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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

“Why Is Wokeness Winning?” asks veteran pundit Andrew Sullivan, recently fired by New York magazine for distressing its more fragile younger staffers by thinking for himself. …

I would add some additional considerations to Sullivan’s list.

First, we should admit that Wokeness is not Marxism, which is a theory about class rather than race. White people condemn Wokeness as Marxism because they aren’t brave enough to call it what it really is: anti-white racism.

Read the whole thing there.

Also, it’s time for the second iSteve fundraising drive of 2020.

Readers were most generous back in July, but now there are more bills to pay.

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  1. • Replies: @ChrisZ
    @Anonymous

    Funny to see the AP using the terms “regular citizens” and even “regular Americans.”

    Their appearance in a Trump ad (or even in casual conversation) would be a hate crime.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Almost Missouri

    , @jon
    @Anonymous

    From the thread:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkxzFvmXYAANObb?format=png&name=small
    https://twitter.com/TastyKAR/status/1318555339915206657/photo/1

    , @El Dato
    @Anonymous

    Its the Heat of the Moment!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsTasQET9UI

    , @Bill
    @Anonymous

    "look like regular citizens "

    They look like what AP thinks regular citizens look like. Which tells you something about AP.

    , @nebulafox
    @Anonymous

    Regular citizens who happen to have Molotov cocktails, block roads, and yell at/beat up passerby while being defended by the media.

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Jack Armstrong

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Anonymous

    Spoiled overgrown children who desperately need meaning in their life.

    , @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    Am I just imagining it or did the AP used to be distinguishable from Salon and HuffPo?

    , @JimDandy
    @Anonymous

    Mainstream Christianity was dead, but the human need for religion remained. Wokeness and SJW causes are the new religion, and this movement is filling the void in the spiritually bankrupt shells of existing churches--Catholics are polling +10 for Biden, and the Pope just endorsed civil unions for gays.

    , @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    With logic like this you'd expect simple pictures to replace headlines. Who (without knowing who they were would say Himmler or Heydrich or Beria) "looked like" a murderer?

  2. Wokeness is a cynical tactic by those who understand that race/gender is a stronger identity marker than class. The right-wing is unable to compete because they have spent their entire lives dismissing class consciousness and economic justice. So they cannot make that argument.

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.

    The answer is unironically race-blind solidarity, of the kind that the left used to champion but is now being denounced as ‘white privilege’. Even feminists can’t seem to agree without attacking so-called ‘white feminism’. I don’t think we’re fated to be at daggers drawn over matters of race. This is stoked deliberately from the top-down to avoid the yawning inequality of our times. Sadly, it seems the plebs are easily distracted.

    • Disagree: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Thulean Friend

    Where does the ethnomasochistic element go here?


    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.
     
    Does the petit bourgeois realize that calling to be put in chains (more than currently by financial obligations, that is), for his daughter to be knifed and for his house to be burnt down might actually make that happen? It seems very un-bourgeois. There needs to be a fat dose of some Brainrot Patent Recipe, regularly administered. What could it be?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anon

    , @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @Thulean Friend

    Race and Gender is a stronger identity marker than class, therefore the answer to Race and Gender Politics is race and gender blind class-centered civic nationalism.

    Guns and bombs are more effective weapons than bows and arrows, therefore the answer is sticks and stones.

    You truly are an idiot.

    , @utu
    @Thulean Friend

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s... - Because the left fulfilled its role once the new elite get itself established. Now this elite is playing for keeps by resorting to the divide and rule distraction that seems to almost always work. It should not be surprising that BLM was unleashed when the distraction by the usual means of sport events failed as the sport had to be cancelled due to the covid epidemic. As far as the easily distractible plebs it takes two to tango. Do not expect that here at the UR you find voices that can transcend the distraction.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Thulean Friend


    The right-wing is unable to compete because they have spent their entire lives dismissing class consciousness and economic justice.
     
    "Economic justice" = Everyone who has more than me stole it. Everyone who has less deserves it.

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle-class urban petit bourgeois.

     

    Ha! This is exactly what Gramsci spelled out. The Left is about power and nothing else. Any change has been on the surface. In tactics.

    race-blind solidarity

     

    Like this has ever worked anywhere. Races are different enough to perform differently. The less-successful race will always feel cheated, as will the more-successful one, in a different way. Both are right.

    Races form their own classes. That are easier to see than the non-color-coded ones.

    Haven't you ever wondered why black Americans still speak with a Southern accent four or five generations away from Dixie? Were they tricked into doing so?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Thulean Friend

    The answer is unironically race-blind solidarity ...

    What in history suggests that this is the answer? You are as stuck in the 1960s as those you criticize.

    Perhaps the answer is the one that worked best throughout history: Separation by tribe so that different ethnic/racial groups can live under laws and cultures suited to their biology.

    When the United States was ~90% White and lived by laws and a culture designed for Whites (and imposed on non-Whites), we were effectively following that path even as we pretended to be color-blind.

    We were never a color-blind society, no society ever is. Time to put away childish things.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @John Johnson
    @Thulean Friend

    Wokeness is a cynical tactic by those who understand that race/gender is a stronger identity marker than class.

    I would describe it as a cynical tactic by those that understand that race and gender do in fact have a biological basis which causes problems for left-wing plans. Much more so for race than gender. But most foot soldiers of Wokeness are unaware of its truth-rejecting nature and truly believe it is all The Science(tm) as their professors told them.

    The left basically decided that they couldn't win without getting rid of Whites. Since that goal is not possible for them to accomplish through violence they switched to miscegenation and denigration. Turn Whites into a hated minority and chip away at their accomplishments.

    Many here talk about Marx as only being for economic change but he was eager to erase European identity and history. That tells me he lacked confidence in his plans. If you really believed that Communism would outpace everything then you would be fine with teaching history. What I am getting at is that the left was never that confident in beating capitalist White countries. So in some ways cultural Marxism/Wokesterism is new but in other ways it is not.

    , @AndrewR
    @Thulean Friend

    Permanent racial solidarity is impossible given the stark differences between the races. But in the short term, goyim of every race would benefit by teaming up to oppose Jewish Supremacy. That must be our primary goal: to make everyone aware of, and against, Jewish Supremacy. We have no other choice.

    , @Cloudbuster
    @Thulean Friend

    The answer is unironically race-blind solidarity, of the kind that the left used to champion but is now being denounced as ‘white privilege’.

    No, that ship has sailed.

    , @Eagle Eye
    @Thulean Friend


    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.
     
    Great observation. At first blush, "upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois" is a contradiction in terms. But it is quite true that America in 2020 is notably afflicted with the phenomenon of an "upper middle class" afflicted with all the insecurities and self-presentation of the "petit bourgeois" ridiculed by Marx and his early disciples.

    Insecurity due to precarious financial situation - mortgage and other debts, and credentialist minefields blocking professional advancement in the next generation.
  3. Female suffrage – downstream consequences only now felt; Catlady staffed DeepState + politicians.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
    @David 'The Diversity Mastermind' Lammey

    Time to secede.

    Replies: @Kronos

    , @Cloudbuster
    @David 'The Diversity Mastermind' Lammey

    Especially if they are named "Rosie."

  4. Wow.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Enough with the "wow" already.

    This news means nothing, nothing I tell you unless the pictures show "Pop" nuzzling or with his hands on these "underage girls."

    And if they do, this is old news!

    , @Pericles
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Mistake to turn the evidence over to the police of the Senator's home state. In the Weiner laptop case, once it was turned over to the NYC police we never heard of all those copied Hillary emails again.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    , @MEH 0910
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1318785312466882562

    Replies: @Anon, @Patrick in SC, @J.Ross

    , @Mike_from_SGV
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Irrelevant noise even if true. Hunter Biden is not on the ballot.

    Replies: @TWS, @Rob Lee, @AndrewR

    , @Johnny Smoggins
    @JohnnyWalker123

    So far, the "pictures of underage girls" seem to be just that, not pictures of underage girls nude or having sex.

    The real issue here is the corruption, the pay for access to VP Biden, but of course Republicans are too stupid to see that. It would be just like Trump and the Republicans to blow this gift that was handed to them by pursuing some stupid phantom rather than the real crime.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Remember when "Billy Beer" was the big Presidential family scandal?

  5. It’s been winning because we’ve let it, but the Chris Rufo/Tucker/Trump combo shows it’s not impossible to turn the tide. If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector. With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @jon
    @Dave Pinsen


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example.
     
    Coinbase has already pulled the trigger:

    60 Employees Leave Coinbase Over CEO’s Pledge To Be Apolitical
     
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/10/08/60-employees-leave-coinbase-over-ceos-pledge-to-be-apolitical/#5ee218085a06

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Dave Pinsen, @Steve in Greensboro

    , @Bill
    @Dave Pinsen

    The GOP winning all through the 80s and 90s on cultural issues didn't result in any victories on the actual cultural issues. Abortion is still legal. School prayer is still not. And things have gotten much, much worse all through that era of GOP ascendancy and dominance.

    So, you ask, the GOP accomplished nothing with all its political power? Far from it. They cut taxes on rich people enormously. Unions are gone. Defense contractors have a nice, growing business. Wall St is deregulated, and the economy has been financialized to a massive degree. The GOP has had great success in doing what they actually care about.

    The Trump presidency follows this pattern to a T.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @dfordoom

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Dave Pinsen

    Can I borrow some of your optimism?

    , @No0biE
    @Dave Pinsen

    Seems like a naive projection to me. Not sure how long it's been since you've worked in corporate america, but F500 ceos and their HR departments are 110% behind the accelerating woke train. There will be no competitive advantage to breaking rank because the monopolistic gatekeepers (deep state, big finance, big tech, China) to industry will shun every business that does not sing the tune. Corporate america does not resemble the competitive capitalist environment that you learn about in econ 101 any more. As long as the gatekeepers are not broken up or regulated, and they continue pushing wokeness, it will continue...prossibly emboldened even further with a Trump win. Trump can't even bring his own FBI to heel, there isnt shit he will be able to do to corporate america.

    Only mass protests and boycotts will stop wokeness at this point, and there is very little appetite on the right for action due to media smears and weak republican leadership.

    , @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen


    It’s been winning because we’ve let it, but the Chris Rufo/Tucker/Trump combo shows it’s not impossible to turn the tide. If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive
     
    A TV show is not any kind of offensive. At best, it can inspire the troops to launch an actual offensive.

    to continue and spread to the private sector. With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example
     
    Look what happened to Darren Beattie. Why on earth would you believe Trump would stick his neck out for his supporters?

    This article of Steve's is really not his best work. He doesn't answer his own question? WHY are the "Realists" unable to defeat the "Left Moralists?" It's because of people like Dave Pinsen, who doesn't even know what it looks like to fight and win. He is the reason America is not great.
  6. The overwhelming majority of White “Woke” people don’t live around any high crime areas. It’s “cool” to support BLM, let’s see them show some courage and live in South Chicongo or any other War Zone run by inner-city Democrats.

  7. Too early to bow and accept defeat. Even some black ladies are tired of the wokesters:

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Sergeant Prepper

    Who is she?

  8. Because sane Whites started treating depraved liars like Sullivan as equals.

  9. The problem with classifying Wokeness as anti-white racism is that the most enthusiastically woke people are Whites. You need to explain why so many Whites hate their own race. In my opinion this a religious phenomenon, Christianity for people who don’t believe in God, with the Blacks as sacred martyrs and the Whites showing their piety by uplifting the sacred martyrs.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Hugo Silva

    That's clearly right. The multicult is an ersatz religion---it's a belief system which fits imperfectly into the religion-shaped receptor in the human mind. However, the credo of the multicult is anti-white racism.

    Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @pirelli

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Hugo Silva


    You need to explain why so many Whites hate their own race.
     
    Maybe a significant part of whites have a death wish, while most are, as usual in life, opportunists & moral cowards.
    , @Tex
    @Hugo Silva


    In my opinion this a religious phenomenon, Christianity for people who don’t believe in God, with the Blacks as sacred martyrs and the Whites showing their piety by uplifting the sacred martyrs.
     
    That's an astute observation. Note though that Wokeness lacks any form of forgiveness or redemption from sin. Being Woke means you are never saved, never forgiven, alive only when making some other poor slob pay for the Original Sin of Un-Wokeness.
    , @AndrewR
    @Hugo Silva

    (((Whose))) lead are these whites following tho??

    There is a religious aspect to this but we also have to examine cultural/social/financial/legal incentives. The religiousness aspect to Wokeness is admittedly real but ultimately negligible in most meaningful aspects. The dumb whites who unironically buy into wokeness are pawns aka NPCs. They would fall in line of we were in charge.

    , @Corvinus
    @Hugo Silva

    "You need to explain why so many Whites hate their own race".

    Except we don't hate ourselves nor members of our own race. Do not we as white people have agency to make our own decisions, even if those choices whom you personally disagree with?

    OR, must all or most white people succumb to your demands? Would that not be kow-towing to your elitism? Would we not be subject to your own brand of indoctrination?

    , @dfordoom
    @Hugo Silva


    The problem with classifying Wokeness as anti-white racism is that the most enthusiastically woke people are Whites. You need to explain why so many Whites hate their own race.
     
    White liberals do not hate themselves. They think they're the most awesome most enlightened people who ever walked the Earth. But they don't see things in terms of race. They see things in terms of class, and culture. They have a white-hot burning hatred for a particular kind of white culture.

    They love upper middle class and elite white culture. They hate and despise the kind of white culture that they associate with the white working class and with rural whites. They hate what they see as the God, guns and patriotism variety of white culture. They hate white people who like NASCAR racing.

    For white liberals it's all about class hatred. And they define class through the lens of culture.

    Wokeism is just another way of attacking the particular kind of white culture that they hate so much.

    White liberals see themselves as liberals, not whites.
  10. Because the communists are well-organized, well-funded, and have been preparing for decades in this country to do it.

    And yes it is Marxism. It’s just Marxism flavored by leftist think-tank rhetoric so as to try to slip it past us.

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
    • Disagree: Thulean Friend, Kronos
    • Replies: @Kronos
    @R.G. Camara

    It’s a devil of a question. Are the Cultural Marxists actually Marxist?

    https://www.amazon.com/Rising-Star-Making-Barack-Obama/dp/0062641832

    In David Garrow’s “Rising Star” book you get a sense that Garrow (who’s an actual socialist) has a level of contempt for Bill Ayers. That there is a large (yet unspoken) division between those who remained genuine socialists/communists after the 1960s (Garrow) and those who “sold out” (Ayers.)

    It might be better differentiated between those who supported 1960s Marxism for economic reasons (supporting working families) against those who supported it for cultural reasons (abolishing sexual norms rooted in Christianity.) The Weather Underground was notorious for their sexual orgies “the army that fucks together fights together” was a common slogan. (If you were a clever CIA/FBI agent trying to sow discord amongst communist groups in 1960s America, trying to triangulate the culturally-focused marxists might’ve been a good strategy.)

    After the 1960s, it’s likely Ayers and his ilk essentially abandoned traditional Marxism and actually found Capitalist consumerism to be a better vehicle for culturally transforming America. If that was the case the Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrns of the 1960s largely won in that cultural objective. In the book Ayers introduced Obama to “Woke Capital” in terms of private donors and various foundations. (Ayers later obtained a Ph.D specializing In elementary education and worked with Obama on Chicago schools. Of course he’d attack people like Arther Jensen publishing work that’ll threaten his bread and butter.) That world of foundation grants and networks paved to the way for Obama’s political career.

    , @MBlanc46
    @R.G. Camara

    It’s what American Marxism has morphed into over the past half century. When “da workers” declined to join in the revolution of the 1960s, and even actively opposed it in some instances, Marxists and other Leftists saw that they needed another wedge with which to penetrate and destroy Western society. They’d been beating the race drum for decades, so it wasn’t very difficult to move race front and center. Feminism was already stirring, and women were brought under the umbrella of the oppressed. By the end of the sixties, sexual deviants were added to the mix. While they still sometimes talk about the holy trinity of race, class, and sex (they say “gender”, but they mean sex), class gets a look in only when the workers are women and people of color. Yes, a few of our Leftists are Marxists. Most of them are not. Up until the first half of the 1960s, they would have Marxists, had they been around, but these days they are “wokists”.

  11. One day, someday, white men must finally realise that the informing current of the ideology being promulgated by The Economist magazine, which is *the* lodestone of the entire western political class is nothing more and nothing less than the *merciless and unremitting extirpation and destruction of the white race*.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Anonymous

    And it will come as no surprise that the closely held company that publishes The Economist is owned by the Rothschilds and Agnellis

    https://www.politico.eu/article/agnellis-rothschilds-close-in-on-economist-magazine-sale-pearson/

    So, good populist credentials there.

  12. Maybe the Hispanics will save us like Ron says?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Redneck farmer

    Destroying the village to save it. Re-sculpturing all the Jefferson and Washington statues into Ibram X. Kendi statues to save them.

    It’s only our reimagination.

    (not criticizing your comment, RF)

  13. White people condemn Wokeness as Marxism because they aren’t brave enough to call it what it really is: antiwhite racism.

    Yes, it’s anti-Whitism. And like a battered wife they’re too afraid to admit what’s happening.

    Secondly, while addressing racial differences realistically would be great, that’s not driving all this. It’s the anti-Whitism. This isn’t a knowledge problem that requires education. Rather, it’s a desire for power along with sadism on the part of those who hate Whites, and masochism on the part of many Whites.

    As long as Whites get off on being Good Doggies, someone will be around to torment the suckers.

  14. The woke are winning because we would rather have entire way of life destroyed and families dispossessed than be seen to be rude by pointing out a few home truths. The Obama people are right, we are cowards.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
    @LondonBob


    The woke are winning because we would rather have entire way of life destroyed and families dispossessed than be seen to be rude by pointing out a few home truths. The Obama people are right, we are cowards.

     

    Speak for yourself, Bob.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  15. Re ‘it’s not Marxism’, there’s a general confusion flowing out of the ‘cultural Marxism’ label, the policies of which are indeed an inversion and denial of much of classical Marxism

    But – Wokism IS ‘Cultural Marxism’

    ‘Cultural Marxism’ is called that way, because it is a new phase for the same people who used to be classical Marxists, and it is a method for achieving the essential Leninist goal, using Leninist means:

    (1) A dictatorship of elites claiming to ‘serve the people’
    (2) Achieving power by weaponising sets of minorities against the middle mass of citizens, and
    (3) Especially targeting the destruction of the ‘petit bourgeois’ middle class, the intrinsic fountain of resistance to communist dictatorship.

    ‘Fascism’ supported petit bourgeois; ‘communism’ levels most plebs under a narrow elite.

    Historically, the figures who set up cultural Marxism – which we now experience as ‘Wokism’ – figures such as Lukacs and Gramsci and then the Frankfurt School and above all Herbert Marcuse, quite leading into the Wokism of today – saw that outside of poor countries such as 1917 Russia, the revolution was impossible in the West as long as petit bourgeois traditional family life was satisfying Western working classes.

    Therefore the goal of Leninists in the West, as defined by the significantly Jewish Cultural Marxists, was to destroy the family, and destroy all things sustaining traditional bourgeois life of the great middle class:
    – The ‘racist’ phrase began to be used, weaponising ethnic minorities
    – Migration was promoted, to destroy ethnic cohesion and create ethnic conflict
    – Gays and LGBT agenda was promoted, to demean conventional sexuality
    – Family-ruining divorce and feminism and sexual practices were fostered, including contraception, abortion, free love, easy divorce, some of which were concretely seen to create social chaos and anarchy in Moscow in the brief esperiment under Lenin after 1917, before Stalin restored the soft patriarchy
    – Those trying to hold on to traditional culture, across-the-board to be denounced as ‘fascists’ etc, ‘beyond the pale’, as in all the Woke stuff we see today

    In his Stalinist phase, Irish writer Gearóid Ó Colmáin, author of the striking ‘Coercive Engineered Migration’ series, dared to remind fellow leftists that Marx and Engels themselves denounced engineered ethnic migration as an oligarch tool of manipulation and destruction of working class people, and was anti-LGBT etc. But that’s old Marxism, not the new ‘cultural Marxism’.

    • Thanks: Kronos
    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @brabantian

    " Family-ruining divorce and feminism and sexual practices were fostered, including contraception,"

    So, under the cover of "save the White race" you want to implement alien episcopal supremacy and return us to the Dark Ages, eh? Try again, you Papist -- the Prots know!

    https://youtu.be/PDBjsFAyiwA

    In the immortal words of a Belfast graffito: Fuck the Next Pope!

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @brabantian

    You're only half-right. True, this is News Left, having most in common with Marcuse (but not the Frankfurt school of Adorno, Fromm, Wittfogel, Horkheimer, later Habermas, Benjamin,...). Basically, Marcuse was an obscurantist who enjoyed a brief time of glory during the 60's with his hatred towards rationality, science, misinterpretation of Freud, contempt for native working class & glorification of racial minorities' underclass, ...

    But it is far-fetched to think that his public excursus during 1968 has somehow remade the life so that US in 2020 is a continuation of Marcuse's idiocies. "Wokeness" is a phenomenon restricted to the US & parts of Anglosphere, with pockets elsewhere- but just pockets.

    Simply, it is an American idolization of blacks in sports & music, and perpetual portrayal of them in past 50 years as immaculate victims, hiding their violence & crimes, teaching fake history (black studies), disfiguring history & national-cultural identities... Also, US whites, and especially Anglo-Teutonic segment, seem to lack ethnic pride, elements of tribal mentality & real national pride. You won't find "wokeness" among whites in Brazil or in Colombia. American "nationalism" has, in past 50-60 years, become a weird combo of greed, worship of material success, rootless cosmopolitanism, negro worship, ... No wonder various newly arrived Asians & Hispanics won't have anything with it.

    As for Lenin etc.- you got most of it wrong. The central feature of Lenin's world-view is, apart from revenge to the old regime, Westernization of what he saw as barbaric Russia, and he was obsessed with extending revolution to the central Europe, especially Germany. "Racially"- if you wish that term- Leninism was about Europeanization of Asian Muslims, essentially crushing their Islamic religion & most of their historical civilization (with the exception of creative persons like Avicenna/Ibn Sina).

    Had Lenin succeeded fully, we don't now what would have been, but the willed outcome would be national emancipation from Berlin to Vladivostok, with whites expanding their rule over various Asians, simultaneously "liberating" Asian Muslims from most of their historical culture- all in a totalitarian structure.

    Most people here simply don't understand that Russian, Jewish, Polish, German, Lithuanian, Georgian, ... Communist rule would mean, both in practice & theory, the affirmation of dominance of Western, European culture & identity over non-European.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D

    , @Dube
    @brabantian

    But – Wokism IS ‘Cultural Marxism’

    Thank you, Brabantian. I found this 30 minute video, posted elsewhere at UR, to be a very good investment of time, explaining “critical race theory.” It’s an edition of The Rubin Report, and the guest is the journalist who recently prompted Trump to ban CRT. Well explained, including its derivation from Marxist class-oppression economic theory, through the Frankfurt School, into its translation as race-oppression theory. For those who missed it; pertinent here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbCmbLsW0r8

    , @L. Guapo
    @brabantian

    you have said it all in one post. thanks

  16. It’s really a caste system complete with inherited Karma, Blacks are high caste. It doesn’t matter what a low caste white Dalit does, he will never possess the inherent moral superiority of a black career criminal like George Floyd. George Floyd has superior Intersectional Karma.

    That is why Brahmins and Conquistadors are so keen on intersectionality when they move to our countries. They stand at the top of thier own caste ridden cultures and recognise Intersectionality as yet another caste system they can exploit.

    • Replies: @Francis Miville
    @Zoodles

    No. Blacks are for the most part shudras, White workers are dalits and chandaalas , Black delinquents are kshatriyas, White wokes are vaishyas, and Jews are Brahmins. George Floyd was a kshatriya.

  17. “White people condemn Wokeness as Marxism because they aren’t brave enough to call it what it really is: anti-white racism. ”
    Thankyou: + 1000

  18. Also:

    “Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man.”

    (Ignatius of Loyola or Aristotle–the classics never cease to amaze me.)

    Everyone laughed when they took over the teachers’ colleges, but it turned out to be a lot more important than anyone anticipated.

    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980 or so, so that might help someone smarter than me (or more versed in the fine history of American education) in picking this apart.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @SFG


    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980
     
    I know several white women and a few white men born in the late 70s that grew up on Main Street USA who are down with BLM and the rest of the Woke lunacy.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Curle

    , @R.G. Camara
    @SFG

    Critical Race Theory began in the late 1970s-1980s.

    , @Thea
    @SFG

    They took over the law schools in the 60’s as well but this app just begs the question,

    Where did they come from to take over education and law in the first place.


    We've long had this strain of puritanical self righteousness unfortunately.

    Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost, @dfordoom

    , @Thea
    @SFG

    They took over the law schools in the 60’s as well but this app just begs the question,

    Where did they come from to take over education and law in the first place.


    We've long had this strain of puritanical self righteousness unfortunately.

    , @Thulean Friend
    @SFG

    Catholic clergy sure loves to "be given" small children, without the prying eyes of their parents.

    Luther did nothing wrong.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @John Johnson
    @SFG

    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980 or so, so that might help someone smarter than me (or more versed in the fine history of American education) in picking this apart.

    It's more of a high/low cutoff or hourglass shape.

    You can see this in any left-wing rally, especially if it is feminist.

    Boomers and 18-24 year olds.

    Note that this is for wokeness and not simply voting Democrat. There is a huge middle that votes Democrat but is skeptical that all racial problems are a grand White conspiracy.

    , @Mark G.
    @SFG


    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980 or so, so that might help someone smarter than me (or more versed in the fine history of American education) in picking this apart.
     
    The eighties were when the older college professors started to retire and the sixties ex-radicals started taking their place in large numbers. This sudden decline in higher education was noticed at the time in a large number of books in the eighties and early nineties. Examples are "Imposters in the Temple" by Martin Anderson, "The Closing of the American Mind" by Allan Bloom, "Illiberal Education" by Dinesh D'Souza, "Tenured Radicals" by Roger Kimball, "The National Review College Guide" by Brad Miner, "The War Against the Intellect" by Peter Shaw, "Inside American Education" by Thomas Sowell, and "Profscam" by Charles Sykes.

    In addition to higher education getting worse, you also had many more young people attending these institutions where they would be subjected to four or more years of liberal indoctrination. In earlier eras a higher percentage of these young people would not have been in college.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @James O'Meara
    @SFG

    "Everyone laughed when they took over the teachers’ colleges, but it turned out to be a lot more important than anyone anticipated."

    Please don't confuse "STEM nerds, IQ fetishists and iSteve readers" with "any/everyone."

    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    @SFG

    1980???

    Sounds about right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn


    Howard Zinn (August 24, 1922 – January 27, 2010) was an American historian, playwright, and socialist thinker. He was chair of the history and social sciences department at Spelman College,[1] and a political science professor at Boston University. Zinn wrote over 20 books, including his best-selling and influential A People's History of the United States in 1980. In 2007, he published a version of it for younger readers, A Young People's History of the United States.[2]
     
    Remember that at the end of each semester in the early eighties, the used bookstores on campus who have huge piles of A People's History of the United States. You could get a copy for a buck. The bookstores only offered 50 cents for a newer copy. Zinn made a fortune because he kept releasing new editions and study guides. Zinn even came out with a version for middle schoolers just in time for the late Millennial generation. All the college of arts and education majors were required to read it. Still back then in the Midwest most kids dismissed it as pure leftist BS. Paying a mint for a book not worth 50 cents at the end of the semester seemed like a racket.

    But yeah it was a key milestone in the long march through the institutions.
  19. Surely “wokeness” cannot really win, at least in the long run, since it is based upon false beliefs about the nature of reality. Racial inequalities in life outcomes are caused by differences in the level of average intelligence across different Races, not by white people oppressing blacks. If you believe or pretend to believe otherwise then things will not go as planned. Its that simple.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @martin_2

    Depends on what "the plan" is. If it's "maintain and even advance level of technical and cultural civilization," then no, it won't work (see: post colonial world)

    If the plan is "consolidate and maintain rule over an amorphous mob of subhumans" then it's quite feasible. Sure, the planes might not work and the electricity slowly gets more and more intermittent, but the elite will still be better off, and have the traditional pleasures of ruling.

    Eg. Dune, where the elite families seem to live quite well without computers etc. (Of course that's not Herbert's point, but still)

    In fact, what I just described is the transition from Imperial Rome to the Dark Ages, which Christians consider a Great Leap Forward. Sure the highways and aqueducts fell apart, but SO WHAT? What about the state of your SOUL?

    Conversely, the transition to the Renaissance/science is seen as a great FALL. People on the Right calling themselves Traditionalists (eg Steve Bannon) or Traditional Catholics (E Michael Jones) and other hobbit-lovers will tell you just that. They only object to the elite being Jews/secularists, rather than priestly knights.

    , @Rob McX
    @martin_2


    Surely “wokeness” cannot really win, at least in the long run, since it is based upon false beliefs about the nature of reality.
     
    In the long run, no. But it can prevail for long enough to destroy white civilization.

    Racial inequalities in life outcomes are caused by differences in the level of average intelligence across different Races, not by white people oppressing blacks. If you believe or pretend to believe otherwise then things will not go as planned.
     
    The only truly meritocratic society - one that cannot afford any pretence of human equality - is a primitive, pre-cvilizational one. Hunter-gathering, perhaps. The more complex and civilized a society becomes, the more it can support people who make no direct contribution to its survival, and the more it can tolerate false and destructive ideologies. Technology ensures everyone can live well above the poverty line, in relative safety from dangerous predators. The eventual collapse brought on by wokeness can be postponed for decades.
    , @Travis
    @martin_2

    In the long run there will be far fewer whites living in America. Half the whites alive today will be gone. Due to lower fertility rates, the boomers did not replace themselves...neither did Gen-X. Over the last 5 years there have been more white deaths than births in America. This trend is accelerating. Census Bureau statistics show an absolute decline in the nation’s white population—accelerating a phenomenon that was not projected to occur until the next decade.
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/06/21/us-white-population-declines-and-generation-z-plus-is-minority-white-census-shows/

    Year----- US Pop --- White Population
    2010 - 309 million - 196 million - 63% White
    2020 - 330 million - 196 million - 59% White
    2030 - 345 million - 190 million - 55% White
    2040 - 365 million - 180 million - 49% White

    The number of white Americans between the ages of 20-40 has fallen 20% since peaking in 1984. Since 1999 years the number of white people has declined by 18% in the most important age demographic, those between the ages of 20-40.

    year - Non-Hispanic Whites aged 20-40 years-old
    1980 - 58 million
    2000- 56 million
    2020- 47 million

    over the last decade just 19 million white babies were born in America, the fewest number of whites born since the 1930s. If this trend continues, there will be just 36 million white Americans aged 20-40 in 2040,

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

  20. @SFG
    Also:

    "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."

    (Ignatius of Loyola or Aristotle--the classics never cease to amaze me.)

    Everyone laughed when they took over the teachers' colleges, but it turned out to be a lot more important than anyone anticipated.

    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980 or so, so that might help someone smarter than me (or more versed in the fine history of American education) in picking this apart.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @R.G. Camara, @Thea, @Thea, @Thulean Friend, @John Johnson, @Mark G., @James O'Meara, @anonymous-antimarxist

    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980

    I know several white women and a few white men born in the late 70s that grew up on Main Street USA who are down with BLM and the rest of the Woke lunacy.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Yes. I know woke white women who were born in the 70s 60s and even earlier.

    Needless to say, they watch a lot of TV.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    , @Curle
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    “ who are down with BLM and the rest of the Woke lunacy.”

    All the while safely ensconced in their Whiteopias.

  21. @SFG
    Also:

    "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."

    (Ignatius of Loyola or Aristotle--the classics never cease to amaze me.)

    Everyone laughed when they took over the teachers' colleges, but it turned out to be a lot more important than anyone anticipated.

    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980 or so, so that might help someone smarter than me (or more versed in the fine history of American education) in picking this apart.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @R.G. Camara, @Thea, @Thea, @Thulean Friend, @John Johnson, @Mark G., @James O'Meara, @anonymous-antimarxist

    Critical Race Theory began in the late 1970s-1980s.

  22. Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.

    No, it won’t.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead’s emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake “extra-curricular activities,” so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:

    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.

    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition — no, the idea of “competitive advantage” no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, “There is a great deal of ruin in a nation,” and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the “long march through the institutions,” and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the “progressives” — the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment “media,” and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: — when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating “intellectual property” monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @JackOH
    @PhysicistDave

    Yep, pretty much agree.

    A few hours ago I replied (still awaiting moderation) to one of Ron's comments:

    “. . . [G]iven all the crazy, stupid, and incompetent things American elites have done over the last 20 years, that’s not a great argument."

    "Amen. Not sure if anyone’s keeping up with some of the recurring themes at UR, at least as I see them, but “crazy, stupid, and incompetent” governance seems to me surely one of them. At least one other theme, again as I see it, is the extent to which unrecognized criminal and civil misconduct drive politics and policies."

    We in Ohio recently had the house speaker and several confederates indicted in a $60 million bribery scheme in which utilities paid to get vast taxpayer-supported subsidies. Plus, it's a reasonable guess the speaker was indicted partly because he hadn't built a good web of reciprocal obligations that would have protected him from "wayward" prosecutors looking to make their bones.

    Trump has at least one reasonably impressive coattail candidate in my preternaturally Democrat area, but I'm not seeing much that will last beyond 2024 should he be re-elected.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't recall ever seeing a gold border around one of the comments under iSteve (something lately makes me think Ron Unz gives them out). However, this comment ought to have one.

    Thank you, Physicist Dave! I would like to use this comment verbatim elsewhere, except with Mr. Pinson's name redacted, as he's a good commenter. OK with you?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @PhysicistDave

    , @Anon
    @PhysicistDave


    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: — when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,
     
    Those on the right want so bad to still believe in America and its institutions. Sean Hannity wears both CIA and FBI lapel pins on his jacket every night on Fox News. Hannity maintains that the rank and file guys are good and it’s only the leadership under Obama who’s bad. He’ll probably keep believing that until they drag him off to the ‘Uighur-style camps’ (to use Whiskey’s term).
    , @The Alarmist
    @PhysicistDave

    Yay!!! Giant Meteor 2026, five years too late.

    https://youtu.be/LAUbsx5iUFk


    https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.248533150.2085/flat,800x800,075,f.jpg

    , @utu
    @PhysicistDave

    "Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks." - Don't be naive. Those people knew very well on which side the bread was buttered and who was in charge of butter and they would never rock the boat to risk the access to the butter supply. They would never go against the "deep state".

    Trump lost because he could not articulate anything coherent and could not stay on the message because there really was no message. Initially it seemed that with people like Bannon and the generals in his cabinet he would be able to start some process of changes around the vague notion of economic nationalism. But they were all forced to leave. Either fired or left in disgust. They all realized that Trump's character is so flawed that it would be impossible to accomplish anything with him. Trump did not have any reserves. No human capital in the back up. For Trump his presidency is about him and nothing else. For people who still persevere around him their job is to minimize the damage and maintain the continuity of the government. Everybody is waiting for Trump to leave.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    , @Prester John
    @PhysicistDave

    The CIA clown show should've been abolished decades ago!

    , @peterike
    @PhysicistDave

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the “progressives” — the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment “media,” and all the rest.

    Except that Trump has taken on the Deep State since before he was even elected. Wray will be fired the day after the election if Trump wins. Barr will likely retire. Yes, Trump was surprised by the depths of corruption. You don't think he's figured it out? Guys like you that think Trump is such a dunce, when he's vastly smarter than you'll ever be.

    Trump has gone directly after the "Big Medicine trust." Where do you get your information from? This has been a talking point of his for ages already.

    The news? Does a single day go by that Trump doesn't call them Fake News, call them out on their total bullshit? What's he supposed to do, seize newspapers and throw journalists in jail like Lincoln did?

    The universities? Trump is busily exploding the worst thing about them: all the critical race theory baloney.

    The money-financial cartel? What do you think Trump's trade agreements and return to manufacturing are about? This directly impacts the money cartel and benefits Main Street over Wall Street.

    What do you crybabies expect from a guy who has had four years under constant false attacks to unravel 100 years of Deep State, etc. treachery? And do it with everyone in power opposed to him?

    Name one other Republican or Democrat who would have done a fraction of what Trump has done virtually single-handedly. Who would have even TRIED to do any of these things?

    But keep on whining about how only you know what needs to be done. Meanwhile Trump is doing virtually everything you're asking for. He's a thousand times the man you'll ever be.

    You people don't deserve him.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Guest007, @Harry Baldwin, @PhysicistDave

    , @Bill
    @PhysicistDave


    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?
     
    Because he's not on our side. This isn't hard.

    they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the “progressives” — the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment “media,” and all the rest.
     
    Right. The Dissolution of the Monasteries worked---worked for evil, of course, but worked. Nothing short of that will.
    , @Realist
    @PhysicistDave


    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: — when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating “intellectual property” monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.
     

    It has nothing to do with courage...Trump is a minion of the Deep State...and does their bidding gladly.

    This is a charade...a sham.

    , @brandybranch
    @PhysicistDave

    what you say is sad, but true.

    , @Rob Lee
    @PhysicistDave

    I believe you're correct, but how does one survive, to say nothing of thrive, in this current setup without becoming part and parcel of the rapacious behemoth?

    Is the most efficacious answer to survival at this point a recreation of the burg, the township, the mini-state that is composed of like-minded people, walling themselves in monastically in an attempt to ride out the storm? You can probably keep the bad element out, but that would require a definite tribal, ideological or group outlook that would definitely present as 'Us' versus 'Them' in nature.

    How, in this current environment, do you raise young children into mature, responsible, self-assured adults? You can't - and don't want to - perpetually wall them off, but you also don't want them assimilated by the idiot masses, either... So far I've had measurable success by showing mine the Realist's truth, but also by admonishing them to 'Keep that narrative in their head!' and never, ever verbalizing it. Sooner or later, however, I'm certain that some verbal tic or body-posture betrayal will expose itself, and everyone around them will turn and point and howl like "The Invasion of the Body Snatchers." Comical to contemplate, yet very worrisome at the same time.

    , @Anonymous
    @PhysicistDave

    Brilliant comments. If there's any hope coming out of Covid, it might be that some of these institutions will collapse sooner rather than later. I saw a stat that something like 16% fewer college freshmen are enrolled this year versus last. Bankrupt these fuckers.

    , @AKAHorace
    @PhysicistDave


    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

     

    There are signs that Trump gets at least some of the problem though. He has tried to ban critical race theory indoctrination in the federal govt, worked lukewarmly on the wall and reduced refugee intake to the lowest it has been in years. If I was an American I would vote for him and hope that all of you who are are do so. The drive for wokeness cuts across borders, a win in one country may spread to others.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @PhysicistDave

    Why don’t you use the reply feature?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @PhysicistDave

    , @James O'Meara
    @PhysicistDave

    "fake “extra-curricular activities... parasitic verbalist overclass"

    I'm assuming from your handle that a "scientist overclass" of nerds would be OK.

    Since that's exactly the vulgar postwar American attitude of "a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc." such as McNamara and the other "best and brightest" technocrats, I don't see why you're upset with the world of antifa philistines they produced.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @PhysicistDave

    What you wrote is a sort of philosophy of history: 70 years ago, class-wise & otherwise, US was a sane society. That sane society, actually world number 1 in most disciplines, has degenerated through university indoctrination & greedy corrupt power of various spooks, corporations & similar agencies.

    But- I don't think it is so.

    Charles de Gaulle always thought that US was not a "real nation" & that it will collapse sooner or later because it lacked historical ethnic substance; it lacked a sense of destiny. It was a huge swath of land populated by greedy non-intersecting ethnic tribes, focused only on the temporary greed & gain and held together by the glue of old WASP elite ethics & culture. Its ethos was an American dream, which was great during various old-fashioned European class obstacles, but one cannot build anything permanently only on the ideal of individual success & "rugged individualism" (whether it was true anytime is another question). For a people to thrive & last, one has to have a nationhood. A nation is an extended family, and when you have a situation that "others" (blacks, most Asians, many to most Hispanics, virtually all Muslims) are around 40% of the population, you can't have a functioning society. At most, even without white self-hatred, you'll end up as a better India or Brazil, variously stratified societies.

    De Gaulle was right & wrong, simultaneously. True, ethnic Europeans who came after the 1880s have been assimilated through school & workplace (although retaining some specific traits). But, they're only slightly different from the English, Scots, Irish, Germans ... in their genotype & cultural phenotype.

    Blacks remain a permanent other; Muslims too; most east & south Asians, with some exceptions, too. How can big Mestizo population be "Americanized", whatever you teach them in schools? Or Hindu Indians, with their castes? Real Native Americans, some 300 or 400 tribes, also remain aliens.

    True, minoritarianism is a silly fake religion. But, the idea was a noble one: let us give blacks the sense of dignity, or at least some placebo pride because all they have is a low-brow culture built upon memory of an enslaved people.The same with others. Since demography is destiny, one cannot sustain a highly functioning society when unassimilable aliens (race, culture, religion,,..) have grown from 15% to over 40%. Whether one changes university programs or dissolves various organizations.

    A (successful) people is more than a conglomerate of corporations.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @vinteuil
    @PhysicistDave


    Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.
     
    I don't know that he lacks the courage, but he certainly lacks the understanding. Like everybody else of his generation, he gets his information from all the usual suspects. I'd be amazed if he's ever in his life so much as heard of Steve Sailer, or Ron Unz, or anybody else who's bucking the tide.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Harry Baldwin

    , @Kratoklastes
    @PhysicistDave

    You're one of the few people in Unz comment threads (or even among writers here) who I've seen use the most important phrase in recent Western history:


    the long march through the institutions
     
    It is the most important strategy that happened in the West in the last 100 years.

    It was a cultural war that was planned, prosecuted, and won, without a shot being fired.

    It's not like it happened through stealth, either: it was openly announced as a strategy by Dutschke in 1967; widely praised by people on the Left who became aware of it; and it was implemented in plain sight. Nobody has an excuse for not being aware that it was underway, and nobody in the political class tried to stop it.

    Economics - particularly Public Choice theory - has had a well-developed understanding of 'regulatory capture': the people being regulated, actively seek to 'capture' the regulatory bureaucracy and alter the bureaucracy's objectives to suit them.

    Capture theory dates from the 50s, and it's not a stretch to say that Dutschke's 'long march' was just a variation on that theme: capture the education bureaucracy, and you get to push your ideas at young minds for 8 hours a day, for a decade or more.

    Controlling bureaucracy is a superior strategy to controlling organised religion, who only get a couple of hours a week to attempt to infect young people's minds.

    The 'Right' has no excuses for its pathetic failure to prevent the long march. It deserves to be humiliated for that failure.

    Imagine that your implacable enemy told you - in excruciating detail - what he planned to do to fuck you up... and then you pretty much let him implement those plans without trying any countermeasures.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @MBlanc46
    @PhysicistDave

    That’s pretty well put, Dave. Should Trump be re-elected—and it’s a pretty long shot—all it will mean is the le deluge will be postponed for four years. A lot of evil things will be done to heritage Americans—and Trump will do precious little to stop them—but the final inundation will be put off until 2025.

    , @DR Smith
    @PhysicistDave

    I agree with PhyscistDave’s conclusion. (....the ride will continue to go out no matter who wins the November 3rd election) but not for the same reason. It is not that Trump is in over his head or doesn’t know what he is doing - much worse than that in my opinion......he is in on the “action”.

    Think of it in military/strategic terms -is it easier to take on opposing force (American middle class) head on, or better, quicker, and easier in a good ole fashioned pincer movement? You have the overly inept cartoonish villains on one side ( Clinton in 2016 who is just about universally feared and unloved everywhere , the Good Ole Uncle Joe who has been know as a bagman long before the issues with his son’s laptop) who are possibly the worst candidates the run, then Trump on the other side, the white hat cowboy riding in to save the homesteaders - forgetting the fact he is saying to the white middle class “I’m here to save you!” while he is running his horse through your house destroying your walls, furniture, and laying poop everywhere.

    Yes, the tide will continue to go out because it has been set up that way. Things will get much worse for many years before they get better - think along the lines of the rise and fall of Communist Russia, took something like a hundred years or so...

    Replies: @Coemgen

    , @Kratoklastes
    @PhysicistDave

    Slightly OT - but very relevant to PhysicistDave's mention of the long march through the institutions.

    Glenn Greenwald has just quit from The Intercept (fuck linking to them), because he was completely outraged by censorship by the editors, applied to a recent story Greenwald had prepared.

    Think of this as what happens when the long march through the public institutions is complete: since the overarching objective of the 'marchers' is the imposition of a correct-line ideology, the capture of public institutions is not enough.

    It would be a good thing if people actually read the e-mail exchanges between Greenwald and these editors (Betsy Reed and Peter Maass).

    The process of infiltration by zealots and ideologues is something that the 'Right' would do well to notice.

    Those brave or foolhardy enough to put personal capital behind a publishing venture on the 'wrong' side of the ideological war, should dox the fuck out of anyone who seeks a role as a moderator, editor, or any other position that permitted control over the material that makes it to the eyeballs of the audience. In the case of Reed and Maass, it ought to have been relatively simple to smell the stench of WokeBorg on them (work history at The Nation, NYT and Bezos' Blog).

    The writing was on the wall for The Intercept when Matt Taibbi walked away: given that he is something of a personal friend of Greenwald's, it was clear that Taibbi's walking away was not due to Greenwald (as the dummies assumed).

    People assumed that perhaps it was due to direct puppeteering by Omidyar. Now it seems more likely that some zealots got themselves installed in positions of trust, and started poisoning the editorial process. Taibbi, to the best of my knowledge, has not made the cause of his departure precisely clear (perhaps in order not to piss into the tent of his friend): hopefully he will now feel comfortable giving a fuller account of what caused him to leave... naming names.

  23. Realistically what could even the most rabid ‘racist’ do to deny negroes jobs or advancement if he ran more than a sole proprietorship with a handful of ( family ) employees? The ‘system’ wouldn’t allow it. Its a numbers game so, for all but the tiniest economic units, not having any negroes is prima facie evidence of discrimination. One cannot say, in defense of your hiring policies you use a competitive testing because your test will be declared ‘discriminatory’ if not enough negroes are able to pass it. The system is rigged to not allow anyone, racist or not, to not hire negroes or face a legal onslaught.

    I remember home builders being sued for discrimination because their advertising renderings of their residential communities did not feature any obviously negro faces on the sidewalks or in the yards of the development. Obviously the builder did not ‘draw’ the picture but he had better make it clear to the architect who did to draw black faces and they had better look middle class not some dindu with dreadlocks engaged in a car jacking because reality is not allowed.

    The truth is the most enforced law in the United States for the past 50 years has been the prohibition on discrimination against the negro. Even murder and rape statutes ( unless by a white against a black) are not enforced so rigorously. OJ was allowed to kill his white wife as I recall but woe unto any realtor who steered OJ away buying a home in Brentwood.

    • Troll: Guest007
    • Replies: @bomag
    @unit472


    The ‘system’ wouldn’t allow it.
     
    Just against Whites.

    From what I've seen, various groups like Mexicans, sub-continental Indians, Chinese, etc. happily hire their friends, family, and co-ethics without any push back from the usual sources.

    The remnant White population in the US will spend its last days in an internment camp under constant punishment for discrimination while everyone else feasts on the carcass they built and had taken away.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Bill Jones
    @unit472

    If you are a Supreme Court Justice you can discriminate. Ginsberg hired one "black" Law Clerk out of her total of 150.
    I hear he was more of a honky than I am.

  24. @JohnnyWalker123
    Wow.

    https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1318707167483121664

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Pericles, @MEH 0910, @Mike_from_SGV, @Johnny Smoggins, @Peter D. Bredon

    Enough with the “wow” already.

    This news means nothing, nothing I tell you unless the pictures show “Pop” nuzzling or with his hands on these “underage girls.”

    And if they do, this is old news!

  25. Wokeness is winning because it is feminized, hysterical, and emotional, and we live in a feminized, sissified, pansified environment where feminized backbiting and catfighting is the norm — where a person gets ahead in life by going to a liberal arts college and reading books and listening to lesbian professors lecture.

    Ironically, this is all made possible by the success of white men who tamed and conquered the brutality of Nature.

    Kit Carson, Lewis and Clark, Andrew Jackson, and Daniel Boone were not woke. Men who cast engine blocks, poured concrete into the Hoover Dam, bolted the Golden Gate together, poured molten steel, herded and butchered cattle, and piloted B-24s over Europe were not woke.

    There is no time for wokeness in a masculine world. That is why the great dividing line between the Democrats and the Republicans today is whether one one lives in a city and went to college, or whether one lives in the country and works on a fracking rig or drives a truck. Hillary vs. Trump was the perfect proxy for this cultural and economic divide.

    • Agree: Farenheit, Sam Malone
    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @Dr. X

    "where a person gets ahead in life by going to a liberal arts college and reading books and listening to lesbian professors lecture."


    And you people wonder why the Left is winning. It's not even a question being the only home for intelligent people (which it is) but just a question of it being the only place for people with a sense of dignity.

    Welcome to the iSteve Right: where Aristotle and St. Thomas and Tolkein are book-readin' commie fags. We don't need no book learnin' to beat the left, just 'roids!

    BANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNE!

    Oops, he lost, didn't he? Some smart lesbian blew him away.

    Replies: @Dr. X

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Dr. X

    I don’t know, those young guys running around Portland with homemade shields and paramilitary gear don’t seem terribly feminized to me. They are marginally employed guys looking for an excuse to rebel against a society they feel has wronged them. Nor is the media or even prestige academia all that feminized. I think lack of religion, and by extension lack of meaning/purpose, is causing wokeness (I say this as an irreligious person, too). Also becoming woke makes it easier to get a job or do well in school without otherwise having the intellectual chops.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

  26. First, we should admit that Wokeness is not Marxism, which is a theory about class rather than race. White people condemn Wokeness as Marxism because they aren’t brave enough to call it what it really is: antiwhite racism.

    You know what would be really really brave?

    Not calling it antiwhite racism. But calling it Jewish Supremacy!

    “Even a worm will turn”, and when that happens watch out.

    The Jews created one golem in BLM/Antifa. Their only hope now with the out of control the Biden laptop fiasco is to push this golem into even greater extremes in order to thwart losing the election. Hence abusing their own monster creation.

    Another golem are the, for now, deluded still pro-zionist “Normie Cons”, who still desperately want to believe that it is the Russian or the Chicoms or even the Pedo Deep State(“Cathedral”) that are the real puppetmasters.

    The Toobin/Gessen mock election night gameplanning disaster was only a glimpse at how far the Jewish elites are willing to go.

    The followup plans are the complete destruction of the 1st and 2nd Amendments and packing the SCOTUS.

    It won’t work, the Golems will turn on their creators.

  27. @JohnnyWalker123
    Wow.

    https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1318707167483121664

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Pericles, @MEH 0910, @Mike_from_SGV, @Johnny Smoggins, @Peter D. Bredon

    Mistake to turn the evidence over to the police of the Senator’s home state. In the Weiner laptop case, once it was turned over to the NYC police we never heard of all those copied Hillary emails again.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Pericles

    Theoretically the pawn shop owner and The New York Post still have copies of the evidence.

  28. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    Yep, pretty much agree.

    A few hours ago I replied (still awaiting moderation) to one of Ron’s comments:

    “. . . [G]iven all the crazy, stupid, and incompetent things American elites have done over the last 20 years, that’s not a great argument.”

    “Amen. Not sure if anyone’s keeping up with some of the recurring themes at UR, at least as I see them, but “crazy, stupid, and incompetent” governance seems to me surely one of them. At least one other theme, again as I see it, is the extent to which unrecognized criminal and civil misconduct drive politics and policies.”

    We in Ohio recently had the house speaker and several confederates indicted in a $60 million bribery scheme in which utilities paid to get vast taxpayer-supported subsidies. Plus, it’s a reasonable guess the speaker was indicted partly because he hadn’t built a good web of reciprocal obligations that would have protected him from “wayward” prosecutors looking to make their bones.

    Trump has at least one reasonably impressive coattail candidate in my preternaturally Democrat area, but I’m not seeing much that will last beyond 2024 should he be re-elected.

  29. Wokeness won because in the US post the socioeconomic maturation of the great wave immigrants first the collective interests of old-stock WASPs and then whites was made implicitly illegitimate to advocate for. This was accepted because it was assumed and communicated that their status and security (Material, social and demographic) was ultimately unassailable. (The only non-whites of significance were blacks and they were safely in a low status) It’s like the deference an older brother is supposed to show his younger brother when they’re fighting. The natives worry so much about insulting immigrants that the daily insult of their demands and social/economic/demographic displacement of the natives goes ignored. You’ve essentially said the people everyone thinks own the country (Including the immigrants and immigrants at heart) actually don’t and at that point why would you expect them to be able to have a say in what happens to it?

    In the modern there is a purity/defilement stance pushed by SJWs, the minute a single black person arrived in Iceland, then what difference does 50,000 coming make or do you think that single black person’s feelings are less important than the feelings of the 99.99999% of the rest of the population?

    It exploits the essential non-ethnocentric good natures of peoples and ironically is the best way not to spread these values but destroy them.

    But, of course, this opened the door for endless demands at the collective (Not necessarily individual) expense of whites, it becomes a ratchet effect. The only limit is how bold somebody feels and if the media feel like amplifying their voice. Otherwise nobody can maintain any social standing in America by saying they are acting in the interests of whites or resisting demands upon whites they find illegitimate.

    The same thing is happening across the Western world today. The indigenous peoples of Western European countries exist only to provide a substrate upon which immigrants can anneal. Whether it is to the benefit or desires of the natives is irrelevant. ‘Racism’ in 2020 includes whites acting collectively for their own interests in any way.

    One resource that I found that is very interesting is a YouTube channel with compilations of gay rights news story clips over several decades showing the changing face and demands of the gay rights lobby. It’s interesting how things changed over time.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Altai

    I'm sorry but I'm not buying Garden of Eden explanations like "it's all gone bad because white people are too good and kind and naive and trusting. Everything was perfect until those Jews showed up and tricked white people out of their patrimony. Shoulda never let 'em in and then everything would have been fine."

    These are the same white people who once conquered the world and who had no qualms about dragging people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free (and that, BTW, caused no end of problems to this day and was something that white people did to themselves). Something changed in the nature of white people themselves and it wasn't the Joos who done it to them. Blaming others for your woes is what black people do all the time. It is unbecoming of the once proud race of white people. It's one of the things that made Hitler so pathetic - there was no stab in the back. Sometime you lose despite your best efforts. You need to look in the mirror and consider what you could have done differently, not go looking for scapegoats.

    If Joos really did what people here say they did, the response of whites should have been GTFO of here (not literally, but in the sense that "we're in charge here and we're not buying any of your crazy bullshit"). That's what it would have been at one time but something caused it to change. Maybe it goes back to female suffrage, but then you have to go back even further and analyze what had already changed in the society that women were now demanding the vote and that men were now willing to give in to their demands.

    Then there is the problem that the Leftist critique was fundamentally right. Suppressing the rights of blacks, treating gay's private bedroom behavior as criminal, excluding women from the vote and the workforce, etc. - all of those things were fundamentally wrong and un-American. One of Alinsky's rules was "make the other side live up to their own rule book." OTOH, you can view this as a cynical ploy or a tactic but OTOH, isn't it right that we should live up to our ideals? The American experiment was founded on the premise that all men were created equal (while at the same time things in fact were far from equal) and in the long run those contradictions had to be resolved and the promise met. It requires a superhuman, unsustainable effort to maintain a reactionary regime indefinitely. You can never let up your guard.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Bill, @Elsewhere, @Not Only Wrathful

  30. Why Is Wokeness Winning?

    I dunno … because eugenics lost credibility after that period of discomfort in the 1940s?

    Seriously, long before Critical Race Theory had a name, the children were being browbeaten into submission to acceptance of the evilness of White folk as evidenced only in part by slavery. This has been a multi-generational Putsch monster that has only recently revealed its tentacles and fangs and shown us its real self.

  31. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    I don’t recall ever seeing a gold border around one of the comments under iSteve (something lately makes me think Ron Unz gives them out). However, this comment ought to have one.

    Thank you, Physicist Dave! I would like to use this comment verbatim elsewhere, except with Mr. Pinson’s name redacted, as he’s a good commenter. OK with you?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I got a Gold Box from Steve (it's framed on my wall) about five years ago. I haven't seen any for quite a while.

    But PD's comment is spot on, and deserves a Gold Box. We are doomed.

    Even if we turn around all the things PD pointed out, we and our children will someday have to deal with the trillions of debt, some say as much as 100 T, that we have incurred. Someone's rice bowl will get broken and it won't be pretty.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed E. Newman asked me:


    Thank you, Physicist Dave! I would like to use this comment verbatim elsewhere, except with Mr. Pinson’s name redacted, as he’s a good commenter. OK with you?
     
    Sure, with two provisos: Give me and Sailer's blog credit unless there is some good reason not to do so (and I can imagine some good reasons not to!). And I am assuming you are not doing it to make money!

    By the way, a few years ago, I ran across a guy who had taken a long exchange in which I had been involved on the Web, edited out the irrelevancies, and then posted the result (he gave me credit). The bizarre thing was that when I started reading it, I did not remember at first that I had written it! The guy was a superb editor: his editing made me sound much more incisive than I thought I had been when I was in the discussion. All of which was fine with me since he gave me appropriate credit.

    All the best,

    Dave

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  32. @JohnnyWalker123
    Wow.

    https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1318707167483121664

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Pericles, @MEH 0910, @Mike_from_SGV, @Johnny Smoggins, @Peter D. Bredon

    • Replies: @Anon
    @MEH 0910

    Without missing a beat, disinfo agent MEH0910 is on the case. What do you do, monitor this site 24/7? These people are truly tireless and work like ants. They have nothing else to live for. As Sunshine often says, there are trillions at stake.

    If you consider the far-left Daily Beast reputable, why would you even be interested in Sailer's blog? You don't just get to post that here and act like you somehow fit in with the group. Why didn't you add your own commentary but merely responded with leftist propaganda spam? Do you agree with Sailer's contention that wokeness is essentially anti-white racism (and anti-male sexism)? If not, why not?

    , @Patrick in SC
    @MEH 0910

    "ongoing questions about the credibility" of X, etc.

    Sounds like, "We have no concrete or even flimsy evidence to support this assertion, but it raises questions. So many questions!" It raises so many questions that X immediately becomes very "questionable" indeed!

    And that's how liberals become bullet proof and Trump is forever the prey.

    You start out by simply ignoring a story. This is usually sufficient (e.g. racially motivated black on white crime). Mass banning a la Facebook and Twitter also works.

    But, if the dam shows a few leaks, just point out that the source is a "far right" tabloid which has in the past published "now debunked conspiracy theories."

    Next, just keep calling it "questionable," or "unverified" (whatever that means) or that the story has now been spread by "Russian something-or-other" and there you go. You are bullet proof.

    Of course, at the end of the day, everyone and everything is "questionable." Maybe I've told the truth for 15 years, but it's possible that I'm now lying. Hence, the mere act of questioning me makes me automatically "questionable."

    Voila! Story dead.

    , @J.Ross
    @MEH 0910

    As with Mueller and Wray, the FBI functions by concealing incriminating evidence under the pretense of investigating it.* Everything has to be kept away from them and done without them until Christopher Wray is replaced by someone who actually wants to enforce the law.
    *And by railroading innocent people via paid informants and fake conspiracies.

  33. Steve, I know you work hard on these Takimag columns. I don’t see much posting right before they are due. I see you kind of clean things up too, in case these ones get sucked in by the mainstream.

    I disagree slightly on your take on the use of Marxism vs. anti-white-racism: Yes, you get in less trouble for calling people Marxists or Commies rather than using the term “anti-white”. I don’t care about being called names very much, so that’s not a factor with me.

    Sure, this is about race, not class, or at least that’s how society is being culturally destroyed this time around. However, this is nothing if not Cultural Revolution 2.0 going on, and whether the destroyers of traditional society use race or class as their tool, the effect is the same. These people need to be wiped out from the institutions of society, as per Physicist Dave’s comment, just like the evil Commies of a century ago. Otherwise, that’s it for America.

    2nd thing: You brought up the nurture factor in your discussion of the opinion of the “Realists”. You also brought up a very good point about the stupidity of that new San Diego school system idea. It’s bad nurturing, this incentive to procrastinate, as you describe nicely with the sports practice analogy. I think you could have used one sentence at the end to note that the latest Overton Window doesn’t even allow for discussion about bad nurturing. (Of course, because it’s got to be about blaming Whitey somehow.)

    • Agree: Jim Christian, theMann
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It's always about blaming Whites, Achmed, even hideous, murderous depravity. But the gold in Sailerman's Taki piece for me is that the 14th Amendment offering equal protection under the law is now perverted into a scheme that determines who are the protected and who are the prey.

    Care to guess who's the prey? Wait til kamala stacks Section 8 'families" into lovely, quiet suburban neighborhoods with 'good schools' filled with White soccer moms. Those suburban white women that now hate Trump (having voted for him back then) to signal their virtue won't know what hit them. It'll be good to see. I hope they get their diversity good and fucking hard.

  34. From a historic angle I still suppose that Wokeness is a continuation of marxism (“cultural marxism”), constructed by (often Jewish) political entrepeneurs who had given up on the working class as a “revolutionary subject”, seeing this as a hopeless or (looking at the numbers of working-class men in Fsscism) even as a dangerous attempt. So they had to turn to other “revolutionary subjects” in whose name they could agitate.
    One of the points too little appreciated is access to professorships. In Imperial Germany most Jewish intellectuals were cramped into professions like medic, lawyer or above all journalist. It was understood that only a revolution, made by the working class, could give them professorships (like in France). This indeed happened after 1918 when a lot of Jewish intellectuals were given professorships by the Social Democratic Party now in power. But thereafter Jews could promote each other at the universities and didn’t need the political support of the Working Class Parties any more – which explains the position of the Francfort School members.

  35. Why Is Wokeness Winning?

    In the absence of any other moral value system, what else is there to be except woke? If you’re a secular educated upper middle class millennial, the awkward failures of various minorities to integrate into society are the only moral imperative you can comprehend.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri, sayless
  36. Anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: — when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,

    Those on the right want so bad to still believe in America and its institutions. Sean Hannity wears both CIA and FBI lapel pins on his jacket every night on Fox News. Hannity maintains that the rank and file guys are good and it’s only the leadership under Obama who’s bad. He’ll probably keep believing that until they drag him off to the ‘Uighur-style camps’ (to use Whiskey’s term).

  37. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    Yay!!! Giant Meteor 2026, five years too late.

  38. “Wokism” includes a racial element, which is particularly salient now, but it’s not just that. It’s got a whole theory of “intersectionality” which permits white people to claim pokemon points as well and racial minorities who run afoul of it to get cancelled. You can’t explain how it’s tied in to “World War T” if it’s just race.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Travis
    @TGGP

    While it does include some Pokémon points for women and some select minorities which helps it gain more followers, it is quite clear who is at the top. Identity politics has a clear hierarchy which may become cause some division in a short time. Blackness will always trump gender, Blacks will always be above Mexicans in the woke hierarchy. People like George Zimmerman will be denied racial points and classified as white when it suits their agenda.

    Replies: @TGGP

  39. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1318545268929941513

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @jon, @El Dato, @Bill, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @AndrewR, @JimDandy, @J.Ross

    Funny to see the AP using the terms “regular citizens” and even “regular Americans.”

    Their appearance in a Trump ad (or even in casual conversation) would be a hate crime.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @ChrisZ

    Coopting normal language for radical usage is a common tactic.

    In the nomenclature of the left, transsexual radical feminist, atheist, Satanist, Marxist illegal alien furries are "regular Americans."

    , @Almost Missouri
    @ChrisZ

    True, but AP is using the terms falsely, so it's A-okay!

  40. Why is Wokeness winning? I blame the Democratic party, which has long manipulated voters primarily around the issue of whites and blacks, the privileged and those who are excluded. It works like this: even though only about a quarter of whites owned slaves, their descendants (and other whites who are lumped in together with them) all have feelings about it, which are mostly about guilt. White women especially. First – feel guilty! Then, vote Democrat and feel better about yourself.

    Blacks have been manipulated to stay in slavery conditions, ramshackle ghetto housing, speaking primitive Ebonics, dancing and singing; women don’t need a man around the house, the whites will provide. Listen to Malcolm X talk about the worst people in America – white liberals.

    Since the conditions of blacks didn’t improve, the guilt of whites still festers. This sustains the power of the Democratic party, that gives handouts to the poor blacks (but keeps them in bondage), and assuages the guilt of the whites.

  41. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1318545268929941513

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @jon, @El Dato, @Bill, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @AndrewR, @JimDandy, @J.Ross

  42. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1318545268929941513

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @jon, @El Dato, @Bill, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @AndrewR, @JimDandy, @J.Ross

    Its the Heat of the Moment!

  43. @Dave Pinsen
    It’s been winning because we’ve let it, but the Chris Rufo/Tucker/Trump combo shows it’s not impossible to turn the tide. If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector. With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.

    Replies: @jon, @Bill, @SunBakedSuburb, @No0biE, @Anonymous

    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example.

    Coinbase has already pulled the trigger:

    60 Employees Leave Coinbase Over CEO’s Pledge To Be Apolitical

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/10/08/60-employees-leave-coinbase-over-ceos-pledge-to-be-apolitical/#5ee218085a06

    • Agree: Dave Pinsen
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @jon

    60 Employees Leave Coinbase Over CEO’s Pledge To Be Apolitical

    Will anyone miss them? I find it hard to imagine that these were the company's most productive employees. Good riddance, and may other companies follow suit.

    I had a corporate job in the 1990s and no one discussed politics at the workplace. Everyone kept their opinions to themselves. It wasn't a rule, just an understanding that political disagreements cannot be allowed to create friction among employees.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AndrewR

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @jon

    Right. I was thinking about that too.

    , @Steve in Greensboro
    @jon

    OMG! What will Coinbase do without a Human Resources department?

  44. On average, what blacks need is not indulgence of their bad habits, but discipline administered as a matter of course.

    Isn’t this contradictory with HBD? Isn’t one of HBD’s assumptions that blacks (and as a matter of fact everybody else as well) are what they are, and it is futile to change them? So, isn’t it actually *closer* to HBD’s principles to do exactly that, i.e., slacken on discipline?

    • Replies: @TWS
    @Brás Cubas

    No. Do you let a pitbull run off leash because it can tear the tire off a suburban?

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    , @NoWeltschmerz
    @Brás Cubas

    It doesn't. What we know about genetics seems to point in the direction of a large percentage (50% - 80%) of observable characteristics being genetic in nature and not amenable to change given the current state of our knowledge and technology. We believe most of whatever remains are non-shared factors (factors outside of the home and parenting environment). There may be a small percentage attributable to parenting but it doesn't generally appear to be significant statistically (this assumes the child isn't being tortured or abused in some way) based on studies of identical twins.

    The 20% - 50% may make a difference. Peer groups and societal norms and folkways may ameliorate some of the issues we are seeing. Some evidence suggests public service campaigns against drunk driving and the resulting hardening of attitudes with respect to the offense have played a bigger role in reducing drunk driving than laws and sobriety checkpoints. In the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting, a militant Islamist killed almost 50 people in a gay nightclub. He killed gay people because he believed his religion commanded him to do so, but he exempted gay blacks because they "suffered enough." If PR, a consistent message and a media campaign trumpeting the oppression of American blacks can work on a committed jihadist, it may even work on others.

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

  45. @Thulean Friend
    Wokeness is a cynical tactic by those who understand that race/gender is a stronger identity marker than class. The right-wing is unable to compete because they have spent their entire lives dismissing class consciousness and economic justice. So they cannot make that argument.

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.

    The answer is unironically race-blind solidarity, of the kind that the left used to champion but is now being denounced as 'white privilege'. Even feminists can't seem to agree without attacking so-called 'white feminism'. I don't think we're fated to be at daggers drawn over matters of race. This is stoked deliberately from the top-down to avoid the yawning inequality of our times. Sadly, it seems the plebs are easily distracted.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @utu, @Reg Cæsar, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @John Johnson, @AndrewR, @Cloudbuster, @Eagle Eye

    Where does the ethnomasochistic element go here?

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.

    Does the petit bourgeois realize that calling to be put in chains (more than currently by financial obligations, that is), for his daughter to be knifed and for his house to be burnt down might actually make that happen? It seems very un-bourgeois. There needs to be a fat dose of some Brainrot Patent Recipe, regularly administered. What could it be?

    • Replies: @El Dato, @Anon
    @El Dato

    Our upper middle class is primarily descended from New England Puritans, and they were a masochistic bunch. Their descendants are also masochists who think the more you suffer, the better it makes you.

  46. Because the opposition at the top is too comfortable and polite, and is probably often false opposition. Cowards and liars, especially when it comes to confronting Jewish power.

  47. As Kendi told Vox:

    And there’s only two causes of, you know, racial disparities. Either certain groups are better or worse than others and that’s why they have more, or racist policy.

    I mean, isn’t Kendi… basically correct here? “Better or worse” isn’t the best phrasing as it subsumes the whole nature vs nurture question into a single value judgment. His use of “either / or” isn’t ideal either, as there could be some combination of genetic predisposition, environmental factors, and racist policy at play (though I obviously don’t think racist policy has been a factor in recent decades), but I think he’s, again, *basically*, setting up the question the right way.

    I think framing the issue as Kendi does is actually risky for the Woke movement simply because it puts the idea of inherent group differences out there, center stage (albeit dressed as the villain), as a possible explanation for different outcomes. Most Woke-ists I know won’t even put the possibility of genetic differences on the table; the mere idea of such differences is anathema to them and provokes visceral disgust (or maybe they secretly fear it’s the true explanation).

    The unexpected virtue of Kendi’s ignorance may be that he doesn’t realize it’s a bad idea for his movement to even present people with competing explanations for different outcomes, no matter how hard they push their thumbs on the scale in favor of one. Who knows, with Kendi’s hand on the tiller, the Woke ship might well get steered into an iceberg sooner rather than later.

  48. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    “Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.” – Don’t be naive. Those people knew very well on which side the bread was buttered and who was in charge of butter and they would never rock the boat to risk the access to the butter supply. They would never go against the “deep state”.

    Trump lost because he could not articulate anything coherent and could not stay on the message because there really was no message. Initially it seemed that with people like Bannon and the generals in his cabinet he would be able to start some process of changes around the vague notion of economic nationalism. But they were all forced to leave. Either fired or left in disgust. They all realized that Trump’s character is so flawed that it would be impossible to accomplish anything with him. Trump did not have any reserves. No human capital in the back up. For Trump his presidency is about him and nothing else. For people who still persevere around him their job is to minimize the damage and maintain the continuity of the government. Everybody is waiting for Trump to leave.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @utu


    Trump lost
     
    Aren't you (utu) and your friends (ic1000, Mike_from_SGV & Guy De Champlagne) getting a bit ahead of yourselves, here?

    I mean, shouldn't y'all wait until the election has actually taken place before you announce who's won or lost?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @utu

  49. It’s the DNC-CCP all the way down:

    Facebook Whistleblower Exposes “Hate-Speech Engineering” Group, Staffed With Chinese Nationals; NYPost

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/facebook-whistleblower-exposes-hate-speech-engineering-group-staffed-chinese-nationals

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Red_Banners

  50. Steve, somewhat O/T, but related to your San Diego schools post.

    Lowell High School in San Francisco follows the path of Thomas Jefferson High School and the San Diego public schools:

    https://www.joannejacobs.com/2020/10/elite-sf-school-will-admit-by-lottery-in-21/

    “San Francisco’s elite Lowell High School will admit students by lottery — not grades and test scores — this year, under a proposal to be decided Oct. 20.
    The school board says admitting the top students is too difficult this year, because spring grades were pass-fail and state tests were canceled. But parents fear Lowell, under fire for years because few Latino and Black students qualify, will become just another high school.”

    “If the plan is adopted, “siblings of current students would get top priority,” writes Jill Tucker for the San Francisco Chronicle. Next will come students from a mostly black middle school, which got special status in 2018, and those from low-scoring census tracts. Remaining seats would be assigned randomly.”

    Stats quote for Steve:

    “Sixty-one percent of Lowell students are Asian American, 18 percent white, 11 percent Hispanic, 8 percent multiracial and 2 percent black. That compares to district enrollment of 29.4 percent Asian American, 14.5 percent white, 32.4 percent Hispanic, 5.9 percent multiracial and 7.8 percent Black.”

    The Tiger Moms should understand this. After all, in Japan is it not said “The nail that stands up will be hammered down?”

    Here’s the Chronicle’s article: https://www.sfchronicle.com/education/article/Chaos-and-a-hot-mic-moment-S-F-school-board-15645962.php

    And a twitter thread from Alison Collins:

    A SFUSD Board Member who believes that anyone who opposes this idea is racist: “At a chaotic virtual school board meeting, board member Alison Collins, apparently thinking she was muted, said ‘I’m listening to a bunch of racists.’”

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @mmack

    The California State Constitution was amended, in ‘84, to authorize and establish a government-run lottery, e.g. PowerBall. You know, as yet another, school funding tributary.

    Public lotteries are otherwise NOT authorized in California.

    This is all so unnecessary.

    Aside from the housing projects kids, who have Lowell slots reserved for them, the average Lowell student’s financial sponsor is probably non-poor.

    Those sponsors — who obviously own/rent $1.5M+ / $5,000+ per month apartments/homes — should be made to pay a user fee (tuition).

    $30,000 per year, per kid sounds about right (no sibling discount).

  51. @SFG
    Also:

    "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."

    (Ignatius of Loyola or Aristotle--the classics never cease to amaze me.)

    Everyone laughed when they took over the teachers' colleges, but it turned out to be a lot more important than anyone anticipated.

    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980 or so, so that might help someone smarter than me (or more versed in the fine history of American education) in picking this apart.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @R.G. Camara, @Thea, @Thea, @Thulean Friend, @John Johnson, @Mark G., @James O'Meara, @anonymous-antimarxist

    They took over the law schools in the 60’s as well but this app just begs the question,

    Where did they come from to take over education and law in the first place.

    We’ve long had this strain of puritanical self righteousness unfortunately.

    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
    @Thea

    "Where did they come from to take over education and law in the first place."

    Frankfurt.

    , @dfordoom
    @Thea


    We’ve long had this strain of puritanical self righteousness unfortunately.
     
    It started to gather steam in the mid-19th century. That was the beginning of the Age of Moral Panics, which is still with us.
  52. @JohnnyWalker123
    Wow.

    https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1318707167483121664

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Pericles, @MEH 0910, @Mike_from_SGV, @Johnny Smoggins, @Peter D. Bredon

    Irrelevant noise even if true. Hunter Biden is not on the ballot.

    • Troll: AndrewR
    • Replies: @TWS
    @Mike_from_SGV

    Because nobody judges anyone by their children much less the already disgusting suspicions Biden raises

    , @Rob Lee
    @Mike_from_SGV

    "Irrelevant noise even if true. Hunter Biden is not on the ballot."

    Leftists believe that in a subject as complex as global warming, they can keep track of and manipulate a web of interweaving elements, and what's more, understand them; and yet they cannot grasp something so simple as the concept of blackmail. Or they pointedly don't want to; and that makes them both dishonest and contemptible.

    To paraphrase Mark Steyn: "Liberals believe they can reach up in the very sky and literally change the temperature of the heavens, but they can't stop a Mexican peasant from jumping over a metal fence."

    , @AndrewR
    @Mike_from_SGV

    Joe Biden and co. blame all white people for what the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents of some white people did. It's only fair that Joey take some responsibility for Hunter, especially since Joe was directly involved with Hunter's corrupt activities.

  53. @Thulean Friend
    Wokeness is a cynical tactic by those who understand that race/gender is a stronger identity marker than class. The right-wing is unable to compete because they have spent their entire lives dismissing class consciousness and economic justice. So they cannot make that argument.

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.

    The answer is unironically race-blind solidarity, of the kind that the left used to champion but is now being denounced as 'white privilege'. Even feminists can't seem to agree without attacking so-called 'white feminism'. I don't think we're fated to be at daggers drawn over matters of race. This is stoked deliberately from the top-down to avoid the yawning inequality of our times. Sadly, it seems the plebs are easily distracted.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @utu, @Reg Cæsar, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @John Johnson, @AndrewR, @Cloudbuster, @Eagle Eye

    Race and Gender is a stronger identity marker than class, therefore the answer to Race and Gender Politics is race and gender blind class-centered civic nationalism.

    Guns and bombs are more effective weapons than bows and arrows, therefore the answer is sticks and stones.

    You truly are an idiot.

  54. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    The CIA clown show should’ve been abolished decades ago!

  55. @SFG
    Also:

    "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."

    (Ignatius of Loyola or Aristotle--the classics never cease to amaze me.)

    Everyone laughed when they took over the teachers' colleges, but it turned out to be a lot more important than anyone anticipated.

    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980 or so, so that might help someone smarter than me (or more versed in the fine history of American education) in picking this apart.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @R.G. Camara, @Thea, @Thea, @Thulean Friend, @John Johnson, @Mark G., @James O'Meara, @anonymous-antimarxist

    They took over the law schools in the 60’s as well but this app just begs the question,

    Where did they come from to take over education and law in the first place.

    We’ve long had this strain of puritanical self righteousness unfortunately.

  56. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1318545268929941513

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @jon, @El Dato, @Bill, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @AndrewR, @JimDandy, @J.Ross

    “look like regular citizens ”

    They look like what AP thinks regular citizens look like. Which tells you something about AP.

    • Agree: TWS
  57. @Thulean Friend
    Wokeness is a cynical tactic by those who understand that race/gender is a stronger identity marker than class. The right-wing is unable to compete because they have spent their entire lives dismissing class consciousness and economic justice. So they cannot make that argument.

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.

    The answer is unironically race-blind solidarity, of the kind that the left used to champion but is now being denounced as 'white privilege'. Even feminists can't seem to agree without attacking so-called 'white feminism'. I don't think we're fated to be at daggers drawn over matters of race. This is stoked deliberately from the top-down to avoid the yawning inequality of our times. Sadly, it seems the plebs are easily distracted.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @utu, @Reg Cæsar, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @John Johnson, @AndrewR, @Cloudbuster, @Eagle Eye

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s… – Because the left fulfilled its role once the new elite get itself established. Now this elite is playing for keeps by resorting to the divide and rule distraction that seems to almost always work. It should not be surprising that BLM was unleashed when the distraction by the usual means of sport events failed as the sport had to be cancelled due to the covid epidemic. As far as the easily distractible plebs it takes two to tango. Do not expect that here at the UR you find voices that can transcend the distraction.

  58. @Dave Pinsen
    It’s been winning because we’ve let it, but the Chris Rufo/Tucker/Trump combo shows it’s not impossible to turn the tide. If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector. With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.

    Replies: @jon, @Bill, @SunBakedSuburb, @No0biE, @Anonymous

    The GOP winning all through the 80s and 90s on cultural issues didn’t result in any victories on the actual cultural issues. Abortion is still legal. School prayer is still not. And things have gotten much, much worse all through that era of GOP ascendancy and dominance.

    So, you ask, the GOP accomplished nothing with all its political power? Far from it. They cut taxes on rich people enormously. Unions are gone. Defense contractors have a nice, growing business. Wall St is deregulated, and the economy has been financialized to a massive degree. The GOP has had great success in doing what they actually care about.

    The Trump presidency follows this pattern to a T.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon, dfordoom
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Bill


    School prayer is still not.
     
    Nor should it be. Pray at church. Pray at home.
    , @dfordoom
    @Bill


    The GOP winning all through the 80s and 90s on cultural issues didn’t result in any victories on the actual cultural issues.
     
    This is what Trump supporters don't understand, and it's what conservatives who waffle on about the Most Important Election Ever don't understand. The Cultural Revolutionaries don't care about elections. They never did. They did not win the Culture War through the ballot box.

    They won the Culture War by taking control of the culture. They always understood that elections were irrelevant.

    It's also something that the idiot Christians of the Religious Right never understood. They were never ever going to achieve anything with their hopelessly naïve support of the GOP.

    If Trump wins the Most Important Election Ever the Cultural Revolution won't stop, it will accelerate. It will go into overdrive.
  59. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the “progressives” — the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment “media,” and all the rest.

    Except that Trump has taken on the Deep State since before he was even elected. Wray will be fired the day after the election if Trump wins. Barr will likely retire. Yes, Trump was surprised by the depths of corruption. You don’t think he’s figured it out? Guys like you that think Trump is such a dunce, when he’s vastly smarter than you’ll ever be.

    Trump has gone directly after the “Big Medicine trust.” Where do you get your information from? This has been a talking point of his for ages already.

    The news? Does a single day go by that Trump doesn’t call them Fake News, call them out on their total bullshit? What’s he supposed to do, seize newspapers and throw journalists in jail like Lincoln did?

    The universities? Trump is busily exploding the worst thing about them: all the critical race theory baloney.

    The money-financial cartel? What do you think Trump’s trade agreements and return to manufacturing are about? This directly impacts the money cartel and benefits Main Street over Wall Street.

    What do you crybabies expect from a guy who has had four years under constant false attacks to unravel 100 years of Deep State, etc. treachery? And do it with everyone in power opposed to him?

    Name one other Republican or Democrat who would have done a fraction of what Trump has done virtually single-handedly. Who would have even TRIED to do any of these things?

    But keep on whining about how only you know what needs to be done. Meanwhile Trump is doing virtually everything you’re asking for. He’s a thousand times the man you’ll ever be.

    You people don’t deserve him.

    • Troll: Guest007
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @peterike

    I couldn't agree more. It's hard to figure out what motivates the black-pillers on this site who delight in declaring that Trump has done absolutely nothing. They're either concern-trolls or perfectionists for whom half a loaf is no better than no bread at all. They may be disappointed that in one term, in which he has been defied and sabotaged every step of the way, Trump has failed to stop Leviathan dead in its tracks. I'm disappointed too, but there's no one waiting in the wings ready to do the job better than he has.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Bardon Kaldian, @anon, @Anon7, @William Badwhite

    , @Guest007
    @peterike

    If President Trump is vastly smarter than anyone believes then why is he so bad at managing a staff, why does he refuse to read his briefing books, why does he not study issues, why does he so incapable of spotting talent or building an entourage to carry on his policy goals.

    Is there is no way anyone can claim that someone who has never read a book in his life is vastly smarter than everyone else in Washington.

    Replies: @Coemgen

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @peterike


    • Troll: Guest007
     
    LOL--Troll says what?
    , @PhysicistDave
    @peterike

    peterike wrote to me:


    Name one other Republican or Democrat who would have done a fraction of what Trump has done virtually single-handedly. Who would have even TRIED to do any of these things?

    But keep on whining about how only you know what needs to be done.
     
    I take your point. Every time Trump tries to strike out at the parasitic verbalist overclass, I cheer him on.

    peterike also wrote:

    Yes, Trump was surprised by the depths of corruption.

     

    That's part of my point. The rot is far deeper than almost anyone realizes.

    Yes, Trump is coming to realize that our institutions are run by corrupt thugs. But I am afraid that he and most people on the Right still do not grasp that the institutions themselves are fundamentally corrupt, inconsistent with a free society that allows people to live happy and fulfilling lives, no matter who runs those institutions.

    The goal should not be to put good people in charge of the concentration camps instead of the bad Nazis. The goal should be to abolish the concentration camps.
  60. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Because he’s not on our side. This isn’t hard.

    they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the “progressives” — the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment “media,” and all the rest.

    Right. The Dissolution of the Monasteries worked—worked for evil, of course, but worked. Nothing short of that will.

  61. @David 'The Diversity Mastermind' Lammey
    Female suffrage - downstream consequences only now felt; Catlady staffed DeepState + politicians.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Cloudbuster

    Time to secede.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Sick of Orcs

    I LOVE your name!

  62. @Achmed E. Newman
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't recall ever seeing a gold border around one of the comments under iSteve (something lately makes me think Ron Unz gives them out). However, this comment ought to have one.

    Thank you, Physicist Dave! I would like to use this comment verbatim elsewhere, except with Mr. Pinson's name redacted, as he's a good commenter. OK with you?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @PhysicistDave

    I got a Gold Box from Steve (it’s framed on my wall) about five years ago. I haven’t seen any for quite a while.

    But PD’s comment is spot on, and deserves a Gold Box. We are doomed.

    Even if we turn around all the things PD pointed out, we and our children will someday have to deal with the trillions of debt, some say as much as 100 T, that we have incurred. Someone’s rice bowl will get broken and it won’t be pretty.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Jim Don Bob

    I think the gold boxes stopped after this comment:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/we-wont-have-jeb-to-kick-around-anymore/#comment-1332066

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jim Don Bob


    I got a Gold Box from Steve (it’s framed on my wall) about five years ago.
     
    OMG! All this time I've been addressing you as Jim Don, or Mr. Bob. Can you forgive me, Sir Bob, Jim Don? (Did I get it right, Reg?)
    , @MEH 0910
    @Jim Don Bob

    Jim Don Bob's Gold Box comment:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/who-did-it/#comment-1226888

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  63. “wokism” is a sub-set of modern liberalism, which itself is a fusion of Marxism and Classical Liberalism. Think China if China was led by the American Democratic Party instead of the Chinese Communist Party.

  64. @Thulean Friend
    Wokeness is a cynical tactic by those who understand that race/gender is a stronger identity marker than class. The right-wing is unable to compete because they have spent their entire lives dismissing class consciousness and economic justice. So they cannot make that argument.

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.

    The answer is unironically race-blind solidarity, of the kind that the left used to champion but is now being denounced as 'white privilege'. Even feminists can't seem to agree without attacking so-called 'white feminism'. I don't think we're fated to be at daggers drawn over matters of race. This is stoked deliberately from the top-down to avoid the yawning inequality of our times. Sadly, it seems the plebs are easily distracted.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @utu, @Reg Cæsar, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @John Johnson, @AndrewR, @Cloudbuster, @Eagle Eye

    The right-wing is unable to compete because they have spent their entire lives dismissing class consciousness and economic justice.

    “Economic justice” = Everyone who has more than me stole it. Everyone who has less deserves it.

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle-class urban petit bourgeois.

    Ha! This is exactly what Gramsci spelled out. The Left is about power and nothing else. Any change has been on the surface. In tactics.

    race-blind solidarity

    Like this has ever worked anywhere. Races are different enough to perform differently. The less-successful race will always feel cheated, as will the more-successful one, in a different way. Both are right.

    Races form their own classes. That are easier to see than the non-color-coded ones.

    Haven’t you ever wondered why black Americans still speak with a Southern accent four or five generations away from Dixie? Were they tricked into doing so?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Reg Cæsar

    "race-blind solidarity"

    Like this has ever worked anywhere. Races are different enough to perform differently. The less-successful race will always feel cheated, as will the more-successful one, in a different way. Both are right.

    A left or workers party can be race-blind. It has happened in other countries.

    The key would be having economic policies that benefit all races in comparison to what is offered by establishment parties. With our two parties that is a pretty low bar.

    Such a party would have to be led by strong minded people that keep out new left activists that would inevitably try to interject themselves. The top of this party would probably have to be a dictatorship until the competing parties are cracked. You would have to eliminate the possibility of the wokester cult muddling the debate with race or running their own liberal to steal its success.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  65. There are two types of people in this world: those who can seize and hold territory and those who can’t. Territory, broadly defined, is essential to life. Without it, you either die or serve those who have it.

    We’ve seen a contest between those who weren’t realistic or very smart, but were damn aggressive and wanted to conquer. On the other side were smart, realistic people whose every instinct was to be “reasonable” and cooperate. They got beat.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  66. I’m curious why the author would estimate Kendi’s iq as less than 100. 1000 on the SAT implies an iq of about 110 according to most sites on the web. He would seem above average. Not by much, but still.

  67. @Thulean Friend
    Wokeness is a cynical tactic by those who understand that race/gender is a stronger identity marker than class. The right-wing is unable to compete because they have spent their entire lives dismissing class consciousness and economic justice. So they cannot make that argument.

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.

    The answer is unironically race-blind solidarity, of the kind that the left used to champion but is now being denounced as 'white privilege'. Even feminists can't seem to agree without attacking so-called 'white feminism'. I don't think we're fated to be at daggers drawn over matters of race. This is stoked deliberately from the top-down to avoid the yawning inequality of our times. Sadly, it seems the plebs are easily distracted.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @utu, @Reg Cæsar, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @John Johnson, @AndrewR, @Cloudbuster, @Eagle Eye

    The answer is unironically race-blind solidarity …

    What in history suggests that this is the answer? You are as stuck in the 1960s as those you criticize.

    Perhaps the answer is the one that worked best throughout history: Separation by tribe so that different ethnic/racial groups can live under laws and cultures suited to their biology.

    When the United States was ~90% White and lived by laws and a culture designed for Whites (and imposed on non-Whites), we were effectively following that path even as we pretended to be color-blind.

    We were never a color-blind society, no society ever is. Time to put away childish things.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    "Perhaps the answer is the one that worked best throughout history..."

    MAY have worked best, for some people. For others, not particularly.

    "Separation by tribe so that different ethnic/racial groups can live under laws and cultures suited to their biology."

    Except we are not a "tribe".

    Remember, religion trumps one's skin suit.

    Further recall that WASPs and nativists insisted that certain whites--Southern and Eastern Europeans--were not "biologically fit" to live among "Heritage Americans". Yet, the offspring of those same descendants deemed "inferior" now claim, through magic dirt, that they are "biologically fit" compared to other peoples who dare enter the "nation they helped to create".

    "When the United States was ~90% White and lived by laws and a culture designed for Whites (and imposed on non-Whites)"

    Actually, the laws and the culture of our nation was originally established by certain Europeans, and with additions by other groups of people, as enabled by our Founding Fathers by way of posterity.

    It's who we are.

  68. Two factors:

    1) For several reasons, it is the emotional driver of the left-wing parts of a professional upper middle class that has demographically exploded over the past few decades and is now the true nucleus of the Democratic Party, but at the cost of increased precariousness and stress. This is particularly pronounced among the young.

    2) It is at worst inoffensive and often useful for the oligarchic rentier class that dominates both political parties. And what the Stupid Party lacks in SJWs, they more than make up for in Corporate America’s useful idiots.

  69. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:

    OT (but made me think of what happened to the country I grew up in).

    Forty-three years ago yesterday, in 1977, the plane carrying the band Lynyrd Skynyrd* crashed in a wooded area near Gillsburg, Mississippi killing lead singer Ronnie Van Zant, guitarist Steve Gaines, and backing vocalist Cassie Gaines.

    *The band got its name from Leonard Skinner, a gym teacher at Robert E. Lee High School where several members of the band went to high school. Skinner’s strict enforcement of a policy against long hair inspired the members to name their band after him.


    Forby Leonard Skinner

    If you want to feel really nostalgic and wish it was 1977 all over again watch this video from Oakland, CA (esp., notice the crowd of young people):

    • Thanks: black sea, Redman, Trinity, Travis
  70. Anon[185] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1318785312466882562

    Replies: @Anon, @Patrick in SC, @J.Ross

    Without missing a beat, disinfo agent MEH0910 is on the case. What do you do, monitor this site 24/7? These people are truly tireless and work like ants. They have nothing else to live for. As Sunshine often says, there are trillions at stake.

    If you consider the far-left Daily Beast reputable, why would you even be interested in Sailer’s blog? You don’t just get to post that here and act like you somehow fit in with the group. Why didn’t you add your own commentary but merely responded with leftist propaganda spam? Do you agree with Sailer’s contention that wokeness is essentially anti-white racism (and anti-male sexism)? If not, why not?

  71. @Achmed E. Newman
    Steve, I know you work hard on these Takimag columns. I don't see much posting right before they are due. I see you kind of clean things up too, in case these ones get sucked in by the mainstream.

    I disagree slightly on your take on the use of Marxism vs. anti-white-racism: Yes, you get in less trouble for calling people Marxists or Commies rather than using the term "anti-white". I don't care about being called names very much, so that's not a factor with me.

    Sure, this is about race, not class, or at least that's how society is being culturally destroyed this time around. However, this is nothing if not Cultural Revolution 2.0 going on, and whether the destroyers of traditional society use race or class as their tool, the effect is the same. These people need to be wiped out from the institutions of society, as per Physicist Dave's comment, just like the evil Commies of a century ago. Otherwise, that's it for America.

    2nd thing: You brought up the nurture factor in your discussion of the opinion of the "Realists". You also brought up a very good point about the stupidity of that new San Diego school system idea. It's bad nurturing, this incentive to procrastinate, as you describe nicely with the sports practice analogy. I think you could have used one sentence at the end to note that the latest Overton Window doesn't even allow for discussion about bad nurturing. (Of course, because it's got to be about blaming Whitey somehow.)

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    It’s always about blaming Whites, Achmed, even hideous, murderous depravity. But the gold in Sailerman’s Taki piece for me is that the 14th Amendment offering equal protection under the law is now perverted into a scheme that determines who are the protected and who are the prey.

    Care to guess who’s the prey? Wait til kamala stacks Section 8 ‘families” into lovely, quiet suburban neighborhoods with ‘good schools’ filled with White soccer moms. Those suburban white women that now hate Trump (having voted for him back then) to signal their virtue won’t know what hit them. It’ll be good to see. I hope they get their diversity good and fucking hard.

  72. OT:

    When you are getting actual news that look like satire, about Facebook censoring satirical content in the Babylon Bee then …. Peak Idiocracy attained? I wish.

    Dying laughing: Facebook demonetizes satirical website Babylon Bee for ‘inciting violence’ with Monty Python joke

    Have the Space Force nuke the big so-called “tech” sites from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  73. It’s a simple two factor problem.

    1. Domination of the schools and media by the left. They have entire departments in the colleges where they can make up whatever anti-White explanation they want and the media will run with it. The lie that race doesn’t exist wouldn’t be so bad if not for the fact that the left continually tells the public that Whites are to blame for all racial problems. This creates resentment in non-Whites and endless guilt in Whites. As liberal race-denial based programs continue to fail they push even farther into irrationality as to how Whites are to blame.

    2. Conservative refusal to face race. The establishment right has embraced libertarian race denial and market worship which causes double destruction by suppressing the more effective criticisms while also having to defend market first policies. They simply don’t know how to move away from this position and even worse is that most of the rank and file GOP still believe in it.

    The question is from which end do we approach this problem.

    In any case a Trump loss certainly does not help with this problem. Not so much because of Biden but Harris. The media will do whatever it takes to protect Harris into the next election and that includes locking out populist left candidates. This is what the pro-worker left isn’t getting. They are too obsessed with Trump to realize this.

  74. A fundamental Constitutional question is whether the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of “the equal protection of the laws” applies to whites…

    We should dust off Section 2, which denies appropriating seats by counting those prohibited from voting. That would take six to twelve away from California. Montanans would like their second seat back.

    Similarly, in 2019–2020, only one percent of blacks scored 1400 or higher on the SAT, compared to seven percent of whites…

    I didn’t quite make it to 1400, but was in the one percent of the day. My SAT score got me into Mensa, when it still counted. 1400 ain’t what it used to be.

    On average, what blacks need is not indulgence of their bad habits, but discipline administered as a matter of course.

    Does any state still permit horse whips?

    Likewise, when Sullivan, as editor of The New Republic, published an excerpt from Murray and Richard Herrnstein’s The Bell Curve in 1994, Sullivan’s underlings rebelled, in a prefiguration of today’s Woke mutinies by junior staffers.

    Around the same time, the young staff at Giovanni’s Room, the largest gay bookstore in the US, threatened to walk out if the owner didn’t take NAMbLA Bulletin [sic] off the shelves. Where Mr Raw Muscle Glutes stood, or knelt, on this issue I don’t know, but it sure looks parallel in some way.

    First, we should admit that Wokeness is not Marxism, which is a theory about class rather than race.

    No, it’s a blueprint for power using economic-class analysis as a veil.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Reg Cæsar

    "a blueprint for power using economic-class analysis as a veil"

    The left abandonment of class struggle is not obscured in anyway. Woke is proving to be the most effective divide and conquer psywar weapon in the elite arsenal.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  75. Wokeism is a sort of distorted Marxism where straight white men play the role of an all-powerful bourgeoisie oppressing into eternity a proletariat of victimhood. Ironically the material reality, hidden to some extent under the cover of this struggle, is that an elite of color: Han, Ashkenazi, and Brahmin (HAB), are quickly monopolizing the global means of tech and ideological production, if not the vast majority of the rest of the global means of production.

    Wokeism is even closer to Facsism. Of the four typical characteristics of fascism: racism, nationalism, irrationalism, and antiliberalism; the only missing link is potentially nationalism. Wokesters are most certainly not attached to the United States of America. But they are deeply emotionally connected to the idea of building a United States of Diversity. And this national building is to be a global, permanent revolution of diversity. Global meaning of course for all the white nations. This cultural imperialism of Wokeism is shared by both Marxist and Fascist strains of political traditions.

    The other way to see Wokeism is as mass psychological expression of group narcissism. Blacks in particular suffer innumerable daily humiliations as they compare themselves as a group to whites. In almost every category (outside of sports and music) they lag way behind white achievement. This deep and constant narcissistic wounding inevitably results in blacks lashing out and devaluing their white tormentors with combinations of rhetorical word salads and/or gaslighting. Emerging HAB elites are turning their ideological power to stoke black ethno-narcissism in order to cynically keep blacks from noticing that they are falling even further behind HABs than they are whites. Goodwhites respond to black ethno-narcissism with a bizarre strain of ethno-codependence. Goodwhites have lost all sense of their group identity and are thus an empty hole to be filled by enabling and then justifying and then cleaning up after black dysfunction.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Torn and Frayed

    The HABs and the HAB nots.

    And of course the best solution to an abusive relationship is separation.

    But what about the kids?

    The kids in this scenario, being the parasites in politics and cultural institutions, can of course FOAD.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Torn and Frayed

    blacks lashing out and devaluing their white tormentors with combinations of rhetorical word salads

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTL-IkCW22M

  76. @El Dato
    @Thulean Friend

    Where does the ethnomasochistic element go here?


    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.
     
    Does the petit bourgeois realize that calling to be put in chains (more than currently by financial obligations, that is), for his daughter to be knifed and for his house to be burnt down might actually make that happen? It seems very un-bourgeois. There needs to be a fat dose of some Brainrot Patent Recipe, regularly administered. What could it be?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anon

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @El Dato

    Wow.

  77. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1318545268929941513

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @jon, @El Dato, @Bill, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @AndrewR, @JimDandy, @J.Ross

    Regular citizens who happen to have Molotov cocktails, block roads, and yell at/beat up passerby while being defended by the media.

    • Agree: Liza
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @nebulafox

    Exactly right, Nebs. Even funnier, those young suburban adults are actually living in Mom's suburban basement, not homes of their own. They left that part out. Big ooopsie there.

    , @Jack Armstrong
    @nebulafox

    Not totally OFF TOPIC —


    Man whose body was found in riot wreckage officially identified five months later

    Oscar Lee Stewart's body was found in the wreckage of a pawn shop in July. The shop was destroyed in the May 28 riots.

    MELISSA TURTINEN 20 October 2020

    The man whose body was found in the wreckage of a building that was burned during May's Minneapolis riots has been identified.

    Oscar Lee Stewart Jr., 30, of Burnsville, died at Max It Pawn on Lake Street in Minneapolis, according to the Hennepin County Medical Examiner.

    "This individual died from probable inhalation of products of combustion and thermal injury from an intentional building fire and manner of death is homicide," the medical examiner says.

    The medical examiner doesn't say when Stewart was injured but lists his death as July 20 – the day his body was found in the wreckage in July.

    His body was found weeks after Max It Pawn was burned on May 28. Montez Terriel Lee, of Rochester, was charged in June, accused of setting fire to the pawn shop.

    A Go Fund Me page created in August to help Stewart's family with medical expenses says his family insisted police search the pawnshop for Stewart for "nearly two months" before his body was discovered and DNA confirmed it was him.
     
    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/man-whose-body-was-found-in-riot-wreckage-officially-identified-five-months-later

    Replies: @AndrewR

  78. Steve,

    I think that you are unfair to Kendi. Yes, he has a two-digit IQ, but sometimes you need a simple man to point out simple truths. Kendi, in fact, follows the logic of the blank-slaters (Left and Right) to its logical conclusion: Elimination of Whites.

    Now, are the blank-slaters incorrect that only nature matters? Of course. But their beliefs are now the orthodoxy of our society, so the facts must submit to the larger “Truth” – as every medieval scribe understood instinctively.

    Here are THE twin “Truths” of our society: All groups are equally capable and any deviation from equal outcomes is the result of conscious or unconscious bias by Whites.

    Everything springs from these Truths. So, let’s follow the logic – as understood by Kendi and others.

    1. Various racial groups are not performing equally.

    2. Whites are to blame.

    3. Previous generations of White liberals have tried various policies – affirmative action, welfare programs, housing programs, Head Start – but they have failed. But for some reasons, these old White liberals keep trying the same thing over and over.

    4. Since groups are equal, the previous policies were strong enough to overcome White racism. We need even more draconian measures.

    Now, since groups aren’t equally capable, those measure will get continually more intrusive. But, of course, they will never work. And they will never work (in the minds of our new POC overlords) because Whites simply refuse or are incapable of giving up their racism.

    At some point, the solution – let’s call it the “final solution” – to the problem of unequal group outcomes will become clear: Elimination (or, maybe, just subjugation) of Whites.

    If you believe the twin Truths of our Theocracy (and every institution of these society does), that is the only logical conclusion.

    • Replies: @New Dealer
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Thanks and praise for your comment. This line of deduction has been rolling around in my mind late at night, but I was too discouraged to set it down in exact words. The logic is inevitable.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    But then who will lay the Golden Eggs?

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Reg Cæsar

  79. Facebook demonetizes the Babylon Bee for “inciting violence” by recycling old Monty Python joke from the 1970s about weighing ducks and burning witches.

    https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/20/babylon-bee-threatened-over-mazie-hirono-post-face/

    Facebook refused to reconsider upon appeal by the BB, which (sadly) depends on Facebook for 70% of its revenue.

    Endless BLM posts about burning cities (which they actually do) are left untouched.

  80. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: — when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating “intellectual property” monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    It has nothing to do with courage…Trump is a minion of the Deep State…and does their bidding gladly.

    This is a charade…a sham.

  81. But Trump didn’t dare point out that critical race theory is hostile to whites, but instead the president felt forced to say it was anti-American (which it is, too).

    Lol can you read minds? Or did you hear this from a reputable source?

    I don’t think he “felt forced” to cuck. I think it’s in his nature. Despite the delusions of the anti-white crowd, not only is Trump not a white supremacist, he has no natural instinct to defend his people from attack at all.

    When that Hebrew Wallace tried to get Trump to denounce whites and support critical race theory, Trump should have said “It demonizes whites and infantilizes blacks. It’s bad for everyone except race hustlers, and it’s deeply un-American.”

    But again, he’s an incompetent cuck.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
  82. But Trump didn’t dare point out that critical race theory is hostile to whites . . .

    Nonsense. Trump doesn’t point this out because it’s a trap. Blacks have been used and abused by the (white) left since forever. No more so than at the moment. Why do you think establishment Democrats and Republicans alike, along with their Allied Media, refuse to mention, let alone inform about, Antifa? Those freaks are their children and grandchildren.

    That’s why, unless I miss my mark, Trump will break the record for black (and Hispanic) support for a Republican in the modern era. Blacks didn’t appreciate having violent, Color Revolution-style white resistance to Trump laid at their doorstep via ‘Black Lives Matter’ branding when the polls turned against them.

    That’s how the Democrats have rolled for years, along with human scum like Romney.

    White people condemn Wokeness as Marxism because they aren’t brave enough to call it what it really is: antiwhite racism.

    Besides being false, to do so would be self-defeating. The black descendants of (American) slaves are unique in American life. The dominant feature of the last 50+ years is other cohorts of the American polity (ethnic; gender; sexual; disabled) joining whites in hijacking the black story of suffering.

    Imagine all that would have been avoided if we had simply recognized that blacks (and American Indians) got the short end of the stick in the American Project? And if polite and respectable opinion told all the pretenders and parasites to tell their story walking?

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    @MLK


    "But Trump didn’t dare point out that critical race theory is hostile to whites . . ."

    Nonsense. Trump doesn’t point this out because it’s a trap.
     

    Imagine the level of cuckery that it takes to oppose to calling out anti-white hate for being anti-white. It's shocking to read this kind of idiocy here.

    "We can't call the anti-white people anti-white because they will call us racist if we do that."

    Replies: @MLK, @sayless

    , @Anonymous
    @MLK

    The biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action and similar programs have been white women. That may change in future but it still remains true today.

  83. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    what you say is sad, but true.

  84. @SFG
    Also:

    "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."

    (Ignatius of Loyola or Aristotle--the classics never cease to amaze me.)

    Everyone laughed when they took over the teachers' colleges, but it turned out to be a lot more important than anyone anticipated.

    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980 or so, so that might help someone smarter than me (or more versed in the fine history of American education) in picking this apart.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @R.G. Camara, @Thea, @Thea, @Thulean Friend, @John Johnson, @Mark G., @James O'Meara, @anonymous-antimarxist

    Catholic clergy sure loves to “be given” small children, without the prying eyes of their parents.

    Luther did nothing wrong.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Thulean Friend


    Catholic clergy sure loves to “be given” small children, without the prying eyes of their parents.

    Luther did nothing wrong.
     
    Martin Luther was a Catholic priest until the age of 38 when he was excommunicated.

    Stupid anti-Catholic bigotry— which has its roots in the culture war— is no way for you to assuage your troubled conscience.
  85. Marx would oppose woke philosophy because it weakens the working classes, by dividing them by promoting the racial divisions. This is why the oligarchs and executives at fortune 500 firms all embrace the woke agenda, it keeps their employees in line and in fear of being terminated. They also fear being cancelled for attacking the woke ideology.

    Why are they winning ?
    – Immigration has destroyed the working class
    – The left has taken over our schools and churches
    – The left have taken over the military leadership
    – The oligarchs of social media promote the woke ideology
    – The media have been promoting woke theology for decades
    – The republican establishment banned and ostracized race realists
    – Fear , regular people fear losing their careers, or having their family attacked
    – The left opposes meritocracy, because even with affirmative action, the gaps cannot be closed.

    The central question of 2020 is: Why after all these years of affirmative action do African-Americans continue to underperform badly on average?

    Another important question, Why are whites doing so poorly today ? This question is not being asked, because it does not fit the narrative. Yet it is another important reason why so many whites are rioting. Some whites have so much anger and the only acceptable outlet is rioting in support of leftist causes. Some whites support wokism to increase their status and make friends, some support it out of fear.

  86. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m honestly surprised that Andrew Sullivan has bought so totally into the “black man [George Floyd] being murdured slowly on the street by a bad white cop” narrative.

    If even the anti-woke believe in that myth, it bodes very badly for when the arrested cops are found innocent, which seems really likely to me. The whole country will be burned down.

    On the other hand, if the corruption of the legal system has reached so far that the cops are convicted of murder, that is a whole ‘nuther pile of trouble. The D.A.s are corrupt. The trial judges? Don’t know. Jurors? Would they be frightened at being doxxed and killed or at least fired from their jobs if they didn’t maximally convict and then testify to wokeness in the press afterwards? If so, god help us all.

    The breaching of the grand jury secrecy in the Breonna Taylor case is very troubling. That … just doesn’t happen. And a couple of judges went along with it.

    On the bright side, if the U.S. slides into third world territory, it will not be as attractive to refugees and migrants.

  87. @SFG
    Also:

    "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."

    (Ignatius of Loyola or Aristotle--the classics never cease to amaze me.)

    Everyone laughed when they took over the teachers' colleges, but it turned out to be a lot more important than anyone anticipated.

    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980 or so, so that might help someone smarter than me (or more versed in the fine history of American education) in picking this apart.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @R.G. Camara, @Thea, @Thea, @Thulean Friend, @John Johnson, @Mark G., @James O'Meara, @anonymous-antimarxist

    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980 or so, so that might help someone smarter than me (or more versed in the fine history of American education) in picking this apart.

    It’s more of a high/low cutoff or hourglass shape.

    You can see this in any left-wing rally, especially if it is feminist.

    Boomers and 18-24 year olds.

    Note that this is for wokeness and not simply voting Democrat. There is a huge middle that votes Democrat but is skeptical that all racial problems are a grand White conspiracy.

  88. @JohnnyWalker123
    Wow.

    https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1318707167483121664

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Pericles, @MEH 0910, @Mike_from_SGV, @Johnny Smoggins, @Peter D. Bredon

    So far, the “pictures of underage girls” seem to be just that, not pictures of underage girls nude or having sex.

    The real issue here is the corruption, the pay for access to VP Biden, but of course Republicans are too stupid to see that. It would be just like Trump and the Republicans to blow this gift that was handed to them by pursuing some stupid phantom rather than the real crime.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Well, Johnny, there are a lot of "Republicans" (so numerous that they have their own moniker, that of "Never Trumpers") who would be quite happy to follow some stupid phantom instead of pursuing the corruption angle. I wonder why. It's just so comfortable there in The Swamp, that they don't want anything to change. RINOs are, as the acronym indicates, not really expressive of Republican principles concerning societal order.

    But still, I wouldn't be too quick to characterize possible sexual crimes against minors, or discoveries of kiddie porn as a stupid phantom, as these are actually offenses that are to be taken seriously. There is nothing that says that financial corruption and vice can't be simultaneously going on; both can be actionable under the law.

  89. @nebulafox
    @Anonymous

    Regular citizens who happen to have Molotov cocktails, block roads, and yell at/beat up passerby while being defended by the media.

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Jack Armstrong

    Exactly right, Nebs. Even funnier, those young suburban adults are actually living in Mom’s suburban basement, not homes of their own. They left that part out. Big ooopsie there.

  90. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    I believe you’re correct, but how does one survive, to say nothing of thrive, in this current setup without becoming part and parcel of the rapacious behemoth?

    Is the most efficacious answer to survival at this point a recreation of the burg, the township, the mini-state that is composed of like-minded people, walling themselves in monastically in an attempt to ride out the storm? You can probably keep the bad element out, but that would require a definite tribal, ideological or group outlook that would definitely present as ‘Us’ versus ‘Them’ in nature.

    How, in this current environment, do you raise young children into mature, responsible, self-assured adults? You can’t – and don’t want to – perpetually wall them off, but you also don’t want them assimilated by the idiot masses, either… So far I’ve had measurable success by showing mine the Realist’s truth, but also by admonishing them to ‘Keep that narrative in their head!’ and never, ever verbalizing it. Sooner or later, however, I’m certain that some verbal tic or body-posture betrayal will expose itself, and everyone around them will turn and point and howl like “The Invasion of the Body Snatchers.” Comical to contemplate, yet very worrisome at the same time.

  91. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    Brilliant comments. If there’s any hope coming out of Covid, it might be that some of these institutions will collapse sooner rather than later. I saw a stat that something like 16% fewer college freshmen are enrolled this year versus last. Bankrupt these fuckers.

  92. Most likely, there’s no God, no heaven, no such thing as a supernatural realm.

    So, what happens on this earth is determined by what happens on this earth. You either get power to something happen, or it doesn’t happen. It’s tragic to spend decades struggling to “get through” to dumb people who hate your White guts.

    There are no rewards for Good Doggies in the next life. You just witness the one-and-only life of your White children become miserable.

    If there’s ever a realistic shot at immortality for our descendants, it will only be made possible by maintaining White societies, social groups, and polities. And who knows, maybe they’ll return the favor and bring us back.

    But so far, this is the world we’re leaving them:

    https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-san-francisco-legislation-crime-a130bb0f8d13b46dacf58ed8fa8a3169

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @RichardTaylor


    Most likely, there’s no God, no heaven, no such thing as a supernatural realm.

     

    Communist.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @RichardTaylor


    Most likely, there’s no God, no heaven, no such thing as a supernatural realm.
     
    Wow! Your perceptive capacity must have been severely damaged somewhere along the line. It isn't just that you are on the wrong side of Pascal's wager. It is that we are given very few certainties, but one is that nothing comes from nothing. And your perspective is built on the absurdity that something comes from nothing.

    The afterlife is going to suck for you.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

  93. @Thulean Friend
    Wokeness is a cynical tactic by those who understand that race/gender is a stronger identity marker than class. The right-wing is unable to compete because they have spent their entire lives dismissing class consciousness and economic justice. So they cannot make that argument.

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.

    The answer is unironically race-blind solidarity, of the kind that the left used to champion but is now being denounced as 'white privilege'. Even feminists can't seem to agree without attacking so-called 'white feminism'. I don't think we're fated to be at daggers drawn over matters of race. This is stoked deliberately from the top-down to avoid the yawning inequality of our times. Sadly, it seems the plebs are easily distracted.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @utu, @Reg Cæsar, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @John Johnson, @AndrewR, @Cloudbuster, @Eagle Eye

    Wokeness is a cynical tactic by those who understand that race/gender is a stronger identity marker than class.

    I would describe it as a cynical tactic by those that understand that race and gender do in fact have a biological basis which causes problems for left-wing plans. Much more so for race than gender. But most foot soldiers of Wokeness are unaware of its truth-rejecting nature and truly believe it is all The Science(tm) as their professors told them.

    The left basically decided that they couldn’t win without getting rid of Whites. Since that goal is not possible for them to accomplish through violence they switched to miscegenation and denigration. Turn Whites into a hated minority and chip away at their accomplishments.

    Many here talk about Marx as only being for economic change but he was eager to erase European identity and history. That tells me he lacked confidence in his plans. If you really believed that Communism would outpace everything then you would be fine with teaching history. What I am getting at is that the left was never that confident in beating capitalist White countries. So in some ways cultural Marxism/Wokesterism is new but in other ways it is not.

  94. On the systemic side, PhysicistDave pretty much nailed it. I call it parasitic load.

    But If you want to know what drives the woke individual, try to answer a simple question: Why did you eagerly submit to the COVID19 narrative? Whatever your answer is—you now understand the woke a little better.

  95. @nebulafox
    @Anonymous

    Regular citizens who happen to have Molotov cocktails, block roads, and yell at/beat up passerby while being defended by the media.

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Jack Armstrong

    Not totally OFF TOPIC —

    Man whose body was found in riot wreckage officially identified five months later

    Oscar Lee Stewart’s body was found in the wreckage of a pawn shop in July. The shop was destroyed in the May 28 riots.

    MELISSA TURTINEN 20 October 2020

    The man whose body was found in the wreckage of a building that was burned during May’s Minneapolis riots has been identified.

    Oscar Lee Stewart Jr., 30, of Burnsville, died at Max It Pawn on Lake Street in Minneapolis, according to the Hennepin County Medical Examiner.

    “This individual died from probable inhalation of products of combustion and thermal injury from an intentional building fire and manner of death is homicide,” the medical examiner says.

    The medical examiner doesn’t say when Stewart was injured but lists his death as July 20 – the day his body was found in the wreckage in July.

    His body was found weeks after Max It Pawn was burned on May 28. Montez Terriel Lee, of Rochester, was charged in June, accused of setting fire to the pawn shop.

    A Go Fund Me page created in August to help Stewart’s family with medical expenses says his family insisted police search the pawnshop for Stewart for “nearly two months” before his body was discovered and DNA confirmed it was him.

    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/man-whose-body-was-found-in-riot-wreckage-officially-identified-five-months-later

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Jack Armstrong

    Why didn't they search the pawn shop themselves?

    Also if the cops there are that lazy and worthless that they didn't search the pawn shop the moment the family first asked, then I would argue that the rioters should not have stopped besieging police precincts after the first one burned down

  96. Policy makers and culture directors ought to finesse racial differences in intelligence by noting that half of everybody has an IQ less than 100, and that education, government, the arts, and the economy ought to promote the dignity of all in terms of family formation and work.

    Don’t frustrate unsuited students with algebra. Teach them basic math, interest on loans, and a trade. Don’t frustrate people with excessive barriers to working a trade or running a business. Don’t make accessing healthcare and understanding insurance so difficult.

    Don’t export jobs (yes, that means tariffs) and don’t import an infinite stream of peons to drive down wages.

    Show ordinary working class people, homes, cars and clothing on TV, and that doesn’t mean “reality” series where drama, bad behavior and bad choices get you attention. Promote goal setting and delayed gratification.

    It’s easy for the elite to direct their noblesse oblige at blacks, so easy to identify, so annointed! Let’s see them try with the lower half of the bell curve.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @Elli

    "promote dignity"

    Wow, whatever you're smoking, I want me some of that.

    The last thing government wants is a dignfied population who delay gratification and have goals in life.

  97. @MEH 0910
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1318785312466882562

    Replies: @Anon, @Patrick in SC, @J.Ross

    “ongoing questions about the credibility” of X, etc.

    Sounds like, “We have no concrete or even flimsy evidence to support this assertion, but it raises questions. So many questions!” It raises so many questions that X immediately becomes very “questionable” indeed!

    And that’s how liberals become bullet proof and Trump is forever the prey.

    You start out by simply ignoring a story. This is usually sufficient (e.g. racially motivated black on white crime). Mass banning a la Facebook and Twitter also works.

    But, if the dam shows a few leaks, just point out that the source is a “far right” tabloid which has in the past published “now debunked conspiracy theories.”

    Next, just keep calling it “questionable,” or “unverified” (whatever that means) or that the story has now been spread by “Russian something-or-other” and there you go. You are bullet proof.

    Of course, at the end of the day, everyone and everything is “questionable.” Maybe I’ve told the truth for 15 years, but it’s possible that I’m now lying. Hence, the mere act of questioning me makes me automatically “questionable.”

    Voila! Story dead.

  98. First, we should admit that Wokeness is not Marxism, which is a theory about class rather than race. White people condemn Wokeness as Marxism because they aren’t brave enough to call it what it really is: antiwhite racism.

    Second, a huge reason for Woke Capital is that firms can be sued for discrimination if employees speak the truth about racial realities. But is employers browbeating white workers into lying about race creating a “hostile work environment”?

    Spot on. The left has been bought out. The more they make race/gender/sexual orientation an issue the less that they talk about the hollowing out of western economies, the concentration of wealth and the rich who should be held to account for this.

    In Europe a lot of the support for new nationalist movements comes from people who would have voted Socialist forty years ago. Unfortunately there is less of this political awareness in North America.

  99. @Reg Cæsar
    @Thulean Friend


    The right-wing is unable to compete because they have spent their entire lives dismissing class consciousness and economic justice.
     
    "Economic justice" = Everyone who has more than me stole it. Everyone who has less deserves it.

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle-class urban petit bourgeois.

     

    Ha! This is exactly what Gramsci spelled out. The Left is about power and nothing else. Any change has been on the surface. In tactics.

    race-blind solidarity

     

    Like this has ever worked anywhere. Races are different enough to perform differently. The less-successful race will always feel cheated, as will the more-successful one, in a different way. Both are right.

    Races form their own classes. That are easier to see than the non-color-coded ones.

    Haven't you ever wondered why black Americans still speak with a Southern accent four or five generations away from Dixie? Were they tricked into doing so?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    “race-blind solidarity”

    Like this has ever worked anywhere. Races are different enough to perform differently. The less-successful race will always feel cheated, as will the more-successful one, in a different way. Both are right.

    A left or workers party can be race-blind. It has happened in other countries.

    The key would be having economic policies that benefit all races in comparison to what is offered by establishment parties. With our two parties that is a pretty low bar.

    Such a party would have to be led by strong minded people that keep out new left activists that would inevitably try to interject themselves. The top of this party would probably have to be a dictatorship until the competing parties are cracked. You would have to eliminate the possibility of the wokester cult muddling the debate with race or running their own liberal to steal its success.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @John Johnson


    A left or workers party can be race-blind. It has happened in other countries.
     
    Name one.

    The key would be having economic policies that benefit all races in comparison to what is offered by establishment parties.
     
    There is no policy that will benefit all races equally. Any change will advantage one more than the others, and the others will complain.

    Do you think the first minimum wages applied only to women because legislators loved the ladies? No, it was to discourage their employment. Male unions pushed them; the League of Women Voters refused to support any minimum until it applied to both sexes equally.

    When minimums were applied to male labor, it was done with the express intention of keeping low-priced blacks out.

    So much for "race-blind". I'm surprised you and Thulean haven't been laughed off this forum. Even Tiny Duck doesn't fall for race blindness.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @John Johnson

  100. Why would it not win? There is no alternative!

    If you could offer ambitious people a way to get a leg up on their competition by being anti-woke, they would take it and run with it.

    Cons don’t have (and don’t use, where they do have) the power to make or break people based on being anti-woke.

  101. iSteve,
    You get started with the question and Sullivan’s answer to the question, but you quickly segue to consideration of race differences that seems somewhat at odds with the title and thesis.

    Wokeness is winning because of 4 reasons:

    1. The reason Sullivan gave that you cited
    2. That from-the-center (including left-center) to the right … people are in denial – you get many who like Andrew Doyle persist in a manifestly false claim: that the left should stop identity politics because “it doesn’t work” … to state such a thing is to be either willfully blind, or else somehow deaf to the different imperatives left-wing advocates (politicians, press, activists or followers-along) operate to.
    Their values are not Andrew Doyle’s values (or yours, or ours) … they are not trying to make the country function, let alone thrive, they are not trying to advance the cause of the labor class … they have different values and imperatives, so this argument, is ridiculous and blind, it’s a time and resource-wasting red herring

    3. Because wokeness is rewarded AND … because we,will,not organize and strategize in such a way as to stem and plug the reward … we won’t do it … we talk, and write, and debate and argue, we create ezines (Unz and Quillette), our best create Podcasts (over, and over, and over) , and we come online to commisserate and thumb-suck together, thankful that we understand the other side and understand the problem, happy that Ben Shapiro can articulate a forceful rebuttal 1 million will hear and 290 million will never know happened … it’s not going to work … debate and argument didn’t stop demagogues and tyrants in Aristotle’s day, it didn’t stop the warlords who inspired Hobbes’ Leviathan, it didn’t stop Lenin or Stalin, it didn’t stop Mao or Pol Pot.

    There is one and only one thing short of outright conflict that will stop it: right-thinking people cling to one another, support one another, locate either geographically or virtually together, trade with and support each other and do what the founding fathers had in mind when they wrote the federalist constitution as a way of forestalling the forces that led to the English Civil War: cut the cancer off so that it eats itself.

    4. Rather than do -3-, rather than find leaders to group behind and swallow the pill and bite the bullet, we shrug our shoulders like the end of your article, “Good luck, America”

  102. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    There are signs that Trump gets at least some of the problem though. He has tried to ban critical race theory indoctrination in the federal govt, worked lukewarmly on the wall and reduced refugee intake to the lowest it has been in years. If I was an American I would vote for him and hope that all of you who are are do so. The drive for wokeness cuts across borders, a win in one country may spread to others.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @AKAHorace


    There are signs that Trump gets at least some of the problem though. He has tried to ban critical race theory indoctrination in the federal govt,.............
     
    He did that because it was brought to his attention by a guest on the Tucker Carlson show a few weeks ago. He did it as a last-minute ploy to shore up his base in a failing campaign. Just like he teased at banning birthright citizenship by EO in 2018, and then did nothing. If he had staffed his administration with people who actually agree with the agenda he ran on, he might have been aware of some of these things - and acted on them - years ago.
  103. @SFG
    Also:

    "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."

    (Ignatius of Loyola or Aristotle--the classics never cease to amaze me.)

    Everyone laughed when they took over the teachers' colleges, but it turned out to be a lot more important than anyone anticipated.

    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980 or so, so that might help someone smarter than me (or more versed in the fine history of American education) in picking this apart.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @R.G. Camara, @Thea, @Thea, @Thulean Friend, @John Johnson, @Mark G., @James O'Meara, @anonymous-antimarxist

    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980 or so, so that might help someone smarter than me (or more versed in the fine history of American education) in picking this apart.

    The eighties were when the older college professors started to retire and the sixties ex-radicals started taking their place in large numbers. This sudden decline in higher education was noticed at the time in a large number of books in the eighties and early nineties. Examples are “Imposters in the Temple” by Martin Anderson, “The Closing of the American Mind” by Allan Bloom, “Illiberal Education” by Dinesh D’Souza, “Tenured Radicals” by Roger Kimball, “The National Review College Guide” by Brad Miner, “The War Against the Intellect” by Peter Shaw, “Inside American Education” by Thomas Sowell, and “Profscam” by Charles Sykes.

    In addition to higher education getting worse, you also had many more young people attending these institutions where they would be subjected to four or more years of liberal indoctrination. In earlier eras a higher percentage of these young people would not have been in college.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Mark G.


    The eighties were when the older college professors started to retire and the sixties ex-radicals started taking their place in large numbers.
     
    I saw this myself in humanities departments. The older professoriate on their way out were mostly liberal (although rather conservative about their own discipline - Sullivan's law at work), but tolerant of views they disagreed with. The young professors and grad students were commisars. They only hired their own kind. Once an institution is all woke two or three generations deep it begins to express itself openly for what it is.
  104. What we have here is a war on peaceful coexistence.

    We can’t just get along because that would be racist.

  105. Woke idiocy is winning because of universal suffrage. We now have 200 years (1820s to 2020) of data, and we know that a lowest common denominator approach cannot work. With a 90 percent white electorate, there were occasional sane periods like the 1920s, 1950s and 1980s, but even these periods merely staunched the tide. Transforming the electorate with the addition of vengeful “new” immigrants means that we won’t have sane periods in the future.

    Note also that the woke idiots still press on the franchise: we need to enfranchise 16-year olds, felons serving time, illegal aliens and on and on.

    • Agree: Mark G., theMann
  106. @TGGP
    "Wokism" includes a racial element, which is particularly salient now, but it's not just that. It's got a whole theory of "intersectionality" which permits white people to claim pokemon points as well and racial minorities who run afoul of it to get cancelled. You can't explain how it's tied in to "World War T" if it's just race.

    Replies: @Travis

    While it does include some Pokémon points for women and some select minorities which helps it gain more followers, it is quite clear who is at the top. Identity politics has a clear hierarchy which may become cause some division in a short time. Blackness will always trump gender, Blacks will always be above Mexicans in the woke hierarchy. People like George Zimmerman will be denied racial points and classified as white when it suits their agenda.

    • Replies: @TGGP
    @Travis

    I recall that earlier Steve noted gays trumped blacks in cases like that Scrubs actor fired for a slur.

    Replies: @njguy73, @dfordoom

  107. Steve another good Taki column–i will forward to some friends and neighbors. But i think the essay is missing one critical component–women.

    50,000 ft level, this is just what American society looks like under Jewish minoritarianism (minorities oppressed, virtuous; majorities–i.e. white gentiles–oppressive, evil).

    We’ve had 50+–even 100–years of Jewish “intellectuals”–e.g. Stephen Jay Gould–lying. And their lies propagated throughout and by academia, public education, media, government and of course, Hollyweird. Because Jews have been treated so incredibly well in America–arguably better than any middle man minority has been treated in world history–blacks were the available cudgel to beat whitey and so that’s been the focus of American minoritarianism. With the resulting glaring silliness. (Though they can’t help Holocausting now and again–making it about them.)

    After a 50+ year march of Jews through all American institutions replacing the WASP sensibility–which despite city-on-a-hill idealists had a sensible Anglo-empiricism strain and a “this is our nation” vibe that works against wrecking the whole joint–here’s where we are. This is our nation on minoritarianism. Yes, it’s ugly and stupid.

    ~

    But that’s the broad 50,000 ft. view. Down at 10,000 feet, other issues can be seen.

    The salient word i didn’t see in your essay: “women”.

    Our current “woke” insanity is minoritarianism with a female twist.

    There are a few identifiable “women’s issues” in play here–more or less in order of importance:

    1) Misplaced Nurture.
    Women’s emotional state is tuned towards nurture. That’s their critical role–birthing, nursing and nurturing their children. This tunes women a bit naturally toward the “left” in social welfare terms. The “social welfare” party promises to take care of women, which eases their great social/sexual risk/fear–failure of male provision/abandonment. (The male analog risk/fear is being cuckolded–your resources spent on another man’s kids. Which tends to orient men against social welfarism–at least of non-working parasites.)

    Nurture is a poor emotion for politics. Politics is properly about the external and general: protection from invasion, public order and only then improving material conditions (“promote the general welfare”)–sort of broad “nurture”.

    Now we have millions of women–especially young women–who simply do not have their own children to do their nurturing on. Female careerism pushes child bearing out past their prime fertility while immigration crushes “affordable family formation”. (Obesity and bad attitudes suppress marriage and fertility further.) Millions of additional women are childless and almost all have only a few children and spare “nurturing cycles”. This misplaced “nurturing” is projected outward to the helpless “oppressed” other and is a political disaster.

    2) Emotionalism/Anti-rationalism
    On average women are much more emotional and less rational. Their natural child bearing role requires successfully navigating social relationships in the tribe. Men on the other hand are in direct sexual competition which involves aggression and physicality, but also outward impersonal analysis: “will this be a good club?”, “we need a harder spearpoint that will hold an edge and won’t break”, “what if we hid 20 guys in those rocks, then when the Kendi hunters came by we’d have them by surprise, surrounded, could kill them, then would defeat the remainder at camp and enjoy their women and have these hunting grounds to ourselves.”

    Men–most white men–can be turned by arguments like “Democrats are saying the police are particularly picking on and shooting blacks? Hmm, let’s look at the police shooting data and compare with the violent crime data and see if that’s true.” That simply doesn’t twang the neurons of most women. It’s “look what they did to poor George Floyd … he was kneeling on his neck!!!”

    3) Female compliance.
    Women are the more compliant–“stay within the lines”–sex. That’s how it should be. You don’t need to go outside the lines to bear, nurse and raise children (at least in any society that is going to last!). Staying inside the lines is goodness. Men might need to go outside the lines in sexual competition, to advance in status, to make a discovery.

    As long as society is healthy with a “narrative” that reinforces its continuance and survival this feminine compliance is all to the good.

    But now after 50 years of Jewish minoritarianism instead of a healthy narrative delivered by family, neighbors, church, women have been getting the socially cancerous minoritarian narrative delivered by schools, universities and Hollyweird. And being compliant … women tend to lap it up and comply with it.

    4) Minoritarianizing women (Jewish feminism)
    One of the “achievements” of Jewish 2nd wave feminism was to minoritarianize women–get women to see themselves as an aggrieved, put upon, minority like the Jews imagine themselves.

    This is of course … ridiculous. Women are not any kind of minority. Women are one of the two sexes, inherently complementary with their men. (Every man has a mother, and usually a wife and sisters and/or daughters. We exist as a people together.) And 2nd wave feminism was possible only because American men had done such a good job utilizing technological breakthroughs (esp. the electric revolution) that women’s domestic duties were significantly reduced/eased–lighting, heating control, washing, cooking, shopping, cleaning, even child care–making other work at least possible while breakthroughs were likewise mitigating the need for male strength/robustness in more and more jobs. American women–then or now–are not oppressed but among the most “privileged” people in human history.

    But … Jewish yada, yada, yada … it sort of worked. A lot of American women manage to conjure up some narrative of being “oppressed” and are often unhappy–usually because unfulfilled nurturing noted above. And such women are suckers for the latest minoritarian oppression narrative. (Though the last year or two, white women are finding out how low on the oppression totem pole they actually are.)

    0) Social media
    And the four tendencies above … now suddenly matter much more. Because with social media … we now “hear” “women’s voices”–particularly young women’s voices. Why anyone would feel compelled to listen to young women–to take their “ideas” seriously–is beyond me. Of the old/young male/female split, young women are far and away the most ignorant and least rational quadrant. Not where a society should go to find “wisdom”. But people nonetheless react to their braying on social media.

    ~~

    Those are my big five. Take ’em for what you will.

    But my main point is that this “woke” freakout reads like a very feminine hissy on top of the long takeover our nation’s ideology by Jewish minoritarianism:

    Woke insanity is Jewish minoritarianism with a female twist.

    • Agree: Patrick in SC, MBlanc46
    • Thanks: Mark G., Coemgen
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You do your cause no favor to label minoritarianism as "Jewish minoritarianism". First of all, just by labeling it as such, you alienate many people, not just Jews but many non-Jews who might otherwise be sympathetic to your views but are not willing to espouse what they would perceive as anti-Semitism. Just call it minoritarianism - it's an ideology, it's not a taint that's in the blood. Anyone of any race can subscribe to an ideology.

    2nd, it's not true. Not all minoritarians are Jews and not all Jews are minoritarians. If there were no Jews in America, minoritarianism would still exist. All those Antifas with Germanic names who keep getting arrested are minoritarians but they ain't Jewish minoritarians. All those undocumented shoppers are not Jews. Sure, in the past (and this includes a lot of aging Baby Boomers who are still kicking around) Jews were disproportionately represented on the Left but they were never the whole problem and as time goes on and secular Jews are breeding themselves out of existence they are going to be less and less a part of the Left, especially since much of the Left is actively hostile to Jews (and actually to Jews and not just to "Zionists" like they sometimes claim).

    All of this summer's insanity was about BLACK lives matter. Not about Jews or immigrants or minorities in general. Bringing black people here as slaves (and then not sending them back to Africa when slavery was over) was America's original sin. You can't pin that one on the Jews (not to say that Jews were 100% absent from the slave trade but they were not the prime movers, not because they had any qualms about participating in the slave trade but because there simply weren't many Jews in early America). Jews were involved in the early civil rights battles but blacks ejected them from their movement long ago. The Marxists who run BLM have no particular love for Jews.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Chris Renner, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldian, @James Forrestal

    , @Coemgen
    @AnotherDad

    "Misplaced nurture" rings true. It explains what Sailer refers to as "leapfrogging loyalties."

    The question is: How do we redirect "misplaced nurture" away from anti-social activity?

    , @S. Anonyia
    @AnotherDad

    Young women are silly because they are socialized into excessive niceness and shielded from the problems of the world. Working class women aren’t protected, so they have a great deal more common sense even if lower IQ’s. Parents, teach your daughters to be a little hard-nosed and you’ll find society will gradually correct itself a little. You’ll find that girls who were raised as the surrogate “son” because their parents had no boys (like me) are almost always fairly conservative. Won’t resolve all of our problems though- those are more fundamental and come from spiritual vacuums.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  108. @Altai
    Wokeness won because in the US post the socioeconomic maturation of the great wave immigrants first the collective interests of old-stock WASPs and then whites was made implicitly illegitimate to advocate for. This was accepted because it was assumed and communicated that their status and security (Material, social and demographic) was ultimately unassailable. (The only non-whites of significance were blacks and they were safely in a low status) It's like the deference an older brother is supposed to show his younger brother when they're fighting. The natives worry so much about insulting immigrants that the daily insult of their demands and social/economic/demographic displacement of the natives goes ignored. You've essentially said the people everyone thinks own the country (Including the immigrants and immigrants at heart) actually don't and at that point why would you expect them to be able to have a say in what happens to it?

    In the modern there is a purity/defilement stance pushed by SJWs, the minute a single black person arrived in Iceland, then what difference does 50,000 coming make or do you think that single black person's feelings are less important than the feelings of the 99.99999% of the rest of the population?

    It exploits the essential non-ethnocentric good natures of peoples and ironically is the best way not to spread these values but destroy them.

    But, of course, this opened the door for endless demands at the collective (Not necessarily individual) expense of whites, it becomes a ratchet effect. The only limit is how bold somebody feels and if the media feel like amplifying their voice. Otherwise nobody can maintain any social standing in America by saying they are acting in the interests of whites or resisting demands upon whites they find illegitimate.

    The same thing is happening across the Western world today. The indigenous peoples of Western European countries exist only to provide a substrate upon which immigrants can anneal. Whether it is to the benefit or desires of the natives is irrelevant. 'Racism' in 2020 includes whites acting collectively for their own interests in any way.

    One resource that I found that is very interesting is a YouTube channel with compilations of gay rights news story clips over several decades showing the changing face and demands of the gay rights lobby. It's interesting how things changed over time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYZiKGe3Qbc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcLjfDatWMk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dhHvBIMh0U

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5dW2wqTF4Q

    Replies: @Jack D

    I’m sorry but I’m not buying Garden of Eden explanations like “it’s all gone bad because white people are too good and kind and naive and trusting. Everything was perfect until those Jews showed up and tricked white people out of their patrimony. Shoulda never let ’em in and then everything would have been fine.”

    These are the same white people who once conquered the world and who had no qualms about dragging people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free (and that, BTW, caused no end of problems to this day and was something that white people did to themselves). Something changed in the nature of white people themselves and it wasn’t the Joos who done it to them. Blaming others for your woes is what black people do all the time. It is unbecoming of the once proud race of white people. It’s one of the things that made Hitler so pathetic – there was no stab in the back. Sometime you lose despite your best efforts. You need to look in the mirror and consider what you could have done differently, not go looking for scapegoats.

    If Joos really did what people here say they did, the response of whites should have been GTFO of here (not literally, but in the sense that “we’re in charge here and we’re not buying any of your crazy bullshit”). That’s what it would have been at one time but something caused it to change. Maybe it goes back to female suffrage, but then you have to go back even further and analyze what had already changed in the society that women were now demanding the vote and that men were now willing to give in to their demands.

    Then there is the problem that the Leftist critique was fundamentally right. Suppressing the rights of blacks, treating gay’s private bedroom behavior as criminal, excluding women from the vote and the workforce, etc. – all of those things were fundamentally wrong and un-American. One of Alinsky’s rules was “make the other side live up to their own rule book.” OTOH, you can view this as a cynical ploy or a tactic but OTOH, isn’t it right that we should live up to our ideals? The American experiment was founded on the premise that all men were created equal (while at the same time things in fact were far from equal) and in the long run those contradictions had to be resolved and the promise met. It requires a superhuman, unsustainable effort to maintain a reactionary regime indefinitely. You can never let up your guard.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    These are the same white people who once conquered the world and who had no qualms about dragging people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free

    You mean going to African ports and trading trinkets and spice for enslaved Africans in a pre-existing slave market dominated by Arabs. But I know that doesn't have quite the same denigrating ring to it. The schools and media where they try to depict slavery as as Southern White invention since an honest view doesn't morally denigrate Whites to an acceptable level.

    The American experiment was founded on the premise that all men were created equal (while at the same time things in fact were far from equal) and in the long run those contradictions had to be resolved and the promise met.

    That wasn't a premise of racial equality. The contradiction only came later when egalitarians decided it was a racial statement and assumed they could keep Jefferson's opinions on race from public access. But even with the internet very few people know of Jefferson's opinions on race.

    However I agree without your overall assertion that blaming everything on the Jews is weak.

    The early abolitionists were not Jews and amusingly played the same magic mulatto game as today's egalitarians where they highlight the work of mulattoes while avoiding frank discussions on biological differences. Many of their appeals were also to Christian ethics which while understandable still leaves certain racial conflicts unsolved. If good intentions (either Christian or liberal) could fix this problem then this website wouldn't exist.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Bill
    @Jack D


    Then there is the problem that the Leftist critique was fundamentally right. Suppressing the rights of blacks, treating gay’s private bedroom behavior as criminal, excluding women from the vote and the workforce, etc. – all of those things were fundamentally wrong and un-American.
     
    In a certain way, this is right. Once you embrace lunatic ideas like freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and "that all men are created equal [and] that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights," you are certain to end in disaster. It was only while the US, in practice, denied all these crazy things it said it believed in principle that it maintained a workable society. If your principles are crazy, then, as the unprincipled exceptions get peeled away, things go straight to Hell.
    , @Elsewhere
    @Jack D


    Then there is the problem that the Leftist critique was fundamentally right. ... One of Alinsky’s rules was “make the other side live up to their own rule book.” OTOH, you can view this as a cynical ploy or a tactic but OTOH, isn’t it right that we should live up to our ideals?
     
    A wise person would consider WHY he isn't living up to his stated ideals before making sweeping changes to try to do so. There may be other factors that would make living up to that particular ideal impossible, undesirable, or unwise. There may be competing ideals to live up to.

    As a Jew, you should understand this very well. The Talmud is full of discussions about how to live out laws that may contradict and when it is right to break certain laws in order to fulfill more important laws.
    , @Not Only Wrathful
    @Jack D

    At least when you blame the majority for a minority's poor behaviour, it makes a degree of sense. There's a substance to numbers. But blaming a tiny minority for the majority's poor behaviour is plain ridiculous.

    You end up having to make the minority impossibly powerful and demonic, while also making the majority just too perfect for this world.

    Neither is even slightly true.

    It is a textbook narcissistic opinion. It looks absurd with distance, but does wonders for how the opinion holder feels about themselves.

  109. Critical Race Theory, black lives matter, woke-nessm white fragility, social justice, etc are all just marketing tools for or strategies to justify reparations, separate and unequal, and government set asides. Look at how anti-racism is defined as paying off blacks for their suffering. How white fragility is not agreeing with paying off blacks or enacting separate and equal treatment. That social justice is meant to shame and bully anyone who does not want to pay off blacks or who wants to hold blacks to the same rules as everyone else.

    If black lives matter but not all lives, then blacks are justified in wanting reparations and separate and unequal that benefits blacks.

    If you read Coates, Kendi, or Hanna-Jones, they are very open about the end point being reparations. Steve may see reparations as just anti-white racism but the end point is not equality but equity in the form of race-based government payments; and separate and unequal treatment that benefits blacks.

  110. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    Why don’t you use the reply feature?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Dave Pinsen

    That habit (not replying, but garnering plenty of replies and agrees) might be the way to compete on IJ's list.

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Dave Pinsen

    Dave Pinsen asked me:


    Why don’t you use the reply feature?
     
    I intended to -- it was late at night and I probably hit the wrong button. Or maybe a browser malfunction. Sorry.

    By the way, I hope it was clear that I was not attacking your own comment but rather trying to broaden the issues.

    All the best,

    Dave

  111. Wokeness is, to borrow a term from the woke, *Systemic* Anti-White Racism. Don’t forget to call it what it really is: Systemic.

  112. @Dave Pinsen
    It’s been winning because we’ve let it, but the Chris Rufo/Tucker/Trump combo shows it’s not impossible to turn the tide. If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector. With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.

    Replies: @jon, @Bill, @SunBakedSuburb, @No0biE, @Anonymous

    Can I borrow some of your optimism?

  113. @El Dato
    @Thulean Friend

    Where does the ethnomasochistic element go here?


    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.
     
    Does the petit bourgeois realize that calling to be put in chains (more than currently by financial obligations, that is), for his daughter to be knifed and for his house to be burnt down might actually make that happen? It seems very un-bourgeois. There needs to be a fat dose of some Brainrot Patent Recipe, regularly administered. What could it be?

    Replies: @El Dato, @Anon

    Our upper middle class is primarily descended from New England Puritans, and they were a masochistic bunch. Their descendants are also masochists who think the more you suffer, the better it makes you.

  114. @jon
    @Dave Pinsen


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example.
     
    Coinbase has already pulled the trigger:

    60 Employees Leave Coinbase Over CEO’s Pledge To Be Apolitical
     
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/10/08/60-employees-leave-coinbase-over-ceos-pledge-to-be-apolitical/#5ee218085a06

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Dave Pinsen, @Steve in Greensboro

    60 Employees Leave Coinbase Over CEO’s Pledge To Be Apolitical

    Will anyone miss them? I find it hard to imagine that these were the company’s most productive employees. Good riddance, and may other companies follow suit.

    I had a corporate job in the 1990s and no one discussed politics at the workplace. Everyone kept their opinions to themselves. It wasn’t a rule, just an understanding that political disagreements cannot be allowed to create friction among employees.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Harry Baldwin

    This was 5% of their workforce (and probably as you say not the BEST 5%) so the other 95% are probably thinking "good riddance". And the ones that quit (they were given a separation package) were not disproportionately minority themselves - lots of Goodwhites. The Woke people can go start their own business and we'll see how well they do.

    , @AndrewR
    @Harry Baldwin

    I'm surprised you haven't noticed that the left has been successful in spreading the idea that "human rights aren't political" and that everything the left wants just conveniently happens to be "human rights" and "apolitical."

    "Political" is rapidly being transformed into meaning "wrongthink"/"Nazism"/"White Supremacy"/"Misogyny"/"Homophobia"/etc

  115. @Pericles
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Mistake to turn the evidence over to the police of the Senator's home state. In the Weiner laptop case, once it was turned over to the NYC police we never heard of all those copied Hillary emails again.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Theoretically the pawn shop owner and The New York Post still have copies of the evidence.

  116. Anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @SFG

    Catholic clergy sure loves to "be given" small children, without the prying eyes of their parents.

    Luther did nothing wrong.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Catholic clergy sure loves to “be given” small children, without the prying eyes of their parents.

    Luther did nothing wrong.

    Martin Luther was a Catholic priest until the age of 38 when he was excommunicated.

    Stupid anti-Catholic bigotry— which has its roots in the culture war— is no way for you to assuage your troubled conscience.

  117. @AnotherDad
    Steve another good Taki column--i will forward to some friends and neighbors. But i think the essay is missing one critical component--women.

    50,000 ft level, this is just what American society looks like under Jewish minoritarianism (minorities oppressed, virtuous; majorities--i.e. white gentiles--oppressive, evil).

    We've had 50+--even 100--years of Jewish "intellectuals"--e.g. Stephen Jay Gould--lying. And their lies propagated throughout and by academia, public education, media, government and of course, Hollyweird. Because Jews have been treated so incredibly well in America--arguably better than any middle man minority has been treated in world history--blacks were the available cudgel to beat whitey and so that's been the focus of American minoritarianism. With the resulting glaring silliness. (Though they can't help Holocausting now and again--making it about them.)

    After a 50+ year march of Jews through all American institutions replacing the WASP sensibility--which despite city-on-a-hill idealists had a sensible Anglo-empiricism strain and a "this is our nation" vibe that works against wrecking the whole joint--here's where we are. This is our nation on minoritarianism. Yes, it's ugly and stupid.

    ~

    But that's the broad 50,000 ft. view. Down at 10,000 feet, other issues can be seen.

    The salient word i didn't see in your essay: "women".

    Our current "woke" insanity is minoritarianism with a female twist.


    There are a few identifiable "women's issues" in play here--more or less in order of importance:

    1) Misplaced Nurture.
    Women's emotional state is tuned towards nurture. That's their critical role--birthing, nursing and nurturing their children. This tunes women a bit naturally toward the "left" in social welfare terms. The "social welfare" party promises to take care of women, which eases their great social/sexual risk/fear--failure of male provision/abandonment. (The male analog risk/fear is being cuckolded--your resources spent on another man's kids. Which tends to orient men against social welfarism--at least of non-working parasites.)

    Nurture is a poor emotion for politics. Politics is properly about the external and general: protection from invasion, public order and only then improving material conditions ("promote the general welfare")--sort of broad "nurture".

    Now we have millions of women--especially young women--who simply do not have their own children to do their nurturing on. Female careerism pushes child bearing out past their prime fertility while immigration crushes "affordable family formation". (Obesity and bad attitudes suppress marriage and fertility further.) Millions of additional women are childless and almost all have only a few children and spare "nurturing cycles". This misplaced "nurturing" is projected outward to the helpless "oppressed" other and is a political disaster.

    2) Emotionalism/Anti-rationalism
    On average women are much more emotional and less rational. Their natural child bearing role requires successfully navigating social relationships in the tribe. Men on the other hand are in direct sexual competition which involves aggression and physicality, but also outward impersonal analysis: "will this be a good club?", "we need a harder spearpoint that will hold an edge and won't break", "what if we hid 20 guys in those rocks, then when the Kendi hunters came by we'd have them by surprise, surrounded, could kill them, then would defeat the remainder at camp and enjoy their women and have these hunting grounds to ourselves."

    Men--most white men--can be turned by arguments like "Democrats are saying the police are particularly picking on and shooting blacks? Hmm, let's look at the police shooting data and compare with the violent crime data and see if that's true." That simply doesn't twang the neurons of most women. It's "look what they did to poor George Floyd ... he was kneeling on his neck!!!"

    3) Female compliance.
    Women are the more compliant--"stay within the lines"--sex. That's how it should be. You don't need to go outside the lines to bear, nurse and raise children (at least in any society that is going to last!). Staying inside the lines is goodness. Men might need to go outside the lines in sexual competition, to advance in status, to make a discovery.

    As long as society is healthy with a "narrative" that reinforces its continuance and survival this feminine compliance is all to the good.

    But now after 50 years of Jewish minoritarianism instead of a healthy narrative delivered by family, neighbors, church, women have been getting the socially cancerous minoritarian narrative delivered by schools, universities and Hollyweird. And being compliant ... women tend to lap it up and comply with it.

    4) Minoritarianizing women (Jewish feminism)
    One of the "achievements" of Jewish 2nd wave feminism was to minoritarianize women--get women to see themselves as an aggrieved, put upon, minority like the Jews imagine themselves.

    This is of course ... ridiculous. Women are not any kind of minority. Women are one of the two sexes, inherently complementary with their men. (Every man has a mother, and usually a wife and sisters and/or daughters. We exist as a people together.) And 2nd wave feminism was possible only because American men had done such a good job utilizing technological breakthroughs (esp. the electric revolution) that women's domestic duties were significantly reduced/eased--lighting, heating control, washing, cooking, shopping, cleaning, even child care--making other work at least possible while breakthroughs were likewise mitigating the need for male strength/robustness in more and more jobs. American women--then or now--are not oppressed but among the most "privileged" people in human history.

    But ... Jewish yada, yada, yada ... it sort of worked. A lot of American women manage to conjure up some narrative of being "oppressed" and are often unhappy--usually because unfulfilled nurturing noted above. And such women are suckers for the latest minoritarian oppression narrative. (Though the last year or two, white women are finding out how low on the oppression totem pole they actually are.)

    0) Social media
    And the four tendencies above ... now suddenly matter much more. Because with social media ... we now "hear" "women's voices"--particularly young women's voices. Why anyone would feel compelled to listen to young women--to take their "ideas" seriously--is beyond me. Of the old/young male/female split, young women are far and away the most ignorant and least rational quadrant. Not where a society should go to find "wisdom". But people nonetheless react to their braying on social media.

    ~~

    Those are my big five. Take 'em for what you will.

    But my main point is that this "woke" freakout reads like a very feminine hissy on top of the long takeover our nation's ideology by Jewish minoritarianism:

    Woke insanity is Jewish minoritarianism with a female twist.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Coemgen, @S. Anonyia

    You do your cause no favor to label minoritarianism as “Jewish minoritarianism”. First of all, just by labeling it as such, you alienate many people, not just Jews but many non-Jews who might otherwise be sympathetic to your views but are not willing to espouse what they would perceive as anti-Semitism. Just call it minoritarianism – it’s an ideology, it’s not a taint that’s in the blood. Anyone of any race can subscribe to an ideology.

    2nd, it’s not true. Not all minoritarians are Jews and not all Jews are minoritarians. If there were no Jews in America, minoritarianism would still exist. All those Antifas with Germanic names who keep getting arrested are minoritarians but they ain’t Jewish minoritarians. All those undocumented shoppers are not Jews. Sure, in the past (and this includes a lot of aging Baby Boomers who are still kicking around) Jews were disproportionately represented on the Left but they were never the whole problem and as time goes on and secular Jews are breeding themselves out of existence they are going to be less and less a part of the Left, especially since much of the Left is actively hostile to Jews (and actually to Jews and not just to “Zionists” like they sometimes claim).

    All of this summer’s insanity was about BLACK lives matter. Not about Jews or immigrants or minorities in general. Bringing black people here as slaves (and then not sending them back to Africa when slavery was over) was America’s original sin. You can’t pin that one on the Jews (not to say that Jews were 100% absent from the slave trade but they were not the prime movers, not because they had any qualms about participating in the slave trade but because there simply weren’t many Jews in early America). Jews were involved in the early civil rights battles but blacks ejected them from their movement long ago. The Marxists who run BLM have no particular love for Jews.

    • Agree: AKAHorace, dfordoom
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Jack D

    "Not all minoritarians are Jews and not all Jews are minoritarians."

    The Unz Review's Amen Corner can get mighty feverish about Jews which clouds their ability to divine nuance.

    , @Chris Renner
    @Jack D

    I don't comment enough to click the "Agree" button, but I agree.

    , @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    This is not only a gibberish response, it's terrible thinking in terms of having any effect. It depends on obvious false accusations. It gets trotted out regularly and persuades no one. Its silver lining is allowing us, next time someone complains about Nazis (or any other group of people), to demonstrate per Jack that, because other people exist, the complained-about group must not exist. Or respamming the picture of that Minnesota academic with a very apparent ancestry who is probably the most important one guy to BLM/Antifa. And he's not Adam Rothstein (who is a low-level leader, and is probably Episcopalian) or George Soros (who is not Jewish in an irrelevant sense).
    If the Jews ("you people") want us goyim to exercise care in discussing particular subsets of Jews (which sounds like a perfectly reasonable and doable proposition, apart from the fact that this rule never applies anywhere else), then it would probably be best if you people (here meaning the maximum possible range of anyone who could be considered Jewish, doesn't have to be Jack) could designate a term signifying the-particular-subset-in-question-and-not-all-of-the-total-group-in-all-understandings.
    We are not going to stop paying attention to enemies who want us to die (and who are actively and aggressively and illegally working to make that happen), and neither should you.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Good comment/statement of your views Jack.


    You do your cause no favor to label minoritarianism as “Jewish minoritarianism”. First of all, just by labeling it as such, you alienate many people, not just Jews but many non-Jews who might otherwise be sympathetic to your views but are not willing to espouse what they would perceive as anti-Semitism. Just call it minoritarianism – it’s an ideology, it’s not a taint that’s in the blood. Anyone of any race can subscribe to an ideology.
     
    This is a very good point Jack. Post Holocaust, Jews have a protective blanket around themselves. Most white gentiles do not want to be associated with any criticism of Jews just because of the Nazi taint. White the exception of specifically criticizing the Israeli lobby--which many people see as ethnic lobbying on foreign policy and hence not really "in the blanket"--it's actually even now still easier to criticize blacks as a group behaviorally or politically. (Criticism immunity is quite an achievement, but then losing millions of people to get there.)

    My take is this is something of a catch-22 for nationalists like myself. There's the marketing side where "minoritarianism" is the correct term. (I was reading Chris Caldwell's latest and he apparently independently came up with my "minoritarianism" term as well. Good job Chris. He, of course says nothing about the Jews. Smart move Chris!)

    But if you are attempting any sort of honest intellectual history--explain to people how we got here--then it's impossible to do without explaining that it is a Jewish ideology. As a people with a long history as a middle-man minority living within large host gentile populations, Jews are majority hostile and wanted to move the ideology--and state power--to being pro-minority, anti-majority.

    ~~

    2nd, it’s not true. Not all minoritarians are Jews and not all Jews are minoritarians. If there were no Jews in America, minoritarianism would still exist.
     
    Here's where you are either confused, in denial or really stealing not just a base but three or four. I.e. this is the crux of our disagreement.

    Minoritarianism is a Jewish ideology and dominant in the US now because of Jews.

    Would the US have addressed/reformed the situation in the Jim Crow South if Jews were not in America? Yes. Modern broadcast media, modern capitalism, the Cold War all pushed in that direction. We would have put in place all sorts of "equality under the law" But that is not "minoritarianism".

    I've point this ought several times--and neither you nor anyone else has challenged it:

    WASP progressivism was never minoritarianism. If you want the one sentence version it was "everyone should shape up and behave like WASPs". Even the most aggressive WASP progressive campaigns, like abolition were not minoritarian. Abolition's driver was "slaver is evil". It was rooted in Christian universalism--Quakerism, evangelical Protestanism.

    Christian universalism is a real thing--actually the thing Jews rejected in favor of their tribalism--but it is not minoritarianism. Both may talk and propose policy around "fairness". But one is universal, and one is pro-minority, anti-majority. Christian universalism will drive toward (very pleasant) "one-peoplism"--where the US was headed in 1960 before the rise of the Jews. Jewish minoritarianism drives toward (very unpleasant) ethnic, racial, sexual balkanization and contention--where we are today.


    All those Antifas with Germanic names who keep getting arrested are minoritarians but they ain’t Jewish minoritarians.

     

    You've mentioned this several times as if it's deeply telling. It's not. (It only rises to the level of perhaps interesting--in HBD sense--if there's some sort of white ethnic variation--Germans over Irish or English? No idea.)

    Minoritarianism is the ideology of the American state in this age. These creeps in the streets took it with their mother's milk. They were indoctrinated with it in school and university. Hollyweird has relentless pushed it. Soros funds it. If this was 700 years ago, these loons might be on pilgrimage. 800 or 900 years ago maybe go on a crusade. Minoritarianism rather than Christianity is the reigning ideology today ... so they are doing this.

    You can find white gentile women deeply invested in the "diversity" racket--like the white fragility gal. (Reasons for this problem were the point of my comment.) That doesn't mean gentile women created minoritarianism anymore than seeing nuns in a convent meant they created Christianity.

    All of this summer’s insanity was about BLACK lives matter. Not about Jews or immigrants or minorities in general. Bringing black people here as slaves (and then not sending them back to Africa when slavery was over) was America’s original sin.
     
    That 1619 was deeply stupid is without a doubt. And yes my ancestors were responsible not "the Jews". (I can't say any of mine were directly involved--i've got some generic Anglos, some Quakers, a snip of Scots-Irish--but they were around, probably not here in 1619, but later.)

    Without the Jews would we be having this summer's riots. No. Blacks might be having a riot over some police incident. That happens--see 1992 in LA.

    But we absolutely positively would not be having this gianormous minoritarian hissy fit--the protests, the virtue signalling yard signs, the "defund the police" and general willingness of Democrat politicians to give up on rule-of-law without Jews and minoritarianism.

    The core concept--the sacralizing of blacks as a sainted minority oppressed by tyrannical "structurally racist" whitey ... who really should not have to get arrested--that all flows specifically from minoritarianism. Christian--one-law-for-everyone--universalism simply does not get your there.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Jack D

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Jack D


    If there were no Jews in America, minoritarianism would still exist.
     
    I'm saying this all the time, but nobody would listen.

    Bringing black people here as slaves (and then not sending them back to Africa when slavery was over) was America’s original sin.
     
    It was a huge mistake, but let's not moralize ("original sin"). All countries have problems with imported blacks. They just don't want to commit collective societal suicide because of that, nor do they give ex-slaves' descendants a sacred status.

    The Marxists who run BLM
     
    Marxists have to do with BLM as much as the Torah with gay pride in Tel Aviv.
    , @James Forrestal
    @Jack D


    You do your cause no favor to label minoritarianism as “Jewish minoritarianism”
     
    Exactly. I couldn't have put it better myself. As you have explained repeatedl, at great length, and with semitic certitude:

    - Goyim are simply NOT ALLOWED to criticize jewish behavior, because reasons

    - Any conflict between the Tribe and any other people/ ethny/ nation is entirely due to a strange, inexplicable, pathological hatred that all goyim harbor towards the chosen people, and has nothing at all to do with jewish actions, because jews never do anything wrong.

    I'm not sure why these people are having such difficulty understanding these simple, straightforward principles after you've robotically repeated them hundreds of times. I blame it on goyishe kop. Don't give up! Tikkun olam, my fellow jewish person.
  118. @peterike
    @PhysicistDave

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the “progressives” — the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment “media,” and all the rest.

    Except that Trump has taken on the Deep State since before he was even elected. Wray will be fired the day after the election if Trump wins. Barr will likely retire. Yes, Trump was surprised by the depths of corruption. You don't think he's figured it out? Guys like you that think Trump is such a dunce, when he's vastly smarter than you'll ever be.

    Trump has gone directly after the "Big Medicine trust." Where do you get your information from? This has been a talking point of his for ages already.

    The news? Does a single day go by that Trump doesn't call them Fake News, call them out on their total bullshit? What's he supposed to do, seize newspapers and throw journalists in jail like Lincoln did?

    The universities? Trump is busily exploding the worst thing about them: all the critical race theory baloney.

    The money-financial cartel? What do you think Trump's trade agreements and return to manufacturing are about? This directly impacts the money cartel and benefits Main Street over Wall Street.

    What do you crybabies expect from a guy who has had four years under constant false attacks to unravel 100 years of Deep State, etc. treachery? And do it with everyone in power opposed to him?

    Name one other Republican or Democrat who would have done a fraction of what Trump has done virtually single-handedly. Who would have even TRIED to do any of these things?

    But keep on whining about how only you know what needs to be done. Meanwhile Trump is doing virtually everything you're asking for. He's a thousand times the man you'll ever be.

    You people don't deserve him.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Guest007, @Harry Baldwin, @PhysicistDave

    I couldn’t agree more. It’s hard to figure out what motivates the black-pillers on this site who delight in declaring that Trump has done absolutely nothing. They’re either concern-trolls or perfectionists for whom half a loaf is no better than no bread at all. They may be disappointed that in one term, in which he has been defied and sabotaged every step of the way, Trump has failed to stop Leviathan dead in its tracks. I’m disappointed too, but there’s no one waiting in the wings ready to do the job better than he has.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Harry Baldwin

    I couldn’t agree more. It’s hard to figure out what motivates the black-pillers on this site who delight in declaring that Trump has done absolutely nothing.

    I don't know their motivation but if I were to discourage voting here that is the strategy I would use.

    That would be true for any alt-whatever or non-mainstream political site.

    If I didn't want socialists to vote for Biden I would depict Biden as no different than Trump to discourage them from voting. Trying to sell them Trump would be impossible.

    I’m disappointed too, but there’s no one waiting in the wings ready to do the job better than he has.

    I don't know why anyone would think that Trump would be able to take down the entire system. That would be an unrealistic expectation and if anything we need Trump to put his finger in the dyke until someone figures out a real plan. We need a plan to break the foundation of establishment.

    Voting for Biden is an affirmation of the establishment and the press. You are saying you support their constant lying and cover-ups like the current Biden laptop affair.

    I also don't like the game the press is playing with Biden. They pressured him into taking a Blackish woman as VP that lost in the nomination process. It's a con game. They want Biden to drop before his 4 years are up and make a 1% Black woman president. In their minds that is progress and will help stop the Bad Whites. It's all just so dishonest and nihilistic.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Harry Baldwin


    It’s hard to figure out what motivates the black-pillers on this site who delight in declaring that Trump has done absolutely nothing.
     
    Psychologically immature whiners.
    , @anon
    @Harry Baldwin

    Wokeness is the logical extension of libtardness going all the way back to the 1950's. All the libtard remedies have failed due to biology, so given Kendi's choice the libtards are down with "white evil" as a cause for social issues. There were members of the French nobility who were initially on the side of the 1793 revo because the Ancien' Regime was so despicable. Many of them were probably surprised when they found themselves in a tumbrel.

    Andy Sullivan is one such "But, wait, I'm on your side" moron who didn't see where his own minoritarianity leads. He's part of the problem, but now he's part of a solution at the New Duranty Times. Since he's pretty much incapable of learning anything, we shouldn't expect him to learn from this defenestration, either.

    It’s hard to figure out what motivates the black-pillers on this site who delight in declaring that Trump has done absolutely nothing.

    They peddle Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Note the date? Watch and see how many are left after November.

    , @Anon7
    @Harry Baldwin

    Thank you. I wonder if too many people today under sixty just never had a decent course in civics. That's where I learned that the President is not a king - he can't just decree that the wall shall be built, that Obamacare will be replaced, that chain migration will end, and so on.

    Especially with activist federal judges who can basically obstruct even those orders that are legal for six months or a year, until they get to the Supreme Court.

    Basically, we sent Donald Trump to Washington with no help - and most of the Republican establishment was just been waiting for him to leave, so they can go back to what they were doing before he arrived.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @William Badwhite
    @Harry Baldwin


    Trump has failed to stop Leviathan dead in its tracks...but there’s no one waiting in the wings ready to do the job better than he has.
     
    I had hoped that by year four of Trump there would be a number of 2nd Acts with some potential, Trumpian views and willingness to ridicule the political class but a bit more disciplined. Alas, as far as I know there are none. I think the Repubs' plan is to just go back to business as usual: more wars, more immigration, more globalization.

    But things aren't going back to usual. Besides pulling the pants down on the GOP(e) types - clowns like Romney - the mainstream media has permanently beclowned themselves and given away all credibility. We're in for interesting times (in the Chinese proverb way, not in the Hmm Interesting way).
  119. @jon
    @Dave Pinsen


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example.
     
    Coinbase has already pulled the trigger:

    60 Employees Leave Coinbase Over CEO’s Pledge To Be Apolitical
     
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/10/08/60-employees-leave-coinbase-over-ceos-pledge-to-be-apolitical/#5ee218085a06

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Dave Pinsen, @Steve in Greensboro

    Right. I was thinking about that too.

  120. @Harry Baldwin
    @jon

    60 Employees Leave Coinbase Over CEO’s Pledge To Be Apolitical

    Will anyone miss them? I find it hard to imagine that these were the company's most productive employees. Good riddance, and may other companies follow suit.

    I had a corporate job in the 1990s and no one discussed politics at the workplace. Everyone kept their opinions to themselves. It wasn't a rule, just an understanding that political disagreements cannot be allowed to create friction among employees.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AndrewR

    This was 5% of their workforce (and probably as you say not the BEST 5%) so the other 95% are probably thinking “good riddance”. And the ones that quit (they were given a separation package) were not disproportionately minority themselves – lots of Goodwhites. The Woke people can go start their own business and we’ll see how well they do.

  121. @Reg Cæsar

    A fundamental Constitutional question is whether the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of “the equal protection of the laws” applies to whites...
     
    We should dust off Section 2, which denies appropriating seats by counting those prohibited from voting. That would take six to twelve away from California. Montanans would like their second seat back.

    Similarly, in 2019–2020, only one percent of blacks scored 1400 or higher on the SAT, compared to seven percent of whites...
     
    I didn't quite make it to 1400, but was in the one percent of the day. My SAT score got me into Mensa, when it still counted. 1400 ain't what it used to be.

    On average, what blacks need is not indulgence of their bad habits, but discipline administered as a matter of course.

     

    Does any state still permit horse whips?

    Likewise, when Sullivan, as editor of The New Republic, published an excerpt from Murray and Richard Herrnstein’s The Bell Curve in 1994, Sullivan’s underlings rebelled, in a prefiguration of today’s Woke mutinies by junior staffers.

     

    Around the same time, the young staff at Giovanni's Room, the largest gay bookstore in the US, threatened to walk out if the owner didn't take NAMbLA Bulletin [sic] off the shelves. Where Mr Raw Muscle Glutes stood, or knelt, on this issue I don't know, but it sure looks parallel in some way.

    First, we should admit that Wokeness is not Marxism, which is a theory about class rather than race.
     
    No, it's a blueprint for power using economic-class analysis as a veil.


    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/l1IAAOSw2IVbXbxC/s-l640.jpg

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “a blueprint for power using economic-class analysis as a veil”

    The left abandonment of class struggle is not obscured in anyway. Woke is proving to be the most effective divide and conquer psywar weapon in the elite arsenal.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @SunBakedSuburb


    The left abandonment of class struggle is not obscured in anyway.
     
    Of course. But why did they abandon it? Because identity struggle is found to be a more efficient path to their true goal all along: unanswered power.

    Why do you think that no leftist group ever respects the other side's right to counter them? This is their one consistent feature.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  122. In the Snopes era talk about disinformation or harmful narratives signified damage control, but in the age of Joan Donovan the journalist on the harmful narratives beat is actively attacking you and trying to get you fired, in part by learning what you buy on Amazon.
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1318782576912453633.html

  123. @Jack D
    @Altai

    I'm sorry but I'm not buying Garden of Eden explanations like "it's all gone bad because white people are too good and kind and naive and trusting. Everything was perfect until those Jews showed up and tricked white people out of their patrimony. Shoulda never let 'em in and then everything would have been fine."

    These are the same white people who once conquered the world and who had no qualms about dragging people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free (and that, BTW, caused no end of problems to this day and was something that white people did to themselves). Something changed in the nature of white people themselves and it wasn't the Joos who done it to them. Blaming others for your woes is what black people do all the time. It is unbecoming of the once proud race of white people. It's one of the things that made Hitler so pathetic - there was no stab in the back. Sometime you lose despite your best efforts. You need to look in the mirror and consider what you could have done differently, not go looking for scapegoats.

    If Joos really did what people here say they did, the response of whites should have been GTFO of here (not literally, but in the sense that "we're in charge here and we're not buying any of your crazy bullshit"). That's what it would have been at one time but something caused it to change. Maybe it goes back to female suffrage, but then you have to go back even further and analyze what had already changed in the society that women were now demanding the vote and that men were now willing to give in to their demands.

    Then there is the problem that the Leftist critique was fundamentally right. Suppressing the rights of blacks, treating gay's private bedroom behavior as criminal, excluding women from the vote and the workforce, etc. - all of those things were fundamentally wrong and un-American. One of Alinsky's rules was "make the other side live up to their own rule book." OTOH, you can view this as a cynical ploy or a tactic but OTOH, isn't it right that we should live up to our ideals? The American experiment was founded on the premise that all men were created equal (while at the same time things in fact were far from equal) and in the long run those contradictions had to be resolved and the promise met. It requires a superhuman, unsustainable effort to maintain a reactionary regime indefinitely. You can never let up your guard.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Bill, @Elsewhere, @Not Only Wrathful

    These are the same white people who once conquered the world and who had no qualms about dragging people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free

    You mean going to African ports and trading trinkets and spice for enslaved Africans in a pre-existing slave market dominated by Arabs. But I know that doesn’t have quite the same denigrating ring to it. The schools and media where they try to depict slavery as as Southern White invention since an honest view doesn’t morally denigrate Whites to an acceptable level.

    The American experiment was founded on the premise that all men were created equal (while at the same time things in fact were far from equal) and in the long run those contradictions had to be resolved and the promise met.

    That wasn’t a premise of racial equality. The contradiction only came later when egalitarians decided it was a racial statement and assumed they could keep Jefferson’s opinions on race from public access. But even with the internet very few people know of Jefferson’s opinions on race.

    However I agree without your overall assertion that blaming everything on the Jews is weak.

    The early abolitionists were not Jews and amusingly played the same magic mulatto game as today’s egalitarians where they highlight the work of mulattoes while avoiding frank discussions on biological differences. Many of their appeals were also to Christian ethics which while understandable still leaves certain racial conflicts unsolved. If good intentions (either Christian or liberal) could fix this problem then this website wouldn’t exist.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @John Johnson

    I didn't say that white people went into the bush and captured slaves. You're right that for the most part they purchased them in slave ports. What I said was that they dragged people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free. That part is absolutely true. And the fact that they didn't personally capture the slaves does not take away their moral responsibility. If I am selling heroin to 12 year olds, the fact that I did not personally grow the poppies and that if I didn't buy the heroin then the growers in Afghanistan would just sell it to someone else does not negate my responsibility at all.

    Jefferson himself (not a stupid man) understood the contradictions in his own words. Remember that 1619 was over 150 years before the founding of the Republic. The Founding Fathers had basically the same problem that we have today - you have all of these people here , we should never have started down this road but we did, a long time ago. Now what do you do with them? There was a sort of fantasy that we could send them back to where they came from (the 19th century version of "they all have to go back") but it was unachievable as a practical matter, or at least it was never actually achieved.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @OilcanFloyd, @OilcanFloyd

  124. @Dave Pinsen
    @PhysicistDave

    Why don’t you use the reply feature?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @PhysicistDave

    That habit (not replying, but garnering plenty of replies and agrees) might be the way to compete on IJ’s list.

  125. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You do your cause no favor to label minoritarianism as "Jewish minoritarianism". First of all, just by labeling it as such, you alienate many people, not just Jews but many non-Jews who might otherwise be sympathetic to your views but are not willing to espouse what they would perceive as anti-Semitism. Just call it minoritarianism - it's an ideology, it's not a taint that's in the blood. Anyone of any race can subscribe to an ideology.

    2nd, it's not true. Not all minoritarians are Jews and not all Jews are minoritarians. If there were no Jews in America, minoritarianism would still exist. All those Antifas with Germanic names who keep getting arrested are minoritarians but they ain't Jewish minoritarians. All those undocumented shoppers are not Jews. Sure, in the past (and this includes a lot of aging Baby Boomers who are still kicking around) Jews were disproportionately represented on the Left but they were never the whole problem and as time goes on and secular Jews are breeding themselves out of existence they are going to be less and less a part of the Left, especially since much of the Left is actively hostile to Jews (and actually to Jews and not just to "Zionists" like they sometimes claim).

    All of this summer's insanity was about BLACK lives matter. Not about Jews or immigrants or minorities in general. Bringing black people here as slaves (and then not sending them back to Africa when slavery was over) was America's original sin. You can't pin that one on the Jews (not to say that Jews were 100% absent from the slave trade but they were not the prime movers, not because they had any qualms about participating in the slave trade but because there simply weren't many Jews in early America). Jews were involved in the early civil rights battles but blacks ejected them from their movement long ago. The Marxists who run BLM have no particular love for Jews.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Chris Renner, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldian, @James Forrestal

    “Not all minoritarians are Jews and not all Jews are minoritarians.”

    The Unz Review’s Amen Corner can get mighty feverish about Jews which clouds their ability to divine nuance.

  126. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1318545268929941513

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @jon, @El Dato, @Bill, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @AndrewR, @JimDandy, @J.Ross

    Spoiled overgrown children who desperately need meaning in their life.

  127. @Harry Baldwin
    @peterike

    I couldn't agree more. It's hard to figure out what motivates the black-pillers on this site who delight in declaring that Trump has done absolutely nothing. They're either concern-trolls or perfectionists for whom half a loaf is no better than no bread at all. They may be disappointed that in one term, in which he has been defied and sabotaged every step of the way, Trump has failed to stop Leviathan dead in its tracks. I'm disappointed too, but there's no one waiting in the wings ready to do the job better than he has.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Bardon Kaldian, @anon, @Anon7, @William Badwhite

    I couldn’t agree more. It’s hard to figure out what motivates the black-pillers on this site who delight in declaring that Trump has done absolutely nothing.

    I don’t know their motivation but if I were to discourage voting here that is the strategy I would use.

    That would be true for any alt-whatever or non-mainstream political site.

    If I didn’t want socialists to vote for Biden I would depict Biden as no different than Trump to discourage them from voting. Trying to sell them Trump would be impossible.

    I’m disappointed too, but there’s no one waiting in the wings ready to do the job better than he has.

    I don’t know why anyone would think that Trump would be able to take down the entire system. That would be an unrealistic expectation and if anything we need Trump to put his finger in the dyke until someone figures out a real plan. We need a plan to break the foundation of establishment.

    Voting for Biden is an affirmation of the establishment and the press. You are saying you support their constant lying and cover-ups like the current Biden laptop affair.

    I also don’t like the game the press is playing with Biden. They pressured him into taking a Blackish woman as VP that lost in the nomination process. It’s a con game. They want Biden to drop before his 4 years are up and make a 1% Black woman president. In their minds that is progress and will help stop the Bad Whites. It’s all just so dishonest and nihilistic.

  128. @mmack
    Steve, somewhat O/T, but related to your San Diego schools post.

    Lowell High School in San Francisco follows the path of Thomas Jefferson High School and the San Diego public schools:

    https://www.joannejacobs.com/2020/10/elite-sf-school-will-admit-by-lottery-in-21/

    "San Francisco’s elite Lowell High School will admit students by lottery — not grades and test scores — this year, under a proposal to be decided Oct. 20.
    The school board says admitting the top students is too difficult this year, because spring grades were pass-fail and state tests were canceled. But parents fear Lowell, under fire for years because few Latino and Black students qualify, will become just another high school."

    "If the plan is adopted, “siblings of current students would get top priority,” writes Jill Tucker for the San Francisco Chronicle. Next will come students from a mostly black middle school, which got special status in 2018, and those from low-scoring census tracts. Remaining seats would be assigned randomly."

    Stats quote for Steve:

    "Sixty-one percent of Lowell students are Asian American, 18 percent white, 11 percent Hispanic, 8 percent multiracial and 2 percent black. That compares to district enrollment of 29.4 percent Asian American, 14.5 percent white, 32.4 percent Hispanic, 5.9 percent multiracial and 7.8 percent Black."

    The Tiger Moms should understand this. After all, in Japan is it not said "The nail that stands up will be hammered down?"

    Here's the Chronicle's article: https://www.sfchronicle.com/education/article/Chaos-and-a-hot-mic-moment-S-F-school-board-15645962.php

    And a twitter thread from Alison Collins:

    https://twitter.com/AliMCollins/status/1315791631975542785

    A SFUSD Board Member who believes that anyone who opposes this idea is racist: "At a chaotic virtual school board meeting, board member Alison Collins, apparently thinking she was muted, said 'I’m listening to a bunch of racists.'"

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    The California State Constitution was amended, in ‘84, to authorize and establish a government-run lottery, e.g. PowerBall. You know, as yet another, school funding tributary.

    Public lotteries are otherwise NOT authorized in California.

    [MORE]

    This is all so unnecessary.

    Aside from the housing projects kids, who have Lowell slots reserved for them, the average Lowell student’s financial sponsor is probably non-poor.

    Those sponsors — who obviously own/rent $1.5M+ / $5,000+ per month apartments/homes — should be made to pay a user fee (tuition).

    $30,000 per year, per kid sounds about right (no sibling discount).

  129. @Hugo Silva
    The problem with classifying Wokeness as anti-white racism is that the most enthusiastically woke people are Whites. You need to explain why so many Whites hate their own race. In my opinion this a religious phenomenon, Christianity for people who don't believe in God, with the Blacks as sacred martyrs and the Whites showing their piety by uplifting the sacred martyrs.

    Replies: @Bill, @Bardon Kaldian, @Tex, @AndrewR, @Corvinus, @dfordoom

    That’s clearly right. The multicult is an ersatz religion—it’s a belief system which fits imperfectly into the religion-shaped receptor in the human mind. However, the credo of the multicult is anti-white racism.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @Bill

    Woke Whites don't hate themselves or Whites that agree 100% with them, just Whites that disagree with them. Liberals in general are dangerous because other than worshipping at the altar of their god Diversity-Inclusivity-Equity (DIE) they are utterly self-absorbed and amoral. In the name of their god, they will do anything. Anything. They hate the Deplorables guts and want us dead.

    , @pirelli
    @Bill

    It’s definitely a religious phenomenon, as many here and elsewhere have repeatedly and persuasively argued for years and years now, which makes it maddeningly difficult to engage productively with Woke-ists. I’m reminded of a 1940 letter from F. Scott Fitzgerald to his daughter offering her advice on how to interact with Marxists:


    I think it was you who misunderstood my meaning about the comrades. The important thing is this: they had best be treated, not as people holding a certain set of liberal or conservative opinions, but rather as you might treat a set of intensely fanatical Roman Catholics among whom you might find yourself. It is not that you should not disagree with them—the important thing is that you should not argue with them. The point is that Communism has become an intensely dogmatic and almost mystical religion, and whatever you say, they have ways of twisting it into shapes which put you in some lower category of mankind (“Fascist,” “Liberal,” “Trotskyist”), and disparage you both intellectually and personally in the process. They are amazingly well organized. The pith of my advice is: think what you want, the less said the better...

    You must have some politeness toward ideas. You can neither cut through, nor challenge nor beat the fact that there is an organized movement over the world before which you and I as individuals are less than the dust. Some time when you feel very brave and defiant and haven’t been invited to one particular college function, read the terrible chapter in Das Kapital on The Working Day, and see if you are ever quite the same.
     
  130. Public school is the state church, wokeness is part of the state religion.

  131. @brabantian
    Re 'it's not Marxism', there's a general confusion flowing out of the 'cultural Marxism' label, the policies of which are indeed an inversion and denial of much of classical Marxism

    But - Wokism IS 'Cultural Marxism'

    'Cultural Marxism' is called that way, because it is a new phase for the same people who used to be classical Marxists, and it is a method for achieving the essential Leninist goal, using Leninist means:

    (1) A dictatorship of elites claiming to 'serve the people'
    (2) Achieving power by weaponising sets of minorities against the middle mass of citizens, and
    (3) Especially targeting the destruction of the 'petit bourgeois' middle class, the intrinsic fountain of resistance to communist dictatorship.

    'Fascism' supported petit bourgeois; 'communism' levels most plebs under a narrow elite.

    Historically, the figures who set up cultural Marxism - which we now experience as 'Wokism' - figures such as Lukacs and Gramsci and then the Frankfurt School and above all Herbert Marcuse, quite leading into the Wokism of today - saw that outside of poor countries such as 1917 Russia, the revolution was impossible in the West as long as petit bourgeois traditional family life was satisfying Western working classes.

    Therefore the goal of Leninists in the West, as defined by the significantly Jewish Cultural Marxists, was to destroy the family, and destroy all things sustaining traditional bourgeois life of the great middle class:
    - The 'racist' phrase began to be used, weaponising ethnic minorities
    - Migration was promoted, to destroy ethnic cohesion and create ethnic conflict
    - Gays and LGBT agenda was promoted, to demean conventional sexuality
    - Family-ruining divorce and feminism and sexual practices were fostered, including contraception, abortion, free love, easy divorce, some of which were concretely seen to create social chaos and anarchy in Moscow in the brief esperiment under Lenin after 1917, before Stalin restored the soft patriarchy
    - Those trying to hold on to traditional culture, across-the-board to be denounced as 'fascists' etc, 'beyond the pale', as in all the Woke stuff we see today

    In his Stalinist phase, Irish writer Gearóid Ó Colmáin, author of the striking 'Coercive Engineered Migration' series, dared to remind fellow leftists that Marx and Engels themselves denounced engineered ethnic migration as an oligarch tool of manipulation and destruction of working class people, and was anti-LGBT etc. But that's old Marxism, not the new 'cultural Marxism'.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon, @Bardon Kaldian, @Dube, @L. Guapo

    ” Family-ruining divorce and feminism and sexual practices were fostered, including contraception,”

    So, under the cover of “save the White race” you want to implement alien episcopal supremacy and return us to the Dark Ages, eh? Try again, you Papist — the Prots know!

    In the immortal words of a Belfast graffito: Fuck the Next Pope!

  132. Some racial “wokeness”:

    https://www.ispot.tv/ad/t7zC/vaseline-equitable-care-for-skin-of-color

    https://www.vaseline.com/us/en?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=bing&utm_campaign=Always+On_CN000557_CH1183_BH0499_US_Brand-EX&utm_term=vaseline&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=5-Skin-Care-Unidentified_L_Brand_BRD_EXA_None&utm_term=vaseline&utm_content=Core&gclid=CMec4u2TxuwCFYPtswodH1YFVg&gclsrc=ds

    My response to Unilever, even if fruitless and futile:

    I recently saw (on multiple occasions) your Vaseline black equity skin care advertisement. While I share your desire to have products available for everyone regardless of race, your advertisement is the most racially inflammatory and offensive, as well as actually racist, advertisement that I have ever seen. Henceforth, I will never buy Vaseline again and I will actively begin looking for alternatives to all of the other Unilever products that I buy. And I assure you that I have family and friends who feel the same way that I do and will also be ending their relationship to Vaseline and Unilever products. Promoting a product to an under-served market is laudable, but doing so with a racially inflammatory and historically inaccurate advertisement is deplorable, despicable, and disgraceful.

  133. @Jack Armstrong
    @nebulafox

    Not totally OFF TOPIC —


    Man whose body was found in riot wreckage officially identified five months later

    Oscar Lee Stewart's body was found in the wreckage of a pawn shop in July. The shop was destroyed in the May 28 riots.

    MELISSA TURTINEN 20 October 2020

    The man whose body was found in the wreckage of a building that was burned during May's Minneapolis riots has been identified.

    Oscar Lee Stewart Jr., 30, of Burnsville, died at Max It Pawn on Lake Street in Minneapolis, according to the Hennepin County Medical Examiner.

    "This individual died from probable inhalation of products of combustion and thermal injury from an intentional building fire and manner of death is homicide," the medical examiner says.

    The medical examiner doesn't say when Stewart was injured but lists his death as July 20 – the day his body was found in the wreckage in July.

    His body was found weeks after Max It Pawn was burned on May 28. Montez Terriel Lee, of Rochester, was charged in June, accused of setting fire to the pawn shop.

    A Go Fund Me page created in August to help Stewart's family with medical expenses says his family insisted police search the pawnshop for Stewart for "nearly two months" before his body was discovered and DNA confirmed it was him.
     
    https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/man-whose-body-was-found-in-riot-wreckage-officially-identified-five-months-later

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Why didn’t they search the pawn shop themselves?

    Also if the cops there are that lazy and worthless that they didn’t search the pawn shop the moment the family first asked, then I would argue that the rioters should not have stopped besieging police precincts after the first one burned down

  134. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1318545268929941513

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @jon, @El Dato, @Bill, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @AndrewR, @JimDandy, @J.Ross

    Am I just imagining it or did the AP used to be distinguishable from Salon and HuffPo?

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  135. @Jim Don Bob
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I got a Gold Box from Steve (it's framed on my wall) about five years ago. I haven't seen any for quite a while.

    But PD's comment is spot on, and deserves a Gold Box. We are doomed.

    Even if we turn around all the things PD pointed out, we and our children will someday have to deal with the trillions of debt, some say as much as 100 T, that we have incurred. Someone's rice bowl will get broken and it won't be pretty.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @MEH 0910

    Haha! That comment was hilarious, even though the text was lifted from Shawshank Redemption. This was before my time here, and a commenter named Paul Walker ... something ... requested that box for the commenter Jonah. Hey, Steve, has there been nothing that funny written in 4 1/2 years? This is cough cough, bullshit, cough cough ... ;-}

  136. @Harry Baldwin
    @jon

    60 Employees Leave Coinbase Over CEO’s Pledge To Be Apolitical

    Will anyone miss them? I find it hard to imagine that these were the company's most productive employees. Good riddance, and may other companies follow suit.

    I had a corporate job in the 1990s and no one discussed politics at the workplace. Everyone kept their opinions to themselves. It wasn't a rule, just an understanding that political disagreements cannot be allowed to create friction among employees.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AndrewR

    I’m surprised you haven’t noticed that the left has been successful in spreading the idea that “human rights aren’t political” and that everything the left wants just conveniently happens to be “human rights” and “apolitical.”

    “Political” is rapidly being transformed into meaning “wrongthink”/”Nazism”/”White Supremacy”/”Misogyny”/”Homophobia”/etc

  137. @AnotherDad
    Steve another good Taki column--i will forward to some friends and neighbors. But i think the essay is missing one critical component--women.

    50,000 ft level, this is just what American society looks like under Jewish minoritarianism (minorities oppressed, virtuous; majorities--i.e. white gentiles--oppressive, evil).

    We've had 50+--even 100--years of Jewish "intellectuals"--e.g. Stephen Jay Gould--lying. And their lies propagated throughout and by academia, public education, media, government and of course, Hollyweird. Because Jews have been treated so incredibly well in America--arguably better than any middle man minority has been treated in world history--blacks were the available cudgel to beat whitey and so that's been the focus of American minoritarianism. With the resulting glaring silliness. (Though they can't help Holocausting now and again--making it about them.)

    After a 50+ year march of Jews through all American institutions replacing the WASP sensibility--which despite city-on-a-hill idealists had a sensible Anglo-empiricism strain and a "this is our nation" vibe that works against wrecking the whole joint--here's where we are. This is our nation on minoritarianism. Yes, it's ugly and stupid.

    ~

    But that's the broad 50,000 ft. view. Down at 10,000 feet, other issues can be seen.

    The salient word i didn't see in your essay: "women".

    Our current "woke" insanity is minoritarianism with a female twist.


    There are a few identifiable "women's issues" in play here--more or less in order of importance:

    1) Misplaced Nurture.
    Women's emotional state is tuned towards nurture. That's their critical role--birthing, nursing and nurturing their children. This tunes women a bit naturally toward the "left" in social welfare terms. The "social welfare" party promises to take care of women, which eases their great social/sexual risk/fear--failure of male provision/abandonment. (The male analog risk/fear is being cuckolded--your resources spent on another man's kids. Which tends to orient men against social welfarism--at least of non-working parasites.)

    Nurture is a poor emotion for politics. Politics is properly about the external and general: protection from invasion, public order and only then improving material conditions ("promote the general welfare")--sort of broad "nurture".

    Now we have millions of women--especially young women--who simply do not have their own children to do their nurturing on. Female careerism pushes child bearing out past their prime fertility while immigration crushes "affordable family formation". (Obesity and bad attitudes suppress marriage and fertility further.) Millions of additional women are childless and almost all have only a few children and spare "nurturing cycles". This misplaced "nurturing" is projected outward to the helpless "oppressed" other and is a political disaster.

    2) Emotionalism/Anti-rationalism
    On average women are much more emotional and less rational. Their natural child bearing role requires successfully navigating social relationships in the tribe. Men on the other hand are in direct sexual competition which involves aggression and physicality, but also outward impersonal analysis: "will this be a good club?", "we need a harder spearpoint that will hold an edge and won't break", "what if we hid 20 guys in those rocks, then when the Kendi hunters came by we'd have them by surprise, surrounded, could kill them, then would defeat the remainder at camp and enjoy their women and have these hunting grounds to ourselves."

    Men--most white men--can be turned by arguments like "Democrats are saying the police are particularly picking on and shooting blacks? Hmm, let's look at the police shooting data and compare with the violent crime data and see if that's true." That simply doesn't twang the neurons of most women. It's "look what they did to poor George Floyd ... he was kneeling on his neck!!!"

    3) Female compliance.
    Women are the more compliant--"stay within the lines"--sex. That's how it should be. You don't need to go outside the lines to bear, nurse and raise children (at least in any society that is going to last!). Staying inside the lines is goodness. Men might need to go outside the lines in sexual competition, to advance in status, to make a discovery.

    As long as society is healthy with a "narrative" that reinforces its continuance and survival this feminine compliance is all to the good.

    But now after 50 years of Jewish minoritarianism instead of a healthy narrative delivered by family, neighbors, church, women have been getting the socially cancerous minoritarian narrative delivered by schools, universities and Hollyweird. And being compliant ... women tend to lap it up and comply with it.

    4) Minoritarianizing women (Jewish feminism)
    One of the "achievements" of Jewish 2nd wave feminism was to minoritarianize women--get women to see themselves as an aggrieved, put upon, minority like the Jews imagine themselves.

    This is of course ... ridiculous. Women are not any kind of minority. Women are one of the two sexes, inherently complementary with their men. (Every man has a mother, and usually a wife and sisters and/or daughters. We exist as a people together.) And 2nd wave feminism was possible only because American men had done such a good job utilizing technological breakthroughs (esp. the electric revolution) that women's domestic duties were significantly reduced/eased--lighting, heating control, washing, cooking, shopping, cleaning, even child care--making other work at least possible while breakthroughs were likewise mitigating the need for male strength/robustness in more and more jobs. American women--then or now--are not oppressed but among the most "privileged" people in human history.

    But ... Jewish yada, yada, yada ... it sort of worked. A lot of American women manage to conjure up some narrative of being "oppressed" and are often unhappy--usually because unfulfilled nurturing noted above. And such women are suckers for the latest minoritarian oppression narrative. (Though the last year or two, white women are finding out how low on the oppression totem pole they actually are.)

    0) Social media
    And the four tendencies above ... now suddenly matter much more. Because with social media ... we now "hear" "women's voices"--particularly young women's voices. Why anyone would feel compelled to listen to young women--to take their "ideas" seriously--is beyond me. Of the old/young male/female split, young women are far and away the most ignorant and least rational quadrant. Not where a society should go to find "wisdom". But people nonetheless react to their braying on social media.

    ~~

    Those are my big five. Take 'em for what you will.

    But my main point is that this "woke" freakout reads like a very feminine hissy on top of the long takeover our nation's ideology by Jewish minoritarianism:

    Woke insanity is Jewish minoritarianism with a female twist.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Coemgen, @S. Anonyia

    “Misplaced nurture” rings true. It explains what Sailer refers to as “leapfrogging loyalties.”

    The question is: How do we redirect “misplaced nurture” away from anti-social activity?

  138. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1318545268929941513

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @jon, @El Dato, @Bill, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @AndrewR, @JimDandy, @J.Ross

    Mainstream Christianity was dead, but the human need for religion remained. Wokeness and SJW causes are the new religion, and this movement is filling the void in the spiritually bankrupt shells of existing churches–Catholics are polling +10 for Biden, and the Pope just endorsed civil unions for gays.

  139. @Hugo Silva
    The problem with classifying Wokeness as anti-white racism is that the most enthusiastically woke people are Whites. You need to explain why so many Whites hate their own race. In my opinion this a religious phenomenon, Christianity for people who don't believe in God, with the Blacks as sacred martyrs and the Whites showing their piety by uplifting the sacred martyrs.

    Replies: @Bill, @Bardon Kaldian, @Tex, @AndrewR, @Corvinus, @dfordoom

    You need to explain why so many Whites hate their own race.

    Maybe a significant part of whites have a death wish, while most are, as usual in life, opportunists & moral cowards.

  140. @SFG
    Also:

    "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."

    (Ignatius of Loyola or Aristotle--the classics never cease to amaze me.)

    Everyone laughed when they took over the teachers' colleges, but it turned out to be a lot more important than anyone anticipated.

    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980 or so, so that might help someone smarter than me (or more versed in the fine history of American education) in picking this apart.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @R.G. Camara, @Thea, @Thea, @Thulean Friend, @John Johnson, @Mark G., @James O'Meara, @anonymous-antimarxist

    “Everyone laughed when they took over the teachers’ colleges, but it turned out to be a lot more important than anyone anticipated.”

    Please don’t confuse “STEM nerds, IQ fetishists and iSteve readers” with “any/everyone.”

  141. @Harry Baldwin
    @peterike

    I couldn't agree more. It's hard to figure out what motivates the black-pillers on this site who delight in declaring that Trump has done absolutely nothing. They're either concern-trolls or perfectionists for whom half a loaf is no better than no bread at all. They may be disappointed that in one term, in which he has been defied and sabotaged every step of the way, Trump has failed to stop Leviathan dead in its tracks. I'm disappointed too, but there's no one waiting in the wings ready to do the job better than he has.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Bardon Kaldian, @anon, @Anon7, @William Badwhite

    It’s hard to figure out what motivates the black-pillers on this site who delight in declaring that Trump has done absolutely nothing.

    Psychologically immature whiners.

  142. @Jim Don Bob
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I got a Gold Box from Steve (it's framed on my wall) about five years ago. I haven't seen any for quite a while.

    But PD's comment is spot on, and deserves a Gold Box. We are doomed.

    Even if we turn around all the things PD pointed out, we and our children will someday have to deal with the trillions of debt, some say as much as 100 T, that we have incurred. Someone's rice bowl will get broken and it won't be pretty.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910

    I got a Gold Box from Steve (it’s framed on my wall) about five years ago.

    OMG! All this time I’ve been addressing you as Jim Don, or Mr. Bob. Can you forgive me, Sir Bob, Jim Don? (Did I get it right, Reg?)

  143. @peterike
    @PhysicistDave

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the “progressives” — the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment “media,” and all the rest.

    Except that Trump has taken on the Deep State since before he was even elected. Wray will be fired the day after the election if Trump wins. Barr will likely retire. Yes, Trump was surprised by the depths of corruption. You don't think he's figured it out? Guys like you that think Trump is such a dunce, when he's vastly smarter than you'll ever be.

    Trump has gone directly after the "Big Medicine trust." Where do you get your information from? This has been a talking point of his for ages already.

    The news? Does a single day go by that Trump doesn't call them Fake News, call them out on their total bullshit? What's he supposed to do, seize newspapers and throw journalists in jail like Lincoln did?

    The universities? Trump is busily exploding the worst thing about them: all the critical race theory baloney.

    The money-financial cartel? What do you think Trump's trade agreements and return to manufacturing are about? This directly impacts the money cartel and benefits Main Street over Wall Street.

    What do you crybabies expect from a guy who has had four years under constant false attacks to unravel 100 years of Deep State, etc. treachery? And do it with everyone in power opposed to him?

    Name one other Republican or Democrat who would have done a fraction of what Trump has done virtually single-handedly. Who would have even TRIED to do any of these things?

    But keep on whining about how only you know what needs to be done. Meanwhile Trump is doing virtually everything you're asking for. He's a thousand times the man you'll ever be.

    You people don't deserve him.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Guest007, @Harry Baldwin, @PhysicistDave

    If President Trump is vastly smarter than anyone believes then why is he so bad at managing a staff, why does he refuse to read his briefing books, why does he not study issues, why does he so incapable of spotting talent or building an entourage to carry on his policy goals.

    Is there is no way anyone can claim that someone who has never read a book in his life is vastly smarter than everyone else in Washington.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Guest007

    If you are so perceptive why do you seem to be unaware that Donald Trump has had multiple and diverse successes in life?

    Replies: @Guest007

  144. @MEH 0910
    @Jim Don Bob

    I think the gold boxes stopped after this comment:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/we-wont-have-jeb-to-kick-around-anymore/#comment-1332066

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Haha! That comment was hilarious, even though the text was lifted from Shawshank Redemption. This was before my time here, and a commenter named Paul Walker … something … requested that box for the commenter Jonah. Hey, Steve, has there been nothing that funny written in 4 1/2 years? This is cough cough, bullshit, cough cough … ;-}

  145. @martin_2
    Surely "wokeness" cannot really win, at least in the long run, since it is based upon false beliefs about the nature of reality. Racial inequalities in life outcomes are caused by differences in the level of average intelligence across different Races, not by white people oppressing blacks. If you believe or pretend to believe otherwise then things will not go as planned. Its that simple.

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Rob McX, @Travis

    Depends on what “the plan” is. If it’s “maintain and even advance level of technical and cultural civilization,” then no, it won’t work (see: post colonial world)

    If the plan is “consolidate and maintain rule over an amorphous mob of subhumans” then it’s quite feasible. Sure, the planes might not work and the electricity slowly gets more and more intermittent, but the elite will still be better off, and have the traditional pleasures of ruling.

    Eg. Dune, where the elite families seem to live quite well without computers etc. (Of course that’s not Herbert’s point, but still)

    In fact, what I just described is the transition from Imperial Rome to the Dark Ages, which Christians consider a Great Leap Forward. Sure the highways and aqueducts fell apart, but SO WHAT? What about the state of your SOUL?

    Conversely, the transition to the Renaissance/science is seen as a great FALL. People on the Right calling themselves Traditionalists (eg Steve Bannon) or Traditional Catholics (E Michael Jones) and other hobbit-lovers will tell you just that. They only object to the elite being Jews/secularists, rather than priestly knights.

  146. @Redneck farmer
    Maybe the Hispanics will save us like Ron says?

    Replies: @anon

    Destroying the village to save it. Re-sculpturing all the Jefferson and Washington statues into Ibram X. Kendi statues to save them.

    It’s only our reimagination.

    (not criticizing your comment, RF)

  147. @AKAHorace
    @PhysicistDave


    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

     

    There are signs that Trump gets at least some of the problem though. He has tried to ban critical race theory indoctrination in the federal govt, worked lukewarmly on the wall and reduced refugee intake to the lowest it has been in years. If I was an American I would vote for him and hope that all of you who are are do so. The drive for wokeness cuts across borders, a win in one country may spread to others.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    There are signs that Trump gets at least some of the problem though. He has tried to ban critical race theory indoctrination in the federal govt,………….

    He did that because it was brought to his attention by a guest on the Tucker Carlson show a few weeks ago. He did it as a last-minute ploy to shore up his base in a failing campaign. Just like he teased at banning birthright citizenship by EO in 2018, and then did nothing. If he had staffed his administration with people who actually agree with the agenda he ran on, he might have been aware of some of these things – and acted on them – years ago.

  148. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

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    “fake “extra-curricular activities… parasitic verbalist overclass”

    I’m assuming from your handle that a “scientist overclass” of nerds would be OK.

    Since that’s exactly the vulgar postwar American attitude of “a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc.” such as McNamara and the other “best and brightest” technocrats, I don’t see why you’re upset with the world of antifa philistines they produced.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @James O'Meara

    James O'Meara wrote to me:


    I’m assuming from your handle that a “scientist overclass” of nerds would be OK.
     
    Oh, no -- I've known far too many scientists personally to want to have them as a ruling class!

    Or to be more specific, the scientists I've known who were born before 1920 (e.g., Dick Feynman, Luis Alvarez) seemed to me to have entered science out of an honest fascination with understanding how nature works. For those born from 1940 onward, I saw much more of a "careerist" orientation -- not so much a thirst for understanding nature as a desire for a cushy and decently paid academic position. I'm talking general trends here, with of course numerous individual exceptions.

    In any case, I would not want to be governed even by the dedicated scientists like Feynman and Alvarez. Being a brilliant physicist does not make one a brilliant philosopher-king.

    Indeed, I agree with Thoreau that that government is best which governs least. I don't want anyone, no matter how brilliant, controlling the lives of his fellow human beings.

    J O'M also referred to:

    McNamara and the other “best and brightest” technocrats...
     
    As I understand it, McNamara was actually a pretty good manager in private business.

    McNamara's sin was thinking that the techniques that could be applied to managing a corporation in a competitive market, all of whose interactions with customers, suppliers, workers, etc. were essentially voluntary, could be carried over to managing a war, whose participants were conscripts, which was funded by involuntary taxation, and which was essentially mass murder.

    In my earlier comment, the point I was making was that the basic problems in our society are not so much bad individuals (there are always some bad individuals) but rather the changes in the basic structure of our society's institutions, due to progressive ideology, that make it hard for normal people to live productive, fulfilling lives.

    Yes, in McNamara's years as a high-ranking government official, he was one of many contributing to that transformation. But the horrors in which he participated were not due to Bob McNamara being a fundamentally evil human being (from what I hear, he was a nice enough fellow), but rather the evil came from the transformation of our country from a limited, decentralized, individualistic republic into a centralized, bureaucratic, regimented empire in which people's lives were constrained and regimented by the institutions designed and implemented by progressivism -- in the specific case of McNamara, conscription, imperialism, the modern fiscal state, etc.
  149. @JohnnyWalker123
    Wow.

    https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1318707167483121664

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Pericles, @MEH 0910, @Mike_from_SGV, @Johnny Smoggins, @Peter D. Bredon

    Remember when “Billy Beer” was the big Presidential family scandal?

  150. Anonymous[866] • Disclaimer says:

    Why is ‘wokeness’ or PC winning? Because the Power gets to do as it pleases. So, it’s the wrong question. A more sensible question is, “Jews won as the ruling elites, so what are they up to lately?” Another sensible question is, “Why don’t whites take on Jewish Power as the main nemesis? Why not go for the queen and king? Why go after the pawns on the chessboard?” This BLM woke-wakanda is just a pawn on the chessboard dominated by Jewish Power. Jews won already. And that’s why they keep doing stuff like this. So, unless whites address the question of power — which group has it, what is its attitude and agenda —, they won’t get anywhere near a solution.

    This is primarily about the power of Jewish Identity using black identity to browbeat whites with a combination of loopy ideology and obnoxious idolatry. Who spread this PC nonsense? Academia and media. And who dominate those? It sure ain’t Eskimos. Arabs and Muslims may ask a similar question. After so many years of insane US foreign policy, why is ‘Neo-Conservatism’ still the guiding force. Russians may question also. Why after all the mess the US caused in Russia, Ukraine, and neighboring states, why is the US still in ‘cold war’ mode? What sense does it make? It makes no sense unless we factor in the role of Jewish Power. As Jews rule the US(and its allies and puppets, which are at least half the world), the policy of the US will be Judeo-Centric. So, what whites face in the US isn’t all that different from what Palestinians, Syrians, Iranians, Russians, Hungarians, and many others face around the world. Just like US foreign policy has backed, directly or indirectly, Al-Qaeda and ISIS fighters in Syria & Iraq and backed quasi-nazi elements in Ukraine, US domestic policy supports blacks, diversity, and white cucks against saner and prouder whites. Jewish Power has already used homo power to subvert and desecrate Christianity. As Jewish Power controls the US, both foreign and domestic policy is about Jews pitting one bunch of goyim against others.

    Blacks, idiotic or not, don’t own the media. They don’t command the academia. They do have idolatrous value due to sports and pop music. But as most Americans have short memory and a mentality geared towards fads than heritage/history, relevance is accorded to whatever is hyped most. In other words, if Jewish Power hadn’t hyped MLK, Mandela, tropes of American South = Nazism, Emmett Till cult, BLM, and Civil Rights narrative, most Americans wouldn’t be as into blackness. Most people don’t think or seek out truth on their own. They passively accept whatever is pushed down their throats in school or beamed at them through TV and other electronic gadgets. It’s the ‘passive passion’ of couch-potatoes. Watch all these PC-addled TV shows and become charged with ‘woke’ outrage. And Jews have virtual monopoly control of those things.
    And Jews do this not because they’re so crazy about blacks. Jews know blacks are problematic. And most Jews, ‘liberal’ or otherwise, know all about IQ differences. Most Jews know they are smarter even though they won’t admit it publicly. Jews pushed stop-and-frisk in NY for many years. Jews welcomed Bill Clinton as the new kind of Democrat who enacted tough law-and-order policies, all the while placating blacks with photo ops with black secret service men, lending the impression that white bubba loves black bubbas. True, Jews have a certain fascination for blacks as both groups have effectively subverted white America. Both groups have passion for basketball, a game Jews used to dominate when blacks were discriminated against. Jews took musical inspiration from blacks. Jews cashed in big time by controlling sports and music where blacks are prominent. Also, especially following WWII, many Jews sincerely sympathized with people who faced racial discrimination. That said, Jews privately know there are big differences between Jews and blacks. It’s all there in the movie UNCUT GEMS. Brainy diamond merchants and monster-athletes & thugs.

    Be that as it may, the real source of Jewish Power is control of whites, not blacks. By controlling blacks in sports and pop culture, Jews rake in lots of money. Also, Jews need some controls against black crime because it degrades quality of life. Still, if Jews controlled blacks but not whites, Jewish Power would diminish overnight. Blacks are good at ‘cool’ and ‘badass’ things but not most things. It’s whites who are good at most things like managing, soldiering, engineering, and all the myriad things that make up civilization. Besides, whites are still the majority in the West. If blacks came to hate Jews but if whites still supported and served Jews, Jewish Power would be intact. But even if all blacks were servile to Jews but if whites gained independent spirit and racial identity/pride and refused to serve Jews, Jewish Power would effectively be over. Jewish Power can survive black hate and white love but not white hate and black love. White subservience to Jewish Power is the real key to Jewish Power and Hegemony.
    This is why Jews use blacks to morally browbeat whites. It is to rob whites of pride, confidence, and sense of independence. It is to make whites feel that they owe something to Jews and blacks. If Jews stressed white moral debt to JEWS ONLY, it might come across as too greedy and self-centered. Also, Jews are mainly famous as comedians and they don’t command the respect and awe of music stars and athletes, the demigods of our age. That is why Jews need this alliance with blacks. Of course, this is a risky move on the part of Jews. Insulting and humiliating whites can be effective. We certainly see a lot of white cucks and wussies on their knees kissing Jewish toes and washing black feet. But it can also lead to backlash. Whip a horse, and it will usually obey… but there’s always the chance that it will get angry and kick the man with whip in the head. When the Saxon begins to hate…

    This is why Jews use both sweetness and bitterness to manipulate whites. Jews offer up figures like Oprah and Obama. They promise a new age is dawning where all will be well if whites cozy up to Magic Negroes. Also, chants like ‘diversity is our strength’ gives the impression that diversity is the greatest gift to whites. More restaurants, more vibrancy, more excitement. It’s all to add color and flavor to the white world. And whites are made to feel that black athletes are playing for white fans. So, if the NY team wins, the victory is for ALL New Yorkers, white ones too. And black celebrities are coached to say nice things about white folks once in awhile. To be role models for white kids.
    But just in case such isn’t enough to fool white folks, there is also the bitterness narrative. Whites have done terrible things in history, especially to holy Jews and magical blacks; therefore, whites are especially guilty and must atone. New generations of white kids must be taught that they are born with ‘white privilege’ made possible by white oppression and exploitation of Jews, blacks, and others(but mainly Jews and blacks as Jews don’t want white remorse for Muslims and Arabs). And this is where PC ‘wokeness’ enters the discussion. ‘Pokeness’ for happy smiley feelies, and ‘wokeness’ for sad frowny faces.

    So, this isn’t about IQ, crime, or even ideology. Ideology comes with a certain logic, e.g. “if racial discrimination is wrong, then ALL racial discrimination is wrong.” There is no inner logic to ‘wokeness’ except ‘anything goes to make whites servile to Jews, morally and emotionally’.
    If ‘wokeness’ is an ideology, it would raise questions not only about ‘not enough blacks in ice hockey’ but ‘not enough whites, browns, yellows, hindus in NBA and NFL’. But the moral outrage is always about ‘not enough blacks’. Likewise, ‘too many Jews’ is never an issue. Even in Hollywood, the issue is couched in terms of ‘so-white’, not ‘so-Jew’. When Jews are not using the Holocaust or ‘You are Nazi’ card, they use the MLK and Jim Crow card. We know ‘wokeness’ as ideology is BS because Jews, blacks, and so-called ‘progressives’ hardly mutter “Palestinian Lives Matter” and, if anything, actively suppress BDS. Palestinians are resisting Zionist apartheid policies, but most Jews are okay with what Israel is up to. And blacks overlook the blatant ethnic oppression and discrimination. And white ‘liberals’ hail Jews and Israel and say nothing about violation of civil liberties of Palestinians.

    So, ‘wokeness’ is really about idolatry of Jews and blacks. Blacks are crucial because Jews feel that blacks have special juice, voodoo power. In a world where masses are obsessed with sports and rap music has become global, blacks have become ‘iconic’. Anatoly Karlin says even Russian TV is filled with blacks. US Wars for Israel have been killing countless Syrians, but no one in Europe cared. But George Floyd dies of drug OD under police custody, and countless people in US, Canada, and Europe go crazy like black jesus was killed. Just like people ignore most deaths(even those of relatives) but get all worked up over celebrity deaths, people ignore the sufferings and plights of most groups and only care for the special groups.
    A group can be made special by media hype. Like the romanticism about the ‘heroic Kurds’. But some groups have innate special qualities. Jews are especially adept with wit and brain power, blacks are dominant in sports and rhythm. Even though brains beats brawn in actual accumulation of power, brawn has idolatrous advantage over brains. Socrates and Aristotle were great minds, but we remember Ancient Greece through sculptures of muscular heroes. Jews own the NBA teams, but all the attention is fixed on the athletes. China is far away, but black NBA stars are among the biggest idols there. Europeans can’t get enough of advertising with blacks. This is why Jews use blacks as the prominent faces and voices of ‘wokeness’.
    Blackness is also useful because of the wishful associative tendencies of the mind. Certain advantages or forms of superiority make people associate them with all-around superiority. If someone is good at accounting, you don’t expect him to be good at everything. It’s just a skill, a profession. But when someone is dominant in a ‘popular’ field, it rouses idolatrous feelings about him. The cultism around him makes people want to believe he is a superior being either capable of superhuman feats or deserving of all the love/money in the world. This isn’t rational, but the human mind often works mythically. It’s like lions are romanticized as something more than predators. They are seen as ‘kings of the jungle’, thus deserving to rule over nature. Whites feel this way about blacks due to black success in pop culture and sports, the two biggest obsessions of the modern West. So, whites believe blacks should be great or extra-deserving in everything. It’s the ‘logic’ behind advertising. Any commercial product is created by researchers and manufactured by workers, and yet, a box of cereal, for example, is associated with some athlete who is offered millions. So, the actual people who make the product make less money than the athlete who had NOTHING to do with its creation and manufacture. And yet, people have no problem with this because the athlete is a star, and that means he deserves to have more than anyone else.
    But rationally and factually speaking, just because blacks excel at rapping and dunking balls doesn’t mean they are good at math, engineering, doctoring, accounting; it doesn’t mean they are entitled to or deserving of trophies in every field. Now, people may rationally understand this, but they are usually emotional, sentimental, and ‘mythic’ than rational and factual. The irrational part of their being feels that the race of Muhammad Ali’s, Tupacs, Long-Dong-Silvers, and MLK’s(as blacks have booming voices) should have MORE, if not everything. But as it happens, fields such as sports and pop music are about winner-takes-all, and there are just few winners. It’s like in pro-boxing, champions make most money, handful of top contenders make some money, and everyone else gets chump change. In basketball, few make it to NBA and all those ‘promising’ college players end up with nothing(like in HOOP DREAMS). But as white kids in countless numbers grow up time cheering for blacks as their heroes, they feel that blacks deserve more. And this is why it seems so unjust that blacks fail in so many areas. The hero is seen as deserving of adulation and tributes from all sides. Notice even ‘socialists’ aren’t opposed to their famous celebrities and stars becoming ever richer. Now, when it comes to American Indians and brown ‘Latinos’, whites aren’t so sentimental because those groups don’t succeed in ‘popular’ fields; therefore, they don’t seem ‘heroically’ deserving of MORE if not everything.

    Jews understand this. They know about the sentimentality that accompanies white awe of black prowess as athletes, rappers, orators, sluts, and studs. Jews know white women try to sing black. They know white boys look to black rappers and athletes as top heroes. Jews know white girls got jungle fever and white boys got cuck worship. And this awe leads to white sentimentality because blacks don’t do so well in all professions. In many areas, blacks downright suck. But because of the awe in the ‘cool’ areas, whites feel sentimental about black failure in other areas. When ‘uncool’ Mexicans fail in many areas, it’s seen as par for the course: “Mexicans suck at ‘cool’ stuff, so why shouldn’t they suck at everything?” But when ‘cool’ blacks fail in many areas, it’s seen as an affront to white mythic adoration of blackness: “Cuz Blacks are so awesome in the coolest fields, it’s totally unjust that they fail in many areas.” And this sense of injustice and sentimentality leads to ‘white guilt’.
    Now, Occam’s Razor answer to this problem is simple enough: “Blacks are better at muscle-fields but less good at mental-fields.” But such is hard to swallow because success in ‘popular’ fields leads to a kind of cult-worship. Once a people are seen as demigods, it seems wrong to feel they are inferior in anything. It’s like the thing with movie stars. Movie stars actually suck at most things but faking it. They are not particularly smart, they aren’t all that physical. But they play ‘cool’ and ‘badass’ action stars in the movies, and countless audiences want to believe Sean Connery = 007 and Sylvester Stallone = Rocky/Rambo. The actor and his roles dissolve into a singularity. Rationally, anyone knows that the actor and the larger-than-life character he plays are not the same, but emotionally and viscerally, a kind of psychological fusion takes place. And something similar happens with white psychology about blacks. Black domination in ‘popular’ fields has led whites to fuse black prowess in sports/music with all-around prowess in just about everything. And this is why Jews can exploit white psychology so easily by making whites believe that the ONLY REASON awesome blacks haven’t been awesome in all fields is due to the legacy of ‘white privilege’ and ‘systemic racism’. Of course, one wonders why the legacy of ‘racism’ hasn’t prevented blacks from dominating sports and pop music. How is it that natural black athleticism overcame ‘racism’, but natural black intellectualism cannot? But then, reasoning questions about god will be met with the rage of the rapturous. In this sense, blacks aren’t so much the pawns on the chessboard but the bishop. Jewish Power uses blackness as a neo-religion for cucked whites.

    Still, Jews are the brains behind it all. If the media and academia were in other hands and fostered more free discussion of facts, public perception and policy can change. So, how does one deal with Jewish Power? There are two ways. One way is to honestly and accurately discuss the truth of Jewish Power in the West with data, statistics, and the like. But should one be entirely objective in a polemical battle?
    The other way is to do exactly what the Jews do. If Jews will use any group or any narrative to demean and undermine whiteness, then whites should do likewise to the Jews. Whites should defend, sentimentalize, and hype any group that can be effectively used to expose Jewish abuses, crimes, hypocrisy, and corruption. Whites can bring up the matter of all the Christian peasant folks fleeced by Jewish tax collectors. All the Slavs killed by Jewish communists. Palestinians who lost their homeland to Zionists. All the Arabs and Muslims killed by Wars for Israel. Whites can also use the black card. Jewish slavers were prominent in Brazil. Jewish agents ripped off countless black athletes and entertainers. Of course, Jews anticipate such attacks and invoke ‘antisemitism’ to smear anyone who dares to go on the counter-attack. In other words, Jews can smear whites, Russians, Iranians, Arabs, and etc. but no one better generalize about Jews. On the white right, a problem has been that many who have denounced Jewish Supremacism also defended white supremacism, making it easy for Jews to smear them as ‘nazis’, which some of them are. But if whites totally reject supremacism on their own side while attacking the obvious supremacism on the Jewish side, it can be effective, especially as the victims of Jewish supremacist violence have grown exponentially in the 21st century with Wars for Israel.

    It’s like THE GODFATHER PART 2. Sure, Rosato Brothers made the move on Frank Pantangeli, but who gave the go-ahead? Who gave the go-ahead to blacks to trash the white race? Big Media and Elite Academia are not controlled by blacks. And they aren’t controlled by Eskimos. Anyway, UNLESS whites finally admit that Jewish Power is their nemesis and formulates a new political paradigm where whites unite with the likes of Palestinians, they won’t have a chance. It’s really that simple. When Jews beat whites with the black club but whites refuse to notice the Jewish hand holding the club, it’s hopeless. But current reality is worse. Jews beat whites with the black club, but one bunch of whites, the ‘liberals’, bleat about Russia while another bunch of whites, the ‘conservatives’, whine about China. And I don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel. So, if the white race is over, the future will really be about how non-whites face Jewish Power. But even when whites become minorities in the West, Jewish Power may remain strong because white cucks, ‘right’ and ‘left’, will continue to serve Jews for naive sincere reasons or craven cynical ones(as Jews got the money). America in year 2100. Whites are 30% of the population and serve Jews. The great majority of non-whites are too diverse and divided to form a united bloc against Jewish Power at the top that is served by whites. What a future.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    tl;dr - The Joos done it.

    , @vinteuil
    @Anonymous

    Priss, you're endlessly entertaining.

    Really, really, endlessly.

  151. anon[287] • Disclaimer says:

    The one thing that seems obvious … Wokeism is stuff white people like. It is an extended argument between white people, and Blacks are only the subject and object because the have been weaponized as a sacred symbol.

    Shelby Steele’s new film is refreshing in that it briefly examines the facts. And points out that Blacks were making tremendous progress prior to the 60’s great society.

    So Wokeism is the logical result of identity politics run amok. Which was identity groups grifting on success of the earliest Civil Rights movement. Women immediately became a protected class and have used the identity cudgel with vigor.

    The other aspect that is it is about feelings. I remember in a 2016 town hall thing a College girl asked one of the losing candidates an extended question involving her desire to “feel safe”. No one bothered to consider whether she WAS safe. Which used to be the point.

    So … Black is the dream identity group.

    I think “Karen” is going to have to decide which side her bread is buttered. And LARPING as oppressed isn’t going to work. She is better off coming a mean girl.

  152. @Jack D
    @Altai

    I'm sorry but I'm not buying Garden of Eden explanations like "it's all gone bad because white people are too good and kind and naive and trusting. Everything was perfect until those Jews showed up and tricked white people out of their patrimony. Shoulda never let 'em in and then everything would have been fine."

    These are the same white people who once conquered the world and who had no qualms about dragging people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free (and that, BTW, caused no end of problems to this day and was something that white people did to themselves). Something changed in the nature of white people themselves and it wasn't the Joos who done it to them. Blaming others for your woes is what black people do all the time. It is unbecoming of the once proud race of white people. It's one of the things that made Hitler so pathetic - there was no stab in the back. Sometime you lose despite your best efforts. You need to look in the mirror and consider what you could have done differently, not go looking for scapegoats.

    If Joos really did what people here say they did, the response of whites should have been GTFO of here (not literally, but in the sense that "we're in charge here and we're not buying any of your crazy bullshit"). That's what it would have been at one time but something caused it to change. Maybe it goes back to female suffrage, but then you have to go back even further and analyze what had already changed in the society that women were now demanding the vote and that men were now willing to give in to their demands.

    Then there is the problem that the Leftist critique was fundamentally right. Suppressing the rights of blacks, treating gay's private bedroom behavior as criminal, excluding women from the vote and the workforce, etc. - all of those things were fundamentally wrong and un-American. One of Alinsky's rules was "make the other side live up to their own rule book." OTOH, you can view this as a cynical ploy or a tactic but OTOH, isn't it right that we should live up to our ideals? The American experiment was founded on the premise that all men were created equal (while at the same time things in fact were far from equal) and in the long run those contradictions had to be resolved and the promise met. It requires a superhuman, unsustainable effort to maintain a reactionary regime indefinitely. You can never let up your guard.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Bill, @Elsewhere, @Not Only Wrathful

    Then there is the problem that the Leftist critique was fundamentally right. Suppressing the rights of blacks, treating gay’s private bedroom behavior as criminal, excluding women from the vote and the workforce, etc. – all of those things were fundamentally wrong and un-American.

    In a certain way, this is right. Once you embrace lunatic ideas like freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and “that all men are created equal [and] that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,” you are certain to end in disaster. It was only while the US, in practice, denied all these crazy things it said it believed in principle that it maintained a workable society. If your principles are crazy, then, as the unprincipled exceptions get peeled away, things go straight to Hell.

  153. Sorry, no. There are two schools of Marxism. One believes in violent revolution (class based Marxism) and one believes in subverting institutions (critical race theory/Frankfurt school Marxism). This is basic stuff.

  154. @Dr. X
    Wokeness is winning because it is feminized, hysterical, and emotional, and we live in a feminized, sissified, pansified environment where feminized backbiting and catfighting is the norm -- where a person gets ahead in life by going to a liberal arts college and reading books and listening to lesbian professors lecture.

    Ironically, this is all made possible by the success of white men who tamed and conquered the brutality of Nature.

    Kit Carson, Lewis and Clark, Andrew Jackson, and Daniel Boone were not woke. Men who cast engine blocks, poured concrete into the Hoover Dam, bolted the Golden Gate together, poured molten steel, herded and butchered cattle, and piloted B-24s over Europe were not woke.

    There is no time for wokeness in a masculine world. That is why the great dividing line between the Democrats and the Republicans today is whether one one lives in a city and went to college, or whether one lives in the country and works on a fracking rig or drives a truck. Hillary vs. Trump was the perfect proxy for this cultural and economic divide.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon, @S. Anonyia

    “where a person gets ahead in life by going to a liberal arts college and reading books and listening to lesbian professors lecture.”

    And you people wonder why the Left is winning. It’s not even a question being the only home for intelligent people (which it is) but just a question of it being the only place for people with a sense of dignity.

    Welcome to the iSteve Right: where Aristotle and St. Thomas and Tolkein are book-readin’ commie fags. We don’t need no book learnin’ to beat the left, just ‘roids!

    BANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNE!

    Oops, he lost, didn’t he? Some smart lesbian blew him away.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    @Peter D. Bredon


    Welcome to the iSteve Right: where Aristotle and St. Thomas and Tolkein are book-readin’ commie fags.
     
    Are you f--ing kidding me??? Unless they're at Hillsdale or Grove City, they aren't reading Aristotle and Aquinas and Tolkien.

    If they read anything at all -- and that's a BIG "if" in a LOT of cases -- the "book readin' commie fags" are reading Marcuse and Derrida and Fanon and Foucault and Zinn and Cornel West and Ibram X. Kendi and Naomi Wolf.

    None of this has anything to do with "dignity," it's all about hating the white man and hating Western Civilization.

  155. Red Francis just came out in favor of homosexual marriage. We’ve had “The Living Constitution” since the Warren Court. “The Living Constitution” does not mean what it actually says. It means what the Woke say it means. We are moving on to “The Living Bible”, the next logical step.

    There can’t be too many doctrinal changes necessary for the Roman Catholic Church to be converged with the Unitarians and Quakers. And won’t this help with all the gay priests? And how long before Red Francis comes out in favor of eliminating age of consent laws?

    I suppose there is always the Russian Orthodox Church — at least for now.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Steve in Greensboro

    If you are catholic, this was prophesied at Fátima. It’d be a good time to break out the Rosary. We are the Church.

    (But yes, disgusting)

  156. @Mark G.
    @SFG


    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980 or so, so that might help someone smarter than me (or more versed in the fine history of American education) in picking this apart.
     
    The eighties were when the older college professors started to retire and the sixties ex-radicals started taking their place in large numbers. This sudden decline in higher education was noticed at the time in a large number of books in the eighties and early nineties. Examples are "Imposters in the Temple" by Martin Anderson, "The Closing of the American Mind" by Allan Bloom, "Illiberal Education" by Dinesh D'Souza, "Tenured Radicals" by Roger Kimball, "The National Review College Guide" by Brad Miner, "The War Against the Intellect" by Peter Shaw, "Inside American Education" by Thomas Sowell, and "Profscam" by Charles Sykes.

    In addition to higher education getting worse, you also had many more young people attending these institutions where they would be subjected to four or more years of liberal indoctrination. In earlier eras a higher percentage of these young people would not have been in college.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    The eighties were when the older college professors started to retire and the sixties ex-radicals started taking their place in large numbers.

    I saw this myself in humanities departments. The older professoriate on their way out were mostly liberal (although rather conservative about their own discipline – Sullivan’s law at work), but tolerant of views they disagreed with. The young professors and grad students were commisars. They only hired their own kind. Once an institution is all woke two or three generations deep it begins to express itself openly for what it is.

  157. @Torn and Frayed
    Wokeism is a sort of distorted Marxism where straight white men play the role of an all-powerful bourgeoisie oppressing into eternity a proletariat of victimhood. Ironically the material reality, hidden to some extent under the cover of this struggle, is that an elite of color: Han, Ashkenazi, and Brahmin (HAB), are quickly monopolizing the global means of tech and ideological production, if not the vast majority of the rest of the global means of production.

    Wokeism is even closer to Facsism. Of the four typical characteristics of fascism: racism, nationalism, irrationalism, and antiliberalism; the only missing link is potentially nationalism. Wokesters are most certainly not attached to the United States of America. But they are deeply emotionally connected to the idea of building a United States of Diversity. And this national building is to be a global, permanent revolution of diversity. Global meaning of course for all the white nations. This cultural imperialism of Wokeism is shared by both Marxist and Fascist strains of political traditions.

    The other way to see Wokeism is as mass psychological expression of group narcissism. Blacks in particular suffer innumerable daily humiliations as they compare themselves as a group to whites. In almost every category (outside of sports and music) they lag way behind white achievement. This deep and constant narcissistic wounding inevitably results in blacks lashing out and devaluing their white tormentors with combinations of rhetorical word salads and/or gaslighting. Emerging HAB elites are turning their ideological power to stoke black ethno-narcissism in order to cynically keep blacks from noticing that they are falling even further behind HABs than they are whites. Goodwhites respond to black ethno-narcissism with a bizarre strain of ethno-codependence. Goodwhites have lost all sense of their group identity and are thus an empty hole to be filled by enabling and then justifying and then cleaning up after black dysfunction.

    Replies: @anon, @Harry Baldwin

    The HABs and the HAB nots.

    And of course the best solution to an abusive relationship is separation.

    But what about the kids?

    The kids in this scenario, being the parasites in politics and cultural institutions, can of course FOAD.

  158. @Brás Cubas

    On average, what blacks need is not indulgence of their bad habits, but discipline administered as a matter of course.
     
    Isn't this contradictory with HBD? Isn't one of HBD's assumptions that blacks (and as a matter of fact everybody else as well) are what they are, and it is futile to change them? So, isn't it actually *closer* to HBD's principles to do exactly that, i.e., slacken on discipline?

    Replies: @TWS, @NoWeltschmerz

    No. Do you let a pitbull run off leash because it can tear the tire off a suburban?

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @TWS

    Of course violent behavior shouldn't be tolerated, that goes without saying. But we're talking here of failing to deliver home work, or "disrupting" classes. Well, the purpose of schools is to raise functional adults. If you keep children on a leash, I wonder what kind of functionality they will acquire. And as for the "superior" students, I don't see how a slackening on discipline will affect their apprenticeship all that much. After all, facing challenges successfully is what superiority is about, isn't it?

  159. @Dr. X
    Wokeness is winning because it is feminized, hysterical, and emotional, and we live in a feminized, sissified, pansified environment where feminized backbiting and catfighting is the norm -- where a person gets ahead in life by going to a liberal arts college and reading books and listening to lesbian professors lecture.

    Ironically, this is all made possible by the success of white men who tamed and conquered the brutality of Nature.

    Kit Carson, Lewis and Clark, Andrew Jackson, and Daniel Boone were not woke. Men who cast engine blocks, poured concrete into the Hoover Dam, bolted the Golden Gate together, poured molten steel, herded and butchered cattle, and piloted B-24s over Europe were not woke.

    There is no time for wokeness in a masculine world. That is why the great dividing line between the Democrats and the Republicans today is whether one one lives in a city and went to college, or whether one lives in the country and works on a fracking rig or drives a truck. Hillary vs. Trump was the perfect proxy for this cultural and economic divide.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon, @S. Anonyia

    I don’t know, those young guys running around Portland with homemade shields and paramilitary gear don’t seem terribly feminized to me. They are marginally employed guys looking for an excuse to rebel against a society they feel has wronged them. Nor is the media or even prestige academia all that feminized. I think lack of religion, and by extension lack of meaning/purpose, is causing wokeness (I say this as an irreligious person, too). Also becoming woke makes it easier to get a job or do well in school without otherwise having the intellectual chops.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @S. Anonyia

    "Also becoming woke makes it easier to get a job or do well in school without otherwise having the intellectual chops."

    Sorry to break this to you, but the behavior you outlined is classic girl posse/mean girls standard operating procedure. Looks pretty profoundly feminized to me. If that is the best counterargument that you can come up with, then Dr. X is pretty well vindicated on the point. Think about it, think about the atmospherics of these behaviors; carefully monitoring the group consensus before making a move is highly feminized.

  160. @brabantian
    Re 'it's not Marxism', there's a general confusion flowing out of the 'cultural Marxism' label, the policies of which are indeed an inversion and denial of much of classical Marxism

    But - Wokism IS 'Cultural Marxism'

    'Cultural Marxism' is called that way, because it is a new phase for the same people who used to be classical Marxists, and it is a method for achieving the essential Leninist goal, using Leninist means:

    (1) A dictatorship of elites claiming to 'serve the people'
    (2) Achieving power by weaponising sets of minorities against the middle mass of citizens, and
    (3) Especially targeting the destruction of the 'petit bourgeois' middle class, the intrinsic fountain of resistance to communist dictatorship.

    'Fascism' supported petit bourgeois; 'communism' levels most plebs under a narrow elite.

    Historically, the figures who set up cultural Marxism - which we now experience as 'Wokism' - figures such as Lukacs and Gramsci and then the Frankfurt School and above all Herbert Marcuse, quite leading into the Wokism of today - saw that outside of poor countries such as 1917 Russia, the revolution was impossible in the West as long as petit bourgeois traditional family life was satisfying Western working classes.

    Therefore the goal of Leninists in the West, as defined by the significantly Jewish Cultural Marxists, was to destroy the family, and destroy all things sustaining traditional bourgeois life of the great middle class:
    - The 'racist' phrase began to be used, weaponising ethnic minorities
    - Migration was promoted, to destroy ethnic cohesion and create ethnic conflict
    - Gays and LGBT agenda was promoted, to demean conventional sexuality
    - Family-ruining divorce and feminism and sexual practices were fostered, including contraception, abortion, free love, easy divorce, some of which were concretely seen to create social chaos and anarchy in Moscow in the brief esperiment under Lenin after 1917, before Stalin restored the soft patriarchy
    - Those trying to hold on to traditional culture, across-the-board to be denounced as 'fascists' etc, 'beyond the pale', as in all the Woke stuff we see today

    In his Stalinist phase, Irish writer Gearóid Ó Colmáin, author of the striking 'Coercive Engineered Migration' series, dared to remind fellow leftists that Marx and Engels themselves denounced engineered ethnic migration as an oligarch tool of manipulation and destruction of working class people, and was anti-LGBT etc. But that's old Marxism, not the new 'cultural Marxism'.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon, @Bardon Kaldian, @Dube, @L. Guapo

    You’re only half-right. True, this is News Left, having most in common with Marcuse (but not the Frankfurt school of Adorno, Fromm, Wittfogel, Horkheimer, later Habermas, Benjamin,…). Basically, Marcuse was an obscurantist who enjoyed a brief time of glory during the 60’s with his hatred towards rationality, science, misinterpretation of Freud, contempt for native working class & glorification of racial minorities’ underclass, …

    But it is far-fetched to think that his public excursus during 1968 has somehow remade the life so that US in 2020 is a continuation of Marcuse’s idiocies. “Wokeness” is a phenomenon restricted to the US & parts of Anglosphere, with pockets elsewhere- but just pockets.

    Simply, it is an American idolization of blacks in sports & music, and perpetual portrayal of them in past 50 years as immaculate victims, hiding their violence & crimes, teaching fake history (black studies), disfiguring history & national-cultural identities… Also, US whites, and especially Anglo-Teutonic segment, seem to lack ethnic pride, elements of tribal mentality & real national pride. You won’t find “wokeness” among whites in Brazil or in Colombia. American “nationalism” has, in past 50-60 years, become a weird combo of greed, worship of material success, rootless cosmopolitanism, negro worship, … No wonder various newly arrived Asians & Hispanics won’t have anything with it.

    As for Lenin etc.- you got most of it wrong. The central feature of Lenin’s world-view is, apart from revenge to the old regime, Westernization of what he saw as barbaric Russia, and he was obsessed with extending revolution to the central Europe, especially Germany. “Racially”- if you wish that term- Leninism was about Europeanization of Asian Muslims, essentially crushing their Islamic religion & most of their historical civilization (with the exception of creative persons like Avicenna/Ibn Sina).

    Had Lenin succeeded fully, we don’t now what would have been, but the willed outcome would be national emancipation from Berlin to Vladivostok, with whites expanding their rule over various Asians, simultaneously “liberating” Asian Muslims from most of their historical culture- all in a totalitarian structure.

    Most people here simply don’t understand that Russian, Jewish, Polish, German, Lithuanian, Georgian, … Communist rule would mean, both in practice & theory, the affirmation of dominance of Western, European culture & identity over non-European.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Bardon Kaldian

    As for Lenin etc.- you got most of it wrong. The central feature of Lenin’s world-view is, apart from revenge to the old regime, Westernization of what he saw as barbaric Russia

    How would he be for Westernizing Russia when he was anti-Christian, anti-democracy, anti-free speech, and anti-capitalist? What would be left exactly?

    I don't see anything more barbaric then sending people off to camps for holding the wrong opinions and that is exactly what he did.

    Had Lenin succeeded fully, we don’t now what would have been, but the willed outcome would be national emancipation from Berlin to Vladivostok, with whites expanding their rule over various Asians, simultaneously “liberating” Asian Muslims from most of their historical culture- all in a totalitarian structure.

    What a load of crap. In reality he gave Islam a free pass while going after the Orthodox church. Can't offend the Central Asians but Whites were expected to adopt atheism and serve the state. It's exactly the same with leftists today. Oh we can't criticize the sand religion and need to respect their ridiculous demands (ie rebuilding bathrooms in government buildings so toilets do not face mecca) but Christianity needs to be destroyed cause Whites.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    , @Jack D
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Most people here simply don’t understand that Russian, Jewish, Polish, German, Lithuanian, Georgian, … Communist rule would mean, both in practice & theory, the affirmation of dominance of Western, European culture & identity over non-European.
     
    Although the USSR was a vast empire ("the prisonhouse of nations") this was not fundamentally what the Communist project was all about - that part was more or less indistinguishable from traditional Russian imperialism (and we see that post-Communist Russia is no different either, except insofar as their power is reduced and they don't have an empire as big as they would like it to be, but they are working on it). Nor did it have any lasting impact on the 'stans. 70 years inside the Soviet Union were but a moment and the minute the USSR fell apart all the 'stans reverted to being the traditional Islamic societies they always were, complete with Oriental forms of despotism (the USSR was also despotic but it was different kind of despotism) despite 70 years of dedicated and sometimes brutal Soviet efforts to stamp out religion and culture. It all just sank beneath the waves without a ripple.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @OilcanFloyd, @Art Deco

  161. @Mike_from_SGV
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Irrelevant noise even if true. Hunter Biden is not on the ballot.

    Replies: @TWS, @Rob Lee, @AndrewR

    Because nobody judges anyone by their children much less the already disgusting suspicions Biden raises

  162. @Jim Don Bob
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I got a Gold Box from Steve (it's framed on my wall) about five years ago. I haven't seen any for quite a while.

    But PD's comment is spot on, and deserves a Gold Box. We are doomed.

    Even if we turn around all the things PD pointed out, we and our children will someday have to deal with the trillions of debt, some say as much as 100 T, that we have incurred. Someone's rice bowl will get broken and it won't be pretty.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Achmed E. Newman, @MEH 0910

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @MEH 0910

    Almost as impressive as my comment becoming an iSteve blog topic and then being picked up by Jonathan Last at the Weekly Standard. https://www.unz.com/isteve/ex-clinton-staffer-brad-delongs-post-on-hillarys-management-skills/

    I also predicted in May 2016 that HRC was gonna lose: https://www.unz.com/isteve/invade-the-world-invite-the-world/#comment-1426000

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  163. Actually, I might as well raise an issue…

    As most of the commenters here know, I’ve been publishing articles in my American Pravda series for some time now, and over the last couple of years have gotten into lots of ultra-touchy subjects that I suspect many readers initially viewed with extreme skepticism, saying to themselves “How could these things possibly be true and yet covered up by the MSM for so many years and decades?”

    Well, given the absolutely unbelievable things that the MSM is currently attempting to cover up, despite the fact that they’re happening right before our very eyes and ears, I’d guess that such skepticism may have gradually faded away, especially in the last few months or even the last few days.

    Anyway, for those newcomers not already familiar with my series, here’s the link:

    https://www.unz.com/page/american-pravda-series/

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Ron Unz

    Thanks, and:
    As a society we seem to be increasingly sorting ourselves into extremes of credulity and cynicism. Dennis Prager just mentioned Simone Gold, a 100% respectable mainstream experienced doctor (like the ones who talk about hydroxychloroquine or the lockdowns being an enormous error), not a homeopath or something like that, whose entire collection of videos regarding a mainstream symposium of real doctors was summarily censored by Vimeo. This followed censorship by YouTube. People sneering at "uncomfortable discussion" are in the same position as Sean Hannity or Gavin McInnes babbling about how they are not racists. The accusation of racism, like the accusation of disinformation or harmful narratives, relies on the logic of Communist law rather than our native reasoning: the accusation is also the proof and the sentence. The only way out is to insist on free speech. This has the advantage of freeing us from defending or agreeing with every little idea. The reasonable-sounding delusion that intelligent, reasonable people can set limits to discussion leads quickly to the declaration that men menstruate.

    , @Corvinus
    @Ron Unz

    "Well, given the absolutely unbelievable things that the MSM is currently attempting to cover up, despite the fact that they’re happening right before our very eyes and ears..."

    LOL. Here is the Alt Right and Radical Left parlor trick exposed:
    1) Rely on blogs and anonymous authors with limited explanation for why they are reliable;
    2) Who offer an opinion based on confirmation bias cloaked as “evidence”;
    3) Who then popularize that their own simulation of reality;
    4) Then baldly claim any counter narrative from the MSM is automatically false.

    EXCEPT, when having already completely dismissed the MSM’s stories, they suddenly pay attention to it when it suits their purpose. On top of it all, when the MSM makes an error in reporting--when the Alt Right has already refused to accept its legitimacy--and does not issue a correction, the Alt Right attacks its integrity. And when the MSM does fix the mistake...the Alt Right or Radical Left attacks its integrity.

    Furthermore, Mr. Unz, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. On one hand, you tacitly encourage readers to peddle this “Fake News” mantra. On the other hand, you latch on to MSM stories that seemingly support your conclusions. You once inferred that we ought to trust ABC News, which cited four separate intelligence sources that a government report *existed* that Covid-19 is a bioweapon. Of course that report “exists”. Whether or not that report constitutes a “smoking gun” in an entirely different matter. But I thought that ANYTHING that comes from U.S. intelligence ought not to be trusted. Because Deep State. So it would appear that those stories which supports your predisposed narrative, you take stock in, and for other stories that go against your truth grain, your vigorously question their veracity, at best, or totally discards, at worst.

    Ultimately, a fine number of readers here believe the source you used is part of FAKE NEWS. I would like to know how you Mr. Unz would respond to their repeated accusation that ALL of the mainstream media reporting are lies.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Mr. Anon

  164. anon[810] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    @peterike

    I couldn't agree more. It's hard to figure out what motivates the black-pillers on this site who delight in declaring that Trump has done absolutely nothing. They're either concern-trolls or perfectionists for whom half a loaf is no better than no bread at all. They may be disappointed that in one term, in which he has been defied and sabotaged every step of the way, Trump has failed to stop Leviathan dead in its tracks. I'm disappointed too, but there's no one waiting in the wings ready to do the job better than he has.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Bardon Kaldian, @anon, @Anon7, @William Badwhite

    Wokeness is the logical extension of libtardness going all the way back to the 1950’s. All the libtard remedies have failed due to biology, so given Kendi’s choice the libtards are down with “white evil” as a cause for social issues. There were members of the French nobility who were initially on the side of the 1793 revo because the Ancien’ Regime was so despicable. Many of them were probably surprised when they found themselves in a tumbrel.

    Andy Sullivan is one such “But, wait, I’m on your side” moron who didn’t see where his own minoritarianity leads. He’s part of the problem, but now he’s part of a solution at the New Duranty Times. Since he’s pretty much incapable of learning anything, we shouldn’t expect him to learn from this defenestration, either.

    It’s hard to figure out what motivates the black-pillers on this site who delight in declaring that Trump has done absolutely nothing.

    They peddle Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Note the date? Watch and see how many are left after November.

  165. @Elli
    Policy makers and culture directors ought to finesse racial differences in intelligence by noting that half of everybody has an IQ less than 100, and that education, government, the arts, and the economy ought to promote the dignity of all in terms of family formation and work.

    Don't frustrate unsuited students with algebra. Teach them basic math, interest on loans, and a trade. Don't frustrate people with excessive barriers to working a trade or running a business. Don't make accessing healthcare and understanding insurance so difficult.

    Don't export jobs (yes, that means tariffs) and don't import an infinite stream of peons to drive down wages.

    Show ordinary working class people, homes, cars and clothing on TV, and that doesn't mean "reality" series where drama, bad behavior and bad choices get you attention. Promote goal setting and delayed gratification.

    It's easy for the elite to direct their noblesse oblige at blacks, so easy to identify, so annointed! Let's see them try with the lower half of the bell curve.

    Replies: @njguy73

    “promote dignity”

    Wow, whatever you’re smoking, I want me some of that.

    The last thing government wants is a dignfied population who delay gratification and have goals in life.

  166. @Mike_from_SGV
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Irrelevant noise even if true. Hunter Biden is not on the ballot.

    Replies: @TWS, @Rob Lee, @AndrewR

    “Irrelevant noise even if true. Hunter Biden is not on the ballot.”

    Leftists believe that in a subject as complex as global warming, they can keep track of and manipulate a web of interweaving elements, and what’s more, understand them; and yet they cannot grasp something so simple as the concept of blackmail. Or they pointedly don’t want to; and that makes them both dishonest and contemptible.

    To paraphrase Mark Steyn: “Liberals believe they can reach up in the very sky and literally change the temperature of the heavens, but they can’t stop a Mexican peasant from jumping over a metal fence.”

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
  167. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1318545268929941513

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @jon, @El Dato, @Bill, @nebulafox, @S. Anonyia, @AndrewR, @JimDandy, @J.Ross

    With logic like this you’d expect simple pictures to replace headlines. Who (without knowing who they were would say Himmler or Heydrich or Beria) “looked like” a murderer?

  168. @LondonBob
    The woke are winning because we would rather have entire way of life destroyed and families dispossessed than be seen to be rude by pointing out a few home truths. The Obama people are right, we are cowards.

    Replies: @GeneralRipper

    The woke are winning because we would rather have entire way of life destroyed and families dispossessed than be seen to be rude by pointing out a few home truths. The Obama people are right, we are cowards.

    Speak for yourself, Bob.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @GeneralRipper


    Speak for yourself, Bob.

     

    The rot goes deeper than you think. Whenever I point out to the Fire Eaters on this forum that Africans have been spitting in their food for 400 years, they get all worked up. But they never deny it. They know it's true-- Jesse Jackson said so.

    Even they can't bear to hurt colored feelings.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jack D, @GeneralRipper

  169. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You do your cause no favor to label minoritarianism as "Jewish minoritarianism". First of all, just by labeling it as such, you alienate many people, not just Jews but many non-Jews who might otherwise be sympathetic to your views but are not willing to espouse what they would perceive as anti-Semitism. Just call it minoritarianism - it's an ideology, it's not a taint that's in the blood. Anyone of any race can subscribe to an ideology.

    2nd, it's not true. Not all minoritarians are Jews and not all Jews are minoritarians. If there were no Jews in America, minoritarianism would still exist. All those Antifas with Germanic names who keep getting arrested are minoritarians but they ain't Jewish minoritarians. All those undocumented shoppers are not Jews. Sure, in the past (and this includes a lot of aging Baby Boomers who are still kicking around) Jews were disproportionately represented on the Left but they were never the whole problem and as time goes on and secular Jews are breeding themselves out of existence they are going to be less and less a part of the Left, especially since much of the Left is actively hostile to Jews (and actually to Jews and not just to "Zionists" like they sometimes claim).

    All of this summer's insanity was about BLACK lives matter. Not about Jews or immigrants or minorities in general. Bringing black people here as slaves (and then not sending them back to Africa when slavery was over) was America's original sin. You can't pin that one on the Jews (not to say that Jews were 100% absent from the slave trade but they were not the prime movers, not because they had any qualms about participating in the slave trade but because there simply weren't many Jews in early America). Jews were involved in the early civil rights battles but blacks ejected them from their movement long ago. The Marxists who run BLM have no particular love for Jews.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Chris Renner, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldian, @James Forrestal

    I don’t comment enough to click the “Agree” button, but I agree.

  170. Why? Because it is useful to (((them))).

  171. Getting laid, or at least enhancing the prospects. Unconscious or conscious. The ‘ole biological imperative. I was in college during the 60’s, in New England, at an elite school. That’s how it was. So maybe I am not objective, in that I am projecting history forward.

  172. @Ron Unz
    Actually, I might as well raise an issue...

    As most of the commenters here know, I've been publishing articles in my American Pravda series for some time now, and over the last couple of years have gotten into lots of ultra-touchy subjects that I suspect many readers initially viewed with extreme skepticism, saying to themselves "How could these things possibly be true and yet covered up by the MSM for so many years and decades?"

    Well, given the absolutely unbelievable things that the MSM is currently attempting to cover up, despite the fact that they're happening right before our very eyes and ears, I'd guess that such skepticism may have gradually faded away, especially in the last few months or even the last few days.

    Anyway, for those newcomers not already familiar with my series, here's the link:

    https://www.unz.com/page/american-pravda-series/

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Corvinus

    Thanks, and:
    As a society we seem to be increasingly sorting ourselves into extremes of credulity and cynicism. Dennis Prager just mentioned Simone Gold, a 100% respectable mainstream experienced doctor (like the ones who talk about hydroxychloroquine or the lockdowns being an enormous error), not a homeopath or something like that, whose entire collection of videos regarding a mainstream symposium of real doctors was summarily censored by Vimeo. This followed censorship by YouTube. People sneering at “uncomfortable discussion” are in the same position as Sean Hannity or Gavin McInnes babbling about how they are not racists. The accusation of racism, like the accusation of disinformation or harmful narratives, relies on the logic of Communist law rather than our native reasoning: the accusation is also the proof and the sentence. The only way out is to insist on free speech. This has the advantage of freeing us from defending or agreeing with every little idea. The reasonable-sounding delusion that intelligent, reasonable people can set limits to discussion leads quickly to the declaration that men menstruate.

  173. Anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: “Biden eyes GOP candidates for Cabinet slots.” Biden is frantically trying to signal that he’s moving to the center before the election to gain votes. Unfortunately for him, the Democrats have been so propagandized and radicalized by the media that even that 70 year-old upper-middle class white Democratic Vermonter will faint dead from shock and betrayal if he reads this headline.

    The moderate old Democratic party is dead. Almost all the Democratic party members left today are radicals, not centrists. Even those old black church ladies in the south are anti-law enforcement because they all have a pack of criminal young male relatives they don’t want to see in jail.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/biden-transition-republican-cabinet-429972

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Anon


    Biden is frantically trying to signal that he’s moving to the center before the election to gain votes.
     
    I'm pretty blackpiller, but I'll take this as a good sign that DNC internal polling and the returns from early voting are looking pretty bad for Sleepy China Joe.
  174. @Hugo Silva
    The problem with classifying Wokeness as anti-white racism is that the most enthusiastically woke people are Whites. You need to explain why so many Whites hate their own race. In my opinion this a religious phenomenon, Christianity for people who don't believe in God, with the Blacks as sacred martyrs and the Whites showing their piety by uplifting the sacred martyrs.

    Replies: @Bill, @Bardon Kaldian, @Tex, @AndrewR, @Corvinus, @dfordoom

    In my opinion this a religious phenomenon, Christianity for people who don’t believe in God, with the Blacks as sacred martyrs and the Whites showing their piety by uplifting the sacred martyrs.

    That’s an astute observation. Note though that Wokeness lacks any form of forgiveness or redemption from sin. Being Woke means you are never saved, never forgiven, alive only when making some other poor slob pay for the Original Sin of Un-Wokeness.

  175. @peterike
    @PhysicistDave

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the “progressives” — the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment “media,” and all the rest.

    Except that Trump has taken on the Deep State since before he was even elected. Wray will be fired the day after the election if Trump wins. Barr will likely retire. Yes, Trump was surprised by the depths of corruption. You don't think he's figured it out? Guys like you that think Trump is such a dunce, when he's vastly smarter than you'll ever be.

    Trump has gone directly after the "Big Medicine trust." Where do you get your information from? This has been a talking point of his for ages already.

    The news? Does a single day go by that Trump doesn't call them Fake News, call them out on their total bullshit? What's he supposed to do, seize newspapers and throw journalists in jail like Lincoln did?

    The universities? Trump is busily exploding the worst thing about them: all the critical race theory baloney.

    The money-financial cartel? What do you think Trump's trade agreements and return to manufacturing are about? This directly impacts the money cartel and benefits Main Street over Wall Street.

    What do you crybabies expect from a guy who has had four years under constant false attacks to unravel 100 years of Deep State, etc. treachery? And do it with everyone in power opposed to him?

    Name one other Republican or Democrat who would have done a fraction of what Trump has done virtually single-handedly. Who would have even TRIED to do any of these things?

    But keep on whining about how only you know what needs to be done. Meanwhile Trump is doing virtually everything you're asking for. He's a thousand times the man you'll ever be.

    You people don't deserve him.

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    • Troll: Guest007

    LOL–Troll says what?

  176. @Jack D
    @Altai

    I'm sorry but I'm not buying Garden of Eden explanations like "it's all gone bad because white people are too good and kind and naive and trusting. Everything was perfect until those Jews showed up and tricked white people out of their patrimony. Shoulda never let 'em in and then everything would have been fine."

    These are the same white people who once conquered the world and who had no qualms about dragging people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free (and that, BTW, caused no end of problems to this day and was something that white people did to themselves). Something changed in the nature of white people themselves and it wasn't the Joos who done it to them. Blaming others for your woes is what black people do all the time. It is unbecoming of the once proud race of white people. It's one of the things that made Hitler so pathetic - there was no stab in the back. Sometime you lose despite your best efforts. You need to look in the mirror and consider what you could have done differently, not go looking for scapegoats.

    If Joos really did what people here say they did, the response of whites should have been GTFO of here (not literally, but in the sense that "we're in charge here and we're not buying any of your crazy bullshit"). That's what it would have been at one time but something caused it to change. Maybe it goes back to female suffrage, but then you have to go back even further and analyze what had already changed in the society that women were now demanding the vote and that men were now willing to give in to their demands.

    Then there is the problem that the Leftist critique was fundamentally right. Suppressing the rights of blacks, treating gay's private bedroom behavior as criminal, excluding women from the vote and the workforce, etc. - all of those things were fundamentally wrong and un-American. One of Alinsky's rules was "make the other side live up to their own rule book." OTOH, you can view this as a cynical ploy or a tactic but OTOH, isn't it right that we should live up to our ideals? The American experiment was founded on the premise that all men were created equal (while at the same time things in fact were far from equal) and in the long run those contradictions had to be resolved and the promise met. It requires a superhuman, unsustainable effort to maintain a reactionary regime indefinitely. You can never let up your guard.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Bill, @Elsewhere, @Not Only Wrathful

    Then there is the problem that the Leftist critique was fundamentally right. … One of Alinsky’s rules was “make the other side live up to their own rule book.” OTOH, you can view this as a cynical ploy or a tactic but OTOH, isn’t it right that we should live up to our ideals?

    A wise person would consider WHY he isn’t living up to his stated ideals before making sweeping changes to try to do so. There may be other factors that would make living up to that particular ideal impossible, undesirable, or unwise. There may be competing ideals to live up to.

    As a Jew, you should understand this very well. The Talmud is full of discussions about how to live out laws that may contradict and when it is right to break certain laws in order to fulfill more important laws.

  177. Because Millennials are cowardly, worthless, virtue-signaling moral narcissists. Many of them are pedosodomists. They weren’t beaten enough as children.

    And they ❤ their facediapers.

  178. @Bill
    @Dave Pinsen

    The GOP winning all through the 80s and 90s on cultural issues didn't result in any victories on the actual cultural issues. Abortion is still legal. School prayer is still not. And things have gotten much, much worse all through that era of GOP ascendancy and dominance.

    So, you ask, the GOP accomplished nothing with all its political power? Far from it. They cut taxes on rich people enormously. Unions are gone. Defense contractors have a nice, growing business. Wall St is deregulated, and the economy has been financialized to a massive degree. The GOP has had great success in doing what they actually care about.

    The Trump presidency follows this pattern to a T.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @dfordoom

    School prayer is still not.

    Nor should it be. Pray at church. Pray at home.

  179. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You do your cause no favor to label minoritarianism as "Jewish minoritarianism". First of all, just by labeling it as such, you alienate many people, not just Jews but many non-Jews who might otherwise be sympathetic to your views but are not willing to espouse what they would perceive as anti-Semitism. Just call it minoritarianism - it's an ideology, it's not a taint that's in the blood. Anyone of any race can subscribe to an ideology.

    2nd, it's not true. Not all minoritarians are Jews and not all Jews are minoritarians. If there were no Jews in America, minoritarianism would still exist. All those Antifas with Germanic names who keep getting arrested are minoritarians but they ain't Jewish minoritarians. All those undocumented shoppers are not Jews. Sure, in the past (and this includes a lot of aging Baby Boomers who are still kicking around) Jews were disproportionately represented on the Left but they were never the whole problem and as time goes on and secular Jews are breeding themselves out of existence they are going to be less and less a part of the Left, especially since much of the Left is actively hostile to Jews (and actually to Jews and not just to "Zionists" like they sometimes claim).

    All of this summer's insanity was about BLACK lives matter. Not about Jews or immigrants or minorities in general. Bringing black people here as slaves (and then not sending them back to Africa when slavery was over) was America's original sin. You can't pin that one on the Jews (not to say that Jews were 100% absent from the slave trade but they were not the prime movers, not because they had any qualms about participating in the slave trade but because there simply weren't many Jews in early America). Jews were involved in the early civil rights battles but blacks ejected them from their movement long ago. The Marxists who run BLM have no particular love for Jews.

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    This is not only a gibberish response, it’s terrible thinking in terms of having any effect. It depends on obvious false accusations. It gets trotted out regularly and persuades no one. Its silver lining is allowing us, next time someone complains about Nazis (or any other group of people), to demonstrate per Jack that, because other people exist, the complained-about group must not exist. Or respamming the picture of that Minnesota academic with a very apparent ancestry who is probably the most important one guy to BLM/Antifa. And he’s not Adam Rothstein (who is a low-level leader, and is probably Episcopalian) or George Soros (who is not Jewish in an irrelevant sense).
    If the Jews (“you people”) want us goyim to exercise care in discussing particular subsets of Jews (which sounds like a perfectly reasonable and doable proposition, apart from the fact that this rule never applies anywhere else), then it would probably be best if you people (here meaning the maximum possible range of anyone who could be considered Jewish, doesn’t have to be Jack) could designate a term signifying the-particular-subset-in-question-and-not-all-of-the-total-group-in-all-understandings.
    We are not going to stop paying attention to enemies who want us to die (and who are actively and aggressively and illegally working to make that happen), and neither should you.

  180. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You do your cause no favor to label minoritarianism as "Jewish minoritarianism". First of all, just by labeling it as such, you alienate many people, not just Jews but many non-Jews who might otherwise be sympathetic to your views but are not willing to espouse what they would perceive as anti-Semitism. Just call it minoritarianism - it's an ideology, it's not a taint that's in the blood. Anyone of any race can subscribe to an ideology.

    2nd, it's not true. Not all minoritarians are Jews and not all Jews are minoritarians. If there were no Jews in America, minoritarianism would still exist. All those Antifas with Germanic names who keep getting arrested are minoritarians but they ain't Jewish minoritarians. All those undocumented shoppers are not Jews. Sure, in the past (and this includes a lot of aging Baby Boomers who are still kicking around) Jews were disproportionately represented on the Left but they were never the whole problem and as time goes on and secular Jews are breeding themselves out of existence they are going to be less and less a part of the Left, especially since much of the Left is actively hostile to Jews (and actually to Jews and not just to "Zionists" like they sometimes claim).

    All of this summer's insanity was about BLACK lives matter. Not about Jews or immigrants or minorities in general. Bringing black people here as slaves (and then not sending them back to Africa when slavery was over) was America's original sin. You can't pin that one on the Jews (not to say that Jews were 100% absent from the slave trade but they were not the prime movers, not because they had any qualms about participating in the slave trade but because there simply weren't many Jews in early America). Jews were involved in the early civil rights battles but blacks ejected them from their movement long ago. The Marxists who run BLM have no particular love for Jews.

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    Good comment/statement of your views Jack.

    You do your cause no favor to label minoritarianism as “Jewish minoritarianism”. First of all, just by labeling it as such, you alienate many people, not just Jews but many non-Jews who might otherwise be sympathetic to your views but are not willing to espouse what they would perceive as anti-Semitism. Just call it minoritarianism – it’s an ideology, it’s not a taint that’s in the blood. Anyone of any race can subscribe to an ideology.

    This is a very good point Jack. Post Holocaust, Jews have a protective blanket around themselves. Most white gentiles do not want to be associated with any criticism of Jews just because of the Nazi taint. White the exception of specifically criticizing the Israeli lobby–which many people see as ethnic lobbying on foreign policy and hence not really “in the blanket”–it’s actually even now still easier to criticize blacks as a group behaviorally or politically. (Criticism immunity is quite an achievement, but then losing millions of people to get there.)

    My take is this is something of a catch-22 for nationalists like myself. There’s the marketing side where “minoritarianism” is the correct term. (I was reading Chris Caldwell’s latest and he apparently independently came up with my “minoritarianism” term as well. Good job Chris. He, of course says nothing about the Jews. Smart move Chris!)

    But if you are attempting any sort of honest intellectual history–explain to people how we got here–then it’s impossible to do without explaining that it is a Jewish ideology. As a people with a long history as a middle-man minority living within large host gentile populations, Jews are majority hostile and wanted to move the ideology–and state power–to being pro-minority, anti-majority.

    ~~

    2nd, it’s not true. Not all minoritarians are Jews and not all Jews are minoritarians. If there were no Jews in America, minoritarianism would still exist.

    Here’s where you are either confused, in denial or really stealing not just a base but three or four. I.e. this is the crux of our disagreement.

    Minoritarianism is a Jewish ideology and dominant in the US now because of Jews.

    Would the US have addressed/reformed the situation in the Jim Crow South if Jews were not in America? Yes. Modern broadcast media, modern capitalism, the Cold War all pushed in that direction. We would have put in place all sorts of “equality under the law” But that is not “minoritarianism”.

    I’ve point this ought several times–and neither you nor anyone else has challenged it:

    WASP progressivism was never minoritarianism. If you want the one sentence version it was “everyone should shape up and behave like WASPs”. Even the most aggressive WASP progressive campaigns, like abolition were not minoritarian. Abolition’s driver was “slaver is evil”. It was rooted in Christian universalism–Quakerism, evangelical Protestanism.

    Christian universalism is a real thing–actually the thing Jews rejected in favor of their tribalism–but it is not minoritarianism. Both may talk and propose policy around “fairness”. But one is universal, and one is pro-minority, anti-majority. Christian universalism will drive toward (very pleasant) “one-peoplism”–where the US was headed in 1960 before the rise of the Jews. Jewish minoritarianism drives toward (very unpleasant) ethnic, racial, sexual balkanization and contention–where we are today.

    All those Antifas with Germanic names who keep getting arrested are minoritarians but they ain’t Jewish minoritarians.

    You’ve mentioned this several times as if it’s deeply telling. It’s not. (It only rises to the level of perhaps interesting–in HBD sense–if there’s some sort of white ethnic variation–Germans over Irish or English? No idea.)

    Minoritarianism is the ideology of the American state in this age. These creeps in the streets took it with their mother’s milk. They were indoctrinated with it in school and university. Hollyweird has relentless pushed it. Soros funds it. If this was 700 years ago, these loons might be on pilgrimage. 800 or 900 years ago maybe go on a crusade. Minoritarianism rather than Christianity is the reigning ideology today … so they are doing this.

    You can find white gentile women deeply invested in the “diversity” racket–like the white fragility gal. (Reasons for this problem were the point of my comment.) That doesn’t mean gentile women created minoritarianism anymore than seeing nuns in a convent meant they created Christianity.

    All of this summer’s insanity was about BLACK lives matter. Not about Jews or immigrants or minorities in general. Bringing black people here as slaves (and then not sending them back to Africa when slavery was over) was America’s original sin.

    That 1619 was deeply stupid is without a doubt. And yes my ancestors were responsible not “the Jews”. (I can’t say any of mine were directly involved–i’ve got some generic Anglos, some Quakers, a snip of Scots-Irish–but they were around, probably not here in 1619, but later.)

    Without the Jews would we be having this summer’s riots. No. Blacks might be having a riot over some police incident. That happens–see 1992 in LA.

    But we absolutely positively would not be having this gianormous minoritarian hissy fit–the protests, the virtue signalling yard signs, the “defund the police” and general willingness of Democrat politicians to give up on rule-of-law without Jews and minoritarianism.

    The core concept–the sacralizing of blacks as a sainted minority oppressed by tyrannical “structurally racist” whitey … who really should not have to get arrested–that all flows specifically from minoritarianism. Christian–one-law-for-everyone–universalism simply does not get your there.

    • Agree: Sam Malone
    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @AnotherDad


    But if you are attempting any sort of honest intellectual history–explain to people how we got here–then it’s impossible to do without explaining that it is a Jewish ideology. As a people with a long history as a middle-man minority living within large host gentile populations, Jews are majority hostile and wanted to move the ideology–and state power–to being pro-minority, anti-majority.
     
    This is a Just So story. You have determined Jewish interests from what has happened, rather than reflecting on what those interests actually would make sense as being.

    Seen clearly, middlemen minorities compete with middlemen minorities, not with the elites and masses with whom they live in symbiosis. You wouldn't expect the rulers to want to import an alternative ruling class or the masses to want to import scabs, would you?

    Furthermore, middlemen minorities, who are alleged to largely depend on ethnic networks, would be particularly against the importation of rivals to their economic niche.

    So now you'll have to change your opinion on what the facts are to make them fit what you want your beliefs to be. The Jews will now be an absolute elite who want to import a multitude of peoples in order to divide and rule everyone else.

    Except, if this were true, they'd only be for low skilled Central American style immigration (and European immigration, because why not), which, by the way, really does make the lives of the elites better, but progressives are not only for that at all.

    They just seem to be for all immigration so that all of the world's peoples can come to America and shape up and be progressive liberals like them. It is a truly universalizing mission in how it seeks out adherents, even if it is neither equal nor constant in who it sacralizes. But since it is a movement of ideological abstraction, it is the the propagation of that ideological abstraction which it cherishes, not who the ideology benefits.

    Like much of organised Christianity, it wants believers, and it will alternatively laud and humiliate potential converts and current adherents in order to bring all under its control. A tactic which sadly often works at both the individual level and societal level.

    Blacks get love over George Floyd but then get hit with alleged homophobia. This push and pull reels them in, much like one does a fish in the deep sea. The working class were also sustained targets of this. Of course, when the abuser/egotist/ideologue is abandoned by a group or individual, that abuser flies into narcissistic rage and all manner of moral defects are alleged against the abandoner. At the same time, in truth, the working class only left the grip of the progressive elite because the progressive elite no longer needed them and actually could get more of a sense of supply by demeaning them...but now you have your explanation for why the progressive elite somehow consider themselves the ones who have been betrayed, a totally mad belief.

    WASP progressivism was never minoritarianism. If you want the one sentence version it was “everyone should shape up and behave like WASPs”. Even the most aggressive WASP progressive campaigns, like abolition were not minoritarian. Abolition’s driver was “slaver is evil”. It was rooted in Christian universalism–Quakerism, evangelical Protestanism
     
    The dominant ideology is still that everyone should shape up and behave like WASPs. It is just that WASPs have been diluted into a larger elite and the elite's status markers have become even more distorted and luxury.

    You just disagree with the ideology as to what "shaping up" is. That is your own status anxiety, but it is pretty obvious what high status beliefs are.

    I've spent plenty of time with 100% white Anglo-Saxon peers for whom progressive ideology is absolutely a core part of their identity - perhaps the most important contemporary class marker.

    You might say that this wouldn't have happened without Jewish influence, but that's impossible to discern. Especially given that it is Reform Jews, whose entire practice of religion is an assimilation to German Protestantism, not more Jewy Jews, who epitomise this.

    If Jews were an alien and oppositional force then they would never have been able to enter the elite. Or if they were conquerors, the elite would all have assimilated into Hassidim.

    The core concept–the sacralizing of blacks as a sainted minority oppressed by tyrannical “structurally racist” whitey … who really should not have to get arrested–that all flows specifically from minoritarianism. Christian–one-law-for-everyone–universalism simply does not get your there.
     
    One law for everyone is not part of Christianity. One law for everyone is a product of liberalism and nationalism - the two used to be intertwined.

    Christianity has no history of one law for everyone, even if liberalism and nationalism arose in Christian nations. In fact, liberalism and nationalism, from Henry VIII to the unification of Germany, everywhere, reallocated institutional power away from Christianity.

    What Christianity does have is a past of people misunderstanding it and seeing, in the story of Jesus, the righteousness of the victim. I find this to be a terrible missing of the point, as Jesus was no victim at all, but a paragon of omnipotence showing empathy.

    Still, it is more basic to say that he was like George Floyd, or feeling it means you need to fix everyone, rather than a direct example of God showing humanity the respect of allowing us to develop ourselves while also sitting with us in our pain. But then, big organisations and mass movements don't tend to be encouraging of spiritual wisdom.
    , @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    As a people with a long history as a middle-man minority living within large host gentile populations, Jews are majority hostile and wanted to move the ideology–and state power–to being pro-minority, anti-majority.
     
    As a middle-man minority, I also want unlimited ice cream for breakfast and hot and cold running shiksas, but as a famous goyish philosopher once said, "you can't always get what you want". Jews were never more than 5% of the US population. Did they use their Jew tricknology to brainwash the other 95%? Why did this never work before or anywhere else except for post WWII America? My parents in Poland (where Jews were over 10% of the population) would have jumped for joy if the state ideology had been merely neutral toward the Jews let alone pro-minority but when they tried their Jewhypnosis on the locals, it never seemed to work.

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  181. @martin_2
    Surely "wokeness" cannot really win, at least in the long run, since it is based upon false beliefs about the nature of reality. Racial inequalities in life outcomes are caused by differences in the level of average intelligence across different Races, not by white people oppressing blacks. If you believe or pretend to believe otherwise then things will not go as planned. Its that simple.

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    Surely “wokeness” cannot really win, at least in the long run, since it is based upon false beliefs about the nature of reality.

    In the long run, no. But it can prevail for long enough to destroy white civilization.

    Racial inequalities in life outcomes are caused by differences in the level of average intelligence across different Races, not by white people oppressing blacks. If you believe or pretend to believe otherwise then things will not go as planned.

    The only truly meritocratic society – one that cannot afford any pretence of human equality – is a primitive, pre-cvilizational one. Hunter-gathering, perhaps. The more complex and civilized a society becomes, the more it can support people who make no direct contribution to its survival, and the more it can tolerate false and destructive ideologies. Technology ensures everyone can live well above the poverty line, in relative safety from dangerous predators. The eventual collapse brought on by wokeness can be postponed for decades.

    • Agree: Travis
  182. @Jack D
    @Altai

    I'm sorry but I'm not buying Garden of Eden explanations like "it's all gone bad because white people are too good and kind and naive and trusting. Everything was perfect until those Jews showed up and tricked white people out of their patrimony. Shoulda never let 'em in and then everything would have been fine."

    These are the same white people who once conquered the world and who had no qualms about dragging people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free (and that, BTW, caused no end of problems to this day and was something that white people did to themselves). Something changed in the nature of white people themselves and it wasn't the Joos who done it to them. Blaming others for your woes is what black people do all the time. It is unbecoming of the once proud race of white people. It's one of the things that made Hitler so pathetic - there was no stab in the back. Sometime you lose despite your best efforts. You need to look in the mirror and consider what you could have done differently, not go looking for scapegoats.

    If Joos really did what people here say they did, the response of whites should have been GTFO of here (not literally, but in the sense that "we're in charge here and we're not buying any of your crazy bullshit"). That's what it would have been at one time but something caused it to change. Maybe it goes back to female suffrage, but then you have to go back even further and analyze what had already changed in the society that women were now demanding the vote and that men were now willing to give in to their demands.

    Then there is the problem that the Leftist critique was fundamentally right. Suppressing the rights of blacks, treating gay's private bedroom behavior as criminal, excluding women from the vote and the workforce, etc. - all of those things were fundamentally wrong and un-American. One of Alinsky's rules was "make the other side live up to their own rule book." OTOH, you can view this as a cynical ploy or a tactic but OTOH, isn't it right that we should live up to our ideals? The American experiment was founded on the premise that all men were created equal (while at the same time things in fact were far from equal) and in the long run those contradictions had to be resolved and the promise met. It requires a superhuman, unsustainable effort to maintain a reactionary regime indefinitely. You can never let up your guard.

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    At least when you blame the majority for a minority’s poor behaviour, it makes a degree of sense. There’s a substance to numbers. But blaming a tiny minority for the majority’s poor behaviour is plain ridiculous.

    You end up having to make the minority impossibly powerful and demonic, while also making the majority just too perfect for this world.

    Neither is even slightly true.

    It is a textbook narcissistic opinion. It looks absurd with distance, but does wonders for how the opinion holder feels about themselves.

    • Agree: Dissident
  183. The 14th Amendment is a Reconstruction Era catastrophe.

    It was written in deliberately fuzzy fashion so as to make it amenable to pro- big government interpretations, in-perpetuity.

    It’s a lawyer’s dream that needs to be repealed.

    [MORE]

    14 also created that most un-American of institutional, legal fictions: the US citizen.

    Beforehand, Americans considered themselves to be Californians, Virginians, or maybe Southerners (not “whites”), and so forth.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Abolish_public_education


    The 14th Amendment is a Reconstruction Era catastrophe.

    It was written in deliberately fuzzy fashion so as to make it amenable to pro- big government interpretations, in-perpetuity.
     
    This is what the Antifederalists said about the Constitution itself. It's why John Lansing and Robert Yates stormed out of the Convention.

    When Hamilton returned from his tavern-keeping or whatever, he found he was the only New Yorker left, and refused to vote because he knew his views didn't represent his entire state.

    One neglected part of the 14th, however, is denying congressional representation to non-voters. (Except, of course, the wives and children of voters.) We need to bring that back.
  184. @Harry Baldwin
    @peterike

    I couldn't agree more. It's hard to figure out what motivates the black-pillers on this site who delight in declaring that Trump has done absolutely nothing. They're either concern-trolls or perfectionists for whom half a loaf is no better than no bread at all. They may be disappointed that in one term, in which he has been defied and sabotaged every step of the way, Trump has failed to stop Leviathan dead in its tracks. I'm disappointed too, but there's no one waiting in the wings ready to do the job better than he has.

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    Thank you. I wonder if too many people today under sixty just never had a decent course in civics. That’s where I learned that the President is not a king – he can’t just decree that the wall shall be built, that Obamacare will be replaced, that chain migration will end, and so on.

    Especially with activist federal judges who can basically obstruct even those orders that are legal for six months or a year, until they get to the Supreme Court.

    Basically, we sent Donald Trump to Washington with no help – and most of the Republican establishment was just been waiting for him to leave, so they can go back to what they were doing before he arrived.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Anon7


    Basically, we sent Donald Trump to Washington with no help – and most of the Republican establishment was just been waiting for him to leave, so they can go back to what they were doing before he arrived.
     
    This is because Trump really is serious about trying to clean up DC.

    Actually doing so means drying up the Amazon River of domestic and foreign lobbyist money flowing into Dem AND Repub coffers.

    The few folks that have thrown a bit of support to Trump are the ones less addicted to that river of lobbyist cash.
  185. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

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    What you wrote is a sort of philosophy of history: 70 years ago, class-wise & otherwise, US was a sane society. That sane society, actually world number 1 in most disciplines, has degenerated through university indoctrination & greedy corrupt power of various spooks, corporations & similar agencies.

    But- I don’t think it is so.

    Charles de Gaulle always thought that US was not a “real nation” & that it will collapse sooner or later because it lacked historical ethnic substance; it lacked a sense of destiny. It was a huge swath of land populated by greedy non-intersecting ethnic tribes, focused only on the temporary greed & gain and held together by the glue of old WASP elite ethics & culture. Its ethos was an American dream, which was great during various old-fashioned European class obstacles, but one cannot build anything permanently only on the ideal of individual success & “rugged individualism” (whether it was true anytime is another question). For a people to thrive & last, one has to have a nationhood. A nation is an extended family, and when you have a situation that “others” (blacks, most Asians, many to most Hispanics, virtually all Muslims) are around 40% of the population, you can’t have a functioning society. At most, even without white self-hatred, you’ll end up as a better India or Brazil, variously stratified societies.

    De Gaulle was right & wrong, simultaneously. True, ethnic Europeans who came after the 1880s have been assimilated through school & workplace (although retaining some specific traits). But, they’re only slightly different from the English, Scots, Irish, Germans … in their genotype & cultural phenotype.

    Blacks remain a permanent other; Muslims too; most east & south Asians, with some exceptions, too. How can big Mestizo population be “Americanized”, whatever you teach them in schools? Or Hindu Indians, with their castes? Real Native Americans, some 300 or 400 tribes, also remain aliens.

    True, minoritarianism is a silly fake religion. But, the idea was a noble one: let us give blacks the sense of dignity, or at least some placebo pride because all they have is a low-brow culture built upon memory of an enslaved people.The same with others. Since demography is destiny, one cannot sustain a highly functioning society when unassimilable aliens (race, culture, religion,,..) have grown from 15% to over 40%. Whether one changes university programs or dissolves various organizations.

    A (successful) people is more than a conglomerate of corporations.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Bardon Kaldian wrote to me:


    But- I don’t think [what Dave wrote] is so....

    [The US] was a huge swath of land populated by greedy non-intersecting ethnic tribes, focused only on the temporary greed & gain and held together by the glue of old WASP elite ethics & culture.
     
    But as you imply, that "old WASP" ethics and culture did indeed hold the country together and enabled the country to achieve breath-taking accomplishments. As Amy Wax has emphasized, some cultures are better than others at the task of creating and maintaining an industrial civilization, and the "bourgeois ethics" of this most bourgeois of nations was a superb fit.

    However, the original "Progressive" movement was also overwhelmingly a WASP enterprise (see, e.g., Crunden's Ministers of Reform), but they rebelled against traditional American institutions and values.

    Progressivism in the broad sense is a rebellion by members of the WASP elite against the traditional American WASP bourgeois culture.

    And it is a disaster for human lives.

    BK also wrote:

    Blacks remain a permanent other; Muslims too; most east & south Asians, with some exceptions, too. How can big Mestizo population be “Americanized”, whatever you teach them in schools? Or Hindu Indians, with their castes?
     
    Blacks, Muslims, Hispanics, Asians who adopt the traditional American bourgeois culture have done well, despite all of our society's problems. The problem is that, starting especially in the 1960s, the ruling WASP elite started discouraging non-assimilated groups from adopting America's traditional bourgeois culture ("acting white" and all that).

    And the consequences have been devastating.

    Amy Wax is right: traditional bourgeois culture allowed people of different levels of intelligence and ability, different ethnic and religious groups, etc. to have productive and fulfilling lives. Not everyone has to be a college graduate; not everyone has to be a professional or white-collar worker.

    But at the same time that the progressives rigidified and bureaucratized the educational and occupational structure of our society, they also discouraged the lower classes from assimilating the basic bourgeois culture that is necessary to flourish in an industrial society.

    BK also wrote:

    True, minoritarianism is a silly fake religion. But, the idea was a noble one: let us give blacks the sense of dignity, or at least some placebo pride because all they have is a low-brow culture built upon memory of an enslaved people.
     
    No, it is not "noble" -- it is evil and racist. Every human being should be entitled to share in the greatest cultural riches created by the human race.

    And, at the current point in history, those greatest achievements are largely due to white males -- Newton and Darwin and Einstein, Beethoven and Gershwin and Mahler, etc. There are also some significant non-white contributions --- Scott Joplin, Eubie Blake, etc. But the achievements from the last 500 years are overwhelmingly from whites.

    To deny blacks the right to participate in that culture is racist.

    Many blacks do participate in that culture, you know: the economist Thomas Sowell, the linguist John McWhorter, Justice Clarence Thomas, etc. They know that Beethoven and Darwin and all the rest belong to all of humanity, not just white people.

    But the current rendition of progressivism tries to deny this.

    The progressives have a great deal to answer for.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  186. Why are they winning, very simple : The non-wokers conceded the race-card to them and allowed them to wield it against themselves with a vengence, when in fact they , the non-wokers, should be hitting them 24/7 with same-said tactics, and they would be in fact expressing the truth as my keen observations over decades has been that the woke honchos are in fact the most racist bunch of hypocrites walking the planet.
    Simply by virtue of the fact that the non-wokers allow them, the wokers, to own and employ the race-card at will is simply an unwanted admission that they, the wokers are right and that the non-wokers are then admitting : Yeah we are odious racists and you guys are the champions of the downtrodden poc.

    DT at times has infact labeled them, the wokers, as racists but he has sadly not followed through with this theme.

    AJM

  187. 1980 may be a crucial cutoff birth date, but I see wokeness as a more hateful and externally directed outgrowth of what we Boomers called “white guilt.” But even more to the point would be white embarrassment.

    Boomers on some level feel embarrassed to be the most comfortable and fortunate cohort in history, and when we see criminal, insane or self-destructive behavior we turn away, pretend not to notice, let it continue and find some way to blame ourselves. Even more than race or crime, look at how we (fail to) treat the homeless problem. We pretend to ignore it, endure it or even enable it in some misguided form of compassion because we have so much and they have so little and so it somehow must be our fault.

    So this has been setting the stage for some 30 years as younger white people turn the embarrassment into a deeper hatred and self-loathing, and the many preceding comments here ably explain how that has progressed.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
  188. @Thulean Friend
    Wokeness is a cynical tactic by those who understand that race/gender is a stronger identity marker than class. The right-wing is unable to compete because they have spent their entire lives dismissing class consciousness and economic justice. So they cannot make that argument.

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.

    The answer is unironically race-blind solidarity, of the kind that the left used to champion but is now being denounced as 'white privilege'. Even feminists can't seem to agree without attacking so-called 'white feminism'. I don't think we're fated to be at daggers drawn over matters of race. This is stoked deliberately from the top-down to avoid the yawning inequality of our times. Sadly, it seems the plebs are easily distracted.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @utu, @Reg Cæsar, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @John Johnson, @AndrewR, @Cloudbuster, @Eagle Eye

    Permanent racial solidarity is impossible given the stark differences between the races. But in the short term, goyim of every race would benefit by teaming up to oppose Jewish Supremacy. That must be our primary goal: to make everyone aware of, and against, Jewish Supremacy. We have no other choice.

  189. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You do your cause no favor to label minoritarianism as "Jewish minoritarianism". First of all, just by labeling it as such, you alienate many people, not just Jews but many non-Jews who might otherwise be sympathetic to your views but are not willing to espouse what they would perceive as anti-Semitism. Just call it minoritarianism - it's an ideology, it's not a taint that's in the blood. Anyone of any race can subscribe to an ideology.

    2nd, it's not true. Not all minoritarians are Jews and not all Jews are minoritarians. If there were no Jews in America, minoritarianism would still exist. All those Antifas with Germanic names who keep getting arrested are minoritarians but they ain't Jewish minoritarians. All those undocumented shoppers are not Jews. Sure, in the past (and this includes a lot of aging Baby Boomers who are still kicking around) Jews were disproportionately represented on the Left but they were never the whole problem and as time goes on and secular Jews are breeding themselves out of existence they are going to be less and less a part of the Left, especially since much of the Left is actively hostile to Jews (and actually to Jews and not just to "Zionists" like they sometimes claim).

    All of this summer's insanity was about BLACK lives matter. Not about Jews or immigrants or minorities in general. Bringing black people here as slaves (and then not sending them back to Africa when slavery was over) was America's original sin. You can't pin that one on the Jews (not to say that Jews were 100% absent from the slave trade but they were not the prime movers, not because they had any qualms about participating in the slave trade but because there simply weren't many Jews in early America). Jews were involved in the early civil rights battles but blacks ejected them from their movement long ago. The Marxists who run BLM have no particular love for Jews.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Chris Renner, @J.Ross, @AnotherDad, @Bardon Kaldian, @James Forrestal

    If there were no Jews in America, minoritarianism would still exist.

    I’m saying this all the time, but nobody would listen.

    Bringing black people here as slaves (and then not sending them back to Africa when slavery was over) was America’s original sin.

    It was a huge mistake, but let’s not moralize (“original sin”). All countries have problems with imported blacks. They just don’t want to commit collective societal suicide because of that, nor do they give ex-slaves’ descendants a sacred status.

    The Marxists who run BLM

    Marxists have to do with BLM as much as the Torah with gay pride in Tel Aviv.

  190. @unit472
    Realistically what could even the most rabid 'racist' do to deny negroes jobs or advancement if he ran more than a sole proprietorship with a handful of ( family ) employees? The 'system' wouldn't allow it. Its a numbers game so, for all but the tiniest economic units, not having any negroes is prima facie evidence of discrimination. One cannot say, in defense of your hiring policies you use a competitive testing because your test will be declared 'discriminatory' if not enough negroes are able to pass it. The system is rigged to not allow anyone, racist or not, to not hire negroes or face a legal onslaught.

    I remember home builders being sued for discrimination because their advertising renderings of their residential communities did not feature any obviously negro faces on the sidewalks or in the yards of the development. Obviously the builder did not 'draw' the picture but he had better make it clear to the architect who did to draw black faces and they had better look middle class not some dindu with dreadlocks engaged in a car jacking because reality is not allowed.

    The truth is the most enforced law in the United States for the past 50 years has been the prohibition on discrimination against the negro. Even murder and rape statutes ( unless by a white against a black) are not enforced so rigorously. OJ was allowed to kill his white wife as I recall but woe unto any realtor who steered OJ away buying a home in Brentwood.

    Replies: @bomag, @Bill Jones

    The ‘system’ wouldn’t allow it.

    Just against Whites.

    From what I’ve seen, various groups like Mexicans, sub-continental Indians, Chinese, etc. happily hire their friends, family, and co-ethics without any push back from the usual sources.

    The remnant White population in the US will spend its last days in an internment camp under constant punishment for discrimination while everyone else feasts on the carcass they built and had taken away.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @bomag

    Reminds me of a tweet I saw that sums up 2020: the US is a rotting corpse. The left roots for the maggots and conservatives root for the corpse.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  191. @R.G. Camara
    Because the communists are well-organized, well-funded, and have been preparing for decades in this country to do it.

    And yes it is Marxism. It's just Marxism flavored by leftist think-tank rhetoric so as to try to slip it past us.

    Replies: @Kronos, @MBlanc46

    It’s a devil of a question. Are the Cultural Marxists actually Marxist?

    In David Garrow’s “Rising Star” book you get a sense that Garrow (who’s an actual socialist) has a level of contempt for Bill Ayers. That there is a large (yet unspoken) division between those who remained genuine socialists/communists after the 1960s (Garrow) and those who “sold out” (Ayers.)

    It might be better differentiated between those who supported 1960s Marxism for economic reasons (supporting working families) against those who supported it for cultural reasons (abolishing sexual norms rooted in Christianity.) The Weather Underground was notorious for their sexual orgies “the army that fucks together fights together” was a common slogan. (If you were a clever CIA/FBI agent trying to sow discord amongst communist groups in 1960s America, trying to triangulate the culturally-focused marxists might’ve been a good strategy.)

    After the 1960s, it’s likely Ayers and his ilk essentially abandoned traditional Marxism and actually found Capitalist consumerism to be a better vehicle for culturally transforming America. If that was the case the Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrns of the 1960s largely won in that cultural objective. In the book Ayers introduced Obama to “Woke Capital” in terms of private donors and various foundations. (Ayers later obtained a Ph.D specializing In elementary education and worked with Obama on Chicago schools. Of course he’d attack people like Arther Jensen publishing work that’ll threaten his bread and butter.) That world of foundation grants and networks paved to the way for Obama’s political career.

  192. @Hugo Silva
    The problem with classifying Wokeness as anti-white racism is that the most enthusiastically woke people are Whites. You need to explain why so many Whites hate their own race. In my opinion this a religious phenomenon, Christianity for people who don't believe in God, with the Blacks as sacred martyrs and the Whites showing their piety by uplifting the sacred martyrs.

    Replies: @Bill, @Bardon Kaldian, @Tex, @AndrewR, @Corvinus, @dfordoom

    (((Whose))) lead are these whites following tho??

    There is a religious aspect to this but we also have to examine cultural/social/financial/legal incentives. The religiousness aspect to Wokeness is admittedly real but ultimately negligible in most meaningful aspects. The dumb whites who unironically buy into wokeness are pawns aka NPCs. They would fall in line of we were in charge.

  193. @John Johnson
    @Reg Cæsar

    "race-blind solidarity"

    Like this has ever worked anywhere. Races are different enough to perform differently. The less-successful race will always feel cheated, as will the more-successful one, in a different way. Both are right.

    A left or workers party can be race-blind. It has happened in other countries.

    The key would be having economic policies that benefit all races in comparison to what is offered by establishment parties. With our two parties that is a pretty low bar.

    Such a party would have to be led by strong minded people that keep out new left activists that would inevitably try to interject themselves. The top of this party would probably have to be a dictatorship until the competing parties are cracked. You would have to eliminate the possibility of the wokester cult muddling the debate with race or running their own liberal to steal its success.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    A left or workers party can be race-blind. It has happened in other countries.

    Name one.

    The key would be having economic policies that benefit all races in comparison to what is offered by establishment parties.

    There is no policy that will benefit all races equally. Any change will advantage one more than the others, and the others will complain.

    Do you think the first minimum wages applied only to women because legislators loved the ladies? No, it was to discourage their employment. Male unions pushed them; the League of Women Voters refused to support any minimum until it applied to both sexes equally.

    When minimums were applied to male labor, it was done with the express intention of keeping low-priced blacks out.

    So much for “race-blind”. I’m surprised you and Thulean haven’t been laughed off this forum. Even Tiny Duck doesn’t fall for race blindness.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Reg Cæsar


    There is no policy that will benefit all races equally. Any change will advantage one more than the others, and the others will complain.

    Do you think the first minimum wages applied only to women because legislators loved the ladies? No, it was to discourage their employment. Male unions pushed them; the League of Women Voters refused to support any minimum until it applied to both sexes equally.
     
    ...

    You seem to have given an excellent example of something which was "race blind" when trying to prove that such was impossible...

    ...

    You might say that there is no such thing as undivisive government policies but then you fall into having to recognise that any set of conditions will have relative winners and losers or all characteristics.

    I feel that you went much too far with your point. Race has clearly often been a very big factor in America, but I'm not sure it was in Imperial Rome or somewhere. Perhaps mass visual media makes race as a key dividing line inevitable, but, were there no black Americans, only Hispanics, I doubt it would be that big of a deal. It isn't in Mexico or Cuba, despite American cultural dominance. And in Mexico the disparity between those who lack totally European and those who look totally indigenous makes even me, who prefers to let people be, feel astinhsinglt uncomfortable.
    , @John Johnson
    @Reg Cæsar

    Name one. (a race blind workers party).

    Could name dozens.

    People's Justice Party Malaysia. Explicitly economic in a multi-racial country.

    There is no policy that will benefit all races equally. Any change will advantage one more than the others, and the others will complain.

    What I said was that their policies would have to be more beneficial to all races compared to what is offered by mainstream parties.

    I did not say that all races would find every policy to be equally beneficial. It's impossible in politics to please all groups at all times. But that doesn't mean that you have to serve one group exclusively.

    You should really spend some time reading about countries outside the US. We are not the only multi-racial country.

    Race-blind parties have existed for decades in multi-racial countries and you are laughing at the idea as if it is my own personal theory. I think the joke is on you.

  194. @AnotherDad
    Steve another good Taki column--i will forward to some friends and neighbors. But i think the essay is missing one critical component--women.

    50,000 ft level, this is just what American society looks like under Jewish minoritarianism (minorities oppressed, virtuous; majorities--i.e. white gentiles--oppressive, evil).

    We've had 50+--even 100--years of Jewish "intellectuals"--e.g. Stephen Jay Gould--lying. And their lies propagated throughout and by academia, public education, media, government and of course, Hollyweird. Because Jews have been treated so incredibly well in America--arguably better than any middle man minority has been treated in world history--blacks were the available cudgel to beat whitey and so that's been the focus of American minoritarianism. With the resulting glaring silliness. (Though they can't help Holocausting now and again--making it about them.)

    After a 50+ year march of Jews through all American institutions replacing the WASP sensibility--which despite city-on-a-hill idealists had a sensible Anglo-empiricism strain and a "this is our nation" vibe that works against wrecking the whole joint--here's where we are. This is our nation on minoritarianism. Yes, it's ugly and stupid.

    ~

    But that's the broad 50,000 ft. view. Down at 10,000 feet, other issues can be seen.

    The salient word i didn't see in your essay: "women".

    Our current "woke" insanity is minoritarianism with a female twist.


    There are a few identifiable "women's issues" in play here--more or less in order of importance:

    1) Misplaced Nurture.
    Women's emotional state is tuned towards nurture. That's their critical role--birthing, nursing and nurturing their children. This tunes women a bit naturally toward the "left" in social welfare terms. The "social welfare" party promises to take care of women, which eases their great social/sexual risk/fear--failure of male provision/abandonment. (The male analog risk/fear is being cuckolded--your resources spent on another man's kids. Which tends to orient men against social welfarism--at least of non-working parasites.)

    Nurture is a poor emotion for politics. Politics is properly about the external and general: protection from invasion, public order and only then improving material conditions ("promote the general welfare")--sort of broad "nurture".

    Now we have millions of women--especially young women--who simply do not have their own children to do their nurturing on. Female careerism pushes child bearing out past their prime fertility while immigration crushes "affordable family formation". (Obesity and bad attitudes suppress marriage and fertility further.) Millions of additional women are childless and almost all have only a few children and spare "nurturing cycles". This misplaced "nurturing" is projected outward to the helpless "oppressed" other and is a political disaster.

    2) Emotionalism/Anti-rationalism
    On average women are much more emotional and less rational. Their natural child bearing role requires successfully navigating social relationships in the tribe. Men on the other hand are in direct sexual competition which involves aggression and physicality, but also outward impersonal analysis: "will this be a good club?", "we need a harder spearpoint that will hold an edge and won't break", "what if we hid 20 guys in those rocks, then when the Kendi hunters came by we'd have them by surprise, surrounded, could kill them, then would defeat the remainder at camp and enjoy their women and have these hunting grounds to ourselves."

    Men--most white men--can be turned by arguments like "Democrats are saying the police are particularly picking on and shooting blacks? Hmm, let's look at the police shooting data and compare with the violent crime data and see if that's true." That simply doesn't twang the neurons of most women. It's "look what they did to poor George Floyd ... he was kneeling on his neck!!!"

    3) Female compliance.
    Women are the more compliant--"stay within the lines"--sex. That's how it should be. You don't need to go outside the lines to bear, nurse and raise children (at least in any society that is going to last!). Staying inside the lines is goodness. Men might need to go outside the lines in sexual competition, to advance in status, to make a discovery.

    As long as society is healthy with a "narrative" that reinforces its continuance and survival this feminine compliance is all to the good.

    But now after 50 years of Jewish minoritarianism instead of a healthy narrative delivered by family, neighbors, church, women have been getting the socially cancerous minoritarian narrative delivered by schools, universities and Hollyweird. And being compliant ... women tend to lap it up and comply with it.

    4) Minoritarianizing women (Jewish feminism)
    One of the "achievements" of Jewish 2nd wave feminism was to minoritarianize women--get women to see themselves as an aggrieved, put upon, minority like the Jews imagine themselves.

    This is of course ... ridiculous. Women are not any kind of minority. Women are one of the two sexes, inherently complementary with their men. (Every man has a mother, and usually a wife and sisters and/or daughters. We exist as a people together.) And 2nd wave feminism was possible only because American men had done such a good job utilizing technological breakthroughs (esp. the electric revolution) that women's domestic duties were significantly reduced/eased--lighting, heating control, washing, cooking, shopping, cleaning, even child care--making other work at least possible while breakthroughs were likewise mitigating the need for male strength/robustness in more and more jobs. American women--then or now--are not oppressed but among the most "privileged" people in human history.

    But ... Jewish yada, yada, yada ... it sort of worked. A lot of American women manage to conjure up some narrative of being "oppressed" and are often unhappy--usually because unfulfilled nurturing noted above. And such women are suckers for the latest minoritarian oppression narrative. (Though the last year or two, white women are finding out how low on the oppression totem pole they actually are.)

    0) Social media
    And the four tendencies above ... now suddenly matter much more. Because with social media ... we now "hear" "women's voices"--particularly young women's voices. Why anyone would feel compelled to listen to young women--to take their "ideas" seriously--is beyond me. Of the old/young male/female split, young women are far and away the most ignorant and least rational quadrant. Not where a society should go to find "wisdom". But people nonetheless react to their braying on social media.

    ~~

    Those are my big five. Take 'em for what you will.

    But my main point is that this "woke" freakout reads like a very feminine hissy on top of the long takeover our nation's ideology by Jewish minoritarianism:

    Woke insanity is Jewish minoritarianism with a female twist.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Coemgen, @S. Anonyia

    Young women are silly because they are socialized into excessive niceness and shielded from the problems of the world. Working class women aren’t protected, so they have a great deal more common sense even if lower IQ’s. Parents, teach your daughters to be a little hard-nosed and you’ll find society will gradually correct itself a little. You’ll find that girls who were raised as the surrogate “son” because their parents had no boys (like me) are almost always fairly conservative. Won’t resolve all of our problems though- those are more fundamental and come from spiritual vacuums.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @S. Anonyia

    This plus, the origin of the university as indoctrination center is not leftist domination of staffing (which is real and important but survivable) but lack of real-world achievement leading to lack self confidence making kids nervous about being able to emulate their parents' success. Make them carry a bucket for a couple of years before college and they will be smarter, healthier, and happier, and they will probably not turn red or tolerate fluff classes.

  195. Recent example of acceptable intergroup ethnic animus with no communal response. The reverse, however…

  196. Times of Israel comments section on Baron Cohen’s Borat 2:

    Dovid Kornreich

    I wish there could be a “Borat” for the left. It would be someone who mingles with University faculties and Coastal elite circles, extracting all the abhorrent attitudes that typical leftists harbor against Israel and deeply religious people generally.

    David Bernstein

    That’s exactly the problem with Borat. Cohen “exposes”, or laughs at, the sort of people that coastal liberals think should be exposed and laughed at. Since he is a member of that class, he is playing to type. Doing the same thing at, say, an SJP meeting or a BLM meeting would be just as exposey/funny, but it would make Cohen unpopular is the circles he travels in. In 2006, he had the excuse that you can’t do everything in one movie. But repeating the same shtick leads to the conclusion that he’s just not very courageous.

    Bob Mc

    Agreed. Unfortunately he appears to be very unoriginal with his chosen targets in the sequel and parituclarly likes to focus on dead horses that have long ago been beaten to the point of turning into glue.

  197. Sacha Baron Cohen strikes. Foreign interference. You’d think he’d know better in election season, but the honey trap is effective for good evolutionary reasons.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8864821/Giuliani-caught-Borats-daughter-hand-pants.html

  198. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Reg Cæsar

    "a blueprint for power using economic-class analysis as a veil"

    The left abandonment of class struggle is not obscured in anyway. Woke is proving to be the most effective divide and conquer psywar weapon in the elite arsenal.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The left abandonment of class struggle is not obscured in anyway.

    Of course. But why did they abandon it? Because identity struggle is found to be a more efficient path to their true goal all along: unanswered power.

    Why do you think that no leftist group ever respects the other side’s right to counter them? This is their one consistent feature.

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Reg Cæsar



    The left abandonment of class struggle is not obscured in anyway.
     
    Of course. But why did they abandon it?
     
    Because if they abandoned the class struggle they could get lots and lots of lovely money from bankers and billionaires.
  199. @SFG
    Also:

    "Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man."

    (Ignatius of Loyola or Aristotle--the classics never cease to amaze me.)

    Everyone laughed when they took over the teachers' colleges, but it turned out to be a lot more important than anyone anticipated.

    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980 or so, so that might help someone smarter than me (or more versed in the fine history of American education) in picking this apart.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @R.G. Camara, @Thea, @Thea, @Thulean Friend, @John Johnson, @Mark G., @James O'Meara, @anonymous-antimarxist

    1980???

    Sounds about right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn

    Howard Zinn (August 24, 1922 – January 27, 2010) was an American historian, playwright, and socialist thinker. He was chair of the history and social sciences department at Spelman College,[1] and a political science professor at Boston University. Zinn wrote over 20 books, including his best-selling and influential A People’s History of the United States in 1980. In 2007, he published a version of it for younger readers, A Young People’s History of the United States.[2]

    Remember that at the end of each semester in the early eighties, the used bookstores on campus who have huge piles of A People’s History of the United States. You could get a copy for a buck. The bookstores only offered 50 cents for a newer copy. Zinn made a fortune because he kept releasing new editions and study guides. Zinn even came out with a version for middle schoolers just in time for the late Millennial generation. All the college of arts and education majors were required to read it. Still back then in the Midwest most kids dismissed it as pure leftist BS. Paying a mint for a book not worth 50 cents at the end of the semester seemed like a racket.

    But yeah it was a key milestone in the long march through the institutions.

  200. Thank you for admitting that Marxism is about class not race. As I have been trying to din into all of your thick skulls since time immemorial, class, not race, is what counts. Class class class. And all you fools do is whinge on about race race race, just like our masters want you to.

    In other words if you whinge against wokeness, or for it, it don’t matter. You’re on the wrong side. Classness is the only enlightened viewpoint.

  201. My opinion is that wokeness is the drill sergeants that have to break the new recruits.

    And after our society is completely demoralized and broken, it can be built back better.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @wren


    My opinion is that wokeness is the drill sergeants that have to break the new recruits.
     
    Yes. That's why it starts in kindergarten. It's a power move. And just like basic training, wokenss and white privilege exercises are meant to humiliate and dominate the helpless before they can fight back.

    There's always been a weird mentality that loved to see the young "broken" and made to submit to authority. Whether it's sadistic drill sergeants or liberal White Ladies attacking White males in class.

  202. Wokeness is Marxism. They just substituted “white men” for “bourgeoisie” and “women and minorities” for “proletariat”. Everything else is exactly the same.

    A funnier take from someone else:

    “If you understand Progressivism to be holiness-spiraled Christianity, and Marxism to be holiness-spiraled Talmudism, then the “cultural Marxism” of the Frankfurt School is the result of them both getting very drunk one night and fucking without a condom.

    “Marxists, including Marxist entryists in the alt-right, love to disown it while simultaneously calling attention to it because it is a perfect example of “not real communism”. Marxists are the regretful father saying “he’s not one of mine, who knows how many other guys she was fucking”. And Progressives, as the embarrassed and angry spurned mother in this couple, will shriek and rage and lash out at you for even bringing up the subject.”

  203. @Mike_from_SGV
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Irrelevant noise even if true. Hunter Biden is not on the ballot.

    Replies: @TWS, @Rob Lee, @AndrewR

    Joe Biden and co. blame all white people for what the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents of some white people did. It’s only fair that Joey take some responsibility for Hunter, especially since Joe was directly involved with Hunter’s corrupt activities.

  204. Wokeness is winning because one of the great truths about our society is unspeakable. This truth is that while white people may have been the problem 100 years ago, things have changed, and today black people are the problem. But you just can’t say that, so you end up spinning off into crazyland.

    Even if you insist it has nothing to do with genetics and you are simply talking about behavior, you still can’t say it. The fundamental gut feeling of liberals and leftists is that because white people enslaved black people it is therefore the obligation of white people and white people alone to put everything right. The fact that it was different white people who were the slavers and different black people who were the slaves is irrelevant, because we are talking about gut feelings, and the gut is very comfortable collective guilt and victimization. An enormous amount of leftist talktalk is simply rationalizations of such gut feelings.

    • Replies: @jb
    @jb

    I'd also like to point out that the Southern slave owners in their time produced a copious amount of verbiage purporting to defend the institution of slavery as beneficial for all, when really they were just rationalizing their own economic interests and their own gut feelings towards blacks. It might be enlightening to compare the two bodies of work side by side.

    , @AndrewR
    @jb

    Whites were certainly more likely to think and act collectively, at least relative to blacks, 100 years ago. And Whites were more likely to treat blacks cruelly and unfairly back then than now. But I would not say "whites were the problem." The problem was importing them from Africa to begin with. And everyone who did that was long-dead by 1920.

    Replies: @jb

  205. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    I don’t know that he lacks the courage, but he certainly lacks the understanding. Like everybody else of his generation, he gets his information from all the usual suspects. I’d be amazed if he’s ever in his life so much as heard of Steve Sailer, or Ron Unz, or anybody else who’s bucking the tide.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @vinteuil


    I’d be amazed if he’s ever in his life so much as heard of Steve Sailer, or Ron Unz, or anybody else who’s bucking the tide.
     
    He has to get the Sailer-ian or Unz-ian ideas after they're laundered by someone slightly less radioactive (unfairly so), such as Ann Coulter (perhaps formerly) or Tucker Carlson.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    @vinteuil

    I’d be amazed if he’s ever in his life so much as heard of Steve Sailer, or Ron Unz, or anybody else who’s bucking the tide.

    Reporters keep asking Trump about Qanon, which I'm quite certain he's never heard of. I wouldn't have heard of it myself if I hadn't looked at Vox Day's site a few times. Qanon is one of these things that's center-of-attention on the left, but pretty much irrelevant on the right. I don't recall seeing it brought upat iSteve.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  206. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Good comment/statement of your views Jack.


    You do your cause no favor to label minoritarianism as “Jewish minoritarianism”. First of all, just by labeling it as such, you alienate many people, not just Jews but many non-Jews who might otherwise be sympathetic to your views but are not willing to espouse what they would perceive as anti-Semitism. Just call it minoritarianism – it’s an ideology, it’s not a taint that’s in the blood. Anyone of any race can subscribe to an ideology.
     
    This is a very good point Jack. Post Holocaust, Jews have a protective blanket around themselves. Most white gentiles do not want to be associated with any criticism of Jews just because of the Nazi taint. White the exception of specifically criticizing the Israeli lobby--which many people see as ethnic lobbying on foreign policy and hence not really "in the blanket"--it's actually even now still easier to criticize blacks as a group behaviorally or politically. (Criticism immunity is quite an achievement, but then losing millions of people to get there.)

    My take is this is something of a catch-22 for nationalists like myself. There's the marketing side where "minoritarianism" is the correct term. (I was reading Chris Caldwell's latest and he apparently independently came up with my "minoritarianism" term as well. Good job Chris. He, of course says nothing about the Jews. Smart move Chris!)

    But if you are attempting any sort of honest intellectual history--explain to people how we got here--then it's impossible to do without explaining that it is a Jewish ideology. As a people with a long history as a middle-man minority living within large host gentile populations, Jews are majority hostile and wanted to move the ideology--and state power--to being pro-minority, anti-majority.

    ~~

    2nd, it’s not true. Not all minoritarians are Jews and not all Jews are minoritarians. If there were no Jews in America, minoritarianism would still exist.
     
    Here's where you are either confused, in denial or really stealing not just a base but three or four. I.e. this is the crux of our disagreement.

    Minoritarianism is a Jewish ideology and dominant in the US now because of Jews.

    Would the US have addressed/reformed the situation in the Jim Crow South if Jews were not in America? Yes. Modern broadcast media, modern capitalism, the Cold War all pushed in that direction. We would have put in place all sorts of "equality under the law" But that is not "minoritarianism".

    I've point this ought several times--and neither you nor anyone else has challenged it:

    WASP progressivism was never minoritarianism. If you want the one sentence version it was "everyone should shape up and behave like WASPs". Even the most aggressive WASP progressive campaigns, like abolition were not minoritarian. Abolition's driver was "slaver is evil". It was rooted in Christian universalism--Quakerism, evangelical Protestanism.

    Christian universalism is a real thing--actually the thing Jews rejected in favor of their tribalism--but it is not minoritarianism. Both may talk and propose policy around "fairness". But one is universal, and one is pro-minority, anti-majority. Christian universalism will drive toward (very pleasant) "one-peoplism"--where the US was headed in 1960 before the rise of the Jews. Jewish minoritarianism drives toward (very unpleasant) ethnic, racial, sexual balkanization and contention--where we are today.


    All those Antifas with Germanic names who keep getting arrested are minoritarians but they ain’t Jewish minoritarians.

     

    You've mentioned this several times as if it's deeply telling. It's not. (It only rises to the level of perhaps interesting--in HBD sense--if there's some sort of white ethnic variation--Germans over Irish or English? No idea.)

    Minoritarianism is the ideology of the American state in this age. These creeps in the streets took it with their mother's milk. They were indoctrinated with it in school and university. Hollyweird has relentless pushed it. Soros funds it. If this was 700 years ago, these loons might be on pilgrimage. 800 or 900 years ago maybe go on a crusade. Minoritarianism rather than Christianity is the reigning ideology today ... so they are doing this.

    You can find white gentile women deeply invested in the "diversity" racket--like the white fragility gal. (Reasons for this problem were the point of my comment.) That doesn't mean gentile women created minoritarianism anymore than seeing nuns in a convent meant they created Christianity.

    All of this summer’s insanity was about BLACK lives matter. Not about Jews or immigrants or minorities in general. Bringing black people here as slaves (and then not sending them back to Africa when slavery was over) was America’s original sin.
     
    That 1619 was deeply stupid is without a doubt. And yes my ancestors were responsible not "the Jews". (I can't say any of mine were directly involved--i've got some generic Anglos, some Quakers, a snip of Scots-Irish--but they were around, probably not here in 1619, but later.)

    Without the Jews would we be having this summer's riots. No. Blacks might be having a riot over some police incident. That happens--see 1992 in LA.

    But we absolutely positively would not be having this gianormous minoritarian hissy fit--the protests, the virtue signalling yard signs, the "defund the police" and general willingness of Democrat politicians to give up on rule-of-law without Jews and minoritarianism.

    The core concept--the sacralizing of blacks as a sainted minority oppressed by tyrannical "structurally racist" whitey ... who really should not have to get arrested--that all flows specifically from minoritarianism. Christian--one-law-for-everyone--universalism simply does not get your there.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Jack D

    But if you are attempting any sort of honest intellectual history–explain to people how we got here–then it’s impossible to do without explaining that it is a Jewish ideology. As a people with a long history as a middle-man minority living within large host gentile populations, Jews are majority hostile and wanted to move the ideology–and state power–to being pro-minority, anti-majority.

    This is a Just So story. You have determined Jewish interests from what has happened, rather than reflecting on what those interests actually would make sense as being.

    Seen clearly, middlemen minorities compete with middlemen minorities, not with the elites and masses with whom they live in symbiosis. You wouldn’t expect the rulers to want to import an alternative ruling class or the masses to want to import scabs, would you?

    Furthermore, middlemen minorities, who are alleged to largely depend on ethnic networks, would be particularly against the importation of rivals to their economic niche.

    So now you’ll have to change your opinion on what the facts are to make them fit what you want your beliefs to be. The Jews will now be an absolute elite who want to import a multitude of peoples in order to divide and rule everyone else.

    Except, if this were true, they’d only be for low skilled Central American style immigration (and European immigration, because why not), which, by the way, really does make the lives of the elites better, but progressives are not only for that at all.

    They just seem to be for all immigration so that all of the world’s peoples can come to America and shape up and be progressive liberals like them. It is a truly universalizing mission in how it seeks out adherents, even if it is neither equal nor constant in who it sacralizes. But since it is a movement of ideological abstraction, it is the the propagation of that ideological abstraction which it cherishes, not who the ideology benefits.

    Like much of organised Christianity, it wants believers, and it will alternatively laud and humiliate potential converts and current adherents in order to bring all under its control. A tactic which sadly often works at both the individual level and societal level.

    Blacks get love over George Floyd but then get hit with alleged homophobia. This push and pull reels them in, much like one does a fish in the deep sea. The working class were also sustained targets of this. Of course, when the abuser/egotist/ideologue is abandoned by a group or individual, that abuser flies into narcissistic rage and all manner of moral defects are alleged against the abandoner. At the same time, in truth, the working class only left the grip of the progressive elite because the progressive elite no longer needed them and actually could get more of a sense of supply by demeaning them…but now you have your explanation for why the progressive elite somehow consider themselves the ones who have been betrayed, a totally mad belief.

    WASP progressivism was never minoritarianism. If you want the one sentence version it was “everyone should shape up and behave like WASPs”. Even the most aggressive WASP progressive campaigns, like abolition were not minoritarian. Abolition’s driver was “slaver is evil”. It was rooted in Christian universalism–Quakerism, evangelical Protestanism

    The dominant ideology is still that everyone should shape up and behave like WASPs. It is just that WASPs have been diluted into a larger elite and the elite’s status markers have become even more distorted and luxury.

    You just disagree with the ideology as to what “shaping up” is. That is your own status anxiety, but it is pretty obvious what high status beliefs are.

    I’ve spent plenty of time with 100% white Anglo-Saxon peers for whom progressive ideology is absolutely a core part of their identity – perhaps the most important contemporary class marker.

    You might say that this wouldn’t have happened without Jewish influence, but that’s impossible to discern. Especially given that it is Reform Jews, whose entire practice of religion is an assimilation to German Protestantism, not more Jewy Jews, who epitomise this.

    If Jews were an alien and oppositional force then they would never have been able to enter the elite. Or if they were conquerors, the elite would all have assimilated into Hassidim.

    The core concept–the sacralizing of blacks as a sainted minority oppressed by tyrannical “structurally racist” whitey … who really should not have to get arrested–that all flows specifically from minoritarianism. Christian–one-law-for-everyone–universalism simply does not get your there.

    One law for everyone is not part of Christianity. One law for everyone is a product of liberalism and nationalism – the two used to be intertwined.

    Christianity has no history of one law for everyone, even if liberalism and nationalism arose in Christian nations. In fact, liberalism and nationalism, from Henry VIII to the unification of Germany, everywhere, reallocated institutional power away from Christianity.

    What Christianity does have is a past of people misunderstanding it and seeing, in the story of Jesus, the righteousness of the victim. I find this to be a terrible missing of the point, as Jesus was no victim at all, but a paragon of omnipotence showing empathy.

    Still, it is more basic to say that he was like George Floyd, or feeling it means you need to fix everyone, rather than a direct example of God showing humanity the respect of allowing us to develop ourselves while also sitting with us in our pain. But then, big organisations and mass movements don’t tend to be encouraging of spiritual wisdom.

  207. @Guest007
    @peterike

    If President Trump is vastly smarter than anyone believes then why is he so bad at managing a staff, why does he refuse to read his briefing books, why does he not study issues, why does he so incapable of spotting talent or building an entourage to carry on his policy goals.

    Is there is no way anyone can claim that someone who has never read a book in his life is vastly smarter than everyone else in Washington.

    Replies: @Coemgen

    If you are so perceptive why do you seem to be unaware that Donald Trump has had multiple and diverse successes in life?

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Coemgen

    I do not consider three trophy wives, multi-bankruptcies, and covering one's lifestyle by borrowing money and not paying it back is indicative of diverse successes. Trump's biggest success is appearing on the Apprentice (as indicated by his tax returns) and that meant that someone else edited Trump's act to make it look interesting.

    Replies: @Coemgen

  208. @jb
    Wokeness is winning because one of the great truths about our society is unspeakable. This truth is that while white people may have been the problem 100 years ago, things have changed, and today black people are the problem. But you just can't say that, so you end up spinning off into crazyland.

    Even if you insist it has nothing to do with genetics and you are simply talking about behavior, you still can't say it. The fundamental gut feeling of liberals and leftists is that because white people enslaved black people it is therefore the obligation of white people and white people alone to put everything right. The fact that it was different white people who were the slavers and different black people who were the slaves is irrelevant, because we are talking about gut feelings, and the gut is very comfortable collective guilt and victimization. An enormous amount of leftist talktalk is simply rationalizations of such gut feelings.

    Replies: @jb, @AndrewR

    I’d also like to point out that the Southern slave owners in their time produced a copious amount of verbiage purporting to defend the institution of slavery as beneficial for all, when really they were just rationalizing their own economic interests and their own gut feelings towards blacks. It might be enlightening to compare the two bodies of work side by side.

  209. @Anon
    OT: "Biden eyes GOP candidates for Cabinet slots." Biden is frantically trying to signal that he's moving to the center before the election to gain votes. Unfortunately for him, the Democrats have been so propagandized and radicalized by the media that even that 70 year-old upper-middle class white Democratic Vermonter will faint dead from shock and betrayal if he reads this headline.

    The moderate old Democratic party is dead. Almost all the Democratic party members left today are radicals, not centrists. Even those old black church ladies in the south are anti-law enforcement because they all have a pack of criminal young male relatives they don't want to see in jail.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/biden-transition-republican-cabinet-429972

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Biden is frantically trying to signal that he’s moving to the center before the election to gain votes.

    I’m pretty blackpiller, but I’ll take this as a good sign that DNC internal polling and the returns from early voting are looking pretty bad for Sleepy China Joe.

  210. Passionate intensity is difficult to confront. It takes a kind courageous resolve that is not natural to most people until their lives are under threat, and even then most will recoil from doing what is actually necessary to stop it.

    Take the case of the beheaded French teacher from last week. Sure, all the news media was praising Macron for facing down this kind of evil, but here is the truth of the matter– no one else in France will be making the mistake that Paty did- they like having heads.

  211. @vinteuil
    @PhysicistDave


    Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.
     
    I don't know that he lacks the courage, but he certainly lacks the understanding. Like everybody else of his generation, he gets his information from all the usual suspects. I'd be amazed if he's ever in his life so much as heard of Steve Sailer, or Ron Unz, or anybody else who's bucking the tide.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Harry Baldwin

    I’d be amazed if he’s ever in his life so much as heard of Steve Sailer, or Ron Unz, or anybody else who’s bucking the tide.

    He has to get the Sailer-ian or Unz-ian ideas after they’re laundered by someone slightly less radioactive (unfairly so), such as Ann Coulter (perhaps formerly) or Tucker Carlson.

  212. @MEH 0910
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1318785312466882562

    Replies: @Anon, @Patrick in SC, @J.Ross

    As with Mueller and Wray, the FBI functions by concealing incriminating evidence under the pretense of investigating it.* Everything has to be kept away from them and done without them until Christopher Wray is replaced by someone who actually wants to enforce the law.
    *And by railroading innocent people via paid informants and fake conspiracies.

  213. @brabantian
    Re 'it's not Marxism', there's a general confusion flowing out of the 'cultural Marxism' label, the policies of which are indeed an inversion and denial of much of classical Marxism

    But - Wokism IS 'Cultural Marxism'

    'Cultural Marxism' is called that way, because it is a new phase for the same people who used to be classical Marxists, and it is a method for achieving the essential Leninist goal, using Leninist means:

    (1) A dictatorship of elites claiming to 'serve the people'
    (2) Achieving power by weaponising sets of minorities against the middle mass of citizens, and
    (3) Especially targeting the destruction of the 'petit bourgeois' middle class, the intrinsic fountain of resistance to communist dictatorship.

    'Fascism' supported petit bourgeois; 'communism' levels most plebs under a narrow elite.

    Historically, the figures who set up cultural Marxism - which we now experience as 'Wokism' - figures such as Lukacs and Gramsci and then the Frankfurt School and above all Herbert Marcuse, quite leading into the Wokism of today - saw that outside of poor countries such as 1917 Russia, the revolution was impossible in the West as long as petit bourgeois traditional family life was satisfying Western working classes.

    Therefore the goal of Leninists in the West, as defined by the significantly Jewish Cultural Marxists, was to destroy the family, and destroy all things sustaining traditional bourgeois life of the great middle class:
    - The 'racist' phrase began to be used, weaponising ethnic minorities
    - Migration was promoted, to destroy ethnic cohesion and create ethnic conflict
    - Gays and LGBT agenda was promoted, to demean conventional sexuality
    - Family-ruining divorce and feminism and sexual practices were fostered, including contraception, abortion, free love, easy divorce, some of which were concretely seen to create social chaos and anarchy in Moscow in the brief esperiment under Lenin after 1917, before Stalin restored the soft patriarchy
    - Those trying to hold on to traditional culture, across-the-board to be denounced as 'fascists' etc, 'beyond the pale', as in all the Woke stuff we see today

    In his Stalinist phase, Irish writer Gearóid Ó Colmáin, author of the striking 'Coercive Engineered Migration' series, dared to remind fellow leftists that Marx and Engels themselves denounced engineered ethnic migration as an oligarch tool of manipulation and destruction of working class people, and was anti-LGBT etc. But that's old Marxism, not the new 'cultural Marxism'.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon, @Bardon Kaldian, @Dube, @L. Guapo

    But – Wokism IS ‘Cultural Marxism’

    Thank you, Brabantian. I found this 30 minute video, posted elsewhere at UR, to be a very good investment of time, explaining “critical race theory.” It’s an edition of The Rubin Report, and the guest is the journalist who recently prompted Trump to ban CRT. Well explained, including its derivation from Marxist class-oppression economic theory, through the Frankfurt School, into its translation as race-oppression theory. For those who missed it; pertinent here.

  214. @Anon7
    @Harry Baldwin

    Thank you. I wonder if too many people today under sixty just never had a decent course in civics. That's where I learned that the President is not a king - he can't just decree that the wall shall be built, that Obamacare will be replaced, that chain migration will end, and so on.

    Especially with activist federal judges who can basically obstruct even those orders that are legal for six months or a year, until they get to the Supreme Court.

    Basically, we sent Donald Trump to Washington with no help - and most of the Republican establishment was just been waiting for him to leave, so they can go back to what they were doing before he arrived.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Basically, we sent Donald Trump to Washington with no help – and most of the Republican establishment was just been waiting for him to leave, so they can go back to what they were doing before he arrived.

    This is because Trump really is serious about trying to clean up DC.

    Actually doing so means drying up the Amazon River of domestic and foreign lobbyist money flowing into Dem AND Repub coffers.

    The few folks that have thrown a bit of support to Trump are the ones less addicted to that river of lobbyist cash.

  215. OT, kind of:

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  216. @Steve in Greensboro
    Red Francis just came out in favor of homosexual marriage. We've had "The Living Constitution" since the Warren Court. "The Living Constitution" does not mean what it actually says. It means what the Woke say it means. We are moving on to "The Living Bible", the next logical step.

    There can't be too many doctrinal changes necessary for the Roman Catholic Church to be converged with the Unitarians and Quakers. And won't this help with all the gay priests? And how long before Red Francis comes out in favor of eliminating age of consent laws?

    I suppose there is always the Russian Orthodox Church -- at least for now.

    Replies: @Anon

    If you are catholic, this was prophesied at Fátima. It’d be a good time to break out the Rosary. We are the Church.

    (But yes, disgusting)

  217. @Bill
    @Hugo Silva

    That's clearly right. The multicult is an ersatz religion---it's a belief system which fits imperfectly into the religion-shaped receptor in the human mind. However, the credo of the multicult is anti-white racism.

    Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @pirelli

    Woke Whites don’t hate themselves or Whites that agree 100% with them, just Whites that disagree with them. Liberals in general are dangerous because other than worshipping at the altar of their god Diversity-Inclusivity-Equity (DIE) they are utterly self-absorbed and amoral. In the name of their god, they will do anything. Anything. They hate the Deplorables guts and want us dead.

  218. @S. Anonyia
    @AnotherDad

    Young women are silly because they are socialized into excessive niceness and shielded from the problems of the world. Working class women aren’t protected, so they have a great deal more common sense even if lower IQ’s. Parents, teach your daughters to be a little hard-nosed and you’ll find society will gradually correct itself a little. You’ll find that girls who were raised as the surrogate “son” because their parents had no boys (like me) are almost always fairly conservative. Won’t resolve all of our problems though- those are more fundamental and come from spiritual vacuums.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    This plus, the origin of the university as indoctrination center is not leftist domination of staffing (which is real and important but survivable) but lack of real-world achievement leading to lack self confidence making kids nervous about being able to emulate their parents’ success. Make them carry a bucket for a couple of years before college and they will be smarter, healthier, and happier, and they will probably not turn red or tolerate fluff classes.

  219. @Harry Baldwin
    @peterike

    I couldn't agree more. It's hard to figure out what motivates the black-pillers on this site who delight in declaring that Trump has done absolutely nothing. They're either concern-trolls or perfectionists for whom half a loaf is no better than no bread at all. They may be disappointed that in one term, in which he has been defied and sabotaged every step of the way, Trump has failed to stop Leviathan dead in its tracks. I'm disappointed too, but there's no one waiting in the wings ready to do the job better than he has.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Bardon Kaldian, @anon, @Anon7, @William Badwhite

    Trump has failed to stop Leviathan dead in its tracks…but there’s no one waiting in the wings ready to do the job better than he has.

    I had hoped that by year four of Trump there would be a number of 2nd Acts with some potential, Trumpian views and willingness to ridicule the political class but a bit more disciplined. Alas, as far as I know there are none. I think the Repubs’ plan is to just go back to business as usual: more wars, more immigration, more globalization.

    But things aren’t going back to usual. Besides pulling the pants down on the GOP(e) types – clowns like Romney – the mainstream media has permanently beclowned themselves and given away all credibility. We’re in for interesting times (in the Chinese proverb way, not in the Hmm Interesting way).

  220. @utu
    @PhysicistDave

    "Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks." - Don't be naive. Those people knew very well on which side the bread was buttered and who was in charge of butter and they would never rock the boat to risk the access to the butter supply. They would never go against the "deep state".

    Trump lost because he could not articulate anything coherent and could not stay on the message because there really was no message. Initially it seemed that with people like Bannon and the generals in his cabinet he would be able to start some process of changes around the vague notion of economic nationalism. But they were all forced to leave. Either fired or left in disgust. They all realized that Trump's character is so flawed that it would be impossible to accomplish anything with him. Trump did not have any reserves. No human capital in the back up. For Trump his presidency is about him and nothing else. For people who still persevere around him their job is to minimize the damage and maintain the continuity of the government. Everybody is waiting for Trump to leave.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    Trump lost

    Aren’t you (utu) and your friends (ic1000, Mike_from_SGV & Guy De Champlagne) getting a bit ahead of yourselves, here?

    I mean, shouldn’t y’all wait until the election has actually taken place before you announce who’s won or lost?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @vinteuil

    Trump will win, but- what next?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @utu
    @vinteuil

    I did not mean the coming election. I meant he lost his presidency.

  221. @Bill
    @Hugo Silva

    That's clearly right. The multicult is an ersatz religion---it's a belief system which fits imperfectly into the religion-shaped receptor in the human mind. However, the credo of the multicult is anti-white racism.

    Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @pirelli

    It’s definitely a religious phenomenon, as many here and elsewhere have repeatedly and persuasively argued for years and years now, which makes it maddeningly difficult to engage productively with Woke-ists. I’m reminded of a 1940 letter from F. Scott Fitzgerald to his daughter offering her advice on how to interact with Marxists:

    I think it was you who misunderstood my meaning about the comrades. The important thing is this: they had best be treated, not as people holding a certain set of liberal or conservative opinions, but rather as you might treat a set of intensely fanatical Roman Catholics among whom you might find yourself. It is not that you should not disagree with them—the important thing is that you should not argue with them. The point is that Communism has become an intensely dogmatic and almost mystical religion, and whatever you say, they have ways of twisting it into shapes which put you in some lower category of mankind (“Fascist,” “Liberal,” “Trotskyist”), and disparage you both intellectually and personally in the process. They are amazingly well organized. The pith of my advice is: think what you want, the less said the better…

    You must have some politeness toward ideas. You can neither cut through, nor challenge nor beat the fact that there is an organized movement over the world before which you and I as individuals are less than the dust. Some time when you feel very brave and defiant and haven’t been invited to one particular college function, read the terrible chapter in Das Kapital on The Working Day, and see if you are ever quite the same.

  222. It’s like Jimmy Doyle in French Connection demanding Hershey Bars (yes I realise it was self-parody). Americans look out at the world and see only their own reflection, so they fight their own shadow – An epistemic loop – a dog chasing its own tail.

    You sure stirred up a hornet’s nest Steve, predictably.

    Look, I sympathise with Americans who just want to be left alone to do things their own way. Even more with those who have been in the military and been sent to fix foreign problems, only to feel used pointlessly.

    What you call ‘the left’ in the US are really neo-Calvinists or Scandinavian Pietists, all ‘total depravity’ and self-abnegation/judgemental busybodies of fellow citizens, with some links to northwest Europe where this mental disease began and took firm roots: spreading to the Puritans and the English Civil War, and it’s no coincidence that your own civil war was fueled by Puritans like John Brown, or that some call the 1960s Civil Rights era a Fourth Great Awakening (Protestants all, who cares about hair splitting?)

    But then when the US ‘right’ sees enemies around the world, you’re no better than your busybody clueless/know-all ‘left’. American problems are home-grown (and infecting the rest of us from your global negative influence sadly). Until you see that you won’t solve anything.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  223. @Sick of Orcs
    @David 'The Diversity Mastermind' Lammey

    Time to secede.

    Replies: @Kronos

    I LOVE your name!

    • Thanks: Sick of Orcs
  224. @vinteuil
    @utu


    Trump lost
     
    Aren't you (utu) and your friends (ic1000, Mike_from_SGV & Guy De Champlagne) getting a bit ahead of yourselves, here?

    I mean, shouldn't y'all wait until the election has actually taken place before you announce who's won or lost?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @utu

    Trump will win, but- what next?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Trump will win, but- what next?
     
    If he wins the BLM and antifa crowd will be delighted. They need him. They need him as a focus and they also need to be able to portray themselves as courageous rebels fighting an oppressive fascist regime. Their success in attracting converts depends on their being able to present themselves as an oppositional force fighting fascist tyranny - that's what makes them seem cool and heroic.

    How the hell are they going to be able to convince their target audience that Biden is a right-wing white-supremacist fascist dictator?

    That image as rebels fighting for truth and justice against a cruel oppressive regime is the oxygen they need to survive. They must be horrified by the thought that Biden might win. A Biden victory would be a major setback for the Cultural Revolution. A Trump victory on the other hand will provide them with endless opportunities.

    And as far as the more extreme elements are concerned a Trump victory will provide them with the revolutionary environment that they crave.
  225. @ChrisZ
    @Anonymous

    Funny to see the AP using the terms “regular citizens” and even “regular Americans.”

    Their appearance in a Trump ad (or even in casual conversation) would be a hate crime.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Almost Missouri

    Coopting normal language for radical usage is a common tactic.

    In the nomenclature of the left, transsexual radical feminist, atheist, Satanist, Marxist illegal alien furries are “regular Americans.”

  226. @David 'The Diversity Mastermind' Lammey
    Female suffrage - downstream consequences only now felt; Catlady staffed DeepState + politicians.

    Replies: @Sick of Orcs, @Cloudbuster

    Especially if they are named “Rosie.”

  227. @Thulean Friend
    Wokeness is a cynical tactic by those who understand that race/gender is a stronger identity marker than class. The right-wing is unable to compete because they have spent their entire lives dismissing class consciousness and economic justice. So they cannot make that argument.

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.

    The answer is unironically race-blind solidarity, of the kind that the left used to champion but is now being denounced as 'white privilege'. Even feminists can't seem to agree without attacking so-called 'white feminism'. I don't think we're fated to be at daggers drawn over matters of race. This is stoked deliberately from the top-down to avoid the yawning inequality of our times. Sadly, it seems the plebs are easily distracted.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @utu, @Reg Cæsar, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @John Johnson, @AndrewR, @Cloudbuster, @Eagle Eye

    The answer is unironically race-blind solidarity, of the kind that the left used to champion but is now being denounced as ‘white privilege’.

    No, that ship has sailed.

  228. @Reg Cæsar
    @John Johnson


    A left or workers party can be race-blind. It has happened in other countries.
     
    Name one.

    The key would be having economic policies that benefit all races in comparison to what is offered by establishment parties.
     
    There is no policy that will benefit all races equally. Any change will advantage one more than the others, and the others will complain.

    Do you think the first minimum wages applied only to women because legislators loved the ladies? No, it was to discourage their employment. Male unions pushed them; the League of Women Voters refused to support any minimum until it applied to both sexes equally.

    When minimums were applied to male labor, it was done with the express intention of keeping low-priced blacks out.

    So much for "race-blind". I'm surprised you and Thulean haven't been laughed off this forum. Even Tiny Duck doesn't fall for race blindness.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @John Johnson

    There is no policy that will benefit all races equally. Any change will advantage one more than the others, and the others will complain.

    Do you think the first minimum wages applied only to women because legislators loved the ladies? No, it was to discourage their employment. Male unions pushed them; the League of Women Voters refused to support any minimum until it applied to both sexes equally.

    You seem to have given an excellent example of something which was “race blind” when trying to prove that such was impossible…

    You might say that there is no such thing as undivisive government policies but then you fall into having to recognise that any set of conditions will have relative winners and losers or all characteristics.

    I feel that you went much too far with your point. Race has clearly often been a very big factor in America, but I’m not sure it was in Imperial Rome or somewhere. Perhaps mass visual media makes race as a key dividing line inevitable, but, were there no black Americans, only Hispanics, I doubt it would be that big of a deal. It isn’t in Mexico or Cuba, despite American cultural dominance. And in Mexico the disparity between those who lack totally European and those who look totally indigenous makes even me, who prefers to let people be, feel astinhsinglt uncomfortable.

  229. @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    These are the same white people who once conquered the world and who had no qualms about dragging people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free

    You mean going to African ports and trading trinkets and spice for enslaved Africans in a pre-existing slave market dominated by Arabs. But I know that doesn't have quite the same denigrating ring to it. The schools and media where they try to depict slavery as as Southern White invention since an honest view doesn't morally denigrate Whites to an acceptable level.

    The American experiment was founded on the premise that all men were created equal (while at the same time things in fact were far from equal) and in the long run those contradictions had to be resolved and the promise met.

    That wasn't a premise of racial equality. The contradiction only came later when egalitarians decided it was a racial statement and assumed they could keep Jefferson's opinions on race from public access. But even with the internet very few people know of Jefferson's opinions on race.

    However I agree without your overall assertion that blaming everything on the Jews is weak.

    The early abolitionists were not Jews and amusingly played the same magic mulatto game as today's egalitarians where they highlight the work of mulattoes while avoiding frank discussions on biological differences. Many of their appeals were also to Christian ethics which while understandable still leaves certain racial conflicts unsolved. If good intentions (either Christian or liberal) could fix this problem then this website wouldn't exist.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I didn’t say that white people went into the bush and captured slaves. You’re right that for the most part they purchased them in slave ports. What I said was that they dragged people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free. That part is absolutely true. And the fact that they didn’t personally capture the slaves does not take away their moral responsibility. If I am selling heroin to 12 year olds, the fact that I did not personally grow the poppies and that if I didn’t buy the heroin then the growers in Afghanistan would just sell it to someone else does not negate my responsibility at all.

    Jefferson himself (not a stupid man) understood the contradictions in his own words. Remember that 1619 was over 150 years before the founding of the Republic. The Founding Fathers had basically the same problem that we have today – you have all of these people here , we should never have started down this road but we did, a long time ago. Now what do you do with them? There was a sort of fantasy that we could send them back to where they came from (the 19th century version of “they all have to go back”) but it was unachievable as a practical matter, or at least it was never actually achieved.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke, dfordoom
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    I didn’t say that white people went into the bush and captured slaves. You’re right that for the most part they purchased them in slave ports. What I said was that they dragged people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free. That part is absolutely true. And the fact that they didn’t personally capture the slaves does not take away their moral responsibility.

    I didn't say that they have no moral responsibility.

    But the mainstream Wokester cult wants to place all responsibility on Whites.

    History is taught in the public schools with a central focus on White slave owners. It's part of the liberal strategy of constantly denigrating Whites on a moral level.

    Most people have no idea that the main slave traders were Arabs and they were far more brutal than Southern Whites.

    It's counter intuitive because they don't have a large population of ex-slaves in their countries. That is because they neutered them.

    Jefferson himself (not a stupid man) understood the contradictions in his own words. Remember that 1619 was over 150 years before the founding of the Republic.

    What exactly are you saying here? Jefferson was actually talking about race? Are you really going to take that position? That might work in a 5th grade class but not here. It's not ambiguous as some egalitarians want to believe. I'm just for an honest interpretation. Egalitarians are free to create their own racially inclusive declaration.

    That type of egalitarian stretching of history leads to stretching of other areas like the constitution.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @OilcanFloyd
    @Jack D


    I didn’t say that white people went into the bush and captured slaves. You’re right that for the most part they purchased them in slave ports. What I said was that they dragged people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free. That part is absolutely true. And the fact that they didn’t personally capture the slaves does not take away their moral responsibility.
     
    The funny thing about that comment is that it ignores the fact that many of those slaves were purchased with Jewish money and hauled off on Jewish-owned ships, to be sold by Jewish slave merchants. I live in a coastal town in the South, and I know that the Jewish community was knee deep in slavery, owning and trading. As a wealthy group of traders and merchants, I would bet that Jews owned blacks at a higher rate than non-Jews. My small farmer ancestors didn't own slaves.

    Jews were knee deep in Jim Crow, also. Who do you think owned all this god-awful segregated lunch counters, where a black man couldn't get a cup of coffee and a sandwich? Not people like my ancestors.

    Tell me again about moral responsibility!
    , @OilcanFloyd
    @Jack D


    I didn’t say that white people went into the bush and captured slaves. You’re right that for the most part they purchased them in slave ports. What I said was that they dragged people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free. That part is absolutely true. And the fact that they didn’t personally capture the slaves does not take away their moral responsibility.
     
    The funny thing about that comment is that it ignores the fact that many of those slaves were purchased with Jewish money and hauled off on Jewish-owned ships, to be sold by Jewish slave merchants. I live in a coastal town in the South, and I know that the Jewish community was knee deep in slavery, both owning and trading. As a wealthy group of traders and merchants, I would bet that Jews owned blacks at a higher rate than non-Jews. And the Jews in the colonies didn't just fall from heaven into slave-owning societies. In many cases, they brought their experience with them as key players in the Caribbean slave culture. My small farmer ancestors didn’t own slaves.

    Jews were knee deep in Jim Crow, also. Who do you think owned many of those god-awful segregated department store lunch counters where a black man couldn’t get a cup of coffee and a sandwich? Not people like my ancestors.

    Tell me again about moral responsibility

    Replies: @Jack D

  230. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Good comment/statement of your views Jack.


    You do your cause no favor to label minoritarianism as “Jewish minoritarianism”. First of all, just by labeling it as such, you alienate many people, not just Jews but many non-Jews who might otherwise be sympathetic to your views but are not willing to espouse what they would perceive as anti-Semitism. Just call it minoritarianism – it’s an ideology, it’s not a taint that’s in the blood. Anyone of any race can subscribe to an ideology.
     
    This is a very good point Jack. Post Holocaust, Jews have a protective blanket around themselves. Most white gentiles do not want to be associated with any criticism of Jews just because of the Nazi taint. White the exception of specifically criticizing the Israeli lobby--which many people see as ethnic lobbying on foreign policy and hence not really "in the blanket"--it's actually even now still easier to criticize blacks as a group behaviorally or politically. (Criticism immunity is quite an achievement, but then losing millions of people to get there.)

    My take is this is something of a catch-22 for nationalists like myself. There's the marketing side where "minoritarianism" is the correct term. (I was reading Chris Caldwell's latest and he apparently independently came up with my "minoritarianism" term as well. Good job Chris. He, of course says nothing about the Jews. Smart move Chris!)

    But if you are attempting any sort of honest intellectual history--explain to people how we got here--then it's impossible to do without explaining that it is a Jewish ideology. As a people with a long history as a middle-man minority living within large host gentile populations, Jews are majority hostile and wanted to move the ideology--and state power--to being pro-minority, anti-majority.

    ~~

    2nd, it’s not true. Not all minoritarians are Jews and not all Jews are minoritarians. If there were no Jews in America, minoritarianism would still exist.
     
    Here's where you are either confused, in denial or really stealing not just a base but three or four. I.e. this is the crux of our disagreement.

    Minoritarianism is a Jewish ideology and dominant in the US now because of Jews.

    Would the US have addressed/reformed the situation in the Jim Crow South if Jews were not in America? Yes. Modern broadcast media, modern capitalism, the Cold War all pushed in that direction. We would have put in place all sorts of "equality under the law" But that is not "minoritarianism".

    I've point this ought several times--and neither you nor anyone else has challenged it:

    WASP progressivism was never minoritarianism. If you want the one sentence version it was "everyone should shape up and behave like WASPs". Even the most aggressive WASP progressive campaigns, like abolition were not minoritarian. Abolition's driver was "slaver is evil". It was rooted in Christian universalism--Quakerism, evangelical Protestanism.

    Christian universalism is a real thing--actually the thing Jews rejected in favor of their tribalism--but it is not minoritarianism. Both may talk and propose policy around "fairness". But one is universal, and one is pro-minority, anti-majority. Christian universalism will drive toward (very pleasant) "one-peoplism"--where the US was headed in 1960 before the rise of the Jews. Jewish minoritarianism drives toward (very unpleasant) ethnic, racial, sexual balkanization and contention--where we are today.


    All those Antifas with Germanic names who keep getting arrested are minoritarians but they ain’t Jewish minoritarians.

     

    You've mentioned this several times as if it's deeply telling. It's not. (It only rises to the level of perhaps interesting--in HBD sense--if there's some sort of white ethnic variation--Germans over Irish or English? No idea.)

    Minoritarianism is the ideology of the American state in this age. These creeps in the streets took it with their mother's milk. They were indoctrinated with it in school and university. Hollyweird has relentless pushed it. Soros funds it. If this was 700 years ago, these loons might be on pilgrimage. 800 or 900 years ago maybe go on a crusade. Minoritarianism rather than Christianity is the reigning ideology today ... so they are doing this.

    You can find white gentile women deeply invested in the "diversity" racket--like the white fragility gal. (Reasons for this problem were the point of my comment.) That doesn't mean gentile women created minoritarianism anymore than seeing nuns in a convent meant they created Christianity.

    All of this summer’s insanity was about BLACK lives matter. Not about Jews or immigrants or minorities in general. Bringing black people here as slaves (and then not sending them back to Africa when slavery was over) was America’s original sin.
     
    That 1619 was deeply stupid is without a doubt. And yes my ancestors were responsible not "the Jews". (I can't say any of mine were directly involved--i've got some generic Anglos, some Quakers, a snip of Scots-Irish--but they were around, probably not here in 1619, but later.)

    Without the Jews would we be having this summer's riots. No. Blacks might be having a riot over some police incident. That happens--see 1992 in LA.

    But we absolutely positively would not be having this gianormous minoritarian hissy fit--the protests, the virtue signalling yard signs, the "defund the police" and general willingness of Democrat politicians to give up on rule-of-law without Jews and minoritarianism.

    The core concept--the sacralizing of blacks as a sainted minority oppressed by tyrannical "structurally racist" whitey ... who really should not have to get arrested--that all flows specifically from minoritarianism. Christian--one-law-for-everyone--universalism simply does not get your there.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Jack D

    As a people with a long history as a middle-man minority living within large host gentile populations, Jews are majority hostile and wanted to move the ideology–and state power–to being pro-minority, anti-majority.

    As a middle-man minority, I also want unlimited ice cream for breakfast and hot and cold running shiksas, but as a famous goyish philosopher once said, “you can’t always get what you want”. Jews were never more than 5% of the US population. Did they use their Jew tricknology to brainwash the other 95%? Why did this never work before or anywhere else except for post WWII America? My parents in Poland (where Jews were over 10% of the population) would have jumped for joy if the state ideology had been merely neutral toward the Jews let alone pro-minority but when they tried their Jewhypnosis on the locals, it never seemed to work.

    • Troll: neutral
    • Replies: @Matt Buckalew
    @Jack D

    Because they were Villanova Jews avant la lettre.

    , @HammerJack
    @Jack D


    Did they use their Jew tricknology to brainwash the other 95%? Why did this never work before or anywhere else except for post WWII America?
     
    What you call "Jew tricknology" the rest of us recognize as "control of the mass media."

    And while the USA is clearly your crowning achievement in this regard, pre-WW2 Germany came close. But some Germans dared to object and the rest, as they say, is history.

    It's been going swimmingly in the UK for decades now, BTW. You should be proud.

    , @Peterike
    @Jack D

    “ Did they use their Jew tricknology to brainwash the other 95%? Why did this never work before or anywhere else except for post WWII America?“

    You might want to read up on Weimar Germany. The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. The Spanish Civil War. Maybe some about Béla Kun. I’m sure others can furnish additional examples.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    Jews were never more than 5% of the US population. Did they use their Jew tricknology to brainwash the other 95%?
     
    Money helps. Controlling a lot of the media helps. Vast "over-represenatation" in the legal and financial sectors help. But I'm sure that's just a "canard". And it's not as if they have been uninfluential in other countries. Poland? Maybe not. But Britain? France?

    But - whatever - when the Supreme Court almost goes from 33% to 44% representation by one group that constitutes only about 2% of the population - we're all just hallucinating it. Nothing to see here.

    Nobody much is buying that line anymore.

    , @Ian Smith
    @Jack D

    Anglo-Protestantism is Jew-friendly in a way that Catholicism and Orthodoxy aren’t.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Jews were never more than 5% of the US population. Did they use their Jew tricknology to brainwash the other 95%? Why did this never work before or anywhere else except for post WWII America?
     
    Jack this is deeply stupid--a bit of tedious Jewish lawyering that demonstrates the character traits that have made Jews so beloved down through the centuries.

    You are a guy who is always spinning the wonderous Jews yarn. America a sleepy backwater until the Jews showed up. Nobel prize winners! We hay seeds would all have polio without Salk. We're so darn lucky you showed up and should thank our lucky stars... yada, yada, yada.

    But while significantly enhanced, Jewish technical/scientific over-representation is comparatively modest compared to Jews overall academic, political, media over-representation. Not to even mention Jewish created and dominated Hollyweird. (Jews are smarter than gentiles in everything but spatial/mechanical, but verbal--the necessary skill for spinning fables--is their strongpoint.)

    Without Jews this or that technical discovery might have been five or ten years delayed. But there are whole schools of thought--most of them utter disasters--that simply would not even exist without Jews. (Marx, Freud, Boas, Frankfurt School, etc.) Whole destructions of scientific rigor in say Anthropology or the IQ debate, the nature/nurture debate that have been driven by Jews.


    If you want to challenge my thesis that American Jews are largely responsible for minoritarianism, and pushing minoritarianism to become the state ideology ... have at it. (The road to challenging it would probably be to argue that American's weird dissenting Protestants--the Unitarians, the Quakers--would have evolved minoritarianism and somehow pushed it to dominance on their own.)

    But if you're going to blather out of one side of your mouth "we Jews are great, super-smart, you're lucky to have our Nobel Prize winners" and out of the other side of your mouth "how could we poor little Jews at only a few pitiful percent of the population, manage to sell minoritarianism" ... then consider changing your moniker to the more apropos JackA--.

    Replies: @Jack D

  231. It wouldn’t hurt most of the commenters to read something, from time to time….

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  232. Curious how much you feel is nature and how much is nurture. Given twin studies I tend to think 80% nature, but would be interested to know your thoughts. Have you written about this previously?

  233. @vinteuil
    @utu


    Trump lost
     
    Aren't you (utu) and your friends (ic1000, Mike_from_SGV & Guy De Champlagne) getting a bit ahead of yourselves, here?

    I mean, shouldn't y'all wait until the election has actually taken place before you announce who's won or lost?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @utu

    I did not mean the coming election. I meant he lost his presidency.

  234. @TWS
    @Brás Cubas

    No. Do you let a pitbull run off leash because it can tear the tire off a suburban?

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    Of course violent behavior shouldn’t be tolerated, that goes without saying. But we’re talking here of failing to deliver home work, or “disrupting” classes. Well, the purpose of schools is to raise functional adults. If you keep children on a leash, I wonder what kind of functionality they will acquire. And as for the “superior” students, I don’t see how a slackening on discipline will affect their apprenticeship all that much. After all, facing challenges successfully is what superiority is about, isn’t it?

  235. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    As a people with a long history as a middle-man minority living within large host gentile populations, Jews are majority hostile and wanted to move the ideology–and state power–to being pro-minority, anti-majority.
     
    As a middle-man minority, I also want unlimited ice cream for breakfast and hot and cold running shiksas, but as a famous goyish philosopher once said, "you can't always get what you want". Jews were never more than 5% of the US population. Did they use their Jew tricknology to brainwash the other 95%? Why did this never work before or anywhere else except for post WWII America? My parents in Poland (where Jews were over 10% of the population) would have jumped for joy if the state ideology had been merely neutral toward the Jews let alone pro-minority but when they tried their Jewhypnosis on the locals, it never seemed to work.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew, @HammerJack, @Peterike, @Mr. Anon, @Ian Smith, @AnotherDad

    Because they were Villanova Jews avant la lettre.

  236. I wonder if BLM and Antifa are still in the area. This is right down the lakefront from Kenosha: https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20201021/waukegan-police-say-they-shot-man-dead-injured-another

  237. @Bardon Kaldian
    @brabantian

    You're only half-right. True, this is News Left, having most in common with Marcuse (but not the Frankfurt school of Adorno, Fromm, Wittfogel, Horkheimer, later Habermas, Benjamin,...). Basically, Marcuse was an obscurantist who enjoyed a brief time of glory during the 60's with his hatred towards rationality, science, misinterpretation of Freud, contempt for native working class & glorification of racial minorities' underclass, ...

    But it is far-fetched to think that his public excursus during 1968 has somehow remade the life so that US in 2020 is a continuation of Marcuse's idiocies. "Wokeness" is a phenomenon restricted to the US & parts of Anglosphere, with pockets elsewhere- but just pockets.

    Simply, it is an American idolization of blacks in sports & music, and perpetual portrayal of them in past 50 years as immaculate victims, hiding their violence & crimes, teaching fake history (black studies), disfiguring history & national-cultural identities... Also, US whites, and especially Anglo-Teutonic segment, seem to lack ethnic pride, elements of tribal mentality & real national pride. You won't find "wokeness" among whites in Brazil or in Colombia. American "nationalism" has, in past 50-60 years, become a weird combo of greed, worship of material success, rootless cosmopolitanism, negro worship, ... No wonder various newly arrived Asians & Hispanics won't have anything with it.

    As for Lenin etc.- you got most of it wrong. The central feature of Lenin's world-view is, apart from revenge to the old regime, Westernization of what he saw as barbaric Russia, and he was obsessed with extending revolution to the central Europe, especially Germany. "Racially"- if you wish that term- Leninism was about Europeanization of Asian Muslims, essentially crushing their Islamic religion & most of their historical civilization (with the exception of creative persons like Avicenna/Ibn Sina).

    Had Lenin succeeded fully, we don't now what would have been, but the willed outcome would be national emancipation from Berlin to Vladivostok, with whites expanding their rule over various Asians, simultaneously "liberating" Asian Muslims from most of their historical culture- all in a totalitarian structure.

    Most people here simply don't understand that Russian, Jewish, Polish, German, Lithuanian, Georgian, ... Communist rule would mean, both in practice & theory, the affirmation of dominance of Western, European culture & identity over non-European.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D

    As for Lenin etc.- you got most of it wrong. The central feature of Lenin’s world-view is, apart from revenge to the old regime, Westernization of what he saw as barbaric Russia

    How would he be for Westernizing Russia when he was anti-Christian, anti-democracy, anti-free speech, and anti-capitalist? What would be left exactly?

    I don’t see anything more barbaric then sending people off to camps for holding the wrong opinions and that is exactly what he did.

    Had Lenin succeeded fully, we don’t now what would have been, but the willed outcome would be national emancipation from Berlin to Vladivostok, with whites expanding their rule over various Asians, simultaneously “liberating” Asian Muslims from most of their historical culture- all in a totalitarian structure.

    What a load of crap. In reality he gave Islam a free pass while going after the Orthodox church. Can’t offend the Central Asians but Whites were expected to adopt atheism and serve the state. It’s exactly the same with leftists today. Oh we can’t criticize the sand religion and need to respect their ridiculous demands (ie rebuilding bathrooms in government buildings so toilets do not face mecca) but Christianity needs to be destroyed cause Whites.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @John Johnson

    Read something & then comment.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1370196



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  238. @wren
    My opinion is that wokeness is the drill sergeants that have to break the new recruits.

    https://youtu.be/-ZYlXEUo-Lo

    And after our society is completely demoralized and broken, it can be built back better.

    https://youtu.be/4FD5bZ2Qqq0

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    My opinion is that wokeness is the drill sergeants that have to break the new recruits.

    Yes. That’s why it starts in kindergarten. It’s a power move. And just like basic training, wokenss and white privilege exercises are meant to humiliate and dominate the helpless before they can fight back.

    There’s always been a weird mentality that loved to see the young “broken” and made to submit to authority. Whether it’s sadistic drill sergeants or liberal White Ladies attacking White males in class.

  239. @Reg Cæsar
    @John Johnson


    A left or workers party can be race-blind. It has happened in other countries.
     
    Name one.

    The key would be having economic policies that benefit all races in comparison to what is offered by establishment parties.
     
    There is no policy that will benefit all races equally. Any change will advantage one more than the others, and the others will complain.

    Do you think the first minimum wages applied only to women because legislators loved the ladies? No, it was to discourage their employment. Male unions pushed them; the League of Women Voters refused to support any minimum until it applied to both sexes equally.

    When minimums were applied to male labor, it was done with the express intention of keeping low-priced blacks out.

    So much for "race-blind". I'm surprised you and Thulean haven't been laughed off this forum. Even Tiny Duck doesn't fall for race blindness.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @John Johnson

    Name one. (a race blind workers party).

    Could name dozens.

    People’s Justice Party Malaysia. Explicitly economic in a multi-racial country.

    There is no policy that will benefit all races equally. Any change will advantage one more than the others, and the others will complain.

    What I said was that their policies would have to be more beneficial to all races compared to what is offered by mainstream parties.

    I did not say that all races would find every policy to be equally beneficial. It’s impossible in politics to please all groups at all times. But that doesn’t mean that you have to serve one group exclusively.

    You should really spend some time reading about countries outside the US. We are not the only multi-racial country.

    Race-blind parties have existed for decades in multi-racial countries and you are laughing at the idea as if it is my own personal theory. I think the joke is on you.

  240. @Jack D
    @John Johnson

    I didn't say that white people went into the bush and captured slaves. You're right that for the most part they purchased them in slave ports. What I said was that they dragged people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free. That part is absolutely true. And the fact that they didn't personally capture the slaves does not take away their moral responsibility. If I am selling heroin to 12 year olds, the fact that I did not personally grow the poppies and that if I didn't buy the heroin then the growers in Afghanistan would just sell it to someone else does not negate my responsibility at all.

    Jefferson himself (not a stupid man) understood the contradictions in his own words. Remember that 1619 was over 150 years before the founding of the Republic. The Founding Fathers had basically the same problem that we have today - you have all of these people here , we should never have started down this road but we did, a long time ago. Now what do you do with them? There was a sort of fantasy that we could send them back to where they came from (the 19th century version of "they all have to go back") but it was unachievable as a practical matter, or at least it was never actually achieved.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @OilcanFloyd, @OilcanFloyd

    I didn’t say that white people went into the bush and captured slaves. You’re right that for the most part they purchased them in slave ports. What I said was that they dragged people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free. That part is absolutely true. And the fact that they didn’t personally capture the slaves does not take away their moral responsibility.

    I didn’t say that they have no moral responsibility.

    But the mainstream Wokester cult wants to place all responsibility on Whites.

    History is taught in the public schools with a central focus on White slave owners. It’s part of the liberal strategy of constantly denigrating Whites on a moral level.

    Most people have no idea that the main slave traders were Arabs and they were far more brutal than Southern Whites.

    It’s counter intuitive because they don’t have a large population of ex-slaves in their countries. That is because they neutered them.

    Jefferson himself (not a stupid man) understood the contradictions in his own words. Remember that 1619 was over 150 years before the founding of the Republic.

    What exactly are you saying here? Jefferson was actually talking about race? Are you really going to take that position? That might work in a 5th grade class but not here. It’s not ambiguous as some egalitarians want to believe. I’m just for an honest interpretation. Egalitarians are free to create their own racially inclusive declaration.

    That type of egalitarian stretching of history leads to stretching of other areas like the constitution.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @John Johnson


    I didn’t say that they have no moral responsibility.

    But the mainstream Wokester cult wants to place all responsibility on Whites.
     
    Sure. And people around these parts want none of the responsibility for slavery to be placed on whites. Both positions are equally self-serving and absurd.

    Why not admit that whites really did behave very very badly in relation to slavery and that slavery really was a terrible evil? But then emphasise that whites eventually recognised that they were wrong on that issue and then took steps to eliminate the evil of slavery. And emphasise that whites recognised that they had behaved very badly in general towards non-whites but eventually realised that they had been morally wrong to do so and took steps to correct their own bad behaviour.

    You can oppose Wokeism without shooting yourself in the foot by doing really dumb things like defending the Confederacy.

    Being paralysed with guilt about past mistakes is futile and pathetic, but simply admitting past mistakes is not a sign of weakness.
  241. @Dave Pinsen
    It’s been winning because we’ve let it, but the Chris Rufo/Tucker/Trump combo shows it’s not impossible to turn the tide. If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector. With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.

    Replies: @jon, @Bill, @SunBakedSuburb, @No0biE, @Anonymous

    Seems like a naive projection to me. Not sure how long it’s been since you’ve worked in corporate america, but F500 ceos and their HR departments are 110% behind the accelerating woke train. There will be no competitive advantage to breaking rank because the monopolistic gatekeepers (deep state, big finance, big tech, China) to industry will shun every business that does not sing the tune. Corporate america does not resemble the competitive capitalist environment that you learn about in econ 101 any more. As long as the gatekeepers are not broken up or regulated, and they continue pushing wokeness, it will continue…prossibly emboldened even further with a Trump win. Trump can’t even bring his own FBI to heel, there isnt shit he will be able to do to corporate america.

    Only mass protests and boycotts will stop wokeness at this point, and there is very little appetite on the right for action due to media smears and weak republican leadership.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  242. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    As a people with a long history as a middle-man minority living within large host gentile populations, Jews are majority hostile and wanted to move the ideology–and state power–to being pro-minority, anti-majority.
     
    As a middle-man minority, I also want unlimited ice cream for breakfast and hot and cold running shiksas, but as a famous goyish philosopher once said, "you can't always get what you want". Jews were never more than 5% of the US population. Did they use their Jew tricknology to brainwash the other 95%? Why did this never work before or anywhere else except for post WWII America? My parents in Poland (where Jews were over 10% of the population) would have jumped for joy if the state ideology had been merely neutral toward the Jews let alone pro-minority but when they tried their Jewhypnosis on the locals, it never seemed to work.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew, @HammerJack, @Peterike, @Mr. Anon, @Ian Smith, @AnotherDad

    Did they use their Jew tricknology to brainwash the other 95%? Why did this never work before or anywhere else except for post WWII America?

    What you call “Jew tricknology” the rest of us recognize as “control of the mass media.”

    And while the USA is clearly your crowning achievement in this regard, pre-WW2 Germany came close. But some Germans dared to object and the rest, as they say, is history.

    It’s been going swimmingly in the UK for decades now, BTW. You should be proud.

  243. Alternative view of the political correctness as a battleground between old and new media, which might as well be Boomers vs everyone else.

    Economic Warfare? PewDiePie vs. WSJ #YouTube

  244. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @SFG


    Cutpoint for wokeness seems to be a birth year of about 1980
     
    I know several white women and a few white men born in the late 70s that grew up on Main Street USA who are down with BLM and the rest of the Woke lunacy.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Curle

    Yes. I know woke white women who were born in the 70s 60s and even earlier.

    Needless to say, they watch a lot of TV.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @HammerJack


    Yes. I know woke white women who were born in the 70s 60s and even earlier.

     

    The same here. Although I'm from an obscure small town on the bleak Iowa prairies, from a county that votes 80%+ Republican, I still have a substantial number of FB friends from my school cohort who fit this description. They're women in their early 50s who are utterly devoted to wokeness.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  245. @Bardon Kaldian
    @brabantian

    You're only half-right. True, this is News Left, having most in common with Marcuse (but not the Frankfurt school of Adorno, Fromm, Wittfogel, Horkheimer, later Habermas, Benjamin,...). Basically, Marcuse was an obscurantist who enjoyed a brief time of glory during the 60's with his hatred towards rationality, science, misinterpretation of Freud, contempt for native working class & glorification of racial minorities' underclass, ...

    But it is far-fetched to think that his public excursus during 1968 has somehow remade the life so that US in 2020 is a continuation of Marcuse's idiocies. "Wokeness" is a phenomenon restricted to the US & parts of Anglosphere, with pockets elsewhere- but just pockets.

    Simply, it is an American idolization of blacks in sports & music, and perpetual portrayal of them in past 50 years as immaculate victims, hiding their violence & crimes, teaching fake history (black studies), disfiguring history & national-cultural identities... Also, US whites, and especially Anglo-Teutonic segment, seem to lack ethnic pride, elements of tribal mentality & real national pride. You won't find "wokeness" among whites in Brazil or in Colombia. American "nationalism" has, in past 50-60 years, become a weird combo of greed, worship of material success, rootless cosmopolitanism, negro worship, ... No wonder various newly arrived Asians & Hispanics won't have anything with it.

    As for Lenin etc.- you got most of it wrong. The central feature of Lenin's world-view is, apart from revenge to the old regime, Westernization of what he saw as barbaric Russia, and he was obsessed with extending revolution to the central Europe, especially Germany. "Racially"- if you wish that term- Leninism was about Europeanization of Asian Muslims, essentially crushing their Islamic religion & most of their historical civilization (with the exception of creative persons like Avicenna/Ibn Sina).

    Had Lenin succeeded fully, we don't now what would have been, but the willed outcome would be national emancipation from Berlin to Vladivostok, with whites expanding their rule over various Asians, simultaneously "liberating" Asian Muslims from most of their historical culture- all in a totalitarian structure.

    Most people here simply don't understand that Russian, Jewish, Polish, German, Lithuanian, Georgian, ... Communist rule would mean, both in practice & theory, the affirmation of dominance of Western, European culture & identity over non-European.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D

    Most people here simply don’t understand that Russian, Jewish, Polish, German, Lithuanian, Georgian, … Communist rule would mean, both in practice & theory, the affirmation of dominance of Western, European culture & identity over non-European.

    Although the USSR was a vast empire (“the prisonhouse of nations”) this was not fundamentally what the Communist project was all about – that part was more or less indistinguishable from traditional Russian imperialism (and we see that post-Communist Russia is no different either, except insofar as their power is reduced and they don’t have an empire as big as they would like it to be, but they are working on it). Nor did it have any lasting impact on the ‘stans. 70 years inside the Soviet Union were but a moment and the minute the USSR fell apart all the ‘stans reverted to being the traditional Islamic societies they always were, complete with Oriental forms of despotism (the USSR was also despotic but it was different kind of despotism) despite 70 years of dedicated and sometimes brutal Soviet efforts to stamp out religion and culture. It all just sank beneath the waves without a ripple.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Jack D


    Although the USSR was a vast empire (“the prisonhouse of nations”) this was not fundamentally what the Communist project was all about – that part was more or less indistinguishable from traditional Russian imperialism (and we see that post-Communist Russia is no different either, except insofar as their power is reduced and they don’t have an empire as big as they would like it to be, but they are working on it).
     
    I'm not sure about that, at least that's not the case in the early years after the revolution when minority groups were promoted under a form of Affirmative Action. Ethnic nationalism at the expense of Russians was promoted. I think it was Stalin who started to see the light on this, even though he was a Georgian himself.

    Replies: @IHTG

    , @OilcanFloyd
    @Jack D


    Although the USSR was a vast empire (“the prisonhouse of nations”) this was not fundamentally what the Communist project was all about – that part was more or less indistinguishable from traditional Russian imperialism...
     
    I’m not sure about that. At least that’s not the case in the early years after the revolution when minority groups were promoted under a form of Affirmative Action. Ethnic nationalism at the expense of Russians was promoted. I think it was Stalin who started to see the light on this, even though he was a Georgian himself.
    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    all the ‘stans reverted to being the traditional Islamic societies they always were, complete with Oriental forms of despotism (the USSR was also despotic but it was different kind of despotism) despite 70 years of dedicated and sometimes brutal Soviet efforts to stamp out religion and culture. It all just sank beneath the waves without a ripple.

    None of them are 'traditional Islamic societies'. One of them is run by a veteran of the Soviet nomenklatura. One of them is run by son of the previous ruler (who was out of the Soviet nomenklatura). Three are run by proteges of the previous boss (and the previous boss in each case was out of the Soviet nomenklatura. One is a constitutional state, more or less. At least one of the six has an aggressively secular government which has been called out by Freedom House for abusing the religious and none of them has an Islamist government. (In the one with competitive elections, Islamist parties are unimportant). If you bracket out the oil and mineral exports, real income flows per capita suggest an early 20th century standard of living in four of the six. (The other two are dirt poor. One of the dirt poor is the constitutional state). Basic literacy is universal in all six countries. Life expectancy at birth is north of 70 for 5 of the 6 and 68 for the other one.

    The two most interesting data about them would be (1) the mass exodus of ethnic Russians after 1989 and (2) their high fertility rates.

  246. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Thulean Friend

    The answer is unironically race-blind solidarity ...

    What in history suggests that this is the answer? You are as stuck in the 1960s as those you criticize.

    Perhaps the answer is the one that worked best throughout history: Separation by tribe so that different ethnic/racial groups can live under laws and cultures suited to their biology.

    When the United States was ~90% White and lived by laws and a culture designed for Whites (and imposed on non-Whites), we were effectively following that path even as we pretended to be color-blind.

    We were never a color-blind society, no society ever is. Time to put away childish things.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Perhaps the answer is the one that worked best throughout history…”

    MAY have worked best, for some people. For others, not particularly.

    “Separation by tribe so that different ethnic/racial groups can live under laws and cultures suited to their biology.”

    Except we are not a “tribe”.

    Remember, religion trumps one’s skin suit.

    Further recall that WASPs and nativists insisted that certain whites–Southern and Eastern Europeans–were not “biologically fit” to live among “Heritage Americans”. Yet, the offspring of those same descendants deemed “inferior” now claim, through magic dirt, that they are “biologically fit” compared to other peoples who dare enter the “nation they helped to create”.

    “When the United States was ~90% White and lived by laws and a culture designed for Whites (and imposed on non-Whites)”

    Actually, the laws and the culture of our nation was originally established by certain Europeans, and with additions by other groups of people, as enabled by our Founding Fathers by way of posterity.

    It’s who we are.

  247. @Hugo Silva
    The problem with classifying Wokeness as anti-white racism is that the most enthusiastically woke people are Whites. You need to explain why so many Whites hate their own race. In my opinion this a religious phenomenon, Christianity for people who don't believe in God, with the Blacks as sacred martyrs and the Whites showing their piety by uplifting the sacred martyrs.

    Replies: @Bill, @Bardon Kaldian, @Tex, @AndrewR, @Corvinus, @dfordoom

    “You need to explain why so many Whites hate their own race”.

    Except we don’t hate ourselves nor members of our own race. Do not we as white people have agency to make our own decisions, even if those choices whom you personally disagree with?

    OR, must all or most white people succumb to your demands? Would that not be kow-towing to your elitism? Would we not be subject to your own brand of indoctrination?

  248. @Anonymous
    One day, someday, white men must finally realise that the informing current of the ideology being promulgated by The Economist magazine, which is *the* lodestone of the entire western political class is nothing more and nothing less than the *merciless and unremitting extirpation and destruction of the white race*.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    And it will come as no surprise that the closely held company that publishes The Economist is owned by the Rothschilds and Agnellis

    https://www.politico.eu/article/agnellis-rothschilds-close-in-on-economist-magazine-sale-pearson/

    So, good populist credentials there.

  249. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    It’s been winning because we’ve let it, but the Chris Rufo/Tucker/Trump combo shows it’s not impossible to turn the tide. If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector. With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.

    Replies: @jon, @Bill, @SunBakedSuburb, @No0biE, @Anonymous

    It’s been winning because we’ve let it, but the Chris Rufo/Tucker/Trump combo shows it’s not impossible to turn the tide. If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive

    A TV show is not any kind of offensive. At best, it can inspire the troops to launch an actual offensive.

    to continue and spread to the private sector. With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example

    Look what happened to Darren Beattie. Why on earth would you believe Trump would stick his neck out for his supporters?

    This article of Steve’s is really not his best work. He doesn’t answer his own question? WHY are the “Realists” unable to defeat the “Left Moralists?” It’s because of people like Dave Pinsen, who doesn’t even know what it looks like to fight and win. He is the reason America is not great.

  250. @Ron Unz
    Actually, I might as well raise an issue...

    As most of the commenters here know, I've been publishing articles in my American Pravda series for some time now, and over the last couple of years have gotten into lots of ultra-touchy subjects that I suspect many readers initially viewed with extreme skepticism, saying to themselves "How could these things possibly be true and yet covered up by the MSM for so many years and decades?"

    Well, given the absolutely unbelievable things that the MSM is currently attempting to cover up, despite the fact that they're happening right before our very eyes and ears, I'd guess that such skepticism may have gradually faded away, especially in the last few months or even the last few days.

    Anyway, for those newcomers not already familiar with my series, here's the link:

    https://www.unz.com/page/american-pravda-series/

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Corvinus

    “Well, given the absolutely unbelievable things that the MSM is currently attempting to cover up, despite the fact that they’re happening right before our very eyes and ears…”

    LOL. Here is the Alt Right and Radical Left parlor trick exposed:
    1) Rely on blogs and anonymous authors with limited explanation for why they are reliable;
    2) Who offer an opinion based on confirmation bias cloaked as “evidence”;
    3) Who then popularize that their own simulation of reality;
    4) Then baldly claim any counter narrative from the MSM is automatically false.

    EXCEPT, when having already completely dismissed the MSM’s stories, they suddenly pay attention to it when it suits their purpose. On top of it all, when the MSM makes an error in reporting–when the Alt Right has already refused to accept its legitimacy–and does not issue a correction, the Alt Right attacks its integrity. And when the MSM does fix the mistake…the Alt Right or Radical Left attacks its integrity.

    Furthermore, Mr. Unz, you can’t have your cake and eat it, too. On one hand, you tacitly encourage readers to peddle this “Fake News” mantra. On the other hand, you latch on to MSM stories that seemingly support your conclusions. You once inferred that we ought to trust ABC News, which cited four separate intelligence sources that a government report *existed* that Covid-19 is a bioweapon. Of course that report “exists”. Whether or not that report constitutes a “smoking gun” in an entirely different matter. But I thought that ANYTHING that comes from U.S. intelligence ought not to be trusted. Because Deep State. So it would appear that those stories which supports your predisposed narrative, you take stock in, and for other stories that go against your truth grain, your vigorously question their veracity, at best, or totally discards, at worst.

    Ultimately, a fine number of readers here believe the source you used is part of FAKE NEWS. I would like to know how you Mr. Unz would respond to their repeated accusation that ALL of the mainstream media reporting are lies.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Corvinus


    LOL. Here is the Alt Right and Radical Left parlor trick exposed:
    1) Rely on blogs and anonymous authors with limited explanation for why they are reliable;
    2) Who offer an opinion based on confirmation bias cloaked as “evidence”;
     
    Well, I'll admit I haven't been paying a great deal of attention to the election campaign. But offhand it does look like the Biden laptop bombshell is probably genuine, and the notion of Twitter (and Facebook?) banning America's oldest newspaper for breaking the story seems utterly unprecedented. As a couple of people have pointed out, this MSM situation would be almost impossible even in most Third World countries.

    Furthermore, Mr. Unz, you can’t have your cake and eat it, too. On one hand, you tacitly encourage readers to peddle this “Fake News” mantra. On the other hand, you latch on to MSM stories that seemingly support your conclusions.
     
    Nope. I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions. Neither the ABC News people nor their four Intelligence sources ever remotely recognized the massive implications of the story they were revealing. If they had, it obviously never would have aired...

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus

    It's called thinking for youself, you nitwit. Obviously not a strong suit of yours. You judge what you read, based on a variety of factors. And there is no reason to assume that people who are paid a lot of money to be propagandists, whether they are at CNN, FOX, WaPo, or whatever, are necessarily telling you the truth just because they call themselves "journalists".

    Why do you think mainstream "news" outlets are ignoring or even supressing the Hunter/Joe Biden story? Is it because it is intrinsically not newsworthy?

    You are a credulous fool.

  251. @Brás Cubas

    On average, what blacks need is not indulgence of their bad habits, but discipline administered as a matter of course.
     
    Isn't this contradictory with HBD? Isn't one of HBD's assumptions that blacks (and as a matter of fact everybody else as well) are what they are, and it is futile to change them? So, isn't it actually *closer* to HBD's principles to do exactly that, i.e., slacken on discipline?

    Replies: @TWS, @NoWeltschmerz

    It doesn’t. What we know about genetics seems to point in the direction of a large percentage (50% – 80%) of observable characteristics being genetic in nature and not amenable to change given the current state of our knowledge and technology. We believe most of whatever remains are non-shared factors (factors outside of the home and parenting environment). There may be a small percentage attributable to parenting but it doesn’t generally appear to be significant statistically (this assumes the child isn’t being tortured or abused in some way) based on studies of identical twins.

    The 20% – 50% may make a difference. Peer groups and societal norms and folkways may ameliorate some of the issues we are seeing. Some evidence suggests public service campaigns against drunk driving and the resulting hardening of attitudes with respect to the offense have played a bigger role in reducing drunk driving than laws and sobriety checkpoints. In the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting, a militant Islamist killed almost 50 people in a gay nightclub. He killed gay people because he believed his religion commanded him to do so, but he exempted gay blacks because they “suffered enough.” If PR, a consistent message and a media campaign trumpeting the oppression of American blacks can work on a committed jihadist, it may even work on others.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @NoWeltschmerz

    You say there is a percentage of "observable characteristics" which are "genetic in nature". Well, if the working hypothesis here is that races have different patterns of behavior, and that biology is the root cause for those differences, it seems to me that hypothesis assumes those patterns of behavior are amongst those "observable characteristics" which are "genetic in nature".

    Of course I'm not saying that discipline *can't* be enforced effectively. You can change behavior by disciplinary action. You can even turn schools into concentration camps, if that is what you want. Is that what we are discussing?

    Replies: @anon, @NoWeltschmerz

  252. Eagle Eye says:
    @Thulean Friend
    Wokeness is a cynical tactic by those who understand that race/gender is a stronger identity marker than class. The right-wing is unable to compete because they have spent their entire lives dismissing class consciousness and economic justice. So they cannot make that argument.

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.

    The answer is unironically race-blind solidarity, of the kind that the left used to champion but is now being denounced as 'white privilege'. Even feminists can't seem to agree without attacking so-called 'white feminism'. I don't think we're fated to be at daggers drawn over matters of race. This is stoked deliberately from the top-down to avoid the yawning inequality of our times. Sadly, it seems the plebs are easily distracted.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @utu, @Reg Cæsar, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @John Johnson, @AndrewR, @Cloudbuster, @Eagle Eye

    The left has been completely co-opted and destroyed since the 1960s by upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois.

    Great observation. At first blush, “upper-middle class urban petit bourgeois” is a contradiction in terms. But it is quite true that America in 2020 is notably afflicted with the phenomenon of an “upper middle class” afflicted with all the insecurities and self-presentation of the “petit bourgeois” ridiculed by Marx and his early disciples.

    Insecurity due to precarious financial situation – mortgage and other debts, and credentialist minefields blocking professional advancement in the next generation.

  253. @jb
    Wokeness is winning because one of the great truths about our society is unspeakable. This truth is that while white people may have been the problem 100 years ago, things have changed, and today black people are the problem. But you just can't say that, so you end up spinning off into crazyland.

    Even if you insist it has nothing to do with genetics and you are simply talking about behavior, you still can't say it. The fundamental gut feeling of liberals and leftists is that because white people enslaved black people it is therefore the obligation of white people and white people alone to put everything right. The fact that it was different white people who were the slavers and different black people who were the slaves is irrelevant, because we are talking about gut feelings, and the gut is very comfortable collective guilt and victimization. An enormous amount of leftist talktalk is simply rationalizations of such gut feelings.

    Replies: @jb, @AndrewR

    Whites were certainly more likely to think and act collectively, at least relative to blacks, 100 years ago. And Whites were more likely to treat blacks cruelly and unfairly back then than now. But I would not say “whites were the problem.” The problem was importing them from Africa to begin with. And everyone who did that was long-dead by 1920.

    • Replies: @jb
    @AndrewR

    No, I think it's correct to say that at the time, i.e., 100 years ago, whites were the problem. It's true that the problem had deeper roots, but then that's always true, of all problems, in all times. Since you can't change the past, the only problems that can ever be effectively addressed are today's problems, and as things stand today America's race problem is no longer the fault of white people, it's the fault of black people. I think the fact that this is 1) clearly true, and 2) utterly unspeakable, is a major driver of wokism.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  254. @unit472
    Realistically what could even the most rabid 'racist' do to deny negroes jobs or advancement if he ran more than a sole proprietorship with a handful of ( family ) employees? The 'system' wouldn't allow it. Its a numbers game so, for all but the tiniest economic units, not having any negroes is prima facie evidence of discrimination. One cannot say, in defense of your hiring policies you use a competitive testing because your test will be declared 'discriminatory' if not enough negroes are able to pass it. The system is rigged to not allow anyone, racist or not, to not hire negroes or face a legal onslaught.

    I remember home builders being sued for discrimination because their advertising renderings of their residential communities did not feature any obviously negro faces on the sidewalks or in the yards of the development. Obviously the builder did not 'draw' the picture but he had better make it clear to the architect who did to draw black faces and they had better look middle class not some dindu with dreadlocks engaged in a car jacking because reality is not allowed.

    The truth is the most enforced law in the United States for the past 50 years has been the prohibition on discrimination against the negro. Even murder and rape statutes ( unless by a white against a black) are not enforced so rigorously. OJ was allowed to kill his white wife as I recall but woe unto any realtor who steered OJ away buying a home in Brentwood.

    Replies: @bomag, @Bill Jones

    If you are a Supreme Court Justice you can discriminate. Ginsberg hired one “black” Law Clerk out of her total of 150.
    I hear he was more of a honky than I am.

  255. @Jack D
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Most people here simply don’t understand that Russian, Jewish, Polish, German, Lithuanian, Georgian, … Communist rule would mean, both in practice & theory, the affirmation of dominance of Western, European culture & identity over non-European.
     
    Although the USSR was a vast empire ("the prisonhouse of nations") this was not fundamentally what the Communist project was all about - that part was more or less indistinguishable from traditional Russian imperialism (and we see that post-Communist Russia is no different either, except insofar as their power is reduced and they don't have an empire as big as they would like it to be, but they are working on it). Nor did it have any lasting impact on the 'stans. 70 years inside the Soviet Union were but a moment and the minute the USSR fell apart all the 'stans reverted to being the traditional Islamic societies they always were, complete with Oriental forms of despotism (the USSR was also despotic but it was different kind of despotism) despite 70 years of dedicated and sometimes brutal Soviet efforts to stamp out religion and culture. It all just sank beneath the waves without a ripple.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @OilcanFloyd, @Art Deco

    Although the USSR was a vast empire (“the prisonhouse of nations”) this was not fundamentally what the Communist project was all about – that part was more or less indistinguishable from traditional Russian imperialism (and we see that post-Communist Russia is no different either, except insofar as their power is reduced and they don’t have an empire as big as they would like it to be, but they are working on it).

    I’m not sure about that, at least that’s not the case in the early years after the revolution when minority groups were promoted under a form of Affirmative Action. Ethnic nationalism at the expense of Russians was promoted. I think it was Stalin who started to see the light on this, even though he was a Georgian himself.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @OilcanFloyd

    Affirmative action is not necessarily woke or anti-nationalist. For example, China gave affirmative action to its minorities, exempting them from its one child policy. It's a a way of bringing minorities on side and buying their obedience in a multi-ethnic polity. Carrot and stick.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

  256. @Jack D
    @John Johnson

    I didn't say that white people went into the bush and captured slaves. You're right that for the most part they purchased them in slave ports. What I said was that they dragged people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free. That part is absolutely true. And the fact that they didn't personally capture the slaves does not take away their moral responsibility. If I am selling heroin to 12 year olds, the fact that I did not personally grow the poppies and that if I didn't buy the heroin then the growers in Afghanistan would just sell it to someone else does not negate my responsibility at all.

    Jefferson himself (not a stupid man) understood the contradictions in his own words. Remember that 1619 was over 150 years before the founding of the Republic. The Founding Fathers had basically the same problem that we have today - you have all of these people here , we should never have started down this road but we did, a long time ago. Now what do you do with them? There was a sort of fantasy that we could send them back to where they came from (the 19th century version of "they all have to go back") but it was unachievable as a practical matter, or at least it was never actually achieved.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @OilcanFloyd, @OilcanFloyd

    I didn’t say that white people went into the bush and captured slaves. You’re right that for the most part they purchased them in slave ports. What I said was that they dragged people in chains across the ocean to come work for them for free. That part is absolutely true. And the fact that they didn’t personally capture the slaves does not take away their moral responsibility.

    The funny thing about that comment is that it ignores the fact that many of those slaves were purchased with Jewish money and hauled off on Jewish-owned ships, to be sold by Jewish slave merchants. I live in a coastal town in the South, and I know that the Jewish community was knee deep in slavery, owning and trading. As a wealthy group of traders and merchants, I would bet that Jews owned blacks at a higher rate than non-Jews. My small farmer ancestors didn’t own slaves.

    Jews were knee deep in Jim Crow, also. Who do you think owned all this god-awful segregated lunch counters, where a black man couldn’t get a cup of coffee and a sandwich? Not people like my ancestors.

    Tell me again about moral responsibility!

  257. @Travis
    @TGGP

    While it does include some Pokémon points for women and some select minorities which helps it gain more followers, it is quite clear who is at the top. Identity politics has a clear hierarchy which may become cause some division in a short time. Blackness will always trump gender, Blacks will always be above Mexicans in the woke hierarchy. People like George Zimmerman will be denied racial points and classified as white when it suits their agenda.

    Replies: @TGGP

    I recall that earlier Steve noted gays trumped blacks in cases like that Scrubs actor fired for a slur.

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @TGGP

    It was Isaiah Washington from Grey's Anatomy, not Donald Faison from Scrubs. Honest mistake.

    , @dfordoom
    @TGGP


    I recall that earlier Steve noted gays trumped blacks in cases like that Scrubs actor fired for a slur.
     
    He's correct. Gays trump blacks. And trannies trump gays.

    The fact that the LGBT crowd dominates the Coalition of the Fringes is significant. It allows white liberals to stay in charge.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  258. @Thea
    @SFG

    They took over the law schools in the 60’s as well but this app just begs the question,

    Where did they come from to take over education and law in the first place.


    We've long had this strain of puritanical self righteousness unfortunately.

    Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost, @dfordoom

    “Where did they come from to take over education and law in the first place.”

    Frankfurt.

  259. @RichardTaylor
    Most likely, there's no God, no heaven, no such thing as a supernatural realm.

    So, what happens on this earth is determined by what happens on this earth. You either get power to something happen, or it doesn't happen. It's tragic to spend decades struggling to "get through" to dumb people who hate your White guts.

    There are no rewards for Good Doggies in the next life. You just witness the one-and-only life of your White children become miserable.

    If there's ever a realistic shot at immortality for our descendants, it will only be made possible by maintaining White societies, social groups, and polities. And who knows, maybe they'll return the favor and bring us back.

    But so far, this is the world we're leaving them:

    https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-san-francisco-legislation-crime-a130bb0f8d13b46dacf58ed8fa8a3169

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Most likely, there’s no God, no heaven, no such thing as a supernatural realm.

    Communist.

  260. @Abolish_public_education
    The 14th Amendment is a Reconstruction Era catastrophe.

    It was written in deliberately fuzzy fashion so as to make it amenable to pro- big government interpretations, in-perpetuity.

    It’s a lawyer’s dream that needs to be repealed.

    14 also created that most un-American of institutional, legal fictions: the US citizen.

    Beforehand, Americans considered themselves to be Californians, Virginians, or maybe Southerners (not “whites”), and so forth.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The 14th Amendment is a Reconstruction Era catastrophe.

    It was written in deliberately fuzzy fashion so as to make it amenable to pro- big government interpretations, in-perpetuity.

    This is what the Antifederalists said about the Constitution itself. It’s why John Lansing and Robert Yates stormed out of the Convention.

    When Hamilton returned from his tavern-keeping or whatever, he found he was the only New Yorker left, and refused to vote because he knew his views didn’t represent his entire state.

    One neglected part of the 14th, however, is denying congressional representation to non-voters. (Except, of course, the wives and children of voters.) We need to bring that back.

  261. @GeneralRipper
    @LondonBob


    The woke are winning because we would rather have entire way of life destroyed and families dispossessed than be seen to be rude by pointing out a few home truths. The Obama people are right, we are cowards.

     

    Speak for yourself, Bob.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Speak for yourself, Bob.

    The rot goes deeper than you think. Whenever I point out to the Fire Eaters on this forum that Africans have been spitting in their food for 400 years, they get all worked up. But they never deny it. They know it’s true– Jesse Jackson said so.

    Even they can’t bear to hurt colored feelings.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Reg Cæsar


    Even they can’t bear to hurt colored feelings.
     
    But at least they have made the prudential decision to vote for Trump. You will vote third party.

    That you live in Minnesota cannot be dismissed as accidental.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    There's an easy solution. Cook your own damned food. All of our problems are at bottom rooted in the fact that (rich) white people and their businesses didn't want to do their own work and they didn't want to pay what it takes to hire other white people to do it for them. It all stems from that and it's STILL what is driving immigration today.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @GeneralRipper
    @Reg Cæsar

    Well it was your Yankee ancestors who first brought them over here, made chattel slavery legal and made lots of money off of it.

    I guess you'll have to take it up with them.

    As far as moral cowardice goes, New Englanders lead the way as well. The people down South have been fighting to keep their monuments and symbols intact, regardless of who's "feelings" they may hurt.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  262. Sailer:

    The Right Moralists inevitably got canceled in turn, leaving Ibram X. Kendi and his lowbrow true believers the only polemicists currently entitled to express an opinion on the dominant question of the day.
    Good luck, America.

    Well Steve, most of us do not live in the enchanted land of beauty, sunny days, cool nights, and easy living. So thanks for wishing us luck. But, to quote the Great Irish Philosopher Stephen, of Braveheart fame,

    The Almighty tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he’s pretty sure you’re fucked.”

    We will lament your disappearance, condemn your unjust treatment, and grieve your loss. But Stephen was right. You will not be permitted to mention the unmentionables, especially your wokeness assessment. TPTB will insist that you must make your way into the next world through the top of a large pile of dry wood. Lit with an accelerant and burning slowly. Because, of course, “He’s are a witch! Burn him!”

    But hey, in 70 years, you will be a renowned philosopher. The remnant will erect statues of you. School children will memorize and recite your wisdom. You will be lauded by the those left after the collapse. So you have that to comfort you!

  263. @Reg Cæsar
    @GeneralRipper


    Speak for yourself, Bob.

     

    The rot goes deeper than you think. Whenever I point out to the Fire Eaters on this forum that Africans have been spitting in their food for 400 years, they get all worked up. But they never deny it. They know it's true-- Jesse Jackson said so.

    Even they can't bear to hurt colored feelings.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jack D, @GeneralRipper

    Even they can’t bear to hurt colored feelings.

    But at least they have made the prudential decision to vote for Trump. You will vote third party.

    That you live in Minnesota cannot be dismissed as accidental.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Charles Erwin Wilson


    But at least they have made the prudential decision to vote for Trump. You will vote third party
     
    Trump is third party. Or haven't you noticed? My own roots are outer borough on one side, poor Trumps. Mom would've gone to PS whatever with Geri had the Ferraros not scraped up tuition money for the nuns. Which we didn't have.

    Five inches of snow the other day White man's weather!
  264. @RichardTaylor
    Most likely, there's no God, no heaven, no such thing as a supernatural realm.

    So, what happens on this earth is determined by what happens on this earth. You either get power to something happen, or it doesn't happen. It's tragic to spend decades struggling to "get through" to dumb people who hate your White guts.

    There are no rewards for Good Doggies in the next life. You just witness the one-and-only life of your White children become miserable.

    If there's ever a realistic shot at immortality for our descendants, it will only be made possible by maintaining White societies, social groups, and polities. And who knows, maybe they'll return the favor and bring us back.

    But so far, this is the world we're leaving them:

    https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-san-francisco-legislation-crime-a130bb0f8d13b46dacf58ed8fa8a3169

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Most likely, there’s no God, no heaven, no such thing as a supernatural realm.

    Wow! Your perceptive capacity must have been severely damaged somewhere along the line. It isn’t just that you are on the wrong side of Pascal’s wager. It is that we are given very few certainties, but one is that nothing comes from nothing. And your perspective is built on the absurdity that something comes from nothing.

    The afterlife is going to suck for you.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @Charles Erwin Wilson


    The afterlife is going to suck for you.
     
    Why? God doesn't like a questioning mind?

    I didn't say there is no God, but I see a lot of people counting on angels to come save them. That's a bad strategy. Put it this way: Jesus did his sacrifice for you. He's done enough. Now it's own us to make things happen.

    Sure, no one can say there is certainty of no God. But for now, unless angels show up, we have to proceed on the basis that we are alone in this world to make things happen.

  265. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    You’re one of the few people in Unz comment threads (or even among writers here) who I’ve seen use the most important phrase in recent Western history:

    the long march through the institutions

    It is the most important strategy that happened in the West in the last 100 years.

    It was a cultural war that was planned, prosecuted, and won, without a shot being fired.

    It’s not like it happened through stealth, either: it was openly announced as a strategy by Dutschke in 1967; widely praised by people on the Left who became aware of it; and it was implemented in plain sight. Nobody has an excuse for not being aware that it was underway, and nobody in the political class tried to stop it.

    Economics – particularly Public Choice theory – has had a well-developed understanding of ‘regulatory capture‘: the people being regulated, actively seek to ‘capture’ the regulatory bureaucracy and alter the bureaucracy’s objectives to suit them.

    Capture theory dates from the 50s, and it’s not a stretch to say that Dutschke’s ‘long march’ was just a variation on that theme: capture the education bureaucracy, and you get to push your ideas at young minds for 8 hours a day, for a decade or more.

    Controlling bureaucracy is a superior strategy to controlling organised religion, who only get a couple of hours a week to attempt to infect young people’s minds.

    The ‘Right’ has no excuses for its pathetic failure to prevent the long march. It deserves to be humiliated for that failure.

    Imagine that your implacable enemy told you – in excruciating detail – what he planned to do to fuck you up… and then you pretty much let him implement those plans without trying any countermeasures.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Kratoklastes


    The ‘Right’ has no excuses for its pathetic failure to prevent the long march. It deserves to be humiliated for that failure.
     
    Conservatives just want to grill n' chill after reasoned debates that concede everything to Left.

    Bezmenov and Trump correct patriotic education is the correct counter.

    However, we are one minute from midnight descending on a permanent Gramscian state.

    Imagine that your implacable enemy told you – in excruciating detail – what he planned to do to fuck you up… and then you pretty much let him implement those plans without trying any countermeasures.

     

    Playing politics in naïve good faith has proven to be the Western right's fatal undoing.
  266. @Zoodles
    It's really a caste system complete with inherited Karma, Blacks are high caste. It doesn't matter what a low caste white Dalit does, he will never possess the inherent moral superiority of a black career criminal like George Floyd. George Floyd has superior Intersectional Karma.

    That is why Brahmins and Conquistadors are so keen on intersectionality when they move to our countries. They stand at the top of thier own caste ridden cultures and recognise Intersectionality as yet another caste system they can exploit.

    Replies: @Francis Miville

    No. Blacks are for the most part shudras, White workers are dalits and chandaalas , Black delinquents are kshatriyas, White wokes are vaishyas, and Jews are Brahmins. George Floyd was a kshatriya.

  267. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    As a people with a long history as a middle-man minority living within large host gentile populations, Jews are majority hostile and wanted to move the ideology–and state power–to being pro-minority, anti-majority.
     
    As a middle-man minority, I also want unlimited ice cream for breakfast and hot and cold running shiksas, but as a famous goyish philosopher once said, "you can't always get what you want". Jews were never more than 5% of the US population. Did they use their Jew tricknology to brainwash the other 95%? Why did this never work before or anywhere else except for post WWII America? My parents in Poland (where Jews were over 10% of the population) would have jumped for joy if the state ideology had been merely neutral toward the Jews let alone pro-minority but when they tried their Jewhypnosis on the locals, it never seemed to work.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew, @HammerJack, @Peterike, @Mr. Anon, @Ian Smith, @AnotherDad

    “ Did they use their Jew tricknology to brainwash the other 95%? Why did this never work before or anywhere else except for post WWII America?“

    You might want to read up on Weimar Germany. The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. The Spanish Civil War. Maybe some about Béla Kun. I’m sure others can furnish additional examples.

  268. @Corvinus
    @Ron Unz

    "Well, given the absolutely unbelievable things that the MSM is currently attempting to cover up, despite the fact that they’re happening right before our very eyes and ears..."

    LOL. Here is the Alt Right and Radical Left parlor trick exposed:
    1) Rely on blogs and anonymous authors with limited explanation for why they are reliable;
    2) Who offer an opinion based on confirmation bias cloaked as “evidence”;
    3) Who then popularize that their own simulation of reality;
    4) Then baldly claim any counter narrative from the MSM is automatically false.

    EXCEPT, when having already completely dismissed the MSM’s stories, they suddenly pay attention to it when it suits their purpose. On top of it all, when the MSM makes an error in reporting--when the Alt Right has already refused to accept its legitimacy--and does not issue a correction, the Alt Right attacks its integrity. And when the MSM does fix the mistake...the Alt Right or Radical Left attacks its integrity.

    Furthermore, Mr. Unz, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. On one hand, you tacitly encourage readers to peddle this “Fake News” mantra. On the other hand, you latch on to MSM stories that seemingly support your conclusions. You once inferred that we ought to trust ABC News, which cited four separate intelligence sources that a government report *existed* that Covid-19 is a bioweapon. Of course that report “exists”. Whether or not that report constitutes a “smoking gun” in an entirely different matter. But I thought that ANYTHING that comes from U.S. intelligence ought not to be trusted. Because Deep State. So it would appear that those stories which supports your predisposed narrative, you take stock in, and for other stories that go against your truth grain, your vigorously question their veracity, at best, or totally discards, at worst.

    Ultimately, a fine number of readers here believe the source you used is part of FAKE NEWS. I would like to know how you Mr. Unz would respond to their repeated accusation that ALL of the mainstream media reporting are lies.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Mr. Anon

    LOL. Here is the Alt Right and Radical Left parlor trick exposed:
    1) Rely on blogs and anonymous authors with limited explanation for why they are reliable;
    2) Who offer an opinion based on confirmation bias cloaked as “evidence”;

    Well, I’ll admit I haven’t been paying a great deal of attention to the election campaign. But offhand it does look like the Biden laptop bombshell is probably genuine, and the notion of Twitter (and Facebook?) banning America’s oldest newspaper for breaking the story seems utterly unprecedented. As a couple of people have pointed out, this MSM situation would be almost impossible even in most Third World countries.

    Furthermore, Mr. Unz, you can’t have your cake and eat it, too. On one hand, you tacitly encourage readers to peddle this “Fake News” mantra. On the other hand, you latch on to MSM stories that seemingly support your conclusions.

    Nope. I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions. Neither the ABC News people nor their four Intelligence sources ever remotely recognized the massive implications of the story they were revealing. If they had, it obviously never would have aired…

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Ron Unz

    "Well, I’ll admit I haven’t been paying a great deal of attention to the election campaign. But offhand it does look like the Biden laptop bombshell is probably genuine..."

    You had just stated that in order to offer up a cogent analysis, one has to delve deeper into the source material. Yet, you offer a cursory perspective by way of weasel phrases--"offhand" and "probably genuine" in light of admitting you have not been focusing on the election! I find that hard to believe. I suppose in this manner, you do not have dig further into what extent the accusation has merit. I get it, though, for if you chose to investigate in an honest manner, you would realize this "story" has been essentially manufactured, and that would not bode well for your credibility here. But as a result of your tacit endorsement, your readers will continue to believe the Biden laptop is a "bombshell".

    "and the notion of Twitter (and Facebook?) banning America’s oldest newspaper for breaking the story seems utterly unprecedented".

    Perhaps the story itself lacked verification and was baseless on its face, as Fox News seemingly and ultimately decided. Thus, Twitter chose not to enable misinformation to run roughshod.

    You see what happens, for example, when the phenomenon known as QANON takes effect--Half of Donald Trump supporters think top Democrats are involved in child sex-trafficking.

    https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/10/20/half-trump-supporters-believe-qanon-theory-child-s

    Yes or No--Are top Democrats involved in child sex-trafficking?

    "Neither the ABC News people nor their four Intelligence sources ever remotely recognized the massive implications of the story they were revealing."

    What specific evidence do you have that supports your assertion? How are you absolutely certain that ABC news and the intelligence sources lacked a fundamental "wherewithal"? Do you have internal memos? Interviews? News reports?

    "Nope. I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions."

    Yes or no--Are those who tout the media as AUTOMATICALLY being Fake News are wrong headed in light of how your approach to analyzing source/information?

    Yes or no--Are those who insist ALL of the mainstream media reporting are lies accurate or inaccurate?

    Please answer for the record.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @dfordoom, @GeneralRipper

  269. Hugo Silva: “In my opinion this a religious phenomenon, Christianity for people who don’t believe in God, with the Blacks as sacred martyrs and the Whites showing their piety by uplifting the sacred martyrs.”

    Not all the Woke are irreligious. In fact, all of the mainstream churches and even the Pope himself count themselves among the Woke. Wokeness is Christian ethics for the twenty-first century. The very name “Wokeism” harkens back to the outbreaks of religious fervor referred to as the Great Awakenings of Christian America. By some accounts there have been four of them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_awakening

    “Wokeism” is arguably a fifth wave, just Christian ethics in another form, where belief in Jesus and anything supernatural has become optional. The cultural triumph of Christianity has been so complete in the West that its key concepts are accepted without question: the so-called “brotherhood of man”, the existence and equality of “souls” (often conflated with the mind), the wisdom of “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”, collective guilt (original sin), the supposed virtue to be found in begging forgiveness, etc. There’s no evidence for any of that stuff, of course. But does that make it a separate religion? I say no. Though there are still many practicing Christians involved in it, and because of its borrowed concepts it strongly resembles Christianity, it’s mostly secular and just political.

    • Thanks: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Dr. Robert Morgan


    In fact, all of the mainstream churches and even the Pope himself count themselves among the Woke.
     
    And the disordered:


    https://twitter.com/i/events/1318913622517579777

    Benedict, come back!


    On the other hand, if the Papacy survived the Florentines, it may get past this blip. A "civil union", whatever the hell that is, is not a sacrament.

  270. @Reg Cæsar
    @GeneralRipper


    Speak for yourself, Bob.

     

    The rot goes deeper than you think. Whenever I point out to the Fire Eaters on this forum that Africans have been spitting in their food for 400 years, they get all worked up. But they never deny it. They know it's true-- Jesse Jackson said so.

    Even they can't bear to hurt colored feelings.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Jack D, @GeneralRipper

    There’s an easy solution. Cook your own damned food. All of our problems are at bottom rooted in the fact that (rich) white people and their businesses didn’t want to do their own work and they didn’t want to pay what it takes to hire other white people to do it for them. It all stems from that and it’s STILL what is driving immigration today.

    • Agree: dfordoom, JackOH
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    There’s an easy solution. Cook your own damned food.
     
    Like I ever had a choice in the matter...
  271. @Corvinus
    @Ron Unz

    "Well, given the absolutely unbelievable things that the MSM is currently attempting to cover up, despite the fact that they’re happening right before our very eyes and ears..."

    LOL. Here is the Alt Right and Radical Left parlor trick exposed:
    1) Rely on blogs and anonymous authors with limited explanation for why they are reliable;
    2) Who offer an opinion based on confirmation bias cloaked as “evidence”;
    3) Who then popularize that their own simulation of reality;
    4) Then baldly claim any counter narrative from the MSM is automatically false.

    EXCEPT, when having already completely dismissed the MSM’s stories, they suddenly pay attention to it when it suits their purpose. On top of it all, when the MSM makes an error in reporting--when the Alt Right has already refused to accept its legitimacy--and does not issue a correction, the Alt Right attacks its integrity. And when the MSM does fix the mistake...the Alt Right or Radical Left attacks its integrity.

    Furthermore, Mr. Unz, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. On one hand, you tacitly encourage readers to peddle this “Fake News” mantra. On the other hand, you latch on to MSM stories that seemingly support your conclusions. You once inferred that we ought to trust ABC News, which cited four separate intelligence sources that a government report *existed* that Covid-19 is a bioweapon. Of course that report “exists”. Whether or not that report constitutes a “smoking gun” in an entirely different matter. But I thought that ANYTHING that comes from U.S. intelligence ought not to be trusted. Because Deep State. So it would appear that those stories which supports your predisposed narrative, you take stock in, and for other stories that go against your truth grain, your vigorously question their veracity, at best, or totally discards, at worst.

    Ultimately, a fine number of readers here believe the source you used is part of FAKE NEWS. I would like to know how you Mr. Unz would respond to their repeated accusation that ALL of the mainstream media reporting are lies.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Mr. Anon

    It’s called thinking for youself, you nitwit. Obviously not a strong suit of yours. You judge what you read, based on a variety of factors. And there is no reason to assume that people who are paid a lot of money to be propagandists, whether they are at CNN, FOX, WaPo, or whatever, are necessarily telling you the truth just because they call themselves “journalists”.

    Why do you think mainstream “news” outlets are ignoring or even supressing the Hunter/Joe Biden story? Is it because it is intrinsically not newsworthy?

    You are a credulous fool.

  272. @vinteuil
    @PhysicistDave


    Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.
     
    I don't know that he lacks the courage, but he certainly lacks the understanding. Like everybody else of his generation, he gets his information from all the usual suspects. I'd be amazed if he's ever in his life so much as heard of Steve Sailer, or Ron Unz, or anybody else who's bucking the tide.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Harry Baldwin

    I’d be amazed if he’s ever in his life so much as heard of Steve Sailer, or Ron Unz, or anybody else who’s bucking the tide.

    Reporters keep asking Trump about Qanon, which I’m quite certain he’s never heard of. I wouldn’t have heard of it myself if I hadn’t looked at Vox Day’s site a few times. Qanon is one of these things that’s center-of-attention on the left, but pretty much irrelevant on the right. I don’t recall seeing it brought upat iSteve.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Harry Baldwin

    A 42 year old Donald Trump running on his 2016 Republican platform in 1988 as the Democrat nominee would have easily defeated George Bush Sr. The MSM of 1988 would have wholeheartedly approved. Joe Biden in 1988 would have been his biggest champion.

    Am I the only late Gen-Xer who in 2016 realized how normie Trump's positions were by the standards of 1990 ?

    I feel sorry for every Boomer-Con who called me a terrorist lover in '03 for opposing the Iraq invasion. They're now living in my reality but still have memories of first run Leave It To Beaver episodes.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  273. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    As a people with a long history as a middle-man minority living within large host gentile populations, Jews are majority hostile and wanted to move the ideology–and state power–to being pro-minority, anti-majority.
     
    As a middle-man minority, I also want unlimited ice cream for breakfast and hot and cold running shiksas, but as a famous goyish philosopher once said, "you can't always get what you want". Jews were never more than 5% of the US population. Did they use their Jew tricknology to brainwash the other 95%? Why did this never work before or anywhere else except for post WWII America? My parents in Poland (where Jews were over 10% of the population) would have jumped for joy if the state ideology had been merely neutral toward the Jews let alone pro-minority but when they tried their Jewhypnosis on the locals, it never seemed to work.

    Replies: @Matt Buckalew, @HammerJack, @Peterike, @Mr. Anon, @Ian Smith, @AnotherDad

    Jews were never more than 5% of the US population. Did they use their Jew tricknology to brainwash the other 95%?

    Money helps. Controlling a lot of the media helps. Vast “over-represenatation” in the legal and financial sectors help. But I’m sure that’s just a “canard”. And it’s not as if they have been uninfluential in other countries. Poland? Maybe not. But Britain? France?

    But – whatever – when the Supreme Court almost goes from 33% to 44% representation by one group that constitutes only about 2% of the population – we’re all just hallucinating it. Nothing to see here.

    Nobody much is buying that line anymore.

  274. @R.G. Camara
    Because the communists are well-organized, well-funded, and have been preparing for decades in this country to do it.

    And yes it is Marxism. It's just Marxism flavored by leftist think-tank rhetoric so as to try to slip it past us.

    Replies: @Kronos, @MBlanc46

    It’s what American Marxism has morphed into over the past half century. When “da workers” declined to join in the revolution of the 1960s, and even actively opposed it in some instances, Marxists and other Leftists saw that they needed another wedge with which to penetrate and destroy Western society. They’d been beating the race drum for decades, so it wasn’t very difficult to move race front and center. Feminism was already stirring, and women were brought under the umbrella of the oppressed. By the end of the sixties, sexual deviants were added to the mix. While they still sometimes talk about the holy trinity of race, class, and sex (they say “gender”, but they mean sex), class gets a look in only when the workers are women and people of color. Yes, a few of our Leftists are Marxists. Most of them are not. Up until the first half of the 1960s, they would have Marxists, had they been around, but these days they are “wokists”.

  275. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Steve,

    I think that you are unfair to Kendi. Yes, he has a two-digit IQ, but sometimes you need a simple man to point out simple truths. Kendi, in fact, follows the logic of the blank-slaters (Left and Right) to its logical conclusion: Elimination of Whites.

    Now, are the blank-slaters incorrect that only nature matters? Of course. But their beliefs are now the orthodoxy of our society, so the facts must submit to the larger "Truth" - as every medieval scribe understood instinctively.

    Here are THE twin "Truths" of our society: All groups are equally capable and any deviation from equal outcomes is the result of conscious or unconscious bias by Whites.

    Everything springs from these Truths. So, let's follow the logic - as understood by Kendi and others.

    1. Various racial groups are not performing equally.

    2. Whites are to blame.

    3. Previous generations of White liberals have tried various policies - affirmative action, welfare programs, housing programs, Head Start - but they have failed. But for some reasons, these old White liberals keep trying the same thing over and over.

    4. Since groups are equal, the previous policies were strong enough to overcome White racism. We need even more draconian measures.

    Now, since groups aren't equally capable, those measure will get continually more intrusive. But, of course, they will never work. And they will never work (in the minds of our new POC overlords) because Whites simply refuse or are incapable of giving up their racism.

    At some point, the solution - let's call it the "final solution" - to the problem of unequal group outcomes will become clear: Elimination (or, maybe, just subjugation) of Whites.

    If you believe the twin Truths of our Theocracy (and every institution of these society does), that is the only logical conclusion.

    Replies: @New Dealer, @Steve Sailer

    Thanks and praise for your comment. This line of deduction has been rolling around in my mind late at night, but I was too discouraged to set it down in exact words. The logic is inevitable.

  276. @martin_2
    Surely "wokeness" cannot really win, at least in the long run, since it is based upon false beliefs about the nature of reality. Racial inequalities in life outcomes are caused by differences in the level of average intelligence across different Races, not by white people oppressing blacks. If you believe or pretend to believe otherwise then things will not go as planned. Its that simple.

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Rob McX, @Travis

    In the long run there will be far fewer whites living in America. Half the whites alive today will be gone. Due to lower fertility rates, the boomers did not replace themselves…neither did Gen-X. Over the last 5 years there have been more white deaths than births in America. This trend is accelerating. Census Bureau statistics show an absolute decline in the nation’s white population—accelerating a phenomenon that was not projected to occur until the next decade.
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/06/21/us-white-population-declines-and-generation-z-plus-is-minority-white-census-shows/

    Year—– US Pop — White Population
    2010 – 309 million – 196 million – 63% White
    2020 – 330 million – 196 million – 59% White
    2030 – 345 million – 190 million – 55% White
    2040 – 365 million – 180 million – 49% White

    The number of white Americans between the ages of 20-40 has fallen 20% since peaking in 1984. Since 1999 years the number of white people has declined by 18% in the most important age demographic, those between the ages of 20-40.

    year – Non-Hispanic Whites aged 20-40 years-old
    1980 – 58 million
    2000- 56 million
    2020- 47 million

    over the last decade just 19 million white babies were born in America, the fewest number of whites born since the 1930s. If this trend continues, there will be just 36 million white Americans aged 20-40 in 2040,

    • Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @Travis

    Demographics is the key reason the woke ideology has strengthened.

  277. @TGGP
    @Travis

    I recall that earlier Steve noted gays trumped blacks in cases like that Scrubs actor fired for a slur.

    Replies: @njguy73, @dfordoom

    It was Isaiah Washington from Grey’s Anatomy, not Donald Faison from Scrubs. Honest mistake.

  278. @Peter D. Bredon
    @Dr. X

    "where a person gets ahead in life by going to a liberal arts college and reading books and listening to lesbian professors lecture."


    And you people wonder why the Left is winning. It's not even a question being the only home for intelligent people (which it is) but just a question of it being the only place for people with a sense of dignity.

    Welcome to the iSteve Right: where Aristotle and St. Thomas and Tolkein are book-readin' commie fags. We don't need no book learnin' to beat the left, just 'roids!

    BANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNE!

    Oops, he lost, didn't he? Some smart lesbian blew him away.

    Replies: @Dr. X

    Welcome to the iSteve Right: where Aristotle and St. Thomas and Tolkein are book-readin’ commie fags.

    Are you f–ing kidding me??? Unless they’re at Hillsdale or Grove City, they aren’t reading Aristotle and Aquinas and Tolkien.

    If they read anything at all — and that’s a BIG “if” in a LOT of cases — the “book readin’ commie fags” are reading Marcuse and Derrida and Fanon and Foucault and Zinn and Cornel West and Ibram X. Kendi and Naomi Wolf.

    None of this has anything to do with “dignity,” it’s all about hating the white man and hating Western Civilization.

  279. @PhysicistDave
    Dave Pinsen wrote:

    If Trump wins a second term, expect the counter-offensive to continue and spread to the private sector.
     
    No, it won't.

    Trump has no idea at all what he is up against: why did he put Bill Barr in charge of DoJ and Chris Wray in charge of the FBI?

    Fundamentally, Trump cannot really understand that the best schooled, most prestigious, most successful people in our society are all corrupt.

    Trump is thinking like a CEO in the 1950s who figured you hired smart marketing managers, smart operations mangers, etc., and then they hired good salesmen, good shop foremen, and so on.

    Because in the 1950s, most people in the managerial and professional class in America were not crooks.

    That is no longer true.

    So, Trump hired Rex Tillerson and Gina Haspel and Mad Dog Mattis and Alex Acosta and John Kelly and Scaramucci and all the rest.

    We are on the verge of electing a President who sold out American foreign policy to make a few bucks for his cokehead, pedophile son, and most people in our leading news media pretend that the cokehead's emails that lay out what he and his dad did are Russian propaganda!

    And Trump does not understand that either.

    Most of all, Trump does not understand the deep corruption in our institutions that led to all this: We push our children to do fake "extra-curricular activities," so that they can fake their way into college, where most of them learn nothing of any productive value, so that they can go out and get well-paid jobs as members of the parasitic verbalist overclass, jobs that are actually a net drain on the economy.

    And so most of the best and the brightest in our society live less than worthless lives, get really unhappy, and if they do not actually kill themselves, they turn on our society and try to destroy it.

    Dave Pinsen also wrote:


    With Trump giving them cover, some expect CEOs to follow his example. It would then become a competitive advantage, and spread.
     
    No. We no longer live a competitive, free-market economy. With Griggs v. Duke Power, with bailouts of the businesses that are well-connected while productive businesses are driven into bankruptcy, with the deep corruption in our monetary and financial system, with many of the best jobs in areas that no one pretends are subject to market competition -- no, the idea of "competitive advantage" no longer works as it used to.

    As Adam Smith said to John Sinclair, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," and America may not collapse all at once. But, the Left realized it had to make the "long march through the institutions," and it has succeeded.

    Neither Trump nor almost anyone on the Right realizes that they need to obliterate and annihilate all those institutions created by the "progressives" -- the universities, the K-12 public schools, the Deep State and the military-industrial complex, the monetary-financial cartel, the Big Medicine trust, the news and entertainment "media," and all the rest.

    Here is how to tell if a turning of the tide is in sight: -- when the opposition to the Left starts calling for: abolishing the FBI, CIA,, and the NSA; cutting off all tax funding for all schools and all universities; eliminating "intellectual property" monopolies; selling the Pentagon building and pulling all American troops back to the fifty states; etc.

    We are nowhere near that, and Trump lacks even the understanding or the courage to try.

    The tide is still going out and will continue to do so no matter who wins on November 3.

    Replies: @JackOH, @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon, @The Alarmist, @utu, @Prester John, @peterike, @Bill, @Realist, @brandybranch, @Rob Lee, @Anonymous, @AKAHorace, @Dave Pinsen, @James O'Meara, @Bardon Kaldian, @vinteuil, @Kratoklastes, @MBlanc46, @DR Smith, @Kratoklastes

    That’s pretty well put, Dave. Should Trump be re-elected—and it’s a pretty long shot—all it will mean is the le deluge will be postponed for four years. A lot of evil things will be done to heritage Americans—and Trump will do precious little to stop them—but the final inundation will be put off until 2025.

  280. @Hugo Silva
    The problem with classifying Wokeness as anti-white racism is that the most enthusiastically woke people are Whites. You need to explain why so many Whites hate their own race. In my opinion this a religious phenomenon, Christianity for people who don't believe in God, with the Blacks as sacred martyrs and the Whites showing their piety by uplifting the sacred martyrs.

    Replies: @Bill, @Bardon Kaldian, @Tex, @AndrewR, @Corvinus, @dfordoom

    The problem with classifying Wokeness as anti-white racism is that the most enthusiastically woke people are Whites. You need to explain why so many Whites hate their own race.

    White liberals do not hate themselves. They think they’re the most awesome most enlightened people who ever walked the Earth. But they don’t see things in terms of race. They see things in terms of class, and culture. They have a white-hot burning hatred for a particular kind of white culture.

    They love upper middle class and elite white culture. They hate and despise the kind of white culture that they associate with the white working class and with rural whites. They hate what they see as the God, guns and patriotism variety of white culture. They hate white people who like NASCAR racing.

    For white liberals it’s all about class hatred. And they define class through the lens of culture.

    Wokeism is just another way of attacking the particular kind of white culture that they hate so much.

    White liberals see themselves as liberals, not whites.

  281. Why Is Wokeness Winning?

    Because there is no attractive alternative.

    Mainstream conservatism is just the worship of greed and corruption. It’s repulsive.

    The dissident right contains way too many crazies and they’re a particularly ugly set of crazies.

    Social conservatism seems boring and oppressive.

    The Economic Left scarcely exists.

    The mainstream Left has embraced the same kind of greed and money worship as the mainstream Left.

    Christianity is OK if that sort of thing appeals to you but it doesn’t appeal to most people. It has almost no appeal to young people. Too many crazies in Christianity, and Christianity seems kinda creepy to young people.

    So if you’re young and disillusioned and idealistic then things like Wokeism and antifa seem like the only attractive options.

    What is needed is an attractive alternative. Not a dying religion like Christianity, and not nostalgia for the Third Reich or the Confederacy. A genuinely attractive alternative that sounds idealistic and cool and exciting.

  282. @Ron Unz
    @Corvinus


    LOL. Here is the Alt Right and Radical Left parlor trick exposed:
    1) Rely on blogs and anonymous authors with limited explanation for why they are reliable;
    2) Who offer an opinion based on confirmation bias cloaked as “evidence”;
     
    Well, I'll admit I haven't been paying a great deal of attention to the election campaign. But offhand it does look like the Biden laptop bombshell is probably genuine, and the notion of Twitter (and Facebook?) banning America's oldest newspaper for breaking the story seems utterly unprecedented. As a couple of people have pointed out, this MSM situation would be almost impossible even in most Third World countries.

    Furthermore, Mr. Unz, you can’t have your cake and eat it, too. On one hand, you tacitly encourage readers to peddle this “Fake News” mantra. On the other hand, you latch on to MSM stories that seemingly support your conclusions.
     
    Nope. I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions. Neither the ABC News people nor their four Intelligence sources ever remotely recognized the massive implications of the story they were revealing. If they had, it obviously never would have aired...

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Well, I’ll admit I haven’t been paying a great deal of attention to the election campaign. But offhand it does look like the Biden laptop bombshell is probably genuine…”

    You had just stated that in order to offer up a cogent analysis, one has to delve deeper into the source material. Yet, you offer a cursory perspective by way of weasel phrases–“offhand” and “probably genuine” in light of admitting you have not been focusing on the election! I find that hard to believe. I suppose in this manner, you do not have dig further into what extent the accusation has merit. I get it, though, for if you chose to investigate in an honest manner, you would realize this “story” has been essentially manufactured, and that would not bode well for your credibility here. But as a result of your tacit endorsement, your readers will continue to believe the Biden laptop is a “bombshell”.

    “and the notion of Twitter (and Facebook?) banning America’s oldest newspaper for breaking the story seems utterly unprecedented”.

    Perhaps the story itself lacked verification and was baseless on its face, as Fox News seemingly and ultimately decided. Thus, Twitter chose not to enable misinformation to run roughshod.

    You see what happens, for example, when the phenomenon known as QANON takes effect–Half of Donald Trump supporters think top Democrats are involved in child sex-trafficking.

    https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/10/20/half-trump-supporters-believe-qanon-theory-child-s

    Yes or No–Are top Democrats involved in child sex-trafficking?

    “Neither the ABC News people nor their four Intelligence sources ever remotely recognized the massive implications of the story they were revealing.”

    What specific evidence do you have that supports your assertion? How are you absolutely certain that ABC news and the intelligence sources lacked a fundamental “wherewithal”? Do you have internal memos? Interviews? News reports?

    “Nope. I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions.”

    Yes or no–Are those who tout the media as AUTOMATICALLY being Fake News are wrong headed in light of how your approach to analyzing source/information?

    Yes or no–Are those who insist ALL of the mainstream media reporting are lies accurate or inaccurate?

    Please answer for the record.

    • Troll: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Corvinus


    Yes or No–Are top Democrats involved in child sex-trafficking?...Please answer for the record.
     
    Sure. Probably not *most* top Democrats, but very likely some of them. I've never paid attention to any of that crazy QAnon nonsense, but I wrote a long article on the subject last year:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-john-mccain-jeffrey-epstein-and-pizzagate/

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Corvinus

    , @dfordoom
    @Corvinus


    Yes or No–Are top Democrats involved in child sex-trafficking?
     
    To me it seems very very unlikely. It sounds like wishful thinking on the part of crazed conspiracy theorists. It's the sort of thing that many on the Right desperately want to believe.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @GeneralRipper
    @Corvinus

    Corvie, you believe that Charlie Brown and the Frito Bandito are "racist", and you swallowed the "Russiagate" coup attempt, hook line and sinker.

    You think Vladimir Putin makes noises under your bed at night. You are a hopelessly indoctrinated child and crazy as a shithouse rat, to boot....lol

  283. @Johnny Smoggins
    @JohnnyWalker123

    So far, the "pictures of underage girls" seem to be just that, not pictures of underage girls nude or having sex.

    The real issue here is the corruption, the pay for access to VP Biden, but of course Republicans are too stupid to see that. It would be just like Trump and the Republicans to blow this gift that was handed to them by pursuing some stupid phantom rather than the real crime.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

    Well, Johnny, there are a lot of “Republicans” (so numerous that they have their own moniker, that of “Never Trumpers”) who would be quite happy to follow some stupid phantom instead of pursuing the corruption angle. I wonder why. It’s just so comfortable there in The Swamp, that they don’t want anything to change. RINOs are, as the acronym indicates, not really expressive of Republican principles concerning societal order.

    But still, I wouldn’t be too quick to characterize possible sexual crimes against minors, or discoveries of kiddie porn as a stupid phantom, as these are actually offenses that are to be taken seriously. There is nothing that says that financial corruption and vice can’t be simultaneously going on; both can be actionable under the law.

  284. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    There's an easy solution. Cook your own damned food. All of our problems are at bottom rooted in the fact that (rich) white people and their businesses didn't want to do their own work and they didn't want to pay what it takes to hire other white people to do it for them. It all stems from that and it's STILL what is driving immigration today.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There’s an easy solution. Cook your own damned food.

    Like I ever had a choice in the matter…

  285. @Dave Pinsen
    @PhysicistDave

    Why don’t you use the reply feature?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @PhysicistDave

    Dave Pinsen asked me:

    Why don’t you use the reply feature?

    I intended to — it was late at night and I probably hit the wrong button. Or maybe a browser malfunction. Sorry.

    By the way, I hope it was clear that I was not attacking your own comment but rather trying to broaden the issues.

    All the best,

    Dave

  286. @Corvinus
    @Ron Unz

    "Well, I’ll admit I haven’t been paying a great deal of attention to the election campaign. But offhand it does look like the Biden laptop bombshell is probably genuine..."

    You had just stated that in order to offer up a cogent analysis, one has to delve deeper into the source material. Yet, you offer a cursory perspective by way of weasel phrases--"offhand" and "probably genuine" in light of admitting you have not been focusing on the election! I find that hard to believe. I suppose in this manner, you do not have dig further into what extent the accusation has merit. I get it, though, for if you chose to investigate in an honest manner, you would realize this "story" has been essentially manufactured, and that would not bode well for your credibility here. But as a result of your tacit endorsement, your readers will continue to believe the Biden laptop is a "bombshell".

    "and the notion of Twitter (and Facebook?) banning America’s oldest newspaper for breaking the story seems utterly unprecedented".

    Perhaps the story itself lacked verification and was baseless on its face, as Fox News seemingly and ultimately decided. Thus, Twitter chose not to enable misinformation to run roughshod.

    You see what happens, for example, when the phenomenon known as QANON takes effect--Half of Donald Trump supporters think top Democrats are involved in child sex-trafficking.

    https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/10/20/half-trump-supporters-believe-qanon-theory-child-s

    Yes or No--Are top Democrats involved in child sex-trafficking?

    "Neither the ABC News people nor their four Intelligence sources ever remotely recognized the massive implications of the story they were revealing."

    What specific evidence do you have that supports your assertion? How are you absolutely certain that ABC news and the intelligence sources lacked a fundamental "wherewithal"? Do you have internal memos? Interviews? News reports?

    "Nope. I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions."

    Yes or no--Are those who tout the media as AUTOMATICALLY being Fake News are wrong headed in light of how your approach to analyzing source/information?

    Yes or no--Are those who insist ALL of the mainstream media reporting are lies accurate or inaccurate?

    Please answer for the record.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @dfordoom, @GeneralRipper

    Yes or No–Are top Democrats involved in child sex-trafficking?…Please answer for the record.

    Sure. Probably not *most* top Democrats, but very likely some of them. I’ve never paid attention to any of that crazy QAnon nonsense, but I wrote a long article on the subject last year:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-john-mccain-jeffrey-epstein-and-pizzagate/

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Ron Unz

    I really see no reason to exclude top Republicans from this list either.

    , @Corvinus
    @Ron Unz

    I bear witness that you are once again avoiding two substantial issues. It is extremely easy to answer to my questions with a yes or no response. But the fact of the matter is that if you openly commit yourself to a position, then you have to defend it, and as a result, would come under undue scrutiny. So that is why it is beneficial for you to tacitly endorse the Fake News mantra among your brethren.

    Assuredly, you demonstrate a process for analyzing sources. It may be flawed in some cases in the outcome, but at least you take an approach that seemingly the fine consumers of your site choose not to. Why? Because it is less mentally taxing to investigate opposing positions. The more they can label anything and everything they disagree with as “Fake News”, the more they are reinforcing their predisposed beliefs. It’s intellectual suicide without realizing they are hemorrhaging.

    Ultimately, for a person who allegedly prides himself on offering analysis, your evasiveness demonstrates a patent hypocrisy on your part. But perhaps you are willing to redeem yourself.
    So, another crack at it.

    Yes or no–Are those who tout the media as AUTOMATICALLY being Fake News are wrong headed in light of how your approach to analyzing source/information?

    Yes or no–Are those who insist ALL of the mainstream media reporting are lies accurate or inaccurate?

    Please answer for the record.


    “Sure. Probably not *most* top Democrats, but very likely some of them. I’ve never paid attention to any of that crazy QAnon nonsense, but I wrote a long article on the subject last year.

    LOL, so you cite yourself as if your analysis is replete with factual evidence and truthful statements. And, once again, you offer “weasel words” like “probably” and “very likely”. The problem is that when you lend credibility to such things like Pizzagate, “probably” becomes “totally” and “very likely” becomes “absolutely”.

    I am looking for specific documents in the form of politician emails, FBI files, CIA analysis, previously secret video tapes now revealed—anything that directly implicates top Democrats in child pedophile rings. Supposition and hearsay, as well as sources with a known history of being other than perpetually accurate in their reporting, is not evidence to rely on, as you seemingly do.

    Now, at least you admit that QANON is “crazy nonsense”, but herein lies your quandary. A number of posters here DO believe in what QANON has to say as being absolutely true. There is an almost cult like following in this steady stream of misinformation and disinformation. I would say with a fair amount of certainty you are mindful of QANON, and allow it to remain a potent force on your blog. It's plausible deniability on your part. If anything, it brings in the desired digital traffic.

    Ultimately, your insistence that one must employ a particular strategy for analyzing information in a critical fashion falls on deaf ears who brazenly accept any and all QANON “drops” as being 100% accurate.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  287. @Thea
    @SFG

    They took over the law schools in the 60’s as well but this app just begs the question,

    Where did they come from to take over education and law in the first place.


    We've long had this strain of puritanical self righteousness unfortunately.

    Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost, @dfordoom

    We’ve long had this strain of puritanical self righteousness unfortunately.

    It started to gather steam in the mid-19th century. That was the beginning of the Age of Moral Panics, which is still with us.

  288. Anon[182] • Disclaimer says:

    Wokeness won because whites and blacks have different reactions to stress and bad events in their lives. Blacks under stress externalize their reactions and become violent and threatening to others. This is why black society is a nasty jungle of a mess and doesn’t work very well.

    Whites, by contrast, internalize stress and feel guilty. In one important sense, this is a pro-social reaction, because it protects the safety of others, and it’s a reaction that helps glue a successful society together. However, you get a disaster when you mix these two races together. Blacks take advantage of white’s propensity to feeling guilty and their excess of empathy.

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anon


    Whites, by contrast, internalize stress and feel guilty.
     
    Someone forgot to tell the Nazis.

    Replies: @sayless

  289. @Achmed E. Newman
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't recall ever seeing a gold border around one of the comments under iSteve (something lately makes me think Ron Unz gives them out). However, this comment ought to have one.

    Thank you, Physicist Dave! I would like to use this comment verbatim elsewhere, except with Mr. Pinson's name redacted, as he's a good commenter. OK with you?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @PhysicistDave

    Achmed E. Newman asked me:

    Thank you, Physicist Dave! I would like to use this comment verbatim elsewhere, except with Mr. Pinson’s name redacted, as he’s a good commenter. OK with you?

    Sure, with two provisos: Give me and Sailer’s blog credit unless there is some good reason not to do so (and I can imagine some good reasons not to!). And I am assuming you are not doing it to make money!

    By the way, a few years ago, I ran across a guy who had taken a long exchange in which I had been involved on the Web, edited out the irrelevancies, and then posted the result (he gave me credit). The bizarre thing was that when I started reading it, I did not remember at first that I had written it! The guy was a superb editor: his editing made me sound much more incisive than I thought I had been when I was in the discussion. All of which was fine with me since he gave me appropriate credit.

    All the best,

    Dave

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @PhysicistDave

    Of course, Dave. I should have spelled that out - I link directly to the comment too. No, we are not even trying to make any money. (That's one thing the wife just can't understand, so far.)

    I've read comments of my own from 2 or 3 years back and still sometimes think for 5 seconds, "is that me?"

  290. @Bill
    @Dave Pinsen

    The GOP winning all through the 80s and 90s on cultural issues didn't result in any victories on the actual cultural issues. Abortion is still legal. School prayer is still not. And things have gotten much, much worse all through that era of GOP ascendancy and dominance.

    So, you ask, the GOP accomplished nothing with all its political power? Far from it. They cut taxes on rich people enormously. Unions are gone. Defense contractors have a nice, growing business. Wall St is deregulated, and the economy has been financialized to a massive degree. The GOP has had great success in doing what they actually care about.

    The Trump presidency follows this pattern to a T.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @dfordoom

    The GOP winning all through the 80s and 90s on cultural issues didn’t result in any victories on the actual cultural issues.

    This is what Trump supporters don’t understand, and it’s what conservatives who waffle on about the Most Important Election Ever don’t understand. The Cultural Revolutionaries don’t care about elections. They never did. They did not win the Culture War through the ballot box.

    They won the Culture War by taking control of the culture. They always understood that elections were irrelevant.

    It’s also something that the idiot Christians of the Religious Right never understood. They were never ever going to achieve anything with their hopelessly naïve support of the GOP.

    If Trump wins the Most Important Election Ever the Cultural Revolution won’t stop, it will accelerate. It will go into overdrive.

  291. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Steve,

    I think that you are unfair to Kendi. Yes, he has a two-digit IQ, but sometimes you need a simple man to point out simple truths. Kendi, in fact, follows the logic of the blank-slaters (Left and Right) to its logical conclusion: Elimination of Whites.

    Now, are the blank-slaters incorrect that only nature matters? Of course. But their beliefs are now the orthodoxy of our society, so the facts must submit to the larger "Truth" - as every medieval scribe understood instinctively.

    Here are THE twin "Truths" of our society: All groups are equally capable and any deviation from equal outcomes is the result of conscious or unconscious bias by Whites.

    Everything springs from these Truths. So, let's follow the logic - as understood by Kendi and others.

    1. Various racial groups are not performing equally.

    2. Whites are to blame.

    3. Previous generations of White liberals have tried various policies - affirmative action, welfare programs, housing programs, Head Start - but they have failed. But for some reasons, these old White liberals keep trying the same thing over and over.

    4. Since groups are equal, the previous policies were strong enough to overcome White racism. We need even more draconian measures.

    Now, since groups aren't equally capable, those measure will get continually more intrusive. But, of course, they will never work. And they will never work (in the minds of our new POC overlords) because Whites simply refuse or are incapable of giving up their racism.

    At some point, the solution - let's call it the "final solution" - to the problem of unequal group outcomes will become clear: Elimination (or, maybe, just subjugation) of Whites.

    If you believe the twin Truths of our Theocracy (and every institution of these society does), that is the only logical conclusion.

    Replies: @New Dealer, @Steve Sailer

    But then who will lay the Golden Eggs?

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @Steve Sailer


    But then who will lay the Golden Eggs?
     
    It takes an entire White society to lay Golden Eggs, not just few pampered high IQ White fellas who get a special set aside. That has never worked. See the stagnation that India fell into long ago.

    Better to feel the pain now while we have chance of changing things. If their lily White asses suffer the same fate as working class Whites, they might get their head right.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    But then who will lay the Golden Eggs?

     

    Tiny Duck and Corvinus. Don't assume they're male. Or don't have access to hens.

    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/media/22961404/duckling-getty.jpg?mode=crop&width=675&height=379&quality=80&scale=both


    https://foxloft.com/files/2012/11/keepcalmraven.jpg

  292. @Reg Cæsar
    @SunBakedSuburb


    The left abandonment of class struggle is not obscured in anyway.
     
    Of course. But why did they abandon it? Because identity struggle is found to be a more efficient path to their true goal all along: unanswered power.

    Why do you think that no leftist group ever respects the other side's right to counter them? This is their one consistent feature.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The left abandonment of class struggle is not obscured in anyway.

    Of course. But why did they abandon it?

    Because if they abandoned the class struggle they could get lots and lots of lovely money from bankers and billionaires.

  293. @Dr. Robert Morgan
    Hugo Silva: "In my opinion this a religious phenomenon, Christianity for people who don’t believe in God, with the Blacks as sacred martyrs and the Whites showing their piety by uplifting the sacred martyrs."

    Not all the Woke are irreligious. In fact, all of the mainstream churches and even the Pope himself count themselves among the Woke. Wokeness is Christian ethics for the twenty-first century. The very name "Wokeism" harkens back to the outbreaks of religious fervor referred to as the Great Awakenings of Christian America. By some accounts there have been four of them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_awakening

    "Wokeism" is arguably a fifth wave, just Christian ethics in another form, where belief in Jesus and anything supernatural has become optional. The cultural triumph of Christianity has been so complete in the West that its key concepts are accepted without question: the so-called "brotherhood of man", the existence and equality of "souls" (often conflated with the mind), the wisdom of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", collective guilt (original sin), the supposed virtue to be found in begging forgiveness, etc. There's no evidence for any of that stuff, of course. But does that make it a separate religion? I say no. Though there are still many practicing Christians involved in it, and because of its borrowed concepts it strongly resembles Christianity, it's mostly secular and just political.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    In fact, all of the mainstream churches and even the Pope himself count themselves among the Woke.

    And the disordered:

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1318913622517579777

    Benedict, come back!

    On the other hand, if the Papacy survived the Florentines, it may get past this blip. A “civil union”, whatever the hell that is, is not a sacrament.

  294. @Steve Sailer
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    But then who will lay the Golden Eggs?

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Reg Cæsar

    But then who will lay the Golden Eggs?

    It takes an entire White society to lay Golden Eggs, not just few pampered high IQ White fellas who get a special set aside. That has never worked. See the stagnation that India fell into long ago.

    Better to feel the pain now while we have chance of changing things. If their lily White asses suffer the same fate as working class Whites, they might get their head right.

  295. @TGGP
    @Travis

    I recall that earlier Steve noted gays trumped blacks in cases like that Scrubs actor fired for a slur.

    Replies: @njguy73, @dfordoom

    I recall that earlier Steve noted gays trumped blacks in cases like that Scrubs actor fired for a slur.

    He’s correct. Gays trump blacks. And trannies trump gays.

    The fact that the LGBT crowd dominates the Coalition of the Fringes is significant. It allows white liberals to stay in charge.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @dfordoom


    The fact that the LGBT crowd dominates the Coalition of the Fringes is significant. It allows white liberals to stay in charge.
     
    That crowd also has immense amounts of money to fund candidates, campaigns, and ballot initiatives.

    A lot of that crowd paid a ton of money to make gay marriage and trans normalization happen.
  296. @Steve Sailer
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    But then who will lay the Golden Eggs?

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Reg Cæsar

    But then who will lay the Golden Eggs?

    Tiny Duck and Corvinus. Don’t assume they’re male. Or don’t have access to hens.


    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  297. @Corvinus
    @Ron Unz

    "Well, I’ll admit I haven’t been paying a great deal of attention to the election campaign. But offhand it does look like the Biden laptop bombshell is probably genuine..."

    You had just stated that in order to offer up a cogent analysis, one has to delve deeper into the source material. Yet, you offer a cursory perspective by way of weasel phrases--"offhand" and "probably genuine" in light of admitting you have not been focusing on the election! I find that hard to believe. I suppose in this manner, you do not have dig further into what extent the accusation has merit. I get it, though, for if you chose to investigate in an honest manner, you would realize this "story" has been essentially manufactured, and that would not bode well for your credibility here. But as a result of your tacit endorsement, your readers will continue to believe the Biden laptop is a "bombshell".

    "and the notion of Twitter (and Facebook?) banning America’s oldest newspaper for breaking the story seems utterly unprecedented".

    Perhaps the story itself lacked verification and was baseless on its face, as Fox News seemingly and ultimately decided. Thus, Twitter chose not to enable misinformation to run roughshod.

    You see what happens, for example, when the phenomenon known as QANON takes effect--Half of Donald Trump supporters think top Democrats are involved in child sex-trafficking.

    https://