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From the New York Times opinion columns:

The Abrupt End of My Big Girl Summer

There I was, blissfully enjoying Lizzo, when the world had to intrude and remind me that it is still disgusted by normal female bodies.

By Jennifer Weiner, Aug. 16, 2019

Call me crazy, but a few weeks ago, as the summer of 2019 was winding down, I’d been thinking that it had its good points.

Yes, there were tragedies. Heat waves. Mass shootings. The snap, crackle, fizzle of the Mueller testimony. Another credible allegation of rape leveled at our president.

But there were also glimpses of hope in this trash fire of a time. Some day, historians may look back and say: Hey, at least they had Lizzo.

If you don’t know who Lizzo is, I’m sorry that you have yet to experience the pure joy of a gorgeous, unapologetically plus-size black woman twerking in a bodysuit while playing the flute. …

If I could go back in time, I would inject Lizzo straight into my 14-year-old veins. I would tell my teenage self that she would grow up and see a woman like this owning the stage and not hiding behind anything. I’d tell her that there would be a thing called social media, and on it she could see ads for plus-size swimsuits being worn by actual plus-size women, posing with thinner models like it was no big deal, like having thick thighs was no different from having red hair. I’d explain how she’d be able to load up her Instagram feed with athletes and models and singers and yoga instructors whose bodies all looked, to some degree, like her own and that all of this would help her walk through the world and feel O.K. and hope that things would get better for her daughters.

This I believed, a mere matter of weeks ago.

And then the trailer for the new “Top Gun” movie dropped. …

Mr. Kilmer, Mr. Skerritt and Mr. Cruise are all reprising their roles. But Kelly McGillis, who played the astrophysicist/Top Gun instructor/girlfriend Charlie Blackwood in the original, wasn’t asked back.

Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism:

The most heartfelt articles by female journalists tend to be demands that social values be overturned in order that, Come the Revolution, the journalist herself will be considered hotter-looking.

 
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  1. Hmmm.

    I wonder why.

  2. How would Ms. Wiener (or is it Whiner) like it if she had to see obese, sweaty and hairy men twerking while playing the guitar?
    Maybe Kelly McGillis asked for too much money for what she was bringing to the table.

  3. This thread is worthless without pics.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Trust me. You do not want to go there.
    , @J. Farmer
    www.jenniferweiner.com
    , @Bill B.
    Actually it is easy to see why Jennifer Weiner is obsessed by Top Gun. She herself is clearly built for speed with a wind-baffling fuselage and outsize stabilisers.

    https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a20857925/jennifer-weiner-runs-for-how-it-makes-her-feel/
    , @Jack Hanson
    Pics withheld due to the human gag reflex.
  4. The reality is that the average women is considered more attractive than the average man. As women age and begin to lose this female advantage, they learn what life has always been like for men.

    There is a saying on the left: “When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” This is usually used to justify their anti-white bigotry, but it contains a grain of truth.

    This journalist’s complaints are just female privilege and feminist narcissism.

    https://quillette.com/2019/03/12/attraction-inequality-and-the-dating-economy/

    A data scientist representing the popular dating app “Hinge” reported on the Gini coefficients he had found in his company’s abundant data, treating “likes” as the equivalent of income. He reported that heterosexual females faced a Gini coefficient of 0.324, while heterosexual males faced a much higher Gini coefficient of 0.542. So neither sex has complete equality: in both cases, there are some “wealthy” people with access to more romantic experiences and some “poor” who have access to few or none. But while the situation for women is something like an economy with some poor, some middle class, and some millionaires, the situation for men is closer to a world with a small number of super-billionaires surrounded by huge masses who possess almost nothing. According to the Hinge analyst:

    On a list of 149 countries’ Gini indices provided by the CIA World Factbook, this would place the female dating economy as 75th most unequal (average—think Western Europe) and the male dating economy as the 8th most unequal (kleptocracy, apartheid, perpetual civil war—think South Africa).

    …Another study, reported in Business Insider, found a pattern in messaging on dating apps that is consistent with these findings. Yet another study, run by OkCupid on their huge datasets, found that women rate 80 percent of men as “worse-looking than medium,” and that this 80 percent “below-average” block received replies to messages only about 30 percent of the time or less. By contrast, men rate women as worse-looking than medium only about 50 percent of the time, and this 50 percent below-average block received message replies closer to 40 percent of the time or higher.

    If these findings are to be believed, the great majority of women are only willing to communicate romantically with a small minority of men while most men are willing to communicate romantically with most women. The degree of inequality in “likes” and “matches” credibly measures the degree of inequality in attractiveness, and necessarily implies at least that degree of inequality in romantic experiences. It seems hard to avoid a basic conclusion: that the majority of women find the majority of men unattractive and not worth engaging with romantically, while the reverse is not true. Stated in another way, it seems that men collectively create a “dating economy” for women with relatively low inequality, while women collectively create a “dating economy” for men with very high inequality.

    • Agree: MalePaleStale
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The reality is that the average women is considered more attractive than the average man.
     
    Especially to other men.

    But can you point to what "studies show"?
    , @Alden
    It’s because woman are more selective and men are more interested in sexual availability than looks.

    I couldn’t even finish reading the article. Not article just a couple paragraphs. Bringing back cloistered convents might be the solution. Cloistered means they stay in the convent and don’t bother the rest of society.

    Men have their faults. But women, I’m embarrassed to be one, what’s wrong with them?

    I should write an article about Mein Kampf finding the right shade of nail polish.
    , @Whiskey
    This is in a nutshell, the fall of the West. As soon as we gave women equal power and opportunity they repaid us by working to replace us. Most White women find most White men not only utterly disposable, but want to actively dispose of us to prevent any unwanted attention.

    White women crave attention. But only from the top 10% of White men. Or various non White men who swagger. That's it.

    Immavasion? All the better to drown the average White man. Anti-White? All the better to sort out the Darwinian winners from the losers. The average White woman looks at Game of Thrones and figures she'll be the queen riding the Dragon incinerating cities and getting adulation from masses of Brown people. Or something.

    This is why, over and over and over again, any effort to limit immavasion, or anti-White sentiment, fails and fails completely. White women are something like 85% or more in favor of both, and hostile to any attempt to interfere with their rigging of the sexual and social marketplace to their liking. This is why any sane society does not allow women any significant power and equality -- they will use it to replace their men and invite in swaggering foreigners who form the equivalent of Romance Novel covers.

    Kelly McGillis is old and fat. No one wants to see her. Women should be reminded at every opportunity that their usefulness to the top men has a hard limit, and is certainly over by age 35 or so.
    , @Rosie

    If these findings are to be believed, the great majority of women are only willing to communicate romantically with a small minority of men while most men are willing to communicate romantically with most women.
     
    This is a blatant lie.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcXX8meUQAAYQS8.png

    Now, it is no news flash that men have an easier time getting sex than women. The question is: How picky are men when it comes to settling down?
  5. Kelly McGillis is 62 and came out as a lesbian 10 years ago. The trailer for Top Gun 2 looks great, btw.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Looks a lot better than Kelly McGinnis:

    https://lifestyle.style/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/CM-COMPOSITE-KELLY-MCGILLIS.jpg
  6. ‘…Kelly McGillis, who played the astrophysicist/Top Gun instructor/girlfriend Charlie Blackwood in the original, wasn’t asked back.’

    Kelly McGillis was a bit old for the female romantic lead in the original Top Gun.

    Now?

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Didn't she bang that Seagal guy,the "actor"? That would explain a lot.
    , @R.G. Camara
    It was part of a theme of the movie; Cruise was searching for a mother and a father figure.
  7. @L Woods
    This thread is worthless without pics.

    Trust me. You do not want to go there.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    Lizzo's track, "Juice" is catchy enough....

    ...otherwise...

    WE'RE GONNA NEED A BIGGER BOAT!!!
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    I should have heeded your warning.
    , @ScarletNumber
    Meh, I'm sure you've done worse.

    Anyway, Jen is an alumna of Princeton. On her website, she BRAGS about not having taken one math class there. One of my pet peeves is people bragging about being bad at math. No one brags about being a bad reader.
  8. @L Woods
    This thread is worthless without pics.
    • Replies: @Miss Laura
    Are her books shelved by COLOR?
  9. The reality is that the average women is considered more attractive than the average man. As women age and begin to lose this female advantage, they learn what life has always been like for men.

    Goddamn right. Fatty needs to shut up, put the donut down, and get on the Stairmaster.

    Men age like wine, women age like milk. Deal with it.

    Reposting the new Top Gun trailer, which looks good, but not nearly as awesome as the Rambo 5 trailer:

    The only possible improvement is if Maverick were flying a top of the line aircraft like the F-22 or Su-35.

    Someday, TWGH will be fat, old, and lame.

    Maybe so, but not today, sir.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Women live longer, so it's more that male sexual attraction drops off less precipitously. But there are still lots of old guys who vastly overestimate their attractiveness to younger women. It does fall.
    , @syonredux
    Like the aging gunfighter vibe....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km_L0v3C0ms
  10. Sometimes if you catch a Norfolk Southern train with coal cars, you see “Top Gon(dola)” printed on the sides. Also, at this time, why hasn’t Ms. Weiner’s written complaints been produced by an AI bot? Same drivel different topic.

  11. Tom Cruise:

    Kelly McGillis:

    • Replies: @Gapeseed
    The Danger Zone.
    , @Unladen Swallow
    Two pictures are worth a thousand words, and as far as I know Tom Skerritt isn't in the sequel, and Val Kilmer pointedly lobbied to be in it, I don't think they were planning for him to be in it originally. Regarding Kelly McGillis, came across her in a cheesy SyFy Channel movie of the week about a dozen years ago, my cousin and I were flipping channels on TV after a football game and were shocked to see how bad she looked twenty some years after Top Gun, I figured she hadn't improved since.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    The shocking thing is not that Kelly McGillis isn't making money, but that Tom Cruise is.

    (Tom Cruise, or, as Celebrity Movie Archive would refer to him, "a guy".)
    , @Kronos
    For a second I thought she had three arms. There’s another person standing behind her.
    , @Andy
    One reason that men age like wine and women age like milk. The desirability of women once they are past their fertility years drops like a free falling rock
    , @Clifford Brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSV35A1cQDM
    , @guest
    The counterpoint might be that Val Kilmer lately looks like a ghoul doing a bad impression of Val Kilmer. Except he's still famous.
    , @Sam Haysom
    Now do Val Kilmer. Now it was dumb for this writer to make this point with McGillis who was much older than cruise. But Val Kilmer is completely bloated at this point.
    , @Laurence Whelk
    Not a fair comparison, she hasn’t been drinking the blood of babies for three decades.
  12. There is a happy solution to Ms Weiner’s concerns.

    Substitute ‘Lizzo’ for Kelly McGillis. ‘Love is up where we belong…’

    Just picture Tom Cruise trying to keep that smile that’s somewhat insincere to begin with from shading into frank incredulity.

  13. @Kylie
    Trust me. You do not want to go there.

    Lizzo’s track, “Juice” is catchy enough….

    …otherwise…

    WE’RE GONNA NEED A BIGGER BOAT!!!

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  14. The last time I saw a photo of Kelly McGillis she looked like she weighed 300 lbs. Actesses and most women, for that matter, even though it has become the norm especially for those in front of a camera, cannot remain anorexic forever.

    • Replies: @turtlesallthewaydown
    Kelly McGillis looked athletic, not anorexic, in her prime. I would have expected her to be a very attractive older woman. However, if the picture just above is really her, she's unusually unattractive. Jennifer Weiner can't seriously think she should have gotten the part, can she?
    , @Anon
    The problem with being a Hollywood actress who is constantly dieting is that your body thinks you're starving and goes into pack-on-the-pounds hyperdrive mode. Eventually, the body wins.
  15. @syonredux
    Tom Cruise:

    https://www.pedestrian.tv/content/uploads/2018/12/tom-cruise.jpg



    Kelly McGillis:

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article12691687.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/EMB-PAY-MEGA_Kelly_McGillis_004.jpg

    The Danger Zone.

  16. @The Wild Geese Howard

    The reality is that the average women is considered more attractive than the average man. As women age and begin to lose this female advantage, they learn what life has always been like for men.
     
    Goddamn right. Fatty needs to shut up, put the donut down, and get on the Stairmaster.

    Men age like wine, women age like milk. Deal with it.

    Reposting the new Top Gun trailer, which looks good, but not nearly as awesome as the Rambo 5 trailer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSqVVswa420

    The only possible improvement is if Maverick were flying a top of the line aircraft like the F-22 or Su-35.

    Someday, TWGH will be fat, old, and lame.

    Maybe so, but not today, sir.

    Women live longer, so it’s more that male sexual attraction drops off less precipitously. But there are still lots of old guys who vastly overestimate their attractiveness to younger women. It does fall.

    • Replies: @Richard S
    Well it’s basic evolutionary biology, isn’t it? Men can become fathers throughout their adult lives, but women become infertile in middle age.

    One of the most ludicrous falsehoods propagated by NYT opinion columnist types (dot dot dot) is that attractiveness isn’t objective. But of course it is. Health, youth and fitness in females are objectively attractive, while the power to provide security and comfort is objectively attractive in males.

    How Mr Sailer manages to read through these transparent culture-wrecking lies every day and not grind his teeth into dust, or go on some sorta rampage with his golf clubs, I’ll never know..
    , @L Woods
    I suspect you’ll do a lot worse as a male underestimating your attractiveness than overestimating it, even at an older age and even today. The life-ending consequences that instill hereditary caution in ‘betas’ is an utterly obsolescent evolutionary own goal today.
  17. I liked that movie when it came out, it was a great film to see in theaters, but whoever cast Kelly McGillis in that role must have been out of his or her mind. At 5’10” she towered over Tom Cruise, and no one was shocked when she came out as a lesbian. Age did not improve her.

    I say, bring her back and put her in the movie. Let her appearance speak for itself. Make her the romantic lead, let Tom Cruise fight for her hand. At some point, unlimited female privilege will collapse under its own weight. Won’t it?

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    That's a great idea. Little infuriates them more than getting exactly what they want. Frankly I always thought she looked like his mom in the first film, but then I also thought the first film was kinda stupid so what do I know.
    , @Jeff the Donleavy Fan
    The romantic relationship in that movie between Cruise and McGillis was secondary to the homosexual love/hate relationship between Cruise and Val Kilmer. McGillis may have given off an unusual vibe, but if so, it blended well into the overall homoerotic tone of the movie.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    It won't matter a hill of beans to me. I wouldn't see it. I'm not gonna see it the way it is now. Why in the hell would I want to watch a remake of a mid-80's movie about training for flying dogfights and the suspense in naval aviation in the Cold War era? The Cold War is long over, and they're not even featuring the newest fighters, per a guy above.

    WTF? Is Hollywood completely out of any ideas besides PC versions of comic books?
  18. @Drake
    The reality is that the average women is considered more attractive than the average man. As women age and begin to lose this female advantage, they learn what life has always been like for men.

    There is a saying on the left: "When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression." This is usually used to justify their anti-white bigotry, but it contains a grain of truth.

    This journalist's complaints are just female privilege and feminist narcissism.

    https://quillette.com/2019/03/12/attraction-inequality-and-the-dating-economy/

    A data scientist representing the popular dating app “Hinge” reported on the Gini coefficients he had found in his company’s abundant data, treating “likes” as the equivalent of income. He reported that heterosexual females faced a Gini coefficient of 0.324, while heterosexual males faced a much higher Gini coefficient of 0.542. So neither sex has complete equality: in both cases, there are some “wealthy” people with access to more romantic experiences and some “poor” who have access to few or none. But while the situation for women is something like an economy with some poor, some middle class, and some millionaires, the situation for men is closer to a world with a small number of super-billionaires surrounded by huge masses who possess almost nothing. According to the Hinge analyst:

    On a list of 149 countries’ Gini indices provided by the CIA World Factbook, this would place the female dating economy as 75th most unequal (average—think Western Europe) and the male dating economy as the 8th most unequal (kleptocracy, apartheid, perpetual civil war—think South Africa).

    …Another study, reported in Business Insider, found a pattern in messaging on dating apps that is consistent with these findings. Yet another study, run by OkCupid on their huge datasets, found that women rate 80 percent of men as “worse-looking than medium,” and that this 80 percent “below-average” block received replies to messages only about 30 percent of the time or less. By contrast, men rate women as worse-looking than medium only about 50 percent of the time, and this 50 percent below-average block received message replies closer to 40 percent of the time or higher.

    If these findings are to be believed, the great majority of women are only willing to communicate romantically with a small minority of men while most men are willing to communicate romantically with most women. The degree of inequality in “likes” and “matches” credibly measures the degree of inequality in attractiveness, and necessarily implies at least that degree of inequality in romantic experiences. It seems hard to avoid a basic conclusion: that the majority of women find the majority of men unattractive and not worth engaging with romantically, while the reverse is not true. Stated in another way, it seems that men collectively create a “dating economy” for women with relatively low inequality, while women collectively create a “dating economy” for men with very high inequality.
     

    The reality is that the average women is considered more attractive than the average man.

    Especially to other men.

    But can you point to what “studies show”?

  19. Despite all his Scientology hoodoo voodu Tom Cruise is in excellent shape so can pull this off? I guess so even this must be 30 years after Top Gun. I never saw the movie. Will they include a reprise of “Takes My Breath Away”? By Berlin.
    Kelly McGillis was never considered. Way too hefty and enjoying her retirement years…..living off residuals checks. It will be cool if she is invited to the premiers of TG2.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Checking IMDB, McGillis was in a movie last year. She seems to have had a pretty interesting life so far - throttled back on the acting while raising her kids in the ‘90s, and opened a restaurant in Florida (her lesbian partner, after her two marriages to men, was a bartender there). She also spent a few years working with addicts in New Jersey and now teaches acting in North Carolina.
    , @Redneck farmer
    A Weird Al parody of Take My Breath Away at this point.
  20. Whereas it is totally legitimate to attack online anti-SJW’s as “Fat, balding neckbeard virgins who no woman would ever have sex with.”

    Good thing I look like Fabio in real life, or that kind of shit would give me a real body image complex.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    You can always spot the leftist shills because they're trying to be as nasty as possible right out of the gate, and they have no engagement, everything is a Colbert or Adam Ruins one-line presumed refutation. This has gone on for years and I can't imagine it had any success, I cannot imagine one person deciding to vote Democrat because he was called stupid or a virgin. They set up a "gauntlet" on either side of the entrance to a recent Trump rally. This is probably "bird dogging" (they're not going to convince anyone of anything, they're not going to get one rally-goer to turn around, so their probable goal is to provoke a fight) -- all the useless last ditch desperation sore loser strategies exposed by Project Veritas are still churning pointlessly along, amply supplied by funds from clueless billionaires.
  21. @The Wild Geese Howard

    The reality is that the average women is considered more attractive than the average man. As women age and begin to lose this female advantage, they learn what life has always been like for men.
     
    Goddamn right. Fatty needs to shut up, put the donut down, and get on the Stairmaster.

    Men age like wine, women age like milk. Deal with it.

    Reposting the new Top Gun trailer, which looks good, but not nearly as awesome as the Rambo 5 trailer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSqVVswa420

    The only possible improvement is if Maverick were flying a top of the line aircraft like the F-22 or Su-35.

    Someday, TWGH will be fat, old, and lame.

    Maybe so, but not today, sir.

    Like the aging gunfighter vibe….

    • Replies: @guest
    Somebody watched Logan, I presume.

    Why is Rambo suddenly a Western? I guess the tunnels are Vietnammy.
    , @Whitey Whiteman III
    Rambo slaughtering messicans at the border. Awesome.
  22. @syonredux
    Tom Cruise:

    https://www.pedestrian.tv/content/uploads/2018/12/tom-cruise.jpg



    Kelly McGillis:

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article12691687.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/EMB-PAY-MEGA_Kelly_McGillis_004.jpg

    Two pictures are worth a thousand words, and as far as I know Tom Skerritt isn’t in the sequel, and Val Kilmer pointedly lobbied to be in it, I don’t think they were planning for him to be in it originally. Regarding Kelly McGillis, came across her in a cheesy SyFy Channel movie of the week about a dozen years ago, my cousin and I were flipping channels on TV after a football game and were shocked to see how bad she looked twenty some years after Top Gun, I figured she hadn’t improved since.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    In the early 1980s, William Hurt and Kathleen Turner looked like they'd dominate for the rest of the century, but they both kind of disappeared after the 1980s, while Ted Danson, who had a comic relief role in Body Heat, went on to probably a better career.
  23. @syonredux
    Tom Cruise:

    https://www.pedestrian.tv/content/uploads/2018/12/tom-cruise.jpg



    Kelly McGillis:

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article12691687.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/EMB-PAY-MEGA_Kelly_McGillis_004.jpg

    The shocking thing is not that Kelly McGillis isn’t making money, but that Tom Cruise is.

    (Tom Cruise, or, as Celebrity Movie Archive would refer to him, “a guy”.)

    • Replies: @anon
    I'm a woman and I really like Tom Cruise, especially the Mission Impossible movies, oh and the one with Cameron Diaz, Night and Day. I think he looks great. Good for him. That would be awful to have him near McGillis, but then I didn't care much for her in the original. I think he did well along side Demi Moore, I don't care much for her voice but he would have paired better, even his ex wife.
  24. @syonredux
    Tom Cruise:

    https://www.pedestrian.tv/content/uploads/2018/12/tom-cruise.jpg



    Kelly McGillis:

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article12691687.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/EMB-PAY-MEGA_Kelly_McGillis_004.jpg

    For a second I thought she had three arms. There’s another person standing behind her.

  25. @Colin Wright
    '...Kelly McGillis, who played the astrophysicist/Top Gun instructor/girlfriend Charlie Blackwood in the original, wasn’t asked back.'

    Kelly McGillis was a bit old for the female romantic lead in the original Top Gun.

    Now?

    Didn’t she bang that Seagal guy,the “actor”? That would explain a lot.

    • Replies: @Whitey Whiteman III
    Maybe he banged both, but you are probably thinking of Kelly LeBrock, who also aged pretty horrifically (got fat before age would have run her into the wall).
    , @William Badwhite
    I have it on (somewhat) good authority she also banged half of the squadron that did the flying scenes. She got passed around the O-club bar like a bowl of popcorn.

    Also, Val Kilmer was afraid to take a ride in the jet.
  26. I had never heard of Lizzo until this post. Here is the twerking and flute playing video in question.

    I was so ready to hate this and condemn it as further evidence of our societal decline blah blah blah, but this isn’t really so bad. Sure our culture is in free fall collapse, but Lizzo gets a pass in my book. The performance is just plain goofy. Goofy may not be good, but it ain’t evil. I’m at the stage where as long as the video does not openly support satanism, drug addiction, violence or nihilism, I’m pretty much ok with it. Lizzo’s video might as well be Old Yeller by modern pop sensibilities, so twerk on my fat queen.

    Imagine the ghost of William Safire reading this article and realizing how far The Times has fallen. That’s the tragedy here. This is not the silly Arts Section, this is the OPINION PAGE. We really don’t have many quality newspapers left in this country and The Times, despite its many faults, is about as good as we got and it is collapsing in real time before our eyes. It’s kind of depressing.

    Speaking of cultural collapse, it’s hard to look at old musical clips and not think that something has been lost. And 200 pounds (give or take) have been gained.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Ever come across Sanford and Son on TV? The women are so thin compared to the black women in sit coms today. Ever seen M’Onique?
    , @Alden
    Pretty skin color. The clip inspired me to skip dinner in the interests of not looking like Lizzo. It’s cute in a high school way.

    There’s a whole accept your fat trend in women’s fashion. It’s accepting reality.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    I like the idea of performers being judged on their talent and not their looks.

    Speaking of which, I remember back in 1973 going to see “As You Like It” in Central Park. There was a chubby and not particularly attractive fellow who had a bit part that required singing a couple of Shakespeare songs. The actor wasn’t much to look at, but he had a voice that stole the show.

    We checked the program for this unknown soon-to-be Star. He had a very unusual name which the reader must guess.


    Hints:
    Fat
    Ugly
    Strange name
    Voice like an angel
    Best known movie role he gets hacked to death by a transsexual.
    Wound up selling tens of millions of records.
    Had a monster hit record with Phil Rizzuto.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Tina Turner's televised thighs
    contributed mightily to my adolescence.
    , @Bigdicknick
    lizzos music is good.
  27. men age like wine; women age like milk

    • Replies: @PennTothal

    men age like wine; women age like milk
     
    Or as Patrice O'neal (Rest in Peace) famously said "get old like bread, not like wine..."

    (minute 1:12 below)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUYYX13uB4E
  28. One of the worst traits in women (obviously not all of them, but a good chunk) is their obsession with celebrities. Who cares whether an actress got a role or not?

  29. @syonredux
    Tom Cruise:

    https://www.pedestrian.tv/content/uploads/2018/12/tom-cruise.jpg



    Kelly McGillis:

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article12691687.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/EMB-PAY-MEGA_Kelly_McGillis_004.jpg

    One reason that men age like wine and women age like milk. The desirability of women once they are past their fertility years drops like a free falling rock

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    Which must be why everyone here doesn’t at all come across like a bunch of thirsty boomers who couldn’t afford the Filipino second wife.

    One of the thing that makes me like this site the most is that a lot of the contributors like Steve are happily married and comment in bemusement on these type female quirks rather than the bitter caterwauling of the comment section.

    It’s just like with Israel Steve’s opinion of women is so much healthier and balanced than the commenters.
  30. Kelly McGillis’ looks have really nosedived. Far more so than other actresses her age.

    She is 62. Meg Ryan, who was also in the film, is 57 and hasn’t deteriorated to nearly the same degree.

    Other actresses now age ~62 who have still managed to look a lot better than Kelly McGillis at this age are :

    Kim Cattrall
    Bo Derek
    Shannon Tweed
    Melanie Griffith
    Michelle Pfeiffer
    Sharon Stone
    Andie McDowell
    Fran Drescher
    Patricia Heaton
    Heather Thomas (Jody from ‘The Fall Guy’)

    Not all of the above were exclusively appearance-cast actresses either in their day (i.e. near perfect 10s in their youth).

    So yes, it is fair to at least compare Kelly McGillis to the above list of her peers (to which she compares badly, even if she squarely was in their league back in 1987).

  31. Apparently the finale of the Handmaid’s Tale shows women escaping to Canada, where they can wear what they want. Women are so frigging incapable of thinking beyond their own bodies:

    • Replies: @Tex
    A gal can wear what she wants in Canada so long as it's a parka or a hockey uniform. Not a Bruins jersey of course.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    That's hilarious. I've never watched "The Handmaid's Tale," but I understand it shows what the US would be like if it were run by the Muslims whose continued immigration progressives favor.
    , @Dissident

    Women are so frigging incapable of thinking beyond their own bodies
     
    Now what could possibly cause women to be so concerned about their appearance? It's not as if men care all that much about such things, now is it?

    The irony of your comment, juxtaposed as it is with the others in this thread, is apparently lost on you.

    I certainly would not deny the power of aesthetic and erotic appeal. But are those the extent of a woman's worth? So many of the comments both here as well as in countless other iSteve threads I've seen have suggested, if not stated outright, exactly that. One might ask the individuals posting such comments: Are women merely expendable creatures, to be discarded after their value in providing sexual gratification (and perhaps breeding) to men has expired?

    ~ ~ ~
    As for the saying that "men age like wine", does it not oversimplify the reality?

    For most men beyond a certain age, do wealth and power not begin to become increasingly more likely than looks to be attractants for women?

  32. @Drake
    The reality is that the average women is considered more attractive than the average man. As women age and begin to lose this female advantage, they learn what life has always been like for men.

    There is a saying on the left: "When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression." This is usually used to justify their anti-white bigotry, but it contains a grain of truth.

    This journalist's complaints are just female privilege and feminist narcissism.

    https://quillette.com/2019/03/12/attraction-inequality-and-the-dating-economy/

    A data scientist representing the popular dating app “Hinge” reported on the Gini coefficients he had found in his company’s abundant data, treating “likes” as the equivalent of income. He reported that heterosexual females faced a Gini coefficient of 0.324, while heterosexual males faced a much higher Gini coefficient of 0.542. So neither sex has complete equality: in both cases, there are some “wealthy” people with access to more romantic experiences and some “poor” who have access to few or none. But while the situation for women is something like an economy with some poor, some middle class, and some millionaires, the situation for men is closer to a world with a small number of super-billionaires surrounded by huge masses who possess almost nothing. According to the Hinge analyst:

    On a list of 149 countries’ Gini indices provided by the CIA World Factbook, this would place the female dating economy as 75th most unequal (average—think Western Europe) and the male dating economy as the 8th most unequal (kleptocracy, apartheid, perpetual civil war—think South Africa).

    …Another study, reported in Business Insider, found a pattern in messaging on dating apps that is consistent with these findings. Yet another study, run by OkCupid on their huge datasets, found that women rate 80 percent of men as “worse-looking than medium,” and that this 80 percent “below-average” block received replies to messages only about 30 percent of the time or less. By contrast, men rate women as worse-looking than medium only about 50 percent of the time, and this 50 percent below-average block received message replies closer to 40 percent of the time or higher.

    If these findings are to be believed, the great majority of women are only willing to communicate romantically with a small minority of men while most men are willing to communicate romantically with most women. The degree of inequality in “likes” and “matches” credibly measures the degree of inequality in attractiveness, and necessarily implies at least that degree of inequality in romantic experiences. It seems hard to avoid a basic conclusion: that the majority of women find the majority of men unattractive and not worth engaging with romantically, while the reverse is not true. Stated in another way, it seems that men collectively create a “dating economy” for women with relatively low inequality, while women collectively create a “dating economy” for men with very high inequality.
     

    It’s because woman are more selective and men are more interested in sexual availability than looks.

    I couldn’t even finish reading the article. Not article just a couple paragraphs. Bringing back cloistered convents might be the solution. Cloistered means they stay in the convent and don’t bother the rest of society.

    Men have their faults. But women, I’m embarrassed to be one, what’s wrong with them?

    I should write an article about Mein Kampf finding the right shade of nail polish.

  33. If you don’t know who Lizzo is, I’m sorry that you have yet to experience the pure joy of a gorgeous, unapologetically plus-size black woman twerking in a bodysuit while playing the flute.

    Has the NYT ever published a finer sentence than this?

  34. @Clifford Brown
    I had never heard of Lizzo until this post. Here is the twerking and flute playing video in question.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcVOMUrBpF4

    I was so ready to hate this and condemn it as further evidence of our societal decline blah blah blah, but this isn't really so bad. Sure our culture is in free fall collapse, but Lizzo gets a pass in my book. The performance is just plain goofy. Goofy may not be good, but it ain't evil. I'm at the stage where as long as the video does not openly support satanism, drug addiction, violence or nihilism, I'm pretty much ok with it. Lizzo's video might as well be Old Yeller by modern pop sensibilities, so twerk on my fat queen.

    Imagine the ghost of William Safire reading this article and realizing how far The Times has fallen. That's the tragedy here. This is not the silly Arts Section, this is the OPINION PAGE. We really don't have many quality newspapers left in this country and The Times, despite its many faults, is about as good as we got and it is collapsing in real time before our eyes. It's kind of depressing.

    Speaking of cultural collapse, it's hard to look at old musical clips and not think that something has been lost. And 200 pounds (give or take) have been gained.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQna4f9b4OU

    Ever come across Sanford and Son on TV? The women are so thin compared to the black women in sit coms today. Ever seen M’Onique?

  35. I’ve said it elsewhere and I’ll say it here: Hollywood hasn’t had an original idea for decades. This is why they continue to drop pathetic sequels and remakes which are vastly inferior to the original. Hollywood passes off emaciated girls who look like little boys as the standard of beauty. Hollywood celebrates the profane and perverse and ridicules morality. Hollywood is morally, spiritually, artistically, and ethically bankrupt.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Even patronizing the occasional worthwhile Hollywood film is feeding the same beast.

    Boycott.
  36. @Anon7
    I liked that movie when it came out, it was a great film to see in theaters, but whoever cast Kelly McGillis in that role must have been out of his or her mind. At 5’10” she towered over Tom Cruise, and no one was shocked when she came out as a lesbian. Age did not improve her.

    I say, bring her back and put her in the movie. Let her appearance speak for itself. Make her the romantic lead, let Tom Cruise fight for her hand. At some point, unlimited female privilege will collapse under its own weight. Won’t it?

    That’s a great idea. Little infuriates them more than getting exactly what they want. Frankly I always thought she looked like his mom in the first film, but then I also thought the first film was kinda stupid so what do I know.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha, Mr. McKenna, you bring up a good point. I didn't think about it then, but now you reminded me of a scene from the old Family Ties TV show. I've tried to find it on youtube to no avail.

    Alex Keating and his friend went to W. Virginia to go drinking because the drinking age was lower (good times, good times!), and they had convinced a couple of young ladies at the bar that they were both fighter pilots. They were to "invade Canada in the morning." (He wasn't thinking too quick on his feet.) Then, Mrs. Keating, who come to think of it, was pretty young to be those 4 kids' Mom in that show, drove down from Ohio to get them. Hilarity ensued.

    Mallory was HOT... just sayin'...
    , @Lurker
    Not seen it in years but Kelly struck me as nice but plain with a rather too sturdy chin. Just not sexy. Now add 33 years on top of that. . .
  37. @syonredux
    Tom Cruise:

    https://www.pedestrian.tv/content/uploads/2018/12/tom-cruise.jpg



    Kelly McGillis:

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article12691687.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/EMB-PAY-MEGA_Kelly_McGillis_004.jpg

  38. OT
    Wales to combat obesity by installing fat shaming toilets.

    [theguardian.com]
    Loos in Porthcawl, south Wales, will feature weight sensors and sound alarms

    …sensors would automatically open the doors and sound high-pitched alarms, with fine water jets soaking the interior.

    Porthcawl town council is spending £170,000 on the futuristic toilets in Griffin Park

    Twitter users have questioned how the systems, in particular the weight-sensitive floors, would work in practice.

    One said: “Weight sensitive floors…? What baseline weight are they using?

    Another added: “There are obvious serious questions about weight sensors, with potential for cruel humiliation of facility users.”

    • Replies: @Alden
    Those new toilets are for 2 people sitting in a toilet humping away or even one person sitting on the toilets wanking.
  39. “I would tell my teenage self that she would grow up to see a woman like this owning the stage”

    Uh, your teenage self could’ve just gone to the circus or the opera, if she really needed to see such a thing. Which honestly I can’t imagine a 14 year-old caring about.

    • LOL: Kylie
  40. @Anon7
    I liked that movie when it came out, it was a great film to see in theaters, but whoever cast Kelly McGillis in that role must have been out of his or her mind. At 5’10” she towered over Tom Cruise, and no one was shocked when she came out as a lesbian. Age did not improve her.

    I say, bring her back and put her in the movie. Let her appearance speak for itself. Make her the romantic lead, let Tom Cruise fight for her hand. At some point, unlimited female privilege will collapse under its own weight. Won’t it?

    The romantic relationship in that movie between Cruise and McGillis was secondary to the homosexual love/hate relationship between Cruise and Val Kilmer. McGillis may have given off an unusual vibe, but if so, it blended well into the overall homoerotic tone of the movie.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    Who can forget Val Kilmer’s memorable “chomp”?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vmbCdedxoaw
    , @CAL2
    And there it is, the reason homosexuality destroys the view of normal male relationships. The volleyball scene, which is supposedly so homoerotic is there for one reason, the ladies. It's the same reason the love scene got tacked onto the movie. Female test audience members wanted it.

    Otherwise, it's guys in a highly competitive environment.
    , @Jim Christian

    McGillis may have given off an unusual vibe, but if so, it blended well into the overall homoerotic tone of the movie.
     
    Ha! Jeff, spoken like a true homosexual. Well done.
  41. @Clifford Brown
    I had never heard of Lizzo until this post. Here is the twerking and flute playing video in question.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcVOMUrBpF4

    I was so ready to hate this and condemn it as further evidence of our societal decline blah blah blah, but this isn't really so bad. Sure our culture is in free fall collapse, but Lizzo gets a pass in my book. The performance is just plain goofy. Goofy may not be good, but it ain't evil. I'm at the stage where as long as the video does not openly support satanism, drug addiction, violence or nihilism, I'm pretty much ok with it. Lizzo's video might as well be Old Yeller by modern pop sensibilities, so twerk on my fat queen.

    Imagine the ghost of William Safire reading this article and realizing how far The Times has fallen. That's the tragedy here. This is not the silly Arts Section, this is the OPINION PAGE. We really don't have many quality newspapers left in this country and The Times, despite its many faults, is about as good as we got and it is collapsing in real time before our eyes. It's kind of depressing.

    Speaking of cultural collapse, it's hard to look at old musical clips and not think that something has been lost. And 200 pounds (give or take) have been gained.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQna4f9b4OU

    Pretty skin color. The clip inspired me to skip dinner in the interests of not looking like Lizzo. It’s cute in a high school way.

    There’s a whole accept your fat trend in women’s fashion. It’s accepting reality.

  42. @syonredux
    Tom Cruise:

    https://www.pedestrian.tv/content/uploads/2018/12/tom-cruise.jpg



    Kelly McGillis:

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article12691687.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/EMB-PAY-MEGA_Kelly_McGillis_004.jpg

    The counterpoint might be that Val Kilmer lately looks like a ghoul doing a bad impression of Val Kilmer. Except he’s still famous.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    I remember hearing he got some rare disease which caused him to bloat up and gain weight. I saw some film he did with Denzel Washington and he was clearly getting fat by then. I haven't heard anything recently about it though, don't know if was true or not.
  43. @Andy
    One reason that men age like wine and women age like milk. The desirability of women once they are past their fertility years drops like a free falling rock

    Which must be why everyone here doesn’t at all come across like a bunch of thirsty boomers who couldn’t afford the Filipino second wife.

    One of the thing that makes me like this site the most is that a lot of the contributors like Steve are happily married and comment in bemusement on these type female quirks rather than the bitter caterwauling of the comment section.

    It’s just like with Israel Steve’s opinion of women is so much healthier and balanced than the commenters.

    • Replies: @Anon
    WOW the bitterness is off the charts with this "Sam Haysom." Sorry for your lack of success with the opposite sex.
    , @L Woods
    There’s nothing like being married to motivate willful delusion, apparently. The divorce comes as a total shock. Heartening to see such a full throated endorsement of family values from our foremost tough guy internet winner though.
  44. @syonredux
    Tom Cruise:

    https://www.pedestrian.tv/content/uploads/2018/12/tom-cruise.jpg



    Kelly McGillis:

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article12691687.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/EMB-PAY-MEGA_Kelly_McGillis_004.jpg

    Now do Val Kilmer. Now it was dumb for this writer to make this point with McGillis who was much older than cruise. But Val Kilmer is completely bloated at this point.

    • Replies: @Oleaginous Outrager
    Val Kilmer is going to play the aircraft carrier.
    , @Steve Sailer
    I don't think I've seen Val Kilmer in much of anything since Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 15 years ago (in which he was very good, holding his own with Robert Downey Jr. on the comeback trail).
    , @Chris Mallory
    I had just Googled Kilmer to see what he looks like now. He was pretty hefty. But the most recent pictures make him look like the walking dead. He had a bout of throat cancer that drastically aged him.

    McGillis is only 5 years older than Cruise.

  45. @Drake
    The reality is that the average women is considered more attractive than the average man. As women age and begin to lose this female advantage, they learn what life has always been like for men.

    There is a saying on the left: "When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression." This is usually used to justify their anti-white bigotry, but it contains a grain of truth.

    This journalist's complaints are just female privilege and feminist narcissism.

    https://quillette.com/2019/03/12/attraction-inequality-and-the-dating-economy/

    A data scientist representing the popular dating app “Hinge” reported on the Gini coefficients he had found in his company’s abundant data, treating “likes” as the equivalent of income. He reported that heterosexual females faced a Gini coefficient of 0.324, while heterosexual males faced a much higher Gini coefficient of 0.542. So neither sex has complete equality: in both cases, there are some “wealthy” people with access to more romantic experiences and some “poor” who have access to few or none. But while the situation for women is something like an economy with some poor, some middle class, and some millionaires, the situation for men is closer to a world with a small number of super-billionaires surrounded by huge masses who possess almost nothing. According to the Hinge analyst:

    On a list of 149 countries’ Gini indices provided by the CIA World Factbook, this would place the female dating economy as 75th most unequal (average—think Western Europe) and the male dating economy as the 8th most unequal (kleptocracy, apartheid, perpetual civil war—think South Africa).

    …Another study, reported in Business Insider, found a pattern in messaging on dating apps that is consistent with these findings. Yet another study, run by OkCupid on their huge datasets, found that women rate 80 percent of men as “worse-looking than medium,” and that this 80 percent “below-average” block received replies to messages only about 30 percent of the time or less. By contrast, men rate women as worse-looking than medium only about 50 percent of the time, and this 50 percent below-average block received message replies closer to 40 percent of the time or higher.

    If these findings are to be believed, the great majority of women are only willing to communicate romantically with a small minority of men while most men are willing to communicate romantically with most women. The degree of inequality in “likes” and “matches” credibly measures the degree of inequality in attractiveness, and necessarily implies at least that degree of inequality in romantic experiences. It seems hard to avoid a basic conclusion: that the majority of women find the majority of men unattractive and not worth engaging with romantically, while the reverse is not true. Stated in another way, it seems that men collectively create a “dating economy” for women with relatively low inequality, while women collectively create a “dating economy” for men with very high inequality.
     

    This is in a nutshell, the fall of the West. As soon as we gave women equal power and opportunity they repaid us by working to replace us. Most White women find most White men not only utterly disposable, but want to actively dispose of us to prevent any unwanted attention.

    White women crave attention. But only from the top 10% of White men. Or various non White men who swagger. That’s it.

    Immavasion? All the better to drown the average White man. Anti-White? All the better to sort out the Darwinian winners from the losers. The average White woman looks at Game of Thrones and figures she’ll be the queen riding the Dragon incinerating cities and getting adulation from masses of Brown people. Or something.

    This is why, over and over and over again, any effort to limit immavasion, or anti-White sentiment, fails and fails completely. White women are something like 85% or more in favor of both, and hostile to any attempt to interfere with their rigging of the sexual and social marketplace to their liking. This is why any sane society does not allow women any significant power and equality — they will use it to replace their men and invite in swaggering foreigners who form the equivalent of Romance Novel covers.

    Kelly McGillis is old and fat. No one wants to see her. Women should be reminded at every opportunity that their usefulness to the top men has a hard limit, and is certainly over by age 35 or so.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Troll: AndrewR, Chris Mallory
    • Replies: @Milesglorious
    Well stated!
  46. @syonredux
    Like the aging gunfighter vibe....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km_L0v3C0ms

    Somebody watched Logan, I presume.

    Why is Rambo suddenly a Western? I guess the tunnels are Vietnammy.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Somebody watched Logan, I presume.
     
    Indeed. And the people who made Logan watched Shane and The Shootist

    Why is Rambo suddenly a Western?
     
    Conclusion of Rambo saw the eponymous Rambo coming home to his father's ranch in Arizona.And seeing Rambo end his career in a Western, that most American of genres, seems appropriate.It indicates that he is now truly home....
  47. Actually most older woman age better than white men and date younger men

    • Replies: @Oleaginous Outrager
    Very low effort, ducky. Too much time at BLACKED.com sapping your soul?
  48. @Clifford Brown
    I had never heard of Lizzo until this post. Here is the twerking and flute playing video in question.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcVOMUrBpF4

    I was so ready to hate this and condemn it as further evidence of our societal decline blah blah blah, but this isn't really so bad. Sure our culture is in free fall collapse, but Lizzo gets a pass in my book. The performance is just plain goofy. Goofy may not be good, but it ain't evil. I'm at the stage where as long as the video does not openly support satanism, drug addiction, violence or nihilism, I'm pretty much ok with it. Lizzo's video might as well be Old Yeller by modern pop sensibilities, so twerk on my fat queen.

    Imagine the ghost of William Safire reading this article and realizing how far The Times has fallen. That's the tragedy here. This is not the silly Arts Section, this is the OPINION PAGE. We really don't have many quality newspapers left in this country and The Times, despite its many faults, is about as good as we got and it is collapsing in real time before our eyes. It's kind of depressing.

    Speaking of cultural collapse, it's hard to look at old musical clips and not think that something has been lost. And 200 pounds (give or take) have been gained.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQna4f9b4OU

    I like the idea of performers being judged on their talent and not their looks.

    Speaking of which, I remember back in 1973 going to see “As You Like It” in Central Park. There was a chubby and not particularly attractive fellow who had a bit part that required singing a couple of Shakespeare songs. The actor wasn’t much to look at, but he had a voice that stole the show.

    We checked the program for this unknown soon-to-be Star. He had a very unusual name which the reader must guess.

    Hints:
    Fat
    Ugly
    Strange name
    Voice like an angel
    Best known movie role he gets hacked to death by a transsexual.
    Wound up selling tens of millions of records.
    Had a monster hit record with Phil Rizzuto.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Huge talent. A new musical based on one his albums is on Broadway now - got 4 stars from the FT.

    https://youtu.be/pMRl55U0eDw
    , @R.G. Camara
    Meatloaf is also, weirdly, a big Republican supporter.
    , @HammerJack

    Best known movie role he gets hacked to death by a transsexual.
     
    Hey! You say that like it's a bad thing! But seriously, Frank was a sweet transvestite, not a transsexual. Those were simpler times.
    , @Dan Hayes
    Paleo Liberal:

    Damn! As a cultural neanderthal it took me some time time to realize who you were discussing and then only after reading followup comments!

    BTW, in later appearances he seems neither ugly nor fat (anyway, certainly not obese). And thanks for introducing me to a rather interesting and important performer (and evidently a Republican to boot).
    , @peterike

    Wound up selling tens of millions of records. Had a monster hit record with Phil Rizzuto.
     
    And surprisingly, Bat Out of Hell II, released 16 years after the original, it pretty much just as good.
    , @Kyle
    Tim Curry?
  49. Anon[675] • Disclaimer says:

    Ah, a return appearance by Ms. Weiner:

    Annals of Self-Awareness: Jennifer Weiner
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/annals-of-self-awareness-jennifer-weiner/

    Jennifer Weiner, author of the New York Times oped “I Want to Burn the Frat House of America to the Ground,” is back with a New York Times lament about how emotional, loud, angry women get ignored.

    Jennifer Weiner: “I Want to Burn the Frat House of America to the Ground.”
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/jennifer-weiner-i-want-to-burn-the-frat-house-of-america-to-the-ground/

    I’m pretty low-key about violent metaphors, but I think the NYT should have blue-penciled this call for arson. Nobody remembers, but Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s UVA rape hoax story led to a leftist mob smashing the windows of a UVA fraternity on 11/20/2014. Somebody easily could have been blinded. The next level of escalation would be fire, which can kill dozens.

  50. @Clyde
    Despite all his Scientology hoodoo voodu Tom Cruise is in excellent shape so can pull this off? I guess so even this must be 30 years after Top Gun. I never saw the movie. Will they include a reprise of "Takes My Breath Away"? By Berlin.
    Kelly McGillis was never considered. Way too hefty and enjoying her retirement years.....living off residuals checks. It will be cool if she is invited to the premiers of TG2.

    Checking IMDB, McGillis was in a movie last year. She seems to have had a pretty interesting life so far – throttled back on the acting while raising her kids in the ‘90s, and opened a restaurant in Florida (her lesbian partner, after her two marriages to men, was a bartender there). She also spent a few years working with addicts in New Jersey and now teaches acting in North Carolina.

  51. @syonredux
    Tom Cruise:

    https://www.pedestrian.tv/content/uploads/2018/12/tom-cruise.jpg



    Kelly McGillis:

    https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article12691687.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/EMB-PAY-MEGA_Kelly_McGillis_004.jpg

    Not a fair comparison, she hasn’t been drinking the blood of babies for three decades.

  52. @Paleo Liberal
    I like the idea of performers being judged on their talent and not their looks.

    Speaking of which, I remember back in 1973 going to see “As You Like It” in Central Park. There was a chubby and not particularly attractive fellow who had a bit part that required singing a couple of Shakespeare songs. The actor wasn’t much to look at, but he had a voice that stole the show.

    We checked the program for this unknown soon-to-be Star. He had a very unusual name which the reader must guess.


    Hints:
    Fat
    Ugly
    Strange name
    Voice like an angel
    Best known movie role he gets hacked to death by a transsexual.
    Wound up selling tens of millions of records.
    Had a monster hit record with Phil Rizzuto.

    Huge talent. A new musical based on one his albums is on Broadway now – got 4 stars from the FT.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Dave Pinsen:

    ABSOLUTE DECADENCE IS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!
  53. Anon[675] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    New York Times
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/18/world/europe/france-waiter-killed-sandwich.html

    French Waiter Shot Dead Over Slow Sandwich Service, Witnesses Say

    PARIS — The police in France are hunting for a customer accused of fatally shooting a waiter at a restaurant near Paris because, witnesses said, he was upset over the wait for his sandwich.

    What do we know about the waiter?:

    Title: He was French

    Paragraph …

    1. A customer

    2. The customer

    3. The man

    5. The gunman

    Intermission:

    Paris’ suburbs are replete with many fast-food restaurants, and waiters often work under pressure to deliver customers’ orders quickly and efficiently. But most killings in restaurants have been tied to score-settling and feuds, the authorities said.

    In 2018, the French police recorded 845 homicides nationwide, a slight increase from 2017. France’s intentional homicide rate in 2016, the most recent year for which United Nations figures offer a comparison, was about a quarter of that in the United States.

    O.K., so nothing to worry about, fast food work is inherently dangerous, and the murder rate is not up too much.

    9. [A local reports recent disputes and people who hang around and drink alcohol]

    10. How is this relevant?:

    Amid growing competition from other global tourist destinations, France over the years has started campaigns to burnish its image, including improving its reputation for gruff dining experiences. Paris’s tourism board, for example, had begun a charm offensive by handing out thousands of pamphlets to cafes, hotels, shops and taxi ranks titled “Do You Speak Touriste?” in a bid to make travelers feel more welcome.

    Are they saying a tourist shot a rude waiter? [Spoiler: No.]

    11. Yes, nothing to worry about, just a weird random thing that happened:

    But the shooting in Noisy-Le-Grand had all the markings of a singular burst of violence. It is part of the Seine-Saint-Denis department, on the outskirts of Paris, where poor social conditions have often led to crimes and social unrest.

    But … wait a sec … “poor social conditions”? In what way? Does that have to do with loitering drunk guys?

    12, 13, 14. Wait, what?!:

    News of the killing drew angry reactions on Twitter, including from Jean Messiha, a top member of Marine Le Pen’s National Rally, who linked the shooting to “mass immigration.”

    But Sylvain Thézard, chief of staff of Noisy-Le-Grand’s mayor, pushed back at any link between the killing and immigration.

    “We are shocked by the comments on social networks that make a lot of confusion,” he said. “Crime rates are declining in our city. This murder is by no means the result of a deeper problem. It’s nothing but sad news.”

    — 30 —

    End of 15-paragraph news story. Narrative structure:

    1. We don’t know anything about this crime which is still under investigation.

    2. We know the crime is a normal, almost inevitable result of fast food.

    3. We also know the crime was an out of the blue random happening which is unrelated to anything and will never reoccur.

    4. But we don’t know anything about the crime.

    5. Misdirection: Did you know that tourists in France get pissed at rude waiters?

    6. We know that the perp isn’t a tourist, by the way, because the title says he’s French.

    7. Are you still reading? Because here’s a little forshadowing: “poor social conditions.” Put that in your Chekhov’s Gun.

    8. By the way, in a completely unrelated event, there was a dust-up on Twitter about mass immigration and three paragraphs about that ended up as the last three paragraphs in this article, but there is no connection to the article, so expect them to be removed as errata.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    Well done.
  54. hoping a new generation of girls will swallow the idea that their bodies are wrong

    This is wrong! Unless the same 8 year olds decide they should have boy bodies. That’s just fine.

    Overall with this article, in the words of the new Chinese sage, I am vomit.

  55. @Clifford Brown
    I had never heard of Lizzo until this post. Here is the twerking and flute playing video in question.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcVOMUrBpF4

    I was so ready to hate this and condemn it as further evidence of our societal decline blah blah blah, but this isn't really so bad. Sure our culture is in free fall collapse, but Lizzo gets a pass in my book. The performance is just plain goofy. Goofy may not be good, but it ain't evil. I'm at the stage where as long as the video does not openly support satanism, drug addiction, violence or nihilism, I'm pretty much ok with it. Lizzo's video might as well be Old Yeller by modern pop sensibilities, so twerk on my fat queen.

    Imagine the ghost of William Safire reading this article and realizing how far The Times has fallen. That's the tragedy here. This is not the silly Arts Section, this is the OPINION PAGE. We really don't have many quality newspapers left in this country and The Times, despite its many faults, is about as good as we got and it is collapsing in real time before our eyes. It's kind of depressing.

    Speaking of cultural collapse, it's hard to look at old musical clips and not think that something has been lost. And 200 pounds (give or take) have been gained.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQna4f9b4OU

    Tina Turner’s televised thighs
    contributed mightily to my adolescence.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    She had her own way of shaking it, with a wide, high-heeled stance, knees and crotch thrust forward, and a dress that was shredded all the way up to the Mississippi Delta.

    For those who don't know, here is Tina Turner in all her glory, imprinting on us future leg men:

    https://wearerock.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/hot-legs-3.jpg?w=700
  56. @Sam Haysom
    Now do Val Kilmer. Now it was dumb for this writer to make this point with McGillis who was much older than cruise. But Val Kilmer is completely bloated at this point.

    Val Kilmer is going to play the aircraft carrier.

    • LOL: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    You leave Dobson out of this. We'll always have the nipple suits.
    , @AnotherDad
    Best laugh i've had today. Thanks OO.
  57. @SFG
    Women live longer, so it's more that male sexual attraction drops off less precipitously. But there are still lots of old guys who vastly overestimate their attractiveness to younger women. It does fall.

    Well it’s basic evolutionary biology, isn’t it? Men can become fathers throughout their adult lives, but women become infertile in middle age.

    One of the most ludicrous falsehoods propagated by NYT opinion columnist types (dot dot dot) is that attractiveness isn’t objective. But of course it is. Health, youth and fitness in females are objectively attractive, while the power to provide security and comfort is objectively attractive in males.

    How Mr Sailer manages to read through these transparent culture-wrecking lies every day and not grind his teeth into dust, or go on some sorta rampage with his golf clubs, I’ll never know..

    • Replies: @anon

    How Mr Sailer manages to read through these transparent culture-wrecking lies every day and not grind his teeth into dust, or go on some sorta rampage with his golf clubs
     
    Steve doesn't play golf. He lives in a cupboard.
    , @Justvisiting
    The New York Times is determined to brainwash men into believing fat women are sexy.

    I wish it were true, because there are _so_ many of them these days.
    , @SFG
    No disagreement. My point was more that the commentariat was exaggerating it with phrases about wine and milk. Eventually, wine goes bad too.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    One of the most ludicrous falsehoods propagated by NYT opinion columnist types (dot dot dot) is that attractiveness isn’t objective. But of course it is. Health, youth and fitness in females are objectively attractive, while the power to provide security and comfort is objectively attractive in males.
     
    Well, that's the elephant in the room, isn't it?

    But it is all about the money, selling fashionable clothes, beauty salon services, etc. to fat women, and so on. Anytime you have a large population segment, like fat women, there is going to be a horde of marketing people trying to figure out how to sell them stuff.

    The other invisible elephant is about how these days everybody wants to have sex, but nobody wants to have children. Just yesterday the Guardian was running an article about how Jada Pinkett, the very beautiful actress wife of super-successful actor Will Smith was at one time, or maybe still, masturbating to pornography five times a day.

    Once you take having children and raising them out of the equation as the main roles of women, then they will just tend to adopt displacement activities that may be surprisingly sordid, even when they ostensibly "have it all" in terms of material success and comfort.

    It is rather similar to how dogs become fat and lazy if you don't take them out and play fetch with them every day.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    How Mr Sailer manages to read through these transparent culture-wrecking lies every day and not grind his teeth into dust, or go on some sorta rampage with his golf clubs,...
     
    That's probably what he IS doing, while our comments sit in moderation ... [/muttering]
  58. @Colin Wright
    '...Kelly McGillis, who played the astrophysicist/Top Gun instructor/girlfriend Charlie Blackwood in the original, wasn’t asked back.'

    Kelly McGillis was a bit old for the female romantic lead in the original Top Gun.

    Now?

    It was part of a theme of the movie; Cruise was searching for a mother and a father figure.

  59. @Paleo Liberal
    I like the idea of performers being judged on their talent and not their looks.

    Speaking of which, I remember back in 1973 going to see “As You Like It” in Central Park. There was a chubby and not particularly attractive fellow who had a bit part that required singing a couple of Shakespeare songs. The actor wasn’t much to look at, but he had a voice that stole the show.

    We checked the program for this unknown soon-to-be Star. He had a very unusual name which the reader must guess.


    Hints:
    Fat
    Ugly
    Strange name
    Voice like an angel
    Best known movie role he gets hacked to death by a transsexual.
    Wound up selling tens of millions of records.
    Had a monster hit record with Phil Rizzuto.

    Meatloaf is also, weirdly, a big Republican supporter.

  60. @Oleaginous Outrager
    Val Kilmer is going to play the aircraft carrier.

    You leave Dobson out of this. We’ll always have the nipple suits.

  61. At leat Tom Cruise has kept himself in shape.

  62. @Dave Pinsen
    Huge talent. A new musical based on one his albums is on Broadway now - got 4 stars from the FT.

    https://youtu.be/pMRl55U0eDw

    Dave Pinsen:

    ABSOLUTE DECADENCE IS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Dave Pinsen:

    ABSOLUTE DECADENCE IS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!
     
    Decadence implies decline, but Rocky Horror was arguably the best musical of the last half century.

    https://youtu.be/7T-qW0IPWDI

    And Richard O'Brien may be a bit of a weirdo, but he's practically a cultural conservative by today's standards.

    When Meatloaf first saw Tim Curry in drag during stage rehearsals for Rocky Horror in Hollywood, he walked out of the theater. He eventually gave it a shot. You should too.



    https://youtu.be/VFqmLvxORzQ
  63. I never liked Top Gun, and Kelly McGillis’ character was a big reason why – the likelihood of a smokin’ hot female Ph.D astrophysicist was just too much suspension of disbelief for me (I’m an engineer, I knew a lot of people in the physics department at my alma mater, and combining those two knowledge bases…nope, not happening; e.g., my lovely long-legged wife is super smart but had no interest in a STEM career).

    Now, Ms. McGillis was lovely and terrific in Peter Weir’s marvelous Witness, released in 1985, but the bloom was off the rose for me in 1988’s The Accused, where she played the lawyer for Jodie Foster’s character (in Ms. Foster’s Oscar-winning performance). Looked good but was unsympathetic and seemed to struggle in the role, and her career receded pretty quickly after that. Why would she be asked to reprise her role in the new movie, except to score intersectional points?

    (Oh, and I was totally prepared to dislike Lizzo, when I first heard about her earlier this year, but for modern pop music, I think she beats the stuffing out of, say, Taylor Swift. Really good voice. But give me the Regrettes any day!)

    • Replies: @IHTG
    Her character was based on a real person, Christine Fox, who was cute in a mousy way.
  64. @Clyde
    Despite all his Scientology hoodoo voodu Tom Cruise is in excellent shape so can pull this off? I guess so even this must be 30 years after Top Gun. I never saw the movie. Will they include a reprise of "Takes My Breath Away"? By Berlin.
    Kelly McGillis was never considered. Way too hefty and enjoying her retirement years.....living off residuals checks. It will be cool if she is invited to the premiers of TG2.

    A Weird Al parody of Take My Breath Away at this point.

  65. Tom Cruise looks far better at his age than Kelly looks at her age, because Kelly McGillis is a lazy fat pig. Jennifer Aniston, who does nothing for me, nevertheless could play that role at Kelly’s age because she exercises, doesn’t stuff her face with empty carbs, and gets very judicious plastic surgery.

    She looks as good as is possible for Jennifer Aniston to look, without looking weird, and that’s pretty good. Had McGillis kept herself up, her character could have gone into flight training, and have become a fighter pilot herself for the opening of the new movie. It would have been kind of cool having McGillis as a peer to Cruises character.

    But…

    Kelly McGillis is a big fat pig. Her face belongs on the cover of a Chinese phone book. Because her chins have chins. I don’t even know what that means, but she wouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a fighter cockpit, and couldn’t fit in one if she was. It’s not a gender oppression issue. It’s a big fat pig issue. Physical fitness talks, big fat pigs walk. Sometimes. Because they’re lazy.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  66. @Sam Haysom
    Which must be why everyone here doesn’t at all come across like a bunch of thirsty boomers who couldn’t afford the Filipino second wife.

    One of the thing that makes me like this site the most is that a lot of the contributors like Steve are happily married and comment in bemusement on these type female quirks rather than the bitter caterwauling of the comment section.

    It’s just like with Israel Steve’s opinion of women is so much healthier and balanced than the commenters.

    WOW the bitterness is off the charts with this “Sam Haysom.” Sorry for your lack of success with the opposite sex.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    Positively drowning in tall guy mid-twenties pussy. Boomer copes are the funniest.
  67. @guest
    Somebody watched Logan, I presume.

    Why is Rambo suddenly a Western? I guess the tunnels are Vietnammy.

    Somebody watched Logan, I presume.

    Indeed. And the people who made Logan watched Shane and The Shootist

    Why is Rambo suddenly a Western?

    Conclusion of Rambo saw the eponymous Rambo coming home to his father’s ranch in Arizona.And seeing Rambo end his career in a Western, that most American of genres, seems appropriate.It indicates that he is now truly home….

  68. @Sam Haysom
    Now do Val Kilmer. Now it was dumb for this writer to make this point with McGillis who was much older than cruise. But Val Kilmer is completely bloated at this point.

    I don’t think I’ve seen Val Kilmer in much of anything since Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 15 years ago (in which he was very good, holding his own with Robert Downey Jr. on the comeback trail).

    • Replies: @syonredux

    I don’t think I’ve seen Val Kilmer in much of anything since Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 15 years ago (in which he was very good, holding his own with Robert Downey Jr. on the comeback trail).
     
    To my way of thinking, his two best performances are as Doc Holliday in Tombstone and as "Gay" Perry in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trgKeCFmi3M



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15i99XcYpc8


    Sadly, the poor fellow's been battling throat cancer recently:


    https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1100736/val-kilmer-health-latest-cancer-symptoms-throat-tracheostomy
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    I talked with him on the phone a couple of times right after he finished filming Willow. Circumstances gave me the task of finding him a place to live for the summer in Boulder when he played Hamlet at the Shakespeare festival. He was doing a favor for the director, his friend. He was very relaxed and we talked at length about a lot of things. I still remember him saying he wanted a simple, private place, and, "I don't care even if I have to fix the toilet."

    The girls in the office ooh-ed and ahh-ed when I found a note on my desk that said, "Buzz, call Val Kilmer," with the number. I didn't know who he was, so they told me he was the Ice Man.

    I told him I hadn't seen the movie and didn't know who he was, and he thought that was cool. He comped me two tickets and I took my girlfriend to see his performance.

    , @guest
    Kilmer's "movie star" status probably expired somewhere around the mid-2000s. But some of his flicks, like Tombstone, Real Gejius, and Heat still play 'round the clock in cable t.v. So he has fame to beat Kelly McGillis (who hasn't done a movie anyone remembers since 1988) any day of the week.
    , @Sam Haysom
    Val Kilmer is an amazing high charisma actor. He was great in Kiss Kiss and i really liked him in spartan around that period too- but he’s ballooned up over the past ten years and has looked so bad a lot of people assume he has cancer that he isn’t treating on account of his Christian scientist beliefs.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    Val Kilmer’s acting chops have always been at least on par with Tom Cruise’s, if not better. Kilmer’s problem seems to be that he has garnered a reputation as extremely difficult to work with. Cruise’s reputation is the opposite. Everyone who has ever worked with Cruise has described him as kind, affable, and extremely professional.

    This kind of contrast might also explain why over the years Hugh Jackman has gotten a lot of roles that otherwise could have gone to Russell Crowe.
  69. @Richard S
    Well it’s basic evolutionary biology, isn’t it? Men can become fathers throughout their adult lives, but women become infertile in middle age.

    One of the most ludicrous falsehoods propagated by NYT opinion columnist types (dot dot dot) is that attractiveness isn’t objective. But of course it is. Health, youth and fitness in females are objectively attractive, while the power to provide security and comfort is objectively attractive in males.

    How Mr Sailer manages to read through these transparent culture-wrecking lies every day and not grind his teeth into dust, or go on some sorta rampage with his golf clubs, I’ll never know..

    How Mr Sailer manages to read through these transparent culture-wrecking lies every day and not grind his teeth into dust, or go on some sorta rampage with his golf clubs

    Steve doesn’t play golf. He lives in a cupboard.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    But his fightin' clubs are to hand.
  70. @Oleaginous Outrager
    Val Kilmer is going to play the aircraft carrier.

    Best laugh i’ve had today. Thanks OO.

  71. @Unladen Swallow
    Two pictures are worth a thousand words, and as far as I know Tom Skerritt isn't in the sequel, and Val Kilmer pointedly lobbied to be in it, I don't think they were planning for him to be in it originally. Regarding Kelly McGillis, came across her in a cheesy SyFy Channel movie of the week about a dozen years ago, my cousin and I were flipping channels on TV after a football game and were shocked to see how bad she looked twenty some years after Top Gun, I figured she hadn't improved since.

    In the early 1980s, William Hurt and Kathleen Turner looked like they’d dominate for the rest of the century, but they both kind of disappeared after the 1980s, while Ted Danson, who had a comic relief role in Body Heat, went on to probably a better career.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    William Hurt was good as Richard Feyman a few years ago in a movie about the Challenger investigation. But yeah, he was huge in the early '80s.

    https://youtu.be/vXGnOROO0Yw
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Kathleen Turner was smoking hot in Body Heat, but got a reputation for being "difficult". I saw her in a non-singing role at the Met this spring and it didn't look like she'd missed many meals.

    I think William Hurt just didn't have the drive to be a big star. He reminds me of Deborah Winger who just kind of dropped out after being a huge hit in An Officer and a Gentleman.
  72. @Dan Hayes
    Dave Pinsen:

    ABSOLUTE DECADENCE IS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!

    Dave Pinsen:

    ABSOLUTE DECADENCE IS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!

    Decadence implies decline, but Rocky Horror was arguably the best musical of the last half century.

    And Richard O’Brien may be a bit of a weirdo, but he’s practically a cultural conservative by today’s standards.

    When Meatloaf first saw Tim Curry in drag during stage rehearsals for Rocky Horror in Hollywood, he walked out of the theater. He eventually gave it a shot. You should too.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    What kind of advice was that, Dave? Go see it?! You mean, buy water pistols, a loaf of white bread, a pound of rice, and (hopefully not!) dress up, and go see it.

    It's a big party more than a movie, or more than that if you take it too seriously. I hope you got my reference in my last comment.
  73. This thread is a reminder to me to get serious about chucking off ten pounds. I’m an old guy and am not going to look like anything but an old guy. But 150 at least i’d again be a reasonably handsome well proportioned old guy.

    I’ve tried to fast one day a month the past year or two. But haven’t skipped a day in August yet. This is motivation to skip eating tomorrow and let the old bod do some solid fat burning.

  74. @Steve Sailer
    I don't think I've seen Val Kilmer in much of anything since Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 15 years ago (in which he was very good, holding his own with Robert Downey Jr. on the comeback trail).

    I don’t think I’ve seen Val Kilmer in much of anything since Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 15 years ago (in which he was very good, holding his own with Robert Downey Jr. on the comeback trail).

    To my way of thinking, his two best performances are as Doc Holliday in Tombstone and as “Gay” Perry in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

    Sadly, the poor fellow’s been battling throat cancer recently:

    https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1100736/val-kilmer-health-latest-cancer-symptoms-throat-tracheostomy

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Hard to top Heat.

    https://youtu.be/s3rv0BdxWfM
  75. @Steve Sailer
    I don't think I've seen Val Kilmer in much of anything since Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 15 years ago (in which he was very good, holding his own with Robert Downey Jr. on the comeback trail).

    I talked with him on the phone a couple of times right after he finished filming Willow. Circumstances gave me the task of finding him a place to live for the summer in Boulder when he played Hamlet at the Shakespeare festival. He was doing a favor for the director, his friend. He was very relaxed and we talked at length about a lot of things. I still remember him saying he wanted a simple, private place, and, “I don’t care even if I have to fix the toilet.”

    The girls in the office ooh-ed and ahh-ed when I found a note on my desk that said, “Buzz, call Val Kilmer,” with the number. I didn’t know who he was, so they told me he was the Ice Man.

    I told him I hadn’t seen the movie and didn’t know who he was, and he thought that was cool. He comped me two tickets and I took my girlfriend to see his performance.

  76. @guest
    The counterpoint might be that Val Kilmer lately looks like a ghoul doing a bad impression of Val Kilmer. Except he's still famous.

    I remember hearing he got some rare disease which caused him to bloat up and gain weight. I saw some film he did with Denzel Washington and he was clearly getting fat by then. I haven’t heard anything recently about it though, don’t know if was true or not.

  77. @cthulhu
    I never liked Top Gun, and Kelly McGillis’ character was a big reason why - the likelihood of a smokin’ hot female Ph.D astrophysicist was just too much suspension of disbelief for me (I’m an engineer, I knew a lot of people in the physics department at my alma mater, and combining those two knowledge bases...nope, not happening; e.g., my lovely long-legged wife is super smart but had no interest in a STEM career).

    Now, Ms. McGillis was lovely and terrific in Peter Weir’s marvelous Witness, released in 1985, but the bloom was off the rose for me in 1988’s The Accused, where she played the lawyer for Jodie Foster’s character (in Ms. Foster’s Oscar-winning performance). Looked good but was unsympathetic and seemed to struggle in the role, and her career receded pretty quickly after that. Why would she be asked to reprise her role in the new movie, except to score intersectional points?

    (Oh, and I was totally prepared to dislike Lizzo, when I first heard about her earlier this year, but for modern pop music, I think she beats the stuffing out of, say, Taylor Swift. Really good voice. But give me the Regrettes any day!)

    Her character was based on a real person, Christine Fox, who was cute in a mousy way.

  78. There I was, blissfully enjoying Lizzo, when the world had to intrude and remind me that it is still disgusted by normal female bodies.

    Kelly McGillis does not–anymore–have a “normal female body”. She’s ridiculously obese. Jennifer Weiner is also obese.

    The fact that a bunch of Americans are also obese does not make this “normal”. This was not normal down through the ages. It’s only happened since there’s been this incredible abundance of cheap cards … and … people stopped doing any physical work, even just walking around.

    Heck it wasn’t normal in living memory. I remember what the moms in my neighborhood looked like when i was a kid. A few were mildly overweight. Most looked like women. Today they be considered smoking hot MILFs.

    ~~~

    And here’s the core deal:

    The feminist propaganda is that it’s about “freedom for women”. Women free to do what they want and live their lives as they see fit.

    Ok. Sounds good. I’m a freedom guy. I have–pretty strong–opinions about what actually makes “a good life” and generates deep happiness. But i’m not going to strap a chastity belt around some gal–though many could definitely use it! Nor tell some gal she can’t be an astrophysicist or “learn to code”.

    But … it’s all a lie.

    Just as minoritarianism is not about freedom for minorities, but about not letting white gentiles do their own thing…

    Feminism is not about freedom for women to do what they want, but rather that men must behave as feminists want. Men aren’t allowed to just go off and behave as men. Men must not do this that or the other thing … without including women. Men must give stuff to women … regardless of whether said women are doing anything for men. And–what this is about–men must not desire the women they actually desire, but desire the women that feminists demand they desire. (Or desire women at all … for a good tranche of feminist “women”.)

    Jennifer Weiner is fat and ugly. She conned some guy, back in the day, he put a ring on it and apparently has stayed loyal. (Congrats to the happy couple.) But she’s simply too fat and ugly to be attractive to normal guys. That’s just reality. It’s biology. It’s normal. It’s healthy.

    Instead of railing against reality. Jenny should push back from the table and hit the gym. She’s not going to be 22 and “hot”, no matter what. But shed 40 lbs and she could look like a normal 50 year old woman, and in the process make her husband happier. If she had even an ounce of love for her husband, and an ounce of will power and good character, that’s what she would do.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Days of Broken Arrows
    Interesting final paragraph. It touches on something I've long thought: That women's obesity is a form of contempt for men. It's a physical manifestation of their resentment. Same goes for tattoos.

    The female body = a form of art. Obesity/tattoos = a can of spray paint.
  79. @6dust6
    The last time I saw a photo of Kelly McGillis she looked like she weighed 300 lbs. Actesses and most women, for that matter, even though it has become the norm especially for those in front of a camera, cannot remain anorexic forever.

    Kelly McGillis looked athletic, not anorexic, in her prime. I would have expected her to be a very attractive older woman. However, if the picture just above is really her, she’s unusually unattractive. Jennifer Weiner can’t seriously think she should have gotten the part, can she?

  80. @Steve Sailer
    In the early 1980s, William Hurt and Kathleen Turner looked like they'd dominate for the rest of the century, but they both kind of disappeared after the 1980s, while Ted Danson, who had a comic relief role in Body Heat, went on to probably a better career.

    William Hurt was good as Richard Feyman a few years ago in a movie about the Challenger investigation. But yeah, he was huge in the early ’80s.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    That looks worthwhile. Feynman on that committee, and the true story of why the tragedy happened, is huge.

    Hurt was good in his heyday, and it is too bad he faded away.
    , @El Dato
    I'm dubious about that movie.

    I also never understood why Feynman would be mandated to look into the problem.

    It's not as if you would need a physicist to peer through a microscope and tell the engineers (who are way above your skill level in that domain) that they missed something.

    It was a problème entirely sociological. 100% repeat performance with Columbia.

    Basically, the warning things saying that you were damned lucky this time were re-interpreted as having still some margin for error. "It worked so far..."

    https://web.mit.edu/esd.83/www/notebook/The%20Challenger%20Launch%20Decision_1.pdf

    https://www.amazon.com/Challenger-Launch-Decision-Technology-Deviance/dp/0226851761

  81. @syonredux

    I don’t think I’ve seen Val Kilmer in much of anything since Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 15 years ago (in which he was very good, holding his own with Robert Downey Jr. on the comeback trail).
     
    To my way of thinking, his two best performances are as Doc Holliday in Tombstone and as "Gay" Perry in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trgKeCFmi3M



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15i99XcYpc8


    Sadly, the poor fellow's been battling throat cancer recently:


    https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1100736/val-kilmer-health-latest-cancer-symptoms-throat-tracheostomy

    Hard to top Heat.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Kilmer was good in The Doors.
    , @syonredux
    I'm in the minority on this, but I'm not a fan of Heat.
    , @Clyde
    Heat and Casino are the only DeNiro movies I like and I like them a lot/ Most of the others are dumb and pointless where DeNiro is playing DeNiro. Taxi Driver sucked and was stupid. I would probably like Good Fellas but have never seen this send up of pathetic low life Queens-Brooklyn gangsters. Though the laughing scene with Joe Pesci and Ray Liotta is 13 on a 10 scale.
  82. @Steve Sailer
    I don't think I've seen Val Kilmer in much of anything since Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 15 years ago (in which he was very good, holding his own with Robert Downey Jr. on the comeback trail).

    Kilmer’s “movie star” status probably expired somewhere around the mid-2000s. But some of his flicks, like Tombstone, Real Gejius, and Heat still play ’round the clock in cable t.v. So he has fame to beat Kelly McGillis (who hasn’t done a movie anyone remembers since 1988) any day of the week.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Basically, most movie stars' time expire, but Tom Cruise has a been a big star since 1983 and a huge name-above-title star since Top Gun in 1986. That puts him in the John Wayne class.
  83. anonymous[695] • Disclaimer says:

    plus-size black woman twerking in a bodysuit

    Killing some time at the train station waiting I got to see much of what must be middle America these days. What a huge number of grotesquely obese people were waddling about, barely able to walk. Some were so fat they had to use walkers. It’s not just a looks issue but a health issue. How does someone allow themselves to get so massive? Is there something in the American diet causing this? Sorry, last thing I want to see is some fatso twerk.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    How about those folks who cruise around the supermarket on the motorized shopping carts not because they have some disability, but because they have become too fat to walk? That's true decadence.
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    A morbidly obese girlfriend underwent stomach-stapling surgery, performed by a surgeon at Mountainside Hospital, Montclair, NJ, who only performed this procedure. There's so much demand that he could specialize on this one procedure? Sheesh.

    She lost and regained the weight and underwent a second "stomach sleeve" surgery. It helped, but she's still fat. The stomach is highly elastic and will stretch.
  84. There I was, blissfully enjoying Lizzo, when the world had to intrude and remind me that it is still disgusted by normal female bodies.

    Forgive me if I seem out of touch … I’ve been out of the US for a couple decades … but when did this become normal?

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
    It's not normal. Fat women find solace in the fact that some men with [email protected]#% anything. There are literally hundreds of cases a year where men have to have their dicks removed from inanimate objects. A step up from that category is screwing a tubby like this one. Women who look like this mistake a desperate man's Captain Ahabing them as validation of their 'normal' bodies.

    Kind of like the myth that black guys like heavy women. No, they don't. Black women tend to be lazy, and unless they're rich, they can't screw attractive white women, so they settle for fatties. I've said it before on this blog and I'll say it again, I've never seen an attractive white women with a black guy who wasn't rich, or, more rarely (literally a couple of times), an attractive white woman with a black guy who didn't have mental/emotional issues.
  85. @AnotherDad

    There I was, blissfully enjoying Lizzo, when the world had to intrude and remind me that it is still disgusted by normal female bodies.
     
    Kelly McGillis does not--anymore--have a "normal female body". She's ridiculously obese. Jennifer Weiner is also obese.

    The fact that a bunch of Americans are also obese does not make this "normal". This was not normal down through the ages. It's only happened since there's been this incredible abundance of cheap cards ... and ... people stopped doing any physical work, even just walking around.

    Heck it wasn't normal in living memory. I remember what the moms in my neighborhood looked like when i was a kid. A few were mildly overweight. Most looked like women. Today they be considered smoking hot MILFs.

    ~~~

    And here's the core deal:

    The feminist propaganda is that it's about "freedom for women". Women free to do what they want and live their lives as they see fit.

    Ok. Sounds good. I'm a freedom guy. I have--pretty strong--opinions about what actually makes "a good life" and generates deep happiness. But i'm not going to strap a chastity belt around some gal--though many could definitely use it! Nor tell some gal she can't be an astrophysicist or "learn to code".

    But ... it's all a lie.

    Just as minoritarianism is not about freedom for minorities, but about not letting white gentiles do their own thing...

    Feminism is not about freedom for women to do what they want, but rather that men must behave as feminists want. Men aren't allowed to just go off and behave as men. Men must not do this that or the other thing ... without including women. Men must give stuff to women ... regardless of whether said women are doing anything for men. And--what this is about--men must not desire the women they actually desire, but desire the women that feminists demand they desire. (Or desire women at all ... for a good tranche of feminist "women".)


    Jennifer Weiner is fat and ugly. She conned some guy, back in the day, he put a ring on it and apparently has stayed loyal. (Congrats to the happy couple.) But she's simply too fat and ugly to be attractive to normal guys. That's just reality. It's biology. It's normal. It's healthy.

    Instead of railing against reality. Jenny should push back from the table and hit the gym. She's not going to be 22 and "hot", no matter what. But shed 40 lbs and she could look like a normal 50 year old woman, and in the process make her husband happier. If she had even an ounce of love for her husband, and an ounce of will power and good character, that's what she would do.

    Interesting final paragraph. It touches on something I’ve long thought: That women’s obesity is a form of contempt for men. It’s a physical manifestation of their resentment. Same goes for tattoos.

    The female body = a form of art. Obesity/tattoos = a can of spray paint.

    • Replies: @dimples
    Its nothing as complicated as that. It's simply an inability to stop comfort eating, plus the massive increase in the availability of junk food.
    , @Carol
    What is men's obesity then? I see a lot of it here in Montana. The massive shirttails and cargo shorts hide only so much.
    , @Forbes
    That's a good take on the current zeitgeist surrounding obesity, much less "body art," otherwise known as tattoos.

    I'm mystified by women who own 50+ pairs of shoes, hundreds of jewelry items (earrings, bracelets, rings, necklaces), with different combinations for different outfits, days of the week, occasions, daytime, nighttime, etc. , and yet get a permanent tattoo.

    The error in my thinking is expecting logic, consistency, and any future-time orientation/forward thinking/planning from women...
  86. @Tiny Duck
    Actually most older woman age better than white men and date younger men

    Very low effort, ducky. Too much time at BLACKED.com sapping your soul?

  87. @guest
    Kilmer's "movie star" status probably expired somewhere around the mid-2000s. But some of his flicks, like Tombstone, Real Gejius, and Heat still play 'round the clock in cable t.v. So he has fame to beat Kelly McGillis (who hasn't done a movie anyone remembers since 1988) any day of the week.

    Basically, most movie stars’ time expire, but Tom Cruise has a been a big star since 1983 and a huge name-above-title star since Top Gun in 1986. That puts him in the John Wayne class.

    • Replies: @Spotted Toad
    His Mission Impossible series, especially the more recent few, have been among the very very few fun remaining popcorn movies that don’t rely heavily on CGI and are targeted at American adults. The overall stories are pretty interchangeable, but the last few have all had long sections of just incredibly well executed technical direction and continuous action. Probably a lot to do with this guy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_McQuarrie)
  88. @Paleo Liberal
    I like the idea of performers being judged on their talent and not their looks.

    Speaking of which, I remember back in 1973 going to see “As You Like It” in Central Park. There was a chubby and not particularly attractive fellow who had a bit part that required singing a couple of Shakespeare songs. The actor wasn’t much to look at, but he had a voice that stole the show.

    We checked the program for this unknown soon-to-be Star. He had a very unusual name which the reader must guess.


    Hints:
    Fat
    Ugly
    Strange name
    Voice like an angel
    Best known movie role he gets hacked to death by a transsexual.
    Wound up selling tens of millions of records.
    Had a monster hit record with Phil Rizzuto.

    Best known movie role he gets hacked to death by a transsexual.

    Hey! You say that like it’s a bad thing! But seriously, Frank was a sweet transvestite, not a transsexual. Those were simpler times.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Right, he was a transvestite from a planet named Transsexual Transylvania. And he finally gets killed by his servants for turning heterosexual humans into twinks. (Do spoilers matter for a movie this old?)

    The movie was disturbingly well done, but it was too weird by the standards of the time to qualify as propaganda. Just an artifact of another time, before the subculture became the culture. Now Brad and Janet look like the weird ones.
  89. Literally great ‘the American Life’ segment on NPR today. Even they are normal folk…they just won’t admit it.

  90. @Jeff the Donleavy Fan
    The romantic relationship in that movie between Cruise and McGillis was secondary to the homosexual love/hate relationship between Cruise and Val Kilmer. McGillis may have given off an unusual vibe, but if so, it blended well into the overall homoerotic tone of the movie.

    Who can forget Val Kilmer’s memorable “chomp”?

  91. @Paleo Liberal
    I like the idea of performers being judged on their talent and not their looks.

    Speaking of which, I remember back in 1973 going to see “As You Like It” in Central Park. There was a chubby and not particularly attractive fellow who had a bit part that required singing a couple of Shakespeare songs. The actor wasn’t much to look at, but he had a voice that stole the show.

    We checked the program for this unknown soon-to-be Star. He had a very unusual name which the reader must guess.


    Hints:
    Fat
    Ugly
    Strange name
    Voice like an angel
    Best known movie role he gets hacked to death by a transsexual.
    Wound up selling tens of millions of records.
    Had a monster hit record with Phil Rizzuto.

    Paleo Liberal:

    Damn! As a cultural neanderthal it took me some time time to realize who you were discussing and then only after reading followup comments!

    BTW, in later appearances he seems neither ugly nor fat (anyway, certainly not obese). And thanks for introducing me to a rather interesting and important performer (and evidently a Republican to boot).

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    I consider him important.

    When my wife and I were first dating, I was complaining about pretty boys who weren’t great singers cluttering up the radio. I think Michael Bolton was one of the objects of my ire. People may disagree as to his singing ability, but I wasn’t a fan. My wife immigrated to the US in 1980, so she missed the Meat Loaf phenomenon in the late 70s. Then, right after my grumbling, Meat Loaf made his Big Comeback. She and I bonded over listening to Meat Loaf on the radio.

    So in my mind, Meat Loaf was a VERY important musical figure. Huge in every possible way.
  92. @Steve Sailer
    I don't think I've seen Val Kilmer in much of anything since Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 15 years ago (in which he was very good, holding his own with Robert Downey Jr. on the comeback trail).

    Val Kilmer is an amazing high charisma actor. He was great in Kiss Kiss and i really liked him in spartan around that period too- but he’s ballooned up over the past ten years and has looked so bad a lot of people assume he has cancer that he isn’t treating on account of his Christian scientist beliefs.

  93. @Anon
    WOW the bitterness is off the charts with this "Sam Haysom." Sorry for your lack of success with the opposite sex.

    Positively drowning in tall guy mid-twenties pussy. Boomer copes are the funniest.

    • Replies: @Imper-v-ious
    Hating boomers is like horoscopes for bigoted millennial snobs. Ahh yes, you were born in the nineteen hundred and fiftieth year of our Lord, a wretched year where bad juju visited the newborn. Smite thee, the curs-ed boomer, harbinger of evil and bad time. It’s easier to hate others than it is to rationally criticise ideas.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    I was thinking about writing a clever comment about your line of thinking here, but I've got to get to the store and pick up a supply of adult diapers. I'm positively in the grasp of a EuroMILF pussy and I don't want to shit all over myself laughing at you.
    , @Gabe Ruth
    Might want to rephrase that one.
    , @El Dato
    A victim of Kekko Kamen?

    Her finishing move, the Oppiroge Jump (おっぴろげジャンプ, "Pubic Hair Jump"), involves her leaping into the air, spreading her legs, and landing groin-first on her typically male opponent's face, which knocks him out.
     
  94. I’m a fan of Val Kilmer’s…my wife and I went and saw a screening of Citizen Twain and he personally appeared. It was shocking. He was so skinny, his voice was hoarse, and he kept wiping away spit from his mouth. We got a picture with him and the shock of seeing him from our friends and family was immense. He did not look good, however he was on the sub-reddit /Movies and used to converse a bit back and forth with fans which was pretty cool.

    I’m hoping he’s in Top Gun, but he does not look good.

  95. Jennifer Weiner:

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Thanks. There's no unseeing THAT dumpling.
    , @Anon
    Eh, she's not horrible. But she's 49, sold a lot of books, married, has two kids, and ought to be content with her accomplishments in life. Instead, with her blonde dye job and high heels (what female writer wears high heels? Only a nutcase would bother), indicate she's having one big, fat mid-life crisis. Being female, she's not out buying a sports car, but obsessing over her looks and crying into her mirror at home. She's too neurotic to ever be content.
    , @Mike_from_SGV
    Hey thanks a lot Bud, now I cannot un-see that.
    , @Joe Schmoe
    She makes herself look worse than she has to with that super tight dress 3 sizes too small. She needs to wear something reasonable that fits. Yeah, she is nuts.
  96. @propagandist hacker 2
    men age like wine; women age like milk

    men age like wine; women age like milk

    Or as Patrice O’neal (Rest in Peace) famously said “get old like bread, not like wine…”

    (minute 1:12 below)

  97. @Sam Haysom
    Positively drowning in tall guy mid-twenties pussy. Boomer copes are the funniest.

    Hating boomers is like horoscopes for bigoted millennial snobs. Ahh yes, you were born in the nineteen hundred and fiftieth year of our Lord, a wretched year where bad juju visited the newborn. Smite thee, the curs-ed boomer, harbinger of evil and bad time. It’s easier to hate others than it is to rationally criticise ideas.

    • Agree: Kyle
    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    It’s literally no different than hating someone for any of the myriad things people on here hate people for. This place is full of boomers hating groups of people and then getting upset when someone hits back. My original point stands getting worked up about this rather than bemusedly chuckling about it like Steve does is pathetic and emblematic of someone who isn’t fucking.
  98. @Days of Broken Arrows
    Interesting final paragraph. It touches on something I've long thought: That women's obesity is a form of contempt for men. It's a physical manifestation of their resentment. Same goes for tattoos.

    The female body = a form of art. Obesity/tattoos = a can of spray paint.

    Its nothing as complicated as that. It’s simply an inability to stop comfort eating, plus the massive increase in the availability of junk food.

  99. @Anon7
    I liked that movie when it came out, it was a great film to see in theaters, but whoever cast Kelly McGillis in that role must have been out of his or her mind. At 5’10” she towered over Tom Cruise, and no one was shocked when she came out as a lesbian. Age did not improve her.

    I say, bring her back and put her in the movie. Let her appearance speak for itself. Make her the romantic lead, let Tom Cruise fight for her hand. At some point, unlimited female privilege will collapse under its own weight. Won’t it?

    It won’t matter a hill of beans to me. I wouldn’t see it. I’m not gonna see it the way it is now. Why in the hell would I want to watch a remake of a mid-80’s movie about training for flying dogfights and the suspense in naval aviation in the Cold War era? The Cold War is long over, and they’re not even featuring the newest fighters, per a guy above.

    WTF? Is Hollywood completely out of any ideas besides PC versions of comic books?

    • Replies: @Clyde

    WTF? Is Hollywood completely out of any ideas besides PC versions of comic books?
     
    go see -- "13 Hours the secret soldiers of Benghazi" Yikes it seems that it is on some torr_ent sites.
    , @Jim Christian

    The Cold War is long over, and they’re not even featuring the newest fighters, per a guy above.
     
    Achmed, I'm not so sure you're seeing the whole Cold War picture, I hope you're right, but the Deep State has other ideas about the Cold War.

    As for the 'newest fighters? The Top Gun franchise is Navy. Newest for the Navy means the F-35. That plane's forte isn't canyon-carving, doesn't much need a tailhook and likely would be Not Mission Capable when the producers needed the planes for their stunts and filming. All that makes the newest Navy fighter completely inappropriate, heh. Cruise is lucky the F-18s are still available. There was no way they were going to put him into the equivalent of a bent-shit can of a helicopter with wings. It's the wheel chair of Naval Aviation and I doubt the Navy would even permit the showing of a fighter that is a distinct step backward from even the F-14 Tomcat (let alone the F/A 18) used in the original. Those of course, are all in the bone yards as are my beloved A6E Intruders.
    http://www.seaforces.org/usnair/VA/Attack-Squadron-35-Dateien/image137.jpg
  100. @Steve Sailer
    I don't think I've seen Val Kilmer in much of anything since Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 15 years ago (in which he was very good, holding his own with Robert Downey Jr. on the comeback trail).

    Val Kilmer’s acting chops have always been at least on par with Tom Cruise’s, if not better. Kilmer’s problem seems to be that he has garnered a reputation as extremely difficult to work with. Cruise’s reputation is the opposite. Everyone who has ever worked with Cruise has described him as kind, affable, and extremely professional.

    This kind of contrast might also explain why over the years Hugh Jackman has gotten a lot of roles that otherwise could have gone to Russell Crowe.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Hugh Jackman has gotten a lot of roles that otherwise could have gone to Russell Crowe.

    Russell Crowe is another one who's gotten fat. I saw "The Good Guys" and he looked like John Goodman's fraternal twin.
    , @guest
    Kilmer is easily the superior actor, plus he can sing and dance. But Cruise has "it." He's a perennial star, for reasons I can neither explain nor comprehend.
  101. @Dave Pinsen

    Dave Pinsen:

    ABSOLUTE DECADENCE IS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL!
     
    Decadence implies decline, but Rocky Horror was arguably the best musical of the last half century.

    https://youtu.be/7T-qW0IPWDI

    And Richard O'Brien may be a bit of a weirdo, but he's practically a cultural conservative by today's standards.

    When Meatloaf first saw Tim Curry in drag during stage rehearsals for Rocky Horror in Hollywood, he walked out of the theater. He eventually gave it a shot. You should too.



    https://youtu.be/VFqmLvxORzQ

    What kind of advice was that, Dave? Go see it?! You mean, buy water pistols, a loaf of white bread, a pound of rice, and (hopefully not!) dress up, and go see it.

    It’s a big party more than a movie, or more than that if you take it too seriously. I hope you got my reference in my last comment.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    No, I meant he should watch it at home.
  102. @The Alarmist

    There I was, blissfully enjoying Lizzo, when the world had to intrude and remind me that it is still disgusted by normal female bodies.
     
    Forgive me if I seem out of touch ... I've been out of the US for a couple decades ... but when did this become normal?

    https://consequenceofsound.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/lizzo-9735.jpg?quality=80

    It’s not normal. Fat women find solace in the fact that some men with [email protected]#% anything. There are literally hundreds of cases a year where men have to have their dicks removed from inanimate objects. A step up from that category is screwing a tubby like this one. Women who look like this mistake a desperate man’s Captain Ahabing them as validation of their ‘normal’ bodies.

    Kind of like the myth that black guys like heavy women. No, they don’t. Black women tend to be lazy, and unless they’re rich, they can’t screw attractive white women, so they settle for fatties. I’ve said it before on this blog and I’ll say it again, I’ve never seen an attractive white women with a black guy who wasn’t rich, or, more rarely (literally a couple of times), an attractive white woman with a black guy who didn’t have mental/emotional issues.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    A friend's mentally-disabled niece was knocked up three times by a Black fellow, producing three daughters. She finally had her tubes tied. The kids are raised by their mom's parents and the two eldest are driving them crazy with their attention deficit disorder. Attention deficit disorder or just being Black?
  103. @Enemy of Earth
    I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it here: Hollywood hasn't had an original idea for decades. This is why they continue to drop pathetic sequels and remakes which are vastly inferior to the original. Hollywood passes off emaciated girls who look like little boys as the standard of beauty. Hollywood celebrates the profane and perverse and ridicules morality. Hollywood is morally, spiritually, artistically, and ethically bankrupt.

    Even patronizing the occasional worthwhile Hollywood film is feeding the same beast.

    Boycott.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    You don't have to boycott if they're not producing anything worthwhile. I think I've been in a theatre twice this century. Seen a few more at home on cable.
  104. @Richard S
    Well it’s basic evolutionary biology, isn’t it? Men can become fathers throughout their adult lives, but women become infertile in middle age.

    One of the most ludicrous falsehoods propagated by NYT opinion columnist types (dot dot dot) is that attractiveness isn’t objective. But of course it is. Health, youth and fitness in females are objectively attractive, while the power to provide security and comfort is objectively attractive in males.

    How Mr Sailer manages to read through these transparent culture-wrecking lies every day and not grind his teeth into dust, or go on some sorta rampage with his golf clubs, I’ll never know..

    The New York Times is determined to brainwash men into believing fat women are sexy.

    I wish it were true, because there are _so_ many of them these days.

  105. @Sam Haysom
    Positively drowning in tall guy mid-twenties pussy. Boomer copes are the funniest.

    I was thinking about writing a clever comment about your line of thinking here, but I’ve got to get to the store and pick up a supply of adult diapers. I’m positively in the grasp of a EuroMILF pussy and I don’t want to shit all over myself laughing at you.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Guys, it's an Internet forum. I can claim I have a hot Asian girlfriend and two submissives I spank on weekdays and nobody can say for sure it isn't true.

    And if you did believe me, who would I be impressing (or revolting)? A bunch of guys somewhere across one of the largest nations in the world who have never met me and probably never will?

    , @William Badwhite
    You missed "Vinny" Haysom's point: "Positively drowning in tall guy mid-twenties pussy" is his favorite YouPorn category. He'll be headed there as soon as he finishes this next set of curls.
    , @J.Ross
    Haysom manages to be worse than Corvinus or Tiny, since they are at least talking about the topic.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Are you sure she's not a GGMILF, Buzz?
  106. @L Woods
    This thread is worthless without pics.

    Actually it is easy to see why Jennifer Weiner is obsessed by Top Gun. She herself is clearly built for speed with a wind-baffling fuselage and outsize stabilisers.

    https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a20857925/jennifer-weiner-runs-for-how-it-makes-her-feel/

    • Replies: @simple_pseudonymic_handle
    That is pretty hilarious but I think the equally masochist inquiry was what Kelly McGillis looks like today.

    Wiener looks less ghastly but nobody is ever going to accuse me of resembling Tom Cruise so I feel kind of like a lickspittle hypocrite mocking her appearance.
    , @Kylie
    "Actually it is easy to see why Jennifer Weiner is obsessed by Top Gun."

    By that logic, she should be over the moon for Titanic and Moby Dick.
  107. @Richard S
    Well it’s basic evolutionary biology, isn’t it? Men can become fathers throughout their adult lives, but women become infertile in middle age.

    One of the most ludicrous falsehoods propagated by NYT opinion columnist types (dot dot dot) is that attractiveness isn’t objective. But of course it is. Health, youth and fitness in females are objectively attractive, while the power to provide security and comfort is objectively attractive in males.

    How Mr Sailer manages to read through these transparent culture-wrecking lies every day and not grind his teeth into dust, or go on some sorta rampage with his golf clubs, I’ll never know..

    No disagreement. My point was more that the commentariat was exaggerating it with phrases about wine and milk. Eventually, wine goes bad too.

    • Replies: @Richard S
    Lol no worries comrade, I know, I was just being a wee bit polemical 😉

    Anyway, the propaganda notion that old wine tastes any less acrid and unpleasant than the rest is a French merchants’ trick.

    I guess they persuaded degenerated aristos that such-and-such a vintage was particulièrement piquant, making its ownership a more highly sought after status symbol.

    Like the nouveau riche of our own era and its crass commodity fetishism.

    To torture the metaphor; if treated correctly in a controlled environment, “milk” can indeed be induced to provide a wide range of valuable products that remain delicious for a good long while 😀

  108. @HammerJack

    Best known movie role he gets hacked to death by a transsexual.
     
    Hey! You say that like it's a bad thing! But seriously, Frank was a sweet transvestite, not a transsexual. Those were simpler times.

    Right, he was a transvestite from a planet named Transsexual Transylvania. And he finally gets killed by his servants for turning heterosexual humans into twinks. (Do spoilers matter for a movie this old?)

    The movie was disturbingly well done, but it was too weird by the standards of the time to qualify as propaganda. Just an artifact of another time, before the subculture became the culture. Now Brad and Janet look like the weird ones.

  109. @Buzz Mohawk
    I was thinking about writing a clever comment about your line of thinking here, but I've got to get to the store and pick up a supply of adult diapers. I'm positively in the grasp of a EuroMILF pussy and I don't want to shit all over myself laughing at you.

    Guys, it’s an Internet forum. I can claim I have a hot Asian girlfriend and two submissives I spank on weekdays and nobody can say for sure it isn’t true.

    And if you did believe me, who would I be impressing (or revolting)? A bunch of guys somewhere across one of the largest nations in the world who have never met me and probably never will?

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Yeah, you're right. That was stupid.
  110. @Mr McKenna
    That's a great idea. Little infuriates them more than getting exactly what they want. Frankly I always thought she looked like his mom in the first film, but then I also thought the first film was kinda stupid so what do I know.

    Haha, Mr. McKenna, you bring up a good point. I didn’t think about it then, but now you reminded me of a scene from the old Family Ties TV show. I’ve tried to find it on youtube to no avail.

    Alex Keating and his friend went to W. Virginia to go drinking because the drinking age was lower (good times, good times!), and they had convinced a couple of young ladies at the bar that they were both fighter pilots. They were to “invade Canada in the morning.” (He wasn’t thinking too quick on his feet.) Then, Mrs. Keating, who come to think of it, was pretty young to be those 4 kids’ Mom in that show, drove down from Ohio to get them. Hilarity ensued.

    Mallory was HOT… just sayin’…

    • Replies: @Days of Broken Arrows
    Search for "Family Ties - Colonel Keaton" and you'll find most of that scene. It's considered a classic bit of comedy now and CBS itself put it on YouTube.

    The part of the episode where Alex and his mom return home and continue their argument can be found on YouTube under the header "Family Ties - It's My Life." The scene is a good example of how Michael J. Fox could make you laugh with just mannerisms. He didn't need to say anything.
    , @Autochthon
    Meredith Baxter Birney ("Mrs. Keaton") – like Kelly McGillis after her – later decided to be a homosexual. Both claim men violently attacked or abused them – although Meredith Baxter Birney probably lied about it for tactical advantages during her divorce (as nearly all females will).

    The Keatons, of course, could drive to West Virginia because they lived in Ohio, just as the Connors and Bundys lived in Illinois, the Tanners lived in Michigan, the golden girls lived in Florida, the designing women lived in Atlanta, the Taylors North Carolina, and so on.

    Nowadays, of course, almost all characters on television live in (or very near) Los Angeles, New York, or maybe San Francisco or Chicago – it's a result of the emphasis on diversity that every character and story is in the same three or four cities along the coasts with more or less the same globo-homogenised culture, you see....
  111. @Steve Sailer
    Basically, most movie stars' time expire, but Tom Cruise has a been a big star since 1983 and a huge name-above-title star since Top Gun in 1986. That puts him in the John Wayne class.

    His Mission Impossible series, especially the more recent few, have been among the very very few fun remaining popcorn movies that don’t rely heavily on CGI and are targeted at American adults. The overall stories are pretty interchangeable, but the last few have all had long sections of just incredibly well executed technical direction and continuous action. Probably a lot to do with this guy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_McQuarrie)

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @guest
    I couldn't make it through the ones directed by John Woo and Jar-Jar Abrams and had written those movies off. Then I caught the Brad Bird one and it was strangely fun. Made me fall in love with silly masked spycraft again.
    , @Altai
    Supposedly they started when Tom Cruise took an ego hit that his generous offer to play James Bond was soundly rejected. I mean, when you think of James Bond you think of short, manic high-pitched Americans right? (And even if he could play it onscreen, he'd still be Tom Cruise in interviews, the mystique would be gone) So he made his own spy films where he could sprint as much as he liked.

    Anyway, there is at least one reviewer who doesn't get Mission Impossible's success. I mean, they're not Marvel movies so how can they be popular?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9sDZcpJYWQ

    The reviewer is a well-known former libertarian who is now an SJW because it's a more respectable way for him to spew hate at the white working class, the 'obsoletes' as he calls them. You know the type, the ones who became libertarians as teenagers because they felt it was an ideology that validated that intellect would truly be the mechanism for social status in a true post-industrial meritocracy, that'll show Chad!
    , @Known Fact
    I'll stick to the meticulously plotted original TV series, thank you -- including the much needed comic relief whenever Peter Graves, Greg Morris or Peter Lupus attempt a foreign accent or any other form of "acting"
  112. @J. Farmer
    www.jenniferweiner.com

    Are her books shelved by COLOR?

    • Replies: @E e
    I think that's a current design trend. For real.
  113. @SFG
    Guys, it's an Internet forum. I can claim I have a hot Asian girlfriend and two submissives I spank on weekdays and nobody can say for sure it isn't true.

    And if you did believe me, who would I be impressing (or revolting)? A bunch of guys somewhere across one of the largest nations in the world who have never met me and probably never will?

    Yeah, you’re right. That was stupid.

  114. @Dave Pinsen
    William Hurt was good as Richard Feyman a few years ago in a movie about the Challenger investigation. But yeah, he was huge in the early '80s.

    https://youtu.be/vXGnOROO0Yw

    That looks worthwhile. Feynman on that committee, and the true story of why the tragedy happened, is huge.

    Hurt was good in his heyday, and it is too bad he faded away.

    • Replies: @guest
    Hurt is a curious case. Good looking enough to be a lead, but he excelled at playing assholes. Which some actors can pull off. He did for a decade or so with an impressive record, then sorta crapped out for a decade. Transitioned early into supporting older man roles. The sort of thing Donald Sutherland plays. Who by the way also had the villain-leading man dichotomy.

    I wonder why Hurt didn't play more outright villains, like in A History of Violence. He was good in that.
  115. @Spotted Toad
    His Mission Impossible series, especially the more recent few, have been among the very very few fun remaining popcorn movies that don’t rely heavily on CGI and are targeted at American adults. The overall stories are pretty interchangeable, but the last few have all had long sections of just incredibly well executed technical direction and continuous action. Probably a lot to do with this guy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_McQuarrie)

    I couldn’t make it through the ones directed by John Woo and Jar-Jar Abrams and had written those movies off. Then I caught the Brad Bird one and it was strangely fun. Made me fall in love with silly masked spycraft again.

  116. @Buzz Mohawk
    That looks worthwhile. Feynman on that committee, and the true story of why the tragedy happened, is huge.

    Hurt was good in his heyday, and it is too bad he faded away.

    Hurt is a curious case. Good looking enough to be a lead, but he excelled at playing assholes. Which some actors can pull off. He did for a decade or so with an impressive record, then sorta crapped out for a decade. Transitioned early into supporting older man roles. The sort of thing Donald Sutherland plays. Who by the way also had the villain-leading man dichotomy.

    I wonder why Hurt didn’t play more outright villains, like in A History of Violence. He was good in that.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    I wonder why Hurt didn’t play more outright villains, like in A History of Violence. He was good in that.
     
    Indeed


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELoSYqWBi5E
  117. @SFG
    Women live longer, so it's more that male sexual attraction drops off less precipitously. But there are still lots of old guys who vastly overestimate their attractiveness to younger women. It does fall.

    I suspect you’ll do a lot worse as a male underestimating your attractiveness than overestimating it, even at an older age and even today. The life-ending consequences that instill hereditary caution in ‘betas’ is an utterly obsolescent evolutionary own goal today.

  118. @Sam Haysom
    Which must be why everyone here doesn’t at all come across like a bunch of thirsty boomers who couldn’t afford the Filipino second wife.

    One of the thing that makes me like this site the most is that a lot of the contributors like Steve are happily married and comment in bemusement on these type female quirks rather than the bitter caterwauling of the comment section.

    It’s just like with Israel Steve’s opinion of women is so much healthier and balanced than the commenters.

    There’s nothing like being married to motivate willful delusion, apparently. The divorce comes as a total shock. Heartening to see such a full throated endorsement of family values from our foremost tough guy internet winner though.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    Take it up with Steve and Derbyshire and Pat Buchanan and all most of your paleo buddies who found lasting happiness in marriage. But be my guest to try and find it in online porn and ranting about women on-line. You sure don’t come across as a happy person maybe try something different.
  119. @syonredux
    Like the aging gunfighter vibe....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km_L0v3C0ms

    Rambo slaughtering messicans at the border. Awesome.

  120. @Paleo Liberal
    I like the idea of performers being judged on their talent and not their looks.

    Speaking of which, I remember back in 1973 going to see “As You Like It” in Central Park. There was a chubby and not particularly attractive fellow who had a bit part that required singing a couple of Shakespeare songs. The actor wasn’t much to look at, but he had a voice that stole the show.

    We checked the program for this unknown soon-to-be Star. He had a very unusual name which the reader must guess.


    Hints:
    Fat
    Ugly
    Strange name
    Voice like an angel
    Best known movie role he gets hacked to death by a transsexual.
    Wound up selling tens of millions of records.
    Had a monster hit record with Phil Rizzuto.

    Wound up selling tens of millions of records. Had a monster hit record with Phil Rizzuto.

    And surprisingly, Bat Out of Hell II, released 16 years after the original, it pretty much just as good.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    As I mentioned in another post, Bat Out is Hell II was the music my wife and I bonded over when we were first dating. She liked 80s music, I liked 79s prog Rock, but we both liked Meat Loaf.
  121. @Sam Haysom
    Positively drowning in tall guy mid-twenties pussy. Boomer copes are the funniest.

    Might want to rephrase that one.

  122. @Father O'Hara
    Didn't she bang that Seagal guy,the "actor"? That would explain a lot.

    Maybe he banged both, but you are probably thinking of Kelly LeBrock, who also aged pretty horrifically (got fat before age would have run her into the wall).

  123. @Days of Broken Arrows
    Interesting final paragraph. It touches on something I've long thought: That women's obesity is a form of contempt for men. It's a physical manifestation of their resentment. Same goes for tattoos.

    The female body = a form of art. Obesity/tattoos = a can of spray paint.

    What is men’s obesity then? I see a lot of it here in Montana. The massive shirttails and cargo shorts hide only so much.

    • Replies: @Days of Broken Arrows
    Probably the same thing, now that you mention it. It's not that hard for most people to stay in shape. Come to think of it, I definitely see this when it comes to married men. Not only do they look awful, but they make their wives endure their various health problems.
    , @Sam Haysom
    These guys aren’t as huffy puffy about that for whatever reason.
    , @AnotherDad

    What is men’s obesity then? I see a lot of it here in Montana. The massive shirttails and cargo shorts hide only so much.
     
    Male and female "attractiveness" to the other sex are not identical but complementary.

    Men are primarily attracted to appearance, signalling fertility and good genes--hence appearance.
    Women are primarily attracted to status, signalling provision and good genes--hence $$$.

    In marriage both parties are dumping other options to find complementarity that is a good deal for both. The woman is betting that the guy will prove to the provider she thought she was getting when she sized up her worth and decided he was the best she was going to get. But the guy is giving up his natural inclination toward chasing the young and fertile and binding himself to a woman who is a *depreciating* asset in the fertility/appearance department.

    So what the wife is primarily offering in the deal--sex and fertility--is already declining every year. For a wife to then go and fatten up is pretty much telling him "I don't even given a crap about maintaining any appeal to you sexually .... it's way down on my priority list." It's giving him the finger. It's again--not the same, but akin towards--the guy just saying "I don't give a crap about hustling to make a buck, i'm going to put my feet up here and drink beer."


    So while i agree that *both* women and men need to push back from the table and keep themselves as sexually appealling to their spouse as possible. It's not completely identical. The guy's primary "job" is provision, not sex and fertility. The woman's primary "job" is precisely sex and fertility.

    ~~

    That said, i'm skipping eating today and will work on shedding 10 lbs. so i'll look good on the beach this fall and make AnotherMom and all the other retired ladies tingle.

    I encourage all Americans to join me in pushing back. Less food, more sex!
  124. @Dan Hayes
    Paleo Liberal:

    Damn! As a cultural neanderthal it took me some time time to realize who you were discussing and then only after reading followup comments!

    BTW, in later appearances he seems neither ugly nor fat (anyway, certainly not obese). And thanks for introducing me to a rather interesting and important performer (and evidently a Republican to boot).

    I consider him important.

    When my wife and I were first dating, I was complaining about pretty boys who weren’t great singers cluttering up the radio. I think Michael Bolton was one of the objects of my ire. People may disagree as to his singing ability, but I wasn’t a fan. My wife immigrated to the US in 1980, so she missed the Meat Loaf phenomenon in the late 70s. Then, right after my grumbling, Meat Loaf made his Big Comeback. She and I bonded over listening to Meat Loaf on the radio.

    So in my mind, Meat Loaf was a VERY important musical figure. Huge in every possible way.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    I love your story. My wife came here in 1985, and we met in 2000, but we didn't bond over music. She is considerably younger than I and grew up loving ABBA. I can't say we share that, but her enjoyment of Guns and Roses, typical of her generation and something I encountered with younger women before, is a nice overlapping point in our matrimonial Venn diagram.
  125. @Richard S
    Well it’s basic evolutionary biology, isn’t it? Men can become fathers throughout their adult lives, but women become infertile in middle age.

    One of the most ludicrous falsehoods propagated by NYT opinion columnist types (dot dot dot) is that attractiveness isn’t objective. But of course it is. Health, youth and fitness in females are objectively attractive, while the power to provide security and comfort is objectively attractive in males.

    How Mr Sailer manages to read through these transparent culture-wrecking lies every day and not grind his teeth into dust, or go on some sorta rampage with his golf clubs, I’ll never know..

    One of the most ludicrous falsehoods propagated by NYT opinion columnist types (dot dot dot) is that attractiveness isn’t objective. But of course it is. Health, youth and fitness in females are objectively attractive, while the power to provide security and comfort is objectively attractive in males.

    Well, that’s the elephant in the room, isn’t it?

    But it is all about the money, selling fashionable clothes, beauty salon services, etc. to fat women, and so on. Anytime you have a large population segment, like fat women, there is going to be a horde of marketing people trying to figure out how to sell them stuff.

    The other invisible elephant is about how these days everybody wants to have sex, but nobody wants to have children. Just yesterday the Guardian was running an article about how Jada Pinkett, the very beautiful actress wife of super-successful actor Will Smith was at one time, or maybe still, masturbating to pornography five times a day.

    Once you take having children and raising them out of the equation as the main roles of women, then they will just tend to adopt displacement activities that may be surprisingly sordid, even when they ostensibly “have it all” in terms of material success and comfort.

    It is rather similar to how dogs become fat and lazy if you don’t take them out and play fetch with them every day.

  126. @Cagey Beast
    Apparently the finale of the Handmaid's Tale shows women escaping to Canada, where they can wear what they want. Women are so frigging incapable of thinking beyond their own bodies:

    https://twitter.com/BearsGrl80/status/1163280399784665088?s=20

    A gal can wear what she wants in Canada so long as it’s a parka or a hockey uniform. Not a Bruins jersey of course.

  127. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    The 2014 killing of Bosnian guy was covered in one of those Asian 3D news reports:

    The perps:

    The straight-haired kid is Juan C. Fabian-Lutz. Hispanic? The rightmost kid is Travis Kidd. Black. The other two … identify as black probably, but their ancestry looks pretty complex. The one on the left looks maybe like he should have had the neurologist look him over when he was born. Ages 15 to 17. They all got 18 years in the slammer, which means they will still be in their criminal peak years if paroled a little early.

    The “continue to beat after he fell to the ground” pattern should be an automatic hate crime, I think.

  128. @Steve Sailer
    In the early 1980s, William Hurt and Kathleen Turner looked like they'd dominate for the rest of the century, but they both kind of disappeared after the 1980s, while Ted Danson, who had a comic relief role in Body Heat, went on to probably a better career.

    Kathleen Turner was smoking hot in Body Heat, but got a reputation for being “difficult”. I saw her in a non-singing role at the Met this spring and it didn’t look like she’d missed many meals.

    I think William Hurt just didn’t have the drive to be a big star. He reminds me of Deborah Winger who just kind of dropped out after being a huge hit in An Officer and a Gentleman.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    IIRC, Kathleen Turner turned up with rheumatoid arthritis.
  129. @Dave Pinsen
    Hard to top Heat.

    https://youtu.be/s3rv0BdxWfM

    Kilmer was good in The Doors.

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
  130. @Spotted Toad
    His Mission Impossible series, especially the more recent few, have been among the very very few fun remaining popcorn movies that don’t rely heavily on CGI and are targeted at American adults. The overall stories are pretty interchangeable, but the last few have all had long sections of just incredibly well executed technical direction and continuous action. Probably a lot to do with this guy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_McQuarrie)

    Supposedly they started when Tom Cruise took an ego hit that his generous offer to play James Bond was soundly rejected. I mean, when you think of James Bond you think of short, manic high-pitched Americans right? (And even if he could play it onscreen, he’d still be Tom Cruise in interviews, the mystique would be gone) So he made his own spy films where he could sprint as much as he liked.

    Anyway, there is at least one reviewer who doesn’t get Mission Impossible’s success. I mean, they’re not Marvel movies so how can they be popular?

    The reviewer is a well-known former libertarian who is now an SJW because it’s a more respectable way for him to spew hate at the white working class, the ‘obsoletes’ as he calls them. You know the type, the ones who became libertarians as teenagers because they felt it was an ideology that validated that intellect would truly be the mechanism for social status in a true post-industrial meritocracy, that’ll show Chad!

    • Replies: @guest
    That fellow has a loose command of the English language.
  131. @Cagey Beast
    Apparently the finale of the Handmaid's Tale shows women escaping to Canada, where they can wear what they want. Women are so frigging incapable of thinking beyond their own bodies:

    https://twitter.com/BearsGrl80/status/1163280399784665088?s=20

    That’s hilarious. I’ve never watched “The Handmaid’s Tale,” but I understand it shows what the US would be like if it were run by the Muslims whose continued immigration progressives favor.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Exactly. It also seems to be a kind of porn (sorry, "erotica") that scratches the same itch as the Fifty Shades of Gray stuff. Bookish White ladies seem to have elaborately warped and self-contradicting passions. It would take M.C. Escher to map out what they want.
    , @Alfa158
    Most viewers probably don’t know the original novel was written over thirty years ago as an attack on White male Christian civilization. This was before the current Muslim incursions into the West got into full swing and there were hijabs and burqas on every street corner, so she was quite perceptive in using them as the model for Christians in her slanders against Western civilization.
    Back in the 60’s when most Westerners knew little about the Muslim world Frank Herbert used exotic Arabic themes in his Dune. I remember that Dune was the first time I saw the word jihad.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    In “The Handmaid’s Tale”, there is a disaster that causes everyone to become sterile, and the human race is in danger of extinction. The bad stuff in the book results from an attempt to repopulate the earth. I think we should cut them some slack.
  132. @Sam Haysom
    Now do Val Kilmer. Now it was dumb for this writer to make this point with McGillis who was much older than cruise. But Val Kilmer is completely bloated at this point.

    I had just Googled Kilmer to see what he looks like now. He was pretty hefty. But the most recent pictures make him look like the walking dead. He had a bout of throat cancer that drastically aged him.

    McGillis is only 5 years older than Cruise.

  133. @anonymous

    plus-size black woman twerking in a bodysuit
     
    Killing some time at the train station waiting I got to see much of what must be middle America these days. What a huge number of grotesquely obese people were waddling about, barely able to walk. Some were so fat they had to use walkers. It's not just a looks issue but a health issue. How does someone allow themselves to get so massive? Is there something in the American diet causing this? Sorry, last thing I want to see is some fatso twerk.

    How about those folks who cruise around the supermarket on the motorized shopping carts not because they have some disability, but because they have become too fat to walk? That’s true decadence.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    How about those folks who cruise around the supermarket on the motorized shopping carts not because they have some disability, but because they have become too fat to walk?
     
    But not being able to walk is a disability!

    I have used those carts when I had an injured foot, and they are no fun as you cannot reach many things, and the battery may run out of charge when you are at the back of the store.
    , @Chris Mallory
    How do you know if they have a disability or not? How do you know if a disability might be the cause of their weight gain? How much time have you spent with a neurological disorder that drastically limits your ability to exercise? How many times have you had massive doses of Solu-Medrol , which does cause weight gain?

    Sounds like you need to roll a few miles in someone else's wheelchair.
    , @Anon
    From Plomin's "Blueprint" from last year, the heritability of:

    -- Body weight = 70 percent (across all ages, 80 percent in adulthood)

    -- Schizophrenia = 50

    -- Autism = 70

    -- Reading disabilities = 60

    -- IQ = 50

    -- Personality = 40

    So it's not like you just tell a fat person to just push away from the table, any more than you tell an autistic to shake himself out of it or an anorectic to "just eat a fucking sandwich, you dumb bitch."

    You are what you are. It's built into your brain. There is no ghost in the machine to take over. Some of us are thin; some fat; some thin who became fat, then back to thin again, and then back to fat ...

    Environment matters, but most of environment we make ourselves. Plomin calls this the nature of nurture. Kevin Mitchell describes this self-chosen environmental as tending to "consolidate initial genetic differences."

    .
    , @Jim Don Bob
    I was talking to a guy at Harris Teeter recently who was working on these carts. He said they were designed to carry up to 250 pounds, but many of them are breaking because the people who use them are too heavy for them. Same thing has happened in hospitals; they've had to upgrade all their equipment to accommodate and support obese people.
  134. @Harry Baldwin
    That's hilarious. I've never watched "The Handmaid's Tale," but I understand it shows what the US would be like if it were run by the Muslims whose continued immigration progressives favor.

    Exactly. It also seems to be a kind of porn (sorry, “erotica”) that scratches the same itch as the Fifty Shades of Gray stuff. Bookish White ladies seem to have elaborately warped and self-contradicting passions. It would take M.C. Escher to map out what they want.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    It would take M.C. Escher to map out what they want.
     
    There is a new editions of the book What Women Want coming out. It's almost 900 pages.

    All blank.
  135. This bullshit is just a sign that the mandatory civilization-exterminating schizophrenia is already deeply-rooted. In a normal society, the reaction to some fat black woman twerking while playing a flute is to laugh, not because she’s fat, but because she’s doing something so idiotic. Meanwhile these morons pretend people are judgemental just cuz she’s fat (which is why sexual liberation should never have happened)

  136. @Harry Baldwin
    How about those folks who cruise around the supermarket on the motorized shopping carts not because they have some disability, but because they have become too fat to walk? That's true decadence.

    How about those folks who cruise around the supermarket on the motorized shopping carts not because they have some disability, but because they have become too fat to walk?

    But not being able to walk is a disability!

    I have used those carts when I had an injured foot, and they are no fun as you cannot reach many things, and the battery may run out of charge when you are at the back of the store.

  137. @Harry Baldwin
    How about those folks who cruise around the supermarket on the motorized shopping carts not because they have some disability, but because they have become too fat to walk? That's true decadence.

    How do you know if they have a disability or not? How do you know if a disability might be the cause of their weight gain? How much time have you spent with a neurological disorder that drastically limits your ability to exercise? How many times have you had massive doses of Solu-Medrol , which does cause weight gain?

    Sounds like you need to roll a few miles in someone else’s wheelchair.

  138. @Clifford Brown
    I had never heard of Lizzo until this post. Here is the twerking and flute playing video in question.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcVOMUrBpF4

    I was so ready to hate this and condemn it as further evidence of our societal decline blah blah blah, but this isn't really so bad. Sure our culture is in free fall collapse, but Lizzo gets a pass in my book. The performance is just plain goofy. Goofy may not be good, but it ain't evil. I'm at the stage where as long as the video does not openly support satanism, drug addiction, violence or nihilism, I'm pretty much ok with it. Lizzo's video might as well be Old Yeller by modern pop sensibilities, so twerk on my fat queen.

    Imagine the ghost of William Safire reading this article and realizing how far The Times has fallen. That's the tragedy here. This is not the silly Arts Section, this is the OPINION PAGE. We really don't have many quality newspapers left in this country and The Times, despite its many faults, is about as good as we got and it is collapsing in real time before our eyes. It's kind of depressing.

    Speaking of cultural collapse, it's hard to look at old musical clips and not think that something has been lost. And 200 pounds (give or take) have been gained.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQna4f9b4OU

    lizzos music is good.

    • Replies: @Kyle
    I wasn’t sure if you were being facetious so I checked out some of Lizzos songs. She’s not bad, much better that Taylor Swift or Ariana grande. Her music comes off as poppy, melodious, non threatening, and non psychotic. It sounds like something white people would like listening to. It isn’t aggressively anti authoritarian. Lizzo is 5’10”, too bad she’s 100+ lbs overweight, if not she’d be a pretty girl.
  139. @Harry Baldwin
    That's hilarious. I've never watched "The Handmaid's Tale," but I understand it shows what the US would be like if it were run by the Muslims whose continued immigration progressives favor.

    Most viewers probably don’t know the original novel was written over thirty years ago as an attack on White male Christian civilization. This was before the current Muslim incursions into the West got into full swing and there were hijabs and burqas on every street corner, so she was quite perceptive in using them as the model for Christians in her slanders against Western civilization.
    Back in the 60’s when most Westerners knew little about the Muslim world Frank Herbert used exotic Arabic themes in his Dune. I remember that Dune was the first time I saw the word jihad.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Frank Herbert did a tremendous amount of research into Arab culture for his book.

    A fellow I knew in high school, and still a friend of my brother, was a very talented illustrator. At one point this fellow, a very devout and conservative Christian, was inspired by Dune to study Arab and Islamic cultures in the hope of doing a graphic novel.

    It turns out my brother’s friend was able to find occupations that included his love for illustration and his strong Christian family values. For a while he was part of the Garfield illustration team, and now is part of The Simpsons illustration team.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Apparently Margaret Atwood was partly inspired by what she was reading about the regime brought in by the Iranian Revolution.

    About The Handmaid's Tale
    https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/h/the-handmaids-tale/about-the-handmaids-tale
    , @J.Ross
    It creates kind of an annoyance now thay we are more widely familiar with Arabs.
  140. @Jeff the Donleavy Fan
    The romantic relationship in that movie between Cruise and McGillis was secondary to the homosexual love/hate relationship between Cruise and Val Kilmer. McGillis may have given off an unusual vibe, but if so, it blended well into the overall homoerotic tone of the movie.

    And there it is, the reason homosexuality destroys the view of normal male relationships. The volleyball scene, which is supposedly so homoerotic is there for one reason, the ladies. It’s the same reason the love scene got tacked onto the movie. Female test audience members wanted it.

    Otherwise, it’s guys in a highly competitive environment.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    And there it is, the reason homosexuality destroys the view of normal male relationships. The volleyball scene, which is supposedly so homoerotic is there for one reason, the ladies. It’s the same reason the love scene got tacked onto the movie. Female test audience members wanted it.

    Otherwise, it’s guys in a highly competitive environment.
     
    I agree totally. The homoerotic themes in the movie exist only in the warped minds of people who want them to be there.
  141. @Mr McKenna
    That's a great idea. Little infuriates them more than getting exactly what they want. Frankly I always thought she looked like his mom in the first film, but then I also thought the first film was kinda stupid so what do I know.

    Not seen it in years but Kelly struck me as nice but plain with a rather too sturdy chin. Just not sexy. Now add 33 years on top of that. . .

  142. @Alfa158
    Most viewers probably don’t know the original novel was written over thirty years ago as an attack on White male Christian civilization. This was before the current Muslim incursions into the West got into full swing and there were hijabs and burqas on every street corner, so she was quite perceptive in using them as the model for Christians in her slanders against Western civilization.
    Back in the 60’s when most Westerners knew little about the Muslim world Frank Herbert used exotic Arabic themes in his Dune. I remember that Dune was the first time I saw the word jihad.

    Frank Herbert did a tremendous amount of research into Arab culture for his book.

    A fellow I knew in high school, and still a friend of my brother, was a very talented illustrator. At one point this fellow, a very devout and conservative Christian, was inspired by Dune to study Arab and Islamic cultures in the hope of doing a graphic novel.

    It turns out my brother’s friend was able to find occupations that included his love for illustration and his strong Christian family values. For a while he was part of the Garfield illustration team, and now is part of The Simpsons illustration team.

  143. @anon

    How Mr Sailer manages to read through these transparent culture-wrecking lies every day and not grind his teeth into dust, or go on some sorta rampage with his golf clubs
     
    Steve doesn't play golf. He lives in a cupboard.

    But his fightin’ clubs are to hand.

  144. Anon[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    How about those folks who cruise around the supermarket on the motorized shopping carts not because they have some disability, but because they have become too fat to walk? That's true decadence.

    From Plomin’s “Blueprint” from last year, the heritability of:

    — Body weight = 70 percent (across all ages, 80 percent in adulthood)

    — Schizophrenia = 50

    — Autism = 70

    — Reading disabilities = 60

    — IQ = 50

    — Personality = 40

    So it’s not like you just tell a fat person to just push away from the table, any more than you tell an autistic to shake himself out of it or an anorectic to “just eat a fucking sandwich, you dumb bitch.”

    You are what you are. It’s built into your brain. There is no ghost in the machine to take over. Some of us are thin; some fat; some thin who became fat, then back to thin again, and then back to fat …

    Environment matters, but most of environment we make ourselves. Plomin calls this the nature of nurture. Kevin Mitchell describes this self-chosen environmental as tending to “consolidate initial genetic differences.”

    .

    • Replies: @guest
    How did the U.S. go from a fit nation to a nation of tubbos? Random genetic mutation?
    , @Harry Baldwin
    You are what you are. It’s built into your brain. There is no ghost in the machine to take over. Some of us are thin; some fat...

    But why so many extremely fat people NOW? And why especially in this country when you don't see the same phenomenon in most of Europe?
    , @Dave Pinsen
    This guy is a walking counterpoint. Physician who lost 150lbs by cutting out carbs.

    https://twitter.com/doctortro/status/1141891677440921600?s=21
    , @Reg Cæsar

    or an anorectic
     
    Where in the world do you write from, that they still use the correct term?
    , @David Davenport
    Environment matters, but most of environment we make ourselves. Plomin calls this the nature of nurture. Kevin Mitchell describes this self-chosen environmental as tending to “consolidate initial genetic differences.”

    Jean Calvin called it predestination.
  145. @Alfa158
    Most viewers probably don’t know the original novel was written over thirty years ago as an attack on White male Christian civilization. This was before the current Muslim incursions into the West got into full swing and there were hijabs and burqas on every street corner, so she was quite perceptive in using them as the model for Christians in her slanders against Western civilization.
    Back in the 60’s when most Westerners knew little about the Muslim world Frank Herbert used exotic Arabic themes in his Dune. I remember that Dune was the first time I saw the word jihad.

    Apparently Margaret Atwood was partly inspired by what she was reading about the regime brought in by the Iranian Revolution.

    About The Handmaid’s Tale
    https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/h/the-handmaids-tale/about-the-handmaids-tale

  146. @Dave Pinsen
    Hard to top Heat.

    https://youtu.be/s3rv0BdxWfM

    I’m in the minority on this, but I’m not a fan of Heat.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    I think it was a really good movie with a really bad ending. I got a kick out of the woman that complained to Pacino about degrading herself with the nice guy. Whiskey does have a point.
  147. @guest
    Hurt is a curious case. Good looking enough to be a lead, but he excelled at playing assholes. Which some actors can pull off. He did for a decade or so with an impressive record, then sorta crapped out for a decade. Transitioned early into supporting older man roles. The sort of thing Donald Sutherland plays. Who by the way also had the villain-leading man dichotomy.

    I wonder why Hurt didn't play more outright villains, like in A History of Violence. He was good in that.

    I wonder why Hurt didn’t play more outright villains, like in A History of Violence. He was good in that.

    Indeed

  148. @Harry Baldwin
    That's hilarious. I've never watched "The Handmaid's Tale," but I understand it shows what the US would be like if it were run by the Muslims whose continued immigration progressives favor.

    In “The Handmaid’s Tale”, there is a disaster that causes everyone to become sterile, and the human race is in danger of extinction. The bad stuff in the book results from an attempt to repopulate the earth. I think we should cut them some slack.

  149. @Father O'Hara
    Didn't she bang that Seagal guy,the "actor"? That would explain a lot.

    I have it on (somewhat) good authority she also banged half of the squadron that did the flying scenes. She got passed around the O-club bar like a bowl of popcorn.

    Also, Val Kilmer was afraid to take a ride in the jet.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Kelly McGillis has had some bad experiences....

    The current hit film The Accused shocks audiences with its graphic depiction of a gang rape. The movie is based loosely on the 1983 rape of a young woman by four men in a New Bedford, Mass., bar while bystanders watched and allegedly cheered. In the film, Kelly McGillis, 31, the striking blond star of Witness and Top Gun, plays the assistant district attorney who prosecutes those who stood by. Though she was given the choice of playing the victim—a role that eventually went to Jodie Foster—McGillis declined, she says, “because I have been a victim in real life and had no need to re-create it on screen.” In 1982 McGillis was herself raped by two men.
     

    I had been at school rehearsing a play that was going to open the following night and had come home earlier than usual. I took a shower, put on a robe and was reading a letter when I heard someone at the door. I thought it was my roommate coming home, but when I looked up I saw these two guys forcing the door open. They were both black.
     

    I felt especially vulnerable because all I was wearing was a bathrobe. They had me backed up against a wall in the bedroom. One guy started looking through my things. All I had was some jewelry and about $10. He ran into the kitchen and grabbed a second knife, while the other one demanded that I get on the bed. When I refused he stuck me with his knife on my arms and chest. They called me a “white bitch” and asked if I had a bat, because they were going to beat the s— out of me just to teach me a lesson. They kept saying terrible things to me, awful racial slurs. I was arguing with them, “Please, I don’t have a bat. Leave.”

     


    While one watched, the taller one got on top of me and held the knife at my right eye. The whole time he was sexually assaulting me he was saying things that I just can’t repeat. He sodomized me and spit on me.
     
    https://people.com/archive/cover-story-memoir-of-a-brief-time-in-hell-vol-30-no-20/
  150. @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha, Mr. McKenna, you bring up a good point. I didn't think about it then, but now you reminded me of a scene from the old Family Ties TV show. I've tried to find it on youtube to no avail.

    Alex Keating and his friend went to W. Virginia to go drinking because the drinking age was lower (good times, good times!), and they had convinced a couple of young ladies at the bar that they were both fighter pilots. They were to "invade Canada in the morning." (He wasn't thinking too quick on his feet.) Then, Mrs. Keating, who come to think of it, was pretty young to be those 4 kids' Mom in that show, drove down from Ohio to get them. Hilarity ensued.

    Mallory was HOT... just sayin'...

    Search for “Family Ties – Colonel Keaton” and you’ll find most of that scene. It’s considered a classic bit of comedy now and CBS itself put it on YouTube.

    The part of the episode where Alex and his mom return home and continue their argument can be found on YouTube under the header “Family Ties – It’s My Life.” The scene is a good example of how Michael J. Fox could make you laugh with just mannerisms. He didn’t need to say anything.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Thank you very much, DoBA! I know I'd searched before to no avail:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtTnnptpZmE
  151. @L Woods
    This thread is worthless without pics.

    Pics withheld due to the human gag reflex.

  152. If you don’t know who Lizzo is, I’m sorry that you have yet to experience the pure joy of a gorgeous, unapologetically plus-size black woman twerking in a bodysuit while playing the flute. …

    H.P. Lovecraft wrote about this in his Chtulhu Mythos.

    Gibbering madness always ensues.

  153. Even as a teenager in the 1980s, I always active disliked TOP GUN, and found McGillis quite ordinary in it. But I still love her performance in WITNESS. She was good in that, and very sexually appealing as well.

  154. @William Badwhite
    I have it on (somewhat) good authority she also banged half of the squadron that did the flying scenes. She got passed around the O-club bar like a bowl of popcorn.

    Also, Val Kilmer was afraid to take a ride in the jet.

    Kelly McGillis has had some bad experiences….

    The current hit film The Accused shocks audiences with its graphic depiction of a gang rape. The movie is based loosely on the 1983 rape of a young woman by four men in a New Bedford, Mass., bar while bystanders watched and allegedly cheered. In the film, Kelly McGillis, 31, the striking blond star of Witness and Top Gun, plays the assistant district attorney who prosecutes those who stood by. Though she was given the choice of playing the victim—a role that eventually went to Jodie Foster—McGillis declined, she says, “because I have been a victim in real life and had no need to re-create it on screen.” In 1982 McGillis was herself raped by two men.

    I had been at school rehearsing a play that was going to open the following night and had come home earlier than usual. I took a shower, put on a robe and was reading a letter when I heard someone at the door. I thought it was my roommate coming home, but when I looked up I saw these two guys forcing the door open. They were both black.

    I felt especially vulnerable because all I was wearing was a bathrobe. They had me backed up against a wall in the bedroom. One guy started looking through my things. All I had was some jewelry and about $10. He ran into the kitchen and grabbed a second knife, while the other one demanded that I get on the bed. When I refused he stuck me with his knife on my arms and chest. They called me a “white bitch” and asked if I had a bat, because they were going to beat the s— out of me just to teach me a lesson. They kept saying terrible things to me, awful racial slurs. I was arguing with them, “Please, I don’t have a bat. Leave.”

    While one watched, the taller one got on top of me and held the knife at my right eye. The whole time he was sexually assaulting me he was saying things that I just can’t repeat. He sodomized me and spit on me.

    https://people.com/archive/cover-story-memoir-of-a-brief-time-in-hell-vol-30-no-20/

    • Replies: @syonredux
    More info on McGillis' rapist:

    Leroy Johnson’s first knifepoint rape was at age 13. Only two years later, he turned his knife on a young Kelly McGillis – savagely raping the then-aspiring actress and her roommate in their Upper West Side apartment.
     

    Tomorrow, Johnson will go on trial for a 1996 double rape at knifepoint in Greenwich Village that is almost a mirror of the 1982 attack on McGillis – from the push-in at the victims’ door, to the terrifying death threats, to the opportunistic attack on a roommate who happened to be home.
     
    Guy sounds like a real charmer:

    Johnson, of The Bronx, has re portedly suffered psychiatric problems his whole life.

    At age 3, his father died of a drug overdose. At about the same time, his mother developed schizophrenia, spending much of her life in psych hospitals, according to records made public during prior criminal cases.

    Yesterday, in a pretrial proceeding before Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Renee White, Assistant District Attorney Michele Bayer detailed a life of depravity and violence that started in 1979, when Johnson was only 12.

     


    * In 1979, Johnson is convicted of two knifepoint robberies.

    * In 1980, at age 13, he is convicted of raping, sodomizing and robbing a woman, and is sent to a state juvenile jail.
     

    In 1982, at age 15, he escapes, and commits the rape against McGillis and her roommate. Johnson and his accomplice first threatened McGillis’ roommate with a knife as she tried to enter her Upper West Side apartment. As the two attackers and the terrified roommate entered the apartment, McGillis tried frantically to call the police, but stopped when she was threatened at knifepoint. Johnson then raped both of them.
     

    He would be apprehended by fingerprint evidence, and sent back to juvie jail.

    * While in prison in 1993, he was convicted by the feds of threatening to kill President George Bush, and claiming that he was under orders by Libyan dictator Moammar Khadafy to drive a tank full of explosives into the White House.

    In the 1996 case, Johnson is accused of pushing his way, at knifepoint, into the victims’ Waverly Place apartment and raping both women.

     

    https://nypost.com/2006/06/06/stars-rapist-faces-96-sex-rap-case-mirrors-mcgillis-attack/
    , @Malcolm X-Lax
    The actress Fran Drescher was also raped by a couple of black guys. Kelsey Grammar's sister was raped and murdered by black guys (and it was racially motivated). But all I ever hear about is how white men rape black women.
  155. @Bill B.
    Actually it is easy to see why Jennifer Weiner is obsessed by Top Gun. She herself is clearly built for speed with a wind-baffling fuselage and outsize stabilisers.

    https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a20857925/jennifer-weiner-runs-for-how-it-makes-her-feel/

    That is pretty hilarious but I think the equally masochist inquiry was what Kelly McGillis looks like today.

    Wiener looks less ghastly but nobody is ever going to accuse me of resembling Tom Cruise so I feel kind of like a lickspittle hypocrite mocking her appearance.

  156. @syonredux
    Kelly McGillis has had some bad experiences....

    The current hit film The Accused shocks audiences with its graphic depiction of a gang rape. The movie is based loosely on the 1983 rape of a young woman by four men in a New Bedford, Mass., bar while bystanders watched and allegedly cheered. In the film, Kelly McGillis, 31, the striking blond star of Witness and Top Gun, plays the assistant district attorney who prosecutes those who stood by. Though she was given the choice of playing the victim—a role that eventually went to Jodie Foster—McGillis declined, she says, “because I have been a victim in real life and had no need to re-create it on screen.” In 1982 McGillis was herself raped by two men.
     

    I had been at school rehearsing a play that was going to open the following night and had come home earlier than usual. I took a shower, put on a robe and was reading a letter when I heard someone at the door. I thought it was my roommate coming home, but when I looked up I saw these two guys forcing the door open. They were both black.
     

    I felt especially vulnerable because all I was wearing was a bathrobe. They had me backed up against a wall in the bedroom. One guy started looking through my things. All I had was some jewelry and about $10. He ran into the kitchen and grabbed a second knife, while the other one demanded that I get on the bed. When I refused he stuck me with his knife on my arms and chest. They called me a “white bitch” and asked if I had a bat, because they were going to beat the s— out of me just to teach me a lesson. They kept saying terrible things to me, awful racial slurs. I was arguing with them, “Please, I don’t have a bat. Leave.”

     


    While one watched, the taller one got on top of me and held the knife at my right eye. The whole time he was sexually assaulting me he was saying things that I just can’t repeat. He sodomized me and spit on me.
     
    https://people.com/archive/cover-story-memoir-of-a-brief-time-in-hell-vol-30-no-20/

    More info on McGillis’ rapist:

    Leroy Johnson’s first knifepoint rape was at age 13. Only two years later, he turned his knife on a young Kelly McGillis – savagely raping the then-aspiring actress and her roommate in their Upper West Side apartment.

    Tomorrow, Johnson will go on trial for a 1996 double rape at knifepoint in Greenwich Village that is almost a mirror of the 1982 attack on McGillis – from the push-in at the victims’ door, to the terrifying death threats, to the opportunistic attack on a roommate who happened to be home.

    Guy sounds like a real charmer:

    Johnson, of The Bronx, has re portedly suffered psychiatric problems his whole life.

    At age 3, his father died of a drug overdose. At about the same time, his mother developed schizophrenia, spending much of her life in psych hospitals, according to records made public during prior criminal cases.

    Yesterday, in a pretrial proceeding before Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Renee White, Assistant District Attorney Michele Bayer detailed a life of depravity and violence that started in 1979, when Johnson was only 12.

    * In 1979, Johnson is convicted of two knifepoint robberies.

    * In 1980, at age 13, he is convicted of raping, sodomizing and robbing a woman, and is sent to a state juvenile jail.

    In 1982, at age 15, he escapes, and commits the rape against McGillis and her roommate. Johnson and his accomplice first threatened McGillis’ roommate with a knife as she tried to enter her Upper West Side apartment. As the two attackers and the terrified roommate entered the apartment, McGillis tried frantically to call the police, but stopped when she was threatened at knifepoint. Johnson then raped both of them.

    He would be apprehended by fingerprint evidence, and sent back to juvie jail.

    * While in prison in 1993, he was convicted by the feds of threatening to kill President George Bush, and claiming that he was under orders by Libyan dictator Moammar Khadafy to drive a tank full of explosives into the White House.

    In the 1996 case, Johnson is accused of pushing his way, at knifepoint, into the victims’ Waverly Place apartment and raping both women.

    https://nypost.com/2006/06/06/stars-rapist-faces-96-sex-rap-case-mirrors-mcgillis-attack/

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    What breeds breeds.
    , @AnotherDad
    Leroy Johnson's continued existence on the planet is a sign of the softness, silliness, unseriousness that has captured the West, like--but much less serious--than our open southern border or the "Mediterranean crisis".

    * In 1980, at age 13, he is convicted of raping, sodomizing and robbing a woman, and is sent to a state juvenile jail.
    In 1982, at age 15, he escapes, and commits the rape against McGillis and her roommate.
     
    The whole "juvenille justice" program of expunging everything is nonsense. Yes, adolescent brains are less disciplined. So what? They are what they are. There are kids who behave--control themselves--and ones who do not. If they are violent a-hole at 13 ... they are a violent a-hole. It's who they are. And if it's a violent a-hole who "would have turned his life around" ... who gives a shit. What's the big loss? He had his chance and blew it. Take out the trash.

    And seriously "escapes"--we are unable to successfully lock up teenagers?

    And escaped immediately does it again ... and we do nothing?

    This piece of shit should have been executed or at minimum flogged and sent to the penal colony in the Aleutians for life ... long, long ago.


    You can not run a nation a virtue signalling drama for lefty good-thinkers.
    , @Jack D
    There is a punchline to all of this.

    At his trial, one of his victims in the '96 rape testified that the rape had caused her to become anorexic. Clearly didn't have that effect on McGillis..

    At his sentencing hearing, Johnson told the judge that he now had a lovely wife and a year-old daughter and that he had changed. He accused the judge of being a racist and said that he was being railroaded, adding, "Sometimes the truth hurts."

    "That's right, sir," Justice Renee White replied. And then she sentenced him to 50 years. Badaboom.
  157. @peterike

    Wound up selling tens of millions of records. Had a monster hit record with Phil Rizzuto.
     
    And surprisingly, Bat Out of Hell II, released 16 years after the original, it pretty much just as good.

    As I mentioned in another post, Bat Out is Hell II was the music my wife and I bonded over when we were first dating. She liked 80s music, I liked 79s prog Rock, but we both liked Meat Loaf.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    My wife and I bonded, over all things, our love of the band Tool. Even though she is almost a decade younger than me, Tool is a band that seems to be equally popular among Gen-Xers and Millennials. Incidentally, Tool’s first album in nearly 13 years is being released this month, so the last time they released an album me and my wife had not even met yet.
  158. @Buzz Mohawk
    I was thinking about writing a clever comment about your line of thinking here, but I've got to get to the store and pick up a supply of adult diapers. I'm positively in the grasp of a EuroMILF pussy and I don't want to shit all over myself laughing at you.

    You missed “Vinny” Haysom’s point: “Positively drowning in tall guy mid-twenties pussy” is his favorite YouPorn category. He’ll be headed there as soon as he finishes this next set of curls.

  159. @Days of Broken Arrows
    Search for "Family Ties - Colonel Keaton" and you'll find most of that scene. It's considered a classic bit of comedy now and CBS itself put it on YouTube.

    The part of the episode where Alex and his mom return home and continue their argument can be found on YouTube under the header "Family Ties - It's My Life." The scene is a good example of how Michael J. Fox could make you laugh with just mannerisms. He didn't need to say anything.

    Thank you very much, DoBA! I know I’d searched before to no avail:

  160. I’m a little shocked to find out Jennifer Weiner wasn’t born a man. That pic. Ouch! She looks like a Weinstein, pick one. Fun Fact: Kelly McGillis was raped by a black guy named Leroy Johnson!

  161. Ms McGillis was in the Movie, “Stake Land” 2010, which I enjoyed very much. Were any of you aware that she was raped and tortured and subjected to racist taunts by African-American youths during a home invasion robbery? She admits to spiraling down the toilet of substance abuse after that incident. Of course, much the same happened to Fran Drescher and she kept her looks. But Fran didn’t turn to the bottle for comfort.

  162. @Achmed E. Newman
    What kind of advice was that, Dave? Go see it?! You mean, buy water pistols, a loaf of white bread, a pound of rice, and (hopefully not!) dress up, and go see it.

    It's a big party more than a movie, or more than that if you take it too seriously. I hope you got my reference in my last comment.

    No, I meant he should watch it at home.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Hahaaa! Watching The Rocky Horror Picture Show at home is more of an indication of gaiety than than any other movie I could think of.
  163. @Achmed E. Newman
    ASSHOLE!

    Steve, it’s OK. That’s part of the movie. You have obviously not seen The Rocky Horror Picture Show. That’s OK, but no need to moderate it. That wasn’t a blog-tourette’s episode, just what you say when you yell at the guy with the globe.

    Geeeezz, people!

  164. @Dave Pinsen
    No, I meant he should watch it at home.

    Hahaaa! Watching The Rocky Horror Picture Show at home is more of an indication of gaiety than than any other movie I could think of.

  165. @syonredux
    Kelly McGillis has had some bad experiences....

    The current hit film The Accused shocks audiences with its graphic depiction of a gang rape. The movie is based loosely on the 1983 rape of a young woman by four men in a New Bedford, Mass., bar while bystanders watched and allegedly cheered. In the film, Kelly McGillis, 31, the striking blond star of Witness and Top Gun, plays the assistant district attorney who prosecutes those who stood by. Though she was given the choice of playing the victim—a role that eventually went to Jodie Foster—McGillis declined, she says, “because I have been a victim in real life and had no need to re-create it on screen.” In 1982 McGillis was herself raped by two men.
     

    I had been at school rehearsing a play that was going to open the following night and had come home earlier than usual. I took a shower, put on a robe and was reading a letter when I heard someone at the door. I thought it was my roommate coming home, but when I looked up I saw these two guys forcing the door open. They were both black.
     

    I felt especially vulnerable because all I was wearing was a bathrobe. They had me backed up against a wall in the bedroom. One guy started looking through my things. All I had was some jewelry and about $10. He ran into the kitchen and grabbed a second knife, while the other one demanded that I get on the bed. When I refused he stuck me with his knife on my arms and chest. They called me a “white bitch” and asked if I had a bat, because they were going to beat the s— out of me just to teach me a lesson. They kept saying terrible things to me, awful racial slurs. I was arguing with them, “Please, I don’t have a bat. Leave.”

     


    While one watched, the taller one got on top of me and held the knife at my right eye. The whole time he was sexually assaulting me he was saying things that I just can’t repeat. He sodomized me and spit on me.
     
    https://people.com/archive/cover-story-memoir-of-a-brief-time-in-hell-vol-30-no-20/

    The actress Fran Drescher was also raped by a couple of black guys. Kelsey Grammar’s sister was raped and murdered by black guys (and it was racially motivated). But all I ever hear about is how white men rape black women.

  166. @Dave Pinsen
    William Hurt was good as Richard Feyman a few years ago in a movie about the Challenger investigation. But yeah, he was huge in the early '80s.

    https://youtu.be/vXGnOROO0Yw

    I’m dubious about that movie.

    I also never understood why Feynman would be mandated to look into the problem.

    It’s not as if you would need a physicist to peer through a microscope and tell the engineers (who are way above your skill level in that domain) that they missed something.

    It was a problème entirely sociological. 100% repeat performance with Columbia.

    Basically, the warning things saying that you were damned lucky this time were re-interpreted as having still some margin for error. “It worked so far…”

    https://web.mit.edu/esd.83/www/notebook/The%20Challenger%20Launch%20Decision_1.pdf

    https://www.amazon.com/Challenger-Launch-Decision-Technology-Deviance/dp/0226851761

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Because the guys on the government payroll needed an outsider to blow the whistle. The movie deals with this, IIRC.
  167. @Sam Haysom
    Positively drowning in tall guy mid-twenties pussy. Boomer copes are the funniest.

    A victim of Kekko Kamen?

    Her finishing move, the Oppiroge Jump (おっぴろげジャンプ, “Pubic Hair Jump”), involves her leaping into the air, spreading her legs, and landing groin-first on her typically male opponent’s face, which knocks him out.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Thank you for introducing me to this product of the ever-surprising Japanese imagination. Like the Power Rangers, if the Power Rangers were nude. There are movies featuring Kekko Kamen viewable on-line.
  168. @Carol
    What is men's obesity then? I see a lot of it here in Montana. The massive shirttails and cargo shorts hide only so much.

    Probably the same thing, now that you mention it. It’s not that hard for most people to stay in shape. Come to think of it, I definitely see this when it comes to married men. Not only do they look awful, but they make their wives endure their various health problems.

  169. Paleo Liberal’s law of commenting on female journalism:

    The proper response to any female journalist article is:

    “OMG! LOL!”

  170. @Bill B.
    Actually it is easy to see why Jennifer Weiner is obsessed by Top Gun. She herself is clearly built for speed with a wind-baffling fuselage and outsize stabilisers.

    https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a20857925/jennifer-weiner-runs-for-how-it-makes-her-feel/

    “Actually it is easy to see why Jennifer Weiner is obsessed by Top Gun.”

    By that logic, she should be over the moon for Titanic and Moby Dick.

    • Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    As a southern California native, when I was in the Marine Corps I just couldn't figure out why all my buddies from the midwest/southern midwest seemed so enamored of the big girls. Finally I came to the conclusion (this was years before anyone ever heard of Borat, mind you) that maybe they figured these big girls could, if properly hooked up to a plow, really tear hell out of some sod.
  171. @Achmed E. Newman
    It won't matter a hill of beans to me. I wouldn't see it. I'm not gonna see it the way it is now. Why in the hell would I want to watch a remake of a mid-80's movie about training for flying dogfights and the suspense in naval aviation in the Cold War era? The Cold War is long over, and they're not even featuring the newest fighters, per a guy above.

    WTF? Is Hollywood completely out of any ideas besides PC versions of comic books?

    WTF? Is Hollywood completely out of any ideas besides PC versions of comic books?

    go see — “13 Hours the secret soldiers of Benghazi” Yikes it seems that it is on some torr_ent sites.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Also 12 Strong and American Sniper.
  172. @Jeff the Donleavy Fan
    The romantic relationship in that movie between Cruise and McGillis was secondary to the homosexual love/hate relationship between Cruise and Val Kilmer. McGillis may have given off an unusual vibe, but if so, it blended well into the overall homoerotic tone of the movie.

    McGillis may have given off an unusual vibe, but if so, it blended well into the overall homoerotic tone of the movie.

    Ha! Jeff, spoken like a true homosexual. Well done.

    • Replies: @Jeff the Donleavy Fan
    Well ... cough, cough ... you know, I'm not speaking about my personal preferences, you understand. I'm just commenting, as, you know, a dispassionate film critic.

    But seriously, the homosexual vibe of Top Gun is not exactly a secret. Someone else already posted Tarantino's monologue on Top Gun on this website.

    For Christ's sake, two of the songs on the soundtrack were "Playing with the Boys" and "Danger Zone."
  173. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Jennifer Weiner:

    https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/jennifer-weiner-javier-sirvent.jpg?w=720&quality=85

    Thanks. There’s no unseeing THAT dumpling.

  174. @anonymous

    plus-size black woman twerking in a bodysuit
     
    Killing some time at the train station waiting I got to see much of what must be middle America these days. What a huge number of grotesquely obese people were waddling about, barely able to walk. Some were so fat they had to use walkers. It's not just a looks issue but a health issue. How does someone allow themselves to get so massive? Is there something in the American diet causing this? Sorry, last thing I want to see is some fatso twerk.

    A morbidly obese girlfriend underwent stomach-stapling surgery, performed by a surgeon at Mountainside Hospital, Montclair, NJ, who only performed this procedure. There’s so much demand that he could specialize on this one procedure? Sheesh.

    She lost and regained the weight and underwent a second “stomach sleeve” surgery. It helped, but she’s still fat. The stomach is highly elastic and will stretch.

    • Replies: @Forbes

    performed by a surgeon at Mountainside Hospital, Montclair, NJ, who only performed this procedure.
     
    Any familiarity with surgery and surgical errors would lead you to only have surgery performed by surgeons who are the gold standard in their one surgical specialty.

    For the same reason professional musicians practice on a daily basis, you want the surgeon to be intimate with the procedure and current with his knowledge and surgical skill. And since there's no rehearsal space for surgeons to stay sharp by practicing--it means they should be performing the procedure day-in-and-day-out. There's no room for errors.
  175. @Buzz Mohawk
    Tina Turner's televised thighs
    contributed mightily to my adolescence.

    She had her own way of shaking it, with a wide, high-heeled stance, knees and crotch thrust forward, and a dress that was shredded all the way up to the Mississippi Delta.

    For those who don’t know, here is Tina Turner in all her glory, imprinting on us future leg men:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    A local bar band covered "Listen to Her Heart" recently. Though having bought the original 40 years ago, I only just learned it's inspiration.

    Ike had hit up on Mrs Petty.
  176. @South Texas Guy
    It's not normal. Fat women find solace in the fact that some men with [email protected]#% anything. There are literally hundreds of cases a year where men have to have their dicks removed from inanimate objects. A step up from that category is screwing a tubby like this one. Women who look like this mistake a desperate man's Captain Ahabing them as validation of their 'normal' bodies.

    Kind of like the myth that black guys like heavy women. No, they don't. Black women tend to be lazy, and unless they're rich, they can't screw attractive white women, so they settle for fatties. I've said it before on this blog and I'll say it again, I've never seen an attractive white women with a black guy who wasn't rich, or, more rarely (literally a couple of times), an attractive white woman with a black guy who didn't have mental/emotional issues.

    A friend’s mentally-disabled niece was knocked up three times by a Black fellow, producing three daughters. She finally had her tubes tied. The kids are raised by their mom’s parents and the two eldest are driving them crazy with their attention deficit disorder. Attention deficit disorder or just being Black?

  177. @Harry Baldwin
    How about those folks who cruise around the supermarket on the motorized shopping carts not because they have some disability, but because they have become too fat to walk? That's true decadence.

    I was talking to a guy at Harris Teeter recently who was working on these carts. He said they were designed to carry up to 250 pounds, but many of them are breaking because the people who use them are too heavy for them. Same thing has happened in hospitals; they’ve had to upgrade all their equipment to accommodate and support obese people.

  178. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    The shocking thing is not that Kelly McGillis isn't making money, but that Tom Cruise is.

    (Tom Cruise, or, as Celebrity Movie Archive would refer to him, "a guy".)

    I’m a woman and I really like Tom Cruise, especially the Mission Impossible movies, oh and the one with Cameron Diaz, Night and Day. I think he looks great. Good for him. That would be awful to have him near McGillis, but then I didn’t care much for her in the original. I think he did well along side Demi Moore, I don’t care much for her voice but he would have paired better, even his ex wife.

  179. @Imper-v-ious
    Hating boomers is like horoscopes for bigoted millennial snobs. Ahh yes, you were born in the nineteen hundred and fiftieth year of our Lord, a wretched year where bad juju visited the newborn. Smite thee, the curs-ed boomer, harbinger of evil and bad time. It’s easier to hate others than it is to rationally criticise ideas.

    It’s literally no different than hating someone for any of the myriad things people on here hate people for. This place is full of boomers hating groups of people and then getting upset when someone hits back. My original point stands getting worked up about this rather than bemusedly chuckling about it like Steve does is pathetic and emblematic of someone who isn’t fucking.

  180. @Cagey Beast
    Exactly. It also seems to be a kind of porn (sorry, "erotica") that scratches the same itch as the Fifty Shades of Gray stuff. Bookish White ladies seem to have elaborately warped and self-contradicting passions. It would take M.C. Escher to map out what they want.

    It would take M.C. Escher to map out what they want.

    There is a new editions of the book What Women Want coming out. It’s almost 900 pages.

    All blank.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  181. @L Woods
    There’s nothing like being married to motivate willful delusion, apparently. The divorce comes as a total shock. Heartening to see such a full throated endorsement of family values from our foremost tough guy internet winner though.

    Take it up with Steve and Derbyshire and Pat Buchanan and all most of your paleo buddies who found lasting happiness in marriage. But be my guest to try and find it in online porn and ranting about women on-line. You sure don’t come across as a happy person maybe try something different.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Take it up with Steve and Derbyshire and Pat Buchanan and all most of your paleo buddies who found lasting happiness in marriage. But be my guest to try and find it in online porn and ranting about women on-line. You sure don’t come across as a happy person maybe try something different.
     
    He won't join a club that will have him as a member, then he blames women for his troubles. The truth is that female attraction is idiosyncratic. Like almost everything men say about women around here, you can assume the truth is the exact opposite.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090626153511.htm
  182. @syonredux
    More info on McGillis' rapist:

    Leroy Johnson’s first knifepoint rape was at age 13. Only two years later, he turned his knife on a young Kelly McGillis – savagely raping the then-aspiring actress and her roommate in their Upper West Side apartment.
     

    Tomorrow, Johnson will go on trial for a 1996 double rape at knifepoint in Greenwich Village that is almost a mirror of the 1982 attack on McGillis – from the push-in at the victims’ door, to the terrifying death threats, to the opportunistic attack on a roommate who happened to be home.
     
    Guy sounds like a real charmer:

    Johnson, of The Bronx, has re portedly suffered psychiatric problems his whole life.

    At age 3, his father died of a drug overdose. At about the same time, his mother developed schizophrenia, spending much of her life in psych hospitals, according to records made public during prior criminal cases.

    Yesterday, in a pretrial proceeding before Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Renee White, Assistant District Attorney Michele Bayer detailed a life of depravity and violence that started in 1979, when Johnson was only 12.

     


    * In 1979, Johnson is convicted of two knifepoint robberies.

    * In 1980, at age 13, he is convicted of raping, sodomizing and robbing a woman, and is sent to a state juvenile jail.
     

    In 1982, at age 15, he escapes, and commits the rape against McGillis and her roommate. Johnson and his accomplice first threatened McGillis’ roommate with a knife as she tried to enter her Upper West Side apartment. As the two attackers and the terrified roommate entered the apartment, McGillis tried frantically to call the police, but stopped when she was threatened at knifepoint. Johnson then raped both of them.
     

    He would be apprehended by fingerprint evidence, and sent back to juvie jail.

    * While in prison in 1993, he was convicted by the feds of threatening to kill President George Bush, and claiming that he was under orders by Libyan dictator Moammar Khadafy to drive a tank full of explosives into the White House.

    In the 1996 case, Johnson is accused of pushing his way, at knifepoint, into the victims’ Waverly Place apartment and raping both women.

     

    https://nypost.com/2006/06/06/stars-rapist-faces-96-sex-rap-case-mirrors-mcgillis-attack/

    What breeds breeds.

  183. @Whiskey
    This is in a nutshell, the fall of the West. As soon as we gave women equal power and opportunity they repaid us by working to replace us. Most White women find most White men not only utterly disposable, but want to actively dispose of us to prevent any unwanted attention.

    White women crave attention. But only from the top 10% of White men. Or various non White men who swagger. That's it.

    Immavasion? All the better to drown the average White man. Anti-White? All the better to sort out the Darwinian winners from the losers. The average White woman looks at Game of Thrones and figures she'll be the queen riding the Dragon incinerating cities and getting adulation from masses of Brown people. Or something.

    This is why, over and over and over again, any effort to limit immavasion, or anti-White sentiment, fails and fails completely. White women are something like 85% or more in favor of both, and hostile to any attempt to interfere with their rigging of the sexual and social marketplace to their liking. This is why any sane society does not allow women any significant power and equality -- they will use it to replace their men and invite in swaggering foreigners who form the equivalent of Romance Novel covers.

    Kelly McGillis is old and fat. No one wants to see her. Women should be reminded at every opportunity that their usefulness to the top men has a hard limit, and is certainly over by age 35 or so.

    Well stated!

  184. @Carol
    What is men's obesity then? I see a lot of it here in Montana. The massive shirttails and cargo shorts hide only so much.

    These guys aren’t as huffy puffy about that for whatever reason.

  185. @Paleo Liberal
    I consider him important.

    When my wife and I were first dating, I was complaining about pretty boys who weren’t great singers cluttering up the radio. I think Michael Bolton was one of the objects of my ire. People may disagree as to his singing ability, but I wasn’t a fan. My wife immigrated to the US in 1980, so she missed the Meat Loaf phenomenon in the late 70s. Then, right after my grumbling, Meat Loaf made his Big Comeback. She and I bonded over listening to Meat Loaf on the radio.

    So in my mind, Meat Loaf was a VERY important musical figure. Huge in every possible way.

    I love your story. My wife came here in 1985, and we met in 2000, but we didn’t bond over music. She is considerably younger than I and grew up loving ABBA. I can’t say we share that, but her enjoyment of Guns and Roses, typical of her generation and something I encountered with younger women before, is a nice overlapping point in our matrimonial Venn diagram.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Dammit. She came here in 1995. Not '85. OCD correction mandatory in this case. She was still a kid in 1985 and Ceaușescu still ran her country. I type the way Joe Biden talks. Sorry.
  186. @Buzz Mohawk
    I love your story. My wife came here in 1985, and we met in 2000, but we didn't bond over music. She is considerably younger than I and grew up loving ABBA. I can't say we share that, but her enjoyment of Guns and Roses, typical of her generation and something I encountered with younger women before, is a nice overlapping point in our matrimonial Venn diagram.

    Dammit. She came here in 1995. Not ’85. OCD correction mandatory in this case. She was still a kid in 1985 and Ceaușescu still ran her country. I type the way Joe Biden talks. Sorry.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Your wife, like mine, came from a very repressive Communist dictatorship. 1980 was when Reagan was running for president, so I can understand why they were attracted to RR’s anti- Communist ideas.

    I don’t want to mention what country because I have mentioned the name of my city, and there aren’t very many people from her country in my city. I may be getting paranoid, but in another forum the father of my kid’s classmate sent me a PM with the name of my kid, which wasn’t bad because it wasn’t political. The classmate of another kid yelled at my kid for something I posted. So I am being extra careful. It is scary I have to be as scared of being outed as an ISteve poster in liberal Madison as folks in Communist countries are. Even though I am a liberal, some of my ideas are not fashionable among liberals in the current year. It is NOT Who We Are to have the same ideas of immigration that Sanders had in 2015.
  187. They interviewed McGillis a couple of months ago in a Variety writeup on Top Gun. She said they wouldn’t want an old, fat and baggy “Call Sign Charlie” redux. She was right. I didn’t think she was all that hot, myself, average chick, back then. Look at her NOW! Lawdie!

  188. @Carol
    What is men's obesity then? I see a lot of it here in Montana. The massive shirttails and cargo shorts hide only so much.

    What is men’s obesity then? I see a lot of it here in Montana. The massive shirttails and cargo shorts hide only so much.

    Male and female “attractiveness” to the other sex are not identical but complementary.

    Men are primarily attracted to appearance, signalling fertility and good genes–hence appearance.
    Women are primarily attracted to status, signalling provision and good genes–hence $$$.

    In marriage both parties are dumping other options to find complementarity that is a good deal for both. The woman is betting that the guy will prove to the provider she thought she was getting when she sized up her worth and decided he was the best she was going to get. But the guy is giving up his natural inclination toward chasing the young and fertile and binding himself to a woman who is a *depreciating* asset in the fertility/appearance department.

    So what the wife is primarily offering in the deal–sex and fertility–is already declining every year. For a wife to then go and fatten up is pretty much telling him “I don’t even given a crap about maintaining any appeal to you sexually …. it’s way down on my priority list.” It’s giving him the finger. It’s again–not the same, but akin towards–the guy just saying “I don’t give a crap about hustling to make a buck, i’m going to put my feet up here and drink beer.”

    So while i agree that *both* women and men need to push back from the table and keep themselves as sexually appealling to their spouse as possible. It’s not completely identical. The guy’s primary “job” is provision, not sex and fertility. The woman’s primary “job” is precisely sex and fertility.

    ~~

    That said, i’m skipping eating today and will work on shedding 10 lbs. so i’ll look good on the beach this fall and make AnotherMom and all the other retired ladies tingle.

    I encourage all Americans to join me in pushing back. Less food, more sex!

    • Replies: @Rosie

    men are primarily attracted to appearance, signalling fertility and good genes–hence appearance.
    Women are primarily attracted to status, signalling provision and good genes–hence $$$.
     
    More lies. Young women want attractive young men. That's why girls have to be forced to marry men twice their age in societies where that is customary.

    There is always some just-so story for men's double standards around here.

  189. @Kylie
    "Actually it is easy to see why Jennifer Weiner is obsessed by Top Gun."

    By that logic, she should be over the moon for Titanic and Moby Dick.

    As a southern California native, when I was in the Marine Corps I just couldn’t figure out why all my buddies from the midwest/southern midwest seemed so enamored of the big girls. Finally I came to the conclusion (this was years before anyone ever heard of Borat, mind you) that maybe they figured these big girls could, if properly hooked up to a plow, really tear hell out of some sod.

    • LOL: Kylie
  190. @Paleo Liberal
    As I mentioned in another post, Bat Out is Hell II was the music my wife and I bonded over when we were first dating. She liked 80s music, I liked 79s prog Rock, but we both liked Meat Loaf.

    My wife and I bonded, over all things, our love of the band Tool. Even though she is almost a decade younger than me, Tool is a band that seems to be equally popular among Gen-Xers and Millennials. Incidentally, Tool’s first album in nearly 13 years is being released this month, so the last time they released an album me and my wife had not even met yet.

  191. @Drake
    The reality is that the average women is considered more attractive than the average man. As women age and begin to lose this female advantage, they learn what life has always been like for men.

    There is a saying on the left: "When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression." This is usually used to justify their anti-white bigotry, but it contains a grain of truth.

    This journalist's complaints are just female privilege and feminist narcissism.

    https://quillette.com/2019/03/12/attraction-inequality-and-the-dating-economy/

    A data scientist representing the popular dating app “Hinge” reported on the Gini coefficients he had found in his company’s abundant data, treating “likes” as the equivalent of income. He reported that heterosexual females faced a Gini coefficient of 0.324, while heterosexual males faced a much higher Gini coefficient of 0.542. So neither sex has complete equality: in both cases, there are some “wealthy” people with access to more romantic experiences and some “poor” who have access to few or none. But while the situation for women is something like an economy with some poor, some middle class, and some millionaires, the situation for men is closer to a world with a small number of super-billionaires surrounded by huge masses who possess almost nothing. According to the Hinge analyst:

    On a list of 149 countries’ Gini indices provided by the CIA World Factbook, this would place the female dating economy as 75th most unequal (average—think Western Europe) and the male dating economy as the 8th most unequal (kleptocracy, apartheid, perpetual civil war—think South Africa).

    …Another study, reported in Business Insider, found a pattern in messaging on dating apps that is consistent with these findings. Yet another study, run by OkCupid on their huge datasets, found that women rate 80 percent of men as “worse-looking than medium,” and that this 80 percent “below-average” block received replies to messages only about 30 percent of the time or less. By contrast, men rate women as worse-looking than medium only about 50 percent of the time, and this 50 percent below-average block received message replies closer to 40 percent of the time or higher.

    If these findings are to be believed, the great majority of women are only willing to communicate romantically with a small minority of men while most men are willing to communicate romantically with most women. The degree of inequality in “likes” and “matches” credibly measures the degree of inequality in attractiveness, and necessarily implies at least that degree of inequality in romantic experiences. It seems hard to avoid a basic conclusion: that the majority of women find the majority of men unattractive and not worth engaging with romantically, while the reverse is not true. Stated in another way, it seems that men collectively create a “dating economy” for women with relatively low inequality, while women collectively create a “dating economy” for men with very high inequality.
     

    If these findings are to be believed, the great majority of women are only willing to communicate romantically with a small minority of men while most men are willing to communicate romantically with most women.

    This is a blatant lie.

    Now, it is no news flash that men have an easier time getting sex than women. The question is: How picky are men when it comes to settling down?

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    Graphs that show who messages who only show one side of the story. They don't show who responds to who. In the article "Attraction Inequality and the Dating Economy" published 3/12/19 in Quillette, it mentions that when OkCupid looked at their datasets they found that women rate 80 percent of men below average looking and that this block of below average men only received responses from women 30 percent of the time or less. By contrast, men rate women as below average looking only 50 percent of the time and that block of below average women received responses from men 40 percent of the time or higher. Since men find more women attractive and are more willing to communicate even with the unattractive women this does indicate that men are more willing to communicate with women overall than vice versa.
  192. @AnotherDad

    What is men’s obesity then? I see a lot of it here in Montana. The massive shirttails and cargo shorts hide only so much.
     
    Male and female "attractiveness" to the other sex are not identical but complementary.

    Men are primarily attracted to appearance, signalling fertility and good genes--hence appearance.
    Women are primarily attracted to status, signalling provision and good genes--hence $$$.

    In marriage both parties are dumping other options to find complementarity that is a good deal for both. The woman is betting that the guy will prove to the provider she thought she was getting when she sized up her worth and decided he was the best she was going to get. But the guy is giving up his natural inclination toward chasing the young and fertile and binding himself to a woman who is a *depreciating* asset in the fertility/appearance department.

    So what the wife is primarily offering in the deal--sex and fertility--is already declining every year. For a wife to then go and fatten up is pretty much telling him "I don't even given a crap about maintaining any appeal to you sexually .... it's way down on my priority list." It's giving him the finger. It's again--not the same, but akin towards--the guy just saying "I don't give a crap about hustling to make a buck, i'm going to put my feet up here and drink beer."


    So while i agree that *both* women and men need to push back from the table and keep themselves as sexually appealling to their spouse as possible. It's not completely identical. The guy's primary "job" is provision, not sex and fertility. The woman's primary "job" is precisely sex and fertility.

    ~~

    That said, i'm skipping eating today and will work on shedding 10 lbs. so i'll look good on the beach this fall and make AnotherMom and all the other retired ladies tingle.

    I encourage all Americans to join me in pushing back. Less food, more sex!

    men are primarily attracted to appearance, signalling fertility and good genes–hence appearance.
    Women are primarily attracted to status, signalling provision and good genes–hence $$$.

    More lies. Young women want attractive young men. That’s why girls have to be forced to marry men twice their age in societies where that is customary.

    There is always some just-so story for men’s double standards around here.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad


    men are primarily attracted to appearance, signalling fertility and good genes–hence appearance.
    Women are primarily attracted to status, signalling provision and good genes–hence $$$.
     
    More lies. Young women want attractive young men. That’s why girls have to be forced to marry men twice their age in societies where that is customary.

    There is always some just-so story for men’s double standards around here.
     
    Rosie, why are railing against reality?

    Trying reading what i wrote. I wrote "primary". Everyone wants romantic interest from someone hot. If i looked like George Clooney, AnotherMom would have no doubt found me even more incredibly enticing. But i was pretty good looking enough, with an IQ and STEM background she thought seemed like "good dad" material even though at the time i was in grad school, had no job, etc. On the other had if AnotherMom had been obese or ten years older, i'd have had zero interest.

    Rosie just look at the very graphs you posted in the previous comment. They are entitely consistent with my point.

    Men
    -- judge women fairly accurately--a nice rounded curve with a flatish peak at the median
    -- but message them strongly correlated with attractiveness, only tailing off at the end; presumably because a lot of guys think "unobtainable".

    This is 100% in line with my point--and biology 101--that men are motivated by appearance signalling fertility and good genes.

    Women
    -- judge men appearance wise very harshly--
    -- but nonetheless message them with much less skew than the men--only slight skew to more attractive

    The harsh judging is not really in line with my point (as stated). I'd say a good part of it is just women being bitchy, maybe women's celebrity culture ("he's no George Clooney"). But i'm guessing if investigated it would be strong female hypergamy at play as well. These dudes have to go on-line?

    But women's actual behavior--the messaging--is 100% in line with my point. Women message men based much less on appearance than the men. Obviously the women are reading the bios and picking up on a bunch of other information that is important to them ... like maybe his job and career $$$?


    Rosie you can rail against biology all you want. But it's stupid.

    Women are going to want what they want--high status, big swinging dick men, good genes, lots of goodies.

    Men are going to want what they want--women who look healthy and fertile.

    Clearly this makes you mad. But it can't be any other way. If some men were not primarily attracted to women brimming with fertility, they'd waste time/effort pumping away in dry holes and the other men attracted to fertile women ... populate the future, create us.
    , @AnotherDad
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/photos/melania-trump-years-44569076/image-44854512

    Bride 34
    Groom 58
  193. @syonredux
    More info on McGillis' rapist:

    Leroy Johnson’s first knifepoint rape was at age 13. Only two years later, he turned his knife on a young Kelly McGillis – savagely raping the then-aspiring actress and her roommate in their Upper West Side apartment.
     

    Tomorrow, Johnson will go on trial for a 1996 double rape at knifepoint in Greenwich Village that is almost a mirror of the 1982 attack on McGillis – from the push-in at the victims’ door, to the terrifying death threats, to the opportunistic attack on a roommate who happened to be home.
     
    Guy sounds like a real charmer:

    Johnson, of The Bronx, has re portedly suffered psychiatric problems his whole life.

    At age 3, his father died of a drug overdose. At about the same time, his mother developed schizophrenia, spending much of her life in psych hospitals, according to records made public during prior criminal cases.

    Yesterday, in a pretrial proceeding before Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Renee White, Assistant District Attorney Michele Bayer detailed a life of depravity and violence that started in 1979, when Johnson was only 12.

     


    * In 1979, Johnson is convicted of two knifepoint robberies.

    * In 1980, at age 13, he is convicted of raping, sodomizing and robbing a woman, and is sent to a state juvenile jail.
     

    In 1982, at age 15, he escapes, and commits the rape against McGillis and her roommate. Johnson and his accomplice first threatened McGillis’ roommate with a knife as she tried to enter her Upper West Side apartment. As the two attackers and the terrified roommate entered the apartment, McGillis tried frantically to call the police, but stopped when she was threatened at knifepoint. Johnson then raped both of them.
     

    He would be apprehended by fingerprint evidence, and sent back to juvie jail.

    * While in prison in 1993, he was convicted by the feds of threatening to kill President George Bush, and claiming that he was under orders by Libyan dictator Moammar Khadafy to drive a tank full of explosives into the White House.

    In the 1996 case, Johnson is accused of pushing his way, at knifepoint, into the victims’ Waverly Place apartment and raping both women.

     

    https://nypost.com/2006/06/06/stars-rapist-faces-96-sex-rap-case-mirrors-mcgillis-attack/

    Leroy Johnson’s continued existence on the planet is a sign of the softness, silliness, unseriousness that has captured the West, like–but much less serious–than our open southern border or the “Mediterranean crisis”.

    * In 1980, at age 13, he is convicted of raping, sodomizing and robbing a woman, and is sent to a state juvenile jail.
    In 1982, at age 15, he escapes, and commits the rape against McGillis and her roommate.

    The whole “juvenille justice” program of expunging everything is nonsense. Yes, adolescent brains are less disciplined. So what? They are what they are. There are kids who behave–control themselves–and ones who do not. If they are violent a-hole at 13 … they are a violent a-hole. It’s who they are. And if it’s a violent a-hole who “would have turned his life around” … who gives a shit. What’s the big loss? He had his chance and blew it. Take out the trash.

    And seriously “escapes”–we are unable to successfully lock up teenagers?

    And escaped immediately does it again … and we do nothing?

    This piece of shit should have been executed or at minimum flogged and sent to the penal colony in the Aleutians for life … long, long ago.

    You can not run a nation a virtue signalling drama for lefty good-thinkers.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    wwebd said - Most cultures throughout history used the death penalty with almost no exceptions on rapists, murderers, and on thieves and robbers who used or threatened to use deadly weapons on unsuspecting victims.

    Today, you can walk through some neighborhoods in America and, if you know where you are, and if you understand the place where you are walking, you will likely know that almost half the people you pass on the sidewalk have a father or a brother or a son walking free who is a rapist, a murderer, or a stinking coward who once used a deadly weapon on an unsuspecting victim (or are themselves a rapist, a murderer, or a stinking coward who once used a weapon on an unsuspecting victim).

    Once you know that fact about America, you understand an awful lot that people who do not know that fact do not understand. We have been a liberal polity for half a century, and the pursuit of justice in defense of the innocent has not been our priority. May God forgive those who made that possible.

  194. @Cagey Beast
    Apparently the finale of the Handmaid's Tale shows women escaping to Canada, where they can wear what they want. Women are so frigging incapable of thinking beyond their own bodies:

    https://twitter.com/BearsGrl80/status/1163280399784665088?s=20

    Women are so frigging incapable of thinking beyond their own bodies

    Now what could possibly cause women to be so concerned about their appearance? It’s not as if men care all that much about such things, now is it?

    The irony of your comment, juxtaposed as it is with the others in this thread, is apparently lost on you.

    I certainly would not deny the power of aesthetic and erotic appeal. But are those the extent of a woman’s worth? So many of the comments both here as well as in countless other iSteve threads I’ve seen have suggested, if not stated outright, exactly that. One might ask the individuals posting such comments: Are women merely expendable creatures, to be discarded after their value in providing sexual gratification (and perhaps breeding) to men has expired?

    ~ ~ ~
    As for the saying that “men age like wine”, does it not oversimplify the reality?

    For most men beyond a certain age, do wealth and power not begin to become increasingly more likely than looks to be attractants for women?

  195. @Sam Haysom
    Take it up with Steve and Derbyshire and Pat Buchanan and all most of your paleo buddies who found lasting happiness in marriage. But be my guest to try and find it in online porn and ranting about women on-line. You sure don’t come across as a happy person maybe try something different.

    Take it up with Steve and Derbyshire and Pat Buchanan and all most of your paleo buddies who found lasting happiness in marriage. But be my guest to try and find it in online porn and ranting about women on-line. You sure don’t come across as a happy person maybe try something different.

    He won’t join a club that will have him as a member, then he blames women for his troubles. The truth is that female attraction is idiosyncratic. Like almost everything men say about women around here, you can assume the truth is the exact opposite.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090626153511.htm

  196. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Val Kilmer’s acting chops have always been at least on par with Tom Cruise’s, if not better. Kilmer’s problem seems to be that he has garnered a reputation as extremely difficult to work with. Cruise’s reputation is the opposite. Everyone who has ever worked with Cruise has described him as kind, affable, and extremely professional.

    This kind of contrast might also explain why over the years Hugh Jackman has gotten a lot of roles that otherwise could have gone to Russell Crowe.

    Hugh Jackman has gotten a lot of roles that otherwise could have gone to Russell Crowe.

    Russell Crowe is another one who’s gotten fat. I saw “The Good Guys” and he looked like John Goodman’s fraternal twin.

  197. @Rosie

    men are primarily attracted to appearance, signalling fertility and good genes–hence appearance.
    Women are primarily attracted to status, signalling provision and good genes–hence $$$.
     
    More lies. Young women want attractive young men. That's why girls have to be forced to marry men twice their age in societies where that is customary.

    There is always some just-so story for men's double standards around here.

    men are primarily attracted to appearance, signalling fertility and good genes–hence appearance.
    Women are primarily attracted to status, signalling provision and good genes–hence $$$.

    More lies. Young women want attractive young men. That’s why girls have to be forced to marry men twice their age in societies where that is customary.

    There is always some just-so story for men’s double standards around here.

    Rosie, why are railing against reality?

    Trying reading what i wrote. I wrote “primary”. Everyone wants romantic interest from someone hot. If i looked like George Clooney, AnotherMom would have no doubt found me even more incredibly enticing. But i was pretty good looking enough, with an IQ and STEM background she thought seemed like “good dad” material even though at the time i was in grad school, had no job, etc. On the other had if AnotherMom had been obese or ten years older, i’d have had zero interest.

    Rosie just look at the very graphs you posted in the previous comment. They are entitely consistent with my point.

    Men
    — judge women fairly accurately–a nice rounded curve with a flatish peak at the median
    — but message them strongly correlated with attractiveness, only tailing off at the end; presumably because a lot of guys think “unobtainable”.

    This is 100% in line with my point–and biology 101–that men are motivated by appearance signalling fertility and good genes.

    Women
    — judge men appearance wise very harshly–
    — but nonetheless message them with much less skew than the men–only slight skew to more attractive

    The harsh judging is not really in line with my point (as stated). I’d say a good part of it is just women being bitchy, maybe women’s celebrity culture (“he’s no George Clooney”). But i’m guessing if investigated it would be strong female hypergamy at play as well. These dudes have to go on-line?

    But women’s actual behavior–the messaging–is 100% in line with my point. Women message men based much less on appearance than the men. Obviously the women are reading the bios and picking up on a bunch of other information that is important to them … like maybe his job and career $$$?

    Rosie you can rail against biology all you want. But it’s stupid.

    Women are going to want what they want–high status, big swinging dick men, good genes, lots of goodies.

    Men are going to want what they want–women who look healthy and fertile.

    Clearly this makes you mad. But it can’t be any other way. If some men were not primarily attracted to women brimming with fertility, they’d waste time/effort pumping away in dry holes and the other men attracted to fertile women … populate the future, create us.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Women are going to want what they want–high status, big swinging dick men, good genes, lots of goodies.
     
    So you admit AnotherMom was interested in you even though you had nothing? Do you not think she could have hooked up with some rich old man if she wanted?

    https://youtu.be/PUy7EzqEP0I


    Bride 34
    Groom 58
     
    Melania Trump married a billionaire old fart, therefore it's ok for fatass men to demand that their wives diet for the rest of their lives.
    , @AnotherDad
    Looking at those graphs again. I have to put a hold on my comments about them to some extent.

    Looked at carefully it's not clear to me there is much of difference between men and women in messaging vs. relative attractiveness.

    It's just that women's assessments of male appearance are so ridiculously stupid that the women's graph is distorted and difficult to read next to the men's.

    It would have been good to have graphs of messaging versus relative--instead of absolute--attractiveness. I.e. what message response did a women judged at 50%tile get versus man judged at 50%tile. 25th, 75th, 5th, 95th, etc. This is pretty easy to glean from the men's graph because men judge the women very reasonably. But it's a tedious exercise to pull it from women's graph.

    ~~

    In any case, i stand by the rest of my comments. One thing with the dating site data is that appearance really .. *the* deal. On-line you get the picture and a few details. (And both can be b.s.)

    But back in the real world ... everything's in play. And while both men and women value appearance, women have a bunch of other criteria--especially for marriage--that are even more important. A stunningly cute guy who lives in his parents's basement playing video games ... does not cut it.
    , @Jim Christian
    All you have to do is look 50 years back to see the vicious decline today:

    https://i.redd.it/nk7m45nxdaky.png
  198. @Anon
    From Plomin's "Blueprint" from last year, the heritability of:

    -- Body weight = 70 percent (across all ages, 80 percent in adulthood)

    -- Schizophrenia = 50

    -- Autism = 70

    -- Reading disabilities = 60

    -- IQ = 50

    -- Personality = 40

    So it's not like you just tell a fat person to just push away from the table, any more than you tell an autistic to shake himself out of it or an anorectic to "just eat a fucking sandwich, you dumb bitch."

    You are what you are. It's built into your brain. There is no ghost in the machine to take over. Some of us are thin; some fat; some thin who became fat, then back to thin again, and then back to fat ...

    Environment matters, but most of environment we make ourselves. Plomin calls this the nature of nurture. Kevin Mitchell describes this self-chosen environmental as tending to "consolidate initial genetic differences."

    .

    How did the U.S. go from a fit nation to a nation of tubbos? Random genetic mutation?

  199. @Rosie

    men are primarily attracted to appearance, signalling fertility and good genes–hence appearance.
    Women are primarily attracted to status, signalling provision and good genes–hence $$$.
     
    More lies. Young women want attractive young men. That's why girls have to be forced to marry men twice their age in societies where that is customary.

    There is always some just-so story for men's double standards around here.

  200. @Anon
    From Plomin's "Blueprint" from last year, the heritability of:

    -- Body weight = 70 percent (across all ages, 80 percent in adulthood)

    -- Schizophrenia = 50

    -- Autism = 70

    -- Reading disabilities = 60

    -- IQ = 50

    -- Personality = 40

    So it's not like you just tell a fat person to just push away from the table, any more than you tell an autistic to shake himself out of it or an anorectic to "just eat a fucking sandwich, you dumb bitch."

    You are what you are. It's built into your brain. There is no ghost in the machine to take over. Some of us are thin; some fat; some thin who became fat, then back to thin again, and then back to fat ...

    Environment matters, but most of environment we make ourselves. Plomin calls this the nature of nurture. Kevin Mitchell describes this self-chosen environmental as tending to "consolidate initial genetic differences."

    .

    You are what you are. It’s built into your brain. There is no ghost in the machine to take over. Some of us are thin; some fat…

    But why so many extremely fat people NOW? And why especially in this country when you don’t see the same phenomenon in most of Europe?

    • Replies: @Rosie

    But why so many extremely fat people NOW? And why especially in this country when you don’t see the same phenomenon in most of Europe?
     
    I suspect it has to do with the campaign against smoking, along with the fact that women now don't have access to OTC diet pills containing ephedra.

    Anon is right that obesity appears to be very heritable based on twin studies, certainly much more so than homosexuality.
    , @Anon
    BMI growth has stabilized in the U.S. recently. It’s going up in Europe, and unfortunately, even in Japan and China. The WHO has numbers and trends for each country. If you travel you may spend more time in non-slum areas of large cities. These areas have lower obesity. There are cause and effect questions, and of course the silo’ing of genetic knowledge in a lot of research, but the sort of people who live and work in large urban areas tend to be genetically less inclinded to become fat. There is an IQ-body weight association. Plomin’s "4th replicated finding,” also called the fifth law of behavioral genetics, says that in such cases both traits are mediated by an underlying factor, rather than their being a direct cause and effect relationship. Kevin Mitchell has come up with the idea of “general fitness,” a more fundamental version of “general intelligence factor.” General fitness would simply be fewer mutations (SNPs) overall in your built body (genome plus fetal development), which would affect everything, including intelligence, health/weight, facial symmetry and so on.
  201. @Altai
    Supposedly they started when Tom Cruise took an ego hit that his generous offer to play James Bond was soundly rejected. I mean, when you think of James Bond you think of short, manic high-pitched Americans right? (And even if he could play it onscreen, he'd still be Tom Cruise in interviews, the mystique would be gone) So he made his own spy films where he could sprint as much as he liked.

    Anyway, there is at least one reviewer who doesn't get Mission Impossible's success. I mean, they're not Marvel movies so how can they be popular?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9sDZcpJYWQ

    The reviewer is a well-known former libertarian who is now an SJW because it's a more respectable way for him to spew hate at the white working class, the 'obsoletes' as he calls them. You know the type, the ones who became libertarians as teenagers because they felt it was an ideology that validated that intellect would truly be the mechanism for social status in a true post-industrial meritocracy, that'll show Chad!

    That fellow has a loose command of the English language.

  202. @syonredux
    More info on McGillis' rapist:

    Leroy Johnson’s first knifepoint rape was at age 13. Only two years later, he turned his knife on a young Kelly McGillis – savagely raping the then-aspiring actress and her roommate in their Upper West Side apartment.
     

    Tomorrow, Johnson will go on trial for a 1996 double rape at knifepoint in Greenwich Village that is almost a mirror of the 1982 attack on McGillis – from the push-in at the victims’ door, to the terrifying death threats, to the opportunistic attack on a roommate who happened to be home.
     
    Guy sounds like a real charmer:

    Johnson, of The Bronx, has re portedly suffered psychiatric problems his whole life.

    At age 3, his father died of a drug overdose. At about the same time, his mother developed schizophrenia, spending much of her life in psych hospitals, according to records made public during prior criminal cases.

    Yesterday, in a pretrial proceeding before Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Renee White, Assistant District Attorney Michele Bayer detailed a life of depravity and violence that started in 1979, when Johnson was only 12.

     


    * In 1979, Johnson is convicted of two knifepoint robberies.

    * In 1980, at age 13, he is convicted of raping, sodomizing and robbing a woman, and is sent to a state juvenile jail.
     

    In 1982, at age 15, he escapes, and commits the rape against McGillis and her roommate. Johnson and his accomplice first threatened McGillis’ roommate with a knife as she tried to enter her Upper West Side apartment. As the two attackers and the terrified roommate entered the apartment, McGillis tried frantically to call the police, but stopped when she was threatened at knifepoint. Johnson then raped both of them.
     

    He would be apprehended by fingerprint evidence, and sent back to juvie jail.

    * While in prison in 1993, he was convicted by the feds of threatening to kill President George Bush, and claiming that he was under orders by Libyan dictator Moammar Khadafy to drive a tank full of explosives into the White House.

    In the 1996 case, Johnson is accused of pushing his way, at knifepoint, into the victims’ Waverly Place apartment and raping both women.

     

    https://nypost.com/2006/06/06/stars-rapist-faces-96-sex-rap-case-mirrors-mcgillis-attack/

    There is a punchline to all of this.

    At his trial, one of his victims in the ’96 rape testified that the rape had caused her to become anorexic. Clearly didn’t have that effect on McGillis..

    At his sentencing hearing, Johnson told the judge that he now had a lovely wife and a year-old daughter and that he had changed. He accused the judge of being a racist and said that he was being railroaded, adding, “Sometimes the truth hurts.”

    “That’s right, sir,” Justice Renee White replied. And then she sentenced him to 50 years. Badaboom.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  203. @AnotherDad


    men are primarily attracted to appearance, signalling fertility and good genes–hence appearance.
    Women are primarily attracted to status, signalling provision and good genes–hence $$$.
     
    More lies. Young women want attractive young men. That’s why girls have to be forced to marry men twice their age in societies where that is customary.

    There is always some just-so story for men’s double standards around here.
     
    Rosie, why are railing against reality?

    Trying reading what i wrote. I wrote "primary". Everyone wants romantic interest from someone hot. If i looked like George Clooney, AnotherMom would have no doubt found me even more incredibly enticing. But i was pretty good looking enough, with an IQ and STEM background she thought seemed like "good dad" material even though at the time i was in grad school, had no job, etc. On the other had if AnotherMom had been obese or ten years older, i'd have had zero interest.

    Rosie just look at the very graphs you posted in the previous comment. They are entitely consistent with my point.

    Men
    -- judge women fairly accurately--a nice rounded curve with a flatish peak at the median
    -- but message them strongly correlated with attractiveness, only tailing off at the end; presumably because a lot of guys think "unobtainable".

    This is 100% in line with my point--and biology 101--that men are motivated by appearance signalling fertility and good genes.

    Women
    -- judge men appearance wise very harshly--
    -- but nonetheless message them with much less skew than the men--only slight skew to more attractive

    The harsh judging is not really in line with my point (as stated). I'd say a good part of it is just women being bitchy, maybe women's celebrity culture ("he's no George Clooney"). But i'm guessing if investigated it would be strong female hypergamy at play as well. These dudes have to go on-line?

    But women's actual behavior--the messaging--is 100% in line with my point. Women message men based much less on appearance than the men. Obviously the women are reading the bios and picking up on a bunch of other information that is important to them ... like maybe his job and career $$$?


    Rosie you can rail against biology all you want. But it's stupid.

    Women are going to want what they want--high status, big swinging dick men, good genes, lots of goodies.

    Men are going to want what they want--women who look healthy and fertile.

    Clearly this makes you mad. But it can't be any other way. If some men were not primarily attracted to women brimming with fertility, they'd waste time/effort pumping away in dry holes and the other men attracted to fertile women ... populate the future, create us.

    Women are going to want what they want–high status, big swinging dick men, good genes, lots of goodies.

    So you admit AnotherMom was interested in you even though you had nothing? Do you not think she could have hooked up with some rich old man if she wanted?

    Bride 34
    Groom 58

    Melania Trump married a billionaire old fart, therefore it’s ok for fatass men to demand that their wives diet for the rest of their lives.

    • Replies: @Kyle
    Women are attracted to young men just like men are attracted to young women. I know that from experience ;) . Young people of either sex are better looking and more fertile.
  204. @AnotherDad


    men are primarily attracted to appearance, signalling fertility and good genes–hence appearance.
    Women are primarily attracted to status, signalling provision and good genes–hence $$$.
     
    More lies. Young women want attractive young men. That’s why girls have to be forced to marry men twice their age in societies where that is customary.

    There is always some just-so story for men’s double standards around here.
     
    Rosie, why are railing against reality?

    Trying reading what i wrote. I wrote "primary". Everyone wants romantic interest from someone hot. If i looked like George Clooney, AnotherMom would have no doubt found me even more incredibly enticing. But i was pretty good looking enough, with an IQ and STEM background she thought seemed like "good dad" material even though at the time i was in grad school, had no job, etc. On the other had if AnotherMom had been obese or ten years older, i'd have had zero interest.

    Rosie just look at the very graphs you posted in the previous comment. They are entitely consistent with my point.

    Men
    -- judge women fairly accurately--a nice rounded curve with a flatish peak at the median
    -- but message them strongly correlated with attractiveness, only tailing off at the end; presumably because a lot of guys think "unobtainable".

    This is 100% in line with my point--and biology 101--that men are motivated by appearance signalling fertility and good genes.

    Women
    -- judge men appearance wise very harshly--
    -- but nonetheless message them with much less skew than the men--only slight skew to more attractive

    The harsh judging is not really in line with my point (as stated). I'd say a good part of it is just women being bitchy, maybe women's celebrity culture ("he's no George Clooney"). But i'm guessing if investigated it would be strong female hypergamy at play as well. These dudes have to go on-line?

    But women's actual behavior--the messaging--is 100% in line with my point. Women message men based much less on appearance than the men. Obviously the women are reading the bios and picking up on a bunch of other information that is important to them ... like maybe his job and career $$$?


    Rosie you can rail against biology all you want. But it's stupid.

    Women are going to want what they want--high status, big swinging dick men, good genes, lots of goodies.

    Men are going to want what they want--women who look healthy and fertile.

    Clearly this makes you mad. But it can't be any other way. If some men were not primarily attracted to women brimming with fertility, they'd waste time/effort pumping away in dry holes and the other men attracted to fertile women ... populate the future, create us.

    Looking at those graphs again. I have to put a hold on my comments about them to some extent.

    Looked at carefully it’s not clear to me there is much of difference between men and women in messaging vs. relative attractiveness.

    It’s just that women’s assessments of male appearance are so ridiculously stupid that the women’s graph is distorted and difficult to read next to the men’s.

    It would have been good to have graphs of messaging versus relative–instead of absolute–attractiveness. I.e. what message response did a women judged at 50%tile get versus man judged at 50%tile. 25th, 75th, 5th, 95th, etc. This is pretty easy to glean from the men’s graph because men judge the women very reasonably. But it’s a tedious exercise to pull it from women’s graph.

    ~~

    In any case, i stand by the rest of my comments. One thing with the dating site data is that appearance really .. *the* deal. On-line you get the picture and a few details. (And both can be b.s.)

    But back in the real world … everything’s in play. And while both men and women value appearance, women have a bunch of other criteria–especially for marriage–that are even more important. A stunningly cute guy who lives in his parents’s basement playing video games … does not cut it.

  205. @Harry Baldwin
    You are what you are. It’s built into your brain. There is no ghost in the machine to take over. Some of us are thin; some fat...

    But why so many extremely fat people NOW? And why especially in this country when you don't see the same phenomenon in most of Europe?

    But why so many extremely fat people NOW? And why especially in this country when you don’t see the same phenomenon in most of Europe?

    I suspect it has to do with the campaign against smoking, along with the fact that women now don’t have access to OTC diet pills containing ephedra.

    Anon is right that obesity appears to be very heritable based on twin studies, certainly much more so than homosexuality.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Homosexuality is only in the 20 to 30 percent range, I believe, although I don’t have the figure at hand. Left handedness is about the same. At the other extreme are height and body weight, which are 70 or 80. The vast bulk of traits are in the 40 to 60 percent range of heritability. And according to Turkheimer’s First Law of Behavioral Genetics, (virtually) all traits are heritable. And a trait is anything you can make up, such as skills that nobody practiced in the past, since (virtually) all traits are affected by hundreds or thousands of genes. From which follows that all traits are distributed in a normal (bell curve) distribution. This includes things like metal illnesses, for which there is no strict cutoff. Every mental illness is a spectrum upon with everybody falls: Plomins’s ‘The abnormal is normal.” There are very few “genes for ....” or OGODs (one, or a few, genes, one disease).
  206. @AnotherDad


    men are primarily attracted to appearance, signalling fertility and good genes–hence appearance.
    Women are primarily attracted to status, signalling provision and good genes–hence $$$.
     
    More lies. Young women want attractive young men. That’s why girls have to be forced to marry men twice their age in societies where that is customary.

    There is always some just-so story for men’s double standards around here.
     
    Rosie, why are railing against reality?

    Trying reading what i wrote. I wrote "primary". Everyone wants romantic interest from someone hot. If i looked like George Clooney, AnotherMom would have no doubt found me even more incredibly enticing. But i was pretty good looking enough, with an IQ and STEM background she thought seemed like "good dad" material even though at the time i was in grad school, had no job, etc. On the other had if AnotherMom had been obese or ten years older, i'd have had zero interest.

    Rosie just look at the very graphs you posted in the previous comment. They are entitely consistent with my point.

    Men
    -- judge women fairly accurately--a nice rounded curve with a flatish peak at the median
    -- but message them strongly correlated with attractiveness, only tailing off at the end; presumably because a lot of guys think "unobtainable".

    This is 100% in line with my point--and biology 101--that men are motivated by appearance signalling fertility and good genes.

    Women
    -- judge men appearance wise very harshly--
    -- but nonetheless message them with much less skew than the men--only slight skew to more attractive

    The harsh judging is not really in line with my point (as stated). I'd say a good part of it is just women being bitchy, maybe women's celebrity culture ("he's no George Clooney"). But i'm guessing if investigated it would be strong female hypergamy at play as well. These dudes have to go on-line?

    But women's actual behavior--the messaging--is 100% in line with my point. Women message men based much less on appearance than the men. Obviously the women are reading the bios and picking up on a bunch of other information that is important to them ... like maybe his job and career $$$?


    Rosie you can rail against biology all you want. But it's stupid.

    Women are going to want what they want--high status, big swinging dick men, good genes, lots of goodies.

    Men are going to want what they want--women who look healthy and fertile.

    Clearly this makes you mad. But it can't be any other way. If some men were not primarily attracted to women brimming with fertility, they'd waste time/effort pumping away in dry holes and the other men attracted to fertile women ... populate the future, create us.

    All you have to do is look 50 years back to see the vicious decline today:

    • Replies: @syonredux
    I see that a then unknown Ali MacGraw is front-and-center.....She was pretty cute in her heyday...




    https://live.staticflickr.com/3743/9628795047_03ea754ca6_b.jpg


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/eb/9b/c4/eb9bc45480c811ebe07dbf3bcf860768.jpg




    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/70/f4/71/70f471ba7b191ab622f0ed37f4cb0297.jpg
    , @Clyde
    Nice advertisement but I doubt it ran much of anywhere. However National Airlines ruled when they ran the famous "Fly Me" advertisements. https://tinyurl.com/y6edancb The Patriarchy was really happening back then! And gloriously!
  207. @6dust6
    The last time I saw a photo of Kelly McGillis she looked like she weighed 300 lbs. Actesses and most women, for that matter, even though it has become the norm especially for those in front of a camera, cannot remain anorexic forever.

    The problem with being a Hollywood actress who is constantly dieting is that your body thinks you’re starving and goes into pack-on-the-pounds hyperdrive mode. Eventually, the body wins.

    • Agree: Rosie
  208. @Clyde

    WTF? Is Hollywood completely out of any ideas besides PC versions of comic books?
     
    go see -- "13 Hours the secret soldiers of Benghazi" Yikes it seems that it is on some torr_ent sites.

    Also 12 Strong and American Sniper.

  209. @Rosie

    If these findings are to be believed, the great majority of women are only willing to communicate romantically with a small minority of men while most men are willing to communicate romantically with most women.
     
    This is a blatant lie.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcXX8meUQAAYQS8.png

    Now, it is no news flash that men have an easier time getting sex than women. The question is: How picky are men when it comes to settling down?

    Graphs that show who messages who only show one side of the story. They don’t show who responds to who. In the article “Attraction Inequality and the Dating Economy” published 3/12/19 in Quillette, it mentions that when OkCupid looked at their datasets they found that women rate 80 percent of men below average looking and that this block of below average men only received responses from women 30 percent of the time or less. By contrast, men rate women as below average looking only 50 percent of the time and that block of below average women received responses from men 40 percent of the time or higher. Since men find more women attractive and are more willing to communicate even with the unattractive women this does indicate that men are more willing to communicate with women overall than vice versa.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    They don’t show who responds to who.
     
    You can't respond to a message you never got, and if you only send messages to women who are out of your league, you're not going to have much luck. Boo hoo.

    Since men find more women attractive and are more willing to communicate even with the unattractive women this does indicate that men are more willing to communicate with women overall than vice versa.
     
    No it doesn't. The whole point of the graphs is precisely that you can't presume that willingness to communicate corresponds with attractiveness ratings. It doesn't.
  210. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    Jennifer Weiner:

    https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/jennifer-weiner-javier-sirvent.jpg?w=720&quality=85

    Eh, she’s not horrible. But she’s 49, sold a lot of books, married, has two kids, and ought to be content with her accomplishments in life. Instead, with her blonde dye job and high heels (what female writer wears high heels? Only a nutcase would bother), indicate she’s having one big, fat mid-life crisis. Being female, she’s not out buying a sports car, but obsessing over her looks and crying into her mirror at home. She’s too neurotic to ever be content.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Find some other photos of her. Hideous. And the front-butt doesn't help her case either.
  211. @Buzz Mohawk
    Dammit. She came here in 1995. Not '85. OCD correction mandatory in this case. She was still a kid in 1985 and Ceaușescu still ran her country. I type the way Joe Biden talks. Sorry.

    Your wife, like mine, came from a very repressive Communist dictatorship. 1980 was when Reagan was running for president, so I can understand why they were attracted to RR’s anti- Communist ideas.

    I don’t want to mention what country because I have mentioned the name of my city, and there aren’t very many people from her country in my city. I may be getting paranoid, but in another forum the father of my kid’s classmate sent me a PM with the name of my kid, which wasn’t bad because it wasn’t political. The classmate of another kid yelled at my kid for something I posted. So I am being extra careful. It is scary I have to be as scared of being outed as an ISteve poster in liberal Madison as folks in Communist countries are. Even though I am a liberal, some of my ideas are not fashionable among liberals in the current year. It is NOT Who We Are to have the same ideas of immigration that Sanders had in 2015.

  212. @El Dato
    I'm dubious about that movie.

    I also never understood why Feynman would be mandated to look into the problem.

    It's not as if you would need a physicist to peer through a microscope and tell the engineers (who are way above your skill level in that domain) that they missed something.

    It was a problème entirely sociological. 100% repeat performance with Columbia.

    Basically, the warning things saying that you were damned lucky this time were re-interpreted as having still some margin for error. "It worked so far..."

    https://web.mit.edu/esd.83/www/notebook/The%20Challenger%20Launch%20Decision_1.pdf

    https://www.amazon.com/Challenger-Launch-Decision-Technology-Deviance/dp/0226851761

    Because the guys on the government payroll needed an outsider to blow the whistle. The movie deals with this, IIRC.

  213. @Anon
    From Plomin's "Blueprint" from last year, the heritability of:

    -- Body weight = 70 percent (across all ages, 80 percent in adulthood)

    -- Schizophrenia = 50

    -- Autism = 70

    -- Reading disabilities = 60

    -- IQ = 50

    -- Personality = 40

    So it's not like you just tell a fat person to just push away from the table, any more than you tell an autistic to shake himself out of it or an anorectic to "just eat a fucking sandwich, you dumb bitch."

    You are what you are. It's built into your brain. There is no ghost in the machine to take over. Some of us are thin; some fat; some thin who became fat, then back to thin again, and then back to fat ...

    Environment matters, but most of environment we make ourselves. Plomin calls this the nature of nurture. Kevin Mitchell describes this self-chosen environmental as tending to "consolidate initial genetic differences."

    .

    This guy is a walking counterpoint. Physician who lost 150lbs by cutting out carbs.

  214. @JimDandy
    Whereas it is totally legitimate to attack online anti-SJW's as "Fat, balding neckbeard virgins who no woman would ever have sex with."

    Good thing I look like Fabio in real life, or that kind of shit would give me a real body image complex.

    You can always spot the leftist shills because they’re trying to be as nasty as possible right out of the gate, and they have no engagement, everything is a Colbert or Adam Ruins one-line presumed refutation. This has gone on for years and I can’t imagine it had any success, I cannot imagine one person deciding to vote Democrat because he was called stupid or a virgin. They set up a “gauntlet” on either side of the entrance to a recent Trump rally. This is probably “bird dogging” (they’re not going to convince anyone of anything, they’re not going to get one rally-goer to turn around, so their probable goal is to provoke a fight) — all the useless last ditch desperation sore loser strategies exposed by Project Veritas are still churning pointlessly along, amply supplied by funds from clueless billionaires.

  215. @Days of Broken Arrows
    Interesting final paragraph. It touches on something I've long thought: That women's obesity is a form of contempt for men. It's a physical manifestation of their resentment. Same goes for tattoos.

    The female body = a form of art. Obesity/tattoos = a can of spray paint.

    That’s a good take on the current zeitgeist surrounding obesity, much less “body art,” otherwise known as tattoos.

    I’m mystified by women who own 50+ pairs of shoes, hundreds of jewelry items (earrings, bracelets, rings, necklaces), with different combinations for different outfits, days of the week, occasions, daytime, nighttime, etc. , and yet get a permanent tattoo.

    The error in my thinking is expecting logic, consistency, and any future-time orientation/forward thinking/planning from women…

  216. @Alfa158
    Most viewers probably don’t know the original novel was written over thirty years ago as an attack on White male Christian civilization. This was before the current Muslim incursions into the West got into full swing and there were hijabs and burqas on every street corner, so she was quite perceptive in using them as the model for Christians in her slanders against Western civilization.
    Back in the 60’s when most Westerners knew little about the Muslim world Frank Herbert used exotic Arabic themes in his Dune. I remember that Dune was the first time I saw the word jihad.

    It creates kind of an annoyance now thay we are more widely familiar with Arabs.

  217. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    A morbidly obese girlfriend underwent stomach-stapling surgery, performed by a surgeon at Mountainside Hospital, Montclair, NJ, who only performed this procedure. There's so much demand that he could specialize on this one procedure? Sheesh.

    She lost and regained the weight and underwent a second "stomach sleeve" surgery. It helped, but she's still fat. The stomach is highly elastic and will stretch.

    performed by a surgeon at Mountainside Hospital, Montclair, NJ, who only performed this procedure.

    Any familiarity with surgery and surgical errors would lead you to only have surgery performed by surgeons who are the gold standard in their one surgical specialty.

    For the same reason professional musicians practice on a daily basis, you want the surgeon to be intimate with the procedure and current with his knowledge and surgical skill. And since there’s no rehearsal space for surgeons to stay sharp by practicing–it means they should be performing the procedure day-in-and-day-out. There’s no room for errors.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Professional athletes tend to fly to Aspen to have their knees worked on by whoever is the Top Guy at the time.
  218. @Buzz Mohawk
    I was thinking about writing a clever comment about your line of thinking here, but I've got to get to the store and pick up a supply of adult diapers. I'm positively in the grasp of a EuroMILF pussy and I don't want to shit all over myself laughing at you.

    Haysom manages to be worse than Corvinus or Tiny, since they are at least talking about the topic.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    No I just piss you of more because they are old and sexually frustrated like you are. And I’m the complete opposite. All the oldest most hot air filled relics got immediately triggered by me pointing out that not all men are like wine and the ones that don’t tend to yell about women and Israel on this website.

    It doesn’t help of course that last time I humiliated you and outed you as a Russophile three comments after you claimed you “didn’t care abut russia.” You got all worked up and let the beans spill. Whoopsies. Too bad this isn’t like the nursing no surly Jamaican nurse to clean up after you here.

    Boomer snowflakes aren’t unique likely actual snow flakes.
  219. anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    Leroy Johnson's continued existence on the planet is a sign of the softness, silliness, unseriousness that has captured the West, like--but much less serious--than our open southern border or the "Mediterranean crisis".

    * In 1980, at age 13, he is convicted of raping, sodomizing and robbing a woman, and is sent to a state juvenile jail.
    In 1982, at age 15, he escapes, and commits the rape against McGillis and her roommate.
     
    The whole "juvenille justice" program of expunging everything is nonsense. Yes, adolescent brains are less disciplined. So what? They are what they are. There are kids who behave--control themselves--and ones who do not. If they are violent a-hole at 13 ... they are a violent a-hole. It's who they are. And if it's a violent a-hole who "would have turned his life around" ... who gives a shit. What's the big loss? He had his chance and blew it. Take out the trash.

    And seriously "escapes"--we are unable to successfully lock up teenagers?

    And escaped immediately does it again ... and we do nothing?

    This piece of shit should have been executed or at minimum flogged and sent to the penal colony in the Aleutians for life ... long, long ago.


    You can not run a nation a virtue signalling drama for lefty good-thinkers.

    wwebd said – Most cultures throughout history used the death penalty with almost no exceptions on rapists, murderers, and on thieves and robbers who used or threatened to use deadly weapons on unsuspecting victims.

    Today, you can walk through some neighborhoods in America and, if you know where you are, and if you understand the place where you are walking, you will likely know that almost half the people you pass on the sidewalk have a father or a brother or a son walking free who is a rapist, a murderer, or a stinking coward who once used a deadly weapon on an unsuspecting victim (or are themselves a rapist, a murderer, or a stinking coward who once used a weapon on an unsuspecting victim).

    Once you know that fact about America, you understand an awful lot that people who do not know that fact do not understand. We have been a liberal polity for half a century, and the pursuit of justice in defense of the innocent has not been our priority. May God forgive those who made that possible.

  220. @Forbes

    performed by a surgeon at Mountainside Hospital, Montclair, NJ, who only performed this procedure.
     
    Any familiarity with surgery and surgical errors would lead you to only have surgery performed by surgeons who are the gold standard in their one surgical specialty.

    For the same reason professional musicians practice on a daily basis, you want the surgeon to be intimate with the procedure and current with his knowledge and surgical skill. And since there's no rehearsal space for surgeons to stay sharp by practicing--it means they should be performing the procedure day-in-and-day-out. There's no room for errors.

    Professional athletes tend to fly to Aspen to have their knees worked on by whoever is the Top Guy at the time.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Professional athletes tend to fly to Aspen to have their knees worked on by whoever is the Top Guy at the time.
     
    Before boarding a small aircraft in Colorado, make sure the pilot knows it's Aspen you want:


    The Sex Change Capital of The U.S.

    In the Age of Caitlyn Jenner, Trinidad Is No Longer World's Sex-Change Capital

    OBITUARIES
    Sex-Change Pioneer, Dr. Stanley Biber


    Biber also trained dozens of other surgeons in sex reassignment surgery techniques and maintained a regular surgical practice of delivering babies, removing tonsils, and replacing knee and hip joints.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Biber


     

    His specialty appears to be subtraction.
    , @Forbes
    Dr. Richard Steadman is the knee specialist in Vail, not Aspen. I believe he retired from surgery in 2014. The Steadman Clinic continues.

    That's where Koby Bryant was headed 16 years ago when he got jammed-up for f*cking the hotel room service girl in the @$$. He was staying at the Hotel and Spa at Cordillera in Edwards, Colorado. I happened to be there for a long July 4th weekend, but read about the incident in the NYT while changing planes at DFW on my return to NYC.

    , @Clyde

    Professional athletes tend to fly to Aspen to have their knees worked on by whoever is the Top Guy at the time.
     
    Worked on is different these days. The really cool boys who have the money to spend..... They are getting their own stem cells injected into joints to heal them. No cutting and surgery. Injections are what is going on. On a lower level I have had prolotherapy injections in a problem knee and it worked on the ligaments and meniscus. Anyone who likes to know more see the three youTube Joe Rogan sessions with Ben Greenfield. https://www.bing.com/search?q=Joe+Rogan+sessions+with+Ben+Greenfield.&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN
    , @Brutusale
    Sorry, Steve, but top athletes tend to fly to Birmingham, Alabama to see the Top Guy, Dr. James Andrews.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Andrews_(physician)

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2019/08/18/chris-sale-have-elbow-examined-james-andrews-monday/mpl2MLmNMuGpk4fXIFkkqK/story.html

    I'll grant that Steadman does a good knee.
  221. @anonymous
    Even patronizing the occasional worthwhile Hollywood film is feeding the same beast.

    Boycott.

    You don’t have to boycott if they’re not producing anything worthwhile. I think I’ve been in a theatre twice this century. Seen a few more at home on cable.

  222. @Jim Don Bob
    Kathleen Turner was smoking hot in Body Heat, but got a reputation for being "difficult". I saw her in a non-singing role at the Met this spring and it didn't look like she'd missed many meals.

    I think William Hurt just didn't have the drive to be a big star. He reminds me of Deborah Winger who just kind of dropped out after being a huge hit in An Officer and a Gentleman.

    IIRC, Kathleen Turner turned up with rheumatoid arthritis.

  223. @Mark G.
    Graphs that show who messages who only show one side of the story. They don't show who responds to who. In the article "Attraction Inequality and the Dating Economy" published 3/12/19 in Quillette, it mentions that when OkCupid looked at their datasets they found that women rate 80 percent of men below average looking and that this block of below average men only received responses from women 30 percent of the time or less. By contrast, men rate women as below average looking only 50 percent of the time and that block of below average women received responses from men 40 percent of the time or higher. Since men find more women attractive and are more willing to communicate even with the unattractive women this does indicate that men are more willing to communicate with women overall than vice versa.

    They don’t show who responds to who.

    You can’t respond to a message you never got, and if you only send messages to women who are out of your league, you’re not going to have much luck. Boo hoo.

    Since men find more women attractive and are more willing to communicate even with the unattractive women this does indicate that men are more willing to communicate with women overall than vice versa.

    No it doesn’t. The whole point of the graphs is precisely that you can’t presume that willingness to communicate corresponds with attractiveness ratings. It doesn’t.

  224. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Val Kilmer’s acting chops have always been at least on par with Tom Cruise’s, if not better. Kilmer’s problem seems to be that he has garnered a reputation as extremely difficult to work with. Cruise’s reputation is the opposite. Everyone who has ever worked with Cruise has described him as kind, affable, and extremely professional.

    This kind of contrast might also explain why over the years Hugh Jackman has gotten a lot of roles that otherwise could have gone to Russell Crowe.

    Kilmer is easily the superior actor, plus he can sing and dance. But Cruise has “it.” He’s a perennial star, for reasons I can neither explain nor comprehend.

  225. @Buzz Mohawk
    She had her own way of shaking it, with a wide, high-heeled stance, knees and crotch thrust forward, and a dress that was shredded all the way up to the Mississippi Delta.

    For those who don't know, here is Tina Turner in all her glory, imprinting on us future leg men:

    https://wearerock.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/hot-legs-3.jpg?w=700

    A local bar band covered “Listen to Her Heart” recently. Though having bought the original 40 years ago, I only just learned it’s inspiration.

    Ike had hit up on Mrs Petty.

  226. Any shred of credibility Weiner might have had even on being a fat chick went down the drain right in paragraph 2 with “Another credible allegation of rape leveled at our president.” Does anybody still edit op-eds for some link to reality, or at least to keep these wimmen on point?

  227. @Jim Christian
    All you have to do is look 50 years back to see the vicious decline today:

    https://i.redd.it/nk7m45nxdaky.png

    I see that a then unknown Ali MacGraw is front-and-center…..She was pretty cute in her heyday…

  228. @Steve Sailer
    Professional athletes tend to fly to Aspen to have their knees worked on by whoever is the Top Guy at the time.

    Professional athletes tend to fly to Aspen to have their knees worked on by whoever is the Top Guy at the time.

    Before boarding a small aircraft in Colorado, make sure the pilot knows it’s Aspen you want:

    The Sex Change Capital of The U.S.

    In the Age of Caitlyn Jenner, Trinidad Is No Longer World’s Sex-Change Capital

    OBITUARIES
    Sex-Change Pioneer, Dr. Stanley Biber

    Biber also trained dozens of other surgeons in sex reassignment surgery techniques and maintained a regular surgical practice of delivering babies, removing tonsils, and replacing knee and hip joints.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Biber

    His specialty appears to be subtraction.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian

    His specialty appears to be subtraction.
     
    Good take. He extracts everything but a bad molar.
    , @Achmed E. Newman

    His specialty appears to be subtraction.
     
    Probably an AA Med student then. A serious sex-change doctor would specialize in doing the adedictome.
  229. @Spotted Toad
    His Mission Impossible series, especially the more recent few, have been among the very very few fun remaining popcorn movies that don’t rely heavily on CGI and are targeted at American adults. The overall stories are pretty interchangeable, but the last few have all had long sections of just incredibly well executed technical direction and continuous action. Probably a lot to do with this guy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_McQuarrie)

    I’ll stick to the meticulously plotted original TV series, thank you — including the much needed comic relief whenever Peter Graves, Greg Morris or Peter Lupus attempt a foreign accent or any other form of “acting”

    • Replies: @Jim Christian

    I’ll stick to the meticulously plotted original TV series, thank you — including the much needed comic relief whenever Peter Graves, Greg Morris or Peter Lupus attempt a foreign accent or any other form of “acting”
     
    Funny, that. Perfect Storm, Dianne Lane, faking a Gloucester accent. If you live up here, you find it's beyond ridiculous. Asked about it, Clooney said something to the effect that his slight NY accent would have to do. Fake it til you make it doesn't cut it in New England.
  230. @Anon
    From Plomin's "Blueprint" from last year, the heritability of:

    -- Body weight = 70 percent (across all ages, 80 percent in adulthood)

    -- Schizophrenia = 50

    -- Autism = 70

    -- Reading disabilities = 60

    -- IQ = 50

    -- Personality = 40

    So it's not like you just tell a fat person to just push away from the table, any more than you tell an autistic to shake himself out of it or an anorectic to "just eat a fucking sandwich, you dumb bitch."

    You are what you are. It's built into your brain. There is no ghost in the machine to take over. Some of us are thin; some fat; some thin who became fat, then back to thin again, and then back to fat ...

    Environment matters, but most of environment we make ourselves. Plomin calls this the nature of nurture. Kevin Mitchell describes this self-chosen environmental as tending to "consolidate initial genetic differences."

    .

    or an anorectic

    Where in the world do you write from, that they still use the correct term?

  231. @Steve Sailer
    Professional athletes tend to fly to Aspen to have their knees worked on by whoever is the Top Guy at the time.

    Dr. Richard Steadman is the knee specialist in Vail, not Aspen. I believe he retired from surgery in 2014. The Steadman Clinic continues.

    That’s where Koby Bryant was headed 16 years ago when he got jammed-up for f*cking the hotel room service girl in the @$$. He was staying at the Hotel and Spa at Cordillera in Edwards, Colorado. I happened to be there for a long July 4th weekend, but read about the incident in the NYT while changing planes at DFW on my return to NYC.

  232. @Kylie
    Trust me. You do not want to go there.

    I should have heeded your warning.

  233. The Kelly McGillis of 2019 looks awful and should run from any camera that comes within 100 yards of her. People attend movies to see pretty people. Of course she was not asked to reprise the role. This is so obvious, only a SJW could miss it.

  234. There must be something to this Lizzo movement – already, they’ve found their patron saint.

  235. Where in the world do you write from, that they still use the correct term?

    I edited material from American health professionals as part of a previous job. Dietitian, not dietician, that sort of thing.

  236. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    But why so many extremely fat people NOW? And why especially in this country when you don’t see the same phenomenon in most of Europe?
     
    I suspect it has to do with the campaign against smoking, along with the fact that women now don't have access to OTC diet pills containing ephedra.

    Anon is right that obesity appears to be very heritable based on twin studies, certainly much more so than homosexuality.

    Homosexuality is only in the 20 to 30 percent range, I believe, although I don’t have the figure at hand. Left handedness is about the same. At the other extreme are height and body weight, which are 70 or 80. The vast bulk of traits are in the 40 to 60 percent range of heritability. And according to Turkheimer’s First Law of Behavioral Genetics, (virtually) all traits are heritable. And a trait is anything you can make up, such as skills that nobody practiced in the past, since (virtually) all traits are affected by hundreds or thousands of genes. From which follows that all traits are distributed in a normal (bell curve) distribution. This includes things like metal illnesses, for which there is no strict cutoff. Every mental illness is a spectrum upon with everybody falls: Plomins’s ‘The abnormal is normal.” There are very few “genes for ….” or OGODs (one, or a few, genes, one disease).

  237. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    You are what you are. It’s built into your brain. There is no ghost in the machine to take over. Some of us are thin; some fat...

    But why so many extremely fat people NOW? And why especially in this country when you don't see the same phenomenon in most of Europe?

    BMI growth has stabilized in the U.S. recently. It’s going up in Europe, and unfortunately, even in Japan and China. The WHO has numbers and trends for each country. If you travel you may spend more time in non-slum areas of large cities. These areas have lower obesity. There are cause and effect questions, and of course the silo’ing of genetic knowledge in a lot of research, but the sort of people who live and work in large urban areas tend to be genetically less inclinded to become fat. There is an IQ-body weight association. Plomin’s “4th replicated finding,” also called the fifth law of behavioral genetics, says that in such cases both traits are mediated by an underlying factor, rather than their being a direct cause and effect relationship. Kevin Mitchell has come up with the idea of “general fitness,” a more fundamental version of “general intelligence factor.” General fitness would simply be fewer mutations (SNPs) overall in your built body (genome plus fetal development), which would affect everything, including intelligence, health/weight, facial symmetry and so on.

  238. @SFG
    No disagreement. My point was more that the commentariat was exaggerating it with phrases about wine and milk. Eventually, wine goes bad too.

    Lol no worries comrade, I know, I was just being a wee bit polemical 😉

    Anyway, the propaganda notion that old wine tastes any less acrid and unpleasant than the rest is a French merchants’ trick.

    I guess they persuaded degenerated aristos that such-and-such a vintage was particulièrement piquant, making its ownership a more highly sought after status symbol.

    Like the nouveau riche of our own era and its crass commodity fetishism.

    To torture the metaphor; if treated correctly in a controlled environment, “milk” can indeed be induced to provide a wide range of valuable products that remain delicious for a good long while 😀

    • Replies: @anonymous
    wwebd said - You have no idea what you are talking about with respect to wine.

    Imagine you know much more than you know about grape vines, about weather, about irrigation, natural and artificial, about the multi-generational history of vineyards, about the difference between good workmanship and bad workmanship, about the difference in taste between rainwater and river water, about so many many other things that you have never thought about ----

    and then tell me you know what you are talking about with respect to wine.

    I guess you think there is no difference between Islay Scotch and sweet Jim Beam.

    Show some respect for the culture in which you were born, Richard.

  239. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Jennifer Weiner:

    https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/jennifer-weiner-javier-sirvent.jpg?w=720&quality=85

    Hey thanks a lot Bud, now I cannot un-see that.

  240. @syonredux
    I'm in the minority on this, but I'm not a fan of Heat.

    I think it was a really good movie with a really bad ending. I got a kick out of the woman that complained to Pacino about degrading herself with the nice guy. Whiskey does have a point.

  241. @J.Ross
    Haysom manages to be worse than Corvinus or Tiny, since they are at least talking about the topic.

    No I just piss you of more because they are old and sexually frustrated like you are. And I’m the complete opposite. All the oldest most hot air filled relics got immediately triggered by me pointing out that not all men are like wine and the ones that don’t tend to yell about women and Israel on this website.

    It doesn’t help of course that last time I humiliated you and outed you as a Russophile three comments after you claimed you “didn’t care abut russia.” You got all worked up and let the beans spill. Whoopsies. Too bad this isn’t like the nursing no surly Jamaican nurse to clean up after you here.

    Boomer snowflakes aren’t unique likely actual snow flakes.

  242. @Hippopotamusdrome
    OT
    Wales to combat obesity by installing fat shaming toilets.


    [theguardian.com]
    Loos in Porthcawl, south Wales, will feature weight sensors and sound alarms

    ...sensors would automatically open the doors and sound high-pitched alarms, with fine water jets soaking the interior.

    Porthcawl town council is spending £170,000 on the futuristic toilets in Griffin Park

    Twitter users have questioned how the systems, in particular the weight-sensitive floors, would work in practice.

    One said: “Weight sensitive floors...? What baseline weight are they using?

    Another added: “There are obvious serious questions about weight sensors, with potential for cruel humiliation of facility users.”

     

    Those new toilets are for 2 people sitting in a toilet humping away or even one person sitting on the toilets wanking.

  243. @Kylie
    Trust me. You do not want to go there.

    Meh, I’m sure you’ve done worse.

    Anyway, Jen is an alumna of Princeton. On her website, she BRAGS about not having taken one math class there. One of my pet peeves is people bragging about being bad at math. No one brags about being a bad reader.

  244. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Jennifer Weiner:

    https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/jennifer-weiner-javier-sirvent.jpg?w=720&quality=85

    She makes herself look worse than she has to with that super tight dress 3 sizes too small. She needs to wear something reasonable that fits. Yeah, she is nuts.

  245. @Anon
    OT

    New York Times
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/18/world/europe/france-waiter-killed-sandwich.html

    French Waiter Shot Dead Over Slow Sandwich Service, Witnesses Say

    PARIS — The police in France are hunting for a customer accused of fatally shooting a waiter at a restaurant near Paris because, witnesses said, he was upset over the wait for his sandwich.
     
    What do we know about the waiter?:

    Title: He was French

    Paragraph ...

    1. A customer

    2. The customer

    3. The man

    5. The gunman

    Intermission:

    Paris’ suburbs are replete with many fast-food restaurants, and waiters often work under pressure to deliver customers’ orders quickly and efficiently. But most killings in restaurants have been tied to score-settling and feuds, the authorities said.

    In 2018, the French police recorded 845 homicides nationwide, a slight increase from 2017. France’s intentional homicide rate in 2016, the most recent year for which United Nations figures offer a comparison, was about a quarter of that in the United States.
     
    O.K., so nothing to worry about, fast food work is inherently dangerous, and the murder rate is not up too much.

    9. [A local reports recent disputes and people who hang around and drink alcohol]

    10. How is this relevant?:

    Amid growing competition from other global tourist destinations, France over the years has started campaigns to burnish its image, including improving its reputation for gruff dining experiences. Paris’s tourism board, for example, had begun a charm offensive by handing out thousands of pamphlets to cafes, hotels, shops and taxi ranks titled “Do You Speak Touriste?” in a bid to make travelers feel more welcome.
     
    Are they saying a tourist shot a rude waiter? [Spoiler: No.]

    11. Yes, nothing to worry about, just a weird random thing that happened:

    But the shooting in Noisy-Le-Grand had all the markings of a singular burst of violence. It is part of the Seine-Saint-Denis department, on the outskirts of Paris, where poor social conditions have often led to crimes and social unrest.
     
    But ... wait a sec ... “poor social conditions”? In what way? Does that have to do with loitering drunk guys?

    12, 13, 14. Wait, what?!:

    News of the killing drew angry reactions on Twitter, including from Jean Messiha, a top member of Marine Le Pen’s National Rally, who linked the shooting to “mass immigration.”

    But Sylvain Thézard, chief of staff of Noisy-Le-Grand’s mayor, pushed back at any link between the killing and immigration.

    “We are shocked by the comments on social networks that make a lot of confusion,” he said. “Crime rates are declining in our city. This murder is by no means the result of a deeper problem. It’s nothing but sad news.”
     
    -- 30 --

    End of 15-paragraph news story. Narrative structure:

    1. We don’t know anything about this crime which is still under investigation.

    2. We know the crime is a normal, almost inevitable result of fast food.

    3. We also know the crime was an out of the blue random happening which is unrelated to anything and will never reoccur.

    4. But we don’t know anything about the crime.

    5. Misdirection: Did you know that tourists in France get pissed at rude waiters?

    6. We know that the perp isn’t a tourist, by the way, because the title says he’s French.

    7. Are you still reading? Because here’s a little forshadowing: “poor social conditions.” Put that in your Chekhov’s Gun.

    8. By the way, in a completely unrelated event, there was a dust-up on Twitter about mass immigration and three paragraphs about that ended up as the last three paragraphs in this article, but there is no connection to the article, so expect them to be removed as errata.

    Well done.

  246. @Paleo Liberal
    I like the idea of performers being judged on their talent and not their looks.

    Speaking of which, I remember back in 1973 going to see “As You Like It” in Central Park. There was a chubby and not particularly attractive fellow who had a bit part that required singing a couple of Shakespeare songs. The actor wasn’t much to look at, but he had a voice that stole the show.

    We checked the program for this unknown soon-to-be Star. He had a very unusual name which the reader must guess.


    Hints:
    Fat
    Ugly
    Strange name
    Voice like an angel
    Best known movie role he gets hacked to death by a transsexual.
    Wound up selling tens of millions of records.
    Had a monster hit record with Phil Rizzuto.

    Tim Curry?

  247. @CAL2
    And there it is, the reason homosexuality destroys the view of normal male relationships. The volleyball scene, which is supposedly so homoerotic is there for one reason, the ladies. It's the same reason the love scene got tacked onto the movie. Female test audience members wanted it.

    Otherwise, it's guys in a highly competitive environment.

    And there it is, the reason homosexuality destroys the view of normal male relationships. The volleyball scene, which is supposedly so homoerotic is there for one reason, the ladies. It’s the same reason the love scene got tacked onto the movie. Female test audience members wanted it.

    Otherwise, it’s guys in a highly competitive environment.

    I agree totally. The homoerotic themes in the movie exist only in the warped minds of people who want them to be there.

  248. @Jim Christian
    All you have to do is look 50 years back to see the vicious decline today:

    https://i.redd.it/nk7m45nxdaky.png

    Nice advertisement but I doubt it ran much of anywhere. However National Airlines ruled when they ran the famous “Fly Me” advertisements. https://tinyurl.com/y6edancb The Patriarchy was really happening back then! And gloriously!

  249. @Dave Pinsen
    Hard to top Heat.

    https://youtu.be/s3rv0BdxWfM

    Heat and Casino are the only DeNiro movies I like and I like them a lot/ Most of the others are dumb and pointless where DeNiro is playing DeNiro. Taxi Driver sucked and was stupid. I would probably like Good Fellas but have never seen this send up of pathetic low life Queens-Brooklyn gangsters. Though the laughing scene with Joe Pesci and Ray Liotta is 13 on a 10 scale.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    Ronin?
  250. @Steve Sailer
    Professional athletes tend to fly to Aspen to have their knees worked on by whoever is the Top Guy at the time.

    Professional athletes tend to fly to Aspen to have their knees worked on by whoever is the Top Guy at the time.

    Worked on is different these days. The really cool boys who have the money to spend….. They are getting their own stem cells injected into joints to heal them. No cutting and surgery. Injections are what is going on. On a lower level I have had prolotherapy injections in a problem knee and it worked on the ligaments and meniscus. Anyone who likes to know more see the three youTube Joe Rogan sessions with Ben Greenfield. https://www.bing.com/search?q=Joe+Rogan+sessions+with+Ben+Greenfield.&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN

  251. @Bigdicknick
    lizzos music is good.

    I wasn’t sure if you were being facetious so I checked out some of Lizzos songs. She’s not bad, much better that Taylor Swift or Ariana grande. Her music comes off as poppy, melodious, non threatening, and non psychotic. It sounds like something white people would like listening to. It isn’t aggressively anti authoritarian. Lizzo is 5’10”, too bad she’s 100+ lbs overweight, if not she’d be a pretty girl.

  252. @Rosie

    Women are going to want what they want–high status, big swinging dick men, good genes, lots of goodies.
     
    So you admit AnotherMom was interested in you even though you had nothing? Do you not think she could have hooked up with some rich old man if she wanted?

    https://youtu.be/PUy7EzqEP0I


    Bride 34
    Groom 58
     
    Melania Trump married a billionaire old fart, therefore it's ok for fatass men to demand that their wives diet for the rest of their lives.

    Women are attracted to young men just like men are attracted to young women. I know that from experience 😉 . Young people of either sex are better looking and more fertile.

  253. @Anon
    Eh, she's not horrible. But she's 49, sold a lot of books, married, has two kids, and ought to be content with her accomplishments in life. Instead, with her blonde dye job and high heels (what female writer wears high heels? Only a nutcase would bother), indicate she's having one big, fat mid-life crisis. Being female, she's not out buying a sports car, but obsessing over her looks and crying into her mirror at home. She's too neurotic to ever be content.

    Find some other photos of her. Hideous. And the front-butt doesn’t help her case either.

  254. @El Dato
    A victim of Kekko Kamen?

    Her finishing move, the Oppiroge Jump (おっぴろげジャンプ, "Pubic Hair Jump"), involves her leaping into the air, spreading her legs, and landing groin-first on her typically male opponent's face, which knocks him out.
     

    Thank you for introducing me to this product of the ever-surprising Japanese imagination. Like the Power Rangers, if the Power Rangers were nude. There are movies featuring Kekko Kamen viewable on-line.

  255. @Dave Pinsen
    Kelly McGillis is 62 and came out as a lesbian 10 years ago. The trailer for Top Gun 2 looks great, btw.

    https://twitter.com/topgunmovie/status/1151933656576823296?s=21

    Looks a lot better than Kelly McGinnis:

  256. @Steve Sailer
    Professional athletes tend to fly to Aspen to have their knees worked on by whoever is the Top Guy at the time.

    Sorry, Steve, but top athletes tend to fly to Birmingham, Alabama to see the Top Guy, Dr. James Andrews.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Andrews_(physician)

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2019/08/18/chris-sale-have-elbow-examined-james-andrews-monday/mpl2MLmNMuGpk4fXIFkkqK/story.html

    I’ll grant that Steadman does a good knee.

  257. @Achmed E. Newman
    Haha, Mr. McKenna, you bring up a good point. I didn't think about it then, but now you reminded me of a scene from the old Family Ties TV show. I've tried to find it on youtube to no avail.

    Alex Keating and his friend went to W. Virginia to go drinking because the drinking age was lower (good times, good times!), and they had convinced a couple of young ladies at the bar that they were both fighter pilots. They were to "invade Canada in the morning." (He wasn't thinking too quick on his feet.) Then, Mrs. Keating, who come to think of it, was pretty young to be those 4 kids' Mom in that show, drove down from Ohio to get them. Hilarity ensued.

    Mallory was HOT... just sayin'...

    Meredith Baxter Birney (“Mrs. Keaton”) – like Kelly McGillis after her – later decided to be a homosexual. Both claim men violently attacked or abused them – although Meredith Baxter Birney probably lied about it for tactical advantages during her divorce (as nearly all females will).

    The Keatons, of course, could drive to West Virginia because they lived in Ohio, just as the Connors and Bundys lived in Illinois, the Tanners lived in Michigan, the golden girls lived in Florida, the designing women lived in Atlanta, the Taylors North Carolina, and so on.

    Nowadays, of course, almost all characters on television live in (or very near) Los Angeles, New York, or maybe San Francisco or Chicago – it’s a result of the emphasis on diversity that every character and story is in the same three or four cities along the coasts with more or less the same globo-homogenised culture, you see….

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I had no idea of Miss's Birney's switching sides, as it were. I make an effort NOT to keep up with this stuff - I just enjoyed that show (the reruns) back then.

    Then, you had the Romanos, living in India-noplace. My Dad, Auto, used to complain even back then about he subtle agenda. He was right - Miss Romano was supposed to be one to admire, the single mom raising her two young ones, one of whom had the only 2 or 3 reasons (on her) to watch the show to begin with. Did we ever learn what happened to her husband, or had she done a Meredith Baxter Birney? Schneider was kind of keen on her, but no, not good enough for Mizz glamorous single mom.

    Oh, and if my Dad were around, don't get him started on when TF Mary Tyler Moore, aka, Mary Richards, will ever settle down with a guy. Actually, there's no chance of that at this point ...

    I got off your point - you are right that now only the big cities are considered glamorous and the places to be, when you live on TV. Boston for Cheers, then Seattle for the spin-off with the psychologist. Wait, who the heck are the Tanners?
  258. @Reg Cæsar

    Professional athletes tend to fly to Aspen to have their knees worked on by whoever is the Top Guy at the time.
     
    Before boarding a small aircraft in Colorado, make sure the pilot knows it's Aspen you want:


    The Sex Change Capital of The U.S.

    In the Age of Caitlyn Jenner, Trinidad Is No Longer World's Sex-Change Capital

    OBITUARIES
    Sex-Change Pioneer, Dr. Stanley Biber


    Biber also trained dozens of other surgeons in sex reassignment surgery techniques and maintained a regular surgical practice of delivering babies, removing tonsils, and replacing knee and hip joints.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Biber


     

    His specialty appears to be subtraction.

    His specialty appears to be subtraction.

    Good take. He extracts everything but a bad molar.

  259. @Known Fact
    I'll stick to the meticulously plotted original TV series, thank you -- including the much needed comic relief whenever Peter Graves, Greg Morris or Peter Lupus attempt a foreign accent or any other form of "acting"

    I’ll stick to the meticulously plotted original TV series, thank you — including the much needed comic relief whenever Peter Graves, Greg Morris or Peter Lupus attempt a foreign accent or any other form of “acting”

    Funny, that. Perfect Storm, Dianne Lane, faking a Gloucester accent. If you live up here, you find it’s beyond ridiculous. Asked about it, Clooney said something to the effect that his slight NY accent would have to do. Fake it til you make it doesn’t cut it in New England.

  260. @Autochthon
    Meredith Baxter Birney ("Mrs. Keaton") – like Kelly McGillis after her – later decided to be a homosexual. Both claim men violently attacked or abused them – although Meredith Baxter Birney probably lied about it for tactical advantages during her divorce (as nearly all females will).

    The Keatons, of course, could drive to West Virginia because they lived in Ohio, just as the Connors and Bundys lived in Illinois, the Tanners lived in Michigan, the golden girls lived in Florida, the designing women lived in Atlanta, the Taylors North Carolina, and so on.

    Nowadays, of course, almost all characters on television live in (or very near) Los Angeles, New York, or maybe San Francisco or Chicago – it's a result of the emphasis on diversity that every character and story is in the same three or four cities along the coasts with more or less the same globo-homogenised culture, you see....

    I had no idea of Miss’s Birney’s switching sides, as it were. I make an effort NOT to keep up with this stuff – I just enjoyed that show (the reruns) back then.

    Then, you had the Romanos, living in India-noplace. My Dad, Auto, used to complain even back then about he subtle agenda. He was right – Miss Romano was supposed to be one to admire, the single mom raising her two young ones, one of whom had the only 2 or 3 reasons (on her) to watch the show to begin with. Did we ever learn what happened to her husband, or had she done a Meredith Baxter Birney? Schneider was kind of keen on her, but no, not good enough for Mizz glamorous single mom.

    Oh, and if my Dad were around, don’t get him started on when TF Mary Tyler Moore, aka, Mary Richards, will ever settle down with a guy. Actually, there’s no chance of that at this point …

    I got off your point – you are right that now only the big cities are considered glamorous and the places to be, when you live on TV. Boston for Cheers, then Seattle for the spin-off with the psychologist. Wait, who the heck are the Tanners?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Home Improvement was about the Taylors, not the Tanners; I can spell but not always type.
  261. @Jim Christian

    McGillis may have given off an unusual vibe, but if so, it blended well into the overall homoerotic tone of the movie.
     
    Ha! Jeff, spoken like a true homosexual. Well done.

    Well … cough, cough … you know, I’m not speaking about my personal preferences, you understand. I’m just commenting, as, you know, a dispassionate film critic.

    But seriously, the homosexual vibe of Top Gun is not exactly a secret. Someone else already posted Tarantino’s monologue on Top Gun on this website.

    For Christ’s sake, two of the songs on the soundtrack were “Playing with the Boys” and “Danger Zone.”

  262. @Richard S
    Well it’s basic evolutionary biology, isn’t it? Men can become fathers throughout their adult lives, but women become infertile in middle age.

    One of the most ludicrous falsehoods propagated by NYT opinion columnist types (dot dot dot) is that attractiveness isn’t objective. But of course it is. Health, youth and fitness in females are objectively attractive, while the power to provide security and comfort is objectively attractive in males.

    How Mr Sailer manages to read through these transparent culture-wrecking lies every day and not grind his teeth into dust, or go on some sorta rampage with his golf clubs, I’ll never know..

    How Mr Sailer manages to read through these transparent culture-wrecking lies every day and not grind his teeth into dust, or go on some sorta rampage with his golf clubs,…

    That’s probably what he IS doing, while our comments sit in moderation … [/muttering]

  263. @Clyde
    Heat and Casino are the only DeNiro movies I like and I like them a lot/ Most of the others are dumb and pointless where DeNiro is playing DeNiro. Taxi Driver sucked and was stupid. I would probably like Good Fellas but have never seen this send up of pathetic low life Queens-Brooklyn gangsters. Though the laughing scene with Joe Pesci and Ray Liotta is 13 on a 10 scale.

    Ronin?

  264. @Buzz Mohawk
    I was thinking about writing a clever comment about your line of thinking here, but I've got to get to the store and pick up a supply of adult diapers. I'm positively in the grasp of a EuroMILF pussy and I don't want to shit all over myself laughing at you.

    Are you sure she’s not a GGMILF, Buzz?

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Maybe just one G. I married a decade younger, so that when I'm 90 she'll only be 80, just a babe. Pretty smart, huh?
  265. @Richard S
    Lol no worries comrade, I know, I was just being a wee bit polemical 😉

    Anyway, the propaganda notion that old wine tastes any less acrid and unpleasant than the rest is a French merchants’ trick.

    I guess they persuaded degenerated aristos that such-and-such a vintage was particulièrement piquant, making its ownership a more highly sought after status symbol.

    Like the nouveau riche of our own era and its crass commodity fetishism.

    To torture the metaphor; if treated correctly in a controlled environment, “milk” can indeed be induced to provide a wide range of valuable products that remain delicious for a good long while 😀

    wwebd said – You have no idea what you are talking about with respect to wine.

    Imagine you know much more than you know about grape vines, about weather, about irrigation, natural and artificial, about the multi-generational history of vineyards, about the difference between good workmanship and bad workmanship, about the difference in taste between rainwater and river water, about so many many other things that you have never thought about —-

    and then tell me you know what you are talking about with respect to wine.

    I guess you think there is no difference between Islay Scotch and sweet Jim Beam.

    Show some respect for the culture in which you were born, Richard.

    • Replies: @Richard S
    Lol, is Éireannach mé, is fearr liom ár uisce beatha 😘
    , @Jim Christian

    I guess you think there is no difference between Islay Scotch and sweet Jim Beam.
     
    Since you mentioned Islay, I'll take two fingers, couple of rocks, I'll bring the cigars. Since you mentioned wine, I'll say I knew some folks up in the hills outside DC, Shenandoah Valley in Virginia, they put up lots of vineyards out there in the 90s. It is a killing, painstaking business. "F" it up anywhere in the process all the OTHER work was for naught. Fair takes.
  266. @Reg Cæsar

    Professional athletes tend to fly to Aspen to have their knees worked on by whoever is the Top Guy at the time.
     
    Before boarding a small aircraft in Colorado, make sure the pilot knows it's Aspen you want:


    The Sex Change Capital of The U.S.

    In the Age of Caitlyn Jenner, Trinidad Is No Longer World's Sex-Change Capital

    OBITUARIES
    Sex-Change Pioneer, Dr. Stanley Biber


    Biber also trained dozens of other surgeons in sex reassignment surgery techniques and maintained a regular surgical practice of delivering babies, removing tonsils, and replacing knee and hip joints.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Biber


     

    His specialty appears to be subtraction.

    His specialty appears to be subtraction.

    Probably an AA Med student then. A serious sex-change doctor would specialize in doing the adedictome.

  267. @anonymous
    wwebd said - You have no idea what you are talking about with respect to wine.

    Imagine you know much more than you know about grape vines, about weather, about irrigation, natural and artificial, about the multi-generational history of vineyards, about the difference between good workmanship and bad workmanship, about the difference in taste between rainwater and river water, about so many many other things that you have never thought about ----

    and then tell me you know what you are talking about with respect to wine.

    I guess you think there is no difference between Islay Scotch and sweet Jim Beam.

    Show some respect for the culture in which you were born, Richard.

    Lol, is Éireannach mé, is fearr liom ár uisce beatha 😘

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Nil Saoi Gan Locht ....

    treat yourself to an Ardbegs you deserve it
  268. @Achmed E. Newman
    I had no idea of Miss's Birney's switching sides, as it were. I make an effort NOT to keep up with this stuff - I just enjoyed that show (the reruns) back then.

    Then, you had the Romanos, living in India-noplace. My Dad, Auto, used to complain even back then about he subtle agenda. He was right - Miss Romano was supposed to be one to admire, the single mom raising her two young ones, one of whom had the only 2 or 3 reasons (on her) to watch the show to begin with. Did we ever learn what happened to her husband, or had she done a Meredith Baxter Birney? Schneider was kind of keen on her, but no, not good enough for Mizz glamorous single mom.

    Oh, and if my Dad were around, don't get him started on when TF Mary Tyler Moore, aka, Mary Richards, will ever settle down with a guy. Actually, there's no chance of that at this point ...

    I got off your point - you are right that now only the big cities are considered glamorous and the places to be, when you live on TV. Boston for Cheers, then Seattle for the spin-off with the psychologist. Wait, who the heck are the Tanners?

    Home Improvement was about the Taylors, not the Tanners; I can spell but not always type.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I see. Those were the Michigan Taylors, not the Mt. Airy Taylors.
  269. @Achmed E. Newman
    Are you sure she's not a GGMILF, Buzz?

    Maybe just one G. I married a decade younger, so that when I’m 90 she’ll only be 80, just a babe. Pretty smart, huh?

  270. @Richard S
    Lol, is Éireannach mé, is fearr liom ár uisce beatha 😘

    Nil Saoi Gan Locht ….

    treat yourself to an Ardbegs you deserve it

    • Replies: @Richard S
    Lol, a red wine *and* Scotch bore, eh? You must be great craic at parties! 🤣

    We Irish will stick to the good quality (domestic market) stuff thanks, and let the Scotchies keep selling their formaldehyde and pickling-vinegar to gumptionless foreigners for the hard currency they’ll need come November ☺️

  271. @anonymous
    Nil Saoi Gan Locht ....

    treat yourself to an Ardbegs you deserve it

    Lol, a red wine *and* Scotch bore, eh? You must be great craic at parties! 🤣

    We Irish will stick to the good quality (domestic market) stuff thanks, and let the Scotchies keep selling their formaldehyde and pickling-vinegar to gumptionless foreigners for the hard currency they’ll need come November ☺️

  272. @Achmed E. Newman
    It won't matter a hill of beans to me. I wouldn't see it. I'm not gonna see it the way it is now. Why in the hell would I want to watch a remake of a mid-80's movie about training for flying dogfights and the suspense in naval aviation in the Cold War era? The Cold War is long over, and they're not even featuring the newest fighters, per a guy above.

    WTF? Is Hollywood completely out of any ideas besides PC versions of comic books?

    The Cold War is long over, and they’re not even featuring the newest fighters, per a guy above.

    Achmed, I’m not so sure you’re seeing the whole Cold War picture, I hope you’re right, but the Deep State has other ideas about the Cold War.

    As for the ‘newest fighters? The Top Gun franchise is Navy. Newest for the Navy means the F-35. That plane’s forte isn’t canyon-carving, doesn’t much need a tailhook and likely would be Not Mission Capable when the producers needed the planes for their stunts and filming. All that makes the newest Navy fighter completely inappropriate, heh. Cruise is lucky the F-18s are still available. There was no way they were going to put him into the equivalent of a bent-shit can of a helicopter with wings. It’s the wheel chair of Naval Aviation and I doubt the Navy would even permit the showing of a fighter that is a distinct step backward from even the F-14 Tomcat (let alone the F/A 18) used in the original. Those of course, are all in the bone yards as are my beloved A6E Intruders.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The F-14 and F-15 were pretty amazing 45+ years ago.

    Is there a good popular history of America achieving air supremacy in the Cold War?

    , @GeologyAnon
    They are probably using the super bug instead of a 35 because you can take an NFO with you in a bug for dialog purposes, which you can't do in a 35. So I imagine that's 100% a screenwriting decision and not something picked by NAVAIR.

    And the idea that a 35C can't into low levels or "canyon carving" as you call it, is dumb.

    F14 was pulled too early and the A6 should still be flying today, I have no idea why they didn't reactivate the 100 or so frames that had just finished getting reengineed and refurbed but were mothballed for the A12 when that project fell through. I assume it was some kind of "fuck you" to Grumman over the Avenger debacle but damn if they would not have been perfect for the wars we have been fighting lately. Everyone talks about the inferior energy generation of the F18, but the real crisis the fleet has been facing for 20 years isn't in OCA/DCA but in anemic strike loads.
  273. @Jim Christian

    The Cold War is long over, and they’re not even featuring the newest fighters, per a guy above.
     
    Achmed, I'm not so sure you're seeing the whole Cold War picture, I hope you're right, but the Deep State has other ideas about the Cold War.

    As for the 'newest fighters? The Top Gun franchise is Navy. Newest for the Navy means the F-35. That plane's forte isn't canyon-carving, doesn't much need a tailhook and likely would be Not Mission Capable when the producers needed the planes for their stunts and filming. All that makes the newest Navy fighter completely inappropriate, heh. Cruise is lucky the F-18s are still available. There was no way they were going to put him into the equivalent of a bent-shit can of a helicopter with wings. It's the wheel chair of Naval Aviation and I doubt the Navy would even permit the showing of a fighter that is a distinct step backward from even the F-14 Tomcat (let alone the F/A 18) used in the original. Those of course, are all in the bone yards as are my beloved A6E Intruders.
    http://www.seaforces.org/usnair/VA/Attack-Squadron-35-Dateien/image137.jpg

    The F-14 and F-15 were pretty amazing 45+ years ago.

    Is there a good popular history of America achieving air supremacy in the Cold War?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    How about during the era of the century-series fighters, Steve. Imagine, new model fighters with better and better specs coming out every YEAR, almost at the rate of CCR albums a decade or 2 later! (Was this slightly before your Dad's time at Lockheed?)

    Now it takes 2 decades to see a new fighter, like waiting for the next Boston album. Then there is the new American expression: "Development money has a quality of its own." or something like that.
  274. @Steve Sailer
    The F-14 and F-15 were pretty amazing 45+ years ago.

    Is there a good popular history of America achieving air supremacy in the Cold War?

    How about during the era of the century-series fighters, Steve. Imagine, new model fighters with better and better specs coming out every YEAR, almost at the rate of CCR albums a decade or 2 later! (Was this slightly before your Dad’s time at Lockheed?)

    Now it takes 2 decades to see a new fighter, like waiting for the next Boston album. Then there is the new American expression: “Development money has a quality of its own.” or something like that.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian

    “Development money has a quality of its own.”
     
    Achmed, during the Elizabeth Holmes debacle (Theranos) I read the best supporting statement to that;, "Fake it til you make it".
  275. @Autochthon
    Home Improvement was about the Taylors, not the Tanners; I can spell but not always type.

    I see. Those were the Michigan Taylors, not the Mt. Airy Taylors.

  276. Steve, The USNI has a good collection of scribblings regarding Naval and Air Force Aviation. Navy Matters has a huge list of Naval Air collections, here: https://navy-matters.blogspot.com/ .Certain fiction/non-fiction books such as Flight of the Intruder showcase a lot of the problems of so-called air supremacy. Air supremacy is a problematic concept when you’re flying in an environment where the folks on the ground are fighting back with missiles and serious gunnery, such as Vietnam. Now, in Syria, the U.S. and Israel are hamstrung by the missile environment, there are numerous NOTAMs overlaying the map of Syria that are completely No-Go because of Russian air defenses.

    I personally believe the Top Gun schools are obsolete, unnecessary gaming at great expense teaching pilots to dog fight. I’m sure Top Gun as practiced at Fightertown in Miramar and in Fallon Nevada is great fun but there ARE no dog fights, there is only bombing. Get in, get out. There is no one out there flying against us since Vietnam and THAT was pathetic. The F-35 is no dog-fighter, it’s just a dog. It’s a system, not an extension of the pilot, not anymore. Stealthy? I don’t buy it. That last drone that was shot down has the stealth of roughly the F35 and Iran shot it right down.

    Anyway, who gives a shit what I think anyway? Play golf anywhere interesting lately, Steve? Still hittin’ em straight?

    • Replies: @Yngvar
    There are stories floating that Israel already have flown the F-35 over Iran. On these matters the Israeli military are deadly serious, as they have demonstrated. The Lightning II will do fine.
  277. @Jim Christian

    The Cold War is long over, and they’re not even featuring the newest fighters, per a guy above.
     
    Achmed, I'm not so sure you're seeing the whole Cold War picture, I hope you're right, but the Deep State has other ideas about the Cold War.

    As for the 'newest fighters? The Top Gun franchise is Navy. Newest for the Navy means the F-35. That plane's forte isn't canyon-carving, doesn't much need a tailhook and likely would be Not Mission Capable when the producers needed the planes for their stunts and filming. All that makes the newest Navy fighter completely inappropriate, heh. Cruise is lucky the F-18s are still available. There was no way they were going to put him into the equivalent of a bent-shit can of a helicopter with wings. It's the wheel chair of Naval Aviation and I doubt the Navy would even permit the showing of a fighter that is a distinct step backward from even the F-14 Tomcat (let alone the F/A 18) used in the original. Those of course, are all in the bone yards as are my beloved A6E Intruders.
    http://www.seaforces.org/usnair/VA/Attack-Squadron-35-Dateien/image137.jpg

    They are probably using the super bug instead of a 35 because you can take an NFO with you in a bug for dialog purposes, which you can’t do in a 35. So I imagine that’s 100% a screenwriting decision and not something picked by NAVAIR.

    And the idea that a 35C can’t into low levels or “canyon carving” as you call it, is dumb.

    F14 was pulled too early and the A6 should still be flying today, I have no idea why they didn’t reactivate the 100 or so frames that had just finished getting reengineed and refurbed but were mothballed for the A12 when that project fell through. I assume it was some kind of “fuck you” to Grumman over the Avenger debacle but damn if they would not have been perfect for the wars we have been fighting lately. Everyone talks about the inferior energy generation of the F18, but the real crisis the fleet has been facing for 20 years isn’t in OCA/DCA but in anemic strike loads.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Concur all, except, the F-35 is a dog.
  278. @Achmed E. Newman
    How about during the era of the century-series fighters, Steve. Imagine, new model fighters with better and better specs coming out every YEAR, almost at the rate of CCR albums a decade or 2 later! (Was this slightly before your Dad's time at Lockheed?)

    Now it takes 2 decades to see a new fighter, like waiting for the next Boston album. Then there is the new American expression: "Development money has a quality of its own." or something like that.

    “Development money has a quality of its own.”

    Achmed, during the Elizabeth Holmes debacle (Theranos) I read the best supporting statement to that;, “Fake it til you make it”.

  279. @GeologyAnon
    They are probably using the super bug instead of a 35 because you can take an NFO with you in a bug for dialog purposes, which you can't do in a 35. So I imagine that's 100% a screenwriting decision and not something picked by NAVAIR.

    And the idea that a 35C can't into low levels or "canyon carving" as you call it, is dumb.

    F14 was pulled too early and the A6 should still be flying today, I have no idea why they didn't reactivate the 100 or so frames that had just finished getting reengineed and refurbed but were mothballed for the A12 when that project fell through. I assume it was some kind of "fuck you" to Grumman over the Avenger debacle but damn if they would not have been perfect for the wars we have been fighting lately. Everyone talks about the inferior energy generation of the F18, but the real crisis the fleet has been facing for 20 years isn't in OCA/DCA but in anemic strike loads.

    Concur all, except, the F-35 is a dog.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Concur all, except, the F-35 is a dog.
     
    Can't fight, can't run, can't hide.

    All this for $87 million a copy, down from 100!
  280. @anonymous
    wwebd said - You have no idea what you are talking about with respect to wine.

    Imagine you know much more than you know about grape vines, about weather, about irrigation, natural and artificial, about the multi-generational history of vineyards, about the difference between good workmanship and bad workmanship, about the difference in taste between rainwater and river water, about so many many other things that you have never thought about ----

    and then tell me you know what you are talking about with respect to wine.

    I guess you think there is no difference between Islay Scotch and sweet Jim Beam.

    Show some respect for the culture in which you were born, Richard.

    I guess you think there is no difference between Islay Scotch and sweet Jim Beam.

    Since you mentioned Islay, I’ll take two fingers, couple of rocks, I’ll bring the cigars. Since you mentioned wine, I’ll say I knew some folks up in the hills outside DC, Shenandoah Valley in Virginia, they put up lots of vineyards out there in the 90s. It is a killing, painstaking business. “F” it up anywhere in the process all the OTHER work was for naught. Fair takes.

  281. @Miss Laura
    Are her books shelved by COLOR?

    I think that’s a current design trend. For real.

  282. @Anon
    From Plomin's "Blueprint" from last year, the heritability of:

    -- Body weight = 70 percent (across all ages, 80 percent in adulthood)

    -- Schizophrenia = 50

    -- Autism = 70

    -- Reading disabilities = 60

    -- IQ = 50

    -- Personality = 40

    So it's not like you just tell a fat person to just push away from the table, any more than you tell an autistic to shake himself out of it or an anorectic to "just eat a fucking sandwich, you dumb bitch."

    You are what you are. It's built into your brain. There is no ghost in the machine to take over. Some of us are thin; some fat; some thin who became fat, then back to thin again, and then back to fat ...

    Environment matters, but most of environment we make ourselves. Plomin calls this the nature of nurture. Kevin Mitchell describes this self-chosen environmental as tending to "consolidate initial genetic differences."

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    Environment matters, but most of environment we make ourselves. Plomin calls this the nature of nurture. Kevin Mitchell describes this self-chosen environmental as tending to “consolidate initial genetic differences.”

    Jean Calvin called it predestination.

  283. @Jim Christian
    Steve, The USNI has a good collection of scribblings regarding Naval and Air Force Aviation. Navy Matters has a huge list of Naval Air collections, here: https://navy-matters.blogspot.com/ .Certain fiction/non-fiction books such as Flight of the Intruder showcase a lot of the problems of so-called air supremacy. Air supremacy is a problematic concept when you're flying in an environment where the folks on the ground are fighting back with missiles and serious gunnery, such as Vietnam. Now, in Syria, the U.S. and Israel are hamstrung by the missile environment, there are numerous NOTAMs overlaying the map of Syria that are completely No-Go because of Russian air defenses.

    I personally believe the Top Gun schools are obsolete, unnecessary gaming at great expense teaching pilots to dog fight. I'm sure Top Gun as practiced at Fightertown in Miramar and in Fallon Nevada is great fun but there ARE no dog fights, there is only bombing. Get in, get out. There is no one out there flying against us since Vietnam and THAT was pathetic. The F-35 is no dog-fighter, it's just a dog. It's a system, not an extension of the pilot, not anymore. Stealthy? I don't buy it. That last drone that was shot down has the stealth of roughly the F35 and Iran shot it right down.

    Anyway, who gives a shit what I think anyway? Play golf anywhere interesting lately, Steve? Still hittin' em straight?

    There are stories floating that Israel already have flown the F-35 over Iran. On these matters the Israeli military are deadly serious, as they have demonstrated. The Lightning II will do fine.

  284. @Jim Christian
    Concur all, except, the F-35 is a dog.

    Concur all, except, the F-35 is a dog.

    Can’t fight, can’t run, can’t hide.

    All this for $87 million a copy, down from 100!

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