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From my new Taki’s Magazine column:
“Strong Mutually Antagonistic Governments Everywhere”
by Steve Sailer
November 25, 2015In the spirit of Aristotelian moderation, allow me to suggest that an emerging danger of the 21st century is that the non-Western world could get overly right-wing. Ironically, a major cause would be that white Western liberals are focusing all of their firepower—using as cat’s paws flagrantly illiberal nonwhites such as Muslim immigrants—upon the second-most progressive group on earth, white Western conservatives.
In a world where Western whites are an increasingly tiny minority, falling from roughly 19 percent of the world’s population in 1950 to perhaps 9 percent today, this divide is dangerous. The internecine status war among the people who built the modern world looks increasingly likely to embolden the rest of the human race to regress into bad old habits, such as racist hatred, religious fanaticism, and bellicose tribalism.
Read the whole thing there.
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Great article.
Meanwhile, another football player shot, while hanging out with a guy named Antwan:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ap-source-rams-bailey-in-critical-condition-after-shooting/ar-BBnpPmO?ocid=spartanntp
Moral: don’t hang out with guys named Antwan. Your chances of not being shot go up exponentially.
That article really requires being fleshed out in a book or at least long form format.
This a remarkable essay. It reminds just how much more Sailer is than the clever court jester.
(For those who don't know history, calling Steve a "clever court jester" is by no means an insult; indeed, it's a very much a compliment. But he shows again and again a much deeper level of thought. Those ideas deserve more work. There's only a few people out there fleshing out ideas along these lines of thought. It's rare - and needed.)Replies: @Chrisnonymous
All I can suggest is that maybe there's an enterprising grad student who'd be willing to work with Steve as a collaborator to make that happen. Damned if I know where you'd get the money to pay a collaborator. You can write on a shoestring, but having money is better. (By "having money is better", I mean it makes a difference whether you can get to an archive, make yourself available for unpaid speaking engagements that'll tighten up your thinking, pay a phone bill that's getting out of hand, etc.)
“Denizens” is the right word, and I would include Ta-Nehisis Coates in that group…. As Derb would say, “we are doomed.”
Steve,
You keep trying to get us to stay back here on the wrong side of history. It is a moral advancement to destroy people for what they think rather than because of their race, ethnicity, nationality, or religion.
Steve,
That was a tour de force. I seriously believe that millions of political science and international relations majors could save themselves a lot of money and time by reading that article and skipping their last two years of school.
Well done.
Nice, succinct and well-written summary of the major themes Steve has been covering in the past year or so.
Great comment.
Those first two paragraphs are absolutely brilliant. If anything has any chance of bridging the gulf between left and right, maybe this is a good start. The sticking point, as always will be the very idea of racial identity for Whites. Given what is going on in Europe right now though I think this will resonate for many on the left too.
Steve, one point that you miss, and it is perhaps the most important point of all is the *moral* right of the white west to remain the white west, regardless of politicians, economists, professional liars, and any other faux ‘justification’ of race replacement.
At root, this is the only point that really counts.
In America I think conservatives have more kids than liberals. But liberals control the indoctrination of the youth through education. Thus many kids from conservative homes become liberal. If a conservative couple has three kids they are lucky if one remains conservative after 12 years of school.
Does this not exist in Israel? How do conservative Israelis go to school and not become indoctrinated? Or are their history books just not written by the Howard Zinns of this world?
Nature selects for those that are more aggressive in maintaining their advantages, so what's going to happen to the soft, self-loathing whites who populate the left and refuse to defend their own group's values and culture when blacks and latinos finally seize the reins of the Democratic Party? I suspect they will go the way of Woodrow Wilson at Princeton - despite their progressive bona fides they will join the list of people to be shamed and shunned for real or perceived offenses against the oppressed.Replies: @iSteveFan
Great column, Steve.
Also, is the right/left divide the same in Israel as it is everywhere else? I doubt if the Israeli left goes on about Jewish privilege or indulges in the ethnomasochism that defines the left in the US and Europe. I think there’s a consensus across the political spectrum that the country is by its founding principles a Jewish state. Can you imagine an Israeli socialist candidate squirming uncomfortably if a journalist asked him if he intends to serve Jewish interests, the way a white Western politician (Orbán excepted) would do in the equivalent situation?
A real tour de force, Steve. Particularly the comment about conservatives being the second most liberal people on earth.
What I am amazed at is that nowadays most everyone knows, through the power of the internet, that in every white country on earth the immigration level is increasing at a worrying rate and they have a good idea that it will bring about our genocide – though not in those terms. A decade ago I thought that we would require a compelling documentary to bring about this understanding. I would not have thought likely that people similarly as literate and intelligent would be writing comment after comment in the major online newspapers displaying the understanding I had back then and found it extremely challenging to communicate.
The unfortunate thing is that rather than deal with these problems openly through rigorous debate, the left and mainstream right have attempted to use all manner of dirty tricks to prevent this debate from occurring… in all white countries. Globalization of thought, of media, of elite and their ideas have seen to this. So we have this pressure cooker situation building. Elites have doubled down on immigration for various purposes. Immigrants have been dispersed everywhere possible. And it is this as much as anything… our lying eyes conveying the reality of what is transpiring, that is bringing about a mass conversion of attitudes. Everywhere.
The analogy to a pressure cooker is the same as to a bomb. You can pour a can of gunpowder on the ground, light it, and you will get a flash but the reaction is harmless from a few feet away due to the ease in which it is dissipated. Put that same gunpowder into a thick steel sphere with an inconsequential hole to introduce the initial spark of the reaction – a vast difference. The reaction has nowhere to go at first. But it is a mistake to think that one is preventing anything in the nanoseconds that the steel sphere contains the reaction. No, all that is done by this is ensure that the reaction is continued to the furthest possible extent as it pushes against the mutual constraint of the shell, finding no outlet. When the containing shell eventually bursts as it must, an immensely powerful, outwardly focused shockwave is the only possible result, and this must destroy everything in its path for a good radius.
How to diffuse this situation? The governments of the world must act firstly to stop cramming the steel shell of Europe and Anglosphere with more powder. Then they must act to remove the existing gunpowder from what is now a bomb of their own construction. Good luck with that.
One of my theories of why Western elites have been pushing immigration so hard is to take the pressure off of "developing" countries that would otherwise have gone kaboom due to over-population. That certainly seems to have been the case with Mexico and in some sense it worked, the US essentially absorbed Mexico's population increase, and this kept things sort of puttering along there.
However, in the long run its a bad strategy, since the over-population in these countries would have reached a natural limit if the US and Europe hadn't taken in so much of the excess.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Chrisnonymous, @AnotherDad
The question of the century will be whether we Westerners can set aside our self-indulgent resentments of our fellow citizens to bond together in self-defense.
What’s with this “we” and “our”?
Any simple observation of the West is that “we” and “our” does not include me or us.
Your “question of the century” has already been resolved: we are not doing this to ourselves; they are doing it to us. You just need to define who “they” are and then everything becomes clear.
The first to go are fence sitters:
But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.
But then, infuriatingly, he goes back to this weird blank slate state of mind where the genocide of whites is being caused by status whoring among a literal "Hollywood-Harvard-WASP mafia" and the bleeding hearts of "nice white ladies." I don't get it. The world is flat or it's not, but for Steve it can be flat on Monday and then round again on Tuesday.
Allow me to introduce you to Israeli journalist Amira Hass
Antagonistic nationalist governments arise as proxies or byproducts of imperial conflict. The German Empire stoked Irish nationalism in their conflict with the British Empire, the British stoked Arab nationalism against the German allied Ottomans, the Russian Empire stoked the Armenians against the Ottomans and the Serbs against the Austro-Hungarian and German empires, the Third Reich stoked Eastern European and Indian nationalism against Russia and Britain, Imperial Japan stoked SE Asian nationalists against the European empires, the US stoked SE Asian nationalism against Japan, etc.
The problem now is that there has been too much state peace. Immigration and low-intensity conflict and crime is not enough to generate antagonistic nationalist governments. For that you want major conflict and war, and at this point that’s only really possible with Russia or China.
Conservative whites have more kids than liberal whites, so overall the white electorate is moving away from the left. However, the fertility rate for blacks and latinos is still above that of whites so on the whole the left still has a great future ahead of it provided it turns out voters. We’ll probably have much more overtly racial politics as well.
Nature selects for those that are more aggressive in maintaining their advantages, so what’s going to happen to the soft, self-loathing whites who populate the left and refuse to defend their own group’s values and culture when blacks and latinos finally seize the reins of the Democratic Party? I suspect they will go the way of Woodrow Wilson at Princeton – despite their progressive bona fides they will join the list of people to be shamed and shunned for real or perceived offenses against the oppressed.
Steve, good essay, but, er, uh, can anyone trust this U. S. government, or the successor to Obama’s government, to act rightly in a righteous cause?
I love your closing,
Unfortunately, the people that need to read your article aren’t going to see it in Taki’s.
Yeah, they have that, but its followers are fewer. It’s the line of the _Haaretz_ newspaper, which has always had a market share of about 3% in Israel — but seemingly 100% among the foreign press corps!
Putin and Erdogan are rulers of vaguely similar views, so it will be illuminating to see if they can avoid conflict.
What?
Erdogan is someone who far more closely resembles the Western image of Putin than Putin himself does.
Nature selects for those that are more aggressive in maintaining their advantages, so what's going to happen to the soft, self-loathing whites who populate the left and refuse to defend their own group's values and culture when blacks and latinos finally seize the reins of the Democratic Party? I suspect they will go the way of Woodrow Wilson at Princeton - despite their progressive bona fides they will join the list of people to be shamed and shunned for real or perceived offenses against the oppressed.Replies: @iSteveFan
You don’t seem to understand that kids from conservative homes are being educated by the other side. I’ve seen plenty of families whose kids have turned. White liberals might not be having more kids than conservatives, but they are taking on converts through their influence on education.
OT, but something that might be of interest to readers here. The Turks claimed they downed the Russian Su-24 because it spent something like 17 seconds in their airspace. Here is a BBC article from the summer of 2012, when Syria downed a Turkish F-4 that had strayed into Syrian airspace. Here is what the President of Turkey at that time said about the incident:
Interesting that three years later Turkey seems to have taken a different view.
Do people really want war?
I’m fine with the world being a peaceful group of independent states, living in peace with and being free of one another. No more NATO, no more EU, no more Arab wars, and no more trade with China.
Sounds pretty good to me.
jack/oh – your username appears to be giving unz.com problems. with other commenters you can click on their name to see their commenting history. but your name has a slash in the middle and it appears to be throwing off the software. when i click onto your name to see your commenting history, i get a ‘not found’ error.
What I am amazed at is that nowadays most everyone knows, through the power of the internet, that in every white country on earth the immigration level is increasing at a worrying rate and they have a good idea that it will bring about our genocide - though not in those terms. A decade ago I thought that we would require a compelling documentary to bring about this understanding. I would not have thought likely that people similarly as literate and intelligent would be writing comment after comment in the major online newspapers displaying the understanding I had back then and found it extremely challenging to communicate.
The unfortunate thing is that rather than deal with these problems openly through rigorous debate, the left and mainstream right have attempted to use all manner of dirty tricks to prevent this debate from occurring... in all white countries. Globalization of thought, of media, of elite and their ideas have seen to this. So we have this pressure cooker situation building. Elites have doubled down on immigration for various purposes. Immigrants have been dispersed everywhere possible. And it is this as much as anything... our lying eyes conveying the reality of what is transpiring, that is bringing about a mass conversion of attitudes. Everywhere.
The analogy to a pressure cooker is the same as to a bomb. You can pour a can of gunpowder on the ground, light it, and you will get a flash but the reaction is harmless from a few feet away due to the ease in which it is dissipated. Put that same gunpowder into a thick steel sphere with an inconsequential hole to introduce the initial spark of the reaction - a vast difference. The reaction has nowhere to go at first. But it is a mistake to think that one is preventing anything in the nanoseconds that the steel sphere contains the reaction. No, all that is done by this is ensure that the reaction is continued to the furthest possible extent as it pushes against the mutual constraint of the shell, finding no outlet. When the containing shell eventually bursts as it must, an immensely powerful, outwardly focused shockwave is the only possible result, and this must destroy everything in its path for a good radius.
How to diffuse this situation? The governments of the world must act firstly to stop cramming the steel shell of Europe and Anglosphere with more powder. Then they must act to remove the existing gunpowder from what is now a bomb of their own construction. Good luck with that.Replies: @Ed
I agree, but I think a big part of the issue is global over-population, and most people still haven’t “gotten” that.
One of my theories of why Western elites have been pushing immigration so hard is to take the pressure off of “developing” countries that would otherwise have gone kaboom due to over-population. That certainly seems to have been the case with Mexico and in some sense it worked, the US essentially absorbed Mexico’s population increase, and this kept things sort of puttering along there.
However, in the long run its a bad strategy, since the over-population in these countries would have reached a natural limit if the US and Europe hadn’t taken in so much of the excess.
The fact is immigration is simply insufficient to have any serious population effect on the source nations. (There have been past exceptions like Ireland--very small nation, very big immigration--but they are not the norm.) What matters for curbing over population in these developing countries is simply curbing the fertility.
And that they have done!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_fertility_rate
Population growth has abated considerably in almost all regions of the world. Latin America is near, will soon be at replacement fertility. (Mexico is at replacement fertility. ) Even in the Arab world fertility has dropped dramatically. Egypt the Arab pop heavyweight is down to 2.8. Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Saudi Arabia, some Gulf States all around replacement. Even in the wider muslim world--Iran and Turkey, some of the 'stans, below replacement. Heavyweight Indonesia at or near. Bangladesh following below 2.5. Pakistan trailing but the CIA claiming they are now below 3. Mostly Hindu world heavyweight India is now down below 2.5. China and East Asia pretty much all below replacement. There are some outliers--Iraq (hey, there's a war), Palestine, Yemen, the Philippines for a Christian country--but the clear worldwide trend is strongly toward replacement--actually toward sub-replacement--fertility.
In fact, but for this insane mass immigration, about half the world's land surface solidly below replacement fertility would already be at\near peak population and trending down. Another quarter at\near replacement.
Immigration alone is what keeps populations--and population pressure--rising throughout the West and some huge chunks of territory (US, Canada, Europe, Australia). What's keeping the West from population stabilization. Yet, this emmigration is just numerically insignificant for the source countries--exception Mexico--and did nothing to stabilize them (Mexico included). Developing nations needed to get to the demographic transition--and did. Immigration isn't a over-0population stabilizer but a over-population irritant.
The big outlier in all this picture--Africa. Population wise Africa is the gift that keeps on giving. A disaster. Africa--and Africa alone--is what's behind all those gloomy "world population" projections. The world without it is trending to be just fine. African immigration does nothing to alleviate Africa's "population pressure" and just dirties up the West. What is required is "containment".
But is there any sign that this relatively positive non-African population picture is changing elite attitudes? Have you seen any elite commentary along the lines of "Mexico has dropped to replacement fertility so our policy of letting Mexicans come to the US has outlived its usefulness. Mexicans really need to stay in Mexico to keep its population stabilized." I think we both know the the answer to that question. Heck, Obama tried to launch a "children's crusade" last year. (Amnesty is still just a given--what every right thinking persons *knows* must happen.) "Taking the pressure off" just never had anything to do with the open borders mania.
This immigration enthusiasm has different roots. The western "left"--post-War\post-holocaust--has morphed from representing oppressed workers to an intense minoritarianism\anti-nationalism borrowed form the Jews. (In part no-doubt because workers in the West have it pretty nice, many labor aims having been achieved. And the left needed a cause that never ended. Grievance that could not be appeased.) Left ideology: minorities are the oppressed, white gentiles the oppressors. And practically, increased diversity creates and justifies more state intervention--more power, more jobs, more graft for the left. My quip for this: "Diversity is the health of the state."
In addition, financial and corporate elites, want open borders to the free flow of goods and capital. Free flow of people is much less important, but provides cheap labor and balkanizes\crushes native populations who could provide any republican resistance to being bossed around.
With minoritarian leftism backed by the financial\corporate elites immigration enthusiasm is the dominant ideology. Concerns about 3rd world population pressure had\have *nothing* to do with it--and immigration is to low to have significant numerical impact on the source nations. Immigrationism is still rolling along full steam, while non-African population pressures abate. Over population is simply not what this is about. It's about power, money and hate.Replies: @5371, @Anonym
The narcissism of minor differences? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences)
Well spotted. Good work.
I'm fine with the world being a peaceful group of independent states, living in peace with and being free of one another. No more NATO, no more EU, no more Arab wars, and no more trade with China.
Sounds pretty good to me.Replies: @njguy73, @Thea
Imagine there are countries, religions, and possessions. Yet the world lives as one anyway.
One of my theories of why Western elites have been pushing immigration so hard is to take the pressure off of "developing" countries that would otherwise have gone kaboom due to over-population. That certainly seems to have been the case with Mexico and in some sense it worked, the US essentially absorbed Mexico's population increase, and this kept things sort of puttering along there.
However, in the long run its a bad strategy, since the over-population in these countries would have reached a natural limit if the US and Europe hadn't taken in so much of the excess.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Chrisnonymous, @AnotherDad
“One of my theories of why Western elites have been pushing immigration so hard is to take the pressure off of “developing” countries that would otherwise have gone kaboom due to over-population. That certainly seems to have been the case with Mexico and in some sense it worked, the US essentially absorbed Mexico’s population increase, and this kept things sort of puttering along there.”
That was articulated in The Atlantic in the 1990s by the fellow who Mexican became foreign minister in 2000.
But it’s the kind of thing that needs to be studied quantitatively in depth, not just hand-waved at.
It’s possible it works in North American because the shape of the continent: Anglo-America is a lot wider than North American Latin America. And it depends upon the Southern Cone of South America attracting immigrants from northern South America.
But Europe is too small to handle the excess population of the Middle East, Africa and South Asia.
As we slide into the abyss a small cool space rockety distraction
Steve, you put in words what I can only babble. Thank you.
Enjoy Thanksgiving with relish. (Actually with cranberry sauce, but you know what I mean.)
I would remind American readers this Thanksgiving to remember how the builders and conceivers of our country came here to a wilderness and planted the seeds that grew into what we now enjoy.
And what is endangered.
When you wait in long lines at the airport to be scanned and frisked, remember who we are — and how “invading and inviting the world” screwed it all up.
And when you finally get on that amazing jet airplane that was invented and built by your people, just realize the fact, please.
I recall a FT article about the Israeli left a few months ago. “We are a nation of immigrants” and the usual stock phrases for Open Borders were parroted. The only difference with Israel and the West is that Israel has no margin for error. It is too small geographically and demographically to support German style suicide.
A couple of thoughts. Anti-White hatred among Whites has among its components the Cold War and nuclear annihilation fears. You did not see this until the USSR and US threatened to destroy the human race in a global nuclear war, and oh by the way sidelined Europe as unimportant bystanders suddenly. It is not modernity as much as the threat for 40 plus years of nuclear annihilation that created anti-White hysteria among elites.
Second, STATUS competition among men for the few remaining non-fat females, and STATUS competition among women for the most high holy, are the self-reinforcing feedback mechanisms of political correctness. Roissy/Heartiste deserves IMHO serious consideration as one of the first to elucidate this process. Beta male provision is no longer needed, and so women go to status and what better status than the handicap version of the peacock tail — support for mass third world immigration because one’s male status is so high it is not threatened by it?
This finds support by leftist “scary brown people” sneering about lack of male status. No accident as the Marxists say that those MOST in weeping support of mass third world males coming are post-Wall White educated Western women with HATE HATE HATE for beta White males more interested in abstract things than personal domination and blowing people up and shooting them. As Steve noted, “Chicks dig Chechens.”
Third is that Whites have little experience in dealing with non-Whites. Norwegians were isolated by geography from non-Whites coming and taking over and essentially enslaving them. Not any more of course.
The BLM/Black Autumn shows that there is no more role for White elites. Logically, non-Whites demand they all be purged. Colleges and Universities will all be run by Al Sharpton types, and be the education equivalent of Detroit and Baltimore. There is no more role for Whites anywhere.
Which means conflict and war are brewing INSIDE White countries. Men like Patton Oswalt or Bill Burr cannot make a living under non-White rules and Jerry Seinfeld resents being told by non-Whites about what he can and cannot say and do.
You’ll note Sailer’s link to their sites.
Even College Administrators will be purged, along with White politicians, lawyers, judges, etc. The demands are endless and won’t stop without hard men doing hard things. Its an environment where only the fighters win. Wimpy surrender is pushed hard but is as unsatisfying in real life as it is dramatically. That’s why politicians like Orban, Le Pen, Trump, Wilders etc. are on the rise and Hollande is desperately trying to cast himself as a fighter. If Hollande wants to win he’ll have to start deporting Muslims from France.
Since Muslims are not playing the “respectable” card (Houllebecq’s novel is more cast as the rise of Hitler to power democratically deliberately than one that predicts the future) but rather the Jihad card. Self organizing criminal/jihadis who are the same thing periodically kill the infidel, branching out from Jews to music lovers and doubtless other targets.
War is of course coming, and it will be “total” in that there will be no White society and place absent from what amounts to ethnic/racial war for who controls what territory. With a mass of non-White military age men against a declining White population filled with Beta Males very good at thinking up imaginative ways to kill.
As Europe becomes ISIS vs. nationalists, there is no space for Quisling type traitors. So there is no upside for treason and every reason for fighting.
Speed can hardly be the reason. The Turks claim if 17 seconds to transverse 1.3 miles is 240 MPH, or about stall speed.
What?Replies: @iffen, @inertial
It is questionable whether similar views increases or decreases the chances of conflict.
Something to consider: what if the much -abused college presidents believe that the BLM movement and its progeny will be helpful in getting out the black vote (that is its purpose, no?)…and being good progressives, they think that is a good thing.
Perhaps they are OK with being shouted at, a little, and then agreeing to some silly demands right away. In the meantime, BLM or the Justice League gets national publicity, and galvanizes Black Bodies into action to resist the White Gaze (that Te-Nesi Coates lingo can be kind of fun…like Pig Latin). Even better if some pale college kid is goaded into pushing back…it is no accident that the ones doing the screaming and shoving are usually black women; any resistance will be protrayed as both a part of the War against Blacks and Women, thus ringing two bells at once!
Is this whole thing just Kabuki?
Great column, one of your best ever.
Liberals should take the final paragraph to be the olive branch that it is. Join us in seriously defending the West from Islam and other non-liberal foreign elements or be purged alongside them. There’s no point in celebrating trivialities like court-ordered sodomarriage when you bring in people who stone homosexuals.
I sure as hell don't want to fight immigration in order to defend sodomarriage or feminazis. I'd rather hold out an olive branch to Moslems and join them in crushing the feminists and the LGBTQWERTY crowd.
If there's going to be a "we" that includes liberals then include me out. Any conservatives silly enough to ally with liberals will find themselves used and then thrown under the bus when the liberals decide they don't need them any more.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Romanian
The leftists I know aren't really big into sodomarriage but the class struggle burns bright.Replies: @Desiderius
http://heterodoxacademy.org/2015/11/24/the-yale-problem-begins-in-high-school/
If only they’d have understood how the amendment process would be disregarded.
White liberals might not be having more kids than conservatives, but they are taking on converts through their influence on education.
There’s something distinctly American Protestant about this: the idea of constant evangelization rather than working hard at building and maintaining a multigenerational community. Anti Gnostic and others have riffed on this.
It took lots of fighting and dying for many anti-colonial national independence movements to fight off Western elites and succeed. It wasn’t just handed to them in many cases. They had to pay a price. Vietnam for example spent 3 decades and lost more than half a million men fighting the French and then the Americans. It’d be nice if Western elites can be talked and reasoned into relenting, but it’s not clear that a de facto anti-colonial independence struggle by Westerners against Western elites won’t be contentious.
+1 on that.
This a remarkable essay. It reminds just how much more Sailer is than the clever court jester.
(For those who don’t know history, calling Steve a “clever court jester” is by no means an insult; indeed, it’s a very much a compliment. But he shows again and again a much deeper level of thought. Those ideas deserve more work. There’s only a few people out there fleshing out ideas along these lines of thought. It’s rare – and needed.)
But I meant that the article is only successful because it is preaching to the choir. It needs to be filled out a lot more in order to hang together properly--requires long-form or book format to influence anyone who is not a Sailerite.
Steve,
Why don't you try your hand at a longer-form essay?
I'm fine with the world being a peaceful group of independent states, living in peace with and being free of one another. No more NATO, no more EU, no more Arab wars, and no more trade with China.
Sounds pretty good to me.Replies: @njguy73, @Thea
Over 90% of all inventions were originally invented for use in war. That they had other uses is incidental. We are a always bellicose species.
Perhaps it's just that the military is so well funded that it can afford more techical/scientific staff. At first sight, it doesn't seem that the majority of inventions throughout history were a response to military necessity - not 90 per cent, anyway.Replies: @Andrei Martyanov, @Romanian
Citation needed.
Capitalist competition has proven quite capable of getting people to invent stuff, just for plain old prosaic reasons--money, status, sex.
No argument we're a bellicose species ... but there are many other ways to compete for sex than smashing other guys on the head and taking their women.
Evidently the line in biography “born in Leningrad”, now St. Petersburg, doesn’t ring a bell. I will explain, Leningrad, in 900 days in 1941-1944, lost more people than US lost throughout all of its history combined. I would say that Putin (who WAS born in Leningrad) knows a thing or two more about conflict than all good ole’ boys from New England higher learning institutions. Comparing Putin and Erdogan in relation to a conflict, well, I may not like the guy (and I have some issues with Vladimir Vladimirovich) but I can assure you–he knows about conflict way more than Erdogan. I will abstain from explaining what it means culturally to live in Leningrad/St. Petersburg, as opposed to Istanbul or even Chicago, but this is a whole other story.
I may not like the guy
There are plenty of Muricans that would love to have Putin as their leader.Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
Yes, he grew up with parents, neighbors, teachers who had experienced the horror that WWII was for Russia. But he was a pup during the 50s and came of age in Russia's roaring 60s. He's a child of the cold war, with WWII providing the backdrop, historical warning.Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
Awesome statistic! Are you sure it’s right? I was hoping an era without war (without unnecessary ones, anyway) might usher in a golden age of scientific progress, as people’s destructive impulses are harnessed to useful purposes.
Perhaps it’s just that the military is so well funded that it can afford more techical/scientific staff. At first sight, it doesn’t seem that the majority of inventions throughout history were a response to military necessity – not 90 per cent, anyway.
If only there was a way to harness the permanent mass movement of peoples to create cheap energy! Or maybe minority grievances can be that inexhaustible source of energy!
I see what you’re trying to do here but most lefties won’t read past the second paragraph. The stuff about the white race. They’ll see that and dismiss the whole thing as Stormfront/Nazi propaganda.
Also, I am waiting for a libertarian rebuttal. The title might have been 'The Limits of Right Libertarianism.'Replies: @JackOH
Perhaps it's just that the military is so well funded that it can afford more techical/scientific staff. At first sight, it doesn't seem that the majority of inventions throughout history were a response to military necessity - not 90 per cent, anyway.Replies: @Andrei Martyanov, @Romanian
It is right. Or is very close to being right.
Well Turkey kills people for crossing their border so comparatively a border fence isn’t that extreme.
As in many European countries without separation of church and state(where you can have catholic, protestant, jewish etc. publicly funded schools) Israel has state supported parallel school systems for almost all segments of society. Although the left in Israel is quite as deranged as the left in the USA, they don’t have the same stranglehold on K-12 education as here.
The Yale woman’s name is Jerelyn Luther.
“How the introduction of farming changed the human genome”: Study tracks gene changes during the introduction of farming in Europe, ScienceDaily, Harvard Medical School, November 23, 2015:
So does this maybe mean white people are the oldest farmers in the world? And maybe have time-horizons evolved accordingly?
ultimately this is someone who seems to think WHITE is RIGHT and the rest are subhuman
racism disguised as reason
Liberals should take the final paragraph to be the olive branch that it is. Join us in seriously defending the West from Islam and other non-liberal foreign elements or be purged alongside them. There's no point in celebrating trivialities like court-ordered sodomarriage when you bring in people who stone homosexuals.Replies: @dfordoom, @ua2
Extending an olive branch to liberals is a very big mistake.
I sure as hell don’t want to fight immigration in order to defend sodomarriage or feminazis. I’d rather hold out an olive branch to Moslems and join them in crushing the feminists and the LGBTQWERTY crowd.
If there’s going to be a “we” that includes liberals then include me out. Any conservatives silly enough to ally with liberals will find themselves used and then thrown under the bus when the liberals decide they don’t need them any more.
The problem in the US is that our leftists have adopted crazy ideas. But if they can turn against Muslim immigration based on self-preservation and solidarity, they will, by definition, have started to heal themselves.Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom
Depends. You’re standing still, but events change the frame. The 9% white statistic will affect some people. This is a great piece by Steve, at the right time.
Also, I am waiting for a libertarian rebuttal. The title might have been ‘The Limits of Right Libertarianism.’
I have no problem with a libertarian and deeply humane nation-state saying something like: "The introduction of large numbers of Martians into our nation-state presents with huge quantifiable and qualitative short-term and long-term costs, and benefits that are uncertain and likely to redound to only a few. We likewise believe Martians will incur huge qualitative short-term and long-term costs by introducing themselves into our nation-state, which is alien to them. Therefore, we propose to assist the migrant Martians to obtain material security and political stability on the Mars they know best."
Real estate people have known for a long time that the mere proximity of some people to other people in a neighborhood can impose an undue cost on the people who live there. A government that executes a "forced proximity" scheme by unrestricted migration (or nearly so), such as what we're seeing in Europe, seems to me un-libertarian and un-liberal.
The "open-borders libertarianism" you seem to read in the WSJ and elsewhere seems to me mostly a cover for Big Capital that wants to privatize the benefits and socialize the costs of a new helot work force.
racism disguised as reasonReplies: @G Pinfold
Um, read the piece. You already won. The racists are vanquished. Now you negotiate the peace with your esteemed allies. Good luck.
You know, maybe Rep. Hank Johnson can halt this migration if we suggest that Europe will tip over and capsize if all these black bodies move from a big continent to a small one…
Like the incendiary toilet roll. Or the exploding refrigerator. Seriously even the aeroplane, which was quick to be applied to military use, was invented by some civilian bicycle mechanics.
Citation needed.
What's with this "we" and "our"?
Any simple observation of the West is that "we" and "our" does not include me or us.
Your "question of the century" has already been resolved: we are not doing this to ourselves; they are doing it to us. You just need to define who "they" are and then everything becomes clear.
The first to go are fence sitters:
But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.Replies: @Felix.
So true. Steve really puzzles me with his waffling on this topic. In some of his posts, such as those highlighting hypocrisy vis a vis Israel and the multitude of “is it good for the Jews” references he clearly acknowledges who has true agency in the sad story of the modern West.
But then, infuriatingly, he goes back to this weird blank slate state of mind where the genocide of whites is being caused by status whoring among a literal “Hollywood-Harvard-WASP mafia” and the bleeding hearts of “nice white ladies.” I don’t get it. The world is flat or it’s not, but for Steve it can be flat on Monday and then round again on Tuesday.
Also, I am waiting for a libertarian rebuttal. The title might have been 'The Limits of Right Libertarianism.'Replies: @JackOH
G Pinfold, I vote Libertarian, and think libertarian as a sort of default setting.
I have no problem with a libertarian and deeply humane nation-state saying something like: “The introduction of large numbers of Martians into our nation-state presents with huge quantifiable and qualitative short-term and long-term costs, and benefits that are uncertain and likely to redound to only a few. We likewise believe Martians will incur huge qualitative short-term and long-term costs by introducing themselves into our nation-state, which is alien to them. Therefore, we propose to assist the migrant Martians to obtain material security and political stability on the Mars they know best.”
Real estate people have known for a long time that the mere proximity of some people to other people in a neighborhood can impose an undue cost on the people who live there. A government that executes a “forced proximity” scheme by unrestricted migration (or nearly so), such as what we’re seeing in Europe, seems to me un-libertarian and un-liberal.
The “open-borders libertarianism” you seem to read in the WSJ and elsewhere seems to me mostly a cover for Big Capital that wants to privatize the benefits and socialize the costs of a new helot work force.
I agree Turkey has been nothing but trouble in Syria, but they’re actually not the least bit hypocritical re: their plane that was previously shot down by the Assad forces.
Reason being that in retaliation for that incident, Turkey publicly changed their rules of engagement on the Syrian border, warning they’d shoot down any hostile aircraft that crossed into Turkish airspace at all.
Does Russian Empire and Ottoman Empire ring any bells?
I may not like the guy
There are plenty of Muricans that would love to have Putin as their leader.
Where can I subscribe to her 95 theses?
https://youtu.be/9pillaOxGCoReplies: @27 year old
Not a lot of diversity among the team there…
We can all thank the good ol’Soothsailer….
“For example, ever since the Paris massacres, American liberals have been engaged in a collective nervous breakdown over their insistence that their War on Islamophobia is the most important value imaginable.”
First, it’s SOME American liberals. Second, I thought it was “gay marriage” that was the value de jour. Or was it “white lives matter”? Or was it “feminism”? Or was it…
“upon the second-most progressive group on earth, white Western conservatives.”
Conservatives are not, by their very definition, “progressive”.
“The respectable opinion has become that whites cannot morally allow themselves to recognize that Middle Eastern Muslims tend to be the most violently reactionary people.”
Actually, it’s one opinion. And its Muslims who are embrace radical Islam who are “violently reactionary”, not all Muslims.
“But in 2015, all that matters is tribe.”
(Ding, ding, ding) you win a prize, a set of action figures for both the Coalition Of The Fringes, rightist and leftist editions. Don’t fret, the coalition of the conservative fringes are equally skilled compared to the left. Enjoy!
“under the theory of America’s foremost public intellectual, Ta-Nehisi Coates…”
According to WHO is he this “intellectual”? Self-annointed, certainly. But Coates is one of several people the right props up as the mouthpiece of the left. Take a poll of common, every day liberals and ask them whether they even know who is this clown.
“China has rehabilitated Confucius and looks to Singapore’s late rightist ruler Lee Kuan Yew as his modern oracle. The Japanese are increasingly outspoken about their appreciation for their own culture under Shinzō Abe. India is ruled by the Hindu nationalist Narendra Modi. Turkey is controlled by a populist conservative party of Islamist and Ottomanist leanings.”
America has never been monolithic. Remember, European nations at the founding of our country referred to themselves as “races” and were wary of one another’s intentions; da Joos, blacks, and Native Americans were also integral members in assisting in the development of our nation. Something amazing happened in America–different ethnic groups and races intermingled, which was shocking to Europeans.
This a remarkable essay. It reminds just how much more Sailer is than the clever court jester.
(For those who don't know history, calling Steve a "clever court jester" is by no means an insult; indeed, it's a very much a compliment. But he shows again and again a much deeper level of thought. Those ideas deserve more work. There's only a few people out there fleshing out ideas along these lines of thought. It's rare - and needed.)Replies: @Chrisnonymous
Yes, Sailer is like a Shakespearean character, isn’t he?
But I meant that the article is only successful because it is preaching to the choir. It needs to be filled out a lot more in order to hang together properly–requires long-form or book format to influence anyone who is not a Sailerite.
Steve,
Why don’t you try your hand at a longer-form essay?
I sure as hell don't want to fight immigration in order to defend sodomarriage or feminazis. I'd rather hold out an olive branch to Moslems and join them in crushing the feminists and the LGBTQWERTY crowd.
If there's going to be a "we" that includes liberals then include me out. Any conservatives silly enough to ally with liberals will find themselves used and then thrown under the bus when the liberals decide they don't need them any more.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Romanian
I disagree. We are all quite liberal. If you don’t recognize that, you don’t know much about the world outside.
The problem in the US is that our leftists have adopted crazy ideas. But if they can turn against Muslim immigration based on self-preservation and solidarity, they will, by definition, have started to heal themselves.
One of the difficulties of trying to have political discussions these days is that virtually none of the terms commonly used have any meaning whatsoever. Liberal, progressive, conservative, left-wing, right-wing, fascist - these are words that no longer mean what they used to mean, in fact they no longer mean very much at all.
If you asked the average self-identified liberal to define liberalism you'd get a slew of meaningless slogans and tired cliches that have no connection with what liberalism used to be.
US leftists are not leftist by any sensible definition of the term. They are useful idiots for powerful elites who have no ideology other than power. They are brain-dead nihilists intent only on demonstrating their shining virtue. They understand nothing. They are spoilt children. The "turn against Muslim immigration" has been dictated by the elites. The ordinary "leftist" foot-soldiers lack the ability to make such decisions. They will do as they are told.
It’s not as simple as education. Kids don’t just believe what they’re taught. There’s peer conformity, reinforcement by celebrities, etc
I may not like the guy
There are plenty of Muricans that would love to have Putin as their leader.Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
What “empire” has to do anything with Putin?
One of my theories of why Western elites have been pushing immigration so hard is to take the pressure off of "developing" countries that would otherwise have gone kaboom due to over-population. That certainly seems to have been the case with Mexico and in some sense it worked, the US essentially absorbed Mexico's population increase, and this kept things sort of puttering along there.
However, in the long run its a bad strategy, since the over-population in these countries would have reached a natural limit if the US and Europe hadn't taken in so much of the excess.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Chrisnonymous, @AnotherDad
This is verging on Unzism. Do you have any plausible evidence that elites are actually trying to help Mexico deal with overpopulation via immigration?
With the aircraft shot down, Russia seems to be trying to provoke a war with Turkey. Putin will fulfill the Czarist desire for a warm water port in Constantinople (formally Istanbul.) Soon Russian dreadnoughts will be patrolling the middle sea. Before, the British empire would prop up the sick man of Europe. Who will stop them now? Can Obama form a coalition of Britain, France, and Turkey and sent them into the Valley of Death as he leads from behind?
Russia is the provocative one? No European member of NATO would have shot down the Russian plan under these circumstances. Turkey is operating under its own agenda and is something of a loose cannon.
Indeed, and to me the thing is there are probably various groups who could do it and some who could do it better – the big difference is wanting to do it.
One of my theories of why Western elites have been pushing immigration so hard is to take the pressure off of "developing" countries that would otherwise have gone kaboom due to over-population. That certainly seems to have been the case with Mexico and in some sense it worked, the US essentially absorbed Mexico's population increase, and this kept things sort of puttering along there.
However, in the long run its a bad strategy, since the over-population in these countries would have reached a natural limit if the US and Europe hadn't taken in so much of the excess.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Chrisnonymous, @AnotherDad
No, your theory is wrong. And i’m going to disagree with Steve. Hand waving is pretty much entirely sufficient to debunk it.
The fact is immigration is simply insufficient to have any serious population effect on the source nations. (There have been past exceptions like Ireland–very small nation, very big immigration–but they are not the norm.) What matters for curbing over population in these developing countries is simply curbing the fertility.
And that they have done!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_fertility_rate
Population growth has abated considerably in almost all regions of the world. Latin America is near, will soon be at replacement fertility. (Mexico is at replacement fertility. ) Even in the Arab world fertility has dropped dramatically. Egypt the Arab pop heavyweight is down to 2.8. Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Saudi Arabia, some Gulf States all around replacement. Even in the wider muslim world–Iran and Turkey, some of the ‘stans, below replacement. Heavyweight Indonesia at or near. Bangladesh following below 2.5. Pakistan trailing but the CIA claiming they are now below 3. Mostly Hindu world heavyweight India is now down below 2.5. China and East Asia pretty much all below replacement. There are some outliers–Iraq (hey, there’s a war), Palestine, Yemen, the Philippines for a Christian country–but the clear worldwide trend is strongly toward replacement–actually toward sub-replacement–fertility.
In fact, but for this insane mass immigration, about half the world’s land surface solidly below replacement fertility would already be at\near peak population and trending down. Another quarter at\near replacement.
Immigration alone is what keeps populations–and population pressure–rising throughout the West and some huge chunks of territory (US, Canada, Europe, Australia). What’s keeping the West from population stabilization. Yet, this emmigration is just numerically insignificant for the source countries–exception Mexico–and did nothing to stabilize them (Mexico included). Developing nations needed to get to the demographic transition–and did. Immigration isn’t a over-0population stabilizer but a over-population irritant.
The big outlier in all this picture–Africa. Population wise Africa is the gift that keeps on giving. A disaster. Africa–and Africa alone–is what’s behind all those gloomy “world population” projections. The world without it is trending to be just fine. African immigration does nothing to alleviate Africa’s “population pressure” and just dirties up the West. What is required is “containment”.
But is there any sign that this relatively positive non-African population picture is changing elite attitudes? Have you seen any elite commentary along the lines of “Mexico has dropped to replacement fertility so our policy of letting Mexicans come to the US has outlived its usefulness. Mexicans really need to stay in Mexico to keep its population stabilized.” I think we both know the the answer to that question. Heck, Obama tried to launch a “children’s crusade” last year. (Amnesty is still just a given–what every right thinking persons *knows* must happen.) “Taking the pressure off” just never had anything to do with the open borders mania.
This immigration enthusiasm has different roots. The western “left”–post-War\post-holocaust–has morphed from representing oppressed workers to an intense minoritarianism\anti-nationalism borrowed form the Jews. (In part no-doubt because workers in the West have it pretty nice, many labor aims having been achieved. And the left needed a cause that never ended. Grievance that could not be appeased.) Left ideology: minorities are the oppressed, white gentiles the oppressors. And practically, increased diversity creates and justifies more state intervention–more power, more jobs, more graft for the left. My quip for this: “Diversity is the health of the state.”
In addition, financial and corporate elites, want open borders to the free flow of goods and capital. Free flow of people is much less important, but provides cheap labor and balkanizes\crushes native populations who could provide any republican resistance to being bossed around.
With minoritarian leftism backed by the financial\corporate elites immigration enthusiasm is the dominant ideology. Concerns about 3rd world population pressure had\have *nothing* to do with it–and immigration is to low to have significant numerical impact on the source nations. Immigrationism is still rolling along full steam, while non-African population pressures abate. Over population is simply not what this is about. It’s about power, money and hate.
Putin experienced precisely none of this. (We’re well on to the post-War generation of leaders throughout the world. BushI, Yeltsin, Thatcher, Kohl, Jiang, Chirac were that last to have any direct experience with the war.)
Yes, he grew up with parents, neighbors, teachers who had experienced the horror that WWII was for Russia. But he was a pup during the 50s and came of age in Russia’s roaring 60s. He’s a child of the cold war, with WWII providing the backdrop, historical warning.
War, by increasing competitive pressure *speeds* innovation. (Obvious example aircraft in WWII, then the cold war.) But it’s created nothing like 90% of inventions.
Capitalist competition has proven quite capable of getting people to invent stuff, just for plain old prosaic reasons–money, status, sex.
No argument we’re a bellicose species … but there are many other ways to compete for sex than smashing other guys on the head and taking their women.
The fact is immigration is simply insufficient to have any serious population effect on the source nations. (There have been past exceptions like Ireland--very small nation, very big immigration--but they are not the norm.) What matters for curbing over population in these developing countries is simply curbing the fertility.
And that they have done!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_fertility_rate
Population growth has abated considerably in almost all regions of the world. Latin America is near, will soon be at replacement fertility. (Mexico is at replacement fertility. ) Even in the Arab world fertility has dropped dramatically. Egypt the Arab pop heavyweight is down to 2.8. Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Saudi Arabia, some Gulf States all around replacement. Even in the wider muslim world--Iran and Turkey, some of the 'stans, below replacement. Heavyweight Indonesia at or near. Bangladesh following below 2.5. Pakistan trailing but the CIA claiming they are now below 3. Mostly Hindu world heavyweight India is now down below 2.5. China and East Asia pretty much all below replacement. There are some outliers--Iraq (hey, there's a war), Palestine, Yemen, the Philippines for a Christian country--but the clear worldwide trend is strongly toward replacement--actually toward sub-replacement--fertility.
In fact, but for this insane mass immigration, about half the world's land surface solidly below replacement fertility would already be at\near peak population and trending down. Another quarter at\near replacement.
Immigration alone is what keeps populations--and population pressure--rising throughout the West and some huge chunks of territory (US, Canada, Europe, Australia). What's keeping the West from population stabilization. Yet, this emmigration is just numerically insignificant for the source countries--exception Mexico--and did nothing to stabilize them (Mexico included). Developing nations needed to get to the demographic transition--and did. Immigration isn't a over-0population stabilizer but a over-population irritant.
The big outlier in all this picture--Africa. Population wise Africa is the gift that keeps on giving. A disaster. Africa--and Africa alone--is what's behind all those gloomy "world population" projections. The world without it is trending to be just fine. African immigration does nothing to alleviate Africa's "population pressure" and just dirties up the West. What is required is "containment".
But is there any sign that this relatively positive non-African population picture is changing elite attitudes? Have you seen any elite commentary along the lines of "Mexico has dropped to replacement fertility so our policy of letting Mexicans come to the US has outlived its usefulness. Mexicans really need to stay in Mexico to keep its population stabilized." I think we both know the the answer to that question. Heck, Obama tried to launch a "children's crusade" last year. (Amnesty is still just a given--what every right thinking persons *knows* must happen.) "Taking the pressure off" just never had anything to do with the open borders mania.
This immigration enthusiasm has different roots. The western "left"--post-War\post-holocaust--has morphed from representing oppressed workers to an intense minoritarianism\anti-nationalism borrowed form the Jews. (In part no-doubt because workers in the West have it pretty nice, many labor aims having been achieved. And the left needed a cause that never ended. Grievance that could not be appeased.) Left ideology: minorities are the oppressed, white gentiles the oppressors. And practically, increased diversity creates and justifies more state intervention--more power, more jobs, more graft for the left. My quip for this: "Diversity is the health of the state."
In addition, financial and corporate elites, want open borders to the free flow of goods and capital. Free flow of people is much less important, but provides cheap labor and balkanizes\crushes native populations who could provide any republican resistance to being bossed around.
With minoritarian leftism backed by the financial\corporate elites immigration enthusiasm is the dominant ideology. Concerns about 3rd world population pressure had\have *nothing* to do with it--and immigration is to low to have significant numerical impact on the source nations. Immigrationism is still rolling along full steam, while non-African population pressures abate. Over population is simply not what this is about. It's about power, money and hate.Replies: @5371, @Anonym
Unfortunately 90% of the figures you found in the CIA “factbook” and similar sources are complete nonsense based on nothing. The least contact with census data explodes them.
Yes, he grew up with parents, neighbors, teachers who had experienced the horror that WWII was for Russia. But he was a pup during the 50s and came of age in Russia's roaring 60s. He's a child of the cold war, with WWII providing the backdrop, historical warning.Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
Evidently you never heard of such thing as shared historical experience. Visiting Piskaryovskoe Cemetery or knowing that you will never see your grandfathers (such as in my typical Russian family–all killed on the fronts of Great patriotic War) and even grandmothers–may help to understand but I doubt it will, honestly.
The fact is immigration is simply insufficient to have any serious population effect on the source nations. (There have been past exceptions like Ireland--very small nation, very big immigration--but they are not the norm.) What matters for curbing over population in these developing countries is simply curbing the fertility.
And that they have done!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_fertility_rate
Population growth has abated considerably in almost all regions of the world. Latin America is near, will soon be at replacement fertility. (Mexico is at replacement fertility. ) Even in the Arab world fertility has dropped dramatically. Egypt the Arab pop heavyweight is down to 2.8. Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Saudi Arabia, some Gulf States all around replacement. Even in the wider muslim world--Iran and Turkey, some of the 'stans, below replacement. Heavyweight Indonesia at or near. Bangladesh following below 2.5. Pakistan trailing but the CIA claiming they are now below 3. Mostly Hindu world heavyweight India is now down below 2.5. China and East Asia pretty much all below replacement. There are some outliers--Iraq (hey, there's a war), Palestine, Yemen, the Philippines for a Christian country--but the clear worldwide trend is strongly toward replacement--actually toward sub-replacement--fertility.
In fact, but for this insane mass immigration, about half the world's land surface solidly below replacement fertility would already be at\near peak population and trending down. Another quarter at\near replacement.
Immigration alone is what keeps populations--and population pressure--rising throughout the West and some huge chunks of territory (US, Canada, Europe, Australia). What's keeping the West from population stabilization. Yet, this emmigration is just numerically insignificant for the source countries--exception Mexico--and did nothing to stabilize them (Mexico included). Developing nations needed to get to the demographic transition--and did. Immigration isn't a over-0population stabilizer but a over-population irritant.
The big outlier in all this picture--Africa. Population wise Africa is the gift that keeps on giving. A disaster. Africa--and Africa alone--is what's behind all those gloomy "world population" projections. The world without it is trending to be just fine. African immigration does nothing to alleviate Africa's "population pressure" and just dirties up the West. What is required is "containment".
But is there any sign that this relatively positive non-African population picture is changing elite attitudes? Have you seen any elite commentary along the lines of "Mexico has dropped to replacement fertility so our policy of letting Mexicans come to the US has outlived its usefulness. Mexicans really need to stay in Mexico to keep its population stabilized." I think we both know the the answer to that question. Heck, Obama tried to launch a "children's crusade" last year. (Amnesty is still just a given--what every right thinking persons *knows* must happen.) "Taking the pressure off" just never had anything to do with the open borders mania.
This immigration enthusiasm has different roots. The western "left"--post-War\post-holocaust--has morphed from representing oppressed workers to an intense minoritarianism\anti-nationalism borrowed form the Jews. (In part no-doubt because workers in the West have it pretty nice, many labor aims having been achieved. And the left needed a cause that never ended. Grievance that could not be appeased.) Left ideology: minorities are the oppressed, white gentiles the oppressors. And practically, increased diversity creates and justifies more state intervention--more power, more jobs, more graft for the left. My quip for this: "Diversity is the health of the state."
In addition, financial and corporate elites, want open borders to the free flow of goods and capital. Free flow of people is much less important, but provides cheap labor and balkanizes\crushes native populations who could provide any republican resistance to being bossed around.
With minoritarian leftism backed by the financial\corporate elites immigration enthusiasm is the dominant ideology. Concerns about 3rd world population pressure had\have *nothing* to do with it--and immigration is to low to have significant numerical impact on the source nations. Immigrationism is still rolling along full steam, while non-African population pressures abate. Over population is simply not what this is about. It's about power, money and hate.Replies: @5371, @Anonym
There is another reason that nothing has been done so far to stop immigration and that is that many people especially women have latched onto PC with religious devotion.
The problem in the US is that our leftists have adopted crazy ideas. But if they can turn against Muslim immigration based on self-preservation and solidarity, they will, by definition, have started to heal themselves.Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom
Who is this we you are talking about? I don’t think I belong to the same we that you do. I”m not sure that I belong to any we at all.
One of the difficulties of trying to have political discussions these days is that virtually none of the terms commonly used have any meaning whatsoever. Liberal, progressive, conservative, left-wing, right-wing, fascist – these are words that no longer mean what they used to mean, in fact they no longer mean very much at all.
If you asked the average self-identified liberal to define liberalism you’d get a slew of meaningless slogans and tired cliches that have no connection with what liberalism used to be.
The problem in the US is that our leftists have adopted crazy ideas. But if they can turn against Muslim immigration based on self-preservation and solidarity, they will, by definition, have started to heal themselves.Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom
Your faith is touching. In fact what we are seeing is a tactical retreat. That is certainly unusual, but it will merely be a prelude to another offensive. The war to destroy western civilisation has certainly not been abandoned.
US leftists are not leftist by any sensible definition of the term. They are useful idiots for powerful elites who have no ideology other than power. They are brain-dead nihilists intent only on demonstrating their shining virtue. They understand nothing. They are spoilt children. The “turn against Muslim immigration” has been dictated by the elites. The ordinary “leftist” foot-soldiers lack the ability to make such decisions. They will do as they are told.
Perhaps it's just that the military is so well funded that it can afford more techical/scientific staff. At first sight, it doesn't seem that the majority of inventions throughout history were a response to military necessity - not 90 per cent, anyway.Replies: @Andrei Martyanov, @Romanian
Instead, you got diversity and feelz 😀
If only there was a way to harness the permanent mass movement of peoples to create cheap energy! Or maybe minority grievances can be that inexhaustible source of energy!
I sure as hell don't want to fight immigration in order to defend sodomarriage or feminazis. I'd rather hold out an olive branch to Moslems and join them in crushing the feminists and the LGBTQWERTY crowd.
If there's going to be a "we" that includes liberals then include me out. Any conservatives silly enough to ally with liberals will find themselves used and then thrown under the bus when the liberals decide they don't need them any more.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Romanian
Oh my God, this is the plot of Submission and The Handmaid’s Tale unfolding beneath our eyes!
I.e. right-wing in the sense of the Prog boogeyman, not right-wing in the sense most actual right-wingers would define their beliefs.
Actual white Western conservatives are (by far) the most Progressive group on earth, in the sense of believing in actual progress – economic growth, improved race relations, medical breakthroughs, labor-saving technology, improved quality of life, liberty, truth, reaching the stars. That is also where one will find proper liberals these days.
Second-place goes to the “above-it-all” difference-splitting apolitical class which makes sure that consensus is always equidistant between the white Western conservatives and whoever sets themselves up as their rivals. Thus a fake-Left parasite protection-racket class has arisen to push the Overton window as far as they can get away with from the white Western conservatives, knowing that the above-it-allers will always go along with the con, and anyone actually concerned with progress will have to pay an ever-increasing toll to be merely left alone.
The only solution I see is to bring the abstraction addicted above-it-allers back down to Earth. That or recruit an actual Left from the ranks of disgruntled “conservatives,” which would allow those remaining to resume carrying out the valuable functions conservatives are supposed to be about, instead of having to carry the torch of liberal progress.
With the aircraft shot down, Russia seems to be trying to provoke a war with Turkey.
Russia is the provocative one? No European member of NATO would have shot down the Russian plan under these circumstances. Turkey is operating under its own agenda and is something of a loose cannon.
Agree. I’ve been scratching my head for weeks trying to figure out how best to introduce Steve and the rest of “UR” to an audience here where I live and work. Yeah, a longer version, essay or book, might do it.
All I can suggest is that maybe there’s an enterprising grad student who’d be willing to work with Steve as a collaborator to make that happen. Damned if I know where you’d get the money to pay a collaborator. You can write on a shoestring, but having money is better. (By “having money is better”, I mean it makes a difference whether you can get to an archive, make yourself available for unpaid speaking engagements that’ll tighten up your thinking, pay a phone bill that’s getting out of hand, etc.)
Liberals should take the final paragraph to be the olive branch that it is. Join us in seriously defending the West from Islam and other non-liberal foreign elements or be purged alongside them. There's no point in celebrating trivialities like court-ordered sodomarriage when you bring in people who stone homosexuals.Replies: @dfordoom, @ua2
There has to be a trade with the right and left. The left joins you in defending the West, and you join the left on the domestic economic agenda. Single payer, tobin tax, break up and tier 1 capital increases at the sifis, a trade of giving up affirmative action for taxpayer underwritten minimal cost flagship public universities, robust social security, strong environmental protections – i.e. a national-socialist model.
The leftists I know aren’t really big into sodomarriage but the class struggle burns bright.
What?Replies: @iffen, @inertial
Alex Mercouris came up with a great line today:
Erdogan is someone who far more closely resembles the Western image of Putin than Putin himself does.
The leftists I know aren't really big into sodomarriage but the class struggle burns bright.Replies: @Desiderius
You go carrying pictures of Cpl. Schicklgruber, you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow.
Leave that to a sjw blog.Replies: @Desiderius
Meanwhile, another football player shot, while hanging out with a guy named Antwan:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ap-source-rams-bailey-in-critical-condition-after-shooting/ar-BBnpPmO?ocid=spartanntp
Moral: don't hang out with guys named Antwan. Your chances of not being shot go up exponentially.Replies: @Stan Adams
And if you hang out with Obi-Wan, the odds of successfully navigating an asteroid field are approximately three thousand seven hundred and twenty to one.
ultimately this is someone who seems to think WHITE is RIGHT and the rest are subhuman
racism disguised as reason
Are you claiming that it is “racism” to reason about race in medicine or forensics? Isn’t ignoring race today pretty much being the equivalent of a flat-earther? Are you one of those people who gave Galileo a hard time?
Is it okay for every other race to talk about their race and their problems, but if whites talk about whites, it’s “racism”? What is so bad about that? Isn’t if just fair?
“Racism” and “racist” are used as an epithet so much today that they have no meaning (apparently it just means “bad”). What do you mean by it?
I thought the discourse at Unz was more enlightened without the petty comebacks. Note that I used the term in lowercase to refer to a model of political economy and not a reference to a specific instance of use.
Leave that to a sjw blog.
If you have any concern at all for the nation, drop the socialism.
I believe that in the early 90s, Israel saw the beginnings of what would eventually have developed into a Euro-American-style “ethnomasochist” Left. Read up on the Israeli Supreme Court’s activities in that era, for instance.
However, due to various reasons, this process was disrupted, leaving Israel’s liberal-left in an uncomfortable ideological limbo state to this day.
Leave that to a sjw blog.Replies: @Desiderius
I can assure you that there is nothing petty about the resistance you will find should you and yours succeed in bringing official socialism, lower- or upper-case, national or galactic, to these shores. It would literally tear this country in two, and likely more. Yes, yes, of course de facto etc., etc… The jure itself will collapse before it becomes de jure.
If you have any concern at all for the nation, drop the socialism.
A couple of thoughts. Anti-White hatred among Whites has among its components the Cold War and nuclear annihilation fears. You did not see this until the USSR and US threatened to destroy the human race in a global nuclear war, and oh by the way sidelined Europe as unimportant bystanders suddenly. It is not modernity as much as the threat for 40 plus years of nuclear annihilation that created anti-White hysteria among elites.
Second, STATUS competition among men for the few remaining non-fat females, and STATUS competition among women for the most high holy, are the self-reinforcing feedback mechanisms of political correctness. Roissy/Heartiste deserves IMHO serious consideration as one of the first to elucidate this process. Beta male provision is no longer needed, and so women go to status and what better status than the handicap version of the peacock tail -- support for mass third world immigration because one's male status is so high it is not threatened by it?
This finds support by leftist "scary brown people" sneering about lack of male status. No accident as the Marxists say that those MOST in weeping support of mass third world males coming are post-Wall White educated Western women with HATE HATE HATE for beta White males more interested in abstract things than personal domination and blowing people up and shooting them. As Steve noted, "Chicks dig Chechens."
Third is that Whites have little experience in dealing with non-Whites. Norwegians were isolated by geography from non-Whites coming and taking over and essentially enslaving them. Not any more of course.
The BLM/Black Autumn shows that there is no more role for White elites. Logically, non-Whites demand they all be purged. Colleges and Universities will all be run by Al Sharpton types, and be the education equivalent of Detroit and Baltimore. There is no more role for Whites anywhere.
Which means conflict and war are brewing INSIDE White countries. Men like Patton Oswalt or Bill Burr cannot make a living under non-White rules and Jerry Seinfeld resents being told by non-Whites about what he can and cannot say and do.
You'll note Sailer's link to their sites.
Even College Administrators will be purged, along with White politicians, lawyers, judges, etc. The demands are endless and won't stop without hard men doing hard things. Its an environment where only the fighters win. Wimpy surrender is pushed hard but is as unsatisfying in real life as it is dramatically. That's why politicians like Orban, Le Pen, Trump, Wilders etc. are on the rise and Hollande is desperately trying to cast himself as a fighter. If Hollande wants to win he'll have to start deporting Muslims from France.
Since Muslims are not playing the "respectable" card (Houllebecq's novel is more cast as the rise of Hitler to power democratically deliberately than one that predicts the future) but rather the Jihad card. Self organizing criminal/jihadis who are the same thing periodically kill the infidel, branching out from Jews to music lovers and doubtless other targets.
War is of course coming, and it will be "total" in that there will be no White society and place absent from what amounts to ethnic/racial war for who controls what territory. With a mass of non-White military age men against a declining White population filled with Beta Males very good at thinking up imaginative ways to kill.
As Europe becomes ISIS vs. nationalists, there is no space for Quisling type traitors. So there is no upside for treason and every reason for fighting.Replies: @anon
A nativist media is the critical difference.