Thank you Steve. Your writings are influential, so I’m glad that you’ve pointed out what a terrible idea dividing the United States is. A lot of conservative types imagine that they’ll be better off under “national divorce” circumstances, but nothing could be further from the truth. A North American nation without port access to both the Atlantic and Pacific will quickly fall under the dominion of either Mexico or Canada. Nobody understands this, but it’s true.

Speaking from the point of view of the human world, which has been subjected to American terrorism for some time between a century and two centuries, I couldn’t disagree more.

My white American colleagues agree.

The USA breaking up? That is a completely and totally crazy and insane idea. I know that commentators on the left and the right have been pushing this viewpoint for a while, but it is complete insanity. My history might be a little off, but didn’t United States already have a war regarding the issue of secession? No state or territory is going anywhere.

The United States it’s like a large and fractious family that might have a tranny cousin and/or a sibling married to a person of another race, but who still somehow gets along during the holidays.

ethnonationalism will break the USA apart eventually. Only problem is that blacks are totally dependent on white Americans for any meager civilization that they possess right now. Whites could go their own way but blacks will resist with everything they have.

Blacks without white people= Jamaica

Hispanics without white people= central Mexico

White people without minorities= Denmark

Ethnonationalism= Destiny of USA

When I was a little boy, my concept of apocalypse was clearly defined and absolute–My Parents Getting Divorced. I lived in perpetual prayer that it would never happen. But it did. And whattya know–my quality of life improved, dramatically. Citing current events in Ukraine is reductive. Think Czech and Slovakia.

A formal breakup may be impractical, but we could go a long way toward a de-facto breakup if conservative governments would be hardnosed about certain things. For example I read that Wyoming just killed the Department of Sexual Twistedness Studies, or something, in its state colleges. That kind of thing should happen a lot more often.

Steve,

Your current column does not mention the most important point, which I know you have made in the past: the US military will not tolerate a breakup of the USA.

In the abstract, I myself favor secession: city states worked pretty well in ancient Greece (until Macedonia intervened), in ancient Sumer (until Akkad intervened), in Renaissance Italy, etc.

But as a practical matter it cannot happen, because, as your current column mentions, the current division in the US is really cities vs. countryside and also because the military will exercise a veto.

Of course, since you and I live in California, there is also the little matter that an independent California means we are governed by the loons in the Bay Area and their many sympathizers in SoCal. We need Mississippi and Alabama to balance our moonbats.

Of course, as a resident of the Central Valley, I can hope that if California secedes, the new country would then allow the Central Valley to secede.

But somehow, I think they might not.

Breaking up the USA into smaller states would open the door for massive meddling in the new minor countries by both overseas powers and local neighbors, as the chronicles of the ex–Soviet Union suggest.

Ruled by China or Russia? How would we handle such freedom?

Anyway, I’d say it’s on those indifferent Americans in the MidWest and other areas to figure out if they have any loyalty to the rest of us. Otherwise, it’s getting so hard to keep this thing together. Being tired can be a force too.

Bit on the nose to make your pseudonym for this comment “John White”

“The United States it’s like a large and fractious family that might have a tranny cousin and/or a sibling married to a person of another race, but who still somehow gets along during the holidays.”

Apparently your mind has become unhinged. I can’t even begin to imagine what your family holidays are like in whatever alternate reality you occupy.

A North American nation without port access to both the Atlantic and Pacific will quickly fall under the dominion of either Mexico or Canada.

Until a few decades ago, Canada was forced to go through Portland, Maine in the winter, as all their Atlantic ports were frozen.

Breaking up the USA into smaller states would open the door for massive meddling in the new minor countries by both overseas powers and local neighbors, as the chronicles of the ex–Soviet Union suggest.

This is completely inapt. Are you seriously worried about Mexico or Canada “meddling” in the resulting American statelets? The more likely result is perfectly logical mergers with Canada’s western and eastern provinces and the US southwest merging into Mexico and Miami being the center of a new Caribbean union.

Russia could take over Mongolia, but it doesn’t. So could China, but it doesn’t. The US could take over the Caribbean and Central America, but it doesn’t. The South American ABC powers could carve up the place among themselves, but they don’t.

The only two other countries that matter, Russia and China, find Americans as baffling and alien as we find them. And they have no interest in inheriting hordes of negros and latinos.

Steve said in the previous article:

My impression is that the U.S. military very much enjoys representing the strongest, most ass-kicking country on earth

Sad. Our whole military is going to Russia.

Speaking for myself, I have no intention of settling for only part of the United States.

“the current division in the US is really cities vs. countryside”

Sorta, but more accurate would be Americans (viz. Whites) vs. looters (negroes, Jews, Asians, Muslims, Hispanics, etc).

“My history might be a little off, but didn’t United States already have a war regarding the issue of secession?”

My history might be a little off, but wasn’t there a war between Germany and France, Britain and Russia circa 1914-1918? Therefore it was a settled question, and no further wars were possible, nor did they happen.

“the United States of America, history’s mightiest country,”

Well, it was mighty before diversity became our strength. Think how much mightier we are now!

Bottom line: if you don’t get secession, then what you will get with the status quo is gradual but rapidly accelerating extermination of Whites from all North America. It’s just math at this point.

Thanks, Steve. You know I agree. Imagine some here calling themselves “American” and also willing to cede American territory. Couldn’t be me. “Separate nations” within current US borders? Hell no. Join or die.

Wait til the Supreme Court forces them to re-fund it.

Keep telling yourself things will go back to normal in another two weeks. Trump was an ineffective scream in reaction to the breakneck speed of the Overton window as it is transformed into the Overton guillotine. We have no partner to make peace with and internal economic group punishment was just experimented with complete success: with ports, we’ll have no ports.
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Break up the public school districts, but do NOT let them re-solidify. If a district were a pure substance, its pressure/temperature should be kept below/way_above the triple point.

To understand why this is so, look no further than recent school bond referenda. On 2/8, voters in Marlow, OK approved a \$34M bond (a 10% increase in property taxes), including \$7M for upgraded football facilities. Today, voters in Olathe, KS passed a \$298M bond. The margin was suspiciously > 2:1. The district touted the usual, fraudulent claim that the debt won’t raise taxes, but in the fine print buried the fact that had the bond measure failed, local school taxes would have gone down, i.e. an old bond is soon to be paid off.

No Kylie, I’m quite in reality. The better question is, are you operating in today’s United States? What I described is the present reality. You may not like it, but that really doesn’t make a difference whatsoever, does it?

As I said, America has become much more distorted and fractured, but somehow we still keep managing to function as a unit. Your subjective preferences really do not matter in this regard in any respect.

Let’s Not Break Up the USA

That is of course a wise sentiment.

However…………….a lot of people (like me) look at Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Joe Biden, Kamal Harris, Eric Swalwell, etc., and think: “I don’t want to be governed by that. And I don’t want to be governed by anybody who would vote for that. It’s not an unreasonable sentiment.

When your government spends most of its time vilifying you, blaming you for everything, making vague noises about extracting reparations from you, silencing your opinions, outlawing your political views and your ability to politically organize in your own defense – when it craps on your beliefs, and promotes the most appalling degeneracy (for example, appointing dudes in dresses and deviant transvestites with dog-f**king fetishes to responsible government offices and encouraging young people to mutilate and chemically castrate themselves), then national divorce begins to look like your best option.

Whether you blame poor Ukraine’s current agony most on Russia’s obvious aggressions or NATO’s subtle machinations is a matter of opinion, but the lesson is clear: If you can avoid it, don’t be Ukraine.

What if the alternative to being Ukraine in 2022 is being Cambodia in 1976?

Do you not view most leftist agitation as the equivalent of the mobs of Ancient Rome? As a fellow Californian I have little doubt that urban Californians lack both the ability and will to control most of the territory of this great state.

This current arrangement is the best the left will ever have…BLM rioters may look scary en mass in the Bay Area, but mobs are pretty worthless in the countryside, as most people in a mob are worthless in the countryside.

I certainly don’t want America to fracture, but what I find most fascinating is the idea held by many that partition would be at the state level: it most certainly would not. Most of California would remain under American control, including more coastal areas than one may think.

This is completely inapt. Are you seriously worried about Mexico or Canada “meddling” in the resulting American statelets? The more likely result is perfectly logical mergers with Canada’s western and eastern provinces and the US southwest merging into Mexico and Miami being the center of a new Caribbean union.

The danger is that the newly formed Republic of Woke (i.e. the seceded states of California, Oregon, and Washington), would turn to China for protection, ultimately concluding a military alliance with them. That would given China a military presence on the North American mainland.

I know – it sounds farfetched.

I’m sure it seemed farfetched to certain British Chieftans who invited German mercenaries to their islands to help them fight their wars, that their country would soon come to be ruled by them, speak their language, and that virtually every place name in “England” (Land of the Angles) would end up being germanic instead of celtic.

I’m sure it seemed farfetched to the Greek city states that invited the Romans into the Peloponnese to adjudicate their disputes that they would end up as provinces ruled by Rome for the next six hundred years or so.

Despite what Francis Fukuyama said, history doesn’t end.

For the sake of world peace (and sanity), the US regime must be and ultimately will be broken up. Here is how I think it should be broken up:
– The states that were conquered from Mexico will be returned to Mexico (except for California)
– California will have to broken up in a lot of little bits, turn the cities into independent city states, and the rural areas into a lot of separate entities.
– Emulate an India style partition by having large movements of various ethnic group
– Blacks will be moved to the Southern states
– Whites to the Mid West and North Eastern states
– Latins will move back the Mexico ruled states
– A lot of the more recent immigrants will not want to stay and move back to where they came from
– Washington DC will have to reduced to rubble to prevent the idea of reforming the US regime
– Alaska will be returned to Russia
– Haiwai will become independent
– Overseas military outposts such as Guam will be run by China
– All nuclear weapons will be dismantled

I am interested in what others think is the optimal way to break up the USA.

Let those White people and POCs who hate working-class Whites have nuclear weapons?

Let China take over the west coast by mass immigration, because the loonies would not resist because that would be racist? China could spare the 50 million or so to make it happen.

Would the useless eaters in charge allow the productive people to escape? Would they actually bring themselves to do real labor? How would the Progs deal with Blacks, once all the BadWhites are in another country and they have to give up their own stuff instead of ours to placate them?

You have written, Steve, about the only force binding the Coalition of the Fringes together being hatred of normal White people. Giving them anything simply means they’ll be after everything next week. How long after the break up before they declare war on us, with foreign support?

My personal forecast is economic collapse, followed by a vicious scramble in the ruins. I hope the foreigners stay out of it, for fear of nukes if nothing else.

During the Wars of the French Revolution, George Washington explained in his Farewell Address the high risk and low reward of foreign entanglements for us lucky Americans

The people who rule this country today do not care about risks or rewards for Americans.
Foreign entanglements are just another name for global investments. As capital is global the owners of it have no loyalty to any place or people. Bill Gates and George Soros are loyal to their bank accounts, which are digital and reside around the world.
A large part of our national demise is due to the fact that our elites have become, in essence, traitors. This was not true of earlier generations of American elites. Ruthless as they may have been, their personal success was tied to American success. Not so today. If America turns into a shithole they are not affected and don’t care.

Steve Sailer:

” the United States of America, history’s mightiest country”

The “mightiest country in history” that got wrecked in Vietnam, the “mightiest country in history” that got wrecked in Mogadishu in 1993, and the “mightiest country in history” that just a year ago withdrew from Afghanistan after 15 years of getting wrecked by a bunch of trebesman with little more than AK-47s. You know, for the “mightiest country ever”, you do have a really bad record of getting wrecked by countries about 100 X smaller than you in resources. If this is the track record of America as the “mightiest country ever”, then imagine how bad it would be if it weren’t. Thank goodness that it is the “mightiest country ever” ! Thank goodness that it is the “mightiest country ever” otherwise it would be in big trouble!

If you’re a dissident reactionary who is alienated by the wider culture, there are plenty of other solutions you could pursue before considering secession. Eg, various forms of political devolution. The talk about a “national divorce” (a strangely cloying, feminized term) is just a LARP.

Steve Sailer:

“and, most of all, the United States with its continent-spanning temperate zone”

I wouldn’t say that a climate where winter temperatures routinely drop to -22 F and reach 104 F during Summer is “temperate”. That is quite harsh. Compare that to, say, western Europe and the difference is obvious. Not to mention tornados that are pretty common in a lot of the U.S, as well as earthquakes in the west coast. Very, very little of the U.S actually has nice weather. The San Francisco Bay Area, some parts of the Appalachians, the northernmost part of Florida, etc.

What would your idea of the break up of the US look like? You can use this map making tool: https://paintmaps.com/map-charts/229/United-States-of-America-map-chart

A breakup may eventually happen (countries always do, eventually), but it will first be preceded by severe economic decline.

Once the USA loses the ability to finance the welfare state with deficit spending a whole lot of disruption is going to follow. Much of the current madness is driven by people who think the government should be able to finance anything without needing to levy taxes to pay for it. The collapse of that system will cause further madness.

What happens then is anyone’s guess, but the breakup of the United States will probably result from various factions fighting over the carcass.

Where is AUDACIOUS EPIGONE for the quality direct pundit rebuttal? (I think dissolution is the best theme search word: https://www.unz.com/?s=dissolution&Action=Search&authors=audacious-epigone&ptype=all) Best I can muster is sure, “don’t be Ukraine”, be Switzerland.

OT but funny – Retired German Chancellor Angela Merkel, age 67, has been robbed whilst shopping in Berlin at a delicatessen grocery, no word on whether the thief might have been one of the ‘Merkel’s million migrants’ she invited into Germany

Merkel’s bodyguard from the German Federal Criminal Police was unable to prevent the theft … Her stolen wallet contained Merkel’s ID card, debit card, driver’s license, and cash … Merkel went down to the police station to report the theft herself

Quite a trophy for some ruffian in Germany to have Merkel’s personal ID card framed on his wall

https://rmx.news/article/merkel-robbed-while-shopping-in-berlin/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seigniorage

USA is gliding on the profits of our old reserve currency status. The engine is out of fuel , but it can still glide for a long period.
Reserve currency has allowed us “deficit financing without tears” but that, too, will pass. And given our recklessness perhaps sooner than we think.

USA loses respect:
India voted neutral on RU sanctions despite all the jobs, tech we have outscored to them. So, too, did UAE take a neutral stance. Mexico has declined to sanction RU.
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-01-22/h_16ea9365f2eb3f81a9b5c09f85de66b9

Brazil’s primary concern is securing fertilizer supplies and they appear lukewarm on sanctions.

Two weeks from now, Putin will have secured the Eastern Ukraine, a wider land bridge to Crimea, and will hold Kiev. Yes, the invasion has aspects of a debacle, but he will have secured some negotiating chips, and I suspect that we will accept his terms of a neutral Ukraine rump state with the eastern regions being annexed.

The net result is further loss of credibility for the USA, and a migration as fast as possible away from SWIFT, and reserve currency status that we have had since 1939. It will be hard for USA’s “advanced services economy” as Nat Review’s Lowry described it, to pay its way on its intrinsic merits.

outbreak of armored warfare

Sure but our crime rate is pretty much the same as a low intensity war. The citizens of Baltimore live in a war zone that ExgarAllen Poe would not recognize as his home.

I grew up in South Florida. The weather is miserable pretty much every single day without relief. Without air conditioning it is uninhabitable.

I developed a theory as a teen that people of European descent do not belong in the tropics but few people agree with me.

Look at the whining about civilian casualties in Ukraine. Other than Operation Meetinghouse every city and village in Afghanistan and Vietnam, we couldn’t win in a timeframe American voters would tolerate. And most voters won’t tolerate that.

For the moment, the secession and break up of the US is just a fantasy. If anything, the trend has been towards the opposite, increasing centralization and less independence to each state. While the US remains a military/cultural power, it will remain united.

Although, paradoxically, in an increasingly globalized world, frontiers and nations mean less and less.

What is the point of being a “united country” is its population is a diversified Babel?

But if things get really bad, in terms of economic crisis and foot shortages, I don’t see the US remaining united for very long. I think within a 100 years or so, we will see very different maps emerging, both in Europe and in America. But I cannot say exactly how it will be.

Well, breakup might seem like an insane idea but if we remain on this insane trajectory that we’re on, it’s inevitable.

The dollar is nearing collapse. Our industrial base has been gutted. We’re facing demographic catastrophe as the foundational stock is being displaced/replaced, try maintaining a first world country with a third world population. We have a political (((elite))) that is racing us toward a cliff, bullying any other country we have a disagreement with, creating enmity & hatred around the world. We have an “educational” establishment that teaches White children to hate themselves, their history & their country.

We didn’t have to go down this route. But we did. If we don’t do an immediate 180 on our current path then collapse & breakup is as inevitable as the sun rising in the east..

It is not a question of intent, but of historical inevitability.

Of course there is no “scientific” explanation, but I’ll use analogies.

From the beginning to the assassination of JFK, the US was basically a nation. It was founded by Anglo-Protestants with some other NW Europeans thrown in, and later with other Europeans added (which caused friction), but they’ve more or less assimilated. Blacks were not Americans, but they were an American national minority.

When Churchill and Roosevelt met to sign the Atlantic charter in 1941, they clearly indicated that Americans and British share the essential common heritage.

In the past 60 or so years the US has been transformed beyond recognition. This is not a nation; there is not an American people anymore; various other visibly different groups (Muslims, Chinese, Indians, …) are not supposedly new Americans.

When newly arrived non-European immigrants arrive, they may pledge the allegiance, but they are not the new “we” who will consider Washington, Franklin, Lincoln, …. as their historical heritage & identity. I know it’s a bit funny when Italian-Americans say “we” and mean George Washington, but for Africans or Muslims it is impossible. It is not funny, but completely absurd.

New, multicultural “Americans” are a hollow entity. What is “American” about them is basically a combination of baseball, English (when they adopt it) and segments of trivial popular culture. Even the most cultured or “advanced” among them don’t see Franklin, Whitman or Twain being “them”, or having an affinity with those defining American historical figures.

In other words, multicultural Americans don’t have much in common with historical Americans- and this is a definite divide no one can bridge.

The first business of Government is the maintenance of order. Talk about an action delegitimizing government……..

Here’s your handbook for the next few decades….

If you have lost the UAE, then you have lost Mexico.

All the important Western nations have sanctioned Russia on a level never seen before. The ruble has crashed and is now worth less than a penny.

Good point. If you really want to keep the United States intact then you have to keep out all the troublesome non-white immigrants. Racial diversity will ultimately lead to the breakup of the United States whether we want it to or not.

Anonymous[273] wrote to me:

I certainly don’t want America to fracture, but what I find most fascinating is the idea held by many that partition would be at the state level: it most certainly would not. Most of California would remain under American control, including more coastal areas than one may think.

Well, the state lines are already drawn, so it is easier to break things up that way. That is of course basically what happened with the Soviet Union, and the result is less than perfect, as the world is now learning.

There is an entertaining series of novels by conservative author Kurt Schlichter about the country breaking up due to the Left choosing to secede: he predicts bitter fighting within states that are divided by the Split.

Initially, the novels were intended to be over-the-top satires of the Left. Unfortunately, in 2022 they no longer seem so over-the-top.

Schlichter started out as a non-Trumper who got red-pilled. He is ex-military (served in Desert Storm and Kosovo), so the fighting scenes ring true (except, of course, our hero always survives!).

“Subtle”? LOL, Steve.

Since when does anyone want to break up the USA?

No no no Steve…we want to kill each other.

Jack D wrote:

The ruble has crashed and is now worth less than a penny.

Jack, the ruble was already worth less than 2 cents in 2015.

Russia had hyper-inflation back in the ’90s.

It’s percentage changes that matter. The current crash in the ruble is reversible if Putin pulls this off.

Anyone who wants to bet on a decisive Russian victory could consider buying rubles now. (Warning: currency speculation is financially dangerous!)

The argument here is entirely premised on the idea that preserving the union is necessary in order that “we” are powerful enough to guard against adversaries meddling in our affairs. The problem is our adversaries are not outside our borders; they are here, and they do not simply meddle in our affairs, but have almost total control of them. This is like the Tibetans worrying that if they escaped the Chinese yolk they might fall prey to the Americans.

Conservative and right-wing Whites need to purge from their mind the thought that they have any say in the United States whatsoever. The GOP can win 90 seats in the senate and 400 in the house every cycle for the next twenty years, and the culture and every institution that matters still will be further to left and more anti-White than they are now. Every one of us knows this in our bones.

The only way out of this grim arrangement, is to get out. As long as we are yolked to the United States, our country will never represent us. It is as simple as that.

Jack D wrote:

If you have lost the UAE, then you have lost Mexico.

AMLO has said he wants Mexico to be neutral. And Israel has been rather cagey.

If Ukraine wins militarily (extremely unlikely) or if Russian opposition forces Putin to withdraw (unlikely unless it turns out to be a quagmire), then most countries will turn on Russia.

But if Putin pacifies Ukraine in the next few months, then most of the world, including the West, will eventually return to business as usual with Russia (the oligarchs may not be able to vacation on the Riviera for a while).

The West has an attention span a bit longer than the Superbowl.

Sorry, you are living in the past. There is no common culture any more that you refer to. Do your best to live the remainder of your years hiding in your closet, but for those of us who do not want to live in a closet, there is very little worth preserving.

KNOW YOUR ENEMY.

"When we win, do not forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny" – Sam Hyde.

— RAMZPAUL (@ramzpaul) June 25, 2018

Trying to keep USA together? I wonder if forced anti-White policies help. Here we see an ad for HR that 10 seconds has a woman refer to herself as the “Chief why is this place so White officer”.

Every corporation must be anti-White to comply with federal law.

Thread at bottom of Americans and others who considered extending NATO to Russian borders to be a very bad idea likely to lead to conflict. Useful when you get accused of being a Russian troll or Putin’s accomplice.

George Kennan in 1998

Henry Kissinger in 2014

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

US Ambassador to SU Jack F. Matlock Jr in 1997

“the most profound strategic blunder, [encouraging] a chain of events that could produce the most serious security threat […] since the Soviet Union collapsed”

Clinton Defence Secretary William Perry, “explaining in his memoir that to him NATO enlargement is the cause of “the rupture in relations with Russia” and that in 1996 he was so opposed to it that “in the strength of my conviction, I considered resigning”.”

UN Deputy Sec-Gen Pino Arlacchi (“NATO is the root cause of the Russian crisis”)

CIA Director Bill Burns in 2008 – “Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for [Russia]” and “I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests”

Aussie PMs Fraser “the move east [by NATO is] provocative, unwise and a very clear signal to Russia”. He adds that this leads to a “difficult and extraordinarily dangerous problem.”

and Keating

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/03/ukraine-theres-no-way-out-unless-the-west-understands-its-past-mistakes

US Defence Sec Robert Gates

Sir Roderic Lyne, former British ambassador to Russia, warned a year ago that “[pushing] Ukraine into NATO […] is stupid on every level.” He adds “if you want to start a war with Russia, that’s the best way of doing it.”

Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, John Mearsheimer, Stephen Cohen, economist Jeffrey Sachs (“”NATO enlargement is utterly misguided and risky. True friends of Ukraine, and of global peace, should be calling for a US and NATO compromise with Russia.””), as well as people like Chomsky.

Most fascinating thing about the Ukraine war is the sheer number of top strategic thinkers who warned for years that it was coming if we continued down the same path.

No-one listened to them and here we are.

Small compilation 🧵 of these warnings, from Kissinger to Mearsheimer.

— Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand) March 1, 2022

My history might be a little off, but didn’t United States already have a war regarding the issue of secession? No state or territory is going anywhere.

lmao. Because one war fought 160 years ago dictates all the future.

Your normalcy bias is showing, little denialist.

Either way the US goes, it will end up with right-wing death squads roving the land, because the left won’t let anyone live in peace.

While many fantasies about separation are out there, its really not that a bad idea or unprecedented, most of us just have a normalcy bias. I believe the country will crack up by or before 2032.

History will view the the 250 year experiment of the United States as an anomaly, and then focus on the various warring city-states that emerge. It will be like the brief times when Greece was under the thumb of one or more empires and then broke apart and quarreled with one another.

California will end up like ancient Israel/Judah, two separate entities that pretend to be one from time to time but really are different countries, until the Big One hits and wipes out all of Southern California. Texas will take Louisiana and thus dominate trade throughout Latin America and become the wealthiest section.

What I described is the present reality. You may not like it, but that really doesn’t make a difference whatsoever, does it?

lmao. “Everyone has a tranny cousin and sleeps outside their race! That’s what TV says, so it must be true!”

As I said, America has become much more distorted and fractured, but somehow we still keep managing to function as a unit.

lol. Citation needed, little denialist.

Let those White people and POCs who hate working-class Whites have nuclear weapons?

They already have them. All of them. I presume that a Red-state America would get some share of the nuclear stockpile, but if not, they’ll have at least as many as they do now, which is zero.

You have written, Steve, about the only force binding the Coalition of the Fringes together being hatred of normal White people. Giving them anything simply means they’ll be after everything next week. How long after the break up before they declare war on us, with foreign support?

Yes, we are ruled over by a coalition that is held together by a shared opposition (hatred is probably putting it too strongly) to us, I agree. To me, that is obviously a point in favor of separation, not against it.

Conservative quislings often talk about all the nasty things that leftists would do to us if we were a separate country, including waging war. I think these fears are exaggerated, as polls show they are nearly as in favor a national divorce as we are. But again, if they hate us that much, it is all the more reason that we should want to be out from under their direct control. As it stands now, they have an army and we don’t. At least if we had our own country we would have some tangible means of defending ourselves, and not be left to impotently wailing about the hypocrisy of them using their power against us illiberally.

Ok Steve, how about Califirnia and other blue states take back all of the immigrants and transplants that they have flooded my state with. There should also be a real move to take power away from Washington, and we both know none of that will happen.

I assume that most people understand that a break-up would have problems like resource wars, long-running feuds, regional domination, foreign meddling….but we already have all of that as a nation. Americans just haven’t started killing each other yet. Considering our undeclared one-sided race war that the Establishment accepts and pushes, and the fact that the blue side is committed to replacing the rest of us with immigrants it’s pretty obvious that we are already in an undeclared war. Why not break up? Some sort of new order seems to be in the making whether anyone likes it or not.

No SOTU thread?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10567679/Biden-confuses-Ukraine-Iran-State-Union-address.html

‘Putin may circle Kiev with tanks, but he’ll never gain the hearts and souls of the Iranian people,’ Biden said.

Just after he finishes saying ‘Iranian,’ Vice President Kamala Harris can be seen behind Biden mouthing the correct word, ‘Ukrainian.’

Freudian slip?

Best comment – “60 million Joe Biden voters will be turning in their graves”

Why do you think the dollar is collapsing? Why can’t gross national debt to GDP reach 300% like in Japan? Japan hasn’t collapsed yet either. It’s been unhealthy for 30 years and will be for the long term future but no collapse is on the horizon.

This is the same clip I posted three days ago

https://www.unz.com/isteve/so-whats-happening-in-the-war-are-your-predictions-coming-true/#comment-5200351

“we still keep managing to function”

“to function” seems like a rather low bar to me. A recent survey of skill and competence of medical staff” placed the U.S. number 27 among countries. (Japan was number one.). The “Democracy Index” of The Economist placed The U.S. also at 28th. (Norway was number one.) PISA scores, the same number. Hmmm, a pattern, the 28th-ness of us. But of course, 28th is an aggregate. There are places where you might get pushed from the subway platform onto the tracks, and there are places where that’s not a worry you have on your way to work. This comes down to the frustrations, humiliations, and compromises of everyday life. In some places, sorry, you must endure those, while in some places you do not.

You’re right, of course. War is almost always worse. But right now it does seem some sort of low-level conflict: Attacks in the streets and schools (or the fear thereof), white women paraded as war trophies, taboos on speaking or acting in your own group interest.

But yes, it could be worse. I have to remember: things can (and will) change.

The best course of action would be a constitutional one whereby power is returned to the states—much like the way we started. Certain military, diplomatic and even economic realities would have to remain at the federal level. But all the civil rights and social decisions should be returned to the states. Most revenue and spending should revert too. Social sec, medicare and medicaid should be disbanded and done at the state level. So on and so forth.

then what you will get with the status quo is gradual but rapidly accelerating extermination of Whites from all North America. It’s just math at this point.

Just the way the Moors wiped out all native Spanish and the Ottomans wiped out every Greek.

The U.S.A. is in a lot more danger of being absorbed into the globalist borg, where one “better get their pronouns correct” or one will lose access to one’s bank account, than of breaking up into multiple independent, locally ruled, states.

> Where is AUDACIOUS EPIGONE for the quality direct pundit rebuttal?

It was my understanding that AnotherDad had reserved that role, on this particular iSteve talking point.

Here is the nicest place I have found to show the ruble behavior since the mid-2000s.

Click on “All” to see it back to 2006.

Playing around with the interface shows that, during that time, the ruble has never been worth much more than 4 cents. (Note that the vertical axis does NOT start at zero!)

And it has been under 2 cents most of the time since 2015.

For the last couple years it has been generally running under 1 1/2 cents.

Yeah, it has fallen recently, but the news media saying that it is now under 1 cent gives people the impression that it has recently fallen from a “reasonable” value, say a dollar or so, to below a cent.

That is not the case: it is the hyper-inflation of the 1990s that really killed the ruble.

I haven’t read the column yet but just did a quick ctrl-f (in the iPad sense) for the word “Federalism”. Nada. How ’bout in the comments here? Nada.

There WERE many ALMOST separate countries in this land until not that awful long ago! They called ’em “States”, and they still do, even now, when they are behaving and being treated like nothing but districts or provinces by the Feral Gov’t.

The Founders of this country were smarter than most. Even though this country was run entirely by White Men, a big majority of British extraction, with real Federalism again, this ultra-diverse Tower of Babel might be able to hang together. The Founders created the Federal Gov’t for the main purpose of a common defense. That’s all it SHOULD be for!

There is far too much diversity at this point for this place to stay together as it is. I would not want to be part of the Totalitarian Police State, a Yugoslavia on steroids, that it’s going to take to keep it together. (That’s what it’s been becoming for a long while, accelerated by the problems of the immigration invasion and “civil rights”.)

I want no part in BEING together with many of these people period. It’s not just the policies but the fact that my labor is being stolen for the use of those with opinions and lifestyles anathema to me that makes me want out. Simple solution: Devolve the power back to the State and people where it belongs, per Amendment X.

One of the silver linings to have come out of the Covid PanicFest was the visibility of, and a modicum of respect for, Federalism again. Go Gators! Go DeSantis!

The first reason America can’t break up is nukes.

Who gets the nukes?
Why would the less-nuclear territory agree to leave the nuclear umbrella? Why would the more-nuclear territory not simply annex the lesser for the tax revenues? This isn’t a breakup, it’s just moving the capital.

The second reason America can’t break up is the Fed and reserve currency.

Who gets the Eccles Building?
If the new countries don’t retain control of the Fed, they need their own currency or they’ll get jacked by default. Except they can’t have their own currency because it won’t have reserve status and they’ll have to balance their budget or they will rapidly descend into South American and/or Greek status. Total basketcase. Do I have to mention how laughable a balanced budget is as an idea? Genuinely kind of funny.

The third reason America can’t break up: where would they go?

The American empire is world-spanning. Won’t even let places like Ukraine or Taiwan out of its grasp. The idea of having the next-door-neighbour leave is also genuinely kind of funy. Even if there were de jure divisions there would be no de facto divisions.

So do you think the breakup of the USSR was a bad thing, Steve?

Exactly.

Bardon Kaldian wrote:

New, multicultural “Americans” are a hollow entity. What is “American” about them is basically a combination of baseball, English (when they adopt it) and segments of trivial popular culture. Even the most cultured or “advanced” among them don’t see Franklin, Whitman or Twain being “them”, or having an affinity with those defining American historical figures.

You don’t live in the US, do you, BK?

It’s more complicated than you claim.

My best friend in high school was half-Japanese: mom from Japan, dad was Caucasian, and my friend was born in Western Pennsylvania.

He was culturally and politically as “American” as the rest of us.

America has historically had an enormous power of acculturation.

It’s true of course that those who immigrate as adults cannot themselves fully acculturate. But their kids and especially their grandkids tend to.

And no doubt it is possible to overwhelm the process if the numbers get too large. Furthermore, it is also true that Europeans tend to acculturate fastest, followed it seems by East Asians.

But it is really crucial to admit that the real assault on Western Civilization has come from within. Everything from Marxism to critical theory to transgenderism are Western inventions.

No foreigners have done this to us.

We — or rather our elites — are doing this to ourselves.

The fact that too much immigration is not a good idea must not blind us to the blunt fact that the real enemy of our civilization is the, overwhelmingly White, ruling elite.

BTW, the first argument against my comment would logically be (what our Physicist Dave wrote) that we are mixed together right down to the level of voting precincts. That’s true. It might take a decade or a generation, but “experiments in democracy” (in some cases now, something else entirely) CAN STILL WORK.

Federal power would have to be taken. That’s where the worries about violence come in. It will not be given up easily. The stupid bastards that let the Feds usurp State power over the years are wholly responsible for any bloodshed involved there.

The problem is that it is becoming increasingly obvious that t he Left will not allow political devolution. When states are allowed not to recognize same-sex “marriage” maybe that will be a solution.

Achmed E. Newman wrote:

BTW, the first argument against my comment would logically be (what our Physicist Dave wrote) that we are mixed together right down to the level of voting precincts.

Oh, I agree with you. Federalism is far from perfect, simply because nothing human is perfect.

But federalism is far, far better than any known alternative.

we are mixed together right down to the level of voting precincts.

There’s a solution for that. It rhymes with “clethnic eansing.”

Yes, just as the decision by Trudeau to shut down banking for donors to the truckers’ convoy led to an apparent bank run, a lot of countries are going to be looking at their reliance on the SWIFT system with a gimlet eye.

Transnistria in Moldova

Odessa was the easternmost and last major stop on our honeymoon in July 2020. On our way between Transylvania and there, we passed through Moldova and the Transnistria disputed region.

– Whites to the Mid West and North Eastern states

Why let the enemy consolidate their gains while we retreat to a weaker position?

If we are going to hand-wave population transfers, let’s deport those and their descendants who are here post 1965.

If the USA breaks up, then there is no more USA to meddle in internal affairs with color revolutions and start wars.

The rest of the world prays to be free from us. Only the stupid and those who can’t see past gibs and toys want to be here.

OT Stuff the Ukraine is meant to distract you from: the Merkelboner continues apace. Morocco, which was decades ago allowed to invade a Spanish North African territory by boldly sending civilians and just defying the Spanish to shoot them (as India does at the Bangladesh border), has now invaded a mainland Spanish city by boldly sending civilians and just defying the Spanish to shoot them.
I’m still not getting why we don’t shoot them. You wouldn’t be killing all of them. They’re famously cowardly people. You would shoot one, and the rest would flee, and stay away.

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Ataque a la valla de Melilla: más de 2.000 inmigrantes ilegales han intentando asaltar la frontera y más de 500 lo han logrado.

España tiene un Gobierno débil y esto tiene serias consecuencias que sufrirán los españoles.

¡Tenemos que blindar nuestra Frontera Sur! pic.twitter.com/kTNQRCoAV0

— VOX 🇪🇸 (@vox_es) March 2, 2022

🇪🇸🇲🇦De nuevo, se agravan las tensiones con Marruecos, y el vecino alauita parece “no hacer demasiado” con las oleadas de inmigrantes. pic.twitter.com/o5O4plrd8E

— ENTRE GUERRAS (@entre_guerras_) March 2, 2022

That’s Mexico tomorrow. This is why our scum leadership caste is talking about Ukraine.

We stay at a lovely hotel near the Grand Trunk Building when we visit Portland.

https://www.portlandlandmarks.org/grand-trunk-railroad-office-building

My idea for breaking up the US.

I think it starts with a MAGA country that wishes to be mostly rural, whiter, live according to socially conservative values, and free from election cheating. The last part will be the trigger for secession. It will include Texas because a sovereign country needs ocean access (or else surrounding countries can block the borders if MAGA decides to ban abortion, etc.) Texas has cities and racial diversity but at least the big cities are more conservative than other big US cities and the diversity is mostly better-assimilated Latinos.

Greater California takes shape because MAGA split the USA apart.

The State of Deseret because the Mormons want to be both socially conservative and racially inclusive.

The remainder of the US will be huge because I think the biggest inconvenience problem to deal with after deciding on the split is the management of the nuclear forces. Two weeks ago this wasn’t a big concern but now it will preoccupy minds. The remaining part of the US has to be big enough to maintain the deterrence and even operate the missile fields in MAGA as foreign bases.

This map is made to get the conversation started on what a breakup could sensibly look like and most importantly what goals the MAGA country sets to secure. Create your own map.

Devil’s Advocate.

World government for world peace.

If we do to the law talkers what Henry VIII did to the monks, and in their welcome absence erect an unapologetic apartheid system within a reasonable civic nationalism framework, not one ethny need be cleansed, not one district map redrawn, not one neighborhood need be bothered. The interlopers can keep their loot, which is really all that most care about. They could even spend their free hours in a fake and thoroughly day-glo suffrage movement.
MAKE THE VOTE REAL
REQUIRE PHOTO ID
TAKE THE VOTE AWAY FROM THE ENEMIES OF THE CONSTITITION
One step and you’re done without violence.

Alienation hits both left and right. Antifa and such are the left’s response. Daydreaming about separate nations is apparently the right’s way to cope. Something more productive and unifying would be nice from both sides.

The tragedy is that occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party never realized they were on the same side.

Some of us have decided that we’re part of a large and fractious family that we’ve stopped getting together with.

A Phlebotomist Party would strive
For a Washington barely alive.
Kill Amendment XVI:
A New Switzerland seen
With the sovereign states free to thrive.

I did live in the US & saw that the dominant current narrative was all- fake.

What you write about is a description of a wealthy society which can function only if one group remains dominant, in this case Euro-Americans; also, if this society is not under great stress of poverty or some other crisis.

One must take into account historical culture & various classes.

You may say whatever you want, but the general culture of a real country is multilayered & there has to be some core group, if this country is to be treated as something real, and not as de Gaulle thought of Americans- a bunch of rootless individuals or segments of tribes bent on economic exploitation and nothing more.

The US is an extension of, first, Britain & later, Europe. And then- stop. Teddy Roosevelt was right when he halted Asian immigration in the US. This is as far as one can go.

First- race. Blacks, with very few exceptions, cannot- even if they wanted to – feel to have anything in common with historical America, let alone with roots of that country, from Aristotle to Caesar and Britain. It is the same in a more colored country like Brazil. Blacks there don’t give a hoot about the history of that country, as a meaningful entity. Putting sensitive IQ question aside, there is no black intelligentsia, or middle class anywhere, that would possess any emo connection with anything Western (Greek heritage, Christianity & scientific rational spirit). What you are writing about is not a reality of Jamestown Americans, nor of Ellis Island Americans.

You write about the likes of Maz Jobrani, Iranian-American comedian (whom I like, although I disagree with him on many points- which doesn’t matter, because he’s a comedian). The guy is married to an Indian, is your typical urban newer American, but has nothing in common with “deep roots” of American identity.

Let’s take a quick look- who are the high priests of American historical identity? Who are all those professors of history, languages, arts, literature etc. etc. ? You’ll generally find people of broadly European extraction (mostly NW European) plus a sizable portion of assimilated Jews. You won’t find blacks interested in French literature; you won’t find Muslims interested in Catholic philosophy; you won’t find Hindu Indians writing encyclopedic works on Western musicology.

And without the field one could call the humanities & the way of life -there is no nation. No nation can remain founded mostly on STEM or, at the lower level, popular culture.

Ricardo Duchesne was right in his critique of Nial Ferguson’s neo-con liberal delusions: for a culture to flourish & continue, you have to have a combination of race and culture, which, in the case of the West- and the US in particular- is not replaceable, nor universal, and not as superficial as many seem to think.

https://reviews.history.ac.uk/review/1225

Civilization: The Six Ways the West Beat the Rest

Indeed, the Devil’s has got his money’s worth in legal council. I’d like a world in which the Devil was only appointed an AA Pubic Defender.

“Listen, the deal we made is you go back to your lair in George Soros’ basement in return for the remaining souls of the members of the US Congress.” “Wait, but that’s, like, only 17!” “Hey, I just work here. I gots fried chicken to pick up for the chillens. We done here.”

Agree, LOL, and Thanks

And it seemed far-fetched to this guy in 1166 that the Normans he brought in as mercenaries would run all of Ireland until 1922, and would still have the northern part in 2022.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diarmaid_mac_Murchadha

My personal forecast is economic collapse, followed by a vicious scramble in the ruins.

The money printer is the true heart of GAE’s power. It is how they pay for all the rackets and grift.

Russia has yet to employ her best economic weapons by restricting commodity exports.

The division can’t be “cities vs. countryside” unless you are counting suburban areas and small to mid-sized cities as countryside. Less than 20 % of the US is rural, but the amount of conservatives is way higher.

We’re facing demographic catastrophe as the foundational stock is being displaced/replaced, try maintaining a first world country with a third world population.

This will be a key part of the collapse as Boomers and older Xers age out of the workforce and are replaced by younger deviant and vibrant snowflakes.

Whites in the South will never leave the South in any breakup scenario. Same probably goes for the Southwest. People like living in these places (look where people have moved during the pandemic) and aren’t giving it up for inferior geography and climate.

“Steve Sailer finally comes out and admits that his halcyon Boomer vision of America should be preserved on paper even if it’s totally dysfunctional and tyrannical in practice.

The logical end point of Sailer’s civnattery is preservation of a failed multiracial nation for the sake of empire and status quo.”

https://gab.com/kingofallnads/posts/107885506461821438

My best friend in high school was half-Japanese: mom from Japan, dad was Caucasian, and my friend was born in Western Pennsylvania.

He was culturally and politically as “American” as the rest of us.

America has historically had an enormous power of acculturation.

It’s true of course that those who immigrate as adults cannot themselves fully acculturate. But their kids and especially their grandkids tend to.

I know a Chinese couple who came here in their 20s and had two sons. The kids were raised in mostly white communities, went to mostly white schools, had mostly white friends, eventually married white women. Now in their 40s, they (the kids) are as American as anyone whose ancestors came over on the Mayflower. It’s been awhile since I’ve been in touch with them, but I’ll bet they voted for Trump.

I know a blonde, blue-eyed California girl (my ex-wife) whose grandparents all came from other countries (Sweden, Germany, Mexico).

And no doubt it is possible to overwhelm the process if the numbers get too large.

What happens when the numbers get large is that enclaves form. The children born into and raised in these enclaves don’t assimilate into the larger American culture.

Let’s Not Break Up the USA

Now who’s the extremist?

Mike, along with Mr. McG’s point, I’ll add the main reason that this stuff doesn’t happen, or if it happens, it doesn’t “take” – not for long.

It’s the money, stupid! No, wait, it’s the FLOW of the money, stupid! (not you, personally, of course — it’s an expression) Because unaware American imbeciles back a hundred years ago let Amendment XVI and income tax laws come into being, along with American imbeciles right now who should freaking know better never fighting it, the flow of the money is from the People to the Feds, and then to the States or back to the people … if you are nice and be good.

The States are so beholden to the Feral Gov’t now, that they can’t do very much on their own. It takes more guts, anyway, as in having to put up with residents and other politicians noting that YOU are the reason we don’t have our (cookies and milk) money! How are you going to withhold personal income tax money from your residents from the Feds?

That’s why Peak Stupidity‘s coming proposal for an Amendment XXVIII – that’s 28, errr, veintiocho, for those of you in Pico Rivera – is so important.

All money for the Federal Gov’t is to be raised by the various States, in the manner they see fit. The monies to be transferred by each of the various States shall be determined by its proportion of the US population as determined by the most recent census multiplied by the most recent year’s national budget expenditure.

All debt incurred in the national budget shall be covered by the Senators and Congrefsmen of the previous session and their estates; those not making whole their portion of the deficit budget will be subject to drawing and quartering or povnd-me-in-the-aff gaol.

Peak Stupidity is still working on some of the wording and olde-timey speffing. This is urgent, so we’ve got a whole legal team on it. They’re working in shifts.

The fallacy here is CIA’s standard subliminal message that change means violence. Right, don’t be Ukraine, be Czechoslovakia. No less a mind than George Kennan became a splittist. Part of his rationale was making the USA less of a menace to the world.

But you’d have to combine dismemberment with Kevin Barrett’s idea up there of tribunals for CIA’s crimes against humanity and peace. Otherwise the Langley rump would just squirt everybody with variolabolarola till they get us nuked.

The unspoken reality is that politicians on both sides don’t want to let go of the restraining influence of the others. Democrat politicians don’t want to actually do “climate action” and deal with the resulting 6\$ a gallon gas and Republican politicians don’t want to ban abortion and cause a baby boom among welfare mothers. The union allows them to virtue signal and then blame the other side for the signaling not being turned into action.

city states worked pretty well in ancient Greece

They fought each other constantly between Olympic games and Persian invasions. The golden age of Athens was a lot shorter than Rome’s or ours for that reason.

A rebirth of federalism is our best hope for continued Union, but that’s completely counter to Progressivism, which must save the whole world. The coming bankruptcy of the federal govt may make it all moot.

“The United States it’s like a large and fractious family that might have a tranny cousin and/or a sibling married to a person of another race, but who still somehow gets along during the holidays.”

Such people would be disowned in my family.

“the current division in the US is really cities vs. countryside”

Sorta, but more accurate would be Americans (viz. Whites) vs. looters (negroes, Jews, Asians, Muslims, Hispanics, etc)

I don’t think so, the white political divide is real. Urban whites align with smaller groups to outvote country whites. The rest is balance of power politics where the smaller groups exercise strength through block voting with one of the dominant blocks.

My overarching comments for iSteve are as follows
1) A scary portion of brutality and murders occur within the family. The proximity creates expectations and exaggerates differences. Dividing won’t fix this problem, only shift it. Better to find mechanisms to learn to live together. (stop crying to the courts to legislate is a start)
2) when you say “things can’t get any worse”, nature takes it as a challenge.

But Steve, you haven’t actually abolished power; the minor states ARE already being “meddled with”, are actually being dictated to. Its just they are being dictated to by the DC government. If we had control over our own national guard units (and perhaps our own regional currency) we’d be in a better position to negotiate with either the DC government or other foreign powers.

The overwhelming majority of competent members of the U.S. military identify with Red States. So if (more likely when) Balkanization occurs, I suspect the Red State areas will be just fine in terms of deterring and repelling foreign militaries.

The Blue State areas, on the other hand, will be open game for Latin American Cartel expansion, and entrepreneurial Asian generals.

and if the state’s had control over their own currency and their own national guard units, the jewish ayatollahs could make as many rulings as they felt like being ignored.

Oh, I agree with you. Federalism is far from perfect, simply because nothing human is perfect.

But federalism is far, far better than any known alternative.

My third overarching comment for Steve is that the Madison intersectional model of a republic.
Madison was perhaps the original intersectionalist.

The smaller the political unit, the more easily it will be captured by a specific interest group. Note how easily school boards are captured by the Teachers Union. As we scale up the political unit, two things happen
1) more interest groups emerge that will compete with each other,
2) more people find they have interests in more than one group.

Madison conceived of political systems that would make permanent change hard, thus leveraging the constantly shifting interest blocks. He wasn’t far from modern chaos or game theory where decentralized decisions can achieve an equilibrium. At least he seemed to think of it at an intuitive level.

Obviously ethnic or racial identarian politics poisons the body politic,(unless one’s ethnicity, race or sex is changeable 😉 . Idenitarianism is a path towardpolitical madness. Also poison are single points of control, such as capturing courts to replace the legislative process. The decentralization is what allows equilibria to be reached.

In the macrocosm, Merkel robbed Die Deutsche Volk of their Fatherland.

Jamaica

Jamaica is only as advanced as it is, courtesy of the British Empire. Mali is more like it, and even Mali benefited from the largesse of Europeans.

Don’t worry. You won’t get part of it.

As recently as the 1960’s (my childhood), Americans could joyfully sing that “This land is my land…”, and since little kids don’t know anything about Woody Guthrie’s Communist leanings, we just sang it and meant it.

No more.

Now, this land is their land, a vast empty canvas upon which the world’s financiers can draw all their fantasies of big industrial parks full of busy, cheap foreign labor, making them rich.

“If you travel 20 miles east of Columbus, Ohio, you’ll find 1,000 empty acres of land. It won’t look like much, but if you stop and look closely, you’ll see a “Field of Dreams,” the ground on which America’s future will be built. This is where Intel, the American company that helped build Silicon Valley, is going to build its \$20 billion semiconductor “mega site.” Up to eight state-of-the-art factories in one place. 10,000 new good-paying jobs.”

Joe Biden, President, SOTU address 2022

Also Joe Biden and the Democrats:

The draft “America COMPETES Act of 2022” would allow foreigners to win an uncapped number of green cards by studying to become ordinary chemists, doctors, engineers, and statisticians — or accountants, tax experts, computer security experts, statisticians, ecologists, and many other types of professionals.

So, by all means, let’s keep America as one big, beautiful office park for the world’s global financial interests, from sea to shining sea. After all, it could be worse; it could look like Beirut and now, Ukraine.

Forced myself to watch a gag worthy State of the Union. That used to be Steve’s job. Biden opened the vault and threw shovels full of money at every perceived slight in America. Framed by America’s two most powerfull women, he promised to spend our way to greatness. Something we used to earn. Harris, dressed in a brown suit that matched her skin color, looked like a stretched piece of leather over a skull. Strange way of holding her head. Pelosi looks skeletal, old skin over a hollowed eyed skull and the camera finding AOC, looking like a bobble head doll nodding in agreement as biden covered every fringe base. I thougth of the great scene in “Mars Attacks” when the Martian leader addresses the joint Houses of Congress and then vaporizes them all. Would we be worse off? And to paraphrase Roberto Duran, “no masks, no masks.”

national divorce begins to look like your best option.

Do you remember the signs in the mostly peaceful protests of 2020? “We don’t want Biden–We want Revenge!”

You’re not going to get an amicable divorce with people like that. Not even sure you should want one.

Everyone knows the US has the best real estate on earth. Two oceans on either side, weak neighbors to the north and south (which might as well be annexed), plus the Great Lakes and the mighty Mississippi, among other geographical blessings.

But barring a revolution in DC, or major devolution of power to the states, of course we would be better off in a “divorced” nation. We cannot live with Democrats.

A couple of Russian banks have been spared from being kicked off of SWIFT: Gazprombank and Sberbank.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-01/eu-agrees-to-block-russian-banks-from-swift-sparing-key-firms

Sberbank is a huge concern that has it’s fingers into everything, and has recently been branching out to become something akin to Google or Amazon. It was a major backer of Russia’s “Sputnik V” COVID vaccine. Sperbank is run by a guy named Herman Gref. Who is Herman Gref?

https://www.weforum.org/press/2021/02/world-economic-forum-appoints-new-member-to-board-of-trustees-4c1068e22b/

Yes – of course – he is also a FoK (Friend of Klaus).

Notorious sock Tiny’s Duck would have been too obvious so Tiny’s employed a new sub-sock for his usual retardery.

Everything from Marxism to critical theory to transgenderism are Western inventions.

There is a strong Jewish vanguard in every one of those movements; they are well-placed in media, education and law.

Assimilation is out-marriage, which remains a marginal phenomenon, and American culture no longer has a lot of gravity. Oh sure, Team Brown will take the video games, the Dodge Chargers, the twerking, the R&B/gospel National Anfum. But they have no interest in Team White’s Adam Smith, Locke’s Treatises, Columbus statues, personal values of restraint and decorum, and the old national holidays. Actually they do have an interest in them: they want them tossed into history’s trash can.

You and I will probably live to see the day the Alamo no longer gets monument funding and is covered in triumphalist Team Brown graffiti.

There is a small part of me that would enjoy seeing that happen, because the Chinese would undertake construction projects with dirty diesel and coal equipment.

It would be fun to watch the green Wokesters complain and protest about environmental impact, only to have the Woke government in San Francisco shut it down by saying that the Chinese are not white, and therefore cannot possibly harm the environment.

A lot of old stock Anglo Americans consider Chinese women more marriagable than White American women.

Your reading of history is weak. The Soviet military didn’t even allow Hungary or Czechoslovakia to have real independence. Then eventually they were forced to allow even the SSRs to be free. They couldn’t even put down the Chechens the first time they rebelled.

The US military grows weaker by the day. It turns out that openly glorifying black trans women and demonizing white men isn’t great for combat readiness.

And the dollar and economy are set for collapse. At some point, it won’t matter one lick what some pathetic affirmative action military officers in DC think.

A solid majority of powerful, anti-white people in the US are non-Hispanic white goyim. They aren’t going to let you have your delusional ethnostate purged of everyone you deem a “looter.”

In reality, unlike wignats’ Talmudic false dichotomy of white vs non-white, the real division in the US is anti-white vs non-anti-white.

Sailer:

One ill I didn’t address then is that of foreign interference. Breaking up the USA into smaller states would open the door for massive meddling in the new minor countries by both overseas powers and local neighbors, as the chronicles of the ex–Soviet Union suggest.

One of the main reasons, and maybe the most important one, for moving from the Articles of Confederation (1776) to the Constitution (1787), was the fear that the American states would become the playthings of European powers. The founders could easily compare united UK, France, Spain, to fractured Germany and Italy, for example. Italy in particular was almost continually cursed by wars, as the contending major powers took over or influenced one statelet or another.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Even without external meddling, a formerly American territory of many small states would be tempted to petty wars motivated by raw ambition or fanatical ideology. A demagogue in the State of Washington, for example, might try to conquer Idaho in order to impose transgenderism, reverse discrimination, and abolition of the police.

Most potential problems that might happen in the future were foreseen by the founders of this country. They already had two thousand years of history to look back on and were well versed in the Greek and Roman classics. They attempted to build safeguards into the Constitution to prevent these potential problems, including dissolution of the union. I am a direct descendant of Isabella Pendleton. She was the sister of Edmund Pendleton, one of three Virginia delegates to the first Continental Congress alongside Patrick Henry and George Washington. Edmund Pendleton wrote the following in 1801:

“Union is certainly the basis of our political prosperity, and this can only be preserved by confining, with precision, the federal government to the exercise of powers clearly required by the general interest or respecting foreign nations and the state governments to objects of a local nature; because the states exhibit such varieties of character and interests that a consolidated general government would be in perpetual conflict with state interests, from its want of local knowledge or from a prevalence of local prejudice or interest, so as certainly to produce civil war and disunion.”

Something’s gon’ need to change Steve; your peeps are losing it.

https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhQ7v3GxkaP4m2UGkP

I don’t know why severe economic decline should lead to breakup. We’ve been there before (Great Depression) and wound up adding states and territories afterward.

The future is very hard to predict, but human nature is very consistent. The entire world wants a generous welfare state without actually paying for it.

Trudeau = Honecker
Biden = Andropov
??? = Ceaucescu

We should think twice, and then we should secede.

I would rather go down fighting than simpering like a Canadian, Australian, or Oceanian.

But it is really crucial to admit that the real assault on Western Civilization has come from within. Everything from Marxism to critical theory to transgenderism are (((Western))) inventions.

No foreigners have done this to us.

We — or rather (((our elites))) — are doing this to ourselves.

The fact that too much immigration is not a good idea must not blind us to the blunt fact that the real enemy of our civilization is the, overwhelmingly (((White,))) ruling elite.

That’s more like it.

I am strongly tempted to listen to the audio because I am sure it is hilarious (I’m sure the Persians found it hilarious), but, yeah, the visual reminder that we are living in an away from keyboard vampire dystopia, and people close to or past a natural death crushed the young and healthy to extract one more year of deliberate evil and far-flung harm (and then to try to start a war), does call for vomit. Thing is, surely this was the least relevant iteration in a consistently irrelevant distraction. If the president wants to derail the Founders’ simple enough order to report (say, in a letter) how things go, to sneak in an unmoderated campaign speech proposing legislation ideas, he should first have any option of getting legislation passed. Biden doesn’t. May he die the next time he stumbles down the stairs.

A demagogue in the State of Washington, for example, might try to conquer Idaho in order to impose transgenderism, reverse discrimination, and abolition of the police.

Of course, under regional disarmament and dependence on the DC government, they are able to impose these things without incurring any sort of cost.

Personally, I think America should be a Union of Regions, each consisting of its respective metropole and its surrounding area. Like the Northern Midwest nation (as for a name, I suggest Greater Wisconsin) would have as its capital Chicago, with its own central bank, treasury, semi-professional milita and standing green water navy. The Federal government would exist to maintain a national blue water navy, a modest airforce for external threats, and be a way of orchestrating disputes between the sovereign Regions.

This is by far the best analysis of the Russia/Ukraine debacle I have seen.

Well worth the listen.

https://tomwoods.com/ep-2074-russia-ukraine-and-nato/

Civic nationalism is dead. It is not coming back.

The revisionist elements within the territorial American corpse have made it impossible – Jews, Coloreds of Person, hard-left Whiteys and sexual deviants.

They’re the ones engaged in social brinksmanship and “our way or die, Nazi.” Whites for better or worse tried to compromise, carve out space, mediate and get along. Then we tried moving away from them. None of it works.

By every reasonable definition of what it takes to make a polity from the Greeks on down, America is not a viable single polity and hasn’t been for decades. I think it was already too late in 1992 when Pat Buchanan won only 1 state primary with the closest thing to a Sailer Strategy (some Sam Francis too).

The fact that this was considered Neanderthal revanchist Nazism told us that the institutions had already been marched through.

Separation or subjugation are the options on the table. Ugly reality.

Armored warfare is not worse than extinction.

“Congrefs no Law shall enact
Using Force to keep Union intact;
Nor shall States beggars be,
Nor be serfs, but be free;
Nor the Dollar by Magick be backed.”

The alternative is death. It’s a simple choice.

I commented when visiting Florida in the heat of summer was “how did the original settlers handle this?” For the Spanish maybe it was not as bad, but it amazes me that English and Scots adapted well enough to stay in Florida long term.

The States are so beholden to the Feral Gov’t now, that they can’t do very much on their own.

About 20% of state and local expenditures are financed by federal appropriations. Of course the states and localities do things on their own. Fully 80% of all public employees work for state or local government. You can end this problem by phasing out federal grants over a period of a few years, allowing states to adjust or by replacing special purpose grants with general revenue sharing distributed by formula. Ditto state government financing of local government.

This matricuck actually believes divorce can improve a child’s quality of life, against all statistical evidence.

Proof again that all of this separatist bullcrap is motivated by feminism and the hatred of male authority.

All I want to know is: what went wrong? What made everybody so afraid of the Father?

You have a good point, but in the event of a national breakup, there is no reason to think state borders would hold. The people of Eastern Washington, to use your example, would see themselves as having much more in common with the people of Idaho than with those in the Seattle metro area. I am somewhat surprised the Greater Idaho movement hasn’t spread beyond Oregon into the Eastern part of Washington already.

It looks like that Wyoming situation is far from a done deal. It will be an interesting case study to watch what happens.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220301021243/https://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/senate-vote-to-cut-uw-gender-studies-funding-prompts-debate-about-legality-lawmakers-role/article_fdf1abc4-4adb-5772-95f0-551959bc6a23.html

After reading this article, and his output on Ukraine, I just don’t think Steve’s a big picture guy. He’s a sports guy, a sports statistics guy, a pop culture guy, a badminton guy, a hair guy, a black crime guy, a golf course landscape architecture guy, an architecture guy, a gay guy, an IQ guy. Big picture? No.

Ports that only served their host states would be entry into limited markets.

Deals would be made, they might provide more profit than benefits. BAU.

Halloween through mid April is a decent time to be in South Florida, no A/C needed, but keep a fan or two around. Hurricane likelihood: low.

Coincidentally, mid spring through mid fall is a nice time to be in the midwest or northeast. Northern Michigan in particular is heavenly in the summer.

The guy objecting to the funding cuts because “I still believe in limited government” shows why we can’t have a united America.

One side doesn’t believe in limited government, they believe in clubbing guys to death with it.

This poor sap doesn’t know how to take his own side even when he has the votes to make policies that protect his kids.

The neocon conservative-libertarian fusion we’ve seen from Reagan to the Tea Parties amounts to unilateral White political disarmament.

Whites won’t dirty their hands using government to protect themselves so don’t be shocked to see more McMicheals cases, more Chauvins, more BLM and antifa until they get this libertarian claptrap clubbed out of their heads.

“There is a strong Jewish vanguard in every one of those movements; they are well-placed in media, education and law.”

I’ve worked with a few Jewish guys over the years, and they’re fine. I’m not overly paranoid about Jewish influence. But your comment is spot-on and big picture.* Most Jewish people are just trying to get through life, like us normal people. Babylon Inc. does seem to have Subversion Special Forces units embeded in Western media, education, and law.

*Steve’s not big picture.

In addition, he’s not big picture.

The ruble has crashed and is now worth less than a penny.

Some numbers on that.

The ruble had been fairly stable for a year or more at 70-some to the dollar. It is now at 110 to the dollar.
https://www.wsj.com/market-data/quotes/fx/USDRUB/historical-prices

A significant change to be sure, but what interests me is what happens next. If the market is not being interfered with (is it?) people stand to make/lose significant money depending on how this goes.

This site has a useful synopsis.
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/currency

The Russian ruble remained under pressure at the 110 per dollar mark on Wednesday, having fallen as low as 120 earlier in the week, as stabilizing measures were not enough to counteract a series of Western sanctions against Russia for invading Ukraine. Western allies largely limited Russian entities’ ability to do business internationally after agreeing to remove key Russian banks from the SWIFT interbank system and freeze the assets of Russia’s central bank. The US also dealt another blow against Moscow by barring Americans from doing business with Russia’s central bank, ministry of finance and its sovereign wealth fund. The Bank of Russia responded by raising its key policy rate to 20% from 9.5%, ordering export-led businesses to sell 80% of their foreign currencies and banning foreigners from selling Russian securities to stabilize its currency.

independent California means we are governed by the loons in the Bay Area

Not bloody likely, mate. Best thing would be to dissolve the legislature in Sacramento, abolish the 0ffice of “Governor,” and let we, the people, live our own lives.

Here in western Riverside Co., where I live, we are not interested in what they do in the Bay Area, or Even in (total) Los(s) Angeles. Please just leave us alone, political busybodies.

That is not the case: it is the hyper-inflation of the 1990s that really killed the ruble.

Right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ruble

The ruble’s exchange rate versus the U.S. dollar depreciated significantly from \$1 = 125 RUR in January 1992 to approximately \$1 = 6,000 RUR when the currency was redenominated in 1998.

BTW, that’s what it looks like when an economy breaks (or is destroyed/looted?). Hope it never happens here.

Buy low; sell high.

There WERE many ALMOST separate countries in this land until not that awful long ago! They called ’em “States”, and they still do, even now, when they are behaving and being treated like nothing but districts or provinces by the Feral Gov’t.

Thanks Achmed.

I had an unwritten comment, with a similar thrust–in my head in reaction to Steve’s “World Cup” post. The Brits indeed had evolved–over time and with some big mistakes–at least a semi-reasonable of handling the natural “diversity” within their kingdom.

And our founders–no idiots–were both well aware of that, but also of the tyranny that the central state could dish out. The founders knew that any peaceful and voluntary association in a large nation–especially with the variation among the various Anglo-Saxon and Germanic peoples that were the polity, and with our large regional variations–required federalism. People would locally govern themselves in their own states according to their own norms, values and circumstances. And the federal state would handle the common stuff–mostly defense, keeping the foreigners out.

There’s absolutely no reason the good folks in Pigsknuckle, Arkansas, must have the same norms and the same laws as in Baghdad By the Bay. Each could–in theory–live according their community norms. But this is simply an anathema–hate!–to minoritarians, and they absolute love central state power to make ordinary Americans–whom they have contempt for- behave as they wish.

Our “cosmopolitan globalist” elite are not only the most parochial “cosmopolitans, and not only have the most stupid and toxic ideology in minoritarianism, but they also have the most deformed and toxic personalities–incredibly obnoxious and aggressive imposing minoritarianism upon everyone else. In a word–*assholes*.

That’s our problem. That’s what motivates secession.

I think you are right about there being more of a collapse than a breakup. A problem with a formal breakup is that there aren’t enough viable geographical areas where the cleave lines would occur. People can talk about a Red state like Texas seceding, but what would do you do with Austin, Houston and the southernmost areas that are effectively areas of Mexico that happen to be under US administration?
The hypothetical maps showing a northwestern White, conservative new country are already obsolete. Washington, Oregon and soon Idaho are Blue states with dissident rural Red areas.
You can look at many areas of the US similarly and see there are almost no equivalents of modern Mason-Dixon lines along which you could divide it up.
As the country becomes more racially, politically and economically fragmented and the central economic power of being able to print Monopoly money declines we will see more chaos. Independence of a sort will manifest itself as small areas continuing to work inside a common economy, but ignoring the overreaches of a Federal system that won’t be able to afford forcing them to comply. A state or local government will ban transgender education in schools, a Federal judge blocks the ban and the Supreme Court agrees. The locals tells the kritarchy to go boil their heads, we’re doing it anyway , and what are you going to do about it.

I see that Germany have now postponed closing existing coal-fired power stations, and are keeping open what nuclear power they have (3 power stations).

I don’t mind living around “good whites”. Sure they have unsound opinions, but hey. I don’t even much mind by being bossed around by good whites. What I do mind is living around blacks, latinos, orientals, hindus and moslems.

If America fractures, it may not be a dissolution of the Union, but rather the races building their own enclaves within the “country”. I won’t say “nation”, because it will just be a bunch of squabbling races and ethnicities who can’t stand each other.

The problem is those blasted good whites will keep inviting diversity, and the non-whites will keep wanting whatever nice things the whites have going.

I don’t want a separate country, I just want to be left alone to live with my people.

That used to be Steve’s job.

It still is, Joe. It knocked him out on his ass, worse than a Kung Flu booster shot. He should be OK by end-o-bidness week.

“Thank goodness that it is the “mightiest country ever”

More of a curse than a blessing. If the country didn’t have such high self esteem, maybe it would avoid the folly of meddling all over the world. [And the world would be better for it.]

Reg, and the Canadian Pacific RR kept parts of Canada from secceeding to the USA. They lacked coast to coast transportation.

A lot of what the states do (education, social services, Medicaid) is required and/or controlled by federal law and bureaucracy. That’s one reason much of the money comes from Washington. Clinton started throwing money, with strings attached, at local law enforcement.

‘As I said, America has become much more distorted and fractured, but somehow we still keep managing to function as a unit.”

No, we are not functioning as a unit. Various fragments and factions are functioning and you, like millions of useful idiots, have bought the b.s. the left, having an iron grip on the MSM, is peddling that this means the country is still united.

The United States is “functioning” like a chronic alcoholic who still manages to make sure he has that crucial wake-up half-pint to keep from going into withdrawal, who still only loses bladder control in private and who can still count on gullible friends and family to help (enable) him to stumble down the path of self-destruction.

Yeah, you probably do consider that “functioning”. But it’s functioning only in the sense of surviving, not thriving. Our country is in a state of chronic malaise. Just wait till it enters the acute phase. You’ll be eating your words–and not much else.

And there is no “we”. So shut up already.

Really, are you sure about that, Art? Are you counting the influence of Federal money on universities in the form of guaranteed (US Gov-backed) loans, Federal money sent in grants for lower ed, Federal involvement in EVERY DAMN THING? Your idea won’t work, because there will ALWAYS be strings and threats attached to the handouts.

My Amendment stands as it is. What do you, fancy yourself a Founding Father, do ya?

this is an important essay because it perfectly embodies why we’ll never accomplish ANYTHING as long as boomers are still alive, and we won’t be able to make ANY progress until these people are all dead and gone. boomers are actively preventing younger generations from doing what needs to be done.

here’s YET ANOTHER boomer telling us to not do anything, please don’t react, allow hostile enemy forces to continue to take control of the country, at least until i’m dead and gone. i want to live out my last decade in the peace and comfort i acquired after being gifted the greatest country in the history of the world by the previous couple generations, then spending 1960 thru 2020 accumulating money and property and job positions, while doing NOTHING to prevent America from being lost to hungry, determined outsiders.

this boomer like most boomers wants you younger generations to continue to do nothing about it. they want younger generations to lose 2 years of their prime life living in a cave so that the boomers can eek out another few years and try to dodge a virus with a 99% survival rate. all the while also being priced out of property and locked out of job positions that boomers will hold until they’re 85, especially political positions that boomers will lock up until their dying breath, making sure only young leftists can rise to political power. young rightists are BLOCKED by career boomer politicians who don’t want anybody to screw up their last 15 years on earth and just want to make money while the country is turned into smoldering ruins.

Steve thinks his essay is being smart, but it actually shows how incredibly SELFISH boomers actually are, proving every negative point about them. this is exactly the kind of essay old wealthy Tories were writing before the revolution. you’re gonna screw everything up for me, you stupid young idiots.

World government for world peace.

I think an increased emphasis on federalism would help the US by letting states agree to disagree more often. And letting people (with their feet, not only ballots) and markets (do these decisions work financially without the ability to print money?) vote on their decisions.

If US states can’t agree on things (not to mention the voter precinct levels we are discussing), what makes you think country level populations could? And who would you trust to operate a world government?!

From the post….”and Californians seem happier.” Can’t happen. California is the most dysfunctional place on the planet. Suffering from draught, demolish dams. Ban natural gas. ban combustion engines. Do allow open drug use. Do allow crime. Mandate that kids still wear masks in school, because, because, if masks were important yesterday, how could they be optional today? True statements from Cal Berkeley and SF School District. More poverty, horrible educational results, bigger fringe groups. But we need a west coast, so let’s try to keep them.

J. nice comment. Still gag worthy address. Stay safe.

The only two other countries that matter, Russia and China, find Americans as baffling and alien as we find them. And they have no interest in inheriting hordes of negros and latinos.

Agreed with the latter most certainly. Whether any military might get involved is one thing, maybe doubtful as you say. Economic might is what matters. We all know who’s numero uno now in that sense.

Russia got looted in the 1990’s by people from New York.* American may be looted once things fall apart, not necessarily political-division-wise, but economically. The way it worse is described by the other Golden Rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules.

See Peak Stupidity‘s series “Will America be looted by China?”:

Part 1: Intro.
Part 2: Housing
Part 3: Big Biz
Part 4: The Fruited Plain
Part 5: The Wilderness
Part 6: Conclusion – The Golden Rule

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* A friend of mine talked to a Russian guy on a plane in the 1990s who told him that a steel plant he knew about got bought up for just the price of the steel inventory on hand!

It has always struck me as odd that the preservation of the union in the 1860s is portrayed in U.S. history as an almost holy mission but we happily bombed Serbia in the 1990s to appease Mohammedan separatists.

“But, as Putin is finding in Ukraine, it’s not so easy to put Humpty Dumpty together again.”

But this time, he needs Humpty Dumpty to buffer Moscow from the possibility of a NATO backed Ukraine with nuclear warheads pointed straight at them. This is more than an existential crisis, it goes to the heart of Russia’s historical existence as a nation with many defensive buffers to protect it from total destruction. At first glance, Putin appears willing to go to the mat over Ukraine. Perhaps the US does not. after all, what does the US have to gain?

2022 marks the 60th anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis, which is very relevant to the current crisis in Ukraine. How exactly would the US respond if Russia decided to place nuclear warheads in Cuba aimed directly at the US? Unfortunately, then the US would definitely have skin in the game and something to fight for; their very existence. Same thing more or less and the comparison holds.

“Hence, American enthusiasts of going down the ex-Soviet path should think twice.”

Except that there is historical precedent for it. The original government of the US was the Articles of Confederation, a loosely held together nation of semi-sovereign states, much like modern Canada has in fact. Perhaps the US could return to that form of government, albeit with a few modern modifications.

And after all, this isn’t the ex-USSR, this is the United States of America. Different country, different borders, different people with different historical traditions of self-governance.

General question about comments. Is it too hard to set up comments so that replies appear immediately below the respective comment they are replying to?

The USA breaking up? That is a completely and totally crazy and insane idea.

There are some issues that don’t seem resolvable, like which side would get the nuclear arsenal (or what percentage of the nuclear arsenal.) As with divorce in a marriage scenario, the two sides would likely split with a great deal of animosity, and you can be sure they would have their nukes pointed right at each other across the border. Of course, if one side didn’t get any nukes, they could build their own, but that would only provide the pretext for those with nukes to attack.

My history might be a little off, but didn’t United States already have a war regarding the issue of secession?

Yes, your history is off. We had two wars of secession, the first was successful, the second wasn’t. The secessionists in both of those wars had geography working in their favor. Modern secessionists wouldn’t have that advantage.

….it’s like a large and fractious family that might have a tranny cousin and/or a sibling married to a person of another race, but who still somehow gets along during the holidays.

A poor analogy. Much more likely – in the long run – is a Northern Ireland type scenario, with violence and killing going on for generations. In fact, I suspect that such violence in the US will make Northern Ireland look like a walk in the park (and last much longer.) If the establishment left were to maintain it’s hold on power at the federal level, it would feel justified in becoming the Stalinist (or Putinist) regime it needs to be in order to crack down on the “terrorism” of secessionists.

The left in the US, at least through its most ubiquitous incarnations (the Democratic party and labor unions), did something pretty admirable for a century or so: it largely rejected the most radical and extreme elements of Marxism/communism while pursuing its progressive goals. That’s no longer the case. The stated objectives of the strong left today read something like the Symbionese Liberation Army manifesto, and extremism begets extremism, radicalism begets radicalism. All of it oppositional.

Steve would advise the colonists to not break away from the Crown. even if they’re successful (obviously they won’t be, they’ll be defeated and hanged, and i’ll go back to making a profit trading goods or publishing the town newspaper because i’m smart and revolutionaries are stupid morons with muskets), as soon as the colonies become independent, they’ll immediately be invaded and taken over by the French or the Spanish or indians or somebody else. breaking away from Great Britain is the stupidest, dumbest course of action possible. only a total idiot would think that’s a good idea.

supposedly that’s the smart money talking, the adults in the room, the conventional wisdom that i have to hear every day from absolute losers like GOP leadership barnacles who are superglue ensconced in their positions.

Steve thinks that trying to escape the subjugation of the DC regime, which is controlled by hostile aliens, and seeks to CRUSH me and my people, would be one of the biggest mistakes possible. he prefers you vote moar harder, that should work.

‘I am interested in what others think is the optimal way to break up the USA.’

Set aside about two square feet somewhere in North Dakota.

Move you there.

Armored warfare is not worse than extinction.

It’s also better than the global digital slave plantation.

A lot of what the states do (education, social services, Medicaid) is required and/or controlled by federal law and bureaucracy. That’s one reason much of the money comes from Washington. Clinton started throwing money, with strings attached, at local law enforcement.

Federal funding accounts for 7% of expenditure on primary and secondary schooling. You don’t want the strings leave the money on the table. Politicians seem comically adverse to doing that under any circumstances and it’s a reasonable wager that school officialdom like the strings to give them the excuse to do perverse things they couldn’t sell otherwise.

Medicaid actually is largely financed from the federal treasury. Well, why aren’t state and local officials leaning on members of Congress to replace Medicaid funding with revenue sharing? Because they don’t care when there isn’t any candy in it for their clients.

Thank you, GToD. Lionel Shriver is a GREAT writer. This prepper novel was written with a women’s perspective (Lionel changed her name from Margaret or something as a teenager, but no funny stuff).

If you want a man’s perspective on how we will have to deal with the collapse in the future, regarding materiel, power, security, etc., this book doesn’t cut it. However, when it comes to how it may very well go down economically, she does an excellent job – she even understands precious metals!

I thank John Derbyshire for recommending The Mandibles, and I would like to spam the readers again with 6 links, as I got so into this book, that the review took that long:

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6

we happily bombed Serbia in the 1990s to appease Mohammedan separatists.

The separatists accounted for 90% of the population in the territory in question and had been subject to abuse by the central government for a dozen years at that point. They were also in danger of an ethnic cleansing extravaganza.

Anyone who says they are for the breakup of the United States has already lost the game. You can’t go run and hide in Wyoming or Idaho or West Virginia because the people who are persecuting you now will eventually track you down and get you there.

You either win the war for the United States or you lose the war for the United States. This is no middle strategy in which you retreat and regroup inside a hyper-federalist structure. You won’t protect the borders of Idaho any better than you did those of the United States. In fact, you will be inundated by outsiders in that state far more quickly than the country was.

Ethnic solidarity, by itself, is also a losing strategy. There are many millions of whites who want you to lose – and, no, they are not all Jews and LBGTers. Some of the whitest, most goy states in the union are in the New England and they show little to no inclination to side with your politics.

I’ma confused by all the pessimism. I’m no fan of Donald Trump, but his political instincts are solid on most policies (border, trade, wars) compared to the GOP establishment and he won an historic election in 2016. He would’ve won again in 2020 if not for COVID. And the Democrats’ popularity is in the tank. A populist-leaning GOP could sweep the table in 2022 and 2024 with the best proposals on immigration and trade for this country in the last seventy years.

You have a chance for real victory in this country. Why waste it trying to win an independent Iowa?

The USA breaking up? That is a completely and totally crazy and insane idea. I know that commentators on the left and the right have been pushing this viewpoint for a while, but it is complete insanity. My history might be a little off, but didn’t United States already have a war regarding the issue of secession? No state or territory is going anywhere.

That war was an unjust war of aggression; it’s laughable for anyone criticize Vladimir Putin for trying to preserve his ‘Union’ when Abraham Lincoln did much worse killing 750,000+ Americans in a bloody war of aggression to force a peacefully-seceded Dixie to remain in his ‘Union’ against their will. Many of the same U.S neocons (like Mark Levin on Fox News) kvetching loudest about Putin celebrate Lincoln as the “the greatest president in history.” That would be Lincoln the despot who suspended basic rights to free expression and habeas corpus, arrested dissident journalists, ordered 4-year bloodbath to forcibly annex a neighboring country that had seceded according to the same principles upon which the United States had seceded from British rule in 1776.

All the 1861-1865 war settled was that the right of secession is contingent upon having superior firepower to enforce that self-proclaimed right. Had USA and CSA been allowed to go separate ways in 1861, that may have been a successful ‘national divorce’. However too much has changed since then; U.S. political and cultural divides no longer fall along neat sectional geographic lines as they did in 1865 or even 1965. Attempting a geographic-political ‘national divorce’ today would be a catastrophic epic fail for practical reasons.

Despite what some Western media figures (mostly on “the right”) say, Putin did not call the collapse of the U.S.S.R. ‘the greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century’ because he is secretly still a KGB Communist Party loyalist who misses Marxism-Leninism. Since the 1991 breakup, Russia has never recovered from massive overall decline in power, prestige, social and economic standing that the Soviet Union superpower had commanded. Some might also consider allowing Warsaw Pact puppet states to go free in 1989-1990 as a sort of ‘national divorce’ that weakened the Soviet Union itself, which in turn encouraged secession of 14 Soviet republics that left behind a vastly weakened Russian Federation.

I think Steve’s point is that Denmark was occupied by the Nazis. An it was not overrun by the Soviets only because of US military backing.

“Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, John Mearsheimer, Stephen Cohen, economist Jeffrey Sachs…”

Aww, so nice to see Jeffrey Sachs finally get some love on iSteve. That’s a new one. As for NATO membership for Ukraine, it never had much traction at all internally.

According to a poll conducted by Solomon, Center for Strategic and International Studies] A Ukrainian public opinion poll of May 6 [1997] showed in favor of joining NATO with 28% opposed and 34% undecided.

I recall seeing a timeline at one point of similar polls during previous years that indicated that was kind of the longstanding consensus — i.e. considerably less than half Ukrainians were in support. But the story doesn’t end there, does it? Op. cit.:

Relations between Ukraine and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) started in 1992.[1] Ukraine applied to begin a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008.[2][3] Plans for NATO membership were shelved by Ukraine following the 2010 presidential election in which Viktor Yanukovych, who preferred to keep the country non-aligned, was elected President.[4][5] Amid the Euromaidan unrest, Yanukovych fled Ukraine in February 2014.[6] The interim Yatseniuk Government which came to power initially said, with reference to the country’s non-aligned status, that it had no plans to join NATO.[7] However, following the Russian military invasion in Ukraine and parliamentary elections in October 2014, the new government made joining NATO a priority.

What’s that? Even Yatsenuk, Victoria Nuland’s pet candidate, expressed no interest in having Ukraine join NATO? It’s weird how Russia’s swiping off a chunk of Ukraine, after previously having agreed in writing to respect Ukraine’s borders in exchange for Ukraine giving up nuke materials, boosted the Ukrainians’ previously lukewarm interest in actually signing up. It was my understanding from reading the Putin experts on Unz-dot-com that Victoria Nuland’s magic pastries was what caused that turnaround.

Now, even Finland and Sweden want closer ties with NATO. Are the same “experts” and peace advocates (none of whom seem to have any interest in what the Ukrainians themselves might have to say on this topic, as bizarre as that may seem) going to pretend that it’s NATO’s manifest destiny in pushing eastward that is primarily to blame for that? It doesn’t mean Nuland isn’t scum — I never claimed she wasn’t. But so far, she seems to be the real winner here, which makes me think Putin, no matter how this debacle turns out for him, isn’t nearly as on the ball as he thinks he is. Too bad his yes-men will never allow him to see that.

“The business of America is business!” – President Calvin Coolidge (Republican) – January 1925

“This Land Is Your Land” – Woody Guthrie (Socialist) – February 1940

“2022 marks the 60th anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis, which is very relevant to the current crisis in Ukraine. How exactly would the US respond if Russia decided to place nuclear warheads in Cuba aimed directly at the US?”

Last I heard, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead, and Cuba is still Cuba. Even Guantanamo remains on a “lease”, in the same way that Crimea was before Russia took it over.

In other words, as analogies goes, Cuba just stopped being relevant as of about a week ago (and really, after Russia decided it needed more than just a lease). The Putin lackeys need to put that one to bed.

“This is more than an existential crisis, it goes to the heart of Russia’s historical existence as a nation with many defensive buffers to protect it from total destruction.”

Oh, see how these Putin lackeys wail copious tears, not for Kiev buildings and citizens being blown apart, no — but rather, for Russia not having enough in the way of “defensive buffers”. They wail like a husky with separation anxiety. Did having enough defensive buffers get slipped into some UN charter while I wasn’t looking? You know, maybe if Russia hadn’t expanded to the size of an entire continent, it wouldn’t need so much in the way of buffer states, has anyone ever considered that? Little Lichtenstein isn’t exactly clamoring for buffer states. Maybe Andorra? There’s the answer to Russia’s “existential crisis”. If you don’t balloon in size the way gluttons do, you wouldn’t have as much waistline or other “border issues” you need to worry about.

What, you’re telling me that not only does Russia get to keep its current borders (unlike, say, Ukraine), but on top of that, it also needs buffer states to ensure that it remains “protected”? I dunno, I would have thought with all that acquisition, it’s rather Russias neighbors who might need protection. As of last week, I’m even more convinced of that. You Putin lackeys really need to step out of the echo chamber.

The central part of the United States has one of the busiest ports in the world New Orleans . Plus the Mississippi Missouri River route to the Great Lakes the st Laurence Seaway and the N Atlantic ports of Canada, Halifax etc. plus there’s Biloxi and Galveston.

The Blue State areas, on the other hand, will be open game for Latin American Cartel expansion, and entrepreneurial Asian generals.

Or for the Red States to just take them back, and exile all the Blue State inhabitants.

That is sooo cool. Imagine anyone trying to rob Obama Bush Trump Clinton. They’d be swarmed by 10 secret service men if they got within 15 feet.

Ha ha ha ha ha. She’s just another old woman now, prey for the immigrant Muslim criminals she loved so much.

“The separatists accounted for 90% of the population in the territory in question and had been subject to abuse by the central government for a dozen years at that point.”

A dozen years, you say? As I recall, during one of my attempts to dig through Putin-lackey historical bunk, it turns out the plans to exterminate the Kosovar Albanians, go back way further than that. R

Then again, that’s kind of like Russian attempts to root out Ukrainian language and culture. Those, too, have been around for centuries. Remember that the next time someone wants to know why there haven’t been any great novels written in Ukrainian.

I’ll say this again (not to you specifically, since I’m agreeing with you, but to the wider audience here), in case someone who knows”Hillbilly Elegy” guy J. D. Vance or other redneck supporters of Putin come across this. Any hillbilly or alt-righter or other so-called redneck who sides with Putin against the Ukrainians DESERVES to have the culture and way of life of his people trashed and belittled and sneered at. Because that’s exactly how the Russian elite-and-powerful like Putin have been treating Ukrainian culture for centuries. It’s eerily similar. Any of you alt-righters who think Putin is the enemy-of-my-enemy who’s going to help you push back against your own sneering elites might one day get a wake-up call from Pastor Niemöller instead, but at that point, it may well be too late.

If that happens, you can at least take comfort in knowing that you’re getting exactly what you deserve.

Chezch and Slovaks were not forming completely separate states , but joining the EU. Thats why their separation was peaceful.

how about Califirnia and other blue states take back all of the immigrants and transplants that they have flooded my state with.

What would be even less sucky is if those inflow states refused to provide tax-funded freebies to the newcomers; then they can get around to separating natives from the tax teat.

I’m following Idaho school bond referenda. There’s a bunch coming up this month (though with relatively small, face-value amounts). The typical, district pleading is “.. but our population is growing like gangbusters!” Also, the DEMs there (like DEMs everywhere) are working to tie school funding to enrollment rather than to the # of warm bodies that actually show up. The teachers union demands a credentialed babysitter in every, empty classroom.

A bit of propaganda is what you are saying. There was rather , forced Ukrainization ( “Nativization” ) in Soviet times, and Czarists did develop Ukrainian language and culture (as part of their divide et emper agenda) along with many others. Cf. the UK, where Welsh and Scottish nationalisms are alive, to get an idea.

In any Republic though, like US or USSR, simple economic life will work for assimilation , though. You want to talk to your customers in their dominant language. You want to join elites talking in the dominant language. So you assimilate. The Soviets tried hard to preserve any non-russian nationalizm, and to combat russhian chauvenism, but were failing at that.

However, it is true that mr. Putin may not be a real ally for “white nationalists”, conservatives, etc. His dallying with them is at best situational. I think, the official line is now that Russian army combats “nationalists”.

Things are complicated..

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Steve, does Judge Jackson have a higher IQ than Michelle Obama? Aren’t smart ppl supposed to look smart?

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/14/1078086453/ketanji-brown-jackson-supreme-court-biden

I wouldn’t want to deprive them of the opportunity to live under truly diverse and inclusive rulers.

Absolutely true. The hard left has been in control for a long time.

For those appalled by the news from Ukraine.
Be of good cheer!
It’s all bullshit.
https://newspunch.com/propaganda-mainstream-medias-top-trending-ukraine-stories-turned-out-to-be-completely-fake/

But you knew that anyway, didn’t you?

More delusions from a Californian boomer. Steve, you don’t even understand COVID, what makes you think you understand the United States?

The interesting question is: where are all of the “Buy low; sell high” people on the buy side?

The Spaniards that first colonised the Americas were overwhelmingly from the hottest and poorest Spanish regions like Extremadura (the name tells you everything) and Andalucia. Not that many from the rainier, greener, milder climates of Galicia/Asturias/Basque Country (inside the Hajnal Line). They could perhaps stand the climate better.

https://www.unz.com/isteve/atlantic-how-should-we-talk-about-migration-policy/#comment-2320025

The best part of that is how much of it is done under the flag of “tolerance.”

Who cares about silly minor things like birthrates?

If the sanctions destroy the oligarch class, average Russians won’t care. There’s a lot of smart stuff being written about the boomerang effect. Look: it’s going to hurt Russia. No doubt. But when you’re in an existential battle, you fight. The cost of giving in is worse than the cost of fighting.

This guy better watch his back. Ukraine is full of real Nazis. Not the Richard Spencer types.

“where are all of the “Buy low; sell high” people on the buy side?”

We know that the banks can’t be allowed to fail, so they can be as reckless as they like and the Fed or BoE will rescue them.

But little people wanting to buy the dip in say Polymetal, a London-quoted Russian gold miner down about 66% last time I looked, are likely to find themselves expropriated by one side or the other. Caveat emptor.

And an old stock Anglo-American considered an ADOS marriage material. Weird that Steve hasn’t talked about the new Supreme Court pick. Maybe because he can’t say anything bad about her?

No,we’re not a family. You sound like woman!😉
A break up seems unlikely now,even with such a fractitious population. But if we dont stop the African surge,what kind of nation will we be?
As Dear Leader says,predictions are hard,especially about the future

She also defended freedom of speech against the wokies.

You mean a lot of old Stock “white nationalists” consider Chinese women more marriagable than White American women.

The original Florida Crackers were a hard boiled bunch. I’m in awe of them but wouldn’t want to be them.

The book Strawberry Girl is about a young girl early settler. Not a bad read.

I lived in Palm Beach County and can count only a few days that life without AC was comfortable over all my years there. If you can do it, then hats off. You are stronger than I ever was.

Unrelated but of interest, human genetic research in the Philippines.

https://slate.com/technology/2022/03/philippines-uppsala-genomics-study-ethical-review.html

As a “Putin lackey” I’m proud to stand alongside George Kennan, Henry Kissinger, two US Ambassadors to Russia, two Aussie Prime Ministers, the Defence Secretaries to Clinton, Bush and Obama, a CIA chief, and various other luminaries (Mearsheimer ring a bell?) in saying that the expansion of NATO is the ultimate, underlying cause of this conflict.

As Brit Ambassador Roderic Lyne noted “if you want to start a war with Russia, that’s the best way of doing it“. The fact that the US went ahead with something that’s “stupid on every level” (Lyne again) implies that they knew what they were doing.

So the links between Germany and Russia are severed, in a triumph for US policy. Pity about Ukraine.

I see Rheinmetall shares (guns and tanks) are flying today, and that Germany suspended the closure of coal (dirty lignite) and nuclear powered electricity generation.

European gas prices up 40% today. Brent crude \$111. Wheat up again.

Interesting times. China must be loving it.