had a chance to talk with him, and really listen, and would have told him to make sure to tell everybody that he was radicalized by Russian disinformation on the illegal dark web site "4chan" but that a government censorship office protecting people from hate facts would have stopped it all from happening.

  82. @notsaying
    @J.Ross

    I don't know how much real humiliation he swallowed. I would want to know more about this, for one thing: "Before Orellana moved in about five years ago, Chou received a head injury and other serious injuries in an attack by a tenant, the neighbor said."

    It entirely possible that Chou went after the tenant. We could be talking about an overly aggressive or even violent person before he got his head injuries. Add that in, and who knows? Let's see what else comes out.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    You just wish somebody could have gotten to him, you know, before it all got to be too much, and had a chance to talk with him, and really listen, and would have told him to make sure to tell everybody that he was radicalized by Russian disinformation on the illegal dark web site “4chan” but that a government censorship office protecting people from hate facts would have stopped it all from happening.

  83. Off topic news the MEN OF UNZ will appreciate. California legislature passed a law mandating all corporate boards have women on the board. Friday May 13 LA county superior court judge Maureen Duffy-Lewis’s ruled the law was unconstitutional.

    The state will appeal to the state Supreme Court of course

    I’m sure that if the law mandated every corporate board have a black doofus on the board the law would have been upheld. Or an LGBT.

    Some of you guys might be happy a single judge overthrew another affirmative action law passed by hundreds of legislators. That’s the way it is. A single judge can overthrow an existing law or create an entirely new law.

  84. @Alden
    @Henry's Cat

    The constitution was written ratified and signed in 1788. When America was 13 small English colonies with about 4 million people.

    Great Britain was one of the most powerful nations in free world. France soon acquired the interior 1/3 of the present USA back from Spain. Luckily France was busy with the revolutionary wars and not interested in colonies. Canada was sparsely populated but belonged to England Perfect staging ground for a re conquest.

    First and most important guns were required for food . America had plenty of wild pigs landed in Florida by the Spanish in the early 1500s. Most were wild lived in the woods and had to be shot. In fact even farm pigs and cattle were butchered at home not in slaughter houses. Butchered by shooting them in the head hopefully hitting the brain and killing them first shot.

    And deer birds raccoons rabbits and other wild game were staple meat So people needed guns to eat. Often made their own bullets. Recycled the bullets. The Indians also farmed. But had no domestic animals. They didn’t need to. Surrounded by wild animals for food clothes tents everything. When they hunted out one piece of their territory they moved on. The European settlers hunted for food too.

    Why is it wrong for Indians to feed their families with arrows and Whites and blacks not all right to feed their families using guns.?

    Second safety. There really was no law enforcement in rural areas or most importantly on the frontier. When the docile peasants and indentured servants got to America they got a little wild. Plus Americans lived in farms far away from each other. Not like European small farmers who lived in villages where they could watch out for each other and have law enforcement and watchmen

    Plus the wild predatory animals foxes killing livestock wolves and cougars mountain lions panthers. Same animal different names. They did kill people. And still do. Lots of wolves and coyotes in America today who kill livestock. I like mountain lions because they killed all the raccoons. In my San Mateo County neighborhood. But after they kill off the raccoons and deer they go after people. Lots of mountain lions and coyotes in cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco. Think what it was like in the frontier.

    Read the memoirs of Talleyrand and other French people who hid out from the worst of the revolution in America. A real change from living in long settled and civilized France. They didn’t need guns in France but sure did in America.

    And first and foremost defense against the Indians. The Americans and Spanish invaded their territories and took them. And the Indians fought back. The Spanish and Americans lived on isolated family farms. Very vulnerable to raiding parties of Indian trained soldiers.

    The American founders. Washington Jefferson etc intended from about 1760, end of the French and Indian war to conquer the interior held by either France or Spain depending on who won the last European war. And move to the Pacific coast as soon as possible.

    Which America did. Not using the army for about the first 60 years of the move west. But the ordinary citizens with their guns which fed their families and protected them against the well armed Indians and White criminals. The people moved west before law enforcement and government.

    Europeans were also well armed. England is America’s mother country. England, like America has no standing army until the 1700s under the Georges of Hanover who introduced the continental system.

    Right up to the early 1700s the English army was an armed militia. The nobles and Gentry owned the land and towns and every tenant was obligated to serve under the landowner. The big cities had their own militias and every man was obliged to serve. And own maintain and be trained in his own weapons.

    Medieval times sports other than archery were often outlawed. Every boy and man from royalty was required to do archery practice several times a month starring s our 6 or 7. The young age was to develop the physical strength to pull the bows and agility to pull arrows out of the quiver notch and shoot them as fast as possible.

    In many ways, England was backward in law enforcement compared to the rest of Europe. No city or town police forces until the 1800s. Citizens were supposed to catch suspected criminals and bring them to a magistrate.

    There were never any highway patrols in England. The roads weren’t safe and every traveler carried weapons including guns.

    The second amendment really came from Britain Americas mother country. Most of our laws were based on British law including gun and weapon laws.
    Plus, for a long time guns were necessary for food and home defense in areas where there was fighting with the Indians and little law enforcement for rural people.

    The demographic that is most likely to have guns is blacks. Maybe not registered. Usually bought privately not from a licensed gun store . But they have them. Ask any law enforcement person.

    Why do blacks need them? To defend themselves from their black neighbors. Just like the Americans, Indians and bandits 200 years ago. Or like Mexico during their civil war anarchy Christos 1910 to about 1935.

    The second amendment was very similar to the British laws regarding private ownership of weapons because there was no standing army or police for most of its history.

    And practical. Why raise taxes for an army and police when people could defend themselves and defeat the Indians? And hunt for meat.

    France has very widespread gun ownership too. For hunting mostly. But no European and sissy boy liberals criticizes France for its widespread gun ownership. Although with ever growing African and Muslim population every French home will soon need handguns for defense.

    Arabs and central Asians. Huge gun ownership. Fire wildly on holidays weddings even funerals.

    America’s not the only country with widespread gun ownership. Hunting’s very popular in Spain Austria Germany France Russia and the former Soviet territories.


    Learn some history learn from which country our second amendment realize how hunting wild game fed most people before supermarkets.

    America had a depression in the 1930s. Many rural people ate nothing but deer and wild game. Lots of people ate raccoons rabbits and possums those years. Livestock farmers keep rifles and handguns to kill sick or injured animals rather than letting them suffer. Usual procedure is walk the animal out of the barn or pen to shoot it. Avoids upsetting the other animals.


    And last but not least. Bad people use guns to kill other people. And in America it’s first blacks then Hispanics who do most of the killing.

    Not Whites.

    Learn some history about weapons ownership from stone throwing to modern guns.

    The American

    Replies: @anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman

    That was a nice summary of gun uses in early America, Alden. However, what is missing, for Henry’s Cat’s sake, is the fundamental purpose for Amendment II in the US Constitution.

    Only 7 years earlier, the American colonists had defeated the great power of Great Britain. The war was waged by a people who had been used to a huge amount of freedom for generations, against encroaching tyranny. (Besides a few policies, the British were pikers when compared to the huge Feral beast of a government we have now.)

    The Founders knew that they wouldn’t be there, alive, and writing a Constitution, had they not all had guns and been very “regulated” (in practice). They wanted future Americans to have the same options.

  85. @Alden
    @stari_momak

    Agree, bringing over aged parents to bring in money from SSI and other senior benefits. Many of those Asian immigrants on SSI aren’t 65 plus, they’re in their 50s and work full time in the family business.

    One of the common scams the Asian old immigrants do is apply for cheap senior housing. Because they’re not White Americans they get priority of course. But instead of living in the apartment. They rent sub lease it to a tenant who pays full market rent. And the old people live in a crowded household with their relatives.
    Indians do it too. And Armenians and Russians.

    At least the Hispanic illegals who get priority for low income housing actually live in the apartments.

    What a country. Is there any non White country in the world that favors immigrants over its own citizens? I don’t think so.

    The favoring of immigrants illegal or not over their own citizens is common in Western Europe as well. Not in Eastern Europe. Evil racist Poles and Hungarians. Giving government benefits to their own people whose taxes pay for the benefits. . What a strange idea.

    Replies: @HallParvey, @JohnnyWalker123, @Malla, @Twinkie

    What a country. Is there any non White country in the world that favors immigrants over its own citizens? I don’t think so.

    Singapore up to some extent (not to the extent in the West). A lot of Singaporeans were complaining about FOB Indians coming in and given all kind of priorities.

  86. @Truth
    @Alden

    "Mahatma, how do you feel about Western Civilization?"

    "I think it would be a good idea..."

    Replies: @epebble, @Alden, @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar, @Malla

    Gandhi was a cunning guy who said crap, the libtards of those days it lapped up. But he said some good solid stuff too.

    Kemal Ataturk beat Gandhi on truth.
    “There are many cultures but only one civilization in this World. European civilization.”

    • Thanks: JimDandy
  87. Yt fetishizes slants…

  88. @Alden
    @Truth

    Not Mahtma. Bertrand Russell. And the quotes not western civilization. It’s “ no one really knows about Christianity. Because it’s never actually been been tried. “. Very popular among commies and anti Christian bigots early and mid 20th century.

    Western is as common a term for W European RC and Protestant civilization as ghetto is a term for black dysfunction. Many prefer it because it leaves out the word Christianity. And Western Europe is on the western edge of the great Eurasian land mass.

    South America is south of Central and North America. North America is North of Central and South America. Central America is in the middle. Middle or Central Europe is between western and Eastern Europe. Central. Asia is between east Asia and Europe. East Asia borders on the Pacific and is East of Central Asia,

    West Africa is on the Atlantic. East Africa is on the Indian Ocean. There’s a country called South Africa because it’s as far south as the continent goes. North Africa is a general term for Egypt to Morocco. Partly because it’s as far north as Africa goes. And partly because the people are Arabs and Berber Caucasians and not negroes who live south of the Sahara.

    America has a very definite southern culture. It’s really the south east And doesn’t include Texas New Mexico Arizona Nevada and California South east magnolias and lush greenery South west cactus and beige desert

    You and Andrew R are just assholes who have nothing to say and just want to start fights by ridiculous quibbling. I know what your civilization is; black ghetto.

    Replies: @Truth

    Not Mahtma. Bertrand Russell. And the quotes not western civilization. It’s “ no one really knows about Christianity. Because it’s never actually been been tried. “. Very popular among commies and anti Christian bigots early and mid 20th century

    .

    The internet begs to differ, Sportette.

    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/04/23/good-idea/

  89. @AceDeuce
    @Truth

    If you want to keep liking him, don't read about what Ghandi said about blechpipo.....

    Replies: @Truth

    I don’t like him, he was a CIA/MI-6 Asset like everyone else famous exalted from the postwar era to the 60’s.

  90. @J.Ross
    @Henry's Cat

    But murder is still rare here. There appears to be no threshold for or policing of violence in London, and the excuse is, well, it's not lethal violence. I didn't say murder, I don't want to get glassed, there was just a glassing this weekend.
    >explain American crime without mentioning the blegs.
    You're funny.

    Replies: @Truth

    I don’t want to get glassed,

    Neither did Dereck.

  91. anon[106] • Disclaimer says:
    @notsaying
    So it was a 68 year old Chinese guy who has been here since at least the 1980s who shot up a church congregation of Taiwanese professionals with an average age of 80.

    This makes no sense to me. Presumably Chinese shooter was a refugee or came here for education and never left. Why would he want to deny the people of Taiwan the freedom in their own country that he came to America to get for himself?

    I do have to wonder if he was recruited by the Chinese government to do this. I am the last person to suggest conspiracies but given the aggression of China in recent years and the known presence of their agents here, you would have to be blind or stupid not to consider the CCP as the instigator of this truly senseless act.

    Daily Mail has more but still there are a lot of unanswered questions.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10822297/Asian-American-man-68-Las-Vegas-identified-California-church-gunman.html

    Replies: @John Johnson, @anon

    Fake news from the US MSM. The shooter is Taiwanese. The Taiwanese media already identified who he is. He was a teacher in Taiwan. His wife and son still live in Taiwan.

    Apparently, this guy is having mental issue. He was sent into a mental hospital back in April 2022 after neighbor called 911.

    • Thanks: notsaying
  92. @Alden
    @stari_momak

    Agree, bringing over aged parents to bring in money from SSI and other senior benefits. Many of those Asian immigrants on SSI aren’t 65 plus, they’re in their 50s and work full time in the family business.

    One of the common scams the Asian old immigrants do is apply for cheap senior housing. Because they’re not White Americans they get priority of course. But instead of living in the apartment. They rent sub lease it to a tenant who pays full market rent. And the old people live in a crowded household with their relatives.
    Indians do it too. And Armenians and Russians.

    At least the Hispanic illegals who get priority for low income housing actually live in the apartments.

    What a country. Is there any non White country in the world that favors immigrants over its own citizens? I don’t think so.

    The favoring of immigrants illegal or not over their own citizens is common in Western Europe as well. Not in Eastern Europe. Evil racist Poles and Hungarians. Giving government benefits to their own people whose taxes pay for the benefits. . What a strange idea.

    Replies: @HallParvey, @JohnnyWalker123, @Malla, @Twinkie

    Agree, bringing over aged parents to bring in money from SSI and other senior benefits.

    Explain to me how this works.

    • LOL: Truth
  93. The perp, by all accounts, is a 外省人 wàishěngrén,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waishengren

    The Mandarin-speaking KMT elite who retreated with Chiang to Taiwan after ’49. Who ruled early days of ROC-Taiwan through an iron hand,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan)

    Historically they were hard-core anti-CCP and pro-unification, as in unification through KMT reconquest of Mainland.

    These days they are moderate-towards-CCP and still pro-unification. The ruling pro-Taiwanese independence DDR party is a coalition of Minnan speakers and Aboriginals.

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