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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

For Whom the Bell Curve Tolls
Steve Sailer

September 08, 2021

… And even when it comes merely to merely debating rather than discovering, the quality of the left’s paladins is in free fall.

In the 1970s, the science-denialist Establishment view was represented by actual scientists of achievement in their own specialties who were also cultured authors, such as Harvard biologists Stephen Jay Gould and the recently deceased Richard Lewontin.

But now the left’s intellectual pacesetters are instead minds like Florida A&M African American Studies and Magazine Production double major Ibram X. Kendi, crank amateur historian Nikole Hannah-Jones, ed school prole prof Robin DiAngelo, and Fleet Street hack Angela Saini.

A few on what remains of the pro-science center-left are becoming alarmed at the growing hatred of research among the woke. Thus, University of Texas psychologist Paige Harden is getting a big buildup for her upcoming book The Genetic Lottery: Why DNA Matters for Social Equality on how studying genetics can be good for equity.

The New Yorker this week has given Dr. Harden a nice puff piece.

Can Progressives Be Convinced That Genetics Matters?

The behavior geneticist Kathryn Paige Harden is waging a two-front campaign: on her left are those who assume that genes are irrelevant, on her right those who insist that they’re everything.

By Gideon Lewis-Kraus

The book is an outgrowth of her 2017 Vox article with Eric Turkheimer and Robert Nisbett with the misleading headline “Charles Murray is once again peddling junk science about race and IQ” after a brouhaha erupted when Murray was allowed on a podcast.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. MattinLA says:

    You’re “beginning to think” it’s too late to avoid disaster and right the ship? Sorry to break it to you, but it was too late 40 years ago….

  2. The Left loves genetic denialism because race has been a winning issue for them since the 1950s. They always win every argument about racial disparities in favor of whites being unfair, so any proof that they are fair has been made verboten.

    Like a group of witchhuntera declaring anyone in his way a witch, if you have a pack of followers and the press on your side, you will be fat, happy, and powerful.

  3. A few on what remains of the pro-science center-left are becoming alarmed at the growing hatred of research among the woke.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @fish
    , @J.Ross
  4. AndrewR says:

    Harden is smart, courageous and attractive, but “young” is a bit of a stretch haha

    Most leftists/liberals have the psychological maturity of a toddler, so expecting them to concede any points to da ebil nahtzees is a fool’s errand.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  5. Alfa158 says:

    The decline in the quality of the Left’s paladins is partially due to the self-lobotomization required to hold the beliefs for which they are rewarded.
    Note that phrase:
    “ The behavior geneticist Kathryn Paige Harden is waging a two-front campaign: on her left are those who assume that genes are irrelevant, on her right those who insist that they’re everything.”

    Of course it actually a two-front campaign: on her left are those who assume that genes are irrelevant, on her right those who assume that they are not irrelevant.

    Gideon Hyphenated has to deliberately mis-state the conflict because accurately stating the other enemy’s position pretty much cedes that they are right and everyone knows genetics are a factor.

  6. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    psychology isn’t a science steve. and the biggest actual genetic study to date explained 7% of the variance., i.e. nothing.

    why do you keep lying?

    the whole purpose of psychology as a subject is so that dumb people can still get degrees and thus more of the 99% are conned into believing they’re not in the 99%.

    —actual BGI volunteer

  7. El Dato says:
    @MattinLA

    In 1980? That certainly was not “too late” except to a determinist, things could have been fixed. Even 2000 was barely “too late”. But now, tears are not avoidable.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk, HammerJack
    • Replies: @houston 1992
  8. AndrewR says:
    @Alfa158

    But there are people in these circles who cmact like genes are everything

  9. @anon

    Explaining 7% of the variance is nothing? Nonsensical statement from a statistical perspective. With 7% explained variance, the correlation between the predicted value from the model and the realized values of the dependent variable is square root (0.07) which is roughly 50%. In some contexts, that is huge. So for example that could completely explain the Black-White IQ gap using a genetics-based model. It depends upon the context, but 7% explained variance can be very substantial.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Cimmerian
  10. Bill P says:

    This decline in quality of the left goes a lot farther than academia. The quality of American institutions in general is in free fall. This didn’t have to happen. There were still lots of talented, intelligent American kids 30 years ago. Why did they get pushed to the margins by those born a couple decades earlier? What prompted the parents to hate their children?

  11. El Dato says:
    @anon

    and the biggest actual genetic study to date explained 7% of the variance., i.e. nothing

    This is pretty unclear to put it mildly.

  12. @Bill P

    Because getting out of the way and letting the kids take over would cost them money.
    A lot of the problems in this country are caused by the breakdown of the old demographics; raise your family in your 20s, peak in your 40s, die in your early 60s.
    Combine this with the idea retirement shoud be lived as a lifestyle similar to when you were at peak earnings, is a good part of why things seem to not work.

  13. We keep hearing, “is it good for the Jews”. This is said as if it were a bad thing to be concerned with your own people. Why wouldn’t an ethnic or racial group be on it’s own side? Is this really unique? Aren’t the Japanese on their own side? The only folks who indulge self-hatred or cold indifference to their own people are some Whites.

    HBD’ers have some loyalty to the “Really Smart Set”. They basically ask, is it good for Muh High IQ Buds. Not their people, just randos who score high on a test.

  14. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I never knew that Marty Feldman appeared in blackface.

  15. Twinkie says:
    @AndrewR

    Harden is smart, courageous and attractive, but “young” is a bit of a stretch haha

    Attractive? I suggest you look at YouTube videos of her presentations. Staged magazine photographs are, let us say, highly flattering.

    Courageous? Nothing says courage like comparing that icky racist Charles Murray to Satan and then asking the interviewer not to print it.

    Smart? Probably, given her credentials and research… though she appears to be not very wise. Her quoted last words in the New Yorker profile are quite “genetically deterministic,” the very idea that she ascribes to icky rightists (read racists) whom she purports to combat.

    The whole “I’m in the middle against both extremes” shtick is just so much self-serving self-flattery and a straw man of the right, to boot. The truth is that the left is purely environmentarian, but the right is not purely hereditarian. Hardly anyone on the right argues that “genes are everything” – not even that Satan-Incarnate Charles Murray.

  16. Rawls dealt with the obvious danger to his system posed by foreign freeloaders by emphasizing the need for immigration restriction

    In Denmark, immigrants will have to work 37 hours a week in order to get their financial support. Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen declared last week: “We want to establish a new work-logic. It implies that it is the duty of people, to do useful work (…).  If they can’t find regular work, they will have to work to compensate for their subsidies.”

    https://orf.at//stories/3227771/

  17. @Alfa158

    The decline in the quality of the Left’s paladins is partially due to the self-lobotomization required to hold the beliefs for which they are rewarded.

    Nicely put.

    Another version of your thought: The left became regressive by popularizing their ideas. The last big step in this direction being the emotions beat reason mindset of wokeism.

  18. Indeed, Harden is a lovely young woman, so she makes a good spokesperson for her position…

    She’s a nice contrast to la profesora Lorgia García Peña.

  19. @Peter Johnson

    Nah, Lee’s study accounted for 11% of the variance in educational attainment, which, because life is very complicated, is quite a bit by the standards of the social sciences. From The New Yorker:

    “The largest gwas for educational attainment to date found almost thirteen hundred sites on the genome that are correlated with success in school. Though each might have an infinitesimally small statistical relationship with the outcome, together they can be summed to produce a score that has predictive validity: those in the group with the highest scores were approximately five times more likely to graduate from college than those with the lowest scores—about as accurate a predictor as traditional social-science variables like parental income.”

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
    , @utu
  20. This one is a lie or, to be more generous, an exaggeration:

    19th-century notions of race—Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid, and all that.

    I had an an atlas when I was a kid that had a section, with maps, breaking up humanity into those 3 races. It most certainly was from the 2nd half of the 20th century. There were still separate Germanys, but then, yeah, there were separate Germanys. I wish I could remember what Africa looked like on it – if I find the thing someday I’ll report back.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  21. @anon

    psychology isn’t a science

    Behavioral genetics is.

  22. Anon[130] • Disclaimer says:

    I remember all the lefty Twitter accounts when that Vox piece was published. “Vox DESTROYS racist Naxis!”

    I guess the inaccurate, tendentious title fooled them and they didn’t read the thing, although the piece was a little bit of an IQ test in itself because of the CYA stuff scattered around in it. As Steve noted, if you read what they say, not what they implied, it effectively endorsed The Bell Curve, with the exception that Nesbitt insisted that the gap was 10 points, not 15, and they insisted that the environment still could be the complete explanation.

    The title to the follow-up piece gave it away: “There’s still no good reason to believe black-white IQ differences are due to genes.” The gap is assumed to be true in the title. And notice the hedging: There’s still (not today, maybe tomorrow) no good reason (maybe there are moderately convincing reasons) … due to genes (100 percent … maybe due to genes and environment, not just due to genes).

  23. I’m not as big a movie buff as you are, but wouldn’t a Frank Capra movie that had Jimmy Stewart argue that we should look out for our fellow Americans have meant charity, not another Socialist welfare program of the US Government?

    You could answer that one, but I can be sure how these “intellectuals” will write their recommendations sections in their papers and articles. They will tell us that governments should “look out for our fellow Americans*, meaning WE will PAY UP. They most certainly will never tout that this is because “these people are genetically dumber”. It will be more like this: “These groups have the genetic factors that make them poorer, so, White people, pay the hell up!”

    .

    * As you discuss in the 2nd half, what “fellow Americans” means is quite different to the ctrl-left.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  24. Cimmerian says:
    @Peter Johnson

    A variance explained (R-squared) of 7% is a correlation of 26%, not 50%.

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
  25. bispora says:
    @anon

    For education attainment “nothing” is ~16% by the recent publication of James Lee based on DNA samples of 3 million individuals. This means a 9-fold increase in college completion from the lowest to the top decile of the computed Education years polygenic scores.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-YUQ8TUUAQBliT?format=jpg&name=large

    • Replies: @res
  26. @Cimmerian

    Thanks you are correct — but still big. Not “nothing.”

    • Replies: @Larry, San Francisco
  27. @Achmed E. Newman

    Here’s the 1952 Philips Atlas Of The World. On other pages it goes into more detail on Europe and Asia.

    Btw shouldn’t Gregory Clark get a mention for the title?

    Alas his college web page on the subject seems to have been “got at”.

    “My current project is a book manuscript on the nature and implications of the determination of social outcomes in England 1680-2021, based on a complete lineage of a set of 402,000 English people across this interval. The provisional title is For Whom the Bell Curve Tolls: Genetics and Social Life, England 1680-2021. This will form the third of a Hemingway punned trilogy of books about the interconnection of modern growth, selection pressures in the long Malthusian era, and the implications for social functioning.”

    But … 404

    http://faculty.econ.ucdavis.edu/faculty/gclark/For_Whom_the_Bell_Curve_Tolls.html

  28. @YetAnotherAnon

    I predicted in 2014 that Gregory Clark’s next book would be entitled For Whom the Bell Curve Tolls.

    By the way, that was a title made up for my 2012 review of Charles Murray’s “Coming Apart” by the witty editors of the American Conservative.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  29. Harden is smart, courageous and attractive, but “young” is a bit of a stretch haha

    Mildly cute but doubtful many men harden for Harden.

  30. @Steve Sailer

    For Whom the Bell Curve Tolls

    One might overlook that this quote refers not just to Hemingway, but also to the churchbell.
    Interviewer – So – is there a God?
    Charles Murray: I think so, yes. (link below)
    This, Kathryn Paige Harden and Charles Murray have in common: They’re both Christians:

    Matthew 25,40: And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

    Plus- It is a very Christian thing to forgive…

    [MORE]

    the quote above is at 17:46

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  31. Both sides ignore Bermuda, where black and white IQ is practically equal.

    No one seems interested in investigating why.

    • Replies: @Bert
    , @Jack D
    , @epebble
    , @Bannon
    , @res
  32. Clyde says:
    @Twinkie

    Harden is smart, courageous and attractive, but “young” is a bit of a stretch haha
    Attractive? I suggest you look at YouTube videos of her presentations. Staged magazine photographs are, let us say, highly flattering.

    She looks good and presents good. Don’t get all worked up/

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  33. Coemgen says:
    @anon

    psychology isn’t a science steve

    You are confusing the practice of clinical psychology with psychology in general.

    Clinical psychology is more correctly known as psycho-babble but science is a process and there is no shortage of evidence of psychologists performing science documented in peer-reviewed journals and in proprietary works.

  34. JackOH says:

    Only had time for the quickest scan of your Taki’s article, so I likely missed much nuance.

    Your warning against genetic triumphalism is a point well taken.

  35. @R.G. Camara

    ‘Words ↑
    The Left loves genetic denialism because race has been a winning issue for them since the 1950s’

    That may be a pleasant side effect for them, but it’s not the main reason. Occam’s Razor suggests it’s because genetic denialism flatters them, whilst true science is a narcissistic wound for the Coalition of the Fringes.

  36. @Steve Sailer

    Nah, Lee’s study accounted for 11% of the variance in educational attainment,

    And how high could you get the number by feeding it completely random data? And that’s not even getting into the point raised by the article that the mechanism by which these genes supposedly affect outcomes are almost completely unknown. And what percentage of the genes are junk DNA or otherwise seen as incapable of affecting the relevant outcomes based on the current best understanding of genetics?

    I’m probably to the right of the vast majority of people here when it comes to policy (I don’t think blacks should be allowed to procreate) but I really don’t see the need to latch onto these highly tentative findings from a field that is known to produce so much garbage. Nature/nurture just isn’t as relevant as people want it to be.

    I wanna see them engineer ceteris paribus mice that are much more intelligent in blind studies. That’s when all this stuff will graduate from statistical hand waving to something substantial.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  37. After a pandemic pause, momentum in behavioral genetics is once again building…

    It’s a constant source of amazement to me how untouched you are by all that’s going on, and still think that what little affects you will be but a passing phase, while the rest of the world goes through convulsions.

    What we are seeing before us is a radical change in human behaviour of such historical proportions that all our interactions will be forever replaced.

    In the midst of this top down revolution you’re so heavily committed to your absurd HBD hobby, which you vaingloriously promote yourself as at the vanguard of, as if some great noble noticing movement, you and all your progeny have been outclassed, outflanked and overrun.

    I’m staggered to the point of flabbergasted each time I visit your blog. It’s like entering the world of Worzel Gummidge, so absurdly dissociated from the mere humdrum of reality you’ve become.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  38. @Twinkie

    What is the deal with that photo anyway? Are those leaves on the floor? That would seem to indicate pretty big problems with that building. And it’s not a good idea to walk around barefoot in an unfinished area like that, you’re gonna step on a nail or a splinter not to mention what will happen to that little black dress.

    It reminds me of those dorky Intellectual Dark Web photos from that Bari Weiss piece.

    I wonder how much of the phoot thing came from Harden, who is maybe convinced they’re her best feature, or the photographer having a foot fetish.

    It’s just a bizarre bizarre photo.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  39. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:

    ” Afghan depressed IQ ”

    Here, I’m afraid I have to agree with the lefty denialist mobs.

    Look, currently, right now at this very moment we have, literally, *millions* of these supposed low IQ people making the very smart and rational decision to bumrush, end masse, the societies of supposed ‘high IQ’ peoples in order to claim the highly desirable prize of free money, free housing and a gratis civic society – and they are using some very cunning strategies in deceit and fraud to claim these goodies.

    On the other hand the so called ‘high IQ’ people are run, by an elite, which is supposedly the highest of the high IQs. These elites – who are the *real* gullible, naive, foolish sub IQ trash – actually claim pompously and seriously that the mass immigration of massive tax eating populations will ‘benefit’ the hosts dumb enough to accept it – because The Economist told them so.

    As the old Cockney adage goes “Who’s the C*nt?”*

    *As, the old, old story goes, a workman enraged by his boss snapped and called him a c*nt.
    The boss promptly sacked him, adding in triumph ” Look, you’ve got a wife four kids to support, and no job, when you get home tonight, the missus will give you Hell – and you will have to start begging at the bun house. Who’s the c*nt????”.

    • Agree: Sick 'n Tired
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Rob
  40. @Dieter Kief

    > If they can’t find regular work, they will have to work to compensate for their subsidies.

    That has already been law for decades. Numerous Prime Ministers have promised to do something about but nothing substantial has happened — except for a brief period early in Anders Fogh Rasmussen’s reign, for which he was denounced by The United Left, including the Social Democrats.

    I don’t think anything will change this time, either.

  41. 0ur new moral mandate to allow mass immigration of the wretched refuse of countries that can’t manage their own affairs, such as Afghanistan.

    Steve, it takes some chutzpah to accuse Afghanistan of not managing its own affairs when the US has been actively fucking with the place for the past 20 years. The Afghans have at least managed to drive out foreign invaders, which is a lot better than most nations seem to do these days.

    That said, I agree that the burden for housing and feeding Afghan refugees should lie with the politicians who supported the war and the contractors who made millions off of it. I am fine with resettling all the Afghans in Georgetown, Potomac, Bethesda, McLean, Arlington and Great Falls.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  42. Bert says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    Why? If your numbers are correct, the reason is probably strong selection over about 16 generations. Being a jive-ass would seem a poor tactic on very small bits of land, in contrast to U.S. cities.

  43. @Dieter Kief

    “I think so, yes” is pretty thin broth for a Christian.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    , @Dieter Kief
  44. Dogstar says:

    One interesting thing is the list of “left” activists that are prominent — Kendi, Hanna-Jones, DiAngelo, etc. Pretty much either millennials or boomers. Few to no GenX depending on how you slice it. Which isn’t to say there aren’t GenX race grifters. I happen to have gone to school with one. But, the GenX are past their prime. They aren’t in power at their institutions having been marginalized by the powerful Boomer Profs and now too old to be the new hotness. As a class the boomers seem to have instinctively circled the wagons against the kids of the upper classmen of when they were in high school and privileged their own generations children. Absolutely unconsciously but it can be seen everywhere. Genetic?

    • Thanks: Rob
    • Replies: @jamie b.
  45. @R.G. Camara

    Hate to break it to you, but the Right also believes in genetic denalism. The Left and the Right are just two sects of the same religion.

    Both believe that humans can be infinitely molded by culture.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  46. Steve: you might want to check the paper that is (apparently) your source for the 39% figure. They give no explanation for how they arrived at that number, except that they did a literature search. For all we know, the numbers were made up by a bunch of educated Pashtuns against cousin marriage.

    Perhaps I missed the derivation, but I don’t see it there.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  47. Arclight says:

    The left – and to some extent the right – has gone all in on the idea that society and people can be perfected through the application of the right sets of policy incentives. To acknowledge that a great deal of one’s abilities are the results of the genetic lottery would also be to admit that a huge share of the ‘solutions’ put forth to bring about a more just and equitable society are absolutely doomed to failure, and of course no political program can be successful if it’s position is “we can do a bit to make things different, but not much.”

    Unfortunately, there is still a lot of road left to travel on this misguided experiment and a lot more damage incurred until a critical mass of society is willing to openly criticize and call for the abandonment of much of today’s assumptions about society and what is possible.

    • Replies: @houston 1992
  48. @Bill P

    Agree. Steve’s statement that

    momentum in behavioral genetics is once again building, threatening to undermine confidence in the conventional woke wisdom. [And therefore] … the prospect for the left of being intellectually humiliated by future findings appears much worse.

    ignores the fact the Woke never have to worry about intellectual humiliation because if they are humiliated, they simply declare that it is the intellect that has it wrong. The intellect will simply be cancelled. Indeed, this is already well in progress.

  49. ic1000 says:
    @anon

    anon[307]:

    the biggest actual genetic study to date explained 7% of the variance., i.e. nothing.

    why do you keep lying?

    A bad-faith argument that would do well at 538 (see immediately prior post).

    Why bad-faith?

    —actual BGI volunteer

    An argument from authority. Translation: “I have Steve Hsu levels of intellect and insight to share with you.”

    Granting your premise: so you know that a GWAS explaining a small fraction of the variance is not the same as a study that attributes outcome between environment (known + unknown factors) and heredity (known + unknown genes).

    Typical wokist intellectual.

  50. @RichardTaylor

    As I’ve mentioned before, the HBD-aware but colorblind CivNat is generally just an intellectual snob. They hate being associated with dumb people, so racial solidarity is icky to them. Their “people” are other high IQ folks.

    What these geniuses don’t get is that high IQ people of other races aren’t as disloyal (on average) as they are. They also don’t understand that in the real world, ethnocentric groups will eventually beat out less ethnocentric groups, so their colorblind world is temporary at best.

    Or maybe our colorblind, snobby geniuses do understand all of that and simply don’t care. The system will hold for their lifetime, so what’s the problem.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor, Rosie
  51. But, of course, to be practical, this policy depends upon limiting the scope of our charity to Americans rather than extending our generosity to the 96% of humanity that isn’t American.

    Still pushing Citizenism, Steve?

    Well, why not, it’s been such a roaring success the past 15 years. Why fix what ain’t broken, right?

    Maybe you should spend a few minutes thinking about why Citizenism has been such an abject failure. Hint: It’s not because the other side is misinformed or that the other side is motivated primarily by materialistic (money, fame, etc.) goals.

    We’re in a religious war, not a college debate. That’s why Citizenism failed and will continue to fail. Time to accept that fact and change accordingly.

  52. Twinkie says:
    @Clyde

    Don’t get all worked up/

    Don’t project.

    She looks good and presents good.

    I guess we all have different standards.

    And watch a video of her and see (hear) how many times she talks like an idiot teenager with umpteen uses of “like…”

  53. @R.G. Camara

    The Left loves genetic denialism because race has been a winning issue for them since the 1950s. They always win every argument about racial disparities in favor of whites being unfair, so any proof that they are fair has been made verboten.

    Like a group of witchhuntera declaring anyone in his way a witch, if you have a pack of followers and the press on your side, you will be fat, happy, and powerful.

    I think it’s more the case that if certain demographics are standard deviations below the average in intelligence, racial discrimination (in their formulation of disparities) becomes either or both irrelevant and necessary. And if substantial proportions of certain demographics are persistently literal morons on the IQ scale, expecting numerical equality in desirable positions in society between races is a never-ending snipe hunt with extreme downsides for social stability and domestic cohesion.

    Unfortunately for the continued existence of the United States as a Great Power, the Left has married its denialism with a fervor for mass third world migration into the United States. Simultaneously, the uniparty has overseen the growth and advancement of near peer rivals in exchange for the accumulation of private wealth inuring to a small segment of the population.

    Dealing with the United States’ problem with its own descendants of African slaves would be one thing with a historically baseline 87-13 white/black population, but it’s absolutely insane to continue the denialism after accumulated decades of dysgenic immigration in which the recent arrivals are privileged over the extant population.

  54. AndrewR says:
    @R.G. Camara

    A black “scholar” and some autistic people say this researxh hurts thwir feelings therefore it’s bad guize

    https://mobile.twitter.com/crisptina19/status/1435045312121294848

  55. @R.G. Camara

    … so any proof that [ Whites ] are fair has been made verboten.

    Proof that bl*cks are stupid and violent is not proof the Whites are “fair” (whatever that means).

    FWIW, I’m not particularly feeling “fair” these days, but maybe that’s just me.

  56. @YetAnotherAnon

    That world map, yikes, it actually uses yellow for east Asians, brown for Africans and pink for Europeans.

  57. @RichardTaylor

    Unfortunately, much of what a majority of US Jews want is decidedly not good for the Jews. (They just haven’t come to their senses yet.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
  58. Jack D says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    Bermuda is tiny – the total population is around 60,000 of which around half are black. Many of the blacks are descended from freed West Indian slaves from former Spanish territories (e.g. Jamaica) who came to Bermuda voluntarily on 7 year indentures (the same as whites). They also brought American Indians so many of the blacks are actually of mixed blood. So genetically and in terms of selection, they are not a typical group.

    Bermuda was small enough that the British were able to keep control and educate and guide the blacks toward civilized norms. No black ghettos where ghetto culture is the role model for young males.

    Banking and other financial services account for 85% of GDG. So there is selection toward people who are able to work with numbers.

    I can’t say exactly which factors account for Bermudan black IQ (or even if these numbers are really accurate) but suffice it to say that the black population of Bermuda is unlike other black populations and the Bermudan experiment is not easily replicated elsewhere.

    • Thanks: Rob
    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
  59. Jack D says:
    @International Jew

    I don’t know that a majority of US Jews subscribe to Wokism or blank slatism. The majority are Democrats but the Democrat Party is itself factionalized. Certainly the Jews don’t believe in blank slatism in terms of their revealed preference (but maybe this is just the hypocrisy with which all “liberals” are afflicted). Bernie Sanders practiced his liberalism not on the mean streets of his native Brooklyn but from the safety of lily white Vermont.

    If you need an example of (some) Jews advocating for things that are not good for the Jews (collectively and/or in the long run) just look at the experience of Jews in the Soviet Union. There were many Jews involved in early Bolshevism (they were certainly not welcome in Czarist circles) but it’s hard to say that Bolshevism turned out to be “good for the Jews”. Jews, for all of their alleged smarts, are not necessarily wise judges of what is “good for the Jews”, nor, contrary to right wing popular belief, are most Jews working with that goal in mind to begin with.

    • Replies: @Uncle Dan
  60. Jack D says:
    @Twinkie

    Beauty standards are relative. Sure, among a pool of Hollywood actresses she would not rate very high, but among female academics she’s probably top 10 or 20%. There are a lot of academics who are just plain UGLY, because beauty is just not a selection criteria for success in academia. People who are exceptionally beautiful are rare and people who are exceptionally smart are rare and people who are BOTH are even rarer.

    Not to mention that much of what we call female beauty involves a lot of effort put into hair and makeup and choice of clothing and accessories and keeping up with the latest trends on all of these (and increasingly plastic surgery) and academics don’t have time for/are just not interested in that stuff. And if you are an academic and you show up for office hours dressed like you are auditioning for Harvey Weinstein, your fellow academics will look askance – academics are supposed to look a little schlumpy.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Johann Ricke
  61. @Jack D

    the Bermudan experiment is not easily replicated elsewhere

    Who has tried to replicate it? It doesn’t suit the HBD crew, because it means that black IQ can reach white norms – unthinkable! And it doesn’t suit the other side because it means ‘the legacy of slavery’ can be overcome.. no perpetual victims!

    • Replies: @Rob
  62. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    Harden is smart enough to become a successful careerist but not smart enough to bring about any new and meaningful knowledge. If you look carefully, she is always, invariably, parroting someone else’s point.

    The large picture is that she is yet another academic obscurantist parasite. In contrast, Lewontin, for all of his flaws, actually contributed something meaningful to science (isozyme analysis in genetic research; obsolete now, it was huge in the era before recombinant DNA).

  63. fish says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Eeeewww….Sanpaku eye!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  64. @YetAnotherAnon

    First, thanks for that map, YAA.

    Regarding Steve’s (and Clark’s, and Steve’s prediction of) the title, recently Fred Reed posted For Whom the Bell Curves. My prediction about Mr. Reed’s writing, rather than the title, was correct for the 200th time. It was another of his failed attempts to seem smarter and wiser than other commentators including the commenters under his own columns. Mr. Reed never goes into enough detail to get to the bottom of problems and always makes a point to disparage anyone who does get to the real truth and, GASP, even try to do something about said problems.

    Now, as O/T, as this is, I’ll just say that the reason I read Reed, is because he does get lots of reads, so links I put there get clicked a lot. You people here need to up your game, bitchez!

  65. SafeNow says:

    A little while ago, a public-service announcement on the radio patiently explained why it’s a bad idea to scoot past an oncoming train at a railroad crossing. This was on a conservative program (Glen Beck). Southern California. I do not listen to Spanish-speaking stations, so I do not know whether or not such control-your-low-IQ announcements are only directed at white conservatives.

    • Replies: @Charlotte
  66. @Twinkie

    “watch a video of her and see (hear) how many times she talks like an idiot teenager with umpteen uses of “like…””

    Unfortunately that’s her age and the crap she’s watched on TV/Hollywood since 13 or so. I know a few intelligent young women (I hope they are, they’re in a very competitive discipline with high entry requirements) and they talk the same way. Many such cases !

    On topic

    “No man is an Iland, intire of itselfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine; if a Clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Manor of thy friends or of thine owne were; any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.”

    John Donne in 1620-odd – MEDITATION XVII, Devotions upon Emergent Occasions

  67. here’s Harden’s 2010 wedding announcement in The New York Times:

    So her married name is Kathryn Paige Harden Tucker-Drob? Poor kids– if any.

    Indeed, Harden is a lovely young woman…

    Whether one’s tucker drob hardens varies by individual, but the photo linked to could pass for Elizabeth Holmes’s brunet sister. And what’s with the stylistic spelling Kathryn? That has been bizarrely steady throughout the 20th century, ranging in rank from #114 to #45 and peaking in the 1910s, 1950s, and 1980s.

    The leftist philosopher John Rawls, whom Harden cites as an inspiration…

    “…Harden questions the quality of the existing evidence, but thinks more determinative data may be found in future genetic knowledge.”

    I (Turkheimer) am convinced that the question is irredeemably unscientific…

    As another Rawls sang, “You’ll never find…”

  68. @Reg Cæsar

    Reg:
    my google searches revealed that she divorced her Jewish husband after 7 years approx. (They had originally announced their marriage in the newspaper of record –NYT.)
    She earned a PhD in 2009 so she ws perhaps 27 yo then, making her DOB 1982. So she is 39, looks great, and per wikipedia bio , has 2 children

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paige_Harden

    I assume that she was raised a Baptist, and that drew her to Furman Univ. But what it means to being raised a Baptist even in the 90’s, not sure what it means. I doubt if her Jewsish husband and she engaged in much New Testament theology discussion.

  69. 3g4me says:
    @MattinLA

    @1 MattinLA: Sailer will still be preaching against ‘identity politics’ and for ‘citizenism’ as they break down his door and shoot his family. Wouldn’t want to be hasty or ungentlemanly here – then the right people wouldn’t discuss one’s ideas in private and then there would go the thrill of being slightly subversive.

    • LOL: AndrewR
  70. MEH 0910 says:


    [MORE]

  71. epebble says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    What is the source of the data? Do you know if it is good (or just somebody’s figment of imagination)?

  72. The vast majority of conservatives also are essentially blank slatists. These are the people who accuse blacks of being lazy and not pulling themselves up by their boot straps. The ones who see rural white poverty as simply moral failure. The ones who assume that Asians have to be cheating or trained like robots when they beat whites on standardized tests. Or think that more Christian values will set these people on the right path.

    I have yet to see much conservative thought about what policy outcomes flow from the knowledge that millions of black, latino and even white citizens are simply mentally and psychologically incapable of functioning adequately in our symbol oriented, complex society, a society developed primarily by and for the benefit of people with high IQs. And the problem gets worse everyday as once pleasant countries like Egypt, South Africa, Morocco and Argentina sink under the weight of the millions of low IQ individuals being born every year – these people add no value, other than as consumers of crap produced by multinationals, subsidized at government expense. This seems like an untenable situation.

    At the very least we need an immigration stop, some sort of UBI for the millions of no hopers already born, and a real plan to reduce fertility as much as possible.

    • Agree: SimpleSong, Rob
    • Replies: @rebel yell
    , @Twinkie
    , @Dmon
    , @Rob
    , @Alden
  73. Barnard says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Murray self identifies as an agnostic and a “wannabe Christian.” His wife is a Quaker, which at this point is little more than a liberal social club with a religious veneer. He is not a Christian in any way the typical devout Christian would recognize.

  74. @El Dato

    Through at least the 1980’s, Hans Eysenck, Ph.D. (1916-1997, was able to travel Europe and earn good money delivering lectures on IQ and heritability. Yes, he received strong criticism and ridicule, but he could function and add to his income

    1980 lecture example

  75. J.Ross says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “The scientifically literate and left-of-center (insofar as these categories still overlap) start to worry about the woke hatred of research.”

    • Replies: @Polistra
  76. Twinkie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    So her married name is Kathryn Paige Harden Tucker-Drob? Poor kids– if any.

    The New Yorker profile says that she is divorced with two children from the marriage, and has an architect boyfriend.

    She says, “I am divorced… like my parents” – “genetic determinism”!

    • Replies: @JMcG
  77. J.Ross says:

    What is most remarkable about these people is that they must positively reject the English legal idea of equality before the law (the only equality that ever existed outside of math and death) — they are supremacists and parasites, not opponents of inequality. Cue Republicans remonstrating with charts and graphs about who are the real racists.

  78. MEH 0910 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    So her married name is Kathryn Paige Harden Tucker-Drob? Poor kids– if any.

    Harden has two children by her ex-husband Tucker-Drob.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-convinced-that-genetics-matters

    On sabbatical for the 2015-16 academic year, Harden and Elliot Tucker-Drob, a colleague to whom she was married at the time, were invited to New York City with their two young children—a three-year-old boy and a nine-month-old girl—as visiting scholars-in-residence at the Russell Sage Foundation.

    […]
    Harden was joined in Bozeman by her younger brother, Micah, who was visiting from Memphis. We sat together on the covered patio of the airy house Harden had rented with her boyfriend, an architectural designer named Travis Avery. It was the longest spell she had ever spent away from her children, who were on a road trip with Tucker-Drob. (The couple got divorced in 2018.)

    […]
    In one chapter of her book, Harden mentions that her son struggles with a speech impairment. “Looking at how my children differ in their ability to articulate words, I can easily see the capricious hand of nature,” she writes. “When it comes to inheriting whatever combination of genetic variants allows one to pronounce a word like ‘squirrel’ by the age of three, my daughter was lucky. My son was not.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Ralph L
  79. Twinkie says:
    @Jack D

    Beauty standards are relative.

    To some extent. But there are strong objective standards that seem to carry across cultures such as symmetry (up to a point – absolutely perfect symmetry appears strange to most people), body proportions (e.g. the golden ratio of 0.7 between waist and hip – at any weight), etc.

    but among female academics

    That’s a rather low bar, isn’t it? And you don’t have to tell me about women in academia – I was a young academic once.

    People who are exceptionally beautiful are rare and people who are exceptionally smart are rare and people who are BOTH are even rarer.

    You haven’t met my wife and me. 😉

    And don’t get me started on our children. We have been approached by modeling agents more than once.

    academics don’t have time for/are just not interested in that stuff

    You don’t seem to know women, academic or otherwise, well.

    Did you see the candid photograph above? Now, let’s see what she has on her own website:

    And how she agreed to be photographed:

    Yeah, she clearly doesn’t care how she looks and doesn’t at all cultivate her public appearance.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  80. @MattinLA

    The 1990 immigration Act put the nail in the coffin. It resulted in the diversity visa and doubled legal immigration from a the previous cap of 450,000 to 900,000 and introduced the H1B visa program.

    • Agree: Daniel H
    • Replies: @indocon
    , @Anonymous
  81. fondolo says:

    Steve, do you have to explain that Faber College (with the profound motto) is from Animal House? let the young philistines wonder.

  82. @Peter Johnson

    Yes its a large impact. A variance of .11 implies a correlation of .33 or about 1/3. That means for every standard deviation increase in the polygenic score, IQ increases on average by 1/3 * Standard deviation of IQ. Since the standard deviation of IQ is about 15 points, this means that a standard deviation increase in polygenic score increases IQ by 1/3*15=5 points.

  83. Twinkie says:
    @MEH 0910

    why was I styled like Mr Rochester’s wife in the attic? I don’t know

    would a male scientist be styled the same way? almost definitely not

    was the whole shoot great fun? yes, 10/10 would do again

    Good lawd, the casual hypocrisy of this woman. “I am a victim of double standards against women! Stop objectifying me!” and “They made me look so much better than what I really look like and I love it!” all at the same time.

    As far as this “genes matter, but race has nothing to do with it” double-speak, there are two possibilities here. One, she is completely delusional and her GWAS ability just magically stops at the borders of races (oh, sorry, “population groupings” per Cavalli-Sforza). Or two, she knows what she is selling is horse dung, but is pushing it anyway to play the “the wise, brave, and principled center against the two extremes” heroine.

    I suspect it’s the latter, in which case I detest her dishonesty. People such as Charles Murray and Razib Khan may or may not be correct 100% on everything – I don’t know – but I think they pretty much say and write what they believe and present their evidences/data where available – and don’t cloak themselves with fantasies and ideologies.*

    *This is not to say that Murray and Khan do not have ideologies – they clearly do. But I suspect they arrived at their ideologies from their studies unlike Harden who seems to have an “egalitarian” premise and agenda first and contorts very hard to try fit the otherwise contrary studies to it.

  84. res says:
    @Twinkie

    Good to see you back. I missed your comments last month on AK’s blog until now, but how could you leave James Thompson out of the “data driven blog on the Unz Review” category?

    I think you are overly hard on Harden’s appearance. But tastes vary, as do standards (I don’t expect academics to be models, I also don’t expect academics [or even most women] to make incredible efforts to look their best 24/7 like some women do).

    I basically agree with your other points, but I think we all have to remember that she is out there writing about this under her own name. In her field of expertise where she is both a valuable voice for reason (to the extent she is willing to voice it) and subject to dire career consequences if she oversteps and ends up canceled. Note that she is getting significant blowback from the left as it is.

    • Agree: ic1000, YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Chrisnonymous
  85. res says:
    @bispora

    Thanks! That was news to me. I looked around and found this (more info in the rest of the thread).

    I haven’t been able to find the paper, but hopefully a preprint will appear soon and James Thompson (and/or iSteve) will blog about it.

  86. Currahee says:
    @RichardTaylor

    “HBD’ers have some loyalty to the “Really Smart Set”. They basically ask, is it good for Muh High IQ Buds. Not their people, just randos who score high on a test.”

    The near total failure of HBD to penetrate the smart fraction is the major reason for its failure. The smart faction owns the wealth and controls the nation. Convincing a bunch of dim Trumpers does nothing; because, in fact, these people have no power.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  87. Bannon says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    There are a whole lot of fascinating questions and case studies, ones that give reason to believe the gap can be addressed. But no one talks about them because they are not willing to even go down the trail of admitting there are even SOME subsets of data (places) where the differenced in measured IQ is due to anything other than discrimination.

    We can’t blame our elites or our politicians — this is something where even normal, everyday people will NOT engage their minds or their voices. People shut down like pod people. If an individual, who has nothing to lose and is in a private conversation, will not even allow himself the mental freedom to ponder the question, no wonder it is not taken up in the public square.

    Those on the Left are too afraid they are horribly wrong to think about it, and those on the Right are too afraid to think BadThink.

    There used to be a mutual detente — because people knew they didn’t want to have to “go there,” they also refrained from stating the proposition “There has to be discrimination because there is a disparity.” Now provocoteurs are openly insisting upon just this, and inviting other explanations — knowing that no one will have the courage to speak. Yes, the Emperor’s clothes are lovely.

  88. @Peter Akuleyev

    the weight of the millions of low IQ individuals being born every year – these people add no value, other than as consumers of crap produced by multinationals, subsidized at government expense.

    At the very least we need an immigration stop, some sort of UBI for the millions of no hopers already born, and a real plan to reduce fertility as much as possible.

    Another possibility is that there is nothing wrong with not being high IQ. A life spent working with your hands in skilled and unskilled labor jobs – carpenter, farmer, etc. – is not a life with no value and is not a life that contributes no value to others. Part of the reason to stop immigration and free-trade agreements is so American manual laborers can get jobs at decent wages.
    Most men regardless of IQ can have a productive work life of some sort – they always have. Criminals, who should be removed from society, and those who are mentally retarded, who should be cared for, are minor exceptions in the big scheme of things.

    • Thanks: Gabe Ruth
  89. The cost of sequencing an entire human genome fell from \$10 million in 2007 to around \$1,000 by 2017, making possible studies of mind-bending scale. James J. Lee of the U. of Minnesota broke the million-person sample-size barrier in 2018 with an analysis of the genetics of educational

    So this was a billion dollar study?

    I had no idea Minnesota could afford that sort of thing.
    Send them a hundred thousand more Somali’s, that’ll teach them about the human genome for a damn sight less. A least at first…

    • Replies: @res
  90. res says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    Bermuda is an interesting case. David Becker’s country IQ spreadsheet gives numbers in the 90-93 range, but it is interesting to note that he only references four studies. The most recent in 1985. In addition, there is a clear upward trend with the three most recent showing an uncorrected IQ above 100 but corrected down to 93-96. Might be worth a closer look to try to understand his corrections (the article below indicates Flynn Effect corrections are needed so that is probably it).

    Regarding your data, it looks like the source was this fairly thorough piece (contra “no one seems interested in investigating why”).
    https://humanvarieties.org/2013/05/03/hvgiq-bermuda/

    Some discussion of that post here (note “Chuck”‘s comment at the end about GED pass rates, that data can also be found on the internet archive).
    https://web.archive.org/web/20161104203603/https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2015/08/13/bermudian-blacks-close-the-black-white-iq-gap/

    Phil (a knowledgeable commenter on James Thompson’s blog)’s take on that article is short and worthwhile.
    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/chisalas-last-word/#comment-2106326

    Instead of just linking to the article on Bermuda and insulting hereditarians, you could have highlighted what the article on Bermuda (by Jason Malloy) actually concluded. It said that, while the survey of Adult Literacy and Life Skills (ALL) in Bermuda suggested that there was no significant difference in average IQ between whites (W) and blacks (B),

    “five out of six samples showed the IQ scores that one would more reasonably expect for an island that is two-thirds black and one-third white. Given this and the large B-W social disparities in Bermuda, I’m inclined to accept these results over the ALL…” An average IQ for Bermudan whites of 100 and an average IQ for Bermudan blacks of 88 seem more plausible.

    Results for the 2003 ALL (source of your data, I believe) are available in part 1 at
    https://publications.gc.ca/site/eng/286077/publication.html

    I think Figure 2.2 on page 36 is the best summary (5/25/mean/75/95 percentiles for each of the four subtests.

    I haven’t been able to find data for Bermuda for other international tests (e.g. PISA). That is unfortunate since it would understand their performance. Does anyone know of any such data?

    Here is population data for Bermuda. It includes a population pyramid showing about 800 people for each school year cohort.

    And here are 2017/2018 and 2018/2019 (and more) public school test results.
    https://www.bermuda-attractions.com/bermuda_00021f.htm

    From 2009/2010 they quote 234 students graduating from their senior school. Comparing that to an 800 person annual cohort I wonder how much the Bermuda results are explained by selection effects.

    Though education is compulsory for ages 5-16 so maybe the rest are all in private schools?
    http://bermuda-online.org/educate.htm

    This is probably part of the explanation.
    https://www.bermuda-attractions.com/bermuda_00020b.htm
    About 20% of the population are expatriates.

    This page states 6500 students overall.
    https://education.stateuniversity.com/pages/161/Bermuda.html

    Here are some more statistics, but it is hard to reconcile the number of children out of primary school with the high school enrollment rate.
    https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/Bermuda/Education

    This page shows 38% of 2015 primary students are in private school.
    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.PRM.PRIV.ZS?locations=BM
    Given how expensive the private schools are I think there are significant selection effects in play.

    Some more details.
    https://www.bermudayp.com/article/view/2003///education-in-bermuda

    I would like to see better data (e.g. PISA results for ALL students broken down by race and public/private school status), but lacking that I suspect we are mostly seeing two sorts of selection effects.
    1. Who moves to Bermuda?
    2. Among those, who is tested?

    • Thanks: Bill Jones, Raches
    • Replies: @Jack D
  91. @Bill P

    The quality of American institutions in general is in free fall.

    It’s not just America.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/will-germany-finally-start-eu-breakup

    If it’s too long a read, a glimpse at the picture should suffice.

  92. Twinkie says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The vast majority of conservatives also are essentially blank slatists.

    Agreed. But most “hereditarians” today are about genes + environment (incl. culture), not just genes. So being one doesn’t preclude the idea of criticizing moral and cultural collapses (say, among blacks) – which is neatly captured by the phenomenon of the black bastardy rate. It always has been higher in the U.S. than the white rate, but was several decades ago lower than what the white rate is today.

    I have yet to see much conservative thought about what policy outcomes flow from the knowledge

    I have proposed one repeatedly – essentially the German-style three-tier secondary education system that channels pupils into menial labor track, technical training/apprenticeship track, and (for a very few) the university track.

    But why would any pol or academic propose this? It would lead to a de facto racial caste system and would be career suicide to any said pol or academic.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
  93. res says:

    Really good piece, Steve. I especially liked how well you tied it into the related conversations (e.g. work of James Lee, 2017 THN Vox piece, Turkheimer in general, Afghans). The Rawls immigration connection was terrific.

    I am conflicted about the New Yorker article and Harden’s book in general. I hate the degree to which she misleads, mischaracterizes the positions of others, and throws others under the bus. But I think she does a decent job of staying away from outright lying (compared to others on this topic, a low bar, perhaps worth discussing specific cases where she does lie).

    But on the whole I think she does a service by raising important points in a manner which has a chance of being heard by her target audience (which is not us). Before any of us commenters throws stones at her consider if you would be willing to be profiled by and in the US media espousing more honest views.

    • Agree: Peter Johnson, Rob
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  94. Uncle Dan says:
    @Jack D

    “The Trotskys make the Revolution but the Bronsteins pay the price.”

    • Agree: kaganovitch
  95. @Twinkie

    Would all commenters please stop talking about her physical appearance so ungraciously, it is very obnoxious. She is a lovely young woman and we are discussing her research not her sex appeal. Just obnoxious and immature to discuss her in that demeaning way. Positive remarks done tastefully are ok IMHO, but nothing else.

    • Agree: JackOH, Calvin Hobbes
    • Thanks: El Dato, Rosie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @S. Anonyia
  96. J.Ross says:

    This is a somewhat disingenuous way of putting it. Harris neither started nor ran the Minnesota Freedom Fund (she probably didn’t even contribute). Who did? Who? Who? WHO?

    • Replies: @epebble
  97. @MEH 0910

    HOW TO ARGUE WITH A RACIST

    Soon to be required reading for, well, everyone.

    I have given over my account login to another person & have to request permission to get in.

    Prophylaxis. I didn’t say that, someone made it appear that i said it, this thing that you want to cancel me for.

  98. Off topic:

    The question nobody wants to answer….

    How did the corona virus come to America?….hint:I think it has something to do with the 1965 Immigration Reform Act…

    • Replies: @epebble
  99. Media oligarch Rupert Murdoch had a phone hacking operation that came to public light. A whistleblower employee brought public attention to this, but then ended up dead under mysterious circumstances.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/whistleblower_in_murdoch_phone_hacking_scandal

    On Monday, Sean Hoare, a former reporter who helped blow the whistle on the Murdoch-owned News of the World, was found dead in his home. Hoare had been the source for a New York Times story tying phone hacking to former News of the World editor Andy Coulson, who would later become director of communications for British Prime Minister David Cameron. Coulson was arrested as the scandal broke open earlier this month. Police say Hoare appears to have died of natural causes, but the determination had not lessened suspicion of foul play. Hoare not only talked about phone hacking, but phone tracking as well, or as he said they called in the newsroom “pinging,” where he said News of the World would pay police, he believed, to track individuals’ locations.

  100. J.Ross says:
    @res

    Maybe this is wrong. Maybe the people who actually know anything should not even, as it were, pretend to be able to communicate with plants. Consider how it would end if it “worked:” there would be one grudging incremental improvement predicated on maintaining everything that doesn’t work. Let this self-appointed priesthood suffer the whole shock of realizing that they were wrong.

  101. Twinkie says:
    @res

    Good to see you back. I missed your comments last month on AK’s blog until now, but how could you leave James Thompson out of the “data driven blog on the Unz Review” category?

    Thanks. James Thompson is not under the list of blogs on the site. But I have read his works occasionally here.

    I think you are overly hard on Harden’s appearance.

    I didn’t write that she was ugly. To me, she just looks normal for a woman of her educational/socio-economic milieu. It baffles me why some men leap to “attractive” (not to mention “smart and brave”) superlatives so readily.

    Note that she is getting significant blowback from the left as it is.

    the degree to which she misleads, mischaracterizes the positions of others, and throws others under the bus

    There was a time when no amount of sharing enemies would have excused this kind of obvious deception and dishonesty.

    Before any of us commenters throws stones at her consider if you would be willing to be profiled by and in the US media espousing more honest views.

    Yes, true, but how many of those of us (esp. menfolk) of our political, ideological, and/or scientific persuasion – if we were to come forward – would be getting kid glove treatment of Harden on the likes of the New Yorker and be given glossy photographic treatments? Would we be subjected to coverage and treatment that we would later describe as “10/10 do it again!”? Would we even want that?

    At the end of the day, she is still complicit in the promotion of dishonest bullshit and the demonization of those who tell the truth and, far from suffering as a martyr for telling some honest things, she is still carefully maintaining that she is a part of the winning tribe and is being celebrated as an academic celebrity.

    It appears to me that she is still a careerist above all – unless she is really delusional and buys the GWAS stops at race nonsense.

    a chance of being heard by her target audience (which is not us)

    How would you articulate her “target audience”? And, furthermore, if this so-called audience were to buy what she is selling, which, again, isn’t just “heredity matters,” but “heredity matters within races, but anyone who takes heredity to among race is just a vile Satanic racist,” what changes, if any, will this wrought for the debate as a whole and for real truth-tellers?

    • Replies: @res
  102. @Peter Akuleyev

    “I think so, yes” is pretty thin broth for a Christian.

    His explanation is right on the spot: God is the symbol for our (intellectual) constraints (God is explained by him as a symbol for our intellectual constraints).
    (His other explanation is – intellectually – a bit soft. But wiser nonetheless. The old Goethe, in a “billet” to a young lady, did change a verse of his, which read in the original version that it was “he, who did put up the stars for you” – and now, with eighty, Goethe made that explicit: God did put up the stars for you / as guides on land and at sea…

    Goethe quoted his poem Sense of Liberty in the West-Eastern Divan.
    Here is this little billet, that lets the eighty years old Goethe – finally – speak of God:
    https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/buecher/klassik-stiftung-erwirbt-handschrift-zu-goethes-divan-17507243.html

  103. Jack D says:
    @res

    I agree. When Bermuda (alone among all of the countries on the planet) shows black and white IQ to be equal you have to be suspicious of the data and/or the methodology used to gather the data. Either Bermuda has some unique population of blacks or else their data is unreliable (or some combination of both).

    It doesn’t have to be conscious fraud. It could be some sort of selection effect. Shanghai, China shows some of the highest PISA scores on the planet and it’s not (just) that they are cheating (there’s surely some of that too) but that the population of Shanghai is selected vs. the general population of China.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  104. @Jack D

    Bermuda (alone among all of the countries on the planet) shows black and white IQ to be equal you have to be suspicious of the data and/or the methodology used to gather the data. Either Bermuda has some unique population of blacks or else their data is unreliable (or some combination of both).

    Well, Bermuda is not a country, it’s an exclusive enclave. Point being not to nitpick but to observe that anything is possible within such a place. Open Bermuda to a few million third-world migrants and watch its demographics transform in real time!

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  105. @Arclight

    The Han Chinese Challenge

    The Han are not constricted by the notions of equality that afflict us. Their researchers will race ahead of the “West’s”; their AI systems will be more refined and efficient and profitable……..the West no longer , or will shortly no longer , command an unassailable position for agenda setting even within its old borders

  106. Finally, the sort of hoax that they won’t countenance.

    • Thanks: TWS, Polistra
    • Replies: @El Dato
  107. Rob says:

    Dr Harden is certainly an example of the value of diversity -actual diversity- in the psychology and social sciences. Unlike Charles Murray, Harden is someone mainstreamers and even intelligent left wing Gentiles will listen to. “Hey guys, blacks are dumber” is no a message that hits crimestop and religious thought walls. “Hey guys, anti-poverty programs could be made more effective by accomidating the neurodiversity of poor peopke” might actually get through, especially if it’s accompanied by either a few concrete policy changes or even hust some heuristics for designing programs to help poor people.

    Very intelligent, even moderately intelligent, people tend to place give intelligence a lot of moral weight. When they scream at you that because you think group x is less intelligent on average, you think they are subhuman, they are implicitly saying that they think less intelligent people are less human.

    They do not realize that less intelligent people don’t value themselves or others based on intelligence, they value other things humor and athletic ability, especially basketball- come to mind. They don’t always realize they are less intelligent, they they think the society is set up to exploit them. In fairness, a lot of institutions have switched gears to defrauding and not-quite-illegally defrauding them. Take community colleges. There are a lot of community colleges working hard to get ambitious unintelligent people to take out student loans for “education” that they cannot benefit from, because they are not smart enough. A bunch of companies provide services for poor people at nominally low prices, but their business model is to make their profits of of for eg, late fees, that poor people often incur because they are less intelligent or because they don’t have steady incomes, because they are less intelligent.

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    I think Jews who scream that admitting any difference between certain “arbitrary” groups of people, like different races, have any genetic differences at all, even height, or humorously, skin color is the first step down an inevitable road to another Holocaust, but Gentiles who scream about it are probably just very nice, empathetic people who don’t want to say mean things about blacks as a group or even individual blacks. As an example, I used to tell black kids that what the thought was both wrong and dumb. Then I read the Bell Curve, and realized “oh, blacks are dumb.” I never again told a black person their idea was stupid or their worldview was dumb.

    On how on reacts to knowing blacks are less intelligent. I’m “racist” for thinking that, but I’m not a sick, so I did try to guide a couple of ghetto (by my city’s standards) blacks through the basics of white middle class culture at work, and it worked pretty well. That makes me think that blacks need more specific instructions than either general principles from which they derive how to act, or showing them particular ways to act and leaving them to extract general principles.

    I don’t think that can work on a large scale though. If there are a fair number of blacks, then they form cliques, and all behave similarly. Then all get similar negative results, so they think the white people are racist. To be fair, the white people were both racist and anti racist. They had stereotypes about blacks, but easily made exceptions for blacks who were nice to them, they were anti racist in that did like that they were racist, and they thought that racism was wrong. Needless to say, these opposing thoughts caused some cognitive dissonance along the lines of “this black person is acting badly in a stereotypically black manner. Oh shit! No! I just had a racist thought “bad self, bad! I am a bad person to be thinking this racist thought, and doing this racist thing.” No one likes feeling like a horrible person. Who did they blame for making them like pieces of shit? They blamed the black person, of course!

    “Showing respect” to white bosses is a huge sticking point. Blacks hats having to say ‘sir’ or ‘ma’am, or acting deferentially to whites. You gotta admit, it has much different historical and cultural meaning to black people than it does to whites

    I must point out that my method, of not taking small things that might or might not be micro aggressions personally, adopting work culture at work, and interact with white people the way white people do, even if you are just playing a role. In contrast in vogue corporate culture tells black black people to be extremely sensitive to microaggressions, and that they are there to represent black culture. That they are Diversity adding flavor to bland whit people.

    A lot of the problems black people have with whites they work with are caused by culture clash, and could be mitigated by getting black people to fit in to the business’ culture. One guy I convinced to “act so ,white” with “think of white people as computers. Your body and voice are the keyboard. By doing things with the keyboard, you get the results you want” that didn’t quite click for him, so I got him to think of it like using a game console controller. He took about a month before he got a commissioned sales job, I forget doing what. I hope he did well, but we lost touch.

    Maybe Culture Sailer is right, and black people resist “thinking white”? Like progressives think of some products of western civ, in particular progressivism, are universally applicable, but other cultures consider them “white”? I like I said above, Given that they are (currently?) less intelligent, we should focus on getting blacks into the American mainstream at the bottom, rather than throughout? This has to be worthwhile for them, meaning life at the bottom needs to be much improved, through things like health and dental care. One way to help would be to cut immigration for a tighter labor market and higher wages.

  108. @HammerJack

    Then I read Jack’s second paragraph. Yeah, like that 😉

    Meanwhile back here in Fun Land…

    How many things are wrong with this picture?

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  109. res says:
    @Twinkie

    Thanks. James Thompson is not under the list of blogs on the site. But I have read his works occasionally here.

    Looking more closely I see things divided up as columnists, bloggers, and tweeters (clicking on Bloggers> All Bloggers at the top of the UR home page). Now Bloggers only has Steve Sailer, Anatoly Karlin, and Paul Kersey (I presume AE was here as well, I hardly ever use the links at the top of the page). There are also only three Tweeters: Steve Sailer, Anatoly Karlin, and James Thompson (was AE also here?). The non-Bloggers are listed under Columnists (also at the bottom of the page by names).

    I hadn’t realized that columnists and bloggers were considered separate categories. Here is Ron’s description of those categories.
    https://www.unz.com/announcement/columnists-and-bloggers/

    I made a sharp distinction between “bloggers” and “columnists,” the former usually publishing one or more short “posts” per day, while the latter produced much lengthier and more substantial columns or articles, typically on a weekly basis.

    So by that definition it kind of makes sense that short form bloggers would be less likely to do thorough data driven pieces than columnists. The distinction seems a bit artificial to me since it seems to conflate frequency and length/substance–with a given author often providing content which varies across both (all, length and substance tend to be correlated but are not the same) of those dimensions.

    In any case, thanks for clarifying and helping me understand that better.

    Hard to argue with this.

    It appears to me that she is still a careerist above all – unless she is really delusional and buys the GWAS stops at race nonsense.

    I just wonder if any of us would do things differently if our career was on the line. Beyond just remaining silent, but that really isn’t an option for a behavioral geneticist. It would be interesting to have a true understanding of Harden’s views and how they have changed over time.

    How would you articulate her “target audience”? And, furthermore, if this so-called audience were to buy what she is selling, which, again, isn’t just “heredity matters,” but “heredity matters within races, but anyone who takes heredity to among race is just a vile Satanic racist,” what changes, if any, will this wrought for the debate as a whole and for real truth-tellers?

    The first question is interesting and I would like to hear other views. I see her target audience as
    – Normies who are asking uncomfortable questions (of the believe your lying eyes sort).
    – Leftist academics and pundits who keep putting indefensible positions out there (i.e. saying obviously stupid things).

    My thinking is this constitutes a helpful shift in the Overton window. A big part of the benefit I see is that Harden can’t win an honest argument on this topic. So the more she and others engage the better for people who have evidence on their side. I think that reasoning is why so many choose to simply reply with strawmen and ad hominems rather than engaging with “racists.”

    In addition, admitting these are legitimate questions enables the obvious response: “OK. Let’s go gather data to answer the question(s).” To me that is the obvious scientific response.

    I also don’t see Harden being so eager to deplatform people like Murray. Again, I think if the people who have facts on their side are allowed to engage in a fair fight they will win. Perhaps that is naive of me.

    P.S. Regarding her appearance, etc. it all depends on the comparison groups. I think you captured your point well with: “she just looks normal for a woman of her educational/socio-economic milieu” (also depends on how wide you define the normal range to be). I think that group trends attractive/smart relative to the broader population. As far as brave, perhaps not by your standards of military service and combat sports, but she is taking a significant risk here even if the New Yorker is treating her with kid gloves. BTW, what do you think THEIR motivation is here?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  110. @Alfa158

    There must be a few Progressives who are at least somewhat interested in solving actual problems rather than just perpetuating an ideological party line.

    For example, the left currently wastes all its political, moral and financial capital in maintaining an education system based on the myth that every kid of every race is a potential doctor, lawyer, or college professor. They just paper over the abject failure of this system by using affirmative action to put a bunch of unqualified diversity hires into a relatively small number of elite positions. Proving blacks can be elite is their ideological obsession.

    But helping the largest number of blacks would require optimizing the life opportunities of the millions of people with an IQ of 75-85, and the behavioral equivalent of a acute ADHD. That might involve practical training and building compensating life habits and character traits like self-discipline and social responsibility. A little realism can go a long way in solving real problems.

    • Agree: Rob
    • Replies: @vinteuil
  111. Twinkie says:
    @Peter Johnson

    Who appointed you to be the school marm here?

    None of the critique, physical or otherwise, would have been necessary had not others engaged in weird adulatory panegyrics (“brave, attractive,” etc.).

  112. Dmon says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I agree with most of what you say, but I would say most people are just muddled thinkers. The great majority (at least of Whites) in America, where the rubber meets the road act as if they were convinced nature was 100% of it. Upper middle class families with two professional incomes think nothing of placing their offspring in the fulltime care of an illiterate central American woman. Despite their public avowals of blank slatism, they seem to take it for granted that their kids will be law partners and not Guatemalan peasants.

  113. vinteuil says:

    Dr. Harden is happy to go along with all the usual defamatory crap about anybody an inch to her right.

    To Hell with her.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  114. @Anonymous

    How smart are cockroaches? Rats? Crows? Or any number of clever creatures that often overrun a good place that was made good by others?

    Having some kind of evolutionary ability or habit of ruining things en masse is not an indication of intelligence. “C*nts” like that are entropy at work, destroying order and beauty, which are rare and delicate.

  115. And Denmark’s attack of sanity intensifies..

  116. @Mitchell Porter

    It certainly sounds a believable figure. In Bradford, Yorkshire, where the Pakistani population are mostly from Mirpur (in Kashmir), a study of 11,300 births found that “of 5,127 babies of Pakistani origin, 37% had married parents who were first cousins, compared to less than 1% of married couples nationally.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-23183102

    Other papers give a figure of up to 70%

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/hiba-maroof-should-i-marry-my-cousin-bbc-three-documentary-bradford-genetic-a7830501.html

  117. JMcG says:
    @Twinkie

    Hey, glad to see you’re still around. Hope you are all well!

    • Thanks: Twinkie
  118. epebble says:
    @J.Ross

    Who did?

    The Minnesota Freedom Fund was founded in 2016 by Simon Cecil, a graduate student at the University of Minnesota who received a \$5,000 grant through the university’s Carlson School of Management and a further \$5,000 from a business competition, the Acara Challenge.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Freedom_Fund

  119. vinteuil says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    There must be a few Progressives who are at least somewhat interested in solving actual problems rather than just perpetuating an ideological party line.

    Hope springs eternal.

  120. @Achmed E. Newman

    By “we” does that mean “everybody except ‘intellectuals’?”

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  121. Twinkie says:
    @res

    I just wonder if any of us would do things differently if our career was on the line.

    I worked at a multi-billion dollar defense contractor once and was being groomed for leadership roles. It all went kablooey when I refused to sign off on a business relationship with a fishy Chinese enterprise (that was eventually indicted by the federal grand jury for diverting American technology to PLA factories). When there was pressure to “slightly” alter my report regarding the matter, I resigned in protest (and sent a scathing letter to all senior executives concerned) and triggered a corporate ombudsman’s investigation. I lost lots of compensation/bonus/yet-to-be-vested stocks and became unemployable in that state and, for that matter, in that line of work.

    I’d do it again readily if given the same circumstances.

    One either has principles or one doesn’t. One either believes in truth and acts accordingly or “makes a whore of one’s soul.”

    Throwing under the bus others whom she likely knows are telling the truth in order to further her own career and public profile is not courage or any kind of assistance to the sharing of truth, any which way you cut it. It’s just a deplorable, vicious, and self-serving behavior masked with a nice dress and a facade of moderation.

    BTW, what do you think THEIR motivation is here?

    First of all, she hails from a conservative, religious family. She is a traitor to her own tribe. Of course the likes of the New Yorker eats this stuff up. I saw this routinely at my Ivy League almae matres decades ago. The Establishment loves when peasant-Americans become zealous converts, denounce their own, and ape those in power.

    I suspect co-option as the main motive. I remember when the results of the study into the effects of the so-called Brady Bill came out (CDC, NIH, I don’t remember which institution). All the gun control groups had TWO press briefings ready, which were:

    1. The AWB was effective in reducing crime – this clearly shows we need a more aggressive and comprehensive AWB!

    2. The AWB was not effective in reducing crime – this clearly shows that it was too little and we need a more aggressive and comprehensive AWB!

    Harden isn’t some crypto-rightist hereditarian secretly plotting to convert the Woketariat into trusting the science on heredity with clever marketing. Her policy goal appears to be EXACTLY the same as the blank slaters, but merely to use (limited) hereditarian arguments to achieve the same, all the while never violating the race taboo.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @res
  122. El Dato says:

    OT: Taliban now painting over portraits of violent american drug addicts they found on local walls

    • Thanks: profnasty
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  123. MEH 0910 says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    What is the deal with that photo anyway? Are those leaves on the floor?


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    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @El Dato
  124. res says:
    @Bill Jones

    So this was a billion dollar study?

    SNP sequencing is even less expensive. You can do that for yourself under \$100. Don’t know what it costs wholesale at large (e.g. UK Biobank) scale.

    Some information from that 2018 study.
    https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/laibson/files/ssgac_nature-genetics_072318.pdf

    Here, we report results from (i) a meta-analysis of EA based on a much larger sample of 1,131,881 individuals and (ii) joint (multi-trait) analyses of EA and three genetically correlated phenotypes: cognitive (test) performance (N = 257,841), self-reported math ability (N = 564,698), and hardest math class completed (N = 430,445).

    The details are in the Supplementary Material.
    https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41588-018-0147-3/MediaObjects/41588_2018_147_MOESM1_ESM.pdf

    By meta-analyzing summary statistics from association analyses conducted in the 59 EA2 cohorts (combined N = 199,819), and the twelve cohorts in Supplementary Table 16 (combined N = 932,062), we obtain our final discovery sample of N = 1,131,881. Over half of the increase in sample size relative to EA is due to sample-size increases in the 23andMe cohort (an increase from N = 76,155 in EA2 to N = 365,536) and UKB (increase from 111,349 to 442,183).

    Basically, they got the data from other people with 23andMe and the UK Biobank making up most of the data.

    The interesting question is where they got data to up the sample size to 3 million in their upcoming paper.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Anonymous
    , @Travis
  125. @Twinkie

    The whole “I’m in the middle against both extremes” shtick is just so much self-serving self-flattery and a straw man of the right, to boot. The truth is that the left is purely environmentarian, but the right is not purely hereditarian. Hardly anyone on the right argues that “genes are everything” – not even that Satan-Incarnate Charles Murray.

    Agree and thanks, Twinkie.

    I read the New Yorker thing a couple days back and right up front, lying from this Gideon Lewis-Kraus character:

    The behavior geneticist Kathryn Paige Harden is waging a two-front campaign: on her left are those who assume that genes are irrelevant, on her right those who insist that they’re everything.

    Since when does the right not care about environment, about “culture”. LOL.

    This is entirely a one sided insanity. The minoritarian left simply believes (or claims to believe)–for entirely political purposes–that genes aren’t significant drivers of life outcomes. Lest … minoritarianism come undone.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  126. res says:
    @Twinkie

    First of all, she hails from a conservative, religious family. She is a traitor to her own tribe. Of course the likes of the New Yorker eats this stuff up. I saw this routinely at my Ivy League almae matres decades ago. The Establishment loves when peasant-Americans become zealous converts, denounce their own, and ape those in power.

    I think that nails The New Yorker’s motivation. Thanks. I have seen it as well in other places.

    Harden isn’t some crypto-rightist hereditarian secretly plotting to convert the Woketariat into trusting the science on heredity with clever marketing. Her policy goal appears to be EXACTLY the same as the blank slaters, but merely to use (limited) hereditarian arguments to achieve the same, all the while never violating the race taboo.

    Agreed about the first. I’m honestly not clear on her policy goal beyond trying to make what she considers defensible arguments. Perhaps best viewed as falling back from an overextended position to a more defensible line?

    Regarding career, etc. I can see why you are reacting to this (you have justifiably higher standards in a number of areas ; ). I am being far too charitable because she is at least willing to speak some truth–in contrast to most people in the public eye these days. AFAICT all of the people on the public stage who would decide as you did have been sidelined one way or another. And the few who tried have paid for it. As you did.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  127. In the 1970s, the science-denialist Establishment view was represented by actual scientists of achievement in their own specialties who were also cultured authors, such as Harvard biologists Stephen Jay Gould and the recently deceased Richard Lewontin.

    But now the left’s intellectual pacesetters are instead minds like Florida A&M African American Studies and Magazine Production double major Ibram X. Kendi, crank amateur historian Nikole Hannah-Jones, ed school prole prof Robin DiAngelo, and Fleet Street hack Angela Saini.

    I.e. the minoritarian attack on whites, nations and science was led by Jews. Gould and Lewontin were evil men … but actually competently evil (to the extent you can peddle scientific lies competently).

    But the logic of minoritarianism–bad whitey! it’s all because of bad white men, 24x7x365–suggests that minorities, all minorities, are just as capable and ergo get to replace whitey. And once done … then you have them hanging around and must pretend that they are worth listening to. The competent minoritarians can’t elbow them all aside, as it would debunk their own lies.

  128. El Dato says:
    @HammerJack

    Academia is a target-rich environment.

    “Lock hoax wings into attack positions, I’m going in”.

  129. res says:
    @res

    The interesting question is where they got data to up the sample size to 3 million in their upcoming paper.

    I looked more closely at the tweet thread I linked above. All of the new contribution came from 23andMe.

  130. Rob says:

    You know what would be awesome to have with a GWAS, what would be Uber-cool (iPad made me cap) if it were standard with GWAS.

    Take a photo of each participant in a standardized format, then do whatever magic goes into making composite pictures, and then show us the average look of people who are below 2σ, then between -2 and -1…I would love to see what looks correlate with IQ or EA.

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    They say physiognomy is a pseudoscience? They can prove it! Show us clueless rubes how dumb we are!

    People who are low IQ because they have common SNPs that depress IQ might look totally the same, but I doubt it. But if the big differences are in having more extreme features (showing dysregulated development?) that’ll be less visible in composites.

    So facial analysis might be more interesting. There were two papers a while back on gay face. One found that gays had more masculinized features. The other found that gays had either less masculinized or more feminized, I forget. It’s almost as if there are two broad causal or developmental paths of male homosexuality, an “over”-masculinized and and one thst’s either “under”-masculinized or “over”-feminized.

    Another interesting thing to add to GWAS is infectious disease related. The immune system keeps a record of diseases you’ve been exposed to. We can do immunome panels of hundreds, maybe thousands of peptides to see what you have antibodies against.

    As a dumb example, on a GWAS/IWAS on immunodeficiency, having antibodies to HIV would explain more of the variance (assuming some people in the study have AIDS) than any common SNP.

    Generally, you can add pretty much anything to GWAS if it readily split into two categories. Wanna see if astrology is real: code each star sign as a “gene” with two alleles, call yes as G and no as A or whatever, and you won’t even have to change any code. Birth order can go in too.

    Vaccine status for every vaccine? Yup includable.

    Pathways can go in. Rare alleles if we do full genome sequencing instead of SNP chips.

    Is the military reality-based enough to do GWAS on soldiers/officers/airmen, etc? If they have, I assume the results would be classified, but there might be a lot of GWAS studies that have been done, though not on a random sample of the population.

    Most GWAS IQ studies have been performed with very noisy non-full scale IQ tests, right? Like, they’ve got spit from 10,000 people who each took a ten item IQ test? Or are they done with better data these days, I do not keep up,

    I cannot imagine General Milley Cyrus approving of a GWAS study of anything expect tendency to be fabulous or for a witch hunt against people who are not woke.

    • Replies: @res
  131. In the 1970s, the science-denialist Establishment view was represented by actual scientists of achievement in their own specialties who were also cultured authors, such as Harvard biologists Stephen Jay Gould and the recently deceased Richard Lewontin.

    Doesn’t Pinker’s Blank Slate record that these actual scientists were actual liars?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  132. Ian Smith says: • Website
    @Bill P

    And the Right has gone from Russell Kirk to Charlie Kirk.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  133. Anonymous[321] • Disclaimer says:
    @Currahee

    Maybe ignoring the great mass of people who would’ve loved to have had an advocate was the problem? Because the so-called smart fraction don’t seem to have much loyalty to anything but their narrow little lives.

  134. @Peter Johnson

    The commenters criticizing her appearance probably have less attractive spouses or girlfriends, if they have any. She just looks like a grown-up version of a standard sorority girl from a good university, there is nothing wrong with her appearance unless someone has an irrational dislike of stereotypically Northwest European facial features. Maybe the commenters spend too much time watching actresses on tv. Or maybe they live in plastic surgery meccas.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    , @TWS
  135. @Twinkie

    You don’t seem to know women, academic or otherwise, well.

    If you do a an image search of her, the photo associated with U of T’s Twin Project is a casual snapshot in which she has brown hair. The website now shows a professional portrait in which she has blond highlights. Looks like she’s gone to the trouble of having someone replace her photos.

    That said, I think she looks better with her natural hair color.

  136. This is only peripherally related to the bit about Afghanistan at the end, but it’s so perfectly iSteve that I can’t resist sharing. Macaulay on citizenism in an 1845 speech:

    I say then, Sir, that I fully admit the paramount authority of moral obligations. But it is important that we should accurately understand the nature and extent of those obligations. We are clearly bound to wrong no man. Nay, more, we are bound to regard all men with benevolence. But to every individual, and to every society, Providence has assigned a sphere within which benevolence ought to be peculiarly active; and if an individual or a society neglects what lies within that sphere in order to attend to what lies without, the result is likely to be harm and not good.

    It is thus in private life. We should not be justified in injuring a stranger in order to benefit ourselves or those who are dearest to us. Every stranger is entitled, by the laws of humanity, to claim from us certain reasonable good offices. But it is not true that we are bound to exert ourselves to serve a mere stranger as we are bound to exert ourselves to serve our own relations. A man would not be justified in subjecting his wife and children to disagreeable privations, in order to save even from utter ruin some foreigner whom he never saw. And if a man were so absurd and perverse as to starve his own family in order to relieve people with whom he had no acquaintance, there can be little doubt that his crazy charity would produce much more misery than happiness.

    It is the same with nations. No statesmen ought to injure other countries in order to benefit his own country. No statesman ought to lose any fair opportunity of rendering to foreign nations such good offices as he can render without a breach of the duty which he owes to the society of which he is a member. But, after all, our country is our country, and has the first claim on our attention. There is nothing, I conceive, of narrow-mindedness in this patriotism. I do not say that we ought to prefer the happiness of one particular society to the happiness of mankind; but I say that, by exerting ourselves to promote the happiness of the society with which we are most nearly connected, and with which we are best acquainted, we shall do more to promote the happiness of mankind than by busying ourselves about matters which we do not fully understand, and cannot efficiently control.

    There are great evils connected with the factory system in this country. Some of those evils might, I am inclined to think, be removed or mitigated by legislation. On that point many of my friends differ from me; but we all agree in thinking that it is the duty of a British Legislator to consider the subject attentively, and with a serious sense of responsibility. There are also great social evils in Russia. The peasants of that empire are in a state of servitude. The sovereign of Russia is bound by the most solemn obligations to consider whether he can do anything to improve the condition of that large portion of his subjects. If we watch over our factory children, and he watches over his peasants, much good may be done. But would any good be done if the Emperor of Russia and the British Parliament were to interchange functions; if he were to take under his patronage the weavers of Lancashire, if we were to take under our patronage the peasants of the Volga; if he were to say, “You shall send no cotton to Russia till you pass a ten Hours’ Bill;” if we were to say, “You shall send no hemp or tallow to England till you emancipate your serfs?”

    I coincidentally read a bit of this passage favorably quoted by George F. Kennan in his book Around the Cragged Hill recently. Three know-nothing ignoramuses who espouse the philosophy of citizenism: Thomas Babington Macaulay, George F. Kennan, and Steve Sailer.

  137. @vinteuil

    She’s already received criticism for her work, she has to tread carefully.

    It’s not like leftist dogma is going to disappear from academia in one fell swoop.

    • LOL: Polistra
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  138. neutral says:
    @MattinLA

    40 years is too generous, it was already too late 150 years ago.

  139. Polistra says:
    @J.Ross

    Why should the wokesters hate research? They’re already redefining it–along with “science” in general–as whatever best supports they feelz. They have nothing to worry about from either.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  140. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    SNP sequencing is even less expensive. You can do that for yourself under \$100

    That’s not sequencing, it’s microarrays analysis, that’s what 23andMe and other similar outlets do. Exome sequencing, if there were a market demand, can possibly get to the \$100 target. Full genome at \$100 remains a pipe dream.

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  141. @Chrisnonymous

    I’ve never heard that Gould lied about ancient snails, his specialty.

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  142. Rob says:
    @Anonymous

    I think the problem is that the upper middle class and especially the professional-managerial class (the pro-man class hereafter, though the are very much pro-woman) have realized they are classes. There kids meet each other at selective colleges, not the non-selective colleges where essentially anyone can get in that the rubes think is “going to college”. In extremis, the meet in honors programs, and start to realize that their interests (in an economic sense) are not the interests of the middle class.

    To put a slightly futuristic stance, they are the ones who get bonuses from firing the middle class white collar workers. They also got bonuses from firing the call center staffs. Remember how outsourcing hit light assembly workers first, and you did not complain, because you were not a light assembly worker? The outsourcing monster has its head in the US and it’s tail somewhere in Asia, currently China. The outsourcing monster ate the part of the working class that made transportable things. It pooped out factories in China. No one in media complained, because after a few generations of IQ-sorting on both magnitude and tilt, no one in the media knew their third cousin once removed who lost his job in that Midwestern town your mother moved out of. The media said, “no one wants to work in factories” as if anyone wanted to work in the call centers that replaced them. Then he ate the call centers, and pooped the call centers out in India. The media laughed at the hicks who had worked in call centers, thinking that no one in the media wanted to hear their hick accents when they called tech support…Now the outsourcing monster eats media. They do not laugh anymore. If you laugh, and give them the helpful advice they gave people whose jobs were eaten, and tell them “to learn to code” then you’re gonna get kicked off Twitter.

    I have simplified the outsourcing monster. He has a head at both ends and a tail at both ends. The other head is better called the Insourcing Monster. He used to eat Mexicans, and poo the out right across the border. He has grown large over the years, and he eats a much more varied diet. He still eats Mexicans, but now he eats educated Indians, too. He eats from every nation on earth, and poos all across the first world. Well, the white countries. Sometimes he decides he likes a nationality and eats a bunch of them, he poos them out not into waiting industries, but just out in Maine or Minnesota, and trusts the nice people there to take care of them.

    I’m just kidding! There are no monsters! It’s the capitalist class!

    So anyway, the pro-man class has different interests than even the college educated middle class. They also have a ton more cultural pull than the middle class. From upper echelons of the media from whom the pixel-stained wretches at the bottom must take their cues, as that’s the way to move up, and who wants to be a pixel stained wretch his whole life? They know their kids are going to be pro-man class, because their parents are smart! But they don’t believe in IQ, you say? No, they don’t like that whites are smarter than blacks. They love being genetically smarter than the whites a class or two below them.

    Rich people want different things out of the economy than poor or middle class people. The poor want a cell phone and a paid bill, The middle class want a home away from where the Insourcing Monster pooped and an education. They rich want them to pay a lot for those things. The rich can afford iPads. They can afford great houses in great neighborhoods. What can’ they afford? Servants with other options! Way back when, nouveau riche factory owners stole all the servants, and gave them better-paying jobs in factories! The new new rich are not making that mistake. The new information economy either pay enough (app developer) that their interests align with the rich or they pay so little and are so unstable that no one working them can afford to unionize. Not to mention, they know everything. If you drive your Uber car to that Uber union meeting, do you think you’ll be getting many riders?

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  143. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I’ve never heard that Gould lied about ancient snails, his specialty.

    He didn’t lie, just interpreted them wrongly. His claim to fame, apart from being “public intellectual” bullshitter, was the theory of “punctuated equilibrium” which never made much sense and is now widely (in the narrow circles of the specialists) considered wrong.

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    , @res
  144. Rob says:
    @Rob

    Sorry! It would not let me edit in a more tag!

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  145. @HammerJack

    All of them, including that the “plastic surgeon” in question takes Medicaid.

  146. @rebel yell

    You seriously think that a carpenter and especially a farmer doesn’t benefit from IQ?

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  147. J.Ross says:
    @Polistra

    I don’t want Elvis Costello songs to be predictive because I am an integer divisible past a pair. With that being said, much of the current year has to do with wheels and red shoes. You now remember that Seth Green was in the X-Files pilot as a UFO-watching stoner. You now recall that James Comey was in the Beverley Hills Bordello episode about the corrupt cop. You now recall that John Candy was in the Ghostbusters music video even though he wasn’t in the movie. The future recedes. The past gushes forth maggot-like. The clock is ticking. Of course, you do understand?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  148. @Ian Smith

    And the Right has gone from Russell Kirk to Charlie Kirk.

    Via Captain Kirk.

  149. Rob says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    It doesn’t suit the HBD crew, because it means that black IQ can reach white norms – unthinkable!

    You misunderstand hbd, yo. I have not looked up the IQ of Bermuda or how long the blacks have been there, but 15 generations of the average IQ of the parental generation (weighted by the number of kids each had) averaging 4 points higher than the mean IQ of the unweighted parental generation, and heritability of IQ at 0.5, then 15(4)(.5) = 30 points. That’s the white-west African IQ gap right there.

    Any hbd advocate worthy of the term (yeah, I know No True Scotsman, but if I were like “I am as woke and progressive as people get, and I think blacks are subhuman and need to all be killed or at least sent back to Africa posthaste. Black Lives Matter!” You would tend to doubt whether I was actually woke) recognizes that a trait’s mean in a population can evolve. Indeed, response to selection (though less strong than posited above) of humans under different intensities of selection on different traits is why we think hbd is incontrovertibly true. Otherwise, you are either a liberal creationist or a regular creationist who is racist, not an HBDer.

    If Barbados was small farmers on plots that were too small (plausible on an island) overseen by heartless British colonial administration enforcing white norms by say hanging murderers and enforcing property rights. Coupled with being an island that was probably hard for blacks to leave, so they are playing an iterated prisoners’ dilemma, I can see selection strong enough to significantly move the needle on IQ.

    I myself have proposed that, if every black women with one bastard child was offered that, to keep benefits for the current and future kids, all future kids had to have a father chosen from this catalog of black (or not) men with 115 IQ or higher, and given that the mean with a three σ cutoff is maybe a point above the mean, and the average ghetto black probably has a 75 IQ, then with 0.5 heritability, (75 + 85)/2 = 80 and (115+85)/2 = 100, then (80+ 100)/2 = 90, then 90 would be the average IQ of about half the ghetto kids. Mom’s would notice how much better-behaved and capable the donor kids are, and pretty soon every ghetto wannabe baby’s mamma would chose a donor. The boost would be even bigger had she chosen a white donor, who due to higher population IQ and larger population size allowing one to use a higher cutoff, coupled with regression to a higher mean on the father’s side, then ghetto problems might go away in just 2-3 generations. Why chose a white father? Higher IQ children with lighter skin and better hair, and girls (at least) with those are more attractive. Why not chose an Asian father? Your daughters will be exotic.

    Is this plan realistic? Maybe not? Is it eleventy vermillion times more realistic than This One Weird Educational Trick or This One Weird White Progressives Pretend They Aren’t Racist Trick raising IQ and improving behavior in the ghetto? My Magic 8-Ball says “oh shit yes” (it’s a limited edition potty mouth 8-Ball).

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  150. @Rob

    What if you edit in the characters of the tag itself – less-than sign, exclamation point, 2 dashes,”more”, 2 more dashes, greater-than sign? I’m just curious – I think this worked one time for me, but I can’t remember for sure. I will try it in a bit here.

    Anyway, your comments are always interesting to me. (I don’t always have time when I’m reading through fast, but I try to get back to them.)

    [MORE]

    Yep that worked.

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  151. @MEH 0910

    Harden has two children by her ex-husband Tucker-Drob.

    Will the Paige-Harden-Tucker-Drob children inherit their parents’ propensity for divorce?

  152. The wealthy are not actually in control of the long term. Most of them have no transcendent concerns beyond their lifetimes.

    It wasn’t the smart wealthy folks who pushed gay rights. It was actually just the regular gay masses who wouldn’t shut up! Give them credit, they were shameless about pushing their agenda. Or take gun rights. Lord knows most of the “smart fraction” were opposed to concealed carry. Most of them demanded getting rid of handguns back in the 70s. They didn’t get what they wanted because the dumb masses pushed back after getting a bit radicalized on the issue.

    No, I believe the future belongs to whoever cares about it the most. Catering to a bunch of intellectual snobs is a losers game. After all, most of them are just toadies themselves.

  153. utu says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The largest gwas for educational attainment to date found almost thirteen hundred sites on the genome that are correlated with success in school.

    If you read Lee et al. paper closer including the FAQ notes

    Gene discovery and polygenic prediction from a genome-wide association study of educational attainment in 1.1 million individuals
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-018-0147-3

    you will find that only 3.9% of variance is explained by 1,271 SNPs:

    Taken together, these 1,271 SNPs accounted for just 3.9% of the variation across individuals in years of education completed.

    But when you expand polygenic score to 1 million SNP’s only then it can explain 11% of variance:

    As discussed in FAQ 1.5, we can create an index using the GWAS results from around ~1 million genetic variants. Such an index is called a “polygenic score.”

    The polygenic score we constructed “predicts” (see FAQ 1.4) around 11% of the variation in education across individuals (when tested in independent data that was not included in the GWAS). This ~1 million SNP polygenic score predicts much more of the variation than does the genetic predictor described in FAQ 2.2, which was based on only 1,271 SNPs. Including all ~1 million SNPs tends to add predictive power because the threshold for significance/inclusion that is used to identify the 1,271 SNPs is very conservative (i.e., many of the other ~1 million SNPs are also associated with educational attainment but are not identified by our study, and on net, it turns out empirically that more signal than noise is added by including them).

    In a sample of 1.1 million of individuals it takes about 1 million SNP’s to explain 11% of variance in educational attainment. There are altogether about 10 million of SNP’s. Is it still sensible to believe that education attainment or IQ scores can be predicted with significantly lower error than 89% of variance? It seems that the missing heritability gap is here to stay. IQ scores do not have 50% or higher heritability as it is being claimed based on MZ and DZ twins based studies. It is time to go back to the twin based studies of heritability and take seriously all the flaws of the method that critics have been pointing to from the very beginning.

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  154. @fish

    Eeeewww….Sanpaku eye!

    Shipaku.

  155. Twinkie says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Thanks for the link. I agree 100%.

  156. Twinkie says:
    @S. Anonyia

    She’s already received criticism for her work, she has to tread carefully.

    Treading carefully =/= denouncing others who are more truthful.

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  157. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:

    If you write a book with a three word title including an adjectival BELL you can trigger everyone.

  158. @Twinkie

    I guess we all have different standards.

    It would appear that a generous application of warpaint does improve her appearance.

    • LOL: Twinkie
  159. Rosie says:
    @Rob

    the pro-man class hereafter, though the are very much pro-woman

    What makes you think that?

    They’re not pro-woman at all. They just use gender politics as a diversion from class politics.

    • Replies: @Rob
  160. @Jack D

    Beauty standards are relative. Sure, among a pool of Hollywood actresses she would not rate very high

    As someone who stood literally a yard away from an A-list actor and actress (both mentioned in passing several times by the blog author) while strolling around Soho, I can’t say I was particularly impressed by their looks. IMHO, a good chunk of it is artifice – hair stylists and makeup artists, in addition to a religious devotion to the kind of diet/workout necessary to stay thin/ripped.

    • Agree: Captain Tripps
  161. Ralph L says:
    @MEH 0910

    It would take something criminal for me to believe that divorcing when your kids are 3 and 5 isn’t criminal.

  162. AKAHorace says:
    @Pat Hannagan

    What we are seeing before us is a radical change in human behaviour of such historical proportions that all our interactions will be forever replaced.

    In the midst of this top down revolution you’re so heavily committed to your absurd HBD hobby, which you vaingloriously promote yourself as at the vanguard of, as if some great noble noticing movement, you and all your progeny have been outclassed, outflanked and overrun.

    So Hannagan, perhaps you would be kind enough to explain to us Worzel Gummidges what radical change Sailer should be writing about instead of human biodiversity. If it is so important perhaps you should set up your own blog rather than trying to get others to write about it.

  163. Charlotte says:
    @SafeNow

    I wouldn’t be surprised if conservatives are hit by trains more often than liberals-simply because railroad crossings are pretty common in rural/semi-rural areas. On the other hand, liberals probably die on subway tracks more often than conservatives.

  164. @Inquiring Mind

    Any job benefits from IQ. Skilled and unskilled labor jobs don’t require the same intellectual rigor as physics. People who test on the left side of the IQ bell curve can lead productive work lives.

  165. Rob says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    In “fairness” to conservatives, they mostly do not think the poverty, dysfunction, and misery of “losers” are “problems. To some extent liberals fall into that callous boat with intelligence. They are sort of the opposite of the Zen Master in this joke paraphrased from memory from the Principia Discordia

    Zen Student: Master! I had an epiphany! Animals are our brothers, so we should not eat them!
    Zen Master: Why should we not eat our brothers?

    For people who think I’m commenting negatively on Zen, I am not. The master is saying that either one needs to have reasons why eating our brothers is wrong, or one must accept it as an axiom. I an’t sayin’ Zen Buddhists are cannibals.

    Progressive: I had an epiphany! Blacks are as intelligent as we are, so we should not exploit them
    Conservative: Blacks are dumb, so we should exploit them.
    Me: Why should we exploit the unintelligent?

    Though the problem of the proletariat is that (academically verbally and mathematically) smart people have been drained from the lower classes since 1945 or so. These new entrants to higher classes feel like winners, so they don’t have much sympathy for the losers left behind. The old wasp aristocracy was imperfect, but noblesse oblige was a thing they believed and practiced. Jews are not big on noblesse oblige for people who remind them of the anti-Semitic serfs of Eastern Europe (but why were they anti-Semitic?) though they do feel kinship with people who remind themselves of their fantasies of what the Old Country was like for them. So neither the Jews nor the merit-based Gentiles (Jews are there through merit, too. But they dislike the middle and working classes for their own reasons) feel any loyalty to “flyover” or “wrong neighborhood whites.

    [MORE]

    The feeling of alienation is quite reciprocated. Lots of upper middle class+ suburban and city folk thing that they’ll just move to the boonies come a shtf event. They will be surprised at how little they are wanted and how little their skills translate. Remember in Lucifer’s Hammer, the idly rich astronomy enthusiast who went out into the Forrest/up in the mountains to his observatory to try to ride out the worst? His assistant who lived there most of the time was there. With a gun and also some resentments about his boss. Hamner did not get to use his bolt hole. Lots of rich “prepares” will discover squatters, often caretakers, but sometimes other locals, have set up housekeeping in “their” humble abodes with lots of tech that can survive. Rich Silicon Valley guy has a “compound” out in the middle of nowhere, with its own little runway in the wilds of Montana? His pilot will be there before the “owner” can reach the California airport. As the one who can fly in and out of this otherwise isolated oasis, he will be big man on compound.

    I digress. But as you say, peop,e who are good with words, reasoning, and math have made quite a lot of effort to abandon people who are good with their hands or who just offer a strong back. NPR types talk of how awful it is that some West Virginian kids want to be drawers when they grow up. Not artists, mind; they want to draw on social security disability/workman’s comp. Left unsaid is that the ownership class’ servants have short term jobs that leave the employees crippled for life. Life is cheap when you have the third world as your labor pool.

    The capitalists and the new class have abandoned the working- classes. Those classes do not have as many brains as they used to. Do they have some? Well, the ‘up escalator’ has stopped – smart whites from the lower middle class- are not culturally compatible with the students at good colleges with values they can only hold because location, money, and cops protect them from contact with underclass blacks. The down escalator is moving faster than it used to be. “Up or out” is the new American class structure. There will be frustrated scions of the upper middle and pro-man class who actually can connect with working class men. Look at Candidate Trump from 2015. Not President Trump, he was Candidate Trump after McConnell, the Pentagon, and the CIA explained his situation: drop the populism or drop like the Kingfisher.
    ———-
    Long digression about Trump
    A seventy year-old worthless billionaire, a lifelong Democrat with the vocabulary of a 4th grader, and not a bright one, with ridiculous hair transplants and a spray on tan, won the Republican primary with zero political experience, several divorces, no loyal friends, the opposition of all media, including “conservative” outlets. He was branded a fascist because he believed things every Democratic politician believed in eighties, but mostly because huge crowds came to his rallies. They chanted his slogans. They wore his Red Hat of Hate, they were MAGA all the way. Thing is, every presidential candidate has a campaign slogan. Every one of them has a campaign logo. They all (historically) try to appeal to voters. Every politician makes promises. Well except Hillary, whose slogan was “I support Hillary” whose appeal to voters was “I am a human female” who called people she wanted to vote for her “a basketful of deplorables.” He won! What did he win on? Keep America American, re-shore factories, raise wages. Bring the military home. He pushed a company that was closing a plant to open one in Mexico to keeping the American one. He won with around one Republican Senator endorsing him.

    Imagine if Trump had been 40 or 45 instead of seventy. Imagine if he could speak like a person. Imagine if he had a pretty, intelligent, American wife and no divorces. He still had MAGA, and Build the Wall. He wanted to not only bring factories back, but bring home the silicon industry (used to be ours) he wanted healthcare for everyone. That man would win in a landslide. If he were a billionaire, he could remake the Republican (or Democratic) party in his image.

    More than half the country hates both parties. They are not represented. Trump represented them. They played by the rules and got nothing. A tax cut for billionaires, a SALT deduction limit, so a finger to the other side, but nothing for themselves. Israel got a whole lot. Why? Sheldon Adelson was his only donor. The deplorables did everything right. They got nothing. Absolute proof that the country is not small-d democratic. The Deep State. Yes, there is a deep state. It was a left wing notion until Trump got hold of it – Primary Candidate Trump was not a Republican. That an unelected judge overturned the President using an executive order to rescind an illegal executive order from the previous prez is proof of the Deep State. Generals lied to him to keep playing in Afghanistan. They botched the withdrawal from Afghanistan to hurt Biden, disobeying Trump to media praise built bad habits. Back to DACA, if a President can create a path to citizenship (staying and “legal” status are a path, A judge will rule that it is a violation of their constitutional rights that they are not citizens, because reasons, just wait) for foreigners when Congress refused to, and the next president cannot get rid of it? If Trump issued an executive order that all Russian children become American citizens when they turn 18, do you think a judge would let Biden rescind it? Different rules mean not a nation of laws.

    —————End Long Digression about Trump

    The abandoned deplorables played by the rules. Got less than nothing. Is it any wonder they don’t have great respect for the rules?

    Not to mention, progressives believe bizarre things about intelligence, personality, sex- I mean gender – race.

    Whatever you thought about young earth creationists, they did not want to mutilate children into parodies of the opposite sex. They thought, and still think there were two separate sexes. Evolutionarily, they are right. It makes autogynephiles unhappy, but it is true. No one can change sex. Men can dress like women and have their genitals altered or removed. They are not women. Trans women are mentally ill men. Every intersex condition is a biological defect, not a third sex – they do not make different gametes. Sex is not assigned at birth – it is noticed. Trans women are not called males at birth due to medical errors. They are men with delusions.

    That paragraph would get any Democrat cancelled. Elizabeth Warren (I wanted her at the beginning of primary season. By the time she dropped out, I wanted anyone but her) said she’d have a young mentally ill man (a trans woman) interview her surgeon general candidates and nix any who were sane and honest.

    Do progs really believe the transgender stuff? Probably not, but lying in public is a bad habit. The madness of crowds can be started and carried on as easily by liars as by hysterics.

    On the inclinations of normal boys and girls, and men and women differing because of biology? This is incontrovertible. Progressives are either delusional or lying. Unlike young earth creationists, this has real consequences. For one, the sexes being identical means there is no reason to change genders – sorry trans people. For an actual consequence, we have many fewer physicians actually available to do medicine, because women go part time or quit to raise children- fewer than if they had not spent their most fertile years getting training they would barely use.

    On even more important matters, gender feminism has drastically reduced the birth rate of intelligent women, and therefore intelligent men. For one thing, secular Jews will nearly disappear a ethnicity. There will be nonpracticing Jews, but they will not be the same ethnicity, they will be fallouts of orthodox and ultra orthodox communities. Smart women not having enough babies has great consequences- related to the matter of your comment.

    The first consequence is that it creates an excuse for immigration. Population must grow! Capitalists and landlords must get richer! But the immigrants we get are not Americans, and largely not smart.

    On race progressives are also insane. Blacks are less intelligent. That is why they could be enslaved so easily. That is why they only freed themselves on one island. That is why segregation led to blacks living hand to mouth in shacks, rather than building up physical and social capital, as every other group everywhere (Andaman islands, hunter gatherers in general) has managed literally everywhere. This is why tourists go to Europe for architecture and to Africa for wildlife. This is why Africans never invented a machine. This is why the only first world African country was the one with a large white minority, and it was only first world for whites. This is why… The evidence is overwhelming.

    Blacks are not just less intelligent, they are less civilized, less able to cooperate in large groups. More violent. Why violence is so prevalent in Africa. Why Haiti is violent. Why Chinatowns are peaceful and ghettoes are shooty. It is why so many blacks are murdered by blacks. It is particularly noticeable in children and teenagers. It is why whites flee heavily black areas. It is why black schools educate no one, even the few who can learn. It is why healthy young black men organize into small groups to do battle with similar groups. In particular, it is why blacks and police have such poor relationships.

    Which brings us to FloydFest, the Summer of George. Some very powerful and influential group utilized a video of a black dying in police custody, the lockdown, and mask mandates, and allowed one exception to the lockdown: protesting for “racial justice.” The media followed orders, and did not report on violence, looting and arson. The riots went on for months. Antifa was called out to get their practice run at an insurgency. I am sure whoever is behind antifa learned lessons useful for their opening night performance of a real attempt at revolution. The media blamed right-wing agitators for the violence, of which there was none. We know actual right wing insurgents would have been met by SEAL team 6.

    There is a terrifying possibility: No one was behind FloydFest. It was a totally unorganized beginning of a real civil war that would have happened if mainstreamers got really scared or right wingers did more than watch Democratic cities burn, baby, burn.

    Someone, we do not know which someones, is building a irregular army, a militia if you will, in antifa. The progressive establishment has shown no interest in investigating this, though every “white nationalist” with a blog is a member of a shadowy international conspiracy, antifa is a hobby, like knitting. No one is in charge or strongly influences every knitting circle in the country, lol.

    During FloydFest organizations like Nature Publishing committed to putting blacks who are not smart enough in positions of real authority, not vice-president of Diversity. Also to publish articles by BIPOCs, regardless of how bad they are. Maybe this was all just Floydtalk, babe.

    Schools eliminated the SAT, so American higher ed will get the same reputation and results as K-12, which is also declining further as white children disappear.

    But the middle classes are going to lose jobs to India and the rest of the English-speaking third world. I read an article in the New Yorker about upper middle class+ using internet p-based businesses to connect with third world personal assistants who can do everything for them that a live personal assistant in meatspace could do online. Order plane tickets? Yes. Schedule a call? Uhhuh. Keep a planner? Yeppers peppers Tally receipts? If they are online or scanned, sure. Pick up the dry cleaning? No, but they could schedule an Uber. I’m sure 1 hour personal assistants, contractors who can be hired by online third world assistants to do fairly simple meatspace tasks will become a thing.

    Except, don’t interns in lots of companies do PA-like tasks? Don’t a bunch of peop,e in fashion, media, etc get their foot in the door as PAs? Is that only for ambitious midwesterners, and the scions of rich people get started other ways?

    This comment is too long.

    tl:dr Do you really trust the progressives who are in charge now to “reduce the fertility” of the people whose fertility needs to be reduced?

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    , @Alden
    , @Jack D
  166. Rob says:
    @Rosie

    To some extent that is true. They definitely use AA and workplace sexual harassment policies to prevent their underlings from pairing off and realizing they have common interests already, not to mention creating new ones, called babies.

    Within the pro-man class, they expect their daughters to have at least equal treatment as the boys. This is easy to do. Teachers already favor girls. They have for decades, and now they get to do it because men mistreated women hundreds of years ago. Also, girls are better students and mature earlier.

    [MORE]

    They really push their daughters in sports, especially soccer. I have heard of high school teams where every single girl had at least one ACL surgery! Though the parents do get the daughters surgery. More than I can say for my parents.

    The course of honors that the meritocrats’ children run? It’s not made easier for girls. If anything, they have to have better grades, better AP scores, decent (for their class) SAT scores. Boys are allowed a mistake in high school. Maybe several. Girls are not.

    But it’s harder for boys from that class. The SAT has been turned into an achievement test. There are no very near pure tests of intelligence accepted by colleges. I think if you tried to include your 134 IQ from a Raven’s Progressive Matrices test, the admissions committee would laugh at you, a eugenicist, applying to their school.

    Then there is college. Honors programs, internships, you better play at least an intramural sport. Even though sports are being conquered by blacks, companies still like to hire (white) athletes.

    The childhood of the pro-man class is not enviable. All that and they have to be well-rounded, an instrument, club, after school activities. I’m glad I graduated high school in 1996, before things got really crazy, I wanted to go to Reed, and got in. My dad was disappointed I didn’t get into UVa, but I was happy. If I hadn’t had a ruptured disc and a ruined psoas, I would have had a fantastic time and education. Especially if I had had ADHD treatment, Alas…

    The bad thing about pro-man childhood and college is that they don’t think they were handed or inherited their place in the class structure. They feel like they won a fair contest. Within the class, it was largely fair, but no one who had to have an after school and weekend job could compete in it. Colleges discriminate against (whites) whose after school activities involved church. The admissions committee response to a mission trip is “oh, another one…”

    Speaking of essays, that’s another unfair competition. You have to have parents connected to something to write about your science project that placed in the Intel Science Fair. Your dad got you that summer internship at The New York Times, they do give those to flyover rubes. The essays let schools more easily discriminate against non-privileged whites.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Jack D
  167. AndrewR says:
    @Rob

    Antifa is a fully owned and operated subsidiary of the system, but most (probably not all) of them are stupid and insane enough to think the system is against them and for “racist” “fascists.”

    As long as the system can keep food on people’s tables, especially cops and military, then no significant opposition to it can arise. This is especially true in the atomized, panopticon dystopia we are rapidly descending into

    • Agree: Rob
  168. Knowledgeable people in his field re-named Gould’s “Punctuated Equilibrium” theory (which involved infrequent large evolutionary changes) to “Evolution by Jerks.”

  169. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The difference is that “our” leaders – supposedly the best and brightest of the bunch are actually inviting the dross in.

    Cockroaches rats, mice etc generally invite themselves in.

  170. indocon says:
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Bush family will go down as ultimate traitors

  171. He dealt with the obvious danger to his system posed by foreign freeloaders ..

    The growing number of foreign-born freeloaders must still be small compared to the number of native-born, tax leeches. The problem is not that too many leeches are coming in. It’s that few of them are leaving.

  172. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    In the epochal battle the 21st century will prove to be between the Woke and the Ummah, perhaps we should side with the Ummah.

    • LOL: Dieter Kief
  173. Rob says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    What happened was that I hit Post, saw I didn’t do a More tag, copied the comment, then deleted the next and hit, oh, whatever cancels it, Save with a blank box? Anyway, realized I didn’t know which comment I was replying to, so I hit No (or whatever) when it asked me if I wanted to delete the comment.

    Then I hit the Anonymous link to get the comment number. After that I tried to delete the comment, to redo with a More tag, but Ron Unz (cursive be his name!) would not let me delete it! Sorry to make a short story long.

    Thanks for the compliment, I like writing, but am mostly a reactive thinker, and blogs are in decline, anyway. No way would anyone pay to read me on substack.

    I remember when iSteve had more long, insightful comments, like yours and AnotherDad’s. Now there are lots of links to songs and other youtube vids.

  174. Alden says:
    @Dieter Kief

    And what exactly what will the immigrants do?

    Probably go to a government building be given a broom or one of those trash picker up sticks and loiter around for several hours. The men will use the time to spot White rape victims, women girls and boys to follow home and rape.

    On the wonderful common good buses they will rob and beat Whites while coming and going to their loitering assignments.

    Ridership on the SF Bay Area Bart subway system is way down. Because people are afraid to ride it because of the endless mugging. Just a few years ago the attacks occurred mainly in the Black Plague ingested east bay or Oakland Richmond Pittsburgh lines. MARTA moving Africans through Atlanta, Chicago NYC Philadelphia every city’s public transit is being destroyed by the Black Plague.

    Now the blacks ride Bart all over and attack non blacks at will. The Bart police have disappeared.

  175. Alden says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Ummm most of the MEN OF UNZ totally disapprove of not just abortion but even birth control.
    Most of the MEN OF UNZ blame all the problems of the world on the year 1960, when the birth control pill was approved by the FDA. The MEN OF UNZ hate the birth control pill and IUDs far more than other birth control methods because they are the most effective methods. Strangely, they preach big families but have 0-2 kids because they can’t afford more. Strange these MEN OF UNZ.

    If you favor sustainable populations, you’re not a MAN OF UNZ.

  176. Alden says:
    @S. Anonyia

    The MEN OF UNZ are mostly 60 to 90 year olds who grew up thinking that all women look like the Playmates of the month they saw in Playboy Magazine.

    At age 13 they didn’t realize the Playboy models were selected from thousands of women who submitted application photos. And then were tanned, groomed and spent hours being made up and carefully posed to look as good as possible. Some of the Playmate of the month photos took 8 to 10 days and thousands of photos to select the perfect picture. And the selected photo was carefully airbrushed to perfection.

    Strange, very strange these MEN OF UNZ.

  177. The analysis is excellent just like the article about orthodox liberal thinkers and malevolent insanity.

  178. Or would enforcing our various state laws against cousin marriage be eugenics and discriminatory against Afghans and their right to move here and avail themselves of our tax dollars?

    Sadly, such concerns cannot be at the top of the list. Child brides and polygamy are even more important and non-PC problems.

  179. @Dieter Kief

    While this appears to be a reasonable approach, experience from Germany indicates it will lead to business interests complaining about ‘statist’ competition which, in turn, will result in either
    – unproductive penalizing make-work or,
    – an influx of cheap labor for businesses to profit from leading to increased wage depression.
    Some people may think of either as a good outcome.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  180. @S. Anonyia

    “She just looks like a grown-up version of a standard sorority girl from a good university”

    Interesting topic – are intelligent girls prettier (on average) than their less bright sisters? You could theorise that wealthier men attract prettier wives.

    What first attracted you to the millionaire Paul Daniels?” as Mrs Merton asked the blonde and leggy Debbie McGee.

    I note at the private school gates an excess of blonde mums collecting their offspring, and visiting hospitalised elderly relatives there are some striking junior doctors.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Jack D
  181. Jack D says:
    @Rob

    In Animal House, the dean tells one of the boys, “Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.” Working class whites can kvetch about how they have gotten the short end of the stick and fantasize about how they will rule after the Zombie Apocalypse and when they elect a new RoboTrump Presidente for Life. But the markets are indifferent. The white working class is never going to be restored to the place that it held in the 1950s, when Detroit made 80% of the automobiles in the world and blue collar jobs were unionized. As you say, the working classes have been mostly emptied of the intelligent anyway, at least in the book smart sense. Anyone born in some coal town with any brains gets the hell out – they go off to college and never come back.

    Are there government policies that could make things better? Sure, sealing off immigration would be good. Sealing off imports would also be good. Turning off the internet connection to the world and the phone lines so that Amazon can’t put the call center in India. Outlaw Amazon altogether so that the guys at the Sears Roebuck and the bookstore can get their retail jobs back again. Make America North Korea!

    I don’t see this as a path forward. The world has changed. If you are like a koala bear who eats only eucalyptus leaves and the eucalyptus trees have all died, then you are going to be really screwed. You need to be more adaptable, like a rat. Rats are not evolved to live in subways or eat pizza but if life gives them pizza, they make the most of it and don’t mourn about how it used to be in the old days when they lived in the barn and ate grain. Rats don’t plot the restoration of the ancien regime. Be a rat, not a koala.

    While it’s true that the remaining blue collar whites are not the sharpest knives in the drawer, they have certain skills. They tend to be “good with their hands”. Make the most of your strengths. Find some niche for yourself in the modern world. Stay away from drugs and alcohol.

    • Replies: @profnasty
    , @epebble
  182. profnasty says:
    @Jack D

    “Dull” blue collar Whites are sharper than ‘Affirmative Action” Blacks.
    Proven by ‘Affirmative action’.
    Get it?
    I knew you would.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  183. RSDB says:
    @Twinkie

    Courageous? Nothing says courage like comparing that icky racist Charles Murray to Satan and then asking the interviewer not to print it.

    I don’t think that is what she is doing, because, for one thing, I don’t think the New Yorker would have printed in a puff piece something she explicitly wanted not printed, and she seems to have raised no objection.

    She wishes to say that she is tempted– fine, the analogy springing to mind is the biblical temptation of Christ by Satan. This involves casting Murray in the role of Satan and herself in the role of Christ, but she wishes to clarify that Murray is not, in fact, Satan (though she is curiously quiet about herself and Our Lord) and so asks the interviewer not to give the impression that she is comparing Murray to Satan (which she is, or at least his writings, but not in such a way as to imply identity).

    This is a very loose use of language on her part, but I don’t think it is a strained interpretation on my part.

    For instance, one can imagine a woman trying to lose weight, on being offered a choice of desserts by a waiter, saying that she feels like Christ being tempted by the devil to change stones into bread to satisfy His hunger, and then clarifying to the waiter that she is not, of course, comparing him to Satan. It would be strictly untrue and rather silly but the waiter would get her meaning.

    [MORE]

    This was an incredibly trivial point but I have a mind for the trivial and useless.

    I found your comments on the Taliban very interesting and if you don’t mind and if that thread stays open I may write back on it; not that I have much to say, but I think there are a few (again, largely trivial) things I haven’t seen mentioned already.

    For instance, I think Mr. Karlin’s own points were generally well-made, but I can’t follow him in following Mr. Thompson’s IQ focus in this case, even in the weakened form he adopts. I have seen IQ estimates for India, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka all lower than that given for Afghanistan, and all these countries maintain a functioning air force and navy, and this in the case of Sri Lanka with about half the population of Afghanistan. And the British generally found Pathans could make good (if “mercurial”) soldiers– the quotation is from Battle Tales from Burma, the author of which commanded a Pathan company (iirc) in the Baloch Regiment in WWII.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  184. Rosie says:
    @Rob

    I agree with almost everything you say, here, though I note that these are mostly, as I said, class issues. I have said elsewhere that parents of boys should seriously consider holding their boys back a grade if they are close to the age cutoff for starting school. After the Restoration, her Imperial Majesty Queen Rosie I will set the age requirement for boys six months later than for girls to correct for boys’ slower maturation.

    I don’t agree with you about AA and sexual harassment policies. AA is certainly objectionable, but not because it prevents people from pairing off. If anything, I would expect it to have the opposite effect.

    Nor is sexual harassment policy an antimarriage conspiracy. It is absolutely necessary for the dignity of the working and middle classes, men and women alike. There are problems, I am sure, with its implementation. Namely, liability-aversion in business. I fear that there is a tendency to just get rid of people to avoid trouble. Rehabilitation should be the first resort, with progressive discipline thereafter, and severe consequences only in egregious cases where lesser measures have failed.

    On the other side of the spectrum, you have men who are untouchable because the employer cannot do without the offender. The tail wags the dog, as in the case of rainmaker creeps.

    https://womensagenda.com.au/latest/when-rainmakers-get-promoted-despite-their-record-of-sexual-harassment/

    I 100% agree with you about pro-man childhood. It is a disaster and likely to produce a whole generation of reptilian psychopaths to rule over us. (I also like your neologism “pro-man. I hope it catches on. Come to think of it, I like you. I’ll take notice of your comments from now on.)

  185. res says:
    @Rob

    I think the reaction to that would be similar to the reaction to research looking at criminal faces.
    https://www.wired.com/2016/11/put-away-your-machine-learning-hammer-criminality-is-not-a-nail/
    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53165286

    Most GWAS IQ studies have been performed with very noisy non-full scale IQ tests, right? Like, they’ve got spit from 10,000 people who each took a ten item IQ test? Or are they done with better data these days, I do not keep up,

    It varies. Most often they just use EA (Educational Attainment) as a proxy. For instance, see discussion above of the recent 3 million sample size EA4 GWAS by James Lee et al.

    The UK Biobank uses a 5 minute touchscreen assessment (with further testing for some), but it sounds pretty decent.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7170235/

    At baseline, almost all participants completed the Pairs Memory test, a test of visual memory, and the Reaction Time test, a measure of processing speed. Subsamples also completed tests of working memory (Numeric Memory test), prospective memory (Prospective Memory), and verbal and numerical reasoning (Fluid Intelligence) [1]. This test battery, excluding Numeric Memory, was then administered again at the repeat visit that re-tested 20,000 people. Subsequently, more detailed measures of cognitive function assessing cognitive domains known to decline with increasing age [2] were introduced at the imaging study. The new tests included tests of verbal declarative memory, executive function, and non-verbal reasoning. To estimate prior cognitive functioning, a measure of vocabulary was also included, which tends to remain relatively stable across the age range assessed in UK Biobank [2]. More information on the cognitive tests and domains assessed at each UK Biobank assessment are reported in S1 File (S1 Table).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  186. LP5 says:
    @Anonymous

    Gould needed a better publicist. He would’ve been a good candidate for an academic version of a band venue contract.

    Should he have had clauses prohibiting photographs showing consumption of escargot, along with removal green M&Ms, with inclusion of bottled water and a selection of cold cuts?

    Or maybe a celebrity cookbook and adjoining puff piece in some New York publication comparing and contrasting lifestyles with Jay Gould? Now that guy knew how to party.

  187. res says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Selective quoting becomes tiresome very quickly. Is it really so hard to include sufficient context to capture what I really said/meant?

    a valuable voice for reason (to the extent she is willing to voice it)

    In any case, thanks for the link. It adds to the conversation.

    Worth clarifying that the opening quote is from Turkheimer. Only the tweet is from Harden.

    Turkheimer’s quote is very interesting in that he asserts:

    The radical scientific left is — obviously — entitled to its views, and in this increasingly biogenetic era their implacable opposition is often a very necessary tonic. I expect to continue to stand with them, albeit slightly to their right

    While the other extreme is clearly beyond the pale to him.

    A simple statement of my view would be that Harden is preferable to Turkheimer. This was made clear during the 2017 kerfuffle.

    Emil has more to say about Turkheimer.
    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/tag/eric-turkheimer/

  188. res says:
    @Anonymous

    Sloppy language on my part. Thanks for the correction. The phrase I should have used was SNP genotyping.

  189. Jack D says:
    @Rob

    Speaking of essays, that’s another unfair competition. You have to have parents connected to something to write about your science project that placed in the Intel Science Fair.

    The whole essay thing applies mostly to a handful of private universities that all the rich people on the coasts want their kids to go to for bragging rights. Maybe if you want to be an apparatchik at the highest reaches of the Permanent Government or a Wall Street drone, it’s necessary to attend one of those schools. But say you are a guy from flyover country who wants to be an engineer or a scientist – you don’t need to compete with the entire population of Asia to get into MIT or Stanford . There is a perfectly fine engineering or scientific education waiting for you at your state’s flagship or technical university. Purdue, Georgia Tech, Illinois Urbana, Texas A&M – these are all absolutely first rate schools (and the tuition for people in state is MUCH lower than for private universities). These places get tens of thousands of applications and usually don’t have time to read essays at all. Do you really want your kids going to the same schools as those ridiculous narcissists who were bribing the coaches as USC? Just forget that whole rat race.

  190. res says:
    @Anonymous

    theory of “punctuated equilibrium” which never made much sense and is now widely (in the narrow circles of the specialists) considered wrong.

    Could you elaborate on that? My sense is the truth of it depends heavily on how extreme a version is presented (and since Gould wasn’t very quantitative…).

    I find it quite plausible that evolution is a relatively slow and steady process with brief interludes of more rapid change in response to major environmental changes (either external or self generated, for the latter say things like migration or new technology) or significant enabling genetic changes (say humans gaining the physical capability for intelligible speech).

    Do you disagree with that? What do you recommend as a good statement of current beliefs?

    P.S. I don’t find the right/wrong (often false) dichotomy illuminating when discussing phenomena which clearly occur along a continuum.

  191. Anonymous[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I assume you’re talking about Christians here. However there are lots of Christians on Team Blue as well. I wouldn’t necessarily equate the Right with Christianity.

  192. epebble says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    It has also come to 200 other countries that did not have 1965 Immigration Reform Act. Like, #2 deaths Brazil, #3 deaths India, #4 deaths Mexico.

  193. res says:
    @Twinkie

    Treading carefully =/= denouncing others who are more truthful.

    This is a key point. Harden was coauthor of the 2017 Vox piece which threw Murray under the bus. But most of the Murray bashing in the New Yorker piece is from Turkheimer and Garity. This seems like the most relevant part of Harden v. Murray in the New Yorker piece.

    Last summer, an anonymous intermediary proposed to Harris and Harden that they address their unresolved issues. Harden appeared on Harris’s podcast, and patiently explained why Murray’s speculation was dangerously out in front of the science. At the moment, technical and methodological challenges, as well as the persistent effects of an unequal environment, would make it impossible to conduct an experiment to test Murray’s idly incendiary hypotheses. She refused to grant that his provocations were innocent: “I don’t disagree with you about insisting on intellectual honesty, but I think of it as ‘both/and’—I think that that value is very important, but I also find it very important to listen to people when they say, ‘I’m worried about how this idea might be used to harm me or my family or my neighborhood or my group.’ ” (Harris declined to comment on the record for this piece.) As she once put it in an essay, “There is a middle ground between ‘let’s never talk about genes and pretend cognitive ability doesn’t exist’ and ‘let’s just ask some questions that pander to a virulent on-line community populated by racists with swastikas in their Twitter bios.’ ”

    This exchange adds some context, I am sure there is more if one wants to look.

    If anyone has specific examples (post-2017 Vox article, which has been discussed enough) of Harden lying and/or denouncing specific others (I get that she loves denouncing strawmen racists) I would be interested. It is hard to keep straight exactly what who said about whom.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  194. @Buzz Mohawk

    Exactly. You don’t have to be smart to know who is paying your salary. From what I’ve gathered, rumors spread like wildfire in Kabul in the days before the Taliban took over. By August 15th hysteria gripped the city and whoever could rushed the airport. Then came in the MSM and the first casualty was truth.

    The Taliban are letting Americans out. There was never a hostage crisis. No one has to like the TB to acknowledge that they’re being the rational actors here, probably under Chinese tutelage.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  195. epebble says:
    @Jack D

    Post 1950’s economy, under the forces of technology, globalization and immigration (Microchip, Containership, 747 revolution) has moved Right on the Bell curve. A look at the Dow Jones components reveals this Creative Destruction. Unfortunately, the Creation is mostly on the Right side of the Bell Curve and Destruction is on the Left side of the Bell Curve.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_components_of_the_Dow_Jones_Industrial_Average#July_3,_1956

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_components_of_the_Dow_Jones_Industrial_Average#January_27,_2003

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_components_of_the_Dow_Jones_Industrial_Average#August_31,_2020

    • Replies: @Jack D
  196. @J.Ross

    I don’t want Elvis Costello songs to be predictive because I am an integer divisible past a pair.

    Their aim isn’t true. Besides, what’s so funny about peace, love, and understanding?

    (Sorry for the attempt at Lowe humour.)

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  197. Jack D says:
    @Paperback Writer

    I don’t think that the Chinese have much to do with it. Pig eating infidels are not really the Taliban’s cup of tea.

    Some of the Taliban have spent time in other parts of the world in the last 20 years, including more sophisticated yet Moslem cultures such as Qatar so they may have gotten some inkling that Islam is not 100% incompatible with some aspects of modernity. Airplanes are not un-Islamic. They are also interested in maintaining the flow of Western aid to some extent, of maintaining domestic peace and not having people starve. The Americans paid for some infrastructure and they’d like to maintain that and realize that they need to keep more educated Afghan specialists from fleeing. This describe (at least some) of the top Taliban leadership.

    Others are thugs and religious fanatics who would rather save your soul than your body (of course they want to keep THEIR soul and body together in one piece) like the imams in Saudi Arabia who locked the doors on a burning school so that the girls inside wouldn’t be seen in public in immodest dress.

    We’ll see which faction prevails but there are at least some Taliban who realize that they did it wrong the last time and now that they have a second chance want to take a slightly different approach. For example, the Western media was all up in arms that they had now put a curtain down the middle of Afghan university classrooms and now the men sit on the left side and the women sit on the right – oh the horror! Well the last time they ruled they just didn’t allow women to attend school (not college, school of any kind) period. So this seems like an evolution and actually a pretty reasonable compromise to me. Maybe guys will pay more attention to the professor if they are not eyeing the sexy babe sitting next to them (and vice versa). But of course to Western feminists it’s an atrocity.

  198. Twinkie says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    are intelligent girls prettier (on average) than their less bright sisters?

    I think results are disputed, but what little research there is on the topic seems to suggest that there is a modest correlations between attractiveness and intelligence.

    There are also, of course, non-genetic explanations such as nutrition, style, etc.

    Women who have had rough lives (e.g. alcohol abuse, cigarette addiction, etc.) tend to age badly, in general.

    My two houses are located in a “super zip” and Appalachia, respectively, and the appearances of women in each area are stunningly different. The super zip has women who are well-educated (well-credentialed anyway), slim, and attractive. The women in Appalachia are invariably obese and rough-looking. The three things I note right away are differences bodyweight, skin quality, and teeth, setting aside clothing style, of course.

    Watching girls (and youngsters in general) develop into women (and men) and noting the differences in the two areas over, say, a decade has been quite illuminating. It’s another reason why I have become a nationalist, increasingly, and have forsaken conservatism, because “conservatives” at least at the national level have clearly abandoned their fellow Americans in the downscale areas and have been complicit in their immiseration.

    • Replies: @res
  199. Twinkie says:
    @res

    I get that she loves denouncing strawmen racists

    At this point, she doesn’t even have to mention anyone specifically by name. She just needs to keep beating the dead horse (or dead strawmen) and the interviewers will supply the names (e.g. Charles Murray, etc.) for the readers. She clearly does not object.

  200. Twinkie says:
    @RSDB

    This involves casting Murray in the role of Satan and herself in the role of Christ, but she wishes to clarify that Murray is not, in fact, Satan (though she is curiously quiet about herself and Our Lord) and so asks the interviewer not to give the impression that she is comparing Murray to Satan (which she is, or at least his writings, but not in such a way as to imply identity).

    That is just garden-variety (and quite superficial) sophistry on her part.

    The intent of the comparison is quite clear as you point out – she is the self-casted noble one and Murray is the evil racist (or somebody who aids and abets evil racists by using his data “carelessly”).

  201. @Fluesterwitz

    I find it interesting to see what will actually be done in Denmark. – Maybe Peter Lund can tell us what’s up in a year or so. The Austrian press is much more willing to report on such Danish events than the German one. – Thank god, Mette Frederiksen is a ) a woman and b) a Social Democrat – if she were a right-wing male politician, the EU would go after her as it does with Hungary and Poland.

  202. TWS says:
    @S. Anonyia

    She is a solid five or six. Maybe. But most young women who take care of themselves are.

  203. @Alden

    I knew a kid who was assaulted, but not badly injured, at a BART station. Mom heard about it and called 9-1-1. The bureaucrat dispatcher wouldn’t even notify the BART cops.

    A few years ago it was revealed that some BART janitor was making \$300K (including OT). There was also a story about a BART janitor sleeping-off his shift in a broom closet (not sure if it was the same guy).

    Due to term limits, CA career politicians (the rule) necessarily have to bounce around laterally from office to office (while they await their opportunity to move up). Some ultra-left winger who TL’d out of SF city council will get elected to represent the district (city) on the BART board. (As if where someone lives ables him to run a railroad.)

    The last time I was at a BART station (it was near a commercial center) was a few months ago, during rush hour. The place was deserted. The PA system looped about suspicious persons. There was a bus station next door. The buses were coming and going empty, except for the masked driver.

  204. Jack D says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The conventional wisdom is that beautiful women tend to be dumb: “the dumb blonde”.

    You could theorise that wealthier men attract prettier wives.

    God likes to play little tricks on people. Sometimes when a wealthy man marries a pretty (but dumb) wife, his sons come out dumb like his wife and his daughters come out ugly like him.

    My theory is that both beauty and high intelligence are rare traits and they are not highly correlated with each other. Therefore people who have BOTH are even rarer. If 1 person in 100 is at the 99th percentile in intelligence (by definition) and person in 100 is at the 99th percentile in beauty, then 1 person in 10,000 is going to be at the 99th percentile in both.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  205. Jack D says:
    @profnasty

    At the below 85 IQ level, there is more or less 1 dumb white person for every dumb black person. The IQ shift is balanced out by the 5x greater # of white people.

  206. Jack D says:
    @epebble

    I agree and this has reduced the relative bargaining power and income of those on the left side of the curve, thus the many unhappy blue collar whites.

  207. res says:
    @Twinkie

    I think results are disputed, but what little research there is on the topic seems to suggest that there is a modest correlations between attractiveness and intelligence.

    There are also, of course, non-genetic explanations such as nutrition, style, etc.

    That sounds right to me. Intelligence tends to correlate with good things.
    A combined analysis of genetically correlated traits identifies 187 loci and a role for neurogenesis and myelination in intelligence
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41380-017-0001-5

    The system integrity hypothesis is one possible explanation for this sort of correlation.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_epidemiology#System_integrity_hypothesis_vs_evolution_hypothesis

    The three things I note right away are differences bodyweight, skin quality, and teeth, setting aside clothing style, of course.

    Watching girls (and youngsters in general) develop into women (and men) and noting the differences in the two areas over, say, a decade has been quite illuminating.

    I see some of that in different facets of my life, but I doubt the contrast is as stark as in your examples.

    Has anybody taken a sympathetic look at that in print? It seems like something well meaning leftists could understand (how big of a subset actually means well beyond virtue signalling?). At least if they were able to get past their hatred of rural whites.

  208. @epebble

    You didn’t answer the question…but the correct answer is China….Two demographers figured this out by analyzing airline passenger lists coming in to US and how it correlates with the early hotspots in the corona pandemic in the US….Tucker Carlson has been interviewing that Wuhan Virus Scientists and she told Tucker:travellers from China……

    Everyone knows Chinese LEGAL IMMIGRANTS brought the Wuhan Virus to America…Everyone is afraid to talk about this obvious fact….THE PASSAGE OF THE 1965 NONWHITE LEGAL IMMIGRANT INCREASE ACT…

    • Replies: @epebble
  209. Corvinus says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “But now the left’s intellectual pacesetters are instead minds like Florida A&M African American Studies and Magazine Production double major Ibram X. Kendi, crank amateur historian Nikole Hannah-Jones, ed school prole prof Robin DiAngelo, and Fleet Street hack Angela Saini.“

    You mean a subset on the left have deemed these “intellectuals” as their go to people, which in turn you believe represents the left in its entirety. In that way, you are able to frame your narrative.

  210. Tom Grey says: • Website

    Steve, You continue to do great, brief, clear work.
    With too much truth for the liars, but maybe a bit too much snark for the boot-licking careerists who most determine who gets publicity.

    After the hated (by the P Correct ) Charles Murray, I consider you the best IQ researcher. But you’re even more unmentionable than Murray.

    Another worth reading is Razib Khan & his review:
    https://unherd.com/2021/07/do-genes-determine-intelligence/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups%5B0%5D=18743&tl_period_type=3&mc_cid=52bf39adf2

    And I like Freddie despite so many disagreements on policies, he seems honestly looking for truth:
    https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/genes-believe-in-you
    He even thinks the Left should start being more honest on IQ – I’m also ordering his book, The Cult of Smart.
    Where and when can I order yours?

  211. jamie b. says:
    @Dogstar

    NPR has always ignored gen. X. It has now leap-frogged past them altogether, and is including loads of material catering to the more hip-hop crowd.

  212. @RichardTaylor

    When Japanese Americans took “their own side” during world war 2, murdering several white Americans in Hawaii and aiding the Japanese military by acting as scouts for their bombing of Pearl Harbor, the result was the imprisoning in internment camps of thousands of their fellow Japanese Americans. Those disloyal Japanese Americans actually showed one of the great drawbacks of members of a minority race taking “their own side” against the majority race within a nation. Jewish Americans who take “their own side” (most of them do this) against white Americans are treated much more gently, though, for a number of reasons. But if Jewish Americans were treated like Japanese Americans, they would be in interment camps right now.

  213. jamie b. says:
    @MEH 0910

    Race is not genetic.

    Disappointing, but most people can only afford to fight one battle at a time.

    • Agree: bomag
  214. @Jack D

    you don’t need to compete with the entire population of Asia to get into MIT or Stanford

    This is too true, and is becoming ever more the case.

    As discussed over on the 538 thread, the reputations of the big US state universities seem to be dropping in the eyes of Asian tiger parents. The famous private universities do market over here, even though they really don’t need to, and generally do a good job of it. And since international students by definition can’t get in-state tuition breaks, the difference in sticker price is not that great between the big state schools and the famous privates, so there are huge numbers of applications from outstanding Asian students pouring into both first- and, increasingly, second-tier private universities’ admissions offices.

    As I’ve noted before, however, some of the more wiley and cost-conscious Hong Kong parents will send their kids to a community college for a couple of years at low cost, and then count on the kid being able to transfer to that state’s flagship university (or at least a good one, in the case of states such as CA) to finish up a degree. It’s not glamorous: the kid has to be dutiful and study hard while often with living with an auntie or other relative, all while his high school friends are partying in other colleges’ freshman dorms. But then, given the personalities and temperaments of typical Asian students, quite a few of them will only be pretending to be partying anyway.

    • Replies: @Rob
  215. Anonymous[292] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    A little info on the Immigration Act of 1990:

    It was passed in the Senate with a veto-proof majority with only two states having both of their Senators vote against it. Those two states where both senators voted nay: ultra-conservative Alabama… and get ready for this one- California (for all those who are inclined to blame “nutty Californians” for their own state’s ruination think again).
    It did not pass the House with a veto-proof majority- therefore feckless cuck George HW Bush could have vetoed it.

    Someone should do some statistical estimates on the demographic effects of the 1990 Act alone. Sure the 1965 Act set the wheels in motion, but that came from liberal-Democrat-crook LBJ. In contrast, the 1990 Act was signed by an ostensibly “conservative” president for whom many Americans assumed was on “their side” and opposed to further advancing the Leftist Revolution that had started in the 60s under Johnson. That makes the latter Act all the more egregious.

  216. @Anonymous

    Al Gore voted against it. Back in 1990 Democrats were just as likely to oppose open borders as Republicans.
    A return to the 1965 immigration Act was reduce legal immigration back to 450,000 per year and eliminate the diversity visa. But no member of congress would support a rolling back the caps to below 900,000 today.

  217. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    there is one group of people dumber than blacks. psychology professors.

    sad.

  218. @Jack D

    Cindy Crawford was a chemical engineering major at Northwestern, but being a smart lady, figure out a more fun career path for herself.

  219. epebble says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    But even Non-immigrants from China would have brought the virus. Most of the airline travelers are not immigrants. Just folks going about for tour, business, studies etc., Secondly, if Chinese didn’t fly here, Italians who were first exposed to infected Chinese would have come here anyway as bulk of Covid infections are asymptomatic. Thirdly, plenty of Americans go to China too – for tour, business, work etc., and they would have brought back the virus asymptomatically. So, unless we become like North Korea, we can’t stop infections. And I don’t think there is a single American who wants us to become a hermit kingdom.

  220. @res

    “Most GWAS IQ studies have been performed with very noisy non-full scale IQ tests, right? Like, they’ve got spit from 10,000 people who each took a ten item IQ test? Or are they done with better data these days, I do not keep up,”

    The 7 digit sample size GWAS studies don’t use IQ tests at all. They often look at educational attainment because those are checkboxes that are common in many medical studies. To get to 7 digits sizes, you have to fit together multiple medical studies.

    On the other hand, the 10,000+ sample size Adolescent Brain Cognitive Development longitudinal database includes a large scale IQ test plus more obscure cognitive tests plus MRI brain scans plus DNA plus who knows all the other stuff.

  221. @Guy De Champlagne

    “And how high could you get the number by feeding it completely random data?”

    With a million person sample size and random data, you could explain 0.000% of the variance.

  222. Rob says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    You misunderstood Jack’s meaning in that sentence. What he meant was

    you don’t need to compete with the entire population of Asia [by competing] to get into MIT or Stanford[, you should apply to good public unis in STEM]

    I don’t know if he’s right, but the idea is not crazy. My guess is that if you do very well in, say, biochemistry, at Georgia Tech (i’m guessing a place. I dunno where for bio hem, really) you can probably work for a startup, find seed money for your own startup, or get started in a VC firm (maybe only a local one) reading business plans for startups. But B average at Georgia Tech or C average at MIT? My guess is it’s not applicable. I doubt MIT lets in guys who are only going to get a C average.

  223. bomag says:
    @MEH 0910

    From her posts: The prospect was alarming because biological conceptions of race have long been used to justify oppression.

    Well, Whites are getting stomped on plenty via biological conceptions but these rules of niceness don’t apply to those oppressors.

    But the physical characteristics that we use to lump people together into races are terrible indicators of how genetically similar those people are.

    This is running away from truth.

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
  224. @epebble

    And which “Americans” would those be?..The nonwhite ones who get to vote the Historic Native Born White American Majority into a violently persecuted White Racial Minority within the borders of America.

    Yes I prefer the “hermit” kingdom of a 90 percent White America…you seem to have a lot of antipathy to that America…perhaps you are from India…

    • Replies: @epebble
  225. @Jack D

    I don’t think that the Chinese have much to do with it. Pig eating infidels are not really the Taliban’s cup of tea.

    Do a little reading before you blab. The Chinese are running the show now.

  226. @Jack D

    Oh, the Taliban don’t want to deal with pig-eating furriners?

    Personally, I think this is just a troll, but still:

    https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2021-09-07/china-weighing-occupation-of-former-us-air-base-at-bagram-sources

    “Experts” (who have been wrong about everything) say China will be leery of investment:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/09/chinas-rumored-aims-to-dive-into-afghanistan-are-exaggerated-experts.html

    But the Taliban ain’t too proud to accept money from the pig-eating furriners:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/2/afghanistan-taliban-to-rely-on-chinese-money-spokesperson-says

    Like I said, Jack, do some reading before you shoot your overactive mouth off.

  227. MEH 0910 says:

    Robert VerBruggen:

  228. @Twinkie

    The nature-nurture debate has always been a straw man argument by the left. In reality it’s always been between people that argue environment is roughly 50% of behavior and those that argue it’s 100%. Even going back to Ruston, Wilson, Jensen et al.

    Somewhat related, but I’ve always wondered who will write a modern version of Race Evolution and Behavior and who will be the next A. Jensen etc. I don’t follow psychology, but my impression is that the current academic environment will no longer allow for this kind of dissent/crime think (even though a couple polls suggest that a majority of academics in the field agree that at least some of the Black-White IQ gap is genetic in origin).

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
  229. MEH 0910 says:

  230. epebble says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    which “Americans” would those be?.

    All the people who have to make iPhones, iPads, Laptops for HP, Dell etc., Big screen TVs, Auto parts,

    And those who want to sell all the stuff Hollywood makes (movies, TV shows, music…)

    You should watch the airplanes going to China, It is full of regular White Americans mostly. Plenty of them go for tourism too. In fact, many live there teaching, research, working etc., How do you think shiploads of stuff comes from China made exactly to your preferences? Who tells them which style of clothing, shoe, Handbag etc., designs will be in vogue Next year?

  231. Travis says:
    @res

    The vaccines have failed, but instead of admitting the falling efficacy of the vaccines the oligarchs and the politicians in charge who pushed these vaccines are blaming the vaccinated for the failing vaccines.

    More Americans have died from COVID in the first week of Sept. 2021 than the first week of Sept. 2020. So far in September CV deaths are 45% higher than last year when nobody was vaccinated

    Year – September
    2020- 7,243 deaths
    2021- 15,928 deaths

    hospitalization rate is also up from 29,112 on Sept. 8, 2020 to 99,065 Sept. 8, 2021

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/current-covid-patients-hospital?country=USA

    Instead of admitting that the vaccines did little to thwart the spread of CV they want to force all Americans to get vaccinated. I can see why the vaxxed are so fearful. The vaccines failed to prevent infection and hospitalizations. But forcing the rest if us to get vaccinated will not protect you. It will increase the risk of a new variant emerging which completely evades the vaccines.

    • Replies: @epebble
  232. @Paperback Writer

    Northern Afghanistan was a Tang 唐 (6 to 9 AD) Protectorate*.

    Very different then as the region was Buddhist and no more than a commerce area on the Silk Road.

    View post on imgur.com


    *meaning semi-autonomous and under the military protection of Tang, as tribal warfare in Inner Asia was ruthless

  233. MEH 0910 says:

  234. @bomag

    I partly agree, but some of her statements are also tiptoeing a bit closer to truth.

    “But the physical characteristics that we use to lump people together into races are terrible indicators of how genetically similar those people are.”

    How about genotyped samples placed into clusters by a statistical algorithm? Are these terrible indicators? She does not address that level of detail.

    It is Jesuitical rhetoric designed to tiptoe around crimethink while violating as few principles of scientific honesty as possible.

    Some psychologists used to actually believe this stuff — that there was no link between race and IQ. Now they just engage in clever and long-winded word games. Can that last long as a censorship strategy?

  235. @Anonymous Jew

    Rushton’s great book is seeping out slowly into the cannon of scientific knowledge. Everyone should read it. Ron Unz is a fan and cited it as one of the great books in psychology of its era. It can only be found in pdf format now since the cancel activists have driven it out of all the book distributers like Amazon. Ron Unz provides a pdf link.

  236. Danindc says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Is it really that witty? Seems sort of obvious.

  237. epebble says:
    @Travis

    That is not the correct way to analyze the impact of the vaccines. See the excess death graph:

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

    Excess deaths peaked in December ’20 – Jan ’21 in the 40+% range (excess death percentage). It came down to single digits by May. In August, it is again in the double digits. But at around 15%, it is still a third of 45%. If we didn’t have vaccines, we would be running around 4,000+ deaths a day. The statistic you cited would not have been 15,928 but more in the 30,000 range. Which also seems to match with around 50% full vaccinations we have. 50% fully vaccinated = 50% reduction in expected deaths.

  238. @rebel yell

    A lower IQ person can work for a higher IQ person, there is no shame in that. As Ayn Rand said, a person in NYC can earn living by standing in a room and pressing a button, as an elevator operator.

    Right, we no longer have elevator operators but high end buildings do have doorman and hotels have help, restaurants have waiters, air ports have porters, buildings have night watchmen, the postal service and the DMV employs millions.

    Such low status employment you lament. What is the condition of the low IQ person in North Korea, or South Africa or any less developed country? The person who cleans my house has air conditioning at home, owns her own car, gets better medical care than 99.99% of the human race, has a smart phone for communication and entertainment. They all participate in a small way in the stupendous productivity unleashed by capitalism, rule of law and freedom.

    You want to destroy all that just so the person who can only contribute a little value gets a bigger slice of nothing.

    • Replies: @rebel yell
  239. MEH 0910 says:

    Elliot Tucker-Drob Retweeted:

  240. @epebble

    Why were deaths and hospitalizations lower in August and September of 2020 when we had no vaccines and far fewer Americans with natural immunity ?

    It looks like the efficacy of the vaccines lasts only 5 -6 months. This is the reason Israel is mandating a third shot, the efficacy of the vaccines falls rapidly after 5 months. The double vaxxed are now considered not fully vaccinated in Israel.

    • Replies: @epebble
  241. @scrivener3

    I have no clue what you’re talking about.
    I’m saying a truck driver is not a person with no value. We need them to drive the truck. I’m saying driving the truck is useful employment for the truck driver, and it’s good for the nation for people to have useful employment. I’m also saying open borders flooding the country with cheap labor is bad for the truck driver and not good for the economy or the nation.
    Not sure why you think I am lamenting anything or why you think the existence of truck drivers will destroy our economy.

  242. epebble says:
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    In August and September 2020, the virus had not yet seeped into every nook and cranny of America. It started in April 2020 in NYC and Westcoast and spread somewhat slowly during the summer months. Especially, the low traffic rural and “Flyover” country was spared. By Fall/Winter, the virus had diffused more or less completely into every community and no place was spared because it was too remote or lightly trafficked. And yes, the efficacy of the vaccines seems to go down after 6 months or so, especially in the 65+ demographic. In many respects, Covid is behaving like Influenza, except that Covid is a Tiger while Influenza is a Cat.

  243. MEH 0910 says:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/sep/12/kathryn-paige-harden-psychologist-genetics-education-school


    [MORE]

    You have been accused of promoting eugenics, including by prominent sociologist Ruha Benjamin, who has written that you are engaging in “savvy slippage between genetic and environmental factors that would make the founders of eugenics proud”.

    Those fears are coming out of a very real place – historically, genetics has been misused. But [eugenics] is literally the opposite of what I’m advocating. The core idea of eugenics is that there is a hierarchy of people who are inferior or superior that is rooted in biology and that inequalities are justified on that basis. Mine is an anti-eugenics approach seeking to use our knowledge of genetic science to build policies and social interventions that create more social equality. Sweeping genetic differences between people under the rug does not make the genome, as a systemic force causing inequality, go away. That genetic and environmental factors are braided together at every level is simply a description of reality.

  244. Twinkie says:
    @res

    Perhaps best viewed as falling back from an overextended position to a more defensible line?

    Harden says as much.

  245. MEH 0910 says:


    [MORE]

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  246. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

    Amy Harmon Retweeted:

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